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  1. The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Jim Don Bob

    Was it an act of self defense?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob


    The Religion of Peace strikes again.
     
    Could Bush II have been impeached merely for saying that? It must have been tempting for Democrats to think that, but to do so would cloud their message.

    Trump was awful friendly to those 'Rabs last week. I'd watch out.
    , @aceofspades
    @Jim Don Bob

    Yes sir, most certainly a religion of peace!

    , @Alden
    @Jim Don Bob

    This just in: most of the dead are under 16. Fuddy duddies like MW and others will rejoice that some White British girls are dead because of their slutty clothes.

    The Queen and Prince Phillip observed just one minute of silence. The other royals said nothing.

    I wonder if any royals will attend memorial services, probably not as that would show bias in favor of the indigenous British.

  2. The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we’ll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    @reiner Tor

    Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary.

    Rand Paul 2020.

    , @Corvinus
    @reiner Tor

    "Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue."

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros' liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Brutusale

  3. I would say the West is playing rope-a-dope, but I’m not sure a corpse can play rope-a-dope…

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  4. The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Election, June 8th, 2017

    Aerage of Polls, Mid May 2016
    45% Conservatives
    33% Labor
    8% Lib Dem
    4% UKIP
    4% SNP
    2% Green
    4% Other

    , @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood."

    The only thing ticking is your lack of a recent post on your site. Dude, quit chasing ambulances and offer up your trenchant analysis on Orthodox Christianity and its future in the new America after it is broken up into several regions.

  5. It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”

    • Replies: @EriK
    @danindc


    It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”
     
    Lord please don't tell me she left out the "and span."
    , @Percy Gryce
    @danindc

    Yes, and here's the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/867072697997590528

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @anonymous
    @danindc

    Now this is getting serious.


    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Autochthon

  6. anon • Disclaimer says:

    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    • Replies: @Bastion
    @anon

    Yes, we have to remember the moderate Muslims. Extremist muslims are the ones who attack and murder westerners. Moderate muslims are the ones who want extremists to attack and murder us. Big difference.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @anon

    Speaking of "not real Muslims", how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of "invade the world"... crazy world.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Jefferson
    @anon

    "Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim."

    If the Manchester bomber is not a real Muslim than Dylann Roof is not a real White.

    If Muslims are not capable of behaving like barbaric animals than neither are Whites.

  7. Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria…)

    • Replies: @biz
    @Opinionator

    Nope. When people have a sincere belief that killing infidels will earn them an eternity in paradise surrounded by 72 virgins, and also a sincere belief that they are entitled by divine right to rule over and conquer Dar Al Hab, it doesn't matter what happens in geopolitics.

    , @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @for-the-record

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    You know, Steve has a pithy slogan for what's going on: Invade the world, invite the world.

    , @Tex
    @Opinionator

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to "invade the world, invite the world" policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Yngvar
    @Opinionator


    The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.
     
    Islamic State’s Dabiq magazine issue #15

    Self hating Westerners are of no use for us. Go away.
    , @John Pepple
    @Opinionator


    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

     

    In other words, "we'd still be attacking you for your toleration of homosexuality, even if you stopped invading us."

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @David the Minion
    @Opinionator

    And every one of those 'aggressions' the righteous and legitimate response to Muslim war making against us and our allies.

    Islam delenda est!

    Replies: @Opinionator

  8. The sane and rational reaction would be to completely shut down Muslim immigration and the resettlement of refugees. (In the UK, which still has an established religion, it would legally be possible to monitor and suppress the existing Muslim population as well).

    Of course, we can readily predict that the opposite will happen. The socio-political elites will redouble the enforcement of hate crimes and political correctness, continue to kiss Muslims on the ass, and continue to tighten the enforcement of the soft totalitarianism that the UK has become against the native British population.

    One aspect of this that I find fascinating is the “security theater” of the British police. Every time one of these attacks occurs, Bobbies swarm the streets armed with handguns and battle rifles that are completely banned from the British public. British gun control has been 100% ineffective at stopping terrorist acts. As far as I’m aware, none of these cops have ever stopped a terrorist attack in progress, despite the fact that the British police have far greater powers than Americans to monitor and suppress the public.

    The problem of terrorism caused by foreigners (or people descended from foreigners) is 100% the fault of the British government given the fact that they are an island nation and nobody can get there without the permission of the government. They respond with a ridiculous and ineffective show of force after the fact, because they cannot admit that they are the ones indirectly responsible for the deaths of their own people.

    • Agree: prole
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Dr. X

    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Dissident

    , @Alden
    @Dr. X

    Britain has passed several "extremist speech" laws in the last 20 years. But those laws are only enforced against Whites who express anti Muslim ideas. It's like TSA, Whites are searched and insulted while blacks and browns are waved through.

  9. This might be seen as a troll, if so, fair enough. But all the same, if things don’t change, this might be the turning point after which reactionaries really start to get their heads around the idea of adopting Islam in order to destroy it, in accordance with the Halloween Papers. Agree and amplify. Embrace, extend, extinguish.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Johan Schmidt

    well, duh, the "extinguish" part, is problematic. Our laws against murder prevent that.

  10. Jake says:

    Liberalism means that every Liberal failure means we must do the same thing and double or triple the spending. So we should now strive to bring 30 million Moslems to the US over the next 5 years. That many new adherents of the great religion of peace, all given Affirmative Action preferences, surely will lead to peace.

    Invade the world, invite the world. But to make it work, you must also damn your non-Elite whites, blaming them and historic Christianity for all the problems, while giving the non-whites from the invited world every imaginable freebie and lowered standard.

  11. How will it affect the election?

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @IHTG

    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Thomas

    , @Johan Schmidt
    @IHTG

    We're past the point at which these events could possibly cause a rightward shift. If anything it will probably motivate Labour voters in divided areas.

  12. Is this an example of Not-Trump’s Luck?

    If this event had happened when Trump was in the U.S., wouldn’t it be a prime opportunity to push through part of his border-and-deport agenda? Instead, he’s thousands of miles abroad, singing kumbaya with the Saudis (blech!), the Israelis (grrr), and Pope Francis (ugh).

    God help us if we need to have an Ariana Grande moment in the U.S. for that to happen. But it looks like it may.

    P.S. I think anyone running for office just needs to continuously run commercials of every major Western terrorist attack since Obama was elected in 2008, or, better yet, since 2001. We need to be continually reminded that the current Establishment has done nothing to stop or even slow down the terrorism happening in the West. It actually would sell better, I think, than focusing on Mexicans per se, if only because to non-border folks it’s an easier sell that Mexicans aren’t that dangerous (even though they are).

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @whorefinder

    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.

    Replies: @whorefinder

  13. From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

    • Replies: @anon
    @Opinionator

    All the more reason to keep people from this culture out of our countries.

    , @Alden
    @Opinionator

    So, I gather it's all right to bomb a teeny bopper concert an kill and wound dozens because of Bush 2?

  14. The culprit wasn’t a Muslim, I’m 100% certain—because if it was a Muslim, it wasn’t a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there’s no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don’t commit terrorist attacks.

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Deso Dogg

    No True Mussulman

    , @unpc downunder
    @Deso Dogg

    Who knows, maybe you're right. But one thing I do know he is a hot-headed middle eastern male, who comes from a culture with very different values to those of North Europe. Therefore it would be wise not to let people like him into the country.

    It's race, culture and demography that are the big issues, not liberal and neoconservative arguments about various sects of Islam.

  15. In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I’m seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

  16. Nothing will change. No actual actions to prevent such actions – like extreme vetting, deportation and removal. The next one will be worse.

  17. TG says:

    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won’t find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    • Replies: @Gross Terry
    @TG

    Dumb. They have a founding text, a prophet, and a calendar. All the hallmarks of a religion. The idea of a "Buddhist-Muslim" or a "Atheist-Muslim" doesn't make any sense.

    On the other hand, the idea of a "Buddhist Jew" or an "Atheist Jew".....

    , @Opinionator
    @TG

    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    , @Art Deco
    @TG

    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @TG


    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).
     
    All that does not prove Islam is not a religion. They prove that it is indeed a religion.

    When Christianity was a real religion, it slew its enemies and conquered and converted by the sword. Men killed and died for it. Islam still has a large element of that, of course many Muslims are not involved in jihad, but enough of them are it survives as a religion.


    Of course, National Socialism was a religion, too. Ask "Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany". They are dead, but their writings live on. So do those of Savitri Devi.
    , @Daniel H
    @TG

    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Intelligent Dasein

  18. @whorefinder
    Is this an example of Not-Trump's Luck?

    If this event had happened when Trump was in the U.S., wouldn't it be a prime opportunity to push through part of his border-and-deport agenda? Instead, he's thousands of miles abroad, singing kumbaya with the Saudis (blech!), the Israelis (grrr), and Pope Francis (ugh).

    God help us if we need to have an Ariana Grande moment in the U.S. for that to happen. But it looks like it may.

    P.S. I think anyone running for office just needs to continuously run commercials of every major Western terrorist attack since Obama was elected in 2008, or, better yet, since 2001. We need to be continually reminded that the current Establishment has done nothing to stop or even slow down the terrorism happening in the West. It actually would sell better, I think, than focusing on Mexicans per se, if only because to non-border folks it's an easier sell that Mexicans aren't that dangerous (even though they are).

    Replies: @Barnard

    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Barnard

    Yes, but it would put pressure on the remaining to do so or face a primary next year by some REALLY hot-headed folks that would make the current alt-Righters look positively moderate.

    If ANYONE reading this has an inkling of political desires AND is willing to start spewing some realism on the campaign trail, I would say start editing some video packages NOW showing all the terrorist attacks and labelled "this terrorism brought to you by _______" fill in the blank with incumbent commie or cuck in the House and Senate who's against immigration control/border control/deportation.

    Then primary the shit outta them. The campaign would cost 10x less than the average Congress one, simply because the issue is one that crosses party lines ( exactly why Trump spent less than all other candidates and didn't have to go for big donors).

    This is a winning platform for any Congressional or major state office. Why? BECAUSE TRUMP JUST WON WITH IT.

  19. German_reader says:

    Apparently the bomber was the child of refugees from Libya…asylum for Muslims ought to be abolished.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @German_reader

    It was standard practice 40 years ago to house refugees in adjacent countries with a view to their eventual repatriation. You do not have any analogues to the Iron Curtain in today's world, but governments appear more inclined to house at a distance and implement long-term resettlement. It's perverse.

  20. MASS IMMIGRATION brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain. The evil ruling class of Britain is using mass immigration to destroy cultural cohesion. The Bank of England’s Mark Carney has admitted that mass immigration lowers wages for workers.

    Mass immigration in Britain lowers wages, increases housing costs, overwhelms hospitals, swamps schools, creates multicultural mayhem and brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain.

    The ruling class in Britain is just as evil as the ruling class in the United States.

  21. WE must never let this tragedy interfere with our ultimate goal of bringing the Third World to the West.

    It would not be who we are.

    • Replies: @englishmike
    @lavoisier

    And it would put you on "the wrong side of history".

    Replies: @lavoisier

  22. The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester’s large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims – except those in Israel.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jan

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jay Fink

    , @Anonymous
    @Jan

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    , @Jay Fink
    @Jan

    So do American Jews. I can not begin to count how many pro-Muslim posts I read on Facebook from my Cousin, a successful Jewish attorney. He loves Muslims. i don't think he knows any personally but he definitely loves them and wants a lot of them to immigrate here.

    , @Gabriel M
    @Jan

    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    Replies: @Gabriel M, @Steve Sailer, @Jay Fink

  23. EriK says:

    A case of domestic terrorism.

    From the Sun
    “Cops revealed the identity of the lone wolf attacker, who was the son of Libyan refugees, after raiding his house in Fallowfield today where a forensic officer was seen holding a “know your chemicals” booklet.”

    I think they meant “known” wolf, but be that as it may, at least it clears up the question whether mass immigration is a problem. Of course it’s not. He was simply a Manchester man. A British national.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3624815/manchester-arena-bomb-ariana-grande-gig-22-deaths-59-injured/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @EriK

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Replies: @Bugg, @EriK, @Peter Lund

  24. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    Nope. When people have a sincere belief that killing infidels will earn them an eternity in paradise surrounded by 72 virgins, and also a sincere belief that they are entitled by divine right to rule over and conquer Dar Al Hab, it doesn’t matter what happens in geopolitics.

  25. @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    Replies: @EriK, @Percy Gryce, @anonymous

    It’s bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word “spic”

    Lord please don’t tell me she left out the “and span.”

    • LOL: Kylie, Escher
  26. @IHTG
    How will it affect the election?

    Replies: @22pp22, @Johan Schmidt

    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There’s no medicine for stupidity.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @22pp22

    My experience of Labour voters is that they are terrified the money tap will be turned off.

    , @Thomas
    @22pp22

    Rotherham was the first thing I thought of here. Why would a country that couldn't care less about its daughters becoming prey for Muslim rape rings care any more about its daughters getting blown up by Muslim suicide bombers?

  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I'm seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @reiner Tor

    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Opinionator

    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World -- Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn't mean you have to invite them all over to your house.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  28. @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    Replies: @EriK, @Percy Gryce, @anonymous

    Yes, and here’s the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/867072697997590528

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Percy Gryce

    Still looks like that as of 3:45 PM EDT:

    http://wamu.org/

  29. https://twitter.com/andrejpwalker/status/867047106594385922

    REFUGEE OVERLOAD is destroying Britain and the United States. The evil ruling class in Britain and the evil ruling class in the United States is importing REFUGEE OVERLOAD in a deliberate attempt to destroy cultural cohesion. The ruling class in Britain and the ruling class of the American Empire is now infested with nation-wrecking rodents. REFUGEE OVERLOAD brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain and the United States.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Charles Pewitt


    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @anonymous

  30. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Opinionator, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Daniel H

    Dumb. They have a founding text, a prophet, and a calendar. All the hallmarks of a religion. The idea of a “Buddhist-Muslim” or a “Atheist-Muslim” doesn’t make any sense.

    On the other hand, the idea of a “Buddhist Jew” or an “Atheist Jew”…..

  31. @IHTG
    How will it affect the election?

    Replies: @22pp22, @Johan Schmidt

    We’re past the point at which these events could possibly cause a rightward shift. If anything it will probably motivate Labour voters in divided areas.

  32. @Deso Dogg
    The culprit wasn't a Muslim, I'm 100% certain---because if it was a Muslim, it wasn't a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there's no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don't commit terrorist attacks.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @unpc downunder

    No True Mussulman

  33. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Opinionator, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Daniel H

    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    • Agree: for-the-record
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not 'destabilizing' Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @anon
    @Opinionator

    How did Israel and the USA destabilize Indonesia , Sudan , Morrocco , Western Sahara , Turkey or Sudan ?

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    In all the hand-wringing reportage and talking-head commentary I'm seeing about this event, none of it includes the word immigration.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @reiner Tor

    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @reiner Tor

    You're right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I'll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @reiner Tor

    "Britons" are generally naked, painted blue, and racket around on chariots bellowing in Welsh. Easily spotted, a mile off.
    This ponce wasn't a Briton. 'British national', more like.
    And acting 'entirely alone', as well as being 'mentally ill'. It's our fault. We voted for it. Bring on the next Happening, please.

    , @Stealth
    @reiner Tor

    Count that as one of those liberal beliefs that's incompatible with some other liberal belief. Everyone in Britain is an immigrant, yet second generation Muslims are not immigrants because they were born there.

    Here's another one: being gay is a fixed, innate characteristic, absolute and unalterable, but also, everybody is bisexual.

    , @Jefferson
    @reiner Tor

    "He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK."

    Salman Abedi the Manchester terrorist is about as ethnically "British" as Daniel Kaluuya the star of Get Out.

    , @Dissident
    @reiner Tor


    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.
     
    That is nearly identical to a reply I got from a smug Upper West Sider (Manhattan, NYC) last June, concerning Omar Mateen, the massacrer of the Sodomite nightclub in Orlando:
    http://www.westsiderag.com/2016/06/12/moms-protest-gun-violence-outside-the-tony-awards#comment-327459

    You ARE aware that Mr. Trump’s bombastic threat to ‘bar people (i.e. Muslims) from terrorist-inclined countries’ would NOT have prevented the Orlando horror BECAUSE THE GUNMAN WAS A U.S. CITIZEN and had lived here his entire life !
     
    Only, unlike you, the respectable who wrote the above was not being sarcastic.

    Scroll-down to see my response, in which I linked-to our host.

    , @szopen
    @reiner Tor

    LOL :)
    But seriously, parodies aside, remember this meme?

    http://imgur.com/jUj5gbe

    , @MikeTheMick
    @reiner Tor

    Having a UK passport does not make you a Briton.

  35. MW says:

    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women’s souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I’m just an old curmudgeon. I don’t know anymore.

    • Replies: @mobi
    @MW


    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I'm touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alfa158
    @MW

    You are under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world, it is just a different weapon. Bombs or bullets or poison gas; third world immivasion or cultural degradation or political correctness. Different weapons, but all leading to extinction of the target.

    , @tyrone
    @MW

    That's just the cultural marxist dialectic thingy working it's weird magic.

    , @WR
    @MW

    "...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis."

    I don't know about Ariana Grande but you are certainly the enemy of the gynocratic left (whether you know it or not). You don't partake in their secular religion and therefore you are a "Nazi" who wants to drive a wedge between enlightened Westerners and their Muslim friends.

    Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch

    To all my dear Muslim brothers and sisters in Manchester and across the U.K., we got your back. Neither terrorists nor Nazis will divide us.

    Somewhere else, she states "Nazis are not welcome."

    , @Alden
    @MW

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Replies: @Nico, @Hippopotamusdrome, @reiner Tor, @MW

    , @Alden
    @MW

    Why don't you convert, move to a Muslim country and join the religious police? The youngest wounded was only 6 years old. It was impossible to see what most of the victims were wearing. You just inserted your dour old Puritan beliefs into this tragedy.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @MW


    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Anonymous
    @MW

    Just to make this concrete, it's either we let our 12-year olds be inspired by Ariana Grande, who sings about being ****ed so hard she can't walk (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAfdGZhXYAAtnPt.jpg), probably looking like this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeF6KCWAAAQ2F1.jpg) -- or we let them get pimped out to Muslim gangs -- or we let them be deliberately targeted with nailbombs by a British-citizen-so-stop-talking-about-immigration-it's-literally-irrelevant-you-bigot.

    We need to start all over again.

    , @Alden
    @MW

    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I'd say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  36. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar, @aceofspades, @Alden

    Was it an act of self defense?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Opinionator

    "Was it an act of self defense?"

    Which desert camel country are you from?

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Escher, @Opinionator

  37. Here is a humane solution to Islamic terrorism:

    Desperate times require desperate measures. The people of Western Europe and the Americas need to tell theirIslamic communities to solve the problem of Jihad and terrorism against Christians … or they, en masse, will be deported to their location of ethnic origin regardless of citizenship. Motivate them to have some “skin in the game” or face the consequences. Their communities are the source of the problem, force them to fix it … or else.

    If we find bodies mysteriously appearing in alleys in their communities, so be it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @TheJester

    Why not just tell them all to get out? Why even give them the option of fixing it? Just tell them to get out and stay out?

    I mean, sure, that's never going to happen, but neither is your suggestion.

  38. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    None. What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @Art Deco

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their "allies") intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its "democratization".

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @for-the-record
    @Art Deco


    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

  39. @German_reader
    Apparently the bomber was the child of refugees from Libya...asylum for Muslims ought to be abolished.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It was standard practice 40 years ago to house refugees in adjacent countries with a view to their eventual repatriation. You do not have any analogues to the Iron Curtain in today’s world, but governments appear more inclined to house at a distance and implement long-term resettlement. It’s perverse.

    • Agree: German_reader
  40. @Opinionator
    @TG

    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.

    • Troll: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

  41. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Buzz Mohawk

    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

  42. The bodies are hardly cold yet from the ISLAMIC TERRORIST frontlash and this government worker rat is warning regular Brits about the dreaded nativist backlash.

    Britain is under anti-White totalitarian lockdown. There is no free speech in Britain. The regular British people are under attack from their own government. Something wicked this way comes, and it is the evil ruling class in Britain that is the wickedness itself.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  43. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not 'destabilizing' Muslim countries. Their own incapacities have left them with long-term intramural violence. (See Colombia for an occidental example of this). See Stanley Kurtz on the ways in which basic social forms in the Arab world make public life a chancy proposition.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Opinionator

    When did Israel bomb Libya and Afghanistan ?

    , @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    "Meddling" is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    'Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!'

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren't responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they're cowards.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  44. @Barnard
    @whorefinder

    That would help the 25 or so members of Congress who actually want to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Not really an option for the rest though.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    Yes, but it would put pressure on the remaining to do so or face a primary next year by some REALLY hot-headed folks that would make the current alt-Righters look positively moderate.

    If ANYONE reading this has an inkling of political desires AND is willing to start spewing some realism on the campaign trail, I would say start editing some video packages NOW showing all the terrorist attacks and labelled “this terrorism brought to you by _______” fill in the blank with incumbent commie or cuck in the House and Senate who’s against immigration control/border control/deportation.

    Then primary the shit outta them. The campaign would cost 10x less than the average Congress one, simply because the issue is one that crosses party lines ( exactly why Trump spent less than all other candidates and didn’t have to go for big donors).

    This is a winning platform for any Congressional or major state office. Why? BECAUSE TRUMP JUST WON WITH IT.

  45. @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Jay Fink, @Gabriel M

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Art Deco


    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group
     
    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Jay Fink
    @Art Deco

    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don't practice it. I don't look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don't think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Stealth

  46. @22pp22
    @IHTG

    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Thomas

    My experience of Labour voters is that they are terrified the money tap will be turned off.

  47. Anonymous [AKA "Klark Kent of Kentucky"] says:

    Tolerance… Tolerance is the policy. We must tolerate muslims. Or, you’re fired!

  48. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Opinionator, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Daniel H

    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    ‘Poverty’ by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It’s not ‘created’ by Islam.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Well if Islam doesn't create poverty, it doesn't create wealth (that doesn't come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Well, it sure did a number on the "Paris of the Middle East".

  49. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Are you seeing any self examination of British and American meddling in the Middle East?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Buzz Mohawk

    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World — Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn’t mean you have to invite them all over to your house.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Even if you married into a family of non-assholes, you might not like for them all to move into your house.

  50. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    You’re right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC."

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She's been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  51. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Of course not. The reference is completely non sequitur.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    And Khan said this –

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    • Replies: @james wilson
    @Opinionator

    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @mobi
    @Opinionator


    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lot

    , @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Opinionator


    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.
     
    Art has basically recited the history of the region. That you're averse to reading history rather than the usual Arab fabrications isn't his fault.
    , @Escher
    @Opinionator

    So these European born and/or raised psychos are justified in killing their fellow citizens on behalf of their co-religionists thousands of miles away. Not making a good argument for the assimilability of Muslims, are we?

    , @unpc downunder
    @Opinionator

    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn't aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can't just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    These statements (taken from their jihadi videos) from Tanweer and Khan were just part of their legends as MI5 informants. Anybody who thinks these men actually perpetrated the 2005 London Underground bombings is ignorant. The sentiments expressed in these statements are common to anti-Western jihadism. If the US would not invade the Middle East there would no longer be any rationale for these attacks.

    , @John Pepple
    @Opinionator

    In 1979, Khomeini's henchmen murdered lots of secular leftists, even though they hated Western interference in the Middle East as much as the Muslims did, and even though they had worked to expel the Shah just as much as Muslims had. The lesson was quite clear: "it doesn't matter what you believe or even what you do, if you're not a Muslim, we have the right to kill you."

    Replies: @Opinionator

  52. The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there’s no chance of needed measures being implemented.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Ed

    If I didn't loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @sabril
    @Ed


    The new normal
     
    That's why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.

    Replies: @German_reader

  53. mobi says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I’m touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @mobi

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Expletive Deleted, @Brutusale

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Opinionator

    No, of course not. Reporters, pundits and politicians are not addressing the real cause, which we here know is Invade the World -- Invite the World (TM Steve Sailer).

    However, we can and should shut our doors even though we are invading the world. You may have married into a family of assholes, but that doesn't mean you have to invite them all over to your house.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Even if you married into a family of non-assholes, you might not like for them all to move into your house.

  55. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    You are under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world, it is just a different weapon. Bombs or bullets or poison gas; third world immivasion or cultural degradation or political correctness. Different weapons, but all leading to extinction of the target.

    • Agree: BB753
  56. @lavoisier
    WE must never let this tragedy interfere with our ultimate goal of bringing the Third World to the West.

    It would not be who we are.

    Replies: @englishmike

    And it would put you on “the wrong side of history”.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @englishmike

    Good one!

  57. I guess Muslims in Britain have decided that if they are no longer allowed to rape young white teens with impunity, they might as well kill them with nail bombs.

  58. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their “allies”) intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its “democratization”.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record, @Frau Katze

  59. We should be accepting no MUSLIM REFUGEES at this time. It is too much of a national security risk to bring these people into our states and into our country.

    Here is some video from December of 2015 where I express the opinion that MUSLIM REFUGEES are a threat to US national security. If I appear agitated, that is because during the TV interview I was being heckled by a rancid bastard. I kept my cool, though, for the most part.
    I gave the guy the Billy Martin treatment when the interview ended.

    The relevant portion starts at 1:26 in the video:

    http://www.wmur.com/article/syrian-refugee-rally/5086314

  60. I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    You must have missed it a couple years ago when she was licking doughnuts on a bakery case and talking about how she hated America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kDAzYjbugo

    , @Bill B.
    @Jim Don Bob


    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.
     
    Me too.

    What struck me after 20 seconds of film was how unutterably vapid a performer she is. But then that is par for the course, no?

    If she didn't dress like a shrink-wrapped zucchini and sing endlessly about casual sex and freedom (I am extrapolating here a bit) she would have almost nothing.
  61. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    None. What's notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    Replies: @for-the-record, @for-the-record

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 “democratization”.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @for-the-record

    Maybe the people running the West want anarcho-tyranny for for the Middle East, North Africa and us? The evidence is starting to pile up.

    , @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Johann Ricke
    @for-the-record


    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.
     
    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi's secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI's in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin's Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq's Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  62. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @james wilson

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?


    The kind of person who cares about what United States and Israeli decisionmakers think.

  63. Two steps forward, one step back. Slaughter a bunch of children, then call for ‘tolerance’ and ‘inclusivity.’ Make a few token arrests, go quiet for awhile while the white sheep sink back into Dreamland, then repeat.

    And in twenty years or so there’ll be so many of them in our lands that they won’t need bombs. They can just drag us off to the chopping block.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to "regularize" Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a "safe" Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-jDG_wnqcE&t=285s

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

    Replies: @Karl

  64. Sure, we may have to put up with a few bombings, but without Muslims, taxi passengers would be left rotting in the streets!

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/867080910943997952

    or, ya know, without Sikhs.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EriK
    A case of domestic terrorism.

    From the Sun
    "Cops revealed the identity of the lone wolf attacker, who was the son of Libyan refugees, after raiding his house in Fallowfield today where a forensic officer was seen holding a “know your chemicals” booklet."

    I think they meant "known" wolf, but be that as it may, at least it clears up the question whether mass immigration is a problem. Of course it's not. He was simply a Manchester man. A British national.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3624815/manchester-arena-bomb-ariana-grande-gig-22-deaths-59-injured/

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn’t seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I’m no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn’t be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here’s a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @Anonymous

    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @EriK
    @Anonymous


    Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers.
     
    I believe that. Counterproductive to train someone to make bombs and then blow themselves up.
    , @Peter Lund
    @Anonymous

    It wouldn't be the first time Muslim terrorists used TATP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide#Use_in_improvised_explosive_devices

    It is not *that* hard to make.

  66. mobi says:
    @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Tanweer said this …

    And Khan said this…

    Remarkable how the the ‘Tanweers’ and ‘Khans’ of this world turn out to be, more often than not – former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. ‘Glorious warriors for Allah’, instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see – Sweden.

    We shouldn’t be invading the world, and we shouldn’t be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There’s no contradiction. It’s practically the motto of this site.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @mobi

    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    Replies: @Anonymouslee, @biz

    , @Lot
    @mobi

    Very good response to Opinionator's endless Muslimist trolling.

  67. @Buzz Mohawk
    @reiner Tor

    You're right. I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I'll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC.”

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She’s been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    You Can't Make This Shit Up Dep't:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey's in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed "Wolf," the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 - seven years after Garcia's death - for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton's Fender Stratocaster "Brownie."


    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed "Eagle," "Tiger," "Wolf Jr.," and "Rosebud."

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey's auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    "The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate 'Tiger' ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years," he said. "Now it's slightly above $2 million, but we'll see where this goes."

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world's greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf's current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.




    "Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He ... gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money - he didn't want a penny of it - to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty."

    Replies: @Kylie

  68. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    You know, Steve has a pithy slogan for what’s going on: Invade the world, invite the world.

  69. @Opinionator
    @TG

    Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable

    Let the United States and Israel cease their destabilization of Muslim countries.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @anon

    How did Israel and the USA destabilize Indonesia , Sudan , Morrocco , Western Sahara , Turkey or Sudan ?

  70. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn’t dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @anonymous

    See Bin Laden's "Letter to America," the link to which posted above.

    See also testimony by the 2005 London subway bombers, also posted above.

    , @for-the-record
    @anonymous

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:


    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    ... “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

     

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495590580&sr=8-1&keywords=chalmers+johnson+blowback

    Replies: @Anon

  71. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    When did Israel bomb Libya and Afghanistan ?

  72. @Art Deco
    @Jan

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jay Fink

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group

    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English."

    You can say that about any Mediterranean group in comparison to lily White Northern Europeans. Antonio Banderas, Casey Casem, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jason Mantzoukas, and Nicholas Turturro sure don't look English WASPs either.

  73. @Ed
    The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there's no chance of needed measures being implemented.

    Replies: @anonymous, @sabril

    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban…
     
    I ridicule the travel ban, too. For being too wussy.

    What's needed is a total moratorium on Islamic immigration until they can go 25 years without a single terrorist act.

    "They" meaning the entirety of Islam, the whole camelhumpin' billion of 'em.

  74. @Ed
    The new normal. When a mere travel ban of foreigners from a few wretched countries is strongly objected to by the political, judicial & chattering classes, there's no chance of needed measures being implemented.

    Replies: @anonymous, @sabril

    The new normal

    That’s why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sabril

    If Muslims get too much out of line in India, there are communal riots and a significant number (hundreds in Gujarat in 2002) of them get killed, with the connivance of authorities. There is no similar check on Muslim behavior in Western countries.

  75. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    That’s just the cultural marxist dialectic thingy working it’s weird magic.

  76. Like several others here I expect, I was calling for a muzzie immigration moratorium, and vigorous deportation of muzzies, 10-15 years ago.

    They keep not listening to me/us, with the very consequences that were explained to them. A lot of innocent people are dead because this advice keeps not being followed.

  77. @22pp22
    @IHTG

    It will have no effect. Rotherham still votes Labour.

    Japanese proverb. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai. There's no medicine for stupidity.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Thomas

    Rotherham was the first thing I thought of here. Why would a country that couldn’t care less about its daughters becoming prey for Muslim rape rings care any more about its daughters getting blown up by Muslim suicide bombers?

  78. @Art Deco
    @TG

    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Well if Islam doesn’t create poverty, it doesn’t create wealth (that doesn’t come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    It's a bit more than 500 years. Islam conquered Spain and Portugual, Egypt, Persia and the Byzantium eastern Roman Empire which was the heir to Greece.

    Most of those glorious achievements were not Arab Muslim but ancient and Christian achievements. For instance, Haroun al Rachid 900AD was praised for the preservation of ancient science and philosophy. But the copiers that did the actual work were Christian Syrian monks who established their libraries long before the Muslim conquest. The allegedly great Arab physicians just followed the same Galen nonsense the European Drs did. Algebra came from India.

    Most history has been written to denigrate Christianity and White Europeans and praise anything not Christian and European. The Arab Muslims destroyed the great ancient civilizations in 400 years and the areas have not recovered and never will no matter how rich the countries may be.

  79. Not being sophisticated in the ways of the West the bomber set off her charge when people started leaving early. If she waited it might have been like 100 killed.

    But don’t worry, when comes to bombing the West is way ahead during the war on terror. I think even including the WTC kickoff event and military casualties (including unrelated wars in Somalia and Iraq) they are are in the low 5 digits, and haven’t scored big in a decade I would say. I would not be surprised if the West turned out to cause low millions of deaths. So we are like totally winning this thing.

  80. @mobi
    @MW


    I’m having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It’s the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    Enough culprits common to both can be found to make mixed feelings unnecessary.

    (In fairness, none more so than those looking back at us in the mirror.)

    I must say I'm touched by how many concertgoers were either with parents or being picked up by them. I recall I, and my contemporaries, would have been mortified to be caught at a concert with parents, back in the day.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Jack D

    At least two of the survivors being interviewed last night had driven down from Aberdeen, and were all set to drive back, except the police wouldn't let them get to their car, down the far end of Corporation St. Sturdy lasses. An effortful drive even in daylight, M6, M8, M90, and then the godawful farm track of the A90.

    , @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Yes, society has come a long way since my 13-year old self and my 14-year old brother took the MBTA to the old Boston Garden to see Jethro Tull.

  81. @Percy Gryce
    @danindc

    Yes, and here's the homepage of WAMU, the principal NPR affiliate in Washington, D.C.:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/867072697997590528

    Replies: @Jack D

    Still looks like that as of 3:45 PM EDT:

    http://wamu.org/

  82. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/andrejpwalker/status/867047106594385922

    REFUGEE OVERLOAD is destroying Britain and the United States. The evil ruling class in Britain and the evil ruling class in the United States is importing REFUGEE OVERLOAD in a deliberate attempt to destroy cultural cohesion. The ruling class in Britain and the ruling class of the American Empire is now infested with nation-wrecking rodents. REFUGEE OVERLOAD brings ISLAMIC TERRORISM to Britain and the United States.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.

    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn’t a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli – so much for “fear of persecution”). But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all. That’s the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won’t assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all."

    Muslims don't assimilate into the host countries they immigrate to. Muslims want the host countries to assimilate into their culture, not the other way around.

