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In Tablet, neo-New Dealer Michael Lind offers an interesting theory of the FDR coalition and analogy to the Great Awokening as the new Establishment form of gentility:

The Revenge of the Yankees
How Social Gospel became Social Justice
BY
MICHAEL LIND
NOVEMBER 15, 2020

Is America disintegrating into anarchy and civil war among races, religions, and regions? Is the country more divided than ever before? The answer is no. The social and economic divides among white Northerners and white Southerners, Blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants and Jews were much more intense in 1920 than they are today in 2020. What has happened is that the formerly unified, mostly Northern mainline Protestant American establishment has—perhaps temporarily—broken down, allowing the actual diversity of interests and opinions in the United States to be expressed rather than suppressed. If the emerging woke national establishment has its way, however, that diversity of viewpoints and values will soon be suppressed once again, in favor of an intolerant and exclusive doctrine that greatly resembles the old-time Social Gospel from which it is derived.

With the exceptions of Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson, every American president between 1861 and 1933 was a Republican mainline Protestant from the North or Midwest. The Republican Party, still the Lincoln coalition of Northern industrialists and Yankee Protestants, dominated Congress in the same era. Industry and finance were in the hands of a small number of Northeastern financiers, many of them old-stock Northeastern Protestants like J.P. Morgan. While there were some important Jewish financiers, Jews along with Catholics were kept out of many snobbish Wall Street firms until well after World War II.

The New Deal revolution of the 1930s is badly misunderstood, both politically and culturally, when it is treated as a left-wing rebellion against right-wing capitalism. Fundamentally it represented the partial overthrow of Yankee Protestant hegemony in American society by a coalition of outsiders, chiefly provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic.

The Democratic Party that dominated the United States between the 1930s and the 1980s had a few Yankee progressive members, but it was essentially the old Jacksonian alliance of white Southerners and non-British “white ethnics” in the North. If Harry Truman is understood correctly as a cultural Southerner from Missouri, then with one exception every Democratic president between Roosevelt and Obama was a white Southerner—Truman, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton. The one exception was John F. Kennedy, from the other wing of the Jacksonian anti-Yankee alliance of Southerners and Irish Americans. Meanwhile, the Solid South combined with the seniority system ensured that Southerners, many of them segregationists, dominated Congress and the Senate throughout the New Deal era.

Most New Deal Democratic politicians were not anti-capitalist or opposed to industry. They often represented socially conservative local business elites who resented the fact that Northern bankers often would only finance infrastructure projects in the South and West that locked those regions into their assigned roles as resource colonies for factories in the Midwest and Northeast.

To break this neocolonial pattern of Northeastern economic domination, New Deal Democrats used federal state capitalism to industrialize and modernize the Southern and Western periphery, by means of rural electrification cooperatives, the Tennessee Valley Authority and other hydropower projects, defense production plants assigned to the South and West during World War II, and the interstate highway system (a favorite project of FDR which was only enacted under Eisenhower). In short, Southern and Western politicians and their Northern white ethnic allies who dominated the federal government in the New Deal era deployed federal state capitalism to do an end run around unsympathetic Yankee capitalists, not to advance toward socialism or social democracy.

The New Deal era also witnessed the downfall of the post-Civil War New England/Midwestern hegemony in American literature and culture. Following World War I, advanced intellectuals ridiculed the Puritan tradition in New England and its offshoot, the upper Midwest, home of Sinclair Lewis’ Babbitt and Sherwood Anderson’s Winesburg, Ohio. …

The postwar literary world underwent an ethnic succession, in which many white Southerners—including Willie Morris, Tom Wolfe, William Styron, Gore Vidal, and Truman Capote—together with Jewish writers and intellectuals like Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, and many others shouldered aside Northeastern WASP professors and novelists and purged the American literary canon of New Englanders like Longfellow, Whittier, and the Fireside Poets.

My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.

While Protestants make up a lot of the foot soliders, I think many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews. Their ancestors having undergone “The Ordeal of Civility” (as John Murray Cuddihy phrased it), they are now appalled by those who remind them of their ancestors, such as less genteel Jews like the Sephardics, Israelis, fundamentalists, ex-Soviets and so forth.

 
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  1. It all reads like a parody Steve came up with.

  2. I’ve met a few Sephardic Jews in the last few years who moved out of Israel to the East Coast of the U.S. Their basic reason for reason? Hatred of the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel who ruled over the nation.

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  3. Dan Hayes says:

    I had already read Lind’s essay. My take was that it was a long-winded attempt to downplay what actually happened: the post-war control of America by its new Jewish ruling class.

  4. Dan Hayes says:

    I had already read Lind’s essay. My take was that it was a long-winded attempt to downplay what actually happened: the post-war control of America by its new Jewish ruling class.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  5. the formerly unified, mostly Northern mainline Protestant American establishment has—perhaps temporarily—broken down

    The fact that Vermont regularly votes 2-1 for perhaps the most corrupt political party in human history is evidence that the “mainline Protestant American establishment” is dead. The state has been taken over by pod people.

    Once you cross the Hudson, though, traces of the old Yankee remain. E.g., that row of Pennsylvania counties along the New York border, which were settled by New Englanders and to this day vote more Republican than the rest of the Commonwealth:

    Rural Michigan is another:

    The blue is for Gov Whitmer. Note the vestiges of the old Finnish-Cornish-commie axis in the UP. It will be fascinating to see her post-Covid reelection attempt– assuming she isn’t impeached out of office.

    A lot of Yankee blood survives in Mormons, mixed with Danish and Dutch, which may reinforce it. Or not.

    the Tennessee Valley Authority and other hydropower projects

    Has anyone compared the amount of damage those did to that of Gen Sherman and his marchers? The Watauga and South Holston Dams pushed over a thousand families out of their homes, for example.

  6. With the exceptions of Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson, every American president between 1861 and 1933 was a Republican mainline Protestant from the North or Midwest. The Republican Party, still the Lincoln coalition of Northern industrialists and Yankee Protestants, dominated Congress in the same era.

    During the same period, America advanced from a noble but fairly primitive backwater to a world power, and a generator of wealth and technology such as the world had never before seen. Sheer coincidence, m’boy.

    While there were some important Jewish financiers, Jews along with Catholics were kept out of many snobbish Wall Street firms until well after World War II.

    While they owned others, but that’s not part of our narrative today, kids.

  7. Wilkey says:

    Speaking of Yankee Protestants, this week marks the 400th anniversary of the arrival of the Mayflower at Plymouth.

    Yet there has been nary a mention of it in the mainstream press. One of the most significant events in American history, and there’s almost dead silence. To the extent that it has been mentioned it invariably comes with claims of invasion and oppression of the Natives.

    The arrival of a ship with 102 people on board attracts all that vitriol. But the fact that *annual* current immigration levels are over 10,000 times higher gets no mention at all.

  8. TGGP says: • Website

    I had not realized The Ordeal of Civility was available via the Internet Archive. My local library has a copy, but it can’t be checked out, and I certainly don’t intend to sit down there for a long read now.

  9. @Wilkey

    “The arrival of a ship with 102 people on board attracts all that vitriol. But the fact that *annual* current immigration levels are over 10,000 times higher gets no mention at all.”

    Um, well, there’s this thing about looking at percentages rather than absolute numbers, like when iStevers talk about black crime rates or Jewish over-representation.

  10. Polistra says:
    @Wilkey

    400th anniversary of the arrival of the Mayflower at Plymouth.

    We long ago got rid of the Plymouth automobile. But what about things named Mayflower? Hotels in many cities. A luxury highrise on Central Park West. It’s all got to go.

  11. Kronos says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Naaa, it’s certain WASP Yankees tripling down on the stupidest social science theory of all time. That human IQ was environmentally determined and black IQ can be increased by social engineering. Many rich WASPs thought replacing Catholic ethnics with non-union black labor in the inner cities would free them from New Deal constraints. The “cure” was far far worse then the disease. It’s been almost been 70 years since Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and the “Six Trillion Dollar Negro” has been an utter flop.

    Everyone has wisened up and the Yankees can’t dump enough blacks into flyover country without experiencing a substantial backlash. So they’re essentially stuck.

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  12. Polistra says:


    Just look where congresswoman pramila gets published!
    She knows her base, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas Remote
  13. What has happened is that the formerly unified, mostly Northern mainline Protestant American establishment has—perhaps temporarily—broken down, allowing the actual diversity of interests and opinions in the United States to be expressed rather than suppressed.

    Well, I guess Lind’s view is one way of rationalizing the actual facts on the ground. It’s certainly true that “mainstream protestantisim” is dead as a doornail.

    The reality is that woke whites (mostly single white women plus some cuck males) have formed a coalition with 95% of blacks, 75% of Jews, and 75% of Hispanics to take down white males.

  14. @Peter D. Bredon

    Willie Morris was a Southern white magazine writer who was briefly considered a genius in the 1960s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Morris

    There were a whole bunch of Southern whites in New York magazine journalism in the 1960s: Tom Wolfe and Hunter S. Thompson are now the most famous, but they were all over the place. Charles Portis, Dan Jenkins, Ray Blount, etc.

    • Agree: Stick
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  15. Polistra says:

    Uh oh…

    The Failer Strategy

    https://vdare.com/articles/the-failer-strategy-why-trump-lost-ground-with-the-white-working-class

    This is a shot across someone’s bow! J/K, he credits you and even spells your name right. In lights!

    In the end, it appears inarguable that Trump erred when he forsook the Sailer Strategy for the Kushner Strategy—or, as Takimag’s brilliant David Cole calls it, “The Failer Strategy.”

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @J.Ross
  16. Shaq says:

    Completely OT, and this may have been posted, but amusing in its own way: https://patch.com/california/menlopark-atherton/s/hb4r1/peninsula-school-board-prez-quits-as-wifes-racist-tweets-surface?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

    Of course, their kids go to a private school, which had to send out a separate email about the “incident.” Gotta love Silicon Valley.

  17. Dan Hayes says:
    @TGGP

    Just one of the many benefits of reading the UR!😎

  18. 700 words of incoherent blather when he could have just said that anti-american jews took control of the country.

    like the greeks and romans struggling to explain astronomy observations that don’t make sense if the earth is the center of the solar system, when you have the wrong model of what’s happening, you stumble around a lot trying to explain things.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  19. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    Agreed, and it will end in likely extreme violence.

    The coalition of the Woke is stupid. Divided. With low trust and low competence. That lot makes the late Austrian Empire and the Romanovs look gifted.

    There is a Youtube channel called Visualizing History that had a presentation on why the Wehrmacht did not collapse in 1944 like the Allies expected it to, whereas the German Imperial Army essentially collapsed in July 1918 and fought only defensively thereafter. The answer was the cohesion of the Wehrmacht was much much higher than that of the Kaiser.

    While the Imperial Army suffered something like only a 1/4 of the casualties of the Wehrmacht and lost cohesion, the Wehrmacht kept it until January 1945. Despite suffering a combined nearly 800K casualties on both the West (around 140K) and the East (the balance) during the Summer of 1944. That’s more than 2.8 Stalingrad’s worth of casualties. The secret was that the Army units until quite late were comprised of people from the same region, who if they did not personally know each other likely knew mutual acquaintances and relatives. They spoke the same dialect. Military competence was rewarded and officers were more likely to die in combat than soldiers. Even Generals had only a few percentage points less casualty rates than soldiers. Each unit had its own decorations and distinctiveness, and medals were awarded not to the Aristocracy only but mostly to ordinary soldiers and not for kamikaze stuff but ordinary bravery where the soldiers survived at least the initial encounter. This was in marked contrast in every way to the Imperial Army where none of these conditions held. It is why to Ike’s astonishment the Wehrmacht did not simply collapse but kept fighting on until April 1945.

    Lind is incorrect about today’s Woke. They are deeply divided. The wants of Silicon Valley (make their Chinese partners happy — where do you think all that investor money came from) are in direct conflict with that of the Officer Class which while semi-Woke have nothing but mutual contempt for dudes like homeless bilionaire Jack Dorsey. Mattis and Petraeus may be tools, but they have a soldier’s contempt for a dude who looks like he sleeps under a bridge while having billions. The Officer Class likely wants a war with China the better to be more important than dudes like Dorsey. The various Diverse Woke like the Squad would happily kill all the old and senile White people in Party leadership. And vice-versa. Secretary of Labor Bernie Sanders and Wall Street hate each other. And the woke depend on US Military superiority which is based on White military personnel and White skilled labor to create a warfighting machine. Shaniqua and D’Quarius won’t cut it. Neither will prancing Trannies or some random MS-13 member or random Third world peoples.

    Woke White women and cucks do not run an Empire.

  20. black sea says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    I was surprised to see Morris’s name there as well. He was for a time editor of Harper’s, and hobnobbed with Mailer and the like. He wound up starting (I think) the Creative Writing program at Ol’ Miss.

    I sort of like him, and I remember a pretty powerful account of his father’s death, but I don’t think he’s ever been considered, even by himself, a major figure in American literature. I guess Lind was running out of names at that point.

  21. Polistra says:

    Good thing that Biden Harris are president now. This country needs to ramp up immigration dramatically, especially from Asia and Africa. India suffers from extreme under population just like the USA does. Look at the ordeals they go through just to boost their birthrates.

    https://mol.im/a/8961253

  22. I don’t quite follow the argument. The last 2 paragraphs seem to contradict each other.

  23. @Kronos

    Everyone has wisened up and the Yankees can’t dump enough blacks into flyover country without experiencing a substantial backlash. So they’re essentially stuck.

    Oh yeah, it’s almost as if there’d be some kind of real problems – shortcomings, (self)deceptions, and insufficiencies out there. And it’ almost, as if the sociologically unsubstantiated optimism of George Packer’s The Unwinding would have to give way to more realistic outlooks like that of – Jim Bageant’s Dear Hunting with Jesus about the widespread suffering of rural white people. And – there is a number ofSamisdat-papers out about the rather devastating public school system. No single book, as far as I can see, just papers over papers, which tell a simple, important but obviously unwanted truth.

    One example of the truth-telling US-samizdat-literature about public schools and Blacks:

    “I used to teach in a black inner city school. Their issues are their own fault and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.” from ThePortal

    Btw. I – Steve Sailer could add some optimism into the dark tone of those Samiszdat– papers in pointing out, that there is a rather simple solution to that problem, which – in the words of Jewish dissident Erich Fromm, would take on the quite humble form, that there’d be a “hunger for structure” out there in those schools not least, and that it would be rather destructive, to neglect this basic human longing – – – in the name of liberty and self-expression, which are both subverting the hunger for structure of the pupils in those schools.

    Btw. II – this is an old thing. The oldest form I know of is from the – catholic, of course – mystic Heinrich Seuse and reads like this: If everybody does what lies within their reach, more won’t be asked of him – God will finish what might not have been achieved.

    It might be time to problematize Purity (Jonathan Franzen – a midwesterner – – – who did so in his apropriately titled novel Purity, which still waits to be properly understood (and don’t count – here again (it’s almost as if there’d be a pattern there….) on the New York Times and especially: Don’t count on Michiko Kukatami, who did praise Purity in the rather impotent zeitgeisty way (“dynamic, funny, intense”) you could have thought she would. In other words, she missed out on the Purity / Liberty (Freedom) aspects, which constitute Franzen’s work completely.

    If there is one thing, Franzen is painstakingly indirect about then it’s the aspect of the Jews, playing a part in this whole mentality-war affair that is shaking up the west now. Jonathan Franzen too did even work on this question in publishing a book of essays about the Austrian top rank public intellectual Karl Kraus: The first writer in the world who did specialize almost entirely in the critique of the media – and did tackle the Jewish question too, since, in the Habsburg Austria before and after the First World War, there were quite a few Jews already paying a big part in the media business. So – Jonathan Franzen sure chose an interesting subject with his book The Kraus Project, but it is not the home run I would have wished for. Oh – Karl Kraus – just as Bob Dylan, another prominent media critic of Jewish origin, split with Judaism too – and not least for reasons that can be traced back to the many mistakes, Jewish publicists made, as Karl Kraus feverishly pointed out over decades. (Of course – take away the feverish part and what do you get? – The most prominent predecessor of (i)Steve, our host).

  24. @Reg Cæsar

    Those families were hillbillies, Reg, not noble importers of African livestock like the people Sherman burnt out.

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  25. @Mr. Anon

    Corona-Chan, what can’t she do?

  26. syonredux says:

    Some silly aspects to the article:

    Fundamentally it represented the partial overthrow of Yankee Protestant hegemony in American society by a coalition of outsiders, chiefly provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic.

    The Democratic Party that dominated the United States between the 1930s and the 1980s had a few Yankee progressive members, but it was essentially the old Jacksonian alliance of white Southerners and non-British “white ethnics” in the North.

    There’s also the question of quality vs quantity, as the “few Yankee progressive[s]” included people at the very top like FDR……

    The New Deal era also witnessed the downfall of the post-Civil War New England/Midwestern hegemony in American literature and culture. Following World War I, advanced intellectuals ridiculed the Puritan tradition in New England and its offshoot, the upper Midwest, home of Sinclair Lewis’ Babbitt and Sherwood Anderson’s Winesburg, Ohio.

    Of course, many of those “advanced intellectuals” who were doing the ridiculing were themselves the post-Puritan descendants of the old New England elite….

