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Littering is a famous social problem, but not one that much academic research has been devoted to in recent decades, probably because of the obvious ethnic and immigrant angles.

I’ve been wondering why I tend to assume that Latino Littering is more of a problem than Black Littering. I think the answer I’ve come up with is a useful distinction.

Latino littering is more noticeable because littering is linked to population density, and Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.

Another question is whether Latino littering is related to the turf-marking impulse displayed in Latino graffiti.

By the way, here’s the full text of Penn law professor Amy Wax’s much denounced speech on, among much else, littering.

 
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  1. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember hearing a lot about catcalling several years ago. Perhaps that stopped when people realized the “disparate impact” cracking down would have.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    @Anonymous

    A women carried a camera with her and recorded everyone in Manhattan catcalling her.

    The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

    Replies: @fish, @Pericles

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Around the time of the catcall boom you started to see a lot of essays by middle aged women writing about how sad they were when they realized the catcalls for them had stopped, and they started to become invisible to men in general.

    I think all of this segued into the "Don't tell me to smile" period.

    At the moment the feminist pet peeve seems to have gone on to "Ask me questions during first dates. But not my weight. By the way, how tall are you?"

  2. In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    @Spangel


    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
     
    A prudent policy.
    , @Kronos
    @Spangel

    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations. Ones involving the attachment of fireworks to sledgehammers. He theorized it may exist to keep white retirees out of the good spots.
    What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Spangel

    I also think blacks litter as more of a territorial thing. Steve notes that America was socially engineered away from casual litter, but inner city blacks weren't. It's surely seen as weak, compliant, a 'white thing.'

    I've seen black mothers slap a candy wrapper out of their child's hand. I've seen them tell them to throw trash on the ground when a bin was within sight.

    Black public housing is always littered with chicken bones and shrimp tails. Why? I think it's a sad form of conspicuous consumption: Look what I had for dinner! Whatju have n***a, a candy bar and a beatin' from yo mamma's boyfren'?

    , @AnotherDad
    @Spangel


    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
     
    I think you nailed it, Spangel.

    Black littering is routine ... but it's in typical trashy black neighborhoods that--most of them, especially outside the south--have been trashy black neighborhoods for a generation.

    The black population of Southern California is actually stagnant. While the Latinos are actually colonizing the San Fernando Valley, so Steve's seeing the litter ramp up right before his eyes.
    , @International Jew
    @Spangel


    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
     
    Exactly. Latino neighborhoods have restaurants Steve may like, and Latinos like going to parks.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Prodigal son

    , @Truth
    @Spangel


    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.
     
    I have to agree, Sport. I've spent a lot of time in Little Uruguay, Little Argentina, and Little Sevilla...Spotless.

    Replies: @Disordered Amusements

  3. Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Voyager77
    @Tiny Duck

    LOL!!!

    , @fish
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys......


    Theys you’n Goez agin.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.
     
    Well, yes. Before the white man came, all packaging was biodegradable, and eventually disappeared.


    https://www.loupiote.com/photos_m/woman-carrying-basket-head-india-3711220786.jpg
    , @More R1b, Less H1B
    @Tiny Duck


    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.
     
    Ha! That could start your typical African Hair Studies major's first Composition 101 term paper:

    First the white man STOLED the nollidge bout How to make a trash can (All trash anyways was Recylced in Wakanda anyways) then the colonizers taught us how to Litter. Then with no place to put the Trash all Black peoples hands was full all the time. This then is how the slave owners caught them so Easily and put them on boats.
    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Tiny Duck


    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.
     
    You're damned right, my man. Beginning in 1619, white men began to haul the world's most execrable trash from the jungles of Africa in order to pollute the then pristine continent of North America. How stupid and short sighted they were.
    , @indocon
    @Tiny Duck

    Why the hell were Buddha, Guru Nanak, and Kabir complaining about caste system in India, centuries and mellania before Brits showed up?

  4. Latino Littering is generally because they don’t know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.

    Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture – they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We’re stuck with it.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @William Badwhite

    For some time now I’ve taken note of the waste streams of Latino and black litterers in CA. Food wrapping is a major component of litter for both blacks and Latinos, but blacks tend to eat near where they buy food, like in parking lots of grocery stores or fast food restaurants, and throw waste out car windows. Much like pigeons, they drop their guano before they take off. Hispanics don’t eat in their cars so much — they treat their car interiors like mobile living rooms and usually eat inside restaurants or take food stuffs to a park. So Latino food waste ends up in McDonalds trash bins or strewn on public spaces rather than on the grounds of commercial venues.

    Similarly, blacks and Latinos both dump household effluvia like mattresses, tires, and broken furniture, but blacks dump it close to home. Either they start a junk pile in their back yard or they dump waste on a neighborhood street or a public project sidewalk. Latinos typically drag their effluvia a way off from home, dumping it under a highway overpass or on a vacant lot. I suspect that if landfills didn’t charge hefty dumping fees to local residents Latinos might be more likely to dispose of household waste lawfully.

    I’m inclined to believe Latino littering behavior can be modified, since Latinos are capable of shame, but blacks are fairly shameless so yes, I believe their oppositional cultural, which arises from their inherently oppositional behavior, will be near impossible to change without implementing the corporal punishment system of Singapore.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @William Badwhite


    Latino Littering is generally because they don’t know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.
     
    I think this is true. I once stayed in an idyllic summer cottage by a river in the hills of the Dominican Republic where there was no garbage pickup. The residents just threw the trash out of the window, and much of it was eaten by a goat, and thus recycled.

    When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.

    In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @Marty
    @William Badwhite

    So true. Will never forget watching an obese black guy about 30 exiting Walgreens in SF marina district ten years ago. There was a garbage can right next to the exit door, and a rack of free-newspaper dispensers at the edge of the sidewalk. So he sticks his ice cream cup and candy bar wrapper in with the newspapers, and gives me the “wutchoo gonna do about it?” look.

  5. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a “rodent infested mess”;

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html

    Trump calls Baltimore a ‘disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess’ in attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings

    • LOL: Laurence Whelk
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    Replies: @JimB, @Peter Akuleyev, @Kronos

    , @Laurence Whelk
    @Anonymous

    “Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a ‘rodent infested mess’”

    A stopped clock...

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    The President owes rodents an apology for that. They have better taste.

    , @International Jew
    @Anonymous

    Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump's responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren't Cummings' job; he's a US Congressman.

    Trump's comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.

    I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

  6. Latino littering, like Latino graffiti, is pissing on turf in the vast subconscious of la Raza Reconquista. They are expansionist. Blacks, as a group in America, are not.

  7. One thing I noticed in Singapore is that there’s way more litter around places like Woodlands station than there would have been a couple of decades ago, when I first visited the city-state as a kid. Nothing San Francisco 2019 level, the place was still very clean by American standards-as you probably would guess, certainly no piss bottles or dirty needles or excrement hanging around-but still, for Singaporeans used to squeaky clean everything, seeing litter around at all is noticeable.

    Local consensus seems to blame this and other things on middle and working-class immigrants from the PRC. This is not politically correct, as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese, but it is plausible. Having never been subject to decades of nonstop coaching with fines and canings awaiting those who couldn’t get with the program quickly enough by the late Lee Kwan Yew, they bring old-time habits with them, including spitting and the kinds of disgusting behavior in public toilets that you will regularly find in mainland China or Malaysia. (If anything, they were subject to polar opposite social engineering during the Cultural Revolution, which mainstreamized peasant behavior.) And now that the old man is dead, things just aren’t as strict as they used to be, apparently.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @nebulafox

    Upon visiting Manhattan's Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
    Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
    TB, anyone?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @nebulafox

    "Bring back Chairman Mao!" - Godfree Roberts, unz.com writer

    , @Moses
    @nebulafox


    as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese,
     
    The fertility rate for ethnic Chinese native Singaporeans is around 1, far below replacement. The Singapore gubment is importing Chinese Chinese to keep ethnic Chinese race a supermajority in Singapore, around 75%.

    No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.

    Good for them.

    Despite all their koombayah racial "we're all the same" rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.

    White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.

    This is normal and natural.

    Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is "racist" (whatever that means).

    Replies: @nebulafox

  8. One useful comparison would be between the litter left after an outdoor festival held by Group A and one held by Group B. I know from my time in Toronto that the Caribbeans’ street festival, Caribana left an obscene amount of litter behind it. Not so with events held by Poles or Greeks, let alone outdoor events held by us deprecated Canadians.

  9. I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Paul


    Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?
     
    Writ large, i.e. inviting/welcoming third-world foreigners into your nation/state/city, is doing just that: trashing the neighborhood where you live.
    , @Carbon blob
    @Paul

    Simple ethos of that's-somebody-else's-job-ism. Some societies believe that picking up (as well as a host of other taks) is somebody else's job.

    , @Kronos
    @Paul

    It’s a means of marking territory. To make rival gangs understand what’s what.

    https://youtu.be/P1CbdF2JAN0

    , @ricpic
    @Paul

    You can't imagine it because litter is unsightly to you. It's clearly not unsightly to Latinos. Which is to say that you are culturally superior and they are culturally inferior.

  10. Stop reading comments and go read the Amy Wax transcript. Thanks for linking, Steve.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon7

    David French Strikes Again!

    We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/

    Replies: @Anon7

  11. I once lived in New Orleans. The distance from my house to the Burger King was exactly one meal. I could tell because the refuse was left on the sidewalk in front of my house.

  12. Can you imagine how this would go in 2019??

    “It’s about RESPICT” (1:38)

    • Replies: @guest
    @CCZ

    In high school I was taping a little school project video which included a shot of me throwing an empty pop bottle and missing the trash. Although I was quite clearly being followed by a camera, an elderly passerby scolded me with "You know where the barrel is?...Stick it in there!" during my single take.

    His voice was full of earnest pathos. This is a thing that happens.

    I did not seek redress at the nearest civil rights office.

    , @JimB
    @CCZ

    Hey, isn’t that Vallejo, CA?

    , @El Dato
    @CCZ

    Next time in Singapore!

  13. Closely linked to littering is public spitting, and recently Minneapolis got rid of its spitting and lurking laws because racism. I don’t remember browns being mentioned. Blacks were of course the primary villain-heroes.

    Funny thing though, they did mention Red Indians. Is there some kind of spitting thing in Indian culture?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @guest

    There was a spitting thing in cowboy culture. When Americans were learning not to litter in the 1970s, junior high school boys in the Rockies were chewing tobacco, spitting and getting in trouble for it.

    For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.

    Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist

  14. “Another question is whether Latino littering is related to the turf-marking impulse displayed in Latino graffiti.”

    A similar turf-marking impulse is what dogs do when they use the fire hydrant, trees, etc. Who is the alpha dog, the big dog, etc. In a sense, both are marking their spot, and both are ultimately littering.

  15. @CCZ
    Can you imagine how this would go in 2019??

    “It's about RESPICT” (1:38)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4

    Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato

    In high school I was taping a little school project video which included a shot of me throwing an empty pop bottle and missing the trash. Although I was quite clearly being followed by a camera, an elderly passerby scolded me with “You know where the barrel is?…Stick it in there!” during my single take.

    His voice was full of earnest pathos. This is a thing that happens.

    I did not seek redress at the nearest civil rights office.

  16. @Anon7
    Stop reading comments and go read the Amy Wax transcript. Thanks for linking, Steve.

    Replies: @Anon

    David French Strikes Again!

    We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Anon

    Interesting article, but French strikes me as an apologist for our current immigration mess; he likes non-European elites like bright Indians as well as (apparently) exotic Africans. He adopted an Ethiopian girl into his family.

    Neither French nor Wax for that matter seem interested in what seems to me to be our most vital concern, namely, figuring out how to heal our damaged white communities. We can’t cure what’s wrong with us by inviting a better class of people to come here, regardless of whether you’re partial to first world people or third world people.

    We’ve badly damaged white communities 1) economically by outsourcing industry, illegal immigration and legal H1B tech labor, 2) by flooding these communities with opiates when the pain and depression hit, and of course 3) by adopting feminist ideas that marginalize and destroy America’s most productive people, white men.

  17. @William Badwhite
    Latino Littering is generally because they don't know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.

    Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty

    For some time now I’ve taken note of the waste streams of Latino and black litterers in CA. Food wrapping is a major component of litter for both blacks and Latinos, but blacks tend to eat near where they buy food, like in parking lots of grocery stores or fast food restaurants, and throw waste out car windows. Much like pigeons, they drop their guano before they take off. Hispanics don’t eat in their cars so much — they treat their car interiors like mobile living rooms and usually eat inside restaurants or take food stuffs to a park. So Latino food waste ends up in McDonalds trash bins or strewn on public spaces rather than on the grounds of commercial venues.

    Similarly, blacks and Latinos both dump household effluvia like mattresses, tires, and broken furniture, but blacks dump it close to home. Either they start a junk pile in their back yard or they dump waste on a neighborhood street or a public project sidewalk. Latinos typically drag their effluvia a way off from home, dumping it under a highway overpass or on a vacant lot. I suspect that if landfills didn’t charge hefty dumping fees to local residents Latinos might be more likely to dispose of household waste lawfully.

