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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

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Steve Sailer

May 18, 2022

Sadly, mass shootings are back in the news with the second Dylann Roof-style white-racist-on-black-innocents mass shooting of the past seven years, this one not in a Charleston church but in a Buffalo supermarket.

But despite all the chatter about mass shootings, almost nobody understands the different types of them, so public discussion makes little progress.

Thus, tens of millions of Americans assume, having been reminded over and over again by the media about a handful of canonical cases, that mass shootings are the doings of rifle-wielding angry young white men. These white supremacist terrorists are, we are informed, the worst security threat facing America. Something must be done, such as junking the first two amendments to the Constitution.

But, for instance, just how many mass shootings are there? The leftist magazine Mother Jones keeps a carefully curated list of the most stereotypical mass shootings, the kind that get lengthy thinkpieces written about them in the national press, and counted only six in 2021, or one every two months. In contrast, Gun Violence Archive, counting every local police blotter item in which four or more people were struck by bullets, listed 693 mass shootings in 2021, or almost two per day.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. anonymous[675] • Disclaimer says:

    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    The killer was an easily manipulated lonely kid who had been worked on for months by someone using the name "Armand." Along the way he accurately quoted government and academic statistics, none of which lead anyone to murder powerless non-immigrant working class black ADOS. The question to ask isn't how do we ban math, it's who is this Armand, plus how is the FBI spying on us but they totally skip the kid who explicitly decribes his daily terrorism training, saying where and when he will be that day, and on one day all but invited a no-knock raid?

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @anonymous

    Someone needs to tell this Mr Cohen that this thing he (and the rest of the MSM) calls a theory has already come to pass, and all that's really left at this point is the mopping-up operation. Of which, needless to add, he is a part.

    , @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    ... how is anyone calling past statistics a "theory"? Do they think the statistics are fake? Do they think the academics and bureaucrats who compiled them are lying? Do they think that populations can continue without anyone having kids?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    Yes, Tucker Carlson might be challenging people to do something. He doesn't tell them to go shoot up crowds in grocery stores. That is unlike the case with the black militants throughout the years, the modern anti-White White people, and the useful idiot Commies in the antifa. Those people explicit in challenging people to do violence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Prester John

    , @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    What is the reasoning of calling for censorship (or punishing speech, which in case you are confused is still censorship) for fear of crazy behavior from crazy people? If they're crazy, then how would anyone definitely establish causation from That Guy You Already Didn't Like, and not a hallucination?

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @anonymous


    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.
     
    So you agree that White guys who go on TV and acknowledge White racial replacement are responsible for the mass murder in Buffalo? And what about smirking Jews sitting next to those White guys? What should the Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board do about powerful people pushing White Replacement Theory? Here’s mass-murder inciters Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas in 2015:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgrliuQW_-Q

    Original source:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?324394-2/vice-president-joe-biden-remarks-extremism-terrorism

    , @jsm
    @anonymous

    So are you the same Anonymous who was claiming 20 years ago that violent video games like Mortal Kombat don't cause young men to act out?

    , @Tiny Duck
    @anonymous

    Totally agree

    Tucker Carlson is a stochastic terrorist and needs to be deplatformed and maybe imprisoned.

    No one is trying to replace white people for the love of God. How do people living in a 1st world wealthy country with every possible right &freedom embrace the idea that everyone is out to get them? I guess Tucker Carlson tells them every day and despite reality, they believe it

    Besides demographic change is inevitable so thankfully these crybabies will be swapped out for a more diverse and vibrant population.

    , @AnotherDad
    @anonymous


    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.
     
    Or ... of course, the hostile and genocidal assholes who can't stop keep promoting the mass invasion of my nation which
    -- drives down wages
    -- drives up unemployment
    -- drives up housing prices
    -- reduces school quality
    -- breaks community cohesion
    -- makes lots of Americans have to flee their homes and communities
    -- drives up traffic and congestion
    -- drives up taxes
    -- destroys more and more open space
    -- pumps out more CO2
    -- creates more trash, more litter, dirtier neighborhoods
    -- stresses the environment
    -- erodes republican democracy
    -- balkanizes the American nation
    -- makes America dumber and less conscientious
    -- destroys the future of "our posterity"

    ... as a moral good, they could just stop it!
    , @MEH 0910
    @anonymous

    Rod Dreher:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tucker-carlson-not-surrendering-liberal-hypocrites/


    I’m thrilled that Tucker Carlson isn’t doing the usual right-wing thing and crumpling in the face of bad-faith attacks from the media and Democrats. Watch this 15-minute monologue from him last night, throwing the “Great Replacement” smears back in their faces.
     
  2. The church shooting in LA is only the beginning.
    Can expect Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Hindu, Armenian-Turk battles on American streets in the years to come.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Escher

    About 20 years ago, an old Armenian guy was caught trying to dynamite a community center in a Turkish- heavy neighborhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Escher

    Yep, Peak Stupidity was all over this 3 years ago - see "Importing a civil war, in Sweden". There's absolutely no reason we can't have the same here.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Dmon
    @Escher

    Oh, you're just saying that to cheer me up.

    , @Dave from Oz
    @Escher

    The reason that the Snowy Mountains hydroelectric scheme had a horrific workplace death rate is that the Serbs and the Croats were outright murdering one another.

  3. Do not try to read his online manifesto.

    It’s just an idiot cut-and-paste job and almost makes me think somebody framed him. If he’s dumb enough to claim he wrote it, he’s got a hanging offense right there.

  4. Lyingpress template mass shootings (ie, of random passerby, by a white nerd, using a rifle) are still far more rare than almost any other sort of violent death, and would not be thought of as a phenomenon without constant and dishonest mass media effort, such as the kind that goes into obscuring black on black mass shootings in Chicago.

  5. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    The killer was an easily manipulated lonely kid who had been worked on for months by someone using the name “Armand.” Along the way he accurately quoted government and academic statistics, none of which lead anyone to murder powerless non-immigrant working class black ADOS. The question to ask isn’t how do we ban math, it’s who is this Armand, plus how is the FBI spying on us but they totally skip the kid who explicitly decribes his daily terrorism training, saying where and when he will be that day, and on one day all but invited a no-knock raid?

  6. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Someone needs to tell this Mr Cohen that this thing he (and the rest of the MSM) calls a theory has already come to pass, and all that’s really left at this point is the mopping-up operation. Of which, needless to add, he is a part.

  7. @Escher
    The church shooting in LA is only the beginning.
    Can expect Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Hindu, Armenian-Turk battles on American streets in the years to come.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Dmon, @Dave from Oz

    About 20 years ago, an old Armenian guy was caught trying to dynamite a community center in a Turkish- heavy neighborhood.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck farmer

    When I was at UCLA in the early 1980s, the head of the Turkish consulate in L.A. was gunned down on Wilshire Blvd. by Armenian extremists.

  8. And reporters wonder why many people don’t care when they “get killed trying to inform the public”.

  9. A quibble on robot deaths: what is a robot? Does Hellfire drone strikes count? What about automated bomb sights in WW2?
    (I know nothing about bomb sights so if they were not robots, so be it).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hodag

    In a sense, the Norden bombsight was a robot. The operator would aim the bombsight's telescope at a certain target and input certain parameters such as wind speed and direction, the bombsight's autopilot would take control of the plane to steer it to that target and when the target point was reached, the Norden would automatically dropped the bombs.

    At least that was how it was supposed to work in principle. Before it was built, Norden claimed that the bombsight would be accurate to 75 feet , which would have made it good enough to hit individual ships, bridges, etc. Based on this, the USG spent a billion $ (equivalent to the cost of the Manhattan Project - in those days a billion $ was a lot of $) on the bombsights. In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good - the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  10. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    … how is anyone calling past statistics a “theory”? Do they think the statistics are fake? Do they think the academics and bureaucrats who compiled them are lying? Do they think that populations can continue without anyone having kids?

  11. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Yes, Tucker Carlson might be challenging people to do something. He doesn’t tell them to go shoot up crowds in grocery stores. That is unlike the case with the black militants throughout the years, the modern anti-White White people, and the useful idiot Commies in the antifa. Those people explicit in challenging people to do violence.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If the Buffalo mass murderer's manifesto had offered "I loathe rainy days" as his motivation, would windshield wipers need to be outlawed?

    .
    And what about "I don't like Mondays"?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mike Tre

    , @Prester John
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Absolutely! Except...you shouldn't have to point out the obvious re: Carlson. That should be a priori self-evident. On second thought-- and considering what we're dealing with (and here I'm thinking of the kind of people who get their news from watching "The View")-- maybe you do.

  12. Good piece, Mr iSteve.

    It makes me wonder: we haven’t had a big Islamic mass-killing in the West for a while – the sort where Abdul mows down a crowd with a lorry, or blows up a tube train. Why?

