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From the Los Angeles Times:
Californians and other Americans are flooding Mexico City. Some locals want them to go home
7/27/2022 7:53:00 PMCalifornians and other Americans are flooding Mexico City. Some locals want them to go home
American tourists and remote workers are gentrifying some of Mexico City’s most treasured neighborhoods. Backlash is growing.
Mexicans are good at not being self-destructive due to ideology. Their self-destructiveness tends to have more based motivations.
Fernando Bustos Gorozpe, a philosophy teacher and cultural critic, uploaded a video to his popular TikTok account, complaining that the influx of foreigners in Mexico City “stinks of modern colonialism.” Nearly 2,000 people posted comments in agreeing.
The pandemic pushed it into overdrive. As much of Europe and Asia shut their doors to Americans in 2020, Mexico, which adopted few COVID-19 restrictions, was one of the few places where gringos were welcome.But the anecdotal evidence is compelling. In the first four months of the year, 1.2 million foreigners arrived at Mexico City’s airport.
1.2 million foreigners arriving at a huge city’s airport in one-third of a year isn’t a big deal. E.g., I arrived at Mexico City’s airport in 1974, but then I left form Mexico City’s airport a week later.
Alexandra Demou, who runs the relocation company Welcome Home Mexico, said she gets 50 calls a week from people contemplating a move.
Sarah Lupton, a 35-year-old from North Carolina who came to Mexico City last year, as soon as she got her second COVID-19 vaccine, said she fell in love with the “romantic yet gritty” aesthetic. She ended up selling her video production company and relocating here in January with her Shih Tzu. Now she’s learning Spanish, applying for residency and exploring a new path as a life and career coach.
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What proportion of trend articles are based on interviews with career coaches?
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A life coach is a retail version of what McKinsey et al peddle to large corporations.
McKinsey has enough money to own congress people.
Not saying it is not b. s. but 80% of all work is make-work and has been for 50 years so far.
McKinsey grooms politicians and corporate executives for shadow state purposes. McKinsey is well-represented amongst Governor Gavin Newsom's staff. Newsom is also an acolyte of the WEF extremist climate agenda. More than likely, Newsom and his hideous wife and kids will be living in the White House beginning January 2025.
Someone who just moved to a new country and is still learning the language is not going to make a good life and career coach.
But besides this, life coaching is not a job that needs to be done in person. Her clients could be anywhere on earth.
Btw Steve please copy and paste the whole article. LA Times seems to have a paywall impossible to bypass.Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @MEH 0910
Mexico is not going to be the monolithic society it once was in the last century. It is a huge transformation for Mexico to make and must take place. Mexico is now going into a multicultural mode but without this transformation Mexico cannot survive. Mexico needs immigrants from all nations in their country. Just think of the wonderful hotdogs and hamburgers they can now eat from, different Musics and languages. The people against this are racist fascists and they need to come into the 21st century. There is no place for borders, homogeneity or nation states in this time, it is literally Nazism! Diversity is our greatest strength!
Liberal ideas are non- commutative. "Principles" that are applied for sneaking into the US from Mexico are not applicable for sneaking into Mexico from the US.
Telling word choice there by the LAT. I gather that in Mexico “gringo” is a pretty value-neutral (or maybe mildly negative) term, but in the US it’s generally considered pejorative.
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don’t say “gringo” at all. The equivalent expression there is “guiri.”)
Oh by the way The Covington A-hole lost his defamation suits
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sandmann-phillips-media-defamation-case-b2132657.html
HAHAHAHAHHA
ESADReplies: @Haddwdgggf, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rocko
LOL @ “modern colonialism”. When Mexicans come to the US it is also colonialism. It’s the Empire colonizing the hinterlands.
…How about marrying into the Mexican 1%….even better.
Has anyone ever tried to determine how long the average American expat to Mexico stays before moving back to the U.S.? My guess would be under five years. If they need high quality health care, I doubt they are sticking around.
However, I recall a personal anecdote. More than 10 years ago, I was at a party where some chap went on about his beautiful house in Mexico, where he spent at least 6 months out of the year, and had been there for the past four years. The name of his city escapes me. I brought up that cartel networks make living anywhere in Mexico can make long-term plans for retirement problematic. He retorted that I was regurgitating propaganda. His neighborhood was a gated community, and they never had any problems. I recall telling him gates don’t mean anything to an angry cartel leader. He scoffed at my assertion, and said he was going to retire and live like a Duke there full time on into the sunset.
Three years later, I asked a mutual acquaintance about him, and was told he had sold his house and moved back to the states, owing to a fairly savage cartel-related attack in his gated community. Can’t remember the details, but I do recall there was a street in his neighborhood that suddenly became very Aztec. Nasty, cartel-authored deaths. This guy was kind of a snooty, beta male nerd, and it didn’t surprise me the cartel business in his gated community flipped his shit. No "holding the fort" for that beta. I just smile when I recall his arrogance.
You ain‘t gonna‘ find that in the US. We are at the bottom of health care quality. Anyone who has had treatment overseas knows this.Replies: @JSM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HD47AJOcP84“The Real Reason We Left the US and Can’t Go Back”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngiTNMLC60sF—- the US medical profiteers and everyone who insists on pretending that our system works for our people — just because nobody in their family apparently has needed care he can’t afford (yet) in this “great” and “rich country.
The broad literature on ‘over-tourism‘ and it’s negative social and sometimes economic impacts on locals, being almost completely written by progressive liberals is almost indistinguishable from the more intellectual populist right critiques of immigration. Indeed even the term ‘over-tourism’ opens the avenue to a good term, ‘over-immigration’, forcing the opposition to justify current rates and why address the numbers as well as either accept or not if there is any amount of immigration that isn’t justified.
If you took ‘over-tourism‘ texts and did a find and replace of ‘tourist’ with ‘immigrant’, you’d seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the ‘economy’. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type ‘over-tourism’ into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an ‘over-tourism’ piece that I first read the term: ‘social pollution‘ to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don’t demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don’t want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html
“I don’t travel like that”, shades of, “Trying to find a better life”, so are the people already living there.
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are ‘immigrationists’ but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few ‘New Danes’ around to enact what I call the ‘immigrant veto’ of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it’s eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.
Since these people are all legal immigrants, Mexico can restrict the number of visas it gives out (or institute a visa). With internet, it is very easy for Mexican government to say people have to go to Immigration Mexico website and get a visa after paying, say, $10. When the visas run out, the place is crowded.
Personally I think climate change is happening and it's probably significantly due to human behavior. But I don't want to give our rulers any more power over anything.Replies: @Travis
The "progressives" cried "wolf" too many times--that is not the fault of the other side:
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
But big picture you are right - both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Abe, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey
Are there any books about over-tourism you can recommend?
Barcelona and Venice are the examples that I am most familiar with.
I feel Bermuda is a good counter-example. They do a good job keeping the cruise crowds contained and there are quite a few areas for locals that rarely see tourists.
As always, Who/Whom. Vibrant foreign populations have the "right" to preserve their vibrancy, and the "right" to bring it here. Native Whites, not.
Google should have a who/whom filter.
As for Left/Right symmetry: all polls show that what people want is best described (not by pollsters) as National/Socialism. Strong borders, ethnic homogeneity, national health care. Eg., Bismarck, or today's Israel. The US and most Western systems systematically mystify their voters by splitting National/Socialism into two, "rival" parties. You can have strong borders, but Grandma has to die in poverty, because Market. Or, Grandma gets healthcare, but the borders are open and immigrant flood the system. (Notice how Old Leftist Bernie used to understand this, and say it out loud).
More symmetry: Zoning and Rent control = "preserving our neighborhoods." National Socialists also pioneered environmental laws and animal rights. (See AA's column today about how Leftists actually hate the planet, because they hate beauty).
Vdare.com has proposed that immigrants be required to file "impact statements" just as builders do.Denmark is hardly "left wing" by European standards. They even have "at will" employment like we do. Their abortion laws would horrify our Democrats.Here is something completely different from Ireland:
18-Year-Old Irish Traveler Marries 1st Cousin In Wedding With 73 Best Men And Barbie Cake
Did you know they eat bugs in Mexico? Can’t wait for all the new exotic recipes working their way through the Acceptance Funnel, the new Grasshopper Salsa at Taco Bell is a start.
