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From a new paper:

Left-handedness is associated with greater fighting success in humans
Thomas Richardson, R. Tucker Gilman

Left-handedness is a costly, sexually dimorphic trait found at low frequencies in all human populations. How the handedness polymorphism is maintained is unclear. The fighting hypothesis argues that left-handed men have a negative frequency-dependent advantage in violent intrasexual competition giving them a selective advantage. In support of this, many studies have found that left-handed men are overrepresented among modern professional fighters, but studies typically find no difference in fighting success between left and right-handed fighters. We studied over 13,800 professional boxers and mixed martial artists of varying abilities in three of the largest samples to test this hypothesis to date, finding robust evidence that left-handed fighters have greater fighting success. This held for both male and female fighters, and for both percentage of fights won and an objective measure of fighting ability. We replicated previous results showing that left-handed fighters are strongly overrepresented in professional combat sports, but left-handed fighters did not show greater variance in fighting ability, a hypothesis suggested in previous studies. Overall we find strong evidence consistent with the fighting hypothesis.

It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.

From Rocky:

[Apollo is looking thru a book of Philadelphia fighters]

Jergens: What exactly are you looking for Apollo?

Apollo Creed: This is who I’m looking for. The Italian Stallion.

Jergens: Rocky Balboa? Never heard of him.

Apollo Creed: Look it’s the name, man. The I-talian Stallion. The media will eat it up. Now who discovered America? An Italian right? What better way to get it on than with one of its descendants?

Apollo’s Trainer: He’s a southpaw [lefthander]. I don’t want you messing with southpaws. They do everything backwards

Apollo Creed: Southpaw nothing. I’ll drop him in three. Apollo Creed meets the Italian Stallion. Now that sounds like a damn monster movie.

 
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  1. It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.

    Opponents are less familiar; I take them by surprise in racquetball. A few really struggle to return my left-handed serve. Some have lost to me for this reason alone.

    • Replies: @An Aging Tennis Player
    Left-handed players have an advantage in tennis. Nadal would not have been as supremely successful if he were right-handed. (Ditto for McEnroe years ago.) It's not simply the unfamiliarity; it's the fact that his most effective serve is out wide on the ad court. Federer's one-handed backhand is tennis's contribution to Civilization, but it fails him on the kick serve. Djokovic's two-handed backhand sacrifices in beauty what it gains in brutal effectiveness.
  2. “700 picked men, left-handed, as slingers…” this Old Testament quote shows our advantage; we’re able to go around your defense. Throw in better creativity, and well, you’ll be fleeing, and your wives and daughters lamenting.
    Just accept us as your masters, and the bloodshed will be kept to a minimum.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    But you've no advantage in a phalanx, and need specially built weapons even in a modren army unless you want a faceful of brass.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    Front rank, kneel! Second rank, shoulder your rifles! Face to your front. Mark your target when it comes. Face to your front ..
     
    Handedness went out with early bronze age axe and dagger duels, between "chosen men" of the local aristocracies (well in Europe at least). Range weapons (archery) and massed long pointy stick things make it irrelevant.
    Particularly for slingers. How in the hell do you bend a sling-bullet round the wall? Are you feckin Lionel Messi?
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Here's a remarkable left-handed slinger at his best (I actually saw him pitch against Detroit at Tiger Stadium in 1990):

    https://youtu.be/s-11R0f7I0g
  3. Anon[345] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.

    This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection. You would still get fewer and fewer per generation.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ. There’s a cognitive bias in seeing a lot of left-handers in a job and assuming that they are better than right handers, but this doesn’t survive a blind talent evaluation.

    Sinistrality is heritable, but at a lower rate than most traits, only 0.2 or 0.3, compared to 0.4 to 0.6 for most traits. This is about the same as the habitability of homosexuality, which is similarly something that should not survive natural selection. So it looks like something similar is happening, perhaps a genetic trait that does not directly cause the outcome, but when subject to a common de novo mutation in fetal development (this could even accommodate Cochran’s pathogen hypothesis) results in the outcome. Left handers suffer from a number of health and mental problems, relative to the general population, so a mutational component is logical.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ.
     
    This is untrue. There are two kinds of left-handedness:

    a) Left-handedness due to physiological trauma in the brain. Any damage to your left hemisphere is likely to make it more difficult for your right hand to operate, thus making you effectively left-handed. Mentally you're still left-brain dominated.

    b) An in-born laterality of the brain where the right hemisphere dominates.

    Type a) is likely to be low IQ, for obvious reasons. Type b) has a bigger IQ and is better at cognitive tasks in general; the right hemisphere is, in general, the IQ and 'knowledge work' hemisphere, while the left hemisphere is more about sequencing and getting tasks done.

    When a) and b) are averaged together, left-handed people have slightly lower IQ than right-handed ones, but if you control for b) only then it's a different picture.

    E.g., math departments of universities have statistically larger percentages of lefties than the general population.
    , @IC8
    "The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ."

    Do you have any evidence at all to back up this bullshit claim?
    , @failed
    Speaking as a lifetime enthusiastic heterosexual, with no descendants, I have known three men well who are married ambisexuals with numerous offspring. I believe that they met and married their wives with little screwing around with loose women, thus exposing themselves to less reproductive danger from bacteria, As well as attracting women who were primarily interested in sex-for-kids.
    , @RaceRealist88
    "This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection."

    "Natural selection" isn't a mechanism because it can't distinguish between coextensive traits (causes and correlates of causes).
  4. Left footed punters and kickers, Kenny Stabler, Steve Young to name two of the better leftie qbs.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I would add Boomer Esiason to your list, but they are the exceptions. I think lefty QB's are at a disadvantage because receivers aren't used to catching a lefty ball.
    , @Tipsy
    One of these days, there'll be a QB who is truly ambidextrous and can throw equally well left and right handedly. Like Pat Venditte in baseball. That option will completely throw off the defense, and probably the offense as well.
  5. It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting

    The most successful fought as converted southpaws, ie used the same stance as conventional and got knockouts with a deadly left hook, or score with the hook off the jab. The best example is Henry Cooper

    Anyway in a street fight it will be likely be his right he will throw so keep your left up as a guard. You throwing right cross to his jaw leaves you open to his strong left though (and vice versa). Thus on the street going first by throwing a big right first punch is the best way. Left handed people on the street have the advantage of going first because they are more impulsive. Left handers are much more likely to commit suicide.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Maybe in a street fight. But Ali was knocked on his ass only two times
    Both by left hooks. Henry Cooper and Joe Frazier.
  6. Baseball pitchers anyone?! Being right-handed I sort of hate to admit it, but I believe in the superiority of lefties. Well, except politically.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    Yeah, yeah, I know you've got your Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Warren Spahn and Sandy Koufax (aka Sanford Braun), but Johnson is highly anomalous. Out-sized height for a typical major league pitcher. I'll even throw you a bone and allow Tommy Glavin in the discussion. Just taking some of the all-time pitchers' stats from https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/:

    1. Career WAR (for pitchers) Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    2. Career ERA Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    3. Career Wins Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    4. Career Saves Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    5. Strikeouts Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP

    The righties will always gang up and eat eat the lefties' lunch. Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander, Nolan Ryan, Bob Feller, Mariano Rivera, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, I can keep going.......

    , @John Gritt
    Yeah nah. There is nothing inherent about "arm strength" of a lefty pitcher.

    By throwing left to a righty batter, the lefty hides the release of the ball for a fraction of a second more. The same is true of the righty pitcher to the left-handed batter.

    As hitting comes down to a decision of one-quarter of one-second as it is, hitting the opposite arm pitcher is slightly harder.
    , @Marty
    As an old college lefthander, I say I'd take big right-handed sink over over my little 84 mph tail anyday. Which is exactly how Jackie Jensen felt about it.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Baseball is the reverse of boxing where cross handedness puts you a disadvantage. I was talking to a bank worker in about 2002 who had been a minor league pitcher. He said he could throw 90 mph, but the big leagues didn't want 90 mph right handers like him, but they did want 90 mph left handers. Of course, now they want 96 mph pitchers. But it does seem weird.
  7. Stallone’s script and Carl Weathers’ performance in that scene were just perfect. Rocky-era Weathers is how I picture Reverend Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I never understood how Stallone could write an Oscar-winning movie.
  8. Left-handedness is also associated with homosexuality, so I wonder whether other advanatges balance this out.

    It wouldn’t entirely surprise me if lefties enjoyed an advantage in fighting on top of the surprise factor. The part of the brain that seems to control dancing is the right-side counterpart to the part that controls language (left Sylvian fissure).

  9. “Now that sounds like a damn monster movie.”

    It was Apollo’s worst nightmare.

  10. @Redneck farmer
    "700 picked men, left-handed, as slingers..." this Old Testament quote shows our advantage; we're able to go around your defense. Throw in better creativity, and well, you'll be fleeing, and your wives and daughters lamenting.
    Just accept us as your masters, and the bloodshed will be kept to a minimum.

