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https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1207856164228272128

ALCINDOR: The United States is expected to be majority nonwhite within a generation. What do you say to white Americans who are uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a racial minority, even if you don’t share their concerns?

Sen. KLOBUCHAR: I say this is America. You’re looking at it. And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy.

Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …

However, the part of that same sentence about the point of a more perfect union being to benefit “our posterity” is racist.

By the way, this 2019 statement by the Democratic Minnesota Senator is reminiscent of the 2015 statement by the Democratic Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton, scion of the Target store and Rockefeller oil fortunes:

“Our economy cannot expand based on white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens. We don’t have enough,” Dayton said.

As I wrote then:

And don’t get the Governor of Minnesota started on white, C+, Minnesota-born citizens. Why are they even allowed to exist? (I mean other than to to consume a lot of crap sold by the Dayton-Rockefeller family businesses, Target and ExxonMobil?)

But seriously, how can Target sell more toilet paper without Minnesota taxpayers paying to import the surplus population of the Mad Max zones of the Horn of Africa? Think about it! Haven’t you studied demographics!

As you know, the governor swears an oath to uphold The Economy, to help The Economy be all it can be. If the current B+ population of Minnesota isn’t living up to The Economy’s needs, then it’s governor’s legal obligation to do something about the current population. Maybe it needs to be vibrantized with some A+ people from East Africa. If some of the white, B+, Minnesota-born citizens don’t like the governor doing what needs to be done to maximize toilet paper and gasoline sales, they can move to some state that’s only 1% minority. The important thing is: Think of The Economy.

 
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  1. I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then – those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers, so there’s no way they’ll be able to compete.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @silviosilver

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China? Most manufacturing is done over there.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @bigdicknick
    @silviosilver

    The Chad Amerimutt vs. the Virgin 106 IQ Han

    , @anonymous
    @silviosilver

    Due to China's lack of diversity at the top rung of ideas and building, it might only be able to get to 50% per capita of what America has. Not bad but certainly short of being the greatest country ever.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    , @AnotherDad
    @silviosilver


    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then – those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers, so there’s no way they’ll be able to compete.
     
    This is an important point.

    The minoritarians are not going to "win", if win means dominate the world.

    If "win" means wrecking white gentile nations ... then yes, they do seem on track to accomplish that.

    But then those new "diverse!"--rather than "Western"--nations become mediocre and uncompetitive--Brazilish--and will lose technological competitiveness to any high-IQ nation that refuses to commit suicide.

    (The only real kicker here is whether some sort of genetic manipulation will come and allow people to get smarter, more conscientious, etc. before existing HBD mosaic and immigrationism drags the West down and allows East Asian dominance.)
  2. istevefan says:

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …

    If only the verbiage of the Naturalization Act of 1790 had been included in the body of the Constitution, which was written barely three years prior. Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared. Yet unfortunately for us they failed to make this distinction.

    Of course they were correct about so much that it’s hard to blame them on this. They clearly were interested in demographics and sought to preserve our nation as shown by making the naturalization act one of first issues tackled by the first congress. Yet this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Mr. Grey
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @istevefan


    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared.
     
    Indeed. Many of the same people who gave us the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), which passed in the House by a 5-1 margin, also fought in the war that freed the slaves. But the Chinese Exclusion Act was, allegedly, one of the most racist things ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @anonymous
    @istevefan


    The noun verbiage, meaning an excess of words, has negative connotations. When one refers to the verbiage of a piece of text, this implies that the text is wordy, impenetrable, or pretentious. The word is not traditionally synonymous with neutral words such as text, words, wording, or content, though it is sometimes used this way.
     

    Replies: @donut

    , @jsm
    @istevefan


    this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.
     
    Horse puckies.

    It's not the Founders' fault due to their "oversight" that they "failed to make a distinction" or something like that. It's solely due to the jibber-jabber of anti-Whites who don't WANT America to be mostly White, who make up lies that somehow, because some non-Whites were allowed in at some point in the past, that every non-White in the world therefore has a right to come here and if the descendants of the Founders don't like it, too bad.
    It wouldn't matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they've jibber-jabbered their way past "our posterity."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @istevefan


    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington.
     
    Many of them, including George Washington, also owned slaves. And the Constitution explicitly had several pro-slavery clauses that protected slavery and promoted slave ownership. But that didn't stop slavery from eventually ending. That's because the philosophy of liberalism and individual rights that informed the development of the Constitution baked in a leftward trajectory to the country that meant inconsistencies such as slavery or exclusionary restrictions would tend to be resolved in ways that favored liberal or leftist results.

    John Quincy Adams, who was a former President and whose father John Adams was also a former President and a Founding Father that had helped draft the Declaration of Independence, cited the Declaration to defend a group of captive Africans during the Amistad case. The Supreme Court ruled 7-1 in favor of the captive Africans. Adams argued that the principles upon which the Declaration of Independence was based also applied to some random Africans. Moreover, he said that the President of the United States would be a tyrant like George III whom the Founders rebelled against if the President were allowed to violate the freedom of these random Africans and that the liberty of American citizens would be in jeopardy. In other words, if these random Africans are not free, then Americans are not free, and presumably no one else is either. This same philosophy is behind the expansion of citizenship and the franchise and various rights.

    The liberal philosophy behind the Constitution is the problem.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  3. Klobalism.

    • Replies: @CrunchyButRealistCon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Amerikwa has not yet learned how to be Klobalist.
    It is in the throes of a transformation, and without that transformation, the Economy won't survive.

  4. What do you say to white Americans who are uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a racial minority, even if you don’t share their concerns?….I say this is America. You’re looking at it.

    Which “America” are we looking at? The America that was essential in fighting and winning history’s largest two front war despite being almost entirely white, or the America which despite being blessed with more immigrants than France has people now has annual trillion dollar budget deficits, a pathetically low birth rate, a pathetically high illegitimacy rate, and falling life expectancies for whites?

    What a wonderful America all this immigration and liberal self-hate has given us.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Wilkey

    "What a wonderful America all this immigration and liberal self-hate has given us."

    Oh, it's not "Self-hate", they adore themselves, it's the rest of America they hate.

  5. @silviosilver
    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then - those fools aren't about to open their country to all comers, so there's no way they'll be able to compete.

    Replies: @Kronos, @bigdicknick, @anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China? Most manufacturing is done over there.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Realist
    @Kronos


    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China?
     
    Do you really think China is stupid enough to accept that?

    Replies: @Kronos

  6. @istevefan

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …
     
    If only the verbiage of the Naturalization Act of 1790 had been included in the body of the Constitution, which was written barely three years prior. Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared. Yet unfortunately for us they failed to make this distinction.

    Of course they were correct about so much that it's hard to blame them on this. They clearly were interested in demographics and sought to preserve our nation as shown by making the naturalization act one of first issues tackled by the first congress. Yet this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @anonymous, @jsm, @Anonymous

    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared.

    Indeed. Many of the same people who gave us the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), which passed in the House by a 5-1 margin, also fought in the war that freed the slaves. But the Chinese Exclusion Act was, allegedly, one of the most racist things ever.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    Many of the same people who gave us the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), which passed in the House by a 5-1 margin, also fought in the war that freed the slaves. But the Chinese Exclusion Act was, allegedly, one of the most racist things ever.
     
    The same five guys decided Plessy v Ferguson and Wong Kim Ark. Mention that to your friendly neighborhood prog, or immigration advocate.

    John Marshall Harlan was the only one who dissented to both decisions. Harlan disliked Asians, but thought we owed something to blacks. He was once a slaveholding Kentucky Unionist.
  7. “And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy, strike that, I meant to say part of our education system.”

    Doing the jobs we refuse to do:

    • LOL: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @bomag
    @danand


    ...part of our education system
     
    Indeed.

    They could expand domestic choices by hiring people without teaching degrees but who are otherwise as capable. But the teaching-industrial-complex must maintain their tyranny.

    Replies: @Medvedev

    , @Anon
    @danand

    What I think is unspoken is that in the Philippines someone, a dean?, a parent?, beats the living crap out of any misbehaving student, and the worst ones are probably kicked out of school.

    Imagine if that school district had any black students! Poor woman.

    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    @danand

    That was a nice piece. Seems like all parties benefitted.

    Build the Wall.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @danand

    Obviously, this is a pretty sweet girl, and that is exactly the face the elites want to put on immigrants. She is hardly the type of good citizen anyone wants to keep out. Duh, but we aren't just getting 2,000 sweet teachers each year. We are getting over a million total losers, plus a few nice people like her. No one is complaining that we are getting a few thousand nice people per year. We are complaining that we are getting millions of welfare folks who will never contribute what they cost and who are filing prisons after they abuse the public.

    Build the wall. Deport illegals and any that are on public assistance.

  8. @Wilkey
    @istevefan


    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared.
     
    Indeed. Many of the same people who gave us the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), which passed in the House by a 5-1 margin, also fought in the war that freed the slaves. But the Chinese Exclusion Act was, allegedly, one of the most racist things ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Many of the same people who gave us the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), which passed in the House by a 5-1 margin, also fought in the war that freed the slaves. But the Chinese Exclusion Act was, allegedly, one of the most racist things ever.

    The same five guys decided Plessy v Ferguson and Wong Kim Ark. Mention that to your friendly neighborhood prog, or immigration advocate.

    John Marshall Harlan was the only one who dissented to both decisions. Harlan disliked Asians, but thought we owed something to blacks. He was once a slaveholding Kentucky Unionist.

  9. I think most people have heard of “Minnesota Nice.” Methinks Amy is Minnesota Dumb.

    • Replies: @Sol
    @Enemy of Earth

    She is (((Minnesotan))).

  10. Cherry-picking some of the smartest foreigners might help our economy; the <100 IQ types, not so much.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Redneck farmer


    Cherry-picking some of the smartest foreigners might help our economy...
     
    Yes, but it's looking like we have to give up nice things in exchange for economy; a poor choice.
    , @Dumbo
    @Redneck farmer

    I tend to disagree even with this view. Importing high IQ people has two problems, one, you create a brain drain in the countries where immigrants come from, two, you create more competition in your own country. What's wrong with prioritizing native peoples, independently of their IQ?

    Replies: @Chris Renner

  11. Isn’t what she’s saying the conventional wisdom of both parties for the past 20 years at least?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jean Ralphio Jr.

    Yes, exactly, but the work, she is never finished.

  12. Just wait until the majority minority start doing hard time for Hate Crimes committed against Trans-Americans (the only true Americans according to a plaque erected outside of an SF bar) and they’ll be begging White people to start building, running, and maintaining Nuclear Power Plants to keep a charge going on their Teslas.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Johnny789

    The Jews will have millions of Asian minions to do things like that, and Asian definitely includes Indians for this purpose.

    , @Known Fact
    @Johnny789

    Tesla's new model: The Klobucar

  13. Welcome to the United States of Whatever.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @RichardTaylor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1zvhJRIM7M

  14. Funny then that China – which at this very moment is experiencing the greatest accumulation of wealth ever experienced in the history of our species, and indeed ever likely to be experienced – is resolutely 95% + Han, and the other 5% bring strictly indigenous populations.

  15. anonymous[636] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …
     
    If only the verbiage of the Naturalization Act of 1790 had been included in the body of the Constitution, which was written barely three years prior. Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared. Yet unfortunately for us they failed to make this distinction.

    Of course they were correct about so much that it's hard to blame them on this. They clearly were interested in demographics and sought to preserve our nation as shown by making the naturalization act one of first issues tackled by the first congress. Yet this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @anonymous, @jsm, @Anonymous

    The noun verbiage, meaning an excess of words, has negative connotations. When one refers to the verbiage of a piece of text, this implies that the text is wordy, impenetrable, or pretentious. The word is not traditionally synonymous with neutral words such as text, words, wording, or content, though it is sometimes used this way.

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @donut
    @anonymous

    I don't think he's a troll . I also thought it was an odd choice . It doesn't change the meaning . Another meaning of verbiage is : manner of expressing oneself in words .

  16. @istevefan

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …
     
    If only the verbiage of the Naturalization Act of 1790 had been included in the body of the Constitution, which was written barely three years prior. Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared. Yet unfortunately for us they failed to make this distinction.

    Of course they were correct about so much that it's hard to blame them on this. They clearly were interested in demographics and sought to preserve our nation as shown by making the naturalization act one of first issues tackled by the first congress. Yet this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @anonymous, @jsm, @Anonymous

    this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    Horse puckies.

    It’s not the Founders’ fault due to their “oversight” that they “failed to make a distinction” or something like that. It’s solely due to the jibber-jabber of anti-Whites who don’t WANT America to be mostly White, who make up lies that somehow, because some non-Whites were allowed in at some point in the past, that every non-White in the world therefore has a right to come here and if the descendants of the Founders don’t like it, too bad.
    It wouldn’t matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they’ve jibber-jabbered their way past “our posterity.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jsm


    It wouldn’t matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they’ve jibber-jabbered their way past “our posterity.”
     
    A strict interpretation of "our posterity" would also exclude many whites, which obviously is not the intent of those who invoke those words today.

    The liberal, individualist philosophy behind the Constitution meant that there would be a bias towards expanding and extending rights over time, regardless of whatever else the Founders might have written or done. This is why most people don't have a problem with the abolition of slavery and extension of rights to blacks, despite many of the Founders having approved of and practiced slavery themselves. This is also why many in the American far-right have traditionally turned to illiberal political philosophies from Europe, because the liberal, individualist Enlightenment philosophy of the founding is not sufficient to support a right-wing, traditionalist, group based political order and philosophy.

    If the Founding and Constitution had been based on a philosophy of racialism rather than Enlightenment liberalism and individualism, then most people would have recognized that abolition and the expansion and extension of rights over time were a revolutionary break with the principles of the Constitution. But because of Enlightenment liberalism, most people today regard the extension of rights as not only compatible with the Constitution, but its proper fulfillment.

    Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog

  17. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Our Constitution says that we strive for a more perfect union. …
     
    If only the verbiage of the Naturalization Act of 1790 had been included in the body of the Constitution, which was written barely three years prior. Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington. So it obviously was a sentiment they shared. Yet unfortunately for us they failed to make this distinction.

    Of course they were correct about so much that it's hard to blame them on this. They clearly were interested in demographics and sought to preserve our nation as shown by making the naturalization act one of first issues tackled by the first congress. Yet this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @anonymous, @jsm, @Anonymous

    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington.

    Many of them, including George Washington, also owned slaves. And the Constitution explicitly had several pro-slavery clauses that protected slavery and promoted slave ownership. But that didn’t stop slavery from eventually ending. That’s because the philosophy of liberalism and individual rights that informed the development of the Constitution baked in a leftward trajectory to the country that meant inconsistencies such as slavery or exclusionary restrictions would tend to be resolved in ways that favored liberal or leftist results.

    John Quincy Adams, who was a former President and whose father John Adams was also a former President and a Founding Father that had helped draft the Declaration of Independence, cited the Declaration to defend a group of captive Africans during the Amistad case. The Supreme Court ruled 7-1 in favor of the captive Africans. Adams argued that the principles upon which the Declaration of Independence was based also applied to some random Africans. Moreover, he said that the President of the United States would be a tyrant like George III whom the Founders rebelled against if the President were allowed to violate the freedom of these random Africans and that the liberty of American citizens would be in jeopardy. In other words, if these random Africans are not free, then Americans are not free, and presumably no one else is either. This same philosophy is behind the expansion of citizenship and the franchise and various rights.

    The liberal philosophy behind the Constitution is the problem.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Herbert West
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "The liberal philosophy behind the Constitution is the problem."

    Which had served as the justifying force for the Founders to free themselves from the tyranny of the British Crown.

    Are you even aware of your profoundly ignorant statement?

    "This same philosophy is behind the expansion of citizenship and the franchise and various rights."

    Exactly! The Founders were influenced by Enlightenment thinkers, which enabled human kind to break free from the shackles of oppression.

  18. The white working class have BETRAYED the Democrat party. In rejecting the intersectional social justice agenda of our coastal intelligentsia, they have shown themselves to be the bigots I’ve always suspected them to be. We must NEVER FORGET this treachery – impeach the people! Our only option is to keep calling them stupid for voting for Trump and keep importing people who are more susceptible to our message.

    • Agree: jim jones
  19. • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    They work like the Devil
     
    Yes, Joe, they sure do.
    , @Sol
    @Anonymous

    "get used to it as I I I I I I I I I I I I I I have. Hey you NuAmericans vote for me!"

  20. We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Slim Dunkins


    Watch Watchmen on HBO
     
    I didn't know this blog is now ad-supported.
    , @MEH 0910
    @Slim Dunkins

    https://highfivecomics.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/tinytoons.jpg

    , @MEH 0910
    @Slim Dunkins

    http://d.facdn.net/art/deathpuppy/1408037493/1408037493.deathpuppy_watchducks.jpg

    , @the one they call Desanex
    @Slim Dunkins

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/27/sports/27center-web5/27center-web5-jumbo.jpg

    , @Ano
    @Slim Dunkins

    Hi Tiny,

    I prefer to watch the hilarious civil wars between dimwit negro talentless rappers.
    Let's you and me sell the idea to HBO!

    From Wokeipedia...

    On December 16, 2011, member Slim Dunkin was shot and killed at an Atlanta recording studio preparing to shoot a music video. Slim Dunkin was shot while arguing with another person in the building, who has been identified as Atlanta rapper, Young Vito. On February 25, 2013, Young Vito was acquitted of murdering Slim Dunkin, but he was given a 25-year sentence for aggravated assault and possession of a firearm.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Slim Dunkins

    Tiny Duck? Is that you?

    I missed you.

    *sniff*

    Call me?

    , @Alfa158
    @Slim Dunkins

    TD; where have you been the last week or so? Did you get scared off by Ron’s talk of charging commenters?

    , @fish
    @Slim Dunkins

    Ohs Tinys.......!

    , @donut
    @Slim Dunkins

    You're an idiot .

  21. Something is happening to the “we” here.

    We have the speaker’s “we”, the “we” as it currently exists, the “we” who invites, the “we” who has an economy and the future “we” who may or may not succeed and probably the unmentioned “we” who has to pay back USD 23 trillion to themselves.

    Its we-ird.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @El Dato

    Being confused about our identity is just who "we" are.

  22. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    I didn’t know this blog is now ad-supported.

  23. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

  24. @danand

    "And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy, strike that, I meant to say part of our education system."
     
    Doing the jobs we refuse to do:

    https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg

    Replies: @bomag, @Anon, @JeremiahJohnbalaya, @Joe Schmoe

    …part of our education system

    Indeed.

    They could expand domestic choices by hiring people without teaching degrees but who are otherwise as capable. But the teaching-industrial-complex must maintain their tyranny.

    • Replies: @Medvedev
    @bomag

    Students homeschooled by parents without professional teachers with a degree and blah-blah-blah have higher scores than public school students:


    In 2014, SAT "test scores of college-bound homeschool students were higher than the national average of all college-bound seniors that same year," according to NHERI.

    "Mean ACT Composite scores for homeschooled students were consistently higher than those for public school students" from 2001 through 2014, according (PDF) to that testing organization, although private school students scored higher still.
    https://reason.com/2019/01/22/homeschooling-produces-better-students/
     
    White parents homeschooling their kids pay high taxes to educate "poor and oppressed" minorities, for all kinds of diversity outreach and other cr*p showed down kids throat.

    How much does a student cost public school per year? 12-15k? Reimburse parents who homeschool their children with tax-free dollars. Christian family homeschooling 3 kids? Here you go, your 36-45 reimbursement for the job and services that government cannot efficiently provide )))
    Instead of both parents working high-stress job only to pay high taxes for the rest, mother would be able to stay with kids and give them all the care and love they deserve. With better educational results for the kids. What's not to like. But then who will pay taxes to educate and spoon-feed Blacks?
  25. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

  26. @Redneck farmer
    Cherry-picking some of the smartest foreigners might help our economy; the <100 IQ types, not so much.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dumbo

    Cherry-picking some of the smartest foreigners might help our economy…

    Yes, but it’s looking like we have to give up nice things in exchange for economy; a poor choice.

  27. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

  28. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1207855467029913602

    Replies: @bomag, @Sol

    They work like the Devil

    Yes, Joe, they sure do.

  29. The only relevant questions anymore are who and when and if and whether anyone shows up on on the national mall…or, perhaps, more to the point, who bothers to object to the seizure of the 1/3 of our earnings that finances it all (and, no, I’m no fool nor a hypocrite – this only works with far more coordination than is remotely possible under present circumstances – when the NCA, the TACMAMO gang, and the carrier strike groups (i.e., never, from the looks of it) support the American people (the real America) against the “American government,” …then, something might happen , but not before…and our military is made up now of far weaker stuff than, say, the Thai army (the most recent example that comes to mind).