    The postwar literary world underwent an ethnic succession, in which many white Southerners—including Willie Morris, Tom Wolfe, William Styron, Gore Vidal, and Truman Capote—

    Dunno about counting Gore Vidal as a Southerner, at least not when compared to people like Wolfe, Styron, and Capote. His mother had Southern connections (she was descended from Southern plantation owners), but Vidal’s father was from South Dakota. And Vidal attended that ultimate bastion of New England WASPdom, Phillips Exeter Academy.

    together with Jewish writers and intellectuals like Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, and many others shouldered aside Northeastern WASP professors and novelists and purged the American literary canon of New Englanders like Longfellow, Whittier, and the Fireside Poets.

    …..Meanwhile, while lesser fry like the Fireside Poets were being demoted, the canonicity of Hawthorne, Emerson, Thoreau, and Dickinson was reaffirmed…..And one could also add half-New Englanders like Melville (Melville was the grandson of Boston Revolutionary Patriot Thomas Melvill) and Whitman (Whitman was descended from New England Quakers who settled on Long Island)……and, of course, the central figure in Anglophone letters between 1925 and 1950 was TS Eliot….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_family_(America)

    In the movie The Good Shepherd (2007), Joe Pesci’s Mafioso says to Matt Damon’s WASP CIA agent: “You know, we Italians have our families and the church, the Irish have the homeland, the Jews their tradition, the [Blacks] their music. What do you guys have?” Damon’s character replies: “We have the United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.”

    MMMM, red meat for your Jewish readers, eh, Mr Lind?

    This mentality with its bizarre synthesis of science-inspired technocracy and millenniarian zeal, was shared by many turn-of-the-century Progressives, including Woodrow Wilson, a Southern-born Northern transplant.

    Wait, you’re counting Gore Vidal as a Southerner but not Woodrow Wilson?

    Shedding its specifically Northern mainline Protestant cultural attributes, a version of Social Gospel Protestantism has mutated into the secular religion of wokeness, the orthodoxy of the universities and the increasingly important nonprofit sector.

    ….and no mention is made of Jewish contributions to Wokeness….It’s just those crazy WASPs…..

    By evolving from an ethnoregional culture into a crusading secular creed disseminated by the universities, the public school system, the corporate media, and corporate HR departments, post-Protestant wokeness is capable of assimilating anyone, of any race or ethnicity, native-born or immigrant, who is willing to conform to its weird rituals and snobbish etiquette. The Long Island lockjaw accent has been replaced by the constantly updated “woke” dialect of the emerging American elite as a status marker.

    Look, Jews are OK….They’ve just been brainwashed by Thurston Howell III’s descendants….

    Although the woke managerial culture in the United States has lost most of the vestiges of its Yankee mainline Protestant origins, the emerging American national oligarchy has the same enemies as the old New England-Midwestern WASP oligarchy: white Southerners, Catholic white ethnics and observant Jews.

    Look, I’m just not going to name the dominant group in the “emerging national oligarchy”……

    This became clear in the summer of 2020. The woke left not only demanded the removal of statues of Confederate traitors—a perfectly reasonable demand

    Hey, don’t worry. I hate those racist Confederates as much as the next guy.

    but also targeted Columbus, the icon of Italian Americans, and Spanish Catholic saints and conquistadors. Democratic liberals warned, in the tones of 19th-century Yankee Protestant nativists, that papists were taking over the Supreme Court. At the same time, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, Italian American by ancestry but woke by culture, exhibited a striking double standard when it came to public gatherings by left-wing protesters on the one hand and, on the other, Orthodox and Hasidic Jews.

    Come on, people! Jews are being oppressed by WASPized Italians!

    The increasingly powerful and intolerant woke national overclass justifies its cultural iconoclasm in the name of oppressed minorities. But this is just an excuse for a top-down program of cultural imperialism by mostly white, affluent, college-educated managers and professionals and rentiers.

    ….And just keep on picturing them as those WASP bastards who kept great-grandpa Irving out of the Porcellian….

    What we are witnessing is a power grab carried out chiefly by some white Americans against other white Americans.

    ….And don’t bother yourself when it comes to wondering about the ethnic composition of those groups….

    The goal of the new woke national establishment, the successor to the old Northeastern mainline Protestant establishment that was temporarily displaced by the neo-Jacksonian New Deal Democratic coalition, is to stigmatize, humiliate and disempower recalcitrant Southern, Catholic, and Jewish whites, along with members of ethnic and racial minorities who refuse to be assimilated into the new national orthodoxy disseminated from New York, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and the prestigious private universities of New England. Properly understood, the Great Awokening is the revenge of the Yankees.

    Uh, yeah. I mean, that works, right? You guys see what I’m doing? Elite Jews are just brainwashed puppets of their evil WASP masters. Fight the real enemy:

  27. anon[206] • Disclaimer says:

    Lind is right about the New Deal Coalition which dominated American politics for decades during the middle of the 20th century being fundamentally not about ideology and economics but rather an ethnic and cultural coalition of minorities united in opposition to the northern WASP core of the US.

    However, he’s wrong about contemporary “wokeness” being some sort of “revenge” by northern WASPs and originating from them. There is no meaningful northern WASP establishment. It has declined demographically. And it has no major cultural relevance or significance. Moreover, it never dominated culturally because the national culture in the 20th century was dominated and shaped by mass media which was heavily influenced since its inception in the US by non-Northern WASPs such as Jews and Catholics.

  28. @syonredux

    If there were any justice in our society, you would be widely published.

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  29. bomag says:
    @40 Lashes Less One

    It all reads like a parody Steve came up with.

    Agree.

    Reflects a certain kind of trolling we get around here:

    If you think today’s rifts are bad, you should have seen the one in the 1930’s between Congregationalists and Presbyterians; that was epic… and don’t get me started on the rancor between Norwegians and Swedes.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • LOL: Mike Tre
  30. @Dieter Kief

    Karl Kraus: The first writer in the world who did specialize almost entirely in the critique of the media – and did tackle the Jewish question too, since, in the Habsburg Austria before and after the First World War, there were quite a few Jews already paying a big part in the media business.

    Austria and many other countries, of course. I’d be interested in learning more about their foresight in doing so. It wasn’t fore-ordained that they should have done this, was it? Nor was it an obvious extension of their prior proclivities, or was it? Publishing comes to mind, for example.

    Hard not to think that few ventures in human history have ever paid off so handsomely, particularly for such a small, self-styled élite.

    • Agree: Polistra
  31. So, Southern White Supremacists killed JFK ?¿?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  32. @Dieter Kief

    Oh – Karl Kraus – just as Bob Dylan, another prominent media critic of Jewish origin, split with Judaism too – and not least for reasons that can be traced back to the many mistakes, Jewish publicists made, as Karl Kraus feverishly pointed out over decades. (Of course – take away the feverish part and what do you get? – The most prominent predecessor of (i)Steve, our host).

    Kraus’s focus on – some might say obsession with – the debasement of language, has certain resonances in Steve’s work as well. Well spotted, Dieter!

  33. @The Alarmist

    Jackie Kennedy said she wished that were true, and that it was disappointing her husband’s assassin was a Communist.

  34. Richard B says:
    @40 Lashes Less One

    It all reads like a parody Steve came up with.

    In an age of absurdities parody and reality are one and the same.

  35. I don’t get why there is so much defence of the Wasp’s on the comments here, look both the WASPS and the secular Jewish liberals hate the guts of white working class America, they both work at ways of oppressing us yet somehow the WASPS are exempt from all this because they are Nordic.

  36. @Steve Sailer

    A “Communist” who just happened to be a former marine, as well as friends with various intelligence agents.

    A large number of witnesses and “persons of interest” related to the JFK assassination died in the first few years afterward. According to a prominent London insurance firm, the odds of this happening were 30 trillion to 1.

    CIA agent E. Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession, which implicated President Lyndon B. Johnson and various CIA officers (including himself).

  37. Mike Tre says:

    Ashkenazi’s are the genteel ones? Wow. At least they’re not the gentile ones, right (((guys)))?

  38. Bucky says:

    Article has elements of truth to it but it goes too far in trying to recast struggle into acceptable white vs white terms and in doing so acts like the white yankees have no legitimacy and that minorities have no real grievances.

    This is a common conservative movement tactic, and often employed by the Jewish neoconservative element. It is seductive and tempting, offering a sort of moral laundering.

    It also is nostalgic and backwards looking. Wouldn’t it be nice if the current struggle were a familiar one from the past, instead of something new that in some ways actually improves on the past, but in other ways proves more destructive of the past.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. Altai says:

    I’m not sure I think this analysis holds up as much as the mass presence of people with backgrounds antagonistic to cohesive society began to influence it towards complete ‘openness’ to feel ‘safe’ and that this new high-status cant was taken up by the upper middle classes and others as would anything, indeed this can be seen in it’s adoption aggressively by Indian and Chinese second generation upwardly-mobile types as well as Swedish and German Lutherans.

    What is conspicuous that some elements of ‘wokeness’ seem to never reached US levels outside the US despite others (Such as LGBT, anti-racism) rapidly reaching North American levels. The key one is transgenderism. The rest of the Western world had a brief spasm to remove stigma etc but nobody really much cared afterwards, I wonder if America’s sense of rootlessness after the great waves of immigration has produced a distance from the concrete from reality.

    But on the topic of high empathy, fairness and abstract universalism of North West Europeans.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1329261916724682757

    Australia has had a big soul-searching moment over war crimes by spec forces in Afghanistan. (A sadly common occurrence for those types, if you ever can, don’t ever surrender to spec forces of any army if you have a choice, plenty of footage from the war in the Caucases of Azeri spec forces filming themselves torturing and murdering PoWs)

    Now, will Australia be called more or less racist and evil because it’s MoD and prime minister were seen to personally apologise to the nation of Afghanistan and make a big deal out of this? The answer, of course, is more racist, most likely by people from countries (India and China) whose government would never do anything but cover the matters up and which are currently run by explicitly nationalist governments.

    The reason Swedes get called racist so much more often than Poles in their home countries isn’t because Swedes are more racist than Poles but because they are objectively less so. They allow themselves be badgered by outgroups who call them names in order to make them give more. Give more social space, give up more of their place in the countries history and identity, give up more resources and status and give up more territory.

    Because ‘racism’ means the natives acting in their own collective self-interests, (Being ‘racist’ has now come to mean any action by a native or white that isn’t 100% about putting the collective interests of non-whites first) that isn’t clear when the outgroups are very small but the only thing keeping outgroups small is the dominance of the ingroup acting in it’s self-interests to keep their numbers small. It’s all a zero-sum power issue sadly.

    I can’t think of anything more evil than taking advantage of people’s kindness and empathy and in displacing the peoples with more of it by peoples with less.

  40. Pheasant says:
    @TGGP

    Good book but written in tortuosly difficult jargon.

    Got through it once and never intend to revisit it.

  41. guest says:

    Reminds me a bit of when people defend P.C. as if it’s “just being polite.” No. If we were talking about some evolution in manners, we wouldn’t call it P.C. We’d call it good manners.

    I’m sure this book is subtler than the message I’m currently picking up. However, there ain’t nothin’ genteel about Wokism. 20th Century High Yankee culture may have undermined the civilization it helped build, but it was not out to destroy Western Civilization. The Woke is nothing but that. It has no positive consequences, unless you stand outside Western Civilization. Then I can see preferring it. Though why be so mean?

    If Damn Yankees have been converted in modern times to Race War and the downfall of the American nation, they’ve betrayed their ancestors. Even the evil ones who wanted to subvert America. Because at least those people didn’t do it out of self-hatred. They did it because they were stupid or weak or tricked by communism.

    That leaves us with nothing but the fact that older Yankees and Current Year Yankees share little but blood. I suppose whole books could be written about how, exactly, their blood “tells.”

  42. butch says:

    We have an economy based on uncontrolled usury and interminable debt, while the ADL is becoming one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the country, and you ‘think’ “many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews”? You’re really going out on a limb there. Lind knows very well who the key ethnic group is that is looting the country, spreading opioids to rural areas, and peddling this woke nonsense. However, the chance he will ever actually name that group is close to 0% seeing as how his academic career and work for Tablet would come to an immediate end if ever did.

  43. mmack says:
    @Polistra

    Nice 1959 Plymouth Fury.

    Plymouth got canceled not due to Yankee racism but due to the fact by the end of its life it was usually a Dodge with different grilles and tail lights and not enough price difference to matter.

    Interesting car nerd fact: Plymouth was not named after Plymouth Rock, but Plymouth Binder Twine. It was surmised that it was a “product everybody knows”. That said Plymouth cars until the late 1950s (just shortly before the car shown) carried a Mayflower sailing ship as their hood ornament or badge. When Chrysler refreshed Plymouth just before killing it they revived the Mayflower badging. Hmmm, perhaps 🤔 racism DID kill the brand. Good thing no more Plymouths are around to trigger folks.

    And what of Mayflower Moving? Great big moving vans with a racist sailing ship on the trailer.

  44. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That insurance thing is a canard. Apparently the firm answered a different question, and they included people deaths everyone should take for granted (Kennedy, Oswald, Tippit).

    Large number of witnesses dead, well, that’s…whatever. There were a lot of people watching the motorcade and in due time they died like people tend to do.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  45. @Dieter Kief

    Btw. III – My typo is fodder for Dr. Freud, Vienna, Berggasse 19 (whom Karl Kraus used to mock (and loath even) time after time****)- – – oh, here’s the typo: (…) “already paying a big part in the media business” – sigh – – – – – Oh help me / Please doctor / I’m damaged / There’s a pain / Where there once / Was a heart (…) (The Rolling Stones/ Beggar’s Banquet) // I need the Rock ‘n’ Roll Doctor’s advice (Lowell George // Little Feat ///

    Btw. IV ***** Dr. Freud used to say at such occasions: as soon as someone starts to however obsessively fantasize about you, he is beginning to accept you as a therapist. The lack of fantasizing is on the other hand is a bad sign, because it means – there is no emotional bond (and without that, no therapy could work).

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  46. There is a lot of truth in Lind’s analysis (Lind is a very bright guy) but also some serious lacunae.

    First, there were in fact quite a few socialists/Communists in the New Deal Administration: see for example Landon R.Y. Storrs’ The Second Red Scare and the Unmaking of the New Deal Left.

    The book is not a red-baiting exposé: Storrs thinks it is quite a shame that these guys (and gals) were pushed out after WW II.

    What seems to have happened is that FDR himself was an opportunist who allowed himself to be pushed around by his left-leaning brain trust.

    And, while FDR was not himself a Communist, both FDR and many of his top people saw no reason to be worried about Communists: the most famous example of this is the famous meeting Whittaker Chambers had with Adolf Berle at which Chambers revealed a long list of Communists. The Wikipedia summary of the meeting is accurate:

    Berle found Chambers’s information tentative, unclear, and uncorroborated. He took the information to the White House, but President Franklin Roosevelt dismissed it to which Berle made little if any objection.

    Why did things change after WW II? Well, Truman was alien to the Northeastern leftist intellectual class. And various people who had Truman’s ear (e.g., Acheson) had plans for a National Security Establishment that would secure Anglo-American world hegemony: see Isaacson’s and Thomas’ The Wise Men: Six Friends and the World They Made for a very sympathetic portrayal of some of the best-known of this group.

    Of course, the Soviet Union was the main obstacle. So, the outright Reds had to be rooted out of the government.

    Joe McCarthy was a Johnny-come-lately to the game, by the way: Truman got the Red-hunting going.

    There is also a book just out, Stephen Wertheim’s Tomorrow, the World: The Birth of U.S. Global Supremacy, that promises to take a broader view of this drive by elites for Anglo-American global supremacy, starting even before US entrance into WW II: I’ll be getting the book shortly.

    Fifty years ago, it was hard to find out about any of this except in slightly crazy books put out by the John Birch Society et al.: I still have a special fondness for Rose Martin’s Fabian Freeway, even though it is not exactly a model of scholarly detachment! Back in the ’60s, only the “extremists” wanted to tell the truth about all this, and they lacked the scholarly training and resources to do a top-rate job.

    So, I guess that fifty years from now, scholars may finally feel free to tell the truth about the Russian Collusion Hoax, the Biden family crime wave, and all the rest!

    Hegel said that the owl of Minerva only flies at dusk.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @nebulafox
  47. @Dieter Kief

    Btw. III – My typo is fodder for Dr. Freud, Vienna, Berggasse 19 (whom Karl Kraus used to mock (and loath even) time after time****)- – – oh, here’s the typo: (…) “already paying a big part in the media business” – sigh – – – – – Oh help me / Please doctor / I’m damaged / There’s a pain / Where there once / Was a heart (…) (The Rolling Stones/ Beggar’s Banquet) // I need the Rock ‘n’ Roll Doctor’s advice (Lowell George // Little Feat ///

    Btw. IV ***** Dr. Freud used to say at such occasions: as soon as someone starts to however obsessively fantasize about you, he is beginning to accept you as a therapist. The lack of fantasizing is on the other hand is a bad sign, because it means – there is no emotional bond (and without that, no therapy could work).

    [MORE]

  48. Stogumber says:

    I’ve read this article mostly for to understand the “Red Decade”, a development which still baffles me. Americans had just done a wonderful work in reconciliating both sides of the Civil War. How come that they soon afterwards constructed a new concept of an “enemy within” and developed so strong animosities against him – creating a tradition line which, via “The Authoritarian Personality” etc., lasts until our days?
    The poison is not simply in the ethnic differences which are to be found everywhere. We have to look how these differences were poisoned, and Lind doesn’t tell us.

  49. IHTG says:

    I did not get the impression that the Lind now intends to assign responsibility to the actual biological descendants of the Yankees. Rather, the Yankee spirit has returned to dominance in other forms, embodied by others.

  50. AndrewR says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Bizarre. If you hate Ashkenazim ruling over you, the US is clearly the worst place to move to besides Israel. Even England or Canada are Judenrein paradises in comparison.

