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It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?

 
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  1. It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?

    Not sure that the Muslims would bomb St Peter’s; surely they look forward to the day when they can convert it into a mosque (cf Hagia Sophia in Constantinople/Istanbul)?

    On the other hand, that would still leave the door open to mass shootings…..

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @syonredux

    The enemy is already inside St. Peter's. Anti-Pope Francis has repeatedly called for more immigrants and "welcoming." However, none of that will stop the Muslims from bombing it anyway.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  2. Multiple’ casualties following major incident in London
    Police say they are responding to three incidents in London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall
    ‘I saw a man with a large blade’: witnesses describe attack
    Reports a car collided with pedestrians on London Bridge
    Officers dealing with reports of stabbings in Borough Market
    Reports of fatalities in London Bridge area
    At least two people have been killed and and multiple people are injured after a string of terror attacks at landmarks across London.

    London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall have all been hit in what appears to be a series of coordinated attacks south of the River Thames.

    The London Bridge area is in lockdown after a white transit van ploughed into a crowd of people at speed shortly after 10pm, sparking a major incident. Witnesses reported up to 20 people injured. There were also reports of pedestrians being attacked with knives.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/03/london-bridge-incident-armed-police-respond-several-people-mown/

  3. Sweet Thames Flow Softly

  4. So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    • Agree: Daniel H, NickG
    • Replies: @anon
    @rw95

    Only if you bet me that leftists and the media will say this has nothing to do with islam.

    Care for a bit o sharia wif your fish n chips , mate ?

    If we don't allow in millions of "asians" and "mediteranians " , how the hell are we going to get kebabs and asian takeaway ? I mean the recipes are secret , difficult to recreate and totally unavailable on the internet.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Frau Katze

    , @carol
    @rw95

    The euros' stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded

    Replies: @Kylie, @anon

    , @Johnny F. Ive
    @rw95

    The UK will never change its foreign policy and immigration policy. They'll probably use it to push even more intrusive laws on their citizenry which won't solve the problem. We know through Patrick Cockburn that the UK has aided Libyan terrorist living inside the UK and was well aware of the concept of blowback. If people want change then they need to demand the heads of the people who have aided these people inside the UK government.

    Replies: @Parbes

    , @biz
    @rw95

    Nothing will change. In fact I'm sure some commenter will be along here shortly to tell us yet again that this had nothing to do with the jihad and martyrdom doctrine in Islam but rather was caused by US foreign policy or Israel or something.

    , @TheJester
    @rw95

    Absolutely right ... nothing will change. There will be more concerts and other public events to express everyone's solidarity with everyone else. There will be public huggings (rather than hangings). There will be gigabytes of tweets offering condolences to the victims and their families with pleas to remind everyone that not all Muslims are terrorists.

    The above, of course, is useless virtue signaling. It makes people feel better about something they will do nothing about. MI5 got the problem right after Manchester: There are already up to 20,000 suspected terrorists hiding within Britain's Muslim immigrant communities ... and it can only monitor and track 3,000 of them at a time. Given the relatively high Muslim birth rate, this ratio will get worse as years go by. In short, it is too late to doing anything about Islamic terrorism in Britain or anywhere else in Western Europe.

    This should have been foreseen ... but maybe not. This is the new European society populated by radical feminists and gelded "cucks" making concrete progress in establishing a New World Order. As a generalization, the anti-natalist New World Order is led by childless feminists and male homosexuals who for years have been arranging, via mass immigration, the intentional atomization of society with the most diverse social and religious demographic they could organize. A permanent but tolerable level of terrorism on the part of Muslim immigrant communities is now de rigueur across the entire continent.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    , @Mr. Anon
    @rw95


    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?
     
    There will probably be an incremental increase in the kind of state repression that is called "Security". Other than that - you are right - nothing will change.

    If we do anything to stop terrorism, the terrorists win.
    , @Erik Sieven
    @rw95

    this is just another incident in a long series of incidents which most likely has not ended yet. So why should anything change?

    , @Yak-15
    @rw95

    I think the biggot British will finally start respecting Islam. It's about time!

    , @Pat Boyle
    @rw95

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one - or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of 'bad' Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don't necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I've used before on similar threads - between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Mr. Anon, @Wilkey, @for-the-record

    , @AnotherDad
    @rw95

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury ... that's unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot--witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there--if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews--despite being victims of immense mass murder--still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for "peace", the "unity" concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Kylie, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy, @Daniel Chieh, @CCZ

    , @dfordoom
    @rw95


    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?
     
    Things have changed already. PM Theresa May has promised a savage crackdown on freedom of speech.

    This is of course something that she has always wanted to do.

    From the point of view of the British political establishment things are progressing very nicely indeed. It helps if you keep in mind that Islamic terrorists and the globalist political establishment are on the same side. Both would love to get rid of this pesky democracy business.
  5. You can tell that Muslims are mostly IQ < 100 and following a holy text. Events like this will ultimately result in their expulsion back to MENA or the afterlife.

    East Asians are more disciplined and willing to wait until they see the whites of their eyes so to speak before doing much other than ensuring Richard Gere never stars in a major movie again. 1.4B of our people should have an ethnostate and then we'll talk about other zones where we'll try the open borders experiment.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonym

    MENA people vs MENSA people. Sadly, for them, MENA people don't have what it takes to be successful in a MENSA world, so they lash out at society. Also, it doesn't help that MENA people, due to centuries of inbreeding, tend to look 'off'. They're not getting much sex from white women, and that isn't helping matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonym, @Daniel H

  6. And fun. One of their biggest targets is Western concept of fun. The phrase “relax with a nice evening out” is headed to the landfill of cultural history.

  7. Seven dead people confirmed.

    “Jihadi terrorists shouting ‘this is for Allah’ kill seven in knife frenzy at ‘FIVE’ locations in the capital: Hunt for men with 12in blades who began the rampage by mowing down revellers on London Bridge 
    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

  8. • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous

    First mural at Eiffel Tower

     

    More about the artist:

    Paris Mural Artist Depicts Whites Getting Murdered, Raped, and Enslaved
    ... The mural depicts white and black figures intertwined, in the middle a black male figure looks like he’s having sex with a white female figure. Many of people have pointed out the shape of the figures makes a six pointed star, or the “star of David”. ... The artist Cleon Peterson named his mural, “The Endless Sleep“
    [more works by the same artist shown]

     

    -----------

    Cleon Peterson’s Dystopian (Anti-White?) Future
    vast majority of his paintings depict black figures attacking and eviscerating white figures ... the blacks standing over the soon-to-be white victims are meting out justice ... In many of the paintings the black figures assaulting whites are in uniform — they have the power. ... I haven’t found any where the black figures are being victimized by the white figures ... But a very large percentage of his output clearly depicts white figures being victimized by black figures. The black figures are always depicted as male, but the white victims are often females ... They are dressed alike in any given picture, either in police uniforms or nearly naked in what looks like underwear or a tight bathing suit. ... Mr. Peterson would likely never claim to be depicting a dystopian future where non-Whites have power and use it to mercilessly attack Whites.
    [more works by the same artist shown]

     

    The same artist has his murder/rapist figures holding spears on the sail of Edmond De Rothschild's new sailboat.

    Maxi Edmond De Rothschild unveiled
    ...On Thursday, March 30th, the Gitana Team invited the press to the Palais de Tokyo to mark the official launch of Maxi Edmond de Rothschild, a "giant" 32 metres long by 23 metres wide

     

  9. from the daily mail’s coverage:

    Police have responded … telling people ‘you must run, hide and tell‘, Scotland Yard said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html#ixzz4izMqc8PE

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Maiden has more divisions than May.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVceoX-pX0I

  10. Europe has voted for suicide. The population had its spirit beaten down by vicious anti-White “elites”.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Anonymous

    The population had a chance to stop the madness in France and they elected the traitorous bastard Macron. The people who choose to be manipulated by their hostile elites deserve the hells they have brought on themselves.

    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Parbes, @Joe Schmoe

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Audio-visual propaganda in the form of MSM entertainment / information is unsurpassed in its ability to sway the masses. Not for nothing is the stranglehold maintained at all costs.

    , @anon
    @Anonymous


    Europe has voted for suicide.
     
    No they didn't.

    They are being manipulated into what is effectively a stealth genocide by a corrupted political-media class.

    If it was suicide the media and politicians wouldn't have to lie about and cover up the negative consequences of mass immigration.
  11. Compare how the Brits dealt with IRA terrorists and now vs. Islamoterrorists. Brits are doomed unless they wake the F up

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @K. Lastima


    Compare how the Brits dealt with IRA terrorists and now vs. Islamoterrorists.
     
    If by "the Brits" you mean their ruling class, the difference is easy to comprehend.

    The IRA was a threat to their power and the present wave of Muslim terrorism is not. Which also explains why they want the proles to get used to it.
  12. The biggest problem with all these terrorist attacks is that they might get people to thinking that diversity and multiculturalism are not strengths. Then where would we be?

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @RW

    I agree. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt

    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    @RW

    Rest assured that as we speak Scotland Yard has their priorities in order by combing through social media to arrest anyone making mean tweets regarding this event.

  13. St. Peters had pretty stout security last year. It took maybe forty minutes to work through the check points. Suicide bombers would find it hard, I would guess. There were bag checks (and metal detectors, as I recall.) There would be other ways to carry out a terrorist act, however, and not much could be done about it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    , @Dutch Boy
    @J1234

    The Swiss Guards are no joke.

  14. Europe:

    “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

    • LOL: Kylie
  15. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    Only if you bet me that leftists and the media will say this has nothing to do with islam.

    Care for a bit o sharia wif your fish n chips , mate ?

    If we don’t allow in millions of “asians” and “mediteranians ” , how the hell are we going to get kebabs and asian takeaway ? I mean the recipes are secret , difficult to recreate and totally unavailable on the internet.

    • LOL: rw95
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @anon

    It's worse than a sane person can even imagine or lampoon. I'm already getting whiffs of prog propaganda that these attacks have been staged by the Tories to influence tomorrow's election.

    , @Frau Katze
    @anon

    Not to mention the cultural appropriation if whites tried to cook Asian food. It's just not acceptable!

  16. WHAT? The first news website I visit in my daily routine is unz. Is there another terrorist attack in London?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @anon

    My thoughts exactly.

    Actually I was planning on reading more on Oliver Stone's interview with Putin later in the day, but for now I ... must ... fight ... ants in the house.

    (My name is not Leiningen)

  17. The UEFA Champions League final was happening in Cardiff at about the same time, and the broadcasters emphasized the extra security measures taken for it. Could the authorities have had a vague idea that something was afoot in Britain? Were the usual London security forces diverted to Cardiff?

    By the way, St. Peter’s Basilica was sacked by Muslims once in the ninth century.

  18. In a month starts the tour de france. It’s actually the perfect target for terrorists. Watched live by millions ans no real distance to the riders.
    I think it’s just a matter of time before someone blows up live on tv.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    @Anon

    Boston Marathon bombing came close. Similar event.

  19. This is very shocking. I thought U.K Muslims would answer the call of Katy Perry and other pop stars to “come together”. I thought Trump calling last week’s Muslim terrorist attacker an “evil loser” would have sent other would be Muslim terrorists into permanent hiding.

    I guess it’s back to the drawing board.

    • Replies: @anon
    @KenH


    I thought Trump calling last week’s Muslim terrorist attacker an “evil loser” would have sent other would be Muslim terrorists into permanent hiding.
     
    One type of jihadist are people who have screwed up their lives - petty crime, prison etc - so "loser" might be accurate but saying it bigly will trigger them - important to recognize that aspect of their motivation but don't say it publicly, just incorporate it into analysis.

    The critical part isn't that - every population has "losers" - the critical point is the religion says you can gain *redemption* from loserdom if you die while killing non-Muslims.

    That's why non-Muslim "losers" convert in prison and go on jihad - the religion offers redemption through killing.

    Obviously most people want a quiet life so *most* Muslims ignore that part but it's there - that's the critical factor and the media-political class have been lying about it since 9/11.
  20. Scotland Yard have issued an urgent call for Davide Martello to wheel his piano to London Bridge

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @dr kill
    @jesse helms think-alike

    John Kerry and James Taylor are much more effective. Ever see a terror attack in MA?

  21. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    You can tell that Muslims are mostly IQ < 100 and following a holy text. Events like this will ultimately result in their expulsion back to MENA or the afterlife.

    East Asians are more disciplined and willing to wait until they see the whites of their eyes so to speak before doing much other than ensuring Richard Gere never stars in a major movie again. 1.4B of our people should have an ethnostate and then we'll talk about other zones where we'll try the open borders experiment.

    Replies: @anon

    MENA people vs MENSA people. Sadly, for them, MENA people don’t have what it takes to be successful in a MENSA world, so they lash out at society. Also, it doesn’t help that MENA people, due to centuries of inbreeding, tend to look ‘off’. They’re not getting much sex from white women, and that isn’t helping matters.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anon

    Don't get cocky, MENSA. It's your autistic security policies that got us in this mess.

    , @Anonym
    @anon

    They don't generally have what it takes to get a conventional job around the median income. The definition of success is different. They are successful at getting income from welfare, crime and grooming white girls. They are successful at creating no-go zones for police. Their incipient attempts at colonizing appear successful.

    However, once whites are pushed into a condition of war economy and war propaganda "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" etc. the organizational strengths, intelligence and dedication of whites will be a force to be reckoned with. I suspect within a generation we will be at that point.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Daniel H
    @anon

    MENSA people have no advantage in the struggle for survival. Mother nature has her own priorities in sorting out winners and losers. I'm a pessimist. I think MENA and continental African peoples have the competitive advantage.

  22. Well, judging from the comments at this and some other web sites, the fears of a backlash that will follow this terror attack, that the muslim community expressed last week, were fully justified!

    The only way I see to improve the situation is to somehow achieve an increase in frequency of these attacks, so that the authorities can make statistical predictions: “For this weekend, we forecast between seven and ten mass stabbings and three to five bombings, with total body count in the low eighties. Have a safe and pleasant weekend!”

    • LOL: Erik L
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jamie_NYC

    Like the weather report.

  23. I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual “we must fight them with love and tolerance” and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don’t think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @neutral

    "They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same."

    It's worth a try.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    , @jesse helms think-alike
    @neutral

    correct

    the enemy within is the only real obstacle to eliminating this problem

    a self confident united western civilization such as existed before the 60's would crush islam(ic extremism) as soon as yesterday if it had the will to do so.

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
    Cicero

    , @lavoisier
    @neutral

    True. The bogeyman we face is always portrayed as the Muslim fanatic, as if we were powerless to defeat these primitive monsters.

    We could mop up these primitives in a fortnight--nothing too violent--just deport the lot of them back to their ancestral kingdoms, were it not for the bloody fool liberal goodwhites who always stand in the way of doing what is reasonable to save one's civilization.

    They are the true enemy of Western Civilization, and they must be defeated if we have any hope to survive.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @neutral

    Well, we'd look at the bright side, now wouldn't we. A European city or two being nuked would create more living space for third-world immigrants. Win-win!

    , @anon
    @neutral


    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.
     
    If that was true the media-political class wouldn't have to cover up the rape jihad sweeping over Europe.

    "liberalism" aka the weighted average result of eurowhite genetics does have an inherent moral calculus but that calculus is being consciously fed false data by the politicians and the media.
    , @AnotherDad
    @neutral


    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.
     
    Thank you neutral.

    Yeah, I get so sick of all the nonsense about how this or that--"refugees", "illegals", "terrorism", "immigration"--is overwhelming and can't be fixed by the West.

    It's all utter nonsense. The refugee and illegal stuff is absolutely trivial. But none of it, even repatriation, is the least bit technically difficult for the West.

    Muzzies are just a nuisance--like the antics of adolescent boys. The entire problem is the ideological cancer of leftism, "tolerance", "open society" globalism, minoritarianism. Defeat those and the technical problems of enforcing borders and sending back the riff-raff and thus restoring Western nations is straightforward.
  24. terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” – London Mayor Sidiq Kahn the last time this happened.

    UK General Election 6/8 or is it 8/6.

    Searching for 3 men with 12 inch blades.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @George

    https://twitter.com/mayoroflondon/status/729986957984534528

  25. Steve,

    The fact that they have hit London Bridge once again shows that there is NO place to hide in London for the native populace, or for that matter anyplace in greater Europe!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dan Hayes


    The fact that they have hit London Bridge once again shows that there is NO place to hide in London for the native populace
     
    Most of the native populace have already been cleansed over the last 20 years by low level versions of this kind of attack which the media managed to cover up because they occurred in blue collar areas out of the public eye.

    The irony is most of the natives left in London are the people responsible - the private sector wealthy and government worker SJWs.
  26. WR says:

    You racists!, check Ms. Mensch’s twitter if you want to know how enlightened people react after one of these “incidents”

    Louise Mensch‏
    Verified account
     @LouiseMensch 2h
    2 hours ago

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    More
    Let me be plain. The United Kingdom is 100% comfortable being a tolerant diverse nation. Muslim Britons are our friends and neighbors.

    More
    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots. Not now. NOT EVER. #LondonBridge

    • Replies: @neutral
    @WR


    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots.
     
    Do the liberals that follow this women know how deranged she is, conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones might not be everyones cup of tea, but at least he tries to tie his ideas to real world things, she just makes stuff up. Going to @PutinRF there is not a mention of this event, looking at whats there is just standard meetings with other heads of states.
    , @guest
    @WR

    Why in the name of Cosmic Pete did it take her three tweets to mention Russia? She's slipping.

    , @Regina Phalange
    @WR

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    Except those of you wearing bulky vests with lots of little wires poking out. Then I'm gonna stand waaaaaaay over here. #dontwanttogetexploded

    , @ben tillman
    @WR

    Mensch's Twitter feed reads like a parody. "Putin hacked the election.... Hacked voter databases."

    What does that even mean?

  27. “It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?”

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn’t the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    , @European-American
    @Perspective


    Why doesn’t the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.
     
    The problem is it's like a virus with a very long delay. Sure, if you go to the wrong place or look at the wrong thing or think the wrong thought, the demographics are alarming. But if you watch French TV, entertainment, politics, etc. the people you see are all white. So why be alarmed? Nothing is changing at all when you watch TV.

    It's pretty hilarious, really. The usual white people endlessly discussing among themselves the problems of racism, the banlieue, and so on.

    Yeah the tourist industry may be among the first aware there's a problem... But it's hard to convince people and change things when the problem is invisible.

    , @Anon
    @Perspective

    My wife likes to travel in Europe and I am an indulgent husband, so we go to parts or Europe not yet transformed. We did a final trip to see the Louvre about 5 years ago, and now if we go to France it is to resorts and restaurants in the countryside. As for urban travels we will stick to Hungary, Slovakia, etc.

    , @anon
    @Perspective


    Why doesn’t the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony?
     
    Same reason as everything else - if they did it publicly they'd be destroyed by the traitor media-political class.

    They might be doing it privately.
    , @Bill B.
    @Perspective

    I've had several Thais and Singaporeans in recent months ask me why London (an iconic city in their eyes) has so many "Indians" and "(words probably best not written here)"and "Why would the British do that?"

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @anon

  28. @BB753
    Seven dead people confirmed.


    "Jihadi terrorists shouting 'this is for Allah' kill seven in knife frenzy at 'FIVE' locations in the capital: Hunt for men with 12in blades who began the rampage by mowing down revellers on London Bridge 
    The men, 'of Mediterranean origin', reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began 'randomly stabbing people' along Borough High Street"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

    Replies: @syonredux

    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”

    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’…..that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    German police crime blotters go with "men of Southern appearance".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @e
    @syonredux

    One witness described the men as "of Mediterranean or Asian colouring."

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying "Middle Eastern."

    Replies: @anon, @englishmike, @Bugg, @greysquirrell

    , @Sarah Toga
    @syonredux

    The French Riviera is on the Mediterranean . . . maybe that's what the "authorities" meant
    SMH

    , @anonymous
    @syonredux

    Sardinian separatists.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @syonredux

    It'll be that Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem again. Maltesers, and paramiltaries to boot. Nothing but trouble ...

    , @anonymous
    @syonredux

    ...or (hubba! hubba!) MIDDLE EASTERN!!

  29. How long do we have to wait before some idiot Limey politician calls the latest Third-World atrocity “a normal feature of daily London life” or says that we “must fight blind Hatred with bold acts of Love!”

    The sellers of yellow Teddy Bears and pink heart-shaped balloons are rushing to the blood-soaked scene of the crime before the adjoining streets can even be scraped clean of oozing Whitey guts.

  30. Moshe says:

    I think they like either prominent places or tourist places or jewish places or american places or, if the stars are aligned just right, all four.

    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish (and I assume there is some diversity there as well) but as you’ve mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.

    On your suggestion about this general ineptitude I watched The Four Lines about a decade ago and have to watch it again. It was beautiful.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish

    These appear to be rational acts. Why do you see them as irrational?

    Replies: @Moshe

    , @anon
    @Moshe


    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish
     
    The Koran commands them to attack non-Muslims and promises that if they die while killing non-Muslims they go to heaven.

    (obviously most people want a quiet life so they ignore that part of the Koran - but some don't)

    it's not complicated - the media is just lying about what it says in the Koran
    , @bomag
    @Moshe


    as you’ve mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.
     
    They are riding a trend that is in their favor.

    Every successful movement in history had it's early efforts described as unimpressive.

    Replies: @Amasius

  31. Pack them up, ship them out, and demolish their mosques. Until they are removed, the terror will continue. They’re not fit to live in civilized society.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @streamfortyseven

    "The suitcase or the coffin."

    , @RadicalCenter
    @streamfortyseven

    YES.

  32. Is it too soon to wonder if this drags T. May over the finish line.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The current polls showed her majority increasing by 20 seats. Corbyn's Labour is fully Muslimist now and doomed.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @anon
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The Election was originally about reaffirming Brexit, and May was looking at an 100+ makority, going on the early Polls.
    Since then, Tory campaigning, focused on the lacklustre May, has been poor, and the Polls have tightened.
    Corbyn's response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.
    That's not a bad line, similar to the Ron Paul line, and Labour could form a minority Government by winning another 25 Seats on the strength of it.
    If May cannot respond to the latest events with concrete proposals, rather than pap, she''ll be toast on June 8.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Random Dude on the Internet, @O'Really

  33. Isn’t it interesting how often when these types of attacks happen the secret police tells us that the perpetrators were known jihadist radicals. If the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don’t they do anything to prevent it? Is it simply out of “respecting their rights”, cowardice or something more sinister?

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Hyperborean

    Maybe just a problem of numbers. There might be a lot of suspicious characters, a relatively few of go on to commit terrorism.

    Replies: @David Allan coe

    , @al gore rhythms
    @Hyperborean

    Mark Steyn did a good article on the numbers of the most dangerous 'extremists' the security services are having to monitor at the moment, and the number of Muslims who similar views but have not been deemed quite as dangerous.. It's worth a read if you haven't seen it. Even a few thousand people is more than the security services can properly manage, so there are many Muslims who are not considered a huge, huge threat that just slip through the net in favour of the biggest, most obvious threats. So a lot of these attackers prove to be people who were on the radar but only just.

    , @anon
    @Hyperborean


    f the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don’t they do anything to prevent it?
     
    because we live in a giant media-created lie

    1) the politicians want mass immigration (either because they are bought by the banking mafia to provide cheap labor or because they are idiot SJWs) so for 30 years they have tried to play down the jihadist threat and put pressure on the security services to just keep a lid on it.

    2) jihad is an inherent [part of Islam so there are *tens of thousands* of jihadist suspects - far too many to watch. the only solution would be to deport them all just on suspicion - and not let any more in - but the politicians and media won't allow it

    3) the security services are partly living in the past treating jihadism like previous terror orgs where you watch, infiltrate and disrupt. jihadism is different - it is an integral part of the religion and some small percentage of Muslims will self-radicalize and attack non-Muslims on a consistent and regular basis. it happens everywhere in the world where there is a mixed population.

    tl;dr

    jihadism isn't a terrorist problem it's an immigration problem but the corrupt media-political class won't accept that reality because it undermines the "diversity" narrative

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Hyperborean

    Because there's more of them than there are of "us" able to do anything about it, without being slung in chokey and our kids handed over to "child protection" (see :- Rotherham etc).
    Only about 20k "known to authorities" are even on the radar (out of 2.7 mill. muslims in England; I make that 3/4ths of a percent; the colony has doubled in strength in the last decade alone).
    Coppers facing regular "austerity" measures, and dwindling slowly.

    Enoch will be rotating slowly by now ...

  34. “Run, hide, tell” say the cops.

    Fine.

    When are we going to stop running and hiding and start fighting back and kicking them out?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Patrick in SC

    I bet if you try that you'll find out really quick who the bullets are actually for. Hint: Not for Achmed and Mohammed.

    , @Dutch Boy
    @Patrick in SC

    Run and hide is good advice in a disarmed country like the UK.

  35. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    German police crime blotters go with “men of Southern appearance”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    German police crime blotters go with “men of Southern appearance”.
     
    Those Bavarians are always up to no good.
  36. The Russians must be behind this, because it makes Trump’s case stronger.

    Again.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You joke but this is LITERALLY Louise Mensch right now on Twitter.

    Blue checkmark Twitter is kind of a sight to behold as the left and right journos are dropping pretenses of "my colleague" and ripping into each other. Surprised at some of the sentiments coming from the Bow Tie Conservative crew.

    I guess they realise the Left doesn't have a plan for what they plan to do with a few million imported <80 IQ fanatics who hate them enough to kill them in painful and slow ways. Some of them are even starting to realise why Trump was elected in spite of all their Never Trump shenanigans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  37. Feel uncomfortable about the series of unfortunate vehicular jihad events?

    Keep Calm and Eat Your Soy!

    Lawrence of Tribalia echo-chambers collective fear about real clear & present danger:

    • Replies: @e
    @bored identity

    Does Larry feel that way about Bibi. Bibi believes in walls. Bibi believes in protecting his own. Bibi gets the best deals he can for his own country.

    Larry will never again, evidently, publicly test the diversity and progressive gods.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @bored identity

    The global system he refers to is the System Which Must Not Be Named.

    , @EvolutionistX
    @bored identity

    Clear and present danger to an orderly global system is the entire reason people voted for Trump.

    , @dr kill
    @bored identity

    Hahaha, is Richard Quest still on CNN International? They will cut him up first.

  38. Remember when they pooh -poohed the saying “worse is better”?
    It’s looking like worse really is better!

  39. I’d say Notre Dame in Paris is more “famous”. St Peter’s is more important, in many ways.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    A huge car bomb left by a group of Muslimas, both Arabs and white French Islamic converts, was found before it exploded outside Notre Dame.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Cathedral_bombing_attempt

    My 10 year old recollection is that it had almost no security. But closing Ile de la Cite to private cars seems a likely step.

  40. Anything short of a mass roundup and repatriation of the “usual suspects” will merely be a few more steps in the march towards suicide for the UK.

    Unfortunately, the same type of self destructive half wits who denounced and ignored Enoch Powell are still calling the shots.

  41. Jack Hanson says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    The Russians must be behind this, because it makes Trump's case stronger.

    Again.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    You joke but this is LITERALLY Louise Mensch right now on Twitter.

    Blue checkmark Twitter is kind of a sight to behold as the left and right journos are dropping pretenses of “my colleague” and ripping into each other. Surprised at some of the sentiments coming from the Bow Tie Conservative crew.

    I guess they realise the Left doesn’t have a plan for what they plan to do with a few million imported <80 IQ fanatics who hate them enough to kill them in painful and slow ways. Some of them are even starting to realise why Trump was elected in spite of all their Never Trump shenanigans.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack Hanson


    ...Louise Mensch right now on Twitter.
     
    I just looked at her Twitter. What a deranged lunatic. I have to admit I'd never heard of her, and I don't care to learn any more. If that makes me ignorant, fine. Such people aren't worth paying any attention to.

    Current events are separating the wheat from the chaff.

    The pink revolutionary reaction to our election of Donald Trump, the powers that be freaking out and rolling out their deepest battle plans...

    Our media unleashing perhaps the most obvious propaganda blitz ever seen in America...

    The pathetic response of half our people to barbarians -- and our courts coming down on our executive powers with their unconstitutional iron fist to prevent us from keeping those barbarians outside our gates...

    These things lay bare the evil people, the stupid people, the crazy people. We can see the psychopathic shepherds and their sheep uncovered now.

    Never before has it been so obvious who the useless fools are and who manipulates them.

    Replies: @Lurker

  42. @Perspective
    "It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?"

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn't the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @European-American, @Anon, @anon, @Bill B.

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for…

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Steve Sailer



    Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere

     

    "Paris Syndrome" spreading outside the fastidious Japanese to a wider population?
    , @Seminumerical
    @Steve Sailer

    Still depends where you go. I went to the 5th Arr. after Bataclan. Tiny inexpensive hotel, fantastic food everywhere served by real French waiters. I didn't see a MENA anywhere in nine days except a few sulking on Blvd. Saint Germain and one taking tickets behind the counter at the Louvre.

    I did see four man fire teams patroling with assault rifles, body armour, and paratrooper berets inside the Louvre, and an army truck pulled up on Saint Germain one afternoon and a dozen soldiers jumped out. The officer forbade me to take a photo after I asked politely.

    But then on the plane from there to visit my relatives in Scotland I sat behind a bearded man in a man dress reading Hadiths from a stack of photocopies, and on my way home to Canada I sat beside a woman in a hijab who successfully landed the aircraft by praying loudly besides me as cross winds buffeted us.

    , @bored identity
    @Steve Sailer

    Just imagine how Parisian tourist could have felt yesterday while visiting iconic Trump Tower.

    "Sacrebleu, four thousand miles away, and somehow I feel like I'm stiill at home":

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBRr5SjXcAAFiKt.jpg

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @Steve Sailer

    I've been visiting Paris for decades and you could see it beginning back in the mid 1980s. Ten years ago it was out of control ("no-go zones") in many areas, and by now we'd be at a tipping point even if traitors weren't in power.

    , @bored identity
    @Steve Sailer

    Just imagine how Parisian tourist could have felt yesterday while visiting iconic Trump Tower.

    "Sacrebleu, four thousand miles away, and somehow I feel like I'm stiill at home":

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBRr5SjXcAAFiKt.jpg

  43. MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’…..that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish….

    It’s astonishing, isn’t it, the leftist media’s indefatigable attempts to euphemize away the horrific reality.

  44. @Patrick in SC
    "Run, hide, tell" say the cops.

    Fine.

    When are we going to stop running and hiding and start fighting back and kicking them out?

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Dutch Boy

    I bet if you try that you’ll find out really quick who the bullets are actually for. Hint: Not for Achmed and Mohammed.

    • Agree: lavoisier, Kevin C.
  45. @syonredux

    It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?
     
    Not sure that the Muslims would bomb St Peter's; surely they look forward to the day when they can convert it into a mosque (cf Hagia Sophia in Constantinople/Istanbul)?

    On the other hand, that would still leave the door open to mass shootings.....

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    The enemy is already inside St. Peter’s. Anti-Pope Francis has repeatedly called for more immigrants and “welcoming.” However, none of that will stop the Muslims from bombing it anyway.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Travis
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Agree. Dammit, how do I get an increase in my agree tokens?

  46. I’m attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Yan Shen

    What specific policy of Japan's or SK's should the UK follow? The UK situation on the ground is vastly different than Japan's or Korea's. Your tiresome 'embrace cognitive elitism!' ? Even if that was a good idea, and the UK establishment embraced it, they couldn't pull it off without letting the trash in. And it wouldn't do anything about the existing trash.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Lot
    @Yan Shen

    Sex-selective abortion in Korea has resulted in a huge surplus of men, who are importing poor brides from elsewhere in Asia. The sex ratio imbalance peaked 25-30 years ago at nearly 1.2 to 1, meaning the effect is most acute right now.

    More than a third of marriages in rural South Korea involve foreign women, and these marriages are more fertile than Korean-Korean marriages. By 2020, about one third of children born in Korean will have a non-ethnic-Korean parent.

    http://apjjf.org/-Andrew-Eungi-Kim/3035/article.html

    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.


    South Korea has been importing significant numbers of migrant workers since the early 1990s. As of the end of 2007, registered foreigners totaled 1,066,273, accounting for 2.2 per cent of the total population. The number of foreigners in Korea jumped 2.75 times since 1997 from 386,972. If the current trend continues, the number of foreigners in Korea would reach 1.5 million in 2012, 2.5 million in 2020...

    A large majority of foreigners in Korea have entered the country with work visas and the number of foreigners with work visas, as of May 2008, amounted to more than 700,000. The 2008 total represents an annual increase of nearly 100,000 new arrivals since late 2004, when the figure was 460,000. Most of those who entered Korea with work visas, including more than 200,000 overstaying migrant workers, have been unskilled migrant workers.
     

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Yan Shen

    Europe wants to die. She's successfully implementing her strategy. Stop disturbing her.

    To be more exact, the elite seems to have that as their plan and much of the population appears to largely agree. There's nothing left to say, really. The world wars have killed all of the real men.

    Its really sad.There are tons of effective strategies, but none of them are being implemented. The will is wanting.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @SteveRogers42

    , @Old fogey
    @Yan Shen

    Keeping borders secure and avoiding foreign entanglements were political mainstays just a few years ago. Oh, for the good old days! Isolationism is a great tradition when you have fish to your east and west and no military powers to your north or south.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Yan Shen


    Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.
     
    Yeah, you do sound like a broken record.

    Your East Asianism isn't a solution to anything. We who are Westerners like being Westerners--racially and culturally. I'm no more interested in being East Asian than I am in growing wings and flying.

    And frankly the only thing that East Asians are doing better--at this point--is borders/immigration. (And Korea is fast declining in that department.) I don't see any great solution from East Asians on the other aspects of this--the women problem, smart female fertility, eugenic fertility.

    The West just needs to chuck this mind virus--Jewish minoritarianism/globalism/anti-nationalism. Easier said than done. But if we do do it, then we get to be Westerners again which to us is far, far superior than being some East Asian clone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  47. @RW
    The biggest problem with all these terrorist attacks is that they might get people to thinking that diversity and multiculturalism are not strengths. Then where would we be?

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Random Dude on the Internet

    I agree. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I will brace with my Islamic brethren and sistren (if it's ok with the brethren having them around), fearfully awaiting the backlash much promised, rarely seen.

  48. DONT CAAAAAAARE

    Let them eat Islam. Europe is dying of self-inflicted wounds that they are stuffing with more of the infectious puss.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Yak-15

    Dear fellow, one simply hasn’t lived until one has bellied up to a halal food truck and wolfed a pastry pocket full of hot stuffed infectious puss!

    Saw it on Bourdain.

  49. @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    “They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same.”

    It’s worth a try.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @gcochran

    It certainly is a head-scratcher why elitist Establishment institutions like those are never hit...

    The Bank of England and various pop celebrities' homes seem curiously immune, as well.

  50. @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    correct

    the enemy within is the only real obstacle to eliminating this problem

    a self confident united western civilization such as existed before the 60’s would crush islam(ic extremism) as soon as yesterday if it had the will to do so.

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
    Cicero

    • Agree: European-American
  51. @jesse helms think-alike
    from the daily mail's coverage:

    Police have responded ... telling people 'you must run, hide and tell', Scotland Yard said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html#ixzz4izMqc8PE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86URGgqONvA

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Maiden has more divisions than May.

  52. Get used to this. It’s the new “normal.”

    “We must face the fact: the national institutions of the West are now fiercely protective of Muslims and hostile to the native ancestral populations.” – John Derbyshire

    Until that changes, we face the accelerating onrush of our doom.

  53. @Jimbo in OPKS
    Is it too soon to wonder if this drags T. May over the finish line.

    Replies: @Lot, @anon

    The current polls showed her majority increasing by 20 seats. Corbyn’s Labour is fully Muslimist now and doomed.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Lot

    Really?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569566/Shock-poll-reveals-Tories-lead-just-1.html

    I know that polling, especially election polling, is suspect in the main these days, but the Tories, like our GOP, have the issue to remain in power for the foreseeable future, but neither can't find their asses with both hands.

    Replies: @anon

  54. @anon
    @Anonym

    MENA people vs MENSA people. Sadly, for them, MENA people don't have what it takes to be successful in a MENSA world, so they lash out at society. Also, it doesn't help that MENA people, due to centuries of inbreeding, tend to look 'off'. They're not getting much sex from white women, and that isn't helping matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonym, @Daniel H

    Don’t get cocky, MENSA. It’s your autistic security policies that got us in this mess.

  55. ‘Incident’ rather than ‘attack’ is really catching on for those following the ‘Minimize Islamic Terrorism’ style book.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Let's start calling them massacres.

    Only five people died in the Boston Massacre of 1770, but that event helped start a revolution.

    We need to become more militant in our attitude toward all the bullshit that's been fed to us for too long.

    Tonight's event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Uebersetzer

  56. Lot says:
    @The Only Catholic Unionist
    I'd say Notre Dame in Paris is more "famous". St Peter's is more important, in many ways.

    Replies: @Lot

    A huge car bomb left by a group of Muslimas, both Arabs and white French Islamic converts, was found before it exploded outside Notre Dame.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Cathedral_bombing_attempt

    My 10 year old recollection is that it had almost no security. But closing Ile de la Cite to private cars seems a likely step.

  57. That ” Mediterranean ” description was completely bogus and they know it .

  58. Here’s the question that I’m posing to the liberals on Slate mindlessly parroting standard liberal talking points that they’ve been fed most of their lives.

    “There have been 3 terrorist attacks in the UK in the past 2 months alone. How far back would we have to go in a country like South Korea or Japan to find 3 such terrorist attacks?”

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Yan Shen

    If you add the caveat "not committed by the Norks" you'd do some serious time travel.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Yan Shen

    Japan -- Early 1930's. Political assassinations by Black Dragon Society.

    , @Brutusale
    @Yan Shen

    Other than the funboys from Aum Shinrikyo attacking the Tokyo subway with sarin gas 22 years ago, I've got nothing.

  59. @WR
    You racists!, check Ms. Mensch's twitter if you want to know how enlightened people react after one of these "incidents"

    Louise Mensch‏
    Verified account
     @LouiseMensch 2h
    2 hours ago

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    More
    Let me be plain. The United Kingdom is 100% comfortable being a tolerant diverse nation. Muslim Britons are our friends and neighbors.

    More
    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots. Not now. NOT EVER. #LondonBridge

    Replies: @neutral, @guest, @Regina Phalange, @ben tillman

    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots.

    Do the liberals that follow this women know how deranged she is, conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones might not be everyones cup of tea, but at least he tries to tie his ideas to real world things, she just makes stuff up. Going to @PutinRF there is not a mention of this event, looking at whats there is just standard meetings with other heads of states.

  60. Another London attack. A rock concert cancelled in Germany. YAWN!!! They know what they have do to. It’s what Trump is doing.

    As for pope Frannie, ship him to the Congo or the Philippines.

  61. @Moshe
    I think they like either prominent places or tourist places or jewish places or american places or, if the stars are aligned just right, all four.

    I don't particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish (and I assume there is some diversity there as well) but as you've mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.

    On your suggestion about this general ineptitude I watched The Four Lines about a decade ago and have to watch it again. It was beautiful.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @bomag

    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish

    These appear to be rational acts. Why do you see them as irrational?

    • Replies: @Moshe
    @Opinionator

    Come on. If you are going to premeditated give your life for an attack that you are not commanded to do by your superior officer and that has virtually no chance of survival... wouldn't you want to actually accomplish something instead of just doing the same thing that 50 other guys did before you while accomplishing nothing?

    Replies: @Opinionator

  62. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying “Middle Eastern.”

    • Replies: @anon
    @e

    In the UK, Asian is what they call sub-continentals.

    , @englishmike
    @e

    One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    In general, the British don't use "Asian", as Americans do, to describe East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Malaysians, etc.); it is more a catch-all category comprising Indians and Pakistanis, North Africans and what you call "Middle Eastern". This is probably because our experience had - until the current migrant crisis - mainly been of Indians and Pakistanis because of our links through the former British Empire. Similarly, many (most?) British Chinese came here from Hong Kong rather than the Chinese mainland.

