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Tablet is a lively Jewish opinion magazine that I’ve linked to fairly frequently. From Capital NY:

Tablet magazine starts charging commenters

By Nicole Levy 1:20 p.m. | Feb. 9, 2015

As a number of news sites eliminate their comments sections altogether, Tablet, a daily online magazine of Jewish news and culture, is introducing a new policy charging its readers to comment on articles.

As of today, a reader visiting the nonprofit site that is otherwise paywall-free will have to pay at least $2 to leave a comment at the foot of any story. The move is not part of a plan to generate any significant revenue, but rather to try and change the tone of its comments section.

Tablet has set up commenting charges of $2 a day, $18 a month and $180 a year, because “the Internet, for all of its wonders, poses challenges to civilized and constructive discussion, allowing vocal—and, often, anonymous—minorities to drag it down with invective (and worse),” editor in chief Alana Newhouse wrote in a post published today. Posts that have attracted vituperative commentary include “How My Father’s Problems with Black Mirrors the Left’s Problem with Jews” [by Todd Gitlin] and “The Challenge of Planning an Interfaith Wedding.”

Newhouse’s husband David Samuels wrote one of the best articles on Obama and Rev. Wright in 2008.

“We are asking people who’d like to post comments on the site to pay a nominal fee—less a paywall than a gesture of your own commitment to the cause of great conversation,” added Newhouse.”The donation rates are small because we are not looking to make money, but instead to try to create a standard of engagement likely to turn off many, if not most, of the worst offenders.” Proceeds will go toward funding Tablet’s journalism, which is otherwise supported by the nonprofit e-book publisher Nextbook Inc., she said.

The value of comments sections has been a hot topic over the past few months, with news outlets like The Chicago Sun-Times, Popular Science, Reuters, Re/code, Mic, The Week and Bloomberg switching off readers’ comments. Moderating such forums is expensive for companies with limited resources, and a lot of reader conversations have moved to social media platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. Comments sections can also, notoriously, devolve into exchanges of personal attacks and squabbles about subjects only tangential related to the posts they sit beneath.

Let’s see, I’ve approved about 495 comments in the last 24 hours, so at $2 a pop that would be, like, a lot.

I just wanted to mention that.

 
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  1. “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @5371


    “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.
     
    The world is not lacking for wealthy Jews who should play sugar daddy for them. Rich Jews are blowing their money on what? 10 million dollar bat-mitzvahs where Aerosmith and 50¢ entertain?

    Scandalous $10 Million Bat Mitzvah
    Oct. 27, 2007

    The headliners read like a who's who of music: Aerosmith, 50 Cent and Don Henley of the Eagles.

    No, it wasn't the Grammys, it was 13-year-old Elizabeth Brooks' birthday party -- a $10 million mega bat mitzvah. Aerosmith alone was paid a $1 million to perform -- flown in on her father's company jet.

    Her father is David Brooks, who was then the CEO of DHB Industries, the leading body armor provider to U.S. soliders in Iraq. And he had his company pick up the tab for the party two years ago, according to investigators.
     

    Billionaire Chechnyans are bush league

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @5371

    “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.

    I was going to say much the same thing. Its hilarious that you not only beat me to it, but did so with the very first comment on the thread. Touche, sir.

    , @George Taylor
    @5371

    Like!

  2. Like most ideas, I had this idea many years ago.

    Let’s see, I’ve approved about 545 comments in the last 24 hours, so at $2 a pop that would be, like, a lot.

    Ha! RIAA logic.

  3. As they admit, it’s not about making money, it’s about silencing commenters, since the payment system will entail loss of anonymity. Won’t work of course, people will migrate from such sites to ones where they can comment.

    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I’ve seen no sign of that.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    @Lurker

    "It won't work."

    That depends what you mean by "work." It will have the effect of eliminating the kinds of comments they most dislike, ie, those critical of what they are producing, leaving a smaller core of loyal followers. Whether this also hurts them in some meaningful way is possible but far from certain.

    , @peterike
    @Lurker


    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I’ve seen no sign of that.

     

    It's not a "news" magazine but it's an "important" magazine -- The New Yorker got rid of comments when it updated its website a few months ago. They had never allowed comments on articles, only on blogs. But that's gone now too. Which is a shame because their bloggers publish an enormous amount of agit-Prog nonsense. On the other hand, when they had comments they were also very quick to delete them or ban commenters, especially around race/gender issues. I guess it gets tiring constantly thought-policing in order to ensure you are meeting your most important goal: diversity.
    , @Borachio
    @Lurker

    I've commented several times on Tablet, and I read it regularly. The comment sections seem pretty civil and intelligent, unlike those at Haaretz, a Jewish news site where the comments sometimes get pretty nasty. Tablet rarely covers hot-button political issues. Its coverage of NPR-style social issues gets a little annoying, but that's as bad as it gets.

    If a pay-to-comment policy were instituted at The New York Times, I'd be more inclined to believe that its purpose was to shut up commenters or identify them to the relevant secret police agencies.

    However, at the Tablet site, I just don't know. Maybe they're just trying out a new business model, like most other commercial sites on the web.

    Replies: @Karl

  4. I don’t get this wave of consternation over internet comments. Slate and Gawker, among others, have already solved this “problem” by making comment-writing and comment-reading tedious and pleasure-free. The “link leading to cumbersome mini box with comments,” which the NY Times also uses, puts precisely the moat between article and unwashed flyover opinion-givers that the Columbia School of Journalism seems to want.

    To be fair, I remember the glory days, 5-6 years ago, when The New Republic only permitted subscribers to comment on most articles. The comment section on the latest Jonathan Chait article would be a civil discussion involving some precocious undergraduates and a couple of old Jewish guys in New York named “Artie” and yours truly.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @timothy

    I'm an old man and I have been "on-line" since al Gore, peace be upon him, gave us the internet. I was a phone phreaker in the 80's and a I setup and ran a few bulletin board systems. The tone of commenting in the olden thymes was much tougher than today. You would have nasty arguments on news groups that were deeply personal and they would go on for days. But, that was when it took some skill to get on-line.

    Now, even the dullest knife in the drawer can comment. Like everything else in life, the reckless and stupid have a veto. Everything has to be arranged to protect these people from themselves and protect the rest of us from them. The police are now coming into "clean up" the Internet so no one gets their feelings hurt.

    The result will be a proliferation of gated communities on-line. I run a private site that is invite only, for example. That way, people are free to say what they like without having to deal with the scolds and concern trolls. IIRC, Sailer had a private HBD list. That way people could avoid being branded a heretic and still discuss these subjects with like minded people.

  5. For two bucks a day I could post a lot of comments.
    Are all comments guaranteed to be posted?

  6. poor you. just tried to shell out $2 just for shucks using [email protected], but paypal tells me that this address can’t receive payments right now…

  7. Is it remotely possible that this move may have something to do with an increasing number of average Jews no longer buying into the “Invade the World, Invite the World, Indebt to the World”, “Race is a social construct”, “Israel is American’s closest and only true ally in the world today”, “All we need to do is fix the schools” … brainwashing of the Jewish elites???

    In other words too many Nicholas Stix’s leaving comments at the Tablet????

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.

    Maybe it’s long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.

    Oh well at least the Tablet is on top things and is taking a firm stand!!!

    Hopefully the Tablet’s loss will be Mondoweiss’s gain.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The Tablet has had a lot of right of center Jews commenting. Of course, the editor's husband isn't exactly a far lefty himself. It publishes a wide range of opinions, but a sort of Jewish version of Teddy Roosevelt's "muscular Christianity" might be the ideological center.

    Here's the editor's husband's article on UFC fighter Rampage Jackson:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/rampage/307152/

    Replies: @timothy, @anonymous-antimarxist

    , @SFG
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Ironically, yes. Every whitewashed article on European attacks on Jews had plenty of right-wing Jews popping on and pointing out it was the Muslims. One of the things I always noticed was how much more right-wing the comments were than the articles.

    As for them being the first to charge for comments...gee, guys, no stereotypes here at all! You'd think they'd know better.

    I doubt this will have the desired effect...a lot more right-wingers are willing to pay money than left-wingers, I suspect. What always scared me off that site was having to link to my Facebook account. Yeah, right.

    , @Hipster
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Count me as one Jew that no longer buys that load

  8. Forget numbskulls like Kristof, the NY Times, Slate and its clickbait clones. We are the real iSteve content providers, you and Unz owe me a dollar a word going retroactively five years.

    • Replies: @Harold
    @Clyde

    And we’re only commenting on comments too. Steve quotes 50 lines from somewhere, makes 3 lines of comments, and then we comment on his comments.

  9. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Is it remotely possible that this move may have something to do with an increasing number of average Jews no longer buying into the "Invade the World, Invite the World, Indebt to the World", "Race is a social construct", "Israel is American's closest and only true ally in the world today", "All we need to do is fix the schools" ... brainwashing of the Jewish elites???

    In other words too many Nicholas Stix's leaving comments at the Tablet????

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.

    Maybe it's long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.

    Oh well at least the Tablet is on top things and is taking a firm stand!!!

    Hopefully the Tablet's loss will be Mondoweiss's gain.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Hipster

    The Tablet has had a lot of right of center Jews commenting. Of course, the editor’s husband isn’t exactly a far lefty himself. It publishes a wide range of opinions, but a sort of Jewish version of Teddy Roosevelt’s “muscular Christianity” might be the ideological center.

    Here’s the editor’s husband’s article on UFC fighter Rampage Jackson:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/rampage/307152/

    • Replies: @timothy
    @Steve Sailer

    Right, think of Leon Wieseltier's arts section circa late 90s, early 2000s as an ideologically similar space, except not quite as ruthless. Adam Kirsch is a fairly representative Tablet contributor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kirsch

    Incidentally, there's an interesting phenomenon in which youthful Jewish writers have an encounter with NOTORIOUS ANT-SEMITE TS Eliot which turns out to be the most formative of their intellectual lives. What Kirsch describes applies equally well to a guy like Harvard Prof and New Yorker contributor Louis Menand.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt the Tablet's issues with its commentators is simply a "Left" or "Right" issue. That is why I mentioned both Nicholas Stix and Philip Weiss.

    Yes, I am aware that the Tablet is a slightly right of Center publication.

    I expect the change in policy might have more to do with the whole "Is It Good For Jews" moral particularism world view that really defines what it means to be Jewish.

    Nothing I have seen at the Tablet really condemns "Is It Good For Jews" thinking or tolerates arguing against it. Perhaps you could provide an example otherwise.

    In that case comparing the Tablet's moral world view with Teddy Roosevelt’s “muscular Christianity” is a head scratcher.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

    Please tell me where TR espoused "What is Good for Christians???"

    Last, concerning the UFC fighter Rampage Jackson issue, I refuse to give the Atlantic a page click so tell me if I am wrong.

    I will bet you that the Tablet writer's article in no way mention that the absurdity of a Rampage Jackson is a direct logical out come of the denial of nature gender equality/Marxism that the Jewish community, leftist or raging NeoCon, as a whole supports. That would be "Not Good For Jews".

  10. @5371
    "Jewish opinion magazine" is the first to charge for commenting? I'm certainly not going to comment on that.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @George Taylor

    “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.

    The world is not lacking for wealthy Jews who should play sugar daddy for them. Rich Jews are blowing their money on what? 10 million dollar bat-mitzvahs where Aerosmith and 50¢ entertain?

    Scandalous $10 Million Bat Mitzvah
    Oct. 27, 2007

    The headliners read like a who’s who of music: Aerosmith, 50 Cent and Don Henley of the Eagles.

    No, it wasn’t the Grammys, it was 13-year-old Elizabeth Brooks’ birthday party — a $10 million mega bat mitzvah. Aerosmith alone was paid a $1 million to perform — flown in on her father’s company jet.

    Her father is David Brooks, who was then the CEO of DHB Industries, the leading body armor provider to U.S. soliders in Iraq. And he had his company pick up the tab for the party two years ago, according to investigators.

    Billionaire Chechnyans are bush league

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Clyde

    Adelson is attuned to the vulgar, his media properties in Israel are the same way. Tablet is too middle-to-high brow in content.

    The billionaires only care so much for internal opinion, far more interesting is the general Western public. What would be quite interesting is an RT/AL Jazeera competitor not named CNN.

  11. @Clyde
    @5371


    “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.
     
    The world is not lacking for wealthy Jews who should play sugar daddy for them. Rich Jews are blowing their money on what? 10 million dollar bat-mitzvahs where Aerosmith and 50¢ entertain?

    Scandalous $10 Million Bat Mitzvah
    Oct. 27, 2007

    The headliners read like a who's who of music: Aerosmith, 50 Cent and Don Henley of the Eagles.

    No, it wasn't the Grammys, it was 13-year-old Elizabeth Brooks' birthday party -- a $10 million mega bat mitzvah. Aerosmith alone was paid a $1 million to perform -- flown in on her father's company jet.

