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The basic prerequisites for being President ought to be:

  • You are at least 35
  • You are a native-born American
  • You aren’t pro-affirmative action while also cheating on affirmative action
  • You don’t take Ta-Nehisi Coates seriously
 
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  1. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:

    You aren’t pro-affirmative action while also cheating on affirmative action.

    Warren didn’t cheat. She told the truth. She has family history and the DNA test to corroborate it.

    But Steve’s above formulation may have an interesting implication. If one opposes racial preferences (“affirmative action”), is it okay to cheat on them?

  2. Five years before early 2019 would be early 2014. In other words, when she was contemplating a run in the 2016 election.

  3. So five years before early 2019 would be some time in 2014, right after Coates’ essay came out and right when she was contemplating a run in the 2016 election.

    • Replies: @bored identity
  4. Joe H says:

    I read Between the World and Me and I have to say Coates is even less of a “genius” than I thought he would be. He states that black gangsters who murder each other are not responsible for their crimes, “people who think they are white” are responsible for them and basically every other evil done in the world. And I wouldn’t last long living in a neighborhood run by his rules, since he states black teenagers have the right to play their “music” as loud as the want anytime they want. This is while writing about a black kid who was killed in a confrontation between a white man and a group of black teenagers playing music loudly, but still, my idea of civilization doesn’t include loud hip hop with disgusting lyrics played as loudly as a kid wants to play it.

  5. BB753 says:

    What would we do without Ta-Nehisi Coates? The world would look empty and meaningless, deprived of his supreme wisdom. He’s the ultimate Magic Negro!

  6. Abe says:

    Sad. I kinda like Warren; Steve recommended her book and she’s the only one really taking on the tech oligopolies- at least the ones that matter. Google you can’t seem to get away from and Amazon is literally turning the retail landscape into a desert- the only thing worse than a tacky strip mall in your backyard is a tacky strip mall which Amazon turned into a ghost town inhabited only by the revnants of mobile accessory stores and vape shops. Facebook I have not used in 5 years and has no real effect on my life- so why is everyone piling on it and talking about breaking it up?

  7. lhtness says:

    Not taking Ta-Nehisi Coates seriously is white supremacy. Now make that to 10,000 words, and you’ve got yourself a job at The Atlantic.

    • LOL: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
  8. Abe says:

    Michael Chabon totally lost all my respect (I will finish reading the books of his I already own, but try avoid buying new ones unless they are really terrific) after he ecstatically collected, sublimated, and drank the sweat vapors off Ta-Nehisi Coates’s balls. Basically the blurb he wrote for BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME was to the effect he, as a white person, was not fit even to offer rapturous praise of this heartbreaking work of genius.

  9. vinny says:

    At least there’s a candidate not taking Bill Kristol seriously

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @ben tillman
  10. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan

    Coates’ essay

    To quote infamous Escalator Elaine : “Come on!”

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  11. No. 6: You haven’t had plastic surgery like Liz, surely. Plastic surgery is, after all, a fundamental lie, by which someone pretends to be someone they’re not. it never works and one ends up looking like Joe Biden, plastic head sculpted by someone with a talent for the mecha-generic. If he goes into the southh his face might melt. Lets’s see real faces as a way to evaluating real people.

  12. Forbes says:

    You had me at, “Liz Warren Studied Under…”

    And then I scrolled down. Talk about disappointing…

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  13. @Abe

    AGREE (just used a LOL up)

    and a LOL on your next comment. I didn’t know of Michael Chabon, but that was enough of a description to get me to stay far, far away …

  14. Tennessee Quetzalcoatl, America’s foremost pubic intellectual is…uh…

    In mid-2014, Coates attended an intensive program in French at Middlebury College to prepare for a writing fellowship in Paris, France.

    I had a couple years of French in HS and lived in North Africa for four years, I’d bet my life I’m more fluent in French than Tennessee Quetzalcoatl.

  15. I respect Chief Warren for her Two Income Trap and need to get it out of the library. However, she could only have gotten dumber from there, and one can take on a lot of stupidity in 15 years.

    • Replies: @SFG
  16. Yevardian says:

    I thought this was referring to Noam Chomsky… forgot that we currently live in clownworld.

  17. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    They decisively disproved her farcical stories of non European ancestry and were used to gain salaries and promotions. Displacing both superior more deserving scholars AND individuals from groups that had faced discrimination for generations but produced meaningful work.

    This pattern has been reinforced by the obvious criminal frauds in the press of recent days.

    Not only are the diversity rackets grafted onto academia as a sinecure for failed scholars like deans and various administrative actors, but they also lessen the scholarship of the students produced by superior teaching and research of more capable and harder working Professors.

    # The Rackets

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  18. @bored identity

    That escalator has been removed from the scene of the crime and transported to Washington DC to be put on display at the Smithsonian so schoolchildren can learn about the horrors of racism.

  19. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    Warren didn’t cheat. She told the truth. She has family history and the DNA test to corroborate it.

    Telling bald lies appears to be the new strategy at Correct-the-Record.

  20. Jason Liu says:

    tennessee coats is some kind of guru for lost white women, his melodramatic schtick is based on pulling their heartstrings

  21. Coates is a genius for basically writing a term paper. Warren is a fool for seeking advice from Coates. However, my opinion carries no weight. The MSM will decide the issues most important to us. Right now they are ramping up a push for reparations. Check back in a month for the next directive. Good night.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    , @Dube
    , @JackOH
  22. Ibound1 says:

    At this point Warren isn’t even in the running for Interior Secretary in a Democratic administration. Biden and Harris are the Democrat ticket. Right out of Brazil. Corrupt stupid white guy enriching his family plus a person of slight color for the underclass.