    The witness you quoted may have been evasive, as you imply. But to be fair, he may have had in mind the North African states which border the south of the Mediterranean, especially if it was fresh in his mind that the Manchester bomber was the son of a Libyan family.

    Replies: @e

    , @Bugg
    @e

    King Juan Carlos, Robert DeNiro and John Belushi?

    , @greysquirrell
    @e

    @e
    Quote: One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying “Middle Eastern.”


    They meant Pakistani looking because (in the UK) Asian = from the Subcontinent.

  63. @Yan Shen
    Here's the question that I'm posing to the liberals on Slate mindlessly parroting standard liberal talking points that they've been fed most of their lives.

    "There have been 3 terrorist attacks in the UK in the past 2 months alone. How far back would we have to go in a country like South Korea or Japan to find 3 such terrorist attacks?"

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

    If you add the caveat “not committed by the Norks” you’d do some serious time travel.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jack Hanson

    Were the sarin attacks, nork in origin?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  64. I just hope none of the victims are patriotic Britons who are opposed to the multiculturalization of their country. I hope the Lord spares them as much as possible.

  65. @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere

    “Paris Syndrome” spreading outside the fastidious Japanese to a wider population?

  66. @Yan Shen
    I'm attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Lot, @Daniel Chieh, @Old fogey, @AnotherDad

    What specific policy of Japan’s or SK’s should the UK follow? The UK situation on the ground is vastly different than Japan’s or Korea’s. Your tiresome ’embrace cognitive elitism!’ ? Even if that was a good idea, and the UK establishment embraced it, they couldn’t pull it off without letting the trash in. And it wouldn’t do anything about the existing trash.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Lugash

    According to a June 2005 report by the National Police Agency, Aleph had approximately 1,650 members, of whom 650 lived communally in compounds.[1] The group operated 26 facilities in 17 prefectures, and about 120 residential facilities. An article in the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper on 11 September 2002 showed that the Japanese public still distrusts Aleph, and compounds are usually surrounded by protest banners from local residents.
    There have been numerous cases where local authorities have refused to accept resident registration for cult members when it is discovered that Aleph has set up a facility within their jurisdiction. This effectively denies cult members social benefits such as health insurance; five cases have been taken to court by cult members, who won every time. Local communities also try to drive the cult away by preventing cultists from finding jobs, or keeping cult children out of schools. Right-wing groups frequently conduct protest marches near apartments rented by Aum followers by blaring extremely loud music through loudspeakers installed on minivans.
    --part of the Wikipedia entry on the splinter groups of Aum Shinrikyo, perpetrators of the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway.

    In other words, a non-atomized society is pretty harsh to violent outliers.

  67. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    The euros’ stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @carol

    "The euros’ stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded"

    No, these are true believers. They are not terrified, they are deluded.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @anon
    @carol


    Speaking out now could get you beheaded
     
    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo - they are more scared of other people thinking they are "racist" aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @The Last Real Calvinist

  68. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    The French Riviera is on the Mediterranean . . . maybe that’s what the “authorities” meant
    SMH

  69. Europeans are behaving like the guy in that Woody Allen story who fell from the opera balcony, and did it again a couple of times on purpose, just so people would think he was being original rather than clumsy.

  70. It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    My nineteen-year-old kid is in London right now, visiting a friend and was out on the town Saturday night GMT. She texted me three hours ago, was about half-a-mile away from the incident, and said the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I’m happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @PiltdownMan

    the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I’m happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.


    Stern stuff, eh? What are any of these people doing to resist being displaced from their homelands?

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @fnn
    @PiltdownMan

    The Blitz wasn't all heroism and stiff upper lip:
    https://www.unz.com/acockburn/2014/08/


    Gavin Mortimer, author of The Blitz, had an amusing piece in the First Post about the conduct of Britons at the time of their Finest Hour:

    “It didn’t take long for a hardcore of opportunists to realise there were rich pickings available in the immediate aftermath of a raid – and the looting wasn’t limited to civilians.

    “In October 1940 Winston Churchill ordered the arrest and conviction of six London firemen caught looting from a burned-out shop to be hushed up by Herbert Morrison, his Home Secretary. The Prime Minister feared that if the story was made public it would further dishearten Londoners struggling to cope with the daily bombardments…

    “The looting was often carried out by gangs of children organized by a Fagin figure; he would send them into bombed-out houses the morning after a raid with orders to target coins from gas meters and display cases containing First World War medals. In April 1941 Lambeth juvenile court dealt with 42 children in one day, from teenage girls caught stripping clothes from dead bodies to a seven-year-old boy who had stolen five shillings from the gas meter of a damaged house. In total, juvenile crime accounted for 48 per cent of all arrests in the nine months between September 1940 and May 1941 and there were 4,584 cases of looting.

    “Joan Veazey, whose husband was a vicar in Kennington, south London, wrote in her diary after one raid in 1940: “The most sickening thing was to see people like vultures, picking up things and taking them away. I didn’t like to feel that English people would do this, but they did.”

    “Perhaps the most shameful episode of the whole Blitz occurred on the evening of March 8 1941 when the Cafe de Paris in Piccadilly was hit by a German bomb. The cafe was one of the most glamorous night spots in London, the venue for off-duty officers to bring their wives and girlfriends, and within minutes of its destruction the looters moved in.

    “Some of the looters in the Cafe de Paris cut off the people’s fingers to get the rings,” recalled Ballard Berkeley, a policeman during the Blitz who later found fame as the ‘Major’ in Fawlty Towers. Even the wounded in the Cafe de Paris were robbed of their jewellery amid the confusion and carnage.”
     

    Replies: @Uebersetzer

  71. I’m rooting for the Muslims. They want it more.

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @Moshe
    @The Z Blog

    Yes!

    , @Yak-15
    @The Z Blog

    I literally thought the exact same thing. Why am I on a side which fails to care to even fight back?

    , @rw95
    @The Z Blog

    Honestly, at this point so am I.

  72. @Anonymous
    Europe has voted for suicide. The population had its spirit beaten down by vicious anti-White "elites".

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon

    The population had a chance to stop the madness in France and they elected the traitorous bastard Macron. The people who choose to be manipulated by their hostile elites deserve the hells they have brought on themselves.

    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @lavoisier


    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?
     
    Increasingly, it's looking like the answer is "never". Or, if not that, then "when he's already hopelessly outnumbered and overrun".
    , @Parbes
    @lavoisier

    Oh but the Anglo-Saxons DO hate - they hate Russians, Chinese, Eastern Europeans, secular pro-Assad Syrians etc., with an understated passion... Just as programmed by their mind-controllers.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @lavoisier




    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?
     
    The strong, fit, able bodied were rounded up and used as cannon fodder in the last two world wars. Just as Napoleon devastated the French gene pool, so did the rest of Europe in the world wars. All the cowards who didn't enlist got the girls, and we now have their descendants. Europeans should have set their sights on foreign continents rather than Europe.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

  73. If there’s only any existing surveillance technology, or some other method, to help Our governments to distinguish Vehicular Blade Running Mediterraneans and other Sharia Lawn Mowing Types from the rest of population:

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  74. The eiffel tower is the most famous place in europe, not st. peters.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @kyle

    "The eiffel tower is the most famous place in europe, not st. peters"

    That's probably true, and quite an achievement in a continent with so many important, beautiful and historic buildings. I wonder why it would be the Eiffel Tower, rather than St Paul's, St Peter's, the Parthenon?

    It certainly has a shape which means it couldn't be mistaken for anything else.

  75. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    The UK will never change its foreign policy and immigration policy. They’ll probably use it to push even more intrusive laws on their citizenry which won’t solve the problem. We know through Patrick Cockburn that the UK has aided Libyan terrorist living inside the UK and was well aware of the concept of blowback. If people want change then they need to demand the heads of the people who have aided these people inside the UK government.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    @Johnny F. Ive

    Precisely! Finally an intelligent comment on this thread.

  76. @George
    terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” - London Mayor Sidiq Kahn the last time this happened.

    UK General Election 6/8 or is it 8/6.

    Searching for 3 men with 12 inch blades.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  77. When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Greasy William

    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    WTF are you talking about? Do you even read this site? Most of the people here want a halt or severe curtailing of all immigration, legal and illegal.

    , @anon
    @Greasy William

    "you guys are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non-Muslims."

    No. Mass immigration is NOT "fine" at all. And immigration of Muslims is the absolute worst of all.

    , @guest
    @Greasy William

    "We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more"

    Which you're hoping leads to what? Ethnic cleansing?

    "Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be"

    Okay, then Muslims kill and/or push out the globalists, and America is preserved. As a Muslim nation? Is that the plan?

    , @unpc downunder
    @Greasy William

    These Muslim terrorists are pushing their own form of globalism - a global Islamic caliphate. It's a war between two globalisms, and were stuck in the Middle, like Poland in WWII.

    , @Pericles
    @Greasy William

    You're that crazy Jew who fancies himself a political analyst, aren't you. Go hit on Louise Mensch, you'd make a perfect couple.

    , @Hyperborean
    @Greasy William

    I'm not so convinced that Muslim immigrants in Europe are that much of a threat to "Globalism" as you think. Most Muslims who I've encountered in Europe tend to be rather Western in their mindset. It might be "halal-certified globalism" but it is still "globalism", and it is even more prevalent in "youths" who sing expletive-filled rap songs and pretend to be black Americans living in urban ghettos and women who pretend to be "Islamic virgins" simply because they wear a hijab even though their heavy makeup and tight clothing that leaves little to the imagination makes one think of courtesans. At least their parents behave in a comparatively decent manner (once you factor out their on-average lower IQ and higher societal dysfunctionality). But from judging the quality of people who will grow up to be "Europe's future Muslims" I think "Globalism" will handle this great Völkerwanderung of the southern peoples just fine.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @MBlanc46
    @Greasy William

    There is no such implication whatever.

  78. Anonymous [AKA "Sean Spicer"] says:

    Based on celebrity photos, holocaust centers seem to be the most popular spots nowadays.

  79. No matter how bad the Irish Republican Army was, their past terror attacks do not suggest that admitting tens of thousands of Muslims into the U.K. is a good idea.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

  80. @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    True. The bogeyman we face is always portrayed as the Muslim fanatic, as if we were powerless to defeat these primitive monsters.

    We could mop up these primitives in a fortnight–nothing too violent–just deport the lot of them back to their ancestral kingdoms, were it not for the bloody fool liberal goodwhites who always stand in the way of doing what is reasonable to save one’s civilization.

    They are the true enemy of Western Civilization, and they must be defeated if we have any hope to survive.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  81. In the U.S., you’d think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/871162622720307200

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Could be something to do with May having been blasé about police cuts (police states are a good thing now that they hide the true violence of diversity from the public) and Corbyn getting his trendy talking points together: that we destabilized the Middle East, letting jihadism flourish there, which has blown back on us, because "British" Muslims have no agency and must join every jihadist movement that pops up wherever it pops up, and we couldn't possibly stop letting them in in the first place.

    , @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    Am I missing something here?

    Corbyn now up to 19% to be PM on June 30. Current polls show Tories expect to pad on another net 40 seats on top of their current ~100 seat lead over Labour. Polls routinely understate Tory support. In the very unlikely event of no Tory majority, the minor parties hate Corbyn and would coalition only with their own PM or a non-Corbyn from either major party.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @anon

    , @jesse helms think-alike
    @Dave Pinsen


    n the U.S., you’d think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
     
    Unfortunately lady Conservatives just like lady Republicans in the US have absorbed the "compassionate conservative" ideal. Their goals are indistinguishable from those of the Left but they fight to achieve those goals a bit more slowly, with some empty talk of fiscal responsibility and tax cuts thrown in to fool the rubes.

    Look at Elizabeth Dole who converted Jesse Helms' safe senate seat to Dem in just one term.
    Look at Nimrata Haley who as SC governor rushed to tear down any confederate flag within reach before the left even had a chance to bus in BLM rent-a-mobs.

    Marine LePen, the last rightwing hope for France was a similar disappointment, disavowing membership in her own party before the election in order to curry favor with people who hate her.

    Why would May, a dim non-entity who backed into the Prime Ministership through no skill or talent of her own be any different? talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

    Replies: @whorefinder

    , @anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    it ought to be anti-incumbency as modern "conservatives" aren't - they're whores for the cheap labor lobby and just as bad on immigration as SJWs

    the big problem is trust - too many people just can't get their head around the fact the entire media-political class is betraying them

  82. @RW
    The biggest problem with all these terrorist attacks is that they might get people to thinking that diversity and multiculturalism are not strengths. Then where would we be?

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Random Dude on the Internet

    Rest assured that as we speak Scotland Yard has their priorities in order by combing through social media to arrest anyone making mean tweets regarding this event.

  83. I hope no one in the UK takes advantage of this tragedy to post naughty things on social media while the police are temporarily otherwise occupied.

    • Replies: @a reader
    @eah

    Regrettably, a German lady failed to heed your advice and forwarded a hateful joke about refugees on her Facebook account.

    The case was quickly dealt with.

    , @a reader
    @eah

    Too late!

    The islamophobic plague spreads all over Europe, it seems.

    Replies: @eah

  84. I wonder when someone in the public eye is going to compare the snowflake response from the Metropolitan Police of London (Run! Hide! Tell!) to the way things were done back in the day in both Scotland and England/Wales…

    Compulsory weapons practice so ordinary people could deal confidently with potential threats to the common weal.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Cortes

    Well, at least the Bobbies are practicing what they preach:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/london-citizens-throw-chairs-terrorists-unarmed-police-ran-away/

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Cortes

    Like this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2KLuAH4GY
    one of the incentives offered in ye olden dayes was at least a quart of free ale after. Got beaten out as a village pastime by cricket (allows more ale), and the accursed leathren sphere (allows more fighting).

  85. Steve,
    How do you make it through the day with so many topics? You must feel like Cassandra at times, trying to warn people and not getting enough to recognize what is so evident.
    Respectfully ,
    Ivy

  86. I’m uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn’t quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it’s a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn’t that different from many of the “multicultural” Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    , @Lugash
    @Yan Shen


    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?
     
    What specific things would PM LKY do to improve the UK? Closing down radical mosques, stopping immigration and deporting illegals? As PM he might get the last one done. What would he do to integrate the 15% of the population that is foreign born? The 5% Muslim population? The black population? More prosaic, what would he do to reduce housing prices and improve the NHS? I know, import a million Chinese cognitive elites!

    You're too enamored with LKY and your co-ethnics. I'm not sure if it's blinding you to the real world impossibilities of your ideas, or if you're just oblivious to the real world in general.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @Yan Shen

    I lived and worked in Singapore for a year. They have effectively zero immigration. The country is Chinese-led and they allow opportunity and tolerance for the Malays (muzzies) and Tamil (Indian dot) ethnic groups; but those groups also know who rules the roost.

    The Singapore gov't would have zero compunction about razing a mosque and jailing forever anyone who was plotting a terrorist attack, and that is common knowledge. They don't do Chinese guilt and they run the country to make it work for everyone.

    It ain't perfect, I was happy to leave, but they don't put up with stuff like this. The gov't sits on a lot of things and runs a very tight ship, which makes the place culturally and socially sterile (IMO), but there ain't going to be any muzzie 'terror' there. Women also can walk the streets alone at night, etc.

    A student-led protest @ the National University would last about 3 minutes until the cops showed up with pepper spray, mace, truncheons, and the paddy wagon. Singapore is a tiny place and there ain't nowhere to hide.

    Replies: @Numinous

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Yan Shen

    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population, nor is it admitting such. Might this be relevant in helping to explain how Singapore "made it work" while Europe has not?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Yan Shen

    "...descended from the heavens." I think we need someone who has Ascended,muhself.

    , @RW
    @Yan Shen

    You're right Yan Shen. "and in Britain [Lee Kuan Yew] had campaigned for the Labour Party. But for him ideology always took second place to a pragmatic appreciation of how power works. In later life he would rail against the welfare state as the root of Britain’s malaise"

  87. @Anonymous
    First mural at Eiffel Tower

    http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/14482313_1765106777112128_4467960250741293056_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM1MDE1NjIwNTA2MjE5Nzc3NA%3D%3D.2

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    First mural at Eiffel Tower

    More about the artist:

    Paris Mural Artist Depicts Whites Getting Murdered, Raped, and Enslaved
    … The mural depicts white and black figures intertwined, in the middle a black male figure looks like he’s having sex with a white female figure. Many of people have pointed out the shape of the figures makes a six pointed star, or the “star of David”. … The artist Cleon Peterson named his mural, “The Endless Sleep“
    [more works by the same artist shown]

    ———–

    Cleon Peterson’s Dystopian (Anti-White?) Future
    vast majority of his paintings depict black figures attacking and eviscerating white figures … the blacks standing over the soon-to-be white victims are meting out justice … In many of the paintings the black figures assaulting whites are in uniform — they have the power. … I haven’t found any where the black figures are being victimized by the white figures … But a very large percentage of his output clearly depicts white figures being victimized by black figures. The black figures are always depicted as male, but the white victims are often females … They are dressed alike in any given picture, either in police uniforms or nearly naked in what looks like underwear or a tight bathing suit. … Mr. Peterson would likely never claim to be depicting a dystopian future where non-Whites have power and use it to mercilessly attack Whites.
    [more works by the same artist shown]

    The same artist has his murder/rapist figures holding spears on the sail of Edmond De Rothschild’s new sailboat.

    Maxi Edmond De Rothschild unveiled
    …On Thursday, March 30th, the Gitana Team invited the press to the Palais de Tokyo to mark the official launch of Maxi Edmond de Rothschild, a “giant” 32 metres long by 23 metres wide

  88. You have to wonder if the people are going to start questioning the legitimacy of a government who takes 60%+ of your earnings in various forms of taxes but refuses to protect you when you need them the most. Prior to the immivasion, Europeans were gouged on taxes but at least the government would take care of you. Now they just take your taxes and look away when your family gets blown up, raped, trafficked, etc. I suspect it is an age issue: older Europeans still ascribe legitimacy to the government but younger people are in an era where the government is more of your enemy than your friend. Le Pen did well among young voters. Europe will change course if these young people have anything to do about it but it might be too late when they start getting more power and change course.

    • Agree: German_reader
  89. @anon
    @Anonym

    MENA people vs MENSA people. Sadly, for them, MENA people don't have what it takes to be successful in a MENSA world, so they lash out at society. Also, it doesn't help that MENA people, due to centuries of inbreeding, tend to look 'off'. They're not getting much sex from white women, and that isn't helping matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonym, @Daniel H

    They don’t generally have what it takes to get a conventional job around the median income. The definition of success is different. They are successful at getting income from welfare, crime and grooming white girls. They are successful at creating no-go zones for police. Their incipient attempts at colonizing appear successful.

    However, once whites are pushed into a condition of war economy and war propaganda “the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim” etc. the organizational strengths, intelligence and dedication of whites will be a force to be reckoned with. I suspect within a generation we will be at that point.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonym


    However, once whites are pushed into a...
     
    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    If a people are so pathologically altruistic, or so easily fooled, that looks to be fatal flaw that an angry push back won't overcome.

    Replies: @Anonym

  90. Time to start mocking these Euros for their cowardice.
    After all, wouldn’t you start mocking a man who’s wife has affair after affair and he doesn’t have balls enough to divorce her?
    Same thing.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Cool Shoes



    wouldn’t you start mocking a man who’s wife has affair after affair and he doesn’t have balls enough to divorce her?

     

    But what if before, a few years ago when he tried to divorce her and you went to his house and beat him to a pulp and burned his house down and said "if you ever try to divorce her again, I will come back and do it again." In addition, every day you say he must write on a provided chalkboard an apology for trying to divorce her. Then you start writing books every year about the divorce attempt and make him buy and read them. Then you hire a secrity guard to live in his house to keep an eye on things. If he shows any sings of disrepect to his wife, the guard will make him spend a day in the doghouse to keep him in line. Then you mock him.
    , @SteveRogers42
    @Cool Shoes

    Gotcha covered:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKpHtc9F9M

  91. Nothing will change. Flowers, vigils, Facebook profile changes, rinse and repeat.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @aceofspades

    UNICEF ‘World Version’ of John Lennon’s IMAGINE (feat. Shakira, Katy Perry, David Guetta, will.i.am, Neymar Jr., Priyanka Chopra, Idris Elba and thousands more)

  92. Lot says:
    @Yan Shen
    I'm attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Lot, @Daniel Chieh, @Old fogey, @AnotherDad

    Sex-selective abortion in Korea has resulted in a huge surplus of men, who are importing poor brides from elsewhere in Asia. The sex ratio imbalance peaked 25-30 years ago at nearly 1.2 to 1, meaning the effect is most acute right now.

    More than a third of marriages in rural South Korea involve foreign women, and these marriages are more fertile than Korean-Korean marriages. By 2020, about one third of children born in Korean will have a non-ethnic-Korean parent.

    http://apjjf.org/-Andrew-Eungi-Kim/3035/article.html

    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.

    South Korea has been importing significant numbers of migrant workers since the early 1990s. As of the end of 2007, registered foreigners totaled 1,066,273, accounting for 2.2 per cent of the total population. The number of foreigners in Korea jumped 2.75 times since 1997 from 386,972. If the current trend continues, the number of foreigners in Korea would reach 1.5 million in 2012, 2.5 million in 2020…

    A large majority of foreigners in Korea have entered the country with work visas and the number of foreigners with work visas, as of May 2008, amounted to more than 700,000. The 2008 total represents an annual increase of nearly 100,000 new arrivals since late 2004, when the figure was 460,000. Most of those who entered Korea with work visas, including more than 200,000 overstaying migrant workers, have been unskilled migrant workers.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Lot


    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.
     
    While the number of foreign workers is increasing, the principal route towards permanent residence appears to be marriage to a Korean citizen, and there's no mention of either chain migration or routine annual immigration quotas (permanent residence permits leading to citizenship):

    Despite all the indications that the country is rapidly becoming a multicultural society, the Korean government still insists on almost zero-immigration. In contrast to such “immigration countries” as the United States, Canada, and Australia that have extended citizenship to many new residents and encouraged their integration and assimilation, Korea remains a “non-immigration” country, much like Japan and many Western European countries, its policy objectives centering on controlling inflows, restricting long-term stays, discouraging permanent residence and limiting citizenship.
     

    Replies: @Lot

  93. @Perspective
    "It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?"

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn't the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @European-American, @Anon, @anon, @Bill B.

    Why doesn’t the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    The problem is it’s like a virus with a very long delay. Sure, if you go to the wrong place or look at the wrong thing or think the wrong thought, the demographics are alarming. But if you watch French TV, entertainment, politics, etc. the people you see are all white. So why be alarmed? Nothing is changing at all when you watch TV.

    It’s pretty hilarious, really. The usual white people endlessly discussing among themselves the problems of racism, the banlieue, and so on.

    Yeah the tourist industry may be among the first aware there’s a problem… But it’s hard to convince people and change things when the problem is invisible.

  94. @Jack Hanson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You joke but this is LITERALLY Louise Mensch right now on Twitter.

    Blue checkmark Twitter is kind of a sight to behold as the left and right journos are dropping pretenses of "my colleague" and ripping into each other. Surprised at some of the sentiments coming from the Bow Tie Conservative crew.

    I guess they realise the Left doesn't have a plan for what they plan to do with a few million imported <80 IQ fanatics who hate them enough to kill them in painful and slow ways. Some of them are even starting to realise why Trump was elected in spite of all their Never Trump shenanigans.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    …Louise Mensch right now on Twitter.

    I just looked at her Twitter. What a deranged lunatic. I have to admit I’d never heard of her, and I don’t care to learn any more. If that makes me ignorant, fine. Such people aren’t worth paying any attention to.

    Current events are separating the wheat from the chaff.

    The pink revolutionary reaction to our election of Donald Trump, the powers that be freaking out and rolling out their deepest battle plans…

    Our media unleashing perhaps the most obvious propaganda blitz ever seen in America…

    The pathetic response of half our people to barbarians — and our courts coming down on our executive powers with their unconstitutional iron fist to prevent us from keeping those barbarians outside our gates…

    These things lay bare the evil people, the stupid people, the crazy people. We can see the psychopathic shepherds and their sheep uncovered now.

    Never before has it been so obvious who the useless fools are and who manipulates them.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Note - Louise Mensch is a 'conservative'. Even more staggeringly was a Conservative MP.

    Insanity.

    She's blocked me on Twitter I think.

  95. Remember all those people telling us that we have to admit hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants or they’ll only wan to kill us more?

    Well London elected a @$!#&^* Muslim mayor yet the number of terrorist attacks has only increased.

    Gratitude only goes so far, and the people who are coming to take over your country feel absolutely no gratitude at all.

  96. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @RW

    I agree. As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt

    I will brace with my Islamic brethren and sistren (if it’s ok with the brethren having them around), fearfully awaiting the backlash much promised, rarely seen.

  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    In the U.S., you'd think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/871162622720307200

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lot, @jesse helms think-alike, @anon

    Could be something to do with May having been blasé about police cuts (police states are a good thing now that they hide the true violence of diversity from the public) and Corbyn getting his trendy talking points together: that we destabilized the Middle East, letting jihadism flourish there, which has blown back on us, because “British” Muslims have no agency and must join every jihadist movement that pops up wherever it pops up, and we couldn’t possibly stop letting them in in the first place.

  98. What have the Tories under Theresa May done to slow Muslim immigration and reduce their abuse of the welfare system?

  99. At some point if the government doesn’t start defending the interests of native Britons and start reducing levels of Muslim immigration the people will start to take matters into their own hands. It may not be happening as soon as you’d think it would, but it’s not a matter of if, but when. Rotherham, Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, the tube bombings…A limit will be reached.

    • Replies: @Dave
    @Wilkey

    Respectfully disagree. The vast majority of the white British population appears to be incapable of self defense. I live in NYC, and I've socialized with several Brits, and after you've softened them up with booze and the defenses fall they will admit that " England is lost " and the England of their youth is gone forever, but there is literally no will to resist in any way. They've just collectively given up. Resistance would make them " bad people ". And nobody wants to be seen by their fellows as a bad person.

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymouse, @ben tillman

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Wilkey

    The Euros are unarmed. Work-arounds are possible:

    http://www.europeancivilwar.com/german-self-defense-website-works-to-help-citizens-arm-protect-themselves/

    , @Frau Katze
    @Wilkey


    A limit will be reached.
     
    Not necessarily. As long the police cooperate with the govt, nothing changes.

    Locking people up for insulting Muslims shows that the police are happy with things as they are.
    , @lavoisier
    @Wilkey

    The limit for a sane population should have been reached some time ago.

    Too many forces at work to prevent the smart and the courageous from doing what is necessary to save their country. The major negative force being brain dead white liberals. Simply too many of these sanctimonious fools alive today and in positions of power.

    However, should economic calamity befall the nation, and people start to go hungry, the equation could change rapidly as even a brain dead white liberal who is hungry might begin to question some things. Liberals are invariably hypocrites and fools, but they don't suffer real injuries with equanimity.

    Replies: @anon

  100. @WR
    You racists!, check Ms. Mensch's twitter if you want to know how enlightened people react after one of these "incidents"

    Louise Mensch‏
    Verified account
     @LouiseMensch 2h
    2 hours ago

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    More
    Let me be plain. The United Kingdom is 100% comfortable being a tolerant diverse nation. Muslim Britons are our friends and neighbors.

    More
    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots. Not now. NOT EVER. #LondonBridge

    Replies: @neutral, @guest, @Regina Phalange, @ben tillman

    Why in the name of Cosmic Pete did it take her three tweets to mention Russia? She’s slipping.

  101. @J1234
    St. Peters had pretty stout security last year. It took maybe forty minutes to work through the check points. Suicide bombers would find it hard, I would guess. There were bag checks (and metal detectors, as I recall.) There would be other ways to carry out a terrorist act, however, and not much could be done about it.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Dutch Boy

    Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @anonymous

    >>Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Well, let's just add another 2 feet to the wall, and on and on if necessary.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    , @anon
    @anonymous

    Right. Walls don't work. That's why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian's wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Peter Akuleyev, @Buck Turgidson

    , @englishmike
    @anonymous

    Walls don’t work.

    And his holiness Pope Francis believes in building bridges, not walls.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

    , @EvolutionistX
    @anonymous

    That's why you put electric wire on the top.

    , @Hyperborean
    @anonymous

    "Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder."

    Which why you have a guy standing on top of the wall with a rifle making sure the people on the other side don't get ideas.

    But in all seriousness, if migrants knew that climbing over that wall wouldn't ensure an automatic ticket to paradise they would be less likely to do it. Just look at all the "literally Hitler" hyperventilation there was from our moral betters over Denmark requiring asylum seekers to sell their valuable assets to pay for the expense of housing them or Hungary deciding to put migrants in "container camps" instead of "suitable" facilities to deter migrants.

    , @anon
    @anonymous

    militarily speaking obstacles aren't meant to stop people - they're meant to slow them down which gives you time to shoot them

    , @J1234
    @anonymous


    Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.
     
    And that's why there was armed law enforcement at the checkpoints at St. Peters. But yes, terrorists could compromise these defenses in ways I'd rather not state publicly (though it wouldn't take a genius to figure it out.)

    Nevertheless, a wall or fence is an essential part of any security system, which is why all military bases, prisons and nuclear power facilities have them. The idea that they aren't necessary because they aren't an all encompassing approach to security is ridiculous.
  102. @Yan Shen
    I'm uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn't quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it's a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it's basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn't that different from many of the "multicultural" Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Lugash, @Buck Turgidson, @RadicalCenter, @Father O'Hara, @RW

    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.

    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew’s views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    @PiltdownMan

    Meant to say for most of its recent history. According to Wikipedia since at least 1970 it's basically been about 75/25 Chinese to non-Chinese.

    The interesting thing about LKY is that in some sense he really represents the best of all possible worlds! Even Francis Fukuyama, the patron saint of the End of History and the triumph of democracy and liberalism, conceded that in theory an authoritarian regime ruled by a benevolent dictator was in fact superior to the kind of society he viewed as being the end point of mankind's historical evolution. And LKY was one of the few instances in history of someone who might rightfully be labelled as a benevolent dictator.

    I hope people will understand why the uh wise amongst us might more often than not pine for LKY the Second Coming to return to this earthly realm and dispense some sense and discipline upon the lost and wayward masses...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @Numinous
    @PiltdownMan


    In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII.
     
    I didn't know the demographics of Singapore changed so much recently, so thanks for the info. As for Indian participation in WWII, we should keep in mind that the Japanese, while being very hostile to the Chinese, advertised themselves as well-wishers of Indians (whether or not they were sincere is a different question.) They wanted the Indians on their side, at least for a while, to stir up trouble in India against British rule, and possibly even help the Japanese "liberate" India (and then fall into the Japanese lap, I guess.) The Japanese let the Indian nationalist leader, Subhash Chanbdra Bose land in Singapore and recruit an army from among the Indian POWs. Given that many of these POWs had seen their British officers surrender pusillanimously to the Japanese, they were completely disillusioned about the superiority of the British, and many of them enthusiastically flocked to Bose's Indian National Army (which helped the Japanese invade eastern India, but eventually lost and was disbanded.)

    I wonder if these events increased antagonism the local Chinese (including LKY) felt for the local Indians, because the former were most definitely oppressed by the Japanese. Do you have any info on this?
    , @Numinous
    @PiltdownMan


    Lee Kuan Yew’s views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material.
     
    Do you have any citations for this? If LKY thought so, presumably he thought Chinese made better CEOs than Indians? The stereotype seems to have been reversed in the US though; many Fortune 500 companies have Indian CEOs, many more so than East Asians.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @Bill B.
    @PiltdownMan

    Singapore was majority Indian after the war?

    Balderdash!


    The census of 1947 recorded a population of 940,824 comprising 75.2 percent Chinese, 12.9 percent Malay, 7.7 percent Indians, 1.3 percent Eurasians, and 2.9 percent Europeans and other communities.[17]
     
    http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/97c37d90-b4f7-4d9b-8306-6fb2c4476c59#17
    , @AnonJT
    @PiltdownMan


    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest.
     
    Nope. That's not true at all. You can check out Singapore's demographic history here ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore

    From the article itself...

    By 1821, the population was estimated to have increased to 4,724 Malays and 1,150 Chinese.[35] In the first census of 1824, 6,505 out of the 10,683 total were Malays and Bugis, constituting over 60% of the population. Large number of Chinese migrants started to enter Singapore just months after it became a British settlement, and they were predominantly male. In 1826, official census figures give a total population of 13,750, with 6,088 Chinese, 4,790 Malays, 1,242 Bugis, 1,021 Indians from Bengal (244) and the Coromandel Coast (777), smaller number of Javanese (267), Europeans (87) and other peoples.[19] The population total of Singapore increased to 16,000 in 1829, 26,000 five years later. By 1836, the Chinese at 13,749 had become the most populous ethnic group, overtaking the broad Malay grouping (12,538, including other groups such as the Bugis, Javanese, and Balinese).[37] By the beginning of 1850, the population had reached 60,000, 24,790 of them Chinese.
     
    If you look at the charts provided, you'll see that at no point in its history do Indians surpass the Malay and Chinese populations. The article provides citations for reference.
  103. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    Sardinian separatists.

  104. Just wait for the men ‘of Mediterranean origin’ to get themselves behind the whirling blades of this newToyota:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4568766/Toyota-test-drives-flying-CAR.html

    Flying carpet bombing waiting to happen.

  105. @Jamie_NYC
    Well, judging from the comments at this and some other web sites, the fears of a backlash that will follow this terror attack, that the muslim community expressed last week, were fully justified!

    The only way I see to improve the situation is to somehow achieve an increase in frequency of these attacks, so that the authorities can make statistical predictions: "For this weekend, we forecast between seven and ten mass stabbings and three to five bombings, with total body count in the low eighties. Have a safe and pleasant weekend!"

    Replies: @Alden

    Like the weather report.

  106. Anonymous [AKA "Anonymous8897"] says:

    OT: America’s food supply is once again in jeopardy.

    http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farm-labor-guestworkers/

  107. @aceofspades
    Nothing will change. Flowers, vigils, Facebook profile changes, rinse and repeat.

    Replies: @anonymous

    UNICEF ‘World Version’ of John Lennon’s IMAGINE (feat. Shakira, Katy Perry, David Guetta, will.i.am, Neymar Jr., Priyanka Chopra, Idris Elba and thousands more)

  108. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    In the U.S., you'd think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/871162622720307200

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lot, @jesse helms think-alike, @anon

    Am I missing something here?

    Corbyn now up to 19% to be PM on June 30. Current polls show Tories expect to pad on another net 40 seats on top of their current ~100 seat lead over Labour. Polls routinely understate Tory support. In the very unlikely event of no Tory majority, the minor parties hate Corbyn and would coalition only with their own PM or a non-Corbyn from either major party.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    My money's on the 360-369 Conservative seats contract, at an average cost of 15 cents, but as of a couple of days ago, the 390+ contract was the highest priced one. Now it's the 329 or fewer contract.

    I don't think Brits are legally allowed to use PredictIt though, so not sure how accurate this market is.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @anon
    @Lot

    That's not quite right.
    While the Tories do have 101 more MPs than Labour, their majority in the House of Commons is only 17. A loss of 9 Seats could lose them Government.
    None of the other Parties have repudiated Labour, and all of them have left their options open regarding Corbyn.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/

    Replies: @Lot

    , @anon
    @Lot


    Am I missing something here?
     
    The UK welfare state is crumbling because of mass immigration of cheap labor.

    The conservatives don't care because the people who bribe them benefit from the cheap labor and don't use the welfare state.

    However they briefly let it show they don't care and (if the polls are accurate?????) it's hurting them.

    SJWs care about the welfare state (partly because most of them work in it) but are too innumerate to understand that mass immigration is causing the problem - but so are most of the voters so Corbyn is currently benefiting.

    Also the Cons don't get much benefit from security / immigration issues nowadays because they want open borders as much as SJWs do (for cheap labor whereas SJWs want it for the votes).

    (also the conservatives want to privatize the police so have been reducing police numbers which is hurting them now as well)

  109. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimbo in OPKS
    Is it too soon to wonder if this drags T. May over the finish line.

    Replies: @Lot, @anon

    The Election was originally about reaffirming Brexit, and May was looking at an 100+ makority, going on the early Polls.
    Since then, Tory campaigning, focused on the lacklustre May, has been poor, and the Polls have tightened.
    Corbyn’s response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.
    That’s not a bad line, similar to the Ron Paul line, and Labour could form a minority Government by winning another 25 Seats on the strength of it.
    If May cannot respond to the latest events with concrete proposals, rather than pap, she”ll be toast on June 8.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @anon

    Corbyn’s response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.

    He's right of course.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bill B.

    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    , @O'Really
    @anon

    It had better be more than just proposals. If she doesn't take real action in the next 48 hours, I suspect a few million core Conservative/Brexiteer voters would just sit home, and hand the election to Corbyn. (they won't be convinced to vote for the Islamicized Labour Party, but they won't need to)

    Replies: @anon

  110. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    WTF are you talking about? Do you even read this site? Most of the people here want a halt or severe curtailing of all immigration, legal and illegal.

  111. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'Incident' rather than 'attack' is really catching on for those following the 'Minimize Islamic Terrorism' style book.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Let’s start calling them massacres.

    Only five people died in the Boston Massacre of 1770, but that event helped start a revolution.

    We need to become more militant in our attitude toward all the bullshit that’s been fed to us for too long.

    Tonight’s event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Buzz Mohawk, @Clyde

    , @Uebersetzer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That, and a few other things.
    One of the dead was from Ireland and was not killed outright. He actually issued a statement before he died exonerating the soldiers. He said in his native Ireland British troops opened fire on crowds with far less provocation than they had received in Boston.

    Replies: @whorefinder

  112. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871143765473406976

    Trump’s tweet: “We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!”

    Good for him. It’s about time he started pulling the Obama/global warming/ hate-whitey tactics: using a recent event to push forward the agenda. It works.

    Punch back twice as hard.

  113. @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    Meant to say for most of its recent history. According to Wikipedia since at least 1970 it’s basically been about 75/25 Chinese to non-Chinese.

    The interesting thing about LKY is that in some sense he really represents the best of all possible worlds! Even Francis Fukuyama, the patron saint of the End of History and the triumph of democracy and liberalism, conceded that in theory an authoritarian regime ruled by a benevolent dictator was in fact superior to the kind of society he viewed as being the end point of mankind’s historical evolution. And LKY was one of the few instances in history of someone who might rightfully be labelled as a benevolent dictator.

    I hope people will understand why the uh wise amongst us might more often than not pine for LKY the Second Coming to return to this earthly realm and dispense some sense and discipline upon the lost and wayward masses…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Yan Shen

    Singapore has abysmal TFR. LKY failed. Feminism destroys all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill B.

  114. @anon
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The Election was originally about reaffirming Brexit, and May was looking at an 100+ makority, going on the early Polls.
    Since then, Tory campaigning, focused on the lacklustre May, has been poor, and the Polls have tightened.
    Corbyn's response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.
    That's not a bad line, similar to the Ron Paul line, and Labour could form a minority Government by winning another 25 Seats on the strength of it.
    If May cannot respond to the latest events with concrete proposals, rather than pap, she''ll be toast on June 8.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Random Dude on the Internet, @O'Really

    Corbyn’s response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.

    He’s right of course.

    • Agree: Randal
    • Replies: @Ed
    @Opinionator

    He's wrong of course. The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don't attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland).

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Dieter Kief

    , @Bill B.
    @Opinionator

    No, the Jihadists are not attacking European countries because of their foreign policy.

    They are attacking them because they are full of filthy kaffirs and it is the good Muslim's duty to attack the kaffirs that refuse to submit. This is very clearly spelled out in the Jihadist literature.

    Boualem Sansal, the superb and brave Algerian writer, in Le Figaro last week said that Islamists think Europe is "in play" and ready for the plucking.

    He said that Daesh/ISIS is probably doomed but it will make no difference; just as the demise of the Algerian FIS, the destruction of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the ousting of the Taliban from Kabul etc. did little to halt the spread of Islamism. Indeed whatever replaces ISIS will likely have an even more cruel and more obdurate leader.

    The Islamists, Sansal said, leap like wolves on European weakness and ignorance to lard the West with Sunni Islamic communities where sharia law is obligatory. Defeat and victory are the same for the Islamists: victory means expansion; defeat means the 'moderate' Muslims are pandered to by a West that slowing succumbs to Wahabi-style Islam.