  51. Woke, Inc. makes billions selling low-nutrition packaged foods on the EBT market and ruthlessly promotes their creepy woke corporate theology to continue the obscene profiteering from black bodies. Follow the money and it all can be traced to the coffers of Woke, Inc. It is the circular flow of gibs in the social justice economy. The CEO of my bank Chase is gibbing out $30 Billion to blacks in the name of social justice. Would like to see a photo of his house which must be in a predominantly black neighborhood, like all rich and famous anti-racists.

  52. kihowi says:

    That’s why pointing out how wrong and inconsistent liberalism is, no matter in how droll a way, is a losing strategy. The only thing it tells them is that we’re not just just too stupid to win at this game, we’re too stupid to understand a game is being played at all. It’s a big brain measuring contest in which we show off how absurd a worldview we can believe in and still have a functioning life. Insisting on reality is parading around your small brain. Look everybody, I can only hold one reality in my mind at the same time! Proud owner of a one-core processor here!

    Liberals are playing chess against us and we’re objecting “but those aren’t even real soldiers!”. Yeah, they know. They only way to win is to either beat them at the game, which we can’t, or tip over the board and punch them in the face. But conservatives have always insisted, and still insist, that it would be more moral to just lose, because tipping over the board and punching them in the face wouldn’t be playing by the rules. Yeah, that’s the point.

    • Agree: Kylie, Pincher Martin
    • Replies: @Lurker
  53. @Steve Sailer

    “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights… it had to be some silly little Communist. ”
    ― Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    , @Muggles
  54. I think many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews …. they are now appalled by those who remind them of their ancestors, such as less genteel Jews like the Sephardics, Israelis, fundamentalists, ex-Soviets and so forth.

    Yet they have an crude manner. Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, the NYT journalists, the Twitter Blue Checks … wow they are base and vicious.

    Yes, they are wannabe snobs. But they still have that back alley way of expressing themselves, especially when triggered. Like some sleazy pimp from the gutter.

    Meanwhile, the ex-Soviets, Sephardics, and Israelis seem more like normal human beings to me.

    What’s Gad Saad? Lebanese Jew? He seems normal too.

  55. AndrewR says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The vast majority of Hispanics don’t really care about politics or have strong feelings about hhhhwhites. They just like to make money and party. They are 21st century Americans in the deepest sense.

  56. Art Deco says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    During the same period, America advanced from a noble but fairly primitive backwater to a world power, and a generator of wealth and technology such as the world had never before seen. Sheer coincidence, m’boy.

    Disagree. See the Maddison Project’s reconstructions. The U.S. in 1860 was close to being the world’s most affluent country, exceeded only by Britain and Australia (and in re them not by much). The population of the U.S. was close to that of France, the Hapsburg Monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan and much exceeded only by that of Russia, British India, and China. In terms of total output, British India and China prior to the Taiping Rebellion may have exceeded that of the US due to their enormous labor force; the didn’t have the kind of industrial infrastructure you saw in Britain, Belgium, and (to a lesser degree) the US.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. Altai says:

    In other news, Indians continue to challenge Jews to be the most anti-white group per capita and per public intensity.

  58. Polistra says:

    SJW author on NPR. She used the photo Lind uses on cover of her book.

    https://www.npr.org/2012/05/14/152684575/teddy-roosevelts-shocking-dinner-with-washington

    Along with her garden-variety SJW fabrications (“Blacks built everything”) she’s remarkably privy to the innermost thoughts of the major players:

    [MORE]

    “Theodore Roosevelt was known for being a very, very impulsive man. But this was a good impulse. He had an appointment with Booker T. Washington. At the last minute, he thought, ‘Let’s make it dinner.’ He started to send out the invitation, and he hesitated for a second, thinking, ‘Is this a bad idea because of this man’s color?’ And he was so ashamed that he hesitated, that he hastened to send the invitation out before he could change his mind.

    “Now, Booker T. Washington faced the same thing when he had to decide whether or not to accept the invitation. He thought, ‘This is going to be a real problem for me, but I have no right to refuse. It’s a landmark moment, and I have to accept this on behalf of my whole race.”

    BWTM!

    And, you know, an assassin was hired to go to Tuskegee to kill Booker T. Washington. He was pursued wherever he went. Theodore Roosevelt was criticized in ways that presidents were not criticized.

    Also note, the word EQUALITY wasn’t actually written on the tablecloth. Someone with an agenda did a photo edit. Maybe Emma Lazarus?

  59. @Dieter Kief

    You were not only guilty of a Freudian slip, but you corrected yourself twice!

    Verrrry interesting.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  60. Hibernian says:
    @syonredux

    Have Michael Lind, E. Michael Jones, and Jake ever been seen in the same room?

    • LOL: LondonBob
  61. Polistra says:
    @Altai

    Indians in the USA are breathtakingly destructive.

    As if we didn’t have enough troubles..

    Importing more, as fast as we can.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. Jake says:
    @40 Lashes Less One

    It reads like the truth it is. Just in the section Steve quotes above, there are a host of things that not only need to be understood on their own, but understood also as having inherent implications.

    That basic Jacksonian alliance is a ‘national’ expression of the basic political/cultural pattern of Southern states: Anglo-Normans, almost always from the Celtic fringe of western England or from the other Celtic fringe of northern England, working with as equals who are respected, not working against, the primarily Scotch-Irish (lots of northern and western England as well, and Welsh) frontiersmen, who became Jefferson’s yeoman farmers (100% essential to the Republic, according to Jefferson) and the middle class townspeople 0f the South and the lower midwest.

    Neither part of that alliance worshipped money, and neither hated the other, nor envied the other. Individuals certainly did, but as groups, they were respectful allies. The richer did not despise and prey upon the poorer.

    The New England political culture is a vicious economic culture that preys upon ‘other’ whites because they are not WASP. That never changed with a loss of actual Calvinist or any other Protestant theology, because it is a product of Judiazing heresy. Jews remain Jews as atheists or Deists or Unitarians or Buddhists or Anglicans or even Moslems. Same with WASPs. But it is not primarily about genes. It is about cultural identity. And that cultural identity is permanently imperialistic.

    ‘Yankee’ is a term that specifically refers to New England Puritans and their increasingly Deist/Unitarian/Universalist/agnostic/atheist descendants in the 18th and 19th centuries. And what non-WASP whites condemned in Yankees sounds almost exactly like what white Christians have always condemned in Jews (especially Ashkenazi Jews). As WASP culture requires the birth from Judaizing heresy, that makes perfect sense. It was inherent and inevitable.

    Woke as new form of the WASP’s 19th gentility that created the Numinous Negro to use as weapon and tool with which to batter non-WASP whites is exactly right.

  63. Jake says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    That you do not know who Morris was tells ho thoroughly almost all things Southern have have been erased. That erasing came because Southern, as Lind knows and not just from Presidents, is the leader of all opposition to things WASP, that were born of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    WASP culture always has been philoSemitic, and imperial WASP culture has been bankrolled by Jews since archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell.

  64. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos

    Many rich WASPs thought replacing Catholic ethnics with non-union black labor in the inner cities would free them from New Deal constraints.

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  65. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    The U.S. in 1860 was close to being the world’s most affluent country, exceeded only by Britain and Australia (and in re them not by much). The population of the U.S. was close to that of France, the Hapsburg Monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan and much exceeded only by that of Russia, British India, and China.

    What was the standard of living of African American slaves, in comparison to that of Europe and these other regions?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @Art Deco
  66. AndrewR says:
    @Altai

    Why did it cut out in the middle of the sentence? Bringing up her kids was sleaxy but nothing he said can be reasonably construed as a “threat.” Yet it got pver 11,000 RTs. MAGAts really are dumber than rocks.

    Also it’s hilarious that you think that guy is Indian.

  67. The article mentions the Federal government’s favoring the South and West over what became the Rust Belt. Trillions of dollars were pulled from the Northeast and Midwest, from the Roosevelt Administration on, and put into defense industries and infrastructure. This was at the expense of the Northeast and Midwest and the industries that built that region, like the auto and steel industries. It was funny seeing some people in California wanting to secede because, for the first time in a long time, California paid more to the Federal Government than it got back. For the Northeast and Midwest, this has been true for 3/4 of a century.

  68. @Polistra

    So the United States House now has a caucus of ululators to hector remnants of its native population for some reason.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  69. ganderson says:
    @Polistra

    Boss wheels! Probably had the MOPAR push-button shifter, too.

    • Replies: @mmack
  70. Trinity says:

    You mean Woodrow Wilson and FDR were not heavily influenced by the J-people?

    White Southerners still can only claim two modern day Presidents. I really don’t think Texas is a REAL Southern state, it is more Western than Southern but IF you want to count Texas, we have had 3 modern day Presidents who were Southern. All 3 were terrible and might has well been born and bred in New England. Anyone remember that old fossil Strom Thurmond, it came out later that Strom had a mixed race daughter. haha. What a HYPOCRITE PHONY. That ties in with the recent Black woman/White male article.

    White Southern males are easily the most discriminated against demographic in America, and the Jewish stranglehold on America is OBVIOUS for all but the most dimwitted or drug addled out there. That is the REAL America of 2020 and has been for the last 60 plus years.

  71. Jake says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Modern Media begins with the printing press. The first social/political/revolutionary movement to use the press was the Reformation. And even by then Jews per capita dominated printing. Those Jews in early Mass Media were necessary to the spread of Reformation ideas and politics. A number of Jewish printers worked for no profit to promote Reformation; others worked for barebones profit, less than they would take for any other kind of printing.

    Why did Jews in Mass Media support the Reformation? Why did they usually chose to make no, or very little, money supporting the Reformation?

  72. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    ‘ Kamala Harris the Vice-President elect. ‘

    – She should know all about ‘vice’.

  73. Arclight says:

    I wouldn’t call the Great Awokening a new gentility – it’s rage. My sense is that a lot of the wokitariat realized that despite the elimination of legal discrimination, massive wealth transfers via the social welfare system, and widespread use of affirmative action, the great majority of black Americans are not substantially better off relative to whites than they were 60 years ago. Rather than accept the obvious conclusion that we reached the limits of what social interventions could do a long time ago, they invented a new sky-god called White Supremacy that can be invoked as needed to explain away persistent cultural and economic gaps.

    It is hard to ignore that a hugely disproportionate share of the leaders in this are Jewish. Obviously there is a long history of Jewish intellectuals playing footsie or outright sharing a bed with Marxism, and the BLM movement is just another iteration of that, rather than some sort of projection based on embarrassment of other Jews. Like the behavior of blacks, the Jewish educated class’s fondness for Marxism is something the establishment works very hard at not noticing.

  74. @Hibernian

    Always liked your comments, Hibernian. You will be missed.

  75. ivan says:
    @Altai

    Indians certainly can give the Jews a run for the money.

  76. George says:

    “between 1861 and 1933 was a Republican mainline Protestant from the North or Midwest. ”
    I think, from 1861 to 1900 the president was a union civil war vet or Grover Cleveland, Teddy was a Spanish American war veteran. North+Midwest was where all the people lived. FDR was governor of NY. So I don’t think the data actually matches the theory.

    If the Johnnies Get Into Power Again (James A. Garfield)

  77. Trinity says:

    When did the leftist fascists adopt the term “woke?” IF I am not mistaken, wasn’t it the alt right that came up with the term “woke?”

    Like the term, “liberal”, the term “woke” is the antithesis of its original meaning. Not that I am a huge fan of Trumptards, but the average Trumptard is far more liberal than those leftist fascists out there. And the average Trumptard is even more “woke” than those CONFORMISTS DWEEBS in BLM and Antifa. These USEFUL IDIOTS marching with BLM and Antifa are actually fighting for the man, fighting for the system that enslaves them. haha. Lets be cool and stick it to the man by fighting for the man. My gawd, what a bunch of retards. But then again, the white traitor trash in Antifa is full of PRIVILEGED Jews and Whites who want to adopt nonwhites as pets. They grew up in rich all white neighborhoods and told black jokes at the dinner table. They think it is their calling to lead Black folk against the man.

    Hey, even Muhammad Ali’s son claimed that Ali would have denounced BLM as “racist” and Ali’s son himself claimed he didn’t support BLM. Truth of the matter is that Ali would be befriended by White Nationalists and Ali, a separatist himself, would have far more in common with WNs than BLM.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  78. Travis says:

    The Great Awokening was instigated due to having a Black President. When the United States elected a Black President it demonstrated to many that racism was not really significant in America anymore. America was clearly not very racist. We elected a Black president and the press adored him….For the media, the election of Barack Obama heralded an era of “postracialism” in the United States. The election, and Obama himself, has given this term social capital worthy of deep consideration…..yet the election of Obama did not end black pathology, the gaps remained….so they could not stick to the narrative that Obama ushered in a post-racial America.

    while the media and the elite were praising themselves for electing the first Black President, it was still obvious that the gaps between blacks and whites had not diminished. Thus the only conclusion was that despite the end of racism, and 50 years of affirmative action, Blacks were not much better-off than they were 50 years ago , prior to all the civil rights legislation and affirmative action.

    Far from accomplishing a simplistic and idealistic end to discourses of race in America, postracialism has served to reify public racial obsession. This is to avoid a truthful dialogue about race. If we can’t blame black pathology on racism , we must conclude that they are inferior to other races. If we cannot blame whites for black poverty, crime and stupidity we are left with only one conclusion….which cannot be discussed in public.

    Thus the narrative has quickly shifted back to blaming systemic racism, because we refuse to look at reality. Ending segregation did not close the gaps, head-start and affirmative action did not close the gaps. Even the end of “racism” evident in the election of Obama did not close the gaps. So they had to double down on systemic racism and started blaming things like red-lining for continued Black pathology. So if the end of evident racism did nothing to help Blacks what is the cause of their pathology ? Must be “hidden” “systemic” racism because open visible racism has vanished.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  79. Jake says:
    @Hibernian

    Nope. But we all have read many of the same things over the years. And we all have seen things that most pass by because they are caught up tightly in the narrative that WASP democracy must be a good thing in and of itself. That means they have an ideology that is a very hard nut to crack.

    All ideologies have a small number of True Believers and a much larger number of True Acceptors. Both, for different reasons, are glued to the ideology and with very few exceptions can be separated from it only when the physical entity crumbles.

    The True Acceptors of Sovietism remained True Acceptors until the USSR collapsed. They saw Solzhenitsyn as pernicious, and only after the collapse could any number of them begin to use their eyes and ears to see the horrors, even horrors against their kith and kin, that defined the Soviet State.

    WASP Empire is an ideology. It is born from the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which remade the older Anglo-Norman sense of right to rule large swaths of ‘France’ into a Chosen Race to rule the world: British Empire, or, as it is best described, Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    The Anglosphere is filled with white people who are True Acceptors. What people like me, Jones, and Lind attempt tp do is shake a few of them free from their mental and emotional attachments to the thing that has enthralled them (literally): Anglo-Zionism.

    And you can’t do that by having any affinity for WASPs and WASPs culture, because they are part and parcel 0f Anglo-Zionism. If you must have some sense of English cultural definition for yourself, then it must be pre-Reformation Medieval, or you keep adding to your own chains.

  80. The New Deal revolution of the 1930s is badly misunderstood, both politically and culturally, when it is treated as a left-wing rebellion against right-wing capitalism. Fundamentally it represented the partial overthrow of Yankee Protestant hegemony in American society by a coalition of outsiders, chiefly provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic.

    Guided by Jews?

    • Agree: LondonBob
  81. J.Ross says:
    @Altai

    Aiyash is a Yemeni Arab. You’re right but your example doesn’t work. Nu-Tramck is mostly Bangla and Yemeni and I don’t think they mix. The disgusting filth Aiyash was joined by wealthy Ann Arborite Unstable Ted Staebler in threatening children under cover of criticizing racism in order to force election certification. Happily the Republican state officials have thought it over and resumed refusing to certify the clearly fraudulent election results.

  82. @Reg Cæsar

    And yet the public polls keep claiming that Whitmer remains popular. I just don’t get it

  83. FPD72 says:

    OT — the hate hoax hits just keep on coming. This perpetrator is being charged with insurance fraud for stupidly filing an insurance claim after defacing his own car.

    https://www.wgrz.com/mobile/article/news/crime/owner-of-car-spray-painted-vehicle-with-racist-and-homophobic-graffiti-facing-insurance-fraud-charges/71-cd228743-2c03-4dec-97bf-f079bf608cbe

  84. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    It’s not surprising that the two most God addled populations on the planet, Puritans and Jews, populations convinced that they were specially chosen by God, should have descendants absolutely convinced that they know better than everyone else, and absolutely determined to make Heaven here on Earth.

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
  85. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s a coalition to take down white people, or more accurately the white race. White women get no special dispensation.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  86. dvorak says:
    @syonredux

    At the same time, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, Italian American by ancestry but woke by culture

    The mayor is Italian by stepfather, not by ancestry. His birth name was Warren Wilhelm, Jr. His childhood nickname was Kooky Kaiser, (made that last part up).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  87. @Reg Cæsar

    The Dutch inWest Michigan and in Northwest Iowa are also a very strong voting block for social conservatism. Professors and professionals in that community typically defect to the left and the politicians in those areas are often squishes but the old Yorker stereotype sometimes fits with the Dutch

  88. Sean says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Of course, the Soviet Union was the main obstacle. So, the outright Reds had to be rooted out of the government. Joe McCarthy was a Johnny-come-lately to the game, by the way: Truman got the Red-hunting going.