    If my memory serves (which it sometimes doesn’t) our most recent multiple-death Moslem attack in Britain was defeated by a hero armed with a narwhal tusk. And the terrorist used a knife though he was wearing a fake explosive vest.

    The hero was a murderer, out from jail for a rehabilitation meeting. He was rewarded with a Royal pardon.

    • Replies: @GA On My Mind
    @dearieme

    2020 Vienna: 4 killed, 23 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Vienna_attack

    2017 Barcelona: 13 killed, 130 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_attacks

    2017 London Bridge: 8 killed, 48 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack

    2017 Manchester: 23 killed, 1017 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

    2017 Stockholm: 5 killed, 14 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_truck_attack

    2017 Istanbul: 39 killed, 79 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_nightclub_shooting

    2016 Berlin: 12 killed, 56 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack

    2016 Gaziantep (Turkey): 57 killed, 66 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2016_Gaziantep_bombing

    2016 Nice: 86 killed, 458 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

    2016 Istanbul: 45 killed, 230 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport_attack

    Brussels: 32 killed, 300+ wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings

    2015 Paris: 130 killed, 352 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

  13. @Escher
    The church shooting in LA is only the beginning.
    Can expect Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Hindu, Armenian-Turk battles on American streets in the years to come.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Dmon, @Dave from Oz

    Yep, Peak Stupidity was all over this 3 years ago – see “Importing a civil war, in Sweden”. There’s absolutely no reason we can’t have the same here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Indeed, the Great Replacement is upon us. A GOP candidate counting on mail in ballots to win. I call instant fraud. What say you?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1526769453806956544

    Replies: @Jack D

  14. The funniest part about using the rare on-Narrative mass shootings is that on-Narrative mass shootings are a great argument for traditional Constitutional positions.
    — ONMS are rare and therefore a terrible basis for any law.
    — ONMS almost always in blue states, blue cities, or ultra-blue locales like universities, where every nonsensical, un-Constitutional gun control experiment is already in effect.
    — ONMS are simply not possible where everyone can shoot back.
    — The record of the federal government in OMNS is abysmal: never helpful, often enabling, and sometimes causative.
    — OMNS depend on the stereotype of the nerd to invite herd hatred toward the perpetrator: the accusation is less murder (which leftists, and especially journalists, do not consider to be a crime) and more a failure of masculinity. Leftists both hate masculinity and those men dumb enough to think the answer is to be unmasculine; the correct answer is to not care what the lyingpress says it wants. However, if anything could heal our archetypical pre-event shooter’s nebbishkeit, surely it would be a mustached 70s dad encouraging physical, outdoor, and firearm culture, especially in engagement with others. The government’s answer is further isolation and inactivity plus mind-destroying drugs.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @J.Ross

    As pretty much everyone understands: those who rely on 'law enforcement' for protection from mass shooters (either on- or off-narrative), are setting themselves up for a situation where every second matters, and the 'first responders' will be there in a few minutes.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  15. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    What is the reasoning of calling for censorship (or punishing speech, which in case you are confused is still censorship) for fear of crazy behavior from crazy people? If they’re crazy, then how would anyone definitely establish causation from That Guy You Already Didn’t Like, and not a hallucination?

  16. Mass shootings are great, the government loves them.

    In fact it hands out medals to guys who do them — as long as they are in a government uniform and they go to foreign countries that never invaded the U.S. and shoot Germans, Koreans, Vietnamese, Arabs, or whoever the enemy du jour happens to be in Big Brother’s perpetual war against Eastasia.

    Mass shooter Alvin York got the Medal of Honor for killing 28 Germans, it’s a beautiful thing I guess.

  17. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    Yes, Tucker Carlson might be challenging people to do something. He doesn't tell them to go shoot up crowds in grocery stores. That is unlike the case with the black militants throughout the years, the modern anti-White White people, and the useful idiot Commies in the antifa. Those people explicit in challenging people to do violence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Prester John

    If the Buffalo mass murderer’s manifesto had offered “I loathe rainy days” as his motivation, would windshield wipers need to be outlawed?

    .
    And what about “I don’t like Mondays”?

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @ic1000

    Hangin' around, nothing to do but frown,
    Population replacement always gets me down ...


    Thanks for the Carpenters reference, IC.

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @Mike Tre
    @ic1000

    I go postal* every Monday at work.

    *In my mind.

  18. Black mass shootings are journalistically boring, white mass shootings are journalistically interesting. You can get way more content out of the latter than the former.

    We have internalized a certain level of black undertow violence and dysfunction, whereas we have not with whites. Which means that, considering the two mass shootings that happened within 24 hours of each other this past weekend, we’re not surprised at Milwaukee but very shocked at Buffalo.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @countenance

    As seen in how nobody watched Boyz-in-the-Hood or Menace II Society or The Wire or The Shield or Homicide. Come on. MSNBC does audience appeal calculations? What are you smoking? If anything it's the other way because careful examination of white shooters complicates their narrative.

  19. @ic1000
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If the Buffalo mass murderer's manifesto had offered "I loathe rainy days" as his motivation, would windshield wipers need to be outlawed?

    .
    And what about "I don't like Mondays"?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mike Tre

    Hangin’ around, nothing to do but frown,
    Population replacement always gets me down …

    Thanks for the Carpenters reference, IC.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Achmed E. Newman

    > Thanks for the Carpenters reference, IC.

    +1 for Achmed (he knew I was alluding to some rats).


    Hangin' around (hangin' around)
    Nothin' to do but frown murder a buncha strangers
    Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
     
  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    Yes, Tucker Carlson might be challenging people to do something. He doesn't tell them to go shoot up crowds in grocery stores. That is unlike the case with the black militants throughout the years, the modern anti-White White people, and the useful idiot Commies in the antifa. Those people explicit in challenging people to do violence.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Prester John

    Absolutely! Except…you shouldn’t have to point out the obvious re: Carlson. That should be a priori self-evident. On second thought– and considering what we’re dealing with (and here I’m thinking of the kind of people who get their news from watching “The View”)– maybe you do.

  21. @countenance
    Black mass shootings are journalistically boring, white mass shootings are journalistically interesting. You can get way more content out of the latter than the former.

    We have internalized a certain level of black undertow violence and dysfunction, whereas we have not with whites. Which means that, considering the two mass shootings that happened within 24 hours of each other this past weekend, we're not surprised at Milwaukee but very shocked at Buffalo.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    As seen in how nobody watched Boyz-in-the-Hood or Menace II Society or The Wire or The Shield or Homicide. Come on. MSNBC does audience appeal calculations? What are you smoking? If anything it’s the other way because careful examination of white shooters complicates their narrative.

  22. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    So you agree that White guys who go on TV and acknowledge White racial replacement are responsible for the mass murder in Buffalo? And what about smirking Jews sitting next to those White guys? What should the Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board do about powerful people pushing White Replacement Theory? Here’s mass-murder inciters Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas in 2015:

    Original source:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?324394-2/vice-president-joe-biden-remarks-extremism-terrorism

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  23. @ic1000
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If the Buffalo mass murderer's manifesto had offered "I loathe rainy days" as his motivation, would windshield wipers need to be outlawed?

    .
    And what about "I don't like Mondays"?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mike Tre

    I go postal* every Monday at work.

    *In my mind.

  24. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    So are you the same Anonymous who was claiming 20 years ago that violent video games like Mortal Kombat don’t cause young men to act out?

  25. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Totally agree

    Tucker Carlson is a stochastic terrorist and needs to be deplatformed and maybe imprisoned.

    No one is trying to replace white people for the love of God. How do people living in a 1st world wealthy country with every possible right &freedom embrace the idea that everyone is out to get them? I guess Tucker Carlson tells them every day and despite reality, they believe it

    Besides demographic change is inevitable so thankfully these crybabies will be swapped out for a more diverse and vibrant population.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • LOL: Charon, Goddard, MEH 0910
  26. You forgot to discuss Waukesha, not a gun, but a car

  27. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    Or … of course, the hostile and genocidal assholes who can’t stop keep promoting the mass invasion of my nation which
    — drives down wages
    — drives up unemployment
    — drives up housing prices
    — reduces school quality
    — breaks community cohesion
    — makes lots of Americans have to flee their homes and communities
    — drives up traffic and congestion
    — drives up taxes
    — destroys more and more open space
    — pumps out more CO2
    — creates more trash, more litter, dirtier neighborhoods
    — stresses the environment
    — erodes republican democracy
    — balkanizes the American nation
    — makes America dumber and less conscientious
    — destroys the future of “our posterity”

    … as a moral good, they could just stop it!