    I swear I don’t get money carrying water for the act; this stuff writes itself – at the end of the day, it’s just a (thinking man’s) pop song (but so were Paine’s and Marx’s and Brecht’s works, more or less)…. And it came to mind only because of Steve’s earlier posts. The only difference maybe is to substitute “the multicultural plan” for “the communist plan.” Sad; we had a good run. (see you in Uruguay….)

  30. @RichardTaylor
    Welcome to the United States of Whatever.

    Replies: @Lurker

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  31. When you talk to academics offline, one on one, very few will admit that America being majority non-white is a good thing. Most are aware of the educational deficiencies of blacks and Hispanics. They’ll say stuff like, “ we need to spend more on education” but I doubt they really believe that it’s the fix.

    Anyway I can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people. I wonder what goes through such folks heads?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Ed

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with "hating" Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai, @bomag, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Ed


    “we need to spend more on education” but I doubt they really believe that it’s the fix.
     
    Ron White says you can't fix stupid.
  32. Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh’s voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it’s deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    • LOL: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Bill P

    It's weird how the mayor of a small city in Indiana with no accomplishments to his name got thrust up to presidential nomination levels.

    What's that, you say? He's homosexual and worked for McKinsey? Ok, that explains it.

    Not as good a front man as Obama, who at least had used his front-man, do nothing life to climb to U.S. Senator before he was tapped by his masters to become their guy in the White House.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    , @HammerJack
    @Bill P

    Anyone who has more than three products of any kind in his bathroom (and I'm including soap) is not a real man. And you can tell Patrick Bateman I said so.

    Okay, four if you're counting toothpaste and toilet paper. And obviously if you share your bathroom with a woman it'll be more like three or four dozen.

    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you're fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you're a poof or a lady.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Duke84

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Bill P


    ...I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh’s voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.
     
    Pete BUTTKRIEG is a member of an ultra-esoteric, Maltese human sacrifice & all-purpose "mystery"/sodomy cult, so why not?*


    *Technically, there's no evidence to support my assertions about that horrible little man.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @petit bourgeois
    @Bill P

    I like the Margot Robbie version better.

    https://youtu.be/RWc8V-iKJ7s

    , @Yngvar
    @Bill P

    It's funny or strange how Patrick Bateman goes on about how the use of Jarlsberg cheese makes him a part of the connoisseurs class. In Norway Jarlsberg is an every-day cheese for sandwiches and such. Nothing special.

    By the way, Jarlsberg cheese for the export market is now made in Ireland. EU directives dictate how we do things like this.

    Replies: @Jack D

  33. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The fringes are getting fringier.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/membership

    Prohibiting Caste Prejudice on Campus

    Brandeis University has added caste identity as “a recognized and protected characteristic” in the institution’s antidiscrimination policy. The move was made to address caste distinctions among students and faculty members of South Asian descent.

    “Brandeis believes that since caste identity is so intertwined with many of the legally recognized and protected characteristics, discrimination based on a person’s caste is effectively the same,” Liebowitz said a written statement. “Going forward, the Office of Equal Opportunity will oversee issues and complaints of discrimination related to caste brought forward by members of the Brandeis community, just as it does for other types of discrimination.”

    So is this like Sharia law for subcontinentals?

    The caste system is a centuries-old social hierarchy that has led to oppression of people in lower castes in some South Asian communities, most notably in India….

    I thought that the colonial British created the caste system. Isn’t that the progressive academic party line? Or they “perfected” it, or “encouraged” it. By the way, the UK apparently already has this sort of caste discrimination law, promoted by “Dalit” untouchable immigrants.

    • Replies: @PSR
    @Anon

    I believe the Indian caste system was in place for centuries before the British arrived. The Brits just tolerated it as they tolerated so many cultural oddities in their farflung colonial possessions. That's how you hold an empire together with a handful of soldiers, merchants and adminstrators.

    , @Chris Renner
    @Anon

    More of this, please. I've met a few high-caste Indian immigrants to the US who needed to be cut down a bit, and this is a great tool to do the cutting.

    , @Daniel H
    @Anon

    It is likely that the beneficiaries of these measures will not be some low caste Hindu but some higher caste Hindu who will claim offense that anybody dare criticize the extremely cruel and racist caste system. Hindus know how to work a system to their advantage.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Anon

    iSteve had several posts on the topic of caste and immigrants from South Asia, most of them from more than a decade ago.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-is-the-distribution-of-hindu-castes-among-google-employees/?highlight=caste

    https://www.unz.com/?s=caste&Action=Search&authors=steve-sailer&ptype=isteve&paged=2

  34. And this is the moderate candidate on stage. The Democrats aren’t coming back.

  35. @Kronos
    @silviosilver

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China? Most manufacturing is done over there.

    Replies: @Realist

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China?

    Do you really think China is stupid enough to accept that?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Realist

    Not by themselves. But our US political nut jobs (Neocons/neoliberals) can place UN pressure on China to accept some immigrants. China and Japan are right on the money on immigration minimalism.

    Replies: @Realist

  36. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    Hi Tiny,

    I prefer to watch the hilarious civil wars between dimwit negro talentless rappers.
    Let’s you and me sell the idea to HBO!

    From Wokeipedia…

    On December 16, 2011, member Slim Dunkin was shot and killed at an Atlanta recording studio preparing to shoot a music video. Slim Dunkin was shot while arguing with another person in the building, who has been identified as Atlanta rapper, Young Vito. On February 25, 2013, Young Vito was acquitted of murdering Slim Dunkin, but he was given a 25-year sentence for aggravated assault and possession of a firearm.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Ano


    On February 25, 2013, Young Vito was acquitted of murdering Slim Dunkin, but he was given a 25-year sentence for aggravated assault
     
    The good news is, he'll be out in time to have a comeback as Middle-Aged Vito.
  37. Ms. Klobuchar’s skin doesn’t seem to agree with her.

    I wonder if she understands that whatever Weimar America births. It will be 100 times worse than what Weimar Germany birthed?

    There is going to be a sad day for Race Traitors in this country, I only hope I live long enough to see it.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    @theMann

    When the wheels come off this thing and "respect my pronouns or I'll get you unpersoned" America meets "training for guerilla combat on my day off at the 2gun" America they will write about the result for 1000 years.

  38. I’m sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    • Agree: keypusher, Paleo Liberal
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D


    She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something.
     
    Yes, I gathered that. But:

    ) She didn't indicate any halt to the inflow.

    ) In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way. More and more people are in make-work jobs; in extended childhood/education; early retirement or some kind of disability; or muddling along on the fringes. We are not tapping the masses anymore for economic growth. Most of the past and future immigrants are tagging along for the ride. We don't need politicians pretending otherwise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    , @Dave3
    @Jack D

    Myanmar and the Dominican Republic show that it just isn't so. Sixth-generation immigrants can be forcibly deported if you're willing to ignore the (((international community))).

    , @peterike
    @Jack D


    It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.
     
    And perhaps while we're at it, we can teach donkeys to code.
    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Jack D

    The government has indeed "tried" to educate them since 1865, without notable success. Now what?

    Replies: @Jack D, @keypusher

    , @GodHelpUs
    @Jack D

    The government cannot force people to make the sacrifices that are necessary to succeed in a free society.

    An africanized subculture that celebrates rejection of the mainstream Western culture cannot be reformed.

    People who have thrown their lot into a culture that celebrates death and degeneracy will reap what they sow.

    Our political leaders have created Sodom and Gomorrah in our nation. Anyone with eyes to see should escape to the countryside before fire and brimstone start raining down in your city.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don't have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don't have convicts to clean it up?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Lot

    , @orionyx
    @Jack D


    so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    - as the man with the flying school said when all the pigs started signing up.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Nico
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Realistically, necessity is the mother of invention. Stop framing the questioning terms of “How can we deport the people we don’t want in the current legal framework?” The question needs to be broader to allow for maximum possibilities. I would put it as: “These demographics are problematic. Is there a humane way to reduce their numbers and/or separate the minority of good specimens out from the obviously parasitic ones?”

    Assuming you are American, let me remind you that part of being a pioneer nation is having the imagination to carve out a path to survival in the face of existential threats. So maybe it’s time we dusted off that pioneer imagination.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    There is no reason we cannot send them back. They are here on an illegitimate basis, so we can justly send them back. You have been mesmerized by static analysis. The problem is not sending them back. The problem is all the repercussions that must accompany the reckoning.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children … so we have to make the best of what we have
     
    Uh huh. You do realize that all sorts of things can happen?

    Given what happened to some of your recent ancestors, you seem oddly asleep to the possibilities of what in retrospect becomes history.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon7
    @Jack D

    "Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children."

    I agree with this, but if the will existed, we could work with the rest:

    1) No more welfare of any kind for non-citizens (including no education of non-citizens), and limited safety net money with payback required for citizens (they do this in other countries)

    2) All the DACA kids get deported.

    3) Everyone not a citizen gets deported; American children of foreign nationals illegally in the country will never see them again in the US because they will never be given a visa. Many anchor babies will leave to be with their families. Laws will be passed to deny American benefits to anchor babies who did not spend time in the US.

    4) One year of national service required of every citizen 25 and younger. Standard US military uniform with standard haircuts with standard American food - no kosher or halal meals. Birthright citizenship ended.

    Unlikely? I guess. But it's not like there is nothing to be done.

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Remember, below an IQ of 85 you are unemployable in the 21st century. Even the military won't have you. A fifth of Americans are below this level now, and most of them are minorities.

    , @Moses
    @Jack D

    Territorial division of America along racial/political lines is inevitable given current trends.

    Don't see it? Just wait until President AOC and her kind cement their control over the executive and legislative branches of power. Whites (some, at least) will wake up pretty fast.

    , @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    I’m sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.
     
    And it behooves the people to stop subsidizing their reproduction.

    Replies: @Cato

    , @Alan Mercer
    @Jack D

    Wait, who says they need to be educated to be productive? How much do you need to know to wear a yoke?

  39. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    Tiny Duck? Is that you?

    I missed you.

    *sniff*

    Call me?

  40. @Bill P
    Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh's voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it's deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    https://youtu.be/46-WNPlCYsg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @HammerJack, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @petit bourgeois, @Yngvar

    It’s weird how the mayor of a small city in Indiana with no accomplishments to his name got thrust up to presidential nomination levels.

    What’s that, you say? He’s homosexual and worked for McKinsey? Ok, that explains it.

    Not as good a front man as Obama, who at least had used his front-man, do nothing life to climb to U.S. Senator before he was tapped by his masters to become their guy in the White House.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @R.G. Camara

    I think Pete likely has some big homosexual boosters, but a lot of it is meritocratic. Pete is smarter than most of the other candidates. It doesn't surprise me that someone who worked at McKinsey can make up ground on Joe Biden who went to some no name law school or failed carpenter Bernie Sanders. If Pete wasn't in politics he'd be pretty successful. I don't think Sanders, Biden or Warren would do great in private sector roles without connections gained through politics and academia.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Anonymous

  41. @Redneck farmer
    Cherry-picking some of the smartest foreigners might help our economy; the <100 IQ types, not so much.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dumbo

    I tend to disagree even with this view. Importing high IQ people has two problems, one, you create a brain drain in the countries where immigrants come from, two, you create more competition in your own country. What’s wrong with prioritizing native peoples, independently of their IQ?

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Chris Renner
    @Dumbo

    Ditto. Not to mention the social problems that arise from having an identifiable group of people who are well aware of their higher IQs...

    Replies: @Desiderius

  42. I wish people would realize that what she is saying is a clear expression of the fact that immigration is clear proof of failure, incompetence, and mismanagement; any amount of notable immigration says “we were so incomoetent for so long and are so mindlessly inattentive to the most basic responsibilities of our unearned positions of control that we have to desperately compensate for horrendous management and failed basic judgement by poaching away the best, but usually the mediocre people of other countries to cover up our betrayal, failure, and incompetence, while also hoping that the foolish countries and societies we poach people from won’t realize we are stealing Human Resources and capacity from and won’t keep people from leaving”

    Immigration = failure

  43. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    We’re an empire which cares infinity more about territories and borders on the other side of the globe than our own.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-rebuilds-presence-in-northeast-syria-by-returning-to-6-abandoned-bases/

    US military rebuilds presence in northeast Syria by returning to 6 abandoned bases

    By News Desk -2019-12-18

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (9:00 P.M.) – The U.S. military has returned to six bases they previously abandoned in northern Syria, Turkey’s Anatolia News Agency reported on Wednesday.

    The agency announced that the U.S. military is strengthening its presence in northeastern Syria, near the borders with Turkey and Iraq, and in areas of oil fields.

    They reported that the U.S. military is spreading to five bases and posts in the Hasakah Governorate of northeastern Syria. In addition, the Americans are constructing two other barriers in the town of Al-Qahtaniyah and in a residential area in Qamishli.

    The agency said that the United States plans to enhance security its security at the Hasakah oil fields and to strengthen its presence near the Syrian-Turkish border.

    Furthermore, the U.S. military is currently deployed to 11 bases and posts in Syria. Five are in Hasakah, four are in Deir Ezzor and two are in Raqqa. In the Deir Ezzor Governorate, the U.S. military is building two more checkpoints.

    Thank you for your service protecting our freedom!

  44. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something.

    Yes, I gathered that. But:

    ) She didn’t indicate any halt to the inflow.

    ) In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way. More and more people are in make-work jobs; in extended childhood/education; early retirement or some kind of disability; or muddling along on the fringes. We are not tapping the masses anymore for economic growth. Most of the past and future immigrants are tagging along for the ride. We don’t need politicians pretending otherwise.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @bomag


    In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way.
     
    If what you are saying is true (and I'm not sure it is - there are a lot of jobs that robots are never going to do. The day when you can call a plumber to diagnose and fix a plumbing issue and a robot shows up by herself to do it is never or at least not for a very long time) then it applies equally (or almost equally assuming that the lowest IQ jobs will be the first to go) to non-immigrants (in particular the 15% or so of the population that is black and the additional 15% of the population that consists of low-IQ whites. Again I agree that we shouldn't dig the hole deeper by letting in a bunch more low-IQ "refugees from Honduras" but we are going to have to confront this issue (if it is real) for everyone and not just for non-white immigrants in particular. Immigrants contain some low IQ groups (though not as low as American blacks) and some very high IQ ones (mostly Asians).

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Jack D
    @bomag

    BTW, isn't there a terrific silver lining hiding inside that cloud? If we no longer need as many working people as we used to, we can tell all the married women to stay home and be housewives again - the 20th century labor shortages that forced them out of the house are over now and they can stay home and clean (OK, turn on the cleaning robot) and take care of their kids. This would reduce the labor force by almost half instantly and then all the men would have jobs! And we can give them "guaranteed incomes" - employers who employ married men would be legally required to pay them enough to support a wife and children.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Kronos

  45. @silviosilver
    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then - those fools aren't about to open their country to all comers, so there's no way they'll be able to compete.

    Replies: @Kronos, @bigdicknick, @anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    The Chad Amerimutt vs. the Virgin 106 IQ Han

  46. @Jean Ralphio Jr.
    Isn’t what she’s saying the conventional wisdom of both parties for the past 20 years at least?

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Yes, exactly, but the work, she is never finished.

  47. @Johnny789
    Just wait until the majority minority start doing hard time for Hate Crimes committed against Trans-Americans (the only true Americans according to a plaque erected outside of an SF bar) and they'll be begging White people to start building, running, and maintaining Nuclear Power Plants to keep a charge going on their Teslas.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Known Fact

    The Jews will have millions of Asian minions to do things like that, and Asian definitely includes Indians for this purpose.

  48. @Wilkey
    What do you say to white Americans who are uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a racial minority, even if you don’t share their concerns?....I say this is America. You’re looking at it.

    Which “America” are we looking at? The America that was essential in fighting and winning history’s largest two front war despite being almost entirely white, or the America which despite being blessed with more immigrants than France has people now has annual trillion dollar budget deficits, a pathetically low birth rate, a pathetically high illegitimacy rate, and falling life expectancies for whites?

    What a wonderful America all this immigration and liberal self-hate has given us.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “What a wonderful America all this immigration and liberal self-hate has given us.”

    Oh, it’s not “Self-hate”, they adore themselves, it’s the rest of America they hate.

  49. @Bill P
    Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh's voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it's deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    https://youtu.be/46-WNPlCYsg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @HammerJack, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @petit bourgeois, @Yngvar

    Anyone who has more than three products of any kind in his bathroom (and I’m including soap) is not a real man. And you can tell Patrick Bateman I said so.

    Okay, four if you’re counting toothpaste and toilet paper. And obviously if you share your bathroom with a woman it’ll be more like three or four dozen.

    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you’re fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you’re a poof or a lady.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HammerJack


    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you’re fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you’re a poof or a lady.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GW22sAElpE
    , @Duke84
    @HammerJack

    If you have more than one scented candle in your home you're gay.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  50. @El Dato
    Something is happening to the "we" here.

    We have the speaker's "we", the "we" as it currently exists, the "we" who invites, the "we" who has an economy and the future "we" who may or may not succeed and probably the unmentioned "we" who has to pay back USD 23 trillion to themselves.

    Its we-ird.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Being confused about our identity is just who “we” are.

  51. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Myanmar and the Dominican Republic show that it just isn’t so. Sixth-generation immigrants can be forcibly deported if you’re willing to ignore the (((international community))).

    • Agree: Nico
  52. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    And perhaps while we’re at it, we can teach donkeys to code.

  53. For these lunatics, economics is only about having billions of domestic consumers, no matter how unproductive, never about exporting goods and investing in an actual economy.

  54. Yamiche Alcindor? Why not change it to Yamiche Abdul-Jabbar

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Known Fact

    Asking if the two are related was third on Google autofill when typing in her name, but according to her, there is no relation.

  55. @Johnny789
    Just wait until the majority minority start doing hard time for Hate Crimes committed against Trans-Americans (the only true Americans according to a plaque erected outside of an SF bar) and they'll be begging White people to start building, running, and maintaining Nuclear Power Plants to keep a charge going on their Teslas.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Known Fact

    Tesla’s new model: The Klobucar

  56. OT: Another Boeing success in the Age of Woke:

    Boeing’s Starliner crew capsule WON’T dock with ISS on Saturday after launching into the ‘wrong orbit’ during its first test flight for NASA’s astronaut taxi service due to start in 2020

    The mission’s only crew is a a space test dummy known as Rosie based on WW2 character Rosie the Riveter

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7812943/Boeing-sends-Rosie-dummy-space-key-crewless-mission.html

    I guess Rosie is not good with directions. Maybe they would have better luck if they had sent a boy dummy named Chuck instead, although the real Chuck Yeager (still alive and kicking at 96) might not have liked it.

    Did they get the Hidden Figures ladies to compute the orbit? Did Rosie forget to say “I’m not going until the girl checks the numbers” (or maybe she did say it and that’s the problem)?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.

    Maybe Trump and Putin can arrange to travel to their next summit location by steamships or DC-3’s then pull up to the venue riding in Packard limousines.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Sol

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    The burn failure is probably software, but could be any of several things. The vehicle is in a reasonably stable orbit so Boeing can learn a lot about its performance for a week or three. Returning to Earth via land instead of water is a change from the older space program. That should be interesting.

    Atlas V is not just a copy of the 1960's rocket, it has many internal changes. Really, though, the step / stage rocket burning LOX and fuel is just a bigger version of the V 2. Robert Goddard would recognize a lot of the hardware of the rockets made by US, Russia, China, France, North Korea, etc. It's mature technology but the basics are 80 years old or so.

    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-oft-next-steps.html

    SpaceX will solve their escape tower / thruster problem, and then once it's man-certified there will be two US made launch vehicles to Low Earth Orbit.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @rexl
    @Jack D

    Just a "timing error" the check is still in the mail, no harm, no foul.

  57. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    The government has indeed “tried” to educate them since 1865, without notable success. Now what?

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    , @keypusher
    @Joseph Doaks

    That's nonsense, as our host points out constantly (most recently in his piece about PISA scores). Hell, just compare the b/w NAEP gap in 1971 (when they started looking) and now.

  58. Not to worry about the C+ Minnesotans. They can get jobs teaching Somalis how to use Charmin, comparison shop (and show them how Target rips them off and Dollar Tree doesn’t) and the C+ athletically inclined males can make a fortune coaching and training the up and coming Somali pro ice hockey league. Dentists and orthopaedic surgeons in Minnesota will make a fortune.

  59. This is the essential problem with how economic issues have been framed since Regan. Minnesota doesn’t need more economic activity than the people there need. They desire it to have an endless amount for the elite and shareholders. That doesn’t make sense, that is a mentality of somebody harvesting society.

