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From the Washington Post’s database of police shootings:

But, the police also occasionally manage to kill somebody without shooting him. Many people believe that George Floyd died from being restrained rather than from the fentanyl in his bloodstream.

 
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  1. It’s hard to separate out the innumeracy from the racial ignorance. How about another poll asking how many black people one thinks lives in the US, also for each factor of 10?

    You know the Conservatives are smarter,
    the Conservatives are smarter today …

    Wasn’t that a Grateful Dead song?

  2. wren says:

    Almost as much as they know about lynchings.

  3. First of all, you’ve got to be kidding with those damn lies.

    Second of all, what about cops shooting unarmed white men? They do it all the time around here. I guess they don’t matter. Especially on this site of thoughtless enamoured cop-lovers.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  4. wren says:

    George Floyd.

    Lost his job due to the wuhan virus pandemic.

    Arrested for passing Chinese counterfeit money.

    Killed by chinese fentanyl.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  5. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says:

    This is stupid. The choices given were:

    1. About 10

    2. About 100

    3. About 1,000

    4. About 10,000

    5. More than 10,000

    I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average, and smart people figure that multiple choice question answers on average are in the middle of the range. You do this on the SAT, right? the answer is probably not 1 or 5, so you randomly pick 2, 3, or 4. Sometimes it’s 1 or 5, but usually not. This is not recommended for answers that are not scalable, rankable answers in a range. A question like What is the capital of the Netherlands? is just as likely to be 1 or 5 as it is to be 2 or 3 or 4.

  6. ic1000 says:

    Evening after evening, NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt does its part to educate Americans about the continuing epidemic of police attacks on peaceable black men. Tonight, there were two stories (4 of 21 minutes). First, Lester covered Elijah McClain (black, cops’ chokehold, August 2019), immediately followed by tonight’s entry in the “State of the Struggle” series, which is about “how our country is grappling with racial injustice.” It features the mother of Ahmaud Arbery (black jogger, accosted by white shotgun-wielding neighbors, February 2020), mourning and patiently awaiting justice.

    I am sure that a thorough review of NBC Nightly News would reveal that Lester and his showrunners have covered at least one case like these, where the victim is a white male. But I haven’t seen it.

    The Chinese Communist Party’s “United Front Work Department” is charged with influencing foreign countries. An America with more self-loathing whites and more white-hating non-whites is to the CCP’s advantage. Whatever the UFWD is or isn’t doing to affect NBC’s coverage: they need not change a thing.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  7. Barnard says:

    It seems possible that at least some people responding are ignoring the unarmed part of the question. A significant number of the very liberals consider the shooting of armed black men unjustified too.

    • Replies: @res
  8. J.Ross says:

    It’s all very well and good to have the facts on your side but it’s essential also to have the process. What consequence attains in rich lefty whites defaming the police? Not the murder spike, the murder spike is in the ghetto.

    • Replies: @Intensifier
  9. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Availability heuristic. I liked the 90s-era liberal meme that 1 in every 10 men/women was preferentially homosexual as if this wouldn’t create extinction conditions within a few generations.

  10. Interesting and unsurprising that self-described “very conservatives” are more innumerate than “conservatives.” Who describes themselves as “very conservative” or “very liberal” anyway?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  11. Beckow says:

    The 44% among liberals don’t worry me, stupid is as stupid does, not much to gain by arguing with morons.

    The 20% among the ‘conservatives‘ worry me a lot. What the hell? 1 in 5 conservatives thinks that on an average day 3 blacks are murdered by police. This is further gone then I thought. People can’t do even basic math. Who are these ‘conservatives’, could it by Romney, Bushes and their families?

    • Replies: @bomag
  12. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    In innumerate libtard world more than 25 percent of the population is gay, 500,000 Americans have died from COVID and more than 10,000 unarmed blax were killed by police in a year (30 a day!)

    Oh yes, and they run the entire education system while simultaneously lamenting its ability to produce students with the skills and knowledge to compete globally.

    And they never, ever admit fault or show the propensity for self-reflection.

    That they control of the narrative is as much a symptom of our decadence as a cause.

    • Troll: Guest007
  13. anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    Many people believe that George Floyd died from being restrained rather than from the fentanyl in his bloodstream.

    He instead could have died of a heart attack from exerting himself in resisting arrest.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  14. Sean says:

    Felony murder is what Chauvin is charged with. If someone dies in the course of being feloniously assaulted committed by you then you can be charged with murder. Burglars have been charged with the felony murder of their accomplice even though the accomplice was shot by the householder.

    I once read of a couple of kids of about 15 years old who got 2 bottles of vodka in a charity raffle prize and decided to drink it . One died.

    Now clearly that fellow had a higher blood concentration than most fatal alcoholic poisonings cases do, just like Floyd was over the concentration of Fentanyl that is found in most fatal Fentanyl poisonings

    If the defence lawyer tries to argue that Floyd died of Fentanyl poisoning then Chauvin will certainly be convicted.

  15. Would be interesting to see an estimate of the number of whites killed by the police each year.

    4% of conservatives and 7% of very conservatives estimated that the police killed 10,000 or more Blacks in 2019. Hard to believe anyone would estimate that the police are killing 27 un-armed Blacks each and every day.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  16. Rob McX says:

    Blacks: 16. Whites: 22. Police need to shoot around 50 more whites a year to achieve equality.

    • LOL: Prof. Woland
    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
    , @Jeff
  17. Polistra says:

    Overall, 44% of liberals guessed 1,000 or more

    A thousand or more per day, right? That seems to be about what the liberals I know believe. And as with a certain ‘event’ from the early 1940s, if you dare imply that it might be just a scintilla less, you’re immediately branded a denier and awarded all of the many ‘advantages’ pertaining thereto.

    Seriously, they’re so well-trained that even quoting facts and figures from their favorite journals, such as the Washington Post above, has no effect. Unless by ‘effect’ we mean ‘writing yourself out of polite society.’

  18. I looked up that database awhile ago and was shocked how low the numbers were (usually between 15-25 on any given year). I mean I knew the media was feeding us overblown BS about the threat to unarmed black men, but Jesus Christ..talk about a giant nothing burger.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  19. Goatweed says:

    Is there a category for unarmed perps who attempt to take the police officer’s weapon?

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @anon215
  20. So what?

    For the country to die, it doesn’t matter what is true; it matters what is believed.

    They believe in nonsense propaganda, and we know its false, but Plato’s parable of the caves comes true again and again.

    I have person close to me who continually gets angry if I say the Wuhan Flu was created in a Chinese lab. Not disagreeing, actually angry that I would contradict the current protect-China propaganda. When they insist it was someone-eating-a-bat, I point out how preposterous that is and how much more likely the cause was the Chinese CDC having someone fail to follow its safety protocols and releasing it by accident. The response is spitting anger—the propaganda trains them not merely to believe lies, but to actually get enraged and defensive when the propaganda is contradicted.

    We are doomed.

  21. As Reagan famously said, the trouble with liberals isn’t that they are ignorant, it’s that they know so much that isn’t so:

    Or, as Marxist Susan Sontag famously admitted, people who read the right-wing Reader’s Digest had a lot more realistic view about the Soviet Union than readers of far-left The Nation.

    https://archive.vn/1R9t5

    Much of the Left’s success is weaponized brainwashing.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    , @Mr. Anon
  22. @Rob McX

    Police need to shoot around 50 more whites a year to achieve equality.

    “Equity” is the word you’re supposed to use. Achieve “equity.” Forget whether it’s proper. Go with the flow!

  23. Reminds me of those polls where they ask people under thirty what percentage of people in America are gay.

    People can’t really feel big numbers, especially now that they don’t get a real education. It’s incredible, when you think of how many contacts police have everyday with bad, violent, stupid people, that so few are fatally shot in a year.

    • Agree: Seneca44
  24. Jeff says:
    @Rob McX

    Rob, why would you assume equality of white and black on this topic? Walk me through it, because right now I don’t think you’re serious.

  25. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    Libtardianism really is a mental disorder. Imagine truly believing that 10,000 black men were killed per year – that’s 27+ every day. How deep into a gated and curated bubble-world must one be to accept such insanity as “true”?

  26. ‘Blacks: 16. Whites: 22. Police need to shoot around 50 more whites a year to achieve equality.’

    Don’t even think about how many women and seniors they need to plug.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  27. Kylie says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “It’s hard to separate out the innumeracy from the racial ignorance. How about another poll asking how many black people one thinks lives in the US, also for each factor of 10?”

    I was reading Der Spiegel in English a few years ago. German commenters were horrified at how few blacks had decent jobs, incomes, etc. I gradually realized the numbers seemed like evidence of terrible systemic racism to them because they apparently thought nearly half of the US population was black.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @anonymous
    , @CCZ
  28. Honest competent people could lay out the facts to a liberal and it would have no effect. Liberals are social snobs, if someone they regard as lower status provides evidence contrary it will be ignored. Time for separation they are a plague on all humanity let them continue to carry water for the Jews in there own country.

