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As usual, I’m not going to watch the candidates’ debate, but if you do, your comments are welcome.

Lately, it’s starting to look like Bernie, heart attack and all, just might be Last Man Standing.

 
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  1. fish says:

    Lately, it’s starting to look like Bernie, heart attack and all, just might be Last Man Standing.

    Hey……don’t go all Binary on us Steve!

  2. Lot says:

    Bernie or Warren’s nomination could be the best for immigration patriots.

    If it is Joe or Pete, Trump may feel the need to pander to the corporate right with a “skilled worker” immigration bill like the giant h1b increase that’s being talked about.

    But Bernie or Warren will scare the heck out of Koch types and into Trump’s arms.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @nebulafox
    , @Mr. Anon
  3. J.Ross says:

    Project Veritas has some nobody Bernie staffer babbling about fantasy leftist terrorism, which is a real letdown because actual leftist terrorism went completely unpunished last election, so how is this a story? Last election Veritas got staffers admitting on tape that they were committing vote fraud and provoking violence at rallies, and this year they have a dream of Yezhovshchina by a pothead with a DUI conviction who sells Bernie buttons. It’s worth a look (and it’s a refreshing counterpoint to nonstop mass media demonization of anyone to the right of Timothy Leary) but it’s much less important than the earlier wave of Veritas interviews with tech and media staffers expaining how the organization and censorship actually worked.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  4. notsaying says:

    I am going to miss Andrew Yang tonight.

    I am not sure about his plan for $1,000 a month but I feel sure he’s right that AI is going to kill tens of millions of jobs that will never be replaced. At least he is aware of this catastrophic problem and is thinking about ways to handle it. I have notice that the other candidates don’t even talk about this.

    A big minus with him is that he doesn’t dissent from the current Democratic concensus about immigration, which is too bad. Still he seems honest and smart enough to realize that we do have to cut back on immigration as soon as possible if we aren’t going to have enough jobs for ourselves.

    I saw someone on one of the news shows questioning Steyer over having 90% of TV ads for some states, maybe South Carolina and Nevada. That’s too much like attempting to buy a race for me. I worry about that with Bloomburg also.

  5. Hail says: • Website

    Democratic presidential betting markets for the second week of January 2020, reveal a distinct three tiers (and the long-shot hangers-on):

    First tier (11 in 20 chance the nominee will be one of these two men)
    – Biden
    – Sanders

    Second tier (5 in 20 chance it will be one of these three)
    – Warren
    – Bloomberg
    – Buttigieg (D-CIA)

    Third tier (2 in 20 chance it will be one of these three)
    – Yang
    – Clinton
    – Klobuchar

    Long shots (2 in 20 chance it will be one of these)
    – Tom Steyer [Jewish ancestry]
    – Tulsi Gabbard [5/16ths Pacific Islander]
    – Deval Patrick [Black; post-Romney Mass. governor]
    – Corey Booker [Black] (note: dropped out Jan. 13)
    – Michael Bennett [Jewish ancestry and identity]
    – Andrew Cuomo
    – Julian Castro [non-Spanish speaking Hispanic]

    _____________

    Chance the D nominee will have substantial Jewish ancestry:
    39% (Sanders, Bloomberg, Steyer, Bennet)

    Chance the D nominee will be a White-Christian without substantial Jewish ancestry:
    54%

    Others (Yang, Gabbard, Booker [out but still measured], Castro, Patrick)
    7%

    _____________

    The tiers of candidate have shifted roughly as follows in the past year:

    As of Feb. 2019: Harris was in the top tier outright and Beto was solidly in the second tier. Bloomberg has actually quietly been in the second tier this whole time but as he only recently officially got in, he was getting little coverage in early 2019. Buttigieg was crammed in with All Others in the <1%-each range as of Feb. 2019 (the CIA order to the media to begin promoting him must have come somewhat later).

    (The comment archives here reveal many predicted Harris would be the nominee and sworn in as president on Jan. 20, 2021; not a bad prediction, at the time, given that she had elbowed into the first tier and stayed there for much of 2019; but wrong.)

    By October 2019, Warren, at least by this measure, was distinctly in the first tier; today she is distinctly in the second tier. And of course Harris is now out entirely but as of Oct. 2019 she was still clinging to a place in second tier in October (dropped out Dec. 3). Beto had faded substantially by Oct. 2019 and dropped out Nov. 1.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  6. Lately, it’s starting to look like Bernie, heart attack and all, just might be Last Man Standing

    In that case, the Last Man probably won’t remain standing for very long; a vote for Bernie is a vote for whomever he picks as his running mate. (Same goes for Biden. Trump too, I suspect.) Boomers not okay.

    • Replies: @CJ
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jack D
  7. notsaying says:

    I happened to be over at Daily Kos today (a rarity for me) and saw this:

    “Warren pledges to take action to cancel student debt on ‘day one’ if elected president”

    “I’ll direct the Secretary of Education to use their authority to begin to compromise and modify federal student loans consistent with my plan to cancel up to $50,000 in debt for 95% of student loan borrowers (about 42 million people),” her statement on Medium reads.”

    I am not sure what I think about this cancellation if it is paid for with tax money.

    I certainly do think that the amount involved is big enough that Congress should be involved. Warren claims it’s something she can do on here own, legally: “Warren’s argument is that under current law, the Department of Education can, in her interpretation, cancel federal student debt through the Higher Education Act. As president, Warren says she would instruct her secretary of education to jump on the legal loophole.”

    I wonder if this will come up in the debates and if anyone else will jump on this bandwagon.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/14/1911437/-Warren-pledges-to-cancel-student-debt-on-day-one-if-elected-president

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @AnotherDad
  8. istevefan says:
    @J.Ross

    some nobody Bernie staffer babbling about fantasy leftist terrorism,

    Don’t take their frame and call him a nobody. You know damn well if a “nobody” in Trump’s campaign had said something as offensive, Trump would be inundated with questions at the the debate to denounce and apologize. Heck Trump was, and is sometimes even now, asked to denounce David Duke even though Duke is not related to the campaign.

    The guy obviously felt comfortable discussing his views in front of other Bernie supporters. So my guess is that he is not alone in that campaign with those views.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @J.Ross
  9. istevefan says:
    @notsaying

    I am not sure what I think about this cancellation if it is paid for with tax money.

    If student debt is somehow modified or cancelled, it should not be done without some things being given up for it. You will recall in 2008, we bailed out the banks who were “too big to fail”. But rather than force them to divest in exchange for the bailout, we just bailed them out. So if they were to get into trouble again today, they would still be “too big to fail.” Our bailout did not solve the problem. It only pushed it down the road.

    If student debt is to be addressed, two things that come to my mind are bankruptcy and college endowments. The law should be changed to allow student debt in the future to be discharged in bankruptcy like other debts.

    And the colleges must use their collective endowments to cover at least half of the outstanding student debt that is to be forgiven. After all the colleges benefited from the exorbitant tuition rates so it seems fair that they should have to help.

    I suppose other people would add other conditions. But I would hate to just forgive the debt without getting anything in return.

  10. Hail says: • Website

    Tulsi Gabbard attacks “DNC and corporate media” for conspiring to silence her campaign:

    Locked out of the debate, she ran a live-stream, instead, from New Hampshire, with anti-war dissident figure Dennis Kucinich:

    [MORE]

    (note: Autocorrect suggests “Zucchini” for “Kucinich.”)

  11. Bugg says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    King has spent the last several years berating Trump supporters. But he doesn’t grasp a white guy who lives in white Maine and writes horror books about white people for white people (Red in “Shawshank” in the book is a white guy, but kudos to Morgan Freeman who did such great work in the movie)is to The Woke still a white guy. The Woke still hate you. The guy drank Bud tall boys and snorted cocaine while writing his books. And some of them made great movies, when somebody else took the source materials. He inexplicably thought he could do better than Kubrick and Nicholson with “The Shining” ; he deserves everything he gets. What the Left doesn’t rasp s you can wears your hairshirt 24/7, if you’re a white guy it will never be enough.

    This old white people Dem race is gonna be great fun!

  12. @istevefan

    Keep in mind the level of financial literacy among the electorate. We’re rapidly approaching the day when one of us could win the presidency by promising to eliminate all debts. Seems only fair, right? As you say, the banks got a bailout (so did millions of mortgage holders btw). Considerations like ‘moral hazard’ are trivial–arcane, even–when one can more readily invoke ‘white supremacy’ and pin it on the other guy. Then PROFIT!

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  13. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    AFAIK, Ann Coulter is still endorsing Joe Biden to win the nomination and the presidency and get the orange con-artist out, before he pulls a second-term Amnesty. Biden as least-bad alternative.

    “From foreign policy to immigration, the Trump presidency has been George W. Bush’s third term in everything but tweets.” —Hunter Wallace

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @fnn
  14. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Teri Hatcher endorsed Andrew Yang recently:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/476910-former-desperate-housewives-star-endorses-yang

    Yang has also been endorsed by Dominique Wilkins.

  15. @istevefan

    The radical Bernie staffer’s views are not that different from those expressed by Harvard Law professor Marl Tushnet in 2016, when he believed Hillary would win.

    A Harvard law professor has called for liberals to begin treating like Nazis those who subscribe to Christian or conservative beliefs.