    There were Soviet agents, but I think the loss of China was the tremendous shock to America. It negated everything they had been working on, and had occurred through wooly minded progressives hired under FDR seeing in the CCP what they wanted to see. The aforementioned innocents abroad ‘China Hands’ in the State Department had depicted China as a society similar to England inasmuch it was moving toward the egalitarian model of America, and the CCP as a home of progressives, all this was brought up by McCarthy. A Nationalist morale collapse following the US cutting off aid in 1947 led to 1949.

    However the greatest unwitting CCP agent of influence may have been the NYT theatre critic Brooks Atkinson. He had got himself sent to China in WW2 as a war correspondent. Atkinson came to view the Chinese Communists as benign, democratic and receiving no help from Stalin; the Times article about his visit to the area Mao controlled: “Yenan, a Chinese Wonderland City”. When General Stilwell was recalled from China in 1944, Atkinson portrayed Stilwell as a victim of a corrupt regime, sparking the beginning of anti-Chiang Kai-shek feeling among US policymakers that culminated in the 1947 ceasing of American assistance to Nationalist Chinese forces in the Chinese Civil War.

    Deciphering of State Department communications convinced Stalin the US did not consider Korea a vital area and to allow Old Kim’s proposed invasion if he could get Mao’s support to expel the US from the peninsula. It was February 1950 when McCarthy made the Wheeling, West Virginia speech accusing the State Department of having 200 communists working for it. In June 1950 the Korean war started.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  89. Apple says:
    @Altai

    “racism” is anything that offends non-whites. That is the real definition of racism. Yes, anti-racism means natives acting against their own interest. open borders or foreigners committing crime.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  90. dvorak says:
    @Steve Sailer

    they were all over the place. Charles Portis, Dan Jenkins, Ray Blount, etc.

    Roy Blount, Jr., later wrote a nice, slim, personality-study biography of Robert E. Lee.

  91. Charles says:

    Is Steve not going to mention the death of Paul Hornung? It’s not of special interest to me; I’m just curious why Steve would leave Paul out.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  92. @syonredux

    The Long Island lockjaw accent has been replaced by the constantly updated “woke” dialect of the emerging American elite as a status marker.

    And who made it a status marker? Those with the power to do so, i.e., the Jewish community and its extended phenotype.

  93. @Wilkey

    1619 poison pill working as intended.

    First they reduce our God-given rights to mere religious cut outs, then They cut the legs out from under the rationale for those religious cut outs.

  94. @Altai

    Indo- gaining on European.

  95. FredR says:

    Michael Lind is attempting the standard rightwing Jiu-Jitsu of telling the Left that they’re the intolerant, bigoted ones after all, but his thesis seems very weak to me. The throughline he discusses between Yankee Republican cultural hegemony in the 19th century and progressive cultural hegemony in the 21st is really just that both are aggressive and dominant movements. I don’t see much connection in terms of actual ideology or ancestry.

    The interesting thing about our current scene in historical perspective is that whereas in earlier American history, cultural pressure was more often applied by ‘Core America’ against the fringes, now the fringes hold the cultural heights, and are more often the ones applying pressure against the remains of the Core, ‘Erstwhile America.’ Obviously you’ve discussed this a lot, but a good in-depth statistical exploration of how this relationship evolved in the 19th/early 20th centuries can be found in Paul Kleppner’s works.

  96. JimDandy says:

    “My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.”

    You nailed it, Steve. But I wonder what my Woke friends’ thought processes are when I make them notice said ungenteel truths about blacks. There must be a part of the processes where they acknowledge that I’m right, which, perhaps, they try to make amends for by doubling down on vocal Wokeness.

  97. jb says:

    OT, but from The Daily Beast: Mexican People Smugglers Celebrate the End of Trump and Say Biden Immigrant Surge Is Already Underway

    Interestingly, it’s written in a rather neutral and straightforward way.

  98. @Reg Cæsar

    Has anyone compared the amount of damage those did to that of Gen Sherman and his marchers? The Watauga and South Holston Dams pushed over a thousand families out of their homes, for example.

    I don’t know the situation now but from its inception until the last time I checked criticizing the TVA anywhere near the vicinity of where it operated would get a stranger in a lot of hot water. The flood control and rural electrification that the TVA brought was a god send for people who’d suffered the ravages of rural poverty and been neglected since before the Civil War. They regarded the TVA as a Santa Claus, not a Sherman.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  99. @Polistra

    You forgot the Mayflower Moving Company … long distance movers — been around since their founding in 1927.

  100. @Ben tillman

    It’s a coalition to take down white people, or more accurately the white race. White women get no special dispensation.

    But most women are too self-involved and neurotic to realize such things. Extending the franchise to women was one of the significant milestones on the road to self-destruction, down which European civilization is careening.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  101. @Dieter Kief

    adorno et al’s polemical style comes from kraus

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  102. @Altai

    Pretty sure this guy’s family is from Yemen, not India.

  103. prosa123 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A large number of witnesses and “persons of interest” related to the JFK assassination died in the first few years afterward. According to a prominent London insurance firm, the odds of this happening were 30 trillion to 1.

    The “death list” is hardly suspicious under careful examination, and there’s also the question that the great majority of the people died after giving their testimony to the Warren Commission.
    https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/deaths.htm

    CIA agent E. Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession, which implicated President Lyndon B. Johnson and various CIA officers (including himself).

    His “deathbed” confession occurred three years before he took a dirt nap and when he was in a barely lucid state.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  104. ‘Their ancestors having undergone “The Ordeal of Civility” (as John Murray Cuddihy phrased it), they are now appalled by those who remind them of their ancestors, such as less genteel Jews like the Sephardics, Israelis, fundamentalists, ex-Soviets and so forth’

    yeah well if this cuddihy’s theory in his book, he pilfered it from adorno and horkheimer — since this is their actual nietzschean-derived theory of the mechanism of anti-semitism itself, stretching down into the prehistory. that is: hatred or disgust of the older, supplanted humanity in the course of social development is conceived of as a vital element of civilization itself, as a civilizing function. “ordeal of civility”? or dialectic of enlightenment, indeed

    as archetypal behavior, it can apply as much as to jews as to anyone else (certainly to immigrant irishmen) but obviously finds its quintessential expression when directed at the jews — as the socially weak inaugurators of much of the theological and psychosocial bases of western “christian” civilization

  105. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Speaking of Yankee Protestants, this week marks the 400th anniversary of the arrival of the Mayflower at Plymouth.

    I live near Plymouth. Thanks for letting me know because with local media coverage of it I would’ve assumed it was just some Wampanoag anniversary.

    The Boston Globe has been pushing this book in articles on the 400th anniversary:

    • Agree: Wilkey
  106. *Puritans* (not Protestants) with their allies since Cromwell’s time – the Jews.

  107. My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.

    While Protestants make up a lot of the foot soliders, I think many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews.

    I find it hard to believe, if Steve means current troubles. Who are those people who supposedly manipulate …whom? BLM & Antifa & media bunch?

    10-15 names who are the most prominent in this all.

    All I can see is fight between globalists who are here in for quick bucks & who- although it was not necessary- fight an ideological war against historical America- and “nationalists” (to call it that) who want US to remain the global hegemon (as much as it is possible), while retaining her historical identity. Can’t see any clearly defined ethnicity & regional identity in that struggle.

    Quick bucks & apres moi le deluge.

  108. Fascinating article. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

  109. ladderff_ says:

    Is there anything in Lind’s essay that he couldn’t have lifted from Mencius Moldbug thirteen years ago?

  110. @Arclight

    “ather than accept the obvious conclusion that we reached the limits of what social interventions could do a long time ago, they invented a new sky-god called White Supremacy that can be invoked as needed to explain away persistent cultural and economic gaps”

    The consequence of monotheism / slave morality.

  111. Key players are always seen as a problem, in the eyes of their political opponents.

    When the mothers of such players happen to be Jewish, which is often the case, the perceived severity of the problem rises to an existential level.

  112. @Arclight

    The great awokening is a rage against the realization that ending racism will not reduce inequality and no matter that what we do the gaps cannot be closed.

    When we ended segregation many hoped the gaps would start to close…then we instituted affirmative action to boost blacks , then the government scientists informed us that race does not exist , we banned hate speech and eliminated racism and elected a Black President to start a new post-racial America

    So they are enraged, since all their policies to close the gaps has failed. They realize nothing can be done to close the gaps. So they invent systemic racism as the cause of Black deficiencies. Systemic racism is invisible yet permeates across the land to keep blacks poor, stupid and prone to criminality. There is no known remedy for this invisible force. Blacks are powerless against it. It degrades their Intelligence and impulse control while making them prone to violence. So the left rage against society for allowing systemic racism to permeate across America. Yet they offer no solutions on how to eliminate this insidious force which is hard to observe and more difficult to eliminate.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @Poco
  113. Brutusale says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I just finished this book, recommended to me by a neighbor’s son.

    Investigations into CIA/FBI involvement in our lives is something polite society derides as worthy of tinfoil hats, but then you read something like this painstakingly researched book and realize that we’re not paranoid enough.

    The author was on Joe Rogan’s show.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Alden
  114. Sean says:

    Trump lost white males and gained elsewhere, so identity politics declined during his term.

    In short, Southern and Western politicians and their Northern white ethnic allies who dominated the federal government in the New Deal era deployed federal state capitalism to do an end run around unsympathetic Yankee capitalists, not to advance toward socialism or social democracy.

    The New Deal National Industrial Recovery Act was basically cartelisation. The existing big players benefited, so did most of those who had already a job Greater profits and wages and more unemployment was the result. The Agricultural Adjustment Act benefited those farmers who had not gone broke, but meant higher prices for the consumer. Business does not like competition very much.

    My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.

    While Protestants make up a lot of the foot soldiers, I think many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews.

    Jews are becoming less and less Jewish by ancestry, maybe these relatively dim Jews assume they are entitled to more that they are getting. To my way of thinking race is the outer defence perimeter, and relating intelligence research to social class is the real taboo, because the upper middle class are to an unprecedented extent genetically superior to the rest of society (result of increased opportunities for associative mating).

    Associative mating is increasing among white gentiles and dwindling among Ashkenazi Jews. I think it is now the white gentile upper middle class who instinctively know that open discussion of this subject by the lower orders of society is not a good idea. The smart are dwindling numerically as they get smarter and more economically successful with every generation, which is unstable in a society where everyone has a vote. What merit is their in being intelligent and conscientious if that is nothing you earned but merely the result of being born with certain genes? Whiteness privilege is a stand in for the real systemic force that is responsible for inequality.

  115. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous

    The Wampanoags are a daily double in Woke Culture. Let’s just say that there’s been a thinning of the tribe’s bloodlines over the past 400 years. The leader of the tribal council is blacker than our black former governor.

    https://www.tauntongazette.com/story/news/2020/09/28/twin-sisters-sue-wampanoag-tribe-over-disputed-membership/114538496/

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  116. @Brutusale

    i thought that was the Slapaho Tribe?

    • LOL: Rob McX
  117. Arclight says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The fact that white supremacy cannot actually be measured and that gaps persist is a feature, not a bug. It gives the people whose instinct is to rule others and endless excuse to exercise massive cultural, political and economic power against the people they don’t like, all in the name of the greater good.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Dissident
  118. Not Raul says:

    Steve, I found what Lind had to say brilliant.

    I’m not sure that I agree with your statement here:

    they [non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews] are now appalled by those who remind them of their ancestors, such as less genteel Jews like the Sephardics, Israelis, fundamentalists, ex-Soviets and so forth.

    This would seem to conflict with recent anti-BDS legislation, the witch-hunt against Corbyn, and the cancellation of critics of Israeli policy like Norman Finkelstein, and Valentina Azarova.

    https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/

  119. @Charles

    Sadly,before he can enter heaven,he has to sit out a year in limbo.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Hibernian
    , @anon
  120. mmack says:
    @ganderson

    Push button Torqueflite with Torsion-Aire suspension and dynamic Forward Look styling. 👍🏻

  121. Most New Deal Democratic politicians were not anti-capitalist or opposed to industry. They often represented socially conservative local business elites who resented the fact that Northern bankers often would only finance infrastructure projects in the South and West that locked those regions into their assigned roles as resource colonies for factories in the Midwest and Northeast.

    A cynic may also point out that all of this represented Roosevelt dumping a large amount of money into parts of the country that wouldn’t normally support him. Buying votes.

  122. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Philip Roth grasped the Jewish sensibility:

    “Why this preoccupation with irresolvable conflict? Don’t you want a new mental life?”
    -Maria, dumping Zukerman, in Philip Roth’s “The Counterlife.”

    “Dissension and contentiousness….put a spring in your heel,” says Maria.

    This manner of thought, this habit of speech, this philosophy, has now expanded to encompass the entire Left. They will now argue with you – metaphor alert – about whether it would be better to live in Haiti or in Norway.

  123. @Jake

    Martin Luther liked them Jews a lot – and said so (as long as he thought that they’d eventually abandon their religion and accept the superiority of the Protestant (quite rational, Luther thought) faith. – The rational (modern) Protestantism was (well – is, isn’t it?) better suited to our times – not least compared to the otherworldly dark, unsystematic, illogical, idiosyncratic, medieval and/or ancient Talmud…

  124. OT
    Durham – meh, but Giuliani (and Sidney Powell) just now put on a helluva press conference. The Fox follow-up so far seems to be mostly cold water – which Rudy might have welcomed given frequent wiping of his diaphoretic dome – which made Nixon’s sweaty upper lip look like the Atacama. IMHO DJT’s chances skyrocketed to something like 5%.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  125. Kronos says:
    @Dieter Kief

    h yeah, it’s almost as if there’d be some kind of real problems – shortcomings, (self)deceptions, and insufficiencies out there.

    True, but I was thinking that any welfare blacks forced to relocate over there would be mad about the lack of government benefits in rural communities. The cities have bigger tax bases especially in New York City. If you had a dying town a surge of welfare blacks into it would make a bad situation all the more worse.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  126. @Polistra

    It’s complete horseshit.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  127. @dreydl smasher

    Theodor W. Adorno – hehe – adored Karl Kraus in his younger days, but – as so many (Ernst Bloch, Elias Canetti, Thomas Mann, Franz Werfel, Eckhard Henscheid, Jonathan Franzen…) at one point checked how obsessed and repetitious (and boring, too) he became. Plus – Kraus sided for some time even with the right-wing Austrian Fascists of Engelbert Dollfuß who were quite antisemitic, by the way. – He truly was a character though – a walking contradiction / partly truth and partly fiction, as the bard sums these kinds of touchingly humane errors of an enormously productive writer up.

    (I came as a teenager into – literally – close reading contact with a man who said, that he’d be rather a Kraus imitation than one of the living contemporary writers in the original. – Herman L. Gremliza, a Suebian editor and main writing force of the leftist monthly Konkret in Hamburg – Gremliza passed away in 2019 after 45 years at the masthead of the magazine. He too had become repetitious and a tad bitter in the end).

  128. @Whiskey

    Boyd & Richerson, relying heavily on van Creveld, have written some great stuff on the Wehrmacht.

  129. My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.

    This. I’ve always noticed the element of sheer perversity in the goodwhite determination, against all odds, to anoint the blacks of ALL people with such supposed dignity and rectitude, etc, and to make their comfort and self-esteem, above any other group’s, a cause for historic concern and the most bitter self-recrimination.

    The Christian theme of there being glory in disregarding one’s own interests and suffering thereby has always seemed to be more pronounced in Protestantism, so I bet you’re right that there’s always been some deep Puritan-type of origin for our goodwhite motivation to crusade for the the African. As the most incapable and antagonistic race, there’s always going to be a lot of thankless suffering in the course of any missionary work done there, and thus endless opportunities to luxuriate in the perversity of the fact that our selfless devotion to their cause accrues no gratitude – indeed in our own eyes deserves no reciprocation – and, most saintly of all, materially disadvantages our own side.

    That the African is the most clearly removed and alien race from us also makes all the more perverse – and so in Puritan-Protestant feeling the more righteous – the crusade to declare equality between white and black and block out of the truth of race differences.

    tl,dr Blame our Puritan-Protestant heritage for much of the goodwhite tendency to forget our own interests and deny reality itself in the service black interests.

  130. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    Aren’t you the same “Anonymous[153]” that gives me crap about using E Micheal Jones resource material? I think we’ve done this dance three times already. I still recommend the book if you haven’t read it already.

  131. @Whiskey

    There is a Youtube channel called Visualizing History that had a presentation on why the Wehrmacht did not collapse in 1944 like the Allies expected it to, whereas the German Imperial Army essentially collapsed in July 1918 and fought only defensively thereafter.

    Interesting video. Good insights on unit cohesion that apply to any group trying to get stuff done.

    Hopefully, however, we aren’t in the same position as the Wehrmacht in 1944, punching above our weight in a lost cause.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  132. Off topic but important:

    Here is the Washington Post finally realizing the humidity/COVID thing, nine months after I started hammering on it:

    “This winter, fight covid-19 with humidity”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/18/winter-covid-19-humidity/

    • Replies: @Yngvar
  133. @anon

    There is still a Northern WASP core (if not “establishment”), they are just located out West now, from Washington to California to Colorado and Arizona. They descend into kookier and kookier ideas in their new locations.

  134. Does religion matter any more? Other than Christmas and Easter my church is far from full. Only a handfull of Catholic high schools and elementary schools left in WNY when there had been hundreds. Clinton, Bush and Obama did not seem to be particularily religious.Don’t know if Trump claims to belong to any church.Is Harris a Christian? Does Biden practice a faith? The only time I can remember religion coming up in political discussion is when a new member was proposed for the Supreme Court. Then it’s all hands on deck because the jurist might be a Papist, like anyone listens to Francis.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Prosa123
  135. @Jake

    They lost money on every sale, but they made it up in volume.