    But you’ve no advantage in a phalanx, and need specially built weapons even in a modren army unless you want a faceful of brass.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Brass deflectors are a thing. I'm getting one for my Del-Ton slick-side. My Colt, no problem because of the deflector. AKs throw their empties forward of your face.
    Also, maniple beats phalanx. Also several cases where phalanxes were destroyed by light infantry in hilly terrain.
    , @Polynikes
    Be my guess as to why it doesn't translate outside of hand to hand combat. Most tools, including weapons, are malpurposed for lefties. I think lefties suffer a higher rate of accidents and accidentally deaths because of it.
  11. Actuaries are very disproportionately left handed, maybe a third. Actuaries also tend to confuse right and left, needing to shake whatever hand they write with to be sure.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Actuaries carry numerous probability distributions in their heads, at all times, so they cannot be held accountable for their conclusions.
  12. Less familiarity in fighting seems like the most obvious explanation.

    Boxers that fight left-handed (meaning that they jab with their right) seem to be rare. On the other hand, a lot of great conventional boxers have unusually powerful (left) jabs, George Foreman for example — maybe they’re natural lefties? Does anyone know?

    In tennis, being a lefty means you’re serving from your strong side in the ad court, where games are won.

    Lefties probably have their biggest advantage in baseball, since you do better as a hitter against a pitcher using the opposite arm, and most pitchers are righties. Lefties are still overrepresented at pitcher, though, presumably because of the unfamiliarity advantage. Maybe there’s more to it than structural advantages, though, since if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed.

    My sister is one of the few people I know who is an across-the-board lefty. I, on the other hand, write and eat left-handed, but do everything else right-handed. As a result, my right arm is an inch or two longer, and my right hand is noticeably bigger and stronger. I’m definitely not going to win any fights with my left.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    I think Foreman was more known for his right uppercut. The two who were most likely to have been converted left-handers were Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston. Frazier seemed to knock people out almost exclusively with his left hook (it’s what he knocked Ali down with). And Liston was reputed to have the most powerful left jab of all time. Opponents described it as like being hit by a tree trunk.
    , @Kratoklastes

    if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed
     
    A similar thing is true in cricket; great left-handed batsmen (Lara, Lloyd, Gower, Sobers, Pollock) seem to have a very 'leftie' elegance to their strokeplay. Gower in full flight was a study in effortless grace (Lloyd in full flight was a brutal bludgeoning of the bowling attack, but still graceful for a man his size)

    Even Larry Gomes - a white-ish West Indian from the 80s whose stance was awful - had exquisite timing and footwork. When I taught myself to bat left-handed, it was Gomes that I emulated. And former Australian captain Alan Border wasn't 'graceful' as such - probably because of his baseball background - but he was also worth watching just for his technique.

    In Australian Rules, "long, raking left-footers" are practically a cliché; again, something about their skill development gives them a different balance and poise when they swing onto the left - and the ball seems to take a slightly-lower, more-efficient trajectory. My guess is that they don't get taught bad habits by junior coaches - and they develop a technique that is inherently efficient. (Again: I taught myself to kick left-footed as a young teen - my left-foot technique is much cleaner than my right, which was the result of coaching).

    Kack-footers also seem to have superior spatial awareness - the ability to move 'in traffic' as we say. Current Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury is getting on a bit, but in his day his movement through traffic looked like it was in slow-motion... yet nobody could lay a tackle on him.

    Geoff Raines (a player from the 80s) is the only right-footed footy player I've ever seen that had the same grace as a 'good ordinary' left-footed wingman.
  13. In sports where handedness matters, righties often learn to fight/bat lefty to get an edge.

    “Bats left, fields right” is practically a baseball stereotype. I remember 90s heavyweight champion Michael Moorer was a natural righthander, but had trained as a southpaw.

    So that indicates unfamiliarity rather than genetic advantage.

    (The interesting group to study would be lefthanders trained as righthanders in the dark days of anti-lefty prejudice. Do those guys fight better right handed than regular righties?)

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Bats left, fields right
     
    You mean throws right. Of course, someone did field left AND throw left (Jim Abbott) but that was due to circumstance beyond his control.

    Anyway, the inverse (BR/TL) is rare, but I can think of two Hall of Famers who have that combination. They areRickey Henderson and Sandy Koufax, with the latter causing a lot of worry because his pitching arm was exposed when batting.
  14. This is “common knowledge” which has been around apparently for millenia. So has the intuitive explanation – lefties are used to fighting righties, but righties are not used to fighting lefties.

  15. Take it from someone who does historical fencing..lefties are a PITA. But if you train to fight them, they arent any harder than anyone else.

  16. The Cliff edge is very close now. Inigo is continually being forced toward it.

    INIGO
    I admit it — you are better than I am.

    MAN IN BLACK
    Then why are you smiling?

    Inches from defeat, Inigo is, in fact, all smiles.

    INIGO
    Because I know something you don’t know.

    MAN IN BLACK
    And what is that?

    INIGO
    I am not left-handed.

    And he throws the six-fingered sword into his right hand and immediately, the tide of battle turns.

    CUT TO:

    THE MAN IN BLACK

    is stunned, doing everything be can to keep Inigo by the Cliff edge. But no use. Slowly at first, he begins to retreat. Now faster, Inigo is in control and the Man In Black is desperate.

    MAN IN BLACK
    (hollering it out)
    There’s something I ought to tell you.

    INIGO
    Tell me.

    MAN IN BLACK
    I am not left-handed either.

  17. @Dave Pinsen
    Stallone’s script and Carl Weathers’ performance in that scene were just perfect. Rocky-era Weathers is how I picture Reverend Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities.

    I never understood how Stallone could write an Oscar-winning movie.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    If it makes you feel better, Stallone himself didn't win an Oscar, losing to Paddy Chayefsky for Network.

    Robert Chartoff & Irwin Winkler, John G. Avildsen, and Richard Halsey & Scott Conrad won Oscars for Rocky.
    , @J.Ross
    The best part about that anecdote is that Sylvester's older brother is a trained proper thespian, whom nobody has ever heard of.
    But it's not so shocking that Stallone wrote an Oscar-winning blockbuster script if we consider what that script is about: a sports-specific update of the American dream, trading street credibility for other movie conventions. If Stallone adapted Gravity's Rainbow then yeah that would be a sign to stop drinking.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Perhaps Stallone the person is much more intelligent than the characters he typically portrays on screen?
  18. @Hallie Scott Kline

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    Opponents are less familiar; I take them by surprise in racquetball. A few really struggle to return my left-handed serve. Some have lost to me for this reason alone.

    Left-handed players have an advantage in tennis. Nadal would not have been as supremely successful if he were right-handed. (Ditto for McEnroe years ago.) It’s not simply the unfamiliarity; it’s the fact that his most effective serve is out wide on the ad court. Federer’s one-handed backhand is tennis’s contribution to Civilization, but it fails him on the kick serve. Djokovic’s two-handed backhand sacrifices in beauty what it gains in brutal effectiveness.

  19. @HammerJack
    Baseball pitchers anyone?! Being right-handed I sort of hate to admit it, but I believe in the superiority of lefties. Well, except politically.

    Yeah, yeah, I know you’ve got your Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Warren Spahn and Sandy Koufax (aka Sanford Braun), but Johnson is highly anomalous. Out-sized height for a typical major league pitcher. I’ll even throw you a bone and allow Tommy Glavin in the discussion. Just taking some of the all-time pitchers’ stats from https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/:

    1. Career WAR (for pitchers) Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    2. Career ERA Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    3. Career Wins Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    4. Career Saves Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    5. Strikeouts Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP

    The righties will always gang up and eat eat the lefties’ lunch. Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander, Nolan Ryan, Bob Feller, Mariano Rivera, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, I can keep going…….

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    OK. I feel less inferior now thanks.
    , @Keypusher
    Since I think righties outnumber lefties 9:1, lefties are overrepresented among great pitchers, it looks like. Of course lefties are far more overrepresented among great hitters.
  20. @Oleaginous Outrager
    But you've no advantage in a phalanx, and need specially built weapons even in a modren army unless you want a faceful of brass.

    Brass deflectors are a thing. I’m getting one for my Del-Ton slick-side. My Colt, no problem because of the deflector. AKs throw their empties forward of your face.
    Also, maniple beats phalanx. Also several cases where phalanxes were destroyed by light infantry in hilly terrain.

  21. Shooting a rifle or shotgun can become very difficult for a right-hander who loses vision in his right eye.* Sighting the firearm with his left eye requires mounting it on his left shoulder, which is awkward. After World War I, faced with an increasing number of now one-eyed people, British gunmakers developed “cripple stock” shotguns, whose curved stocks allowed them to be mounted on the right shoulder and sighted with the left eye. Remaining examples are valuable collector’s items.

    * = the same would be true for a left-hander with vision loss in his left eye, of course.

    • Replies: @alaska3636
    I have cross-dominant vision: right-handed and left dominant eye. I'm terrible at shooting skeet with shotguns. I don't seem to have a problem with rifles and handguns though.
    , @Deckin
    Eye dominance (what matters in sighting) and hand dominance are different things. I'm not sure how common it is for those to come apart, but in my case, I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a handful of rice shooting a rifle or shotgun until some instructor saw me and simply had me do it with the butt of the gun on my left shoulder--sighting with my left eye.
  22. @Keypusher
    Less familiarity in fighting seems like the most obvious explanation.

    Boxers that fight left-handed (meaning that they jab with their right) seem to be rare. On the other hand, a lot of great conventional boxers have unusually powerful (left) jabs, George Foreman for example — maybe they’re natural lefties? Does anyone know?

    In tennis, being a lefty means you’re serving from your strong side in the ad court, where games are won.

