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Here’s an article I wrote on the evening of September 11, 2001:

Bush had called for laxer airport security

by Steve Sailer

UPI, September 11, 2001

LOS ANGELES, Sep. 11 — Ironically, in an attempt to appeal to the growing number of Arab-American and Muslim voters, exactly eleven months ago George W. Bush called for weakening airport security procedures aimed at deterring hijackers.

On Oct. 11, 2000, during the second presidential debate, the Republican candidate attacked two anti-terrorist policies that had long irritated Arab citizens of the U.S.

At present [i.e., the evening of 9/11], of course, there is no definite evidence that Arabs or Muslims were involved in today’s terrorist assaults. Many incorrectly assumed after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that Middle Easterners were involved. Nor is there direct evidence that Bush’s attack on airline safety procedures made the four simultaneous hijackings easier to pull off.

Bush said during the nationally televised debate, “Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what’s called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that.” Then-Governor Bush went on, “My friend, Sen. Spence Abraham [the Arab-American Republic Senator from Michigan], is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect. So racial profiling isn’t just an issue at the local police forces. It’s an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we’re going to have to deal with it more and more.”

Bush’s plug for Senator Abraham was intended to help Abraham in close re-election battle, which he ultimately lost. (Abraham is now the Bush Administration’s Secretary of Energy.) More important personally to Bush was the swing state of Michigan’s 18 electoral votes, which Al Gore eventually won narrowly. Arab-Americans, centered in Dearborn and Flint, make up about four percent of the population of Michigan, the most of any state.

In the debate, Bush conflated two separate policies that Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans felt discriminate against them: the heightened suspicions faced by Middle Eastern-looking travelers at airport security checkpoints and the government’s use of “secret evidence” in immigration hearings of suspected terrorists. Yet, despite Bush’s confusion, Arab-Americans appreciated his gesture. Four days after the debate, the Arab-American Political Action Committee endorsed Bush.

The day after Bush’s remarks, 17 American sailors died in a terrorist attack in the Arab nation of Yemen. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, however, did not stop Vice President Al Gore from echoing Bush’s calls to end these two anti-terrorist techniques in a meeting with Arab-American leaders on October 14, 2000.

According to a spokesperson for a leading Arab-American organization, people of Arab descent are stopped and searched at airports more often than many other ethnic groups. Some refer to this as Flying While Arab or Flying While Muslim. These terms are intended as plays on the popular phrase “Driving While Black,” which is widely used to criticize police departments for stopping more black than white motorists.

This year, both Bush and his Attorney General John Ashcroft have called for an end to racial profiling.

The Federal Aviation Administration provides airline and airport personnel with the Computer-Assisted Passenger Prescreening system to help them identify suspicious travelers. It relies on a secret profile of the characteristics of typical hijackers and terrorists.

Bush’s Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta has said that “the security procedures are not based on the race, ethnicity, religion or gender of passengers” Yet, the system is widely believed to use other information – such as whether the traveler is going to or coming from the Middle East – that tends to “disparately impact” Arab and Muslims.

None of the ethnic rights groups, however, has offered any data to dispute the widespread assumption that in the three decades since the Palestine Liberation Organization invented skyjacking, a disproportionate number of hijackers and plane bombers have had Middle Eastern ties.

Nonetheless, the Bush Administration publicly agrees with the civil rights organizations that even a nonracial airport profiling system that had merely a disparate impact on Arabs and Muslims would be objectionable. Secretary Mineta said, “We also want to assure that in practice, the system does not disproportionately select members of any particular minority group.” Of course, if Arabs and Muslims are disproportionately more likely to hijack airliners, and the profiling system does not end up disproportionately targeting them, then the system wouldn’t work very well at preventing hijackings.

To ensure that no disparate impact is occurring, the Bush Administration carried out in June a three-week study, first planned by the Clinton Administration, of whether or not profiling at the Detroit airport disparately impacts Arabs.

The results of the study have not been released. Nor is it known whether the secret profiles have been relaxed – they are kept secret in order to keep hijackers guessing.

However, on June 6th Attorney General Ashcroft told Congress, “We want the right training, we want the right kind of discipline, we want the right kind of detection measures and the right kind of remediation measures, because racial profiling doesn’t belong in the federal government’s operational arsenal.”

Besides airport profiling, Arab-American activists long demanded the repeal of the “secret evidence” section of the 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act. To prevent terrorist gangs from murdering U.S. government secret informants, this law allows the government to provide evidence from unidentified moles in the immigration hearings of foreigners suspected of terrorist links. The government has deported or detained a number of Arabs hoping to immigrate to the U.S. due to testimony by witnesses they were never allowed to confront.

Although Abraham’s bill repealing the use of secret evidence died in 2000, during his confirmation hearing, Ashcroft endorsed the ban on secret evidence. He told Congress in June that the Bush Administration has not used secret evidence.

As the practice has come under increasing attack, the number of Arab immigrants detained on secret evidence has dropped sharply. Hussein Ibish of the American Arab Anti-discrimination Committee told UPI in June, “Two years ago there were 25 in prison,” he said. “Now we’re down to only one.”

Five years later I followed up on what we’d since learned about anti-discrimination political correctness vs. airport security:

Political correctness saved Mohammed Atta (and doomed thousands)

September 14, 2006

It was not until 2005 that Michael Tuohey surfaced. He was the veteran U.S. Air ticket agent in Portland, ME who checked in Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 19 9/11 terrorists, and a companion on the first leg of their trip that ended in the World Trade Center. Tuohey was interviewed by Oprah Winfrey:

Michael Tuohey was going to work like he had for 37 years, but little did he know that this day would change his life forever. On September 11, 2001, Tuohey, a ticket agent for U.S. Airways, checked in terrorist Mohammed Atta for a flight that started a chain of events that would change history.

Tuohey was working the U.S. Airways first-class check-in desk when two men, Atta and his companion Abdul Azziz-Alomari, approached his counter. From all outward appearances, the men seemed to be normal businessmen, but Tuohey felt something was wrong.

“I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap…I thought, ‘My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.’

Tuohey also told David Hench of the Portland Press Herald:

Then his eyes locked on Atta.

“It just sent chills through you. You see his picture in the paper (now). You see more life in that picture than there is in flesh and blood,” Tuohey said.

Then Tuohey went through an internal debate that still haunts him.

“I said to myself, ‘If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.’ Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said. “You’ve checked in hundreds of Arabs and Hindus and Sikhs, and you’ve never done that. I felt kind of embarrassed.”

It wasn’t just Atta’s demeanor that caught Tuohey’s attention.

“When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual,” he said. “I guess they’re not coming back. Maybe this is the end of their trip.”

The massive issue that has remained almost unexplored over the last five years is whether the Bush Administration’s campaign against racial profiling of Arab airline passengers, first announced by George W. Bush in his second debate with Al Gore on 10/11/00, contributed, directly or indirectly, to the various airport personnel refusing to act on their natural suspicions of the 19 Arab terrorists.

 
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  1. Russia did 9/11.

    This entire website is a front for Russia.

    • LOL: Cato, SteveRogers42
    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Anonymous

    https://i.ibb.co/7CKwHXg/Capture-2021-09-09-22-12-16-2.png

    https://m.imdb.com/video/vi4000187673?playlistId=tt0060921

    , @tyrone
    @Anonymous

    OK ,I am now pushing the idiot alert button.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Anonymous

    The planes hit their targets, so the pilots weren’t drunk, therefore probably not Russian.

  2. But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don’t think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons – as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @epebble

    There was no TSA back then.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @AndrewR
    @epebble

    Maybe a ticket agent could mark a passenger for extra screening. Would it have stopped Atta? Who knows?

    , @bomag
    @epebble


    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done?
     
    I suppose there were formal and informal channels that would trigger a more serious response. I believe Atta was on some kind of no-fly list of the day.

    Such events trigger plenty of hindsight regrets. But there is a path independence to historical outcomes. Our elites are anxious to cram Islam et al down our throats, so such things get baked in. Our whole immigration fetish is sort of a slow rolling 9/11 attack.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Prester John
    @epebble

    There was exactly nothing that he could have done. He was like the proverbial canary in the coal mine that caught a whiff of something lethal.

    , @res
    @epebble

    Ticket agents used to have some screening responsibility (not sure about current reality). Here is an excerpt from a 1998 piece on airport security.
    https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=438734


    Another type of screener is the air carrier's ticket agent. The FAA places no specific standard requirement on ticket agents other than the required pre-employment access investigations and SIDA training. However, the FAA mandates verbal screening of all domestic and international passengers on baggage packing, baggage ownership, and baggage security by ticket agents. [Ref. 23:p.88] Without specialized training to perform this task effectively, it appears that ticket agents are ill prepared and ineffective in detecting passengers requiring heightened scrutiny. It can be assumed that without specialized training the possibility of a breach is heightened especially when dealing with cantankerous travelers who have been standing in long lines and are eager to be processed and allowed access to their flight. Under these conditions, ticket agents can be expected to respond by reducing thorough screening in order to maximize passenger throughput.

    An example of an effective screening system is utilized by El Al Airlines of Israel. Unlike the U.S. and Europe, El Al devotes highly specialized security agents specifically to screening passengers, thus allowing ticket agents to concentrate on their primary task-accommodating passengers. El Al security agents are versed in identifying suggestive signs of lying, such as eye and body language. [Ref. 23:p.88]
     

  3. Can’t we just use all that facial recognition and AI jazz the Pentagon finances to come up with a
    TERRORIST/ NON-TERRORIST indicator sign that the TSA could use at the airport?

    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Joe Stalin


    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!
     
    We will, almost certainly. And to present an unpopular opinion: it might be a very good thing. Get all of those who want to sabotage our civilization under surveillance. Not just Muslims but also other fringe ethnics and prison graduates.

    And who would we buy it from but the Chinese? More smart people than any other country, and more focus on maintaining public order than any other country.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Lockean Proviso

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin


    Can’t we just use all that facial recognition and AI jazz the Pentagon finances to come up with a TERRORIST/ NON-TERRORIST indicator sign that the TSA could use at the airport?
     
    It's not hard to figure out. The terrorists are the guys in blue shirts feeling you up and stealing your stuff.
  4. Luckily the pundit superhero Paul Krugman comes in to let all of us plebs know that the real threat to us all has been homegrown all along…

    ‘Foreign Terrorists Have Never Been Our Biggest Threat”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/opinion/foreign-terrorists-domestic-extremists.html

    Forget all of the Americans from the lowly Southern and Midwest regions who volunteered for the nation’s defense, or the grossly overrepresented numbers of those they like to call deplorables in the actual combat positions. None of that matters. Not that it never really did to the gilded class of journalists gracing us with their presence after 9/11. Supporting the troops was always a flag pin on a suit, or maybe a quick afterthought, a word at the end of a newscast.

    But now it is time for a new threat, a new enemy to focus on. With all of the cheering and champagne bottles opened after the last census results, the opportunity is too good to pass up. They
    Hate us. Now the demonization can come out into the light.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @ArthurinCali


    ‘Foreign Terrorists Have Never Been Our Biggest Threat”
     
    Well Krugman's certainly right about that.

    But I don't think his "Our" and my "our" are the same people.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  5. You were so much more Sailery in those days.

  6. UPI was the best of the wire services, when there was such a thing, and when news media held themselves to standards of integrity.

  7. “When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual.”

    Paying $2500 for a one-way seat on Allegheny-Piedmont, even if first class, is suspicious in itself. That’s $3856 today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    He noted it was unusual. Our trillion dollar security apparatus was still defending Germany from a Soviet tank attack or something.

    , @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    No one pays more for an airline ticket than the airline (or the scalper) demands. Four grand for NYC to L.A. in first class doesn't strike me as terribly unusual, especially if the ticket is purchased on short notice. You seem to be implying that airlines should prevent a passenger from flying if the passenger is willing to pay an arbitrarily large amount money for a ticket. This doesn't seem like a great business model to me.

    I'm also not sure if (or why) an airline employee at a check-in desk would be able to see how much a passenger had previously paid for a ticket. The "need-to-know" aspect of such information for someone like Tuohey is entirely unknown to me.

  8. @Anonymous
    Russia did 9/11.

    This entire website is a front for Russia.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @tyrone, @Ian Smith

  9. • Replies: @SMK
    @Dr. X

    With Republicans like George W. Bush -'diversity is our strength" and Islam is a "religion of peace" and other lies and hallucinations- who needs left-wing Democrats? Blessedly, the lackluster presidency of George H.W. and the disastrous presidency of George W. saved us from Jeb. And, just as blessedly, no Bush or Romney or McCain will ever be President again or even the Republican nominee. And because of them and their ilk in alliance with the left and Democrats, we'll soon live in a country in which no Republican will ever be President again and the Democrats will control the Senate and House forever with ever-increasing and increasingly nonwhite majorities: a radical left-wing one-party dystopia/dictatorship.

  10. It wouldn’t have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn’t have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bragadocious


    It wouldn’t have made a difference.
     

    The knives they had were all allowed.
     
    ...which wouldn't have made a difference in something that should have been back page news, if Americans hadn't have been disarmed! Just a few armed Americans would have changed this from an event defining America as a target to one defining America as the last bastion of freedom.

    Just imagine the bitching from the rest of the world that, "those damn Americans, some guys shot some poor Moslems on commercial airliners", in the meantime being jealous they they didn't have the freedom to defend themselves. None of us do.

    Besides the point Steve and Ragno make here that the immigration stupidity should have been ended, the stupidity of disarming people on airliners should have ended. Instead, for both, the stupidity level was turned up to eleven.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Bragadocious


    It wouldn’t have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.
     
    Ryan Dawson alleged that some of the hijackers had big knives (like Bowie knives) and pepper-spray (perhaps even a gun or two, I can't remember) that had been pre-positioned on the planes by members of the ramp crews.
    , @J.Ross
    @Bragadocious

    Agree, and now we have, at GOP insistence, a rash of unvetted untested Afghans who will surely -- aaaaaaand there's an active shooter at Wright-Patterson.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Bragadocious


    The real issue is they shouldn’t have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

     

    Recall London’s Muslim mayor: terrorism is “part and parcel” of living in a big city. And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo - arguably the world’s largest city - had in the last 30 years or so?

    It’s not like people in ‘terrorist’ countries are building stealth bombers or intercontinental missiles. Good fences and all that.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Billy Corr
    @Bragadocious

    TASK:

    Board a plane with no suspicious item.

    Then use whatever you can find in the galleys and elsewhere to improvise weapons.

    McIver could do it in two minutes.

    Easy.

    , @SMK
    @Bragadocious

    Why are there Muslims, any Muslims, with a few rare exceptions, in the U.S. Canads, the UK, the nations of Western Europe, Australia and New Zeeland? No Muslims, as citizens or immigrants, legal or illegal (finish the wall, which should have been built decades ago), no 9-11 and other acts of Muslim terrorism, major or "minor," no pandemic of rapes and gang-rapes in the Uk and the nations of Western Europe.