    Across the Western world, the total amount of wealth in these countries is more than sufficient, what is wrong is the distribution, but immigration just makes that distribution worse, not better.

    It’s all just emblematic of seeing things from the interests and desires of employers, companies and shareholders rather the society itself.

    The wealthy countries that have least taken this nonsense to heart are also the ones with the happiest populations and generally better birth rates than their years of education equivalent countries. Denmark is great precisely because it has ignored this logic the most.

    Of course, we should note that when people say ‘C-‘ what they are saying “People I find inferior who are working for normal market rate living wages” and ‘A+’ means “People I find even more inferior but less of a social threat who know their place and work for wages I’d never consider doing the job for in a million years.”

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Altai

    The Catholic understanding of "living wage" was enough of a wage for a man to support a wife and children. So very many of our problems were created by the elites denying us that wage, immigration being a primary tool, feminism anothet. Thanks, jews!

    Replies: @Alden

  60. “B+” population of Minnesota?

    Some of you older folks will recall that Minneapolis was the home of Control Data Corporation, which pioneered and produced the most powerful computer mainframes (“supercomputers”) in the world. Chippewa Falls in next door Wisconsin was where Cray Research, Inc. (headquartered in Minneapolis) following the lead of Control Data, researched and manufactured the world’s fastest computers. The fastest supercomputers nowadays are made in China.

  61. And immigration will be implemented according to quotas, as most things are today (college admissions, job hiring, promotions, prosecutions, jail sentences, etc. etc.)

    So in due time America will eventually be mostly African, Arab, Chinese, and Indian.

    And it will have long ceased to be a functioning nation state.

    I think it ceased c. 2001.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Scott in PA


    So in due time America will eventually be mostly African, Arab, Chinese, and Indian.
     
    0ooooh, wheeeee, is that going to be a real love fest
  62. @danand

    "And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy, strike that, I meant to say part of our education system."
     
    Doing the jobs we refuse to do:

    https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg

    Replies: @bomag, @Anon, @JeremiahJohnbalaya, @Joe Schmoe

    What I think is unspoken is that in the Philippines someone, a dean?, a parent?, beats the living crap out of any misbehaving student, and the worst ones are probably kicked out of school.

    Imagine if that school district had any black students! Poor woman.

  63. @Ed
    When you talk to academics offline, one on one, very few will admit that America being majority non-white is a good thing. Most are aware of the educational deficiencies of blacks and Hispanics. They’ll say stuff like, “ we need to spend more on education” but I doubt they really believe that it’s the fix.

    Anyway I can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people. I wonder what goes through such folks heads?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @ScarletNumber

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with “hating” Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Troll: Sol
    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump has done almost nothing to stop demographic shifts against white people. The only thing he did was cut refugees by 80,000.

    Did not even cancel TPS.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Altai
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nobody is blind, they didn't expect much from him but found no other choice for these policies after having absolutely no say for 40 years. Few people expected his inauguration speech to maintain the Bannon-esque theme or for him to act any differently to the previous neoliberal presidents. There was no alternative to make their voice heard. He is the greatest protest vote of all time. Nobody finds who he is to be particularly appealing but that's the point, as Trump himself said "I could walk down 5th avenue and shoot a man dead and it wouldn't affect my poll numbers".

    It's the same with the impeachment. Nobody cares, nobody cares because the debate about economics including immigration is what matters, not if what he said to the Ukrainian president was improper, compared to the crimes of the previous presidents which involved death tolls in the hundreds of thousands?

    Trump at least forces a debate on these issues which is sadly more than Bernie Sanders was ever likely to accomplish. Neither campaign Trump or Sanders would have had support from their own parties to pass much of any of that agenda, first the terms of the debate need to change, then things have a chance of changing. And in terms of long-term economic policy change, he has successfully changed the narrative on the economic relationship between China and the US and Western world more broadly. Whatever you want to feel about it, the long-term effects of that are far more damaging to globalisation than anything that has come from people not named Donald Trump.

    As for gloabal warming, Trump has actually had little to no impact on policy there, but he has led to a typical TDS response of having it come to the fore again. Even the tedious libertarian spergs who write South Park who used their show as a platform to mock the idea now accept it just to oppose Trump.

    , @bomag
    @Peter Akuleyev


    who Trump really is...
     
    At the moment, lip service from Trump seems to be the best we can get in today's climate of central power crashing ever more leftward.

    Not like Romney, McCain, and W Bush have/had done much that was conservative.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Peter Akuleyev


    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members.
     
    Why would a billionaire go to the trouble of being elected President, merely so he could make more money? That seems like something only a very stupid person could believe.

    Or were you lying?
  64. she views the U.S. as an economy with a people, rather than a people with an economy.

    Problem is, so does almost anyone with power and capital. Every hedge fund manager, every CEO, every banker. Even if they are Republicans. And especially if they are on the libertarian side of the GOP spectrum.

    • Agree: Sol
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The question is never pointed at them as to why when these policies have been implemented do places always get worse. In the case of Russia and other foreign countries, those policies were weaponised to destroy the country. It's not supposed to. Why would the elite of society push policies that would lessen their overall control of wealth? Why would they push policies that would empower their foreign rivals? Why does no amount of Reganomics make a place more like Denmark? Why does it always make it more like Dubai?

    Only on occasions where a switch allows access to global capital that wasn't available before, ie, China has it ever brought better conditions and soon China will hit the ceiling on that and be left with a country whose mentality was already so badly suited to handle market economies with a deep materialist streak and low trust society. Fortunately there is an authoritarian regime that has a long term vision and so will plug any holes of capital flight from Chinese businessmen wanted to shaft their own country and insists on making sure foreign companies are used as templates to make indigenous ones around their Chinese investments and later kick them out.

  65. Back in 1950, when America was 85% White, our cars, washers & dryers, TVs and radios were sold to the entire free world.

    Today, after inviting the entire world to immigrate, no one buys our stuff, even us. Everything in Walmart is made in China.

    Klobuchar is an idiot.

  66. Former Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton is a DRUGGIE!

    I wrote this in April of 2019 about Druggie Dayton:

    Steve Sailer noticed a druggie and drunk rich boy named Mark Dayton from Minnesota who is a member of the family that started the Target Corporation — the famous retail and department store.

    Mark Dayton, who is a self-acknowledged drug addict and alcoholic, says that to expand the economy you must have mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD.

    Did I mention that Minnesota Mass Immigration Pusher Mark Dayton is a BABY BOOMER SCUMBAG? Yes, he is, born in 1947, that rich boy rat Mark Dayton is a disgusting baby boomer rodent!

    This disgusting rich boy rat Mark Dayton is such a horrible drug and drink consuming rat that he passed out delivering a State of the State speech in 2017 while he was governor of Minnesota!

    I love you Swedish bastards out in Minnesota, and I understand that the ruling class rich boy rats are flooding Minnesota with foreigners. I hope you Swedish people in Minnesota know that the rest of the nation has ruling class rats like Mark Dayton who are also pushing nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD.

    Tweet from 2015:

  67. @Peter Akuleyev
    she views the U.S. as an economy with a people, rather than a people with an economy.

    Problem is, so does almost anyone with power and capital. Every hedge fund manager, every CEO, every banker. Even if they are Republicans. And especially if they are on the libertarian side of the GOP spectrum.

    Replies: @Altai

    The question is never pointed at them as to why when these policies have been implemented do places always get worse. In the case of Russia and other foreign countries, those policies were weaponised to destroy the country. It’s not supposed to. Why would the elite of society push policies that would lessen their overall control of wealth? Why would they push policies that would empower their foreign rivals? Why does no amount of Reganomics make a place more like Denmark? Why does it always make it more like Dubai?

    Only on occasions where a switch allows access to global capital that wasn’t available before, ie, China has it ever brought better conditions and soon China will hit the ceiling on that and be left with a country whose mentality was already so badly suited to handle market economies with a deep materialist streak and low trust society. Fortunately there is an authoritarian regime that has a long term vision and so will plug any holes of capital flight from Chinese businessmen wanted to shaft their own country and insists on making sure foreign companies are used as templates to make indigenous ones around their Chinese investments and later kick them out.

  68. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Ed

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with "hating" Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai, @bomag, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Trump has done almost nothing to stop demographic shifts against white people. The only thing he did was cut refugees by 80,000.

    Did not even cancel TPS.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    This is false. He canceled TPS for just about all groups. It’s just that activists and friendly liberal judges have stopped it for now. Maybe get your facts straight before you launch into criticisms of Trump. You’ll never get better than him on immigration, ever.

    https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/trump-has-ended-temporary-protected-status-hundreds-thousands-immigrants


    Since taking office, President Trump has ended crucial protections for immigrants from six countries. Over 300,000 people are at risk of losing legal Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

    TPS is a provision under which the government grants protection from deportation to people from certain countries afflicted by natural disasters, war, or other dangerous conditions.

    These moves continue a series of cruel attacks on immigrants in the U.S. that rip apart families and hurt our communities. The administration must extend TPS. And Congress should enact a permanent solution that creates a roadmap to citizenship for recipients and the millions of other immigrants in the U.S.
     

  69. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    TD; where have you been the last week or so? Did you get scared off by Ron’s talk of charging commenters?

  70. I’m so old that when I was a kid no one talked about “the economy.” What was important to people was their “standard of living.” I think something happened around 1965 that changed the ruling elites’ thinking on that. For the life of me I can’t put my finger on what that could be.

  71. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Ed

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with "hating" Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai, @bomag, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Nobody is blind, they didn’t expect much from him but found no other choice for these policies after having absolutely no say for 40 years. Few people expected his inauguration speech to maintain the Bannon-esque theme or for him to act any differently to the previous neoliberal presidents. There was no alternative to make their voice heard. He is the greatest protest vote of all time. Nobody finds who he is to be particularly appealing but that’s the point, as Trump himself said “I could walk down 5th avenue and shoot a man dead and it wouldn’t affect my poll numbers”.

    It’s the same with the impeachment. Nobody cares, nobody cares because the debate about economics including immigration is what matters, not if what he said to the Ukrainian president was improper, compared to the crimes of the previous presidents which involved death tolls in the hundreds of thousands?

    Trump at least forces a debate on these issues which is sadly more than Bernie Sanders was ever likely to accomplish. Neither campaign Trump or Sanders would have had support from their own parties to pass much of any of that agenda, first the terms of the debate need to change, then things have a chance of changing. And in terms of long-term economic policy change, he has successfully changed the narrative on the economic relationship between China and the US and Western world more broadly. Whatever you want to feel about it, the long-term effects of that are far more damaging to globalisation than anything that has come from people not named Donald Trump.

    As for gloabal warming, Trump has actually had little to no impact on policy there, but he has led to a typical TDS response of having it come to the fore again. Even the tedious libertarian spergs who write South Park who used their show as a platform to mock the idea now accept it just to oppose Trump.

    • Agree: Hail
  72. @silviosilver
    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then - those fools aren't about to open their country to all comers, so there's no way they'll be able to compete.

    Replies: @Kronos, @bigdicknick, @anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    Due to China’s lack of diversity at the top rung of ideas and building, it might only be able to get to 50% per capita of what America has. Not bad but certainly short of being the greatest country ever.

  73. As you know, the governor swears an oath to uphold The Economy, to help The Economy be all it can be. If the current B+ population of Minnesota isn’t living up to The Economy’s needs, then it’s governor’s legal obligation to do something about the current population.

    Well, quite.

    Politicians everywhere have a tendency to use unexamined cliches as if they were self-evident truths. For example, talking about what is good for the economy, or good for society.

    It was Margaret Thatcher who said: “There is no such thing as society.” And followed up with:

    There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.

    And in discussions regarding Scottish independence and Brexit, it is all about the “economy”, because it is assumed that creating more or less jobs is shorthand for quality of life. Will this make us richer, will this make us poorer? Who gets the Scottish oilfields?

    And not about questions like: How will this affect the weather? How will this affect health care? How will this affect the quality of TV we get? How will the affect the quality of education? How will this affect our literature and arts? How will this affect the quality of our food? Will we still have cheap bananas in Scotland?

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Jonathan Mason


    And not about questions like: How will this affect the weather? How will this affect health care? How will this affect the quality of TV we get? How will the affect the quality of education? How will this affect our literature and arts? How will this affect the quality of our food? Will we still have cheap bananas in Scotland?
     
    Indeed. Part of the problem is that the unimaginative majority is unable to conceive of the ubiquitous banal pleasantries they take for granted as qualitative variables, and in the current day our gosplanners are better able to sweep them aside for their own quantitative pecuniary gain than ever before.

    Some months ago I noted the increase in low-cost supermarkets and young people resorting to fast food and kebabs and increasingly unable to cook even the basic stuff from fresh ingredients, here in France, and opined to a friend that the French culinary culture of pretty much everyone at all social levels cooking and eating generally *well* and variedly at each meal with varying degrees only of complexity between classes. He retorted, “But our culture of gastronomic excellence is so strong, it will NEVER go extinct!” as though inclusion on the UNESCO list of intangible cultural patrimony is any sort of insurance. He’s actually not a stupid guy but he’s clearly at least dense and unimaginative enough not to understand that if the mechanism for transmitting a culture to future generations fail the culture will die out, however “strong” he thinks it.
  74. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    The government cannot force people to make the sacrifices that are necessary to succeed in a free society.

    An africanized subculture that celebrates rejection of the mainstream Western culture cannot be reformed.

    People who have thrown their lot into a culture that celebrates death and degeneracy will reap what they sow.

    Our political leaders have created Sodom and Gomorrah in our nation. Anyone with eyes to see should escape to the countryside before fire and brimstone start raining down in your city.

    • Agree: Nico
  75. @R.G. Camara
    @Bill P

    It's weird how the mayor of a small city in Indiana with no accomplishments to his name got thrust up to presidential nomination levels.

    What's that, you say? He's homosexual and worked for McKinsey? Ok, that explains it.

    Not as good a front man as Obama, who at least had used his front-man, do nothing life to climb to U.S. Senator before he was tapped by his masters to become their guy in the White House.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    I think Pete likely has some big homosexual boosters, but a lot of it is meritocratic. Pete is smarter than most of the other candidates. It doesn’t surprise me that someone who worked at McKinsey can make up ground on Joe Biden who went to some no name law school or failed carpenter Bernie Sanders. If Pete wasn’t in politics he’d be pretty successful. I don’t think Sanders, Biden or Warren would do great in private sector roles without connections gained through politics and academia.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @bigdicknick

    Dude...small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of "Deep State front man" isn't obvious? This is Macron or Obama again. Being pushed by the Deep State as a great little puppet to manage if the public goes for the "unknown man" thing they did for Obama in 2008---but this time for gays, not blacks.

    What obviously boosts this nothing of a man up is not other gays but the fact that he will be a good little Deep State Davos globalist and let the spooks and the corporate masters go back to running the country.

    Can't you see that?

    P.S. I'll add that Macron was intent on joining the Deep State at 12---that's when he made surprise conversion to Catholicism, knowing it would sell later and fool religious French types--and only 2-3 years later he set eyes on his older weak teacher to be his beard. Obama was a bit later---19---before he went from a choomhead at Occidental to transferring to Columbia and beginning his surprising rise without doing anything of import. These guys start young.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @bigdicknick

    Warren was a Harvard Law prof. But that isn’t exactly “private sector”

    Replies: @Hhsiii

  76. @Jack D
    OT: Another Boeing success in the Age of Woke:

    Boeing's Starliner crew capsule WON'T dock with ISS on Saturday after launching into the 'wrong orbit' during its first test flight for NASA's astronaut taxi service due to start in 2020

    The mission's only crew is a a space test dummy known as Rosie based on WW2 character Rosie the Riveter
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7812943/Boeing-sends-Rosie-dummy-space-key-crewless-mission.html

    I guess Rosie is not good with directions. Maybe they would have better luck if they had sent a boy dummy named Chuck instead, although the real Chuck Yeager (still alive and kicking at 96) might not have liked it.

    Did they get the Hidden Figures ladies to compute the orbit? Did Rosie forget to say "I'm not going until the girl checks the numbers" (or maybe she did say it and that's the problem)?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @anon, @rexl

    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.

    Maybe Trump and Putin can arrange to travel to their next summit location by steamships or DC-3’s then pull up to the venue riding in Packard limousines.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Alfa158


    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.
     
    That sounds weird. But if the device is reliable, and has a good safety record, what need is there for improvement?

    (I have no knowledge of whether the device meets that criteria.)
    , @Sol
    @Alfa158

    Ad Astra is never going to happen ...

  77. @silviosilver
    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then - those fools aren't about to open their country to all comers, so there's no way they'll be able to compete.

    Replies: @Kronos, @bigdicknick, @anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers

    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jonathan Mason


    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!
     
    There are about 1300 million Chinese in China. The equivalent would be c. 200,000 foreigners living in the US, not 45 million. And most of them would not be darkly colored nor belonging to camel-f*ckers religious cultures.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Altai
    @Jonathan Mason

    Wow, 1 million out of 1.3 billion...
    Watch how few will ever be given citizenship or settle there permanently.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_L71lFItk

    , @Ed
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nice anecdote but the foreign born population of China is less than 0.1%. This includes counting Hong Kong and Macau born residents as foreigners.

    https://qz.com/1163632/china-still-has-the-smallest-share-of-incoming-migrants-in-the-world/



    China is changing fast. Over the past several decades, the country has transformed economically and culturally at a pace the world has rarely seen.

    Despite this metamorphosis, one thing remains the same: China has almost no migrants coming to the country. According to recently released estimates from the United Nations, as of July 2017 there were almost exactly 1 million migrants in mainland China. (People born in Hong Kong and Macau now living in China are considered migrants by the UN.) That’s just 0.07% of all people in the country, meaning China has the fewest share of migrants of any country in the world. By comparison, migrants make up 15.6% of the US population.
     
    , @Lurker
    @Jonathan Mason


    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!
     
    I don't think they acquire any permanent right to stay, no birthright citizenship.

    If that were mapped on to the US it would be about 236k foreigners.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Amerimutt Golems
    @Jonathan Mason

    According to China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs there were over 440,000 foreign students in 2016. The country gives out 'scholarships' in exchange for plundering natural resources.

    You also have lots of business people who buy and export slave labor manufactured goods to their home countries akin to the old European trade enclaves.

    Prior to the Tiananmen Square saga there were protests in Nanjing over among other things Sub-Saharan students dating local women .

  78. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!

    There are about 1300 million Chinese in China. The equivalent would be c. 200,000 foreigners living in the US, not 45 million. And most of them would not be darkly colored nor belonging to camel-f*ckers religious cultures.

    • Agree: Lot, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bardon Kaldian

    AGREE!

    C'mon, guys, whaddya need a refresher course?! It's all relative numbers nowadays. AND, tourists are not the same as illegal aliens and "refugees". AND, the Chinese don't take too kindly to visa overstayers either, while the US government doesn't give a rip.

  79. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.

    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don’t have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don’t have convicts to clean it up?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    We're waiting for you to explain that, in something more actionable than "magic dirt".

    , @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason


    the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America
     
    There is no such idea, fundamental or otherwise. The American Dream has never consisted of mere riches. The vapid gnosticism/cynicism of your class has blinded you to what it has always been about.


    "When ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; that thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

    Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."


    Who will do the menial work? Family, as we have always done, and people paid a wage commensurate with the value of their labor. If the demand for that labor rises as you fear, so will the value, given steady supply, which is what Steve advocates.

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    @Jonathan Mason

    "And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don’t have convicts to clean it up?"

    Inmate roadside litter crews cost more in in security and transportation costs than the value of their work.

    , @Lot
    @Jonathan Mason

    “but is rather thin on solutions”

    So you’re saying don’t focus on stopping the immivasion until we have a “solution” that makes Somalis like Swedish-Americans.

    Yeah no thanks.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

  80. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    Wow, 1 million out of 1.3 billion…
    Watch how few will ever be given citizenship or settle there permanently.

  81. @HammerJack
    @Bill P

    Anyone who has more than three products of any kind in his bathroom (and I'm including soap) is not a real man. And you can tell Patrick Bateman I said so.

    Okay, four if you're counting toothpaste and toilet paper. And obviously if you share your bathroom with a woman it'll be more like three or four dozen.

    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you're fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you're a poof or a lady.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Duke84

    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you’re fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you’re a poof or a lady.

  82. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump has done almost nothing to stop demographic shifts against white people. The only thing he did was cut refugees by 80,000.

    Did not even cancel TPS.

    Replies: @Ed

    This is false. He canceled TPS for just about all groups. It’s just that activists and friendly liberal judges have stopped it for now. Maybe get your facts straight before you launch into criticisms of Trump. You’ll never get better than him on immigration, ever.

    https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/trump-has-ended-temporary-protected-status-hundreds-thousands-immigrants

    Since taking office, President Trump has ended crucial protections for immigrants from six countries. Over 300,000 people are at risk of losing legal Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

    TPS is a provision under which the government grants protection from deportation to people from certain countries afflicted by natural disasters, war, or other dangerous conditions.