    He pointed out that Islamism with the sword is actually expanding faster in Europe now than it is in the MENA countries where typically tough but effective local religious frameworks hold it at bay.

    Personally I think he is right: there is no mechanism in Islam to switch off the jihadi gene and there is seeming nothing to persuade Western authorities that Jihadi atrocities are not eruptions with wholly mysterious causes. This will continue for some time.

    (The article is behind a paywall but I googled a chunk of the text to find a copy).

    Replies: @Opinionator

  115. @Chebyshev
    No matter how bad the Irish Republican Army was, their past terror attacks do not suggest that admitting tens of thousands of Muslims into the U.K. is a good idea.

    Replies: @anon

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    There is one flaw in your analogy sir. In the early 20th century Ireland was a part of the United Kingdom. This is not the case for the Muslim invaders. Kind of a home-grown terrorism vs an imported one.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    , @Lot
    @anon


    it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century
     
    You assume the alternative would be no immigration. Capital demands cheap labor, so just as likely the Irish who did not come would have been replaced by Africans and South Asians.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Daniel H
    @anon

    >>What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.

    Problem being, that during the entire 19th and 20th century, and up until this very minute, Northern Ireland was/is as much a part of the UK as Westminster. Northern Irish are UK citizens as much as Enoch Powell was.

    Replies: @anon

    , @James Richard
    @anon

    No, what the IRA terrorism suggests is that it wasn't a good idea for the English to colonize Ulster with thousands of Scottish Presbyterians.

    , @daniel le mouche
    @anon

    I'm sure you'll readily agree that it was the Anglo Saxons that rather forcefully 'admitted' themselves to Britain a millenium and a half ago, and that it was THEY who over many centuries tormented the Celts of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. It was the charming Cromwell who created the hell known as Northern Ireland, using the tried old trick of importing foreigners, whose progeny within a generation or two are just as 'native' as the true natives. Before him, it was the charming Englishwoman Elizabeth who ordered all Catholics in England drawn and quartered, whether Irish or English. Terrorism is the weapon of the bullied. How was one to fight the power of the British Empire and Crown? That's the only way. They were totally justified, no matter how the English moan about every precious Anglo Saxon killed, convenientlychoosing to ignore the utter destruction of Ireland by their ancestors.

    Replies: @anon, @Opinionator

  116. @Hyperborean
    Isn't it interesting how often when these types of attacks happen the secret police tells us that the perpetrators were known jihadist radicals. If the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don't they do anything to prevent it? Is it simply out of "respecting their rights", cowardice or something more sinister?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @al gore rhythms, @anon, @Expletive Deleted

    Maybe just a problem of numbers. There might be a lot of suspicious characters, a relatively few of go on to commit terrorism.

    • Replies: @David Allan coe
    @AKAHorace

    True, they would need to deport half the Muslim males in the UK, but too many are British born citizens. They don't even lock up terrorists guilty of mass slaughter for more than 20 years.

  117. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    Nothing will change. In fact I’m sure some commenter will be along here shortly to tell us yet again that this had nothing to do with the jihad and martyrdom doctrine in Islam but rather was caused by US foreign policy or Israel or something.

  118. CCZ says:

    I guess the British have totally forgotten (or chosen to fully ignore) the ‘Father of Pakistan’ Muhammad Ali Jinnah who persuaded the British that an India containing a large Muslim population would inevitably fall apart.

    In a 1940 Muslim League conference in Lahore, Jinnah said:

    “It is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time.

    The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s]….and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [perspectives] on life, and of life, are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, their heroes are different…. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state.”

    [Paragraph 23]:
    http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_lahore_1940.html

    Substitute Christians (or secularists or westerners) for Hindus and Europe for India and the “growing discontent, and final destruction of any fabric” prediction is the seeming fate of Europe.

  119. Dave says:
    @Wilkey
    At some point if the government doesn't start defending the interests of native Britons and start reducing levels of Muslim immigration the people will start to take matters into their own hands. It may not be happening as soon as you'd think it would, but it's not a matter of if, but when. Rotherham, Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, the tube bombings...A limit will be reached.

    Replies: @Dave, @SteveRogers42, @Frau Katze, @lavoisier

    Respectfully disagree. The vast majority of the white British population appears to be incapable of self defense. I live in NYC, and I’ve socialized with several Brits, and after you’ve softened them up with booze and the defenses fall they will admit that ” England is lost ” and the England of their youth is gone forever, but there is literally no will to resist in any way. They’ve just collectively given up. Resistance would make them ” bad people “. And nobody wants to be seen by their fellows as a bad person.

    • Agree: Kevin C., rw95
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Dave

    Not to mention there's a host of hate-laws forbidding even the softest protest against immivasion and rapefugees. If English lads were to try to defend themselves and push back Muslims, they'd be met with the utmost violence by riot police and put in prison in the blink of an eye. For Britons to be free to protect themselves, they'd have to take down the whole regime. Not an easy task.

    , @Anonymouse
    @Dave

    So says Jonn Derbyshire and he should know.

    , @ben tillman
    @Dave


    Respectfully disagree. The vast majority of the white British population appears to be incapable of self defense. I live in NYC, and I’ve socialized with several Brits, and after you’ve softened them up with booze and the defenses fall they will admit that ” England is lost ” and the England of their youth is gone forever, but there is literally no will to resist in any way. They’ve just collectively given up. Resistance would make them ” bad people “. And nobody wants to be seen by their fellows as a bad person.
     
    That's why someone important needs to speak out. Someone more important than Morrissey.

    Someone named Elizabeth, Charles, or William. Or even Harry.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alden

  120. Moshe says:
    @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish

    These appear to be rational acts. Why do you see them as irrational?

    Replies: @Moshe

    Come on. If you are going to premeditated give your life for an attack that you are not commanded to do by your superior officer and that has virtually no chance of survival… wouldn’t you want to actually accomplish something instead of just doing the same thing that 50 other guys did before you while accomplishing nothing?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moshe

  121. @The Z Blog
    I'm rooting for the Muslims. They want it more.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Yak-15, @rw95

    Yes!

  122. I am a POM Kiwi, born in the UK. This is the new normal. I don’t care any more. Londoners elected a mayor with fundamentalist sympathies and felt oh-so-smug about doing so. The smugness was so extreme you could almost sense it in the atmosphere.

    Pimp my daughter
    Mug my mother
    I still love you
    You’re my brother

    hashtag- thoughts and prayers, light and candle blah-dee-blah

    rinse and repeat.

    I am in Cyprus at the moment. Most of the POMs I meet here are well aware of what a disaster this has been, but it’s too late.

    Kiwis often suffer from exactly the same mindless smugness that brought about this catastrophe in England.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    @22pp22

    Kiwi living in London here. NZers are the smuggest most pompous people of the Anglosphere. We are truly convinced, in a religious sense, that there is something different in the dirt in NZ that confers moral excellency upon us, and anyone else who deigns to land there. One day, there will be terror act there and the sense of stupefaction will be off the charts.

    Replies: @22pp22

  123. @Yan Shen
    I'm uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn't quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it's a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it's basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn't that different from many of the "multicultural" Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Lugash, @Buck Turgidson, @RadicalCenter, @Father O'Hara, @RW

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    What specific things would PM LKY do to improve the UK? Closing down radical mosques, stopping immigration and deporting illegals? As PM he might get the last one done. What would he do to integrate the 15% of the population that is foreign born? The 5% Muslim population? The black population? More prosaic, what would he do to reduce housing prices and improve the NHS? I know, import a million Chinese cognitive elites!

    You’re too enamored with LKY and your co-ethnics. I’m not sure if it’s blinding you to the real world impossibilities of your ideas, or if you’re just oblivious to the real world in general.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Lugash

    Singapore is about 14% muslim, though they are mostly Malays. The other major minority is Indians, who have low rates of violent criminality.

  124. @Yan Shen
    I'm attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Lot, @Daniel Chieh, @Old fogey, @AnotherDad

    Europe wants to die. She’s successfully implementing her strategy. Stop disturbing her.

    To be more exact, the elite seems to have that as their plan and much of the population appears to largely agree. There’s nothing left to say, really. The world wars have killed all of the real men.

    Its really sad.There are tons of effective strategies, but none of them are being implemented. The will is wanting.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    @Daniel Chieh

    Europeans today are living in a post-colonial world. Many of these countries, especially the UK and France, used to have impressive empires that spanned the globe that are now totally gone, with the exception of a couple islands here and there. To live in a society where they're past their peak, it probably doesn't seem like it is worth saving. The best days of their country are long since gone. It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don't want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    America is a little different because we're still in Pax Americana so people are a little more aware of what is at stake, which is why Trump got elected.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Frau Katze

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Daniel Chieh

    Dan, the theory about the world wars killing off the best stock seems plausible when you look at Germany and Western Europe, but Russia and the East suffered horrendous casualties as well, and there doesn't seem to be any shortage of high-T alphas in those places. Also, the most cucked nation on the continent is Sweden, and they haven't lost a single soldier in combat for the last 150 years.

    I'm not saying that the great cullings of the 20th century had no effect, but there's got to be something else going on there, as well.

  125. @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    Am I missing something here?

    Corbyn now up to 19% to be PM on June 30. Current polls show Tories expect to pad on another net 40 seats on top of their current ~100 seat lead over Labour. Polls routinely understate Tory support. In the very unlikely event of no Tory majority, the minor parties hate Corbyn and would coalition only with their own PM or a non-Corbyn from either major party.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @anon

    My money’s on the 360-369 Conservative seats contract, at an average cost of 15 cents, but as of a couple of days ago, the 390+ contract was the highest priced one. Now it’s the 329 or fewer contract.

    I don’t think Brits are legally allowed to use PredictIt though, so not sure how accurate this market is.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen


    I don’t think Brits are legally allowed to use PredictIt though, so not sure how accurate this market is.
     
    Though would be odd given how many online event betting sites seem to be in the UK.
  126. It’s about 4/am GMT Sunday. Sunday is the day Arianna Grande will have her ” love and unity” memorial concert in Manchester .

    Security will be tight at the concert.
    I think I’ll quit my job and start a cheap Chinese teddy bear, candle and plastic flower import business in Britian.

    Heritage Foundation guy is on TV right now praising the Britiah intelligence forces. If they are so effective but allow the Rotherham rapes and endless attacks might perhaps lead a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the security forces, like the Rotherham police are under orders to let the Muslims take over the country

  127. @PiltdownMan

    It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.
     
    My nineteen-year-old kid is in London right now, visiting a friend and was out on the town Saturday night GMT. She texted me three hours ago, was about half-a-mile away from the incident, and said the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I'm happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @fnn

    the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I’m happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.

    Stern stuff, eh? What are any of these people doing to resist being displaced from their homelands?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Opinionator

    They can't do anything about it because they don't own the land. Not one square inch. Somebody else does. An old lady. And her bankers.
    They also don't have an Army or Navy etc. Again, personal property of said old lady and her financial advisers, with solemn oaths and all. To protect all Her land, that was stolen in 1066.
    And on top of that it's jail if you carry so much as a jack-knife or a melon-baller in public, as a commoner.

    Suggestions please. Vote Her out?? lol.

  128. @bored identity
    Feel uncomfortable about the series of unfortunate vehicular jihad events?

    Keep Calm and Eat Your Soy!


    Lawrence of Tribalia echo-chambers collective fear about real clear & present danger:


    https://twitter.com/LHSummers/status/870394334373437441

    Replies: @e, @Kyle McKenna, @EvolutionistX, @dr kill

    Does Larry feel that way about Bibi. Bibi believes in walls. Bibi believes in protecting his own. Bibi gets the best deals he can for his own country.

    Larry will never again, evidently, publicly test the diversity and progressive gods.

  129. @anon
    @Anonym

    MENA people vs MENSA people. Sadly, for them, MENA people don't have what it takes to be successful in a MENSA world, so they lash out at society. Also, it doesn't help that MENA people, due to centuries of inbreeding, tend to look 'off'. They're not getting much sex from white women, and that isn't helping matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonym, @Daniel H

    MENSA people have no advantage in the struggle for survival. Mother nature has her own priorities in sorting out winners and losers. I’m a pessimist. I think MENA and continental African peoples have the competitive advantage.

  130. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Let's start calling them massacres.

    Only five people died in the Boston Massacre of 1770, but that event helped start a revolution.

    We need to become more militant in our attitude toward all the bullshit that's been fed to us for too long.

    Tonight's event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Uebersetzer

    …and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Opinionator

    Lets assume you are right. Just for argument's sake. They still couldn't kill British people in Britain if they couldn't get INSIDE into Britain. So it really is the open immigration policies as the cause.

    Replies: @Randal

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Tonight’s event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    …and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.
     
    MMMM, clip-paste....Invade the world, invite the world.

    I assume that things will settle down once St Peter's and St Paul's are converted to mosques, and every Muslim has his quota of pubescent European girls to rape......
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Opinionator

    It's time to stop using one half of Invade/Invite to argue against our right and responsibility to protect ourselves.

    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.

    Every other race on Earth puts its own kind ahead of others, and every other race has invaded others at one time or another. Repeated retorts like "...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East" are getting old.

    They would invade us anyway, if given the chance, as they have done in the past.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal

    , @Clyde
    @Opinionator

    You are a dumb, self blaming, self hater. Hater of his own people too. Pffftttt..... I never insult other posters but you are an ill educated blight. Troll, you are joining Corvinus in the Unz kill file.

  131. Well, its a good thing that the terrorists have low IQs.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Daniel Chieh

    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I'm worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

  132. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    >>Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Well, let’s just add another 2 feet to the wall, and on and on if necessary.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Daniel H

    Along with Active Denial Systems, National Guard vehicle and aerial patrols, volunteer sheriff's posses, etc. Prioritize the Great Wall of Trump as a national security issue.

    THE national security issue.

  133. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lot

    My money's on the 360-369 Conservative seats contract, at an average cost of 15 cents, but as of a couple of days ago, the 390+ contract was the highest priced one. Now it's the 329 or fewer contract.

    I don't think Brits are legally allowed to use PredictIt though, so not sure how accurate this market is.

    Replies: @Lot

    I don’t think Brits are legally allowed to use PredictIt though, so not sure how accurate this market is.

    Though would be odd given how many online event betting sites seem to be in the UK.

  134. @Intelligent Dasein
    @syonredux

    The enemy is already inside St. Peter's. Anti-Pope Francis has repeatedly called for more immigrants and "welcoming." However, none of that will stop the Muslims from bombing it anyway.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Agree. Dammit, how do I get an increase in my agree tokens?

  135. @Lugash
    @Yan Shen


    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?
     
    What specific things would PM LKY do to improve the UK? Closing down radical mosques, stopping immigration and deporting illegals? As PM he might get the last one done. What would he do to integrate the 15% of the population that is foreign born? The 5% Muslim population? The black population? More prosaic, what would he do to reduce housing prices and improve the NHS? I know, import a million Chinese cognitive elites!

    You're too enamored with LKY and your co-ethnics. I'm not sure if it's blinding you to the real world impossibilities of your ideas, or if you're just oblivious to the real world in general.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Singapore is about 14% muslim, though they are mostly Malays. The other major minority is Indians, who have low rates of violent criminality.

  136. @anon
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The Election was originally about reaffirming Brexit, and May was looking at an 100+ makority, going on the early Polls.
    Since then, Tory campaigning, focused on the lacklustre May, has been poor, and the Polls have tightened.
    Corbyn's response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.
    That's not a bad line, similar to the Ron Paul line, and Labour could form a minority Government by winning another 25 Seats on the strength of it.
    If May cannot respond to the latest events with concrete proposals, rather than pap, she''ll be toast on June 8.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Random Dude on the Internet, @O'Really

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it’s more that she’s just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Why the hell did Farage step down?

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet

    , @Randal
    @Random Dude on the Internet


    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time.
     
    UKIP understandably has not yet reorganised itself to deal with the consequences of achieving its core goal with the victory in the Brexit referendum.

    As for supporting Corbyn over May that might be going a bit far, but with May allowing the advance of "hate speech" censorship and harassment of patriots and traditionalists, and enthusiastically continuing the invade the world globalist policies and, perhaps less enthusiastically, the related invite the world policies, it's hard to get up much enthusiasm for voting "Conservative". It's more a case, I think, of voting tactically for the more reliably pro-Brexit candidate in each constituency regardless of party.

    And, of course, as someone who has been openly menaced with the threat of legal harassment by someone supposedly representing jewish interests, this kind of stuff makes me feel that even a Labour victory would at least have some redeeming features:

    If Jeremy Corbyn and his followers do not suffer a gigantic defeat in this election, it will be an utter, complete, ghastly disaster for Jews. It will mean that despite all that has happened in the past two years, all his supporters have said about Jews, people — even Jews, for goodness sake — can still support him. … Jeremy Corbyn mustn’t just lose. He must be crushed electorally. It must be impossible for his supporters to say that it wasn’t too bad and they should have another go. …

     

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Unsurprisingly, crypto-cuck Michael B Dougherty is a YUGE fan of May.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Random Dude on the Internet


    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism...
     
    I just need to say at this juncture that accelerationism is utterly stupid. I have no respect and no patience for anyone who would even propose such a thing. Not only is it morally impermissible to do evil that good may come of it, it is also tactically the very pitch of insanity to think that you're somehow helping your cause by doing your enemy's work for him. There is no Hegelian antithesis that's going to appear ex machina to save the day, and to hope for such a thing is both delusional and deranged.
    , @jim jones
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    The Daily Mail, which is the propaganda organ of the Conservative Party, loves Theresa May

    Replies: @Anonymous

  137. Alien Muslims living in Europe.

    Why Europeans can’t have nice things anymore.

  138. @anon
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The Election was originally about reaffirming Brexit, and May was looking at an 100+ makority, going on the early Polls.
    Since then, Tory campaigning, focused on the lacklustre May, has been poor, and the Polls have tightened.
    Corbyn's response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.
    That's not a bad line, similar to the Ron Paul line, and Labour could form a minority Government by winning another 25 Seats on the strength of it.
    If May cannot respond to the latest events with concrete proposals, rather than pap, she''ll be toast on June 8.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Random Dude on the Internet, @O'Really

    It had better be more than just proposals. If she doesn’t take real action in the next 48 hours, I suspect a few million core Conservative/Brexiteer voters would just sit home, and hand the election to Corbyn. (they won’t be convinced to vote for the Islamicized Labour Party, but they won’t need to)

    • Replies: @anon
    @O'Really


    If she doesn’t take real action in the next 48 hours, I suspect a few million core Conservative/Brexiteer voters would just sit home
     
    yes - i think that is a real possibility. in the US there are always reasons for patriots to force themselves to vote GOPe (despite what traitors they are) because of things like supreme court appointments

    but in western Europe the conservatives (bribed by the banking mafia) have fully adopted SJW ideology because open borders ideology suits the banking mafia's desire for endless cheap labor
  139. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, its a good thing that the terrorists have low IQs.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I’m worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Judah Benjamin Hur


    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I’m worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.
     
    hmm... CNN pitched this idea tonight. Namely that the 'low tech' British attacks are a sign that the State has rooted out more effective and dangerous terrorist attacks. Leaving only knives and rental vehicles.

    Not to mention the idea that the current attacks are due to ISIS, which isn't who they -- the Brit Muslims -- are. So the Brit establishment Muslims are not responsible for the deplorable Muslims. Not to mention that they aren't immigrants anyway. And the fact they are not more integrated into society is the fault of bigoted whites. Not to mention they need more money to provide services. &c.

    Of course, it is all absurd, but facts have no bearing on any of this. The globalist agenda is immune to evidence.
    , @ben tillman
    @Judah Benjamin Hur


    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I’m worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.
     
    That depends on whether it would be good for PNAC.
  140. The mosques are barracks.

    Universalist white westerners just don’t get it. They relentless project their worldview onto the scorpion.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Anonymous

    That is an excellent line, sir. I hope you don't mind if I appropriate it.

  141. @Lot
    @Yan Shen

    Sex-selective abortion in Korea has resulted in a huge surplus of men, who are importing poor brides from elsewhere in Asia. The sex ratio imbalance peaked 25-30 years ago at nearly 1.2 to 1, meaning the effect is most acute right now.

    More than a third of marriages in rural South Korea involve foreign women, and these marriages are more fertile than Korean-Korean marriages. By 2020, about one third of children born in Korean will have a non-ethnic-Korean parent.

    http://apjjf.org/-Andrew-Eungi-Kim/3035/article.html

    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.


    South Korea has been importing significant numbers of migrant workers since the early 1990s. As of the end of 2007, registered foreigners totaled 1,066,273, accounting for 2.2 per cent of the total population. The number of foreigners in Korea jumped 2.75 times since 1997 from 386,972. If the current trend continues, the number of foreigners in Korea would reach 1.5 million in 2012, 2.5 million in 2020...

    A large majority of foreigners in Korea have entered the country with work visas and the number of foreigners with work visas, as of May 2008, amounted to more than 700,000. The 2008 total represents an annual increase of nearly 100,000 new arrivals since late 2004, when the figure was 460,000. Most of those who entered Korea with work visas, including more than 200,000 overstaying migrant workers, have been unskilled migrant workers.
     

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.

    While the number of foreign workers is increasing, the principal route towards permanent residence appears to be marriage to a Korean citizen, and there’s no mention of either chain migration or routine annual immigration quotas (permanent residence permits leading to citizenship):

    Despite all the indications that the country is rapidly becoming a multicultural society, the Korean government still insists on almost zero-immigration. In contrast to such “immigration countries” as the United States, Canada, and Australia that have extended citizenship to many new residents and encouraged their integration and assimilation, Korea remains a “non-immigration” country, much like Japan and many Western European countries, its policy objectives centering on controlling inflows, restricting long-term stays, discouraging permanent residence and limiting citizenship.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Johann Ricke

    With an estimated 200,000 illegal residents via visa overstay (the route of about half of US illegals) and 100,000 more legal migrant workers coming every year, it will get to a point where the illegals blend in, or become too important to influential employers to deport.

    I envy having South Korea's immigration problem rather than our own, but they are far from a model case.

  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    After all of the carnage of the last decade it is still impossible to get an ass kicking masculine leader elected in western Europe!

    Think about it. The estrogen filled voters cannot relate to a tough leader who will actually fix the problem. He’s too “scary”…

    Repulsive straight fag limp wrist leadership until the end of time apparently! Vive Macron! Et al.

  143. @carol
    @rw95

    The euros' stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded

    Replies: @Kylie, @anon

    “The euros’ stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded”

    No, these are true believers. They are not terrified, they are deluded.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Kylie

    Stockholm Syndrome?

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Kylie

    They are deluded and terrified -- by their own governments.

    Speakers and writers in Europe can pretty easily come up against hate-speech laws and such. Write the wrong thing about non-European people, and you will be investigated. It is even harder there than it is in the US for citizens to come upon frank statements in media.

    Since most people in any group are conformists and followers, laws like that make it extra difficult for heretical truth to spread.

    The delusion is perpetuated by law.

    If we in America don't aggressively protect The First Amendment, if we don't categorically reject every proposal of anything resembling a hate-speech law, we will find ourselves in the same mental bind.

    Replies: @Kylie

  144. @Dave Pinsen
    In the U.S., you'd think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/871162622720307200

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lot, @jesse helms think-alike, @anon

    n the U.S., you’d think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?

    Unfortunately lady Conservatives just like lady Republicans in the US have absorbed the “compassionate conservative” ideal. Their goals are indistinguishable from those of the Left but they fight to achieve those goals a bit more slowly, with some empty talk of fiscal responsibility and tax cuts thrown in to fool the rubes.

    Look at Elizabeth Dole who converted Jesse Helms’ safe senate seat to Dem in just one term.
    Look at Nimrata Haley who as SC governor rushed to tear down any confederate flag within reach before the left even had a chance to bus in BLM rent-a-mobs.

    Marine LePen, the last rightwing hope for France was a similar disappointment, disavowing membership in her own party before the election in order to curry favor with people who hate her.

    Why would May, a dim non-entity who backed into the Prime Ministership through no skill or talent of her own be any different? talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn't some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You'll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she'll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    Replies: @European-American, @Frau Katze, @Kyle McKenna, @Anonymous

  145. @Kylie
    @carol

    "The euros’ stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded"

    No, these are true believers. They are not terrified, they are deluded.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Buzz Mohawk

    Stockholm Syndrome?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Opinionator

    Stockholm Syndrome? No. Just smug virtue-signaling. The left's veneration of NAMS allows them to feel superior to and contemptuous of conservative/lower-class whites.

    It's a winning combo platter for them. They will never voluntarily give it up.

  146. @anon
    @rw95

    Only if you bet me that leftists and the media will say this has nothing to do with islam.

    Care for a bit o sharia wif your fish n chips , mate ?

    If we don't allow in millions of "asians" and "mediteranians " , how the hell are we going to get kebabs and asian takeaway ? I mean the recipes are secret , difficult to recreate and totally unavailable on the internet.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Frau Katze

    It’s worse than a sane person can even imagine or lampoon. I’m already getting whiffs of prog propaganda that these attacks have been staged by the Tories to influence tomorrow’s election.

  147. @Daniel Chieh
    @Yan Shen

    Europe wants to die. She's successfully implementing her strategy. Stop disturbing her.

    To be more exact, the elite seems to have that as their plan and much of the population appears to largely agree. There's nothing left to say, really. The world wars have killed all of the real men.

    Its really sad.There are tons of effective strategies, but none of them are being implemented. The will is wanting.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @SteveRogers42

    Europeans today are living in a post-colonial world. Many of these countries, especially the UK and France, used to have impressive empires that spanned the globe that are now totally gone, with the exception of a couple islands here and there. To live in a society where they’re past their peak, it probably doesn’t seem like it is worth saving. The best days of their country are long since gone. It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don’t want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    America is a little different because we’re still in Pax Americana so people are a little more aware of what is at stake, which is why Trump got elected.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don’t want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Lot, @Whiskey

    , @Frau Katze
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    But America will catch up with Europe's Muslim numbers if someone doesn't stop them from coming.

    Trump can't even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.

    Replies: @Lot

  148. Just reading this at a rural train station west of Tokyo after a hike in the mountains. My first thought was that all these terrorist events are absolutely unthinkable here. Poor Japanese people, deprived of all of the benefits of diversity.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @European-American

  149. @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    Still depends where you go. I went to the 5th Arr. after Bataclan. Tiny inexpensive hotel, fantastic food everywhere served by real French waiters. I didn’t see a MENA anywhere in nine days except a few sulking on Blvd. Saint Germain and one taking tickets behind the counter at the Louvre.

    I did see four man fire teams patroling with assault rifles, body armour, and paratrooper berets inside the Louvre, and an army truck pulled up on Saint Germain one afternoon and a dozen soldiers jumped out. The officer forbade me to take a photo after I asked politely.

    But then on the plane from there to visit my relatives in Scotland I sat behind a bearded man in a man dress reading Hadiths from a stack of photocopies, and on my way home to Canada I sat beside a woman in a hijab who successfully landed the aircraft by praying loudly besides me as cross winds buffeted us.

  150. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    “you guys are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non-Muslims.”

    No. Mass immigration is NOT “fine” at all. And immigration of Muslims is the absolute worst of all.

  151. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    Absolutely right … nothing will change. There will be more concerts and other public events to express everyone’s solidarity with everyone else. There will be public huggings (rather than hangings). There will be gigabytes of tweets offering condolences to the victims and their families with pleas to remind everyone that not all Muslims are terrorists.

    The above, of course, is useless virtue signaling. It makes people feel better about something they will do nothing about. MI5 got the problem right after Manchester: There are already up to 20,000 suspected terrorists hiding within Britain’s Muslim immigrant communities … and it can only monitor and track 3,000 of them at a time. Given the relatively high Muslim birth rate, this ratio will get worse as years go by. In short, it is too late to doing anything about Islamic terrorism in Britain or anywhere else in Western Europe.

    This should have been foreseen … but maybe not. This is the new European society populated by radical feminists and gelded “cucks” making concrete progress in establishing a New World Order. As a generalization, the anti-natalist New World Order is led by childless feminists and male homosexuals who for years have been arranging, via mass immigration, the intentional atomization of society with the most diverse social and religious demographic they could organize. A permanent but tolerable level of terrorism on the part of Muslim immigrant communities is now de rigueur across the entire continent.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @TheJester

    It is of course not too late to completely solve the problem, in principle. Special wartime laws that would allow for mass deportation of all citizens who are descended from migrants from Islamic countries.

    Needless to say, that is completely beyond the pale of discourse in Europe or America. Perhaps when these attacks happen with a latency of once a day or more than once a day instead of once every 10-20 days the Overton window can slide a bit.

  152. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @Daniel Chieh

    Europeans today are living in a post-colonial world. Many of these countries, especially the UK and France, used to have impressive empires that spanned the globe that are now totally gone, with the exception of a couple islands here and there. To live in a society where they're past their peak, it probably doesn't seem like it is worth saving. The best days of their country are long since gone. It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don't want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    America is a little different because we're still in Pax Americana so people are a little more aware of what is at stake, which is why Trump got elected.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Frau Katze

    It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don’t want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Opinionator


    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.
     
    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist. Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder, @al gore rhythms

    , @Whiskey
    @Opinionator

    Yes, turning France into Algeria on the Rhone is so good for Jews. Its so good, that France in a few years will be totally "Jundenrein" something that not even Hitler could achieve. Or maybe, just maybe, HBD explains it all. To be blunt, there is something very, very wrong with White people -- our women.

    Whites are evolved from an HBD perspective to treat our women well, by being Beta Males. Beta Maledom is innate and a massively sexually selected characteristic. This worked well before the pill, condom, welfare, increased female earnings, and anonymous urban living made White Beta Maledom about as adaptive as the Lindy and 23 Skiddo.

    White women, and ESPECIALLY White Upper Class women, have decided their men are lacking, and no longer needing or wanting Beta Male Provisioning, have decided to replace us with violent, low IQ Third Worlders, especially Africans and Muslims.





    If you put most White women somewhere on the spectrum between Cackle Pants Hillary and her HATE HATE HATE of you deplorables, and Amanda Palmer, common law wife of Neil Gaiman, acclaimed author with millions of global fans, who wrote a fawning "love poem" to Dhokar Tsarnaev, you would not be far wrong. After all, the nurses at Tsarnaev's hospital allegedly got into a fight over who would take care of that sexy, wounded bad boy. Women around the Tsarnaev's knew who they were, and that's why they were all over them. The older dead one even has an Alpha Widow to go along with his actual widow.

    The rapes, the murder, the slavery, the misery are a feature not a bug of Islam and Muslims and most White women WANT WANT WANT it like an extra dose of a fat-hiding burqua and that sexy male dominance. Women despise male intelligence as much as they prize male violence and dominance. Heck the more Muslims rape and murder in the West the more White women defend them. To anyone who is depressingly familiar with female nature (and nothing is more depressing) then this is absolutely predictable.

    If the story of the West up to the 1950's was utter dominance based on massing lots of industrious, hard working, willing to die in shock battle or wars of attrition, not to mention cooperative and high trust men, based on the rewards of a woman freely choosing them in exchange for beta male provisioning, the story of Western collapse is that of White women deciding they'll go all-in for the Bad Boy experience and viewing their men as obsolete.

    TL:DR, the pill and condom make the West obsolete and abolished.

    Thought experiment -- if every White dude on the planet resembled a cast member from Sons of Anarchy, how quickly would Muslims in the West be expelled, along with most non-Whites? Two months? Three at most?

    This attack almost certainly puts Corbyn over the top, as most White women WANT to surrender to the most dominant male group which is Muslims, and Corbyn is the candidate of surrender to Islam.

    Bottom line: Harley Quinn, literally a serial killer groupie, is a "feminist hero." If the West is to survive anywhere it is imperative that almost all White men treat our women as a biker fully patched member would, or worse. Its what they want and the only way to get them to buy in to siding with us instead of the stronger horse.

  153. @Yan Shen
    I'm attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Lot, @Daniel Chieh, @Old fogey, @AnotherDad

    Keeping borders secure and avoiding foreign entanglements were political mainstays just a few years ago. Oh, for the good old days! Isolationism is a great tradition when you have fish to your east and west and no military powers to your north or south.

  154. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    Why the hell did Farage step down?

    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    @Opinionator

    After Brexit happened, he basically said, "I've done all I wanted to achieve" and stepped down. Then he went back to being a leader after UKIP collapsed and then left again in a matter of weeks, resulting in UKIP collapsing again. A totally bungled operation that gave people little or no confidence in UKIP. So now anyone conservative is throwing their lot in with the Tories who are being led by the least competent Prime Minister since the late 1970s.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  155. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    Right. Walls don’t work. That’s why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian’s wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @anon

    The Berlin Wall seemed to work pretty well.

    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    Not to mention the symbolic value of having the wall. Does anonymous really believe that low end Latin Americans, who probably have a 85 IQ at best (they're not sending their best), will come up with an effective enough scheme to get over a big, beautiful wall? Does anonymous also not think that you can't have border patrols along the wall? Heck, with technology being as cheap as it is you could probably have sensors that could send drones to perform a preliminary investigation and if it detects human movement, border patrol agents can be dispatched to the site.

    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It's sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over. Sad!

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Hanson

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @anon

    The Great Wall was a notorious failure, horrible example.

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @anon

    I would pay a lot of $$ to watch Janet Napolitano scale a 50-foot wall with her 51-foot ladder. The descent would be epic (and seismic).

  156. @Moshe
    @Opinionator

    Come on. If you are going to premeditated give your life for an attack that you are not commanded to do by your superior officer and that has virtually no chance of survival... wouldn't you want to actually accomplish something instead of just doing the same thing that 50 other guys did before you while accomplishing nothing?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.
     
    As I keep on pointing out to you, it's actually quite irrational. In exchange for a little chaos , Muslims are being given the opportunity to both invade Europe and to exterminate Christianity in the Middle East....

    Really, this is the most glorious moment for Islam since the Rightly Guided Caliphs.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.
     
    But that would also mean that the Brits would close their gates to Islam.....and that would rob Islam of its grand moment.....

    Remember, it's invade the world, invite the world. Can't have one without the other...
    , @Moshe
    @Opinionator

    Ah, you're overthinking things. You might say such a thing of Thinkers like BLadin but you're giving these small fry way too much credit.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder

  157. @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

    There is one flaw in your analogy sir. In the early 20th century Ireland was a part of the United Kingdom. This is not the case for the Muslim invaders. Kind of a home-grown terrorism vs an imported one.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @anon

    Which leads to the question of differing terrorist motivations:

    The IRA's motivations were clear: withdrawal of British rule from all of Ireland and thus independence of the entire island. The British could have ended the terrorism by acceding to the IRA's demands, though to their credit they didn't fold and were pretty firm.

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries. The British these days are so womanly they are rolling over and acceding to both.

    One can't help but point out again that Poland, Japan, Hungary aren't having any Muslim terrorist attacks. Guess what? They haven't taken in any Muslims.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  158. Lot says:
    @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

    it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century

    You assume the alternative would be no immigration. Capital demands cheap labor, so just as likely the Irish who did not come would have been replaced by Africans and South Asians.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Lot

    Completely unlikely to import Africans and South Asians in 1900.
    My point is that the Catholic Irish were [and are] a volatile and unassimilable people, and the response of The State of the time was to pander and accomodate them, to the detriment of the local people.
    The only thing that's changed is the religion and the race of the State's new pets.

  159. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Just reading this at a rural train station west of Tokyo after a hike in the mountains. My first thought was that all these terrorist events are absolutely unthinkable here. Poor Japanese people, deprived of all of the benefits of diversity.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Daniel Chieh


    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.
     
    The Aum Shinrikyo cult was pretty incompetent. Their total victim count was something like twenty people. One psychotic Korean can out perform that in an afternoon.

    If, however, you are talking about the military junta that governed Japan during WWII, you have a point.
    , @European-American
    @Daniel Chieh

    The 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack was the deadliest incident to occur in Japan since the end of World War II. The five coordinated attacks killed 12 people and injured 50. (Because it evaporates so quickly, sarin presents an immediate but short-lived threat.)

    There were also a few other attacks and murders by Aum Shinrikyo, but all in all I'd hardly call that "much greater efficiency"...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo#Incidents_before_1995

    Worst terrorist strikes--worldwide, compiled by Wm. Robert Johnston:
    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

    Unless you're referencing the crimes of imperial Japan?... Those are indeed in the same league as some of humanity's worst.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#List_of_major_crimes

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  160. @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don’t want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Lot, @Whiskey

    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.

    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist. Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Lot

    You appear to have your centuries mixed up.

    , @whorefinder
    @Lot


    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.
     
    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.
     
    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Lot, @Johann Ricke, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @al gore rhythms
    @Lot

    The Jewish demographic in Eastern Europe has diminished a great deal since about 1940.

    There will probably be quite a large section in your local library dealing with this if you are interested.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @peterike

  161. @anon
    @anonymous

    Right. Walls don't work. That's why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian's wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Peter Akuleyev, @Buck Turgidson

    The Berlin Wall seemed to work pretty well.

  162. @Lot
    @Opinionator


    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.
     
    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist. Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder, @al gore rhythms

    You appear to have your centuries mixed up.

  163. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Buzz Mohawk, @Clyde

    Lets assume you are right. Just for argument’s sake. They still couldn’t kill British people in Britain if they couldn’t get INSIDE into Britain. So it really is the open immigration policies as the cause.

    • Replies: @Randal
    @anon

    Mass immigration makes it easy for our acts of aggression to trigger acts of retaliatory violence here, because there are significant pools of people in place here who sympathise with the victims of our military aggression, ready to act. But it isn't true that no mass immigration means no retaliation.

    In the C19th and before, European nations could happily slaughter Africans and Asians completely safe from retaliation in our own countries, because the means for such retaliation simply were not available to the victims. As technological advance and the spread of the industrial revolution and its consequences has shrunk the world, making travel easier and multiplying the killing force available to individuals and small groups, this has become ever less true. In the mid-C20th, the resistance to the imposition of Israel on the ME led to plenty of terrorism by mostly secularist, socialist and nationalist groups, without much need for mass immigration to western states. The world has become a lot smaller since then.

    Ending mass immigration should be done because mass migration is inherently harmful, not out of fear of terrorism. It will also reduce the amount of terrorism our policies generate. But it won't end it, that's for sure. Maybe nothing will, completely. But the correct policies nevertheless are:

    Controlled borders and limited migration
    No more interventionist wars of aggression and regime change interference
    Strong military, used only for genuine defence, not "preventive" aggression dressed up as defence

  164. @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Why the hell did Farage step down?

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet

    After Brexit happened, he basically said, “I’ve done all I wanted to achieve” and stepped down. Then he went back to being a leader after UKIP collapsed and then left again in a matter of weeks, resulting in UKIP collapsing again. A totally bungled operation that gave people little or no confidence in UKIP. So now anyone conservative is throwing their lot in with the Tories who are being led by the least competent Prime Minister since the late 1970s.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Thanks. It's inexplicable behavior. Does he truly want Brexit to succeed or not?

  165. I don’t care about the dead White scum. The main thing is that we stop naighty Alt Right trolls from using this to promote Islamophobia. They don’t see hiw our Third World friends haveade our siciety so Vibrannt & Diverse.

    #StandUpForDiversity

  166. @jesse helms think-alike
    @Dave Pinsen


    n the U.S., you’d think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
     
    Unfortunately lady Conservatives just like lady Republicans in the US have absorbed the "compassionate conservative" ideal. Their goals are indistinguishable from those of the Left but they fight to achieve those goals a bit more slowly, with some empty talk of fiscal responsibility and tax cuts thrown in to fool the rubes.

    Look at Elizabeth Dole who converted Jesse Helms' safe senate seat to Dem in just one term.
    Look at Nimrata Haley who as SC governor rushed to tear down any confederate flag within reach before the left even had a chance to bus in BLM rent-a-mobs.

    Marine LePen, the last rightwing hope for France was a similar disappointment, disavowing membership in her own party before the election in order to curry favor with people who hate her.

    Why would May, a dim non-entity who backed into the Prime Ministership through no skill or talent of her own be any different? talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

    Replies: @whorefinder

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn’t some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You’ll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she’ll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    • Replies: @European-American
    @whorefinder

    True, but in Western Europe the barriers to such "brave native white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion" seem high.

