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From the Los Angeles Times today:
Chicago police arrest two men in Jussie Smollett case and say attack was not a hoax
By NARDINE SAAD
FEB 15, 2019 | 9:00 AMChicago police say they have arrested two brothers in connection with the possible hate crime involving “Empire” star Jussie Smollett.
“Interrogations will resume today with the two individuals and their attorney,” department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement to The Times on Friday.
The men — who are only being identified as two Nigerian brothers — were initially being questioned as persons of interest in the attack and are now considered potential suspects, Guglielmi said. ….
Guglielmi again denied reports alleging that the attack was a hoax and reiterated that Smollett is being treated as a victim.
“While we haven’t found any video documenting the alleged attack, there is no evidence to say that this is a hoax,” Guglielmi said. “The alleged victim is being cooperative at this time and continues to be treated as a victim, not a suspect.”
Okay, I imagine what’s going on is that the cops are telling the two Nigerian bodybuilder pals of Smollett that Smollett swore out a criminal complaint, so if stay dummied up, then he’s telling the truth, so they are criminals. But … if they want to testify against Smollett that it was a hoax and they were just helping him out, well then Smollett is the criminal.
But when the media report this stuff with a straight face, it helps postpone the Day of Reckoning for the phenomenon of the Hate Hoax.
To be thorough: I’m trying to think through the possibilities that the Nigerians initiated a crime without Smollett’s awareness.
- Kidnapping? Nah, Smollett would recognize his acquaintances
- Mugging? Blacks celebrities wear a lot of jewelry so they often get targeted by hold-ups. But the bros were acquainted with Smollett, so it seems risky.
- Fake hate crime as friendly help for his career? This doesn’t sound too likely …
- They were mad at Jussie over something he did involving them …
But still, it was the night of the heavily advertised Polar Vortex. A lot of these things could wait. A preplanned Hate Hoax, however, is better on a night when nobody else is out on the street.
Of bleeks and blugs.
https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1096524834824208387
Just posted this previously, but Trump ought to play this straight and say this confirms why we need to control immigration. We cannot have people immigrating to America that commit hate crimes against vulnerable minorities like blacks and gays.
Let the media “fact checkers” have to pick one of two lines of arguement
1. Two African immigrants did indeed commit a hate crime against a gay, black man.
2. State this proves nothing about immigrants because it was staged.
There is no day of reckoning, even as more and more see this for what it is, because the media and institutions here related here exist for this kind of thing. This is like insisting that a Las Vegas casino stop making money. Maybe the customers individually wise up but the house doesn’t stop winning.
LOL.
I don’t recall, were the alleged attackers ever described as white or was it just the noose and reference to MAGA that made them white in my head. Maybe I’m doing it again by assuming the Nigerians are black. Perhaps the hunt for the great white Nigerian defendants has begun.
The White Nigerians likely were descendants of nasty Whites who were run out of Rhodesia (by NATO).
The libs are now saying it really was a hate crime because Nigerians are homophobic. Every Who-Whom down in Who-Whomville is fussing with the Who-Whomometer trying to figure out Who is to blame.
My money's on the shirtlifters.
What with Jussie, being mulatto and mild-featured, and the Nigerians, being very black and muscled, the whole thing looks like a black-on-white crime if it really was a crime.
Maybe Jussie misheard the attackers. They really shouted THIS IS WAKANDA COUNTRY.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-maga-mean-in-Nigerian
I like this definition, from a Nigerian:Seems right on target.
Another one:
I believe that Thomas Friedman said “the world is flat”, implying that they would be able to do this sort of thing in Nigeria for cheaper. Therefore I am confused why Nigerians need to come to Chicago to do it. Doesn’t that just add cost?
Why bring two Nigerians here, when Smollett can go to Nigeria for the hate hoax? That’s got to be cheaper.
https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/listen-and-watch-young-nigerian-lynched-burnt-for-snatching-a-bag-20180523
One happy result of media indulgence of these anti-white hate hoaxes is that it led so many blacks, Jews, and homos to get so lazy and ludicrous with their stunts in expectation of favorable media coverage(like the naval academy scandal where the idiot officer was even given an award for berating white kids for what they didn’t even do).