    How do Muslims, any Muslims, enrich and improve the "quality of life" in such nations and cultures in any respect? The presence and impact of millions and millions and ultimately tens of millions of Muslims due to their vastly higher birthraptes, overwhelmingly young males of peak criminal age, is entirely malignant, and ultimately nation-destroying in the UK and France and Sweden and other nations without an end to Muslim immigration and massive deportations.

    If immigration from North Africa and the Middle-East is necessary, for any reasons (a labor shortage and white birthrates below the replacemtn level), why not just admit females, nearly all girls and young women -who, if they marry and have children, will have no choice but to marry European males, and few of their children will be raised as Muslims as they won't have Mosques to attend and Imans to indoctrinate them or interacdtions of older Islmaic men.

  11. After I got over the total shock and managed to get a call through 18 hours later – I’d been out of town when Allah’s Boys struck (while Menachem’s Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing) – I remember thinking out loud to nobody in particular “It’s unbelievable they let it come to this, but at least we’ll finally close the barn door on third-world immigration”. It never occurred to me that I was thinking anything hateful or troglodytic or controversial in any way, because I knew hundreds of millions of people were saying and believing the same thing – and the shit-talkers in Washington wouldn’t dare to feign sudden deafness on the matter. Not after this bloody atrocity.

    It’s not that I kept harping on that “immigration” point, buttonholing total strangers into rants on the topic or making a nuisance of myself. There was enough shock and horror to keep everybody occupied for weeks: no need at all to shout something that everybody, rich or poor, white or Oppressed, already knew and believed like they knew that water is wet.

    It was only after, in the ensuing months, when a purportedly-‘conservative’ government seemed to be operating from a playbook whose first bullet-point was RESOLVED: there must be no interruption in the tidal wave of third-world immigrants who don’t look like us, think like us, talk like us or even like us period that my inner Alex Jones awakened like Cthulhu after a Great Old Ones bachelor party.

    Shortly after that, the PNAC Report was made public…..and after that – as the black chappies might put it – Ah b’in a Nine ‘Lebben troofer ever since’t.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Ragno


    I’d been out of town when Allah’s Boys struck (while Menachem’s Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing)...
     
    Got a vid of that?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Ragno

  12. @Reg Cæsar

    "When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual."
     
    Paying $2500 for a one-way seat on Allegheny-Piedmont, even if first class, is suspicious in itself. That's $3856 today.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    He noted it was unusual. Our trillion dollar security apparatus was still defending Germany from a Soviet tank attack or something.

  13. That was a very bad day for America. But the 20 years that followed, with money for nothin’ and chicks for free pales it in comparison. Everyone makes mistakes, but compounded error, with greed and malice, is not forgiven.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    The George W. Bush presidency was a total, unmitigated disaster for the USA.

    9/11 at the beginning.
    Katrina in the middle

    And the MMM at the end.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Charles Pewitt

  14. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    i still haven’t heard anyone other than me explain the difference between 9/11 and “strategic bombing” of japan and germany.

    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan? why did its 2,500 killed require that hundreds of thousands of japanese be incinerated?

    maybe we’re the baddies?

    meanwhile what steve should be covering is britain’s thought police. this actually does deserve a nuking and/or firebombing.

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-league/3624559/fan-racial-abuse-england-euro-2020/

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @anon


    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan?
     
    As opposed to what?

    Replies: @anon

    , @Old Prude
    @anon

    Re interning Japanese, I will note the Japanese empire was crushed after only four years. Maybe if we got serious in 2001 and deported muslim visitors, stopped al lmuslim immigration and monitored and circumscribed the activities of what muslims remained, we could have gone onto other business after four years (without need to invade, bomb and occupied all the third-world crap-holes).

    Here we are twenty years later shuffling beltless through full body scanners. Not a serious country.

    , @Old Prude
    @anon

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn't going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn't serious.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar

  15. Secret evidence: The new due process.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @Abolish_public_education


    Secret evidence: The new due process.
     
    Foreigners have no right to enter the country.
  16. “TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons – as has been repeatedly demonstrated.”

    Much less. A 1995 study, for example, placed the failure rate at 95%. The percent caught has recently improved. It has tripled. It is still laughable. I guess the idea is deterrence. The failures are quite ridiculous. This is not like a spy movie where the bad guy has a hollowed-out object machined by a European master craftsman. For example, government agents posing as passengers had explosives taped to their backs, were patted-down, and then waved through.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    SafeNow, John Derbyshire gave some information about this in one of his posts/articles/podcasts on VDare which I didn't get to comment on on unz.

    While at a small airport in Michigan a few years back, I found a 2-page TSA paper flyer with the stats on guns found on passengers. It was 2 pages for incidents around the country over the previous week (about 50 or so). About half were loaded guns, and 2 or 3 had rounds in the chamber. These are the ones they find, keep in mind.

    Now, this doesn't concern me one iota, as I think the more weapons Americans have on them, the better, and the TSA* is part of the new Police State - no free country has a "Department of Motherland Security" or whatever it is.

    A friend of mine accidentally brought his Glock .40 to the hub airport one time. (I won't say which.) Believe it or not, he didn't even miss his flight on the ski trip. He did have to go talk to the airport cops for a while. He never got his gun back, which is BS. You want to fine someone an amount more than the price of that gun, fine. However, his property should have been returned. A few months later, I was chatting with some guy who was a bigger shot at the TSA. I brought up that incident and told the guy "but don't you guys worry, he's got 40 more guns at home."

    .

    * That is, as much as I am a friendly basis with some of the individuals - it shouldn't exist.

  17. @epebble
    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don't think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons - as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Prester John, @res

    There was no TSA back then.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @ScarletNumber

    I was not time travelling! I was making a statement that if Atta wanted to reenact his deed, and he is determined, he would likely be successful today.

  18. @Joe Stalin
    Can't we just use all that facial recognition and AI jazz the Pentagon finances to come up with a
    TERRORIST/ NON-TERRORIST indicator sign that the TSA could use at the airport?

    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!

    Replies: @Cato, @Mr. Anon

    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!

    We will, almost certainly. And to present an unpopular opinion: it might be a very good thing. Get all of those who want to sabotage our civilization under surveillance. Not just Muslims but also other fringe ethnics and prison graduates.

    And who would we buy it from but the Chinese? More smart people than any other country, and more focus on maintaining public order than any other country.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Cato

    However the only implementation possible in this world would be to persecute whites. You know perfectly well that no Muslims nor fringe ethnics would be so much as listed. Your idea is bad in many ways but the worst is the certainty of failure.

    Replies: @Cato

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Cato

    Of course, mass surveillance technology would never be used against political enemies of the uniparty. Some may worry that too much reading and commenting on unz and vdare would lead to being put on a no-fly list (and other lists too), but we know the current no-fly list is never abused and easily corrected through transparent accountability and due process.

  19. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    It wouldn’t have made a difference.

    The knives they had were all allowed.

    …which wouldn’t have made a difference in something that should have been back page news, if Americans hadn’t have been disarmed! Just a few armed Americans would have changed this from an event defining America as a target to one defining America as the last bastion of freedom.

    Just imagine the bitching from the rest of the world that, “those damn Americans, some guys shot some poor Moslems on commercial airliners”, in the meantime being jealous they they didn’t have the freedom to defend themselves. None of us do.

    Besides the point Steve and Ragno make here that the immigration stupidity should have been ended, the stupidity of disarming people on airliners should have ended. Instead, for both, the stupidity level was turned up to eleven.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A shootout on an airliner at cruising altitude would probably be a lose/lose proposition.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  20. @SafeNow
    “TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons – as has been repeatedly demonstrated.”

    Much less. A 1995 study, for example, placed the failure rate at 95%. The percent caught has recently improved. It has tripled. It is still laughable. I guess the idea is deterrence. The failures are quite ridiculous. This is not like a spy movie where the bad guy has a hollowed-out object machined by a European master craftsman. For example, government agents posing as passengers had explosives taped to their backs, were patted-down, and then waved through.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    SafeNow, John Derbyshire gave some information about this in one of his posts/articles/podcasts on VDare which I didn’t get to comment on on unz.

    While at a small airport in Michigan a few years back, I found a 2-page TSA paper flyer with the stats on guns found on passengers. It was 2 pages for incidents around the country over the previous week (about 50 or so). About half were loaded guns, and 2 or 3 had rounds in the chamber. These are the ones they find, keep in mind.

    Now, this doesn’t concern me one iota, as I think the more weapons Americans have on them, the better, and the TSA* is part of the new Police State – no free country has a “Department of Motherland Security” or whatever it is.

    A friend of mine accidentally brought his Glock .40 to the hub airport one time. (I won’t say which.) Believe it or not, he didn’t even miss his flight on the ski trip. He did have to go talk to the airport cops for a while. He never got his gun back, which is BS. You want to fine someone an amount more than the price of that gun, fine. However, his property should have been returned. A few months later, I was chatting with some guy who was a bigger shot at the TSA. I brought up that incident and told the guy “but don’t you guys worry, he’s got 40 more guns at home.”

    .

    * That is, as much as I am a friendly basis with some of the individuals – it shouldn’t exist.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  21. @Joe Stalin
    Can't we just use all that facial recognition and AI jazz the Pentagon finances to come up with a
    TERRORIST/ NON-TERRORIST indicator sign that the TSA could use at the airport?

    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!

    Replies: @Cato, @Mr. Anon

    Can’t we just use all that facial recognition and AI jazz the Pentagon finances to come up with a TERRORIST/ NON-TERRORIST indicator sign that the TSA could use at the airport?

    It’s not hard to figure out. The terrorists are the guys in blue shirts feeling you up and stealing your stuff.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  22. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    It wouldn’t have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    Ryan Dawson alleged that some of the hijackers had big knives (like Bowie knives) and pepper-spray (perhaps even a gun or two, I can’t remember) that had been pre-positioned on the planes by members of the ramp crews.

  23. The Bushes were always people adept at deflating any enthusiasm you might experience.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    The Bidens are giving them a run for the money.



    A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well.

    https://vocaroo.com/15uRmd5Ji6O3

    Replies: @Kylie

  24. @ScarletNumber
    @epebble

    There was no TSA back then.

    Replies: @epebble

    I was not time travelling! I was making a statement that if Atta wanted to reenact his deed, and he is determined, he would likely be successful today.

  25. That guy is BSing. Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy. Nothing stands out.

    He just made it up afterward.

    • Agree: Art Deco
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Agreed. He sounds like some menopausal lady detective from an Agatha Christie novel or Angela Lansbury ep.
    "I first suspected the cad when I noticed he was sporting a signet ring on his thumb and therefore could not be a Proper Gentleman", or other typical "intuitive" female silliness.

    , @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'd believe he noticed these chaps had odd travel plans. The rest of his account is fishy.

    , @Bill B.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't think you are being fair. Atta was a sociopath with a "dead" look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.


    The German family he stayed with while IIRC studying in Hamburg said he was very unpleasant and creepy. They asked him to move out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  26. @ArthurinCali
    Luckily the pundit superhero Paul Krugman comes in to let all of us plebs know that the real threat to us all has been homegrown all along...

    'Foreign Terrorists Have Never Been Our Biggest Threat"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/opinion/foreign-terrorists-domestic-extremists.html


    Forget all of the Americans from the lowly Southern and Midwest regions who volunteered for the nation's defense, or the grossly overrepresented numbers of those they like to call deplorables in the actual combat positions. None of that matters. Not that it never really did to the gilded class of journalists gracing us with their presence after 9/11. Supporting the troops was always a flag pin on a suit, or maybe a quick afterthought, a word at the end of a newscast.

    But now it is time for a new threat, a new enemy to focus on. With all of the cheering and champagne bottles opened after the last census results, the opportunity is too good to pass up. They
    Hate us. Now the demonization can come out into the light.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    ‘Foreign Terrorists Have Never Been Our Biggest Threat”

    Well Krugman’s certainly right about that.

    But I don’t think his “Our” and my “our” are the same people.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    As much as I love my mother tongue, English, it certainly lacks some useful linguistic features, like clusivity.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusivity

    In English, Krugman can say things like "foreign terrorists have never been our biggest threat" or "diversity is our greatest strength" without explicitly lying, because he implicitly is excluding the goyim from his claims. In many other languages, he would either have to be honest about whom his "our" includes, or he would have to blatantly lie. While he and his fellow travellers do tell blatant lies very often, lying takes a psychological toll on even the most sociopathic people, if for no other reason than the fact that they have to keep their lies straight.

  27. In the summer of 2001, Bush was given ample warnings (by the Intel agencies) that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Bush ignored these warnings repeatedly.

    911 happened not because of political correctness. It happened because of Bush&Cheney being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.

    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.

    Bush’s “War on Terror” has killed many millions of Arabs. Say what you want about the man, but he’s definitely not politically correct toward Arabs.

    Bush took a one-month (!!!) vacation in the summer of 2001, right before 911. Imagine if he had been at work instead. How exactly does a president take that many days off? Unbelievable.

    TLDR: Bush is not PC, but he’s lazy&stupid. Ignoring ample intel warnings about an imminent terrorist attack (during the summer of 2001) enabled 911 to happen.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Imagine if Clinton had spent more time working on the security of the nation rather than diddling around with interns and wasting everybody's time lying about it.

    CIA briefing? Ha! Sorry, the Chimp was right about that: No actionable info; Just covering their own asses. The only thing useful he could have done with that briefing was wipe his rear-end with it.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Johnny two points:
    -- President's don't have that sort off managerial control over the permanent bureaucracy. Especially after Trump's presidency, that should be clear.
    -- Bush was yet another fungus upon America, but the rot is way, way deeper.

    The Bush presidency was all of 8 months old. 90% of the prep for 911 was under the Clinton. Especially the sort of very specific actionable stuff--like the terrorists going to flight school and having no interest in learning to land, which instructors reported to the authorities, which actually gave you their names... but resulted in ... nothing. This while bin Laden was building his charge sheet against America--Israel obviously, but everything from US soldiers in Saudi Arabia to the Reconquista--and sponsoring progressively more aggressive attacks. Clinton did nothing substantive to stop any of this.


    No the disease here is--as with 99.44% of what ails us--is minoritarianism.

    Turns out precious "diversity" is not a strength, but a source of contention and conflict. But who could know that? What evidence is there for that ... aside from all of human history?

    And while "immigration"--beyond settling your own people after conquest--is stupid on its face, and the US hasn't needed immigrants--if it ever "needed" any--since the Frontier closed in the 1880s, Muslims are a particularly bad choice as Islam and Western Christendom have been contending civilizations for the last 1000+ years.

    But if a politician said simple true things, like "America is an offshoot of Britain, part of Western Christen civilization. People belong in their own civilizations with their own people. We don't need any immigrants and particularly don't want Muslims who are from a different and contending/hostile civilization.", the ADL, the SPLC, all the assorted media huffers and puffers would scream "racist!", "islamophobe!", "xenophobe!", "anti-Semite!", "Nazi!". (Their names for people who still have some connection to human realities.)

