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I complain a lot about how The Establishment increasingly views the world through Stalin’s framework of Who? Whom?, but here’s an example of the mainstream media obscuring the key questions of Who? Whom? until the 10th-11th paragraphs.

If you are very clever, you might figure out who was the criminal and who were the victims by combining clues in the 2nd and 5th paragraphs, but plenty of readers will get bored before realizing what really happened and intend take away the newspaper’s intended meaning: more murderous Trump Nazis ran over Peaceful Protesters.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Driver arrested on suspicion of attempted murder at Yorba Linda police brutality protest
By DEBORAH NETBURN STAFF WRITER
SEP. 26, 2020 10:09 PM UPDATED 3:28 PM

1. A woman was arrested Saturday on suspicion of attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon after driving her car into a crowd during a demonstration in Yorba Linda involving protesters against police brutality and counter-demonstrators, authorities said.

2. Tatiana Turner, 40, of Long Beach, was being held at the Orange County Jail Intake-Release Center in Santa Ana in lieu of $1 million bail, according to jail records. Investigators believe she was part of a group that planned the protest, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department said.

3. Two people were injured in the incident, according to Sgt. Dennis Breckner of the Sheriff’s Department.

4. One man suffered two broken legs and was hospitalized, and one woman suffered major and moderate injuries throughout her body, he said.

5. The original protest was advertised as a march against police brutality, social injustice and systemic racism, according to a flier posted on Instagram by the Urban Organizers Coalition.

6. It was scheduled for 2 p.m. Saturday outside the Yorba Linda Library on Imperial Boulevard.

7. A counter-demonstration held by Trump supporters was slated to start at the same time. The two groups faced off, with protesters on one side shouting “Black Lives Matter,” and their counterparts yelling “U.S.A.,” according to the Orange County Register.

8. The Sheriff’s Department received multiple reports of physical confrontations between the two groups, Breckner said. At least one person was pepper sprayed by a protester or counter-protester, the Sheriff’s Department said. Authorities also received reports that someone was displaying a firearm.

9. Breckner estimated that there were a total of 250 people from both sides.

10 Shortly before 3 p.m. video posted on social media shows a white car driving into a group of people, many of whom were waving Trump 2020 and American flags.

11. “The people in the crowd that were hit were in the Trump support group,” Breckner said.

Journalists used to write news stories where they crammed the Five Ws — Who, What, Where, When, and Why — into the first paragraph or even the first sentence.

But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Ommision.

 
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  1. The BLM folks should have known better than to march in Yorba Linda — home of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

  2. BenKenobi says:

    Journalists used to write news stories where they crammed the Five Ws — Who, What, Where, When, and Why — into the first paragraph or even the first sentence.

    But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.

    I remember how Hunter Thompson had a wild hair up his ass over Nixon — I wonder how he would feel now? Back in his day the hip counter-culture was Negro Chic. Where would the savage journey into the heart of the American dream lead him today?

  3. The BLM folks should have known better than to have marched in Yorba Linda — home to the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

  4. Judging by the pictures of the driver’s arrest, the “journos” may be misreporting the true (chromosomal-based) sex of the arrestee. First, race/ethnicity, e.g. “White Hispanic”, now sex. Eventually our MSM will get rid of invidious, speciest identification. Possible future NYT lede “Earlier today in Central Park animal bites animal.”

  5. usNthem says:

    Obfuscation only when POCs happen to be the perps, which is seemingly about 95% of the time. So Trump is right – all the news (or not) fit to print IS fake…

  6. Tetra says:

  7. Zpaladin says:

    I studied journalism in the 1980s and 1990s. Let me try to pen a head: “BLM organizer runs over pro-police counter protesters”
    Or “Angry BLM protester drives into crowd of Trump supporters”. But I guess burying the lede has become
    Much more of an art form these days.

  8. OT
    Mass/or/school shootings, which have been on hiatus since the start of the Coronapocalypse may be returning.

    club massacre leaves 11 dead

    Wait a minute…Mexico. Never mind.

    The owner of the bar had reported threats for refusing to pay 50 thousand pesos a month to the new criminal organization called “Gente de el Azul.”

    • Replies: @The True Nolan
  9. Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.

    Steve, that’s Six Os.

  10. So…Twitter has to ban BLM now?

  11. Barnard says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    That has been their intentional plan all summer. They want to bring to protests to areas where Trump voters live and make them uncomfortable. Most of the time they have been getting away with it and are able to intimidate people without any blowback.

  12. theMann says:

    So what combination of brazen lies, stupendous incompetence, and systematic plagiarism will cause a “Journalist” to lose his job? There really isn’t any standard, is there?

    “Journalism” as a profession does not exist to inform, does not have any standard of truthfulness, and is absolutely devoid of accountability for the facts. It exists solely for the purpose of brainwashing, and as such, the entire class of “Journalists” are a collections of Seditionists, engaged in a conspiracy to overthrow Constitutional Government, and replace it with a Police State. They have always functioned as such, in every Industrial Society, for at least 150 years.