    I’m inclined to believe Latino littering behavior can be modified, since Latinos are capable of shame, but blacks are fairly shameless so yes, I believe their oppositional cultural, which arises from their inherently oppositional behavior, will be near impossible to change without implementing the corporal punishment system of Singapore.

  18. @CCZ
    Can you imagine how this would go in 2019??

    “It's about RESPICT” (1:38)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4

    Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato

    Hey, isn’t that Vallejo, CA?

  19. @William Badwhite
    Latino Littering is generally because they don't know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.

    Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty

    Latino Littering is generally because they don’t know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.

    I think this is true. I once stayed in an idyllic summer cottage by a river in the hills of the Dominican Republic where there was no garbage pickup. The residents just threw the trash out of the window, and much of it was eaten by a goat, and thus recycled.

    When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.

    In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Jonathan Mason

    Q tips damage your hearing in the long term. Some wax is a good thing as it catches stuff that would otherwise enter your ear. Unless you have some medical issue there is no need to clean your ears, they regulate themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos

  20. To be fair, some white rednecks up in the woods of Maine litter quite terribly. For them, it’s mostly beer cans after driving to the local swimming hole on their ATVs.

    With blacks, it’s mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I’ve also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.

    With Latinos, it’s everything they consume. On the ground it goes.

    And with dot Indians, they dump their garbage in our waterways because that’s what Shiva would want.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bragadocious


    With blacks, it’s mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I’ve also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.
     
    Perhaps you haven't seen a Black neighborhood in some time. The streets and sidewalks are filled with every type of litter.
  21. @Anonymous
    Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a "rodent infested mess";

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html


    Trump calls Baltimore a ‘disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess’ in attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings
     

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Redneck farmer


    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?
     
    The kind of people who mistake him for George Foreman.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Redneck farmer

    What sort of American hates his country so much that he would vote for Trump?

    , @Kronos
    @Redneck farmer

    After the Civil Rights Movement, many black members created their own private fiefdoms in government. Many of them are quite old. Reminds me of a certain photo taken during the 1980s. The photo featured all of the world’s communist leaders in Moscow. Everyone was essentially very old (and quite fat.) Communist elections are similar to inner city black elections. There’s often only one person to vote for.

  22. @Paul
    I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Carbon blob, @Kronos, @ricpic

    Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    Writ large, i.e. inviting/welcoming third-world foreigners into your nation/state/city, is doing just that: trashing the neighborhood where you live.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  23. I’m thinking a public service campaign featuring an Aztec warrior crying when he sees trash in the bushes of Azatlan. Later he sees a white person littering and cuts his heart out.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  24. If you dont give a shit you litter, go to a nice blued eyed mexican gated community in Mexico and there is no litter. I lived in a mud hut village in Africa and they swept up all the goat dropping and chicken shit everyday and burnt it. Every year after the rains they replastered the mud huts. They cared about their village. It is not always a race thing but yes, often it is.

    If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Haole

    Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there'd be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.

    Replies: @Haole, @Anonymous, @Prosa123

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Haole

    Haha, Haole, I've got just the article to refute that, from Unz's man with boots on the Mexican ground*, Fred Reed. Mr. Reed, in
    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague
    , complains about the old gringas (it's a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he'd moved to the gated community, besides "For strange reasons irrelevant here" - direct quote.)

    .


    * If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.

    Replies: @Clyde

  25. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    LOL!!!

  26. @William Badwhite
    Latino Littering is generally because they don't know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.

    Black Littering is due to their oppositional culture - they do it to be assholes and to show how little respect they have for society. We're stuck with it.

    Replies: @JimB, @Jonathan Mason, @Marty

    So true. Will never forget watching an obese black guy about 30 exiting Walgreens in SF marina district ten years ago. There was a garbage can right next to the exit door, and a rack of free-newspaper dispensers at the edge of the sidewalk. So he sticks his ice cream cup and candy bar wrapper in with the newspapers, and gives me the “wutchoo gonna do about it?” look.

  27. @Anonymous
    I remember hearing a lot about catcalling several years ago. Perhaps that stopped when people realized the "disparate impact" cracking down would have.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anon

    A women carried a camera with her and recorded everyone in Manhattan catcalling her.

    The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Jimi

    Well...it be likes Tinys says..... white wimminz crave men’s o kolor.

    , @Pericles
    @Jimi

    If memory serves, that video was at first presented as showing how bad men in general are. Then you wouldn't believe what some people noticed. Then it kind of dropped out of the conversation.

    Record '10 hours of wearing a MAGA hat in New York' and you'll instead draw out the whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  28. I spend most of my time in the Southeast, but in a city with a sizable, recently arrived latino population. My kids play soccer, and all of us parents have noticed the amazing sea of discarded plastic bottles and wrappers left behind when our team plays a latino team. We’ve noticed, but we only acknowledge we’ve noticed in shrugs, nods, and knowing smiles.

    I’ve never noticed anything similar with black teams, because there are no black teams — blacks don’t play soccer, unless they are middle-class suburbanites, just like the rest of us.

    I offer two testable hypotheses:
    1) latinos interact with whites (go to the same places, do the same thing) more than blacks do, and therefore their littering is more noticed.
    2) lower-class blacks don’t consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.

    My money is on number 1.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Cato


    lower-class blacks don’t consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.
     
    Or rather, they spend as much. But they're not going to toss their Dr Dre Beats after one use.
  29. I knew a Native American who used to go on and on about how his people respected the earth more than whites did. But go to any reservation and you’ll see an inordinate amount of litter.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    @Fidelios Automata

    Reminds me of the line from "Little Big Man" where the character Jack Crabbe reminisces of his childhood spent with the Cheyenne, how when approaching a village one couldn't distinguish between entering the village or its garbage dump. In "Custer and Crazy Horse, Two American Warriors," Stephen Ambrose discussed the matter of the American Indian's so-called respect for the environment, explaining the destruction to Nature that was involved in the raising of a native village.

    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Fidelios Automata

    Not to mention the hordes of stray dogs running around.

  30. @Haole
    If you dont give a shit you litter, go to a nice blued eyed mexican gated community in Mexico and there is no litter. I lived in a mud hut village in Africa and they swept up all the goat dropping and chicken shit everyday and burnt it. Every year after the rains they replastered the mud huts. They cared about their village. It is not always a race thing but yes, often it is.

    If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Achmed E. Newman

    Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there’d be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.

    • Replies: @Haole
    @Fidelios Automata

    I lived in Tchad for 2 years. I am only talking about one village. They pretty much used outhouses. I lived in Addis Ababa back in the 1960s and it was a half million people shitting every where.

    , @Anonymous
    @Fidelios Automata

    If they carried a shovel and buried their shit it would improve the soil. Human excrement is a good thing when buried in the dirt.Worms eat it and make worm shit and aerate it, and plants grow.

    Left on the surface it's a noxious health hazard.

    , @Prosa123
    @Fidelios Automata

    Public deuce dropping is a major issue in India.

  31. If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call “Latino,” or even “Hispanic” are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Exactly, Buzz. The type of litter from even just back to the beginning of the 20th century was stuff that Mother Earth could clean up herself, if the numbers are small. As Peak Stupidity mentioned in Are American Indians Slobs?, 5 million (estimate) people on the whole continent of North America could be cleaned up by Mother Nature with no help from the people themselves.

    , @anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone.

    Yes, the Mexican roofing crew left behind candy wrappers and a couple of soda cans. The new metal roof looks great though.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is so bad it's almost Soviet.

    , @ricpic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Dead wrong. Americans "of all types" did not litter before that ad appeared. What the Left scorns as the bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly middle class, did not and do not litter.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.
     
    A lot of contractors are slobs and have no respect for the property of those whom they work for. I once hired a contractor, and the two white guys he sent over - hard-living trailer-park types - used my entire yard as an ashtray. They couldn't even be bothered to put out their cigs in a used soda bottle or drink cup. No, they just dropped the butts where-ever they happened to be standing. I was picking them up for a month afterwords.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Corvinus
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived."

    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."

    And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.

    "Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."

    It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.

    "Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."

    Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias

  32. @Anon
    @Anon7

    David French Strikes Again!

    We should allow more immigrants from India than Europe.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/amy-waxs-critics-unfairly-smeared-her-but-shes-wrong/

    Replies: @Anon7

    Interesting article, but French strikes me as an apologist for our current immigration mess; he likes non-European elites like bright Indians as well as (apparently) exotic Africans. He adopted an Ethiopian girl into his family.

    Neither French nor Wax for that matter seem interested in what seems to me to be our most vital concern, namely, figuring out how to heal our damaged white communities. We can’t cure what’s wrong with us by inviting a better class of people to come here, regardless of whether you’re partial to first world people or third world people.

    We’ve badly damaged white communities 1) economically by outsourcing industry, illegal immigration and legal H1B tech labor, 2) by flooding these communities with opiates when the pain and depression hit, and of course 3) by adopting feminist ideas that marginalize and destroy America’s most productive people, white men.

  33. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    One thing I noticed in Singapore is that there's way more litter around places like Woodlands station than there would have been a couple of decades ago, when I first visited the city-state as a kid. Nothing San Francisco 2019 level, the place was still very clean by American standards-as you probably would guess, certainly no piss bottles or dirty needles or excrement hanging around-but still, for Singaporeans used to squeaky clean everything, seeing litter around at all is noticeable.

    Local consensus seems to blame this and other things on middle and working-class immigrants from the PRC. This is not politically correct, as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese, but it is plausible. Having never been subject to decades of nonstop coaching with fines and canings awaiting those who couldn't get with the program quickly enough by the late Lee Kwan Yew, they bring old-time habits with them, including spitting and the kinds of disgusting behavior in public toilets that you will regularly find in mainland China or Malaysia. (If anything, they were subject to polar opposite social engineering during the Cultural Revolution, which mainstreamized peasant behavior.) And now that the old man is dead, things just aren't as strict as they used to be, apparently.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Moses

    Upon visiting Manhattan’s Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
    Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
    TB, anyone?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @anonymous

    Spitting in the street is commonplace in China. Also, loudly belching is not considered rude, in fact, it can be seen as a compliment. The first time an old Chinese grandma ripped a massive belch while eating noodles on a ferry, I could not stop laughing.

    Generally, it has been my experience that there is a higher tolerance of audible farting in China.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    OK, now I've gotta tell my quick anecdote in my otherwise praiseful posts about personal experience with Chinese healthcare*. Inside the hospital, up on a floor, as we waited for blood test results, a woman in a scrubs type of get-up hawked a loogie (note the proper terminology, Nebula!) into the trash can near us. During the 20 minute wait, she did that 3 times. "Man, if a nurse did this in the US, she'd get canned, wouldn't she?" I asked. "No, she's not a nurse, she's a doctor." I was told. Man, did I feel like a male chauvinist!

    .

    * For those interested, see Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous

    Paul Theroux in his book Riding the Iron Rooster said the Chinese spit everywhere.

  34. Anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I remember hearing a lot about catcalling several years ago. Perhaps that stopped when people realized the "disparate impact" cracking down would have.

    Replies: @Jimi, @Anon

    Around the time of the catcall boom you started to see a lot of essays by middle aged women writing about how sad they were when they realized the catcalls for them had stopped, and they started to become invisible to men in general.

    I think all of this segued into the “Don’t tell me to smile” period.

    At the moment the feminist pet peeve seems to have gone on to “Ask me questions during first dates. But not my weight. By the way, how tall are you?”

  35. @guest
    Closely linked to littering is public spitting, and recently Minneapolis got rid of its spitting and lurking laws because racism. I don't remember browns being mentioned. Blacks were of course the primary villain-heroes.

    Funny thing though, they did mention Red Indians. Is there some kind of spitting thing in Indian culture?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    There was a spitting thing in cowboy culture. When Americans were learning not to litter in the 1970s, junior high school boys in the Rockies were chewing tobacco, spitting and getting in trouble for it.

    For those who don’t know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.

    Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn’t looking.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "...chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it."

    I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @stillCARealist
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Quite possibly the most disgusting habit on the planet. A friend's husband switched from cigarettes to chewing tobacco and she said she preferred him smoking. His gums were totally gross.

  36. As far as combating littering is concerned in the States, it required a major change in public consciousness.

    https://www.alleghenyfront.org/the-psychology-of-littering

    It would seem, however, given how white people love the outdoors, they are by far are the most notorious litterers. I gather it is one of our inborn traits–our ancestors in Europe would just thrown trash away and hope the critters would gobble it up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/03/woodland-trust-sees-worst-year-for-flytipping-on-record

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423077-national-parks-facing-litter-illegal-activity-without-rangers

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors/article/National-parks-set-their-sights-on-being-12243683.php

    On a related matter, white people certainly have major difficulties handling their trash.

    https://thepointsguy.com/news/why-is-rome-drowning-in-trash

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/12/how-russias-attempt-to-solve-its-trash-crisis-is-backfiring-a63795

    Furthermore, white-led nations deport their old electronics to worthy countries. I suppose they are just paying tribute to Trump’s pronouncement that since third-world are hellholes, why not contribute to their misery.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5197792/philippines-canada-garbage-containers/

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-02/us-still-dumping-some-its-toxic-e-waste-overseas

    They need our labor question, too,
    And politics and fraud—
    We’ve made a pretty mess at home,
    Let’s make a mess abroad!