    These moves continue a series of cruel attacks on immigrants in the U.S. that rip apart families and hurt our communities. The administration must extend TPS. And Congress should enact a permanent solution that creates a roadmap to citizenship for recipients and the millions of other immigrants in the U.S.

  83. @Joseph Doaks
    @Jack D

    The government has indeed "tried" to educate them since 1865, without notable success. Now what?

    Replies: @Jack D, @keypusher

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jack D

    Well their near unanimous support for the party that allows immigration and their failure to act like core Americans on this issue has a lot to do with it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D


    Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence?
     
    Sigh...a repost...

    There was never a “multiracial American nation”. Until the 1960s/70s, there were three loosely connected “nations”: blacks, who were the most homogeneous among them; whites, who were the real historical American nation – basically old stock Americans of British descent plus culturally assimilated groups of other Europeans (white phenotype, English language, Western culture & American historical traditions); and then, a conglomerate of Native American peoples/”nations”, who lived apart.

    Only whites, who constituted 80-85% of the populace, could be considered Americans; those other two groups were American national minorities, yet not a part of American nation. Then, in the 70s things started to change & American nation has entered the stage of dissolution.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @istevefan
    @Jack D


    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence?
     
    The term 'Old Stock Americans' doesn't only equate with a family's longevity in this country.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808.
     
    Those ancestors were involuntarily imported as beasts of burden. So, no.

    Likewise, native aboriginals were not ‘American’ in any meaningful sense of the word beyond geographic location: their stock did not colonize and establish the United States of America for themselves and their posterity.

    , @notsaying
    @Jack D

    I think "Old Stock Americans" means white people whose families have been here for a long time. But I certainly take your point and I think it's accurate to say that American Blacks who trace their ancestors to American slaves have been here longer than most White people. The Black slaves stopped coming early in the 19th century while white people continued to come in large numbers up to WWI. As long time residents of this country Blacks deserve to have their interests considered when we make decisions.

    But Black leaders, just like White leaders, have allowed the demographics of our country to become radically changed since the 1970s. I guess they though they'd do better if there were more nonwhites here. Obviously that has not happened. Instead they get to compete in and lose countless battles for housing, jobs and other resources with newcomers, including new black immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa.

    It is a terrible twist of fate that mass migration started happening shortly after the big Civil Rights bills of the 1960s got passed. A lot of help that could have gone to bring blacks up went to paying the bills for new immigrants. It's not fair. And yet Black leaders keep banging the drum for more immigration. Will they never learn?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    You’re right. They are old stock Americans. Unfortunately.

    , @ben tillman
    @Jack D

    Suppose your right. So what? The vast majority of non-whites in this country are non-blacks brought her for no reason other than to take what belongs to us.

  84. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    Ohs Tinys…….!

  85. Amy Kolbucher is more like a Special Education teacher. Nice lady who takes hotdish to her sick neighbor, but clueless about most everything around her. Promoted way beyond her competence.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    @anon

    U Chicago law graduate, and she lacks common sense. Not unusual among our parasitic elites, but still disappointing

    , @El Dato
  86. OT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/books/long-books-vacation.html

    The New York Times recommends six big books that can keep you occupied over Christmas. Number six is Bonfire of the Vanities.

  87. anon[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don't have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don't have convicts to clean it up?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Lot

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    We’re waiting for you to explain that, in something more actionable than “magic dirt”.

  88. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    Nice anecdote but the foreign born population of China is less than 0.1%. This includes counting Hong Kong and Macau born residents as foreigners.

    https://qz.com/1163632/china-still-has-the-smallest-share-of-incoming-migrants-in-the-world/

    China is changing fast. Over the past several decades, the country has transformed economically and culturally at a pace the world has rarely seen.

    Despite this metamorphosis, one thing remains the same: China has almost no migrants coming to the country. According to recently released estimates from the United Nations, as of July 2017 there were almost exactly 1 million migrants in mainland China. (People born in Hong Kong and Macau now living in China are considered migrants by the UN.) That’s just 0.07% of all people in the country, meaning China has the fewest share of migrants of any country in the world. By comparison, migrants make up 15.6% of the US population.

  89. @Realist
    @Kronos


    Wouldn’t it make more sense to send millions of third-world economic migrants to China?
     
    Do you really think China is stupid enough to accept that?

    Replies: @Kronos

    Not by themselves. But our US political nut jobs (Neocons/neoliberals) can place UN pressure on China to accept some immigrants. China and Japan are right on the money on immigration minimalism.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Kronos


    But our US political nut jobs (Neocons/neoliberals) can place UN pressure on China to accept some immigrants.
     
    They can put all the pressure they like...not going to happen.
  90. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    Well their near unanimous support for the party that allows immigration and their failure to act like core Americans on this issue has a lot to do with it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ed

    The Orthodox (the ones having the children and practicing the actual religion) support Trump 95% to 5%.

    Replies: @Ed, @Alden

  91. @bomag
    @Jack D


    She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something.
     
    Yes, I gathered that. But:

    ) She didn't indicate any halt to the inflow.

    ) In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way. More and more people are in make-work jobs; in extended childhood/education; early retirement or some kind of disability; or muddling along on the fringes. We are not tapping the masses anymore for economic growth. Most of the past and future immigrants are tagging along for the ride. We don't need politicians pretending otherwise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way.

    If what you are saying is true (and I’m not sure it is – there are a lot of jobs that robots are never going to do. The day when you can call a plumber to diagnose and fix a plumbing issue and a robot shows up by herself to do it is never or at least not for a very long time) then it applies equally (or almost equally assuming that the lowest IQ jobs will be the first to go) to non-immigrants (in particular the 15% or so of the population that is black and the additional 15% of the population that consists of low-IQ whites. Again I agree that we shouldn’t dig the hole deeper by letting in a bunch more low-IQ “refugees from Honduras” but we are going to have to confront this issue (if it is real) for everyone and not just for non-white immigrants in particular. Immigrants contain some low IQ groups (though not as low as American blacks) and some very high IQ ones (mostly Asians).

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D

    We can certainly arrange things so people are occupied and fed. It is more palatable if they have built up some historic attachment to the country.

    The odious dynamic in the Klobuchar riff is that we were promised that immigrants were awesome and natural citizens and all good, etc. etc. Now that things don't look to be turning out so rosy, we are supposed to roll up our sleeves and make a wonderful effort to train, integrate, and get everyone up to speed. Maybe we should get a refund instead.

  92. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!

    I don’t think they acquire any permanent right to stay, no birthright citizenship.

    If that were mapped on to the US it would be about 236k foreigners.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lurker

    You guys covered my would-be reply to the innumerate pretty well, but let me put it backwards. If the Chinese had our proportion of foreigners, (our 45,000,000 per Mr. Kaldian), then that would be about 200 MILLION foreigners in China. They barely put up with Marco Polo and that Priester John guy.

  93. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    so we have to make the best of what we have.

    – as the man with the flying school said when all the pigs started signing up.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @orionyx

    Great one! I've stolen it already, just now. Thank you, Orion.

  94. @bomag
    @Jack D


    She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something.
     
    Yes, I gathered that. But:

    ) She didn't indicate any halt to the inflow.

    ) In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way. More and more people are in make-work jobs; in extended childhood/education; early retirement or some kind of disability; or muddling along on the fringes. We are not tapping the masses anymore for economic growth. Most of the past and future immigrants are tagging along for the ride. We don't need politicians pretending otherwise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    BTW, isn’t there a terrific silver lining hiding inside that cloud? If we no longer need as many working people as we used to, we can tell all the married women to stay home and be housewives again – the 20th century labor shortages that forced them out of the house are over now and they can stay home and clean (OK, turn on the cleaning robot) and take care of their kids. This would reduce the labor force by almost half instantly and then all the men would have jobs! And we can give them “guaranteed incomes” – employers who employ married men would be legally required to pay them enough to support a wife and children.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don't want or need husbands or to stay home with kids. How will they meet and have kids with an Alpha male?

    Kloubuchar is a woman. Wow big surprise she's wholly for open borders, unlimited welfare, instant welfare, and so on. Starting with the widespread availability of contraception (cheap, easy, fast) White women decisively turned against White men. They don't think of themselves as White, rather as the girlfriends, wives, mistresses, and future mothers of non-White rulers. Think Barack Obama, and the millions of married White women confessing their sexual fantasies involving the man.

    [Africans alone are immune to the baby strikes seen in every place where women are urbanized and have access to cheap and easy and fast contraception. Algeria, Tunisia, IRAN, all have below replacement rate TFRs as does Japan and now even China. Duh, sexy men: best singers, fighters, dancers, low paternal investment aka zero, low natural iqs, low deferred gratification aka instant chaotic violence. Beta male provision is useless in a highly urbanized environment, let alone one with a welfare state. It is no accident as the Marxists say that any place electing lots of women as their leaders are pozzed up the Mayor Pete Buttgig, and endorsing open borders and instant welfare]

    Couple White women no longer needing to tolerate White Beta males with the New Class of hereditary "managers" in NGOs, Government, Media, Infotainment, Academia (which has exploded in size post WWII) and yes you get the feminist utopia: Brazil, South Africa, Haiti, etc.

    White women have been pissed off at us White men for a long long time: see this article from Bullshido.net on Marital Combat. The man was in a pit up to his waist and the woman had stones in some cloth sling. Things were OK when your average White man was a-Viking or fighting off Muslims or Huns. Not so when he was a fisherman or farming peasant. White women do not have the toleration for beta that Asian women from China or Japan have -- and it shows in our society and politics and mass third world immigration.

    You can see this in who converts to Islam in the West. Mostly White women -- being the harem girl of some big shot no matter how repulsive is a better deal than all of an ordinary White man. Meanwhile almost no White men convert as Muslims being non-White are not eager to share the limited harems of women with White men for whom they have a long established contempt as being rule-following, orderly, intelligent, nerdy losers whose women openly despise them.

    Democrats are the party of Gays, Nice White Ladies like Kloubachar, and the hereditary class of Managers plus non-Whites. They will ALWAYS want mass third world immigration and open borders and WAR on White beta males, its who they are. Given that Demographics removes 26 electoral votes from Republican states to massively Democratic states, in 2024 ANY Democrat can win with Illinois, California, and New York. Thus the massive failure of the Sailer Strategy.

    We are going to have open borders, unlimited welfare, and open warfare on White men. We need a strategy of FEAR involving lawfare, protests, spilling of secrets, and lots and lots of lawsuits on our enemies who are legion and relentless but are subject to financial attrition like everyone else.

    A good start would be digging into whatever nasty secrets there are regarding Kloubuchar. She's a woman and politician, so the chances of her being a more upscale version of Katie Hill are close to 98%. Punish her by revealing every nasty bribe, violation of ethics codes, and so on and the message will be received loud and clear.

    Freeze the target, personalize it, subject it to ridicule.

    Replies: @Carolingian Leprechaun, @ben tillman

    , @Kronos
    @Jack D

    You might get a kick out of this Jack D. Many married men dread the day when their wives become unemployed/homemakers.


    https://youtu.be/p-6HY6OgWdg

  95. Yeah, I caught that “invite everyone” remark during the debate last night. At first I was horrified. But then I recalled that the Klobe is basically a doofus, who doesn’t really have much understanding of the meaning of whatever words happen to be spilling out her mouth at any given moment. She’s like Joe Biden minus the Y-chromosome.

    • LOL: fish
  96. @Altai
    This is the essential problem with how economic issues have been framed since Regan. Minnesota doesn't need more economic activity than the people there need. They desire it to have an endless amount for the elite and shareholders. That doesn't make sense, that is a mentality of somebody harvesting society.

    Across the Western world, the total amount of wealth in these countries is more than sufficient, what is wrong is the distribution, but immigration just makes that distribution worse, not better.

    It's all just emblematic of seeing things from the interests and desires of employers, companies and shareholders rather the society itself.

    The wealthy countries that have least taken this nonsense to heart are also the ones with the happiest populations and generally better birth rates than their years of education equivalent countries. Denmark is great precisely because it has ignored this logic the most.

    Of course, we should note that when people say 'C-' what they are saying "People I find inferior who are working for normal market rate living wages" and 'A+' means "People I find even more inferior but less of a social threat who know their place and work for wages I'd never consider doing the job for in a million years."

    Replies: @Neuday

    The Catholic understanding of “living wage” was enough of a wage for a man to support a wife and children. So very many of our problems were created by the elites denying us that wage, immigration being a primary tool, feminism anothet. Thanks, jews!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Neuday

    Rerum novarum 1891 Pope Leo “ On the responsibilities and duties of capital and labor”

  97. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don't have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don't have convicts to clean it up?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Lot

    the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America

    There is no such idea, fundamental or otherwise. The American Dream has never consisted of mere riches. The vapid gnosticism/cynicism of your class has blinded you to what it has always been about.

    “When ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; that thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

    Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

    Who will do the menial work? Family, as we have always done, and people paid a wage commensurate with the value of their labor. If the demand for that labor rises as you fear, so will the value, given steady supply, which is what Steve advocates.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Desiderius

    Once America lost any sense of having a founding ethnicity and 'white Americans' became a 'hodge-podge' of people, only materialism was left, defining an American as an ethnicity was lost. Now an American is a consumer with a blue passport.

    Replies: @Moses

  98. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Ed

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with "hating" Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai, @bomag, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    who Trump really is…

    At the moment, lip service from Trump seems to be the best we can get in today’s climate of central power crashing ever more leftward.

    Not like Romney, McCain, and W Bush have/had done much that was conservative.

  99. @Ed
    @Jack D

    Well their near unanimous support for the party that allows immigration and their failure to act like core Americans on this issue has a lot to do with it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The Orthodox (the ones having the children and practicing the actual religion) support Trump 95% to 5%.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Desiderius

    Jack referenced blacks, that’s whom I am referencing at least.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Alden
    @Desiderius

    Not the ones in Los Angels. The Chabad Orthodox voting precincts went democrat all the way.

  100. @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason


    the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America
     
    There is no such idea, fundamental or otherwise. The American Dream has never consisted of mere riches. The vapid gnosticism/cynicism of your class has blinded you to what it has always been about.


    "When ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; that thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

    Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."


    Who will do the menial work? Family, as we have always done, and people paid a wage commensurate with the value of their labor. If the demand for that labor rises as you fear, so will the value, given steady supply, which is what Steve advocates.

    Replies: @Altai

    Once America lost any sense of having a founding ethnicity and ‘white Americans’ became a ‘hodge-podge’ of people, only materialism was left, defining an American as an ethnicity was lost. Now an American is a consumer with a blue passport.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Altai

    Oddly, Asians in Asia consider only White Americans to be "real Americans."

    It makes sense too, given how they think. To them, "Chinese" means Han. "Japanese" means Japanese. "Vietnamese" means Kinh. "Korean" means Korean.

    Nationality to Asians is ethnic/racial.

    It's natural they extend this thinking to America.

    I have had Asians tell me "Asian-Americans aren't really American."

    It took me some time, but eventually I realized that their view of nationality is the more natural one.

    I once said "If I could get a Chinese passport that would make me Chinese, right?" Chinese laughed in my face. It was the funniest and most absurd thing she ever heard.

    Asian parents insist their children are taught English by Whites. Even non-native-English Euros are preferable to Asian-Americans.

    Again, makes sense. Who wants to learn Chinese from a White person?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  101. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence?

    Sigh…a repost…

    There was never a “multiracial American nation”. Until the 1960s/70s, there were three loosely connected “nations”: blacks, who were the most homogeneous among them; whites, who were the real historical American nation – basically old stock Americans of British descent plus culturally assimilated groups of other Europeans (white phenotype, English language, Western culture & American historical traditions); and then, a conglomerate of Native American peoples/”nations”, who lived apart.

    Only whites, who constituted 80-85% of the populace, could be considered Americans; those other two groups were American national minorities, yet not a part of American nation. Then, in the 70s things started to change & American nation has entered the stage of dissolution.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "There was never a “multiracial American nation”. Until the 1960s/70s, there were three loosely connected “nations”..."

    By 1700, there were the Europeans who settled and immigrated here, the Africans who were brought over by force to serve as slaves, and the various indigenous groups who were conquered. All of these groups were intertwined, not "loosely connected".

    "whites, who were the real historical American nation..."

    That would be Fake News. At that time (1700's), Europeans generally viewed themselves as Europeans. There was an "ethnic hierarchy" in place. Refer to patriots like Benjamin Franklin were wary of "outsiders", chiefly the Germans.

    We also know this notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European ethnic hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    "Only whites, who constituted 80-85% of the populace, could be considered Americans..."

    LOL, no. Let us look at this “great replacement” in the United States from this assumption--The true "Heritage Americans" are WASPs. They built America. How can we argue with that historical reality?

    Therefore it is tragic that WASP redoubts were subsequently overrun by foul-mouthed, parasitic louts from Eastern and Southern Europe in the late 1800 and early 1900’s. The 1924 Quota Act was a long-waited panacea to reign in such an odious creature, a wonderful piece of legislation that would make Hans F.K. Gunther proud. See, the simple fact of the matter, from the WASP point of view, is that the Eastern/Southern Europeans are infected with the “chosenite” virus. Stellar at patronizing, but not so much at moral consistency and applying to themselves the standards they demand of others.

    Face it, the Poles were especially notorious for being dirty, disease-ridden papists. The Italians bred like rabbits, lived in cramped quarters, and would not even bat an eyelash to bash in someone’s skull for a plug nickel. Yet, here we are with millions of them in the United States currently claiming they were historically embraced by their WASP counterparts because they were “white” and “European”, while simultaneously denying opportunities their forefathers and foremothers received. Nostalgia has a funny way of distorting what truly went on in the past. WASPs were absolutely correct in connecting these particular groups with their own unique “proboscis” instinct. It is an absolute shame that the aforementioned legislation unfortunately failed miserably in its purpose and intention.

    So many advocates of the Alt Right use the cudgel as “they must go back” for the various blacks and browns and yellows who entered our shores since 1965…when in reality their own ancestors ought not be here, if they applied their own logic to themselves!

    Consider that Alt Right guru Vox Day assuredly champions the WASP cause–Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people, in particular Alt Right leaders, whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Poles have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    Of course, it needs to be mentioned here, from the WASP lens, that Eastern and Southern Europeans do not think like WASPs. The mind of those groups individually and collectively is numbingly simplistic in brain structure. They lack the distinct ability to understand individual justice, or even have a conscience for that matter. Again, we were told by nativists long ago, for example, that the Italians especially are notorious for having a completely different neurological reality, different even in matters of soul. But what do they know, right?

    In the end, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen. These principles only apply to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Poland or in Serbia or in Bulgaria are other than American. They pushed out the WASPs while eagerly putting their out snout in the trough that they simply did not built.

    We all have to go back.

  102. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence?

    The term ‘Old Stock Americans’ doesn’t only equate with a family’s longevity in this country.

  103. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don't have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don't have convicts to clean it up?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Lot

    “And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don’t have convicts to clean it up?”

    Inmate roadside litter crews cost more in in security and transportation costs than the value of their work.

  104. @Bill P
    Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh's voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it's deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    https://youtu.be/46-WNPlCYsg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @HammerJack, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @petit bourgeois, @Yngvar

    …I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh’s voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    Pete BUTTKRIEG is a member of an ultra-esoteric, Maltese human sacrifice & all-purpose “mystery”/sodomy cult, so why not?*

    *Technically, there’s no evidence to support my assertions about that horrible little man.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Kevin O'Keeffe


    Pete BUTTKRIEG
     
    This is it. This is the one.

    I've seen at least a dozen unique nicknames for this man, all playing on the unfortunate first four letters of his surname. But this is the one. By which I mean it is the one most likely to be used by a well-known Twitter troll who tweets under @realDonaldTrump.
  105. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.

    Realistically, necessity is the mother of invention. Stop framing the questioning terms of “How can we deport the people we don’t want in the current legal framework?” The question needs to be broader to allow for maximum possibilities. I would put it as: “These demographics are problematic. Is there a humane way to reduce their numbers and/or separate the minority of good specimens out from the obviously parasitic ones?”

    Assuming you are American, let me remind you that part of being a pioneer nation is having the imagination to carve out a path to survival in the face of existential threats. So maybe it’s time we dusted off that pioneer imagination.

  106. @Desiderius
    @Ed

    The Orthodox (the ones having the children and practicing the actual religion) support Trump 95% to 5%.

    Replies: @Ed, @Alden

    Jack referenced blacks, that’s whom I am referencing at least.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ed

    Heh.

    Apologies.

