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From the New York Times:
Immigrants Shouldn’t Have to Be ‘Talented’ to Be Welcome
Masha Gessen SEPT. 6, 2017
… As long as politicians consider it necessary to qualify the victims as “hardworking” or “talented,” they fail to stand up to the administration’s fundamentally hateful immigration agenda.
… It’s not immigrants’ economic contribution that makes America proud; it’s its adherence to the words inscribed inside the base of the Statue of Liberty: “Give me your tired, your poor/your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” — from the Emma Lazarus poem that the White House adviser Stephen Miller waved away last month during a news conference on immigration reform.
Somebody really should grind that damn poem off the plinth….
Does this apply yo Israel as well? Their wall is pretty racist.
One more statue that must come down due to the pernicious messages that it sends.
What is a man, who has live his life in a war zone, who has little education and no useful skills, to do with himself when he is suddenly transplanted into an industrialized first world nation? What possible vocation is there for him, when all he really knows about is violence and fighting?
He makes a living in crime. There is nothing else he can do.
but I can’t find this amendment in the Constitution
I wonder if she even knows that.
It's a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Hatred for anything Trump suggests is the problem here.
OT: did anyone see this magisterial propaganda piece in the NYT magazine:
Are Many of Our Fellow Citizens ‘Nazis?’
I Scott Adams can eat his hat as the Trump Nazi meme hasn't really gone away as predicted.
Hey, one politician and bureaucrat after another is busy tearing down Confederate symbols without the slightest pretext of consent from his constituents. Trump should do the same to the poem. When asked who gave him the right he should refer back to the mayor of Madison and the president of Duke. He could then add that the problem with the poem is that it has completely distracted from the original meaning of the statue, which was a gift from the people of France, not from Emma Lazarus.
Hey Yo! We built the pedestal, we hired Emma Lazarus to write a poem for the pedestal's dedication, and we put the damn plaque on our pedestal because we like that way. I don't know what the deal is with the big green statue but no Frenchies involved in the pedestal.
Another reminder that NYT contributor Masha Gessen believes the institution of marriage should not exist and that fighting for gay marriage is a means to achieve that end.
Listen to an audio recording of her plans for the future and what families will look like.
It’s unreal that a person with such extreme views is given a prominent position at the NYT.
bored identity learned from an old ’90s issue of Granta how Masha’s Babushka was Koba’s Willing Censorship Executioner.
Fellow Sailerites, let’s stop pretending – you don’t need talent, or hard work if you share & adhere evolutionary strategy with locusts, leeches, and frog free- riding scorpions.
You’re all welcome.
Well, if it ain’t my country anymore, then it ain’t my statue anymore either.
So f**k it. And f**k that stupid poem too.
Gee, I didn’t know Bartholdi climbed inside the base with a Dremel and inscribed the Lazarus poem right into the copper!
Ya learn somethin’ every day when ya read the New York Times!
(At least to this goyishe kop, “inscribed inside the base” sounds a lot like “engraved” there by the artist. Ya know, like it was original or something…)
She might as well have added ‘or good-looking’. That would better serve her agenda, as she is both ugly and untalented.
I at least will give Gessen credit for not even pretending to support limits on immigration, and apparently not for any country at all. In her view all 6 billion Third Worlders have the right to move to any country they damn well please. At least she’s honest about it.
The more dishonest (lying sack of shit) variety is the kind that says ‘We can’t deport the DACA “kids” because it would be cruel to send people who have lived here for decades, since they were little children, back to their home countries.’
Ask these people if they support deporting illegals who have lived here for a year, or who came here as adults. No they wouldn’t.
Ask them if, to avoid this horrific cruelty, they would support an old school sort of political compromise (i.e., amnesty for the DACA recipients in exchange for, say, a wall, a doubling of ICE’s budget, and elimination of birthright citizenship – a fair bargain given that we’re talking about almost a million newly legalized residents). No, they wouldn’t – not even to prevent this “horrific cruelty,”
Ergo, the fact that these illegals have been here since childhood has jack shit to do with their support for DACA. It’s just a useful argument to make to fool voters into supporting their plan.
In comparison to all that Gessen’s candor, batshit crazy though it may be, is actually quite refreshing.
DeBlasio would ape George Wallace’s “stand in the schoolhouse door”, should that happen.
If nothing else, I smell a Nick Cage movie in there.
Back in the 70s and 80s, the Cubans unloaded some of their crazies onto America. I wonder if the Soviets did the same thing with some of their nutty Jews.
http://fair.org/extra/harvards-best-and-brightest-aided-russias-economic-ruin/Harvard Mafia, Andrei Shleifer and the economic rape of Russia
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtmlWhy Larry Summers lost the presidency of Harvard | mathbabe
https://mathbabe.org/2012/03/11/why-larry-summers-lost-the-presidency-of-harvard/Of course there are other nutty jews that we offloaded on the poor Russians. Russia - the biggest robbery of the twentieth century
https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?t=20332
Well, of course, that depends on what you mean by “Talented”:
It’s called the IMILF Visa. If that’s not “sending their best”, I’m OK with it.
Listen to an audio recording of her plans for the future and what families will look like.
It's unreal that a person with such extreme views is given a prominent position at the NYT.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Verymuchalive, @Yada yada
Oh, it is all too real, anonymous. Steve Sailer’s been reading this garbage for a number of years for us. Someone’s gotta do it.
That’s true, but her girlfriend is good looking.
It's of course because they feel the left are the ones who are accepting of them, but a more rational assessment of the forest and not the trees would see that supporting the left is overall far worse for them.
Many gays are white, but the left pushes to oppress whites. Whites have been the most tolerant of gays. If there is a NAM world, it will not excuse them on grounds that they were left supporters.
They are often productive workers, but the left would tax them and give it to those who are lazy.
The left is in favor of bringing in Muslims who are virulently anti-gay.
The list goes on and on.
Gessen could be passable, too, if she stopped trying to look like Bob Dylan.
Anyone who goes out of their way to look unattractive has something wrong with them, regardless of their sexual orientation. If this were recognized more generally, poisonous underminers like Gessen would have less influence.
In case it comes up, Masha Gessen, like Linda Sarsour, isn’t white. (#110)
In other news, I keep seeing over and over again the word “humanity” used as some numinous intonation. As if to be called “human” is automatically a sacred compliment.
Gessen:
I accept that Masha Gessen is identifiably human. She is also evil and ugly and there are many like her, in different forms. But all human. Such human gargoyles should at least be thankful for current magnanimous ‘humane’ protection by way of negative rights against direct harm from their natural betters. Keep pushing for outrageous positive rights for undeserving ilk and be decimated as in the past.
Humanity? People? I’ll need more information than that. Show me exactly who you’re talking about. Trespassers have homelands. They have to go back.
Trump is caving on immigration. So we no longer have our standard-bearer and these articles are not so amusing.
Picture Trump/Ivanka nodding their heads in agreement during a sit down with Masha at the whitehouse.
Bannon warned us all!
I don't have to. I do know that blood is thicker than water. Ivanka has a built-in advantage over any other Trump advisor -- she's daddy's little girl. How can a President be objective and weigh opinions properly? It's a massive conflict of interest. And it smacks of nepotism. [Donald Junior might be ok -- that boy is woke.]
Plus Kushner? A NYC Jew who until recently was a Democrat (correction -- in all likelihood still *is* a Dem). Please. His only credential to be in the White House is he's boinking the President's daughter.
Gessen is not stupid – she wrote a really interesting popular science book on genetics that is much more Pinker than Gould – but ye gods is she dumb.
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It's called the IMILF Visa. If that's not "sending their best", I'm OK with it.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bubba
I’m sure Masha would appreciate those talents. Her wife, however, would be jealous.
When countries make people illegal, the world comes apart.
I totally get that. Remember how the world came apart when Poland declared on September 1, 1939 that all those poor Germans fleeing into their country were illegal? Those bastard Poles only made it worse when they declared the Russians illegal just two weeks later.
Oh Poland, why did you have to set off a horrific, deadly war by declaring Germans and Russians to be illegal??? Tens of millions of people died because of your inhumanity!!!
In the fall of 1991 the Soviet Union was dissolved, and thousands boarded planes for the United States. They came in search of the American Dream. One of them found it in the high-rise offices of New York… influence, power, and the freedom to warp values beyond her wildest dreams. She was Masha Gessen but the world will remember her by another name… Butterface.
I see what Gessen is trying to do.
Very sneaky.
Jews were favored for entry into the US because of talent. American Jews have lots of talent and money, and they used their influence to have US government favor talented Jews from Russia and elsewhere.
So, Jewish favoritism in immigration owed to talent. Jewish Talent in America that led to great power, and Jewish talent in Russia and etc.
This means that Jews got Preferential Treatment, and Jews don’t want people to feel that way. It may lead to resentment.
So, the very people who’ve been the beneficiaries of ‘Talent’ are now pretending to be egalitarians who would never support any kind of favoritism. Never mind Jewish immigrants even got ‘refugee’ status.
Btw, has Gessen ever written an editorial about how it’s hateful for the US to favor Zionists over Palestinians? Or how US foreign policy shouldn’t favor one nation as ‘best friend of US’? After all, Americans come from so many nations.
She has the soul of a gypsy. Totally sick.
She not only pushes ‘gay marriage’ but wants to abolish marriage altogether. She is like Ayn Rand gone perv. But same kind of twisted personality(but minus Rand’s grandeur of vision).
This kind of personality was laid bare in PASSION OF AYN RAND. No great masterpiece but very telling of how some of the most manipulative, selfish, and devious people can philosophize their feelings and decisions as ‘objective’ or ‘ethical’.
Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. The Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism molded WASP culture, solidified it, and imposed it across the nation. A Judaizing heresy will necessarily produce a philo-Semitic culture. And that we can see in no less than Oliver Cromwell, who took Jewish money and allowed Jews back into England, with special rights and privileges which the vast majority of British Isles natives were denied.
From its beginning, WASP culture has produced Elites who instinctively ally with Jews to make war against the vast majority of non-WASP whites.
Jews knew that in 1875, as they did in 1805. So they flocked to the US and most parts of the British Empire.
WASP culture is inherently pro-Semitic.