    Not in Singapore. Littering fines range from $300 to $1,000 for first time offenders. Both fines rise up to $5,000 for third-time offenders with the possibility of facing jail time.

    Must be an Asian thing.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/why-japanese-dont-litter

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    >Must be an Asian thing.

    Hardly. Just cross the border to Johor Bahru. Casual littering is the least of their problems. When I was there a few months ago, the Pasir Gudang chemical spill had just happened, and even the Singaporeans were in a tizzy to make sure their air quality (already suffering from the annual brush fires in Sumatra) and water cleanliness weren't affected.

    Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures.

  37. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    Ohs Tinys……

    Theys you’n Goez agin.

  38. @Buzz Mohawk
    @guest

    There was a spitting thing in cowboy culture. When Americans were learning not to litter in the 1970s, junior high school boys in the Rockies were chewing tobacco, spitting and getting in trouble for it.

    For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.

    Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist

    “…chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it.”

    I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ozymandias

    The other 3/4 don't, because it will make them sick as dogs.

    I don't know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:


    The principle difference between the spitters and the swallowers is the tobacco preparation. Pasteurized processes (the Euporean style) allow disgestion of the saliva with no adverse effects to the stomach. Fermented tobacco (the America style) will make you sick and wish you were dead for many hours if swallowed.

    From "Spit or Swallow? The age-old question." Confessions of a Tobacco-Eater. February 16, 2013.

     

    Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.

    Replies: @Pericles

  39. AP says:

    Latinos are like white people from a few generations ago (or Russians from 5 years ago, who littered a lot). They like the outdoors, lakes, woods, spend time there with their families, but unfortunately litter. Blacks for whatever reason generally don’t seem to appreciate nature as much. So Latino littering is more noticeable.

    Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:

    An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:

    Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.

    Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @AP


    It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving).
     
    You too? Wow.

    I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.

    Replies: @AP, @PSR

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    Why Western European?

    In Japan, it's a lot cleaner and less litter, than e.g. England.

    -

    Also I'm imagining many people who idealize Western Europe, have not actually lived there, or visited outside bourgeois areas.

    I like England or Ireland, - and bourgeois areas of England are civilized paradise. But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Corvinus
    @AP

    "An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos..."

    Latino's enjoy hiking the Catskills? Wow, you learn something everyday. I think what really happened is you have a guilty conscious for soiling a virgin area and are seeking to blame someone else.

    "Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing."

    Depends upon what you mean by littering. Refer to Comment 36.

  40. @Jimi
    @Anonymous

    A women carried a camera with her and recorded everyone in Manhattan catcalling her.

    The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

    Replies: @fish, @Pericles

    Well…it be likes Tinys says….. white wimminz crave men’s o kolor.

  41. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    A prudent policy.

  42. @Anonymous
    Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a "rodent infested mess";

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html


    Trump calls Baltimore a ‘disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess’ in attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings
     

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    “Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a ‘rodent infested mess’”

    A stopped clock…

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Laurence Whelk

    Oh my, calling Baltimore a mess seems a bit excessive, doesn't it? That Trump always goes too far.

  43. sj says:

    Couple of weeks ago I happened to be listening to the cuck Michael Medved while driving. He was talking about how our cities are deteriorating and “that’s not us”. Just at that moment, a Hispanic couple in the car ahead of me on the road, threw out a bag of garbage onto the side of the street. And I wondered, who exactly is “us” these days?

  44. @Fidelios Automata
    @Haole

    Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there'd be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.

    Replies: @Haole, @Anonymous, @Prosa123

    I lived in Tchad for 2 years. I am only talking about one village. They pretty much used outhouses. I lived in Addis Ababa back in the 1960s and it was a half million people shitting every where.

  45. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    @Haole

    Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there'd be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.

    Replies: @Haole, @Anonymous, @Prosa123

    If they carried a shovel and buried their shit it would improve the soil. Human excrement is a good thing when buried in the dirt.Worms eat it and make worm shit and aerate it, and plants grow.

    Left on the surface it’s a noxious health hazard.

  46. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations. Ones involving the attachment of fireworks to sledgehammers. He theorized it may exist to keep white retirees out of the good spots.
    What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Kronos

    Whites have been trying to gentrify Highland Park a few miles north of Highland Park for years.

    Replies: @Flip, @Kronos

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Kronos


    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations.
     
    Okay, but the one with the dancing horse at the party was pretty good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzo5gxdNuyA

    Replies: @Kronos

  47. @anonymous
    @nebulafox

    Upon visiting Manhattan's Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
    Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
    TB, anyone?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Spitting in the street is commonplace in China. Also, loudly belching is not considered rude, in fact, it can be seen as a compliment. The first time an old Chinese grandma ripped a massive belch while eating noodles on a ferry, I could not stop laughing.

    Generally, it has been my experience that there is a higher tolerance of audible farting in China.

  48. @anonymous
    @nebulafox

    Upon visiting Manhattan's Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
    Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
    TB, anyone?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    OK, now I’ve gotta tell my quick anecdote in my otherwise praiseful posts about personal experience with Chinese healthcare*. Inside the hospital, up on a floor, as we waited for blood test results, a woman in a scrubs type of get-up hawked a loogie (note the proper terminology, Nebula!) into the trash can near us. During the 20 minute wait, she did that 3 times. “Man, if a nurse did this in the US, she’d get canned, wouldn’t she?” I asked. “No, she’s not a nurse, she’s a doctor.” I was told. Man, did I feel like a male chauvinist!

    .

    * For those interested, see Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.

    • LOL: jim jones, RVBlake
  49. @nebulafox
    One thing I noticed in Singapore is that there's way more litter around places like Woodlands station than there would have been a couple of decades ago, when I first visited the city-state as a kid. Nothing San Francisco 2019 level, the place was still very clean by American standards-as you probably would guess, certainly no piss bottles or dirty needles or excrement hanging around-but still, for Singaporeans used to squeaky clean everything, seeing litter around at all is noticeable.

    Local consensus seems to blame this and other things on middle and working-class immigrants from the PRC. This is not politically correct, as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese, but it is plausible. Having never been subject to decades of nonstop coaching with fines and canings awaiting those who couldn't get with the program quickly enough by the late Lee Kwan Yew, they bring old-time habits with them, including spitting and the kinds of disgusting behavior in public toilets that you will regularly find in mainland China or Malaysia. (If anything, they were subject to polar opposite social engineering during the Cultural Revolution, which mainstreamized peasant behavior.) And now that the old man is dead, things just aren't as strict as they used to be, apparently.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Moses

    “Bring back Chairman Mao!” – Godfree Roberts, unz.com writer

  50. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.

    Well, yes. Before the white man came, all packaging was biodegradable, and eventually disappeared.

  51. @Anonymous
    Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a "rodent infested mess";

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html


    Trump calls Baltimore a ‘disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess’ in attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings
     

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    The President owes rodents an apology for that. They have better taste.

  52. @Cato
    I spend most of my time in the Southeast, but in a city with a sizable, recently arrived latino population. My kids play soccer, and all of us parents have noticed the amazing sea of discarded plastic bottles and wrappers left behind when our team plays a latino team. We've noticed, but we only acknowledge we've noticed in shrugs, nods, and knowing smiles.

    I've never noticed anything similar with black teams, because there are no black teams -- blacks don't play soccer, unless they are middle-class suburbanites, just like the rest of us.

    I offer two testable hypotheses:
    1) latinos interact with whites (go to the same places, do the same thing) more than blacks do, and therefore their littering is more noticed.
    2) lower-class blacks don't consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.

    My money is on number 1.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    lower-class blacks don’t consume as much as latinos, and therefore have less refuse to discard in inappropriate places.

    Or rather, they spend as much. But they’re not going to toss their Dr Dre Beats after one use.

  53. @Haole
    If you dont give a shit you litter, go to a nice blued eyed mexican gated community in Mexico and there is no litter. I lived in a mud hut village in Africa and they swept up all the goat dropping and chicken shit everyday and burnt it. Every year after the rains they replastered the mud huts. They cared about their village. It is not always a race thing but yes, often it is.

    If your time is wasted you might as well get wasted. That is why government time wasting in public schools, prisons and slums results in wasted people.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha, Haole, I’ve got just the article to refute that, from Unz’s man with boots on the Mexican ground*, Fred Reed. Mr. Reed, in
    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague
    , complains about the old gringas (it’s a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he’d moved to the gated community, besides “For strange reasons irrelevant here” – direct quote.)

    .

    * If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague
     
    I checked it out though Bing search was needed. Yer Hyperlink no good.

    Proper valid link https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/07/04/puerta-arroyo-horrible-ugly-meddlesome-reptilian-old-women-nacas-adineradas-sex-and-the-gringa-plague/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    Exactly, Buzz. The type of litter from even just back to the beginning of the 20th century was stuff that Mother Earth could clean up herself, if the numbers are small. As Peak Stupidity mentioned in Are American Indians Slobs?, 5 million (estimate) people on the whole continent of North America could be cleaned up by Mother Nature with no help from the people themselves.

  55. @Kronos
    @Spangel

    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations. Ones involving the attachment of fireworks to sledgehammers. He theorized it may exist to keep white retirees out of the good spots.
    What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Whites have been trying to gentrify Highland Park a few miles north of Highland Park for years.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Steve Sailer

    Do you mean Highwood, Illinois?

    , @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    Do they try in waves? Like at 5 year intervals?

    Gentrification is the closest thing to World War 1 military doctrine. You grab as much territory as possible and clench it tight. Often you’ll need to hold that territory for years until the next phase commencement. Footholds are essential.

    Unless there’s a Hurricane Katrina, there’s no rapid advancement (blitzkrieg) for gentrification. You’ve touched on it before, but the LGBT members make excellent “shock troops” to lead initial assaults. They don’t (very often) have kids to worry about in bad neighborhoods.

    “Oh Seymour, just imagine you and me vs. the urban jungle. Strong hard young men out on the prowl ROAR! It’ll be sooo exciting! (Just imagine the film “The Birdcage” without the son.)

    But they may constitute the worst choice for gentrifying that Hispanic area. Many Hispanic Catholics often pretend Vatican II never happened and will/are actively hostile to that community. But the press will never smear them with the homophobic label. With the “Coalition of the Fringes” a Crown Heights confrontation is never far away.

    Maybe they’ll wait until the next BIG earthquake then move in mass? Any bets on how the next earthquake will effect the housing market?

  56. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    My grandparents lived their lives on a farm in the Ozarks. There was a trash pile down the hill behind the house. For fifty or more years all trash generated by that household (with 9 kids) went into that trash pile.
    The pile never grew in size. They generated very little trash for throw away, and what they did rusted or decayed over time. Today you can walk in that field and never know the farm trash dump was there.
    People of that era threw their coke bottles out of the car window because it was no big deal. The trash just never amounted to much.
    After WWII and the consumer explosion the trash did start to add up in the countryside and towns. It was time for a behavior change, and the change happened.
    Whether littering is a bad thing or not is relative. Then it was not a bad thing. Today it is.

  57. @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    Replies: @JimB, @Peter Akuleyev, @Kronos

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    The kind of people who mistake him for George Foreman.

  58. @Kronos
    @Spangel

    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations. Ones involving the attachment of fireworks to sledgehammers. He theorized it may exist to keep white retirees out of the good spots.
    What if the hispanic neighborhoods in the US are kept intentionally dirty? To keep gentrifiers/hipsters away. (They’re the same to me like how HIV leads to AIDS.) Once a Mexican neighborhood, always (almost) a Mexican neighborhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations.

    Okay, but the one with the dancing horse at the party was pretty good.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    They really are “Extreme Texans.”

  59. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    I also think blacks litter as more of a territorial thing. Steve notes that America was socially engineered away from casual litter, but inner city blacks weren’t. It’s surely seen as weak, compliant, a ‘white thing.’

    I’ve seen black mothers slap a candy wrapper out of their child’s hand. I’ve seen them tell them to throw trash on the ground when a bin was within sight.

    Black public housing is always littered with chicken bones and shrimp tails. Why? I think it’s a sad form of conspicuous consumption: Look what I had for dinner! Whatju have n***a, a candy bar and a beatin’ from yo mamma’s boyfren’?

  60. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    I think you nailed it, Spangel.

    Black littering is routine … but it’s in typical trashy black neighborhoods that–most of them, especially outside the south–have been trashy black neighborhoods for a generation.

    The black population of Southern California is actually stagnant. While the Latinos are actually colonizing the San Fernando Valley, so Steve’s seeing the litter ramp up right before his eyes.

  61. @Ozymandias
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "...chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it."

