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Littering is a famous social problem, but not one that much academic research has been devoted to in recent decades, probably because of the obvious ethnic and immigrant angles.
I’ve been wondering why I tend to assume that Latino Littering is more of a problem than Black Littering. I think the answer I’ve come up with is a useful distinction.
Latino littering is more noticeable because littering is linked to population density, and Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.
Another question is whether Latino littering is related to the turf-marking impulse displayed in Latino graffiti.
By the way, here’s the full text of Penn law professor Amy Wax’s much denounced speech on, among much else, littering.
I remember hearing a lot about catcalling several years ago. Perhaps that stopped when people realized the “disparate impact” cracking down would have.
The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0AReplies: @fish, @Pericles
I think all of this segued into the "Don't tell me to smile" period.
At the moment the feminist pet peeve seems to have gone on to "Ask me questions during first dates. But not my weight. By the way, how tall are you?"
In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Black littering is routine ... but it's in typical trashy black neighborhoods that--most of them, especially outside the south--have been trashy black neighborhoods for a generation.
The black population of Southern California is actually stagnant. While the Latinos are actually colonizing the San Fernando Valley, so Steve's seeing the litter ramp up right before his eyes.
Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.
Theys you’n Goez agin.
https://www.loupiote.com/photos_m/woman-carrying-basket-head-india-3711220786.jpg
First the white man STOLED the nollidge bout How to make a trash can (All trash anyways was Recylced in Wakanda anyways) then the colonizers taught us how to Litter. Then with no place to put the Trash all Black peoples hands was full all the time. This then is how the slave owners caught them so Easily and put them on boats.
Latino Littering is generally because they don’t know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.
Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture – they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We’re stuck with it.
When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.
In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.Replies: @LondonBob
Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a “rodent infested mess”;
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html
Latino littering, like Latino graffiti, is pissing on turf in the vast subconscious of la Raza Reconquista. They are expansionist. Blacks, as a group in America, are not.
One thing I noticed in Singapore is that there’s way more litter around places like Woodlands station than there would have been a couple of decades ago, when I first visited the city-state as a kid. Nothing San Francisco 2019 level, the place was still very clean by American standards-as you probably would guess, certainly no piss bottles or dirty needles or excrement hanging around-but still, for Singaporeans used to squeaky clean everything, seeing litter around at all is noticeable.
Local consensus seems to blame this and other things on middle and working-class immigrants from the PRC. This is not politically correct, as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese, but it is plausible. Having never been subject to decades of nonstop coaching with fines and canings awaiting those who couldn’t get with the program quickly enough by the late Lee Kwan Yew, they bring old-time habits with them, including spitting and the kinds of disgusting behavior in public toilets that you will regularly find in mainland China or Malaysia. (If anything, they were subject to polar opposite social engineering during the Cultural Revolution, which mainstreamized peasant behavior.) And now that the old man is dead, things just aren’t as strict as they used to be, apparently.
Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
TB, anyone?Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob
No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.
Good for them.
Despite all their koombayah racial "we're all the same" rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.
White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.
This is normal and natural.
Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is "racist" (whatever that means).Replies: @nebulafox
One useful comparison would be between the litter left after an outdoor festival held by Group A and one held by Group B. I know from my time in Toronto that the Caribbeans’ street festival, Caribana left an obscene amount of litter behind it. Not so with events held by Poles or Greeks, let alone outdoor events held by us deprecated Canadians.
I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?
https://youtu.be/P1CbdF2JAN0
Stop reading comments and go read the Amy Wax transcript. Thanks for linking, Steve.
We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/Replies: @Anon7
I once lived in New Orleans. The distance from my house to the Burger King was exactly one meal. I could tell because the refuse was left on the sidewalk in front of my house.
Can you imagine how this would go in 2019??
“It’s about RESPICT” (1:38)
Closely linked to littering is public spitting, and recently Minneapolis got rid of its spitting and lurking laws because racism. I don’t remember browns being mentioned. Blacks were of course the primary villain-heroes.
Funny thing though, they did mention Red Indians. Is there some kind of spitting thing in Indian culture?
For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.
Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist
“Another question is whether Latino littering is related to the turf-marking impulse displayed in Latino graffiti.”
A similar turf-marking impulse is what dogs do when they use the fire hydrant, trees, etc. Who is the alpha dog, the big dog, etc. In a sense, both are marking their spot, and both are ultimately littering.
“It's about RESPICT” (1:38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato
In high school I was taping a little school project video which included a shot of me throwing an empty pop bottle and missing the trash. Although I was quite clearly being followed by a camera, an elderly passerby scolded me with “You know where the barrel is?…Stick it in there!” during my single take.
His voice was full of earnest pathos. This is a thing that happens.
I did not seek redress at the nearest civil rights office.
David French Strikes Again!
We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/
Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty
For some time now I’ve taken note of the waste streams of Latino and black litterers in CA. Food wrapping is a major component of litter for both blacks and Latinos, but blacks tend to eat near where they buy food, like in parking lots of grocery stores or fast food restaurants, and throw waste out car windows. Much like pigeons, they drop their guano before they take off. Hispanics don’t eat in their cars so much — they treat their car interiors like mobile living rooms and usually eat inside restaurants or take food stuffs to a park. So Latino food waste ends up in McDonalds trash bins or strewn on public spaces rather than on the grounds of commercial venues.
Similarly, blacks and Latinos both dump household effluvia like mattresses, tires, and broken furniture, but blacks dump it close to home. Either they start a junk pile in their back yard or they dump waste on a neighborhood street or a public project sidewalk. Latinos typically drag their effluvia a way off from home, dumping it under a highway overpass or on a vacant lot. I suspect that if landfills didn’t charge hefty dumping fees to local residents Latinos might be more likely to dispose of household waste lawfully.
I’m inclined to believe Latino littering behavior can be modified, since Latinos are capable of shame, but blacks are fairly shameless so yes, I believe their oppositional cultural, which arises from their inherently oppositional behavior, will be near impossible to change without implementing the corporal punishment system of Singapore.
“It's about RESPICT” (1:38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato
Hey, isn’t that Vallejo, CA?
Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty
I think this is true. I once stayed in an idyllic summer cottage by a river in the hills of the Dominican Republic where there was no garbage pickup. The residents just threw the trash out of the window, and much of it was eaten by a goat, and thus recycled.