    That's your problem. That's why we had 911. The minoritarian ideology is dominant.
    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One simple thing could have stopped 9/11:

    The Israelis, long before 9/11, installed reinforced and locked cabin doors on El Al planes. Their pilots were under strict instructions never to open those doors no matter what was happening in the back. A reinforced locked door with the instruction never to open alone would have stopped 9/11. My understanding is this very simple, completely obvious, security measure was never adopted due to the cost of the new doors. The airlines nor the government wanted to pay. We preferred to spend our billions and trillions defending Germany against that Soviet tank attack.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  28. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    Agree, and now we have, at GOP insistence, a rash of unvetted untested Afghans who will surely — aaaaaaand there’s an active shooter at Wright-Patterson.

  29. @Cato
    @Joe Stalin


    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!
     
    We will, almost certainly. And to present an unpopular opinion: it might be a very good thing. Get all of those who want to sabotage our civilization under surveillance. Not just Muslims but also other fringe ethnics and prison graduates.

    And who would we buy it from but the Chinese? More smart people than any other country, and more focus on maintaining public order than any other country.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Lockean Proviso

    However the only implementation possible in this world would be to persecute whites. You know perfectly well that no Muslims nor fringe ethnics would be so much as listed. Your idea is bad in many ways but the worst is the certainty of failure.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @J.Ross

    You point out what perhaps is the most important political question of our times: when the state is given the tools and power to maintain public order (which even Adam Smith acknowledged as a legitimate role for the state), how do we ensure that the politicians and bureaucrats carry out their tasks in the broadest public interest? If you have ideas about this, it might be worthwhile to blog them out to the rest of us.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  30. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing that I always remember about 9/11 is that, a short time previous, one Bob Bartley who happened to be editor of the WSJ rather pompously pontificated in bombastic pseudo biblical language an new amendment to the “Constitution of the United States”. ” There Shall be no Borders!” the great man thundered from on high. Of course, this fully accorded with neo liberal neo con zeitgeist of the time, and it seemed to be a mere matter of time before the political fools actually enacted this madness and earned their requisite brownie points from the ‘smart and pompous’, no doubt jumping in the air, clicking their heels and (anally) emitting small parcels of wind in triumph. Oh! such “clever” men!

    This stentorian pomposity had its ironic apotheosis the day, a mere few city blocks away from WSJ central, mutilated, foul smelling human body parts were being dragged from the mountain of rubble that was the World Trade Center.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Anonymous

    And to top it off, this bloviation was the WSJ's July 4th editorial!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  31. @Neil Templeton
    That was a very bad day for America. But the 20 years that followed, with money for nothin' and chicks for free pales it in comparison. Everyone makes mistakes, but compounded error, with greed and malice, is not forgiven.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The George W. Bush presidency was a total, unmitigated disaster for the USA.

    9/11 at the beginning.
    Katrina in the middle

    And the MMM at the end.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Anonymous

    I go back to when I was a wee kiddie and Truman was finishing out his term. Bush was the worst president in my lifetime, and that includes Carter.

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @Anonymous

    And the MMM at the end.

    I say:

    Who but Unz Review readers and other Sailerites know instantly what MMM is?

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1207498109670109184?s=20

    Some lady named Reid from the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank made a mortgage default rate chart Sailer liked.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-to-fight-racism-lets-blow-up-the-housing-market-again/#comment-2235261

    I wrote this in 2018:

    Once again, a lady with brains and INTEGRITY, points out something that might interfere with the mostly male plutocrats screwing everybody over. This woman from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, Dr. Caroline Reid, has made a graph that neatly encapsulates the MINORITY MORTGAGE MELTDOWN of 2007/2008.

    Guys like Gary Cohn, Angelo Mozzillo, Bushy Boy #2, Larry Kudlow, Lloyd Blankfein and the rest of the money-grubbing sleazebags don’t want the rest of us to see that graph. It was two guys from the Boston Federal Reserve Bank that fired up the racism accusations against lenders by suggesting that non-Whites weren’t getting mortgages at the same rate as Whites. Brimelow wrote about it.

    THE BANKERS WANT MORE LOANS — They don’t give a damn if they have to cook up racism as a weapon to get it.

    Two other ladies named Bair and Born sounded the alarm on the mostly male money-grubbers who were cooking up a disaster with derivatives and loose lending standards that precipitated the MINORITY MORTGAGE MELTDOWN.

    Brooksley Born said the derivatives market was a disaster waiting to happen, but the Wall Street shyster boys who run Wall Street told her to get lost.

    Sheila Bair said the subprime mortgage market was distorted to wild proportions and it was a disaster waiting to happen. The guys running the mortgage scams told her to go jump in a lake.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-to-fight-racism-lets-blow-up-the-housing-market-again/#comment-2235261

  32. @Cato
    @Joe Stalin


    Maybe we could just buy the tech from China and get it done!
     
    We will, almost certainly. And to present an unpopular opinion: it might be a very good thing. Get all of those who want to sabotage our civilization under surveillance. Not just Muslims but also other fringe ethnics and prison graduates.

    And who would we buy it from but the Chinese? More smart people than any other country, and more focus on maintaining public order than any other country.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Lockean Proviso

    Of course, mass surveillance technology would never be used against political enemies of the uniparty. Some may worry that too much reading and commenting on unz and vdare would lead to being put on a no-fly list (and other lists too), but we know the current no-fly list is never abused and easily corrected through transparent accountability and due process.

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bragadocious


    It wouldn’t have made a difference.
     

    The knives they had were all allowed.
     
    ...which wouldn't have made a difference in something that should have been back page news, if Americans hadn't have been disarmed! Just a few armed Americans would have changed this from an event defining America as a target to one defining America as the last bastion of freedom.

    Just imagine the bitching from the rest of the world that, "those damn Americans, some guys shot some poor Moslems on commercial airliners", in the meantime being jealous they they didn't have the freedom to defend themselves. None of us do.

    Besides the point Steve and Ragno make here that the immigration stupidity should have been ended, the stupidity of disarming people on airliners should have ended. Instead, for both, the stupidity level was turned up to eleven.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    A shootout on an airliner at cruising altitude would probably be a lose/lose proposition.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lockean Proviso

    1) It beats having control of the airplane go to suicidal or homicidal maniacs.

    2) Bullets aren't good for aircraft systems, but the structures are made to arrest cracks up to that size.

    3) There are Air Marshals and other law enforcement types with guns on them regularly*. Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans? Nope

    4) In the case of the 9/11 official story, there wouldn't even have been a shoot-out, would there have?

    .

    * Speaking of the former, it was a Federal Air Marshal who was one of only 2 people (adults!) I've known who were under the impression that the airplane was taxiing due to anything but engine power. I.E., they ain't the best and brightest

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  34. Here is the infamous video where Bush learns about the attacks while sitting in a school classroom and does … absolutely nothing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0AbbCSv9g#t=2m30s

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    and does … absolutely nothing:

    He finished the story he was reading to the assembled and left seven minutes later. Just what is the alt-right worth if one of its hobbies is recycling 20 year old talking points retailed by the ruder sort of partisan Democrat?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  35. Spookily, 9/11 was presaged, by a matter of one day or a few days, as I recall by the then Taliban government of Afghanistan blowing up the famed, ancient, giant Buddha statues.

    …. And to think that Robert E. Lee’s equestrian statue in Richmond, Va, was destroyed only days ago ….

  36. @Ragno
    After I got over the total shock and managed to get a call through 18 hours later - I'd been out of town when Allah's Boys struck (while Menachem's Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing) - I remember thinking out loud to nobody in particular "It's unbelievable they let it come to this, but at least we'll finally close the barn door on third-world immigration". It never occurred to me that I was thinking anything hateful or troglodytic or controversial in any way, because I knew hundreds of millions of people were saying and believing the same thing - and the shit-talkers in Washington wouldn't dare to feign sudden deafness on the matter. Not after this bloody atrocity.

    It's not that I kept harping on that "immigration" point, buttonholing total strangers into rants on the topic or making a nuisance of myself. There was enough shock and horror to keep everybody occupied for weeks: no need at all to shout something that everybody, rich or poor, white or Oppressed, already knew and believed like they knew that water is wet.

    It was only after, in the ensuing months, when a purportedly-'conservative' government seemed to be operating from a playbook whose first bullet-point was RESOLVED: there must be no interruption in the tidal wave of third-world immigrants who don't look like us, think like us, talk like us or even like us period that my inner Alex Jones awakened like Cthulhu after a Great Old Ones bachelor party.

    Shortly after that, the PNAC Report was made public.....and after that - as the black chappies might put it - Ah b'in a Nine 'Lebben troofer ever since't.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    I’d been out of town when Allah’s Boys struck (while Menachem’s Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing)…

    Got a vid of that?

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @gandydancer

    Ask Carl ("this story no longer exists") Cameron.

    , @Ragno
    @gandydancer

    Try this instead:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/the-dancing-israelis-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/

  37. @anon
    i still haven't heard anyone other than me explain the difference between 9/11 and "strategic bombing" of japan and germany.

    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan? why did its 2,500 killed require that hundreds of thousands of japanese be incinerated?

    maybe we're the baddies?

    meanwhile what steve should be covering is britain's thought police. this actually does deserve a nuking and/or firebombing.

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-league/3624559/fan-racial-abuse-england-euro-2020/

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Old Prude, @Old Prude

    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan?

    As opposed to what?

    • Replies: @anon
    @gandydancer

    as opposed to negotiations. pearl harbor was not a prelude to a japanese invasion. it was to preempt a feared american meddling in their business, same as al-qaeda did 9/11 because an actual american meddling in the whole middle east.

    note that americastan never made war against the british empire or french empire. so the pacific war wasn't a war against japanese colonialism either.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  38. @Abolish_public_education
    Secret evidence: The new due process.

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Secret evidence: The new due process.

    Foreigners have no right to enter the country.

  39. Knew the TSA would be a joke when our government didn’t model its airport security after the Israelis’.

  40. Why apply pattern recognition or trust your instincts, when tortured political ideologies designed to make you appear moral will do?

    “I’m thirsty”

    “No you’re not, thirstiness is skin colour plus power as integrated through black struggle, Bell Hooks, queer theory and a thousand impossible to replicate “psychology” studies.”

    “Please let me have some water.”

  41. @Lockean Proviso
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A shootout on an airliner at cruising altitude would probably be a lose/lose proposition.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    1) It beats having control of the airplane go to suicidal or homicidal maniacs.

    2) Bullets aren’t good for aircraft systems, but the structures are made to arrest cracks up to that size.

    3) There are Air Marshals and other law enforcement types with guns on them regularly*. Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans? Nope

    4) In the case of the 9/11 official story, there wouldn’t even have been a shoot-out, would there have?

    .

    * Speaking of the former, it was a Federal Air Marshal who was one of only 2 people (adults!) I’ve known who were under the impression that the airplane was taxiing due to anything but engine power. I.E., they ain’t the best and brightest

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans?

    If by "trained regular Americans" you mean people who compete regularly in combat shooting sports, probably not. However, Air Marshals do have the highest firearm qualification standards of all law enforcement agencies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  42. @epebble
    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don't think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons - as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Prester John, @res

    Maybe a ticket agent could mark a passenger for extra screening. Would it have stopped Atta? Who knows?

  43. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lockean Proviso

    1) It beats having control of the airplane go to suicidal or homicidal maniacs.

    2) Bullets aren't good for aircraft systems, but the structures are made to arrest cracks up to that size.

    3) There are Air Marshals and other law enforcement types with guns on them regularly*. Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans? Nope

    4) In the case of the 9/11 official story, there wouldn't even have been a shoot-out, would there have?

    .

    * Speaking of the former, it was a Federal Air Marshal who was one of only 2 people (adults!) I've known who were under the impression that the airplane was taxiing due to anything but engine power. I.E., they ain't the best and brightest

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans?

    If by “trained regular Americans” you mean people who compete regularly in combat shooting sports, probably not. However, Air Marshals do have the highest firearm qualification standards of all law enforcement agencies.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    OK, but Air Marshals are on very few flights as a percentage. Regular cops, Federal Marshals transporting prisoners, gun-toting law officers of all sorts, are a much greater percentage of those carrying guns. They are no better than any other American who trains fairly regularly.

  44. @epebble
    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don't think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons - as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Prester John, @res

    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done?

    I suppose there were formal and informal channels that would trigger a more serious response. I believe Atta was on some kind of no-fly list of the day.

    Such events trigger plenty of hindsight regrets. But there is a path independence to historical outcomes. Our elites are anxious to cram Islam et al down our throats, so such things get baked in. Our whole immigration fetish is sort of a slow rolling 9/11 attack.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @bomag

    It's possible that the Muslims have figured out there is no need for another 9-11, or any kind of terrorist attack. They are making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient without another 9-11, and with the tacit acquiescence, if not active assistance, of our ruling class. Steady as she goes....

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

  45. @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are they necessarily better shots than trained regular Americans?

    If by "trained regular Americans" you mean people who compete regularly in combat shooting sports, probably not. However, Air Marshals do have the highest firearm qualification standards of all law enforcement agencies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    OK, but Air Marshals are on very few flights as a percentage. Regular cops, Federal Marshals transporting prisoners, gun-toting law officers of all sorts, are a much greater percentage of those carrying guns. They are no better than any other American who trains fairly regularly.

  46. @AnotherDad
    @ArthurinCali


    ‘Foreign Terrorists Have Never Been Our Biggest Threat”
     
    Well Krugman's certainly right about that.

    But I don't think his "Our" and my "our" are the same people.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    As much as I love my mother tongue, English, it certainly lacks some useful linguistic features, like clusivity.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusivity

    In English, Krugman can say things like “foreign terrorists have never been our biggest threat” or “diversity is our greatest strength” without explicitly lying, because he implicitly is excluding the goyim from his claims. In many other languages, he would either have to be honest about whom his “our” includes, or he would have to blatantly lie. While he and his fellow travellers do tell blatant lies very often, lying takes a psychological toll on even the most sociopathic people, if for no other reason than the fact that they have to keep their lies straight.

  47. @Reg Cæsar

    "When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual."
     
    Paying $2500 for a one-way seat on Allegheny-Piedmont, even if first class, is suspicious in itself. That's $3856 today.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    No one pays more for an airline ticket than the airline (or the scalper) demands. Four grand for NYC to L.A. in first class doesn’t strike me as terribly unusual, especially if the ticket is purchased on short notice. You seem to be implying that airlines should prevent a passenger from flying if the passenger is willing to pay an arbitrarily large amount money for a ticket. This doesn’t seem like a great business model to me.

    I’m also not sure if (or why) an airline employee at a check-in desk would be able to see how much a passenger had previously paid for a ticket. The “need-to-know” aspect of such information for someone like Tuohey is entirely unknown to me.

  48. @JohnnyWalker123
    That guy is BSing. Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy. Nothing stands out.

    He just made it up afterward.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Art Deco, @Bill B.

    Agreed. He sounds like some menopausal lady detective from an Agatha Christie novel or Angela Lansbury ep.
    “I first suspected the cad when I noticed he was sporting a signet ring on his thumb and therefore could not be a Proper Gentleman”, or other typical “intuitive” female silliness.

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  49. @Art Deco
    The Bushes were always people adept at deflating any enthusiasm you might experience.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    The Bidens are giving them a run for the money.

    [MORE]

    A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well.

    https://vocaroo.com/15uRmd5Ji6O3

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well."

