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The New York Times follows up on a story I covered a few weeks ago about how a high quality Broadway musical based on part of War and Peace called Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 has been driven off the stage and out of business.
The cause?
A ridiculous Diversity Dispute about how the show was trying to whitewash Tolstoy by having Broadway legend Mandy Patinkin (Evita, Sondheim’s Sunday Afternoon in the Park with George) replace an African actor, Okieriete Onaodowan (previously James Madison in Hamilton), who had failed to attract audiences after he had replaced Josh Groban.
Race, Money and Broadway: How ‘Great Comet’ Burned Out
By MICHAEL PAULSON AUG. 29, 2017
It’s another example of the growing rule that once you go black, you can never go back.
What’s interesting here is that it’s more evidence that Jews aren’t going to get cut a special break from the Diverse in the emerging Anti-White Orthodoxy.
Some Jews seem to assume that all this talk about Crushing White Privilege doesn’t apply to themselves. If push ever comes to shove, they’ll just have a little talk with their close Person of Color friends and explain that they’re not exactly white, so of course they don’t have to give up any of their so-called “White” Privileges.
They haven’t actually had this talk with PoCs yet, but they can imagine just how smoothly it will go when the time comes.
Perhaps …
Mandy Patinkin (Inigo Montoya in William Goldman’s The Princess Bride and currently on the Israeli-originated TV show Homeland) is considered by many Jewish Broadway fans to be a particularly Jewish star in whom they take pride.
But to the blacks who denounced his hiring and got the show shut down, Mandy Patinkin is just another White Guy with White Privilege.
The single most influential potential swing constituency in the ongoing racial power struggle is the ethnocentric Jewish bloc. If they start to realize that pushing further in demonizing whites will not be good for the Jews — because, to nonwhites, they’re white — dissent will become more allowable.
At this point in history, however, due to the long ban on their being criticized or even analyzed in non-schmaltzy terms by gentiles, ethnocentric Jews (e.g., Bret Stephens) aren’t very self-aware anymore.
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“But to the blacks who denounced his hiring and got the show shut down, Mandy Patinkin is just another example of White Privilege.”
I dunno, Steve, Patinkin does kinda look white. Blacks may have a point on this one. Could definitely pass for white and not a POC.
This of course was what I was getting at concerning Augustus Zuckerberg. If Mandy doesn’t stand a chance, what makes Auggie think the non-whites won’t notice him not being one of them?
Not only does the Emerging Majority consider Jews to be white, they are considered especially privileged whites.
All of the antifa or BLM would support BDS, for example. Israel as ‘apartheid state’ should give Jews a clue about where things are headed.
The FN doubled their support from Jews in France, but how could it not? I know quite a few Jews who are coming around, but just as many who think denouncing WASPs with extra vehemence will save them.
Sometimes, as a Jew, I wonder: Is it possible that Jews aren’t as smart as they think they are? But then I realize that’s not a fair question. No one is as smart as Jews think they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzRX2ob9qukReplies: @Steve Sailer, @snorlax
Already, Jewish media making the call for volunteer construction guys to come down and help rebuild Houston. Said construction guys would all be White deplorable Goy of course, there aren't many Jews swinging hammers these days, nor Blacks. Where pretty smart comes in is Jews own insurance and banking, the two entities that pay out in low-cost loans and of course insurance claims. Of course, Insurance always denies every penny they can and so to ease the load, if they can get idiotic goy construction "volunteers", hateful White men all, to come rebuild for free, even better for the insurance companies. Something tells me FEMA and insurance and banks are going to pay out less and be even cheaper than they were for Katrina. We're 12 years post-Katrina, they haven't paid hardly a claim since then, insurance dowries are somewhere north of 300 billion dollars, but they're going to reach new heights of cheap with this storm. New Orleans may just get their Blacks back to the New Chocolate City as Mayor Jefferson (or whatever the Black Governor's name was back then). But volunteers are being shamed to get down to Texas.
Don't ever doubt yourself or your people, Moose. Yew Jews are some smart bastards, not to worry!
That’s not the “plan”, so to speak, if their evolutionary history is any guide. Their evolutionary history involves repeated expulsions and migrations out of areas that are increasingly anti-Semitic or declining. They’ve been selected for push coming to shove, not for inhibiting or preventing the push coming to shove. It’s become ingrained and accepted as the way of the world. Can they overcome millenia of selective pressure here?
Steve has had a link to West Hunter for years. Try it out.
However hatred is distinct from persecution. Jews are hated everywhere and by all nations, however they're only persecuted when they offend god in some way, particularly by breaking his covenant.
Jews can be as nasty to gentiles as they like, but so long as they do right by god they won't be persecuted. They can be as nice to gentiles as they like, but if they neglect god they will still be persecuted.Replies: @AM
BDS is supported more by white leftists and Democratic Socialists than by ordinary black Democrats:
I wish you were right. (The boys at Breitbart have pretty much copped to this, and Bannon knows it.)
But it doesn’t help to have guys running around in Charlottesville chanting Nazi slogans. Heck, they even drove off Joshua Seidel…
http://forward.com/scribe/380705/alt-right-jew-charlottesville-was-a-wake-up-call/
(if you read his other stuff, he is basically making the argument you make here)
I’d very much like to see this happen (pulling off the ethnocentric Jewish bloc, as you call it). But I don’t think it will happen, at least not anytime soon.
Please tell me how you think the inhabitants of Israel would react if they were as put upon by a 2% Christian minority as the Americans are by our diaspora.
There is a tragic pendulum in the history of the Jews, swinging from self-aware to self-absorbed and back. Gentiles get to watch and wait and prepare and experience the angst given to them.
"Those Jews are so tragic. It's really sad. Got any food?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzRX2ob9qukReplies: @Steve Sailer, @snorlax
But at UCLA, for example, BDS is big with the Diverse, like a kid I know who had a successful student politics career as the First Ever ____.
I dunno, Steve, Patinkin does kinda look white. Blacks may have a point on this one. Could definitely pass for white and not a POC.
This of course was what I was getting at concerning Augustus Zuckerberg. If Mandy doesn't stand a chance, what makes Auggie think the non-whites won't notice him not being one of them?Replies: @SFG, @Michelle, @Alden
I think Zuckerberg either (a) thinks he’s white and it’s important for him to help dismantle the system of privilege or more likely (b) figures it won’t be good for his company if he doesn’t say (a).
Not that he’s some closeted alt-right edgelord–it’s obvious he’s not. Like most billionaires, his #1 priority is making money (that’s how you get to be a billionaire), and political positions are secondary to that goal.If your goal was to find a drug to treat prostate cancer, would you be very obsessed with the font you use to write research grants? It’s a means to an end, and something where you have to check off the correct boxes, not really something you get passionate about. You’re not going to use Comic Sans and annoy the granting agency. Similarly, Zuck isn’t going to annoy people with his love for Italian dead white males. Too much of a conservative taste. Better to brag about your support for immigration–hey, you get cheap programmers to boot, that’s great!
Being a nationalist-populist really isn’t a great money-making ideology. It doesn’t sell well outside your country of origin, and trade and immigration are good for business. The downsides of globalization are borne by people without a lot of money (in rich countries). But…who cares about them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Arreguin
State of the Art.
This story would have been funnier if it were a musical about Moses or King David.
Musical being shut down because a Jewish guy was to take the role of Moses from a black guy.
And it’ll never happen, but it’d be fun to turn Patinkin.
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my culture. Prepare to die.
Musical being shut down because a Jewish guy was to take the role of Moses from a black guy.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Next year …
Posted this previously, but David Brooks is such a perfect example of a guy who thinks that the POC won’t come gunning for him…..
David Brooks on how “How Trump Kills the G.O.P.”
Of course, the goal-posts have shifted a tad….moving from ending Jim Crow to asserting that massive levels of non-European immigration to the USA is a basic human right….
DR3 boilerplate…..
“Conservative universalism” is an oxymoron, Dave. Conservativism is about the local and the particular.Try reading some Edmund Burke sometime….Or maybe just talking to some of your Israeli friends…..
So, “White universalists” basically have no identity…..Rather makes me wonder what Mr Brooks thinks about “Jewish universalists”…….You know, what with him having a son serving in the Israeli military….
I’m guessing that we’re supposed to understand that there’s an implicit asterisk here….*None of this applies to Israel…..
“Current realities” …….You mean the ones where someone who argues for an end to non-European immigration risks being fired from his job?
But Black and Latinx and Muslim identity politics are totally kosher…..
What I’m saying here is that we need to have a GOP that’s only concerned with tax-cuts for big biz and massive levels of military spending….plus maybe token noises about being anti-abortion (gotta toss those Christian rubes in the sticks a bone)
That’s why I can’t be friends with someone who wants open borders for Israel…..
But Remember, Dave Brooks is a friend to the POC (at least the ones outside of Israel)….So POC Identity Politics are A-OK….
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/opinion/trump-identity-politics.html
Hit the nail on the head. The “woe is us!” programming is such that even as the richest, best educated, most culturally and financially dominant 2% of the population, only a handful are ever going to get even semi-redpilled. And of that portion, more will trend towards Kristol-style malice than Stephen Miller-style benevolence.
I’m a millennial member of the tribe which somewhat qualifies me to weigh in.
1. The older generation won’t jump en masse to the Republican party. To much inertia at play.
2. For the younger generation, the most liberal subset is entirely quitting the faith. The more moderate remainder is surprisingly conservative. I think this is largely a function of having a brain on an American college campus in the last 20 years. Even if one is lukewarm on Israel, that puts one far to the right of the typical social science professor (or student). Judaism is definitely unpopular among the SJW crowd — only Muslims or black Christians are acceptable religious adherents to that group — I quit the left in part due to clear loathing for Jewishness.
3. The big factor at play remain that most Jews live in a handful of expensive cities (i.e. dirt gap), though they do well financially, ameliorating that to a certain degree. The downtown synagogues in my city are MUCH more liberal than the suburban ones.
My guess is there’s going to be a certain amount of civil war on this front over the next couple of years. The business focused Jews will drift Republican. The media types who are big time dirt gap types will drift left. However, at the end of day, the overarching challenge is that the non-Jewish SJWs loath Israel and the religion which will probably send the Jewish vote closer to the median.
Drift to what though? Just can't see the present Republican Party lasting in this form.
I can see what takes its place being business friendly, but by necessity it is going to abhor things like the current free trade setup, and be a lot more likely to adopt nativist economic policies like most of the Asian countries. Not to mention being against immigration in general, and outright opposed to H1B visas and the illegals that Central Valley farmers love so much.
So can you see them being down with something like that? I truly have no idea.Replies: @Desiderius
The real difference, though, is that the lefties are WAY out on the left.
Oy Vey, like, duh, oy vey, bigleague. I should add that The Princess Bride was/is a pivotal movie for young people of all races and sexual identities. Why do the new, Progressive Nazis of the USA have to take the joy out of the early sexual awakening of teenagers who stumble upon their parents’ love of The Princess Bride? Seriously, duh.
The FN doubled their support from Jews in France, but how could it not?
Starting from such a low base that doesn’t sound like much but I’m curious to see the evidence. Any links?
“a ridiculous Diversity Dispute about how the show was trying to whitewash Tolstoy by having Broadway legend…replace an African actor”
Wasn’t there a half Russian-half black author/contemporary of Tolstoy? And there is a drink called a “black Russian”? All adding up. There could’ve been a large contingent of African Blacks living outside St. Petersburg ca.1810. How do we know there weren’t any? We do know there’s a “Black Russian.” Maybe Leo forgot to mention that detail about Pierre. It’s poetic license based on possibility. If theatre goers can’t accept a black actor portraying a fictional character then that’s their racist problem.
The phrase Diversity Dispute sums it up. Just like Mary Beard as with Tolstoy’s War and Peace. We don’t know for certain that Russia didn’t have blacks visiting/living there before 1800, so it could’ve happened. Its possible. Actually racist of Tolstoy not to see this possibility in his own novel.
Alice in Wonderland’s impossible believing really opens one up to all sorts of possibilities.
I dunno, Steve, Patinkin does kinda look white. Blacks may have a point on this one. Could definitely pass for white and not a POC.
This of course was what I was getting at concerning Augustus Zuckerberg. If Mandy doesn't stand a chance, what makes Auggie think the non-whites won't notice him not being one of them?Replies: @SFG, @Michelle, @Alden
Gosh, Fauxjimbo/Pseudoichi, I actually agree with you for once.