    In a Friday blog post at Balkinization, Mark Tushnet said conservatives and Christians have lost the culture wars, and now the question is “how to deal with the losers.”

    “My own judgment is that taking a hard line (‘You lost, live with it’) is better than trying to accommodate the losers,” he wrote.

    “Trying to be nice to the losers didn’t work well after the Civil War, nor after Brown,” Mr. Tushnet wrote, citing the Supreme Court case on segregation. “And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”

    Mr. Tushnet said liberals should stop being so hesitant to advance their agenda through the judiciary, saying a majority of federal judges have been appointed by Democratic presidents, and they need not worry “reversal by the Supreme Court” now that former Associate Justice Antonin Scalia is dead.

  16. @istevefan

    To forgive student debt as Warren describes would be a huge transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to our rapacious universities. Universities must bear a share of the responsibility for encouraging naive 18-year-olds to take on hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for educations that in most cases have little economic value. This is an evil system and needs radical reform.

    • Thanks: Joe Stalin
    • Replies: @Romanian
    , @Thea
  17. @Hail

    I saw Coulter at a private event in December and she said she had no alternative but to vote for Trump.

  18. fnn says:
    @Hail

    Is NYT/Brookings claiming that a lot of immigrants are fleeing the US?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/census-immigration.html

    The net increase of immigrants in the American population dropped to about 200,000 people in 2018, a decline of more than 70 percent from the year before, according to William Frey, chief demographer at the Brookings Institution, who conducted the analysis.

    “It’s remarkable,” said David Bier, an immigration expert at the Cato Institute, of the 2018 numbers. “This is something that really hasn’t happened since the Great Recession. This should be very concerning to the administration that its policies are scaring people away.”

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Charon
  19. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    To forgive student debt as Warren describes would be a huge transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to our rapacious universities.

    I believe the Feds took over student loans when Obama was President. That paper is probably resold. Likely it looks a lot like Fannie and Freddie during the housing bubble. So there would be a lot of paper suddenly shifting in value. This might just make the markets interesting, maybe as interesting as in 2008.

    Warren is just trying to buy votes. Nothing new about that. Cheap talk.

  20. istevefan says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I don’t recall hearing about that.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  21. @Mr McKenna

    It’s not really financially illiterate for people to vote for someone who promises to cancel their debts.

    Canceling debts every so often is not a new concept, either. In ancient Israel, a “jubilee” occurred about every 50 years, and debts were forgiven. In the rest of the Near East this often coincided with the coronation of a new King. Willing to bet a lot of small-scale debts disappeared with events like the French Revolution, Russian Revolution, WWI, WWII, etc.

    We are trillions in debt, it’s not like little more is going to severely impact us at this point. Also, it will never be paid off or balanced within the next 50 years. Reduced, perhaps.

    It wouldn’t completely devastate the economy either, though It might hurt some of the large sectors. But relieving certain debts would result in a (temporary) increase in consumer spending.

    My idea is that current student loan debts should be forgiven, with the caveat that for-profit colleges will either be outlawed or highly regulated, endowments for all colleges will be reduced, so colleges will be forced to be more selective about who they admit. Colleges with low retention/graduation rates should be penalized and shut down if they don’t improve. Basically, restructure the entire higher education industry.

  22. Hail says: • Website
    @notsaying

    I am going to miss Andrew Yang tonight.

    If Audacious Epigone is right, you’ll see more of him.

    AE has just predicted (based on data calculations) that the final D-team ticket will be:

    Though I’m still eating Harris Crow leftovers, I’ll go ahead and audaciously predict a Biden/Yang nomination now.

    (Yes, AE was one of the many from Q1 to Q3 2019 who said Harris would be the one.)

    AE’s second-choice (prediction) for the D ticket is Sanders/Klobuchar.

  23. J.Ross says:
    @istevefan

    Fair point but I don’t think Bernie wants death camps.

  24. BB753 says:

    Man, what a bunch of losers!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. J.Ross says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Is the stock image of a Republic serial villain confidently revealing his plans actually derived from this behavior? Cos it keeps happening again and again, its clearly a thing with these people. Hey wiki, do you have anything about this guys’ parents or–

    Tushnet is Jewish. His wife, Elizabeth Alexander, is a Unitarian [for current purposes, =Jewish],[19] and formerly directed the National Prison Project [What did I just tell you?] of the American Civil Liberties Union [Now do you believe me?]. She now works in private practice. Their daughter Rebecca Tushnet is also a professor of law at Harvard Law School [=Jewish, plus tick the Nep box].[20][21] Their other daughter Eve is a celibate lesbian Roman Catholic author and blogger [calling this Jewish, it’s less words to say the same thing].[22][23]

    Between this genius revealing his plans, and claiming that the Reconstruction was Thaddeus Stevens being excessively nice to the Southerners, and that other genius not knowing what the Children’s Crusade was, we really need to figure out what happened to Harvard Law School.

  26. As usual, I’m not going to watch the candidates’ debate, but if you do, your comments are welcome.

    Same here, as also is usual.

    Goin’ to the candidate’s debate?

    Laugh about it, shout about it, still you’ve got to choose.
    Every way you look at it you lose.

  27. @BB753

    Yeah, and that’s just the audience!

  28. @Anon

    Teri Hatcher endorsed Andrew Yang recently:

    Well, if some sagging former TV actress says I should vote for Andrew Yang, then I guess I’d better look into this harder. Where can I sign up for her newsletter?

  29. nebulafox says:
    @Lot

    Trump’s going to pander to the Corporate Right regardless.

    And remember, folks: Economic Right and Cultural Left have all the natural incentives in the world to be buddies with each other. Their toxic alliance is a natural one. The more full-on economically populist a GOP insurgent is, the more politically popular he will be.

  30. nebulafox says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/930538-the-fairly-oddparents

    When people start comparing their fellow citizens to enemies in historical wars, it does not bode well for your country.

  31. Charon says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Canceling debts every so often is not a new concept, either. In ancient Israel, a “jubilee” occurred about every 50 years, and debts were forgiven.

    How do you think this might affect the general market for credit, in the years just preceding?

    What would be the implications for the larger economy? What does your financial literacy tell you to expect?

  32. Hail says: • Website
    @fnn

    Total number of foreign-born age 16+ resident in the US (per Bureau of Labor Statistics)
    – Jan 2014: 38.2 million
    – Jan 2015: 40.0
    – Jan 2016: 41.0
    – Jan 2017: 41.4
    – Jan 2018: 42.6
    – Jan 2019: 42.9
    – Dec 2019: 42.4

    (The monthly BLS survey does not include illegals; add up to 20 million to each of these figures to include adult illegals.)

    On the metric “total number of foreign-born,” the first three Trump years are equal to the last year of Obama. In other words, the slow-down, whatever the causes, began before Trump took office.

    DJT: +333k/year, first three years;
    BHO: +400k/2016.

    Meanwhile, (1) 2020 will be the fifth straight year the US white population has shrunk in absolute terms. Emergency measures are needed, of the kind the con-man campaigned on but has taken little-to-no action on; (2) up to 375,000 babies being born in the US per year are born to illegals (“anchor babies”), and Tweetman has taken no action on the birthright citizenship problem, among many other things.

    Foreigners obtaining permanent residency in the US:

    • Thanks: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @(((Owen)))
    , @Reg Cæsar
  33. Russ says:
    @Anon

    Were Yang to assert that Teri Hatcher’s best “acting” work was her topless work, I’d vote for Yang.

  34. Is #DemPrimariesSoWhite trending yet?

  35. Charon says:
    @fnn

    Cato Institute’s experts are about as strong with their politics as they are with their grammar.

    ______________________

    About the Left’s plan to treat everyone they don’t like as slaves, or worse? Color me surprised. The next decade will be Interesting Times indeed.

  36. The only news media that I follow regular is the Economist. And I have only read the last issue and the one from a month ago lately so I am not that regular with that. A month ago they were all-but-endorsing Elizabeth Warren. They said Bernie will not happen. The implication was the Powers_that_Be would never allow it. Then in the last issue they informed me of something that I found surprising but probably everybody else has heard this already. Three things happened in direct causal chain when the Iranian general got whacked.

    1. Trump was bitching about Iran on twitter
    2. The Iranian head hoodlum replied to him on twitter “you can’t do anything”
    3. Boom went the drone missile on the Iranian second hoodlum

    They did not say this exactly but they directly implied with the way they wrote it that if the Iranians hadn’t dared Trump it would not have happened.

    Please do not taunt the Donald on twitter. It’s like that book about how you don’t want to make the male teenager black gangsters angry.

    • Replies: @Hail
  37. @S. Anonyia

    You are way, way off track here. The 50-year Jubilee deal was known in advance. Do you see the difference that makes? Borrowers and lenders could act prudently, knowing the rules of the game. Just canceling student debt is a tremendous moral hazard. Any hard-working, thrifty college student (not to mention those who wisely – they thought – forwent college), will be loath to play by the rules anymore in this lifetime.

    Secondly, the universities have of course been implicit in raising tuition sky-high, knowing how much students could borrow. Students could only borrow so much because the US Feral Gov’t, in more of its infinite wisdom and generosity, has been backing those loans. There’s no reason for a loan officer to turn down $40,000 worth of loans to that 5-year art history student, as he would have before the guarantees.

