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That the FBI started investigating Trump after he fired FBI boss James Comey story is much like J. Edgar Hoover’s left-hand man Mark Felt becoming “Deep Throat” in 1972 after Nixon failed to appoint either Felt or J. Edgar’s longtime companion Clyde Tolson as Hoover’s successor.
How dare an elected President disrupt America’s proud tradition of lifetime rule by secret police supremos?
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This is, we are told, a bombshell revelation.
So, let’s see what the investigation revealed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&feature=youtu.beReplies: @dr kill, @densa, @MB
Trained by Hollywood.
It is funny to watch the FBI and CIA become good guys for doing the same things that used to get them called threats to democracy.
In reality, although the Permanent Government is largely Democrat (which is after all, the party of government) in reality it transcends party. You can be a Republican and still pose no threat to the Permanent Government (which is why Congress is so worthless even when it is controlled by "Republicans") but if you are , like Trump, a threat to the Permanent Government (not that Trump has really damaged it much) then they will do everything in their power to destroy you. Republicans and Democrats united to destroy the Tea Party because the Tea Party did not favor the Permanent Government.
The Permanent Government has made a deal with the Banking Mafia and the Plutocrats and they get along just fine (see the Bush Family) . They have all agreed to plunder the Common Man and divide up the spoils. In order to distract the masses, the have some kayfabe where they argue about gun control and abortion and other BS that doesn't really mean anything, but fundamentally they agree that the plunder should continue.
Once you understand this, then the conventional left/right, R/D prism is no longer fully explanatory.Replies: @Lagertha
After Trump fired FBI director Comey, the FBI was led by Andrew McCabe, later also fired for leaking to the media and lying about it. His legal council was Lisa Page who exchange tons of anti-Trump SMS messages with her lover, the FBI agent Peter Strozk. These are the people who initiated the counter-intelligence investigation:
Strzok and Page sent other text messages that raise the possibility they were discussing opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Trump before Comey’s firing.
“And we need to open the case we’ve been waiting on now while Andy is acting,” Strzok wrote to Page on the day of Comey’s ouster.
Andy is Andrew McCabe, who served as deputy FBI director.
Page gave some indication in her congressional testimony in July 2018 that the text message was a reference to an investigation separate from the obstruction probe that has already been reported.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/the-trump-russia-scam-how-obama-enabled-the-fbi-to-spy-on-trump.html#more
And what adds an extra layer of absurdity to this fiasco is that they (and the left in general) don’t seem to realize how bad this makes them look. I stumbled into the wrong corner of reddit this morning (don’t judge me) and the normies were in an absolute reverie about this stuff. They have their own elaborate conspiracy about Trump being controlled by Russia since the 80s, the collapse of the Soviet Union notwithstanding. It was like Qanon, except it was appearing in the New York Times and New Yorker.
One takeaway- these people are unhinged, and Congress is now going to go all out to destroy the president. Nothing is too absurd, and the accusations and the verdicts are one in the same.
Yes, foreign policy and national security experts want to set a precedent that any POTUS who fails to take their expert advice is criminally negligent or criminal suspect. The FBI is making the advertising slogan “going anywhere else would be a crime!” actually true.
According to permanent Washington, the evidence of Trump’s collusion with Russia is his expressed wish to diverge from permanent Washington’s policy on Russia. “Going anywhere else for your foreign policy would be a crime! Literally!”
It’s the spooks’ world, we just live in it.
Now you’re talking.
That the FBI has always skated by with the admiration of the American people while having seemingly unchecked power and the freedom to produce, hide and destroy evidence as it wishes is like pretty much every other omnipotent agency that has abused citizens in countries everywhere.
How dare Americans enjoy the protections of the Bill of Rights?
FBI sucks and always has. It is not part of our foundation. It is an add-on… you know, sort of like a special prosecutor.
Supposedly the focus of this was to determine whether Trump was himself a Russian agent.
That is ridiculous.
Strangely if this was a concern, President Obama caught on an open mike telling Dimitri Medvedev to let Vlad Putin know he would have more flexibility after his reelection generated no such investigation. Nor has any media grandee ever asked The One what the hell he was talking about.
This may be the end of the surveillence state, because if anyone can pull off a Butlerian Jihadi-style rein in of the spooks, Trump would be it.
That’s why CANZUKUS would be the Union of the Five Eyes, if it were done under the current regimes.
@Trump Dismantle the FBI.
That is ridiculous.
Strangely if this was a concern, President Obama caught on an open mike telling Dimitri Medvedev to let Vlad Putin know he would have more flexibility after his reelection generated no such investigation. Nor has any media grandee ever asked The One what the hell he was talking about.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous
Imagine a United States in which the FBI investigates every elected president to find out whether he is an agent of another country. The whole idea is absurd, but they could do it. Maybe they have, but it is not their job or place. Even if we want to elect an agent of a foreign country, we have the absolute Constitutional power to do so, as long as he is at least 35 years old and was born here. The FBI can go fuck itself.
Yes, Steve, except that this “story” about Comey is obfuscation.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-fbi-russia-investigation-was-always-about-trump
Maybe they can turn the Electoral College into a council of wise and learned national security, military, judicial and foreign policy bigwigs? It could be a sort of Privy Council but for technocrats. Imagine how many members of the self-styled Resistance would love that idea?
Not funny , actually frightening to realize what the left will do once they re-take the White House. They attempted to hide their crimes yet now realize the media will justify their illegal actions and they face zero repercussions from the GOP senate.
Similarly, the revelation Trump met with Putin without the intelligence agencies knowing what was said is supposedly a scandal. The real scandal is Trump has good reason not to trust the agencies. His first FBI briefing was leaked to the media and used as a pretext to publish the Steele dossier. Why would he want to supply them with more ammo that could be twisted to fit their narrative?
Possibly I’m wrong. As Steve has observed, with this spy-vs-spy stuff it’s hard to say.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-fbi-russia-investigation-was-always-about-trumpReplies: @Buzz Mohawk
From your linked article:
That statement itself is hard to believe, but who knows? Logic tells us that at least one of the following two statements is true:
1. The FBI and/or the Obama Justice Department believed the dossier, or
2. The FBI and/or the Obama Justice Department was acting with bad intent, knowing that the dossier was fake, and using it to their advantage.
It’s an age old truism that pops up a lot lately: X is evil or stupid or both.
What should concern us is how many elected representatives, government officials, citizens of note, academics, reporters, and members of the public, don’t know or don’t care how a republic works.
Many citizens now would indeed give up their power to what they thought was a wise council of whoever, and many in and out of government would gladly take that power permanently.
The American Revolution has been forgotten.