    Every practitioner of the foul craft should be treated as what they are: hostis humani generis.

  13. Dr. X says:

    Drove her car into a crowd of political demonstrators, eh?

    Ya think she’ll get life plus 419 years like James Fields? Or probation?

    • Replies: @Beavertales
    , @SC Rebel
  14. This is a spot on takedown. Can’t any journalist write a straights account of an event anymore?

    • Replies: @polistra
  15. It took them 10 paragraphs to mention that the target was the pro-Trump crowd. No information is given prior to that and the article almost makes it sound like the antiwhite crowd was the target, since the bulk of the article focused on that specific protest

  16. But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.

    Opacity, too.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  17. @Gary in Gramercy

    The BLM folks should have known better than to march in Yorba Linda — home of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

    Yorba Linda = A bald irony.

  18. El Dato says:

    That’s where a market for AI lies: Analysing newsfeed and writing the correct lede for immediate, clear and transparent information.

    How about it, Google?

    Unfortunately, even AIs cannot grab info from the future, so “Police shoots slightly nervous unarmed person of color just wanting to go home” will stay uninformative until the real information comes in.

    video posted on social media shows a white car driving into a group of people

    “During questioning, the car said ‘My name is Christine – It’s in my nature’”

    Also, nobody died of fatness and a heart condition.

  19. Journalists used to write news stories where they crammed the Five Ws — Who, What, Where, When, and Why — into the first paragraph or even the first sentence.

    But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.

    Charles Dickens, The Circumlocution Office (from Little Dorrit)

    https://www.panarchy.org/dickens/circumlocution.html

  20. The writer, her editor, the copy editor and the headline writer are all complicit – along probably with a managing editor who encourages this fraud

  21. Semi-OT: Speaking of our criminal, dishonest media, it seems the NYT has managed to steal and publish Trump’s tax returns for the last 20 years. I haven’t read the article, but apparently the big scoop is either that he doesn’t make any money or that he makes a lot of money but “avoids” taxes.
    Either way, it’s just Orange Man Taxes Bad.

    Assange and Snowden have been indicted for publishing illegally obtained government documents. But somehow the NYT gets a pass for its own criminal conduct. I hope Trump wins solely so he can get Barr to prosecute Dean Banquet and maybe hold the entire NYT criminally liable under RICO.

    • Agree: El Dato, sayless
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anon
    , @Bill Jones
  22. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Deborah Netburn would have wrote a very lucid article if the white car wasnt driven by a fugly half-black land whale like Tatiana Turner breaking the legs of white people, but was instead a white car driven by a white man wearing a red maga cap into a brown crowd hitting and breaking a young black gal’s legs.
    The footage ( yes, it exists) would br seared into the American mind via repetition. T-shirts with the image, a catchphrase, etc.

    • Replies: @jsm
  23. turtle says:

    Yorba Linda is in eastern Orange County.
    WGAS what the L.A. Times has to say about this incident.
    You might try the Orange County Register,, or the Riverside Press-Enterprise.
    Here is the way the P-E reported this incident:
    https://www.pe.com/2020/09/27/sheriffs-official-driver-who-tore-through-crowd-could-have-completely-avoided-all-those-people/
    Bad enough.
    FWIW, L.A. Times cannot even get the name of the street correct.
    It is Imperial Highway, not “Imperial Boulevard.”
    Imperial Highway wends its way through OC & LA County and terminates near LAX, so no excuse is permissible for a publication which is based in El Segundo, CA, a town named after an oil refinery which is adjacent to LAX.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Segundo,_California

    The name was adopted in 1911 when Chevron built its second refinery, El Segundo, which is Spanish for “the Second”.

    Full disclosure:
    I live in Corona, CA, which is just across the county line from Yorba Linda, in western Riverside County.
    As a resident of Riverside County, I do not care what they say say, do, or think in L.A. County, or in the City of (Total) Los(s) Angeles, which is two counties away from where I live, here in SoCal.

  24. jb says:

    The name Tatiana sounds Russian, but the NYT was decent enough to give us a picture where, by looking closely, you can see she’s actually a light skinned Black! (Actually, without the name I’d think it was a guy. Another trans? Also, I wonder if she’s written any diaries…).

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  25. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    The thing that is so infuriating about this story is that it is masquerading as just another car vs. protesters story, of which there have been one or two a day during recent months. But this story is different in kind.

    Virtually all car vs. protesters stories have involved trolley-problem situations where a driver either inadvertently turns down a street where there are protesters or has the temerity to think that he has the right to use the freeway in 2020 and ends up encountering protesters. Drivers have to decide between an X percent chance of traumatic brain injury or death to themselves, or “hitting” or running over protesters, who then will have a Y percent chance of injury due to their own recklessness.

    Charging drivers with crimes in such situations is outrageous, and something needs to be done, legislatively and district-attorneytively to solve this. My guess is that things will take a turn for the better when eventually some prominent citizens are caught up in car vs. prootesters mobs. Maybe George Clooney will be dragged from a car and get his frontal lobe bashed in, and the next day de Blasio’s wife will mow down some protesters in a panic.

