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Oh, well, I thought I was done blogging about John McCain, but he is the gift that keeps giving:

From the Washington Examiner:

Joe Lieberman: John McCain has given America one ‘last great gift’ by bringing the country together
by Naomi Lim
| September 01, 2018 11:27 AM

Joe Lieberman, one of Sen. John McCain’s closest friends, reflected Saturday:

“The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

 
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  1. I think the McCain funeral is the longest I have ever witnessed. It feels longer than a Weekend at Bernie’s. There’s so much praise being heaped on him from Democrats, that I’m wondering if they will run his corpse in 2020, they already ran one in 2016.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @Perspective

    I had always liked Lieberman. He should learn how to shut up.

  2. Why was McCain unable to choose Lieberman as running mate?

    • Replies: @Noah172
    @Anonymous

    Too liberal on domestic issues (abortion, guns, environment, and many more). Contrary to liberal opinion, Lieberman was not a "conservative Democrat"; he was a standard neoliberal who embraced Bush on Iraq and terrorism.

  3. “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb bomb Iran.

    And

    He never met a jet that he didn’t like … to crash.

  4. Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    • Agree: Federalist, BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Auntie Analogue

    Bush is a sellout. Lieberman and Schumer aren't sellouts; they're loyal to their people.

    , @Bubba
    @Auntie Analogue

    Indeed, "Sellout" is his epitaph. And had McCain died 10 years ago, Bush the II would have been the vilified persona non-grata instead of President Trump (remember McCain blamed Bush for his failed Presidential campaign run in 2000). And Steve Schmidt would have given a eulogy. My how times changed quickly for John McCain (except was his thirst for killing and war).

    , @Pat Boyle
    @Auntie Analogue

    It's like having two Popes. We have The Great Schism come again.

    On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow. On the Internet he's a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Steve in Greensboro

    , @pyrrhus
    @Auntie Analogue

    Yes, it's an infallible test--the anti-American politicians only praise others of their ilk....

    , @AnotherDad
    @Auntie Analogue


    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.
     
    Ironically if "patriotic" "maverick" John McCain, had actually been a patriot and a maverick he would have run in 2008 on:
    -- closing the border, stopping immigration, deporting illegals--jobs go to American workers
    -- reigning in Wall Street, stopping bailouts from going to the crooks and reform to get them permanently off the taxpayer tit (no heads i win, tails you lose)
    -- closing down Iraq and Afghanistan nation building foreign adventures and instead focusing on killing terrorists and most of all making sure they--and Islam in general--are kept out of the United States (and the West generally)

    ... McCain would have become President of the United States!

    It's precisely because McCain is neither any sort of "maverick" nor a patriot--but a generic globalist tool--that his legacy is "loser".

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Auntie Analogue

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP'S CABINET. The Idea has been floated but that guy's a Swamp Creature of the deepest, swampiest tier

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Bubba

  5. … he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

    Some people can be trusted to take part in politics and some people can’t. The New York Times will let you know who’s qualified to engage in self-government and who’s not. Apparently the people of Chemnitz are not; they’re too blinded by ancestral passions. Let’s face it, the difference between “Chemnitz” and “Auschwitz” is only a few letters.

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1035976453454622720

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/1036151436382531585

    , @kaganovitch
    @Cagey Beast

    Some people can be trusted to take part in politics and some people can’t. The New York Times will let you know who’s qualified to engage in self-government and who’s not. Apparently the people of Chemnitz are not; they’re too blinded by ancestral passions. Let’s face it, the difference between “Chemnitz” and “Auschwitz” is only a few letters.

    Back in East Germany days, Chemnitz was called Karl Marx Stadt. I'll bet the Grey Hag could have gotten on board with that.

  6. The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as “conspiracy theorists”.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Mike1

    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.

    Replies: @prusmc, @Anonymous

    , @Clyde
    @Mike1


    I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently.
     
    No doubt in the toilet paper biz. Must be Charmin Ultra Soft and why we need all immigrants legal/illegal and the most fake phony asylum seekers we can get.
    Invade the world, invite the world>>>
    Plus my #3 is all green card holders, border jumpers and fake asylum seekers must buy lots of ultra soft toilet paper, or be deported, to be replaced by those who will.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Mike1

    I like the part where Herr Lieberman mentioned how McCain was supporting the so-called "Gun Show Loophole" i.e. U.S. government gun registration for all gun transactions. Remember, the US Congress passed legislation preventing funds from being utilized to computerize Form 4473 gun purchase forms. And then one day on television ABC had on a program where BATF had done just that under the Clinton regime: they had implemented a program to utilize Form 4473 data in a defacto "gun registration" program. (Gun shops that cease operation are required to turn the 4473s to ATF.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Mike1

    "(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)"

    Is it Axe Aftershave?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Roderick Spode

    , @Grumbler
    @Mike1

    Whenever I am accused of being a "conspiracy theorist" I reply "No, I am a Truthist.; that is to say that I am one who seeks only the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Now are you really arguing that the Warren Report, the Gulf of Tonkin , the 9/11 Commission, the Fed's story on Waco, Iraqi WMDs, strange mass shootings, etc are all the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth and therefore completely beyond any dispute?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato

    , @Jean Ralphio
    @Mike1

    I’ve talked to a few Trump supporters who were supportive of McCain and thought Trump shouldn’t have criticized him. They believe the war hero hype too (guess they’ve never heard of Audie Murphy). I’m in a southern state that worships the military so I thought maybe it was that but I think you’re right that a lot of people can’t spot a fake conservative, maybe because of Steve’s reasoning that there’s no word or phrase for it. I don’t see how someone can have watched or read the news the last 18 years and not see McCain as the opposite of everything Trump and his movement stand for.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Realist, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    , @Svigor
    @Mike1

    "Conspiracy theorist" negs are pretty easy to counter. The entire left subscribes to "conspiracy theories" about "the patriarchy," "white privilege," "Amerikkka," "systemic white supremacy," vast conspiracies to make blacks fail, shadowy networks of antisemites, etc., so just mention them whenever people go on about "conspiracy theories."

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike1


    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets.
     
    I appreciate your story, Mike. However, they are NOT fake Republicans. They are just plain Republicans, one of the two color-squads of THE PARTY. You may mean "fake conservatives", as most of them are indeed that. After I'd heard the term RINO for a while, I realized that, cute as the term is, it's erroneous. They are RIAs (Republicans In Actuality), or maybe CINOs. Nobody said Republicans were conservative - it's just been the only place for conservatives to try to find help or be of help.

    Think about this: Why did the Republican politicians try to do anything to block Donald Trump? He's not a conservative in all aspects but he is (was?) on the existential immigration issue. They fought against him until we was President, knowing that now they may have to pretend to work with him. For 75% of the GOP politicians, if they could switch to D right now and still get elected, they'd have no problem doing that.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike1

    Mike1, It has to be Preparation H, because while many of us on this site are assholes, few are perfect assholes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Art Deco
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    You don't because he wasn't. The American Conservative Union reported that he voted with them 81% of the time over the course of his career (87% of the time prior to 1995, about 77% of the time thereafter). He was an episodic irritant but voted with the Republican caucus most of the time. About 20% of the current Senate Republican caucus would be at least as recalcitrant as far as party whips are concerned.

    Replies: @Noah172, @Ifrank

  7. Yep. he shock-and-awed borders around the world.

    And US immigration policy is Suck-and-own.

  8. Lions of The Senate, Lions of The Swamp, what’s the diff! Eternally reaching across the aisle. Always invading and inviting the world. Open borders here we come, ye haw! In their prime there was nothing Ted Kennedy, McCain and Lieberman could not accomplish. Add Christopher Dodd (not a Lion btw) and you had waitress sandwiches, as in true alpha mavericks getting it on at La Brasserie in DC.
    Alpha as in drilling for offshore oil said Senator Howard Heflin.

    Aug 29, 2009 · Was Senator Howell Heflin right when she said that in 1985 Teddy changed his position on “offshore drilling”?

    Mavericks all! As in unique, very special, Lionized Lionizated US Senate mavericks. Did I mention they were all true mavericks? Not like light in the loafers Linseed Graham, trying desperately to pick up McCain’s maverick mantle. Oh how he cried at Aretha’s McCain’s funeral.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    Was Senator Howell Heflin right when she said
     
    Heflin was a tranny?

    Replies: @Clyde

  9. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    @L Woods

    Does that translate into hate for PDJT? Or does it mean they bought into the idea that McCain was a hero? I went along with that view for many years particularly when the search was on for a candidate to go against Clinton lite: Al Gore.
    His erratic actions in 2008 opened my eyes and I voted against Obama. I liked Sarah. As McCain went on I began to study his background and watched him until I finally was convinced that he and the Great Beached Whale should have been joined at the hip.

    , @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

  10. The Manufactured McCain: Lifting Up A Bloodstained, Lying, Venal Servant of Capitalist Empire

    https://www.blackagendareport.com/manufactured-mccain-lifting-bloodstained-lying-venal-servant-capitalist-empire

    Also from Black Adgenda Report a Black perspective on BlackkKlansman. The black detective started out infiltrating Black organizations.

    Spike Lee’s Film Makes Cop That Spied on Blacks Into Hero
    https://www.blackagendareport.com/spike-lees-film-makes-cop-spied-blacks-hero

  11. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently.

    No doubt in the toilet paper biz. Must be Charmin Ultra Soft and why we need all immigrants legal/illegal and the most fake phony asylum seekers we can get.
    Invade the world, invite the world>>>
    Plus my #3 is all green card holders, border jumpers and fake asylum seekers must buy lots of ultra soft toilet paper, or be deported, to be replaced by those who will.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Clyde


    Plus my #3 is all green card holders, border jumpers and fake asylum seekers must buy lots of ultra soft toilet paper, or be deported, to be replaced by those who will.
     
    But don’t most of them come from places where they’ve never seen either toilets or paper?
  12. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    I like the part where Herr Lieberman mentioned how McCain was supporting the so-called “Gun Show Loophole” i.e. U.S. government gun registration for all gun transactions. Remember, the US Congress passed legislation preventing funds from being utilized to computerize Form 4473 gun purchase forms. And then one day on television ABC had on a program where BATF had done just that under the Clinton regime: they had implemented a program to utilize Form 4473 data in a defacto “gun registration” program. (Gun shops that cease operation are required to turn the 4473s to ATF.)

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @Joe Stalin

    Those actors never got the accents right ;)

    BTW, didn't McCain oppose the MLK Day thing in AZ, and get flak over that? He did. This famous song references the then-governor, not McHero: https://youtu.be/zrFOb_f7ubw

  13. “McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election. ”

    You almost get the impression that if given the chance, McCain would have given Lenin, Stalin and Mao a run for their money on who could murder the most people as a dictator.

    • Agree: ben tillman, Bubba
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why do you think Lenin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (unless you inexplicably blame Lenin for what Stalin did after Lenin died)? I realize this is a right wing safe space, but to not include old Adolf in the top three seems pretty indefensible.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

    , @BB753
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Aviators tend to be short. Senator McCain certainly was short, in a field, namely politics, where every inch counts (no homo). To be successful in politics, 6 feet tall is the minimum. So McCain had to overcompensate by being the most belligerent, maverick, and manliest politician.
    Short man syndrome. Also, daddy issues.
    McCain was only great at being evil.

  14. At the funeral his daughter spoke of his missionary spirit to bring freedom to people all around the world. His ghostwriter Salter talked about it in an NPR interview earlier this week where the phony interviewer was choking back tears

    So it’s right there- the neocons/neolibs are now openly admitting to their heritage of psychotic Puritanical missionary zeal for their religion of democracy and equal values.

    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.
     
    That's crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what "ultimately" means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any "revolutionary" aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Sarah Toga, @Le Autiste Corv, @Samuel Skinner

    , @Sarah Toga
    @S. Anonyia

    Let me suggest to you to read something about, or by, Puritans. Reading John Owens' classic work, "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ" would be a good start.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @S. Anonyia

    The Puritans were Christians. What are Christians? Just another Jewish cult.

  15. Was there any polling done in late 2008 as to how bad a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have lost to Obama? They may not have hit 40% nationally.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Barnard

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    Yes, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have gone nowhere.

    Replies: @jesse helms think-alike, @Stan d Mute, @Bragadocious

    , @TTSSYF
    @Barnard

    I don't think McCain would have won with any running mate. I voted for him, because I saw through Obama from the very start, but I knew too many people at the time who were too enthralled with the idea of voting for the black guy. Try as hard as I could, there was simply no dissuading them from it. One relative has sheepishly admitted her mistake and told me she voted for Trump.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @Barnard

    Where is that video of Lieberman whispering in McCain's ear, telling him what to say.

  16. One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ChrisZ

    this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”

    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Rod1963
    @ChrisZ

    McCain was the last "good white person" because he worked so hard to get us into wars to kill off and maim young white men. To help flood the country with 3rd world savages and hollow out our nation industries to cripple us.

    Trump, doing the opposite it the ultimate in 'bad whites" because he's not part of the Death Cult that McCain so happily embraced and what we call the Left/multikult/Po-Mo/Globalist movement.

    Replies: @Sarah Toga

    , @ben tillman
    @ChrisZ


    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”
     
    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    Replies: @David In TN, @El Dato, @anonymous

    , @Bugg
    @ChrisZ

    McCain bragged that the longest he had lived in any one place was in Hanoi. Understandably how he got there was great personal sacrifice and it was a terrible experience. He was rootless. But really from his very birth in Panama his most native habitat would be Washington DC. And that's a fever swamp filled with zealous often wrongheaded ideas on both sides of the aisle. Do something! The concept that people would like to be left alone, be they American taxpayers or Afghan goatherders , is alien to such place. You don't get credit nor monument nor an obnoxious funeral for leaving people the f__ alone. Really that's what the founding of this country was all about; a bunch of merchants so cranky about their faraway government taxing their beverage of choice that they would instead blow the heads off the most powerful army of it's day to be left alone. And as Dennis Miller says, it wasn't even coffee.

    The spectacle of this funeral was appalling.

    , @Forbes
    @ChrisZ

    A good description of reinforcement of The Narrative.

    Shamelessly invoking “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity, which is precisely what the ascendant culture disputes.

    The Big Lie.

    , @Olorin
    @ChrisZ


    The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person
     
    I think you mean "celebrating."
  17. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    “(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)”

    Is it Axe Aftershave?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    “(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)”

    Is it Axe Aftershave?
     
    Depends..
    , @Roderick Spode
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Oxycontin

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

  18. Why are you people even concerned so much about the jewish media’s portrayal of the traitor John McCain?
    Of course they are going to give him Kudos, he was a warmonger and a good servant of the jews.
    Better for all of us to turn off the television, since we all know which tribe controls it. And then go urinate on McCain grave in due time

  19. “Joe Lieberman, one of Sen. John McCain’s closest friends”

    Who is (was) the luckier?

  20. @L Woods
    @Mike1

    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.

    Replies: @prusmc, @Anonymous

    Does that translate into hate for PDJT? Or does it mean they bought into the idea that McCain was a hero? I went along with that view for many years particularly when the search was on for a candidate to go against Clinton lite: Al Gore.
    His erratic actions in 2008 opened my eyes and I voted against Obama. I liked Sarah. As McCain went on I began to study his background and watched him until I finally was convinced that he and the Great Beached Whale should have been joined at the hip.

  21. I don’t think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Astorian

    Media had us all convinced that Sarah Palin was dumber than she actually is. It didn't help that she speaks in that goofy, Upper Midwest, Fargo accent that an East Coast sharpie will identify as the sound of a chump.

    As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    Sarah Palin would have been a better president than John McCain (but that's not saying much). Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, "she's good masturbation material."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Danindc, @Anonymous

    , @TTSSYF
    @Astorian

    Sarah Palin was abused by the media every bit as much as Trump is, and I think it made her act goofier than she would have if she had been treated fairly. Although it never totally destroyed her, she (like 99.9% of people) couldn't slough it off as Trump apparently can (as he dishes it right back at them). I had mixed feelings about McCain and, as one commenter stated, cast my vote for him mostly as a vote against Obama. I turned on him when he openly turned on Palin. To not invite her to the funeral was the epitome of pettiness and vindictiveness.

    , @AndrewR
    @Astorian

    Agreed. He had no one to blame but himself for choosing her, and she never once bad-mouthed him. The way she responded recently to his final disrespect towards her was very classy.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Astorian


    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.
     
    Some guys have a natural "hell raising" streak, or can be "difficult" out of high principle.

    I'm unfit to judge the issue of McCain's POW time--his behavior, the offer of early release, etc. (And I don't want to wade into that swamp--whatever he did or didn't do, he didn't come home early.)

    But i will say that there's absolutely nothing in the public record of the rest of his personal or professional life that shows McCain to be a man of high character. His record is one of being just a rude, pompous asshole. A lowlife who will sell-out anything and trash anyone for the greater glory of John McCain's fragile ego--most of all selling out the interests of his own voters, the American people.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Astorian


    I don’t think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP,...
     
    I don't think she was a GREAT selection, like Ron Paul would have been. However, her selection was the only thing that got me to even think about voting for the GOP in the '08 Pres-election. As I've written here on unz, and here (Juan McAmnesty - Rot in Place) on Peak Stupidity, "I remember telling someone back then that I couldn’t be assured that McCain would get impeached or die in the first coupla years, so I’d just go ahead and vote Constitution/Libertarian again. "
    , @Jimi Shmendrix
    @Astorian

    I remember thinking in 2008, when he chose Palin - "Wow! He's throwing the race on purpose."

    Has that conspiratainment theory gotten any attention?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  22. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    Whenever I am accused of being a “conspiracy theorist” I reply “No, I am a Truthist.; that is to say that I am one who seeks only the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Now are you really arguing that the Warren Report, the Gulf of Tonkin , the 9/11 Commission, the Fed’s story on Waco, Iraqi WMDs, strange mass shootings, etc are all the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth and therefore completely beyond any dispute?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Grumbler

    Of all our commenters, I wouldn't rank Truth high on the dependability scale. Though he is funny at times. Sometimes on purpose.

    , @El Dato
    @Grumbler

    These are interesting discussion themes and it is sad there there is no whiteboard when one needs it.

    Discussion (even on TV) should ONLY be held in front of whiteboards with people holding markers.

  23. Heartiste had the best rejoinder to the “propositional nation” malarkey ever:

    “If America is an idea, why can’t we just send a copy of that idea to shithole countries so they can build their own cities on the hill?”

    • Agree: Svigor, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Thomas

    Ironically, I think he may very well have ripped that off an old iSteve post...

    , @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC
    @Thomas

    It’s been tried. Monrovia, the constitution was a clone of the US constitution.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  24. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    I’ve talked to a few Trump supporters who were supportive of McCain and thought Trump shouldn’t have criticized him. They believe the war hero hype too (guess they’ve never heard of Audie Murphy). I’m in a southern state that worships the military so I thought maybe it was that but I think you’re right that a lot of people can’t spot a fake conservative, maybe because of Steve’s reasoning that there’s no word or phrase for it. I don’t see how someone can have watched or read the news the last 18 years and not see McCain as the opposite of everything Trump and his movement stand for.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Jean Ralphio

    RINO has been a household word for many years.

    Replies: @Jean Ralphio, @Anonymous

    , @Realist
    @Jean Ralphio

    This is a excellent opportunity to discover who is a Deep State State member or sycophant....see who supports McCain.

    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Jean Ralphio

    My father is 85 years old and served 30 years in the military. He was born and raised in a small town in Central Texas during the depression. He was a pilot and served in Vietnam when I was a kid. One of his brothers was about 10 years older than he was and served in WWII as a bomber pilot. He was shot down in the Ploesti oil field raids. My uncle's commander told him and his fellow pilots before they left that that a lot of them would be shot down and would not survive.

    My uncle was lucky. His co-pilot died when their plane was downed, but my uncle survived and was found by the enemy soldiers with a badly mangled leg. They amputated his leg below the knee and he spent time in a POW camp until the war ended. (He said he was treated very humanely in the camp.)

    My father became a military pilot because his older brother was his hero. My point is that men of my father's generation are a different breed. They considered serving their country to be a great honor. I grew up on military bases surrounded by Vietnam War vets. Most were cut from the same cloth as my father. Very honorable men willing to risk death for their country.

    Men of that generation grew up in a different world. Most can't even begin to understand what their nation has become. They instinctively support the military today because it was an honorable institution when they served. Sure there were weasels like John McCain, but they were the exception.

    Although I think the leaders of our current military are largely tools of a corrupt governing elite, I keep my opinions to myself around my father out of respect to his service.

    It saddens me that my father's world no longer exists.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  25. Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.
    https://m.media-

    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Daniel H

    I've used up my LOL points here but I second snorlax!

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Daniel H

    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed commenters in the last few threads have been bringing their A-games to iSteve? Pretty soon Steve can sell his blog for Onion money!

    , @newrouter
    @Daniel H

    I wonder if McCain's body is riddled with bullet holes? Could explain the tirade.

    , @Anonymous
    @Daniel H

    And here I thought that transformer was only infamous for eating sh*t. I didn't he/she/they also talked sh*t too.

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @Daniel H

    Divine definitely wore it better.

  26. “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders”

    In other words, he was an American imperialist. He thought “America” should include Eurasian Georgia and Ukraine, that Mexicans swarming across an undefended border into his adopted home state was just dandy, and that killing people in the jungles of southeast Asia who never did, and never could, attack America was his life’s defining achievement.

    I’d just love to hear what Washington and Jefferson would have said about that…

  27. Daniel H:

    By George You’ve Got It.

  28. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”

    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly, Harry: another unasked question.

    Likewise willfully overlooked by the commentariat: despite all the high-sounding unanimity about inclusiveness, anti-bigotry, and bringing people together, the complexion of the mourners in the National Cathedral was extremely uniform.