    The guaranteeing of the loans must be stopped. That’s job # 1 – stop digging! Job 2 is to nix that law that prevents these loans from being discharged in bankruptcy, but bankruptcy ought to start meaning something (you can’t borrow again? Good, you’ll be a better man for it!). Let the hole slowly fill in, but don’t sweat it, as one thing you got right is that this is fairly minor compared to the $23,000,000,000,000 national debt and the 5-10 X as much in obligations that won’t be delivered.) It’s all going down anyway.

    It’s not the Feral government’s or your job to shut down any colleges, Anonyia. State governments that support them, based on the old notion of these institutions of higher learning being of benefit to their states, can go tell them to go piss up a rope.

    I think this promise by Warren won’t happen if she gets elected. She comes across to me as an Indian giver.

    .

    OMG, so sorry, that was very politically incorrect of me! Warren comes off as a Native American giver.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  38. This is the first debate I actually watched.

    All of these candidates are totally and completely insane.

    The “save the climate” comments should be grounds for confinement in a mental institution.

    They all want .gov to pay for everything for everybody–while complaining that the .gov debt is too high.

    I don’t know any real people who are this stupid.

    • Replies: @anon
  39. Peterike says:
    @istevefan

    “I suppose other people would add other conditions. But I would hate to just forgive the debt without getting anything in return.”

    I said a long time ago that Trump should forgive all student debt. The condition? That it marks the end of government student loans or aid of any kind.

    You’d have a few hundred colleges shutting their doors within a year. And more would follow. It would be an enormous boon to America in many ways. If he also revoked all Chinese student visas at the same time, the collapse would be epic.

  40. Lot says:
    @Hail

    Comparing Trump to just one year of Obama is cherry-picking.

    Last three years of Obama: +3.2 million.
    First three years of Trump: +1.0 million.

    And also there was still a little labor market slack in 2014-2015, and now we are in full boom/record low unemployment. Just keeping Obama policies in place would likely have seem a surge in migration as happened in the prior economic peak boom 2005-6.

    Regarding the second chart, it is grants of LPR. That’s a very backward looking or trailing indicator. Notice it dipped below a million only 5 years after the Great Recession started in 2008.

    The wonderful new public charge rule Stephen Miller spearheaded hopefully will start making a big dent in LPR numbers as soon as the Supreme Court unblocks the various injunctions, which could happen in a matter of a few weeks.

    • Replies: @Hail
  41. Russ says:

    In pandering to her audience on child care, Warren asserts the importance of paying the attendants/”teachers” well — especially since, she emphasizes, they are black and brown. Nothing to incentivize you to chuck your kids into child care quite like that.

    The highlight of this debate: NumbersUSA is running commercials for the EVerifyWorks.com web site. “Illegal immigrants” are getting explicit callouts.

  42. One of the funny things about Joe Biden is the way he keeps saying “Guess what?” in his speeches. Guess what–you know who else does that? Dennis Rodman.

  43. Russ says:

    Environmental expert Pete Booty Judge now bemoaning “literal tornados of fire” in Australia due to global warming. Steyer asserts that he’ll declare a climate emergency on Day One, and visit the black and brown communities (most affected) first.

    • Replies: @Jake Barnes
  44. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    Comparing Trump to just one year of Obama is cherry-picking.

    I’d think true cherrypicking would be using only a distant year like (e.g.) 2012 and comparing it to 2017–2019. Using 2016–2019 is simply a consecutive four-year period.

    What caused the foreign-born slowdown of 2016?

    Whatever is going on, it might be a long-term trend that started independent of Trump and has continued through 2019, going by the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ data. I don’t know what it could be.

    The BLS data is also of limited value specifically because it doesn’t include illegals (see [2] on p.11 of their report), a huge share of the total foreign-born, perhaps a full one-third. How many more/fewer are there in Jan. 2020 than in Jan. 2017? And the big, worrying x-factor is whether second-term Trump will pull the Amnesty trigger.

    VDare has a new post celebrating a “New, Improved Trump Effect” dating to Q4 2019:

    https://vdare.com/articles/national-data-december-data-shows-trump-triumph-on-immigrant-population-worker-displacement-but-will-he-throw-it-away

    • Replies: @Lot
  45. Lurker says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Mr. Tushnet said liberals should stop being so hesitant to advance their agenda through the judiciary

    They’ve been hesitant?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  46. @Achmed E. Newman

    For-profit colleges and joke colleges drive up the prices for real students at real universities. Lots of the more ridiculous debt figures belongs to these students (many of whom NEVER graduate and never get a return on their investment) so the overall increase in tuition/feew for all colleges is fueled not only by administrative bloat but by the entrance of these “colleges” into the higher ed market over the past couple of decades.

    Why not shut them down or at the least make it very difficult for them to operate? At the end of the day, they run quasi-scams that should not be tolerated in a civilized society, kind of like title loan companies.

    Moral hazard doesn’t really matter. I went to grad school instead of law school because of the fear of excessive student loan debt. I wouldn’t be the least resentful if it were forgiven.

    Don’t care about Warren, not going to vote for her just because she’s throwing a Hail Mary for her campaign out there with this student loan forgiveness proposal.

    My overall point is: why not? The market isn’t a god to be appeased, it can cope with fluctuations. Also it won’t be around in its current form forever, because of automation and other factors. There is no harm in trying something different for a change.

    Forgiveness of student loans might even (not claiming to be an expert here so if someone has a reasonable and not snarky rebuttal chime in) have less of an impact on the overall economy than the bank bailouts back in 2008.

    Let millennials have a better chance of buying homes and starting families. Stimulate some consumer spending.

    By the way, in case you’re wondering, I have a little student loan debt but it’s very manageable and almost paid off. I still have about 20k in the bank and a nice lifestyle.

  47. Hail says: • Website
    @Morton's toes

    It’s like that book about how you don’t want to make the male teenager black gangsters angry.

    Didn’t John Derbyshire get fired for writing that book?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @MBlanc46
  48. Russ says:

    Biden prattles about paying Iowa farmers to grow something to make their farms net-zero carbon emitters. Whatever my actual blood-alcohol content right now, it isn’t high enough.

  49. Black Agnes says: • Website

    Forgiving student loans, or a large chunk of them, will have other significant consequences, notably funding Obama’s legacy money-sink project, the ACA. The interest paid will be a lost government funding source: see quote below.

    According to the Congressional Budget Office, $8.7 billion of the money collected in student loan interest payments actually goes to pay for ObamaCare. The CBO estimates that the interest rate on these loans could be reduced from 6.8 percent to only 5.3 percent were the funds not used to subsidize the healthcare reform law and other federal programs.

    The profits from student loans are divided as follows: $8.7 billion goes to pay for ObamaCare; $10.3 billion goes to pay down the federal debt; and $36 billion goes to Pell Scholarship grants.

    The 16 million American students who now have student loans are paying for ObamaCare out of their meagre incomes just at the point when they graduate from college and need funds to start their lives, buy their first homes and begin a family.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/302247-loans-subsidize-obamacare

  50. Hail says: • Website

    “I grow tired of progressives playing the ‘I’m from conservative parts of the country’ card.” –Tim Carney

    In quick succession, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden all did this.

  51. @Lurker

    I guess he means they’ve been hesitant so far compared to what they have in mind for us.

  52. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    Pretty sure this refers to Colin Flaherty, author of among other books Don’t Make The Black Kids Angry. Derb was fired for a column noting that you cannot make the black kids angry if you aren’t relaxing near them.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  53. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Students who took out loans for real degrees in science got jobs after college and have laboriusly paid off their college debts.
    Students who took out loans for degrees in humanitarian basket-weaving are now un-employed or semi-employed by non-profits and hoplessly mired in debt.
    Leave the humanitarian basket-weavers to their life of debt peonage. Give them nothing.
    Make the universities co-signers of all these bad debts (retroactively) and sic the banks on the universities for payment.
    The universities lose, the banks lose, and the basket-weavers lose. What’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Reg Cæsar
  54. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justvisiting

    I don’t know any real people who are this stupid.

    Lucky you! I wish I didn’t. It is so much fun to have an earnest Boomer relative insisting that Medicare for All would work just great, because the British NHS is such a huge success, and it wouldn’t cost any more money because we’d save money from other medical expenses and Obamacare would work if the Rethuglicans would stop sabotaging the exchanges, and crystal healing is a valid medical cure and a good astrologer would have kept Kennedy safe and don’t you remember where you when JFK was shot because everyone else I know remembers…

    It’s tiresome.

    Postscript
    @Black Agnes
    Thanks for that link. I wondered where the student loan paper was going. No way that debt forgiveness thing can happen. It would crash the market.

  55. Warren seems to have a good heart, Buttigieg is obviously extremely intelligent, which could be a useful attribute for a president, and Sanders demonstrates maturity and confidence. I would be happy to perm any two from those three on a ticket. or even to add Tulsi Gabbard as a vice presidential candidate or Secretary of Defense.

    Biden has never been presidential material in the past, present, or future, and should step aside and retire with his family to the Ukraine.

    I am not sure who I would like as the Republican candidate, but anyone other than Trump or Pence would be considered based on what they have to offer and where they want to take the country.

    • LOL: Coemgen, Dissident
    • Replies: @Peterike
    , @Russ
  56. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hail

    I would imagine that Colin Flaherty’s “Don’t Make the Black Kids Angry” is the reference.

