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Senator Lindsey Graham remembered his friend John McCain today:

“John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

 
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  1. OT Coalition of the Fringes and Imputed Racism by Presupposed Telepathy

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Time to adjust Mr. Toobin's meds again.
    , @AndrewR
    Wow. This is why Trump is right to call the media, and CNN especially, the enemy of the people. These are aggressively dishonest people. Evil, evil propagandists who completely abuse freedom of the press.
    , @Brutusale
    I stopped at "CNN analyst".
    , @El Dato
    The real question is whether Donald Trumps' appeal to racism is also criticism of Antifa.
  2. Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.
    , @Alfa158
    Voters. There it is, we have met the enemy and he is us.
    , @Daniel Williams

    How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?
     
    Are you kidding? It's a requirement.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?
     
    Represent a state that set the record for presidential candidates with a 98.6% vote. Herd mentality at its extreme.
    , @njguy73
    I could give you ten stupid quotes from U.S. Senators from the past half-century alone which would make you shake your head in dismay even harder.
    , @doylej
    well it is a good paying gig...
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    The 17th Amendment, ratified by the States in 1913, another "progressive" triumph.
    , @DCThrowback
    I get the feeling Graham's pathway to winning a Senate seat is made easier by crowded primary fields that his sponsors likely pay for. I can't prove this, but to certain important countries, he's paid for/compromised, and is therefore too important to lose.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Let's see. If you want to select for high intelligence you normally just give a written test. Something like the WAIS or the SAT. The Chinese have done something like that since the Sung Dynasty. Or you could look at how far they got in school or how many papers they had published. None of these is perfect but they all try to gauge smarts in one way or another.

    But politicians are not selected by a process that has much to do with IQ. The ability to endure endless campaigning is more important. If I remember correctly Coolidge never left his front porch during one of his later campaigns. But today's political consultants recommend more activity. The whole Trump victory is usually attributed to Hillary's failure to visit some undecided states. She sat on the porch.

    Lindsey Graham seems to be energetic. He's on TV all the time. He never says much of importance but he somehow got his face before the public. That seems to be enough.
    , @ben tillman

    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?
     
    Lindsey is a good brother, uncle, and friend.
  3. Between this and the “I had the privilege to concede” I have to seriously consider they’re trolling us.

    The more likely explanation is this is just genuinely who these people are.

    But still…

    • Agree: NickG, bomag
  4. The Romanticists believed science would merge with poetry. GOP politics have merged with parody.

    If I were to think of the most unthinkingly unaware praise a GOPe empty suit could offer for McCain, it would not be half as comedic as the actual eulogies we’ve heard so far.

  5. A few other things he taught us:

    You can crash jets in training, kill power in a Spanish town because you cut the power lines with your jet, wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier, and if your Daddy is an Admiral that covered-up the USS Liberty attack by Israel, you can be a conidered a great hero instead of being kicked out of the Navy so you sorry ass wouldn’t have to be shot down to get you to stop flying military jets.

    • Agree: CK, Autochthon, Sarah Toga
  6. The Republicans were already damn good at losing.

  7. A few other things he taught us:

    You can crash jets in training, kill power in a Spanish town because you cut the power lines with your jet, wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier, and if your Daddy is an Admiral that covered-up the USS Liberty attack by Israel, you can be a conidered a great hero, instead of being kicked out of the Navy, so you sorry butt wouldn’t have to be shot down, to get you to stop flying military jets.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.
    , @AnotherDad

    wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier
     
    Cool trick if McCain did that in his A4 as it's a light attack aircraft and did not have/need an afterburner. The F4-Phantom was the air superiority fighter/interceptor of its day. And it was one of those parked across from McCain's A4 started the fire, by an electrical surge/fault on shifting to internal power, accidentally firing a Zuni missile.

    McCain was a hothead and a not-very-bolted down screwup. (I've got some tendencies in that direction as well and have to keep a close eye on myself to keep 'em under control.)

    But let us condemn the man for his actual faults--being a traitor to the people of the United States, and a rude, obnoxious, pompous one at that.
  8. South Carolina voters need to give Miss Lindsey a lesson on losing – 2020 – get him outta there. People shouldn’t have to die for the neocons to be out of power.

  9. …And That’s How You Got Trump®.

  10. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Senator Lindsey Graham remembered his friend John McCain today:

    “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

    Sometimes when you’re a loser, quitting is winning.

    Most of us are never going to be a great NFL quarterback, a first chair violinist with the New York Philharmonic, or a Ph.D theoretical physicist. So for 99% of the population, getting a wild hair to do one of those things is to set yourself up for certain failure.

    John McCain wanted to be a war hero and a great leader. But he did not have the perquisites, “the essentials” to do these things honestly, so he made himself vulnerable to being used as a tool by wicked interests who offered him a Faustian bargain: he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.

    He sold his soul. He sold it cheap, as usually happens.

    If he had simply walked away to private life none of us would care that he did the crummy things he did in his private life. But he didn’t: he served evil causes, and we rightly curse him today.

    I’m happy John McCain is no longer in the United States Senate.

    • Agree: Bill jones
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.
     
    What were some of the things he did for them?
    , @3g4me
    @10 Anonymous [427]: "John McCain wanted to be a war hero and a great leader. But he did not have the perquisites, “the essentials” to do these things honestly, so he made himself vulnerable to being used as a tool by wicked interests who offered him a Faustian bargain: he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them."

    Gold-box comment.
    Well said.
  11. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Worthless:

    The institutional Right, however, spends an inordinate amount of time self-policing. That’s a good thing. This isn’t a call to silence people. – Ben Shapiro

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/conservatives-oust-bigotry-left-only-criticizes-them-for-it/

    Now you see, in Ben’s ethno-religious homeland, his people will remain the demographic supermajority. That is perfectly OK, but well for us, we must be self-policed.

    How about self-determination instead???

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    It is amazing how that little POS had to slink away from sight once the Michael Fields hoax was exposed. He even had to leave a gig on the local right wing talk radio station, although he claimed it was voluntary. This really is an example of Jewish money and influence that this turd can come back like nothing happened and resume his punditry, pretending to talk for the right.
  12. John McCain: the Left’s favorite asset.

  13. Let me jot this down while I’m thinking about it: “Never let a closeted little lawn gnome named Lindsey Graham preach my eulogy…”

    There. Got it.

    • LOL: The Anti-Gnostic
  14. This is the type of opposition that is so loyal they whistle a cheerful tune as they dig their own shallow grave so the executioner doesn’t have to do it.

  15. “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

    What is McCain’s legacy, by the way? The thing I’ve seen shared most on Twitter is the video of him telling the woman that Obama wasn’t “an Arab”. The only legislative accomplishment of his that comes to mind is the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, but I think parts of it were overturned by the Supreme Court, and the rest had unintended consequences.

    BTW, I saw someone say on Twitter that a nonwhite person should be appointed to McCain’s seat, and someone else (Geraldo?) say his daughter Meghan should get it. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    I’m imagine President Trump will shoot down any notion of appointing a McCain.
    , @Anonymous

    BTW, I saw someone say on Twitter that a nonwhite person should be appointed to McCain’s seat, and someone else (Geraldo?) say his daughter Meghan should get it. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?
     
    If it were up to me I’d give it to McCain’s captor and torturer.
  16. Heaven forbid Republicans should learn how to lose from Hillary and Obama.

  17. What is Lindsay Graham going to do now that he doesn’t have McCain to instruct him on how best to betray the American people? Might he actually do something constructive for once?

    • Replies: @Corn
    Maybe he’ll resign from the Senate. Would Sesame Street let Ernie go on without Bert?
    , @MarcB.
    The Palmetto Princess must be feeling the heat, because his rhetoric during interviews has been surprisingly Trumpist as of late. Perhaps Juan MCcain also taught him how to fake out disenchanted voters.
  18. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

    Dave! What are you thinking? Don’t give them any idiotic ideas. They’ll do it for sure.

  19. OT There’s More Damores There
    http://archive.is/d2C6G
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/technology/inside-facebook-employees-political-bias.html

    SAN FRANCISCO — The post went up quietly on Facebook’s internal message board last week. Titled “We Have a Problem With Political Diversity,” it quickly took off inside the social network.
    “We are a political monoculture that’s intolerant of different views,” Brian Amerige, a senior Facebook engineer, wrote in the post, which was obtained by The New York Times. “We claim to welcome all perspectives, but are quick to attack — often in mobs — anyone who presents a view that appears to be in opposition to left-leaning ideology.”
    Since the post went up, more than 100 Facebook employees have joined Mr. Amerige to form an online group called FB’ers for Political Diversity, according to two people who viewed the group’s page and who were not authorized to speak publicly. The aim of the initiative, according to Mr. Amerige’s memo, is to create a space for ideological diversity within the company.
    The new group has upset other Facebook employees, who said its online posts were offensive to minorities. One engineer, who declined to be identified for fear of retaliation, said several people had lodged complaints with their managers about FB’ers for Political Diversity and were told that it had not broken any company rules.

  20. How to lose has been the theme of American Foreign Policy since 1945. The Democrats think it isn’t fair if we win, and the Republican Stabbers can make more money if we lose.

    In theory McCain could have have been President (but not in practice). Thank God for Trump.

  21. Trump taught us how to win. Winning is everthing.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1034520745618096128
    , @dr kill
    Reminds me of the 'New Rules' meme that is gaining ground here on the dark side. Bongino has a podcast,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ggjsdFi7o

    and Schlichter has a column
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2015/04/05/liberals-may-regret-their-new-rules-n1980933

  22. istevefan says:

    “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

    And Trump is just the opposite. He is teaching us how to win. Though he has had failures, he never quits. Though he faces unprecedented opposition from the media and his own party elders, he continues to drive on with more vigor than men a third of his age.

  23. OT: Democrats as the Black Party

    Left-wing black man endorsed by Bernie Sanders wins Florida Democratic gubernatorial primary. Third-largest state in the country. His opponents were a white woman and a Jew…

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/andrew-gillum-wins-florida-democratic-primary-bid-become-states-first-black-governor-011634644.html

  24. @Dr. Krieger
    A few other things he taught us:

    You can crash jets in training, kill power in a Spanish town because you cut the power lines with your jet, wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier, and if your Daddy is an Admiral that covered-up the USS Liberty attack by Israel, you can be a conidered a great hero, instead of being kicked out of the Navy, so you sorry butt wouldn't have to be shot down, to get you to stop flying military jets.

    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn’t his fault.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @JimB
    Bystander is a good description of McCain’s military and political career. He graduated at the bottom of his naval academy class, and he seemed to lack situational awareness in combat. Also, he preferred being liked by his enemies more than his allies, both in Congress and in the Hanoi Hilton.
    , @Dr. Krieger
    That's debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn't certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.
    , @Jim Christian
    Cee-Gar to Mr. Sailer. I was a flight deck rat in the late-70s-82. We spent mucho time on the Forrestal disaster. Stray voltage on an armed plane being worked on across the deck set off a missile, which hit a plane next to McCain, which started the first fire on the port side amidships. From there the bombs and missiles hanging from planes started cooking off. Big fun, bombs getting hot. It gets ugly fast. But to be fair, McCain's involvement in that was that he got a preview of his eternity, that is, he almost BBQd his ass. He crawled out of his A-4, rolled down into a net and then a catwalk to get away to survive to wreck many aspects of life in the USA. This included, but was not limited to, illegal immigration, banking corruptions, not to mention wrecking more planes, collecting the benefits of his false valor, his unearned disability benefits, he cost us all a lot. Incalculable damage to this country, all caused by McCain, not to mention his attempts to participate in corruption of our election processes. McCain is like the character in MASH, Iron Guts Kelly, who died banging Hot Lips, but his death staged in battle later. They invented his valor for his Admiral father. A real creep, he did many shitty things, but this one thing with the fire in the Navy, not that. He surely made a deal with the devil. Thankfully, Lucifer finally collected.

    That lump in his neck/jaw? When I passed through Bethesda NNMC twenty years back, I had a Corpsman 1st Class tell me McCain also passed through there for a surgery related to his use of chaw, tobacco, snuff, whatever you wish to refer to it as. That lump isn't in the pix with him on his crutches with Nixon, it came later, yet they always blamed his 'beatings'. From pilots to flight deck rats, chaw was all over the joint. Me, I just stuck to joints.

    , @Anonymous
    Here’s where you are wrong. The bombs that detonated, were from his aircraft. McCain fled from the scene of the fuel fire that had started under his aircraft to a safe briefing room at the other end of the ship as 100s of men converged toward the fire to put out the blaze. McCain ran from danger when he should have got out the cockpit and fought the fire under his rig and should have attempted to roll his 1000 bombs away from the fuel fire.
    , @Brutusale
    I see what you did there.

