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From the NYT:
What Went Wrong for Villaraigosa: A California Stalwart Ponders His Loss for Governor
The former Los Angeles mayor said wealthy voters rejected his message — and working class voters failed to turn out.
By Adam Nagourney
June 13, 2018
LOS ANGELES — Antonio R. Villaraigosa was the high-riding mayor of this city for eight years. His election as its first Latino chief executive in modern times was an electrifying moment. Mr. Villaraigosa, a Democrat, has over the years expressed high ambitions for his future: a cabinet secretary in a Hillary Clinton White House. Governor of California. A next-generation leader for Latinos across the nation.
But Mr. Villaraigosa saw those ambitions dashed last week in a dispiriting third-place finish in the primary for governor of California, a showing that not only eliminated him from contention for that office — but probably, as he acknowledged in a ruminative interview at his home in the Hollywood Hills on Wednesday, from elected life.
He drew just 13 percent of the vote after a campaign calling for California to confront an economic divide that he warned threatened its future. It was a stunningly poor showing given the arc of his career: City Council, State Assembly, Assembly speaker, mayor, chairman of the 2012 Democratic National Convention. And it came even after charter school advocates financed a $23 million independent campaign on his behalf.
Villaraigosa is a complete mediocrity who failed the bar exam all four times he took it. He was basically an overgrown juvenile delinquent who was in politics for the Laker tickets.
That he was endlessly promoted by the national media as the Great Mexican-American Avenger says a lot about 21st Century media myths and electoral realities.
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He is a graduate of the esteemed People’s College of Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_College_of_Law
I was hoping you had more stories about Mr. Villaraigosa (<— Yea for cut/paste!). No, not the same one about him borrowing someone's car and trashing it out. ;-}
I like this part though:
Heh, heh. Not agonna happen … for ANYONE! Thank God for that.
“Got into politics for Lakers tickets.” Lol, nice
“Villaraigosa is a complete mediocrity who failed the bar exam all four times he took it.”
Hey Kiko Reed, your telefono is ringing.
“That he was endlessly promoted by the national media as the Great Mexican-American Avenger says a lot about 21st Century media myths and electoral realities.”
Not to worry, amigo, Eric Garcetti is now poised to be the first Mexican Hebrew Harvard-Westlakeian American in the solar system to… uh, do something.
Villaragosa revealed himself to be a typical neoliberal sellout as mayor of LA over 10 years ago. Although I’ve been out of California 10 years and haven’t followed things there very closely, it is no surprise to me that his campaign tanked, especially since Newsom, according to what little I knew from my perch in Canada, was apparently the anointed candidate of the party structure.
This really was a key dynamic in the 2016 presidential race.
“This is not who we are.”
“Villaraigosa is a complete mediocrity…”
“THIS is who we are.”
Oh, man, that’s hilarious!
I rarely laugh out loud, but that cracked me up!
Is this a joke? He freely admits that he hasn’t even attempted to understand why he got his ass kicked, but dismisses the idea that anyone else could know more than him about the topic.
Let’s be hydrographically correct. It’s not a “tidal wave”.
It’s a tsunamito.
Another reason they shoulda stood in Minneapolis.
One of the big, underdiscussed differences between the Donks and the GOP is the Donks are really the machine politics party out of the two. You just can’t beat “the anointed candidate of the party structure” in a Democratic primary. In Republican primaries, insurgents can and do win.
This really was a key dynamic in the 2016 presidential race.
It shows the shallowness of the Hispanic bench of political talent. Or perhaps the lack of an essential cultural touchstone. The Obama phenomenon was possible for blacks only because Obama’s urbane cautious style comported favorably with the numinous negro fantasy internalized by many whites. Which white fantasy of Latino dignity could Villaraigosa aspire to resonate with —Ricardo Montalban, Juan Valdez, Hervé Villechaize?
I don’t know a ton of people from LA, but they are all unified in saying Villaraigosa is a moron.
Give the latinos some credit, though. They know he’s a loser and those who voted mostly voted for someone else rather than ethnic solidarity. In Georgia where blacks are the single biggest block of Democratic voters, the black Democrat beat the white Democrat by over 50 points. She explicitly emphasized motivating minority voters with the aid of guilty white liberals.