There is no free speech, there is no "right" to own a gun, there is no right to practice religion if it believes that anal intercourse is perverse and deviant and sinful behavior, there is no due process, there is no requirement for probable cause if the cops "invent" it or if they get an "anonymous tip," there is no right to not have the government spy on you with drones and satellites and to monitor your cell phone calls because you might be a "terrorist." And all of this is supposedly the "will of the people."
And here we have the FBI start an investigation of Trump after he fired Comey --- which is the legitimate exercise of his power as the f--ing chief executive. How is this any different than a Politburo intrigue or a party purge? It isn't. It may be different in application than the Soviet Union, but not in principle. Instead of calling the "Enemies of the People" kulaks, we call them "racists," "terrorists," or "sexists." Or just "white males."
F--k this. The worst enemy we have right now is the stupid Fudds who wear the flag on their shoulder and put their hands over their hearts and say the Pledge and tell everyone how they live in "freedom" because we have "elections." Bullshit. We have NFL football and Disneyland, the USSR had vodka to keep the proletariat deluded that they were happy.
It's no wonder that the communist countries called themselves "peoples' democratic republics."
It’s too bad that Felt was deep into senility by the time Woodward tracked him down again and met him. But I enjoyed Woodward’s book on Felt, and it motivated me to reread All the President’s Men and watch the movie again.
My favorite story from that episode: The revelation that a prosecutor asked Felt if he was Deep Throat in a grand jury session years later on another topic, and before Felt could answer, withdrew the question. I guess it wasn’t so secret after all.
There, I said it. I don't care. My Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil hat feels pretty good right now.
https://images.heb.com/is/image/HEBGrocery/prd-small/reynolds-wrap-200-sq-ft-aluminum-foil-000021377.jpg
She was married to Bernstein, wasn't she?Replies: @Corn
So, let’s see what the investigation revealed.Replies: @Bubba, @lhtness, @El Dato
I’m no fan of cable TV talking heads and talk radio, but this is an excellent summation of the whole disgusting Deep State affair to destroy the Trump presidency. Really interesting if you have a few minutes…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&feature=youtu.be
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/club-45-pbc-january-meeting-rsvp-required-tickets-53843817307Replies: @Bubba
Because the FBI and CIA are transitioning from protecting the US from communist threats to becoming the secret domestic police for the coming permanent progressive majority.
Most people will be shocked at the fact – unknown to them – that J. Edgar Hoover was in charge of the FBI for 48 years. Almost a half a century! The Bureau has always been rotten – from its inception.
An interesting thought experiment – how many movies or TV shows have ever showed the FBI in an unfavorable light? Off hand, I can only think of Die Hard, which portrayed them as ham-handed, gung-ho incompetents. Other than that – I’m sure there must be a few – but I’m drawing a blank. The CIA used to come in for some criticism and/or suspicion from Hollywood, in the 70s and even into the 80s. Although now, they are portrayed as almost as being almost as saintly as the FBI.
As Steve has often pointed out, America seems to be becoming more authoritarian, and the law-enforcement organs of the state – the clampdown – aren’t questioned much anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHQYPZqZ_kIReplies: @Mr. Anon
This is not my perception from the movies and TV shows I've watched, admittedly a small sample. What I've seen is the scenario where the heroes, the local cops, are working a case and the "Feds" come in, take it over, act like arrogant a--holes, and mess everything up. And the FBI guys always look like the agents in "The Matrix."Replies: @dr kill, @Marty, @PV van der Byl
I know you are probably asking whether there are any serious movies/dramas that show the FBI as incompetent. My example is, of course, a comedy and the whole movie is about screw ups and such, but still.
"Moseley? Are all you guys named Moseley?"Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDPdQMSw2ck
And the FBI didn't get a glamorous makeover in Martin Scorsese's "Goodfellas." But then again no one was portrayed as glamorous in that movie.Replies: @Anon
Agreed. Abolish the FBI, and lock up the conspirators.
You’re right. Why shouldn’t you say it?
My favorite story from that episode: The revelation that a prosecutor asked Felt if he was Deep Throat in a grand jury session years later on another topic, and before Felt could answer, withdrew the question. I guess it wasn't so secret after all.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous
Woodward is scum. He was part of a conspiracy to take down President Nixon, and he’s been a slimy, truth-stretching, Deep State tool ever since. He’s probably as dumb as he sounds when he talks.
There, I said it. I don’t care. My Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil hat feels pretty good right now.
I’ll bet you anything that most elected representatives, government officials, citizens of note, academics, reporters, and members of the public wouldn’t be able to define the term “republic”, if you asked them, point blank. There would be a lot of hand waving.
I’ve been fairly depressed by the latest government shutdown thing. In my lifetime those have never worked out for Republicans. The 1995 shutdown was basically the end of Newt Gingrich, and with it the last gasp of spending control. The ones since have served even less purpose, and all they end up doing is inconveniencing Americans. A few weeks later everyone gets paid and on net more was spent than if there was no shutdown to begin with.
However, Trump is smarter than me, certainly when it comes to playing a story in the media. And lately he’s been getting the word out that he’s holed up in the White House while the Dems are partying in sunny Puerto Rico. So score 1 for appearing to share our pain and another point for sticking to principles. And he’s said that he’s holding off from exercising emergency powers to build the wall with military funds.
And I just realized what’s coming. He’s got the Dems in a corner, where they have shut down the government to avoid spending $5 billion on a wall/fence/barrier. So he simply asks them, what should we do instead to limit illegal immigration? Yes, they hate the wall. Yes, they claim it’s expensive and ineffective and an affront to civilized society. So what can they suggest instead that will reduce illegal immigration, drugs, and crime. And they have the choice of taking something else – maybe e-verify. Maybe more money for workplace inspections. Maybe monitoring those who overstay their visas or otherwise tracking visitors. Or they can admit that they have no intention of doing anything to reduce illegal immigration. The former is better for the country, but the latter is political disaster. Either way, Trump wins, and that’s a signature move.
How we should think—Mackenzie Bezos built Amazon and Jeff Bezos deserves half.
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2019/01/13/will-jeff-bezos-get-half-of-mackenzie-bezoss-fortune-in-the-divorce/
Face it, we live in a f–ing communist society. Sure, we don’t have the gulag — yet — but the principles are no different. You cannot deviate from the Official Party Line without consequences. The government is god — nature and science must be made to conform to it, not the other way around.
There is no free speech, there is no “right” to own a gun, there is no right to practice religion if it believes that anal intercourse is perverse and deviant and sinful behavior, there is no due process, there is no requirement for probable cause if the cops “invent” it or if they get an “anonymous tip,” there is no right to not have the government spy on you with drones and satellites and to monitor your cell phone calls because you might be a “terrorist.” And all of this is supposedly the “will of the people.”