  57. Peterike says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Warren seems to have a good heart, Buttigieg is obviously extremely intelligent, which could be a useful attribute for a president, and Sanders demonstrates maturity and confidence.”

    Lol! Three strikes and you’re out.

    Ps – Steve please post on the Astros cheating. Or did I miss it?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  58. Hail says: • Website

    Post-debate drama:

    Warren refuses Bernie’s extended hand;

    Warren then starts scolding Bernie (audio off);

    Bernie, defensive, realizing the snub, appears to say, “What?!”, withdraws hand;

    Bernie talks back, makes open-handed gestures that appear threatening;

    Steyer steps in, blocks Bernie, leads him off.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Redneck farmer
  59. @anon

    If they don’t earn enough to pay off their loans, you, the taxpayer, will pick up the rest.

    The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 cuts the monthly payment under IBR by a third, from 15% of discretionary income to 10% of discretionary income, and accelerates the loan forgiveness from 25 years to 20 years.

  60. @Hail

    Buttigieg was crammed in with All Others

    Suddenly Randy Shilts leapt to mind.

  61. @istevefan

    My condition would be Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is amended to make college-degree-status presumptively illegal in hiring decisions (like race, sex, etc., are).

    If a degree is germane to the job, the employer can demonstrate it via the BFOQ exemption. If it’s not, then it’s long overdue for them to stop subsidizing universities by requiring it.

  62. @anon

    Students who took out loans for real degrees in science got jobs after college…

    Says who? Those jobs went to H-1Bs.

  63. CJ says:
    @Sergeant Prepper

    Crazy Bernie and Sleepy Joe aren’t Boomers. They’re too old.

  64. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “ What caused the foreign-born slowdown of 2016?”

    Data that bumpy likely is the result of small samples and other survey issues. Multiple years also smooths this out.

  65. Charon says:
    @Hail

    Did that really happen? [I didn’t watch.]

    If so, it’s more evidence that Warren is convinced that she has the upper hand and can slide right into the White House on it.

    Is she mistaken? We certainly don’t have to look far to find women who appreciate pandering. And that’s at least half the electorate right there.

    Bernie is clueless in some ways. Almost like a Sperg. Which of the two of them performed better in the debate proper?

    • Replies: @Hail
  66. @Sergeant Prepper

    Lately, it’s starting to look like Bernie, heart attack and all, just might be Last Man Standing

    In that case, the Last Man probably won’t remain standing for very long…

    Don’t count on it. Today is the 96th birthday of Georg Ratzinger, PA, elder brother of Pope Emeritus Benedict.

    With Benedict and Francis there, the density of living pontiffs in the Vatican City at the moment is twelve per square mile.

    Contemplate that, stats buffs!

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @jonhd
  67. @Russ

    Hope he chooses his Veep wisely, in that case

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    For real. Not a lot of students get “science” degrees compared to say, business, anyway. Also, liberal arts programs get attacked but those majors (rightfully) have been losing students for at least a decade. And not all science degrees are paths towards lucrative careers, either.

    That comment is either from someone who is well-off but did not attend college, or someone who has not been in college in 3 or more decades.

  69. MEH 0910 says:
    @istevefan

    I don’t recall hearing about that.

    Rod Dreher wrote a piece about it at the time:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-liberal-judicial-end-game-lenin-liberalism/

    You really have to read this post by Harvard Law professor Mark Tushnet, in which he advises his fellow legal liberals to take the gloves off and hit conservatives with bare-knuckle force.

  70. @notsaying

  71. Felix M says:

    Warren needs to be pressed for details on cancelling student debt. This is a complicated area, and people can’t make informed comment on the basis of her off the cuff comment.

    As someone asked, can the President do it on her own authority? Looks like a complex commercial/ legal point.

    Scrapping existing debts would be a massive inequity to people who have diligently paid off their student debts. Will Ms Warren include a compensatory mechanism?

    Where would this change leave present/ future students who have planned their studies on the assumption that they’d get a loan? Or does Ms Warren propose also abolishing all student fees?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @J.Ross
  72. @Hail

    Expect Whiskey to start posting Sanders 2020 all the time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Whiskey
  73. @notsaying

    Steyr is the Mitt Romney of 2020.

  74. Pericles says:
    @Peterike

    Ps – Steve please post on the Astros cheating. Or did I miss it?

    Here is the report: https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/mlb/cglrhmlrwwbkacty27l7.pdf

    Luhnow and Hinch fired; a fine; loss of four draft picks. A disappointing affair, overall. There were a couple of odd parts.

    First that team manager Hinch was passive-aggressively against it (e.g., twice damaging some sort of monitor) yet never spoke up. Why? The whole thing was apparently organized by mostly unnamed players, but Hinch and Luhnow took the fall. Still, Hinch, it’s kind of your job to rein the players in. I assume there must have been some more powerful force around who really wanted to cheat.

    Second, Carlos Beltran was the only player implicated by name and was apparently an enthusiastic participant. During that season, I remember him often being mentioned as perhaps being more of a formerly great player but such an incredible, veteran clubhouse presence, lol. Alex Cora seems to have been one of the key organizers and the whole affair faded when he left for Boston. (To return to Hinch, how can the bench coach overrule the team manager?)

    Some journalist-lawyer mentioned that while cheating is bad, it would be worse if the diversity of the MLB was harmed by taking out both latino managers.

    … At the same time, having both of MLB’s Spanish-speaking managers losing their jobs essentially simultaneously would be a disaster for the sport, and deservedly so.

    One worst-case scenario is that teams effectively use this scandal as a reason to not hire Latino managers, deepening MLB’s diversity crisis further. Even if Beltran retains his job, if both Cora and Hinch are replaced by white managers, the sport should face hard questions about its hiring practices for managerial positions.

    https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2020/1/14/21064876/sign-stealing-scandal-houston-astros-lunhow-hinch-suspended-manfred-mlb

    Because of course! But while Cora may be in big trouble, from what I have seen, MLB and the Mets seem to be willing to forgive and forget Beltran’s little lapse, so no worries.

    Third, it seems it didn’t even help much. Statistically it appears to have been a wash. And as we all recall, the Astros were furthermore better away than at home. In summary, a black stain with no real gain.

    https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/11/22/20977542/astros-sign-stealing-benefit-wins-advantage

    Finally, as a postscriptum, Brandon Taubman (a man of echoes, I presume) was singled out in the report for not genuflecting enough towards women journalists. That was kind of odd too. Well, except we all know it’s wrong and evil not to.

    Roberto Osuna abides.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Pericles
  75. @Reg Cæsar

    Almost.

    Chinese students took all the science jobs. H1-B visas took the programming jobs.

    I have a science PhD from a big name university. I was pretty much forced out of science because Bush I let all the Chinese students stay in the US and work.

    So I went to programming.

    I lost one job to an H1-B. I am probably making much less money now because of the wage suppression due to H1-Bs. The job I have requires command of the English language, which means the Asians have to be those who have been here a long time and learned business English.

    I don’t know what the solution to the student loan crisis is, but giving away the best jobs to foreigners is a huge part of the problem.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  76. @Pericles

    A.J. Hinch, who was born in Waverly, Iowa, grew up in Oklahoma, and attended Stanford, is not white? Who knew?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @kaganovitch
  77. @Felix M

    This is why her plan will probably never go through.

    There are a lot of people who would resent canceling debt.

    People who struggled to pay off their loans, but paid all or most.
    People who went to community college for two years then transferred to state U.
    Families that made a lot of sacrifices to keep their kids’ or grandkids’ student loans lower.

    And, Ms. Warren’s plans has some obvious flaws.

    What about a freshly minted MD, who is earning under $100k at a residency, but who will be earning much more once the residency is over? Do we wipe out the first $50k of debt? Is that fair to the new MD who just got her first job at over $100k?

    Biden did a lot to make the problem worse with changes to the bankruptcy laws.
    Obama did a little to help, but didn’t fix the worst parts— the high interest the government charges to fund ACA.
    Trump has made the problem worse by having De Vos protect the for-profit colleges, and by running Trump U.

    The student loan system needs to be reformed. Whether Ms. Warren’s plan is good or not, it would be extremely unpopular and easy to rig the system.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  78. @notsaying

    In Wisconsin we get as many Bloomberg as Steyer ads.

    Those are the ONLY political ads on the market here.

    Wisconsin primary is not for a while. The ads are a very expensive way to get national exposure to bring up the national poll numbers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  79. Pericles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Don’t waste a crisis, they say.

  80. So many missing the big picture here. Cost is not the central issue of college loans, controlling who gets in and who doesn’t is the real issue. And conservatives lost a long time ago.

  81. Jack D says:
    @Sergeant Prepper

    Don’t discount modern medical science. Dick Cheney has had a million heart attacks and he’s still alive. If I had to bet, I think Bernie is more likely to make it to 92 than 82.

    • Replies: @BB753
  82. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    They’re not expensive if you are a billionaire. Billionaires have no earthly way to spend all that money so running for President is as good a use as any. If Bloomberg is worth $57.5 billion when he dies instead of $58 billion, what difference does it make?

  83. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Making student loan debt non-dischargeable in bankruptcy makes a certain amount of sense in that newly minted graduates have low net worth but (for certain degrees at least) high earnings potential. This leads to the potential for abuse. You are a newly minted med school graduate with several hundred thousand in student loans. Declare bankruptcy now, wipe the slate clean and go on to enjoy your lucrative career that was made possible by the debt that you no longer have to repay. Keep the asset (the degree) but lose the liability.