    I thought it went quite well. You knew what year it was and who was president, etc. and he was inaudible.

    Surely you don't mean to imply it would have gone better had we been able to hear him.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  50. @Anonymous
    One thing that I always remember about 9/11 is that, a short time previous, one Bob Bartley who happened to be editor of the WSJ rather pompously pontificated in bombastic pseudo biblical language an new amendment to the "Constitution of the United States". " There Shall be no Borders!" the great man thundered from on high. Of course, this fully accorded with neo liberal neo con zeitgeist of the time, and it seemed to be a mere matter of time before the political fools actually enacted this madness and earned their requisite brownie points from the 'smart and pompous', no doubt jumping in the air, clicking their heels and (anally) emitting small parcels of wind in triumph. Oh! such "clever" men!

    This stentorian pomposity had its ironic apotheosis the day, a mere few city blocks away from WSJ central, mutilated, foul smelling human body parts were being dragged from the mountain of rubble that was the World Trade Center.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    And to top it off, this bloviation was the WSJ’s July 4th editorial!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Dan Hayes

    And to top it off, this bloviation was the WSJ’s July 4th editorial!

    I say:

    Steve Sailer has much to commend him for, but Sailer has massive blind spots or issue not-noticing obstinacy about a few things, and Sailer's focus on the NY Times while ignoring the Neo-Conservative globalizer mass immigration extremism emanating from the Murdoch scum at the WSJ is one of them.

    The rancid treasonite scum at the WSJ pushed open borders mass legal immigration and the mass illegal immigration invasion of the USA before those filthy globalizer dirtbags in the Murdoch mob muscled their way in to controlling the WSJ, but the Murdoch minion propaganda whore slobs Gigot and Henninger at the editorial page and the propaganda in the "news" sections is total mass immigration extremism.

    Most political experts I have talked to are in full agreement that Steve Sailer should do three things immediately:

    1) write more about the mass immigration extremist scum at the WSJ and 2) write more about the central banker shysters who are deliberately keeping the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate ballooned out to highly distortionary proportions in order to reward the plutocrats and the top ten percent loot holders and those born before 1965 who have benefited the most from the monetary extremism of the Fed and 3) moderate all my comments right on through instantly and immediately.

  51. @epebble
    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don't think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons - as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Prester John, @res

    There was exactly nothing that he could have done. He was like the proverbial canary in the coal mine that caught a whiff of something lethal.

  52. @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    The George W. Bush presidency was a total, unmitigated disaster for the USA.

    9/11 at the beginning.
    Katrina in the middle

    And the MMM at the end.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Charles Pewitt

    I go back to when I was a wee kiddie and Truman was finishing out his term. Bush was the worst president in my lifetime, and that includes Carter.

  53. Spencer Abraham brings up the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate and Connecticut/Kentucky woman Ann Coulter.

    Ann Coulter worked for the US Senate Judiciary Committee when that nasty mass immigration extremist Bush stooge slob Spencer Abraham was on the committee.

    The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is evil and the Sununu Organized Crime Syndicate is in with the Bush treasonites.

    Demography and debt.

    Central banking and mass immigration.

    The foreigners will be removed when the asset bubbles pop.

    Tweets from 2015:

  54. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    The real issue is they shouldn’t have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Recall London’s Muslim mayor: terrorism is “part and parcel” of living in a big city. And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo – arguably the world’s largest city – had in the last 30 years or so?

    It’s not like people in ‘terrorist’ countries are building stealth bombers or intercontinental missiles. Good fences and all that.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous Jew


    And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo – arguably the world’s largest city – had in the last 30 years or so?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTr1lquCQMg

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  55. @anon
    i still haven't heard anyone other than me explain the difference between 9/11 and "strategic bombing" of japan and germany.

    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan? why did its 2,500 killed require that hundreds of thousands of japanese be incinerated?

    maybe we're the baddies?

    meanwhile what steve should be covering is britain's thought police. this actually does deserve a nuking and/or firebombing.

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-league/3624559/fan-racial-abuse-england-euro-2020/

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Old Prude, @Old Prude

    Re interning Japanese, I will note the Japanese empire was crushed after only four years. Maybe if we got serious in 2001 and deported muslim visitors, stopped al lmuslim immigration and monitored and circumscribed the activities of what muslims remained, we could have gone onto other business after four years (without need to invade, bomb and occupied all the third-world crap-holes).

    Here we are twenty years later shuffling beltless through full body scanners. Not a serious country.

  56. @epebble
    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done? He is a Ticket agent. If a passenger shows up with a valid ticket or boarding pass and has passed through security, is he going to page someone and say my gut feels that this guy is a terrorist? I don't think he can do anything today too. If TSA says Atta is good to go, he has to let him board. TSA has less than 100% ability to stop weapons - as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Prester John, @res

    Ticket agents used to have some screening responsibility (not sure about current reality). Here is an excerpt from a 1998 piece on airport security.
    https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=438734

    Another type of screener is the air carrier’s ticket agent. The FAA places no specific standard requirement on ticket agents other than the required pre-employment access investigations and SIDA training. However, the FAA mandates verbal screening of all domestic and international passengers on baggage packing, baggage ownership, and baggage security by ticket agents. [Ref. 23:p.88] Without specialized training to perform this task effectively, it appears that ticket agents are ill prepared and ineffective in detecting passengers requiring heightened scrutiny. It can be assumed that without specialized training the possibility of a breach is heightened especially when dealing with cantankerous travelers who have been standing in long lines and are eager to be processed and allowed access to their flight. Under these conditions, ticket agents can be expected to respond by reducing thorough screening in order to maximize passenger throughput.

    An example of an effective screening system is utilized by El Al Airlines of Israel. Unlike the U.S. and Europe, El Al devotes highly specialized security agents specifically to screening passengers, thus allowing ticket agents to concentrate on their primary task-accommodating passengers. El Al security agents are versed in identifying suggestive signs of lying, such as eye and body language. [Ref. 23:p.88]

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Troll: Colin Wright
  57. @anon
    i still haven't heard anyone other than me explain the difference between 9/11 and "strategic bombing" of japan and germany.

    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan? why did its 2,500 killed require that hundreds of thousands of japanese be incinerated?

    maybe we're the baddies?

    meanwhile what steve should be covering is britain's thought police. this actually does deserve a nuking and/or firebombing.

    https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-league/3624559/fan-racial-abuse-england-euro-2020/

    Replies: @gandydancer, @Old Prude, @Old Prude

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn’t going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn’t serious.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Dnought
    @Old Prude

    He used the word "incinerated" not "interned" or "incarcerated". He was talking about the strategic (and atomic) bombing of Japan, not the internment of Japanese-Americans.

    Though I do agree with your comment.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Old Prude


    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn’t serious.
     
    The nation didn't go to war. It's government did. And perhaps athat government was quite serious about it's goal. It's goal simply had nothing to to do with defending the nation.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Old Prude


    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn’t going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.
     
    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters. The Administration depended on whipping up racial hatred on the Coast for war support, but deaths of innocent US citizens would be embarrassing, and backfire.

    Doesn't it strike anybody as odd that Japanese east of the Rockies were left alone? That the elderly Yamasakis in Seattle were threatened with internment, but their architect son was free and clear in Detroit? That the US Army trusted him with designing their bunkers, and the entire 442nd with weapons?

    Speaking of Yamasaki, here's an interview with the unfortunately-named structural engineer Ronald Hamburger about post-WTC construction changes:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE8d94qGPo

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

  58. @Dan Hayes
    @Anonymous

    And to top it off, this bloviation was the WSJ's July 4th editorial!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    And to top it off, this bloviation was the WSJ’s July 4th editorial!

    I say:

    Steve Sailer has much to commend him for, but Sailer has massive blind spots or issue not-noticing obstinacy about a few things, and Sailer’s focus on the NY Times while ignoring the Neo-Conservative globalizer mass immigration extremism emanating from the Murdoch scum at the WSJ is one of them.

    The rancid treasonite scum at the WSJ pushed open borders mass legal immigration and the mass illegal immigration invasion of the USA before those filthy globalizer dirtbags in the Murdoch mob muscled their way in to controlling the WSJ, but the Murdoch minion propaganda whore slobs Gigot and Henninger at the editorial page and the propaganda in the “news” sections is total mass immigration extremism.

    Most political experts I have talked to are in full agreement that Steve Sailer should do three things immediately:

    1) write more about the mass immigration extremist scum at the WSJ and 2) write more about the central banker shysters who are deliberately keeping the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate ballooned out to highly distortionary proportions in order to reward the plutocrats and the top ten percent loot holders and those born before 1965 who have benefited the most from the monetary extremism of the Fed and 3) moderate all my comments right on through instantly and immediately.

  59. @JohnnyWalker123
    In the summer of 2001, Bush was given ample warnings (by the Intel agencies) that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Bush ignored these warnings repeatedly.

    911 happened not because of political correctness. It happened because of Bush&Cheney being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.

    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.

    https://twitter.com/ssbn608/status/815220103247630336

    https://twitter.com/SmartOne8927/status/331547558281355265

    Bush's "War on Terror" has killed many millions of Arabs. Say what you want about the man, but he's definitely not politically correct toward Arabs.

    Bush took a one-month (!!!) vacation in the summer of 2001, right before 911. Imagine if he had been at work instead. How exactly does a president take that many days off? Unbelievable.

    https://twitter.com/cvbghu/status/502528980474658818

    TLDR: Bush is not PC, but he's lazy&stupid. Ignoring ample intel warnings about an imminent terrorist attack (during the summer of 2001) enabled 911 to happen.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    Imagine if Clinton had spent more time working on the security of the nation rather than diddling around with interns and wasting everybody’s time lying about it.

    CIA briefing? Ha! Sorry, the Chimp was right about that: No actionable info; Just covering their own asses. The only thing useful he could have done with that briefing was wipe his rear-end with it.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

  60. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    TASK:

    Board a plane with no suspicious item.

    Then use whatever you can find in the galleys and elsewhere to improvise weapons.

    McIver could do it in two minutes.

    Easy.

  61. @Stan Adams
    Here is the infamous video where Bush learns about the attacks while sitting in a school classroom and does ... absolutely nothing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0AbbCSv9g#t=2m30s

    Replies: @Art Deco

    and does … absolutely nothing:

    He finished the story he was reading to the assembled and left seven minutes later. Just what is the alt-right worth if one of its hobbies is recycling 20 year old talking points retailed by the ruder sort of partisan Democrat?

    • Agree: Dnought
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    Here's another video, showing George W. Bush preparing to deliver a speech from the Oval Office on the first night of the war in Iraq. This is behind-the-scenes footage not shown on television:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKp1a8Opgs0

    I can't watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary deaths.

    So many of the survivors of Bush’s war - the "lucky" ones - came home with grievous mental, physical, and emotional wounds.

    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED.

    He blew his brains out last year.

    His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    I blame Bush. Maybe that's wrong, but I blame him, and no one else. The neocons might have been the powers behind the throne, but ultimately the buck stopped with him.

    Before he committed suicide, my friend's brother sent me a bunch of pictures he took in Iraq. Several of them show American soldiers just standing around in the desert wasteland staring down at the Iraqi corpses rotting on the ground. They look almost bored - just another day at the office.

    They didn't ask to be there; they were doing what their commander in chief asked them to do. And he betrayed them. He betrayed all of us.

    So you go ahead and defend him from partisan attacks all you want. I have no use for the man.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  62. @JohnnyWalker123
    That guy is BSing. Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy. Nothing stands out.

    He just made it up afterward.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Art Deco, @Bill B.

    I’d believe he noticed these chaps had odd travel plans. The rest of his account is fishy.

  63. On Friday after Thanksgiving a year before 9-11, my husband and I flew out of Dulles Airport for London Heathrow. There were numerous people checking in folks and checking id’s who had foreign accents. I was surprised by this. After 9-11, I seem to recall a big “to-do” about having so many immigrants doing security at Dulles. As the airport is probably heavily used by electeds, I am curious why there was no notice prior to 9-11.

  64. I’d believe he noticed these chaps had odd travel plans.

    If you were moving from one city to another city (for work, business, schooling, family, etc), you’d have a 1-way plane ticket. Or if you were an international traveler that was moving around the country on a lengthy sight-seeing tour.

    Of course if you were permanently domiciled in one city and had a 1-way ticket to another city, that’d be interesting.

  65. @Bragadocious
    It wouldn't have made a difference. The knives they had were all allowed. I brought a 4 inch folding knife on a plane for a camping trip in 1999. They took it out, measured the blade and sent me on my way.

    The real issue is they shouldn't have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross, @Anonymous Jew, @Billy Corr, @SMK

    Why are there Muslims, any Muslims, with a few rare exceptions, in the U.S. Canads, the UK, the nations of Western Europe, Australia and New Zeeland? No Muslims, as citizens or immigrants, legal or illegal (finish the wall, which should have been built decades ago), no 9-11 and other acts of Muslim terrorism, major or “minor,” no pandemic of rapes and gang-rapes in the Uk and the nations of Western Europe.

    How do Muslims, any Muslims, enrich and improve the “quality of life” in such nations and cultures in any respect? The presence and impact of millions and millions and ultimately tens of millions of Muslims due to their vastly higher birthraptes, overwhelmingly young males of peak criminal age, is entirely malignant, and ultimately nation-destroying in the UK and France and Sweden and other nations without an end to Muslim immigration and massive deportations.

    If immigration from North Africa and the Middle-East is necessary, for any reasons (a labor shortage and white birthrates below the replacemtn level), why not just admit females, nearly all girls and young women -who, if they marry and have children, will have no choice but to marry European males, and few of their children will be raised as Muslims as they won’t have Mosques to attend and Imans to indoctrinate them or interacdtions of older Islmaic men.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  66. @Anonymous
    Russia did 9/11.

    This entire website is a front for Russia.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @tyrone, @Ian Smith

    OK ,I am now pushing the idiot alert button.

  67. @Anonymous Jew
    @Bragadocious


    The real issue is they shouldn’t have been in the country. Another shining FBI moment.

     

    Recall London’s Muslim mayor: terrorism is “part and parcel” of living in a big city. And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo - arguably the world’s largest city - had in the last 30 years or so?

    It’s not like people in ‘terrorist’ countries are building stealth bombers or intercontinental missiles. Good fences and all that.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo – arguably the world’s largest city – had in the last 30 years or so?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    That attack killed all of 14 people. Several thousand were affected temporarily. Perhaps some had long term neurological problems. It was nowhere near as deadly as 9/11, and not at all destructive of property. So I would say that Anonymous Jew's comment is quite apt.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  68. @Anonymous
    Russia did 9/11.

    This entire website is a front for Russia.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @tyrone, @Ian Smith

    The planes hit their targets, so the pilots weren’t drunk, therefore probably not Russian.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  69. @Dr. X
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDP2ba11F1w

    Replies: @SMK

    With Republicans like George W. Bush -‘diversity is our strength” and Islam is a “religion of peace” and other lies and hallucinations- who needs left-wing Democrats? Blessedly, the lackluster presidency of George H.W. and the disastrous presidency of George W. saved us from Jeb. And, just as blessedly, no Bush or Romney or McCain will ever be President again or even the Republican nominee. And because of them and their ilk in alliance with the left and Democrats, we’ll soon live in a country in which no Republican will ever be President again and the Democrats will control the Senate and House forever with ever-increasing and increasingly nonwhite majorities: a radical left-wing one-party dystopia/dictatorship.