    The Los Angeles Time article is a completely different situation, the situation that all the trolley-problem encounters have been misrepresented as being but have not been: Someone deliblerately tried to mow down protesters. Even the Charlottesville event was not this, as I understand it. There a guy deliberately approached and perhaps tried to intimidate protesters, but found himself in deep water and panicked and hit the accellerator.

    • Replies: @jsm
    , @Gandydancer
  26. Steve,
    Your five O’s of journalistic practice left out Onanism…

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @mark green
  27. @Tetra

    I wish his first name had been Too. “Too Soon Shiong”

  28. black sea says:
    @BenKenobi

    Thomson had many memorable things to say about American politics, but nothing particularly insightful. I doubt that he really took much interest in the mundane grind of political administration, where the consequential decisions generally get made. He could, however, be quite amusing.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  29. Stalin’s framework of Who? Whom?

    Wasn’t that Lenin?

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  30. @BenKenobi

    HST and Nixon finally bonded over football trivia. I do wish Hunter was still alive, I’d like to hear his thoughts on 2020. But all we’d probably get is a mostly fictional story about some crazy night in the 80s with Trump, some exotic drug, and an endangered species.

  31. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I have zero respect for liars, stonewallers, and BS artists, so I’m delighted to see Trump humiliated and exposed as a fraud. If it’s fake news, let him show his returns and financial data, but of course he won’t because it is not fake news. I will still vote for him because the alternative is even worse.

  32. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Assange and Snowden have been indicted for publishing illegally obtained government documents

    .

    Assange and Snowden published U.S. Government Classified papers.

    Even then,

    Trump’s Tax returns are not that.

    • Replies: @Redman
  33. @BenKenobi

    Thompson knew about journalists first hand, and his insights are even more valid today:

    ” Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”
    ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

    Imagine being sharp enough to realize that, in an age of Lipmann, Cronkite, etc. that seems like a mythical Golden Age today.

  34. @Anon

    Dude, just because he paid little to no taxes doesn’t mean squat. The tax code is there to be gamed, and there are experts at gaming it who are employed for that purpose by those with substantial cash flows. I suspect that this is what lies behind the minimal tax payments.

    But suit yourself, so long as you retain that acute situational awareness about what time it is. I will vote for Trump again despite my reservations. Not that it will likely make any difference seeing as how I am a citizen of the blue state of New Jersey.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @sayless
    , @Redman
    , @Gandydancer
  35. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale hospitalized following reported suicide attempt

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/politics/brad-parscale-hospitalized/index.html

  36. 10 Shortly before 3 p.m. video posted on social media shows a white car driving into a group of people, many of whom were waving Trump 2020 and American flags.

    Well, at least they managed to squeeze in crucially important facts such as the car being white.

    (Vile as it is, it’s politically sound to note that something white is doing something bad.)

  37. @James O'Meara

    Hunter Thompson began his career as a smart, ballsy, adventurous wiseguy, but he rapidly degenerated into a cranky irritating blowhard. I personally watched him be a graceless, rude, egotistical asshole. The man pissed away what talent he had, and turned himself into an unfunny cartoon character.

    Gary Trudeau and PJ O’Rourke both did a much better Hunter Thompson than Hunter Thompson could do.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  38. Deborah Netburn is a features writer at the Los Angeles Times. She joined the paper in 2006 and has covered entertainment, home and garden, national news, technology and most recently, science.

    The science of optics.

  39. AnonAnon says:

    Video of the protest, @6:47 is when Turner gets in her car and runs over people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYaFGoY2V40

    Orange County has been the target of numerous protests, mostly over June/July and concentrated in the beach cities. Huntington Beach was heavily targeted early on but BLM was always met with a large counter protestor and police presence. The flyer for this one was posted in local Facebook “Buzz” city groups – Yorba Linda Buzz, Orange Buzz, Anaheim Hills Buzz last week alerting the locals this was coming and rallying counter protestors. The Press Enterprise article (they had a reporter @Brian_Rokos live tweeting so that was probably why their article was more balanced) mentions there have been prior protests on the corner of Imperial and Yorba Linda Boulevard before but I’ve only ever seen Trump supporters out on that corner and haven’t seen any significant BLM protests mentioned in the local Facebook groups. I was under the impression protests had largely died down in OC so to see this one pop up and in the quiet, wealthy bedroom community of Yorba Linda was a surprise. The flyer was rather provocative – photo here: https://twitter.com/agappe7/status/1309656281586655233?s=21) so it’s not surprising people got hurt.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
  40. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t understand Occlusion and Opposite-orientation in the current context. Can someone help me?

  41. BenKenobi says:
    @black sea

    I’ve brought this up before, but it bears repeating:

    HST’s “Wave Speech” sums up my general feels about 2016. I had never been more optimistic about anything in my life. The blue balls are unbearable.