    A possible reform would be to make the debt dischargeable but not until 10 years after graduation (and with certain income limits). At that point you should have some real assets if the degree had any value. You need to give the losers a 2nd chance without rewarding abusers.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @AnotherDad
  84. J.Ross says:
    @Felix M

    The reason to cancel student debt is to finally deal with our out of control indoctrination camps which have abandoned all pretense to preparing anyone for the labor market. Thus Warren, thoroughly on the side of the university, will do nothing, and will not even really plan anything. Were she to be elected (nope) and remember this campaign promise (extra nope) you’d get another version of the Obama non-act: you’re still in exactly the same position but maybe we’ll think about cutting off a few Cloud Cuckoo Bucks which would never gave been paid anyway. Not like our Chinese real estate collectors were going to let you own a house anyway.
    The tired boomer mumble that this has anything to do with personal responsibility can be neatly removed this way. Warren’s purpose isn’t reforming the university but enabling it. A good slam to the institutional head would not, dear boomers, allow people to [whiny boomer voice] immediately take out another irresponsible loan [/wbv], because it would essentially instill responsibility — in the banks, the only place where this is possible. Warren on the other hand is exactly what the inattentive boomer fears, a casino freebie to keep the addict on the floor.
    The goal cannot be “helping people.” The must be to correct an out of control and corrupt institution, which will lead to the helping of people.

  85. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Having heart transplants is cheating death if that’s what keeps Cheney alive. That’s how David Rockefeller made it past a hundred years. Only money can buy you nearly ten heart transplants when you’re a geezer, possibly from involuntary donors, if you get my drift.
    Not the best application of modern medicine, saving the lives of decrepit scoundrels.

  86. Romanian says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I agree with you, but it’s hilarious that Joe Stalin is thanking you!

  87. @Jack D

    A possible reform would be to make the debt dischargeable but not until 10 years after graduation (and with certain income limits). At that point you should have some real assets if the degree had any value. You need to give the losers a 2nd chance without rewarding abusers.

    This is an excellent idea. So good, that I have been mulling the same idea out in my head. So it must be smart. right? 🙂

    [MORE]

    Seriously, there are a lot of abuses in the student loan system. The entire system should be overhauled to eliminate as many of the abuses as possible. I wouldn’t mind some compensation for folks who have been screwed over by the system, in some cases elimination of their student debt. For victims of fraudulent schools, being able to discharge a student loan in BK immediately, or even just having the debt wiped out. For doctors and lawyers and such, at least a 10 year wait. I would also reverse the Biden cutbacks on Chapter 7 bankruptcy that helped crash our economy.

    I was a big fan of Lizzie Warren at first. I think an analogy you came up with, that she is like a doctor who is fantastic at finding the disease but horrible at the treatment, is correct. She can really find all the flaws in our economic system as well as anyone else in the country. But her solutions are sometimes worse than the disease. Another example — there are some abuses that stem from having private prison companies run the detention centers for border crossers. That creates some problems, Warren’s solutions of
    ( a ) emptying the detention centers and allowing everyone to live in the US
    ( b ) decriminalizing illegal border crossing
    ( c ) providing amnesty, including work permits and a “path to citizenship” for illegal aliens
    ( d ) abolishing ICE, and finally
    ( e ) using taxpayer money to tear down the existing border wall

    are insanity. Sort of like using AIDS to cure Herpes.

  88. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    If it is Joe or Pete, Trump may feel the need to pander to the corporate right with a “skilled worker” immigration bill like the giant h1b increase that’s being talked about.

    May feel the need? He is already doing it.

    Trump’s reelection might hold promise for some people – but not for anyone who wants to see a decrease in immigration.

    Trump is a fraud.

    • Replies: @A123
  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @notsaying

    Still he seems honest and smart enough to realize that we do have to cut back on immigration as soon as possible if we aren’t going to have enough jobs for ourselves.

    If he doesn’t say it, which he doesn’t, then he is not honest about it.

    • Replies: @notsaying
  90. Thea says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah waitresses and bricklayers will be paying taxes so Preston and Hilary can spend four years studying underwater basket weaving in between parties.

    Warren’s plan is the exact opposite of what socialism purports to stand for.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  91. @Hail

    Don’t get excited there. The Census numbers are usually quite wrong until the decennial census is run. Everything you’re seeing now is barely more than a guess.

    In fact, the US population seems to be growing rapidly and the number of foreign born is skyrocketing under Trump. Trump has added hundreds of thousands of effectively permanent TPS and asylum applicants that don’t show up in those numbers along with effectively permanent H-1B and OPT workers.

  92. Russ says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Buttigieg is obviously extremely intelligent

    Since Wilde: Aren’t they all?

  93. Jack D says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Whiskey is still waiting for Obama to refuse to leave the White House.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  94. @J.Ross

    Are Flaherty’s parents from Ireland? It is weird to see an American-born Colin older than me. Powell’s parents were from the Caribbean, so that makes sense. (And he pronounces it wrong, a case of Shithead-in-reverse.) Colin was the #452 boy’s name the year he was born.

    I have a second cousin named Colin born in 1968. It seemed rare then, even edgy. A few years later, some future college classmates’ common cousin was born in Indiana and named Emma. They were horrified– it was such an old lady’s name here.

    According to the SSA, Colin’s been in the top 1000 since 1932, with an unusual spike during WWII. What was that about? British war heroes in the news? Children born in exile? No, babies weren’t entered into the system until recently. Selective immigration?

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Even rarer in America has been Alistair, which has never been in the top 1000. However, that one’s figures are certainly depressed by the numerous spellings, which are counted separately. Nigel, Neville, Clive, and Graeme are just as rare.

    Simon is strangely unpopular for a Biblical name. Perhaps it’s too attached in our minds to the chipmunk (named for a studio hand) and the mad scientist.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. @Hail

    In other words, the slow-down, whatever the causes, began before Trump took office.

    The housing bust probably had more to do with this than conscious policy choices. Those leaving foreclosed properties would have taken up a lot of the affordable apartment stock. The bad news also encouraged migrants to delay their journey here.

  96. @notsaying

    “Warren pledges to take action to cancel student debt on ‘day one’ if elected president”

    I think Warren and the crowd of whiners and weenies around her wildly overestimates the appeal of college debt cancellation.

    To all these “my terrible, terrible debt; no one told me i’d be in debt when i took out this loan…” whiners this sounds wonderful.

    But to most people earning a living–including millions of middle and working class people who did not go to college, or worked to get through college–this is an insult. A giveway to irresponsible babies you’d rather punch in the face, than have their paws in your wallet.

    ~~~

    It’s overused, but i’m really beginning to believe “there are two kinds of people …”

    — the kind that live within their means and pay their debts

    and

    — those that don’t.

    The first create civilization. The 2nd should not be allowed to vote–or ideally to breed.

  97. Pericles says:
    @Pericles

    Btw, I see that Alex Cora got the boot earlier today (“It was mutual”).

  98. @Anon

    (Much) more importantly, Dave Chapelle.

    If something happens to Biden a lot of Blacks will go to Yang.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  99. @Jack D

    Jack, this is a very good comment. Both the reason for non-dischargeability–which i thought was obvious–the person keeps the “asset”–and a reform.

    However, the underlying assumption here is that we need to keep the current, ridiculously expensive, college system afloat, and ergo this massive financial crank turning to “educate” these students actually has societal value.

    Neither is true.

    For a lot of students this is simply not the case. Their “college education”:

    — did not actually make them “educated” people–knowledgeable about the world, the roots and history of their civilization, their culture (nor anyone elses)

    — was larded up with minoritarian pap; lies about people and culture; essentially anti-education

    — did not teach them useful career skills.

    A much better path is to energize on-line/self learning by having “certification” exams across a whole range of basic skills–literacy, numeracy–at a whole range of levels, and also specific knowledge areas (i.e. college majors, but also non-college areas).

    Have the US government ignore degrees and only hire off these certifications, and let employers figure it out.

    Colleges can offer the service of intensively preparing students for these certifications, or do their own thing. But they are off the public dime. If colleges want to offer loans … they can pay for those loans … and suffer the consequences if their students are deadbeats. The system will shrink–as it should. And much cheaper on-line and self-directed learning will bloom.

    Whacking at all the b.s. in the system–the degree as half-assed proxy for IQ or learning, the free riding, the subsidies, the bureaucracies, the parasites–and exposing it to the bright light of competition is goodness.

    • Agree: Lot, Charon
    • Replies: @anon
  100. @AnotherDad

    Yeah, transparent play for nom, not general.

  101. anon[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    A much better path is to energize on-line/self learning by having “certification” exams across a whole range of basic skills–literacy, numeracy–at a whole range of levels, and also specific knowledge areas (i.e. college majors, but also non-college areas).

    What about the inevitable “gap” in passing those tests?

    Have the US government ignore degrees and only hire off these certifications, and let employers figure it out.

    Uh, no.

    You’d have to overturn Griggs to really make that work. Because that’s the USSC decision that set up “muh college degree!” as the ticket. Good luck.

    Most people in the US still do not go to a 4 year college. Most people are not college graduates. Most people don’t need a $100,000 degree in Italian from Columbia University, either. But enough people have been persuaded that all they need do is walk around on University Magic Dirt and they, too, will become [something good] with minimal effort.