The GOP share of the latino vote nationally isn’t great, but at least a healthy chunk is persuadable and that number could go up by either/or a) the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party, and b) if more latinos move up the economic ladder, since the higher their income the more they vote like anglo-Americans.
I think over time more and more latinos will not really consider themselves an ethnic voting bloc, and although it will be slow the movement will be enough that we will be reading stories for decades about how any day now the latino vote will give the Democrats a permanent lock on the WH and Senate.
As I recall the 2016 Democratic national convention, that was the Clinton strategy.Replies: @nebulafox
Mexicans will never be Americans.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Jefferson
A GOP more concerned with the fate of average Americans over billionaires and Job Creators can have its cake and eat it too: that'll get the Rust Belt working class white vote that gave Donald Trump victory in 2016, and stymie leftist dreams about assembling the Coalition of the Fringes on the backs of Latinos. Especially since the Democrats are increasingly not even bothering to hide their gentry class oriented bent: just look at how an old-school Sozi like the 2015 edition of Bernie Sanders getting grilled by the neoliberal/SJW twerps at Vox, less than half his age, on the obvious contradiction between higher wages and mass immigration.Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson
I’ve already forgotten who did win that election. Or maybe I never bothered to find out in the first place.
Yeah I live in California. So what?
AV is a former leader of an extremist racial separatist group. Several years ago, it took some guy holding a sign to force him to acknowledge & apologize for that. It played 0 role in his recent run.
I invite everyone to imagine if a GOP candidate had even glanced at the con equivalent of the group AV was associated with. There’d be denunciations, show trials, banishments to Sibir, etc. etc.
Why the difference? Because con leaders can get away with being grossly incompetent.
Give the latinos some credit, though. They know he's a loser and those who voted mostly voted for someone else rather than ethnic solidarity. In Georgia where blacks are the single biggest block of Democratic voters, the black Democrat beat the white Democrat by over 50 points. She explicitly emphasized motivating minority voters with the aid of guilty white liberals.
The GOP share of the latino vote nationally isn't great, but at least a healthy chunk is persuadable and that number could go up by either/or a) the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party, and b) if more latinos move up the economic ladder, since the higher their income the more they vote like anglo-Americans.
I think over time more and more latinos will not really consider themselves an ethnic voting bloc, and although it will be slow the movement will be enough that we will be reading stories for decades about how any day now the latino vote will give the Democrats a permanent lock on the WH and Senate.Replies: @oddsbodkins, @James Scott, @nebulafox, @Olorin
“… the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party”
As I recall the 2016 Democratic national convention, that was the Clinton strategy.
True, there is some illegal immigrants that vote but not at the levels that a lot of conservatives think. If illegal immigrants voted as much as people think than Villaraigosa would have won. Another think, white working class also vote less Republican than well to do southerners according to Vox, Trump is now doing the same in the Midwest as Romney while Trump is up 5 percent in Florida. The southern states with their black or Latino populations have whites that vote more Republican than PA, Wisconian, and Michigan. Texas Cruz is winning by 12 points and in PA Casey the Dem is winning y 17 points. The Hispanic states of Texas and Florida are better for Republicans than PA, Wisconian, and Michigan. Latinos have less effect on state politics than conservatives thought. In fact Texas now has a higher percentage of Latinos than California. 39 versus 38. Uppity Asians and white Easterners started to moved into California which is why Newscom is doing the best while Latinos that are 2nd and 3rd generation are leaving Ca for Texas.
This graphic clearly shows both the primary/general and on/off year patterns: http://www.ppic.org/publication/voter-participation-in-california/
http://www.ppic.org/content/images/figure2_voter-participation.png
Villar should have never taken that portmanteau surname (it’s a combination with his bride’s maiden name). It’s not as silly as de Blasio’s situation, but the voters can tell when a pol is trying too hard. It looks bad. Actually why does he still have the ridiculous name, when I assume his wife left him after he was fooling around with that Telemundo(?) anchorwoman Mirisala Salinas(also “?”–can’t keep Tony’s bimbettes distinct in my memory)? The weirdness of the next batch of Democratic hopefuls after Weiner, Schneiderman and Villar will be a recurring storyline over the next decade. Barack was a pretty odd guy when you get down to it
Overgrown juvenile delinquents can’t do well in American politics?