    As I predicted here, no war with Iran, only more arm sales to Saudi. I’m really going to miss Trump if these lunatics take over.

  23. Mr. Anon says:
    @Abe

    In a moment of idle channel surfing I happened across an ad for some British TV show called Luther, starring Idris Elba. The blurbs for the show, from numerous critics at a variety of American prestige-media outlets, were obsequiously fawning; they all but fellated Elba. Public black-worship has become a religion among the left-elite.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AnotherDad
  24. newrouter says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    >Right now they are ramping up a push for reparations.<

    And we on the dissident right should agree with " a push for repatriation"

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  25. I’d have more respect for Warren if she’d gone to an actual black nationalist type. But that would scare SWPL types.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  26. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Telling bald lies appears to be the new strategy at Correct-the-Record.

    The denialism on the part of Steve and some of the commenters here with respect to the solid evidence backing Warren reminds one of the Democrats’ reaction to the Mueller report: ignore the evidence and just keep on trucking.

  27. Dube says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The MSM will decide the issues most important to us. Right now they are ramping up a push for reparations.

    One may wonder whether the general push might include a most particular intent as warned by Prof. Finkelstein. If so, a groundswell is useful.

    But that’s overthought, surely.

  28. Anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinny

    I don’t know why he’s even trying. The party he’s tried to graft himself onto already screwed him royally in 2016 when he tried to butt in. They’ve made it plain and clear they don’t want him for 2020.

  29. @Abe

    she’s the only one really taking on the tech oligopolies

    She may talk bout it but if she were elected she wouldn’t do a damn thing about it. And if she actually tried to do something, she would be stopped.

    Ann Coulter says she would vote for Bernie Sanders if he went back to the anti-open borders view he expressed in his 2015 interview with Ezra Klein. Does Ann think Bernie opposing open borders would fare any better than Trump opposing open borders? He would be thwarted at every turn.

  30. @Art Deco

    Upon meeting with Coates, Warren no doubt shook his hand, thereby absorbing as much African American DNA as she has American Indian.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Troll: International Jew
    • Replies: @CCZ
    , @International Jew
  31. Anon[396] • Disclaimer says:

    My very liberal father said both Warren and Sanders were too extreme for him when I spoke to him about a month ago. He supported Sanders last time, but it seems that in their attempt to virtue signal and swing even more left since 2016, they’ve moved too far for guys like my Dad. It’s like the left is beginning to splinter and come apart as it races for the cliff. This indicates that the surge among Democrats for Biden is genuine, and it’s coming from a segment of the Democrats that has leftist fatigue. Call it nostalgia for Obama’s era.

  32. Whiskey says: • Website

    Coates is Black. Therefore he is part of the Aristocratic Ruling class, the top, that makes up America. Look at Hamilton. Aristocrats are fine as long as they are Black. Or Nuyorican.

    Warren knows that her cat lady following, and blue hair social justice warrior wannabes, worship anything Black. As long as it is loud, Black, aggressive, stupid and Angry Black.

    Real Black genius like Sonny Rollins or Miles Davis is repellent to them as say, Frank Sinatra.

    Warren knows here audience. And the female / White mass of the media, government officials, and business have decided on reparations to get White men.

  33. @Harry Baldwin

    Sorry, I meant to press LOL! (And if by chance your implication was that he had sperm cells on his palm, then I give you a LOL+.)

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @Harry Baldwin
  34. Duke84 says:

    Ta-Nehisi – Where do they come up with these crazy names?

  35. While the idea of reparations suffers from a variety of practical difficulties, debating it on those grounds is a mistake in that it accepts the premise that AAs deserve reparations at all. Much better to “head them off at the pass” and argue that if there are to be reparations, they should flow from blacks to whites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. Paul says:

    Any reparations should include returning blacks to their previous status as residents of their beloved Africa. Who could object to that?

  37. Bucky says:

    The correct title should be: Ta-Nehisi Coates (pbuh).

  38. @Abe

    I just totally lost my lunch when I processed that horrendous mental image. Talk about nightmare fuel!

  39. @Abe

    Amazon is literally turning the retail landscape into a desert- the only thing worse than a tacky strip mall in your backyard is a tacky strip mall which Amazon turned into a ghost town inhabited only by the remnants of mobile accessory stores and vape shops…

    …and Amazon itself:

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  40. @vinny

    Has Bernie apologized to the nation for not, after the President claimed “Islam is a peaceful religion”, standing up and shouting, “You lie!”

  41. @lhtness

    “What about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!?” x 3,333

    Wait, does The Atlantic only pay in reparation options? Never mind then.

  42. Have you heard? Ta-Nehisi’s a yachter!
    Have no fear, he can swim like an otter.
    In case of typhoons,
    His lips are pontoons,
    For supporting his nose above water.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  43. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    I read (skimmed) that reparations article and my big takeaway was this: I cannot believe Coates wrote that all on his own. I just cannot believe it. Which “research assistant” (or assistants) cobbled that thing together for Ta-Nehisi to slap his name on? Somebody get them to come forward.

  44. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Per Coates himself, he is not America’s foremost public intellectual. That title goes to Melissa Harris-Perry.

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Anonymous
  45. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Much better to “head them off at the pass” and argue that if there are to be reparations, they should flow from blacks to whites.