  70. @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    The George W. Bush presidency was a total, unmitigated disaster for the USA.

    9/11 at the beginning.
    Katrina in the middle

    And the MMM at the end.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Charles Pewitt

    And the MMM at the end.

    I say:

    Who but Unz Review readers and other Sailerites know instantly what MMM is?

    Some lady named Reid from the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank made a mortgage default rate chart Sailer liked.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-to-fight-racism-lets-blow-up-the-housing-market-again/#comment-2235261

    I wrote this in 2018:

    Once again, a lady with brains and INTEGRITY, points out something that might interfere with the mostly male plutocrats screwing everybody over. This woman from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, Dr. Caroline Reid, has made a graph that neatly encapsulates the MINORITY MORTGAGE MELTDOWN of 2007/2008.

    Guys like Gary Cohn, Angelo Mozzillo, Bushy Boy #2, Larry Kudlow, Lloyd Blankfein and the rest of the money-grubbing sleazebags don’t want the rest of us to see that graph. It was two guys from the Boston Federal Reserve Bank that fired up the racism accusations against lenders by suggesting that non-Whites weren’t getting mortgages at the same rate as Whites. Brimelow wrote about it.

    THE BANKERS WANT MORE LOANS — They don’t give a damn if they have to cook up racism as a weapon to get it.

    Two other ladies named Bair and Born sounded the alarm on the mostly male money-grubbers who were cooking up a disaster with derivatives and loose lending standards that precipitated the MINORITY MORTGAGE MELTDOWN.

    Brooksley Born said the derivatives market was a disaster waiting to happen, but the Wall Street shyster boys who run Wall Street told her to get lost.

    Sheila Bair said the subprime mortgage market was distorted to wild proportions and it was a disaster waiting to happen. The guys running the mortgage scams told her to go jump in a lake.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-to-fight-racism-lets-blow-up-the-housing-market-again/#comment-2235261

  71. @bomag
    @epebble


    But what could Mr. Tuohey have done?
     
    I suppose there were formal and informal channels that would trigger a more serious response. I believe Atta was on some kind of no-fly list of the day.

    Such events trigger plenty of hindsight regrets. But there is a path independence to historical outcomes. Our elites are anxious to cram Islam et al down our throats, so such things get baked in. Our whole immigration fetish is sort of a slow rolling 9/11 attack.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    It’s possible that the Muslims have figured out there is no need for another 9-11, or any kind of terrorist attack. They are making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient without another 9-11, and with the tacit acquiescence, if not active assistance, of our ruling class. Steady as she goes….

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Old Prude

    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.

    So it's American Muslims who are "making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient"? Fortunately we have our Zionists to oppose that. Many of our institutions are controlled by Zionists and Zionist simp-athizers, so how's that going? Curiously, most of them want more Muslim "refugees" of the European sort. Maybe they need another 9/11 to continue making us subservient, but let's hope not.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad

  72. @Old Prude
    @anon

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn't going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn't serious.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    He used the word “incinerated” not “interned” or “incarcerated”. He was talking about the strategic (and atomic) bombing of Japan, not the internment of Japanese-Americans.

    Though I do agree with your comment.

  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    In the summer of 2001, Bush was given ample warnings (by the Intel agencies) that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Bush ignored these warnings repeatedly.

    911 happened not because of political correctness. It happened because of Bush&Cheney being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.

    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.

    https://twitter.com/ssbn608/status/815220103247630336

    https://twitter.com/SmartOne8927/status/331547558281355265

    Bush's "War on Terror" has killed many millions of Arabs. Say what you want about the man, but he's definitely not politically correct toward Arabs.

    Bush took a one-month (!!!) vacation in the summer of 2001, right before 911. Imagine if he had been at work instead. How exactly does a president take that many days off? Unbelievable.

    https://twitter.com/cvbghu/status/502528980474658818

    TLDR: Bush is not PC, but he's lazy&stupid. Ignoring ample intel warnings about an imminent terrorist attack (during the summer of 2001) enabled 911 to happen.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.

    Uh … no.

    Johnny two points:
    — President’s don’t have that sort off managerial control over the permanent bureaucracy. Especially after Trump’s presidency, that should be clear.
    — Bush was yet another fungus upon America, but the rot is way, way deeper.

    The Bush presidency was all of 8 months old. 90% of the prep for 911 was under the Clinton. Especially the sort of very specific actionable stuff–like the terrorists going to flight school and having no interest in learning to land, which instructors reported to the authorities, which actually gave you their names… but resulted in … nothing. This while bin Laden was building his charge sheet against America–Israel obviously, but everything from US soldiers in Saudi Arabia to the Reconquista–and sponsoring progressively more aggressive attacks. Clinton did nothing substantive to stop any of this.

    No the disease here is–as with 99.44% of what ails us–is minoritarianism.

    Turns out precious “diversity” is not a strength, but a source of contention and conflict. But who could know that? What evidence is there for that … aside from all of human history?

    And while “immigration”–beyond settling your own people after conquest–is stupid on its face, and the US hasn’t needed immigrants–if it ever “needed” any–since the Frontier closed in the 1880s, Muslims are a particularly bad choice as Islam and Western Christendom have been contending civilizations for the last 1000+ years.

    But if a politician said simple true things, like “America is an offshoot of Britain, part of Western Christen civilization. People belong in their own civilizations with their own people. We don’t need any immigrants and particularly don’t want Muslims who are from a different and contending/hostile civilization.”, the ADL, the SPLC, all the assorted media huffers and puffers would scream “racist!”, “islamophobe!”, “xenophobe!”, “anti-Semite!”, “Nazi!”. (Their names for people who still have some connection to human realities.)

    That’s your problem. That’s why we had 911. The minoritarian ideology is dominant.

  74. @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    and does … absolutely nothing:

    He finished the story he was reading to the assembled and left seven minutes later. Just what is the alt-right worth if one of its hobbies is recycling 20 year old talking points retailed by the ruder sort of partisan Democrat?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    Here’s another video, showing George W. Bush preparing to deliver a speech from the Oval Office on the first night of the war in Iraq. This is behind-the-scenes footage not shown on television:

    I can’t watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary deaths.

    So many of the survivors of Bush’s war – the “lucky” ones – came home with grievous mental, physical, and emotional wounds.

    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED.

    He blew his brains out last year.

    His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    I blame Bush. Maybe that’s wrong, but I blame him, and no one else. The neocons might have been the powers behind the throne, but ultimately the buck stopped with him.

    Before he committed suicide, my friend’s brother sent me a bunch of pictures he took in Iraq. Several of them show American soldiers just standing around in the desert wasteland staring down at the Iraqi corpses rotting on the ground. They look almost bored – just another day at the office.

    They didn’t ask to be there; they were doing what their commander in chief asked them to do. And he betrayed them. He betrayed all of us.

    So you go ahead and defend him from partisan attacks all you want. I have no use for the man.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    I can’t watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary death

    It's a perfectly banal video showing the preparation for a speech and a dry run. You might be able to find a near-replica for a speech delivered by Harry Truman 70 years ago, and certainly in re every president since. If you're feeling profound anything, it's because you're kind of odd.



    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    It doesn't matter if Michael Moore complains about My Pet Goat or you do. It's a stupid complaint.


    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED. He blew his brains out last year. His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    Bar a brief period in 2017, there haven't been any American combat forces in Iraq in nearly 10 years. So, your friend's brother puts a bullet in his head over something which happened 15 years ago? Everyone responds to distress differently. You're on a board with a mess of genetic determinists. Even those of us who dissent might suggest that when you have three people in the same nuclear family who process grief this way, the precipitating event really isn't what's decisive here.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    That guy is BSing. Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy. Nothing stands out.

    He just made it up afterward.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Art Deco, @Bill B.

    I don’t think you are being fair. Atta was a sociopath with a “dead” look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.

    The German family he stayed with while IIRC studying in Hamburg said he was very unpleasant and creepy. They asked him to move out.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill B.



    Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy.
     
    Atta was a sociopath with a “dead” look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.
     
    I don't see a conflict here.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  76. @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    The Bidens are giving them a run for the money.



    A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well.

    https://vocaroo.com/15uRmd5Ji6O3

    Replies: @Kylie

    “A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well.”

    I thought it went quite well. You knew what year it was and who was president, etc. and he was inaudible.

    Surely you don’t mean to imply it would have gone better had we been able to hear him.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    It was a difficult interview, to be sure. His constant drooling was very distracting.

  77. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Politics, who’d a thunk it.

    https://reason.com/2012/02/27/arab-americans-muslim-americans-dig-ron/
    From the invaluable campaign reporting of Yahoo’s Chris Moody comes this tale of Republican triumph for Ron Paul. Even though his campaign is not doing any specific outreach on this score, Muslim Americans and Arab Americans are saying yes to Dr. No:

    “[Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum have] come out against practically every position that the Arabs in the community support,” said Nasser Beydoun, the former head of American Arab Chamber of Commerce in Dearborn. “I don’t think Republicans are focused on immigrants in general or Arab Americans. They’re too busy catering to the fringes of the party.”

    Yahya Basha, a medical doctor in Royal Oak, Mich., and a board member of the American Arab Chamber of Commerce, told Yahoo News he was frustrated with the lack of outreach from the presidential campaigns, and although he is committed to supporting former Mitt Romney, he expects a sizable number of his fellow Muslim and Arab Republicans in Michigan to cast a vote for Paul on Tuesday.

    “As a group, we like Ron Paul,” he said.”

  78. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    “Several women wore headscarves, and a man sported a stylish kaffiyeh. The phone bank is one of dozens of Muslims for Hillary events that the Clinton campaign has arranged this year, part of what the campaign contends is an unprecedented effort to court a small but growing population.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/clinton-muslim-outreach/503915/

    “The poll said 69 percent of their registered Muslim voters voted for Biden and 17 percent for Trump
    LONDON: More than one million American Muslims participated in the 2020 US election, with nearly 70 percent voting for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, an exit poll has showed.”
    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1758536/world

    What’s in your wallet?

  79. @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous Jew


    And how many terrorist attacks has Tokyo – arguably the world’s largest city – had in the last 30 years or so?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTr1lquCQMg

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That attack killed all of 14 people. Several thousand were affected temporarily. Perhaps some had long term neurological problems. It was nowhere near as deadly as 9/11, and not at all destructive of property. So I would say that Anonymous Jew’s comment is quite apt.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Mr. Anon


    That attack killed all of 14 people.
     
    They were trying for a bunch of train car loads of dead bodies. They were trying to be secret in their weapons release and showed utterly no creativity in the weapon delivery system. Any decent science fiction writer could have come up with a more effective release mechanism. Just off the top of my head, they could have taken an insecticide aerosol bomb, filled it with Sarin and put that on a train.

    https://hw.menardc.com/main/items/media/UNITE051/ProductLarge/HG-20177_HS_NoMess_Fog_LF1.jpg

    Moot point now, the Japs hanged the leader Chizuo Matsumoto in 2018.
  80. @Old Prude
    @anon

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn't going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn't serious.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn’t serious.

    The nation didn’t go to war. It’s government did. And perhaps athat government was quite serious about it’s goal. It’s goal simply had nothing to to do with defending the nation.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  81. Thanks for remembering, Steve. Many of the anti-Israeli contingent here who accuse Bush et al of being anti-Muslim forget that he campaigned on a platform of bringing Muslims into the conservative fold in a pan-monotheist alliance. Bad idea then, bad idea now.

  82. @Old Prude
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Imagine if Clinton had spent more time working on the security of the nation rather than diddling around with interns and wasting everybody's time lying about it.

    CIA briefing? Ha! Sorry, the Chimp was right about that: No actionable info; Just covering their own asses. The only thing useful he could have done with that briefing was wipe his rear-end with it.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here’s what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O’Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/

    (CNN) — President Bush “was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people” during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O’Neill, told CBS News’ “60 Minutes” in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O’Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O’Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It’s truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let’s not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I knew some people who knew the despicable GWB back when he was governor of Texas. They all said the same thing: at one time in the past, he had been not an entirely stupid man but also not noticeably smart; child of (real) privilege, never had his character tested by any real hardship or struggle; turned what brains he had into Chunky Soup with cocaine and alcohol; easily manipulated; intellectual and moral weakling. Failed at every thing he ever set his hand to; wouldn't trust him to be assistant manager of a candy store.

    Bush was never really the president, his (((handlers))) were. Which is also true once again, as we speak.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let’s not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.
     
    I guess swinging at every pitch and batting maybe .300,.350 ain't that terrible.

    Katrina? I don't even know what mental processes go into blaming Bush for that.

    No Bush isn't exactly "presidential timber", but it's what Bush believes that is the problem. It was Bush's response to 911--"invade, invite", as one wag put it--that was the disaster.


    If America's problem was "Bush is a dummy" ... awesome. Those four things--911, Iraq, Katrina, 2008 financial collapse--are mere speedbumps in the history of nation. They rattle the car around--well Katrina isn't even that, just a little rain in the window--but then we're on by.

    And now Bush is long gone, so America's back on track, now. Right?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @JohnnyWalker123


    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.
     
    So, it only took three years and they were onto him. Looks like Dubya wasn't the only dolt on the board.
    , @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    He was on the board, not an employee. The board isn't there to work. It's there to be a rubber stamp for the CEO.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Here’s what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O’Neill said about him.
     
    If a meteor took out the entire Bush clan (the incumbent TX Land Commissioner included), the world would carry on just fine. Having gotten that out of the way, boards are repositories of individuals carefully vetted by the CEO for their discretion and compliance with the CEO's wishes. They are paid nominal sums and certainly not enough to either do the CEO's job or serve as his executive assistant. O'Neill is just a disgruntled employee who thought that when he joined Dubya's board of directors - as cabinet secretary - he should retain the CEO role he held in the private sector, while Dubya should remain his hand-picked sycophant. O'Neill is the living definition of megalomania.
    , @Sam Malone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I'll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: "Dumber 'n shit. That was the read on him." So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

  83. Career CIA Officer and media intelligence expert Robert Baer on 9/11:

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-robert-baer/

    “I know the guy that went to his broker in San Diego and said ‘Cash me out it’s going down tomorrow. ……………………………………. His brother works at the White House.”

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Mr. Anon

    Excellent. Thank you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  84. @Old Prude
    @bomag

    It's possible that the Muslims have figured out there is no need for another 9-11, or any kind of terrorist attack. They are making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient without another 9-11, and with the tacit acquiescence, if not active assistance, of our ruling class. Steady as she goes....

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.