“even after charter school advocates financed a $23 million independent campaign on his behalf”
Any clues as to the identity of these well-heeled advocates?
It’s just another do gooder non profit parasite scam.
The teachers unions went all out to destroy Villagroso.
That name is terrible Everybody knows how to pronounce and spell normal Spanish names. But even Spanish speakers have a hard time with it.
I believe he was making some sort of statement when he invented the name, maybe feminism. Who knows.
But he has such a highbrow sounding name, to me. I guess Mexicans must find it a bit nouveau.
Obama was truly unique among black politicians: having been raised white, he could act either white or black with equal facility, depending on what circumstances called for at the moment. One minute he could jive with the best of them, the next minute he could speak with absolutely “no negro dialect,” as Sen. Harry Reid once memorably put it. I doubt we’ll see any other black politicians like him in our lifetime.
Villechaize was actually French, even if his Fantasy Island character (‘Tattoo’) was supposed to be vaguely Hispanic.
Give the latinos some credit, though. They know he's a loser and those who voted mostly voted for someone else rather than ethnic solidarity. In Georgia where blacks are the single biggest block of Democratic voters, the black Democrat beat the white Democrat by over 50 points. She explicitly emphasized motivating minority voters with the aid of guilty white liberals.
The GOP share of the latino vote nationally isn't great, but at least a healthy chunk is persuadable and that number could go up by either/or a) the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party, and b) if more latinos move up the economic ladder, since the higher their income the more they vote like anglo-Americans.
I think over time more and more latinos will not really consider themselves an ethnic voting bloc, and although it will be slow the movement will be enough that we will be reading stories for decades about how any day now the latino vote will give the Democrats a permanent lock on the WH and Senate.Replies: @oddsbodkins, @James Scott, @nebulafox, @Olorin
13% is all the wetbacks voting. They are usually only 8% of voters. Wetbacks will never vote for whites. Here in California as soon as a city is half wetback they begin clamoring for at large voting so they can dominate city councils. when they are less than half the population they demand district voting so they can claim a few seats and then as soon as they are the majority they demand at large voting.
Mexicans will never be Americans.
Why so hard on him? A low-brow Latino is likely less liberal than any elite white liberal. If Villaraigosa had won, he would’ve diluted the liberal essence of the Democrat party.
I would not have a problem with Hispanics if their Leftism was only limited to open borders, but unfortunately it's not.
Wasn’t he the mayor of Mexican descent who wanted to build a wall around his mansion while complaining about walls around borders?
Give the latinos some credit, though. They know he's a loser and those who voted mostly voted for someone else rather than ethnic solidarity. In Georgia where blacks are the single biggest block of Democratic voters, the black Democrat beat the white Democrat by over 50 points. She explicitly emphasized motivating minority voters with the aid of guilty white liberals.
The GOP share of the latino vote nationally isn't great, but at least a healthy chunk is persuadable and that number could go up by either/or a) the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party, and b) if more latinos move up the economic ladder, since the higher their income the more they vote like anglo-Americans.
I think over time more and more latinos will not really consider themselves an ethnic voting bloc, and although it will be slow the movement will be enough that we will be reading stories for decades about how any day now the latino vote will give the Democrats a permanent lock on the WH and Senate.Replies: @oddsbodkins, @James Scott, @nebulafox, @Olorin
The Left wants to do its damnedest to actively prevent assimilation and turn them instead into the safe dependents and economic serfs of the donor and upper-middle classes that dominate the Democratic party. Now, that vision will run into some problems down the road, as decades down the line, I very much doubt that Latinos will be interested in playing second fiddle to blacks in the Coalition of the Fringes as they outstrip them both in numbers and socioeconomic heft-to say nothing of sharply diverging interests with the true dictating constituencies of the Democratic Party.