    , @anonymous
    @Jack D

    His father sounds like a good bloke.


    Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb

    Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.

    Today, he denied his son is linked to militants or the suicide bombing.

    Ramadan Abedi says he spoke to his 22-year-old son, Salman Abedi, five days ago and he was getting ready to visit Saudi Arabia and sounded "normal."He said that his son visited Libya a month-and-a -half ago.The elder Abedi told The Associated Press by telephone from Tripoli: "We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us."

    He said his other son, Ismail, was arrested in England on Tuesday morning. He said Salman was planning to head from Saudi Arabia to Libya to spend the holy month of Ramadan with family.
    Abedi fled Tripoli in 1993 after Moammar Gadhafi's security authorities issued an arrest warrant and eventually sought political asylum in Britain. Now, he is the administrative manager of the Central Security force in Tripoli.

    Sources also said the bomber's mother had raised concerns about her son's radical views before she herself left for Libya. --Daily Mail UK

     

    Replies: @Alden

  83. @Art Deco
    @TG

    But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor… And the greatest source of potential profits…

    'Poverty' by occidental standards is pretty much endemic in much of the world and always has been. It's not 'created' by Islam.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Well, it sure did a number on the “Paris of the Middle East”.

  84. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What will happen now as a result, what will the British learn from this? Answer: Nothing. They’ll just keep doing what they’ve been doing and get the same results. If anything they’ll just subject themselves to an even tighter police state without emphasizing the likely culprits among them so as not to risk stigmatizing that segment of the population. Occasional blowouts like this are going to be accepted as the price one has to pay for living in a multicult paradise, a price the political leadership believes to be worth paying. Perhaps public events like this will be deemed too risky and everybody will just stream it at home. They fought the Germans to achieve this?

  85. “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

    Winston Churchill 1899 The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jim Don Bob

    Some MP was prosecuted for reading that out loud in Parliament.

  86. @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    Replies: @Bastion, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson

    Yes, we have to remember the moderate Muslims. Extremist muslims are the ones who attack and murder westerners. Moderate muslims are the ones who want extremists to attack and murder us. Big difference.

  87. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Tex

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?


    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.

    Replies: @biz

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Opinionator, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Daniel H

    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth – let’s see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    All that does not prove Islam is not a religion. They prove that it is indeed a religion.

    When Christianity was a real religion, it slew its enemies and conquered and converted by the sword. Men killed and died for it. Islam still has a large element of that, of course many Muslims are not involved in jihad, but enough of them are it survives as a religion.

    Of course, National Socialism was a religion, too. Ask “Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany”. They are dead, but their writings live on. So do those of Savitri Devi.

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "I feel so much white guilt right now about what I wrote; I’ll go turn myself in to the authorities at the SPLC."

    Careful, Buzz. Heidi Beirich will no doubt be at the door of the SPLC to greet you. (She's been so lonely since Larry Auster died.) You might want to divert her attention from yourself by tossing some bagels to her. Or at her. Whichever you think will keep you safer.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You Can’t Make This Shit Up Dep’t:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey’s in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed “Wolf,” the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 – seven years after Garcia’s death – for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton’s Fender Stratocaster “Brownie.”

    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed “Eagle,” “Tiger,” “Wolf Jr.,” and “Rosebud.”

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey’s auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    “The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate ‘Tiger’ ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years,” he said. “Now it’s slightly above $2 million, but we’ll see where this goes.”

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world’s greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf’s current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.

    “Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He … gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money – he didn’t want a penny of it – to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty.”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    You are bloody effing kidding me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  90. I don’t like living in a supermarket. I liked living in our old country clubs with all their standards.

  91. The target was young white girls and that was probably intentional. Kill them if they won’t have sex with you. At any rate, the response will obviously to import millions of more Muslims. I have no sympathy for Europeans who won’t fight to save their own countries from Third World barbarity.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @weyyar

    Commenter MW agrees with the bomber that young White girls deserve death because they are "sluts" even at age 8 which was the age of one of the girls killed.

  92. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won’t assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    one can be assimilated (POZd middle class values, not blowing sh** up etc) but still be 5th column.

  93. “As I look forward, I am filled with foreboding, like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”.

    Enoch Powell
    04/20/1968

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

  94. German_reader says:
    @sabril
    @Ed


    The new normal
     
    That's why this is depressing more than anything else. The West is on track to become like India, with daily, brutal terrorist attacks.

    Replies: @German_reader

    If Muslims get too much out of line in India, there are communal riots and a significant number (hundreds in Gujarat in 2002) of them get killed, with the connivance of authorities. There is no similar check on Muslim behavior in Western countries.

  95. @for-the-record
    @Art Deco


    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Maybe the people running the West want anarcho-tyranny for for the Middle East, North Africa and us? The evidence is starting to pile up.

  96. @james wilson
    @Opinionator

    What rubbish. The London bombers were recruited entirely from young men who faced imminent marriage to first cousins in Pakistan. Death was an attractive option, I give them that.

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What kind of person cares what a bomber thinks, or thinks he thinks?

    The kind of person who cares about what United States and Israeli decisionmakers think.

  97. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    “Meddling” is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it. Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  98. @mobi
    @Opinionator


    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lot

    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    • Replies: @Anonymouslee
    @Opinionator

    OBL was a man of such quality we haven't seen in a long, long time in the supposed American "elite." We are ruled by pathetic midgets who inherited a country built by heroes and giants like Washington and Jefferson.


    "If I had only ten qualities to enumerate in drafting a thumbnail biographical sketch of [bin Laden]," writes Scheuer," they would be: pious, brave, generous, intelligent, charismatic, patient, visionary, stubborn, egalitarian, and most of all, realistic."

    This realistic portrait of bin Laden's life begins in his early years as a privileged Saudi Arabian youth. Before discussing the infamous terrorist that the world now knows, Scheuer shows the reader a bright, motivated, and admired young man who excelled at both manual labor and academic studies.

    Job-site construction experience would prove crucial in bin Laden's later conflicts with the Soviets and Americans. For example, S presents oral Scheuer presents oral ccounts of a determined and brave Osama bin Laden on the Afghan battlefield fighting the Soviets, driving his bulldozer to the front lines to dig new trenches for his mujahedeen.

    If there was one aspect to remember from bin Laden's years working for his father, it was his acquisition of a will to both passionately lead while remaining in and among those who followed him, a quality that would serve him well as a key figure in Al Qaeda.
     
    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS is similarly far more personally impressive than anyone we can find in our ruling class.

    Pathetic but true.
    , @biz
    @Opinionator

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jefferson, @Opinionator

  99. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    "As I look forward, I am filled with foreboding, like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood".

    Enoch Powell
    04/20/1968

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Art Deco

    "generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively"

    I would imagine that their homicide count over the last 50 years must run into four figures (when government used to report the race of homicide perps and victims, "minorities" generally accounted for 20% of perps), and that's without including people like Germaine Lindsay, who killed 26 people in the 7/7 bombings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Lindsay

    I'd say 12% of the prison population with only 3% of the UK population was more than "nuisance", while maybe not an existential threat (Muslims are now 15% of the prison population).

    , @Detective Club
    @Art Deco

    British West Indian immigrants don't engage in crime for religious reasons - - - only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it's mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.
    https://youtu.be/e6X26j9v13A
    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. "The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally," she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn't a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,
     
    Large enough to cause trouble.....

    do not hail from populous source countries,
     
    Like Puerto Ricans......

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,
     
    Certainly not racially kindred....

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.
     
    Not if you live near them.....

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.
     
    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he's vindicated every day....

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco

    Words that need to be heard:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHPJ8hO-ZM

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco

    More wise words:

    Rudyard Kipling

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  100. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not "destabilizing those countries", eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    ‘Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!’

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren’t responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they’re cowards.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Brutusale

  101. WR says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    “…the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.”

    I don’t know about Ariana Grande but you are certainly the enemy of the gynocratic left (whether you know it or not). You don’t partake in their secular religion and therefore you are a “Nazi” who wants to drive a wedge between enlightened Westerners and their Muslim friends.

    Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch

    To all my dear Muslim brothers and sisters in Manchester and across the U.K., we got your back. Neither terrorists nor Nazis will divide us.

    Somewhere else, she states “Nazis are not welcome.”

  102. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!

    "Meddling" is a nonsense term. Israel has not been at war with any of these countries (bar some brief aerial dogfights) in 40-odd years (and has never been at war with two of them). It has been at war with paramilitaries operating on Lebanese territory, paramilitaries which wanted to mix it up (which is why they were staging cross-border raids). No military operations engaged in by the U.S. government explain why these places have proved supremely bad at crafting working political societies or even maintaining minimal order in recent years.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it. Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it.

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel or in any adjacent area except as part of multinational missions meant for monitoring or patrol. (As in West Beirut from 1982 to 1984). The last European deployment which did not fit that description was the British and French Suez expedition in 1956, wherein they were plainly pursuing their own interests.

    Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Other than some aerial dogfights with Syria and a couple of bombing raids (contra Iraq's nuclear program and PLO hq in Tunis), Israel hasn't been at war with any neighboring state in 43 years. Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them. All of Israel's military operations since 1973 have been directed at criminal organizations camped out on Israel's borders: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, various sects associated with Al Fatah. It's pretty simple to avoid coming to blows with Israel. Jordan has managed it for 50 years, in spite of a long border with Israel proper and with areas in its security perimeter. Hamas could manage it too, if they didn't get their jollies building tunnels and launching artillery barrages against Jewish towns.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @reiner Tor

  103. @Tex
    @Opinionator

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to "invade the world, invite the world" policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    A disinclination to see our fellow citizens murdered in their homeland, no matter how much invading our elite overlords have done, is also pretty standard.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?

    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Opinionator

    I enjoy that you are redefining "Zionist" to mean anyone who objects to getting slaughtered in our streets and cities by Islamist maniacs, and anyone who recognizes the cause and effect between terrorism and Islamist religious beliefs vis a vis martyrdom and infidels.

  104. @TG
    One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don't care). Islam is a political philosophy, like National Socialism or Stalinism. They preach hatred of Jews, Christians, homosexuals, Hindus, atheists, other sects of Islam, etc., and glorify and encourage the active use of violence to express this hatred. They treat women like slaves and children like cattle, they have more children than they can possibly support and inevitably islamic nations are turned into overpopulated pools of misery where people dream only of escaping. (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf emirates have managed to avoid this via their massive oil wealth - let's see how well they do when per-capita oil income is no longer a major factor).

    This is the reason that western elites are so committed to importing muslim refugees: the rich want cheap labor, and you won't find that many desperate starving people in Japan or South Korea or even, increasingly, China. But even as Islam creates the greatest poverty, it also creates the greatest source of the cheapest labor... And the greatest source of potential profits...

    I would challenge the Islamic world to demonstrate that the peace of Allah is not a lie. Let them construct societies that, even if they do not adhere to what we in the west might like, nonetheless produce stable and prosperous societies that at least muslims feel to be tolerable. Until that is demonstrated, I think it justifiable to condemn Islam as a political pathology. If even muslims feel that it is intolerable to live in an islamic state, how can we in the west be blamed for feeling the same way?

    Replies: @Gross Terry, @Opinionator, @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Daniel H

    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn’t add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn’t make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn’t make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn’t go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Daniel H

    Who cares whether something is classified as a "religion" or not?

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Daniel H

    The distinction here is that Islam is a fellaheen religion which is devoid of metaphysical content. There is nothing new that can come from Islam; it is already "finished." The Islamic hordes whom we see today are the final state; they are simply masses of directionless, rootless men for whom the bestial impulses toward survival and dominance are all that remains in the blood. Islam today is best understood as a sort of "pirate code" that sets the rules for aboard-ship discipline between fellow pirates while defining the rest of the world as bounty and spoil.

  105. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    'Israel is not doing anything at all and American activity is not ‘destabilizing’ Muslim countries.

    Bombing and meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon is not “destabilizing those countries”, eh? BWAHAHAHA!'

    What is your point? A bunch of teeny-boppers at a rock concert in the UK aren't responsible for American foreign policy. If these useless goons wanted to change something, go after politicians. Instead they choose soft targets because they're cowards.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I'm fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because...something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren't ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don't they try that? Because they're stupid and cowardly.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Brutusale
    @Opinionator

    Re: Truman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olZLIC4T9uE

  106. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Two steps forward, one step back. Slaughter a bunch of children, then call for 'tolerance' and 'inclusivity.' Make a few token arrests, go quiet for awhile while the white sheep sink back into Dreamland, then repeat.

    And in twenty years or so there'll be so many of them in our lands that they won't need bombs. They can just drag us off to the chopping block.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to “regularize” Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a “safe” Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Bill B.

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!

    Replies: @Bill B.

  107. @anonymous
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn't dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record

    See Bin Laden’s “Letter to America,” the link to which posted above.

    See also testimony by the 2005 London subway bombers, also posted above.

  108. @for-the-record
    @Art Deco


    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you’re striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you’re forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It’s fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Red herring.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.
     
    Might just be Semitic genes.
  109. @for-the-record
    @Art Deco

    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West (and their "allies") intervened and completely shattered these societies. I recall reading a tourist guidebook on Syria published in 2010 which noted that it was one of the safest places in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya had the highest level of development of all the African countries prior to its "democratization".

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    You are trying to distract from the fact that Jews and the United States are invading and bombing the Middle East.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @for-the-record
    @Art Deco

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you're right it's from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it's from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:


    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Frau Katze
    @Art Deco

    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren't.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim "guest workers" to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won't help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  110. @Opinionator
    From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

     

    Replies: @anon, @Alden

    All the more reason to keep people from this culture out of our countries.

  111. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You’re a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don’t know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    You are trying to deflect responsibility from Jewish individuals and collectives.

    , @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America's business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  112. Am still waiting to hear even one word of condemnation from the World of Allah. Guess I shouldn’t hold my breath huh?

  113. @TheJester
    Here is a humane solution to Islamic terrorism:

    Desperate times require desperate measures. The people of Western Europe and the Americas need to tell theirIslamic communities to solve the problem of Jihad and terrorism against Christians ... or they, en masse, will be deported to their location of ethnic origin regardless of citizenship. Motivate them to have some "skin in the game" or face the consequences. Their communities are the source of the problem, force them to fix it ... or else.

    If we find bodies mysteriously appearing in alleys in their communities, so be it.

    Replies: @anon

    Why not just tell them all to get out? Why even give them the option of fixing it? Just tell them to get out and stay out?

    I mean, sure, that’s never going to happen, but neither is your suggestion.

  114. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar

    Red herring.

  115. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous

    You are trying to deflect responsibility from Jewish individuals and collectives.

  116. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record, @Frau Katze

    You are trying to distract from the fact that Jews and the United States are invading and bombing the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Israel is located in the Near East. It's not invading any place and controls less territory than it did 50 years ago.

    As for the United States, it's helpful if you wish to avoid being the subject of an American invasion not to host criminal organizations which carry out operations in Manhattan. It's also helpful to not invade and despoil harmless oil principalities. Works for most countries.

  117. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Mark Steyn :

    “Carrying on exactly as before”, as The Independent advises, will not be possible. A few months ago, I was in Toulouse, where Jewish life has vanished from public visibility and is conducted only behind the prison-like walls of a fortress schoolhouse and a centralized synagogue that requires 24/7 protection by French soldiers; I went to Amsterdam, which is markedly less gay than it used to be; I walked through Molenbeek after dark, where unaccompanied women dare not go. You can carry on, you can stagger on, but life is not exactly as it was before. Inch by inch, it’s smaller and more constrained.

    • Replies: @Tacitus
    @anonymous

    This town is coming like a ghost town.

    https://youtu.be/RZ2oXzrnti4

  118. @Jack D
    @mobi

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Expletive Deleted, @Brutusale

    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @prosa123

    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old "sluts" are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  119. @Daniel H
    @TG

    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Intelligent Dasein

    Who cares whether something is classified as a “religion” or not?

  120. @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

    “generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively”

    I would imagine that their homicide count over the last 50 years must run into four figures (when government used to report the race of homicide perps and victims, “minorities” generally accounted for 20% of perps), and that’s without including people like Germaine Lindsay, who killed 26 people in the 7/7 bombings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Lindsay

    I’d say 12% of the prison population with only 3% of the UK population was more than “nuisance”, while maybe not an existential threat (Muslims are now 15% of the prison population).

  121. @for-the-record
    @Art Deco


    What’s notable about all of those places is that they feature factions of the domestic population fighting each other.
     
    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its "allies", Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I recall seeing a tourist guide on Syria published in 2010 noting that it was one of the safest countries in the world for foreign tourists, including unaccompanied women. And according to the World Bank, Libya was the most advanced country in Africa prior to its 2011 "democratization".

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.

    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi’s secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI’s in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin’s Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq’s Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Johann Ricke


    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme
     
    As was Germany's invasion of France. Note that in both conflicts, we sided with the antisuffragist victims against their suffragist invaders. Just sayin'…
  122. @Jim Don Bob

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
     
    Winston Churchill 1899 The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Some MP was prosecuted for reading that out loud in Parliament.

  123. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950’s abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960’s?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Alden

    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from "good" and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It's certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let's just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most "bourgeois" men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Alden

    Wow, calm down.



    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

     

    They're attending a concert with a singer who sings: "Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle"*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande - Side to Side - Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha - 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.


    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

     

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don't even want to know what a wrist icicle is.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    As others have pointed out, the Arienne Grandes of the world are also part of the problem.

    Nobody said that the little girls "deserved to die", but this woman is singing about how cool it is to be a slut. It's definitely a problem that 8 or even 6-year-olds are attending her concerts. Of course, it's the parents' and not the children's responsibility.

    I find it surprising that the majority of those answering the original comment didn't get it and misrepresented it as an apology for the dumb Muslim terrorists.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @MW
    @Alden

    > girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    That's really not what I was trying to say. Of course they didn't deserve to die.

    In every sub-culture I'm aware of that takes family formation seriously, the women dress modestly, and they take great pains to shield their children from hedonist entertainment. Maybe that's a coincidence, and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don't think so.

    Replies: @bored identity

  124. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    “Britons” are generally naked, painted blue, and racket around on chariots bellowing in Welsh. Easily spotted, a mile off.
    This ponce wasn’t a Briton. ‘British national’, more like.
    And acting ‘entirely alone’, as well as being ‘mentally ill’. It’s our fault. We voted for it. Bring on the next Happening, please.

  125. @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Ariana Grande has a very young fan base, probably more tweens than teens.

    Replies: @Alden

    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old “sluts” are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Alden

    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...

    Replies: @Dissident, @anonymous

  126. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Why don’t you convert, move to a Muslim country and join the religious police? The youngest wounded was only 6 years old. It was impossible to see what most of the victims were wearing. You just inserted your dour old Puritan beliefs into this tragedy.

  127. @Deso Dogg
    The culprit wasn't a Muslim, I'm 100% certain---because if it was a Muslim, it wasn't a real Muslim, just someone who called themselves a Muslim. So there's no way Muslims can commit terrorist attacks, let alone do so at a higher per capita rate than other groups, because real Muslims don't commit terrorist attacks.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @unpc downunder

    Who knows, maybe you’re right. But one thing I do know he is a hot-headed middle eastern male, who comes from a culture with very different values to those of North Europe. Therefore it would be wise not to let people like him into the country.

    It’s race, culture and demography that are the big issues, not liberal and neoconservative arguments about various sects of Islam.

  128. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar, @aceofspades, @Alden

    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Could Bush II have been impeached merely for saying that? It must have been tempting for Democrats to think that, but to do so would cloud their message.

    Trump was awful friendly to those ‘Rabs last week. I’d watch out.

  129. @Jack D
    @mobi

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Expletive Deleted, @Brutusale

    At least two of the survivors being interviewed last night had driven down from Aberdeen, and were all set to drive back, except the police wouldn’t let them get to their car, down the far end of Corporation St. Sturdy lasses. An effortful drive even in daylight, M6, M8, M90, and then the godawful farm track of the A90.

  130. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    Art has basically recited the history of the region. That you’re averse to reading history rather than the usual Arab fabrications isn’t his fault.

  131. “Imagine” has become passé after overuse in the wake of terror attacks.

    Now it’s time for Manchester authorities to bring out Oasis to sing “Roll With It,” since, after all, terrorism is not really a big deal anymore, you just gotta accept it as part of life in the big city, and roll with it.

  132. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility. I

    Only in your addled imagination. Consult the good burgesses of Hama and ask them how much domestic tranquility they were enjoying in 1982. The breakdown of political order was a domestic phenomenon in Syria, a country where scores have been accumulating for 50-odd years and the United States has never been influential. Iraq was passably tranquil prior to 1958 and again from 1964 to 1968. It was a charnel house from 1968 to 2003 and suffered terribly during those years. Occidental military operations in Libya were brief and did not include ground troops.

    While you're striking these attitudes and penning encomiums to madcap autocrats, you're forgetting to compare the societies in question to anyplace else on the globe. What holds society together? It's fairly atypical for a place to break down into an anarchic state and remain in that state for years on end. You've had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar

    You’ve had several examples in the Arab world and points adjacent over the last generation. Some sort of catalyst from a western power is not a necessary condition for this at all.

    Might just be Semitic genes.

  133. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    …the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    She’s Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.

    It’s tempting to say she’s Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia’s categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists

    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jefferson, @Stealth

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar


    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.
     
    Excellent! I am stealing that.
  134. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Just to make this concrete, it’s either we let our 12-year olds be inspired by Ariana Grande, who sings about being ****ed so hard she can’t walk (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAfdGZhXYAAtnPt.jpg), probably looking like this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAeF6KCWAAAQ2F1.jpg) — or we let them get pimped out to Muslim gangs — or we let them be deliberately targeted with nailbombs by a British-citizen-so-stop-talking-about-immigration-it’s-literally-irrelevant-you-bigot.

    We need to start all over again.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  135. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Brutusale

    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I’m fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because…something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren’t ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don’t they try that? Because they’re stupid and cowardly.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    "Soft targets" my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

    Replies: @syonredux, @William Badwhite

  136. @Opinionator
    @mobi

    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    Replies: @Anonymouslee, @biz

    OBL was a man of such quality we haven’t seen in a long, long time in the supposed American “elite.” We are ruled by pathetic midgets who inherited a country built by heroes and giants like Washington and Jefferson.

    “If I had only ten qualities to enumerate in drafting a thumbnail biographical sketch of [bin Laden],” writes Scheuer,” they would be: pious, brave, generous, intelligent, charismatic, patient, visionary, stubborn, egalitarian, and most of all, realistic.”

    This realistic portrait of bin Laden’s life begins in his early years as a privileged Saudi Arabian youth. Before discussing the infamous terrorist that the world now knows, Scheuer shows the reader a bright, motivated, and admired young man who excelled at both manual labor and academic studies.

    Job-site construction experience would prove crucial in bin Laden’s later conflicts with the Soviets and Americans. For example, S presents oral Scheuer presents oral ccounts of a determined and brave Osama bin Laden on the Afghan battlefield fighting the Soviets, driving his bulldozer to the front lines to dig new trenches for his mujahedeen.

    If there was one aspect to remember from bin Laden’s years working for his father, it was his acquisition of a will to both passionately lead while remaining in and among those who followed him, a quality that would serve him well as a key figure in Al Qaeda.

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS is similarly far more personally impressive than anyone we can find in our ruling class.

    Pathetic but true.

  137. @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

    British West Indian immigrants don’t engage in crime for religious reasons – – – only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. “The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally,” she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn’t a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Detective Club


    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.
     
    Sure that wasn't Boy George going incognegro?

    Replies: @Detective Club

    , @Art Deco
    @Detective Club

    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They're also not endogamous.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Brutusale

  138. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar, @aceofspades, @Alden

    Yes sir, most certainly a religion of peace!

  139. @MW
    I'm having weirdly mixed feelings about this one. It's the photos of the aftermath, the young women dressed as sluts, the feeling that I'm as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.

    The feeling that liberalism had already taken these young women's souls. That last night was just cleaning up the ashes.

    Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. I don't know anymore.

    Replies: @mobi, @Alfa158, @tyrone, @WR, @Alden, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I’d say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden

    You get that time travel thing worked out, let me know.
    But to hell with Calvin. I want this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv47QktcBE4


    I prefer my decadence to at least be elegant.

  140. Looking at the responses to previous terror attacks, I think the West is set to import even more Muslims. And of course the progressives will double down…again!

  141. What bothered me about the coverage were the hosannas and praise of the security and medical services. ” The police were on site in 3 minutes”. ” The ambulances and medics wee wonderful” “cab drivers drive the kids home for no charge”. ” hotels offered rooms for no charge”

    God, I hate that cr*p. By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    They always do that. They did it in Paris and after the Florida club bombing.

    Sure the police got there right away but the bomber was a known criminal. I doubt the Brit police are allowed to investigate and keep track of Muslim exteemists at all. Plus, too many Brit officers are affirmative action Muslims.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Alden


    By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.
     
    The most cringe-inducing, I think, was the girly Bataclan widower in his thirties and the faggot partner of the slain Champs-Élysées cop respectively calling out, "You will not have my hatred!" just days after the objects of their respective sexual fulfillments had been murdered in cold blood in the name of Allah.

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  142. @Opinionator
    From a New York Times review of a book by the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission:

    Talking to the detainees was especially important because the commission was charged with explaining not only what happened, but also why it happened. In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    Given the Bush administration’s current policies in the region, another 9/11-style attack is less a matter of if than when.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Bamford.html

     

    Replies: @anon, @Alden

    So, I gather it’s all right to bomb a teeny bopper concert an kill and wound dozens because of Bush 2?

  143. @Alden
    @MW

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Replies: @Nico, @Hippopotamusdrome, @reiner Tor, @MW

    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from “good” and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It’s certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let’s just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most “bourgeois” men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Nico

    You are an idiot. We can't win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What's your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?

    Replies: @Jack Highlands, @Nico

  144. @Alden
    What bothered me about the coverage were the hosannas and praise of the security and medical services. " The police were on site in 3 minutes". " The ambulances and medics wee wonderful" "cab drivers drive the kids home for no charge". " hotels offered rooms for no charge"

    God, I hate that cr*p. By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won't drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    They always do that. They did it in Paris and after the Florida club bombing.

    Sure the police got there right away but the bomber was a known criminal. I doubt the Brit police are allowed to investigate and keep track of Muslim exteemists at all. Plus, too many Brit officers are affirmative action Muslims.

    Replies: @Nico

    By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.

    The most cringe-inducing, I think, was the girly Bataclan widower in his thirties and the faggot partner of the slain Champs-Élysées cop respectively calling out, “You will not have my hatred!” just days after the objects of their respective sexual fulfillments had been murdered in cold blood in the name of Allah.

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Nico


    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.
     
    I will do more than "call out".

    Replies: @Nico

  145. @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    You Can't Make This Shit Up Dep't:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-garcia-guitar-idUSKBN18I2CZ

    A one-of-a-kind guitar that became a trademark of sorts for Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia could fetch more than $1 million when it goes on the selling block at Guernsey's in New York City later this month.

    Dubbed "Wolf," the instrument was purchased by the musician in 1973 for $1,500 and played for nearly two decades. It sold in 2002 - seven years after Garcia's death - for more than $700,000. That price far surpassed the then-record $497,500, set in 1999 by Eric Clapton's Fender Stratocaster "Brownie."


    Named for its distinctive inlay of a wolf on the lower body, the instrument is one of five that was designed for Garcia by luthier Doug Irwin. The other guitars were dubbed "Eagle," "Tiger," "Wolf Jr.," and "Rosebud."

    Garcia sang and played guitar for the rock band from its formation in 1965 until his death from a heart attack at 53.

    Arlan Ettinger, president of Guernsey's auction house, said in an interview he is curious to see how much it goes for once it is put up for auction again on May 31.

    "The world record for any guitar ever sold, which had been this and its mate 'Tiger' ($957,500) at a million dollars, has since been eclipsed over the last 15 years," he said. "Now it's slightly above $2 million, but we'll see where this goes."

    A Fender Stratocaster signed by some of the world's greatest rock stars including Clapton, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards brought in a record $2.7 million at auction in November 2005.

    Wolf's current owner Daniel Pritzker, a longtime Deadhead, was reluctant to part with the instrument but he felt it was the right thing to do since he intends to donate the proceeds to an organization that works for social justice, Ettinger said.




    "Dan called and said that with the divisiveness going on in our country today he wanted to do something meaningful with Wolf. He ... gave it back to us with instructions to resell it and give all the money - he didn't want a penny of it - to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which for nearly 50 years has been fighting racism, poverty."

    Replies: @Kylie

    You are bloody effing kidding me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    Personally I'd chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn't feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.

    Replies: @Alden

  146. Manchester, of course, has something of a radical past, being the location of the Peterloo Massacre of protesting workers in 1819, the home of Friedrich Engels of Marx and Engels fame, the location of a massive IRA bomb that injured 200 people in 1996, and the original home of a newspaper founded in 1821 and known until 1959 as the Manchester Guardian, now better known as The Guardian

    From information in The Guardian, it seems that there is quite a connection between Manchester and Jihadism. No less than 16 individuals living within a three mile radius (walking distance, by English standards) of this suicide bomber have been convicted of illegal travel to Syria, membership of ISIS and similar offenses.

    It seems to me that one or two cruise missiles lobbed in the general direction of the local mosque might be a useful prophylactic for further ‘lone wolf’ attacks.

    Meanwhile, good luck to Manchester United Football Club who take on Ajax of Amsterdam in Stockholm, Sweden tomorrow night in the final of the Europa Cup. Hopefully nothing bad happens.

  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @MW


    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date – apparently the victim was a big fan):

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    , @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls."

    You are shocked that a Sicilian can get a darker tan than an English WASP.

    The ability for a Caucasoid to get a dark tan is a Mediterranean trait. You are a Jew you should know that, I expected better from you. Here is one of your Jewish tribe members Shaun Weiss for example with a dark tan.
    http://www.celebritynetworth123.com/wp-content/plugins/networthdisplay/cnwimages/s/shaun-weiss.jpg

    , @Stealth
    @Jack D

    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don't look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  148. @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    Replies: @Bastion, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson

    Speaking of “not real Muslims”, how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of “invade the world”… crazy world.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    Someone on Twitter linked me an article about that guy, in an effort to prove to me that racist, non-Muslim whites are terrorists too.

    Must not have read the whole article.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  149. Strategies for sightseeing in European countries while avoiding Muslims?

    I am thinking less about safety than wanting to see, as much as possible, what Europe used to be like. I am considering vacationing now before the situation gets worse.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Chrisnonymous

    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don't have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.

    Replies: @Anon 2

  150. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across.

    You're a committed Arab partisan, you have a very weak sense of how to assess the agency and responsibility of individuals and collectives, and you want dead Jews and excuses for manufacturing more dead Jews. You don't know much and you respond to banal factual information by impugning the character of people who take exception to whatever the consensus is in the circle jerks you inhabit. Tough.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anonymous

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous


    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Expletive Deleted

  151. Using Husseinobama logic, since this Libyan muzzie was born in Britain this was just a case of domestic “British” terrizm (sic), so this act of terror can in no way be laid at the feet of Muslims or Islam. The white Britons themselves did something to this poor fella to set him off like this. If they would have just opened their hearts and their minds and let him rape 4-6 of the native British women then he probably would not have had so much pent up anger and frustration.

    The fact that white Britons won’t serve up their daughters to the Saracen hordes in their midst means that, shockingly, there is still lingering racism after all the guilt tripping and brainwashing since 1945. There’s still much work to be done.

    White Westerners are slow learners and still haven’t figured out that the only way to defeat radical Islam and Muslim intolerance and hate for kafirs is not through a Muslim ban or mass deportation, but with kindness and candlelight vigils. But it’s still not too late and as bad as this act of terror was, Britons and other Westerners can finally realize that they have no right to exist and that their traditional homelands simply belong to everyone else except them because the Jews and their goy lackeys say so.

    To disagree constitutes the most vile forms or racism and anti-semitism that exist and an insult to holocaust survivors, self hating white liberals, cucks and know it all Hollywood celebrities.

  152. @anonymous
    Mark Steyn :

    "Carrying on exactly as before", as The Independent advises, will not be possible. A few months ago, I was in Toulouse, where Jewish life has vanished from public visibility and is conducted only behind the prison-like walls of a fortress schoolhouse and a centralized synagogue that requires 24/7 protection by French soldiers; I went to Amsterdam, which is markedly less gay than it used to be; I walked through Molenbeek after dark, where unaccompanied women dare not go. You can carry on, you can stagger on, but life is not exactly as it was before. Inch by inch, it's smaller and more constrained.
     

    Replies: @Tacitus

    This town is coming like a ghost town.

  153. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    You are bloody effing kidding me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Personally I’d chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn’t feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Weren't the Dead Heads who followed him ariubd drug dealers and addicts?

    Replies: @anon

  154. @Alden
    @MW

    Most of the females were not young women but under 16. I only noticed 2 outfits. One was cell phone footage that began just before the explosion. An older teenager wore a sleeveless White top

    In footage of the floor beneath the escalators I saw a girl in a pink dress running back and forth in panic. Judging by her height in relation to the adults I'd say she was 10 or 11 years old. It was unclear if the dress was modest or not.

    One girl being helped out had one leg of her pants blown off

    I doubt you actually saw the footage. But you just had to make some misogynist remark about girl children. There were plenty of boys and teens at the concert but you ignored them. You should time travel back to Calvins Geneva. I bet you agree with the Muslim fanatics that women and men not be allowed to swim at the same time. Or do you get all turned on by the sight of an 11 year old?

    Go find some Puritan fundamentalists site to spew your hatred of girls on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You get that time travel thing worked out, let me know.
    But to hell with Calvin. I want this:

    I prefer my decadence to at least be elegant.

  155. I guess we will see if the British think getting an authentic curry is more important than their 8 year old daughters getting blown up on a night out.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    Britain never adopted the Euro. The frictional costs of leaving the EU would be a great deal higher if they had.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  156. @Anonymous
    @EriK

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Replies: @Bugg, @EriK, @Peter Lund

    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Bugg

    Those stadiums are on the wrong side of history. The future belongs to stadiums that are designed like open-air maximum security prisons.