    We may see the same from Blacks in the not so long term.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  107. @theMann
    Ms. Klobuchar's skin doesn't seem to agree with her.

    I wonder if she understands that whatever Weimar America births. It will be 100 times worse than what Weimar Germany birthed?

    There is going to be a sad day for Race Traitors in this country, I only hope I live long enough to see it.

    Replies: @Jack Henson

    When the wheels come off this thing and “respect my pronouns or I’ll get you unpersoned” America meets “training for guerilla combat on my day off at the 2gun” America they will write about the result for 1000 years.

  108. @Jonathan Mason

    As you know, the governor swears an oath to uphold The Economy, to help The Economy be all it can be. If the current B+ population of Minnesota isn’t living up to The Economy’s needs, then it’s governor’s legal obligation to do something about the current population.
     
    Well, quite.

    Politicians everywhere have a tendency to use unexamined cliches as if they were self-evident truths. For example, talking about what is good for the economy, or good for society.

    It was Margaret Thatcher who said: "There is no such thing as society." And followed up with:

    There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.

    And in discussions regarding Scottish independence and Brexit, it is all about the "economy", because it is assumed that creating more or less jobs is shorthand for quality of life. Will this make us richer, will this make us poorer? Who gets the Scottish oilfields?

    And not about questions like: How will this affect the weather? How will this affect health care? How will this affect the quality of TV we get? How will the affect the quality of education? How will this affect our literature and arts? How will this affect the quality of our food? Will we still have cheap bananas in Scotland?

    Replies: @Nico

    And not about questions like: How will this affect the weather? How will this affect health care? How will this affect the quality of TV we get? How will the affect the quality of education? How will this affect our literature and arts? How will this affect the quality of our food? Will we still have cheap bananas in Scotland?

    Indeed. Part of the problem is that the unimaginative majority is unable to conceive of the ubiquitous banal pleasantries they take for granted as qualitative variables, and in the current day our gosplanners are better able to sweep them aside for their own quantitative pecuniary gain than ever before.

    Some months ago I noted the increase in low-cost supermarkets and young people resorting to fast food and kebabs and increasingly unable to cook even the basic stuff from fresh ingredients, here in France, and opined to a friend that the French culinary culture of pretty much everyone at all social levels cooking and eating generally *well* and variedly at each meal with varying degrees only of complexity between classes. He retorted, “But our culture of gastronomic excellence is so strong, it will NEVER go extinct!” as though inclusion on the UNESCO list of intangible cultural patrimony is any sort of insurance. He’s actually not a stupid guy but he’s clearly at least dense and unimaginative enough not to understand that if the mechanism for transmitting a culture to future generations fail the culture will die out, however “strong” he thinks it.

    • Agree: El Dato
  109. anon[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    OT: Another Boeing success in the Age of Woke:

    Boeing's Starliner crew capsule WON'T dock with ISS on Saturday after launching into the 'wrong orbit' during its first test flight for NASA's astronaut taxi service due to start in 2020

    The mission's only crew is a a space test dummy known as Rosie based on WW2 character Rosie the Riveter
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7812943/Boeing-sends-Rosie-dummy-space-key-crewless-mission.html

    I guess Rosie is not good with directions. Maybe they would have better luck if they had sent a boy dummy named Chuck instead, although the real Chuck Yeager (still alive and kicking at 96) might not have liked it.

    Did they get the Hidden Figures ladies to compute the orbit? Did Rosie forget to say "I'm not going until the girl checks the numbers" (or maybe she did say it and that's the problem)?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @anon, @rexl

    The burn failure is probably software, but could be any of several things. The vehicle is in a reasonably stable orbit so Boeing can learn a lot about its performance for a week or three. Returning to Earth via land instead of water is a change from the older space program. That should be interesting.

    Atlas V is not just a copy of the 1960’s rocket, it has many internal changes. Really, though, the step / stage rocket burning LOX and fuel is just a bigger version of the V 2. Robert Goddard would recognize a lot of the hardware of the rockets made by US, Russia, China, France, North Korea, etc. It’s mature technology but the basics are 80 years old or so.

    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-oft-next-steps.html

    SpaceX will solve their escape tower / thruster problem, and then once it’s man-certified there will be two US made launch vehicles to Low Earth Orbit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anon

    We "learned a lot" when Challenger exploded, too. You know what's even better than learning from your mistakes? Not making them in the first place.

    Replies: @anon

  110. @Jack D
    @bomag

    BTW, isn't there a terrific silver lining hiding inside that cloud? If we no longer need as many working people as we used to, we can tell all the married women to stay home and be housewives again - the 20th century labor shortages that forced them out of the house are over now and they can stay home and clean (OK, turn on the cleaning robot) and take care of their kids. This would reduce the labor force by almost half instantly and then all the men would have jobs! And we can give them "guaranteed incomes" - employers who employ married men would be legally required to pay them enough to support a wife and children.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Kronos

    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don’t want or need husbands or to stay home with kids. How will they meet and have kids with an Alpha male?

    Kloubuchar is a woman. Wow big surprise she’s wholly for open borders, unlimited welfare, instant welfare, and so on. Starting with the widespread availability of contraception (cheap, easy, fast) White women decisively turned against White men. They don’t think of themselves as White, rather as the girlfriends, wives, mistresses, and future mothers of non-White rulers. Think Barack Obama, and the millions of married White women confessing their sexual fantasies involving the man.

    [Africans alone are immune to the baby strikes seen in every place where women are urbanized and have access to cheap and easy and fast contraception. Algeria, Tunisia, IRAN, all have below replacement rate TFRs as does Japan and now even China. Duh, sexy men: best singers, fighters, dancers, low paternal investment aka zero, low natural iqs, low deferred gratification aka instant chaotic violence. Beta male provision is useless in a highly urbanized environment, let alone one with a welfare state. It is no accident as the Marxists say that any place electing lots of women as their leaders are pozzed up the Mayor Pete Buttgig, and endorsing open borders and instant welfare]

    Couple White women no longer needing to tolerate White Beta males with the New Class of hereditary “managers” in NGOs, Government, Media, Infotainment, Academia (which has exploded in size post WWII) and yes you get the feminist utopia: Brazil, South Africa, Haiti, etc.

    White women have been pissed off at us White men for a long long time: see this article from Bullshido.net on Marital Combat. The man was in a pit up to his waist and the woman had stones in some cloth sling. Things were OK when your average White man was a-Viking or fighting off Muslims or Huns. Not so when he was a fisherman or farming peasant. White women do not have the toleration for beta that Asian women from China or Japan have — and it shows in our society and politics and mass third world immigration.

    You can see this in who converts to Islam in the West. Mostly White women — being the harem girl of some big shot no matter how repulsive is a better deal than all of an ordinary White man. Meanwhile almost no White men convert as Muslims being non-White are not eager to share the limited harems of women with White men for whom they have a long established contempt as being rule-following, orderly, intelligent, nerdy losers whose women openly despise them.

    Democrats are the party of Gays, Nice White Ladies like Kloubachar, and the hereditary class of Managers plus non-Whites. They will ALWAYS want mass third world immigration and open borders and WAR on White beta males, its who they are. Given that Demographics removes 26 electoral votes from Republican states to massively Democratic states, in 2024 ANY Democrat can win with Illinois, California, and New York. Thus the massive failure of the Sailer Strategy.

    We are going to have open borders, unlimited welfare, and open warfare on White men. We need a strategy of FEAR involving lawfare, protests, spilling of secrets, and lots and lots of lawsuits on our enemies who are legion and relentless but are subject to financial attrition like everyone else.

    A good start would be digging into whatever nasty secrets there are regarding Kloubuchar. She’s a woman and politician, so the chances of her being a more upscale version of Katie Hill are close to 98%. Punish her by revealing every nasty bribe, violation of ethics codes, and so on and the message will be received loud and clear.

    Freeze the target, personalize it, subject it to ridicule.

    • Replies: @Carolingian Leprechaun
    @Whiskey

    You didn't just hit the nail on the head—you hit several. Especially for the top 10-15% of white women.

    I think the biggest challenge is coming up with a viable, attractive alternative a do-what-you-want, free-love, welfare u(dys)-topia. A 9-5-job, personal-responsibility, nuclear-family White-topia wouldn't get enough votes, even among the current crop of whites.

    , @ben tillman
    @Whiskey


    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don’t want or need husbands or to stay home with kids.
     
    Sorry, Whiskey. Women *do* want to stay home with the kids.

    Replies: @anon

  111. Look, here’s the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you’d still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that’ll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain’t the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head “pure stock” loser who couldn’t give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America’s strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    • Agree: Jack D, Desiderius
    • Disagree: TWS
    • Replies: @anon
    @nebulafox

    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.” The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White. This will percolate down to affect all other minorities, as it will determine how they try to advance in our society, either via intersectional gibbs or via adopting healthy White attitudes and culture.

    The reality is that the upper crust of every minority group wants to fall in the White tent. And we see this on a daily basis, when normal minorities (and even the rare Black) adopt White culture, they are often treated as honorary Whites or at least viewed as acting White.

    America is unavoidably headed for a more nuanced racial caste system. The definition of White needs to be expanded to include a behavioral component to exist in this world. If done correctly, it could create a powerful magnet to pull together enough Whites and “White tent” allies to sustain political power for a very long time. More effective than Citizenism or hopes for assimilation.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Corvinus

    , @Jack Henson
    @nebulafox

    Okay boomer

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @nebulafox


    Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want.
     
    True, but world is not ruled by sanity. If I was a Russian in 1916, I would probably want that we win a war or some compromise; I could never have imagined that some weird sect would come to power & impose a cartoonish theocracy, with more than 8 million people killed in the Civil war.

    People are not moved by rational interests.

    Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive.
     

    I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.

    (As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head “pure stock” loser who couldn’t give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)
     

    Just, it won't happen. Foreigners remain foreigners- forever. Pat Buchanan may be blind re many matters, but here he was succinct - and right:


    Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us.

    Replies: @Ed, @Colin Wright

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @nebulafox


    How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli.
     
    You’re overthinking it. An “ethno-sectarian explosion” would occur naturally; it need not be consciously contrived. In retrospect, historians may note the conditions that caused it. Sailer and others are documenting those conditions in real time.

    many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized
     
    They’re not, actually. They conform to each other and traitor whites and Jews.

    See the data in my debates with Corvinus and Twinkie regarding the First and Second Amendments and immigration, demographics, and voting:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/manifest-density/#comment-3434907 (#139, etc.)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chinese-vs-indians-columbus-will-have-been-right-about-who-lives-here/#comment-3466695 (#72, etc.)

    You’re not going to outfox a supernova.

    , @Ed
    @nebulafox

    There’s no turning back. Best now is to stem the tide and move the Overton window. That’s what Trump has attempted to do. Unfortunately the reaction from white libs is to be even more radical on immigration which means their defeat in ‘20 is again crucial.

  112. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Ed

    can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people.

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members. It has less to do with "hating" Trump, and more to do with not being blind about who Trump really is behind the projection.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai, @bomag, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    They probably realize that Trump is a failed real estate developer and part-time TV celebrity who has no ability or actual interest in doing anything other than enriching himself and his family members.

    Why would a billionaire go to the trouble of being elected President, merely so he could make more money? That seems like something only a very stupid person could believe.

    Or were you lying?

  113. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.

    Maybe Trump and Putin can arrange to travel to their next summit location by steamships or DC-3’s then pull up to the venue riding in Packard limousines.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Sol

    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.

    That sounds weird. But if the device is reliable, and has a good safety record, what need is there for improvement?

    (I have no knowledge of whether the device meets that criteria.)

  114. @Anon
    OT

    The fringes are getting fringier.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/membership

    Prohibiting Caste Prejudice on Campus

    Brandeis University has added caste identity as "a recognized and protected characteristic" in the institution's antidiscrimination policy. The move was made to address caste distinctions among students and faculty members of South Asian descent.
     

    "Brandeis believes that since caste identity is so intertwined with many of the legally recognized and protected characteristics, discrimination based on a person's caste is effectively the same," Liebowitz said a written statement. "Going forward, the Office of Equal Opportunity will oversee issues and complaints of discrimination related to caste brought forward by members of the Brandeis community, just as it does for other types of discrimination."
     
    So is this like Sharia law for subcontinentals?

    The caste system is a centuries-old social hierarchy that has led to oppression of people in lower castes in some South Asian communities, most notably in India....
     
    I thought that the colonial British created the caste system. Isn't that the progressive academic party line? Or they "perfected" it, or "encouraged" it. By the way, the UK apparently already has this sort of caste discrimination law, promoted by "Dalit" untouchable immigrants.

    Replies: @PSR, @Chris Renner, @Daniel H, @PiltdownMan

    I believe the Indian caste system was in place for centuries before the British arrived. The Brits just tolerated it as they tolerated so many cultural oddities in their farflung colonial possessions. That’s how you hold an empire together with a handful of soldiers, merchants and adminstrators.

    • Agree: jim jones
  115. @Known Fact
    Yamiche Alcindor? Why not change it to Yamiche Abdul-Jabbar

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Asking if the two are related was third on Google autofill when typing in her name, but according to her, there is no relation.

  116. Planeload of 150 illegals disinvited from Tucson to Guadalajara. US economy to survive anyway.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico/repatriation-of-mexican-deportees-to-interior-begins-with-first-u-s-flight-idUSKBN1YN2BH?il=0

    Probably not hot-dish Amy’s gardener, though. Not yet.

  117. Dayton was a Rockefeller by marriage, not by birth. He was married to Jay’s sister from 1978-1986.

  118. @Joseph Doaks
    @Jack D

    The government has indeed "tried" to educate them since 1865, without notable success. Now what?

    Replies: @Jack D, @keypusher

    That’s nonsense, as our host points out constantly (most recently in his piece about PISA scores). Hell, just compare the b/w NAEP gap in 1971 (when they started looking) and now.

  119. @Ed
    When you talk to academics offline, one on one, very few will admit that America being majority non-white is a good thing. Most are aware of the educational deficiencies of blacks and Hispanics. They’ll say stuff like, “ we need to spend more on education” but I doubt they really believe that it’s the fix.

    Anyway I can’t imagine being a core American and hating Trump enough to vote for these people. I wonder what goes through such folks heads?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @ScarletNumber

    “we need to spend more on education” but I doubt they really believe that it’s the fix.

    Ron White says you can’t fix stupid.

  120. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @jsm
    @istevefan


    this slight oversight has turned out to be a major flaw which means that years before this nation celebrates its tricentennial, over half the population will have become unrecognizable to those Founders.
     
    Horse puckies.

    It's not the Founders' fault due to their "oversight" that they "failed to make a distinction" or something like that. It's solely due to the jibber-jabber of anti-Whites who don't WANT America to be mostly White, who make up lies that somehow, because some non-Whites were allowed in at some point in the past, that every non-White in the world therefore has a right to come here and if the descendants of the Founders don't like it, too bad.
    It wouldn't matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they've jibber-jabbered their way past "our posterity."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It wouldn’t matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they’ve jibber-jabbered their way past “our posterity.”

    A strict interpretation of “our posterity” would also exclude many whites, which obviously is not the intent of those who invoke those words today.

    The liberal, individualist philosophy behind the Constitution meant that there would be a bias towards expanding and extending rights over time, regardless of whatever else the Founders might have written or done. This is why most people don’t have a problem with the abolition of slavery and extension of rights to blacks, despite many of the Founders having approved of and practiced slavery themselves. This is also why many in the American far-right have traditionally turned to illiberal political philosophies from Europe, because the liberal, individualist Enlightenment philosophy of the founding is not sufficient to support a right-wing, traditionalist, group based political order and philosophy.

    If the Founding and Constitution had been based on a philosophy of racialism rather than Enlightenment liberalism and individualism, then most people would have recognized that abolition and the expansion and extension of rights over time were a revolutionary break with the principles of the Constitution. But because of Enlightenment liberalism, most people today regard the extension of rights as not only compatible with the Constitution, but its proper fulfillment.

    • Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog
    @Anonymous

    That's a load of crap. The Constitution isn't even remotely being followed and hasn't been since at least the time of FDR's New Deal. They so blatantly violated rights that he tried to argue he was constitutionally entitled to dictate how much wheat a man can grow not for sale but for personal use. When things didn't go his way he tried to pack the Supreme Court (until they surrendered) and he held free speech hostage by controlling the licenses to broadcast. He radically cracked down on gun rights and didn't even bother with getting a constitutional amendment. They widened the interpretation of the commerce clause to such ridiculous levels that it entirely invalidated the rest of the document.

    Unlike the abuses under Lincoln and Wilson, FDR did all of this during peacetime. The founding stock would have certainly rebelled in 1933 had they been alive.

    The extension of black "rights" in 1965 meant that they couldn't be "discriminated" against, which is a violation of the 1st Amendment's freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Now the courts will order you to pay potentially millions to any grievance groups (other than white) for exercising your free speech; if this is not government tyranny, I don't know what is. It's certainly far in excess of anything King George had ever done.

    None of this is to say there's anything wrong with illiberal European political philosophies. But it's transparently false to claim that individual rights are the governing principle of our time when whites are currently being held collectively guilty and non-whites are being held collectively entitled to everything we've built. As Bush allegedly said, it's [now] just a scrap of paper.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  121. istevefan says:

    Look, here’s the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen

    It doesn’t have to stop, but it should be severely curtailed which is possible.

    How exactly do you propose to get rid of them?

    Peacefully if possible. We have a lot of funds available that could be used to encourage repatriation. Most of these newcomers are here for economic reasons and have no real attachment to the US. Additionally they keep ties to their native countries with extensive family connections. So it is not surprising that some did leave during the economic downturn of 2008-9.

    Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of the newcomers are urban dwellers. Historically the people who are most stubborn to leave a new land are the ones who farm it. You could point out that most Whites nowadays don’t farm, or don’t even have a farmer in their parent’s or grandparent’s generation. True, but many Americans don’t have to go back too far to find an ancestor on an American farm.

    You’ll note many Whites who don’t even live in rural areas still have an idealized affection for rural American life because of the historical narrative it has played in our collective history. Many Whites who live in built-up areas like to get away by driving to the country to visit Amish farms, or perhaps Civil War battlefields that seem to have little to no appeal to the non-European newcomers.

    We also have an attachment to the history of this nation unlike non-Europeans. Because even if you were not a founding stock American, you can still look upon the Founders and consider them yours. That is much harder for people who are more culturally and ethnically distinct.

    The bottom line is a far larger percentage of White Americans than non-Whites are tied to this nation historically and culturally and will remain here through good times and bad.

    An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli.

    A lot of things historically were considered a fait accompli, until they weren’t. Pat Buchanan once wrote about a term he called the “Theory of Inevitability”. According to Pat, the theory of inevitability is used by the left to get you to stop opposing them because, as you put it, it is a fait accompli.

    I’m sure Mexicans were told in 1849 that it was a fait accompli that the Americans were now in control of a certain portion of their territories. Americans meanwhile have been told for at least 30 years that it was a fait accompli that Mexicans were going to become the dominant demographic group in those same territories. So one fait accompli led to another in about 130 years.

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs,

    Assimilation of such a large number of non-Europeans would mean the elimination of Europeans as a distinctive population, or at least a severe reduction in their numbers. Why would we want to do this? If America was and is a nation founded by Europeans, and whose greatness was generated with ideas and human capital from Europe, why would we want to eliminate Europeans as a distinctive group in this land? Even if they are going to lose their majority status, isn’t it worthwhile for them to preserve themselves?

    The name of the game has to be preservation at all costs. Europeans in Europe as well as Europeans in the New World should want to preserve their presence in this world in which they are already declining percentage-wise worldwide. Ironically Whites who purport to support diversity ARE the diversity, and thus they should be concerned with preserving themselves, if not for their sake, then for the world’s.

    • Replies: @GSR
    @istevefan

    Well said. Many a fait accompli is gaslighting.

    , @Lot
    @istevefan

    Good post.

    Zero new third world legal immigration means a gradual but significant reduction of America’s third world population:

    1. Illegals are gradually deported
    2. Both illegal and legal immigrants voluntarily go home for family, cultural and cost of living reasons.
    3. Limited-term visas expire and cannot be renewed
    4. Stephen Miller’s great new public charge rule stops poor legal immigrants from becoming citizens, and over time they commit crimes that render them deportable.

    I don’t think this all will actually happen, but it is certainly a realistic possibility. Trump wins, the GOP retakes the House, RBG gets replaced, and the wall plus and expanded ban on visas from Muslim countries and asylum reform and scale back birthright citizenship... all quite possible.

    You put these all together and end up with a decline of third world migrant populations of about 500,000 a year, probably hitting 700,000 if there’s a recession.