But why rely on the mistakes of your enemies? It’d be the height of folly for the New Right to help them out of some ridiculous vision of white nationalist mysticism, which is nothing so much as the reverse coin of the fetishization of mediocrity you see on the Left. Look, even leaving aside the fact that most Mexicans (Central Americans are a different story-Latin America is no more hegemonic than Europe or Asia) are either white or part-white anyway, you got to work with the nation and electoral body you have, not the one you wish you have. Even if all illegals were to disappear magically tomorrow, tens of millions of legally emigrated citizens of Mexican or Central American extraction would still be here, to say nothing of groups like Tejanos who tend to be “more Texan than the Texans” in outlook. Intermarriage and assimilation into American culture isn’t to be guarded against, for the love of God: it is to be encouraged with whatever money, effort, threats, carrots, sticks you need to throw at it to make it happen on America’s terms.
For this to happen, the Rovian fantasies about winning Mexicans over by combining amnesty with Chamber of Commerce wet dreams are gonna have to go. The Slims and Ramoses of the world are the exceptions: Mexican-Americans are still a largely working or lower-middle class bunch, they are no more interested in free market fantasy schemes that mess with their Social Security or health care than working class Euro-Americans are-or to open the borders, for that matter, no matter how much DNC propaganda tries to hide this reality. The entire history of post-Bush politics should have made this clear: lamb-like bleating about giving CEOs more tax cuts ain’t gonna cut it with the voters. (To say nothing of not toppling dictators in the Middle East on ideological whims or meddling in the internal affairs of other nuclear powers: another issue where the now openly neo-Wilsonian DNC can really be beaten up on.)
A GOP more concerned with the fate of average Americans over billionaires and Job Creators can have its cake and eat it too: that’ll get the Rust Belt working class white vote that gave Donald Trump victory in 2016, and stymie leftist dreams about assembling the Coalition of the Fringes on the backs of Latinos. Especially since the Democrats are increasingly not even bothering to hide their gentry class oriented bent: just look at how an old-school Sozi like the 2015 edition of Bernie Sanders getting grilled by the neoliberal/SJW twerps at Vox, less than half his age, on the obvious contradiction between higher wages and mass immigration.
The reason Mexicans support Communism and Socialism over the Free Market is because of their low IQs. That is why they keep voting for the pro-welfare politicians in The Democratic Party because they can not compete in the free market.Replies: @Anonymous
As I recall the 2016 Democratic national convention, that was the Clinton strategy.Replies: @nebulafox
TBH, I don’t really think Clinton had a strategy: she probably assumed victory was hers after hearing her media allying bray about it 24/7 for months. And against just about any other GOP candidate, she would have been right.
An off year primary election is a very different case than the 2016 general with Trump was. Some numbers from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/california-primary-turnout-will-probably-be-terrible.html
CA 2018 primary turnout currently given as 35.7%: https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/voter-turnout
This graphic clearly shows both the primary/general and on/off year patterns: http://www.ppic.org/publication/voter-participation-in-california/
Fethullah Gülen is probably one. He’s a big charter school operator in California. He even has a Muslim woman running for congress as a democrat in Arizona who’s primary pitch is privatizing the public schools. A Democrat wow….
Any clues as to the identity of these well-heeled advocates?Replies: @Alden
Business people who wanted to build and run charter schools. The charter schools get the same tax money as the public schools but the people who own the schools make a profit
It’s just another do gooder non profit parasite scam.
The teachers unions went all out to destroy Villagroso.
That name is terrible Everybody knows how to pronounce and spell normal Spanish names. But even Spanish speakers have a hard time with it.
I believe he was making some sort of statement when he invented the name, maybe feminism. Who knows.
Give the latinos some credit, though. They know he's a loser and those who voted mostly voted for someone else rather than ethnic solidarity. In Georgia where blacks are the single biggest block of Democratic voters, the black Democrat beat the white Democrat by over 50 points. She explicitly emphasized motivating minority voters with the aid of guilty white liberals.
The GOP share of the latino vote nationally isn't great, but at least a healthy chunk is persuadable and that number could go up by either/or a) the Sailer strategy of branding the donkeys as the black party, and b) if more latinos move up the economic ladder, since the higher their income the more they vote like anglo-Americans.
I think over time more and more latinos will not really consider themselves an ethnic voting bloc, and although it will be slow the movement will be enough that we will be reading stories for decades about how any day now the latino vote will give the Democrats a permanent lock on the WH and Senate.Replies: @oddsbodkins, @James Scott, @nebulafox, @Olorin
Methinks our host got that from the Dems themselves. Even black commentators were disgruntled at the Dems for their race-baiting/posing as the party of blackness.