  29. @Achmed E. Newman

    This is an excellent point.

    Does it matter if people know the correct number of killings, but have no way of conceptualizing that number’s relevance in a nation of 330 million people?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  30. @Kylie

    they apparently thought nearly half of the US population was black.

    Do they see American TV commercials? That would explain it.

    • Agree: Polistra, Joseph Doaks
    • Disagree: Just another serf
  31. When you’re 20 you care what everyone thinks, when you’re 40 you stop caring what everyone thinks, when you’re 60 you realize no one was ever thinking about you in the first place.

    You have enemies?

    Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.

    — Winston Churchill

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  32. Black people should never be shot by police. Black people are inherently peaceful. They are really nice.

  33. Dr. X says:
    @ic1000

    Decades ago I realized that the media can, and does, artificially create public perception by manipulating the context of facts and stories.

    For instance, if one person is killed by a drunk driver every day, and the media chooses to lead off every newscast with that story every day of the week, it will create the perception that drunk driving is out of control and the public will approve of just about any law enforcement tactic against it and just about any punishment for it.

    However, in this example that would be 365 people a year killed by drunk drivers — which isn’t very many in a nation of 300 million.

    The actual number of people killed by drunk driving is around 10,000 per year, so if ONLY 365 people were killed it would be an extraordinary success — yet the media could easily make people believe the opposite of the truth if it wanted.

    This is why politics has become largely about politicians seeking favorable press and colluding with the press, and why so many establishment types were outraged at Trump for calling out the “fake news.”

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  34. anonymous[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie

    German commenters were horrified at how few blacks had decent jobs, incomes, etc. I gradually realized the numbers seemed like evidence of terrible systemic racism to them because they apparently thought nearly half of the US population was black.

    Are you sure that follows?

    Germans would have been horrified at the numbers even if you accounted for the population sizes, or if they had simply looked only at percentages within the black population. It still points to systemic racism.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @Hypnotoad666
    , @Forbes
  35. wren says:

    Liberals Know a Lot of Fake News About the Election

    Many people believe that Joe Biden actually won the election rather than benefitting from coordinated, widespread election fraud.

    I wish I had a truth machine.

  36. Kylie says:
    @anonymous

    Yes, I’m sure the Germans would have been horrified by their perception of US systemic racism, regardless of numbers, facts, stats, etc.

    But it was made even worse by their misperception that nearly half the US population is black.

    My observation is that much of the UK and Western Europe fails to understand how large the US is and how different its various regions are from one another. To them, the US consists of the acceptably woke and cosmopolitan East and West Coasts and a horrible area in between of gun-toting, black-hating rednecks.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  37. Roughly 100 people are killed each year as a result of police pursuits (i.e. collateral damage).

    I once witnessed such a catastrophe. Some poor slob in a high pedestrian area crosswalk was clobbered by a wrong-way driver in flight.

    My understanding is that off-duty police and firefighters are among the worst drivers out there. A moral hazard is created by our heroes knowing that their union brethren won’t ticket them.

  38. @anonymous

    Many people believe that George Floyd died from being restrained rather than from the fentanyl in his bloodstream.

    He instead could have died of a heart attack from exerting himself in resisting arrest.

    Or from ingesting too many Little Debbies from CUP Foods.

    Do we have to refer to people as black and white? Cookies and cream sound so much tastier.

    (Is that a subliminal wildcat in the front?)

    • Replies: @anonymous
  39. @wren

    Three wongs don’t make a white.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @wren
  40. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    New hate hoax?:

    CMC Sign Desecrated to Spell “KKK”
    https://claremontindependent.com/cmc-sign-desecrated-to-spell-kkk/

    Yesterday, an unidentified male suspect allegedly desecrated a Claremont McKenna College sign to spell ”KKK,” the abbreviation of the Ku Klux Klan, a racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBT hate group.

    Suspect is observed as an adult male, approximate age mid to late twenties, ethnicity unknown, light color hair. Approximate height and weight 5’8″ tall, 170 lbs. Wearing an orange winter coat, light pants, dark color shirt and shoes.

    Light hair. Hmmm. You cannot see his face, so ethnicity is unknown … yet they know the age is mid to late twenties? The Claremont Independent suggests that it might be directed at the campus police, who have been the target of campus activists recently.

  41. @Dr. X

    That drunk driving scenario is a very good example, Dr X; thanks much, and I hope you won’t mind if I use it myself some time.

  42. @Abolish_public_education

    In the late ’90s there was a case in South Florida involving David Farrall, an off-duty FBI agent. It received significant local coverage but did not percolate into the national consciousness.

    Farrall – a white guy – spent several hours at a sports bar with other law-enforcement officials, watching Monday Night Football while downing two pitchers of beer. When the game ended after midnight, Farrall got in his car and drove south in the northbound lanes of Interstate 95 (with his lights off) until he smashed into another vehicle. Farrall sustained only minor injuries, but both occupants of the other car – two young black guys – died on impact.

    At first, the Florida Highway Patrol blamed the dead driver for the crash, until it came out that numerous drivers had called 911 to report Farrall’s car racing down the interstate in the wrong direction. Eventually the FHP retracted its initial report and assigned the blame to Farrall.

    Farrall was charged with DUI manslaughter and vehicular homicide but was acquitted. After a lengthy legal battle, he served a 90-day sentence for drunken driving.

    If such a crime were to happen today, it would become a national crisis.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @AnotherDad
  43. @anonymous

    It still points to systemic racism.

    Or to black dysfunction. But if that’s not a conclusion you can accept for religious reasons, then systemic racism it must be.

    But then explain Jewish overrepresentation, is that systemic pro-Jewish racism?

  44. anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or from ingesting too many Little Debbies from CUP Foods.

    “Little Debbies”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  45. @Anon

    I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average, and smart people figure that multiple choice question answers on average are in the middle of the range. You do this on the SAT, right?

    Well, I don’t know what you consider “smart,” but I didn’t do that when I took the SAT … because most of the time, I knew that answer.

  46. Mr. Anon says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    My understanding is that off-duty police and firefighters are among the worst drivers out there.

    Some of the most dangerous road situations I’ve ever seen were caused by cops. None of them led to an accident, but it was obvious how they could have led to horrific accidents which would have gotten the cops themselves and, potentially, innocent bystanders killed. A lot of cops just seem to have no situational awareness.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  47. @R.G. Camara

    Sontag said that? I remember the socialist economist Robert Heilbroner saying something about this in the late 1980’s. That if you read libertarians and conservatives about the Soviet Union you had better understanding of life behind the Iron Curtain than if you read socialists and Marxists.

  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Or, as Marxist Susan Sontag famously admitted, people who read the right-wing Reader’s Digest had a lot more realistic view about the Soviet Union than readers of far-left The Nation.

    And yet for the rest of her life she continued to look down on people who read Reader’s Digest and continued to look up to people who read (and write) The Nation.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  49. @Mr. Anon

    I was almost killed by a Chicago PD cruiser that ran a red light in the early morning hours. I haven’t been in a car accident since the 1970s, mostly because other people tend to be pretty good drivers and thus avoid my mistakes, but this time it was my attentive driving that let me slam on the brakes before I got broadsided.

  50. J.Ross says:
    @ic1000

    Yes, in fact everything the Biden administration and the mainstream media do just happens to be what Beijing wants them to do. Devalue the currency, destroy industry, voluntarily give up infrastructure and resources, make American students dumber, and constant stress and division.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  51. @Mr. Anon

    Or, as Marxist Susan Sontag famously admitted, people who read the right-wing Reader’s Digest had a lot more realistic view about the Soviet Union than readers of far-left The Nation.

    Or, as Marxist Susan Sontag famously admitted, people who read the right-wing Reader’s Digest had a lot more realistic view about the Soviet Union than readers of far-left The Nation.

    I was put off by her statement that the white race is the cancer of history. But pictures like this made me reconsider if maybe she was onto something.

    Not that it stopped her from being a muffdiver herself. Takes one to know one, I guess.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    , @additionalMike
  52. 22pp22 says:
    @Anon

    Anyone who thinks there are ninety-four genders is, ipso facto, a moron.

  53. CCZ says:
    @Kylie

    Not only Germans think that nearly half of the US population is black.

    Blacks obviously make a very big impression!!

    Twenty years ago (2001):

    “On average, Americans say that 33% of the U.S. population is black. In fact, a majority of Americans (56%) estimate that the percentage of blacks in this country stands at 30% or higher. As many as 17% of Americans say the percentage of blacks is 50% or greater. Only 7% accurately state that the percentage of blacks falls between 10% and 14% of the entire population.”

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/4435/public-overestimates-us-black-hispanic-populations.aspx

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Nachum
    , @William Badwhite
  54. @J.Ross

    Facts, and process yes but also and crucially Narrative and one controls the narrative when and only when one controls the media, Academe and tech. As we know globalists control all three.

    Narrative is the crucial thing.

