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The famous Marshmallow Test was invented by Walter Mischel in Trinidad in the 1950s to answer his question of why the local Asian Indians tended to have more money than the local blacks: it turned out that Indian kids were better at delaying immediate gratification (getting one marshmallow NOW) in favor of getting a bigger payoff (two marshmallows later) than were black kids.
For some reason, this experimental tradition has not been cancelled from the psychology textbooks, although the original Trinidad version is not emphasized in favor of one later performed at Stanford. Instead, Mischel’s subsequent rationalization for his Trinidad finding — oh, it doesn’t have anything to do with race, it’s just that the Indian kids tend to come from intact two-parent homes while the black kids tend to come from single mother homes — has been accepted, by those few who have bothered to look into the origin of marshmallow test, as wholly explanatory.
Of course, a moment’s reflection should let you realize Mischel is just saying that the Indian kids’ parents passed their own adult version of the marshmallow test (sex after marriage) and the black kids’ parents failed (sex NOW).
From Psychological Science, a new version of the marshmallow test:
Cultures Crossing: The Power of Habit in Delaying Gratification
Kaichi Yanaoka, Laura E. Michaelson, Ryan Mori Guild, …
First Published June 24, 2022
https://doi.org/10.1177/09567976221074650Resisting immediate temptations in favor of larger later rewards predicts academic success, socioemotional competence, and health. These links with delaying gratification appear from early childhood and have been explained by cognitive and social factors that help override tendencies toward immediate gratification. However, some tendencies may actually promote delaying gratification. We assessed children’s delaying gratification for different rewards across two cultures that differ in customs around waiting. Consistent with our preregistered prediction, results showed that children in Japan (n = 80) delayed gratification longer for food than for gifts, whereas children in the United States (n = 58) delayed longer for gifts than for food. This interaction may reflect cultural differences: Waiting to eat is emphasized more in Japan than in the United States,
One reason the Japanese aren’t as fat as us.
whereas waiting to open gifts is emphasized more in the United States than in Japan.
Waiting to open presents on Christmas (and to a lesser extent on birthdays) is a memorable part of American culture for American kids. The postwar Japanese do Christmas to some extent — it’s not like the immediate postwar era when an enthusiastic but confused Japanese department store celebrated Christmas by nailing Santa to a cross. But it’s not as huge as Christmas in the U.S.
My guess is that most presents in Japanese culture are brought by visitors and it is considered polite to immediately open them and act excited over them.
But what if the gift is a fancy department store melon? Are you supposed to show your appreciation by immediately cutting it up and eating it on the spot with your guest? Or would that imply that you can’t delay gratification for food, which would be shaming? Would it be shaming to imply your guest can’t delay gratification either? But then why bring melons? As you can see, there is much I don’t understand about Japanese culture.
These findings suggest that culturally specific habits support delaying gratification, providing a new way to understand why individuals delay gratification and why this behavior predicts life success.
Inculcating habits is a very good thing. I suspect American society is getting worse at it.
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OT — HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.salon.com/2022/07/21/how-in-gods-name-are-the-democrats-still-losing-even-after-jan-6-hearings-and-roe/
How in God’s name are the Democrats still losing even after the illegitimate Jan 6th hearings and losing Roe and Afghanistan and the Begging Tour and starting a war of not even planning to win with Russia and the crime wave and giving up energy independence? Maybe it really is the economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5Ltrgd5VsReplies: @AndrewR, @J.Ross
On the other hand, remember the kind of people who read Salon. Or Vox. Or the NY Bagel, etc.
Urubando rejendo:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/santa-cross/
DID JAPANESE WORKERS REALLY GET THEIR SYMBOLS MIXED UP AND DISPLAY SANTA ON A CRUCIFIX? Tim Willis reports on the urban myth that refuses to die
Japan ‘Santa Crucified’ Christmas Meme
No, Japan did not have a Christmas display of crucified Santas in a department store.
Was Santa Claus nailed to a cross? Yes and No…
About as valid as the claim that the resurrected Jesus made it to Aomori, married, and lived to 106.
The first Jewish samurai?
The marshmallow test was supposedly debunked in a later test that found that socioeconomic status (i.e., class, i.e., parental job status, parental educational attainment, and family income) was mostly behind the difference.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmallow-test/561779/
It’s amazing that in this study from just a few years ago they didn’t realize that SES is a confounder, and that both SES and time preference are associated with, for instance, child and parental IQ. Of course, nobody in this new study was given any sort of cognitive ability evaluation. Charles Murray’s Human Diversity went into the research support for a biological basis for class.