My prediction here is the bellweather will be Matt Yglesias. I’ve got him pegged as an Ed Koch waiting to blossom.
The idea that liberal Jews will suddenly become conservative because black and Hispanic proles hate them is kind of unrealistic. Groups always ally against their most immediate perceived threat. If I were Jewish, I would probably be far more scared of Gentile ethnic consciousness than some flaky black nationalism.
Totally agree, but I still don’t know who Zuck’s voting base would be. He just seems like a Jewish Mitt Romney. A bland globalist with a couple of quirks who doesn’t seem to represent anyone or anything outside his 1% class. The 1% class detests Trump, and that doesn’t seem to bother him very much. That’s a redeeming quality. Whereas Zuck doesn’t seem like he’s ever had to deal directly with people who would hate his guts. That might make him fold up and disappear.
Same thing with the Zuck. He wins California and Washington and then what?Replies: @anonn
BDS is big with Muslims and young leftists and Democratic Socialist types, most of whom are white but include the diverse as well. Those who aren’t BDS or don’t care tend to be corporate Dem types or Dems who are boomer whites and ordinary blacks and Hispanics.
David Brooks on how “How Trump Kills the G.O.P.”Of course, the goal-posts have shifted a tad….moving from ending Jim Crow to asserting that massive levels of non-European immigration to the USA is a basic human right….DR3 boilerplate…..“Conservative universalism” is an oxymoron, Dave. Conservativism is about the local and the particular.Try reading some Edmund Burke sometime….Or maybe just talking to some of your Israeli friends…..So, “White universalists” basically have no identity…..Rather makes me wonder what Mr Brooks thinks about “Jewish universalists”…….You know, what with him having a son serving in the Israeli military….I’m guessing that we’re supposed to understand that there’s an implicit asterisk here….*None of this applies to Israel…..“Current realities” …….You mean the ones where someone who argues for an end to non-European immigration risks being fired from his job?But Black and Latinx and Muslim identity politics are totally kosher…..What I’m saying here is that we need to have a GOP that’s only concerned with tax-cuts for big biz and massive levels of military spending….plus maybe token noises about being anti-abortion (gotta toss those Christian rubes in the sticks a bone)That’s why I can’t be friends with someone who wants open borders for Israel…..But Remember, Dave Brooks is a friend to the POC (at least the ones outside of Israel)….So POC Identity Politics are A-OK….
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/opinion/trump-identity-politics.htmlReplies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden
Excellent and insightful. When you actually write more of your own stuff and not just paste and cut ad naseum from others, quite decent results. Do keep it up.
Good to see “Mr. Malloy will then perform as Pierre for the show’s final two weeks” as my wife and daughters will be there this weekend and this was the girls first choice of shows.
http://www.themusicallyrics.com/n/289-natasha-pierre-a-the-great-comet-of-1812-lyrics/3171-letters-lyrics.html
Now how could I ever get mad at a poster whose handle’s a Beatles song? From Rubber Soul, a tender sweet ballad, and a good one by Sir Paul.
The Thing With Two Heads (Trailer)
Lot of bad feelings toward Jews on the alt-right, much of it deserved. But a civil war (hot or cold) requires a division of elites, and Jews are a powerful core of the elite. So the alt-right will need to ally with one wing of the Jews, like it or not.
If they start to realize that pushing further in demonizing whites will not be good for the Jews — because, to nonwhites, they’re white — dissent will become more allowable.
The salvation for Whites may only come from the Jews? Who created the problem in the first place?
Keep praying to the Jews, Mr. Sailer, to get a greater allotment for dissent or perhaps they accept applications in the Office of Permissible Dissents. In one joke there was no revolution in Germany because it was not allowed by law.
Have it occurred to anybody with Machiavellian inclinations that perhaps Blacks could be used by Whites in this triangle?
Unfortunately, I think my fellow Jews will continue to deceive themselves into thinking that they’re an endangered minority. Granted, it doesn’t help when you have the SPLC and the ADL telling ordinary Jews that it’s 1933.
No, Steve and others, there is no “evolutionary strategy” amongst Jews any more than there is among Italians or Irish. They simply are who they are, by and large, and have not changed that much since the Bible when God was constantly chastising them for being monumentally stupid in behavior. Even though they knew better.
Rather, this is the eternal war among White people. White people hate each other — revealed preference: the inter-White slaughter far exceeds that of Whites slaughtering non-Whites. Look at WWI alone for example. Whites endured the trenches to slaughter other Whites.
There is a long standing genetic basis for GoodWhites to hold themselves above other Whites, the HuWhites or BadWhites, as being special and selected by God or Fate, a tiny band of light in the darkness, who will bring about the end times and in fierce battle against evil destroy the wicked, wicked world. This thread runs through the Vikings, Puritans, Cathars, Heaven’s Gate, Jim Jones and the People’s Temple, Calvinists, your modern Feminists, Pagans, Portlandians, and Boho Bobo out of David Brooks Whole Foods Shoppers.
The only thing interesting and unique about Jews is that they got the GoodWhite War on HuWhites first and hardest and most thoroughly, the way Blacks got defacto polygamy and multiple paternal siblings first and hardest. If the typical Black mother is single with three kids by different fathers each, the typical Jewish person is ultra liberal urban, professional (but only law, politics, media, business and never Military, Science, or Medicine now). Convinced he/she/xe/xer/zing/zow is on the cusp of eliminating evil forever and ushering in the Age of the Colors of Benetton.
Yeah Duh Jews are White. Just look at them. They are among the Whitest of Whites, just look at their Puritan/Calvinist/Viking/Cathar ways. There was doubtless a Viking version of David Brooks in 890 effetely turning up his nose at the Celts or Slavs, and Calvinist version of Bill Kristol deriding those damn Papists and deciding Mohammedans would be better.
This is an innate genetic flaw of nearly ALL Western Whites — their eternal wars against each other that rival Hutus vs. Tutsis.
The Romans and the early Catholics never thought of themselves as superior to the European barbarians/pagans that they enjoyed killing/forcibly civilizing/converting.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/more-french-jews-drifting-toward-natl-front-party/
I don’t think Zuck really cares about Jewish issues. He doesn’t seem interested in Zionism or Jewish culture in general. And, he was willing to screw over some of his Jewish friends when he created Facebook.
So Mandy Patinkin is a man? I thought he was a woman. Well, I’m a deplorable rube, not a sophisticated New Yorker. What part did he play in Evita one of my favorites. I watch it at least once a month.
As a third-generation Jewish-American I’ve never thought of myself as anything but racially white, neither has any of my family or friends. It wasn’t until I found sites such as this that I encountered the notion that non-Christian meant non-white, I don’t know any Jews who appear to be anything but some flavor of white. Unless you want to considered a Mediterranean appearance to be non-white.
Jews clearly are a subset of the Caucasian race, an argument I've had before with the alt-right. It's a little silly to be all "I'm a about science and the DNA" and not notice that Jews are indeed Caucasian.
That said, there is a reason people think along those lines.
Jews that sincerely convert to Christianity appear to behave in ways that are more reliably European, for lack of a better way to say it. Jews that either abandon their faith or are Jewish in an "unwoke" way tend to behave in unconscious ways that undermine the cohesion of the (usually) larger majority Caucasian group that they live in. Thus, very little to no fretting over converted Jews. Much concern and separation of Jews from whites. (The US is forced into a bit of awkwardness on this point thanks to the Euro-mutt heritage of most living citizens. If this were France, we'd say French separate from Jew. )
If you don't believe me, head over to blue check mark media Twitter, where one can find many off the wagon ethnic Jews. The brittle hostility to anything Christian or low class white is off the charts. And it's those pieces of the culture that hold us together.
I don't agree with the ineffectual sorts of antisemitism on the alt-right. But calling out the modern Jewish influence and hopefully getting some self modifications of the worst of that behavior would be very helpful.Replies: @Alden
It gets harder with Jews since Azkenazi Jews are partially Greek/Italian.
Best just to accept that classification clines on the margins will never result in clear groupings everyone agrees on.Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
http://www.themusicallyrics.com/n/289-natasha-pierre-a-the-great-comet-of-1812-lyrics/3171-letters-lyrics.htmlReplies: @Steve Sailer
It sounds like a good show.
You don’t understand human evolution or Jewish evolutionary history.
Steve has had a link to West Hunter for years. Try it out.
The salvation for Whites may only come from the Jews? Who created the problem in the first place?
Keep praying to the Jews, Mr. Sailer, to get a greater allotment for dissent or perhaps they accept applications in the Office of Permissible Dissents. In one joke there was no revolution in Germany because it was not allowed by law.
Have it occurred to anybody with Machiavellian inclinations that perhaps Blacks could be used by Whites in this triangle?Replies: @Daniel Williams
Sorry, buddy: John Deere made them obsolete for our purposes.
Some evil White racists such as I refer to them as Obsolete Farm Equipment, pronounced ofeee.Replies: @res
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPMfCJpfhdoReplies: @jim jones
Modern Movies suck because they are aimed at a low IQ population. The more brown people in your population the worse the movies and TV will become.
Born as Mandel Bruce Patinkin.
All of this is explained in the bible
Jews are hated for what they are – the chosen people – not for anything they do, or fail to do.
However hatred is distinct from persecution. Jews are hated everywhere and by all nations, however they’re only persecuted when they offend god in some way, particularly by breaking his covenant.
Jews can be as nasty to gentiles as they like, but so long as they do right by god they won’t be persecuted. They can be as nice to gentiles as they like, but if they neglect god they will still be persecuted.
http://forward.com/scribe/380705/alt-right-jew-charlottesville-was-a-wake-up-call/(if you read his other stuff, he is basically making the argument you make here)I'd very much like to see this happen (pulling off the ethnocentric Jewish bloc, as you call it). But I don't think it will happen, at least not anytime soon.Replies: @IHTG, @Colleen Pater, @Issac
Looks like he’s found religion, so that’s good.
Your name is Horseball and you say you have pegged Matt Ygesias with Ed Koch’s help?
Hmm.
I’ve been saying this for awhile but institutions really need to learn to ignore the rantings and ravings of tweets that come from black women. They’re usually based on incorrect facts, misleading & dripping with anger. Why pander to such people?
I suspect you’re on to something here. Probably a consequence of too much exogamy in Western Europe. It would be funny if the solution to all of this was state mandated cousin marriage for a few centuries.
Matt’s become increasingly deranged in his left wing identification recently, though. You can tell he’s adopting views for reasons of political identification because he’s always kind of self consciously ironic when professing his most retarded views.
The idea that liberal Jews will suddenly become conservative because black and Hispanic proles hate them is kind of unrealistic. Groups always ally against their most immediate perceived threat. If I were Jewish, I would probably be far more scared of Gentile ethnic consciousness than some flaky black nationalism.
Seeing things, as I do, from the Eastern side of the Atlantic, it’s fascinating the degree to which the different demographic vectors in Europe and America have driven the political priorities of: (a) ethno-masochistic white political correctness; and (b) Jews, in each place. The key differences can be summarised as follows:
1. While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).
2. Jews in America are honorary non-whites (for now) and, thus far, nobody in the mainstream media has cottoned on to the fact that “unbearable whiteness” in professionally and financially desirable fields is almost invariably accompanied by an even more “unbearable” Jewishness in those self-same fields.
3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. While European demographics are not such as to allow for the almost feral degree of anti-white hatred that consumes the American left, the European left is pretty anti-white and seems to admire (and envy) the extent to which the American left can indulge its passion for anti-white signalling. Be that as it may, outside a few shrinking pockets of the London leftie set, Europe’s respectable left accords no special protected status to Jews when it comes to the allocation of stigma arising from the historical corruption of white blood.
4. Indeed, on the less respectable left, Jews are now quite close to attaining the status of whitey squared. Of course, Europe’s hard left (which is far to the left of Sanders or Nader in the US) still insists that its problem is with “Zionists” and not Jews. However, as the European left’s voting base is increasingly dominated by Muslim and African-descended voters for whom the distinction is not terribly resonant, Jews are drawing less and less comfort from it.
The above naturally raises the questions of: (a) how Jews and leftists so markedly diverged on either side of the Atlantic; (b) what the consequences of this divergence are for politics in Europe and America; (c) whether we might see some future convergence; and (d) what such a convergence would look like.