    • Thanks: turtle
    • Replies: @black sea
    , @James O'Meara
  42. polistra says:
    @Kerryokwan

    Not if they want to keep their jobs.

    • LOL: BB753
  43. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:

    Typo alert
    “…and intend take away …”
    should be
    “ … and instead take away …”

  44. Ian Smith says:
    @BenKenobi

    For all his bluster and posturing, the substance of Thompson’s politics was knee-jerk liberalism. He’d be all for BLM and anti-fa, I suspect. He treated women like garbage, so he might be reluctant to back Me-Too.
    In the course of my lifetime, he went from being a slightly underrated writer to a massively overrated one. Have you tried reading anything he wrote after Nixon resigned?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  45. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Something tells me this hulking lesbian isn’t new to doing prison time…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Cortes
  46. @Ian Smith

    Basically, Hunter S. Thompson’s surviving oeuvre is his Hell’s Angels book, his Kentucky Derby article, and, of course, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. On the other hand, the last is funnier than anything by Tom Wolfe or maybe even Mark Twain, so it’s an American classic.

    When I type “American comic novels” into Google, I get Catch 22 and a whole bunch of English books, such as a half-dozen Bertie and Jeeves British novels. Whether Fear and Loathing is a novel is arguable, but the point is there isn’t that much competition. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is clearly one of the five funniest books in the history of American literature.

    • Agree: Ian Smith
  47. jsm says:
    @Anon

    Will Tats get the same 400 year sentence, for accelerating into Trump supporters standing in a parking lot, that they gave to James Fields, who crashed into Anti-fa blocking the street while fleeing other anti-fa bashing his car windows?

  48. @Anonymous

    She looks life if Babe Ruth were slightly black, female, and unhappy.

    • Agree: Travis
    • LOL: HammerJack
  49. Getaclue says:
    @BenKenobi

    Thompson destroyed himself with drugs and stupidity — his age appropriate ex-wife was responsible for proof reading all his stuff and had a big hand in his success from what I read in an objective article some years ago long before his death and long after he was relevant anymore — he was violent toward her and his behavior ended that marriage and seemingly his actual decent writing — after she was gone his writing was NEVER as good, mostly complete and nearly unintelligible crap. — I read she made the comment that what is “funny” and “edgy” in your 20’s grows old and childish if you keep doing it as you grow older and she couldn’t handle him anymore or his violence toward her– she didn’t slag him as an ex– she just wanted to get away from him as life with him was unlivable…

    — His writing was praised because it fell squarely inside Leftist politics. Tom Wolfe was a much better writer and not a violent childish drug addict but, since he often made fun of the hypocrisy of the Left, he was hated and vilified by them and never received the acclaim he deserved– the Left controls “Literary Criticism” of course and decides mostly who is and isn’t a “great” writer….– Thompson killed himself by a shot to the head and left his body for his son and new, younger, wife to find….A friend of mine from that scene out in Colorado said that Thompson had just become a joke many years before that…a caricature of a caricature…one word sums up his life finally. Sad.

    “Hunter Thompson and Sandra Dawn Thompson were married for almost 18 years. In that time, he wrote “Hells Angels” and “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”, which were considered his two greatest books. Sandra’s drug and alcohol habits led to several miscarriages; only one of her pregnancies produced a healthy baby, her now-grown son Juan. Eventually, the drugs sent Hunter into a depression that lasted for several years. The Thompsons fought a lot in that time, sometimes physically. Sandy took several beatings, and sometimes injured Hunter. When she told him she wanted a divorce, Hunter destroyed some of her possessions and burned the manuscripts she had been writing. Sandy called the sheriff, a family friend, who sent a deputy to her house to escort her into town. When the deputy asked Sandy if Hunter had any firearms in the house, she truthfully replied, “Yes, 22 of them, and every one is loaded”.”

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  50. jsm says:
    @Anon

    Poor James Fields was fleeing antifa bashing his car windows, turned down a street and crashed into a car stopped in the road because antifa was blocking it. He rear ended that car, which, domino effect, killed fat Heather Heyer.

    Fields was railroaded, because democrat Virginia governor wanted to score political points.

  51. nixxer says:

    This is starting to feel less and less like actual political protest per se and more like two groups of soccer “ultras” having hooligan brawls just for the sake of brawling.

  52. black sea says:
    @BenKenobi

    Yup, it’s a wonderful passage.

    “We Poets in our youth, begin in gladness; But thereof in the end come despondency and Madness.”

  53. Cortes says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s one well-padded LEO.

  54. there’s no contradiction here. the guiding rule is, whatever helps their agenda.

    if something happened and it’s not helpful for their agenda, then the event didn’t happen, or the actors identities remain unreported on.

    the entire operation remains who? whom? no violation of the who whom principle is occurring.

    this stuff is almost like physics or math. conservation of who whom. never divide by zero.

  55. @Dr. X

    “Ya think she’ll get life plus 419 years like James Fields?”

    Will Biden be asked to disavow BLM supporters, and will there be a bi-partisan Congressional denunciation of this ‘extremist attack’?