And here we have the FBI start an investigation of Trump after he fired Comey — which is the legitimate exercise of his power as the f–ing chief executive. How is this any different than a Politburo intrigue or a party purge? It isn’t. It may be different in application than the Soviet Union, but not in principle. Instead of calling the “Enemies of the People” kulaks, we call them “racists,” “terrorists,” or “sexists.” Or just “white males.”
F–k this. The worst enemy we have right now is the stupid Fudds who wear the flag on their shoulder and put their hands over their hearts and say the Pledge and tell everyone how they live in “freedom” because we have “elections.” Bullshit. We have NFL football and Disneyland, the USSR had vodka to keep the proletariat deluded that they were happy.
It’s no wonder that the communist countries called themselves “peoples’ democratic republics.”
Where is the part where Trump did something illegal?
It’s been suggested Mueller’s report is coming out soon and the media is hoping that the public won’t notice.
On the plus side, Brennan, Comey, Mueller, and company are looking more and more like cops that can’t shoot straight. There is a long history of incompetence there stretching back decades.
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2019/01/13/will-jeff-bezos-get-half-of-mackenzie-bezoss-fortune-in-the-divorce/Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
LOL. I understand she did the math for Albert in 1905 when he created that relativity thing too.
Oh, and she discovered the structure of DNA but left it in her drawer…
Women are always getting screwed, but isn’t that how we all got here?
Years ago the FBI wanted the ability to monitor incoming overseas phone (before VoIP) so they asked telephone switching system manufacturers to modify their gateway switches to use their “Service Observation” capabilities to give them the ability monitor such calls.
But, don’t you see? The FBI protect the free market. So you have to like them. Oh, no. Cognitive dissonance again for you.
The original anti-FBI & CIA movie which was redubbed to remove the references thereof:
It is as though the entire establishment is humming together, hoping to levitate the Pentagon.
So, let’s see what the investigation revealed.Replies: @Bubba, @lhtness, @El Dato
We seem to hear that a lot of things are bombshells, but somehow they end up being more like firecrackers.
My favorite story from that episode: The revelation that a prosecutor asked Felt if he was Deep Throat in a grand jury session years later on another topic, and before Felt could answer, withdrew the question. I guess it wasn't so secret after all.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous
Didn’t Nora Ephron say in public numerous time Felt was Deep Throat?
She was married to Bernstein, wasn’t she?
Not to get too conspiratorial but some people wonder if Felt was just one of many Deep Throats or if Felt took the credit to protect someone else. Supposedly Felt was out of town during some of Deep Throat’s meetings with Woodward, but I don’t know.....Replies: @The Man From K Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHQYPZqZ_kIReplies: @Mr. Anon
I forgot that one. It’s a great movie, by the way.
how many movies or TV shows have ever showed the FBI in an unfavorable light?
This is not my perception from the movies and TV shows I’ve watched, admittedly a small sample. What I’ve seen is the scenario where the heroes, the local cops, are working a case and the “Feds” come in, take it over, act like arrogant a–holes, and mess everything up. And the FBI guys always look like the agents in “The Matrix.”
So, let’s see what the investigation revealed.Replies: @Bubba, @lhtness, @El Dato
> bombshell revelation
Trained by Hollywood.
However, Trump is smarter than me, certainly when it comes to playing a story in the media. And lately he's been getting the word out that he's holed up in the White House while the Dems are partying in sunny Puerto Rico. So score 1 for appearing to share our pain and another point for sticking to principles. And he's said that he's holding off from exercising emergency powers to build the wall with military funds.
And I just realized what's coming. He's got the Dems in a corner, where they have shut down the government to avoid spending $5 billion on a wall/fence/barrier. So he simply asks them, what should we do instead to limit illegal immigration? Yes, they hate the wall. Yes, they claim it's expensive and ineffective and an affront to civilized society. So what can they suggest instead that will reduce illegal immigration, drugs, and crime. And they have the choice of taking something else - maybe e-verify. Maybe more money for workplace inspections. Maybe monitoring those who overstay their visas or otherwise tracking visitors. Or they can admit that they have no intention of doing anything to reduce illegal immigration. The former is better for the country, but the latter is political disaster. Either way, Trump wins, and that's a signature move.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @oddsbodkins
Right now the Democrats are claiming that there is no illegal immigration problem, it’s “a manufactured crisis.” I guess they think it shouldn’t be called a crisis because the same insanely high levels have persisted for so many years. How is 500,000 – 700,000 illegals entering every year not a crisis? Those are figures I’ve read, but who knows, it may be more. They also say, “the great majority of illegals are visa overstays.” Okay, so DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. What’s more, even if the majority are in that category, we’re still taking about hundreds of thousands crossing the border. With this kind of quantity, a minority is not an insignificant amount. And I suspect more drugs, criminals, formerly deported returnees, and terrorists are coming across the border rather than flying in to international airports.
And often, they’re not true blonds, either.
Is there any level of treason Steve is willing to condemn? I guess not. I know Unz is pretty much a pro-Putin, anti-American site but I did use to believe Steve had some integrity and loved America. It is amazing to watch “conservatives” sell out their country for Trump, a man we all knew was a clinical sociopath back in the 1990s.
Again, can you spell out exactly what treason you allege that Trump has committed?
I think he knows there are several things going on that has put Trump in a bind, but he cannot bring himself to honestly comment on the key parts of Mueller's inquiry. Mr. Sailer is not alone. Most of the fine authors on unz.com have yet to dig really deep into the complexities and nuances of the Trump investigation, preferring to allow the "witch hunt by the Deep State" narrative to be the focal point.
I think it really scares Trump supporters to death should they find out they have been bamboozled and hoodwinked by him.
However, Trump is smarter than me, certainly when it comes to playing a story in the media. And lately he's been getting the word out that he's holed up in the White House while the Dems are partying in sunny Puerto Rico. So score 1 for appearing to share our pain and another point for sticking to principles. And he's said that he's holding off from exercising emergency powers to build the wall with military funds.
And I just realized what's coming. He's got the Dems in a corner, where they have shut down the government to avoid spending $5 billion on a wall/fence/barrier. So he simply asks them, what should we do instead to limit illegal immigration? Yes, they hate the wall. Yes, they claim it's expensive and ineffective and an affront to civilized society. So what can they suggest instead that will reduce illegal immigration, drugs, and crime. And they have the choice of taking something else - maybe e-verify. Maybe more money for workplace inspections. Maybe monitoring those who overstay their visas or otherwise tracking visitors. Or they can admit that they have no intention of doing anything to reduce illegal immigration. The former is better for the country, but the latter is political disaster. Either way, Trump wins, and that's a signature move.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @oddsbodkins
I hope that’s coming. But I stopped believing in Trump the 3D-chess master a long time ago.