  122. @Jack D
    OT: Another Boeing success in the Age of Woke:

    Boeing's Starliner crew capsule WON'T dock with ISS on Saturday after launching into the 'wrong orbit' during its first test flight for NASA's astronaut taxi service due to start in 2020

    The mission's only crew is a a space test dummy known as Rosie based on WW2 character Rosie the Riveter
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7812943/Boeing-sends-Rosie-dummy-space-key-crewless-mission.html

    I guess Rosie is not good with directions. Maybe they would have better luck if they had sent a boy dummy named Chuck instead, although the real Chuck Yeager (still alive and kicking at 96) might not have liked it.

    Did they get the Hidden Figures ladies to compute the orbit? Did Rosie forget to say "I'm not going until the girl checks the numbers" (or maybe she did say it and that's the problem)?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @anon, @rexl

    Just a “timing error” the check is still in the mail, no harm, no foul.

  123. @Dumbo
    @Redneck farmer

    I tend to disagree even with this view. Importing high IQ people has two problems, one, you create a brain drain in the countries where immigrants come from, two, you create more competition in your own country. What's wrong with prioritizing native peoples, independently of their IQ?

    Replies: @Chris Renner

    Ditto. Not to mention the social problems that arise from having an identifiable group of people who are well aware of their higher IQs…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Chris Renner

    Traditionally the way we've done immigration is waves and pauses. It's time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Replies: @Daniel H

  124. This explicit replacement advocacy has been widespread among Democrats in the state for many years, and as of yet, no political price has been paid. Dayton retired as Governor, but a fellow DFL’er Tim Walz cruised to victory, and has resumed chanting the mantra:

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/12/13/inn-is-not-full-in-minnesota-walz-backs-continued-refugee-settlement

    “Refugees strengthen our communities,” the governor wrote in a letter released by his office to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. “Bringing new cultures and fresh perspectives, they contribute to the social fabric of our state. Opening businesses and supporting existing ones, they are critical to the success of our economy.” …

    Minnesota has a rich tradition, especially as it deals with refugees. Because of that our state is better for it. Our state is economically stronger. Our state is more diverse.”

    Statewide, Dems swept all Constitutional offices and both US Senate seats in 2008.

    There are clear signs of increasing urban-rural divide (House seats in the outstate region flipped R, suburban seats flipping D). But let’s just say there is no organized movement to increase the population in the part of the state having the old cultures and the stale perspectives, as Walz would call them, with reinforcements any time soon.

  125. @Anon
    OT

    The fringes are getting fringier.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/membership

    Prohibiting Caste Prejudice on Campus

    Brandeis University has added caste identity as "a recognized and protected characteristic" in the institution's antidiscrimination policy. The move was made to address caste distinctions among students and faculty members of South Asian descent.
     

    "Brandeis believes that since caste identity is so intertwined with many of the legally recognized and protected characteristics, discrimination based on a person's caste is effectively the same," Liebowitz said a written statement. "Going forward, the Office of Equal Opportunity will oversee issues and complaints of discrimination related to caste brought forward by members of the Brandeis community, just as it does for other types of discrimination."
     
    So is this like Sharia law for subcontinentals?

    The caste system is a centuries-old social hierarchy that has led to oppression of people in lower castes in some South Asian communities, most notably in India....
     
    I thought that the colonial British created the caste system. Isn't that the progressive academic party line? Or they "perfected" it, or "encouraged" it. By the way, the UK apparently already has this sort of caste discrimination law, promoted by "Dalit" untouchable immigrants.

    Replies: @PSR, @Chris Renner, @Daniel H, @PiltdownMan

    More of this, please. I’ve met a few high-caste Indian immigrants to the US who needed to be cut down a bit, and this is a great tool to do the cutting.

  126. anon[605] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    Look, here's the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you'd still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that's not what anybody sane should want. America's new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that'll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain't the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head "pure stock" loser who couldn't give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America's strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Henson, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ed

    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.” The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White. This will percolate down to affect all other minorities, as it will determine how they try to advance in our society, either via intersectional gibbs or via adopting healthy White attitudes and culture.

    The reality is that the upper crust of every minority group wants to fall in the White tent. And we see this on a daily basis, when normal minorities (and even the rare Black) adopt White culture, they are often treated as honorary Whites or at least viewed as acting White.

    America is unavoidably headed for a more nuanced racial caste system. The definition of White needs to be expanded to include a behavioral component to exist in this world. If done correctly, it could create a powerful magnet to pull together enough Whites and “White tent” allies to sustain political power for a very long time. More effective than Citizenism or hopes for assimilation.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @anon


    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.”
     
    It is never a screw-up for living things to focus exclusively on their life.
    , @Corvinus
    @anon

    "The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White."

    That's easy! Just follow the Alt Right Chart I created for your convenience!


    BAD
    Trouble maker white –> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white –> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white –> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white –> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not –> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites –> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white –> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white –> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white –> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

  127. @Jack D
    @bomag

    BTW, isn't there a terrific silver lining hiding inside that cloud? If we no longer need as many working people as we used to, we can tell all the married women to stay home and be housewives again - the 20th century labor shortages that forced them out of the house are over now and they can stay home and clean (OK, turn on the cleaning robot) and take care of their kids. This would reduce the labor force by almost half instantly and then all the men would have jobs! And we can give them "guaranteed incomes" - employers who employ married men would be legally required to pay them enough to support a wife and children.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Kronos

    You might get a kick out of this Jack D. Many married men dread the day when their wives become unemployed/homemakers.

  128. @Ed
    @Desiderius

    Jack referenced blacks, that’s whom I am referencing at least.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Heh.

    Apologies.

    We may see the same from Blacks in the not so long term.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Desiderius

    https://twitter.com/SenatorTimScott/status/1208062432603713537?s=20

    HBCUs = Orthodox Blacks

  129. @nebulafox
    Look, here's the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you'd still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that's not what anybody sane should want. America's new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that'll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain't the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head "pure stock" loser who couldn't give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America's strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Henson, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ed

    Okay boomer

  130. @Chris Renner
    @Dumbo

    Ditto. Not to mention the social problems that arise from having an identifiable group of people who are well aware of their higher IQs...

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Traditionally the way we’ve done immigration is waves and pauses. It’s time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Desiderius

    Traditionally the way we’ve done immigration is waves and pauses. It’s time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Wrong approach. You can't give the Cucks any wiggle room. We must be entirely uncompromising. New meme: Immigration, don't mend it, END IT. All of it. Forever. Don't yield. Don't compromise.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Elsewhere

  131. @Kronos
    @Realist

    Not by themselves. But our US political nut jobs (Neocons/neoliberals) can place UN pressure on China to accept some immigrants. China and Japan are right on the money on immigration minimalism.

    Replies: @Realist

    But our US political nut jobs (Neocons/neoliberals) can place UN pressure on China to accept some immigrants.

    They can put all the pressure they like…not going to happen.

  132. Alcindor! Wow, that name resonates across the ages. Remember Lou Alcindor (pronounced al-CIN-dor)?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Daniel H

    He went by Lew. Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr.

  133. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.

    There is no reason we cannot send them back. They are here on an illegitimate basis, so we can justly send them back. You have been mesmerized by static analysis. The problem is not sending them back. The problem is all the repercussions that must accompany the reckoning.

  134. @Desiderius
    @Chris Renner

    Traditionally the way we've done immigration is waves and pauses. It's time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    Traditionally the way we’ve done immigration is waves and pauses. It’s time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Wrong approach. You can’t give the Cucks any wiggle room. We must be entirely uncompromising. New meme: Immigration, don’t mend it, END IT. All of it. Forever. Don’t yield. Don’t compromise.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Daniel H

    You and what army, hotshot?

    , @Elsewhere
    @Daniel H

    I disagree. People are more likely to support something that is seen as traditional to America and not a radical change. Closing the door indefinitely sounds radical, even though we know it would likely not be forever.

  135. @nebulafox
    Look, here's the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you'd still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that's not what anybody sane should want. America's new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that'll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain't the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head "pure stock" loser who couldn't give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America's strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Henson, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ed

    Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want.

    True, but world is not ruled by sanity. If I was a Russian in 1916, I would probably want that we win a war or some compromise; I could never have imagined that some weird sect would come to power & impose a cartoonish theocracy, with more than 8 million people killed in the Civil war.

    People are not moved by rational interests.

    Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive.

    I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.

    (As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head “pure stock” loser who couldn’t give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    Just, it won’t happen. Foreigners remain foreigners- forever. Pat Buchanan may be blind re many matters, but here he was succinct – and right:


    Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us.

    • Agree: Houston 1992, TWS
    • Replies: @Ed
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed. The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905? Lenin was agitating for Bolshevism since he was a teenager. The school he went to produced several radicals including the “moderate” Kerensky.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    , @Colin Wright
    @Bardon Kaldian

    'I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.'

    ? Why 're'?

  136. @Anon
    OT

    The fringes are getting fringier.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/membership

    Prohibiting Caste Prejudice on Campus

    Brandeis University has added caste identity as "a recognized and protected characteristic" in the institution's antidiscrimination policy. The move was made to address caste distinctions among students and faculty members of South Asian descent.
     

    "Brandeis believes that since caste identity is so intertwined with many of the legally recognized and protected characteristics, discrimination based on a person's caste is effectively the same," Liebowitz said a written statement. "Going forward, the Office of Equal Opportunity will oversee issues and complaints of discrimination related to caste brought forward by members of the Brandeis community, just as it does for other types of discrimination."
     
    So is this like Sharia law for subcontinentals?

    The caste system is a centuries-old social hierarchy that has led to oppression of people in lower castes in some South Asian communities, most notably in India....
     
    I thought that the colonial British created the caste system. Isn't that the progressive academic party line? Or they "perfected" it, or "encouraged" it. By the way, the UK apparently already has this sort of caste discrimination law, promoted by "Dalit" untouchable immigrants.

    Replies: @PSR, @Chris Renner, @Daniel H, @PiltdownMan

    It is likely that the beneficiaries of these measures will not be some low caste Hindu but some higher caste Hindu who will claim offense that anybody dare criticize the extremely cruel and racist caste system. Hindus know how to work a system to their advantage.

  137. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children … so we have to make the best of what we have

    Uh huh. You do realize that all sorts of things can happen?

    Given what happened to some of your recent ancestors, you seem oddly asleep to the possibilities of what in retrospect becomes history.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn't. The story of E. Europe was not, "And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after." Even the "winners" in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable - things are never really "normal" ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It's a royal fukin' mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It's no walk in the park.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @istevefan, @anon, @Father O'Hara

  138. Hey Steve,

    I wonder how much of this is anti-White hate stupidity due to a misapplication of transitive property.

    For instance, Hispanics and Asians make up a vast majority of immigrants, and they make up a vast amount of the immigrant onflow.

    They tend to have low crime rates, so people make the assumption that any immigration==low crime rates, as immigrants move into poor American neighborhoods(i.e Black neighborhoods), and gentrify and improve them. So immigrants are better than Native born Blacks.

    Use transitive property
    Immigrants>native born Blacks
    Media tells us that all racial groups are equal so,
    All Immigrants>all native born Americans
    Ergo
    All Immigrants> native born White Americans
    Since you can say #3 but not #1 or even #2, the national debate becomes
    All Immigrants>native born White Americans.
    You deserve immigration cause they are better than you.

    Say it enough times, and it becomes true.

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can’t be expressed

    Since Blacks make up a large amount of popular culture, their failures are felt even in states like Minnesota even where they are not a large part of the population

    As such, the instinctive drive among our elites for immigration get expressed in this manner, even in situations where there is no need for them, and even in situations where they may make things worse.

    E.X: Liberal irritation with downtrodden working class “Whites” that do not have good economic mobilty(Learn to code), in reality Whites have good economic mobility even in areas like West Virginia, but Blacks do not. But can’t say blacks, so they say Whites.

    • Replies: @John Arthur
    @John Arthur

    When Governer Dayton talks about B+ Minnesota Whites, I wonder if he is deep down, thinking of those collapsing neighborhoods made by those D+ Minnesota Blacks that always make the news.

    Replies: @Barnard

    , @J.Ross
    @John Arthur

    This does make a lot of sense, because the news and entertainmemt media consistently disguise criminal blacks as average whites.

    , @istevefan
    @John Arthur


    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can’t be expressed
     
    Steve has brought out a similar point in regards to gun control. He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @HonestBl2
    @John Arthur

    I had never thought about it that way, but your explanation kind of make sense. Is the left-leaning oligarchs love for immigration due to the fact that they have been disappointed by African-Americans? For example, if they love African-Americans so much, why did they immediately expand affirmative action to black Africans and all the other foreigners? Why don't they want to make any distinction when it comes to ADOS and immigrants when it comes to reparations? Why are they pretending that immigration does not hurt African-Americans wages the most?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Arthur

  139. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808.

    Those ancestors were involuntarily imported as beasts of burden. So, no.

    Likewise, native aboriginals were not ‘American’ in any meaningful sense of the word beyond geographic location: their stock did not colonize and establish the United States of America for themselves and their posterity.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  140. @nebulafox
    Look, here's the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you'd still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that's not what anybody sane should want. America's new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that'll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain't the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head "pure stock" loser who couldn't give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America's strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Henson, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ed

    How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli.

    You’re overthinking it. An “ethno-sectarian explosion” would occur naturally; it need not be consciously contrived. In retrospect, historians may note the conditions that caused it. Sailer and others are documenting those conditions in real time.

    many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized

    They’re not, actually. They conform to each other and traitor whites and Jews.

    See the data in my debates with Corvinus and Twinkie regarding the First and Second Amendments and immigration, demographics, and voting:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/manifest-density/#comment-3434907 (#139, etc.)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chinese-vs-indians-columbus-will-have-been-right-about-who-lives-here/#comment-3466695 (#72, etc.)

    You’re not going to outfox a supernova.

  141. @Enemy of Earth
    I think most people have heard of "Minnesota Nice." Methinks Amy is Minnesota Dumb.

    Replies: @Sol

    She is (((Minnesotan))).

  142. @John Arthur
    Hey Steve,

    I wonder how much of this is anti-White hate stupidity due to a misapplication of transitive property.

    For instance, Hispanics and Asians make up a vast majority of immigrants, and they make up a vast amount of the immigrant onflow.

    They tend to have low crime rates, so people make the assumption that any immigration==low crime rates, as immigrants move into poor American neighborhoods(i.e Black neighborhoods), and gentrify and improve them. So immigrants are better than Native born Blacks.

    Use transitive property
    Immigrants>native born Blacks
    Media tells us that all racial groups are equal so,
    All Immigrants>all native born Americans
    Ergo
    All Immigrants> native born White Americans
    Since you can say #3 but not #1 or even #2, the national debate becomes
    All Immigrants>native born White Americans.
    You deserve immigration cause they are better than you.

    Say it enough times, and it becomes true.

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can't be expressed

    Since Blacks make up a large amount of popular culture, their failures are felt even in states like Minnesota even where they are not a large part of the population

    As such, the instinctive drive among our elites for immigration get expressed in this manner, even in situations where there is no need for them, and even in situations where they may make things worse.

    E.X: Liberal irritation with downtrodden working class "Whites" that do not have good economic mobilty(Learn to code), in reality Whites have good economic mobility even in areas like West Virginia, but Blacks do not. But can't say blacks, so they say Whites.

    Replies: @John Arthur, @J.Ross, @istevefan, @HonestBl2

    When Governer Dayton talks about B+ Minnesota Whites, I wonder if he is deep down, thinking of those collapsing neighborhoods made by those D+ Minnesota Blacks that always make the news.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @John Arthur

    I am going to go with no chance. An elitist like Dayton truly despises the middle and lower class whites who made up the workforce prior to our diversification. There weren't many neighborhoods in the state with American blacks prior immigration and refugee resettlement. He was specifically thinking of rural and suburban whites.

  143. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1207855467029913602

    Replies: @bomag, @Sol

    “get used to it as I I I I I I I I I I I I I I have. Hey you NuAmericans vote for me!”

  144. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    It’s also both sad and astonishing that to get astronauts to the space station, NASA plans to use a booster essentially based on the Atlas rocket which was designed in 1955. And, that the astronauts are currently riding to the space station on Russian boosters based on the 1955 R-7.

    Maybe Trump and Putin can arrange to travel to their next summit location by steamships or DC-3’s then pull up to the venue riding in Packard limousines.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Sol

    Ad Astra is never going to happen …

  145. @Reg Cæsar
    Klobalism.

    Replies: @CrunchyButRealistCon

    Amerikwa has not yet learned how to be Klobalist.
    It is in the throes of a transformation, and without that transformation, the Economy won’t survive.

  146. @John Arthur
    Hey Steve,

    I wonder how much of this is anti-White hate stupidity due to a misapplication of transitive property.

    For instance, Hispanics and Asians make up a vast majority of immigrants, and they make up a vast amount of the immigrant onflow.

    They tend to have low crime rates, so people make the assumption that any immigration==low crime rates, as immigrants move into poor American neighborhoods(i.e Black neighborhoods), and gentrify and improve them. So immigrants are better than Native born Blacks.

    Use transitive property
    Immigrants>native born Blacks
    Media tells us that all racial groups are equal so,
    All Immigrants>all native born Americans
    Ergo
    All Immigrants> native born White Americans
    Since you can say #3 but not #1 or even #2, the national debate becomes
    All Immigrants>native born White Americans.
    You deserve immigration cause they are better than you.

    Say it enough times, and it becomes true.

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can't be expressed

    Since Blacks make up a large amount of popular culture, their failures are felt even in states like Minnesota even where they are not a large part of the population

    As such, the instinctive drive among our elites for immigration get expressed in this manner, even in situations where there is no need for them, and even in situations where they may make things worse.

    E.X: Liberal irritation with downtrodden working class "Whites" that do not have good economic mobilty(Learn to code), in reality Whites have good economic mobility even in areas like West Virginia, but Blacks do not. But can't say blacks, so they say Whites.

    Replies: @John Arthur, @J.Ross, @istevefan, @HonestBl2

    This does make a lot of sense, because the news and entertainmemt media consistently disguise criminal blacks as average whites.

  147. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children.

    I agree with this, but if the will existed, we could work with the rest:

    1) No more welfare of any kind for non-citizens (including no education of non-citizens), and limited safety net money with payback required for citizens (they do this in other countries)

    2) All the DACA kids get deported.

    3) Everyone not a citizen gets deported; American children of foreign nationals illegally in the country will never see them again in the US because they will never be given a visa. Many anchor babies will leave to be with their families. Laws will be passed to deny American benefits to anchor babies who did not spend time in the US.

    4) One year of national service required of every citizen 25 and younger. Standard US military uniform with standard haircuts with standard American food – no kosher or halal meals. Birthright citizenship ended.

    Unlikely? I guess. But it’s not like there is nothing to be done.

  148. @John Arthur
    @John Arthur

    When Governer Dayton talks about B+ Minnesota Whites, I wonder if he is deep down, thinking of those collapsing neighborhoods made by those D+ Minnesota Blacks that always make the news.

    Replies: @Barnard

    I am going to go with no chance. An elitist like Dayton truly despises the middle and lower class whites who made up the workforce prior to our diversification. There weren’t many neighborhoods in the state with American blacks prior immigration and refugee resettlement. He was specifically thinking of rural and suburban whites.

  149. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jonathan Mason


    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!
     
    There are about 1300 million Chinese in China. The equivalent would be c. 200,000 foreigners living in the US, not 45 million. And most of them would not be darkly colored nor belonging to camel-f*ckers religious cultures.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    AGREE!

    C’mon, guys, whaddya need a refresher course?! It’s all relative numbers nowadays. AND, tourists are not the same as illegal aliens and “refugees”. AND, the Chinese don’t take too kindly to visa overstayers either, while the US government doesn’t give a rip.

  150. When you add water to your tea or coffee, it dilutes it or better said, makes it weaker tasting. Then’s there’s Stock dilution, also known as equity dilution, it’s the decrease in existing shareholders’ ownership percentage of a company as a result of the company issuing new equity. New equity increases the total shares outstanding but has a dilutive effect on the ownership percentage of existing shareholders. If your a existing shareholder, the increase in the supply of new shares tends to depress the share price, it’s generally not a good thing. Apparently the so called smart people can’t draw an analogue to this concept on immigration.

  151. @bomag
    @danand


    ...part of our education system
     
    Indeed.

    They could expand domestic choices by hiring people without teaching degrees but who are otherwise as capable. But the teaching-industrial-complex must maintain their tyranny.

    Replies: @Medvedev

    Students homeschooled by parents without professional teachers with a degree and blah-blah-blah have higher scores than public school students:

    In 2014, SAT “test scores of college-bound homeschool students were higher than the national average of all college-bound seniors that same year,” according to NHERI.