When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.
In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.
To be fair, some white rednecks up in the woods of Maine litter quite terribly. For them, it’s mostly beer cans after driving to the local swimming hole on their ATVs.
With blacks, it’s mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I’ve also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.
With Latinos, it’s everything they consume. On the ground it goes.
And with dot Indians, they dump their garbage in our waterways because that’s what Shiva would want.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.htmlReplies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?
Writ large, i.e. inviting/welcoming third-world foreigners into your nation/state/city, is doing just that: trashing the neighborhood where you live.
I’m thinking a public service campaign featuring an Aztec warrior crying when he sees trash in the bushes of Azatlan. Later he sees a white person littering and cuts his heart out.
If you dont give a shit you litter, go to a nice blued eyed mexican gated community in Mexico and there is no litter. I lived in a mud hut village in Africa and they swept up all the goat dropping and chicken shit everyday and burnt it. Every year after the rains they replastered the mud huts. They cared about their village. It is not always a race thing but yes, often it is.
If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.
Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague, complains about the old gringas (it's a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he'd moved to the gated community, besides "For strange reasons irrelevant here" - direct quote.)
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* If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.Replies: @Clyde
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
LOL!!!
Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty
So true. Will never forget watching an obese black guy about 30 exiting Walgreens in SF marina district ten years ago. There was a garbage can right next to the exit door, and a rack of free-newspaper dispensers at the edge of the sidewalk. So he sticks his ice cream cup and candy bar wrapper in with the newspapers, and gives me the “wutchoo gonna do about it?” look.
A women carried a camera with her and recorded everyone in Manhattan catcalling her.
The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.
I spend most of my time in the Southeast, but in a city with a sizable, recently arrived latino population. My kids play soccer, and all of us parents have noticed the amazing sea of discarded plastic bottles and wrappers left behind when our team plays a latino team. We’ve noticed, but we only acknowledge we’ve noticed in shrugs, nods, and knowing smiles.
I’ve never noticed anything similar with black teams, because there are no black teams — blacks don’t play soccer, unless they are middle-class suburbanites, just like the rest of us.
I offer two testable hypotheses:
1) latinos interact with whites (go to the same places, do the same thing) more than blacks do, and therefore their littering is more noticed.
2) lower-class blacks don’t consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.
My money is on number 1.
I knew a Native American who used to go on and on about how his people respected the earth more than whites did. But go to any reservation and you’ll see an inordinate amount of litter.
If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Achmed E. Newman
Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there’d be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.
Left on the surface it's a noxious health hazard.
If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call “Latino,” or even “Hispanic” are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.
Yes, the Mexican roofing crew left behind candy wrappers and a couple of soda cans. The new metal roof looks great though.
Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
"Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."
And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.
"Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."
It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.
"Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."
Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias
We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/Replies: @Anon7
Interesting article, but French strikes me as an apologist for our current immigration mess; he likes non-European elites like bright Indians as well as (apparently) exotic Africans. He adopted an Ethiopian girl into his family.
Neither French nor Wax for that matter seem interested in what seems to me to be our most vital concern, namely, figuring out how to heal our damaged white communities. We can’t cure what’s wrong with us by inviting a better class of people to come here, regardless of whether you’re partial to first world people or third world people.
We’ve badly damaged white communities 1) economically by outsourcing industry, illegal immigration and legal H1B tech labor, 2) by flooding these communities with opiates when the pain and depression hit, and of course 3) by adopting feminist ideas that marginalize and destroy America’s most productive people, white men.
Upon visiting Manhattan’s Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
TB, anyone?
Generally, it has been my experience that there is a higher tolerance of audible farting in China.
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* For those interested, see Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.
Around the time of the catcall boom you started to see a lot of essays by middle aged women writing about how sad they were when they realized the catcalls for them had stopped, and they started to become invisible to men in general.
I think all of this segued into the “Don’t tell me to smile” period.
At the moment the feminist pet peeve seems to have gone on to “Ask me questions during first dates. But not my weight. By the way, how tall are you?”
Funny thing though, they did mention Red Indians. Is there some kind of spitting thing in Indian culture?Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
There was a spitting thing in cowboy culture. When Americans were learning not to litter in the 1970s, junior high school boys in the Rockies were chewing tobacco, spitting and getting in trouble for it.
For those who don’t know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.
Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn’t looking.
I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
As far as combating littering is concerned in the States, it required a major change in public consciousness.
https://www.alleghenyfront.org/the-psychology-of-littering
It would seem, however, given how white people love the outdoors, they are by far are the most notorious litterers. I gather it is one of our inborn traits–our ancestors in Europe would just thrown trash away and hope the critters would gobble it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/03/woodland-trust-sees-worst-year-for-flytipping-on-record
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423077-national-parks-facing-litter-illegal-activity-without-rangers
https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors/article/National-parks-set-their-sights-on-being-12243683.php
On a related matter, white people certainly have major difficulties handling their trash.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/why-is-rome-drowning-in-trash
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/12/how-russias-attempt-to-solve-its-trash-crisis-is-backfiring-a63795
Furthermore, white-led nations deport their old electronics to worthy countries. I suppose they are just paying tribute to Trump’s pronouncement that since third-world are hellholes, why not contribute to their misery.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5197792/philippines-canada-garbage-containers/
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-02/us-still-dumping-some-its-toxic-e-waste-overseas
They need our labor question, too,
And politics and fraud—
We’ve made a pretty mess at home,
Let’s make a mess abroad!
Not in Singapore. Littering fines range from $300 to $1,000 for first time offenders. Both fines rise up to $5,000 for third-time offenders with the possibility of facing jail time.
Must be an Asian thing.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/why-japanese-dont-litter
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
Ohs Tinys……
Theys you’n Goez agin.
For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.
Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist
“…chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it.”
I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.
I don't know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.Replies: @Pericles
Latinos are like white people from a few generations ago (or Russians from 5 years ago, who littered a lot). They like the outdoors, lakes, woods, spend time there with their families, but unfortunately litter. Blacks for whatever reason generally don’t seem to appreciate nature as much. So Latino littering is more noticeable.
Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:
An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:
Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.
Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.
I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.Replies: @AP, @PSR
The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0AReplies: @fish, @Pericles
Well…it be likes Tinys says….. white wimminz crave men’s o kolor.