    Will Biden reference the incident and describe the “hate-filled faces of BLM supporters with veins bulging in their foreheads” and say how he’s going to ruthlessly declare war on them?

    Will there be a candle-lit shrine at the scene for the victims”?

    Will the media have forgotten this by Friday?

  56. SC Rebel says:
    @Dr. X

    Probation, if that. She may get a ticker tape parade.

    What a disgusting Godless country this has become.

  57. AndrewR says:

    The mainstream media are all legitimate military targets.

  58. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Just use the Thanks reaction you dumb boomer

    • LOL: Yngvar
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  59. @jb

    The name Tatiana sounds Russian, but the NYT was decent enough to give us a picture where, by looking closely, you can see she’s actually a light skinned Black!

    Her hair’s pretty frizzy, but I don’t think it’s obvious she has sub-Saharan ancestry.

  60. @Steve Sailer

    It’s clear from F&L, even if it isn’t a novel, that Thompson wanted to be the next Fitzgerald and write the Great American Novel. At some point he seems to have decided to settle for being rich (I assume, at least enough for travel and drugs) and famous as Crazy Uncle Duke. I suppose there are a lot of worst second acts in American literature.

    The two acts of F&L each climax with a “wave” speech (the other is about no light at the end of the tunnel, or dock, to preserve the Fitzgerald image), which are great, but would be insufferable at book length; they work because they contrast with the intensely funny chapters that precede each. Sort of like one of those defiant pre-Boomer memoirs about how cool and righteous we were in the 60s, man, until you kids messed things up. (Bill Ayers?)

    It’s like the whole comedians vs act-tors, “serious” movies vs. comedies, etc. Also why even act-tors want to be taken “seriously” for their poltiics. Thompson needed some “serious” novels to be taken seriously, like Twain; even if no one read them anymore, just the fun stuff.

    When I read the original RS articles, I don’t recall being particularly moved by the Wave speeches, but the rest was hysterically funny. Of course, I was 16, so I was an idiot.

  61. AnonAnon says:

    Some eye witness content from a local Facebook group:

    she literally drove her car to this crowded part of the parking lot with very clear intent to do what she did. The car was not in that area of the parking lot before she drove it there. She then got out, got into it physically with people, waved her stick in their faces, hit someone with it, got back in her car and drove it through the crowd. All within about a 3 minute time frame. She had already pepper sprayed at least 3 people who were not a threat to her.

    Cops were on a 3rd story building overlooking the incident: “the cops were on a 3rd story balcony right above us and saw the whole thing. The woman who ran over the people, which was pretty horrible to watch, she could have left out the north east side…it was open and a clear path.”

    The protestors were also literally bused in. There is a photo of the bus that brought them and took them home and is now part of the investigation.

  62. @Beavertales

    Will the media have forgotten this by Friday?

    You’re too generous.

  63. sayless says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Trump will have been audited by the IRS since forever, and no doubt had a squadron of good tax attorneys to comb through it all.

    Couldn’t care less about his taxes, bankruptcies, divorces, or mistresses.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
  64. Redman says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    I don’t much care about tax avoiders (evaders?), nor the faux criticism of people who suddenly are “shocked, shocked I tell ya” that there are wealthy people who game the tax system.

    Anyone not on the left who really cares about paying too much in taxes (compared to the rich) could have voted for Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012. Otherwise they should shut up.

    I first heard about the latest NYT Trump story on CNN this morning. A ditzy talking head was challenging Rick Santorum whether he thought that Trump not paying more in taxes was “immoral.” I so wanted her to be interviewing Ron Paul instead. Or better yet, someone who would tell her to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

  65. @Anon

    Even the Charlottesville event was not this, as I understand it. There a guy deliberately approached and perhaps tried to intimidate protesters, but found himself in deep water and panicked and hit the accellerator(sic).

    Fields accelerated from a full stop a block away into a crowd filling the street from wall to wall and dozens deep. He plowed through maybe 60′ of crowd and couldn’t anyway have stopped by the time the guy with the sign hit his rear bumper. Before there was anything to arguably “panic” him he was fully committed to ramming the crowd. If you watch the video showing him accelerating away from the up-street intersection this is obvious, and it is hard to credit that you haven’t seen that video. Your claim to “understand” differently is implausible.

    And contrary to the moron upthread who intimates Heyer died of fatness, she suffered a crushed chest and torn aorta from being hit full-on by Fields’ Dodge Challenger.

    I just listened to a John Derbyshire podcast where he inexcusably claims that Fields “indirectly” caused Heyer’s death, so this particular lie has some currency. But it’s self-discrediting.

    • Disagree: BenKenobi
  66. @TomSchmidt

    Stalin’s framework of Who? Whom?

    Wasn’t that Lenin?

    Good catch. https://infogalactic.com/info/Who,_whom%3F

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  67. This story was all over the /r/politics subreddit until it became clear who and whom were involved. Then all of a sudden the moderators came to their senses and realized that this had “nothing to do with current US politics” and the posts were removed. Not surprising since that subreddit is literally a Democrat party psy-op, but this was one of the more gratuitous examples of that.