The original marshmallowers have been followed up longitudinally, and the delayers got higher SAT scores, and stayed in school longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
There are basically two kinds of people in the world as far as motivation/need for achievement goes: Those who strive to make something realistic of themselves, and those who don’t much care. Motivational psychologists have long been inventing experiments to distinguish one from the other. Back when I was in college (a psych major, don’t hate me please), the McClelland Ring Toss Experiment was current, quick, and cool, and you can try it at home. As you have already guessed, the experimental subject who sets the target post at an intermediate distance is the one who favors meaningful, realistic challenges.
What the marshmallow test gets translated into is a proxy for career success, criminal activity, or teen pregnancy.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Bill Jones, @Inquiring Mind
The internet and electronic devices have destroyed our brains.
I met some high-achieving Asian-American young adults recently. Reading (reading print books) was their favorite hobby. There’s hope.
We've subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won't get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books - I read every night and it's nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.Replies: @Drive-by poster, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Guest007
Best of all, it mentions some other books (Proust and the Squid being one of them) that delve more deeply into literacy and how the brain processes written language.
Great stuff. I am grateful to you for bringing it to my attention.
I suppose there’s two levels of fitness being tested here. One is purely biological, in which sense the absent black fathers have won – they’ve passed on their genes and don’t have to invest in the kids they’ve made (and in fact there’s a strange white man feeding them free marshmallows for some reason). They were likely off making other bastards while the test was running. But from a social sense the Indian parents have clearly prevailed – they’ve created a situation in which their children can be the beneficiaries of a double dose of parental investment which would in turn make them better resource-acquirers. And I’d bet that the Indian kids grew up to be better at supporting their parents in old age. More than one probably took his marshmallows home to share with ol’ Mom and Dad like a good Indian boy would do.
Neither India nor Africa are underpopulated, and although pre-colonial India was probably more functional than pre-colonial Subsaharan Africa, I doubt either was a paragon of good order. I suppose the difference in mating strategies becomes pronounced within the structure of a modern Western society (a serial colony of European Imperial powers).
I officially think Steve is the smartest man on earth
From your link.
So would be a direct product of the whole Malthusian death struggle?
The less industrious & thrifty get culled. So the “nose to the grindstone” types reproduce and become the predominant population.
Similar to what Gregory Clark proposed for the English in his book “A Farwell to Alms.”
https://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/08/greg-clarks-farewell-to-alms.html
I believe the Indian Subcontinent and China were historically more afflicted by famines than Europe, but it was Europe (specifically Western Europe) that leapfrogged the rest of the world.
Now we’re seeing East Asia rise to global predominance. India’s general population was subject to the same extreme Malthusian selection, but doesn’t demonstrate the same cognitive profile or economic dynamism.
So it’s possible that different traits were selected for in different populations.
However, another obvious issue is that India's caste system inhibits the social mobility that aids eugenic selection--i.e. genes for intelligence, conscientiousness, cooperation and other civilized traits working through and growing in the population.
Christianity, by breaking tribalism, aided this in Europe. And the most successful Euro societies were the ones in the West which moved toward being "one people-ish" enabling genes and skills for civilization to flow throughout their population. China also was much more one-people-ish than India and allowed similar gene flow.
Marshmallows. How quaint.
Experiment needs to be updated. The Shoe Test.
FIGHTING OVER THE LAST PAIR OF NIKES AT HOOD LOCKER
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Inculcating good habits is a good thing.
I’m afraid that the USA is making it easier to live with bad habits.
Is there anything American society is getting better at?
Unless we are intending to be food for famished arriving alien armada, I don’t see it.
Meh. This is more circular junk science. Sample X is slightly different than Sample Y. Therefore, we conclude “culture” (which can include pretty much anything and everything, anyway) must somehow be the cause. Our proof: It just kinda feels like the right story (besides, we didn’t consider any alternative).
As far as genetic causation is concerned, Rushton’s R-K evolutionary hypothesis predicts Asian-White-Black differences in self-discipline exist due to environmental factors favoring long term reproductive strategies (longer life-spans, fewer children, more investment per child) vs. short term strategies (shorter life spans, more kids, less investment per child). https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0191886988901353
Most people do strive in a couple of areas and do not strive in others. Think of the people who are driven careerist but have no hobbies and three divorces. Compare that to the person content in their current occupational position but coaches little league, is a deacon of a church or has been married for decades. Would one consider Elon Musk’s nine children with four women a success of a striver or a failure of a hedonist?
What the marshmallow test gets translated into is a proxy for career success, criminal activity, or teen pregnancy.
Musk's children do not live in such a world.
Mr. Musk is African American.
Which provision of which constitution (the Illinois state constitution, or the federal constitution?) does this technology violate, and how?
Japan has a Christmas tradition of KFC:
https://www.jrailpass.com/blog/christmas-in-japan#:~:text=KFC%3A%20Japan%27s%20biggest%20Christmas%20meal,-Every%20Christmas%2C%20an%20estimated
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Did they do the marshmallow test in Israel? Are Jews more or less impulsive than their gentile counterparts?