Maybe we can arrange something like a prisoner exchange?
There’s an old Russian proverb that states that when three people tell you you’re drunk, it’s time to go home and go to bed.
Everyone–and I mean everyone–detests Californians. You are making enemies as far away as Portugal. Seriously, google “Californians” and “Portugal”. One can’t even get away from the Californian cancer there.
Every time a Californian dies, an angel gets its wings.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
“What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” does not work in Mexico City. If you do your Las Vegas touron act in Mexico City the residents will think you are rude.
Six months is plenty of time for an American to learn Spanish, if they are motivated. I learned to speak fluent Portuguese from scratch in two months (by fluent I mean I didn’t need my dictionary anymore because I had the vocabulary and grammar needed to describe any words I didn’t know.
But besides this, life coaching is not a job that needs to be done in person. Her clients could be anywhere on earth.
Btw Steve please copy and paste the whole article. LA Times seems to have a paywall impossible to bypass.
https://archive.ph/sD8w2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
https://web.archive.org/web/20220728201214/https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_MachineReplies: @Stan Adams
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
‘over-tourism’
Since these people are all legal immigrants, Mexico can restrict the number of visas it gives out (or institute a visa). With internet, it is very easy for Mexican government to say people have to go to Immigration Mexico website and get a visa after paying, say, \$10. When the visas run out, the place is crowded.
Will we soon be seeing beheaded drag queen story hour divas hanging from bridges with handwritten signs stapled to their chests? Tune in next year.
Still nobody emigrating to Africa to gentrify Mogadishu or Abuja? A nice lady with a Shih Tzu could meet a real prince in Abuja.
This looks like the White Man’s worst nightmare, a futuristic high tech city.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4ox214YLvw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0kz5vEqdaSc
https://edition.cnn.com/style/amp/saudi-arabia-the-line-city-scli-intl/index.html
If they’re trying to invade USA. I think it’s only fair we do the same to them. Plus, the people who stay in Mexico are the well off, the poor and criminals come over here. Seems like a good exchange.
Mexico must learn that racial diversity is its strength!
Similar BS narratives were presented by the local shitlib presstitutes, when a brand new wave of trash from other states started flooding into Goa during the COVID-19 lockdowns. The existing trash from other states is already a nasty burden, and bluntly telling the low-IQ creatures to their faces that they’re not welcome in Goa (and never have been) also doesn’t work. They keep moving here and never leave.
https://www.thehindu.com/society/who-belongs-to-goa-this-question-resurfaces-as-the-state-battles-the-raging-pandemic/article34554870.ece
“Sarah Lupton, a 35-year-old from North Carolina … relocating here in January with her Shih Tzu… exploring a new path as a life and career coach.”]
Nothing says “let me suggest improvements to your life” like a 35 year old dog mom, yet it can work. I know an overweight, 50-something childless Oxbridge grad who life coaches, and apparently she’s rather good. The only time we ever had a real conversation she was well aware of the irony that she wasn’t exactly a walking advert for her own services.
That will be $75.
Mexicans apparently do not understand irony – the gentrification of Mexico City would not be possible if not for the deluge of Mexicans who have arrived in El Norte over the last 40 years. Many are decent people but their presence has an inflationary effect on housing and drives up public social welfare spending, and is probably the single biggest reason California went from a middle class paradise in the middle of the 20th century to an outrageously expensive high tax state with the largest share of its population living below the income-adjusted poverty line of any place in the union.
Mr. Fernando’s charge of modern colonialism made me laugh out loud, since Mexico City is built on the razed capital of the civilization his ancestors exterminated.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
Al Gore has made dialogue around climate change worse but he is ultimately irrelevant. The right rightly can tell that the elites want to use “climate change” in order to push their Great Reset, social credit scores, forced scarcity, etc.
Personally I think climate change is happening and it’s probably significantly due to human behavior. But I don’t want to give our rulers any more power over anything.
Hopefully we get back to the climate we had during the Roman Climate Optimum when humans thrived under the warmer climate. Unfortunately the greens want us to return to the climate we experienced during the mini-ice-age when the Thames routinely froze each year and crop yields were far lower due to lower temperatures and lower levels of CO2
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
If one looks at the number of deaths in Mexico attributed to Covid-19 compared to cases, it is obvious that Mexico has not trying very hard. I could not find the hospitalization rate. In a few years, some demographers/public health PhD students will be publishing all of the real data and showing the addtional deaths in each country compared to baselines.
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
The Associated Press style guide says it’s a derogatory term for foreigners in parts of Latin America, and advises its use only in quotes. Certainly basic professionalism would suggest avoiding the unironic use of words known to be offensive to many people, but journalism has ceased to have any professional standards.
Mexico, the luckiest third world country in history, having the extreme good fortune to have a 1000 mile border with the best country in the world. no such border has ever existed anywhere else.
what would Mexico be like if it’s borders were instead similar to Brazil, surrounded by other dumpy countries on all sides? how big of a GDP hit would it take? or that is to say, how much direct benefit does Mexico get from it’s tremendous geographic luck?
Mexico must get a 35% GDP boost at least, just from being directly on the US border. maybe not all the way to a 50% increase, although that does seem like a plausible upper limit to the ballpark. GDP per capita below Brazil is what it would have if it’s borders were somewhere else. Brazil has actual domestic manufacturing and Mexico doesn’t. there’s a zero percent chance Mexico would ever have anything like Embraer or Taurus. Mexico benefits tremendously from US manufacturers building all their factories there now simply due to dumb geographical luck.
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
Grow up and get some thicker skin.
Oh by the way The Covington A-hole lost his defamation suits
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sandmann-phillips-media-defamation-case-b2132657.html
HAHAHAHAHHA
ESAD
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/f5/0f/67f50fe4a5a3f5dc259857df0bfe4731.jpg
Just communicate to the sons of the Flayed God that all the expats are devoted to mariconeria and the problem takes care of itself.
Best ever iSteve typo? Maybe.
No, what he's saying is correct: Your average Mexican, like normies of every colour, occupy their thoughts with the tangible, and how to get it. Not for them are the ideologies of the malignant which are suffocatingly omnipresent. Even if they can't fully grasp the meaning and detect the various subbasement torture chambers of the ideology their instincts are repulsed. Like all animals, they can scent death.
A bit OT. A neighbor of mine was born and raised in Mexico. He comes from a well off (white) Morman family. I suppose sort of a Mitt Romney type family background. Anyway, a while back there was a shocking incident in Cancun when a hit squad floated up to the beach in a boat and proceeded to open fire on a lounging cartel member. The bullets flew, sending beachgoers running in panic and dispatching the cartel member. My neighbor told me that there was a sort of mutual understanding that resort areas like Cancun/Xcaret were considered safe spaces for cartel members and their families. He said that the guys on the hit squad who had violated the sanctuary were now walking dead men.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
“being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics”
The “progressives” cried “wolf” too many times–that is not the fault of the other side:
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
1.2 million arrived at the airport!
There’s a certain “thing” about the way Mexicans use language that I know when I read it hear it, but can’t quite define yet. It’s not as simple as being melodramatic. It’s like….casual melodrama, and without the gringo sense of what the downsides are of communicating that way.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
At this rate, I wonder if other Californians will flood Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Panama as well?
10 Best Countries for Americans Who Want to Live Abroad
https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/best-countries-for-american-expats
it all depends–you don’t know individual’s skill set. With many Americans there working remotely, I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets English-speaking clients too
My wife and I visited there over 40 years ago. Had a great time! Lots to see and do.BUT Mexico City is 7,000 feet above sea level and heavily polluted. After several hours I was completely exhausted because of the altitude. And when I sneezed black mucus would come out.
I think maybe you mean, base motivations, like not being able to keep Mr. Weenie in the pants. That seems to be the undoing of many here.