  28. This is stuff you do well Steve, but if you just copyrighted “Sailers Law” perhaps it might be less repetitive.
    A few years ago on The History Channel they did a little re-enactment of the gunfight at the OK Corral where the Good Guys prevailed even though outnumbered ( A detail mentioned was that the lot on which it occurred was only 18 feet wide). They went through the order and number of shots and concluded that the margin of victory was due to the difference between firing and aiming.
    Being the first guy with a shot after drawing the pistol has a 1 in 5 chance of a hit. Drawing, aiming and firing 100% accurate. One is shooting from the hip, one not.
    Racial stereotypes win again.

  29. I’ll take a poke on the “lone gunman” type (non-black) mass shooters:

    — decline of religion–eroding restraints
    — destruction of sense community and nation
    — rising number of incels–feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation, delayed/missing marriage
    — shitty job prospects–immigration, offshoring, female careerism
    — divorce–dysfunctional family backgrounds
    — smaller families
    — dysgenics–rising mutational load

    • Agree: Goddard
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter. He was only 18 so it was too soon to speculate about his job and marriage prospects (he was not exactly handsome but neither was his dad and he had a wife and a job). He was the product of a stable family with two parents and two younger siblings. If you used your profile to identify him, you would have missed him but found 100 others who fit the profile better but who were in fact no threat to anyone.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/buffalo-shooting-social-036a.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1536

    Replies: @kahein, @AnotherDad

    , @kahein
    @AnotherDad

    i'll take a poke at pointing out that you're likely too dumb to understand that that's basically a straightforward freudian interpretation of this psycho-killer's motivations: a foul whitish broth of castration anxiety and status-driven resentment, fueled by narcissistic fantasies of thwarted privilege and indeed, birthright. does that sound close?

    but if you look just a tiny bit closer you see that this is basically nothing but a slightly pathologized version of the normal crap any normal-iq-ed indo-european male might feel on a normal day-to-day basis: everpresent status anxiety and eternal competition for positional goods, especially erotic positional goods

    is it possible that this is merely the standard way the indo-european psyche devolves -- into "psychosis," as it were? a way that, above all, involves calculation and the reality-principle?

    much in the same way that sub-saharan genetics privilege the messy and scattershot expulsion of violence in an immediate timeframe?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    , @Old Prude
    @AnotherDad

    The gratuitous violence in popular culture must surely have a coarsening effect. I am repelled by the gore, but judging from the popularity of Tarantino and his blood-fests, I am in a minority.

    The curators of our culture are priggish about bullying but celebrates movies of obscene violence. That can't be healthy. These people, (I am not one of them; I am a prude, not a prig) treat inconsequential matters, like smoking with near-fanatical consistency. Scorned in public and in art. Screen violence is ubiquitous.

    Straining on gnats and swallowing camels.

    This kid probably senses the very real fact that the political classes, the elite institutions do not give a fig about the welfare of common people like him, and feels the frustration and anger of helplessness in the face of a massive and successful campaign to marginalize and disenfranchise him.

    What to do? Well, more than a decade of watching Netflix, HBO and Prime gave him plenty of ideas.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad

    I don't think so. I think the model we should look at is that Norwegian who shot up Norwegian kids. He was quite explicit that he believed his act would help wake people up. I think this is the basic motivation. Young white guys without enough experience of /perspective on the world to realize that as soon as their 15 minutes of fame are up, everybody forgets their manifesto and the world moves on.

  30. The extra shots leading to more wounded are intended to suppress return fire and cause mass panic, improving the chances of a clean getaway. That, and the shooter is so vibrant, some shots go astray.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Ralph L

    Vibrant shooter. Nice.

  31. @Escher
    The church shooting in LA is only the beginning.
    Can expect Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Hindu, Armenian-Turk battles on American streets in the years to come.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Dmon, @Dave from Oz

    Oh, you’re just saying that to cheer me up.

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  32. The Buffalo murderer didn’t actually write a 180 page “manifesto”. It is largely cribbed from the New Zealand Mosque-murderer’s manifesto.

  33. It is interesting that iSteve points out Amendments 1 and 2 being threatened.

    I am not much of a gun enthusiast, and on the face of it, I bought into the guns-you-own being a bigger threat to one’s safety than the guns-owned-by-the-rare-home-invasion criminal.

    Before you get all 2nd Amendment-y on me, I am well aware that not having an arsenal at home makes a person a free rider on neighbors who are armed. City ordinances that forbid keeping guns in the home are also a problem in that regard.

    I had been skeptical of the argument, “If they come after your 2-A rights, your 1-A rights are next.”

    Sure shootin’, to excuse a pun, “they” are indeed coming full bore after your 1-A rights in the name of preserving “democracy” in the style of the DDR and the DPRK.

    This is a pivot from the full-bore 1-A stance of the ACLU, in what has become a trope, defending Nazi demonstrations in Skokie, Il?

  34. In contrast, Mother Jones’ list of favorite Columbine-style mass killing shootings is longer on white perps, with 59 percent of their 127 most famous shooters since 1982 being white.

    Whites were over 60% of the population during the last 4 decades, so even their curated list of serial killers fails to prove that whites disproportionately commit these crimes.

  35. @Hodag
    A quibble on robot deaths: what is a robot? Does Hellfire drone strikes count? What about automated bomb sights in WW2?
    (I know nothing about bomb sights so if they were not robots, so be it).

    Replies: @Jack D

    In a sense, the Norden bombsight was a robot. The operator would aim the bombsight’s telescope at a certain target and input certain parameters such as wind speed and direction, the bombsight’s autopilot would take control of the plane to steer it to that target and when the target point was reached, the Norden would automatically dropped the bombs.

    At least that was how it was supposed to work in principle. Before it was built, Norden claimed that the bombsight would be accurate to 75 feet , which would have made it good enough to hit individual ships, bridges, etc. Based on this, the USG spent a billion \$ (equivalent to the cost of the Manhattan Project – in those days a billion \$ was a lot of \$) on the bombsights. In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.
     
    And the bombings as actual "missions" during the war, much worse.

    A school/scout friend of mine's dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target--railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn't until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren't debacles.

    Surveys suggest at best--best--only a quarter for the bombs dropped were within that 3-400 yards of the nominal target. Most were just somewhere "in the neighborhood". Mostly just slaughtering random--mostly working class--Germans who lived somewhere nearby. Throw in the British and their nighttime--basically just city bombing--and probably upwards of a half a million German civilians during the War. Japan, of course, was worse. Less even definable "industry", much more "workshop industry" mixed throughout wooden cities. We incinerated maybe near approaching million Japanese.

    Most of these folks, of course, completely innocent. Their "guilt" the simple failure as a tiny part of their nations to produce responsible, prudent leadership. (A failure the American people--in the last 50 years--also now share, with even more disastrous results, for us.)

    There was nothing "good" about the "Good War". (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans--and a few others--were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks "good"--less criminal--because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    I get annoyed at these people--including a few commenters here--who drone on about American "criminal" or "barbaric" behavior in the Iraq or Afghanistan debacles. Laughable b.s. Compared to previous warfare, the rules-of-engagement were akin to a ladies' luncheon at my grandmother's Methodist church.

    Nuclear weapons of course dramatically changed this targeting problem. I grew up about 5 miles from the GE jet engine plant in Evendale. Around 12 or so I realized I did not have to worry about post-nuclear apocalypse survival. Left those worries to my cousins in Iowa.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    @ic1000

    Hangin' around, nothing to do but frown,
    Population replacement always gets me down ...


    Thanks for the Carpenters reference, IC.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Thanks for the Carpenters reference, IC.

    +1 for Achmed (he knew I was alluding to some rats).

    Hangin’ around (hangin’ around)
    Nothin’ to do but frown murder a buncha strangers
    Rainy days and Mondays always get me down

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Escher

    Yep, Peak Stupidity was all over this 3 years ago - see "Importing a civil war, in Sweden". There's absolutely no reason we can't have the same here.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Indeed, the Great Replacement is upon us. A GOP candidate counting on mail in ballots to win. I call instant fraud. What say you?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1526769453806956544

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    I say that this is a stupid Leftist take. Absentee ballots have been around since the Civil War. They have their valid applications. Democrat operatives sweeping thru the ghetto and engaging in an organized campaign to purchase the ballots of homeless people and others who would never vote on their own is not one of them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  38. The right still doesn’t get it. Remember, the left were mocking people for making a big deal out of the Darrell Brooks rampage. That’s 100% the correct way to go about it.

    The right’s still caught in the “hey it’s not fair!” mindset, as if reason and fairness works with the left. The only answer is to just roll your eyes, call them snowflakes and laugh at their outrage merchandising. There can be no accommodation with these people.

    • Agree: Goddard
    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Bragadocious

    “Hey, it’s not fair!” comes from professional “conservative” commentators who riff on that theme for pay.