Remember this? Where the Dems got spanked for not being radically black enough?
http://time.com/4504138/black-vote-blank-out/
Host wasn’t strategizing here, he was Noticing.
“Villaraigosa is a complete mediocrity who failed the bar exam all four times he took it.”
Clearly a racist exam.
Villaraigosa’s bad showing had nothing to do with his ethnicity and everything to do with his policies being out of step with Democratic voters. Everyone knew his number one issue was school privatization, his backers were exclusively school privatization looter billionaires (most of whom were Republicans), and he had no platform other than facilitating billionaires looting the public purse via school privatization.
School privatization is catastrophically bad public policy, unjust, racist, and corrupt as hell. He should have changed his name to back to “Tony Villar” and run as a Republican.
Shakira for President.
Mexicans will never be Americans.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Jefferson
To be fair, they seem to pretty much only vote for whites in Mexico and Mexico is, at most, only 10% white. Their TV shows are less “vibrant” than American ones as well.
Mexican’s in-group preference is expressed very differently than American.
Democrats are becoming the maggot party. Those who want to feast off what remains of America’s social capital, history and wealth.
Her month off before the election seemed very much like what someone would do in their gardening leave before starting a new, big job.
If we’re running a famous Colombiana, I recommend instead Sofia Vergara: she has more experience and ah…ahem…resources….
But that voice…
Same accent as Shakira’s, basically; like I said, if we’re running a Colombiana. You want the voice, go with a French or Scottish gal; but I find what people find atractuve in voices far more variable and subjective than what just find visually attractive. Someone else would argue for a Russian or a Japanese, others would find those accents off putting….
The Left are having an extremely hard time finding the Mexican Barack Hussein Obama.
Mexican machismo does not translate into political charisma.
“To be fair, they seem to pretty much only vote for whites in Mexico”
Plenty of Senators in Mexico look “stereotypically” Mexican in phenotype, meaning phenotype they could never pass for English speaking White Gringos in The U.S. The type who could never even pass for Italian, Jewish, or Greek in The U.S, let alone pass for the average White American who is a Northwest European mix of Anglo Saxon, Scottish, German, and Irish ancestry.
https://goo.gl/images/aRaasU
Thanks to the Derb for collating.Replies: @Jefferson
A GOP more concerned with the fate of average Americans over billionaires and Job Creators can have its cake and eat it too: that'll get the Rust Belt working class white vote that gave Donald Trump victory in 2016, and stymie leftist dreams about assembling the Coalition of the Fringes on the backs of Latinos. Especially since the Democrats are increasingly not even bothering to hide their gentry class oriented bent: just look at how an old-school Sozi like the 2015 edition of Bernie Sanders getting grilled by the neoliberal/SJW twerps at Vox, less than half his age, on the obvious contradiction between higher wages and mass immigration.Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson
“Mexican-Americans are still a largely working or lower-middle class bunch, they are no more interested in free market”
The reason Mexicans support Communism and Socialism over the Free Market is because of their low IQs. That is why they keep voting for the pro-welfare politicians in The Democratic Party because they can not compete in the free market.
A GOP more concerned with the fate of average Americans over billionaires and Job Creators can have its cake and eat it too: that'll get the Rust Belt working class white vote that gave Donald Trump victory in 2016, and stymie leftist dreams about assembling the Coalition of the Fringes on the backs of Latinos. Especially since the Democrats are increasingly not even bothering to hide their gentry class oriented bent: just look at how an old-school Sozi like the 2015 edition of Bernie Sanders getting grilled by the neoliberal/SJW twerps at Vox, less than half his age, on the obvious contradiction between higher wages and mass immigration.Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson
“very much doubt that Latinos will be interested in playing second fiddle to blacks in the Coalition of the Fringes ?”
As long as The Democratic Party remains the party of open borders who advocate that everybody in Latin America with a working pulse has the natural born God given right to immigrate to The U.S they will NEVER leave The Coalition Of The Fringes.
Hispanic voters are 1 issue voters and that is immigration, more specifically having less strict immigration laws and adopting the Angela Merkel model for The U.S/Mexican border.