    Can we expect to see #FuneralSoWhite?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

     

    With Serie A, La Liga, the Premier League, and the Bundesliga all having begun their seasons this month, I doubt they're even aware it took place.
  29. What McCain’s interminable memorial service has done is unite the elites who want to overturn the last election and deny American citizens their right to self-government.

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    What McCain’s interminable memorial service has done
     
    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Art
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Absolutely – the whole McCain passing was a security state love fest, promoting the national government and the neocon MIC.

    With a gushing media, the government establishment types, were waving the flag and giving the middle class Trump voters the finger. There were no huge throngs of Americans at these events. It was mostly government show time and back patting. (The Senate’s endless praising of McCain was disgusting.)

    The truth is that Trump has disturbed the establishment to its core.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. In the end, McCain showed his true petty nature by not inviting Palin.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  30. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods
    @Mike1

    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.

    Replies: @prusmc, @Anonymous

    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.

    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    You’re preaching to the choir. “Our” military is marinated top to bottom in moral cowardice.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do.
     
    Sounds like a bunch of blue-pilled, normie cucks that are still trapped in the Matrix.

    I bet a bunch of them are the double and triple-chinned NCOs and junior officers I see running around my company from time to time.

    Bad-ass soldiers?

    Right, right....
    , @Svigor
    @Anonymous

    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Stan d Mute

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @Anonymous

    They watch the same tv and movies as everyone else in this stupid country.

    , @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC
    @Anonymous

    These soldiers climb up on their own crosses and demand that others hammer the nails in for good measure. Bloody fools.

  31. @Buzz Mohawk
    What McCain's interminable memorial service has done is unite the elites who want to overturn the last election and deny American citizens their right to self-government.

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar, @Art

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling — I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Whiskey


    Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then
     
    Hardly. Wellstone had the best replacement candidate imaginable-- a locally popular Vice President with loads of experience and connections in the Senate-- who lost to a party-switching mayor with a Brooklyn accent. Who'd just lost to a wrestler four years earlier.

    Any wave was due to resentment for their having blowing the 2000 election.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Whiskey


    Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.
     
    Well then that's the end of the white race in California, because all those freed felons will go right out and inseminate all the California girls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RDK3xvTZqY

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @TTSSYF
    @Whiskey

    It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I'm not so sure about this blue wave in November. There are a lot of Trump supporters who keep quiet about it.

    , @Glaivester
    @Whiskey

    Uh - 2002 was one of the only times in the last century when the party in charge of the White House (the GOP at the time) gained seats in Congress in the mid-terms.

    NOT a blue wave, just the opposite.

    M. Jose

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, while some here might dismiss your comment about Jerry "Moon Beam" Brown as hyperbole, I would like to point out that Brown recently commuted the sentences of six convicted killers, all of whom were sentenced to "Life without the possibility of parole." So, anything is possible.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @AnotherDad
    @Whiskey


    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.
     
    Whiskey, i was under the apprehension that while i'm an old guy--memory not what it once was--you're a bit younger. You should have your memory checked.

    The Wellstone funeral was a touchstone of political-funereral disaster. Not only was there no "blue wave", with their over-the-top unpleasant politicing the Democrats managed to alienate even mild Minnesotans and lose Wellstone's seat.

    "Unhinged lunacy" is not really a winning message. Which is why we really need Trump to get some friggin' message discipline and run on
    -- better economy
    -- closing the border and shutting down immigration--improving job prospects, housing prices and quality of life for Americans
    -- the Democrats--now open ("abolish ICE!)--open borders lunacy

    This election should be a layup.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Whiskey

    Its no wonder Steve quotes you since your level of political commentary is about where his is.

    "Wellstoned" is a term for when a political spectacle backfires on the party putting it on.

  32. @Daniel H
    Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/meghan-mccain1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1
    https://m.media-


    https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/6efd131c-c4f7-40e4-9a32-7496a01e55e0.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Stan d Mute, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Crew Cut Man

    I’ve used up my LOL points here but I second snorlax!

  33. @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    You’re preaching to the choir. “Our” military is marinated top to bottom in moral cowardice.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @L Woods

    If I were top brass in the US military, I'd either resign or blow my brains out! There's no honor in serving this military, but dishonor. My guess is they're gutless cowards.

  34. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    McCain was the last “good white person” because he worked so hard to get us into wars to kill off and maim young white men. To help flood the country with 3rd world savages and hollow out our nation industries to cripple us.

    Trump, doing the opposite it the ultimate in ‘bad whites” because he’s not part of the Death Cult that McCain so happily embraced and what we call the Left/multikult/Po-Mo/Globalist movement.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    @Rod1963

    Spot on comment. Senator McNasty not only blood-lusted to send White American boys to die in pointless wars, he traveled to Ukraine and other hot spots to stir up war. Which would have, again, been Whites killing Whites.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    @ChrisZ

    this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”

    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Reg Cæsar

    Exactly, Harry: another unasked question.

    Likewise willfully overlooked by the commentariat: despite all the high-sounding unanimity about inclusiveness, anti-bigotry, and bringing people together, the complexion of the mourners in the National Cathedral was extremely uniform.

    Can we expect to see #FuneralSoWhite?

  36. @Grumbler
    @Mike1

    Whenever I am accused of being a "conspiracy theorist" I reply "No, I am a Truthist.; that is to say that I am one who seeks only the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Now are you really arguing that the Warren Report, the Gulf of Tonkin , the 9/11 Commission, the Fed's story on Waco, Iraqi WMDs, strange mass shootings, etc are all the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth and therefore completely beyond any dispute?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato

    Of all our commenters, I wouldn’t rank Truth high on the dependability scale. Though he is funny at times. Sometimes on purpose.

  37. @Buzz Mohawk
    What McCain's interminable memorial service has done is unite the elites who want to overturn the last election and deny American citizens their right to self-government.

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar, @Art

    What McCain’s interminable memorial service has done

    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar


    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.
     
    Tuesday. Monday is Labor Day.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  38. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    Media had us all convinced that Sarah Palin was dumber than she actually is. It didn’t help that she speaks in that goofy, Upper Midwest, Fargo accent that an East Coast sharpie will identify as the sound of a chump.

    As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    Sarah Palin would have been a better president than John McCain (but that’s not saying much). Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, “she’s good masturbation material.”

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, “she’s good masturbation material.”
     
    There are good reasons Mrs. Palin inspired the adult industry to create an entire run of films inspired by her.

    She could never admit it publicly, but I bet she is secretly flattered that such a group of jaded professionals found her so...arousing....

    Personally, I thought Moscow, ID was a really cool little college town. I found U of I's campus quite picturesque. The nearby Best Western gets many of their restaurant's ingredients fresh from the campus farm. Freshest breakfast pork I've ever had on my plate!

    I would not have minded doing my undergrad years at U of I, so I figure anyone who went there must be kinda cool.

    , @Danindc
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Would’ve been nice if she could list one thing she read in the Couric interview. Just one thing. Time magazine would’ve sufficed.

    , @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She's pretty dumb, but the main problem is how trashy she is. How about that incident with the cops breaking up a big fist fight between her family and another, at a frat party, about 2 years ago.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

  39. @Clyde
    @Mike1


    I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently.
     
    No doubt in the toilet paper biz. Must be Charmin Ultra Soft and why we need all immigrants legal/illegal and the most fake phony asylum seekers we can get.
    Invade the world, invite the world>>>
    Plus my #3 is all green card holders, border jumpers and fake asylum seekers must buy lots of ultra soft toilet paper, or be deported, to be replaced by those who will.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Plus my #3 is all green card holders, border jumpers and fake asylum seekers must buy lots of ultra soft toilet paper, or be deported, to be replaced by those who will.

    But don’t most of them come from places where they’ve never seen either toilets or paper?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  40. @Joe Stalin
    @Mike1

    I like the part where Herr Lieberman mentioned how McCain was supporting the so-called "Gun Show Loophole" i.e. U.S. government gun registration for all gun transactions. Remember, the US Congress passed legislation preventing funds from being utilized to computerize Form 4473 gun purchase forms. And then one day on television ABC had on a program where BATF had done just that under the Clinton regime: they had implemented a program to utilize Form 4473 data in a defacto "gun registration" program. (Gun shops that cease operation are required to turn the 4473s to ATF.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    Those actors never got the accents right 😉

    BTW, didn’t McCain oppose the MLK Day thing in AZ, and get flak over that? He did. This famous song references the then-governor, not McHero:

  41. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Mike1

    "(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)"

    Is it Axe Aftershave?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Roderick Spode

    “(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)”

    Is it Axe Aftershave?

    Depends..

  42. @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do.

    Sounds like a bunch of blue-pilled, normie cucks that are still trapped in the Matrix.

    I bet a bunch of them are the double and triple-chinned NCOs and junior officers I see running around my company from time to time.

    Bad-ass soldiers?

    Right, right….

  43. @Daniel H
    Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/meghan-mccain1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1
    https://m.media-


    https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/6efd131c-c4f7-40e4-9a32-7496a01e55e0.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Stan d Mute, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Crew Cut Man

    Is it just me or has anybody else noticed commenters in the last few threads have been bringing their A-games to iSteve? Pretty soon Steve can sell his blog for Onion money!

  44. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    O/T

    Ill omen on the statue purge

    The far-left receives a sort of psycho-sexual glee out of destroying the statues.
    Despite the public being polled as being against removal, any criminal charges against vigilantes are thrown out by the judge, jury nullification is also possible.
    Given that the Democrats no longer need the vote of the Southern working class whites, there is no defense of the Confederates as proto-socialist “Southern Agrarians”, thus any apologism for the Confederates is seen by the cultural elite as indistinguishable from Nazi Germany. (The author is a leftist professor, but then again you can count the number of right-wing professors with two hands)
    The only thing that can feasibly stop the tide of removal is “exemplary sentencing”, extralegal violence has always backfired.
    Recall the fearstorm whipped up by the ADL early last year about a Jewish cemetery being vandalized that was later found to be subsidence, we don’t gain anything by knocking down one of theirs.

    https://twitter.com/TheHempiricist/status/1035649469730058241

    Fundamentally we cannot live in the same society as these people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    Weird to call that statue "vandalized." It's been destroyed.

  45. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then

    Hardly. Wellstone had the best replacement candidate imaginable– a locally popular Vice President with loads of experience and connections in the Senate– who lost to a party-switching mayor with a Brooklyn accent. Who’d just lost to a wrestler four years earlier.

    Any wave was due to resentment for their having blowing the 2000 election.

  46. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Astorian

    Media had us all convinced that Sarah Palin was dumber than she actually is. It didn't help that she speaks in that goofy, Upper Midwest, Fargo accent that an East Coast sharpie will identify as the sound of a chump.

    As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    Sarah Palin would have been a better president than John McCain (but that's not saying much). Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, "she's good masturbation material."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Danindc, @Anonymous

    Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, “she’s good masturbation material.”

    There are good reasons Mrs. Palin inspired the adult industry to create an entire run of films inspired by her.

    She could never admit it publicly, but I bet she is secretly flattered that such a group of jaded professionals found her so…arousing….

    Personally, I thought Moscow, ID was a really cool little college town. I found U of I’s campus quite picturesque. The nearby Best Western gets many of their restaurant’s ingredients fresh from the campus farm. Freshest breakfast pork I’ve ever had on my plate!

    I would not have minded doing my undergrad years at U of I, so I figure anyone who went there must be kinda cool.

  47. The Geo. Bushes, père et fils, were Horsemen nos. 1 & 3 of the Globalist Apocalypse.

  48. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Well then that’s the end of the white race in California, because all those freed felons will go right out and inseminate all the California girls.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The girls they'd inseminate would all be four feet nine inches of Mayan descent. I live here. Haven't seen a blonde girl in years.

    Replies: @Alden

  49. America isn’t about you, goy; it’s about our ideas.

  50. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Bush is a sellout. Lieberman and Schumer aren’t sellouts; they’re loyal to their people.

  51. Anonymous[547] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/seven-injured-after-wild-inner-melbourne-brawl-involving-up-to-200-people/news-story/215cc72e591d60bb80ddf722fd7a099f

    29 paragraphs in they get to the race/ethnicity of these 200 people. According the ex-PM Turnbull, Australia is the most successful multicultural country in the world.

  52. For sure Songbird was a Democratic plant.

    He was also a piece of shit.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  53. @S. Anonyia
    At the funeral his daughter spoke of his missionary spirit to bring freedom to people all around the world. His ghostwriter Salter talked about it in an NPR interview earlier this week where the phony interviewer was choking back tears

    So it's right there- the neocons/neolibs are now openly admitting to their heritage of psychotic Puritanical missionary zeal for their religion of democracy and equal values.

    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this "revolutionary spirit" but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Sarah Toga, @Redneck farmer

    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.

    That’s crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what “ultimately” means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any “revolutionary” aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @ben tillman

    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose. The whole nation of ideals crap came from the Puritans first. Other colonists were just here for cheap land and a chance at making money. Normal stuff, just making a home.

    Did not realize Puritans lived next to Jews in the Netherlands. I think those would be Sephardic though and they aren’t really known for being particularly ideological. Though I could be wrong and am curious.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    , @Sarah Toga
    @ben tillman

    Are you thinking of the Pilgrims' sojourn in Holland? Generally speaking, the Puritans wanted to change the C of E from within, they generally stayed in England until the persecutions drove so many to become homesteaders/settlers in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. By contrast the Pilgrims typically separated from the established church. I have to admit I never heard of Pilgrim relations with Dutch Jews.
    OT, I've seen reference in these comment threads of studies that find the Puritan settlers were high IQ. It seems the Puritan movement attracted people with high verbal ability. Interesting. That could turn out to be good or bad. Obama's mother was a descendant of Puritans who went over to the Unitarian/Universalist sect.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Le Autiste Corv
    @ben tillman

    New Englanders always were known for their missionizing spirit and Messianism whether cloaked in overt, righteous, John Brown rhetoric or in the more prosaic, and less threatening rhetoric of
    "improving", whether it be Asian or Polynesian heathens or Southern barbarians. Perhaps the 17-century colonists weren't Messianic, but their 18th and 19th-century descendants certainly were. P

    Interesting little fact about the Battle of the Crater during the Civil War. White soldiers were sent in to the killing zone first because Meade didn't want to be accused of using blacks as cannon fodder. I make this point because at a time when the Ashkenazi were still mostly peddlers, WASPs were already acting like characters in a Tom Wolfe novel.

    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Samuel Skinner
    @ben tillman


    How did Puritans even get into the conversation?
     
    Ah, you haven't been introduced to modern reaction. If you want the details ask, but most people don't find relentlessly cynical and clinical examination of human behavior interesting.

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any “revolutionary” aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.
     
    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

  54. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    “Conspiracy theorist” negs are pretty easy to counter. The entire left subscribes to “conspiracy theories” about “the patriarchy,” “white privilege,” “Amerikkka,” “systemic white supremacy,” vast conspiracies to make blacks fail, shadowy networks of antisemites, etc., so just mention them whenever people go on about “conspiracy theories.”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Moses
    @Svigor

    Yes. This.

    I've always thought using the Left's words against them is a winner.

    - Fear mongering. "Saying America doesn't have a chance to win a trade war with China is fear mongering."

    - Conspiracy theory. "Russia collusion is a crazy conspiracy theory."

    - Holocaust denial. "Denying that Whites in South Africa are being murdered daily because of their race makes you sound like a holocaust denier."

    Rinse and repeat, and repeat again.

  55. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”

    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @ben tillman

    "90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral."

    Or care.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @El Dato
    @ben tillman

    According CNN's Dana Bash "Angels were crying".

    Or maybe it was the Matrix revealing itself.

    Replies: @Vojkan

    , @anonymous
    @ben tillman


    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.
     
    Not so sure about that, my twitter, instagram, and facebook were all “how dare Ariana Grande where a minidress to a funeral” and “did you see Clinton look at her booty” and “that Bishop grabbed her boob” and “Faith Hill? WTF!?!”

    Replies: @ben tillman

  56. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish everyone was wide awake to the NWO. But think how far we’ve come since 2008.

    The phony rightwing has been flushed. The lunatic leftwing has been radicalized– a one way ticket to the political wilderness.

    The country is in trouble… but the globalists are reeling and that is a big step toward recovery.

    Trump has a great shot at a second term.

    McConnell just broke the latest blockade of Trump judges…

    The demographics are still killing the country. Team Trump needs to go back to Bannonist slash & burn attacks on the swamp and immigration.

    Alex Jones keeps talking about a major false flag 9/11 style event but deep state can’t do it without the public forcing Trump to seal the borders.

  57. @Daniel H
    Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/meghan-mccain1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1
    https://m.media-


    https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/6efd131c-c4f7-40e4-9a32-7496a01e55e0.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Stan d Mute, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Crew Cut Man

    I wonder if McCain’s body is riddled with bullet holes? Could explain the tirade.

  58. The funniest thing is that Lieberman is right: McCain defended America’s borderless values: globalism, corruption, lies, war mongering to benefit MIC, etc. If McCain is an American hero, it’s a shame to be an American.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnonFromTN

    "America" no longer embodies any values worth defending.

  59. @Jean Ralphio
    @Mike1

    I’ve talked to a few Trump supporters who were supportive of McCain and thought Trump shouldn’t have criticized him. They believe the war hero hype too (guess they’ve never heard of Audie Murphy). I’m in a southern state that worships the military so I thought maybe it was that but I think you’re right that a lot of people can’t spot a fake conservative, maybe because of Steve’s reasoning that there’s no word or phrase for it. I don’t see how someone can have watched or read the news the last 18 years and not see McCain as the opposite of everything Trump and his movement stand for.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Realist, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    RINO has been a household word for many years.

    • Replies: @Jean Ralphio
    @Svigor

    There’s a difference between Republicans and real conservatives but it’s difficult to get people to understand that.

    , @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    But Republican no longer means conservative or in the interests of America or )))Western((( civilization. Before Trump I would’ve said my favorite politicians are Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders. But now it’s. And except for all the dollars to the MIC and hiring the worst neo-cons for foreign policy positions, Trump is the best politician and president ever.

  60. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn’t call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The Invade portion of Steve's Three I's is just as important to Democrats as Invite. It's really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @maxblame

    , @TTSSYF
    @Wilkey

    Agreed. And regarding Trump's slam at McCain about being captured -- that was in direct response to McCain's having referred to conservatives as "wacko birds" or something like that.

    McCain had his good points. His speech at the Republican National Convention nominating GWB, in 2000, was one of the best I've ever seen. I think he grew worse as he got older and, at the end, seemed to take a contrary position just to be contrary (i.e., voting against repealing Obamacare).

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @Wilkey

    You are right, and Ann Coulter is right: immigration is essentially the only issue that matters, because if it's not fixed--and fast--none of the other issues will matter one whit. We won't have a country any more.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    , @Clyde
    @Wilkey

    Republican primary for the United States Senate from Arizona, 2010:
    John McCain (inc.) - 284,374 (56.2%)
    J.D. Hayworth – 162,502 (32.1%)
    Jim Deakin – 59,447 (11.7%)


    But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration.
     
    Talk about a nasty, stone cold liar who feels he is owed and owed and owed due to his years in North Vietnam POW camps. McLame came off as hard core on illegal immigration in this vicious 2010 campaign against J.D. Hayworth, who was a solid conservative. As I remember, McCain had a huge campaign war chest that he used. But more importantly, the lazy Arizona voters liked hearing McLames lies about being serious about border enforcement. I am pretty sure Dems could vote in that primary, I know party registration means nothing there as far as voting in Presidential primaries.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @David In TN

  61. I wonder if McCain didn’t mean Senator Richard Blumenthal also of Connecticut who manufactured a phony military resume too.

  62. @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Svigor

    Hey man. Some of us took the “Long March” stratagem seriously.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Svigor


    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.
     
    You can have all three, but then you’ll get fired for it. When a badass Marine can’t call his men “faggots” for doing something juvenile and dishonorable, you know America’s national defense rests solely in the hands of the guys running the silos and nuclear subs. Just wait till we find out he also called them “retards,” this man will probably face a firing squad..

    Following a vandalism incident during a port call visit by the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock New York in Gaeta, Italy, Lt. Col. Marcus J. Mainz, the commander of 2nd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, allegedly used the term “faggot" or “faggoty” during a meeting with the 2/6 Battalion Landing Team leaders, multiple sources have told Marine Corps Times.
     
    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/08/30/26-meu-battalion-commander-fired-during-deployment-over-equal-opportunity-concerns/

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR

  63. “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Can someone stick a mike in front of Joe Lieberman and ask him what he thinks of Israel’s recent declaration that it is an emphatically Jewish state?

    Also please ask him what he thinks of all those Union vets in Congress who voted for the Chinese Exclusion Act back in 1882.

    • Replies: @maxblame
    @Wilkey

    Sticking a mike into Lieberman's mouth would alas require a free press.

    , @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC
    @Wilkey

    I could never stomach the unctuous sheeny. He’s making a speech here pretending to be the young ideal and he’s far advanced into old age. Grey lovelocks and the leering face of the devil himself.

  64. In 2008 a reporter, Paul Harris, overheard and reported our beloved Johnnie McCain reacting badly to his wife Cindy teasing him about his creeping baldness: “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt”.

  65. @Barnard
    Was there any polling done in late 2008 as to how bad a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have lost to Obama? They may not have hit 40% nationally.

    Replies: @David In TN, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    Yes, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have gone nowhere.

    • Replies: @jesse helms think-alike
    @David In TN

    In 2008 McCain was trailing badly as per the script. He even refused to criticize Obama, calling him a good man who he'd be proud to have watch over his children when that dumb lady in the crowd called Obama an "Arab" Palin's initial popularity and rousing speech at the convention caused McCain to briefly draw even or slightly ahead in opinions polls right after the Republican convention.