The threat for Jews today is that by the Victorian era, a fast growing number of British WASP Elites had shifted their philo-Semitism from Jews to Arabs and Moslems. But those WASP Elites also despised the 'poor white trash' of the British Isles and Europe and the US, and would happily destroy them in the name of uplifting their preferred Semites.Replies: @Anon
All the supposedly “anti-hate” people and their crap has done so much, much more to make me hate it is incredible. I really hate THEM. It feels like a set-up.
BTW you’d have to be truly a fool to not see white identity politics and something like the hated “alt right” not coming and it’s strange it’s not bigger and was so late to arrive.
The NYT is controlled by Carlos Slim, who clearly favors unrestricted immigration to the United States. It would be more surprising if someone was given any platform at the NYT to call for an immigration moratorium.
Picture Trump/Ivanka nodding their heads in agreement during a sit down with Masha at the whitehouse.
Bannon warned us all!Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Chrisnonymous, @Moses, @Charles Erwin Wilson
If an amnesty is enacted, self-determination and partition must be achieved by any means necessary.
Fellow Sailerites, let's stop pretending - you don't need talent, or hard work if you share & adhere evolutionary strategy with locusts, leeches, and frog free- riding scorpions.
You're all welcome.Replies: @Desiderius
link?
http://tinyurl.com/y7er7pt2
So this information comes from Gessen herself.
In the book reviewer's paraphrase, Gessen maternal grandmother, Ruzya (Solodovnika) Minkina, widowed while pregnant in 1942, "managed to land a job with the NKVD as a translator and censor that supported her and her daughter." Ah, how does anyone, nevermind a Jew, just sort of happen to "manage to" go work for the Soviet Secret Police, gee, it's a wonder. Minkina was raised in Moscow, but it's not clear from the book review if that's where her NKVD service took place.
Minkina reportedly felt "culpable. Should she have held a censor's job? How does that implicate her in the evils Stalin perpetrated? Geffen [sic] has carefully researched this topic as well and integrates her research into her discussion seamlessly. This allows us to contemplate the situation in its complexity [italics mine]." I got your nuance right here, ya rubes.
It turns out that the other side of the family was equally amenable to servicing a fascist government. Gessen's paternal grandmother's father, Jakub Goldberg, "was a member of the Judenrat in the Bialystok ghetto and died at the hands of the Nazis." Yeah, died eventually, when his services were no longer needed. And what might those services have entailed? Per Infogalactic:Shades of Soros.
And although Granta's owner and Tetra Pak Heir Luvz Open Societies and Stuff, this article has been behind the Paywall for some twenty years:
https://granta.com/my-grandmother-the-censor/
Naturally, Bezostan forgot to put a third parenthesis :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140141561/ref=x_gr_w_bb?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_bb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0140141561&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2
Few years later, Mrs. Gessen fully revisioned lives of her two babushkas in a longer format:
https://read.epub.pub/epub/592bd808d9abc8000742e874#epubcfi(/6/4[col1]!4/2[col1]/2/1:0)
Here is additional medley of Echo Chambering Tribal Diatribes covering Mashenka's 371 pages thick diarea about Two
ChutzpahzoicStoic Grandmas Who Had to Snitch & Censor for Stalin Because Jews Were Persecuted by Stalin :http://arlindo-correia.com/140505.html
Gessentrophiology in a Nutshell :Replies: @reiner Tor
The left’s obsessive advocacy for unfettered immigration will hurt their own arguments for wealth redistribution.
Since they admit that their ideal is to bring here the entire surplus population of the third world, the left is demolishing their own arguments for an universal basic income, and their other socialist utopian redistributionists fantasies.
Socialists have to choose between closed borders with socialist economic policies; or open borders, but without confiscatory taxation and socialist redistribution.
Those of us who pay most of the taxes collected by the U.S. government cannot lift the entire third world out of poverty.
We don’t owe foreign aid to the world, and if we let the world into our country,
we don’t owe them a free basic income just because they breached our borders.
Socialism, meet Globalism.
Second, it's been decades since the Left advocated any sort of forced wealth transfer other than from whites to non-whites.
Third, universal basic income funded by property taxes on centralized wealth is a pet project of the intellectual right.
Fourth, the Left has always sought centralization of wealth and power until it have a monopoly on both.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
As long as they hate pre-1965 Americans and pre-1965 America, they’ve got what it takes to make it in The NY Times Bizarro America.
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It's called the IMILF Visa. If that's not "sending their best", I'm OK with it.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bubba
Is that one of the babes that Sen. Bob Menendez “helped” to get an IMILF visa for his buddy Solomon the eye doctor with deep pockets? On second look, this women appears older than 16. Menendez (and Solomon too) prefers younger women according to the corruption charges against him.
September 6, 2017No doubt, courting the Latino vote for 2020 (and impressing the jury).
BTW you'd have to be truly a fool to not see white identity politics and something like the hated "alt right" not coming and it's strange it's not bigger and was so late to arrive.Replies: @Opinionator, @Seamus Padraig
It is indeed strange it is not bigger, and that it is slow to appear. Richard Spencer has done a hell of a lot to cripple it over the past year, but it should have been bigger before then, and it should probably be slightly bigger now, in spite of him.
Wouldn’t want people to think this was some backwater like Canada or something…
People like Gessen privatize virtue and socialize cost. She’ll be living her life of decadence and indulgence and won’t lift a finger to help any of these ‘refugees’ in or outside America. She just makes noise, gets plaudits for caring, and then pushes the burden of US tax payers.
Btw, if talent doesn’t matter, why should any nation be deemed better than others? Isn’t US considered better because of its talent pool? Indeed, the very reason why people want to come to the US is because there’s the understanding that US wealth owes to its talented population(of mostly whites).
If talent doesn’t matter, than nations without talent are just as fine as nations with talent. Equality. No need for those in untalented nations to move to talented nations. It doesn’t matter. All people are equal. Okay, so Haiti has no talent. So what? Talent is elitist and exclusive. Haiti should be proud of its lack of talent and happily remain in untalent-land.
Why did Jews favor US as immigration destination? Wasn’t it because it was founded and settled by a very talented people, the Anglos, who did a pretty great job? If Jews don’t are about talent, why didn’t they decide to emigrate to Bolivia or Peru or Bangladesh?
Also, didn’t Jews wanna go to the US because its freedom and rule of law allowed talent to thrive?
They didn’t want to go to a corrupt backward nation where talent is not rewarded and utilized. Since Jews have lots of talent, they wanted to go to a nation where talent could rise high.
And US was that nation because it took in talent. Its big mistake was bringing over lots of blacks with lower IQ. Good at sports and pop music but terrible at much else, and US paid a huge price with riots, welfare, crime, and destroyed cities. That’s why talent matters. If the US since 1776 had taken in just ANY people from all over the world, it would have ended up like Latin America. Indeed, massive immigration from nations of low talent is turning the US into a lawless state. There is more division, more distrust, more breakdown of rule of law. Non-whites make corrupt demands for favoritism,and demoralized whites are falling through the cracks in the working class.
Also, elites seem to send mixed signals. They say the US in the 21st century is no longer an industrial economy but a information economy where BRAINS and CREATIVITY matters. Back in the 19th century and early 20th century, much of ability depended on farm work or factory work. Now, it’s about high IQ and creativity. That being the case, why should the US take in lots of low IQ dummies? Elites say factory-days are over, and Trump is foolish to try to revive US manufacturing. What matters is ‘creativity’. If so, why would we need lots of people of low talent? Unless they are added to welfare or serf status and used as Democratic voters or used as hate army against white Americans. Antiwa, or Anti-white.
Anyway, no nation can survive without rules of who gets in and who gets out. And the question is WHO gets to decide. Currently, the people who decide are hellbent on turning whites into a minority. Their main agenda is not being nice to immigrants but to undermine majority power. This is act of war by other means.
Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico and told Mexicans that they have to take in endless numbers of Chinese, Hindus, and Africans. And if Mexicans ask the gringos, ‘who are you to tell us what to do about immigration?’, and gringos just call them ‘haters’.
Owners of a house get to decide who gets in. If someone else in the house gets to decide, the owners are no longer owners. They are just doomed to be replaced and evicted. Americans used to see US as their home. Now, they are mere tenants living in Apartment USA. They no longer hold the title. And they are to be replaced.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/hans-hermann-hoppe/on-free-immigration-and-forced-integration/
The swedish former prime and traitor extraordinaire, 'rightwing' Fredrik Reinfeldt and his other pals openly stated (in earlier years) that the purpose of wellcoming massimmigration was to wreck the swedish model. Reinfeldt was hired by Goldman Sachs after loosing the election.
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My rule of thumb: As soon as someone mentions the Statue or the Poem (in an unironic or non-meta fashion) I assume they have nothing reasonable or insightful to say about immigration.
Citing the poem is an admission that they have no ethical/moral arguments to hand so they try to hide with a flurry of emotion.
BTW you'd have to be truly a fool to not see white identity politics and something like the hated "alt right" not coming and it's strange it's not bigger and was so late to arrive.Replies: @Opinionator, @Seamus Padraig
So true, BEER. I was never a hater until I was told I was a hater for the millionth time. At that point, I said to myself, ‘Fuck it. I guess I’m a hater!’ And that’s when I joined the alt-Right.
Masha rocks a fashy cut.
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Bonus "Big Brother" image accompanies!Replies: @Lot
If everyone is talented then there is no need for Politicians, amiright?
US Senator Cory Booker sits front row for Menendez’s bribery trial.
September 6, 2017
No doubt, courting the Latino vote for 2020 (and impressing the jury).
Masha Gessen is the perfect example of the chickens coming home to roost. An utter failure at using US taxpayer money to sow strife and discord in her native country, she is now spreading her vile poison in her patrons’. Out of curiosity, what is her immigration status in the US, anyway? Is she on one of those special Jewish/Russian/Homo visas?
In other news, I keep seeing over and over again the word “humanity” used as some numinous intonation. As if to be called “human” is automatically a sacred compliment.
Gessen:I accept that Masha Gessen is identifiably human. She is also evil and ugly and there are many like her, in different forms. But all human. Such human gargoyles should at least be thankful for current magnanimous ‘humane’ protection by way of negative rights against direct harm from their natural betters. Keep pushing for outrageous positive rights for undeserving ilk and be decimated as in the past.
Humanity? People? I’ll need more information than that. Show me exactly who you’re talking about. Trespassers have homelands. They have to go back.Replies: @william munny, @AndrewR, @Daniel Chieh, @Anonymous
That was not nice, making me click that link of Masha Gessen. You should have attached a warning.