I mean it take some cockamamie arrogance to make up a story of maga-hat-wearing, ski-mask-wearing, ‘racist’ and ‘homophobic’ attackers in the uber-proggy part of Chicago at 2 am in the coldest part of the year. And they didn’t just insult and attack him but poured bleach on him and put a NOOSE around him. That’s not reality but something from Hollywood script. And just like Trayvon Martin, Jussie was on the phone while it happened. He might have just gotten away with it without the phone call biz, but what a dummy.
Think Ted Kennedy (Lion, etc.) and his two buddies at the Chappaquiddick Dike Bridge.
Why bring two Nigerians here, when Smollett can go to Nigeria for the hate hoax? That's got to be cheaper.
When it comes to real lynching, Nigeria is for pros. Hey, that’s why the West needs more black Africans. White folks won’t lynch anymore.
https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/listen-and-watch-young-nigerian-lynched-burnt-for-snatching-a-bag-20180523
This sounds right:
It will be fun to watch this play out. It feels like (some of?) the mass media is doubling down rather than just doing damage control. Which seems like a mistake.
How certain is it at this point this was a fake attack vs. something else gone wrong? How hard would it be to fake an attack without involving the Nigerian brothers at all?
Porn Star Nacho Vidal is gay, like all male porn stars, and, like many homosexuals, he refuses to participate in safety protocols that are promoted to porn industry outsiders as effective and universal, despite not being mandatory.
Somehow the guy having a lot of unprotected gay sex got AIDS.
Vladimir Putin was not available for comment but it’s entirely possible that Russian church tourists infected him with an exclusively Russian type of AIDS.
Porn filming has been suspended in Europe (this really means that filming licenses will not be granted and official studios will not be used) while governments catch up to realities that everybody outside unelected bureaucracy already knew.
This is related to the string of female porn star suicides, who may have been killing themselves because of news of infection after databases were leaked, and to the imposed suicide of Mercedes Grabowski, who was explaining the secret gay exemption from safety standards to a colleague when gay activists found her twitter thread, announced they would publicize it as homophobia, and commanded her to “take cyanide.”
Those of us who consumed popular media in the nineties will recall being yelled at every ten seconds about how important condoms are. The reason that happened is condoms were the gay community’s response to the idea that promiscuity and risky practices were the vector for AIDS. Public service messages about condoms were not about health, they were gays saying, “No, You!” And now it turns out they never wear the damn things anyway, and if you try to talk about it, they will threaten to end your career and tell you to kill yourself.
The Chicago police surely acted really professional and respectful when questioning Smollett, but I suspect this is how they acted the minute Smollett left the room.
Maybe Jussie misheard the attackers. They really shouted THIS IS WAKANDA COUNTRY.
Or maybe he heard them correctly.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-maga-mean-in-Nigerian
I like this definition, from a Nigerian:
Seems right on target.
Another one:
Maybe they said Ugamaga.
Maybe Jussie misheard the attackers. They really shouted THIS IS WAKANDA COUNTRY.
WAKANDA NOW, WAKANDA TOMORROW, WAKANDA FOREVER!
LA Times, meet your match. What’s the difference between the StarTribune’s new icon, and Somalia’s flag?
The latter is less Islamic:
I don't recall, were the alleged attackers ever described as white or was it just the noose and reference to MAGA that made them white in my head. Maybe I'm doing it again by assuming the Nigerians are black. Perhaps the hunt for the great white Nigerian defendants has begun.
Yes, Jussie definitely said his attackers were white men. He was also pretty insistent that the two men in the video were his attackers.
Well, CPD found the two men in the video, and they’re Jussie’s black Nigerian friends.
AFAIK, Jussie was only off-camera for like a minute. Seems unlikely much of a confrontation could occur that quickly – quite the coincidence, too. Seems more likely it was either a fast, pre-planned attack, or simply the time and place where Jussie chose to set his fairy tale.
Yes, Jussie, please acknowledge your lies and hate.
“Fake hate crime as friendly help for his career? This doesn’t sound too likely …”
Yet almost certainly is what occurred. Smollett paid them to perpetrate the hoax, knowing videos would show two large men at the right time, and paid for them to fly home a few hours later until the smoke cleared.
