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From CNBC:

Elizabeth Warren proposes criminal penalties for spreading voting disinformation online
PUBLISHED WED, JAN 29 2020
Sunny Kim

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday released a plan to fight disinformation and to hold tech companies accountable for their actions in light of the 2016 election.

“Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. …

Warren proposed to combat disinformation by holding big tech companies like Facebook, Twitter and Google responsible for spreading misinformation designed to suppress voters from turning out.

She added she will also open up data for research so that academics and organizations can provide the public with knowledge on disinformation.

With her superb grasp of symbolism and self-awareness, Warren chose to announce her plan to fight online disinformation on the one-year anniversary of her helping spread Jussie Smollett’s hate hoax disinformation online:

Also this week, Liz endorsed Chicago prosecutor Kim Foxx, who let Jussie walk last year.

 
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  1. OT – London Mayor Sadiq (“Diversity Is Our Strength”) Khan’s office reports as follows:

    ” Costs in 2018/19 for responding to homicides, violence offences, sexual offences and robbery, together with the loss of economic output was £3bn. “

    https://www.london.gov.uk/city-hall-blog/new-report-shows-violence-cost-london-ps3-billion-last-year

    “The VRU put the financial impact of those killings at £420.5 million. This included emergency service response, police investigations, criminal justice and lost economic output caused by a death. Using the same analysis, the 160,000 stabbings, assaults and violent crimes cost £1.7 billion.

    More than 32,000 robberies led to losses of £391 million, 8,300 rapes £335 million, and 12,200 other sexual offences £86 million, according to figures compiled by the Met, City of London Police and Office for National Statistics data.

    Violence has become more serious, more frequent and is driven by use of knives, the reports says. There has been a 47 per cent increase in knife-related homicides since 2016, while hospital admissions for blade injuries are up by 32 per cent.

    London’s poorest neighbourhoods are most vulnerable to gang-related criminality, which is now “deep-seated”.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-cost-3bn-a4348756.html

    • Replies: @bomag
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Other than homicide, listed crime stats beat most US cities.

    , @BenKenobi
    @YetAnotherAnon

    At least they aren’t speaking German, amirite? Am I.... am I... amirite?

  2. Um, Jussie wasn’t electioneering, so it doesn’t count. Pointing out your opponent got the prosecutor getting ready to investigate the company his kid was a board member of, is the kind of dangerous misinformation Senator Warren is saving us from.

    • Replies: @Ano
    @Redneck farmer

    Spreading disinformation (putting it very politely) about Bernie Sanders to suppress his vote, also doesn't count- apparently.

  3. • LOL: TWS
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @MEH 0910

    Adult, no known offspring, about to take on an armed cop with his bare hands...it's an outrage that he hasn't been honoured with Darwin Award.

    Replies: @donvonburg

    , @Nico
    @MEH 0910

    Darren Wilson should sue her for libel.

  4. I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Two important social phenomena of the past few years:

    1) The emergence of "offended middle class sense of propriety" as an extremely powerful force in national life.

    2) The convergence of wokeness with said sense of propriety.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Achmed E. Newman

    She doesn't. She's had children, and lived a typical regular upper middle class (and higher) white woman's life. Her misuse (appropriation) of the status of "Native American" is proof that she figured out the game decades ago and has been gaming this out ever since-that was the "tell". If her circumstances were even 10 percent different 20 years ago, this woman would be a centered republican or RINO if anything. ala Collins.

    , @West Reanimator
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?
     
    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    However, I have come to doubt that that person ever really existed. There doesn’t seem to be any real Elizabeth Warren at all; just a series of personas used by the same narcissist to aggrandize herself based on whatever pose is expedient at the time.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    , @slumber_j
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My wife and I have been discussing what we take to be Elizabeth Warren's extreme fakeness periodically for a while now. Pretty sure her whole latter-day deal is totally ginned-up--although she's certainly been on the warpath [WHOOPS!!! Strike that.] against the bankster types since shortly after she hit the Senate in 2012.

    For example she scotched the nomination of a guy I know for I think Asst. Secretary of the Treasury pretty early on on the grounds that he was too connected to Wall Street--which God knows he was. But that wasn't anywhere near as symbolically rabid as the stuff she spouts these days.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    , @d1544857
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Do we know when exactly the change occured? She was a member of the Federalist Society in the 90s.

    I favor chalking it up to working at Harvard and the pressures of living not just in Massachusetts but Cambridge (Kremlin on the Charles).

    Replies: @anon

    , @Ragno
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half...?
     
    You should rent out that old movie ALL THE KING'S MEN; there's a pretty telling scene in it when the cynical reporter runs into the beaten-but-honest candidate Willie Stark on the night of his defeat.

    "How do you feel, Willie?" the reporter asks, warily, to which Stark replies "I feel fine, fine. See, I leaned something today."

    "What's that, Willie?"

    Ominous close-up of an unsmiling Willie Stark: "How to win."
    , @Pop Warner
    @Achmed E. Newman

    She changed because black trans women are the backbone of American democracy

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book...
     
    How does it compare with Suzanne Venker's book of the same name? I have that checked out at the moment, though I'm still reading The Flipside of Feminism, written with her aunt, Phyllis Schlafly.

    Now that's socially-conservative.


    https://www.amazon.com/Suzanne-Venker/e/B001K7VY7K%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

    https://www.suzannevenker.com/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  5. @Redneck farmer
    Um, Jussie wasn't electioneering, so it doesn't count. Pointing out your opponent got the prosecutor getting ready to investigate the company his kid was a board member of, is the kind of dangerous misinformation Senator Warren is saving us from.

    Replies: @Ano

    Spreading disinformation (putting it very politely) about Bernie Sanders to suppress his vote, also doesn’t count- apparently.

  6. Does Big Liz War Chief’s book Pow Wow Chow count as on online disinformation if it’s available on kindle?

  7. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    Two important social phenomena of the past few years:

    1) The emergence of “offended middle class sense of propriety” as an extremely powerful force in national life.