Deserve’s got nuthin’ to do with it.
I’d like to see him donate the plaque for the Statue of Liberty, along with a new statue, to Israel as a token of America’s friendship with our great ally in the Middle East, a state truly worthy, who could live up to the ideals of that magnificent poem, and be a beacon to all around the world who yearn for freedom, that here, finally, is a country that will be truly accepting of your tired, your poor, your huddled masses….
Btw, if talent doesn't matter, why should any nation be deemed better than others? Isn't US considered better because of its talent pool? Indeed, the very reason why people want to come to the US is because there's the understanding that US wealth owes to its talented population(of mostly whites).
If talent doesn't matter, than nations without talent are just as fine as nations with talent. Equality. No need for those in untalented nations to move to talented nations. It doesn't matter. All people are equal. Okay, so Haiti has no talent. So what? Talent is elitist and exclusive. Haiti should be proud of its lack of talent and happily remain in untalent-land.
Why did Jews favor US as immigration destination? Wasn't it because it was founded and settled by a very talented people, the Anglos, who did a pretty great job? If Jews don't are about talent, why didn't they decide to emigrate to Bolivia or Peru or Bangladesh?
Also, didn't Jews wanna go to the US because its freedom and rule of law allowed talent to thrive?
They didn't want to go to a corrupt backward nation where talent is not rewarded and utilized. Since Jews have lots of talent, they wanted to go to a nation where talent could rise high.
And US was that nation because it took in talent. Its big mistake was bringing over lots of blacks with lower IQ. Good at sports and pop music but terrible at much else, and US paid a huge price with riots, welfare, crime, and destroyed cities. That's why talent matters. If the US since 1776 had taken in just ANY people from all over the world, it would have ended up like Latin America. Indeed, massive immigration from nations of low talent is turning the US into a lawless state. There is more division, more distrust, more breakdown of rule of law. Non-whites make corrupt demands for favoritism,and demoralized whites are falling through the cracks in the working class.
Also, elites seem to send mixed signals. They say the US in the 21st century is no longer an industrial economy but a information economy where BRAINS and CREATIVITY matters. Back in the 19th century and early 20th century, much of ability depended on farm work or factory work. Now, it's about high IQ and creativity. That being the case, why should the US take in lots of low IQ dummies? Elites say factory-days are over, and Trump is foolish to try to revive US manufacturing. What matters is 'creativity'. If so, why would we need lots of people of low talent? Unless they are added to welfare or serf status and used as Democratic voters or used as hate army against white Americans. Antiwa, or Anti-white.
Anyway, no nation can survive without rules of who gets in and who gets out. And the question is WHO gets to decide. Currently, the people who decide are hellbent on turning whites into a minority. Their main agenda is not being nice to immigrants but to undermine majority power. This is act of war by other means.
Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico and told Mexicans that they have to take in endless numbers of Chinese, Hindus, and Africans. And if Mexicans ask the gringos, 'who are you to tell us what to do about immigration?', and gringos just call them 'haters'.
Owners of a house get to decide who gets in. If someone else in the house gets to decide, the owners are no longer owners. They are just doomed to be replaced and evicted. Americans used to see US as their home. Now, they are mere tenants living in Apartment USA. They no longer hold the title. And they are to be replaced.Replies: @njguy73, @Peter Grafström, @CCZ, @Opinionator
If I haven’t already, allow me to provide this link. You’d like it.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/hans-hermann-hoppe/on-free-immigration-and-forced-integration/
http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Masha-Gessen-650.jpgReplies: @anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @fish, @guest, @dr kill
Full out Pat Paulsen?
Gays seem to be among the most ardent supporters of all things of the left, no matter how ridiculous or insane, no matter how they seem to be against the interests of gays.
It’s of course because they feel the left are the ones who are accepting of them, but a more rational assessment of the forest and not the trees would see that supporting the left is overall far worse for them.
Many gays are white, but the left pushes to oppress whites. Whites have been the most tolerant of gays. If there is a NAM world, it will not excuse them on grounds that they were left supporters.
They are often productive workers, but the left would tax them and give it to those who are lazy.
The left is in favor of bringing in Muslims who are virulently anti-gay.
The list goes on and on.
Would the revolutionaries have bothered if they knew that it was going to end up with jewish lesbians telling their descendants what ‘America’ was about?
http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Masha-Gessen-650.jpgReplies: @anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @fish, @guest, @dr kill
I suppose that with the demise of religion it’s fallen out of fashion to look upon someone so utterly cursed by God and nature to have been made so physically twisted and to conclude that she’s warped on the inside as well – that her motives are an expression of her warping and hatred for those not so afflicted.
In all fairness, Gessen’s column was primarily about DACA, and I think this is the one case where she and the immigration enthusiast Left have a point. It really does strike me as immoral to take a 25 year old who was brought here at the age of two and exile him to a country that he doesn’t remember and where he doesn’t even speak the language. I don’t think we should be making this argument, because I don’t think it’s one we can win.
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us…
They get free immersion language courses to pick of the new tongue. Within a year or two, they're livin' like jews!
It'll be great....
First, it's immoral for the victims of a crime to suffer at the hands of people who are at best neutral but in a biological sense are part and parcel of the criminals. Moreover, if you have to choose between the victims and the recipients of the proceeds of a crime, the victims' interests must come first.
Second, if it's so traumatic for a person to move, or to be forced to move, from one country to another, why did the parents change countries? Why did they force their children to change countries? Why are millions of immigrants streaming into this country as fast as they can? Your premise is false.
Moreover, if the premise were true, it would make all immigration immoral. Are any of the pro-DACA people pointing that out? Are they saying all immigration must stop because of the trauma it inflicts on the immigrants themselves? Of course not, because they don't rely on (or even believe) that premise. They're not making an argument at all. As always, they're using force and fraud to achieve their goals.Replies: @Opinionator
They did not want a fence
They did not want to send them back when they got here
They wanted to give them all sorts of free stuff to them when they got here
They created the false promise that they would be able to stay here.
The left created this mess, they get to own it.
We can and are winning, never listen to the enemy, they will ALWAYS lie to you.
The NYT is not the NYT of Reston, Krock, etc. If it wasn’t for that Mejican they’d be out of business. They make no pretense to objectivity anymore in as much as they have to retain their core readership to stay afloat, hence the likes of this Gessen woman (or whatever).
we don’t owe them a free basic income just because they breached our borders.Replies: @covfefe anan, @Bill, @ben tillman
Have you discussed this with any young Socialist? I have and, like you, figured there would be a conflict between the two outcomes you described, and all I needed to do was point this out. The young Socialist I was talking with explained that it is no longer a fight for US workers, but all workers, globally. I asked if they believed in redistribution of wealth, globally, even if that left everyone the life of a third world country. Unequivocally, yes, he said.
Socialism, meet Globalism.
Btw, if talent doesn't matter, why should any nation be deemed better than others? Isn't US considered better because of its talent pool? Indeed, the very reason why people want to come to the US is because there's the understanding that US wealth owes to its talented population(of mostly whites).
If talent doesn't matter, than nations without talent are just as fine as nations with talent. Equality. No need for those in untalented nations to move to talented nations. It doesn't matter. All people are equal. Okay, so Haiti has no talent. So what? Talent is elitist and exclusive. Haiti should be proud of its lack of talent and happily remain in untalent-land.
Why did Jews favor US as immigration destination? Wasn't it because it was founded and settled by a very talented people, the Anglos, who did a pretty great job? If Jews don't are about talent, why didn't they decide to emigrate to Bolivia or Peru or Bangladesh?
Also, didn't Jews wanna go to the US because its freedom and rule of law allowed talent to thrive?
They didn't want to go to a corrupt backward nation where talent is not rewarded and utilized. Since Jews have lots of talent, they wanted to go to a nation where talent could rise high.
And US was that nation because it took in talent. Its big mistake was bringing over lots of blacks with lower IQ. Good at sports and pop music but terrible at much else, and US paid a huge price with riots, welfare, crime, and destroyed cities. That's why talent matters. If the US since 1776 had taken in just ANY people from all over the world, it would have ended up like Latin America. Indeed, massive immigration from nations of low talent is turning the US into a lawless state. There is more division, more distrust, more breakdown of rule of law. Non-whites make corrupt demands for favoritism,and demoralized whites are falling through the cracks in the working class.
Also, elites seem to send mixed signals. They say the US in the 21st century is no longer an industrial economy but a information economy where BRAINS and CREATIVITY matters. Back in the 19th century and early 20th century, much of ability depended on farm work or factory work. Now, it's about high IQ and creativity. That being the case, why should the US take in lots of low IQ dummies? Elites say factory-days are over, and Trump is foolish to try to revive US manufacturing. What matters is 'creativity'. If so, why would we need lots of people of low talent? Unless they are added to welfare or serf status and used as Democratic voters or used as hate army against white Americans. Antiwa, or Anti-white.
Anyway, no nation can survive without rules of who gets in and who gets out. And the question is WHO gets to decide. Currently, the people who decide are hellbent on turning whites into a minority. Their main agenda is not being nice to immigrants but to undermine majority power. This is act of war by other means.
Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico and told Mexicans that they have to take in endless numbers of Chinese, Hindus, and Africans. And if Mexicans ask the gringos, 'who are you to tell us what to do about immigration?', and gringos just call them 'haters'.
Owners of a house get to decide who gets in. If someone else in the house gets to decide, the owners are no longer owners. They are just doomed to be replaced and evicted. Americans used to see US as their home. Now, they are mere tenants living in Apartment USA. They no longer hold the title. And they are to be replaced.Replies: @njguy73, @Peter Grafström, @CCZ, @Opinionator
Both Europe and the US ‘need’ ‘dummies’ to supress wages and destroy the social safety nets.
The swedish former prime and traitor extraordinaire, ‘rightwing’ Fredrik Reinfeldt and his other pals openly stated (in earlier years) that the purpose of wellcoming massimmigration was to wreck the swedish model. Reinfeldt was hired by Goldman Sachs after loosing the election.
we don’t owe them a free basic income just because they breached our borders.Replies: @covfefe anan, @Bill, @ben tillman
Why, it’s almost as if they don’t actually want “wealth re-distribution.”
Are Many of Our Fellow Citizens ‘Nazis?’Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous
Who knew Trump’s “I love Mexican food” tweet was a WN dog whistle? I never heard it.