Neither India nor Africa are underpopulated, and although pre-colonial India was probably more functional than pre-colonial Subsaharan Africa, I doubt either was a paragon of good order. I suppose the difference in mating strategies becomes pronounced within the structure of a modern Western society (a serial colony of European Imperial powers).Replies: @Kaz
Pre-Colonial India did have a semblance of civilizational progression and human achievement in mathematics and engineering.
In Japan the Christmas tradition is KFC:
Harpo Marx in his autobiography wrote that as a child he could never hide money well enough that Chico wouldn’t find it and steal it. So Harpo learned to spend any money he had then and there. Deferring for the future requires confidence in the future, and the futures of some should not rationally be trusted to reward anything.
Where’s Dian Fossey when we need her?
This psychological mumbo jumbo sounds like more wascally White folks’ tricknology against righteous blechpipo.
I found out recently that even these “second chances” that Wyfolx be giving young bleck maines are nothing but a trap, leading to their murder.
Case in point: Mr. Ty’Reek D. Young of Macon, Georgia. Young was killed last Friday at the age of 17.
A few years ago, at 14, Ty’Reek (who, judging by his name, was evidently conceived while an Odor-Eaters infomercial played on TV) decided to let off a bit of steam, as young boys are wont to do. He participated in two armed carjackings–at least, he was arrested for two. Who knows what else he didn’t get caught for.
He was able to cut a plea for a reduced sentence, and was released with time served in May. Then less than three months later, his second chance ended when he was shot in the head while “hanging out.”
That damned second chance done kilt tha’ Reek! Oh Lawdy! Why couldn’t dey puts him in de’ jail?
“Inculcating habits is a very good thing. I suspect American society is getting worse at it.”
Scoldy Steve: Reading 19th century chix lit and shaking his finger at the stoned for putting marshmellows in their hot cocoa.
Thanks to the legacy of the many gods of the Vedics. One of them was an elephant.
I did like this bit:
Though it might be germane to mention birth control too.
Brasphemy!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/santa-cross/
DID JAPANESE WORKERS REALLY GET THEIR SYMBOLS MIXED UP AND DISPLAY SANTA ON A CRUCIFIX? Tim Willis reports on the urban myth that refuses to die
Japan ‘Santa Crucified’ Christmas Meme
No, Japan did not have a Christmas display of crucified Santas in a department store.
Was Santa Claus nailed to a cross? Yes and No…
About as valid as the claim that the resurrected Jesus made it to Aomori, married, and lived to 106.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7gwzBsL3leM/TrJk6gZGwuI/AAAAAAAAS1M/N9AzELMpTfQ/s1600/jesus-1.jpgReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Escher
“the resurrected Jesus made it to Aomori, married, and lived to 106.”
The first Jewish samurai?
See, also:
https://youtu.be/umHfb1JHovAReplies: @Charon, @AceDeuce
A lot of Christians in Japan, are there?
https://www.primematters.com/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/2021-07/urakami-cathedral-service-1500x1000.jpg?h=06ac0d8c&itok=QhgDBbff
Didn’t work in Israel. They kept stealing all the other kids marshmallows. I’m kidding. In reality, the Jewish kids ran diversity seminars for the goyish kids to teach them about Marshmallow Privilege and why they should be happy to give up their marshmallows. And their houses.
What the marshmallow test gets translated into is a proxy for career success, criminal activity, or teen pregnancy.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Bill Jones, @Inquiring Mind
This is an excellent observation. Most of us have limited energy and focus, no matter how well we might have done in other aspects of the genetic lottery. And it’s worth stopping and thinking about which ones really pay off in terms of both personal satisfaction, and usefulness to others.
I know this sounds platitudinous and banal, but it’s roundly ignored by many, many people. It especially saddens me to see so many Christians seemingly unable to connect their (often sincere) belief that they and their lives belong to God, and that they’re accountable to Him, with the actual plans they make for their own education, careers, and lives in general. The human ability to compartmentalize and live with almost total internal contradiction is astonishing.
There are only so many hours in the day and people working 7 to 7 do not have the time or energy to have a lot of hobbies. However, in listening to a pod cast about professional video game players, it is a 70 hours a week job.
Meanwhile, negroes and negresses beat and rob an apparent Eurasian family behind Sleeping Beauty’s Castle at Disneyland. I guess the eurasians calling them monkeys and savages after the brawl will make it harder for lefties to pick a side,
So far, it doesn’t look like any of the negroes were held accountable, although they put one of the apparent eurasians in the hospital.
In any case, Disneyland has clearly devolved into a third world shithole, and parents would be well advised to avoid going anywhere near the “Shittiest Place in Anaheim” with their children, because, as this video demonstrates, there will be nobody there to help you if you fall under negro attack:
https://vimeo.com/731938950
https://wdwnt.com/2022/07/update-guest-involved-in-magic-kingdom-brawl-reveals-story-more-footage/
White lady at the end only one with sense.