  55. Nachum says:

    The actual number has been out there for a while for those who wanted to find it. The Post reported 13, I think, and when there was an outcry, they went back and found 27. (Of course, “unarmed” doesn’t mean “unjustified.” Hands can be weapons.)

    Rod Dreher, a man who consumes this sort of news, shockingly guess 100. In February 2021! That confirms everything I’ve been suspecting about him.

  56. Nachum says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Those two gay guys have no male friends to serve as groomsmen? Telling.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  57. Nachum says:
    @CCZ

    Part of that may be where you live. Hassidic Jews think that the United States is about 1/3rd Jewish.

    But most Americans don’t live in places like that.

  58. wren says:
    @Stan Adams

    Three wongs don’t make a white.

    Indeed they don’t.

    500,000 killed by the virus. According to the official count for what it’s worth.

    Not sure of the impact of Chinese counterfeit bills in the US. About a million dollars of ones from China were seized in Minnesota around the same time Floyd was passing them off. Other Chinese counterfeits may cause more harm.

    Chinese Fentanyl kills tens of thousands of Americans a year. Are we at 500,000 deaths from that too?

    Biden’s new AG candidate seems to think that the fraud protest on the sixth is the most important thing in the world to be concerned with, but it doesn’t seem to be that way to me.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  59. @Nachum

    Rod Dreher, a man who consumes this sort of news, shockingly guess 100. In February 2021! That confirms everything I’ve been suspecting about him.

    I get the feeling Dreher is having one of his periodic meltdowns, after which he’ll re-emerge with a worldview reset and a somewhat calmer tone. Recently he’s been discombobulated by trying to reconcile his unresolved TDS with his ongoing (and sometimes admirable) attempts to follow and speak the truth.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
  60. @Anon

    The average of 10+100+1,000+10,000+ 10,001 (=21,111) is 10,555.5 – so the last answer is “in the middle.”

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @ben tillman
  61. fnn says:
    @Stan Adams

    If such a crime were to happen today, it would become a national crisis.

    Today the FBI are heroes of the left, so maybe the media would find a way to cover it up, like they do with so many ideologically inconvenient crimes.

  62. unit472 says:

    Was Michael Brown an unarmed black man? Technically yes, though he tried to take officer Darren Wilson’s handgun from him. That he was also a huge 300 lbs plus pound man charging a smaller man creates a definitional problem as to what constitutes ‘unarmed’.

    Eric Garner was another 300 lbs plus man who decided to resist arrest. George Floyd was a 6 toot 6 man who wanted to resist arrest. It is not reasonable to assume all police officers will be able to subdue a much larger man who would be quite capable of beating him senseless or to death as ‘unarmed’. The FBI even lists hands and feet as murder weapons.

    Then there are Freddie Gray situations.Freddie Gray died in the back of a paddy wagon apparently trying to fake an injury by standing, handcuffed in a moving vehicle. He got a bit more than he bargained for when instead of falling and breaking an arm he broke his neck. Died in police custody for sure but not because of anything the cops did to him.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  63. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    You’re right about NBC Nightly News– practically every night when Lester Holt’s at the helm they have some race-related filler story. However on Saturdays when they have their token Hispanic-Person-of-Color anchor, the very Caucasian looking blue-eyed Jose Diaz Ballart or their token female anchor on Sundays, the race-hustling news pieces largely stop. Which makes me think that the decision to insert these incessant Woke filler stories must be the work of Lester Holt himself.

  64. G. Poulin says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think Dreher is really a girl, trying desperately to pass himself off as a man. This would explain everything.

    • LOL: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  65. Guest007 says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    If the Covid-19 pandemic was shown, Americans are unaware of how many Americans die each year, the current leading causes of death, and past causes of death.

    • Replies: @Rooster10
    , @Jack D
  66. Guest007 says:
    @R.G. Camara

    When the lab had altered the flu, it would show on the DNA sequencing of the virus. There are several articles about the researchers who had been working on MERS (middle eastern respiratory syndrome) who were very familiar with the genomic sequences of coronoa viruses. They would have spotted an edit immediately.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  67. @Frank McGar

    Yes, a black killed by police in the U.S. is about as likely as someone killed by lightning. Both events would get a lot of press coverage.

  68. @Abolish_public_education

    I’ve always wondered why fleeing in a vehicle shouldn’t be a justified shootable offense, much like someone fleeing cops and randomly firing a gun at the same time? There is a felony in progress and a weapon in use. The only reason I can thiink that it shouldn’t be is that you couldn’t necessarily determine that another person isn’t in the car.

  69. Slightly off topic but a question: When is the Washington Post or New York Times going to have a column titled “Why is so much importance given to crime victims?”

    Or more to the point, “Why do we have to pay attention to the family members of white murder victims?”

  70. @Reg Cæsar

    The second photo is kind of hot. Are there any honeymoon pictures?

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  71. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:

    The 16/22 ratio should be repeated by those of us on the right at every opportunity. Many people who flew off the handle about George Floyd over the summer would have been much more restrained if that knew the numerical truth. His death was an anomaly and not indicitive of a national crisis of killer cops.

    I notice BLM is agaisnt body cams now, which is very telling. They dont care about the truth.

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @anon
    , @CCZ
  72. @Anon

    “I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives”

    Liberals are smarter than conservatives? What evidence do you have for that astonishing assertion?

  73. @obwandiyag

    Especially on this site of thoughtless enamoured cop-lovers.

    The only person on this site that could be considered a “cop lover” is retired ladycop Alden. The rest of us think they’re pigs. ; )

  74. @Sean

    “Felony murder is what Chauvin is charged with. If someone dies in the course of being feloniously assaulted committed by you then you can be charged with murder.”

    But Floyd was not being feloniously assaulted, he was being lawfully detained.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
  75. @R.G. Camara

    “I have person close to me who continually gets angry if I say the Wuhan Flu was created in a Chinese lab.”

    I’m guessing the person close to you is female.

  76. @R.G. Camara

    If you want to see a similar reaction, ask a liberal why there’s a history month for blacks, but not other people. You don’t even need to say White people, just people.

  77. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I notice BLM is agaisnt body cams now, which is very telling

    It is an interesting little cycle. In the Obama years bodycams were demanded in order that criminal actions by police would finally, at long last, be revealed in an unquestionable way. But what actually happened? Well, it turns out that many of the people who have interactions with the police aren’t misunderstood gentle giants, they are violent criminal actors who do bad things and try to get away with crimes.

    A few years of body cams on cops revealed that most cops are trained well enough to do their job even when some foul mouthed individual is trying to do harm to them or other people. Plus as a bonus it revealed that there were suspects – including Suspects of Color – who really do try to kill cops, and sometimes suspects get harmed or even killed as a result. In other words, body cams revealed pretty much what some already knew, and what more are learning every day: some people are no damned good, and they don’t want to be arrested for anything, and they act out in violent ways. Ways that no social worker is equipped to deal with, either.

    With this unpleasant truth revealed, now the cycle has come back around. Community activists are opposed to body cams, because they show some behaviors and actions that, eh, really don’t reflect well on certain communities. Rather than seeking to reform individuals and groups within certain communities, it’s easier to just hide the truth.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  78. black sea says:
    @Anon

    You do this on the SAT, right? the answer is probably not 1 or 5, so you randomly pick 2, 3, or 4. Sometimes it’s 1 or 5, but usually not.

    I think the exam writers make a point of ensuring that the correct answers are just as likely to be a 1 or a 5 as they are to be a 2, 3, or 4.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  79. @J.Ross

    Yes, in fact everything the Biden administration and the mainstream media do just happens to be what Beijing wants them to do.

    All just a coincidence my friend…all just one, big, mysterious coincidence….

  80. So. Better kick CNN and MSNBC off cable for spreading misinformation and hate. Right Dems?

  81. If I recall correctly, there was a poll not to long ago in which blacks estimate their own share of the population of the United States at between 35-40%.

    This naturally is one of the engines of resentment, because blacks don’t see 35-40% of billionaires and Presidents and so forth populated by blacks.

    On the other hand, blacks’ gross over-representation among criminals would not seem to be as bad as it really is if you believed that blacks were 35-40% of the population of the United States. However, on the third hand if you believed this you probably should complain less about blacks’ over-representation in the prison population.

  82. @Nachum

    Those two gay guys have no male friends to serve as groomsmen? Telling.

    They don’t want the competition.

  83. @Stan Adams

    Farrall was charged with DUI manslaughter and vehicular homicide but was acquitted. After a lengthy legal battle, he served a 90-day sentence for drunken driving.

    We have an absolute joke “justice” system, filled with bogus phony notions of “guilt” and “rehabilitation”. No. You own what you do.

    Farrall should have been dragged into the public square and hung.

    If the young black guys’ families killed Farrall in revenge and i was on their jury–“not guilty”. That isn’t what you want, but if the justice system is a joke then people are entitled to seek it on their own.

    We have 10,000 drunk driving murders a year. They aren’t “accidents”. (Fortunately in a fair number of cases the drunks murder themselves.)