    Lefties probably have their biggest advantage in baseball, since you do better as a hitter against a pitcher using the opposite arm, and most pitchers are righties. Lefties are still overrepresented at pitcher, though, presumably because of the unfamiliarity advantage. Maybe there’s more to it than structural advantages, though, since if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed.

    My sister is one of the few people I know who is an across-the-board lefty. I, on the other hand, write and eat left-handed, but do everything else right-handed. As a result, my right arm is an inch or two longer, and my right hand is noticeably bigger and stronger. I’m definitely not going to win any fights with my left.

    I think Foreman was more known for his right uppercut. The two who were most likely to have been converted left-handers were Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston. Frazier seemed to knock people out almost exclusively with his left hook (it’s what he knocked Ali down with). And Liston was reputed to have the most powerful left jab of all time. Opponents described it as like being hit by a tree trunk.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Yeah, your examples are better. After I’d posted I was thinking that Foreman’s opponents had way more nightmares about his right than his left.

    I guess basketball is a sport where you really need to be able to shoot with either hand, though you’ll probably be better with one. My dad told me back in the day that George McGinniss was the only big star who basically could only shoot with one hand. Don’t know if that is true, or how things are nowadays.

  23. I have seen left handed guitarists but never a left handed violin player. Hendrix was supposedly right handed and used his right on the frets because he thought fretting was more demanding.

    Here is your vocabulary word for the day:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situs_inversus

    Situs inversus. .01% of the population. 1 in ten thousand.

  24. My paternal grandfather was a natural lefty forced to use his right hand by the early 20th century school system. He became functionally ambidextrous and a top-flight Linotype operator. Not a gamesplayer, though.

  25. @Discordiax
    In sports where handedness matters, righties often learn to fight/bat lefty to get an edge.

    "Bats left, fields right" is practically a baseball stereotype. I remember 90s heavyweight champion Michael Moorer was a natural righthander, but had trained as a southpaw.

    So that indicates unfamiliarity rather than genetic advantage.

    (The interesting group to study would be lefthanders trained as righthanders in the dark days of anti-lefty prejudice. Do those guys fight better right handed than regular righties?)

    Bats left, fields right

    You mean throws right. Of course, someone did field left AND throw left (Jim Abbott) but that was due to circumstance beyond his control.

    Anyway, the inverse (BR/TL) is rare, but I can think of two Hall of Famers who have that combination. They are

    [MORE]
    Rickey Henderson and Sandy Koufax, with the latter causing a lot of worry because his pitching arm was exposed when batting.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Gio Gonzalez bats right, throws left. Though pretty sure he's not going to the HOF.
  26. @CK
    Left footed punters and kickers, Kenny Stabler, Steve Young to name two of the better leftie qbs.

    I would add Boomer Esiason to your list, but they are the exceptions. I think lefty QB’s are at a disadvantage because receivers aren’t used to catching a lefty ball.

    • Replies: @Carbolibre
    Not to mention that left handed QB’s have their blind side in right side of line. For adequate protection of a leftie, you need a right tackle as big, fast and intelligent as the average left tackle in today’s NFL. Hell, the entire offensive line has to be flipped in mirror image fashion. Assembling that group requires lots of work and luck.
  27. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    One positive change that has flown pretty much below the American sports radar has been the great success and yes, domination of the middle and heavier weight boxing divisions by White boxers from Europe and the UK.

    Since the retirement of the excellent Black British boxer Lennox Lewis, there have been almost no Black or non White boxing champs except for the lowest weight divisions like Floyd Merriweather.

    If Floyd Merriweather came in to a a bar I was in, I’d order him a child’s high chair and tell him he had to behave himself.

    🙂

    Joe Calzaghe retired undefeated in his career and won everything from Middle Weight up to light heavyweight.

    The Klitscho brothers dominated the HW division for ~ 15 years.

    Now Tyson Furry (also his cousin also named Furry) are the Best.

    Tyson Furry is an Irish Traveller Gypsy from England/UK – he’s the funniest boxer since Muhammed Ali – very politically incorrect and traditional Catholic.

    I strongly urge Unz Magazine readers to start supporting boxing. American Football, basketball and certain international Soccer teams like France, are the only sports now dominated by low class Blacks/Arabs.

    JR
    Left Behind in Chicago

  28. Not if you are a lefty who is cross dominant like me. I am left handed, but right eyed and right footed, so I’m a klutz at most sports since my wires are crossed. I’ve never bothered to even try to shoot left-handed since it is just as easy to pull a trigger or operate a bolt right handed as left.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Shoot from the side with your dominant eye.
  29. @prosa123
    Shooting a rifle or shotgun can become very difficult for a right-hander who loses vision in his right eye.* Sighting the firearm with his left eye requires mounting it on his left shoulder, which is awkward. After World War I, faced with an increasing number of now one-eyed people, British gunmakers developed "cripple stock" shotguns, whose curved stocks allowed them to be mounted on the right shoulder and sighted with the left eye. Remaining examples are valuable collector's items.

    * = the same would be true for a left-hander with vision loss in his left eye, of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcVFrk7omk

    I have cross-dominant vision: right-handed and left dominant eye. I’m terrible at shooting skeet with shotguns. I don’t seem to have a problem with rifles and handguns though.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    I am like you. Try shooting from the left. Yes, that will slow you down but you will be much more accurate.
  30. In my personal experience, southpaws tend to be inferior, generally at most sports.

  31. Left handedness is associated with brain immaturity on one side of the brain, not fully developed.

  32. @HammerJack
    Baseball pitchers anyone?! Being right-handed I sort of hate to admit it, but I believe in the superiority of lefties. Well, except politically.

    Yeah nah. There is nothing inherent about “arm strength” of a lefty pitcher.

    By throwing left to a righty batter, the lefty hides the release of the ball for a fraction of a second more. The same is true of the righty pitcher to the left-handed batter.

    As hitting comes down to a decision of one-quarter of one-second as it is, hitting the opposite arm pitcher is slightly harder.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    hitting the opposite arm pitcher is slightly harder
     
    Statistics don't bear this out. Generally speaking, a switch hitter will select the opposite of whatever the pitcher is.
  33. I am right handed but after slightly hyper extending my left (jabbing) arm i had to start jabbing with my right. Now my skill level as a southpaw is LESS than my skill level orthodox, and yet i was able to make problems for my sparring partners as a lefty that I wasnt making orthodox. I think this is mostly because i circle to their left instead of right, moving away from their power while lining up my power hand for a straight shot to the kisser. Also in kickboxing the southpaw stance substantially protects one from a leg attack since your vulnerable left leg is now the rear leg, making it a tough target. In general defense is easier as a lefty. All this would suggest though not prove that the fight game is mostly about training and repetition and the major advantage of the southpaw is not innate ability but rather unfamiliarity on the part of orthodox fighters with the muscle memory required to compete with southpaws. For what its worth i have heard pro trainers say that southpaw fighters also have a problem with southpaws. Southpaws, like orthodox fighters, spend most of their time sparring against orthodox partners. Also suggesting that familiarity, not talent is not the major factor involved.

  34. My left handed uncle taught me how to box, so I stand with my right hand extended and jab with my power hand. Works.

    • Replies: @Truth
    BS!

    I'll pick you up tomorrow so we can go to Groove Lounge and test your theory.

    https://buffalonews.com/2019/03/26/groove-lounge-shut-down-again-after-fatal-weekend-shooting/
    `
  35. @prosa123
    Shooting a rifle or shotgun can become very difficult for a right-hander who loses vision in his right eye.* Sighting the firearm with his left eye requires mounting it on his left shoulder, which is awkward. After World War I, faced with an increasing number of now one-eyed people, British gunmakers developed "cripple stock" shotguns, whose curved stocks allowed them to be mounted on the right shoulder and sighted with the left eye. Remaining examples are valuable collector's items.

    * = the same would be true for a left-hander with vision loss in his left eye, of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcVFrk7omk

    Eye dominance (what matters in sighting) and hand dominance are different things. I’m not sure how common it is for those to come apart, but in my case, I couldn’t hit a bull in the butt with a handful of rice shooting a rifle or shotgun until some instructor saw me and simply had me do it with the butt of the gun on my left shoulder–sighting with my left eye.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    I'm right handed and left eyed. Sometimes I turn my head sideways when I shoot and look to the side (which is then straight) but I've had better luck just closing my left eye. My right eye does not see as well though.
    , @PV van der Byl
    You got it! As a kid, I looked comical sighting hand guns. Then, I started shooting rifles and shotguns from the left.
    Amazing improvement!
  36. @HammerJack
    Baseball pitchers anyone?! Being right-handed I sort of hate to admit it, but I believe in the superiority of lefties. Well, except politically.

    As an old college lefthander, I say I’d take big right-handed sink over over my little 84 mph tail anyday. Which is exactly how Jackie Jensen felt about it.

  37. I had to learn to shoot a basketball left-handed at 13 after blowing my right arm out throwing too many curveballs. It always felt more mechanical than natural, but eventually that meant more repeatable so I became a good shot.

  38. @Buffalo Joe
    My left handed uncle taught me how to box, so I stand with my right hand extended and jab with my power hand. Works.

    BS!