To take the first question, we must analyse the key demographic differences between Europe and the United States:
1. Due to a combination of mass migrations from Europe to the United States in the 19th and early 20th centuries and certain unpleasant events in Central and Eastern Europe in those centuries, a disproportionate share of Europe’s Jewish population emigrated to America, meaning that the Jewish population is smaller and thus less politically influential in Europe that in America. This meant that while the pro-Zionist politics that dominated the left in the mid-2oth century largely operated at a poseur level in Europe, where relatively few of the influential left wing thinkers were Jewish. This meant that when Zionism lost its chic on the left, it had no natural critical mass of champions to defend it, in contrast to the US.
2. A higher proportion of European Jews would be Yekke and Sephardic Jews rather than Eastern European Ashkenazim. The former are, generally speaking, more politically conservative than the latter. This probably gave European Jews a slightly more right-ish lean than Jews in the United States.
3. Geographically and demographically speaking, Europe’s Mexicans are Middle Eastern and North African Muslims and its Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis – i.e. the Muslim world is the major proximate source of mass third world immigration in Europe. Unlike Hispanics, who have almost zero political cohesion outside of the fantasy world in which Washington political consultants live, Muslims have their religion, which acts as a very effective political glue.
4. Whilst Hispanics play second fiddle to blacks in the US, European Muslims have the advantage of being much more numerous than blacks and having been so for quite a long time. By contrast, Europe’s much smaller black population lacks cohesion compared with America’s. Most blacks in continental Europe are or are descended from African immigrants who came in the 1950s or later. The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK. However, they came as free immigrants from Jamaica, Trinidad, etc. The only unifying romance that European blacks have is imported from the US via Hollywood and rap music and while the European left does plenty to encourage black grievance culture, it is constrained by the relatively low political profitability that relatively small black numbers accord them.
5. Imagine a US with a hyper aggressive Hispanic population most of which has converted to Islam and then imagine a black population a third the size of what it is and consisting 50% of African immigrants who are not descended from slaves. Then imagine 75-80% fewer Jews. That’s pretty close to what we have in Europe. In such a scenario, the largely poseur-level (for now) anti-Semitism of blacks would give way to the genuine and visceral anti-Semitism of Muslims and the left would be faced with an increasingly burdensome carry-cost for retaining Jews as a protected group. Well that’s more or less what we have in Europe, with young leftists wearing Arafat scarves (and I’m talking about white leftists here).
So that’s the why. What’s the result? Well, like all things in life, it rather depends upon perspective.
1. European leftists are disgusted at the American left’s lack of “solidarity” with the Palestinians and, at a grassroots level, many if not most lefties would see Jewish influence on the left as being an example of Goldman Sachs money corrupting the left and driving it away from economic populism and third world solidarity – and remember, to the European leftist who has lacked the narcotic high of attacking colonialism and Apartheid for some decades now, the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it’s one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.
2. That said, while the European left is more economically populist than the American left, one cannot ignore two other factors.
3. The first is that the European left is nowhere near as powerful as the American left. The Democratic Party has now won the popular vote (or at least the popular vote including fraudulent votes) in every presidential election bar one since 1988. By contrast, without the alliance of (disproportionately Jewish) plutocrats and third world flash mobs that constitutes the Democratic base, the European left struggles to maintain influence. For example, the British Labour Party hasn’t won an election since 2005, the German Social Democrats haven’t won one since 2002 and the French Socialists have won the Elysee Palace once since 1988 (in what looks like the rather anomalous 2012 election).
4. While it is more economically populist than the US left, the European left’s priorities are fundamentally the same as the Democratic Party’s. Its concern for the working class now largely involves looking after discrete client groups like public sector unions and it is generally much more motivated by identity politics, bathroom wars and that ever-lengthening LGBTQWERTYUIOP acronym.
5 Looked at in the context of 4 and 5 above, the American left’s continued message discipline in relation to Jews looks more like an intelligent trade-off – albeit one which probably isn’t open to European leftists due to the less favourable demographics it faces.
Third and fourth questions. Will there be a convergence between Europe and America and what does such a convergence look like?
1. The basic difference between the US and Europe is that history and geography gerrymandered the former a lot more than they did the latter. Hispanics are inert and indisciplined. Jews are neither. (American) Blacks are indisciplined but are far from inert. This means that the Hispanics disappoint those who expect them to turn into shock troops for the Democratic Party but it also means that their support for the Democratic Party comes at a price that it would, in any event, have already had to pay in order to maintain black support (keep the welfare cheques coming) and elite white support (keep the immigrants coming). This means that the mediocre political support that Hispanics give the Dems costs them nothing, which dramatically raises its de facto value. Meanwhile, blacks have inherited the African “big man” system of political organisation, one of the features of which is that black voters are often as interested in delivering power and prestige to their community’s elites as they are in their own welfare. This means that they vote for Hispanic immigration that hurts their own interests because it increases the size of the political coalitions that make their leaders (Obama, Sharpton, Holder, Lynch, Harris etc.) more powerful. Jews and other elite whites have the habit of elite whites everywhere – namely that of accepting rhetorical excesses they don’t like in return for policies they do. This kind of gerrymander is just too good to plan and even for manipulators like the Democrats, they had to rely on about 70% dumb luck.
2. However, gerrymandered systems keep working until they don’t and when that point comes, the gerrymander massively amplifies the effect of any backlash. Fundamentally, it’s a numbers game. Like a power plant that is at is most efficient generation capacity when it’s 1 Watt away from causing a transformer explosion, the marginal returns on gerrymandering suddenly go negative just moments after they were at their peak. The election of Donald Trump gives us a clue as to how this works in practice.
3. The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview. Why? Because since the 1980s, every region of the west outside of North America has had regular conservative nationalist eruptions. In the 1980s, the Front National came on the scene in France. Already, 20 years ago, we had the FPO in Austria and the Lega Nord, Alleanza Nationale and Fiama di Tricolore in Italy, the Vlaams Belang in Belgium, One Nation in Australia and New Zealand First. Now we also have Wilders in the Netherlands, the Sweden Democrats etc. as well. However, American politics maintained utterly boring and conventional post 1945 centrist politics. Indeed, 10 years ago, mainstream Republicans and DLC Democrats regularly used to lecture Europeans on why America had avoided the “far-right” trap.
4. Of course, it was all down to demographics and electoral systems. America’s first past the post electoral system prevented small parties from developing and her demographics meant that the type of anti-white cultural Marxism against which European voters were reacting was such a politically powerful force in America that it was able to crush national conservatism. Then what happened? Size, my dear boy, size. Eventually the anti-white ethnic blocs in America became too large and unruly and catalysed an opposable cohesion and the American electoral system that had protected both parties from dissent suddenly found itself assailed. Until you get roughly a quarter of America, you are stuck on the margins. However, once you get to that magic number, that’s it: one of the parties (in this case the GOP) becomes yours. So, never having had a nationalist political movement, in one fell swoop, America ended up passing Europe out and going straight to a nationalist president.
5. My prediction is that (at the very latest), once the 34-49 year old age group reaches a critical mass of non-whiteness, the Democrats’ white establishment will suddenly find itself unable to avoid the type of pandering that European leftists have been doing since the 1970s to typical third world non-white sentiment re Jews, namely as being not just whites but the worst and most irredeemable kind of whites – and then the dam will break.
6. What will a sign of such break look like? In my view, look for a Jim Clancy moment with the opposite ending. Remember that Clancy went onto Twitter not to engage in Jew bashing but to indulge in pro-Islamic virtue signalling. Clancy is, of course, Irish American and (in my considerable experience of dealing with Irish people) the Irish are slightly less uptight about Jews than other white ethnics. My guess is that, as an Irish American, he overestimated the speed with which Jews were falling out of favour on the left and thought that he could use “Hasbara” as a synonym for white racist. I reckon that Unlucky Jim got it a few years premature. My prediction: There will be a Jim Clancy-Hasbara-type moment some time in the not-to-distant future and that will be the sign that American Jews will be about to travel further and faster in the direction of European Jews and without the intellectual coherence that they give what Steve calls the “coalition of the fringes”, it will, as the old Chinese saying goes, crumble like dry tofu.
LOL!
You’re still missing the point. Jews are distinct group of people with a distinct DNA, which you can test.
Jews clearly are a subset of the Caucasian race, an argument I’ve had before with the alt-right. It’s a little silly to be all “I’m a about science and the DNA” and not notice that Jews are indeed Caucasian.
That said, there is a reason people think along those lines.
Jews that sincerely convert to Christianity appear to behave in ways that are more reliably European, for lack of a better way to say it. Jews that either abandon their faith or are Jewish in an “unwoke” way tend to behave in unconscious ways that undermine the cohesion of the (usually) larger majority Caucasian group that they live in. Thus, very little to no fretting over converted Jews. Much concern and separation of Jews from whites. (The US is forced into a bit of awkwardness on this point thanks to the Euro-mutt heritage of most living citizens. If this were France, we’d say French separate from Jew. )
If you don’t believe me, head over to blue check mark media Twitter, where one can find many off the wagon ethnic Jews. The brittle hostility to anything Christian or low class white is off the charts. And it’s those pieces of the culture that hold us together.
I don’t agree with the ineffectual sorts of antisemitism on the alt-right. But calling out the modern Jewish influence and hopefully getting some self modifications of the worst of that behavior would be very helpful.
They don't think I'm a Jew, but they will just rattle on about the evil goyim. Getting together with other Jews and whining is part of their social life.
I suggest googling Jewish community newspapers. You will learn a lot.Replies: @biz
However hatred is distinct from persecution. Jews are hated everywhere and by all nations, however they're only persecuted when they offend god in some way, particularly by breaking his covenant.
Jews can be as nasty to gentiles as they like, but so long as they do right by god they won't be persecuted. They can be as nice to gentiles as they like, but if they neglect god they will still be persecuted.Replies: @AM
The OT was written and edited by Jews. The story of Joseph is clearly a whitewash of particular facts. The slavery of Jews in Egypt does not appear out of no where. Fill in the gaps in the tales of Joseph and you’ll see why they ended up slaves.
Jews are generally disliked for the kind of mind blindness this post displays. Jews, despite some obvious intelligence, high public ethical standards, and a good work ethnic, do not appear to be interested in the people around them or their motivations. Thus they collectively stumble around in self-centered ways until it all catches up with them…again.
“Jews can be as nasty to gentiles as they like, but so long as they do right by god they won’t be persecuted. They can be as nice to gentiles as they like, but if they neglect god they will still be persecuted.”
God commands them to uphold the 10 Commandments, which if everyone did that, would make them great neighbors. God literally wants them to get along properly with other people. Jesus even says it – love thy neighbor as thy self.
But…I just saw last week an openly Jewish reporter question how much money we’re spending in Afghanistan. And the Christian Hukabee could only respond with a frustrated” American lives don’t have price tags.”
Jews have the same problem they had in the OT. They tend to worship golden calves (money) even to this day. (And it’s not that, it’s science.) They bring the punishment on themselves for refusing to honor what God wanted, which was to have a relationship with Him so they could stop being such self centered clods when they encounter the rest of the world.
Slavery in the Middle East was very much a feature of the nomadic people - not of the agricultural societies like Egypt.
There is absolutely no - zero - archaeological evidence that Egypt ever hosted a large number of Jews in the period in question. Even the word "pharaoh" (فرعون) is not an Egyptian word. It is an Arabic/Semitic word with nothing similar in the ancient Egyptian language.
The Jews of Alexandria deliberately mistranslated their Torah into Greek so as to assure the Romans when they occupied Egypt that they had come there before the Greeks (who had created Alexandria). It was an early example of their skills in PR and obfuscation.
The reality is that the Jews of the Bible (who have little to do with the Jews of Eastern Europe BTW) came from Yemen and Hijaz (western part of Saudi Arabia). Their progress during the exodus corresponds very well with the names of places and the geographic features of the region.
Suggested reading:
"Egypt knew no Pharaohs nor Israelites"
http://amzn.com/B00U8VK8JE (Kindle)
Sounds like a good question. Surprising that the (usually adroit/glib) Huckabee muffed it. But endless occupation of the Khyber Pass is who we are as Americans, it's in the Constitution... Somewhere in the back, after the statue-destruction starter list
1. The older generation won't jump en masse to the Republican party. To much inertia at play.
2. For the younger generation, the most liberal subset is entirely quitting the faith. The more moderate remainder is surprisingly conservative. I think this is largely a function of having a brain on an American college campus in the last 20 years. Even if one is lukewarm on Israel, that puts one far to the right of the typical social science professor (or student). Judaism is definitely unpopular among the SJW crowd -- only Muslims or black Christians are acceptable religious adherents to that group -- I quit the left in part due to clear loathing for Jewishness.