    How would you make that argument?

    • Replies: @donut
    , @International Jew
  46. @Anonymous

    If one opposes racial preferences (“affirmative action”), is it okay to cheat on them?

    Yes, but it’s harder than it looks, especially if you’re white.

  47. BenKenobi says:
    @International Jew

    Der Ewige Jude:
    always zoom-in and then use your pinky-finger to press a react-button when phone-posting.

    The more you know!
    ___—-*

    • Replies: @International Jew
  48. @Anonymous

    Warren didn’t cheat. She told the truth a story. She has generated a family history and the DNA test to corroborate it albeit to a degree not statistically significant from nearly every other American.

  49. @Anon

    You may be right.

    There isn’t much enthusiasm for Biden. His three biggest attributes are:

    1. He manages to avoid the looney left, and

    2. He never does anything contrary to the interests of banks and any other big money donors.

    3. He was Obama’s VP, and thus far more acceptable to black Democrats who are not supportive of the trendy SWPL type candidates.

    These attributes may be enough to win Biden the nomination. The general election is a different matter. The question is whether leftists will vote for the bankers’ best friend in order to keep Trump from a second term. Do enough leftists hate Trump more than Biden to allow Biden to win? I can’t answer that.

  50. A young Genius yclept Ta-Nehesi
    Shows off traits both from George and from Weezie.
    Though six-d Separations
    Tend to tank “reparations,”
    There are lots of ideas just as cheesy.

  51. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There’s a Baskin & Robbins selection of British and Australian crime drama. I think Luther‘s the one about a West Indian chap who is something of a head case and on probation with his superiors. The PBS channels haven’t been broadcasting it lately in my area. (Never seen a whole episode). I think it’s just about the only one which features a black protagonist.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  52. SFG says:
    @Abe

    I’m bizarrely quasi-sympathetic to Zuck for some weird reason (probably because I don’t use his product), at least vis-a-vis the PC merchants at Apple and Google. There was a whole hullabaloo a while back when Facebook was actually cracking down on groups attacking white people in addition to the groups attacking the usual Wokemon-points groups, he kept his non-supermodel old girlfriend after becoming insanely rich, and he seems fond of old-school Western culture like Rome. I mean, sure he fantasizes about being emperor, but every classical fanboy does that. The problem is he may actually think he has the chance.

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s an open-borders globalist billionaire who has way more money than anyone should and got that way by selling everyone’s fine-grained preferences to the highest bidder. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the Presidency. They should probably break up his company. But I usually reserve my bile for Apple and Google.

  53. WJ says:
    @Anonymous

    To be a Cherokee, you can be blonder than Elke Sommers but if you can some how prove that you are at least 1/256 Cherokee and on the Dawes Rolls then you can receive all the usual benefits, IHS, tuition assistance, etc. At 1/1024th Warren the fake is long way from even that. If less than 1/10th of 1 percent is the magical number then I suspect millions more of us are now Indian.

  54. SFG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Her personal finance book is actually pretty good, in its category and for its time. More normal people need to be told to account for their expenses, pay off their debt, and save their money.

    Apart from all the open-borders feminist signalling she has to do to get elected as a Democrat, her real passion seems to be what I always thought the proper role for a leftist should be: going after rich people. I mean, she wants to keep the banks from ripping off average Americans through payday loans and inscrutable financial products. Do you really think the financial industry needs to be less regulated?

    I’m not voting for her for President, and I wouldn’t advise anyone else to, but I wouldn’t mind seeing her as president of a newly-empowered CFPB.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @NOTA
  55. JackOH says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buffalo, I think you’re mostly right. Biden will gently tamp down talk of reparations, but not so much as to alienate the money-grabbing Black Supremacists, weakling White liberals, and other grievance hustlers in the Democrat Party wanting to get in on the money action.

    Pushback is not even too difficult, I think. newrouter suggests something like reparations conditional upon repatriation to Africa. There’s the idea of deducting costs associated with both slavery and the abolition of slavery. Plus, there are the questionable legalities of paying people today who’ve endured no slavery themselves, and who’ve benefited unduly already from affirmative action. And, any Republican can pretty much mock the reparationists by saying something like, “Gawd, those guys think the way forward in America is to rummage around America’s dirty underpants so they can get a check.”

    You need your heart in the right place to make these arguments publicly, and a strong stomach, but I just don’t think it’s all that difficult.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Buffalo Joe
  56. @International Jew

    Thanks for clearing that up, my feelings were hurt for a second there.

  57. @Duke84

    It’s an onomatopoeia. He was named after a sneeze.

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  58. @Father O'Hara

    bored & modest artist proposal for “Between Me in Flatbush and Me in Paris, Bitchez”– Reparation H 4D Installation :

  59. Everyone should be compensated for every injustice suffered by an ancestor. The Martians can pay the bill.

  60. @Anonymous

    It’s not only in diversity that the rackets are prominent. But still, well stated.

  61. fish says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Per Coates himself, he is not America’s foremost public intellectual. That title goes to Melissa Harris-Perry.

    Even as humor that hurts my head!

  62. Ragno says:

    Like most normal Americans of uninvented parentage, my reaction to this is:

    Whateverrr; so long as she runs next year. More scum for the scrum – make it so, DNC!

  63. @Redneck farmer

    Agree. I appreciate them much more than the grifter type.

  64. @Anonymous

    1. Estimate the amount of uncompensated labor performed by slaves. I.e. what were the wages of free people doing farm labor, vs the value of slaves’ room&board.