    It's no coincidence that strong right-wing or populist stances are often defended by Jewish intellectuals, or gays, or women (off the top of my head Zemmour, Finkielkraut, Pim Fortuyn, Florian Philippot, Frauke Petry, Margaret Thatcher (?). You can't easily call such people Nazis, so they can express ideas that would not otherwise be allowed to be aired.

    The US (and the UK?) don't have quite as strict a prohibition, since they were never fascist.

    (by the way "La Pen" is a handy shorthand which I hadn't run across, nice! But what would we call Marion... Le Pen, La Pen, ... Bébé Pen? Lait Pen?)

    , @Frau Katze
    @whorefinder

    Geert Wilders in the Netherlands has had even less success than Le Pen.

    I don't think it have mattered a bit if there had been a male Le Pen.

    Macron has what can only be described as an "unusual" marriage but that didn't slow him down.

    Nope, it's policy alone people are voting on.

    , @Kyle McKenna
    @whorefinder

    Perhaps. Or perhaps Simone of Calais ("The Death of Civilization") should be their candidate.

    , @Anonymous
    @whorefinder


    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she’ll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge.
     
    Lol, I started reading your comment and was just about to ask where these brave men are hiding, and then this crap. Not much of a bold go-getter if he needs Le Pen to search for him and hold his hand.
  167. Lot says:
    @Johann Ricke
    @Lot


    Aside from foreign brides, the number of foreign migrant labors in South Korea is growing very rapidly.
     
    While the number of foreign workers is increasing, the principal route towards permanent residence appears to be marriage to a Korean citizen, and there's no mention of either chain migration or routine annual immigration quotas (permanent residence permits leading to citizenship):

    Despite all the indications that the country is rapidly becoming a multicultural society, the Korean government still insists on almost zero-immigration. In contrast to such “immigration countries” as the United States, Canada, and Australia that have extended citizenship to many new residents and encouraged their integration and assimilation, Korea remains a “non-immigration” country, much like Japan and many Western European countries, its policy objectives centering on controlling inflows, restricting long-term stays, discouraging permanent residence and limiting citizenship.
     

    Replies: @Lot

    With an estimated 200,000 illegal residents via visa overstay (the route of about half of US illegals) and 100,000 more legal migrant workers coming every year, it will get to a point where the illegals blend in, or become too important to influential employers to deport.

    I envy having South Korea’s immigration problem rather than our own, but they are far from a model case.

  168. @anon
    @anonymous

    Right. Walls don't work. That's why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian's wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Peter Akuleyev, @Buck Turgidson

    Not to mention the symbolic value of having the wall. Does anonymous really believe that low end Latin Americans, who probably have a 85 IQ at best (they’re not sending their best), will come up with an effective enough scheme to get over a big, beautiful wall? Does anonymous also not think that you can’t have border patrols along the wall? Heck, with technology being as cheap as it is you could probably have sensors that could send drones to perform a preliminary investigation and if it detects human movement, border patrol agents can be dispatched to the site.

    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It’s sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over. Sad!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Random Dude on the Internet


    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It’s sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over.
     
    It's not defeatism - the people doing it *want* the destruction of the West and so they haunt forums where they can blackpill people.

    I do the same thing (in reverse) on SJW forums.
    , @Jack Hanson
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    For examples, see any thread on Trump here.

  169. @Lot
    @Opinionator


    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.
     
    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist. Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder, @al gore rhythms

    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.

    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @whorefinder

    Blaming Jews for the fall of the West is like burning your neighbor for hexing you with an illness. It might feel good but won't do much to fix your illness. Whereas a dose of penicillin might just do the trick, or surgery ...

    Eastern Europe had always been a hostile place for Jews, and Western Europe more amenable. Ironically Germany before WWI had been fairly friendly towards Jews, there were many Jews who went to the gas chambers wearing their Iron Crosses thinking that their service for the Kaiser would save them. It did not. By contrast there were few Jews who sought out service in Russia.

    Eastern Europe went Communist because Stalin's forces rolled over them and conquered them after Hitler had conquered them first (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia) or had been defeated as Hitler's allies of convenience (Romania, Hungary). Just as they were conquered by the Ottomans, and then the Austrians and Russians before. In all cases the fundamental issue was military weakness caused by unfavorable geography, lack of military ability, and financial/material weakness. It sucks to be weak and poor and with little help in geography for defense. Places like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Romania were not exactly known for their friendliness to Communism in the 1930s. Which was imposed by Soviet Occupation after 1945.





    The fundamental problem is that most Western women want life as a Manson Family groupie*, and Muslims (and Africans) offer that option, in the way that too intelligent, too beta male Western Men do not.

    China has the same problems the West has with Muslim terrorism, there is hardly a month that goes by that does not feature a knife/vehicle attack or a homemade bomb. These things are well known in China in the "undernews" but rarely make it into the West and are heavily censored in China. Eventually some Communist Princeling will make a play for Emperor as the Defender of the Han against Hui (Han Muslims) and Uighur Muslim attacks and either succeed to the Heavenly Throne or provoke the Sitting Emperor to kick out or kill most of China's Muslims.

    *If women had no control over their fertility, depended on beta male provisioning for survival of themselves and their children, and had severe limits on bad-boy-apolooza, things would be different but that is not going to happen ever since there is zero likelihood of banning such simple technology.

    Rather than super-complicated neo-Copernican ideas of perfect circular orbits of planets with mini orbits within orbits, the most parsimonious explanation of why Eastern Europe is less Muslim afflicted is that their men treat women worse, and thus their women like them better. The treatment and status of women would have I'd bet an R^2 of about .8 in the attitudes and desire for substantial Non-White immavasion. That famous Irish Savant photo of the club in Sweden that only admits White women and African men with no shortage of either group is pretty telling. White women make out fine with mass Third World immigration, White men not so much and that's the entire point. There is no end to the ways in which White men and Women are the enemy post-pill and condom and either one or the other will be vanquished (or perhaps both).

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Lot
    @whorefinder


    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there
     
    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don't like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Rosamond Vincy, @Travis, @Mr. Anon

    , @Johann Ricke
    @whorefinder


    And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?
     
    Communism isn't unpopular in Eastern Europe. They don't like Russian occupation and they don't like the shortages, but they like the idea of Communism. A good chunk of Communist-era social programs and restrictions on private enterprise are still in existence, which is why their economies are not growing in leaps and bounds the way the East Asian tigers were, even decades after the fall of the Berlin wall. Note that this is despite the huge advantage of their close proximity to the US and Western European markets.

    And as to Jews, as cognitive elites, they were over-represented among the commissar class just as they were over-represented among the business and intellectual elites who suffered greatly under communism. The latter fled the region in great numbers, much like their less-persecuted non-Jewish brethren.

    Apart from the prophylactic wars we fought in Korea and Vietnam, Communism turned out great for us, though. We got some of the Eastern bloc's best minds - the more notable of which were people like the founders of Intel and Google, who would never have left their homelands if they weren't such basket cases, thanks to Communism.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @whorefinder

    Many of the former Soviet-era Russian jews who didn't immigrate to israel, immigrated to the US. These jews received a special preference because they WERE jews. Many of them now appear on the news and in newspapers calling any American racist who suggests we institute a preference for Middle Eastern Christians, who are having their heads chopped off.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  170. @anon
    @anon

    There is one flaw in your analogy sir. In the early 20th century Ireland was a part of the United Kingdom. This is not the case for the Muslim invaders. Kind of a home-grown terrorism vs an imported one.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    Which leads to the question of differing terrorist motivations:

    The IRA’s motivations were clear: withdrawal of British rule from all of Ireland and thus independence of the entire island. The British could have ended the terrorism by acceding to the IRA’s demands, though to their credit they didn’t fold and were pretty firm.

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries. The British these days are so womanly they are rolling over and acceding to both.

    One can’t help but point out again that Poland, Japan, Hungary aren’t having any Muslim terrorist attacks. Guess what? They haven’t taken in any Muslims.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @syonredux

  171. A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK’s recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don’t go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don’t have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump’s poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than “Muslim” immigration.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @BRF
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Good points Mr Akuleyev

    Self combustion seems to be a Sunni specialty, are there known examples of similar Shia contributions?

    , @for-the-record
    @Peter Akuleyev

    All very good points. Absent a time machine, there is no short-term solution, and the long-term outlook (for Western Europe at least) is even more depressing.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Peter Akuleyev

    very good points, especially the last one. Although taking the global perspective North Africans are by far not the only problem. Look at China, India, South East Asia, Pakistan, East Africa, West Africa. Though Shiites really are a much smaller problem than Sunnis. Iranian immigrants are good, especially those who left Iran because of the the Islamic Revolution.

    , @anon
    @Peter Akuleyev


    1. The UK’s recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.
     
    they are all caused by immigration of incompatible groups - refugees, legal immigrants, illehal immigrants - it's all the same

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero.
     
    right - immigration, legal, illegal or refugee

    4. Trump’s poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US.
     
    yes it does - because the threat is caused by immigration of incompatible groups

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @Parbes
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?"

    Because, in addition to being Muslims, they are mostly Arab-Negro mongrels.

    An ancillary reason: Their ancestors in previous centuries had a history of invading and/or raiding and pillaging parts of Western Europe - the Iberian peninsula, Southern France, and parts of Italy, to be exact. What's more, THEY AND THEIR CLERICS/LEADERS ARE AWARE OF THAT. So in a sense, they are just recapitulating a (for them) time-honored historical practice.

    Replies: @daniel le mouche

    , @Rod1963
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Iranians are not desirable for the fact they are Muslim and have no loyalty to the U.S. whatsoever. They are only nice because they're numbers are small and they are Shiaa and hated by the Sunni community.

    We don't need or want Muslims. They are not a value added immigrant group. They have their own country, let them stay there.

  172. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moshe

    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.

    As I keep on pointing out to you, it’s actually quite irrational. In exchange for a little chaos , Muslims are being given the opportunity to both invade Europe and to exterminate Christianity in the Middle East….

    Really, this is the most glorious moment for Islam since the Rightly Guided Caliphs.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.

    But that would also mean that the Brits would close their gates to Islam…..and that would rob Islam of its grand moment…..

    Remember, it’s invade the world, invite the world. Can’t have one without the other…

  173. @anon
    @anonymous

    Right. Walls don't work. That's why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian's wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Peter Akuleyev, @Buck Turgidson

    The Great Wall was a notorious failure, horrible example.

  174. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Buzz Mohawk, @Clyde

    Tonight’s event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    …and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    MMMM, clip-paste….Invade the world, invite the world.

    I assume that things will settle down once St Peter’s and St Paul’s are converted to mosques, and every Muslim has his quota of pubescent European girls to rape……

  175. @Kylie
    @carol

    "The euros’ stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded"

    No, these are true believers. They are not terrified, they are deluded.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Buzz Mohawk

    They are deluded and terrified — by their own governments.

    Speakers and writers in Europe can pretty easily come up against hate-speech laws and such. Write the wrong thing about non-European people, and you will be investigated. It is even harder there than it is in the US for citizens to come upon frank statements in media.

    Since most people in any group are conformists and followers, laws like that make it extra difficult for heretical truth to spread.

    The delusion is perpetuated by law.

    If we in America don’t aggressively protect The First Amendment, if we don’t categorically reject every proposal of anything resembling a hate-speech law, we will find ourselves in the same mental bind.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry, Buzz, I should have been more specific. I think the elites in government, academia and the media are deluded true believers. The rest probably are terrified or, at the very least, cowed into submission.

    To this day, after eight years, even my closest friends don't know I post here. But I'm not cowed, just cautious!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  176. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @Opinionator

    After Brexit happened, he basically said, "I've done all I wanted to achieve" and stepped down. Then he went back to being a leader after UKIP collapsed and then left again in a matter of weeks, resulting in UKIP collapsing again. A totally bungled operation that gave people little or no confidence in UKIP. So now anyone conservative is throwing their lot in with the Tories who are being led by the least competent Prime Minister since the late 1970s.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Thanks. It’s inexplicable behavior. Does he truly want Brexit to succeed or not?

  177. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    It is imposing a cost on the British people for their aggression against Muslims in the Middle East. Basic tit for tat game strategy. Highly rational.

    The strategy does assume that the British are rational and sentient and sovereign. If they were, they would cease their aggression there, direct and indirect.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moshe

    Ah, you’re overthinking things. You might say such a thing of Thinkers like BLadin but you’re giving these small fry way too much credit.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    , @whorefinder
    @Moshe

    Opinionator is a paid troll, probably Saudi in origin, or perhaps Media Matters. Everything bad about Muslims is always caused by our bombing the Middle East, according to him. Islam is a religion of peace, I tell you!

  178. @lavoisier
    @Anonymous

    The population had a chance to stop the madness in France and they elected the traitorous bastard Macron. The people who choose to be manipulated by their hostile elites deserve the hells they have brought on themselves.

    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Parbes, @Joe Schmoe

    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?

    Increasingly, it’s looking like the answer is “never”. Or, if not that, then “when he’s already hopelessly outnumbered and overrun”.

  179. Meanwhile in Poland… pretty quiet night / week / month / year / decade.

  180. @whorefinder
    @anon

    Which leads to the question of differing terrorist motivations:

    The IRA's motivations were clear: withdrawal of British rule from all of Ireland and thus independence of the entire island. The British could have ended the terrorism by acceding to the IRA's demands, though to their credit they didn't fold and were pretty firm.

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries. The British these days are so womanly they are rolling over and acceding to both.

    One can't help but point out again that Poland, Japan, Hungary aren't having any Muslim terrorist attacks. Guess what? They haven't taken in any Muslims.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Opinionator


    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1).
     
    Nope. Muslims, especially as their percentage of the population has grown, have increasingly called for national sharia law take overs.


    Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.
     
    You're imputing logic upon goat molesters. And you also fail to note their attacks have only opened borders FURTHER in the countries they attack. Even simpletons like these 9th century barbarians can see they are gaining power the more they push for it.
    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.
     
    Nah. The SJW narrative demands that we take in more Muslims after terrorist attacks. If we don't, that means that we are surrendering to "hate."

    Replies: @Lurker

  181. To me, the logical thing to do, to stop the situation from worsening, would be to halt all islamic immigration until we can find out what is going on.

    Surely I can’t be the first person to have thought of this?

  182. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    Good points Mr Akuleyev

    Self combustion seems to be a Sunni specialty, are there known examples of similar Shia contributions?

  183. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    “We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more”

    Which you’re hoping leads to what? Ethnic cleansing?

    “Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be”

    Okay, then Muslims kill and/or push out the globalists, and America is preserved. As a Muslim nation? Is that the plan?

  184. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    These Muslim terrorists are pushing their own form of globalism – a global Islamic caliphate. It’s a war between two globalisms, and were stuck in the Middle, like Poland in WWII.

  185. The British people can voice their discontent at massive uncontrolled third world immigration by voting UKIP this coming Thursday – a viable, non-fascist, sensible policied political party.

    But they won’t.

    • Replies: @englishmike
    @Anonymous


    The British people can voice their discontent at massive uncontrolled third world immigration by voting UKIP this coming Thursday – a viable, non-fascist, sensible policied political party.
    But they won’t.

     

    One reason most of them won't is the "first-past-the-post" electoral system, which means that the total number of votes cast for a party's candidates does not translate into a corresponding number of Members of Parliament being elected.

    For example, I live in a "safe Tory constituency" – a geographical voting area which always elects a Tory by a very large majority of votes. If I want a Tory MP I know I shall get one without needing to vote. If I vote for the UKIP candidate, or anyone else, I know it is a wasted vote.

    As several newspapers reported after the 2015 General Election:


    While there were major Conservative and SNP victories in the 2015 election, everyone else on the political spectrum was grumbling about the first-past-the-post voting system.

    Ukip won 12.6 per cent of the vote and only managed to get one MP into parliament. By contrast, the Scottish National Party only got 4.7 per cent of the vote and returned 56 MPs. The Liberal Democrats won 7.8 per cent giving them 8 MPs.

    So what would today’s new parliament look like if we had a proportionally representative system?

    Under a proportional voting system the SNP’s landslide of 56 seats would have been reduced to 31 and the Lib Dems would not have been wiped out, retaining 51 seats instead of eight.

    Ukip would become the third biggest party in government with 82 seats and the Greens would have won 24 - a far cry from those parties' current tally of one seat each.


    From "Here's how the election results would look under a proportional voting system" (The Independent)

    However, even under a proportional system UKIP would have been the third largest party in parliament with limited influence on immigration policy or anything else.

    By contrast, Americans in 2016 had the option of electing a president on the basis of his declared policies on such important matters as "massive uncontrolled third world immigration".

    Let's see how that turns out.
  186. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Buzz Mohawk, @Clyde

    It’s time to stop using one half of Invade/Invite to argue against our right and responsibility to protect ourselves.

    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.

    Every other race on Earth puts its own kind ahead of others, and every other race has invaded others at one time or another. Repeated retorts like “…and the murders we have committed in the Middle East” are getting old.

    They would invade us anyway, if given the chance, as they have done in the past.

    • Agree: Auntie Analogue
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Let's grant the objective to "not invite". Does invading advance that objective or make it harder to accomplish?

    More generally, is invading a sensible action--taking all costs and benefits into account--in terms of the English or the Americans putting their own kind ahead of others?

    , @Randal
    @Buzz Mohawk


    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.
     
    The smart thing is not to invade them in the first place, because it's stupid and costly to do so, and not to allow mass immigration because mass immigration is inherently harmful, whether it's muslims or non-muslim foreigners.
  187. @Daniel Chieh
    @Yan Shen

    Europe wants to die. She's successfully implementing her strategy. Stop disturbing her.

    To be more exact, the elite seems to have that as their plan and much of the population appears to largely agree. There's nothing left to say, really. The world wars have killed all of the real men.

    Its really sad.There are tons of effective strategies, but none of them are being implemented. The will is wanting.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @SteveRogers42

    Dan, the theory about the world wars killing off the best stock seems plausible when you look at Germany and Western Europe, but Russia and the East suffered horrendous casualties as well, and there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of high-T alphas in those places. Also, the most cucked nation on the continent is Sweden, and they haven’t lost a single soldier in combat for the last 150 years.

    I’m not saying that the great cullings of the 20th century had no effect, but there’s got to be something else going on there, as well.

  188. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    Am I missing something here?

    Corbyn now up to 19% to be PM on June 30. Current polls show Tories expect to pad on another net 40 seats on top of their current ~100 seat lead over Labour. Polls routinely understate Tory support. In the very unlikely event of no Tory majority, the minor parties hate Corbyn and would coalition only with their own PM or a non-Corbyn from either major party.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @anon

    That’s not quite right.
    While the Tories do have 101 more MPs than Labour, their majority in the House of Commons is only 17. A loss of 9 Seats could lose them Government.
    None of the other Parties have repudiated Labour, and all of them have left their options open regarding Corbyn.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/

    • Replies: @Lot
    @anon


    While the Tories do have 101 more MPs than Labour, their majority in the House of Commons is only 17. A loss of 9 Seats could lose them Government.
    None of the other Parties have repudiated Labour, and all of them have left their options open regarding Corbyn.
     
    It is the largest party that gets first crack at forming a government. The Ulster parties are already a few easy votes for the Conservatives.

    However, I think the Tories would support a LibDem PM over letting the LibDems support Corbyn.

    I am not worried and think betting against Corbyn will be an easy $100 (not fun risking $450 to do so however!).

    Tories outperformed 70 out of 70 polls in the month before the 2015 election! In fact out of what looks to be 200 polls, not a single one had them higher than +6, but they won by +6.6. And plenty of polls had Labour ahead.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#2015

    Britain Elects forecast has about 12 Tory pickups at 90%+ certainty, not a single Labour one even close to that.
  189. There was the Lindt cafe massacre in Sydney which was an Iranian –

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

    The suburb of Sandringham here in Auckland where you have hipster cafes next to halal butchers, the youngsters like the edginess of it. White people are crazy.

  190. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Opinionator

    It's time to stop using one half of Invade/Invite to argue against our right and responsibility to protect ourselves.

    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.

    Every other race on Earth puts its own kind ahead of others, and every other race has invaded others at one time or another. Repeated retorts like "...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East" are getting old.

    They would invade us anyway, if given the chance, as they have done in the past.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal

    Let’s grant the objective to “not invite”. Does invading advance that objective or make it harder to accomplish?

    More generally, is invading a sensible action–taking all costs and benefits into account–in terms of the English or the Americans putting their own kind ahead of others?

  191. @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

    >>What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.

    Problem being, that during the entire 19th and 20th century, and up until this very minute, Northern Ireland was/is as much a part of the UK as Westminster. Northern Irish are UK citizens as much as Enoch Powell was.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Daniel H

    This was, and is, the problem.
    They were allowed to form ghettos in Glasgow, Manchester, and Liverpool, form street gangs to terrorise the non catholic population, while their leaders continuously chastised the indigenous population about sectarian prejudice and bigotry.
    The authorities took the newcomers side at all times, and those 3 cities were turned into violent, corrupt dumps.

    Sound familiar?
    That's because the same thing has been happening in all the the cities of the mainland U.K. with South Asians and Blacks for the last 50+ years

  192. Is that the most famous place in Europe?

    What an autistic concept? Do you see the world in terms of lists and scores? You were an accountant, right?

  193. ‘…..there will be rivers of blood….’.

  194. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    There will probably be an incremental increase in the kind of state repression that is called “Security”. Other than that – you are right – nothing will change.

    If we do anything to stop terrorism, the terrorists win.

  195. @Daniel H
    @anonymous

    >>Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Well, let's just add another 2 feet to the wall, and on and on if necessary.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Along with Active Denial Systems, National Guard vehicle and aerial patrols, volunteer sheriff’s posses, etc. Prioritize the Great Wall of Trump as a national security issue.

    THE national security issue.

  196. @Daniel Chieh
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @European-American

    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.

    The Aum Shinrikyo cult was pretty incompetent. Their total victim count was something like twenty people. One psychotic Korean can out perform that in an afternoon.

    If, however, you are talking about the military junta that governed Japan during WWII, you have a point.

  197. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Daniel Chieh

    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I'm worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    No question about it. Just consider how much damage one smart terrorist was able to inflict (Bin Laden). I’m worried that something like that (or much worse) will happen again.

    hmm… CNN pitched this idea tonight. Namely that the ‘low tech’ British attacks are a sign that the State has rooted out more effective and dangerous terrorist attacks. Leaving only knives and rental vehicles.

    Not to mention the idea that the current attacks are due to ISIS, which isn’t who they — the Brit Muslims — are. So the Brit establishment Muslims are not responsible for the deplorable Muslims. Not to mention that they aren’t immigrants anyway. And the fact they are not more integrated into society is the fault of bigoted whites. Not to mention they need more money to provide services. &c.

    Of course, it is all absurd, but facts have no bearing on any of this. The globalist agenda is immune to evidence.

  198. @Opinionator
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don’t want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Lot, @Whiskey

    Yes, turning France into Algeria on the Rhone is so good for Jews. Its so good, that France in a few years will be totally “Jundenrein” something that not even Hitler could achieve. Or maybe, just maybe, HBD explains it all. To be blunt, there is something very, very wrong with White people — our women.

    Whites are evolved from an HBD perspective to treat our women well, by being Beta Males. Beta Maledom is innate and a massively sexually selected characteristic. This worked well before the pill, condom, welfare, increased female earnings, and anonymous urban living made White Beta Maledom about as adaptive as the Lindy and 23 Skiddo.

    White women, and ESPECIALLY White Upper Class women, have decided their men are lacking, and no longer needing or wanting Beta Male Provisioning, have decided to replace us with violent, low IQ Third Worlders, especially Africans and Muslims.

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    If you put most White women somewhere on the spectrum between Cackle Pants Hillary and her HATE HATE HATE of you deplorables, and Amanda Palmer, common law wife of Neil Gaiman, acclaimed author with millions of global fans, who wrote a fawning “love poem” to Dhokar Tsarnaev, you would not be far wrong. After all, the nurses at Tsarnaev’s hospital allegedly got into a fight over who would take care of that sexy, wounded bad boy. Women around the Tsarnaev’s knew who they were, and that’s why they were all over them. The older dead one even has an Alpha Widow to go along with his actual widow.

    The rapes, the murder, the slavery, the misery are a feature not a bug of Islam and Muslims and most White women WANT WANT WANT it like an extra dose of a fat-hiding burqua and that sexy male dominance. Women despise male intelligence as much as they prize male violence and dominance. Heck the more Muslims rape and murder in the West the more White women defend them. To anyone who is depressingly familiar with female nature (and nothing is more depressing) then this is absolutely predictable.

    If the story of the West up to the 1950’s was utter dominance based on massing lots of industrious, hard working, willing to die in shock battle or wars of attrition, not to mention cooperative and high trust men, based on the rewards of a woman freely choosing them in exchange for beta male provisioning, the story of Western collapse is that of White women deciding they’ll go all-in for the Bad Boy experience and viewing their men as obsolete.

    TL:DR, the pill and condom make the West obsolete and abolished.

    Thought experiment — if every White dude on the planet resembled a cast member from Sons of Anarchy, how quickly would Muslims in the West be expelled, along with most non-Whites? Two months? Three at most?

    This attack almost certainly puts Corbyn over the top, as most White women WANT to surrender to the most dominant male group which is Muslims, and Corbyn is the candidate of surrender to Islam.

    Bottom line: Harley Quinn, literally a serial killer groupie, is a “feminist hero.” If the West is to survive anywhere it is imperative that almost all White men treat our women as a biker fully patched member would, or worse. Its what they want and the only way to get them to buy in to siding with us instead of the stronger horse.

  199. @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    Just imagine how Parisian tourist could have felt yesterday while visiting iconic Trump Tower.

    “Sacrebleu, four thousand miles away, and somehow I feel like I’m stiill at home”:

  200. @Anonymous
    Europe has voted for suicide. The population had its spirit beaten down by vicious anti-White "elites".

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon

    Audio-visual propaganda in the form of MSM entertainment / information is unsurpassed in its ability to sway the masses. Not for nothing is the stranglehold maintained at all costs.

  201. @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    Well, we’d look at the bright side, now wouldn’t we. A European city or two being nuked would create more living space for third-world immigrants. Win-win!

  202. @whorefinder
    @Lot


    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.
     
    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.
     
    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Lot, @Johann Ricke, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Blaming Jews for the fall of the West is like burning your neighbor for hexing you with an illness. It might feel good but won’t do much to fix your illness. Whereas a dose of penicillin might just do the trick, or surgery …

    Eastern Europe had always been a hostile place for Jews, and Western Europe more amenable. Ironically Germany before WWI had been fairly friendly towards Jews, there were many Jews who went to the gas chambers wearing their Iron Crosses thinking that their service for the Kaiser would save them. It did not. By contrast there were few Jews who sought out service in Russia.

    Eastern Europe went Communist because Stalin’s forces rolled over them and conquered them after Hitler had conquered them first (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia) or had been defeated as Hitler’s allies of convenience (Romania, Hungary). Just as they were conquered by the Ottomans, and then the Austrians and Russians before. In all cases the fundamental issue was military weakness caused by unfavorable geography, lack of military ability, and financial/material weakness. It sucks to be weak and poor and with little help in geography for defense. Places like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Romania were not exactly known for their friendliness to Communism in the 1930s. Which was imposed by Soviet Occupation after 1945.

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    The fundamental problem is that most Western women want life as a Manson Family groupie*, and Muslims (and Africans) offer that option, in the way that too intelligent, too beta male Western Men do not.

    China has the same problems the West has with Muslim terrorism, there is hardly a month that goes by that does not feature a knife/vehicle attack or a homemade bomb. These things are well known in China in the “undernews” but rarely make it into the West and are heavily censored in China. Eventually some Communist Princeling will make a play for Emperor as the Defender of the Han against Hui (Han Muslims) and Uighur Muslim attacks and either succeed to the Heavenly Throne or provoke the Sitting Emperor to kick out or kill most of China’s Muslims.

    *If women had no control over their fertility, depended on beta male provisioning for survival of themselves and their children, and had severe limits on bad-boy-apolooza, things would be different but that is not going to happen ever since there is zero likelihood of banning such simple technology.

    Rather than super-complicated neo-Copernican ideas of perfect circular orbits of planets with mini orbits within orbits, the most parsimonious explanation of why Eastern Europe is less Muslim afflicted is that their men treat women worse, and thus their women like them better. The treatment and status of women would have I’d bet an R^2 of about .8 in the attitudes and desire for substantial Non-White immavasion. That famous Irish Savant photo of the club in Sweden that only admits White women and African men with no shortage of either group is pretty telling. White women make out fine with mass Third World immigration, White men not so much and that’s the entire point. There is no end to the ways in which White men and Women are the enemy post-pill and condom and either one or the other will be vanquished (or perhaps both).

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Whiskey


    That famous Irish Savant photo of the club in Sweden that only admits White women and African men with no shortage of either group is pretty telling. White women make out fine with mass Third World immigration
     
    http://tinyurl.com/y74dr4fp
    That club is in Finland (or was) and the Photo is at Lawrence Auster's site and the Irish Savant's
  203. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @anon


    it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century
     
    You assume the alternative would be no immigration. Capital demands cheap labor, so just as likely the Irish who did not come would have been replaced by Africans and South Asians.

    Replies: @anon

    Completely unlikely to import Africans and South Asians in 1900.
    My point is that the Catholic Irish were [and are] a volatile and unassimilable people, and the response of The State of the time was to pander and accomodate them, to the detriment of the local people.
    The only thing that’s changed is the religion and the race of the State’s new pets.

  204. @bored identity
    Feel uncomfortable about the series of unfortunate vehicular jihad events?

    Keep Calm and Eat Your Soy!


    Lawrence of Tribalia echo-chambers collective fear about real clear & present danger:


    https://twitter.com/LHSummers/status/870394334373437441

    Replies: @e, @Kyle McKenna, @EvolutionistX, @dr kill

    The global system he refers to is the System Which Must Not Be Named.

  205. @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    I’ve been visiting Paris for decades and you could see it beginning back in the mid 1980s. Ten years ago it was out of control (“no-go zones”) in many areas, and by now we’d be at a tipping point even if traitors weren’t in power.

  206. The Police shot all three terrorists dead within eight minutes of the attack starting, maybe the Police are learning.

  207. @Cool Shoes
    Time to start mocking these Euros for their cowardice.
    After all, wouldn't you start mocking a man who's wife has affair after affair and he doesn't have balls enough to divorce her?
    Same thing.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @SteveRogers42

    wouldn’t you start mocking a man who’s wife has affair after affair and he doesn’t have balls enough to divorce her?

    But what if before, a few years ago when he tried to divorce her and you went to his house and beat him to a pulp and burned his house down and said “if you ever try to divorce her again, I will come back and do it again.” In addition, every day you say he must write on a provided chalkboard an apology for trying to divorce her. Then you start writing books every year about the divorce attempt and make him buy and read them. Then you hire a secrity guard to live in his house to keep an eye on things. If he shows any sings of disrepect to his wife, the guard will make him spend a day in the doghouse to keep him in line. Then you mock him.

  208. @Hyperborean
    Isn't it interesting how often when these types of attacks happen the secret police tells us that the perpetrators were known jihadist radicals. If the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don't they do anything to prevent it? Is it simply out of "respecting their rights", cowardice or something more sinister?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @al gore rhythms, @anon, @Expletive Deleted

    Mark Steyn did a good article on the numbers of the most dangerous ‘extremists’ the security services are having to monitor at the moment, and the number of Muslims who similar views but have not been deemed quite as dangerous.. It’s worth a read if you haven’t seen it. Even a few thousand people is more than the security services can properly manage, so there are many Muslims who are not considered a huge, huge threat that just slip through the net in favour of the biggest, most obvious threats. So a lot of these attackers prove to be people who were on the radar but only just.

  209. @TheJester
    @rw95

    Absolutely right ... nothing will change. There will be more concerts and other public events to express everyone's solidarity with everyone else. There will be public huggings (rather than hangings). There will be gigabytes of tweets offering condolences to the victims and their families with pleas to remind everyone that not all Muslims are terrorists.

    The above, of course, is useless virtue signaling. It makes people feel better about something they will do nothing about. MI5 got the problem right after Manchester: There are already up to 20,000 suspected terrorists hiding within Britain's Muslim immigrant communities ... and it can only monitor and track 3,000 of them at a time. Given the relatively high Muslim birth rate, this ratio will get worse as years go by. In short, it is too late to doing anything about Islamic terrorism in Britain or anywhere else in Western Europe.

    This should have been foreseen ... but maybe not. This is the new European society populated by radical feminists and gelded "cucks" making concrete progress in establishing a New World Order. As a generalization, the anti-natalist New World Order is led by childless feminists and male homosexuals who for years have been arranging, via mass immigration, the intentional atomization of society with the most diverse social and religious demographic they could organize. A permanent but tolerable level of terrorism on the part of Muslim immigrant communities is now de rigueur across the entire continent.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    It is of course not too late to completely solve the problem, in principle. Special wartime laws that would allow for mass deportation of all citizens who are descended from migrants from Islamic countries.

    Needless to say, that is completely beyond the pale of discourse in Europe or America. Perhaps when these attacks happen with a latency of once a day or more than once a day instead of once every 10-20 days the Overton window can slide a bit.

  210. @Wilkey
    At some point if the government doesn't start defending the interests of native Britons and start reducing levels of Muslim immigration the people will start to take matters into their own hands. It may not be happening as soon as you'd think it would, but it's not a matter of if, but when. Rotherham, Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, the tube bombings...A limit will be reached.

    Replies: @Dave, @SteveRogers42, @Frau Katze, @lavoisier

  211. @kyle
    The eiffel tower is the most famous place in europe, not st. peters.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

    “The eiffel tower is the most famous place in europe, not st. peters”

    That’s probably true, and quite an achievement in a continent with so many important, beautiful and historic buildings. I wonder why it would be the Eiffel Tower, rather than St Paul’s, St Peter’s, the Parthenon?

    It certainly has a shape which means it couldn’t be mistaken for anything else.

  212. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    All very good points. Absent a time machine, there is no short-term solution, and the long-term outlook (for Western Europe at least) is even more depressing.

  213. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Perspective
    "It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?"

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn't the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @European-American, @Anon, @anon, @Bill B.

    My wife likes to travel in Europe and I am an indulgent husband, so we go to parts or Europe not yet transformed. We did a final trip to see the Louvre about 5 years ago, and now if we go to France it is to resorts and restaurants in the countryside. As for urban travels we will stick to Hungary, Slovakia, etc.

  214. @Yan Shen
    Here's the question that I'm posing to the liberals on Slate mindlessly parroting standard liberal talking points that they've been fed most of their lives.

    "There have been 3 terrorist attacks in the UK in the past 2 months alone. How far back would we have to go in a country like South Korea or Japan to find 3 such terrorist attacks?"

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

    Japan — Early 1930’s. Political assassinations by Black Dragon Society.

  215. @gcochran
    @neutral

    "They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same."

    It's worth a try.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    It certainly is a head-scratcher why elitist Establishment institutions like those are never hit…

    The Bank of England and various pop celebrities’ homes seem curiously immune, as well.

  216. @streamfortyseven
    Pack them up, ship them out, and demolish their mosques. Until they are removed, the terror will continue. They're not fit to live in civilized society.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @RadicalCenter

    “The suitcase or the coffin.”

  217. @Cortes
    I wonder when someone in the public eye is going to compare the snowflake response from the Metropolitan Police of London (Run! Hide! Tell!) to the way things were done back in the day in both Scotland and England/Wales...

    Compulsory weapons practice so ordinary people could deal confidently with potential threats to the common weal.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Expletive Deleted

  218. @Opinionator
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East.

    Replies: @anon, @syonredux, @Buzz Mohawk, @Clyde

    You are a dumb, self blaming, self hater. Hater of his own people too. Pffftttt….. I never insult other posters but you are an ill educated blight. Troll, you are joining Corvinus in the Unz kill file.

  219. @Cool Shoes
    Time to start mocking these Euros for their cowardice.
    After all, wouldn't you start mocking a man who's wife has affair after affair and he doesn't have balls enough to divorce her?
    Same thing.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @SteveRogers42

    Gotcha covered:

  220. @Anonymous
    The mosques are barracks.

    Universalist white westerners just don't get it. They relentless project their worldview onto the scorpion.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    That is an excellent line, sir. I hope you don’t mind if I appropriate it.

  221. @anon
    WHAT? The first news website I visit in my daily routine is unz. Is there another terrorist attack in London?

    Replies: @El Dato

    My thoughts exactly.

    Actually I was planning on reading more on Oliver Stone’s interview with Putin later in the day, but for now I … must … fight … ants in the house.

    (My name is not Leiningen)

  222. Thoughts and prayers here , to Allah of course , wouldn’t want to offend anyone . I wonder if there is a service where for a small monthly fee one could have a small stuffed animal or candle or some plastic flowers delivered to the site of the latest Muzzie Mayhem ?

  223. @Anon
    In a month starts the tour de france. It's actually the perfect target for terrorists. Watched live by millions ans no real distance to the riders.
    I think it's just a matter of time before someone blows up live on tv.

    Replies: @EvolutionistX

    Boston Marathon bombing came close. Similar event.

  224. @bored identity
    Feel uncomfortable about the series of unfortunate vehicular jihad events?

    Keep Calm and Eat Your Soy!


    Lawrence of Tribalia echo-chambers collective fear about real clear & present danger:


    https://twitter.com/LHSummers/status/870394334373437441

    Replies: @e, @Kyle McKenna, @EvolutionistX, @dr kill

    Clear and present danger to an orderly global system is the entire reason people voted for Trump.

  225. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    this is just another incident in a long series of incidents which most likely has not ended yet. So why should anything change?

  226. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    Walls don’t work.

    And his holiness Pope Francis believes in building bridges, not walls.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @englishmike

    With the exception of some of the biggest walls I ever have seen around Vatican City

  227. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    very good points, especially the last one. Although taking the global perspective North Africans are by far not the only problem. Look at China, India, South East Asia, Pakistan, East Africa, West Africa. Though Shiites really are a much smaller problem than Sunnis. Iranian immigrants are good, especially those who left Iran because of the the Islamic Revolution.

  228. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    That’s why you put electric wire on the top.

  229. @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII.

    I didn’t know the demographics of Singapore changed so much recently, so thanks for the info. As for Indian participation in WWII, we should keep in mind that the Japanese, while being very hostile to the Chinese, advertised themselves as well-wishers of Indians (whether or not they were sincere is a different question.) They wanted the Indians on their side, at least for a while, to stir up trouble in India against British rule, and possibly even help the Japanese “liberate” India (and then fall into the Japanese lap, I guess.) The Japanese let the Indian nationalist leader, Subhash Chanbdra Bose land in Singapore and recruit an army from among the Indian POWs. Given that many of these POWs had seen their British officers surrender pusillanimously to the Japanese, they were completely disillusioned about the superiority of the British, and many of them enthusiastically flocked to Bose’s Indian National Army (which helped the Japanese invade eastern India, but eventually lost and was disbanded.)

    I wonder if these events increased antagonism the local Chinese (including LKY) felt for the local Indians, because the former were most definitely oppressed by the Japanese. Do you have any info on this?

  230. @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    Lee Kuan Yew’s views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material.

    Do you have any citations for this? If LKY thought so, presumably he thought Chinese made better CEOs than Indians? The stereotype seems to have been reversed in the US though; many Fortune 500 companies have Indian CEOs, many more so than East Asians.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Numinous

    Any casual reading of his history displays it. He was explicitly racist, even against other Chinese. It was only the consummate failure of the British against the Japanese that made him decide that white men should not lead everything; he remained convinced that whites were generally more likely to be successful to the end of his life if they did not self-destruct - and he saw multiculturalism to be a weakness, or at best, a dangerous potential to be carefully managed.

    By his opinion, it did seem like whites self-destructed.

  231. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    You’re that crazy Jew who fancies himself a political analyst, aren’t you. Go hit on Louise Mensch, you’d make a perfect couple.

  232. @Daniel Chieh
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Well, to be fair, Japan does get doomsday cults of much greater efficiency when they do decide to go and kill people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @European-American

    The 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack was the deadliest incident to occur in Japan since the end of World War II. The five coordinated attacks killed 12 people and injured 50. (Because it evaporates so quickly, sarin presents an immediate but short-lived threat.)