    “Minimal effort” is a big problem. Ask anyone who teaches at any level anywhere.

    Online works for motivated people of above average intelligence. Most people are not motivated. Online also has issues with certification. In fact certification / accreditation is the bottleneck for most alternative learning modalities.

    Ultimately the same problem shows up time and again, “the gap”. As long as societal leaders cling to the blank slate, “the gap’ will remain a mystery they cannot fathom, and so we’ll get more variations on old themes.

  102. @Reg Cæsar

    H-1Bs to the right, Beckys snaking affirmative action to the left.

    What’s a man to do?

  103. BB753 says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    So what does he have in mind for conservatives: ostracism and joblessness, then slow death via opiate and alcohol abuse, labor camps, or extermination?

  104. @Hail

    Just goes to show that data without context can be misleading. Both combinations are highly ridiculous.
    What would Yang contribute to the Biden ticket? Which demographic does he deliver that Biden the nominee couldn’t already rely on? Can you imagine what Trump does with those two?
    Klobuchar would actually immediately decrease Bernie’s chances: she hates Bernie, and, more importantly, the Bernie bros hate her with a vengeance. Klobuchar represents voters who chose Hillary over Trump, so Bernie can probably count on their dislike of the President, anyway, and doesn’t need what she has.

    Biden / Klobuchar (or Biden with a minority woman)
    Sanders / Warren? (Sanders / Gabbard would be the only plausible threat for Trump)

  105. All student loan debt must be extinguished and legally terminated immediately — private and public.

    All student loan debt ever paid must be repaid to the loanee plus 6 percent interest per year of debt initial payments.

    All university and college endowments must be taxed at a rate not less than 94 percent on all assets. All assets under management of the university and college investment funds must be liquidated and the said assets must be made available to an entity controlled by this writer to purchase at a markedly reduced price.

    All beautiful Black lady students at historically Black colleges and universities must be repaid any and all money they ever paid back for student loans. All Black lady students shall get back ten percent per year on top of all money ever paid into said student loan debt millstone burden. Many of these beautiful Black ladies might think that only a crazy ass cracker would push such a student loan refund proposal, and they might be right.

    All Ivy League universities and colleges shall be financially liquidated and the only assets they’ll get to keep are their buildings. You people would scream if you saw all the assets the Harvard Hedge Fund has. Liquidate the Harvard Hedge Fund Now. That’s a suggested slogan and not the only possible slogan.

    All universities that ran or currently run the West Coast Offense shall be financially liquidated just the same as those Harvard snots. One on the East Coast and one on the West Coast, got to be fair folks.

    Now for one in the middle. Notre Dame is in that state that nobody can remember except for that baby boomer crooner with the full head of hair who was involved in some celebrity nonsense. Many people are not convinced that Indiana is actually real. Notre Dame must be financially liquidated and the Vatican City crowd must be forced to come up with 50 billion dollars to pay for the nonsense from the Traditional Catholics in the USA.

    Cherry on top time:

    There shall be 3 small increases in the federal funds rate to prepare for the removal of the ruling class of the American Empire. The first measly increase will be to the normal level for the federal funds rate of 6 percent. The second interest rate increase shall be to 10 percent. The third and last federal funds rate increase will be to 20 percent like it was in 1981 when the Los Angeles Dodgers beat the New York Yankees in the World Series.

  106. Muggles says:

    I briefly dipped into the “debate” and saw bits of that horror show. Each candidate was describing how they would steal more assets from anyone who had them. And lovingly explain why State run nurseries would somehow magically benefit “the children.”

    Oh, and the economy would boom since all of those otherwise useless “mothers” would be available for the job boom that occur once the billions were “redistributed” to the correct people.

    But I thought “separating children from their parents” was the biggest sin in Trumpworld, especially all of those illegal “migrants.” But now we are supposed to applaud and cheer when Liz “Liar” Warren offers State run nurseries so mama can do IT coding or retail sales. Or whatever high level jobs new moms can do. See, children of citizens don’t get the soft treatment of migrant kiddies.

    The only math shown in my brief debate snippets was how many billions must be looted from the “rich” to fund Liar Lizzy’s numerous Plans and Schemes. She sounded like Rosa Luxemburg at the Third Party Congress explaining how the Kulaks would be handled. “Please, no tears for them!” Warren rasped angrily.

    • Replies: @Charon
  107. A123 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Trump’s reelection might hold promise for some people – but not for anyone who wants to see a decrease in immigration.

    Trump is a fraud.

    Trump is a President, not an Emperor. Working within that limitation makes him practical, not a fraud.

    To keep the Judge and Cabinet appointments moving, he has to keep Republican Senators onboard. Some of the selections are compromises, not his first choice for the positions.

    To improve blue collar wages and employment, he gave top bill to huge trade reform, China and USMCA. To obtain the necessary support for those priorities, he had to let other things slide. Regrettably H1B/OPT was left on the back burner to get those done. Hopefully Trump will be able to prioritize visa reductions in his 2nd term.

    Trump should get 2 or 3 more SC nominations in his 2nd term, opening the door to real improvements. Fixing immigration means placing enough Justices to correctly interpret the XIV Amendment, eliminating ‘birth right citizenship’.

    Things are moving in the right direction. I counsel watchful patience.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  108. Bolton in Qatar today:

    • LOL: Lot
  109. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jack D

    I’m half right. He launched an FBI coup to remove Trump. You might have heard about it.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  110. @Desiderius

    If something happens to Biden a lot of Blacks will go to Yang.

    There is zero chance of that. If Biden died tomorrow, Yang would get less than 10,000 votes nationally.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  111. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Redneck farmer

    No I have no idea if Sanders will even get the nomination. I have ample evidence based on James OKeefe what he and his campaign want to do if President.

    This has been the dream of true believers forever.

    A lot has to do with Bidens performance in SC. Obama endorsing someone, like Warren. Big money flows against masses of true believers. If Warren can leverage White Women and their endless grievances against White men or Berni appeal to would be new commissar with the power of life and death not would you like room for cream in your mocha. And if there is a brokered convention Hillary takes over.

    Epstein didn’t kill himself

  112. @AnotherDad

    “A giveway to irresponsible babies you’d rather punch in the face”

    But … I don’t know what the situation is in the States, but in the UK it’s like this

    The teachers are all keen on getting as many kids into uni as possible – they think it reflects well on them.

    The universities send personable young recruiters to schools, who tell the kids (and their parents) that they will earn hundreds of thousands more over their lifetime if they have a degree. What they don’t say is that those figures are necessarily based on the lifetime earnings of people who went to uni forty years back, when a much smaller percentage went. They also don’t mention (and probably don’t know themselves) that the uni cohort almost by definition is cleverer than the non-uni cohort, and will earn more even were universities abolished or wiped out tomorrow.

    Back at home in their bedrooms, the kids flip through the book-sized brochures the unis hand out – and alongside the stuff about the course, uni life is presented as party party time the minute the books are away. There’s also the standard “you’ll make friends who’ll be friends all your life*” bit, which is often true but by no means guaranteed (I still have a group of university friends though I didn’t go, I had a room in a student house and lived a student life while working 8 hours a day. Recommended.).

    These kids are mostly 16 or 17 when they’re asked to take a decision which will result in around £60k of debt for a three year course, and the schools and unis essentially present a false prospectus to them.

    Now if I was selling financial products to 17 year olds on a false prospectus, I’d run the risk of ending up in the papers, in court and even in jail. No such fears for the uni boosters.

    So have a little sympathy for the kids.

    * and when the end of the first term nears, you’ve made no close friends or even a group to hang out with, and everyone else seems to be having a great time…

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zmjq7x/how-more-than-12-students-at-one-university-ended-up-dead-by-suicide

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Reg Cæsar
  113. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    According to the SSA, Colin’s been in the top 1000 since 1932, with an unusual spike during WWII. What was that about? British war heroes in the news? Children born in exile? No, babies weren’t entered into the system until recently. Selective immigration?

    The first media-promoted US war hero (posthumous) in the dark days immediately after Pearl Harbor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kelly
    Hailed as having sunk an IJN battleship, but actually didn’t.

  114. I was in a waiting room for over 3 hours with CNN blasting in the background. This debate was a farce. With andrew yang out of the way, I am 100% sure trump will be reelected.

    • Replies: @anon
  115. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I was in a waiting room for over 3 hours with CNN blasting in the background.

    What crime did you commit? This surely is a violation of the 8th Amendment!

  116. notsaying says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You are right of course.

    But if he said today we should start cutting back on immigration now due to great numbers of permanent job cuts in the near future, he wouldn’t be a viable Democratic candidate.

    He seems willing to face the facts and act on them — that’s what I like about him — but he wants to be a politician and has to get elected. My assumption is that he will speak up once the job cuts start happening. God knows I expect many Democrats will resist decreasing immigration for many years after it’s clear that millions of jobs are gone and won’t be replaced. I can only hope I’m wrong about that.