  157. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    Count that as one of those liberal beliefs that’s incompatible with some other liberal belief. Everyone in Britain is an immigrant, yet second generation Muslims are not immigrants because they were born there.

    Here’s another one: being gay is a fixed, innate characteristic, absolute and unalterable, but also, everybody is bisexual.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  158. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Jay Fink, @Gabriel M

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray’s new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:

    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been ‘a mongrel nation’. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: ‘[…] I’ve always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.’

    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi’s Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister

    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    From Roche's Guardian article -- to repeat, Roche was asylum and immigration minister under Blair and the descendant of Jewish immigrants:


    As Robert Winder, a Migration Museum trustee, wrote in his book Bloody Foreigners: The Story of Immigration to Britain: “Ever since the first Jute, the first Saxon, the first Roman and the first Dane leaped off their boats and planted their feet on British mud, we have been a [migrant] nation.”
     
    http://jewishquarterly.org/author/robert-winder/
    , @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’
     
    That being the case, Israel must be really racist.....
    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous

    The last major immigration to England was Anglosaxon/Danish (same people, really) which had a surprisingly hard-to-detect impact outside of language, law and so on, a bit like the Normano-Breton-Flemings, who seem to have vanished without trace as a people. Maybe you could count the Celtic reflux of the 18th and 19th centuries (jocks, taffs and paddies to the Army, canals, railroads and mines) from their holdout areas as internal immigrants?
    Prior to that it was the Early Bronze Age, when the Ibero-Sardinian type farmers (the megalith dudes) who'd exterminated the local hunters were themselves more-or-less wiped out entirely by Beaker and then sub-Unetice tribes from the Rhine. Same place, same Beaker/Corded Ware background as the Saxons etc., hence the difficulty in disentangling the genetics, but likely undifferentiated indo-european-heading-towards-celtic/italic speakers
    And it hasn't shifted hardly a whit since, in forty-four centuries. Neither in Britain nor Ireland.
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    tl;dr
    We've lived here a hell of a lot longer than any Jew has ever lived in Israel. And any Arab too, come to that. "Nation of immigrants" is a big fat ... Lie.

  159. Son of Libyan “refugees.” I read these facts at Drudge.
    I only heard once in several reports from NPR that he was of Libyan extraction; there was no mention of his parents “refugee” status.

    I heard many calls for “Unity.” Funny how that’s always the message, after Diversity strikes.

  160. @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America's business. Naturally I would hope they would conduct themselves civilly but that would be to apply standards that are not theirs to them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

    That wasn’t true even during Jefferson’s time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.

    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides’s maxim: “The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must”.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Johann Ricke



    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

     



    When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping

     

    Barbary pirates: Arabs attack us, our business.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to Jews.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to other Arabs.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Johann Ricke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2q1GLOMPq0&feature=related

  161. British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). Probably owing to their shy, retiring, unassertive, politically inactive natures.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Svigor

    The Rabbis of Manchester issued a statement the morning after the bombing not saying a word about the dead and wounded. It was just the standard nonsense that anyone who objected to the bombing was a racist and that the Jews would stand with the Muslims.

    , @Art Deco
    @Svigor

    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). P

    There are about 300,000 Jews in Britain, a country which has 63 million inhabitants. No, they don't own the BBC. Academic and media culture in Britain is hostile to Jews by default.

  162. @reiner Tor
    The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we'll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

    Replies: @John Gruskos, @Corvinus

    Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary.

    Rand Paul 2020.

  163. Well if this was a muslim immigrant, you can bet your bottom dollar it was an *illegal* immigrant. All illegals are bad, but President Trump has told us that we want more more more legal immigrants, because those are good immigrants and the kind of immigrants we need more of.

    Geezus Donald, you sound like jeb or dubya with that nonsense.

    So rest assured that this immigrant killer was definitely illegal and didn’t become an immigrant “the right way” as we say in the US. Because immigrants who do it “the right way” and “wait in liine” are here for love and the nice weather and are darned good folks just searching for a better life.

    The muzzie immigrant who went on the killing spree at Fort Hood was legal, I expect.

    Let’s get over the silly legal-illegal distinction, folks. Muzzie terrorists are going to do their thing whether they are here legally or otherwise, and we need to stop all immigration and start deporting them.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Buck Turgidson

    Did you know that invade...er...immigrants who come legally and with wholesome intentions of love and ambition have no effects on the economy or the ecology? They don't decrease wages by increasing supplies of labour, the don't increase rents and mortgages by decreasing available land, they don't drink water, eat food, use roads, require education, or visit hospitals and parks. Their children don't do do any if these things either. Traffic, pollution, prices, wages, competition, poverty, shortages: none of it has any relation to the population so long as the proper forms are completed in triplicate.

  164. Interesting that only 13 hours after the bomb went off the police announced that they identified the bomber. The bomber spent 3 weeks in Libya recently and set off his bomb a few days after he returned.

    So what were the police doing other than waiting around to rush to bomb sites.

    Katie Hopkins Daily Mail columnist wrote a tweet asking that men do something a ought the slaughter of their children. Another tweeter reported her within minutes and she is being investigated for hatred crime and inciting racial hatred.

    Tuesday morning the Manchester chief of police made a statement that any negative comments about Muslims would be prosecuted for hate crime and incitement to racial hatred. He made this speech at a memorial meeting mourning the deaths.

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Alden


    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.
     
    Rabbinical Judaism and Islam are both fellaheen religions hailing from the Magian culture; they both have been dead letters for a thousand years and they both only exist to serve and justify the ruthless ambitions of those who subscribe to them. The Jew with his intellect, the Muslim with his sword, are brothers in their attacks on Western Civilization. Anybody who thinks the Jews will come to fear and oppose the Muslim invasion of the West is deluding himself. The Jews are the very ones facilitating it.
  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Jan

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    From Roche’s Guardian article — to repeat, Roche was asylum and immigration minister under Blair and the descendant of Jewish immigrants:

    As Robert Winder, a Migration Museum trustee, wrote in his book Bloody Foreigners: The Story of Immigration to Britain: “Ever since the first Jute, the first Saxon, the first Roman and the first Dane leaped off their boats and planted their feet on British mud, we have been a [migrant] nation.”

    http://jewishquarterly.org/author/robert-winder/

  166. How a 8 years old child can go to this sexy-cat [kitty illuminati program] show*

  167. @Reg Cæsar
    @MW


    ...the feeling that I’m as much under attack from the Ariana Grandes of the world as from the Salman Abedis.
     
    She's Italian, but left the Church because they were mean to those like her queer half-brother. (Or half-queer brother. Something.)

    Not to mention she's from Florida, which is "California without ideas".

    It's tempting to say she's Madonna for eight-year-olds, but Madonna herself was Madonna for eight-year-olds.

    Anyway, here are Wikipedia's categories for Ariana:

    Categories: Ariana Grande 1993 births 21st-century American actresses 21st-century American singers Actresses from Florida American child actresses American child singers American dance musicians American electronic musicians American female pop singers American musical theatre actresses American people of Italian descent American people of Sicilian descent American people of Abruzzian descent American rhythm and blues singers American sopranos American television actresses Child pop musicians Feminist musicians LGBT rights activists from the United States Living people People from Boca Raton, Florida Republic Records artists Sex-positive feminists Singers from Florida Singers with a four-octave vocal range Universal Music Group artists
     
    Not promising sources to look for talent or sanity!

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

    Not to mention she’s from Florida, which is “California without ideas”.

    Excellent! I am stealing that.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  168. @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    Personally I'd chuck the thing into a Morbark machine before giving the SPLC a cent. And I wouldn't feel too bad about it-these hippie sandwich guitars look great but weigh a ton and sound like shit.

    Jerry was the most overrated rock guitarist in history. As a young man he had some chops, but the drugs took that pretty quick, and for decades he was this zombie, cranking out tripping half baked chords through a signal chain that made him sound like fermented, pickled shit. His rig was bizarre-the front end of a Fender Showman (with the Tom Walker three pot tonestack) into a McIntosh hi fi amp and a cab system made of huge heavy boxes the weight of infant coffins.

    But my real contempt is reserved not for the Dead themselves but their sycophantic entourage that enabled the decades of nonsense.

    Replies: @Alden

    Weren’t the Dead Heads who followed him ariubd drug dealers and addicts?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alden

    Dunno, but Garcia was named as a longtime FBI informant after his death.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  169. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    Objection, relevance. Also, having read a fair amount about WW2, I'm fairly certain Churchill and Truman went after hard targets as well. And ultimately they won.

    We get, you think the killings are justified because...something or other.

    However these murderous savages aren't ever going to achieve their goals by blowing up concerts and trains. Is killing these soft targets doing anything to change U.S. foreign policy? No. Is it ever going to? Doubtful.

    Would going after politicians and their neocon cheerleaders and loudly announce why they did it? Perhaps. Why don't they try that? Because they're stupid and cowardly.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.
     

    Not if you believe that you are going to be rewarded in the afterlife......and in a rather carnal fashion....

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator

    , @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    It may take "courage" to blow yourself or crash a plane (that your barbaric culture could never, in a billion years, have designed and built) but the fact remains that blowing up school kids isn't going to change any foreign policy.

    And I would argue that the US Marines that held off the Japanese (soft targets?) at Guadalcanal had a lot more courage than some wild-eyed nutcase that thinks blowing himself will finally get him laid.

    We get it - you think the West's foreign policy justifies the random murder of children. That is entirely consistent with your culture and religion's savagery and abject stupidity.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @biz

  170. @Chrisnonymous
    Strategies for sightseeing in European countries while avoiding Muslims?

    I am thinking less about safety than wanting to see, as much as possible, what Europe used to be like. I am considering vacationing now before the situation gets worse.

    Replies: @Alden

    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don’t have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Alden

    Poland, Hungary, and Austria are refusing
    to admit (more) Muslim migrants. This is
    now becoming a war between the EU honchos
    and the notion of national sovereignty within
    the EU, particularly because Frau Merkel in her
    infinite wisdom made a unilateral decision (without
    consulting with her EU allies) to invite the migrants
    into Germany, back in late summer of 2015

  171. @Anonymous
    @Jan

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Roche, Winder, Shabi, Portes -- and then Spencer. My margin of error is 20%.

    But the thinking seems characteristic: anxious to transform society, perhaps subconsciously in ways that would make it more comfortable for me -- and I feel fundamentally apart from the majority, so I must transform it by diversifying it, making everyone else as apart from it as I am. Since I'm a striver in the power structure, I get my way.

    I guess I'll just have to read Spencer to see how she thinks.

  172. @Daniel H
    @TG

    >>One must remember that Islam is not a religion (or to the extent that it is, I don’t care).

    It doesn't add any light to assert that Islam is not a religion. Islam is most definitely a religion, just a totalitarian religion, and that doesn't make it any less a religion.

    Late Romand and Medieval Roman Catholicism was a totalitarian religion to a great extent, but that didn't make it evil. Roman Catholicism tried and fairly well succeeded in infusing the entire day with a Christian outlook. It of course did it largely through persuasion and for those who didn't go along it used ostracism, not terror and violence (except in isolated cases, which were not policy). But Islam is most definitely a religion, a very dangerous one, to believers and non-believers alike.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Intelligent Dasein

    The distinction here is that Islam is a fellaheen religion which is devoid of metaphysical content. There is nothing new that can come from Islam; it is already “finished.” The Islamic hordes whom we see today are the final state; they are simply masses of directionless, rootless men for whom the bestial impulses toward survival and dominance are all that remains in the blood. Islam today is best understood as a sort of “pirate code” that sets the rules for aboard-ship discipline between fellow pirates while defining the rest of the world as bounty and spoil.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  173. @Svigor

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.
     
    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). Probably owing to their shy, retiring, unassertive, politically inactive natures.

    Replies: @Alden, @Art Deco

    The Rabbis of Manchester issued a statement the morning after the bombing not saying a word about the dead and wounded. It was just the standard nonsense that anyone who objected to the bombing was a racist and that the Jews would stand with the Muslims.

  174. I got a haircut in a famously sh!tlib town today.

    The barberess (barberella?) asked me if I had heard about Manchester.

    I said I had.

    She asked, probably rhetorically, how long this could go on?

    I answered, “It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them.”

    She paused, then, somewhat to my surprise, assented.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Almost Missouri


    It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them
     
    I think it will be neither of those, what will happen is that this will increasingly be accepted as normal, kind of how the very high crime rates of countries like South Africa or Brazil are part of everyday life. These kind of events will continue to occur and the response will be the usual "we must not let them win by embracing our diversity". To answer her question, I can see this going on for decades at the very least, and probably for centuries even.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  175. @Alden
    Interesting that only 13 hours after the bomb went off the police announced that they identified the bomber. The bomber spent 3 weeks in Libya recently and set off his bomb a few days after he returned.

    So what were the police doing other than waiting around to rush to bomb sites.

    Katie Hopkins Daily Mail columnist wrote a tweet asking that men do something a ought the slaughter of their children. Another tweeter reported her within minutes and she is being investigated for hatred crime and inciting racial hatred.

    Tuesday morning the Manchester chief of police made a statement that any negative comments about Muslims would be prosecuted for hate crime and incitement to racial hatred. He made this speech at a memorial meeting mourning the deaths.

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    The Rabbis of Manchester made a statement denouncing anyone who had negative thoughts about Islam. They also made the standard claim that anti Islam leads to anti semitism and that the Jewish community of Manchester would stand in solidarity with the Muslims.

    Rabbinical Judaism and Islam are both fellaheen religions hailing from the Magian culture; they both have been dead letters for a thousand years and they both only exist to serve and justify the ruthless ambitions of those who subscribe to them. The Jew with his intellect, the Muslim with his sword, are brothers in their attacks on Western Civilization. Anybody who thinks the Jews will come to fear and oppose the Muslim invasion of the West is deluding himself. The Jews are the very ones facilitating it.

  176. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jefferson, @Stealth

    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Autochthon

    "My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?"

    Ariana Grande doesn't claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @syonredux
    @Autochthon


    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.
     
    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother's:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande


    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.
     
    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.
     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    Replies: @BB753

  177. @Nico
    @Alden

    I recommend the movie La Grande Vadrouille, about the resistance in France. When the men come up out of the catacombs into the city streets the first people they run into are hookers. You will notice that their dress was exactly what fashionable young ladies from "good" and Catholic French families wear on a night out today. It's certainly pleasing to my young perverted eye but the consciousness that the sexual revolution has turned the whole world into a brothel certainly does not make me feel at ease about letting my future daughters stray too far from the house or the convent school, if you get my drift.

    And then we could talk about the men in the movie. Let's just say the farmers and the proles in the movie make most "bourgeois" men in modern France look like hobos. And France is still, relatively speaking, one of the best-dressed countries on Earth.

    In any event, the answer to Islamic prudery and violence is certainly not laxism and flabbiness. The West has a serious disciplinary problem for about 50 years running and that indiscipline is precisely why we are losing the fight to keep the countries we call home.

    Replies: @Alden

    You are an idiot. We can’t win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What’s your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    @Alden

    Sorry old-timer, #WhiteSharia is a young man's game. And with these boomer-cucked notions, they wouldn't let you join the Thot Patrol even if you were up to the job.

    , @Nico
    @Alden

    Here's my point. If you're not capable of some sort of balance between the libertinage trash of letting your girls run amok to the point where any asshole mongrel rapist can knock her up and the tyrannical cloistering and shrouding away of them, I don't want you in my army. Either way you're not capable of protecting your home or homeland: you're the nitwit who's always on the lookout for the nearest brothel and lets this consideration influence hs every decision. Competent soldiers can't think ONLY with our gonads.

  178. @Buck Turgidson
    Well if this was a muslim immigrant, you can bet your bottom dollar it was an *illegal* immigrant. All illegals are bad, but President Trump has told us that we want more more more legal immigrants, because those are good immigrants and the kind of immigrants we need more of.

    Geezus Donald, you sound like jeb or dubya with that nonsense.

    So rest assured that this immigrant killer was definitely illegal and didn't become an immigrant "the right way" as we say in the US. Because immigrants who do it "the right way" and "wait in liine" are here for love and the nice weather and are darned good folks just searching for a better life.

    The muzzie immigrant who went on the killing spree at Fort Hood was legal, I expect.

    Let's get over the silly legal-illegal distinction, folks. Muzzie terrorists are going to do their thing whether they are here legally or otherwise, and we need to stop all immigration and start deporting them.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Did you know that invade…er…immigrants who come legally and with wholesome intentions of love and ambition have no effects on the economy or the ecology? They don’t decrease wages by increasing supplies of labour, the don’t increase rents and mortgages by decreasing available land, they don’t drink water, eat food, use roads, require education, or visit hospitals and parks. Their children don’t do do any if these things either. Traffic, pollution, prices, wages, competition, poverty, shortages: none of it has any relation to the population so long as the proper forms are completed in triplicate.

  179. Maybe this will arrest the decline the Tories have suffered this week after the released that horribly stupid dementia tax idea.

  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration — Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes — to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue

    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    What kind of name is Spencer?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Roche, Winder, Shabi, Portes — and then Spencer. My margin of error is 20%.

    But the thinking seems characteristic: anxious to transform society, perhaps subconsciously in ways that would make it more comfortable for me — and I feel fundamentally apart from the majority, so I must transform it by diversifying it, making everyone else as apart from it as I am. Since I’m a striver in the power structure, I get my way.

    I guess I’ll just have to read Spencer to see how she thinks.

  181. @weyyar
    The target was young white girls and that was probably intentional. Kill them if they won't have sex with you. At any rate, the response will obviously to import millions of more Muslims. I have no sympathy for Europeans who won't fight to save their own countries from Third World barbarity.

    Replies: @Alden

    Commenter MW agrees with the bomber that young White girls deserve death because they are “sluts” even at age 8 which was the age of one of the girls killed.

  182. @Alden
    @Nico

    You are an idiot. We can't win over Islam by treating women and girls like Muslims do. What's your point? That the bomber bombed them because they dressed immodestly according to his prevented standards? Or do you think the nuzzles will stop invading and attacking Europe if Europeans put women and girls in burkas? Even the Muslims let little girls dress normally until they are about 4 ft 10.

    What is this some geriatric old codger site?

    Replies: @Jack Highlands, @Nico

    Sorry old-timer, #WhiteSharia is a young man’s game. And with these boomer-cucked notions, they wouldn’t let you join the Thot Patrol even if you were up to the job.

    • Agree: Nico
  183. @Opinionator
    @Jim Don Bob

    Was it an act of self defense?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    “Was it an act of self defense?”

    Which desert camel country are you from?

  184. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record, @Frau Katze

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you’re right it’s from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it’s from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:

    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Now you're changing the subject to street crime?


    Again, the country has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past and hasn't had a passably functioning civil society since 1963. Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  185. @Opinionator
    @Jim Don Bob

    Was it an act of self defense?

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    Killing your host is bad manners.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "Killing your host is bad manners."

    Since when do Muslims like Opinionator care about manners?

    , @Escher
    @syonredux

    Viruses and bacilli do just fine by killing their hosts.

    , @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

  186. @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    “My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?”

    Ariana Grande doesn’t claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jefferson

  187. @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    I've lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo...er...influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily? I refuse to spend any time or energy learning about such persons.)

    Replies: @Jefferson, @syonredux

    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.

    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother’s:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.

    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    • Replies: @BB753
    @syonredux

    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.

    Replies: @syonredux

  188. @Dr. X
    The sane and rational reaction would be to completely shut down Muslim immigration and the resettlement of refugees. (In the UK, which still has an established religion, it would legally be possible to monitor and suppress the existing Muslim population as well).

    Of course, we can readily predict that the opposite will happen. The socio-political elites will redouble the enforcement of hate crimes and political correctness, continue to kiss Muslims on the ass, and continue to tighten the enforcement of the soft totalitarianism that the UK has become against the native British population.

    One aspect of this that I find fascinating is the "security theater" of the British police. Every time one of these attacks occurs, Bobbies swarm the streets armed with handguns and battle rifles that are completely banned from the British public. British gun control has been 100% ineffective at stopping terrorist acts. As far as I'm aware, none of these cops have ever stopped a terrorist attack in progress, despite the fact that the British police have far greater powers than Americans to monitor and suppress the public.

    The problem of terrorism caused by foreigners (or people descended from foreigners) is 100% the fault of the British government given the fact that they are an island nation and nobody can get there without the permission of the government. They respond with a ridiculous and ineffective show of force after the fact, because they cannot admit that they are the ones indirectly responsible for the deaths of their own people.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Alden

    Agree. And what’s really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Harry Baldwin

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It's hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country's entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Dissident
    @Harry Baldwin


    The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.
     
    I guess that just goes to show that as progressive and enlightened as the French are in so many respects, they, just like us here in the U.S., still couldn't bring themselves to elect a woman as their leader. Alas, misogyny/sexism is still very much a force to be reckoned with-- one we ignore at our own peril.
  189. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Escher, @Opinionator

    “Killing your host is bad manners.”

    Since when do Muslims like Opinionator care about manners?

  190. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Well if Islam doesn't create poverty, it doesn't create wealth (that doesn't come out of the ground) either. The intellectual and industrial achievements of Islam in the last 500+ years are nil. By eschewing all knowledge except memorization of the Koran, by its imprisonment of women, by its medieval attitudes, Islam pretty much assures that a country will never escape from poverty unless it has oil under it.

    Replies: @Alden

    It’s a bit more than 500 years. Islam conquered Spain and Portugual, Egypt, Persia and the Byzantium eastern Roman Empire which was the heir to Greece.

    Most of those glorious achievements were not Arab Muslim but ancient and Christian achievements. For instance, Haroun al Rachid 900AD was praised for the preservation of ancient science and philosophy. But the copiers that did the actual work were Christian Syrian monks who established their libraries long before the Muslim conquest. The allegedly great Arab physicians just followed the same Galen nonsense the European Drs did. Algebra came from India.

    Most history has been written to denigrate Christianity and White Europeans and praise anything not Christian and European. The Arab Muslims destroyed the great ancient civilizations in 400 years and the areas have not recovered and never will no matter how rich the countries may be.

  191. @Anonymous
    @Jan

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    ‘Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche — who criticised colleagues for being too white — insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche — a descendant of East End Jews — believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, ‘I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.’

    That being the case, Israel must be really racist…..

  192. As horrific as this tragedy was, if diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

  193. @anonymous
    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger. We wouldn't dream of asking you to stop killing us, because we almost certainly deserve it no matter what. All we ask is that you share your feelings verbally so that we can understand and appease you. And then, and only then, if you think our efforts are worthy of it, you can decide whether or not we still need more punishment. Thank you. A salaam aleikum.

    I majored in Foucault Studies, with a minor in Social Justice.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:

    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    … “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @for-the-record

    That's why the Muslims are punishing Sweden...for its brutal legacy of colonialism and warmongering in the Middle East.

    And that's why, in the '60s and early '70s, when we dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos (making it the most heavily bombed country per capita in history), Laotian immigrant terrorists were blowing people up at Janis Joplin concerts in Milwaukee.

  194. @Almost Missouri
    I got a haircut in a famously sh!tlib town today.

    The barberess (barberella?) asked me if I had heard about Manchester.

    I said I had.

    She asked, probably rhetorically, how long this could go on?

    I answered, "It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them."

    She paused, then, somewhat to my surprise, assented.

    Replies: @neutral

    It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them

    I think it will be neither of those, what will happen is that this will increasingly be accepted as normal, kind of how the very high crime rates of countries like South Africa or Brazil are part of everyday life. These kind of events will continue to occur and the response will be the usual “we must not let them win by embracing our diversity”. To answer her question, I can see this going on for decades at the very least, and probably for centuries even.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @neutral

    Well, perhaps, but I'm not sure that's what your examples show. In South Africa for instance, the Bantus went from zero, to working under legal disability, to the legally sacrosanct majority holding the whip hand in every matter. That sure looks like winning to me.

  195. @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,

    Large enough to cause trouble…..

    do not hail from populous source countries,

    Like Puerto Ricans……

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,

    Certainly not racially kindred….

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.

    Not if you live near them…..

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he’s vindicated every day….

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb 'refugees'. This was the nut of his complaint:


    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?



    No, Britain isn't run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are 'immigrants', Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @syonredux

  196. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jefferson, @Stealth

    “She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it’s said that some Sicilians have African admixture – the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.”

    You are shocked that a Sicilian can get a darker tan than an English WASP.

    The ability for a Caucasoid to get a dark tan is a Mediterranean trait. You are a Jew you should know that, I expected better from you. Here is one of your Jewish tribe members Shaun Weiss for example with a dark tan.

  197. @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

    Words that need to be heard:

  198. @Harry Baldwin
    @Dr. X

    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Dissident

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Cagey Beast

    It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Leaving the EU would do neither. Unless their consumption bundle was chock-a-bloc with imported merchandise, a devaluation derived from replacing the Euro would have only modest effects on their real income. (The ratio of imports to GDP is about 0.15). The EU's external tariffs are small and other countries have vigorous trade with EU members without belonging to the EU (the United States, Canada, Israel, and Norway to name several).

  199. @Art Deco
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population, do not hail from populous source countries, are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat, and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively. His predictions proved to be nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Detective Club, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux

    More wise words:

    Rudyard Kipling

    The Stranger

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  200. Manchester was the world’s first industrialized city.
    Until only a few decades ago it was a great center of
    the textile industry (which later migrated to China, etc).
    For some strange reason, “Manchester, England” is
    also mentioned prominently in the 1967 hippie musical Hair.

    Events like this make me feel sorry for the whole Millennial
    generation. Time magazine IIRC several years ago had a story
    in which it referred to the Millennials as the screwed-up generation:
    9/11, invasion of Iraq, Katrina, Great Recession, depressed wages,
    low marriage rates, and these days terrorism. It wasn’t that long
    ago that going to a concert was one of the most pleasurable carefree
    experiences one could have. I certainly relish my memories of going
    to see the Stones, Grateful Dead, Phish (not so much!),… Woodstock ’69
    couldn’t happen today. There would be too much fear. Even the careers
    of the Beatles or the Stones would probably not reach the stratospheric
    highs they did in this climate of fear. My generation in the U.S. enjoyed 28
    years, almost three decades, of relative peace from 1973 (end of the draft) to
    9/11/2001.

    Sorry if I’m focusing too much on the pleasures of concert going while
    people are still mourning their dead and wounded.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    From the 1967 musical "Hair"

    Manchester England England
    Across the Atlantic Sea
    And I'm a genius genius
    ......
    (sung by Claude Bukowski)

    In the original musical (but not the later movie),
    created by James Radomski (Rado) and Gerome Ragni,
    a Polish-American and an Italian-American, Claude Bukowski,
    in a fake English accent, says he's "the most beautiful beast in
    the forest" from "Manchester, England." A tribe member reminds
    him he's really from Flushing, NY. It seems like there is some
    residual English snobbery at work here, which was stronger back
    in the '60s. From the U.S. point of view England no longer appears
    very upscale. In fact, Manchester, being an industrial city, could never
    aspire to being an urban Garden of Eden, not even in someone's
    LSD-fueled perfervid imagination back in the '60s.

    By the way, since one of the creators of the musical was Polish, he gave
    one of the two main protagonists a Polish name, Bukowski

  201. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.

    Islamic State’s Dabiq magazine issue #15

    Self hating Westerners are of no use for us. Go away.

  202. @anon
    s not depressing Steve , you brute. What would be depressing is if this incident provoked an Islamophobic backlash against innocent Muslims.

    Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim. A cursory read of the Koran proves it to be a peaceful book.

    We need to do some soul searching. I mean my head is literrally spinning. We marginalized this young man. We need to do a better job at integration.

    We cannot let them win. We need to win them over with love. If we dont let refugees in than the terrorists win. Its 2017 guys , why cant you undrstand this. wow just wow

    Replies: @Bastion, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson

    “Your readers should realize that the bomber was not a real Muslim.”

    If the Manchester bomber is not a real Muslim than Dylann Roof is not a real White.

    If Muslims are not capable of behaving like barbaric animals than neither are Whites.

  203. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    “He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.”

    Salman Abedi the Manchester terrorist is about as ethnically “British” as Daniel Kaluuya the star of Get Out.

  204. @Opinionator
    @Tex

    Have you not noticed that antipathy to “invade the world, invite the world” policies is pretty standard issue around here?


    Judging by the responses to this thread, a large number of commenters (half?) have bought into the Zionist narrative.

    Replies: @biz

    I enjoy that you are redefining “Zionist” to mean anyone who objects to getting slaughtered in our streets and cities by Islamist maniacs, and anyone who recognizes the cause and effect between terrorism and Islamist religious beliefs vis a vis martyrdom and infidels.

  205. @Jack D
    @Charles Pewitt


    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @anonymous

    “But it seems like he didn’t assimilate into British culture at all.”

    Muslims don’t assimilate into the host countries they immigrate to. Muslims want the host countries to assimilate into their culture, not the other way around.

  206. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    @mobi

    Bin Laden was wealthy and educated. The world was his oyster and he gave it all up to fight what he perceived to be injustice. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a bright engineer. Ayman al Zawahri is a physician.

    Replies: @Anonymouslee, @biz

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs – that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS’s Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @biz

    Eight to five you start sending enough of them to paradise and they get cold feet, for awhile. Long enough to kick them out, which ought to be the end goal.

    , @Jefferson
    @biz

    "They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard."

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.

    Replies: @biz

    , @Opinionator
    @biz

    You are fumbling around with Occam's Butterknife.

    Occam's Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.

    Replies: @syonredux

  207. @Alden
    @Chrisnonymous

    Rent a car and stick to rural areas. There are as many historical sites, cathedrals etc. in rural areas as in cities. Stay away from big city train stations. They are hang outs for homeless Arabs. Hungary, Poland Czech Republic are safer,

    If you can tolerate being sedentary, Viking lines has river cruises. You don't have to drive or sit on trains and all the river cities are very historic.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Poland, Hungary, and Austria are refusing
    to admit (more) Muslim migrants. This is
    now becoming a war between the EU honchos
    and the notion of national sovereignty within
    the EU, particularly because Frau Merkel in her
    infinite wisdom made a unilateral decision (without
    consulting with her EU allies) to invite the migrants
    into Germany, back in late summer of 2015

  208. @Chrisnonymous
    @anon

    Speaking of "not real Muslims", how about the neo-Nazi-turned-Muslim in Florida who killed his neo-Nazi roommates because of "invade the world"... crazy world.

    Replies: @anon

    Someone on Twitter linked me an article about that guy, in an effort to prove to me that racist, non-Muslim whites are terrorists too.

    Must not have read the whole article.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @anon

    In that person's defense, I'd say it's most likely that nitwit was attracted to neo-Nazism and then Islam precisely because his was attracted to violence first.

  209. If we kill them, we lose. We can only win by dying.

  210. @Bill B.
    @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    This deathly repetitious jig of slaughter followed by calls for tolerance also risks being speeded up in its effects by Western government attempts to "regularize" Islam.

    Inevitably behind the high minded calls for a French-Islam or a German-Islam will be pious, bigoted Imams taking their lead from the ATM of intolerant religion: Saudi Arabia.

    As the Algerian writer Buoalem Sansal has argued from the Algerian experience attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in a massive expansion of strict, Wahabi-style Islam because it became not something voluntary or popular with old men, as was the case up until the 1980s (in his town that he uses as an example), but de rigueur.

    In other words, Sansal says, the perpetrators of horrific jihadi violence will obtain all their demands when governments make the mistake of attempting to supervise into being a "safe" Islam.

    Worth a listen (with usable subtitles).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-jDG_wnqcE&t=285s

    The takeover, for me, is that there is no good accommodation with Islam qua Islam.

    Replies: @Karl

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Karl


    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore
     
    Singapore is, certainly in these matters, an authoritarian state. It ensures that ethnic Chinese retain absolute racial dominance and works with adamantine will to maintain Muslims at relatively low numbers.

    It is absolutely understood that the Islamic tail will never be permitted to wag the Chinese dog and this stance receives the overwhelming support of the great majority of the population.

    Sansal is talking about the foolishness of thinking that Islam can be contained by regulations that will be policed by religious Muslims themselves.
  211. @Anonymous
    @EriK

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Replies: @Bugg, @EriK, @Peter Lund

    Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers.

    I believe that. Counterproductive to train someone to make bombs and then blow themselves up.

  212. What’s depressing? This is what they wanted. Is it depressing when a person sticks a fork in an electrical socket and is shocked?

  213. @anonymous
    @Ed

    If I didn't loudly ridicule the travel ban, my friends might think I support Trump, and then my entire peer group would ostracize me. I am willing to die in a terrorist attack to avoid being shunned by the cool kids at school.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If I didn’t loudly ridicule the travel ban…

    I ridicule the travel ban, too. For being too wussy.

    What’s needed is a total moratorium on Islamic immigration until they can go 25 years without a single terrorist act.

    “They” meaning the entirety of Islam, the whole camelhumpin’ billion of ’em.

    • Agree: NickG
  214. @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Jay Fink, @Gabriel M

    So do American Jews. I can not begin to count how many pro-Muslim posts I read on Facebook from my Cousin, a successful Jewish attorney. He loves Muslims. i don’t think he knows any personally but he definitely loves them and wants a lot of them to immigrate here.

  215. @Art Deco
    @Jan

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it's bizarre to divine the views of 'British Jewry' from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jay Fink

    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don’t practice it. I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don’t think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Jay Fink


    I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features
     
    There are a lot of Jewish people who fit that description. You might not be nearly as atypical as you think.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  216. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    So these European born and/or raised psychos are justified in killing their fellow citizens on behalf of their co-religionists thousands of miles away. Not making a good argument for the assimilability of Muslims, are we?

  217. @Jefferson
    @Autochthon

    "My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida. (Or does she claim both parents were born in Sicily?"

    Ariana Grande doesn't claim any Hispanic or Non Hispanic Native American ancestry.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon….

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Autochthon

    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Jefferson
    @Autochthon

    "Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon…."

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn't Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it's not cool to be White in 2017.

    Replies: @Autochthon

  218. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Escher, @Opinionator

    Viruses and bacilli do just fine by killing their hosts.

  219. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here she is with one of the victims (taken at an earlier date - apparently the victim was a big fan):

    https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11378261_703146036463542_950083194_n.jpg

    She is supposed to be 100% Southern Italian but it's said that some Sicilians have African admixture - the difference in skin tone is striking next to the apple cheeked English girls.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jefferson, @Stealth

    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don’t look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Stealth

    "People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark."