    We have thousands of cell phone murders a year. And 100s of thousands of cell phone assaults. They aren’t “accidents” either. Someone decides their pathetic little conversation/text is more important than driving.

    Heck, we have huge numbers of people who can’t have a conversation in their car without constantly looking over at you. Talk to the windshield asshole–i can still hear you. Your *job* is paying attention to what is outside the car. (One of the first things i told my kids about driving with someone after the drugs/alcohol and “you do the texting for them”: If they want to look at you when they talk, tell them to look out the windshield. Or call me, and i’ll pick you up.)

    Driving “accidents” rarely “just happen”. Usually someone has freely chosen to be a dick–prioritize some sort of personal activity over their *job* of driving–and the safety of others on the road–that they take on when they get behind the wheel.

    [Rant off]

    String ’em up!

    • Agree: Cortes, Kylie, Ganderson
  84. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    You do this on the SAT, right? the answer is probably not 1 or 5, so you randomly pick 2, 3, or 4. Sometimes it’s 1 or 5, but usually not.

    Remind me not to send my kids to Anon[115]s SAT coaching school.

    First of all, most of the answers on the SAT have 4, not 5 multiple choices and they are marked ABCD, not 12345.

    2nd, the correct answers are randomly distributed between the 4 letters so guessing A or D is no better or worse than guessing B or C.

    If you really have to guess on the SAT (and you shouldn’t have to – this is really a last resort) then you should at least try to eliminate 1 or more of the choices so that your guess is better than random. Even if you don’t know what the answer IS sometimes you have enough knowledge to know what the answer ISN’T.

    For example, on the subject question, if you are not brainwashed by Leftist propaganda, you’d figure out that choices D and E – 10,000 or more police shootings of unarmed black men per year would require around 30 police shootings per day or more than 1 every hour, or one every two days in every state. Since even a single police shooting tends to become a cause celebre and provoke undocumented shopping, it’s ridiculous to think that there could be 30 of them every single day. So right off the bat you could eliminate D and E (and probably C also) and guess between A and B, which would give you a 50/50 shot at the right answer vs a 1 in 5 chance of random guessing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. Rob McX says:
    @unit472

    If you’re an armed cop, it’s absolutely necessary to shoot anyone who attacks you, armed or not. If your attacker doesn’t have a gun, he soon will if he knocks you unconscious on the ground.

  86. Forbes says:
    @anonymous

    Systematic racism, you say.

    I keep seeing that term–used as an all-purpose excuse encompassing myriad phenomena–but never an explanation, or source. If it is the cause of some objective effect–where does that cause reside?

    Is it in the air, or the water?

    • Replies: @anon
  87. res says:
    @Barnard

    Agreed, but even then we find that in 2020 (totals, both unarmed and armed)
    237 blacks were shot by police
    454 whites were shot by police

    So 1,000 is still 4x the actual value.

    P.S. Anyone have any ideas why the unarmed black/white figures are closer than the totals? Another interesting bit of trivia is that 60 of the shootings of blacks had a body cam recording compared to only 59 of the shootings of whites. More body cams in black areas, or something else?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. res says:
    @Anon

    I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average, and smart people figure that multiple choice question answers on average are in the middle of the range.

    That’s the kind of smart which is really the opposite. And IMHO is responsible for many of our problems in The Current Year.

    Though I do agree with your assertion that it better applies to liberals.

    Your description is actually quite good at capturing the mentality of many of the idiots we see in college these days. They think memorizing (untrue) heuristics like that makes them smart. What really makes things bad is when their professors give them As and Bs for doing so.

  89. Forbes says:
    @Dr. X

    So, apparently, drunk driving fatalities and handgun homicides have about the same number (~10,000) of victims every year. Meanwhile, gun ownership/possession is a national political issue, while drunk driving barely registers on anyone’s consciousness–except the local PD enforcing traffic laws.

    Needless to say, there are more suicides by handgun than are there homicides, yet suicide goes unmentioned. If the prog-left was actually motivated by human compassion, they’d campaign against guns by addressing suicide. But they’d rather lust after political power weaken and delegitimize Constitutional Bill of ‘Rights protections of the 2nd amendment.

    It’s about scoring points against their political opposition. The public can pound sand regarding their Constitutional provisions.

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  90. CCZ says:
    @Anon

    The soon to be United States Associate Attorney General, Vanita Gupta:

    “The promise of these cameras is not guaranteed; in fact, in many jurisdictions, it is not being realized. Without carefully crafted policy safeguards in place, there is a real risk that body-worn cameras could be used in ways that threaten civil and constitutional rights and intensify the disproportionate surveillance of communities of color.”

    “To help ensure that these devices become tools of accountability, rather than instruments of injustice, a broad coalition of civil rights, privacy, and media rights organizations came together in 2015 to develop Civil Rights Principles on Body Worn Cameras.”

    Source: https://www.upturn.org/reports/2017/the-illusion-of-accuracy/

  91. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you really have to guess on the SAT (and you shouldn’t have to – this is really a last resort)

    Why not? Is the SAT that easy?

  92. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Agreed, but even then we find that in 2020 (totals, both unarmed and armed)
    237 blacks were shot by police
    454 whites were shot by police

    Shot and killed, or just shot?

    What are the accurate data by race for unarmed shot and killed, and unarmed and killed, with gun or otherwise? I’ve see a lot of different numbers thrown around.

    • Replies: @res
  93. Forbes says:
    @S. Anonyia

    I’m of the mind that there is a not insignificant number of adult respondents who are fed up with opinion surveys and polling, to the point that they like to mess with them, giving absurd responses.

    Plenty of prog-lefties believe conservatives to be morons and redneck racists, such that they seed these surveys with false data, e.g. indicating as ‘very conservative’ while answering ‘over 10,000.’

    I’m plenty fed up with pollsters, but I just avoid them as a waste of my time. Others have other strategies for dealing with them.

  94. @ic1000

    The Chinese Communist Party’s “United Front Work Department” is charged with influencing foreign countries. An America with more self-loathing whites and more white-hating non-whites is to the CCP’s advantage. Whatever the UFWD is or isn’t doing to affect NBC’s coverage: they need not change a thing.

    Spot on, ic1000.

    No nation has ever just had the heavyweight championship just handed to them like the Chinese are getting.

    This is not to knock Chinese accomplishments the last four decades, but the competition–the US–has just melted down in a orgy of stupidity.

    We’re ruled by a coalition of Jews–for whom America is just a marketplace, and besides those dumb peasants deserve it–and good-white shabbas goys–basking in their oh-so-special virtue. Not a recipe for success.

    Having a successful nation with an elite that doesn’t like–or flat out hates–the nation … shockingly! … doesn’t work.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Polemos
  95. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve done work with folks all over the world and when they visit the states they all ask the exact same question.

    “where are all the black people”

    Because, based on the news, movies and sports, they ALL THINK the USA is majority black.

  96. @Anon

    115 — you’re just outed yourself as a “not bright”.

    — One of the most important aspects of “numeracy” is being able to call “bullshit” on stuff even if you don’t have precise data. It’s coming up on 50 years since i took that SAT, but that sort of question where you can figure out the right answer was certainly on the SAT back then. (Including being the highest value in a bunch too low, or the lowest value in bunch too high.)

    — I would agree that white “liberals” (USA) do tend to be smarter in the SAT sense. They tend to be in “symbolic manipulation” jobs, less materially productive and more dependent on government.

    (BTW: “liberal” in US political label sense has only mild correlation with liberalism. The American “left” is a big coalition based on several factors: racial/ethnic identity (against white gentiles), class identity, dependence upon government, and personal identity/virtue signaling. It’s lack of liberalism is quite apparent today.)

    — Willing to bet that the “liberals” who chose these absolutely ridiculous numbers like 1000 or more are not the “high SAT score” “liberals”. They aren’t the liberal physics–or chemistry or economics–professors. They aren’t the Wall Streeters. They aren’t the techies. They are the blacks, the “girls with BAs” (with lopsided to verbal SAT scores), the “woke moms”. I.e. they are the idiots on the left, who have never had a numerate thought in their lives.

    • Agree: ic1000, Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @interesting
    , @ic1000
  97. anon215 says:
    @Goatweed

    If there were such a category, 100% of the unarmed blacks shot by police would be in it, because it’s ALWAYS the case.

  98. @Anon

    “because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average”

    Then why, in my pathetic life, have I never gotten a job or worked at a liberal owned business?

    There are 5 folks in my family. 2 of us own businesses and the other 3 are liberal and are completely clueless…..

  99. @AnotherDad

    LOL……..I must say that poster says it all AND doesn’t even know it.

    “tend to be smarter than conservatives”

    What he proved was that liberals “think” they are “smarter”……whatever the fuck that means.