What treason? Can you be specific about that charge, or can you only blow smoke out of your ass like any number of empty-headed cable-TV faces? What treason? How treason?
Grossly incorrect or just a flat out lie.
Again, can you spell out exactly what treason you allege that Trump has committed?
Not sure that Felt ever said he felt that way.
William Sullivan was #3 at the FBI when Hoover died, I think he resigned after being overlooked.
Mr. Derbyshire, has this affected your views on Russia that many of us took issue with under your July 20 column?
McCarthy is another neocon stooge full of carp. Of course they knew the Steele dossier was another Clinton campaign special. The question is how has Trump allowed for this all to have gone on for so long, why hasn’t he squashed it? Sure the forces arraigned against are substantial but he still has a lot of power, if he chooses to use it.
When you respond to Mr. Anon, please be sure to address the definition of treason found in the Constitution.
How dare Trump stop future Democratic voters from entering the country? That’s not who he should be.
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
Nixon had an enemies list, but nothing happened to anyone on it. They did not even get IRS audited.
Back in the ’90s there was a Canadian TV show, “Due South” about the cultural hijinx of a Mountie working with the Chicago PD. They regularly portrayed FBI agents as hyper-aggressive and incompetent.
Job of the pres is to represent the ruling technocratic-business class, which the pistol packing lawyers of the FBI are part of. Nixon ceased to articulate that class interest and became a class enemy. Trump came in very much a populist, but he got co-opted as populists always do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&feature=youtu.beReplies: @dr kill, @densa, @MB
I’ll see you there!!!
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/club-45-pbc-january-meeting-rsvp-required-tickets-53843817307
Yes, but do any of the modern FBI have the balls to wear a dress?
I’d like to check the status of the grooms caring for the dressage horses owned by the junior US Senator from Utah.
This is not my perception from the movies and TV shows I've watched, admittedly a small sample. What I've seen is the scenario where the heroes, the local cops, are working a case and the "Feds" come in, take it over, act like arrogant a--holes, and mess everything up. And the FBI guys always look like the agents in "The Matrix."Replies: @dr kill, @Marty, @PV van der Byl
Johnson and Johnson from Die Hard.
Why is every sensational local crime now followed by a series of press conferences by the local sheriff, who looks like a hostage, with a phalanx of glaring FBI agents behind him?
She was married to Bernstein, wasn't she?Replies: @Corn
I don’t know if Ephron said it in public, but she supposedly told a few people.
Not to get too conspiratorial but some people wonder if Felt was just one of many Deep Throats or if Felt took the credit to protect someone else. Supposedly Felt was out of town during some of Deep Throat’s meetings with Woodward, but I don’t know…..
Most of the stuff they attributed to DT was scuttlebutt and gossip they picked up at Georgetown cocktail parties--sort of like Drudge today. But some was from Felt, so fast forward to the early 20th century when Felt, a long-forgotten office yes-man who wasted his life catering to the petty whims of J. Edgar Hoover, feels dementia coming on. But he remembers ratting out Nixon a couple times and tells his family "I was DT." Woodstein and Bradlee, to humor the old man and because he is as good a match as any, "confirm" the old man's story.
I’ve wondered, too. It may have started with grandstanders, but has now become a trite rite, a sacrament in the worship of first responders. TV “news” is happy to shovel out anything the dullards will watch that costs so little to produce.
The FBI trains select, state and municipal police at the FBI National Academy at Quantico. Part of their training is how to give a press briefing.
“That the FBI started investigating Trump after he fired FBI boss James Comey story…”
Except the FBI had their suspicions about Trump after being informed about the contents of the Steele Dossier during the 2016 campaign. The FBI neglected to begin such an investigation since they were unsure how to proceed with a matter of intense sensitivity and magnitude. You really need to offer the proper context here.
So, what is your opinion about this investigation and what has been discovered thus far. I am assuming that you, as a learned man, has read “Proof Of Collusion”, at best, or have followed Seth Abramson, at worst. What say you, Mr. Sailer?
Or are you still preferring to remain being cagey?
Mr. Sailer does have a strong opinion on the Trump investigation, he just has chosen not to clearly articulate it in exact words. It seems that this post is one to give the impression to his fans that he is opposed to its breadth and scope. Yet, he has yet to come out exactly what is his position on past and recent developments. He’s being cagey. So, in this way, he does not have to specifically answer to questions should his NOTICING be inaccurate or off the mark. Besides, why would he want to upset his base by even admitting there is legitimacy behind the investigation?
I think he knows there are several things going on that has put Trump in a bind, but he cannot bring himself to honestly comment on the key parts of Mueller’s inquiry. Mr. Sailer is not alone. Most of the fine authors on unz.com have yet to dig really deep into the complexities and nuances of the Trump investigation, preferring to allow the “witch hunt by the Deep State” narrative to be the focal point.
I think it really scares Trump supporters to death should they find out they have been bamboozled and hoodwinked by him.
Or what collusion can mean.
https://www.justsecurity.org/49682/collusion-criminal-threat/
Furthermore, for the fine posters who believe that the FBI is overall corrupt and can go “f— themselves”, I understand your position. Anything that stands for the federal government there is a fierce opposition to. While this organization has engaged in corruptive practices, it also has brought down the mob, white collar criminals, and child porn rings, for starters. Bear that in mind.
You're a f**king idiot, not that that's news to anybody here.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Later, Whitey Bulger infiltrated the FBI and used it to hurt his enemies while they overlooked his own heinous crimes.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus
One of my favorite movies depicts the FBI, or at least one middle manager and his group, as incompetent: Midnight Run.
I know you are probably asking whether there are any serious movies/dramas that show the FBI as incompetent. My example is, of course, a comedy and the whole movie is about screw ups and such, but still.
“Moseley? Are all you guys named Moseley?”
I feel guilty laughing at anything Robert DeNiro says. He's a vile person.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Didn’t (((Rod Rosensteing))) testify under oath the FBI/DOJ did not investigate Trump?
They’re already starting damage control on the Mueller fiasco. When it comes out remember that Mueller’s real job was not just to make a lot of baseless seditious noise, it was to cover up or at least obfuscate all the real electoral interference by the Democrats, which has seen at least one investigator murdered (in, of all places, Broward County). Watch for if items are sealed or no longer accessible as a result of the investigation. This was Mueller’s role in IX/XI.
