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From a New York Times editorial:

France Fails to Face Up to Racism
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD DEC. 28, 2017

Rokhaya Diallo is a French journalist whose most noted work addresses a concept that doesn’t officially exist in France.

Ms. Diallo’s documentary “From Paris to Ferguson: Guilty of Being Black” examines the pervasiveness of ethnic profiling in abusive police identity checks. She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France. She has called all this evidence of institutional racism.

That view has led the right wing, and some on the left, to successfully pressure the government of President Emmanuel Macron to oust her from a government advisory council, exposing a hypocrisy at the heart of French nationalism. …

Mr. Macron has tried to project the image of a forward-looking, inclusive leader. This is a blot on that image and highlights the pressing need in France for an open debate on racism.

 
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  1. She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.

    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he’s behind this movement.

    I’m remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization—likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a “Black Lives Matter” movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it’s rise, logic be danged.

    • Replies: @donut
    @whorefinder

    A BLM movement doesn't make any sense in this country either .

    , @AKAHorace
    @whorefinder

    '

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a “Black Lives Matter” movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it’s rise, logic be danged.


    I don't think that you need an international conspiracy to explain this. A lot of it (certainly in Canada) is:

    the Americans have a BLM, well we will have a BLM movement too !!!.

    Applies to a lot of our political trends.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Jake
    @whorefinder

    It's not just Soros, and it's not just professed Leftist billionaires and multi-millionaires who fund such revolution. Mohammedan filthy rich also fund revolution against 'the West,' as do filthy rich Neocons.

    , @Twodees Partain
    @whorefinder

    "someone was behind that organization—likely the Soviets."

    That meme was as false then as it is now. It's more likely that some schemers with billions were behind the Vietnam war than it is that the war was just and that some evil schemers were behind the movement to end it.

    How is it that you find credible the idea that Soros is behind BLM, but you can't feature that an antiwar movement in '68 could have been a popular uprising? Were you around for the antiwar movement of the late '60s to the early '70s? If you were, how is it that you haven't advanced beyond the idea that the USSR was behind American opposition to a criminal war?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @El Dato
    @whorefinder

    Remember the BLM movement of the UK.

    2016-09-06:

    Black Lives Matter protest stops flights at London City airport: Police arrest seven of nine people chained to tripod on runway in protest against impact of air pollution on black people

    You just need a few crazies following a fad, sponsoring is needed if you go really Big only.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Jaakko Raipala
    @whorefinder

    A counter-point to the "Soviet" theory of 1968 is that at the same time protests were happening in communist countries and the protests that the Soviet Union crushed in Czechoslovakia were not "right-wing", they were a project of leftists who wanted a more liberal socialism than Brezhnev's Soviet bloc. The Prague protests had much more in common with the Western student Left than with the Politburo in Moscow and in fact Western protesters tended to side with the Prague Spring and against the Soviet Union.

    Perhaps what happened in 1968 actually was actually the collapse of Soviet influence in Western Leftist circles. Communism as a roadmap to revolution in Western countries was a dead idea and young Leftists in the West felt that the Soviet Union had little to offer to them. The Soviet Union in Czechoslovakia confirmed its nature as a "conservative" regime only interested in keeping its past gains and not interested in spreading revolution in the West. The ground was set for the emergence of a "new Left".

    So who fed ideas to this "new Left"? My personal conspiracy theory is that much of it was engineered by the CIA and other American deep state organizations to create another international Left to counter Soviet influence. This mind virus project was then so successful that it even took over the masters that it was supposed to serve.

  2. It’s clear the Left is trying to burnish Macron’s nationalist, anti-globalist credentials. Perhaps they seek to push him higher on the European stage, and then have him fail/fall with him taking more than one country down with him?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    , @Neoconned
    @whorefinder

    WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

    France didn't even have a black minority til what? The 1960s? This is lunacy.....

    Replies: @utu

  3. I’m glad that the NY Times has recommended a conversation over race in France.

    It’s worked so great in the US.

    I’m almost tired of all our racial harmony.

    • LOL: whorefinder
  4. “the pressing need in France for an open debate on racism”

    “Open debate” meaning everyone shutting up as whatever it is the NYT editorial board believes is shouted at them.

  5. Anonymous [AKA "Jimminy Mack"] says:

    Meanwhile here in America “Should White Supremacists Be Allowed to Practice Law”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-supremacist-nazi-lawyers_us_5a3d8da8e4b0b0e5a7a2232d?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_source=politics_fb&utm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&section=politics

    Really, now that you mention it, should any non true believers in SJWism be allowed to?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Respecting the rights of communists has proven to be a bad idea, since now that they're in power they clearly have no desire to extend to their political rivals the freedoms that communists were afforded in the 20th century.

  6. @whorefinder
    It's clear the Left is trying to burnish Macron's nationalist, anti-globalist credentials. Perhaps they seek to push him higher on the European stage, and then have him fail/fall with him taking more than one country down with him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Neoconned

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Steve Sailer

    Hey, he's clearly going to turn traitor to the French people, but I was thinking why they would publish such a burnishing here in the U.S., unless they're trying to sucker some other nations' nationalist leaders into getting behind Macron as a sort of Western European Orbán.

    I mean, really, the French have already bought Macron's b.s., so who is the NY Times trying to sell Macron's "tough on immigrants" stance to?

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Ministre du Fromage

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, Babe Ruth served as the Sultan of Swat...

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer


    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Plus you get great dinners at the Elysée Palace, if you like snails and frogs. Better than what The Donald likes, overcooked steaks with kethup.
    “It would rock on the plate, it was so well done,” Anthony Senecal, Trump’s long-time butler, told The New York Times.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Abe
    @Steve Sailer


    Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Swedish international bikini team inspector?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @dfordoom
    @Steve Sailer


    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow
     
    He definitely does seem to be clever. And now he's got the top job in the country for the next five years he seems to have figured out that he can do pretty much what he wants to do. There's no real organised political opposition at this point.

    What he actually wants to do remains a mystery. But the fact that he's apparently been aiming at that top job since he was a schoolboy suggests that he does want to do something.

    He might save France, or he might destroy France. I don't really care that much either way. France has been an enemy of civilisation since 1789. Either way it will be entertaining to watch. Lots of popcorn required.
  7. Probably Pope. But then you can’t even have an older wife.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous


    Probably Pope. But then you can’t even have an older wife.
     
    There ain't but so many Pope jobs open - ever check The Daily Worker<b<* for that kind of employment? Slim pickin's, I tell ya'. Or you can hang around the bars near the Vatican waiting for white smoke, I suppose.

    * I assume that's the kind of publication they'd use for employment ads, just judging by the current so-called "Pope".
  8. I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven’t looked into any of this yet though.

    • Replies: @wren
    @wren

    Yup.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brigitte-macron-french-election-emmanuel-macron-schoolteacher-24-years-older-presidential-campaign-a7699356.html

    , @Paul Rain
    @wren

    The wisdom of crones, eh?

    Replies: @wren

    , @utu
    @wren

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I always suspected that Michelle was behind Obama's toughness and resolve with respect to Israel.

    , @reiner Tor
    @wren

    She, unlike Macron himself, does have children and grandchildren. She might have an incentive to worry about the future of France.

    Replies: @wren

    , @Alec Leamas
    @wren


    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven’t looked into any of this yet though.

     

    What I find really weird about Macron is that he was first acquainted with Brigette's daughter, Tiphaine, who is his contemporary and looks like a reasonable facsimile of Brigette minus 30 years. Maybe it was just the Hot for Teacher aspect?
  9. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    Hey, he’s clearly going to turn traitor to the French people, but I was thinking why they would publish such a burnishing here in the U.S., unless they’re trying to sucker some other nations’ nationalist leaders into getting behind Macron as a sort of Western European Orbán.

    I mean, really, the French have already bought Macron’s b.s., so who is the NY Times trying to sell Macron’s “tough on immigrants” stance to?

  10. OT: this is the top article on CNN.com

    All because KMac is critical of Jewish Supremacy. That is NOT OK.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/27/media/paul-nehlen-steve-bannon-breitbart/index.html

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    This furthers the Bannon Crypto-Nazi meme that caught on like wildfire among the left. The left will enjoy the inevitable fratricide when someone like Cernovich/Posobiec accuses Nehlen of being a plant.

    And to think it started because John Podhoretz can't manage his ego, and deal with the fact that his skills are beneath those of his parents.

    Bannon needs to either reorient his priorities, or leave. Mercerbucks be damned. China is the "far enemy", if that. The neocons are scheming for a runious war with Iran, and Congress is scheming to give the illegals amnesty.

    Replies: @KenH

    , @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Mr. Nehlen best not have any skeletons in the closet. Every dilletante Mossad operative will be pulling out the stops.

    I'd advise precautions for donors on record. If Nehlen is still viable in a few months, the antifa rent-a-mob will be wound up and set loose.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Matra

  11. @whorefinder
    It's clear the Left is trying to burnish Macron's nationalist, anti-globalist credentials. Perhaps they seek to push him higher on the European stage, and then have him fail/fall with him taking more than one country down with him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Neoconned

    WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

    France didn’t even have a black minority til what? The 1960s? This is lunacy…..

    • Replies: @utu
    @Neoconned

    France still does not have a black minority. At least on paper. No data referring to race or ethnicity can be logged by any governmental agency. You are either French (if you are French citizen) or not.
    Is this what French do Sailer's citizenism?

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim

  12. @wren
    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven't looked into any of this yet though.

    Replies: @wren, @Paul Rain, @utu, @reiner Tor, @Alec Leamas

  13. @wren
    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven't looked into any of this yet though.

    Replies: @wren, @Paul Rain, @utu, @reiner Tor, @Alec Leamas

    The wisdom of crones, eh?

    • Replies: @wren
    @Paul Rain

    Yup. There is wisdom there, much earned the hard way, probably.

    I think we have some commenters here who might have a thing or two to say about it.

  14. racial profiling: a pretty successful way to police communities

    when she lived in France my sister was burgled. She and her roommate were home when it happened and they kind of saw them heading back out the bedroom window.

    when the police arrived they told them they saw two teenagers with a popular kind of haircut. My sister, a good American liberal, was shocked by how blunt they were.

    “Were they French?”
    “What? I…not sure what you mean…”
    “Were they French?”
    “No.”

    And off the police went. Sure enough, they call my sister and her friend in because they caught the guys.