    So it’s American Muslims who are “making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient”? Fortunately we have our Zionists to oppose that. Many of our institutions are controlled by Zionists and Zionist simp-athizers, so how’s that going? Curiously, most of them want more Muslim “refugees” of the European sort. Maybe they need another 9/11 to continue making us subservient, but let’s hope not.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Lockean Proviso

    American Muslims is a term kind of like Hispanic. Somalis? Pakis? Chechens? Afghans? Sudanese?
    And as far as well-educated and entrepeneurial, I don't give a fig. They are anti-Christian, anti-Western and anti-White. They don't belong here and cause a lot of problems. The "good one's" of which I know a few, create the community in which the bad ones live, plot and thrive.

    Back in the day, a Muslim in Oklahoma would stand out like a flashing neon sign. Nowadays, no one would give it a second thought, even if he was buying a lot of ammo and fertilizer.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Lockean Proviso


    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.
     
    Not really.

    They are people from a completely foreign religion and civilization. And people because of their religion who are very un-integrable into the West. (Islam and Western Christianity have been civilizations in near continuous conflict for over 1000 years.)

    Whatever their personal attributes, that makes them inherently not "conservative", but radical and disruptive when it comes America and the West. ("Conservative" is not some innate characteristic, it's a relation to what is. What is one interested in conserving.)

    No the key difference between the US and Europe with regard to Muslims is simply that we aren't as inundated--yet.
  85. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    I knew some people who knew the despicable GWB back when he was governor of Texas. They all said the same thing: at one time in the past, he had been not an entirely stupid man but also not noticeably smart; child of (real) privilege, never had his character tested by any real hardship or struggle; turned what brains he had into Chunky Soup with cocaine and alcohol; easily manipulated; intellectual and moral weakling. Failed at every thing he ever set his hand to; wouldn’t trust him to be assistant manager of a candy store.

    Bush was never really the president, his (((handlers))) were. Which is also true once again, as we speak.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    child of (real) privilege,

    'Privilege' means 'private law'. Where was 'private law' in operation in Bush's life?



    never had his character tested by any real hardship or struggle;

    He had an ordinary life fairly similar to just about anyone who grew up in an affluent bourgeois family. The most unusual thing about it was his tour through boarding school and learning to fly jets. You can review the biographies of every notable presidential candidate of the last 50 odd years and you're not going to find all that much evidence of 'hardship' or 'struggle' outside of people's military service, a biographical datum that's quite atypical for anyone born after about 1951. Robert Dole's family was nearly ruined during the Depression, so there's that. Bernie Sanders lived hand-to-mouth from 1965 to 1981 (not exactly unrelated to poor occupational choices). George Bush the Elder and Ross Perot founded businesses which required some effort.

  86. @Lockean Proviso
    @Old Prude

    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.

    So it's American Muslims who are "making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient"? Fortunately we have our Zionists to oppose that. Many of our institutions are controlled by Zionists and Zionist simp-athizers, so how's that going? Curiously, most of them want more Muslim "refugees" of the European sort. Maybe they need another 9/11 to continue making us subservient, but let's hope not.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad

    American Muslims is a term kind of like Hispanic. Somalis? Pakis? Chechens? Afghans? Sudanese?
    And as far as well-educated and entrepeneurial, I don’t give a fig. They are anti-Christian, anti-Western and anti-White. They don’t belong here and cause a lot of problems. The “good one’s” of which I know a few, create the community in which the bad ones live, plot and thrive.

    Back in the day, a Muslim in Oklahoma would stand out like a flashing neon sign. Nowadays, no one would give it a second thought, even if he was buying a lot of ammo and fertilizer.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  87. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    I don’t disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don’t come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it’s not the President’s job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. “Good luck with all that” would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10’s or 100’s of thousands of Financial “Wizards” and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You’re welcome, Parrotheads.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When Bush buzzed New Orleans in his 757, waving, "sucks to be you", it showed his ineptitude. If he had any sack he would have told the pilot to put down at the nearest airfield and put a hand to helping out. He would have been a hero.

    Instead, they hung the fiaso around his neck. It was unfair, but the zero did it to himself.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.
     
    Hurricane Hazel hit Lake Ontario in 1954. A quarter century later, Hurricane Hazel 2.0 did the same. She celebrated her 100th birthday last St. Valentine's Day. Her city has surpassed Winnipeg and Vancouver to be Canada's sixth-largest, and would rank #19 in the US.
    , @Ralph L
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The financial collapse had 10’s or 100’s of thousands of Financial “Wizards” and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it.

    Don't forget the millions of Americans who took out mortgages they couldn't really afford because they assumed house prices would keep rising forever, and they wanted in on it. Just as greedy as Wall Street.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.

    I agree that there were MANY parties who bear responsibility, but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007. He decided to walk away from that, later sitting around in befuddlement during the much more serious 2008 financial collapse.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Brutusale
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, Dubya was down with the madness.

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051007-9.html

    Money shot: "I set a goal of 5.5 million new minority homeowners by the end of this decade. I'm proud to report the number of minority homeowners has increased by 2.2 million since I set the goal. See, I love the fact that more and more people from all walks of life are opening up the door of their home and saying, welcome to my home. Welcome to my piece of property. Welcome to a place where I can raise my family. There's nothing better than home ownership in America, and this administration is dedicated to make sure more and more people from all walks of life are able to open up the door where they live and say, come on in to my house."

  88. @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    That attack killed all of 14 people. Several thousand were affected temporarily. Perhaps some had long term neurological problems. It was nowhere near as deadly as 9/11, and not at all destructive of property. So I would say that Anonymous Jew's comment is quite apt.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    That attack killed all of 14 people.

    They were trying for a bunch of train car loads of dead bodies. They were trying to be secret in their weapons release and showed utterly no creativity in the weapon delivery system. Any decent science fiction writer could have come up with a more effective release mechanism. Just off the top of my head, they could have taken an insecticide aerosol bomb, filled it with Sarin and put that on a train.

    Moot point now, the Japs hanged the leader Chizuo Matsumoto in 2018.

  89. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "A little while ago I attempted to conduct an imaginary dialogue with the president. It did not go well."

    I thought it went quite well. You knew what year it was and who was president, etc. and he was inaudible.

    Surely you don't mean to imply it would have gone better had we been able to hear him.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    It was a difficult interview, to be sure. His constant drooling was very distracting.

    • LOL: Kylie
  90. @gandydancer
    @Ragno


    I’d been out of town when Allah’s Boys struck (while Menachem’s Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing)...
     
    Got a vid of that?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Ragno

    Ask Carl (“this story no longer exists”) Cameron.

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let’s not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    I guess swinging at every pitch and batting maybe .300,.350 ain’t that terrible.

    Katrina? I don’t even know what mental processes go into blaming Bush for that.

    No Bush isn’t exactly “presidential timber”, but it’s what Bush believes that is the problem. It was Bush’s response to 911–“invade, invite”, as one wag put it–that was the disaster.

    If America’s problem was “Bush is a dummy” … awesome. Those four things–911, Iraq, Katrina, 2008 financial collapse–are mere speedbumps in the history of nation. They rattle the car around–well Katrina isn’t even that, just a little rain in the window–but then we’re on by.

    And now Bush is long gone, so America’s back on track, now. Right?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    Katrina? I don’t even know what mental processes go into blaming Bush for that.

     

    Um, do you recall all the people left behind? Do you recall that he put Michael Brown (whose sole qualification was horse breeding) in charge of FEMA?

    And now Bush is long gone, so America’s back on track, now. Right?

     

    Bush being a retard doesn't preclude future presidents from being absolutely abysmal too.

    2 things can be true at the same time.

    1. Bush was the worst president ever.
    2. The presidents after him sucked too.

    No, I don't blame Bush for everything. I think, in general, we have the worst ruling class of any major country in the Western world. I think our problems go beyond one man and one party. I think Democrats have misruled this country too.

    I think even if Bush had never occupied the Whitehouse, this country would be in serious trouble.

    However, even with all that, Bush's presidency was uniquely horrendous.

    Why?

    -$5 trillion spent in Iraq.
    -Massive bailouts of Wall Street, which has gone on to become even more speculative&extreme.
    -Neverending wars that continue through today.

    If not for Bush, perhaps some of that could've been avoided. Like the post-9/11 wars. So America would still be in trouble, but not this much trouble.

    It's like a family living beyond its means for decades and going deeper&deeper into debt. Then some wastrel relative shows up and blows $1 million more in Vegas.

    No, Bush isn't responsible for everything that's gone wrong, but he's more disproportionately responsible for a lot of things. Especially these foreign wars that are bankrupting this country.
  92. @Lockean Proviso
    @Old Prude

    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.

    So it's American Muslims who are "making constant inroads occupying our land, destroying our culture and making us subservient"? Fortunately we have our Zionists to oppose that. Many of our institutions are controlled by Zionists and Zionist simp-athizers, so how's that going? Curiously, most of them want more Muslim "refugees" of the European sort. Maybe they need another 9/11 to continue making us subservient, but let's hope not.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad

    The difference between American Muslim citizens who are well-educated, entrepreneurial, and often conservative and the invading Muslim hordes in Europe is an important distinction.

    Not really.

    They are people from a completely foreign religion and civilization. And people because of their religion who are very un-integrable into the West. (Islam and Western Christianity have been civilizations in near continuous conflict for over 1000 years.)

    Whatever their personal attributes, that makes them inherently not “conservative”, but radical and disruptive when it comes America and the West. (“Conservative” is not some innate characteristic, it’s a relation to what is. What is one interested in conserving.)

    No the key difference between the US and Europe with regard to Muslims is simply that we aren’t as inundated–yet.

    • Agree: Old Prude, bomag
  93. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In the summer of 2001, Bush was given ample warnings (by the Intel agencies) that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Bush ignored these warnings repeatedly.

    911 happened not because of political correctness. It happened because of Bush&Cheney being lazy, stupid, and irresponsible.

    If Clinton and/or Gore were in the Whitehouse, 911 would not have happened.

    https://twitter.com/ssbn608/status/815220103247630336

    https://twitter.com/SmartOne8927/status/331547558281355265

    Bush's "War on Terror" has killed many millions of Arabs. Say what you want about the man, but he's definitely not politically correct toward Arabs.

    Bush took a one-month (!!!) vacation in the summer of 2001, right before 911. Imagine if he had been at work instead. How exactly does a president take that many days off? Unbelievable.

    https://twitter.com/cvbghu/status/502528980474658818

    TLDR: Bush is not PC, but he's lazy&stupid. Ignoring ample intel warnings about an imminent terrorist attack (during the summer of 2001) enabled 911 to happen.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    One simple thing could have stopped 9/11:

    The Israelis, long before 9/11, installed reinforced and locked cabin doors on El Al planes. Their pilots were under strict instructions never to open those doors no matter what was happening in the back. A reinforced locked door with the instruction never to open alone would have stopped 9/11. My understanding is this very simple, completely obvious, security measure was never adopted due to the cost of the new doors. The airlines nor the government wanted to pay. We preferred to spend our billions and trillions defending Germany against that Soviet tank attack.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    The last time an Israeli airliner was successfully hijacked was in 1968. IIRC, the orthodoxy outside of Israel was that you weren't supposed to resist a hijacking. Not sure when this rule of thumb appeared or why.

    Replies: @ABCDE

  94. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    When Bush buzzed New Orleans in his 757, waving, “sucks to be you”, it showed his ineptitude. If he had any sack he would have told the pilot to put down at the nearest airfield and put a hand to helping out. He would have been a hero.

    Instead, they hung the fiaso around his neck. It was unfair, but the zero did it to himself.

  95. @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    Here's another video, showing George W. Bush preparing to deliver a speech from the Oval Office on the first night of the war in Iraq. This is behind-the-scenes footage not shown on television:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKp1a8Opgs0

    I can't watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary deaths.

    So many of the survivors of Bush’s war - the "lucky" ones - came home with grievous mental, physical, and emotional wounds.

    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED.

    He blew his brains out last year.

    His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    I blame Bush. Maybe that's wrong, but I blame him, and no one else. The neocons might have been the powers behind the throne, but ultimately the buck stopped with him.

    Before he committed suicide, my friend's brother sent me a bunch of pictures he took in Iraq. Several of them show American soldiers just standing around in the desert wasteland staring down at the Iraqi corpses rotting on the ground. They look almost bored - just another day at the office.

    They didn't ask to be there; they were doing what their commander in chief asked them to do. And he betrayed them. He betrayed all of us.

    So you go ahead and defend him from partisan attacks all you want. I have no use for the man.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I can’t watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary death

    It’s a perfectly banal video showing the preparation for a speech and a dry run. You might be able to find a near-replica for a speech delivered by Harry Truman 70 years ago, and certainly in re every president since. If you’re feeling profound anything, it’s because you’re kind of odd.

    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    It doesn’t matter if Michael Moore complains about My Pet Goat or you do. It’s a stupid complaint.

    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED. He blew his brains out last year. His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    Bar a brief period in 2017, there haven’t been any American combat forces in Iraq in nearly 10 years. So, your friend’s brother puts a bullet in his head over something which happened 15 years ago? Everyone responds to distress differently. You’re on a board with a mess of genetic determinists. Even those of us who dissent might suggest that when you have three people in the same nuclear family who process grief this way, the precipitating event really isn’t what’s decisive here.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    I'm always amazed to see how many defenders the Bushes still have around here.

    I have no more regard for Barry the Magic Mulatto or Joltin' Joe Biden than I had for Shrub. But I can't fathom how anyone can regard Bush the Lesser as anything other than a dismal failure.


    It’s a perfectly banal video showing the preparation for a speech and a dry run
     
    Bush is banality personified.

    But, yes, it's a charming little video. My favorite moment is where one of the anonymous lackeys hovering in the background makes a slight adjustment to the one of the framed photographs.

    I also enjoy watching the hairstylist work her magic. (Note that she sprays the comb, not the actual hair itself. Pro tip.)

    You might be able to find a near-replica for a speech delivered by Harry Truman 70 years ago
     
    I find it interesting that you compare Dubya with Harry Truman, the man who ordered the use of the atomic bomb.

    (No, I'm not trying to start an argument about the merits of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo probably killed more people than both nuclear attacks combined, and that happened on FDR's watch.)

    certainly in re every president since
     
    There is also a video on YouTube showing Bill Clinton preparing to address the nation about his "inappropriate relationship" with Monica Lewinsky. Billy Boy looks genuinely nervous, probably because his own ass is on the line this time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ISgebYXzo

    Bush, on the other hand, looks mostly unperturbed. He does appear to utter a silent prayer at one point.

    it’s because you’re kind of odd.
     
    If opposing the ruinously-stupid insanity of bloodthirsty neocons (most of whom have never sacrificed so much as one wink of sleep over the countless deaths for which they are responsible) makes me odd, then so be it.

    But, yeah, I'm kind of a quirky guy.

    It’s a stupid complaint.
     
    Some might say that it's stupid for you to get butthurt about Bush's feelings ("Boo-hoo, they made fun of his reaction to 9/11!") while ignoring the devastation that his policies have wrought in this country and all around the world.