Of course, ‘that’ is different. But it is not different just because of the Jewish matter. WASPs have always done the same thing: justify the beams in their own eyes by blinding those they oppose in the name of saving them from the motes in their eyes.
That’s what Yankee WASP murderous self-righteousness over black slavery was about – while ignoring the huge fortunes northern shippers and investors had made on the slave trade, as well as the fortunes WASP Elites made on white immigrant labor, working white immigrants to death at rates far higher thank black slaves died.
Can you provide a citation for this?
Are Many of Our Fellow Citizens ‘Nazis?’Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous
Wow. That’s quite an article. It connects Hitler with Mexican food, explains Laguna Beach Fogey and Apocalypse Now memes, and references the SPLC.
I Scott Adams can eat his hat as the Trump Nazi meme hasn’t really gone away as predicted.
Btw, if talent doesn't matter, why should any nation be deemed better than others? Isn't US considered better because of its talent pool? Indeed, the very reason why people want to come to the US is because there's the understanding that US wealth owes to its talented population(of mostly whites).
If talent doesn't matter, than nations without talent are just as fine as nations with talent. Equality. No need for those in untalented nations to move to talented nations. It doesn't matter. All people are equal. Okay, so Haiti has no talent. So what? Talent is elitist and exclusive. Haiti should be proud of its lack of talent and happily remain in untalent-land.
Why did Jews favor US as immigration destination? Wasn't it because it was founded and settled by a very talented people, the Anglos, who did a pretty great job? If Jews don't are about talent, why didn't they decide to emigrate to Bolivia or Peru or Bangladesh?
Also, didn't Jews wanna go to the US because its freedom and rule of law allowed talent to thrive?
They didn't want to go to a corrupt backward nation where talent is not rewarded and utilized. Since Jews have lots of talent, they wanted to go to a nation where talent could rise high.
And US was that nation because it took in talent. Its big mistake was bringing over lots of blacks with lower IQ. Good at sports and pop music but terrible at much else, and US paid a huge price with riots, welfare, crime, and destroyed cities. That's why talent matters. If the US since 1776 had taken in just ANY people from all over the world, it would have ended up like Latin America. Indeed, massive immigration from nations of low talent is turning the US into a lawless state. There is more division, more distrust, more breakdown of rule of law. Non-whites make corrupt demands for favoritism,and demoralized whites are falling through the cracks in the working class.
Also, elites seem to send mixed signals. They say the US in the 21st century is no longer an industrial economy but a information economy where BRAINS and CREATIVITY matters. Back in the 19th century and early 20th century, much of ability depended on farm work or factory work. Now, it's about high IQ and creativity. That being the case, why should the US take in lots of low IQ dummies? Elites say factory-days are over, and Trump is foolish to try to revive US manufacturing. What matters is 'creativity'. If so, why would we need lots of people of low talent? Unless they are added to welfare or serf status and used as Democratic voters or used as hate army against white Americans. Antiwa, or Anti-white.
Anyway, no nation can survive without rules of who gets in and who gets out. And the question is WHO gets to decide. Currently, the people who decide are hellbent on turning whites into a minority. Their main agenda is not being nice to immigrants but to undermine majority power. This is act of war by other means.
Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico and told Mexicans that they have to take in endless numbers of Chinese, Hindus, and Africans. And if Mexicans ask the gringos, 'who are you to tell us what to do about immigration?', and gringos just call them 'haters'.
Owners of a house get to decide who gets in. If someone else in the house gets to decide, the owners are no longer owners. They are just doomed to be replaced and evicted. Americans used to see US as their home. Now, they are mere tenants living in Apartment USA. They no longer hold the title. And they are to be replaced.Replies: @njguy73, @Peter Grafström, @CCZ, @Opinionator
“Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico….”
Are you talking about Generalova? She is “hot”, but not a great beauty.
Gessen could be passable, too, if she stopped trying to look like Bob Dylan.
Anyone who goes out of their way to look unattractive has something wrong with them, regardless of their sexual orientation. If this were recognized more generally, poisonous underminers like Gessen would have less influence.
Very sneaky.
Jews were favored for entry into the US because of talent. American Jews have lots of talent and money, and they used their influence to have US government favor talented Jews from Russia and elsewhere.
So, Jewish favoritism in immigration owed to talent. Jewish Talent in America that led to great power, and Jewish talent in Russia and etc.
This means that Jews got Preferential Treatment, and Jews don't want people to feel that way. It may lead to resentment.
So, the very people who've been the beneficiaries of 'Talent' are now pretending to be egalitarians who would never support any kind of favoritism. Never mind Jewish immigrants even got 'refugee' status.
Btw, has Gessen ever written an editorial about how it's hateful for the US to favor Zionists over Palestinians? Or how US foreign policy shouldn't favor one nation as 'best friend of US'? After all, Americans come from so many nations.
She has the soul of a gypsy. Totally sick.
She not only pushes 'gay marriage' but wants to abolish marriage altogether. She is like Ayn Rand gone perv. But same kind of twisted personality(but minus Rand's grandeur of vision).
This kind of personality was laid bare in PASSION OF AYN RAND. No great masterpiece but very telling of how some of the most manipulative, selfish, and devious people can philosophize their feelings and decisions as 'objective' or 'ethical'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOqn2Y6ihsEReplies: @Jake
Jews were not favored to enter the US because of their talent, Jews were favored to enter the US because they were Jews and WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish.
Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. The Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism molded WASP culture, solidified it, and imposed it across the nation. A Judaizing heresy will necessarily produce a philo-Semitic culture. And that we can see in no less than Oliver Cromwell, who took Jewish money and allowed Jews back into England, with special rights and privileges which the vast majority of British Isles natives were denied.
From its beginning, WASP culture has produced Elites who instinctively ally with Jews to make war against the vast majority of non-WASP whites.
Jews knew that in 1875, as they did in 1805. So they flocked to the US and most parts of the British Empire.
WASP culture is inherently pro-Semitic.
The threat for Jews today is that by the Victorian era, a fast growing number of British WASP Elites had shifted their philo-Semitism from Jews to Arabs and Moslems. But those WASP Elites also despised the ‘poor white trash’ of the British Isles and Europe and the US, and would happily destroy them in the name of uplifting their preferred Semites.
It goes to show that talent that is useful could, under different circumstances, be harmful. Germanic tribes were big and strong and useful to Romans as mercenaries... that is until they turned on Rome.Replies: @gcochran
Not so sure of the American Dream for all of the Soviet-educated immigrants. My take is that people like Gessen and Merkel retained the basics of their Communist educations. The Communist economic system might have fallen by the wayside … but their dream of the New Soviet Man and Woman did not. Both are radical proponents of globalization, feminism, LBGTxyz, all captured in the excerpt below from the Communist Manifesto (1848):
Wow! That sounds like a stronger version of,
Now, I’m doubly sure I know where Masha Gessen and Angela Merkel are coming from.
It’s not that Gessen loves all those potential immigrants so very much but that she hates the mass of regular Americans. She’s a hater just like Max Boot of a few threads ago and the rest of the gang. Someone like this is unemployable except for the ability to blow noxious hot air. They’d have to get a real job except they’re being subsidized by sponsors such as the NYT. I’m tired of the hate and abuse being dumped upon us by these creatures.
The distinctively Jewish hate whitey thing is getting incredibly tiresome and all too predictable.
Picture Trump/Ivanka nodding their heads in agreement during a sit down with Masha at the whitehouse.
Bannon warned us all!Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Chrisnonymous, @Moses, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Actually, Scott Adams called it back during the election. When everyone said Trump was a racist, Adams said, no, he’s a law&order guy who’s going to do ‘Nixon went to China’ on fixing immigration. It looks like he might have been right. I was hoping he was wrong.
Trump is like exactly one guy. As far as I can tell he's working very hard on immigration againstCongress and the bureaucrats and the judiciary. Is miracle worker now the bar for satisfaction on the point?
Here’s a memoir Gessen published in 2004 about her two grandmothers, whom she met and interviewed multiple times in Russia:
http://tinyurl.com/y7er7pt2
So this information comes from Gessen herself.
In the book reviewer’s paraphrase, Gessen maternal grandmother, Ruzya (Solodovnika) Minkina, widowed while pregnant in 1942, “managed to land a job with the NKVD as a translator and censor that supported her and her daughter.” Ah, how does anyone, nevermind a Jew, just sort of happen to “manage to” go work for the Soviet Secret Police, gee, it’s a wonder. Minkina was raised in Moscow, but it’s not clear from the book review if that’s where her NKVD service took place.
Minkina reportedly felt “culpable. Should she have held a censor’s job? How does that implicate her in the evils Stalin perpetrated? Geffen [sic] has carefully researched this topic as well and integrates her research into her discussion seamlessly. This allows us to contemplate the situation in its complexity [italics mine].” I got your nuance right here, ya rubes.
It turns out that the other side of the family was equally amenable to servicing a fascist government. Gessen’s paternal grandmother’s father, Jakub Goldberg, “was a member of the Judenrat in the Bialystok ghetto and died at the hands of the Nazis.” Yeah, died eventually, when his services were no longer needed. And what might those services have entailed? Per Infogalactic:
Shades of Soros.
Of course not, goy, and you’re a Nazi deserving of extrajudicial execution for even asking that
In other news, I keep seeing over and over again the word “humanity” used as some numinous intonation. As if to be called “human” is automatically a sacred compliment.
Gessen:I accept that Masha Gessen is identifiably human. She is also evil and ugly and there are many like her, in different forms. But all human. Such human gargoyles should at least be thankful for current magnanimous ‘humane’ protection by way of negative rights against direct harm from their natural betters. Keep pushing for outrageous positive rights for undeserving ilk and be decimated as in the past.
Humanity? People? I’ll need more information than that. Show me exactly who you’re talking about. Trespassers have homelands. They have to go back.Replies: @william munny, @AndrewR, @Daniel Chieh, @Anonymous
Gessen looks like Ayn Rand’s Fetal Alcohol Syndromed granddaughter
There used to be the stereotype of ‘the ugly American’ – the American who went over to Europe or wherever and boorishly laughed at the local customs and complained endlessly that things were better in America. The best literary example of this true stereotype is the episode “The Waldorf Salad” from the John Cleese show Fawlty Towers.
We’re seeing a new character type emerge: the Ugly Immigrant.