    2. Estimate the property losses caused by blacks since 1865 (and especially since 1965): outright destruction in the 1960s riots, reduction in property values due to blacks’ presence (regress property values and check the coefficient on the “percent black” variable).

    Subtract #1 from #2.

    It’s the subject of a PhD thesis that unfortunately will never be written.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @athEIst
  65. @BenKenobi

    But, when placing two fingers on the screen in preparation to zoom in, don’t place either finger over a button.

  66. @Anonymous

    Warren didn’t cheat. She told the truth. She has family history and the DNA test to corroborate it.

    LOL.

    Anon[371] are you by chance one of Harris’s boneheaded advisors who on getting these embarrasing DNA results, couldn’t recognize the correct course was to admit a mistake, apologize to Native Americans, promise to help them out and … move on?

    ~~

    One thing i’ve noticed is that leftism is a non-falsifiable ideology–extending even into personal matters. Doesn’t matter what data comes down the pike refuting some leftist shibboleth, claim, policy or even good-leftist personal story. Absolutely irrelevant.

    I would wonder, for instance, what will happen as the destruction wrought by this grotesque barbarity of drugging and destroying the feminity and fertility of young women who “feel like a boy inside” plays out. Except i need not wonder, we already know. Everyone meant well. And, in fact, it was all somehow conservatives fault for being transphobic. Just like AIDS was not the fault of homosexuals engaging in unnatural acts, orders of magnitude more likely to spread disease and then ramping up a bathhouse culture to spread disease as fast as possible, but rather the fault of … Ronald Reagan.

    For leftists some things just doctrinally *true*. Sorta like the earth being 6022 years old.

  67. @SFG

    Do you really think the financial industry needs to be less regulated?

    I think the US Gov’t ought to be 95% smaller, so that it will be less regulated by the financial industry.

    I don’t know what’s the CFPB, SFG. How about FED chairman? Ooops, that wasn’t very PC. How about Liz Warren for FED Chairsquaw?

    • Replies: @SFG
  68. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    One thing i’ve noticed is that leftism is a non-falsifiable ideology–extending even into personal matters. Doesn’t matter what data comes down the pike refuting some leftist shibboleth, claim, policy or even good-leftist personal story. Absolutely irrelevant.

    It’s funny, AnotherDad, because what you wrote about ignoring the data and maintain a stance because of its “doctrinal” truth despite all evidence to the contrary, really applies to you, Steve, and the other Warren haters.

    Warren has Indian ancestry. Her family background, family history, and DNA prove it. But you guys just keep going on as if all that doesn’t exist. Again, much like the Trump haters have done following the release of the Mueller report, which exonerated him.

    • Replies: @athEIst
  69. Peterike says:
    @Abe

    “Michael Chabon totally lost all my respect (I will finish reading the books of his I already own, but try avoid buying new ones unless they are really terrific”

    The only one worth reading is “Kavalier and Clay.” Everything else is junk. Chabon is the fiction writer equivalent of a one-hit wonder.

  70. @Anonymous

    What’s the deal, man, do you only understand whole numbers? There’s this whole set of rational numbers you’ve been missing out on all these years. Some of them range from .0025 to ~ .001. There are loads of Americans with amounts of Indian blood higher than this range, especially the bottom of the range. Most of those people don’t claim to be feather-Indians, though they perhaps should.

    Any box that says “[]– Native American” should be checked by all of us who were born here, BTW.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Most foremost.

    Look it up.

  72. @Anonymous

    The denialism on the part of Steve and some of the commenters here with respect to the solid evidence backing Warren reminds one of the Democrats’ reaction to the Mueller report: ignore the evidence and just keep on trucking.

    You have this completely backwards.

    Perhaps you are just too much of an aspie to gather in the full context here and think “hey she has indian DNA!”, but to normal intelligent humans this was a complete fail.

    It’s not something i wasted a whole bunch of cycles on, but basically Warren claimed that one of her grandmothers was substantially Indian–specifically Cherokee. Half indian or a quarter indian, something. Which would make Warren something like an eight or a sixteenth Indian. This isn’t me making this assumption, it falls right out of her making a specific tribal claim–“Cherokee”, which implies a recent mix with the deported Cherokee in Oklahoma.

    Her DNA test refutes this. It’s not technically impossible–beyond a couple generations DNA is a dice roll. But it is so statistically unlikely it is basically impossible. Her native ancestor is at least six generations–and more likely eight–generations out. The mixing is very unlikely to have occurred in Oklahoma with the deported Cherokee and while possible is likely not Cherokee at all.

    Furthermore, there are pictures of faculty guides from Harvard where Warren is listed as Native American. This can’t because Harvard just looked at her. It’s because Warren told them she was Native American.

    In sum:
    — Warren is not very Indian. She’s actually less Indian than the mean for white Oklahomans, and perhaps even for white southerners.
    — There is no reason to suspect she is Cherokee as she claimed. It’s very unlikely her ancestry pre-dates Indian removal, “Trail of Tears”, so would not be Oklahoma Cherokee.
    — Warren has no tribal affiliation with the Cherokee.
    — Warren is not the least bit “culturally” a Cherokee or Native American, never had anything to do with the tribe, it’s rituals, its culture.
    — Warren claimed–at least at Harvard–to be “Native American”

    Warren can credibly claim she simply believed her family’s stories and thought she was way more Native–and specifically Cherokee–than she is, so was not actually “lying”.