” Turn left at the next pile of human heads”.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
There is an important distinction between tourism and immigration. Tourism turns the locals into a servile class catering to the desires of foreigners – this is why tourism seems, to me, so devastating for once proud nations like Greece, Italy and Spain.* Immigration, for the most part, is the reverse, it is the importing of a foreign servile class to cater to the desires of the locals. That has disastrous knock on effects, but isn’t as demoralizing for most of the indigenous population as over tourism is. In many ways the two are opposites – tourism drives up costs for locals and makes entertainment options more expensive. Immigration drives down entertainment costs for locals. On the other hand immigration results in increased crime and deteriorating school systems. A tourist based economy can afford to put more tax revenue into infrastructure like health care and education (both of which, imho, are better in Italy than in the US).
But big picture you are right – both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.
We should work out a trade with Mexico.
We return all of their people and in exchange they take our Californians, life coaches, soyjacks, and SWPLs and send them
to Venezuela.
But big picture you are right - both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Abe, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey
Give Italy US demographics, and its health care and education would be at the level of ours.
Payback’s a bitch, ain’t it? 🙂
But on a more serious note: one is reminded that even though Mexicans demand the right to move freely and settle in the United States, the Mexican people are vicious xenophobic racists. They have strict laws preventing non-citizens from buying property in Mexico (you can do long-term leases though). And to become a Mexican citizen, you have to be an ethnic Mexican, no gringoes need apply. Because ‘diversity’ is for other people.
I think of Mexico City as a microcosm of Latinx America: islands of genuine prosperity in a larger sea of poverty. Some areas look pretty ok.
If you look at “walking tours” on YouTube in the fancier neighborhoods (e.g. Roma), you’d be forgiven for thinking you were in Milano or Valencia.
So Mexicans cannot be surprised that their rough gem would be undiscovered forever. But they can sleep calmly. Most people are not digital nomads and my impression of most of those nomads is that they don’t have kids.
For most people, things like school quality or pollution would immediately matter if you want to settle somewhere for the long haul and have a family. Mexico City does very poorly on both.
My outsider’s impression of Mexicans is that they seem pleasant but are probably pretty dull. Mexico doesn’t seem to produce any interesting intellectuals such as Piketty or the late Scruton. Admittedly, neither does the West to any great capacity but this partly ameliorated by a much larger selection of interesting writers/bloggers that you can read off the beaten track on the internet. Perhaps Latinx America has such a sphere too but they are simply not translated into English, but I doubt it.
Besides, unless you’re very poor, there are better places to live a few years in your twenties, to experience a new culture. Such as Spain. It has a sufficiently different social climate for Anglos to appreciate – much warmer! – and a more interesting country in every aspect. Barcelona and Madrid simply beat Mexico City in cultural amenities every day of the week without being absurdly expensive (or crime-prone) like Paris. While Mexico probably has more impressive nature, Spain’s close enough to France and Switzerland to more than make up for it.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
Altai,
Are there any books about over-tourism you can recommend?
Barcelona and Venice are the examples that I am most familiar with.
I feel Bermuda is a good counter-example. They do a good job keeping the cruise crowds contained and there are quite a few areas for locals that rarely see tourists.
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
“Seriously, type ‘over-tourism’ into Google and mentally do that.”
As always, Who/Whom. Vibrant foreign populations have the “right” to preserve their vibrancy, and the “right” to bring it here. Native Whites, not.
Google should have a who/whom filter.
As for Left/Right symmetry: all polls show that what people want is best described (not by pollsters) as National/Socialism. Strong borders, ethnic homogeneity, national health care. Eg., Bismarck, or today’s Israel. The US and most Western systems systematically mystify their voters by splitting National/Socialism into two, “rival” parties. You can have strong borders, but Grandma has to die in poverty, because Market. Or, Grandma gets healthcare, but the borders are open and immigrant flood the system. (Notice how Old Leftist Bernie used to understand this, and say it out loud).
More symmetry: Zoning and Rent control = “preserving our neighborhoods.” National Socialists also pioneered environmental laws and animal rights. (See AA’s column today about how Leftists actually hate the planet, because they hate beauty).
Soon the American left will be decrying this trend as colonization. Because an inflow of white people into non-white nations is bad but a massive inflow of non-whites into white nations is good, is progress, is enrichment and is inevitable.
Since Mexico is a nation and not an idea or an open air shopping mall like the U.S. they will eventually put a stop to it. Plus, Jews don’t control their media and diversity and anti-racism isn’t the national religion.
Mexico City ‘s air quality is poor ; hence a health hazard . Why don’t people do their homework before moving ? Must be cleaner air cities in Mexico ! Try a smaller populated city ; more people equals more pollution !
But big picture you are right - both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Abe, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey
Good insights! One could say with only moderate exaggeration that toxic levels of “ugly American” tourism is why Cuba is still among that tiny club of 21st Century actually communist countries (there’s some movie whose name I can’t recall where a group of American tourists are at a hotel disgustingly awaiting the arrival of Superman- Superman being some mulatto Cuban male stripper with a fantastically large endowment) . One could say with much more but still non-absurd levels of exaggeration that Vietnam fell once McNamara foolishly started using that country as the exclusive R&R destination for the entire US Army (something satirized in that scene in APOCALYPSE NOW where Playboy bunnies are helicoptered into a battle zone).
The Godfather Part 2 - Michael discovers the traitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-JxPQs3aGM
Probably there to coach the other “gringos.” Another good one would be yoga instructor.
So it’s Who/Whom once again. It’s okay for Mexicans to invade American territory, but not the other way around.
It’s been 30+ years since I’ve been to Mexico City. It struck me as strongly middle class. The people were better dressed than Americans. More decent than most American big cities.
But the air pollution and altitude made me sick.
I’ve always heard that Guadalajara is the best Mexican city for ‘Mericans to emigrate to.
Guadalajara won't doReplies: @MEH 0910
If you took 'over-tourism' texts and did a find and replace of 'tourist' with 'immigrant', you'd seldom notice. Both deal with the lack of self-determination of the locals, both deal with the diminished of their social space and both deal with lobbies whose own narrow self-interest is presented as that of the 'economy'. (Both also invert reality and present it as the outsiders who are needed even to the existential threat to the natives) Seriously, type 'over-tourism' into Google and mentally do that.
It was in an 'over-tourism' piece that I first read the term: 'social pollution' to describe the impact of having your social spaces in your own community being full of foreigners. But tourists leave and therefore if tourism is evil, immigration must be far worse. Tourists don't demand not just the temporary occupation of social space but the very ingroup identity of the natives (Selectively, of course, they still want to have their own exclusive ingroup but be treated as an ingroup member by the natives) and access for their descendants of the social, political and economic resources of the natives.
Tourists too don't want to have these impacts and no single one can be blamed but cumulatively they do whether they are ignorant of this or not.
Here is one from Ireland but others can be found, particularly for European cities like Barcelona or Amsterdam.
https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-talk/pl-conghaile-overtourism-is-the-new-normal-get-sustainable-or-get-used-to-it-36077035.html"I don't travel like that", shades of, "Trying to find a better life", so are the people already living there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCV8k6UEAEc4ZH.jpg
This gets to the heart of a lot of things that are frustrating to me politically. Much as progressive liberals almost all are 'immigrationists' but purely for reasons of political aesthetics. There is nothing that prevents having appropriate immigration policy with left wing politics. See Denmark, though that was the product of an historical accident of anti-immigration parties in Denmark getting into a right-coalition government at just the right time to stave off the asylum fraud influx that devastated the rest of Western Europe, with far fewer immigrants and the bad example of Sweden just across the sea, Danes are free to articulate why immigration does nothing but cause negative outcomes for the natives. Too few 'New Danes' around to enact what I call the 'immigrant veto' of making such talk hard to engage in.
It also reminds me of the right in the US and Australia being against measures to mitigate climate change for the purposes of political aesthetics, in fact if you want to convince a fench-sitting friend of a more progressive ilk, mention this similarity, it's eerie how similar it is, irrational political tribalism.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @epebble, @AndrewR, @Justvisiting, @MEH 0910, @Peter Akuleyev, @The Wild Geese Howard, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar
I’ve used the term pollution here to describe the settling of the South. Racial pollution.
Vdare.com has proposed that immigrants be required to file “impact statements” just as builders do.