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
A prudent policy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.htmlReplies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
“Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a ‘rodent infested mess’”
A stopped clock…
Couple of weeks ago I happened to be listening to the cuck Michael Medved while driving. He was talking about how our cities are deteriorating and “that’s not us”. Just at that moment, a Hispanic couple in the car ahead of me on the road, threw out a bag of garbage onto the side of the street. And I wondered, who exactly is “us” these days?
I lived in Tchad for 2 years. I am only talking about one village. They pretty much used outhouses. I lived in Addis Ababa back in the 1960s and it was a half million people shitting every where.
If they carried a shovel and buried their shit it would improve the soil. Human excrement is a good thing when buried in the dirt.Worms eat it and make worm shit and aerate it, and plants grow.
Left on the surface it’s a noxious health hazard.
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations. Ones involving the attachment of fireworks to sledgehammers. He theorized it may exist to keep white retirees out of the good spots.
What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzo5gxdNuyAReplies: @Kronos
Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
TB, anyone?Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob
Spitting in the street is commonplace in China. Also, loudly belching is not considered rude, in fact, it can be seen as a compliment. The first time an old Chinese grandma ripped a massive belch while eating noodles on a ferry, I could not stop laughing.
Generally, it has been my experience that there is a higher tolerance of audible farting in China.
Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
TB, anyone?Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob
OK, now I’ve gotta tell my quick anecdote in my otherwise praiseful posts about personal experience with Chinese healthcare*. Inside the hospital, up on a floor, as we waited for blood test results, a woman in a scrubs type of get-up hawked a loogie (note the proper terminology, Nebula!) into the trash can near us. During the 20 minute wait, she did that 3 times. “Man, if a nurse did this in the US, she’d get canned, wouldn’t she?” I asked. “No, she’s not a nurse, she’s a doctor.” I was told. Man, did I feel like a male chauvinist!
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* For those interested, see Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.
“Bring back Chairman Mao!” – Godfree Roberts, unz.com writer
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
Well, yes. Before the white man came, all packaging was biodegradable, and eventually disappeared.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.htmlReplies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
The President owes rodents an apology for that. They have better taste.
I've never noticed anything similar with black teams, because there are no black teams -- blacks don't play soccer, unless they are middle-class suburbanites, just like the rest of us.
I offer two testable hypotheses:
1) latinos interact with whites (go to the same places, do the same thing) more than blacks do, and therefore their littering is more noticed.
2) lower-class blacks don't consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.
My money is on number 1.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Or rather, they spend as much. But they’re not going to toss their Dr Dre Beats after one use.
If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Achmed E. Newman
Haha, Haole, I’ve got just the article to refute that, from Unz’s man with boots on the Mexican ground*, Fred Reed. Mr. Reed, in
Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague, complains about the old gringas (it’s a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he’d moved to the gated community, besides “For strange reasons irrelevant here” – direct quote.)
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* If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
Exactly, Buzz. The type of litter from even just back to the beginning of the 20th century was stuff that Mother Earth could clean up herself, if the numbers are small. As Peak Stupidity mentioned in Are American Indians Slobs?, 5 million (estimate) people on the whole continent of North America could be cleaned up by Mother Nature with no help from the people themselves.
What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Whites have been trying to gentrify Highland Park a few miles north of Highland Park for years.
Gentrification is the closest thing to World War 1 military doctrine. You grab as much territory as possible and clench it tight. Often you’ll need to hold that territory for years until the next phase commencement. Footholds are essential.
Unless there’s a Hurricane Katrina, there’s no rapid advancement (blitzkrieg) for gentrification. You’ve touched on it before, but the LGBT members make excellent “shock troops” to lead initial assaults. They don’t (very often) have kids to worry about in bad neighborhoods.
“Oh Seymour, just imagine you and me vs. the urban jungle. Strong hard young men out on the prowl ROAR! It’ll be sooo exciting! (Just imagine the film “The Birdcage” without the son.)
But they may constitute the worst choice for gentrifying that Hispanic area. Many Hispanic Catholics often pretend Vatican II never happened and will/are actively hostile to that community. But the press will never smear them with the homophobic label. With the “Coalition of the Fringes” a Crown Heights confrontation is never far away.
Maybe they’ll wait until the next BIG earthquake then move in mass? Any bets on how the next earthquake will effect the housing market?
My grandparents lived their lives on a farm in the Ozarks. There was a trash pile down the hill behind the house. For fifty or more years all trash generated by that household (with 9 kids) went into that trash pile.
The pile never grew in size. They generated very little trash for throw away, and what they did rusted or decayed over time. Today you can walk in that field and never know the farm trash dump was there.
People of that era threw their coke bottles out of the car window because it was no big deal. The trash just never amounted to much.
After WWII and the consumer explosion the trash did start to add up in the countryside and towns. It was time for a behavior change, and the change happened.
Whether littering is a bad thing or not is relative. Then it was not a bad thing. Today it is.
The kind of people who mistake him for George Foreman.
What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose
Okay, but the one with the dancing horse at the party was pretty good.
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
I also think blacks litter as more of a territorial thing. Steve notes that America was socially engineered away from casual litter, but inner city blacks weren’t. It’s surely seen as weak, compliant, a ‘white thing.’
I’ve seen black mothers slap a candy wrapper out of their child’s hand. I’ve seen them tell them to throw trash on the ground when a bin was within sight.
Black public housing is always littered with chicken bones and shrimp tails. Why? I think it’s a sad form of conspicuous consumption: Look what I had for dinner! Whatju have n***a, a candy bar and a beatin’ from yo mamma’s boyfren’?
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
I think you nailed it, Spangel.
Black littering is routine … but it’s in typical trashy black neighborhoods that–most of them, especially outside the south–have been trashy black neighborhoods for a generation.
The black population of Southern California is actually stagnant. While the Latinos are actually colonizing the San Fernando Valley, so Steve’s seeing the litter ramp up right before his eyes.
I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
The other 3/4 don’t, because it will make them sick as dogs.
I don’t know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:
Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.
The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0AReplies: @fish, @Pericles
If memory serves, that video was at first presented as showing how bad men in general are. Then you wouldn’t believe what some people noticed. Then it kind of dropped out of the conversation.
Record ’10 hours of wearing a MAGA hat in New York’ and you’ll instead draw out the whites.