    But that her story was a fraud is what normal non-aspie humans take as the clear message of her laughable low percentage of Native Ancestry in someone who claimed to be “Native American” and in fact a specific tribal background–“Cherokee”.

    • Agree: Travis, BB753
  73. @Abe

    “Sad I kinda like Warren”

    So you have no qualms about publically declaring yourself to be insane beyond redemption.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

  74. @Abe

    Why isn’t Tim Ryan getting any traction?

    When Biden spoke at the Firemen’s union Temple in Pittsburgh, the few Blacks were stage props.

    When Tim Ryan opened his campaign in downtown Youngstown, OH, he was introduced by Blacks, prayed over and for by Blacks, and a substantial part of the crowd (larger than Biden’s Pittsburgh gathering) was Black. They hung around, lined up to shake Tim’s hand; Tim’s children, who are pretty young, circulated in the crowd, shook hands, were engaged and respectful.

    Some Political Sci prof from Cleveland said in a Skype interview on C Span that Ryan “does not stand a chance” because he “can’t gain media attention.”
    The C Span moderator, Steve Scully, former head of DC journalists organization, gave Ryan as little air-time as possible.

    That’s not journalism that is independent of government nor of the people who sign your paycheck (in Scully’s case, the heads of cable TV corporations); rather, it’s communications/media continuing the agenda of the Creel Commission, promoting the government-special interests agenda.

    What’s particularly bothersome about C Span is that so many people think it’s the next best thing to sliced bread bagels. “Fair and balanced” and “independent;” “has no agenda,” Scully preened.
    Scully, who, like Ryan, identifies as Roman Catholic, should review the part of the Catechism on Sins of Omission. And on pusillanimity.

  75. Let’s keep things straight: Melissa Harris-Perry is America’s most foremost public intellectual.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-melissa-harris-perry-americas/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  76. @Anonymous

    Warren didn’t cheat. She told the truth. She has family history and the DNA test to corroborate it.

    I hope you’re the admissions officer when my 1/32-Chickasaw kids apply to college.

  77. @Anonymous

    real indians don’t dye their hair black as warren used to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  78. @Forbes

    Forbes, well another advocate for reparations, Kamal Harris, studied under Willie Brown.

  79. @vinny

    Have you apologized to the nation for your foolish advocacy of the Iraq war?

    Not foolish. Evil.

  80. @Father O'Hara

    Padre, too funny, but entirely possible. Do they have Rosa Parks’ bus seat on display?

  81. J.Ross says: • Website

    Ta-Nuhisi Coates is Superman.
    Once, if it was said that a person was “deeply serious” about Superman, it would be understood that that person was an idiot. Now Superman movies are unironic statements about Jesus or IX/XI, and Elizabeth Smokefire Warren is deeply serious about Tennessee Totes.

  82. @Anon

    Anon, sorry about your “very liberal” father. I hope all works out for him.

  83. @ben tillman

    ben, I won’t click, but is MHP still around? She is TNC with nicer boobs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  84. TNC is basically Voltaire. I have not read either, but I read that both weren’t the most original of thinkers, yet were/are popular for their ability to capture the zeitgeist.

    Hate him or love him, TNC has influence among those that count.

    If you

  85. J.Ross says: • Website

    Yahoo has a completely deranged clickbait story about “hate” returning to the noted Klan stronghold of Portland. Their one source is of course the deliriously fraudulent SPLC and their headline illustration is race-mixing Zionist censorship advocate Gavin McInnes. Among the hate groups that the SPLC claims to be infesting the Pacific Northwest (y’know, the whole thing) are several defunct or legally neutered organizations.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/hate-makes-comeback-pacific-northwest-144002397.html

  86. Art Deco says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    She was at one time a producer of mildly interesting academic papers on public opinion formation, which appeared in obscure journals. Unlike TNC, she actually knew something. Instead of landing at a rank-and-file teaching institution, she’s been recruited by a series of selective private research universities who would have round-filed the resume of just about anyone else with her portfolio of accomplishments. She seems to get ruder every year.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  87. Ibound1 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    All the retail space will be repurposed

    No one wants to shop anyway as you might run into the Third World Freak and Horror Show that America has become. No one wants to be thrown off the balcony and no store wants mass legalized theft (anything under $750 not prosecuted in Dallas for example). Retail is dead because Americans won’t ever want to go the mall.

  88. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    2. Estimate the property losses caused by blacks since 1865 (and especially since 1965): outright destruction in the 1960s riots, reduction in property values due to blacks’ presence (regress property values and check the coefficient on the “percent black” variable).

    Should damages from violent crime (murder, bodily injury) be included?

    Should such damages be calculated for both black-on-white and white-on-black crime?

    Should damages from loss of freedom to slaves from bondage be included? How would you calculate them?

  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    All British TV now seems to be dreck. Since they abandoned RP it is now almost as unlistenable as it is unwatchable.

  90. @Mr. Anon

    Public black-worship has become a religion among the left-elite.

    Spot on. It’s really gotten to be just over the top.

    It’s a weird, weird ideology that takes the most dysfunctional groups of people in a society–blacks, muslims, homosexuals, now flat out mentally ill–trannies–and evelates them as sacred objects.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  91. @Art Deco

    Art, Yes a massive amount of anger.

  92. @AnotherDad

    Sorta like the earth being 6022 years old.

    Please. 5778 years (and eight months).

  93. @AnotherDad

    You are completely right on, AD. The really scary thought is how will this all end, there does not seem to be a limit to the craziness now transpiring.