3. The big factor at play remain that most Jews live in a handful of expensive cities (i.e. dirt gap), though they do well financially, ameliorating that to a certain degree. The downtown synagogues in my city are MUCH more liberal than the suburban ones.
My guess is there's going to be a certain amount of civil war on this front over the next couple of years. The business focused Jews will drift Republican. The media types who are big time dirt gap types will drift left. However, at the end of day, the overarching challenge is that the non-Jewish SJWs loath Israel and the religion which will probably send the Jewish vote closer to the median.Replies: @AM, @Sunbeam, @Brutusale
This is true across all faiths in the West except Islam. The numbers are very grim across the board. Whatever else happens in 50 years, those left faithful will all be much more orthodox/conservative.
Rather, this is the eternal war among White people. White people hate each other -- revealed preference: the inter-White slaughter far exceeds that of Whites slaughtering non-Whites. Look at WWI alone for example. Whites endured the trenches to slaughter other Whites.
There is a long standing genetic basis for GoodWhites to hold themselves above other Whites, the HuWhites or BadWhites, as being special and selected by God or Fate, a tiny band of light in the darkness, who will bring about the end times and in fierce battle against evil destroy the wicked, wicked world. This thread runs through the Vikings, Puritans, Cathars, Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones and the People's Temple, Calvinists, your modern Feminists, Pagans, Portlandians, and Boho Bobo out of David Brooks Whole Foods Shoppers.
The only thing interesting and unique about Jews is that they got the GoodWhite War on HuWhites first and hardest and most thoroughly, the way Blacks got defacto polygamy and multiple paternal siblings first and hardest. If the typical Black mother is single with three kids by different fathers each, the typical Jewish person is ultra liberal urban, professional (but only law, politics, media, business and never Military, Science, or Medicine now). Convinced he/she/xe/xer/zing/zow is on the cusp of eliminating evil forever and ushering in the Age of the Colors of Benetton.
Yeah Duh Jews are White. Just look at them. They are among the Whitest of Whites, just look at their Puritan/Calvinist/Viking/Cathar ways. There was doubtless a Viking version of David Brooks in 890 effetely turning up his nose at the Celts or Slavs, and Calvinist version of Bill Kristol deriding those damn Papists and deciding Mohammedans would be better.
This is an innate genetic flaw of nearly ALL Western Whites -- their eternal wars against each other that rival Hutus vs. Tutsis.Replies: @AM, @Alden, @Millennial
This is the fallen nature of all of humanity. Blacks genocide blacks. Asians rape and genocide each other. It’s not special to whites.
Re-posted sans typos:
Seeing things, as I do, from the Eastern side of the Atlantic, it’s fascinating the degree to which the different demographic vectors in Europe and America have driven the political priorities of: (a) ethno-masochistic white political correctness; and (b) Jews, in each place. The key differences can be summarised as follows:
1. While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).
2. Jews in America are honorary non-whites (for now) and, thus far, nobody in the mainstream media has cottoned on to the fact that “unbearable whiteness” in professionally and financially desirable fields is almost invariably accompanied by an even more “unbearable” Jewishness in those self-same fields.
3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. While European demographics are not such as to allow for the almost feral degree of anti-white hatred that consumes the American left, the European left is pretty anti-white and seems to admire (and envy) the extent to which the American left can indulge its passion for anti-white signalling. Be that as it may, outside a few shrinking pockets of the London leftie set, Europe’s respectable left accords no special protected status to Jews when it comes to the allocation of stigma arising from the historical corruption of white blood.
4. Indeed, on the less respectable left, Jews are now quite close to attaining the status of whitey squared. Of course, Europe’s hard left (which is far to the left of Sanders or Nader in the US) still insists that its problem is with “Zionists” and not Jews. However, as the European left’s voting base is increasingly dominated by Muslim and African-descended voters for whom the distinction is not terribly resonant, Jews are drawing less and less comfort from it.
The above naturally raises the questions of: (a) how Jews and leftists so markedly diverged on either side of the Atlantic; (b) what the consequences of this divergence are for politics in Europe and America; (c) whether we might see some future convergence; and (d) what such a convergence would look like.
To take the first question, we must analyse the key demographic differences between Europe and the United States:
1. Due to a combination of mass migrations from Europe to the United States in the 19th and early 20th centuries and certain unpleasant events in Central and Eastern Europe in those centuries, a disproportionate share of Europe’s Jewish population emigrated to America, meaning that the Jewish population is smaller and thus less politically influential in Europe that in America. This meant that the pro-Zionist politics that dominated the left in the mid-2oth century largely operated at a poseur level in Europe, where relatively few of the influential left wing thinkers were Jewish. As a result, when Zionism lost its chic on the left, it had no natural critical mass of champions to defend it, in contrast to the US.
2. A higher proportion of European Jews would be Yekke and Sephardic Jews rather than Eastern European Ashkenazim. The former are, generally speaking, more politically conservative than the latter. This probably gave European Jews a slightly more right-ish lean than Jews in the United States.
3. Geographically and demographically speaking, Europe’s Mexicans are Middle Eastern and North African Muslims and its Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis – i.e. the Muslim world is the major proximate source of mass third world immigration in Europe. Unlike Hispanics, who have almost zero political cohesion outside of the fantasy world in which Washington political consultants live, Muslims have their religion, which acts as a very effective political glue.
4. Whilst Hispanics play second fiddle to blacks in the US, European Muslims have the advantage of being much more numerous than blacks and having been so for quite a long time. By contrast, Europe’s much smaller black population lacks cohesion compared with America’s. Most blacks in continental Europe are or are descended from African immigrants who came in the 1950s or later. The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK. However, they came as free immigrants from Jamaica, Trinidad, etc. The only unifying romance that European blacks have is imported from the US via Hollywood and rap music and while the European left does plenty to encourage black grievance culture, it is constrained by the relatively low political profitability that relatively small black numbers accord them.
5. Imagine a US with a hyper aggressive Hispanic population most of which has converted to Islam and then imagine a black population a third the size of what it is and consisting 50% of African immigrants who are not descended from slaves. Then imagine 75-80% fewer Jews. That’s pretty close to what we have in Europe. In such a scenario, the largely poseur-level (for now) anti-Semitism of blacks would give way to the genuine and visceral anti-Semitism of Muslims and the left would be faced with an increasingly burdensome carry-cost for retaining Jews as a protected group. Well that’s more or less what we have in Europe, with young leftists wearing Arafat scarves (and I’m talking about white leftists here).
So that’s the why. What’s the result? Well, like all things in life, it rather depends upon perspective.
1. European leftists are disgusted at the American left’s lack of “solidarity” with the Palestinians and, at a grassroots level, many if not most lefties would see Jewish influence on the left as being an example of Goldman Sachs money corrupting the left and driving it away from economic populism and third world solidarity – and remember, to the European leftist who has lacked the narcotic high of attacking colonialism and Apartheid for some decades now, the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it’s one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.
2. That said, while the European left is more economically populist than the American left, one cannot ignore two other factors.
3. The first is that the European left is nowhere near as powerful as the American left. The Democratic Party has now won the popular vote (or at least the popular vote including fraudulent votes) in every presidential election bar one since 1988. By contrast, without the alliance of (disproportionately Jewish) plutocrats and third world flash mobs that constitutes the Democratic base, the European left struggles to maintain influence. For example, the British Labour Party hasn’t won an election since 2005, the German Social Democrats haven’t won one since 2002 and the French Socialists have won the Elysee Palace once since 1988 (in what looks like the rather anomalous 2012 election).
4. While it is more economically populist than the US left, the European left’s priorities are fundamentally the same as the Democratic Party’s. Its concern for the working class now largely involves looking after discrete client groups like public sector unions and it is generally much more motivated by identity politics, bathroom wars and that ever-lengthening LGBTQWERTYUIOP acronym.
5 Looked at in the context of 4 and 5 above, the American left’s continued message discipline in relation to Jews looks more like an intelligent trade-off – albeit one which probably isn’t open to European leftists due to the less favourable demographics it faces.
Third and fourth questions. Will there be a convergence between Europe and America and what does such a convergence look like?
1. The basic difference between the US and Europe is that history and geography gerrymandered the former a lot more than they did the latter. Hispanics are inert and indisciplined. Jews are neither. (American) Blacks are indisciplined but are far from inert. This means that the Hispanics disappoint those who expect them to turn into shock troops for the Democratic Party but it also means that their support for the Democratic Party comes at a price that it would, in any event, have already had to pay in order to maintain black support (keep the welfare cheques coming) and elite white support (keep the immigrants coming). This means that the mediocre political support that Hispanics give the Dems costs them nothing, which dramatically raises its de facto value. Meanwhile, blacks have inherited the African “big man” system of political organisation, one of the features of which is that black voters are often as interested in delivering power and prestige to their community’s elites as they are in their own welfare. This means that they vote for Hispanic immigration that hurts their own interests because it increases the size of the political coalitions that make their leaders (Obama, Sharpton, Holder, Lynch, Harris etc.) more powerful. Jews and other elite whites have the habit of elite whites everywhere – namely that of accepting rhetorical excesses they don’t like in return for policies they do. This kind of gerrymander is just too good to plan and even for manipulators like the Democrats, they had to rely on about 70% dumb luck.
2. However, gerrymandered systems keep working until they don’t and when that point comes, the gerrymander massively amplifies the effect of any backlash. Fundamentally, it’s a numbers game. Like a power plant that is at is most efficient generation capacity when it’s 1 Watt away from causing a transformer explosion, the marginal returns on gerrymandering suddenly go negative just moments after they were at their peak. The election of Donald Trump gives us a clue as to how this works in practice.
3. The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview. Why? Because since the 1980s, every region of the west outside of North America has had regular conservative nationalist eruptions. In the 1980s, the Front National came on the scene in France. Already, 20 years ago, we had the FPO in Austria and the Lega Nord, Alleanza Nationale and Fiama di Tricolore in Italy, the Vlaams Belang in Belgium, One Nation in Australia and New Zealand First. Now we also have Wilders in the Netherlands, the Sweden Democrats etc. as well. However, American politics maintained utterly boring and conventional post 1945 centrist politics. Indeed, 10 years ago, mainstream Republicans and DLC Democrats regularly used to lecture Europeans on why America had avoided the “far-right” trap.
4. Of course, it was all down to demographics and electoral systems. America’s first past the post electoral system prevented small parties from developing and her demographics meant that the type of anti-white cultural Marxism against which European voters were reacting was such a politically powerful force in America that it was able to crush national conservatism. Then what happened? Size, my dear boy, size. Eventually the anti-white ethnic blocs in America became too large and unruly and catalysed an opposable cohesion and the American electoral system that had protected both parties from dissent suddenly found itself assailed. Until you get roughly a quarter of America, you are stuck on the margins. However, once you get to that magic number, that’s it: one of the parties (in this case the GOP) becomes yours. So, never having had a nationalist political movement, in one fell swoop, America ended up passing Europe out and going straight to a nationalist president.
5. My prediction is that (at the very latest), once the 34-49 year old age group reaches a critical mass of non-whiteness, the Democrats’ white establishment will suddenly find itself unable to avoid the type of pandering that European leftists have been doing since the 1970s to typical third world non-white sentiment re Jews, namely as being not just whites but the worst and most irredeemable kind of whites – and then the dam will break.
6. What will a sign of such break look like? In my view, look for a Jim Clancy moment with the opposite ending. Remember that Clancy went onto Twitter not to engage in Jew bashing but to indulge in pro-Islamic virtue signalling. Clancy is, of course, Irish American and (in my considerable experience of dealing with Irish people) the Irish are slightly less uptight about Jews than other white ethnics. My guess is that, as an Irish American, he overestimated the speed with which Jews were falling out of favour on the left and thought that he could use “Hasbara” as a synonym for white racist. I reckon that Unlucky Jim got it a few years premature. My prediction: There will be a Jim Clancy-Hasbara-type moment some time in the not-too-distant future and that will be the sign that American Jews will be about to travel further and faster in the direction of European Jews and without the intellectual coherence that they give what Steve calls the “coalition of the fringes”, it will, as the old Chinese saying goes, crumble like dry tofu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzRX2ob9qukReplies: @Steve Sailer, @snorlax
X is supported more by white leftists and Democratic Socialists than by ordinary black Democrats, if X ≠ black blackety-black.