He’s the guy who moves to America and loudly complains that he hates the locals, mocking their customs, insulting the poor, and telling us that the brochure was so much better than the reality. (But he never leaves!!) The obvious examples are our friends Max Boot and Bret Stephens but there are so many many more! For example all of the foreign born CEOs we seem to see a lot of have no sympathy or love for their new countrymen, but can only hector them endlessly about their cruelty and racism.
The Ugly Immigrant.
You mean “Nothingincludingerface”
In other news, I keep seeing over and over again the word “humanity” used as some numinous intonation. As if to be called “human” is automatically a sacred compliment.
Gessen:I accept that Masha Gessen is identifiably human. She is also evil and ugly and there are many like her, in different forms. But all human. Such human gargoyles should at least be thankful for current magnanimous ‘humane’ protection by way of negative rights against direct harm from their natural betters. Keep pushing for outrageous positive rights for undeserving ilk and be decimated as in the past.
Humanity? People? I’ll need more information than that. Show me exactly who you’re talking about. Trespassers have homelands. They have to go back.Replies: @william munny, @AndrewR, @Daniel Chieh, @Anonymous
Rights should be earned. Nothing comes free in this universe.
Picture Trump/Ivanka nodding their heads in agreement during a sit down with Masha at the whitehouse.
Bannon warned us all!Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Chrisnonymous, @Moses, @Charles Erwin Wilson
I can’t stand Ivanka. Or her husband. And yet I know nothing about them.
I don’t have to. I do know that blood is thicker than water. Ivanka has a built-in advantage over any other Trump advisor — she’s daddy’s little girl. How can a President be objective and weigh opinions properly? It’s a massive conflict of interest. And it smacks of nepotism. [Donald Junior might be ok — that boy is woke.]
Plus Kushner? A NYC Jew who until recently was a Democrat (correction — in all likelihood still *is* a Dem). Please. His only credential to be in the White House is he’s boinking the President’s daughter.
We all love President Trump and Steve Sailer. At the risk of angering Sailer with too much comment repetition, I must once again revisit the unpleasant encounter I had with John McCain and his use of the Emma Lazarus poem as an argument to refute my town hall suggestion that mass immigration is destroying the United States.
I told Senator McCain in 2007 that the mass immigration policies he strongly pushed were destroying the United States. McCain went immediately to the sappy sentimentality strategy and then ended his answer with a recitation of Emma Lazarus’s crappy poem.
The video can be watched by way of this Tweet — (at minute 58:00):
Agreed. Rip off Emma Lazarus’ dreck and replace it with the original and watch the left go ballistic.
bored identity has only original , hard copy edition…
And although Granta’s owner and Tetra Pak Heir Luvz Open Societies and Stuff, this article has been behind the Paywall for some twenty years:
https://granta.com/my-grandmother-the-censor/
Naturally, Bezostan forgot to put a third parenthesis :
Few years later, Mrs. Gessen fully revisioned lives of her two babushkas in a longer format:
https://read.epub.pub/epub/592bd808d9abc8000742e874#epubcfi(/6/4%5Bcol1%5D!4/2%5Bcol1%5D/2/1:0)
Here is additional medley of Echo Chambering Tribal Diatribes covering Mashenka’s 371 pages thick diarea about Two
ChutzpahzoicStoic Grandmas Who Had to Snitch & Censor for Stalin Because Jews Were Persecuted by Stalin :http://arlindo-correia.com/140505.html
Gessentrophiology in a Nutshell :
That’s funny.
Try as I might, though, I couldn’t find a picture suggesting she has the requisite hot body to deserve that nom de guerre.
https://goo.gl/images/cqCjo4
Butter daughter’s kind of cute.
Russia is not as hostile towards gays as Hollywood and queer activists like Masha Gessen would have you believe. Coming out is still taboo but there are many obviously gay people in the movie and TV industry and you see it in places like airline stewards (like here) or hotels. Families know if a son or daughter is gay and they don’t advertise but they accept them like families here.
But there is one area that absolutely crosses the line, which is Poz Culture. The whole anarchist notion that it is OK to tear down and degrade the culture and society is not welcome in the slightest.
The general attitude is that if people want to have sex, straight or gay, they should do it in private. No one wants to see a woman dress like a man. Attacking the nuclear family, shoving sex in people’s faces, the blurring sex roles and dress, minimizing aids and promiscuity, and just acting like a freak are all see for exactly what they are, an attempt by a small but cohesive minority to subvert and diminish the majority. In a society where conformity and nationalism are held in high esteem, it is easy to see why they hate Masha Gessen so much.
Listen to an audio recording of her plans for the future and what families will look like.
It's unreal that a person with such extreme views is given a prominent position at the NYT.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Verymuchalive, @Yada yada
She’s obviously a Russian agent. Very clever of Mr Putin to get her sent to America with the purpose of destroying American Society, not that native Americans aren’t doing a good job of it themselves.
http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Masha-Gessen-650.jpgReplies: @anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @fish, @guest, @dr kill
Fashy like John Hurt in “1984”.
https://i2.wp.com/popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/John-Hurt-1984.jpg?fit=1200%2C827
Bonus “Big Brother” image accompanies!
Here is one that was sent to us by the Soviets. After 1991, the sect sent him back to rob Russians with the help of sect members at Harvard. Do you suppose it is an accident that Schleifer got his PhD from the same university/supervisor as Stanley Fischer?
Harvard’s ‘Best and Brightest’ Aided Russia’s Economic Ruin
http://fair.org/extra/harvards-best-and-brightest-aided-russias-economic-ruin/
Harvard Mafia, Andrei Shleifer and the economic rape of Russia
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml
Why Larry Summers lost the presidency of Harvard | mathbabe
https://mathbabe.org/2012/03/11/why-larry-summers-lost-the-presidency-of-harvard/
Of course there are other nutty jews that we offloaded on the poor Russians.
Russia – the biggest robbery of the twentieth century
https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?t=20332
OT: Starbucks discovers that veterans are people too. And they cry and laugh like everyone else! Still not going there, other than to use my gift cards received well before the current insanity.
But there is one area that absolutely crosses the line, which is Poz Culture. The whole anarchist notion that it is OK to tear down and degrade the culture and society is not welcome in the slightest.
The general attitude is that if people want to have sex, straight or gay, they should do it in private. No one wants to see a woman dress like a man. Attacking the nuclear family, shoving sex in people's faces, the blurring sex roles and dress, minimizing aids and promiscuity, and just acting like a freak are all see for exactly what they are, an attempt by a small but cohesive minority to subvert and diminish the majority. In a society where conformity and nationalism are held in high esteem, it is easy to see why they hate Masha Gessen so much.Replies: @AM
You mean any society that’s not on a suicide watch? That Masha Gessen speaking in public is a symptom of a society no longer investing in itself. We need a fair amount of conformity to function as society. It’s not a dirty word.
Seriously, is there a piece of news I missed? I checked and what happened this week was ending DACA in a way that once everyone gets over this week, it will be forgotten and cleaned up in an orderly fashion.
Trump is like exactly one guy. As far as I can tell he’s working very hard on immigration againstCongress and the bureaucrats and the judiciary. Is miracle worker now the bar for satisfaction on the point?
OT: The Chamber of Commerce wants driverless cars in the worst way. They’re suspending safety standards and telling states they’re out of luck if they don’t want them on their roads.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-selfdriving/u-s-house-unanimously-approves-sweeping-self-driving-car-measure-idUSKCN1BH2B2
I think you have to understand the convergence of forces here. The main drivers (so to speak) in this rush to self-driving vehicles are mostly high tech oriented companies, and what Silicone Valley (or ilk) want to see happen, will be heavily lobbied for.
But self-driving car technology will likely never be viable without ginormous investments in standardizing the nation's road network so that the damn thing could even begin to work. Hence, it was considered crucial that any possible regulation be wrenched away from the control of the States (remember those?) and Federalized as in almost every other sphere (a thoroughly bi-partisan enterprise, I might add). The Interstate Commerce Clause prostituted yet again for the twin goals of aggrandizement of the commercial sector, and the ongoing centralization of governmental powers, the genuine Duopoly. This, crucially, clears the way to open up the sluice gates of Federal funds to implement this idiocy. In turn, it guarantees a massive and wide-ranging community of interest to support this; contractors, suppliers of road-building materials & any other things needed to make it run, construction workers, state governments relieved to be off the hook for funding for this project, you name it.
What's in it for the high tech companies? I suspect that it is intellectual property that they can then rent for an ongoing stream of revenue. That's what those motherfuckers always want; that you not be able to live your life, and to conduct your affairs without their beak stuck into your neck vein, and pivotally, to have this legally enforceable under intellectual property laws (crafted for this purpose). Oh, and you can bet that right on the heels of this will be indemnification from deaths, injuries, and property damages beyond narrowly circumscribed limitations. They don't want liability to harsh their mellow, after all.
Ah, but what is in it for the Congress? An unending stream of bribery to keep it on track, or perhaps I should have said campaign contributions? That sounds ever so much better, don't you think?
I am sure that I have missed other, important stuff. Yeah, come to think of it, there is also the enhancement to state surveillance that will accompany this next surrender of citizen agency. So, score.Replies: @AM
Picture Trump/Ivanka nodding their heads in agreement during a sit down with Masha at the whitehouse.
Bannon warned us all!Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Chrisnonymous, @Moses, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Not yet he hasn’t. Maybe he will, but since he hasn’t caved so far let’s wait and see. If he does cave he will be a one-term president. But even then, the themes that propelled Trump to the presidency won’t disappear even if Trump folds.
Since two women are biologically incapable of creating offspring, I’d be willing to bet that the child/young woman is the product of the (likely conducted in a laboratory) union of Gessen’s lesbian lover and a male third party and carries no genes from the Gessen clan.
I believe I read - here actually - that Gessen's brother is the biological father of her lover's daughter. Jewish family values, anyone?Replies: @AnotherDad, @bored identity
She herself gave birth to the second child, the daughter, in 2001, no idea who the father is, but she wasn't married to Generalova til about 2004.
She remarried another Russian, Darya Oreshkina, in Russia before 2013. Oreshkina gave birth to a boy in 2012, and Gessen has stated that his father is one of her own brothers. Since her two youngest brothers (from her father's second marriage) are still in high school, it must be the third brother, Keith (Konstantin), who was an Occutard on Wall St. He's on his second marriage too, to a woman.Replies: @inertial
Geez Steve, what’s with you and the Jew thing?