    2) The convergence of wokeness with said sense of propriety.

    • Thanks: Thea
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @IHTG

    Could you explain (1) for me in some detail? I've not heard the expression and would appreciate an example or two. Thanks.

    Replies: @IHTG

  8. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    She doesn’t. She’s had children, and lived a typical regular upper middle class (and higher) white woman’s life. Her misuse (appropriation) of the status of “Native American” is proof that she figured out the game decades ago and has been gaming this out ever since-that was the “tell”. If her circumstances were even 10 percent different 20 years ago, this woman would be a centered republican or RINO if anything. ala Collins.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  9. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    However, I have come to doubt that that person ever really existed. There doesn’t seem to be any real Elizabeth Warren at all; just a series of personas used by the same narcissist to aggrandize herself based on whatever pose is expedient at the time.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Barnard
    @West Reanimator

    I would be curious to hear the candid thoughts of her ex-husband, whose last name she still uses. It seems likely he would have some insights as to how she ended up as this crazy harpy. If this is all some calculated strategy and she doesn't intend to follow through on any of it, wouldn't make more sense to moderate your rhetoric at least a little this close to the voting?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @West Reanimator

    That's a 3rd possibility, Reanimator. That book had a co-author who may have done all the thinking ... and writing. Maybe Chief Warren is an empty shell, like Øb☭ma, who has been set up behind the scenes. As others have noted, it helps if she has something lurid or very shameful in the past, not just your average pretend-you're-an-Injun thing, so that she can be counted on not to turn on her handlers.

    That family values/middle-class-family-can't-get-ahead schtick was fine 15 years ago, but things are different now. She's lucky a red , oops, white woman now, can still get up to high places in the Blue-squad still. That's not gonna' last.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @West Reanimator


    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.
     
    Me too!!


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51R7-sS-OWL._SY346_.jpg

    How to Be Nice to Your Husband

    Never Marry a Feminist


    What If We’re All Wrong About Men?

    Stop Telling Men They’re Defective Women

    Feminism’s Collateral Damage:
    My Talk with Tucker Carlson

    https://youtu.be/rcKQVSvdT9c

    I always wanted to vote for her aunt Phyllis. Maybe Suzanne can run.

  10. “Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. …

    What a wimp. Instead of just “eroding democracy”, you need to start from the ground up by importing a new population.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Rob McX

    Warren: "disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy"

    I love this new Leftist/Racist buzzword "our democracy." This country has always been a republic, not a 'democracy.' But now all of a sudden there are all these dangers to 'democracy' like SCOTUS being constituted the wrong way. It's really the same game as trying to undermine the electoral college in favor of a straight popular vote: the message is, LOL goyim, our imported brown mercenaries now have you outnumbered -- we stole your country through the immigration back door, and now you are permanently outvoted.

    It's the same way the racist Left is rhetorically transitioning away from strict "racism" as a bogeyman, and towards "whiteness" and "white privilege" and other blather, in order to leverage the imaginary class known as People of Color. Somehow for some magic reason Pakistanis and Chinese, who never suffered from "racism" in America because they only got here ten minutes ago, are entitled to cultural and political appropriation and free-riding on the historical struggles of legitimate African-Americans who have an actual history here, simply because they are kinda-sorta the same color as blacks. This is obvious literal racism, but the underground point is, once the permanent-Dem dictatorship arrives, they fully intend to be full-bore nuclear-powered racist against Whitey, so the issue must be re-framed so that racism is not the devil, Whitey is.

    OT/BTW, I see that Mike Bloomberg is buying himself political ads in Israeli media. But somehow this is not foreign meddling in our elections, or "our democracy".

  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    My wife and I have been discussing what we take to be Elizabeth Warren’s extreme fakeness periodically for a while now. Pretty sure her whole latter-day deal is totally ginned-up–although she’s certainly been on the warpath [WHOOPS!!! Strike that.] against the bankster types since shortly after she hit the Senate in 2012.

    For example she scotched the nomination of a guy I know for I think Asst. Secretary of the Treasury pretty early on on the grounds that he was too connected to Wall Street–which God knows he was. But that wasn’t anywhere near as symbolically rabid as the stuff she spouts these days.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @slumber_j

    Warren's role in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and what liberals were trying to morph it into is not unalike what Soros was doing in Ukraine or Chavez-Maduro are doing in Venezuela. For that matter it is what the left is doing to the Environmental movement or the Unions. The left needs money on an industrial scale to maintain their coalition and fund their backers and they won't be able to collect it by advocating traditional welfare policies that benefit individuals and they the money moves up on a grass roots basis.

    The playbook looks like this: A quasi-governmental entity like the CFPB is established. In turn they are given the power to regulate an industry, like in this case the financial industry, and with that, the power to raise fines. It is like Jesse Jackson Push but with government authority. The trick is that rather than put the money back into the Federal Treasury where we can all benefit, 90% of the money is funneled into liberal activist groups who then support left wing politicians and causes. It is the proverbial one hand washing the other.

    Being in financial services my entire long career someone like Warren can sing the right notes but everything she touches it becomes corrupted. She will only protect consumers if they are brown or women.

  12. @Rob McX

    “Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. …
     
    What a wimp. Instead of just "eroding democracy", you need to start from the ground up by importing a new population.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Warren: “disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy”

    I love this new Leftist/Racist buzzword “our democracy.” This country has always been a republic, not a ‘democracy.’ But now all of a sudden there are all these dangers to ‘democracy’ like SCOTUS being constituted the wrong way. It’s really the same game as trying to undermine the electoral college in favor of a straight popular vote: the message is, LOL goyim, our imported brown mercenaries now have you outnumbered — we stole your country through the immigration back door, and now you are permanently outvoted.