  94. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Coates wrote an article https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/08/acting-french/375743/
    about his experience of struggling to learn a bit of French. It’s sorta interesting where he sticks to that topic. But he digresses into his trademark blackety-blackety stuff, and there it becomes somewhat tedious.

    Then there’s this remarkable admission:

    Indeed, during my 15 or so years in school, I was a remarkably low-achieving student.
    There were years when I failed the majority of my classes. This was not a matter of my being better suited for the liberal arts than sciences. I was an English minor in college. I failed American Literature, British Literature, Humanities, and (voilà) French. The record of failure did not end until I quit college to become a writer.

    Quite the leading public intellectual we got ourselves.

  95. @The Wild Geese Howard

    “In mid-2014, Coates attended an intensive program in French at Middlebury College to prepare for a writing fellowship in Paris, France.”

    Phew! Glad that’s cleared up. I was fully expecting him to be on his way to Paris, Illinois.

  96. SFG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    No major nation has a government that small. This is my beef with libertarians–can you point to an example anywhere? America after the Founding? That was 200 years ago.

    Yes, the Pocahontas thing was a cynical affirmative-action grab, and given her support for illegal immigration, I would not recommend putting her in charge of the whole country. Cracking down on bankster scams, on the other hand…

  97. athEIst says:
    @Anonymous

    Well she claimed to be NATIVE-born until some young kid said “she’s just an old white woman(with blue eyes)”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. No, it was 230 years ago all the way to 50 years ago, though arguably 100, depending on which part of the Feral Gov’t you figure does the most damage to society.

    Banksters are going to scam, so long as they have the FED and the US Gov’t under their control. One solution for that is SOUND MONEY. I’m starting to sound like Ron Paul though, so I’m probably losing your interest.

    Sure, Liz Warren for Chief of the CFPB. I’ve got no problem with that, along with Ron Paul for President.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  99. athEIst says:
    @International Jew

    African Kings(Chiefs) in possession of prisoners either sold them as slaves or killed them. If they were sold to Arabs they would be castrated.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. athEIst says:
    @CCZ

    Nonsense. I did a calculation, Elizabeth Warren has 37 drops of Indian blood

    1 pint = 7296.2060463452 drop.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  101. nebulafox says:
    @JackOH

    Not going to happen.

    1) American blacks are American and Westernized in every sense of the word, culturally. Actual Africans, from my experience, tend to find the term “African-American” rather bizarre: what ties to Africa in the 21st Century do they have, exactly? They probably chronologically have less of a tie to their ancestral lands than most whites.

    2) There’s no way even the poorest, angriest ghetto denizen-presumably what we are talking about here-in the US is going to voluntarily trade America for Africa, materially or culturally. Nor are African countries likely to welcome them being dumped on their shares, anymore than European countries want white trash back.

    Look, I get how the idea of wholesale ethnic deportations can appeal to some of the yahoos on here, but it isn’t going to pass muster with anybody else. Black Americans are Americans, end of story. Move on. Accept. Deal.

    Since underclass blacks are the ones who are likely to riot, to solve the issue, it is way better to offer inner city ghettos a monopoly on legalized drugs (think Indian casinos) and an end to the War on Drugs in exchange for dumping the white liberals and waiving in writing any further claims to reparations. Net positive for everybody except professional grievance mongers, parasitic bureaucrats, and bien pensants. Ghetto economy gets realistically built as opposed to focusing on solving the guilt complexes of affluent lefties-who are hurting more interested in punishing “Deplorable” whites more than practically helping black people-as current policy is focused on, the destructive cycle of permanent disbarment from normal life gets broken, and with it, there’s a hope of rebuilding the family structure, leading to long term rehabilitation on some level. Limiting low skilled immigration, reworking oligarchal economic policies, and all the usual prescriptions to help out struggling Americans of all races also apply.

    It’s long term but ultimately a realistic way of making things better. Realistic ways of making things better are what people like Coates don’t want because it means he won’t have anything to talk about and get paid for.

    It’s been fun.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  102. JackOH says:

    nebula–, I’m not sure your answers are any more workable than repatriation, but repatriation as a rhetorical counter to reparations’ arguments seems like a pretty good way of sparking productive solutions to relations between Blacks and Whites in America. Your own reply is pretty good.

  103. Art Deco says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    One solution for that is SOUND MONEY. I’m starting to sound like Ron Paul though, so I’m probably losing your interest.

    I.e. crackers.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  104. @JackOH

    Jack, when some one explains that a one time check means no more sucking on the teat of public benefits reparation talk will go away. Of course, I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @Travis
  105. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    What’s the deal, man, do you only understand whole numbers? There’s this whole set of rational numbers you’ve been missing out on all these years. Some of them range from .0025 to ~ .001. There are loads of Americans with amounts of Indian blood higher than this range, especially the bottom of the range. Most of those people don’t claim to be feather-Indians, though they perhaps should.

    In the American case, you either have Indian ancestry or you don’t. Warren has it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  106. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @BigDickNick

    real indians don’t dye their hair black as warren used to.

    People of Indian ancestry may dye their hair any number of colors. What color is Brad Pitt’s hair?

  107. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @athEIst

    African Kings(Chiefs) in possession of prisoners either sold them as slaves or killed them.

    Who says they killed them?

    If they were sold to Arabs they would be castrated.

    Why did they castrate them?