  39. @AnotherDad
    I'll take a poke on the "lone gunman" type (non-black) mass shooters:

    -- decline of religion--eroding restraints
    -- destruction of sense community and nation
    -- rising number of incels--feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation, delayed/missing marriage
    -- shitty job prospects--immigration, offshoring, female careerism
    -- divorce--dysfunctional family backgrounds
    -- smaller families
    -- dysgenics--rising mutational load

    Replies: @Jack D, @kahein, @Old Prude, @Chrisnonymous

    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter. He was only 18 so it was too soon to speculate about his job and marriage prospects (he was not exactly handsome but neither was his dad and he had a wife and a job). He was the product of a stable family with two parents and two younger siblings. If you used your profile to identify him, you would have missed him but found 100 others who fit the profile better but who were in fact no threat to anyone.

    • Replies: @kahein
    @Jack D

    why don't we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american "normality" -- particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city -- is itself a form of degeneracy?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter.
     
    Was not trying to do a profile. And had paid zero attention to the Buffalo shooter. (Not really interested in individual pathologies. I'm interested in larger patterns--genetic, cultural--driving what we see.)

    What I was tossing over the fence were possible reasons--beyond simple population growth--for why it does seem to be more prevalent now than then. There were doubtless some more, but the only one I remember from my childhood was the Texas Tower shooter. I learned a bit when I went to Texas and I believe the a*hole did have a brain tumor. Now these things seem quite a bit more common.

    I'll toss in few more:
    -- violent media
    -- de-institutionalization and
    -- generally with minoritarianism, the acceptance/promotion of non-normative, including anti-social, behavior and constraints on society clamping down on it.

    But the thrust of my list is essentially "less social connection/cohesion/restraint".
  40. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Indeed, the Great Replacement is upon us. A GOP candidate counting on mail in ballots to win. I call instant fraud. What say you?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1526769453806956544

    Replies: @Jack D

    I say that this is a stupid Leftist take. Absentee ballots have been around since the Civil War. They have their valid applications. Democrat operatives sweeping thru the ghetto and engaging in an organized campaign to purchase the ballots of homeless people and others who would never vote on their own is not one of them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    “I say that this is a stupid Leftist take.”

    No, just pointing out the hypocrisy by those in the GOP who seek to minimize their use.

    “Absentee ballots have been around since the Civil War.”

    Yes, I’m familiar with this history. I commented it on this topic before.

    “They have their valid applications.”

    Only for the GOP?

    “Democrat operatives sweeping thru the ghetto and engaging in an organized campaign to purchase the ballots of homeless people and others who would never vote on their own is not one of them.”

    A stupid conservative take on your part. Ok, how widespread is this practice? What are your sources to back up your claim?

    As an aside, what hasn’t ex-Trump lawyer Sydney Powell showed the direct evidence she said she possessed in which the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany proving Trump votes were switched to Biden?

  41. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter. He was only 18 so it was too soon to speculate about his job and marriage prospects (he was not exactly handsome but neither was his dad and he had a wife and a job). He was the product of a stable family with two parents and two younger siblings. If you used your profile to identify him, you would have missed him but found 100 others who fit the profile better but who were in fact no threat to anyone.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/buffalo-shooting-social-036a.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1536

    Replies: @kahein, @AnotherDad

    why don’t we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american “normality” — particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city — is itself a form of degeneracy?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kahein

    That's a stupid take. The original aim of the counterculture was to say that not being "normal" was OK - if you didn't like working the 9 to 5 or wanted to wear your hair long or liked people of the same sex, or were of a different race or religion, that was OK too. That was a fair critique.

    But to say that therefore only the "abnormal" are normal and "normal" people are the ones who are sick is stupid. Rather than chopping down the totem pole where straight white men were on top, they just want to flip the totem pole upside down. No thank you.

    Replies: @kahein

    , @AnotherDad
    @kahein


    why don’t we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american “normality” — particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city — is itself a form of degeneracy?
     
    The Frankfurt School? LOL.

    Talk about projection. Forests have been chopped down to humor the Jewish pathology to pathologize normal people. Thank goodness for the Internet, so they can shout out their hostilities with electrons--less cost and environmental destruction.

    Again--the obvious:

    Ashkenazi Jews are a parasite morph. (Charitably--very charitably--a "symbiote" morph.) The Jewish combination of dependency (for looting) upon the same people they are hostile to (to main separateness) is pathological. (The psychological analog to it in normal people is perhaps adolescence. And most adolescents aren't *that* hostile and actually love their parents.)

    In contrast, these American whites of "semi-rural wastelands" like Broome County are mixes of European gentile people, who have had normal, successful, functioning and complete societies for thousands of years. By "complete" I mean just that: Western European gentiles easily fulfill all necessary roles in a coherent functioning society, that reproduces itself, ourselves. We do not require other peoples to sponge off of loot. And despite doing some mind bogglingly stupid stuff (African slave trade) and semi-stupid stuff (colonialism) we have produced the most successful societies in human history. (With our problems now centered on letting other peoples inside.)

    You could plop down West-Euro white people pretty much anywhere--with life sustaining terrain-- and they would produce a well-functioning prosperous society. (Been demonstrated.) If the whole world was full of only Western gentiles it would be a ridiculously pleasant place--actually better. We are complete, successful normal people.

    Not so the Frankfurt School people.








    Their combination
  42. @AnotherDad
    I'll take a poke on the "lone gunman" type (non-black) mass shooters:

    -- decline of religion--eroding restraints
    -- destruction of sense community and nation
    -- rising number of incels--feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation, delayed/missing marriage
    -- shitty job prospects--immigration, offshoring, female careerism
    -- divorce--dysfunctional family backgrounds
    -- smaller families
    -- dysgenics--rising mutational load

    Replies: @Jack D, @kahein, @Old Prude, @Chrisnonymous

    i’ll take a poke at pointing out that you’re likely too dumb to understand that that’s basically a straightforward freudian interpretation of this psycho-killer’s motivations: a foul whitish broth of castration anxiety and status-driven resentment, fueled by narcissistic fantasies of thwarted privilege and indeed, birthright. does that sound close?

    but if you look just a tiny bit closer you see that this is basically nothing but a slightly pathologized version of the normal crap any normal-iq-ed indo-european male might feel on a normal day-to-day basis: everpresent status anxiety and eternal competition for positional goods, especially erotic positional goods

    is it possible that this is merely the standard way the indo-european psyche devolves — into “psychosis,” as it were? a way that, above all, involves calculation and the reality-principle?

    much in the same way that sub-saharan genetics privilege the messy and scattershot expulsion of violence in an immediate timeframe?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kahein

    Wow. Screencapped. No anti-Semite can write raving Satanic hatred like this. "You're too dumb to recognize that you want to be raped." Jeepers, that's at least as good as, "replacement's not happening, you idiot, but also it is, and that's a good thing."

    , @Jack D
    @kahein

    IQ is destiny and a large segment of the white population (the non-loser segment - the raw number of sub-85 whites is equal to the number of sub-85 IQ blacks but that leaves half of the white population >100 IQ) has that same status anxiety and competition for positional goods and they use that drive to create the really cool things that we call Western Civilization. Instead of shooting up the neighborhood supermarket, they build moon rockets - that's a much better way of attracting the babes.

    The white lusers you talk about are real (and post-industrial society doesn't really know what to do with them no more than it knows what to do with low IQ blacks) but they only represent a small segment of white society and are matched 1:1 with 115+IQ whites who are the ones who create and maintain a high functioning technological society, whereas in the case of blacks the offsetting group is microscopic (and due to the perverse incentives present in our society, even those few often use their brains for anti-social purposes or are overpromoted beyond their true level of competence).

  43. @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    I say that this is a stupid Leftist take. Absentee ballots have been around since the Civil War. They have their valid applications. Democrat operatives sweeping thru the ghetto and engaging in an organized campaign to purchase the ballots of homeless people and others who would never vote on their own is not one of them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “I say that this is a stupid Leftist take.”

    No, just pointing out the hypocrisy by those in the GOP who seek to minimize their use.

    “Absentee ballots have been around since the Civil War.”

    Yes, I’m familiar with this history. I commented it on this topic before.

    “They have their valid applications.”

    Only for the GOP?

    “Democrat operatives sweeping thru the ghetto and engaging in an organized campaign to purchase the ballots of homeless people and others who would never vote on their own is not one of them.”

    A stupid conservative take on your part. Ok, how widespread is this practice? What are your sources to back up your claim?

    As an aside, what hasn’t ex-Trump lawyer Sydney Powell showed the direct evidence she said she possessed in which the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany proving Trump votes were switched to Biden?

  44. Here in Detroit, we have a similar correlation, that is ghetto shooters tend to use, or have better access to, cheaper, non-expanding range (FMJ) bullets, which are far less lethal when used in low-velocity handguns. The advice is to keep shooting back, even if you’re it, because chances are the hit is not lethal.