    There were also a few other attacks and murders by Aum Shinrikyo, but all in all I’d hardly call that “much greater efficiency”…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo#Incidents_before_1995

    Worst terrorist strikes–worldwide, compiled by Wm. Robert Johnston:
    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

    Unless you’re referencing the crimes of imperial Japan?… Those are indeed in the same league as some of humanity’s worst.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#List_of_major_crimes

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    Ah, my apologies. I thought the Aum Shinrikyo attacks were a lot deadlier.

  233. @e
    @syonredux

    One witness described the men as "of Mediterranean or Asian colouring."

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying "Middle Eastern."

    Replies: @anon, @englishmike, @Bugg, @greysquirrell

    In the UK, Asian is what they call sub-continentals.

  234. @anon
    @rw95

    Only if you bet me that leftists and the media will say this has nothing to do with islam.

    Care for a bit o sharia wif your fish n chips , mate ?

    If we don't allow in millions of "asians" and "mediteranians " , how the hell are we going to get kebabs and asian takeaway ? I mean the recipes are secret , difficult to recreate and totally unavailable on the internet.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Frau Katze

    Not to mention the cultural appropriation if whites tried to cook Asian food. It’s just not acceptable!

  235. @Lot
    @Opinionator


    Jewish influence is stronger in the West than in Eastern Europe.
     
    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist. Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder, @al gore rhythms

    The Jewish demographic in Eastern Europe has diminished a great deal since about 1940.

    There will probably be quite a large section in your local library dealing with this if you are interested.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @al gore rhythms

    The fiction section, right?

    , @peterike
    @al gore rhythms


    The Jewish demographic in Eastern Europe has diminished a great deal since about 1940.

     

    Well in Ukraine at least, they are a tiny, tiny minority, yet a large majority of the oligarchs who own the whole damn country. Is it like that elsewhere?
  236. @whorefinder
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn't some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You'll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she'll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    Replies: @European-American, @Frau Katze, @Kyle McKenna, @Anonymous

    True, but in Western Europe the barriers to such “brave native white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion” seem high.

    It’s no coincidence that strong right-wing or populist stances are often defended by Jewish intellectuals, or gays, or women (off the top of my head Zemmour, Finkielkraut, Pim Fortuyn, Florian Philippot, Frauke Petry, Margaret Thatcher (?). You can’t easily call such people Nazis, so they can express ideas that would not otherwise be allowed to be aired.

    The US (and the UK?) don’t have quite as strict a prohibition, since they were never fascist.

    (by the way “La Pen” is a handy shorthand which I hadn’t run across, nice! But what would we call Marion… Le Pen, La Pen, … Bébé Pen? Lait Pen?)

  237. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @Daniel Chieh

    Europeans today are living in a post-colonial world. Many of these countries, especially the UK and France, used to have impressive empires that spanned the globe that are now totally gone, with the exception of a couple islands here and there. To live in a society where they're past their peak, it probably doesn't seem like it is worth saving. The best days of their country are long since gone. It also explains why Eastern European countries have been dealing with immigration better than Western European countries: they finally have their countries back after centuries of being conquered and don't want to give it up yet again to a foreign power.

    America is a little different because we're still in Pax Americana so people are a little more aware of what is at stake, which is why Trump got elected.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Frau Katze

    But America will catch up with Europe’s Muslim numbers if someone doesn’t stop them from coming.

    Trump can’t even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Frau Katze


    Trump can’t even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.
     
    I think we're going to have a big win at the Supreme Court and see the executive orders reinstated. Could be as soon as three months from now.

    Replies: @prole, @Thea

  238. @anon
    @Opinionator

    Lets assume you are right. Just for argument's sake. They still couldn't kill British people in Britain if they couldn't get INSIDE into Britain. So it really is the open immigration policies as the cause.

    Replies: @Randal

    Mass immigration makes it easy for our acts of aggression to trigger acts of retaliatory violence here, because there are significant pools of people in place here who sympathise with the victims of our military aggression, ready to act. But it isn’t true that no mass immigration means no retaliation.

    In the C19th and before, European nations could happily slaughter Africans and Asians completely safe from retaliation in our own countries, because the means for such retaliation simply were not available to the victims. As technological advance and the spread of the industrial revolution and its consequences has shrunk the world, making travel easier and multiplying the killing force available to individuals and small groups, this has become ever less true. In the mid-C20th, the resistance to the imposition of Israel on the ME led to plenty of terrorism by mostly secularist, socialist and nationalist groups, without much need for mass immigration to western states. The world has become a lot smaller since then.

    Ending mass immigration should be done because mass migration is inherently harmful, not out of fear of terrorism. It will also reduce the amount of terrorism our policies generate. But it won’t end it, that’s for sure. Maybe nothing will, completely. But the correct policies nevertheless are:

    Controlled borders and limited migration
    No more interventionist wars of aggression and regime change interference
    Strong military, used only for genuine defence, not “preventive” aggression dressed up as defence

    • Agree: Opinionator
  239. @Wilkey
    At some point if the government doesn't start defending the interests of native Britons and start reducing levels of Muslim immigration the people will start to take matters into their own hands. It may not be happening as soon as you'd think it would, but it's not a matter of if, but when. Rotherham, Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, the tube bombings...A limit will be reached.

    Replies: @Dave, @SteveRogers42, @Frau Katze, @lavoisier

    A limit will be reached.

    Not necessarily. As long the police cooperate with the govt, nothing changes.

    Locking people up for insulting Muslims shows that the police are happy with things as they are.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  240. @22pp22
    I am a POM Kiwi, born in the UK. This is the new normal. I don't care any more. Londoners elected a mayor with fundamentalist sympathies and felt oh-so-smug about doing so. The smugness was so extreme you could almost sense it in the atmosphere.

    Pimp my daughter
    Mug my mother
    I still love you
    You're my brother

    hashtag- thoughts and prayers, light and candle blah-dee-blah

    rinse and repeat.

    I am in Cyprus at the moment. Most of the POMs I meet here are well aware of what a disaster this has been, but it's too late.

    Kiwis often suffer from exactly the same mindless smugness that brought about this catastrophe in England.

    Replies: @Cowboy Shaw

    Kiwi living in London here. NZers are the smuggest most pompous people of the Anglosphere. We are truly convinced, in a religious sense, that there is something different in the dirt in NZ that confers moral excellency upon us, and anyone else who deigns to land there. One day, there will be terror act there and the sense of stupefaction will be off the charts.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Cowboy Shaw

    There has already been a hijacking by a Somali woman who was given residency after spitting in her immigration officer's face. It has been decided that she should not be deported after her release from jail.

  241. @whorefinder
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn't some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You'll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she'll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    Replies: @European-American, @Frau Katze, @Kyle McKenna, @Anonymous

    Geert Wilders in the Netherlands has had even less success than Le Pen.

    I don’t think it have mattered a bit if there had been a male Le Pen.

    Macron has what can only be described as an “unusual” marriage but that didn’t slow him down.

    Nope, it’s policy alone people are voting on.

  242. @whorefinder
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn't some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You'll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she'll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    Replies: @European-American, @Frau Katze, @Kyle McKenna, @Anonymous

    Perhaps. Or perhaps Simone of Calais (“The Death of Civilization”) should be their candidate.

  243. @Anonymous
    Europe has voted for suicide. The population had its spirit beaten down by vicious anti-White "elites".

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon

    Europe has voted for suicide.

    No they didn’t.

    They are being manipulated into what is effectively a stealth genocide by a corrupted political-media class.

    If it was suicide the media and politicians wouldn’t have to lie about and cover up the negative consequences of mass immigration.

  244. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time.

    UKIP understandably has not yet reorganised itself to deal with the consequences of achieving its core goal with the victory in the Brexit referendum.

    As for supporting Corbyn over May that might be going a bit far, but with May allowing the advance of “hate speech” censorship and harassment of patriots and traditionalists, and enthusiastically continuing the invade the world globalist policies and, perhaps less enthusiastically, the related invite the world policies, it’s hard to get up much enthusiasm for voting “Conservative”. It’s more a case, I think, of voting tactically for the more reliably pro-Brexit candidate in each constituency regardless of party.

    And, of course, as someone who has been openly menaced with the threat of legal harassment by someone supposedly representing jewish interests, this kind of stuff makes me feel that even a Labour victory would at least have some redeeming features:

    If Jeremy Corbyn and his followers do not suffer a gigantic defeat in this election, it will be an utter, complete, ghastly disaster for Jews. It will mean that despite all that has happened in the past two years, all his supporters have said about Jews, people — even Jews, for goodness sake — can still support him. … Jeremy Corbyn mustn’t just lose. He must be crushed electorally. It must be impossible for his supporters to say that it wasn’t too bad and they should have another go. …

  245. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Opinionator

    It's time to stop using one half of Invade/Invite to argue against our right and responsibility to protect ourselves.

    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.

    Every other race on Earth puts its own kind ahead of others, and every other race has invaded others at one time or another. Repeated retorts like "...and the murders we have committed in the Middle East" are getting old.

    They would invade us anyway, if given the chance, as they have done in the past.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal

    When you decide to invade people, the smart thing to do is not to allow them into your country.

    The smart thing is not to invade them in the first place, because it’s stupid and costly to do so, and not to allow mass immigration because mass immigration is inherently harmful, whether it’s muslims or non-muslim foreigners.

  246. Lot says:
    @whorefinder
    @Lot


    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.
     
    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.
     
    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Lot, @Johann Ricke, @Malcolm X-Lax

    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there

    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don’t like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Lot

    If by "like" you mean "indifferent and/or only mildly annoyed," then sure.

    But the only group of Westerners who actively like/love Jews are southern and midwestern white evangelical Christians. Unfortunately for those poor guys the feeling is not mutual there.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Lot

    They may not exactly like them, but they know they'll probably open a business instead of going on the dole and plotting to kill their neighbors. When Jews don't feel welcome, they push their kids to finish college and become (or marry) a nice doctor. When Muslims don't feel welcome, they kill you.

    , @Travis
    @Lot

    I agree, the Supreme court will restore the Presidents power to restrict immigrants from muslim nations..Once this is achieved Trump can add more nations to the banned list, such as Pakistan.
    The 90 day moratorium can be extended to 180 days as a start after the next Islamic attack.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    Then why are those normal people constantly suspected of being just this far away from becoming cossacks and storm-troopers at the slightest provocation?

  247. @Frau Katze
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    But America will catch up with Europe's Muslim numbers if someone doesn't stop them from coming.

    Trump can't even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.

    Replies: @Lot

    Trump can’t even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.

    I think we’re going to have a big win at the Supreme Court and see the executive orders reinstated. Could be as soon as three months from now.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Disagree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @prole
    @Lot

    But Korean men who marry foreigners are bringing Oriental wives.

    Would be great if American men were bringing in 200,000 European wives and immigration from Asia and Africa was 0. Koreans are not allowing Africans, Syrians, Afghans, Iranians, to immigrate to Korea.

    , @Thea
    @Lot

    If we have to depend on the Supreme Court then our government is well and truly lost.

  248. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    I’m not so convinced that Muslim immigrants in Europe are that much of a threat to “Globalism” as you think. Most Muslims who I’ve encountered in Europe tend to be rather Western in their mindset. It might be “halal-certified globalism” but it is still “globalism”, and it is even more prevalent in “youths” who sing expletive-filled rap songs and pretend to be black Americans living in urban ghettos and women who pretend to be “Islamic virgins” simply because they wear a hijab even though their heavy makeup and tight clothing that leaves little to the imagination makes one think of courtesans. At least their parents behave in a comparatively decent manner (once you factor out their on-average lower IQ and higher societal dysfunctionality). But from judging the quality of people who will grow up to be “Europe’s future Muslims” I think “Globalism” will handle this great Völkerwanderung of the southern peoples just fine.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hyperborean


    But from judging the quality of people who will grow up to be “Europe’s future Muslims” I think “Globalism” will handle this great Völkerwanderung of the southern peoples just fine.
     
    I think you're right. We have seen the future of Europe, and it is called the United States. Europe too will become a region where riding public transport is unpleasant and sometimes risky, large cities have dangerous no-go areas, middle class citizens feel compelled to arm themselves with guns for self-protection, pop culture is "vibrant" and hypersexualized, public schools are crippled by pupils who are incapable of learning and parents who don't care, and the white lower class increasingly turn their backs on their own traditions and start adopting the more feral lifestyles of their non-white neighbors. I mean, in much of Europe this process is well under way but still not as bad as the US. The handwringing on the right about Europe's demographic suicide is ironic considering that the US has travelled much further down that road. But far worse is the myopia of the European left and center who love to crow about Europe's superior quality of life but don't realize they are doing everything in their power to destroy that quality of life.
  249. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH
    This is very shocking. I thought U.K Muslims would answer the call of Katy Perry and other pop stars to "come together". I thought Trump calling last week's Muslim terrorist attacker an "evil loser" would have sent other would be Muslim terrorists into permanent hiding.

    I guess it's back to the drawing board.

    Replies: @anon

    I thought Trump calling last week’s Muslim terrorist attacker an “evil loser” would have sent other would be Muslim terrorists into permanent hiding.

    One type of jihadist are people who have screwed up their lives – petty crime, prison etc – so “loser” might be accurate but saying it bigly will trigger them – important to recognize that aspect of their motivation but don’t say it publicly, just incorporate it into analysis.

    The critical part isn’t that – every population has “losers” – the critical point is the religion says you can gain *redemption* from loserdom if you die while killing non-Muslims.

    That’s why non-Muslim “losers” convert in prison and go on jihad – the religion offers redemption through killing.

    Obviously most people want a quiet life so *most* Muslims ignore that part but it’s there – that’s the critical factor and the media-political class have been lying about it since 9/11.

  250. @jesse helms think-alike
    Scotland Yard have issued an urgent call for Davide Martello to wheel his piano to London Bridge

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6GysNcB6zg

    Replies: @dr kill

    John Kerry and James Taylor are much more effective. Ever see a terror attack in MA?

  251. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    Not to mention the symbolic value of having the wall. Does anonymous really believe that low end Latin Americans, who probably have a 85 IQ at best (they're not sending their best), will come up with an effective enough scheme to get over a big, beautiful wall? Does anonymous also not think that you can't have border patrols along the wall? Heck, with technology being as cheap as it is you could probably have sensors that could send drones to perform a preliminary investigation and if it detects human movement, border patrol agents can be dispatched to the site.

    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It's sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over. Sad!

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Hanson

    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It’s sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over.

    It’s not defeatism – the people doing it *want* the destruction of the West and so they haunt forums where they can blackpill people.

    I do the same thing (in reverse) on SJW forums.

  252. @bored identity
    Feel uncomfortable about the series of unfortunate vehicular jihad events?

    Keep Calm and Eat Your Soy!


    Lawrence of Tribalia echo-chambers collective fear about real clear & present danger:


    https://twitter.com/LHSummers/status/870394334373437441

    Replies: @e, @Kyle McKenna, @EvolutionistX, @dr kill

    Hahaha, is Richard Quest still on CNN International? They will cut him up first.

  253. This article reads like it could have come from the most pozzed European publications. The Hindus are either going SJW or are protecting ethnic interests by maintaining the immigration pipeline, while knowing that we are slowly poisoning ourselves.

    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/decoding-europes-homegrown-terror/article9718569.ece

    Multiple research works have conspicuously shown the absence of a cultural fault line between the European and the Islamic ways of living. A cross-country survey involving 14 000 participants, conducted by the Bertelsmann foundation in Germany, showed that most European Muslims have a staunch belief in democracy and religious diversity.

    Meanwhile, here is a website with many polls on Muslim attitudes. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

    Let me just select the ones on attitudes towards terrorism from European Muslims. You will find attitudes towards Al Qaeda, Sharia Law, assimilation etc there.

    Terrorism

    ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
    NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
    Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
    http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf
    People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
    http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war
    16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is “acceptable”.
    http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml
    Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

    Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
    35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
    42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
    22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
    29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
    http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

    Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
    28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
    http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
    Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
    http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
    27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html
    Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
    ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
    Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
    37% believe Jews in Britain are a “legitimate target”.
    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
    Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
    Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
    BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent “mainstream Islam”.
    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/
    The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
    The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the “global Jihad (64% disagree).
    http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
    The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html
    ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4730825.ece
    East West University (Bangladesh) (2016): 1 in 10 Bangladeshi university students support terrorism. Of these, more than half (52%) are from well-off families.
    http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/11/21/study-finds-10-percent-students-in-bangladesh-universities-support-terrorism
    Policy Exchange (2016): 48% if British Muslims would not report a person “linked to terror.”
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/

  254. @Jack Hanson
    @Yan Shen

    If you add the caveat "not committed by the Norks" you'd do some serious time travel.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Were the sarin attacks, nork in origin?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @kaganovitch

    Oh man, you really showed me with your nearly 3 decade old attack. Show me the one before that, TIA.

  255. World events and President Trump’s responses are just highlighting what the media seem reluctant to report on, namely that a president who was elected on a platform of extreme cynicism of anything that is reported in the press is now, like Tony Blair before him, completely in the pocket of the Dirty Digger, Rupert Murdoch, an Australian immigrant with a worldwide string of tabloid newspapers and TV stations spewing hate and nonsense at the lowest common denominator.

    This hostile takeover of administration policy ought to be the story of the year.

  256. @Yan Shen
    I'm uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn't quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it's a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it's basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn't that different from many of the "multicultural" Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Lugash, @Buck Turgidson, @RadicalCenter, @Father O'Hara, @RW

    I lived and worked in Singapore for a year. They have effectively zero immigration. The country is Chinese-led and they allow opportunity and tolerance for the Malays (muzzies) and Tamil (Indian dot) ethnic groups; but those groups also know who rules the roost.

    The Singapore gov’t would have zero compunction about razing a mosque and jailing forever anyone who was plotting a terrorist attack, and that is common knowledge. They don’t do Chinese guilt and they run the country to make it work for everyone.

    It ain’t perfect, I was happy to leave, but they don’t put up with stuff like this. The gov’t sits on a lot of things and runs a very tight ship, which makes the place culturally and socially sterile (IMO), but there ain’t going to be any muzzie ‘terror’ there. Women also can walk the streets alone at night, etc.

    A student-led protest @ the National University would last about 3 minutes until the cops showed up with pepper spray, mace, truncheons, and the paddy wagon. Singapore is a tiny place and there ain’t nowhere to hide.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    @Buck Turgidson


    The Singapore gov’t would have zero compunction about razing a mosque and jailing forever anyone who was plotting a terrorist attack, and that is common knowledge. They don’t do Chinese guilt and they run the country to make it work for everyone.
     
    Yes, but they also have zero tolerance for "offensive speech", which would cover pretty much all the comments on sites like this. If you criticize Muslims or Islam or the Koran openly, you'll be deemed to be a disturber of the peace as much as a Muslim who preaches hate from a mosque.
  257. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    “Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.”

    Which why you have a guy standing on top of the wall with a rifle making sure the people on the other side don’t get ideas.

    But in all seriousness, if migrants knew that climbing over that wall wouldn’t ensure an automatic ticket to paradise they would be less likely to do it. Just look at all the “literally Hitler” hyperventilation there was from our moral betters over Denmark requiring asylum seekers to sell their valuable assets to pay for the expense of housing them or Hungary deciding to put migrants in “container camps” instead of “suitable” facilities to deter migrants.

  258. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    If that was true the media-political class wouldn’t have to cover up the rape jihad sweeping over Europe.

    “liberalism” aka the weighted average result of eurowhite genetics does have an inherent moral calculus but that calculus is being consciously fed false data by the politicians and the media.

  259. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    The fact that they have hit London Bridge once again shows that there is NO place to hide in London for the native populace, or for that matter anyplace in greater Europe!

    Replies: @anon

    The fact that they have hit London Bridge once again shows that there is NO place to hide in London for the native populace

    Most of the native populace have already been cleansed over the last 20 years by low level versions of this kind of attack which the media managed to cover up because they occurred in blue collar areas out of the public eye.

    The irony is most of the natives left in London are the people responsible – the private sector wealthy and government worker SJWs.

  260. @anon
    @anonymous

    Right. Walls don't work. That's why the Han never built the great wall of China. The Romans took a pass on building Hadrian's wall and there are no castles or fortresses throughout Europe from the middle ages.

    Btw, you ever try pulling a 26 foot ladder up by yourself and putting it on the other side? Just the seven foot high walls of Hougoumont kept out 10,000 French troops at Waterloo sport.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Peter Akuleyev, @Buck Turgidson

    I would pay a lot of $$ to watch Janet Napolitano scale a 50-foot wall with her 51-foot ladder. The descent would be epic (and seismic).

  261. @Anonym
    @anon

    They don't generally have what it takes to get a conventional job around the median income. The definition of success is different. They are successful at getting income from welfare, crime and grooming white girls. They are successful at creating no-go zones for police. Their incipient attempts at colonizing appear successful.

    However, once whites are pushed into a condition of war economy and war propaganda "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" etc. the organizational strengths, intelligence and dedication of whites will be a force to be reckoned with. I suspect within a generation we will be at that point.

    Replies: @bomag

    However, once whites are pushed into a…

    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    If a people are so pathologically altruistic, or so easily fooled, that looks to be fatal flaw that an angry push back won’t overcome.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @bomag

    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    One can't be right all the time. Neither can civilizations. I think Glubb is right about empires - they naturally become effete and decadent over time. However PC is rapidly being abandoned. And white people are again encountering hardship. Hardship is good for building resolve, sacrifice, grit and determination.

    It would have been nice if all this could have been avoided. The Frankfurt School has had a lot to do with it. However some people don't learn except through experience unfortunately.

    If it comes down to a civil war of majority whites vs non-whites, my money is on whites. The genetics we have is largely the same as WW2. Our fighting ability will be similar.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

  262. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This article reads like it could have come from the most pozzed European publications. The Hindus are either going SJW…

    Despite its name, The Hindu newspaper is not right-wing Hindu fundamentalist, but strongly left leaning in its editorial content. It is family owned, and was founded in 1878, initially as a liberal (in the British sense) newspaper, but the family members who have been its editors since WWII have been hard-left. It is widely admired for not letting that editorial orientation spill over into its reportage.

  263. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hyperborean
    Isn't it interesting how often when these types of attacks happen the secret police tells us that the perpetrators were known jihadist radicals. If the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don't they do anything to prevent it? Is it simply out of "respecting their rights", cowardice or something more sinister?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @al gore rhythms, @anon, @Expletive Deleted

    f the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don’t they do anything to prevent it?

    because we live in a giant media-created lie

    1) the politicians want mass immigration (either because they are bought by the banking mafia to provide cheap labor or because they are idiot SJWs) so for 30 years they have tried to play down the jihadist threat and put pressure on the security services to just keep a lid on it.

    2) jihad is an inherent [part of Islam so there are *tens of thousands* of jihadist suspects – far too many to watch. the only solution would be to deport them all just on suspicion – and not let any more in – but the politicians and media won’t allow it

    3) the security services are partly living in the past treating jihadism like previous terror orgs where you watch, infiltrate and disrupt. jihadism is different – it is an integral part of the religion and some small percentage of Muslims will self-radicalize and attack non-Muslims on a consistent and regular basis. it happens everywhere in the world where there is a mixed population.

    tl;dr

    jihadism isn’t a terrorist problem it’s an immigration problem but the corrupt media-political class won’t accept that reality because it undermines the “diversity” narrative

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @anon


    1) the politicians want mass immigration (either because they are bought by the banking mafia to provide cheap labor or because they are idiot SJWs) so for 30 years they have tried to play down the jihadist threat and put pressure on the security services to just keep a lid on it.
     
    Okay, but many aren't even labor. They are on the dole. They are just consumers. The regular natives are taxed to support them. It is just a lose-lose deal for the common man.

    Replies: @anon

  264. @Steve Sailer
    @Perspective

    My nephews found a super cheap trip to Paris right after the Bataclan massacre. But they said Paris was kind of grimy with all the migrants sitting everywhere. You get what you pay for...

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Seminumerical, @bored identity, @Kyle McKenna, @bored identity

    Just imagine how Parisian tourist could have felt yesterday while visiting iconic Trump Tower.

    “Sacrebleu, four thousand miles away, and somehow I feel like I’m stiill at home”:

    • LOL: Kylie
  265. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Moshe
    I think they like either prominent places or tourist places or jewish places or american places or, if the stars are aligned just right, all four.

    I don't particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish (and I assume there is some diversity there as well) but as you've mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.

    On your suggestion about this general ineptitude I watched The Four Lines about a decade ago and have to watch it again. It was beautiful.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @bomag

    I don’t particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish

    The Koran commands them to attack non-Muslims and promises that if they die while killing non-Muslims they go to heaven.

    (obviously most people want a quiet life so they ignore that part of the Koran – but some don’t)

    it’s not complicated – the media is just lying about what it says in the Koran

  266. I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
    At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn’t too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Simon in London


    I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
     
    Same here.

    My daughter was at Borough Market on Thursday and sent a picture. On Saturday night, she was out on the town, about half a mile away from the incident.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Kylie
    @Simon in London

    "At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn’t too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan."

    That will certainly be of great comfort to the families and friends of those seven dead civilians.

    You really should post your comment over at the Daily Mail Online where it's sure to be flooded green arrows.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Simon in London


    I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.

     

    When we Calvinists visited London a couple of years ago, we found the Southwark/Borough Market area delightful -- it was only place in the city we returned to during our week-long visit. It's a place for typical western forms of enjoyment -- the Globe, pubs, a market. No wonder they hate it.
  267. @Dave Pinsen
    In the U.S., you'd think another terrorist attack would make people more inclined to vote for conservatives. In the U.K., bettors seem to think it will have the opposite effect in the upcoming snap election. Maybe anti-incumbency?
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/871162622720307200

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Lot, @jesse helms think-alike, @anon

    it ought to be anti-incumbency as modern “conservatives” aren’t – they’re whores for the cheap labor lobby and just as bad on immigration as SJWs

    the big problem is trust – too many people just can’t get their head around the fact the entire media-political class is betraying them

  268. @Perspective
    "It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?"

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn't the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @European-American, @Anon, @anon, @Bill B.

    Why doesn’t the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony?

    Same reason as everything else – if they did it publicly they’d be destroyed by the traitor media-political class.

    They might be doing it privately.

  269. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    militarily speaking obstacles aren’t meant to stop people – they’re meant to slow them down which gives you time to shoot them

  270. @K. Lastima
    Compare how the Brits dealt with IRA terrorists and now vs. Islamoterrorists. Brits are doomed unless they wake the F up

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    Compare how the Brits dealt with IRA terrorists and now vs. Islamoterrorists.

    If by “the Brits” you mean their ruling class, the difference is easy to comprehend.

    The IRA was a threat to their power and the present wave of Muslim terrorism is not. Which also explains why they want the proles to get used to it.

  271. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    Am I missing something here?

    Corbyn now up to 19% to be PM on June 30. Current polls show Tories expect to pad on another net 40 seats on top of their current ~100 seat lead over Labour. Polls routinely understate Tory support. In the very unlikely event of no Tory majority, the minor parties hate Corbyn and would coalition only with their own PM or a non-Corbyn from either major party.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @anon

    Am I missing something here?

    The UK welfare state is crumbling because of mass immigration of cheap labor.

    The conservatives don’t care because the people who bribe them benefit from the cheap labor and don’t use the welfare state.

    However they briefly let it show they don’t care and (if the polls are accurate?????) it’s hurting them.

    SJWs care about the welfare state (partly because most of them work in it) but are too innumerate to understand that mass immigration is causing the problem – but so are most of the voters so Corbyn is currently benefiting.

    Also the Cons don’t get much benefit from security / immigration issues nowadays because they want open borders as much as SJWs do (for cheap labor whereas SJWs want it for the votes).

    (also the conservatives want to privatize the police so have been reducing police numbers which is hurting them now as well)

  272. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @O'Really
    @anon

    It had better be more than just proposals. If she doesn't take real action in the next 48 hours, I suspect a few million core Conservative/Brexiteer voters would just sit home, and hand the election to Corbyn. (they won't be convinced to vote for the Islamicized Labour Party, but they won't need to)

    Replies: @anon

    If she doesn’t take real action in the next 48 hours, I suspect a few million core Conservative/Brexiteer voters would just sit home

    yes – i think that is a real possibility. in the US there are always reasons for patriots to force themselves to vote GOPe (despite what traitors they are) because of things like supreme court appointments

    but in western Europe the conservatives (bribed by the banking mafia) have fully adopted SJW ideology because open borders ideology suits the banking mafia’s desire for endless cheap labor

  273. @e
    @syonredux

    One witness described the men as "of Mediterranean or Asian colouring."

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying "Middle Eastern."

    Replies: @anon, @englishmike, @Bugg, @greysquirrell

    One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    In general, the British don’t use “Asian”, as Americans do, to describe East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Malaysians, etc.); it is more a catch-all category comprising Indians and Pakistanis, North Africans and what you call “Middle Eastern”. This is probably because our experience had – until the current migrant crisis – mainly been of Indians and Pakistanis because of our links through the former British Empire. Similarly, many (most?) British Chinese came here from Hong Kong rather than the Chinese mainland.

    The witness you quoted may have been evasive, as you imply. But to be fair, he may have had in mind the North African states which border the south of the Mediterranean, especially if it was fresh in his mind that the Manchester bomber was the son of a Libyan family.

    • Replies: @e
    @englishmike

    Thanks. Yes, that makes sense.

  274. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @carol
    @rw95

    The euros' stupid denial and reflexive non judgementalism shows me just how terrified they are. Speaking out now could get you beheaded

    Replies: @Kylie, @anon

    Speaking out now could get you beheaded

    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo – they are more scared of other people thinking they are “racist” aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anon


    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo – they are more scared of other people thinking they are “racist” aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.
     

    Ok "when" - or should I say: If? If that control-mechanism breaks down at all.

    The european middle-class is eroding - and fast! - This might help. The wages in Italy are those of roundabout 1980. Not long ago, the city counsil of Naples or some such offered 30 new Jobs. To handle the applicant masses, they needed the sports stadium.

    Here's a very good article about the economic decline of the Italian middle class, unfortunately only in German, it's from the Swis paper NZZ:

    https://www.nzz.ch/international/vor-dem-kollaps-italiens-mittelstand-verarmt-ld.144948

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon


    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

     

    This is what I keep trying to convey to my liberal friends, but to little effect. The thin veneer of civilization the West has built up at such cost seems to them an inexhaustible resource.

    The inability for westerners in general to use their imaginations to try to perceive reality from a worldview different from their own is widespread and debilitating. The schools (and parents) tell children too few good stories these days.

    Replies: @anon, @Dieter Kief, @Daniel Chieh

  275. @Simon in London
    I'm usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
    At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn't too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Kylie, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.

    Same here.

    My daughter was at Borough Market on Thursday and sent a picture. On Saturday night, she was out on the town, about half a mile away from the incident.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, remember a prayer of Thank You for your daughter's safety.

  276. @Opinionator
    @anon

    Corbyn’s response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.

    He's right of course.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bill B.

    He’s wrong of course. The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don’t attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland).

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Ed

    Belgium is bombing ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Poland is not. Belgium is also, as this article points out, the seat of NATO and the EU.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/world/europe/belgiums-anti-isis-airstrikes-expand-from-iraq-into-syria.html

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Ed


    The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don’t attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland)

     

    This one might be quite simple: They attack Belgium or France or England, because they live there, and they don't attack Poland, because they haven't even heard of it.
  277. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    I think the biggot British will finally start respecting Islam. It’s about time!

  278. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    1. The UK’s recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    they are all caused by immigration of incompatible groups – refugees, legal immigrants, illehal immigrants – it’s all the same

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero.

    right – immigration, legal, illegal or refugee

    4. Trump’s poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US.

    yes it does – because the threat is caused by immigration of incompatible groups

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @anon


    yes it does – because the threat is caused by immigration of incompatible groups
     
    That is not what the Travel Ban addresses. The Travel Ban simply plays to sympathies of the "non-racist" right who want to believe that if we weed out some bad apples than immigration won't be an issue any more. It is political theater, not a real policy.
  279. @The Z Blog
    I'm rooting for the Muslims. They want it more.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Yak-15, @rw95

    I literally thought the exact same thing. Why am I on a side which fails to care to even fight back?

  280. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    It’ll be that Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem again. Maltesers, and paramiltaries to boot. Nothing but trouble …

  281. @Hyperborean
    Isn't it interesting how often when these types of attacks happen the secret police tells us that the perpetrators were known jihadist radicals. If the intelligence services knows that they are dangerous and likely to carry out an attack at some point, even if not in the immediate future, why don't they do anything to prevent it? Is it simply out of "respecting their rights", cowardice or something more sinister?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @al gore rhythms, @anon, @Expletive Deleted

    Because there’s more of them than there are of “us” able to do anything about it, without being slung in chokey and our kids handed over to “child protection” (see :- Rotherham etc).
    Only about 20k “known to authorities” are even on the radar (out of 2.7 mill. muslims in England; I make that 3/4ths of a percent; the colony has doubled in strength in the last decade alone).
    Coppers facing regular “austerity” measures, and dwindling slowly.

    Enoch will be rotating slowly by now …

  282. Repeating the below comment from another thread:

    Much-deserved blowback. British leaders have been supporting Islamic jihadis and terrorists against secular Middle Eastern governments and Asian and European “geopolitical adversaries” for decades now. Right now, at this moment, they are actively allied with Al Qaida against the secular government of Syria, aiding them with everything from weapons to supplies to military trainers to media propaganda. Britain as a territory is also a DIRECT EXPORTER of Islamic terrorists – many of the foreign jihadi militants who cause mayhem in multiple countries across the globe reside IN Britain, set out FROM Britain to cause chaos, death and destruction, and then return TO Britain to take a break and rest safely. The insouciant, degenerate, hypocritical and bovinely dull-minded “British public” either are not even aware of their leaders’ policies, or actively support them, or just don’t care.

    If there is a country in Europe that actually DESERVES to be hit by Islamic terrorism, it is the UK of today (with France following as a close second).

  283. @Opinionator
    @PiltdownMan

    the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I’m happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.


    Stern stuff, eh? What are any of these people doing to resist being displaced from their homelands?

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    They can’t do anything about it because they don’t own the land. Not one square inch. Somebody else does. An old lady. And her bankers.
    They also don’t have an Army or Navy etc. Again, personal property of said old lady and her financial advisers, with solemn oaths and all. To protect all Her land, that was stolen in 1066.
    And on top of that it’s jail if you carry so much as a jack-knife or a melon-baller in public, as a commoner.

    Suggestions please. Vote Her out?? lol.

  284. The Buffalo News covers the London story on page 11 of the 12 page first section of Sunday’s paper. Stories of more note that garnered the front page are, a section of Route 63 needs work despite a lawsuit, Tesla is starting solar panel production in California, not Buffalo and Richard Matt, the escaped murderer had a tortured relationship with his daughter. In between pages one and eleven are four stories that could only be described as anti-Trump. So #LondonLivesDon’tMatter.

  285. @PiltdownMan
    @Simon in London


    I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
     
    Same here.

    My daughter was at Borough Market on Thursday and sent a picture. On Saturday night, she was out on the town, about half a mile away from the incident.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Pilt, remember a prayer of Thank You for your daughter’s safety.

  286. @Lot
    @whorefinder


    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there
     
    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don't like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Rosamond Vincy, @Travis, @Mr. Anon

    If by “like” you mean “indifferent and/or only mildly annoyed,” then sure.

    But the only group of Westerners who actively like/love Jews are southern and midwestern white evangelical Christians. Unfortunately for those poor guys the feeling is not mutual there.

  287. @Cortes
    I wonder when someone in the public eye is going to compare the snowflake response from the Metropolitan Police of London (Run! Hide! Tell!) to the way things were done back in the day in both Scotland and England/Wales...

    Compulsory weapons practice so ordinary people could deal confidently with potential threats to the common weal.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Expletive Deleted

    Like this?

    one of the incentives offered in ye olden dayes was at least a quart of free ale after. Got beaten out as a village pastime by cricket (allows more ale), and the accursed leathren sphere (allows more fighting).

  288. Buffalo Joe, thank you.

    PiltdownWoman and I have been doing that every waking moment since she texted us yesterday evening, as also prayers for the victims and families.

  289. Dress all captured jihadists in Tottenham Hotspur jerseys. Drop them in the middle of West Ham.

  290. @Lot
    @whorefinder


    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there
     
    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don't like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Rosamond Vincy, @Travis, @Mr. Anon

    They may not exactly like them, but they know they’ll probably open a business instead of going on the dole and plotting to kill their neighbors. When Jews don’t feel welcome, they push their kids to finish college and become (or marry) a nice doctor. When Muslims don’t feel welcome, they kill you.

  291. @Lot
    @Frau Katze


    Trump can’t even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.
     
    I think we're going to have a big win at the Supreme Court and see the executive orders reinstated. Could be as soon as three months from now.

    Replies: @prole, @Thea

    But Korean men who marry foreigners are bringing Oriental wives.

    Would be great if American men were bringing in 200,000 European wives and immigration from Asia and Africa was 0. Koreans are not allowing Africans, Syrians, Afghans, Iranians, to immigrate to Korea.

  292. @lavoisier
    @Anonymous

    The population had a chance to stop the madness in France and they elected the traitorous bastard Macron. The people who choose to be manipulated by their hostile elites deserve the hells they have brought on themselves.

    When will the Anglo-Saxon begin to hate?

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Parbes, @Joe Schmoe

    Oh but the Anglo-Saxons DO hate – they hate Russians, Chinese, Eastern Europeans, secular pro-Assad Syrians etc., with an understated passion… Just as programmed by their mind-controllers.

  293. @Johnny F. Ive
    @rw95

    The UK will never change its foreign policy and immigration policy. They'll probably use it to push even more intrusive laws on their citizenry which won't solve the problem. We know through Patrick Cockburn that the UK has aided Libyan terrorist living inside the UK and was well aware of the concept of blowback. If people want change then they need to demand the heads of the people who have aided these people inside the UK government.

    Replies: @Parbes

    Precisely! Finally an intelligent comment on this thread.

  294. @streamfortyseven
    Pack them up, ship them out, and demolish their mosques. Until they are removed, the terror will continue. They're not fit to live in civilized society.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @RadicalCenter

    YES.

  295. Just got on the Internet, discovered terror attack, and see PM calling for… Internet regulation! Idiots.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chrisnonymous


    Idiots.
     
    traitors

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  296. @Ed
    @Opinionator

    He's wrong of course. The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don't attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland).

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Dieter Kief

    Belgium is bombing ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Poland is not. Belgium is also, as this article points out, the seat of NATO and the EU.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/world/europe/belgiums-anti-isis-airstrikes-expand-from-iraq-into-syria.html

  297. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of ‘bad’ Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don’t necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I’ve used before on similar threads – between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Pat Boyle

    It caanot be denied that something like this scenario is within the realm of the possible.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Pat Boyle

    Wouldn't it be easier to just send them all back to where they (or their parents) came from?

    Replies: @Pat Boyle

    , @Wilkey
    @Pat Boyle

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    I don't want to kill them. They can do whatever the hell they want to themselves in their own countries. I just want them to get the hell out of our countries. They aren't here to live with us - they are here to conquer us.

    You can say what you want about non-Muslim immigrants: that we should let fewer of them in, that we should insist they come legally, whatever. Virtually all other immigrant groups want to live peacefully side-by-side with us. That is clearly not true of Muslims.

    The proper response to all of these incidents, and to the way they treat *us* in *our countries* which we have kindly *allowed* them to move into, is to say "get the hell out." But it appears that Western democracy has turned into a suicide pact.

    , @for-the-record
    @Pat Boyle

    Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Unfortunately, this policy has already been in effect for several decades now. The number of Muslims killed by the West, directly and indirectly (e.g., including c. 500,000 Iraqi children in Iraq during the 1990s embargo, a "price" which then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright declared was "worth it") is certainly well over a million. It has in fact been credibly estimated at up to 4 million. By comparison, the total number of deaths due to Islamic terrorism in the West is around 4,000.