But it bothers his daughter a great deal, and he can’t bear to see his princess mad at daddy, so we end up in the same place.
The term white in the US has connotations that have changed over time. As far as I can grasp, it looks like it was a stand in for civilized European (aka Hagnal line only) before eventually including all Europeans. Exactly where the boundaries exist isn’t clear; you can draw a clear line with Arabs (due to inbreeding Muslim Arabs are dumber then African Americans) but the Eastern edge isn’t clear.
It gets harder with Jews since Azkenazi Jews are partially Greek/Italian.
Best just to accept that classification clines on the margins will never result in clear groupings everyone agrees on.
Relevant.
The Englishman who played the villain in Deadpool and apparently plays somebody on Game of Thrones (I don’t watch it) has pulled out of the new Hellboy film because his (Heavily facially-scarred) character in the comics was originally mixed Asian ancestry.
It’s an interesting precedent, I don’t think an actor has ever backed out of a role for this kind of reason before. Now it will likely intensify the pressure next time (But only for ‘whitewashing’ not the other way around). It’s one thing for the studio to change a casting, it’s another to expect an actor to give up work for this kind of reason. Maybe he thought all the good press and press in general in Hollywood for his ideological commitment would offset his losing this job though. Maybe they did sack him and this was a way for him to look good. Either way he has set up an unfortunate precedent for other actors.
Here is a picture of the comic character and actor.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-august-ed-skrein-leaves-hellboy-1503954133-htmlstory.html
Here is his apology note.
Be interesting to see if they recast with a person of mixed ancestry or fully Asian. I think for fun they should just cast a black woman and see what happens.
I dunno, Steve, Patinkin does kinda look white. Blacks may have a point on this one. Could definitely pass for white and not a POC.
This of course was what I was getting at concerning Augustus Zuckerberg. If Mandy doesn't stand a chance, what makes Auggie think the non-whites won't notice him not being one of them?Replies: @SFG, @Michelle, @Alden
Emperor Marcus is not only White but with the light reddish hair and pale, pale skin he is the epitome of a northwestern European perfect Aryan.
http://forward.com/scribe/380705/alt-right-jew-charlottesville-was-a-wake-up-call/(if you read his other stuff, he is basically making the argument you make here)I'd very much like to see this happen (pulling off the ethnocentric Jewish bloc, as you call it). But I don't think it will happen, at least not anytime soon.Replies: @IHTG, @Colleen Pater, @Issac
Then again maybe it does help having guys chanting nazi slogans make them declare one way or the other for all to see.
There is no group/sub-group/splinter-group anywhere on this Earth who embodies the principle leftists call “white privilege” more spectacularly than Mandy’s tribe.
If it weren’t for the sad fact that evangelical Christians will man the barricades to defend them before they’d ever demonstrate equal belligerence defending their own, this black/Jew contretemps might make entertaining viewing from a safe distance.
The mistake was not writing a musical about Pushkin and giving the role of great-grandfather to a black man. Then everybody could be happy, except maybe the Jews.
It gets harder with Jews since Azkenazi Jews are partially Greek/Italian.
Best just to accept that classification clines on the margins will never result in clear groupings everyone agrees on.Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Samuel Huntington in his book The Clash of Civilizations separated the Orthodox East from the Roman Catholic/Protestant West. Multi-ethnic and religious former Yugoslavia and predominately Roman Catholic Hungary are also east of the Hajnal line.
David Brooks on how “How Trump Kills the G.O.P.”Of course, the goal-posts have shifted a tad….moving from ending Jim Crow to asserting that massive levels of non-European immigration to the USA is a basic human right….DR3 boilerplate…..“Conservative universalism” is an oxymoron, Dave. Conservativism is about the local and the particular.Try reading some Edmund Burke sometime….Or maybe just talking to some of your Israeli friends…..So, “White universalists” basically have no identity…..Rather makes me wonder what Mr Brooks thinks about “Jewish universalists”…….You know, what with him having a son serving in the Israeli military….I’m guessing that we’re supposed to understand that there’s an implicit asterisk here….*None of this applies to Israel…..“Current realities” …….You mean the ones where someone who argues for an end to non-European immigration risks being fired from his job?But Black and Latinx and Muslim identity politics are totally kosher…..What I’m saying here is that we need to have a GOP that’s only concerned with tax-cuts for big biz and massive levels of military spending….plus maybe token noises about being anti-abortion (gotta toss those Christian rubes in the sticks a bone)That’s why I can’t be friends with someone who wants open borders for Israel…..But Remember, Dave Brooks is a friend to the POC (at least the ones outside of Israel)….So POC Identity Politics are A-OK….
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/opinion/trump-identity-politics.htmlReplies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden
“Veiled comment that could have suggested racism” excuse me while I go vomit.
Over the past year or so, I am reading more and more negative observations and criticisms of Jews on the dissident right websites that are still up, such Unz.com and even American Renaissance. It seems to me that the Jews are caught inbetween the proverbial rock and a hard place: The dissident right is increasingly openly fed up with them, while the leftists champion the Moslems. Before the Six-Day War, the left loved Israel, seeing it as plucky little David battling the big, mean Arab Goliath. There’s a certain kind of mind that requires feeling sorry for an “oppressed” group and the Jews aren’t considered oppressed, except by themselves.
I would be less frustrated if we could get more of them to actively join the right and work at saving Western Civilization. They really did (as usual) bring this (as a group) on themselves.
We need more Bill Kristol's sons joining the marines and unequivocally being for the country they live in, without the finger wagging. One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually. Go a very long way to disarming critics on the right.
But if recent and ancient history is any indication, they will (as a group, certainly not all) will continue to create victim status for themselves, while as group being one of the wealthiest subgroups in the country, while moralizing to anyone within earshot. And the entirely predictable breakdown of all normal relationships with other groups will happen again.Replies: @Issac, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Brutusale
Your rock--or is it the hard place--of dissident rightism is relatively small for the moment. It's got a lot of press since Hillary got upset at a cartoon frog last year, but it's really no serious problem for Jews. Yet.
The real impossible situation is looming, and that's when Jews figure out they lost the diversity game. When they become just another kind of white person. By that time--I mean by the time it's undeniable and obvious to everyone (because it's already happening, whether they notice or not)--there will be a more prominent populist right. It will replace the existing mainstream right, though the Establishment will not allow it to be recognized as mainstream,even for the right, like they did Bill Buckley.
It won't be the current alt-right or dissident right, I believe. It'll be different, but it won't be a playground for high-toned, verbally gifted, members of a certain ethnic group. They'll play it off like they're afraid of hanging from lampposts, but really they're afraid of losing paychecks. Because being the respectable opposition is a good gig if you can get it, and the populist and unruly right is poised to supplant neoconservatism and regular conservatism.
That's a bit in the future, is what I'm saying.
i meant to hit the lol but hit disagree instead sorry.
Some evil White racists such as I refer to them as Obsolete Farm Equipment, pronounced ofeee.
It seems that Jesse Arreguin followed essentially that path, all the way from UC Berkeley to antifa-loving Mayor of Berkeley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Arreguin
I wonder who will ever hire Onaodowan for a major role again?
Is he going to be the Kaepernick of Broadway?
And I wouldn’t be too happy if I were another actor from Hamilton. People might, you know, generalize.
Interesting that there are no comments here about the very black Denée Benton, who plays the central role of Natasha Rostova in the show. I realize that if you restricted white roles on Broadway to white actors that would limit the careers of black actors, but still, when I saw the show a few weeks ago, I found the casting of a black actress as a beautiful young Russian woman to be highly distracting, to say the least.
Which makes one ponder who put those chanting guys up to it.
I’ve known some pretty based Jews. Not many. But a few. They were robust dispensers of red pills on all things mosaic.
Except the browser software. I got that from a couple of white guys at NCSA.
One of the more glaring things Steve pointed out on here immediately after the election was “What the hell was Ted Cruz’s path to victory? He wins Oklahoma and Texas. Then what?”
Same thing with the Zuck. He wins California and Washington and then what?
If Zuck is smart, and I see no evidence of that, he should challenge Diane Feinstein for her Senate seat. All he has to do is get to the final round, which will be Dem v. Dem. A lot of us on the far left in California might vote for him just to end the career of Diane Feinstein, who is correctly regarded as a loathsome authoritarian plutocrat.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Is passionately RC Poland east of that line? Plus there is a significant RC Ukranian church among the orthodox sects. And what about the Armenian Catholic Church which is in communion with Rome as its called.
You as an audience member do not count. The whole point of Broadway plays is to make work for people perceived to be disadvantaged. Right??
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I would be less frustrated if we could get more of them to actively join the right and work at saving Western Civilization. They really did (as usual) bring this (as a group) on themselves.
We need more Bill Kristol’s sons joining the marines and unequivocally being for the country they live in, without the finger wagging. One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually. Go a very long way to disarming critics on the right.
But if recent and ancient history is any indication, they will (as a group, certainly not all) will continue to create victim status for themselves, while as group being one of the wealthiest subgroups in the country, while moralizing to anyone within earshot. And the entirely predictable breakdown of all normal relationships with other groups will happen again.
I disagree. The Jewish American intelligentsia already spent a lot of money bending evangelicals to Zionism. All that did was leave their pulpits wide open to leftism, which has now claimed even the Southern Baptists. More money from liberal Jews would only exacerbate that problem. If Jews want to help poor whites they should be using their political power to end affirmative action and the myriad other legal problems that render whites de facto second-class in their own country.
The irony is that at Steve points out, non-whites see Jews as white. Not just white, but uber white. Few have sympathy for Israel and, if anything, they may see the Palestinians as an oppressed POC, victims of the world's last white colonial power.
I don't think that it will end well for them in the West.
He may, like the cipher of a Congresscritter from the People's Commonwealth, Seth Moulton, have had some motives other than selfless service in mind.
Rather, this is the eternal war among White people. White people hate each other -- revealed preference: the inter-White slaughter far exceeds that of Whites slaughtering non-Whites. Look at WWI alone for example. Whites endured the trenches to slaughter other Whites.
There is a long standing genetic basis for GoodWhites to hold themselves above other Whites, the HuWhites or BadWhites, as being special and selected by God or Fate, a tiny band of light in the darkness, who will bring about the end times and in fierce battle against evil destroy the wicked, wicked world. This thread runs through the Vikings, Puritans, Cathars, Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones and the People's Temple, Calvinists, your modern Feminists, Pagans, Portlandians, and Boho Bobo out of David Brooks Whole Foods Shoppers.
The only thing interesting and unique about Jews is that they got the GoodWhite War on HuWhites first and hardest and most thoroughly, the way Blacks got defacto polygamy and multiple paternal siblings first and hardest. If the typical Black mother is single with three kids by different fathers each, the typical Jewish person is ultra liberal urban, professional (but only law, politics, media, business and never Military, Science, or Medicine now). Convinced he/she/xe/xer/zing/zow is on the cusp of eliminating evil forever and ushering in the Age of the Colors of Benetton.
Yeah Duh Jews are White. Just look at them. They are among the Whitest of Whites, just look at their Puritan/Calvinist/Viking/Cathar ways. There was doubtless a Viking version of David Brooks in 890 effetely turning up his nose at the Celts or Slavs, and Calvinist version of Bill Kristol deriding those damn Papists and deciding Mohammedans would be better.
This is an innate genetic flaw of nearly ALL Western Whites -- their eternal wars against each other that rival Hutus vs. Tutsis.Replies: @AM, @Alden, @Millennial
If you think Whites are the only race that slaughters their own, read some Chinese history, in college library books, not Wikepedia. You might start with the 1830s Taiping rebellion in which more than 10 million Chinese slaughtered each other. Then go back to Chinese prehistory. It’s 5 thousand years of slaughter.
Then check out Central Asia, and the non White Attila the Hun. Tamerlane, Genghis Khan, etc. Then the Zulus driving the Hxoa a thousand miles to the southern tip of Africa.
Here is a list on wikipedia of the costliest wars. Keep in mind that a significant portion of WW2 casualties, number one on the list, were Asian-on-Asian.