    This led "Them" to crash the stock market and almost destroy capitalism in order to ensure a Obama victory.

    It's a good thing that Trump was trailing in all polls in the run up to the 2016 elections. There's no telling what "They' would have done and what depths to which "They" would have sunk if somehow a poll showed Trump in the lead.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Stan d Mute
    @David In TN


    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.
     
    All I needed to know was that she rode snowmobiles and hunted. Any chick who can blast Bambi in the face with a 30-06 is a vast improvement over our current political class. If McStain wasn’t on the ticket, I would have voted in 2008.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Bragadocious
    @David In TN

    I think McCain probably wanted Lieberman but his pollsters told him America wasn't yet ready for an openly Israel-first Orthodox Jew one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Too "obvious" even for a sellout like McCain. As for Palin, the good folks at Saturday Night Live quickly buried her. SNL is quite proud of its ability to tip elections, although it's failing miserably with Trump.

  66. @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.
     
    That's crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what "ultimately" means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any "revolutionary" aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Sarah Toga, @Le Autiste Corv, @Samuel Skinner

    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose. The whole nation of ideals crap came from the Puritans first. Other colonists were just here for cheap land and a chance at making money. Normal stuff, just making a home.

    Did not realize Puritans lived next to Jews in the Netherlands. I think those would be Sephardic though and they aren’t really known for being particularly ideological. Though I could be wrong and am curious.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia

    I could write a book in response to your comment.

    , @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose.
     
    That's all Tikkun Olam,which they got from their Jewish next-door neighbors who were trying to open Britain to Jewish immigration.
  67. @S. Anonyia
    At the funeral his daughter spoke of his missionary spirit to bring freedom to people all around the world. His ghostwriter Salter talked about it in an NPR interview earlier this week where the phony interviewer was choking back tears

    So it's right there- the neocons/neolibs are now openly admitting to their heritage of psychotic Puritanical missionary zeal for their religion of democracy and equal values.

    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this "revolutionary spirit" but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Sarah Toga, @Redneck farmer

    Let me suggest to you to read something about, or by, Puritans. Reading John Owens’ classic work, “The Death of Death in the Death of Christ” would be a good start.

  68. @ben tillman
    @ChrisZ


    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”
     
    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    Replies: @David In TN, @El Dato, @anonymous

    “90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.”

    Or care.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @David In TN


    “90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.”

    Or care.
     
    I certainly don't. I have avoided all the news coverage of McCain's funeral and so far I have refrained from even commenting on his death. It does not seem to me as if anything significant has really transpired. There isn't much to say about John McCain himself, but it would not be out of place here to say a few words about those "borderless American values" that his passing supposedly brought to the fore.

    Most importantly, those values are not the standard litany of freedom, democracy, and equality mouthed over and over again by media and government figures. There is a reason why they say such things, but it is more the result of an unacknowledged mental ellipsis than a conscious commitment to those ideas in their original signification. For as long as America is a going concern, its fundamental activity will be described in precisely those terms as a sort of tribute to the old pieties, even as the state itself transforms its character from one year to the next. Consequently, the words have altered in meaning numberless times, and if one cares to look back at what was originally captured under the aegis of those highminded concepts, he will see that they ceased to be living and effective spiritual determinants some generations ago. But there is a word borrowed from the corporate lexicon that really does express the borderless values espoused by McCain and his contemporaries, and which therefore serves as the true underlying meaning of freedom and democracy today. It is a word not alien to Francis Fukuyama's historiography nor to the actual governing practices of Obama or Merkel. The secret sinew tying these varied strings together is the word "Buy-in."

    "Buy-in" as a political philosophy means the process of persuading individuals that their interests are best served by aligning themselves with the supranational (i.e. "borderless") and rational (i.e. "timeless") socioeconomic regime. It is, in the minds of its adherents, quite judicious and even scientific in its use of carrots and sticks---precisely targeted cruise missiles for the worst malefactors, and for everyone else plenty of healthcare, education, cradle-to-grave welfare, free trade, and "economic opportunity." To the chagrin of its detractors, Buy-in does not represent a deviation from the spirit of Western world history but is a new chord precisely in the key of that history and is a natural development from its earliest and most unalterable antecedents.

    As a species of idea, it is thoroughly both post-Marxist and post-Imperialist. It is Marxist in the sense of recognizing only economic-material causes as operative in determining the cultural outlook of individuals and peoples, and also inasmuch as it posits a "class struggle" of sorts as the fundamental driver of historical progression. The old Marxist categories of bourgeoisie and proletariat have given way to a two-fold division between those who have achieved Buy-in (the "Imperium") and those who are awaiting Buy-in (the "provinces"), these categories being applied irrespective of national origin. Foreign elites are every bit as much a part of the Imperium as native billionaires, while the autochthonous underclasses are relegated to provincial status with a stroke. The Imperialist aspects of Buy-in are are evident in its casual unwillingness to eschew the use of occupying military forces in pursuit of its objectives. McCain's famous statement that the American military might remain in Iraq "for 100 years" is quite a natural expression of this attitude. The idea here was that American forces should sit like a lid on the Iraqi cauldron, picking off the militant opposition and distributing largess to a docile citizenry, while under the weight of this capstone the native Iraqi culture would slowly disintegrate until Buy-in was achieved.

    The ruthless manner in which Buy-in sets itself against the existence of nations and borders, as well as any sort of racial or ethnic particularism, is due not to the sentiments of dreamy world-improvers, thrill-seeking xenophiles, or disillusioned native invalids---although these are the useful idiots who provide a great deal of energy to the movement and generally tend to swell its front ranks---but due to an essential and integral logical inconsistency between the one and the other outlook. "Race" is simply not a factor in what Buy-in considers to be enlightened economic self-interest. And since Buy-in recognizes no interests other than these, it cannot fit race into its matrix of causes and effects. It is not even a defined concept, not a computable term. Thus, when an officious modern thinker proudly proclaims that "race does not exist," he is expressing something that is fundamentally true for him modulo the world-system in which he enunciates all of his ideas. This is no mere partisan cant, no airy Utopianism churned up in the detritus of an enervated mind, but an implacable logical consequence of this form of socioeconomic reductionism. The same arguments apply mutatis mutandis to the related concepts of nations, borders, and even sexes; however, the stubborn perdurance of these gives the lie to the theory and function as inadmissible embarrassments for it. They are therefore shoved into the background as "bigotry."

    In its gross effects, Buy-in strives constantly to make the world safe for oligarchy. Here "liberty" means only the free play of capital, with political correctness as the "ethics" of the market square. It is an attitude, an outlook, and a spirit that is quite characteristic of late imperial ages. However much we may see it tending towards dissolution and decay, we do a disservice to the spirit of historical accuracy not to recognize it as the governing morality of the times; and there is no other beside it. It is an effort doomed to failure, artificial and impossible but paradoxically deriving strength from its very unworldliness. In its missionary zeal to spread urban life to the farthest-flung corners of the globe, in its herculean effort to incorporate everyone and everything into the vast domain of its bureaucratic regulatory apparatus, it is fully representative of the great currents of being that run through these days. This is "Imperium," pure and entire. It is, for almost everyone within the scope of the Western cultural sphere and certainly for anyone of significance within that sphere, the self-evident basis of all law, politics, ethics, and culture. It is the dividing line between good and bad men, between wisdom and foolishness, between the saved and the damned. It is the fate of such periods that, despite the obvious inadequacy and absurdity of their political forms, they are the only substrates in which the vestiges of true creative piety still inhere.

    And these are the "American" values the John McCain defended until---literally---his dying breath. "Universal," not by virtue of being everywhere and always true but because their devotees cannot imagine a contrary; "timeless," because the sovereign reason has dispensed with all particularities of time and place; "American," because as hegemon we bear a unique witness to the power of our undying creed. It is without irony that McCain is described as the great American hero, for he embodied the imperial style of our era. Without irony, yes, but not without blame; yet we must realize that any verdict pronounced upon him is likewise pronounced upon our entire existence as a people.

    There are those who opine that the passing of McCain signifies the end of the Pax Americana, and that with him passed also the century of American greatness. They are correct, and I personally think the change has much to commend it. The Caesarism that follows in the wake of "Buy-in" will finally bring about the end of the hypocritical and monotonous program-politics of the imperial age by reacquainting us with the long-neglected realities. But those who believe this will bring about the Restoration of the West will be disappointed. What it brought, in many ways, is its conclusion.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  69. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law….”

    McCain demonstrated his values regarding the border by vacillating between a cry for closed or open borders depending upon whether he was trying to get elected by the people, or whether he was between elections and trying to raise donor funding from elites. The deep roots of the principles mentioned (and several others not mentioned) in the character of McCain were indeed also on display in the man.

  70. @Svigor
    @Anonymous

    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Stan d Mute

    Hey man. Some of us took the “Long March” stratagem seriously.

  71. @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.
     
    That's crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what "ultimately" means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any "revolutionary" aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Sarah Toga, @Le Autiste Corv, @Samuel Skinner

    Are you thinking of the Pilgrims’ sojourn in Holland? Generally speaking, the Puritans wanted to change the C of E from within, they generally stayed in England until the persecutions drove so many to become homesteaders/settlers in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. By contrast the Pilgrims typically separated from the established church. I have to admit I never heard of Pilgrim relations with Dutch Jews.
    OT, I’ve seen reference in these comment threads of studies that find the Puritan settlers were high IQ. It seems the Puritan movement attracted people with high verbal ability. Interesting. That could turn out to be good or bad. Obama’s mother was a descendant of Puritans who went over to the Unitarian/Universalist sect.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Sarah Toga


    Are you thinking of the Pilgrims’ sojourn in Holland?
     
    No, I am not.
  72. @Daniel H
    Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/meghan-mccain1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1
    https://m.media-


    https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/6efd131c-c4f7-40e4-9a32-7496a01e55e0.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Stan d Mute, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Crew Cut Man

    And here I thought that transformer was only infamous for eating sh*t. I didn’t he/she/they also talked sh*t too.

  73. John McCain abandoned his first wife and daughter, for no particular reason.

    What more does anybody need to know?

  74. @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    The Invade portion of Steve’s Three I’s is just as important to Democrats as Invite. It’s really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    @Lugash


    It’s really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?
     
    Or a tool for ducking the draft.
    , @maxblame
    @Lugash

    There is a book in there somewhere re: the absolute disappearance of the anti-war left. Hint: I was at Cornell 1971-75. Those most strongly opposed to the attack on Vietnam were those very same students who told me they were prepared to leave their studies to enlist in the IDF at the time of the Yom Kippur War.

  75. As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    This is a great point that I never remember coming up during the 2008 campaign. Palin’s executive experience as a state governor could have been used as a hedge against the questions about McCain’s health.

    Hell, at that point Palin had more executive experience than Barry Soetero…they could have used that directly against the Democrat ticket if their publicists had two brain cells to rub together. Alas, they had no Lee Atwater or Karl Rove who would have instantly seen the value in Palin’s background and leveraged it more effectively.

  76. He defended the Anglo-Zionist empire. Nothing more.

  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Whiskey


    Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.
     
    Well then that's the end of the white race in California, because all those freed felons will go right out and inseminate all the California girls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RDK3xvTZqY

    Replies: @Whiskey

    The girls they’d inseminate would all be four feet nine inches of Mayan descent. I live here. Haven’t seen a blonde girl in years.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Whiskey

    You’re right. You don’t see pretty blondes even on college campuses any more. A friend once pointed out a slim pretty blonde and said “ that’s a California girl”. I pointed to a gaggle of 4’ 10 200 pound Ugly Indians and said
    “ no those are California girls”

    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Sarah Toga

  78. @Svigor
    @Jean Ralphio

    RINO has been a household word for many years.

    Replies: @Jean Ralphio, @Anonymous

    There’s a difference between Republicans and real conservatives but it’s difficult to get people to understand that.

  79. @David In TN
    @Barnard

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    Yes, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have gone nowhere.

    Replies: @jesse helms think-alike, @Stan d Mute, @Bragadocious

    In 2008 McCain was trailing badly as per the script. He even refused to criticize Obama, calling him a good man who he’d be proud to have watch over his children when that dumb lady in the crowd called Obama an “Arab” Palin’s initial popularity and rousing speech at the convention caused McCain to briefly draw even or slightly ahead in opinions polls right after the Republican convention.

    This led “Them” to crash the stock market and almost destroy capitalism in order to ensure a Obama victory.

    It’s a good thing that Trump was trailing in all polls in the run up to the 2016 elections. There’s no telling what “They’ would have done and what depths to which “They” would have sunk if somehow a poll showed Trump in the lead.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @jesse helms think-alike

    To the extent that the pollaganda was the product of over-sampling Democrat voters, the failure to guarantee an adequate margin of fraud and the subsequent upset victory for Trump was an own-goal.

  80. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The Invade portion of Steve's Three I's is just as important to Democrats as Invite. It's really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @maxblame

    It’s really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    Or a tool for ducking the draft.

  81. @Grumbler
    @Mike1

    Whenever I am accused of being a "conspiracy theorist" I reply "No, I am a Truthist.; that is to say that I am one who seeks only the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Now are you really arguing that the Warren Report, the Gulf of Tonkin , the 9/11 Commission, the Fed's story on Waco, Iraqi WMDs, strange mass shootings, etc are all the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth and therefore completely beyond any dispute?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato

    These are interesting discussion themes and it is sad there there is no whiteboard when one needs it.

    Discussion (even on TV) should ONLY be held in front of whiteboards with people holding markers.

  82. @ben tillman
    @ChrisZ


    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”
     
    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    Replies: @David In TN, @El Dato, @anonymous

    According CNN’s Dana Bash “Angels were crying”.

    Or maybe it was the Matrix revealing itself.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    @El Dato

    How'd she know they were crying? Maybe they were actually pissing.

  83. It’s really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    No, it was a tool for bashing Nixon and Reagan as well. But not for Roosevelt or Kennedy or Clinton or Obama, for some reason.

    They only turned on Wilson and Johnson. Must’ve been their accents…

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

  84. Yeah, Lieberman was McCain’s first choice for VP. His advisers dissuaded him from picking Ioe on the grounds that Lieberman had a 100% pro-abortion voting record. Paul Gottfried said it was too bad it didn’t happen, because the neoconned GOP would then prove it stood for nothing but war, war and more war. But of course it also stood for cheap labor.

  85. I’m sorry, is Lieberman battling a brain tumor too?

  86. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The feel of Weimar: Social Democrats slightly attacked by actual Nazis in Chemnitz.

    Sören Bartol: “I am horrifed. My group from Marburg was ambushed by Nazis while walking to the bus. All the SPD flags were destroyed and some (people, not flags) got actually attacked.”

    A commenter writes: “I thought you weren’t even there, maybe decide yourself?”

    Sören Bartol: “Ever heard of a telephone?”

    ImLiterallyJustEddy: “They were Nazis because they called us “shit anti-German pigs”

  87. @Wilkey
    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Can someone stick a mike in front of Joe Lieberman and ask him what he thinks of Israel's recent declaration that it is an emphatically Jewish state?

    Also please ask him what he thinks of all those Union vets in Congress who voted for the Chinese Exclusion Act back in 1882.

    Replies: @maxblame, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    Sticking a mike into Lieberman’s mouth would alas require a free press.

  88. “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Well, those are pretty good values. At least he didn’t say ‘diversity.’

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Notice how they never want to mention the Naturalization Act of 1790, passed by the First Congress and signed into law by the one and only G. Washington.

    , @ben tillman
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …
     
    Human rights? Not even close.

    The only human right (i.e., the only universalizable right) is the right to be free from aggression. Nothing could be more at odds with human rights than "Invade the world; invite the world."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

  89. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The Invade portion of Steve's Three I's is just as important to Democrats as Invite. It's really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @maxblame

    There is a book in there somewhere re: the absolute disappearance of the anti-war left. Hint: I was at Cornell 1971-75. Those most strongly opposed to the attack on Vietnam were those very same students who told me they were prepared to leave their studies to enlist in the IDF at the time of the Yom Kippur War.

  90. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Let’s do Lieberman a favor. Let’s not play nationalism for any race or people. Let’s treat all peoples with equal sympathy. Let’s treat Jews and Palestinians exactly the same. Let’s treat Iran and Israel the same. No favors for one tribe over any another.

    See how fast the weasel squirms.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  91. Lieberman: McCain Defended Not America’s Borders, But Its Borderless Values

    Exactly and that is what helps makes him an insufferable asshole.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  92. @Jean Ralphio
    @Mike1

    I’ve talked to a few Trump supporters who were supportive of McCain and thought Trump shouldn’t have criticized him. They believe the war hero hype too (guess they’ve never heard of Audie Murphy). I’m in a southern state that worships the military so I thought maybe it was that but I think you’re right that a lot of people can’t spot a fake conservative, maybe because of Steve’s reasoning that there’s no word or phrase for it. I don’t see how someone can have watched or read the news the last 18 years and not see McCain as the opposite of everything Trump and his movement stand for.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Realist, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    This is a excellent opportunity to discover who is a Deep State State member or sycophant….see who supports McCain.

  93. @Jean Ralphio
    @Mike1

    I’ve talked to a few Trump supporters who were supportive of McCain and thought Trump shouldn’t have criticized him. They believe the war hero hype too (guess they’ve never heard of Audie Murphy). I’m in a southern state that worships the military so I thought maybe it was that but I think you’re right that a lot of people can’t spot a fake conservative, maybe because of Steve’s reasoning that there’s no word or phrase for it. I don’t see how someone can have watched or read the news the last 18 years and not see McCain as the opposite of everything Trump and his movement stand for.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Realist, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    My father is 85 years old and served 30 years in the military. He was born and raised in a small town in Central Texas during the depression. He was a pilot and served in Vietnam when I was a kid. One of his brothers was about 10 years older than he was and served in WWII as a bomber pilot. He was shot down in the Ploesti oil field raids. My uncle’s commander told him and his fellow pilots before they left that that a lot of them would be shot down and would not survive.

    My uncle was lucky. His co-pilot died when their plane was downed, but my uncle survived and was found by the enemy soldiers with a badly mangled leg. They amputated his leg below the knee and he spent time in a POW camp until the war ended. (He said he was treated very humanely in the camp.)

    My father became a military pilot because his older brother was his hero. My point is that men of my father’s generation are a different breed. They considered serving their country to be a great honor. I grew up on military bases surrounded by Vietnam War vets. Most were cut from the same cloth as my father. Very honorable men willing to risk death for their country.

    Men of that generation grew up in a different world. Most can’t even begin to understand what their nation has become. They instinctively support the military today because it was an honorable institution when they served. Sure there were weasels like John McCain, but they were the exception.

    Although I think the leaders of our current military are largely tools of a corrupt governing elite, I keep my opinions to myself around my father out of respect to his service.

    It saddens me that my father’s world no longer exists.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    It saddens a lot of people that your father’s world no longer exists.

  94. @S. Anonyia
    At the funeral his daughter spoke of his missionary spirit to bring freedom to people all around the world. His ghostwriter Salter talked about it in an NPR interview earlier this week where the phony interviewer was choking back tears

    So it's right there- the neocons/neolibs are now openly admitting to their heritage of psychotic Puritanical missionary zeal for their religion of democracy and equal values.

    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this "revolutionary spirit" but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Sarah Toga, @Redneck farmer

    The Puritans were Christians. What are Christians? Just another Jewish cult.

  95. McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

    What accounted for this inability? Dark forces within the GOP or is it just a turn of phrase?

  96. Lieberman’s statements are rhetoric just as much as what the fact checkers call Trump’s untruths. Funeral orations and political speeches are the proper place for rhetoric.

  97. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Astorian

    Media had us all convinced that Sarah Palin was dumber than she actually is. It didn't help that she speaks in that goofy, Upper Midwest, Fargo accent that an East Coast sharpie will identify as the sound of a chump.

    As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    Sarah Palin would have been a better president than John McCain (but that's not saying much). Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, "she's good masturbation material."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Danindc, @Anonymous

    Would’ve been nice if she could list one thing she read in the Couric interview. Just one thing. Time magazine would’ve sufficed.

  98. “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders”

    McCain was devoted to McCain’s career, and whether he was for or against borders depended solely on what he thought would get him re-elected. I guess Lieberman (and pretty much the entire media) forgot about episodes like this:

  99. @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    Agreed. And regarding Trump’s slam at McCain about being captured — that was in direct response to McCain’s having referred to conservatives as “wacko birds” or something like that.

    McCain had his good points. His speech at the Republican National Convention nominating GWB, in 2000, was one of the best I’ve ever seen. I think he grew worse as he got older and, at the end, seemed to take a contrary position just to be contrary (i.e., voting against repealing Obamacare).

  100. @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    They watch the same tv and movies as everyone else in this stupid country.

  101. @Barnard
    Was there any polling done in late 2008 as to how bad a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have lost to Obama? They may not have hit 40% nationally.

    Replies: @David In TN, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man

    I don’t think McCain would have won with any running mate. I voted for him, because I saw through Obama from the very start, but I knew too many people at the time who were too enthralled with the idea of voting for the black guy. Try as hard as I could, there was simply no dissuading them from it. One relative has sheepishly admitted her mistake and told me she voted for Trump.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @TTSSYF

    I agree. I’m not excusing McCain’s many flaws as a man or politician but after eight years of W, I think the Democrats would’ve won the Presidency in ‘08 if they nominated a dead chicken to run.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Noah172

  102. @Barnard
    Was there any polling done in late 2008 as to how bad a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have lost to Obama? They may not have hit 40% nationally.

    Replies: @David In TN, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man

    Where is that video of Lieberman whispering in McCain’s ear, telling him what to say.