But the Chicago Police and/or FBI tracked the decoys’ movements, proving the hoax a hoax.
“But … if they want to testify against Smollett that it was a hoax and they were just helping him out, well then Smollett is the criminal.”
The Nigerians are criminals if they conspired with Smollett.
So probably a hoax after the fact.
Check out the “reporting” by the BBC. The fact of the hoax is minimized in a very British way.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47258348
Bastrdi bros are implicating Neeson or Ed Buck.
Nigerian body builders ? C’mon..
Let the media “fact checkers” have to pick one of two lines of arguement
1. Two African immigrants did indeed commit a hate crime against a gay, black man.
2. State this proves nothing about immigrants because it was staged.
That’s a good idea.
If the customers wise up, then they don’t come in the door. If the house didn’t have the odds there would be no house.
Yet almost certainly is what occurred. Smollett paid them to perpetrate the hoax, knowing videos would show two large men at the right time, and paid for them to fly home a few hours later until the smoke cleared.
But the Chicago Police and/or FBI tracked the decoys’ movements, proving the hoax a hoax.
It REALLY helped his career in that me and a large number of white people who never heard of this guy could now recognize him in a photograph. I guess there’s no such thing as bad publicity as long as they spell your name right.
Whitey I would imagine.
It’s two white dudes in blackface, people.
Yet almost certainly is what occurred. Smollett paid them to perpetrate the hoax, knowing videos would show two large men at the right time, and paid for them to fly home a few hours later until the smoke cleared.
But the Chicago Police and/or FBI tracked the decoys’ movements, proving the hoax a hoax.
Unfortunately for Juice, the bros flew back to Nigeria, discovered to their (perfectly understandable) horror that they were back in Nigeria and quickly returned to America. I guess Juice somehow thought that they wouldn’t notice that they were back in Nigeria? That was a hell of a gamble to take.
The Nigerian connection...hmmmm
There’s still the question of his manager, who was supposedly on the phone with Smollett while the attack occurred, and whether he was in on it. If he really clearly heard the words “This is MAGA country”, did it sound more like “Dees ees MAGA kohn-tray”? Wouldn’t that sound peculiar to him if he wasn’t in on it?
All countries and peoples of the world would be better off without their minorities. With the possible exception of ethnic cuisine, no culture benefits from minorities.
‘…Okay, I imagine what’s going on is that the cops are telling the two Nigerian bodybuilder pals of Smollett that Smollett swore out a criminal complaint, so if stay dummied up, then he’s telling the truth, so they are criminals. But … if they want to testify against Smollett that it was a hoax and they were just helping him out, well then Smollett is the criminal…’
Both could be true. Smollett could have been attacked by a couple of black savages and then decided he might as well make what capital he could out of the the event.
If you’ve got lemons, make lemonade, as they say. If all three go to prison, I, for one, will look on contentedly.
This is like when OJ flew to Chicago with the murder weapon and the bloody clothes…
The Nigerian connection…hmmmm
So the coalition of the shiftless, the witless and the dispossessed is having to work out which subset of oddities outranks which.
My money’s on the shirtlifters.
Sorry, I must have hit publish accidentally, I thought I deleted this. This was a story that didn’t pan out.
Preston Mitchum has gone radio silent. His fans want to know what the sassy black man thinks of these new developments. Preston, my fabulous sockless Sodomite, what y’all thinking now about the “MARGA COUNTRY” assault?
The CPD is drip-dripping this story out in the most sadistic, hilarious manner possible. The straight-faced “there is no evidence to say that this is a hoax” … Stop it! Stop it! You’re killing me!
One tell that Smollett was involved is that he has not immediately come out with an angry statement trashing the two brothers. If this indeed broadsided him with shocking news, he would have reacted. Instead he is hanging onto the slenderest of threads that the two chumps will take a hit for him. Oh, no, Jussie. You caused the CPD to devote astronomical amounts of resources to this case: They are pissed and they are going to string you along and then chop your balls off.