    My only question is this: why did McCain fabricate his story about the tragedy?
    , @DCThrowback
    Mostly true, the question of how his bombs dropped still remains a pretty open one.

    This truthdig piece on the entire affair and what McCain did before, during and after is quite reasonable and asks the questions I would ask.

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/

    McCain's description of his own career (as recalled by one of his peers/friends) is quite apt.
    , @Stan d Mute

    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn’t his fault.
     
    Of course Steve, and Teddy Kennedy wasn’t guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide. Obviously the fact that McStain’s daddy was an Admiral and Kennedy’s family were Kennedys had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with that investigative outcome...
    , @Mr. Anon
    The Truthdig piece that commenter DCThrowback mentioned points out some very strange details about the Forrestal disaster:

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/

    Whatever the facts surrounding the explosion and fire, it seems that McCain was accorded some unusually privileged treatment immediately afterwards.
  25. Anonymous [AKA "SeaSamuel"] says:

    As an antipodean observer, I was struck by the Fair Lady from South Carolina’s claim that those in attendance for the ceremony for re-enlistment, to which Petraeus and McCain were speaking, were ‘equally’ non-citizens. And those non-citizens were having their applications ‘expedited’.

    Am I wrong to be surprised that this is an extraordinary number of non-citizens to be serving in combat theaters?

    SeaSamuel.

  26. OT: Florida Democrats appear to be doing their part to help the Sailer Strategy, by nominating a left-wing anti-gun black guy who wants to raise taxes to be their standard-bearer in the governor’s race in November:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-democrat-governor-nominee-20180828-story.html

    For those outside of Florida, this guy is generally regarded as the least electable of all the candidates the Democrats had put up. The guy who won the Republican primary was backed by Trump and spent the entire campaign boasting of how 100 percent on board the Trump train. So this is basically a test run for both parties’ emerging White House strategies for 2020.

    This race could offer an interesting glimpse into America’s future, not just for 2020, but beyond.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Florida Republicans still have to get out and vote in November.
    , @AnotherDad


    OT: Florida Democrats appear to be doing their part to help the Sailer Strategy, by nominating a left-wing anti-gun black guy who wants to raise taxes to be their standard-bearer in the governor’s race in November:
     
    I guess Levine really needed someone who could draw swastikas the right way.

    This is great news. Goal: zero white male Democrats elected!
  27. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.
     
    ROTFL!
    , @Bill
    That's absolutely brilliant.

    The Guam flipping over guy is in the House because YKW needed to get rid of Cynthia McKinney, and the actually retarded Hank Johnson was their solution. They tried Denise Majette first, but she was smart and could speak English so Cynthia eventually was able to fight her off. Parallels to Lindsay Graham are obvious.
  28. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    Bystander is a good description of McCain’s military and political career. He graduated at the bottom of his naval academy class, and he seemed to lack situational awareness in combat. Also, he preferred being liked by his enemies more than his allies, both in Congress and in the Hanoi Hilton.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    McCain had his talents, but they weren't flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn't have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.
  29. In contrast, Donald Trump wrote a book entitled Winners Aren’t Losers. Makes ya think.

  30. @JimB
    Bystander is a good description of McCain’s military and political career. He graduated at the bottom of his naval academy class, and he seemed to lack situational awareness in combat. Also, he preferred being liked by his enemies more than his allies, both in Congress and in the Hanoi Hilton.

    McCain had his talents, but they weren’t flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn’t have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    You usually can't get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.
    , @JimB
    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.
    , @Screwtape
    As opposed to the officers flying in the various service branches, very few in the infantry were captured. So maybe that issue could have been avoided.

    But a butterbar with a lack of technical savvy and poor situational awareness can get a lot of guys killed in the Marine Corps infantry.

    Better to put a jet into a pond than to have 30 or 40 men led into a buzzsaw because it all happened so fast.
    , @GeologyAnon
    Seriously? I'm no McCain fan but he was an O4 when he was shot down. So he had already "trapped" or landed on an aircraft carrier hundreds or thousands of times before he was shot down. If you don't think that a guy who has performed hundreds of aircraft carrier (including night landings and pitching deck ops) landings and who also had survived penetrating the most advanced anti-aircraft defenses in the world (around Hanoi) multiple times while flying a functionally obsolete aircraft (the A4) was in the top 1% of all pilots ever, then you need to acquire more aviation knowledge.
  31. @Whiskey
    Trump taught us how to win. Winning is everthing.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is huge. This is what winning looks like. Not just in the appointments but in that Trump seems to have found a way to work together with his Congressional allies.
    , @Brutusale
    I can only dream about Trump being POTUS long enough to remake the US 9th!
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    [winning bigly intensifies]

    Checks self....nope, still not tired of winning...

    [gets popcorn]
  32. 538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million “in the private sector” after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP’s midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP’s loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house.
     
    Yep, that makes it certain. We know Nate Silver was right in 2016 that Hillary Clinton is our President right now.
    , @Anon7
    Is this the same 538 that gave HRC an 80% chance of winning at this point in the 2016 election?
    , @Berty
    Hey there Lot. I was wondering when you'd see fit to start your shitty concern trolling like you do every election cycle.
    , @Jack Hanson
    You mean the seven out of eight that have gone Trump's way?

    Keep on huffing that paint, Lot.
    , @res
    Let's see how 538 does this time ; ) They have proved they are good at predicting outcomes when Democrats do well. The other way, not so much.

    I find the RCP analysis interesting: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html

    They show likely+lean 199 Democrats and 193 Republicans. But of the tossups 41 are currently R with only 2 D. That seems like a big swing.

    In 2016 they predicted 190/20/225 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/house/2016_elections_house_map.html
    Of the tossups 3 were currently Democrat.
    Result was 194/241: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2016
    So the apparent (I did not look at individual districts) tossup result (D/R 4/16) was much closer to what current seat status would have predicted (3/17) than an even split.

    In 2014 (perhaps a better comparison as a midterm) they predicted 179/30/226 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/house/2014_elections_house_map.html
    with the tossups being currently 10/20 D/R.
    Result was 188/247. So again the apparent tossup split (9/21) was closer to current party (10/20) than to an even split.

    So my take is that for the last two elections RCP was overly optimistic for the House Democrats and the result was better predicted by simply looking at the current parties of the tossup districts and predicting based on that. That would predict a 201/234 D/R split. Let's see how that simplistic analysis does against the electoral geniuses at 538. That is far out on their right tail. For my WAG how about splitting the difference with 538's median prediction of 227/208 giving 214/221 for a small R majority?

    It would be interesting to analyze the RCP performance by each category of prediction (likely/lean by party and tossup) to learn more (e.g. what was accuracy in each category). But doing that would take much more effort. Of course, it is well within the capabilities of 538 or RCP and is the kind of post mortem I think a good analyst would do.

    RCP also has predictions for 2012 and 2010 if anyone wants to extend this analysis. The 2008 format is a bit different: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/house/battle_for_the_house_of_representatives.html
    This is all I see for 2006: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/latestpolls/
    And essentially nothing for the 2004 house race by district AFAICT.
  33. @J.Ross
    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.

    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.

    ROTFL!

  34. @Anonymous

    Senator Lindsey Graham remembered his friend John McCain today:

    “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

     

    Sometimes when you're a loser, quitting is winning.

    Most of us are never going to be a great NFL quarterback, a first chair violinist with the New York Philharmonic, or a Ph.D theoretical physicist. So for 99% of the population, getting a wild hair to do one of those things is to set yourself up for certain failure.

    John McCain wanted to be a war hero and a great leader. But he did not have the perquisites, "the essentials" to do these things honestly, so he made himself vulnerable to being used as a tool by wicked interests who offered him a Faustian bargain: he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.

    He sold his soul. He sold it cheap, as usually happens.

    If he had simply walked away to private life none of us would care that he did the crummy things he did in his private life. But he didn't: he served evil causes, and we rightly curse him today.

    I'm happy John McCain is no longer in the United States Senate.

    he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.

    What were some of the things he did for them?

    • Replies: @TheJester

    What were some of the things he [McCain] did for them?
     
    1. McCain spent a career keeping trillions of dollars flowing to the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. He was a key player in Washington fomenting perpetual war ... Invade the World -- Invite the World.

    2. McCain opened up Arizona to the copper mining industry with little regard for environmental damage and pollution. The scarred landscape aside, Arizona no longer has enough potable water to support its population. Cf: Recent issue of Harper's Magazine.

    If Divine Justice is served, John McCain will spend eternity frozen in Dante's Ninth Circle of Hell along with the rest of life's treacherous ilk.

    BTW: Who said McCain was a Republican? He was without policies or principles. He was an independent protagonist who sold his soul to the highest bidder.
  35. I don’t understand why we’re supposed to worship McCain. His family ran a plantation and were slave owners, which I admit makes him a natural democrat.

    He got into the Naval Academy because his father and grandfather were 4 star admirals. McCain himself graduated 894th out of 899, making as little as possible out of that opportunity after screwing some other guy out of it.

    His baseline personality always seemed to me to be a cross between the guy who sat up straight and said “Yes, sir” whenever his father or grandfather spoke, but who implicitly asked everyone one else he met “Do you know who I am?”

    I think Mr. Trump nailed him, as usual.

  36. Key passage from McCain’s oddly upbeat concession speech after losing to Obama, which Trump later ripped off by changing a few words:

    We’re going to lose. We’re going to lose so much. We’re going to lose at trade, we’re going to lose at the border. We’re going to lose so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of losing, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t lose anymore.’

    You’ve heard this one—you’ll say ‘Please, Mr. Senator, we beg you sir, we don’t want to lose anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to lose to everybody else.’ And I’m going to say “I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep losing, losing, losing, We’re going to make America grate again.”

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    So true it's sad.
  37. @Lot
    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million "in the private sector" after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP's midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP's loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house.

    Yep, that makes it certain. We know Nate Silver was right in 2016 that Hillary Clinton is our President right now.

  38. @Steve Sailer
    McCain had his talents, but they weren't flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn't have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.

    You usually can’t get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    He should've maybe been commanding a desk.
    , @Jim Christian
    A Marine Corps pilot crashed aboard Nimitz in 1981, killing 11, Bad night at Black Rock. It was the first Marine Corps squadron aboard Nimitz that I ever remember dating back to my time in 1976. Dropped his MVAQ Queer A-6 four-seater right on top of a trio of armed and fueled F-14s, a stunt worthy of a McCain. The pilot was determined to be distracted over a divorce/remarriage situation. Marines don't do well in Naval Aviation, I wouldn't want to be around that shit.
    , @RVBlake
    That may have resulted in a McCain Mutiny.
    , @Hibernian
    "You usually can’t get very far in the Navy as a Marine."

    I think you mean the Department of the Navy. No Marine would admit to being in the Navy.
  39. @Steve Sailer
    McCain had his talents, but they weren't flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn't have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.

    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.
     
    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time. They're desperate for women, for Blacks, for Hispanics, queers, trannies, whatever freak show you want to name to be pilots, in order to have same in these fields. Crashes and death have resulted.

    The meritocracy is way dead. These days, McCain would likely, being at the bottom of White guys' quals, lost his spot to a woman, Black or Hispanic (none of which I ever say fly in Naval Air) of even lesser aptitude and ability. Because: Diversity.
  40. @Steve Sailer
    McCain had his talents, but they weren't flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn't have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.

    As opposed to the officers flying in the various service branches, very few in the infantry were captured. So maybe that issue could have been avoided.

    But a butterbar with a lack of technical savvy and poor situational awareness can get a lot of guys killed in the Marine Corps infantry.

    Better to put a jet into a pond than to have 30 or 40 men led into a buzzsaw because it all happened so fast.

  41. Completely OT: About that study that Steve linked to in his post last week (“Is transgendered the new anorexia?”) regarding “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria”. Well guess what? Brown University has pulled Ms. Littman’s study.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/35102/university-erases-link-study-asked-if-teens-hank-berrien

    https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender

    • Replies: @anonymous
    News to all of us.
    , @res
    Isolated demands for rigor are a real thing. That seems to be the technique of choice in the Current Year for dealing with inconvenient studies.

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/
  42. @Lot
    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million "in the private sector" after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP's midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP's loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    Is this the same 538 that gave HRC an 80% chance of winning at this point in the 2016 election?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Had Clinton the heavy favorite the entire campaign, 69% on the last poll. He also had Labor winning the second election of Cameron where the Tories won an outright if slim majority.
    , @Lot
    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the "under" on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    You can say that doesn't matter, but it mattered to me. Like Silver I also thought Trump would most likely lose, but keep it much closer than expected. I bet that way, and won about a thousand in prediction markets betting roughly even money Trump would win NC, GA, and UT.

    Here my questions are whether the conventional wisdom of a slim Dem majority understates values the chance of a GOP majority and/or a Dem blowout.
  43. The smart money mourning the election of President Obama in 2008 understood that McCain’s sole goal was to win the Republican nomination, and that nothing pleased him more than losing “heroically.”