  45. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, someone definitely had a beef with the Veal boys, down in New Orleans.

  46. @AnotherDad
    I'll take a poke on the "lone gunman" type (non-black) mass shooters:

    -- decline of religion--eroding restraints
    -- destruction of sense community and nation
    -- rising number of incels--feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation, delayed/missing marriage
    -- shitty job prospects--immigration, offshoring, female careerism
    -- divorce--dysfunctional family backgrounds
    -- smaller families
    -- dysgenics--rising mutational load

    Replies: @Jack D, @kahein, @Old Prude, @Chrisnonymous

    The gratuitous violence in popular culture must surely have a coarsening effect. I am repelled by the gore, but judging from the popularity of Tarantino and his blood-fests, I am in a minority.

    The curators of our culture are priggish about bullying but celebrates movies of obscene violence. That can’t be healthy. These people, (I am not one of them; I am a prude, not a prig) treat inconsequential matters, like smoking with near-fanatical consistency. Scorned in public and in art. Screen violence is ubiquitous.

    Straining on gnats and swallowing camels.

    This kid probably senses the very real fact that the political classes, the elite institutions do not give a fig about the welfare of common people like him, and feels the frustration and anger of helplessness in the face of a massive and successful campaign to marginalize and disenfranchise him.

    What to do? Well, more than a decade of watching Netflix, HBO and Prime gave him plenty of ideas.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Old Prude

    Video games are waaay more responsible for the coarsening you’re referring to than movies or tv shows. Video games are also more popular than tv/movies among young men, and particularly among the psychologically disturbed/disaffected types at risk of becoming mass shooters. With video games, you aren’t just watching stylized blood spatter on actors, you can be a semi-active participant in mindless gore for 8+ hours at a time.

    The uptight 90s Moms were probably right about video games.

  47. @Jack D
    @Hodag

    In a sense, the Norden bombsight was a robot. The operator would aim the bombsight's telescope at a certain target and input certain parameters such as wind speed and direction, the bombsight's autopilot would take control of the plane to steer it to that target and when the target point was reached, the Norden would automatically dropped the bombs.

    At least that was how it was supposed to work in principle. Before it was built, Norden claimed that the bombsight would be accurate to 75 feet , which would have made it good enough to hit individual ships, bridges, etc. Based on this, the USG spent a billion $ (equivalent to the cost of the Manhattan Project - in those days a billion $ was a lot of $) on the bombsights. In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good - the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.

    And the bombings as actual “missions” during the war, much worse.

    A school/scout friend of mine’s dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target–railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn’t until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren’t debacles.

    Surveys suggest at best–best–only a quarter for the bombs dropped were within that 3-400 yards of the nominal target. Most were just somewhere “in the neighborhood”. Mostly just slaughtering random–mostly working class–Germans who lived somewhere nearby. Throw in the British and their nighttime–basically just city bombing–and probably upwards of a half a million German civilians during the War. Japan, of course, was worse. Less even definable “industry”, much more “workshop industry” mixed throughout wooden cities. We incinerated maybe near approaching million Japanese.

    Most of these folks, of course, completely innocent. Their “guilt” the simple failure as a tiny part of their nations to produce responsible, prudent leadership. (A failure the American people–in the last 50 years–also now share, with even more disastrous results, for us.)

    There was nothing “good” about the “Good War”. (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans–and a few others–were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks “good”–less criminal–because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    I get annoyed at these people–including a few commenters here–who drone on about American “criminal” or “barbaric” behavior in the Iraq or Afghanistan debacles. Laughable b.s. Compared to previous warfare, the rules-of-engagement were akin to a ladies’ luncheon at my grandmother’s Methodist church.

    Nuclear weapons of course dramatically changed this targeting problem. I grew up about 5 miles from the GE jet engine plant in Evendale. Around 12 or so I realized I did not have to worry about post-nuclear apocalypse survival. Left those worries to my cousins in Iowa.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    There was nothing “good” about the “Good War”. (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans–and a few others–were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks “good”–less criminal–because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.
     
    Addendum: The other positive result was firing up decolonization.

    After fighting against open German and Japanese imperialism, the European and American empires were pretty openly embarrassing and hypocritical.

    The US gave the Philippines independence right away in '46. (The Philippine-American war probably our sleaziest, most shameful war.) The Brits followed with India and Pakistan in '47. And it rolled on from there. The French, of course, being French had to drag things out here and there.

    We should have been wiser and cut loose Puerto Rico when we had the chance. (Not that they would be here now anyway since "everyone's invited!")
    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Sherman's letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a "good" war - "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." That doesn't mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn't want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn't have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a "Good War" in sense that that we were the "Good Guys", not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can't understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can't help you.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    , @Joe Stalin
    @AnotherDad


    A school/scout friend of mine’s dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target–railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn’t until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren’t debacles.
     
    Just to get you to the area, bombers used radio direction finders that used low frequency beacons and AM stations to home in on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ujIPiCkjaM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKj5OJgP1UI

    The UK developed their GEE radio navigation system to improve their bombing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycE3U8sGpW0

    To get around bombing inaccuracies everyone went in with the concept of Dive Bombing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsZWPELYtAI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozSjmPf4hq0

    Everything has to be just right for bombing accuracy. Here, to deliver Barnes Wallace's water dam bomb, using the Lancaster bomber, intersecting angled lights are used to ascertain altitude, and for distance, an optical sight using the same concept is utilized.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1DCxpMz8aU

    Bonus sociology fun!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-eYCoTJcw

  48. @kahein
    @Jack D

    why don't we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american "normality" -- particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city -- is itself a form of degeneracy?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    That’s a stupid take. The original aim of the counterculture was to say that not being “normal” was OK – if you didn’t like working the 9 to 5 or wanted to wear your hair long or liked people of the same sex, or were of a different race or religion, that was OK too. That was a fair critique.

    But to say that therefore only the “abnormal” are normal and “normal” people are the ones who are sick is stupid. Rather than chopping down the totem pole where straight white men were on top, they just want to flip the totem pole upside down. No thank you.

    • Replies: @kahein
    @Jack D

    i've liked most of your attacks on the dregs here so i'm just gonna chalk up your boomertastic, flat-footed response to my query to having not read the frankfurt school -- cause what i said has nothing to do with that simplistic inversion and, wtf, the "counterculture" (?). sorry but you've sort of tipped your hand as a scarsdale jew and it's gonna be tough undoing that image

    you're on a board filled with raving, kmac-fueled, career antisemites who think it's the joos' fault that every time a goy marriage crumbles or a white kid jerks off to porn or blows away blacks shopping for offbrand hair pomade. as a cult, they literally attribute every single fault of their culture to the machinations of malignant outside influence. not repression, not rationalization, not gun culture, not their fetishes of violence, not their fraudulent social customs or empty, drained political systems -- no, my podiatrist friend, it's all the fault of the joos

    and like i pointed out elsewhere -- why are evo-genetic explanations of black -- or mein gott, certainly jewish -- behavior ok, but we're somehow supposed to ignore how pathological normative "american-european" culture has become, in all relevant respects?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  49. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.
     
    And the bombings as actual "missions" during the war, much worse.

    A school/scout friend of mine's dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target--railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn't until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren't debacles.

    Surveys suggest at best--best--only a quarter for the bombs dropped were within that 3-400 yards of the nominal target. Most were just somewhere "in the neighborhood". Mostly just slaughtering random--mostly working class--Germans who lived somewhere nearby. Throw in the British and their nighttime--basically just city bombing--and probably upwards of a half a million German civilians during the War. Japan, of course, was worse. Less even definable "industry", much more "workshop industry" mixed throughout wooden cities. We incinerated maybe near approaching million Japanese.

    Most of these folks, of course, completely innocent. Their "guilt" the simple failure as a tiny part of their nations to produce responsible, prudent leadership. (A failure the American people--in the last 50 years--also now share, with even more disastrous results, for us.)

    There was nothing "good" about the "Good War". (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans--and a few others--were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks "good"--less criminal--because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    I get annoyed at these people--including a few commenters here--who drone on about American "criminal" or "barbaric" behavior in the Iraq or Afghanistan debacles. Laughable b.s. Compared to previous warfare, the rules-of-engagement were akin to a ladies' luncheon at my grandmother's Methodist church.

    Nuclear weapons of course dramatically changed this targeting problem. I grew up about 5 miles from the GE jet engine plant in Evendale. Around 12 or so I realized I did not have to worry about post-nuclear apocalypse survival. Left those worries to my cousins in Iowa.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

    There was nothing “good” about the “Good War”. (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans–and a few others–were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks “good”–less criminal–because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    Addendum: The other positive result was firing up decolonization.