What stands out on this list is the number of events that have occurred in China.
Jews clearly are a subset of the Caucasian race, an argument I've had before with the alt-right. It's a little silly to be all "I'm a about science and the DNA" and not notice that Jews are indeed Caucasian.
That said, there is a reason people think along those lines.
Jews that sincerely convert to Christianity appear to behave in ways that are more reliably European, for lack of a better way to say it. Jews that either abandon their faith or are Jewish in an "unwoke" way tend to behave in unconscious ways that undermine the cohesion of the (usually) larger majority Caucasian group that they live in. Thus, very little to no fretting over converted Jews. Much concern and separation of Jews from whites. (The US is forced into a bit of awkwardness on this point thanks to the Euro-mutt heritage of most living citizens. If this were France, we'd say French separate from Jew. )
If you don't believe me, head over to blue check mark media Twitter, where one can find many off the wagon ethnic Jews. The brittle hostility to anything Christian or low class white is off the charts. And it's those pieces of the culture that hold us together.
I don't agree with the ineffectual sorts of antisemitism on the alt-right. But calling out the modern Jewish influence and hopefully getting some self modifications of the worst of that behavior would be very helpful.Replies: @Alden
Just read the on line editions of Jewish community papers if you want to know what Jews think of us. All my life secular atheist non practicing Jewish women sought me out to be friends. So I know what Jews think of the goyim.
They don’t think I’m a Jew, but they will just rattle on about the evil goyim. Getting together with other Jews and whining is part of their social life.
I suggest googling Jewish community newspapers. You will learn a lot.
You must be bullshitting.
Same thing with the Zuck. He wins California and Washington and then what?Replies: @anonn
Zuck wouldn’t even get close to winning the Democratic nomination in California. If the DNC rigged it for him like they rigged 2016 for Hilary (and why would they?) it would guarantee a third party challenger from the left.
If Zuck is smart, and I see no evidence of that, he should challenge Diane Feinstein for her Senate seat. All he has to do is get to the final round, which will be Dem v. Dem. A lot of us on the far left in California might vote for him just to end the career of Diane Feinstein, who is correctly regarded as a loathsome authoritarian plutocrat.
How about a poster whose handle refers to the lately departed FLOTUS? 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZFNaN02l8Replies: @guest
Mandy Patinkin was going to South Shore High School in Chicago in 1968 when, since his family was living in Hyde Park, should probably have been going to Hyde Park HS. But South Shore had quite a few Jews, which probably explains that. Unfortunately, the Black onslaught from the Deep South eventually chased the Jews off… so, I wonder what Patinkin REALLY thinks of Blacks.
Correct. People who spout about whites killing one another without mentioning other groups usually do so out of an ignorance of any history outside of the European experience.
Here is a list on wikipedia of the costliest wars. Keep in mind that a significant portion of WW2 casualties, number one on the list, were Asian-on-Asian.
What stands out on this list is the number of events that have occurred in China.
From “Spamalot”-takes a bunch of Brits to put it in words. But for many of the same reasons Mel Brooks could not make “Blazing Saddles” today, everyone has lost their sense of humor. And somehow cast the most mercantile, militaristic big government Founding Father as a snowflake Washington Heights Puerto Rican. –
ARTHUR:
Have you heard of this “Broadway?”
ROBIN:
Yes sire…and we don’t stand a chance there.
ARTHUR:
Why not?
ROBIN:
Because…Broadway is a very special place,
filled with very special people,
people who can sing and dance, often at the same time!
They are a different people, a multi-talented people,
a people…who need people…and who are, in many ways, the
luckiest people in…the world. I’m sorry sire, but we don’t stand a chance.
ARTHUR:
But why?
ROBIN:
Well…let me put it like this.
In any great adventure,
that you don’t want to lose,
victory depends upon the poeple that you choose.
So, listen, Arthur darling, closely to this news:
We won’t succeed on Broadway,
If you don’t have any Jews.
You may have the finest sets,
Fill the stage with penthouse pets,
You may have the loveliest costumes and best shoes.
You my dance and you may sing,
But I’m sorry, Arthur king,
You’ll hear no cheers,
Just lots and lots of boos.
ENSEMBLE:
Boo.
ROBIN:
You mahve have butch men by the score
Whom the audience adore,
You may even have some animals from zoos,
Though you’ve poles and krauts instead,
You may have unlevened bread,
But I tell you, you are dead,
If you don’t have any Jews.
They won’t care if it’s witty,
or everything looks pretty,
They’ll simply say it’s shitty and profuse.
Nobody will go, sir,
If it’s not kosher then no show, sir,
Even Goyem won’t be dim enough to choose!
Put on shows that make men stare,
With lots of girls in underwear,
You may even have the finest of reviews.
CRITIC:
You’re doing great!
ROBIN:
The audience won’t care, sir,
As long as you don’t dare, sir,
To open up on Broadway
If you don’t have any Jews.
You may have dramatic lighting,
Or lots of horrid fighting,
You may even have some white men sing the blues!
Your knights might be nice boys,
But sadly we’re all goys,
And that noise that you call singing you must lose.
So, despite your pretty lights,
and naughty girls in nasty tights,
and the most impressive scenery you use…
You may have dancing mana-mano,
You may bring on a piano,
But they will not give a damn-o
If you don’t have any Jews!
You may fill your play with gays,
Have Nigerian girls in stays,
GIRLS:
You may even have some schizas making stews!
ROBIN:
You haven’t got a clue,
If you don’t have a Jew,
All of your investments you are going to lose!
There’s a very small percentile,
Who enjoys a dancing gentile,
I’m sad to be the one with this bad news!
But never mind your swordplay,
You just won’t succeed on Broadway,
You just won’t succeed on Broadway,
If you don’t have any Jews!
Arthur, can you hear me?
To get along on Broadway,
To sing a song on Broadway,
To hit the top on Broadway and not lose,
I tell you, Arthur king,
There is one essential thing…
There simply must be, simply must be Jews.
There simply must be,
Arthur trust me,
Simply must be Jews.
Why, Che Guevara, of course!
The notion that Jews aren’t white is not a creation of “sites such as this”. On the off-chance you’ve never seen it, the very short Mike Wallace-Morgan Freeman video excerpt linked on this page is required viewing.
Jews have tried the “we’re both persecuted” shtick often in pop culture, going back to the thirties. It has never fully worked and can never do so. The PoCs are afraid or resentful of whites for reasons that carry over perfectly or more so for Jews.
“Is it possible that Jews aren’t as smart as they think they are? But then I realize that’s not a fair question. No one is as smart as Jews think they are.” Pretty smart, I’d reckon.
Already, Jewish media making the call for volunteer construction guys to come down and help rebuild Houston. Said construction guys would all be White deplorable Goy of course, there aren’t many Jews swinging hammers these days, nor Blacks. Where pretty smart comes in is Jews own insurance and banking, the two entities that pay out in low-cost loans and of course insurance claims. Of course, Insurance always denies every penny they can and so to ease the load, if they can get idiotic goy construction “volunteers”, hateful White men all, to come rebuild for free, even better for the insurance companies. Something tells me FEMA and insurance and banks are going to pay out less and be even cheaper than they were for Katrina. We’re 12 years post-Katrina, they haven’t paid hardly a claim since then, insurance dowries are somewhere north of 300 billion dollars, but they’re going to reach new heights of cheap with this storm. New Orleans may just get their Blacks back to the New Chocolate City as Mayor Jefferson (or whatever the Black Governor’s name was back then). But volunteers are being shamed to get down to Texas.
Don’t ever doubt yourself or your people, Moose. Yew Jews are some smart bastards, not to worry!
Well, that and to make people perceived to be disadvantaged feel that the play is about them. Even if they are not even in the audience.
I visit the regional orchestra occasionally, and some time ago their was a visiting black conductor. I must have seen, I don't know, 9 black people in the audience. That was up from the usual zero.
Normally it's whites only, with Asians on stage though not so much in the audience. There are plenty of Asians around, but I guess they're not the right kind.
Some evil White racists such as I refer to them as Obsolete Farm Equipment, pronounced ofeee.Replies: @res
Just wait until the timer expires and hit the one you wanted. It will erase the old one. This should be an Unz Review FAQ.
Jews do not realize that to people of color they are just rich over-privileged whites. To P.O.C. , Jews are not “minorities”. Nor do they feel any special connection to them. Jews are deluded in this. Look at the O.J. Simpson trial, where Marcia Clark let the defence pack the jury with black women because she had a delusional belief she had a “special bond” with black women. Look how well that worked out.
Rather, this is the eternal war among White people. White people hate each other -- revealed preference: the inter-White slaughter far exceeds that of Whites slaughtering non-Whites. Look at WWI alone for example. Whites endured the trenches to slaughter other Whites.
There is a long standing genetic basis for GoodWhites to hold themselves above other Whites, the HuWhites or BadWhites, as being special and selected by God or Fate, a tiny band of light in the darkness, who will bring about the end times and in fierce battle against evil destroy the wicked, wicked world. This thread runs through the Vikings, Puritans, Cathars, Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones and the People's Temple, Calvinists, your modern Feminists, Pagans, Portlandians, and Boho Bobo out of David Brooks Whole Foods Shoppers.
The only thing interesting and unique about Jews is that they got the GoodWhite War on HuWhites first and hardest and most thoroughly, the way Blacks got defacto polygamy and multiple paternal siblings first and hardest. If the typical Black mother is single with three kids by different fathers each, the typical Jewish person is ultra liberal urban, professional (but only law, politics, media, business and never Military, Science, or Medicine now). Convinced he/she/xe/xer/zing/zow is on the cusp of eliminating evil forever and ushering in the Age of the Colors of Benetton.
Yeah Duh Jews are White. Just look at them. They are among the Whitest of Whites, just look at their Puritan/Calvinist/Viking/Cathar ways. There was doubtless a Viking version of David Brooks in 890 effetely turning up his nose at the Celts or Slavs, and Calvinist version of Bill Kristol deriding those damn Papists and deciding Mohammedans would be better.
This is an innate genetic flaw of nearly ALL Western Whites -- their eternal wars against each other that rival Hutus vs. Tutsis.Replies: @AM, @Alden, @Millennial
Exactly. Europeans never killed each other until the Vikings and Puritans showed up.
The Romans and the early Catholics never thought of themselves as superior to the European barbarians/pagans that they enjoyed killing/forcibly civilizing/converting.
It’s called seeing the silver lining as they don’t make ’em like that anymore.
I remember liking it when I was like 14, then it disappeared.Replies: @Steve Sailer
If Zuck is smart, and I see no evidence of that, he should challenge Diane Feinstein for her Senate seat. All he has to do is get to the final round, which will be Dem v. Dem. A lot of us on the far left in California might vote for him just to end the career of Diane Feinstein, who is correctly regarded as a loathsome authoritarian plutocrat.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
But that’s an awful pay cut for Augustus to just be one out of a hundred. He’s not styling his hair like Cicero.
Sounds like the large contingent outside St Petersburg in 1810 were living in a Patinkin Village… twinned with Brigadoon.
http://forward.com/scribe/380705/alt-right-jew-charlottesville-was-a-wake-up-call/(if you read his other stuff, he is basically making the argument you make here)I'd very much like to see this happen (pulling off the ethnocentric Jewish bloc, as you call it). But I don't think it will happen, at least not anytime soon.Replies: @IHTG, @Colleen Pater, @Issac
“But it doesn’t help to have guys running around in Charlottesville chanting Nazi slogans.”
Please tell me how you think the inhabitants of Israel would react if they were as put upon by a 2% Christian minority as the Americans are by our diaspora.
I would be less frustrated if we could get more of them to actively join the right and work at saving Western Civilization. They really did (as usual) bring this (as a group) on themselves.
We need more Bill Kristol's sons joining the marines and unequivocally being for the country they live in, without the finger wagging. One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually. Go a very long way to disarming critics on the right.
But if recent and ancient history is any indication, they will (as a group, certainly not all) will continue to create victim status for themselves, while as group being one of the wealthiest subgroups in the country, while moralizing to anyone within earshot. And the entirely predictable breakdown of all normal relationships with other groups will happen again.Replies: @Issac, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Brutusale
“One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually.”