    In The Sopranos thread on Nordic Stormfront they think Big Pussy, Bobby, and Vito look like Mestizos, because they do not see White people who look like them within their WASP ethnicity. Since most people on Stormfront live in Flyover Country where there are barely any Italians, they are not familiar with the types of phenotypes that exist within the Mediterranean.

    Replies: @Stealth

  220. @Detective Club
    @Art Deco

    British West Indian immigrants don't engage in crime for religious reasons - - - only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it's mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.
    https://youtu.be/e6X26j9v13A
    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. "The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally," she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn't a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.

    Sure that wasn’t Boy George going incognegro?

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    @Reg Cæsar

    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the "Rihanna Look" - - - but without the annoying tattoos. If you're a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don't want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!

    Replies: @Anonymous

  221. @Johann Ricke
    @for-the-record


    Sorry, but before the intervention of the US and its “allies”, Iraq, Libya and Syria had a relatively high degree of domestic tranquility.
     
    Actually, all three countries had major malcontents that occasionally erupted in rebellion against the ruling regimes. Iraq had its majority Shiites and minority Kurds, Libya had its increasingly Islamist rebels up in arms about Gadaffi's secular rule and Syria has been chafing under minority Alawite rule ever since Hafez Assad came to power. The one thing these three regimes had in common was their long history of not just opposition to US interests, but of actual attacks on Americans. Iraq, of course, attacked the USS Stark, Libya did the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on GI's in West Germany and Syria was involved in the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon.

    Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme. The oil-producing Gulf kingdoms are important enough that even noted dove Jimmy Carter risked direct confrontation with the Soviets by backing the Afghan mujahideen and initiated the Carter Doctrine, stating that any attack in the Gulf region would be regarded as an attack on the US. And yet Saddam persisted. Saddam dug his own grave by persisting in feeding his Saladin fantasies (while slaughtering Saladin's Kurdish kinfolk). If he had simply complied with UN requirements, he could have kept Iraq's Kurds and Shiites at bay without repercussion. But he had to have the last word.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was foolish in the extreme

    As was Germany’s invasion of France. Note that in both conflicts, we sided with the antisuffragist victims against their suffragist invaders. Just sayin’…

  222. Kyle says:

    Steve, we crossed the rubicon 20 years ago. What do I think of manchester? I don’t much, what else is new? Manifest destiny. Dwelling on the past or on the present is futile. Our number one goal should be organization moving forward. More education grants for “rural” kids, “ending racial disparity” in welfare recipients, constructing a border wall to “combat human trafficking”, and reducing HB1 visas to “reduce competition for jobs” among the highly educated. These should be our goals, thus should be our rhetoric. “Affordable family formation,” is also rhetorical genius.

  223. @Bugg
    @Anonymous

    Been to many concerts and sporting events at arenas and stadiums across the US. Whats trikes me about last night is the bomber or his team times this perfectly. The moment the show lets out invariably the exit doors are overwhelmed with people leaving. And this had the added number of parents waiting for their children at exit points.To be at an exit point required no security check; bomber was able to maximize his destruction and get very close.

    The scary part of this is there are some stadiums and arenas that do a very good job of getting people in and out of their venues, but nay that do not. Yankee Stadium, the Barclays Center and Madison Square Garden, for example, get people in and out very quickly. All grasped that numerous exit points work better for everyone rather than herding people into choke points. And others that do a simply awful job. Citifield, and Metlife Stadium are either designed or administered to have crowd bottlenecks and entry and exit points. And the 2 scariest are far and away Fenway Park and Wrigley Filed. Not much you can do with ancient places like that.

    Replies: @Escher

    Those stadiums are on the wrong side of history. The future belongs to stadiums that are designed like open-air maximum security prisons.

  224. Anonymous [AKA "Catsrawesome"] says:

    It’s ok guys. The terrorist was born in England. He’s not an immigrant. But the low-informaton conservatives aren’t nuanced enough in their thinking to cognizance this dichotomy/paradigm.

  225. Time for an emergency facebook filter, to project the union flag onto buildings, light some candles, have some fluffy hashtags and do much ostentatious emoting.

    Meantime – let’s change the UK school calendar to be sharia compliant, so the nice Muslims – and the remaining 95% of the population – don’t have to sit exams during Ramadan.

    And time to carry on full speed with the The Great replacement and institute the frontlash against all those badthinkers who would be beastly to the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @NickG

    Hasn't the Union flag been declared racist and offensive.

    , @BB753
    @NickG

    What the British really need now is Elton John playing "Imagine" on his piano in the Manchester Arena and a nice and massive candlelight vigil. That will strike fear into the hearts of terrorists, surely.
    The more they kill us kaffirs the closer we are to defeating Jihad. In fact, Muslims will become fully integrated by the time they reach 100% of the population : if that's what it takes, it will totally be worth going extinct, or so liberal morons actually think. So don't reproduce yourselves and don't make such a fuss about being slaughtered. It's for the common good.

  226. @Jay Fink
    @Art Deco

    I disagree. Genetic testing clearly shows Jews are an ethnic group. In my case it is not my religion because I don't practice it. I don't look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features and I certainly don't think like a typical Jewish person as I am not a leftist. Yet my 23andme results show I am 98.5% Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Stealth

    I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features

    There are a lot of Jewish people who fit that description. You might not be nearly as atypical as you think.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Stealth

    I knew this but wrongly assumed Jews like myself with Northern European looking features had more mixing with gentiles in their genetic history. I expected my Ashkenazi (which I realize are the most white looking Jews) % to be under 90%. Instead it was 98.5% which is on the high end of typical for someone with two Jewish parents.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  227. @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jefferson

    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Really? Why?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Opinionator

    Why not? It entitles me to preferential treatment in violation of justice and decency, and thus some modicum of equality with others before the law in its currently perverted state.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Opinionator

    Under Race, I put "American".

  228. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Killing your host is bad manners.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Escher, @Opinionator

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?
     
    Absolutely, dear fellow. It's an ancient custom. Killing your host is frowned upon.

    But that is simply further evidence that Muslims should not be allowed in Western countries.

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?
     
    After all, dear fellow, Eddie Rickenbacker didn't go all Pan-German back in the Great War.....


    Muslims living in the West, though, fail the Rickenbacker-Eisenhower-Pershing-Nimitz-Spaatz test......

    How contemptible......

    Replies: @Opinionator

  229. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @for-the-record
    @anonymous

    To all Muslims, especially the angry, violent ones: We are so very, very sorry for whatever we did to cause you so much anger. Please tell us what we can do to reduce your anger.

    From Newsweek, March 31, 2017:


    UNDER TRUMP, U.S. MILITARY HAS ALLEGEDLY KILLED OVER 1,000 CIVILIANS IN IRAQ, SYRIA IN MARCH

    ... “Evidence gathered on the ground in East Mosul points to an alarming pattern of U.S.-led coalition airstrikes which have destroyed whole houses with entire families inside,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International, who carried out field investigations in Mosul.

    “The high civilian toll suggests that coalition forces leading the offensive in Mosul have failed to take adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.”

     

    See also Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2004, ISBN, 0805075593.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495590580&sr=8-1&keywords=chalmers+johnson+blowback

    Replies: @Anon

    That’s why the Muslims are punishing Sweden…for its brutal legacy of colonialism and warmongering in the Middle East.

    And that’s why, in the ’60s and early ’70s, when we dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos (making it the most heavily bombed country per capita in history), Laotian immigrant terrorists were blowing people up at Janis Joplin concerts in Milwaukee.

  230. @syonredux
    @Autochthon


    My own inexpert guess is her complexion more than likely stems from mestizo…er…influences among her ancestors in Florida.
     
    She uses a lot of bronzer. Compare her complexion to her brother's:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande


    I’ve lived in Sicily. Her olive skin is indeed quite common aming many Sicilians. Whether it is entirely European or the result of Diversity during the Mohammaden invasions and occupation I leave to geneticists with more expertise than I have.
     
    She makes reference to having North African ancestry:

    Ariana also once twitted that she “just found out my grandparents are heavily greek and part north African”, and then specified “…the chart says Greece/Italy. I just thought it was funny. I’m assuming the North African bit is Moroccan or Tunisia?”

    Ariana’s reference to “the chart” makes it likely that she took some sort of DNA test to map out her potential heritage. DNA tests for people of Sicilian descent sometimes indicate some kind of Greek or North African ancestry.
     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/ariana-grande

    Replies: @BB753

    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @BB753


    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.
     
    Yeah, as I pointed out, she's also darker than her brother. I think that bronzer use has something to do with it.

    Replies: @BB753

  231. @Opinionator
    @Autochthon

    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    Why not? It entitles me to preferential treatment in violation of justice and decency, and thus some modicum of equality with others before the law in its currently perverted state.

    • Agree: Alden
  232. @Reg Cæsar
    @Detective Club


    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC.
     
    Sure that wasn't Boy George going incognegro?

    Replies: @Detective Club

    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the “Rihanna Look” – – – but without the annoying tattoos. If you’re a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don’t want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Detective Club

    Whores don't work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most "successful" are burned out inside, walking wrecks.

    Replies: @Autochthon

  233. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    That’s because he wasn’t an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK.

    That is nearly identical to a reply I got from a smug Upper West Sider (Manhattan, NYC) last June, concerning Omar Mateen, the massacrer of the Sodomite nightclub in Orlando:
    http://www.westsiderag.com/2016/06/12/moms-protest-gun-violence-outside-the-tony-awards#comment-327459

    You ARE aware that Mr. Trump’s bombastic threat to ‘bar people (i.e. Muslims) from terrorist-inclined countries’ would NOT have prevented the Orlando horror BECAUSE THE GUNMAN WAS A U.S. CITIZEN and had lived here his entire life !

    Only, unlike you, the respectable who wrote the above was not being sarcastic.

    Scroll-down to see my response, in which I linked-to our host.

  234. @biz
    @Opinionator

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jefferson, @Opinionator

    Eight to five you start sending enough of them to paradise and they get cold feet, for awhile. Long enough to kick them out, which ought to be the end goal.

  235. @NickG
    Time for an emergency facebook filter, to project the union flag onto buildings, light some candles, have some fluffy hashtags and do much ostentatious emoting.

    Meantime - let's change the UK school calendar to be sharia compliant, so the nice Muslims - and the remaining 95% of the population - don't have to sit exams during Ramadan.

    And time to carry on full speed with the The Great replacement and institute the frontlash against all those badthinkers who would be beastly to the Muslims.

    Replies: @Alden, @BB753

    Hasn’t the Union flag been declared racist and offensive.

  236. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn’t aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can’t just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @unpc downunder

    Sweden, Germany, and Belgium aren't really semi-Pacifist. All have participated in US-Zionist bombings/invasion of a major Muslim country (see Iraq, Syria, Libya) since the Iraq War.

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It's basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

    Replies: @syonredux

  237. The latest spin in posts by my liberal friends: it is an attack of patriarchal ideology on innocent young women, fighting for gender equality and freedom of sexuality expression.

    Cause, you know, Catholics, conservatives, islamists, they are all part of the same united front which just wants to attack the feminism.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @szopen

    I'm not surprised.

    What is unusual is that the feminazis admit the bomber and his co conspirators are Muslims. For a long time feminazi fantasy and falsehood theory claimed that Asian, Hindu, Muslim and primitive women were far more liberated and free that Christian European and American women.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  238. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    LOL 🙂
    But seriously, parodies aside, remember this meme?

    View post on imgur.com

  239. Of course, Enoch Powell predicted all this some 50 years ago.

    Tell me, do *any* other political speeches made in those distant, far off days actually describe to any degree of approximation the reality of today’s world?

  240. Anonymous [AKA "Mudpack"] says:
    @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    These statements (taken from their jihadi videos) from Tanweer and Khan were just part of their legends as MI5 informants. Anybody who thinks these men actually perpetrated the 2005 London Underground bombings is ignorant. The sentiments expressed in these statements are common to anti-Western jihadism. If the US would not invade the Middle East there would no longer be any rationale for these attacks.

  241. @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn't claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon....

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jefferson

    “Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon….”

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn’t Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it’s not cool to be White in 2017.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is "because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor, which is worth far more Pokémon points for alleged exoticism and oppression in any event."

    Replies: @Jefferson

  242. @Anon 2
    Manchester was the world's first industrialized city.
    Until only a few decades ago it was a great center of
    the textile industry (which later migrated to China, etc).
    For some strange reason, "Manchester, England" is
    also mentioned prominently in the 1967 hippie musical Hair.

    Events like this make me feel sorry for the whole Millennial
    generation. Time magazine IIRC several years ago had a story
    in which it referred to the Millennials as the screwed-up generation:
    9/11, invasion of Iraq, Katrina, Great Recession, depressed wages,
    low marriage rates, and these days terrorism. It wasn't that long
    ago that going to a concert was one of the most pleasurable carefree
    experiences one could have. I certainly relish my memories of going
    to see the Stones, Grateful Dead, Phish (not so much!),... Woodstock '69
    couldn't happen today. There would be too much fear. Even the careers
    of the Beatles or the Stones would probably not reach the stratospheric
    highs they did in this climate of fear. My generation in the U.S. enjoyed 28
    years, almost three decades, of relative peace from 1973 (end of the draft) to
    9/11/2001.

    Sorry if I'm focusing too much on the pleasures of concert going while
    people are still mourning their dead and wounded.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    From the 1967 musical “Hair”

    Manchester England England
    Across the Atlantic Sea
    And I’m a genius genius
    ……
    (sung by Claude Bukowski)

    In the original musical (but not the later movie),
    created by James Radomski (Rado) and Gerome Ragni,
    a Polish-American and an Italian-American, Claude Bukowski,
    in a fake English accent, says he’s “the most beautiful beast in
    the forest” from “Manchester, England.” A tribe member reminds
    him he’s really from Flushing, NY. It seems like there is some
    residual English snobbery at work here, which was stronger back
    in the ’60s. From the U.S. point of view England no longer appears
    very upscale. In fact, Manchester, being an industrial city, could never
    aspire to being an urban Garden of Eden, not even in someone’s
    LSD-fueled perfervid imagination back in the ’60s.

    By the way, since one of the creators of the musical was Polish, he gave
    one of the two main protagonists a Polish name, Bukowski

  243. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Art Deco


    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group
     
    Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Really? Full-blooded Jews are usually visually identifiable, particularly in ‘lily white’ countries. The Miliband brothers and Sacha Baron Cohen, for example, sure don’t look English.”

    You can say that about any Mediterranean group in comparison to lily White Northern Europeans. Antonio Banderas, Casey Casem, Cristiano Ronaldo, Jason Mantzoukas, and Nicholas Turturro sure don’t look English WASPs either.

  244. @unpc downunder
    @Opinionator

    That might explain some attacks, like 9/11 and the Bataclan bombing, but why the terrorist attacks in semi-pacifist Sweden, Germany, and Belgium. And why attack 12 year-old girls? I wasn't aware neoconservatism was so popular among female tweens.

    Lets face it, Muslim terrorists have a wide-ranging hatred of the West. It can't just be blamed on British, French and American foreign policy.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Sweden, Germany, and Belgium aren’t really semi-Pacifist. All have participated in US-Zionist bombings/invasion of a major Muslim country (see Iraq, Syria, Libya) since the Iraq War.

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It’s basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It’s basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.
     
    Bad manners to kill your host, dear fellow.....

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @Venator

  245. @Stealth
    @Jack D

    People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark. Think of Arturo Gatti. Oddly enough, their half northern European children can be surprisingly light. Most Euro-Americans with an Italian grandparent don't look it at all. An acquaitance of mine is half Italian, and the only giveaway that his red-haired son is part Italian is the coal colored eyes he inherited from his grandfather.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark.”

    In The Sopranos thread on Nordic Stormfront they think Big Pussy, Bobby, and Vito look like Mestizos, because they do not see White people who look like them within their WASP ethnicity. Since most people on Stormfront live in Flyover Country where there are barely any Italians, they are not familiar with the types of phenotypes that exist within the Mediterranean.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Jefferson

    I'm from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what's left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jefferson

  246. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Detective Club
    @Reg Cæsar

    She looked a damn sight better than Boy George ever did. I think she was working the "Rihanna Look" - - - but without the annoying tattoos. If you're a mid-level prostitute, trying to work your way up the whore-ladder in NYC, you don't want potential clients to even think about Boy George when they ask you for succor and solace.

    Come on now! Boy George never looked that good in raspberry-colored hair!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Whores don’t work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most “successful” are burned out inside, walking wrecks.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for bringing back "bag lady;" that is a term too long disused. I am hoing to make a point of uaing it myself as much as possible in coming weeks.

    My wife and I have a sort of game, as it were, wherein when driving about on errands we try to spot and point out bums. Sometimes it is easy: the guy on the costly bicycle wearing fancy gear is not a bum, but an amateur athlete, whereas the old man with skin like poorly tanned leather on a cheap BMX-style bike he probably stole from some kid's backyard is a winner.

    A lot of them are difficult, close cases.

    She's really impressed when I point out the hidden cities of bums that riddle California, like unto a fairy kingdom of gnomes who live among us but in a parallel, hidden world. The villages beneath bridges and overpasses, the hobo jungles alongside railroad tracks, the encampments in public parks. I especially enjoy the ones who establish their little bum-cities adjacent to the stone walls encircling the fancy-pants flats and neighbourhoods of McMansions. I've no doubt the assholes inhabiting these posh digs are oblivious to the very poverty and vice their selfish policies create. Hell, half of them probably volunteer for "social justice" on weekends when they aren't buying garbage made in overseas factories which the homeless druggies use to manufacture or working to increase immigration and decrease wages (which, of course, is in no way related to socioeconomic inequality...).

    Ah, the bag lady. Familiar creature of my childhood. What secrets do you hold in your magic sack, what lore fills your toothless head?

    Many people don't realise the Lairds of Sili Valley have percected teleportation. I oncce thought I'd never make the kind of money needed to visit exotic locales like Brasil and Cambodia. Yet here I am.

  247. @Jan
    The BBC was very quick to have s spokesman for Manchester's large Jewish community calling for tolerance and understanding after the atttack. British Jews do love their Muslims - except those in Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Jay Fink, @Gabriel M

    Jews – or at least people with some Jewish descent – are over represented among Britain’s cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as ‘As a Jew….’ which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it’s true that ‘British Jews love their Muslims’, it’s also true that ‘British people love their Muslims’, since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it’s worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who – in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    @Gabriel M

    I should add that the ultra-orthodox community, which now represents 50% of Jewish births in the UK, certainly does not 'love Muslims'. They don't really love anyone, but they love Muslims even less.

    Someone will say, 'but what about Neteuri Karta, don't they love Muslims?' Neteurei Karta is a youtube channel whose non Jewish followers outnumber Jews a million to one, at least. I happen to know an NK guy a bit (I'm tolerant you see). He doesn't see so well, because a Hassid stopped him in the street and sprayed deodorant in his eyes. In was once teaching in a ultra-orthodox school during one of the Gaza wars. We were supposed to teach about world affair for the benefit of OFSTED, so I asked the class what they thought should be done. The answers were .... not PC.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Gabriel M

    Isn't the top rabbi in England a fairly thoughtful center-rightist? I had a vague impression of that from a few years ago.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Jay Fink
    @Gabriel M

    Have Jews, whether Britsh or American, always been this pro-Islam? I don't recall this in decades past. Also, do Muslims love Jews back? I take it this is unrequited love.

  248. @mobi
    @Opinionator


    Tanweer said this ...

    And Khan said this...
     
    Remarkable how the the 'Tanweers' and 'Khans' of this world turn out to be, more often than not - former petty thieves, former petty drug dealers, former petty pimps, former failed rap artists, etc.

    Useless monkeys, basically. By embracing Jihad, in one magical, fell swoop, all former loserness is wiped away, and they rise from the bottom to the top, in their eyes. 'Glorious warriors for Allah', instead of worthless turds.

    They care about the fate of the Palestinians as much as they care about being present to raise their own kids, assuming they know about them.

    As for the high-minded rationalisations for their all-around primitive worthlessness, see - Sweden.

    We shouldn't be invading the world, and we shouldn't be inviting the world. In both cases, only and entirely for our own self-interest. There's no contradiction. It's practically the motto of this site.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lot

    Very good response to Opinionator’s endless Muslimist trolling.

  249. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Upcoming UK election summary:

    The three establishment parties.

    Labour Party – manifesto advocates no immigration control – this despite the last 15 years of UK politics, the rise of UKIP, brexit, successive Labour defeats and overturning of big Labour majorities due to the immigration issue.

    Liberal Party – likewise advocates no immigration control.

    Conservative Party – wishes to ‘cap’ immigration at 100,000 per annum, despite failing to meet this promise for 7 years. In actual fact, historically, 100,000 is quite an enormous figure.

    Needless to say The Economist magazine – which basically runs the British political class – is urging with all its might for the Tories to ‘drop’ their immigration limit and fall in with the other establishment parties.

    It’s as if Nigel Farage never even existed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Former UK chancellor, (finance minister), George Osborne, a pro-EU supporter, ejected from Theresa May's cabinet has left UK politics to become, amongst other things, editor of London's 'Evening Standard' newspaper.
    Osborne posted an editorial calling on Theresa May to drop the immigration control pledge saying that 'all cabinet ministers think it's nonsense'.

    Strange that Osborne campaigned on Tory manifestoes that included the self-same pledge, and indeed actually *authored* the manifesto that originally made the pledge.

    A dirty, bare-faced, two-faced, shameless liar in other words.
    Following the almighty Economist agenda.

  250. @biz
    @Opinionator

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jefferson, @Opinionator

    “They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard.”

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Jefferson

    Ah well that explains a lot!

  251. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @danindc
    It's bad, yes. But there was a white woman in Manassas, Virginia caught on tape saying the word "spic"

    Replies: @EriK, @Percy Gryce, @anonymous

    Now this is getting serious.

    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn’t slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured – many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    –Daily Mail UK

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    “But show business has always been like that - any kind of show business. If these people didn't live intense and rather disordered lives, if their emotions didn't ride them too hard—well, they wouldn't be able to catch those emotions in flight and imprint them on a few feet of celluloid or project them across the footlights.”

    ― Raymond Chandler, The Little Sister

    , @Autochthon
    @anonymous

    It's so adorable when one's nine-year-old daughter admires whorish antics, and so tragic when violence intrudes upon this innocent diversion.

  252. @Gabriel M
    @Jan

    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    Replies: @Gabriel M, @Steve Sailer, @Jay Fink

    I should add that the ultra-orthodox community, which now represents 50% of Jewish births in the UK, certainly does not ‘love Muslims’. They don’t really love anyone, but they love Muslims even less.

    Someone will say, ‘but what about Neteuri Karta, don’t they love Muslims?’ Neteurei Karta is a youtube channel whose non Jewish followers outnumber Jews a million to one, at least. I happen to know an NK guy a bit (I’m tolerant you see). He doesn’t see so well, because a Hassid stopped him in the street and sprayed deodorant in his eyes. In was once teaching in a ultra-orthodox school during one of the Gaza wars. We were supposed to teach about world affair for the benefit of OFSTED, so I asked the class what they thought should be done. The answers were …. not PC.

  253. **** **** ***

    start on the west coast of Ireland and stop at the Indian border

  254. @anonymous
    @danindc

    Now this is getting serious.


    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Autochthon

    “But show business has always been like that – any kind of show business. If these people didn’t live intense and rather disordered lives, if their emotions didn’t ride them too hard—well, they wouldn’t be able to catch those emotions in flight and imprint them on a few feet of celluloid or project them across the footlights.”

    ― Raymond Chandler, The Little Sister

    • Agree: Autochthon
  255. @Gabriel M
    @Jan

    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    Replies: @Gabriel M, @Steve Sailer, @Jay Fink

    Isn’t the top rabbi in England a fairly thoughtful center-rightist? I had a vague impression of that from a few years ago.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Steve Sailer

    You are thinking of the last Chief Rabbi , Lord Jonathan Sacks. The current Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis is more of a nonentity , though I would guess probably more sympathetic to the Right as he is more closely associated with Haredi/Ultra-Orthodox wing.

  256. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Upcoming UK election summary:

    The three establishment parties.

    Labour Party - manifesto advocates no immigration control - this despite the last 15 years of UK politics, the rise of UKIP, brexit, successive Labour defeats and overturning of big Labour majorities due to the immigration issue.

    Liberal Party - likewise advocates no immigration control.

    Conservative Party - wishes to 'cap' immigration at 100,000 per annum, despite failing to meet this promise for 7 years. In actual fact, historically, 100,000 is quite an enormous figure.

    Needless to say The Economist magazine - which basically runs the British political class - is urging with all its might for the Tories to 'drop' their immigration limit and fall in with the other establishment parties.

    It's as if Nigel Farage never even existed.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Former UK chancellor, (finance minister), George Osborne, a pro-EU supporter, ejected from Theresa May’s cabinet has left UK politics to become, amongst other things, editor of London’s ‘Evening Standard’ newspaper.
    Osborne posted an editorial calling on Theresa May to drop the immigration control pledge saying that ‘all cabinet ministers think it’s nonsense’.

    Strange that Osborne campaigned on Tory manifestoes that included the self-same pledge, and indeed actually *authored* the manifesto that originally made the pledge.

    A dirty, bare-faced, two-faced, shameless liar in other words.
    Following the almighty Economist agenda.

  257. @Alden
    @MW

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Replies: @Nico, @Hippopotamusdrome, @reiner Tor, @MW

    Wow, calm down.

    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

    They’re attending a concert with a singer who sings: “Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle”*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande – Side to Side – Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha – 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.

    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don’t even want to know what a wrist icicle is.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I googled both dick bicycle and wrist icicle, they both mean certain specific sexual acts, though wrist icicle could mean simply jewelry around one's wrist, but at least it's ambivalent, and the first voted answer on Urban Dictionary referred to the sexual meaning. I'd be surprised if at least some of the 10-year-old fans didn't google it, and then told the others what it meant. In other words, I'd be surprised if most fans didn't know what it meant. It's quite sick.

  258. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

    Replies: @Hail, @Corvinus

    Election, June 8th, 2017

    Aerage of Polls, Mid May 2016
    45% Conservatives
    33% Labor
    8% Lib Dem
    4% UKIP
    4% SNP
    2% Green
    4% Other

  259. @Karl
    @Bill B.

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    fixed it for you!

    Replies: @Bill B.

    105 Bill B > attempts to license Imams and teach an approved dogma resulted in fabulous success in Singapore

    Singapore is, certainly in these matters, an authoritarian state. It ensures that ethnic Chinese retain absolute racial dominance and works with adamantine will to maintain Muslims at relatively low numbers.

    It is absolutely understood that the Islamic tail will never be permitted to wag the Chinese dog and this stance receives the overwhelming support of the great majority of the population.

    Sansal is talking about the foolishness of thinking that Islam can be contained by regulations that will be policed by religious Muslims themselves.

    • Agree: NickG
  260. Arthur Koestler’s very un-PC account as to why the British in mandatory Palestine were pro-Arab.

  261. @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous


    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Expletive Deleted

    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.

    When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping

    Barbary pirates: Arabs attack us, our business.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to Jews.
    Barbary pirates: Not Arabs doing to other Arabs.

  262. @Anonymous
    @Jan

    Indeed.

    From Douglas Murray's new book The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam:


    'Wherever there was any criticism of her policy, either internally or externally, Roche dismissed it as racist. Indeed Roche -- who criticised colleagues for being too white -- insisted that even the mention of immigration policy was racist[14]. What she and a few others around her sought was a wholesale change of British society. Roche -- a descendant of East End Jews -- believed that immigration was only ever a good thing. Ten years after the changes she had brought about she told an interviewer with satisfaction, 'I love the diversity of London. I just feel comfortable.'
     

    For its 2000 report into migration the British government went to two of the academics most noted for their views in favour of mass immigration -- Sarah Spencer and Jonathan Portes -- to find justifications for the policies that politicians like Barbara Roche wanted to pursue
     
    What kind of name is Portes? you might ask.

    The book also claimed that Britain has always been 'a mongrel nation'. Here is Barbara Roche making the same claim in a talk in the East End of London in 2011: '[...] I've always believed that Britain is a country of migrants.'
     
    For more, see Iraqi-born Jewish Guardian columnist Rachel Shabi's Britain-is-a-nation-of-immigrants New York times opinion piece that was discussed here not long ago.

    Roche just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister


    Why are the British so reluctant to recognise our migration history?
    As immigration minister I visited the world’s migration museums and wondered why we had none. Finally we have one, and it couldn’t have come at a more important time
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    The last major immigration to England was Anglosaxon/Danish (same people, really) which had a surprisingly hard-to-detect impact outside of language, law and so on, a bit like the Normano-Breton-Flemings, who seem to have vanished without trace as a people. Maybe you could count the Celtic reflux of the 18th and 19th centuries (jocks, taffs and paddies to the Army, canals, railroads and mines) from their holdout areas as internal immigrants?
    Prior to that it was the Early Bronze Age, when the Ibero-Sardinian type farmers (the megalith dudes) who’d exterminated the local hunters were themselves more-or-less wiped out entirely by Beaker and then sub-Unetice tribes from the Rhine. Same place, same Beaker/Corded Ware background as the Saxons etc., hence the difficulty in disentangling the genetics, but likely undifferentiated indo-european-heading-towards-celtic/italic speakers
    And it hasn’t shifted hardly a whit since, in forty-four centuries. Neither in Britain nor Ireland.
    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

    tl;dr
    We’ve lived here a hell of a lot longer than any Jew has ever lived in Israel. And any Arab too, come to that. “Nation of immigrants” is a big fat … Lie.

  263. How to Put Skin in the Game of Suicide Bombers

    ….in the case of terrorism. You kill my family and think that you have impunity; I will make yours pay some price for it. Indirect responsibility isn’t part of the standard crime and punishment methodology of a civilized society, but confronting terrorists (who threaten innocents) isn’t standard either. For we have rarely in history confronted a situation in which the perpetrator of a crime has a completely asymmetric payoff, an upside from death while committing it.

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    Read the whole article by Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @NickG

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the "deluded person" here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @NickG



    How to Put Skin in the Game of Suicide Bombers

     

    Better title:
    How to Put Skin in the Game of Immigration Advocates
  264. @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous


    What Arabs and or Jews do to themselves or the other side outside of the US is none of America’s business.
     
    That wasn't true even during Jefferson's time. When the Barbary pirates attacked American shipping, Uncle Sam created the Department of the Navy:

    Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on 25 July 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria, and Dauphin a week later.[12] All four Barbary Coast states demanded $660,000 each. However, the envoys were given only an allocated budget of $40,000 to achieve peace.[13] Diplomatic talks to reach a reasonable sum for tribute or for the ransom of the captured sailors struggled to make any headway. The crews of Maria and Dauphin remained enslaved for over a decade, and soon were joined by crews of other ships captured by the Barbary States.[14]

    In 1795, Algeria came to an agreement that resulted in the release of 115 American sailors they held, at a cost of over $1 million. This amount totaled about one-sixth of the entire U.S. budget,[15] and was demanded as tribute by the Barbary States to prevent further piracy. The continuing demand for tribute ultimately led to the formation of the United States Department of the Navy, founded in 1798[16] to prevent further attacks upon American shipping and to end the demands for extremely large tributes from the Barbary States.
     
    The demands for American disarmament rest on the idea that world peace would come about if only Uncle Sam would stop meddling. Outside of unworldly thought bubbles, regimes act according to Thucydides's maxim: "The strong do as they can, while the weak suffer what they must".

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Expletive Deleted

  265. @Anonymous
    @EriK

    That was a pretty powerful blast (based on fatalities) to be homemade explosives. Some expert on Fox News was suggesting peroxide-based (TATP or HMTD) or liquid explosives. This doesn't seem like something a wannabe ISIS member and explosives tyro could make. But I'm no expert. Also, suicide bombers are never the bomb or explosives makers. I wouldn't be surprised if the explosive was nitrogenous and manufactured in the West/US. And came from material support of jihadis in Syria by the CIA.

    Here's a good, 43-page guide to explosives from U.S. Department of Homeland Security. https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-Explosives.pdf

    Replies: @Bugg, @EriK, @Peter Lund

    It wouldn’t be the first time Muslim terrorists used TATP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide#Use_in_improvised_explosive_devices

    It is not *that* hard to make.

  266. @Alden
    @MW

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Replies: @Nico, @Hippopotamusdrome, @reiner Tor, @MW

    As others have pointed out, the Arienne Grandes of the world are also part of the problem.

    Nobody said that the little girls “deserved to die”, but this woman is singing about how cool it is to be a slut. It’s definitely a problem that 8 or even 6-year-olds are attending her concerts. Of course, it’s the parents’ and not the children’s responsibility.

    I find it surprising that the majority of those answering the original comment didn’t get it and misrepresented it as an apology for the dumb Muslim terrorists.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    MW never heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. He just seized on the event to criticize all young girls as sluts. Muslims categorize all western women as sluts and whores even in the depths of a Scandinavian winter. MW's post agreed with the Muslim idea that all western women are sluts because they are not covered head to toe in burkas.

    I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut in the footage. Neither did MW. He just attacked those girls who were killed and wounded.

    MW and the rest of the geriatric fuddy dud dies aren't White Nationalists.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  267. Of course, in the UK the ‘Home Secretary’ is responsible for such as matters as national security, terrorist atrocities, policing, penal policy, law enforcement, criminal justice etc.
    The Labour Party candidate for Home Secretary is one Diane Abbott MP.

    Can anyone really, seriously, imagine Diane Abbott in the job?

  268. A’thon, That’s right! All that extra traffic that just has turned many of our big cities into un-navigable messes during “rush hourS” (used to be an hour, not it’s 7-11, and 3-7 in places) grew like mushrooms, or is like sunspots that change entirely on their own, unaffected by government policies and choices. It’s just “traffic” and it just happens. Nothing to do with immigration. Don’t look at ethnicities of drivers when your car is traveling 0 mph in a 65 mph zone! You might notice something! And that would be bigoted and better to die than have someone think you are a bigot.