    “Can you identify them?”

    “Uhhh…no…we didn’t really see their faces well…”

    “Is this your camera and purse?”

    “Yes?”

    “So you can identify them.”

    “Uhh…ok?”

    “Good”

    Rounding up the usual suspects works. Who really cares if 20 other immigrants got stopped and frisked and didn’t have the stolen goods? I’ve been stopped for driving away from a bar at 3 am even though I did nothing wrong. Because people driving away from bars at 3 am are often committing a crime. I wasn’t so all I suffered was some wasted time.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anonymouslee

    The French police can be effective if they're let alone to operate without PC nonsense.

    Replies: @anonymouslee

  15. @wren
    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven't looked into any of this yet though.

    Replies: @wren, @Paul Rain, @utu, @reiner Tor, @Alec Leamas

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I always suspected that Michelle was behind Obama’s toughness and resolve with respect to Israel.

  16. @Neoconned
    @whorefinder

    WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

    France didn't even have a black minority til what? The 1960s? This is lunacy.....

    Replies: @utu

    France still does not have a black minority. At least on paper. No data referring to race or ethnicity can be logged by any governmental agency. You are either French (if you are French citizen) or not.
    Is this what French do Sailer’s citizenism?

    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    @utu

    This is indeed French Sailerism do.

  17. This is a blot on that image and highlights the pressing need in France for an open debate on racism.

    And if France hadn’t been opened up to all comers, there would be no need for an open debate on racism.

  18. @wren
    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven't looked into any of this yet though.

    Replies: @wren, @Paul Rain, @utu, @reiner Tor, @Alec Leamas

    She, unlike Macron himself, does have children and grandchildren. She might have an incentive to worry about the future of France.

    • Replies: @wren
    @reiner Tor

    She was, apparently, a French literature and Latin teacher at his Jesuit school, and tutored him in drama.

    I'm not sure what Voltaire would say about carbeques in les banlieues, but I suspect it might not be positive.

    I don't know how that could not affect her either.

  19. Speaking of NYC and BLM, in case you needed any more reasons to detest Bernie Sanders, voilà:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/27/politics/sanders-swears-in-de-blasio/index.html

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AndrewR

    It's just the two remaining white guys on the left trying to give each other mutual support before they get harvested by the Stalinist wing of their party.

  20. @AndrewR
    OT: this is the top article on CNN.com

    All because KMac is critical of Jewish Supremacy. That is NOT OK.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/27/media/paul-nehlen-steve-bannon-breitbart/index.html

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Maj. Kong

    This furthers the Bannon Crypto-Nazi meme that caught on like wildfire among the left. The left will enjoy the inevitable fratricide when someone like Cernovich/Posobiec accuses Nehlen of being a plant.

    And to think it started because John Podhoretz can’t manage his ego, and deal with the fact that his skills are beneath those of his parents.

    Bannon needs to either reorient his priorities, or leave. Mercerbucks be damned. China is the “far enemy”, if that. The neocons are scheming for a runious war with Iran, and Congress is scheming to give the illegals amnesty.

    • Replies: @KenH
    @Maj. Kong

    According to some sources Bannon has pulled his endorsement of Paul Nehlen over his retweeting of cartoon that says "It's ok to be white". Bannon was never alt-right or even close, but he's now virtue signaling big time to put space between himself and alt-right/white nationalism.

    Bannon is a big supporter of Jewish tribalism and thinks blacks are prime candidates for civic nationalism, but whites who don't hate themselves are beyond the pale for him.

  21. If the French aren’t good enough for blacks then the simple solution is for blacks to leave

    • Replies: @wren
    @TheBoom

    OT: Is your The Boom the Miyazawa The Boom?

    I have several of those guys' CD's.

  22. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile here in America "Should White Supremacists Be Allowed to Practice Law"

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-supremacist-nazi-lawyers_us_5a3d8da8e4b0b0e5a7a2232d?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_source=politics_fb&utm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&section=politics


    Really, now that you mention it, should any non true believers in SJWism be allowed to?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Respecting the rights of communists has proven to be a bad idea, since now that they’re in power they clearly have no desire to extend to their political rivals the freedoms that communists were afforded in the 20th century.

    • Agree: Bill
  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    *THIS* is why Poland, Hungary etc must stand rock solid against EU attempts to force a mass black/brown population upon their native lands.

    Apparently, third world immigrants only come to European nations to ‘seek a better life’ etc. Inevitably, the so called ‘supplicants’ or whatever they call themselves, start DEMANDING privileges over the natives and special treatment for themselves.

    In all justice and equity to import such a situation – or rather to have one imposed upon you by foreign, unelected dictators – is utterly intolerable.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Anonymous

    First they beg for admission. Next they ask to be assimilated. Then they insist on recognition. From there it's on to demanding representation. And finally they command obedience.

  24. @AndrewR
    OT: this is the top article on CNN.com

    All because KMac is critical of Jewish Supremacy. That is NOT OK.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/27/media/paul-nehlen-steve-bannon-breitbart/index.html

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Maj. Kong

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Mr. Nehlen best not have any skeletons in the closet. Every dilletante Mossad operative will be pulling out the stops.

    I’d advise precautions for donors on record. If Nehlen is still viable in a few months, the antifa rent-a-mob will be wound up and set loose.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Maj. Kong


    If Nehlen is still viable in a few months
     
    lmao

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Matra
    @Maj. Kong

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don't know why he did so. Perhaps he's got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Maj. Kong

  25. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    What’s a higher job than President of France?

    Ministre du Fromage

    • LOL: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I know a qualified candidate for the job:

    https://youtu.be/yEycqiQXY-4

  26. @Paul Rain
    @wren

    The wisdom of crones, eh?

    Replies: @wren

    Yup. There is wisdom there, much earned the hard way, probably.

    I think we have some commenters here who might have a thing or two to say about it.

  27. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    A BLM movement doesn’t make any sense in this country either .

  28. @reiner Tor
    @wren

    She, unlike Macron himself, does have children and grandchildren. She might have an incentive to worry about the future of France.

    Replies: @wren

    She was, apparently, a French literature and Latin teacher at his Jesuit school, and tutored him in drama.

    I’m not sure what Voltaire would say about carbeques in les banlieues, but I suspect it might not be positive.

    I don’t know how that could not affect her either.

  29. The article in the Guardian about her has all the top comments against her: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/27/france-anti-racism-dismissed-feminist-rokhaya-diallo

    Bringing up the racist card doesn’t seem to work anymore.

    I’m somewhat confused that your whole premise is that it’s the far right wing who close down discussion and views they find offensive, when in fact it’s almost wholly the far left who have done this – at least here in the UK, especially around universities. And anyone who thinks the veil is a sign of feminism is deranged.

    France has been far too reasnable for far too long and the French are sick of it so now there is a feeling that the time has come to face down many of these trouble makers who do little other than cause disruption and delays. It it what has stagnated Frence for decades.

    I am french, and I followed this issue from France with interest. This post to communicate to the journalist that your title is totally misleading : Maboula was not ditched for her anti-racism, but for her activism. That is : nobody doubts that there is work to do, and that some behaviour need to disapear in France in 2017. But Maboula has ways to express herself that make most people being irritated by her. To put it simply, she is always outraged. So, she was named to participate to a commissionin order to find solutions on the vast digital issues. and nothing could be idscussed because evrything was racist. Recently, she criticised a set a measures aimed at protecting women fro being racist, because those measure were not respecting the coran…
    To me, sho looks like somebody setting up conflicts for her personal agenda more than with the will to really finding solutions (which is normally more silent).

  30. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a “Black Lives Matter” movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it’s rise, logic be danged.

    I don’t think that you need an international conspiracy to explain this. A lot of it (certainly in Canada) is:

    the Americans have a BLM, well we will have a BLM movement too !!!.

    Applies to a lot of our political trends.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AKAHorace

    I've gone and forgotten the name, I believe it's something like Canada 2020 or the Metropolitan Project, but Canadian leftists absolutely have a centralized programmatic directing organization that comes up with all that stuff. It was actually in the news about a year ago in a heavily censored article that still spelled everything out. Also Canada is generally ahead of us in embracing the book of Revelations. They literally hold meetings in which they say "we're not seeing enough intermarriage" or "the next thing is to talk up safety."

    Replies: @AKAHorace

  31. @TheBoom
    If the French aren't good enough for blacks then the simple solution is for blacks to leave

    Replies: @wren

    OT: Is your The Boom the Miyazawa The Boom?

    I have several of those guys’ CD’s.

  32. I wonder how much influence the NYT has in France. Maybe this hectoring has the opposite effect. It is good that this lady is criticizing from the USA but it would be even better if it could come from Liberia.

  33. @utu
    @Neoconned

    France still does not have a black minority. At least on paper. No data referring to race or ethnicity can be logged by any governmental agency. You are either French (if you are French citizen) or not.
    Is this what French do Sailer's citizenism?

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim

    This is indeed French Sailerism do.

  34. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    Well, Babe Ruth served as the Sultan of Swat…

  35. Macron doesn’t believe there is such as thing as the French nation. He has said so. He is playing to the gallery and lying at the same time.

    He is a snake. Do not be fooled

    • Replies: @BB753
    @22pp22

    He's just doing this to protect the tourist industry. Riots, black and Muslim mayhem and criminality are bad for business.

    Replies: @neutral, @nebulafox

  36. @anonymouslee
    racial profiling: a pretty successful way to police communities

    when she lived in France my sister was burgled. She and her roommate were home when it happened and they kind of saw them heading back out the bedroom window.

    when the police arrived they told them they saw two teenagers with a popular kind of haircut. My sister, a good American liberal, was shocked by how blunt they were.

    "Were they French?"
    "What? I...not sure what you mean..."
    "Were they French?"
    "No."

    And off the police went. Sure enough, they call my sister and her friend in because they caught the guys.

    "Can you identify them?"

    "Uhhh...no...we didn't really see their faces well..."

    "Is this your camera and purse?"

    "Yes?"

    "So you can identify them."

    "Uhh...ok?"

    "Good"


    Rounding up the usual suspects works. Who really cares if 20 other immigrants got stopped and frisked and didn't have the stolen goods? I've been stopped for driving away from a bar at 3 am even though I did nothing wrong. Because people driving away from bars at 3 am are often committing a crime. I wasn't so all I suffered was some wasted time.

    Replies: @Anon

    The French police can be effective if they’re let alone to operate without PC nonsense.