I disagree. The Jewish American intelligentsia already spent a lot of money bending evangelicals to Zionism. All that did was leave their pulpits wide open to leftism, which has now claimed even the Southern Baptists. More money from liberal Jews would only exacerbate that problem. If Jews want to help poor whites they should be using their political power to end affirmative action and the myriad other legal problems that render whites de facto second-class in their own country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_Gannibal
Looking like a rerun of the Laura Bush administration.
1. The older generation won't jump en masse to the Republican party. To much inertia at play.
2. For the younger generation, the most liberal subset is entirely quitting the faith. The more moderate remainder is surprisingly conservative. I think this is largely a function of having a brain on an American college campus in the last 20 years. Even if one is lukewarm on Israel, that puts one far to the right of the typical social science professor (or student). Judaism is definitely unpopular among the SJW crowd -- only Muslims or black Christians are acceptable religious adherents to that group -- I quit the left in part due to clear loathing for Jewishness.
3. The big factor at play remain that most Jews live in a handful of expensive cities (i.e. dirt gap), though they do well financially, ameliorating that to a certain degree. The downtown synagogues in my city are MUCH more liberal than the suburban ones.
My guess is there's going to be a certain amount of civil war on this front over the next couple of years. The business focused Jews will drift Republican. The media types who are big time dirt gap types will drift left. However, at the end of day, the overarching challenge is that the non-Jewish SJWs loath Israel and the religion which will probably send the Jewish vote closer to the median.Replies: @AM, @Sunbeam, @Brutusale
” The business focused Jews will drift Republican.”
Drift to what though? Just can’t see the present Republican Party lasting in this form.
I can see what takes its place being business friendly, but by necessity it is going to abhor things like the current free trade setup, and be a lot more likely to adopt nativist economic policies like most of the Asian countries. Not to mention being against immigration in general, and outright opposed to H1B visas and the illegals that Central Valley farmers love so much.
So can you see them being down with something like that? I truly have no idea.
Works for Israel and those Asian countries.
Jews are people too, and people are turned off by wanton disregard for one's own country.
The Englishman who played the villain in Deadpool and apparently plays somebody on Game of Thrones (I don't watch it) has pulled out of the new Hellboy film because his (Heavily facially-scarred) character in the comics was originally mixed Asian ancestry.
It's an interesting precedent, I don't think an actor has ever backed out of a role for this kind of reason before. Now it will likely intensify the pressure next time (But only for 'whitewashing' not the other way around). It's one thing for the studio to change a casting, it's another to expect an actor to give up work for this kind of reason. Maybe he thought all the good press and press in general in Hollywood for his ideological commitment would offset his losing this job though. Maybe they did sack him and this was a way for him to look good. Either way he has set up an unfortunate precedent for other actors.
Here is a picture of the comic character and actor.
http://reappropriate.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/edskrein-bendamio.jpg
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-august-ed-skrein-leaves-hellboy-1503954133-htmlstory.html
Here is his apology note.Be interesting to see if they recast with a person of mixed ancestry or fully Asian. I think for fun they should just cast a black woman and see what happens.Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @guest
Cast everything with black women. If we had done that a long time ago we’d be on Mars by now.
The Englishman who played the villain in Deadpool and apparently plays somebody on Game of Thrones (I don't watch it) has pulled out of the new Hellboy film because his (Heavily facially-scarred) character in the comics was originally mixed Asian ancestry.
It's an interesting precedent, I don't think an actor has ever backed out of a role for this kind of reason before. Now it will likely intensify the pressure next time (But only for 'whitewashing' not the other way around). It's one thing for the studio to change a casting, it's another to expect an actor to give up work for this kind of reason. Maybe he thought all the good press and press in general in Hollywood for his ideological commitment would offset his losing this job though. Maybe they did sack him and this was a way for him to look good. Either way he has set up an unfortunate precedent for other actors.
Here is a picture of the comic character and actor.
http://reappropriate.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/edskrein-bendamio.jpg
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-august-ed-skrein-leaves-hellboy-1503954133-htmlstory.html
Here is his apology note.Be interesting to see if they recast with a person of mixed ancestry or fully Asian. I think for fun they should just cast a black woman and see what happens.Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @guest
“Culturally accurate?” Doesn’t he mean racially accurate? They have to pretend race doesn’t exist as they’re sacrificing themselves upon the altar of anti-“whitewashing?”
They already carved themselves out a place nextdoor to the left, partly because of the Black Question. Or some of them did. It was called neoconservatism. Now they have mainstream conservatism too, so long as it remains mainstream.
Your rock–or is it the hard place–of dissident rightism is relatively small for the moment. It’s got a lot of press since Hillary got upset at a cartoon frog last year, but it’s really no serious problem for Jews. Yet.
The real impossible situation is looming, and that’s when Jews figure out they lost the diversity game. When they become just another kind of white person. By that time–I mean by the time it’s undeniable and obvious to everyone (because it’s already happening, whether they notice or not)–there will be a more prominent populist right. It will replace the existing mainstream right, though the Establishment will not allow it to be recognized as mainstream,even for the right, like they did Bill Buckley.
It won’t be the current alt-right or dissident right, I believe. It’ll be different, but it won’t be a playground for high-toned, verbally gifted, members of a certain ethnic group. They’ll play it off like they’re afraid of hanging from lampposts, but really they’re afraid of losing paychecks. Because being the respectable opposition is a good gig if you can get it, and the populist and unruly right is poised to supplant neoconservatism and regular conservatism.
That’s a bit in the future, is what I’m saying.
Part of the point is to get those sort of people to come. A little part, I admit, as the main point is redistributive justice in casting and virtue signalling.
I visit the regional orchestra occasionally, and some time ago their was a visiting black conductor. I must have seen, I don’t know, 9 black people in the audience. That was up from the usual zero.
Normally it’s whites only, with Asians on stage though not so much in the audience. There are plenty of Asians around, but I guess they’re not the right kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZFNaN02l8Replies: @guest
The Dana Carvey Show was an anomaly, cancelled very quickly but chock-full of talent that would later bloom. Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert, and I think Bob Odenkirk in the cast, Louis C.K. and Charlie Kaufman as writers.
I remember liking it when I was like 14, then it disappeared.
I remember liking it when I was like 14, then it disappeared.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Did Carvey have some heart problems? He was a spectacular talent in his prime, but I think his health was poor.
The story that the Jews were in Egypt – in great numbers – is nonsense. Furthermore, the Ancient Egyptians did not have slaves for doing the low-grade work as there were always plenty of peasants to do that.
Slavery in the Middle East was very much a feature of the nomadic people – not of the agricultural societies like Egypt.
There is absolutely no – zero – archaeological evidence that Egypt ever hosted a large number of Jews in the period in question. Even the word “pharaoh” (فرعون) is not an Egyptian word. It is an Arabic/Semitic word with nothing similar in the ancient Egyptian language.
The Jews of Alexandria deliberately mistranslated their Torah into Greek so as to assure the Romans when they occupied Egypt that they had come there before the Greeks (who had created Alexandria). It was an early example of their skills in PR and obfuscation.
The reality is that the Jews of the Bible (who have little to do with the Jews of Eastern Europe BTW) came from Yemen and Hijaz (western part of Saudi Arabia). Their progress during the exodus corresponds very well with the names of places and the geographic features of the region.
Suggested reading:
“Egypt knew no Pharaohs nor Israelites”
http://amzn.com/B00U8VK8JE (Kindle)
The Fast and the Furious is the future of entertainment for a Brazilianized America
Not for the 1st or 1,001st time, domestic racial intrigue becomes an instrument to benefit tall Afro-imported preppish smoothees (Onaodowan) rather than anybody descended from a plantation slave. Much of the new gimme-gimme wokeness is strategic immigriping in disguise. Of course much of ye olde bewokenness was too (Holder Jr. types). Oppression cosplay is our nat’l sport
But…I just saw last week an openly Jewish reporter question how much money we’re spending in Afghanistan. And the Christian Hukabee could only respond with a frustrated” American lives don’t have price tags.”
Sounds like a good question. Surprising that the (usually adroit/glib) Huckabee muffed it. But endless occupation of the Khyber Pass is who we are as Americans, it’s in the Constitution… Somewhere in the back, after the statue-destruction starter list
This debate about whether Jews are white is interesting but pointless. To the average non-Jewish American, Jews are white though they dont quite behave like other whites. Yes they look white but they never forget that they are Jewish. I know a large number of Jewish people where I live, they always bring up the fact that they are Jewish no matter what the conversation is about. Having been around them for such a long time I ignore it. Make no mistake though, this is forefront in their minds.
Their own media says they are not white. Evidence here:
http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/jews-are-not-white-in-21st-century-usa
http://paulkivel.com/resource/im-not-white-im-jewish-standing-as-jews-in-the-fight-for-racial-justice/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/us-census-whiteness-race-colour-middle-east-north-africa-america
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/190932/why-white-american-jews-should-rethink-race
There is lots more if you dig on the web. They are playing both sides of the equation – they get the perks of being white and at the same time claim they are persecuted minority. It doesnt get to be any better than that. And never forget they almost always vote Democrat. Typically very, very liberal about minorities that its until diversity comes to where they live.
To minorities – Jews look just like any other whites that have tons of privilege and are very affluent. You are a whitey. The average American Jewish person does not want to live in diverse neighborhoods any more than any other non-Jewish white person. Lots of affluent Jewish towns are lily white as they say. They are good places to live even if you are not Jewish. I have however seen these towns self destruct by importing diversity, than Jewish flight begins – same exact deal as white flight.
I want to see how they are going to convince the minorities that they are not white.
The Hajnal line goes through Poland – St. Petersburg to Trieste, so I don’t know. The Ukrainian Catholics are Orthodox who switched allegiance to the Pope.
I would be less frustrated if we could get more of them to actively join the right and work at saving Western Civilization. They really did (as usual) bring this (as a group) on themselves.
We need more Bill Kristol's sons joining the marines and unequivocally being for the country they live in, without the finger wagging. One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually. Go a very long way to disarming critics on the right.
But if recent and ancient history is any indication, they will (as a group, certainly not all) will continue to create victim status for themselves, while as group being one of the wealthiest subgroups in the country, while moralizing to anyone within earshot. And the entirely predictable breakdown of all normal relationships with other groups will happen again.Replies: @Issac, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Brutusale
I think that you are right. It’s heartening that Bill Kristol’s son is serving in the US Marines, not in the IDF.
The irony is that at Steve points out, non-whites see Jews as white. Not just white, but uber white. Few have sympathy for Israel and, if anything, they may see the Palestinians as an oppressed POC, victims of the world’s last white colonial power.
I don’t think that it will end well for them in the West.
1. While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).
2. Jews in America are honorary non-whites (for now) and, thus far, nobody in the mainstream media has cottoned on to the fact that "unbearable whiteness" in professionally and financially desirable fields is almost invariably accompanied by an even more "unbearable" Jewishness in those self-same fields.
3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. While European demographics are not such as to allow for the almost feral degree of anti-white hatred that consumes the American left, the European left is pretty anti-white and seems to admire (and envy) the extent to which the American left can indulge its passion for anti-white signalling. Be that as it may, outside a few shrinking pockets of the London leftie set, Europe's respectable left accords no special protected status to Jews when it comes to the allocation of stigma arising from the historical corruption of white blood.
4. Indeed, on the less respectable left, Jews are now quite close to attaining the status of whitey squared. Of course, Europe's hard left (which is far to the left of Sanders or Nader in the US) still insists that its problem is with "Zionists" and not Jews. However, as the European left's voting base is increasingly dominated by Muslim and African-descended voters for whom the distinction is not terribly resonant, Jews are drawing less and less comfort from it.
The above naturally raises the questions of: (a) how Jews and leftists so markedly diverged on either side of the Atlantic; (b) what the consequences of this divergence are for politics in Europe and America; (c) whether we might see some future convergence; and (d) what such a convergence would look like.
To take the first question, we must analyse the key demographic differences between Europe and the United States:
1. Due to a combination of mass migrations from Europe to the United States in the 19th and early 20th centuries and certain unpleasant events in Central and Eastern Europe in those centuries, a disproportionate share of Europe's Jewish population emigrated to America, meaning that the Jewish population is smaller and thus less politically influential in Europe that in America. This meant that while the pro-Zionist politics that dominated the left in the mid-2oth century largely operated at a poseur level in Europe, where relatively few of the influential left wing thinkers were Jewish. This meant that when Zionism lost its chic on the left, it had no natural critical mass of champions to defend it, in contrast to the US.