    After fighting against open German and Japanese imperialism, the European and American empires were pretty openly embarrassing and hypocritical.

    The US gave the Philippines independence right away in ’46. (The Philippine-American war probably our sleaziest, most shameful war.) The Brits followed with India and Pakistan in ’47. And it rolled on from there. The French, of course, being French had to drag things out here and there.

    We should have been wiser and cut loose Puerto Rico when we had the chance. (Not that they would be here now anyway since “everyone’s invited!”)

  50. @Ralph L
    The extra shots leading to more wounded are intended to suppress return fire and cause mass panic, improving the chances of a clean getaway. That, and the shooter is so vibrant, some shots go astray.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Vibrant shooter. Nice.

  51. Thanks Steve, that analysis of how the self-appointed scorekeepers go about that task was helpful.

    Still, I don’t expect it to change The Narrative much because your opening presumption that

    despite all the chatter about mass shootings, almost nobody understands the different types of them, so public discussion makes little progress

    mistakes a feature for a bug. The Narrative Masters don’t want public discussion to make progress. They want discussion to run over and over again in the ruts they have specifically carved out for it until they get their way.

    From the Establishment’s point of view, mass shootings are not a problem to be solved, but a tool to be wielded against their enemies. So they don’t want them to be understood, they just want them to be convenient.

    • Agree: Charon, J.Ross
  52. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.
     
    And the bombings as actual "missions" during the war, much worse.

    A school/scout friend of mine's dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target--railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn't until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren't debacles.

    Surveys suggest at best--best--only a quarter for the bombs dropped were within that 3-400 yards of the nominal target. Most were just somewhere "in the neighborhood". Mostly just slaughtering random--mostly working class--Germans who lived somewhere nearby. Throw in the British and their nighttime--basically just city bombing--and probably upwards of a half a million German civilians during the War. Japan, of course, was worse. Less even definable "industry", much more "workshop industry" mixed throughout wooden cities. We incinerated maybe near approaching million Japanese.

    Most of these folks, of course, completely innocent. Their "guilt" the simple failure as a tiny part of their nations to produce responsible, prudent leadership. (A failure the American people--in the last 50 years--also now share, with even more disastrous results, for us.)

    There was nothing "good" about the "Good War". (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans--and a few others--were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks "good"--less criminal--because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    I get annoyed at these people--including a few commenters here--who drone on about American "criminal" or "barbaric" behavior in the Iraq or Afghanistan debacles. Laughable b.s. Compared to previous warfare, the rules-of-engagement were akin to a ladies' luncheon at my grandmother's Methodist church.

    Nuclear weapons of course dramatically changed this targeting problem. I grew up about 5 miles from the GE jet engine plant in Evendale. Around 12 or so I realized I did not have to worry about post-nuclear apocalypse survival. Left those worries to my cousins in Iowa.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

    Sherman’s letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a “good” war – “War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it.” That doesn’t mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn’t want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn’t have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a “Good War” in sense that that we were the “Good Guys”, not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Jack D

    If anyone here is dying to be morally reformed by the likes of Jack D, please stand up now and and be counted! We'd love to know who you are.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Oh, so you've finally come around regarding Putin. Okay.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.
     
    The important thing to understand is who funded Hitler, not who fought him.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.
     
    I think I covered that pretty darn well in my comment.

    The War only looks “good”–less criminal–because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.
     
    The War was much uglier even than Sherman's. Nasty stuff like mass civilian slaughter. Only justified by the vileness of the enemy's program and behavior:


    BTW, Jack, I have my crate full of flaws and failings like ... every other human on the planet. But I'm pretty darn solid in my moral sentiments.

    If you want to finger wag, I'd suggest there's a target population you associate with that could use a lot of work--understanding and practicing--some very basic moral virtues and precepts:
    -- lying
    -- freedom to associate with whom you want; "consent" and the right to say "no"
    -- the right to self-government
    -- gratitude
    -- the concept of a nation
    and, of course
    -- loyalty.
  53. @AnotherDad
    I'll take a poke on the "lone gunman" type (non-black) mass shooters:

    -- decline of religion--eroding restraints
    -- destruction of sense community and nation
    -- rising number of incels--feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation, delayed/missing marriage
    -- shitty job prospects--immigration, offshoring, female careerism
    -- divorce--dysfunctional family backgrounds
    -- smaller families
    -- dysgenics--rising mutational load

    Replies: @Jack D, @kahein, @Old Prude, @Chrisnonymous

    I don’t think so. I think the model we should look at is that Norwegian who shot up Norwegian kids. He was quite explicit that he believed his act would help wake people up. I think this is the basic motivation. Young white guys without enough experience of /perspective on the world to realize that as soon as their 15 minutes of fame are up, everybody forgets their manifesto and the world moves on.

  54. @Redneck farmer
    @Escher

    About 20 years ago, an old Armenian guy was caught trying to dynamite a community center in a Turkish- heavy neighborhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    When I was at UCLA in the early 1980s, the head of the Turkish consulate in L.A. was gunned down on Wilshire Blvd. by Armenian extremists.

  55. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter. He was only 18 so it was too soon to speculate about his job and marriage prospects (he was not exactly handsome but neither was his dad and he had a wife and a job). He was the product of a stable family with two parents and two younger siblings. If you used your profile to identify him, you would have missed him but found 100 others who fit the profile better but who were in fact no threat to anyone.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/buffalo-shooting-social-036a.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1536

    Replies: @kahein, @AnotherDad

    Very little of what you wrote applies to the Buffalo shooter.

    Was not trying to do a profile. And had paid zero attention to the Buffalo shooter. (Not really interested in individual pathologies. I’m interested in larger patterns–genetic, cultural–driving what we see.)

    What I was tossing over the fence were possible reasons–beyond simple population growth–for why it does seem to be more prevalent now than then. There were doubtless some more, but the only one I remember from my childhood was the Texas Tower shooter. I learned a bit when I went to Texas and I believe the a*hole did have a brain tumor. Now these things seem quite a bit more common.

    I’ll toss in few more:
    — violent media
    — de-institutionalization and
    — generally with minoritarianism, the acceptance/promotion of non-normative, including anti-social, behavior and constraints on society clamping down on it.

    But the thrust of my list is essentially “less social connection/cohesion/restraint”.

  56. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Sherman's letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a "good" war - "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." That doesn't mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn't want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn't have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a "Good War" in sense that that we were the "Good Guys", not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can't understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can't help you.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    If anyone here is dying to be morally reformed by the likes of Jack D, please stand up now and and be counted! We’d love to know who you are.

  57. Something must be done, such as junking the first two amendments to the Constitution.

    Two? They threaten all but the Third:

    https://www.aclu.org/united-states-bill-rights-first-10-amendments-constitution

    Even that one appears to be violated by the proposal to station white graduate students in black toddlers’ homes to increase the littl’uns’ word count.

    Just a reminder that Liz Cheney is not one of Wyoming’s US Senators, but this woman is, the Equality State’s first female:

    Wyoming senator booed for gender identity remarks at graduation

    Evidently a degree in animal science can put ideas in one’s head!

  58. @kahein
    @Jack D

    why don't we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american "normality" -- particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city -- is itself a form of degeneracy?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    why don’t we just circle the square and agree with the frankfurt school that american “normality” — particularly the kind that obtains in semi-rural wastelands like broome county, hundreds of miles from anything resembling a major city — is itself a form of degeneracy?

    The Frankfurt School? LOL.

    Talk about projection. Forests have been chopped down to humor the Jewish pathology to pathologize normal people. Thank goodness for the Internet, so they can shout out their hostilities with electrons–less cost and environmental destruction.

    Again–the obvious:

    Ashkenazi Jews are a parasite morph. (Charitably–very charitably–a “symbiote” morph.) The Jewish combination of dependency (for looting) upon the same people they are hostile to (to main separateness) is pathological. (The psychological analog to it in normal people is perhaps adolescence. And most adolescents aren’t *that* hostile and actually love their parents.)

    In contrast, these American whites of “semi-rural wastelands” like Broome County are mixes of European gentile people, who have had normal, successful, functioning and complete societies for thousands of years. By “complete” I mean just that: Western European gentiles easily fulfill all necessary roles in a coherent functioning society, that reproduces itself, ourselves. We do not require other peoples to sponge off of loot. And despite doing some mind bogglingly stupid stuff (African slave trade) and semi-stupid stuff (colonialism) we have produced the most successful societies in human history. (With our problems now centered on letting other peoples inside.)

    You could plop down West-Euro white people pretty much anywhere–with life sustaining terrain– and they would produce a well-functioning prosperous society. (Been demonstrated.) If the whole world was full of only Western gentiles it would be a ridiculously pleasant place–actually better. We are complete, successful normal people.