    It’s the same way the racist Left is rhetorically transitioning away from strict “racism” as a bogeyman, and towards “whiteness” and “white privilege” and other blather, in order to leverage the imaginary class known as People of Color. Somehow for some magic reason Pakistanis and Chinese, who never suffered from “racism” in America because they only got here ten minutes ago, are entitled to cultural and political appropriation and free-riding on the historical struggles of legitimate African-Americans who have an actual history here, simply because they are kinda-sorta the same color as blacks. This is obvious literal racism, but the underground point is, once the permanent-Dem dictatorship arrives, they fully intend to be full-bore nuclear-powered racist against Whitey, so the issue must be re-framed so that racism is not the devil, Whitey is.

    OT/BTW, I see that Mike Bloomberg is buying himself political ads in Israeli media. But somehow this is not foreign meddling in our elections, or “our democracy”.

  13. She lied about her Indian ancestry, hence the nickname “Lying Sacagawea”.

    Elizabeth Warren = E. W., the brazen liar

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @the one they call Desanex

    In North Dakota she's known as "Lying Sakakawea."

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

  14. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    Do we know when exactly the change occured? She was a member of the Federalist Society in the 90s.

    I favor chalking it up to working at Harvard and the pressures of living not just in Massachusetts but Cambridge (Kremlin on the Charles).

    • Replies: @anon
    @d1544857

    Do we know when exactly the change occured? She was a member of the Federalist Society in the 90s.

    Who cares? What difference does it make? Warren is Woke, so is Sanders. Because that's how they get to stay in the Party. At least for now.

  15. Okay Liz, can you help promote this public service announcement?

    Due to the expected high turnout for the General Election this fall, it has been decided that the election will be a two day affair. Republicans are asked to vote on Tuesday, November 3, and Democrats on Wednesday, November 4.

  16. @West Reanimator
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?
     
    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    However, I have come to doubt that that person ever really existed. There doesn’t seem to be any real Elizabeth Warren at all; just a series of personas used by the same narcissist to aggrandize herself based on whatever pose is expedient at the time.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    I would be curious to hear the candid thoughts of her ex-husband, whose last name she still uses. It seems likely he would have some insights as to how she ended up as this crazy harpy. If this is all some calculated strategy and she doesn’t intend to follow through on any of it, wouldn’t make more sense to moderate your rhetoric at least a little this close to the voting?

  17. She’s in fourth place in Iowa and her campaign is in a death spiral. Lying about Bernie’s sexism backfired. She’ll say anything at this point and is crazier and more sociopathic than the Hildabeast.

    But even if Bernie said “no woman can be president,” there’s some truth to that statement. She can’t even handle hecklers at her own event, much less be the leader of the free world.

  18. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - London Mayor Sadiq ("Diversity Is Our Strength") Khan's office reports as follows:

    " Costs in 2018/19 for responding to homicides, violence offences, sexual offences and robbery, together with the loss of economic output was £3bn. "

    https://www.london.gov.uk/city-hall-blog/new-report-shows-violence-cost-london-ps3-billion-last-year

    "The VRU put the financial impact of those killings at £420.5 million. This included emergency service response, police investigations, criminal justice and lost economic output caused by a death. Using the same analysis, the 160,000 stabbings, assaults and violent crimes cost £1.7 billion.

    More than 32,000 robberies led to losses of £391 million, 8,300 rapes £335 million, and 12,200 other sexual offences £86 million, according to figures compiled by the Met, City of London Police and Office for National Statistics data.

    Violence has become more serious, more frequent and is driven by use of knives, the reports says. There has been a 47 per cent increase in knife-related homicides since 2016, while hospital admissions for blade injuries are up by 32 per cent.

    London’s poorest neighbourhoods are most vulnerable to gang-related criminality, which is now “deep-seated”."
     
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-cost-3bn-a4348756.html

    Replies: @bomag, @BenKenobi

    Other than homicide, listed crime stats beat most US cities.

  19. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - London Mayor Sadiq ("Diversity Is Our Strength") Khan's office reports as follows:

    " Costs in 2018/19 for responding to homicides, violence offences, sexual offences and robbery, together with the loss of economic output was £3bn. "

    https://www.london.gov.uk/city-hall-blog/new-report-shows-violence-cost-london-ps3-billion-last-year

    "The VRU put the financial impact of those killings at £420.5 million. This included emergency service response, police investigations, criminal justice and lost economic output caused by a death. Using the same analysis, the 160,000 stabbings, assaults and violent crimes cost £1.7 billion.

    More than 32,000 robberies led to losses of £391 million, 8,300 rapes £335 million, and 12,200 other sexual offences £86 million, according to figures compiled by the Met, City of London Police and Office for National Statistics data.

    Violence has become more serious, more frequent and is driven by use of knives, the reports says. There has been a 47 per cent increase in knife-related homicides since 2016, while hospital admissions for blade injuries are up by 32 per cent.

    London’s poorest neighbourhoods are most vulnerable to gang-related criminality, which is now “deep-seated”."
     
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-cost-3bn-a4348756.html

    Replies: @bomag, @BenKenobi

    At least they aren’t speaking German, amirite? Am I…. am I… amirite?

  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half…?

    You should rent out that old movie ALL THE KING’S MEN; there’s a pretty telling scene in it when the cynical reporter runs into the beaten-but-honest candidate Willie Stark on the night of his defeat.

    “How do you feel, Willie?” the reporter asks, warily, to which Stark replies “I feel fine, fine. See, I leaned something today.”

    “What’s that, Willie?”

    Ominous close-up of an unsmiling Willie Stark: “How to win.”

  21. You mean like repeatedly running stories insinuating that a candidate colluded with a foreign power to tilt the election in their favor? That would involve locking up the publishers and editors of virtually every major news outlet in the country.

    Warren in the past has said some sensible things, but her ambition and the ideological center of gravity in the party means she has to basically run as Big Sister to have a shot at the nomination. Having decided her political persona is woke schoolmarm-in-chief I guess she has to ride it to whatever outcome it produces at this point.

  22. @IHTG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Two important social phenomena of the past few years:

    1) The emergence of "offended middle class sense of propriety" as an extremely powerful force in national life.