    I’ll pick you up tomorrow so we can go to Groove Lounge and test your theory.

    https://buffalonews.com/2019/03/26/groove-lounge-shut-down-again-after-fatal-weekend-shooting/
    `

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Truth, wrong neighborhood for a beer. And, just so you know, I never fought to win. I fought to hurt. But we're good.
  39. @CK
    Left footed punters and kickers, Kenny Stabler, Steve Young to name two of the better leftie qbs.

    One of these days, there’ll be a QB who is truly ambidextrous and can throw equally well left and right handedly. Like Pat Venditte in baseball. That option will completely throw off the defense, and probably the offense as well.

  40. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I think Foreman was more known for his right uppercut. The two who were most likely to have been converted left-handers were Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston. Frazier seemed to knock people out almost exclusively with his left hook (it’s what he knocked Ali down with). And Liston was reputed to have the most powerful left jab of all time. Opponents described it as like being hit by a tree trunk.

    Yeah, your examples are better. After I’d posted I was thinking that Foreman’s opponents had way more nightmares about his right than his left.

    I guess basketball is a sport where you really need to be able to shoot with either hand, though you’ll probably be better with one. My dad told me back in the day that George McGinniss was the only big star who basically could only shoot with one hand. Don’t know if that is true, or how things are nowadays.

  41. I used to fence in college. Lefties do indeed have an advantage but their own advantage evaporates when they face another left handed fencer because they aren’t used to facing other lefties, but then again their lefty opponent has the same problem so it’s a wash there.

  42. “It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.”

    The latter.

  43. @Anon

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection. You would still get fewer and fewer per generation.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ. There's a cognitive bias in seeing a lot of left-handers in a job and assuming that they are better than right handers, but this doesn't survive a blind talent evaluation.

    Sinistrality is heritable, but at a lower rate than most traits, only 0.2 or 0.3, compared to 0.4 to 0.6 for most traits. This is about the same as the habitability of homosexuality, which is similarly something that should not survive natural selection. So it looks like something similar is happening, perhaps a genetic trait that does not directly cause the outcome, but when subject to a common de novo mutation in fetal development (this could even accommodate Cochran's pathogen hypothesis) results in the outcome. Left handers suffer from a number of health and mental problems, relative to the general population, so a mutational component is logical.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ.

    This is untrue. There are two kinds of left-handedness:

    a) Left-handedness due to physiological trauma in the brain. Any damage to your left hemisphere is likely to make it more difficult for your right hand to operate, thus making you effectively left-handed. Mentally you’re still left-brain dominated.

    b) An in-born laterality of the brain where the right hemisphere dominates.

    Type a) is likely to be low IQ, for obvious reasons. Type b) has a bigger IQ and is better at cognitive tasks in general; the right hemisphere is, in general, the IQ and ‘knowledge work’ hemisphere, while the left hemisphere is more about sequencing and getting tasks done.

    When a) and b) are averaged together, left-handed people have slightly lower IQ than right-handed ones, but if you control for b) only then it’s a different picture.

    E.g., math departments of universities have statistically larger percentages of lefties than the general population.

  44. @songbird
    I never understood how Stallone could write an Oscar-winning movie.

    If it makes you feel better, Stallone himself didn’t win an Oscar, losing to Paddy Chayefsky for Network.

    Robert Chartoff & Irwin Winkler, John G. Avildsen, and Richard Halsey & Scott Conrad won Oscars for Rocky.

  45. @John Gritt
    Yeah nah. There is nothing inherent about "arm strength" of a lefty pitcher.

    By throwing left to a righty batter, the lefty hides the release of the ball for a fraction of a second more. The same is true of the righty pitcher to the left-handed batter.

    As hitting comes down to a decision of one-quarter of one-second as it is, hitting the opposite arm pitcher is slightly harder.

    hitting the opposite arm pitcher is slightly harder

    Statistics don’t bear this out. Generally speaking, a switch hitter will select the opposite of whatever the pitcher is.

  46. Left handers are clearly more prone to being athletic. I see them greatly over represented in the broad jump, which requires as much as speed as it does of jumping ability. Lefties jump of the right foot, righties the left. So many other examples, it’s no contest. They simply can get more out of their bodies than righties can.
    One more example: Five major league pitchers have broken their arms mid pitch. It is an ugly sight because the arm looks like a RaggedyAann doll flopping around. All are left handed.

  47. @Truth
    BS!

    I'll pick you up tomorrow so we can go to Groove Lounge and test your theory.

    https://buffalonews.com/2019/03/26/groove-lounge-shut-down-again-after-fatal-weekend-shooting/
    `

    Truth, wrong neighborhood for a beer. And, just so you know, I never fought to win. I fought to hurt. But we’re good.

  48. It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.

    I was a Fencer in college. Now I was not all that good. Maybe 50/50 with the others in my classes. But since I am left-handed my coach said I would be at a disadvantage because my stance would put areas normally out of the target window in the target window. That is, my back was more exposed to a right-handed fencer.

    Like I said. I was not that good. But it seemed a bit obtuse that since I fenced right-handers almost all of the time, and they fenced with lefties only on occasion, and I had the same view of them and target window, why were they not the ones facing the disadvantage? I always found any other left-hander much more difficult to fence.

    Long story short. 95% of the time I fenced a mirror image. The right-handers fence a mirror image maybe 05% of the time.

    Go figure.

  49. @Deckin
    Eye dominance (what matters in sighting) and hand dominance are different things. I'm not sure how common it is for those to come apart, but in my case, I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a handful of rice shooting a rifle or shotgun until some instructor saw me and simply had me do it with the butt of the gun on my left shoulder--sighting with my left eye.

    I’m right handed and left eyed. Sometimes I turn my head sideways when I shoot and look to the side (which is then straight) but I’ve had better luck just closing my left eye. My right eye does not see as well though.

  50. …left-handed men are overrepresented among modern professional fighters, but studies typically find no difference in fighting success between left and right-handed fighters.

    Maybe, as with other minorities, they’re just bad at everything else?

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    If lefties are statistically overrepresented and equally successful, then they have an advantage— handedness, presumably, but maybe something else.
  51. @Anon

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection. You would still get fewer and fewer per generation.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ. There's a cognitive bias in seeing a lot of left-handers in a job and assuming that they are better than right handers, but this doesn't survive a blind talent evaluation.

    Sinistrality is heritable, but at a lower rate than most traits, only 0.2 or 0.3, compared to 0.4 to 0.6 for most traits. This is about the same as the habitability of homosexuality, which is similarly something that should not survive natural selection. So it looks like something similar is happening, perhaps a genetic trait that does not directly cause the outcome, but when subject to a common de novo mutation in fetal development (this could even accommodate Cochran's pathogen hypothesis) results in the outcome. Left handers suffer from a number of health and mental problems, relative to the general population, so a mutational component is logical.

    “The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ.”

    Do you have any evidence at all to back up this bullshit claim?

    • Replies: @Anon

    Do you have any evidence at all to back up this bullshit claim?
     
    The Wikipedia entry is "Handedness," but Lance Welton here at Unz had an excellent roundup, linked to sources, of sinistrality research here at Unz last year:

    http://www.unz.com/article/are-southpaws-really-sinister-increased-incidence-suggests-were-headed-for-mouse-utopia-collapse/

    The IQ difference is small, 1 point, but for instance, this means that at the right tail above an IQ of 130, there is a difference in population proportionality of 54 percent right handers to 46 percent left handers within their populations (i.e., 2.28 percent of right handers fall in that range versus 1.94 percent of left handers).

    As Welton writes, modern society's dysgenic tendancies are resulting in more left handers. Photography-era estimates can be made from crowd scenes where hands are waving. What's more, the number of men masturbating to internet pornography with their left hands is exponentially increasing, which may well lead to an extinction-level fertility crisis.
  52. @Anon

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection. You would still get fewer and fewer per generation.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ. There's a cognitive bias in seeing a lot of left-handers in a job and assuming that they are better than right handers, but this doesn't survive a blind talent evaluation.

    Sinistrality is heritable, but at a lower rate than most traits, only 0.2 or 0.3, compared to 0.4 to 0.6 for most traits. This is about the same as the habitability of homosexuality, which is similarly something that should not survive natural selection. So it looks like something similar is happening, perhaps a genetic trait that does not directly cause the outcome, but when subject to a common de novo mutation in fetal development (this could even accommodate Cochran's pathogen hypothesis) results in the outcome. Left handers suffer from a number of health and mental problems, relative to the general population, so a mutational component is logical.

    Speaking as a lifetime enthusiastic heterosexual, with no descendants, I have known three men well who are married ambisexuals with numerous offspring. I believe that they met and married their wives with little screwing around with loose women, thus exposing themselves to less reproductive danger from bacteria, As well as attracting women who were primarily interested in sex-for-kids.

  53. very old news. not just knowledge of left handed athletes in baseball and boxing going back 100 years. but scholarly studies of this left hand effect in sports going back 30 or 40 years. also applies to tennis. left handed tennis players win more.

    the thought, correct in my opinion, is that the right handers are just less used to left hands coming in, whether it’s tennis or boxing. and that’s what helps the left handers. evander holyfield was 0-3 against left handed boxers. roger federer refuses to use a two handed backhand against left handed nadal, which causes him to almost always lose.

    when left handers go against other left handers their advantage disappears.

    more modern news – left footed punters get better results in football. the ball spins in the opposite direction of what returners are used to, and they tend to drop and fumble the punt more. the patriots have had a left footed punter for the entire time belichick has been coach, and it’s very much on purpose.

    the more interesting question, the general question about handedness. why do humans have it, why the right hand, what causes humans to develop left handedness. is left handedness a sign of other genetic issues. is it becoming more common. why aren’t humans ambidextrous. and so forth. we have less understanding of this. other than, handedness mattered, back when throwing things mattered for survival. we’re aware that neanderthals were very right handed.

    pretty well understood though is why men are handed for throwing, but women can’t throw.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    why aren’t humans ambidextrous.