Brett Stephens, Max Boot, now Masha Gessen. These folks are just aping the progressivism of the WASP elites who run the country–the core American ideology since the nation’s founding. Got nothing to do with immigrants, Russia, Jews.
You’re letting your anti-Semitism get the better of you.
You can tell in an instant whom is in power; criticize them and get arrested or sent into exile, they have power.
Try criticizing jews and you lose your job, family, and everything else; their SJW's will make that happens. Sailer can't get a real writing gig because of it, he has to have fund raising drives to pay the bills.
They even invented a special term; anti-semitism, so everybody will know whom to hate when that is thrown in their face.
Like you did!
It is interesting that Brett Stephens, Max Boot, and Masha Gessen, not to mention Bill Kristol, etc., etc., are from a Tribe that supposedly doesn’t want another Shoah to occur. And yet here they all are, goading non-ethnomasochist whites, elite or otherwise, into noticing rampant anti-Gentilism from Jews who are given platforms by largely Jewish-run media outlets.
If anything, Steve, magnanimous mensch that he is, is holding up a mirror to these brazen ingrates, who might be able to help themselves if only they become self-aware—and therefore feel shame (and/or fear) and desist—possibly preventing another “never forget” downward readjustment of the Chosen population.
There are Jews that lurk and comment here and ‘get it’ and disagree with the cited horribles, and I sympathize with them. But Steve is right to keep pointing out the numerous prominent ones who are playing chicken with history.
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
But think of the advantage of going back to the old country and be a fluent speaker of English; with contacts back in the US. They’ll get recruited by every multi-national in the country. They’ll be the consultants the Federal govt will go to when they need an informed opinion about some aspect of the US.
They get free immersion language courses to pick of the new tongue. Within a year or two, they’re livin’ like jews!
It’ll be great….
Everyone remembers it as his “I love Mexicans” tweet, but it was even more over the top than that:
Combined with that picture, it might be the trolliest thing he’s ever posted.
shes right of course what more does one require than wretched refuse, no but one seriously has to wonder how the jews managed to put that on the staue
Unrelated but of interest.
Daily Beast comes out against anchor babies.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens
Antifa in Quebec
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-antifa-1.4277145
“Stephen Miller waved away”
Yes, the internet knows a “hand wave” when it sees one, and what else could that press conference performance be called? I think I recall Miller sticking his index fingers in his ears and saying, “La-la-la, I can’t hear you,” too.
Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. The Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism molded WASP culture, solidified it, and imposed it across the nation. A Judaizing heresy will necessarily produce a philo-Semitic culture. And that we can see in no less than Oliver Cromwell, who took Jewish money and allowed Jews back into England, with special rights and privileges which the vast majority of British Isles natives were denied.
From its beginning, WASP culture has produced Elites who instinctively ally with Jews to make war against the vast majority of non-WASP whites.
Jews knew that in 1875, as they did in 1805. So they flocked to the US and most parts of the British Empire.
WASP culture is inherently pro-Semitic.
The threat for Jews today is that by the Victorian era, a fast growing number of British WASP Elites had shifted their philo-Semitism from Jews to Arabs and Moslems. But those WASP Elites also despised the 'poor white trash' of the British Isles and Europe and the US, and would happily destroy them in the name of uplifting their preferred Semites.Replies: @Anon
Jews were not favored to enter the US because of their talent, Jews were favored to enter the US because they were Jews and WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish.
Even if what you say is true, I think it had something to do with talent and prestige(historical and religious).
After all, wasps showed no interest in gypsies.
PS. Come to think of it, even importation of slaves was about talent(in the context of times). Whites were used to the heat and mosquitos, and Indians were too small and sick(from old world diseases) to work hard. In contrast, blacks were immune to old world disease, resistant to malaria, and very strong.
So, even slavery was about ‘talent’.
It goes to show that talent that is useful could, under different circumstances, be harmful.
Germanic tribes were big and strong and useful to Romans as mercenaries… that is until they turned on Rome.
Before about 1880, with rare exceptions, Americans didn't think about contemporary Jews at all.Replies: @Yada yada
And although Granta's owner and Tetra Pak Heir Luvz Open Societies and Stuff, this article has been behind the Paywall for some twenty years:
https://granta.com/my-grandmother-the-censor/
Naturally, Bezostan forgot to put a third parenthesis :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140141561/ref=x_gr_w_bb?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_bb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0140141561&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2
Few years later, Mrs. Gessen fully revisioned lives of her two babushkas in a longer format:
https://read.epub.pub/epub/592bd808d9abc8000742e874#epubcfi(/6/4[col1]!4/2[col1]/2/1:0)
Here is additional medley of Echo Chambering Tribal Diatribes covering Mashenka's 371 pages thick diarea about Two
ChutzpahzoicStoic Grandmas Who Had to Snitch & Censor for Stalin Because Jews Were Persecuted by Stalin :http://arlindo-correia.com/140505.html
Gessentrophiology in a Nutshell :Replies: @reiner Tor
That’s quite valuable.
“As long as politicians consider it necessary to qualify the victims as ‘hardworking’ or ‘talented,’ they fail to stand up to the administration’s fundamentally hateful blah, blah, blah”
Yes, her side shouldn’t allow themselves to be pulled down to the level of having to make arguments and employ rhetoric. They should just get their way. Certainly they shouldn’t have to condescend to address the hateful opposition, even when it’s in power. Trump shouldn’t be in power, unless he does everything they want. Because hate.
Whenever you state the case for the anti-hate side with anything but ex officio, arguments (“that’s the way it is”), you’re giving the haters too much credit. Again, even when they’re in power. Because, again, they don’t deserve to be. Because they’re not even One of Us.
No one has to tell him it’s gonna happen. Send Seal Team Six and the nation’s highest-ranking iconoclasm expert to the island in the middle of the night.
If nothing else, I smell a Nick Cage movie in there.
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
What language did he use with his parents then? Don’t tell me it was English…
https://i2.wp.com/popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/John-Hurt-1984.jpg?fit=1200%2C827
Bonus "Big Brother" image accompanies!Replies: @Lot
Wow, she has the same face too.
http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Masha-Gessen-650.jpgReplies: @anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @fish, @guest, @dr kill
That’s a homo-cut. It’s pretty mainstream now, at least for males. Because our culture is pozzed.
Brett Stephens, Max Boot, now Masha Gessen. These folks are just aping the progressivism of the WASP elites who run the country--the core American ideology since the nation's founding. Got nothing to do with immigrants, Russia, Jews.
You're letting your anti-Semitism get the better of you.Replies: @AB-, @Jenner Ickham Errican
You’re about 60 years behind the times; WASP elites did run the show before the late ’50s. But they have been supplanted by the MOT’s since then. So everything is about them and what they’re up to. It’s not the Rockefellers or Morgans anymore.
You can tell in an instant whom is in power; criticize them and get arrested or sent into exile, they have power.
Try criticizing jews and you lose your job, family, and everything else; their SJW’s will make that happens. Sailer can’t get a real writing gig because of it, he has to have fund raising drives to pay the bills.
They even invented a special term; anti-semitism, so everybody will know whom to hate when that is thrown in their face.
Like you did!
Yeah when you posted your Gessen photo I knew I’d seen it somewhere before!
Masha Gessen seems to suggest that aspiring to a peaceful country filled with prosperous, talented, attractive people is a hateful agenda. She would prefer a country filled with mutated transgender third world humanoids who look like her. I get it.
In other news, I keep seeing over and over again the word “humanity” used as some numinous intonation. As if to be called “human” is automatically a sacred compliment.
Gessen:I accept that Masha Gessen is identifiably human. She is also evil and ugly and there are many like her, in different forms. But all human. Such human gargoyles should at least be thankful for current magnanimous ‘humane’ protection by way of negative rights against direct harm from their natural betters. Keep pushing for outrageous positive rights for undeserving ilk and be decimated as in the past.
Humanity? People? I’ll need more information than that. Show me exactly who you’re talking about. Trespassers have homelands. They have to go back.Replies: @william munny, @AndrewR, @Daniel Chieh, @Anonymous
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/07/ap-refers-to-illegal-immigrants-as-undocumented-citizens/
Technical point: Masha Gessen is a troll, not a butterface. To be a butterface, a woman must be hideous from the neck up but have a conspicuously hot body. If you put Gessen in a wheelchair she could do a fine impersonation of Stephen Hawking.
Some of them were, of course. For instance, one of my favorite novelists, Saul Bellow. If him being raised in Canada or Russia would've somehow deprived the world of his writings, I could always fall back on the Canadian Saul Bellow: Mordecai Richtler.
Stephen Miller did a great job when he worked for Jeff Sessions when Sessions was in the US Senate. Stephen Miller might have written much of the informative material that helped turn the tide against the Obama/Rubio Illegal Alien Amnesty -- Mass Immigration Surge bill(S744) of 2013. Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions did much to stop the Obama/Rubio mass immigration bill in the US House. The Obama/Rubio mass immigration bill(s744) would have given amnesty to 12 to 30 million illegal alien invaders and would have tripled legal immigration.
Stephen Miller should be applauded for his efforts to stop the Obama/Rubio Illegal Alien Amnesty -- Mass Immigration Surge bill(S774) and for his efforts in the Trump administration to shape a immigration policy that puts the interests of America and the American people first.
Brett Stephens, Max Boot, now Masha Gessen. These folks are just aping the progressivism of the WASP elites who run the country--the core American ideology since the nation's founding. Got nothing to do with immigrants, Russia, Jews.
You're letting your anti-Semitism get the better of you.Replies: @AB-, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Correction: Brett Stephens, Max Boot, and Masha Gessen are aping the Bolshevism and Marxism of their own ancestors—only now with globalist capitalism replacing state-planned economies—while still harboring that schweet ingrained ethnic/racial animosity.
It is interesting that Brett Stephens, Max Boot, and Masha Gessen, not to mention Bill Kristol, etc., etc., are from a Tribe that supposedly doesn’t want another Shoah to occur. And yet here they all are, goading non-ethnomasochist whites, elite or otherwise, into noticing rampant anti-Gentilism from Jews who are given platforms by largely Jewish-run media outlets.
If anything, Steve, magnanimous mensch that he is, is holding up a mirror to these brazen ingrates, who might be able to help themselves if only they become self-aware—and therefore feel shame (and/or fear) and desist—possibly preventing another “never forget” downward readjustment of the Chosen population.