In the Charlottesville lynching, we were promised that all-important evidence would be publicly available. Then they sealed everything and required that anyone interested in reviewing it show up to a police station and surrender identification and not take notes. And the dismissal of millions of Americans as Russians or Russian-beguiled continues with other fake investigations.
Is that the section of United States Code that bans the discussion of publicly available polling data?
Why don't you trying expanding upon your point rather than make a seemingly innocuous comment?
I think there is a reasonable possibility that in places like California where the worldview is that there is no significant difference between illegal aliens and American citizens (indeed illegals may be more deserving of the bounty of America) intentionally loose voting security would permit illegals to both register and vote or register and have their votes “harvested.”
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in “sanctuary” jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it’d be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).
There might be four or five extra congressional districts in California (which means four or five fewer in some other states, whichever they may be) and two in Texas and maybe Florida. This could balance out the number of electors, but Republicans would have to do some hard-core gerrymandering to keep up in the House and the state legislatures in Austin and Tallahassee.
Remember, too, the three bogus electors the Dems get from a certain non-state. Imagine 2000 or 1876, but in the other direction.
Also, remember that Mexican Americans dominate in CA politics, so just plain old racial solidarity (also known as "racism") is a very simple explanation for their love of illegal immigration. More Mexicans, yay!
Swamp Cafe’s daily special – NothingBurgers. The burgers about nothing.
Besides, all DJT has to do to put this behind him is sing, “You Are So Beautiful”, dedicating the song to all the black women of America. Blackface optional, but not recommended. The women will come out in droves and throngs and thongs to support him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/arts/surviving-r-kelly-accusations.html
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
What does that mean? Whom is it addressed to?
You’ve got it all backwards. The FBI is actually a white collar mob that runs drug and human sex trafficking, money laundering, which practices blackmail, interferes in American politics and colludes with foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. Source: the news since the FBI’s inception.
The reality is that you failed miserable to provide any substantial source nor specific links in at the very least providing evidence for your hypothesis.Replies: @Mr. Anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&feature=youtu.beReplies: @dr kill, @densa, @MB
Thanks for that. He’s a great speaker. As he said, “This is the biggest scandal of our generation.” It’s not enough for someone to resign. This was a conspiracy, and I don’t think Hillary was Mr. Big.
The FBI and the CIA have become a lot more popular with the press once they went from being nominally right wing to being nominally left wing. This transition was largely unnoticed by the rest of the populace. Can you imagine the uproar if the FBI was still “right wing” and it investigated if say Obama was really loyal to Kenya?
In reality, although the Permanent Government is largely Democrat (which is after all, the party of government) in reality it transcends party. You can be a Republican and still pose no threat to the Permanent Government (which is why Congress is so worthless even when it is controlled by “Republicans”) but if you are , like Trump, a threat to the Permanent Government (not that Trump has really damaged it much) then they will do everything in their power to destroy you. Republicans and Democrats united to destroy the Tea Party because the Tea Party did not favor the Permanent Government.
The Permanent Government has made a deal with the Banking Mafia and the Plutocrats and they get along just fine (see the Bush Family) . They have all agreed to plunder the Common Man and divide up the spoils. In order to distract the masses, the have some kayfabe where they argue about gun control and abortion and other BS that doesn’t really mean anything, but fundamentally they agree that the plunder should continue.
Once you understand this, then the conventional left/right, R/D prism is no longer fully explanatory.
It also has covered for the Mob, protected murderers, covered up government malfeasance, enabled terrorism, and murdered people. So, when it comes to people who are sworn to uphold the law, I guess you just have to take the bad with the good, huh?
You’re a f**king idiot, not that that’s news to anybody here.
You have this completely backwards. For decades, the FBI denied that there WAS a mob. One theory was that the Mafia was blackmailing J. Edgar Hoover over his gayness. Hoover preferred to fight “Communists” who ranged from actual Communists to completely innocent people.
Later, Whitey Bulger infiltrated the FBI and used it to hurt his enemies while they overlooked his own heinous crimes.
That he shares his name with a carpet cleaning product is fascinating. Were the Hubers a family of Swiss scoopers?
Several NYPD officers used to moonlight with my company. To a man they would tell me that FBI field investigators were very good at what they did but that the higher-ups in D.C. would have to wear loafers because they didn’t know how to tie their shoelaces.
This is not my perception from the movies and TV shows I've watched, admittedly a small sample. What I've seen is the scenario where the heroes, the local cops, are working a case and the "Feds" come in, take it over, act like arrogant a--holes, and mess everything up. And the FBI guys always look like the agents in "The Matrix."Replies: @dr kill, @Marty, @PV van der Byl
The same evil FBI theme crops up constantly in Michael Connolly’s Harry Bosch movels, huge sellers.
The YAF would deride the nascent libertarian movement which sometimes overlapped with them as “lazy fairies”.
What could we do with lèse-majesté? The Lazy Magisterium? The Lezzie Magi?
We Three Kings of Prurient Are…
Later, Whitey Bulger infiltrated the FBI and used it to hurt his enemies while they overlooked his own heinous crimes.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus
What Ronald Reagan said about Joe McCarthy, “He used a shotgun when he should have used a rifle”, could with a little adaptation be used for Hoover.
That he shares his name with a carpet cleaning product is fascinating. Were the Hubers a family of Swiss scoopers?
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
Exactly. They come out way ahead even if not a single illegal alien votes.
There might be four or five extra congressional districts in California (which means four or five fewer in some other states, whichever they may be) and two in Texas and maybe Florida. This could balance out the number of electors, but Republicans would have to do some hard-core gerrymandering to keep up in the House and the state legislatures in Austin and Tallahassee.
Remember, too, the three bogus electors the Dems get from a certain non-state. Imagine 2000 or 1876, but in the other direction.
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
Bingo.
Also, remember that Mexican Americans dominate in CA politics, so just plain old racial solidarity (also known as “racism”) is a very simple explanation for their love of illegal immigration. More Mexicans, yay!
“The FBI is actually a white collar mob that runs drug and human sex trafficking, money laundering, which practices blackmail, interferes in American politics and colludes with foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. Source: the news since the FBI’s inception.”
The reality is that you failed miserable to provide any substantial source nor specific links in at the very least providing evidence for your hypothesis.
Later, Whitey Bulger infiltrated the FBI and used it to hurt his enemies while they overlooked his own heinous crimes.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus
“For decades, the FBI denied that there WAS a mob. One theory was that the Mafia was blackmailing J. Edgar Hoover over his gayness.”
You mean Hoover and some of his associates made such statements. But the FBI fought against organized crime in the 1920’s, and extended their investigations in the 1950’s and 1960’s.
“Hoover preferred to fight “Communists” who ranged from actual Communists to completely innocent people.”