    2) The convergence of wokeness with said sense of propriety.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Could you explain (1) for me in some detail? I’ve not heard the expression and would appreciate an example or two. Thanks.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's the animating impulse behind Trump Derangement Syndrome, both on the Resistance left and the NeverTrump right. Its psyche-twisting effects are most acute among educated upper class middle women like Elizabeth Warren.

  23. I was really mad about the Soleimani hit, but I’m thinking I’m going to have to hold my nose and vote Trump again.

  24. @West Reanimator
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?
     
    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    However, I have come to doubt that that person ever really existed. There doesn’t seem to be any real Elizabeth Warren at all; just a series of personas used by the same narcissist to aggrandize herself based on whatever pose is expedient at the time.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    That’s a 3rd possibility, Reanimator. That book had a co-author who may have done all the thinking … and writing. Maybe Chief Warren is an empty shell, like Øb☭ma, who has been set up behind the scenes. As others have noted, it helps if she has something lurid or very shameful in the past, not just your average pretend-you’re-an-Injun thing, so that she can be counted on not to turn on her handlers.

    That family values/middle-class-family-can’t-get-ahead schtick was fine 15 years ago, but things are different now. She’s lucky a red , oops, white woman now, can still get up to high places in the Blue-squad still. That’s not gonna’ last.

  25. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    Was she always this radical and hid her true feelings or is she just a chameleon changing her colors for the current situation? One thing endures and that she’s a pathological liar and has been one her entire life. Who’s more sociopathic, her or the Clintons? These, our leadership class, become more disgusting the more you look at them.

  26. If you follow the link and read the actual words of her plan, it says a lot less than the article implies. Warren is catering to the Left but her actual policies are not that extreme.

    https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/fighting-digital-disinformation?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20200129

    In one section, she “calls on” the tech companies to change their policies to do various things. She perhaps recognizes that, even as President, pleading is all that she can do, because of the First Amendment. Supposedly “Russian disinformation” suppressed black voter turnout by “demoralizing them”. This is a stupid thesis but I think she is smart enough to know that this is all so vague and handwavy that you can’t really legislate around this (though it is good enough to rile up your Black and Leftist base).

    Then in another section, entitled “Government Action” she makes proposals for actual laws. The only thing she proposes here is to “Push to create civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating false information about when and how to vote in U.S. elections.” This is reasonable enough – if you are posting false information about where to go on election day in order to get people to show up at the wrong polling place, it’s fair to make that a crime. This is not at all a radical proposal.

    I could be wrong but I have the feeling that Warren (unlike Sanders) would be similar to Obama in that her actual rule would be much more moderate than her campaign rhetoric. Of course, still slanted to the Left, but less so than you might think.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Jack D

    "Vote for me, and hope that my policies aren't as extreme as I make them sound."

    Sign me up!

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Jack D

    I hope you are correct.

    When Warren first announced, I was ready to vote for her. I mean, what was the alternative? Biden the Bankster? Sanders the Socialist? Harris the Ho?

    Some of her plans are a bit out there. But some are more sensible than what others propose.

    I have been extremely disappointed with her “tear down the wall” rhetoric.

    When it’s time to vote in the Wisconsin primary, I will see who is still in the race with a realistic chance of winning, and who is the best (or least bad) of the bunch.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  27. This is why GOP calls for having the government regulate social media platforms is a fool’s errand. It assumes that only the GOP will govern and that they will govern in perpetuity.

    With Dems in charge, they will REQUIRE the social media platforms to discriminate against right spectrum commentators.

    The only solution is to create and promote your own social media platforms.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Scott in PA

    Thank you!

  28. Part of me wishes she would become President because it would trigger a backlash that the left would end up regretting. My take is that feminism is at its high water mark and can only go down taking with it women like Warren who were elevated way above their real market value due to 2nd wave affirmative action. She has occupied a very privileged position and what comes after the baby boom will be a much more competitive and less in tuned to 1950-60’s American version of being nice to your sister because that is how nice white middle class people are supposed to behave.

  29. @slumber_j
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My wife and I have been discussing what we take to be Elizabeth Warren's extreme fakeness periodically for a while now. Pretty sure her whole latter-day deal is totally ginned-up--although she's certainly been on the warpath [WHOOPS!!! Strike that.] against the bankster types since shortly after she hit the Senate in 2012.

    For example she scotched the nomination of a guy I know for I think Asst. Secretary of the Treasury pretty early on on the grounds that he was too connected to Wall Street--which God knows he was. But that wasn't anywhere near as symbolically rabid as the stuff she spouts these days.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    Warren’s role in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and what liberals were trying to morph it into is not unalike what Soros was doing in Ukraine or Chavez-Maduro are doing in Venezuela. For that matter it is what the left is doing to the Environmental movement or the Unions. The left needs money on an industrial scale to maintain their coalition and fund their backers and they won’t be able to collect it by advocating traditional welfare policies that benefit individuals and they the money moves up on a grass roots basis.

    The playbook looks like this: A quasi-governmental entity like the CFPB is established. In turn they are given the power to regulate an industry, like in this case the financial industry, and with that, the power to raise fines. It is like Jesse Jackson Push but with government authority. The trick is that rather than put the money back into the Federal Treasury where we can all benefit, 90% of the money is funneled into liberal activist groups who then support left wing politicians and causes. It is the proverbial one hand washing the other.

    Being in financial services my entire long career someone like Warren can sing the right notes but everything she touches it becomes corrupted. She will only protect consumers if they are brown or women.

  30. “Black trans and cis women, gender-nonconforming, and nonbinary people are the backbone of our democracy.” -Liz Warren

    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @Dave

    This is apparently a real quote. She should have been escorted to the old folks' home a while ago.

  31. on the one-year anniversary

    Geeze… Steve. FIRST ANNIVERSARY! No need for the unnecessary and needlessly redundant phrase.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @John Henry

    Isn’t “needlessly redundant” needlessly redundant? Why not a single, sole, stand-alone redundant in its stead?