I would just get out of there, let the store staff sort it out.
Often it’s the opposite. You don’t open a gift until later, especially if others not involved in the gifting are present, or if there is a risk that the gift could cause the giver to lose face due to being too cheap, too expensive, wrong kind, etc
100%. This past Xmas I finally caved and let two of my kids have iPads (I think every other kid their age already had one) and the result was significantly worse academic performance in the 2nd semester. I chalk this up to a) shoddier homework due to them wanting to just race through it to get at their iPads, and b) they read significantly less on their own time. Both of them previously had consistently strong NWEA scores but fell to very pedestrian scores.
We’ve subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won’t get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books – I read every night and it’s nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.
(I mention this because I wonder if there isn't a third factor at play in what you are seeing.)
The gist of the study was that information off the printed page was retained longer by the brain. I do not recall the exact mechanism, but it was something along the lines of, "the brain works harder to engage print vs. e-text, therefore it retains print information longer."
Of course, I may not have the exact details right (how long has it been since you saw the word "CD-ROM"?). One thing I do know for certain: I tend to read etext when I am reading for information, but print when I am reading for pleasure.
(Perhaps it has to do with books being a treat for both the eyes and the hands?)Replies: @Arclight
Harsh, but true.Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @recently_based
But what if the gift is a fancy department store melon?
Nail it to a cross. Should cover all the bases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7goy3FR4YI
==QUOTE== the “unconstitutional and discriminatory” ShotSpotter technology ==UNQUOTE==
Which provision of which constitution (the Illinois state constitution, or the federal constitution?) does this technology violate, and how?
Nail it to a cross. Should cover all the bases.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
“With a melon??”
We've subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won't get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books - I read every night and it's nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.Replies: @Drive-by poster, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Guest007
Back when CD-ROMs were a big deal, I dimly remember someone doing a study concerning which medium conveyed the most information: etext or print. If I remember correctly, the finding was that the human mind engages differently with text off a screen vs. printed text.
(I mention this because I wonder if there isn’t a third factor at play in what you are seeing.)
The gist of the study was that information off the printed page was retained longer by the brain. I do not recall the exact mechanism, but it was something along the lines of, “the brain works harder to engage print vs. e-text, therefore it retains print information longer.”
Of course, I may not have the exact details right (how long has it been since you saw the word “CD-ROM”?). One thing I do know for certain: I tend to read etext when I am reading for information, but print when I am reading for pleasure.
(Perhaps it has to do with books being a treat for both the eyes and the hands?)
Similarly, I feel that there is still value for younger students in physically writing out papers (or at least the first drafts) rather than relying exclusively on a word processing program. While the latter is theoretically faster, the quality suffers in my experience, not to mention a lot of students are way too reliant on autocorrect and make routine spelling errors as a result when using a pencil and paper.
She has a point, certainly, but perhaps yelling at blex about the error of their ways is not such a good idea.
I would just get out of there, let the store staff sort it out.
But what if the gift is a
I had read that nobody actually eats the melons. They’re given much as flowers are – for show.
Fun fact: Watermelons are also very popular in Japan. A woman with whom I became close to while in Japan told me that horny teenage boys often buy watermelons, allow them to warm in the sun, then cut a hole in the rind and use it as a romantic partner, if you get my drift.
Ah so, indeed.
My guess is that most presents in Japanese culture are brought by visitors and it is considered polite to immediately open them and act excited over them.
Opposite.
Shot Spotter is like a lot of high-tech brain trust attempts to sneak around reality in that it fundamebtally doesn’t work.
https://www.salon.com/2022/07/21/how-in-gods-name-are-the-democrats-still-losing-even-after-jan-6-hearings-and-roe/
How in God's name are the Democrats still losing even after the illegitimate Jan 6th hearings and losing Roe and Afghanistan and the Begging Tour and starting a war of not even planning to win with Russia and the crime wave and giving up energy independence? Maybe it really is the economy.Replies: @Abe, @Prester John
A couple of Russian JERKY BOYS crank call Stephen King. I’m not sure which is funnier- King’s lil’ (The)Ukraine hat, his completely volitional praising of Ukranian Nazi OG Stefan Bandera, or the fact that the crank caller’s ridiculously over-the-top Boris Badanov accent is still not enough to clue King onto what is really happening-
Doesn’t that simply beg a further question – why do Indians kids come from intact homes, but black kids don’t?
This is an odd claim. In East Asia, including Japan, it’s considered impolite to open a gift immediately upon being presented with it, especially in front of other people. One is supposed to try to refuse a few times, then reluctantly accept it, express gratitude, and open it later without others around.
When I first came to America, I was a bit surprised here that people immediately opened gifts given to them (no one ever declined) in front of everyone, followed exuberantly by “Oh, thank you, thank you. I love it!”