OK, which considering the time period (1945-1960) was par for the course. Your point?
“Later, Whitey Bulger infiltrated the FBI and used it to hurt his enemies while they overlooked his own heinous crimes.”
You mean those on the take in the FBI overlooked those crimes. You really need to be careful here making wild generalizations.
Who made you Dean Vernon Wormer? You're such an annoying hall monitor! I hope you never have kids because your kids (especially when they are teens) will grow up to hate you because of your incessant need to indoctrinate everyone to your views.Replies: @Corvinus, @Bubba
“Is that the section of United States Code that bans the discussion of publicly available polling data?”
Why don’t you trying expanding upon your point rather than make a seemingly innocuous comment?
I know you are probably asking whether there are any serious movies/dramas that show the FBI as incompetent. My example is, of course, a comedy and the whole movie is about screw ups and such, but still.
"Moseley? Are all you guys named Moseley?"Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob
“Hey its Agent Foster Grant”.
I feel guilty laughing at anything Robert DeNiro says. He’s a vile person.
I know! This is not who we are!!
Broke: Abolish ICE
Woke: Abolish the FBI
I wish someone would ask the FBI the amount of time they spent on an obvious hit job versus finding out what was up with Steven Paddock, but oh well.
The reality is that you failed miserable to provide any substantial source nor specific links in at the very least providing evidence for your hypothesis.Replies: @Mr. Anon
I didn’t notice any citations in your post, you hypocritical nitwit. You were just – as always – talking out of your ass.
Per usual, you don't comprehend how debate works. I was not the one who made an original claim --> “The FBI is actually a white collar mob that runs drug and human sex trafficking, money laundering, which practices blackmail, interferes in American politics and colludes with foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. Source: the news since the FBI’s inception.” The source provided is not even a source. Thus, I am calling him out on it. All she has to do is offer some evidence, a couple of links in other words, and we can figure out to what extent is the validity of the claim.
Are you following? Just let me know, as you can be a couple of steps behind.Replies: @BB753
I feel guilty laughing at anything Robert DeNiro says. He's a vile person.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Indeed he is. I also can’t stand Charles Grodin, so for those two reasons, I’ll probably never see that movie, funny though it may be.
I know you are probably asking whether there are any serious movies/dramas that show the FBI as incompetent. My example is, of course, a comedy and the whole movie is about screw ups and such, but still.
"Moseley? Are all you guys named Moseley?"Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob
Midnight Run is a very funny movie. Charles Grodin was hilarious.
You're a f**king idiot, not that that's news to anybody here.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
We never see Corvinus and Tiny Duck on the same thread. Weird.
This is not my perception from the movies and TV shows I've watched, admittedly a small sample. What I've seen is the scenario where the heroes, the local cops, are working a case and the "Feds" come in, take it over, act like arrogant a--holes, and mess everything up. And the FBI guys always look like the agents in "The Matrix."Replies: @dr kill, @Marty, @PV van der Byl
That portrayal of the FBI is also consistent with attitudes of many local police departments, even big city ones. In private, I have heard fairly high ranking NYPD members refer to the FBI as “famous but incompetent.”
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/club-45-pbc-january-meeting-rsvp-required-tickets-53843817307Replies: @Bubba
I’ll do my best! Thanks for that!
Not to get too conspiratorial but some people wonder if Felt was just one of many Deep Throats or if Felt took the credit to protect someone else. Supposedly Felt was out of town during some of Deep Throat’s meetings with Woodward, but I don’t know.....Replies: @The Man From K Street
Deep Throat was always a composite of several sources, only one of which was Felt. Remember that the editor of the book “All the President’s Men” stated long ago that the initial draft of the book contained absolutely no reference to DT. Basically, Woodward and Bernstein did the same thing a Hollywood scriptwriter does when he sees a Hero who has a dozen helpers in accomplishing the Great Deed: boils those dozen down to a single sidekick and gives the sidekick a name.
Most of the stuff they attributed to DT was scuttlebutt and gossip they picked up at Georgetown cocktail parties–sort of like Drudge today. But some was from Felt, so fast forward to the early 20th century when Felt, a long-forgotten office yes-man who wasted his life catering to the petty whims of J. Edgar Hoover, feels dementia coming on. But he remembers ratting out Nixon a couple times and tells his family “I was DT.” Woodstein and Bradlee, to humor the old man and because he is as good a match as any, “confirm” the old man’s story.
You are right, he is a great speaker! I enjoyed listening to that.
The DOJ, FBI and CIA should be prosecuted under RICO – those organizations are the definition of organized crime.
Good thought experiment. It might not be portrayed an unfavorable light, but I liked Rick Moranis as the goofy FBI agent in “My Blue Heaven.” Steve Martin was brilliant as usual. I still laugh hysterically at the supermarket scenes.
And the FBI didn’t get a glamorous makeover in Martin Scorsese’s “Goodfellas.” But then again no one was portrayed as glamorous in that movie.
For those of you who like Mitchell and Webb (Peep Show), just found out about this today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassadors_(TV_series)
Ambassadors is a three-part British comedy-drama television series that ran on BBC Two in 2013. Ambassadors follows the lives of the employees of the British embassy in the fictional Central Asian nation of Tazbekistan.
And of course Back Season 1, basically rehashing their Peep Show roles in a more mature, rustic setting (Gee I wonder why they wanted to have this set in the country. Maybe it's because you can somewhat still have English culture there and have it seem somewhat realistic?)
In reality, although the Permanent Government is largely Democrat (which is after all, the party of government) in reality it transcends party. You can be a Republican and still pose no threat to the Permanent Government (which is why Congress is so worthless even when it is controlled by "Republicans") but if you are , like Trump, a threat to the Permanent Government (not that Trump has really damaged it much) then they will do everything in their power to destroy you. Republicans and Democrats united to destroy the Tea Party because the Tea Party did not favor the Permanent Government.
The Permanent Government has made a deal with the Banking Mafia and the Plutocrats and they get along just fine (see the Bush Family) . They have all agreed to plunder the Common Man and divide up the spoils. In order to distract the masses, the have some kayfabe where they argue about gun control and abortion and other BS that doesn't really mean anything, but fundamentally they agree that the plunder should continue.
Once you understand this, then the conventional left/right, R/D prism is no longer fully explanatory.Replies: @Lagertha
This is what is so hard for most naive Americans to understand: there is no Democrat/Republican party….it is largely a unified, corrupt front to keep reaping the benefits ($$$$) by serving in Congress (passing nothing, just stale-mate fighting and calling each other “motherf*cker” or whatever) and gorging on lobbyist’s money; or gorging and pimping for contracts for Endless War. Endless War in the Middle East; and soon, for the Caribbean/South American zone.