  32. @Jack D
    If you follow the link and read the actual words of her plan, it says a lot less than the article implies. Warren is catering to the Left but her actual policies are not that extreme.

    https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/fighting-digital-disinformation?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20200129

    In one section, she "calls on" the tech companies to change their policies to do various things. She perhaps recognizes that, even as President, pleading is all that she can do, because of the First Amendment. Supposedly "Russian disinformation" suppressed black voter turnout by "demoralizing them". This is a stupid thesis but I think she is smart enough to know that this is all so vague and handwavy that you can't really legislate around this (though it is good enough to rile up your Black and Leftist base).

    Then in another section, entitled "Government Action" she makes proposals for actual laws. The only thing she proposes here is to "Push to create civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating false information about when and how to vote in U.S. elections." This is reasonable enough - if you are posting false information about where to go on election day in order to get people to show up at the wrong polling place, it's fair to make that a crime. This is not at all a radical proposal.

    I could be wrong but I have the feeling that Warren (unlike Sanders) would be similar to Obama in that her actual rule would be much more moderate than her campaign rhetoric. Of course, still slanted to the Left, but less so than you might think.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @Paleo Liberal

    “Vote for me, and hope that my policies aren’t as extreme as I make them sound.”

    Sign me up!

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    She changed because black trans women are the backbone of American democracy

  34. As if politician fighting “disinformation” isn’t rich enough, along comes Fauxcahontas.

  35. Warren is an upper class White woman. By definition the eternal enemy of the White beta male. No one should expect anything different.

  36. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1159902078103445507

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Nico

    Adult, no known offspring, about to take on an armed cop with his bare hands…it’s an outrage that he hasn’t been honoured with Darwin Award.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
    @Rob McX

    That anyone still takes seriously the "journalists" who were quick to call him "a gentle giant" even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYYTu6AO_s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res

  37. She is proposing the reintroduction of court eunuchs for decision making.

  38. Lizzie Warren took an axe
    Gave Vdare.com some forty whacks.
    Then she said, all hot and snorty,
    “Unz.com gets one-and-forty!”

  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what's happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she's a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?

    Replies: @IHTG, @OscarWildeLoveChild, @West Reanimator, @slumber_j, @d1544857, @Ragno, @Pop Warner, @Reg Cæsar

    Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book…

    How does it compare with Suzanne Venker’s book of the same name? I have that checked out at the moment, though I’m still reading The Flipside of Feminism, written with her aunt, Phyllis Schlafly.

    Now that’s socially-conservative.

    https://www.suzannevenker.com/

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    I read a bunch of amazon reviews a year or so back when I mentioned the book on my blog. It's considered to be a very reasonable plea to get families to understand the marginal monetary benefits from the wife's entry into the workplace. That's what I recall from the reviews, but I've not read the book, Reg.

    Your books sound good. There's one I read by Christina Hoff Somers (?) about 20 years ago that was pretty good, too.

  40. @West Reanimator
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I would also like to know if Mrs. Warren really believes all of the hard-core lefty stuff she spouts out these days. Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book from just 16 years ago, I gotta wonder what’s happened to this lady. Can you really go bat-shit crazy like this in a decade and a half, or is it that she’s a conniving broad at the same level as the Hildabeast?
     
    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    However, I have come to doubt that that person ever really existed. There doesn’t seem to be any real Elizabeth Warren at all; just a series of personas used by the same narcissist to aggrandize herself based on whatever pose is expedient at the time.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    I wish the person who wrote The Two Income Trap was running for President. I would vote for her.

    Me too!!


    How to Be Nice to Your Husband

    Never Marry a Feminist

    What If We’re All Wrong About Men?

    Stop Telling Men They’re Defective Women

    Feminism’s Collateral Damage:
    My Talk with Tucker Carlson

    I always wanted to vote for her aunt Phyllis. Maybe Suzanne can run.

  41. @Scott in PA
    This is why GOP calls for having the government regulate social media platforms is a fool's errand. It assumes that only the GOP will govern and that they will govern in perpetuity.

    With Dems in charge, they will REQUIRE the social media platforms to discriminate against right spectrum commentators.

    The only solution is to create and promote your own social media platforms.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you!

  42. @Jack D
    If you follow the link and read the actual words of her plan, it says a lot less than the article implies. Warren is catering to the Left but her actual policies are not that extreme.

    https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/fighting-digital-disinformation?source=soc-WB-ew-tw-rollout-20200129

    In one section, she "calls on" the tech companies to change their policies to do various things. She perhaps recognizes that, even as President, pleading is all that she can do, because of the First Amendment. Supposedly "Russian disinformation" suppressed black voter turnout by "demoralizing them". This is a stupid thesis but I think she is smart enough to know that this is all so vague and handwavy that you can't really legislate around this (though it is good enough to rile up your Black and Leftist base).

    Then in another section, entitled "Government Action" she makes proposals for actual laws. The only thing she proposes here is to "Push to create civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating false information about when and how to vote in U.S. elections." This is reasonable enough - if you are posting false information about where to go on election day in order to get people to show up at the wrong polling place, it's fair to make that a crime. This is not at all a radical proposal.

    I could be wrong but I have the feeling that Warren (unlike Sanders) would be similar to Obama in that her actual rule would be much more moderate than her campaign rhetoric. Of course, still slanted to the Left, but less so than you might think.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @Paleo Liberal

    I hope you are correct.

    When Warren first announced, I was ready to vote for her. I mean, what was the alternative? Biden the Bankster? Sanders the Socialist? Harris the Ho?

    Some of her plans are a bit out there. But some are more sensible than what others propose.

    I have been extremely disappointed with her “tear down the wall” rhetoric.

    When it’s time to vote in the Wisconsin primary, I will see who is still in the race with a realistic chance of winning, and who is the best (or least bad) of the bunch.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal

    Personnel is policy.

    Trump is bad at personnel.

    Any D will be actively genocidal for you and I.

    Y’all need a good beating to get your minds right.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  43. @d1544857
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Do we know when exactly the change occured? She was a member of the Federalist Society in the 90s.

    I favor chalking it up to working at Harvard and the pressures of living not just in Massachusetts but Cambridge (Kremlin on the Charles).