The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the BBC are acting like they think that people only get their news from mainstream media. All their readers have heard the rest of the story on social media and TMZ-type sites. The MSM does seem to have different standards of reporting depending on the nature of the story. Do they go with the “official statement” only when Trump is involved?
Sopan Deb is a culture reporter of subcontinental descent, not a crime reporter. Why is he on this beat to begin with? He moonlights as a politically correct SJW standup comic. He was arrested at a Trump rally in 2016.
I don't recall, were the alleged attackers ever described as white or was it just the noose and reference to MAGA that made them white in my head. Maybe I'm doing it again by assuming the Nigerians are black. Perhaps the hunt for the great white Nigerian defendants has begun.
A NYT reader would be justified in assuming exactly that.
The White Nigerians likely were descendants of nasty Whites who were run out of Rhodesia (by NATO).
The LA Times article leaves out the fact that Smollett omitted these two goons from his self-reported phone log. And that omission is what tipped-off the cops to focus on them. (Their numbers were a glaring omission compared to the complete phone records that the cops had). If this purposeful omission true, then Steve’s #3 (hate hoax) becomes the most plausible explanation. None of the other alternatives are consistent with Smollett wanting to shield the two goons from scrutiny.
Emerging political angle that may explain the prominent use of the rope prop in the ruse. Numbers linked to the Senator from California are said to be found in the phone logs as well.
Maybe Jussie misheard the attackers. They really shouted THIS IS WAKANDA COUNTRY.
But recall that Jussie bragged about how he successfully fought off these two negro muscleheads while holding on to his sandwich in one hand and his cell phone in the other. Which is why he’s America’s Hero now.
Both could be true. Smollett could have been attacked by a couple of black savages and then decided he might as well make what capital he could out of the the event.
If you've got lemons, make lemonade, as they say. If all three go to prison, I, for one, will look on contentedly.
Peter Schiff said on his podcast that they were Instagram friends with Smollett so it is clear that it is a hoax that they helped him with.
He also implied they were White in the interview with ABC, he stated; “Doubters Would Have Supported Me’ If He Said His Attacker Was Muslim or Mexican (Video) “I have to acknowledge the lies, and the hate,”
Yes, Jussie, please acknowledge your lies and hate.
Most people spend their time glued to mass media outlets and then become frustrated that the real world doesn’t seem to match their prejudices. So they try to rearrange the real world to reflect the hatred in their hearts. That’s all Jussie was trying to do here. We’re just a tiny minority of apostates who believe that perhaps it’s the mass-media representations which need adjusting. This makes us the bad guys.
That started to happen visibly in 2016 after a long, slow trend. Then the media companies all claimed that they had bounced back. It is interesting that there were layoffs at private media companies toward the end of the last government shutdown …
https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/02/15/huge-kamala-harris-is-allegedly-involved-in-jussie-smolletts-maga-country-hoax/
Emerging political angle that may explain the prominent use of the rope prop in the ruse. Numbers linked to the Senator from California are said to be found in the phone logs as well.
TMZ:
Earlier TMZ had reported that the CPD were planning on a lineup with the two brothers so that Jussie could try to identify them. Ha-ha-ha-ha! I suppose that is off now. Too bad.
I’m not sure what is going on, but maybe they snitched on on Jussie? They were given immunity? But too early for that since the prosecutor isn’t involved yet. Maybe ICE was brought in to motivate them?
You don’t get much whiter than Prof Fulton Holtby, and his gift and namesake institution went to Wakanda:
Holtby Museum to open inside Wakanda Park
Fulton’s Workshop: Where Technology and History Meet
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/chippewa.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/45/345b970d-934c-5b3c-9a3e-e445492fc108/5b3e301d3901b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C931
Don’t overlook the obvious.
(1)These two Nigerian brothers, as in same mama and possibly same poppa, are AFRICANS.
(2) These two Nigerian brothers are from one tribe and the gay actor is from another.
(3) Doesn’t take much for members of one tribe to do all sorts of AFRICAN things to members of another tribe.
So, it could be a hoax, but first, a question.
Who kills most blacks in this country? Other blacks.
So, it could be a hoax, or more likely, it was spontaneous AFRICAN behavior.
Looks like we’re back to it being a hoax at Jussie’s direction. He’s lawyered up and his two “pals” have been released.