And, of course, all corrupt Congresspeople will never stop demonizing Russia…and lusting for nuclear war, fantasizing about how much money that will make them. And, of course, the Democrats have been ceaselessly drumming up a future race war, so all those FBI/CIA agents can declare Martial Law and “round up” the deplorables once and for all. Take us to the gulags to re-educate us if not slaughter/gas us. Ok, I am a little dark because I hate January (and February) in New England….it sucks so bad post Christmas.
I feel like Jeong (the creature at NYT) in that I feel good each time one of those corrupt ones (the creepy, old and smelly Congressmen or women) is afflicted with cancer, dies, or suffers these last few years – happening a lot. I should not hope for people to die but they want us to all die, and, are in fact, letting us know that quite often – I mean, they don’t even hide it.
I am hoping the American public wakes up and hate-votes all these corrupt people out of office for good. One can dream. I’m going to a better beach than yucky PR in a few weeks, so maybe I’ll snap out of my mood!
I wish we never have to see their unctuous, smarmy, creepy posts.
I always heard Paddock was part of a gun-deal that went bad – FBI/Saudis….whole lotta bad hombres….or that he was used (shot), and it was actually, FBI shooting the innocents on the asphalt. FBI has a history of finding lone-wolf weirdos for spectacular killings.
hahhhaaa, like who cares what wild generalizations someone makes here, on hallowed ground!?!
Who made you Dean Vernon Wormer? You’re such an annoying hall monitor! I hope you never have kids because your kids (especially when they are teens) will grow up to hate you because of your incessant need to indoctrinate everyone to your views.
Obviously, you do, as you clearly became triggered. Perhaps you lack the intellectual horsepower to engage in substantive debate. I have some resources to help you in this endeavor. Would you like to know more, citizen?
The real-life Chicago police who run the Second City Cop blog regularly refer to the FBI as the Feebs and say the acronym really stands for Famous But Incompetent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDPdQMSw2ck
And the FBI didn't get a glamorous makeover in Martin Scorsese's "Goodfellas." But then again no one was portrayed as glamorous in that movie.Replies: @Anon
How did I miss this? Even did a IMDB search for Steve Martin and overlooked it. I even remember my older relatives talking about it.
For those of you who like Mitchell and Webb (Peep Show), just found out about this today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassadors_(TV_series)
Ambassadors is a three-part British comedy-drama television series that ran on BBC Two in 2013. Ambassadors follows the lives of the employees of the British embassy in the fictional Central Asian nation of Tazbekistan.
And of course Back Season 1, basically rehashing their Peep Show roles in a more mature, rustic setting (Gee I wonder why they wanted to have this set in the country. Maybe it’s because you can somewhat still have English culture there and have it seem somewhat realistic?)
Ah, yes, Chicago’s police: doing a bang-up job to maintain its storied reputation for peace and safety….
One takeaway- these people are unhinged, and Congress is now going to go all out to destroy the president. Nothing is too absurd, and the accusations and the verdicts are one in the same.Replies: @J.Ross
The Q-anon thing is like X-Files copaganda: believing against all evidence that there are bureaucrats who are not seditious scum, who know how to do their jobs, and are committed to doing the right thing. That’s stupid, but it’s head and shouders above the idea that Trump is a Russian asset going back to Soviet days, who defeated Hillary with a FaceBook ad seen by fewer people than attend Harlem Globetrotters games. There probably really are bureaucrats who are not garbage, they’re just neutralized by numbers and procedure. None of the anti-Trump stuff is even coherent.
That is ridiculous.
Strangely if this was a concern, President Obama caught on an open mike telling Dimitri Medvedev to let Vlad Putin know he would have more flexibility after his reelection generated no such investigation. Nor has any media grandee ever asked The One what the hell he was talking about.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous
This is the espionage equivalent of “pull him over, I think he’s weaving and that taillight looks dim.”
This may be the end of the surveillence state, because if anyone can pull off a Butlerian Jihadi-style rein in of the spooks, Trump would be it.
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
Let’s not err on the low side. From the article: “Using mathematical modeling on a range of demographic and immigration operations data, the researchers estimate there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.”
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
It’s the politicians who run the Chicago PD that keep the police from doing their job.
Seems to me the it may be police (at keast in large cities)!don't much mind hanging out in doughnut shops and collecting exhorbitant salaries or playing at being Eliot Ness, whether it's ostensibly because the elected government (at whatever level) wants them to use kid gloves on downtrodden youth or ostensibly because the elected government is corrupt and must bentalen down by the police's heroic and nunorthodox doggedness.
The explanations always seem to convenientlt justify whatever makes the police look best.
60 million “Americans” speak a language other than English at home.
Very strange how there was never even a decent explanation about what happened. It all just got memory-holed.
How come the elected government controls the police in Chicago (and about every other city and state, to hear it from mist conservative sorts, mostly cheerleaders of the police) but the policr police control the elected government in Washington (i.e., the president), according to those same cheerleaders? Local and state police sure seemed to ask “How high?” when Obama’s people told them to jump.
Seems to me the it may be police (at keast in large cities)!don’t much mind hanging out in doughnut shops and collecting exhorbitant salaries or playing at being Eliot Ness, whether it’s ostensibly because the elected government (at whatever level) wants them to use kid gloves on downtrodden youth or ostensibly because the elected government is corrupt and must bentalen down by the police’s heroic and nunorthodox doggedness.
The explanations always seem to convenientlt justify whatever makes the police look best.
“I didn’t notice any citations in your post.”
Per usual, you don’t comprehend how debate works. I was not the one who made an original claim –> “The FBI is actually a white collar mob that runs drug and human sex trafficking, money laundering, which practices blackmail, interferes in American politics and colludes with foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. Source: the news since the FBI’s inception.” The source provided is not even a source. Thus, I am calling him out on it. All she has to do is offer some evidence, a couple of links in other words, and we can figure out to what extent is the validity of the claim.
Are you following? Just let me know, as you can be a couple of steps behind.
Of Herbert Hoover's shenanigans? Of the late Bush Sr. involvement with the Salinas family? Of Watergate? I wouldn't know where to begin.Replies: @Corvinus, @adfafda
Who made you Dean Vernon Wormer? You're such an annoying hall monitor! I hope you never have kids because your kids (especially when they are teens) will grow up to hate you because of your incessant need to indoctrinate everyone to your views.Replies: @Corvinus, @Bubba
“hahhhaaa, like who cares what wild generalizations someone makes here, on hallowed ground!?!”
Obviously, you do, as you clearly became triggered. Perhaps you lack the intellectual horsepower to engage in substantive debate. I have some resources to help you in this endeavor. Would you like to know more, citizen?