Oh my, calling Baltimore a mess seems a bit excessive, doesn’t it? That Trump always goes too far.
Just as you can go from neighborhood to neighborhood and observe littering differences, you can go from country to country.
What is noticeable in both cases is not just levels of littering, but levels of general effort at picking up, cleaning and maintaining. When you leave a relatively clean country and enter a filthier-looking one, you can see that the people there are not in the habit of doing things you might consider easy and automatic: painting or washing buildings, sweeping streets, establishing and maintaining neat boundaries between concrete and dirt or grass, picking up random items including litter.
These things are not expensive and can be done by anyone. People in some countries (even to some degree in parts of Eastern Europe) just don’t bother, and their countries look dirty. In some cases, even the straight or horizontal lines of their structures, landscapes and sidewalks aren’t exactly straight or horizontal. It is as if they just didn’t bother to get them right. If you have a good eye, it drives you mad. Don’t they know how to use a chalk line? A level?
I don't know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.Replies: @Pericles
Yeah, presumably it’s nicotine tolerance. At one end, I’ve seen a grown man get sick from smoking a cigar too enthusiastically. At the other end, there are the tobacco fiends.
Note this remark:
Scott McConnell
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/26/heres-amy-wax-really-said-immigration/#.XTw9MVicFn4.twitter
First mention I’ve seen of “use of biological, genocidal biological weapons”. Probable first use by the PRC in Africa to assure access to needed resources should the US Navy stop protecting the sea lanes. That would destabilize things in an unpredictable way.
This is what I mean when I say that we now have several brand new kinds of weapons, and nobody knows their effect when widely deployed.
Counterinsurgency
The fertility rate for ethnic Chinese native Singaporeans is around 1, far below replacement. The Singapore gubment is importing Chinese Chinese to keep ethnic Chinese race a supermajority in Singapore, around 75%.
No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.
Good for them.
Despite all their koombayah racial “we’re all the same” rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.
White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.
This is normal and natural.
Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is “racist” (whatever that means).
In some places, one causes the other. Funny how we hear incessantly about the nearly non-existant Klan and lynching, but we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.
I went to a book talk recently (at our last independent bookstore) — some geography prof from Berkeley talking about California demography. Classic leftist: that much was clear after 30 seconds. About San Jose (the biggest city in Silicon Valley) he said the story is techies pricing out and driving out the working class. I objected: San Jose is 1/3 Hispanic; San Jose's working class is still going strong, it's just that a white working class has been replaced by a Hispanic working class.
Because shhhhhhh, that's the plan.
As usual, the blacks will be the last to figure out they are being bamboozled by the liberals.
Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:
https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg
An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:
http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg
Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.
Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus
You too? Wow.
I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced “Madmen” fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.
“Latino littering is more noticeable because littering is linked to population density, and Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.”
Possibly also the fact that media types live in areas with noticeable and growing Hispanic populations (LA). They don’t notice black littering as much because they take steps to separate themselves from those types. Example: places like Starbucks were/are popular in many urban areas among hipster whites because the vibe of the place drives away poor blacks who think overpriced coffee and dorky baristas writing dumb names on cups is sissy.
‘Turf marking impulse’ cf ‘Animal scent marking’ – in which carnivorous mammals ‘mark out’ territories by means of ‘pungent scents’ left at strategic landmarks -. Familiar, of course, to dog and cat owners.
Apparently, also familiar to inhabitants of ‘high rise’ ‘urban housing projects’ when, by necessity, forced to use elevators. And no, it’s not domesticated quadrupeds doing the marking.
Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague, complains about the old gringas (it's a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he'd moved to the gated community, besides "For strange reasons irrelevant here" - direct quote.)
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* If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.Replies: @Clyde
I checked it out though Bing search was needed. Yer Hyperlink no good.
Proper valid link https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/07/04/puerta-arroyo-horrible-ugly-meddlesome-reptilian-old-women-nacas-adineradas-sex-and-the-gringa-plague/
The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino.
Every man that catcalled was black or latin.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone.
Yes, the Mexican roofing crew left behind candy wrappers and a couple of soda cans. The new metal roof looks great though.
Simple ethos of that’s-somebody-else’s-job-ism. Some societies believe that picking up (as well as a host of other taks) is somebody else’s job.
Possibly also the fact that media types live in areas with noticeable and growing Hispanic populations (LA). They don't notice black littering as much because they take steps to separate themselves from those types. Example: places like Starbucks were/are popular in many urban areas among hipster whites because the vibe of the place drives away poor blacks who think overpriced coffee and dorky baristas writing dumb names on cups is sissy.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Magic Johnson made a nice piece of change off opening the first Starbucks in a black part of Los Angeles that’s wealthy enough to pay Starbucks prices. I call the neighborhood Baldwin Hills but it has several other names. There’s a hillside community looking north toward Beverly Hills that’s 99% black and everybody has a nice house and pays for excellent gardening. Lots of big black churches too. I presume there is a lot of peer pressure to keep up your landscaping and got to the one of local churches. But … good for them.
Magic built a Starbucks and a movie theater right at the base of that hill in the 1990s and got huge amounts of business from middle class black people who appreciated having nice name brand stuff.
The sum of all differences between the Civilized and the Barbaric is precisely this:
A civilized person will actually walk two and a half feet to a trash can and put their trash in it, a barbarian won’t. Because a civilized person understand that Sanitation is the beginning of an orderly, civil society; and a barbarian couldn’t care less what they are (literally) crapping on.
And there is precisely NOTHING you can do to turn a Barbarian into a Civilized man.
Macro littering vs. micro littering.
Macro littering (mestizos): old couches, refrigerators, TVs, mattresses, diapers, full trash bags, Tecate 30 pack boxes…
Micro littering (negros): cigarette/cigar butts, over sizes beer bottles/cans, rubbers, needles, vials, burger king and mcdonalds wrappers…
A civilized person will actually walk two and a half feet to a trash can and put their trash in it, a barbarian won't. Because a civilized person understand that Sanitation is the beginning of an orderly, civil society; and a barbarian couldn't care less what they are (literally) crapping on.
And there is precisely NOTHING you can do to turn a Barbarian into a Civilized man.Replies: @Carbon blob
Another litmus test I like to use to evaluate a neighborhood is to see if folks leave grocery carts in parking spaces or take them back to the corral.