Chicago PD is probably conferring with the prosecutors office as to how far they want to take this case.
Please please please let me be wrong about this.
(1)These two Nigerian brothers, as in same mama and possibly same poppa, are AFRICANS.
(2) These two Nigerian brothers are from one tribe and the gay actor is from another.
(3) Doesn't take much for members of one tribe to do all sorts of AFRICAN things to members of another tribe.So, it could be a hoax, but first, a question.
Who kills most blacks in this country? Other blacks.
So, it could be a hoax, or more likely, it was spontaneous AFRICAN behavior.
Well this is a stupid comment.
Perhaps you are too stupid to get that.
No it is not. Instead of trying to figure out what convoluted scheme allowed two blacks to assault another black, just consider that they do not think the same way. To them, it was two members of one tribe assaulting an American.
Perhaps you are too stupid to get that.
I also don't get how the sandwich survived through all of this or even why.
Didn't the very smart brothers tell him to "drop this sandwich now otherwise this is going to be ridiculous"?
Man, I can't get my head around any of this.
Totally like a UFO story, but there at least you can claim backward influences through time and forces unknown to science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te8puSw3TVU
https://www.quora.com/What-does-maga-mean-in-Nigerian
I like this definition, from a Nigerian:Seems right on target.
Another one:
A ‘maga’ means a pawn in a scheme. For example the victim of fraud is a maga.
Maybe they said Ugamaga.
Indeed. It begins to look like I might have been right, ‘way back at the start, when I suggested that the correct answer was ‘F’ – false-flag operation. In hindsight, I’d have assigned that possibility a higher probability if I’d known there was a Nigerian connection.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/update-on-smollett-hate-crime/#comment-2791568
Surely everyone involved shall be held publicly accountable for everything that has transpired, right? No, uh, “confidential settlements” or anything of that sort?
The Nigerian brothers, filing the bankruptcies and committing the assaults that Americans don’t want to do.
“The brothers also have struggled with their finances, filing for bankruptcy in 2016, federal court records show.”
“They owed thousands in student loans — one owed about $85,000 and the other’s exceeded $39,000. But the two reported earning just $160 and about $140 a month, respectively, money they often earned with odd jobs, the records show.”
“Both brothers have had run-ins with the law. The older one pleaded guilty in 2012 to aggravated battery and was sentenced to two years of probation for a stabbing that occurred a year earlier about a block away from the brothers’ home, according to Cook County records. He was originally charged with attempted murder, two counts of aggravated battery causing great bodily harm, one of aggravated battery. His brother was ticketed for speeding and DUI in 2015.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-jussie-smollett-suspects-released-20190215-story,amp.html
Chicago PD is probably conferring with the prosecutors office as to how far they want to take this case.
And that right there is the moment when a little backbone by police was pulverized and asphalted over by trendy law school graduates.
Please please please let me be wrong about this.
Perhaps you are too stupid to get that.
If jussie had behaved differently after the attack, this could have been true. But there are several acts of jussie trying to shield them from the Chicago pd. He gave the cops a wrong description of his attackers (he told them they were white) and even deleted them out of the list with the contacts he gave to the police. Why would he do that if they weren’t his accomplices?
"The brothers also have struggled with their finances, filing for bankruptcy in 2016, federal court records show."
"They owed thousands in student loans — one owed about $85,000 and the other’s exceeded $39,000. But the two reported earning just $160 and about $140 a month, respectively, money they often earned with odd jobs, the records show."
"Both brothers have had run-ins with the law. The older one pleaded guilty in 2012 to aggravated battery and was sentenced to two years of probation for a stabbing that occurred a year earlier about a block away from the brothers’ home, according to Cook County records. He was originally charged with attempted murder, two counts of aggravated battery causing great bodily harm, one of aggravated battery. His brother was ticketed for speeding and DUI in 2015."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-jussie-smollett-suspects-released-20190215-story,amp.html
If jussie had behaved differently after the attack, this could have been true. But there are several acts of jussie trying to shield them from the Chicago pd. He gave the cops a wrong description of his attackers (he told them they were white) and even deleted them out of the list with the contacts he gave to the police. Why would he do that if they weren’t his accomplices?