  68. @JerseyJeffersonian

    I suspect that this is what lies behind the minimal tax payments.

    One of the “scandals” is that Trump got a $73M refund after Obama signed a law extending the deadline for claiming losses. My understanding is that he had to pay those taxes in order to get them refunded.

  69. drdon1972 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72 is pretty darned good. It was Thompson’s version of Theodore White’s The Making of the President 1960.

  70. Redman says:
    @Beavertales

    Exactly. Basically the equivalent of the James Fields situation in Charlottesville (sans obese woman having a heart attack) and the entire news cycle skips this one to focus instead on Trump’s leaked tax returns.

    MSM definitely has its priorities straight: Protect Biden by any means necessary.

    Charlottesville seems almost quaint at this point. The folks “protesting” now seem much better equipped than those halcyon days of 2017.

  71. @Steve Sailer

    “funnier than anything by Tom Wolfe”

    It’s a while since I read it, but I didn’t find the bit about keeping the mentally ill girl full of LSD in order to to use her body very funny – nor, indeed, the bit about driving alongside a car-load of ‘straights’ and shouting abuse at them for the pleasure of freaking them out.

  72. Redman says:
    @anon

    No they’re not. IMO they deserve more protection.

    Would you like someone to publish your personal documents? I’m not a politician, but I don’t think it matters under the law.

    A person’s personal papers and effects are constitutionally protected. It escapes me how Snowden or Assange’s revelations harmed any actual American citizens. If they did, I still haven’t heard about it. Edward and Julian should be heroes of the people, not criminals facing imprisonment by our corrupt and flailing government.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  73. Richard B says:
    @James O'Meara

    ” Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”

    And to think that these fuckoffs and misfits actually believe themselves to be “on the right side of history.”

    Talk about a false doorway to the backside of life.

  74. @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Gente de Azul”?

    I think that gang has a branch in New York.
    https://www.blueman.com/

  75. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    I have zero respect for liars, stonewallers, and BS artists, so I’m delighted to see Trump humiliated and exposed as a fraud. If it’s fake news, let him show his returns and financial data, but of course he won’t because it is not fake news. I will still vote for him because the alternative is even worse.

    No one is “obligated” to release their personal tax returns, and past presidents/candidates didn’t do so until I believe, Jimmy Carter did. No so long ago.

    No one other than the NYT staffers has been “humilated, exposed as a fraud, etc.” since once again they fail to cite any factual basis for their Trump tax claims. Also, no one needs to “prove” that assertions by anyone are “false” by supplying private documents which are their private business. You can prove to me you’re not cheating at poker by showing me every hole card you’re dealt. Right.

    Of course “Anon” may believe in ‘guilty until proven innocent’. I will apply his standard to his own motives. What Trump did or didn’t report on his taxes isn’t my concern or yours. The IRS is still auditing 2010 returns (so Trump says) with large losses which can be carried forward to future years. High income/wealth taxpayers like Trump get audited every year.

    If the NYT illegally obtained Trump’s private returns they are committing a federal crime. But they don’t say that, so either they don’t have them or are criminals who don’t admit their crime. They don’t specify what their tax claims are based upon, so we just “trust them.” Yeah, right.

    Real estate investments and LLC/partnership taxes are very complicated subjects. You can bet that if the IRS (under Obama/Biden since 2008-2016) thought anything was improper Trump would be sued or in court now. The Forbes list still has him as a billionaire plus.

    Of course believing every half baked story about Trump is a symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome. “Anon” here must only have a mild case if he’s still voting for Trump. Good for him.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  76. @anon

    I wonder what’s happened to the poor chap. Maybe he’s been got at or blackmailed.

    I wouldn’t put anything past ‘them’.

    No Parscale. No Bannon. No Ricky Vaughn. Instead, Javanka.

    Trump’s really trying to do this the hard way. But the Dem candidate is even weaker than Hillary, which hardly seems possible, and BLM thugs are doing their bit as they did in 2016. Say not the struggle naught availeth.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
    , @anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  77. SC Rebel says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yep. I think this election is going to have a low turnout, I really do.

    I don’t sense any real enthusiasm for either candidate. Yes Trump has the rallies, but I suspect more blue collar workers in the swing states are going to stay home in greater numbers this time. They rightfully feel like no one is addressing them and they aren’t.

    The Dems are busy with the anti-whitey rhetoric and Trump is too busy pandering to non whites that he has taken his base for granted.

    In a nation of over 300 million, you would think we could do better than the 2 candidates in the race, but here we are.

  78. SC Rebel says:
    @sayless

    I’ve said this a million times and I will say it again. To the people complaining about “loopholes”, change the laws if you don’t like it. Tax avoidance is legal. Are these geniuses trying to tell me the Hollywood millionaires or the Dems in Congress aren’t taking advantage of the “loopholes”? Of course they are. Any sane rational person that starts making a decent amount of money is going to avoid paying taxes as much as the law allows.