    Her father is David Brooks, who was then the CEO of DHB Industries, the leading body armor provider to U.S. soliders in Iraq. And he had his company pick up the tab for the party two years ago, according to investigators.
     

    Billionaire Chechnyans are bush league

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Adelson is attuned to the vulgar, his media properties in Israel are the same way. Tablet is too middle-to-high brow in content.

    The billionaires only care so much for internal opinion, far more interesting is the general Western public. What would be quite interesting is an RT/AL Jazeera competitor not named CNN.

  12. @Clyde
    Forget numbskulls like Kristof, the NY Times, Slate and its clickbait clones. We are the real iSteve content providers, you and Unz owe me a dollar a word going retroactively five years.

    Replies: @Harold

    And we’re only commenting on comments too. Steve quotes 50 lines from somewhere, makes 3 lines of comments, and then we comment on his comments.

  13. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The Tablet has had a lot of right of center Jews commenting. Of course, the editor's husband isn't exactly a far lefty himself. It publishes a wide range of opinions, but a sort of Jewish version of Teddy Roosevelt's "muscular Christianity" might be the ideological center.

    Here's the editor's husband's article on UFC fighter Rampage Jackson:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/rampage/307152/

    Replies: @timothy, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Right, think of Leon Wieseltier’s arts section circa late 90s, early 2000s as an ideologically similar space, except not quite as ruthless. Adam Kirsch is a fairly representative Tablet contributor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kirsch

    Incidentally, there’s an interesting phenomenon in which youthful Jewish writers have an encounter with NOTORIOUS ANT-SEMITE TS Eliot which turns out to be the most formative of their intellectual lives. What Kirsch describes applies equally well to a guy like Harvard Prof and New Yorker contributor Louis Menand.

  14. I’m quite willing to pay for the honour of committing comments to i.steve, but not at the amount of $ 2.

  15. Jewish magazine charges people to post comments…

    ….

    …..

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @27 year old


    Jewish magazine charges people to post comments…
     
    Pretty lullzy isn't it. A bit like "Jewish charity charges homeless for distributing aid."
  16. The existing system of readers’ comments at mainstream media sites cannot be sustained. Allowing members of the public to drown out the intended message – the message media owners usually lose good money paying to get out – cannot continue. We’re going to see this all change quite a bit over the next few years.

    As for the $2 charge for making a post at the Tablet: it sounds like a new form of vanity publishing. Instead of charging someone thousands of dollars to get things off their chest in a book, they’re charging two bucks to do the same thing but in small pieces. It’s micro-vanity publishing or vanity publishing on the instalment plan.

  17. It makes sense that a Jewish publication would initiate this practice.

    Sure, the money, ha ha. I recall Taki being overrun with Stormfront types some time ago, because apparently Jews are intensely fascinating for those attempting to make sense of the world and looking for shortcuts. It gets a little boring reading the same conspiracies attributed repeatedly to people I personally know can barely work a microwave.

    La Tableta magazine will never do this because they’re happy enough to get any comments at all. Not many people are interest in that 330 million segment of the world’s people.

    But people’s differences are interesting, that’s why iSteve is so great. As someone familiar with some of the New York/Washington/Tel Aviv elite, they seem to be pretty well covered. That’s why I like when he covers people like the Chechens. They are under reported. I’m interested also in Albanians and Sikhs and the Fugianese.

  18. I’d pay ca $40 annual for the right to comment on isteve, but then I wouldn’t feel the need to kick in on the panhandling drives…

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Simon in London

    I think that would be fair. I've heard from someone who runs political website that charging an annual membership fee greatly improves the ratio of gold to dross in the comments.

    , @The Z Blog
    @Simon in London

    IIRC, Karl Denninger did something like that on his site. He sold memberships which brought commenting privileges. That's something Steve could do earn some money. VIP members get to post without going through the approval systems. I would imagine a decent number of people would go for it.

  19. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Is it remotely possible that this move may have something to do with an increasing number of average Jews no longer buying into the "Invade the World, Invite the World, Indebt to the World", "Race is a social construct", "Israel is American's closest and only true ally in the world today", "All we need to do is fix the schools" ... brainwashing of the Jewish elites???

    In other words too many Nicholas Stix's leaving comments at the Tablet????

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.

    Maybe it's long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.

    Oh well at least the Tablet is on top things and is taking a firm stand!!!

    Hopefully the Tablet's loss will be Mondoweiss's gain.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Hipster

    Ironically, yes. Every whitewashed article on European attacks on Jews had plenty of right-wing Jews popping on and pointing out it was the Muslims. One of the things I always noticed was how much more right-wing the comments were than the articles.

    As for them being the first to charge for comments…gee, guys, no stereotypes here at all! You’d think they’d know better.

    I doubt this will have the desired effect…a lot more right-wingers are willing to pay money than left-wingers, I suspect. What always scared me off that site was having to link to my Facebook account. Yeah, right.

  20. @Simon in London
    I'd pay ca $40 annual for the right to comment on isteve, but then I wouldn't feel the need to kick in on the panhandling drives...

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Z Blog

    I think that would be fair. I’ve heard from someone who runs political website that charging an annual membership fee greatly improves the ratio of gold to dross in the comments.

  21. Okay. You have to pay to comment on this particular site mentioned.

    Or you can have a thread with a link to it, and even some blurb to get people to click that link.

    Then you can comment on the story here, as most of us do, as regards the site it was posted on. And truthfully I personally do not read comment sections on the NY Times and whatnot. It is a clunky format, and you have to click “more” a lot. Plus the comments may or may not be nested, so reading the next comment is like pulling the handle on a slot machine. Not to mention any site with a national audience has no trouble getting up to 1200 comments on a juicy story. Most people might scan only the first 100 and call it a day.

    I think this isn’t going to mean much.

    I’m curious as to whether sites that allow comments get more views though.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Sunbeam


    Not to mention any site with a national audience has no trouble getting up to 1200 comments on a juicy story.

     

    Indeed. The other problem there is that you know full well the author isn't reading all the comments. If I go to the mind-numbingly stupid Atlantic story by Peter Beinart linked in this thread, there are currently 1083 comments. So me giving Beinart what-for lacks all satisfaction, because I know he's not reading it.

    I mean, really, there's only one Steve Sailer out there willing to read all the stupidity we post (and god knows how much we don't get to see).
  22. @Lurker
    As they admit, it's not about making money, it's about silencing commenters, since the payment system will entail loss of anonymity. Won't work of course, people will migrate from such sites to ones where they can comment.

    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I've seen no sign of that.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @peterike, @Borachio

    “It won’t work.”

    That depends what you mean by “work.” It will have the effect of eliminating the kinds of comments they most dislike, ie, those critical of what they are producing, leaving a smaller core of loyal followers. Whether this also hurts them in some meaningful way is possible but far from certain.

  23. @Lurker
    As they admit, it's not about making money, it's about silencing commenters, since the payment system will entail loss of anonymity. Won't work of course, people will migrate from such sites to ones where they can comment.

    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I've seen no sign of that.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @peterike, @Borachio

    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I’ve seen no sign of that.

    It’s not a “news” magazine but it’s an “important” magazine — The New Yorker got rid of comments when it updated its website a few months ago. They had never allowed comments on articles, only on blogs. But that’s gone now too. Which is a shame because their bloggers publish an enormous amount of agit-Prog nonsense. On the other hand, when they had comments they were also very quick to delete them or ban commenters, especially around race/gender issues. I guess it gets tiring constantly thought-policing in order to ensure you are meeting your most important goal: diversity.

  24. Why is it assumed that the ones willing to pay are also the ones who have something useful to say?

  25. Big Bill [AKA "Abie Gefiltefish"] says:

    Its a Jewish cultural thing. Historically, Jews auctioned off the right to read scripture and offer prayers during religious services. These auctions, particularly for the high holy days, were quite active. Think of the pit at the Chicago Board of Trade.

    Auctioning the right to speak served a dual purpose: it painlessly raised money for the synagogue and it reinforced the reputation and standing of wealthy Jews in the community. When a Jew came to shul, he knew who called the shots in the Jewish Community, both religiously and socially, by which layman was standing up in front of the congregation, exhorting the faithful.

    Two dollar comments will do the same thing for The Tablet. Pretty smart idea, if you ask me, even without an auction. Why post poor peoples comments? If they don’t have any money it’s not like they have anything worthwhile to comment that a rich guy could not say.

  26. @Lurker
    As they admit, it's not about making money, it's about silencing commenters, since the payment system will entail loss of anonymity. Won't work of course, people will migrate from such sites to ones where they can comment.

    And which are all these news sites getting rid of comments, I've seen no sign of that.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @peterike, @Borachio

    I’ve commented several times on Tablet, and I read it regularly. The comment sections seem pretty civil and intelligent, unlike those at Haaretz, a Jewish news site where the comments sometimes get pretty nasty. Tablet rarely covers hot-button political issues. Its coverage of NPR-style social issues gets a little annoying, but that’s as bad as it gets.

    If a pay-to-comment policy were instituted at The New York Times, I’d be more inclined to believe that its purpose was to shut up commenters or identify them to the relevant secret police agencies.

    However, at the Tablet site, I just don’t know. Maybe they’re just trying out a new business model, like most other commercial sites on the web.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Borachio

    >>> unlike those at Haaretz, a Jewish news site where the comments sometimes get pretty nasty.


    another archetypical example of why Israeli-Americans ALMOST NEVER socialize with "Jewish Americans". The J-A's are too lazy to learn to read basic Hebrew.

    the actual, Hebrew version of Haaretz is a different ball of wax than the anglo one..... which by the way, has a paywall.

    Yep, the pinkos in TelAviv have discovered a way to get pinkos worldwide to PAY for the privilege of saying nasty things about the Hebrew country.

  27. I’d like to offer my two cents on this. Can I use Paypal?

  28. I’m kinda surprised there aren’t sites about this sites popularity range that forthrightly charges people to publish their articles as long as they’re not embarassing. I assume half the people on blogspot would consider it.

  29. Off-topic:

    Hoopla over the Chapel Hill shootings.

    Did Craig Hicks murder Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha yesterday in Chapel Hill because they were Muslim? We don’t yet know for sure.

    But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @syonredux

    There's no Muslim Jacob Javits equivalent, the establishment press would slit its own throat if they started attacking Islam critics. They'd be targeting everyone from Niall Ferguson to Donald Trump.

    The US isn't the UK, where there are Muslims descended from the colonial elite diaspora. We've got NOI and Somali refugees.

    Now, if the conservative base found out that Grover Norquist works for Islam (heresy to our Fascist friends on here), that would be much more productive towards driving him out.

    The Big Question must be: Higher Marginal Tax Rates vs. al-Hijra

    ---

    The effusive Buckley praise, by the intellectual descendants of those (Hofstader, Vidal, et. al) who called him a dangerous radical, needs to be buried six feet under.

    Replies: @Scotty G. Vito

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @syonredux

    One small favor please. Post the name of the author of such bilge. If no author, say by the editors.

    I refuse to click on any article from the Atlantic/NYT/TNR... Simply refuse to give them the minuscule benefit of a click bait page view.

    A dozen years ago I stopped subscribing to The Atlantic and TNR. Now you know why.

    , @Marty
    @syonredux

    They were taking his parking place to show their contempt for whites. But yeah, who ever got fired for dissing Christians?

    , @Wally
    @syonredux

    "... pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews."

    Don't make me laugh! Since when are people fired for attacking/slandering Christians? Quite the opposite, they are promoted, given tenure.

    No doubt Tablet is against real free speech.

    See here where Frenchmen Vincent Reynouard is Condemned to Two Years in Prison for "Denial"
    : http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9267
    The video of Reynouard in that thread is not to be missed.

    Curious that Unz & Sailor haven't taken a stand on this ongoing suppression of free speech & free inquiry.

    Thanks.

  30. For a buck, I can download any of my favorite old rock songs. Would you consider 50 cents?

  31. It looks like it’s $2 per day to comment, with I assume as many comments as you could fit in in that day, and not $2 per comment. Steve, you should change your headline to reflect that. You don’t want to make the Jews look too cheap.

  32. ‘Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite…’

    Wouldn’t much work for those Jews who don’t go to synagogue or who rarely go which would be the majority.

    In fairness to MacDonald since he’s completely ignorant about actual Jews there’s no way he would know this.

    ‘Hopefully the Tablet’s loss will be Mondoweiss’s gain.’

    Impossible. Near zero overlap. Commenters at the latter are more Kevin MacDonald non-Jews than Jewish.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anony-mouse

    What a serious pile of horse plop!!!

    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.

    I was raised Catholic, the very first time a Catholic relative tried to guilt trip for not being religious, there was not a hole deep enough for them to crawl into to escape my rage. I have family members who are clergy. But then I do not face the threat of not being invited for Christmas or any ostracism.

    Something tells me that is not typical the case with Jews.