Reminds me of the line from “Little Big Man” where the character Jack Crabbe reminisces of his childhood spent with the Cheyenne, how when approaching a village one couldn’t distinguish between entering the village or its garbage dump. In “Custer and Crazy Horse, Two American Warriors,” Stephen Ambrose discussed the matter of the American Indian’s so-called respect for the environment, explaining the destruction to Nature that was involved in the raising of a native village.
I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.Replies: @AP, @PSR
The “Don’t mess with Texas” campaign in the 80s suggests it was a problem in the USA. I remember, in the 80’s, people tossing litter out the car’s moonroof like it wasn’t a big deal.
Thanks, Clyde, on behalf of anyone trying to read that. I specifically remember checking that the link worked yesterday before mashing [PUBLISH]. The other link (to Allan Wall on VDare) worked, but this could have been a minor unz bug, possibly just affecting links to his own site, coming back.
Way back in 1969, I was walking along a street in Monaco, smoking a cigarette. I took the butt out of my mouth, ready to throw it in the gutter, and then noticed that the gutter was immaculate, no trash at all. Everything was perfect. Not a blade of grass growing up between two pieces of concrete curbing. Absolutely the cleanest place I have ever been. I finally threw my cigarette butt down a storm sewer grating.
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
Exactly. Latino neighborhoods have restaurants Steve may like, and Latinos like going to parks.
I bet you could! That’s like a primary strategy amongst archeologists.
Do you mean Highwood, Illinois?
For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.
Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist
Quite possibly the most disgusting habit on the planet. A friend’s husband switched from cigarettes to chewing tobacco and she said she preferred him smoking. His gums were totally gross.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.htmlReplies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew
Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump’s responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren’t Cummings’ job; he’s a US Congressman.
Trump’s comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.
I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).
When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.
In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.Replies: @LondonBob
Q tips damage your hearing in the long term. Some wax is a good thing as it catches stuff that would otherwise enter your ear. Unless you have some medical issue there is no need to clean your ears, they regulate themselves.
https://youtu.be/M3GrFk8XQQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzo5gxdNuyAReplies: @Kronos
They really are “Extreme Texans.”
Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
TB, anyone?Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob
Paul Theroux in his book Riding the Iron Rooster said the Chinese spit everywhere.
Oh jeez, no one has discussed what KIND of litter! Could you (seriously) tell a black neighborhood from a Hispanic one just by the litter alone?
I bet you could! That’s like a primary strategy amongst archeologists.
Not the narrative. Here in the SF Bay Area, Latinos have totally transformed two cities — Richmond and East Palo Alto. And most long-time Bay Area residents are utterly unaware of it.
I went to a book talk recently (at our last independent bookstore) — some geography prof from Berkeley talking about California demography. Classic leftist: that much was clear after 30 seconds. About San Jose (the biggest city in Silicon Valley) he said the story is techies pricing out and driving out the working class. I objected: San Jose is 1/3 Hispanic; San Jose’s working class is still going strong, it’s just that a white working class has been replaced by a Hispanic working class.
Public deuce dropping is a major issue in India.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
This is so bad it’s almost Soviet.
Amy Wax speaks well.
> Attacked by Vox reporter Zack Beauchamp for this
“Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! … Kaw! Kaw! Kaw!”
Indeed. The fear should be on the other side of the aisle.
Unlike Trump, you may have paid keen attention during your 12th grade Government class and got a gold star and everything, but evidently you’ve been sleep-walking through How Things Actually Work. Pro-tip:”pork barrel” is not a phrase which occurs in the US Constitution. And yet, nevertheless, mysteriously….
With blacks, it's mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I've also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.
With Latinos, it's everything they consume. On the ground it goes.
And with dot Indians, they dump their garbage in our waterways because that's what Shiva would want.Replies: @Anon
Perhaps you haven’t seen a Black neighborhood in some time. The streets and sidewalks are filled with every type of litter.
US Congressman absolutely have political power in their home districts, and those districts certainly reflect on Congressman. It looks like you’ve never spent a moment observing how government works.
You’re outlook also comports with that of the Left, who will attack Trump from every angle, no matter how relevant to “government” and true or not, but Trump can’t spar on similar terms lest he be called out as unusual. As if this age is usual, and that the Left doesn’t continuously rewrite the rules that it expects everyone to keep up with as long as they aren’t using them against the Left.
“Trumpian” isn’t a term except in delusional, majority-hostile Jew world. Use it and be associated with those who invented it (Bill Kristol comes to mind as a good candidate, but it could be David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, etc).
Its practically a Shibboleth for treasonous Jew after its over use by privileged ethnonationalist Jews pretending to be conservatives while attempting to disenfranchise the conservative base.
The border hoppers would be deported if the majority of Jews in the nation wouldn’t then rise up to call deportation anodda Shoah.
I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.Replies: @AP, @PSR
I remember that scene too. When I saw it I thought to myself ‘not a chance.’
Many years ago when I lived in Bermuda, I innocently commented on the number of Bermudians, men–not women-who spit in the street or in the gutter and everyone pretended never to have noticed, but having recently arrived there from England, it was quite noticeable to me.
In most respects Bermudians consider themselves to be very straight-laced and proper. In 1980 policemen were issuing tickets to cruise ship passengers who were wearing shorts that were too short (in the street, not on the beach) and it was considered rather louche to go into the bank wearing sandals with no socks. Soon after that ATMs were invented and people hardly needed to step foot in the banks any more.
“It's about RESPICT” (1:38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato
Next time in Singapore!
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
Ha! That could start your typical African Hair Studies major’s first Composition 101 term paper:
First the white man STOLED the nollidge bout How to make a trash can (All trash anyways was Recylced in Wakanda anyways) then the colonizers taught us how to Litter. Then with no place to put the Trash all Black peoples hands was full all the time. This then is how the slave owners caught them so Easily and put them on boats.
It’s a means of marking territory. To make rival gangs understand what’s what.
You can’t imagine it because litter is unsightly to you. It’s clearly not unsightly to Latinos. Which is to say that you are culturally superior and they are culturally inferior.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
Dead wrong. Americans “of all types” did not litter before that ad appeared. What the Left scorns as the bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly middle class, did not and do not litter.
I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the "bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class," as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?
Your are correct, of course, that now we "do not litter."Replies: @ricpic
“…we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.”