    “Mean ACT Composite scores for homeschooled students were consistently higher than those for public school students” from 2001 through 2014, according (PDF) to that testing organization, although private school students scored higher still.
    https://reason.com/2019/01/22/homeschooling-produces-better-students/

    White parents homeschooling their kids pay high taxes to educate “poor and oppressed” minorities, for all kinds of diversity outreach and other cr*p showed down kids throat.

    How much does a student cost public school per year? 12-15k? Reimburse parents who homeschool their children with tax-free dollars. Christian family homeschooling 3 kids? Here you go, your 36-45 reimbursement for the job and services that government cannot efficiently provide )))
    Instead of both parents working high-stress job only to pay high taxes for the rest, mother would be able to stay with kids and give them all the care and love they deserve. With better educational results for the kids. What’s not to like. But then who will pay taxes to educate and spoon-feed Blacks?

    • Agree: bomag
  152. @anon
    @Jack D

    The burn failure is probably software, but could be any of several things. The vehicle is in a reasonably stable orbit so Boeing can learn a lot about its performance for a week or three. Returning to Earth via land instead of water is a change from the older space program. That should be interesting.

    Atlas V is not just a copy of the 1960's rocket, it has many internal changes. Really, though, the step / stage rocket burning LOX and fuel is just a bigger version of the V 2. Robert Goddard would recognize a lot of the hardware of the rockets made by US, Russia, China, France, North Korea, etc. It's mature technology but the basics are 80 years old or so.

    https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-oft-next-steps.html

    SpaceX will solve their escape tower / thruster problem, and then once it's man-certified there will be two US made launch vehicles to Low Earth Orbit.

    Replies: @Jack D

    We “learned a lot” when Challenger exploded, too. You know what’s even better than learning from your mistakes? Not making them in the first place.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    We “learned a lot” when Challenger exploded, too.

    One of these events is not like the other. An intelligent man can easily see this.

    You know what’s even better than learning from your mistakes? Not making them in the first place.

    I'm sure that any number of people at Boeing are quite aware of that. But if not, no doubt plenty of Internet trolls are ready to remind them, eh, Jack?

    Man-rated space vehicles are difficult things to get right the first time. Both Boeing and SpaceX are on the learning curve that's not cheap. But they are learning.

  153. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children … so we have to make the best of what we have
     
    Uh huh. You do realize that all sorts of things can happen?

    Given what happened to some of your recent ancestors, you seem oddly asleep to the possibilities of what in retrospect becomes history.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn’t. The story of E. Europe was not, “And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after.” Even the “winners” in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable – things are never really “normal” ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.

    • Agree: Kevin O'Keeffe
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Maybe there really is team writing for Jack D, I mean this is some pure spaghetti here.
    --------
    I might actually have to pay to see Cats in the theater if it really is this bad:
    https://postimg.cc/NKt05GSF
    This looks like something that would be used for the cover of a mid-nineties young adult novel.
    No matter how poorly Abrams Wars does, the absolute turkey of the year will be Cats. They shelved Wicked for this.

    , @istevefan
    @Jack D


    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.
     
    What you write is true. Once violence is unleashed no one can control it, and its outcome is unpredictable.

    But this advice that you are giving to us should have been, and should be given to the other side. For bringing in disparate peoples has generally led to eventual conflicts. It is akin to stacking kindling in a dry forest.

    And it is not like there are no historical precedents. Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.

    So the other side are the ones who have put us into this situation, not the people on our side who object. In fact whether we object or not, whether we speculate on sending them back or not is immaterial. What the other side has done has almost certainly condemned future generations to some sort of conflict and strife that did not need to happen.

    Yet over and over I see people on blogs like this advising people on our side to tone it down for the good of society so that we can avoid a conflict no one wants. When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.

    Tell that to the liberals who have been upping the ante for over a generation. Start with the ultra-progressive liberal Governor of Virginia who is publicly musing a huge LARP of Lexington and Concord. He's on record discussing the use of VA NatGuard against counties that will not comply with gun confiscation plus cutting all coms into target areas to make the action easy to complete.

    I do not know where that would lead, but it could get very ugly very fast. Yet I don't see any qualms on the liberal side at all, either indifference or "let's get started!" confidence.

    Go tell them, Jack, they won't listen to the likes of me.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Jack D

    It IS a walk in the park:Morningside Park.

  154. @Lurker
    @Jonathan Mason


    There are about 1 million foreigners living in China–and liking it!
     
    I don't think they acquire any permanent right to stay, no birthright citizenship.

    If that were mapped on to the US it would be about 236k foreigners.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You guys covered my would-be reply to the innumerate pretty well, but let me put it backwards. If the Chinese had our proportion of foreigners, (our 45,000,000 per Mr. Kaldian), then that would be about 200 MILLION foreigners in China. They barely put up with Marco Polo and that Priester John guy.

  155. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn't. The story of E. Europe was not, "And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after." Even the "winners" in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable - things are never really "normal" ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It's a royal fukin' mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It's no walk in the park.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @istevefan, @anon, @Father O'Hara

    Maybe there really is team writing for Jack D, I mean this is some pure spaghetti here.
    ——–
    I might actually have to pay to see Cats in the theater if it really is this bad:
    https://postimg.cc/NKt05GSF
    This looks like something that would be used for the cover of a mid-nineties young adult novel.
    No matter how poorly Abrams Wars does, the absolute turkey of the year will be Cats. They shelved Wicked for this.

    • LOL: Herbert West
  156. @orionyx
    @Jack D


    so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    - as the man with the flying school said when all the pigs started signing up.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Great one! I’ve stolen it already, just now. Thank you, Orion.

  157. @anon
    Amy Kolbucher is more like a Special Education teacher. Nice lady who takes hotdish to her sick neighbor, but clueless about most everything around her. Promoted way beyond her competence.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @El Dato

    U Chicago law graduate, and she lacks common sense. Not unusual among our parasitic elites, but still disappointing

  158. @Daniel H
    @Desiderius

    Traditionally the way we’ve done immigration is waves and pauses. It’s time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Wrong approach. You can't give the Cucks any wiggle room. We must be entirely uncompromising. New meme: Immigration, don't mend it, END IT. All of it. Forever. Don't yield. Don't compromise.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Elsewhere

    You and what army, hotshot?

  159. Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)

    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Worst map ever. The color scheme should indicate the score range, like saturated green for high scores going down to pastel green for lower, then switching to gradients of red for the lowest. As it is you have to read tiny numbers and remember them. It's an IQ test on itself to use the map.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Reg Cæsar

    Uh, based on my experience, Montana is a beautiful state filled with friendly folks of European descent.

    Only an idiot would want to leave.

    , @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe not book smart...

    Jeez that’s pretty bad losing to Alabama and South Carolina.

    , @res
    @Reg Cæsar

    If you want to look at average state SAT scores you also need to look at participation rates. This 2016 link gives a good overview of average scores and participation rates for both the SAT and ACT by state:
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-and-act-scores-by-stated-adjusted-for-participation-rate

    Montana is mainly an ACT state. In 2016 100% took the ACT, but only 18% took the SAT.

    These detailed reports are useful for looking at individual states more closely:
    https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results/state-results

    Replies: @res

    , @Grumpy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Judged by the quality of their politicians, Minnesotans are much stupider than their test scores indicate.

    On a related note:

    https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/16/insurance-study-ranks-minnesota-drivers-as-second-worst-in-country/

  160. istevefan says:
    @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn't. The story of E. Europe was not, "And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after." Even the "winners" in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable - things are never really "normal" ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It's a royal fukin' mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It's no walk in the park.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @istevefan, @anon, @Father O'Hara

    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.

    What you write is true. Once violence is unleashed no one can control it, and its outcome is unpredictable.

    But this advice that you are giving to us should have been, and should be given to the other side. For bringing in disparate peoples has generally led to eventual conflicts. It is akin to stacking kindling in a dry forest.

    And it is not like there are no historical precedents. Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.

    So the other side are the ones who have put us into this situation, not the people on our side who object. In fact whether we object or not, whether we speculate on sending them back or not is immaterial. What the other side has done has almost certainly condemned future generations to some sort of conflict and strife that did not need to happen.

    Yet over and over I see people on blogs like this advising people on our side to tone it down for the good of society so that we can avoid a conflict no one wants. When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?

    • Agree: Moses, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @istevefan


    Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.
     
    Societal divisions have seldom been purely tribalistic in the sense you're describing - except in America (black - and only black - slavery and Jim Crow) and Nazi Germany (extermination policies for Slavs, gypsies, Jews and other undesirables). They've usually been coalitions based on a mix of ideology, religion, interests and/or charismatic leaders rather than purely ethnicity or race. Could lightning strike thrice? The Civil War, which killed a million people, had blacks as bystanders. Trump got a bare majority of whites.

    If there is another Civil War, the right is going to be fighting a lot of whites, the same kinds of whites who were mostly responsible for the creation of the atomic bomb. Such a war might have a body count in the tens or hundreds of millions and involve the unrestricted use of nukes, given the truly existential nature of the conflict, since the real bottom line is the winning side lives and the losing side ends up populating landfills. It's one reason to draw back from the brink. The Prisoner's Dilemma is acute for nuclear weapons strategy. Because of their uniquely destructive power, the side that strikes first with everything in the arsenal wins.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @istevefan


    When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?
     
    They have, iSteveFan! Then, the comments get deleted, the commenters get banned, and whole very civilly-written websites like Amren get cancelled in various ways by search engines, youtube, and the third-party payment companies.

    Peter Brimelow must have written almost 20 years ago that "this will only end it tears". He was being nice, as 3 more decades back, Brit Enoch Powell predicted "rivers of blood". You can't say the other side has not been warned, thousands or millions of time. It's like warning a Communist what might happen if he gets a chance to run a country the way he wants. There's no point.

    The other side WANTS destruction, but just not the sort of destruction that we're all gonna get.

  161. istevefan says:
    @John Arthur
    Hey Steve,

    I wonder how much of this is anti-White hate stupidity due to a misapplication of transitive property.

    For instance, Hispanics and Asians make up a vast majority of immigrants, and they make up a vast amount of the immigrant onflow.

    They tend to have low crime rates, so people make the assumption that any immigration==low crime rates, as immigrants move into poor American neighborhoods(i.e Black neighborhoods), and gentrify and improve them. So immigrants are better than Native born Blacks.

    Use transitive property
    Immigrants>native born Blacks
    Media tells us that all racial groups are equal so,
    All Immigrants>all native born Americans
    Ergo
    All Immigrants> native born White Americans
    Since you can say #3 but not #1 or even #2, the national debate becomes
    All Immigrants>native born White Americans.
    You deserve immigration cause they are better than you.

    Say it enough times, and it becomes true.

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can't be expressed

    Since Blacks make up a large amount of popular culture, their failures are felt even in states like Minnesota even where they are not a large part of the population

    As such, the instinctive drive among our elites for immigration get expressed in this manner, even in situations where there is no need for them, and even in situations where they may make things worse.

    E.X: Liberal irritation with downtrodden working class "Whites" that do not have good economic mobilty(Learn to code), in reality Whites have good economic mobility even in areas like West Virginia, but Blacks do not. But can't say blacks, so they say Whites.

    Replies: @John Arthur, @J.Ross, @istevefan, @HonestBl2

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can’t be expressed

    Steve has brought out a similar point in regards to gun control. He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.

    • Agree: John Arthur, Desiderius
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @istevefan

    Which is hilarious anyway because how many of those ghetto guns are undocumeted, and how cruel is it to disarm the good working people who have to live among "youths"?

  162. @istevefan

    Look, here’s the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen
     
    It doesn't have to stop, but it should be severely curtailed which is possible.

    How exactly do you propose to get rid of them?
     
    Peacefully if possible. We have a lot of funds available that could be used to encourage repatriation. Most of these newcomers are here for economic reasons and have no real attachment to the US. Additionally they keep ties to their native countries with extensive family connections. So it is not surprising that some did leave during the economic downturn of 2008-9.

    Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of the newcomers are urban dwellers. Historically the people who are most stubborn to leave a new land are the ones who farm it. You could point out that most Whites nowadays don't farm, or don't even have a farmer in their parent's or grandparent's generation. True, but many Americans don't have to go back too far to find an ancestor on an American farm.

    You'll note many Whites who don't even live in rural areas still have an idealized affection for rural American life because of the historical narrative it has played in our collective history. Many Whites who live in built-up areas like to get away by driving to the country to visit Amish farms, or perhaps Civil War battlefields that seem to have little to no appeal to the non-European newcomers.

    We also have an attachment to the history of this nation unlike non-Europeans. Because even if you were not a founding stock American, you can still look upon the Founders and consider them yours. That is much harder for people who are more culturally and ethnically distinct.

    The bottom line is a far larger percentage of White Americans than non-Whites are tied to this nation historically and culturally and will remain here through good times and bad.


    An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli.
     
    A lot of things historically were considered a fait accompli, until they weren't. Pat Buchanan once wrote about a term he called the "Theory of Inevitability". According to Pat, the theory of inevitability is used by the left to get you to stop opposing them because, as you put it, it is a fait accompli.

    I'm sure Mexicans were told in 1849 that it was a fait accompli that the Americans were now in control of a certain portion of their territories. Americans meanwhile have been told for at least 30 years that it was a fait accompli that Mexicans were going to become the dominant demographic group in those same territories. So one fait accompli led to another in about 130 years.


    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs,
     
    Assimilation of such a large number of non-Europeans would mean the elimination of Europeans as a distinctive population, or at least a severe reduction in their numbers. Why would we want to do this? If America was and is a nation founded by Europeans, and whose greatness was generated with ideas and human capital from Europe, why would we want to eliminate Europeans as a distinctive group in this land? Even if they are going to lose their majority status, isn't it worthwhile for them to preserve themselves?

    The name of the game has to be preservation at all costs. Europeans in Europe as well as Europeans in the New World should want to preserve their presence in this world in which they are already declining percentage-wise worldwide. Ironically Whites who purport to support diversity ARE the diversity, and thus they should be concerned with preserving themselves, if not for their sake, then for the world's.

    Replies: @GSR, @Lot

    Well said. Many a fait accompli is gaslighting.

  163. anon[167] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn't. The story of E. Europe was not, "And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after." Even the "winners" in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable - things are never really "normal" ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It's a royal fukin' mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It's no walk in the park.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @istevefan, @anon, @Father O'Hara

    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.

    Tell that to the liberals who have been upping the ante for over a generation. Start with the ultra-progressive liberal Governor of Virginia who is publicly musing a huge LARP of Lexington and Concord. He’s on record discussing the use of VA NatGuard against counties that will not comply with gun confiscation plus cutting all coms into target areas to make the action easy to complete.

    I do not know where that would lead, but it could get very ugly very fast. Yet I don’t see any qualms on the liberal side at all, either indifference or “let’s get started!” confidence.

    Go tell them, Jack, they won’t listen to the likes of me.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anon

    "He’s on record discussing the use of VA NatGuard against counties that will not comply with gun confiscation plus cutting all coms into target areas to make the action easy to complete.

    So that's the reason for the FCC blocking those cheap Chinese two-way radios!


    The FCC issued an enforcement advisory today against the import, sale and use of unauthorized VHF/UHF two way radios effective immediately. The advisory reiterated that non-compliant radios can not be imported, sold, advertised or operated by anyone in the United States.

    The advisory was issued September 24, 2018 and implies that a crackdown on cheap, imported radios is imminent. The FCC warned that violators will be subject to penalties, including monetary fines up to $19,639 per day during the violation and up to $147,290 for an ongoing violation.

    The "crack-down" began in early August when the FCC went after an Amazon seller of a variant of the immensely popular Baofeng UV-5R, or more specifically, the UV-5R V2+. The FCC issued a cease and desist order to this seller, making it clear that they considered the UV-5R V2+ to be non-compliant. We discussed this at length in episode 126 of The Two Way Radio Show podcast.

    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2018/09/fcc-issues-advisory-against-the-import-sale-and-use-of-unauthorized-uhf-vhf-two-way-radios.html
     
    Is Democrat Party vs People's Militia coming?
  164. He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud.

    From my experience, liberals recognize that all the homicides near them happen in the black areas, but they still genuinely think that conservative whites with guns are the most dangerous people ever. It’s very strange. The fact that this sounds contradictory doesn’t occur to them.

    • Agree: jim jones
  165. @istevefan
    @John Arthur


    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can’t be expressed
     
    Steve has brought out a similar point in regards to gun control. He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Which is hilarious anyway because how many of those ghetto guns are undocumeted, and how cruel is it to disarm the good working people who have to live among “youths”?

  166. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Remember, below an IQ of 85 you are unemployable in the 21st century. Even the military won’t have you. A fifth of Americans are below this level now, and most of them are minorities.

  167. I am a white american. I love my country. All you losers who fear for the white race are such cowards. People are people. Who the hell cares what color you are, who you love or what you believe. As long as you lead a good life and are kind to others, what else matters.
    I would rather my children marry a person of color than any of the white trash people that read the garbage on this site
    And I voted for Trump. He is a racist and the biggest cry baby ever elected to any office.
    Wake up white people, your reign is coming to an end

    • Troll: Sol
  168. He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.

    This is obviously true, but it pisses off the rural hunters who live too far from the sheriff’s office to deter home invaders, and who want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    Wow just wow, this is a pretty crazy comment. Gotta make it back to the lodge to fetch my Remington before these rural blacks get my air jordans.

    , @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason


    want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks
     
    This isn't a thing.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    You don't have to be a hunter to want to deter home invasions. A long gun is not always the best, though a shotgun will suffice. You don't have to be rural either, as when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. My friend, living in the city, heard a noise and saw this black hand reaching for the bottom of the window from the outside. He shot a couple of .40 caliber rounds into the sill. Haha, I LOLed just thinking about it, and this was years ago. It's nice to rent, sometimes.

    (I have my own stories, but not agonna tell here ...)

    Oh, you don't have to be white either. There are lower-class blacks that aren't bad people and have no choice but to live in the bad areas (the whites don't want them, for good damn reasons, as they'll just bring their thug cousins into the nice neighborhoods anyway). The lefty "goodwhites" want to disarm these people along with everyone else. That can really raise one's stress level, living in an area like that unarmed.

    As for you, I don't know how you come up with some of your lefty crap after living in northern Florida for so long. Are you not going to assimilate, Jonathan?

  169. Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder – Arnold Toynbee

  170. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)


    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    https://prepexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/221473_ScoresStateInfo_050218.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius, @res, @Grumpy

    Worst map ever. The color scheme should indicate the score range, like saturated green for high scores going down to pastel green for lower, then switching to gradients of red for the lowest. As it is you have to read tiny numbers and remember them. It’s an IQ test on itself to use the map.

  171. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:

    The GOP really can be the white party by default if they want it. There was no answer Klouchbar could give in response to that particular question that would defend whites for wanting to slow down the pace of their being outnumbered, or heaven forfend suggest more white immigration tgat might allay white anxiety on the issue, without being soundly booed.

    The democrats are the party that wants to see fewer and fewer whites. A Lee Atwater woulda pinned that tail right on that donkey replete with noisy tin cans.

  172. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @anon

    We "learned a lot" when Challenger exploded, too. You know what's even better than learning from your mistakes? Not making them in the first place.

    Replies: @anon

    We “learned a lot” when Challenger exploded, too.

    One of these events is not like the other. An intelligent man can easily see this.

    You know what’s even better than learning from your mistakes? Not making them in the first place.

    I’m sure that any number of people at Boeing are quite aware of that. But if not, no doubt plenty of Internet trolls are ready to remind them, eh, Jack?

    Man-rated space vehicles are difficult things to get right the first time. Both Boeing and SpaceX are on the learning curve that’s not cheap. But they are learning.

  173. “Ask not what your economy can do for you, ask what you can do for your economy.”

    – John Kennedy

    • LOL: bomag
  174. @nebulafox
    Look, here's the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen-you'd still have a massive amount of immigrants and immigrant children here. The second generation ones are virtually all citizens thanks to jus soli. How exactly do you propose to get rid of them? An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that's not what anybody sane should want. America's new demographics are a fait accompli. Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive. This is *politics*. This is about the art of the possible, not the art of the fantasy. You want to build a coalition that'll really drain the swamp? Ethnic exclusivity ain't the way to go. Cultural assimilation is.

    (As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head "pure stock" loser who couldn't give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)

    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs, unless your goal is a millet system that would necessitate a more authoritarian form of government: something our elites probably want. American citizens must identify with each other and national cohesion rebuilt after decades of our structures being pummeled and buffered, at all costs, if we are to turn around our fortunes in the 21st Century. It can be done. It is a strong testament to America's strength here that despite the open anti-assimilative tendencies of our elites, many immigrants nonetheless are Americanized. It needs to be done, for all of our sakes, regardless of race. The real problem is our bipartisan elites and their gentry class enablers.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack Henson, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ed

    There’s no turning back. Best now is to stem the tide and move the Overton window. That’s what Trump has attempted to do. Unfortunately the reaction from white libs is to be even more radical on immigration which means their defeat in ‘20 is again crucial.