Per usual, you don't comprehend how debate works. I was not the one who made an original claim --> “The FBI is actually a white collar mob that runs drug and human sex trafficking, money laundering, which practices blackmail, interferes in American politics and colludes with foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. Source: the news since the FBI’s inception.” The source provided is not even a source. Thus, I am calling him out on it. All she has to do is offer some evidence, a couple of links in other words, and we can figure out to what extent is the validity of the claim.
Are you following? Just let me know, as you can be a couple of steps behind.Replies: @BB753
Ever heard of FBI stings? Of the Lawrence King scandal? (Google Lawrence King, Rep, you’d be surprised) Have you listened to the recent Strzok hearings? Comey rings a bell?
Of Herbert Hoover’s shenanigans? Of the late Bush Sr. involvement with the Salinas family? Of Watergate? I wouldn’t know where to begin.
What was the purpose for each sting? What was the overall result? See, one cannot reasonable assume the FBI was mostly or even generally conducting illegal or illegitimate operations.
I get it. You do not trust the federal government and its entities. Your strong confirmation bias may prevent you from carefully analyzing each and every situation without making again a wild generalization that the FBI is corrupt. Again, it has certainly engaged in corruptive practices, but it has also done a world of good. One needs to balance everything out before arriving at a conclusion.
Of Herbert Hoover's shenanigans? Of the late Bush Sr. involvement with the Salinas family? Of Watergate? I wouldn't know where to begin.Replies: @Corvinus, @adfafda
“Ever heard of FBI stings?…I wouldn’t know where to begin.”
What was the purpose for each sting? What was the overall result? See, one cannot reasonable assume the FBI was mostly or even generally conducting illegal or illegitimate operations.
I get it. You do not trust the federal government and its entities. Your strong confirmation bias may prevent you from carefully analyzing each and every situation without making again a wild generalization that the FBI is corrupt. Again, it has certainly engaged in corruptive practices, but it has also done a world of good. One needs to balance everything out before arriving at a conclusion.
What a stupid article from an ignorant foreigner. “To wit, there is no question that Russia made multiple, unprecedented attempts to penetrate a U.S. presidential campaign . . . .” Yeah, there is a question, you fucking moron, because there’s no evidence of multiple (or any) and no one has ever examined any precedents.
That a-boy. Way to use your strength of ad hominem. For a moment I thought you had lost your magic touch.
"Yeah, there is a question, you fucking moron, because there’s no evidence of multiple (or any) and no one has ever examined any precedents."
Clearly you haven't been paying attention for the past two years. Do you enjoy having your head buried in the sand?
That said, I think the real reason that Democrats oppose any checks on illegal immigration is because the illegals settle in "sanctuary" jurisdictions (these policies are intended to draw them) and their headcount is included in the Census for Congressional apportionment, electoral votes, and the allocation of funds from the Federal government for programs like Medicaid. If you take the Yale study estimating 20 million illegals in the U.S. and divide by the number of 710,000 (representing the size of a Congressional district) it yields 28 seats in the House of representatives (and corresponds to 28 electoral college votes for the Presidency) mostly in Democrat dominated States. By this calculation, if illegals constituted a State, it'd be the State with the fifth most electoral votes (this is without adding 2 for the Senators, which would make it number 3) behind California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), and Florida (29) and ahead of Pennsylvania and Illinois (2o each).Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist, @Harry Baldwin, @Escher
Hence Trump’s attempt to include citizenship status in census surveys.
“What a stupid article from an ignorant foreigner.”
That a-boy. Way to use your strength of ad hominem. For a moment I thought you had lost your magic touch.
“Yeah, there is a question, you fucking moron, because there’s no evidence of multiple (or any) and no one has ever examined any precedents.”
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention for the past two years. Do you enjoy having your head buried in the sand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&feature=youtu.beReplies: @dr kill, @densa, @MB
Thanks for this. He comes across much better than the few times I have seen him interviewed.
But if Bongino sells his soul and becomes part of Conservative, Inc. and starts selling "Super Beets", sabotaging President Trump and supports the neocon crap to collect Soros donations, then I will never listen to him again.
Corvinus is, and remains–and probably always will be–the biggest troll on Unz. I would love to bust this douche in the mouth.
Of Herbert Hoover's shenanigans? Of the late Bush Sr. involvement with the Salinas family? Of Watergate? I wouldn't know where to begin.Replies: @Corvinus, @adfafda
Your mistake is that you’re arguing with a troll. His mission is pretty obvious: he’s not here to learn, or discuss any kind of nuance, or engage in any meaningful debate; he just here to provoke a response, to push his vile agenda. The best thing to do is block this asshole. At least, Small Mallard is somewhat amusing.
Who made you Dean Vernon Wormer? You're such an annoying hall monitor! I hope you never have kids because your kids (especially when they are teens) will grow up to hate you because of your incessant need to indoctrinate everyone to your views.Replies: @Corvinus, @Bubba
AGREE and LOL!!! Thank you!
He seems to be very down-to-earth and speaking from his heart – definitely not an elitist. His background is solid and knows what he is talking about. I like listening to this, he’s a real guy.
But if Bongino sells his soul and becomes part of Conservative, Inc. and starts selling “Super Beets”, sabotaging President Trump and supports the neocon crap to collect Soros donations, then I will never listen to him again.
“So, what is your opinion about this investigation and what has been discovered thus far. I am assuming that you, as a learned man, has read “Proof Of Collusion”, at best, or have followed Seth Abramson, at worst. What say you, Mr. Sailer?”
Results of investigation: NOTHING. Not a single arrest on anything relating to collusion with the Russians on anything, let alone election interference.
What are your comments on Bob Woodard of Watergate fame saying there was no collusion? BTW, the media is now reporting that Mueller has nothing on collusion. Any comment on that?
What you have cited “Proof Of Collusion” only presents “proof” in the title; it’s a book written by a political hack, so it’s not surprising that someone of your middling intellect would advance it as “proof”. I’ve noticed, as is usually with you, that you lack the cognitive ability to lay out a case yourself. Sailer should do us a favor and no longer approve your comments. You contribute nothing and are regularly embarrassed and run off threads…only to post on them days after you think no one is watching anymore. Most people already have this guy set to ignore, so just make it official and be done with it.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/bob-woodward-trump-collusion/
There really are good low-level bureaucrats out there they’re just few and far between, and usually low on the totem pole. They’ve also got the disadvantage of being fully subject to the laws and administrative rules that the people at the top, the people behind Russiagate, have excused themselves from. Even to the extent that it’s risky to explain in public the full illegality of what’s been publicly exposed.