  108. Travis says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    very true. If Reparations results in Blacks losing their food stamps, housing subsidies, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Medicaid , etc… Currently 33% of Blacks are receiving food stamps, 40% are on Medicaid , 10% of blacks are in public housing or getting section 8 housing. If the democrats vote to give Blacks $500 per week for reparations the significant number of Blacks on welfare would no longer qualify for food stamps, medicaid and other welfare benefits.

    The federal government spends $700 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs (spending by the state and local governments push that figure over $1 trillion per year). Blacks reciev about $400 Billion per year from the various welfare programs, mostly from Medicaid…. 16 million blacks are on Medicaid. Which is astounding , considering that 6 million blacks are also on Medicare.

    thus giving the 42 million Blacks a check for $500 per week would cost the Government $1 trillion per year but save the government $400 Billion per year in welfare payments. so the cost would be $600 Billion per year if we eliminate their welfare payments. If we cap reparation at $100,000 lifetime payments the Federal Reserve could pay for the reparations with their $4 trillion balance sheet, which they accumulated with the click of a button buying Trillions of dollars worth of Bonds. To maintain their Balance sheet at these levels the Fed purchases about $80 Billion dollars worth of bonds each month, which is enough money to fund reparations of $950 billion per year.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  109. @Anonymous

    In the American case, you either have Indian ancestry or you don’t. Warren has it.

    No. There are a whole lot of numbers between 0 and 1. Amount of Indian ancestry is not a digital value – 1 or 0. Got it, yet, Digital Man?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  110. @athEIst

    Nice! I never was sure if there was a real unit called a “drop”. Is that from medicine or cooking?

    • Replies: @Travis
  111. Art Deco says:
    @Travis

    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Medicaid , etc… Currently 33% of Blacks are receiving food stamps, 40% are on Medicaid , 10% of blacks are in public housing or getting section 8 housing. If the democrats vote to give Blacks $500 per week for reparations the significant number of Blacks on welfare would no longer qualify for food stamps, medicaid and other welfare benefits.

    The raw number enrolled in SNAP has declined by about 15% in the last couple of years. Per the Census Bureau, 27% of black households were receiving SNAP cards in 2017 (v. 10% of non-hispanic white households). It’s a less affluent population, so they meet the eligibility requirements more often. SNAP benefits average $275 a month, so no one’s livin’ large on them. If you think it’s a bad idea to subsidize groceries (and there are practical and normative arguments for thinking so), you can get rid of the program. Blacks don’t have some exclusive obligation to leave money on the table.

    In re Medicaid, 38% of all blacks are enrolled, v. 14% of non-hispanic whites. NB, employment-to-population ratios for the black population at this time hardly differ from those of the white population (they’re usually 10% lower; as of now < 2% lower). Blacks are more likely to be enrolled in Medicaid because they have low wage tertiary-sector jobs which do not include medical coverage. About a quarter of the jobs in the economy are bad jobs which feature low pay and low skill. There's a pool of such jobs in any economy and someone has to do them. You've got two alternatives as a society. One is to go full Ayn Rand and say 'screw you losers' to your parking lot attendants and stock clerks and dietary employees and another is to have some sort of cross-subsidized medical care. Your choice.

  112. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @athEIst

    Well she claimed to be NATIVE-born until some young kid said “she’s just an old white woman(with blue eyes)”.

    Warren IS native born. You people are hallucinating.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  113. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well she claimed to be NATIVE-born until some young kid said “she’s just an old white woman(with blue eyes)”.

    Indian ancestry, testing at 0.5% of one’s DNA, is Indian ancestry.

    Small percentage differences in DNA can be meaningful.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  114. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    She’s not a descendant of the aboriginal population except to the degree any of us might be. (My brother also turned up with a small strand of such DNA when he sent a sample to Ancestry; he’s not hawking recipes for Pow Wow Chow at his workplace and neither am I). Tell the shmucks at Correct-the-Record to come up with better talking points. They’re making you look like a pig-headed fool.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Prodigal son
  115. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    She’s not a descendant of the aboriginal population except to the degree any of us might be.

    Yes she manifestly is. And no, not all of us have that ancestry.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  116. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    You keep pretending. You’re wasting your life.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    You are hallucinating. Warren has taken a DNA test that proves she has American Indian ancestry.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  118. NOTA says:
    @Art Deco

    She has some distant ancestor who was an Indian, according to her DNA test, so she wasn’t technically lying when she said she had some American Indian blood. On the other hand, she probably didn’t face any actual hardship from her Indian ancestry, so it looks like she just was using that claim of American Indian ancestry to get hired.

    This is consistent with how elites use a lot of affirmative action–it’s how you get Conquistador Americans getting preferences intended for the kids of Mexican day laborers, and the children of African princes getting preferences intended for the children of ghetto blacks. It’s also how you get “diversity spokesmen” who are immigrant high-caste Indians.

    I suspect one difficulty for Warren is that she was playing the game the way it’s played among the elites, so she didn’t think she was doing anything wrong. But normal people think this sounds slimy and wrong (because it is slimy and wrong–affirmative action as practiced in the US can only be sustained by not
    letting the public see what it looks like.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  119. NOTA says:
    @SFG

    Warren strikes me as one of the better possible Democratic candidates for president. She has little charisma and probably can’t win, but she’s intelligent and seems to actually care a little about ways people at the top are screwing over the people at the bottom.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  120. @Art Deco

    Well said…Warren is a fraud , but she gets away with it because so many Americans make similar claims. It is quite common for Americans to boast about their Indian great great grandfather…but few of them use family lore to obtain prestigious positions by gaming racial quota system.