Where the original marshmallow test carried a clear and highly relevant message, this thing about waiting for food vs waiting for gifts strikes me as trivial and forgettable.
To the extent that the newer paper sucks attention away from the older one, it’ll have the effect of the New York Times technique of presenting the most boring part of a not-favorable-to-the-narrative-story first.
Most marshmallows aren’t Kosher.
We can see the mental wreckage all around us. As for me, I now find it astounding that in the pre-internet era I was able to focus on a single task for three or four hours at a time.
But I thought this book was kind of tedious and obvious.
Si. You underestimate the power of the colonel in Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5Ltrgd5VsReplies: @AndrewR, @J.Ross
Stephen King’s face is more horrifying than any book he’s ever written. I struggle to think of an uglier famous person, and that includes Lori Lightfoot and Tanehisi Coates
Actually, research was done on this matter almost 60 years ago, Steve, with the scientist concluding, “Why We Can’t Wait.” Researcher, M.L. King Jr.
Those gals definitely need some exercise. Good pair of walking shoes are important.
I thought that the opposite was true, and that it was considered polite in Japan to not open a gift in front of the giver.
We need an expert in Japanese etiquette.
The less industrious & thrifty get culled. So the "nose to the grindstone" types reproduce and become the predominant population.
Similar to what Gregory Clark proposed for the English in his book "A Farwell to Alms."
https://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/08/greg-clarks-farewell-to-alms.htmlI believe the Indian Subcontinent and China were historically more afflicted by famines than Europe, but it was Europe (specifically Western Europe) that leapfrogged the rest of the world.
Now we're seeing East Asia rise to global predominance. India's general population was subject to the same extreme Malthusian selection, but doesn't demonstrate the same cognitive profile or economic dynamism.
So it's possible that different traits were selected for in different populations.Replies: @AnotherDad
Your last sentence is no doubt true.
However, another obvious issue is that India’s caste system inhibits the social mobility that aids eugenic selection–i.e. genes for intelligence, conscientiousness, cooperation and other civilized traits working through and growing in the population.
Christianity, by breaking tribalism, aided this in Europe. And the most successful Euro societies were the ones in the West which moved toward being “one people-ish” enabling genes and skills for civilization to flow throughout their population. China also was much more one-people-ish than India and allowed similar gene flow.
Yeah, but than these “one-people-ish” polities run into conflicts with empires, confederations, or others with lots of allies (the greatest example being the Romans) and get crushed.
Catholicism, specifically.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/09/joseph-henrich-explores-weird-societies/
We've subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won't get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books - I read every night and it's nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.Replies: @Drive-by poster, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Guest007
That’s the price they pay for having a buddy who wants to be liked, instead of a father.
Harsh, but true.
In another world this would lead to a Lynchian comedy sketch.
Unless we are intending to be food for famished arriving alien armada, I don't see it.Replies: @Rob McX
Either of the women fighting over the Nikes in the video would feed a family of Mestizos for a month.
What the marshmallow test gets translated into is a proxy for career success, criminal activity, or teen pregnancy.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Bill Jones, @Inquiring Mind
Social norms regarding child-rearing seem to be driven by the need to ensure the survival and success of the child in a world of competition for scarce resources.
Musk’s children do not live in such a world.
Personally I can defer eating a marshmallow forever and a day. Foul bloody things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5Ltrgd5VsReplies: @AndrewR, @J.Ross
There’s an argument that King wrote his best stuff on drugs, but I wonder if he’s clean now that he’s a wealthy protected blue checkmark? Maybe the street drugs enabled him to access the celebrity prescription service.
See, also:
https://youtu.be/umHfb1JHovAReplies: @Charon, @AceDeuce
I was in Hiroshima some time ago–there’s (or at least was) a KFC complete with 4 foot tall Col. Sanders statue in front–right next to Peace Park/Ground Zero (insert “extra-crispy” joke here).
Besides KFC for Xmas in Japland, the other must have is “Christmas Cake”–also an import. It’s usually a sponge cake w/ whipped cream and strawberries.
“Christmas Cake” is also a nickname for unmarried women in Japan–the common thread is, after the “26th” (26th of December for the cake, 26th year of age for the girl), no one wants either of them any more.
“Smartest gink I know” https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2019-12-13.html#07c (quoting the great Warren Harding on Herbert Hoover).
Eventually I followed a similar trajectory as the neocons, from Jewish leftist to a child of the right, except instead of supporting endless wars, I became a reader of Steve sailer and Unz. I think Steve and Chomsky are on par intellectually, and when you aggregate Steve’s blog output, I would venture to guess it may match The volume Chomsky’s published works. I still have immense respect for Chomsky and would love to see a debate between the two of them
Good point. And reading through the post and comments I haven’t yet come up with any mention of one key component of this issue that is sadly receding rapidly in the country today: Trust.
https://www.salon.com/2022/07/21/how-in-gods-name-are-the-democrats-still-losing-even-after-jan-6-hearings-and-roe/
How in God's name are the Democrats still losing even after the illegitimate Jan 6th hearings and losing Roe and Afghanistan and the Begging Tour and starting a war of not even planning to win with Russia and the crime wave and giving up energy independence? Maybe it really is the economy.Replies: @Abe, @Prester John
Ya think?