  44. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Voters. There it is, we have met the enemy and he is us.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Yes, even after being a member of the Gang of Eight, this POS was easily reelected.
  45. @Alfa158
    Voters. There it is, we have met the enemy and he is us.

    Yes, even after being a member of the Gang of Eight, this POS was easily reelected.

  46. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Are you kidding? It’s a requirement.

  47. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Represent a state that set the record for presidential candidates with a 98.6% vote. Herd mentality at its extreme.

  48. OT Briefly: Bruce Ohr is talking. Everything is coming out. There was treasonous dealing with China that lead to our intelligence assets in China being exposed and killed in the 2010-12 period. The whole thing was going to be blamed on the evil Russians. Expect many stories tomorrow about Trump cheating on his wife and Alex Jones being a closeted homosexual. This was why it was so necessary for Mueller to “investigate” every business dealing from years ago.

  49. Mark Steyn wrote about Trump being a change from Republicans who could “make dignified concession speaches”. I think that he may have been thinking of McCain.

  50. “John taught us how to lose. … .”

    Yeah yeah yeah. This is alt-right political fantasy bullshit. It wasn’t Lindsey Graham who was propping up Roy Moore in Alabama, Weekend-at-Bernie’s style.

    Btw, Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain. I don’t expect this to go anywhere but I could just imagine that if that does happen, at least 20% of the crank commentariat here will it out on their Republican ballot (or lack of it) this November.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain.
     
    Richard Russell "was the chief sponsor of the National School Lunch Act, which provided free or low-cost schools lunches to impoverished students."

    That makes his an interesting choice of name for the Schumers in DC to have scrubbed from their own building. For a Republican warmonger.

    Ta talks sense here:

    A History of Liberal White Racism, Cont.
    It's not that northern liberals cut a deal with southern racists -- the southerners were very much married to to the prospect of progressive reform.

    , @Jack Hanson
    No, it was McConnell lighting a pile of money on fire to torpedo Mo Brooks in favor of Luther Strange and then running from Moore based off insane allegations.
  51. It wasn’t Lindsey Graham who was propping up Roy Moore in Alabama, Weekend-at-Bernie’s style.

    But it was Lindsay and the rest of the GOPe that undercut his chances by telling people to write in somebody else. The write-ins were more than what Moore lost by.

  52. @MarkinLA
    You usually can't get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.

    He should’ve maybe been commanding a desk.

  53. The infamous Flight 93 Election essay, by Michael Anton said the “conservatives” were too comfortable to lose with dignity, and keep their cushy and prestigious roles. And even when they did win elections or score policy victories, they’d throw those away.

    If you’re among the subspecies conservative intellectual or politician… Your job is to show up and lose

    This affirms that view.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  54. OT I know that when I think “pizza,” I think of that black guy who can’t play the piano, who appeared on that one episode of Penn & Teller’s BS as a “cultural auditor” who evaluated the racism of a given institution (for a reasonable price) and assigned a numerical value for their relative racism.
    https://www.papajohns.com/values/

    An independent cultural audit and investigation of our diversity and inclusion practices is underway, with actionable recommendations to follow.

    Remember, he said the n-word because he was participating in BS cultural auditing garbage roleplaying and has effectively been told to do so. And he’s not there any more anyway. But with racists, like Russian hackers and real killers, you’ve just got to keep looking.

  55. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1034520745618096128

    This is huge. This is what winning looks like. Not just in the appointments but in that Trump seems to have found a way to work together with his Congressional allies.

    • Replies: @Lot
    You're on fire today, but getting district judges in mostly very red states with a GOP senate isn't big news. Trump isn't doing badly overall on judges, but you know we are winning when he fills up DC, 2nd and 9th Circuits. His one attempt at getting a conservative onto the 9th Cir so far failed.
  56. @Boethiuss

    “John taught us how to lose. … .”
     
    Yeah yeah yeah. This is alt-right political fantasy bullshit. It wasn't Lindsey Graham who was propping up Roy Moore in Alabama, Weekend-at-Bernie's style.

    Btw, Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain. I don't expect this to go anywhere but I could just imagine that if that does happen, at least 20% of the crank commentariat here will it out on their Republican ballot (or lack of it) this November.

    Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain.

    Richard Russell “was the chief sponsor of the National School Lunch Act, which provided free or low-cost schools lunches to impoverished students.”

    That makes his an interesting choice of name for the Schumers in DC to have scrubbed from their own building. For a Republican warmonger.

    Ta talks sense here:

    A History of Liberal White Racism, Cont.
    It’s not that northern liberals cut a deal with southern racists — the southerners were very much married to to the prospect of progressive reform.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Richard Russell “was the chief sponsor of the National School Lunch Act, which provided free or low-cost schools lunches to impoverished students.”
     
    That's true, but obviously the Democrats are trying to play the race card here. And more than that, stirring up the shit on our side by rubbing our face in the fact that a lot of GOP voters hate McCain.

    I don't expect this to go anywhere, but it's one more little obstacle that we have to work around. If those of us at the voter/activist level were a little more levelheaded, we'd be further along on the things that really matter.
  57. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    I could give you ten stupid quotes from U.S. Senators from the past half-century alone which would make you shake your head in dismay even harder.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I can give you ten stupid quotes just from my own state's sitting Senators.

    I have the advantage of being represented by Elizabeth (Fauxcahontas) Warren and Fast Eddie (The Ice Cream Man) Markey.
  58. @Anon7
    Is this the same 538 that gave HRC an 80% chance of winning at this point in the 2016 election?

    Had Clinton the heavy favorite the entire campaign, 69% on the last poll. He also had Labor winning the second election of Cameron where the Tories won an outright if slim majority.

  59. BTW,does Viet Nam still call their currency the”dong?”
    “So where ya goin’ Pham?”
    “Goin’ down to Ho Chi Minh City. Gonna get me some dong! ”
    Maybe think about fixing that.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    “Boy, those French! They have a different word for everything.”― Steve Martin
  60. OT Trump did this, just like he made the hurricane worse in Puerto Rico than it was everywhere else!
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/08/28/child-dies-after-release-from-ice-custody-valencia-nr-vpx.cnn

  61. @Reg Cæsar

    Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain.
     
    Richard Russell "was the chief sponsor of the National School Lunch Act, which provided free or low-cost schools lunches to impoverished students."

    That makes his an interesting choice of name for the Schumers in DC to have scrubbed from their own building. For a Republican warmonger.

    Ta talks sense here:

    A History of Liberal White Racism, Cont.
    It's not that northern liberals cut a deal with southern racists -- the southerners were very much married to to the prospect of progressive reform.

    Richard Russell “was the chief sponsor of the National School Lunch Act, which provided free or low-cost schools lunches to impoverished students.”

    That’s true, but obviously the Democrats are trying to play the race card here. And more than that, stirring up the shit on our side by rubbing our face in the fact that a lot of GOP voters hate McCain.

    I don’t expect this to go anywhere, but it’s one more little obstacle that we have to work around. If those of us at the voter/activist level were a little more levelheaded, we’d be further along on the things that really matter.

  62. @Anon7
    Is this the same 538 that gave HRC an 80% chance of winning at this point in the 2016 election?

    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the “under” on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    You can say that doesn’t matter, but it mattered to me. Like Silver I also thought Trump would most likely lose, but keep it much closer than expected. I bet that way, and won about a thousand in prediction markets betting roughly even money Trump would win NC, GA, and UT.

    Here my questions are whether the conventional wisdom of a slim Dem majority understates values the chance of a GOP majority and/or a Dem blowout.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    … and won about a thousand in prediction markets …
     
    One. Thousand. Dollars.

    Well Mr. Bond?
    , @Jack Hanson
    "It matters to me because using triple bankshot logic I was right in spite of being wrong."

    Do you even listen to yourself?

    , @res

    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the “under” on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.
     
    How do you feel about the way his prediction changed close to the election? It seemed to me that he tried to split the difference between what he wanted to happen and reality.
  63. @Lot
    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million "in the private sector" after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP's midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP's loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    Hey there Lot. I was wondering when you’d see fit to start your shitty concern trolling like you do every election cycle.

  64. @J.Ross
    This is huge. This is what winning looks like. Not just in the appointments but in that Trump seems to have found a way to work together with his Congressional allies.

    You’re on fire today, but getting district judges in mostly very red states with a GOP senate isn’t big news. Trump isn’t doing badly overall on judges, but you know we are winning when he fills up DC, 2nd and 9th Circuits. His one attempt at getting a conservative onto the 9th Cir so far failed.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    True, the real test is Kavanaugh.
    , @Desiderius
    Holding serve in this environment is not nothing.
  65. @Dave Pinsen
    “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

    What is McCain’s legacy, by the way? The thing I’ve seen shared most on Twitter is the video of him telling the woman that Obama wasn’t “an Arab”. The only legislative accomplishment of his that comes to mind is the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, but I think parts of it were overturned by the Supreme Court, and the rest had unintended consequences.

    BTW, I saw someone say on Twitter that a nonwhite person should be appointed to McCain’s seat, and someone else (Geraldo?) say his daughter Meghan should get it. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

    I’m imagine President Trump will shoot down any notion of appointing a McCain.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    PDJT has nothing to do with it. It is the Arizona governor's choice. Don't t believe it even needs state legislature approval.
  66. @Father O'Hara
    BTW,does Viet Nam still call their currency the"dong?"
    "So where ya goin' Pham?"
    "Goin' down to Ho Chi Minh City. Gonna get me some dong! "
    Maybe think about fixing that.

    “Boy, those French! They have a different word for everything.”― Steve Martin

  67. @Lot
    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the "under" on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    You can say that doesn't matter, but it mattered to me. Like Silver I also thought Trump would most likely lose, but keep it much closer than expected. I bet that way, and won about a thousand in prediction markets betting roughly even money Trump would win NC, GA, and UT.

    Here my questions are whether the conventional wisdom of a slim Dem majority understates values the chance of a GOP majority and/or a Dem blowout.

    … and won about a thousand in prediction markets …

    One. Thousand. Dollars.

    Well Mr. Bond?

  68. @Lot
    You're on fire today, but getting district judges in mostly very red states with a GOP senate isn't big news. Trump isn't doing badly overall on judges, but you know we are winning when he fills up DC, 2nd and 9th Circuits. His one attempt at getting a conservative onto the 9th Cir so far failed.

    True, the real test is Kavanaugh.

  69. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Completely OT: About that study that Steve linked to in his post last week (“Is transgendered the new anorexia?”) regarding “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria”. Well guess what? Brown University has pulled Ms. Littman’s study.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/35102/university-erases-link-study-asked-if-teens-hank-berrien

    https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender

    News to all of us.

  70. @Steve Sailer
    McCain had his talents, but they weren't flying. His father should have had him become a Marine Corps infantry officer. He was brave enough and he wouldn't have needed to be so good at technical stuff to avoid crashing.

    Seriously? I’m no McCain fan but he was an O4 when he was shot down. So he had already “trapped” or landed on an aircraft carrier hundreds or thousands of times before he was shot down. If you don’t think that a guy who has performed hundreds of aircraft carrier (including night landings and pitching deck ops) landings and who also had survived penetrating the most advanced anti-aircraft defenses in the world (around Hanoi) multiple times while flying a functionally obsolete aircraft (the A4) was in the top 1% of all pilots ever, then you need to acquire more aviation knowledge.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The A-4 wasn’t obsolete. It was a perfectly good airplane at that time. Small, maneuvable, could get in and out well. Simple to maintain.

    Simply put, getting shot down was and is an occupational hazard in the ground assault business. A Warthog might have brought more guys back, but it is not a carrier airplane.

    I would be the first to say John McCain should not be considered a fuck-up for getting shot down. For that, you must look at his whole career. And judged overall, he was.

    Competent military leadership would not have put him in that position in the first place. The Navy has plenty of places for people around whom things consistently go bad: the carrier flight deck is not one of them. Being the son and grandson of admirals clouded the judgment of too many people.
    , @Jim Christian
    So what? Among his peers he was bottom 1%. worse, even.
  71. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeologyAnon
    Seriously? I'm no McCain fan but he was an O4 when he was shot down. So he had already "trapped" or landed on an aircraft carrier hundreds or thousands of times before he was shot down. If you don't think that a guy who has performed hundreds of aircraft carrier (including night landings and pitching deck ops) landings and who also had survived penetrating the most advanced anti-aircraft defenses in the world (around Hanoi) multiple times while flying a functionally obsolete aircraft (the A4) was in the top 1% of all pilots ever, then you need to acquire more aviation knowledge.

    The A-4 wasn’t obsolete. It was a perfectly good airplane at that time. Small, maneuvable, could get in and out well. Simple to maintain.