    So if you are looking at a moral balance, it is certainly not in favor of the West.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Pat Boyle

  298. @Yan Shen
    I'm uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn't quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it's a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it's basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn't that different from many of the "multicultural" Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Lugash, @Buck Turgidson, @RadicalCenter, @Father O'Hara, @RW

    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population, nor is it admitting such. Might this be relevant in helping to explain how Singapore “made it work” while Europe has not?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @RadicalCenter


    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population
     
    15% of the population of Singapore is Muslim, which is far higher than in any European country. From what I can tell Singapore works because the government makes sure that the Muslim population not exceed 15% and is strict enough that Muslims have no illusions they can take political control.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  299. @Dave
    @Wilkey

    Respectfully disagree. The vast majority of the white British population appears to be incapable of self defense. I live in NYC, and I've socialized with several Brits, and after you've softened them up with booze and the defenses fall they will admit that " England is lost " and the England of their youth is gone forever, but there is literally no will to resist in any way. They've just collectively given up. Resistance would make them " bad people ". And nobody wants to be seen by their fellows as a bad person.

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymouse, @ben tillman

    Not to mention there’s a host of hate-laws forbidding even the softest protest against immivasion and rapefugees. If English lads were to try to defend themselves and push back Muslims, they’d be met with the utmost violence by riot police and put in prison in the blink of an eye. For Britons to be free to protect themselves, they’d have to take down the whole regime. Not an easy task.

  300. Why is there a wall around the Vatican?

    Muslims.

    Muslims, as part of their 1400 year old war on Christendom (now succeeded by the the anodyne “West”), attacked the city of Rome in 846 and sacked the old St Peter’s, which was built by Constantine on the far side of the Tiber and which lay outside the ancient Roman walls. To prevent further Islamic predation, Pope Leo ordered the construction of the Leonine Walls that now surround the Vatican.

    Muslims.

    This standing monument to what Islam really is makes the revolting treasonous dhimmitude of the current successor of Pope Leo even more egregiously damning. May he rot in hell.

  301. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    Unsurprisingly, crypto-cuck Michael B Dougherty is a YUGE fan of May.

  302. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism…

    I just need to say at this juncture that accelerationism is utterly stupid. I have no respect and no patience for anyone who would even propose such a thing. Not only is it morally impermissible to do evil that good may come of it, it is also tactically the very pitch of insanity to think that you’re somehow helping your cause by doing your enemy’s work for him. There is no Hegelian antithesis that’s going to appear ex machina to save the day, and to hope for such a thing is both delusional and deranged.

  303. Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the current events remind of the horribly under-appreciated movie “The Siege.” It was a 1998 American action thriller film about a fictional situation in which an Islamic terrorist cells have made several attacks on New York City. In response to the attacks, young male Muslims are rounded up and put into detention camps.
    Hmmm . . . Maybe life should imitate art.

  304. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    “Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?”

    Because, in addition to being Muslims, they are mostly Arab-Negro mongrels.

    An ancillary reason: Their ancestors in previous centuries had a history of invading and/or raiding and pillaging parts of Western Europe – the Iberian peninsula, Southern France, and parts of Italy, to be exact. What’s more, THEY AND THEIR CLERICS/LEADERS ARE AWARE OF THAT. So in a sense, they are just recapitulating a (for them) time-honored historical practice.

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    @Parbes

    By 'mostly Arab-Negro mongrels' I assume you mean Berbers.

    Replies: @Parbes

  305. @Lot
    @whorefinder


    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there
     
    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don't like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Rosamond Vincy, @Travis, @Mr. Anon

    I agree, the Supreme court will restore the Presidents power to restrict immigrants from muslim nations..Once this is achieved Trump can add more nations to the banned list, such as Pakistan.
    The 90 day moratorium can be extended to 180 days as a start after the next Islamic attack.

  306. @Moshe
    I think they like either prominent places or tourist places or jewish places or american places or, if the stars are aligned just right, all four.

    I don't particularly inhabit their mental mindsets or undwrstand what they think they will accomplish (and I assume there is some diversity there as well) but as you've mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.

    On your suggestion about this general ineptitude I watched The Four Lines about a decade ago and have to watch it again. It was beautiful.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @bomag

    as you’ve mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.

    They are riding a trend that is in their favor.

    Every successful movement in history had it’s early efforts described as unimpressive.

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @bomag

    Bingo. See Christianity.

  307. @WR
    You racists!, check Ms. Mensch's twitter if you want to know how enlightened people react after one of these "incidents"

    Louise Mensch‏
    Verified account
     @LouiseMensch 2h
    2 hours ago

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    More
    Let me be plain. The United Kingdom is 100% comfortable being a tolerant diverse nation. Muslim Britons are our friends and neighbors.

    More
    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots. Not now. NOT EVER. #LondonBridge

    Replies: @neutral, @guest, @Regina Phalange, @ben tillman

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    Except those of you wearing bulky vests with lots of little wires poking out. Then I’m gonna stand waaaaaaay over here. #dontwanttogetexploded

  308. @Lot
    @Frau Katze


    Trump can’t even get a temporary from a handful of Muslims countries past the judges.
     
    I think we're going to have a big win at the Supreme Court and see the executive orders reinstated. Could be as soon as three months from now.

    Replies: @prole, @Thea

    If we have to depend on the Supreme Court then our government is well and truly lost.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  309. @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

    No, what the IRA terrorism suggests is that it wasn’t a good idea for the English to colonize Ulster with thousands of Scottish Presbyterians.

  310. The Brits rose to the challenge of Hitler and more recently to the I.R.A. It is not impossible that they come up with some way to deal with their Moslems.

  311. I missed the evening news last night, so this came as a surprise. Have they done the group hug yet? Has the Moslem mayor said said suck it up, this is the new normal? Who will play “Imagine?”

  312. @syonredux
    @BB753


    The men, ‘of Mediterranean origin’, reportedly drove the van at 50mph across the bridge, then began ‘randomly stabbing people’ along Borough High Street”
     
    MMM, how vexing. ‘of Mediterranean origin’.....that could mean anything. Why, they could be Greek, or Italian, or Spanish....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @e, @Sarah Toga, @anonymous, @Expletive Deleted, @anonymous

    …or (hubba! hubba!) MIDDLE EASTERN!!

  313. Not just St Peter’s – St Peter’s has had lackadaisical metal detecting for years. I’m in Rome this week, and new this year – metal detectors at all the Major Basilicas (St Peter’s, St John Lateran, Sta Maria Maggiore, etc) and the guards seem to be doing a more thorough job. I’d never seen people have to take off belts before!

  314. @Dave
    @Wilkey

    Respectfully disagree. The vast majority of the white British population appears to be incapable of self defense. I live in NYC, and I've socialized with several Brits, and after you've softened them up with booze and the defenses fall they will admit that " England is lost " and the England of their youth is gone forever, but there is literally no will to resist in any way. They've just collectively given up. Resistance would make them " bad people ". And nobody wants to be seen by their fellows as a bad person.

    Replies: @BB753, @Anonymouse, @ben tillman

    So says Jonn Derbyshire and he should know.

  315. Hail says: • Website

    Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?

    Given the terror attacks by Muslims on English people, sooner or later somebody on the European side, of Combat 18 or similar sympathies, is bound to do successfully pull of a high-casualty mosque bombing or the like. Then what? A new ‘Troubles’ in the 2010s and 2020s?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Hail

    We've bombed plenty of Muslims already in the Middle East.

    Replies: @Hail, @SteveRogers42

    , @Kylie
    @Hail

    "Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?"

    No. Because that's not who the English are.

    Replies: @James Richard, @Rosamond Vincy, @Hail

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Hail

    Looked up Combat 18. I was struck by the efficiency and dispatch with which the British security services swung into action to suppress these native Anglo-Saxon working-class men. No watch lists, no calls for Internet regulation, just door-kicking, arrests, and imprisonment.

    The comparison to the treatment of alien immivaders is striking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18

  316. @Pat Boyle
    @rw95

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one - or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of 'bad' Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don't necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I've used before on similar threads - between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Mr. Anon, @Wilkey, @for-the-record

    It caanot be denied that something like this scenario is within the realm of the possible.

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Anonymouse

    Sure it can. I strongly doubt such a thing is possible anymore.

  317. @Yan Shen
    I'm uh only being partly facetious here, but another one of my favorite sayings is WWLKYD (What Would Lee Kuan Yew Do)? Maybe comparing Japan or South Korea to a country like the UK isn't quite apples to apples given that the former are much more homogeneous today.

    But look at a country like Singapore. Yeah I suppose it's a tiny nation state, but still. For most of its history, it's basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese, which to be honest isn't that different from many of the "multicultural" Western nations. In fact, the Chinese make up less of Singapore percentage wise than the majority white ethnic groups do in virtually all European nations. Yet somehow the country has managed to avoid the insanity that is political correctness and most of the pitfalls besetting the modern United States and Western Europe. Somehow Singapore made it work!

    I often lament that if only a modern day Lee Kuan Yew descended from the heavens, alas. And really, imagine if the second coming of Lee Kuan Yew were to be the prime minster of the UK instead of a Theresa May. Would anyone doubt that LKY the Second Coming would do anything less than steer the UK out of its myriad of social predicaments and towards the Promised Land? Would anyone argue against the notion that some rigid Confucian discipline could be exactly what the doctor ordered?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Lugash, @Buck Turgidson, @RadicalCenter, @Father O'Hara, @RW

    “…descended from the heavens.” I think we need someone who has Ascended,muhself.

  318. @Hail
    Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?

    Given the terror attacks by Muslims on English people, sooner or later somebody on the European side, of Combat 18 or similar sympathies, is bound to do successfully pull of a high-casualty mosque bombing or the like. Then what? A new 'Troubles' in the 2010s and 2020s?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Kylie, @SteveRogers42

    We’ve bombed plenty of Muslims already in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Opinionator

    It would seen a lot different when they're on the other side of your own town.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Opinionator

    Do you miss them?

  319. @e
    @syonredux

    One witness described the men as "of Mediterranean or Asian colouring."

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying "Middle Eastern."

    Replies: @anon, @englishmike, @Bugg, @greysquirrell

    King Juan Carlos, Robert DeNiro and John Belushi?

  320. @whorefinder
    @Lot


    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.
     
    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.
     
    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Lot, @Johann Ricke, @Malcolm X-Lax

    And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Communism isn’t unpopular in Eastern Europe. They don’t like Russian occupation and they don’t like the shortages, but they like the idea of Communism. A good chunk of Communist-era social programs and restrictions on private enterprise are still in existence, which is why their economies are not growing in leaps and bounds the way the East Asian tigers were, even decades after the fall of the Berlin wall. Note that this is despite the huge advantage of their close proximity to the US and Western European markets.

    And as to Jews, as cognitive elites, they were over-represented among the commissar class just as they were over-represented among the business and intellectual elites who suffered greatly under communism. The latter fled the region in great numbers, much like their less-persecuted non-Jewish brethren.

    Apart from the prophylactic wars we fought in Korea and Vietnam, Communism turned out great for us, though. We got some of the Eastern bloc’s best minds – the more notable of which were people like the founders of Intel and Google, who would never have left their homelands if they weren’t such basket cases, thanks to Communism.

  321. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Let's start calling them massacres.

    Only five people died in the Boston Massacre of 1770, but that event helped start a revolution.

    We need to become more militant in our attitude toward all the bullshit that's been fed to us for too long.

    Tonight's event was another Islamist massacre of Whites in London. It was caused by open immigration policies, cultural relativism, and political correctness.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Uebersetzer

    That, and a few other things.
    One of the dead was from Ireland and was not killed outright. He actually issued a statement before he died exonerating the soldiers. He said in his native Ireland British troops opened fire on crowds with far less provocation than they had received in Boston.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Uebersetzer

    The Brit soldiers in America were relatively new. One reason they were so hated was that the colonies had been settled by private individuals and defended by local militias. That meant when the Indians went around scalping and terrorizing the Crown did nothing, leaving the colonists to handle it themselves.

    It was only after the colonies were settled that the British soliders showed up...to collect taxes the home country wanted that had never before been demanded and that served to purpose to the colonists. The colonists were not only armed and dangerous, they felt exploited by a home government out to steal the fruits of the land they'd settled.

    Replies: @Uebersetzer

  322. @Opinionator
    @Kylie

    Stockholm Syndrome?

    Replies: @Kylie

    Stockholm Syndrome? No. Just smug virtue-signaling. The left’s veneration of NAMS allows them to feel superior to and contemptuous of conservative/lower-class whites.

    It’s a winning combo platter for them. They will never voluntarily give it up.

  323. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The Great Wall was a notorious failure, horrible example.”

    Old post:

    “The Great Wall of China was not very effective.”

    That’s often claimed, but it’s not clear. You would have to compare to Chinese history without walls (there wasn’t really one of them; “Great Wall” seems to be a catch-all term for the wall-fort complexes of the day). Walls might have been, all-in-all, an asset. Sure, armies overcame them (sometimes with inside help), but they were often a factor. Like castles.

    Great Wall of China:

    “…Other purposes of the Great Wall have included border controls, allowing the imposition of duties on goods transported along the Silk Road, regulation or encouragement of trade and the control of immigration and emigration. Furthermore, the defensive characteristics of the Great Wall were enhanced by the construction of watch towers, troop barracks, garrison stations, signaling capabilities through the means of smoke or fire, and the fact that the path of the Great Wall also served as a transportation corridor.”

    Chinese governments must have thought they worked well enough to fund, because they kept building them for a thousand years or so. If nothing else, it gave Chinese generals another tool in their toolbox.

    History of the Great Wall of China:

    “…began when fortifications built by various states during the Spring and Autumn (771–476 BC)… …were connected by the first emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang…

    …the Ming (1369–1644) were among those that rebuilt, re-manned, and expanded the Walls, although they rarely followed Qin’s routes…

    there are doubts as to whether… early walls were actually defensive in nature. …the northern frontier walls were built far to the north and included traditionally nomadic lands, and so rather than being defensive, the walls indicate the northward expansions of the three northern states and their desire to safeguard their recent territorial acquisitions…

    …the first major Ming walls… proved its initial worth in 1482, when a large group of Mongol raiders were trapped within the double lines of fortifications and suffered a defeat by the Ming generals.

    …In 1550… Mongols… invaded… …despite several attempts… could not take Xuanfu due to Weng Wanda’s double fortified line… circled around…raided the suburbs of Beijing. …the raid took more than 60,000 lives and an additional 40,000 people became prisoners…

    …focus of the Ming’s northern defences shifted… to… where the breach took place… The effectiveness of the new walls was demonstrated in the failed Mongol raid of 1554, where raiders expecting a repeat of the events of 1550 were surprised by the higher wall…”

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @anonymous

    Common sense, brother. The ongoing ebb and flow of offense and defense.

  324. @Simon in London
    I'm usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
    At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn't too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Kylie, @The Last Real Calvinist

    “At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn’t too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan.”

    That will certainly be of great comfort to the families and friends of those seven dead civilians.

    You really should post your comment over at the Daily Mail Online where it’s sure to be flooded green arrows.

  325. Looks like the terrorists are winning.

    More than 1,500 Juventus fans in Turin injured after stampede
    • Witnesses suggest firecrackers mistaken for explosions caused panic and crowd surge
    • Three people seriously hurt, including seven-year-old boy

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/03/juventus-fans-injured-turin-square-panic-firecrackers

  326. I’m attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    No offense, but East Asians hardly have a monopoly on common sense. And really, if I’m working the PR angle, I’d go with “Israeli mentality,” at least in the US. Drives leftists and cuckservatives alike batshit, cuts right through corporate-media-PC bullshit, flies through a large gap in their defenses.

    But it’s true; piling “the Asians too” onto that is a good idea.

  327. @Hail
    Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?

    Given the terror attacks by Muslims on English people, sooner or later somebody on the European side, of Combat 18 or similar sympathies, is bound to do successfully pull of a high-casualty mosque bombing or the like. Then what? A new 'Troubles' in the 2010s and 2020s?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Kylie, @SteveRogers42

    “Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?”

    No. Because that’s not who the English are.

    • Replies: @James Richard
    @Kylie


    No. Because that’s not who the English are.
     
    ORLY?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Kylie

    Until the Sunnis bomb a Shi'ite mosque. Or vice versa.
    Everyone will promptly blame the Gingers, and bend over backwards to show how tolerant they are and how they deplore such senseless acts of violence.
    Then the truth will come out--Muslim-on-Muslim violence--and the story will disappear to the back pages, along with stories of Muslims mutilating their daughters when they are 7 and honor-killing them when they are 17 because they don't want to marry a 60-year-old cousin.

    , @Hail
    @Kylie


    that’s not who the English are.
     
    Strictly speaking, it's not who the Muslims are, either...but...
  328. @Pat Boyle
    @rw95

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one - or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of 'bad' Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don't necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I've used before on similar threads - between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Mr. Anon, @Wilkey, @for-the-record

    Wouldn’t it be easier to just send them all back to where they (or their parents) came from?

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes it would be easier. There was a time when Britain had few Muslims. They could simply declare that Muslims are no longer welcome in England. America could do the same. There is a lot of oil money in the Muslim Middle East. We could negotiate with Saudi Arabia or one of the others to take Muslims now in Britain or the US, off our hands.

    The evidence mounts that Muslims are too dangerous to be allowed to stay in any Western nation.

    But America and Britain are exceedingly slow at adjusting their governmental practices to changing events. Violence is regrettably a much faster solution.

  329. @anonymous
    @J1234

    Walls don't work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @anon, @englishmike, @EvolutionistX, @Hyperborean, @anon, @J1234

    Walls don’t work. If you build a 25 foot wall someone comes up with a 26 foot ladder.

    And that’s why there was armed law enforcement at the checkpoints at St. Peters. But yes, terrorists could compromise these defenses in ways I’d rather not state publicly (though it wouldn’t take a genius to figure it out.)

    Nevertheless, a wall or fence is an essential part of any security system, which is why all military bases, prisons and nuclear power facilities have them. The idea that they aren’t necessary because they aren’t an all encompassing approach to security is ridiculous.

  330. @whorefinder
    @Lot


    Wait I though the Jews were the ones who got the East Euros to go communist.
     
    They did, and then famously Stalin turned on them and began purging them, leading to death and emigration to Israel. And as communism became unpopular as the decades rolled on, the Semitic drive behind communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there. Dude, do you even history?

    Retard anti-Semites can never get their stories straight.
     
    Retard Semitic apologists never can logic much.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Lot, @Johann Ricke, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Many of the former Soviet-era Russian jews who didn’t immigrate to israel, immigrated to the US. These jews received a special preference because they WERE jews. Many of them now appear on the news and in newspapers calling any American racist who suggests we institute a preference for Middle Eastern Christians, who are having their heads chopped off.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I want to amend this to my previous comment. Here's Tucker Carlson debating Trump's travel ban with a jewish woman who vehemently opposes any religious preferences for Christian refugees but sputters a pathetic defense of the preference for Russian jews in the Soviet era. The exchange occurs at about 10:10 into the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7v2mPA5H1k

  331. @e
    @syonredux

    One witness described the men as "of Mediterranean or Asian colouring."

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying "Middle Eastern."

    Replies: @anon, @englishmike, @Bugg, @greysquirrell


    Quote: One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    Yeah, right, Asian. Anything to avoid saying “Middle Eastern.”

    They meant Pakistani looking because (in the UK) Asian = from the Subcontinent.

  332. @Lot
    @whorefinder


    communism led to a backlash in Eastern Europe and Jews became very unwelcome there
     
    Lolwut? Do you mean in your dreams? I must have missed those big pogroms after the Berlin Wall fell.

    The only people who don't like Jews are Muslims, their far-left Western allies, and Nazi retards. Normal Americans, Europeans, and Asians like Jews.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Rosamond Vincy, @Travis, @Mr. Anon

    Then why are those normal people constantly suspected of being just this far away from becoming cossacks and storm-troopers at the slightest provocation?

  333. @Kylie
    @Hail

    "Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?"

    No. Because that's not who the English are.

    Replies: @James Richard, @Rosamond Vincy, @Hail

    No. Because that’s not who the English are.

    ORLY?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @James Richard

    Your link is to who the English WERE.

  334. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @whorefinder

    Many of the former Soviet-era Russian jews who didn't immigrate to israel, immigrated to the US. These jews received a special preference because they WERE jews. Many of them now appear on the news and in newspapers calling any American racist who suggests we institute a preference for Middle Eastern Christians, who are having their heads chopped off.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    I want to amend this to my previous comment. Here’s Tucker Carlson debating Trump’s travel ban with a jewish woman who vehemently opposes any religious preferences for Christian refugees but sputters a pathetic defense of the preference for Russian jews in the Soviet era. The exchange occurs at about 10:10 into the video.

  335. @Kylie
    @Hail

    "Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?"

    No. Because that's not who the English are.

    Replies: @James Richard, @Rosamond Vincy, @Hail

    Until the Sunnis bomb a Shi’ite mosque. Or vice versa.
    Everyone will promptly blame the Gingers, and bend over backwards to show how tolerant they are and how they deplore such senseless acts of violence.
    Then the truth will come out–Muslim-on-Muslim violence–and the story will disappear to the back pages, along with stories of Muslims mutilating their daughters when they are 7 and honor-killing them when they are 17 because they don’t want to marry a 60-year-old cousin.

  336. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:


    Trump has a list of ‘bad’ Islamic nations.

    Yes but Saudi Arabia is not on it which makes the entire exercise a farce and a sham.

    Trump has us connected at the hip now with the evil Saudi dirt bags who are funding the radical mosques worldwide. Winning!

    Kosher/Cohn arranged the wedding with SA and Trump went along with it just like he went along with Paul Ryan’s healthcare disaster. Trump is a dupe, easily rolled.

    TRUMP HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY ON TERRORISM.

  337. @Pat Boyle
    @rw95

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one - or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of 'bad' Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don't necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I've used before on similar threads - between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Mr. Anon, @Wilkey, @for-the-record

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    I don’t want to kill them. They can do whatever the hell they want to themselves in their own countries. I just want them to get the hell out of our countries. They aren’t here to live with us – they are here to conquer us.

    You can say what you want about non-Muslim immigrants: that we should let fewer of them in, that we should insist they come legally, whatever. Virtually all other immigrant groups want to live peacefully side-by-side with us. That is clearly not true of Muslims.

    The proper response to all of these incidents, and to the way they treat *us* in *our countries* which we have kindly *allowed* them to move into, is to say “get the hell out.” But it appears that Western democracy has turned into a suicide pact.

  338. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Kylie

    They are deluded and terrified -- by their own governments.

    Speakers and writers in Europe can pretty easily come up against hate-speech laws and such. Write the wrong thing about non-European people, and you will be investigated. It is even harder there than it is in the US for citizens to come upon frank statements in media.

    Since most people in any group are conformists and followers, laws like that make it extra difficult for heretical truth to spread.

    The delusion is perpetuated by law.

    If we in America don't aggressively protect The First Amendment, if we don't categorically reject every proposal of anything resembling a hate-speech law, we will find ourselves in the same mental bind.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Sorry, Buzz, I should have been more specific. I think the elites in government, academia and the media are deluded true believers. The rest probably are terrified or, at the very least, cowed into submission.

    To this day, after eight years, even my closest friends don’t know I post here. But I’m not cowed, just cautious!

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Kylie

    I hear you.

    On a positive note, a critical mass of like-minded citizens may be coming together in America, and the Overton window might be moving over far enough for them to stand in front of it and be seen.

  339. @Ed
    @Opinionator

    He's wrong of course. The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don't attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland).

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Dieter Kief

    The jihadists attack in countries that send no or very few troops or forces to the Middle East (Belgium) and don’t attack in countries that have serious involvement (Poland)

    This one might be quite simple: They attack Belgium or France or England, because they live there, and they don’t attack Poland, because they haven’t even heard of it.

  340. @AKAHorace
    @Hyperborean

    Maybe just a problem of numbers. There might be a lot of suspicious characters, a relatively few of go on to commit terrorism.

    Replies: @David Allan coe

    True, they would need to deport half the Muslim males in the UK, but too many are British born citizens. They don’t even lock up terrorists guilty of mass slaughter for more than 20 years.

  341. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few points to discuss:

    1. The UK's recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.

    2. Almost every terrorist attack in Europe in the last few years has been executed by North Africans. Turks and Pakistani immigrants reduce quality of life in other ways but they don't go in for suicide bombings. Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero. On the other hand Austria and Italy have disfunctional immigrant Muslim populations but no significant terrorist attacks yet. But again see point two. We don't have a lot of North Africans in Austria.

    4. Trump's poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US. Iranians, if anything, seem like the most desirable Muslim immigrants.

    5. Long term, immigration from Sub Saharan Africa is a far bigger threat to civilization than "Muslim" immigration.

    Replies: @BRF, @for-the-record, @Erik Sieven, @anon, @Parbes, @Rod1963

    Iranians are not desirable for the fact they are Muslim and have no loyalty to the U.S. whatsoever. They are only nice because they’re numbers are small and they are Shiaa and hated by the Sunni community.

    We don’t need or want Muslims. They are not a value added immigrant group. They have their own country, let them stay there.

  342. fnn says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.
     
    My nineteen-year-old kid is in London right now, visiting a friend and was out on the town Saturday night GMT. She texted me three hours ago, was about half-a-mile away from the incident, and said the usual Saturday night crowds appear not to have batted an eyelid, but to check their smartphones.

    They are made of pretty stern stuff over there, q.v. the Blitz. So also, I'm happy to say, PiltdownJunior1 and friends.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @fnn

    The Blitz wasn’t all heroism and stiff upper lip:
    https://www.unz.com/acockburn/2014/08/

    Gavin Mortimer, author of The Blitz, had an amusing piece in the First Post about the conduct of Britons at the time of their Finest Hour:

    “It didn’t take long for a hardcore of opportunists to realise there were rich pickings available in the immediate aftermath of a raid – and the looting wasn’t limited to civilians.

    “In October 1940 Winston Churchill ordered the arrest and conviction of six London firemen caught looting from a burned-out shop to be hushed up by Herbert Morrison, his Home Secretary. The Prime Minister feared that if the story was made public it would further dishearten Londoners struggling to cope with the daily bombardments…

    “The looting was often carried out by gangs of children organized by a Fagin figure; he would send them into bombed-out houses the morning after a raid with orders to target coins from gas meters and display cases containing First World War medals. In April 1941 Lambeth juvenile court dealt with 42 children in one day, from teenage girls caught stripping clothes from dead bodies to a seven-year-old boy who had stolen five shillings from the gas meter of a damaged house. In total, juvenile crime accounted for 48 per cent of all arrests in the nine months between September 1940 and May 1941 and there were 4,584 cases of looting.

    “Joan Veazey, whose husband was a vicar in Kennington, south London, wrote in her diary after one raid in 1940: “The most sickening thing was to see people like vultures, picking up things and taking them away. I didn’t like to feel that English people would do this, but they did.”

    “Perhaps the most shameful episode of the whole Blitz occurred on the evening of March 8 1941 when the Cafe de Paris in Piccadilly was hit by a German bomb. The cafe was one of the most glamorous night spots in London, the venue for off-duty officers to bring their wives and girlfriends, and within minutes of its destruction the looters moved in.

    “Some of the looters in the Cafe de Paris cut off the people’s fingers to get the rings,” recalled Ballard Berkeley, a policeman during the Blitz who later found fame as the ‘Major’ in Fawlty Towers. Even the wounded in the Cafe de Paris were robbed of their jewellery amid the confusion and carnage.”

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
    @fnn

    Despite having a criminal record, Reginald Christie managed to be enrolled as a special policeman in London during WW2 and committed his first murders.

  343. @rw95
    So who wants to bet absolutely nothing is going to change because of this?

    Replies: @anon, @carol, @Johnny F. Ive, @biz, @TheJester, @Mr. Anon, @Erik Sieven, @Yak-15, @Pat Boyle, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury … that’s unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot–witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there–if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews–despite being victims of immense mass murder–still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for “peace”, the “unity” concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @AnotherDad

    exactly. Wonderful and depressing post. I can sleep tonight knowing I am not the only one wracked by a sense of doom.

    , @Kylie
    @AnotherDad

    "Death of individuals comes to us all in turn. (My best years are well behind me.) But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time."

    You express my own thoughts better than I could have. Thanks.

    It's not even a case of our elites letting it all slip away. They threw it all away deliberately, with malice and contempt.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Yep, it's bad.

    Like something out of a comedy sketch, a man who cursed Muslims as he waited to be butchered by the terrorists was scolded by a cuckold for being Islamophobic:

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/871138429744140289

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @AnotherDad

    Oooh, yes, the Woodstocky music-fest. Peace and Lurve. A more appropriate set-list for the Manchester fundraising concert would have included Anti-Nowhere League's "So What."

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @AnotherDad

    Life is but flesh and blood. The death of the soul is eternal.

    I would say that this is like watching a soul dying, but I think the soul is already gone. All that's left are people wandering about bereft of any higher ideals beyond the next immediate distraction, shambling pointlessly from bed to work to drink. Recycle. Hashtag. Reset.

    , @CCZ
    @AnotherDad

    An opinion piece, but a pure example of your point “the calls for “peace,” the “unity” concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and f..ked.”

    http://www.inquisitr.com/opinion/4269060/one-love-manchester-concert-proves-love-can-rule-us-all-vs-the-hatefear-mechanism-of-trump-era/


    One Love Manchester Concert Proves Love Can Rule Us All Vs. The Hate And Fear Mechanism Of Trump Era

    "Love always wins in the end," Justin Bieber shouts during the "One Love" Manchester benefit concert.

    The "One Love" Manchester benefit concert has reminded not only the UK but the whole world of how powerful love is. This is the complete opposite of Donald Trump’s fear and hate messaging.

    But, if there’s one important lesson we should be getting from Grande’s benefit concert, it’s that there’s a right way to respond to terror and that is not to instigate more fear.

    "The only thing we can do now is choose how we let this affect us and how we live our lives from here on out. We won’t let hate divide us. We won’t let hate win."

     

    Replies: @Bill B.

  344. @bomag
    @Moshe


    as you’ve mentioned a number of times they do not generally appear to be an impressive gaggle.
     
    They are riding a trend that is in their favor.

    Every successful movement in history had it's early efforts described as unimpressive.

    Replies: @Amasius

    Bingo. See Christianity.

  345. @neutral
    I have wondered for some time now if there would be anything that would change peoples minds, by that I mean that this will not lead to the very predictable hashtags, the usual "we must fight them with love and tolerance" and letting in even more immigrants. I hate to say it, but I don't think anything will change peoples minds. They could attack the Economist or the BBC and slaughter the entire senior staff and the people that take over will still say exactly the same. They could launch daily attacks that kill hundreds every day and they will say exactly the same. I even believe that a nuclear attack on some city in Europe would not change their minds.

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Replies: @gcochran, @jesse helms think-alike, @lavoisier, @Kyle McKenna, @anon, @AnotherDad

    The problem is clearly not radical Islam, but radical liberalism.

    Thank you neutral.

    Yeah, I get so sick of all the nonsense about how this or that–“refugees”, “illegals”, “terrorism”, “immigration”–is overwhelming and can’t be fixed by the West.

    It’s all utter nonsense. The refugee and illegal stuff is absolutely trivial. But none of it, even repatriation, is the least bit technically difficult for the West.

    Muzzies are just a nuisance–like the antics of adolescent boys. The entire problem is the ideological cancer of leftism, “tolerance”, “open society” globalism, minoritarianism. Defeat those and the technical problems of enforcing borders and sending back the riff-raff and thus restoring Western nations is straightforward.

  346. @RadicalCenter
    @Yan Shen

    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population, nor is it admitting such. Might this be relevant in helping to explain how Singapore "made it work" while Europe has not?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population

    15% of the population of Singapore is Muslim, which is far higher than in any European country. From what I can tell Singapore works because the government makes sure that the Muslim population not exceed 15% and is strict enough that Muslims have no illusions they can take political control.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Singapore military also not actively bombing Muslims, much less Malay Muslims, or pushing them out of their homeland.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

  347. @anon
    @Peter Akuleyev


    1. The UK’s recent terrorist attacks are not caused by refugees, but by Muslims born in the UK or who immigrated under normal UK immigration laws.
     
    they are all caused by immigration of incompatible groups - refugees, legal immigrants, illehal immigrants - it's all the same

    3. Always fun to note the number of terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, i.e. zero.
     
    right - immigration, legal, illegal or refugee

    4. Trump’s poorly targeted travel ban does nothing to address actual threats to the US.
     
    yes it does - because the threat is caused by immigration of incompatible groups

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    yes it does – because the threat is caused by immigration of incompatible groups

    That is not what the Travel Ban addresses. The Travel Ban simply plays to sympathies of the “non-racist” right who want to believe that if we weed out some bad apples than immigration won’t be an issue any more. It is political theater, not a real policy.

  348. @Pat Boyle
    @rw95

    I think that things may change. It all depends on the leadership. Many historians think that without the stubbornness of Churchill England would have reached an accommodation with the Nazis. Another prickly British leader may emerge just as Martine Le Pen or Donald Trump did.

    A retaliation policy would not be hard to devise. Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one - or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Trump has a list of 'bad' Islamic nations. We could lend that list to the Brits. We would spare some Islamic nations and concentrate on just a few. Then a prospective terrorist who would cheerfully give up his own life would have to judge if his attack is worth the lives of other hundreds or thousands of other Muslims. If the terror attacks continued we could always accelerate the exchange rate. At some point stay at home Muslims would begin to enforce anti-terrorist measures for themselves. They would turn in the terrorists so as to avoid the concomitant bombings.

    Currently there is no price that Muslims have to pay for terrorism. The Muslims are at war and they have chosen to have their battlefields on our homelands. We need to raise the price for terror and bring the battle to the Muslim home lands.

    If terrorism continues or accelerates some policy like this will be inevitable. I don't necessarily approve of such tactics but they seem very likely. Using the example I've used before on similar threads - between the wars nice civilized people everywhere looked with horror on the prospect of bombing civilian cities from the air. But as soon as the stakes got higher the Germans launched the Blitz, the Americans and British launched day and nighttime saturation bombing on the Fatherland and we dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.

    Terror bombings by lone terrorists will be met by fleets of terror bombers. Muslim civilians in the Middle East will eventually pay for the British casualties on London Bridge yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Mr. Anon, @Wilkey, @for-the-record

    Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Unfortunately, this policy has already been in effect for several decades now. The number of Muslims killed by the West, directly and indirectly (e.g., including c. 500,000 Iraqi children in Iraq during the 1990s embargo, a “price” which then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright declared was “worth it”) is certainly well over a million. It has in fact been credibly estimated at up to 4 million. By comparison, the total number of deaths due to Islamic terrorism in the West is around 4,000.

    So if you are looking at a moral balance, it is certainly not in favor of the West.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @for-the-record

    Right, except kill them over here so we won't have to kill them over there.

    Actually, I'd be fine with just mass deporting the lot of them, including those born here etc. We're sorry if we gave you the impression you could stay and live in our houses and eat our food and kill and rape us indefinitely. Now get on the boat.

    , @Pat Boyle
    @for-the-record

    You have some very muddled thinking here. If you are addressing the London attacks this weekend, do you imagine that these terrorists were driven to attack innocent civilians in some kind of an attempt to protect their homeland from the vicious Westerners?

    If the terrorists had done nothing this last weekend - there would have been no deaths. The terrorists planned and executed the attack. I can't feel guilty for some imagined offense against Islam that happened some time in the past.

    I also question your statistics. It is not the case nor has it ever been the case that Western powers have initiated the slaughter of Muslims. Ramadan this year has seen thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims. So without specifying who did the killing it is pointless to cite the gross numbers of Muslim deaths.

  349. i feel sorry for white liberal journalists.. they barely had a chance to get their ‘muslims fear backlash after manchester’ stories out then this…

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @oh its just me too

    Yeah, "Muslims fear backlash against tomorrow's attack on London."

  350. @Hyperborean
    @Greasy William

    I'm not so convinced that Muslim immigrants in Europe are that much of a threat to "Globalism" as you think. Most Muslims who I've encountered in Europe tend to be rather Western in their mindset. It might be "halal-certified globalism" but it is still "globalism", and it is even more prevalent in "youths" who sing expletive-filled rap songs and pretend to be black Americans living in urban ghettos and women who pretend to be "Islamic virgins" simply because they wear a hijab even though their heavy makeup and tight clothing that leaves little to the imagination makes one think of courtesans. At least their parents behave in a comparatively decent manner (once you factor out their on-average lower IQ and higher societal dysfunctionality). But from judging the quality of people who will grow up to be "Europe's future Muslims" I think "Globalism" will handle this great Völkerwanderung of the southern peoples just fine.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    But from judging the quality of people who will grow up to be “Europe’s future Muslims” I think “Globalism” will handle this great Völkerwanderung of the southern peoples just fine.

    I think you’re right. We have seen the future of Europe, and it is called the United States. Europe too will become a region where riding public transport is unpleasant and sometimes risky, large cities have dangerous no-go areas, middle class citizens feel compelled to arm themselves with guns for self-protection, pop culture is “vibrant” and hypersexualized, public schools are crippled by pupils who are incapable of learning and parents who don’t care, and the white lower class increasingly turn their backs on their own traditions and start adopting the more feral lifestyles of their non-white neighbors. I mean, in much of Europe this process is well under way but still not as bad as the US. The handwringing on the right about Europe’s demographic suicide is ironic considering that the US has travelled much further down that road. But far worse is the myopia of the European left and center who love to crow about Europe’s superior quality of life but don’t realize they are doing everything in their power to destroy that quality of life.

  351. @European-American
    @Daniel Chieh

    The 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack was the deadliest incident to occur in Japan since the end of World War II. The five coordinated attacks killed 12 people and injured 50. (Because it evaporates so quickly, sarin presents an immediate but short-lived threat.)

    There were also a few other attacks and murders by Aum Shinrikyo, but all in all I'd hardly call that "much greater efficiency"...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo#Incidents_before_1995

    Worst terrorist strikes--worldwide, compiled by Wm. Robert Johnston:
    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255i.html

    Unless you're referencing the crimes of imperial Japan?... Those are indeed in the same league as some of humanity's worst.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#List_of_major_crimes

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Ah, my apologies. I thought the Aum Shinrikyo attacks were a lot deadlier.

  352. @Peter Akuleyev
    @RadicalCenter


    Singapore does not have any substantial Muslim or African population
     
    15% of the population of Singapore is Muslim, which is far higher than in any European country. From what I can tell Singapore works because the government makes sure that the Muslim population not exceed 15% and is strict enough that Muslims have no illusions they can take political control.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Singapore military also not actively bombing Muslims, much less Malay Muslims, or pushing them out of their homeland.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @Opinionator

    The Singapore gov't never would buy into a slogan like "If we don't fight them over there, we will have to fight them here." I expect Singapore leadership would be puzzled and get a good belly laugh out of such nonsense, and wonder who on earth came up with such a silly idea?

    Singapore military more or less minds its own business (this makes them loser "isolationists" according to the NYT right?). They protect the borders and allow almost no immigration (more "isolationism" and "xenophobia"). They actually are able protect their own citizenry from muzzie terrorists without soldiers and bases in >150 nations. What a concept. How are they able to do that?

  353. @anon
    @carol


    Speaking out now could get you beheaded
     
    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo - they are more scared of other people thinking they are "racist" aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo – they are more scared of other people thinking they are “racist” aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    Ok “when” – or should I say: If? If that control-mechanism breaks down at all.

    The european middle-class is eroding – and fast! – This might help. The wages in Italy are those of roundabout 1980. Not long ago, the city counsil of Naples or some such offered 30 new Jobs. To handle the applicant masses, they needed the sports stadium.

    Here’s a very good article about the economic decline of the Italian middle class, unfortunately only in German, it’s from the Swis paper NZZ:

    https://www.nzz.ch/international/vor-dem-kollaps-italiens-mittelstand-verarmt-ld.144948

  354. @Yan Shen
    I'm attempting to reason with the liberals on Slate by suggesting that countries like the UK follow the example of a Japan or South Korea. Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Lot, @Daniel Chieh, @Old fogey, @AnotherDad

    Honestly at this point I sound like a broken record both here and on other blogs, but I suspect that large parts of the world could benefit from embracing an East Asian mentality on all sorts of real life issues ranging from education to immigration.

    Yeah, you do sound like a broken record.