On the other hand, remember the kind of people who read Salon. Or Vox. Or the NY Bagel, etc.
(I mention this because I wonder if there isn't a third factor at play in what you are seeing.)
The gist of the study was that information off the printed page was retained longer by the brain. I do not recall the exact mechanism, but it was something along the lines of, "the brain works harder to engage print vs. e-text, therefore it retains print information longer."
Of course, I may not have the exact details right (how long has it been since you saw the word "CD-ROM"?). One thing I do know for certain: I tend to read etext when I am reading for information, but print when I am reading for pleasure.
(Perhaps it has to do with books being a treat for both the eyes and the hands?)Replies: @Arclight
When I have a document that needs careful review, I still always print it out – I find that my retention is better and if I am making notes it’s a lot easier to flip through actual paper than scrolling through an electronic copy. My family got me a Kindle when those were relatively new because I travel somewhat often for work, but I didn’t enjoy reading off it at all and went back to real books.
Similarly, I feel that there is still value for younger students in physically writing out papers (or at least the first drafts) rather than relying exclusively on a word processing program. While the latter is theoretically faster, the quality suffers in my experience, not to mention a lot of students are way too reliant on autocorrect and make routine spelling errors as a result when using a pencil and paper.
Excellent!
Not after we took aim at their Christian capital.
We've subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won't get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books - I read every night and it's nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.Replies: @Drive-by poster, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Guest007
Good job, Dad. It’s hard work swimming against the current but your kids will appreciate it in the long run
Harsh, but true.Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @recently_based
Pretty dickish comment since Arclight noted he made adjustments and limited their time on the devices. There’s no need for friendly fire takeouts when the real problems are elsewhere.
“Instead, Mischel’s subsequent rationalization for his Trinidad finding — oh, it doesn’t have anything to do with race, it’s just that the Indian kids tend to come from intact two-parent homes while the black kids tend to come from single mother homes — has been accepted, by those few who have bothered to look into the origin of marshmallow test, as wholly explanatory.”
Mr. Sailer, the experiment has been replicated several times, including with white kids from a similar background as those Trinidad kids. Both groups neglected to delay gratification, thus suggesting environment plays a prominent role.
His results focused psychologists, early-childhood educators and parents on the key role that self-regulation and executive function can play in a child’s prospects, and on the need to nurture those skills.
Remember, Mischel’s test focused on 90 kids ages 3 to 5. His Stanford study had kids from generally wealthy households with two parents, and a number of the children demonstrated they lacked the fortitude to self regulate.
NOTICE that there was a study that scrutinized Mischel’s work.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797618761661
The researchers adjusted the experimental design in important ways: They used a sample that was much larger—more than 900 children—and also more representative of the general population in terms of race, ethnicity, and parents’ education. The researchers also, when analyzing their test’s results, controlled for certain factors—such as the income of a child’s household—that might explain children’s ability to delay gratification and their long-term success.
This study also found that among kids whose mothers had a college degree, those who waited for a second marshmallow did no better in the long run—in terms of standardized test scores and mothers’ reports of their children’s behavior—than those who snagged the marshmallow right away.
Similarly, among kids whose mothers lacked college degrees, those who waited did no better than those who gave in to temptation, once other factors like household income and the child’s home environment at age 3 (evaluated according to a standard research measure that notes, for instance, the number of books that researchers observed in the home and how responsive mothers were to their children in the researchers’ presence) were taken into account. For those children, self-control alone could not overcome economic and social disadvantages.
Marshmallows are not meaningful in modern times. Kids have all kinds of sweets, particularly low income kids with single parents. They and parents are often fat and eat crap food.
Asian cultures stress self control and delayed rewards. Why do you think school libraries are stuffed with them on Friday nights?
Blacks, not so much. Few read anything not seen on a cell phone screen. Also low IQ people of all kinds.
My own family parents background had zero college grads and broken homes. Though all of their children did have college degrees and lived productive and crime free lives. Poor people who raise kids with good values, and who develop those habits, succeed in America. Why do you think the world's mostly poor people want to flock here? The welfare state is better in Europe.Replies: @Corvinus
I realize that many famous and ambitious people lie. If a historian is publishing multiple books a year like Doris Kearns Goodwin or Stephen E. Ambrose, they are using assistants and ghost writers and function more like a grand name. James Patterson is open about having others write his books. Any time I saw an interview with a four star general and the general bragged about their hobbies, I knew that the obsessive-compulsive workaholic was lying.