    I would estimate that around a quarter of the people who chew swallow the juice.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The other 3/4 don’t, because it will make them sick as dogs.

    I don’t know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:

    The principle difference between the spitters and the swallowers is the tobacco preparation. Pasteurized processes (the Euporean style) allow disgestion of the saliva with no adverse effects to the stomach. Fermented tobacco (the America style) will make you sick and wish you were dead for many hours if swallowed.

    From “Spit or Swallow? The age-old question.” Confessions of a Tobacco-Eater. February 16, 2013.

    Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yeah, presumably it's nicotine tolerance. At one end, I've seen a grown man get sick from smoking a cigar too enthusiastically. At the other end, there are the tobacco fiends.

  62. @Jimi
    @Anonymous

    A women carried a camera with her and recorded everyone in Manhattan catcalling her.

    The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino. She was attacked for showing minority men in a bad light.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

    Replies: @fish, @Pericles

    If memory serves, that video was at first presented as showing how bad men in general are. Then you wouldn’t believe what some people noticed. Then it kind of dropped out of the conversation.

    Record ’10 hours of wearing a MAGA hat in New York’ and you’ll instead draw out the whites.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Pericles

    Yeah that video got memory holed pretty quickly. God, leftists are awful.

  63. @Laurence Whelk
    @Anonymous

    “Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a ‘rodent infested mess’”

    A stopped clock...

    Replies: @Pericles

    Oh my, calling Baltimore a mess seems a bit excessive, doesn’t it? That Trump always goes too far.

  64. Just as you can go from neighborhood to neighborhood and observe littering differences, you can go from country to country.

    What is noticeable in both cases is not just levels of littering, but levels of general effort at picking up, cleaning and maintaining. When you leave a relatively clean country and enter a filthier-looking one, you can see that the people there are not in the habit of doing things you might consider easy and automatic: painting or washing buildings, sweeping streets, establishing and maintaining neat boundaries between concrete and dirt or grass, picking up random items including litter.

    These things are not expensive and can be done by anyone. People in some countries (even to some degree in parts of Eastern Europe) just don’t bother, and their countries look dirty. In some cases, even the straight or horizontal lines of their structures, landscapes and sidewalks aren’t exactly straight or horizontal. It is as if they just didn’t bother to get them right. If you have a good eye, it drives you mad. Don’t they know how to use a chalk line? A level?

  65. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ozymandias

    The other 3/4 don't, because it will make them sick as dogs.

    I don't know much, but a quick search yielded this gem:


    The principle difference between the spitters and the swallowers is the tobacco preparation. Pasteurized processes (the Euporean style) allow disgestion of the saliva with no adverse effects to the stomach. Fermented tobacco (the America style) will make you sick and wish you were dead for many hours if swallowed.

    From "Spit or Swallow? The age-old question." Confessions of a Tobacco-Eater. February 16, 2013.

     

    Plus there is a thing called tolerance which builds up over time. Anyone in the habit of swallowing tobacco juice has probably gone a long way down the nicotine rabbit hole.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Yeah, presumably it’s nicotine tolerance. At one end, I’ve seen a grown man get sick from smoking a cigar too enthusiastically. At the other end, there are the tobacco fiends.

  66. Note this remark:

    I mean, there are a lot of obvious dystopian scenarios. Amy’s is similar to George Kennan’s, like the Third Worldization of America. There’s…Reihan Salam talks about whites and Asians in increasingly gated communities, and a sort of re-segregation of the society. And obviously, there’s various civil war type versions. There’s a novel by an Egyptian-American called “The American Civil War,” which takes place in, like, 2070, and I think culminates in use of biological, genocidal biological weapons. So you know, probably Amy’s Venezuela is the best case, if nothing…

    Scott McConnell
    https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/26/heres-amy-wax-really-said-immigration/#.XTw9MVicFn4.twitter

    First mention I’ve seen of “use of biological, genocidal biological weapons”. Probable first use by the PRC in Africa to assure access to needed resources should the US Navy stop protecting the sea lanes. That would destabilize things in an unpredictable way.

    This is what I mean when I say that we now have several brand new kinds of weapons, and nobody knows their effect when widely deployed.

    Counterinsurgency

  67. @nebulafox
    One thing I noticed in Singapore is that there's way more litter around places like Woodlands station than there would have been a couple of decades ago, when I first visited the city-state as a kid. Nothing San Francisco 2019 level, the place was still very clean by American standards-as you probably would guess, certainly no piss bottles or dirty needles or excrement hanging around-but still, for Singaporeans used to squeaky clean everything, seeing litter around at all is noticeable.

    Local consensus seems to blame this and other things on middle and working-class immigrants from the PRC. This is not politically correct, as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese, but it is plausible. Having never been subject to decades of nonstop coaching with fines and canings awaiting those who couldn't get with the program quickly enough by the late Lee Kwan Yew, they bring old-time habits with them, including spitting and the kinds of disgusting behavior in public toilets that you will regularly find in mainland China or Malaysia. (If anything, they were subject to polar opposite social engineering during the Cultural Revolution, which mainstreamized peasant behavior.) And now that the old man is dead, things just aren't as strict as they used to be, apparently.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Moses

    as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese,

    The fertility rate for ethnic Chinese native Singaporeans is around 1, far below replacement. The Singapore gubment is importing Chinese Chinese to keep ethnic Chinese race a supermajority in Singapore, around 75%.

    No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.

    Good for them.

    Despite all their koombayah racial “we’re all the same” rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.

    White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.

    This is normal and natural.

    Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is “racist” (whatever that means).

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Moses

    It's the lowest birth rate in the world, though I might add that the Singaporean Indians aren't very far behind. Even the Singaporean Malays are below replacement rate now-my girlfriend's grandmother had 11 children, she is one of two.

    As is nearly always the case, the government doesn't seem to understand that if you want more fertility among the natives, you need to make family formation conditions more feasible and practical, especially for the potential mothers who bear the biological brunt of the process. Less ridiculous rent prices, for one thing, would help-and mass immigration just makes that particular problem worse.

    >No one complains about it.

    I agree with your broader point. Although there's the occasional Economist editorial condemning the Japanese and South Koreans for their strict immigration policies, there's no analogue to the mass condemnation of anybody in predominantly white countries who advocates stricter immigration. But in reality, it's nowhere near a neo-sakoku policy: if you have a hard science PhD and want to create a tech startup, getting a visa isn't overly difficult even if you come from, say, Bangladesh. The East Asians see their future in robots in dealing with their aging population, and honestly, that's not a bad move. With less rent and less cut-throat competition, people will have time to have kids again eventually. Japan's population will shrink, but it will survive just fine.

    But the irony of this is that the Singaporeans themselves do: there are massive cultural and psychological differences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, and the latter feel far more at home with non-Han Singaporeans than the mainlanders-proof that the policies of the 70s worked beyond anyone's imagination. Combine that with the fact that they drive up rent prices and work/school competition on an island already dealing with more than enough of that, and it isn't a popular policy, even among Chinese Singaporeans. But Singapore isn't a democracy, and like everybody else in the region, they not irrationally see the future with the PRC.

  68. Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.

    In some places, one causes the other. Funny how we hear incessantly about the nearly non-existant Klan and lynching, but we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @The Alarmist

    Not the narrative. Here in the SF Bay Area, Latinos have totally transformed two cities — Richmond and East Palo Alto. And most long-time Bay Area residents are utterly unaware of it.

    I went to a book talk recently (at our last independent bookstore) — some geography prof from Berkeley talking about California demography. Classic leftist: that much was clear after 30 seconds. About San Jose (the biggest city in Silicon Valley) he said the story is techies pricing out and driving out the working class. I objected: San Jose is 1/3 Hispanic; San Jose's working class is still going strong, it's just that a white working class has been replaced by a Hispanic working class.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Alarmist

    "...we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks."

    Because shhhhhhh, that's the plan.

    As usual, the blacks will be the last to figure out they are being bamboozled by the liberals.

  69. @AP
    Latinos are like white people from a few generations ago (or Russians from 5 years ago, who littered a lot). They like the outdoors, lakes, woods, spend time there with their families, but unfortunately litter. Blacks for whatever reason generally don't seem to appreciate nature as much. So Latino littering is more noticeable.

    Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:

    https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg

    An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:

    http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg

    Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.

    Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.

    Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus

    It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving).

    You too? Wow.

    I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced “Madmen” fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moses

    The "Don't mess with Texas" campaign in the 80s suggests it was a problem in the USA. I remember, in the 80's, people tossing litter out the car's moonroof like it wasn't a big deal.

    , @PSR
    @Moses

    I remember that scene too. When I saw it I thought to myself ‘not a chance.’

  70. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “Latino littering is more noticeable because littering is linked to population density, and Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.”

    Possibly also the fact that media types live in areas with noticeable and growing Hispanic populations (LA). They don’t notice black littering as much because they take steps to separate themselves from those types. Example: places like Starbucks were/are popular in many urban areas among hipster whites because the vibe of the place drives away poor blacks who think overpriced coffee and dorky baristas writing dumb names on cups is sissy.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Magic Johnson made a nice piece of change off opening the first Starbucks in a black part of Los Angeles that's wealthy enough to pay Starbucks prices. I call the neighborhood Baldwin Hills but it has several other names. There's a hillside community looking north toward Beverly Hills that's 99% black and everybody has a nice house and pays for excellent gardening. Lots of big black churches too. I presume there is a lot of peer pressure to keep up your landscaping and got to the one of local churches. But ... good for them.

    Magic built a Starbucks and a movie theater right at the base of that hill in the 1990s and got huge amounts of business from middle class black people who appreciated having nice name brand stuff.

    Replies: @Anon

  71. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Turf marking impulse’ cf ‘Animal scent marking’ – in which carnivorous mammals ‘mark out’ territories by means of ‘pungent scents’ left at strategic landmarks -. Familiar, of course, to dog and cat owners.

    Apparently, also familiar to inhabitants of ‘high rise’ ‘urban housing projects’ when, by necessity, forced to use elevators. And no, it’s not domesticated quadrupeds doing the marking.

  72. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Haole

    Haha, Haole, I've got just the article to refute that, from Unz's man with boots on the Mexican ground*, Fred Reed. Mr. Reed, in
    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague
    , complains about the old gringas (it's a term used by Mexicans like Reed) who scold him about leaving his trash can messy on the road in his gated Mexican neighborhood. (He did not explain in this column why he'd moved to the gated community, besides "For strange reasons irrelevant here" - direct quote.)

    .


    * If you want fair and accurate news from Mexico go read the many articles by Allan Wall of VDare instead.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague

    I checked it out though Bing search was needed. Yer Hyperlink no good.

    Proper valid link https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/07/04/puerta-arroyo-horrible-ugly-meddlesome-reptilian-old-women-nacas-adineradas-sex-and-the-gringa-plague/

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Thanks, Clyde, on behalf of anyone trying to read that. I specifically remember checking that the link worked yesterday before mashing [PUBLISH]. The other link (to Allan Wall on VDare) worked, but this could have been a minor unz bug, possibly just affecting links to his own site, coming back.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

  73. The vast majority of men that catcalled her were black and latino.

    Every man that catcalled was black or latin.

  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone.

    Yes, the Mexican roofing crew left behind candy wrappers and a couple of soda cans. The new metal roof looks great though.

  75. @Paul
    I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Carbon blob, @Kronos, @ricpic

    Simple ethos of that’s-somebody-else’s-job-ism. Some societies believe that picking up (as well as a host of other taks) is somebody else’s job.

  76. @anon
    "Latino littering is more noticeable because littering is linked to population density, and Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time."

    Possibly also the fact that media types live in areas with noticeable and growing Hispanic populations (LA). They don't notice black littering as much because they take steps to separate themselves from those types. Example: places like Starbucks were/are popular in many urban areas among hipster whites because the vibe of the place drives away poor blacks who think overpriced coffee and dorky baristas writing dumb names on cups is sissy.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Magic Johnson made a nice piece of change off opening the first Starbucks in a black part of Los Angeles that’s wealthy enough to pay Starbucks prices. I call the neighborhood Baldwin Hills but it has several other names. There’s a hillside community looking north toward Beverly Hills that’s 99% black and everybody has a nice house and pays for excellent gardening. Lots of big black churches too. I presume there is a lot of peer pressure to keep up your landscaping and got to the one of local churches. But … good for them.

    Magic built a Starbucks and a movie theater right at the base of that hill in the 1990s and got huge amounts of business from middle class black people who appreciated having nice name brand stuff.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Compare that to Nipsey Hustle: Opens an expensive boutique selling his own original brand in an out and out slum. He died just in time. Now others can be blamed for its bankruptcy.

  77. The sum of all differences between the Civilized and the Barbaric is precisely this:

    A civilized person will actually walk two and a half feet to a trash can and put their trash in it, a barbarian won’t. Because a civilized person understand that Sanitation is the beginning of an orderly, civil society; and a barbarian couldn’t care less what they are (literally) crapping on.

    And there is precisely NOTHING you can do to turn a Barbarian into a Civilized man.