    Simply put, getting shot down was and is an occupational hazard in the ground assault business. A Warthog might have brought more guys back, but it is not a carrier airplane.

    I would be the first to say John McCain should not be considered a fuck-up for getting shot down. For that, you must look at his whole career. And judged overall, he was.

    Competent military leadership would not have put him in that position in the first place. The Navy has plenty of places for people around whom things consistently go bad: the carrier flight deck is not one of them. Being the son and grandson of admirals clouded the judgment of too many people.

  72. Senator Lindsey Graham remembered her friend John McCain today:

    Senator Lindsey Graham remembered her boy friend John McCain today:

    FIFY

  73. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    That’s debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn’t certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    That’s debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn’t certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.
     
    No, it isn't debatable. The exhaust of the planes on the flight deck faces outboard for, guess what, safety reasons so you aren't blasting the other planes.
  74. @Whiskey
    Trump taught us how to win. Winning is everthing.

    Reminds me of the ‘New Rules’ meme that is gaining ground here on the dark side. Bongino has a podcast,

    and Schlichter has a column
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2015/04/05/liberals-may-regret-their-new-rules-n1980933

  75. @J.Ross
    OT Coalition of the Fringes and Imputed Racism by Presupposed Telepathy
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1034600638158594048

    Time to adjust Mr. Toobin’s meds again.

  76. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    well it is a good paying gig…

  77. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    Cee-Gar to Mr. Sailer. I was a flight deck rat in the late-70s-82. We spent mucho time on the Forrestal disaster. Stray voltage on an armed plane being worked on across the deck set off a missile, which hit a plane next to McCain, which started the first fire on the port side amidships. From there the bombs and missiles hanging from planes started cooking off. Big fun, bombs getting hot. It gets ugly fast. But to be fair, McCain’s involvement in that was that he got a preview of his eternity, that is, he almost BBQd his ass. He crawled out of his A-4, rolled down into a net and then a catwalk to get away to survive to wreck many aspects of life in the USA. This included, but was not limited to, illegal immigration, banking corruptions, not to mention wrecking more planes, collecting the benefits of his false valor, his unearned disability benefits, he cost us all a lot. Incalculable damage to this country, all caused by McCain, not to mention his attempts to participate in corruption of our election processes. McCain is like the character in MASH, Iron Guts Kelly, who died banging Hot Lips, but his death staged in battle later. They invented his valor for his Admiral father. A real creep, he did many shitty things, but this one thing with the fire in the Navy, not that. He surely made a deal with the devil. Thankfully, Lucifer finally collected.

    That lump in his neck/jaw? When I passed through Bethesda NNMC twenty years back, I had a Corpsman 1st Class tell me McCain also passed through there for a surgery related to his use of chaw, tobacco, snuff, whatever you wish to refer to it as. That lump isn’t in the pix with him on his crutches with Nixon, it came later, yet they always blamed his ‘beatings’. From pilots to flight deck rats, chaw was all over the joint. Me, I just stuck to joints.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Congrats.

    We have something in common, Bro.

    I was in Hershey the night Wilt scored 100 pts.
    , @Anonymous
    With all due respect, I’ll wait to make up mind on McCain’s culpability in the deadly Forrestal fire until after reading a 15,000-word American Pravda piece on it by Ron Unz.
  78. @GeologyAnon
    Seriously? I'm no McCain fan but he was an O4 when he was shot down. So he had already "trapped" or landed on an aircraft carrier hundreds or thousands of times before he was shot down. If you don't think that a guy who has performed hundreds of aircraft carrier (including night landings and pitching deck ops) landings and who also had survived penetrating the most advanced anti-aircraft defenses in the world (around Hanoi) multiple times while flying a functionally obsolete aircraft (the A4) was in the top 1% of all pilots ever, then you need to acquire more aviation knowledge.

    So what? Among his peers he was bottom 1%. worse, even.

  79. Anonymous [AKA "Harry Paget Flashman"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    Here’s where you are wrong. The bombs that detonated, were from his aircraft. McCain fled from the scene of the fuel fire that had started under his aircraft to a safe briefing room at the other end of the ship as 100s of men converged toward the fire to put out the blaze. McCain ran from danger when he should have got out the cockpit and fought the fire under his rig and should have attempted to roll his 1000 bombs away from the fuel fire.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Am I tripping on Poe's law here?
    >McCain is responsible for his weapons cooking off in a fire he didn't start.
    I hate McCain but this is preposterous.
    >he should have moved the bombs and fought the fire under his rig.
    This is sarcasm, right?
  80. @MarkinLA
    You usually can't get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.

    A Marine Corps pilot crashed aboard Nimitz in 1981, killing 11, Bad night at Black Rock. It was the first Marine Corps squadron aboard Nimitz that I ever remember dating back to my time in 1976. Dropped his MVAQ Queer A-6 four-seater right on top of a trio of armed and fueled F-14s, a stunt worthy of a McCain. The pilot was determined to be distracted over a divorce/remarriage situation. Marines don’t do well in Naval Aviation, I wouldn’t want to be around that shit.

    • Replies: @Corn
    “Marines don’t do well in Naval Aviation,”

    Why not? Bad training standards? Too gung-ho, more confidence than ability?

    And speaking of bloated defense budgets, why do we need Marine fighter squadrons? Especially on carriers? Marines were historically naval infantry, shouldn’t we have more Naval aviation instead of letting the Marines boast about their own air arm?
    , @Joe Stalin
    Coolest A-6 Intruder story told to me by the brother of the pilot. Guy couldn't get the landing gear down on one side when trying to land; so he did it on one gear. As the plane touched down, he revved up one of the engines and the torque lifted the wing up and he ended up damaging the navigation lamp assembly at the end of the wing.
  81. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    The 17th Amendment, ratified by the States in 1913, another “progressive” triumph.

  82. @JimB
    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.

    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.

    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time. They’re desperate for women, for Blacks, for Hispanics, queers, trannies, whatever freak show you want to name to be pilots, in order to have same in these fields. Crashes and death have resulted.

    The meritocracy is way dead. These days, McCain would likely, being at the bottom of White guys’ quals, lost his spot to a woman, Black or Hispanic (none of which I ever say fly in Naval Air) of even lesser aptitude and ability. Because: Diversity.

    • Replies: @JimB

    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time.
     
    I found a picture of the 2017 Thunderbirds flight team: all white males.

    https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2017/07/youngest-private-pilot-flies-with.html?m=1

    In earlier teams, I saw maybe one black male, and he was outstanding. My guess is that any marginal diversity hires by the USAF get dumped into support roles.
  83. @MarkinLA
    You usually can't get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.

    That may have resulted in a McCain Mutiny.

    • LOL: Dr. Krieger
  84. Lindsay provided one of the saddest moments I’ve witnessed in politics when during a primary debate at he mentioned how lonely he was coming home after work. I actually felt bad for him.

  85. @Mr. Blank
    OT: Florida Democrats appear to be doing their part to help the Sailer Strategy, by nominating a left-wing anti-gun black guy who wants to raise taxes to be their standard-bearer in the governor's race in November:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-democrat-governor-nominee-20180828-story.html

    For those outside of Florida, this guy is generally regarded as the least electable of all the candidates the Democrats had put up. The guy who won the Republican primary was backed by Trump and spent the entire campaign boasting of how 100 percent on board the Trump train. So this is basically a test run for both parties' emerging White House strategies for 2020.

    This race could offer an interesting glimpse into America's future, not just for 2020, but beyond.

    Florida Republicans still have to get out and vote in November.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Florida Republicans still have to get out and vote in November.
     
    We'll be there!

    Walking a mile down the beach on a balmy sunny morning to vote for Trump was one of my highlights of 2016.
  86. @J.Ross
    OT Coalition of the Fringes and Imputed Racism by Presupposed Telepathy
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1034600638158594048

    Wow. This is why Trump is right to call the media, and CNN especially, the enemy of the people. These are aggressively dishonest people. Evil, evil propagandists who completely abuse freedom of the press.

  87. @J.Ross
    OT Coalition of the Fringes and Imputed Racism by Presupposed Telepathy
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1034600638158594048

    I stopped at “CNN analyst”.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Yes, "CNN Analyst" usually involves mind-reading.
  88. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    I see what you did there.

    My only question is this: why did McCain fabricate his story about the tragedy?

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
     
    Because the tale cannot be repeated enough to suffciently emphasise what a scumbag the guy was. We should organise a veterans' gathering to piss on his grave en masse.

    Ironically, his acumen and perseverance in another kind of damage control – of the cowardly, verbal sort – remained nonpareil all his days.
  89. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    I get the feeling Graham’s pathway to winning a Senate seat is made easier by crowded primary fields that his sponsors likely pay for. I can’t prove this, but to certain important countries, he’s paid for/compromised, and is therefore too important to lose.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I've thought this too. Primary turnouts are low, so the campaigns would be easy to rig by legal means. The general election for a Republican in a mostly rural Southern state is a layup after that.

    Congressional elections have the same dynamic, with blinkered judges enforcing the Voting Rights Act and the legislature happily complying to draw majority-minority districts surrounded by safe, lily-white districts for Republicans. The totally unwarranted fusing of the party primary process with the State electoral process retards any change. The end result of course is intellectual lightweights populating these supposed august legislative bodies.

  90. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1034520745618096128

    I can only dream about Trump being POTUS long enough to remake the US 9th!

  91. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    Mostly true, the question of how his bombs dropped still remains a pretty open one.

    This truthdig piece on the entire affair and what McCain did before, during and after is quite reasonable and asks the questions I would ask.

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/

    McCain’s description of his own career (as recalled by one of his peers/friends) is quite apt.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Very interesting piece on McCain's war record, and it seems balanced.
  92. @Brutusale
    I stopped at "CNN analyst".

    Yes, “CNN Analyst” usually involves mind-reading.

  93. Madam Graham is like a meme machine. “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

    Translation: “Don’t ever quit losing”

  94. Driving to work yesterday morning I passed one of those electronic billboards flashing “John Sidney McCain III 2036-2018 – Thank you for your service.” I almost puked. It may have been paid for by a leftist engaging in a little black propaganda, but more likely it was some conservative/Republican square-head who actually believes that “muh military service” counterbalances decades of treason. McCain didn’t teach conservatives how to lose, conservatives and Republicans are losers and cowards from top to bottom. Those at the top are crooks as well. (The very fact that McCain won the Bob Dole Nomination Trophy in the first place pretty much proves it.) Over-the-top reverence for the military is where conservatives go to hide from conflict and defeat back home.

    No tribute to McCain can be complete without this 30 second expose of this lying sociopath’s life:

    Weeks later he was in D.C. shilling for amnesty. Note his clothes – he looks like some sort of backwoods bumpkin. A costume that oozes justified contempt for the rubes he is conning. They lap it all up because . . .muh military!

  95. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn’t his fault.

    Of course Steve, and Teddy Kennedy wasn’t guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide. Obviously the fact that McStain’s daddy was an Admiral and Kennedy’s family were Kennedys had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with that investigative outcome…

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Speaking of Ted Kennedy, the fixers (McNamara, Sorensen, Goodwin, etc) who came to Hyannis Port were especially worried about a Manslaughter-Negligent Homicide indictment.

    Teddy and his henchmen had such power in Massachusetts they could kill any chance of manslaughter charges. Most of this political muscle flexing took place after his televised ghosted Mea Culpa. The recent movie gave only a hint of this.
  96. @DCThrowback
    I get the feeling Graham's pathway to winning a Senate seat is made easier by crowded primary fields that his sponsors likely pay for. I can't prove this, but to certain important countries, he's paid for/compromised, and is therefore too important to lose.

    I’ve thought this too. Primary turnouts are low, so the campaigns would be easy to rig by legal means. The general election for a Republican in a mostly rural Southern state is a layup after that.

    Congressional elections have the same dynamic, with blinkered judges enforcing the Voting Rights Act and the legislature happily complying to draw majority-minority districts surrounded by safe, lily-white districts for Republicans. The totally unwarranted fusing of the party primary process with the State electoral process retards any change. The end result of course is intellectual lightweights populating these supposed august legislative bodies.

  97. @anonymous
    I’m imagine President Trump will shoot down any notion of appointing a McCain.

    PDJT has nothing to do with it. It is the Arizona governor’s choice. Don’t t believe it even needs state legislature approval.

  98. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Key passage from McCain’s oddly upbeat concession speech after losing to Obama, which Trump later ripped off by changing a few words:

    We’re going to lose. We’re going to lose so much. We’re going to lose at trade, we’re going to lose at the border. We’re going to lose so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of losing, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t lose anymore.’

    You’ve heard this one—you’ll say ‘Please, Mr. Senator, we beg you sir, we don’t want to lose anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to lose to everybody else.’ And I’m going to say “I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep losing, losing, losing, We’re going to make America grate again.”
     