    Your East Asianism isn’t a solution to anything. We who are Westerners like being Westerners–racially and culturally. I’m no more interested in being East Asian than I am in growing wings and flying.

    And frankly the only thing that East Asians are doing better–at this point–is borders/immigration. (And Korea is fast declining in that department.) I don’t see any great solution from East Asians on the other aspects of this–the women problem, smart female fertility, eugenic fertility.

    The West just needs to chuck this mind virus–Jewish minoritarianism/globalism/anti-nationalism. Easier said than done. But if we do do it, then we get to be Westerners again which to us is far, far superior than being some East Asian clone.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t see any great solution from East Asians on the other aspects of this–the women problem, smart female fertility, eugenic fertility.
     
    The only thing that has ever induced smart women to breed voluntarily has been religious faith. For some reason, eugenicists of all stripes never seem to give this the time of day.

    I say write off the secularists to their well-deserved disappearance, and concentrate benefits on that small segment of eager and capable breeders. Hang around churches and you'll meet some.
  355. @Chrisnonymous
    Just got on the Internet, discovered terror attack, and see PM calling for... Internet regulation! Idiots.

    Replies: @anon

    Idiots.

    traitors

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @anon

    Yup.

  356. @oh its just me too
    i feel sorry for white liberal journalists.. they barely had a chance to get their 'muslims fear backlash after manchester' stories out then this...

    Replies: @Pericles

    Yeah, “Muslims fear backlash against tomorrow’s attack on London.”

  357. @for-the-record
    @Pat Boyle

    Simply announce that if there are further attacks British forces will retaliate in the ratio of a hundred to one – or a thousand to one. So if some Muslim terrorist from somewhere kills three people in England then British forces will kill three hundred (or three thousand) Muslims.

    Unfortunately, this policy has already been in effect for several decades now. The number of Muslims killed by the West, directly and indirectly (e.g., including c. 500,000 Iraqi children in Iraq during the 1990s embargo, a "price" which then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright declared was "worth it") is certainly well over a million. It has in fact been credibly estimated at up to 4 million. By comparison, the total number of deaths due to Islamic terrorism in the West is around 4,000.

    So if you are looking at a moral balance, it is certainly not in favor of the West.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Pat Boyle

    Right, except kill them over here so we won’t have to kill them over there.

    Actually, I’d be fine with just mass deporting the lot of them, including those born here etc. We’re sorry if we gave you the impression you could stay and live in our houses and eat our food and kill and rape us indefinitely. Now get on the boat.

  358. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This recent rash of terrorism in England will be sure to make the English people regret their anti-Brexit vote.

    As any person who isn’t a deplorable nazi knows, it only makes the Islamic people more likely to commit terrorism if we question whether or not to continue to allowing them to enter our countries. The answer is to increase, not decrease Islamic immigration in the face of terrorism; what would truly would be a tragedy would be if diversity were to suffer.

  359. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    The alt right oddly enough also seems to be backing Corbyn over May. Partly because of accelerationism and partly because it seems like UKIP has totally deflated since Farage stepping down the first time. It is shocking how incompetent May has been as a PM, not because I figured she would do better, it's more that she's just that incompetent that it continues to surprise.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Randal, @Jack Hanson, @Intelligent Dasein, @jim jones

    The Daily Mail, which is the propaganda organ of the Conservative Party, loves Theresa May

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jim jones

    They just ran a very anti-May Piers Morgan opinion.

    Government now floundering over Saudi money and terrorism, handing Corbyn his talking points on a silver platter.

  360. @englishmike
    @e

    One witness described the men as “of Mediterranean or Asian colouring.”

    In general, the British don't use "Asian", as Americans do, to describe East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Malaysians, etc.); it is more a catch-all category comprising Indians and Pakistanis, North Africans and what you call "Middle Eastern". This is probably because our experience had - until the current migrant crisis - mainly been of Indians and Pakistanis because of our links through the former British Empire. Similarly, many (most?) British Chinese came here from Hong Kong rather than the Chinese mainland.

    The witness you quoted may have been evasive, as you imply. But to be fair, he may have had in mind the North African states which border the south of the Mediterranean, especially if it was fresh in his mind that the Manchester bomber was the son of a Libyan family.

    Replies: @e

    Thanks. Yes, that makes sense.

  361. Anybody have any idea how much Saudi money is invested in Western MSM? Serious question.

  362. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @syonredux

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1).

    Nope. Muslims, especially as their percentage of the population has grown, have increasingly called for national sharia law take overs.

    Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    You’re imputing logic upon goat molesters. And you also fail to note their attacks have only opened borders FURTHER in the countries they attack. Even simpletons like these 9th century barbarians can see they are gaining power the more they push for it.

  363. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @syonredux

    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.

    Nah. The SJW narrative demands that we take in more Muslims after terrorist attacks. If we don’t, that means that we are surrendering to “hate.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @syonredux

    There is another moronic meme doing the rounds that controlling our borders is playing into the terrorists hands.

    Because radical Islamic leaders actually want a Muslimfrei Europe!

    Strangely I can find no evidence to support this position. But it doesn't stop libtards repeating it.

  364. @bomag
    @Anonym


    However, once whites are pushed into a...
     
    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    If a people are so pathologically altruistic, or so easily fooled, that looks to be fatal flaw that an angry push back won't overcome.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    One can’t be right all the time. Neither can civilizations. I think Glubb is right about empires – they naturally become effete and decadent over time. However PC is rapidly being abandoned. And white people are again encountering hardship. Hardship is good for building resolve, sacrifice, grit and determination.

    It would have been nice if all this could have been avoided. The Frankfurt School has had a lot to do with it. However some people don’t learn except through experience unfortunately.

    If it comes down to a civil war of majority whites vs non-whites, my money is on whites. The genetics we have is largely the same as WW2. Our fighting ability will be similar.

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Anonym

    If it comes down to a civil war of majority whites vs non-whites, my money is on whites. The genetics we have is largely the same as WW2. Our fighting ability will be similar.

    I'd have to disagree here. First, because what about logistics, materiel, and so on? "Fighting ability" alone can only get you so far (ask the Japanese about how "fighting spirit" matches to industrial might). And on whose side will the companies who make the weapons of modern war, who supply the ammo, the engineers, and the logistics chains that keep the machines going be? Those who can pay their bills, and that's the government. And whose side will the government elites be on?

    Because that gets to the next point. By the time it finally "comes down" to an open, "hot" civil war (rather than our present cold one), will whites still be a majority? And particularly, the whites fighting against the "non-whites", since plenty of whites will side with the non-whites against the badwhites, and this especially is true of those in positions of power and authority, right? Including at least a sizeable chunk of those who give the orders to those who fight. How many of our present day generals and admirals will side with the "multicultural establishment"? (Or are themselves nonwhites, or women, or others who owe their rank entirely to left-wing politics?) Or, for that matter, the colonels and the captains? The chiefs of police in our cities? Or even the police lieutenants, for that matter? On whom will the NSA and such be spying, and to whose striking forces will they report that intel?

    Quantity may have a quality of its own, but not as much as it used to back in the peak days of "the Age of the Gun". Numbers, fighting skill, and genetic superiority matter, but they're not the only things that matter, and the other things that matter look to be arrayed against us, more and more each passing day with our present trends.

    Replies: @Anonym

  365. Tangentially related, but I have finally figured out why Western leaders and elites aren’t doing anything about it.

    Equality.

    If the West were to accept that Muslims shouldn’t be coming here (because they disproportionately murder non-Muslims), it would admitting that all religions are not equal. It would be suggesting that perhaps Muslim immigrants be replace by other immigrants (Buddhist? Christian? Jewish?) because those other immigrants are simply better (i.e. they don’t kill as much).

    But if we admit that some religions aren’t equal to others, we may notice other things, as well. Thus, Muslim immigration represents a crack in the facade-open the floodgates on noticing terrorism (and actually doing something about it), and we might notice other things (black crime or scholastic accomplishment, female effectiveness in the workplace or in the army, homosexual married and sexual behavior, and so on), and we might do something about them as well.

    Its your own war on noticing.

    Equality is universal, or it is not true.

    joeyjoejoe

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @joeyjoejoe

    I've made similar arguments as to why liberals insist that Islamists and "radical" Muslims are "distorting" the religion, and that what "moderate" Westernized Muslims are practicing is the "true Islam", despite most Muslim scholars of Islam disagreeing. It's because that many Leftists seem to hold a variant of that old belief that all religions, rightly understood, are simply "different paths" to the same Truth. Namely, that all religions "rightly understood" are Leftism. Because if you argue that Real Islam isn't as compatible with Progress as other religions and cultures, you've argued that cultures and religions aren't equal on the axis that matters most to the Left. (And further, even the Left seems to at least implicitly notice the correlations between "culture" and "ethnicity", in that, for examply, purely cultural criticisms of "inner city culture" are condemned not as "cultural insensitivity" or "cultural bigotry", but racism.) Note how quickly several leading lights of the New Atheists were turned on by the Left when they began Noticing that core doctrines of Islam are a bit less "modernity-friendly" than, say, Christianity.

    , @anon
    @joeyjoejoe


    I have finally figured out why Western leaders and elites aren’t doing anything about it. Equality.
     
    for the genuine 1968er types (and not all SJWs are genuine) it's their religion. any deviation from the blank slate in any area - race, religion, gender etc - leads to the whole construct coming down.

    that's not the whole reason though - you can see by campaign funding that vast sums of money have been spent on bribing the political class to provide cheap labor - and the same people doing the bribing own the media and get them to promote the same open borders agenda
  366. @Moshe
    @Opinionator

    Ah, you're overthinking things. You might say such a thing of Thinkers like BLadin but you're giving these small fry way too much credit.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses’ mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this –

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Opinionator

    Motivations for Osama Bin Laden:

    Establishing a world-wide caliphate.

    But nice try on the lie there, kiddo.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @lavoisier
    @Opinionator

    More like justifications rather than motivations.

    But although Western political leaders may be democratically elected, they are surely not responding to the will of the people who elected them. If they were, we would not be involved in all these crazy wars in the first place.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Opinionator

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Poor fools. They just don't understand that the Western elite are on their side:


    Conman Blair's cynical conspiracy to deceive the British people and let in 2million migrants against the rules: Explosive new biography lays ex-PM's betrayal bare
     

    Tony Blair presided over a silent conspiracy to change the face of Britain for ever with mass immigration, an explosive book reveals.
    He ordered his Labour government never to discuss in public the supposed ‘advantages’ of the unprecedented influx.
    But behind the scenes ministers were instructed to wave tens of thousands of asylum seekers into the UK under cover of their being ‘economic migrants’. Astonishingly, the minister Mr Blair put in charge of borders ruled against deporting failed claimants because it would be too ‘emotional’.
     

    The main aim of allowing in millions of people was to make the country ‘see the benefit of a multicultural society’. The Blair government did not see its job as being to ‘control immigration'.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.
     

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
     
    Key words, there: "You, your."These individuals were born in the UK but did not think of themselves as British. Further proof that Muslims should not be allowed to live in the West.
    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East:


    Twin bombings in Baghdad, just hours apart, targeted young families having a late-night Ramadan snack and older city residents collecting their pensions.

    ISIS claimed responsibility for the Tuesday attacks, which killed 22 people, through its affiliate news agency Amaq.
    The first bomb, which killed 10 people and wounded 40 others, exploded at an ice cream shop in the heart of Baghdad in the early hours. Eyewitnesses described ice cream mixed with blood as the wounded and dead covered the ground.
     
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/middleeast/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-bombing/

    Coptic Christians killed in Minya bus attack
    Children among bus passengers targeted while going to a monastery in Minya province, prompting hunt for the attackers.
     

    At least 28 Coptic Christians have been killed and dozens more wounded by armed men who attacked them while they were travelling to a monastery in Egypt's Minya province.

    The Christians were headed on Friday to the Saint Samuel Monastery, located outside Minya city, about 220km south of the capital Cairo, when the masked attackers, who came in three pickup trucks, opened fire of them before fleeing the scene.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/egypt-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-170526100440001.html

    Cairo: 25 killed by bomb blast near St Mark's Cathedral
    Explosion during mass targeted worshippers inside St Peter's Church next to the main Coptic church in central Cairo.

     


    A bomb blast has killed at least 25 people during Sunday mass inside a Cairo church near the main Coptic Christian cathedral, according to Egyptian state TV .

    The explosion ripped through St Peter's Church at around 10:00am local time, wounding at least another 49 people, according to Egyptian health ministry cited on state TV.

    St Peter's Church is beside St Mark's Cathedral, which is the seat of Egypt's Orthodox Christian church and is home to the office of its spiritual leader, Pope Tawadros II.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/egypt-20-killed-bomb-blast-coptic-cathedral-161211093122198.html

    Deadly blasts hit Coptic churches in Tanta, Alexandria
    Three-month state of emergency after blasts target Coptic churches in Tanta and Alexandria, in attacks claimed by ISIL.
     

    At least 27 people have been killed in an explosion inside a church in the Egyptian Nile Delta city of Tanta, state media reported, as another blast killed 16 in front of a church in the coastal city of Alexandria.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) armed group on Sunday claimed responsibility for both attacks, in a statement via its Amaq website. It said they were carried out by two of its fighters wearing suicide vests.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/explosion-hits-egypt-tanta-161127070517863.html

    Replies: @Opinionator, @oh its just me too

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Opinionator

    What were their motives at Lepanto or Andalusia?

  367. @Uebersetzer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That, and a few other things.
    One of the dead was from Ireland and was not killed outright. He actually issued a statement before he died exonerating the soldiers. He said in his native Ireland British troops opened fire on crowds with far less provocation than they had received in Boston.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    The Brit soldiers in America were relatively new. One reason they were so hated was that the colonies had been settled by private individuals and defended by local militias. That meant when the Indians went around scalping and terrorizing the Crown did nothing, leaving the colonists to handle it themselves.

    It was only after the colonies were settled that the British soliders showed up…to collect taxes the home country wanted that had never before been demanded and that served to purpose to the colonists. The colonists were not only armed and dangerous, they felt exploited by a home government out to steal the fruits of the land they’d settled.

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
    @whorefinder

    On the other hand, American colonists were not agitating for British troops to depart during the French and Indian War (Seven Years' War in Europe). After all, there were French regular troops in Canada. But after the French were defeated and Canada occupied, the British military presence became more burdensome.

  368. @Moshe
    @Opinionator

    Ah, you're overthinking things. You might say such a thing of Thinkers like BLadin but you're giving these small fry way too much credit.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    Opinionator is a paid troll, probably Saudi in origin, or perhaps Media Matters. Everything bad about Muslims is always caused by our bombing the Middle East, according to him. Islam is a religion of peace, I tell you!

  369. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    Motivations for Osama Bin Laden:

    Establishing a world-wide caliphate.

    But nice try on the lie there, kiddo.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    You are incorrect. The truth is here:

    1996 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

    1998 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1998.pdf

    Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” (Nov. 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    More

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-fbis.pdf

    Replies: @whorefinder

  370. @Anonymouse
    @Pat Boyle

    It caanot be denied that something like this scenario is within the realm of the possible.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    Sure it can. I strongly doubt such a thing is possible anymore.

  371. @Perspective
    "It appears that one terrorist strategy is to hit extremely famous spots (such as Westminster Bridge next to Big Ben, or the defeated assault on the Louvre) to disrupt tourism.

    I hear the Eiffel Tower will soon be surrounded by a glass wall.

    I hope St. Peter’s Basilica has extra security. Is that the most famous place in Europe?"

    A similar thought actually occurred to me today as I was reading a travel magazine on holiday deals to Europe before the attack happened. If people visit Europe to experience European culture , that would obviously mean people want to see European people to get a better appreciation and understanding of that culture. Why doesn't the tourist industry start lobbying for sensible immigration and foreign security policies that would preserve European demographic hegemony? Of course European countries still have mostly 80-85 percent plus majorities, but in Paris I hear even the central city is experiencing Islamification and Africanization.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @European-American, @Anon, @anon, @Bill B.

    I’ve had several Thais and Singaporeans in recent months ask me why London (an iconic city in their eyes) has so many “Indians” and “(words probably best not written here)”and “Why would the British do that?”

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Bill B.

    Surely you saw this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/07/row-as-air-china-warns-on-londons-indian-pakistani-and-black-nei/

    Replies: @Bill B.

    , @anon
    @Bill B.


    “Why would the British do that?”
     
    Their politicians were bribed.
  372. @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    Singapore was majority Indian after the war?

    Balderdash!

    The census of 1947 recorded a population of 940,824 comprising 75.2 percent Chinese, 12.9 percent Malay, 7.7 percent Indians, 1.3 percent Eurasians, and 2.9 percent Europeans and other communities.[17]

    http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/97c37d90-b4f7-4d9b-8306-6fb2c4476c59#17

  373. @joeyjoejoe
    Tangentially related, but I have finally figured out why Western leaders and elites aren't doing anything about it.

    Equality.

    If the West were to accept that Muslims shouldn't be coming here (because they disproportionately murder non-Muslims), it would admitting that all religions are not equal. It would be suggesting that perhaps Muslim immigrants be replace by other immigrants (Buddhist? Christian? Jewish?) because those other immigrants are simply better (i.e. they don't kill as much).

    But if we admit that some religions aren't equal to others, we may notice other things, as well. Thus, Muslim immigration represents a crack in the facade-open the floodgates on noticing terrorism (and actually doing something about it), and we might notice other things (black crime or scholastic accomplishment, female effectiveness in the workplace or in the army, homosexual married and sexual behavior, and so on), and we might do something about them as well.

    Its your own war on noticing.

    Equality is universal, or it is not true.

    joeyjoejoe

    Replies: @Kevin C., @anon

    I’ve made similar arguments as to why liberals insist that Islamists and “radical” Muslims are “distorting” the religion, and that what “moderate” Westernized Muslims are practicing is the “true Islam”, despite most Muslim scholars of Islam disagreeing. It’s because that many Leftists seem to hold a variant of that old belief that all religions, rightly understood, are simply “different paths” to the same Truth. Namely, that all religions “rightly understood” are Leftism. Because if you argue that Real Islam isn’t as compatible with Progress as other religions and cultures, you’ve argued that cultures and religions aren’t equal on the axis that matters most to the Left. (And further, even the Left seems to at least implicitly notice the correlations between “culture” and “ethnicity”, in that, for examply, purely cultural criticisms of “inner city culture” are condemned not as “cultural insensitivity” or “cultural bigotry”, but racism.) Note how quickly several leading lights of the New Atheists were turned on by the Left when they began Noticing that core doctrines of Islam are a bit less “modernity-friendly” than, say, Christianity.

  374. @James Richard
    @Kylie


    No. Because that’s not who the English are.
     
    ORLY?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    Replies: @Kylie

    Your link is to who the English WERE.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  375. @Wilkey
    At some point if the government doesn't start defending the interests of native Britons and start reducing levels of Muslim immigration the people will start to take matters into their own hands. It may not be happening as soon as you'd think it would, but it's not a matter of if, but when. Rotherham, Lee Rigby, Manchester, London Bridge, the tube bombings...A limit will be reached.

    Replies: @Dave, @SteveRogers42, @Frau Katze, @lavoisier

    The limit for a sane population should have been reached some time ago.

    Too many forces at work to prevent the smart and the courageous from doing what is necessary to save their country. The major negative force being brain dead white liberals. Simply too many of these sanctimonious fools alive today and in positions of power.

    However, should economic calamity befall the nation, and people start to go hungry, the equation could change rapidly as even a brain dead white liberal who is hungry might begin to question some things. Liberals are invariably hypocrites and fools, but they don’t suffer real injuries with equanimity.

    • Replies: @anon
    @lavoisier


    However, should economic calamity befall the nation, and people start to go hungry, the equation could change rapidly as even a brain dead white liberal who is hungry might begin to question some things.
     
    The traitors know this and also know economic calamity is coming - that's why Merkel and the EU opened the borders to the middle-east - they need to finish off Europeans before the tipping point comes.
  376. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    More like justifications rather than motivations.

    But although Western political leaders may be democratically elected, they are surely not responding to the will of the people who elected them. If they were, we would not be involved in all these crazy wars in the first place.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @lavoisier

    Not so sure about that. Both Iraq invasions had the support of strong majorities. Same with Afghanistan. Same with recent Syria airstrikes. And most importantly, our collusion with the Zionist entity continues to enjoy broad support.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Opinionator
    @lavoisier

    Moreover, Trump was just elected on a pledge to "knock the hell out of ISIS."

  377. @Opinionator
    @anon

    Corbyn’s response to Manchester has been that it is blowback from British involvement in Middle East wars.

    He's right of course.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bill B.

    No, the Jihadists are not attacking European countries because of their foreign policy.

    They are attacking them because they are full of filthy kaffirs and it is the good Muslim’s duty to attack the kaffirs that refuse to submit. This is very clearly spelled out in the Jihadist literature.

    Boualem Sansal, the superb and brave Algerian writer, in Le Figaro last week said that Islamists think Europe is “in play” and ready for the plucking.

    He said that Daesh/ISIS is probably doomed but it will make no difference; just as the demise of the Algerian FIS, the destruction of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the ousting of the Taliban from Kabul etc. did little to halt the spread of Islamism. Indeed whatever replaces ISIS will likely have an even more cruel and more obdurate leader.

    The Islamists, Sansal said, leap like wolves on European weakness and ignorance to lard the West with Sunni Islamic communities where sharia law is obligatory. Defeat and victory are the same for the Islamists: victory means expansion; defeat means the ‘moderate’ Muslims are pandered to by a West that slowing succumbs to Wahabi-style Islam.

    He pointed out that Islamism with the sword is actually expanding faster in Europe now than it is in the MENA countries where typically tough but effective local religious frameworks hold it at bay.

    Personally I think he is right: there is no mechanism in Islam to switch off the jihadi gene and there is seeming nothing to persuade Western authorities that Jihadi atrocities are not eruptions with wholly mysterious causes. This will continue for some time.

    (The article is behind a paywall but I googled a chunk of the text to find a copy).

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Bill B.

    It's simple retaliation. You really that expect you can bomb and invade other countries and some of their men won't try to fight back?

    1996 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

    1998 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1998.pdf

    Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” (Nov. 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    More

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-fbis.pdf

    Replies: @Bill B.

  378. @Anonym
    @bomag

    Seems like a wane hope. The point of intelligence and civilization is to see far enough ahead to avoid needing that kind of emotional disaster to elicit action.

    One can't be right all the time. Neither can civilizations. I think Glubb is right about empires - they naturally become effete and decadent over time. However PC is rapidly being abandoned. And white people are again encountering hardship. Hardship is good for building resolve, sacrifice, grit and determination.

    It would have been nice if all this could have been avoided. The Frankfurt School has had a lot to do with it. However some people don't learn except through experience unfortunately.

    If it comes down to a civil war of majority whites vs non-whites, my money is on whites. The genetics we have is largely the same as WW2. Our fighting ability will be similar.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    If it comes down to a civil war of majority whites vs non-whites, my money is on whites. The genetics we have is largely the same as WW2. Our fighting ability will be similar.

    I’d have to disagree here. First, because what about logistics, materiel, and so on? “Fighting ability” alone can only get you so far (ask the Japanese about how “fighting spirit” matches to industrial might). And on whose side will the companies who make the weapons of modern war, who supply the ammo, the engineers, and the logistics chains that keep the machines going be? Those who can pay their bills, and that’s the government. And whose side will the government elites be on?

    Because that gets to the next point. By the time it finally “comes down” to an open, “hot” civil war (rather than our present cold one), will whites still be a majority? And particularly, the whites fighting against the “non-whites”, since plenty of whites will side with the non-whites against the badwhites, and this especially is true of those in positions of power and authority, right? Including at least a sizeable chunk of those who give the orders to those who fight. How many of our present day generals and admirals will side with the “multicultural establishment”? (Or are themselves nonwhites, or women, or others who owe their rank entirely to left-wing politics?) Or, for that matter, the colonels and the captains? The chiefs of police in our cities? Or even the police lieutenants, for that matter? On whom will the NSA and such be spying, and to whose striking forces will they report that intel?

    Quantity may have a quality of its own, but not as much as it used to back in the peak days of “the Age of the Gun”. Numbers, fighting skill, and genetic superiority matter, but they’re not the only things that matter, and the other things that matter look to be arrayed against us, more and more each passing day with our present trends.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Kevin C.

    Those who can pay their bills, and that’s the government. And whose side will the government elites be on?

    That's a good question. Remember, the government elites are composed of people. People like you and me, potentially. The majority of white people in the USA voted for Trump. The majority of white people in Britain voted for Brexit. I couldn't see either of those campaigns gaining traction a decade ago.

    I remember researching Islam back in the early 2000s, maybe 2002 or 2003 I think it was. This put me in very select company. It was my conclusion then, as it is now, that the only workable solution is mass repatriation. I suspect most friends and family thought I was crazy for being concerned about Islam then. But now, there would have to be millions of us who know the basics of the religion and understand that it is Islam, not "radical" or "extremist" Islam that is the problem. It is quite amazing to me to see these changes. But then again, in a lot of things in life I'm an early adopter, so I've seen it happen a few times now. The internet, multiplayer games, MMA. I really should have invested accordingly. I suppose I should invest in arms companies now or suchlike.

    Most people know arithmetic but beyond that are fairly innumerate. They do not understand rates of change. They do not understand how the attitudes of society change. Just as they do not understand rates of growth of non-whites in our countries, they also do not understand the changing and hardening of white attitudes. They do not look at the past and see how wars began, how ethnic cleansing began. The seeds for wars etc. are sown years, usually decades before the first shots are fired.

    Whites are already showing that their votes are not guaranteed to the major parties. Lesser evil is not good enough. "What's in it for me?" is starting to be asked by more and more people. We are staging our own "long march through the institutions". It's just a numbers game - people know the score and they keep their mouths shut, biding their time. When it builds to a sufficient level, we will hire and fire like dot Indians, and damn the letter of the law.

    So I guess what I am saying is that when the time comes, the establishment will be pro-white. There will be non-whites, but frozen out basically. There will likely be purges to bring this about.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

  379. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    Poor fools. They just don’t understand that the Western elite are on their side:

    Conman Blair’s cynical conspiracy to deceive the British people and let in 2million migrants against the rules: Explosive new biography lays ex-PM’s betrayal bare

    Tony Blair presided over a silent conspiracy to change the face of Britain for ever with mass immigration, an explosive book reveals.
    He ordered his Labour government never to discuss in public the supposed ‘advantages’ of the unprecedented influx.
    But behind the scenes ministers were instructed to wave tens of thousands of asylum seekers into the UK under cover of their being ‘economic migrants’. Astonishingly, the minister Mr Blair put in charge of borders ruled against deporting failed claimants because it would be too ‘emotional’.

    The main aim of allowing in millions of people was to make the country ‘see the benefit of a multicultural society’. The Blair government did not see its job as being to ‘control immigration’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux



    But behind the scenes ministers were instructed to wave tens of thousands of asylum seekers into the UK under cover of their being ‘economic migrants’. Astonishingly, the minister Mr Blair put in charge of borders ruled against deporting failed claimants because it would be too ‘emotional’.
     

     
    Her name is Barbara Roche.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Roche

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister

  380. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this –

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Key words, there: “You, your.”These individuals were born in the UK but did not think of themselves as British. Further proof that Muslims should not be allowed to live in the West.

  381. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East:

    Twin bombings in Baghdad, just hours apart, targeted young families having a late-night Ramadan snack and older city residents collecting their pensions.

    ISIS claimed responsibility for the Tuesday attacks, which killed 22 people, through its affiliate news agency Amaq.
    The first bomb, which killed 10 people and wounded 40 others, exploded at an ice cream shop in the heart of Baghdad in the early hours. Eyewitnesses described ice cream mixed with blood as the wounded and dead covered the ground.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/middleeast/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-bombing/

    Coptic Christians killed in Minya bus attack
    Children among bus passengers targeted while going to a monastery in Minya province, prompting hunt for the attackers.

    At least 28 Coptic Christians have been killed and dozens more wounded by armed men who attacked them while they were travelling to a monastery in Egypt’s Minya province.

    The Christians were headed on Friday to the Saint Samuel Monastery, located outside Minya city, about 220km south of the capital Cairo, when the masked attackers, who came in three pickup trucks, opened fire of them before fleeing the scene.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/egypt-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-170526100440001.html

    Cairo: 25 killed by bomb blast near St Mark’s Cathedral
    Explosion during mass targeted worshippers inside St Peter’s Church next to the main Coptic church in central Cairo.

    A bomb blast has killed at least 25 people during Sunday mass inside a Cairo church near the main Coptic Christian cathedral, according to Egyptian state TV .

    The explosion ripped through St Peter’s Church at around 10:00am local time, wounding at least another 49 people, according to Egyptian health ministry cited on state TV.

    St Peter’s Church is beside St Mark’s Cathedral, which is the seat of Egypt’s Orthodox Christian church and is home to the office of its spiritual leader, Pope Tawadros II.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/egypt-20-killed-bomb-blast-coptic-cathedral-161211093122198.html

    Deadly blasts hit Coptic churches in Tanta, Alexandria
    Three-month state of emergency after blasts target Coptic churches in Tanta and Alexandria, in attacks claimed by ISIL.

    At least 27 people have been killed in an explosion inside a church in the Egyptian Nile Delta city of Tanta, state media reported, as another blast killed 16 in front of a church in the coastal city of Alexandria.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) armed group on Sunday claimed responsibility for both attacks, in a statement via its Amaq website. It said they were carried out by two of its fighters wearing suicide vests.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/explosion-hits-egypt-tanta-161127070517863.html

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @John Gruskos

    , @oh its just me too
    @syonredux

    to many of our elite that's actually a plus -globalists definitely see Christianity as something to be eradicated.

    There have been multiple discussions here about Jewish motivation for this - why would they support something that seemingly is bringing about their own demise.

    First I don't think the elites will feel it - or the Jewish intellectuals - and like the effects of Zionism on Jews in Muslim countries in 1948, they probably just don't care or see it as a plus

    but there is another important, overlooked aspect - Jews have always seem the ottomon/muslim overuns of Europe as fulfilling prophecies of medieval rabbis who thought that for the true messiah to come, the kingdoms of the 'false' messiah (eg Christian) first had to be eradicated.

    Modern secular jews probably don't believe this but it might be internalized in their psyche -for multiculti paradise to come, white christians must go.

  382. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East:


    Twin bombings in Baghdad, just hours apart, targeted young families having a late-night Ramadan snack and older city residents collecting their pensions.

    ISIS claimed responsibility for the Tuesday attacks, which killed 22 people, through its affiliate news agency Amaq.
    The first bomb, which killed 10 people and wounded 40 others, exploded at an ice cream shop in the heart of Baghdad in the early hours. Eyewitnesses described ice cream mixed with blood as the wounded and dead covered the ground.
     
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/middleeast/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-bombing/

    Coptic Christians killed in Minya bus attack
    Children among bus passengers targeted while going to a monastery in Minya province, prompting hunt for the attackers.
     

    At least 28 Coptic Christians have been killed and dozens more wounded by armed men who attacked them while they were travelling to a monastery in Egypt's Minya province.

    The Christians were headed on Friday to the Saint Samuel Monastery, located outside Minya city, about 220km south of the capital Cairo, when the masked attackers, who came in three pickup trucks, opened fire of them before fleeing the scene.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/egypt-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-170526100440001.html

    Cairo: 25 killed by bomb blast near St Mark's Cathedral
    Explosion during mass targeted worshippers inside St Peter's Church next to the main Coptic church in central Cairo.

     


    A bomb blast has killed at least 25 people during Sunday mass inside a Cairo church near the main Coptic Christian cathedral, according to Egyptian state TV .

    The explosion ripped through St Peter's Church at around 10:00am local time, wounding at least another 49 people, according to Egyptian health ministry cited on state TV.

    St Peter's Church is beside St Mark's Cathedral, which is the seat of Egypt's Orthodox Christian church and is home to the office of its spiritual leader, Pope Tawadros II.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/egypt-20-killed-bomb-blast-coptic-cathedral-161211093122198.html

    Deadly blasts hit Coptic churches in Tanta, Alexandria
    Three-month state of emergency after blasts target Coptic churches in Tanta and Alexandria, in attacks claimed by ISIL.
     

    At least 27 people have been killed in an explosion inside a church in the Egyptian Nile Delta city of Tanta, state media reported, as another blast killed 16 in front of a church in the coastal city of Alexandria.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) armed group on Sunday claimed responsibility for both attacks, in a statement via its Amaq website. It said they were carried out by two of its fighters wearing suicide vests.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/explosion-hits-egypt-tanta-161127070517863.html

    Replies: @Opinionator, @oh its just me too

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.
     
    Dunno, dear boy. Muslims are really keen on killing Middle Eastern Christians.......
    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    And then there's Muslim violence against the Yazidis.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL#Massacres.2C_sexual_slavery.2C_forced_exile


    And then there's what the Muslims are doing to Yazidi women.....A foreshadowing of the treatment that European women will receive once Europe is conquered by the forces of Muhammad.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL#Abduction_of_women.3B_sexual_slavery

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Guley can see her village from Mount Sinjar. It isn't far - a short drive down twisting roads into the dusty plains below - but beyond reach, and for almost two years she's been unable to return.

    Her family was among the hundreds of thousands who fled as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) swept across northern Iraq's Sinjar region in August 2014 and captured the town of the same name.

    Civilians rarely escape the group's notorious cruelty, but as members of the ancient Yazidi religious minority, they had particular reason to fear. ISIL considers the sect heretical "devil worshippers" to be either captured, converted, or executed.
     

    Many weren't quick or lucky enough to follow. ISIL slaughtered entire villages, killing at least 5,000 Yazidi men and boys and abducting as many as 7,000 women and girls as sex slaves. It was a methodical campaign of murder, rape, and slavery that UN investigators said in June amounted to genocide.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/iraq-yazidis-living-fear-mount-sinjar-160726063155982.html
    , @John Gruskos
    @Opinionator

    Middle Eastern Christians seem to be the only group which isn't killing people.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  383. @anon
    @Chebyshev

    What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn't a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.
    Like the Muslims later on, they never assimilated and remained hostile to British people and their way of life.

    Replies: @anon, @Lot, @Daniel H, @James Richard, @daniel le mouche

    I’m sure you’ll readily agree that it was the Anglo Saxons that rather forcefully ‘admitted’ themselves to Britain a millenium and a half ago, and that it was THEY who over many centuries tormented the Celts of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. It was the charming Cromwell who created the hell known as Northern Ireland, using the tried old trick of importing foreigners, whose progeny within a generation or two are just as ‘native’ as the true natives. Before him, it was the charming Englishwoman Elizabeth who ordered all Catholics in England drawn and quartered, whether Irish or English. Terrorism is the weapon of the bullied. How was one to fight the power of the British Empire and Crown? That’s the only way. They were totally justified, no matter how the English moan about every precious Anglo Saxon killed, convenientlychoosing to ignore the utter destruction of Ireland by their ancestors.

    • Replies: @anon
    @daniel le mouche

    You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Here's a couple of facts for you.
    Catholics make up 7% of the population of England, and 30% of those incarcerated criminals.
    That figure doesn't take into account Irish Catholics incarcerated in English prisons.

    Replies: @daniel le mouche

    , @Opinionator
    @daniel le mouche

    Terrorism is the weapon of the bullied. How was one to fight the power of the British Empire and Crown? That’s the only way. They were totally justified, no matter how the English moan about every precious Anglo Saxon killed, convenientlychoosing to ignore the utter destruction of Ireland by their ancestors.

    By this measure, are Muslim terror attacks on Britain and the United States also justified?

    Replies: @daniel le mouche

  384. @Opinionator
    @Hail

    We've bombed plenty of Muslims already in the Middle East.

    Replies: @Hail, @SteveRogers42

    It would seen a lot different when they’re on the other side of your own town.

  385. @Kylie
    @Hail

    "Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?"

    No. Because that's not who the English are.

    Replies: @James Richard, @Rosamond Vincy, @Hail

    that’s not who the English are.

    Strictly speaking, it’s not who the Muslims are, either…but…

  386. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    With Muslims, there are two motivations: (1) end of bombing of Muslim countries; and (2) complete Muslim-Sharia takeover of British/French/European countries.

    The explanation they repeatedly give for their attacks on Western targets relates almost exclusively to (1). Moreover, these attacks tend to fruatrate the objective you allege in (2), inasmuch as they increase the probability that Muslim immigration will face greater restrictions.
     
    Nah. The SJW narrative demands that we take in more Muslims after terrorist attacks. If we don't, that means that we are surrendering to "hate."

    Replies: @Lurker

    There is another moronic meme doing the rounds that controlling our borders is playing into the terrorists hands.

    Because radical Islamic leaders actually want a Muslimfrei Europe!

    Strangely I can find no evidence to support this position. But it doesn’t stop libtards repeating it.

  387. @al gore rhythms
    @Lot

    The Jewish demographic in Eastern Europe has diminished a great deal since about 1940.

    There will probably be quite a large section in your local library dealing with this if you are interested.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @peterike

    The fiction section, right?

  388. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Putting their faith in a woman (La Pen) was a bad idea. The French were probably thinking of St. Joan of Arc, but she wasn't some middle aged, supremely-organized, long-in-wait French political actor and scion of the French Right, but a mystic visionary country girl who went by her lonesome and personally rallied the beleaguered troops to stunning victories because, quite frankly, the regular French establishment had failed them and was all but giving up to become a rump state and vassal of the English.

    The French, like the Brits, need to be led by men. Brave native French and British white men of traditional stock, non-gay, and of the traditional national religion. You'll note that Viktor Orban and Vladimir Putin and Bibi Netanyahu fit these bills, and their countries are achieving success. Trump is doing so here in America. Enough of this Theresa May-Marine Le Pen soft-feminism nonsense.

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she'll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge. Enough of this female nonsense. If France needs a great female leader God will send her, just as he did St. Joan of Arc. Until then, He orders men to lead.

    Replies: @European-American, @Frau Katze, @Kyle McKenna, @Anonymous

    If La Pen really wants her movement to succeed, she’ll find a bold white Gallic straight Catholic French man and put him in charge.

    Lol, I started reading your comment and was just about to ask where these brave men are hiding, and then this crap. Not much of a bold go-getter if he needs Le Pen to search for him and hold his hand.

  389. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @anon

    Not to mention the symbolic value of having the wall. Does anonymous really believe that low end Latin Americans, who probably have a 85 IQ at best (they're not sending their best), will come up with an effective enough scheme to get over a big, beautiful wall? Does anonymous also not think that you can't have border patrols along the wall? Heck, with technology being as cheap as it is you could probably have sensors that could send drones to perform a preliminary investigation and if it detects human movement, border patrol agents can be dispatched to the site.

    The defeatism being shown here is utterly pathetic. It's sad that there are some people who think the only situation is to roll over and get taken over. Sad!

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Hanson

    For examples, see any thread on Trump here.

  390. @Lot
    @Jimbo in OPKS

    The current polls showed her majority increasing by 20 seats. Corbyn's Labour is fully Muslimist now and doomed.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Really?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569566/Shock-poll-reveals-Tories-lead-just-1.html

    I know that polling, especially election polling, is suspect in the main these days, but the Tories, like our GOP, have the issue to remain in power for the foreseeable future, but neither can’t find their asses with both hands.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Brutusale

    the Tories in the UK, like GOPe in the US, are traitors - they are paid to keep the borders open by the banking mafia

    they won't do anything about jihadism for thesame reason they won't do anything about all the people raped and killed by illegal immigrants - jihadism is an immigration problem

    all they'll do is make more laws to stop people talking about it

  391. @kaganovitch
    @Jack Hanson

    Were the sarin attacks, nork in origin?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Oh man, you really showed me with your nearly 3 decade old attack. Show me the one before that, TIA.

  392. @Yan Shen
    Here's the question that I'm posing to the liberals on Slate mindlessly parroting standard liberal talking points that they've been fed most of their lives.

    "There have been 3 terrorist attacks in the UK in the past 2 months alone. How far back would we have to go in a country like South Korea or Japan to find 3 such terrorist attacks?"

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

    Other than the funboys from Aum Shinrikyo attacking the Tokyo subway with sarin gas 22 years ago, I’ve got nothing.

  393. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East:


    Twin bombings in Baghdad, just hours apart, targeted young families having a late-night Ramadan snack and older city residents collecting their pensions.