Because shhhhhhh, that’s the plan.
As usual, the blacks will be the last to figure out they are being bamboozled by the liberals.
Twitter is, for Trump, like motor vehicles were for the Kennedys: something they should be kept away from for their own, and everyone else’s, good.
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
A lot of contractors are slobs and have no respect for the property of those whom they work for. I once hired a contractor, and the two white guys he sent over – hard-living trailer-park types – used my entire yard as an ashtray. They couldn’t even be bothered to put out their cigs in a used soda bottle or drink cup. No, they just dropped the butts where-ever they happened to be standing. I was picking them up for a month afterwords.
Now that they have these floss-picks, I often see them lying discarded on the ground in parking lots. Odd, that people so devoted to dental hygiene don’t care about littering.
Do they try in waves? Like at 5 year intervals?
Gentrification is the closest thing to World War 1 military doctrine. You grab as much territory as possible and clench it tight. Often you’ll need to hold that territory for years until the next phase commencement. Footholds are essential.
Unless there’s a Hurricane Katrina, there’s no rapid advancement (blitzkrieg) for gentrification. You’ve touched on it before, but the LGBT members make excellent “shock troops” to lead initial assaults. They don’t (very often) have kids to worry about in bad neighborhoods.
“Oh Seymour, just imagine you and me vs. the urban jungle. Strong hard young men out on the prowl ROAR! It’ll be sooo exciting! (Just imagine the film “The Birdcage” without the son.)
But they may constitute the worst choice for gentrifying that Hispanic area. Many Hispanic Catholics often pretend Vatican II never happened and will/are actively hostile to that community. But the press will never smear them with the homophobic label. With the “Coalition of the Fringes” a Crown Heights confrontation is never far away.
Maybe they’ll wait until the next BIG earthquake then move in mass? Any bets on how the next earthquake will effect the housing market?
Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth
I have to agree, Sport. I’ve spent a lot of time in Little Uruguay, Little Argentina, and Little Sevilla…Spotless.
but even then, you can tell by the noise levels and food smells, and specially the offensive driving, that less whites live there...
as for littering, i agree, blacks do it more; but blacks in America have remained stagnant. thanks to abortion, blacks now can stuff themselves better with kool-aid and chicken nuggets, only barely evolving innovative traits, as the whites encourage only 1-2 baby monkeys. sure, that also means spending less in bullets or jail building than in PP; but then again that is also more money for already wealthy cosmopolitan doctors, and less for poor whites that work in the gun and security industries...
meanwhile hispanics are not only actually reproducing, but also like to visit other parts of the city more often, parks (they like animals a little better than blacks), bars and such. true, that means their litter is more visible, but on the other hand, more shame-able (even by the more stuck up Whispanics). which is why the gay+hipster gentrification crusaders still have trouble with them browner Hispanics, but much more so with blacks.
that said, these whitelib crusaders love mixing it up with the diverse in the first place, and will flee the gentrified areas if they become too "corporate", into smaller towns that they will elevate for a while before ruining. which was the whole point of the elitists and cosmopolitans who plan all of this... cities for them and their soon fully integrated 1984 machines, machinized statewide crops owned by megaconglomerates, + whatever remaining wasteland for the rest.
Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:
https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg
An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:
http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg
Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.
Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus
Why Western European?
In Japan, it’s a lot cleaner and less litter, than e.g. England.
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Also I’m imagining many people who idealize Western Europe, have not actually lived there, or visited outside bourgeois areas.
I like England or Ireland, – and bourgeois areas of England are civilized paradise. But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.
But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England - one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:
https://i.imgur.com/LoPUleU.jpgReplies: @AndrewR
Blacks are here and we cannot do much about them. While Hispanics have immigrated here legally and illegally. They are still on guess status, even the ones born here. When they litter and bring their mestizo piggy littering habits from Mexico and Central America we get understandably angry.
The Hispanic population here in the Continental United States in 1946 was 1.5%, we won WW2 without them. This is not counting Puerto Rico its few millions of Hispanics back then. Hispanics are very Johnny come lately in America.
Traditional “Western European culture” – in maybe bottom 50% of England’s areas:
But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England – one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:
Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.
Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.
* The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w
Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus
“If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.”
Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
“Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial.”
And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.
“Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such.”
It wasn’t in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You’re grasping at straws here.
“Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was.”
Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.
LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.Replies: @Corvinus
No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.
Good for them.
Despite all their koombayah racial "we're all the same" rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.
White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.
This is normal and natural.
Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is "racist" (whatever that means).Replies: @nebulafox
It’s the lowest birth rate in the world, though I might add that the Singaporean Indians aren’t very far behind. Even the Singaporean Malays are below replacement rate now-my girlfriend’s grandmother had 11 children, she is one of two.
As is nearly always the case, the government doesn’t seem to understand that if you want more fertility among the natives, you need to make family formation conditions more feasible and practical, especially for the potential mothers who bear the biological brunt of the process. Less ridiculous rent prices, for one thing, would help-and mass immigration just makes that particular problem worse.
>No one complains about it.
I agree with your broader point. Although there’s the occasional Economist editorial condemning the Japanese and South Koreans for their strict immigration policies, there’s no analogue to the mass condemnation of anybody in predominantly white countries who advocates stricter immigration. But in reality, it’s nowhere near a neo-sakoku policy: if you have a hard science PhD and want to create a tech startup, getting a visa isn’t overly difficult even if you come from, say, Bangladesh. The East Asians see their future in robots in dealing with their aging population, and honestly, that’s not a bad move. With less rent and less cut-throat competition, people will have time to have kids again eventually. Japan’s population will shrink, but it will survive just fine.
But the irony of this is that the Singaporeans themselves do: there are massive cultural and psychological differences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, and the latter feel far more at home with non-Han Singaporeans than the mainlanders-proof that the policies of the 70s worked beyond anyone’s imagination. Combine that with the fact that they drive up rent prices and work/school competition on an island already dealing with more than enough of that, and it isn’t a popular policy, even among Chinese Singaporeans. But Singapore isn’t a democracy, and like everybody else in the region, they not irrationally see the future with the PRC.
Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:
https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg
An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:
http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg
Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.
Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus
“An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos…”
Latino’s enjoy hiking the Catskills? Wow, you learn something everyday. I think what really happened is you have a guilty conscious for soiling a virgin area and are seeking to blame someone else.
“Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing.”
Depends upon what you mean by littering. Refer to Comment 36.
https://www.alleghenyfront.org/the-psychology-of-littering
It would seem, however, given how white people love the outdoors, they are by far are the most notorious litterers. I gather it is one of our inborn traits--our ancestors in Europe would just thrown trash away and hope the critters would gobble it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/03/woodland-trust-sees-worst-year-for-flytipping-on-record
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423077-national-parks-facing-litter-illegal-activity-without-rangers
https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors/article/National-parks-set-their-sights-on-being-12243683.php
On a related matter, white people certainly have major difficulties handling their trash.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/why-is-rome-drowning-in-trash
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/12/how-russias-attempt-to-solve-its-trash-crisis-is-backfiring-a63795
Furthermore, white-led nations deport their old electronics to worthy countries. I suppose they are just paying tribute to Trump's pronouncement that since third-world are hellholes, why not contribute to their misery.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5197792/philippines-canada-garbage-containers/
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-02/us-still-dumping-some-its-toxic-e-waste-overseas
They need our labor question, too,
And politics and fraud—
We’ve made a pretty mess at home,
Let’s make a mess abroad!
Not in Singapore. Littering fines range from $300 to $1,000 for first time offenders. Both fines rise up to $5,000 for third-time offenders with the possibility of facing jail time.
Must be an Asian thing.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/why-japanese-dont-litterReplies: @nebulafox
>Must be an Asian thing.
Hardly. Just cross the border to Johor Bahru. Casual littering is the least of their problems. When I was there a few months ago, the Pasir Gudang chemical spill had just happened, and even the Singaporeans were in a tizzy to make sure their air quality (already suffering from the annual brush fires in Sumatra) and water cleanliness weren’t affected.
Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures.
That is an interesting opinion. Maybe you are right.
I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the “bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class,” as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?
Your are correct, of course, that now we “do not litter.”
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
You’re damned right, my man. Beginning in 1619, white men began to haul the world’s most execrable trash from the jungles of Africa in order to pollute the then pristine continent of North America. How stupid and short sighted they were.
Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
"Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."
And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.
"Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."
It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.
"Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."
Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias
Corvi, I am deigning right now to respond to one part of your pointless post. Normally I just ignore you.
You wrote:
I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience. It is not a big problem, so I don’t care. I have just picked up the bottles, cans and packages that I have found on the ground after they have left. No big deal. BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.
You are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Do you even own property? Hire anybody? Don’t bother answering. I won’t respond.
“Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures.”
There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.
“the Pasir Gudang chemical spill…”
A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.
Even such things happen in the States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/us/chemical-spill-muddies-picture-in-a-state-wary-of-regulations.html
Not to mention the hordes of stray dogs running around.
Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
"Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."
And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.
"Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."
It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.
"Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."
Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias
“Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo.”
LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.
I understand that the truth makes you uncomfortable. But the fact is that from roofing to siding to mowing to snow removal, those squatty Guatamalans and those chunky Mexicans work like the dickens to make sure everything is cleaned up. Just try a tad bit NOTICING next time. You might be surprised what you see.
The more you know...
There is nothing "dumb" in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.
"the Pasir Gudang chemical spill..."
A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.
Even such things happen in the States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/us/chemical-spill-muddies-picture-in-a-state-wary-of-regulations.htmlReplies: @nebulafox
>There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.
But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.
>A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.
Ah, but Corvy, you claimed that you NOTICED that whites are particularly predisposed to littering: and presumably with worse when it comes to the environment. If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?
In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?
The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.
"If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?"
It's called an outlier.
"In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?"
I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.Replies: @nebulafox
What sort of American hates his country so much that he would vote for Trump?
Southern Italians are also big litterers. Russia is also a pig sty everywhere outside central Moscow. I have always felt this is connected to a lack of civic spirit. Italians and Russians keep their own homes clean, but feel no responsibility to take care of “someone else’s “ property.
Government dumps 2 million used tires of coast of Ft. Lauderdale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11462066
Compare that to Nipsey Hustle: Opens an expensive boutique selling his own original brand in an out and out slum. He died just in time. Now others can be blamed for its bankruptcy.
Even a blind man will notice the difference between a black and a Mexican neighborhood.
Although, my father used to advocate leaving grocery carts in the lot in our pristine New England town because he felt that perfoming self-service by putting them back would put the cart-gathering guys (teens or local down syndrome types at the time c. 1995) out of work.
“But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.”
The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.
“If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?”
It’s called an outlier.
“In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?”
I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.
LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.Replies: @Corvinus
“LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.”
I understand that the truth makes you uncomfortable. But the fact is that from roofing to siding to mowing to snow removal, those squatty Guatamalans and those chunky Mexicans work like the dickens to make sure everything is cleaned up. Just try a tad bit NOTICING next time. You might be surprised what you see.
The more you know…
“I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience.”
Right, YOUR experience. But as in all groups you have individuals who are outliers. But it is common knowledge that Hispanics are hardworking and want to leave a good impression, especially if they know they could be deported at anytime for anything.
“BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.”
LOL, so you knowingly and willingly hire illegals to cut down your bushes or paint your house or do other jobs around your domicile. But, since you deem it “clown world” that you live in, you can justify your decision without coming across as being a hypocrite. (rolling of eyes)
I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the "bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class," as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?
Your are correct, of course, that now we "do not litter."Replies: @ricpic
Yes, I’m old enough to remember. I can remember trips to Jones Beach in the 1950’s. That’s right, the 1950’s. Absolutely NO LITTERING. Waste receptacles were everywhere and WERE USED. I shudder to think what the place is now.
Yeah that video got memory holed pretty quickly. God, leftists are awful.
Wow, Jones Beach. I went there with a client of mine for a double concert, Paul Simon and Bob Dylan. Yep, both of them in one night… late 1990s.
Paul had his huge “world” band of the time behind him. Lots of plinka-plinka-plinka, oom-ba oom-ba oom-ba ad infinitum. Then, after intermission, Bob came on stage with his minimal band of three or four other people at most. A woman in front of me said, “his band is small,” and I instantly replied out loud, “thank God.” Folks around me appreciated that comment, because Paul Simon gave off nothing more than the air of a douche with more support than he deserves. He was better with his old friend Art. Bob did his thing and whatever; never impressed me as much as everyone else; but he was far better than Mr. Simon that night.