    So true it’s sad.

  99. @Lot
    You're on fire today, but getting district judges in mostly very red states with a GOP senate isn't big news. Trump isn't doing badly overall on judges, but you know we are winning when he fills up DC, 2nd and 9th Circuits. His one attempt at getting a conservative onto the 9th Cir so far failed.

    Holding serve in this environment is not nothing.

  100. @Brutusale
    I see what you did there.

    My only question is this: why did McCain fabricate his story about the tragedy?

    Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.

    Because the tale cannot be repeated enough to suffciently emphasise what a scumbag the guy was. We should organise a veterans’ gathering to piss on his grave en masse.

    Ironically, his acumen and perseverance in another kind of damage control – of the cowardly, verbal sort – remained nonpareil all his days.

    • Replies: @George
    Trump hires Russian whores to piss on McCain’s grave — report
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/08/26/trump-mccain/
  101. John taught us how to lose.

    By analogy, being a politician who relishes losing is like being a homosexual who relishes receiving. Thanks Senator Graham.

  102. Let’s salute Bonnie Johnny McCain!
    Taught us just how to lose a good plane,
    Shipmates? 134,
    And the Vietnam War.
    And his honor. (But let’s not complain.)

  103. Lindsey Graham says the United States is just an “idea.”

    I asked Lindsey Graham about his views of American national identity at a presidential primary town hall in 2015.

    Tweet from 2015:

    Dave Weigel in 2015:

    As the heat rises—literally—Graham scouts for hostile questions. Charles Pewitt, a town-hall regular who wants to grill the next president about immigration, butts into a Graham explanation of why reform wouldn’t depress wages. When Graham finishes that answer, he points right at Pewitt, who asks a wordy question about whether Graham thinks America is a coherent nation or some polyglot theory.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-03-10/in-new-hampshire-lindsey-graham-retools-the-straight-talk-express

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Lindsey Graham says the United States is just an “idea.”

    ... and Lindsey Graham likely got this idea from a crypto-Trotskyite, aka a neocon. If America is just an idea, and that idea is itself a recent alien import, what does that make America?
    , @RVBlake
    It is squirm-inducing the way Graham and his ilk effortlessly segue from the propositional nation to spreading that proposition to other nations, usually via the US military.
  104. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1034520745618096128

    [winning bigly intensifies]

    Checks self….nope, still not tired of winning…

    [gets popcorn]

  105. I liked Rush Limbaugh’s assessment of McCain’s presidential run: “His entire campaign was a concession speech.”

    OT, but it seems very coincidental that the first google news headline compilation (in 6 or 7 months) that doesn’t contain tons of anti-Trump op-ed and analysis pieces comes a day or two after Trump called them out for featuring just such articles. Of course, that could change in a few days or hours, but as of now, it’s (as I said) very “coincidental”. In fact, they even have a story about someone at a school in a MAGA hat getting attacked:

    https://news.google.com/?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I saw the high school story yesterday. The little dumpling of a perp looks exactly like you'd imagine.

    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/video/3924824-student-who-took-classmates-maga-hat-says-she-was-making-political-statement/

    Lefty women call for a corollary to Sailer's Law.
  106. @DCThrowback
    Mostly true, the question of how his bombs dropped still remains a pretty open one.

    This truthdig piece on the entire affair and what McCain did before, during and after is quite reasonable and asks the questions I would ask.

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/

    McCain's description of his own career (as recalled by one of his peers/friends) is quite apt.

    Very interesting piece on McCain’s war record, and it seems balanced.

  107. @Steve in Greensboro
    What is Lindsay Graham going to do now that he doesn’t have McCain to instruct him on how best to betray the American people? Might he actually do something constructive for once?

    Maybe he’ll resign from the Senate. Would Sesame Street let Ernie go on without Bert?

  108. @Lot
    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million "in the private sector" after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP's midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP's loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    You mean the seven out of eight that have gone Trump’s way?

    Keep on huffing that paint, Lot.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Don't quarrel with me, the consensus of people betting money in an efficient market is what it is.
    , @anonymous
    An Eeyore's gotta be eeyoring. They jess can't help it.
  109. @Boethiuss

    “John taught us how to lose. … .”
     
    Yeah yeah yeah. This is alt-right political fantasy bullshit. It wasn't Lindsey Graham who was propping up Roy Moore in Alabama, Weekend-at-Bernie's style.

    Btw, Chuck Schumer is making a little move to rename the Richard Russell Senate Office Building after John McCain. I don't expect this to go anywhere but I could just imagine that if that does happen, at least 20% of the crank commentariat here will it out on their Republican ballot (or lack of it) this November.

    No, it was McConnell lighting a pile of money on fire to torpedo Mo Brooks in favor of Luther Strange and then running from Moore based off insane allegations.

  110. @Lot
    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the "under" on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    You can say that doesn't matter, but it mattered to me. Like Silver I also thought Trump would most likely lose, but keep it much closer than expected. I bet that way, and won about a thousand in prediction markets betting roughly even money Trump would win NC, GA, and UT.

    Here my questions are whether the conventional wisdom of a slim Dem majority understates values the chance of a GOP majority and/or a Dem blowout.

    “It matters to me because using triple bankshot logic I was right in spite of being wrong.”

    Do you even listen to yourself?

    • Replies: @Lot
    I wasn't wrong. "Trump will probably lose" and Trump winning are not inconsistent.

    Trump himself thought he'd probably lose on election night. Silver saying he had a 30% shot despite a consistent Hillary poll advantage* and with Sam Wang's and others competing models saying he had 1 or 2% chance is a vindication of his model.


    (*The polls were not too far off. She did win the popular vote by about 3, not far from what the polls predicted. Silver, correctly, defended his model bwfore the election, noting there was a substantial chance of a small bias in the polls plus Trump barely winning MI and PA.)
  111. @J.Ross
    Yer gon be real sorry when Guam flips over.

    That’s absolutely brilliant.

    The Guam flipping over guy is in the House because YKW needed to get rid of Cynthia McKinney, and the actually retarded Hank Johnson was their solution. They tried Denise Majette first, but she was smart and could speak English so Cynthia eventually was able to fight her off. Parallels to Lindsay Graham are obvious.

  112. @Lot
    538 says 74% chance the GOP will lose the house. Ryan has been a disaster. He pushes and passes only the least popular GOP positions: tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for the polluters, combining this with the least popular aspect of the left: open borders and mass amnesty. Watch Amnesty Paul go make $50 million "in the private sector" after doing the bidding of billionaires his whole career.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

    I think the very plausible scenario where the GOP barely holds on will be similar to what got Trump elected: Dems win a huge popular vote margin, but the GOP's midwestern gerrymanders hold steady (with a lot of close calls) and the GOP's loss of about 20 seats is mostly limited to the remaining suburban blue state Republicans in the House.

    538 may also be underestimating a Dem blowout. It says there is only a 20% chance of a 55+ seat gain.

    However, if you look at how well Dems have done in special elections, as well as comparing primary turnout by party versus 2014 and 2016, many signs point to disaster.

    Let’s see how 538 does this time ; ) They have proved they are good at predicting outcomes when Democrats do well. The other way, not so much.

    I find the RCP analysis interesting: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html

    They show likely+lean 199 Democrats and 193 Republicans. But of the tossups 41 are currently R with only 2 D. That seems like a big swing.

    In 2016 they predicted 190/20/225 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/house/2016_elections_house_map.html
    Of the tossups 3 were currently Democrat.
    Result was 194/241: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2016
    So the apparent (I did not look at individual districts) tossup result (D/R 4/16) was much closer to what current seat status would have predicted (3/17) than an even split.

    In 2014 (perhaps a better comparison as a midterm) they predicted 179/30/226 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/house/2014_elections_house_map.html
    with the tossups being currently 10/20 D/R.
    Result was 188/247. So again the apparent tossup split (9/21) was closer to current party (10/20) than to an even split.

    So my take is that for the last two elections RCP was overly optimistic for the House Democrats and the result was better predicted by simply looking at the current parties of the tossup districts and predicting based on that. That would predict a 201/234 D/R split. Let’s see how that simplistic analysis does against the electoral geniuses at 538. That is far out on their right tail. For my WAG how about splitting the difference with 538’s median prediction of 227/208 giving 214/221 for a small R majority?

    It would be interesting to analyze the RCP performance by each category of prediction (likely/lean by party and tossup) to learn more (e.g. what was accuracy in each category). But doing that would take much more effort. Of course, it is well within the capabilities of 538 or RCP and is the kind of post mortem I think a good analyst would do.

    RCP also has predictions for 2012 and 2010 if anyone wants to extend this analysis. The 2008 format is a bit different: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/house/battle_for_the_house_of_representatives.html
    This is all I see for 2006: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/latestpolls/
    And essentially nothing for the 2004 house race by district AFAICT.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Looking at 2014's outcome isn't informative on the main question: will this be a wave election?

    Primary turnout I think is a good indication. Yesterday in FL Dem share of two party vote went up 1.5 to the highest in any recent primary, but still not pointing at a wave. But in Arizona it went up much more. This guy is tracking AZ, which due to mail voting is slow to fully post.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Garrett_Archer

    So it certainly looks like a possible Dem wave in that state but not FL. A regional wave limited to the NE and West, but not the south and midwest, suggests a small Dem House majority.
  113. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Completely OT: About that study that Steve linked to in his post last week (“Is transgendered the new anorexia?”) regarding “Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria”. Well guess what? Brown University has pulled Ms. Littman’s study.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/35102/university-erases-link-study-asked-if-teens-hank-berrien

    https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender

    Isolated demands for rigor are a real thing. That seems to be the technique of choice in the Current Year for dealing with inconvenient studies.

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/

  114. Dudes, I had always thought being a democrat was hard (not that I am into any of this bullshit).

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Have the decency to not criticize the man the week he died. Next week we can talk about Benghazi and the Keating Five.
  115. @Lot
    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the "under" on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    You can say that doesn't matter, but it mattered to me. Like Silver I also thought Trump would most likely lose, but keep it much closer than expected. I bet that way, and won about a thousand in prediction markets betting roughly even money Trump would win NC, GA, and UT.

    Here my questions are whether the conventional wisdom of a slim Dem majority understates values the chance of a GOP majority and/or a Dem blowout.

    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the “under” on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.

    How do you feel about the way his prediction changed close to the election? It seemed to me that he tried to split the difference between what he wanted to happen and reality.

    • Replies: @Lot
    He actually had theee different models, and did everything with reasonable transparency. The three models ended up not being much different.
  116. But genocide! <- the battle cry of Pax Americanawitz

    But racism! <- the surrender cry of the Washington General GOP

  117. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

    What is McCain’s legacy, by the way? The thing I’ve seen shared most on Twitter is the video of him telling the woman that Obama wasn’t “an Arab”. The only legislative accomplishment of his that comes to mind is the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, but I think parts of it were overturned by the Supreme Court, and the rest had unintended consequences.

    BTW, I saw someone say on Twitter that a nonwhite person should be appointed to McCain’s seat, and someone else (Geraldo?) say his daughter Meghan should get it. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

    BTW, I saw someone say on Twitter that a nonwhite person should be appointed to McCain’s seat, and someone else (Geraldo?) say his daughter Meghan should get it. Why not compromise and give it to his adopted Bangladeshi daughter?

    If it were up to me I’d give it to McCain’s captor and torturer.

  118. https://start.att.net/news/read/article/afp-burning_in_hell_russian_press_sheds_few_tears_for-afp/category/news

    The Russians have delivered a eulogy. The best line:

    If you haven’t been killed yet, that’s not McCain’s fault. He tried,” wrote pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda in a biting editorial.

    • LOL: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Marxist-Leninists are known for their dry wit. I looked it up and that's the newspaper of the Russian Communist Party's youth wing. I guess that makes it a newspaper aligned with His Majesty's loyal Opposition.
  119. @Jim Christian
    Cee-Gar to Mr. Sailer. I was a flight deck rat in the late-70s-82. We spent mucho time on the Forrestal disaster. Stray voltage on an armed plane being worked on across the deck set off a missile, which hit a plane next to McCain, which started the first fire on the port side amidships. From there the bombs and missiles hanging from planes started cooking off. Big fun, bombs getting hot. It gets ugly fast. But to be fair, McCain's involvement in that was that he got a preview of his eternity, that is, he almost BBQd his ass. He crawled out of his A-4, rolled down into a net and then a catwalk to get away to survive to wreck many aspects of life in the USA. This included, but was not limited to, illegal immigration, banking corruptions, not to mention wrecking more planes, collecting the benefits of his false valor, his unearned disability benefits, he cost us all a lot. Incalculable damage to this country, all caused by McCain, not to mention his attempts to participate in corruption of our election processes. McCain is like the character in MASH, Iron Guts Kelly, who died banging Hot Lips, but his death staged in battle later. They invented his valor for his Admiral father. A real creep, he did many shitty things, but this one thing with the fire in the Navy, not that. He surely made a deal with the devil. Thankfully, Lucifer finally collected.