    Replies: @anon

    Do we know when exactly the change occured? She was a member of the Federalist Society in the 90s.

    Who cares? What difference does it make? Warren is Woke, so is Sanders. Because that’s how they get to stay in the Party. At least for now.

  44. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Whenever I think of her common-sense socially-conservative Two Income Trap book...
     
    How does it compare with Suzanne Venker's book of the same name? I have that checked out at the moment, though I'm still reading The Flipside of Feminism, written with her aunt, Phyllis Schlafly.

    Now that's socially-conservative.


    https://www.amazon.com/Suzanne-Venker/e/B001K7VY7K%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

    https://www.suzannevenker.com/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I read a bunch of amazon reviews a year or so back when I mentioned the book on my blog. It’s considered to be a very reasonable plea to get families to understand the marginal monetary benefits from the wife’s entry into the workplace. That’s what I recall from the reviews, but I’ve not read the book, Reg.

    Your books sound good. There’s one I read by Christina Hoff Somers (?) about 20 years ago that was pretty good, too.

  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    @IHTG

    Could you explain (1) for me in some detail? I've not heard the expression and would appreciate an example or two. Thanks.

    Replies: @IHTG

    It’s the animating impulse behind Trump Derangement Syndrome, both on the Resistance left and the NeverTrump right. Its psyche-twisting effects are most acute among educated upper class middle women like Elizabeth Warren.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  46. Completely off-topic, but has someone already been triggered by the offset for Hebrew in the Unicode character set?

    Unicode aims to UNI-fy the en-CODE-ings of all the world’s character sets into a single Standard. For quite a few of the various coding standards that existed when Unicode was first created, converting from each to Unicode essentially meant adding a constant to each code point in the original standard, and converting back meant just subtracting that same constant. For ASCII and ISO-8859-1, the constant is 0. For ISO-8859-5, (Cyrillic) the constant is 864; for Hebrew (ISO-8859-8), it’s 1488; Thai (ISO-8859-11), 3424; and so forth. This made it easy to do the conversions, and facilitated the adoption of Unicode.

    Uhh….~~

    • Replies: @Tusk
    @El Dato

    Somebody did that on purpose right? I chuckled.

  47. @John Henry

    on the one-year anniversary
     
    Geeze... Steve. FIRST ANNIVERSARY! No need for the unnecessary and needlessly redundant phrase.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Isn’t “needlessly redundant” needlessly redundant? Why not a single, sole, stand-alone redundant in its stead?

  48. Now Warren openly wants to abolish the First Amendment. Of course adding to that is the end of the Second Amendment. Also due process (e.g. House Dem impeachment process.) Statute of limitations? Forget it, unless it is real crime and not some perceived social slight. Who cares about witnesses or evidence! The Will of the (Woke) People Must Prevail!

    Question: is there any established American legal right that the current Democrat mob isn’t willing to end immediately? That is, a right which protects us from government malfeasance? (Not some bogus “right” to punish bakers for choosing their customers, etc., or free this and that.)

    The current cascade of diktats issued by various candidates seems never ending. More Soviet style mandates and promises seem to gush forth each and every week. Oh, don’t forget arbitrary “wealth” confiscation. What’s yours is theirs and what’s theirs ain’t for you, bub!

    So the question now is, what is next? What will be left untouched?

    After this neocommie crew is finished, the UK, NZ and Canada will look good for English speaking Americans. And we know how few civil rights now exist in those places already.

  49. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1159902078103445507

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Nico

    Darren Wilson should sue her for libel.

  50. anon[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Racism, homophobia, & all forms of bigotry & hate have no place in this country. The fight for equality isn’t over – no one should have to live in fear of being beaten on the street because of who they are.

    But I have reason to fear being beaten or even murdered on the streets of Baltimore or Chicago or Boston or Minneapolis exactly because of who I am; a bearer of the invisible knapsack of white privilege. So some forms of bigotry and hate have a place in this country. Just not the bigotry she doesn’t like, and not in places Elizabeth Warren is likely to go. Not likely to go to without bodyguards, at least. Sometimes it’s a matter of a couple of blocks – 100 meters – between “pretty safe” and “pretty dangerous”. How can she not know that?

    Maybe Epigone should amend his entry on “out of touch elites” with this tweet.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @anon

    Better include St. Petersberg on that list.

    "The beating death last week of a popular bartender in St. Petersburg lasted an hour or more and may have been racially motivated, according to news reports.

    Scott Jenks, 48, begged for his life several times during the attack in a sports bar parking lot January 15, WFLA-Channel 8 reports, citing newly released court documents.

    Kristoff Alexander King, 36, was arrested after he was captured on a Greyhound bus heading north, authorities said."

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/florida/os-ne-st-petersburg-bartender-beating-death-details-20200123-wr6mme5zqjfdff6hjksrmetcbu-story.html

  51. @Dave
    "Black trans and cis women, gender-nonconforming, and nonbinary people are the backbone of our democracy." -Liz Warren

    Replies: @onetwothree

    This is apparently a real quote. She should have been escorted to the old folks’ home a while ago.

  52. @El Dato
    Completely off-topic, but has someone already been triggered by the offset for Hebrew in the Unicode character set?

    Unicode aims to UNI-fy the en-CODE-ings of all the world's character sets into a single Standard. For quite a few of the various coding standards that existed when Unicode was first created, converting from each to Unicode essentially meant adding a constant to each code point in the original standard, and converting back meant just subtracting that same constant. For ASCII and ISO-8859-1, the constant is 0. For ISO-8859-5, (Cyrillic) the constant is 864; for Hebrew (ISO-8859-8), it's 1488; Thai (ISO-8859-11), 3424; and so forth. This made it easy to do the conversions, and facilitated the adoption of Unicode.
     
    Uhh....~~

    Replies: @Tusk

    Somebody did that on purpose right? I chuckled.

  53. @Rob McX
    @MEH 0910

    Adult, no known offspring, about to take on an armed cop with his bare hands...it's an outrage that he hasn't been honoured with Darwin Award.