    • Replies: @anonymouslee
    @Anon

    it would be comical to tell an American cop you were burgled by people you've never seen before and probably wouldn't recognize again. there's nothing they could or would do. I suppose some places in France are still used to basically zero crime and would prefer to keep it that way.

    when my sister was robbed in South Africa the cop basically told her, "is that all?" and when she pointed out some potential evidence he literally said, "Look, this isn't CSI: Cape Town."

  37. I think Macron represents a segment of the globalist devil-worshipping Establishment that somehow has some minimal connection to reality and has accepted that not all of their brilliant plans are working. Meanwhile back here they’re still looking for evidence that Trump is KGB.
    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of “Islamic terrorism.” Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that’s still thoughtcrime here.
    I don’t have the link but recently Macron was at a press conference with African leaders and he was near “red pill” levels of brutal honesty.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @J.Ross

    Go visit Marseille, then you'll understand why. When the rest of the West gets to the same stage, our elites will call it quits too.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    , @Altai
    @J.Ross

    This Tweet sums things up nicely.

    https://twitter.com/VSPrickskin/status/931114218341797889

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Fredrik
    @J.Ross

    I think you're overthinking it.

    It's quite possible Macron actually is closer to 'us' than to the other side. He can talk the talk but...

    The major problem 'we' have is that the others will push back relentlessly if 'we' even suggest something. It can't be stated enough how much of a hurdle this is. Many people will refrain from exposing themselves to the hate left. This goes high up in society.

    , @Matra
    @J.Ross

    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of “Islamic terrorism.” Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that’s still thoughtcrime here.

    Even under the hapless Francois Hollande the French, unlike in the US, UK, & Germany, usually referred specifically to "Islamic terrorism". This is nothing new. Given that Angela Merkel spoke out against multiculturalism five or six years ago and Tony Blair condemned political correctness during his first term (1997-2001) just before unleashing more of it than Britain had ever seen, I think we should hold off on getting too enthusiastic about the mere words used by Western leaders.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  38. @AndrewR
    Speaking of NYC and BLM, in case you needed any more reasons to detest Bernie Sanders, voilà:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/27/politics/sanders-swears-in-de-blasio/index.html

    Replies: @Anon

    It’s just the two remaining white guys on the left trying to give each other mutual support before they get harvested by the Stalinist wing of their party.

  39. @22pp22
    Macron doesn't believe there is such as thing as the French nation. He has said so. He is playing to the gallery and lying at the same time.

    He is a snake. Do not be fooled

    Replies: @BB753

    He’s just doing this to protect the tourist industry. Riots, black and Muslim mayhem and criminality are bad for business.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @BB753

    I wonder if the French tourist industry can be salvaged at all, places like China might be sheltered somewhat from what happens in the world, but the demographic realities of Paris cannot be covered up anymore. All that countries such as Hungary have to do is to show the streets of Paris compared to the streets of Budapest, I cannot imagine many Chinese tourists picking Paris. I don't even think that the purist of ideological SJW that lives in New York truly wants to go to Paris if it consists of people that tend to make up Americas most dangerous cities.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @nebulafox
    @BB753

    Maybe, but I think his main agenda is marginalizing the FN as much as possible. Macron knows that full-on globalism of the sort that the New York Times invariably endorses will ensure Le Pen ends up as President next time. Le Pen is quite young, still "de-toxifying" her party from the days of her father and his Algerian putschist coterie, and still getting polished as a politician-she'll be back. He's already running a risky route, since his economic/fiscal reforms (some of which are necessary) are bound to already guarantee a backlash from the French public sector. Campaign comments aside, actually following that up with Swedish-style multicultural fanaticism might just spark the fire.

    (Ironically enough, Trump's victory might have helped prevent Le Pen from taking office, due to Trump's less than positive image in Europe for reasons ranging from his open McConnell crony-capitalist fetishism in socioeconomic policy to the fact that Trump on the campaign trail sounded *really* simple-minded when literally translated into a different language.)

    The Gray Lady/Washington Post types are reading long-term political dynamics in France quite wrong. The FN is a young party, strongest among Frenchmen 18-30, and the reds aren't far behind. The Marine-era FN also is a mass party in a way the Jean-Marie one never was. Previously, demographics like homosexuals and Jews (or at least the ones that aren't fleeing to Israel) would have justifiably considered the FN anathema. Not so much anymore, with the specter of Islamism and open immigration hanging around, and Le Pen being the only person in France demanding that Paris talk about this, now.

    Le Pen's previous comments on the Holocaust, up until maybe the late 1990s or early 2000s or so, were the standard Gaullist shtick about Vichy not being "the real France". For most of post-WWII history, that was the official line coming out of Paris. Debatable history, to be sure, but hardly as unprecedented much of the media tried to portray it. To think that Le Pen's career is dead because of that is wishful thinking of the highest order.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27446261

    There are even quite a few assimilated Muslims who support the FN these days. Many of those who emigrated in the 1950s and 1960s from Algeria (back when Paris had a very strong assimilationist line with immigrants) pretty much solely identify as French, and have little use for newer generations of migrants who mooch off welfare and openly despise the culture who has taken them in. Many of them also are shopkeepers who actually have to, you know, deal with the practical consequences of the increased crime rate, very much unlike the affluent, white bien-pensants who claim to represent them.

    Replies: @El Dato

  40. @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Mr. Nehlen best not have any skeletons in the closet. Every dilletante Mossad operative will be pulling out the stops.

    I'd advise precautions for donors on record. If Nehlen is still viable in a few months, the antifa rent-a-mob will be wound up and set loose.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Matra

    If Nehlen is still viable in a few months

    lmao

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @IHTG

    Just curious, do black lives matter in Israel?

  41. @Anonymous
    *THIS* is why Poland, Hungary etc must stand rock solid against EU attempts to force a mass black/brown population upon their native lands.

    Apparently, third world immigrants only come to European nations to 'seek a better life' etc. Inevitably, the so called 'supplicants' or whatever they call themselves, start DEMANDING privileges over the natives and special treatment for themselves.

    In all justice and equity to import such a situation - or rather to have one imposed upon you by foreign, unelected dictators - is utterly intolerable.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    First they beg for admission. Next they ask to be assimilated. Then they insist on recognition. From there it’s on to demanding representation. And finally they command obedience.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?

    Plus you get great dinners at the Elysée Palace, if you like snails and frogs. Better than what The Donald likes, overcooked steaks with kethup.
    “It would rock on the plate, it was so well done,” Anthony Senecal, Trump’s long-time butler, told The New York Times.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Clyde

    French cooking, mmmm. I can still recall a long summer vacation along the west coast. Always three-course lunches at no-name restaurants. Always fresh fantastic oysters for starters. Endless beaches. It was a while ago, I wonder if it's still so.

    I've heard Obama subsists mainly on kale enemas, any Truth to that?

    Replies: @Clyde

  43. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    It’s not just Soros, and it’s not just professed Leftist billionaires and multi-millionaires who fund such revolution. Mohammedan filthy rich also fund revolution against ‘the West,’ as do filthy rich Neocons.

  44. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    “someone was behind that organization—likely the Soviets.”

    That meme was as false then as it is now. It’s more likely that some schemers with billions were behind the Vietnam war than it is that the war was just and that some evil schemers were behind the movement to end it.

    How is it that you find credible the idea that Soros is behind BLM, but you can’t feature that an antiwar movement in ’68 could have been a popular uprising? Were you around for the antiwar movement of the late ’60s to the early ’70s? If you were, how is it that you haven’t advanced beyond the idea that the USSR was behind American opposition to a criminal war?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twodees Partain


    how is it that you haven’t advanced beyond the idea that the USSR was behind American opposition to a criminal war?
     
    American opposition to that war is easily explained. There was conscription. Middle-class college kiddies were scared that they might actually get drafted and have to fight. Some, like Bill Clinton, were so scared they fled to Canada.

    They didn't care about the Vietnamese. They wanted to save their own skins. It was the same in Australia.

    The antiwar movement was entirely composed of cowardly middle-class college kiddies. It was a dumb war but don't kid yourself that the antiwar protestors were idealists.

    War is usually most popular among those who don't actually have to do the fighting.
  45. @Anonymous
    Probably Pope. But then you can't even have an older wife.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Probably Pope. But then you can’t even have an older wife.

    There ain’t but so many Pope jobs open – ever check The Daily Worker<b<* for that kind of employment? Slim pickin’s, I tell ya’. Or you can hang around the bars near the Vatican waiting for white smoke, I suppose.

    * I assume that’s the kind of publication they’d use for employment ads, just judging by the current so-called “Pope”.

  46. @BB753
    @22pp22

    He's just doing this to protect the tourist industry. Riots, black and Muslim mayhem and criminality are bad for business.

    Replies: @neutral, @nebulafox

    I wonder if the French tourist industry can be salvaged at all, places like China might be sheltered somewhat from what happens in the world, but the demographic realities of Paris cannot be covered up anymore. All that countries such as Hungary have to do is to show the streets of Paris compared to the streets of Budapest, I cannot imagine many Chinese tourists picking Paris. I don’t even think that the purist of ideological SJW that lives in New York truly wants to go to Paris if it consists of people that tend to make up Americas most dangerous cities.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @neutral

    Paris is still safer than any large American city, including NY. Not for long, though.

  47. @wren
    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven't looked into any of this yet though.

    Replies: @wren, @Paul Rain, @utu, @reiner Tor, @Alec Leamas

    I think Mme Macron is behind this, like I think she is behind him and his ascent.

    And I think she has been around the block and has a good idea about what is good for France, too.

    I haven’t looked into any of this yet though.

    What I find really weird about Macron is that he was first acquainted with Brigette’s daughter, Tiphaine, who is his contemporary and looks like a reasonable facsimile of Brigette minus 30 years. Maybe it was just the Hot for Teacher aspect?

  48. @AKAHorace
    @whorefinder

    '

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a “Black Lives Matter” movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it’s rise, logic be danged.


    I don't think that you need an international conspiracy to explain this. A lot of it (certainly in Canada) is:

    the Americans have a BLM, well we will have a BLM movement too !!!.

    Applies to a lot of our political trends.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I’ve gone and forgotten the name, I believe it’s something like Canada 2020 or the Metropolitan Project, but Canadian leftists absolutely have a centralized programmatic directing organization that comes up with all that stuff. It was actually in the news about a year ago in a heavily censored article that still spelled everything out. Also Canada is generally ahead of us in embracing the book of Revelations. They literally hold meetings in which they say “we’re not seeing enough intermarriage” or “the next thing is to talk up safety.”