  100. Beach Jim says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The innumeracy issue is seemingly unsolvable. I’m a high school teacher and I’ve asked my students questions (never in class or a large group. I’d be cancelled for hate facts. Rather, I’ve spoken with students individually as situations arise…) about race, gender, sexual orientation and I’m always disheartened to find that they are not only incorrect, but wrong by orders of magnitude. I recently had a student asking me about “redlining and FDR” after a zoom meeting (we have to get back to real school. The students are learning so little with this distance learning madness…another issue for another time). We were having a fine discussion and the conversation started heading in different directions and he inquired about BLM and police shootings and oppression and such stuff. At one point I asked him, “What do you think is the percentage of the population of Los Angeles that is black?” He took a moment and said, “Well…there aren’t as many black people in LA as white people…(I thought to myself…ok, he’s at least on the right track there…), I guess that would mean they’re probably around 40% of Los Angeles.” I told him that his reasoning was correct that there are fewer blacks than whites in Los Angeles, but why would he come up with a number like 40%? He said, “Because I see them on TV!” I told him that blacks make up about 8% of Los Angeles and he was CERTAIN that could not be true. I showed him a few links and he was still convinced that there were mistakes.

    This was one of my brighter students. I wish I knew how to break through the megaphone of the narrative. But the narrative definitely has skewed the thinking one direction.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  101. Juvenalis says:
    @Anon

    A smart person doesn’t randomly guess on the SAT. Or at least, didn’t. Only if you were born after 1998 and taking the dumbed-down post-2016 New SAT. Before the 2016 New SAT was introduced in the name of “racial equity”, SAT multiple-choice questions had 5 possible answers, one point for each correct answer bubble filled and a Wrong Answer Penalty subtracting a quarter-point for every incorrect answer bubble filled.

    On pre-2016 SAT, if you took random guesses on 10 questions with 1/5 chance of guessing the correct answer (+1 point), and -1/4 point penalty per wrong answer: statistically you’d expect to get 2 questions right and 8 questions wrong ergo +2 points for the correct answers and [8 wrong answers times -1/4 pt wrong answer penalty]= -2 points for the wrong guesses, yielding 2-2=0 points, your expected value from guessing on all questions.

    So old SAT balanced out risk/reward to minimize blind guessing. You had 20% chance of 1-point reward if you guessed correctly vs. 25%-of-a-point penalty risk if you guessed incorrectly. The odds were against you; if you just filled in answer bubble C on 5 questions when the correct answers were A, B, C, D, E: +1 point from the 1/5 correct answer was canceled out by 4/5 wrong answers equaling -1 point. Only if you had at least some modicum of knowledge about the subject to be able to narrow down to 2-3 answer choices did it make mathematical sense to take an educated guess.

    No longer. The wrong answer penalty was removed. New SAT also only gives 4 answer options per multiple-choice question instead of 5. Now you can guess blindly on every question with 25% probability of scoring 1 correct answer point from each guess—no punishment for wrong guesses.

    2016 New SAT also abolished entirely the racist Writing section—back down to 1600-point scoring scale. 200-800 on each of 2 sections: (I) Evidence-Based Reading, (II) Math—replaced previous 3-section 2400-point scoring scale—800pts each for (I) Critical Reading, (II) Writing, (III) Mathematics.

    Yet all this still not good enough to spare the SAT from George Floyd ‘racial reckoning’—the exam canceled from the new “holistic” college admissions process in California and top universities across America. As a standardized test, SAT is STILL too g-loaded to yield desired “racial equity” outcomes for today’s ‘Woke’ social engineers—it has to go…

    The whole scoring system was redesigned to be more ‘equitable’ all around; test-takers with low-mediocre scores got the greatest artificial boost from scoring inflation.

    College Board official 2016 ‘New SAT to Old SAT Concordance Table’ Score Conversion (and percentile rank among all New SAT test-takers in 2019 vs. all Old SAT test-takers in 2014):

    [MORE]

    New SAT 700/1600 (3%ile) ≈ Old SAT 900/2400 or 600/1600 (2%ile)
    New SAT 750/1600 (6%ile) ≈ Old SAT 980/2400 or 660/1600 (5%ile)
    New SAT 800/1600 (11%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1060/2400 or 710/1600 (8%ile)
    New SAT 850/1600 (18%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1140/2400 or 760/1600 (13%ile)
    New SAT 900/1600 (25%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1210/2400 or 820/1600 (19%ile)
    New SAT 950/1600 (33%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1280/2400 or 870/1600 (26%ile)
    New SAT 1000/1600 (41%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1360/2400 or 920/1600 (35%ile)
    New SAT 1030/1600 (46%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1400/2400 or 950/1600 (40%ile)
    New SAT 1050/1600 (50%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1430/2400 or 970/1600 (43%ile)
    New SAT 1080/1600 (55%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1480/2400 or 1000/1600 (49%ile)
    New SAT 1100/1600 (61%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1510/2400 or 1020/1600 (53%ile)
    New SAT 1130/1600 (64%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1560/2400 or 1060/1600 (59%ile)
    New SAT 1150/1600 (67%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1590/2400 or 1080/1600 (62%ile)
    New SAT 1180/1600 (72%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1640/2400 or 1110/1600 (67%ile)
    New SAT 1200/1600 (74%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1670/2400 or 1130/1600 (70%ile)
    New SAT 1230/1600 (78%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1710/2400 or 1160/1600 (74%ile)
    New SAT 1250/1600 (81%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1750/2400 or 1180/1600 (77%ile)
    New SAT 1280/1600 (84%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1790/2400 or 1210/1600 (81%ile)
    New SAT 1300/1600 (86%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1820/2400 or 1230/1600 (83%ile)
    New SAT 1330/1600 (89%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1870/2400 or 1270/1600 (86%ile)
    New SAT 1350/1600 (90%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1900/2400 or 1290/1600 (88%ile)
    New SAT 1380/1600 (92%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1950/2400 or 1320/1600 (91%ile)
    New SAT 1400/1600 (94%ile) ≈ Old SAT 1990/2400 or 1340/1600 (92%ile)
    New SAT 1450/1600 (97%ile) ≈ Old SAT 2080/2400 or 1400/1600 (96%ile)
    New SAT 1500/1600 (98%ile) ≈ Old SAT 2170/2400 or 1460/1600 (98%ile)
    New SAT 1550/1600 (99%ile) ≈ Old SAT 2280/2400 or 1530/1600 (99%ile)
    New SAT 1590/1600 (>99%ile) ≈ Old SAT 2370/2400 or 1580/1600 (>99%ile)

    Nota Bene: even a perfect 1600/1600 on New SAT is officially equivalent to an imperfect 2390/2400 on Old SAT.

  102. @Anon

    I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average, and smart people figure that multiple choice question answers on average are in the middle of the range. You do this on the SAT, right? the answer is probably not 1 or 5, so you randomly pick 2, 3, or 4. Sometimes it’s 1 or 5, but usually not. This is not recommended for answers that are not scalable, rankable answers in a range. A question like What is the capital of the Netherlands? is just as likely to be 1 or 5 as it is to be 2 or 3 or 4.

    That would be a strategy in making a guess to arrive at a likely wrong answer which is not extreme on either end with regard to something not suffused with political meaning.

    It’s leftist orthodoxy that police hunt down innocent blacks as some expression of the miasmatic legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, and that time Clay Aiken almost beat Ruben Studdard to become The American Idol. Leftists simply don’t want to know that the number of unarmed black men killed by police per annum (and therefore the significance of their tantrum) is so small relative to the 330 Million resident U.S. population as to be statistically negligible.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Rob McX
  103. Truth says:

    You’re a little edgy Steve, you should switch beverages…

    https://twitter.com/WithoutWhy/status/1364058308538208268/photo/1

  104. ic1000 says:
    @AnotherDad

    OT, but decades ago when you and I took the SAT, there was a technique some people close to the left edge of the curve could use. For (say) 100 questions, the answers would be distributed evenly (or nearly so) among A, B, C, D, and E. Perhaps 20-20-19-21-20. So if you could answer about 95 questions with confidence and narrow the other five down to two alternatives each, the distribution would give you a hint (if you were lucky). If question 42 was between A and B, and there were already 20 As and only 18 Bs… probably B. And so on.

    The College Board eventually wised up to that, and I understand they now use a random number table to guide those assignments.

    Seems like the sort of trick Chuck Schumer would have taught his students, back in the day.

  105. @CCZ

    “On average, Americans say that 33% of the U.S. population is black.

    Well, they are very noisy. Plus they tend to be concentrated in visible places (e.g. downtown in major cities). Native Americans on the other hand tend to be tucked out of sight.

    • Replies: @anon
  106. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    Is it in the air, or the water?

    Systemic raycism is wrapped inside of a mystery, inside an enigma, rolled up in white privilege.

  107. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Native Americans on the other hand tend to be tucked out of sight.

    Especially for the last 12 months or so. Some nations essentially cut themselves off in self isolation due to the Coof – blocked roads with barriers, put up tribal checkpoints on the open roads, expanded their food & water distribution, etc. Actually acting like independent nations.

    It’s a sad thing that they have to do this to keep their older members around, but it must be kind of nice in a way to just wall off the rest of the physical world in a real gated community.