There are only so many hours in the day and people working 7 to 7 do not have the time or energy to have a lot of hobbies. However, in listening to a pod cast about professional video game players, it is a 70 hours a week job.
We've subsequently limited usage for the summer and when the new school year starts they won't get to use them during the week. Also implemented is mandatory reading time every night, which gratifyingly resulted in them rediscovering their previous love of books - I read every night and it's nice to have them plop down next to me with their own books.Replies: @Drive-by poster, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost, @Guest007
One might want to read the book “Parenting to a Degree” about the different types of helicopter parents versus paramedic parents versus bystander parents. Telling one’s kids to read is harder than discussing literature with them.
This is the feminizing/demasculinizing of America. Toughness, asceticism, austerity, self-discipline are masculine, and specifically Yankee/Cavalier/European masculine traits. We’re not allowed to teach them, instill them, notice them or demand them, because that’s perpetuating The Patriarchy. Charles Murray covered the phenomenon – America’s upper class is conservative in their personal habits but is not allowed to preach or demand the same of others, including their own kids. We’re not allowed to praise tough people for their self-discipline nor shame people for their lack of it. We’re supposed to pretend that Raj Chetty proved that how you do in life is determined by the zip code you grew up in. We’re not supposed to notice that Elon Musk lived in his office and wrote code 7 days a week for years before he sold his first company for $100M.
What the marshmallow test gets translated into is a proxy for career success, criminal activity, or teen pregnancy.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Bill Jones, @Inquiring Mind
Nine children with four women?
Mr. Musk is African American.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/santa-cross/
DID JAPANESE WORKERS REALLY GET THEIR SYMBOLS MIXED UP AND DISPLAY SANTA ON A CRUCIFIX? Tim Willis reports on the urban myth that refuses to die
Japan ‘Santa Crucified’ Christmas Meme
No, Japan did not have a Christmas display of crucified Santas in a department store.
Was Santa Claus nailed to a cross? Yes and No…
About as valid as the claim that the resurrected Jesus made it to Aomori, married, and lived to 106.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7gwzBsL3leM/TrJk6gZGwuI/AAAAAAAAS1M/N9AzELMpTfQ/s1600/jesus-1.jpgReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Escher
Maybe he was the founding member of the Ainu people.
I'm afraid that the USA is making it easier to live with bad habits.Replies: @whathappens
It’s always easier to indulge your own laziness, rudeness, etc. Nowadays, that sort of thing is praised and encouraged, and anyone who objects is condemned. Remember that things like punctuality, precision, and politeness are part of white supremacy.
When I first came to America, I was a bit surprised here that people immediately opened gifts given to them (no one ever declined) in front of everyone, followed exuberantly by "Oh, thank you, thank you. I love it!"Replies: @Bill Jones
In cultures where acceptable gifts includes the severed head of an enemy, one can see why that would make sense.
Maybe the black child choosing one marshmallow isn’t so irrational after all because he knows he can have his cake and eat it too.
All he has to do is claim that the person who got 2 marshmallows is a racist and get a politician to take one of his marshmallows.
And if that fails, he can always hit the racist over the head and take it.
Force the issue: Bring flowers.
A small employer could give two tests to a new hire:
First, leave a $10 somewhere (during lunch break) near the new hire’s work space.Where no other employees can see it.
If they ask others/employer about it, turn it it, great. If not, perhaps not very honest.
Second, offer a $20 cash bonus if they have no unexcused absences for the first two weeks. A $50 bonus if they have the same for the first month.
You will quickly learn about delayed gratification.
I suspect the data about hires will not be racially random. Or educationally random. Or most of the things that the Woke HR Karens are trying to pretend don’t exist.
This is why prison populations are not racially random either. And no, it’s not due to Systemic Racism.
Just another fake “social science” outcome by the Russell Sage Foundation (I believe). A notorious left-liberal outfit.
Marshmallows are not meaningful in modern times. Kids have all kinds of sweets, particularly low income kids with single parents. They and parents are often fat and eat crap food.
Asian cultures stress self control and delayed rewards. Why do you think school libraries are stuffed with them on Friday nights?
Blacks, not so much. Few read anything not seen on a cell phone screen. Also low IQ people of all kinds.
My own family parents background had zero college grads and broken homes. Though all of their children did have college degrees and lived productive and crime free lives. Poor people who raise kids with good values, and who develop those habits, succeed in America. Why do you think the world’s mostly poor people want to flock here? The welfare state is better in Europe.
Mr. Sailer routinely relies on these studies to support his position. Is that also “fake”?
More importantly, you are going to have to demonstrate how and why these outcome is “fake”, rather than just offer your opinion.
Harsh, but true.Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @recently_based
You’re being an ass. Harsh, but true.