  103. @Daniel H
    Nothing, but just a weird association in my head.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/meghan-mccain1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1
    https://m.media-


    https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/6efd131c-c4f7-40e4-9a32-7496a01e55e0.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Stan d Mute, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Crew Cut Man

    Divine definitely wore it better.

  104. @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    You are right, and Ann Coulter is right: immigration is essentially the only issue that matters, because if it’s not fixed–and fast–none of the other issues will matter one whit. We won’t have a country any more.

  105. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    Sarah Palin was abused by the media every bit as much as Trump is, and I think it made her act goofier than she would have if she had been treated fairly. Although it never totally destroyed her, she (like 99.9% of people) couldn’t slough it off as Trump apparently can (as he dishes it right back at them). I had mixed feelings about McCain and, as one commenter stated, cast my vote for him mostly as a vote against Obama. I turned on him when he openly turned on Palin. To not invite her to the funeral was the epitome of pettiness and vindictiveness.

  106. Looks like Trump is trying to undermine my business plan for a kiosk selling tickets to do this:

    According to a new Trump–Russia dossier, President Trump has already hired a team of Russian prostitutes to urinate on the freshly-dug grave of Senator John McCain.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/08/26/trump-mccain/

    This isn’t helping MAGA Trump! Buy a damn ticket.

  107. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I’m not so sure about this blue wave in November. There are a lot of Trump supporters who keep quiet about it.

  108. Slightly OT/Related to prior thread, a full length piece in Time re: W’s on-going image rehabilitation via his love affair with Michelle Obama:

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5384902/george-bush-michelle-obama-candy-mccain-funeral

  109. McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

    Seriously, given that McCain was an attention seeking minor politician, why did he need to write multiple memoirs? His biggest role in US history was crashing his presidential campaign like a Navy jet and paving the way for that utter cipher, Barrack Obama, to implement for the next four years all the dumb policies he half-remembered from the left wing social and political science seminars he took at Occidental College and Columbia U.

  110. @Svigor
    @Anonymous

    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Stan d Mute

    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.

    You can have all three, but then you’ll get fired for it. When a badass Marine can’t call his men “faggots” for doing something juvenile and dishonorable, you know America’s national defense rests solely in the hands of the guys running the silos and nuclear subs. Just wait till we find out he also called them “retards,” this man will probably face a firing squad..

    Following a vandalism incident during a port call visit by the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock New York in Gaeta, Italy, Lt. Col. Marcus J. Mainz, the commander of 2nd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, allegedly used the term “faggot” or “faggoty” during a meeting with the 2/6 Battalion Landing Team leaders, multiple sources have told Marine Corps Times.

    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/08/30/26-meu-battalion-commander-fired-during-deployment-over-equal-opportunity-concerns/

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Stan d Mute

    The Lt. Col. should have paraphrased Sarah Silverman's line: "I didn't mean faggoty like homosexual. I meant faggoty like retarded.”

    , @AndrewR
    @Stan d Mute

    If he can't find better words to express his anger at such incidents, perhaps he lacks the sense needed to be a commander.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  111. @Cagey Beast
    ... he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

    Some people can be trusted to take part in politics and some people can't. The New York Times will let you know who's qualified to engage in self-government and who's not. Apparently the people of Chemnitz are not; they're too blinded by ancestral passions. Let's face it, the difference between "Chemnitz" and "Auschwitz" is only a few letters.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1035646059073155072

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1035976453454622720

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @kaganovitch

  112. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    Uh – 2002 was one of the only times in the last century when the party in charge of the White House (the GOP at the time) gained seats in Congress in the mid-terms.

    NOT a blue wave, just the opposite.

    M. Jose

  113. @David In TN
    @Barnard

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    Yes, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have gone nowhere.

    Replies: @jesse helms think-alike, @Stan d Mute, @Bragadocious

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    All I needed to know was that she rode snowmobiles and hunted. Any chick who can blast Bambi in the face with a 30-06 is a vast improvement over our current political class. If McStain wasn’t on the ticket, I would have voted in 2008.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Stan d Mute

    Shooting the cervid in the face ruins the head and antlers. Assuming the shot isn't missed, which is likely because a cervid's head moves faster than its torso and is quite narrow, nose on.

    Shooting a cervid in the vitals on field requires precision and self control.

    Neither should be subject to a pornographizing impulse, nor cheapened as a sacred act between a very old People and the Herd that sustains and inspires us, and helps organize our seasons.

  114. What a ingrate scumbag.

  115. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election. "

    You almost get the impression that if given the chance, McCain would have given Lenin, Stalin and Mao a run for their money on who could murder the most people as a dictator.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BB753

    Why do you think Lenin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (unless you inexplicably blame Lenin for what Stalin did after Lenin died)? I realize this is a right wing safe space, but to not include old Adolf in the top three seems pretty indefensible.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @AndrewR

    "Why do you think Lenin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler "

    Neither stated nor implied. Why are you defending communists?

    " I realize this is a right wing safe space, but to not include old Adolf in the top three seems pretty indefensible.

    Who said my list was "top three"? How many straw men can you fit into two sentences? Why are you defending communists?

    Anyway, I see you're very intent on missing the point of my comment. But by all means, please continue to lose your mind over the comparative examples I gave. :)

  116. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    McCain bragged that the longest he had lived in any one place was in Hanoi. Understandably how he got there was great personal sacrifice and it was a terrible experience. He was rootless. But really from his very birth in Panama his most native habitat would be Washington DC. And that’s a fever swamp filled with zealous often wrongheaded ideas on both sides of the aisle. Do something! The concept that people would like to be left alone, be they American taxpayers or Afghan goatherders , is alien to such place. You don’t get credit nor monument nor an obnoxious funeral for leaving people the f__ alone. Really that’s what the founding of this country was all about; a bunch of merchants so cranky about their faraway government taxing their beverage of choice that they would instead blow the heads off the most powerful army of it’s day to be left alone. And as Dennis Miller says, it wasn’t even coffee.

    The spectacle of this funeral was appalling.

  117. anonymous[922] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump really has acquired some serious space in the minds of all these people for them to forget they were at someone else’s funeral. It’s now an obsession. They were all supposed political opponents of one another yet here they are holding hands together, showing that they’re all basically on the same team. Not a dime’s worth of difference between them.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anonymous

    Of himself and McCain, Obama said. "We never doubted we were on the same team."

    And that about sums it up, doesn't it?

  118. @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    You’re preaching to the choir. “Our” military is marinated top to bottom in moral cowardice.

    Replies: @BB753

    If I were top brass in the US military, I’d either resign or blow my brains out! There’s no honor in serving this military, but dishonor. My guess is they’re gutless cowards.

  119. How much did the week of McCain tributes and the over the top funeral cost? Who payed? Are we even allowed to ask?

    Rather than a eulogy the funeral attendees should have made the case for invading Iran at funeral.

    I think John would have liked that.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Sandy Berger's Socks


    How much did the week of McCain tributes and the over the top funeral cost? Who payed? Are we even allowed to ask?
     
    I hope that his billionaire widow gets presented with the bill, but I bet the taxpayer will actually end up footing most of the bill. Protocol and government rules count for little when you have the kind of insider clout McCain had. Washington DC takes care of its own.
  120. @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.
     
    That's crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what "ultimately" means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any "revolutionary" aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Sarah Toga, @Le Autiste Corv, @Samuel Skinner

    New Englanders always were known for their missionizing spirit and Messianism whether cloaked in overt, righteous, John Brown rhetoric or in the more prosaic, and less threatening rhetoric of
    “improving”, whether it be Asian or Polynesian heathens or Southern barbarians. Perhaps the 17-century colonists weren’t Messianic, but their 18th and 19th-century descendants certainly were. P

    Interesting little fact about the Battle of the Crater during the Civil War. White soldiers were sent in to the killing zone first because Meade didn’t want to be accused of using blacks as cannon fodder. I make this point because at a time when the Ashkenazi were still mostly peddlers, WASPs were already acting like characters in a Tom Wolfe novel.

    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Le Autiste Corv


    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.
     
    No, those why deny this truth are arguing from ignorance or bad faith. Your assertions have no theoretical or empirical support.

    No one "blames" the Ashkenazim for this.

    First, there is no "blame". There is just historical observation.

    Second, the Jews in the Netherlands were Sephardic. How could you speak so confidently without knowing such a basic fact?

    Third, the Messianic fervor and the Tikkun Olam of 15th/16th/17th-century Netherlands had an undeniably great influence on the English Puritans.

    No, we are correct. There is no theoretical or empirical counter to our conclusion.

    Replies: @Le Autiste Corv

  121. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor
    @Jean Ralphio

    RINO has been a household word for many years.

    Replies: @Jean Ralphio, @Anonymous

    But Republican no longer means conservative or in the interests of America or )))Western((( civilization. Before Trump I would’ve said my favorite politicians are Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders. But now it’s. And except for all the dollars to the MIC and hiring the worst neo-cons for foreign policy positions, Trump is the best politician and president ever.

  122. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    Agreed. He had no one to blame but himself for choosing her, and she never once bad-mouthed him. The way she responded recently to his final disrespect towards her was very classy.

  123. @Thomas
    Heartiste had the best rejoinder to the "propositional nation" malarkey ever:

    "If America is an idea, why can’t we just send a copy of that idea to shithole countries so they can build their own cities on the hill?”
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    Ironically, I think he may very well have ripped that off an old iSteve post…

  124. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Indeed, “Sellout” is his epitaph. And had McCain died 10 years ago, Bush the II would have been the vilified persona non-grata instead of President Trump (remember McCain blamed Bush for his failed Presidential campaign run in 2000). And Steve Schmidt would have given a eulogy. My how times changed quickly for John McCain (except was his thirst for killing and war).

  125. So what exactly was McCain’s greatest political achievement, which will be his legacy? He does not seem to have achieved much in recent years.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jonathan Mason

    He was the only Republican member of the Keating Five.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathon, hnmmm, best I can guess is if the GOP stays in power they will name a new warship after him, the Dems will name an open border gate for him. He also added a few books about himself to the library shelf, John meet Barrack.

  126. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Well, those are pretty good values. At least he didn't say 'diversity.'

    Replies: @istevefan, @ben tillman

    Notice how they never want to mention the Naturalization Act of 1790, passed by the First Congress and signed into law by the one and only G. Washington.

  127. @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    Democrats… Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,

    I don’t think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population.

    That belief only makes sense if you have convinced yourself, against all evidence, that all the world's races are capable of producing the same economic value. When you import Muslims, Mestizos, and Africans, you are importing people who will take more from a welfare-state system than they contribute. They add to the dead weight of any society they enter. So the politicians importing them are working to destroy our country's prosperity, not to ensure it.

    , @pyrrhus
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nonsense...Importing low IQ 3d worlders who take welfare and medical welfare merely destroys your society and explodes government debt...Which does increase our present demented calculation of GDP.....The Democrats want these people because they vote democrat, and the billionaires want them because they can make a few more billions by dumping the costs on American taxpayers...

    , @BenKenobi
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Hey goy, stop having babies. It’s feminism!”

    “Hey goy, you didn’t have any babies, now we gotta import millions of turd-worlders. It’s diversity!”

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason



    Democrats… Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don’t think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.
     
    Jonathan, this is just wrong. The corporate sleaze has some interests along the lines you speak.

    But the Democrats clearly have an interest in replacing Americans--who tend toward traditional American values--with foreigners, who are
    -- more easily managed with ethnic politics
    -- less concerned with the tradition American interest in freedom and happier with a larger bullying state, less rebellious
    -- and balkanize the nation's population, making it harder for actual Americans to rebel (electorially or physically) against the state ("the swamp").

    The Democrats recently are just "out" about this. They now preach this nation breaking Jewish "minoritarianism" as a core value of the United States. Their rhetoric is pretty hard to miss: "bitter clingers", "nation of immigrants", "undocumented", "diversity if our strength", "deplorables", "tired old white men", "immigrants are the real Americans". "no one is illegal", "dreamers are our future", "abolish ICE".

    When you hear the Democrats saying we need to do something to raise the fertility of native American women ... get back to me. LOL.
    , @backup
    @Jonathan Mason

    Growth is pointless in a growing population because it means sharing the larger wealth over more people. Case in point: Africa.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Wilkey
    @Jonathan Mason

    1) The biggest open borders fanatics amongst the Democrats don't seem to care about economic growth at all. Most of them don't spend much time thinking through the consequences of any policy they support, though plenty are aware that our current immigration rates will lead to a white minority.

    2) If they were really worried about whites not having enough babies then why don't they support policies that would encourage white to have more babies? In reality they are obsessed with depressing the birthrates of whites.

    Our infrastructure strains when the burden on it increases by even 10%. I'd love for leftists to experience their open borders fantasy for just a day, then they'd realize what they're getting us into. I'm guessing that's one movie Hollywood will probably never make.

    , @ben tillman
    @Jonathan Mason


    I don’t think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population.
     
    No, the natives could expand the population with their own kids. But that is discouraged.
  128. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    What McCain’s interminable memorial service has done
     
    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.

    Tuesday. Monday is Labor Day.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Tuesday. Monday is Labor Day.
     
    For many of those people, Labor Day is May 1.
  129. istevefan says:

    I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral? Other POWs like Admiral Stockdale, who actually won the Medal of Honor for his conduct during his POW years, was never afforded such a tribute. And I’ve never seen another Senator get this much treatment. McCain’s funeral was larger than President Reagan’s. It was on par with the famous Lincoln funeral train that made its way across the nation.

    It appears this is what he was working on while away from the Senate these past several months. He seemed to give no thought to the healthcare issue, other than negating Trump. But he and his staff planned the most elaborate state funeral this nation has seen in generations. I’m assuming the taxpayers of Arizona and the US funded this. Can other politicians choreograph a similar event when their turn arises? I hope he has not set some sort of precedent.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @istevefan

    "I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral?"

    It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump. "The enemy of my enemy" and "politics makes strange bedfellows" writ large.

    I never thought to see so many leftists post approvingly of GWB on Facebook. Remember BDS? It's nothing to compared to the hatred Trump's enemies harbor for him.

    Replies: @istevefan, @David In TN, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Captain Willard
    @istevefan

    C'mon man! You get it but you're too shy just to say it out loud. This was the first Deep State Funeral in American history!

    Over the corpse of their first officially-canonized Saint, the Deep State united to intone their sacred principle: "Invade the World, Invite the World".

    , @anon
    @istevefan

    Guys that know how to lose generally know how to die.

  130. @Anonymous
    @L Woods


    All the military dudes on my social media feed think he’s great. No hope there. Not that anyone here will be surprised.
     
    Idiots. Their country is vanishing before their eyes and they are rapidly becoming relegated to second-class citizens and America is becoming a third-world flophouse but hey, supporting and fighting for globalist interest is the patriotic thing to do. When they’re senior citizens I’m sure they’ll be shown the same respect in the country-formerly-known-as-America.

    Replies: @L Woods, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Svigor, @Crew Cut Man, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    These soldiers climb up on their own crosses and demand that others hammer the nails in for good measure. Bloody fools.

  131. @Wilkey
    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Can someone stick a mike in front of Joe Lieberman and ask him what he thinks of Israel's recent declaration that it is an emphatically Jewish state?

    Also please ask him what he thinks of all those Union vets in Congress who voted for the Chinese Exclusion Act back in 1882.

    Replies: @maxblame, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    I could never stomach the unctuous sheeny. He’s making a speech here pretending to be the young ideal and he’s far advanced into old age. Grey lovelocks and the leering face of the devil himself.

  132. @Thomas
    Heartiste had the best rejoinder to the "propositional nation" malarkey ever:

    "If America is an idea, why can’t we just send a copy of that idea to shithole countries so they can build their own cities on the hill?”
     

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    It’s been tried. Monrovia, the constitution was a clone of the US constitution.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC

    One more reminder that biology is upstream of culture, which is upstream of politics.

  133. I don’t want to be tacky and celebrate McCain’s death. Instead, I’ll just say that I wish he had never been born.

  134. @istevefan
    I've been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral? Other POWs like Admiral Stockdale, who actually won the Medal of Honor for his conduct during his POW years, was never afforded such a tribute. And I've never seen another Senator get this much treatment. McCain's funeral was larger than President Reagan's. It was on par with the famous Lincoln funeral train that made its way across the nation.

    It appears this is what he was working on while away from the Senate these past several months. He seemed to give no thought to the healthcare issue, other than negating Trump. But he and his staff planned the most elaborate state funeral this nation has seen in generations. I'm assuming the taxpayers of Arizona and the US funded this. Can other politicians choreograph a similar event when their turn arises? I hope he has not set some sort of precedent.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Captain Willard, @anon

    “I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral?”

    It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump. “The enemy of my enemy” and “politics makes strange bedfellows” writ large.

    I never thought to see so many leftists post approvingly of GWB on Facebook. Remember BDS? It’s nothing to compared to the hatred Trump’s enemies harbor for him.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Kylie

    For someone to plan their own funeral on a scale like this really shows how vain the man really was.

    , @David In TN
    @Kylie

    "It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump."

    Exactly.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Kylie

    I can honestly say that I've not seen or heard ONE SINGLE THING about this scumbag's funeral, eulogies or any of it, until this post here and the one with the comparison to a Kardashian and the comments thereunder. It's so much more serene this way.

    That video that commenter Johnny Walker embedded pissed me off greatly, and for some reason, especially the part in which GWB spouted his garbage. It reinforces my decision to stay off the idiot box.

  135. @David In TN
    @Barnard

    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.

    Yes, a McCain-Lieberman ticket would have gone nowhere.

    Replies: @jesse helms think-alike, @Stan d Mute, @Bragadocious

    I think McCain probably wanted Lieberman but his pollsters told him America wasn’t yet ready for an openly Israel-first Orthodox Jew one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Too “obvious” even for a sellout like McCain. As for Palin, the good folks at Saturday Night Live quickly buried her. SNL is quite proud of its ability to tip elections, although it’s failing miserably with Trump.

  136. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population.

    That belief only makes sense if you have convinced yourself, against all evidence, that all the world’s races are capable of producing the same economic value. When you import Muslims, Mestizos, and Africans, you are importing people who will take more from a welfare-state system than they contribute. They add to the dead weight of any society they enter. So the politicians importing them are working to destroy our country’s prosperity, not to ensure it.

    • Agree: Forbes, Mr. Rational
  137. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Crops rotting, Maine is too white

    Organic vegetable farms typically rely on hand labor throughout the growing season, which usually means hiring a lot of high school and college kids, recent college graduates, or people who just need the work. Farmers can legally hire workers as young as 14; to operate machinery, they must be at least 16 years old. Pay rates range from $8-$10 on the low end to perhaps $15 per hour on the high end.

    Farmers may also take advantage of the H2A visa program, a federal program that allows growers to bring in legal foreign workers on a temporary visa to do agricultural work. The program isn’t capped, so farmers can bring in as many workers as they’d like – but the program is also more expensive than hiring locally because it requires that farms provide free housing and transportation to and from work sites.

    “That’s what a lot of organic, small farms around here are running on – 20-somethings who have a lot of education, who we’ll probably not have for very long. They’re hard to train because they know everything already, whereas migrant workers, they’re really easy to train. You show them what to do, and they do it.”

    https://www.pressherald.com/2018/09/02/maine-growers-hungry-for-workers/

    Funny how stereotyping about low wage pliable workers is ok, when in the service of the Demographic Transformation.

  138. @istevefan
    I've been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral? Other POWs like Admiral Stockdale, who actually won the Medal of Honor for his conduct during his POW years, was never afforded such a tribute. And I've never seen another Senator get this much treatment. McCain's funeral was larger than President Reagan's. It was on par with the famous Lincoln funeral train that made its way across the nation.

    It appears this is what he was working on while away from the Senate these past several months. He seemed to give no thought to the healthcare issue, other than negating Trump. But he and his staff planned the most elaborate state funeral this nation has seen in generations. I'm assuming the taxpayers of Arizona and the US funded this. Can other politicians choreograph a similar event when their turn arises? I hope he has not set some sort of precedent.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Captain Willard, @anon

    C’mon man! You get it but you’re too shy just to say it out loud. This was the first Deep State Funeral in American history!

    Over the corpse of their first officially-canonized Saint, the Deep State united to intone their sacred principle: “Invade the World, Invite the World”.

  139. To quote Glenn Greenwald’s Twitter feed: “… thank God the US doesn’t have ‘state media’ the way they do in those Bad Countries that are Official Enemies of the US. Imagine how obsequious, dissent-free, protracted, nationalistic & emotionally manipulative media coverage of McCain’s death would have been.”

    It looks like McCain’s goblin daughter, Megan, is a chip off the old block. I hope this hate-fueled creature doesn’t get anywhere near the reigns of political power. Although her father’s Zionist puppet-masters probably liked what they saw.

  140. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Today, in the agricultural hub of Central California, farmers tell me they’re paying $30 per hour to pick tomatoes and $40 per hour to pick melons. On the coast, they’re paying $60 per hour to pick avocados. They still can’t find enough workers.

    Ruben Navarrette Jr. (lol)

    https://www.news-journal.com/opinion/navarrette-mccain-knew-immigrants-outwork-americans/article_471c8d7e-ae07-11e8-ba43-c390c70dbbe0.html

    Is this tool even aware of who was elected just recently south of the border??? This is the attitude that is fueling the rise of communism, and living proof that the capitalist will sell the rope that they will be hung with.

  141. McCain clearly cherished his “maverick” image. The Lone Wolf of the Senate, bravely daring to say the things that other men would not.

    So…………….what did he ever say that was so brave? What position did he ever take that was so daring? What single thing did he ever do that would, even in the slightest way, discomfit the establishment powers in the land?

  142. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Astorian

    Media had us all convinced that Sarah Palin was dumber than she actually is. It didn't help that she speaks in that goofy, Upper Midwest, Fargo accent that an East Coast sharpie will identify as the sound of a chump.