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @J.Ross

    My impression though is that Canadian progressives are obsessed and insecure about what the rest of the world thinks of us in a way that American progressives are not. What you describe is the Canadian strategy of figuring out where the band wagon is heading, then rushing ahead of it so we can say that we are leading it.

    One strongly worded editorial from the New York Times and Canada 2020 would do a serious reevaluation of their priorities. Amusing for you, depressing for me.

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?

    Swedish international bikini team inspector?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Abe


    Swedish international bikini team inspector?
     
    Is the position open, now that Harvey's away?
  50. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Ministre du Fromage

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    I know a qualified candidate for the job:

  51. @Anon
    @anonymouslee

    The French police can be effective if they're let alone to operate without PC nonsense.

    Replies: @anonymouslee

    it would be comical to tell an American cop you were burgled by people you’ve never seen before and probably wouldn’t recognize again. there’s nothing they could or would do. I suppose some places in France are still used to basically zero crime and would prefer to keep it that way.

    when my sister was robbed in South Africa the cop basically told her, “is that all?” and when she pointed out some potential evidence he literally said, “Look, this isn’t CSI: Cape Town.”

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Macron is like a French Bill Clinton, who did far more to advance a “conservative” agenda in the USA than any Republican ever dreamed of before or after – ended welfare as we knew it, cracked down on crime, and not only balanced the budget, but ran such a surplus that people were worried that there soon wouldn’t be enough government bonds around to support financial markets and such.

    So why does the right hate Bill Clinton so much? Maybe the Republicans really are the stupid party.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @peterike
    @Anonymous

    So why does the right hate Bill Clinton so much? Maybe the Republicans really are the stupid party.

    Gutting U.S. industry and sending it to China, for one. For the Muh Defense types, turning a blind eye to Chinese military espionage and freeing up shipments to key U.S. technology to the Chinese that let China close a decades-wide technology gap in a few years. Who was that guy from some satellite company or whatever? Been too many years, can't remember his name. But he gave Bill a few sheckles and Bill opened the door for him.

    , @europeasant
    @Anonymous

    Maybe itz the following quotes from Mr Clinton!

    “A half century from now, when your own grandchildren are in college, there will be no majority race in America.”

    “This will arguably be the third great revolution in America . . . to prove that we literally can live without in effect having a dominant European culture. We want to become a multiracial, multiethnic society. We’re not going to disintegrate in the face of it.”

    So your Mr Clinton "appears to welcome the end of our “dominant European culture” is ominous, since it means that the chief executive no longer considers that cultural identity to be worth conserving or even that it can be conserved, and it is in this that the real purpose of Mr. Clinton’s race initiative is to be found. Its real purpose, in short, is simply to accommodate white Americans to the racial transformation of their country and the imminent destruction of their culture"

    So so yes he did some good but White people became very angry with him and his race pandering. We found out he was a traitor to White people . That's a game changer. Now go and re-read "The Bell Curve" to bring you up to speed.

  53. Perhaps, Macron learned from Hillary’s mistakes: Don’t encourage these fringe groups who openly hate native Europeans.

  54. And here I thought that France removed reference to race as a Republican ideal and that a lack of official census records has allowed a massive influx from West Africa to go largely unexamined in the media.

  55. @J.Ross
    I think Macron represents a segment of the globalist devil-worshipping Establishment that somehow has some minimal connection to reality and has accepted that not all of their brilliant plans are working. Meanwhile back here they're still looking for evidence that Trump is KGB.
    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of "Islamic terrorism." Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that's still thoughtcrime here.
    I don't have the link but recently Macron was at a press conference with African leaders and he was near "red pill" levels of brutal honesty.

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai, @Fredrik, @Matra

    Go visit Marseille, then you’ll understand why. When the rest of the West gets to the same stage, our elites will call it quits too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Altai

    Exactly how many eurocrat elites so much as look at Marseilles in a photograph? How many deaths in one year did it take for the French government to admit that terrorism existed? And does anyone doubt that Marseilles will still be Marseilles after Macron does whatever token gesture he's planning? As long as Muslims are allowed to retain sovereign strongholds beyond the reach of police, the French cannot be said to be serious about security.
    Macron's not talking like this because of a city that was infamous for crime before the North Africans took over, he's talking like this because even the Martin Schulz set recognizes that Hollande was a catastrophe.

    , @Anonymous
    @Altai

    Oh no they won't! (it's 'panto' time in UK).

    They won't be content until the very last white man is dead, then they'll dig up his bones, put them on trial, and bury him all over again.

    You see the only thing the political class cares about is being thought of as 'clever' by The Economist.
    Everything else is a distraction to them.

  56. Rakhaya Diallo was ousted on December 11. from the government advisory council (on digital technology).
    On December 19. 27 out of the 30 members, including its head, displayed their pristine anti-racism credentials by resigning en masse.

  57. Looks like France is still suffering from the legacies of Jim Crow and slavery.

  58. These media types must be secretly hell bent on putting Le Pen in office someday.

  59. Mr. Macron has tried to project the image of a forward-looking, inclusive leader.

    Inclusive of what? Invasion? Let’s praise the Vichy regime of having been INCLU to Germans.

    Clueless is more like it.

  60. The only way we can fix the societal evil of racism is the complete destruction of whiteness

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @Tiny Duck

    "The only way we can fix the societal evil of racism is the complete destruction of whiteness"

    You make Roy G Biv sad.

    , @Simply Simon
    @Tiny Duck

    It seems to me that whites are doing a good job of erasing themselves by the very low birth rate.

  61. I’m quite impressed with the dramatic change in direction pretty much everywhere in the West on the immigration issue.

    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.

    But taboos come and go. They can’t survive open challenge.

    We have three more years of Trump, at the very least. I think we’ll end with a very different culture surrounding immigration from the one we started with.

    • Replies: @guest
    @candid_observer

    They didn't expose it; they have people the chance to vote against it.

    First of all, there was always a large segment of all populations against it. They barely showed up in public debates because, you know. There was also always large unspoken and maybe unconscious sentiment against it, because that's how people are.

    Most importantly, Merkel's Boner exposed it. That may have been the stupidest thing the International Satanic Pedophile Vampire Conspiracy ever did. They boiled the frog too quickly, and the mask slipped.

    , @David
    @candid_observer

    I agree the discussion of immigration is really beginning to loosen up. I'm quite impressed by this op-ed from today's NYT, "What happened to Germany":


    Social democracy's second contradiction is that you can't promote a borderless world and the welfare state at the same time...

    Millions of angry left-wing voters... saw a state that had plenty of money for others but not for them

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/opinion/germany-social-democrats-coalition.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous

    , @AnotherDad
    @candid_observer


    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.
     
    This.

    There is literally no reasonable or logical argument for immigration. It makes pretty much everything people value--prosperity, social cohesion, pleasant low-crime communities, equality, education, environmental protection, welfare--worse. Logically/mathematically it makes absolutely zero sense--it is either growth until your quality of life declines to the point no one wants to come or outright population replacement.

    It only made sense when it was essentially invasion and settlement (by Europeans) of someone elses (defeated natives) territory. Why do you want to let other people do that to us?

    Intellectually the immigration ideology is the classic empty suit. There is nothing there. It is completely based on hatred of white gentiles and coherent nations, virtue signalling, cheap labor swilling and power politics.
  62. @Altai
    @J.Ross

    Go visit Marseille, then you'll understand why. When the rest of the West gets to the same stage, our elites will call it quits too.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Exactly how many eurocrat elites so much as look at Marseilles in a photograph? How many deaths in one year did it take for the French government to admit that terrorism existed? And does anyone doubt that Marseilles will still be Marseilles after Macron does whatever token gesture he’s planning? As long as Muslims are allowed to retain sovereign strongholds beyond the reach of police, the French cannot be said to be serious about security.
    Macron’s not talking like this because of a city that was infamous for crime before the North Africans took over, he’s talking like this because even the Martin Schulz set recognizes that Hollande was a catastrophe.

  63. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is Macron doing this for nationalism or to serve Jewish Power?

    After all, Too Many Muslims means headache for Jews in France.

    If so, it seems Jews are trying to have the cake and eat it too.

    They use Macron to crack down on invaders hostile to Jews… but make big noise about how they’re appalled by his abuses of human rights of Peuple de Couleur.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
    @Anon

    The countries which resist Muslim immigration,
    are largely connected to Zionists. Poland, Hungary, Czechia.

    Thats part of political Zionism. Get some allies for Israel in exchange for "support".
    Remember by way of deception wage war.

    In Poland they are now demanding tens of millions of dollars for you guessed it Jews and Holocaust.
    The new pick in Poland for one of the ministers is connected apparently to Mossad.

    Europe has a choice between two foreign groups, Muslims/Globalist Jews or Zionist Jews.
    The Catholic Church is split and weakened and sending groups to work with both of the above.

  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @J.Ross

    Go visit Marseille, then you'll understand why. When the rest of the West gets to the same stage, our elites will call it quits too.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Oh no they won’t! (it’s ‘panto’ time in UK).

    They won’t be content until the very last white man is dead, then they’ll dig up his bones, put them on trial, and bury him all over again.

    You see the only thing the political class cares about is being thought of as ‘clever’ by The Economist.
    Everything else is a distraction to them.

  65. @J.Ross
    I think Macron represents a segment of the globalist devil-worshipping Establishment that somehow has some minimal connection to reality and has accepted that not all of their brilliant plans are working. Meanwhile back here they're still looking for evidence that Trump is KGB.
    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of "Islamic terrorism." Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that's still thoughtcrime here.
    I don't have the link but recently Macron was at a press conference with African leaders and he was near "red pill" levels of brutal honesty.

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai, @Fredrik, @Matra

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Altai

    The wrong side of history wants to switch sides.

  66. @candid_observer
    I'm quite impressed with the dramatic change in direction pretty much everywhere in the West on the immigration issue.

    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.

    But taboos come and go. They can't survive open challenge.

    We have three more years of Trump, at the very least. I think we'll end with a very different culture surrounding immigration from the one we started with.

    Replies: @guest, @David, @AnotherDad

    They didn’t expose it; they have people the chance to vote against it.