There are Jews that lurk and comment here and ‘get it’ and disagree with the cited horribles, and I sympathize with them. But Steve is right to keep pointing out the numerous prominent ones who are playing chicken with history.
“When countries make people illegal, the world comes apart.”
Countries didn’t make illegal immigrants illegal, their own actions did.
This system for selecting immigrants is used in Canada and has been for years. I believe Australia uses something similar.
I wonder if she even knows that.
It’s a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Hatred for anything Trump suggests is the problem here.
From what I’ve read by this woman (including one entire book), she’s of Jewish descent but is now a nonbeliever.
She does not seem interested in Israel at all.
Harping on her being a Jew makes us look stupid and not widely read. Try reading around.
The Jews that are causing the problems aren’t that interested in Israel.
For one who is, Bret Stephens, when he was the editor of the Jerusalem Post he furiously denounced a plan to deport some guest workers from Israel. He cited
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
So let him reapply for visa from his country.
Maybe no one deserves to see that, but …
Deserve’s got nuthin’ to do with it.
Mother Jones magazine finds something about immigration to be upset at.
Inside the Guest Worker Program Trapping Indian Students in Virtual Servitude
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/09/inside-the-growing-guest-worker-program-trapping-indian-students-in-virtual-servitude/
Their common roots as illegal immigrants? That’s news to me.
Some of them were, of course. For instance, one of my favorite novelists, Saul Bellow. If him being raised in Canada or Russia would’ve somehow deprived the world of his writings, I could always fall back on the Canadian Saul Bellow: Mordecai Richtler.
Stephen Miller is a great American, and Bradley Burston is an ungrateful Jew who hates America. Bradley Burston complains that Stephen Miller is turning his back on his Jewish ancestry by advocating for reduced immigration and the full application of immigration law in the United States. Bradley Burston believes that the United States exists soley to provide a human catch basin for anybody in the world that wants to come here. Burston nastily attacks the American political leaders who cut off mass immigration in 1924.
Stephen Miller did a great job when he worked for Jeff Sessions when Sessions was in the US Senate. Stephen Miller might have written much of the informative material that helped turn the tide against the Obama/Rubio Illegal Alien Amnesty — Mass Immigration Surge bill(S744) of 2013. Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions did much to stop the Obama/Rubio mass immigration bill in the US House. The Obama/Rubio mass immigration bill(s744) would have given amnesty to 12 to 30 million illegal alien invaders and would have tripled legal immigration.
Stephen Miller should be applauded for his efforts to stop the Obama/Rubio Illegal Alien Amnesty — Mass Immigration Surge bill(S774) and for his efforts in the Trump administration to shape a immigration policy that puts the interests of America and the American people first.
Incredible Sulk vs Sabrina Errorly. Who wins?
This guy is champion. Women can’t compete.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/24/israel-michael-kadar-jewish-centre-bomb-threats
(hard at work): “Since two women are biologically incapable of creating offspring, I’d be willing to bet that the child/young woman is the product of the (likely conducted in a laboratory) union of Gessen’s lesbian lover and a male third party and carries no genes from the Gessen clan.”
I believe I read – here actually – that Gessen’s brother is the biological father of her lover’s daughter. Jewish family values, anyone?
Gessen adopted her oldest child (boy), born in 1997, from an orphanage in Russia. It’s surprising she was allowed to do that.
She herself gave birth to the second child, the daughter, in 2001, no idea who the father is, but she wasn’t married to Generalova til about 2004.
She remarried another Russian, Darya Oreshkina, in Russia before 2013. Oreshkina gave birth to a boy in 2012, and Gessen has stated that his father is one of her own brothers. Since her two youngest brothers (from her father’s second marriage) are still in high school, it must be the third brother, Keith (Konstantin), who was an Occutard on Wall St. He’s on his second marriage too, to a woman.
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
That’s not “fairness”. Fairness is a matter of being impartial and just. Justice is a matter of giving each what he is due.
It’s not one we can lose.
First, it’s immoral for the victims of a crime to suffer at the hands of people who are at best neutral but in a biological sense are part and parcel of the criminals. Moreover, if you have to choose between the victims and the recipients of the proceeds of a crime, the victims’ interests must come first.
Second, if it’s so traumatic for a person to move, or to be forced to move, from one country to another, why did the parents change countries? Why did they force their children to change countries? Why are millions of immigrants streaming into this country as fast as they can? Your premise is false.
Moreover, if the premise were true, it would make all immigration immoral. Are any of the pro-DACA people pointing that out? Are they saying all immigration must stop because of the trauma it inflicts on the immigrants themselves? Of course not, because they don’t rely on (or even believe) that premise. They’re not making an argument at all. As always, they’re using force and fraud to achieve their goals.
@104 Frau Katze: “Harping on her being a Jew makes us look stupid and not widely read. Try reading around.”
As you and certainly other iSteve readers are well aware, being Jewish is far more than a religious belief system or an attachment to Israel. Neither adhering to nor rejecting either of those changes one’s biology. For one of numerous prominent examples, I give you Edith Stein – born and raised as a Jew but became not only a Catholic but a Carmelite nun. The Nazis may have killed her because of her Jewish genetics, but she dedicated her life and death to “Jesus and Mary and the holy Church.” Organized Jewry vehemently protested her beatification by the Catholic church, claiming the faith she lived by had nothing to do with her death – only her genetics mattered, additionally claiming the church was implicitly encouraging Jewish conversion by making her a saint.
You may find it discomfitting, but like it or not
DNA MATTERS.
we don’t owe them a free basic income just because they breached our borders.Replies: @covfefe anan, @Bill, @ben tillman
First, it’s not redistribution.
Second, it’s been decades since the Left advocated any sort of forced wealth transfer other than from whites to non-whites.
Third, universal basic income funded by property taxes on centralized wealth is a pet project of the intellectual right.
Fourth, the Left has always sought centralization of wealth and power until it have a monopoly on both.
Given that Emma Lazarus came from a sugar plantation family that owned and traded and exploited the labor of slaves, I’d think it would be a necessity in The Current Year, nu?
IIRC her inheritance or trust fund or whatever it was was sugar shekels from her mother’s line, the sugar refining Nathans.
He makes a living in crime. There is nothing else he can do.Replies: @Anonymous
He could be the head of the FBI or attorney general.
You are not alone.
The distinctively Jewish hate whitey thing is getting incredibly tiresome and all too predictable.
We are certainly getting enough wretched garbage from shores teeming for want of birth-control.
To the masochistic SJW goodperson, loudly proclaimed anti-American posturing in our immigrant garbage provides the ultimate virtue immigro-phile orgasm.
” has completely distracted from the original meaning of the statue, which was a gift from the people of France, not from Emma Lazarus.”
Hey Yo! We built the pedestal, we hired Emma Lazarus to write a poem for the pedestal’s dedication, and we put the damn plaque on our pedestal because we like that way. I don’t know what the deal is with the big green statue but no Frenchies involved in the pedestal.
I see the fearful NYT either shut down or never allowed commenting on this piece.
Daily the NYT has articles on lack of affordable housing, healthcare cost sky rocketing, K-12 funding issues, College funding issues…..the list goes on and on. Next are articles on artificial intelligence and robotics that will continue to take over things we humans do today. Yet somehow the answer is more immigration, yet they can never explain how that will help solve all these existing issues and the future anticipated problems.
But, we all must accept that the poem was a “prophetic intuition, a prophetic envisioning” that “completely recast the meaning of the statue.”
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
Yes, and I feel the same way about parents that rob banks and give the money to their children. Once it is in the child’s hands it has laundered away the crime that provided the windfall. That money may not be reclaimed. The same principle applies to all theft – houses, vehicles and land – just give it to the child and it is a clean as the wind-driven snow.
Second, it's been decades since the Left advocated any sort of forced wealth transfer other than from whites to non-whites.
Third, universal basic income funded by property taxes on centralized wealth is a pet project of the intellectual right.
Fourth, the Left has always sought centralization of wealth and power until it have a monopoly on both.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
References please. Thanks in advance.
That is multi-dimensionally rich. Surely it justifies the removal of the that damnable poem from where it is.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-selfdriving/u-s-house-unanimously-approves-sweeping-self-driving-car-measure-idUSKCN1BH2B2Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
AM,
I think you have to understand the convergence of forces here. The main drivers (so to speak) in this rush to self-driving vehicles are mostly high tech oriented companies, and what Silicone Valley (or ilk) want to see happen, will be heavily lobbied for.
But self-driving car technology will likely never be viable without ginormous investments in standardizing the nation’s road network so that the damn thing could even begin to work. Hence, it was considered crucial that any possible regulation be wrenched away from the control of the States (remember those?) and Federalized as in almost every other sphere (a thoroughly bi-partisan enterprise, I might add). The Interstate Commerce Clause prostituted yet again for the twin goals of aggrandizement of the commercial sector, and the ongoing centralization of governmental powers, the genuine Duopoly. This, crucially, clears the way to open up the sluice gates of Federal funds to implement this idiocy. In turn, it guarantees a massive and wide-ranging community of interest to support this; contractors, suppliers of road-building materials & any other things needed to make it run, construction workers, state governments relieved to be off the hook for funding for this project, you name it.
What’s in it for the high tech companies? I suspect that it is intellectual property that they can then rent for an ongoing stream of revenue. That’s what those motherfuckers always want; that you not be able to live your life, and to conduct your affairs without their beak stuck into your neck vein, and pivotally, to have this legally enforceable under intellectual property laws (crafted for this purpose). Oh, and you can bet that right on the heels of this will be indemnification from deaths, injuries, and property damages beyond narrowly circumscribed limitations. They don’t want liability to harsh their mellow, after all.
Ah, but what is in it for the Congress? An unending stream of bribery to keep it on track, or perhaps I should have said campaign contributions? That sounds ever so much better, don’t you think?
I am sure that I have missed other, important stuff. Yeah, come to think of it, there is also the enhancement to state surveillance that will accompany this next surrender of citizen agency. So, score.
I don't know if Trump will sign it and I don't know if it makes it through the Senate. But getting it so easily through the House doesn't make give me great feelings.
Actually, English is the way to bet. Even for Hispanics.
She herself gave birth to the second child, the daughter, in 2001, no idea who the father is, but she wasn't married to Generalova til about 2004.