  136. @Kronos

    I’ve spent some time in Detroit. It was interesting. Not even too scary. But truly otherworldly. I hitchhiked into town and the first lift I got in Detroit was from a few stoned lads who came back from prison where they’d picked up one of their friends who was now out on parole. The upholstery of the car was partly ripped off, the handle of the window in the back seat was missing, some cables came out of the dashboard…- and “reefer” everywhere. The staring faces of middle-aged exhausted women in the morning, when I rode the bus being the only white person in it… I grew up in a Badenian village, where nobody with the exception of the truly unable would not work in the daytime – or at least go to school or to church or to a funeral…It doesn’t have to be that way, alright, I’m well aware of that…

    • Replies: @Kronos
  137. Svevlad says:

    Yes, but what happens when you mix up even more sides? Now you got the neoliberal wokeist northeasterners, the west coast urbanite some-sort-of-left-progressive wokeists, the latins, the southern whites, the blacks, the entire “flyover country”… They’re all gonna be at eachother’s necks

  138. @Father O'Hara

    Is Steve not going to mention the death of Paul Hornung? It’s not of special interest to me; I’m just curious why Steve would leave Paul out.

    Sadly, before he can enter heaven,he has to sit out a year in limbo.

    You’d think that ten Decembers in Green Bay, Wisconsin would cover that requirement. Though he didn’t stick around for the Ice Bowl, and presumably died with all his fingers and toes.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  139. Kronos says:
    @Dieter Kief

    That does sound pretty cool actually. Was this during the Coleman Young era?

    If I was in Detroit now, I’d likely be busy making funny memes for friends and family like this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  140. @Dieter Kief

    Well, you have to admit that all satirists, after some time, exhaust themselves (even the best of them). They are too much irritated by human stupidity & simply are not intelligent enough to try to disentangle hidden human &social forces & motives.

    That goes, in my opinion, for all of them, including Swift.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  141. @Jus' Sayin'...

    I don’t know the situation now but from its inception until the last time I checked criticizing the TVA anywhere near the vicinity of where it operated would get a stranger in a lot of hot water.

    Is that why they stopped voting Republican? At least for twenty years. They got better.

  142. @Kronos

    If I was in Detroit now, I’d likely be busy making funny memes for friends and family like this.

    Our own Pamplona!

    • LOL: Kronos
  143. @Ben tillman

    Yep. There were a lot of bad polling and exit polls that many commentators are still using to evaluate the election.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  144. Hibernian says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Purgatory is more like it, although he already served one year in the form of the gambling suspension. Lombardi granted him absolution.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  145. Hibernian says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The problem in some people’s minds is that they’ll heed the words of the ones before Francis. Or Sister Mary who taught fourth grade Catechism.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  146. My impression is the Great Awokening is a sort of post-Protestant new gentility that worships blacks precisely because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice / mention ungenteel truths about blacks.

    The important word here is “post-Protestant”. Surprisingly, “Mainline” Protestantism (i.e. the conventional non-evangelical denominations) has undergone a collapse over the last 40 years.

    Mainline Protestants have become people of “no religion” – but what this really means is conformity to the modern “woke” religion that has given up God, Jesus and the hereafter to focus its attention on important matters such as the occasional death of a career criminal while resisting arrest.

    This is a profound social change, and it will prove as important to the USA as the loss of church-going Catholicism has been to Ireland. A genuine concern for “social justice” – which at one time meant a better deal for the poor – would be no bad thing; but instead, the new “no religion” will carefully select ethno-masochistic causes for the maximum possible disruption to the USA. And yes, while the foot-solders are former Protestants, most of the leaders of the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews.

    It is noticeable, and unhealthy, that while mainstream writers are comfortable talking about the ethnic (and specifically Jewish) dimension of American politics 100 years ago, at the same time they maintain a taboo over the same subject in the present day.

  147. J.Ross says:
    @Polistra

    Thing is, we’re still getting screwed by this situation of the parties working together to relieve pressure on themselves to actually deliver anything: any sane informed person will take Kushner any day of the week over Joe Biden.

  148. Prosa123 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The decline in Catholic schools, especially at the elementary school level, is due in large part to declining numbers of nuns. For generations the schools relied on nuns as teachers and paid them next to nothing. With fewer and fewer nuns available the schools had to hire teachers who weren’t members of religious orders and pay them normal salaries. Many of the schools were no longer financially viable, or they had to raise tuition to levels fewer and fewer families could afford.

  149. red6020 says:

    The New Deal revolution of the 1930s is badly misunderstood, both politically and culturally, when it is treated as a left-wing rebellion against right-wing capitalism. Fundamentally it represented the partial overthrow of Yankee Protestant hegemony in American society by a coalition of outsiders, chiefly provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic.

    This is only true to an extent. The populist critique of monopolistic capitalism was more popular in the South and West precisely because that monopolistic capitalist system overlooked the interests of those regions and used them exploitatively. That’s true. And… it was still a populist backlash.

    What’s completely bonkers though is that the New Left was or the current consensus is some sort of continuation or outgrowth of the New Deal. That’s just ahistorical looney-bin territory.

    The current Left consensus arose in the ’50s and ’60s and really took over in Washington with the “Watergate babies” elected in 1974. And ALL they were all were in agreement that the New Deal was out-of-date, backwards, racist, sexist, etc. The Watergate Babies threw all the New Dealers out on their ears. They had a completely different conception of politics and society. The two groups didn’t really speak the same language.

    One good thing about reading books like Matt Stoller’s Goliath is seeing this laid out in print.

    The whole “New Deal lead to cultural marxism” thesis feels like a way to shield a certain well-heeled, specially-protected ethnic group from criticism.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  150. I like Lind’s essay and agree with much of it, but one quibble I have is with his description of America’s recent literary history:

    The New Deal era also witnessed the downfall of the post-Civil War New England/Midwestern hegemony in American literature and culture. Following World War I, advanced intellectuals ridiculed the Puritan tradition in New England and its offshoot, the upper Midwest, home of Sinclair Lewis’ Babbitt and Sherwood Anderson’s Winesburg, Ohio. …

    The postwar literary world underwent an ethnic succession, in which many white Southerners—including Willie Morris, Tom Wolfe, William Styron, Gore Vidal, and Truman Capote—together with Jewish writers and intellectuals like Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, and many others shouldered aside Northeastern WASP professors and novelists and purged the American literary canon of New Englanders like Longfellow, Whittier, and the Fireside Poets.

    The first major American literary figure to mock the Puritan tradition was H. L. Mencken, but he did so after WW1 and from a Teutonic perspective that never really caught on with most Americans for obvious reasons.

    But Mencken appreciated the Yankee literary lineage as long as it attacked itself. He championed Sinclair Lewis, Sherwood Anderson, Willa Cather, Theodore Dreiser, Eugene O’Neill and F. Scott Fitzgerald, as well as other midwestern writers who mocked American social mores.

    Cather was born in the south, but raised in the midwest. Fitzgerald was Catholic, but raised in Minnesota and educated at Princeton. O’Neill was also Catholic and of Irish descent, but born in New York and raised in New England. Like Fitzgerald, he attended Princeton but dropped out for some unknown reason.

    But the rest were entirely midwestern in birth and outlook, and they were widely read by anyone interested in American literature at the time and for many years afterwards. In fact, Mencken mocked the southern contribution to American letters in The Sahara of the Bozart.

    I also must protest Gore Vidal being included as a southern writer. Vidal had southerners among his extended family on his mother’s side, most famously his distant cousin Al Gore and his maternal grandfather Oklahoma Senator Thomas Gore (who was born in Mississippi), but Vidal himself was born in New York, baptized as an Episcopalian, and educated in those New England prep schools that were, and are, a permanent part of the Washington DC landscape. He’s not a southerner.

  151. CCR says:

    You guys need to read up on the protestant social gospel movement of the mid-1800s. It came along before the Jews were infected by “Tikkun Olam”.

    • Agree: Alden
  152. njguy73 says:
    @Hibernian

    No, if Paul Hornung wants to get into Heaven, he’ll have to answer to the highest authority there.

    Pete Rozelle.

  153. syonredux says:
    @Hibernian

    That might destroy the space-time continuum…..

  154. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    “While they owned others, but that’s not part of our narrative today, kids. ”

    Let it be part of our narrative today, Mike: As Howard Sachar chronicled in A History of the Jews in America, Jews had to found their own businesses, from street peddling to law and finance firms, because the WASPS locked them out of theirs.

  155. @guest

    We should take Oswald’s death for granted? Is it normal for a presidential assassin to be given such light security that he is then killed by a mafia-connected nightclub owner? Is it normal that the aforementioned nightclub owner then blames the Vice-President for being behind the assassination?

    That dog won’t hunt.

  156. fnn says:
    @Prosa123

    My guess is that the few nuns left are mostly Marxist lesbians.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  157. @prosa123

    He sounds pretty lucid in the video.

    The problem is this. Former marine Oswald kills JFK. Mafia-connected Ruby (who didn’t vote and hated Bobby Kennedy) then murders Oswald. Catatonic Sirhan Sirhan then kills RFK.

    That’s not suspicious?

  158. Neoconned says:
    @Prosa123

    I want to send my daughter to Catholic School. The NOLA region has lots of Catholic Schools….but are they worth it? I went to a 85%+ white public school but that was 25 yrs ago….

    I’ve heard ALL THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS in my region are trash now.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  159. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    The woke left not only demanded the removal of statues of Confederate traitors—a perfectly reasonable demand—but also targeted Columbus, the icon of Italian Americans, and Spanish Catholic saints and conquistadors.

    The Woke, in their Maoist frenzy, also targeted statues of Union Civil War heroes like Hans Christian Heg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Hans_Christian_Heg

    and Ulysses S Grant

    Theodore Roosevelt’s Natural History Museum statue was vandalized:

    As for monuments and statues of “Spanish Catholic saints and conquistadors,” perhaps Mr Lind is unaware of the fact that Latin American radicals despise Europe. They prefer to think of themselves as the sons and daughters of the Mexica and Mayans. Monuments to Cortes have not fared well in Mexico:

    In 1981, President Lopez Portillo tried to bring Cortés to public recognition. First, he made public a copy of the bust of Cortés made by Manuel Tolsá in the Hospital de Jesús Nazareno with an official ceremony, but soon a nationalist group tried to destroy it, so it had to be taken out of the public.

    Later, another monument, known as “Monumento al Mestizaje” by Julián Martínez y M. Maldonado (1982) was commissioned by Mexican president José López Portillo to be put in the “Zócalo” (Main square) of Coyoacan, near the place of his country house, but it had to be removed to a little known park, the Jardín Xicoténcatl, Barrio de San Diego Churubusco, to quell protests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hern%C3%A1n_Cort%C3%A9s#Representations_in_Mexico

  160. @Bardon Kaldian

    I’d exclude Goethe from your rule – (oh yeah, he did write satires, Faust is in part a satire, and funny, therefore, too); then the in the English speaking world wildly underestimated chemist, physicist, and satirist Georg Christoph Lichtenberg; the literally inexhaustible Jean-Paul Friedrich Richter (if he did not lack something at all, it was intelligence); the french Moralists (Larochefoucauld, Vauvenargues and Chamfort esp.), Leon Bloy (he was a dead beat in the end – but he did keep the fire burning all through to his end); the Colombian Nicolas Gomez Davila and his Spanish forerunner Balthazar Gracian (his Hand Manual was a satire of sorts); öhh – – – with Miguel de Cervantes I’m not so sure, because I haven’t read much except Don Quichotte. And then there is Molière – a world wonder in his own right. One of the best writers ever.

    – A beautiful measure I could think of any government could take in these CO-19 times was to take a day off and have a deep look at his play The Imaginative Invalid. I really don’t know how you could learn more as a doctor or as a patient than making yourself acquainted with this play. It’s all there, from psychosomatic medicine to medicine as a status consumption drug in itself to a diagnosis as a terror instrument with which you can whip your relatives and illness as a win-win situation for the patient and the doctor, making them both partners in crime; then there is the down to earth coolness of a witty servant, who is looking through all of this and making fun of it at the same time…(then there is the end of Molière himself on stage while playing the Imaginative Invalid. If this is not art, touching the transcendent, then somebody please tell me what is.

    Oh – and T. C. Boyle has his ups and downs, but – so far, no burnout – even though he complains lately how hard it has become to keep his morals up.Inside Looking Out, his LSD novel from last year, is just fine! – And – the musical satirist Frank Zappa was going strong ’til the end (which came fast, that’s true).

    Did Mark Twain ever wane? – That would have been against his – temper, wouldn’t it? And P. J. O’Rourke? – He is a great grey old guy now. Might as well be tired too. But he was flying high for decades!

    (Humor does not go well with any kind of system, it seems).

    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Ian Smith
  161. @Anonymous

    The author. Every, single, time.

    • Agree: Trinity
  162. @ThreeCranes

    You were not only guilty of a Freudian slip, but you corrected yourself twice!

    Verrrry interesting.

    Yes indead!

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    (Oooops – I did it again!)

  163. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    Hernan Pizarro del Blanco
    So they invent systemic racism as the cause of Black deficiencies. Systemic racism is invisible yet permeates across the land to keep blacks poor, stupid and prone to criminality.

    Arclight
    The fact that white supremacy cannot actually be measured and that gaps persist is a feature, not a bug.

    Systemic racism is the “string theory” of society. Explains everything, yet cannot actually be detected.

    • Agree: Muggles
  164. @TGGP

    Copies of the Ordeal of Civility are readily found on out of print book sites such as ABE Books.

  165. @Hibernian

    Hiberian, Ah yes, Catechism where we learned theology by rote memorization…”Sister Mary I don’t understand how this could be.” “Oh Joseph, if only you had true faith you would understand. Pray harder.” Stay safe my friend.

  166. Brutusale says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Paul Hornung in limbo? Wanna bet?

  167. @Prosa123

    Prosa, thank you for the reply. The steady supply of nuns is baffling. Families happy their daughters were Brides of Christ and foresaking motherhood and the gift of grandchildren. Where did they all come from. My immediate and extended family had no priests or nuns. And, in 1960 tuition at my brand new diocesean all boys HS was $90. Ninety bucks probably covers books for one semester at the local Catholic preps.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
  168. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    The Maddison data as reported isn’t that granular. I think Stanley Engerman’s work may include some estimates of that nature.

  169. @Prosa123

    Agree about nuns.

    I’m not sure how much non-unionized,
    “professional” Catholic school teachers get paid nowadays, but their “normal” pay rate must be not nearly as much as what teachers make in the unionized public schools or the exclusive privates.

    One other sad note about Catholic school education: The rise in non-nun teachers has been accompanied by a rise in non-teaching, left-wing guidance counselors, life coaches, psychologists, and no doubt other kinds of baloney staff.

    Regarding affordability, many parents who could otherwise pay private school tuition are unwilling to forgo their:

    • summer vacations (overseas)
    • imported SUVs,
    • suburban homes,
    • etc,

    especially when they can send their kids to “good” public (tax supported) schools in the area.

  170. Anonymous[687] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The Spanish, French, Jewish and Dutch traders brought in a most of the early slaves. They never got hurt by Sherman.

    Silly religious folks from the 1700s thought they should be “free“. I mean the real zealots among the Baptists, Methodist and of course the Quakers.

    To everyone else it made as much sense as freeing the cows.

  171. Art Deco says:
    @dvorak

    His mother’s family is Italian, more or less. I think you’d have to scrounge to find many Italian politicians (or Italian voters) who think like Wilhelm.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  172. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Voting and democracy are ultimately unrelated concepts.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  173. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    700 words of incoherent blather when he could have just said that anti-american jews took control of the country.

    like the greeks and romans struggling to explain astronomy observations that don’t make sense if the earth is the center of the solar system, when you have the wrong model of what’s happening, you stumble around a lot trying to explain things.

    Does Lind think he is jewish? Why would he omit the topic?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  174. BenKenobi says:
    @Whiskey

    The coalition of the Woke is stupid. Divided. With low trust and low competence. That lot makes the late Austrian Empire and the Romanovs look gifted.

    The Bear and the Bull.

    Whiskey, are you Ulysses?

  175. @Hypnotoad666

    http://www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/Richerson/complex.PDF

    Pages 26-36 have a lot of interesting things to say about the Wehrmacht.

  176. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bucky

    It is seductive and tempting, offering a sort of moral laundering.

    Please elaborate.

  177. Hockamaw says:

    Very thought-provoking and well-wrought, but ultimately bad, take.

  178. @The Alarmist

    “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights… it had to be some silly little Communist. ”
    ― Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis

    Racism is the original sin and Southern rednecks are the root of all evil. That idea is the foundation of modern American morality.
    It has replaced God, King and Country, the Rights of Man, Honors to the Strong, Blessed are the Meek, and everything else that came before it.

  179. Lurker says:
    @kihowi

    or tip over the board and punch them in the face

    Excellent!

  180. @Neoconned

    Probably 90 percent of them. I was a public school teacher (secondary level) most of my 20s. I’m not far from you and there are maybe 4 public high schools out of 20 + within a 30 mile radius that I’d actually send kids to. Even some of the “better” ones are trash, because of the over-emphasis on sports. You get a situation where half your kid’s classes will be taught by idiot football/baseball/basketball/cheerleading/whatever coaches. Admins give the very valuable coaches whatever they want, and even the big macho coaches don’t want to deal with the rabble, so they end up “teaching” advanced kids by showing movies and sharing life stories.