     

    Probably because for most things humans do, learning it on one side is enough to get the job done a very large proportion of the time. The benefit of developing the same dexterity (HA!!!) on both sides is outweighed by the cost.

    Becoming ambidextrous is costly - it's less than twice as costly as developing one-sided dexterity, because of how learning works (making new connections, reinforcing them through repetition... some circuitry will be common for both sides).

    Most animals - including humans - are not internally symmetric, and the asymmetry extends to the brain - which is why handedness is a thing for a bunch of things other than us naked chimps.

    A different question is why right-handedness is so dominant: only about 1 in 10 people are kack-handed, and it seems like there's some genetic underpinning to it (i.e., it's not just that their mothers are obviously witches). Something must have selected for the genes that cause correct-handed people to so dominate the human gene pool.
  54. Once again, these free academic archive sites are awesome. The code and data for this paper is available so I can actually investigate some questions I have on it on my own.

  55. @Captain Tripps
    Yeah, yeah, I know you've got your Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Warren Spahn and Sandy Koufax (aka Sanford Braun), but Johnson is highly anomalous. Out-sized height for a typical major league pitcher. I'll even throw you a bone and allow Tommy Glavin in the discussion. Just taking some of the all-time pitchers' stats from https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/:

    1. Career WAR (for pitchers) Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    2. Career ERA Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    3. Career Wins Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    4. Career Saves Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    5. Strikeouts Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP

    The righties will always gang up and eat eat the lefties' lunch. Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander, Nolan Ryan, Bob Feller, Mariano Rivera, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, I can keep going.......

    OK. I feel less inferior now thanks.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  56. @ScarletNumber

    Bats left, fields right
     
    You mean throws right. Of course, someone did field left AND throw left (Jim Abbott) but that was due to circumstance beyond his control.

    Anyway, the inverse (BR/TL) is rare, but I can think of two Hall of Famers who have that combination. They areRickey Henderson and Sandy Koufax, with the latter causing a lot of worry because his pitching arm was exposed when batting.

    Gio Gonzalez bats right, throws left. Though pretty sure he’s not going to the HOF.

  57. @HammerJack
    Baseball pitchers anyone?! Being right-handed I sort of hate to admit it, but I believe in the superiority of lefties. Well, except politically.

    Baseball is the reverse of boxing where cross handedness puts you a disadvantage. I was talking to a bank worker in about 2002 who had been a minor league pitcher. He said he could throw 90 mph, but the big leagues didn’t want 90 mph right handers like him, but they did want 90 mph left handers. Of course, now they want 96 mph pitchers. But it does seem weird.

  58. J.Ross says: • Website
    @songbird
    I never understood how Stallone could write an Oscar-winning movie.

    The best part about that anecdote is that Sylvester’s older brother is a trained proper thespian, whom nobody has ever heard of.
    But it’s not so shocking that Stallone wrote an Oscar-winning blockbuster script if we consider what that script is about: a sports-specific update of the American dream, trading street credibility for other movie conventions. If Stallone adapted Gravity’s Rainbow then yeah that would be a sign to stop drinking.

  59. I’m an old woman who is mostly left handed. It’s the dominant hand in that I use it for writing and eating though when as a child I broke my left arm twice, each time I learned easily enough to do everything as a Righty. Played tennis right handed and shot long guns right hand and softball too. Shoot handguns either hand and played a devastatingly effective game of badminton as an ambidextrous killer player.

  60. It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.

    There isn’t a difference here. If you have a edge over someone, you are a better fighter.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There is an argument in baseball over why lefthanded pitchers are so common, even though they are at a disadvantage relative to the more common righthanded batters because righty batters can see lefty pitchers better than they can see righty pitchers. There is a widespread belief that lefty pitchers on average have more movement on their pitches. So that would be an inherent as opposed to situational advantage.
  61. @Brett

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    There isn't a difference here. If you have a edge over someone, you are a better fighter.

    There is an argument in baseball over why lefthanded pitchers are so common, even though they are at a disadvantage relative to the more common righthanded batters because righty batters can see lefty pitchers better than they can see righty pitchers. There is a widespread belief that lefty pitchers on average have more movement on their pitches. So that would be an inherent as opposed to situational advantage.

  62. @songbird
    I never understood how Stallone could write an Oscar-winning movie.

    Perhaps Stallone the person is much more intelligent than the characters he typically portrays on screen?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sylvester Stallone only wrote one of the most successful and influential movie screenplays since "Casablanca," which was instantly recognized as such: the producers mortgaged their houses to buy the rights to the screenplay and even gave in to the writer's demand that he play Rocky himself rather than they sign a famous leading man for the role.
  63. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Perhaps Stallone the person is much more intelligent than the characters he typically portrays on screen?

    Sylvester Stallone only wrote one of the most successful and influential movie screenplays since “Casablanca,” which was instantly recognized as such: the producers mortgaged their houses to buy the rights to the screenplay and even gave in to the writer’s demand that he play Rocky himself rather than they sign a famous leading man for the role.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  64. @Captain Tripps
    Yeah, yeah, I know you've got your Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Warren Spahn and Sandy Koufax (aka Sanford Braun), but Johnson is highly anomalous. Out-sized height for a typical major league pitcher. I'll even throw you a bone and allow Tommy Glavin in the discussion. Just taking some of the all-time pitchers' stats from https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/:

    1. Career WAR (for pitchers) Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    2. Career ERA Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    3. Career Wins Top 10; 9 RHP, 1 LHP
    4. Career Saves Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP
    5. Strikeouts Top 10; 8 RHP, 2 LHP

    The righties will always gang up and eat eat the lefties' lunch. Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander, Nolan Ryan, Bob Feller, Mariano Rivera, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, I can keep going.......

    Since I think righties outnumber lefties 9:1, lefties are overrepresented among great pitchers, it looks like. Of course lefties are far more overrepresented among great hitters.

  65. @Reg Cæsar

    ...left-handed men are overrepresented among modern professional fighters, but studies typically find no difference in fighting success between left and right-handed fighters.
     
    Maybe, as with other minorities, they're just bad at everything else?

    If lefties are statistically overrepresented and equally successful, then they have an advantage— handedness, presumably, but maybe something else.

  66. @Oleaginous Outrager
    But you've no advantage in a phalanx, and need specially built weapons even in a modren army unless you want a faceful of brass.

    Be my guess as to why it doesn’t translate outside of hand to hand combat. Most tools, including weapons, are malpurposed for lefties. I think lefties suffer a higher rate of accidents and accidentally deaths because of it.

  67. @Alfa158
    Not if you are a lefty who is cross dominant like me. I am left handed, but right eyed and right footed, so I’m a klutz at most sports since my wires are crossed. I’ve never bothered to even try to shoot left-handed since it is just as easy to pull a trigger or operate a bolt right handed as left.

    Shoot from the side with your dominant eye.

  68. interesting football versus baseball situation here though.

    i believe there are currently zero left handed starters in the NFL, so 0 out of 32. adding in the backups, there’s almost no left handed quarterbacks in the entire league. the bias towards right handed throwers is HUGE.

    whereas left handed pitchers in baseball are way, way over represented. in fact, probably one of the most amazing things in all of sports is how baseball finds literally every single one of the available left handed men in the entire world who can throw a baseball over 80 mph.

    probably more amazing than how basketball finds every last one of the 7 foot men on earth who can passably play in the paint. i think steve’s calculation was that there were 70 men over 7 feet in the entire US between 20 and 40. so basketball has found literally every single one of them that can play.

    lots of them can’t play. the current world’s strongest man, and the second strongest man in the world as well, were both mediocre college basketball players.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I could see myself having had Chuck Nevitt's lengthy NBA career of waving his arms around in front of the in-bounds passer on the final play of the game if I'd been a foot taller.
    , @anon
    "probably more amazing than how basketball finds every last one of the 7 foot men on earth who can passably play in the paint. i think steve’s calculation was that there were 70 men over 7 feet in the entire US between 20 and 40. so basketball has found literally every single one of them that can play."

    It seems like the number of 7-footers should be higher than 70 in a country of 330M people.
    Basketball countries like Serbia, Croatia, and Lithuania each seem to have 7-footers well into the double digits. At least 5 seven-footers from Lithuania (pop. 3M) have played in the NBA, and more have been drafted but not played. Serbia (pop. 10M) had at least a dozen 7-footers at one time or another. Those are just the ones good enough to play or at least be drafted in the NBA, there are many more playing in Europe or not playing basketball.
    Iceland (pop. 300K) has at least one 7-footer who'll probably be in the NBA soon.
    The current World's Strongest Man (The Mountain in GoT, another Icelander Halfthor Bjornsson) is "only" 6-9, but was probably too heavy for pro basketball. I've seen videos of him playing one-on-one; really nimble for a 400-pound guy, but I can't imagine he'd be able to avoid chronic leg injuries playing serious basketball at his natural weight.

    I've met actual 7-footers who never played basketball at all. A lot of folks taller than 7 feet can't play any sports, let alone NBA basketball.