    First of all, there was always a large segment of all populations against it. They barely showed up in public debates because, you know. There was also always large unspoken and maybe unconscious sentiment against it, because that’s how people are.

    Most importantly, Merkel’s Boner exposed it. That may have been the stupidest thing the International Satanic Pedophile Vampire Conspiracy ever did. They boiled the frog too quickly, and the mask slipped.

    • Agree: NickG
  67. Despite having a strong leaning towards the left at times, the arrogant French (not really a put down) don’t seem to hate themselves, or their cultural legacy, in the same way the rest of the West does. BLM can only thrive when a significant portion of the majority population truly hates itself (culturally.)

  68. @J.Ross
    I think Macron represents a segment of the globalist devil-worshipping Establishment that somehow has some minimal connection to reality and has accepted that not all of their brilliant plans are working. Meanwhile back here they're still looking for evidence that Trump is KGB.
    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of "Islamic terrorism." Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that's still thoughtcrime here.
    I don't have the link but recently Macron was at a press conference with African leaders and he was near "red pill" levels of brutal honesty.

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai, @Fredrik, @Matra

    I think you’re overthinking it.

    It’s quite possible Macron actually is closer to ‘us’ than to the other side. He can talk the talk but…

    The major problem ‘we’ have is that the others will push back relentlessly if ‘we’ even suggest something. It can’t be stated enough how much of a hurdle this is. Many people will refrain from exposing themselves to the hate left. This goes high up in society.

  69. @candid_observer
    I'm quite impressed with the dramatic change in direction pretty much everywhere in the West on the immigration issue.

    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.

    But taboos come and go. They can't survive open challenge.

    We have three more years of Trump, at the very least. I think we'll end with a very different culture surrounding immigration from the one we started with.

    Replies: @guest, @David, @AnotherDad

    I agree the discussion of immigration is really beginning to loosen up. I’m quite impressed by this op-ed from today’s NYT, “What happened to Germany”:

    Social democracy’s second contradiction is that you can’t promote a borderless world and the welfare state at the same time…

    Millions of angry left-wing voters… saw a state that had plenty of money for others but not for them

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/opinion/germany-social-democrats-coalition.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @David

    The New York Times has finally let up on its decade long ban on admitting the obvious economic contradiction between having a strong welfare state and mass, open emigration. Krugman was confessing this kind of thing back in 2006 or so, but let that go during the Obama years.

    , @Anonymous
    @David

    Well, the mosquito-brains of the so-called 'Green' (Marxist) Party continue preaching that exact same line.

  70. @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    This furthers the Bannon Crypto-Nazi meme that caught on like wildfire among the left. The left will enjoy the inevitable fratricide when someone like Cernovich/Posobiec accuses Nehlen of being a plant.

    And to think it started because John Podhoretz can't manage his ego, and deal with the fact that his skills are beneath those of his parents.

    Bannon needs to either reorient his priorities, or leave. Mercerbucks be damned. China is the "far enemy", if that. The neocons are scheming for a runious war with Iran, and Congress is scheming to give the illegals amnesty.

    Replies: @KenH

    According to some sources Bannon has pulled his endorsement of Paul Nehlen over his retweeting of cartoon that says “It’s ok to be white”. Bannon was never alt-right or even close, but he’s now virtue signaling big time to put space between himself and alt-right/white nationalism.

    Bannon is a big supporter of Jewish tribalism and thinks blacks are prime candidates for civic nationalism, but whites who don’t hate themselves are beyond the pale for him.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  71. @BB753
    @22pp22

    He's just doing this to protect the tourist industry. Riots, black and Muslim mayhem and criminality are bad for business.

    Replies: @neutral, @nebulafox

    Maybe, but I think his main agenda is marginalizing the FN as much as possible. Macron knows that full-on globalism of the sort that the New York Times invariably endorses will ensure Le Pen ends up as President next time. Le Pen is quite young, still “de-toxifying” her party from the days of her father and his Algerian putschist coterie, and still getting polished as a politician-she’ll be back. He’s already running a risky route, since his economic/fiscal reforms (some of which are necessary) are bound to already guarantee a backlash from the French public sector. Campaign comments aside, actually following that up with Swedish-style multicultural fanaticism might just spark the fire.

    (Ironically enough, Trump’s victory might have helped prevent Le Pen from taking office, due to Trump’s less than positive image in Europe for reasons ranging from his open McConnell crony-capitalist fetishism in socioeconomic policy to the fact that Trump on the campaign trail sounded *really* simple-minded when literally translated into a different language.)

    The Gray Lady/Washington Post types are reading long-term political dynamics in France quite wrong. The FN is a young party, strongest among Frenchmen 18-30, and the reds aren’t far behind. The Marine-era FN also is a mass party in a way the Jean-Marie one never was. Previously, demographics like homosexuals and Jews (or at least the ones that aren’t fleeing to Israel) would have justifiably considered the FN anathema. Not so much anymore, with the specter of Islamism and open immigration hanging around, and Le Pen being the only person in France demanding that Paris talk about this, now.

    Le Pen’s previous comments on the Holocaust, up until maybe the late 1990s or early 2000s or so, were the standard Gaullist shtick about Vichy not being “the real France”. For most of post-WWII history, that was the official line coming out of Paris. Debatable history, to be sure, but hardly as unprecedented much of the media tried to portray it. To think that Le Pen’s career is dead because of that is wishful thinking of the highest order.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27446261

    There are even quite a few assimilated Muslims who support the FN these days. Many of those who emigrated in the 1950s and 1960s from Algeria (back when Paris had a very strong assimilationist line with immigrants) pretty much solely identify as French, and have little use for newer generations of migrants who mooch off welfare and openly despise the culture who has taken them in. Many of them also are shopkeepers who actually have to, you know, deal with the practical consequences of the increased crime rate, very much unlike the affluent, white bien-pensants who claim to represent them.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @nebulafox

    This is quite correct.

    I don't think that France needs an "open debate" (in the NYT meaning) or even has been waiting for one. It has been ongoing since the Algerian war.

    Victor le Nettoyeur hopefully soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwTjVWphn3c

  72. @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Mr. Nehlen best not have any skeletons in the closet. Every dilletante Mossad operative will be pulling out the stops.

    I'd advise precautions for donors on record. If Nehlen is still viable in a few months, the antifa rent-a-mob will be wound up and set loose.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Matra

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don’t know why he did so. Perhaps he’s got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Matra


    his just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don’t know why he did so. Perhaps he’s got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.
     
    , @Maj. Kong
    @Matra

    AIPAC has a large and wealthy donor base, that's why.

    There have been rumors that Ryan might retire. If so, Nehlen could win a split primary with a plurality. In that case, the Dem would probably win the general.

    Nehlen is also increasing the chances that more candidates like him enter politics, because he has shifted the Overton window.

  73. @J.Ross
    I think Macron represents a segment of the globalist devil-worshipping Establishment that somehow has some minimal connection to reality and has accepted that not all of their brilliant plans are working. Meanwhile back here they're still looking for evidence that Trump is KGB.
    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of "Islamic terrorism." Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that's still thoughtcrime here.
    I don't have the link but recently Macron was at a press conference with African leaders and he was near "red pill" levels of brutal honesty.

    Replies: @Altai, @Altai, @Fredrik, @Matra

    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of “Islamic terrorism.” Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that’s still thoughtcrime here.

    Even under the hapless Francois Hollande the French, unlike in the US, UK, & Germany, usually referred specifically to “Islamic terrorism”. This is nothing new. Given that Angela Merkel spoke out against multiculturalism five or six years ago and Tony Blair condemned political correctness during his first term (1997-2001) just before unleashing more of it than Britain had ever seen, I think we should hold off on getting too enthusiastic about the mere words used by Western leaders.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Matra

    In Australia, John Howard and certain of his ministers made tough-sounding statements against multiculturalism and Islamic fundamentalism. It all sounded so reassuring. The 'big people' understood, supposedly. But not a single one of them ever proposed taking the most elementary measure against it, which is to end immigration. And since ending immigration is the only measure that can be taken that's consistent with 'liberal values' as they're understood today, it means nothing is ever done. (I mean this in the sense that you could secretly end immigration tomorrow, and pretty much no one would ever figure out that it had been done. That's very different to all other anti-diversity policies, whose impact would be readily detectable by the populace.)

  74. Le Pen is quite young, still “de-toxifying” her party from the days of her father

    I wonder how much of the squabbling between those is theater to create perceived distance.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Svigor

    I don't think it is play-acting. The two are very different people, in spite of being father and daughter.

    Marine has always thought of seriously becoming President, by all indications, ever since she was a girl. Speculation, but this is a lady who grew up having her household bombed-that sort of thing creates scars that results in future ambitions. Anyway, to become President, you've got to think in terms of a mass coalition. Marine Le Pen, as I've stated before, is only 40-ish and is still a work in progress: once you take that into account, her political strategy looks quite well thought out.

    Her father, on the other hand, never really cared about anything other than being a jerk-off, and the skinheads and former Algerian paratroopers he surrounded himself with sufficed just fine for that. I think he was always aware of the hard electoral limits he had and gleefully embraced his provocateur role.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

  75. From the CNN link:

    In one tweet, Nehlen proudly revealed that he is reading “The Culture of Critique,” a book about Jewish culture widely considered to be anti-semitic. In other tweets, he has used the “#ItsOkayToBeWhite” hashtag.

    “Widely considered antisemitic” is cute. How does it translate? “Lots of people smear it as ANTISEMITIC!!! because criticizing Jews isn’t like criticizing mere white folks; criticizing mere white folks is great but criticizing Jews just isn’t done”?

    The inflammatory online activity has drawn fierce scrutiny from Nehlen’s critics

    Reading the piece so you guys don’t have to: yes, saying that he’s reading CoC and it’s okay to be white is the extent of Nehlen’s inflammatory activity. You have to see it through a Jewish lens: if Nehlen had stolen Palestinian land or bombed a Palestinian neighborhood or shot a Palestinian kid, that’d be one thing, but reading books and tolerating whiteness is a whole ‘nother level.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Svigor

    By calling Paul Nehlen an antisemite for saying he's indifferent to Jews and tweeting that he's reading Kevin MacDonald, the establishment, on both the left and right, is playing into antisemites' hands.

    I get why: they're not bothered by Nehlen per se but by some of the antisemites he's dredged up (according to Nehlen's recent Twitter poll, ~25% of his followers identify as antisemites), but it's a dumb and counterproductive tack, IMO.