    • Agree: Polemos
  108. Rob McX says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Leftists simply don’t want to know that the number of unarmed black men killed by police per annum (and therefore the significance of their tantrum) is so small relative to the 330 Million resident U.S. population as to be statistically negligible.

    Think of just about any kind of freak accident or Darwin-Award-meriting activity, and you can be sure it kills more blacks per annum than the number shot by cops while unarmed – tripping on untied shoelaces, using a toaster while taking a bath, etc.

  109. @Nachum

    As we’ve seen with the Rayshard Brooks case, a drunk, unarmed, strong black man basically man-handled two white police officers. Either of those two officers could have sustained life-threatening injuries if they were thrown to the ground and landed head first. Or if their head smashed into a parked car or truck. And since they wouldn’t of known the outcome of being thrown to the ground, they would be justified, believing that their life was in danger, to use deadly force to defend themselves.

  110. ganderson says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Man Smart, Woman Smarter was a big hit for that old commie, Harry Belafonte, the Dead started doing it in the early 80’s; Dead and Co do it, too: here’s a pretty good GD version:

    The late Robert Palmer did a nice version, too, the backup band being Little Feat:

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  111. This is most likely the tendency not to read the question properly, rather than actually thinking that all victims of police shootings are unarmed.

    People who are interested in data on police shootings tend to know the ‘headline’ number – which is usually somewhat over a thousand a year (all races) – and are less likely to focus on a subset.

    So this reeks of a question specifically designed to exploit that tendency, in order to make it look like respondents are so wrong-headed on the numbers that they are out by an order of magnitude.

    This is also a Sunsteinian ‘nudge’: that if the piggies shot anyone who was armed, then it was a good kill – whether or not the armed victim was actively threatening the piggies, or threatening to add to the minuscule on-the-job mortality risk faced by these scaredy-cat bitch faggots.

    If someone grabs a weapon that they rightfully* own in order to deal with a perceived threat – say, 10 heavily armed fuckwits kicking in their front door in the wee hours of the morning to serve a weed warrant – that doesn’t make it a good shooting… particularly if it’s the wrong address.

    *: rightfully. Not necessarily ‘legally’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  112. @Kylie

    My observation is that much of the UK and Western Europe fails to understand how large the US is and how different its various regions are from one another. To them, the US consists of the acceptably woke and cosmopolitan East and West Coasts and a horrible area in between of gun-toting, black-hating rednecks.

    To them? That’s how woke Americans see the US as well, including the ones who don’t live on the coasts.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  113. Corvinus says:

    “Many people believe that George Floyd died from being restrained rather than from the fentanyl in his bloodstream.”

    And that would be truthful to say, Mr. Sailer. Which is NOT Fake News, as you are cagily inferring.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.amp.html

    Criminologists viewing the tape said the knee restraint not only put dangerous pressure on the back of the neck, but that Mr. Floyd was kept lying on his stomach for too long. The Both positions — the knee on the neck and lying face down — run the risk of cutting off someone’s oxygen supply.

    “Keeping Mr. Floyd in the facedown position with his hands cuffed behind his back is probably what killed him,” said Seth W. Stoughton, a former police officer who studies policing and is a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law. Police training started emphasizing avoiding that prone position about 20 years ago, he said.

    It would also be accurate to say that his death was “caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine, and fentanyl intoxication”.

    It would NOT be accurate for anyone to say the questionable police tactic played a limited or no role in the death.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  114. @Guest007

    lol. As if a hidden or accidental mutation that was released is impossible. smh.

    But please, tell us all how some guy chewing on a bat caused all this—something that has never occurred before, despite human beings trying to eat everything under the sun since the beginning of time.

  115. @anon

    What body cams also show is how uppity and entitled the average black criminal is.

    You witness video after video of smirking thugs, yelling back at the cop, making sarcastic quips, and not bothering to pay attention to direction to clown on the cop, dancing around, acting as if they don’t care, or making quick violent movements (either a rush at the cop, a flashed punch, or a reach for a weapon). None of the killed black thugs are docile and obedient, all act anti-socially, and all have a chip on their shoulder that they are “better” than the cop and that any order or command is some kind of personal insult, that they are above the law.

    Emmitt Till, the tough city thug sent to the country by his family, would’ve fit right in.

    As I’ve said before, in West African big man culture (and West Africa is where American blacks hail from originally), the Big Man’s power is absolute, he can do what he wishes, no one can contradict him, and often mocks or insults those below him in humiliating and childish manners. Many of these thugs are their own local version of a Big Man (running a street corner or a housing complex), and so develop the Big Man mentality that he is in absolute control, so when cops order him around he takes it as an assault on his power that must be assaulted back or mocked as if the cop is a mere underling who will soon be humiliated and made to (literally) lick his shoes.

    Combine that with the contempt blacks are taught to have to the police and whites in general by pretending they are “oppressed”, and whatever drugs the black thugs are on, and it leads to a catastrophic combination of out-of-control ego and illusory power in black thugs.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    , @Polemos
  116. @Corvinus

    lol. And our resident paid troll. Corvy, is still trying to lie and pretend poor St. George Floyd wasn’t killed by his drug overdose. Time for another 500 riots by the BLM-Antifa crowd, eh, little traitor?

  117. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    “Felony murder is what Chauvin is charged with. If someone dies in the course of being feloniously assaulted committed by you then you can be charged with murder.”

    But Floyd was not being feloniously assaulted, he was being lawfully detained.

    He was being detained, yes, but were the restraints used against him lawful? Were some of them not really restraints at all but actually assault and battery?

    • Replies: @sayless
    , @J.Ross
  118. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    If someone grabs a weapon that they rightfully* own in order to deal with a perceived threat – say, 10 heavily armed fuckwits kicking in their front door in the wee hours of the morning to serve a weed warrant – that doesn’t make it a good shooting… particularly if it’s the wrong address.

    Is that what happened in the Breonna Taylor case?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  119. “Many people believe that George Floyd died from being restrained rather than from the fentanyl in his bloodstream.”

    Right, and fentanyl wasn’t the only drug found in Floyd’s system.

    Another way to start a conversation on the Narrative is to bring up Breonna Taylor. Like this…

    “Exactly what did happen to Breonna Taylor?” And also to the jogger Arbery, or Avery, or what’s his surname. And see where it goes.

    If you ask a black adult, the likely standard response will be “They were murdered by racist cops.”– or a variant. You’ll know what political persuasion you’re dealing with if you ask a white person the same question. “Exactly what did happen to Breonna Taylor….and others?”

  120. @G. Poulin

    I think Dreher is really a girl, trying desperately to pass himself off as a man. This would explain everything.

    I can’t be the only one who confuses him with Ross Douthat.

    Esquire would periodically run a feature listing pairs, and sometimes trios, of notables that could be and often were easily confused. Commenters here have done that with Jonathan Haidt and Jonathan Chait.

    • LOL: Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  121. @Dissident799

    The typical, departmental policy indulges the adrenaline junkies.

    As though in a hostage situation, the SWAT team were allowed to storm the building at-will, in complete disregard for the safety of the hostages.

    If the unyielding driver is on some kind of indiscriminate killing spree (e.g. shooting at or running over anything that moves), then it would be justified (life saving) to chase and neutralize him (even if it means sacrificing his passengers).

    Otherwise, the cops should back off and attempt to capture the guy when he’s not jeopardizing innocents.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  122. Kylie says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Yes, of course. Leftist Americans view the US the same way leftists in other countries do–as a morass of ignorance and bigotry not infrequently exploding into violence against their sainted pets.

  123. bomag says:
    @Beckow

    The 20% among the ‘conservatives‘ worries me a lot.

    Twenty percent of respondents to any survey are reliably clueless. I suspect it is a corollary of the Pareto distribution.

  124. Ganderson says:
    @wren

    Exclusive film from Merrick Garland’s confirmation hearings:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  125. @ganderson

    Honestly, Mr. Ganderson, the Dead’s version (at least) way too close to the same song as Aiko Aiko:

  126. Rooster10 says:
    @Guest007

    That’s a great point, most Americans have no clue the amount of people who die on a daily basis. Compounding that is a high number of people who cannot comprehend statistics, it might as well be a foreign language to them. Essentially, a vast swath of the population has no basis for deductive reasoning. The only way they can comprehend what’s going on is by listening to the MSM and believing it like it’s the word of God.

  127. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    Otherwise, the cops should back off and attempt to capture the guy when he’s not jeopardizing innocents.

    That would only encourage more criminals to participate in high speed chases.

  128. J.Ross says:
    @Ganderson

    It sure would be awful if Nazi insurrectionists actually paid attention to Garland’s babbling and did bad things while dressed in Che shirts, but then, if law enforcement wanted to avert that, all they would have to do would be to actually enforce existing law.

  129. @Anon

    I think liberals just pick the middle number if they don’t know because they tend to be smarter than conservatives, on average, and smart people figure that multiple choice question answers on average are in the middle of the range.