    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    @theMann

    Another litmus test I like to use to evaluate a neighborhood is to see if folks leave grocery carts in parking spaces or take them back to the corral.

    Replies: @Marquandian Hero

  78. Macro littering vs. micro littering.

    Macro littering (mestizos): old couches, refrigerators, TVs, mattresses, diapers, full trash bags, Tecate 30 pack boxes…

    Micro littering (negros): cigarette/cigar butts, over sizes beer bottles/cans, rubbers, needles, vials, burger king and mcdonalds wrappers…

  79. @theMann
    The sum of all differences between the Civilized and the Barbaric is precisely this:

    A civilized person will actually walk two and a half feet to a trash can and put their trash in it, a barbarian won't. Because a civilized person understand that Sanitation is the beginning of an orderly, civil society; and a barbarian couldn't care less what they are (literally) crapping on.

    And there is precisely NOTHING you can do to turn a Barbarian into a Civilized man.

    Replies: @Carbon blob

    Another litmus test I like to use to evaluate a neighborhood is to see if folks leave grocery carts in parking spaces or take them back to the corral.

    • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
    @Carbon blob

    Although, my father used to advocate leaving grocery carts in the lot in our pristine New England town because he felt that perfoming self-service by putting them back would put the cart-gathering guys (teens or local down syndrome types at the time c. 1995) out of work.

  80. @Fidelios Automata
    I knew a Native American who used to go on and on about how his people respected the earth more than whites did. But go to any reservation and you'll see an inordinate amount of litter.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Reminds me of the line from “Little Big Man” where the character Jack Crabbe reminisces of his childhood spent with the Cheyenne, how when approaching a village one couldn’t distinguish between entering the village or its garbage dump. In “Custer and Crazy Horse, Two American Warriors,” Stephen Ambrose discussed the matter of the American Indian’s so-called respect for the environment, explaining the destruction to Nature that was involved in the raising of a native village.

  81. @Moses
    @AP


    It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving).
     
    You too? Wow.

    I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.

    Replies: @AP, @PSR

    The “Don’t mess with Texas” campaign in the 80s suggests it was a problem in the USA. I remember, in the 80’s, people tossing litter out the car’s moonroof like it wasn’t a big deal.

  82. @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Puerta Arroyo, Horrible Ugly Meddlesome Reptilian Old Women, Nacas Adineradas, Sex, and the Gringa Plague
     
    I checked it out though Bing search was needed. Yer Hyperlink no good.

    Proper valid link https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/07/04/puerta-arroyo-horrible-ugly-meddlesome-reptilian-old-women-nacas-adineradas-sex-and-the-gringa-plague/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Clyde, on behalf of anyone trying to read that. I specifically remember checking that the link worked yesterday before mashing [PUBLISH]. The other link (to Allan Wall on VDare) worked, but this could have been a minor unz bug, possibly just affecting links to his own site, coming back.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks AN and for some amusing.... check out YouTube for" lost in the shuffle".

    , @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    /

  83. Way back in 1969, I was walking along a street in Monaco, smoking a cigarette. I took the butt out of my mouth, ready to throw it in the gutter, and then noticed that the gutter was immaculate, no trash at all. Everything was perfect. Not a blade of grass growing up between two pieces of concrete curbing. Absolutely the cleanest place I have ever been. I finally threw my cigarette butt down a storm sewer grating.

  84. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Exactly. Latino neighborhoods have restaurants Steve may like, and Latinos like going to parks.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @International Jew

    Oh jeez, no one has discussed what KIND of litter! Could you (seriously) tell a black neighborhood from a Hispanic one just by the litter alone?

    I bet you could! That’s like a primary strategy amongst archeologists.

    , @Prodigal son
    @International Jew

    Even a blind man will notice the difference between a black and a Mexican neighborhood.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @Kronos

    Whites have been trying to gentrify Highland Park a few miles north of Highland Park for years.

    Replies: @Flip, @Kronos

    Do you mean Highwood, Illinois?

  86. @Buzz Mohawk
    @guest

    There was a spitting thing in cowboy culture. When Americans were learning not to litter in the 1970s, junior high school boys in the Rockies were chewing tobacco, spitting and getting in trouble for it.

    For those who don't know, chewing tobacco brings forth large quantities of saliva, which will make you sick if you swallow it. Thus spittoons in the old saloons.

    Boys like that were vestiges of the early settlers. They wore cowboy boots and hats, and you could see circles worn into the back pockets of their jeans from carrying little, round cans of Skoal or Copenhagen back there. A couple of those young cowboys rode my school bus. They chewed tobacco and spit on the floor when the driver wasn't looking.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @stillCARealist

    Quite possibly the most disgusting habit on the planet. A friend’s husband switched from cigarettes to chewing tobacco and she said she preferred him smoking. His gums were totally gross.

  87. @Anonymous
    Trump is being denounced for calling Baltimore a "rodent infested mess";

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/27/trump-calls-baltimore-a-disgusting-rat-and-rodent-infested-mess-in-attack-on-rep-elijah-cummings.html


    Trump calls Baltimore a ‘disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess’ in attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings
     

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Laurence Whelk, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump’s responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren’t Cummings’ job; he’s a US Congressman.

    Trump’s comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.

    I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @International Jew

    Unlike Trump, you may have paid keen attention during your 12th grade Government class and got a gold star and everything, but evidently you've been sleep-walking through How Things Actually Work. Pro-tip:"pork barrel" is not a phrase which occurs in the US Constitution. And yet, nevertheless, mysteriously....

    , @Anon
    @International Jew


    Conditions in Baltimore aren’t Cummings’ job; he’s a US Congressman.
     
    US Congressman absolutely have political power in their home districts, and those districts certainly reflect on Congressman. It looks like you've never spent a moment observing how government works.

    You're outlook also comports with that of the Left, who will attack Trump from every angle, no matter how relevant to "government" and true or not, but Trump can't spar on similar terms lest he be called out as unusual. As if this age is usual, and that the Left doesn't continuously rewrite the rules that it expects everyone to keep up with as long as they aren't using them against the Left.

    "Trumpian" isn't a term except in delusional, majority-hostile Jew world. Use it and be associated with those who invented it (Bill Kristol comes to mind as a good candidate, but it could be David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, etc).

    Its practically a Shibboleth for treasonous Jew after its over use by privileged ethnonationalist Jews pretending to be conservatives while attempting to disenfranchise the conservative base.

    The border hoppers would be deported if the majority of Jews in the nation wouldn't then rise up to call deportation anodda Shoah.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew

    Twitter is, for Trump, like motor vehicles were for the Kennedys: something they should be kept away from for their own, and everyone else's, good.

  88. @Jonathan Mason
    @William Badwhite


    Latino Littering is generally because they don’t know any better, and presumably can be taught over time to knock it off.
     
    I think this is true. I once stayed in an idyllic summer cottage by a river in the hills of the Dominican Republic where there was no garbage pickup. The residents just threw the trash out of the window, and much of it was eaten by a goat, and thus recycled.

    When I had Mexican tenants in the US, they seemed to like to mark their territory by throwing cuetips used to clean their ears around the perimeter of their cottage. Not very sightly, but perhaps it was their way of telling the world that they had clean ears.

    In all honesty, though, I am not sure if littering is a racial thing, as I often see whites throwing fast food debris out of their car windows. It is just a class thing, though my overlapping observation is that smokers are much more likely to leave litter, not just with cigarette butts, but with cellophane wrapping, silver foil, and paper or cardboard from cigarette packets.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Q tips damage your hearing in the long term. Some wax is a good thing as it catches stuff that would otherwise enter your ear. Unless you have some medical issue there is no need to clean your ears, they regulate themselves.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @LondonBob

    Only use Q-Tips on the outer ear. If you use it on the inside it shoves more earwax into the ear canal.

    https://youtu.be/M3GrFk8XQQs

  89. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Kronos


    A while back, Sailer was talking about crazy Mexican celebrations.
     
    Okay, but the one with the dancing horse at the party was pretty good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzo5gxdNuyA

    Replies: @Kronos

    They really are “Extreme Texans.”

  90. @anonymous
    @nebulafox

    Upon visiting Manhattan's Chinatown a few years ago , I was amazed at the habit of middle-aged & older Chinese (both sexes) of hawking up and spitting on the sidewalk.
    Never seen this before (I mean as a common habit, done without embarrassment in close proximity to others) except among recent African immigrants.
    TB, anyone?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Paul Theroux in his book Riding the Iron Rooster said the Chinese spit everywhere.

  91. @International Jew
    @Spangel


    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
     
    Exactly. Latino neighborhoods have restaurants Steve may like, and Latinos like going to parks.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Prodigal son

    Oh jeez, no one has discussed what KIND of litter! Could you (seriously) tell a black neighborhood from a Hispanic one just by the litter alone?

    I bet you could! That’s like a primary strategy amongst archeologists.

  92. @The Alarmist

    Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.
     
    In some places, one causes the other. Funny how we hear incessantly about the nearly non-existant Klan and lynching, but we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Not the narrative. Here in the SF Bay Area, Latinos have totally transformed two cities — Richmond and East Palo Alto. And most long-time Bay Area residents are utterly unaware of it.

    I went to a book talk recently (at our last independent bookstore) — some geography prof from Berkeley talking about California demography. Classic leftist: that much was clear after 30 seconds. About San Jose (the biggest city in Silicon Valley) he said the story is techies pricing out and driving out the working class. I objected: San Jose is 1/3 Hispanic; San Jose’s working class is still going strong, it’s just that a white working class has been replaced by a Hispanic working class.

  93. @Fidelios Automata
    @Haole

    Interesting contrast with an article by a Peace Corp alum who was assigned to Senegal. She said the people were very friendly but had a habit of pooping wherever the fancy struck them. The desert heat would dry it out and there'd be plenty of fecal matter mixed with the next dust storm.

    Replies: @Haole, @Anonymous, @Prosa123

    Public deuce dropping is a major issue in India.

  94. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    This is so bad it’s almost Soviet.

  95. Amy Wax speaks well.

    > Attacked by Vox reporter Zack Beauchamp for this

    “Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! Kaw! … Kaw! Kaw! Kaw!”

    As a result, today we have an immigration policy driven by fear—the fear of being accused of racism, white supremacy, xenophobia—which has cowed and paralyzed opinion leaders, policymakers, politicians across the spectrum and impeded their ability to think clearly. That fear leads conservatives to avoid talking about cultural distance or questioning the happy fantasy of “magic dirt” or discussing forthrightly the practical difficulties of importing large numbers of people from backwards states into successful ones. And as long as these taboos exist and respectable mainstream conservatives defer to them, it will be hard, maybe impossible, to change course.

    Indeed. The fear should be on the other side of the aisle.

  96. @International Jew
    @Anonymous

    Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump's responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren't Cummings' job; he's a US Congressman.

    Trump's comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.

    I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Unlike Trump, you may have paid keen attention during your 12th grade Government class and got a gold star and everything, but evidently you’ve been sleep-walking through How Things Actually Work. Pro-tip:”pork barrel” is not a phrase which occurs in the US Constitution. And yet, nevertheless, mysteriously….

  97. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious
    To be fair, some white rednecks up in the woods of Maine litter quite terribly. For them, it's mostly beer cans after driving to the local swimming hole on their ATVs.

    With blacks, it's mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I've also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.

    With Latinos, it's everything they consume. On the ground it goes.

    And with dot Indians, they dump their garbage in our waterways because that's what Shiva would want.

    Replies: @Anon

    With blacks, it’s mainly empty boxes of Newports. Although I’ve also seen them just drop entire trays of half-eaten chicken wings on the floor of the subway.

    Perhaps you haven’t seen a Black neighborhood in some time. The streets and sidewalks are filled with every type of litter.

  98. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @Anonymous

    Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump's responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren't Cummings' job; he's a US Congressman.

    Trump's comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.

    I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Conditions in Baltimore aren’t Cummings’ job; he’s a US Congressman.

    US Congressman absolutely have political power in their home districts, and those districts certainly reflect on Congressman. It looks like you’ve never spent a moment observing how government works.

    You’re outlook also comports with that of the Left, who will attack Trump from every angle, no matter how relevant to “government” and true or not, but Trump can’t spar on similar terms lest he be called out as unusual. As if this age is usual, and that the Left doesn’t continuously rewrite the rules that it expects everyone to keep up with as long as they aren’t using them against the Left.

    “Trumpian” isn’t a term except in delusional, majority-hostile Jew world. Use it and be associated with those who invented it (Bill Kristol comes to mind as a good candidate, but it could be David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, etc).

    Its practically a Shibboleth for treasonous Jew after its over use by privileged ethnonationalist Jews pretending to be conservatives while attempting to disenfranchise the conservative base.

    The border hoppers would be deported if the majority of Jews in the nation wouldn’t then rise up to call deportation anodda Shoah.

  99. @Moses
    @AP


    It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving).
     
    You too? Wow.

    I thought I was the only one who thought Jewish-produced "Madmen" fictional program as the go-to historical record regarding the behavior or affluent White gentiles in the 1960s.