    Like Steve says, Christian Guilt is about violating some universal Kantian moral norm. Jewish guilt is thinking about one not being Jewish enough, or clearly going against the edict of "What's Good For Jews?" instead of simply debating it.

    We all know of secular Jews who otherwise could not be more ethnocentrically Jewish or racked by "Jewish Guilt". Think the entire Frankfurt School of Marxism.

    Replies: @Lucky you

  33. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews.

    Lies.

    Reality: public figures say things about Muslims and Christians that would immediately get them fired for saying them about Jews. They say things about Christians that would immediately get them fired for saying them about Muslims or Jews.

    See? The truth isn’t hard.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Svigor

    Well spotted. The cultural Marxist status totem pole in the USA has Jews above Muslims, Christians don't count. In the UK Muslims are roughly at parity with Jews, they were higher before ISIS, but again of course Christians don't count.

  34. In all seriousness, if there is going to be an exchange of money between commenters and a site, shouldn’t it be in the other direction? I mean, people obviously come to a site to read comments, it becomes part of the content as well.

    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one’s comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?

    One thing is for sure, though. Any mention of anything Jewish related certainly brings out the usual at least contextually antisemitic chorus here at iSteve.

    Some questions:

    Steve – is this a feature or a bug? Maybe it would be interesting to start “noticing” some things about this class of commenters?

    At Least Contextually Antisemitic Chorus Members – as holders of a belief that Jews are so all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy amongst the sturdy Europeans, do you think that snarking on a blog in any way has any effect upon them? Seems utterly futile, given your cosmology. Could someone explain to me what therapeutic (or other) value this provides to the antisemitic commenter here? There is never even any new content/thought, just the same stuff again and again. Maybe it is a compulsion (see onanistic activity above) and if that is the case, maybe Steve could start charging for comments in that category?

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @Ex Submarine Officer


    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one’s comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?
     
    Funny how I'd never made the connection before, but now that you mention it, I did give up my internet porn habit about the same time I acquired the iSteve habit..
    , @iffen
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    "Any mention of anything Jewish related"

    May I point out that this is usually not a requirement.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    You're making a strawman. Jews don't have to be "all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy" in order to have a profound effect on our society. They don't even have to be acting consciously as a group. But certain Jews do certain things that make one wonder whether their influence is benign.

    Before you say, "You don't know any Jews!", let me tell you that I know more than a few, including a chain-smoking Bronx-born waitress whose kids all married Catholics. (If you give her a lousy tip, she'll call you on it - "What, you didn't like the service?")

    Are you going to tell us that Jews - or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind - are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields? If so, then you might as well try to convince us that the Easter Bunny wants to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge, or that the Tooth Fairy needs our help in transferring $432 million from her Nigerian bank accounts. We're not that dumb.

    Whether the vast Jewish overrepresentation in the ranks of the wealthy and powerful is "bad," or whether someone (who?) should do something (what?) about it, is another question altogether.

    Some decisions made by some wealthy, powerful Jews have had, do have, and will have a profound negative impact on the lives of goyim. But we live in a society where downtrodden goys are not even allowed to mention, let alone to bemoan, the fact that many - not all, but many - of their overlords are Jewish. Even if those Jews are not acting any more illegitimately than WASPs or others would, it still bears mentioning that a large percentage of the elite belong to a group that makes up a tiny percentage of the total population.

    And, yes, there are poor Jews who are screwed over by the actions of rich Jews. When we say, "Jews are rich and powerful," we're talking about a subset of Ashkenazis who have influence far beyond their numbers.

    What is Steve's motive in allowing people to make anti-Semitic (insufficiently pro-Semitic?) comments? I can't say. Maybe he's a Mossad agent who sends long lists of IP addresses back to his masters in Israel. Or maybe he's a smart guy who's tired of living in a society whose leading lights are increasingly full of shit. I can't say.

    Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer

  35. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    When gay marriage was banned by federal law, didn’t individual states invoke states rights to allow it in their own states?
    Seems to me ‘states rights’ goes both ways.

    Why don’t conservatives invoke cases where federal power was abusive? Like the federal decree ordering Japanese-Americans to be dispossessed and interned?


  36. Tablet has set up commenting charges of $2 a day, $18 a month and $180 a year, because “the Internet, for all of its wonders, poses challenges to civilized and constructive discussion, allowing vocal—and, often, anonymous—minorities to drag it down with invective (and worse),”

    I remember that article on Rampage when I read The Atlantic in magazine form. that was some of the best writing

  37. 1) Silence dissent

    2) Eliminate anonymity

    3) Turn comments into just another form of advertising

    Sweet.

    I don’t see this working. I think a fair number of readers these days want and expect to be allowed to comment on a story/blog post. When I visit a news site with no comments section, with a heavily censored comments section, or where registration is annoyingly difficult/invasive, I wonder what the site has to hide.

    I happen to think that a lively, mostly uncensored comments section is a good way to generate loyalty among readers, and for sites that make money off advertisements it’s probably worth the cost spent monitoring the comments.

  38. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Hoopla over the Chapel Hill shootings.

    Did Craig Hicks murder Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha yesterday in Chapel Hill because they were Muslim? We don’t yet know for sure.

    But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Marty, @Wally

    There’s no Muslim Jacob Javits equivalent, the establishment press would slit its own throat if they started attacking Islam critics. They’d be targeting everyone from Niall Ferguson to Donald Trump.

    The US isn’t the UK, where there are Muslims descended from the colonial elite diaspora. We’ve got NOI and Somali refugees.

    Now, if the conservative base found out that Grover Norquist works for Islam (heresy to our Fascist friends on here), that would be much more productive towards driving him out.

    The Big Question must be: Higher Marginal Tax Rates vs. al-Hijra

    The effusive Buckley praise, by the intellectual descendants of those (Hofstader, Vidal, et. al) who called him a dangerous radical, needs to be buried six feet under.

    • Replies: @Scotty G. Vito
    @Maj. Kong

    Norquist's allegiance to CAIR/AAADC was a big story back in 2002. It was sort of his boutique variant on the "Hispanics are natural conservatives" meme except with Muslims; the number of Muslim voters being what it is, this breakthrough idea in political strategy kind of, uh, bombed... But George W. Bush had campaigned against the secret evidence laws in 2000 and Norquist gave his own operation credit for that. Basically what you're referring to is, in light of the Abramoff fiasco subsequently, old news, or you're just shadowboxing with the archives of CrooksAndLiars or TalkingPointsMemos... Grover never had pull with the evangelical Christian Hannity-worshiping subset, was always more on the Dow Jones/Koch record-profits-libertarian side of things

  39. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Hoopla over the Chapel Hill shootings.

    Did Craig Hicks murder Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha yesterday in Chapel Hill because they were Muslim? We don’t yet know for sure.

    But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Marty, @Wally

    One small favor please. Post the name of the author of such bilge. If no author, say by the editors.

    I refuse to click on any article from the Atlantic/NYT/TNR… Simply refuse to give them the minuscule benefit of a click bait page view.

    A dozen years ago I stopped subscribing to The Atlantic and TNR. Now you know why.

  40. As a rule, the commenters at Jewish papers and magazines are right of the editors. Crotchety old men with lots of time on their hands are prominent.

    Rabbis are usually left of their congregants. People go to synagogue because they value tradition (to varying degrees of course), which naturally selects for conservative personalities. Rabbis (non-orthodox ones that is) go into that line of work because they want to “make the world a better place” or some such.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @International Jew

    >> Rabbis (non-orthodox ones that is) go into that line of work because they want to “make the world a better place” or some such.

    no, they do it because they are Attention Whores.

    Gaining Smikhoot is quite a bit of work (although the Reform and the Reform-flavors have watered THAT down a LOT).

    Too much effort for an average SJW.

  41. You often get a very skewed perspective of public opinion by reading comments. Judge Judy was shocked by some of the terrible things said about her in Internet comments.

    “How can you be such a hater?” she said, referring to such people in an interview.

    But then she noted that there are more people who like her than don’t. “But the people who have so much time to comment, tend to be those who don’t work.”

  42. That would guarantee Mrs. Sailer a lifetime supply of dishwashers

  43. Even a small fee could greatly improve the average comment quality at those places where left and right meet today for extended pissing contests–The Atlantic and local papers notably. People who today just can’t let go and give the other guy that last word could save face by saying, “This will be my last comment on this thread, as responding to you is not worth a nickel.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @International Jew

    I was banned from The Atlantic only last week!

  44. Comments are not anonymous. IP addresses and such are transmitted.

    Many news sources and journalists are supported by wealthy patrons who when they see an article proposing that Franco-Cameroonian comedian Dieudonne’s Quenelle gesture is a reverse Nazi salute, and that in France backward is slang for forward so the Quenelle is in fact a forward Nazi salute with comments pointing out the deranged and tortured logic get upset and threaten to cut funding.

  45. Seems like this would give a boost to hasbara-type or PR operatives with both an agenda and the resources of an organization behind them.

    • Replies: @Justpassingby
    @anonymous-antiskynetist


    Seems like this would give a boost to hasbara-type or PR operatives with both an agenda and the resources of an organization behind them.
     
    Good point.

    All hasbara all the time.

    Nothing but paid comments by paid commentators.
  46. @anony-mouse
    'Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite...'

    Wouldn't much work for those Jews who don't go to synagogue or who rarely go which would be the majority.

    In fairness to MacDonald since he's completely ignorant about actual Jews there's no way he would know this.

    'Hopefully the Tablet’s loss will be Mondoweiss’s gain.'

    Impossible. Near zero overlap. Commenters at the latter are more Kevin MacDonald non-Jews than Jewish.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    What a serious pile of horse plop!!!

    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.

    I was raised Catholic, the very first time a Catholic relative tried to guilt trip for not being religious, there was not a hole deep enough for them to crawl into to escape my rage. I have family members who are clergy. But then I do not face the threat of not being invited for Christmas or any ostracism.

    Something tells me that is not typical the case with Jews.

    Like Steve says, Christian Guilt is about violating some universal Kantian moral norm. Jewish guilt is thinking about one not being Jewish enough, or clearly going against the edict of “What’s Good For Jews?” instead of simply debating it.

    We all know of secular Jews who otherwise could not be more ethnocentrically Jewish or racked by “Jewish Guilt”. Think the entire Frankfurt School of Marxism.

    • Replies: @Lucky you
    @anonymous-antimarxist


    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.
     
    Yes. They are not. You are painfully clueless on Jews.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

  47. Where I cannot comment, I do not read. It’s not always the case, but it’s fairly reliably so.

    I wonder what the true cost of eliminating comment sections is.

  48. Steve, you need to have Unz hire an intern to approve comments. Five hundred comments? Are you monitoring somebody else’s stuff too?

  49. So now to put in your two cents, costs you two dollars.

    Genius. Sheer genius.

  50. Paid comments will be about as interesting to read as vanity press.

  51. Abettersystemwouldbechargingfivecentsperword.

  52. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The Tablet has had a lot of right of center Jews commenting. Of course, the editor's husband isn't exactly a far lefty himself. It publishes a wide range of opinions, but a sort of Jewish version of Teddy Roosevelt's "muscular Christianity" might be the ideological center.

    Here's the editor's husband's article on UFC fighter Rampage Jackson:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/rampage/307152/

    Replies: @timothy, @anonymous-antimarxist

    I doubt the Tablet’s issues with its commentators is simply a “Left” or “Right” issue. That is why I mentioned both Nicholas Stix and Philip Weiss.

    Yes, I am aware that the Tablet is a slightly right of Center publication.

    I expect the change in policy might have more to do with the whole “Is It Good For Jews” moral particularism world view that really defines what it means to be Jewish.

    Nothing I have seen at the Tablet really condemns “Is It Good For Jews” thinking or tolerates arguing against it. Perhaps you could provide an example otherwise.

    In that case comparing the Tablet’s moral world view with Teddy Roosevelt’s “muscular Christianity” is a head scratcher.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

    Please tell me where TR espoused “What is Good for Christians???”

    Last, concerning the UFC fighter Rampage Jackson issue, I refuse to give the Atlantic a page click so tell me if I am wrong.

    I will bet you that the Tablet writer’s article in no way mention that the absurdity of a Rampage Jackson is a direct logical out come of the denial of nature gender equality/Marxism that the Jewish community, leftist or raging NeoCon, as a whole supports. That would be “Not Good For Jews”.

  53. I don’t think every opinion I’ve ever had is worth $2.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @countenance

    You're selling yourself short my friend. Your comments to date, according to my careful calculations, are worth $4.37 to the penny.

  54. @timothy
    I don't get this wave of consternation over internet comments. Slate and Gawker, among others, have already solved this "problem" by making comment-writing and comment-reading tedious and pleasure-free. The "link leading to cumbersome mini box with comments," which the NY Times also uses, puts precisely the moat between article and unwashed flyover opinion-givers that the Columbia School of Journalism seems to want.