There is no other political issue that Hispanics are anywhere near as passionate about as immigration. Immigration is the only issue that lights up the fuego of Hispanic voters. That is why there are masses of Hispanic Social Justice Warriors in states like Texas and Arizona trying to stop ICE buses full of Illegal Immigrant detainees.
“Why so hard on him? A low-brow Latino is likely less liberal than any elite white liberal.”
Most Hispanics in California voted for stricter gun control laws, higher taxes, and the legalization of marijuana.
Hispanic Leftwingism is not limited to just open borders, Hispanic politics is Leftwing across the entire political board.
Hispanics are to the political Left of The Cato Institute. The Cato Institute are also pro-open borders just like Hispanics but atleast they believe hard working law abiding people should not be taxed to their eyeballs and should be able to own guns. The average Hispanic does not even believe that. The average Hispanic wants England’s gun laws combined with Venezuela’s economic model.
I would not have a problem with Hispanics if their Leftism was only limited to open borders, but unfortunately it’s not.
Mexicans will never be Americans.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Jefferson
“Mexicans will never be Americans”
Mexicans are the reason nobody who is to the political Right of Nancy Pelosi can get elected governor of Mexifornia.
Even the most Liberal Republicans are still seen as way too Right Wing/Hitler like to be elected governor of Mexifornia.
I remember many years ago seeing pro-Jerry Brown political ads bashing Meg Whitman as being too Right Wing to represent California values a.k.a Mexifornia values.
And Meg Whitman is about as Right Wing as John McCain.
Here’s a collage of their last 12 Presidents. Would any of them be thought of as ethnic in America? They’d stick out as at least part Southern European in England but only in the way General Franco would.
https://goo.gl/images/aRaasU
Thanks to the Derb for collating.
http://www.senado.gob.mx/index.php?watch=4&str=HReplies: @Autochthon
The reason Mexicans support Communism and Socialism over the Free Market is because of their low IQs. That is why they keep voting for the pro-welfare politicians in The Democratic Party because they can not compete in the free market.Replies: @Anonymous
In a racially mixed polity, members of lower cognitive, lower time preference groups are acting in their own personal rational self interest by supporting redistributionist policies so long as the level of redistribution doesn’t cause the system to collapse completely. If you are an 90 IQ mestizo , high taxes are no problem so long as they are progressive enough yours aren’t too bad. Gun control you don’t care if your leaders support, because unless it’s Singapore style (e.g., really effective for everyone) you will always have a pistola somehow. By the same token, you personally don’t care about pot or abortion laws very much. Mexicans will always be able to get weed and while you’d like to put a knife in a woman who would abort your kid, you don’t particularly give a shit about anyone else’s.
(But fuck with their lowriders and you are dead meat. California’s “strict” emissions laws are carefully written to let a ’71 Buick Riviera blow unburned gas fumes all day while people with ten year old Hondas have to spend piles to pass smog tests.)
Catholic Mexico always had high rates of abortion and everyone smoked marijuana, which is, after all, a Spanish word.
Mexico is like it is because Mexicans are who they are.
https://goo.gl/images/aRaasU
Thanks to the Derb for collating.Replies: @Jefferson
Here is a list of Mexican Senators. Phenotype wise it’s overwhelmingly Mestizo and Mediterranean (Spain). Phenotypes that look like a typical White American from Idaho or Nebraska who is of Northwest European descent (England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany) are in the minority.
http://www.senado.gob.mx/index.php?watch=4&str=H
http://www.senado.gob.mx/index.php?watch=4&str=HReplies: @Autochthon
N.B. The abscence of even a single female senator. Of course, this has no significance, just as the status of females among Mohammadens has none, vis-a-vis diversity, feminism, etc. Because “Shut Up,” They’ve Explained.
I wondered about that too, but Mexico’s female senators have their own webpage.
I remember seeing a big discussion on a liberal forum over “why the GOP lost California”. The general consensus was that the decline in Republican fortunes in the state in the last decades was due to its increasing ‘extremism’.
I started to write “touché” or otherwise concede my ignorance (I still do concede my ignorance!), but then I realized even that separation represents a kind of segregation which would never be countenanced among Europeans, who won’t even stand for males and females having separate lavatories….
Beavis & Butthead must have had a field day with this one.