    It’s either us, or it’s them. There ain’t gonna be no gd Coexist as the stupid brainwashed idiot liberal bumper sticker tells us. Start the deportations. Trump better get his head in the game and stop this nonsense about how we don’t like illegal immigrants oh but we are lovin us some legal immigrants b/c some new reason popped into his head since the election (can you say “Ivanka”). That is not what he said on the campaign trail, and not what we voted for. I didn’t vote for Ivanka and I’m getting sick of seeing her face in front the camera.

  269. MW says:
    @Alden
    @MW

    Yes, you are an old curmudgeon. I saw the same footage you did. I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut. Or are you referring to the girl with long blonde hair wearing
    a sleeveless white top?

    If you are an old curmudgeon perhaps you remember the tight sweaters of the 1950's abd the micro mini skirts of the 1960's?

    You think like an extremist Muslim, believing that girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    Go take your hatred of women and little girls somewhere else.

    Replies: @Nico, @Hippopotamusdrome, @reiner Tor, @MW

    > girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    That’s really not what I was trying to say. Of course they didn’t deserve to die.

    In every sub-culture I’m aware of that takes family formation seriously, the women dress modestly, and they take great pains to shield their children from hedonist entertainment. Maybe that’s a coincidence, and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don’t think so.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @MW




    "...and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don’t think so...."

     

    From The Telegraph:



    ‘I’ve never seen her wear anything but black,’ she says. ‘She says it’s a part of who she is.

    A psychic she saw when she was younger told her that black was her colour.

    So she really decided to run with that one, I guess!’

    Grande was raised a Catholic, but in adolescence began questioning her faith out of love and support for her brother, who is gay.

    ‘When my brother was told that God didn’t love him I was like, “OK, that’s not cool.”

    They were building a Kabbalah centre in Florida so we both checked it out and really had a connection with it.’

    The Kabbalah movement – Madonna is its most high-profile adherent – ‘sort of stuck with me.

    And since then my life has unfolded in a really beautiful way, and I think that it has a lot to do with the tools I’ve learnt through Kabbalah, I really do.’


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/11159510/Ariana-Grande-interview-Big-Sean-diva.html


     

    And, just in case if you have any additional doubts:


    http://ijr.com/2015/07/364509-laura-ingraham-has-quite-a-suggestion-for-how-us-should-respond-to-ariana-grandes-america-bashing/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Culture
  270. The circle jerk communal solidarity, candle waving, filter clicking responses to these events is turning it all into a bit if a hobby for the west. A rite of passage. Like a summer trip to some scummy touristic second world vacation spot. Why? Does it matter? That’s what we do now and we have the selfie to prove it. We cosy up and vigil together, feel smug about ourselves and our imaginary harmony, and pretend we’re arrayed in defiance of something. Anything. Makes a great Facebook post. Makes a great story. Its the travelling refujihadi circus, coming to a town near you. Get your presales while you still can.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Heretic

    There is a pile of pastel balloons, teddy bears, flowers and candles in one of the big squares of Manchester, along with the standard " we can not allow this tragic event to divide us" rhetoric from the politicians. Not divide us refers to the crime against PC by blaming Muslims and immigration policies for the bombing.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Heretic

    I saw a woman in the airport yesterday wearing a "Boston Strong: You Messed with the Wrong City" t-shirt.

    I thought about asking her what exactly Boston did to prove someone "Messed with the Wrong City". Other than wearing silly t-shirts I mean.

    Did numerous Southie tough guys wander around and find the various muzzie immivaders and throw them in a river?

    Did Boston and/or Massachusetts vote for Trump?

    Is whichever Congressbeing represents Boston loudly insisting that Chechens be deported and a program that grants asylum to people on the grounds they'd be persecuted back where they belong and then watches those people go to that place on vacation be shut down immediately?

    As far as I know, nobody did anything except brag about being "Boston Strong".

    But instead I went back to reading my book.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  271. @Jefferson
    @Autochthon

    "Uh huh. And Barry Dunham doesn’t claim any white ancestry.

    Heck, I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.

    Some people claim to be Napoleon…."

    We live in the era of Flight From White, so why wouldn't Ariana Grande claim Amerindian or Sub Saharan African ancestry to explain her swarthiness? Why would Ariana Grande want to claim to be White when it's not cool to be White in 2017.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is “because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor, which is worth far more Pokémon points for alleged exoticism and oppression in any event.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Autochthon

    "The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is “because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor,"

    She self identifies as Italian, she doesn't self identify herself as a Moor. Where is your evidence that she goes around calling herself a Moor?

    Replies: @Autochthon

  272. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Sorry, but Iraq, Libya, and Syria were relatively peaceful societies before the West

    That's a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @for-the-record, @Frau Katze

    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren’t.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim “guest workers” to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won’t help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.

    • Agree: Bill B.
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Frau Katze

    "Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal)."

    Spain and Portugal are Magic Dirt.

  273. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Alden

    Wow, calm down.



    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut.

     

    They're attending a concert with a singer who sings: "Wrist icicle, ride dick bicycle"*.
    Heres a concert with that song Ariana Grande - Side to Side - Dangerous Woman Tour Omaha - 2017 .
    Slut status: fact checked.


    The youngest wounded was only 6 years old.

     

    What kind of slut takes a 6 year old child along with them to see such a concert?

    * Is a dick bicycle similar to a cock carousel? Also, I don't even want to know what a wrist icicle is.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I googled both dick bicycle and wrist icicle, they both mean certain specific sexual acts, though wrist icicle could mean simply jewelry around one’s wrist, but at least it’s ambivalent, and the first voted answer on Urban Dictionary referred to the sexual meaning. I’d be surprised if at least some of the 10-year-old fans didn’t google it, and then told the others what it meant. In other words, I’d be surprised if most fans didn’t know what it meant. It’s quite sick.

  274. @Harry Baldwin
    @Dr. X

    Agree. And what's really pathetic is the tough talk we hear from European leaders after every atrocity. They sound really resolute, outraged, and determined. But, of course, stopping Muslim immigration is not open to consideration.

    I can't blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Dissident

    The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    I guess that just goes to show that as progressive and enlightened as the French are in so many respects, they, just like us here in the U.S., still couldn’t bring themselves to elect a woman as their leader. Alas, misogyny/sexism is still very much a force to be reckoned with– one we ignore at our own peril.

  275. @Opinionator
    Osama bin Laden, Letter to America (November 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    Since this was penned, how many more further aggressions have the United States and its allies committed against the Muslim world? (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria...)

    Replies: @biz, @Art Deco, @syonredux, @Tex, @Yngvar, @John Pepple, @David the Minion

    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.

    In other words, “we’d still be attacking you for your toleration of homosexuality, even if you stopped invading us.”

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @John Pepple

    Nope. Read the letter more closely. It is careful to distinguish between "why we are fighting you" and "what we are calling you to be." The part you have excerpted was not placed in the section detailing the reasons they have turned to violence against us.

  276. @Jefferson
    @biz

    "They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don’t know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don’t even try that hard."

    Opinionator is not a gullible Westerner or a Westerner period. He belongs to the Aladdin ethnicity.

    Replies: @biz

    Ah well that explains a lot!

  277. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Keep spinning boy. You have got to be one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across. You are so extreme it is likely you are under the influence of self-deception as well. If so, maybe that no longer counts as dishonesty, but another kind of pathology.

    Statements from the 2005 London bombers:

    Tanweer said this -


    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     
    And Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     

    Replies: @james wilson, @mobi, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Escher, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @John Pepple

    In 1979, Khomeini’s henchmen murdered lots of secular leftists, even though they hated Western interference in the Middle East as much as the Muslims did, and even though they had worked to expel the Shah just as much as Muslims had. The lesson was quite clear: “it doesn’t matter what you believe or even what you do, if you’re not a Muslim, we have the right to kill you.”

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @John Pepple

    "lots of secular leftists" is pretty vague.

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn't follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

    Replies: @John Pepple, @syonredux

  278. @Jim Don Bob
    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I'd never heard of her before.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Bill B.

    You must have missed it a couple years ago when she was licking doughnuts on a bakery case and talking about how she hated America.

  279. @anonymous
    @danindc

    Now this is getting serious.


    A suicide bomber launched a devastating attack at an Ariana Grande pop concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night, targeting youngsters leaving the event.

    And actress Salma Hayek revealed she was struggling to process the terrible news during a Q&A at the 70th annual Cannes Film Festival on Tuesday, confessing that she hadn't slept since hearing about the shocking incident, which has left 22 people dead and 59 injured - many of whom were children. The Hollywood star, 50, was moved to tears at the Kering Women in Motion Talk photocall, explaining that her daughter Valentina, nine, is a big Ariana fan and would have loved to have been at the concert.

    --Daily Mail UK
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Autochthon

    It’s so adorable when one’s nine-year-old daughter admires whorish antics, and so tragic when violence intrudes upon this innocent diversion.

    • Agree: MW
  280. @Jack D
    @mobi

    Many of the concertgoers were very young. I think one of the girls that died was 8. In addition, the age at which teens are allowed to roam freely or ride mass transit alone has risen because of safety concerns. Also this concert attracted fans from quite a distance so presumably many of the parents were there to drive their kids home since they were too young to drive themselves.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Expletive Deleted, @Brutusale

    Yes, society has come a long way since my 13-year old self and my 14-year old brother took the MBTA to the old Boston Garden to see Jethro Tull.

  281. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Churchill and Harry Truman went after soft targets.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Brutusale

    Re: Truman.

  282. @Anonymous
    @Detective Club

    Whores don't work up the ladder. The high end call girls are recruited and trained from surprisingly upscale backgrounds more often than not. The smart ones make a nest egg and quit before a trick goes bad and they get killed, severely beaten or they get AIDS.
    The less disciplined wind up becoming whorehouse or street hookers, selling dope, or just bag ladies.
    Make no mistake,they are all damaged people. Even the most "successful" are burned out inside, walking wrecks.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Thanks for bringing back “bag lady;” that is a term too long disused. I am hoing to make a point of uaing it myself as much as possible in coming weeks.

    My wife and I have a sort of game, as it were, wherein when driving about on errands we try to spot and point out bums. Sometimes it is easy: the guy on the costly bicycle wearing fancy gear is not a bum, but an amateur athlete, whereas the old man with skin like poorly tanned leather on a cheap BMX-style bike he probably stole from some kid’s backyard is a winner.

    A lot of them are difficult, close cases.

    She’s really impressed when I point out the hidden cities of bums that riddle California, like unto a fairy kingdom of gnomes who live among us but in a parallel, hidden world. The villages beneath bridges and overpasses, the hobo jungles alongside railroad tracks, the encampments in public parks. I especially enjoy the ones who establish their little bum-cities adjacent to the stone walls encircling the fancy-pants flats and neighbourhoods of McMansions. I’ve no doubt the assholes inhabiting these posh digs are oblivious to the very poverty and vice their selfish policies create. Hell, half of them probably volunteer for “social justice” on weekends when they aren’t buying garbage made in overseas factories which the homeless druggies use to manufacture or working to increase immigration and decrease wages (which, of course, is in no way related to socioeconomic inequality…).

    Ah, the bag lady. Familiar creature of my childhood. What secrets do you hold in your magic sack, what lore fills your toothless head?

    Many people don’t realise the Lairds of Sili Valley have percected teleportation. I oncce thought I’d never make the kind of money needed to visit exotic locales like Brasil and Cambodia. Yet here I am.

  283. @Alden
    @prosa123

    One of the dead is only 8 years old. The youngest wounded is only 6. The fan base is basically about 8 to 14.

    If I were a moderator I would ban MW forever. Those 12 and 13 year old "sluts" are our people, White European British girls. And they were murdered by a religious Puritan similar to MW.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    You really need to calm down.

    I’m no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of “riding a dick bicycle”, which is self-explanatory, and having a “wrist icicle”, which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren’t sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand…

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Brutusale

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, "LGBT rights activists" and "Sex-positive feminists". I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alden, @Alden

    , @anonymous
    @Brutusale

    John Derbyshire (pbuh) in 2002:


    Pop culture is filth. It is now completely degenerate. Why do you never hear anyone humming a current pop song any more? Because none of them is hummable, or even worth bothering to remember. What is the main topic on TV sitcoms and "dramedies"? You know what. Why do you stand in the aisle in Blockbuster muttering to yourself: "There isn't a single damn movie in here I want to watch"? Because Hollywood produces nothing but crap, crap, crap.
     
  284. After the Manchester terrorist attack committed by Muslims, it was only a matter of time before Muslims would start crying wolf and invent hate hoaxes.
    https://thetab.com/uk/manchester/2017/05/23/manchester-met-student-spat-today-racially-motivated-attack-28523

    Muslims assimilated into Black culture when it comes to culturally appropriating hate hoaxes. Muslims learned from Tawana Brawley.

  285. @Frau Katze
    @Art Deco

    Opinionator is an Islamist apologist. He seems unfamiliar with the Koran and the stated goal of Islam to take over the entire world.

    I am NOT one who thinks the interventions in the Middle East were a good idea. Clearly they weren't.

    But even without them, the die was cast when Europe permitted millions of Muslim "guest workers" to stay. This decision dates back to the 60s, 70s. Further millions were allowed in later for no good reason.

    Does Opinionator know that once Muslims take over a piece of land it is then part of Dar al Salam and must remain so?

    Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).

    No, Opinionator, pacificism won't help in the face of this military cult, built for one thing: expansion.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Every devout Muslim looks forward to reclaiming Andalusia (Spain and Portugal).”

    Spain and Portugal are Magic Dirt.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
  286. @Jim Don Bob
    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I'd never heard of her before.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Bill B.

    I had to look up Ariana Grande; I’d never heard of her before.

    Me too.

    What struck me after 20 seconds of film was how unutterably vapid a performer she is. But then that is par for the course, no?

    If she didn’t dress like a shrink-wrapped zucchini and sing endlessly about casual sex and freedom (I am extrapolating here a bit) she would have almost nothing.

  287. @Brutusale
    @Alden

    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...

    Replies: @Dissident, @anonymous

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by “Brutusale”, “reiner Tor”, “Hippopotamusdrome” and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW’s comment and defended it against Alden’s attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW’s specific characterization of the “young women” at the concert being “dressed as sluts”. But whether or not that specific portion of MW’s comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, “LGBT rights activists” and “Sex-positive feminists”. I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande’s primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden’s that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande’s songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable– from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Dissident

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screeches, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    I was going to ask Alden whether he considers this individual who, according to Wikipedia is an "LGBT rights activist" and "Sex-positive feminist" to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @Dissident

    Never heard of Adrianna Grande until Monday night. I'm a White Nationalist, not some geriatric fuddy duddy more concerned with vulgar popular culture than the real problems faced by Whites.

    Those problems are affirmative action, non White immigration, the business community that brings in the non White immigrants and black and Hispanic crime in that order.

    Go on fussing about sleeveless tops and watch your grandchildren become untouchables banned from employment because they are White. You fuddy duddy National Review conservatives seem to watch an awful lot of gay and promiscuous TV shows for people who disapprove of those gay and sexual TV shows.

    And this obsession with the clothes of 11 year olds is indicative of perversion.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @Alden
    @Dissident

    My interest is keeping the comments focused on the bombing, not justifying the bombing and deaths because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. Read the " girls deserved it because they are sluts" comments. They read like what the defense will use in the trials of the co conspirators. It will go something like this: the slutty dress of the victims was so offensive against Muslim modesty that the defendants had to kill them to force British women to dress according to strict Islamic standards.

    All I see when I read the fuddy duddy comments is that the girls deserved to die because of their clothes and because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. You all remind me of the German and Swedish feminazis who wear head scarves to show solidarity with Muslims immigrants.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

  288. @reiner Tor
    The real victims are the millions of Muslims now living in fear of a backlash.

    We must not let hate triumph. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that would be worse.

    If we start killing terrorists and expelling communities which breed terrorists, the terrorists would win. If they manage to reduce us to dhimmitude, we'll win.

    So in order to win, we need to lose.

    OT

    Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.

    Replies: @John Gruskos, @Corvinus

    “Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue.”

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros’ liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Corvinus


    Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?
     
    That could well be the case.
    , @Brutusale
    @Corvinus

    If Orban decided to dynamite Sauron U tomorrow, what could Trump do? Protest most vociferously?

    Viktor walks the walk. So far, Trump has been mincing.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  289. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.

    Replies: @Hail, @Corvinus

    “The clock ticks on Proposition Nationhood.”

    The only thing ticking is your lack of a recent post on your site. Dude, quit chasing ambulances and offer up your trenchant analysis on Orthodox Christianity and its future in the new America after it is broken up into several regions.

  290. @Opinionator
    @Autochthon

    I claim Negro ancestry every time I fill out a form.


    Really? Why?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    Under Race, I put “American”.

  291. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Jack D
    @Charles Pewitt


    The #Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, was a Libyan refugee born in 1994 in the city.
     
    If he was born in Manchester then he wasn't a refugee. His PARENTS were refugees (not really because the father apparently went back and forth to Tripoli - so much for "fear of persecution"). But it seems like he didn't assimilate into British culture at all. That's the real problem. Refugees are a 1 generation thing but if their kids and grandkids won't assimilate then they are a 5th column and must be treated as such.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @anonymous

    His father sounds like a good bloke.

    Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb

    Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.

    Today, he denied his son is linked to militants or the suicide bombing.

    Ramadan Abedi says he spoke to his 22-year-old son, Salman Abedi, five days ago and he was getting ready to visit Saudi Arabia and sounded “normal.”He said that his son visited Libya a month-and-a -half ago.The elder Abedi told The Associated Press by telephone from Tripoli: “We don’t believe in killing innocents. This is not us.”

    He said his other son, Ismail, was arrested in England on Tuesday morning. He said Salman was planning to head from Saudi Arabia to Libya to spend the holy month of Ramadan with family.
    Abedi fled Tripoli in 1993 after Moammar Gadhafi‘s security authorities issued an arrest warrant and eventually sought political asylum in Britain. Now, he is the administrative manager of the Central Security force in Tripoli.

    Sources also said the bomber’s mother had raised concerns about her son’s radical views before she herself left for Libya. –Daily Mail UK

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anonymous

    The father's been arrested as well. Manchester police just announced they have evidence there is a sophisticated terrorist network in Manchester.

  292. @Cagey Beast
    @Harry Baldwin

    I can’t blame the leaders, though. The people keep electing them. The French could have had Le Pen and they chose not to.

    The stupid thing the Front National did was to figure out how to make a vote for Marine Le Pen a vote for even greater insecurity, even though she was the law & order candidate. They did that by promising to take France out of the EU and the euro. They later softened those positions by promising consultations and referenda but the damage was done. It's hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country's entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s hard to think of a better way to alienate older, socially conservative, middle class voters than to endanger their savings and their country’s entire free trade superstructure. Lots of friends of the FN warned them not to but they chose to harden rather than sugar coat that stuff years ago.

    Leaving the EU would do neither. Unless their consumption bundle was chock-a-bloc with imported merchandise, a devaluation derived from replacing the Euro would have only modest effects on their real income. (The ratio of imports to GDP is about 0.15). The EU’s external tariffs are small and other countries have vigorous trade with EU members without belonging to the EU (the United States, Canada, Israel, and Norway to name several).

  293. @Corvinus
    @reiner Tor

    "Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue."

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros' liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Brutusale

    Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    That could well be the case.

  294. @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Powell was fixated on Caribbean immigrants, who are not a contextually large population,
     
    Large enough to cause trouble.....

    do not hail from populous source countries,
     
    Like Puerto Ricans......

    are English-speaking and culturally kindred off the boat,
     
    Certainly not racially kindred....

    and generate only nuisance problems when looked at collectively.
     
    Not if you live near them.....

    His predictions proved to be nonsense.
     
    That immigration by non-Europeans is a bad thing? Seems to me that he's vindicated every day....

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb ‘refugees’. This was the nut of his complaint:

    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn’t last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: “I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan’t be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years’ time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?

    No, Britain isn’t run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are ‘immigrants’, Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Actually, in later speeches, made in the 1970s, Powell did identify subcontinental Indians as the chief threat to the UK.
    'It is in the eyes of those who hail from Asia' said Powell 'will the native Englishman will have to fight for the possession of his ancestral land'.

    , @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco

    Enoch Powell was strongly opposed to immigration, because he understood it entails huge risks and enormous costs for very little (if any) benefits. That perhaps the most important negative effects came a little later than he predicted (perhaps for dramatic effect), and that the most problematic minority currently seems to be Muslims and not Caribbean blacks, is not a huge criticism.

    Your criticism of Enoch Powell is similar to leftist talking points about whether Salman Abedi* really was an immigrant or not.

    -----

    *Google doesn't auto-fill it. Why? Normally it auto-fills any day-old news.

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb ‘refugees’. This was the nut of his complaint:
     
    Dear fellow, I rather doubt that Mr Powell would have approved of hordes of Muslims invading the UK. Don't be autistic.....

    No, Britain isn’t run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts.
     
    No, it's just that the Black population in the UK are a tad dysfunctional....

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom


    As Mr Powell said, "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. "

  295. @for-the-record
    @Art Deco

    That’s a fantasy. I do not know how you came by it, but it was not through any kind of historical study.

    Yes, you're right it's from Alice in Wonderland, sorry no it's from Diana Darke, Syria (Bradt Travel Guide), 2010, p. 40:


    Contrary to its image, Syria is probably one of the safest countries in the world. Violent or petty crime towards foreigners is virtually non-existent, and at the time of writing no foreigner had ever been the target of violence. Such violence as does exist is usually in the context of a family feud where honour is implicated and retaliation is considered necessary to safeguard the family reputation. To steal something from a foreigner would be regarded as shameful and against the principle of hospitality to the guest. That said, there have been occasional cases of pickpocketing and passport theft in the Damascus and Aleppo souks, though visiting Russians renewing their Turkish visas are the prime suspects rather than local people.
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?

    Again, the country has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past and hasn’t had a passably functioning civil society since 1963. Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?
     
    For-the-record was quite reasonable here - if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past
     
    Three decades before the start of the present civil war. Which was still relatively minor until perhaps 2013.

    Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.
     
    That's a lie. Foreign powers helped organize the opposition into armed rebel groups, kept supplying them weapons and ammunition, until the whole of the country went up in flames. Syrians are perhaps really horrible people, but they were kept under a firm and strong hand until a combination of growing discontent (in part due to a bad harvest), some political errors by the government, and foreign interference made it possible for it to explode.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Opinionator

  296. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Brutusale
    @Alden

    You really need to calm down.

    I'm no hater of little girls, or of women for that matter, but I seriously question the judgment of a woman who takes a prepubescent child to a show where the singer brags of "riding a dick bicycle", which is self-explanatory, and having a "wrist icicle", which is youthful slang for the semen dripping of your wrist after giving a handjob.

    These poor little girls weren't sluts. Their mums who brought them to see this show, on the other hand...

    Replies: @Dissident, @anonymous

    John Derbyshire (pbuh) in 2002:

    Pop culture is filth. It is now completely degenerate. Why do you never hear anyone humming a current pop song any more? Because none of them is hummable, or even worth bothering to remember. What is the main topic on TV sitcoms and “dramedies”? You know what. Why do you stand in the aisle in Blockbuster muttering to yourself: “There isn’t a single damn movie in here I want to watch”? Because Hollywood produces nothing but crap, crap, crap.

  297. @Svigor

    British Jewry is much more a religious confession (predominantly orthodox) than an ethnic group and it’s bizarre to divine the views of ‘British Jewry’ from someone notable for being on a BBC rolodex.
     
    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). Probably owing to their shy, retiring, unassertive, politically inactive natures.

    Replies: @Alden, @Art Deco

    Yes, Jews are famously misrepresented in (((Big Media))). P

    There are about 300,000 Jews in Britain, a country which has 63 million inhabitants. No, they don’t own the BBC. Academic and media culture in Britain is hostile to Jews by default.

  298. @Jack Hanson
    I guess we will see if the British think getting an authentic curry is more important than their 8 year old daughters getting blown up on a night out.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Britain never adopted the Euro. The frictional costs of leaving the EU would be a great deal higher if they had.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Thank god it never.

    A very, very, rare act of ministerial competence from the John Major government. Actually it was forced him by euro sceptic Tory MPs.
    The remainaics in Britain never but never cease whining about brexit, and one all to familiar whine is that brexit will 'wreck the economy', to quote The Economist magazine.

    Actually, the UK has never ever met the so called Maastricht criteria of debt levels and public spending. If it had, it would have meant massive deflation, unemployment and stagnation rather like we see in Italy.

  299. What the response to this incident does, as the response to all similar incidents has done, is reinforce the uncomfortable fact that elites rule the world. If you want a change of response, you need to either change elites or elites need to change.

    This is more than a pithy comment-we can all say it, and we can all cynically think it when something doesnt go our way. But it has been reinforced to me more and more in the modern era: elites rule the world.

    What this means is that non-elites don’t. I think our mental construct of the world is that elites have some power (i.e. elite media folks, elite politicians, the rich, celebrities, etc), but that power is counteracted by the power of the people; we vote the way we want, and sometimes it is in agrement with elites, sometimes it isn’t. There is an ongoing battle between elites who want more than the masses, and the masses themselves. The whole idea of a political ‘pendulum’ reinforces this view. So does the concept of a ‘silent majority,’ (which dates from the Nixonian early 1970’s), the idea of a relatively stable (and slightly conservative) ‘middle class,’ the sense that parties trade power and thus influence on society, and therefore the real values of the masses, though filtered and somewhat muted, eventually bubble up and guide society.

    [MORE]

    This is pretty clearly not true. For my entire life, opinion polls have wanted to limit illegal immigration. For my entire life, opinion polls of the American populace have rejected affirmative action. And so on. There is no muted give and take between the conservative middle class and the progressive big city edgy elites. What the elites want, they get. Conservatives don’t win judicial decisions, because judges and legal scholars aren’t conservative. They don’t win social issues because social elites aren’t conservative. Elites may not get it exactly when they want, but they get it.

    This why during ‘liberal’ (i.e. Democratic) phases or administrations, liberal progress is made. Yet during ‘conservative’ (i.e. Republican) phases or administrations, conservative progress is not made. The system allows progress and resistance to progress when its participants (those elites) want it. They want progressivism, so with political power, progressivism advances. They don’t want conservativism, so without political power, they can gum up the works enough to resist conservative advances.

    If you internalize this (‘elites always win’) and really accept it (and as I said-not just as a pithy phrase you tell yourself after an election doesn’t go your way-genuinely accept and understand that this is how the world works), you will understand how the world works much better.

    What will change after the Manchester bombings? You know what will change; when the Independent says that the most important thing to do is go on as if nothing happened, the world will go on as if nothing happened. When the elites start to say something is going to change, why, it will change.

    joeyjoejoe

    note: this is true until a world historical event occurs: a Civil War in the United States during which the revolting power wins, a French Revolution style event, a transformation of a national government on the scale of Hitler’s rise to power. Note that these types of events always involve a great deal of violence.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @joeyjoejoe

    What the response to this incident does, as the response to all similar incidents has done, is reinforce the uncomfortable fact that elites rule the world. If you want a change of response, you need to either change elites or elites need to change.

    If true, this phenomenon would appear to caution against the importation of high-skilled labor and very wealthy people.

  300. @Detective Club
    @Art Deco

    British West Indian immigrants don't engage in crime for religious reasons - - - only simply for monetary gain. Walk through the Hackney or Brixton districts of London, if you dare, these were once poor White areas, where there used to be some measure of crime. Now it's mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.
    https://youtu.be/e6X26j9v13A
    I met a young 6-ft. Black woman with raspberry-colored hair in high heels from Hackney today in NYC. She admitted to over-staying her tourist visa. "The rents in the funky parts of London are still relatively cheap but my life is worth a price that is much more dear to me, personally," she said. Not all Blacks are stupid.

    Yes, she appeared to have chosen a new American life as a medium-level prostitute and no, I wasn't a prospective customer, hoping to sample her wares. Most Americans still consider the Limey or Cockney accent sexy. Me, every time I hear that accent, I cringe. The English seem to enjoy throwing their country down the drain. To my ears, the English accent is the horrible screech of imbeciles.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They’re also not endogamous.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much.
     
    So, let's have more violent crime in Britain. By the way violent crime is definitely on the rise there, to a large degree as a result of Black African/Caribbean presence. You know, with all the leaps in technology, police and detective work should be much easier, so crime should be down. That it's increasing is a sure sign something is wrong.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that.
     
    Dunno. Blacks crime rates in the UK are, shall we say, disproportionate....

    The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it "impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men".[11]
     

    In June 2007 the Home Affairs Select Committee published a report on young black people and the criminal justice system of England and Wales. It said that young black people were over-represented at all stages of the criminal justice system.[12] The Commission for Racial Equality and youth charities welcomed the report.[13][14]
    Ministry of Justice figures regarding race and the criminal justice system in 2009/10 are shown in the table below.[15]

    White Black Asian Mixed Chinese or other Not stated/unknown
    Population aged 10 and over (2009) 88.6% 2.7% 5.6% 1.4% 1.6% 0.0%
    Stops and searches under Police and Criminal Evidence Act 67.2% 14.6% 9.6% 3.0% 1.2% 4.4%
    Arrests 2009/10 79.6% 8.0% 5.6% 2.9% 1.5% 2.4%
    Prison population (including foreign nationals) 72.0% 13.7% 7.1% 3.5% 1.4% 2.2%
     

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    So we're supposed to take the violent crime statistics as Gospel when they come from the same organizations that basically ignored the assault and rape of thousands of young girls over the past 15 years?

    Uh, OK.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  301. @Dissident
    @Brutusale

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, "LGBT rights activists" and "Sex-positive feminists". I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alden, @Alden

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by “Brutusale”, “reiner Tor”, “Hippopotamusdrome” and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW’s comment and defended it against Alden’s attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screeches, Alden harps on MW’s specific characterization of the “young women” at the concert being “dressed as sluts”. But whether or not that specific portion of MW’s comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    I was going to ask Alden whether he considers this individual who, according to Wikipedia is an “LGBT rights activist” and “Sex-positive feminist” to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande’s primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden’s that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande’s songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable– from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Dissident

    The issue is the murder of 22 and injury of 119 fellow White Europeans, not your opinion of some porn singer none of us ever heard of until Monday night.

  302. @Art Deco
    @Detective Club

    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They're also not endogamous.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much.

    So, let’s have more violent crime in Britain. By the way violent crime is definitely on the rise there, to a large degree as a result of Black African/Caribbean presence. You know, with all the leaps in technology, police and detective work should be much easier, so crime should be down. That it’s increasing is a sure sign something is wrong.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    There are more street robberies per capita in England than in America.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  303. @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb 'refugees'. This was the nut of his complaint:


    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?



    No, Britain isn't run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are 'immigrants', Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @syonredux

    Actually, in later speeches, made in the 1970s, Powell did identify subcontinental Indians as the chief threat to the UK.
    ‘It is in the eyes of those who hail from Asia’ said Powell ‘will the native Englishman will have to fight for the possession of his ancestral land’.

  304. @Jefferson
    @Stealth

    "People of pure southern Italian descent can be pretty dark."

    In The Sopranos thread on Nordic Stormfront they think Big Pussy, Bobby, and Vito look like Mestizos, because they do not see White people who look like them within their WASP ethnicity. Since most people on Stormfront live in Flyover Country where there are barely any Italians, they are not familiar with the types of phenotypes that exist within the Mediterranean.

    Replies: @Stealth

    I’m from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what’s left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Stealth

    Taliaferro along one of the Virginia rivers in the 1600s. Florentine origins. The internet says its Tolliver now.

    , @Jefferson
    @Stealth

    "I’m from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what’s left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion."

    Let me guess, New Orleans?

    Replies: @Stealth

  305. @John Pepple
    @Opinionator


    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

     

    In other words, "we'd still be attacking you for your toleration of homosexuality, even if you stopped invading us."

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Nope. Read the letter more closely. It is careful to distinguish between “why we are fighting you” and “what we are calling you to be.” The part you have excerpted was not placed in the section detailing the reasons they have turned to violence against us.

  306. @Art Deco
    @for-the-record

    Now you're changing the subject to street crime?


    Again, the country has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past and hasn't had a passably functioning civil society since 1963. Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?

    For-the-record was quite reasonable here – if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past

    Three decades before the start of the present civil war. Which was still relatively minor until perhaps 2013.

    Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.

    That’s a lie. Foreign powers helped organize the opposition into armed rebel groups, kept supplying them weapons and ammunition, until the whole of the country went up in flames. Syrians are perhaps really horrible people, but they were kept under a firm and strong hand until a combination of growing discontent (in part due to a bad harvest), some political errors by the government, and foreign interference made it possible for it to explode.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @reiner Tor

    For-the-record was quite reasonable here – if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    No, he isn't. He's moving to a different square on the board. Syria's suffered severe political pathology for over 50 years. Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades, or periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities (death toll in Hama somewhere between 12,000 and 38,000 depending on source consulted), or decades-long occupations of neighboring states. The history of Syria over the period running from 1963 to 2011 was a history of grisly failure, and he's yapping on and on as if it's Hong Kong we're talking about. Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that's anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @Opinionator
    @reiner Tor

    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands and whether Muslims are responding to those aggressions. Even if there were "internal conflicts" (and what countries anywhere are without them?), it wouldn't eliminate the basic cause-and-effect phenomenon that foreign invasion usually provokes violent resistance.

    Replies: @HEL

  307. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    Britain never adopted the Euro. The frictional costs of leaving the EU would be a great deal higher if they had.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank god it never.

    A very, very, rare act of ministerial competence from the John Major government. Actually it was forced him by euro sceptic Tory MPs.
    The remainaics in Britain never but never cease whining about brexit, and one all to familiar whine is that brexit will ‘wreck the economy’, to quote The Economist magazine.

    Actually, the UK has never ever met the so called Maastricht criteria of debt levels and public spending. If it had, it would have meant massive deflation, unemployment and stagnation rather like we see in Italy.

  308. @John Pepple
    @Opinionator

    In 1979, Khomeini's henchmen murdered lots of secular leftists, even though they hated Western interference in the Middle East as much as the Muslims did, and even though they had worked to expel the Shah just as much as Muslims had. The lesson was quite clear: "it doesn't matter what you believe or even what you do, if you're not a Muslim, we have the right to kill you."