Denmark is hardly “left wing” by European standards. They even have “at will” employment like we do. Their abortion laws would horrify our Democrats.
Here is something completely different from Ireland:
18-Year-Old Irish Traveler Marries 1st Cousin In Wedding With 73 Best Men And Barbie Cake
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
I prefer it to the godawful anglo, for the same reason that goy is preferable to gentile. One is an upfront insult, the other a deeper one, with underexamined connotations.
I’m a goy gringo, dammit, not an “anglo gentile”!
If you read the entire LA Times article — and reverse the terms for Americans vs. mexicans — the article works equally well … and the bias against US Citizens and in favor of mexicans in that article are painfully obvious … especially since she just happens to be an LA Times ‘foreign correspondent’ living in mexico city … probably with the same habits and such as the Americans she disparages.
The tens of millions of mexicans and others who’ve invaded our (formerly) Sovereign Nation over the past 57 years (since LBJ signed the 1965 immigration act) have had far, far worse effects on We The People than we could ever have on their nations …
HOWEVER … to the mexicans’ favor — I understand their dislike for folks from both Brooklyn and SV … my law school class was almost 60% NYC jews … and they made life unbearable for the rest of US who were neither jews nor from NYC …
“Some chilangos, as locals are known, are fed up.
Recently, expletive-laced posters appeared around town.
“New to the city? Working remotely?” they read in English. “You’re a f—ing plague and the locals f—ing hate you. Leave.”” —- that’s how many of US feel about the mexicans who’ve invaded US for almost 6 decades … in spades …
““There’s a distinction between people who want to learn about the place they are in and those who just like it because it’s cheap,” he said. “I’ve met a number of people who don’t really care that they’re in Mexico, they just care that it’s cheap.”” —- vs. the free stuff that all of the mexicans and others invading US demand — free health care, free education, housing — all that we can provide …
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
The word “gringo” is never pejorative, anywhere. It’s most basic meaning is “white, non-Hispanic”. It can be USED pejoratively, as can nearly any word — compare and contrast “Yankee” and “damn Yankee”.
Oh by the way The Covington A-hole lost his defamation suits
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sandmann-phillips-media-defamation-case-b2132657.html
HAHAHAHAHHA
ESADReplies: @Haddwdgggf, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rocko
Chief Shitting Bull had defamation lawsuits?
Oh by the way The Covington A-hole lost his defamation suits
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sandmann-phillips-media-defamation-case-b2132657.html
HAHAHAHAHHA
ESADReplies: @Haddwdgggf, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rocko
I’m sure your skin is delicious when properly roasted.
I epitomize this. Hard to not believe you are living a lie.
I’ve had Mexicans tell me that if the shoe was on the other foot, Mexicans would welcome white American immigration into Mexico. Mexicans don’t like white people.
Nothing new; US News has been publishing lists like this for a long time.
10 Best Countries for Americans Who Want to Live Abroad
https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/best-countries-for-american-expats
But besides this, life coaching is not a job that needs to be done in person. Her clients could be anywhere on earth.
Btw Steve please copy and paste the whole article. LA Times seems to have a paywall impossible to bypass.Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @MEH 0910
If you use NoScript and set it to forbid scripts on a page, that will get you past a lot of paywalls, including this one.
Ghana offers citizenship to African Americans. If one uses one drop test, a lot of people may qualify.
I understand there are highly qualified expats who manage their medical practice in Mexico, primarily because they enjoy not having to give so much of their paychecks back to the United States government. The government financially reems physicians as a matter of course, on top of all the other bullshit they have to deal with. Far simpler, and far more lucrative to conduct a medical office in Mexico.
However, I recall a personal anecdote. More than 10 years ago, I was at a party where some chap went on about his beautiful house in Mexico, where he spent at least 6 months out of the year, and had been there for the past four years. The name of his city escapes me. I brought up that cartel networks make living anywhere in Mexico can make long-term plans for retirement problematic. He retorted that I was regurgitating propaganda. His neighborhood was a gated community, and they never had any problems. I recall telling him gates don’t mean anything to an angry cartel leader. He scoffed at my assertion, and said he was going to retire and live like a Duke there full time on into the sunset.
Three years later, I asked a mutual acquaintance about him, and was told he had sold his house and moved back to the states, owing to a fairly savage cartel-related attack in his gated community. Can’t remember the details, but I do recall there was a street in his neighborhood that suddenly became very Aztec. Nasty, cartel-authored deaths. This guy was kind of a snooty, beta male nerd, and it didn’t surprise me the cartel business in his gated community flipped his shit. No “holding the fort” for that beta. I just smile when I recall his arrogance.
No one accused ZZ Top of gentrifying Mexico :
But besides this, life coaching is not a job that needs to be done in person. Her clients could be anywhere on earth.
Btw Steve please copy and paste the whole article. LA Times seems to have a paywall impossible to bypass.Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @MEH 0910
Use an archived link:
https://archive.ph/sD8w2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
https://web.archive.org/web/20220728201214/https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_Machine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11059083/Mexico-City-residents-fed-Americans-descending-capital-escape-high-rent-California.html
https://archive.ph/sD8w2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
https://web.archive.org/web/20220728201214/https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_MachineReplies: @Stan Adams
Better yet, read the Daily Mail article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11059083/Mexico-City-residents-fed-Americans-descending-capital-escape-high-rent-California.html
If you want to be happy and successful in life, do the exact opposite of what I do.
That will be \$75.
McKinsey has enough money to own congress people.
Not saying it is not b. s. but 80% of all work is make-work and has been for 50 years so far.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Paul Jolliffe
“McKinsey has enough money to own congress people.”
McKinsey grooms politicians and corporate executives for shadow state purposes. McKinsey is well-represented amongst Governor Gavin Newsom’s staff. Newsom is also an acolyte of the WEF extremist climate agenda. More than likely, Newsom and his hideous wife and kids will be living in the White House beginning January 2025.
McKinsey has enough money to own congress people.
Not saying it is not b. s. but 80% of all work is make-work and has been for 50 years so far.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Paul Jolliffe
Hmm.
So single, mid-thirties white women from America are moving to Mexico City in pursuit of “romantic yet gritty” experiences.
It might seem that, for a man with the requisite “skill set”, opportunity beckons. . .
That’s entirely dependent on the client’s IQ to Bank Account Size ratio.
My “LOL” there is definitely of the “I have to laugh, otherwise I’d cry” variety.
At least we can rest confident in the knowledge that it is all White peoples’ fault.
“Fernando Bustos Gorozpe, a philosophy teacher and cultural critic, uploaded a video to his popular TikTok account, complaining that the influx of foreigners in Mexico City “stinks of modern colonialism.” Nearly 2,000 people posted comments in agreeing.”
The white man: Not allowed to stay; not allowed to leave.
I only wish non-whites would dislike us enough to stay out of our countries. As it is, they only dislike us enough not to want us taking over theirs (and I don't blame them).
OT — FBI reveals that the current issue of the Phantom Nazis is so pressing that the whole thing had to be made up. The same whistleblowers also say that conservatives are being purged, as happened in the late Obama era military. But pay no attention to that Muslim terrorist training camp which was neatly covered up.
(Also turns out that according to criteria relied on by Biden administration officials, it is after all a recession.)
https://www.revolver.news/2022/07/breaking-whistleblowers-say-fbi-leadership-pressuring-agents-to-artificially-pad-domestic-terrorism-stats/
“Best ever iSteve typo?”
No, what he’s saying is correct: Your average Mexican, like normies of every colour, occupy their thoughts with the tangible, and how to get it. Not for them are the ideologies of the malignant which are suffocatingly omnipresent. Even if they can’t fully grasp the meaning and detect the various subbasement torture chambers of the ideology their instincts are repulsed. Like all animals, they can scent death.
Swap!
It’s not really invading. It’s letting oneself into a better situation. We white people perfected it.
The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes--doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag--settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)
Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation--and its goodies--built by white people that their own people did not build.Replies: @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @nebulafox
Just doing a job Mexicans won’t do.