    Stupid. The same “just picking the middle number” option would be just as tempting to conservatives. Yet they didn’t do it.

  130. @James Speaks

    You might want to try that again.

  131. @Sean

    If the defence lawyer tries to argue that Floyd died of Fentanyl poisoning then Chauvin will certainly be convicted.

    Why do you believe that?

    • Replies: @Sean
  132. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    If someone dies in the course of being feloniously assaulted committed by you then you can be charged with murder.

    No, the felony murder rule requires a KILLING and not just a death. The accused or his partners in crime have to do something that causes the death of the victim.

    Let’s say the alleged victim has already taken a fatal dose of poison which has not yet kicked in and during this interval you happen to assault him and then the poison kicks in and the victim then keels over and dies. No felony murder. And the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your actions caused the man’s death and not the fatal poison he took earlier. The fatal poison whose presence is revealed in the state’s own autopsy.

    Now keep in mind that fentanyl, above a certain (low) concentration is just such a fatal poison. Around 80,000 Americans die every year of fentanyl (or other opiate) poisonings (aka “overdose”).

    • Replies: @Polemos
  133. @R.G. Camara

    the propaganda trains them not merely to believe lies, but to actually get enraged and defensive when the propaganda is contradicted.

    This is why I no longer even try to debate politics with Progressives. No matter who reasonable they may seem normally, if you question any of their beliefs they go into an emotionally charged state.

    I discuss politics with like-minded friends and even among ourselves we have disagreements, but we’re able to talk about them calmly and rationally.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  134. @DevOps Dad

    No Enemies?

    You have no enemies, you say?
    Alas, my friend, the boast is poor;
    He who has mingled in the fray
    Of duty, that the brave endure,
    Must have made foes! If you have none,
    Small is the work that you have done.
    You’ve hit no traitor on the hip,
    You’ve dashed no cup from perjured lip,
    You’ve never turned the wrong to right,
    You’ve been a coward in the fight.

    ~ Charles MacKay (l814-l889)

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
  135. Sean says:
    @ben tillman

    Intent is not an element of felony murder, meaning the prosecution have framed Chauvin’s charges so as to give less leeway for a jury to acquit, whatever they think about his cause of death. A first class attorney will centre the defence on an issue the jury are going to be deciding on in coming to a verdict: whether Chauvin was committing an assault on Floyd when he died.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  136. sayless says:
    @Anonymous

    George Floyd freaked out when he was put in the squad car and *he asked to be put on the ground*. And yes, the restraints were lawful. If you look you will find photographs of black officers using the knee-over-the-neck tactic with people on the ground. It’s to keep them from thrashing around, which is useful if you’re dealing with an overdosing, hysterical, great big child.

    The police were patient with him.

    Floyd had corona virus, coronary artery disease, diabetes.

    The ambulance was called but the driver lost his way.

    Don’t resist arrest. Even if you’re innocent and you know you’re innocent and you know they eventually will know you’re innocent, don’t resist arrest. It’s a crime.

    And don’t OD. It impairs judgement.

  137. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    No, they were standard and widely used restraints. In the video one of the trainees asks Chauvin about it and Chauvin specifically says “that’s [safety] why we’ve got him in [this position].” This was after many minutes of unrepentant fighting, clear panic, and claims of not being able to breathe from Fentanyl Floyd.

  138. @Forbes

    If the prog-left was actually motivated by human compassion, they’d campaign against guns by addressing suicide.

    In many cases, suicide is the best option a person has. I would say that was true in four of the six suicides of people with whom I was acquainted.

  139. @Reg Cæsar

    Commenters here have done that with Jonathan Haidt and Jonathan Chait.

    I always confuse Stephen Hawking and Screaming’ Jay Hawkins. Also Whit Stillman and Slim Whitman.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. Jack D says:
    @Guest007

    In a normal year there are around 3 million deaths. Covid caused an additional 1/2 million deaths which was a significant bump – enough to trim a full year off of US life expectancy in 2020 and a full 3 years off of the life expectancy of black men. Heart disease and cancer also cause over 1/2 million deaths per year but it’s been a long time since an infectious disease made the top 3.

    • Replies: @Rooster10
  141. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Didn’t know “Little Debbies” were an Upper Midwest thing. Exclusively, I mean. I know Nut Goodies and Salted Nut Rolls are…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  142. Ganderson says:
    @additionalMike

    My observation as well. Probably a staged photo. Very few of the lesbians here in the “lesbian capital of the US “ look like those two.

  143. Ganderson says:
    @Beach Jim

    Just retired from teaching HS after 35 years- your experiences match my own.

  144. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Shot and killed. I used the data source Steve linked.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

    What are the accurate data by race for unarmed shot and killed, and unarmed and killed, with gun or otherwise? I’ve see a lot of different numbers thrown around.

    Here is another data source which breaks police killings down by type of force (and allows downloading their database).
    https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
    Police shootings dominate the police killings statistics.

    That pages focus is on disparities. For example, blacks are 3x as (not “more” as that site says) to be killed by police. If you are familiar with this topic you might know about Roland Fryer, who was a well regarded black professor at Harvard who did research in this area and found no racial differences in police shootings for his model.
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

    He was subsequently me-too’d (just a coincidence I am sure, only racists would think there was a connection with his research).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.#Suspension_from_Harvard

    BTW, here is NPR’s pearl clutching on the topic.
    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/956177021/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-reveal-troubling-patterns

    I think they actually have a point (with the violence, but not the racial focus). What enrages me about this topic is that there is a very real problem in this country with excessive police violence. It should be possible to get a bipartisan consensus about this, but turning it into a race matter makes that impossible.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Anonymous
  145. Rooster10 says:
    @Jack D

    So you are saying overall deaths rose 500,000 from last year… or are you just stating the 500,000 deaths from COVID that the media says? If flu, pneumonia, cancer, respiratory deaths are greatly reduced, but the new category of “COVID deaths” says 500,000… did any more people really die than any other typical year? You also need to take into account a growing population, and the largest generation, boomers, who are starting to die off. Don’t take the 500,000 COVID deaths at face value, it’s a complete lie.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  146. @Achmed E. Newman

    Innumeracy also doubtless explains why so many people are obsessing over COVID deaths and compulsively wearing surgical masks even when driving alone in their cars. Nancy Pelosi orders the flags at the Capitol to be at half-mast to commemorate the (inflated) 500,000 deaths attributed to COVID as if this was some massive number, when the number of people who die in the USA every year is about 2.7 million. This is out of a national population of 330 million.

    Good luck trying to get these hysteriacs to do fractions or percentages. I guess it’s not taught in schools anymore.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jack D
  147. @R.G. Camara

    They even once had a word for this behavior. It was called “signifying”.

  148. @Nachum

    It would be impossible for 2 goyim to support 1 yid. Even the Hasids who take their Talmud seriously mention hundreds of servants per Yid when Moschiach returns.

    The most judified country in modern times was 1930s Poland, which had Jews at 10% of the population. This seems to be the limit that any country can support.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    , @Nachum
  149. @Sean

    Intent is not an element of felony murder, meaning the prosecution have framed Chauvin’s charges so as to give less leeway for a jury to acquit, whatever they think about his cause of death. A first class attorney will centre the defence on an issue the jury are going to be deciding on in coming to a verdict: whether Chauvin was committing an assault on Floyd when he died.

    First, felony murder does require intent; it’s a crime of transferred intent.

    Second, assault is not a felony.

    Third, an arrest is not a crime of any sort.

    Fourth, why would I not argue both (1) Chauvin committed no felony and (2) Chauvin’s (non-felonious) actions did not cause Floyd’s death? Proving either is enough.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Sean
  150. @Nachum

    And gay men think 100% of men are gay, whether they know it or not

  151. @Anonymous

    I don’t think so.

    Taylor’s boyfriend responded to the armed fuckwits and Taylor was shot in the subsequent Rambo-esque over-reaction by the chickenshit-scared ‘roid-boys doing Stormtrooper LARP. That much seems reasonably well-established.

    Slightly more contentious is whether or not the armed fuckwits identified themselves as government fuckwits. That is, if by ‘contentious’ we mean ‘agrees with a half-dozen occupants of surrounding apartments, but disagrees with police reports‘.

    So Taylor’s BF thought the place was being jacked.

    It wasn’t the wrong address, though.

    That actually makes it worse – Taylor’s name was on the warrant, but it wasn’t a warrant for the arrest of a known violent criminal… it was an investigative warrant, but they sent in the chickenshit-scared ‘roid-boy Stormtroopers anyway.

    As I understand it, the actual objective of ‘investigation’ was Taylor’s boyfriend’s use of her address for dropshipping something that the Overlords have decreed that We The Livestock may not consume.

    In a system where absolute cunts pretend they have the moral justification to make such decrees, there will be similarly cunty underlings who think that an investigation like that requires fuckwits to kick in someone’s door in the wee small hours. And there will be similarly cunty BlackRobes who declare that it’s all legitimate. We are past the point where an example must be made of some of these people – pour encourager les autres.