  181. @ben tillman

    Voting and democracy are ultimately unrelated concepts.

    Doing justice to that topic would require several lengthy essays. Rousseau’s ideas on democracy, for example can lead to fascism’s Fuehrer Prinzip or communism’s dictatorship of the proletariat. Both are attempts to embody the general will. The Athenians annually selected a random sample of citizens to serve as legislature, judiciary and executive. In Athens, only a small and superior fraction of the population were citizens. IMHO, representative democracy and an unrestricted franchise will inevitably fail.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  182. Not Raul says:
    @red6020

    What’s completely bonkers though is that the New Left was or the current consensus is some sort of continuation or outgrowth of the New Deal. That’s just ahistorical looney-bin territory.

    Isn’t that the opposite of what Lind said?

    My reading of Lind is: Woke is WASP, New Deal is anti-WASP.

  183. ‘…I think many key players in the Great Awokening are liberal Ashkenazi Jews…’

    There’s a delicate understatement.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  184. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The Supreme Court of yesteryear: I happened upon a old episode of the “What’s My Line” panel game show, from the 1950s. The celebrity guest (requiring the panel to blindfold themselves) was Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, and I decided to check him out online. Douglas was appointed at age 40 and served for 36 years. He set a lot of records besides youth and longevity. Among other things he published a dozen or so travel books, and took time off from the court and missed cases to travel the world. He also took time off to recover from various injuries associated with his horse-riding rancher lifestyle. He was liberal and pro civil liberties, against the Vietnam War and in favor of granting standing to trees to file lawsuits. There were congressional attempts to impeach him. Bob Dole said he had bad judgment, as shown by his matrimonial life …

    … as follows:

    Wife 1: At age 25 he married a 31-year-old high school teacher. She divorced him 30 years later.

    Wife 2: Three years before his divorce he openly pursued wife 2 and married her within a year of his divorce. At the time other Supreme Court justices had mistresses as secretaries or the like, but Douglas was more brazen. This divorced caused him to become a prolific travel writer, to pay his alimony.

    Wife 3: A college “coed” was writing her thesis on him and approached him. Two years later the 64-year-old Douglas married the 23 year old.

    Wife 4: Douglas then took a trip to Mount St. Helens and met another college coed, 22 years old, working a summer job as a waitress and promptly married her, which became a national controversy. She stuck with him for 14 years until he died.

    I got the impression that it was different world in some ways, but things have not changed in others.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Flip
  185. Thea says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966591/Two-boys-night-terror-hands-two-kidnappers-Sweden.html

    Ot

    Two Swedish boys kidnapped then raped, beaten and left for dead by two not so Swedish men

    Rotherham all over again

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  186. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    On the other side of the ledger, what happened was that the NKVD took a lot of creative tricks from their Ohkrana forerunners and jacked up the intensity. Their sister agencies followed suit, though the KGB largely got out of the assasination biz after Bandera’s death.

    Plenty of gullible people failed to grasp just how deceiful a lot of this could be. A whole generation of West German leftists idealized a student leader shot in the 60s by a Berlin policeman, considered to epitomize how evil their parents were… and decades later, it was revealed that the cop, far from being a “fascist”, was actually a Stasi agent.

    • Thanks: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  187. • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  188. @Anon

    I read a William O. Douglas book about his mountain climbing adventures when I was a kid.

    He was this semi-comic / semi-impressive figure.

  189. This is unrelated, but…

    How much anti-Russian animus is motivated by the [now almost explicit] anti-white liberal mindset? Liberals may look at white Russian faces and think to themselves, “just look at them, that many white people in one place can’t be up to anything good.”

  190. newrouter says:

    Slug.con is a micro/macroaggression. Angela Davis would like it.

  191. J.Ross says:
    @nebulafox

    If at all possible the curious must find and watch the deeply moving and informative documentary Solovyetskiy Vlast, which describes the first gulag, the island of Solovets (of course the title is a pun on the revolutionary phrase “Soviet Power”). In a nutshell, the Bolshies were in power, imprisoning both Tsarist secret police (their most logically hated enemy) and those comrades whose revolutionary consciousness had failed (and others), and nothing was working, and they were beating their brains out over what to do, and one day the hated okhrana walks by and happens to mention, “y’know, back when we were in charge, and we had a difficult prisoner, we would do XYZ,” and that’s pretty much how it happened. Very practical. For real though this is one of the most moving things I have ever seen, especially where they mention the execution of the Christians.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  192. J.Ross says:
    @Thea

    LA Confidential is a fantastic movie but the real reason I love it is I deeply want there to exist, somewhere, a cop who, when he hears about a rape toy, says, “okay, give me a gun from evidence and five minutes head start.” I question the morality and humanity of anyone who doesn’t at least want that.

  193. @Trinity

    You’re right about Ali, and his son is apparently smart enough to realize he wouldn’t exist if Dad had chosen a white woman instead of a “fine black woman” as his wife.

  194. @Reg Cæsar

    That’s no Finnish-Cornish Socialist mining residue voting blue. That’s EBT cards and lefty students in Marquette, a fact obscured by the legend of century-old labor disputes in the copper and iron mines. Maps suggest too much, such as the stupid idea that Isle Royal voted red, although it does have a single commercial fishing family with a 100-year permit granted to them at the time the island was made a NP and a few rangers and researchers overwintering.

  195. Wilkey says:
    @Anonymous

    Maybe next up Silverman can do a book on the origins of Passover and Purim.

    Hebrew #1: “God murdered a bunch of Egyptians.”
    Hebrew#2: “Cool! Let’s make it a holiday!”

    Hebrew #1: “WE murdered a bunch of Babylonians.”
    Hebrew #2: “Cool! Let’s make another holiday!”

    The Mayflower pilgrims came here in peace. They managed to get by and get along more or less peacefully for over 50 years. They certainly behaved far more peacefully than the Conquistador ancestors of the Latin Americans who have been pouring across our borders in insane numbers for the last 40+years.

  196. @JohnnyWalker123

    Looking more and more like Johnson all the time and the tangled web that grew out of that (Great Society/Open Borders as Johnson/Deep State frantically trying to wash the blood off their hands) still binding us up to this day.

  197. OT (or perhaps not):

    This exhibit is federal property. Destroying or removing it is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, one year imprisonment or both — 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559(a), 3571.

    • Replies: @black sea
  198. @Jus' Sayin'...

    I’m thinking more along the lines of Tullock and Buchanan’s Calculus of Consent or Boehm’s Hierarchy in the Forest.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  199. Anon7 says:

    In their one and a half hour press conference, President Trump’s team laid out their argument, including this set of remarks by Sidney Powell:

    None of this material made it onto the regular news.

    Assuming this isn’t some sort of last-ditch conspiracy theory, will there ever be a point where push comes to shove, say, in front of the Supreme Court, where the social media/main stream media blackout on everything pro-Trump will be broken?

    Hypothetically, what if the Supreme Court heard testimony and decided that the swing state elections could not be certified, meaning no candidate got to 270 electoral votes, creating a contingent election in the Congress? Would it be covered? If Trump were declared president, what would the media say?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  200. Rob McX says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And France bans home schooling on pain of six months’ imprisonment. But it’s all in a good cause, it’s to combat Islamic extremism.

    And Jews in France have given their approval to the new law.

    Flood the country with Muslim fanatics, then pass laws to prevent Muslim fanaticism. Everything is working out just fine.

  201. black sea says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I thought at first this was going to be something about Deliverance.

    • LOL: Rob McX, PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  202. Rob McX says:
    @Apple

    “racism” is anything that offends non-whites.

    I think it’s gone beyond that by now. The current definition of racism would be any sign whatever of racial awareness, or any desire for racial survival, on the part of whites. An awful lot of non-whites are indifferent to what whites think of them, and are only provoked into taking offence by the media and politicians.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  203. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Sadly,before he can enter heaven,he has to sit out a year in limbo.

    Kinda old to be an infant, wasn’t he, “Father”?

    lol.

  204. @Mr. Anon

    In my case, it’s my lifelong and arduous exposure to diversity that has made me a racist, not a lack.

  205. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polistra

    Just like blacks, Indians have an intense, deep and not so suppressed *hatred* of white people simply because white people have white skin.

    Blacks are cunning and malicious. But Indians take cunning and malice to a higher level.

  206. @black sea

    I thought for sure it was going to be about Christian Cooper, brave black man, “birdwatching” in the Ramble.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  207. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX

    An awful lot of non-whites are indifferent to what whites think of them, and are only provoked into taking offence by the media and politicians.

    Non-Whites may be indifferent to what Whites think of them, but they are vigilant—and vicious—when it comes to what Whites think of themselves. It isn’t hard to see why. Non-Whites are engaged in the gradual conquest of Whites’ land and women. The biggest threats to that theft are White sense of group identity and White self-esteem.

  208. @Gary in Gramercy

    There is another sign, helpfully telling us that natives and women are the people who actually ensured the creation of Muir Woods—it points us to the National Parks Service’s Muir Woods website for more details. The website also has a video by a gay forest ranger (labeled thus) explaining “Queer Woods.”

    At least they were kind enough to capitalize “White.”

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  209. @Wilkey

    That’s demoralizing, but thank you for pointing it out. At least having the anniversary be ignored is better than getting an Ava Duvernay/ Nikole Hannah-Jones Netflix special about the Mayflower rammed down our throats.

  210. @PiltdownMan

    Adapted from Robert Frost, “Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening”:

    Whose woods these are I think I know.
    His house is in the Village though;
    He will not see me stopping here
    To watch his woods fill up with snow.

    My little horse must think it queer
    To stop without a bathhouse near….
    ————————————————–
    How did the horse know?

    • LOL: PiltdownMan, Rob McX
  211. Marx – “The history of all hitherto existing human society is the history of class struggle

    I think the addendum “honestly it is, don’t under any circumstances think in terms of race or nation, would I try to deceive you?” somehow missed the final edit.

    Lind – “The history of the United States is the history of race struggle

    Once again I think the addendum “between Yankee Wasps and provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic, honestly it is, don’t under any circumstances think about anyone else, would I try to deceive you?” somehow missed the final edit.

  212. @Buffalo Joe

    Those Catholic families tended to have numerous children, so they got their grandchildren from other sources. It was prestigious to have offspring in religious life, and the parents of priests and nuns could count on the prayers of their offspring. Women who entered the convent tended to be the plainer sisters in their families–the prettier sisters would get snapped up early by husbands–and nuns didn’t carry the stigma of old maids, nor did they have to worry about making a living or starving in their old age, since the convent would take care of them. Finally, being a nun gave ambitious Catholic women an opportunity to satisfy their ambitions while still doing good. Nuns founded schools, hospitals, and charities. The Mayo Clinic was originally a Catholic hospital founded by nuns, who invited the Mayo brothers to be the resident doctors.

  213. Flip says:
    @Anon

    He didn’t have children with the young wives though. I would have thought that was the whole point.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jack D
  214. @Jeremiah B Leonard

    How much anti-Russian animus is motivated by the [now almost explicit] anti-white liberal mindset?

    It is impossible to quantify it, so I’ll just give my impression:

    1. first comes anti-White animus from liberals

    2. then comes Jewish anti-Russian animus where anti-Russian sentiment from the memories of the Czarist era are grafted on anti-Soviet policy from the 50’s on, Soviets being enemies of Israel & oppressors of newly awakened Soviet Jews

    3. third comes fear & loathing of a world power, which, although weaker, can still annihilate you into a black hole (and the rest of the world)

    4. then, there is a fear that Russia can, allied with China & India, make US a 3rd rate shithole re world’s non-pop-cultural influences. Basically, US gets hugely degraded.

    5. at the end, there is a paleo-feeling of old fashioned anti-Communism

    • Replies: @Jack D
  215. OT – when will this hit the UK and US?

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/nov/20/experience-i-steal-from-museums

    I am a pan-African activist, campaigning for reparations for the crimes against African people committed during colonialism. Recently, I have taken matters into my own hands: I go to museums that exhibit African artefacts; I tell the truth about how these items were looted and stolen from Africa – and then I take them.

    I have been deeply political for as long as I can remember. I was born in 1978 in Kinshasa, the capital of what was then Zaire and is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo. My father was a revolutionary, and led the 1968 coup d’état that overthrew the Congolese government. When I was a child, my mother would tell me stories of Patrice Lumumba, the father of Congolese independence.

    I was 13 when I joined a political party: the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS). After finishing high school, I started teaching myself more about international relations, law and African history. I wanted to explore the bonds that unite all African people. I am now the leader of a pan-African activist group, Unité, Dignité, Courage, an organisation that fights for the liberation and transformation of Africa. We believe the wealth amassed by western nations through our works of art must be returned, and the goods given back to the African people.

    On 12 June, I started to put these plans into practice. I travelled to the Quai Branly museum in Paris with a few other activists. A recent report commissioned by Emmanuel Macron found that France has about 90,000 objects from sub-Saharan Africa; more than two-thirds are at the Quai Branly. I took a 19th-century Bari funerary post; when a king died, the post would be placed in front of the grave. It was the only piece that was within our reach; it didn’t weigh much, so was easy to take.

    With the post in my hands, I started speaking in the museum – and on a Facebook livestream – explaining how these objects were taken. A crowd gathered. The police arrived, but didn’t know what to do, so they listened to us. After half an hour, we were handcuffed and taken into custody. Security took back the post, and charges were pressed for attempted theft of a registered artwork.

    After that, I was on a roll: I took a sword from the MAAOA museum in Marseille, and a Congolese religious statue from the Afrika Museum in Berg en Dal in the Netherlands, in September. In each case we were stopped by police, and the items were returned. In October, I went to the Louvre to take a 19th-century Ana Deo swimming sculpture from Indonesia. I was arrested and detained in prison for three days.

    After our action at the Quai Branly, I and four others stood trial for attempted theft on 30 September. Our lawyers said that we are not thieves, but activists fighting for political causes. The case became a big story in the French press, encapsulating the national debate about what should be done with the spoils of colonialism.

    The charges had a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a €150,000 fine; I was fined €1,000 for aggravated theft. The judge recognised the activist nature of my action, but said he wanted to discourage such stunts. I will appeal against the fine, because I don’t think it is for me to pay this: it is for the Quai Branly and the French state.

    At the time of writing, I am awaiting trial for our other three actions, on charges of attempted theft –in Marseille, the Netherlands, and Paris for the act at the Louvre. But, whatever the country, I will continue.

    In next week’s Guardian – “Black visitors to museums are made to feel unwelcome by
    institutional racism”

    “As I moved through the exhibition, I noticed at all times a security guard observing me. This did not happen to white visitors.”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  216. @YetAnotherAnon

    “I was born in 1978 in Kinshasa, the capital of what was then Zaire and is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo. My father was a revolutionary, and led the 1968 coup d’état that overthrew the Congolese government. When I was a child, my mother would tell me stories of Patrice Lumumba, the father of Congolese independence.”

    Someone’s telling porkies, in the DRC Mobutu was entrenched in power by 1968. I think someone’s got their Congos in a twist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Republic_of_the_Congo_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  217. @YetAnotherAnon

    And how long before this is the reaction?

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/marseille-mwazulu-diyabanza-1924953

    Nov 19 2020

    A French Court Acquits Four Anti-Colonial Activists Who Removed a Spear From a Museum, Saying the Gesture Counts as Free Speech

    The Congolese activist Mwazulu Diyabanza says the verdict sets an encouraging precedent.

    (and in the Things Old America Could Do But New America Can’t column, the Aracibo Radio Telescope is falling to bits)

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/20/us-to-shut-down-famed-huge-arecibo-space-telescope-in-puerto-rico-jungle

  218. Ed says:

    Trump lost Wisconsin because he obtained 20k fewer votes in the >95% white suburbs that surround Milwaukee than he did in ‘16. In ‘16 he received 30k fewer votes than Romney did in ‘12.

    These people along with whites in the Atlanta & Philadelphia suburbs delivered the WH to the Woke because Trump was mean on TV.

  219. @Nicholas Stix

    Right. But if you actually pay attention–you have to read between the lines, because this point can never be published–you’ll learn that there were many, many jewish members of the top Wall Street law and investment firms. Never mind that there were august jewish institutions long before the supposed blackballing was ever supposed to have taken place.

    Check out Kuhn Loeb, Lazard, Salomon Brothers, Lehman Brothers, Warburg, Goldman Sachs, etc etc. Most founded in the mid-1800s. The law firms weren’t far behind, though online and law-review ‘scholarship’ (usually jewish) insists that the “white shoe” law firms were closed to jews. Never mind that most had jewish lawyers on staff the whole while, often including partners.

    If any of those so-called ‘white shoe’ firms were ever as exclusionary as–say–Wachtell, Lipton or Katten Muchin (or even Paul Weiss Rifkind for much of its history) they would have been hounded out of business long ago.

    You’ll also learn that the jewish cohort in Harvard and Yale was *way* out of proportion to their population, all the way back to the early 1900s. You’ll learn a lot, but you have to want to learn. We have tons of well-financed authors and publishers intent on preventing that learning.

    Everyone’s got a story about how his neighbor’s Uncle Morty wasn’t allowed in the country club, because of course one’s jewishness is the only reason anyone was ever denied entry into a club–or business–in all of history.

    • Thanks: Sam Malone, Hangnail Hans
  220. Yngvar says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Not clicking any WaPo link, so between parchment tounge and mould factory, what’s the RH sweet spot?