2. A higher proportion of European Jews would be Yekke and Sephardic Jews rather than Eastern European Ashkenazim. The former are, generally speaking, more politically conservative than the latter. This probably gave European Jews a slightly more right-ish lean than Jews in the United States.
3. Geographically and demographically speaking, Europe's Mexicans are Middle Eastern and North African Muslims and its Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis - i.e. the Muslim world is the major proximate source of mass third world immigration in Europe. Unlike Hispanics, who have almost zero political cohesion outside of the fantasy world in which Washington political consultants live, Muslims have their religion, which acts as a very effective political glue.
4. Whilst Hispanics play second fiddle to blacks in the US, European Muslims have the advantage of being much more numerous than blacks and having been so for quite a long time. By contrast, Europe's much smaller black population lacks cohesion compared with America's. Most blacks in continental Europe are or are descended from African immigrants who came in the 1950s or later. The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK. However, they came as free immigrants from Jamaica, Trinidad, etc. The only unifying romance that European blacks have is imported from the US via Hollywood and rap music and while the European left does plenty to encourage black grievance culture, it is constrained by the relatively low political profitability that relatively small black numbers accord them.
5. Imagine a US with a hyper aggressive Hispanic population most of which has converted to Islam and then imagine a black population a third the size of what it is and consisting 50% of African immigrants who are not descended from slaves. Then imagine 75-80% fewer Jews. That's pretty close to what we have in Europe. In such a scenario, the largely poseur-level (for now) anti-Semitism of blacks would give way to the genuine and visceral anti-Semitism of Muslims and the left would be faced with an increasingly burdensome carry-cost for retaining Jews as a protected group. Well that's more or less what we have in Europe, with young leftists wearing Arafat scarves (and I'm talking about white leftists here).
So that's the why. What's the result? Well, like all things in life, it rather depends upon perspective.
1. European leftists are disgusted at the American left's lack of "solidarity" with the Palestinians and, at a grassroots level, many if not most lefties would see Jewish influence on the left as being an example of Goldman Sachs money corrupting the left and driving it away from economic populism and third world solidarity - and remember, to the European leftist who has lacked the narcotic high of attacking colonialism and Apartheid for some decades now, the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it's one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.
2. That said, while the European left is more economically populist than the American left, one cannot ignore two other factors.
3. The first is that the European left is nowhere near as powerful as the American left. The Democratic Party has now won the popular vote (or at least the popular vote including fraudulent votes) in every presidential election bar one since 1988. By contrast, without the alliance of (disproportionately Jewish) plutocrats and third world flash mobs that constitutes the Democratic base, the European left struggles to maintain influence. For example, the British Labour Party hasn't won an election since 2005, the German Social Democrats haven't won one since 2002 and the French Socialists have won the Elysee Palace once since 1988 (in what looks like the rather anomalous 2012 election).
4. While it is more economically populist than the US left, the European left's priorities are fundamentally the same as the Democratic Party's. Its concern for the working class now largely involves looking after discrete client groups like public sector unions and it is generally much more motivated by identity politics, bathroom wars and that ever-lengthening LGBTQWERTYUIOP acronym.
5 Looked at in the context of 4 and 5 above, the American left's continued message discipline in relation to Jews looks more like an intelligent trade-off - albeit one which probably isn't open to European leftists due to the less favourable demographics it faces.
Third and fourth questions. Will there be a convergence between Europe and America and what does such a convergence look like?
1. The basic difference between the US and Europe is that history and geography gerrymandered the former a lot more than they did the latter. Hispanics are inert and indisciplined. Jews are neither. (American) Blacks are indisciplined but are far from inert. This means that the Hispanics disappoint those who expect them to turn into shock troops for the Democratic Party but it also means that their support for the Democratic Party comes at a price that it would, in any event, have already had to pay in order to maintain black support (keep the welfare cheques coming) and elite white support (keep the immigrants coming). This means that the mediocre political support that Hispanics give the Dems costs them nothing, which dramatically raises its de facto value. Meanwhile, blacks have inherited the African "big man" system of political organisation, one of the features of which is that black voters are often as interested in delivering power and prestige to their community's elites as they are in their own welfare. This means that they vote for Hispanic immigration that hurts their own interests because it increases the size of the political coalitions that make their leaders (Obama, Sharpton, Holder, Lynch, Harris etc.) more powerful. Jews and other elite whites have the habit of elite whites everywhere - namely that of accepting rhetorical excesses they don't like in return for policies they do. This kind of gerrymander is just too good to plan and even for manipulators like the Democrats, they had to rely on about 70% dumb luck.
2. However, gerrymandered systems keep working until they don't and when that point comes, the gerrymander massively amplifies the effect of any backlash. Fundamentally, it's a numbers game. Like a power plant that is at is most efficient generation capacity when it's 1 Watt away from causing a transformer explosion, the marginal returns on gerrymandering suddenly go negative just moments after they were at their peak. The election of Donald Trump gives us a clue as to how this works in practice.
3. The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview. Why? Because since the 1980s, every region of the west outside of North America has had regular conservative nationalist eruptions. In the 1980s, the Front National came on the scene in France. Already, 20 years ago, we had the FPO in Austria and the Lega Nord, Alleanza Nationale and Fiama di Tricolore in Italy, the Vlaams Belang in Belgium, One Nation in Australia and New Zealand First. Now we also have Wilders in the Netherlands, the Sweden Democrats etc. as well. However, American politics maintained utterly boring and conventional post 1945 centrist politics. Indeed, 10 years ago, mainstream Republicans and DLC Democrats regularly used to lecture Europeans on why America had avoided the "far-right" trap.
4. Of course, it was all down to demographics and electoral systems. America's first past the post electoral system prevented small parties from developing and her demographics meant that the type of anti-white cultural Marxism against which European voters were reacting was such a politically powerful force in America that it was able to crush national conservatism. Then what happened? Size, my dear boy, size. Eventually the anti-white ethnic blocs in America became too large and unruly and catalysed an opposable cohesion and the American electoral system that had protected both parties from dissent suddenly found itself assailed. Until you get roughly a quarter of America, you are stuck on the margins. However, once you get to that magic number, that's it: one of the parties (in this case the GOP) becomes yours. So, never having had a nationalist political movement, in one fell swoop, America ended up passing Europe out and going straight to a nationalist president.
5. My prediction is that (at the very latest), once the 34-49 year old age group reaches a critical mass of non-whiteness, the Democrats' white establishment will suddenly find itself unable to avoid the type of pandering that European leftists have been doing since the 1970s to typical third world non-white sentiment re Jews, namely as being not just whites but the worst and most irredeemable kind of whites - and then the dam will break.
6. What will a sign of such break look like? In my view, look for a Jim Clancy moment with the opposite ending. Remember that Clancy went onto Twitter not to engage in Jew bashing but to indulge in pro-Islamic virtue signalling. Clancy is, of course, Irish American and (in my considerable experience of dealing with Irish people) the Irish are slightly less uptight about Jews than other white ethnics. My guess is that, as an Irish American, he overestimated the speed with which Jews were falling out of favour on the left and thought that he could use "Hasbara" as a synonym for white racist. I reckon that Unlucky Jim got it a few years premature. My prediction: There will be a Jim Clancy-Hasbara-type moment some time in the not-to-distant future and that will be the sign that American Jews will be about to travel further and faster in the direction of European Jews and without the intellectual coherence that they give what Steve calls the "coalition of the fringes", it will, as the old Chinese saying goes, crumble like dry tofu.Replies: @biz
Thank you. This is the most accurate and knowledgeable thing that has been written regarding Jews, their perspectives, and perspectives on them, on this website, ever.
One important thing I would add though in considering the past and future trajectories of European and American Jews is the coming reckoning of the tremendous rate of assimilation and intermarriage in the latter.
In Europe (and also Israel) there is a vast cultural middle ground for Jewish people between Orthodoxy and complete assimilation. People can have a strong sense of Jewish identity without being Orthodox or even religious. In the US, by contrast, this has always been less so and has become even less so lately. Secular American Jews are intermarrying at rates above 50%.
American Jewry is rapidly dividing between:
a) a growing Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox group which is right wing in their politics (although for very different reasons in the two cases – support for Israel in the former and conservative religious values in the latter)
and
b) a secular group which is liberal or left wing in their politics and rapidly blending and intermarrying with similarly socioeconomically and politically situated WASPs, Asians, and others.
Will the secular group, as they become – and already are to a significant degree – only 1/2 and 1/4 Jewish, retain their sense of Jewish identity? And is so, what will this identity mean to them? Will it be
i) an identification with Jewish heritage and ethnicity, and support for Israel, as in secular Jews in Europe or Israel or
ii) an identification first and foremost with liberal or leftist values or
iii) a footnote to their otherwise WASP, Asian, etc. heritage?
If it is option ii or iii, which it is likely to be in my opinion, then your predicted rightward reckoning will not come. On the other hand, if it is option i then yes, American Jews who are currently on the left will have to swing to the right.
They don't think I'm a Jew, but they will just rattle on about the evil goyim. Getting together with other Jews and whining is part of their social life.
I suggest googling Jewish community newspapers. You will learn a lot.Replies: @biz
Yeah, Jews hate non-Jews so much that over 50% of Jews now marry non-Jews.
You must be bullshitting.
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlight/2001-11-05-carvey-heart.htm
America’s original sin was importing Africans. So stop sinning by stopping importing Africans.
Drift to what though? Just can't see the present Republican Party lasting in this form.
I can see what takes its place being business friendly, but by necessity it is going to abhor things like the current free trade setup, and be a lot more likely to adopt nativist economic policies like most of the Asian countries. Not to mention being against immigration in general, and outright opposed to H1B visas and the illegals that Central Valley farmers love so much.
So can you see them being down with something like that? I truly have no idea.Replies: @Desiderius
Why not?
Works for Israel and those Asian countries.
Jews are people too, and people are turned off by wanton disregard for one’s own country.
No doubt the starving Ukrainians of the Holodomor,already suffering so severely,had their pain made worse by the knowledge that the Jews were experiencing their tragic pendulum.
“Those Jews are so tragic. It’s really sad. Got any food?”
1. The older generation won't jump en masse to the Republican party. To much inertia at play.
2. For the younger generation, the most liberal subset is entirely quitting the faith. The more moderate remainder is surprisingly conservative. I think this is largely a function of having a brain on an American college campus in the last 20 years. Even if one is lukewarm on Israel, that puts one far to the right of the typical social science professor (or student). Judaism is definitely unpopular among the SJW crowd -- only Muslims or black Christians are acceptable religious adherents to that group -- I quit the left in part due to clear loathing for Jewishness.
3. The big factor at play remain that most Jews live in a handful of expensive cities (i.e. dirt gap), though they do well financially, ameliorating that to a certain degree. The downtown synagogues in my city are MUCH more liberal than the suburban ones.
My guess is there's going to be a certain amount of civil war on this front over the next couple of years. The business focused Jews will drift Republican. The media types who are big time dirt gap types will drift left. However, at the end of day, the overarching challenge is that the non-Jewish SJWs loath Israel and the religion which will probably send the Jewish vote closer to the median.Replies: @AM, @Sunbeam, @Brutusale
As a mid-Boomer, my Jewish friends are exactly the same; the observant are right leaning and the lapsed Jews are left. The lapsed Jews are also mostly married to goyim.
The real difference, though, is that the lefties are WAY out on the left.
I would be less frustrated if we could get more of them to actively join the right and work at saving Western Civilization. They really did (as usual) bring this (as a group) on themselves.
We need more Bill Kristol's sons joining the marines and unequivocally being for the country they live in, without the finger wagging. One article proposed that conservative Jewish temples start giving money to local failing churches, if there was surplus. Stuff like that would really help, actually. Go a very long way to disarming critics on the right.
But if recent and ancient history is any indication, they will (as a group, certainly not all) will continue to create victim status for themselves, while as group being one of the wealthiest subgroups in the country, while moralizing to anyone within earshot. And the entirely predictable breakdown of all normal relationships with other groups will happen again.Replies: @Issac, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Brutusale
Kristol’s kid went from the Marine Corps straight to McKinsey for some additional seasoning, then to the Senate as a “legislative director”.
He may, like the cipher of a Congresscritter from the People’s Commonwealth, Seth Moulton, have had some motives other than selfless service in mind.