Everything that can go wrong can go wrong, so to speak. – What a story.
(1)These two Nigerian brothers, as in same mama and possibly same poppa, are AFRICANS.
(2) These two Nigerian brothers are from one tribe and the gay actor is from another.
(3) Doesn't take much for members of one tribe to do all sorts of AFRICAN things to members of another tribe.So, it could be a hoax, but first, a question.
Who kills most blacks in this country? Other blacks.
So, it could be a hoax, or more likely, it was spontaneous AFRICAN behavior.
Nonsense. Are you a troll?
But you can have endless low-nutrient stories that detract from real problems.
It’s like chocolate-frosted sugar bombs.
Perhaps you are too stupid to get that.
But then how did they know he was Gay & also on Empire?
I also don’t get how the sandwich survived through all of this or even why.
Didn’t the very smart brothers tell him to “drop this sandwich now otherwise this is going to be ridiculous”?
Man, I can’t get my head around any of this.
Totally like a UFO story, but there at least you can claim backward influences through time and forces unknown to science.
(1)These two Nigerian brothers, as in same mama and possibly same poppa, are AFRICANS.
(2) These two Nigerian brothers are from one tribe and the gay actor is from another.
(3) Doesn't take much for members of one tribe to do all sorts of AFRICAN things to members of another tribe.So, it could be a hoax, but first, a question.
Who kills most blacks in this country? Other blacks.
So, it could be a hoax, or more likely, it was spontaneous AFRICAN behavior.
Not in this case as there actually was a noose present, so pre-planned.
For the record, Monday night was the night before the polar vortex. It was just normal cold January weather that night
I mean it take some cockamamie arrogance to make up a story of maga-hat-wearing, ski-mask-wearing, 'racist' and 'homophobic' attackers in the uber-proggy part of Chicago at 2 am in the coldest part of the year. And they didn't just insult and attack him but poured bleach on him and put a NOOSE around him. That's not reality but something from Hollywood script. And just like Trayvon Martin, Jussie was on the phone while it happened. He might have just gotten away with it without the phone call biz, but what a dummy.
Possibly he expected whoever he was on the phone with (assume phone call) would support his story, and they chickened out? If your bros won’t go along, you have got some holes in your story and need to start scrambling.
Think Ted Kennedy (Lion, etc.) and his two buddies at the Chappaquiddick Dike Bridge.
If Jussie goes to jail over the hoax, his friends won’t have to send him soap-on-a rope as a gag gift, like Charles Barkley received.
All that smack ‘n’ crack can really make you believe that King Kong ain’t got sh!t on your certified Trifecta-Victimhoodlumism .
…in which episode Juwssie insists :
“Lets stick to the facts shall we?…45 and all his white-hooded cohorts are a national disgrace. And if you still support them…so are you.”
No Juwssie- that is not MLK endorsing your shooting heroin habit!
https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/87eb433fc528e8454637d946e7ac03e5/5CE78A62/t51.2885-15/e35/49778703_250906759164465_6459439029484590104_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com
Of course it’s not hoax.
That’s exactly why Smollet’s handlers are fully implementing classic Buttplug Defence strategy at this point:
https://the-hollywood-gossip-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s–YEPSnClG–/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip
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"The brothers also have struggled with their finances, filing for bankruptcy in 2016, federal court records show."
"They owed thousands in student loans — one owed about $85,000 and the other’s exceeded $39,000. But the two reported earning just $160 and about $140 a month, respectively, money they often earned with odd jobs, the records show."
"Both brothers have had run-ins with the law. The older one pleaded guilty in 2012 to aggravated battery and was sentenced to two years of probation for a stabbing that occurred a year earlier about a block away from the brothers’ home, according to Cook County records. He was originally charged with attempted murder, two counts of aggravated battery causing great bodily harm, one of aggravated battery. His brother was ticketed for speeding and DUI in 2015."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-jussie-smollett-suspects-released-20190215-story,amp.html
They sound like model immigrants.
TMZ:
I’m 100% sure that if those guys decided to beat you up for realz, you would look a lot less purty afterward than Jussi did.