  221. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That row of counties along the NY border looks impressive on the map, but nobody lives there. Each of those counties has maybe 20,000 voters. Any one of the Philly suburban counties (let alone Philly itself) has more voters than all six border counties put together. The general rule (at least in PA but a lot of places are like this) is that the fewer the # of people living in a county, the larger Trump’s margin of victory. If there was a county with only 2 people in it, Trump would have gotten 100% in that county. Unfortunately, votes are counted by the head and not by the acre or Trump would have won in a landslide.

    And their cultural weight is the same as their political weight – next to nothing. If those counties went back to being 100% trees instead of 99% trees and 1% people, no one would notice.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Alden
  222. J.Ross says:
    @Anon7

    We have to just move and not care. The lyingpress has reduced their whole power to a simple elementary school psyche-out.

  223. Jack D says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    This doesn’t quite make sense in that American leftists (including Jews) used to luuuv Russia when it was Communist – didn’t Bernie Sanders honeymoon there? Putin’s Russia is seen as harkening back to the Czar – nationalistic and conservative and in alliance with Orthodox Church so naturally liberals are not going to like it. Some American Jews see this combination and just assume that Putin must be an anti-Semite too but he isn’t.

    • Agree: Dissident
  224. Guest194 says:

    Yes, I’ve noticed that today’s Woke white allies include the same “faces” who would once have been medical missionaries, Blue Stockings, Emerson and Thoreau, Charles Eliot, Woodrow Wilson, my own ancestors, etc. This makes it harder to find comfort in the past.

  225. @Jeremiah B Leonard

    You are on the money. Liberals need an enemy. Their ‘diversity’ requires they focus on the lowest common denominator which is the hatred of whites, and in particular, white men. They are the enemy. This demagoguery carries overseas and conveniently lands on the Russians.

    If James Bond were to be written today and brought up to the current reality, England’s enemies would be Muslim rape gangs and weaponized mass migration. Specter would be run by George Soros and funded by his (((tribe))). Rather, 007 has a black female lead role who inevitably will be discriminated against by guess who? The Ruskies!

  226. @ben tillman

    I’m thinking more along the lines of Tullock and Buchanan’s Calculus of Consent or Boehm’s Hierarchy in the Forest.

    All government is perforce an imposition – occasionally a forceful imposition – on the individuals governed. It also involves pervasive inequality. The necessary impositions must be enforced. That requires authority and authority implies hierarchy and inequality. That democratic governments share these traits is not an argument against democracy.

    For me, one interesting issue regarding democracy is how it can be optimized to inconvenience as few citizens as possible in as few circumstances as possible while providing governance that pleases as many citizens as possible as often as possible. Some form of voting seems essential if one is to achieve this objective. Then, at the most theoretical level, Arrow’s Impossibility Theorem comes into play. More practical issues involve decisions about such concerns as fairly drawing the bounds of congressional districts, a fascinating subject with interesting mathematical aspects and one about which many legal opinions and books have been written.

    The most critical issue regarding voting is how should the franchise be extended/limited to citizens in a democracy. Should those with no stake in the future of the state be allowed to vote? Should those too unintelligent to vote in an informed and intelligent manner be allowed to vote? If not, how are their interests to be represented? Should votes by individual’s be weighted in accordance with one or more standards?

  227. @Jack D

    Re US Jews, I don’t think Bernie-type leftists are anti-Russian. I would say that most anti-Russian types are a combination of proper, older US Jewish nationalists, who see Russia through the lens of oppression during later Khrushchev & Brezhnev eras (refuseniki, various types of Jewish ethnic activism from the late 60’s to the Gorbachev era, Jackson-Vanik amendment etc.)- so they are anti-Russian because later Soviets had been culturally, politically & economically anti-Israel & anti-Jewish; the other sort are mostly post-Gorbachev era immigrants to the US, who may be ideologically diverse, but are unified in antipathy towards the Holy Russia – not just because it is anti-LGTB, or anti-oligarchy, or authoritarian, or …..

    Conscious ethnic Jews are against Holy Russia, as they are against Eternal Iran, or Ewiges Deutschland not simply because of historical conflict, but because of the dominant, indomitable & threatening Other they represent in human eternity.

    I suppose the Eternal Han will be the next focal point of animus. Eternal Albion is, well, neither eternal nor Albion, anymore.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  228. @Dieter Kief

    What about Voltaire?

    I’ve been trying in vain for ages to get my kids to read Candide. I was 40 when I read it, and wished I’d read it at 17.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dieter Kief
  229. @Wilkey

    The USPS has a pretty Forever stamp depicting 1620 Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor.
    Incidentally, Plymouth was named by John Smith of Jamestown (1607) fame.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  230. Muggles says:
    @The Alarmist

    Well Jackie may have publicly said that, or been quoted saying that, but from what I have read the “Kennedy clan” didn’t hold with the Oswald lone shooter theory very much.

    I think Bobby and others suspect LBJ’s hidden hand, via the CIA and Mafia.

    Santo Trafficante’s lawyer said Trafficante basically admitted it was the Mafia, via Chicago, New Orleans and Tampa (the latter well connected w/ Cuban CIA shooters).

    This has always seemed like the most plausible scenario to me.

    It was widely reported that Jackie disliked LBJ and supposedly also harbored grave doubts about his involvement.

  231. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Thanks, it’s always nice to hear from someone who’s familiar with the area or subject of the discussion and knows what he’s talking about.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  232. @40 Lashes Less One

    “because it’s so hard not to slip up and notice/mention ungenteel truths about blacks”

    Sailer scores again with this descriptor of the rat-like mindset of woke whites in media. Believe me; not your eyes.

  233. @Colin Wright

    “liberal Ashkenazi Jews”

    The management class. They work for Fu Manchu.

  234. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    Some American Jews see this combination and just assume that Putin must be an anti-Semite too but he isn’t.

    Would it not be an understatement to say that Vladimir Putin is merely not an anti-Semite? As best as I can see, Mr. Putin’s disposition toward Jews would actually seem quite favorable.

    There was a comment recently from nebulafox in which he argued that both the “Russian collusion” crowd’s loathing of Putin, as well as the Alt-Right types’ admiration and even worship of him are both based-upon respective caricatures of the Russian leader that misrepresent the actual man in considerable and even fundamental respects.

  235. Art Deco says:
    @fnn

    No, just very old. I had a conversation with a member of the Congregation of St. Joseph in 2001. She told me that the number of women who had taken their vows in the years since 1970 was about half the number who had taken them in 1961 and 1962. She said that the median age in her order (as of 2001) was 70. Supposedly at that time, there were orders that had a satisfactory age distribution – new foundations with an orthodox disposition. Doubt the last seven years have improved their condition. NB, the sister said her order had suffered a 97% decline in those professing in a typical year. The decline in vocations up to that point was far more severe in religious orders than it was in re the diocesan priesthood (where you’d had a 60% decline in annual ordinations). The number of Jesuit seminarians (an order now suffused with sexual deviance and political sectarianism) at that time suggested that the number of ordained Jesuits (not retired) would eventually fall to fewer than 1,000 (when there had been nearly 10,000 in 1965).

  236. @Brutusale

    Great book. The author dismantles Bugliosi’s fabrications. O’Neill concludes the Manson project was primarily a behavior modification experiment using LSD by CIA-connected psychologists working out of UC Berkeley and the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic in 1967. He also admits there are still anomalies: Manson’s connection to the Process Church, an English splinter faction of Scientology that was developed by Mary Ann MacLean, ex-wife of Sugar Ray Robinson and call-girl working the blackmail beat for MI6. The Manson Family story has lots of layers.

  237. Dissident says:
    @Arclight

    The fact that white supremacy cannot actually be measured and that gaps persist is a feature, not a bug. It gives the people whose instinct is to rule others and endless excuse to exercise massive cultural, political and economic power against the people they don’t like, all in the name of the greater good.

    Kevin Michael Grace has likened the function of “racism” in our day to that of what the Victorians called “self-abuse” in their society. (Not necessarily the act itself but rather the way in which it was blamed for just about every imaginable ill and evil, and how it was stigmatized.)

  238. nebulafox says:
    @J.Ross

    Russia isn’t my area of expertise at all, but I think there was more continuity between the Tsarist and Soviet regimes than would appear on the surface. Soviet anti-colonial sentiment, for starters, did not apply to areas formerly under the control of the Tsars, as Central Asian Muslims found out pretty quickly in the early 1920s.

    After Lenin died, Stalin embraced an aggressive program of social conservatism and pro-Slavic nationalist imagery, state atheism aside: men like Alexander Nevsky were made into proto-Soviet heroes, even before WWII. That’s not to say that pre-Gorbachev leaders didn’t believe that Marxism wouldn’t eventually dominate the world in one way or another, but as Kennan seemed to understand, by the late 1940s, the essential psychology and day-to-day focus of the regime was pretty neo-Muscovite.

    (This wasn’t limited to the USSR: by the 1970s, East Germany had rehabilitated many figures in Prussian history, and the NVA was basically the Wehrmacht with pro-proletarian slogans replacing the eagles. It’s oddly ironic how living under the Old Left somewhat inoculated the former Warsaw Pact from the New Left.)

    Even the demographics of the secret police reflected this shift: in the early days of the revolution, it was dominated by Jews and Latvians, the former having a well-established history in the anti-Tsarist revolutionary underground and the latter being heavily represented in the blue-collar Petersburg contingent that got the ball rolling for the Bolsehvik takeover. By the 1940s, it was dominated by ethnic Russians and Caucasians: Beria, like Stalin himself, was a Georgian.

  239. Art Deco says:
    @Flip

    Wife no. 3 skedaddled after a few years and wife no. 2 (who was not particularly young) already had children by her previous husband. He had children with wife no. 1. In his old age, he wasn’t on speaking terms with them. When their mother died, they didn’t bother to tell him.

  240. Jack D says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Conscious ethnic Jews are against Holy Russia, as they are against Eternal Iran, or Ewiges Deutschland

    Back when the Shah was running Eternal Iran in the ’70s Jews had nothing against it. Jews (at least the ones I know) have no real beef against today’s Germany either. If I was looking for a pattern, I would say that Jews are against those who are against them and that there is nothing eternal about that it – if the regime changes from one that is favorable to Jews to one that is anti-Jewish, then Jews’ feelings about that country change as well.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  241. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    Putin’s relatively positive relationship with what is left of the Russian Jewish community is one of the reasons Russia’s hard-right despise him.

    He did say once that the first Soviet government was “dominated by Jews”. That’s an example of a statement that would set off alarm bells in a left-wing American Jew’s mind while being a simple throwaway statement-with perhaps a tinge of appreciation or their cleverness coupled with the implication that Stalin “restored normality”-in a Russian secret policeman’s, with no actual hostility intended.

    (Another telling statement was his 2006 take that Orthodox Christianity had more in common with Islam than Western Christianity.)

  242. Art Deco says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A large number of witnesses and “persons of interest” related to the JFK assassination died in the first few years afterward. According to a prominent London insurance firm, the odds of this happening were 30 trillion to 1.

    You saw the movie Executive Action. The actuarial calculation was nonsense and the newspaper which published it retracted the contention within days.

    The ‘witnesses’ in question were just people listed in the Warren Commission index. IIRC, the ‘witnesses’ who ‘died suspiciously’ between November 1963 and February 1967 numbered fewer than 20 from among the 400-odd names in the index. NB, about 3% of the population of the United States as of November 1963 died over the succeeding 39 months.

  243. Jack D says:
    @Flip

    Today we associate marriage with having children. People cohabitate and then get married when they are ready to have children or sometimes even AFTER they have children. If they are not planning on having kids they often see no reason to get married. This is true of all classes – even the British PM is living with his “fiance”.

    However, the past is a different country. Back in the day, if someone who was a respectable member of society wanted to live with a 22 year old, he had to marry her first, whether children were on the menu or not. Therefore, back in the day it wasn’t unusual to find rich or famous guys who had been married 4 or 5 times for this reason. Once the bloom was off the rose, they would divorce that one and move on to the next 22 year old.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AnotherDad
  244. Poco says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Destroy working-class White people is their solution.

  245. Dissident says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Lest the Agree I registered with your comment create a false impression of my view in this area, I wish to make it clear that my position remains that Jews owe a debt of gratitude to a USA that, on balance certainly, has and continues to show us extraordinary kindness. Without excluding any of the minorities that this includes, and without harboring ill will toward anyone based merely upon an accident-of-birth such as race, ethnicity, national or religious background, it should be acknowledged that said USA has, from its founding, been overwhelmingly white and Christian. Jews should stand with this demographic, the founding stock of this country, against the unprecedented attack they are now under.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  246. Anonymous[909] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What about Voltaire?

    I’ve been trying in vain for ages to get my kids to read Candide. I was 40 when I read it, and wished I’d read it at 17.

    What is worth reading about it?

    • Replies: @anon
  247. Alden says:
    @Brutusale

    Thanks. I’ll buy it. I always knew the college loan and hippy “mess around before settling down to a life of drudgery” things were just ways of finding a place for the baby boomers coming into a labor market where their parents were 45-55 with years to go before they retired. That’s the flip side of early family formation. Have kids between 25 and 30 means the parents won’t retire till their kids are pushing 30-40.

    The invasion of Nixon federally funded Ivy League jews into California and their Buttinsky “save the blacks from themselves “ NGOs was a real eye opener for me.

    The state department sent black, always black jazz musicians all over Europe at the same time the European pop music scene was into Beatles type music based on what liberals sneer at as hillbilly music. Plus Jazz was being overtaken by Kingston trio so called folk music in America. But the state department insisted on sending black jazz bands.

    And Jackson Pollock drip art was sent to Europe as an example of American Art There’s plenty of abstract art that’s very attractive in terms of design elements. Diagonal and curvy lines are more attractive than straight etc. But Pollock was a falling down all day drunk who couldn’t even sit in a chair. So his agent arranged a marriage with a caretaker handler. She framed and put the canvases on the floor. She opened several cans of paint and provided a variety of sticks. Then she roused him out of bed and made him crawl around dribbling paint for the few hours a day he could crawl.

    And the feminazis got their start working for CIA, IBEW, Rockefeller Carnegie and Ford Foundations. Plus the Julius Rosenwald Foundation funded by retail giant Sears Roebuck. And like most employees, the early feminazis
    did exactly as they were told.

    Hmmmmm.

  248. @Charlotte Allen

    Charlotte, great reply. I was taught by nuns from first grade through eighth grade, but never knew a family with a nun or priest in their ranks. The nuns had at least two hospitals in WNY and at least four Catholic schools for girls so you are correct. Thank you. I will go hit my knuckles with a wooden ruler in atonement. Stay safe.

  249. @Jack D

    But Russia isn’t anti-Jewish, yet a lot of Jews are anti-Russian.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  250. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What is worth reading about it?

    It is the best of all possible books. Just ask Professor Pangloss!

  251. @reactionry

    I hope Sidney is not blowing smoke. I know she doesn’t have to reveal her cards to the media, but it would be nice if she gave Tucker a taste of what she’s got. Having said that, Rudy is not an idiot, and DJT trusts him.

  252. @Jack D

    This could be true for Iran.

    But, for Germany, most of Israelis, I think, have nothing against it; on the other hand, US public Jews are obsessed with Germans as Nazis & there is a torrent of movies & books/booklets about eternal German guilt re Jews, flooding MSM to overflowing. There is an incessant talk about evil Nazis, various Shoah-related issues etc., as if it is a pressing issue in the contemporary world.

    Yahoo, along with CNN and others, virtually every 1-2 weeks has an article (or articles) about some anti-Jewish atrocity perpetrated by Nazis. No such frequency for, say, Vietnam war or any other historical event, with greater body count, like the Siege of Leningrad or Great Leap Forward. And this is not Tablet of Forward, where such topics would be understandable.

    It seems obvious that activist Jews, over-represented in the media, are pushing their traumas on American public. Never forgive or forget. Well- Russians make movies about WW2 (semi-watchable), but their papers, movies & TV are not obsessing about Nazis every week.

    As for US anti-Russian animus, it is evident that most public figures who are evidently anti-Russian are Jewish, or somehow Jewish-affiliated. Among permanent Russophobes, putting aside Ukrainians who are at war with them, ethnic Jews are certainly more than 80%, or more. The rest are gays & various weirdos.

    Is current Russian politics anti-Jewish? Apart from shielding Syria & Iran from a combined US-Israeli aggression, which is a very flexible comprehension of anti-XYZ.

    I may be wrong in assessment, but I’d say if you pick Russophobic activists, journalists, political operatives, pundits, media people, various scribblers, businessmen …- you’ll find that virtually 80% of them, ages 25- 75, are ethnic Jews who are somehow shady figures. They fear & loathe Russia as such, as an authentic historical entity. They don’t talk about Soviet atrocities against other peoples, nor about the plight of Russians during the Yeltsyn era. Nor are they morally indignant re mostly Russian Jewish oligarchs, most of them not much than criminals (let alone “Russian” mafia).

    That goes for US ex-Russian Jewish pundits, journalists etc., but not for scientists, high level authors writing in Russian or English, numerous musical, film & visual artists etc.

    • Disagree: AaronB
  253. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Therefore, back in the day it wasn’t unusual to find rich or famous guys who had been married 4 or 5 times for this reason. Once the bloom was off the rose, they would divorce that one and move on to the next 22 year old.

    Back in which day, where? You’re not going to find to many people in any era outside the ranks of the entertainment industry who have been married 4 or 5x. And, no, people with that many marriages were never respectable.

  254. syonredux says:

    Jeet Heer:

    Freedom comes in different strands and there is one type of right-wing politics which is basically settler-colonialist freedom: the freedom to despoil, the freedom to dominate over lesser races, the freedom to be unchecked by democratic governments and communal norms.