  69. Anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @IC8
    "The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ."

    Do you have any evidence at all to back up this bullshit claim?

    Do you have any evidence at all to back up this bullshit claim?

    The Wikipedia entry is “Handedness,” but Lance Welton here at Unz had an excellent roundup, linked to sources, of sinistrality research here at Unz last year:

    http://www.unz.com/article/are-southpaws-really-sinister-increased-incidence-suggests-were-headed-for-mouse-utopia-collapse/

    The IQ difference is small, 1 point, but for instance, this means that at the right tail above an IQ of 130, there is a difference in population proportionality of 54 percent right handers to 46 percent left handers within their populations (i.e., 2.28 percent of right handers fall in that range versus 1.94 percent of left handers).

    As Welton writes, modern society’s dysgenic tendancies are resulting in more left handers. Photography-era estimates can be made from crowd scenes where hands are waving. What’s more, the number of men masturbating to internet pornography with their left hands is exponentially increasing, which may well lead to an extinction-level fertility crisis.

  70. @prime noticer
    interesting football versus baseball situation here though.

    i believe there are currently zero left handed starters in the NFL, so 0 out of 32. adding in the backups, there's almost no left handed quarterbacks in the entire league. the bias towards right handed throwers is HUGE.

    whereas left handed pitchers in baseball are way, way over represented. in fact, probably one of the most amazing things in all of sports is how baseball finds literally every single one of the available left handed men in the entire world who can throw a baseball over 80 mph.

    probably more amazing than how basketball finds every last one of the 7 foot men on earth who can passably play in the paint. i think steve's calculation was that there were 70 men over 7 feet in the entire US between 20 and 40. so basketball has found literally every single one of them that can play.

    lots of them can't play. the current world's strongest man, and the second strongest man in the world as well, were both mediocre college basketball players.

    I could see myself having had Chuck Nevitt’s lengthy NBA career of waving his arms around in front of the in-bounds passer on the final play of the game if I’d been a foot taller.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Not sure your current role is much more effective. Regession to the mean? Still, you are the best. Miss Heartiste, but you are King.
  71. @Keypusher
    Less familiarity in fighting seems like the most obvious explanation.

    Boxers that fight left-handed (meaning that they jab with their right) seem to be rare. On the other hand, a lot of great conventional boxers have unusually powerful (left) jabs, George Foreman for example — maybe they’re natural lefties? Does anyone know?

    In tennis, being a lefty means you’re serving from your strong side in the ad court, where games are won.

    Lefties probably have their biggest advantage in baseball, since you do better as a hitter against a pitcher using the opposite arm, and most pitchers are righties. Lefties are still overrepresented at pitcher, though, presumably because of the unfamiliarity advantage. Maybe there’s more to it than structural advantages, though, since if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed.

    My sister is one of the few people I know who is an across-the-board lefty. I, on the other hand, write and eat left-handed, but do everything else right-handed. As a result, my right arm is an inch or two longer, and my right hand is noticeably bigger and stronger. I’m definitely not going to win any fights with my left.

    if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed

    A similar thing is true in cricket; great left-handed batsmen (Lara, Lloyd, Gower, Sobers, Pollock) seem to have a very ‘leftie’ elegance to their strokeplay. Gower in full flight was a study in effortless grace (Lloyd in full flight was a brutal bludgeoning of the bowling attack, but still graceful for a man his size)

    Even Larry Gomes – a white-ish West Indian from the 80s whose stance was awful – had exquisite timing and footwork. When I taught myself to bat left-handed, it was Gomes that I emulated. And former Australian captain Alan Border wasn’t ‘graceful’ as such – probably because of his baseball background – but he was also worth watching just for his technique.

    In Australian Rules, “long, raking left-footers” are practically a cliché; again, something about their skill development gives them a different balance and poise when they swing onto the left – and the ball seems to take a slightly-lower, more-efficient trajectory. My guess is that they don’t get taught bad habits by junior coaches – and they develop a technique that is inherently efficient. (Again: I taught myself to kick left-footed as a young teen – my left-foot technique is much cleaner than my right, which was the result of coaching).

    Kack-footers also seem to have superior spatial awareness – the ability to move ‘in traffic’ as we say. Current Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury is getting on a bit, but in his day his movement through traffic looked like it was in slow-motion… yet nobody could lay a tackle on him.

    Geoff Raines (a player from the 80s) is the only right-footed footy player I’ve ever seen that had the same grace as a ‘good ordinary’ left-footed wingman.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Left -- inclusive; right -- decisive. The left incites right indecision, and strikes. The right shows catastrophic consequence of inclusion, and dithers, What we have is a failure in decision.
    , @Keypusher
    Thanks, very interesting. Bradman is pretty much the only cricket player I know anything about. Was he lefty? Was he graceful? I know he played a long time ago...
  72. @David
    Actuaries are very disproportionately left handed, maybe a third. Actuaries also tend to confuse right and left, needing to shake whatever hand they write with to be sure.

    Actuaries carry numerous probability distributions in their heads, at all times, so they cannot be held accountable for their conclusions.

  73. Left-handedness would have had advantages to invaders during hand-to-hand combat in castles; staircases were constructed with right-hand corners (as you ascend) so that the person upstairs could get a clear (right-handed) swing but the person trying to fight their way up would have to swing “around the corner”.

    At least that’s what a guide at a French castle (Mauzun) told us in 2008. I remember her clearly, because she looked like a taller, hotter Uma Thurman.

    In the 80s a different claim was that staircases go to the right in Eastern Europe because they believe vampires can’t turn right.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    I could see myself having had Chuck Nevitt's lengthy NBA career of waving his arms around in front of the in-bounds passer on the final play of the game if I'd been a foot taller.

    Not sure your current role is much more effective. Regession to the mean? Still, you are the best. Miss Heartiste, but you are King.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm kind of a lower-profile Chuck Nevitt.
  75. @Redneck farmer
    "700 picked men, left-handed, as slingers..." this Old Testament quote shows our advantage; we're able to go around your defense. Throw in better creativity, and well, you'll be fleeing, and your wives and daughters lamenting.
    Just accept us as your masters, and the bloodshed will be kept to a minimum.

    Front rank, kneel! Second rank, shoulder your rifles! Face to your front. Mark your target when it comes. Face to your front ..

    Handedness went out with early bronze age axe and dagger duels, between “chosen men” of the local aristocracies (well in Europe at least). Range weapons (archery) and massed long pointy stick things make it irrelevant.
    Particularly for slingers. How in the hell do you bend a sling-bullet round the wall? Are you feckin Lionel Messi?

  76. @Neil Templeton
    Not sure your current role is much more effective. Regession to the mean? Still, you are the best. Miss Heartiste, but you are King.

    I’m kind of a lower-profile Chuck Nevitt.

  77. @Kratoklastes

    if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed
     
    A similar thing is true in cricket; great left-handed batsmen (Lara, Lloyd, Gower, Sobers, Pollock) seem to have a very 'leftie' elegance to their strokeplay. Gower in full flight was a study in effortless grace (Lloyd in full flight was a brutal bludgeoning of the bowling attack, but still graceful for a man his size)

    Even Larry Gomes - a white-ish West Indian from the 80s whose stance was awful - had exquisite timing and footwork. When I taught myself to bat left-handed, it was Gomes that I emulated. And former Australian captain Alan Border wasn't 'graceful' as such - probably because of his baseball background - but he was also worth watching just for his technique.

    In Australian Rules, "long, raking left-footers" are practically a cliché; again, something about their skill development gives them a different balance and poise when they swing onto the left - and the ball seems to take a slightly-lower, more-efficient trajectory. My guess is that they don't get taught bad habits by junior coaches - and they develop a technique that is inherently efficient. (Again: I taught myself to kick left-footed as a young teen - my left-foot technique is much cleaner than my right, which was the result of coaching).

    Kack-footers also seem to have superior spatial awareness - the ability to move 'in traffic' as we say. Current Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury is getting on a bit, but in his day his movement through traffic looked like it was in slow-motion... yet nobody could lay a tackle on him.

    Geoff Raines (a player from the 80s) is the only right-footed footy player I've ever seen that had the same grace as a 'good ordinary' left-footed wingman.

    Left — inclusive; right — decisive. The left incites right indecision, and strikes. The right shows catastrophic consequence of inclusion, and dithers, What we have is a failure in decision.

  78. germane to the music thread, left handed musicians are more common than in the population. great guitar players are probably twice as likely to be left handed as the general population. hendrix, iommi, cobain off the top of my head. this obviously is due to some interaction with the hemispheres of the brain.

    or at least with guitar players. this doesn’t seem to be the case for drummers. i’ve seen literally 500 professional concerts and the number of times i’ve seen the drum kit deliberately set up for a left handed player to play left handed, i can count on one hand. and i don’t need all my fingers. sense of rhythm seems to be a separate music ability from the others and may not have the same hemisphere interaction.

    “Left handers are clearly more prone to being athletic.”

    hard to square with nearly 100% of NFL quarterbacks being right handed. the hardest position to play in all of sports, in the entire world of sports. unless there’s some process where left handed players are weeded out (and there might be). although there will be a left handed quarterback from alabama in the draft next year – except, he’s artificially left handed. he’s a right handed player who was forced to throw left handed by his dad.