    To be fair, I remember the glory days, 5-6 years ago, when The New Republic only permitted subscribers to comment on most articles. The comment section on the latest Jonathan Chait article would be a civil discussion involving some precocious undergraduates and a couple of old Jewish guys in New York named "Artie" and yours truly.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    I’m an old man and I have been “on-line” since al Gore, peace be upon him, gave us the internet. I was a phone phreaker in the 80’s and a I setup and ran a few bulletin board systems. The tone of commenting in the olden thymes was much tougher than today. You would have nasty arguments on news groups that were deeply personal and they would go on for days. But, that was when it took some skill to get on-line.

    Now, even the dullest knife in the drawer can comment. Like everything else in life, the reckless and stupid have a veto. Everything has to be arranged to protect these people from themselves and protect the rest of us from them. The police are now coming into “clean up” the Internet so no one gets their feelings hurt.

    The result will be a proliferation of gated communities on-line. I run a private site that is invite only, for example. That way, people are free to say what they like without having to deal with the scolds and concern trolls. IIRC, Sailer had a private HBD list. That way people could avoid being branded a heretic and still discuss these subjects with like minded people.

  55. @Simon in London
    I'd pay ca $40 annual for the right to comment on isteve, but then I wouldn't feel the need to kick in on the panhandling drives...

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Z Blog

    IIRC, Karl Denninger did something like that on his site. He sold memberships which brought commenting privileges. That’s something Steve could do earn some money. VIP members get to post without going through the approval systems. I would imagine a decent number of people would go for it.

  56. Phew, what happened to two cents?

  57. Over at Volokh Conspiracy, they went through three stages of comment policy.

    1: easy and anonymous.
    2: required registration. When this change occurred, the owners of the site commented that it effectively killed their community (I personally went from frequent commenter to occasional browser and never commented. The discussions lost quite a bit when the commenters lost anonymity).
    3: picked up by Washington Post. I don’t keep track of it any more, and don’t know the status of the comments there. I’d guess it has changed again-not only is registration required, it is registration on Washington Post-presumably attracting a quite different crowd.

    So merely requiring registration/abandoning anonymity will change a comment field dramatically. Charging $2 per comment should kill it completely.

    Joeyjoe

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @joeyjoejoe

    I've never understood this. Registering with a fake account is no more or less anonymous than posting with a fake name. Subscriptions are another matter, but that involved credit card data. I can understand that concern.

    The interwebs does not work like people think it does.

    Replies: @joeyjoejoe

  58. Marty [AKA "wick"] says:

    So I read Todd Gitlin’s piece that you reference, and it’s very misleading. Nothing in there about any probem his father had with blacks, qua blacks. It’s just that his father was a NYC teacher during the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school contretemps, and was naturally disappointed that blacks demanded community control. Guess what, Todd, that’s not racism on the part of your Dad.

  59. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Hoopla over the Chapel Hill shootings.

    Did Craig Hicks murder Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha yesterday in Chapel Hill because they were Muslim? We don’t yet know for sure.

    But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Marty, @Wally

    They were taking his parking place to show their contempt for whites. But yeah, who ever got fired for dissing Christians?

  60. “As a number of news sites eliminate their comments sections altogether, Tablet, a daily online magazine of Jewish news and culture, is introducing a new policy charging its readers to comment on articles.”
    That will do wonders to dispel the wide spread belief that Jews are money hungry.

  61. It’s unfortunate so many commenters really are trolls, assholes and anonymous kneecappers. I mean it is not an insignificant design problem with electronic publication. The problem is that comments really can be a valid form of vox populi. The last few times liberal publications in liberal cities like DC and Boston ran stories about the inevitability of the Redskins name change I carefully reviewed all the comments. A few flamers, sure. But for the most part long threads of thoughtful commentary, almost totally against the approved narrative. There’s a babies and bathwater problem here.

  62. @countenance
    I don't think every opinion I've ever had is worth $2.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

    You’re selling yourself short my friend. Your comments to date, according to my careful calculations, are worth $4.37 to the penny.

  63. This is sheer madness. $2 a comment for the Sailer trading card type posts? You need to consult the ghost of Steve Jobs here. The blog is already “iSteve” and needs just a bit more branding tweak – “iBlog” perhaps? Then employ the psychology of “cheaper than a dollar” pricing with $.99 per thread pricing. Get Jony Ive to do some font and color changes and launch “iSteve iBlog 2.0” to a packed auditorium of rabid fanboys.

  64. This is probably a good thing. Blog commenting is vice. Help the poor bastards break the habit.

  65. Free content and a fee for commenting is a good experiment. I assume most writers want informed and passionate comments (right, ISteve?) and less vitriol. I prefer pithy. As someone who is pretty well informed, I don’t need a history lesson, and I don’t need a bunch of links as evidence. I assume people know what they are talking about.

    And humor, some of the commenters here are laugh out loud funny.

    I think you will see more of this experimentation in the future. You used to have to spend time and money to send a letter to the editor. A COST tends to counteract Gresham’s Law of snark.

  66. What would the cost be if you had 2 commenters and 3 opinions?

  67. Somehow this reminds me of pay toilets.

    (Which I still encounter sometimes in my travels.)

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My dear Buzz Mohawk, your comment,"Somehow this reminds me of pay toilets" cracked me up!

    Reminded me of this ancient joke:


    Q. What's the definition of the Limbo?

    A. A Scotsman entering a pay toilet.

  68. See, here’s the thing. Theoretically, they can track your IP address, but there are anonymizers and so on.

    But if you have to pay to comment, you probably have to leave a credit card or some method of payment that uses your actual name. And that, on political subjects, is dangerous.

  69. Television Without Pity, the formerly “big” (most traffic) website for TV fans, lost traffic in a major way when they limited comments. The same goes true for Comic Book fan sites, which also lost traffic when mods made comments nearly impossible or turned them off.

    The money (traffic driving ad revenue) is in letting people say what they want. Since the barrier to competition is about $100 or so — fees for hosting at GoDaddy and when traffic spikes so does ad revenue allowing easy movement to a higher bandwidth system since the money is already coming in — you see a fairly competitive environment.

    It is true that the money made from high traffic websites is less than you’d think. Ad revenues are constantly trending down online. But there is no shortage of informed people happy to set up blogs, or forums, to allow comments on almost anything. Heck there are forums just for shaving.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Whiskey

    Television Without Pity was a great site, talking about virtually every show on since the 50s, The comments were very good and you had many an ah ha moment, thinking back about why some show jumped the shark or stayed good or affected you in a certain way. Then not only were new comments disallowed, they apparently trashed years of comments, some of them sterling. That was a surprise. I understand why they censor political, racial, pharmaceutical, medical, etc. But sitcoms? What are they afraid of there? They knew people didn't want to see their words disappear. I wrote to complain and the response was some gibberish about the site still welcoming comments. Yeah--so they can trash the lot. TWP was a historical document, not just a transient twitter site. Too bad.

  70. Don’t the Israelis already pay people to comment on news articles?

    Sounds like they are going to break even on this one.

    Not very Jewish of them.

  71. How much do the editors of the Tablet have to pay to be editors?

  72. @joeyjoejoe
    Over at Volokh Conspiracy, they went through three stages of comment policy.

    1: easy and anonymous.
    2: required registration. When this change occurred, the owners of the site commented that it effectively killed their community (I personally went from frequent commenter to occasional browser and never commented. The discussions lost quite a bit when the commenters lost anonymity).
    3: picked up by Washington Post. I don't keep track of it any more, and don't know the status of the comments there. I'd guess it has changed again-not only is registration required, it is registration on Washington Post-presumably attracting a quite different crowd.

    So merely requiring registration/abandoning anonymity will change a comment field dramatically. Charging $2 per comment should kill it completely.

    Joeyjoe

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    I’ve never understood this. Registering with a fake account is no more or less anonymous than posting with a fake name. Subscriptions are another matter, but that involved credit card data. I can understand that concern.

    The interwebs does not work like people think it does.

    • Replies: @joeyjoejoe
    @The Z Blog

    "Registering with a fake account is no more or less anonymous than posting with a fake name."

    I suppose that is true. But registering with a fake account takes more work*. Ergo, I didn't do it.

    joeyjoejoe

    *Perhaps I'll expand. I dislike having to register for anything-often register to buy something on a company's site, register to comment on a webpage/blog, and so on. Each registration requires another name/password combination, often with different requirements (6 characters: 8 characters: 8 characters at least two of which are numbers and two of which are symbols, etc etc). Some have to be updated. Some have my secure information (credit card, etc), so I have to worry about whether I'm using the same information on that as I do on Joe'sBlog. I have a notebook in my desk with several dozen username/password combos, for purchases, banks, work related, entertainment related, and so on. I don't want to do it again for some blog site that I post at for fun.

    Furthermore, nowadays many sites require a google/facebook/something else account to create a local account (or to log in with). So, I've got to have two accounts: my real one, and my 'anonymous post on Joe'sBlog' account, each with its own password/username combo. No thanks. I just migrate to the blogs that do allow fake name posts. There's plenty of them.

  73. @Ex Submarine Officer
    In all seriousness, if there is going to be an exchange of money between commenters and a site, shouldn't it be in the other direction? I mean, people obviously come to a site to read comments, it becomes part of the content as well.

    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one's comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?

    One thing is for sure, though. Any mention of anything Jewish related certainly brings out the usual at least contextually antisemitic chorus here at iSteve.

    Some questions:

    Steve - is this a feature or a bug? Maybe it would be interesting to start "noticing" some things about this class of commenters?

    At Least Contextually Antisemitic Chorus Members - as holders of a belief that Jews are so all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy amongst the sturdy Europeans, do you think that snarking on a blog in any way has any effect upon them? Seems utterly futile, given your cosmology. Could someone explain to me what therapeutic (or other) value this provides to the antisemitic commenter here? There is never even any new content/thought, just the same stuff again and again. Maybe it is a compulsion (see onanistic activity above) and if that is the case, maybe Steve could start charging for comments in that category?

    Replies: @Stan D Mute, @iffen, @Stan Adams

    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one’s comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?

    Funny how I’d never made the connection before, but now that you mention it, I did give up my internet porn habit about the same time I acquired the iSteve habit..

  74. What should commenters get paid when comments inspire columnists new column? This may sound grandiose or delusional but it does happen. One guy ripped off my whole peculiar rant. I was going to send him some parrot mix. (I’m yet to inspire isteve column).

  75. It gets a little boring reading the same conspiracies attributed repeatedly to people I personally know can barely work a microwave.

    Almost as boring as the fact that I read about Jewish conspiracies almost exclusively from people like you.

    At Least Contextually Antisemitic Chorus Members – as holders of a belief that Jews are so all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy amongst the sturdy Europeans

    At Least Contextually Ignoramus Philosemitic Chorus members – would you care to direct your stupid questions to someone in particular, or are you just assuming your mental projections exist?

  76. @5371
    "Jewish opinion magazine" is the first to charge for commenting? I'm certainly not going to comment on that.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @George Taylor

    “Jewish opinion magazine” is the first to charge for commenting? I’m certainly not going to comment on that.

    I was going to say much the same thing. Its hilarious that you not only beat me to it, but did so with the very first comment on the thread. Touche, sir.

  77. Instead of the $2, I think some sort of micro payment system would be ideas. This is a long term goal of funding internet content that has never really worked.

    The conceptual, pre web, web was called Xanadu, and micro payments were one of the core ideas.

    Charging ANYTHING will eliminate over 90% of the worthless or trolling comments.

    Porn sites have you pay up front, and then debit your account as you use their services. iSteve is mental porn — socially trasgressive, &c.

  78. Funny thing about Jews, I find some of the traditional stereotypes (and apparently, the more respectable ones, if this thread is any guide) about them to be off the mark. Jews are smart with their money, sure. And they’re a disputatious, verbally combative and aggressive lot who like to haggle. But they’re also the type who will drop some serious coin helping each other out, starting risky businesses, etc. The money for money’s sake types like Scrooge, no.

    But Jews as retiring nebbishes who only learned to scrap after the holocaust, that’s gotta be the silliest one.

  79. @Svigor

    Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews.
     
    Lies.

    Reality: public figures say things about Muslims and Christians that would immediately get them fired for saying them about Jews. They say things about Christians that would immediately get them fired for saying them about Muslims or Jews.

    See? The truth isn't hard.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    Well spotted. The cultural Marxist status totem pole in the USA has Jews above Muslims, Christians don’t count. In the UK Muslims are roughly at parity with Jews, they were higher before ISIS, but again of course Christians don’t count.

  80. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Hoopla over the Chapel Hill shootings.

    Did Craig Hicks murder Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha yesterday in Chapel Hill because they were Muslim? We don’t yet know for sure.