  117. J.Ross says:

    Two things from establishment propaganda radio:
    Impeachment proceedings were again broadcast as live, whole, and raw as a Rappahannock, interrupted only by a comically over-serious anchor briefly explaining things as if in church. We are not even the Soviet Union; we are commie-occupied Romanians pretending to be awed by Ceausescu’s pseudo-brilliant wife making a speech about garden snails.
    There’s an indie/acoustic type song in which a nominal lefty bemoans the lack of a present day Walter Cronkite. That’s as interesting a tell about these nominal lefties as that bit about Bernie, working class wanting to be, getting MeToo’ed by pronoun-counters. A real lefty (such as myself, when I was younger) would be disgusted by a sentiment like that. Walter Cronkite represents mass media bottlenecking: his credibility was forced by ignorance and lack of alternatives. There’s a cultural immutability or HBD angle too. There’s plenty of censorious mass media bottlenecking now but none of it is adding up to a properly dressed non-fey white male who gives some minimal token cues for trustworthiness (witness Fredo).

    • Replies: @anon
  118. Lot says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “ will result in around £60k of debt for a three year course”

    Wow! Didn’t know you all had hit US levels.

    Here graduate school can easily be 80k-90k in debt per year, but undergrad loans are capped and most students go to cheap community or state colleges for undergraduate, and many private schools offer large discounts off their $40,000 or whatever “list price.”

    Last time I looked average student debt of people with 4 year degrees is about 23k, though this includes those with family funding all of their tuition.

  119. @kaganovitch

    We’ll see. Black folk ain’t voting for another rich white lady or a pissant little fag, I’ll guarantee you that. Haven’t shown much love for Bernie Bros either.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  120. @Hail

    If a male or “male” gets the nomination, the veep candidate will be the fat black DMV lady from Georgia. If Pocahontas gets the nod to go on heap big warpath, she will pick Castro or Sweet Cory Booker.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @SteveRogers42
  121. Moses says:
    @S. Anonyia

    My idea is that current student loan debts should be forgiven, with the caveat that for-profit colleges will either be outlawed or highly regulated, endowments for all colleges will be reduced,

    “My idea is that current student should be forgiven…” lol nice passive voice there.

    Why not force colleges and universities to pay for student debt out of their billions in endowments? That makes much more sense.

    Even better if thousands of administration sinecures eliminated as a result.

    Colleges and unis created this mess. Let them feel the pain of fixing it.

  122. @AnotherDad

    Plenty of debtors made contributions to civilization.

    Abraham Lincoln, Walt Disney, Henry Ford, and Milton Hersey all declared bankruptcy at some point in their lives. That’s just Americans.

    Lots of famous academics, philosophers, nobles, artists, writers, etc were surely in debt at some point.

    This is just a silly, stodgy comment.

    If someone is theoretically able to earn enough money to “work their way through college” and pay for it outright then they really don’t need college all that much. Because that’s a substantial sum, even at State U’s. Research how much books and admin. fees are nowadays.

    What you are really saying is probably: A. you don’t think discharging debts is fair to all of the rich parents who paid for their kid’s schooling, or B. you haven’t been in college in a long time and haven’t the faintest clue what the true cost is relative to a few decades ago.

    • Replies: @Lot
  123. @Thea

    I’m not a fan of Warren, but….the overall sentiment of your comment is just wrong and based off hearsay/tropes.

    Waitresses and bricklayers aren’t paying much in taxes anyway. Whatever taxes they pay (even if the amount were raised) would never be enough to make up for some theoretical partial or full release of student debts. Don’t just look at their brackets…look into the EITC- people with low incomes get a ton of money back from the government, sometimes in full. Also, a lot of waitresses subsist off tips thus they aren’t really reporting their income accurately anyway, and thus aren’t affected by taxes. A lot of bricklayers are self-employed or work through contractors …again, you often find major misreporting of real income.

    Also, can we put to rest the strawman argument that liberal arts majors are in any way popular? The 2 most popular majors are business and nursing. Out of the top 5, only Psychology is useless. The others in the top 5 are biology and engineering. Granted, I think general business is pretty useless, but that’s a minority opinion among people who bring up “underwater basketweaving” like it’s still 1997.

    • Replies: @Thea
  124. Hail says: • Website
    @SteveRogers42

    Good bets, all else equal, but if the D-Teamers want to win back Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and a few others, wouldn’t the chances increase of them going another?

    Imagine immigration-restrictionist Jim Webb as D vice presidential nominee.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @No Jack london
    , @notsaying
  125. Charon says:
    @Muggles

    Liz is taking Bernie down thanks to Believe All Women.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html

    Do we know who’s telling the truth here? No, we don’t, but my money’s on Bernie. Perhaps he said something which Liz is deliberately misquoting or misconstruing.

    But Liz knows she can work this one. She has nothing to lose and the White House to gain. Turns out that Believe All Women is an open invitation to skullduggery. Who’d have guessed?

  126. anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Impeachment proceedings were again broadcast as live, whole, and raw as a Rappahannock, interrupted only by a comically over-serious anchor briefly explaining things as if in church.

    Pencil-necked Boomers and GenX who remember listening to parts of the Senate Watergate hearings back in the 70’s. Reliving their young years and LARPing as Woodward / Bernstein. Sad.

    There’s an indie/acoustic type song in which a nominal lefty bemoans the lack of a present day Walter Cronkite.

    Bwa-hhah-hah. They really, really, really want to be part of the Ministry of Truth and put the boot into everyone else’s head. It’s not even hidden or subtle anymore. They don’t even try to conceal it.

  127. @anon

    You’d have to overturn Griggs to really make that work. Because that’s the USSC decision that set up “muh college degree!” as the ticket. Good luck.

    Why do you assume it’s impossible that Griggs could be overturned? We just need Trump to appoint a few more Supreme Court justices.

  128. @Desiderius

    “Black folk ain’t voting for another rich white lady or a pissant little fag, I’ll guarantee you that.”

    Well that was savagely racist …and true. It’s an odd contradiction of the Black community that they seem to have a higher percentage of transgenders and are also more homophobic.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  129. @YetAnotherAnon

    But … I don’t know what the situation is in the States, but in the UK it’s like this

    In the US, just as you describe it– but in place sixty years ago. Brits and Euros love to view the States as backward as uncivilized, then go on to embrace the stupid ideas that make us so.

    Why do Parisians name boulevards after our worst presidents?

    • Replies: @Thea
  130. Mr. Anon says:
    @A123

    Trump is a President, not an Emperor. Working within that limitation makes him practical, not a fraud.

    To keep the Judge and Cabinet appointments moving, he has to keep Republican Senators onboard. Some of the selections are compromises, not his first choice for the positions.

    No, he’s a fraud. He has not worked very hard pushing his agenda – he let Congress set it for his first two years.

    Who knows about his judicial nominees? While they will certainly be better than those any democrat will pick, judges and justices are a pig-in-a-poke.

    His cabinet staffing has been awful. His best appointment – most closely in tune with the agenda he ran on – Jeff Sessions, Trump belittled, treated like dirt, and essentially fired. The balance of his cabinet picks were people who would have just as well found a home in a Bush administration, a Romney administration, or even a Clinton administration.

    • Agree: Hail
  131. @anon

    Most people don’t need a $100,000 degree in Italian from Columbia University, either.

    When Mario Pei ran the department, it would have been worth it!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Pei

    https://www.librarything.com/author/peimario

    In 1974, for example, the tuition at Columbia College was $3,370, or 20 percent more than the $2,785 basic price of a middle-size Chevrolet. This year’s students at Columbia paid $9,526 in tuition, 7 percent more than the $8,868 price of a comparable middle-size Chevrolet.

    NYT June 1, 1985

    $3,370 then is $17,475.95 today, per https://www.usinflationcalculator.com

    The undergraduate 2019-2020 estimated tuition & fees at Columbia University in the City of New York is $55,272.

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/190150/columbia-university-in-the-city-of-new-york/tuition/

    The MSRP of the 2020 “middle-sized” Malibu is $22,095

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  132. @Lot

    That’s 9k for tuition, 11k for ‘maintenance’ – student accommodation rents are pretty high, partly because all the students want to live near each other (party party again). It’s quite remarkable how Brits have gone in 50 years from “neither a borrower nor a lender be” to “live now, pay later”.

    And the interest rate (which kicks in at the end of your first term (semester) , is now inflation plus 3%, so soon we’ll be seeing 100k debts. Compound interest is a wonderful thing.

    It’s theoretically repaid via a 9% tax levied on all earnings over 21k – so adding a big extra burden through your 30s and 40s, just the time when you should be buying houses and raising children. But real house prices have risen 250% since 1997, while real earnings have actually fallen.

    Couple this with the depiction in UK advertising of all families being mixed-race.

    Demographic Warfare.

  133. duncsbaby says:
    @Anon

    I wonder what the Human Highlight Reel has planned for his $1000 a week?

  134. @Mr. Anon

    “His best appointment – most closely in tune with the agenda he ran on – Jeff Sessions, Trump belittled, treated like dirt, and essentially fired.”

    If it wasn’t for Jeff Sessions, there would be no impeachment going on now. Sessions knew beforehand that he was going to recuse himself and let the deep state run the show. You can credit incompetence or you can credit deceit and treachery but either way Sessions was a disaster.

    • Disagree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  135. Thea says:
    @S. Anonyia

    If that is the case, Then it’s even worse. The college grads are just enriching themselves off others hard work.

    The point is the general public, many of whom did not go to college, will pay for those who did. And we know colleges still offer fields with dubious marketability.

    If done in a true socialist system, the college graduates would be expected to “pay back” society in the form of productive and useful employment not just personal fulfillment and private wealth creation.