    But I don't like to throw around cheap insults. Ad hominem attacks are rarely a winning strategy.
  96. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One simple thing could have stopped 9/11:

    The Israelis, long before 9/11, installed reinforced and locked cabin doors on El Al planes. Their pilots were under strict instructions never to open those doors no matter what was happening in the back. A reinforced locked door with the instruction never to open alone would have stopped 9/11. My understanding is this very simple, completely obvious, security measure was never adopted due to the cost of the new doors. The airlines nor the government wanted to pay. We preferred to spend our billions and trillions defending Germany against that Soviet tank attack.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The last time an Israeli airliner was successfully hijacked was in 1968. IIRC, the orthodoxy outside of Israel was that you weren’t supposed to resist a hijacking. Not sure when this rule of thumb appeared or why.

    • Replies: @ABCDE
    @Art Deco

    The last hijacking of the Israeli plane actually illustrates the point above. The pilot refused to open the locked cabin door (as the hijackers had insisted) and instead put the plane into an immediate steep dive. The hijackers were thrown off their feet, whereupon the Israeli security agent on board shot them.

    This kind of action would probably have been highly discouraged by our ruling class of consultants and lawyers.

  97. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    Hurricane Hazel hit Lake Ontario in 1954. A quarter century later, Hurricane Hazel 2.0 did the same. She celebrated her 100th birthday last St. Valentine’s Day. Her city has surpassed Winnipeg and Vancouver to be Canada’s sixth-largest, and would rank #19 in the US.

  98. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I knew some people who knew the despicable GWB back when he was governor of Texas. They all said the same thing: at one time in the past, he had been not an entirely stupid man but also not noticeably smart; child of (real) privilege, never had his character tested by any real hardship or struggle; turned what brains he had into Chunky Soup with cocaine and alcohol; easily manipulated; intellectual and moral weakling. Failed at every thing he ever set his hand to; wouldn't trust him to be assistant manager of a candy store.

    Bush was never really the president, his (((handlers))) were. Which is also true once again, as we speak.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    child of (real) privilege,

    ‘Privilege’ means ‘private law’. Where was ‘private law’ in operation in Bush’s life?

    never had his character tested by any real hardship or struggle;

    He had an ordinary life fairly similar to just about anyone who grew up in an affluent bourgeois family. The most unusual thing about it was his tour through boarding school and learning to fly jets. You can review the biographies of every notable presidential candidate of the last 50 odd years and you’re not going to find all that much evidence of ‘hardship’ or ‘struggle’ outside of people’s military service, a biographical datum that’s quite atypical for anyone born after about 1951. Robert Dole’s family was nearly ruined during the Depression, so there’s that. Bernie Sanders lived hand-to-mouth from 1965 to 1981 (not exactly unrelated to poor occupational choices). George Bush the Elder and Ross Perot founded businesses which required some effort.

  99. In other counter-narrative news, eugenics (hard) at work:

  100. @Bill B.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't think you are being fair. Atta was a sociopath with a "dead" look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.


    The German family he stayed with while IIRC studying in Hamburg said he was very unpleasant and creepy. They asked him to move out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy.

    Atta was a sociopath with a “dead” look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.

    I don’t see a conflict here.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's actually what I was thinking.

    Most Middle Easterners have a sociopathic look to them. Sort of cruel&scary facial phrenology. By that standard, Atta was pretty typical.

    While you can make a case that ALL Middle Easterners should be racially profiled, I don't see why anyone thinks that Atta stands out more than the rest of them. I frequently see guys like Atta walking around Middle Eastern grocery stores. He's unremarkable.

  101. @gandydancer
    @anon


    why did pearl harbor require a war with japan?
     
    As opposed to what?

    Replies: @anon

    as opposed to negotiations. pearl harbor was not a prelude to a japanese invasion. it was to preempt a feared american meddling in their business, same as al-qaeda did 9/11 because an actual american meddling in the whole middle east.

    note that americastan never made war against the british empire or french empire. so the pacific war wasn’t a war against japanese colonialism either.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anon

    . it was to preempt a feared american meddling in their business, same as al-qaeda did 9/11 because an actual american meddling in the whole middle east.

    You're really bad at this.

  102. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    The last time an Israeli airliner was successfully hijacked was in 1968. IIRC, the orthodoxy outside of Israel was that you weren't supposed to resist a hijacking. Not sure when this rule of thumb appeared or why.

    Replies: @ABCDE

    The last hijacking of the Israeli plane actually illustrates the point above. The pilot refused to open the locked cabin door (as the hijackers had insisted) and instead put the plane into an immediate steep dive. The hijackers were thrown off their feet, whereupon the Israeli security agent on board shot them.

    This kind of action would probably have been highly discouraged by our ruling class of consultants and lawyers.

  103. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    So, it only took three years and they were onto him. Looks like Dubya wasn’t the only dolt on the board.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  104. @anon
    @gandydancer

    as opposed to negotiations. pearl harbor was not a prelude to a japanese invasion. it was to preempt a feared american meddling in their business, same as al-qaeda did 9/11 because an actual american meddling in the whole middle east.

    note that americastan never made war against the british empire or french empire. so the pacific war wasn't a war against japanese colonialism either.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    . it was to preempt a feared american meddling in their business, same as al-qaeda did 9/11 because an actual american meddling in the whole middle east.

    You’re really bad at this.

  105. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    He was on the board, not an employee. The board isn’t there to work. It’s there to be a rubber stamp for the CEO.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  106. @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    I can’t watch this video without feeling a profound sense of utter contempt for this silly little man, who is about to condemn thousands of people to horrible, unnecessary death

    It's a perfectly banal video showing the preparation for a speech and a dry run. You might be able to find a near-replica for a speech delivered by Harry Truman 70 years ago, and certainly in re every president since. If you're feeling profound anything, it's because you're kind of odd.



    Like a stopped clock, even Michael Moore is right about something every now and then.

    It doesn't matter if Michael Moore complains about My Pet Goat or you do. It's a stupid complaint.


    One of these people I knew personally. He was the older brother of my best friend. One day he killed a little kid to stop him from attacking American soldiers with an IED. He blew his brains out last year. His mother had a nervous breakdown after burying her son. She was hospitalized after attempting suicide herself. My friend just about lost his own mind.

    Bar a brief period in 2017, there haven't been any American combat forces in Iraq in nearly 10 years. So, your friend's brother puts a bullet in his head over something which happened 15 years ago? Everyone responds to distress differently. You're on a board with a mess of genetic determinists. Even those of us who dissent might suggest that when you have three people in the same nuclear family who process grief this way, the precipitating event really isn't what's decisive here.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I’m always amazed to see how many defenders the Bushes still have around here.

    I have no more regard for Barry the Magic Mulatto or Joltin’ Joe Biden than I had for Shrub. But I can’t fathom how anyone can regard Bush the Lesser as anything other than a dismal failure.

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    It’s a perfectly banal video showing the preparation for a speech and a dry run

    Bush is banality personified.

    But, yes, it’s a charming little video. My favorite moment is where one of the anonymous lackeys hovering in the background makes a slight adjustment to the one of the framed photographs.

    I also enjoy watching the hairstylist work her magic. (Note that she sprays the comb, not the actual hair itself. Pro tip.)

    You might be able to find a near-replica for a speech delivered by Harry Truman 70 years ago

    I find it interesting that you compare Dubya with Harry Truman, the man who ordered the use of the atomic bomb.

    (No, I’m not trying to start an argument about the merits of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo probably killed more people than both nuclear attacks combined, and that happened on FDR’s watch.)

    certainly in re every president since

    There is also a video on YouTube showing Bill Clinton preparing to address the nation about his “inappropriate relationship” with Monica Lewinsky. Billy Boy looks genuinely nervous, probably because his own ass is on the line this time:

    Bush, on the other hand, looks mostly unperturbed. He does appear to utter a silent prayer at one point.

    it’s because you’re kind of odd.

    If opposing the ruinously-stupid insanity of bloodthirsty neocons (most of whom have never sacrificed so much as one wink of sleep over the countless deaths for which they are responsible) makes me odd, then so be it.

    But, yeah, I’m kind of a quirky guy.

    It’s a stupid complaint.

    Some might say that it’s stupid for you to get butthurt about Bush’s feelings (“Boo-hoo, they made fun of his reaction to 9/11!”) while ignoring the devastation that his policies have wrought in this country and all around the world.

    But I don’t like to throw around cheap insults. Ad hominem attacks are rarely a winning strategy.

  107. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    The financial collapse had 10’s or 100’s of thousands of Financial “Wizards” and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it.

    Don’t forget the millions of Americans who took out mortgages they couldn’t really afford because they assumed house prices would keep rising forever, and they wanted in on it. Just as greedy as Wall Street.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  108. @J.Ross
    @Cato

    However the only implementation possible in this world would be to persecute whites. You know perfectly well that no Muslims nor fringe ethnics would be so much as listed. Your idea is bad in many ways but the worst is the certainty of failure.

    Replies: @Cato

    You point out what perhaps is the most important political question of our times: when the state is given the tools and power to maintain public order (which even Adam Smith acknowledged as a legitimate role for the state), how do we ensure that the politicians and bureaucrats carry out their tasks in the broadest public interest? If you have ideas about this, it might be worthwhile to blog them out to the rest of us.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Cato

    [Punchline moved to end of joke to signal for laughter]*, armed neighborhood watch societies, forming the lower end of an armed and vigilant militia, correcting government error with violence, such as the power of arrest, and with non-violence, such as jury nullification. The upper end could be retired sherriffs of undoubted dedication to the Constitution and could receive guidance from lawyers of similar conviction. Really institutions must be made explicitly right-wing and conformity guaranteed with a crypteia, the alternative is where we're at.

    *Given responsible, racially conscious white people capable of climbing a flight of stairs without inviting a false Covid diagnosis

  109. @Old Prude
    @anon

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn't going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    When Bush and Co. allowed Muslim immigration to INCREASE after 9/11, it was a sign that the nation wasn't serious.

    Replies: @Dnought, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn’t going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.

    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters. The Administration depended on whipping up racial hatred on the Coast for war support, but deaths of innocent US citizens would be embarrassing, and backfire.

    Doesn’t it strike anybody as odd that Japanese east of the Rockies were left alone? That the elderly Yamasakis in Seattle were threatened with internment, but their architect son was free and clear in Detroit? That the US Army trusted him with designing their bunkers, and the entire 442nd with weapons?

    Speaking of Yamasaki, here’s an interview with the unfortunately-named structural engineer Ronald Hamburger about post-WTC construction changes:

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters.

    No, the purpose of it was to break up Japanese spy rings and prevent the recruitment and activation of saboteurs. They didn't bother with ethnic Japanese outside the west coast because they were rare as hen's teeth in the rest of the country. (In re Hawaii, you'd have had to intern north of 1/3 of the population).

    , @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Roosevelt-era Detroit, it was for a time federal government policy to force integration of working class neighborhoods, and that stopped because of violence. I don't buy "embarassment" as a policy motive during total war.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Old Prude


    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn’t going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.
     
    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters. The Administration depended on whipping up racial hatred on the Coast for war support, but deaths of innocent US citizens would be embarrassing, and backfire.

    Doesn't it strike anybody as odd that Japanese east of the Rockies were left alone? That the elderly Yamasakis in Seattle were threatened with internment, but their architect son was free and clear in Detroit? That the US Army trusted him with designing their bunkers, and the entire 442nd with weapons?

    Speaking of Yamasaki, here's an interview with the unfortunately-named structural engineer Ronald Hamburger about post-WTC construction changes:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE8d94qGPo

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters.

    No, the purpose of it was to break up Japanese spy rings and prevent the recruitment and activation of saboteurs. They didn’t bother with ethnic Japanese outside the west coast because they were rare as hen’s teeth in the rest of the country. (In re Hawaii, you’d have had to intern north of 1/3 of the population).

  111. @Reg Cæsar
    @Old Prude


    I am not saying interning Japanese was important to defeating Japan, but it was a sign that the country was serious and wasn’t going to let something like being mean to a particular racial group get in the way of taking care of business.
     
    The real purpose of the internment was to prevent Japanese-Angelenos from being murdered by FDR voters. The Administration depended on whipping up racial hatred on the Coast for war support, but deaths of innocent US citizens would be embarrassing, and backfire.

    Doesn't it strike anybody as odd that Japanese east of the Rockies were left alone? That the elderly Yamasakis in Seattle were threatened with internment, but their architect son was free and clear in Detroit? That the US Army trusted him with designing their bunkers, and the entire 442nd with weapons?

    Speaking of Yamasaki, here's an interview with the unfortunately-named structural engineer Ronald Hamburger about post-WTC construction changes:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE8d94qGPo

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    Speaking of Roosevelt-era Detroit, it was for a time federal government policy to force integration of working class neighborhoods, and that stopped because of violence. I don’t buy “embarassment” as a policy motive during total war.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    I don’t buy “embarassment” as a policy motive during total war.
     
    Our Asian allies complained about the administration's racial mockery of Japan, as it cut too close to themselves. And your average Californian of the day wouldn't be able to tell a Chinese from a Japanese.

    Part of the reason for the Emancipation Proclamation was to remind the abolitionist Brits of what their leaders were considering allying with. Yes, it had little force, but they wouldn't have known that. Embarrassment has its place in war.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  112. @Cato
    @J.Ross

    You point out what perhaps is the most important political question of our times: when the state is given the tools and power to maintain public order (which even Adam Smith acknowledged as a legitimate role for the state), how do we ensure that the politicians and bureaucrats carry out their tasks in the broadest public interest? If you have ideas about this, it might be worthwhile to blog them out to the rest of us.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    [Punchline moved to end of joke to signal for laughter]*, armed neighborhood watch societies, forming the lower end of an armed and vigilant militia, correcting government error with violence, such as the power of arrest, and with non-violence, such as jury nullification. The upper end could be retired sherriffs of undoubted dedication to the Constitution and could receive guidance from lawyers of similar conviction. Really institutions must be made explicitly right-wing and conformity guaranteed with a crypteia, the alternative is where we’re at.

    [MORE]

    *Given responsible, racially conscious white people capable of climbing a flight of stairs without inviting a false Covid diagnosis

  113. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    Here’s what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O’Neill said about him.

    If a meteor took out the entire Bush clan (the incumbent TX Land Commissioner included), the world would carry on just fine. Having gotten that out of the way, boards are repositories of individuals carefully vetted by the CEO for their discretion and compliance with the CEO’s wishes. They are paid nominal sums and certainly not enough to either do the CEO’s job or serve as his executive assistant. O’Neill is just a disgruntled employee who thought that when he joined Dubya’s board of directors – as cabinet secretary – he should retain the CEO role he held in the private sector, while Dubya should remain his hand-picked sycophant. O’Neill is the living definition of megalomania.

  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Old Prude

    Bush was totally incompetent.

    Here's what his former Treasury secretary (and former CEO of Alcoa) Paul O'Neill said about him.

    https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/09/oneill.bush/


    (CNN) -- President Bush "was like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" during Cabinet meetings, his former Treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, told CBS News' "60 Minutes" in what the network said was his first interview about his work for the administration.

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3384845.stm

    Paul O'Neill describes Mr Bush as being disengaged and says that at cabinet meetings the president was like a blind man in a room full of deaf people.

     


    In a CBS interview to be screened on Sunday, Mr O'Neill says his initial meeting with Mr Bush turned into a monologue, with the president simply listening and unwilling to engage in discussion.