    Replies: @AP, @PSR

    I remember that scene too. When I saw it I thought to myself ‘not a chance.’

  100. Many years ago when I lived in Bermuda, I innocently commented on the number of Bermudians, men–not women-who spit in the street or in the gutter and everyone pretended never to have noticed, but having recently arrived there from England, it was quite noticeable to me.

    In most respects Bermudians consider themselves to be very straight-laced and proper. In 1980 policemen were issuing tickets to cruise ship passengers who were wearing shorts that were too short (in the street, not on the beach) and it was considered rather louche to go into the bank wearing sandals with no socks. Soon after that ATMs were invented and people hardly needed to step foot in the banks any more.

  101. @CCZ
    Can you imagine how this would go in 2019??

    “It's about RESPICT” (1:38)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH7YKCexo4

    Replies: @guest, @JimB, @El Dato

    Next time in Singapore!

  102. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.

    Ha! That could start your typical African Hair Studies major’s first Composition 101 term paper:

    First the white man STOLED the nollidge bout How to make a trash can (All trash anyways was Recylced in Wakanda anyways) then the colonizers taught us how to Litter. Then with no place to put the Trash all Black peoples hands was full all the time. This then is how the slave owners caught them so Easily and put them on boats.

    • LOL: JMcG, brandybranch
  103. @Paul
    I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Carbon blob, @Kronos, @ricpic

    It’s a means of marking territory. To make rival gangs understand what’s what.

  104. @Paul
    I have never understood the littering and spraying of graffiti in which Latinos engage in their neighborhoods. Why trash a neighborhood in which you have to live? Can you ever imagine Scandinavians doing such things?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Carbon blob, @Kronos, @ricpic

    You can’t imagine it because litter is unsightly to you. It’s clearly not unsightly to Latinos. Which is to say that you are culturally superior and they are culturally inferior.

  105. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    Dead wrong. Americans “of all types” did not litter before that ad appeared. What the Left scorns as the bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly middle class, did not and do not litter.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @ricpic

    That is an interesting opinion. Maybe you are right.

    I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the "bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class," as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?

    Your are correct, of course, that now we "do not litter."

    Replies: @ricpic

  106. @The Alarmist

    Latino neighborhoods tend to grow in density over time, while black neighborhoods tend to depopulate over time.
     
    In some places, one causes the other. Funny how we hear incessantly about the nearly non-existant Klan and lynching, but we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “…we never hear about Latino ethnic cleansing of blacks.”

    Because shhhhhhh, that’s the plan.

    As usual, the blacks will be the last to figure out they are being bamboozled by the liberals.

  107. @International Jew
    @Anonymous

    Another Trumpian non sequitur. Cummings complained about conditions at the border, which are Trump's responsibility. Conditions in Baltimore aren't Cummings' job; he's a US Congressman.

    Trump's comeback would have made sense leveled at the mayor of Baltimore. Instead, Trump makes it look like he slept through Government back in 12th grade.

    I say this even as I fully recognize that Baltimore is a corruptly misgoverned scheißhole, and believe that the best way to improve our border detention facilities is to not have any (ie deport every illegal border crosser before nightfall).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Twitter is, for Trump, like motor vehicles were for the Kennedys: something they should be kept away from for their own, and everyone else’s, good.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    A lot of contractors are slobs and have no respect for the property of those whom they work for. I once hired a contractor, and the two white guys he sent over – hard-living trailer-park types – used my entire yard as an ashtray. They couldn’t even be bothered to put out their cigs in a used soda bottle or drink cup. No, they just dropped the butts where-ever they happened to be standing. I was picking them up for a month afterwords.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    Now that they have these floss-picks, I often see them lying discarded on the ground in parking lots. Odd, that people so devoted to dental hygiene don't care about littering.

  109. @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.
     
    A lot of contractors are slobs and have no respect for the property of those whom they work for. I once hired a contractor, and the two white guys he sent over - hard-living trailer-park types - used my entire yard as an ashtray. They couldn't even be bothered to put out their cigs in a used soda bottle or drink cup. No, they just dropped the butts where-ever they happened to be standing. I was picking them up for a month afterwords.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Now that they have these floss-picks, I often see them lying discarded on the ground in parking lots. Odd, that people so devoted to dental hygiene don’t care about littering.

    • Agree: fish
  110. @Steve Sailer
    @Kronos

    Whites have been trying to gentrify Highland Park a few miles north of Highland Park for years.

    Replies: @Flip, @Kronos

    Do they try in waves? Like at 5 year intervals?

    Gentrification is the closest thing to World War 1 military doctrine. You grab as much territory as possible and clench it tight. Often you’ll need to hold that territory for years until the next phase commencement. Footholds are essential.

    Unless there’s a Hurricane Katrina, there’s no rapid advancement (blitzkrieg) for gentrification. You’ve touched on it before, but the LGBT members make excellent “shock troops” to lead initial assaults. They don’t (very often) have kids to worry about in bad neighborhoods.

    “Oh Seymour, just imagine you and me vs. the urban jungle. Strong hard young men out on the prowl ROAR! It’ll be sooo exciting! (Just imagine the film “The Birdcage” without the son.)

    But they may constitute the worst choice for gentrifying that Hispanic area. Many Hispanic Catholics often pretend Vatican II never happened and will/are actively hostile to that community. But the press will never smear them with the homophobic label. With the “Coalition of the Fringes” a Crown Heights confrontation is never far away.

    Maybe they’ll wait until the next BIG earthquake then move in mass? Any bets on how the next earthquake will effect the housing market?

  111. @Spangel
    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk, @Kronos, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Truth

    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.

    I have to agree, Sport. I’ve spent a lot of time in Little Uruguay, Little Argentina, and Little Sevilla…Spotless.

    • Replies: @Disordered Amusements
    @Truth

    some sections of Miami are like that, as 60% of Hispanics coming are from the center-left side of the paperbag test...
    but even then, you can tell by the noise levels and food smells, and specially the offensive driving, that less whites live there...

    as for littering, i agree, blacks do it more; but blacks in America have remained stagnant. thanks to abortion, blacks now can stuff themselves better with kool-aid and chicken nuggets, only barely evolving innovative traits, as the whites encourage only 1-2 baby monkeys. sure, that also means spending less in bullets or jail building than in PP; but then again that is also more money for already wealthy cosmopolitan doctors, and less for poor whites that work in the gun and security industries...

    meanwhile hispanics are not only actually reproducing, but also like to visit other parts of the city more often, parks (they like animals a little better than blacks), bars and such. true, that means their litter is more visible, but on the other hand, more shame-able (even by the more stuck up Whispanics). which is why the gay+hipster gentrification crusaders still have trouble with them browner Hispanics, but much more so with blacks.

    that said, these whitelib crusaders love mixing it up with the diverse in the first place, and will flee the gentrified areas if they become too "corporate", into smaller towns that they will elevate for a while before ruining. which was the whole point of the elitists and cosmopolitans who plan all of this... cities for them and their soon fully integrated 1984 machines, machinized statewide crops owned by megaconglomerates, + whatever remaining wasteland for the rest.

  112. @AP
    Latinos are like white people from a few generations ago (or Russians from 5 years ago, who littered a lot). They like the outdoors, lakes, woods, spend time there with their families, but unfortunately litter. Blacks for whatever reason generally don't seem to appreciate nature as much. So Latino littering is more noticeable.

    Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:

    https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg

    An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:

    http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg

    Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.

    Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.

    Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus

    Why Western European?

    In Japan, it’s a lot cleaner and less litter, than e.g. England.

    Also I’m imagining many people who idealize Western Europe, have not actually lived there, or visited outside bourgeois areas.

    I like England or Ireland, – and bourgeois areas of England are civilized paradise. But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

     

    Traditional "Western European culture" - in maybe bottom 50% of England's areas:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2R8mIWWZE


    But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England - one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:


    https://i.imgur.com/LoPUleU.jpg

    Replies: @AndrewR

  113. Blacks are here and we cannot do much about them. While Hispanics have immigrated here legally and illegally. They are still on guess status, even the ones born here. When they litter and bring their mestizo piggy littering habits from Mexico and Central America we get understandably angry.

    The Hispanic population here in the Continental United States in 1946 was 1.5%, we won WW2 without them. This is not counting Puerto Rico its few millions of Hispanics back then. Hispanics are very Johnny come lately in America.

  114. @Dmitry
    @AP

    Why Western European?

    In Japan, it's a lot cleaner and less litter, than e.g. England.

    -

    Also I'm imagining many people who idealize Western Europe, have not actually lived there, or visited outside bourgeois areas.

    I like England or Ireland, - and bourgeois areas of England are civilized paradise. But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

    Traditional “Western European culture” – in maybe bottom 50% of England’s areas:

    But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England – one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Dmitry

    Lol what were they even fighting over? Good Lord.

  115. @Buzz Mohawk
    If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.

    Perhaps, as Steve suggests, this behavior could be modified via shame administered through a Crying Indian* type of campaign. Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial. The ironic thing is that the litterers we now call "Latino," or even "Hispanic" are mostly descended from American Indians.

    Their ancestors would have littered too if they'd had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such. We can therefore blame the problem on the technology of the White Man, because only he has agency when something bad is the result.

    * The American Indian was played by an Italian American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEUZS6bH3w

    Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was. One can conclude that there is little hope of reducing Black litter with an ad campaign. Of course, whatever gains might have been made among them in the 1970s simply might not have stuck, in the manner that academic gains fade away even after the most attentive efforts by Whites to facilitate them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @ricpic, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus

    “If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived.”

    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.

    “Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial.”

    And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.

    “Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such.”

    It wasn’t in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You’re grasping at straws here.

    “Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was.”

    Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.

    • Troll: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, I am deigning right now to respond to one part of your pointless post. Normally I just ignore you.

    You wrote:


    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
    I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience. It is not a big problem, so I don't care. I have just picked up the bottles, cans and packages that I have found on the ground after they have left. No big deal. BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.

    You are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Do you even own property? Hire anybody? Don't bother answering. I won't respond.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @William Badwhite

    , @Ozymandias
    @Corvinus

    "Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo."

    LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  116. @Moses
    @nebulafox


    as the government relies on them to keep Singapore predominantly ethnic Chinese,
     
    The fertility rate for ethnic Chinese native Singaporeans is around 1, far below replacement. The Singapore gubment is importing Chinese Chinese to keep ethnic Chinese race a supermajority in Singapore, around 75%.

    No one complains about it. No editorials in the New York Times condemning the Chinese Singaporeans.

    Good for them.

    Despite all their koombayah racial "we're all the same" rhetoric, Chinese Singaporeans do not want to be replaced/out-reproduced by Malays or Indians and under their rule.

    White countries used to care about racial composition too, and had laws to ensure racial composition remained about the same.

    This is normal and natural.

    Yet Whites wanting White countries to remain White is "racist" (whatever that means).

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It’s the lowest birth rate in the world, though I might add that the Singaporean Indians aren’t very far behind. Even the Singaporean Malays are below replacement rate now-my girlfriend’s grandmother had 11 children, she is one of two.

    As is nearly always the case, the government doesn’t seem to understand that if you want more fertility among the natives, you need to make family formation conditions more feasible and practical, especially for the potential mothers who bear the biological brunt of the process. Less ridiculous rent prices, for one thing, would help-and mass immigration just makes that particular problem worse.

    >No one complains about it.

    I agree with your broader point. Although there’s the occasional Economist editorial condemning the Japanese and South Koreans for their strict immigration policies, there’s no analogue to the mass condemnation of anybody in predominantly white countries who advocates stricter immigration. But in reality, it’s nowhere near a neo-sakoku policy: if you have a hard science PhD and want to create a tech startup, getting a visa isn’t overly difficult even if you come from, say, Bangladesh. The East Asians see their future in robots in dealing with their aging population, and honestly, that’s not a bad move. With less rent and less cut-throat competition, people will have time to have kids again eventually. Japan’s population will shrink, but it will survive just fine.

    But the irony of this is that the Singaporeans themselves do: there are massive cultural and psychological differences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, and the latter feel far more at home with non-Han Singaporeans than the mainlanders-proof that the policies of the 70s worked beyond anyone’s imagination. Combine that with the fact that they drive up rent prices and work/school competition on an island already dealing with more than enough of that, and it isn’t a popular policy, even among Chinese Singaporeans. But Singapore isn’t a democracy, and like everybody else in the region, they not irrationally see the future with the PRC.

  117. @AP
    Latinos are like white people from a few generations ago (or Russians from 5 years ago, who littered a lot). They like the outdoors, lakes, woods, spend time there with their families, but unfortunately litter. Blacks for whatever reason generally don't seem to appreciate nature as much. So Latino littering is more noticeable.

    Here is a beach outside St. Petersburg, Russia:

    https://englishrussia.com/images/petersburg_beaches/1.jpg

    An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos:

    http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/other-2017/bluehole-01.jpg

    Chinese also litter, as do Middle Easterners.

    Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing. It may be modern, at least in the USA (there was a picnic scene in Madmen where they just left their garbage out there after leaving). Like the decline n public smoking, the decline in littering is a good modern development.

    Replies: @Moses, @Dmitry, @Corvinus

    “An idyllic swimming hole in the Catskills that was discovered by Latinos…”

    Latino’s enjoy hiking the Catskills? Wow, you learn something everyday. I think what really happened is you have a guilty conscious for soiling a virgin area and are seeking to blame someone else.

    “Not littering seems to be a northwestern European thing.”

    Depends upon what you mean by littering. Refer to Comment 36.

    • Troll: fish
  118. @Corvinus
    As far as combating littering is concerned in the States, it required a major change in public consciousness.

    https://www.alleghenyfront.org/the-psychology-of-littering

    It would seem, however, given how white people love the outdoors, they are by far are the most notorious litterers. I gather it is one of our inborn traits--our ancestors in Europe would just thrown trash away and hope the critters would gobble it up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/03/woodland-trust-sees-worst-year-for-flytipping-on-record

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423077-national-parks-facing-litter-illegal-activity-without-rangers

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors/article/National-parks-set-their-sights-on-being-12243683.php

    On a related matter, white people certainly have major difficulties handling their trash.

    https://thepointsguy.com/news/why-is-rome-drowning-in-trash

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/12/12/how-russias-attempt-to-solve-its-trash-crisis-is-backfiring-a63795

    Furthermore, white-led nations deport their old electronics to worthy countries. I suppose they are just paying tribute to Trump's pronouncement that since third-world are hellholes, why not contribute to their misery.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5197792/philippines-canada-garbage-containers/

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-02/us-still-dumping-some-its-toxic-e-waste-overseas

    They need our labor question, too,
    And politics and fraud—
    We’ve made a pretty mess at home,
    Let’s make a mess abroad!

    Not in Singapore. Littering fines range from $300 to $1,000 for first time offenders. Both fines rise up to $5,000 for third-time offenders with the possibility of facing jail time.

    Must be an Asian thing.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/why-japanese-dont-litter

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Must be an Asian thing.

    Hardly. Just cross the border to Johor Bahru. Casual littering is the least of their problems. When I was there a few months ago, the Pasir Gudang chemical spill had just happened, and even the Singaporeans were in a tizzy to make sure their air quality (already suffering from the annual brush fires in Sumatra) and water cleanliness weren’t affected.

    Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures.

  119. @ricpic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Dead wrong. Americans "of all types" did not litter before that ad appeared. What the Left scorns as the bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly middle class, did not and do not litter.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    That is an interesting opinion. Maybe you are right.

    I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the “bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class,” as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?

    Your are correct, of course, that now we “do not litter.”

    • Replies: @ricpic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, I'm old enough to remember. I can remember trips to Jones Beach in the 1950's. That's right, the 1950's. Absolutely NO LITTERING. Waste receptacles were everywhere and WERE USED. I shudder to think what the place is now.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  120. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter.

    You’re damned right, my man. Beginning in 1619, white men began to haul the world’s most execrable trash from the jungles of Africa in order to pollute the then pristine continent of North America. How stupid and short sighted they were.

  121. @Corvinus
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived."

    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."

    And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.

    "Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."

    It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.

    "Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."

    Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias

    Corvi, I am deigning right now to respond to one part of your pointless post. Normally I just ignore you.

    You wrote:

    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.

    I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience. It is not a big problem, so I don’t care. I have just picked up the bottles, cans and packages that I have found on the ground after they have left. No big deal. BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.

    You are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Do you even own property? Hire anybody? Don’t bother answering. I won’t respond.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience."

    Right, YOUR experience. But as in all groups you have individuals who are outliers. But it is common knowledge that Hispanics are hardworking and want to leave a good impression, especially if they know they could be deported at anytime for anything.

    "BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world."

    LOL, so you knowingly and willingly hire illegals to cut down your bushes or paint your house or do other jobs around your domicile. But, since you deem it "clown world" that you live in, you can justify your decision without coming across as being a hypocrite. (rolling of eyes)

    , @William Badwhite
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We need a "retard" button, along with the troll button, just for Corky.

  122. “Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures.”

    There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.

    “the Pasir Gudang chemical spill…”

    A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.

    Even such things happen in the States.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/us/chemical-spill-muddies-picture-in-a-state-wary-of-regulations.html

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    >There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.

    But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.

    >A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.

    Ah, but Corvy, you claimed that you NOTICED that whites are particularly predisposed to littering: and presumably with worse when it comes to the environment. If it an "Asian thing" to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?

    In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  123. @Fidelios Automata
    I knew a Native American who used to go on and on about how his people respected the earth more than whites did. But go to any reservation and you'll see an inordinate amount of litter.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Hamlet's Ghost

    Not to mention the hordes of stray dogs running around.

  124. @Corvinus
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "If you hire a Latino contractor to do a job, you will likely discover some litter on your property after his crew has finished and gone. Even on a small job, there will be a bottle or can casually thrown on the ground somewhere in the middle of the grass you mowed before they arrived."

    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Americans of all types littered before they saw that famous 1970s commercial."

    And we still do. Refer to Comment 36.

    "Their ancestors would have littered too if they’d had the technology to produce bottles, cans and such."

    It wasn't in their nature to engage in that sort of action. You're grasping at straws here.

    "Blacks, on the other hand, would not be littering today if Black behavior had been modified by the campaign of the 1970s, as White behavior was."

    Not as modified as you think for whites. Again, refer to Comment 36.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Ozymandias

    “Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo.”

    LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Ozymandias

    "LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap."

    I understand that the truth makes you uncomfortable. But the fact is that from roofing to siding to mowing to snow removal, those squatty Guatamalans and those chunky Mexicans work like the dickens to make sure everything is cleaned up. Just try a tad bit NOTICING next time. You might be surprised what you see.

    The more you know...

  125. @Corvinus
    "Equating Japan to India to Thailand is as dumb as comparing Spain to Russia to Sweden-probably moreso. Vastly different people, vastly different cultures."

    There is nothing "dumb" in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.

    "the Pasir Gudang chemical spill..."

    A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.

    Even such things happen in the States.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/us/chemical-spill-muddies-picture-in-a-state-wary-of-regulations.html

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.

    But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.

    >A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.

    Ah, but Corvy, you claimed that you NOTICED that whites are particularly predisposed to littering: and presumably with worse when it comes to the environment. If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?

    In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @nebulafox

    "But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News."

    The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    "If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?"

    It's called an outlier.

    "In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?"

    I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  126. @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    Replies: @JimB, @Peter Akuleyev, @Kronos

    What sort of American hates his country so much that he would vote for Trump?

  127. Southern Italians are also big litterers. Russia is also a pig sty everywhere outside central Moscow. I have always felt this is connected to a lack of civic spirit. Italians and Russians keep their own homes clean, but feel no responsibility to take care of “someone else’s “ property.

  128. Government dumps 2 million used tires of coast of Ft. Lauderdale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11462066

    It seemed like a good idea at the time. In the early 1970s, a group of fishermen organized a campaign to dump 2 million used auto tires into the Atlantic Ocean, about a mile off the coast of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., between two living coral reefs.

    The goal was to build an artificial reef that would promote sea life. But it had the opposite effect: The mass of tires became an underwater blight…Broward County and the Army Corps of Engineers approved the plan to bundle and drop millions of tires overboard.

    “Over time,” Nuckols says, “the bundles they put together broke apart, as hurricanes and other large coastal storms came through, which you have a lot of here in South Florida. And those have pushed the tire mass onto the middle reef, essentially denuding that one, eliminating all the corals from that one. In the main area, where the tires are, there’s really no significant coral growth at all.”

  129. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Magic Johnson made a nice piece of change off opening the first Starbucks in a black part of Los Angeles that's wealthy enough to pay Starbucks prices. I call the neighborhood Baldwin Hills but it has several other names. There's a hillside community looking north toward Beverly Hills that's 99% black and everybody has a nice house and pays for excellent gardening. Lots of big black churches too. I presume there is a lot of peer pressure to keep up your landscaping and got to the one of local churches. But ... good for them.

    Magic built a Starbucks and a movie theater right at the base of that hill in the 1990s and got huge amounts of business from middle class black people who appreciated having nice name brand stuff.

    Replies: @Anon

    Compare that to Nipsey Hustle: Opens an expensive boutique selling his own original brand in an out and out slum. He died just in time. Now others can be blamed for its bankruptcy.

  130. @International Jew
    @Spangel


    Maybe you don’t notice the extent of littering in black neighborhoods because you don’t spend much time in them.
     
    Exactly. Latino neighborhoods have restaurants Steve may like, and Latinos like going to parks.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Prodigal son

    Even a blind man will notice the difference between a black and a Mexican neighborhood.

  131. @Carbon blob
    @theMann

    Another litmus test I like to use to evaluate a neighborhood is to see if folks leave grocery carts in parking spaces or take them back to the corral.

    Replies: @Marquandian Hero

    Although, my father used to advocate leaving grocery carts in the lot in our pristine New England town because he felt that perfoming self-service by putting them back would put the cart-gathering guys (teens or local down syndrome types at the time c. 1995) out of work.

  132. @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    >There is nothing “dumb” in equating and comparing with the purpose to NOTICE the patterns.

    But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.

    >A tanker believed to be from an illegal tire recycling factory dumped 20 to 40 tonnes of chemical waste into Sungai Kim Kim.

    Ah, but Corvy, you claimed that you NOTICED that whites are particularly predisposed to littering: and presumably with worse when it comes to the environment. If it an "Asian thing" to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?

    In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News.”

    The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    “If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?”

    It’s called an outlier.

    “In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?”

    I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    >The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    But the average person doesn't have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News. That's the media's responsibility: so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth-just as they get ever more... dare I say, religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.

    >It’s called an outlier.

    Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy. You tend to NOTICE things for yourself.

    >I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    Well, I'd tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life, but you're an adult, you can go figure that out.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  133. @Ozymandias
    @Corvinus

    "Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo."

    LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “LOL. You are unbelievably full of crap.”

    I understand that the truth makes you uncomfortable. But the fact is that from roofing to siding to mowing to snow removal, those squatty Guatamalans and those chunky Mexicans work like the dickens to make sure everything is cleaned up. Just try a tad bit NOTICING next time. You might be surprised what you see.

    The more you know…

  134. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, I am deigning right now to respond to one part of your pointless post. Normally I just ignore you.

    You wrote:


    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
    I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience. It is not a big problem, so I don't care. I have just picked up the bottles, cans and packages that I have found on the ground after they have left. No big deal. BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.

    You are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Do you even own property? Hire anybody? Don't bother answering. I won't respond.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @William Badwhite

    “I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience.”

    Right, YOUR experience. But as in all groups you have individuals who are outliers. But it is common knowledge that Hispanics are hardworking and want to leave a good impression, especially if they know they could be deported at anytime for anything.

    “BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.”

    LOL, so you knowingly and willingly hire illegals to cut down your bushes or paint your house or do other jobs around your domicile. But, since you deem it “clown world” that you live in, you can justify your decision without coming across as being a hypocrite. (rolling of eyes)

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  135. @Buzz Mohawk
    @ricpic

    That is an interesting opinion. Maybe you are right.

    I seem to remember that we (that is, I) the "bourgeoisie, i.e. the solidly [upper] middle class," as you say, did litter occasionally. Are you old enough to remember that time? I am. Your sentiment is appreciated, but might you be ignoring, or could you perhaps be ignorant of, some positive cultural changes that have occurred during my lifetime?

    Your are correct, of course, that now we "do not litter."

    Replies: @ricpic

    Yes, I’m old enough to remember. I can remember trips to Jones Beach in the 1950’s. That’s right, the 1950’s. Absolutely NO LITTERING. Waste receptacles were everywhere and WERE USED. I shudder to think what the place is now.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @ricpic

    Wow, Jones Beach. I went there with a client of mine for a double concert, Paul Simon and Bob Dylan. Yep, both of them in one night... late 1990s.

    Paul had his huge "world" band of the time behind him. Lots of plinka-plinka-plinka, oom-ba oom-ba oom-ba ad infinitum. Then, after intermission, Bob came on stage with his minimal band of three or four other people at most. A woman in front of me said, "his band is small," and I instantly replied out loud, "thank God." Folks around me appreciated that comment, because Paul Simon gave off nothing more than the air of a douche with more support than he deserves. He was better with his old friend Art. Bob did his thing and whatever; never impressed me as much as everyone else; but he was far better than Mr. Simon that night.

    No littering, but I think my client went off during intermission to shoot up or something. The only reason he invited me to that concert was because he couldn't drive anymore. He took me out in his Maserati one time, but then lost his license and died from mysterious causes. Needles carry diseases.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  136. @Pericles
    @Jimi

    If memory serves, that video was at first presented as showing how bad men in general are. Then you wouldn't believe what some people noticed. Then it kind of dropped out of the conversation.

    Record '10 hours of wearing a MAGA hat in New York' and you'll instead draw out the whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Yeah that video got memory holed pretty quickly. God, leftists are awful.