    That lump in his neck/jaw? When I passed through Bethesda NNMC twenty years back, I had a Corpsman 1st Class tell me McCain also passed through there for a surgery related to his use of chaw, tobacco, snuff, whatever you wish to refer to it as. That lump isn't in the pix with him on his crutches with Nixon, it came later, yet they always blamed his 'beatings'. From pilots to flight deck rats, chaw was all over the joint. Me, I just stuck to joints.

    Congrats.

    We have something in common, Bro.

    I was in Hershey the night Wilt scored 100 pts.

  120. @Anon
    Worthless:

    The institutional Right, however, spends an inordinate amount of time self-policing. That’s a good thing. This isn’t a call to silence people. - Ben Shapiro
     
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/conservatives-oust-bigotry-left-only-criticizes-them-for-it/

    Now you see, in Ben's ethno-religious homeland, his people will remain the demographic supermajority. That is perfectly OK, but well for us, we must be self-policed.

    How about self-determination instead???

    It is amazing how that little POS had to slink away from sight once the Michael Fields hoax was exposed. He even had to leave a gig on the local right wing talk radio station, although he claimed it was voluntary. This really is an example of Jewish money and influence that this turd can come back like nothing happened and resume his punditry, pretending to talk for the right.

  121. @Jim Christian
    A Marine Corps pilot crashed aboard Nimitz in 1981, killing 11, Bad night at Black Rock. It was the first Marine Corps squadron aboard Nimitz that I ever remember dating back to my time in 1976. Dropped his MVAQ Queer A-6 four-seater right on top of a trio of armed and fueled F-14s, a stunt worthy of a McCain. The pilot was determined to be distracted over a divorce/remarriage situation. Marines don't do well in Naval Aviation, I wouldn't want to be around that shit.

    “Marines don’t do well in Naval Aviation,”

    Why not? Bad training standards? Too gung-ho, more confidence than ability?

    And speaking of bloated defense budgets, why do we need Marine fighter squadrons? Especially on carriers? Marines were historically naval infantry, shouldn’t we have more Naval aviation instead of letting the Marines boast about their own air arm?

  122. @Stan d Mute

    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn’t his fault.
     
    Of course Steve, and Teddy Kennedy wasn’t guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide. Obviously the fact that McStain’s daddy was an Admiral and Kennedy’s family were Kennedys had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with that investigative outcome...

    Speaking of Ted Kennedy, the fixers (McNamara, Sorensen, Goodwin, etc) who came to Hyannis Port were especially worried about a Manslaughter-Negligent Homicide indictment.

    Teddy and his henchmen had such power in Massachusetts they could kill any chance of manslaughter charges. Most of this political muscle flexing took place after his televised ghosted Mea Culpa. The recent movie gave only a hint of this.

  123. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Let’s see. If you want to select for high intelligence you normally just give a written test. Something like the WAIS or the SAT. The Chinese have done something like that since the Sung Dynasty. Or you could look at how far they got in school or how many papers they had published. None of these is perfect but they all try to gauge smarts in one way or another.

    But politicians are not selected by a process that has much to do with IQ. The ability to endure endless campaigning is more important. If I remember correctly Coolidge never left his front porch during one of his later campaigns. But today’s political consultants recommend more activity. The whole Trump victory is usually attributed to Hillary’s failure to visit some undecided states. She sat on the porch.

    Lindsey Graham seems to be energetic. He’s on TV all the time. He never says much of importance but he somehow got his face before the public. That seems to be enough.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    https://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/the-view-from-the-front-porch-william-mckinley-and-the-campaign-of-1896/
    It was actually McKinley that had a famous "front porch campaign" (and there were earlier, less celebrated precedents). This was in the Gilded Age, when a front porch was an affair that could reasonably contain a modern press conference; it wasn't a stoop. McKinley accommodated many visits with large numbers of guests at his front porch and lawn. He opted for this because the opponent was the barn-burning crowd exciter William Jennings Bryan, whom McKinley did not feel capable of out-speechifying:
    "I might just as well put up a trapeze on my front lawn and compete with some professional athlete as go out speaking against Bryan."
    But the point is sound. Coolidge went in for the crazy hats thing during the campaign then famously got quiet once in office. He didn't really do anything that would now be taken for granted in campaigning. Maybe he'd have liked MAGA hats.
    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/1927calvin-coolidge-named-chief-leading-eagle-by-the-sioux-1927-bpa2-picture-id515180702
  124. @Truth
    Dudes, I had always thought being a democrat was hard (not that I am into any of this bullshit).

    https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1034521822463750145

    Have the decency to not criticize the man the week he died. Next week we can talk about Benghazi and the Keating Five.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @ 124 Pat Boyle: "Have the decency to not criticize the man the week he died. Next week we can talk about Benghazi and the Keating Five."

    The only thing we owe the dead is truth. Is there now an automatic delay on inconvenient facts? I despise Trufy, but "truth" is what it is, and John McCain was a pos.

  125. @MarkinLA
    https://start.att.net/news/read/article/afp-burning_in_hell_russian_press_sheds_few_tears_for-afp/category/news

    The Russians have delivered a eulogy. The best line:

    If you haven't been killed yet, that's not McCain's fault. He tried," wrote pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda in a biting editorial.

    Marxist-Leninists are known for their dry wit. I looked it up and that’s the newspaper of the Russian Communist Party’s youth wing. I guess that makes it a newspaper aligned with His Majesty’s loyal Opposition.

  126. @Charles Pewitt
    Lindsey Graham says the United States is just an "idea."

    I asked Lindsey Graham about his views of American national identity at a presidential primary town hall in 2015.

    https://youtu.be/MRrG4dbYmGk

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/653307329144844288

    Dave Weigel in 2015:

    As the heat rises—literally—Graham scouts for hostile questions. Charles Pewitt, a town-hall regular who wants to grill the next president about immigration, butts into a Graham explanation of why reform wouldn’t depress wages. When Graham finishes that answer, he points right at Pewitt, who asks a wordy question about whether Graham thinks America is a coherent nation or some polyglot theory.

     

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-03-10/in-new-hampshire-lindsey-graham-retools-the-straight-talk-express

    Lindsey Graham says the United States is just an “idea.”

    … and Lindsey Graham likely got this idea from a crypto-Trotskyite, aka a neocon. If America is just an idea, and that idea is itself a recent alien import, what does that make America?

  127. @res

    Silver was more bullish on Trump than all the other modelers. In other words, he would have taken the “under” on a Hillary EV vote even money bet, and he was statistically correct.
     
    How do you feel about the way his prediction changed close to the election? It seemed to me that he tried to split the difference between what he wanted to happen and reality.

    He actually had theee different models, and did everything with reasonable transparency. The three models ended up not being much different.

  128. @Jack Hanson
    "It matters to me because using triple bankshot logic I was right in spite of being wrong."

    Do you even listen to yourself?

    I wasn’t wrong. “Trump will probably lose” and Trump winning are not inconsistent.

    Trump himself thought he’d probably lose on election night. Silver saying he had a 30% shot despite a consistent Hillary poll advantage* and with Sam Wang’s and others competing models saying he had 1 or 2% chance is a vindication of his model.

    (*The polls were not too far off. She did win the popular vote by about 3, not far from what the polls predicted. Silver, correctly, defended his model bwfore the election, noting there was a substantial chance of a small bias in the polls plus Trump barely winning MI and PA.)

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yeah yeah, don't quarrel with your numbers you're pulling from your ass. We're doomed but Trump 31-2 in endorsements so far.

    Looking forward to seeing if I can bullycide you hard enough to make you quit iSteve forever again.
  129. … and Lindsey Graham likely got this idea from a crypto-Trotskyite, aka a neocon. If America is just an idea, and that idea is itself a recent alien import, what does that make America?

    If the United States is just an “idea,” then the next question is: Whose idea is it?

    Lindsey Graham and his Neo-Conservative pals are enemies of the American people.

  130. @Jack Hanson
    You mean the seven out of eight that have gone Trump's way?

    Keep on huffing that paint, Lot.

    Don’t quarrel with me, the consensus of people betting money in an efficient market is what it is.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Don’t quarrel with me, the consensus of people betting money in an efficient market is what it is.
     
    You think 538 is an efficient market? You must be thinking about PredictIt! or something. Pay attention, otherwise you look like AndrewR.
  131. @res
    Let's see how 538 does this time ; ) They have proved they are good at predicting outcomes when Democrats do well. The other way, not so much.

    I find the RCP analysis interesting: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html

    They show likely+lean 199 Democrats and 193 Republicans. But of the tossups 41 are currently R with only 2 D. That seems like a big swing.

    In 2016 they predicted 190/20/225 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/house/2016_elections_house_map.html
    Of the tossups 3 were currently Democrat.
    Result was 194/241: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2016
    So the apparent (I did not look at individual districts) tossup result (D/R 4/16) was much closer to what current seat status would have predicted (3/17) than an even split.

    In 2014 (perhaps a better comparison as a midterm) they predicted 179/30/226 D/Tossup/R: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/house/2014_elections_house_map.html
    with the tossups being currently 10/20 D/R.
    Result was 188/247. So again the apparent tossup split (9/21) was closer to current party (10/20) than to an even split.

    So my take is that for the last two elections RCP was overly optimistic for the House Democrats and the result was better predicted by simply looking at the current parties of the tossup districts and predicting based on that. That would predict a 201/234 D/R split. Let's see how that simplistic analysis does against the electoral geniuses at 538. That is far out on their right tail. For my WAG how about splitting the difference with 538's median prediction of 227/208 giving 214/221 for a small R majority?

    It would be interesting to analyze the RCP performance by each category of prediction (likely/lean by party and tossup) to learn more (e.g. what was accuracy in each category). But doing that would take much more effort. Of course, it is well within the capabilities of 538 or RCP and is the kind of post mortem I think a good analyst would do.

    RCP also has predictions for 2012 and 2010 if anyone wants to extend this analysis. The 2008 format is a bit different: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/house/battle_for_the_house_of_representatives.html
    This is all I see for 2006: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/latestpolls/
    And essentially nothing for the 2004 house race by district AFAICT.

    Looking at 2014’s outcome isn’t informative on the main question: will this be a wave election?

    Primary turnout I think is a good indication. Yesterday in FL Dem share of two party vote went up 1.5 to the highest in any recent primary, but still not pointing at a wave. But in Arizona it went up much more. This guy is tracking AZ, which due to mail voting is slow to fully post.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Garrett_Archer

    So it certainly looks like a possible Dem wave in that state but not FL. A regional wave limited to the NE and West, but not the south and midwest, suggests a small Dem House majority.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    As Pat Buchanan said "when the economy is bad, the economy is the issue, when the economy is good brother things are the issue". HOW ABOUT IDENTITY AND INCUMBANCY?
  132. @Jim Christian

    Someone like McCain certainly wouldn’t be admitted to Air Force flight school today. Not when the planes cost $120 million a pop.
     
    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time. They're desperate for women, for Blacks, for Hispanics, queers, trannies, whatever freak show you want to name to be pilots, in order to have same in these fields. Crashes and death have resulted.

    The meritocracy is way dead. These days, McCain would likely, being at the bottom of White guys' quals, lost his spot to a woman, Black or Hispanic (none of which I ever say fly in Naval Air) of even lesser aptitude and ability. Because: Diversity.

    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time.

    I found a picture of the 2017 Thunderbirds flight team: all white males.

    https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2017/07/youngest-private-pilot-flies-with.html?m=1

    In earlier teams, I saw maybe one black male, and he was outstanding. My guess is that any marginal diversity hires by the USAF get dumped into support roles.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    In earlier teams, I saw maybe one black male, and he was outstanding. My guess is that any marginal diversity hires by the USAF get dumped into support roles.
     
    Pilotry, so to speak, is still largely merit. Back in the 70s, I remember a few Blacks on deck crews and I drew a couple of Blacks for a LOX crew I supervised for a year, but our mechanics and pilots and aircrews were all White. They just didn't pay attention to race. Even in maintenance capacities, Black or White, they were good or they weren't up on the roof. Air Bosses, they could tell looking down who belonged and they made the appropriate adjustments. They knew when a tourist was sightseeing and chased em out, too. Like working in the air or riding a motorcycle, ya can't do this stuff scared. If you own a sense of mortality, you're doomed.
  133. @Jim Christian
    A Marine Corps pilot crashed aboard Nimitz in 1981, killing 11, Bad night at Black Rock. It was the first Marine Corps squadron aboard Nimitz that I ever remember dating back to my time in 1976. Dropped his MVAQ Queer A-6 four-seater right on top of a trio of armed and fueled F-14s, a stunt worthy of a McCain. The pilot was determined to be distracted over a divorce/remarriage situation. Marines don't do well in Naval Aviation, I wouldn't want to be around that shit.