    Replies: @Opinionator

    “lots of secular leftists” is pretty vague.

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn’t follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @Opinionator

    At the time the Shah left, it wasn’t a “Muslim” country, at least not in the sense that it was ruled by conservative Muslims the way it is now. I expected it to become socialist, because that’s what happened in lots of other places when the rulers who were backed by Americans were overthrown. Instead, a theocracy emerged.

    As for the numbers, Nick Cohen on page 118 of his book Waiting for the Etonians declares, “The Islamists murdered tens of thousands of leftists, perhaps up to 100,000, after the 1979 Iranian Revolution.” I don’t know what he’s basing that on, but I do know that the left there was basically destroyed, that communists fled to Moscow, etc. It was a total disaster for the Iranian left.

    Finally, I have no idea what you mean by “It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely.” Did you read what I said? I said that these leftists themselves didn’t like Western (specifically, American) meddling. They were murdered nonetheless.

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn’t follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?
     
    I'm game....So long as we also expel all Muslims from Western countries.
  309. @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb 'refugees'. This was the nut of his complaint:


    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?



    No, Britain isn't run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are 'immigrants', Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @syonredux

    Enoch Powell was strongly opposed to immigration, because he understood it entails huge risks and enormous costs for very little (if any) benefits. That perhaps the most important negative effects came a little later than he predicted (perhaps for dramatic effect), and that the most problematic minority currently seems to be Muslims and not Caribbean blacks, is not a huge criticism.

    Your criticism of Enoch Powell is similar to leftist talking points about whether Salman Abedi* really was an immigrant or not.

    —–

    *Google doesn’t auto-fill it. Why? Normally it auto-fills any day-old news.

    • Agree: Alden, syonredux
  310. There are about 300,000 Jews in Britain, a country which has 63 million inhabitants. No, they don’t own the BBC.

    You sound as if you’re responding to someone with that. Who?

  311. @Steve Sailer
    @Gabriel M

    Isn't the top rabbi in England a fairly thoughtful center-rightist? I had a vague impression of that from a few years ago.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    You are thinking of the last Chief Rabbi , Lord Jonathan Sacks. The current Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis is more of a nonentity , though I would guess probably more sympathetic to the Right as he is more closely associated with Haredi/Ultra-Orthodox wing.

  312. @biz
    @Opinionator

    They are not motivated by fighting injustice. That is just what they occasionally lazily throw out to influence the few gullible Westerners who actually don't know better (e.g. you, apparently). But they don't even try that hard.

    What they are motivated by is an eternity for their souls in paradise which is what their religion teaches them awaits such martyrs - that is what can motivate somebody to give up Earthly riches and indeed their life, and that is what they explicitly say in their martyrdom videos, and in outlets like ISIS's Dabiq magazine. Check it out sometime, you might learn something.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jefferson, @Opinionator

    You are fumbling around with Occam’s Butterknife.

    Occam’s Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    You are fumbling around with Occam’s Butterknife.

    Occam’s Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.
     
    Not if the men in question are Westerners.........After all, look how we are allowing our lands to be invaded, our women to be raped.....
  313. @Jim Don Bob
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Reg Cæsar, @aceofspades, @Alden

    This just in: most of the dead are under 16. Fuddy duddies like MW and others will rejoice that some White British girls are dead because of their slutty clothes.

    The Queen and Prince Phillip observed just one minute of silence. The other royals said nothing.

    I wonder if any royals will attend memorial services, probably not as that would show bias in favor of the indigenous British.

  314. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much.
     
    So, let's have more violent crime in Britain. By the way violent crime is definitely on the rise there, to a large degree as a result of Black African/Caribbean presence. You know, with all the leaps in technology, police and detective work should be much easier, so crime should be down. That it's increasing is a sure sign something is wrong.

    Replies: @Alden

    There are more street robberies per capita in England than in America.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    Thanks, that greatly strengthens my point.

  315. @reiner Tor
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's because he wasn't an immigrant, you ignoramus. He was a Briton, born and brought up in the UK. I hope you will be arrested for your hate speech soon enough.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Expletive Deleted, @Stealth, @Jefferson, @Dissident, @szopen, @MikeTheMick

    Having a UK passport does not make you a Briton.

  316. @Dissident
    @Brutusale

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, "LGBT rights activists" and "Sex-positive feminists". I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alden, @Alden

    Never heard of Adrianna Grande until Monday night. I’m a White Nationalist, not some geriatric fuddy duddy more concerned with vulgar popular culture than the real problems faced by Whites.

    Those problems are affirmative action, non White immigration, the business community that brings in the non White immigrants and black and Hispanic crime in that order.

    Go on fussing about sleeveless tops and watch your grandchildren become untouchables banned from employment because they are White. You fuddy duddy National Review conservatives seem to watch an awful lot of gay and promiscuous TV shows for people who disapprove of those gay and sexual TV shows.

    And this obsession with the clothes of 11 year olds is indicative of perversion.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    You are quite wrong if you don't understand how the toxic culture (which teaches 8-year-olds to ride the dick bicycle and to have wrist icicles) is contributing to all the other problems. Hollywood and the rest of the filthy "entertainment" industry are deliberately poisoning us.

    You don't need to be super-conservative to understand that explicitly sexual content should be reserved for adults only, that's been the rule throughout the West since the late Roman Empire, and it's for good reasons that it's always been like this. I don't wish a return of Victorian mores, but it's easy to understand that they were superior than what we have now. Low fertility and sexual hedonism are not sustainable, and they are sold to us to weaken us, so that we won't resist demographic replacement.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

  317. @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    As others have pointed out, the Arienne Grandes of the world are also part of the problem.

    Nobody said that the little girls "deserved to die", but this woman is singing about how cool it is to be a slut. It's definitely a problem that 8 or even 6-year-olds are attending her concerts. Of course, it's the parents' and not the children's responsibility.

    I find it surprising that the majority of those answering the original comment didn't get it and misrepresented it as an apology for the dumb Muslim terrorists.

    Replies: @Alden

    MW never heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. He just seized on the event to criticize all young girls as sluts. Muslims categorize all western women as sluts and whores even in the depths of a Scandinavian winter. MW’s post agreed with the Muslim idea that all western women are sluts because they are not covered head to toe in burkas.

    I didn’t see anyone dressed as a slut in the footage. Neither did MW. He just attacked those girls who were killed and wounded.

    MW and the rest of the geriatric fuddy dud dies aren’t White Nationalists.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    I never heard of her either, just googled her now.

    But MW never said the girls "deserved to die", never "rejoiced that they were dead", that's pure fantasy.

    He said that the girls were already poisoned with a deadly toxic culture. He was proved right: Ariana Grande really is toxic. She really is singing about being a whore, quite explicitly about f...ing and other sexual acts. It's horrible that prepubescent girls are attending her concerts.

    I fail to see how that's misogyny. And it's horrible that the parents took their daughters to this event.

    Accusing people who are horrified by the present slut-culture sold to our prepubescent girls of being "like Muslims" is a well-known leftist slur. I have heard it several times how "Christian fundamentalists are really the same as Muslim fundamentalists". No, they are not.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

  318. @Dissident
    @Brutusale

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screechings, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    According to Reg Cæsar, the categories that Wikipedia places Ms. Grande into include, "LGBT rights activists" and "Sex-positive feminists". I was going to ask Alden whether he (is it he?) considers someone with such credentials to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Dissident, @Alden, @Alden

    My interest is keeping the comments focused on the bombing, not justifying the bombing and deaths because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. Read the ” girls deserved it because they are sluts” comments. They read like what the defense will use in the trials of the co conspirators. It will go something like this: the slutty dress of the victims was so offensive against Muslim modesty that the defendants had to kill them to force British women to dress according to strict Islamic standards.

    All I see when I read the fuddy duddy comments is that the girls deserved to die because of their clothes and because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. You all remind me of the German and Swedish feminazis who wear head scarves to show solidarity with Muslims immigrants.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    Read the ” girls deserved it because they are sluts” comments.
     
    Where are they? Can you provide some links?
    , @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    Read the ” girls deserved it because they are sluts” comments.
     
    Where are they? Can you provide some links?
  319. The immediate aftermath of this bombing has been strange. Very few pictures of the crime scene, or the killer once he was known were popping up on social media. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some sort of suppression happening.

    It also took a long time for the actual victims to be identified… they were just missing. I think the blast must have vaporized them.

  320. considering muslim terrorism all over the world alone the antiracist position is actually right. Although the percentage of terroris among muslims is much, much higher than amongst Buddhists, Christians, Jews and Hindus the percentage among muslim is still extremely low. So it would be wrong to blame muslims in general for terrorism. The problem is the combination of muslim mass migration to non-muslim countries, rising share of muslims in non-muslim countries all over the world, increasing pressure on non-muslims in muslim countries and theological inspired muslim wars all over the world (West Africa, East Asia, Near East, South East Asia, Russia, etc. etc.). It is the time that the non-muslim world unites to stop muslim expansion. China, India, Europe, America are non-muslim territories and it should stay this way.

  321. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    MW never heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. He just seized on the event to criticize all young girls as sluts. Muslims categorize all western women as sluts and whores even in the depths of a Scandinavian winter. MW's post agreed with the Muslim idea that all western women are sluts because they are not covered head to toe in burkas.

    I didn't see anyone dressed as a slut in the footage. Neither did MW. He just attacked those girls who were killed and wounded.

    MW and the rest of the geriatric fuddy dud dies aren't White Nationalists.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I never heard of her either, just googled her now.

    But MW never said the girls “deserved to die”, never “rejoiced that they were dead”, that’s pure fantasy.

    He said that the girls were already poisoned with a deadly toxic culture. He was proved right: Ariana Grande really is toxic. She really is singing about being a whore, quite explicitly about f…ing and other sexual acts. It’s horrible that prepubescent girls are attending her concerts.

    I fail to see how that’s misogyny. And it’s horrible that the parents took their daughters to this event.

    Accusing people who are horrified by the present slut-culture sold to our prepubescent girls of being “like Muslims” is a well-known leftist slur. I have heard it several times how “Christian fundamentalists are really the same as Muslim fundamentalists”. No, they are not.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    MW went way off topic. He ignored the bombing and deaths to blame the girls who were dressed as sluts for the bombing. Who's to say what a slut outfit is? I didn't see anyone dressed as a hooker or slut in the footage shown. But ME claimed he saw all the concert goers were dressed as sluts. With his obsession with 10 year old sluts I'd keep him away from my children, boys as well as girls.

    Focus on the issue, the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 fellow White Europeans.
    Or go ahead and join the Muslims and write the girls deserved to be killed because they went to an Arianna Grabde concert. That's what defense counsel for the co conspirators will argue in court. Perhaps defense counsel can get some of you fuddy duddies to appear as witnesses and testify that although you are not Muslim you agree the 12 year old sluts had to die because of their clothing choices.

    Blame the victim is standard SJW liberalism. Old ladies shouldn't carry purses because it tempts robbers. Minimum wage clerks shouldn't take public transit home at night because it's not safe. Blame the victim is what SJWs say and you fuddy dud died say the same thing about the bombing.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @Anonymous
    @reiner Tor

    Would the parents be familiar with the lyrics? Mine certainly didn't know much about the music I listened to when I was a kid.

    But then again, they never took me to any concerts either. I saw my first concert at 15, when I was old enough to go with friends. And I can't say that I've ever seen an 8-year-old attending one. That kids that young were at a concert, any concert, was actually the only thing about this attack that surprised me. But outside of this thread I haven't seen anyone comment on it. Is that a big thing in the UK?

  322. @anonymous
    @Jack D

    His father sounds like a good bloke.


    Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb

    Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.

    Today, he denied his son is linked to militants or the suicide bombing.

    Ramadan Abedi says he spoke to his 22-year-old son, Salman Abedi, five days ago and he was getting ready to visit Saudi Arabia and sounded "normal."He said that his son visited Libya a month-and-a -half ago.The elder Abedi told The Associated Press by telephone from Tripoli: "We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us."

    He said his other son, Ismail, was arrested in England on Tuesday morning. He said Salman was planning to head from Saudi Arabia to Libya to spend the holy month of Ramadan with family.
    Abedi fled Tripoli in 1993 after Moammar Gadhafi's security authorities issued an arrest warrant and eventually sought political asylum in Britain. Now, he is the administrative manager of the Central Security force in Tripoli.

    Sources also said the bomber's mother had raised concerns about her son's radical views before she herself left for Libya. --Daily Mail UK

     

    Replies: @Alden

    The father’s been arrested as well. Manchester police just announced they have evidence there is a sophisticated terrorist network in Manchester.

  323. @joeyjoejoe
    What the response to this incident does, as the response to all similar incidents has done, is reinforce the uncomfortable fact that elites rule the world. If you want a change of response, you need to either change elites or elites need to change.

    This is more than a pithy comment-we can all say it, and we can all cynically think it when something doesnt go our way. But it has been reinforced to me more and more in the modern era: elites rule the world.

    What this means is that non-elites don't. I think our mental construct of the world is that elites have some power (i.e. elite media folks, elite politicians, the rich, celebrities, etc), but that power is counteracted by the power of the people; we vote the way we want, and sometimes it is in agrement with elites, sometimes it isn't. There is an ongoing battle between elites who want more than the masses, and the masses themselves. The whole idea of a political 'pendulum' reinforces this view. So does the concept of a 'silent majority,' (which dates from the Nixonian early 1970's), the idea of a relatively stable (and slightly conservative) 'middle class,' the sense that parties trade power and thus influence on society, and therefore the real values of the masses, though filtered and somewhat muted, eventually bubble up and guide society.

    This is pretty clearly not true. For my entire life, opinion polls have wanted to limit illegal immigration. For my entire life, opinion polls of the American populace have rejected affirmative action. And so on. There is no muted give and take between the conservative middle class and the progressive big city edgy elites. What the elites want, they get. Conservatives don't win judicial decisions, because judges and legal scholars aren't conservative. They don't win social issues because social elites aren't conservative. Elites may not get it exactly when they want, but they get it.

    This why during 'liberal' (i.e. Democratic) phases or administrations, liberal progress is made. Yet during 'conservative' (i.e. Republican) phases or administrations, conservative progress is not made. The system allows progress and resistance to progress when its participants (those elites) want it. They want progressivism, so with political power, progressivism advances. They don't want conservativism, so without political power, they can gum up the works enough to resist conservative advances.

    If you internalize this ('elites always win') and really accept it (and as I said-not just as a pithy phrase you tell yourself after an election doesn't go your way-genuinely accept and understand that this is how the world works), you will understand how the world works much better.

    What will change after the Manchester bombings? You know what will change; when the Independent says that the most important thing to do is go on as if nothing happened, the world will go on as if nothing happened. When the elites start to say something is going to change, why, it will change.

    joeyjoejoe

    note: this is true until a world historical event occurs: a Civil War in the United States during which the revolting power wins, a French Revolution style event, a transformation of a national government on the scale of Hitler's rise to power. Note that these types of events always involve a great deal of violence.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What the response to this incident does, as the response to all similar incidents has done, is reinforce the uncomfortable fact that elites rule the world. If you want a change of response, you need to either change elites or elites need to change.

    If true, this phenomenon would appear to caution against the importation of high-skilled labor and very wealthy people.

  324. @Alden
    @Dissident

    Never heard of Adrianna Grande until Monday night. I'm a White Nationalist, not some geriatric fuddy duddy more concerned with vulgar popular culture than the real problems faced by Whites.

    Those problems are affirmative action, non White immigration, the business community that brings in the non White immigrants and black and Hispanic crime in that order.

    Go on fussing about sleeveless tops and watch your grandchildren become untouchables banned from employment because they are White. You fuddy duddy National Review conservatives seem to watch an awful lot of gay and promiscuous TV shows for people who disapprove of those gay and sexual TV shows.

    And this obsession with the clothes of 11 year olds is indicative of perversion.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    You are quite wrong if you don’t understand how the toxic culture (which teaches 8-year-olds to ride the dick bicycle and to have wrist icicles) is contributing to all the other problems. Hollywood and the rest of the filthy “entertainment” industry are deliberately poisoning us.

    You don’t need to be super-conservative to understand that explicitly sexual content should be reserved for adults only, that’s been the rule throughout the West since the late Roman Empire, and it’s for good reasons that it’s always been like this. I don’t wish a return of Victorian mores, but it’s easy to understand that they were superior than what we have now. Low fertility and sexual hedonism are not sustainable, and they are sold to us to weaken us, so that we won’t resist demographic replacement.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?

    Focus on the issue. None of us ever heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. Now the fuddy duddies are using the common defense attorney tactic of blaming the victims.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    In Victorian times England had a very high and very visible number of very young, as young as 6 child prostitues, girls and boys. These children openly solicited on the public streets and nothing was done. Foreigners were appalled as their travel journal attest. American soldiers in WWs 1&2 noticed there were vastly more street prostitutes in England than on the continent.

    Ask Mr Google if you want sources.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  325. @Alden
    @Dissident

    My interest is keeping the comments focused on the bombing, not justifying the bombing and deaths because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. Read the " girls deserved it because they are sluts" comments. They read like what the defense will use in the trials of the co conspirators. It will go something like this: the slutty dress of the victims was so offensive against Muslim modesty that the defendants had to kill them to force British women to dress according to strict Islamic standards.

    All I see when I read the fuddy duddy comments is that the girls deserved to die because of their clothes and because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. You all remind me of the German and Swedish feminazis who wear head scarves to show solidarity with Muslims immigrants.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

    Read the ” girls deserved it because they are sluts” comments.

    Where are they? Can you provide some links?

  326. @Alden
    @Dissident

    My interest is keeping the comments focused on the bombing, not justifying the bombing and deaths because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. Read the " girls deserved it because they are sluts" comments. They read like what the defense will use in the trials of the co conspirators. It will go something like this: the slutty dress of the victims was so offensive against Muslim modesty that the defendants had to kill them to force British women to dress according to strict Islamic standards.

    All I see when I read the fuddy duddy comments is that the girls deserved to die because of their clothes and because of the filthy lyrics of the singer. You all remind me of the German and Swedish feminazis who wear head scarves to show solidarity with Muslims immigrants.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @reiner Tor

    Read the ” girls deserved it because they are sluts” comments.

    Where are they? Can you provide some links?

  327. @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    I never heard of her either, just googled her now.

    But MW never said the girls "deserved to die", never "rejoiced that they were dead", that's pure fantasy.

    He said that the girls were already poisoned with a deadly toxic culture. He was proved right: Ariana Grande really is toxic. She really is singing about being a whore, quite explicitly about f...ing and other sexual acts. It's horrible that prepubescent girls are attending her concerts.

    I fail to see how that's misogyny. And it's horrible that the parents took their daughters to this event.

    Accusing people who are horrified by the present slut-culture sold to our prepubescent girls of being "like Muslims" is a well-known leftist slur. I have heard it several times how "Christian fundamentalists are really the same as Muslim fundamentalists". No, they are not.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    MW went way off topic. He ignored the bombing and deaths to blame the girls who were dressed as sluts for the bombing. Who’s to say what a slut outfit is? I didn’t see anyone dressed as a hooker or slut in the footage shown. But ME claimed he saw all the concert goers were dressed as sluts. With his obsession with 10 year old sluts I’d keep him away from my children, boys as well as girls.

    Focus on the issue, the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 fellow White Europeans.
    Or go ahead and join the Muslims and write the girls deserved to be killed because they went to an Arianna Grabde concert. That’s what defense counsel for the co conspirators will argue in court. Perhaps defense counsel can get some of you fuddy duddies to appear as witnesses and testify that although you are not Muslim you agree the 12 year old sluts had to die because of their clothing choices.

    Blame the victim is standard SJW liberalism. Old ladies shouldn’t carry purses because it tempts robbers. Minimum wage clerks shouldn’t take public transit home at night because it’s not safe. Blame the victim is what SJWs say and you fuddy dud died say the same thing about the bombing.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    OK.

  328. @Stealth
    @Jefferson

    I'm from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what's left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jefferson

    Taliaferro along one of the Virginia rivers in the 1600s. Florentine origins. The internet says its Tolliver now.

  329. @NickG

    How to Put Skin in the Game of Suicide Bombers

    ....in the case of terrorism. You kill my family and think that you have impunity; I will make yours pay some price for it. Indirect responsibility isn’t part of the standard crime and punishment methodology of a civilized society, but confronting terrorists (who threaten innocents) isn’t standard either. For we have rarely in history confronted a situation in which the perpetrator of a crime has a completely asymmetric payoff, an upside from death while committing it.

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game....
     

    Read the whole article by Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Hippopotamusdrome

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the “deluded person” here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the “deluded person” here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.
     
    Well, leaders in America and in Europe are certainly deluded. After all, they are the ones who are allowing Muslims to invade the West. Invading the world is one thing, but inviting the world is surely the height of madness....
  330. @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    You are quite wrong if you don't understand how the toxic culture (which teaches 8-year-olds to ride the dick bicycle and to have wrist icicles) is contributing to all the other problems. Hollywood and the rest of the filthy "entertainment" industry are deliberately poisoning us.

    You don't need to be super-conservative to understand that explicitly sexual content should be reserved for adults only, that's been the rule throughout the West since the late Roman Empire, and it's for good reasons that it's always been like this. I don't wish a return of Victorian mores, but it's easy to understand that they were superior than what we have now. Low fertility and sexual hedonism are not sustainable, and they are sold to us to weaken us, so that we won't resist demographic replacement.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?

    Focus on the issue. None of us ever heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. Now the fuddy duddies are using the common defense attorney tactic of blaming the victims.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?
     
    Well, this is an open thread, it's already an older thread (Steve wrote several posts today), so why can't we write about any issue that comes to our mind?

    Believers of the Religion of Peace occasionally murder a few people as part of their larger war against us, because that's what these Peace Believers do when waging holy war (which is commanded by the peace religion). What is there to say about it? Muslims bad? Nobody disputes that. Immigration bad? Nobody disputes that. (OK, some people apparently do some nitpicking here, but in general it's accepted.)

    But this Ariana Grande thing is something we didn't know about. It's obviously poisonous. Why can't we mention it?

    If you didn't insist on this topic, I'd already have moved on. I think so would the others.

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator, @Alden

  331. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    There are more street robberies per capita in England than in America.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Thanks, that greatly strengthens my point.

  332. @Dissident
    @Dissident

    I strongly agree with and commend these comments by "Brutusale", "reiner Tor", "Hippopotamusdrome" and the others who corroborated (at least in large part) MW's comment and defended it against Alden's attacks. In his numerous, redundant, hysterical SJW-esque screeches, Alden harps on MW's specific characterization of the "young women" at the concert being "dressed as sluts". But whether or not that specific portion of MW's comment was appropriate or even accurate, his larger point about the pernicious and insidious influence of this Ariana Grande character would appear to be incontrovertible. (That is, from any sane, non-Cult-Marx perspective.)

    I was going to ask Alden whether he considers this individual who, according to Wikipedia is an "LGBT rights activist" and "Sex-positive feminist" to be a positive and wholesome influence on the pre-teen and early-teen demographic that apparently make-up Ms. Grande's primary audience and fan-base. But then I realized that the answer to that question is likely already revealed in the very comments of Alden's that I refer-to. So I will skip to the matter of the lurid lyrics in Ms. Grande's songs. Do you, Alden, find those acceptable-- from a singer whose target audience and fan-base are pre- and early-teens?

    Replies: @Alden

    The issue is the murder of 22 and injury of 119 fellow White Europeans, not your opinion of some porn singer none of us ever heard of until Monday night.

  333. @Heretic
    The circle jerk communal solidarity, candle waving, filter clicking responses to these events is turning it all into a bit if a hobby for the west. A rite of passage. Like a summer trip to some scummy touristic second world vacation spot. Why? Does it matter? That's what we do now and we have the selfie to prove it. We cosy up and vigil together, feel smug about ourselves and our imaginary harmony, and pretend we're arrayed in defiance of something. Anything. Makes a great Facebook post. Makes a great story. Its the travelling refujihadi circus, coming to a town near you. Get your presales while you still can.

    Replies: @Alden, @William Badwhite

    There is a pile of pastel balloons, teddy bears, flowers and candles in one of the big squares of Manchester, along with the standard ” we can not allow this tragic event to divide us” rhetoric from the politicians. Not divide us refers to the crime against PC by blaming Muslims and immigration policies for the bombing.

  334. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?

    Focus on the issue. None of us ever heard of Arianna Grande until the bombing. Now the fuddy duddies are using the common defense attorney tactic of blaming the victims.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?

    Well, this is an open thread, it’s already an older thread (Steve wrote several posts today), so why can’t we write about any issue that comes to our mind?

    Believers of the Religion of Peace occasionally murder a few people as part of their larger war against us, because that’s what these Peace Believers do when waging holy war (which is commanded by the peace religion). What is there to say about it? Muslims bad? Nobody disputes that. Immigration bad? Nobody disputes that. (OK, some people apparently do some nitpicking here, but in general it’s accepted.)

    But this Ariana Grande thing is something we didn’t know about. It’s obviously poisonous. Why can’t we mention it?

    If you didn’t insist on this topic, I’d already have moved on. I think so would the others.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    Again, what does the porn singer have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 White Europeans? The father is a member of an Al Queda group. The bomber spent thousands of pounds traveling to Muslim countries. For a family whose father is a security guard and the young adult sons live on job seekers allowance and the mother is on general benefit the family sure has a lot of money.

    That's the issue, not the porn singer..

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Anonymous

    , @Opinionator
    @reiner Tor

    Muslims are not bad.

    Incidentally, their views on female modesty accord to some extent with your own.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    I'm not the one obsessively reading Arianna Grande's porn lyrics and salivating over 11 year old " sluts" you are. I focus on the deaths and the non response by the British government..

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  335. @Dr. X
    The sane and rational reaction would be to completely shut down Muslim immigration and the resettlement of refugees. (In the UK, which still has an established religion, it would legally be possible to monitor and suppress the existing Muslim population as well).

    Of course, we can readily predict that the opposite will happen. The socio-political elites will redouble the enforcement of hate crimes and political correctness, continue to kiss Muslims on the ass, and continue to tighten the enforcement of the soft totalitarianism that the UK has become against the native British population.

    One aspect of this that I find fascinating is the "security theater" of the British police. Every time one of these attacks occurs, Bobbies swarm the streets armed with handguns and battle rifles that are completely banned from the British public. British gun control has been 100% ineffective at stopping terrorist acts. As far as I'm aware, none of these cops have ever stopped a terrorist attack in progress, despite the fact that the British police have far greater powers than Americans to monitor and suppress the public.

    The problem of terrorism caused by foreigners (or people descended from foreigners) is 100% the fault of the British government given the fact that they are an island nation and nobody can get there without the permission of the government. They respond with a ridiculous and ineffective show of force after the fact, because they cannot admit that they are the ones indirectly responsible for the deaths of their own people.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Alden

    Britain has passed several “extremist speech” laws in the last 20 years. But those laws are only enforced against Whites who express anti Muslim ideas. It’s like TSA, Whites are searched and insulted while blacks and browns are waved through.

  336. @Opinionator
    @John Pepple

    "lots of secular leftists" is pretty vague.

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn't follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

    Replies: @John Pepple, @syonredux

    At the time the Shah left, it wasn’t a “Muslim” country, at least not in the sense that it was ruled by conservative Muslims the way it is now. I expected it to become socialist, because that’s what happened in lots of other places when the rulers who were backed by Americans were overthrown. Instead, a theocracy emerged.

    As for the numbers, Nick Cohen on page 118 of his book Waiting for the Etonians declares, “The Islamists murdered tens of thousands of leftists, perhaps up to 100,000, after the 1979 Iranian Revolution.” I don’t know what he’s basing that on, but I do know that the left there was basically destroyed, that communists fled to Moscow, etc. It was a total disaster for the Iranian left.

    Finally, I have no idea what you mean by “It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely.” Did you read what I said? I said that these leftists themselves didn’t like Western (specifically, American) meddling. They were murdered nonetheless.

  337. @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?
     
    Well, this is an open thread, it's already an older thread (Steve wrote several posts today), so why can't we write about any issue that comes to our mind?

    Believers of the Religion of Peace occasionally murder a few people as part of their larger war against us, because that's what these Peace Believers do when waging holy war (which is commanded by the peace religion). What is there to say about it? Muslims bad? Nobody disputes that. Immigration bad? Nobody disputes that. (OK, some people apparently do some nitpicking here, but in general it's accepted.)

    But this Ariana Grande thing is something we didn't know about. It's obviously poisonous. Why can't we mention it?

    If you didn't insist on this topic, I'd already have moved on. I think so would the others.

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator, @Alden

    Again, what does the porn singer have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 White Europeans? The father is a member of an Al Queda group. The bomber spent thousands of pounds traveling to Muslim countries. For a family whose father is a security guard and the young adult sons live on job seekers allowance and the mother is on general benefit the family sure has a lot of money.

    That’s the issue, not the porn singer..

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    Both are issues.

    Have a nice day, I already wrote what I wanted to write.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Anonymous
    @Alden

    Nothing.

    The point is that a multitude of destructive forces aimed at our next generation are encapsulated in this one episode: a young girls' idol telling them that their sexuality is "dangerous" (the posters for Ariana's Dangerous Woman Tour show her as a Playboy bunny) and powerful (and we wonder why they would initially feel empowered and "grown-up" by having a flashy older Asian boyfriend-pimp), terrorists robbing them of their futures, and free rides away from the scene from media-venerated Muslim taxi drivers (probably danger-zone #1 for young white girls in those communities, after kebab shops).

    Our society seems broken.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  338. @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?
     
    Well, this is an open thread, it's already an older thread (Steve wrote several posts today), so why can't we write about any issue that comes to our mind?

    Believers of the Religion of Peace occasionally murder a few people as part of their larger war against us, because that's what these Peace Believers do when waging holy war (which is commanded by the peace religion). What is there to say about it? Muslims bad? Nobody disputes that. Immigration bad? Nobody disputes that. (OK, some people apparently do some nitpicking here, but in general it's accepted.)

    But this Ariana Grande thing is something we didn't know about. It's obviously poisonous. Why can't we mention it?

    If you didn't insist on this topic, I'd already have moved on. I think so would the others.

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator, @Alden

    Muslims are not bad.

    Incidentally, their views on female modesty accord to some extent with your own.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Opinionator

    It's too late, maybe just for me. People may never admit it, but everyone believes Muslims are bad/or will slit your throat if you disagree with them, sorry. I have felt like this since the 70's when I was assaulted by Muslim men (several times while traveling/walking/sightseeing in France - minding my own business, btw). There is an "other" thing to them; only the men (I guess I am only fearful of Muslim men/I'm a misandrist! haha) creep me out....I feel sorry for the women and children. Of course, I know some University-educated men and women who do not defend the primitive violence that is escalating month after month among their ethnic group. Shiite Muslims don't attack/kill Europeans and Americans like Sunnis do...confusing.

  339. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    "Soft targets" my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

    Replies: @syonredux, @William Badwhite

    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

    Not if you believe that you are going to be rewarded in the afterlife……and in a rather carnal fashion….

    • Replies: @Alden
    @syonredux

    Some Israelis claim the Muslim suicide bombers are drugged. Who knows?

    , @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    If it didn't take courage, surely we'd see a lot more of it.

    Replies: @syonredux

  340. @Opinionator
    @NickG

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the "deluded person" here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.

    Replies: @syonredux

    We are totally defenseless in front of a deluded person willing to kill scores of innocents without any true downside, that is, skin in the game….

    One must wonder whether the “deluded person” here may be an apt description of American and Israeli decisionmakers and their electorates.

    Well, leaders in America and in Europe are certainly deluded. After all, they are the ones who are allowing Muslims to invade the West. Invading the world is one thing, but inviting the world is surely the height of madness….

  341. @MW
    @Alden

    > girls dressed in anything but a full shroud and veils is immodest and deserving of death.

    That's really not what I was trying to say. Of course they didn't deserve to die.

    In every sub-culture I'm aware of that takes family formation seriously, the women dress modestly, and they take great pains to shield their children from hedonist entertainment. Maybe that's a coincidence, and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don't think so.

    Replies: @bored identity

    “…and maybe Ariana Grande is just harmless fun, but I really don’t think so….”

    From The Telegraph:

    ‘I’ve never seen her wear anything but black,’ she says. ‘She says it’s a part of who she is.

    A psychic she saw when she was younger told her that black was her colour.

    So she really decided to run with that one, I guess!’

    Grande was raised a Catholic, but in adolescence began questioning her faith out of love and support for her brother, who is gay.

    ‘When my brother was told that God didn’t love him I was like, “OK, that’s not cool.”

    They were building a Kabbalah centre in Florida so we both checked it out and really had a connection with it.’

    The Kabbalah movement – Madonna is its most high-profile adherent – ‘sort of stuck with me.

    And since then my life has unfolded in a really beautiful way, and I think that it has a lot to do with the tools I’ve learnt through Kabbalah, I really do.’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/11159510/Ariana-Grande-interview-Big-Sean-diva.html

    And, just in case if you have any additional doubts:

    http://ijr.com/2015/07/364509-laura-ingraham-has-quite-a-suggestion-for-how-us-should-respond-to-ariana-grandes-america-bashing/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Culture

  342. @NickG
    Time for an emergency facebook filter, to project the union flag onto buildings, light some candles, have some fluffy hashtags and do much ostentatious emoting.

    Meantime - let's change the UK school calendar to be sharia compliant, so the nice Muslims - and the remaining 95% of the population - don't have to sit exams during Ramadan.

    And time to carry on full speed with the The Great replacement and institute the frontlash against all those badthinkers who would be beastly to the Muslims.

    Replies: @Alden, @BB753

    What the British really need now is Elton John playing “Imagine” on his piano in the Manchester Arena and a nice and massive candlelight vigil. That will strike fear into the hearts of terrorists, surely.
    The more they kill us kaffirs the closer we are to defeating Jihad. In fact, Muslims will become fully integrated by the time they reach 100% of the population : if that’s what it takes, it will totally be worth going extinct, or so liberal morons actually think. So don’t reproduce yourselves and don’t make such a fuss about being slaughtered. It’s for the common good.

  343. @Opinionator
    @biz

    You are fumbling around with Occam's Butterknife.

    Occam's Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.

    Replies: @syonredux

    You are fumbling around with Occam’s Butterknife.