    …..As opposed to a certain variety of left-wing politics, which is basically freedom for the Woke cadres: the freedom to seize wealth from those who create it, the freedom to dominate the minds of the masses, the freedom to be unchecked by democratic governments and communal norms…..

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @ben tillman
  255. Muggles says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    But Russia isn’t anti-Jewish, yet a lot of Jews are anti-Russian.

    Never forgive, never forget.

    We met a nice older couple who had emigrated from Ukraine. Probably 40 years back. They were Jewish, the man told me rather early, and provided a tale of how he was discriminated against from being promoted to some managerial position or another. Still under Soviet rule at the time.

    That’s why he said he left. When I asked him why he didn’t get the promotion (he was obviously educated and intelligent) he said “Jew” was on his passport. That’s why, he told me.

    How long does your family hold grudges?

    (He later said in a brief discussion about police states, “the CIA took care of Kennedy didn’t it?” I had to agree.)

  256. Rob McX says:
    @syonredux

    Freedom comes in different strands and there is one type of right-wing politics which is basically settler-colonialist freedom: the freedom to despoil, the freedom to dominate over lesser races, the freedom to be unchecked by democratic governments and communal norms.

    That’s the freedom enjoyed by immigrants who swarm into white countries. As for whether we’re a “lesser race”, well, we’re heading for extinction if we don’t stop them.

  257. @Altai

    […]
    I can’t think of anything more evil than taking advantage of people’s kindness and empathy and in displacing the peoples with more of it by peoples with less.

    A pet project of mine is to point out that greed, ignorance, conceit and fear are more important factors among the public than kindness and empathy. Writers who know ‘good and tolerant people’ in their daily sphere tell that those people are feeding their ego when they recite politically correct platitudes, at he same time being fearful of becoming outcasts if not performing the necessary genuflection. The old stratagem of reward and punishment.

    The manipulators who form the public mindset are, of course, evil.

    ‘Transgender’ is still fashionable in Finland with the alphabet gang attacking children in school.

    • Replies: @Altai
  258. @Alec Leamas Remote

    So the United States House now has a caucus of ululators to hector remnants of its native population for some reason.

    Minoritarianism:

    Minorities oppressed/virtuous. Majorities oppressive/evil.

    Minorities are virtuous and ergo have an inherent right to latch onto a majority–at least if they are white gentiles–and enslave them to the task of providing minorities goodies.

    ~~

    The way to counter this is

    a) to state that the issue is in fact minoritarianism

    and

    b) propose separation. If we’re oppressing you, then you should welcome it. Separation exposes the fact that the relationship is not the majority oppressing the minority but parasitic minorities glomming onto the goodness that was built in America by millions of productive white gentiles.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  259. @Jack D

    However, the past is a different country. Back in the day, if someone who was a respectable member of society wanted to live with a 22 year old, he had to marry her first, whether children were on the menu or not. Therefore, back in the day it wasn’t unusual to find rich or famous guys who had been married 4 or 5 times for this reason. Once the bloom was off the rose, they would divorce that one and move on to the next 22 year old.

    Henry VIII?

    Seriously Jack, what the heck are you talking about? No one in any civilized society i can think of did this. Maybe some African king, chieftan–not sure.

    Plenty of rich, powerful men who desire it have had mistresses. Muslim poobahs may add a younger wife. And, of course, men whose wife dies may decide to marry younger. But i know of no civilized culture in which respectible men just pitch their wife over board and grab a younger wife, again and again and remain “respectible”.

  260. Wilkey says:
    @Ancient Briton

    I’ve seen them. I actually bought a few sheets for the kids. I want them to be proud of their heritage. I, like several million other Americans (apparently), have ancestors who were on that vessel. I’m not sure that the math quite makes sense, but there you have it.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
  261. @syonredux

    Freedom comes in different strands and there is one type of right-wing politics which is basically settler-colonialist freedom: the freedom to despoil, the freedom to dominate over lesser races, the freedom to be unchecked by democratic governments and communal norms.

    That’s left-wing.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  262. @AnotherDad

    Movie stars used to get married often: e.g., Richard Burton and Rex Harrison played gays in a movie. It was noted they had 11 marriages between them.

  263. Wilkey says:
    @AnotherDad

    But i know of no civilized culture in which respectible men just pitch their wife over board and grab a younger wife, again and again and remain “respectible”.

    President Donald J. Trump tweeted to say hi.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  264. Altai says:
    @Oikeamielinen

    ‘Transgender’ is still fashionable in Finland with the alphabet gang attacking children in school.

    But it’s not the same, that’s driven by the lobby groups, ordinary people will just feel bad for transgender people or say there shouldn’t be a stigma but they aren’t reprogramming their minds to actually think these people really are men and women, they just shrug and wish them well.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  265. @Alden

    You missed the point. The point (and it applies nationwide) is that festering shitholes jam-packed with wretched immigrants and other members of the underclass always vote for whoever promises the most gibs. Same with “superzips” full of H-1B techies who were trained by American citizens who then got laid off by (business owners).

    Here’s the Indian perspective on this:
    https://zeenews.india.com/economy/donald-trump-announces-new-us-h-1b-visa-rules-indian-techies-likely-to-be-hit-2315406.html

    Real Americans who value the way the country used to be, before it was trashed? They don’t count. They might as well be trees.

  266. @AnotherDad

    He’s thinking of Hollywood film producers and studio bosses. Role models!

  267. @AnotherDad

    Yeah but the separation they want is to separate you from your hard-earned property. Up to and including your country.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  268. syonredux says:

    Razib Khan:

    Lind is great. Not sure if I buy this…but dovetails with Catholicism & American Freedom by Mcgreevey. After the 1950s secular jews allied with postprotestant intellectuals & fused to create the core of a new social liberal ethos

    Yeah, but Lind pretty much elides the Jewish role. In his scenario, Jews come across as puppets on post-Protestant strings. It’s certainly possible to assign too much priority to the Jewish factor, but Lind is clearly going much too far.

    Of course, Lind is addressing a Jewish audience, which might account for the soft studio lighting in his article….

  269. @YetAnotherAnon

    Voltaire’s Candide is a great – and fast! – little book, I agree. It is very modern in that it is strictly to the point in an afore never found fashion. Not even in poetry. But it still is an old text with hurdles for readers that are erected by time itself. It is a challenging task to make such texts understood by the young. The daughter of friends had Molièr’s Imaginative Invalid  at school and – it did not work for the kids.You have to very (extremely) clear yourself about the strengths and the – seen from our mentality (mindset) – shortcomings of such texts to be able to succeed as a teacher. I’d hold that I know how you do it – and I did even successfully stage it in a condensed form two years ago with people with very little formal education who very much enjoyed it.

    Hans Magnus Enzensber did rewrite the Candide. I did read and enjoy this late 20th-century rewrite of Candide too and recommended it to well-educated teenagers – and they liked it:

     https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/0805065717/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=enzensberger+lost+in+time&qid=1605912218&sr=8-1

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  270. Hibernian says:
    @Wilkey

    Even in today’s crazy society 3 is the limit, without losing respectability.

  271. disagree somewhat with Lind, as i would argue the New Deal was the final subsuming of those Southern-Western-ethnic-whites into the Dem big tent, which was still headed by progressive-lefty Yankees such as FDR. so Yankees were always there. and, left vs right did matter to a degree, just that the ideology vector always crosses the demographic vector: liberal Southerners were Republican or friendly to them, liberal Northerners were Democrat or friendly to them. also, the lack of a third party meant that third way positions could be found in either party: such as the conservative Dixiecrat businessmen wanting infrastructure projects from Dems; or the progressive Northeastern suffragettes wanting Republicans to give them the vote and temperance, while also wanting a job from Democrats.

    Yankees have been heading this country regardless of party, just that the Dem and/or prog Yankees were the Yankees that were okay with Catholics and Jews as underlings. on the Rs you had the Henry Ford types, which also selected for Prot-biz work ethic. sadly the Jews and/or degenerates in the D coalition gained much prominence, and also introduced redistribution and interracial integration far beyond even what Catholics desired. the Rs had to leave the Rockefellers behind (but still there, see the Bushes) and focus on getting those Southern-Western-ethnics left behind by the new Dem-prog-Jew elite, which was now integrationist but ironically even more genteel waspy than the R one that had come before: while the Rs before FDR and JFK had wanted a Yankee country with negro votes, now the Ds had a Yankee-elite-minority not only taking the negro vote from Rs but heading a vaster rainbow coalition. such coalition precisely got started with non-Yankee whites, that have either kept D for the dole and memories, or mostly switched after Nixon and Reagan.

    currently, the Republicans elected (and hopefully reelected) a half genteel half Scots-Irish as president, and thus they now stand for the lower and/or betrayed non-Yankee whites and the few proud Yankee whites (and friends from other races); while the Dems stand for the woke genteel dysgenic ones, mostly Yankee rich but also with enough welfare rainbow coalition pawns and degenerates from all races… the Bidens are more degenerate than Catholic, and the Harris’s are a whole bunch of mixed curries in a soup…

  272. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Voltaire’s Candide is a great – and fast! – little book, I agree. It is very modern in that it is strictly to the point in an afore never found fashion. Not even in poetry. But it still is an old text with hurdles for readers that are erected by time itself. It is a challenging task to make such texts understood by the young.

    What understanding is there to be gleaned from it? What is great about it?

    Would you be interested in leading a book group here on isteve?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  273. @Dan Hayes

    You’ve got it wrong. The most vocal critics of wokeism among true liberals are liberal Jews (Stephen Pinker, Jerry Coyne among others), also in France.
    If there is an ethnic twist to this, and there is (not so much with Pinker and certainly not Coyne, but Barry Weiss is a case in point) it’s that Jews see they have it coming from woke POC if they (the POC) become more powerful. Jews fear they might lose their special position as morally good people with victim status which protects them from having their “white privilege” called out and be taken away.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  274. syonredux says:

    Fundamentally it represented the partial overthrow of Yankee Protestant hegemony in American society by a coalition of outsiders, chiefly provincial Southern and Western whites and European-American immigrants in the North, many of them Catholic.

    The Democratic Party that dominated the United States between the 1930s and the 1980s had a few Yankee progressive members, but it was essentially the old Jacksonian alliance of white Southerners and non-British “white ethnics” in the North.

    Some truth to this, but important distinctions are being lost. White Southerners were marginalized after the Civil War, but the South was a foundational part of the USA (e.g., Washington, Jefferson, and Madison were all Southerners). Southern writers (Faulkner, Thomas Wolfe, Welty, Robert Penn Warren)exploded into prominence during the interwar period, but they could look back to earlier Southern figures like Poe and Mark Twain.

    Catholics and Jews occupied an entirely different position in the national landscape. Unlike WASP Southerners, they were not foundational. Indeed, unlike WASP Southerners, they had to actively assert their claim (in the face of significant Nativist opposition) that they were “real” Americans.

    And, unlike WASP Southerners, they could not look back to distinguished literary precursors. Prior to Eugene O’Neill (who emerged as America’s first world-class playwright in the 1910s), significant Catholic writers are quite thin on the ground. Off-hand, the only one who comes to mind is Orestes Brownson, and he was a WASP New Englander who converted. Jews are in a similar position, with significant figures only emerging in the 1920s (Nathaniel West, Ben Hecht, etc)

  275. @Sean

    Sean wrote:

    There were Soviet agents, but I think the loss of China was the tremendous shock to America. It negated everything they had been working on, and had occurred through wooly minded progressives hired under FDR seeing in the CCP what they wanted to see. The aforementioned innocents abroad ‘China Hands’ in the State Department had depicted China as a society similar to England inasmuch it was moving toward the egalitarian model of America, and the CCP as a home of progressives, all this was brought up by McCarthy.

    It is true that the “loss” of China really energized the right wing, including Joe McCarthy. But that did not play much role in creating the National-Security State, which was a project of the Truman Administration.

    The chronologies of the creation of the National-Security State and the fall of China just do not match up.

    For example, the National Security Act of 1947 (note: two years before the Maoist takeover) established the CIA, merged the War and Navy Departments into one unified Defense Department, created an Air Force on an equal footing with the Army and Navy, etc.

    Similarly, Truman’s “Loyalty Program” got going in 1947 (note that this is several years before “McCarthyism”).

    The Berlin Blockade, the Truman Doctrine (re Communist actions in Greece and Turkey), and even the formation of NATO itself — all of these preceded the Moaist takeover in China, all were initiatives of the Truman Administration, and all were aimed at the Soviet Union..

    Those of us who lived through the Cold War can attest that, while Red China was often used as a bugaboo to frighten the populace, the real focus was on the Soviets: they were the ones who had ICBM capability, who might come pouring through the Fulda Gap, etc.

    Of course, the odd thing is that the USA actually did fight a war against Red China — really the main opponent in Korea. Nonetheless, China could not, back then, compete with the USA for world hegemony. The general belief (probably, in retrospect, an incorrect belief) was that the Soviets could.

    Yeah, the “loss of China” was a shock. But it did not motivate either elite or most popular discussions about geopolitics.

    The perplexing question is why did the New Dealers who had been so tolerant of Communists turn on a dime and become so hostile to Communists after the War?

    It’s debatable. I think part of the answer was there was a change of personnel. A lot of the New Dealers did not stick around through the War and into the Truman Administration.

    Many historians would say it was simple geopolitics: in 1939-1944, German and Japan seemed much more serious competitors to the USA than the USSR was. But after the War, with Germany and Japan occupied and Western Europe prostrate, only the USSR could plausibly compete with the USA.

    My own view, by the way, evolved in the ’60s and ’70s. As a young adolescent, I believd the propaganda about the Soviet menace. But by the time I was in college, I came to realize that the USSR was indeed monstrously evil in the way it treated its own people — tens of millions murdered in civil terrors, and hundred of millions subjected to oppression, poverty, and dreary desperation — but it was not really a threat to the USA, for the very simple reason that socialism really does not work. I came to see what became the Western consensus a few years later: as the quip had it, the Soviet Union was actually a Third World nation that happened to have nuclear weapons.

    The real threat to the USA came, then as now, from our own homegrown American socialists.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Thanks: Sam Malone
  276. @Occasional lurker

    Jews fear they might lose their special position as morally good people with victim status which protects them from having their “white privilege” called out and be taken away.

    Much of the desperation on the left, including voter fraud and BLM race riots, is an attempt by ‘elites’ to try and maintain power in the face of demographic change. They have chosen to adopt and elevate blacks as their favored proxy / junior partner in order to retain control forever how long that may be. More loyal and easier to control than Hispanics or hipsters, they also come with significant baggage that requires a massive amount of money and media to manage but it still leaves the current Jewish / white baby boomer leaders in charge of the Democratic Party. Better yet, by putting a black face as the face of the party, it allows others to pull the strings from the shadows. Once the elites are toppled, the leadership will be replaced with younger, woke, less-reliable actors forcing them to assume either a supporting role or find greener pastures.

  277. @Anonymous

    Would you be interested in leading a book group here on isteve?

    That’s how it could look like in the first 13 or so months:

    Tom Wolfe Back to Blood or Advantage Written Word or George Floyd Redivivus
    Voltaire, Candide – it goes to show – what?
    Our Lady From of the Forest : David Guterson about Saints and Sinners in everyday life
    JWv Goethe’s On the Granite plus other reflections on science (Popper, Searle, Friedrich Kambartel)
    Maxims and Reflections – or core Goethe
    Jean Paul – or – Blue Skies and Lullabies (sky-high excerpts from his novels (as unavoidable subtext: Beer and LSD)
    Talking and Curing – From Early On (Peter Rühmkorf’s secular little book Agar-Agar Zaurzaurin, Hugo Ball, Scat (Cab Calloway…) – and other forms of Onomatopoiesis)
    French medieval Fratrasies as an early form of an intentional (and playful) frenzy
    Hans Magnus Enzensberger, Peter Schneider, Thilo Sarrazin, Dominic Cummings and P. J. O’Rourke about the EU – European Digressions in Five Easy Steps (historical, phenomenological, economical, cultural and mental).
    Mysticism and its Accomplishments – Medieval Inkspots
    Wislawa Szymborska
    Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
    Sketches of (S)pain – Don Quichotte redivivus
    Elegance, Taste & Reluctance – A Look into Rilke
    What is Shakespeare’s Hamlet about?
    Molières Imaginative Invalid – or Illness as a Trap

    That’s how it could be titled:

    Books Mirrors and Reflected Selves or – – – Lichtenberg and Other Duties of the Citizen or Absolutely Modern – Tales of the Heart and Logical Ditties

  278. Dube says:
    @Polistra

    Nice looks, or styling, on that Plymouth. But note that the spare tire contour in the trunk lid is false. The actual spare of course is secure in a slot in the trunk floor. As a Detroiter of that era, I examined conscience over whether what we were presenting was moral, and whether my fellow Americans had the character to withstand guile and manage democracy. Worse with GM styling and its deliberate overloads of chrome, so attractive to public acclaim. We had a reprieve with the simple elegance of the Lincoln Continental. But then came the parade in Dallas.

  279. Ian Smith says:
    @Dieter Kief

    O’Rourke hasn’t been good since Bill Clinton was president.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  280. @Ian Smith

    One of my all-time favourite pieces in journalism**** – ahh actually three of them, were written by O’Rourke in the year 88 (Belfast – The Incomprehensible Piece of Ireland), The Multicultural Society (about Bosnia, 1992) and How to Make Nothing out of Anything (Tansania) 1997. I could name a few more which I truly love.

    **** = in literature

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