    Only a hypocrite would suggest otherwise.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  79. @anon

    Reported suicide attempt“?

    What horse-shit.

    The guy was alone in a house containing a bunch of guns, and he walked out unharmed at the end. He didn’t “attempt” shit.

    He might have said something to someone about how he was thinking about offing himself: it speaks volumes about US media that this becomes conflated with actually attempting to off himself.

    He wasted some publicly-funded resources, and the prick ought to be forced to pay for them out-of-pocket.

    Stupid cunts. (I am pleased that the TV show “The Boys” has normalised “bunch of cunts” as a collective noun for fuckwits).

  80. Corvinus says:

    “But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.”

    Which is what you routinely employ, so what’s the difference, Mr. Sailer? Stay cagey!

    • Troll: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  81. Corvinus says:
    @Muggles

    “No one is “obligated” to release their personal tax returns, and past presidents/candidates didn’t do so until I believe, Jimmy Carter did. No so long ago.”

    Between 1974 and 2016, every president but Gerald Ford made a voluntary release of the tax returns they filed while in office. This tradition of voluntary tax return disclosure ended in 2017, when Trump declined to release any personal tax information. The tradition of voluntary tax return disclosure began with a scandal–in 1973, journalists discovered information suggesting that President Nixon had taken large, hard-to-defend deductions on his individual tax returns.

    “What Trump did or didn’t report on his taxes isn’t my concern or yours.”

    It assuredly is our concern as the general public has the right to know if our president is a crook. Well, suffice to say, he is a crook, but I do not expect you to admit that hate fact.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @nebulafox
    , @Mr. Anon
  82. BenKenobi says:
    @AndrewR

    I gotta say buds, since you returned from your extended absence you are both extremely based and highly combative.

    Punished AndrewR, A Man Denied His Cat

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  83. BenKenobi says:
    @Getaclue

    the sheriff, a family friend

    This anecdote was conspicuously absent from this book, which was a posthumous compendium of stories about Hunter by the people who knew him best, including said sheriff. He still came off as quite an asshole in his autumn years.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1564532.The_Kitchen_Readings

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  84. Muggles says:
    @Corvinus

    It assuredly is our concern as the general public has the right to know if our president is a crook. Well, suffice to say, he is a crook, but I do not expect you to admit that hate fact.

    “Hate fact”?

    Making errors, mistakes, omissions, etc. on a tax return is rarely a criminal act, even in the eyes of the government. So thus makes one who does so “not” a crook. That is a non-hate fact.

    If the government can prove in court that you intentionally omitted material amounts of income or took false deductions, that can be a criminal act. Fairly rare, often used to go after those with criminal behavior but unproven, if they can prove omission of major taxable income.

    I am unaware of any prior or current criminal tax case against Trump. Since he gets a thorough audit annually, we would already know about that if there was.

    He may not be your cup of tea, but not a crook.

    “Traditions” for a presidential candidate are just that. They used to wear hats all the time, now they don’t, often.

  85. Gabe Ruth says:
    @BenKenobi

    It was just the drug thing. Same for PKD. Ironic, considering their fates.

  86. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Looks like alcohol + stress induced explosion.

    This bodycam video is sad, not sure why it had to be published:

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  87. AndrewR says:
    @BenKenobi

    Thanks but I doubt I’d make the Top 10 Most Abrasive Unz.com Commenters. My fat kitty cat helps calm me.

    • LOL: BenKenobi
  88. nebulafox says:
    @BenKenobi

    Thompson did say before he died he’d take Nixon over GWB any day of the week.

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
  89. nebulafox says:
    @Corvinus

    > Well, suffice to say, he is a crook, but I do not expect you to admit that hate fact.

    The Trump clan’s financial shadiness is common knowledge to anybody who has lived in NYC since the 1980s. His voters do not care. Nor do his enemies when, say, the discussion shifts to Jeff Bezos and his overseas money or Joe Biden’s cognitive health.

  90. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Between 1974 and 2016, every president but Gerald Ford made a voluntary release of the tax returns they filed while in office. This tradition of voluntary tax return disclosure ended in 2017, when Trump declined to release any personal tax information.

    No major party nominee turned down government funds for the general election from 1976, when the program was launched, until Barack Obama did so in 2008.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_in_the_United_States#Public_financing_of_presidential_campaigns

    Of course, Mr. Progressive Obama didn’t need any stinking federal government funds. Accepting them would have place caps on what he could spend, and he had all that sweet-sweet financial industry campaign money that any Wall Street stooge could ask for.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @JMcG
  91. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    “But nowadays, the Five Os are more highly valued: Obfuscation, Opinion, Obscurity, Occlusion, and Opposite-orientation.”

    Other than opinion, Steve offers none of those things.