No littering, but I think my client went off during intermission to shoot up or something. The only reason he invited me to that concert was because he couldn’t drive anymore. He took me out in his Maserati one time, but then lost his license and died from mysterious causes. Needles carry diseases.
We need a “retard” button, along with the troll button, just for Corky.
Thanks AN and for some amusing…. check out YouTube for” lost in the shuffle”.
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Tell us more about your business back then and your strange “clients”.
Only use Q-Tips on the outer ear. If you use it on the inside it shoves more earwax into the ear canal.
After the Civil Rights Movement, many black members created their own private fiefdoms in government. Many of them are quite old. Reminds me of a certain photo taken during the 1980s. The photo featured all of the world’s communist leaders in Moscow. Everyone was essentially very old (and quite fat.) Communist elections are similar to inner city black elections. There’s often only one person to vote for.
Boring.
But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England - one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:
https://i.imgur.com/LoPUleU.jpgReplies: @AndrewR
Lol what were they even fighting over? Good Lord.
I’ve always felt you could determine a diverse neighborhood from a White neighborhood, by simply observing where the shopping carts are left in the parking lot of a grocery store. The more carts that make it into cart holding areas the Whiter the area is, the more carts just left all over the parking lot, the more diverse it is.
worked grocery in a SFLo suburb as a teen
and as I've seen the area "change" and "speak more Spanish", the carts are more haphazardly about in any parking lot
and there's more of the machines that just pile them up
and thus less teenagers working, and grown "urban" men replacing them
and people going to the ever-fancier walmart more often anyway
driving farther and consuming more gas on their silly "greener" cars
more traffic, less time at home, which becomes artificially expensive so the Machine can give you a little more credit to live, and to waste away on newer cars and college careers for the kids
more time in long lines in centralized shopping malls, with people-cattle who don't care for the express cashier item limit, with employees that don't care to ask for better terms or cheaper insurance, since most already come in a banana boat and don't mind living in debt, as long as the newest tv is bought in time for the fifa world cup...
more time to live, more money to waste, less wealth saved, less time enjoyed... the worst of all worlds...
then everyone clutched at their handkerchiefs when parkland happened...
and like the xxxtentacion-loving blacks they've become identified with, the sofloers think candlelight vigils will solve everything...
some sections of Miami are like that, as 60% of Hispanics coming are from the center-left side of the paperbag test…
but even then, you can tell by the noise levels and food smells, and specially the offensive driving, that less whites live there…
as for littering, i agree, blacks do it more; but blacks in America have remained stagnant. thanks to abortion, blacks now can stuff themselves better with kool-aid and chicken nuggets, only barely evolving innovative traits, as the whites encourage only 1-2 baby monkeys. sure, that also means spending less in bullets or jail building than in PP; but then again that is also more money for already wealthy cosmopolitan doctors, and less for poor whites that work in the gun and security industries…
meanwhile hispanics are not only actually reproducing, but also like to visit other parts of the city more often, parks (they like animals a little better than blacks), bars and such. true, that means their litter is more visible, but on the other hand, more shame-able (even by the more stuck up Whispanics). which is why the gay+hipster gentrification crusaders still have trouble with them browner Hispanics, but much more so with blacks.
that said, these whitelib crusaders love mixing it up with the diverse in the first place, and will flee the gentrified areas if they become too “corporate”, into smaller towns that they will elevate for a while before ruining. which was the whole point of the elitists and cosmopolitans who plan all of this… cities for them and their soon fully integrated 1984 machines, machinized statewide crops owned by megaconglomerates, + whatever remaining wasteland for the rest.
Legit 1000%
worked grocery in a SFLo suburb as a teen
and as I’ve seen the area “change” and “speak more Spanish”, the carts are more haphazardly about in any parking lot
and there’s more of the machines that just pile them up
and thus less teenagers working, and grown “urban” men replacing them
and people going to the ever-fancier walmart more often anyway
driving farther and consuming more gas on their silly “greener” cars
more traffic, less time at home, which becomes artificially expensive so the Machine can give you a little more credit to live, and to waste away on newer cars and college careers for the kids
more time in long lines in centralized shopping malls, with people-cattle who don’t care for the express cashier item limit, with employees that don’t care to ask for better terms or cheaper insurance, since most already come in a banana boat and don’t mind living in debt, as long as the newest tv is bought in time for the fifa world cup…
more time to live, more money to waste, less wealth saved, less time enjoyed… the worst of all worlds…
then everyone clutched at their handkerchiefs when parkland happened…
and like the xxxtentacion-loving blacks they’ve become identified with, the sofloers think candlelight vigils will solve everything…
The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.
"If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?"
It's called an outlier.
"In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?"
I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.Replies: @nebulafox
>The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.
But the average person doesn’t have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News. That’s the media’s responsibility: so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth-just as they get ever more… dare I say, religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.
>It’s called an outlier.
Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy. You tend to NOTICE things for yourself.
>I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.
Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life, but you’re an adult, you can go figure that out.
Now more than ever, the average person has that ability. Typical deflection on your part.
"That’s the media’s responsibility..."
Which they generally fulfill.
"so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth"
I thought victimhood was purely a liberal trait.
"religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so."
According to Who/Whom?
"Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy."
True, living abroad gives a person a unique perspective, but not one that truly comprehends the ins and outs had they been residing here.
"Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life..."
I live life to the fullest. The Bible assuredly assists in that matter, and Vox Day is simply used as a cudgel to blast apart the Alt Right "anti-white" narrative.
“But the average person doesn’t have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News.”
Now more than ever, the average person has that ability. Typical deflection on your part.
“That’s the media’s responsibility…”
Which they generally fulfill.
“so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth”
I thought victimhood was purely a liberal trait.
“religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.”
According to Who/Whom?
“Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy.”
True, living abroad gives a person a unique perspective, but not one that truly comprehends the ins and outs had they been residing here.
“Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life…”
I live life to the fullest. The Bible assuredly assists in that matter, and Vox Day is simply used as a cudgel to blast apart the Alt Right “anti-white” narrative.
Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world
Read Kirai Desai
Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL
A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy
This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon
Why the hell were Buddha, Guru Nanak, and Kabir complaining about caste system in India, centuries and mellania before Brits showed up?