The handbook recommended with enthusiasm a certain bar in Ensenada – meaning, for Americans and Canadians, of course. There was a bit of a wait at the door as the place was full on a weekend night, but the door security passed me in. Yet I saw not one gringo, only Mexicans at all the tables, in a comfortable atmosphere. I stood at the bar for a long time, without receiving a look from the bartenders, and eventually realized that I was in a reconquista. I left politely and with respect.
I know, what is their problem? Why are they against racial diversity?
El Salvador is getting a mini-boom of pro-Bitcoin WEIRDs, since President Bukele managed to champion the cryptocurrency as legal tender there. I don’t think many are Californians, but a lot of white nerds from America and elsewhere.
Americans go there for health crae, for affordability and treatments not available in the US.
Well put, Babs.
It’s an obscure cult film called The Godfather Part II
The Godfather Part 2 – Michael discovers the traitor
OT,but is the Dear Leader going to comment on the giant Alzheimer’s fraud scandal?
Given that California is always teetering on a massive budget shortfall — most of its tax revenue comes from Silicon Valley and that’s in the toilet being flushed right now, the outflow of otherwise tax paying residents who don’t use much if any services is going to be a big issue.
California NOW in budget surplus has homeless as far as the eye can see (because each homeless person brings in around \$750k combined federal, state, local, and NGO funding), crime out of control, water rationing, resistance to the umpteenth covid lockdown, etc. With a budget crisis?
Expect a global reach to tax those who left California, even up to 20 years ago, with California Tax Agents working everywhere on the planet to seize their stuff.
The sensible thing for grifting, grafting politicians would be to repel those requiring constant services, like poor working people, or the criminal class (that means blacks). And attract those middle and upper class Whites who generate lots of tax revenues and don’t use much services. Thus they can generate “green” boondoggles to fund their mansions in Hawaii or Lake Tahoe. That would be the smart move. The actual moves they’ve made for generations is to demand as many poor people who require lots of services, attack and repel tax payers who generate revenue but don’t use services, and protect criminals at every turn.
They do this because of religious reasons. Hatred of White people is a religion. As is worshiping Holy Oppressed Sacred Redeemers of Whiteness like Saint Floyd of Fentanyl. And importing both impoverished Latin American peons and foreign grifters from India, Asia, Central Asia, who knows where else. Because it feeds their religious impulses and hatreds and vanity. Say this about our politicians, though corrupt they love their hate hate hate for Whites more than truly massive grift.
But big picture you are right - both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Abe, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey
While tourism as your only industry would be depressing, tourism is still much, much better. The foreigners eventually go home and the nation is still yours.
When people stick around and have kids, that is a game changer.
Nah, it’s invading.
The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes–doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag–settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)
Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build.
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
"Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build."
Your ancestors were immigrants--white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @KenH, @Joe862
The "letting oneself" part is equally telling. As if expecting permission itself is racist.
(Which of course it is. All standards are racist, which is why the Crow has none.)
The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes--doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag--settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)
Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation--and its goodies--built by white people that their own people did not build.Replies: @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @nebulafox
“The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes–doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag–settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)”
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
“Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build.”
Your ancestors were immigrants–white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/apollo-11-astronaut-buzz-aldrin-the-american-flag-and-the-lunar-lander-nasa.jpgReplies: @Dumbo, @nebulafox, @Corvinus
Vibrant!
OT – Jewish lady wants to publicly atone for her casual anti-black racism, does so by donating \$ 4 million to a Jewish university:
We need to get better at this sort of stuff. "Yes, you are so right. We are so, so sorry for our terrible, terrible racism ... oh, here are your tickets to Africa/Mexico/El Salvador/Haiti/the D.R./Israel/Arabia/India/China/Korea/Philippines/UK**... Give me your passport".
**UK in there just to cover Mason.Replies: @Rob McX
Gentrification in northern Mexico:
Maniac With Gun Robs Convenience Store. Calm Cowboy Sees Woman In Danger And Acts Fast
The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes--doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag--settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)
Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation--and its goodies--built by white people that their own people did not build.Replies: @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @nebulafox
Corvinus admits that they are only here for the money!
The “letting oneself” part is equally telling. As if expecting permission itself is racist.
(Which of course it is. All standards are racist, which is why the Crow has none.)
The SPLC says that using aqueous metaphors for human migration is inherently demeaning. Have they issued a statement for the NYT yet?
Of late. Descendents of the Cristeros can explain how this wasn’t the case a century ago.
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
"Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build."
Your ancestors were immigrants--white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @KenH, @Joe862
All peoples — damn, all species for heaven’s sake! — contain by necessity the characteristic of life forms that expand and grow onto surrounding territory. Your argument that White people have invented something suggests you agree with me that White people are the most inventive and successful species of life known to anybody.
But you are wrong in this case: we can’t take credit for that. Every human race has done the same thing, just as the weeds on my property do.
The difference you — and also the envious, and the race-hustlers who profit from the envious — can’t seem to discern is that White people (The European Race, shall we say, please, just to get away from our American preoccupation with Black and White) circumnavigated the planet and connected continents. We are simply a magnitude superior to others at doing what everyone does.
This fact bugs the shit out of non-Whites and ignoramuses like you. We are better. A lot better.
Our People even found a way to reach other worlds entirely. We are the only form of life known so far that has done this. The European Race, “White people,” is the only form of life to have literally gone to another world. No one and nothing else has.
Suck it up and meet us on the fucking Moon, moron.
53 Years Ago This Month:
But anyway, Corvinus is a moron, I don't know why anyone replies to him. He's bad even at trolling.
Might makes right. So, what's your counter?
"Your argument that White people have invented something suggests you agree with me that White people are the most inventive and successful species of life known to anybody."
Western/Northern Europeans invented imperialism. Not a great look.
"The difference you — and also the envious, and the race-hustlers who profit from the envious — can’t seem to discern is that White people (The European Race, shall we say, please, just to get away from our American preoccupation with Black and White)"
That is Madison Grant's theory, that there are three distinct "European races", with the Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans on a hierarchy (in that order) according to intelligence and behavioral traits. Where do YOU fit in?
"We are simply a magnitude superior to others at doing what everyone does. This fact bugs the shit out of non-Whites and ignoramuses like you. We are better. A lot better."
The fact of the matter is that "whites" owe much of their advancements to the foundational work of non-whites.
"Suck it up and meet us on the fucking Moon, moron."
We never went to the Moon, You've been duped all these years. So says the conspiracy theorists.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4ox214YLvw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0kz5vEqdaSc
https://edition.cnn.com/style/amp/saudi-arabia-the-line-city-scli-intl/index.htmlReplies: @CCG, @Mike_from_SGV, @Cato
Both commercials leave out the fact that this city is in SAUDI ARABIA and so it’s regulated by Sharia Law (no pork, no alcohol, women shrouded in burqas, etc.).
But the air pollution and altitude made me sick.
I've always heard that Guadalajara is the best Mexican city for 'Mericans to emigrate to.Replies: @Ralph L
oh no
Guadalajara won’t do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MtLJqmxxzU
Mar 17, 2022https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/jeff-skunk-baxter-i-wanted-to-put-some-muscle-in-my-old-school
https://twitter.com/GuitarPlayerNow/status/1551948348785102848
He also covered Do It Again:Do It Again · Skunk Baxter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puDu0K3k9B4
Jun 16, 2022
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
"Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build."
Your ancestors were immigrants--white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @KenH, @Joe862
Thriving civilizations that indulged in practices like ripping the beating hearts out of people, flaying them alive, and hanging them upside down over fires so that their heads popped like melons.
Vibrant!
OT – Four doctors in the Greater Toronto area die within one week. Three of them in one hospital system that just introduced the fourth COVID booster shot the week before – two of those still rather young:
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-hospitals-confirm-deaths-of-four-physicians-but-deny-vaccine-related
This is completely normal. There is nothing to remark upon here.
High Quality Health Care ?
You ain‘t gonna‘ find that in the US. We are at the bottom of health care quality. Anyone who has had treatment overseas knows this.
Anecdote: Alessio Fasano, MD, from Italy, pediatric gastroenterologist.
Italy has known about celiac disease since WWII and Italy does a good job of making gluten-free food available.