    “As Welton writes, modern society’s dysgenic tendancies are resulting in more left handers.”

    it’s not clear this is happening, per welton’s evidence. 100 years ago, left handers were forced to be right handers in school. so today we may simply observe more left handers because they’re no longer forced to switch. of course, it’s also possible this is in fact happening. and, per most assumptions, humans are not ‘supposed’ to be left handed. so it may result from some genetic issue. it’s definitely believable that left handers perform 1 point less on intelligence tests. we know of other similar effects. twins about 2 points worse, for instance, and are almost never geniuses. premature kids do a few points worse than that, lifetime.

    • Replies: @james wilson
    Quarterbacks are not prized for athleticism, but for generalship, poise under fire, and accuracy. With one or two notable exceptions, the most athletic quarterbacks are not great (professional) quarterbacks.
    And yes, it is clear the general population is becoming far more left handed, doubling since the Industrial Revolution began. Edward Dutton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuiKv8q3Cgw
  79. @Sean

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting
     
    The most successful fought as converted southpaws, ie used the same stance as conventional and got knockouts with a deadly left hook, or score with the hook off the jab. The best example is Henry Cooper

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QluJJaU1vA4


    Anyway in a street fight it will be likely be his right he will throw so keep your left up as a guard. You throwing right cross to his jaw leaves you open to his strong left though (and vice versa). Thus on the street going first by throwing a big right first punch is the best way. Left handed people on the street have the advantage of going first because they are more impulsive. Left handers are much more likely to commit suicide.

    Maybe in a street fight. But Ali was knocked on his ass only two times
    Both by left hooks. Henry Cooper and Joe Frazier.

  80. @alaska3636
    I have cross-dominant vision: right-handed and left dominant eye. I'm terrible at shooting skeet with shotguns. I don't seem to have a problem with rifles and handguns though.

    I am like you. Try shooting from the left. Yes, that will slow you down but you will be much more accurate.

  81. ‘It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.’

    Speaking as a left-hander, I’d go with the latter. I’m not one of nature’s street-fighting men, but thinking about it, I have enjoyed several startling one-punch wins. Maybe it was because my interlocutor was always instinctively watching my right.

    …it would follow that early successes would disproportionately encourage left-handers to enter hand-to-hand combat sports, and even after their advantage evaporated in the face of adversaries who were perfectly well aware they should guard against the left, they would still be over-represented.

  82. @Deckin
    Eye dominance (what matters in sighting) and hand dominance are different things. I'm not sure how common it is for those to come apart, but in my case, I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a handful of rice shooting a rifle or shotgun until some instructor saw me and simply had me do it with the butt of the gun on my left shoulder--sighting with my left eye.

    You got it! As a kid, I looked comical sighting hand guns. Then, I started shooting rifles and shotguns from the left.
    Amazing improvement!

  83. @prime noticer
    very old news. not just knowledge of left handed athletes in baseball and boxing going back 100 years. but scholarly studies of this left hand effect in sports going back 30 or 40 years. also applies to tennis. left handed tennis players win more.

    the thought, correct in my opinion, is that the right handers are just less used to left hands coming in, whether it's tennis or boxing. and that's what helps the left handers. evander holyfield was 0-3 against left handed boxers. roger federer refuses to use a two handed backhand against left handed nadal, which causes him to almost always lose.

    when left handers go against other left handers their advantage disappears.

    more modern news - left footed punters get better results in football. the ball spins in the opposite direction of what returners are used to, and they tend to drop and fumble the punt more. the patriots have had a left footed punter for the entire time belichick has been coach, and it's very much on purpose.

    the more interesting question, the general question about handedness. why do humans have it, why the right hand, what causes humans to develop left handedness. is left handedness a sign of other genetic issues. is it becoming more common. why aren't humans ambidextrous. and so forth. we have less understanding of this. other than, handedness mattered, back when throwing things mattered for survival. we're aware that neanderthals were very right handed.

    pretty well understood though is why men are handed for throwing, but women can't throw.

    why aren’t humans ambidextrous.

    Probably because for most things humans do, learning it on one side is enough to get the job done a very large proportion of the time. The benefit of developing the same dexterity (HA!!!) on both sides is outweighed by the cost.

    Becoming ambidextrous is costly – it’s less than twice as costly as developing one-sided dexterity, because of how learning works (making new connections, reinforcing them through repetition… some circuitry will be common for both sides).

    Most animals – including humans – are not internally symmetric, and the asymmetry extends to the brain – which is why handedness is a thing for a bunch of things other than us naked chimps.

    A different question is why right-handedness is so dominant: only about 1 in 10 people are kack-handed, and it seems like there’s some genetic underpinning to it (i.e., it’s not just that their mothers are obviously witches). Something must have selected for the genes that cause correct-handed people to so dominate the human gene pool.

  84. anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer
    interesting football versus baseball situation here though.

    i believe there are currently zero left handed starters in the NFL, so 0 out of 32. adding in the backups, there's almost no left handed quarterbacks in the entire league. the bias towards right handed throwers is HUGE.

    whereas left handed pitchers in baseball are way, way over represented. in fact, probably one of the most amazing things in all of sports is how baseball finds literally every single one of the available left handed men in the entire world who can throw a baseball over 80 mph.

    probably more amazing than how basketball finds every last one of the 7 foot men on earth who can passably play in the paint. i think steve's calculation was that there were 70 men over 7 feet in the entire US between 20 and 40. so basketball has found literally every single one of them that can play.

    lots of them can't play. the current world's strongest man, and the second strongest man in the world as well, were both mediocre college basketball players.

    “probably more amazing than how basketball finds every last one of the 7 foot men on earth who can passably play in the paint. i think steve’s calculation was that there were 70 men over 7 feet in the entire US between 20 and 40. so basketball has found literally every single one of them that can play.”

    It seems like the number of 7-footers should be higher than 70 in a country of 330M people.
    Basketball countries like Serbia, Croatia, and Lithuania each seem to have 7-footers well into the double digits. At least 5 seven-footers from Lithuania (pop. 3M) have played in the NBA, and more have been drafted but not played. Serbia (pop. 10M) had at least a dozen 7-footers at one time or another. Those are just the ones good enough to play or at least be drafted in the NBA, there are many more playing in Europe or not playing basketball.
    Iceland (pop. 300K) has at least one 7-footer who’ll probably be in the NBA soon.
    The current World’s Strongest Man (The Mountain in GoT, another Icelander Halfthor Bjornsson) is “only” 6-9, but was probably too heavy for pro basketball. I’ve seen videos of him playing one-on-one; really nimble for a 400-pound guy, but I can’t imagine he’d be able to avoid chronic leg injuries playing serious basketball at his natural weight.

    I’ve met actual 7-footers who never played basketball at all. A lot of folks taller than 7 feet can’t play any sports, let alone NBA basketball.

  85. I don’t have any actual data but from a life time of watching Soccer it seems that the best left footers are distributed at the extremes of ability to strike the ball with pace, dip and swerve much like Blacks are when it comes to height.

    Players like Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Chilavert, Messi and many others come to mind. They, among others, are some of the best strikers of the ball I’ve ever seen.

    I think on average there is not much of a difference but for whatever reason when you find so many left footers among the elite ball strikers.

    • Replies: @anon
    But in elite soccer, being a left-footer is practically a requirement for playing on the left side, especially for wingers who have to put in crosses from the left.
  86. @prime noticer
    germane to the music thread, left handed musicians are more common than in the population. great guitar players are probably twice as likely to be left handed as the general population. hendrix, iommi, cobain off the top of my head. this obviously is due to some interaction with the hemispheres of the brain.

    or at least with guitar players. this doesn't seem to be the case for drummers. i've seen literally 500 professional concerts and the number of times i've seen the drum kit deliberately set up for a left handed player to play left handed, i can count on one hand. and i don't need all my fingers. sense of rhythm seems to be a separate music ability from the others and may not have the same hemisphere interaction.

    "Left handers are clearly more prone to being athletic."

    hard to square with nearly 100% of NFL quarterbacks being right handed. the hardest position to play in all of sports, in the entire world of sports. unless there's some process where left handed players are weeded out (and there might be). although there will be a left handed quarterback from alabama in the draft next year - except, he's artificially left handed. he's a right handed player who was forced to throw left handed by his dad.

    "As Welton writes, modern society’s dysgenic tendancies are resulting in more left handers."

    it's not clear this is happening, per welton's evidence. 100 years ago, left handers were forced to be right handers in school. so today we may simply observe more left handers because they're no longer forced to switch. of course, it's also possible this is in fact happening. and, per most assumptions, humans are not 'supposed' to be left handed. so it may result from some genetic issue. it's definitely believable that left handers perform 1 point less on intelligence tests. we know of other similar effects. twins about 2 points worse, for instance, and are almost never geniuses. premature kids do a few points worse than that, lifetime.

    Quarterbacks are not prized for athleticism, but for generalship, poise under fire, and accuracy. With one or two notable exceptions, the most athletic quarterbacks are not great (professional) quarterbacks.
    And yes, it is clear the general population is becoming far more left handed, doubling since the Industrial Revolution began. Edward Dutton

    • Replies: @anon
    That's because you are using American sportsball media's definition of athleticism, which is basically short sprinting and leaping ability and thus favors blacks. Behold the current genuflecting before Athletic God Zion Williamson.
    I think one reason for that is that lots of well-built, coordinated white men think they could've been star QBs, if they had only... Most know they could never jump 45 inches, especially not at 280 lb.