    But we know this: In America today, the level of public anti-Muslim bigotry is shockingly high. Politicians and pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews. And they’ll keep doing so until prominent conservatives express the same outrage when Muslims are defamed that they summon when the victims are Christians or Jews. In the 1950s, National Review founder William F. Buckley ran anti-Semites out of the conservative movement. It’s time for his successors to do the same with Islamophobes.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/02/anti-islam/385463/

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @anonymous-antimarxist, @Marty, @Wally

    “… pundits, usually on the right, say things about Muslims that they would be immediately fired for saying about Christians or Jews.”

    Don’t make me laugh! Since when are people fired for attacking/slandering Christians? Quite the opposite, they are promoted, given tenure.

    No doubt Tablet is against real free speech.

    See here where Frenchmen Vincent Reynouard is Condemned to Two Years in Prison for “Denial”
    : http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9267
    The video of Reynouard in that thread is not to be missed.

    Curious that Unz & Sailor haven’t taken a stand on this ongoing suppression of free speech & free inquiry.

    Thanks.

  81. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anony-mouse

    What a serious pile of horse plop!!!

    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.

    I was raised Catholic, the very first time a Catholic relative tried to guilt trip for not being religious, there was not a hole deep enough for them to crawl into to escape my rage. I have family members who are clergy. But then I do not face the threat of not being invited for Christmas or any ostracism.

    Something tells me that is not typical the case with Jews.

    Like Steve says, Christian Guilt is about violating some universal Kantian moral norm. Jewish guilt is thinking about one not being Jewish enough, or clearly going against the edict of "What's Good For Jews?" instead of simply debating it.

    We all know of secular Jews who otherwise could not be more ethnocentrically Jewish or racked by "Jewish Guilt". Think the entire Frankfurt School of Marxism.

    Replies: @Lucky you

    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.

    Yes. They are not. You are painfully clueless on Jews.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Lucky you

    Look I was a subscriber to TNR for almost two decades and a subscriber to the NYRB for over a decade. Along with TNR & NYRB there must be at least two dozen magazines/websites that deal almost exclusively with Jewish identity. Constant hand wringing over what it means to be a secular Jew. And you find this sort of thing now a days in the NYTs(of course), The Atlantic, Slate, Salon, PBS.......

    Wealthy Jews, secular or religious, fund dozens of charities focused solely or largely on Jewish Identity.

    Leon Wieseltier, post TNR has started something called "The Jewish Review of Books"
    Jewishreviewofbooks.com

    Seriously, what sort of Goyishe Kop do you take me for.

    There is nothing remotely like it in the Catholic/Christian world.

    Either try harder or go get your shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Scotty G. Vito

  82. @Sunbeam
    Okay. You have to pay to comment on this particular site mentioned.

    Or you can have a thread with a link to it, and even some blurb to get people to click that link.

    Then you can comment on the story here, as most of us do, as regards the site it was posted on. And truthfully I personally do not read comment sections on the NY Times and whatnot. It is a clunky format, and you have to click "more" a lot. Plus the comments may or may not be nested, so reading the next comment is like pulling the handle on a slot machine. Not to mention any site with a national audience has no trouble getting up to 1200 comments on a juicy story. Most people might scan only the first 100 and call it a day.

    I think this isn't going to mean much.

    I'm curious as to whether sites that allow comments get more views though.

    Replies: @peterike

    Not to mention any site with a national audience has no trouble getting up to 1200 comments on a juicy story.

    Indeed. The other problem there is that you know full well the author isn’t reading all the comments. If I go to the mind-numbingly stupid Atlantic story by Peter Beinart linked in this thread, there are currently 1083 comments. So me giving Beinart what-for lacks all satisfaction, because I know he’s not reading it.

    I mean, really, there’s only one Steve Sailer out there willing to read all the stupidity we post (and god knows how much we don’t get to see).

  83. How about if Steve charges $1 per comment.

    After a reasonable amount of time, comments are closed.

    Steve evaluates the comments and refunds the top 50% and pockets the bottom 50%.

  84. That would guarantee Mrs. Sailer a lifetime supply of dishwashers

    Not Inglés-speaking ones.

  85. @Buzz Mohawk
    Somehow this reminds me of pay toilets.

    (Which I still encounter sometimes in my travels.)

    Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    My dear Buzz Mohawk, your comment,”Somehow this reminds me of pay toilets” cracked me up!

    Reminded me of this ancient joke:

    Q. What’s the definition of the Limbo?

    A. A Scotsman entering a pay toilet.

  86. @Ex Submarine Officer
    In all seriousness, if there is going to be an exchange of money between commenters and a site, shouldn't it be in the other direction? I mean, people obviously come to a site to read comments, it becomes part of the content as well.

    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one's comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?

    One thing is for sure, though. Any mention of anything Jewish related certainly brings out the usual at least contextually antisemitic chorus here at iSteve.

    Some questions:

    Steve - is this a feature or a bug? Maybe it would be interesting to start "noticing" some things about this class of commenters?

    At Least Contextually Antisemitic Chorus Members - as holders of a belief that Jews are so all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy amongst the sturdy Europeans, do you think that snarking on a blog in any way has any effect upon them? Seems utterly futile, given your cosmology. Could someone explain to me what therapeutic (or other) value this provides to the antisemitic commenter here? There is never even any new content/thought, just the same stuff again and again. Maybe it is a compulsion (see onanistic activity above) and if that is the case, maybe Steve could start charging for comments in that category?

    Replies: @Stan D Mute, @iffen, @Stan Adams

    “Any mention of anything Jewish related”

    May I point out that this is usually not a requirement.

  87. Charging $2 per post would destroy the Kremlin’s budget faster than plummeting oil prices. Russian troll army

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Matra

    Putin's troll army is overwhelmingly a myth in my opinion. It's a story mainstream types like though because it explains all the pro-Putin, pro-Russian, anti-globalist posts they see all over the place. Go ahead and check the track record of the people making pro-Russian posts online and you'll find they've also made lots of posts on the domestic affairs of the countries they claim to be from. Believing these posts are made by paid Putin trolls is comforting though and that's why the myth has legs, I suppose.

  88. @The Z Blog
    @joeyjoejoe

    I've never understood this. Registering with a fake account is no more or less anonymous than posting with a fake name. Subscriptions are another matter, but that involved credit card data. I can understand that concern.

    The interwebs does not work like people think it does.

    Replies: @joeyjoejoe

    “Registering with a fake account is no more or less anonymous than posting with a fake name.”

    I suppose that is true. But registering with a fake account takes more work*. Ergo, I didn’t do it.

    joeyjoejoe

    *Perhaps I’ll expand. I dislike having to register for anything-often register to buy something on a company’s site, register to comment on a webpage/blog, and so on. Each registration requires another name/password combination, often with different requirements (6 characters: 8 characters: 8 characters at least two of which are numbers and two of which are symbols, etc etc). Some have to be updated. Some have my secure information (credit card, etc), so I have to worry about whether I’m using the same information on that as I do on Joe’sBlog. I have a notebook in my desk with several dozen username/password combos, for purchases, banks, work related, entertainment related, and so on. I don’t want to do it again for some blog site that I post at for fun.

    Furthermore, nowadays many sites require a google/facebook/something else account to create a local account (or to log in with). So, I’ve got to have two accounts: my real one, and my ‘anonymous post on Joe’sBlog’ account, each with its own password/username combo. No thanks. I just migrate to the blogs that do allow fake name posts. There’s plenty of them.

  89. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Seems like this would give a boost to hasbara-type or PR operatives with both an agenda and the resources of an organization behind them.

    Replies: @Justpassingby

    Seems like this would give a boost to hasbara-type or PR operatives with both an agenda and the resources of an organization behind them.

    Good point.

    All hasbara all the time.

    Nothing but paid comments by paid commentators.

  90. As they admit, “The move is not part of a plan to generate any significant revenue, but rather to try and change the tone of its comments section.”

    Did “Tablet” have an unusually troublesome or vitriolic comment section? In my admittedly very limited experience it never struck me that way. But for a certain type of people any deviation from the approved school of thought is unacceptable.

  91. @Ex Submarine Officer
    In all seriousness, if there is going to be an exchange of money between commenters and a site, shouldn't it be in the other direction? I mean, people obviously come to a site to read comments, it becomes part of the content as well.

    Or maybe I have it all wrong, commenting is actually an onanistic activity wherein one's comment is of zero interest to others, the only person who derives any value from it is the commenter himself during the act of making the comment?

    One thing is for sure, though. Any mention of anything Jewish related certainly brings out the usual at least contextually antisemitic chorus here at iSteve.

    Some questions:

    Steve - is this a feature or a bug? Maybe it would be interesting to start "noticing" some things about this class of commenters?

    At Least Contextually Antisemitic Chorus Members - as holders of a belief that Jews are so all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy amongst the sturdy Europeans, do you think that snarking on a blog in any way has any effect upon them? Seems utterly futile, given your cosmology. Could someone explain to me what therapeutic (or other) value this provides to the antisemitic commenter here? There is never even any new content/thought, just the same stuff again and again. Maybe it is a compulsion (see onanistic activity above) and if that is the case, maybe Steve could start charging for comments in that category?

    Replies: @Stan D Mute, @iffen, @Stan Adams

    You’re making a strawman. Jews don’t have to be “all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy” in order to have a profound effect on our society. They don’t even have to be acting consciously as a group. But certain Jews do certain things that make one wonder whether their influence is benign.

    Before you say, “You don’t know any Jews!”, let me tell you that I know more than a few, including a chain-smoking Bronx-born waitress whose kids all married Catholics. (If you give her a lousy tip, she’ll call you on it – “What, you didn’t like the service?”)

    Are you going to tell us that Jews – or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind – are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields? If so, then you might as well try to convince us that the Easter Bunny wants to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge, or that the Tooth Fairy needs our help in transferring $432 million from her Nigerian bank accounts. We’re not that dumb.

    Whether the vast Jewish overrepresentation in the ranks of the wealthy and powerful is “bad,” or whether someone (who?) should do something (what?) about it, is another question altogether.

    Some decisions made by some wealthy, powerful Jews have had, do have, and will have a profound negative impact on the lives of goyim. But we live in a society where downtrodden goys are not even allowed to mention, let alone to bemoan, the fact that many – not all, but many – of their overlords are Jewish. Even if those Jews are not acting any more illegitimately than WASPs or others would, it still bears mentioning that a large percentage of the elite belong to a group that makes up a tiny percentage of the total population.

    And, yes, there are poor Jews who are screwed over by the actions of rich Jews. When we say, “Jews are rich and powerful,” we’re talking about a subset of Ashkenazis who have influence far beyond their numbers.

    What is Steve’s motive in allowing people to make anti-Semitic (insufficiently pro-Semitic?) comments? I can’t say. Maybe he’s a Mossad agent who sends long lists of IP addresses back to his masters in Israel. Or maybe he’s a smart guy who’s tired of living in a society whose leading lights are increasingly full of shit. I can’t say.

    • Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer
    @Stan Adams

    I'll try to keep my response short and sweet but will likely fail.

    The following is just an excerpt, but represents the tone of a very common thread about Jewish people:


    Are you going to tell us that Jews – or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind – are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields?
     
    Now, change Jew to White, a few other particulars, and one has the rant of many left-ish people about White Privilege, Patriarchy, and Power, oh you scheming, over-represented white people have all the good stuff and are keeping it from us. And that it is all constructive, by design, to oppress the Other.

    Of course, many Whites respond, hey, we are just being Euros, why don't you get off your whining Duffs of Color and send your own guys to the moon, etc, and for all the smallpox blankets, slavery, Potosi mountains, well, gotta break some eggs, sorry 'bout that but you guys should really be showing gratitude for all our civilizational gifts. And it isn't just a duplicitous ruse, they really feel/believe that they are being sincere.

    But then it is often the same white/euro folks who will turn around and unself-consciously make the effectively same charge against the Jews, hey, you guys are f*cking us and not recognize how it directly mirrors what they condemn as childish, whining when it is directed at them. If they are willing to dismiss the charges of their purported white privilege and power and power, they shouldn't feel miffed if the Jews do the same, after being offended at the suggestion, and regard any complaints about Jewish misdeeds as similarly inconsequential collateral damage, just like white genocides during the Age of Discovery for example, compared to the contributions that they have made over time.

    In other words, GTFU. The universe, which includes the Jews, doesn't care about you and life isn't fair in any regard whatsoever.

    Replies: @Harold

  92. @Matra
    Charging $2 per post would destroy the Kremlin's budget faster than plummeting oil prices. Russian troll army

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Putin’s troll army is overwhelmingly a myth in my opinion. It’s a story mainstream types like though because it explains all the pro-Putin, pro-Russian, anti-globalist posts they see all over the place. Go ahead and check the track record of the people making pro-Russian posts online and you’ll find they’ve also made lots of posts on the domestic affairs of the countries they claim to be from. Believing these posts are made by paid Putin trolls is comforting though and that’s why the myth has legs, I suppose.

  93. Apropos of commenting, I’m going to keep commenting around here until I get a gold box, god damn it.

  94. @5371
    "Jewish opinion magazine" is the first to charge for commenting? I'm certainly not going to comment on that.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @George Taylor

    Like!