    As the governor of a huge energy state that is the last frontier of the United States, she was, in some ways, more qualified than John McCain American War Hero™. Governors are chief executives. Senators are windbags.

    Sarah Palin would have been a better president than John McCain (but that's not saying much). Besides, as Tracy Morgan said, "she's good masturbation material."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Danindc, @Anonymous

    She’s pretty dumb, but the main problem is how trashy she is. How about that incident with the cops breaking up a big fist fight between her family and another, at a frat party, about 2 years ago.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Anonymous

    I guess if your kids starting abusing cocaine that makes you a drug addict.

  143. anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @ChrisZ


    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”
     
    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    Replies: @David In TN, @El Dato, @anonymous

    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.

    Not so sure about that, my twitter, instagram, and facebook were all “how dare Ariana Grande where a minidress to a funeral” and “did you see Clinton look at her booty” and “that Bishop grabbed her boob” and “Faith Hill? WTF!?!”

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @anonymous

    Where are you people from? I get nothing political on Facebook.

  144. @istevefan
    I've been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral? Other POWs like Admiral Stockdale, who actually won the Medal of Honor for his conduct during his POW years, was never afforded such a tribute. And I've never seen another Senator get this much treatment. McCain's funeral was larger than President Reagan's. It was on par with the famous Lincoln funeral train that made its way across the nation.

    It appears this is what he was working on while away from the Senate these past several months. He seemed to give no thought to the healthcare issue, other than negating Trump. But he and his staff planned the most elaborate state funeral this nation has seen in generations. I'm assuming the taxpayers of Arizona and the US funded this. Can other politicians choreograph a similar event when their turn arises? I hope he has not set some sort of precedent.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Captain Willard, @anon

    Guys that know how to lose generally know how to die.

  145. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    A good description of reinforcement of The Narrative.

    Shamelessly invoking “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity, which is precisely what the ascendant culture disputes.

    The Big Lie.

  146. he reason that McCain brings out the reactions that he does is partially due to applying an awkward left-right “spectrum” test to him. He gets some “maverick” pass because, according to said paradigm, his needle bounces like audio distortion.
    McCain is in reality a pretty consistent example of another taxonomy that is really not that new: the globo-cap. Think Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, the Clintons, the Bushes, neocons, Lindsey Graham, and pretty much anyone who rubs elbows at the Davos Forum. Nations are experimental playthings that need “action” somehow and be transcended with abstract “freedom” and “innovation”, the power structure of which is never really explained; free trade will mythically heal all wounds, and those who question it are knuckledragging reactionaries; Wall Street is Team America; benevolent “creative class” functionaries will administer the world order with the WTO and NATO’s paperwork and missiles; retrograde societies need to be bombed or sanctioned into submission; Iran and Russia are cartoon devils. He fitted our country’s pop-imperialist techno-prog mentality quite well- a confused progressive militarism that used to be called Bonapartism, and was adept at making that militarism palatable to the sophisticated set.
    McCain was an often reckless man who flattered establishment types for decades, while being barely kept in check.
    This “maverick” tag comes from an ideology that doesn’t like to acknowledge that it exists.

  147. @Jonathan Mason
    So what exactly was McCain's greatest political achievement, which will be his legacy? He does not seem to have achieved much in recent years.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    He was the only Republican member of the Keating Five.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  148. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    It’s like having two Popes. We have The Great Schism come again.

    On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow. On the Internet he’s a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Pat Boyle

    The truth lies somewhere in the middle, IMO, Pat. Just as I'd have been in favor of having co-popes during the schism, I'm in favor of McCain being both a saintly wonderful hero AND a crooked, traitorous nasty, vindictive bastard, so long as HE! REMAINS! SIX! FEET! BELOW! THE! DAMN! GROUND!.

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @Pat Boyle

    "On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow."

    IN REALITY, he’s a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

  149. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Yes, it’s an infallible test–the anti-American politicians only praise others of their ilk….

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  150. @Wilkey
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    I wouldn't call him a Democratic plant, exactly. He parted ways with Democrats in plenty of ways. But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration. Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession, and they were more than willing to overlook their disagreements with McCain on those other issues.

    Replies: @Lugash, @TTSSYF, @Crew Cut Man, @Jonathan Mason, @Clyde

    Republican primary for the United States Senate from Arizona, 2010:
    John McCain (inc.) – 284,374 (56.2%)
    J.D. Hayworth – 162,502 (32.1%)
    Jim Deakin – 59,447 (11.7%)

    But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration.

    Talk about a nasty, stone cold liar who feels he is owed and owed and owed due to his years in North Vietnam POW camps. McLame came off as hard core on illegal immigration in this vicious 2010 campaign against J.D. Hayworth, who was a solid conservative. As I remember, McCain had a huge campaign war chest that he used. But more importantly, the lazy Arizona voters liked hearing McLames lies about being serious about border enforcement. I am pretty sure Dems could vote in that primary, I know party registration means nothing there as far as voting in Presidential primaries.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Clyde

    Hayworth was sold out by the Mormons, who then voted en bloc for McCain as per their orders.

    Replies: @Joe H

    , @David In TN
    @Clyde

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the voters in Republican primaries.

  151. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    Nonsense…Importing low IQ 3d worlders who take welfare and medical welfare merely destroys your society and explodes government debt…Which does increase our present demented calculation of GDP…..The Democrats want these people because they vote democrat, and the billionaires want them because they can make a few more billions by dumping the costs on American taxpayers…

  152. McCain, Graham, Lieberman and their neocon ilk did much to elaborate Steve Sailer’s dictum:

    Invade the world, invite the world, become the world.

    A pox on all their houses.

  153. @ben tillman
    @S. Anonyia


    I know other groups like Eastern Ashkenazis have certainly latched on & added to this “revolutionary spirit” but there you have it: all our bizarre troubles ultimately stem from the legacy of those damned Puritans.
     
    That's crazy. No way in hell. Do you know what "ultimately" means? How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any "revolutionary" aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Sarah Toga, @Le Autiste Corv, @Samuel Skinner

    How did Puritans even get into the conversation?

    Ah, you haven’t been introduced to modern reaction. If you want the details ask, but most people don’t find relentlessly cynical and clinical examination of human behavior interesting.

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any “revolutionary” aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.

    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Samuel Skinner


    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.
     
    The Christians in the Netherlands did not live "next door to" the Jews of the Netherlands; they lived with or among them in the same polity.

    The Puritans of East Anglia lived next door to the Jews of the Netherlands. i.e. in the next-door polity. Look at a map. As D.H. Fischer pointed out, travel by sea was faster than travel by land in those days.
    , @ben tillman
    @Samuel Skinner


    Ah, you haven’t been introduced to modern reaction.
     
    Sounds like a bogus ideology The facts are as I stated them.
  154. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Well, those are pretty good values. At least he didn't say 'diversity.'

    Replies: @istevefan, @ben tillman

    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …

    Human rights? Not even close.

    The only human right (i.e., the only universalizable right) is the right to be free from aggression. Nothing could be more at odds with human rights than “Invade the world; invite the world.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    Good comment.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @ben tillman

    Neither of those guys actually held those values.

  155. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    “Hey goy, stop having babies. It’s feminism!”

    “Hey goy, you didn’t have any babies, now we gotta import millions of turd-worlders. It’s diversity!”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  156. As much as I disliked McCain, I would give him credit for having picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. The Lieberman comment in his last memoir erases that. Nil nisi bonum and all that, but we are well rid of the Senator.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  157. @Kylie
    @istevefan

    "I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral?"

    It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump. "The enemy of my enemy" and "politics makes strange bedfellows" writ large.

    I never thought to see so many leftists post approvingly of GWB on Facebook. Remember BDS? It's nothing to compared to the hatred Trump's enemies harbor for him.

    Replies: @istevefan, @David In TN, @Achmed E. Newman

    For someone to plan their own funeral on a scale like this really shows how vain the man really was.

    • Agree: Kylie, Dan Hayes
  158. The borders may be porous, but rest assured that closer to home, law enforcement is taking good care of our communities’ safety.

    Wilmette mom investigated for letting 8-year-old walk dog around the block.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    The irony is that if it's unsafe for this 8-yr-old to walk the dog around the block, it's because of the likes of McCain allowing and even mandating via "integration" laws that all kinds of incompatible and often hostile people (not just immigrants both illegal and legal, but racial minorities) are put into once-safe communities.  The mom isn't who they should be investigating.

    We need a "SMH" button.

  159. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Some guys have a natural “hell raising” streak, or can be “difficult” out of high principle.

    I’m unfit to judge the issue of McCain’s POW time–his behavior, the offer of early release, etc. (And I don’t want to wade into that swamp–whatever he did or didn’t do, he didn’t come home early.)

    But i will say that there’s absolutely nothing in the public record of the rest of his personal or professional life that shows McCain to be a man of high character. His record is one of being just a rude, pompous asshole. A lowlife who will sell-out anything and trash anyone for the greater glory of John McCain’s fragile ego–most of all selling out the interests of his own voters, the American people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  160. Weight the evidence. Was McCain a Democrat plant? Does it really matter much whether he was or not if he functioned as one?

  161. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s really amazing how the antiwar left has disappeared. Did it ever really exist or was it just a tool for bashing Bush II?
     
    No, it was a tool for bashing Nixon and Reagan as well. But not for Roosevelt or Kennedy or Clinton or Obama, for some reason.

    They only turned on Wilson and Johnson. Must've been their accents...

    Replies: @David In TN

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

     

    Disappeared, or morphed into the pro-war left? Remember Seeger and Trumbo. And Barbra Streisand in The Way We Were.
    , @anon
    @David In TN


    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.
     
    Watching the Left shift positions on what should be important issues to them tells a lot about their true motives. They were against war under Nixon and Reagan and for it under Clinton and O'bama. They said "Judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin" when bashing white Southerners, and now promote race preference, race retribution, and race war. They hated Wall Street in the 60's and hate deplorable working stiffs today.
    The consistent principle seems have boiled down to blind hatred of white males.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  162. @Kylie
    @istevefan

    "I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral?"

    It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump. "The enemy of my enemy" and "politics makes strange bedfellows" writ large.

    I never thought to see so many leftists post approvingly of GWB on Facebook. Remember BDS? It's nothing to compared to the hatred Trump's enemies harbor for him.

    Replies: @istevefan, @David In TN, @Achmed E. Newman

    “It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump.”

    Exactly.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @David In TN

    Trump was 'uninvited' to the funeral ( since when did funerals have invitations?), but as usual, he was more of a presence than the corpse.

    Seriously, what kind of daughter delivers a eulogy throwing shade at someone her Dad hated?

    They did the same at Aretha Franklin's funeral, though Aretha never expressed any opinion of DJT as far as I know. Again, Trump more on people's minds than the deceased.

    These lefties are defined by their undignified behavior. Bizarre.

  163. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets.

    I appreciate your story, Mike. However, they are NOT fake Republicans. They are just plain Republicans, one of the two color-squads of THE PARTY. You may mean “fake conservatives”, as most of them are indeed that. After I’d heard the term RINO for a while, I realized that, cute as the term is, it’s erroneous. They are RIAs (Republicans In Actuality), or maybe CINOs. Nobody said Republicans were conservative – it’s just been the only place for conservatives to try to find help or be of help.

    Think about this: Why did the Republican politicians try to do anything to block Donald Trump? He’s not a conservative in all aspects but he is (was?) on the existential immigration issue. They fought against him until we was President, knowing that now they may have to pretend to work with him. For 75% of the GOP politicians, if they could switch to D right now and still get elected, they’d have no problem doing that.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Close to my view as well, and I said something similar to a friend who was bitching about RINOs.

    The problem isn't that they are fake Rs.

    The problem is that R no longer means republican, small r. Many people sense or outright realize this. What's missing is a party that represents we small-r republicans. That articulates and is faithful to that vision of THIS republic.

    Words can't express how it sickens me any time I have to vote for a Republican, whether they are the best of all worst choices or someone I actually would like to see hired for the office in question. When I think "Republican" I think Reagan, the Bushes, McCain, and all those puppets that Big Don had to defeat to win the GOP nomination...

    ...at the point the party realized it would never again win an election if its real republican voters jumped ship.

    "Conservatism" was hacked in the 1980s to win elections by using cable TV to drive the white working and middle class into war with itself. It doesn't seek to "conserve" anything--not nature, not founding stock Americans, not the US's cultural heritage.

  164. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    Mike1, It has to be Preparation H, because while many of us on this site are assholes, few are perfect assholes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    LOL

    You nailed it, Joe. OK, Mike-1, what do we all win - a year's supply?

  165. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    I don’t think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP,…

    I don’t think she was a GREAT selection, like Ron Paul would have been. However, her selection was the only thing that got me to even think about voting for the GOP in the ’08 Pres-election. As I’ve written here on unz, and here (Juan McAmnesty – Rot in Place) on Peak Stupidity, “I remember telling someone back then that I couldn’t be assured that McCain would get impeached or die in the first coupla years, so I’d just go ahead and vote Constitution/Libertarian again. ”

  166. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike1

    Mike1, It has to be Preparation H, because while many of us on this site are assholes, few are perfect assholes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL

    You nailed it, Joe. OK, Mike-1, what do we all win – a year’s supply?

  167. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    Whiskey, while some here might dismiss your comment about Jerry “Moon Beam” Brown as hyperbole, I would like to point out that Brown recently commuted the sentences of six convicted killers, all of whom were sentenced to “Life without the possibility of parole.” So, anything is possible.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Buffalo Joe

    Jerry Brown is a long time death penalty opponent and advocate of minimal prison time for non Whites. He is the same non gendered person xe/xir was in 1968.

    A California native I can say xir has been among the worst of California s pols.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  168. @Kylie
    @istevefan

    "I’ve been away a bit, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But how was McCain able to get this much expense and attention for his funeral?"

    It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump. "The enemy of my enemy" and "politics makes strange bedfellows" writ large.

    I never thought to see so many leftists post approvingly of GWB on Facebook. Remember BDS? It's nothing to compared to the hatred Trump's enemies harbor for him.

    Replies: @istevefan, @David In TN, @Achmed E. Newman

    I can honestly say that I’ve not seen or heard ONE SINGLE THING about this scumbag’s funeral, eulogies or any of it, until this post here and the one with the comparison to a Kardashian and the comments thereunder. It’s so much more serene this way.

    That video that commenter Johnny Walker embedded pissed me off greatly, and for some reason, especially the part in which GWB spouted his garbage. It reinforces my decision to stay off the idiot box.

  169. @Pat Boyle
    @Auntie Analogue

    It's like having two Popes. We have The Great Schism come again.

    On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow. On the Internet he's a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Steve in Greensboro

    The truth lies somewhere in the middle, IMO, Pat. Just as I’d have been in favor of having co-popes during the schism, I’m in favor of McCain being both a saintly wonderful hero AND a crooked, traitorous nasty, vindictive bastard, so long as HE! REMAINS! SIX! FEET! BELOW! THE! DAMN! GROUND!.

    • LOL: Bubba
  170. @Jonathan Mason
    So what exactly was McCain's greatest political achievement, which will be his legacy? He does not seem to have achieved much in recent years.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Buffalo Joe

    Jonathon, hnmmm, best I can guess is if the GOP stays in power they will name a new warship after him, the Dems will name an open border gate for him. He also added a few books about himself to the library shelf, John meet Barrack.

  171. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    Democrats… Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,

    I don’t think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Jonathan, this is just wrong. The corporate sleaze has some interests along the lines you speak.

    But the Democrats clearly have an interest in replacing Americans–who tend toward traditional American values–with foreigners, who are
    — more easily managed with ethnic politics
    — less concerned with the tradition American interest in freedom and happier with a larger bullying state, less rebellious
    — and balkanize the nation’s population, making it harder for actual Americans to rebel (electorially or physically) against the state (“the swamp”).

    The Democrats recently are just “out” about this. They now preach this nation breaking Jewish “minoritarianism” as a core value of the United States. Their rhetoric is pretty hard to miss: “bitter clingers”, “nation of immigrants”, “undocumented”, “diversity if our strength”, “deplorables”, “tired old white men”, “immigrants are the real Americans”. “no one is illegal”, “dreamers are our future”, “abolish ICE”.

    When you hear the Democrats saying we need to do something to raise the fertility of native American women … get back to me. LOL.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, densa
  172. @David In TN
    @ben tillman

    "90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral."

    Or care.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    “90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.”

    Or care.

    I certainly don’t. I have avoided all the news coverage of McCain’s funeral and so far I have refrained from even commenting on his death. It does not seem to me as if anything significant has really transpired. There isn’t much to say about John McCain himself, but it would not be out of place here to say a few words about those “borderless American values” that his passing supposedly brought to the fore.

    Most importantly, those values are not the standard litany of freedom, democracy, and equality mouthed over and over again by media and government figures. There is a reason why they say such things, but it is more the result of an unacknowledged mental ellipsis than a conscious commitment to those ideas in their original signification. For as long as America is a going concern, its fundamental activity will be described in precisely those terms as a sort of tribute to the old pieties, even as the state itself transforms its character from one year to the next. Consequently, the words have altered in meaning numberless times, and if one cares to look back at what was originally captured under the aegis of those highminded concepts, he will see that they ceased to be living and effective spiritual determinants some generations ago. But there is a word borrowed from the corporate lexicon that really does express the borderless values espoused by McCain and his contemporaries, and which therefore serves as the true underlying meaning of freedom and democracy today. It is a word not alien to Francis Fukuyama’s historiography nor to the actual governing practices of Obama or Merkel. The secret sinew tying these varied strings together is the word “Buy-in.”

    “Buy-in” as a political philosophy means the process of persuading individuals that their interests are best served by aligning themselves with the supranational (i.e. “borderless”) and rational (i.e. “timeless”) socioeconomic regime. It is, in the minds of its adherents, quite judicious and even scientific in its use of carrots and sticks—precisely targeted cruise missiles for the worst malefactors, and for everyone else plenty of healthcare, education, cradle-to-grave welfare, free trade, and “economic opportunity.” To the chagrin of its detractors, Buy-in does not represent a deviation from the spirit of Western world history but is a new chord precisely in the key of that history and is a natural development from its earliest and most unalterable antecedents.

    As a species of idea, it is thoroughly both post-Marxist and post-Imperialist. It is Marxist in the sense of recognizing only economic-material causes as operative in determining the cultural outlook of individuals and peoples, and also inasmuch as it posits a “class struggle” of sorts as the fundamental driver of historical progression. The old Marxist categories of bourgeoisie and proletariat have given way to a two-fold division between those who have achieved Buy-in (the “Imperium”) and those who are awaiting Buy-in (the “provinces”), these categories being applied irrespective of national origin. Foreign elites are every bit as much a part of the Imperium as native billionaires, while the autochthonous underclasses are relegated to provincial status with a stroke. The Imperialist aspects of Buy-in are are evident in its casual unwillingness to eschew the use of occupying military forces in pursuit of its objectives. McCain’s famous statement that the American military might remain in Iraq “for 100 years” is quite a natural expression of this attitude. The idea here was that American forces should sit like a lid on the Iraqi cauldron, picking off the militant opposition and distributing largess to a docile citizenry, while under the weight of this capstone the native Iraqi culture would slowly disintegrate until Buy-in was achieved.

    The ruthless manner in which Buy-in sets itself against the existence of nations and borders, as well as any sort of racial or ethnic particularism, is due not to the sentiments of dreamy world-improvers, thrill-seeking xenophiles, or disillusioned native invalids—although these are the useful idiots who provide a great deal of energy to the movement and generally tend to swell its front ranks—but due to an essential and integral logical inconsistency between the one and the other outlook. “Race” is simply not a factor in what Buy-in considers to be enlightened economic self-interest. And since Buy-in recognizes no interests other than these, it cannot fit race into its matrix of causes and effects. It is not even a defined concept, not a computable term. Thus, when an officious modern thinker proudly proclaims that “race does not exist,” he is expressing something that is fundamentally true for him modulo the world-system in which he enunciates all of his ideas. This is no mere partisan cant, no airy Utopianism churned up in the detritus of an enervated mind, but an implacable logical consequence of this form of socioeconomic reductionism. The same arguments apply mutatis mutandis to the related concepts of nations, borders, and even sexes; however, the stubborn perdurance of these gives the lie to the theory and function as inadmissible embarrassments for it. They are therefore shoved into the background as “bigotry.”

    In its gross effects, Buy-in strives constantly to make the world safe for oligarchy. Here “liberty” means only the free play of capital, with political correctness as the “ethics” of the market square. It is an attitude, an outlook, and a spirit that is quite characteristic of late imperial ages. However much we may see it tending towards dissolution and decay, we do a disservice to the spirit of historical accuracy not to recognize it as the governing morality of the times; and there is no other beside it. It is an effort doomed to failure, artificial and impossible but paradoxically deriving strength from its very unworldliness. In its missionary zeal to spread urban life to the farthest-flung corners of the globe, in its herculean effort to incorporate everyone and everything into the vast domain of its bureaucratic regulatory apparatus, it is fully representative of the great currents of being that run through these days. This is “Imperium,” pure and entire. It is, for almost everyone within the scope of the Western cultural sphere and certainly for anyone of significance within that sphere, the self-evident basis of all law, politics, ethics, and culture. It is the dividing line between good and bad men, between wisdom and foolishness, between the saved and the damned. It is the fate of such periods that, despite the obvious inadequacy and absurdity of their political forms, they are the only substrates in which the vestiges of true creative piety still inhere.