    Coolest A-6 Intruder story told to me by the brother of the pilot. Guy couldn’t get the landing gear down on one side when trying to land; so he did it on one gear. As the plane touched down, he revved up one of the engines and the torque lifted the wing up and he ended up damaging the navigation lamp assembly at the end of the wing.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    That was a cheapie-crunch. That sort of stuff happened a lot when planes towing in the night touched hands, except at sea it was usually at the wing-folds damaging hydraulics and fuel system stuff.

    I was a seat guy, an AME. My gig was life-support (they trusted me, don't ask why), that is, LOX, seats, cabin air and electronics cooling. Best story I saw that didn't involve someone croaking was a partial ejection of a right-seater in an A6. The stories are all over, but there's a photo. The seat inadvertently ejected, only that catapult fired, not the motor under the seat.; https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/KA-6D.png

    The seat inadvertently ejected, only the catapult fired, but for some reason not the motor under the seat which is a tubed rocket motor. Once a seat has traveled up the track a certain number of inches, perhaps a couple of feet IIRC, a lanyard tightens and pulls a pin from a firing head. Didn't happen in this case. Had this been an actual loss-of-aircraft accident with an ejection, I suppose the right-seater would have gone down with the plane, he wouldn't have gotten away. With a healthy seat, he presumably would have drawn a chute and splashed safely. These days the seats all have vectored thrust slaved to gyros so they get to going up quickly even when pointed down at ejection. They reach some pretty steep ejection envelopes these days. Big fun! Coolest shit I ever worked on, except those planes, ugly purpose.

    Ah well, enough already.
  134. @Jack Hanson
    You mean the seven out of eight that have gone Trump's way?

    Keep on huffing that paint, Lot.

    An Eeyore’s gotta be eeyoring. They jess can’t help it.

  135. There’s a big difference between knowing how to deal with a particular loss, and learning to BE a chronic loser. Light-Loafered Lisping Lindsey wants to be on the roster of the Washington Generals, and get his arse kicked every time out.

  136. @Charles Pewitt
    Lindsey Graham says the United States is just an "idea."

    I asked Lindsey Graham about his views of American national identity at a presidential primary town hall in 2015.

    https://youtu.be/MRrG4dbYmGk

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/653307329144844288

    Dave Weigel in 2015:

    As the heat rises—literally—Graham scouts for hostile questions. Charles Pewitt, a town-hall regular who wants to grill the next president about immigration, butts into a Graham explanation of why reform wouldn’t depress wages. When Graham finishes that answer, he points right at Pewitt, who asks a wordy question about whether Graham thinks America is a coherent nation or some polyglot theory.

     

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-03-10/in-new-hampshire-lindsey-graham-retools-the-straight-talk-express

    It is squirm-inducing the way Graham and his ilk effortlessly segue from the propositional nation to spreading that proposition to other nations, usually via the US military.

  137. @Anonymous

    Senator Lindsey Graham remembered his friend John McCain today:

    “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

     

    Sometimes when you're a loser, quitting is winning.

    Most of us are never going to be a great NFL quarterback, a first chair violinist with the New York Philharmonic, or a Ph.D theoretical physicist. So for 99% of the population, getting a wild hair to do one of those things is to set yourself up for certain failure.

    John McCain wanted to be a war hero and a great leader. But he did not have the perquisites, "the essentials" to do these things honestly, so he made himself vulnerable to being used as a tool by wicked interests who offered him a Faustian bargain: he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.

    He sold his soul. He sold it cheap, as usually happens.

    If he had simply walked away to private life none of us would care that he did the crummy things he did in his private life. But he didn't: he served evil causes, and we rightly curse him today.

    I'm happy John McCain is no longer in the United States Senate.

    @10 Anonymous [427]: “John McCain wanted to be a war hero and a great leader. But he did not have the perquisites, “the essentials” to do these things honestly, so he made himself vulnerable to being used as a tool by wicked interests who offered him a Faustian bargain: he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.”

    Gold-box comment.
    Well said.

  138. @Jim Christian
    Cee-Gar to Mr. Sailer. I was a flight deck rat in the late-70s-82. We spent mucho time on the Forrestal disaster. Stray voltage on an armed plane being worked on across the deck set off a missile, which hit a plane next to McCain, which started the first fire on the port side amidships. From there the bombs and missiles hanging from planes started cooking off. Big fun, bombs getting hot. It gets ugly fast. But to be fair, McCain's involvement in that was that he got a preview of his eternity, that is, he almost BBQd his ass. He crawled out of his A-4, rolled down into a net and then a catwalk to get away to survive to wreck many aspects of life in the USA. This included, but was not limited to, illegal immigration, banking corruptions, not to mention wrecking more planes, collecting the benefits of his false valor, his unearned disability benefits, he cost us all a lot. Incalculable damage to this country, all caused by McCain, not to mention his attempts to participate in corruption of our election processes. McCain is like the character in MASH, Iron Guts Kelly, who died banging Hot Lips, but his death staged in battle later. They invented his valor for his Admiral father. A real creep, he did many shitty things, but this one thing with the fire in the Navy, not that. He surely made a deal with the devil. Thankfully, Lucifer finally collected.

    That lump in his neck/jaw? When I passed through Bethesda NNMC twenty years back, I had a Corpsman 1st Class tell me McCain also passed through there for a surgery related to his use of chaw, tobacco, snuff, whatever you wish to refer to it as. That lump isn't in the pix with him on his crutches with Nixon, it came later, yet they always blamed his 'beatings'. From pilots to flight deck rats, chaw was all over the joint. Me, I just stuck to joints.

    With all due respect, I’ll wait to make up mind on McCain’s culpability in the deadly Forrestal fire until after reading a 15,000-word American Pravda piece on it by Ron Unz.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Fair enough. But when I went through those classes, McCain was a big fat zero, they wouldn't have protected him. I believe their story and the Navy wouldn't have trained us wrong over that. It was a maintenance thing, combined with a larger issue, shitty fire fighting tactics, that is, following application of foam with flows of seawater, allowing re-flash. Plus, even after the fires were out, there were still warheads and motors cooking off from residual heat, which is what killed a couple of guys aboard Nimitz in 81.

    Bad stuff.
  139. @Pat Boyle
    Have the decency to not criticize the man the week he died. Next week we can talk about Benghazi and the Keating Five.

    @ 124 Pat Boyle: “Have the decency to not criticize the man the week he died. Next week we can talk about Benghazi and the Keating Five.”

    The only thing we owe the dead is truth. Is there now an automatic delay on inconvenient facts? I despise Trufy, but “truth” is what it is, and John McCain was a pos.

  140. @Dr. Krieger
    A few other things he taught us:

    You can crash jets in training, kill power in a Spanish town because you cut the power lines with your jet, wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier, and if your Daddy is an Admiral that covered-up the USS Liberty attack by Israel, you can be a conidered a great hero, instead of being kicked out of the Navy, so you sorry butt wouldn't have to be shot down, to get you to stop flying military jets.

    wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier

    Cool trick if McCain did that in his A4 as it’s a light attack aircraft and did not have/need an afterburner. The F4-Phantom was the air superiority fighter/interceptor of its day. And it was one of those parked across from McCain’s A4 started the fire, by an electrical surge/fault on shifting to internal power, accidentally firing a Zuni missile.

    McCain was a hothead and a not-very-bolted down screwup. (I’ve got some tendencies in that direction as well and have to keep a close eye on myself to keep ’em under control.)

    But let us condemn the man for his actual faults–being a traitor to the people of the United States, and a rude, obnoxious, pompous one at that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    (I’ve got some tendencies in that direction as well and have to keep a close eye on myself to keep ‘em under control.)
     
    Such as what, if we may ask?
  141. @Pat Boyle
    Let's see. If you want to select for high intelligence you normally just give a written test. Something like the WAIS or the SAT. The Chinese have done something like that since the Sung Dynasty. Or you could look at how far they got in school or how many papers they had published. None of these is perfect but they all try to gauge smarts in one way or another.

    But politicians are not selected by a process that has much to do with IQ. The ability to endure endless campaigning is more important. If I remember correctly Coolidge never left his front porch during one of his later campaigns. But today's political consultants recommend more activity. The whole Trump victory is usually attributed to Hillary's failure to visit some undecided states. She sat on the porch.

    Lindsey Graham seems to be energetic. He's on TV all the time. He never says much of importance but he somehow got his face before the public. That seems to be enough.

    https://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/the-view-from-the-front-porch-william-mckinley-and-the-campaign-of-1896/
    It was actually McKinley that had a famous “front porch campaign” (and there were earlier, less celebrated precedents). This was in the Gilded Age, when a front porch was an affair that could reasonably contain a modern press conference; it wasn’t a stoop. McKinley accommodated many visits with large numbers of guests at his front porch and lawn. He opted for this because the opponent was the barn-burning crowd exciter William Jennings Bryan, whom McKinley did not feel capable of out-speechifying:
    “I might just as well put up a trapeze on my front lawn and compete with some professional athlete as go out speaking against Bryan.”
    But the point is sound. Coolidge went in for the crazy hats thing during the campaign then famously got quiet once in office. He didn’t really do anything that would now be taken for granted in campaigning. Maybe he’d have liked MAGA hats.
    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/1927calvin-coolidge-named-chief-leading-eagle-by-the-sioux-1927-bpa2-picture-id515180702

  142. @Lot
    Looking at 2014's outcome isn't informative on the main question: will this be a wave election?

    Primary turnout I think is a good indication. Yesterday in FL Dem share of two party vote went up 1.5 to the highest in any recent primary, but still not pointing at a wave. But in Arizona it went up much more. This guy is tracking AZ, which due to mail voting is slow to fully post.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Garrett_Archer

    So it certainly looks like a possible Dem wave in that state but not FL. A regional wave limited to the NE and West, but not the south and midwest, suggests a small Dem House majority.

    As Pat Buchanan said “when the economy is bad, the economy is the issue, when the economy is good brother things are the issue”. HOW ABOUT IDENTITY AND INCUMBANCY?

  143. @njguy73
    I could give you ten stupid quotes from U.S. Senators from the past half-century alone which would make you shake your head in dismay even harder.

    I can give you ten stupid quotes just from my own state’s sitting Senators.

    I have the advantage of being represented by Elizabeth (Fauxcahontas) Warren and Fast Eddie (The Ice Cream Man) Markey.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    In 1988, Spy magazine named Markey one of the ten dumbest members of Congress. Others on the list included Al D'Amato and Joe Kennedy II.
  144. @J1234
    I liked Rush Limbaugh's assessment of McCain's presidential run: "His entire campaign was a concession speech."

    OT, but it seems very coincidental that the first google news headline compilation (in 6 or 7 months) that doesn't contain tons of anti-Trump op-ed and analysis pieces comes a day or two after Trump called them out for featuring just such articles. Of course, that could change in a few days or hours, but as of now, it's (as I said) very "coincidental". In fact, they even have a story about someone at a school in a MAGA hat getting attacked:

    https://news.google.com/?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

    I saw the high school story yesterday. The little dumpling of a perp looks exactly like you’d imagine.

    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/video/3924824-student-who-took-classmates-maga-hat-says-she-was-making-political-statement/

    Lefty women call for a corollary to Sailer’s Law.

  145. @Lot
    I wasn't wrong. "Trump will probably lose" and Trump winning are not inconsistent.

    Trump himself thought he'd probably lose on election night. Silver saying he had a 30% shot despite a consistent Hillary poll advantage* and with Sam Wang's and others competing models saying he had 1 or 2% chance is a vindication of his model.


    (*The polls were not too far off. She did win the popular vote by about 3, not far from what the polls predicted. Silver, correctly, defended his model bwfore the election, noting there was a substantial chance of a small bias in the polls plus Trump barely winning MI and PA.)

    Yeah yeah, don’t quarrel with your numbers you’re pulling from your ass. We’re doomed but Trump 31-2 in endorsements so far.

    Looking forward to seeing if I can bullycide you hard enough to make you quit iSteve forever again.

  146. As per Steve Sailer:

    Triple bankshot lawgic involving white people wanting to take your guns to protect their kids and totally not kulak you like everywhere else its happened in the world

    And

    The screw up son of USPACCOM totally did not start the Forrestral fire because the OFFICIAL REPORT SAID SO

    The biggest brains, the most important commentariat: iStevia dawt comma

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We are not now, nor will we be in the future, giving up our guns.

    How much have you been drinking Jack?
  147. @Steve Sailer
    McCain was a bystander on the aircraft carrier disaster. It wasn't his fault.