  136. Thea says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In Guatemala they named a boulevard “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  137. Thea says:
    @anon

    Brazil and France do keep race statistics in the way we do. If we followed suit, then the gap disappears.

  138. A123 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    His best appointment – most closely in tune with the agenda he ran on – Jeff Sessions,

    Jeff Sessions was THE WORST appointment Trump made.

    Sessions is a good man, a good Senator, and an abomination as Attorney General. If Sessions had shut down the idea of a Special Counsel instead of recusing himself, years of wasted effort would have been prevented.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  139. @Mr. Anon

    I’m sure things would be great if you were president, but you’re not, so what to do?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  140. @Lot

    Here’s the story of two intelligent young Brit grads and their career trajectory, not quite as advertised in the school talks.

    https://evolvepolitics.com/about-us/

    “After finishing University, Tom worked in numerous jobs to survive, including as a cleaning supervisor at Asda, and an Admin Assistant in the NHS. Despite 1000s of applications to numerous organisations around the country, and despite possessing tenacious ability in a wide range of skills, Tom was never handed a genuine opportunity to progress.

    Jess is an English graduate whose first love has always been teaching. Prior to co-founding Evolve, Jess also worked in numerous menial jobs, such as in McDonalds, Primark, and as a cleaner.

    After graduating from university, Jess briefly worked as a substitute teacher, and planned to go into teaching full time. However, it soon became clear that saving the £9,000 needed up front to study for her teaching PGCE would be impossible given our current low-wage, high cost society.”

    Did I say demographic warfare?

    Tom and Jess are partners in both business and life, and live in Cambridgeshire with their two cats.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @notsaying
    , @Art Deco
  141. Hail says: • Website
    @Charon

    Did that really happen? [I didn’t watch.]

    If so, it’s more evidence that Warren is convinced that she has the upper hand and can slide right into the White House on it.

    Video:

    Today we learn what Warren said:

    Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders shared a tense moment after Tuesday night’s Democratic debate. Warren shunned Sanders’ attempt to shake her hand, and they exchanged words that were inaudible on the broadcast. Then, Sanders turned and walked away.

    Now CNN, an organizer of the debate, has released the audio from their microphones.

    I think you called me a liar on national TV,” Warren says to Sanders in the recorded audio. During the televised portion of the debate, Sanders denied reports that he had said he didn’t believe a woman could win the presidential election.

    What?” Sanders replies.

    In my comment immediately after this occurred on the night of the debate, I called Sanders’ line (“What?!”) exactly right. The emotional tone of Warren’s I also called right, but not being a lip-reader couldn’t get the specifics.

    “I think you called me a liar on national TV,” Warren repeats.

    Sanders replies, “You know, let’s not do it right now. If you want to have that discussion, we’ll have that discussion.”

    At this point, Steyer walked between them, began to makes moves to physically block Sanders from his verbal assault against Elizabeth Warren, a helpless woman in need.

    “Anytime,” Warren replied. Sanders started to say, “You called me a …” and then turned and walked away from her.

  142. @Hail

    Jim Webb’s time was 2016 and he withdrew . After debàte he said ” I haven’t been surrou ded by this many communists since I was in Vietnam “.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Art Deco
  143. @Reg Cæsar

    A big chunk of this difference–the change in the ratio of Chevy to Columbia tuition–is special to the bloat in college bureaucracy.

    But a good chunk of this is that we continue to see decent productivity improvements in producing goods. But so-so productivity improvements for services. And essentially no productivity improvement for things like traditional education.

    You the student/buyer must pay the full cost of your slice of your professors’ time. Those costs have scaled up with living standards–boosted for places like Columbia by status and NYC cost of living. But there’s been no increase–and actually a decline–in productivity.

    Again, we are long overdue for tossing out the Fordist–get everyone together in this room–model of education. I can learn just as well–maybe better–by watching one of The Teaching Company’s “Great Courses” where i get one of the best people in the field lecturing–and doing it well or they reshoot. And, of course, that’s just the starting point for what on-line and computer driven education can do.

    Huge productivity improvements to be had. Hugely lower costs.

  144. notsaying says:
    @Hail

    Is Jim Webb really an “immigration restrictionist”? I have to doubt that, whatever he may have been 10 or 20 years ago.

    He’d never get a Vice Presidential nomination if he were. The official Democratic Party position is clearly for more immigration — lots more — not less. I am a Democrat and I am not happy with this but that’s the way it is.

    • Replies: @Hail
  145. notsaying says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I went over to your link. Jess had better take out some student loans and get her teaching certificate, since Tom has a chronic illness that is keeping him stuck inside the house.

    One of the few effective ways for the average person to survive in the new economy is to get a government job and cling to it. Whether that will work as they list a London address is anyone’s guess but it is better than depending on income earned from operating a website.

  146. Hail says: • Website
    @No Jack london

    I’m thinking his time might have been more like 2006. Or, in terms of presidential cycles, 2007–2008. If Obama The Anointed One had not been beamed down from the heavens and hoisted on us by the Tingle Up My Leg crowd…

    I think Webb would have offered the best of MAGA without the worst (Trump the Lazy and Erratic himself and his gang of hostile advisers; slogans not coming close to matching reality); would have actually gone — stuff — done.

    Webb was born in Feb. 1946; if the Biden and Bernie are both viable candidates in 2020 approaching age 80, Webb could still run in 2024 and not be above the age limit.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  147. Art Deco says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The unemployment rate in the UK is currently under 4%. The signaling function of a university degree is much devalued these days in Britain as north of 40% of each cohort are obtaining that credential, but that still puts them in the upper half of the young labor force in re their quantum of schooling. There’s something they’re not letting you know about what they’re trained in and where they’ve been applying.

  148. Hail says: • Website
    @notsaying

    Is Jim Webb really an “immigration restrictionist”?

    NumbersUSA gave him the second-best grade of any Democratic Senator during his tenure as US Senator; if compared to House Democrats, he’d be in the 97th or 98th percentile according to their scores.

    One of his worst sub-grades, though, was “Challenge Status Quo”: F.

  149. Art Deco says:
    @No Jack london

    It wasn’t. The Democratic electorate paid him (and O’Malley and Chafee) no mind. I’m not sure he could get elected in Virginia anymore. Bernie as an unannounced candidate was outpolling these three

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  150. @Thea

    In Guatemala they named a boulevard “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.”

    To get it paved, no doubt. Several African and Latin countries are quite friendly to Taiwan. We can only pretend to be.

    I would prefer “Jerusalem is the holiest city in the faith.” Following the model of “Islam is right about women.”

  151. @Hail

    Webb was born in Feb. 1946…

    Just what we need– a fourth president born that year. He could also be the fifth straight to lose the House for his party.

    Nobody born in the 1930s was elected president (Buchanan, Nader, Paul, are still available!), and it appears that nobody born in the 1950s will be either.

    Perhaps we should draft Steve. He could do the reverse of Trump– announce after walking up from the Western White Home Office.

    • Replies: @Lot
  152. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Nixon’s beachside Western White House was on the market recently for $57 million, though the lot had been broken up for other houses.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/amydobson/2019/07/17/richard-nixons-california-white-house-returns-to-market-for-57m-showcasing-how-to-price-one-of-a-kind-properties/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  153. Lot says:
    @S. Anonyia

    “ you don’t think discharging debts is fair to all of the rich parents who paid for their kid’s schooling”

    Is it fair to people who took on college debt and paid it all off early by working extra hours and driving the beater they got when they were 16 into the ground?

    How about those who turned down fancy private colleges that would have required a lot of debt in favor of cheap ones or low ranked ones that gave them scholarships?

    By the way, every single person I know who finished undergrad (mostly in the 2000-2010 period) with 50k or more in debt is a leftist.

  154. JMcG says:
    @Whiskey

    You make an excellent point.

  155. @Lot

    Nixon’s Western White House was a lot more palatial than Reagan’s 1600 sq ft Western White House.

  156. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ozymandias

    I don’t see how Sessions could do other than recuse himself. He campaigned for Trump. It isn’t his job to be Trump’s personal consiglieiri. Anyway, Trump already had one of those – Michael Cohen (another example of Trump’s impeccable character judgement).

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  157. Mr. Anon says:
    @A123

    Jeff Sessions was THE WORST appointment Trump made.

    Really? And which of them was a good one? Gary Cohn? “Mad Dog” Mattis? Mike Pompeo? Can you point to a single one of his other top appointments who has the slightest interest in implementing the actual agenda upon which Trump ran for office and won? Can you point to a single one who wouldn’t have been right at home in a McCain, Romney, or even Clinton administration?

  158. Mr. Anon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I know it’s a hard job, and that I couldn’t do it. But let’s stop pretending that Trump will do any of the things we wanted him to. When? In his second term? President’s second terms are usually spent embroiled in scandals, real of imagined. If Trump hasn’t delivered for us by now, he ain’t going to ever.

  159. @Mr. Anon

    “I don’t see how Sessions could do other than recuse himself. He campaigned for Trump.”

    Yes, and he clearly had no other choice than to hide that from Trump until it was too late for him to do anything about it.

  160. @SteveRogers42

    I don’t think they really want to win. If they wanted to put their best player on the field, they would back attractive, articulate, personable National Guard Major and woman of color Tulsi Gabbard.

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