    Not so the Frankfurt School people.

    Their combination

    • Agree: Dream
  59. It has always been the case since John Wilkes Booth that there is a symbiosis between political conflicts and angry public discourse, and crazy people who try to take things into their own hands.

    The United States seems to have more of these killers than anybody else, whether they be presidential assassins, pop star killers, or school shooters.

    Probably two or more factors combine. First, obviously, is that it is much easier to get hold of guns and ammunition in the US than in most countries. This goes back to an idealization of the idea of the wild West, and a frontier country that had no police forces, but was scared of slave revolts, and horrified by what had happened in Haiti.

    Second is a generally inefficient mental health care system in which people are unwilling to take on responsibility for dealing with people who are potentially dangerous. This has been facilitated by judges and court decisions that make it difficult to treat people with mental illness until after they have committed some atrocity. The prevailing philosophy is that it is better to let 10 insane killers go free, then that one should be detained unnecessarily.

    It is just speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Buffalo soldier was actually taking psychiatric medication already. From his photos he has that kind of bloated look about him that suggests he might have been on Olanzapine or something similar. So perhaps his family knew he was mentally ill, but didn’t want him to be stigmatized, or were just in denial about it, and wanted to protect the younger siblings.

  60. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding the Taiwanese church shooting, technically that would count as a political, nationality, or perhaps ideological shooting, rather than an inter-ethnic shooting, assuming that the shooter was Han Chinese which seems likely.

  61. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Sherman's letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a "good" war - "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." That doesn't mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn't want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn't have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a "Good War" in sense that that we were the "Good Guys", not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can't understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can't help you.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Oh, so you’ve finally come around regarding Putin. Okay.

  62. @kahein
    @AnotherDad

    i'll take a poke at pointing out that you're likely too dumb to understand that that's basically a straightforward freudian interpretation of this psycho-killer's motivations: a foul whitish broth of castration anxiety and status-driven resentment, fueled by narcissistic fantasies of thwarted privilege and indeed, birthright. does that sound close?

    but if you look just a tiny bit closer you see that this is basically nothing but a slightly pathologized version of the normal crap any normal-iq-ed indo-european male might feel on a normal day-to-day basis: everpresent status anxiety and eternal competition for positional goods, especially erotic positional goods

    is it possible that this is merely the standard way the indo-european psyche devolves -- into "psychosis," as it were? a way that, above all, involves calculation and the reality-principle?

    much in the same way that sub-saharan genetics privilege the messy and scattershot expulsion of violence in an immediate timeframe?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Wow. Screencapped. No anti-Semite can write raving Satanic hatred like this. “You’re too dumb to recognize that you want to be raped.” Jeepers, that’s at least as good as, “replacement’s not happening, you idiot, but also it is, and that’s a good thing.”

  63. @Old Prude
    @AnotherDad

    The gratuitous violence in popular culture must surely have a coarsening effect. I am repelled by the gore, but judging from the popularity of Tarantino and his blood-fests, I am in a minority.

    The curators of our culture are priggish about bullying but celebrates movies of obscene violence. That can't be healthy. These people, (I am not one of them; I am a prude, not a prig) treat inconsequential matters, like smoking with near-fanatical consistency. Scorned in public and in art. Screen violence is ubiquitous.

    Straining on gnats and swallowing camels.

    This kid probably senses the very real fact that the political classes, the elite institutions do not give a fig about the welfare of common people like him, and feels the frustration and anger of helplessness in the face of a massive and successful campaign to marginalize and disenfranchise him.

    What to do? Well, more than a decade of watching Netflix, HBO and Prime gave him plenty of ideas.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Video games are waaay more responsible for the coarsening you’re referring to than movies or tv shows. Video games are also more popular than tv/movies among young men, and particularly among the psychologically disturbed/disaffected types at risk of becoming mass shooters. With video games, you aren’t just watching stylized blood spatter on actors, you can be a semi-active participant in mindless gore for 8+ hours at a time.

    The uptight 90s Moms were probably right about video games.

  64. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Sherman's letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a "good" war - "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." That doesn't mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn't want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn't have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a "Good War" in sense that that we were the "Good Guys", not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can't understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can't help you.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.

    The important thing to understand is who funded Hitler, not who fought him.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Who would that be?

  65. @Jack D
    @kahein

    That's a stupid take. The original aim of the counterculture was to say that not being "normal" was OK - if you didn't like working the 9 to 5 or wanted to wear your hair long or liked people of the same sex, or were of a different race or religion, that was OK too. That was a fair critique.

    But to say that therefore only the "abnormal" are normal and "normal" people are the ones who are sick is stupid. Rather than chopping down the totem pole where straight white men were on top, they just want to flip the totem pole upside down. No thank you.

    Replies: @kahein

    i’ve liked most of your attacks on the dregs here so i’m just gonna chalk up your boomertastic, flat-footed response to my query to having not read the frankfurt school — cause what i said has nothing to do with that simplistic inversion and, wtf, the “counterculture” (?). sorry but you’ve sort of tipped your hand as a scarsdale jew and it’s gonna be tough undoing that image

    you’re on a board filled with raving, kmac-fueled, career antisemites who think it’s the joos’ fault that every time a goy marriage crumbles or a white kid jerks off to porn or blows away blacks shopping for offbrand hair pomade. as a cult, they literally attribute every single fault of their culture to the machinations of malignant outside influence. not repression, not rationalization, not gun culture, not their fetishes of violence, not their fraudulent social customs or empty, drained political systems — no, my podiatrist friend, it’s all the fault of the joos

    and like i pointed out elsewhere — why are evo-genetic explanations of black — or mein gott, certainly jewish — behavior ok, but we’re somehow supposed to ignore how pathological normative “american-european” culture has become, in all relevant respects?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kahein

    kmac-fueled
    I'm lovin' it.

  66. @J.Ross
    The funniest part about using the rare on-Narrative mass shootings is that on-Narrative mass shootings are a great argument for traditional Constitutional positions.
    -- ONMS are rare and therefore a terrible basis for any law.
    -- ONMS almost always in blue states, blue cities, or ultra-blue locales like universities, where every nonsensical, un-Constitutional gun control experiment is already in effect.
    -- ONMS are simply not possible where everyone can shoot back.
    -- The record of the federal government in OMNS is abysmal: never helpful, often enabling, and sometimes causative.
    -- OMNS depend on the stereotype of the nerd to invite herd hatred toward the perpetrator: the accusation is less murder (which leftists, and especially journalists, do not consider to be a crime) and more a failure of masculinity. Leftists both hate masculinity and those men dumb enough to think the answer is to be unmasculine; the correct answer is to not care what the lyingpress says it wants. However, if anything could heal our archetypical pre-event shooter's nebbishkeit, surely it would be a mustached 70s dad encouraging physical, outdoor, and firearm culture, especially in engagement with others. The government's answer is further isolation and inactivity plus mind-destroying drugs.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    As pretty much everyone understands: those who rely on ‘law enforcement’ for protection from mass shooters (either on- or off-narrative), are setting themselves up for a situation where every second matters, and the ‘first responders’ will be there in a few minutes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Kratoklastes

    Indeed, and sometimes even worse, like at Marion Douglas (N. Cruz), where a sherriff's deputy was present in the school parking lot but did nothing.

  67. @Kratoklastes
    @J.Ross

    As pretty much everyone understands: those who rely on 'law enforcement' for protection from mass shooters (either on- or off-narrative), are setting themselves up for a situation where every second matters, and the 'first responders' will be there in a few minutes.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Indeed, and sometimes even worse, like at Marion Douglas (N. Cruz), where a sherriff’s deputy was present in the school parking lot but did nothing.

  68. @kahein
    @Jack D

    i've liked most of your attacks on the dregs here so i'm just gonna chalk up your boomertastic, flat-footed response to my query to having not read the frankfurt school -- cause what i said has nothing to do with that simplistic inversion and, wtf, the "counterculture" (?). sorry but you've sort of tipped your hand as a scarsdale jew and it's gonna be tough undoing that image

    you're on a board filled with raving, kmac-fueled, career antisemites who think it's the joos' fault that every time a goy marriage crumbles or a white kid jerks off to porn or blows away blacks shopping for offbrand hair pomade. as a cult, they literally attribute every single fault of their culture to the machinations of malignant outside influence. not repression, not rationalization, not gun culture, not their fetishes of violence, not their fraudulent social customs or empty, drained political systems -- no, my podiatrist friend, it's all the fault of the joos

    and like i pointed out elsewhere -- why are evo-genetic explanations of black -- or mein gott, certainly jewish -- behavior ok, but we're somehow supposed to ignore how pathological normative "american-european" culture has become, in all relevant respects?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    kmac-fueled
    I’m lovin’ it.