During medical school circa 1980 in Italy, Dr. Fasano's mentor told him, If the parent and child come in, parent's got bags under eyes, stressed out, hair in the air, and the kid is pissed off, [irritability is a major sign] it's celiac disease until proven otherwise.
When Dr. Fasano immigrated to America in early 2000s, he looked around his office. "Where are all my celiac patients?" "Oh," he was told by American pediatric GI society, "We don't have celiac in America." [Confirmation bias: it's rare, so don't test for it. If you don't test for it, you won't find it; so you will think, it's rare so don't test for it.]
Dr. Fasano went, "Hmmm." And ordered 10,000 units of blood from random American blood banks, ran the celiac blood test. His landmark study found the same frequency of celiac in America as Italy, about 1 percent.
Immigrant gastroenterologists from Italy: Doing the jobs American gastroenterologists won't.
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/apollo-11-astronaut-buzz-aldrin-the-american-flag-and-the-lunar-lander-nasa.jpgReplies: @Dumbo, @nebulafox, @Corvinus
Kubrick did a good job on that moon hoax, true, wonderful use of lenses and studios, but wouldn’t that count more as a Jewish achievement than an European one?
But anyway, Corvinus is a moron, I don’t know why anyone replies to him. He’s bad even at trolling.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4ox214YLvw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0kz5vEqdaSc
https://edition.cnn.com/style/amp/saudi-arabia-the-line-city-scli-intl/index.htmlReplies: @CCG, @Mike_from_SGV, @Cato
The line…this sounds like cool sci fi stuff we thought our future would be like, instead of vagrant tent cities, BLM criminality, and woke theocracy.
Ha ha, well said.
Liberal ideas are non- commutative. “Principles” that are applied for sneaking into the US from Mexico are not applicable for sneaking into Mexico from the US.
OT — CDC updates its database software; funnily enough, stuff goes missing.
https://archive.ph/Bpdzk
To be fair, this is actually pretty close to true. The implicit argument people make for open borders is basically that poor countries don’t have enough people with talent – so let’s move all the poor people to First World countries. That solution only impoverishes the First World countries and does little or nothing to help the poor ones. Instead of moving poor people to our countries, let’s move some educated people to the poor ones. That’s a solution that actually helps poor countries improve. I’m not sure that “career coaches” are exactly what Mexico needs, but the general idea has merit.
But taking all the smart people out of India and Africa is "inclusive," and it pisses off those yucky "racists." Nevermind that those immigrants never go hoje to help their own people. You must be racist for noticing that.
But big picture you are right - both over tourism and immigration undermine native cultures, drive up housing costs and radically distort the job market in ways that are harmful for most natives.
*For a long time Greece was notorious for indifferent service, especially compared to Turkey, I always thought this actually spoke highly of the Greeks. Unfortunately the younger generation seems to be getting with the globalization program.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Abe, @AnotherDad, @Wilkey
You know, there is a simple solution to that: produce something useful that people want that doesn’t require you to cater to tourists.
The Expat parts of Mexico City, la Roma and la Condesa are really nice. Profirió Díaz built those areas to look like Paris with beautiful boulevards and parks.
So if you have a six figure income in the USA, you have the Mexico City experience that finance guys get in New York City.
Meanwhile, most workers commute in an hour plus from the high crime and poor periphery. But those aren’t the people complaining here. The people complaining are the Mexican upper-middle class who dreamed of making it to Condesa, and now all these gringo expats are making their dream impossible.
Learn to spell pendejo; it’s “Yanqui”.
The white man: Not allowed to stay; not allowed to leave.Replies: @Rob McX
More accurately: “Whitey – can’t live with him, can’t live without him”.
I only wish non-whites would dislike us enough to stay out of our countries. As it is, they only dislike us enough not to want us taking over theirs (and I don’t blame them).
Too late; I can now get me some grasshopper tacos today.
Gringo yt and the frito bandito wetback are a match made in heaven.
Guadalajara won't doReplies: @MEH 0910
New Skunk Baxter cover version:
My Old School · Skunk Baxter
Mar 17, 2022
https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/jeff-skunk-baxter-i-wanted-to-put-some-muscle-in-my-old-school
He also covered Do It Again:
Do It Again · Skunk Baxter
Jun 16, 2022
OT
On 28 February, less than a week after the SMO/invasion began, Simon Jenkins in the Guardian opined that sanctions on Russia wouldn’t work.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/sanctions-dont-work-diplomacy-stop-putin-russia-ukraine
Simon Jenkins is an old-fashioned Guardian liberal, an expert on church architecture. He hasn’t realised yet that “the religion set forth by Twitter” is now what the Guardianista follows. He was roundly panned by the Guardian commentariat.
Undaunted, he returned to the fray on March 11, pointing out that forcing, say, BP to sell its Russian assets cheaply wasn’t a great move.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/11/russia-sanctions-boris-johnson-vladimir-putin-ukraine
The Guardian wisely kept comments closed. As their Coalition Of The Fringes fissures, the Tesla-driving classes rejoice in £2 a litre fuel, which will force the plebs to adopt windmills and solar panels! The mentally-fragile 35 year old female class doesn’t seem interested in these male squabbles and are absent in the debate.
He returned to the fray on May 30
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/30/eu-forget-sanctions-russia-ukraine-food-energy-prices
And once again the commentariat rise as one against any compromise with The New Hitler.
“The one thing l have learnt from history is one should never appease brutal dictators.”
It’s July 29 and our hero returns to the fray. Comments off again.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/29/putin-ruble-west-sanctions-russia-europe
Incidentally, I am being bombarded with Oxfam letters (I occasionally donate) telling me there is a potential disaster brewing in Ethiopia (whose population has doubled since Live Aid in 1985) and Kenya, which IIRC actually produces quite a lot of food for British supermarkets.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/cost-neglect-half-million-people-across-east-africa-brink-famine
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
"Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build."
Your ancestors were immigrants--white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @KenH, @Joe862
Certain MesoAmerican peoples yes to a certain extent . Indians on the on the current U.S. land mass no and it was largely subsistence level and raiding other Indian tribes.
You said you were of European descent so they are YOUR ancestors, too. So is this line the Jew in you talking? Why does he have to go back but you don’t?
The Iroquois Confederacy and the Five "Civilized Tribes" say differently.
"You said you were of European descent so they are YOUR ancestors, too. So is this line the Jew in you talking? Why does he have to go back but you don’t?"
German (mid-1800's), Polish (late 1800's), and Dutch (mid-1700's). No Jewish blood in me. Pure Goy. Sure, let's all go back.Replies: @KenH
Vastly important point.
When people stick around and have kids, that is a game changer.
Personally I think climate change is happening and it's probably significantly due to human behavior. But I don't want to give our rulers any more power over anything.Replies: @Travis
the Climate is always changing. The Roman Warm Period was 2°C warmer than today. Sea levels were higher during the peak of the Roman Climate Optimum period when the Mediterranean sea was several degrees warmer than today. The Roman Empire coincided with a 500-year period, from AD 1 to AD 500, that was the warmest period of the last 2,000 years
Hopefully we get back to the climate we had during the Roman Climate Optimum when humans thrived under the warmer climate. Unfortunately the greens want us to return to the climate we experienced during the mini-ice-age when the Thames routinely froze each year and crop yields were far lower due to lower temperatures and lower levels of CO2
What you’re describing is colonialism. Third worlders want to go back to colonialism but without the low self-esteem that goes with it. They’re dying to get to someplace ruled by the colonizers.
Primitive in regards to the use of technology. Regardless, your ancestors were immigrants who spoiled a virgin land for mammon. The indigenous folks already had thriving civilizations.
"Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation–and its goodies–built by white people that their own people did not build."
Your ancestors were immigrants--white people who committed genocide for raw materials. You should go back.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Mr. Anon, @KenH, @Joe862
The “indigenous” certainly displaced each other a million times. Look up aztec ritual sacrifice to get a peak at the brutality. The difference is literacy. They don’t have written history so we don’t know exactly how and when the various tribes “colonized” each other. The whole thing is so silly.
Ironically, quite a bit of history was preserved in Hawaii which had no written language. There were people whose job is was to memorize historical events from the first settlement a thousand years prior. The Haole missionaries got as much of the history written down before all these men died of disease as they could.Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox, @nebulafox
That would be “colonialism” which is “racist.”