She remarried another Russian, Darya Oreshkina, in Russia before 2013. Oreshkina gave birth to a boy in 2012, and Gessen has stated that his father is one of her own brothers. Since her two youngest brothers (from her father's second marriage) are still in high school, it must be the third brother, Keith (Konstantin), who was an Occutard on Wall St. He's on his second marriage too, to a woman.Replies: @inertial
Ah yes, Keith. The sane Gessen.
I believe I read - here actually - that Gessen's brother is the biological father of her lover's daughter. Jewish family values, anyone?Replies: @AnotherDad, @bored identity
I’m not in favor of “gay” ie. homo-marriage, homo adoption or homo anything. Sooner we figure out the biology and get rid of it the better.
However, if homos are out there doing some sort of reproduction–which i’m against–this strikes me as among the least bad alternatives. Essentially it’s a mom and an aunt raising a kid instead of a mom and a dad. That strikes me as better than mom and mom’s “sexual” partner. Of course, the problem remains that dad isn’t right there as he should be, and of course that lesbian relationships are even less stable than you’d predict from observing hetero women create relationship drama.
I think you have to understand the convergence of forces here. The main drivers (so to speak) in this rush to self-driving vehicles are mostly high tech oriented companies, and what Silicone Valley (or ilk) want to see happen, will be heavily lobbied for.
But self-driving car technology will likely never be viable without ginormous investments in standardizing the nation's road network so that the damn thing could even begin to work. Hence, it was considered crucial that any possible regulation be wrenched away from the control of the States (remember those?) and Federalized as in almost every other sphere (a thoroughly bi-partisan enterprise, I might add). The Interstate Commerce Clause prostituted yet again for the twin goals of aggrandizement of the commercial sector, and the ongoing centralization of governmental powers, the genuine Duopoly. This, crucially, clears the way to open up the sluice gates of Federal funds to implement this idiocy. In turn, it guarantees a massive and wide-ranging community of interest to support this; contractors, suppliers of road-building materials & any other things needed to make it run, construction workers, state governments relieved to be off the hook for funding for this project, you name it.
What's in it for the high tech companies? I suspect that it is intellectual property that they can then rent for an ongoing stream of revenue. That's what those motherfuckers always want; that you not be able to live your life, and to conduct your affairs without their beak stuck into your neck vein, and pivotally, to have this legally enforceable under intellectual property laws (crafted for this purpose). Oh, and you can bet that right on the heels of this will be indemnification from deaths, injuries, and property damages beyond narrowly circumscribed limitations. They don't want liability to harsh their mellow, after all.
Ah, but what is in it for the Congress? An unending stream of bribery to keep it on track, or perhaps I should have said campaign contributions? That sounds ever so much better, don't you think?
I am sure that I have missed other, important stuff. Yeah, come to think of it, there is also the enhancement to state surveillance that will accompany this next surrender of citizen agency. So, score.Replies: @AM
I know the concerns. That’s where my thoughts went. What if I don’t want a computer driving my car? Will I be given a choice in the future? Do I get to be liable for a car that I’m not actually driving and a navigation system didn’t want? Not if the Congress has it’s way.
I don’t know if Trump will sign it and I don’t know if it makes it through the Senate. But getting it so easily through the House doesn’t make give me great feelings.
Yes, The USA should commission a statue, a colossus, as a gift to Israel. A likeness of Sarah Silverman cast in bronze. The plinth should be engraved with the words of Jerry Seinfeld “the door’s open, we’ll take whoever you got”. And 20th Century Fox could make a movie with the Jewish merchant pounding his fists in the sands of Tel Aviv saying god damn you all to hell.
http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Masha-Gessen-650.jpgReplies: @anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @fish, @guest, @dr kill
That’s a man, baby!
I believe I read - here actually - that Gessen's brother is the biological father of her lover's daughter. Jewish family values, anyone?Replies: @AnotherDad, @bored identity
What happens in Gessens, stays in Gessens…
It goes to show that talent that is useful could, under different circumstances, be harmful. Germanic tribes were big and strong and useful to Romans as mercenaries... that is until they turned on Rome.Replies: @gcochran
” WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish.”
Before about 1880, with rare exceptions, Americans didn’t think about contemporary Jews at all.
Listen to an audio recording of her plans for the future and what families will look like.
It's unreal that a person with such extreme views is given a prominent position at the NYT.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Verymuchalive, @Yada yada
I’m a little confused….the NYT is run by Jews. I really don’t know what you expected.
Before about 1880, with rare exceptions, Americans didn't think about contemporary Jews at all.Replies: @Yada yada
And Jewish culture has always been anti-Christian….just ask Solzhenitsyn, the Poles, the Ukrainians, the Russians and the Lithuanians
Search for “James Bowery” or “Jim Bowery” and “citizen’s dividend”
This is interesting. Why don’t the rightists try to plant such attacks on liberal icons in the media? Not through their own channels, since that amounts to validating the basic premise of their enemies, but through the liberal channels. Sort of like sabotage.
You just didn’t think it through. The Dreamers arrived in the US as children. Presumably their parents were adults already at that point, moreover, adults whose mother tongue was something other than English. (Very few illegals are coming from English-speaking countries…) Why would they speak to their children in a language other than their mother tongue? I mean, a couple of Mexicans arrive in the US, and suddenly start speaking to their children in English?
I think the right thing to do would be to attach a well thought out version of the DACA amnesty to the RAISE act, and use it to help get the bill through Congress. If Trump has any sense then this is what he has in mind when he says he wants Congress to deal with the issue, but then Trump is always coming up with new ways to disappoint us...Replies: @AB-, @reiner Tor, @Daniel Chieh, @ben tillman, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Henry Bowman
The left is to blame.
They did not want a fence
They did not want to send them back when they got here
They wanted to give them all sorts of free stuff to them when they got here
They created the false promise that they would be able to stay here.
The left created this mess, they get to own it.
We can and are winning, never listen to the enemy, they will ALWAYS lie to you.
You asked about the kids, not the parents. The parents speaks to their children in Spanish (or whatever) and the children respond in English. This is very common.
Btw, if talent doesn't matter, why should any nation be deemed better than others? Isn't US considered better because of its talent pool? Indeed, the very reason why people want to come to the US is because there's the understanding that US wealth owes to its talented population(of mostly whites).
If talent doesn't matter, than nations without talent are just as fine as nations with talent. Equality. No need for those in untalented nations to move to talented nations. It doesn't matter. All people are equal. Okay, so Haiti has no talent. So what? Talent is elitist and exclusive. Haiti should be proud of its lack of talent and happily remain in untalent-land.
Why did Jews favor US as immigration destination? Wasn't it because it was founded and settled by a very talented people, the Anglos, who did a pretty great job? If Jews don't are about talent, why didn't they decide to emigrate to Bolivia or Peru or Bangladesh?
Also, didn't Jews wanna go to the US because its freedom and rule of law allowed talent to thrive?
They didn't want to go to a corrupt backward nation where talent is not rewarded and utilized. Since Jews have lots of talent, they wanted to go to a nation where talent could rise high.
And US was that nation because it took in talent. Its big mistake was bringing over lots of blacks with lower IQ. Good at sports and pop music but terrible at much else, and US paid a huge price with riots, welfare, crime, and destroyed cities. That's why talent matters. If the US since 1776 had taken in just ANY people from all over the world, it would have ended up like Latin America. Indeed, massive immigration from nations of low talent is turning the US into a lawless state. There is more division, more distrust, more breakdown of rule of law. Non-whites make corrupt demands for favoritism,and demoralized whites are falling through the cracks in the working class.
Also, elites seem to send mixed signals. They say the US in the 21st century is no longer an industrial economy but a information economy where BRAINS and CREATIVITY matters. Back in the 19th century and early 20th century, much of ability depended on farm work or factory work. Now, it's about high IQ and creativity. That being the case, why should the US take in lots of low IQ dummies? Elites say factory-days are over, and Trump is foolish to try to revive US manufacturing. What matters is 'creativity'. If so, why would we need lots of people of low talent? Unless they are added to welfare or serf status and used as Democratic voters or used as hate army against white Americans. Antiwa, or Anti-white.
Anyway, no nation can survive without rules of who gets in and who gets out. And the question is WHO gets to decide. Currently, the people who decide are hellbent on turning whites into a minority. Their main agenda is not being nice to immigrants but to undermine majority power. This is act of war by other means.
Suppose a bunch of Americans took over Mexico and told Mexicans that they have to take in endless numbers of Chinese, Hindus, and Africans. And if Mexicans ask the gringos, 'who are you to tell us what to do about immigration?', and gringos just call them 'haters'.
Owners of a house get to decide who gets in. If someone else in the house gets to decide, the owners are no longer owners. They are just doomed to be replaced and evicted. Americans used to see US as their home. Now, they are mere tenants living in Apartment USA. They no longer hold the title. And they are to be replaced.Replies: @njguy73, @Peter Grafström, @CCZ, @Opinionator
Excellent post.
working white immigrants to death at rates far higher thank black slaves died.
Can you provide a citation for this?
First, it's immoral for the victims of a crime to suffer at the hands of people who are at best neutral but in a biological sense are part and parcel of the criminals. Moreover, if you have to choose between the victims and the recipients of the proceeds of a crime, the victims' interests must come first.
Second, if it's so traumatic for a person to move, or to be forced to move, from one country to another, why did the parents change countries? Why did they force their children to change countries? Why are millions of immigrants streaming into this country as fast as they can? Your premise is false.
Moreover, if the premise were true, it would make all immigration immoral. Are any of the pro-DACA people pointing that out? Are they saying all immigration must stop because of the trauma it inflicts on the immigrants themselves? Of course not, because they don't rely on (or even believe) that premise. They're not making an argument at all. As always, they're using force and fraud to achieve their goals.Replies: @Opinionator
For the sake of developing your argument, what say you to the counter that in the one case the immigrants have chosen to move, while that element of choice is missing in the case of hypothetical DACA deportees.
Not so common unless they are born here or come at a very, very young age.
It only works if the parents are already quite fluent in English. But I personally have some experience with children answering in a different language, and I also know people who have such children. These children, when visiting the old country (where people don’t understand English or the language of the new country, or at any rate not very well) will just magically learn the old language the moment they set foot in the old country. You know, they have to know the language pretty well to understand what their parents say.
Of course, all of them were very small when arriving in the new country, or been born there. And it’s not even true of all such children, not even the majority.
A few small revisions and it reads much better.