    And these are the “American” values the John McCain defended until—literally—his dying breath. “Universal,” not by virtue of being everywhere and always true but because their devotees cannot imagine a contrary; “timeless,” because the sovereign reason has dispensed with all particularities of time and place; “American,” because as hegemon we bear a unique witness to the power of our undying creed. It is without irony that McCain is described as the great American hero, for he embodied the imperial style of our era. Without irony, yes, but not without blame; yet we must realize that any verdict pronounced upon him is likewise pronounced upon our entire existence as a people.

    There are those who opine that the passing of McCain signifies the end of the Pax Americana, and that with him passed also the century of American greatness. They are correct, and I personally think the change has much to commend it. The Caesarism that follows in the wake of “Buy-in” will finally bring about the end of the hypocritical and monotonous program-politics of the imperial age by reacquainting us with the long-neglected realities. But those who believe this will bring about the Restoration of the West will be disappointed. What it brought, in many ways, is its conclusion.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Intelligent Dasein


    For as long as America is a going concern, its fundamental activity will be described in precisely those terms as a sort of tribute to the old pieties . . . .
     
    Do the Democrats have even one policy that is consistent with the idea of the country as a going concern?
  173. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    Growth is pointless in a growing population because it means sharing the larger wealth over more people. Case in point: Africa.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @backup


    Growth is pointless in a growing population because it means sharing the larger wealth over more people. Case in point: Africa.
     
    I have no real opinion as to whether growth is a good thing, but in the US more people means more homes built, which means more refrigerators and TVs sold, more insurance policies sold, more customers for cable TV, ADT, and H & R Block, more dog food sold, more cars, and so on. It also means that more money is sent overseas to be spent on American consumer luxuries like Pampers brand diapers, and Kelloggs cornflakes.

    This may not be good for you and me, but it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good and to some extent the people who benefit financially from an increasing population will act as a counterweight to those who are losing out due to an increased population.

  174. @Buzz Mohawk
    What McCain's interminable memorial service has done is unite the elites who want to overturn the last election and deny American citizens their right to self-government.

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar, @Art

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Absolutely – the whole McCain passing was a security state love fest, promoting the national government and the neocon MIC.

    With a gushing media, the government establishment types, were waving the flag and giving the middle class Trump voters the finger. There were no huge throngs of Americans at these events. It was mostly government show time and back patting. (The Senate’s endless praising of McCain was disgusting.)

    The truth is that Trump has disturbed the establishment to its core.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. In the end, McCain showed his true petty nature by not inviting Palin.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Art

    Agree. BTW, you don't "invite" people to your funeral, except in the case of John McCain, who DISinvited Donald Trump and Sarah Palin. He had this no-expense-spared extravaganza planned out like a regular Bridezilla, and it's purpose was to celebrate himself and get back at a few enemies.

  175. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Whiskey, i was under the apprehension that while i’m an old guy–memory not what it once was–you’re a bit younger. You should have your memory checked.

    The Wellstone funeral was a touchstone of political-funereral disaster. Not only was there no “blue wave”, with their over-the-top unpleasant politicing the Democrats managed to alienate even mild Minnesotans and lose Wellstone’s seat.

    “Unhinged lunacy” is not really a winning message. Which is why we really need Trump to get some friggin’ message discipline and run on
    — better economy
    — closing the border and shutting down immigration–improving job prospects, housing prices and quality of life for Americans
    — the Democrats–now open (“abolish ICE!)–open borders lunacy

    This election should be a layup.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @AnotherDad

    I thought Wells tones funeral was in 2006.

  176. Anonymous [AKA "Right Republican"] says:

    All I remember about Joe Lieberman was when he was Gore’s V-P nominee during the Year 2000 election near-theft, he was depicted as the side-man on the “Sore-Loserman” proto-meme. I attended a conference where members of my profession were seated together randomly. Several began mocking the Gore-Lieberman attempts to steal the election and referenced the “Sore-Loserman” t-shirts and bumperstickers that were already being sold. A woman became instantly incensed, declaring that criticism of the two was unacceptable among any of us for–get this– it was RACIST to mock them because evidently ‘ol Joe is a Jew. This lady liberal was way ahead of the curve when it came to using political correctness as an attempt to control the debate.

  177. @Mike1
    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets. I was speaking with a member of a very wealthy family (100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family) recently. She was going to register as a Republican in order to primary a McCain type person in our region.
    I've yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant. Maybe Obama giving a glowing eulogy will help but I suspect not. One bit of priming that really does work is people are terrified of being seen as "conspiracy theorists".

    Replies: @L Woods, @Clyde, @Joe Stalin, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Grumbler, @Jean Ralphio, @Svigor, @Wilkey, @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @Art Deco

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    You don’t because he wasn’t. The American Conservative Union reported that he voted with them 81% of the time over the course of his career (87% of the time prior to 1995, about 77% of the time thereafter). He was an episodic irritant but voted with the Republican caucus most of the time. About 20% of the current Senate Republican caucus would be at least as recalcitrant as far as party whips are concerned.

    • Replies: @Noah172
    @Art Deco

    The ACU doesn't factor immigration in these scorecards. At least, they didn't for 2013 (Gang of 8). Even setting aside that immigration is the most important issue (the view of people who read and comment on this blog), weighting immigration equally with other issues would still drag McCain's score down (and, e.g., Jeff Flake, lifetime 93). Weighting it properly would put McCain and others in the toilet.

    , @Ifrank
    @Art Deco

    Good factual response, Art.

    However, a good plant does his best to stay hidden. It's not just about how often you vote with your party, but more importantly, on which issues you choose to depart. You can vote with me 80% of the time, but if you vote against me when I need you the most, you can kill me.

  178. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Mike1

    "(100% of US readers of this site will have used a product made by her family)"

    Is it Axe Aftershave?

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Roderick Spode

    Oxycontin

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Roderick Spode

    That is pretty funny, but I've honestly never had it.

  179. At last the Guardian’s opened comments on a McCain piece.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/01/john-mccain-was-complex-his-legacy-warrants-critical-discussion

    Top comment

    An utterly ghastly man who used his privilege to get him through life on limited talent.

    Everything about his political career would have most progressives running a mile away in disgust.

    But he didn’t like Trump so everyone suddenly decided they loved him.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  180. @Buffalo Joe
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, while some here might dismiss your comment about Jerry "Moon Beam" Brown as hyperbole, I would like to point out that Brown recently commuted the sentences of six convicted killers, all of whom were sentenced to "Life without the possibility of parole." So, anything is possible.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Jerry Brown is a long time death penalty opponent and advocate of minimal prison time for non Whites. He is the same non gendered person xe/xir was in 1968.

    A California native I can say xir has been among the worst of California s pols.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    He was the envy of much of the country when I was in high school for banging the snot out of Linda Ronstadt. I never thought Ronstadt was that hot appearance wise but she was certainly the best of her generation of pop-rock singers and had a lot of hits. Jann Wenner, might be gay now but he was sure as hell hetero for her in her salad days. Her constant appearance in Rolling Stone was by no means the key to her success, but she went from big to bigger because of it.

    Replies: @FPD72

  181. @AnotherDad
    @Whiskey


    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone’s funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.
     
    Whiskey, i was under the apprehension that while i'm an old guy--memory not what it once was--you're a bit younger. You should have your memory checked.

    The Wellstone funeral was a touchstone of political-funereral disaster. Not only was there no "blue wave", with their over-the-top unpleasant politicing the Democrats managed to alienate even mild Minnesotans and lose Wellstone's seat.

    "Unhinged lunacy" is not really a winning message. Which is why we really need Trump to get some friggin' message discipline and run on
    -- better economy
    -- closing the border and shutting down immigration--improving job prospects, housing prices and quality of life for Americans
    -- the Democrats--now open ("abolish ICE!)--open borders lunacy

    This election should be a layup.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    I thought Wells tones funeral was in 2006.

  182. OT: Bulgarian artist drawing the swastikas on ambulances that American artists don’t want to draw:

    https://nypost.com/2018/09/02/lawyers-say-man-drawing-swastikas-on-fdny-ambulances-is-an-artist/

    His Chinese lawyer says it can’t be a hate crime because he has ‘ties to the community.’

  183. @David In TN
    @Kylie

    "It was a golden opportunity for the elites and their followers to bash Trump."

    Exactly.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Trump was ‘uninvited’ to the funeral ( since when did funerals have invitations?), but as usual, he was more of a presence than the corpse.

    Seriously, what kind of daughter delivers a eulogy throwing shade at someone her Dad hated?

    They did the same at Aretha Franklin’s funeral, though Aretha never expressed any opinion of DJT as far as I know. Again, Trump more on people’s minds than the deceased.

    These lefties are defined by their undignified behavior. Bizarre.

  184. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    1) The biggest open borders fanatics amongst the Democrats don’t seem to care about economic growth at all. Most of them don’t spend much time thinking through the consequences of any policy they support, though plenty are aware that our current immigration rates will lead to a white minority.

    2) If they were really worried about whites not having enough babies then why don’t they support policies that would encourage white to have more babies? In reality they are obsessed with depressing the birthrates of whites.

    Our infrastructure strains when the burden on it increases by even 10%. I’d love for leftists to experience their open borders fantasy for just a day, then they’d realize what they’re getting us into. I’m guessing that’s one movie Hollywood will probably never make.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  185. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Ironically if “patriotic” “maverick” John McCain, had actually been a patriot and a maverick he would have run in 2008 on:
    — closing the border, stopping immigration, deporting illegals–jobs go to American workers
    — reigning in Wall Street, stopping bailouts from going to the crooks and reform to get them permanently off the taxpayer tit (no heads i win, tails you lose)
    — closing down Iraq and Afghanistan nation building foreign adventures and instead focusing on killing terrorists and most of all making sure they–and Islam in general–are kept out of the United States (and the West generally)

    … McCain would have become President of the United States!

    It’s precisely because McCain is neither any sort of “maverick” nor a patriot–but a generic globalist tool–that his legacy is “loser”.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad

    You really buy into the "terrorist" bullshit?

    Here's a clue: there have been no "terrorist threats" ever since the CIA and FBI have been so totally focused on destroying Trump.

    Funny dat.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @AnotherDad

    McCain's treatments gave him Irish Alzheimer's: he forgot everything but his grudges.

    With respect for what the guy went through, his last days were grotesque. The guy's handing phonied-up opposition dossiers on his own party's candidate to the FBI, then he crawls out of his deathbed to save Obamacare, for no other reason than as an F U to Trump.

  186. @AnonFromTN
    The funniest thing is that Lieberman is right: McCain defended America’s borderless values: globalism, corruption, lies, war mongering to benefit MIC, etc. If McCain is an American hero, it's a shame to be an American.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    “America” no longer embodies any values worth defending.

  187. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If history is any guideline, it will be very effective. Paul Wellstone's funeral was treated in the same manner. If memory serves it fueled a blue wave then.

    Dems hope for the same outcome and act as if its already in the bag. They have generally good polling -- I assume they are right. Already they are threatening ICE agents and in California Jerry Brown is highly likely to pardon all Death Row inmates and perhaps even release them. He may even empty out the prisons of all Latino and Black (but not White) inmates. In a mass pardon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @Glaivester, @Buffalo Joe, @AnotherDad, @Jack Hanson

    Its no wonder Steve quotes you since your level of political commentary is about where his is.

    “Wellstoned” is a term for when a political spectacle backfires on the party putting it on.

  188. @Reg Cæsar
    The borders may be porous, but rest assured that closer to home, law enforcement is taking good care of our communities' safety.

    Wilmette mom investigated for letting 8-year-old walk dog around the block.


    http://media.graytvinc.com/images/810*455/Cops+called+when+child+walks+dog+alone.png

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    The irony is that if it’s unsafe for this 8-yr-old to walk the dog around the block, it’s because of the likes of McCain allowing and even mandating via “integration” laws that all kinds of incompatible and often hostile people (not just immigrants both illegal and legal, but racial minorities) are put into once-safe communities.  The mom isn’t who they should be investigating.

    We need a “SMH” button.

  189. The indispensable James Corbett Has a great piece on the destruction of the US here.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/the-death-of-swift-and-the-engineered-death-of-the-dollar/

  190. @AnotherDad
    @Auntie Analogue


    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.
     
    Ironically if "patriotic" "maverick" John McCain, had actually been a patriot and a maverick he would have run in 2008 on:
    -- closing the border, stopping immigration, deporting illegals--jobs go to American workers
    -- reigning in Wall Street, stopping bailouts from going to the crooks and reform to get them permanently off the taxpayer tit (no heads i win, tails you lose)
    -- closing down Iraq and Afghanistan nation building foreign adventures and instead focusing on killing terrorists and most of all making sure they--and Islam in general--are kept out of the United States (and the West generally)

    ... McCain would have become President of the United States!

    It's precisely because McCain is neither any sort of "maverick" nor a patriot--but a generic globalist tool--that his legacy is "loser".

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You really buy into the “terrorist” bullshit?

    Here’s a clue: there have been no “terrorist threats” ever since the CIA and FBI have been so totally focused on destroying Trump.

    Funny dat.

  191. @Harry Baldwin
    @ChrisZ

    this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.”

    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Reg Cæsar

    Did our recently arrived Muslim and Latino compatriots find it as moving as the liberal establishment did?

    With Serie A, La Liga, the Premier League, and the Bundesliga all having begun their seasons this month, I doubt they’re even aware it took place.

  192. @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    Disappeared, or morphed into the pro-war left? Remember Seeger and Trumbo. And Barbra Streisand in The Way We Were.

  193. @ben tillman
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …
     
    Human rights? Not even close.

    The only human right (i.e., the only universalizable right) is the right to be free from aggression. Nothing could be more at odds with human rights than "Invade the world; invite the world."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Good comment.

  194. @Auntie Analogue
    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Bubba, @Pat Boyle, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP’S CABINET. The Idea has been floated but that guy’s a Swamp Creature of the deepest, swampiest tier

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    CrunchybutRealistCon:

    I had thought that John Bolton was/is bad. But Lieberman in Trump's cabinet would be the sickest of sick jokes, all at the expense of the American people.

    , @Bubba
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    At first glance I thought you wrote:

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP’S CASKET.

    Better check my eyeglass prescription....

  195. Paul McCartney sez he saw God while taking a drug trip. He sez that God looked like a huge Wall. This was before Donald Trump announced his presidential candidacy in June of 2015. What Paul probably saw was John McCain’s brain cancer or Aretha Franklin’s ass crack.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  196. @AnotherDad
    @Auntie Analogue


    Lieberman, Schumer, George W. Bush: you know that when $ellout$ such as they praise someone, that that someone is, or was, no advocate for us ordinary Americans and likely is, or was, hostile to our interests and welfare.
     
    Ironically if "patriotic" "maverick" John McCain, had actually been a patriot and a maverick he would have run in 2008 on:
    -- closing the border, stopping immigration, deporting illegals--jobs go to American workers
    -- reigning in Wall Street, stopping bailouts from going to the crooks and reform to get them permanently off the taxpayer tit (no heads i win, tails you lose)
    -- closing down Iraq and Afghanistan nation building foreign adventures and instead focusing on killing terrorists and most of all making sure they--and Islam in general--are kept out of the United States (and the West generally)

    ... McCain would have become President of the United States!

    It's precisely because McCain is neither any sort of "maverick" nor a patriot--but a generic globalist tool--that his legacy is "loser".

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    McCain’s treatments gave him Irish Alzheimer’s: he forgot everything but his grudges.

    With respect for what the guy went through, his last days were grotesque. The guy’s handing phonied-up opposition dossiers on his own party’s candidate to the FBI, then he crawls out of his deathbed to save Obamacare, for no other reason than as an F U to Trump.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  197. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Auntie Analogue

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP'S CABINET. The Idea has been floated but that guy's a Swamp Creature of the deepest, swampiest tier

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Bubba

    CrunchybutRealistCon:

    I had thought that John Bolton was/is bad. But Lieberman in Trump’s cabinet would be the sickest of sick jokes, all at the expense of the American people.

  198. @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She's pretty dumb, but the main problem is how trashy she is. How about that incident with the cops breaking up a big fist fight between her family and another, at a frat party, about 2 years ago.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

    I guess if your kids starting abusing cocaine that makes you a drug addict.

  199. @ben tillman
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    “The greater cause to which he devoted his life was America, not so much the country defined by its borders, but the America of our founding values: freedom, human rights, opportunity, democracy and equal justice under law” …
     
    Human rights? Not even close.

    The only human right (i.e., the only universalizable right) is the right to be free from aggression. Nothing could be more at odds with human rights than "Invade the world; invite the world."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Neither of those guys actually held those values.

  200. @TTSSYF
    @Barnard

    I don't think McCain would have won with any running mate. I voted for him, because I saw through Obama from the very start, but I knew too many people at the time who were too enthralled with the idea of voting for the black guy. Try as hard as I could, there was simply no dissuading them from it. One relative has sheepishly admitted her mistake and told me she voted for Trump.

    Replies: @Corn

    I agree. I’m not excusing McCain’s many flaws as a man or politician but after eight years of W, I think the Democrats would’ve won the Presidency in ‘08 if they nominated a dead chicken to run.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corn

    The Democrats figured to win with any credible nominee. Hillary would have beaten McCain handily in 2008.

    , @Noah172
    @Corn

    Probably, but the size and shape of that Democratic victory might have been different, and thus the laws and policies of the incoming Democratic administration and Congress might have been different. A savvier Republican national ticket would probably have still lost, but might have dragged a few Republican Senators across the finish line (filibuster) along with some HoR seats.

  201. @Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC
    @Thomas

    It’s been tried. Monrovia, the constitution was a clone of the US constitution.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    One more reminder that biology is upstream of culture, which is upstream of politics.

  202. @Stan d Mute
    @Svigor


    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.
     
    You can have all three, but then you’ll get fired for it. When a badass Marine can’t call his men “faggots” for doing something juvenile and dishonorable, you know America’s national defense rests solely in the hands of the guys running the silos and nuclear subs. Just wait till we find out he also called them “retards,” this man will probably face a firing squad..

    Following a vandalism incident during a port call visit by the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock New York in Gaeta, Italy, Lt. Col. Marcus J. Mainz, the commander of 2nd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, allegedly used the term “faggot" or “faggoty” during a meeting with the 2/6 Battalion Landing Team leaders, multiple sources have told Marine Corps Times.
     
    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/08/30/26-meu-battalion-commander-fired-during-deployment-over-equal-opportunity-concerns/

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR

    The Lt. Col. should have paraphrased Sarah Silverman’s line: “I didn’t mean faggoty like homosexual. I meant faggoty like retarded.”

  203. @jesse helms think-alike
    @David In TN

    In 2008 McCain was trailing badly as per the script. He even refused to criticize Obama, calling him a good man who he'd be proud to have watch over his children when that dumb lady in the crowd called Obama an "Arab" Palin's initial popularity and rousing speech at the convention caused McCain to briefly draw even or slightly ahead in opinions polls right after the Republican convention.

    This led "Them" to crash the stock market and almost destroy capitalism in order to ensure a Obama victory.

    It's a good thing that Trump was trailing in all polls in the run up to the 2016 elections. There's no telling what "They' would have done and what depths to which "They" would have sunk if somehow a poll showed Trump in the lead.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    To the extent that the pollaganda was the product of over-sampling Democrat voters, the failure to guarantee an adequate margin of fraud and the subsequent upset victory for Trump was an own-goal.

  204. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.

    Watching the Left shift positions on what should be important issues to them tells a lot about their true motives. They were against war under Nixon and Reagan and for it under Clinton and O’bama. They said “Judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin” when bashing white Southerners, and now promote race preference, race retribution, and race war. They hated Wall Street in the 60’s and hate deplorable working stiffs today.
    The consistent principle seems have boiled down to blind hatred of white males.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anon


    The consistent principle seems have boiled down to blind hatred of white males
     
    Even beyond that singular hatred is the Leftist will to power.

    The ability to impose their will on the way others think and live is completely arousing to all Leftists.

    This is also why they make common cause with the Islamics - both ideologies are diametrically opposed to the idea of live and let live.
  205. @anonymous
    Trump really has acquired some serious space in the minds of all these people for them to forget they were at someone else's funeral. It's now an obsession. They were all supposed political opponents of one another yet here they are holding hands together, showing that they're all basically on the same team. Not a dime's worth of difference between them.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Of himself and McCain, Obama said. “We never doubted we were on the same team.”

    And that about sums it up, doesn’t it?

  206. @Pat Boyle
    @Auntie Analogue

    It's like having two Popes. We have The Great Schism come again.

    On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow. On the Internet he's a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Steve in Greensboro

    “On TV McCain is a saint, a hero and a just plain wonderful fellow.”

    IN REALITY, he’s a crook, a traitor and nasty vindictive bastard.

  207. Did Steve Sailer come up with “invade the world, invite the world”? Someone called Virgil at Breitbart just used that expression:

    Some of those last few words deserve a second look: “Seemed like a funeral not so much for McCain, but for an ideology which had once sustained America’s imperial hegemony, and is now on the way out.”

    Tracey’s argument is that McCain-style “neoconservatism,” which can be summed up as invade the world, invite the world, is now a goner. While the Establishment—including plenty of Democrats—loves it, most Americans don’t.

    Breitbart

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Matra

    Matra:

    Steve is too humble or non-self-aggrandizing to confirm that he authored invade the world, invite the world. I believe that he also added in hock to the world.

  208. @AndrewR
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why do you think Lenin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (unless you inexplicably blame Lenin for what Stalin did after Lenin died)? I realize this is a right wing safe space, but to not include old Adolf in the top three seems pretty indefensible.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

    “Why do you think Lenin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler ”

    Neither stated nor implied. Why are you defending communists?

    ” I realize this is a right wing safe space, but to not include old Adolf in the top three seems pretty indefensible.

    Who said my list was “top three”? How many straw men can you fit into two sentences? Why are you defending communists?