    Your posts, on the other hand, offer the four D’s: Deflection, Dissembling, Deception, and Drivel.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @res
  92. Mr. Anon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Reportedly, Parscale was really one of the architects of Trump’s victory in 2016. His detailed data-mining – precinct-by-precinct targeting of likely Trump voters – made an enormous difference in key swing states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

    Promoted to campaign manager, Trump blamed him for the low turnout at the Tulsa rally, as if there was going to be a big turnout anyway, what with the ‘Rona and all. To say nothing of Trump’s lackluster performance in office and his taking his base for granted. Kushner seems to be in the drivers seat, both in the campaign and in the administration, and it shows.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  93. res says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Disingenuousness

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  94. @Gary in Gramercy

    Agree,
    It should have been held in Chicago – home of the Barry the Kenyan Presidential Library and Bath-house.

  95. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s important to note a distinction.

    Were they Trump’s documents or did they originate with the US Govt?

    From whom were they stolen- His accountants or the IRS?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  96. @Beavertales

    Forgotten by Friday? Heck!… they’re shoving it down the memory hole while we speak

  97. @Mr. Anon

    “Trump blamed him for the low turnout at the Tulsa rally”

    Wasn’t that down to an organised Dem campaign to book tickets and then not turn up, or am I misinformed?

    Now it’s true you’d expect to find tickets mostly going to existing (i.e. known) supporters, did someone prioritise “new voters” (i.e. Dem activists) over existing ones? Naive if so.

    In the UK, the left has been packing audiences at televised debates for decades, and during the Labour Party leadership elections, when you could join and vote for £3, an unknown number of Tories joined to help make Corbyn leader – which nearly blew up in their faces in 2017.

  98. @Bill Jones

    From whom were they stolen- His accountants or the IRS?

    I am sure it’s some Deep State mole at Treasury. It could be that the tax returns were originally stolen by the DNC, CIA, FBI or whoever, and then laundered through the NYT for a coordinated pre-debate hit job.

    If you or I stole Joe Biden’s tax returns and published them on the internet we’d be immediately investigated and prosecuted. But it’s understood the NYT is above the law because it’s so tied in with the powers that be. If the incident is ever investigated (and it won’t be), the NYT would simply obstruct justice by refusing to name its criminal co-conspirators. And they’d pat themselves on the back for their ethics in “protecting their source.”

    This is the same organization, remember, that routinely calls for the prosecution and impeachment of its political opponents (Trump, Flynn, Roger Stone, Scooter Libby, Papadopoulos, etc.) for phony “obstruction of justice” and process crimes.

    As you may have noticed, I am not a fan of the NYT.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  99. @Gandydancer

    I learned it from Steve originally.

  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @res

    Yes, you are right. Five D’s, then.

  101. kikz says:

    ran a cntrl +f on the entire pg…. only 3 instances of the term ‘parking lot’.. which is where this incident took place….IN A PARKING LOT.

    Trumpers were not blocking traffic in the street.

    i hope TestosteRoNeesha Sasquatch rots in jail.

  102. @SC Rebel

    Tax avoidance is perfectly legal, and rich people have much more leeway to arrange their financial affairs to avoid taxes than do us W2 people.

    Tax evasion is not paying what you owe, and is a crime. My friend the Federal judge said he always gave tax evaders some jail time because they were stealing from everybody.

  103. @Mr. Anon

    Of course, Mr. Progressive Obama didn’t need any stinking federal government funds.

    Plus Mr. Clean’s website was designed to not reject foreign donations which are illegal.

    BHO and his leftist minions are responsible for much of the current trouble.

  104. JMcG says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I believe his campaign also accepted credit card donations without bothering to verify they weren’t from foreign sources. Real straight arrow.

  105. @Gary in Gramercy

    I think she panic. She did pepper spray on one of the Trump supporters, Then freak out and ran to her car. One Trump person took a picture of the car and others threw some pole flags. So, I think the chick thought she was in danger, but since the pole flags didn’t hit her and she speeded up and ran over two Trump supporters she got book. The left of course is blaming the Trump supporters.

  106. @AnonAnon

    The fire arm was a guy on her side of the car after she ran over the Trump supporters before the Deputies got her. At first I thought she did it on purpose but more likely she panic.

  107. Also, the Caravan for Justice had several people with heavy shields similar to Antifa. So, they could have crack the heads of the Trump supporters even if one of the Trump supporters had a gun.

  108. Getaclue says:
    @BenKenobi

    My understanding is Thompson was a very serious Cocaine addict the majority of his life and was still seriously addicted at the end using it as a “wake up” from morning forward…there is no way this is a recipe for anything other than insanity, serious stupidity, life failure and, finally, suicide….

  109. Getaclue says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    NYSlimes — “hate YT Central24/7– All The Hate YT That’s Possible To Print” by the Sulzberger tribe….

  110. Getaclue says:
    @anon

    I don’t see why the Cop had to tackle him — the truth is they are way too violent — mostly against “white” people though…most have been trained by the Israelis to treat us like Palestinians — where the “knee” thing came from in the Floyd case….

  111. Libre says:
    @BenKenobi

    Hahahaha he left us far too early and he didn’t even know what was coming

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