     

    Here’s another interesting story about George W. Bush. He was invited to be on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group, a prestigious investment firm. He was eventually asked to leave. Why?

    Here’s a quote from the firm’s CEO.

    “He [Bush]… came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I said to him, after about three years: ‘You know, I’m not sure this is really for you… because I don’t think you’re adding that much value. You don’t know that much about the company.’…. If you said to me, name 25m people who would maybe be president of the United States, he wouldn’t have been in that category.”

     

    He got fired because instead of doing any real work, he just told lots of jokes.

    Imagine that.

    Imagine a grown adult man being that lazy. Imagine a grown adult man being that immature. Imagine that man becoming president.

    It's truly amazing.

    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let's not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Veteran Aryan, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Sam Malone

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sam Malone

    Bush family was very tight with the Saudis. W. was just barely smart enough to get the words out his Daddy wanted him to say. He practically slurs them it takes so much effort. I’m not sure he understood them.

    , @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    See our moderator's assessment of his Air Force Qualifying Test scores. This is a stupid meme you're peddling.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    , @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days

    When the family lived in Midland, W was between 4 and 13 years old.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Sam Malone


    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.
     
    Dubya might (or might not) have been dumber than your acquaintance, but he was likely in the top 10%, IQ-wise:

    https://vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerry-s-iq-likely-lower-than-bush-s

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  115. @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Roosevelt-era Detroit, it was for a time federal government policy to force integration of working class neighborhoods, and that stopped because of violence. I don't buy "embarassment" as a policy motive during total war.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t buy “embarassment” as a policy motive during total war.

    Our Asian allies complained about the administration’s racial mockery of Japan, as it cut too close to themselves. And your average Californian of the day wouldn’t be able to tell a Chinese from a Japanese.

    Part of the reason for the Emancipation Proclamation was to remind the abolitionist Brits of what their leaders were considering allying with. Yes, it had little force, but they wouldn’t have known that. Embarrassment has its place in war.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ah, at last, an explanation for Curtis LeMay's habit of slamming teapots.

  116. @Sam Malone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I'll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: "Dumber 'n shit. That was the read on him." So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Bush family was very tight with the Saudis. W. was just barely smart enough to get the words out his Daddy wanted him to say. He practically slurs them it takes so much effort. I’m not sure he understood them.

  117. @Sam Malone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I'll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: "Dumber 'n shit. That was the read on him." So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    See our moderator’s assessment of his Air Force Qualifying Test scores. This is a stupid meme you’re peddling.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Art Deco

    I'm not "peddling a meme", I'm simply relaying the impression of someone who knew him personally for a number of years. And he knew him in the mid to late 1970s, when W. was in his late 20s and early 30s.

  118. @Sam Malone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I'll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: "Dumber 'n shit. That was the read on him." So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days

    When the family lived in Midland, W was between 4 and 13 years old.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  119. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    I don’t buy “embarassment” as a policy motive during total war.
     
    Our Asian allies complained about the administration's racial mockery of Japan, as it cut too close to themselves. And your average Californian of the day wouldn't be able to tell a Chinese from a Japanese.

    Part of the reason for the Emancipation Proclamation was to remind the abolitionist Brits of what their leaders were considering allying with. Yes, it had little force, but they wouldn't have known that. Embarrassment has its place in war.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Ah, at last, an explanation for Curtis LeMay’s habit of slamming teapots.

  120. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.

    I agree that there were MANY parties who bear responsibility, but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007. He decided to walk away from that, later sitting around in befuddlement during the much more serious 2008 financial collapse.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.
     
    Not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov't.

    ... but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007.
     
    Again, not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov't.

    Really, Johnny, if President Bush had that level of respect for the Constitutionally delegated powers of the President through his terms (hahahaa, Medicaid Part D, cough, cough, etc.) then he'd have been one of the BEST presidents. Of course he wasn't - he was just a dumbass puppet. I see the puppetry even more as he made that anti-White, anti-American speech at the Penn. 9/11 site.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  121. @Sam Malone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I'll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: "Dumber 'n shit. That was the read on him." So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    Dubya might (or might not) have been dumber than your acquaintance, but he was likely in the top 10%, IQ-wise:

    https://vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerry-s-iq-likely-lower-than-bush-s

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Johann Ricke

    This is 120 IQ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ej7ZEnjSeA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4o

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Johann Ricke

  122. @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When placed in the proper perspective, it makes sense 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the 2008 financial collapse would all happen under Bush. Let’s not blame 9/11 on PC when Bush is primarily responsible.
     
    I guess swinging at every pitch and batting maybe .300,.350 ain't that terrible.

    Katrina? I don't even know what mental processes go into blaming Bush for that.

    No Bush isn't exactly "presidential timber", but it's what Bush believes that is the problem. It was Bush's response to 911--"invade, invite", as one wag put it--that was the disaster.


    If America's problem was "Bush is a dummy" ... awesome. Those four things--911, Iraq, Katrina, 2008 financial collapse--are mere speedbumps in the history of nation. They rattle the car around--well Katrina isn't even that, just a little rain in the window--but then we're on by.

    And now Bush is long gone, so America's back on track, now. Right?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Katrina? I don’t even know what mental processes go into blaming Bush for that.

    Um, do you recall all the people left behind? Do you recall that he put Michael Brown (whose sole qualification was horse breeding) in charge of FEMA?

    And now Bush is long gone, so America’s back on track, now. Right?

    Bush being a retard doesn’t preclude future presidents from being absolutely abysmal too.

    2 things can be true at the same time.

    1. Bush was the worst president ever.
    2. The presidents after him sucked too.

    No, I don’t blame Bush for everything. I think, in general, we have the worst ruling class of any major country in the Western world. I think our problems go beyond one man and one party. I think Democrats have misruled this country too.

    I think even if Bush had never occupied the Whitehouse, this country would be in serious trouble.

    However, even with all that, Bush’s presidency was uniquely horrendous.

    Why?

    -$5 trillion spent in Iraq.
    -Massive bailouts of Wall Street, which has gone on to become even more speculative&extreme.
    -Neverending wars that continue through today.

    If not for Bush, perhaps some of that could’ve been avoided. Like the post-9/11 wars. So America would still be in trouble, but not this much trouble.

    It’s like a family living beyond its means for decades and going deeper&deeper into debt. Then some wastrel relative shows up and blows $1 million more in Vegas.

    No, Bush isn’t responsible for everything that’s gone wrong, but he’s more disproportionately responsible for a lot of things. Especially these foreign wars that are bankrupting this country.

  123. @Mr. Anon
    Career CIA Officer and media intelligence expert Robert Baer on 9/11:

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-robert-baer/

    "I know the guy that went to his broker in San Diego and said 'Cash me out it's going down tomorrow. ........................................... His brother works at the White House."

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Excellent. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You are most welcome, Sir.

  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.

    I agree that there were MANY parties who bear responsibility, but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007. He decided to walk away from that, later sitting around in befuddlement during the much more serious 2008 financial collapse.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.

    Not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov’t.

    … but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007.

    Again, not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov’t.

    Really, Johnny, if President Bush had that level of respect for the Constitutionally delegated powers of the President through his terms (hahahaa, Medicaid Part D, cough, cough, etc.) then he’d have been one of the BEST presidents. Of course he wasn’t – he was just a dumbass puppet. I see the puppetry even more as he made that anti-White, anti-American speech at the Penn. 9/11 site.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He appointed Michael Brown (a crony whose previous job experience was breeding horses) to run FEMA.

    If it wasn't the govt's responsibility to bail out Lehman Brothers in 2007, how did it become the govt's responsibility to do the much bigger bailout in 2008? If one gives away that much money to a private corporation, isn't it customary to take an ownership stake?

    Yes, I agree he was a pawn, mostly of Israel (via his Neoconservative advisers). Honestly, my sense is that he barely is aware of what's happening around him. He just reads whatever words his speechwriter puts in front of him.

    In this country, policy is decided by whoever has the backing of the oligarchs.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  125. @Art Deco
    @Sam Malone

    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.

    See our moderator's assessment of his Air Force Qualifying Test scores. This is a stupid meme you're peddling.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    I’m not “peddling a meme”, I’m simply relaying the impression of someone who knew him personally for a number of years. And he knew him in the mid to late 1970s, when W. was in his late 20s and early 30s.

  126. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't disagree with yours and the many other opinions here of George W. Bush. However, Katrina is a hurricane. Hurricanes don't come on 4 year schedules. Here you are, trying to reason with hurricane season*.

    OK, that was somewhat in jest, but it's not the President's job to clean up after natural disasters to begin with. "Good luck with all that" would have been my response.

    The financial collapse had 10's or 100's of thousands of Financial "Wizards" and Globalist money-men and the FED behind it. The racial justice angle was just an excuse to push it even farther. George Bush was on board with that stupidity (as iSteve here has pointed out many a time) However, he played only a very small part of the big financial collapse.

    .

    * You're welcome, Parrotheads.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Reg Cæsar, @Ralph L, @JohnnyWalker123, @Brutusale

    No, Dubya was down with the madness.

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051007-9.html

    Money shot: “I set a goal of 5.5 million new minority homeowners by the end of this decade. I’m proud to report the number of minority homeowners has increased by 2.2 million since I set the goal. See, I love the fact that more and more people from all walks of life are opening up the door of their home and saying, welcome to my home. Welcome to my piece of property. Welcome to a place where I can raise my family. There’s nothing better than home ownership in America, and this administration is dedicated to make sure more and more people from all walks of life are able to open up the door where they live and say, come on in to my house.”

  127. @Johann Ricke
    @Sam Malone


    Confirming that, in the spring of 2004 I had a conversation with someone, a very successful trial lawyer who personally knew George W. back in his Midland, Texas days, who I’ll never forget telling me, verbatim, when I asked what he was like: “Dumber ‘n shit. That was the read on him.” So even back then, after personal exposure everyone in his group came away with the clear impression that the guy was dense.
     
    Dubya might (or might not) have been dumber than your acquaintance, but he was likely in the top 10%, IQ-wise:

    https://vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerry-s-iq-likely-lower-than-bush-s

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    This is 120 IQ?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Regarding the 2nd video, I have just as hard a time providing definitions, Johnny. I suck at it, but I can (well, could) do calculus, diff-eq, and write PS blog posts (haha!).

    Try something like that on the spot sometime. It's not easy.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @JohnnyWalker123


    This is 120 IQ?
     
    Public speaking and analytical ability are orthogonal characteristics. Blacks are generally pretty well-spoken, but their IQ's are, in a word, underwhelming. Plenty of Hollywood personalities are glib, but deeply stupid, in the sense that no amount of instruction will help them grasp concepts that are beyond their ken, without some scientific advance that produces an IQ-boosting drug.
  128. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I meant the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. Not the actual Hurricane itself.
     
    Not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov't.

    ... but Bush was given a chance to bail out Lehman Brothers back in 2007.
     
    Again, not at all the job of the Administrator of the Executive Branch of the US Gov't.

    Really, Johnny, if President Bush had that level of respect for the Constitutionally delegated powers of the President through his terms (hahahaa, Medicaid Part D, cough, cough, etc.) then he'd have been one of the BEST presidents. Of course he wasn't - he was just a dumbass puppet. I see the puppetry even more as he made that anti-White, anti-American speech at the Penn. 9/11 site.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    He appointed Michael Brown (a crony whose previous job experience was breeding horses) to run FEMA.

    If it wasn’t the govt’s responsibility to bail out Lehman Brothers in 2007, how did it become the govt’s responsibility to do the much bigger bailout in 2008? If one gives away that much money to a private corporation, isn’t it customary to take an ownership stake?

    Yes, I agree he was a pawn, mostly of Israel (via his Neoconservative advisers). Honestly, my sense is that he barely is aware of what’s happening around him. He just reads whatever words his speechwriter puts in front of him.

    In this country, policy is decided by whoever has the backing of the oligarchs.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) was a name change from Civil Defense, Johnny, back in the early 1980s or late 1970s. Civil Defense was about using private property and the help of citizens in the event of nuclear war. By 1990, it should have been terminated with prejudice, but we all know "terminating with prejudice" in government means lopping their next budget increase from 15% to way down to 3%!

    Of course it wasn't the Feral Gov't's job to bail out ANYBODY, ANYWHERE. So, I agree there.

    Yeah, Bush may have surrounded himself with fools as political favors and then those who really ran the show. No argument there either.

  129. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill B.



    Atta looks like a generic Middle Eastern guy.
     
    Atta was a sociopath with a “dead” look. He did not disguise his loathing of the West.
     
    I don't see a conflict here.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    That’s actually what I was thinking.

    Most Middle Easterners have a sociopathic look to them. Sort of cruel&scary facial phrenology. By that standard, Atta was pretty typical.

    While you can make a case that ALL Middle Easterners should be racially profiled, I don’t see why anyone thinks that Atta stands out more than the rest of them. I frequently see guys like Atta walking around Middle Eastern grocery stores. He’s unremarkable.

  130. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He appointed Michael Brown (a crony whose previous job experience was breeding horses) to run FEMA.

    If it wasn't the govt's responsibility to bail out Lehman Brothers in 2007, how did it become the govt's responsibility to do the much bigger bailout in 2008? If one gives away that much money to a private corporation, isn't it customary to take an ownership stake?

    Yes, I agree he was a pawn, mostly of Israel (via his Neoconservative advisers). Honestly, my sense is that he barely is aware of what's happening around him. He just reads whatever words his speechwriter puts in front of him.

    In this country, policy is decided by whoever has the backing of the oligarchs.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) was a name change from Civil Defense, Johnny, back in the early 1980s or late 1970s. Civil Defense was about using private property and the help of citizens in the event of nuclear war. By 1990, it should have been terminated with prejudice, but we all know “terminating with prejudice” in government means lopping their next budget increase from 15% to way down to 3%!

    Of course it wasn’t the Feral Gov’t’s job to bail out ANYBODY, ANYWHERE. So, I agree there.

    Yeah, Bush may have surrounded himself with fools as political favors and then those who really ran the show. No argument there either.

  131. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Johann Ricke

    This is 120 IQ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ej7ZEnjSeA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4o

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Johann Ricke

    Regarding the 2nd video, I have just as hard a time providing definitions, Johnny. I suck at it, but I can (well, could) do calculus, diff-eq, and write PS blog posts (haha!).

    Try something like that on the spot sometime. It’s not easy.

  132. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Johann Ricke

    This is 120 IQ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ej7ZEnjSeA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4o

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Johann Ricke

    This is 120 IQ?

    Public speaking and analytical ability are orthogonal characteristics. Blacks are generally pretty well-spoken, but their IQ’s are, in a word, underwhelming. Plenty of Hollywood personalities are glib, but deeply stupid, in the sense that no amount of instruction will help them grasp concepts that are beyond their ken, without some scientific advance that produces an IQ-boosting drug.

  133. @gandydancer
    @Ragno


    I’d been out of town when Allah’s Boys struck (while Menachem’s Lads stood a safe distance away, filming and dancing)...
     
    Got a vid of that?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Ragno

  134. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Mr. Anon

    Excellent. Thank you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    You are most welcome, Sir.

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