  76. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    Remember the BLM movement of the UK.

    2016-09-06:

    Black Lives Matter protest stops flights at London City airport: Police arrest seven of nine people chained to tripod on runway in protest against impact of air pollution on black people

    You just need a few crazies following a fad, sponsoring is needed if you go really Big only.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @El Dato

    Fun story: John Dean's first task in the Nixon White House was reporting on black radical activities in the Netherlands before Nixon's European tour in early 1969. So, this kind of thing is nothing new.

    Granted, this was a year after LBJ was pretty much hemmed 24/7 into the White House by assassination threats and after 2 square miles of downtown Chicago and Washington were burnt down, but the Nixon crew was overly worried: the Europeans were determined to pull out all the security stops to make sure the trip went smoothly, given that NATO was going through a really rough period after 8 years of tempestuous relations with Kennedy and Johnson. Still, yet another example of Marx's dictum of history repeating itself as farce.

  77. @nebulafox
    @BB753

    Maybe, but I think his main agenda is marginalizing the FN as much as possible. Macron knows that full-on globalism of the sort that the New York Times invariably endorses will ensure Le Pen ends up as President next time. Le Pen is quite young, still "de-toxifying" her party from the days of her father and his Algerian putschist coterie, and still getting polished as a politician-she'll be back. He's already running a risky route, since his economic/fiscal reforms (some of which are necessary) are bound to already guarantee a backlash from the French public sector. Campaign comments aside, actually following that up with Swedish-style multicultural fanaticism might just spark the fire.

    (Ironically enough, Trump's victory might have helped prevent Le Pen from taking office, due to Trump's less than positive image in Europe for reasons ranging from his open McConnell crony-capitalist fetishism in socioeconomic policy to the fact that Trump on the campaign trail sounded *really* simple-minded when literally translated into a different language.)

    The Gray Lady/Washington Post types are reading long-term political dynamics in France quite wrong. The FN is a young party, strongest among Frenchmen 18-30, and the reds aren't far behind. The Marine-era FN also is a mass party in a way the Jean-Marie one never was. Previously, demographics like homosexuals and Jews (or at least the ones that aren't fleeing to Israel) would have justifiably considered the FN anathema. Not so much anymore, with the specter of Islamism and open immigration hanging around, and Le Pen being the only person in France demanding that Paris talk about this, now.

    Le Pen's previous comments on the Holocaust, up until maybe the late 1990s or early 2000s or so, were the standard Gaullist shtick about Vichy not being "the real France". For most of post-WWII history, that was the official line coming out of Paris. Debatable history, to be sure, but hardly as unprecedented much of the media tried to portray it. To think that Le Pen's career is dead because of that is wishful thinking of the highest order.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27446261

    There are even quite a few assimilated Muslims who support the FN these days. Many of those who emigrated in the 1950s and 1960s from Algeria (back when Paris had a very strong assimilationist line with immigrants) pretty much solely identify as French, and have little use for newer generations of migrants who mooch off welfare and openly despise the culture who has taken them in. Many of them also are shopkeepers who actually have to, you know, deal with the practical consequences of the increased crime rate, very much unlike the affluent, white bien-pensants who claim to represent them.

    Replies: @El Dato

    This is quite correct.

    I don’t think that France needs an “open debate” (in the NYT meaning) or even has been waiting for one. It has been ongoing since the Algerian war.

    Victor le Nettoyeur hopefully soon.

  78. @Svigor

    Le Pen is quite young, still “de-toxifying” her party from the days of her father
     
    I wonder how much of the squabbling between those is theater to create perceived distance.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I don’t think it is play-acting. The two are very different people, in spite of being father and daughter.

    Marine has always thought of seriously becoming President, by all indications, ever since she was a girl. Speculation, but this is a lady who grew up having her household bombed-that sort of thing creates scars that results in future ambitions. Anyway, to become President, you’ve got to think in terms of a mass coalition. Marine Le Pen, as I’ve stated before, is only 40-ish and is still a work in progress: once you take that into account, her political strategy looks quite well thought out.

    Her father, on the other hand, never really cared about anything other than being a jerk-off, and the skinheads and former Algerian paratroopers he surrounded himself with sufficed just fine for that. I think he was always aware of the hard electoral limits he had and gleefully embraced his provocateur role.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @nebulafox

    I agree the dispute between Marine and Jean-Marie Le Pen is not play acting and that Marine is trying to build some type of coalition to win the Presidency. She turns 50 next year, so she might arguably have three more presidential elections in which she is a viable candidate. I am an FN member and a great admirer of Marine Le Pen, so the following observations are not pleasant to make. The French electoral system marginalizes the FN--it can win over a third of the votes for president, but still has about ten seats in the 500+ seat National Assembly. It has only a few mayors, so it has little actual exerience governing anything. The FN suffers from being dominated by Marine. Marion Marechal Le Pen looked like a successor to Marine, but she appears to have withdrawn from public life to raise her children (good for her). Jean-Marie must be pushing 90, so he can't be a factor for too long. Marine's attempt to promote a suitable deputy fell apart when Florian Phillipot left to form his own movement. She really is isolated and, in my opinion, rather unsure how to proceed. She knows that if France stays in the EU and EMU it has little to no chance to adopt serious restrictions on immigration. But talk of withdrawing from the EU and EMU scares the French equivalent of soccer moms. Although France refuses to keep statistics on racial and religious minorities, some of the available data suggest that France is undergoing a dramatic demographic shift, that may start to become apparent by 2027, if not earlier. Most of those Arab- and African-origin voters (including later generations) are going to vote Socialist or Front Gauche. Time is running out for European-origin French people.

    Replies: @polskijoe

  79. @David
    @candid_observer

    I agree the discussion of immigration is really beginning to loosen up. I'm quite impressed by this op-ed from today's NYT, "What happened to Germany":


    Social democracy's second contradiction is that you can't promote a borderless world and the welfare state at the same time...

    Millions of angry left-wing voters... saw a state that had plenty of money for others but not for them

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/opinion/germany-social-democrats-coalition.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous

    The New York Times has finally let up on its decade long ban on admitting the obvious economic contradiction between having a strong welfare state and mass, open emigration. Krugman was confessing this kind of thing back in 2006 or so, but let that go during the Obama years.

  80. @El Dato
    @whorefinder

    Remember the BLM movement of the UK.

    2016-09-06:

    Black Lives Matter protest stops flights at London City airport: Police arrest seven of nine people chained to tripod on runway in protest against impact of air pollution on black people

    You just need a few crazies following a fad, sponsoring is needed if you go really Big only.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Fun story: John Dean’s first task in the Nixon White House was reporting on black radical activities in the Netherlands before Nixon’s European tour in early 1969. So, this kind of thing is nothing new.

    Granted, this was a year after LBJ was pretty much hemmed 24/7 into the White House by assassination threats and after 2 square miles of downtown Chicago and Washington were burnt down, but the Nixon crew was overly worried: the Europeans were determined to pull out all the security stops to make sure the trip went smoothly, given that NATO was going through a really rough period after 8 years of tempestuous relations with Kennedy and Johnson. Still, yet another example of Marx’s dictum of history repeating itself as farce.

  81. @neutral
    @BB753

    I wonder if the French tourist industry can be salvaged at all, places like China might be sheltered somewhat from what happens in the world, but the demographic realities of Paris cannot be covered up anymore. All that countries such as Hungary have to do is to show the streets of Paris compared to the streets of Budapest, I cannot imagine many Chinese tourists picking Paris. I don't even think that the purist of ideological SJW that lives in New York truly wants to go to Paris if it consists of people that tend to make up Americas most dangerous cities.

    Replies: @BB753

    Paris is still safer than any large American city, including NY. Not for long, though.

  82. @nebulafox
    @Svigor

    I don't think it is play-acting. The two are very different people, in spite of being father and daughter.

    Marine has always thought of seriously becoming President, by all indications, ever since she was a girl. Speculation, but this is a lady who grew up having her household bombed-that sort of thing creates scars that results in future ambitions. Anyway, to become President, you've got to think in terms of a mass coalition. Marine Le Pen, as I've stated before, is only 40-ish and is still a work in progress: once you take that into account, her political strategy looks quite well thought out.

    Her father, on the other hand, never really cared about anything other than being a jerk-off, and the skinheads and former Algerian paratroopers he surrounded himself with sufficed just fine for that. I think he was always aware of the hard electoral limits he had and gleefully embraced his provocateur role.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    I agree the dispute between Marine and Jean-Marie Le Pen is not play acting and that Marine is trying to build some type of coalition to win the Presidency. She turns 50 next year, so she might arguably have three more presidential elections in which she is a viable candidate. I am an FN member and a great admirer of Marine Le Pen, so the following observations are not pleasant to make. The French electoral system marginalizes the FN–it can win over a third of the votes for president, but still has about ten seats in the 500+ seat National Assembly. It has only a few mayors, so it has little actual exerience governing anything. The FN suffers from being dominated by Marine. Marion Marechal Le Pen looked like a successor to Marine, but she appears to have withdrawn from public life to raise her children (good for her). Jean-Marie must be pushing 90, so he can’t be a factor for too long. Marine’s attempt to promote a suitable deputy fell apart when Florian Phillipot left to form his own movement. She really is isolated and, in my opinion, rather unsure how to proceed. She knows that if France stays in the EU and EMU it has little to no chance to adopt serious restrictions on immigration. But talk of withdrawing from the EU and EMU scares the French equivalent of soccer moms. Although France refuses to keep statistics on racial and religious minorities, some of the available data suggest that France is undergoing a dramatic demographic shift, that may start to become apparent by 2027, if not earlier. Most of those Arab- and African-origin voters (including later generations) are going to vote Socialist or Front Gauche. Time is running out for European-origin French people.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
    @Diversity Heretic

    What are FNs views on abortion and fag marriage?
    How would you describe their relations with Israel?

  83. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Inclusive, inclusive, inclusive. I hate that word.

    How can anything survive by being ‘inclusive’?

    The integrity of anything is defined by Exclusion, not Inclusion.

    Imagine having a party where ANYONE or ANY NUMBER of people can arrive.

    Imagine a college with OPEN ADMISSIONS to anyone.

    Imagine an army that allows anyone, even dwarfs and cripples, to be soldiers.

    Inclusion is just license for intrusion. Jewish elites want to rule Western nations, and so, all European, American, and Canadian institutions must INCLUDE Jews. To push this mindset among whites, white nations are pressured to be ‘inclusive’ to the world.