    The Truthdig piece that commenter DCThrowback mentioned points out some very strange details about the Forrestal disaster:

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/

    Whatever the facts surrounding the explosion and fire, it seems that McCain was accorded some unusually privileged treatment immediately afterwards.

  148. @Brutusale
    I can give you ten stupid quotes just from my own state's sitting Senators.

    I have the advantage of being represented by Elizabeth (Fauxcahontas) Warren and Fast Eddie (The Ice Cream Man) Markey.

    In 1988, Spy magazine named Markey one of the ten dumbest members of Congress. Others on the list included Al D’Amato and Joe Kennedy II.

  149. @Anonymous
    Here’s where you are wrong. The bombs that detonated, were from his aircraft. McCain fled from the scene of the fuel fire that had started under his aircraft to a safe briefing room at the other end of the ship as 100s of men converged toward the fire to put out the blaze. McCain ran from danger when he should have got out the cockpit and fought the fire under his rig and should have attempted to roll his 1000 bombs away from the fuel fire.

    Am I tripping on Poe’s law here?
    >McCain is responsible for his weapons cooking off in a fire he didn’t start.
    I hate McCain but this is preposterous.
    >he should have moved the bombs and fought the fire under his rig.
    This is sarcasm, right?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    This is sarcasm, right?
     
    It should have been sarcasm.
  150. “John taught us how to lose. … He failed a lot, but he never quit.”

    Perhaps he should have. If a guy fails that often, maybe he’s not very good at his job, and he should find some other occupation.

  151. @MarkinLA
    You usually can't get very far in the Navy as a Marine. Given the time and his disposition, I could see him getting fragged in Vietnam if not ambushed doing something impulsive and stupid. He was not a natural pilot. Most guys I know that became military pilots were already private pilots before they entered the military, they always had an interest in flying. With an Annapolis degree he probably should have been commanding a destroyer during Vietnam and moving up the naval ranks that way.

    “You usually can’t get very far in the Navy as a Marine.”

    I think you mean the Department of the Navy. No Marine would admit to being in the Navy.

  152. More importantly, Little John has now taught you and ilk how to leave, even if it is ungracefully.
    Dont need to pack a thing.

  153. @Dr. Krieger
    That's debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn't certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.

    That’s debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn’t certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.

    No, it isn’t debatable. The exhaust of the planes on the flight deck faces outboard for, guess what, safety reasons so you aren’t blasting the other planes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My best guess from what I've read is that McCain was just a bystander in the Forrestal catastrophe that erupted right next to him, but that he suffered from concussion, disorientation, memory loss, and, later, survivor guilt.
  154. @Lot
    Don't quarrel with me, the consensus of people betting money in an efficient market is what it is.

    Don’t quarrel with me, the consensus of people betting money in an efficient market is what it is.

    You think 538 is an efficient market? You must be thinking about PredictIt! or something. Pay attention, otherwise you look like AndrewR.

  155. @Jack Hanson
    As per Steve Sailer:

    Triple bankshot lawgic involving white people wanting to take your guns to protect their kids and totally not kulak you like everywhere else its happened in the world

    And

    The screw up son of USPACCOM totally did not start the Forrestral fire because the OFFICIAL REPORT SAID SO

    The biggest brains, the most important commentariat: iStevia dawt comma

    We are not now, nor will we be in the future, giving up our guns.

    How much have you been drinking Jack?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    You're not familiar with Sailer's pet theory on liberal obsession with gun grabbing, are you?
  156. @J.Ross
    Am I tripping on Poe's law here?
    >McCain is responsible for his weapons cooking off in a fire he didn't start.
    I hate McCain but this is preposterous.
    >he should have moved the bombs and fought the fire under his rig.
    This is sarcasm, right?

    This is sarcasm, right?

    It should have been sarcasm.

  157. @Anonymous Human Intelligence Operative

    That’s debatable. McCain was known for wet starting his engine which causes a lot of flame. This contributed to the Zuni rocket and old bombs going off. Many such talk on the Youtubes. It isn’t certain, but given his past record of poor aviation, I believe it.
     
    No, it isn't debatable. The exhaust of the planes on the flight deck faces outboard for, guess what, safety reasons so you aren't blasting the other planes.

    My best guess from what I’ve read is that McCain was just a bystander in the Forrestal catastrophe that erupted right next to him, but that he suffered from concussion, disorientation, memory loss, and, later, survivor guilt.

  158. @Another Canadian
    Florida Republicans still have to get out and vote in November.

    Florida Republicans still have to get out and vote in November.

    We’ll be there!

    Walking a mile down the beach on a balmy sunny morning to vote for Trump was one of my highlights of 2016.

  159. @Mr. Blank
    OT: Florida Democrats appear to be doing their part to help the Sailer Strategy, by nominating a left-wing anti-gun black guy who wants to raise taxes to be their standard-bearer in the governor's race in November:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-democrat-governor-nominee-20180828-story.html

    For those outside of Florida, this guy is generally regarded as the least electable of all the candidates the Democrats had put up. The guy who won the Republican primary was backed by Trump and spent the entire campaign boasting of how 100 percent on board the Trump train. So this is basically a test run for both parties' emerging White House strategies for 2020.

    This race could offer an interesting glimpse into America's future, not just for 2020, but beyond.

    OT: Florida Democrats appear to be doing their part to help the Sailer Strategy, by nominating a left-wing anti-gun black guy who wants to raise taxes to be their standard-bearer in the governor’s race in November:

    I guess Levine really needed someone who could draw swastikas the right way.

    This is great news. Goal: zero white male Democrats elected!

  160. @AnotherDad

    wet start your A4 and kill 130+ people on an aircraft carrier
     
    Cool trick if McCain did that in his A4 as it's a light attack aircraft and did not have/need an afterburner. The F4-Phantom was the air superiority fighter/interceptor of its day. And it was one of those parked across from McCain's A4 started the fire, by an electrical surge/fault on shifting to internal power, accidentally firing a Zuni missile.

    McCain was a hothead and a not-very-bolted down screwup. (I've got some tendencies in that direction as well and have to keep a close eye on myself to keep 'em under control.)

    But let us condemn the man for his actual faults--being a traitor to the people of the United States, and a rude, obnoxious, pompous one at that.

    (I’ve got some tendencies in that direction as well and have to keep a close eye on myself to keep ‘em under control.)

    Such as what, if we may ask?

  161. @J.Ross
    OT Coalition of the Fringes and Imputed Racism by Presupposed Telepathy
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1034600638158594048

    The real question is whether Donald Trumps’ appeal to racism is also criticism of Antifa.

  162. @Jim Don Bob
    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?

    Lindsey is a good brother, uncle, and friend.

    • Replies: @anon
    I would hide Senator Graham in my attic ... or closet ... whichever he prefers.
  163. @ben tillman

    Is this a joke? How do people this stupid get to be a US Senator?
     
    Lindsey is a good brother, uncle, and friend.

    I would hide Senator Graham in my attic … or closet … whichever he prefers.

  164. @Anonymous

    he would be publicly hailed as such if he would do certain things for them.
     
    What were some of the things he did for them?

    What were some of the things he [McCain] did for them?

    1. McCain spent a career keeping trillions of dollars flowing to the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. He was a key player in Washington fomenting perpetual war … Invade the World — Invite the World.

    2. McCain opened up Arizona to the copper mining industry with little regard for environmental damage and pollution. The scarred landscape aside, Arizona no longer has enough potable water to support its population. Cf: Recent issue of Harper’s Magazine.

    If Divine Justice is served, John McCain will spend eternity frozen in Dante’s Ninth Circle of Hell along with the rest of life’s treacherous ilk.

    BTW: Who said McCain was a Republican? He was without policies or principles. He was an independent protagonist who sold his soul to the highest bidder.

  165. @Autochthon

    Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
     
    Because the tale cannot be repeated enough to suffciently emphasise what a scumbag the guy was. We should organise a veterans' gathering to piss on his grave en masse.

    Ironically, his acumen and perseverance in another kind of damage control – of the cowardly, verbal sort – remained nonpareil all his days.

    Trump hires Russian whores to piss on McCain’s grave — report
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/08/26/trump-mccain/

  166. @Steve in Greensboro
    What is Lindsay Graham going to do now that he doesn’t have McCain to instruct him on how best to betray the American people? Might he actually do something constructive for once?

    The Palmetto Princess must be feeling the heat, because his rhetoric during interviews has been surprisingly Trumpist as of late. Perhaps Juan MCcain also taught him how to fake out disenchanted voters.

  167. @Joe Stalin
    Coolest A-6 Intruder story told to me by the brother of the pilot. Guy couldn't get the landing gear down on one side when trying to land; so he did it on one gear. As the plane touched down, he revved up one of the engines and the torque lifted the wing up and he ended up damaging the navigation lamp assembly at the end of the wing.

    That was a cheapie-crunch. That sort of stuff happened a lot when planes towing in the night touched hands, except at sea it was usually at the wing-folds damaging hydraulics and fuel system stuff.

    I was a seat guy, an AME. My gig was life-support (they trusted me, don’t ask why), that is, LOX, seats, cabin air and electronics cooling. Best story I saw that didn’t involve someone croaking was a partial ejection of a right-seater in an A6. The stories are all over, but there’s a photo. The seat inadvertently ejected, only that catapult fired, not the motor under the seat.;

    The seat inadvertently ejected, only the catapult fired, but for some reason not the motor under the seat which is a tubed rocket motor. Once a seat has traveled up the track a certain number of inches, perhaps a couple of feet IIRC, a lanyard tightens and pulls a pin from a firing head. Didn’t happen in this case. Had this been an actual loss-of-aircraft accident with an ejection, I suppose the right-seater would have gone down with the plane, he wouldn’t have gotten away. With a healthy seat, he presumably would have drawn a chute and splashed safely. These days the seats all have vectored thrust slaved to gyros so they get to going up quickly even when pointed down at ejection. They reach some pretty steep ejection envelopes these days. Big fun! Coolest shit I ever worked on, except those planes, ugly purpose.

    Ah well, enough already.

  168. @Anonymous
    With all due respect, I’ll wait to make up mind on McCain’s culpability in the deadly Forrestal fire until after reading a 15,000-word American Pravda piece on it by Ron Unz.

    Fair enough. But when I went through those classes, McCain was a big fat zero, they wouldn’t have protected him. I believe their story and the Navy wouldn’t have trained us wrong over that. It was a maintenance thing, combined with a larger issue, shitty fire fighting tactics, that is, following application of foam with flows of seawater, allowing re-flash. Plus, even after the fires were out, there were still warheads and motors cooking off from residual heat, which is what killed a couple of guys aboard Nimitz in 81.

    Bad stuff.

  169. @JimB

    People like and worse than McCain are inserted into Naval Air and the Air Force all the time.
     
    I found a picture of the 2017 Thunderbirds flight team: all white males.

    https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2017/07/youngest-private-pilot-flies-with.html?m=1

    In earlier teams, I saw maybe one black male, and he was outstanding. My guess is that any marginal diversity hires by the USAF get dumped into support roles.

    In earlier teams, I saw maybe one black male, and he was outstanding. My guess is that any marginal diversity hires by the USAF get dumped into support roles.

    Pilotry, so to speak, is still largely merit. Back in the 70s, I remember a few Blacks on deck crews and I drew a couple of Blacks for a LOX crew I supervised for a year, but our mechanics and pilots and aircrews were all White. They just didn’t pay attention to race. Even in maintenance capacities, Black or White, they were good or they weren’t up on the roof. Air Bosses, they could tell looking down who belonged and they made the appropriate adjustments. They knew when a tourist was sightseeing and chased em out, too. Like working in the air or riding a motorcycle, ya can’t do this stuff scared. If you own a sense of mortality, you’re doomed.

  170. The Washington Generals meme for Republicans/conservatives as the professional designated losers of American politics, is from a Mencius Moldbug blogpost in 2007.

    I suspect that one reason it spread on alt-right sites is that it filled a memetic vacuum. The more familiar phrase “beautiful losers” (common at least since the mid-1960’s after Leonard Cohen’s book of that name) was for some reason not in use all those years. It’s as though the permanent losing class never recognized itself as such all these years, despite the constant creep leftward and their clearly lower social status.

  171. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    We are not now, nor will we be in the future, giving up our guns.

    How much have you been drinking Jack?

    You’re not familiar with Sailer’s pet theory on liberal obsession with gun grabbing, are you?

  172. John McCain from a Black Left Progressive perspective:

    The Manufactured McCain and the Real McCain

    https://blackagendareport.com/manufactured-mccain-lifting-bloodstained-lying-venal-servant-capitalist-empire

    The Navy says McCain did not cause the Forrestal explosion:

    Did John McCain Cause a Fire Aboard the USS Forrestal that Killed 134 People?

    A fabricated story blames the fluke 1967 aircraft carrier fire on the negligence of then-Navy bomber pilot and future United States Senator John McCain.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/

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