But taking all the smart people out of India and Africa is “inclusive,” and it pisses off those yucky “racists.” Nevermind that those immigrants never go hoje to help their own people. You must be racist for noticing that.
Yes, I was also taught that the US medical system is the best, but that was clearly wrong in some important respects. It’s arrogant and ignorant to tout the US medical system as clearly better than other medical insurance/benefit systems for people who are not wealthy.
The US is an overrated dying country and it treats its working, taxpaying citizens like garbage with regard to healthcare and much else. (For example, here in California the State taxes us to provide “free” medical, dental and child care to NON-citizens, including illegal aliens aka “undocumented immigrants”, yet our family doesn’t get any of those things from the State. We just pay and shut up, doing without important medical treatment when necessary. Then to make things better, we’re told by uninformed rah-rah ‘Merica tools that “surely the expats will come running back here for the great healthcare.”
I’ll be going abroad for both medical and dental treatment that I can’t readily afford in the USA. To Hell with this out-of-touch rose-colored glasses view of US “healthcare.” It’s not affordable and hence not there for many of us when we truly need it.
I can either get the medical treatment I need OR invest for retirement and kids’ college, not both. For other people who earn less, the choice is starker, between medical care and housing/utilities/vehicle.
** How about this American couple JP and Amelia? They moved to Ecuador nearly 5 years ago, precisely because the husband has received affordable essential spinal surgery and treatment that they could never afford in the USA. They’re planning to seek citizenship in Ecuador and never return to the USA. Good for them:
“Escape the US Healthcare Scam – We Did”
“The Real Reason We Left the US and Can’t Go Back”
F—- the US medical profiteers and everyone who insists on pretending that our system works for our people — just because nobody in their family apparently has needed care he can’t afford (yet) in this “great” and “rich country.
I’m a staunch opponent of mass non-European immigration into the USA, and a supporter of an indefinite moratorium on immigration from less-compatible cultures, but let’s be accurate. Millions of competent, self-supporting, civilized middle-class Mexicans have settled in the USA. The San Antonio, Texas area, for instance, is full of such people.
But yes, we also get tens of millions of lower-skilled, uneducated immigrants, both legal and illegal, whom we don’t need, who continue the cultural and linguistic balkanization of our country, whose children dumb down our schools and consume far more than their parents pay in taxes, and for whom we will not have adequate jobs.
Another piece of anecdotal evidence: we live in LA, and my physical therapist has owned a vacation/weekend home in Baja California (Rosarito by the border) for several decades without any incident whatsoever. A dental hygienist we know rented an apartment down by La Paz, in Baja CA Sur, about two years ago — no problems yet.
I’d sooner live in the better parts of Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, etc., than in most neighborhoods in most US cities, and I’m not talking about just the biggest US cities either. There are safe, stable places in the USA and all these countries, and it’s time to stop ignoring the systemic violence, intimidation, and depressing unhygienic feces urine filth noise menace that pollute our former public spaces in HUNDREDS of US cities, while talking about how bad everywhere else is.
My wife and I have recently added Mexico to our short list of places to explore and maybe seek permanent residence. And we’re no longer waiting for retirement. Currently, this country is going down hard. We hope that changes soon but doubt it.
There are Americans who have moved to coastal central America. I think more should, I’d definitely think about it.
Oh by the way The Covington A-hole lost his defamation suits
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sandmann-phillips-media-defamation-case-b2132657.html
HAHAHAHAHHA
ESADReplies: @Haddwdgggf, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rocko
Ok then monkey
The difference is my ancestors invaded America to conquer the land from more primitive tribes--doing less dense hunter-gathering and limited ag--settle it and build their own civilization. (I.e. they came for the land.)
Immigrants are coming to glom onto a nation--and its goodies--built by white people that their own people did not build.Replies: @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @nebulafox
One interesting thing I’ve learned over the past year is how the indigenous populations of Siberia and Central Asia were decimated by smallpox due to Russian and Chinese expansion, respectively, around the same time as European consolidation of the Americas took place. Just as in the Western hemisphere, their relative isolation from the big Eurasian disease pools spelled doom. So, what happened with the European conquest of the Americas might have been unique in terms of scale, but certainly not nature.
In any case, using the fate of the natives of the Americas as an argument *in favor of* open borders is a… curious line of logic. To put it mildly.
Part of the reason Cortes conquered so swiftly was because of all the natives that flocked to his banner to take down the hated Aztecs. They manipulated him as much as he manipulated them. Some of the hostile incidents that occurred during 1520-1521-massacre at Cholula, for example-were probably engineered by the indigenous allies of the Spaniards to ensure that the Aztecs would go down.
When you get right down to it, the Inquisition-era Spaniards and the Aztecs really deserved each other. I’m only being semi-sarcastic: the parallels in terms of the militaristic, quasi-theocratic culture hammered out in centuries of warfare aren’t all that dissimilar. The main difference was level of sophistication, not “kindness”, for lack of a better word.
It reminds me of the parallels between the Normans and the Turks in the medieval world. Despite being different in terms of religion and style of warfare (heavy knights vs light horse archers), in terms of their MO, the two were remarkably similar. In particular, their relatively decentralized political structures gave them a degree of swiftness that allowed them to easily “hijack” societies once they slipped into the bloodstream and scored a victory or two. I’m sure part of that was because both of them had the same origin story: hired pagan guns that adopted the more sophisticated religion and culture of their clients, but retained their Viking or steppe DNA in terms of their ruthless military skill.
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Imagine telling a kid 40 years ago that the USSR was going to collapse in less than a decade, but instead of going to Mars, we opted as a society to create TikTok.
One thing I can’t escape when looking at videos of the 1980s or 1990s was not just the optimism (and relative good health) of the people, but how much more people looked to a healthy, optimistic *future* than today. To the stars, to the rising sun rather than the setting sun. America was where the future was forged. That’s what we do well, and we should have kept to it. We haven’t, for all the hyper-modernist garb of our new government favored cult.
There were 36,056,614 arrivals at Mexico City International Airport in 2021, according to Wikipedia. So, yeah, 1.2 million foreigners in 4 months, suggesting about 10% of yearly arrivals, doesn’t seem particularly high for a capital city.
“Indians on the on the current U.S. land mass no and it was largely subsistence level and raiding other Indian tribes.”
The Iroquois Confederacy and the Five “Civilized Tribes” say differently.
“You said you were of European descent so they are YOUR ancestors, too. So is this line the Jew in you talking? Why does he have to go back but you don’t?”
German (mid-1800’s), Polish (late 1800’s), and Dutch (mid-1700’s). No Jewish blood in me. Pure Goy. Sure, let’s all go back.
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“All peoples — damn, all species for heaven’s sake! — contain by necessity the characteristic of life forms that expand and grow onto surrounding territory.”
Might makes right. So, what’s your counter?
“Your argument that White people have invented something suggests you agree with me that White people are the most inventive and successful species of life known to anybody.”
Western/Northern Europeans invented imperialism. Not a great look.
“The difference you — and also the envious, and the race-hustlers who profit from the envious — can’t seem to discern is that White people (The European Race, shall we say, please, just to get away from our American preoccupation with Black and White)”
That is Madison Grant’s theory, that there are three distinct “European races”, with the Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans on a hierarchy (in that order) according to intelligence and behavioral traits. Where do YOU fit in?
“We are simply a magnitude superior to others at doing what everyone does. This fact bugs the shit out of non-Whites and ignoramuses like you. We are better. A lot better.”
The fact of the matter is that “whites” owe much of their advancements to the foundational work of non-whites.
“Suck it up and meet us on the fucking Moon, moron.”
We never went to the Moon, You’ve been duped all these years. So says the conspiracy theorists.
Laugh all you want, but their long selection for tribalism–unapologetic tribalism and verbalist chutzpah–has them here kicking our ass and making us apologize for our “racism” … of building great stuff and letting them come here.
We need to get better at this sort of stuff. “Yes, you are so right. We are so, so sorry for our terrible, terrible racism … oh, here are your tickets to Africa/Mexico/El Salvador/Haiti/the D.R./Israel/Arabia/India/China/Korea/Philippines/UK**… Give me your passport”.