    And all across the internet, there will be soi-disant ‘conservatives’ spewing unsourced (but PD-generated) obloquy about the victims: these are the types of people who would have been neighbourhood stukachi in the Soviet Union.

  152. @res

    What enrages me about this topic is that there is a very real problem in this country with excessive police violence. It should be possible to get a bipartisan consensus about this, but turning it into a race matter makes that impossible.

    Yes, and encouraging the race angle is a deliberate misdirection so that mouth-breathers are completely focused on the wrong target.

    If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t need to worry about answers.

  153. Sean says:
    @ben tillman

    First, felony murder does require intent; it’s a crime of transferred intent.

    There is no transfer because assault is the felony, being one and the same criminal act that the prosecution say resulted in Floyd’s death. They only need to prove intent for the assault to convict Chauvin of murder.

    [W]hy … not argue both (1) Chauvin committed no felony and (2) Chauvin’s (non-felonious) actions did not cause Floyd’s death?

    Because he would be convicted on the most serious charge and spent 30 years in prison? Even an acquittal on all (state) charges will simply result in him being subjected to a more malevolent Federal Civil Rights prosecution than otherwise would be.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  154. Jack D says:
    @Rooster10

    Last year there were 527,000 more deaths in the US than in an average year, so if it wasn’t Covid, SOMETHING was killing a lot of people. 527,000 is even more that the official Covid count so it may be that Covid deaths were actually undercounted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

    You also need to take into account a growing population, and the largest generation, boomers, who are starting to die off.

    These are all small effects but the increase in deaths was MASSIVE – nothing other than Covid can explain them. Look at the graph in the linked article. The data slaps you in the face no matter how much you are in denial.

    • Replies: @Rooster10
  155. Jack D says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Cancer and heart disease kill more people than Covid every year but they have been with us forever while this is a new plague.

    This is one of these is the glass half empty or half full things – it depends on how you look at it. You might say that a 20% increase in mortality (mostly among people who were going to die in the next few years anyway) is no big deal and I might say that a 20% jump in mortality in a single year is VERY serious and usually only seen in wartime.

  156. Anonymous[453] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks a lot. Now I will always confuse them too

  157. Rooster10 says:
    @Jack D

    Oh, The NY Times, now this is serious because we know they only print the truth… and they even have color charts, for extra emphasis! Well there ya have it, the science is settled comrade.

    The US accounts for 4% of the worlds population, yet supposedly has 25% of the COVID deaths… If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Now they say we have vaccines that are 99% effective, for a disease that has a 99.7% survival rate without a vaccine! Imagine that, a disease so deadly you need a test to tell you if you have it or not, and a vaccine so effective they need to threaten you to take it… enjoy your stay in Clown World, honk honk.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  158. Polemos says:
    @AnotherDad

    What do you make of this idea that China and Zionists have been collaborating for a long time to usurp and destroy the United States and the larger Atlanticist groups through greed, envy, lust, hubris. and mendacity, as well as cultural genocide and financial subterfuge?

    Or is it more of an alignment of interests for the moment and for fortune rather than deeper ideological unity?

    Or is it more that neither side coordinates with the other but both profit from USA’s clownfall?

  159. Polemos says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Do the people with non-illusory power — those people whose power is genuine and effectual in this world — act with decorum and civility toward constables or clergy or all the dispossessed far beneath them? What do they do when challenged to act differently by someone far, far beneath them in the power pyramids for heirarchs that they stand upon?

    Do they apologize and change, or do they throw us around in their world-shaking tantrums, too? I hear a long time ago there was a big man who went to war upon Troy over a woman — what was that about or was that normal social behavior?

  160. Polemos says:
    @Jack D

    The accused or his partners in crime have to do something that causes the death of the victim.

    Right. Chauvin had his knee on the guy’s back just at the guy’s neck. He was doing something that causes death: applying a restraint he’s learned and probably seen used by other cops in other similar situations. {Isn’t this how it goes?}

    If he’s not doing something, then we can’t say he’s following policy and others might ask either “Could he have been doing nothing some other place?” or “Then why didn’t he do something to help the man not suffocate to death if he wasn’t doing nothing?”

    I mean, is that where it’s at? The cop dindu nuffin? 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  161. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Thank you.

  162. @Ganderson

    Didn’t know “Little Debbies” were an Upper Midwest thing. Exclusively, I mean.

    No, they’re a Southern thing, but ubiquitous by default in the junk-food desert of the Upper Midwest. We have nothing like Tastykakes or Drake’s Cakes which are enjoyed in the East. Pearson’s is fine, but it’s candy, not baked goods. We lived down the road from the plant.

    I wonder if this is due to the many immigrant ethnicities all having their own customs. When they slowly died out, there were no local big boys to take up the slack. So Little Debbie it is.

    You can still get kringle in the high-end supermarkets.

    • Replies: @ganderson
  163. Sean says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    That ‘Floyd was not being feloniously assaulted’ is what the defense must concentrate on trying to convince the jury of for Chauvin to have any hope of leaving prison before 2040.

    If Chauvin’s lawyers were to try and and argue that Floyd died of Fentanyl poisoning it would be like the way lawyers for Amber Guyger (Texas wrong apartment cop) stupidly tried to bring in the castle defence and saw their client Guyger get convicted of murder by a jury, which in law means it is deemed the killing was not the result of her making any kind of mistake. Yet be it ever so extremely careless a mistake Guyger made, it quite clearly was a mistake nevertheless.

    In Guyger’s case the perverse jury verdict did not increase the sentence and having called it murder may well have made it easier for the court to give her her a lenient sentence for murder(ten years was far less that she could have been given with a manslaughter conviction). But it does show that the jury feels strong pressure to return a murder verdict in BLM-sensitive cases.

    Similarly perverse was that Mohamed Noor the Somali cop was not convicted of murder though he’d deliberately fired at the woman he shot dead; there was intent, which is the element necessary for murder. However in Noor’s case the 12 year sentence was less than he would have got if he’d been convicted of murder. Where Noor’s case is relevant to Chauvin’s is in demonstrating the necessity of not being convicted of murder.

    Guyger’s murder conviction shows how difficult if will be for Chauvin’s lawyers to avoid him being convicted of murder at trial. Were Chauvin to be convicted of murder, he would incur a heavy tariff–get at least 25 years. His defence wasting effort trying to prove Floyd died of Fentanyl poisoning would be playing into the prosecution’s hands and a very bad strategy.

  164. Nachum says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Israel’s at 75%. Doing OK.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  165. @Sean

    Why … not argue both (1) Chauvin committed no felony and (2) Chauvin’s (non-felonious) actions did not cause Floyd’s death?

    Because he would be convicted on the most serious charge and spent 30 years in prison? Even an acquittal on all (state) charges will simply result in him being subjected to a more malevolent Federal Civil Rights prosecution than otherwise would be.

    You didn’t answer the question. Why not argue both?

    • Replies: @anon
  166. Guest007 says:
    @Rooster10

    The death rate from Covid-19 is around 2.5% due to 518k deaths and 19.3 million recovered according to Wordometer on Feb 25 2021. Also, for every death there are around 2 people who were admitted to a hospital but survived. That means around 1.5 million people were admitted to a hospital due to Covid-19. Also, around 1.3 of the people who had symptoms report having long term health effects.

    Anyone who is trying to minize the health impacts of the pandemic is an idiot.

    Yes, there is a massive amount of missing data when comparing countries. Outside of western Europe, no countries data is worth very much. It is obvious that Mexico is not testing enough due to only have 2 million cases but 210k deaths. Whereas, Russia is obviously lying about deahts due to having 4.2 million cases with 80k deaths. Does anyone believe that healthcare is Russia is that good?

  167. Sean says:

    If Chauvin’s actions towards Floyd were non felonious then, it would not matter if he killed Floyd.

    If he had caused Floyd’s death without committing a felony, then Chauvin would not have been in any trouble.

    The essential point is whether Chauvin committed a felony. That is what the jury will be deciding.

  168. @Nachum

    With billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayers propping them up, any parasite would do okay.

  169. ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There used to be something called “Jacobson’s Toast”, which as far as I can remember, originated at Jacobson’s Bakery on Payne Avenue- my grandma used to go to Jacobson’s to speak Swedish- my farfar had made a “no Swedish in the house rule”, so she had to go to Payne Ave to “prata svenska.”

    It was a thick, crusty, almost stale bread with lots of sugar and cinnamon. I think grocery stores carried it, too.

    My dad used to bring my mom a Nut Goodie once week. She never had the heart to tell him, and he went to his grave not knowing, that she hated Nut Goodies!

  170. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Why … not argue both (1) Chauvin committed no felony and (2) Chauvin’s (non-felonious) actions did not cause Floyd’s death?

    You didn’t answer the question. Why not argue both?

    Arguing (2) undercuts the credibility and force of argument (1). “Even if Chauvin intended to harm Floyd…” It gets too cute.

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