    ISIS claimed responsibility for the Tuesday attacks, which killed 22 people, through its affiliate news agency Amaq.
    The first bomb, which killed 10 people and wounded 40 others, exploded at an ice cream shop in the heart of Baghdad in the early hours. Eyewitnesses described ice cream mixed with blood as the wounded and dead covered the ground.
     
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/middleeast/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-bombing/

    Coptic Christians killed in Minya bus attack
    Children among bus passengers targeted while going to a monastery in Minya province, prompting hunt for the attackers.
     

    At least 28 Coptic Christians have been killed and dozens more wounded by armed men who attacked them while they were travelling to a monastery in Egypt's Minya province.

    The Christians were headed on Friday to the Saint Samuel Monastery, located outside Minya city, about 220km south of the capital Cairo, when the masked attackers, who came in three pickup trucks, opened fire of them before fleeing the scene.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/egypt-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-170526100440001.html

    Cairo: 25 killed by bomb blast near St Mark's Cathedral
    Explosion during mass targeted worshippers inside St Peter's Church next to the main Coptic church in central Cairo.

     


    A bomb blast has killed at least 25 people during Sunday mass inside a Cairo church near the main Coptic Christian cathedral, according to Egyptian state TV .

    The explosion ripped through St Peter's Church at around 10:00am local time, wounding at least another 49 people, according to Egyptian health ministry cited on state TV.

    St Peter's Church is beside St Mark's Cathedral, which is the seat of Egypt's Orthodox Christian church and is home to the office of its spiritual leader, Pope Tawadros II.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/egypt-20-killed-bomb-blast-coptic-cathedral-161211093122198.html

    Deadly blasts hit Coptic churches in Tanta, Alexandria
    Three-month state of emergency after blasts target Coptic churches in Tanta and Alexandria, in attacks claimed by ISIL.
     

    At least 27 people have been killed in an explosion inside a church in the Egyptian Nile Delta city of Tanta, state media reported, as another blast killed 16 in front of a church in the coastal city of Alexandria.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) armed group on Sunday claimed responsibility for both attacks, in a statement via its Amaq website. It said they were carried out by two of its fighters wearing suicide vests.

     

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/explosion-hits-egypt-tanta-161127070517863.html

    Replies: @Opinionator, @oh its just me too

    to many of our elite that’s actually a plus -globalists definitely see Christianity as something to be eradicated.

    There have been multiple discussions here about Jewish motivation for this – why would they support something that seemingly is bringing about their own demise.

    First I don’t think the elites will feel it – or the Jewish intellectuals – and like the effects of Zionism on Jews in Muslim countries in 1948, they probably just don’t care or see it as a plus

    but there is another important, overlooked aspect – Jews have always seem the ottomon/muslim overuns of Europe as fulfilling prophecies of medieval rabbis who thought that for the true messiah to come, the kingdoms of the ‘false’ messiah (eg Christian) first had to be eradicated.

    Modern secular jews probably don’t believe this but it might be internalized in their psyche -for multiculti paradise to come, white christians must go.

  394. Nah. The SJW narrative demands that we take in more Muslims after terrorist attacks. If we don’t, that means that we are surrendering to “hate.”

    Hate, schmate. Leftists hate the west, western civilization, Christianity, etc. Islamic State hates the west, western civilization, Christianity, etc. Leftists want open borders for Muslims (except in Israel). Islamic State wants open borders for Muslims. There’s a lot of overlap there.

    And that’s why there was armed law enforcement at the checkpoints at St. Peters. But yes, terrorists could compromise these defenses in ways I’d rather not state publicly (though it wouldn’t take a genius to figure it out.)

    Nevertheless, a wall or fence is an essential part of any security system, which is why all military bases, prisons and nuclear power facilities have them. The idea that they aren’t necessary because they aren’t an all encompassing approach to security is ridiculous.

    Yeah high walls tend to really slow down intruders. And that’s a good thing. High walls increase the chances they’ll go intrude on some place lacking walls, also a good thing.

    I want to amend this to my previous comment. Here’s Tucker Carlson debating Trump’s travel ban with a jewish woman who vehemently opposes any religious preferences for Christian refugees but sputters a pathetic defense of the preference for Russian jews in the Soviet era. The exchange occurs at about 10:10 into the video.

    I’m amazed that something as Nationalist/Alt-Right as bringing up the Jewish immigration favoritism made it to a mention on Fox News. It’s exceptional that Jews are made to defend their hypocritical positions in such venues.

    You can say what you want about non-Muslim immigrants: that we should let fewer of them in, that we should insist they come legally, whatever. Virtually all other immigrant groups want to live peacefully side-by-side with us. That is clearly not true of Muslims.

    Well, they want to colonize us in peace, without any of that bellicose resistance from YT, anyway.

  395. @Lugash
    @Yan Shen

    What specific policy of Japan's or SK's should the UK follow? The UK situation on the ground is vastly different than Japan's or Korea's. Your tiresome 'embrace cognitive elitism!' ? Even if that was a good idea, and the UK establishment embraced it, they couldn't pull it off without letting the trash in. And it wouldn't do anything about the existing trash.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    According to a June 2005 report by the National Police Agency, Aleph had approximately 1,650 members, of whom 650 lived communally in compounds.[1] The group operated 26 facilities in 17 prefectures, and about 120 residential facilities. An article in the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper on 11 September 2002 showed that the Japanese public still distrusts Aleph, and compounds are usually surrounded by protest banners from local residents.
    There have been numerous cases where local authorities have refused to accept resident registration for cult members when it is discovered that Aleph has set up a facility within their jurisdiction. This effectively denies cult members social benefits such as health insurance; five cases have been taken to court by cult members, who won every time. Local communities also try to drive the cult away by preventing cultists from finding jobs, or keeping cult children out of schools. Right-wing groups frequently conduct protest marches near apartments rented by Aum followers by blaring extremely loud music through loudspeakers installed on minivans.
    –part of the Wikipedia entry on the splinter groups of Aum Shinrikyo, perpetrators of the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway.

    In other words, a non-atomized society is pretty harsh to violent outliers.

  396. @J1234
    St. Peters had pretty stout security last year. It took maybe forty minutes to work through the check points. Suicide bombers would find it hard, I would guess. There were bag checks (and metal detectors, as I recall.) There would be other ways to carry out a terrorist act, however, and not much could be done about it.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Dutch Boy

    The Swiss Guards are no joke.

  397. @Patrick in SC
    "Run, hide, tell" say the cops.

    Fine.

    When are we going to stop running and hiding and start fighting back and kicking them out?

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Dutch Boy

    Run and hide is good advice in a disarmed country like the UK.

  398. @Parbes
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Why are North Africans so much more violent and angry than other Muslims?"

    Because, in addition to being Muslims, they are mostly Arab-Negro mongrels.

    An ancillary reason: Their ancestors in previous centuries had a history of invading and/or raiding and pillaging parts of Western Europe - the Iberian peninsula, Southern France, and parts of Italy, to be exact. What's more, THEY AND THEIR CLERICS/LEADERS ARE AWARE OF THAT. So in a sense, they are just recapitulating a (for them) time-honored historical practice.

    Replies: @daniel le mouche

    By ‘mostly Arab-Negro mongrels’ I assume you mean Berbers.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    @daniel le mouche

    Both Berber and non-Berber. Anyway, Berbers are only indigenous to the Maghreb, or Western part of North Africa; and even there, they are far from forming a plurality of the population. I don't know the latest percentages of Berber vs. non-Berber in the Maghrebian population - if anyone has even done a reliable count and breakdown of the population there recently - but it is quite likely that even in the Maghreb, pure Berbers do not constitute a majority.

  399. @PiltdownMan
    @Yan Shen


    For most of its history, it’s basically been 3/4 Chinese and 1/4 non-Chinese.
     
    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest. The Lee Kuan Yew government strongly favored the immigration of Mainland Chinese, without making any public waves about it. The communist takeover of China and subsequent waves of refugees helped change the balance of ethnicities in Singapore. In Singapore itself, history has been retconned to downplay and pigeonhole the role of Indians in its history, to the extent of completely avoiding any mention in their war museums of the presence of significant numbers of the British Indian Army during the fall of Singapore in WWII. This is not surprising if you consider that Singapore was administered out of Calcutta until about 100 years ago, by the British.

    Lee Kuan Yew's views on the strengths and weaknesses of the various ethnicities in Singapore were explicit. He thought Indians made for good accountants and CFOs, but were not CEO material. When an Indian was appointed the CEO of Singapore biggest bank a few years ago, there was openly published debate in the newspapers about Indian managers not having the magic ingredient.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Numinous, @Numinous, @Bill B., @AnonJT

    This is actually incorrect. Singapore was majority Indian until 1948, at least, with Malays and Chinese making up the rest.

    Nope. That’s not true at all. You can check out Singapore’s demographic history here …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore

    From the article itself…

    By 1821, the population was estimated to have increased to 4,724 Malays and 1,150 Chinese.[35] In the first census of 1824, 6,505 out of the 10,683 total were Malays and Bugis, constituting over 60% of the population. Large number of Chinese migrants started to enter Singapore just months after it became a British settlement, and they were predominantly male. In 1826, official census figures give a total population of 13,750, with 6,088 Chinese, 4,790 Malays, 1,242 Bugis, 1,021 Indians from Bengal (244) and the Coromandel Coast (777), smaller number of Javanese (267), Europeans (87) and other peoples.[19] The population total of Singapore increased to 16,000 in 1829, 26,000 five years later. By 1836, the Chinese at 13,749 had become the most populous ethnic group, overtaking the broad Malay grouping (12,538, including other groups such as the Bugis, Javanese, and Balinese).[37] By the beginning of 1850, the population had reached 60,000, 24,790 of them Chinese.

    If you look at the charts provided, you’ll see that at no point in its history do Indians surpass the Malay and Chinese populations. The article provides citations for reference.

  400. @jim jones
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    The Daily Mail, which is the propaganda organ of the Conservative Party, loves Theresa May

    Replies: @Anonymous

    They just ran a very anti-May Piers Morgan opinion.

    Government now floundering over Saudi money and terrorism, handing Corbyn his talking points on a silver platter.

  401. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s that high verbal IQ in action:

    Noah Smith @noahpinion

    7/ironically, the media and social-media reaction to each of these attacks probably spurs more copycats. It’s a self-perpetuating wave.

    Noah Smith @noahpinion

    8/That wave will burn itself out. Being the 8th asshole to drive your cat into a crowd is even lamer and less original than being the 3rd.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    the nepotism is particularly strong in that one

    it's become clear to me over the last few years reading MSM journalists and pundits that the bright ones are sent to work in the banks and the stupid ones are given jobs in the media

  402. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    German police crime blotters go with "men of Southern appearance".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    German police crime blotters go with “men of Southern appearance”.

    Those Bavarians are always up to no good.

  403. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    Poor fools. They just don't understand that the Western elite are on their side:


    Conman Blair's cynical conspiracy to deceive the British people and let in 2million migrants against the rules: Explosive new biography lays ex-PM's betrayal bare
     

    Tony Blair presided over a silent conspiracy to change the face of Britain for ever with mass immigration, an explosive book reveals.
    He ordered his Labour government never to discuss in public the supposed ‘advantages’ of the unprecedented influx.
    But behind the scenes ministers were instructed to wave tens of thousands of asylum seekers into the UK under cover of their being ‘economic migrants’. Astonishingly, the minister Mr Blair put in charge of borders ruled against deporting failed claimants because it would be too ‘emotional’.
     

    The main aim of allowing in millions of people was to make the country ‘see the benefit of a multicultural society’. The Blair government did not see its job as being to ‘control immigration'.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But behind the scenes ministers were instructed to wave tens of thousands of asylum seekers into the UK under cover of their being ‘economic migrants’. Astonishingly, the minister Mr Blair put in charge of borders ruled against deporting failed claimants because it would be too ‘emotional’.

    Her name is Barbara Roche.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Roche

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/10/british-migration-museum-history-immigration-minister

  404. @Hail
    Has a mosque bombing ever actually been carried out in England?

    Given the terror attacks by Muslims on English people, sooner or later somebody on the European side, of Combat 18 or similar sympathies, is bound to do successfully pull of a high-casualty mosque bombing or the like. Then what? A new 'Troubles' in the 2010s and 2020s?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Kylie, @SteveRogers42

    Looked up Combat 18. I was struck by the efficiency and dispatch with which the British security services swung into action to suppress these native Anglo-Saxon working-class men. No watch lists, no calls for Internet regulation, just door-kicking, arrests, and imprisonment.

    The comparison to the treatment of alien immivaders is striking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18

  405. @Opinionator
    @Hail

    We've bombed plenty of Muslims already in the Middle East.

    Replies: @Hail, @SteveRogers42

    Do you miss them?

  406. @anonymous
    "The Great Wall was a notorious failure, horrible example."

    Old post:

    “The Great Wall of China was not very effective.”

    That’s often claimed, but it’s not clear. You would have to compare to Chinese history without walls (there wasn’t really one of them; “Great Wall” seems to be a catch-all term for the wall-fort complexes of the day). Walls might have been, all-in-all, an asset. Sure, armies overcame them (sometimes with inside help), but they were often a factor. Like castles.

    Great Wall of China:


    “…Other purposes of the Great Wall have included border controls, allowing the imposition of duties on goods transported along the Silk Road, regulation or encouragement of trade and the control of immigration and emigration. Furthermore, the defensive characteristics of the Great Wall were enhanced by the construction of watch towers, troop barracks, garrison stations, signaling capabilities through the means of smoke or fire, and the fact that the path of the Great Wall also served as a transportation corridor.”



    Chinese governments must have thought they worked well enough to fund, because they kept building them for a thousand years or so. If nothing else, it gave Chinese generals another tool in their toolbox.

    History of the Great Wall of China:


    “…began when fortifications built by various states during the Spring and Autumn (771–476 BC)… …were connected by the first emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang…

    …the Ming (1369–1644) were among those that rebuilt, re-manned, and expanded the Walls, although they rarely followed Qin’s routes…

    there are doubts as to whether… early walls were actually defensive in nature. …the northern frontier walls were built far to the north and included traditionally nomadic lands, and so rather than being defensive, the walls indicate the northward expansions of the three northern states and their desire to safeguard their recent territorial acquisitions…

    …the first major Ming walls… proved its initial worth in 1482, when a large group of Mongol raiders were trapped within the double lines of fortifications and suffered a defeat by the Ming generals.

    …In 1550… Mongols… invaded… …despite several attempts… could not take Xuanfu due to Weng Wanda’s double fortified line… circled around…raided the suburbs of Beijing. …the raid took more than 60,000 lives and an additional 40,000 people became prisoners…

    …focus of the Ming’s northern defences shifted… to… where the breach took place… The effectiveness of the new walls was demonstrated in the failed Mongol raid of 1554, where raiders expecting a repeat of the events of 1550 were surprised by the higher wall…”

     

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Common sense, brother. The ongoing ebb and flow of offense and defense.

  407. @Greasy William
    When you guys bash Islam you are basically saying that mass immigration is fine as long as it is of non Muslims.

    We are going to get mass immigration anyway so it is better that it be Islamic because Muslims alienate the public so much more. Also Muslims are much more of a threat to Globalism than any of us will ever be.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @anon, @guest, @unpc downunder, @Pericles, @Hyperborean, @MBlanc46

    There is no such implication whatever.

  408. @Opinionator
    @Moshe

    Motivations of the 2005 London bombers, from the horses' mouths:

    Tanweer said this –

    What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

    Khan said this -

    Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @lavoisier, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Rosamond Vincy

    What were their motives at Lepanto or Andalusia?

  409. @lavoisier
    @Opinionator

    More like justifications rather than motivations.

    But although Western political leaders may be democratically elected, they are surely not responding to the will of the people who elected them. If they were, we would not be involved in all these crazy wars in the first place.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Opinionator

    Not so sure about that. Both Iraq invasions had the support of strong majorities. Same with Afghanistan. Same with recent Syria airstrikes. And most importantly, our collusion with the Zionist entity continues to enjoy broad support.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Not so sure about that. Both Iraq invasions had the support of strong majorities. Same with Afghanistan.
     
    Hey, I was on board with invading Afghanistan.....Of course, I wanted it to be a "butcher and bolt" expedition....with none of GWB's moronic nation-building nonsense.....
  410. @whorefinder
    @Opinionator

    Motivations for Osama Bin Laden:

    Establishing a world-wide caliphate.

    But nice try on the lie there, kiddo.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Opinionator

    Yawn. pwned:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Caliphate#Al-Qaeda.27s_Caliphate_goals

    and

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

    and

    http://www.danielpipes.org/2798/what-do-the-terrorists-want-a-caliphate

    and

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/12/the-caliphate

    and

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/312

    Go try your disinformation on someone else, son.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  411. @anon
    @Chrisnonymous


    Idiots.
     
    traitors

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Yup.

  412. @Bill B.
    @Opinionator

    No, the Jihadists are not attacking European countries because of their foreign policy.

    They are attacking them because they are full of filthy kaffirs and it is the good Muslim's duty to attack the kaffirs that refuse to submit. This is very clearly spelled out in the Jihadist literature.

    Boualem Sansal, the superb and brave Algerian writer, in Le Figaro last week said that Islamists think Europe is "in play" and ready for the plucking.

    He said that Daesh/ISIS is probably doomed but it will make no difference; just as the demise of the Algerian FIS, the destruction of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the ousting of the Taliban from Kabul etc. did little to halt the spread of Islamism. Indeed whatever replaces ISIS will likely have an even more cruel and more obdurate leader.

    The Islamists, Sansal said, leap like wolves on European weakness and ignorance to lard the West with Sunni Islamic communities where sharia law is obligatory. Defeat and victory are the same for the Islamists: victory means expansion; defeat means the 'moderate' Muslims are pandered to by a West that slowing succumbs to Wahabi-style Islam.

    He pointed out that Islamism with the sword is actually expanding faster in Europe now than it is in the MENA countries where typically tough but effective local religious frameworks hold it at bay.

    Personally I think he is right: there is no mechanism in Islam to switch off the jihadi gene and there is seeming nothing to persuade Western authorities that Jihadi atrocities are not eruptions with wholly mysterious causes. This will continue for some time.

    (The article is behind a paywall but I googled a chunk of the text to find a copy).

    Replies: @Opinionator

    It’s simple retaliation. You really that expect you can bomb and invade other countries and some of their men won’t try to fight back?

    1996 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

    1998 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1998.pdf

    Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” (Nov. 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    More

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-fbis.pdf

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Opinionator

    I think you are a troll - as others have noted - but I would still list the vast outpourings of hatred and loathing for the soon-to-be-conquered West in the Jihadi literature if I had time. (You won't change so there will be another opportunity soon.)

    In the meantime might I point out that Osama declared war against the United States before it had invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no conceivable mode of global existence that would have made Osama not irrevocably antagonistic with the West.

    The whining about kaffir oppression in his 1996 fatwa (that you post) is feeble and silly:


    It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist- Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia- Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn't respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its' allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves.
     

    Replies: @Opinionator

  413. @lavoisier
    @Opinionator

    More like justifications rather than motivations.

    But although Western political leaders may be democratically elected, they are surely not responding to the will of the people who elected them. If they were, we would not be involved in all these crazy wars in the first place.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Opinionator

    Moreover, Trump was just elected on a pledge to “knock the hell out of ISIS.”

  414. @AnotherDad
    @rw95

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury ... that's unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot--witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there--if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews--despite being victims of immense mass murder--still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for "peace", the "unity" concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Kylie, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy, @Daniel Chieh, @CCZ

    exactly. Wonderful and depressing post. I can sleep tonight knowing I am not the only one wracked by a sense of doom.

  415. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    @anon

    >>What the IRA terrorism did suggest, was that it wasn’t a good idea to admit hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics into the UK mainland during the early 20th Century.

    Problem being, that during the entire 19th and 20th century, and up until this very minute, Northern Ireland was/is as much a part of the UK as Westminster. Northern Irish are UK citizens as much as Enoch Powell was.

    Replies: @anon

    This was, and is, the problem.
    They were allowed to form ghettos in Glasgow, Manchester, and Liverpool, form street gangs to terrorise the non catholic population, while their leaders continuously chastised the indigenous population about sectarian prejudice and bigotry.
    The authorities took the newcomers side at all times, and those 3 cities were turned into violent, corrupt dumps.

    Sound familiar?
    That’s because the same thing has been happening in all the the cities of the mainland U.K. with South Asians and Blacks for the last 50+ years

  416. @daniel le mouche
    @anon

    I'm sure you'll readily agree that it was the Anglo Saxons that rather forcefully 'admitted' themselves to Britain a millenium and a half ago, and that it was THEY who over many centuries tormented the Celts of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. It was the charming Cromwell who created the hell known as Northern Ireland, using the tried old trick of importing foreigners, whose progeny within a generation or two are just as 'native' as the true natives. Before him, it was the charming Englishwoman Elizabeth who ordered all Catholics in England drawn and quartered, whether Irish or English. Terrorism is the weapon of the bullied. How was one to fight the power of the British Empire and Crown? That's the only way. They were totally justified, no matter how the English moan about every precious Anglo Saxon killed, convenientlychoosing to ignore the utter destruction of Ireland by their ancestors.

    Replies: @anon, @Opinionator

    You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Here’s a couple of facts for you.
    Catholics make up 7% of the population of England, and 30% of those incarcerated criminals.
    That figure doesn’t take into account Irish Catholics incarcerated in English prisons.

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    @anon

    Your 'facts' seem to be more 'facts lite'. Study some history. The vast majority of England was still Catholic till the monster Elizabeth slaughtered them. Your factoid seems to show that Catholics are four times more likely than Protestants to land in jail, for whatever offence. You say this stat is for England only. Do you mean Great Britain? No matter. The Protestants of Northern Ireland are the criminal thugs. The great old churches of England were built by Catholics, then stolen by the rotten, insane Church of England. How do you have (how do people accept) a church for just England? But that's the Anglo-Saxon mind for you. Catholic, I'm sure you know, means all inclusive, and the Catholic Church was what united all of Europe and beyond till the nightmare horror of the Reformation, begun exactly 500 years ago this year.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  417. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    You are incorrect. The truth is here:

    1996 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

    1998 Fatwa

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1998.pdf

    Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” (Nov. 2002)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

    More

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-fbis.pdf

    Replies: @whorefinder

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    The secondary sources you cite, which anyways are vague and marked by poor attribution, do not prove your claim. (And I won't even start about the agendas held by some of the others such as Daniel Pipes.)

    The objective of establishing a caliphate does not necessarily mean a worldwide caliphate. And in either case it would not necessarily justify violence against Western voters.

    My primary sources are better than your secondary ones.

    But let's get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men's homeland and some of them won't hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @anon

  418. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @John Gruskos

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    Dunno, dear boy. Muslims are really keen on killing Middle Eastern Christians…….

  419. @Opinionator
    @lavoisier

    Not so sure about that. Both Iraq invasions had the support of strong majorities. Same with Afghanistan. Same with recent Syria airstrikes. And most importantly, our collusion with the Zionist entity continues to enjoy broad support.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Not so sure about that. Both Iraq invasions had the support of strong majorities. Same with Afghanistan.

    Hey, I was on board with invading Afghanistan…..Of course, I wanted it to be a “butcher and bolt” expedition….with none of GWB’s moronic nation-building nonsense…..

  420. @daniel le mouche
    @Parbes

    By 'mostly Arab-Negro mongrels' I assume you mean Berbers.

    Replies: @Parbes

    Both Berber and non-Berber. Anyway, Berbers are only indigenous to the Maghreb, or Western part of North Africa; and even there, they are far from forming a plurality of the population. I don’t know the latest percentages of Berber vs. non-Berber in the Maghrebian population – if anyone has even done a reliable count and breakdown of the population there recently – but it is quite likely that even in the Maghreb, pure Berbers do not constitute a majority.

  421. @Kylie
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry, Buzz, I should have been more specific. I think the elites in government, academia and the media are deluded true believers. The rest probably are terrified or, at the very least, cowed into submission.

    To this day, after eight years, even my closest friends don't know I post here. But I'm not cowed, just cautious!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I hear you.

    On a positive note, a critical mass of like-minded citizens may be coming together in America, and the Overton window might be moving over far enough for them to stand in front of it and be seen.

  422. @whorefinder
    @Opinionator

    Yawn. pwned:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Caliphate#Al-Qaeda.27s_Caliphate_goals

    and

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

    and

    http://www.danielpipes.org/2798/what-do-the-terrorists-want-a-caliphate

    and

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/12/the-caliphate

    and

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/312

    Go try your disinformation on someone else, son.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    The secondary sources you cite, which anyways are vague and marked by poor attribution, do not prove your claim. (And I won’t even start about the agendas held by some of the others such as Daniel Pipes.)

    The objective of establishing a caliphate does not necessarily mean a worldwide caliphate. And in either case it would not necessarily justify violence against Western voters.

    My primary sources are better than your secondary ones.

    But let’s get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back?
     
    Hey, Muslims just did that in the UK......Do you seriously think that the SJWs will allow reprisals on Muslims in the UK?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    But let’s get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back?
     
    Hey, as our resident expert on Muslim psychology, I've got a question. Given that Muslims (regardless of residence or citizenship) regard all Westerners as fair game, should a Westerner ever go to a Muslim doctor for treatment? Wouldn't he have to worry about the Muslim doc offing him in revenge?
    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    And here's another query: Since Muslims believe that it is OK to murder a host, should a Westerner ever invite a Muslim to stay at his house?Wouldn't he have to worry about the Muslim killing him while he sleeps?

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @anon
    @Opinionator


    What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.
     
    the tidal wave of Muslim child rape is worse than the terrorism - however the media can cover that up - hard to cover up terrorism

    Replies: @Opinionator

  423. Lot says:
    @anon
    @Lot

    That's not quite right.
    While the Tories do have 101 more MPs than Labour, their majority in the House of Commons is only 17. A loss of 9 Seats could lose them Government.
    None of the other Parties have repudiated Labour, and all of them have left their options open regarding Corbyn.

    http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/

    Replies: @Lot

    While the Tories do have 101 more MPs than Labour, their majority in the House of Commons is only 17. A loss of 9 Seats could lose them Government.
    None of the other Parties have repudiated Labour, and all of them have left their options open regarding Corbyn.

    It is the largest party that gets first crack at forming a government. The Ulster parties are already a few easy votes for the Conservatives.

    However, I think the Tories would support a LibDem PM over letting the LibDems support Corbyn.

    I am not worried and think betting against Corbyn will be an easy $100 (not fun risking $450 to do so however!).

    Tories outperformed 70 out of 70 polls in the month before the 2015 election! In fact out of what looks to be 200 polls, not a single one had them higher than +6, but they won by +6.6. And plenty of polls had Labour ahead.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#2015

    Britain Elects forecast has about 12 Tory pickups at 90%+ certainty, not a single Labour one even close to that.

  424. @AnotherDad
    @rw95

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury ... that's unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot--witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there--if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews--despite being victims of immense mass murder--still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for "peace", the "unity" concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Kylie, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy, @Daniel Chieh, @CCZ

    “Death of individuals comes to us all in turn. (My best years are well behind me.) But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.”

    You express my own thoughts better than I could have. Thanks.

    It’s not even a case of our elites letting it all slip away. They threw it all away deliberately, with malice and contempt.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Kylie

    Threw it all away for mess of pottage futures.

    Replies: @Lurker

  425. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    The secondary sources you cite, which anyways are vague and marked by poor attribution, do not prove your claim. (And I won't even start about the agendas held by some of the others such as Daniel Pipes.)

    The objective of establishing a caliphate does not necessarily mean a worldwide caliphate. And in either case it would not necessarily justify violence against Western voters.

    My primary sources are better than your secondary ones.

    But let's get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men's homeland and some of them won't hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @anon

    What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back?

    Hey, Muslims just did that in the UK……Do you seriously think that the SJWs will allow reprisals on Muslims in the UK?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    They wouldn't really count as "reprisals," because Britain is the aggressor party.

    Replies: @syonredux

  426. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @John Gruskos

    And then there’s Muslim violence against the Yazidis…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL#Massacres.2C_sexual_slavery.2C_forced_exile

    And then there’s what the Muslims are doing to Yazidi women…..A foreshadowing of the treatment that European women will receive once Europe is conquered by the forces of Muhammad…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL#Abduction_of_women.3B_sexual_slavery

  427. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back?
     
    Hey, Muslims just did that in the UK......Do you seriously think that the SJWs will allow reprisals on Muslims in the UK?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    They wouldn’t really count as “reprisals,” because Britain is the aggressor party.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    They wouldn’t really count as “reprisals,” because Britain is the aggressor party.
     
    Sure they would. Reprisals for reprisals for reprisals......the chain of causation goes way back.....The Muslim Conquest of Spain.....the Muslim Conquest of the Byzantine Empire....the mass expulsion of Christian Greeks from Anatolia.....


    But, as I said, Muslims in the UK will be safe from reprisals by the British. SJWs will not allow collective punishment to be meted out....
  428. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    Of course, Muslims are also quite willing to kill people in the Middle East.

    But Christians and Jews are more so.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @John Gruskos

    Guley can see her village from Mount Sinjar. It isn’t far – a short drive down twisting roads into the dusty plains below – but beyond reach, and for almost two years she’s been unable to return.

    Her family was among the hundreds of thousands who fled as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) swept across northern Iraq’s Sinjar region in August 2014 and captured the town of the same name.

    Civilians rarely escape the group’s notorious cruelty, but as members of the ancient Yazidi religious minority, they had particular reason to fear. ISIL considers the sect heretical “devil worshippers” to be either captured, converted, or executed.

    Many weren’t quick or lucky enough to follow. ISIL slaughtered entire villages, killing at least 5,000 Yazidi men and boys and abducting as many as 7,000 women and girls as sex slaves. It was a methodical campaign of murder, rape, and slavery that UN investigators said in June amounted to genocide.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/iraq-yazidis-living-fear-mount-sinjar-160726063155982.html

  429. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    They wouldn't really count as "reprisals," because Britain is the aggressor party.

    Replies: @syonredux

    They wouldn’t really count as “reprisals,” because Britain is the aggressor party.

    Sure they would. Reprisals for reprisals for reprisals……the chain of causation goes way back…..The Muslim Conquest of Spain…..the Muslim Conquest of the Byzantine Empire….the mass expulsion of Christian Greeks from Anatolia…..

    But, as I said, Muslims in the UK will be safe from reprisals by the British. SJWs will not allow collective punishment to be meted out….

  430. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    The secondary sources you cite, which anyways are vague and marked by poor attribution, do not prove your claim. (And I won't even start about the agendas held by some of the others such as Daniel Pipes.)

    The objective of establishing a caliphate does not necessarily mean a worldwide caliphate. And in either case it would not necessarily justify violence against Western voters.

    My primary sources are better than your secondary ones.

    But let's get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men's homeland and some of them won't hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @anon

    But let’s get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men’s homeland and some of them won’t hit back?

    Hey, as our resident expert on Muslim psychology, I’ve got a question. Given that Muslims (regardless of residence or citizenship) regard all Westerners as fair game, should a Westerner ever go to a Muslim doctor for treatment? Wouldn’t he have to worry about the Muslim doc offing him in revenge?

  431. @Opinionator
    @whorefinder

    The secondary sources you cite, which anyways are vague and marked by poor attribution, do not prove your claim. (And I won't even start about the agendas held by some of the others such as Daniel Pipes.)

    The objective of establishing a caliphate does not necessarily mean a worldwide caliphate. And in either case it would not necessarily justify violence against Western voters.

    My primary sources are better than your secondary ones.

    But let's get to the heart of the matter. What makes you think you can bomb and invade other men's homeland and some of them won't hit back? Seriously. Walk me through that one.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @anon

    And here’s another query: Since Muslims believe that it is OK to murder a host, should a Westerner ever invite a Muslim to stay at his house?Wouldn’t he have to worry about the Muslim killing him while he sleeps?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @syonredux


    And here’s another query: Since Muslims believe that it is OK to murder a host, should a Westerner ever invite a Muslim to stay at his house?Wouldn’t he have to worry about the Muslim killing him while he sleeps?
     
    I have a story for you. I have a few fruit trees are that are ready right now to accept a few grafts of other varieties. Now is the perfect time. So I contact this Muslim acquaintance who agreed a few months ago to do the grafting in an exchange of favors. Turns out it was the second day of Ramadan so that --- "Sorry but with the Ramadan daytime fasting I cannot do the grafting until after Ramadan 30 days from now" He tells me he is strict for Ramadan, so no daytime intake of water or liquids.

    Replies: @BB753

  432. @AnotherDad
    @rw95

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury ... that's unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot--witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there--if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews--despite being victims of immense mass murder--still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for "peace", the "unity" concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Kylie, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy, @Daniel Chieh, @CCZ

    Yep, it’s bad.

    Like something out of a comedy sketch, a man who cursed Muslims as he waited to be butchered by the terrorists was scolded by a cuckold for being Islamophobic:

  433. @Kylie
    @AnotherDad

    "Death of individuals comes to us all in turn. (My best years are well behind me.) But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time."

    You express my own thoughts better than I could have. Thanks.

    It's not even a case of our elites letting it all slip away. They threw it all away deliberately, with malice and contempt.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Threw it all away for mess of pottage futures.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ivy

    We're running on pottage fumes now.

  434. @Whiskey
    @whorefinder

    Blaming Jews for the fall of the West is like burning your neighbor for hexing you with an illness. It might feel good but won't do much to fix your illness. Whereas a dose of penicillin might just do the trick, or surgery ...

    Eastern Europe had always been a hostile place for Jews, and Western Europe more amenable. Ironically Germany before WWI had been fairly friendly towards Jews, there were many Jews who went to the gas chambers wearing their Iron Crosses thinking that their service for the Kaiser would save them. It did not. By contrast there were few Jews who sought out service in Russia.

    Eastern Europe went Communist because Stalin's forces rolled over them and conquered them after Hitler had conquered them first (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia) or had been defeated as Hitler's allies of convenience (Romania, Hungary). Just as they were conquered by the Ottomans, and then the Austrians and Russians before. In all cases the fundamental issue was military weakness caused by unfavorable geography, lack of military ability, and financial/material weakness. It sucks to be weak and poor and with little help in geography for defense. Places like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Romania were not exactly known for their friendliness to Communism in the 1930s. Which was imposed by Soviet Occupation after 1945.





    The fundamental problem is that most Western women want life as a Manson Family groupie*, and Muslims (and Africans) offer that option, in the way that too intelligent, too beta male Western Men do not.

    China has the same problems the West has with Muslim terrorism, there is hardly a month that goes by that does not feature a knife/vehicle attack or a homemade bomb. These things are well known in China in the "undernews" but rarely make it into the West and are heavily censored in China. Eventually some Communist Princeling will make a play for Emperor as the Defender of the Han against Hui (Han Muslims) and Uighur Muslim attacks and either succeed to the Heavenly Throne or provoke the Sitting Emperor to kick out or kill most of China's Muslims.

    *If women had no control over their fertility, depended on beta male provisioning for survival of themselves and their children, and had severe limits on bad-boy-apolooza, things would be different but that is not going to happen ever since there is zero likelihood of banning such simple technology.

    Rather than super-complicated neo-Copernican ideas of perfect circular orbits of planets with mini orbits within orbits, the most parsimonious explanation of why Eastern Europe is less Muslim afflicted is that their men treat women worse, and thus their women like them better. The treatment and status of women would have I'd bet an R^2 of about .8 in the attitudes and desire for substantial Non-White immavasion. That famous Irish Savant photo of the club in Sweden that only admits White women and African men with no shortage of either group is pretty telling. White women make out fine with mass Third World immigration, White men not so much and that's the entire point. There is no end to the ways in which White men and Women are the enemy post-pill and condom and either one or the other will be vanquished (or perhaps both).

    Replies: @Clyde

    That famous Irish Savant photo of the club in Sweden that only admits White women and African men with no shortage of either group is pretty telling. White women make out fine with mass Third World immigration

    http://tinyurl.com/y74dr4fp
    That club is in Finland (or was) and the Photo is at Lawrence Auster’s site and the Irish Savant’s

  435. @WR
    You racists!, check Ms. Mensch's twitter if you want to know how enlightened people react after one of these "incidents"

    Louise Mensch‏
    Verified account
     @LouiseMensch 2h
    2 hours ago

    My dear Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK, I stand with you tonight and every night in friendship and patriotism. #LondonBridge

    More
    Let me be plain. The United Kingdom is 100% comfortable being a tolerant diverse nation. Muslim Britons are our friends and neighbors.

    More
    We can see what @PutinRF is doing. It kills him that we do not care to ostracise our Muslim compatriots. Not now. NOT EVER. #LondonBridge

    Replies: @neutral, @guest, @Regina Phalange, @ben tillman

    Mensch’s Twitter feed reads like a parody. “Putin hacked the election…. Hacked voter databases.”

    What does that even mean?

  436. @syonredux
    @Opinionator

    And here's another query: Since Muslims believe that it is OK to murder a host, should a Westerner ever invite a Muslim to stay at his house?Wouldn't he have to worry about the Muslim killing him while he sleeps?

    Replies: @Clyde

    And here’s another query: Since Muslims believe that it is OK to murder a host, should a Westerner ever invite a Muslim to stay at his house?Wouldn’t he have to worry about the Muslim killing him while he sleeps?

    I have a story for you. I have a few fruit trees are that are ready right now to accept a few grafts of other varieties. Now is the perfect time. So I contact this Muslim acquaintance who agreed a few months ago to do the grafting in an exchange of favors. Turns out it was the second day of Ramadan so that — “Sorry but with the Ramadan daytime fasting I cannot do the grafting until after Ramadan 30 days from now” He tells me he is strict for Ramadan, so no daytime intake of water or liquids.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Clyde

    Ramadan has got to be the most stupid religious custom ever. Fasting 15 hours during daylight and then gorging yourself twice with food and liquids during the night, losing sleep in the process. During a whole month. It must be even harsher in dry and sunny climates. Remember, you can't eat or drink anything from 5 am to 10:30 pm!
    If a Christian submitted his teen progeny to such an ordeal, he'd be charged with child abuse.

    Replies: @Alden, @Daniel Chieh, @Opinionator

  437. @Simon in London
    I'm usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.
    At least the dead civilians (7 so far) to dead terrorists (3) ratio wasn't too bad this time, nothing like Nice or the Bataclan.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Kylie, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m usually at a pub on Borough high street just south of the market on a Thursday night, so this was particularly close to home.

    When we Calvinists visited London a couple of years ago, we found the Southwark/Borough Market area delightful — it was only place in the city we returned to during our week-long visit. It’s a place for typical western forms of enjoyment — the Globe, pubs, a market. No wonder they hate it.

  438. @AnotherDad
    @rw95

    To me the worst of this is not the attacks, the dead and injured.    Death and injury ... that's unfortunate.    But we can tolerate a lot--witness the War.    Millions dead, but at the end England was still England, France still France.   Even Germany, Russia and Poland were still there--if moved a bit West.    Even the Jews--despite being victims of immense mass murder--still existed and in fact shortly had their own nation.    People die, but life goes on.

    No the worst part of this is the crying, the hugging, the flowers, the calls for "peace", the "unity" concerts and candlelight vigils, all the girly, faggy shit that signals that the West is now thoroughly unserious and a bunch of pussies who are going to be rolled and fucked.    

    Death of individuals comes to us all in turn.  (My best years are well behind me.)   But this is the death of nations, the death of the greatest civilization of all time.

    These are depressing times.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Kylie, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy, @Daniel Chieh, @CCZ

    Oooh, yes, the Woodstocky music-fest. Peace and Lurve. A more appropriate set-list for the Manchester fundraising concert would have included Anti-Nowhere League’s “So What.”

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    @carol


    Speaking out now could get you beheaded
     
    Misunderstanding the psychology of it imo - they are more scared of other people thinking they are "racist" aka a bad person, and the media-political class use that threat of *social ostracism* to control everyone.

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @The Last Real Calvinist

    When that control mechanism breaks down it will happen overnight.

    This is what I keep trying to convey to my liberal friends, but to little effect. The thin veneer of civilization the West has built up at such cost seems to them an inexhaustible resource.

    The inability for westerners in general to use their imagination