    So many claim Cherokee ancestry, it has been a cliche for years. On the 2010 census , 825,000 Americans claimed to be Cherokee. The Cherokee tribe only has 295,000 members.. I suspect with so many Americans testing their DNA we may see millions of Americans self-identity as Cherokee or Native American. the 2020 census may find 15 million Native Americans , as millions of Americans have more Indian blood than Warren.

    In 2010 the census counted 6 million Americans who claimed to be Native American, this was a 45% increase from the 4 million who claimed to be Native American just 10 years earlier. If the number of Americans claiming to be Indian continue growing by 40% per decade how long will it take for 90% of Americans to be Native American ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Art Deco
  121. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @NOTA

    Very well said, NOTA.

  122. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prodigal son

    Well said…Warren is a fraud , but she gets away with it because so many Americans make similar claims. It is quite common for Americans to boast about their Indian great great grandfather…but few of them use family lore to obtain prestigious positions by gaming racial quota system.

    Have you been living under a rock for the past 6 months? Warren took a DNA test. The DNA test proved she has Indian ancestry.

    • Replies: @BB753
  123. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous

    0.5 percent could be just noise. In any case, millions of old stock Americans carry a smidgeon of Amerindian blood that they might not be even be aware of. It’s meaningless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  124. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    0.5 percent could be just noise.

    No.

    In any case, millions of old stock Americans carry a smidgeon of Amerindian blood that they might not be even be aware of. It’s meaningless.

    Whether they are aware of their ancestry or not, it doesn’t matter to the question of whether they have the ancestry. Through DNA testing, many people are discovering their ancestry for the first time.

    But even if “awareness” were a factor in qualifying for racial preferences, it would only help Warren, because, as has been amply documented, she was aware.

  125. @Harry Baldwin

    My early onset dementia keeps me from remembering how to spell and pronounce his name, so I just call him Tennessee Cahoots.

  126. Travis says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    the one drop rule was not applied to Indians. The United States government instructed the census enumerators to enumerate “half Breeds” as white if they lived as assimilated with whites. The 1870 census schedule is the first to list “Indian” as a choice in the column heading for “Color” or Race. A report of the 1870 census describes how persons identified as “half-breed” were counted.

    “Where persons reported as “Half-breeds” are found residing with whites, adopting their habits of life and methods of industry, such persons are to be treated as belonging to the white population. Where, on the other hand, they are found in communities composed wholly, or mainly of Indians, the opposite construction is taken, document their race as Indian.”

    Thus 150 years ago the US government was counting “half Breeds” was white. Most Indians were still not enumerated, Article 1, section 2 of the constitution specifically states that the census should exclude “Indians not taxed”—those Indians living on reservations or those roaming in unsettled areas of the country. When the 14th amendment was passed, the drafters clearly defined tribal Indians as “Indians not Taxed” and tribal Indians were excluded from US citizenship and section 2 of the 14th amendment provides that “Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed.”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  127. @Anonymous

    Right, but she may have 1/1024th right? That’s just under 0.1%. Even quadruple that 1/256, doesn’t quite make your arbitrary 0.5% cut-off.

    At least we’re talking real numbers now, not just whole numbers. That’s a step in the right direction.

    To walk a mile in a man’s moccasins, you must take that first step.

    – Achmed E. Newman, of the Newman Nations of the lower Coosawahatchie …

  128. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    No, she took a DNA test which indicated she may have had an ancestor about 10 generations back. Which is of no consequence. I take it Correct-the-Record pays by the word.

  129. Art Deco says:
    @Prodigal son

    Warren had an ancestor several generations generations back who lived in the old Indian Territory. The Indian Territory was partitioned in 1890 with half opened to general settlement. The thing is, even the other half had a white majority by 1900. Her 19th century ancestors tended to live just shy of the frontier, and that may be how this bit of family lore seemed plausible to subsequent generations. My father subscribed to the idea bruited about among his paternal-side relatives that there was a squaw in their woodpile (based on the variation in coloration among his great-grandfather’s children). Now we have data which indicates that your single best guess for such an ancestor would have been someone born in the mid-17th century, which doesn’t explain the variation in complexion among six people born in the last quarter of the 19th century. Family lore contains conjecture that people forget is conjecture.

  130. @nebulafox

    Since underclass blacks are the ones who are likely to riot, to solve the issue, it is way better to offer inner city ghettos a monopoly on legalized drugs (think Indian casinos)

    There is no reason to think inner city blacks would be able successfully operate that monopoly. Non-black drug users would not want to face the physical danger involved with going to deal with them, the blacks would convince themselves there’s way more money in it than it really is and Whitey must be skimming and then they’d re-start the ceaseless complaining.

  131. @NOTA

    ” But she’s intelligent”

    Bullshit, she is a nitwit, who is blabbering democrat/socialistic/leftist party lines, nothing more.

    Why is that you leftists always equate the memorization and regurgitation of Democrat party line with “intelligence”.

    Anyone who adheres to leftist ideology is a bloody moron, period.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and pro jazz performer.

  132. BO was declared by the clueless Teutons to be the most intelligent human being to ever walk planet mirth, after he went to Berlin and spewed an endless litany of DNC talking points.

    AJM

  133. @Travis

    I do know some of that history, but thanks for that, Travis. My question was whether a “drop” is a real unit of measurement, either from medicine or cooking. Obviously drops come in different sizes, but there could be such a unit, maybe .01 cc or something.

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