    Anyway, I see you’re very intent on missing the point of my comment. But by all means, please continue to lose your mind over the comparative examples I gave. 🙂

  209. @Stan d Mute
    @Svigor


    Perspicacity
    Moral Courage
    Military service in [current year]

    Pick two.
     
    You can have all three, but then you’ll get fired for it. When a badass Marine can’t call his men “faggots” for doing something juvenile and dishonorable, you know America’s national defense rests solely in the hands of the guys running the silos and nuclear subs. Just wait till we find out he also called them “retards,” this man will probably face a firing squad..

    Following a vandalism incident during a port call visit by the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock New York in Gaeta, Italy, Lt. Col. Marcus J. Mainz, the commander of 2nd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, allegedly used the term “faggot" or “faggoty” during a meeting with the 2/6 Battalion Landing Team leaders, multiple sources have told Marine Corps Times.
     
    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/08/30/26-meu-battalion-commander-fired-during-deployment-over-equal-opportunity-concerns/

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR

    If he can’t find better words to express his anger at such incidents, perhaps he lacks the sense needed to be a commander.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @AndrewR

    The Dutch Army is THAT way, faggot.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  210. @Clyde
    @Wilkey

    Republican primary for the United States Senate from Arizona, 2010:
    John McCain (inc.) - 284,374 (56.2%)
    J.D. Hayworth – 162,502 (32.1%)
    Jim Deakin – 59,447 (11.7%)


    But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration.
     
    Talk about a nasty, stone cold liar who feels he is owed and owed and owed due to his years in North Vietnam POW camps. McLame came off as hard core on illegal immigration in this vicious 2010 campaign against J.D. Hayworth, who was a solid conservative. As I remember, McCain had a huge campaign war chest that he used. But more importantly, the lazy Arizona voters liked hearing McLames lies about being serious about border enforcement. I am pretty sure Dems could vote in that primary, I know party registration means nothing there as far as voting in Presidential primaries.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @David In TN

    Hayworth was sold out by the Mormons, who then voted en bloc for McCain as per their orders.

    • Replies: @Joe H
    @Jack Hanson

    No doubt a majority of Mormons voted for McCain in that primary, but there were no marching orders and he would have won even if every Mormon voted for Hayworth. I voted for Hayworth and I voted for Kelli Ward when she ran against him.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  211. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    @Buffalo Joe

    Jerry Brown is a long time death penalty opponent and advocate of minimal prison time for non Whites. He is the same non gendered person xe/xir was in 1968.

    A California native I can say xir has been among the worst of California s pols.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    He was the envy of much of the country when I was in high school for banging the snot out of Linda Ronstadt. I never thought Ronstadt was that hot appearance wise but she was certainly the best of her generation of pop-rock singers and had a lot of hits. Jann Wenner, might be gay now but he was sure as hell hetero for her in her salad days. Her constant appearance in Rolling Stone was by no means the key to her success, but she went from big to bigger because of it.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Anonymous

    According to Johnny Carson, when Pete Wilson defeated “Governor Moonbeam,” that very night he called up Ronstadt to ask her for a date

    Rimshot

  212. @Clyde
    @Wilkey

    Republican primary for the United States Senate from Arizona, 2010:
    John McCain (inc.) - 284,374 (56.2%)
    J.D. Hayworth – 162,502 (32.1%)
    Jim Deakin – 59,447 (11.7%)


    But to Democrats there were two things to love about him: his willingness to be incredibly nasty to conservatives who disagreed with him, and also his betrayal of Republicans on one issue that matters more to Democrats than any other: immigration.
     
    Talk about a nasty, stone cold liar who feels he is owed and owed and owed due to his years in North Vietnam POW camps. McLame came off as hard core on illegal immigration in this vicious 2010 campaign against J.D. Hayworth, who was a solid conservative. As I remember, McCain had a huge campaign war chest that he used. But more importantly, the lazy Arizona voters liked hearing McLames lies about being serious about border enforcement. I am pretty sure Dems could vote in that primary, I know party registration means nothing there as far as voting in Presidential primaries.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @David In TN

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the voters in Republican primaries.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  213. @Corn
    @TTSSYF

    I agree. I’m not excusing McCain’s many flaws as a man or politician but after eight years of W, I think the Democrats would’ve won the Presidency in ‘08 if they nominated a dead chicken to run.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Noah172

    The Democrats figured to win with any credible nominee. Hillary would have beaten McCain handily in 2008.

  214. @Matra
    Did Steve Sailer come up with "invade the world, invite the world"? Someone called Virgil at Breitbart just used that expression:

    Some of those last few words deserve a second look: “Seemed like a funeral not so much for McCain, but for an ideology which had once sustained America’s imperial hegemony, and is now on the way out.”

    Tracey’s argument is that McCain-style “neoconservatism,” which can be summed up as invade the world, invite the world, is now a goner. While the Establishment—including plenty of Democrats—loves it, most Americans don’t.

    Breitbart

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Matra:

    Steve is too humble or non-self-aggrandizing to confirm that he authored invade the world, invite the world. I believe that he also added in hock to the world.

  215. @anon
    @David In TN


    The antiwar left disappeared when Obama entered the White House.
     
    Watching the Left shift positions on what should be important issues to them tells a lot about their true motives. They were against war under Nixon and Reagan and for it under Clinton and O'bama. They said "Judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin" when bashing white Southerners, and now promote race preference, race retribution, and race war. They hated Wall Street in the 60's and hate deplorable working stiffs today.
    The consistent principle seems have boiled down to blind hatred of white males.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    The consistent principle seems have boiled down to blind hatred of white males

    Even beyond that singular hatred is the Leftist will to power.

    The ability to impose their will on the way others think and live is completely arousing to all Leftists.

    This is also why they make common cause with the Islamics – both ideologies are diametrically opposed to the idea of live and let live.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  216. @Roderick Spode
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Oxycontin

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

    That is pretty funny, but I’ve honestly never had it.

  217. @Jack Hanson
    @Clyde

    Hayworth was sold out by the Mormons, who then voted en bloc for McCain as per their orders.

    Replies: @Joe H

    No doubt a majority of Mormons voted for McCain in that primary, but there were no marching orders and he would have won even if every Mormon voted for Hayworth. I voted for Hayworth and I voted for Kelli Ward when she ran against him.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Joe H

    Hayworth was winning until McCain went to fhe Mormons on his knees.

    Him supporting Flake for Kyl's seat was part of the price he paid.

  218. @Samuel Skinner
    @ben tillman


    How did Puritans even get into the conversation?
     
    Ah, you haven't been introduced to modern reaction. If you want the details ask, but most people don't find relentlessly cynical and clinical examination of human behavior interesting.

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any “revolutionary” aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.
     
    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.

    The Christians in the Netherlands did not live “next door to” the Jews of the Netherlands; they lived with or among them in the same polity.

    The Puritans of East Anglia lived next door to the Jews of the Netherlands. i.e. in the next-door polity. Look at a map. As D.H. Fischer pointed out, travel by sea was faster than travel by land in those days.

  219. @S. Anonyia
    @ben tillman

    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose. The whole nation of ideals crap came from the Puritans first. Other colonists were just here for cheap land and a chance at making money. Normal stuff, just making a home.

    Did not realize Puritans lived next to Jews in the Netherlands. I think those would be Sephardic though and they aren’t really known for being particularly ideological. Though I could be wrong and am curious.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    I could write a book in response to your comment.

  220. @Sarah Toga
    @ben tillman

    Are you thinking of the Pilgrims' sojourn in Holland? Generally speaking, the Puritans wanted to change the C of E from within, they generally stayed in England until the persecutions drove so many to become homesteaders/settlers in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. By contrast the Pilgrims typically separated from the established church. I have to admit I never heard of Pilgrim relations with Dutch Jews.
    OT, I've seen reference in these comment threads of studies that find the Puritan settlers were high IQ. It seems the Puritan movement attracted people with high verbal ability. Interesting. That could turn out to be good or bad. Obama's mother was a descendant of Puritans who went over to the Unitarian/Universalist sect.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Are you thinking of the Pilgrims’ sojourn in Holland?

    No, I am not.

  221. @backup
    @Jonathan Mason

    Growth is pointless in a growing population because it means sharing the larger wealth over more people. Case in point: Africa.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Growth is pointless in a growing population because it means sharing the larger wealth over more people. Case in point: Africa.

    I have no real opinion as to whether growth is a good thing, but in the US more people means more homes built, which means more refrigerators and TVs sold, more insurance policies sold, more customers for cable TV, ADT, and H & R Block, more dog food sold, more cars, and so on. It also means that more money is sent overseas to be spent on American consumer luxuries like Pampers brand diapers, and Kelloggs cornflakes.

    This may not be good for you and me, but it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good and to some extent the people who benefit financially from an increasing population will act as a counterweight to those who are losing out due to an increased population.

  222. @Le Autiste Corv
    @ben tillman

    New Englanders always were known for their missionizing spirit and Messianism whether cloaked in overt, righteous, John Brown rhetoric or in the more prosaic, and less threatening rhetoric of
    "improving", whether it be Asian or Polynesian heathens or Southern barbarians. Perhaps the 17-century colonists weren't Messianic, but their 18th and 19th-century descendants certainly were. P

    Interesting little fact about the Battle of the Crater during the Civil War. White soldiers were sent in to the killing zone first because Meade didn't want to be accused of using blacks as cannon fodder. I make this point because at a time when the Ashkenazi were still mostly peddlers, WASPs were already acting like characters in a Tom Wolfe novel.

    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.

    No, those why deny this truth are arguing from ignorance or bad faith. Your assertions have no theoretical or empirical support.

    No one “blames” the Ashkenazim for this.

    First, there is no “blame”. There is just historical observation.

    Second, the Jews in the Netherlands were Sephardic. How could you speak so confidently without knowing such a basic fact?

    Third, the Messianic fervor and the Tikkun Olam of 15th/16th/17th-century Netherlands had an undeniably great influence on the English Puritans.

    No, we are correct. There is no theoretical or empirical counter to our conclusion.

    • Replies: @Le Autiste Corv
    @ben tillman

    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I'd argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.

    There were Sephardim in the U.S. since colonial times, they weren't know to be particularly Leftist or Messianic. Indeed, they and German Jews were conservative. For example, Southern Jews (largely Sephardim or German) were viewed with suspicion by Grant.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?

    That's a stretch. Prove it. Cite studies or historians arguing for this.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman

  223. @S. Anonyia
    @ben tillman

    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose. The whole nation of ideals crap came from the Puritans first. Other colonists were just here for cheap land and a chance at making money. Normal stuff, just making a home.

    Did not realize Puritans lived next to Jews in the Netherlands. I think those would be Sephardic though and they aren’t really known for being particularly ideological. Though I could be wrong and am curious.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    The Puritans get into the picture because their utopian shining city on a hill rhetoric led directly to our historical missionary style aggression that McCain was so fond of- first against other Americans leading up to the Civil War and during the various Indian wars, secondly and more importantly in our interventionist foreign policy starting in the late 1800s. We always frame violence and meddling as justified by some greater good or divine purpose.

    That’s all Tikkun Olam,which they got from their Jewish next-door neighbors who were trying to open Britain to Jewish immigration.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  224. @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    He was the envy of much of the country when I was in high school for banging the snot out of Linda Ronstadt. I never thought Ronstadt was that hot appearance wise but she was certainly the best of her generation of pop-rock singers and had a lot of hits. Jann Wenner, might be gay now but he was sure as hell hetero for her in her salad days. Her constant appearance in Rolling Stone was by no means the key to her success, but she went from big to bigger because of it.

    Replies: @FPD72

    According to Johnny Carson, when Pete Wilson defeated “Governor Moonbeam,” that very night he called up Ronstadt to ask her for a date

    Rimshot

  225. @Samuel Skinner
    @ben tillman


    How did Puritans even get into the conversation?
     
    Ah, you haven't been introduced to modern reaction. If you want the details ask, but most people don't find relentlessly cynical and clinical examination of human behavior interesting.

    But for the record, the Puritans lived next door to the crazy Jews in the Netherlands, and no one has ever presented any theoretical or empirical reason to think that any “revolutionary” aspect of Puritanism did not come from their Jewish neighbors.
     
    That is the Pilgrims. Who were a single congregation. The rest of the tens of thousands of Puritans came straight from England.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    Ah, you haven’t been introduced to modern reaction.

    Sounds like a bogus ideology The facts are as I stated them.

  226. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    Democrats... Replacing the historic American people with newcomers is their obsession,
     
    I don't think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population. The same thing has happened in Britain for the same reason.

    Mass importation of foreign consumers happens when resident populations are not producing enough babies. American has been done in by the birth control pill, the condom, and Medicaid. Childbirth is so unaffordable in the US today that very close to 50% of babies arrive on Medicaid.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @pyrrhus, @BenKenobi, @AnotherDad, @backup, @Wilkey, @ben tillman

    I don’t think that is true at all. I think it is simply a belief that economic growth depends on an expanding population.

    No, the natives could expand the population with their own kids. But that is discouraged.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  227. @Whiskey
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The girls they'd inseminate would all be four feet nine inches of Mayan descent. I live here. Haven't seen a blonde girl in years.

    Replies: @Alden

    You’re right. You don’t see pretty blondes even on college campuses any more. A friend once pointed out a slim pretty blonde and said “ that’s a California girl”. I pointed to a gaggle of 4’ 10 200 pound Ugly Indians and said
    “ no those are California girls”

    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Alden

    There are blondes up in Los Feliz and those areas near Hollywood.

    Last summer I took the trolley with the crazy old Chinese fat guy up to the Griffith Observatory.....plenty of blonds and tourists up that way in those hills......

    , @Sarah Toga
    @Alden


    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.
     
    First - it is good to know those blondes of child bearing age found mating partners with blond DNA. Not so easy to put that combination together these days.

    Second, since blonde/blond is a recessive trait (I am one, at least prior to going gray, and I have two blonde daughters), perhaps we should put us on an Endangered Species List. Maybe create our own ethnic or racial category, since we are few in absolute numbers and our percentage of population, both national and global, is dropping fast.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  228. @Intelligent Dasein
    @David In TN


    “90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.”

    Or care.
     
    I certainly don't. I have avoided all the news coverage of McCain's funeral and so far I have refrained from even commenting on his death. It does not seem to me as if anything significant has really transpired. There isn't much to say about John McCain himself, but it would not be out of place here to say a few words about those "borderless American values" that his passing supposedly brought to the fore.

    Most importantly, those values are not the standard litany of freedom, democracy, and equality mouthed over and over again by media and government figures. There is a reason why they say such things, but it is more the result of an unacknowledged mental ellipsis than a conscious commitment to those ideas in their original signification. For as long as America is a going concern, its fundamental activity will be described in precisely those terms as a sort of tribute to the old pieties, even as the state itself transforms its character from one year to the next. Consequently, the words have altered in meaning numberless times, and if one cares to look back at what was originally captured under the aegis of those highminded concepts, he will see that they ceased to be living and effective spiritual determinants some generations ago. But there is a word borrowed from the corporate lexicon that really does express the borderless values espoused by McCain and his contemporaries, and which therefore serves as the true underlying meaning of freedom and democracy today. It is a word not alien to Francis Fukuyama's historiography nor to the actual governing practices of Obama or Merkel. The secret sinew tying these varied strings together is the word "Buy-in."

    "Buy-in" as a political philosophy means the process of persuading individuals that their interests are best served by aligning themselves with the supranational (i.e. "borderless") and rational (i.e. "timeless") socioeconomic regime. It is, in the minds of its adherents, quite judicious and even scientific in its use of carrots and sticks---precisely targeted cruise missiles for the worst malefactors, and for everyone else plenty of healthcare, education, cradle-to-grave welfare, free trade, and "economic opportunity." To the chagrin of its detractors, Buy-in does not represent a deviation from the spirit of Western world history but is a new chord precisely in the key of that history and is a natural development from its earliest and most unalterable antecedents.

    As a species of idea, it is thoroughly both post-Marxist and post-Imperialist. It is Marxist in the sense of recognizing only economic-material causes as operative in determining the cultural outlook of individuals and peoples, and also inasmuch as it posits a "class struggle" of sorts as the fundamental driver of historical progression. The old Marxist categories of bourgeoisie and proletariat have given way to a two-fold division between those who have achieved Buy-in (the "Imperium") and those who are awaiting Buy-in (the "provinces"), these categories being applied irrespective of national origin. Foreign elites are every bit as much a part of the Imperium as native billionaires, while the autochthonous underclasses are relegated to provincial status with a stroke. The Imperialist aspects of Buy-in are are evident in its casual unwillingness to eschew the use of occupying military forces in pursuit of its objectives. McCain's famous statement that the American military might remain in Iraq "for 100 years" is quite a natural expression of this attitude. The idea here was that American forces should sit like a lid on the Iraqi cauldron, picking off the militant opposition and distributing largess to a docile citizenry, while under the weight of this capstone the native Iraqi culture would slowly disintegrate until Buy-in was achieved.

    The ruthless manner in which Buy-in sets itself against the existence of nations and borders, as well as any sort of racial or ethnic particularism, is due not to the sentiments of dreamy world-improvers, thrill-seeking xenophiles, or disillusioned native invalids---although these are the useful idiots who provide a great deal of energy to the movement and generally tend to swell its front ranks---but due to an essential and integral logical inconsistency between the one and the other outlook. "Race" is simply not a factor in what Buy-in considers to be enlightened economic self-interest. And since Buy-in recognizes no interests other than these, it cannot fit race into its matrix of causes and effects. It is not even a defined concept, not a computable term. Thus, when an officious modern thinker proudly proclaims that "race does not exist," he is expressing something that is fundamentally true for him modulo the world-system in which he enunciates all of his ideas. This is no mere partisan cant, no airy Utopianism churned up in the detritus of an enervated mind, but an implacable logical consequence of this form of socioeconomic reductionism. The same arguments apply mutatis mutandis to the related concepts of nations, borders, and even sexes; however, the stubborn perdurance of these gives the lie to the theory and function as inadmissible embarrassments for it. They are therefore shoved into the background as "bigotry."

    In its gross effects, Buy-in strives constantly to make the world safe for oligarchy. Here "liberty" means only the free play of capital, with political correctness as the "ethics" of the market square. It is an attitude, an outlook, and a spirit that is quite characteristic of late imperial ages. However much we may see it tending towards dissolution and decay, we do a disservice to the spirit of historical accuracy not to recognize it as the governing morality of the times; and there is no other beside it. It is an effort doomed to failure, artificial and impossible but paradoxically deriving strength from its very unworldliness. In its missionary zeal to spread urban life to the farthest-flung corners of the globe, in its herculean effort to incorporate everyone and everything into the vast domain of its bureaucratic regulatory apparatus, it is fully representative of the great currents of being that run through these days. This is "Imperium," pure and entire. It is, for almost everyone within the scope of the Western cultural sphere and certainly for anyone of significance within that sphere, the self-evident basis of all law, politics, ethics, and culture. It is the dividing line between good and bad men, between wisdom and foolishness, between the saved and the damned. It is the fate of such periods that, despite the obvious inadequacy and absurdity of their political forms, they are the only substrates in which the vestiges of true creative piety still inhere.

    And these are the "American" values the John McCain defended until---literally---his dying breath. "Universal," not by virtue of being everywhere and always true but because their devotees cannot imagine a contrary; "timeless," because the sovereign reason has dispensed with all particularities of time and place; "American," because as hegemon we bear a unique witness to the power of our undying creed. It is without irony that McCain is described as the great American hero, for he embodied the imperial style of our era. Without irony, yes, but not without blame; yet we must realize that any verdict pronounced upon him is likewise pronounced upon our entire existence as a people.

    There are those who opine that the passing of McCain signifies the end of the Pax Americana, and that with him passed also the century of American greatness. They are correct, and I personally think the change has much to commend it. The Caesarism that follows in the wake of "Buy-in" will finally bring about the end of the hypocritical and monotonous program-politics of the imperial age by reacquainting us with the long-neglected realities. But those who believe this will bring about the Restoration of the West will be disappointed. What it brought, in many ways, is its conclusion.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    For as long as America is a going concern, its fundamental activity will be described in precisely those terms as a sort of tribute to the old pieties . . . .

    Do the Democrats have even one policy that is consistent with the idea of the country as a going concern?

  229. @Corn
    @TTSSYF

    I agree. I’m not excusing McCain’s many flaws as a man or politician but after eight years of W, I think the Democrats would’ve won the Presidency in ‘08 if they nominated a dead chicken to run.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Noah172

    Probably, but the size and shape of that Democratic victory might have been different, and thus the laws and policies of the incoming Democratic administration and Congress might have been different. A savvier Republican national ticket would probably have still lost, but might have dragged a few Republican Senators across the finish line (filibuster) along with some HoR seats.

  230. @anonymous
    @ben tillman


    90% of Americans have no idea what happened at that funeral.
     
    Not so sure about that, my twitter, instagram, and facebook were all “how dare Ariana Grande where a minidress to a funeral” and “did you see Clinton look at her booty” and “that Bishop grabbed her boob” and “Faith Hill? WTF!?!”

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Where are you people from? I get nothing political on Facebook.

  231. @Art Deco
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    You don't because he wasn't. The American Conservative Union reported that he voted with them 81% of the time over the course of his career (87% of the time prior to 1995, about 77% of the time thereafter). He was an episodic irritant but voted with the Republican caucus most of the time. About 20% of the current Senate Republican caucus would be at least as recalcitrant as far as party whips are concerned.