    So, how did France turn out by letting Inspector Incluseau run everything?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    The integrity of anything is defined by Exclusion, not Inclusion.
     
    You're using basic logic and common sense. That's not who we are!
    , @Bill
    @Anon

    "Inspector Incluseau"

    Like.

  84. Who wouldn’t want to participate in a Conversation on Race in which your part in the “conversation” is to hang your head in shame while everyone accuses you of everything ever done in history, and then you’re supposed to pull out your wallet?

    And did I mention that the “Shake-down” I mean “Conversation” is never over.

  85. @J.Ross
    @AKAHorace

    I've gone and forgotten the name, I believe it's something like Canada 2020 or the Metropolitan Project, but Canadian leftists absolutely have a centralized programmatic directing organization that comes up with all that stuff. It was actually in the news about a year ago in a heavily censored article that still spelled everything out. Also Canada is generally ahead of us in embracing the book of Revelations. They literally hold meetings in which they say "we're not seeing enough intermarriage" or "the next thing is to talk up safety."

    Replies: @AKAHorace

    My impression though is that Canadian progressives are obsessed and insecure about what the rest of the world thinks of us in a way that American progressives are not. What you describe is the Canadian strategy of figuring out where the band wagon is heading, then rushing ahead of it so we can say that we are leading it.

    One strongly worded editorial from the New York Times and Canada 2020 would do a serious reevaluation of their priorities. Amusing for you, depressing for me.

  86. @Anon
    Is Macron doing this for nationalism or to serve Jewish Power?

    After all, Too Many Muslims means headache for Jews in France.

    If so, it seems Jews are trying to have the cake and eat it too.

    They use Macron to crack down on invaders hostile to Jews... but make big noise about how they're appalled by his abuses of human rights of Peuple de Couleur.

    Replies: @polskijoe

    The countries which resist Muslim immigration,
    are largely connected to Zionists. Poland, Hungary, Czechia.

    Thats part of political Zionism. Get some allies for Israel in exchange for “support”.
    Remember by way of deception wage war.

    In Poland they are now demanding tens of millions of dollars for you guessed it Jews and Holocaust.
    The new pick in Poland for one of the ministers is connected apparently to Mossad.

    Europe has a choice between two foreign groups, Muslims/Globalist Jews or Zionist Jews.
    The Catholic Church is split and weakened and sending groups to work with both of the above.

  87. @Diversity Heretic
    @nebulafox

    I agree the dispute between Marine and Jean-Marie Le Pen is not play acting and that Marine is trying to build some type of coalition to win the Presidency. She turns 50 next year, so she might arguably have three more presidential elections in which she is a viable candidate. I am an FN member and a great admirer of Marine Le Pen, so the following observations are not pleasant to make. The French electoral system marginalizes the FN--it can win over a third of the votes for president, but still has about ten seats in the 500+ seat National Assembly. It has only a few mayors, so it has little actual exerience governing anything. The FN suffers from being dominated by Marine. Marion Marechal Le Pen looked like a successor to Marine, but she appears to have withdrawn from public life to raise her children (good for her). Jean-Marie must be pushing 90, so he can't be a factor for too long. Marine's attempt to promote a suitable deputy fell apart when Florian Phillipot left to form his own movement. She really is isolated and, in my opinion, rather unsure how to proceed. She knows that if France stays in the EU and EMU it has little to no chance to adopt serious restrictions on immigration. But talk of withdrawing from the EU and EMU scares the French equivalent of soccer moms. Although France refuses to keep statistics on racial and religious minorities, some of the available data suggest that France is undergoing a dramatic demographic shift, that may start to become apparent by 2027, if not earlier. Most of those Arab- and African-origin voters (including later generations) are going to vote Socialist or Front Gauche. Time is running out for European-origin French people.

    Replies: @polskijoe

    What are FNs views on abortion and fag marriage?
    How would you describe their relations with Israel?

  88. @Svigor
    From the CNN link:

    In one tweet, Nehlen proudly revealed that he is reading "The Culture of Critique," a book about Jewish culture widely considered to be anti-semitic. In other tweets, he has used the "#ItsOkayToBeWhite" hashtag.
     
    "Widely considered antisemitic" is cute. How does it translate? "Lots of people smear it as ANTISEMITIC!!! because criticizing Jews isn't like criticizing mere white folks; criticizing mere white folks is great but criticizing Jews just isn't done"?

    The inflammatory online activity has drawn fierce scrutiny from Nehlen's critics
     
    Reading the piece so you guys don't have to: yes, saying that he's reading CoC and it's okay to be white is the extent of Nehlen's inflammatory activity. You have to see it through a Jewish lens: if Nehlen had stolen Palestinian land or bombed a Palestinian neighborhood or shot a Palestinian kid, that'd be one thing, but reading books and tolerating whiteness is a whole 'nother level.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    By calling Paul Nehlen an antisemite for saying he’s indifferent to Jews and tweeting that he’s reading Kevin MacDonald, the establishment, on both the left and right, is playing into antisemites’ hands.

    I get why: they’re not bothered by Nehlen per se but by some of the antisemites he’s dredged up (according to Nehlen’s recent Twitter poll, ~25% of his followers identify as antisemites), but it’s a dumb and counterproductive tack, IMO.

  89. @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer


    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Plus you get great dinners at the Elysée Palace, if you like snails and frogs. Better than what The Donald likes, overcooked steaks with kethup.
    “It would rock on the plate, it was so well done,” Anthony Senecal, Trump’s long-time butler, told The New York Times.

    Replies: @Pericles

    French cooking, mmmm. I can still recall a long summer vacation along the west coast. Always three-course lunches at no-name restaurants. Always fresh fantastic oysters for starters. Endless beaches. It was a while ago, I wonder if it’s still so.

    I’ve heard Obama subsists mainly on kale enemas, any Truth to that?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Pericles

    Your funny comment. I have nothing against French cooking, just joking around. Though if I had the money to blow it would be an eating tour of Vietnam and Western China where they eat lots lamb and sheep dishes. Or Patagonia for their King crabs.
    ____
    Best King Crab! - Review of Volver, Ushuaia, Argentina ...
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  90. @Altai
    @J.Ross

    This Tweet sums things up nicely.

    https://twitter.com/VSPrickskin/status/931114218341797889

    Replies: @Pericles

    The wrong side of history wants to switch sides.

  91. My impression of Macron is more positive than before, but I still think there’s a big (big!) risk he’s just a tool for the elites, even if he’s not currently implementing the usual neoliberal crush-the-white-proles agenda. Perhaps they realized things were getting out of hand there for a while.

  92. @Tiny Duck
    The only way we can fix the societal evil of racism is the complete destruction of whiteness

    Replies: @newrouter, @Simply Simon

    “The only way we can fix the societal evil of racism is the complete destruction of whiteness”

    You make Roy G Biv sad.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Matra
    @Maj. Kong

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don't know why he did so. Perhaps he's got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Maj. Kong

    his just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don’t know why he did so. Perhaps he’s got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.

  94. @candid_observer
    I'm quite impressed with the dramatic change in direction pretty much everywhere in the West on the immigration issue.

    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.

    But taboos come and go. They can't survive open challenge.

    We have three more years of Trump, at the very least. I think we'll end with a very different culture surrounding immigration from the one we started with.

    Replies: @guest, @David, @AnotherDad

    First Brexit, then Trump, freed up discussion of immigration. What they exposed is the bankruptcy of the case for immigration: it comes down to nothing more than an accusation of racism in its opponents. Nothing more than pure taboo supports it. Every fact runs against it.

    This.

    There is literally no reasonable or logical argument for immigration. It makes pretty much everything people value–prosperity, social cohesion, pleasant low-crime communities, equality, education, environmental protection, welfare–worse. Logically/mathematically it makes absolutely zero sense–it is either growth until your quality of life declines to the point no one wants to come or outright population replacement.

    It only made sense when it was essentially invasion and settlement (by Europeans) of someone elses (defeated natives) territory. Why do you want to let other people do that to us?

    Intellectually the immigration ideology is the classic empty suit. There is nothing there. It is completely based on hatred of white gentiles and coherent nations, virtue signalling, cheap labor swilling and power politics.

  95. @Anon
    Inclusive, inclusive, inclusive. I hate that word.

    How can anything survive by being 'inclusive'?

    The integrity of anything is defined by Exclusion, not Inclusion.

    Imagine having a party where ANYONE or ANY NUMBER of people can arrive.

    Imagine a college with OPEN ADMISSIONS to anyone.

    Imagine an army that allows anyone, even dwarfs and cripples, to be soldiers.

    Inclusion is just license for intrusion. Jewish elites want to rule Western nations, and so, all European, American, and Canadian institutions must INCLUDE Jews. To push this mindset among whites, white nations are pressured to be 'inclusive' to the world.

    So, how did France turn out by letting Inspector Incluseau run everything?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30HUOx6SYk

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bill

    The integrity of anything is defined by Exclusion, not Inclusion.

    You’re using basic logic and common sense. That’s not who we are!

  96. @Matra
    @J.Ross

    Macron signalled this in his Versailles speech by daring to mention the forbidden concept of “Islamic terrorism.” Thanks to Obama bringing CAIR and Ikhwan into the federal bureaucracy, that’s still thoughtcrime here.

    Even under the hapless Francois Hollande the French, unlike in the US, UK, & Germany, usually referred specifically to "Islamic terrorism". This is nothing new. Given that Angela Merkel spoke out against multiculturalism five or six years ago and Tony Blair condemned political correctness during his first term (1997-2001) just before unleashing more of it than Britain had ever seen, I think we should hold off on getting too enthusiastic about the mere words used by Western leaders.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    In Australia, John Howard and certain of his ministers made tough-sounding statements against multiculturalism and Islamic fundamentalism. It all sounded so reassuring. The ‘big people’ understood, supposedly. But not a single one of them ever proposed taking the most elementary measure against it, which is to end immigration. And since ending immigration is the only measure that can be taken that’s consistent with ‘liberal values’ as they’re understood today, it means nothing is ever done. (I mean this in the sense that you could secretly end immigration tomorrow, and pretty much no one would ever figure out that it had been done. That’s very different to all other anti-diversity policies, whose impact would be readily detectable by the populace.)

  97. @IHTG
    @Maj. Kong


    If Nehlen is still viable in a few months
     
    lmao

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Just curious, do black lives matter in Israel?