How much do you wanna bet that a parental strategy of “start my kids off reading, at some point let them try an iPad and when it hurts their academic performance remove it within 6 months and get them back to reading more” turns out to pretty effective?
So far, it doesn’t look like any of the negroes were held accountable, although they put one of the apparent eurasians in the hospital.
In any case, Disneyland has clearly devolved into a third world shithole, and parents would be well advised to avoid going anywhere near the "Shittiest Place in Anaheim" with their children, because, as this video demonstrates, there will be nobody there to help you if you fall under negro attack:
https://vimeo.com/731938950
https://wdwnt.com/2022/07/update-guest-involved-in-magic-kingdom-brawl-reveals-story-more-footage/Replies: @recently_based
Apparently, the girl in the Eurasian family left the line to get her phone and when she came back to re-join her family, the black family wouldn’t let her and pushed her back. Hijinks ensued. Three of the black family were apparently arrested.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-injured-three-arrested-disney-world-brawl-rcna39499
The NBC news story on this brawl links to another one abut another brawl at at Disneyland in 2019, with video of a very WASPy-looking family brawling with a bunch of Japanese tourists: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-family-members-viral-disneyland-brawl-video-face-criminal-charges-n1033031
I used to think Chomsky was the smartest intellectual alive. His working memory, the breadth and depth of Information, and the ease with which he could Intellectually disarm pretty much any challenger (see his Foucault debate) were highly impressive. The fact that he has published over 90 books, and published countless interviews and articles only added to his godlike status in my mind.
Eventually I followed a similar trajectory as the neocons, from Jewish leftist to a child of the right, except instead of supporting endless wars, I became a reader of Steve sailer and Unz. I think Steve and Chomsky are on par intellectually, and when you aggregate Steve’s blog output, I would venture to guess it may match The volume Chomsky’s published works. I still have immense respect for Chomsky and would love to see a debate between the two of them
I found out recently that even these "second chances" that Wyfolx be giving young bleck maines are nothing but a trap, leading to their murder.
Case in point: Mr. Ty'Reek D. Young of Macon, Georgia. Young was killed last Friday at the age of 17.
A few years ago, at 14, Ty'Reek (who, judging by his name, was evidently conceived while an Odor-Eaters infomercial played on TV) decided to let off a bit of steam, as young boys are wont to do. He participated in two armed carjackings--at least, he was arrested for two. Who knows what else he didn't get caught for.
He was able to cut a plea for a reduced sentence, and was released with time served in May. Then less than three months later, his second chance ended when he was shot in the head while "hanging out."
That damned second chance done kilt tha' Reek! Oh Lawdy! Why couldn't dey puts him in de' jail?Replies: @Veteran Aryan
Ever notice how a certain group of people, while loudly proclaiming their innocence, tend to adopt a very high pitch? Perhaps they intuit that it will make them seem less threatening. I refer to this as the “Lawdy, Lawdy!” strategy.
Apparently fruit shaping has been a trend in the Orient for a while now. They’re pretty pricey, and sold under ripe so that they last longer – definitely not edible.
Marshmallows are not meaningful in modern times. Kids have all kinds of sweets, particularly low income kids with single parents. They and parents are often fat and eat crap food.
Asian cultures stress self control and delayed rewards. Why do you think school libraries are stuffed with them on Friday nights?
Blacks, not so much. Few read anything not seen on a cell phone screen. Also low IQ people of all kinds.
My own family parents background had zero college grads and broken homes. Though all of their children did have college degrees and lived productive and crime free lives. Poor people who raise kids with good values, and who develop those habits, succeed in America. Why do you think the world's mostly poor people want to flock here? The welfare state is better in Europe.Replies: @Corvinus
“Just another fake “social science” outcome by the Russell Sage Foundation (I believe). A notorious left-liberal outfit.“
Mr. Sailer routinely relies on these studies to support his position. Is that also “fake”?
More importantly, you are going to have to demonstrate how and why these outcome is “fake”, rather than just offer your opinion.
Recently I asked my mother for her nominee for Ugliest Man in Hollywood. Without hesitation, she replied, “Ron Perlman.”
Thank you for mentioning this book. I found it to be of particular interest because it came out in 2011 and talks briefly about the then-relatively new phenomenon of social media in a way that would be difficult to do today because it has become so pervasive.
Best of all, it mentions some other books (Proust and the Squid being one of them) that delve more deeply into literacy and how the brain processes written language.
Great stuff. I am grateful to you for bringing it to my attention.
Isnt he the elderly jew whose head Trump lives in rentfree?
The gift melons you speak of are mainly cantaloupe/honeydew types.
Fun fact: Watermelons are also very popular in Japan. A woman with whom I became close to while in Japan told me that horny teenage boys often buy watermelons, allow them to warm in the sun, then cut a hole in the rind and use it as a romantic partner, if you get my drift.
Ah so, indeed.