    Occam’s Razor teaches that when one group of men invades the territory of another group of men, the invaded group will respond with violence in order to defend its territory.

    Not if the men in question are Westerners………After all, look how we are allowing our lands to be invaded, our women to be raped…..

  344. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    Again, what does the porn singer have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 White Europeans? The father is a member of an Al Queda group. The bomber spent thousands of pounds traveling to Muslim countries. For a family whose father is a security guard and the young adult sons live on job seekers allowance and the mother is on general benefit the family sure has a lot of money.

    That's the issue, not the porn singer..

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Anonymous

    Both are issues.

    Have a nice day, I already wrote what I wanted to write.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    If you geriatric perverts want to read and discuss the singers porn lyrics just email Steve sailer and ask him to set up an open thread denouncing the porn singer and 10 year old sluts.

    The title of the thread is Manchester bombing, not 10 year old sluts.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  345. @reiner Tor
    @Alden


    What does that have to do with the deaths of 22 and injuries of 119 of our fellow White Europeans?
     
    Well, this is an open thread, it's already an older thread (Steve wrote several posts today), so why can't we write about any issue that comes to our mind?

    Believers of the Religion of Peace occasionally murder a few people as part of their larger war against us, because that's what these Peace Believers do when waging holy war (which is commanded by the peace religion). What is there to say about it? Muslims bad? Nobody disputes that. Immigration bad? Nobody disputes that. (OK, some people apparently do some nitpicking here, but in general it's accepted.)

    But this Ariana Grande thing is something we didn't know about. It's obviously poisonous. Why can't we mention it?

    If you didn't insist on this topic, I'd already have moved on. I think so would the others.

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator, @Alden

    I’m not the one obsessively reading Arianna Grande’s porn lyrics and salivating over 11 year old ” sluts” you are. I focus on the deaths and the non response by the British government..

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    OK.

  346. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.
     

    Not if you believe that you are going to be rewarded in the afterlife......and in a rather carnal fashion....

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator

    Some Israelis claim the Muslim suicide bombers are drugged. Who knows?

  347. @Art Deco
    @Detective Club

    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They're also not endogamous.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that.

    Dunno. Blacks crime rates in the UK are, shall we say, disproportionate….

    The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it “impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men“.[11]

    In June 2007 the Home Affairs Select Committee published a report on young black people and the criminal justice system of England and Wales. It said that young black people were over-represented at all stages of the criminal justice system.[12] The Commission for Racial Equality and youth charities welcomed the report.[13][14]
    Ministry of Justice figures regarding race and the criminal justice system in 2009/10 are shown in the table below.[15]

    White Black Asian Mixed Chinese or other Not stated/unknown
    Population aged 10 and over (2009) 88.6% 2.7% 5.6% 1.4% 1.6% 0.0%
    Stops and searches under Police and Criminal Evidence Act 67.2% 14.6% 9.6% 3.0% 1.2% 4.4%
    Arrests 2009/10 79.6% 8.0% 5.6% 2.9% 1.5% 2.4%
    Prison population (including foreign nationals) 72.0% 13.7% 7.1% 3.5% 1.4% 2.2%

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    About 8-9% of criminal defendants in Britain are coded 'black'. That would include West Indians and Africans. It presumably is a mix of blacks and mulattoes re the West Indian population.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

  348. @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    Both are issues.

    Have a nice day, I already wrote what I wanted to write.

    Replies: @Alden

    If you geriatric perverts want to read and discuss the singers porn lyrics just email Steve sailer and ask him to set up an open thread denouncing the porn singer and 10 year old sluts.

    The title of the thread is Manchester bombing, not 10 year old sluts.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    OK.

  349. @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb 'refugees'. This was the nut of his complaint:


    I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

    I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?



    No, Britain isn't run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts. Other than the fact that they are 'immigrants', Caribbean blacks do not have much in particular in common with Pakistanis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @syonredux

    Powell said not one word about Pakistani immigration, much less Maghreb ‘refugees’. This was the nut of his complaint:

    Dear fellow, I rather doubt that Mr Powell would have approved of hordes of Muslims invading the UK. Don’t be autistic…..

    No, Britain isn’t run by a Caribbean minority which accounts for 2.3% of the population. Neither are West Indians living in Britain bombing tween concerts.

    No, it’s just that the Black population in the UK are a tad dysfunctional….

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

    As Mr Powell said, “The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. ”

  350. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    "Soft targets" my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.

    Replies: @syonredux, @William Badwhite

    It may take “courage” to blow yourself or crash a plane (that your barbaric culture could never, in a billion years, have designed and built) but the fact remains that blowing up school kids isn’t going to change any foreign policy.

    And I would argue that the US Marines that held off the Japanese (soft targets?) at Guadalcanal had a lot more courage than some wild-eyed nutcase that thinks blowing himself will finally get him laid.

    We get it – you think the West’s foreign policy justifies the random murder of children. That is entirely consistent with your culture and religion’s savagery and abject stupidity.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Watch Madeleine Albright justify the random murder of 500,000 Iraqi children:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmWRlfKy4e4

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    , @biz
    @William Badwhite


    It may take “courage” to blow yourself or crash a plane
     
    It actually doesn't, not if you really believe, as these terrorists do, that there is an eternity of paradise waiting for you just on the other side of that crash.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  351. @Opinionator
    @John Pepple

    "lots of secular leftists" is pretty vague.

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn't follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

    Replies: @John Pepple, @syonredux

    Granting your description of the historical events, your conclusion doesn’t follow. It only shows that globalist/outgroup infiltration or meddling in a Muslim country will be dealt with severely. Maybe we should stop meddling in the countries?

    I’m game….So long as we also expel all Muslims from Western countries.

  352. @Corvinus
    @reiner Tor

    "Some good news. Trump is supporting the Soros university in Hungary. There had been some fears that Trump might not totally support Soros, but fortunately he managed to cuck on that issue."

    As long as Soros helps to make Trump and his family money, why would he care about Soros' liberalism?

    Jared Kushner co-founded Cadre in 2014, which markets properties to prospective investors. The company turned to a Goldman Sachs fund and a number of high profile investors, including securing a half a billion line of credit from the family office of George Soros.

    I thought Soros is evil personified. But I guess borrowing from him makes only perfect business sense. Would not Kushner be a paid stooge of Soros as a result of this deal?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Brutusale

    If Orban decided to dynamite Sauron U tomorrow, what could Trump do? Protest most vociferously?

    Viktor walks the walk. So far, Trump has been mincing.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Brutusale

    I can assure you Orbán won't dynamite the university, in fact, he'll let it continue.

    Had the Trump administration not attacked him for it, he'd have gone ahead and dismantled the university.

  353. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    I'm not the one obsessively reading Arianna Grande's porn lyrics and salivating over 11 year old " sluts" you are. I focus on the deaths and the non response by the British government..

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    OK.

  354. @Art Deco
    @Detective Club

    Now it’s mostly Black & the crime is times-ten.

    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that. They're also not endogamous.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    So we’re supposed to take the violent crime statistics as Gospel when they come from the same organizations that basically ignored the assault and rape of thousands of young girls over the past 15 years?

    Uh, OK.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Brutusale

    I wasn't aware that the production of British crime statistics had been subcontracted to the child protective bureau in Rotherham.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  355. @Opinionator
    @unpc downunder

    Sweden, Germany, and Belgium aren't really semi-Pacifist. All have participated in US-Zionist bombings/invasion of a major Muslim country (see Iraq, Syria, Libya) since the Iraq War.

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It's basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Why target a youth event? To make it hurt. Because Muslims see us as taking the lives of their own children. To maximize media coverage. To make Western decisionmakers, including voters, feel vulnerable where they care the most (their offspring). It’s basic reciprocity and deterrence, amplified to reach a large number of people/decisionmakers.

    Bad manners to kill your host, dear fellow…..

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @syonredux

    If the objective of Muslim terrorists is to stop westerners interfering in the Middle East, then they've failed miserably. The more westerners they kill, the more westerners interfere. And westerners have much more technology and firepower so the overall body count is strongly in favour of the West.

    If they are serious about hurting the West, they should aim for the pocket. Destroy infrastructure, paralyse the big cities, minimise civilian casualties. That might attract more sympathy and less neocon cluster bombing.

    , @Venator
    @syonredux

    (I'll leave that reply safely buried at the bottom in a 400-comment-Leviathan)

    It's not the offspring of the elites. Just look at the victims. Proles. Riff-raff. Roundheads. Not worth the salt of a single crocodile tear.

    La Patrie est en danger!

  356. @BB753
    @syonredux

    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.

    Replies: @syonredux

    If you watch the linked pictures of her parents and grandparents, Ariana is darker in skin tone than any of them. Very unusual.

    Yeah, as I pointed out, she’s also darker than her brother. I think that bronzer use has something to do with it.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @syonredux

    Maybe, or some non-parental event in sunny Florida. She's very dark even for a Sicilian. And her features are a bit off. I could be wrong of course.

  357. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    If you geriatric perverts want to read and discuss the singers porn lyrics just email Steve sailer and ask him to set up an open thread denouncing the porn singer and 10 year old sluts.

    The title of the thread is Manchester bombing, not 10 year old sluts.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    OK.

  358. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Even when the host is bombing your family members back home?

    Absolutely, dear fellow. It’s an ancient custom. Killing your host is frowned upon.

    But that is simply further evidence that Muslims should not be allowed in Western countries.

  359. @Brutusale
    @Corvinus

    If Orban decided to dynamite Sauron U tomorrow, what could Trump do? Protest most vociferously?

    Viktor walks the walk. So far, Trump has been mincing.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I can assure you Orbán won’t dynamite the university, in fact, he’ll let it continue.

    Had the Trump administration not attacked him for it, he’d have gone ahead and dismantled the university.

  360. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    It may take "courage" to blow yourself or crash a plane (that your barbaric culture could never, in a billion years, have designed and built) but the fact remains that blowing up school kids isn't going to change any foreign policy.

    And I would argue that the US Marines that held off the Japanese (soft targets?) at Guadalcanal had a lot more courage than some wild-eyed nutcase that thinks blowing himself will finally get him laid.

    We get it - you think the West's foreign policy justifies the random murder of children. That is entirely consistent with your culture and religion's savagery and abject stupidity.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @biz

    Watch Madeleine Albright justify the random murder of 500,000 Iraqi children:

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    You keep repeating this fraudulent nonsense. (Betwixt and between having the audacity to call other people dishonest).

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    Whoosh, duck. That was the point zooming past your head. If these savages really want to do something about the foreign policy as they claim, then blow up Madeleine Albright. That might get someone's attention. Nobody voted for our insane foreign policy. Surely even you can figure out by now that TPTB are driving the bus, not the general public.

    But your pals would rather blow up young girls. Is that because a) they're murderous and in it for the murder, not for any stated goals, b) cowardly, because attacking little girls is easier than attacking the people actually responsible for what they claim to be murdering people over, or b) too stupid to tell the difference? I go with some combination of all three.

    One reason we have these neocons and their ilk pushing the constant war is because they have no skin in the game. They and their children aren't going to get hurt. Your buddies blowing up busses and concerts just further underlines that view.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lagertha

  361. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    “Soft targets” my ass.

    It takes a hell of a lot more courage to detonate a suicide vest or fly a plane into a building than it does to rain drone strikes on innocent people from thousands of feet in the air, or even from thousands of miles away.
     

    Not if you believe that you are going to be rewarded in the afterlife......and in a rather carnal fashion....

    Replies: @Alden, @Opinionator

    If it didn’t take courage, surely we’d see a lot more of it.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    If it didn’t take courage, surely we’d see a lot more of it.
     
    Dunno. Maybe most people aren't willing to put their beliefs to the test.....After all, what if the Muslim paradise isn't real.....I mean, I'm pretty sure that it is, but why be in a rush to find out?

    Replies: @Opinionator

  362. @Heretic
    The circle jerk communal solidarity, candle waving, filter clicking responses to these events is turning it all into a bit if a hobby for the west. A rite of passage. Like a summer trip to some scummy touristic second world vacation spot. Why? Does it matter? That's what we do now and we have the selfie to prove it. We cosy up and vigil together, feel smug about ourselves and our imaginary harmony, and pretend we're arrayed in defiance of something. Anything. Makes a great Facebook post. Makes a great story. Its the travelling refujihadi circus, coming to a town near you. Get your presales while you still can.

    Replies: @Alden, @William Badwhite

    I saw a woman in the airport yesterday wearing a “Boston Strong: You Messed with the Wrong City” t-shirt.

    I thought about asking her what exactly Boston did to prove someone “Messed with the Wrong City”. Other than wearing silly t-shirts I mean.

    Did numerous Southie tough guys wander around and find the various muzzie immivaders and throw them in a river?

    Did Boston and/or Massachusetts vote for Trump?

    Is whichever Congressbeing represents Boston loudly insisting that Chechens be deported and a program that grants asylum to people on the grounds they’d be persecuted back where they belong and then watches those people go to that place on vacation be shut down immediately?

    As far as I know, nobody did anything except brag about being “Boston Strong”.

    But instead I went back to reading my book.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @William Badwhite

    Whatever else you want to say, the Boston area cops did not stint in the number of bullets they fired in the general direction of the Tsarnaev Brothers.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @reiner Tor, @Lagertha, @Lugash

  363. @Gabriel M
    @Jan

    Jews - or at least people with some Jewish descent - are over represented among Britain's cancerous academic body. Unlike in America, however, they, almost to a man, ostentatiously anti-ethnocentric and anti-zionist. There are lots of Judith Butlers, no Alan Dershowitzses. Among British Jews, there is a meme known as 'As a Jew....' which is used to describe such people.

    As to the actual Jewish community, there is simply no difference whatsoever between the statements of community representatives and those made by representatives of the Anglican, Roman Catholic or major dissenting churches with regard to race, immigration and multiculturalism. I recently fell out with quite a prominent British United Synagogue Rabbi over this issue, but my Anglican friends have no more positive experiences than I do.

    So in the sense that it's true that 'British Jews love their Muslims', it's also true that 'British people love their Muslims', since you will not find a single establishment figure of any faith or none, who says anything different. For what it's worth, British Jews also love Muslims in Israel. Were British Jews to be given the vote, I doubt more than 20% would choose Likud. More or less every time a British Jew of my acquaintance visits Israel, they tell me how nice it is that there are Muslims everywhere. Since >60% vote Conservative, who - in theory- want to cut immigration, their views on British politics are somewhat to their right of their views on Israeli politics.

    So, in sum, stop trying, to use American categories to understand every country in the world.

    Replies: @Gabriel M, @Steve Sailer, @Jay Fink

    Have Jews, whether Britsh or American, always been this pro-Islam? I don’t recall this in decades past. Also, do Muslims love Jews back? I take it this is unrequited love.

  364. @William Badwhite
    @Heretic

    I saw a woman in the airport yesterday wearing a "Boston Strong: You Messed with the Wrong City" t-shirt.

    I thought about asking her what exactly Boston did to prove someone "Messed with the Wrong City". Other than wearing silly t-shirts I mean.

    Did numerous Southie tough guys wander around and find the various muzzie immivaders and throw them in a river?

    Did Boston and/or Massachusetts vote for Trump?

    Is whichever Congressbeing represents Boston loudly insisting that Chechens be deported and a program that grants asylum to people on the grounds they'd be persecuted back where they belong and then watches those people go to that place on vacation be shut down immediately?

    As far as I know, nobody did anything except brag about being "Boston Strong".

    But instead I went back to reading my book.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Whatever else you want to say, the Boston area cops did not stint in the number of bullets they fired in the general direction of the Tsarnaev Brothers.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Steve Sailer

    That much is true. Nonetheless I doubt prospective terrorists are thinking "man, I sure don't want to mess with Boston...they're Boston Strong"

    , @reiner Tor
    @Steve Sailer

    But then they killed exactly zero Tsarnaevs, so why does that matter?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Lagertha
    @Steve Sailer

    The cops in the East Coast cities are still locked into the 1880's as far as having a propensity to react explosively. Even though, many are not "fighting Irish," anymore, the aura continues. And, New England is full of very strict demographic lines/categories/classes, that no matter what, will not be crossed or changed. People are very socially rigid/aloof here...they loathe strangers/outsiders...and despise small talk. Can't wait to retire elsewhere!

    , @Lugash
    @Steve Sailer

    If Marky Mark's Movie about the Muslim Marathon Murders is accurate, the Boston area cops didn't do a great job. They portrayed as goofing off during the marathon(BPD), not paying much attention(MIT PD) and not recognizing a threat(Watertown PD). It's subtle, but you have to wonder if the screenwriters were injecting a little realism into the hagiography.

  365. @Stealth
    @Jay Fink


    I don’t look Jewish, I have blue eyes and no dark features
     
    There are a lot of Jewish people who fit that description. You might not be nearly as atypical as you think.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I knew this but wrongly assumed Jews like myself with Northern European looking features had more mixing with gentiles in their genetic history. I expected my Ashkenazi (which I realize are the most white looking Jews) % to be under 90%. Instead it was 98.5% which is on the high end of typical for someone with two Jewish parents.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Jay Fink

    The mixing with Gentiles may already be taken into account in the definition of what constitutes Ashkenazi ancestry.

  366. If the English don’t care about Manchester , why should I ?

  367. If the Brits don’t care about the Manchester bombing why should I ? Which one is worse ? To be raped by a bunch of Pakis for 14 years or be blown up by a Paki ?

  368. @Jay Fink
    @Stealth

    I knew this but wrongly assumed Jews like myself with Northern European looking features had more mixing with gentiles in their genetic history. I expected my Ashkenazi (which I realize are the most white looking Jews) % to be under 90%. Instead it was 98.5% which is on the high end of typical for someone with two Jewish parents.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    The mixing with Gentiles may already be taken into account in the definition of what constitutes Ashkenazi ancestry.

  369. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it. Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it.

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel or in any adjacent area except as part of multinational missions meant for monitoring or patrol. (As in West Beirut from 1982 to 1984). The last European deployment which did not fit that description was the British and French Suez expedition in 1956, wherein they were plainly pursuing their own interests.

    Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Other than some aerial dogfights with Syria and a couple of bombing raids (contra Iraq’s nuclear program and PLO hq in Tunis), Israel hasn’t been at war with any neighboring state in 43 years. Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them. All of Israel’s military operations since 1973 have been directed at criminal organizations camped out on Israel’s borders: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, various sects associated with Al Fatah. It’s pretty simple to avoid coming to blows with Israel. Jordan has managed it for 50 years, in spite of a long border with Israel proper and with areas in its security perimeter. Hamas could manage it too, if they didn’t get their jollies building tunnels and launching artillery barrages against Jewish towns.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel

    Witness the sophistry. We wouldn't expect American and European forces fighting Israel's wars for it to be actually deployed inside Israel. Although plenty of U.S.-origin technology and materiel is located there and is now owned by Israel, courtesy of American taxpayers.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them.
     
    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Art Deco

  370. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    You are trying to distract from the fact that Jews and the United States are invading and bombing the Middle East.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Israel is located in the Near East. It’s not invading any place and controls less territory than it did 50 years ago.

    As for the United States, it’s helpful if you wish to avoid being the subject of an American invasion not to host criminal organizations which carry out operations in Manhattan. It’s also helpful to not invade and despoil harmless oil principalities. Works for most countries.

  371. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it.

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel or in any adjacent area except as part of multinational missions meant for monitoring or patrol. (As in West Beirut from 1982 to 1984). The last European deployment which did not fit that description was the British and French Suez expedition in 1956, wherein they were plainly pursuing their own interests.

    Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Other than some aerial dogfights with Syria and a couple of bombing raids (contra Iraq's nuclear program and PLO hq in Tunis), Israel hasn't been at war with any neighboring state in 43 years. Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them. All of Israel's military operations since 1973 have been directed at criminal organizations camped out on Israel's borders: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, various sects associated with Al Fatah. It's pretty simple to avoid coming to blows with Israel. Jordan has managed it for 50 years, in spite of a long border with Israel proper and with areas in its security perimeter. Hamas could manage it too, if they didn't get their jollies building tunnels and launching artillery barrages against Jewish towns.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @reiner Tor

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel

    Witness the sophistry. We wouldn’t expect American and European forces fighting Israel’s wars for it to be actually deployed inside Israel. Although plenty of U.S.-origin technology and materiel is located there and is now owned by Israel, courtesy of American taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Opinionator

    For the 1973 war Nixon and Kissenger airlifted every single tank we had in Western Europe to Israel along with the tank crews.

    1973 was the height of the Cold War and had the soviet dictator wanted, they could have invaded from E. Germany, Czechoslovakia Hungary and other countries that shared borders with W. Europe.

    So we sacrificed our NATO commitment to fight Israel's war. None of the tanks, spare parts etc were returned of course.

    Replies: @BB753, @Art Deco

  372. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?
     
    For-the-record was quite reasonable here - if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past
     
    Three decades before the start of the present civil war. Which was still relatively minor until perhaps 2013.

    Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.
     
    That's a lie. Foreign powers helped organize the opposition into armed rebel groups, kept supplying them weapons and ammunition, until the whole of the country went up in flames. Syrians are perhaps really horrible people, but they were kept under a firm and strong hand until a combination of growing discontent (in part due to a bad harvest), some political errors by the government, and foreign interference made it possible for it to explode.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Opinionator

    For-the-record was quite reasonable here – if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    No, he isn’t. He’s moving to a different square on the board. Syria’s suffered severe political pathology for over 50 years. Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades, or periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities (death toll in Hama somewhere between 12,000 and 38,000 depending on source consulted), or decades-long occupations of neighboring states. The history of Syria over the period running from 1963 to 2011 was a history of grisly failure, and he’s yapping on and on as if it’s Hong Kong we’re talking about. Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that’s anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades
     
    You are quite wrong. Saudi Arabia is a frigging kingdom, FFS, ruled over by a clan of former goat herders. Same think for the other Gulf monarchies. Iraq had a (probably) patrimonial dictatorship until the wonderful plan to topple it didn't get executed. Even Mubarak's children started to play political roles. Of course, all of them are autocracies. Arab countries are dysfunctional countries (by Western standards, at least), each one of them.

    periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities
     
    It happened once. Not "periodic". In 2012 the civil war wouldn't have started without foreign help.

    And what would Algeria look like if the Islamist rebels received foreign backing? Yes, Egypt is probably more functional than that. The oil monarchies would be difficult to topple because they have the financial resources due to oil.


    decades-long occupations of neighboring states
     
    Yes, most countries don't have Lebanon for a neighbor. But it's good to know occupying (parts of) a neighbor is a sign of "political pathology" and "grisly failure". You know, Syria then has a neighbor which also occupies or occupied large pieces of its neighbors' land for decades and so might also be a "grisly failure".

    Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that’s anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.
     
    Syrians are certainly responsible, but I fail to see how the countries meddling there don't share that responsibility. They clearly do.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  373. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Watch Madeleine Albright justify the random murder of 500,000 Iraqi children:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmWRlfKy4e4

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    You keep repeating this fraudulent nonsense. (Betwixt and between having the audacity to call other people dishonest).

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    That's an authentic primary source right there, bub.

  374. @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    So we're supposed to take the violent crime statistics as Gospel when they come from the same organizations that basically ignored the assault and rape of thousands of young girls over the past 15 years?

    Uh, OK.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I wasn’t aware that the production of British crime statistics had been subcontracted to the child protective bureau in Rotherham.

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    If the thousands of Asian clients of the gangs weren't even charged (http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/how-100-men-were-able-to-prey-on-one-vulnerable-halifax-schoolgirl-for-two-years-1-7969702 for just one example), just the ringleaders, how would they end up in the violent crime statistics?

  375. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Israel gets the United States and European countries to do most of its fighting for it.

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel or in any adjacent area except as part of multinational missions meant for monitoring or patrol. (As in West Beirut from 1982 to 1984). The last European deployment which did not fit that description was the British and French Suez expedition in 1956, wherein they were plainly pursuing their own interests.

    Even so it has regularly engaged in other violence, aggression, assassinations, and interference against its neighbors.

    Other than some aerial dogfights with Syria and a couple of bombing raids (contra Iraq's nuclear program and PLO hq in Tunis), Israel hasn't been at war with any neighboring state in 43 years. Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them. All of Israel's military operations since 1973 have been directed at criminal organizations camped out on Israel's borders: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, various sects associated with Al Fatah. It's pretty simple to avoid coming to blows with Israel. Jordan has managed it for 50 years, in spite of a long border with Israel proper and with areas in its security perimeter. Hamas could manage it too, if they didn't get their jollies building tunnels and launching artillery barrages against Jewish towns.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @reiner Tor

    Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them.

    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @reiner Tor

    1973 was as well, wasn't it?

    Really, the list just goes on and on.

    More to the point, he also omitted Israel's bombing of Syria this past March.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/17/middleeast/israel-jets-syria-strikes/index.html

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Art Deco
    @reiner Tor

    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    Gamal Abdel Nasser orders UN buffer troops out of the Sinai, moves Egyptian troops to the Israeli border, sets up impromptu alliances with Syria and Jordan. Israel sends diplomatic messages to King Hussein imploring him to please stay out of Nasser's adventures - to no avail. Israel considers its options and possible consequences and launches a raid which destroys the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Three drunken duffers pull daggers on someone and discover to their horror he has a pistol and he's a very good shot. I really wouldn't blame the chap with the pistol, but that's just me.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  376. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    You keep repeating this fraudulent nonsense. (Betwixt and between having the audacity to call other people dishonest).

    Replies: @Opinionator

    That’s an authentic primary source right there, bub.

  377. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them.
     
    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Art Deco

    1973 was as well, wasn’t it?

    Really, the list just goes on and on.

    More to the point, he also omitted Israel’s bombing of Syria this past March.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/17/middleeast/israel-jets-syria-strikes/index.html

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    1973 was as well, wasn’t it?

    No it was not. Now you've degenerated into bald faced lying.

  378. @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Car theft is a massive problem in Britain. Violent crime, not so much. The homicide rate in Britain is no different from that of an ordinary Western European country. The West Indian population is not numerous enough nor troublesome enough to change that.
     
    Dunno. Blacks crime rates in the UK are, shall we say, disproportionate....

    The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it "impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men".[11]
     

    In June 2007 the Home Affairs Select Committee published a report on young black people and the criminal justice system of England and Wales. It said that young black people were over-represented at all stages of the criminal justice system.[12] The Commission for Racial Equality and youth charities welcomed the report.[13][14]
    Ministry of Justice figures regarding race and the criminal justice system in 2009/10 are shown in the table below.[15]

    White Black Asian Mixed Chinese or other Not stated/unknown
    Population aged 10 and over (2009) 88.6% 2.7% 5.6% 1.4% 1.6% 0.0%
    Stops and searches under Police and Criminal Evidence Act 67.2% 14.6% 9.6% 3.0% 1.2% 4.4%
    Arrests 2009/10 79.6% 8.0% 5.6% 2.9% 1.5% 2.4%
    Prison population (including foreign nationals) 72.0% 13.7% 7.1% 3.5% 1.4% 2.2%
     

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Replies: @Art Deco

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    About 8-9% of criminal defendants in Britain are coded ‘black’. That would include West Indians and Africans. It presumably is a mix of blacks and mulattoes re the West Indian population.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

    About 8-9% of criminal defendants in Britain are coded ‘black’. That would include West Indians and Africans. It presumably is a mix of blacks and mulattoes re the West Indian population.
     
    And, according to the UK census, Britain is only 3% Black

    Black British
    1,904,684 (3.0%) (2011 census)[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British

    Which indicates that Blacks in the UK are responsible for a disproportionate number of crimes...
    , @syonredux
    @Art Deco

    RE: Blacks in the UK,


    Keith Henry Blakelock, a London Metropolitan Police constable, was killed on 6 October 1985 in the Broadwater Farm riot at the housing estate in Tottenham, north London. The incident developed after a local black woman died of heart failure during a police search of her home. It took place against a backdrop of unrest in several English cities and a breakdown of relations between the police and black communities.[1]
    PC Blakelock had been assigned on the night of his death to Serial 502, a unit of 10 constables and one sergeant dispatched to protect firefighters. When the rioters forced the officers back, Blakelock stumbled and fell. Surrounded by a mob of 30–50 people, he received over 40 injuries inflicted by machetes or similar, and was found with a six-inch-long knife in his neck, buried up to the hilt
     

    The rioters removed Blakelock's protective helmet, which was never found. Rose writes that the pathologist, David Bowen, found 54 holes in Blakelock's overalls, and 40 cutting or stabbing injuries, eight of them to his head, caused by a machete, sword or axe-type instrument. A six-inch-long knife was buried in his neck up to the hilt. His body was covered in marks from having been kicked or stamped on. His hands and arms were badly cut, and he had lost several fingers trying to defend himself. There were 14 stab wounds on his back, one on the back of his right thigh, six on his face, and his jawbone had been smashed by a blow that left a six-inch gash across the right side of his head.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Keith_Blakelock
  379. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Now you’re changing the subject to street crime?
     
    For-the-record was quite reasonable here - if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    has suffered horrendous episodes of political violence in its past
     
    Three decades before the start of the present civil war. Which was still relatively minor until perhaps 2013.

    Its current troubles are not an artifact of the United States, Israel, or anyone else but Syrians.
     
    That's a lie. Foreign powers helped organize the opposition into armed rebel groups, kept supplying them weapons and ammunition, until the whole of the country went up in flames. Syrians are perhaps really horrible people, but they were kept under a firm and strong hand until a combination of growing discontent (in part due to a bad harvest), some political errors by the government, and foreign interference made it possible for it to explode.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Opinionator

    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands and whether Muslims are responding to those aggressions. Even if there were “internal conflicts” (and what countries anywhere are without them?), it wouldn’t eliminate the basic cause-and-effect phenomenon that foreign invasion usually provokes violent resistance.

    • Replies: @HEL
    @Opinionator


    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands
     
    No one here remotely denied this you nitwit.

    Even if there were “internal conflicts” (and what countries anywhere are without them?
     
    Virtually all countries are not currently undergoing massive civil wars.

    Your terrorist buddies are stupid violent animals who will slaughter whatever outgroup is closest to them. The only way to prevent this is to keep the boot on their throats. We shouldn't remove the boots from their throats, or be involved in their society in anyway. But this doesn't change that their violent proclivities are a result of their inherent nature and the culture they create.

    Replies: @HEL

  380. @Art Deco
    @reiner Tor

    For-the-record was quite reasonable here – if it had been a safe country for decades (to the point of not even having ordinary street crime), then there cannot have been much political violence at the same time either.

    No, he isn't. He's moving to a different square on the board. Syria's suffered severe political pathology for over 50 years. Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades, or periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities (death toll in Hama somewhere between 12,000 and 38,000 depending on source consulted), or decades-long occupations of neighboring states. The history of Syria over the period running from 1963 to 2011 was a history of grisly failure, and he's yapping on and on as if it's Hong Kong we're talking about. Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that's anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades

    You are quite wrong. Saudi Arabia is a frigging kingdom, FFS, ruled over by a clan of former goat herders. Same think for the other Gulf monarchies. Iraq had a (probably) patrimonial dictatorship until the wonderful plan to topple it didn’t get executed. Even Mubarak’s children started to play political roles. Of course, all of them are autocracies. Arab countries are dysfunctional countries (by Western standards, at least), each one of them.

    periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities

    It happened once. Not “periodic”. In 2012 the civil war wouldn’t have started without foreign help.

    And what would Algeria look like if the Islamist rebels received foreign backing? Yes, Egypt is probably more functional than that. The oil monarchies would be difficult to topple because they have the financial resources due to oil.

    decades-long occupations of neighboring states

    Yes, most countries don’t have Lebanon for a neighbor. But it’s good to know occupying (parts of) a neighbor is a sign of “political pathology” and “grisly failure”. You know, Syria then has a neighbor which also occupies or occupied large pieces of its neighbors’ land for decades and so might also be a “grisly failure”.

    Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that’s anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.

    Syrians are certainly responsible, but I fail to see how the countries meddling there don’t share that responsibility. They clearly do.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @reiner Tor

    You are quite wrong. Saudi Arabia is a frigging kingdom, FFS, ruled over by a clan of former goat herders. Same think for the other Gulf monarchies. Iraq had a (probably) patrimonial dictatorship until the wonderful plan to topple it didn’t get executed. Even Mubarak’s children started to play political roles. Of course, all of them are autocracies. Arab countries are dysfunctional countries (by Western standards, at least), each one of them.

    The Saudi monarchy is a monarchy, as are the Gulf emirates. They're an organic product of clan politics on the Arabian peninsula. The Gulf emirates are quite benign internally and externally. The Saudi regime has a severe set of social customs enforced in law (all in keeping with local tradition) but is otherwise not a troublesome place for its neighbors and generates only nuisance problems.

    I have no clue why you fancy the fascist party-states erected in Syria (in 1963) and Iraq (in 1968) are remotely comparable except that you think 'clan politics' is equivalent to highly sanguinary rule drawn from confessional minorities (Alawites in one place, Sunni Arabs in the other). And, of course, Syria and Iraq have been a chronic problem for any place in their gunsights. As for Mubarak's family members, that set of maneuvers was a factor in costing him his position.


    In 2012 the civil war wouldn’t have started without foreign help.

    This is a fantasy.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  381. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Aside from their adjunct role in the Suez expedition, Israel has never been willingly at war with any of them.
     
    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Art Deco

    Wrong. 1967 was an Israeli attack.

    Gamal Abdel Nasser orders UN buffer troops out of the Sinai, moves Egyptian troops to the Israeli border, sets up impromptu alliances with Syria and Jordan. Israel sends diplomatic messages to King Hussein imploring him to please stay out of Nasser’s adventures – to no avail. Israel considers its options and possible consequences and launches a raid which destroys the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Three drunken duffers pull daggers on someone and discover to their horror he has a pistol and he’s a very good shot. I really wouldn’t blame the chap with the pistol, but that’s just me.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco

    You leave out a lot of details.

    The Samu incident caused a huge outrage in the Arab world and forced Arab leaders to do something. The something they chose to do was to threaten Israel with a three-front all-out war if Israel attacked any of them. The Arabs thought (or rather, hoped) that such a threat would deter Israel from attacking any of them. They were wrong.