  95. I guess the Tablet knows its own readership but I don’t think this model would work well with Gentiles. The kind of Gentiles who can afford to spend $2 a post aren’t the type to make many posts and the type of Gentile who makes lots of posts aren’t the type that’s got that kind of money laying around. Having strong political opinions and having wealth don’t seem to go together in Gentiles.

  96. @Lucky you
    @anonymous-antimarxist


    Really, secular Jews are never ever ever made to feel especially ashamed they are not attending temple and take no interest in what their kosher friends and relatives tell them the Rabbis are saying about them.
     
    Yes. They are not. You are painfully clueless on Jews.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    Look I was a subscriber to TNR for almost two decades and a subscriber to the NYRB for over a decade. Along with TNR & NYRB there must be at least two dozen magazines/websites that deal almost exclusively with Jewish identity. Constant hand wringing over what it means to be a secular Jew. And you find this sort of thing now a days in the NYTs(of course), The Atlantic, Slate, Salon, PBS…….

    Wealthy Jews, secular or religious, fund dozens of charities focused solely or largely on Jewish Identity.

    Leon Wieseltier, post TNR has started something called “The Jewish Review of Books”
    Jewishreviewofbooks.com

    Seriously, what sort of Goyishe Kop do you take me for.

    There is nothing remotely like it in the Catholic/Christian world.

    Either try harder or go get your shinebox!!!

    • Replies: @Scotty G. Vito
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    If you think the tally of Judeo-centric magazines/journals outnumbers that of the expressly Christian ones -- even limiting it just to the titles in print -- then you truly are a moron, and I will fight you

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

  97. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Is it remotely possible that this move may have something to do with an increasing number of average Jews no longer buying into the "Invade the World, Invite the World, Indebt to the World", "Race is a social construct", "Israel is American's closest and only true ally in the world today", "All we need to do is fix the schools" ... brainwashing of the Jewish elites???

    In other words too many Nicholas Stix's leaving comments at the Tablet????

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.

    Maybe it's long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.

    Oh well at least the Tablet is on top things and is taking a firm stand!!!

    Hopefully the Tablet's loss will be Mondoweiss's gain.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SFG, @Hipster

    Count me as one Jew that no longer buys that load

  98. Oh no, that certainly isn’t a good idea to do here, even if you used a non-cash verification system for baseline commenting privileges. The effect would be just devastating to the exalted level of coherent commentary found here. By the way, here are some off-topic links to CNN, ESPN, Marie Claire, Guns & Ammo, a Youtube video I was watching at 2am last night, a Wikipedia article about how laundry detergent packs work, and a list of various items I couldn’t move during a recent garage sale [lnk] [lnk] [lnk] [lnk] [lnk] [lnk]

  99. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Lucky you

    Look I was a subscriber to TNR for almost two decades and a subscriber to the NYRB for over a decade. Along with TNR & NYRB there must be at least two dozen magazines/websites that deal almost exclusively with Jewish identity. Constant hand wringing over what it means to be a secular Jew. And you find this sort of thing now a days in the NYTs(of course), The Atlantic, Slate, Salon, PBS.......

    Wealthy Jews, secular or religious, fund dozens of charities focused solely or largely on Jewish Identity.

    Leon Wieseltier, post TNR has started something called "The Jewish Review of Books"
    Jewishreviewofbooks.com

    Seriously, what sort of Goyishe Kop do you take me for.

    There is nothing remotely like it in the Catholic/Christian world.

    Either try harder or go get your shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Scotty G. Vito

    If you think the tally of Judeo-centric magazines/journals outnumbers that of the expressly Christian ones — even limiting it just to the titles in print — then you truly are a moron, and I will fight you

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Scotty G. Vito

    Go ahead Internet Tough Guy,

    Please list Catholic/Christian websites/magazined obsessed with defining and guilt tripping the lapsed into holding firm to, or returning to, a specific identity.

    I'm waiting.....

    While there is such a thing as a lapsed Catholic/Christian who leaves the faith only to return later in life, it is remarkable how many of them like Whittaker Chambers or Malcolm Muggeridge embraced Marxism, a distinctly Jewish non scientific ideology, before finding out how lost they were and running back, on their own volition, to what they knew before.

    Now get your shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Maj. Kong

  100. @Maj. Kong
    @syonredux

    There's no Muslim Jacob Javits equivalent, the establishment press would slit its own throat if they started attacking Islam critics. They'd be targeting everyone from Niall Ferguson to Donald Trump.

    The US isn't the UK, where there are Muslims descended from the colonial elite diaspora. We've got NOI and Somali refugees.

    Now, if the conservative base found out that Grover Norquist works for Islam (heresy to our Fascist friends on here), that would be much more productive towards driving him out.

    The Big Question must be: Higher Marginal Tax Rates vs. al-Hijra

    ---

    The effusive Buckley praise, by the intellectual descendants of those (Hofstader, Vidal, et. al) who called him a dangerous radical, needs to be buried six feet under.

    Replies: @Scotty G. Vito

    Norquist’s allegiance to CAIR/AAADC was a big story back in 2002. It was sort of his boutique variant on the “Hispanics are natural conservatives” meme except with Muslims; the number of Muslim voters being what it is, this breakthrough idea in political strategy kind of, uh, bombed… But George W. Bush had campaigned against the secret evidence laws in 2000 and Norquist gave his own operation credit for that. Basically what you’re referring to is, in light of the Abramoff fiasco subsequently, old news, or you’re just shadowboxing with the archives of CrooksAndLiars or TalkingPointsMemos… Grover never had pull with the evangelical Christian Hannity-worshiping subset, was always more on the Dow Jones/Koch record-profits-libertarian side of things

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  102. @Scotty G. Vito
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    If you think the tally of Judeo-centric magazines/journals outnumbers that of the expressly Christian ones -- even limiting it just to the titles in print -- then you truly are a moron, and I will fight you

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    Go ahead Internet Tough Guy,

    Please list Catholic/Christian websites/magazined obsessed with defining and guilt tripping the lapsed into holding firm to, or returning to, a specific identity.

    I’m waiting…..

    While there is such a thing as a lapsed Catholic/Christian who leaves the faith only to return later in life, it is remarkable how many of them like Whittaker Chambers or Malcolm Muggeridge embraced Marxism, a distinctly Jewish non scientific ideology, before finding out how lost they were and running back, on their own volition, to what they knew before.

    Now get your shinebox!!!

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Catholic_Reporter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal

    Does the name Maureen Dowd ring a bell? How about John* and Theresa Kerry?

    *We know your response already

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    , @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Not to mention, Georgetown University.

  103. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    FYI, TNR has taken down the David Samuels’ article about Obama. Wonder if it’s on Wayback.

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.

    No he doesn’t and no they don’t. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren’t restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market. (It might be because a large proportion of them are or are related to computer programmers who got screwed by foreign imports.) The last holdout was my liberal Protestant Texas Republican friend whose family employs cheap illegal labor. Even she admits it was a mistake.

    Maybe it’s long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.

    Oy. This is what happens when you read too much Kevin MacDonald.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @WhatEvvs


    No he doesn’t and no they don’t. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren’t restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market.
     
    You know that is just great. But since your friends are both Jewish and opposed to Open Borders why don't they speak up. They should be far less likely of being accused of being waycists and xenophobes by the likes of he ADL and SPLC.

    No, they probably won't be called waycists and xenophobes, instead they will be called bad Jews.

    I despised Eric Cantor. But I will grant him one note of sympathy. Whenever he backed one inch away from being a 100% pro Open Borders lunatic, he was attacked from the Jewish Open Border groups for not being a good Jew.

    The open borders zealots at Bend The Arc literally ran ads saying "Eric Cantor what would you bubbe think"

    http://bendthearc.us/news/politico-ad-eric-cantor-what-would-your-bubbe-think

    Bemused????

    My Ass!!!

    Now Go Get Your Shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @dcite
    @WhatEvvs

    Yeah, that's true. I have a friend who was born Jewish (long story about what she is now), who always seemed like a loony lib. But she has also said that everyone has a right to their own "peoples'" nation -- a response to her shock about the number of Muslims in Switzerland. She's head of some diversity initiative at work and noted the blacks were angry about the influx of Hispanics taking their spots, which to her was natural because there were more hispanics. I said, well, how 'bout I go to China and insist they hire me because they're all Chinese and so boring and undiversified." She just grinned. She's pro-hispanic up to a point, but she knows we already have more than enough and she does not want illegals. Very against that.

  104. @27 year old
    Jewish magazine charges people to post comments...


    ....








    .....

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Jewish magazine charges people to post comments…

    Pretty lullzy isn’t it. A bit like “Jewish charity charges homeless for distributing aid.”

  105. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Scotty G. Vito

    Go ahead Internet Tough Guy,

    Please list Catholic/Christian websites/magazined obsessed with defining and guilt tripping the lapsed into holding firm to, or returning to, a specific identity.

    I'm waiting.....

    While there is such a thing as a lapsed Catholic/Christian who leaves the faith only to return later in life, it is remarkable how many of them like Whittaker Chambers or Malcolm Muggeridge embraced Marxism, a distinctly Jewish non scientific ideology, before finding out how lost they were and running back, on their own volition, to what they knew before.

    Now get your shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Maj. Kong

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Catholic_Reporter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal

    Does the name Maureen Dowd ring a bell? How about John* and Theresa Kerry?

    *We know your response already

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Maj. Kong

    Ok that is maybe two small publications for the huge number of Catholics relative to Jews. But do they really hound, cajole and guilt trip Catholics over their identity??? Because that is a tactic that has limited appeal to Catholics.

    Keep at it Maj Kong.

  106. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Scotty G. Vito

    Go ahead Internet Tough Guy,

    Please list Catholic/Christian websites/magazined obsessed with defining and guilt tripping the lapsed into holding firm to, or returning to, a specific identity.

    I'm waiting.....

    While there is such a thing as a lapsed Catholic/Christian who leaves the faith only to return later in life, it is remarkable how many of them like Whittaker Chambers or Malcolm Muggeridge embraced Marxism, a distinctly Jewish non scientific ideology, before finding out how lost they were and running back, on their own volition, to what they knew before.

    Now get your shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Maj. Kong

    Not to mention, Georgetown University.

  107. @WhatEvvs
    FYI, TNR has taken down the David Samuels' article about Obama. Wonder if it's on Wayback.

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.
     
    No he doesn't and no they don't. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren't restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market. (It might be because a large proportion of them are or are related to computer programmers who got screwed by foreign imports.) The last holdout was my liberal Protestant Texas Republican friend whose family employs cheap illegal labor. Even she admits it was a mistake.

    Maybe it’s long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.
     
    Oy. This is what happens when you read too much Kevin MacDonald.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @dcite

    No he doesn’t and no they don’t. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren’t restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market.

    You know that is just great. But since your friends are both Jewish and opposed to Open Borders why don’t they speak up. They should be far less likely of being accused of being waycists and xenophobes by the likes of he ADL and SPLC.

    No, they probably won’t be called waycists and xenophobes, instead they will be called bad Jews.

    I despised Eric Cantor. But I will grant him one note of sympathy. Whenever he backed one inch away from being a 100% pro Open Borders lunatic, he was attacked from the Jewish Open Border groups for not being a good Jew.

    The open borders zealots at Bend The Arc literally ran ads saying “Eric Cantor what would you bubbe think”

    http://bendthearc.us/news/politico-ad-eric-cantor-what-would-your-bubbe-think

    Bemused????

    My Ass!!!

    Now Go Get Your Shinebox!!!

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The website FrontPage is solidly conservative and anti-open borders and was started by David Horowitz, a former leftist who changed sides some time ago.

    He features both Jewish and non-Jewish writers.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

  108. Why do so few people here want to give Steve more money-with maybe less panhandling?

  109. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Catholic_Reporter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal

    Does the name Maureen Dowd ring a bell? How about John* and Theresa Kerry?

    *We know your response already

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    Ok that is maybe two small publications for the huge number of Catholics relative to Jews. But do they really hound, cajole and guilt trip Catholics over their identity??? Because that is a tactic that has limited appeal to Catholics.

    Keep at it Maj Kong.

  110. @Stan Adams
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    You're making a strawman. Jews don't have to be "all-powerful and bent upon the destruction of all that is good and worthy" in order to have a profound effect on our society. They don't even have to be acting consciously as a group. But certain Jews do certain things that make one wonder whether their influence is benign.

    Before you say, "You don't know any Jews!", let me tell you that I know more than a few, including a chain-smoking Bronx-born waitress whose kids all married Catholics. (If you give her a lousy tip, she'll call you on it - "What, you didn't like the service?")

    Are you going to tell us that Jews - or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind - are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields? If so, then you might as well try to convince us that the Easter Bunny wants to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge, or that the Tooth Fairy needs our help in transferring $432 million from her Nigerian bank accounts. We're not that dumb.