    Replies: @Noah172, @Ifrank

    The ACU doesn’t factor immigration in these scorecards. At least, they didn’t for 2013 (Gang of 8). Even setting aside that immigration is the most important issue (the view of people who read and comment on this blog), weighting immigration equally with other issues would still drag McCain’s score down (and, e.g., Jeff Flake, lifetime 93). Weighting it properly would put McCain and others in the toilet.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  232. @Svigor
    @Mike1

    "Conspiracy theorist" negs are pretty easy to counter. The entire left subscribes to "conspiracy theories" about "the patriarchy," "white privilege," "Amerikkka," "systemic white supremacy," vast conspiracies to make blacks fail, shadowy networks of antisemites, etc., so just mention them whenever people go on about "conspiracy theories."

    Replies: @Moses

    Yes. This.

    I’ve always thought using the Left’s words against them is a winner.

    – Fear mongering. “Saying America doesn’t have a chance to win a trade war with China is fear mongering.”

    – Conspiracy theory. “Russia collusion is a crazy conspiracy theory.”

    – Holocaust denial. “Denying that Whites in South Africa are being murdered daily because of their race makes you sound like a holocaust denier.”

    Rinse and repeat, and repeat again.

  233. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar


    Oh, how I wish it were literally interminable. But all those people will be back at work on Monday.
     
    Tuesday. Monday is Labor Day.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Tuesday. Monday is Labor Day.

    For many of those people, Labor Day is May 1.

  234. @Clyde
    Lions of The Senate, Lions of The Swamp, what's the diff! Eternally reaching across the aisle. Always invading and inviting the world. Open borders here we come, ye haw! In their prime there was nothing Ted Kennedy, McCain and Lieberman could not accomplish. Add Christopher Dodd (not a Lion btw) and you had waitress sandwiches, as in true alpha mavericks getting it on at La Brasserie in DC.
    Alpha as in drilling for offshore oil said Senator Howard Heflin.

    Aug 29, 2009 · Was Senator Howell Heflin right when she said that in 1985 Teddy changed his position on "offshore drilling"?
     
    Mavericks all! As in unique, very special, Lionized Lionizated US Senate mavericks. Did I mention they were all true mavericks? Not like light in the loafers Linseed Graham, trying desperately to pick up McCain's maverick mantle. Oh how he cried at Aretha's McCain's funeral.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Was Senator Howell Heflin right when she said

    Heflin was a tranny?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    You cannot blame me and Tiny Duck. That line was copy n pasted off a yahoo site. For $10,000 Alex. What was Howard Heflin referring to with Ted Kennnedy?

  235. • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Mikhail

    Over in the UK, the comments on this Guardian assessment of John McCain, by its usual lefty readers, are overwhelmingly, and scathingly, critical.

    Left liberals in America are pretty much alone in their hagiography of McCain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/01/john-mccain-was-complex-his-legacy-warrants-critical-discussion

  236. @Mikhail
    Some refreshingly different views of McCain:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-media-on-mccain-and-russophobia-john-mccains-flawed-foreign-policy-advocacy/5652410

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/437454-mccain-funeral-historical-revisionism/

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Over in the UK, the comments on this Guardian assessment of John McCain, by its usual lefty readers, are overwhelmingly, and scathingly, critical.

    Left liberals in America are pretty much alone in their hagiography of McCain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/01/john-mccain-was-complex-his-legacy-warrants-critical-discussion

  237. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    How much did the week of McCain tributes and the over the top funeral cost? Who payed? Are we even allowed to ask?


    Rather than a eulogy the funeral attendees should have made the case for invading Iran at funeral.


    I think John would have liked that.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    How much did the week of McCain tributes and the over the top funeral cost? Who payed? Are we even allowed to ask?

    I hope that his billionaire widow gets presented with the bill, but I bet the taxpayer will actually end up footing most of the bill. Protocol and government rules count for little when you have the kind of insider clout McCain had. Washington DC takes care of its own.

  238. @Alden
    @Whiskey

    You’re right. You don’t see pretty blondes even on college campuses any more. A friend once pointed out a slim pretty blonde and said “ that’s a California girl”. I pointed to a gaggle of 4’ 10 200 pound Ugly Indians and said
    “ no those are California girls”

    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Sarah Toga

    There are blondes up in Los Feliz and those areas near Hollywood.

    Last summer I took the trolley with the crazy old Chinese fat guy up to the Griffith Observatory…..plenty of blonds and tourists up that way in those hills……

  239. Joe Lieberman also ghost wrote “1,001 Uses For a Dead Cat.”

  240. @El Dato
    @ben tillman

    According CNN's Dana Bash "Angels were crying".

    Or maybe it was the Matrix revealing itself.

    Replies: @Vojkan

    How’d she know they were crying? Maybe they were actually pissing.

  241. @Art Deco
    @Mike1

    I’ve yet to meet anyone who gets that McCain was a literal Democrat plant.

    You don't because he wasn't. The American Conservative Union reported that he voted with them 81% of the time over the course of his career (87% of the time prior to 1995, about 77% of the time thereafter). He was an episodic irritant but voted with the Republican caucus most of the time. About 20% of the current Senate Republican caucus would be at least as recalcitrant as far as party whips are concerned.

    Replies: @Noah172, @Ifrank

    Good factual response, Art.

    However, a good plant does his best to stay hidden. It’s not just about how often you vote with your party, but more importantly, on which issues you choose to depart. You can vote with me 80% of the time, but if you vote against me when I need you the most, you can kill me.

  242. @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    Was Senator Howell Heflin right when she said
     
    Heflin was a tranny?

    Replies: @Clyde

    You cannot blame me and Tiny Duck. That line was copy n pasted off a yahoo site. For $10,000 Alex. What was Howard Heflin referring to with Ted Kennnedy?

  243. @ben tillman
    @Le Autiste Corv


    People who criticize the Ashkenazi and blame them entirely for this PC b.s. and ignoring the role of the eternal Anglo and of low church Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, are either arguing from ignorance or in bad faith.
     
    No, those why deny this truth are arguing from ignorance or bad faith. Your assertions have no theoretical or empirical support.

    No one "blames" the Ashkenazim for this.

    First, there is no "blame". There is just historical observation.

    Second, the Jews in the Netherlands were Sephardic. How could you speak so confidently without knowing such a basic fact?

    Third, the Messianic fervor and the Tikkun Olam of 15th/16th/17th-century Netherlands had an undeniably great influence on the English Puritans.

    No, we are correct. There is no theoretical or empirical counter to our conclusion.

    Replies: @Le Autiste Corv

    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I’d argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.

    There were Sephardim in the U.S. since colonial times, they weren’t know to be particularly Leftist or Messianic. Indeed, they and German Jews were conservative. For example, Southern Jews (largely Sephardim or German) were viewed with suspicion by Grant.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?

    That’s a stretch. Prove it. Cite studies or historians arguing for this.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Le Autiste Corv

    Great comment. I'd hit agree but I don't ever click "remember my information." Someone should write a book about this subject.

    , @ben tillman
    @Le Autiste Corv


    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I’d argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.
     
    In other words, we were not talking about the US.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?
     
    Yes, of course.
  244. @Art
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It is an anti-Trump display, a propaganda extravaganza.

    Absolutely – the whole McCain passing was a security state love fest, promoting the national government and the neocon MIC.

    With a gushing media, the government establishment types, were waving the flag and giving the middle class Trump voters the finger. There were no huge throngs of Americans at these events. It was mostly government show time and back patting. (The Senate’s endless praising of McCain was disgusting.)

    The truth is that Trump has disturbed the establishment to its core.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. In the end, McCain showed his true petty nature by not inviting Palin.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Agree. BTW, you don’t “invite” people to your funeral, except in the case of John McCain, who DISinvited Donald Trump and Sarah Palin. He had this no-expense-spared extravaganza planned out like a regular Bridezilla, and it’s purpose was to celebrate himself and get back at a few enemies.

  245. @AndrewR
    @Stan d Mute

    If he can't find better words to express his anger at such incidents, perhaps he lacks the sense needed to be a commander.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Dutch Army is THAT way, faggot.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Triggered much??

  246. @Alden
    @Whiskey

    You’re right. You don’t see pretty blondes even on college campuses any more. A friend once pointed out a slim pretty blonde and said “ that’s a California girl”. I pointed to a gaggle of 4’ 10 200 pound Ugly Indians and said
    “ no those are California girls”

    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Sarah Toga

    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.

    First – it is good to know those blondes of child bearing age found mating partners with blond DNA. Not so easy to put that combination together these days.

    Second, since blonde/blond is a recessive trait (I am one, at least prior to going gray, and I have two blonde daughters), perhaps we should put us on an Endangered Species List. Maybe create our own ethnic or racial category, since we are few in absolute numbers and our percentage of population, both national and global, is dropping fast.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Sarah Toga

    Sarah blondism still pops up as far away as Tajikistan. So lots of people have the genes. Plenty of brunettes have blond kids/grandkids. Also to most of the world light to medium brown hair (like say Elizabeth Hurley or Liam Hemsworth) is practically blond.

    Pale blond hair is pretty rare and special though. It looks really great on people with tanned skin, like the surfer look. But bad on people with gingery complexions- just albino-ish. But less than 10 percent of even the adult white Northern Euro population has that hair color. Probably less than 5 percent among women.

  247. @Rod1963
    @ChrisZ

    McCain was the last "good white person" because he worked so hard to get us into wars to kill off and maim young white men. To help flood the country with 3rd world savages and hollow out our nation industries to cripple us.

    Trump, doing the opposite it the ultimate in 'bad whites" because he's not part of the Death Cult that McCain so happily embraced and what we call the Left/multikult/Po-Mo/Globalist movement.

    Replies: @Sarah Toga

    Spot on comment. Senator McNasty not only blood-lusted to send White American boys to die in pointless wars, he traveled to Ukraine and other hot spots to stir up war. Which would have, again, been Whites killing Whites.

  248. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Auntie Analogue

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP'S CABINET. The Idea has been floated but that guy's a Swamp Creature of the deepest, swampiest tier

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Bubba

    At first glance I thought you wrote:

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD LIEBERMAN BE PUT IN TRUMP’S CASKET.

    Better check my eyeglass prescription….

  249. @Le Autiste Corv
    @ben tillman

    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I'd argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.

    There were Sephardim in the U.S. since colonial times, they weren't know to be particularly Leftist or Messianic. Indeed, they and German Jews were conservative. For example, Southern Jews (largely Sephardim or German) were viewed with suspicion by Grant.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?

    That's a stretch. Prove it. Cite studies or historians arguing for this.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman

    Great comment. I’d hit agree but I don’t ever click “remember my information.” Someone should write a book about this subject.

  250. @Anon
    O/T

    Ill omen on the statue purge

    https://twitter.com/KevinLevin/status/1035636279982149633

    The far-left receives a sort of psycho-sexual glee out of destroying the statues.
    Despite the public being polled as being against removal, any criminal charges against vigilantes are thrown out by the judge, jury nullification is also possible.
    Given that the Democrats no longer need the vote of the Southern working class whites, there is no defense of the Confederates as proto-socialist "Southern Agrarians", thus any apologism for the Confederates is seen by the cultural elite as indistinguishable from Nazi Germany. (The author is a leftist professor, but then again you can count the number of right-wing professors with two hands)
    The only thing that can feasibly stop the tide of removal is "exemplary sentencing", extralegal violence has always backfired.
    Recall the fearstorm whipped up by the ADL early last year about a Jewish cemetery being vandalized that was later found to be subsidence, we don't gain anything by knocking down one of theirs.


    https://twitter.com/TheHempiricist/status/1035649469730058241

    Fundamentally we cannot live in the same society as these people.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Weird to call that statue “vandalized.” It’s been destroyed.

  251. @Cagey Beast
    ... he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election.

    Some people can be trusted to take part in politics and some people can't. The New York Times will let you know who's qualified to engage in self-government and who's not. Apparently the people of Chemnitz are not; they're too blinded by ancestral passions. Let's face it, the difference between "Chemnitz" and "Auschwitz" is only a few letters.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1035646059073155072

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1035976453454622720

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @kaganovitch

    Some people can be trusted to take part in politics and some people can’t. The New York Times will let you know who’s qualified to engage in self-government and who’s not. Apparently the people of Chemnitz are not; they’re too blinded by ancestral passions. Let’s face it, the difference between “Chemnitz” and “Auschwitz” is only a few letters.

    Back in East Germany days, Chemnitz was called Karl Marx Stadt. I’ll bet the Grey Hag could have gotten on board with that.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  252. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @AndrewR

    The Dutch Army is THAT way, faggot.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Triggered much??

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  253. @Sarah Toga
    @Alden


    The only place I’ve seen blondes is the Malibu playground where pretty blonde moms bring their pretty blonde toddlers to play.
     
    First - it is good to know those blondes of child bearing age found mating partners with blond DNA. Not so easy to put that combination together these days.

    Second, since blonde/blond is a recessive trait (I am one, at least prior to going gray, and I have two blonde daughters), perhaps we should put us on an Endangered Species List. Maybe create our own ethnic or racial category, since we are few in absolute numbers and our percentage of population, both national and global, is dropping fast.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Sarah blondism still pops up as far away as Tajikistan. So lots of people have the genes. Plenty of brunettes have blond kids/grandkids. Also to most of the world light to medium brown hair (like say Elizabeth Hurley or Liam Hemsworth) is practically blond.

    Pale blond hair is pretty rare and special though. It looks really great on people with tanned skin, like the surfer look. But bad on people with gingery complexions- just albino-ish. But less than 10 percent of even the adult white Northern Euro population has that hair color. Probably less than 5 percent among women.

  254. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Jean Ralphio

    My father is 85 years old and served 30 years in the military. He was born and raised in a small town in Central Texas during the depression. He was a pilot and served in Vietnam when I was a kid. One of his brothers was about 10 years older than he was and served in WWII as a bomber pilot. He was shot down in the Ploesti oil field raids. My uncle's commander told him and his fellow pilots before they left that that a lot of them would be shot down and would not survive.

    My uncle was lucky. His co-pilot died when their plane was downed, but my uncle survived and was found by the enemy soldiers with a badly mangled leg. They amputated his leg below the knee and he spent time in a POW camp until the war ended. (He said he was treated very humanely in the camp.)

    My father became a military pilot because his older brother was his hero. My point is that men of my father's generation are a different breed. They considered serving their country to be a great honor. I grew up on military bases surrounded by Vietnam War vets. Most were cut from the same cloth as my father. Very honorable men willing to risk death for their country.

    Men of that generation grew up in a different world. Most can't even begin to understand what their nation has become. They instinctively support the military today because it was an honorable institution when they served. Sure there were weasels like John McCain, but they were the exception.

    Although I think the leaders of our current military are largely tools of a corrupt governing elite, I keep my opinions to myself around my father out of respect to his service.

    It saddens me that my father's world no longer exists.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    It saddens a lot of people that your father’s world no longer exists.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  255. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike1


    The issue of fake Republicans need a lot more exposure than it gets.
     
    I appreciate your story, Mike. However, they are NOT fake Republicans. They are just plain Republicans, one of the two color-squads of THE PARTY. You may mean "fake conservatives", as most of them are indeed that. After I'd heard the term RINO for a while, I realized that, cute as the term is, it's erroneous. They are RIAs (Republicans In Actuality), or maybe CINOs. Nobody said Republicans were conservative - it's just been the only place for conservatives to try to find help or be of help.

    Think about this: Why did the Republican politicians try to do anything to block Donald Trump? He's not a conservative in all aspects but he is (was?) on the existential immigration issue. They fought against him until we was President, knowing that now they may have to pretend to work with him. For 75% of the GOP politicians, if they could switch to D right now and still get elected, they'd have no problem doing that.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Close to my view as well, and I said something similar to a friend who was bitching about RINOs.

    The problem isn’t that they are fake Rs.

    The problem is that R no longer means republican, small r. Many people sense or outright realize this. What’s missing is a party that represents we small-r republicans. That articulates and is faithful to that vision of THIS republic.

    Words can’t express how it sickens me any time I have to vote for a Republican, whether they are the best of all worst choices or someone I actually would like to see hired for the office in question. When I think “Republican” I think Reagan, the Bushes, McCain, and all those puppets that Big Don had to defeat to win the GOP nomination…

    …at the point the party realized it would never again win an election if its real republican voters jumped ship.

    “Conservatism” was hacked in the 1980s to win elections by using cable TV to drive the white working and middle class into war with itself. It doesn’t seek to “conserve” anything–not nature, not founding stock Americans, not the US’s cultural heritage.

  256. @ChrisZ
    One truly shameless thing (among many) at The Funeral was the way the eulogists kept invoking the “eternal truths” and “immutable principles” underlying American identity; Obama’s eulogy in particular sounded like his writers had mined old Bill Buckley columns for their lofty visions of the permanent things.

    Such an idea is, of course, *precisely* what the ascendant culture—the one inaugurated into power via Obama—disputes. They reject not only the assertion that there is a founding principle of the American regime, but even that there is anything immutable about human biology.

    It’s become a cliche already that this funeral “brought us all together as Americans.” Unanswered in all of the swooning is what it is that constitutes being an American, why it’s something distinctive, why it’s worth preserving and passing on. The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person will shortly return to their contemptuous destruction of everything American.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rod1963, @ben tillman, @Bugg, @Forbes, @Olorin

    The same people who were mourning McCain’s death today as the passing of the last good white person

    I think you mean “celebrating.”

  257. @Stan d Mute
    @David In TN


    McCain was dead in the water when he picked Palin. She caused him to shoot up in the polls. In some September surveys, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead of Obama.
     
    All I needed to know was that she rode snowmobiles and hunted. Any chick who can blast Bambi in the face with a 30-06 is a vast improvement over our current political class. If McStain wasn’t on the ticket, I would have voted in 2008.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Shooting the cervid in the face ruins the head and antlers. Assuming the shot isn’t missed, which is likely because a cervid’s head moves faster than its torso and is quite narrow, nose on.

    Shooting a cervid in the vitals on field requires precision and self control.

    Neither should be subject to a pornographizing impulse, nor cheapened as a sacred act between a very old People and the Herd that sustains and inspires us, and helps organize our seasons.

  258. @Le Autiste Corv
    @ben tillman

    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I'd argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.

    There were Sephardim in the U.S. since colonial times, they weren't know to be particularly Leftist or Messianic. Indeed, they and German Jews were conservative. For example, Southern Jews (largely Sephardim or German) were viewed with suspicion by Grant.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?

    That's a stretch. Prove it. Cite studies or historians arguing for this.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman

    We were talking about the U.S. Within the U.S. the argument is the Eastern European Ashkenazim have had an outsized role in the Cultural Left in the last 50 years, leading feckless WASPs by the nose. I’d argue Jewish leftist were successful because WASPs were already primed to engage in Messianism because the Reformation destroyed the role of the Roman hierarchy which for centuries did a pretty good job of keeping down destructive Messianic and Millenarian impulses (which are baked into the dna of Christianity), combine this with bourgeois ambition unchecked by nobility and neurosis about status and you have the U.S.

    In other words, we were not talking about the US.

    You are arguing that the Judaizing Old Testament obsession and Messianism of Low Church Protestants is due largely to an influence of Sephardim in the Netherlands?

    Yes, of course.

  259. @Anonymous
    Why was McCain unable to choose Lieberman as running mate?

    Replies: @Noah172

    Too liberal on domestic issues (abortion, guns, environment, and many more). Contrary to liberal opinion, Lieberman was not a “conservative Democrat”; he was a standard neoliberal who embraced Bush on Iraq and terrorism.

  260. @Astorian
    I don't think Sarah Palin was a great selection for VP, but she was never anything but loyal and complimentary to John McCain.

    In return for her loyalty, he spent the last 10 years of his life blaming her for his defeat, directly and through flunkies like Steve Schmidt. Even at the end, he pointedly left her off the guest list to his funeral.

    For all her faults, Ms. Palin is too nice to say this, so I will: McCain was a petty, vindictive SOB.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TTSSYF, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jimi Shmendrix

    I remember thinking in 2008, when he chose Palin – “Wow! He’s throwing the race on purpose.”

    Has that conspiratainment theory gotten any attention?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Jimi Shmendrix

    Hey, I never took Caribou Barbie seriously as a thinker, but she did okay as a governor and I did vote for the ticket.

  261. @Jimi Shmendrix
    @Astorian

    I remember thinking in 2008, when he chose Palin - "Wow! He's throwing the race on purpose."

    Has that conspiratainment theory gotten any attention?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Hey, I never took Caribou Barbie seriously as a thinker, but she did okay as a governor and I did vote for the ticket.

  262. MCain’s death has only brought the NeoCon/RINO and Leftist sectors of the Establishment together, not the people. The plebes are correctly seeing the lionization of MCcain for the anti-Trump propagandized event that it is.

  263. @Perspective
    I think the McCain funeral is the longest I have ever witnessed. It feels longer than a Weekend at Bernie's. There's so much praise being heaped on him from Democrats, that I'm wondering if they will run his corpse in 2020, they already ran one in 2016.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle

    I had always liked Lieberman. He should learn how to shut up.

  264. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "McCain revealed earlier in 2018 in his last memoir, The Restless Wave, that he regretted not being able to choose Lieberman as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election. "

    You almost get the impression that if given the chance, McCain would have given Lenin, Stalin and Mao a run for their money on who could murder the most people as a dictator.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @BB753

    Aviators tend to be short. Senator McCain certainly was short, in a field, namely politics, where every inch counts (no homo). To be successful in politics, 6 feet tall is the minimum. So McCain had to overcompensate by being the most belligerent, maverick, and manliest politician.
    Short man syndrome. Also, daddy issues.
    McCain was only great at being evil.

  265. @Joe H
    @Jack Hanson

    No doubt a majority of Mormons voted for McCain in that primary, but there were no marching orders and he would have won even if every Mormon voted for Hayworth. I voted for Hayworth and I voted for Kelli Ward when she ran against him.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Hayworth was winning until McCain went to fhe Mormons on his knees.

    Him supporting Flake for Kyl’s seat was part of the price he paid.

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