    Replies: @donvonburg

    That anyone still takes seriously the “journalists” who were quick to call him “a gentle giant” even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @donvonburg

    Is this a Quik Trip? It doesn't look like it, it looks like an Indian owned place, that might have been a QT built out in the eighties or nineties and sold off. I don't think QT has a store this old looking or this cluttered in any market it operates in.

    , @res
    @donvonburg


    That anyone still takes seriously the “journalists” who were quick to call him “a gentle giant” even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.
     
    That video being released just as the "gentle giant" narrative was being established might be the best example of Narrative Collapse I have seen to date. Could the timing have been any better? And your point about the shameless "journalists" involved is dead on target.
  54. @the one they call Desanex
    She lied about her Indian ancestry, hence the nickname “Lying Sacagawea”.

    Elizabeth Warren = E. W., the brazen liar

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    In North Dakota she’s known as “Lying Sakakawea.”

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @duncsbaby

    Here’s my old Liz Warren limerick.

    So white woman speak with forked tongue;
    I guess nobody really got stung.
    Hate the game, not the playa,
    Lying Sack-o’-jawea.
    (Jawea: Shoshone for “dung”.)

  55. @anon

    Racism, homophobia, & all forms of bigotry & hate have no place in this country. The fight for equality isn’t over – no one should have to live in fear of being beaten on the street because of who they are.
     
    But I have reason to fear being beaten or even murdered on the streets of Baltimore or Chicago or Boston or Minneapolis exactly because of who I am; a bearer of the invisible knapsack of white privilege. So some forms of bigotry and hate have a place in this country. Just not the bigotry she doesn't like, and not in places Elizabeth Warren is likely to go. Not likely to go to without bodyguards, at least. Sometimes it's a matter of a couple of blocks - 100 meters - between "pretty safe" and "pretty dangerous". How can she not know that?

    Maybe Epigone should amend his entry on "out of touch elites" with this tweet.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Better include St. Petersberg on that list.

    “The beating death last week of a popular bartender in St. Petersburg lasted an hour or more and may have been racially motivated, according to news reports.

    Scott Jenks, 48, begged for his life several times during the attack in a sports bar parking lot January 15, WFLA-Channel 8 reports, citing newly released court documents.

    Kristoff Alexander King, 36, was arrested after he was captured on a Greyhound bus heading north, authorities said.”

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/florida/os-ne-st-petersburg-bartender-beating-death-details-20200123-wr6mme5zqjfdff6hjksrmetcbu-story.html

  56. @duncsbaby
    @the one they call Desanex

    In North Dakota she's known as "Lying Sakakawea."

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Here’s my old Liz Warren limerick.

    So white woman speak with forked tongue;
    I guess nobody really got stung.
    Hate the game, not the playa,
    Lying Sack-o’-jawea.
    (Jawea: Shoshone for “dung”.)

  57. @Paleo Liberal
    @Jack D

    I hope you are correct.

    When Warren first announced, I was ready to vote for her. I mean, what was the alternative? Biden the Bankster? Sanders the Socialist? Harris the Ho?

    Some of her plans are a bit out there. But some are more sensible than what others propose.

    I have been extremely disappointed with her “tear down the wall” rhetoric.

    When it’s time to vote in the Wisconsin primary, I will see who is still in the race with a realistic chance of winning, and who is the best (or least bad) of the bunch.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Personnel is policy.

    Trump is bad at personnel.

    Any D will be actively genocidal for you and I.

    Y’all need a good beating to get your minds right.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Desiderius

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats. The only exceptions were the child tax credit the GOP pushed through in the 1990s, and I have a kid in Mass who benefits from Romneycare.

    What has the GOP done in the past few decades?

    Every recession since RR took office has been under a GOP president, including the two worst recessions since the Great Depression.

    When I was in grad school, we American grad students paid 25% in federal, state and local taxes, while the Chinese paid zero. That was due to the 1986 RR tax cuts for the rich bill.

    When I was in grad school, Bush I decided to let EVERY Chinese in the US stay because of the Tienanmen Square massacre. That, combined with the Reagan taxes on grad students, pretty much drove Americans out of the sciences. I got a Ph.D. in the hard sciences, but could never get a decent job.

    Learn to code you say? At the end of the Clinton dot-com boom, I switched to programming, and made a lot more money. Then, Bush II crashed the economy twice, and under the Bush II regime suddenly H1-B visas from India were taking all of our jobs. I was making less money at the end of the Bush II years than at the beginning, even with an extra 8 years' experience.

    My wife is a Wisconsin state employee. Then, the GOP got rid of her union.

    What have we seen under the Republicans in the past few decades? Four recessions, three wars (two of which are ongoing), and a slew of tax cuts for the rich to drive up our deficits. When Reagan took office, the TOTAL federal deficit was under $1 trillion, including all the debts from two World Wars, the Great Depression, the Korean and Vietnam wars. The latest Trump deficit, for ONE YEAR, is over $1 trillion.

    Well, you say the Democrats will be "actively genocidal" for me?
    They need to work really hard at it to do worse than the Republicans.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

  58. @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal

    Personnel is policy.

    Trump is bad at personnel.

    Any D will be actively genocidal for you and I.

    Y’all need a good beating to get your minds right.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats. The only exceptions were the child tax credit the GOP pushed through in the 1990s, and I have a kid in Mass who benefits from Romneycare.

    What has the GOP done in the past few decades?

    Every recession since RR took office has been under a GOP president, including the two worst recessions since the Great Depression.

    When I was in grad school, we American grad students paid 25% in federal, state and local taxes, while the Chinese paid zero. That was due to the 1986 RR tax cuts for the rich bill.

    When I was in grad school, Bush I decided to let EVERY Chinese in the US stay because of the Tienanmen Square massacre. That, combined with the Reagan taxes on grad students, pretty much drove Americans out of the sciences. I got a Ph.D. in the hard sciences, but could never get a decent job.