    Whether the vast Jewish overrepresentation in the ranks of the wealthy and powerful is "bad," or whether someone (who?) should do something (what?) about it, is another question altogether.

    Some decisions made by some wealthy, powerful Jews have had, do have, and will have a profound negative impact on the lives of goyim. But we live in a society where downtrodden goys are not even allowed to mention, let alone to bemoan, the fact that many - not all, but many - of their overlords are Jewish. Even if those Jews are not acting any more illegitimately than WASPs or others would, it still bears mentioning that a large percentage of the elite belong to a group that makes up a tiny percentage of the total population.

    And, yes, there are poor Jews who are screwed over by the actions of rich Jews. When we say, "Jews are rich and powerful," we're talking about a subset of Ashkenazis who have influence far beyond their numbers.

    What is Steve's motive in allowing people to make anti-Semitic (insufficiently pro-Semitic?) comments? I can't say. Maybe he's a Mossad agent who sends long lists of IP addresses back to his masters in Israel. Or maybe he's a smart guy who's tired of living in a society whose leading lights are increasingly full of shit. I can't say.

    Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer

    I’ll try to keep my response short and sweet but will likely fail.

    The following is just an excerpt, but represents the tone of a very common thread about Jewish people:

    Are you going to tell us that Jews – or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind – are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields?

    Now, change Jew to White, a few other particulars, and one has the rant of many left-ish people about White Privilege, Patriarchy, and Power, oh you scheming, over-represented white people have all the good stuff and are keeping it from us. And that it is all constructive, by design, to oppress the Other.

    Of course, many Whites respond, hey, we are just being Euros, why don’t you get off your whining Duffs of Color and send your own guys to the moon, etc, and for all the smallpox blankets, slavery, Potosi mountains, well, gotta break some eggs, sorry ’bout that but you guys should really be showing gratitude for all our civilizational gifts. And it isn’t just a duplicitous ruse, they really feel/believe that they are being sincere.

    But then it is often the same white/euro folks who will turn around and unself-consciously make the effectively same charge against the Jews, hey, you guys are f*cking us and not recognize how it directly mirrors what they condemn as childish, whining when it is directed at them. If they are willing to dismiss the charges of their purported white privilege and power and power, they shouldn’t feel miffed if the Jews do the same, after being offended at the suggestion, and regard any complaints about Jewish misdeeds as similarly inconsequential collateral damage, just like white genocides during the Age of Discovery for example, compared to the contributions that they have made over time.

    In other words, GTFU. The universe, which includes the Jews, doesn’t care about you and life isn’t fair in any regard whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Harold
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    How many times do we need to go over this?
    The most strident anti-Jews want their own society without Jews.
    The most strident anti-Whites want to partake of the benefits White societies. They don’t want to live in their own societies without Whites.
    This is an obvious, fundamental difference.

    Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer

  111. Someone said–don’t make me look back–that comments can’t continue because they cost a fortune to support and administer and, these days, mess with the desired message. I agree, but then I’ve been wondering for a decade or more why media outlets offer comments at all. I can think of nothing they provide that the outlets want.

    I grant you (or myself) that the trends are still pointing in the direction I expected. But a whole lot slower. Maybe disqus provides the service for free, or something.

    In any event, if there were a serious attempt to charge for comments, then it would kill comments. I imagine Twitter would take up some of the slack.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @education realist

    The basic Disqus system is provided free I believe.

  112. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @WhatEvvs


    No he doesn’t and no they don’t. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren’t restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market.
     
    You know that is just great. But since your friends are both Jewish and opposed to Open Borders why don't they speak up. They should be far less likely of being accused of being waycists and xenophobes by the likes of he ADL and SPLC.

    No, they probably won't be called waycists and xenophobes, instead they will be called bad Jews.

    I despised Eric Cantor. But I will grant him one note of sympathy. Whenever he backed one inch away from being a 100% pro Open Borders lunatic, he was attacked from the Jewish Open Border groups for not being a good Jew.

    The open borders zealots at Bend The Arc literally ran ads saying "Eric Cantor what would you bubbe think"

    http://bendthearc.us/news/politico-ad-eric-cantor-what-would-your-bubbe-think

    Bemused????

    My Ass!!!

    Now Go Get Your Shinebox!!!

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    The website FrontPage is solidly conservative and anti-open borders and was started by David Horowitz, a former leftist who changed sides some time ago.

    He features both Jewish and non-Jewish writers.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Frau Katze

    And Yes there are a number of prominent Jews on the web strongly opposed to Open Borders,

    Dan Stein, Ira Mehlman(Both of FAIR Federation for American Immigration Reform), INS Agent Michael Cutler, the late Larry Auster(who while he later converted to Catholicism but worked for David Horowitz for a number of years), Nicholas Stix and several more.

    What ties these men together is that they are truly patriotic and anti-marxist opponents to Open Borders.

    But make no doubt all of above have had their Judaism call into question based on their opposition to Open Borders by fellow Jews. Horowitz is constantly be attack largely by other Jews as an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe.

    I wish I had the video. Back in the mid 2000's during the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty push, FAIR was trying to host a live press conference at the National Press Club on the impact of the legislation to be simulcast on C-SPAN. Either Dan Stein or Ira Mehlman was hosting.

    The presentation lasted about 10 to 15 minutes when an obviously unhinged man identified himself as Jewish and sighting information he probably got from the SPLC and ADL, began attacking FAIR for being led by Jews whose very policy positions on immigration were similar to those alleged responsible for the Holocaust generations earlier.

    It was actually pretty scary. While security and police were being gathered fearing the man may be armed, members of the press simply got up and fled the room effectively shutting down the press conference.

    If you know the history of FAIR, they have endured this sort thing for decades.

    So yes you are not saying anything new and I think you know that.

    You comment is simply a self congratulatory attempt at cast the other as a rube. Not going to work.

  113. Resolved for the weekend: drop certain paywall leftish sites (subscribing by habit), and sent something to Steve.

  114. @Borachio
    @Lurker

    I've commented several times on Tablet, and I read it regularly. The comment sections seem pretty civil and intelligent, unlike those at Haaretz, a Jewish news site where the comments sometimes get pretty nasty. Tablet rarely covers hot-button political issues. Its coverage of NPR-style social issues gets a little annoying, but that's as bad as it gets.

    If a pay-to-comment policy were instituted at The New York Times, I'd be more inclined to believe that its purpose was to shut up commenters or identify them to the relevant secret police agencies.

    However, at the Tablet site, I just don't know. Maybe they're just trying out a new business model, like most other commercial sites on the web.

    Replies: @Karl

    >>> unlike those at Haaretz, a Jewish news site where the comments sometimes get pretty nasty.

    another archetypical example of why Israeli-Americans ALMOST NEVER socialize with “Jewish Americans”. The J-A’s are too lazy to learn to read basic Hebrew.

    the actual, Hebrew version of Haaretz is a different ball of wax than the anglo one….. which by the way, has a paywall.

    Yep, the pinkos in TelAviv have discovered a way to get pinkos worldwide to PAY for the privilege of saying nasty things about the Hebrew country.

  115. @International Jew
    As a rule, the commenters at Jewish papers and magazines are right of the editors. Crotchety old men with lots of time on their hands are prominent.

    Rabbis are usually left of their congregants. People go to synagogue because they value tradition (to varying degrees of course), which naturally selects for conservative personalities. Rabbis (non-orthodox ones that is) go into that line of work because they want to "make the world a better place" or some such.

    Replies: @Karl

    >> Rabbis (non-orthodox ones that is) go into that line of work because they want to “make the world a better place” or some such.

    no, they do it because they are Attention Whores.

    Gaining Smikhoot is quite a bit of work (although the Reform and the Reform-flavors have watered THAT down a LOT).

    Too much effort for an average SJW.

  116. @Ex Submarine Officer
    @Stan Adams

    I'll try to keep my response short and sweet but will likely fail.

    The following is just an excerpt, but represents the tone of a very common thread about Jewish people:


    Are you going to tell us that Jews – or, if you must, Jews of a certain kind – are not vastly overrepresented on Wall Street, in Hollywood, on Madison Avenue, in politics, in broadcasting, in the press, in publishing, in academia, and in so many other fields?
     
    Now, change Jew to White, a few other particulars, and one has the rant of many left-ish people about White Privilege, Patriarchy, and Power, oh you scheming, over-represented white people have all the good stuff and are keeping it from us. And that it is all constructive, by design, to oppress the Other.

    Of course, many Whites respond, hey, we are just being Euros, why don't you get off your whining Duffs of Color and send your own guys to the moon, etc, and for all the smallpox blankets, slavery, Potosi mountains, well, gotta break some eggs, sorry 'bout that but you guys should really be showing gratitude for all our civilizational gifts. And it isn't just a duplicitous ruse, they really feel/believe that they are being sincere.

    But then it is often the same white/euro folks who will turn around and unself-consciously make the effectively same charge against the Jews, hey, you guys are f*cking us and not recognize how it directly mirrors what they condemn as childish, whining when it is directed at them. If they are willing to dismiss the charges of their purported white privilege and power and power, they shouldn't feel miffed if the Jews do the same, after being offended at the suggestion, and regard any complaints about Jewish misdeeds as similarly inconsequential collateral damage, just like white genocides during the Age of Discovery for example, compared to the contributions that they have made over time.

    In other words, GTFU. The universe, which includes the Jews, doesn't care about you and life isn't fair in any regard whatsoever.

    Replies: @Harold

    How many times do we need to go over this?
    The most strident anti-Jews want their own society without Jews.
    The most strident anti-Whites want to partake of the benefits White societies. They don’t want to live in their own societies without Whites.
    This is an obvious, fundamental difference.

    • Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer
    @Harold


    How many times do we need to go over this?
    The most strident anti-Jews want their own society without Jews.
    The most strident anti-Whites want to partake of the benefits White societies. They don’t want to live in their own societies without Whites.
    This is an obvious, fundamental difference.
     
    Hmm, I keep hearing about how Jews have been kicked out of a 100 countries over the past 2000 years.

    I'm guessing white people have been kicked out of that many, starting with maybe Haitian revolution, over the only last 200 years.

    I think you are confusing wanting white people's stuff with wanting to live around white people. People want Jewish people's stuff too. Jews also have displayed segregating behaviors between themselves and the non-Jews. Seems pretty similar and different only in degree/particulars but if you see it differently, fine. One doesn't expect dispassionate logic of Mugabe, Farrakhan, and other racial nationalists either, it is an emotional topic wherein one's ethny is right and why they are right proceeds from that rather than vice versa.

  117. @International Jew
    Even a small fee could greatly improve the average comment quality at those places where left and right meet today for extended pissing contests--The Atlantic and local papers notably. People who today just can't let go and give the other guy that last word could save face by saying, "This will be my last comment on this thread, as responding to you is not worth a nickel."

    Replies: @Lurker

    I was banned from The Atlantic only last week!

  118. @education realist
    Someone said--don't make me look back--that comments can't continue because they cost a fortune to support and administer and, these days, mess with the desired message. I agree, but then I've been wondering for a decade or more why media outlets offer comments at all. I can think of nothing they provide that the outlets want.

    I grant you (or myself) that the trends are still pointing in the direction I expected. But a whole lot slower. Maybe disqus provides the service for free, or something.

    In any event, if there were a serious attempt to charge for comments, then it would kill comments. I imagine Twitter would take up some of the slack.

    Replies: @Lurker

    The basic Disqus system is provided free I believe.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Other sites have instituted onet-time posting fees, same principle and it works to a degree. SomethingAwful ($10) and Metafilter ($4). SomethingAwful also relies on the fact that Internet garbage that populates a large portion of that site will inevitably get banned and desperately fork over another ten bucks to get back in, rinse and repeat; and the ability to pay a few bucks to attach (or remove) a humiliating custom message next to a username. None of those seem directly applicable here.

  120. @Frau Katze
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The website FrontPage is solidly conservative and anti-open borders and was started by David Horowitz, a former leftist who changed sides some time ago.

    He features both Jewish and non-Jewish writers.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    And Yes there are a number of prominent Jews on the web strongly opposed to Open Borders,

    Dan Stein, Ira Mehlman(Both of FAIR Federation for American Immigration Reform), INS Agent Michael Cutler, the late Larry Auster(who while he later converted to Catholicism but worked for David Horowitz for a number of years), Nicholas Stix and several more.

    What ties these men together is that they are truly patriotic and anti-marxist opponents to Open Borders.

    But make no doubt all of above have had their Judaism call into question based on their opposition to Open Borders by fellow Jews. Horowitz is constantly be attack largely by other Jews as an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe.

    I wish I had the video. Back in the mid 2000’s during the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty push, FAIR was trying to host a live press conference at the National Press Club on the impact of the legislation to be simulcast on C-SPAN. Either Dan Stein or Ira Mehlman was hosting.