    In soccer, speed and leaping ability are valued, but at not at the exclusion of overall soccer abilities, which are quickness, balance, technical skills, and understanding how to play. Ronaldo, Messi, Modric while excellent athletes, probably would not be at the top of the NFL combine for their 40 times and vertical jump (though Ronaldo would be close). I don't know where Mbappe or Pogba or many other black "Frenchmen" would be on those tests.
  87. Really?
    Played NAIA Div I tennis, I had 2 left handers in the division that never could beat me. They could break their rackets handily.

  88. @Lyov Myshkin
    I don't have any actual data but from a life time of watching Soccer it seems that the best left footers are distributed at the extremes of ability to strike the ball with pace, dip and swerve much like Blacks are when it comes to height.

    Players like Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Chilavert, Messi and many others come to mind. They, among others, are some of the best strikers of the ball I've ever seen.

    I think on average there is not much of a difference but for whatever reason when you find so many left footers among the elite ball strikers.

    But in elite soccer, being a left-footer is practically a requirement for playing on the left side, especially for wingers who have to put in crosses from the left.

  89. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @james wilson
    Quarterbacks are not prized for athleticism, but for generalship, poise under fire, and accuracy. With one or two notable exceptions, the most athletic quarterbacks are not great (professional) quarterbacks.
    And yes, it is clear the general population is becoming far more left handed, doubling since the Industrial Revolution began. Edward Dutton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuiKv8q3Cgw

    That’s because you are using American sportsball media’s definition of athleticism, which is basically short sprinting and leaping ability and thus favors blacks. Behold the current genuflecting before Athletic God Zion Williamson.
    I think one reason for that is that lots of well-built, coordinated white men think they could’ve been star QBs, if they had only… Most know they could never jump 45 inches, especially not at 280 lb.

    In soccer, speed and leaping ability are valued, but at not at the exclusion of overall soccer abilities, which are quickness, balance, technical skills, and understanding how to play. Ronaldo, Messi, Modric while excellent athletes, probably would not be at the top of the NFL combine for their 40 times and vertical jump (though Ronaldo would be close). I don’t know where Mbappe or Pogba or many other black “Frenchmen” would be on those tests.

    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    Define "athleticism."
  90. @Redneck farmer
    "700 picked men, left-handed, as slingers..." this Old Testament quote shows our advantage; we're able to go around your defense. Throw in better creativity, and well, you'll be fleeing, and your wives and daughters lamenting.
    Just accept us as your masters, and the bloodshed will be kept to a minimum.

    Here’s a remarkable left-handed slinger at his best (I actually saw him pitch against Detroit at Tiger Stadium in 1990):

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Jim Abbott was born with only his left hand. He threw a no-hitter in 1990.

    I can't remember ... was there an unwritten rule against bunting to exploit his one-handedness?

  91. @Paul Jolliffe
    Here's a remarkable left-handed slinger at his best (I actually saw him pitch against Detroit at Tiger Stadium in 1990):

    https://youtu.be/s-11R0f7I0g

    Thanks. Jim Abbott was born with only his left hand. He threw a no-hitter in 1990.

    I can’t remember … was there an unwritten rule against bunting to exploit his one-handedness?

    • Replies: @Anon87
    Good question. I think the webpages that would contain that data probably aren't free.
    , @Anon87
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-08-13-8703060722-story.html

    http://bronxpinstripes.com/yankees-history/jim-abbotts-no-hitter/ Inconclusive if this was unwritten due to the no hitter potential.

    https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/635e3a93
    "bunted out of the league"?
  92. @ScarletNumber
    I would add Boomer Esiason to your list, but they are the exceptions. I think lefty QB's are at a disadvantage because receivers aren't used to catching a lefty ball.

    Not to mention that left handed QB’s have their blind side in right side of line. For adequate protection of a leftie, you need a right tackle as big, fast and intelligent as the average left tackle in today’s NFL. Hell, the entire offensive line has to be flipped in mirror image fashion. Assembling that group requires lots of work and luck.

  93. @Anon

    It’s not clear if left-handers tend to be overall better fighters or if they just enjoy an advantage from being in the minority and thus their opponents are less familiar with their style of fighting.
     
    This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection. You would still get fewer and fewer per generation.

    The reason why left-handers are more represented in general in non cognitive activities, including creative professions and fighting, is simply that they are less able to succeed in cognitive professions, due to a slightly lower IQ. There's a cognitive bias in seeing a lot of left-handers in a job and assuming that they are better than right handers, but this doesn't survive a blind talent evaluation.

    Sinistrality is heritable, but at a lower rate than most traits, only 0.2 or 0.3, compared to 0.4 to 0.6 for most traits. This is about the same as the habitability of homosexuality, which is similarly something that should not survive natural selection. So it looks like something similar is happening, perhaps a genetic trait that does not directly cause the outcome, but when subject to a common de novo mutation in fetal development (this could even accommodate Cochran's pathogen hypothesis) results in the outcome. Left handers suffer from a number of health and mental problems, relative to the general population, so a mutational component is logical.

    “This would not result in sinistrality surviving natural selection.”

    “Natural selection” isn’t a mechanism because it can’t distinguish between coextensive traits (causes and correlates of causes).

  94. @anon
    That's because you are using American sportsball media's definition of athleticism, which is basically short sprinting and leaping ability and thus favors blacks. Behold the current genuflecting before Athletic God Zion Williamson.
    I think one reason for that is that lots of well-built, coordinated white men think they could've been star QBs, if they had only... Most know they could never jump 45 inches, especially not at 280 lb.

    In soccer, speed and leaping ability are valued, but at not at the exclusion of overall soccer abilities, which are quickness, balance, technical skills, and understanding how to play. Ronaldo, Messi, Modric while excellent athletes, probably would not be at the top of the NFL combine for their 40 times and vertical jump (though Ronaldo would be close). I don't know where Mbappe or Pogba or many other black "Frenchmen" would be on those tests.

    Define “athleticism.”

  95. @Kratoklastes

    if you hear someone praised for their beautiful swing, there is a really good chance that they’re left-handed
     
    A similar thing is true in cricket; great left-handed batsmen (Lara, Lloyd, Gower, Sobers, Pollock) seem to have a very 'leftie' elegance to their strokeplay. Gower in full flight was a study in effortless grace (Lloyd in full flight was a brutal bludgeoning of the bowling attack, but still graceful for a man his size)

    Even Larry Gomes - a white-ish West Indian from the 80s whose stance was awful - had exquisite timing and footwork. When I taught myself to bat left-handed, it was Gomes that I emulated. And former Australian captain Alan Border wasn't 'graceful' as such - probably because of his baseball background - but he was also worth watching just for his technique.

    In Australian Rules, "long, raking left-footers" are practically a cliché; again, something about their skill development gives them a different balance and poise when they swing onto the left - and the ball seems to take a slightly-lower, more-efficient trajectory. My guess is that they don't get taught bad habits by junior coaches - and they develop a technique that is inherently efficient. (Again: I taught myself to kick left-footed as a young teen - my left-foot technique is much cleaner than my right, which was the result of coaching).

    Kack-footers also seem to have superior spatial awareness - the ability to move 'in traffic' as we say. Current Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury is getting on a bit, but in his day his movement through traffic looked like it was in slow-motion... yet nobody could lay a tackle on him.

    Geoff Raines (a player from the 80s) is the only right-footed footy player I've ever seen that had the same grace as a 'good ordinary' left-footed wingman.

    Thanks, very interesting. Bradman is pretty much the only cricket player I know anything about. Was he lefty? Was he graceful? I know he played a long time ago…

  96. Less familiar and I suspect higher aggression.

  97. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Jim Abbott was born with only his left hand. He threw a no-hitter in 1990.

    I can't remember ... was there an unwritten rule against bunting to exploit his one-handedness?

    Good question. I think the webpages that would contain that data probably aren’t free.

  98. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Jim Abbott was born with only his left hand. He threw a no-hitter in 1990.

    I can't remember ... was there an unwritten rule against bunting to exploit his one-handedness?

    • Replies: @MC
    The "unwritten rule" referred to in that second article is definitely the rule that it's unsporting to try to break up a no-hitter with a bunt.
  99. @Anon87
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-08-13-8703060722-story.html

    http://bronxpinstripes.com/yankees-history/jim-abbotts-no-hitter/ Inconclusive if this was unwritten due to the no hitter potential.

    https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/635e3a93
    "bunted out of the league"?

    The “unwritten rule” referred to in that second article is definitely the rule that it’s unsporting to try to break up a no-hitter with a bunt.

  100. Anonymous[551] • Disclaimer says:

    I had to box a leftie in college. Very frustrating because his jab seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Coach’s advice was to circle away from it. Didn’t seem like great advice since this was extra work that exhausted me. Somehow, he did not need to circle away from me. But I circled because I needed some response. Guy was not that good. Could have beat him if right handed.

    Lefties didn’t bother me in wrestling though. Not as fast moving and easy to shoot for the legs regardless of stance. But that jab coming off the wrong (i.e. right) hand…what a nuisance.

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Which superpower is more threatened by its “extractive elites”?
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
What Was John McCain's True Wartime Record in Vietnam?
Are elite university admissions based on meritocracy and diversity as claimed?