    But at the time everyone knew that Nasser's best troops were bogged down in Yemen, unable to achieve anything, and so it was highly unlikely that he thought that his second-rate troops in the Sinai would be enough to destroy Israel's troops, which were considered significantly better than Yemeni tribesmen.

    The reason he chose to expel the UN forces and close the straits was that he received reports from the USSR that Israel was preparing for an attack on Syria. (Wikipedia calls these reports "false", which is interesting, given how Israel really attacked Syria just a few weeks later...)

    I don't think the Israelis chose the wrong solution, but it's stupid to pretend that they were totally innocent in this.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  382. @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco


    Most Arab countries have low homicide rates. What they do not have is a party-patrimonial dictatorship which sticks around for decades
     
    You are quite wrong. Saudi Arabia is a frigging kingdom, FFS, ruled over by a clan of former goat herders. Same think for the other Gulf monarchies. Iraq had a (probably) patrimonial dictatorship until the wonderful plan to topple it didn't get executed. Even Mubarak's children started to play political roles. Of course, all of them are autocracies. Arab countries are dysfunctional countries (by Western standards, at least), each one of them.

    periodic scorched Earth massacres of domestic cities
     
    It happened once. Not "periodic". In 2012 the civil war wouldn't have started without foreign help.

    And what would Algeria look like if the Islamist rebels received foreign backing? Yes, Egypt is probably more functional than that. The oil monarchies would be difficult to topple because they have the financial resources due to oil.


    decades-long occupations of neighboring states
     
    Yes, most countries don't have Lebanon for a neighbor. But it's good to know occupying (parts of) a neighbor is a sign of "political pathology" and "grisly failure". You know, Syria then has a neighbor which also occupies or occupied large pieces of its neighbors' land for decades and so might also be a "grisly failure".

    Now the place is an utter broken down wreck and somehow the responsibility for that’s anywhere but in the hands of Syrians themselves.
     
    Syrians are certainly responsible, but I fail to see how the countries meddling there don't share that responsibility. They clearly do.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You are quite wrong. Saudi Arabia is a frigging kingdom, FFS, ruled over by a clan of former goat herders. Same think for the other Gulf monarchies. Iraq had a (probably) patrimonial dictatorship until the wonderful plan to topple it didn’t get executed. Even Mubarak’s children started to play political roles. Of course, all of them are autocracies. Arab countries are dysfunctional countries (by Western standards, at least), each one of them.

    The Saudi monarchy is a monarchy, as are the Gulf emirates. They’re an organic product of clan politics on the Arabian peninsula. The Gulf emirates are quite benign internally and externally. The Saudi regime has a severe set of social customs enforced in law (all in keeping with local tradition) but is otherwise not a troublesome place for its neighbors and generates only nuisance problems.

    I have no clue why you fancy the fascist party-states erected in Syria (in 1963) and Iraq (in 1968) are remotely comparable except that you think ‘clan politics’ is equivalent to highly sanguinary rule drawn from confessional minorities (Alawites in one place, Sunni Arabs in the other). And, of course, Syria and Iraq have been a chronic problem for any place in their gunsights. As for Mubarak’s family members, that set of maneuvers was a factor in costing him his position.

    In 2012 the civil war wouldn’t have started without foreign help.

    This is a fantasy.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Art Deco

    "Organic": they were installed by the British, or - in the case of Saudi Arabia - the result of a war. They are just as bad as the Iraqi or Syrian regimes ever were, for example Saudi Arabia has already intervened in two civil wars (Bahrain and Yemen), of which the latter is a pure aggression waged with the utmost brutality against civilians. They are even more incompetent in war than the Syrian and Iraqi regimes ever were, which is something. Talk about failure...

    Replies: @Art Deco

  383. @Stealth
    @Jefferson

    I'm from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what's left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jefferson

    “I’m from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what’s left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion.”

    Let me guess, New Orleans?

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Jefferson

    No, but not too terribly far away. Same river.

  384. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    Watch Madeleine Albright justify the random murder of 500,000 Iraqi children:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmWRlfKy4e4

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    Whoosh, duck. That was the point zooming past your head. If these savages really want to do something about the foreign policy as they claim, then blow up Madeleine Albright. That might get someone’s attention. Nobody voted for our insane foreign policy. Surely even you can figure out by now that TPTB are driving the bus, not the general public.

    But your pals would rather blow up young girls. Is that because a) they’re murderous and in it for the murder, not for any stated goals, b) cowardly, because attacking little girls is easier than attacking the people actually responsible for what they claim to be murdering people over, or b) too stupid to tell the difference? I go with some combination of all three.

    One reason we have these neocons and their ilk pushing the constant war is because they have no skin in the game. They and their children aren’t going to get hurt. Your buddies blowing up busses and concerts just further underlines that view.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    If you don't like US foreign policy, do something about it, vote them out of office, demonstrate, boycott.

    Americans cannot shirk responsibility for their elected government.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Lagertha
    @William Badwhite

    I don't know about that....the children of the Neocons, and all. I predict the Manchester "Eagles of Death" are gonna feel like cucks BECAUSE they blew up innocent, non-sexual young girls - I mean, they blew up virgins! Blowing up virgins is not a thing, right?

    Like androids/white walkers, jihadis may begin to go after the children of the elite; Jewish, Christian, Muslim, whatever...the rich ones, especially. I don't know why I sense this, but blowing up young people at an elite-like thing will be a much bigger message than targeting low and middle income kids....no one gives a rat's ass about deplorables.

    I know, this sounds really f"cked up - I did not want my sons going into NYC at Christmas...ya just never know. But, when I think about Manchester right now, I am sure there are some jihadis that regret the Grande concert bomb-fest bc it was full of pre-teens...it was, well, not very manly to kill that demographic. Harming young girls and boys is too disgusting - it's up there with drowning kittens, hitting a baby, killing grandma with a pillow.

  385. @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is "because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor, which is worth far more Pokémon points for alleged exoticism and oppression in any event."

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “The simplest answer (assuming your premises) is “because she has alrwady claims to be a Moor,”

    She self identifies as Italian, she doesn’t self identify herself as a Moor. Where is your evidence that she goes around calling herself a Moor?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    Read Syonredux's previous comment citing her claims (187).

  386. @Steve Sailer
    @William Badwhite

    Whatever else you want to say, the Boston area cops did not stint in the number of bullets they fired in the general direction of the Tsarnaev Brothers.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @reiner Tor, @Lagertha, @Lugash

    That much is true. Nonetheless I doubt prospective terrorists are thinking “man, I sure don’t want to mess with Boston…they’re Boston Strong”

  387. @neutral
    @Almost Missouri


    It will go on until either they win or we get rid of them
     
    I think it will be neither of those, what will happen is that this will increasingly be accepted as normal, kind of how the very high crime rates of countries like South Africa or Brazil are part of everyday life. These kind of events will continue to occur and the response will be the usual "we must not let them win by embracing our diversity". To answer her question, I can see this going on for decades at the very least, and probably for centuries even.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Well, perhaps, but I’m not sure that’s what your examples show. In South Africa for instance, the Bantus went from zero, to working under legal disability, to the legally sacrosanct majority holding the whip hand in every matter. That sure looks like winning to me.

  388. @Steve Sailer
    @William Badwhite

    Whatever else you want to say, the Boston area cops did not stint in the number of bullets they fired in the general direction of the Tsarnaev Brothers.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @reiner Tor, @Lagertha, @Lugash

    But then they killed exactly zero Tsarnaevs, so why does that matter?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @reiner Tor

    They killed one Tsarnaev brother, and seriously wounded the other one. Chechens are hard to kill.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  389. @reiner Tor
    @Steve Sailer

    But then they killed exactly zero Tsarnaevs, so why does that matter?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    They killed one Tsarnaev brother, and seriously wounded the other one. Chechens are hard to kill.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Dave Pinsen

    Tamerlan was probably killed not by the gunshot wounds but by the blunt trauma caused by his brother hitting him with the SUV and then dragging him for a while. Dzokhar is still alive.

    So which Tsarnaev was killed by the police?

  390. @Nico
    @Alden


    By 6/am Brit time next morning some PM was blathering about this event won’t drive us away from going to concerts and shopping etc.
     
    The most cringe-inducing, I think, was the girly Bataclan widower in his thirties and the faggot partner of the slain Champs-Élysées cop respectively calling out, "You will not have my hatred!" just days after the objects of their respective sexual fulfillments had been murdered in cold blood in the name of Allah.

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Let me assure you that if someone murders anyone close to me in an Islamic suicide attack, he and everyone else responsible (collaborators, politicians, journalists, liars) will have my hatred, and I will call out my hatred loudly, clearly and publicly.

    I will do more than “call out”.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Jim Don Bob

    Good for you, though I would of course caution against airing any specifics of one's intentions to that end.

  391. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    Whoosh, duck. That was the point zooming past your head. If these savages really want to do something about the foreign policy as they claim, then blow up Madeleine Albright. That might get someone's attention. Nobody voted for our insane foreign policy. Surely even you can figure out by now that TPTB are driving the bus, not the general public.

    But your pals would rather blow up young girls. Is that because a) they're murderous and in it for the murder, not for any stated goals, b) cowardly, because attacking little girls is easier than attacking the people actually responsible for what they claim to be murdering people over, or b) too stupid to tell the difference? I go with some combination of all three.

    One reason we have these neocons and their ilk pushing the constant war is because they have no skin in the game. They and their children aren't going to get hurt. Your buddies blowing up busses and concerts just further underlines that view.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lagertha

    If you don’t like US foreign policy, do something about it, vote them out of office, demonstrate, boycott.

    Americans cannot shirk responsibility for their elected government.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Opinionator

    We just did vote "them" out of office; the trouble is the guy we replaced them with is a lying bastard who has completely ignored the promises he made to garner our votes.

    The fundamental problem with democracy is the temporal distance between elections which scoundrels have long since learned to exploit for cash and prizes: People say all kinds of shit to get elected, then do whatever they please – more often than not the opposite of what they promised – once in office and unaccountable.

    I agree that such persons should never be re-elected, yet often are. (The other great trouble with democracy, human stupidity, is irremediable and beyond the scope of my comment.) Even if this phenomenon ceased, though, the trouble of no accountability for even a single term would continue.

    In a homogenous society (i.e., one wherein the populace had shared, rather than competing, interests, and one in which people could generally trust one another to observe shared standards of honesty and decency), modern technology makes it relatively easy to hold accountable those who lie to be elected and then violate the mandate of the electorate: such scoundrels could be removed in relatively short order, or major matters could be submitted to popular votes requiring the electorate's assent to departures from their mandates.

    Of course, the very scoundrels who practice the chicanery I describe have long since ensured no such homogenous society exists....

    Replies: @Opinionator

  392. HEL says:
    @Opinionator
    @reiner Tor

    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands and whether Muslims are responding to those aggressions. Even if there were "internal conflicts" (and what countries anywhere are without them?), it wouldn't eliminate the basic cause-and-effect phenomenon that foreign invasion usually provokes violent resistance.

    Replies: @HEL

    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands

    No one here remotely denied this you nitwit.

    Even if there were “internal conflicts” (and what countries anywhere are without them?

    Virtually all countries are not currently undergoing massive civil wars.

    Your terrorist buddies are stupid violent animals who will slaughter whatever outgroup is closest to them. The only way to prevent this is to keep the boot on their throats. We shouldn’t remove the boots from their throats, or be involved in their society in anyway. But this doesn’t change that their violent proclivities are a result of their inherent nature and the culture they create.

    • Replies: @HEL
    @HEL

    And to clarify, by not "remove the boot from their throats" I mean Western countries should not topple governments which help suppress the violent sectarianism that is inevitable in much of the ME. Neither should we support such governments. We should do nothing at all.

  393. If a white nationalist blew up a Muslim event does anyone think our intellectual and moral betters would be calling for calm, warning against stereotyping WN’s and exhorting all of us to just coexist? Or, cautioning everyone that we just need to get used to periodic attacks by WN’s? Or instructing us that the actions of those men is in no way reflective of the vast majority of whites?

    Based on the media coverage I recall of those events I think we know the answer to that.

    Anti-racist journos subscribe to collective guilt and punishment and broad brush generalizations when a member of a group they don’t like (i.e., non-self hating white people) does something bad but are all about atomization and individuality when Muslims, blacks, illegal aliens or one of their favored groups is a violent offender.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @KenH


    If a white nationalist blew up a Muslim event does anyone think our intellectual and moral betters would be calling for calm, warning against stereotyping WN’s and exhorting all of us to just coexist? Or, cautioning everyone that we just need to get used to periodic attacks by WN’s? Or instructing us that the actions of those men is in no way reflective of the vast majority of whites?
     
    Even better, they should say that this was in no way reflective of the vast majority of far right white nationalists or neo-Nazis. They could claim that Breivik has never read Mein Kampf, so he wasn't a real Nazi, and that real Nazis considered his actions just as horrible as any ordinary people. They could claim that modern Nazis in no way wanted to commit the same horrible things that are prescribed in Mein Kampf and were committed by the early Nazis. (In fact, modern Nazis actually deny that the original Nazis even committed those horrible things.)

    It would be just as true as with Muslims.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jburtonxp/status/826191022610788352
  394. @HEL
    @Opinionator


    I hope you have noticed how he has shifted the discussion away from the original issue, which is whether the United States and Israel (and Europe) have committed aggressions against Muslim homelands
     
    No one here remotely denied this you nitwit.

    Even if there were “internal conflicts” (and what countries anywhere are without them?
     
    Virtually all countries are not currently undergoing massive civil wars.

    Your terrorist buddies are stupid violent animals who will slaughter whatever outgroup is closest to them. The only way to prevent this is to keep the boot on their throats. We shouldn't remove the boots from their throats, or be involved in their society in anyway. But this doesn't change that their violent proclivities are a result of their inherent nature and the culture they create.

    Replies: @HEL

    And to clarify, by not “remove the boot from their throats” I mean Western countries should not topple governments which help suppress the violent sectarianism that is inevitable in much of the ME. Neither should we support such governments. We should do nothing at all.

  395. @Opinionator
    @William Badwhite

    If you don't like US foreign policy, do something about it, vote them out of office, demonstrate, boycott.

    Americans cannot shirk responsibility for their elected government.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    We just did vote “them” out of office; the trouble is the guy we replaced them with is a lying bastard who has completely ignored the promises he made to garner our votes.

    The fundamental problem with democracy is the temporal distance between elections which scoundrels have long since learned to exploit for cash and prizes: People say all kinds of shit to get elected, then do whatever they please – more often than not the opposite of what they promised – once in office and unaccountable.

    I agree that such persons should never be re-elected, yet often are. (The other great trouble with democracy, human stupidity, is irremediable and beyond the scope of my comment.) Even if this phenomenon ceased, though, the trouble of no accountability for even a single term would continue.

    In a homogenous society (i.e., one wherein the populace had shared, rather than competing, interests, and one in which people could generally trust one another to observe shared standards of honesty and decency), modern technology makes it relatively easy to hold accountable those who lie to be elected and then violate the mandate of the electorate: such scoundrels could be removed in relatively short order, or major matters could be submitted to popular votes requiring the electorate’s assent to departures from their mandates.

    Of course, the very scoundrels who practice the chicanery I describe have long since ensured no such homogenous society exists….

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Autochthon

    Thank you for you response.

    Aside from accountability, I feel significant obstacles present themselves in the areas of the information the electorate receives and the choices they are given in candidates. President Trump still ended up largely paying obeisance to the Zionist entity and largely scapegoating Muslims for the conflict ("radical Islamic terrorism" bullcrap), and apparently promising a military solution.

    It's not like we are electing people who offer what I would regard as a wiser foreign policy, and they later renege.

    Even granting the obstacles you and I have just enumerated, I don't think it's fair that we escape responsibly for the actions of our government. We are still in a better position to force change than are the people living in the Middle East. And I don't see how we can very well ask them to exercise forbearance in defending themselves, even with violence, as we occupy their countries and kill them off. We should bear the cost.

    Our taking responsibility and acknowleding the legitimacy of their cause may be a first step to resolve this mess.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @syonredux

  396. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    It may take "courage" to blow yourself or crash a plane (that your barbaric culture could never, in a billion years, have designed and built) but the fact remains that blowing up school kids isn't going to change any foreign policy.

    And I would argue that the US Marines that held off the Japanese (soft targets?) at Guadalcanal had a lot more courage than some wild-eyed nutcase that thinks blowing himself will finally get him laid.

    We get it - you think the West's foreign policy justifies the random murder of children. That is entirely consistent with your culture and religion's savagery and abject stupidity.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @biz

    It may take “courage” to blow yourself or crash a plane

    It actually doesn’t, not if you really believe, as these terrorists do, that there is an eternity of paradise waiting for you just on the other side of that crash.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @biz

    As if you would know. Give us a break. Soldiers have been sacrificing their lives for their country and their people for time immemorial. And we generally consider it courageous.

    Sirhan Sirham was a Christian.

    If what the Muslim resistance does didn't require courage, it would be happening with far greater frequency. Daily attacks on Westerners wherever.

    From a NYT review of book by the 9/11 Commission Co-chairs:


    In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”
     

    Replies: @biz

  397. @biz
    @William Badwhite


    It may take “courage” to blow yourself or crash a plane
     
    It actually doesn't, not if you really believe, as these terrorists do, that there is an eternity of paradise waiting for you just on the other side of that crash.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    As if you would know. Give us a break. Soldiers have been sacrificing their lives for their country and their people for time immemorial. And we generally consider it courageous.

    Sirhan Sirham was a Christian.

    If what the Muslim resistance does didn’t require courage, it would be happening with far greater frequency. Daily attacks on Westerners wherever.

    From a NYT review of book by the 9/11 Commission Co-chairs:

    In looking into the background of the hijackers, the staff found that religious orthodoxy was not a common denominator since some of the members “reportedly even consumed alcohol and abused drugs.” Others engaged in casual sex. Instead, hatred of American foreign policy in the Middle East seemed to be the key factor. Speaking to the F.B.I. agents who investigated the attacks, Hamilton asked: “You’ve looked [at] and examined the lives of these people as closely as anybody. . . . What have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?”

    These questions fell to Supervisory Special Agent James Fitzgerald. “I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States,” he said. “They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States.” As if to reinforce the point, the commission discovered that the original plan for 9/11 envisioned an even larger attack. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the strategist of the 9/11 plot, “was going to fly the final plane, land it and make ‘a speech denouncing U.S. policies in the Middle East,’” Kean and Hamilton say, quoting a staff statement. And they continue: “Lee felt that there had to be an acknowledgment that a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was vital to America’s long-term relationship with the Islamic world, and that the presence of American forces in the Middle East was a major motivating factor in Al Qaeda’s actions.”

    • Replies: @biz
    @Opinionator

    Sirhan Sirhan didn't kill himself, and didn't think he was going to get an immediate eternity in paradise. His act, as much as I disagree with it, actually did take some courage, because he knew the consequences could be jail time, or death at which point his would be judged by Jesus or his staff.

    But Islamic suicide terrorists believe there is an automatic eternity in paradise surrounded by 72 virgins waiting for them immediately on the other side of that bombing. And they believe this whether they are attacking Western targets or non-Western infidels in Thailand, Philippines, Kenya, or anywhere else. It does not take courage to get yourself an immediate and automatic eternity in paradise.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  398. @Jefferson
    @Stealth

    "I’m from an area of the Deep South that for some reason has a lot of variety within (what’s left of) its white population. Italian surnames are as common as stop signs here. A lot of the names are pronounced in a lazy southern fashion."

    Let me guess, New Orleans?

    Replies: @Stealth

    No, but not too terribly far away. Same river.

  399. @Autochthon
    @Opinionator

    We just did vote "them" out of office; the trouble is the guy we replaced them with is a lying bastard who has completely ignored the promises he made to garner our votes.

    The fundamental problem with democracy is the temporal distance between elections which scoundrels have long since learned to exploit for cash and prizes: People say all kinds of shit to get elected, then do whatever they please – more often than not the opposite of what they promised – once in office and unaccountable.

    I agree that such persons should never be re-elected, yet often are. (The other great trouble with democracy, human stupidity, is irremediable and beyond the scope of my comment.) Even if this phenomenon ceased, though, the trouble of no accountability for even a single term would continue.

    In a homogenous society (i.e., one wherein the populace had shared, rather than competing, interests, and one in which people could generally trust one another to observe shared standards of honesty and decency), modern technology makes it relatively easy to hold accountable those who lie to be elected and then violate the mandate of the electorate: such scoundrels could be removed in relatively short order, or major matters could be submitted to popular votes requiring the electorate's assent to departures from their mandates.

    Of course, the very scoundrels who practice the chicanery I describe have long since ensured no such homogenous society exists....

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Thank you for you response.

    Aside from accountability, I feel significant obstacles present themselves in the areas of the information the electorate receives and the choices they are given in candidates. President Trump still ended up largely paying obeisance to the Zionist entity and largely scapegoating Muslims for the conflict (“radical Islamic terrorism” bullcrap), and apparently promising a military solution.

    It’s not like we are electing people who offer what I would regard as a wiser foreign policy, and they later renege.

    Even granting the obstacles you and I have just enumerated, I don’t think it’s fair that we escape responsibly for the actions of our government. We are still in a better position to force change than are the people living in the Middle East. And I don’t see how we can very well ask them to exercise forbearance in defending themselves, even with violence, as we occupy their countries and kill them off. We should bear the cost.

    Our taking responsibility and acknowleding the legitimacy of their cause may be a first step to resolve this mess.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Opinionator

    your last line is what causes the greatest confusion for me for the last 30 years. In my opinion, we don't need the oil anymore; and, should completely withdraw from the ME. End all financial support of any regimes in the region. Just abandon ship/get the heck out, completely, forever..that's what OBL wanted. Let them figure out the Sunni/Shia boring conflict of bull shit.

    I just want all Americans out of the ME. Just leave..give up years of intervention and manipulation. The upshot would be: no more justification to say, blow up teen concert goers; or stabby Somalis attacking shoppers in US malls; killing gays at night clubs. UK/USA would cease to occupy and subjugate ME.

    I want my taxpayer money taking care of the vital issues in the USA, not worrying about the issues of the ME. Get Out, indeed. I want and crave isolationism...true peace.

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    We are still in a better position to force change than are the people living in the Middle East. And I don’t see how we can very well ask them to exercise forbearance in defending themselves, even with violence,
     
    You've really crystallized something for me. Violence is the ultimate test of belonging. If a Muslim living in a Western country decides to inflict violence on Westerners because the West has inflicted violence on Muslim countries, he has failed the test. Regardless of citizenship, he is not one of us. He is the enemy.

    Replies: @Matra, @Opinionator

  400. @Johan Schmidt
    This might be seen as a troll, if so, fair enough. But all the same, if things don't change, this might be the turning point after which reactionaries really start to get their heads around the idea of adopting Islam in order to destroy it, in accordance with the Halloween Papers. Agree and amplify. Embrace, extend, extinguish.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    well, duh, the “extinguish” part, is problematic. Our laws against murder prevent that.

  401. @William Badwhite
    @Opinionator

    Whoosh, duck. That was the point zooming past your head. If these savages really want to do something about the foreign policy as they claim, then blow up Madeleine Albright. That might get someone's attention. Nobody voted for our insane foreign policy. Surely even you can figure out by now that TPTB are driving the bus, not the general public.

    But your pals would rather blow up young girls. Is that because a) they're murderous and in it for the murder, not for any stated goals, b) cowardly, because attacking little girls is easier than attacking the people actually responsible for what they claim to be murdering people over, or b) too stupid to tell the difference? I go with some combination of all three.

    One reason we have these neocons and their ilk pushing the constant war is because they have no skin in the game. They and their children aren't going to get hurt. Your buddies blowing up busses and concerts just further underlines that view.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Lagertha

    I don’t know about that….the children of the Neocons, and all. I predict the Manchester “Eagles of Death” are gonna feel like cucks BECAUSE they blew up innocent, non-sexual young girls – I mean, they blew up virgins! Blowing up virgins is not a thing, right?

    Like androids/white walkers, jihadis may begin to go after the children of the elite; Jewish, Christian, Muslim, whatever…the rich ones, especially. I don’t know why I sense this, but blowing up young people at an elite-like thing will be a much bigger message than targeting low and middle income kids….no one gives a rat’s ass about deplorables.

    I know, this sounds really f”cked up – I did not want my sons going into NYC at Christmas…ya just never know. But, when I think about Manchester right now, I am sure there are some jihadis that regret the Grande concert bomb-fest bc it was full of pre-teens…it was, well, not very manly to kill that demographic. Harming young girls and boys is too disgusting – it’s up there with drowning kittens, hitting a baby, killing grandma with a pillow.

  402. @Steve Sailer
    @William Badwhite

    Whatever else you want to say, the Boston area cops did not stint in the number of bullets they fired in the general direction of the Tsarnaev Brothers.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @reiner Tor, @Lagertha, @Lugash

    The cops in the East Coast cities are still locked into the 1880’s as far as having a propensity to react explosively. Even though, many are not “fighting Irish,” anymore, the aura continues. And, New England is full of very strict demographic lines/categories/classes, that no matter what, will not be crossed or changed. People are very socially rigid/aloof here…they loathe strangers/outsiders…and despise small talk. Can’t wait to retire elsewhere!

  403. Fox had pictures of most of the victims. None had noticeable make up on. The hairstyles were either childlish ponytails or shoulder length in very simple, natural styles. Some of the tops were in bright colors which are against sharia law. But the neck lines were very modest, no cleavage. Some of the necklines showed collarbones. All the tops exposed the full neck. Those kind of necklines are also against sharia law.

    I know MW and Reiner Tor consider bright colors and exposed necks slutty but normal people don’t. Take a good look at pictures of the victims who you consider to be sluts.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    OK.


    I know MW and Reiner Tor consider bright colors and exposed necks slutty
     
    Can you provide links to the comments where I wrote that I considered these "slutty"? Or how do you "know" this?

    Please note that you are keeping this discussion alive.

    Replies: @Autochthon

  404. @Opinionator
    @Autochthon

    Thank you for you response.

    Aside from accountability, I feel significant obstacles present themselves in the areas of the information the electorate receives and the choices they are given in candidates. President Trump still ended up largely paying obeisance to the Zionist entity and largely scapegoating Muslims for the conflict ("radical Islamic terrorism" bullcrap), and apparently promising a military solution.

    It's not like we are electing people who offer what I would regard as a wiser foreign policy, and they later renege.

    Even granting the obstacles you and I have just enumerated, I don't think it's fair that we escape responsibly for the actions of our government. We are still in a better position to force change than are the people living in the Middle East. And I don't see how we can very well ask them to exercise forbearance in defending themselves, even with violence, as we occupy their countries and kill them off. We should bear the cost.

    Our taking responsibility and acknowleding the legitimacy of their cause may be a first step to resolve this mess.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @syonredux

    your last line is what causes the greatest confusion for me for the last 30 years. In my opinion, we don’t need the oil anymore; and, should completely withdraw from the ME. End all financial support of any regimes in the region. Just abandon ship/get the heck out, completely, forever..that’s what OBL wanted. Let them figure out the Sunni/Shia boring conflict of bull shit.

    I just want all Americans out of the ME. Just leave..give up years of intervention and manipulation. The upshot would be: no more justification to say, blow up teen concert goers; or stabby Somalis attacking shoppers in US malls; killing gays at night clubs. UK/USA would cease to occupy and subjugate ME.

    I want my taxpayer money taking care of the vital issues in the USA, not worrying about the issues of the ME. Get Out, indeed. I want and crave isolationism…true peace.

  405. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    In the world which exists only between your two ears, perhaps. Out here in meatworld, American troops have never been deployed in Israel

    Witness the sophistry. We wouldn't expect American and European forces fighting Israel's wars for it to be actually deployed inside Israel. Although plenty of U.S.-origin technology and materiel is located there and is now owned by Israel, courtesy of American taxpayers.

    Replies: @Alden

    For the 1973 war Nixon and Kissenger airlifted every single tank we had in Western Europe to Israel along with the tank crews.

    1973 was the height of the Cold War and had the soviet dictator wanted, they could have invaded from E. Germany, Czechoslovakia Hungary and other countries that shared borders with W. Europe.

    So we sacrificed our NATO commitment to fight Israel’s war. None of the tanks, spare parts etc were returned of course.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Alden

    Do you have a link or any other piece of evidence for that statement?

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Art Deco
    @Alden

    For the 1973 war Nixon and Kissenger airlifted every single tank we had in Western Europe to Israel along with the tank crews.

    In your imagination only. What gave you the idea that the Israel Defense Force would have had the manpower to operate all that equipment? And, no, there were no occidental troops in the Sinai in 1973.

    Replies: @Alden

  406. @Opinionator
    @reiner Tor

    Muslims are not bad.

    Incidentally, their views on female modesty accord to some extent with your own.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    It’s too late, maybe just for me. People may never admit it, but everyone believes Muslims are bad/or will slit your throat if you disagree with them, sorry. I have felt like this since the 70’s when I was assaulted by Muslim men (several times while traveling/walking/sightseeing in France – minding my own business, btw). There is an “other” thing to them; only the men (I guess I am only fearful of Muslim men/I’m a misandrist! haha) creep me out….I feel sorry for the women and children. Of course, I know some University-educated men and women who do not defend the primitive violence that is escalating month after month among their ethnic group. Shiite Muslims don’t attack/kill Europeans and Americans like Sunnis do…confusing.

  407. @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    You are quite wrong if you don't understand how the toxic culture (which teaches 8-year-olds to ride the dick bicycle and to have wrist icicles) is contributing to all the other problems. Hollywood and the rest of the filthy "entertainment" industry are deliberately poisoning us.

    You don't need to be super-conservative to understand that explicitly sexual content should be reserved for adults only, that's been the rule throughout the West since the late Roman Empire, and it's for good reasons that it's always been like this. I don't wish a return of Victorian mores, but it's easy to understand that they were superior than what we have now. Low fertility and sexual hedonism are not sustainable, and they are sold to us to weaken us, so that we won't resist demographic replacement.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    In Victorian times England had a very high and very visible number of very young, as young as 6 child prostitues, girls and boys. These children openly solicited on the public streets and nothing was done. Foreigners were appalled as their travel journal attest. American soldiers in WWs 1&2 noticed there were vastly more street prostitutes in England than on the continent.

    Ask Mr Google if you want sources.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Alden

    OK.

  408. @szopen
    The latest spin in posts by my liberal friends: it is an attack of patriarchal ideology on innocent young women, fighting for gender equality and freedom of sexuality expression.

    Cause, you know, Catholics, conservatives, islamists, they are all part of the same united front which just wants to attack the feminism.

    Replies: @Alden

    I’m not surprised.

    What is unusual is that the feminazis admit the bomber and his co conspirators are Muslims. For a long time feminazi fantasy and falsehood theory claimed that Asian, Hindu, Muslim and primitive women were far more liberated and free that Christian European and American women.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    For a long time feminazi fantasy and falsehood theory claimed that

    I don't think you're going to find any polemicists inside or outside the academy who ever claimed that, certainly not anyone with an audience beyond pseudo-academic journals with three-digit subscription lists. What's notable about occidental feminists is their absence of comparative perspective over space and over time and their tendency to caricature the past in their own society. Gloria Steinem was one of the few prominent journalistic feminists who manifested any knowledge of the world abroad. Steinem published a guidebook about India (where she'd lived for a year) ca. 1958. I'm not sure she did any travel writing after that.

  409. @Dave Pinsen
    @reiner Tor

    They killed one Tsarnaev brother, and seriously wounded the other one. Chechens are hard to kill.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Tamerlan was probably killed not by the gunshot wounds but by the blunt trauma caused by his brother hitting him with the SUV and then dragging him for a while. Dzokhar is still alive.

    So which Tsarnaev was killed by the police?

  410. @KenH
    If a white nationalist blew up a Muslim event does anyone think our intellectual and moral betters would be calling for calm, warning against stereotyping WN's and exhorting all of us to just coexist? Or, cautioning everyone that we just need to get used to periodic attacks by WN's? Or instructing us that the actions of those men is in no way reflective of the vast majority of whites?

    Based on the media coverage I recall of those events I think we know the answer to that.

    Anti-racist journos subscribe to collective guilt and punishment and broad brush generalizations when a member of a group they don't like (i.e., non-self hating white people) does something bad but are all about atomization and individuality when Muslims, blacks, illegal aliens or one of their favored groups is a violent offender.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    If a white nationalist blew up a Muslim event does anyone think our intellectual and moral betters would be calling for calm, warning against stereotyping WN’s and exhorting all of us to just coexist? Or, cautioning everyone that we just need to get used to periodic attacks by WN’s? Or instructing us that the actions of those men is in no way reflective of the vast majority of whites?

    Even better, they should say that this was in no way reflective of the vast majority of far right white nationalists or neo-Nazis. They could claim that Breivik has never read Mein Kampf, so he wasn’t a real Nazi, and that real Nazis considered his actions just as horrible as any ordinary people. They could claim that modern Nazis in no way wanted to commit the same horrible things that are prescribed in Mein Kampf and were committed by the early Nazis. (In fact, modern Nazis actually deny that the original Nazis even committed those horrible things.)

    It would be just as true as with Muslims.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jburtonxp/status/826191022610788352

  411. @Alden
    @reiner Tor

    In Victorian times England had a very high and very visible number of very young, as young as 6 child prostitues, girls and boys. These children openly solicited on the public streets and nothing was done. Foreigners were appalled as their travel journal attest. American soldiers in WWs 1&2 noticed there were vastly more street prostitutes in England than on the continent.

    Ask Mr Google if you want sources.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    OK.

  412. @Alden
    Fox had pictures of most of the victims. None had noticeable make up on. The hairstyles were either childlish ponytails or shoulder length in very simple, natural styles. Some of the tops were in bright colors which are against sharia law. But the neck lines were very modest, no cleavage. Some of the necklines showed collarbones. All the tops exposed the full neck. Those kind of necklines are also against sharia law.

    I know MW and Reiner Tor consider bright colors and exposed necks slutty but normal people don't. Take a good look at pictures of the victims who you consider to be sluts.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    OK.

    I know MW and Reiner Tor consider bright colors and exposed necks slutty

    Can you provide links to the comments where I wrote that I considered these “slutty”? Or how do you “know” this?

    Please note that you are keeping this discussion alive.

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