**UK in there just to cover Mason.
Thank goodness we aren’t sending our best people.
The US Government can announce they’ll double the welfare benefits and pay the travel expenses of anyone who emigrates to Mexico. That’ll solve the gentrification complaint.
Meanwhile, Mexico is not sending their illegal alien best.
As a side-note, America is not for everyone.
Many illegals get to this country, and with no measurable or unique skills, proceed to fail miserably, and wind up as professional outliers. Picking through garbage for recyclables, prostitution, push-cart entrepreneurship, providing drug drop stations, and even operate as a drop station for the current illegal scourge, putting new illegals up in their garages, etc.
Everything America doesn’t want or need that take up a city’s time and taxpayer money to eradicate.
This presumed illegal “Connecticut mom” realized if you’re a loser in Mexico, chances are you’ll be a loser in the United States, and decided to self-deport… into infinity, taking her kids with her, proving once again the liberal mindset that enables these poor wretches to crawl up upon our shores is driven by a dark, dark heart:
https://nypost.com/2022/07/29/connecticut-mom-in-murder-suicide-left-note-for-husband/
In fact, there were written languages. The Spaniards burned as many “heathen” books as they could.
Ironically, quite a bit of history was preserved in Hawaii which had no written language. There were people whose job is was to memorize historical events from the first settlement a thousand years prior. The Haole missionaries got as much of the history written down before all these men died of disease as they could.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_Codex
Sahagun was an interesting figure. They call him the first anthropologist. What struck me was how he seemed to be the first human being to truly observe how elements of previous cultures survive on a new graft. Wonder if he ever pondered how Romans in the 3rd Century encountering Christianity might have been similar.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_Codex
Sahagun was an interesting figure. They call him the first anthropologist. What struck me was how he seemed to be the first human being to truly observe how elements of previous cultures survive on a new graft.
The Iroquois Confederacy and the Five "Civilized Tribes" say differently.
"You said you were of European descent so they are YOUR ancestors, too. So is this line the Jew in you talking? Why does he have to go back but you don’t?"
German (mid-1800's), Polish (late 1800's), and Dutch (mid-1700's). No Jewish blood in me. Pure Goy. Sure, let's all go back.Replies: @KenH
And what technological and civilizational achievements did they bring to the world other than internecine war?
No, let’s you go back since you are a guilt ridden, non-white worshipping leftard.
Concepts of government.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/.amp/archive/american-history-myths-debunked-no-native-influence-on-founding-fathers
“No, let’s you go back since you are a guilt ridden, non-white worshipping leftard“
More like an educated American man who makes his own decisions about race and culture.Replies: @JSM
Ironically, quite a bit of history was preserved in Hawaii which had no written language. There were people whose job is was to memorize historical events from the first settlement a thousand years prior. The Haole missionaries got as much of the history written down before all these men died of disease as they could.Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox, @nebulafox
It also should be noted that it is thanks to the Church that we have records at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_Codex
Sahagun was an interesting figure. They call him the first anthropologist. What struck me was how he seemed to be the first human being to truly observe how elements of previous cultures survive on a new graft. Wonder if he ever pondered how Romans in the 3rd Century encountering Christianity might have been similar.
Ironically, quite a bit of history was preserved in Hawaii which had no written language. There were people whose job is was to memorize historical events from the first settlement a thousand years prior. The Haole missionaries got as much of the history written down before all these men died of disease as they could.Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox, @nebulafox
It also should be noted that it is thanks to the Church that we have records at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_Codex
Sahagun was an interesting figure. They call him the first anthropologist. What struck me was how he seemed to be the first human being to truly observe how elements of previous cultures survive on a new graft.
Ironically, quite a bit of history was preserved in Hawaii which had no written language. There were people whose job is was to memorize historical events from the first settlement a thousand years prior. The Haole missionaries got as much of the history written down before all these men died of disease as they could.Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox, @nebulafox
My comment got a bit wonky there…
My main point was that suppression of indigenous culture was mostly about practical political subjugation than a religious desire to eradicate it totally, per se: the Mexican administration would eventually develop a proto-reservation system of sorts with remaining native tribes, which is why you still have Nahuatl speakers in Mexico today. The difference is subtle for the Spanish in particular, given the nature of the country in the post-Reconquista era (they had a religious situation no other European country shared by then-the legacy of the rump Umayyad caliphate and multiple centuries of grind warfare with them), but it is there. The missionaries were smart enough to understand that conversion would require a deeper understanding of how indigenous culture worked.
What truly demographically changed the Americas was disease. Nobody could have predicted that most future Mexicans would be mestizos in the initial decades following the conquest, and policies with indigenous culture followed that.
We need to get better at this sort of stuff. "Yes, you are so right. We are so, so sorry for our terrible, terrible racism ... oh, here are your tickets to Africa/Mexico/El Salvador/Haiti/the D.R./Israel/Arabia/India/China/Korea/Philippines/UK**... Give me your passport".
**UK in there just to cover Mason.Replies: @Rob McX
You’re taking the Monroe Doctrine a bit too seriously.
“And what technological and civilizational achievements did they bring to the world other than internecine war?“
Concepts of government.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/.amp/archive/american-history-myths-debunked-no-native-influence-on-founding-fathers
“No, let’s you go back since you are a guilt ridden, non-white worshipping leftard“
More like an educated American man who makes his own decisions about race and culture.
(Bonus fun fact: in Spain they don't say "gringo" at all. The equivalent expression there is "guiri.")Replies: @Guest007, @AndrewR, @Tiny Duck, @Reg Cæsar, @Haddwdgggf, @Cato
The pejorative in Mexico (and the US) is “gabacho”.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4ox214YLvw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0kz5vEqdaSc
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Very cool. Thanks for posting. But that part about “the Line” being 500 m tall — that is not doable with current technology.
What would be the cherry on the top would be a photo of a White top 10% Mexican complaining about “white people” moving into Mexico…
I doubt the Castizo elites would be that upset about “peninsulares” Whites moving in from Spain. Mexicans are not complaining about race, but ethnicity and culture. On the plus side for Mexicans, most of these Anglo hipster immigrants are clearly genetic dead ends and so the problem will resolve itself within 1-2 generations. It’s when WASP middle and lower class families with kids (and also openly homosexual couples) start moving in that should set off Mexican alarm bells. These arrivistes will team up with local libtards to try to wokify local institutions (media, academia, government, etc.) and push Magic Dirt Theory in order to justify their continued unnecessary presence.
Grasshopper walks into a bar. Bartender says, “we have a drink named after you!” Grasshopper says, “you have a drink named ‘Leonard’?”
You ain‘t gonna‘ find that in the US. We are at the bottom of health care quality. Anyone who has had treatment overseas knows this.Replies: @JSM
Aye.
Anecdote: Alessio Fasano, MD, from Italy, pediatric gastroenterologist.
Italy has known about celiac disease since WWII and Italy does a good job of making gluten-free food available.
During medical school circa 1980 in Italy, Dr. Fasano’s mentor told him, If the parent and child come in, parent’s got bags under eyes, stressed out, hair in the air, and the kid is pissed off, [irritability is a major sign] it’s celiac disease until proven otherwise.
When Dr. Fasano immigrated to America in early 2000s, he looked around his office. “Where are all my celiac patients?” “Oh,” he was told by American pediatric GI society, “We don’t have celiac in America.” [Confirmation bias: it’s rare, so don’t test for it. If you don’t test for it, you won’t find it; so you will think, it’s rare so don’t test for it.]
Dr. Fasano went, “Hmmm.” And ordered 10,000 units of blood from random American blood banks, ran the celiac blood test. His landmark study found the same frequency of celiac in America as Italy, about 1 percent.
Immigrant gastroenterologists from Italy: Doing the jobs American gastroenterologists won’t.
Concepts of government.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/.amp/archive/american-history-myths-debunked-no-native-influence-on-founding-fathers
“No, let’s you go back since you are a guilt ridden, non-white worshipping leftard“
More like an educated American man who makes his own decisions about race and culture.Replies: @JSM
So, when does your boat leave? Bon voyage.