  137. @ricpic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, I'm old enough to remember. I can remember trips to Jones Beach in the 1950's. That's right, the 1950's. Absolutely NO LITTERING. Waste receptacles were everywhere and WERE USED. I shudder to think what the place is now.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Wow, Jones Beach. I went there with a client of mine for a double concert, Paul Simon and Bob Dylan. Yep, both of them in one night… late 1990s.

    Paul had his huge “world” band of the time behind him. Lots of plinka-plinka-plinka, oom-ba oom-ba oom-ba ad infinitum. Then, after intermission, Bob came on stage with his minimal band of three or four other people at most. A woman in front of me said, “his band is small,” and I instantly replied out loud, “thank God.” Folks around me appreciated that comment, because Paul Simon gave off nothing more than the air of a douche with more support than he deserves. He was better with his old friend Art. Bob did his thing and whatever; never impressed me as much as everyone else; but he was far better than Mr. Simon that night.

    No littering, but I think my client went off during intermission to shoot up or something. The only reason he invited me to that concert was because he couldn’t drive anymore. He took me out in his Maserati one time, but then lost his license and died from mysterious causes. Needles carry diseases.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Tell us more about your business back then and your strange "clients".

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, I am deigning right now to respond to one part of your pointless post. Normally I just ignore you.

    You wrote:


    Actually, Latino contractors are notorious for picking up EVERYTHING for the Gringo. You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
    I have had Latinos working on my property, and they have always left litter. That is my experience. It is not a big problem, so I don't care. I have just picked up the bottles, cans and packages that I have found on the ground after they have left. No big deal. BTW I mostly hire Americans but am not above making practical business decisions. I am a pragmatist living in clown world.

    You are the one who has no clue what he is talking about. Do you even own property? Hire anybody? Don't bother answering. I won't respond.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @William Badwhite

    We need a “retard” button, along with the troll button, just for Corky.

  139. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Thanks, Clyde, on behalf of anyone trying to read that. I specifically remember checking that the link worked yesterday before mashing [PUBLISH]. The other link (to Allan Wall on VDare) worked, but this could have been a minor unz bug, possibly just affecting links to his own site, coming back.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    Thanks AN and for some amusing…. check out YouTube for” lost in the shuffle”.

  140. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Thanks, Clyde, on behalf of anyone trying to read that. I specifically remember checking that the link worked yesterday before mashing [PUBLISH]. The other link (to Allan Wall on VDare) worked, but this could have been a minor unz bug, possibly just affecting links to his own site, coming back.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    /

  141. @Buzz Mohawk
    @ricpic

    Wow, Jones Beach. I went there with a client of mine for a double concert, Paul Simon and Bob Dylan. Yep, both of them in one night... late 1990s.

    Paul had his huge "world" band of the time behind him. Lots of plinka-plinka-plinka, oom-ba oom-ba oom-ba ad infinitum. Then, after intermission, Bob came on stage with his minimal band of three or four other people at most. A woman in front of me said, "his band is small," and I instantly replied out loud, "thank God." Folks around me appreciated that comment, because Paul Simon gave off nothing more than the air of a douche with more support than he deserves. He was better with his old friend Art. Bob did his thing and whatever; never impressed me as much as everyone else; but he was far better than Mr. Simon that night.

    No littering, but I think my client went off during intermission to shoot up or something. The only reason he invited me to that concert was because he couldn't drive anymore. He took me out in his Maserati one time, but then lost his license and died from mysterious causes. Needles carry diseases.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Tell us more about your business back then and your strange “clients”.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jim Don Bob

    Boring.

  142. @LondonBob
    @Jonathan Mason

    Q tips damage your hearing in the long term. Some wax is a good thing as it catches stuff that would otherwise enter your ear. Unless you have some medical issue there is no need to clean your ears, they regulate themselves.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Only use Q-Tips on the outer ear. If you use it on the inside it shoves more earwax into the ear canal.

  143. @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    What sort of people would still vote for Elijah Cummings except the sort who live in shitholes?

    Replies: @JimB, @Peter Akuleyev, @Kronos

    After the Civil Rights Movement, many black members created their own private fiefdoms in government. Many of them are quite old. Reminds me of a certain photo taken during the 1980s. The photo featured all of the world’s communist leaders in Moscow. Everyone was essentially very old (and quite fat.) Communist elections are similar to inner city black elections. There’s often only one person to vote for.

  144. @Jim Don Bob
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Tell us more about your business back then and your strange "clients".

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Boring.

  145. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    But bourgeois parts of England are also the minority of the total country. And poor areas of England are not that much better in some of these (e.g. civilized behaviour) dimensions than many places in Russia.

     

    Traditional "Western European culture" - in maybe bottom 50% of England's areas:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2R8mIWWZE


    But, on the other hand, top 5-10% of England - one of the closest places to paradise, or at least, civilisation:


    https://i.imgur.com/LoPUleU.jpg

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Lol what were they even fighting over? Good Lord.

  146. I’ve always felt you could determine a diverse neighborhood from a White neighborhood, by simply observing where the shopping carts are left in the parking lot of a grocery store. The more carts that make it into cart holding areas the Whiter the area is, the more carts just left all over the parking lot, the more diverse it is.

    • Replies: @Disordered Amusements
    @George Taylor

    Legit 1000%
    worked grocery in a SFLo suburb as a teen
    and as I've seen the area "change" and "speak more Spanish", the carts are more haphazardly about in any parking lot
    and there's more of the machines that just pile them up
    and thus less teenagers working, and grown "urban" men replacing them
    and people going to the ever-fancier walmart more often anyway
    driving farther and consuming more gas on their silly "greener" cars

    more traffic, less time at home, which becomes artificially expensive so the Machine can give you a little more credit to live, and to waste away on newer cars and college careers for the kids

    more time in long lines in centralized shopping malls, with people-cattle who don't care for the express cashier item limit, with employees that don't care to ask for better terms or cheaper insurance, since most already come in a banana boat and don't mind living in debt, as long as the newest tv is bought in time for the fifa world cup...

    more time to live, more money to waste, less wealth saved, less time enjoyed... the worst of all worlds...

    then everyone clutched at their handkerchiefs when parkland happened...
    and like the xxxtentacion-loving blacks they've become identified with, the sofloers think candlelight vigils will solve everything...

  147. @Truth
    @Spangel


    In nyc, the black neighborhoods are way dirtier than th Hispanic neighborhoods that don’t have many blacks or afrolatins in them.
     
    I have to agree, Sport. I've spent a lot of time in Little Uruguay, Little Argentina, and Little Sevilla...Spotless.

    Replies: @Disordered Amusements

    some sections of Miami are like that, as 60% of Hispanics coming are from the center-left side of the paperbag test…
    but even then, you can tell by the noise levels and food smells, and specially the offensive driving, that less whites live there…

    as for littering, i agree, blacks do it more; but blacks in America have remained stagnant. thanks to abortion, blacks now can stuff themselves better with kool-aid and chicken nuggets, only barely evolving innovative traits, as the whites encourage only 1-2 baby monkeys. sure, that also means spending less in bullets or jail building than in PP; but then again that is also more money for already wealthy cosmopolitan doctors, and less for poor whites that work in the gun and security industries…

    meanwhile hispanics are not only actually reproducing, but also like to visit other parts of the city more often, parks (they like animals a little better than blacks), bars and such. true, that means their litter is more visible, but on the other hand, more shame-able (even by the more stuck up Whispanics). which is why the gay+hipster gentrification crusaders still have trouble with them browner Hispanics, but much more so with blacks.

    that said, these whitelib crusaders love mixing it up with the diverse in the first place, and will flee the gentrified areas if they become too “corporate”, into smaller towns that they will elevate for a while before ruining. which was the whole point of the elitists and cosmopolitans who plan all of this… cities for them and their soon fully integrated 1984 machines, machinized statewide crops owned by megaconglomerates, + whatever remaining wasteland for the rest.

  148. @George Taylor
    I've always felt you could determine a diverse neighborhood from a White neighborhood, by simply observing where the shopping carts are left in the parking lot of a grocery store. The more carts that make it into cart holding areas the Whiter the area is, the more carts just left all over the parking lot, the more diverse it is.

    Replies: @Disordered Amusements

    Legit 1000%
    worked grocery in a SFLo suburb as a teen
    and as I’ve seen the area “change” and “speak more Spanish”, the carts are more haphazardly about in any parking lot
    and there’s more of the machines that just pile them up
    and thus less teenagers working, and grown “urban” men replacing them
    and people going to the ever-fancier walmart more often anyway
    driving farther and consuming more gas on their silly “greener” cars

    more traffic, less time at home, which becomes artificially expensive so the Machine can give you a little more credit to live, and to waste away on newer cars and college careers for the kids

    more time in long lines in centralized shopping malls, with people-cattle who don’t care for the express cashier item limit, with employees that don’t care to ask for better terms or cheaper insurance, since most already come in a banana boat and don’t mind living in debt, as long as the newest tv is bought in time for the fifa world cup…

    more time to live, more money to waste, less wealth saved, less time enjoyed… the worst of all worlds…

    then everyone clutched at their handkerchiefs when parkland happened…
    and like the xxxtentacion-loving blacks they’ve become identified with, the sofloers think candlelight vigils will solve everything…

  149. @Corvinus
    @nebulafox

    "But there are dumb people like you who tirelessly propagate Fake News."

    The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. A person who consistently employs reason reads several sources to locate facts. From those facts, one can figure out what is truth. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    "If it an “Asian thing” to avoid to avoid such horrific treatment of our planet, why did a chemical spill happen in Malaysia?"

    It's called an outlier.

    "In keeping with your noticeably alt-right beliefs, perhaps white agents snuck in to take the pressure off their own nations and used their abilities to cause the accident. Would you say that is what you believe, given how only whites have agency, maliciousness, and ability in your twisted little brain?"

    I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    But the average person doesn’t have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News. That’s the media’s responsibility: so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth-just as they get ever more… dare I say, religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.

    >It’s called an outlier.

    Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy. You tend to NOTICE things for yourself.

    >I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life, but you’re an adult, you can go figure that out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @nebulafox

    "But the average person doesn’t have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News."

    Now more than ever, the average person has that ability. Typical deflection on your part.

    "That’s the media’s responsibility..."

    Which they generally fulfill.

    "so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth"

    I thought victimhood was purely a liberal trait.

    "religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so."

    According to Who/Whom?

    "Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy."

    True, living abroad gives a person a unique perspective, but not one that truly comprehends the ins and outs had they been residing here.

    "Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life..."

    I live life to the fullest. The Bible assuredly assists in that matter, and Vox Day is simply used as a cudgel to blast apart the Alt Right "anti-white" narrative.

  150. @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    >The problem is that those on the left and on the right who insist the media = Fake News are only fooling themselves. It does not mean, however, that the source, whether it be the NYT or Fox News, should be automatically discounted. What is happening here are increasingly numbers of Americans, because they are a slave to their confirmation bias, are becoming increasingly ignorant.

    But the average person doesn't have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News. That's the media's responsibility: so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth-just as they get ever more... dare I say, religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.

    >It’s called an outlier.

    Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy. You tend to NOTICE things for yourself.

    >I would say you should lay off the sauce for a while.

    Well, I'd tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life, but you're an adult, you can go figure that out.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “But the average person doesn’t have the ability nor the job to inform millions of people about what is and is not Fake News.”

    Now more than ever, the average person has that ability. Typical deflection on your part.

    “That’s the media’s responsibility…”

    Which they generally fulfill.

    “so them falling victim to confirmation bias and insisting that their world-view is the pure truth”

    I thought victimhood was purely a liberal trait.

    “religious in their insistence of being a self-appointed moral conscience-is just a teensy bit more serious for society than Joe Schmoe doing so.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Ah, see, Corvy, this is where actually living abroad instead of sitting in front of the tube might come in handy.”

    True, living abroad gives a person a unique perspective, but not one that truly comprehends the ins and outs had they been residing here.

    “Well, I’d tell you to lay off the Bible and Vox Day for a bit and go live life…”

    I live life to the fullest. The Bible assuredly assists in that matter, and Vox Day is simply used as a cudgel to blast apart the Alt Right “anti-white” narrative.

  151. @Tiny Duck
    Actually whites have littered the most due to colonialism and racism and taught People of Color how to litter. Its like how the British taught and exacerbated the caste system in India

    Ask any Person of Color and they will tell you that white men are the problem with the world

    Read Kirai Desai

    Oh by the way Covington catholic bully Nick Sandmann’s lawsuit dismissed

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-sandmann-lawsuit-against-washington-post-dismissed-by-judge/ar-AAEUDqr?li=BBnbfcL

    A victory for the free press and huge blow to white supremacy and Christian primacy

    This is a good thing. It shows that the courts will fight against entitled white males.

    Replies: @Voyager77, @fish, @Reg Cæsar, @More R1b, Less H1B, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @indocon

    Why the hell were Buddha, Guru Nanak, and Kabir complaining about caste system in India, centuries and mellania before Brits showed up?

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