    The presentation lasted about 10 to 15 minutes when an obviously unhinged man identified himself as Jewish and sighting information he probably got from the SPLC and ADL, began attacking FAIR for being led by Jews whose very policy positions on immigration were similar to those alleged responsible for the Holocaust generations earlier.

    It was actually pretty scary. While security and police were being gathered fearing the man may be armed, members of the press simply got up and fled the room effectively shutting down the press conference.

    If you know the history of FAIR, they have endured this sort thing for decades.

    So yes you are not saying anything new and I think you know that.

    You comment is simply a self congratulatory attempt at cast the other as a rube. Not going to work.

  121. @Harold
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    How many times do we need to go over this?
    The most strident anti-Jews want their own society without Jews.
    The most strident anti-Whites want to partake of the benefits White societies. They don’t want to live in their own societies without Whites.
    This is an obvious, fundamental difference.

    Replies: @Ex Submarine Officer

    How many times do we need to go over this?
    The most strident anti-Jews want their own society without Jews.
    The most strident anti-Whites want to partake of the benefits White societies. They don’t want to live in their own societies without Whites.
    This is an obvious, fundamental difference.

    Hmm, I keep hearing about how Jews have been kicked out of a 100 countries over the past 2000 years.

    I’m guessing white people have been kicked out of that many, starting with maybe Haitian revolution, over the only last 200 years.

    I think you are confusing wanting white people’s stuff with wanting to live around white people. People want Jewish people’s stuff too. Jews also have displayed segregating behaviors between themselves and the non-Jews. Seems pretty similar and different only in degree/particulars but if you see it differently, fine. One doesn’t expect dispassionate logic of Mugabe, Farrakhan, and other racial nationalists either, it is an emotional topic wherein one’s ethny is right and why they are right proceeds from that rather than vice versa.

  122. Is it any wonder why the Main Stream Media is losing market share.

    The Main Stream Media has allowed Anti-White, Race-Baiting shills to castigate Europeans with impunity.

    Europeans have quietly retaliated by refusing to purchase Zionist Newspapers, Magazines, Movie tickets and have turned off their TV’s.

    Zionist influence is waning, their entire media machine is on the verge of collapse, they are becoming less relevant every day and they know their time is short.

    Currently the world’s most popular media outlets come Via the INTERNET & YOUTUBE

    The day of reckoning is almost here

  123. Now, change Jew to White, a few other particulars, and one has the rant of many left-ish people about White Privilege, Patriarchy, and Power, oh you scheming, over-represented white people have all the good stuff and are keeping it from us. And that it is all constructive, by design, to oppress the Other.

    We can go down this road, but it’s best to arm for bear. I have seen so much textbook leftism employed by “right-wing” “HBD-aware” types defending Jews that it’s kinda funny to me at this point. They tear the arguments to shreds when they’re deployed on behalf of blacks, then turn around and use the exact same arguments to defend Jews.

    But instead, let’s reflect on how much of the leftist ranting you refer to comes from Jews. I wonder what the correlation is between whites with a bullhorn who criticize whites qua whites, and Jewishness. I bet it’s relatively high. I can certainly find some articles for you.

    Of course, many Whites respond, hey, we are just being Euros, why don’t you get off your whining Duffs of Color and send your own guys to the moon, etc, and for all the smallpox blankets, slavery, Potosi mountains, well, gotta break some eggs, sorry ’bout that but you guys should really be showing gratitude for all our civilizational gifts. And it isn’t just a duplicitous ruse, they really feel/believe that they are being sincere.

    Hey, if Jews don’t like living among Euros, they should go to Israel. Given all the complaining they’ve done about us, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable response. It’s not like we’re the ones demanding access to all of their societies, wherever they may exist in the known universe. No, it’s the reverse; whites are fine with Jews having Israel (very supportive in many cases), but Jews are absolutely not fine with whites having their own Israels (that no more welcome Jews than Jews welcome whites).

    But then it is often the same white/euro folks who will turn around and unself-consciously make the effectively same charge against the Jews, hey, you guys are f*cking us and not recognize how it directly mirrors what they condemn as childish, whining when it is directed at them.

    Well, there is the minor point of whether each claim is accurate. Crazy talk, I know. I reject blacks’ claim because it’s wrong on the merits, not because it’s inherently absurd.

    I’ve been over this can-of-worms argument from you guys before (many times). It doesn’t serve you well. Because, politically, blacks and Jews are like peas in a pod. Both follow white societies all over the Earth, demanding entry and a servile form of respect. Both are fine with homelands exclusively for their own kind (Israel, Liberia), but flip their wigs at the idea of homelands exclusively for Euros. Both vote 75%+ democrat. Both take a hostile view toward Euros. Both have playing the victim/race card down to a science. Both have identities that center around victimhood (justifying hostility and malfeasance). I can go on and on like this, if you want to see the extent.

    If they are willing to dismiss the charges of their purported white privilege and power and power, they shouldn’t feel miffed if the Jews do the same, after being offended at the suggestion, and regard any complaints about Jewish misdeeds as similarly inconsequential collateral damage, just like white genocides during the Age of Discovery for example, compared to the contributions that they have made over time.

    Using your logic, an innocent man who is charged with murder shouldn’t object to a guilty man getting away with murder. Calling it logic is too generous. Whites are manifestly un-privileged by the system. Jews and whites are at opposite ends of America’s racial hierarchy. I can imagine the screaming if someone proposed counting Jews for the purposes of quotas, set-asides, and “Affirmative Action,” the way we count white heads.

    Or, it’s like a man who rules out the concept of a law against murder because one man was falsely accused.

    I don’t object to Jewish privilege in Israel, per se (though I often do in the context of reciprocity), so I wouldn’t see the problem with white privilege in white countries, if it actually existed.

  124. Boy, talk about reinforcing a stereotype.

    It should be noted that a certain ME country that receives approximately $8m a day from US taxpayers has acknowledged that it pays it’s citizens to write positive comments regarding their tribe on the internet.

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/internet-users-paid-spread-israeli-propaganda/8355

    This seems to be a logical next step. They can censor the goyim who are critical and subsidize their propaganda with free money.

  125. @Whiskey
    Television Without Pity, the formerly "big" (most traffic) website for TV fans, lost traffic in a major way when they limited comments. The same goes true for Comic Book fan sites, which also lost traffic when mods made comments nearly impossible or turned them off.

    The money (traffic driving ad revenue) is in letting people say what they want. Since the barrier to competition is about $100 or so -- fees for hosting at GoDaddy and when traffic spikes so does ad revenue allowing easy movement to a higher bandwidth system since the money is already coming in -- you see a fairly competitive environment.

    It is true that the money made from high traffic websites is less than you'd think. Ad revenues are constantly trending down online. But there is no shortage of informed people happy to set up blogs, or forums, to allow comments on almost anything. Heck there are forums just for shaving.

    Replies: @dcite

    Television Without Pity was a great site, talking about virtually every show on since the 50s, The comments were very good and you had many an ah ha moment, thinking back about why some show jumped the shark or stayed good or affected you in a certain way. Then not only were new comments disallowed, they apparently trashed years of comments, some of them sterling. That was a surprise. I understand why they censor political, racial, pharmaceutical, medical, etc. But sitcoms? What are they afraid of there? They knew people didn’t want to see their words disappear. I wrote to complain and the response was some gibberish about the site still welcoming comments. Yeah–so they can trash the lot. TWP was a historical document, not just a transient twitter site. Too bad.

  126. @WhatEvvs
    FYI, TNR has taken down the David Samuels' article about Obama. Wonder if it's on Wayback.

    Kevin MacDonald over at the Occidential Observer, does a pretty good job explaining how the Rabbis and Jewish elite do a relentless job of hammering the average jew into line through fear and intimidation of the threat of group ostracization.
     
    No he doesn't and no they don't. Actually most of my Jewish friends are now immigration restrictionists. The ones who aren't restrictionists are against illegals flooding the market. (It might be because a large proportion of them are or are related to computer programmers who got screwed by foreign imports.) The last holdout was my liberal Protestant Texas Republican friend whose family employs cheap illegal labor. Even she admits it was a mistake.

    Maybe it’s long over due for average Jews to tell the Rabbis, NeoCons and Cultural Marxist Commissars to take a hike??? Of course, doing so, pretty much means stopping being a Jew.
     
    Oy. This is what happens when you read too much Kevin MacDonald.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @dcite

    Yeah, that’s true. I have a friend who was born Jewish (long story about what she is now), who always seemed like a loony lib. But she has also said that everyone has a right to their own “peoples’” nation — a response to her shock about the number of Muslims in Switzerland. She’s head of some diversity initiative at work and noted the blacks were angry about the influx of Hispanics taking their spots, which to her was natural because there were more hispanics. I said, well, how ’bout I go to China and insist they hire me because they’re all Chinese and so boring and undiversified.” She just grinned. She’s pro-hispanic up to a point, but she knows we already have more than enough and she does not want illegals. Very against that.

  127. I said, well, how ’bout I go to China and insist they hire me because they’re all Chinese and so boring and undiversified.” She just grinned.

    I occasionally follow a similar line of reasoning when in the U.S. and end up in a discussion about identity issues w/aggrieved members of a minority. I tell them, living in Japan, I’ve also felt the stigma of being different, the other, the stares of small children, the intrusive questions about my hair, my skin color, the very structure of my body, the landlords who won’t rent to foreigners, the seat next to me often remaining empty, radioactively so, on an otherwise jam-packed subway car, etc, etc…

    Even in my wife’s family register, an official document, I’m sort of degraded to a non-person, as, being non-Japanese, our marriage is recorded in the “other/comments” section for random information rather than the official marriage section where marriage to another Japanese would be recorded.

    And there is no portion of any government sympathetic to my needs looking out for me, no advocates, and not even much solidarity/support with other members of my class since, at least in my neck of the woods, white foreigners are very few and far between.

    Being a classic, able-bodied, heterosexual male WASP right out of central casting, though, I’m treated warily by the lefties when going on in this vein, but the resistance stays muted, as my script is theirs as well and having so little experience of dealing with a person of my class describing their own lived discriminatory experience, they are lacking canned objecting responses (although they usually are clearly searching for them) . But then, for gravy, is my mixed race son, the only dot of diversity in his 1k strong elementary school, it is like 1957, marching up to Little Rock Central High every day for the poor lad when he goes to school.

    BTW, this is all no lie, although on whole I quite enjoy Japan. But I’ve certainly learned what it is like to be a highly visible minority in a society that in no way celebrates diversity. I’ve also learned how to function as an illiterate, which has been both interesting and unpleasant.

    Anyhow, while I usually don’t get accorded full victim status by the official victims, such discussions tend to take some of the wind out the sails of my U.S. counterpart victim, as, again, me being a classic WASP, etc, their complaints are often at least obliquely directed at me personally as a stand-in representative of the overlord class.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ex Submarine Officer

    Behind your back, they're all saying "Here comes whitey, prepare to be enriched."

  128. @Ex Submarine Officer

    I said, well, how ’bout I go to China and insist they hire me because they’re all Chinese and so boring and undiversified.” She just grinned.
     
    I occasionally follow a similar line of reasoning when in the U.S. and end up in a discussion about identity issues w/aggrieved members of a minority. I tell them, living in Japan, I've also felt the stigma of being different, the other, the stares of small children, the intrusive questions about my hair, my skin color, the very structure of my body, the landlords who won't rent to foreigners, the seat next to me often remaining empty, radioactively so, on an otherwise jam-packed subway car, etc, etc...

    Even in my wife's family register, an official document, I'm sort of degraded to a non-person, as, being non-Japanese, our marriage is recorded in the "other/comments" section for random information rather than the official marriage section where marriage to another Japanese would be recorded.

    And there is no portion of any government sympathetic to my needs looking out for me, no advocates, and not even much solidarity/support with other members of my class since, at least in my neck of the woods, white foreigners are very few and far between.

    Being a classic, able-bodied, heterosexual male WASP right out of central casting, though, I'm treated warily by the lefties when going on in this vein, but the resistance stays muted, as my script is theirs as well and having so little experience of dealing with a person of my class describing their own lived discriminatory experience, they are lacking canned objecting responses (although they usually are clearly searching for them) . But then, for gravy, is my mixed race son, the only dot of diversity in his 1k strong elementary school, it is like 1957, marching up to Little Rock Central High every day for the poor lad when he goes to school.

    BTW, this is all no lie, although on whole I quite enjoy Japan. But I've certainly learned what it is like to be a highly visible minority in a society that in no way celebrates diversity. I've also learned how to function as an illiterate, which has been both interesting and unpleasant.

    Anyhow, while I usually don't get accorded full victim status by the official victims, such discussions tend to take some of the wind out the sails of my U.S. counterpart victim, as, again, me being a classic WASP, etc, their complaints are often at least obliquely directed at me personally as a stand-in representative of the overlord class.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Behind your back, they’re all saying “Here comes whitey, prepare to be enriched.”

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