  69. So this happened: German synagogues have better doors than German schools?
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-05-19/one-person-severely-injured-in-german-school-shooting-bild
    Those Europeans ought to implement common sense … oh, right …

  70. @Bragadocious
    The right still doesn't get it. Remember, the left were mocking people for making a big deal out of the Darrell Brooks rampage. That's 100% the correct way to go about it.

    The right's still caught in the "hey it's not fair!" mindset, as if reason and fairness works with the left. The only answer is to just roll your eyes, call them snowflakes and laugh at their outrage merchandising. There can be no accommodation with these people.

    Replies: @Goddard

    “Hey, it’s not fair!” comes from professional “conservative” commentators who riff on that theme for pay.

  71. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    In practice, they were good to 1,200 feet, which was not very good – the age of precision bombing would have to wait for further advancements in technology.
     
    And the bombings as actual "missions" during the war, much worse.

    A school/scout friend of mine's dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target--railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn't until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren't debacles.

    Surveys suggest at best--best--only a quarter for the bombs dropped were within that 3-400 yards of the nominal target. Most were just somewhere "in the neighborhood". Mostly just slaughtering random--mostly working class--Germans who lived somewhere nearby. Throw in the British and their nighttime--basically just city bombing--and probably upwards of a half a million German civilians during the War. Japan, of course, was worse. Less even definable "industry", much more "workshop industry" mixed throughout wooden cities. We incinerated maybe near approaching million Japanese.

    Most of these folks, of course, completely innocent. Their "guilt" the simple failure as a tiny part of their nations to produce responsible, prudent leadership. (A failure the American people--in the last 50 years--also now share, with even more disastrous results, for us.)

    There was nothing "good" about the "Good War". (About the only positive result was getting people and borders moved around so that Germans--and a few others--were more-or-less in their correct nations.) The War only looks "good"--less criminal--because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    I get annoyed at these people--including a few commenters here--who drone on about American "criminal" or "barbaric" behavior in the Iraq or Afghanistan debacles. Laughable b.s. Compared to previous warfare, the rules-of-engagement were akin to a ladies' luncheon at my grandmother's Methodist church.

    Nuclear weapons of course dramatically changed this targeting problem. I grew up about 5 miles from the GE jet engine plant in Evendale. Around 12 or so I realized I did not have to worry about post-nuclear apocalypse survival. Left those worries to my cousins in Iowa.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

    A school/scout friend of mine’s dad was a pilot in the 8th Airforce. I interviewed him about his experience for a HS project. Basically, a cluster. Ugly all around. Weather, fighters, flak, screwups. You find yourself outside the city in the wrong place with the wrong alignment. Lucky to get your bombs even sighted on the target–railyard, depot, factory. Lucky to get your ass back home. Wasn’t until the Mustang that the missions themselves weren’t debacles.

    Just to get you to the area, bombers used radio direction finders that used low frequency beacons and AM stations to home in on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKj5OJgP1UI

    The UK developed their GEE radio navigation system to improve their bombing.

    To get around bombing inaccuracies everyone went in with the concept of Dive Bombing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozSjmPf4hq0

    Everything has to be just right for bombing accuracy. Here, to deliver Barnes Wallace’s water dam bomb, using the Lancaster bomber, intersecting angled lights are used to ascertain altitude, and for distance, an optical sight using the same concept is utilized.

    Bonus sociology fun!

  72. @anonymous
    The killer was mentally ill and at the same time understood what he was doing and had a political goal. He wants to inspire further violence to stop mass immigration.

    Tucker Carlson is indeed to blame for this mass murder because he stirs up people like the killer and challenges them to do someting.

    https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1525581101623758848

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Hangnail Hans, @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @jsm, @Tiny Duck, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Rod Dreher:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tucker-carlson-not-surrendering-liberal-hypocrites/

    I’m thrilled that Tucker Carlson isn’t doing the usual right-wing thing and crumpling in the face of bad-faith attacks from the media and Democrats. Watch this 15-minute monologue from him last night, throwing the “Great Replacement” smears back in their faces.

  73. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.
     
    The important thing to understand is who funded Hitler, not who fought him.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Who would that be?

  74. @kahein
    @AnotherDad

    i'll take a poke at pointing out that you're likely too dumb to understand that that's basically a straightforward freudian interpretation of this psycho-killer's motivations: a foul whitish broth of castration anxiety and status-driven resentment, fueled by narcissistic fantasies of thwarted privilege and indeed, birthright. does that sound close?

    but if you look just a tiny bit closer you see that this is basically nothing but a slightly pathologized version of the normal crap any normal-iq-ed indo-european male might feel on a normal day-to-day basis: everpresent status anxiety and eternal competition for positional goods, especially erotic positional goods

    is it possible that this is merely the standard way the indo-european psyche devolves -- into "psychosis," as it were? a way that, above all, involves calculation and the reality-principle?

    much in the same way that sub-saharan genetics privilege the messy and scattershot expulsion of violence in an immediate timeframe?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    IQ is destiny and a large segment of the white population (the non-loser segment – the raw number of sub-85 whites is equal to the number of sub-85 IQ blacks but that leaves half of the white population >100 IQ) has that same status anxiety and competition for positional goods and they use that drive to create the really cool things that we call Western Civilization. Instead of shooting up the neighborhood supermarket, they build moon rockets – that’s a much better way of attracting the babes.

    The white lusers you talk about are real (and post-industrial society doesn’t really know what to do with them no more than it knows what to do with low IQ blacks) but they only represent a small segment of white society and are matched 1:1 with 115+IQ whites who are the ones who create and maintain a high functioning technological society, whereas in the case of blacks the offsetting group is microscopic (and due to the perverse incentives present in our society, even those few often use their brains for anti-social purposes or are overpromoted beyond their true level of competence).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  75. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Sherman's letter to Atlanta explains it all.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/3/2089910/--War-is-cruelty-and-you-cannot-refine-it

    As Sherman says, there is no such thing as a "good" war - "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." That doesn't mean that the Americans and the Nazis were the same. If the people of Germany didn't want their country to be destroyed, they shouldn't have started a war. Having started it, they were required to bear the consequences.

    WWII was a "Good War" in sense that that we were the "Good Guys", not that we somehow magically waged a war without killing any German civilians or that Americans were perfect and without sin, like Jesus. If you can't understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can't help you.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    If you can’t understand that the Americans were the good guys and the Nazis were the bad guys and FDR is not the same as Hitler, then you are morally blind and I can’t help you.

    I think I covered that pretty darn well in my comment.

    The War only looks “good”–less criminal–because the Nazi and Japanese imperialists were such murderous bastards.

    The War was much uglier even than Sherman’s. Nasty stuff like mass civilian slaughter. Only justified by the vileness of the enemy’s program and behavior:

    BTW, Jack, I have my crate full of flaws and failings like … every other human on the planet. But I’m pretty darn solid in my moral sentiments.

    If you want to finger wag, I’d suggest there’s a target population you associate with that could use a lot of work–understanding and practicing–some very basic moral virtues and precepts:
    — lying
    — freedom to associate with whom you want; “consent” and the right to say “no”
    — the right to self-government
    — gratitude
    — the concept of a nation
    and, of course
    loyalty.

  76. @Escher
    The church shooting in LA is only the beginning.
    Can expect Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Hindu, Armenian-Turk battles on American streets in the years to come.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Dmon, @Dave from Oz

    The reason that the Snowy Mountains hydroelectric scheme had a horrific workplace death rate is that the Serbs and the Croats were outright murdering one another.

  77. @dearieme
    Good piece, Mr iSteve.

    It makes me wonder: we haven't had a big Islamic mass-killing in the West for a while - the sort where Abdul mows down a crowd with a lorry, or blows up a tube train. Why?

    If my memory serves (which it sometimes doesn't) our most recent multiple-death Moslem attack in Britain was defeated by a hero armed with a narwhal tusk. And the terrorist used a knife though he was wearing a fake explosive vest.

    The hero was a murderer, out from jail for a rehabilitation meeting. He was rewarded with a Royal pardon.

    Replies: @GA On My Mind

    2020 Vienna: 4 killed, 23 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Vienna_attack

    2017 Barcelona: 13 killed, 130 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_attacks

    2017 London Bridge: 8 killed, 48 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack

    2017 Manchester: 23 killed, 1017 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

    2017 Stockholm: 5 killed, 14 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_truck_attack

    2017 Istanbul: 39 killed, 79 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_nightclub_shooting

    2016 Berlin: 12 killed, 56 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack

    2016 Gaziantep (Turkey): 57 killed, 66 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2016_Gaziantep_bombing

    2016 Nice: 86 killed, 458 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

    2016 Istanbul: 45 killed, 230 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport_attack

    Brussels: 32 killed, 300+ wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings

    2015 Paris: 130 killed, 352 wounded
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

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