  98. exposing a hypocrisy at the heart of French nationalism. …

    The audacity of the NYT (or other left leaning publication) to call out supposed hypocrisy is sheer chutzpah. The NYT is perhaps one of the most hypocritical publications in existence, bar perhaps rolling stone.

  99. @Abe
    @Steve Sailer


    Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What’s a higher job than President of France?
     
    Swedish international bikini team inspector?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Swedish international bikini team inspector?

    Is the position open, now that Harvey’s away?

  100. @Matra
    @Maj. Kong

    This just became the number 1 spending seat. A deluge of cash will be raining down upon Ryan and the Dem running against him.

    Why? In all likelihood Nehlen has made himself unelectable. I don't know why he did so. Perhaps he's got a strong sense of truth and justice but those are not advantages when running for office. Another possibility is that Nehlen is laying the groundwork for a political career outside of elected office.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Maj. Kong

    AIPAC has a large and wealthy donor base, that’s why.

    There have been rumors that Ryan might retire. If so, Nehlen could win a split primary with a plurality. In that case, the Dem would probably win the general.

    Nehlen is also increasing the chances that more candidates like him enter politics, because he has shifted the Overton window.

    • LOL: IHTG
  101. Anonymous [AKA "Kevin Murphy"] says:

    Israel is getting ready to forcibly deport all of their African migrants. They had 60,000 but have already forced out 15,000.While Germany welcomed well over a million the last couple of years Bibi is giving them the option of accepting $3,500 or being dumped in Rwanda with no papers. Since 2009 Israel has given permanent residence to 8 or 9 migrants I recently read in an Israeli news paper.The names the migrants are called are not suitable for a family blog but we are told they are among our greatest friends.

  102. @David
    @candid_observer

    I agree the discussion of immigration is really beginning to loosen up. I'm quite impressed by this op-ed from today's NYT, "What happened to Germany":


    Social democracy's second contradiction is that you can't promote a borderless world and the welfare state at the same time...

    Millions of angry left-wing voters... saw a state that had plenty of money for others but not for them

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/opinion/germany-social-democrats-coalition.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous

    Well, the mosquito-brains of the so-called ‘Green’ (Marxist) Party continue preaching that exact same line.

  103. Oh, yes, just what we need, another “open debate on racism” — with special emphasis on “open”. Perhaps in France it would be more open than here in the U.S. where words have completely lost their meaning and are clubs for the left to beat up white people.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/words-weapons-and-rituals-of-left-and.html

  104. @whorefinder

    She has also addressed a recent death and a brutal beating of black youths by police officers that led to a Black Lives Matter movement in France.
     
    As if Soros and other Leftist money men wanted to telegraph that he's behind this movement.

    I'm remembering 1968, when student demonstrations were occurring around the Western world, such as in France and in Ireland. Had it occurred in the U.S. alone, I could chalk it up to Vietnam war opposition. But worldwide? Yeah, clearly someone was behind that organization---likely the Soviets.

    Here, we have no soviets around to run the BLM movement, and indeed a "Black Lives Matter" movement outside the U.S. has no historical precedence or sanity. It literally makes zero sense for BLM to pop up in any non-U.S. country. But we do have the money man Soros and his crony leftists who could finance it's rise, logic be danged.

    Replies: @donut, @AKAHorace, @Jake, @Twodees Partain, @El Dato, @Jaakko Raipala

    A counter-point to the “Soviet” theory of 1968 is that at the same time protests were happening in communist countries and the protests that the Soviet Union crushed in Czechoslovakia were not “right-wing”, they were a project of leftists who wanted a more liberal socialism than Brezhnev’s Soviet bloc. The Prague protests had much more in common with the Western student Left than with the Politburo in Moscow and in fact Western protesters tended to side with the Prague Spring and against the Soviet Union.

    Perhaps what happened in 1968 actually was actually the collapse of Soviet influence in Western Leftist circles. Communism as a roadmap to revolution in Western countries was a dead idea and young Leftists in the West felt that the Soviet Union had little to offer to them. The Soviet Union in Czechoslovakia confirmed its nature as a “conservative” regime only interested in keeping its past gains and not interested in spreading revolution in the West. The ground was set for the emergence of a “new Left”.

    So who fed ideas to this “new Left”? My personal conspiracy theory is that much of it was engineered by the CIA and other American deep state organizations to create another international Left to counter Soviet influence. This mind virus project was then so successful that it even took over the masters that it was supposed to serve.

    • Agree: BB753
  105. @Tiny Duck
    The only way we can fix the societal evil of racism is the complete destruction of whiteness

    Replies: @newrouter, @Simply Simon

    It seems to me that whites are doing a good job of erasing themselves by the very low birth rate.

  106. @Pericles
    @Clyde

    French cooking, mmmm. I can still recall a long summer vacation along the west coast. Always three-course lunches at no-name restaurants. Always fresh fantastic oysters for starters. Endless beaches. It was a while ago, I wonder if it's still so.

    I've heard Obama subsists mainly on kale enemas, any Truth to that?

    Replies: @Clyde

    Your funny comment. I have nothing against French cooking, just joking around. Though if I had the money to blow it would be an eating tour of Vietnam and Western China where they eat lots lamb and sheep dishes. Or Patagonia for their King crabs.
    ____
    Best King Crab! – Review of Volver, Ushuaia, Argentina …
    http://www.tripadvisor.com › … › Ushuaia › Ushuaia Restaurants › Volver
    Apr 17, 2015 · Volver: Best King Crab! – See 809 traveler reviews, 384 candid photos, and great deals for Ushuaia, Argentina, at TripAdvisor.

  107. @Anonymous
    Macron is like a French Bill Clinton, who did far more to advance a "conservative" agenda in the USA than any Republican ever dreamed of before or after - ended welfare as we knew it, cracked down on crime, and not only balanced the budget, but ran such a surplus that people were worried that there soon wouldn't be enough government bonds around to support financial markets and such.

    So why does the right hate Bill Clinton so much? Maybe the Republicans really are the stupid party.

    Replies: @peterike, @europeasant

    So why does the right hate Bill Clinton so much? Maybe the Republicans really are the stupid party.

    Gutting U.S. industry and sending it to China, for one. For the Muh Defense types, turning a blind eye to Chinese military espionage and freeing up shipments to key U.S. technology to the Chinese that let China close a decades-wide technology gap in a few years. Who was that guy from some satellite company or whatever? Been too many years, can’t remember his name. But he gave Bill a few sheckles and Bill opened the door for him.

  108. @Anonymous
    Macron is like a French Bill Clinton, who did far more to advance a "conservative" agenda in the USA than any Republican ever dreamed of before or after - ended welfare as we knew it, cracked down on crime, and not only balanced the budget, but ran such a surplus that people were worried that there soon wouldn't be enough government bonds around to support financial markets and such.

    So why does the right hate Bill Clinton so much? Maybe the Republicans really are the stupid party.

    Replies: @peterike, @europeasant

    Maybe itz the following quotes from Mr Clinton!

    “A half century from now, when your own grandchildren are in college, there will be no majority race in America.”

    “This will arguably be the third great revolution in America . . . to prove that we literally can live without in effect having a dominant European culture. We want to become a multiracial, multiethnic society. We’re not going to disintegrate in the face of it.”

    So your Mr Clinton “appears to welcome the end of our “dominant European culture” is ominous, since it means that the chief executive no longer considers that cultural identity to be worth conserving or even that it can be conserved, and it is in this that the real purpose of Mr. Clinton’s race initiative is to be found. Its real purpose, in short, is simply to accommodate white Americans to the racial transformation of their country and the imminent destruction of their culture”

    So so yes he did some good but White people became very angry with him and his race pandering. We found out he was a traitor to White people . That’s a game changer. Now go and re-read “The Bell Curve” to bring you up to speed.

  109. @Anon
    Inclusive, inclusive, inclusive. I hate that word.

    How can anything survive by being 'inclusive'?

    The integrity of anything is defined by Exclusion, not Inclusion.

    Imagine having a party where ANYONE or ANY NUMBER of people can arrive.

    Imagine a college with OPEN ADMISSIONS to anyone.

    Imagine an army that allows anyone, even dwarfs and cripples, to be soldiers.

    Inclusion is just license for intrusion. Jewish elites want to rule Western nations, and so, all European, American, and Canadian institutions must INCLUDE Jews. To push this mindset among whites, white nations are pressured to be 'inclusive' to the world.

    So, how did France turn out by letting Inspector Incluseau run everything?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30HUOx6SYk

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bill

    “Inspector Incluseau”

    Like.

  110. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow who has gotten himself one of the really, really good jobs in the world? What's a higher job than President of France?

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Father O'Hara, @Clyde, @Abe, @dfordoom

    Or maybe Macron is a clever fellow

    He definitely does seem to be clever. And now he’s got the top job in the country for the next five years he seems to have figured out that he can do pretty much what he wants to do. There’s no real organised political opposition at this point.

    What he actually wants to do remains a mystery. But the fact that he’s apparently been aiming at that top job since he was a schoolboy suggests that he does want to do something.

    He might save France, or he might destroy France. I don’t really care that much either way. France has been an enemy of civilisation since 1789. Either way it will be entertaining to watch. Lots of popcorn required.

  111. @Twodees Partain
    @whorefinder

    "someone was behind that organization—likely the Soviets."

    That meme was as false then as it is now. It's more likely that some schemers with billions were behind the Vietnam war than it is that the war was just and that some evil schemers were behind the movement to end it.

    How is it that you find credible the idea that Soros is behind BLM, but you can't feature that an antiwar movement in '68 could have been a popular uprising? Were you around for the antiwar movement of the late '60s to the early '70s? If you were, how is it that you haven't advanced beyond the idea that the USSR was behind American opposition to a criminal war?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    how is it that you haven’t advanced beyond the idea that the USSR was behind American opposition to a criminal war?

    American opposition to that war is easily explained. There was conscription. Middle-class college kiddies were scared that they might actually get drafted and have to fight. Some, like Bill Clinton, were so scared they fled to Canada.

    They didn’t care about the Vietnamese. They wanted to save their own skins. It was the same in Australia.

    The antiwar movement was entirely composed of cowardly middle-class college kiddies. It was a dumb war but don’t kid yourself that the antiwar protestors were idealists.

    War is usually most popular among those who don’t actually have to do the fighting.

    • Agree: BB753

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