    Learn to code you say? At the end of the Clinton dot-com boom, I switched to programming, and made a lot more money. Then, Bush II crashed the economy twice, and under the Bush II regime suddenly H1-B visas from India were taking all of our jobs. I was making less money at the end of the Bush II years than at the beginning, even with an extra 8 years’ experience.

    My wife is a Wisconsin state employee. Then, the GOP got rid of her union.

    What have we seen under the Republicans in the past few decades? Four recessions, three wars (two of which are ongoing), and a slew of tax cuts for the rich to drive up our deficits. When Reagan took office, the TOTAL federal deficit was under $1 trillion, including all the debts from two World Wars, the Great Depression, the Korean and Vietnam wars. The latest Trump deficit, for ONE YEAR, is over $1 trillion.

    Well, you say the Democrats will be “actively genocidal” for me?
    They need to work really hard at it to do worse than the Republicans.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal

    They say that Trump's main benefit has been opening eyes to the corruption of media/institutions. I think that it is opening the eyes of R-leaning Trump supporters to why so many people have hated Rs for all these years and making us more sympathetic to their arguments.

    Appreciate the insight.

    , @anon
    @Paleo Liberal

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats.

    Didn't you have an issue with the way local schools interacted with at least one of your children?

    In any event, your vote won't matter as long as 100,000 mystery voters are still on the rolls in Wisconsin.

    The same for the rest of us, in other states.

  59. @Paleo Liberal
    @Desiderius

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats. The only exceptions were the child tax credit the GOP pushed through in the 1990s, and I have a kid in Mass who benefits from Romneycare.

    What has the GOP done in the past few decades?

    Every recession since RR took office has been under a GOP president, including the two worst recessions since the Great Depression.

    When I was in grad school, we American grad students paid 25% in federal, state and local taxes, while the Chinese paid zero. That was due to the 1986 RR tax cuts for the rich bill.

    When I was in grad school, Bush I decided to let EVERY Chinese in the US stay because of the Tienanmen Square massacre. That, combined with the Reagan taxes on grad students, pretty much drove Americans out of the sciences. I got a Ph.D. in the hard sciences, but could never get a decent job.

    Learn to code you say? At the end of the Clinton dot-com boom, I switched to programming, and made a lot more money. Then, Bush II crashed the economy twice, and under the Bush II regime suddenly H1-B visas from India were taking all of our jobs. I was making less money at the end of the Bush II years than at the beginning, even with an extra 8 years' experience.

    My wife is a Wisconsin state employee. Then, the GOP got rid of her union.

    What have we seen under the Republicans in the past few decades? Four recessions, three wars (two of which are ongoing), and a slew of tax cuts for the rich to drive up our deficits. When Reagan took office, the TOTAL federal deficit was under $1 trillion, including all the debts from two World Wars, the Great Depression, the Korean and Vietnam wars. The latest Trump deficit, for ONE YEAR, is over $1 trillion.

    Well, you say the Democrats will be "actively genocidal" for me?
    They need to work really hard at it to do worse than the Republicans.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    They say that Trump’s main benefit has been opening eyes to the corruption of media/institutions. I think that it is opening the eyes of R-leaning Trump supporters to why so many people have hated Rs for all these years and making us more sympathetic to their arguments.

    Appreciate the insight.

  60. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    @Desiderius

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats. The only exceptions were the child tax credit the GOP pushed through in the 1990s, and I have a kid in Mass who benefits from Romneycare.

    What has the GOP done in the past few decades?

    Every recession since RR took office has been under a GOP president, including the two worst recessions since the Great Depression.

    When I was in grad school, we American grad students paid 25% in federal, state and local taxes, while the Chinese paid zero. That was due to the 1986 RR tax cuts for the rich bill.

    When I was in grad school, Bush I decided to let EVERY Chinese in the US stay because of the Tienanmen Square massacre. That, combined with the Reagan taxes on grad students, pretty much drove Americans out of the sciences. I got a Ph.D. in the hard sciences, but could never get a decent job.

    Learn to code you say? At the end of the Clinton dot-com boom, I switched to programming, and made a lot more money. Then, Bush II crashed the economy twice, and under the Bush II regime suddenly H1-B visas from India were taking all of our jobs. I was making less money at the end of the Bush II years than at the beginning, even with an extra 8 years' experience.

    My wife is a Wisconsin state employee. Then, the GOP got rid of her union.

    What have we seen under the Republicans in the past few decades? Four recessions, three wars (two of which are ongoing), and a slew of tax cuts for the rich to drive up our deficits. When Reagan took office, the TOTAL federal deficit was under $1 trillion, including all the debts from two World Wars, the Great Depression, the Korean and Vietnam wars. The latest Trump deficit, for ONE YEAR, is over $1 trillion.

    Well, you say the Democrats will be "actively genocidal" for me?
    They need to work really hard at it to do worse than the Republicans.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    When I think of the policies on the state and local level that have helped myself and my family, they are almost always from the Democrats.

    Didn’t you have an issue with the way local schools interacted with at least one of your children?

    In any event, your vote won’t matter as long as 100,000 mystery voters are still on the rolls in Wisconsin.

    The same for the rest of us, in other states.

  61. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @donvonburg
    @Rob McX

    That anyone still takes seriously the "journalists" who were quick to call him "a gentle giant" even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYYTu6AO_s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res

    Is this a Quik Trip? It doesn’t look like it, it looks like an Indian owned place, that might have been a QT built out in the eighties or nineties and sold off. I don’t think QT has a store this old looking or this cluttered in any market it operates in.

  62. @donvonburg
    @Rob McX

    That anyone still takes seriously the "journalists" who were quick to call him "a gentle giant" even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYYTu6AO_s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res

    That anyone still takes seriously the “journalists” who were quick to call him “a gentle giant” even as the QuikTrip footage of him stealing the cigars was circulating tells you all you need to know.

    That video being released just as the “gentle giant” narrative was being established might be the best example of Narrative Collapse I have seen to date. Could the timing have been any better? And your point about the shameless “journalists” involved is dead on target.

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