  175. @bigdicknick
    @R.G. Camara

    I think Pete likely has some big homosexual boosters, but a lot of it is meritocratic. Pete is smarter than most of the other candidates. It doesn't surprise me that someone who worked at McKinsey can make up ground on Joe Biden who went to some no name law school or failed carpenter Bernie Sanders. If Pete wasn't in politics he'd be pretty successful. I don't think Sanders, Biden or Warren would do great in private sector roles without connections gained through politics and academia.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Anonymous

    Dude…small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of “Deep State front man” isn’t obvious? This is Macron or Obama again. Being pushed by the Deep State as a great little puppet to manage if the public goes for the “unknown man” thing they did for Obama in 2008—but this time for gays, not blacks.

    What obviously boosts this nothing of a man up is not other gays but the fact that he will be a good little Deep State Davos globalist and let the spooks and the corporate masters go back to running the country.

    Can’t you see that?

    P.S. I’ll add that Macron was intent on joining the Deep State at 12—that’s when he made surprise conversion to Catholicism, knowing it would sell later and fool religious French types–and only 2-3 years later he set eyes on his older weak teacher to be his beard. Obama was a bit later—19—before he went from a choomhead at Occidental to transferring to Columbia and beginning his surprising rise without doing anything of import. These guys start young.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @R.G. Camara

    how do you see the deep state influencing voters towards mayor Pete? Via influence on the media? Andrew Yang has a less mainstream platform and has made it pretty far despite not being:

    1. particularly rich(I think he is worth very low 7 figures) or
    2. skilled at politics(he makes all kinds of gaffes although I like some of his ideas)

    I think it just shows how weak the field is more than anything. Like, Julian Castro is on national debate stages and he is clearly a moron.

    Why would the deep state want Pete over Biden anyway? Biden is where he is because he is unscrupulous.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @anon
    @R.G. Camara

    Dude…small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of “Deep State front man” isn’t obvious?


    Totally obvious, as obvious as a turtle on a fencepost.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dbOQtCQPBKQ/WLzAW5K2BvI/AAAAAAAAFko/JqQLzjq7V5Qnl6kA8vdFS3SIovxrRio2wCLcB/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/post%2Bturtle.jpg

  176. @Jonathan Mason

    He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.
     
    This is obviously true, but it pisses off the rural hunters who live too far from the sheriff's office to deter home invaders, and who want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow just wow, this is a pretty crazy comment. Gotta make it back to the lodge to fetch my Remington before these rural blacks get my air jordans.

  177. @anonymous
    @istevefan


    The noun verbiage, meaning an excess of words, has negative connotations. When one refers to the verbiage of a piece of text, this implies that the text is wordy, impenetrable, or pretentious. The word is not traditionally synonymous with neutral words such as text, words, wording, or content, though it is sometimes used this way.
     

    Replies: @donut

    I don’t think he’s a troll . I also thought it was an odd choice . It doesn’t change the meaning . Another meaning of verbiage is : manner of expressing oneself in words .

  178. @Bardon Kaldian
    @nebulafox


    Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want.
     
    True, but world is not ruled by sanity. If I was a Russian in 1916, I would probably want that we win a war or some compromise; I could never have imagined that some weird sect would come to power & impose a cartoonish theocracy, with more than 8 million people killed in the Civil war.

    People are not moved by rational interests.

    Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive.
     

    I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.

    (As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head “pure stock” loser who couldn’t give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)
     

    Just, it won't happen. Foreigners remain foreigners- forever. Pat Buchanan may be blind re many matters, but here he was succinct - and right:


    Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us.

    Replies: @Ed, @Colin Wright

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed. The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905? Lenin was agitating for Bolshevism since he was a teenager. The school he went to produced several radicals including the “moderate” Kerensky.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ed

    If the Germans don't inject the bacillus 90% chance you just get the Mensheviks and some flavor of hard-edged, relatively corrupt social democracy. Instead Lenin Wick offs the whole country to avenge his brother.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @anon
    @Ed

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed.

    Well, yeah, since various factions had been calling for revolution for over 50 years.

    The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905?

    No. The 1905 revolt failed in large part because the Russian Army remained loyal to the Tzar. The Russian Army in 1916 was a different thing, thanks to a couple of years of pointless death in a thing called "World War One".

    Have you ever heard of http://www.google.com ? It could help you learn something.

    Replies: @Ed

  179. @Slim Dunkins
    We fought a civil war to combat white supremacy

    We will do so again

    Watch Watchmen on HBO

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910, @the one they call Desanex, @Ano, @R.G. Camara, @Alfa158, @fish, @donut

    You’re an idiot .

  180. @istevefan
    @Jack D


    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.
     
    What you write is true. Once violence is unleashed no one can control it, and its outcome is unpredictable.

    But this advice that you are giving to us should have been, and should be given to the other side. For bringing in disparate peoples has generally led to eventual conflicts. It is akin to stacking kindling in a dry forest.

    And it is not like there are no historical precedents. Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.

    So the other side are the ones who have put us into this situation, not the people on our side who object. In fact whether we object or not, whether we speculate on sending them back or not is immaterial. What the other side has done has almost certainly condemned future generations to some sort of conflict and strife that did not need to happen.

    Yet over and over I see people on blogs like this advising people on our side to tone it down for the good of society so that we can avoid a conflict no one wants. When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Achmed E. Newman

    Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.

    Societal divisions have seldom been purely tribalistic in the sense you’re describing – except in America (black – and only black – slavery and Jim Crow) and Nazi Germany (extermination policies for Slavs, gypsies, Jews and other undesirables). They’ve usually been coalitions based on a mix of ideology, religion, interests and/or charismatic leaders rather than purely ethnicity or race. Could lightning strike thrice? The Civil War, which killed a million people, had blacks as bystanders. Trump got a bare majority of whites.

    If there is another Civil War, the right is going to be fighting a lot of whites, the same kinds of whites who were mostly responsible for the creation of the atomic bomb. Such a war might have a body count in the tens or hundreds of millions and involve the unrestricted use of nukes, given the truly existential nature of the conflict, since the real bottom line is the winning side lives and the losing side ends up populating landfills. It’s one reason to draw back from the brink. The Prisoner’s Dilemma is acute for nuclear weapons strategy. Because of their uniquely destructive power, the side that strikes first with everything in the arsenal wins.

    • Disagree: Sol
  181. @silviosilver
    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then - those fools aren't about to open their country to all comers, so there's no way they'll be able to compete.

    Replies: @Kronos, @bigdicknick, @anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    I guess that means America has nothing to fear from China then – those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers, so there’s no way they’ll be able to compete.

    This is an important point.

    The minoritarians are not going to “win”, if win means dominate the world.

    If “win” means wrecking white gentile nations … then yes, they do seem on track to accomplish that.

    But then those new “diverse!”–rather than “Western”–nations become mediocre and uncompetitive–Brazilish–and will lose technological competitiveness to any high-IQ nation that refuses to commit suicide.

    (The only real kicker here is whether some sort of genetic manipulation will come and allow people to get smarter, more conscientious, etc. before existing HBD mosaic and immigrationism drags the West down and allows East Asian dominance.)

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  182. @Reg Cæsar
    Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)


    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    https://prepexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/221473_ScoresStateInfo_050218.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius, @res, @Grumpy

    Uh, based on my experience, Montana is a beautiful state filled with friendly folks of European descent.

    Only an idiot would want to leave.

  183. @danand

    "And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy, strike that, I meant to say part of our education system."
     
    Doing the jobs we refuse to do:

    https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg

    Replies: @bomag, @Anon, @JeremiahJohnbalaya, @Joe Schmoe

    That was a nice piece. Seems like all parties benefitted.

    Build the Wall.

  184. @Jack D
    @bomag


    In our high tech, mechanized future, few of any cohort are significantly productive and able to participate in the economy in a meaningful way.
     
    If what you are saying is true (and I'm not sure it is - there are a lot of jobs that robots are never going to do. The day when you can call a plumber to diagnose and fix a plumbing issue and a robot shows up by herself to do it is never or at least not for a very long time) then it applies equally (or almost equally assuming that the lowest IQ jobs will be the first to go) to non-immigrants (in particular the 15% or so of the population that is black and the additional 15% of the population that consists of low-IQ whites. Again I agree that we shouldn't dig the hole deeper by letting in a bunch more low-IQ "refugees from Honduras" but we are going to have to confront this issue (if it is real) for everyone and not just for non-white immigrants in particular. Immigrants contain some low IQ groups (though not as low as American blacks) and some very high IQ ones (mostly Asians).

    Replies: @bomag

    We can certainly arrange things so people are occupied and fed. It is more palatable if they have built up some historic attachment to the country.

    The odious dynamic in the Klobuchar riff is that we were promised that immigrants were awesome and natural citizens and all good, etc. etc. Now that things don’t look to be turning out so rosy, we are supposed to roll up our sleeves and make a wonderful effort to train, integrate, and get everyone up to speed. Maybe we should get a refund instead.

  185. @Bardon Kaldian
    @nebulafox


    Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want.
     
    True, but world is not ruled by sanity. If I was a Russian in 1916, I would probably want that we win a war or some compromise; I could never have imagined that some weird sect would come to power & impose a cartoonish theocracy, with more than 8 million people killed in the Civil war.

    People are not moved by rational interests.

    Fantasizing about reversing the clock is pointless and counterproductive.
     

    I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.

    (As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have an immigrant who is completely dedicated to the United States and who brings something to the table on my side than some meth-head “pure stock” loser who couldn’t give a crap about anything other than his next fix and sell his country for that.)
     

    Just, it won't happen. Foreigners remain foreigners- forever. Pat Buchanan may be blind re many matters, but here he was succinct - and right:


    Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us.

    Replies: @Ed, @Colin Wright

    ‘I see re-creating a modern Jewish nation-state as something that ultimately defeats all prognostications.’

    ? Why ‘re’?

  186. @Jonathan Mason

    He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.
     
    This is obviously true, but it pisses off the rural hunters who live too far from the sheriff's office to deter home invaders, and who want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @Achmed E. Newman

    want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks

    This isn’t a thing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Desiderius

    He's almost certainly referring to the rural South.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  187. @Ed
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed. The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905? Lenin was agitating for Bolshevism since he was a teenager. The school he went to produced several radicals including the “moderate” Kerensky.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    If the Germans don’t inject the bacillus 90% chance you just get the Mensheviks and some flavor of hard-edged, relatively corrupt social democracy. Instead Lenin Wick offs the whole country to avenge his brother.

    • Agree: Ed
    • Replies: @Ed
    @Desiderius

    I think it would have went down as other revolutions went down, regardless. A moderate force eliminates the ruling regime only to give way to more radical elements to take over. The mere existence of Bolsheviks meant agitation from the radical elements would continue.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  188. Way to take it to that dog in the manger, Steve. You can’t reason a man out of a position he wasn’t reasoned into. You can bully/humiliate him, which is how he originally came to that feckless take.

    Ironic that he tries to shame you by the company you keep when you enjoy one of the most readable and intelligent comment sections around.

  189. Off topic: some unintended ironies here. Cal Berkeley’s newsletter boasts of an alumnus’ achievements:

    ‘ ‘Watchmen’ star Yahya Abdul-Mateen II recalls his time as an SF city planner.’

    I wonder what triumph is next?

  190. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Territorial division of America along racial/political lines is inevitable given current trends.

    Don’t see it? Just wait until President AOC and her kind cement their control over the executive and legislative branches of power. Whites (some, at least) will wake up pretty fast.

  191. @bigdicknick
    @R.G. Camara

    I think Pete likely has some big homosexual boosters, but a lot of it is meritocratic. Pete is smarter than most of the other candidates. It doesn't surprise me that someone who worked at McKinsey can make up ground on Joe Biden who went to some no name law school or failed carpenter Bernie Sanders. If Pete wasn't in politics he'd be pretty successful. I don't think Sanders, Biden or Warren would do great in private sector roles without connections gained through politics and academia.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Anonymous

    Warren was a Harvard Law prof. But that isn’t exactly “private sector”

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    She made big money writing corporate bankruptcy text books and could easily have made big bucks at a law firm if she wanted to. Mainly as a token but that’s not unusual. Her books about personal bankruptcy weren’t that bad either. I think Steve kinda liked them at one point.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  192. @Altai
    @Desiderius

    Once America lost any sense of having a founding ethnicity and 'white Americans' became a 'hodge-podge' of people, only materialism was left, defining an American as an ethnicity was lost. Now an American is a consumer with a blue passport.

    Replies: @Moses

    Oddly, Asians in Asia consider only White Americans to be “real Americans.”

    It makes sense too, given how they think. To them, “Chinese” means Han. “Japanese” means Japanese. “Vietnamese” means Kinh. “Korean” means Korean.

    Nationality to Asians is ethnic/racial.

    It’s natural they extend this thinking to America.

    I have had Asians tell me “Asian-Americans aren’t really American.”

    It took me some time, but eventually I realized that their view of nationality is the more natural one.

    I once said “If I could get a Chinese passport that would make me Chinese, right?” Chinese laughed in my face. It was the funniest and most absurd thing she ever heard.

    Asian parents insist their children are taught English by Whites. Even non-native-English Euros are preferable to Asian-Americans.

    Again, makes sense. Who wants to learn Chinese from a White person?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Moses

    Good comment, Moses. I don't think that's always the case, but the insistence that this passport means anything as far as culture and loyalty is pretty deluded. As for:


    Who wants to learn Chinese from a White person?
     
    I ask you , who wants to take advice from a White person, even if her name is Chang... stein?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsKpShq2X6s

    "I'm not taking advice from some girl from Long Island!"
  193. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    I’m sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    And it behooves the people to stop subsidizing their reproduction.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @ben tillman

    This is so right. Anything you subsidize you encourage. Why are we subsidizing the reproduction of the people most poorly adapted to our civilization? Subsidies include: public school, school lunches, housing subsidies (public housing, energy subsidies, and section 8), healthcare subsidies (medicaid), food subsidies (SNAP), and direct cash payments (TANF). White or non-White, dysfunctional people should not be encouraged to reproduce themselves.

  194. @Daniel H
    Alcindor! Wow, that name resonates across the ages. Remember Lou Alcindor (pronounced al-CIN-dor)?

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    He went by Lew. Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr.

  195. We Are Not Going to be Able to Succeed in the World if We Do Not Invite Everyone to be Part of Our Economy

    Great! Now they will no longer cut out my friend Erich, who is a welder, and who has been cut out of jobs by the illegales who compete for his jobs. That’s what you meant Amy, right?

  196. @Bill P
    Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh's voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it's deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    https://youtu.be/46-WNPlCYsg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @HammerJack, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @petit bourgeois, @Yngvar

    I like the Margot Robbie version better.

  197. @Reg Cæsar
    Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)


    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    https://prepexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/221473_ScoresStateInfo_050218.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius, @res, @Grumpy

    Maybe not book smart…

    Jeez that’s pretty bad losing to Alabama and South Carolina.

  198. The much bigger dilemma: will the USA EVEN EXIST IN a generation??

  199. @Desiderius
    @Ed

    Heh.

    Apologies.

    We may see the same from Blacks in the not so long term.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    HBCUs = Orthodox Blacks

  200. @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    I’m sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.
     
    And it behooves the people to stop subsidizing their reproduction.

    Replies: @Cato

    This is so right. Anything you subsidize you encourage. Why are we subsidizing the reproduction of the people most poorly adapted to our civilization? Subsidies include: public school, school lunches, housing subsidies (public housing, energy subsidies, and section 8), healthcare subsidies (medicaid), food subsidies (SNAP), and direct cash payments (TANF). White or non-White, dysfunctional people should not be encouraged to reproduce themselves.

  201. Wondering what Amy is wiling to give up for “us” to succeed.
    The interviewer is a quota baby. The job was given to her as part of our social experiment.
    My patent line for the diversity ploy: If diversity was strength, Brazil would rule the world.

  202. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I understand that all sorts of stuff can happen, but I pray that it doesn't. The story of E. Europe was not, "And then they killed the Jews and they all lived happily ever after." Even the "winners" in such situations are losers. The losses are unrecoverable - things are never really "normal" ever again. The loss lingers like an amputated limb. Things spin out of control. Blood is shed on both sides. There are two outcomes possible in a war and one of them is losing, no matter how overconfident you are. It's a royal fukin' mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It's no walk in the park.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @istevefan, @anon, @Father O'Hara

    It IS a walk in the park:Morningside Park.

  203. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have.
     
    Agreed.

    Steve S. does a great job on pointing out areas where non-whites perform poorly in education, crime, and citizenship, but is rather thin on solutions as to the best way to convert the barbarians already inside the gates into useful citizens.

    There is a kind of contradiction, too, in the fundamental American idea that everyone who works hard can get rich in America. When everyone is rich, who is going to do the menial work? And when everyone lives to be 100, who is going to take care of the elderly and who will contribute to pension funds and Social Security?

    Yes, we have had inventions like the automatic clothes washing machine, vacuum cleaner, birth control pill, and the demise of coal fired heating that has made the lives of women much easier in the generations since World War II, so that they can now work in air-conditioned offices and hospitals, but we still need new entrants to do menial work so that rich women don't have to.

    And how will we keep our roadsides free of the litter and detritus of our affluence, if we don't have convicts to clean it up?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Lot

    “but is rather thin on solutions”

    So you’re saying don’t focus on stopping the immivasion until we have a “solution” that makes Somalis like Swedish-Americans.

    Yeah no thanks.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    @Lot

    "Immivasion" isn't a word, yet.

    To understand the current philosophy of the chicano/paisano/wab culture, you shoulda/gotta use the word "irredentism," and "irredentist," which is what it/he/she/they is. Like Mussolini trying to capture the former Roman Empire by invading Ethiopia in 1936. You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, it is more fascist than Mussolini ever was:


    Organizational Goals
    This list of Organizational goals is pulled directly from the El Plan de Aztlan document[2] itself.

    "1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

    2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

    3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

    4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

    5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

    6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

    7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!"
     
    Not one of the mexicans I know in my town knows what the word means, so I remind them of the Treaty of Guadalupe of Hidalgo in 1848, where those Mexicans and Spaniards met their defeat. They are just trying to get back what they lost: the entire southwest USA.

    BTW I love your commentary.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

  204. @Anonymous
    @bigdicknick

    Warren was a Harvard Law prof. But that isn’t exactly “private sector”

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    She made big money writing corporate bankruptcy text books and could easily have made big bucks at a law firm if she wanted to. Mainly as a token but that’s not unusual. Her books about personal bankruptcy weren’t that bad either. I think Steve kinda liked them at one point.

    • Disagree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Hhsiii

    Tucker Carlson had some good things to say about Warren in her previous incarnation. Of course he has soured on her in the interim!

  205. And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy.

    Everyone?

  206. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed. The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905? Lenin was agitating for Bolshevism since he was a teenager. The school he went to produced several radicals including the “moderate” Kerensky.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed.

    Well, yeah, since various factions had been calling for revolution for over 50 years.

    The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905?

    No. The 1905 revolt failed in large part because the Russian Army remained loyal to the Tzar. The Russian Army in 1916 was a different thing, thanks to a couple of years of pointless death in a thing called “World War One”.

    Have you ever heard of http://www.google.com ? It could help you learn something.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @anon

    I try to work from memory it’s good brain exercise. You probably should use Google more yourself instead of being needlessly snarky with an anon handle.

    Sure the Duma wasn’t effective and failed to curb Nicholas’s autocracy but it was still a concession nonetheless.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma_(Russian_Empire)?wprov=sfti1


    Coming under pressure from the Russian Revolution of 1905, on August 6, 1905 (O.S.), Sergei Witte (appointed by Nicholas II to manage peace negotiations with Japan after the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905) issued a manifesto about the convocation of the Duma, initially thought to be a purely advisory body, the so-called Bulygin-Duma. In the subsequent October Manifesto, the Tsar promised to introduce further civil liberties, provide for broad participation in a new "State Duma", and endow the Duma with legislative and oversight powers. The State Duma was to be the lower house of a parliament, and the State Council of Imperial Russia the upper house.

    Replies: @anon

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)


    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    https://prepexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/221473_ScoresStateInfo_050218.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius, @res, @Grumpy

    If you want to look at average state SAT scores you also need to look at participation rates. This 2016 link gives a good overview of average scores and participation rates for both the SAT and ACT by state:
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-and-act-scores-by-stated-adjusted-for-participation-rate

    Montana is mainly an ACT state. In 2016 100% took the ACT, but only 18% took the SAT.

    These detailed reports are useful for looking at individual states more closely:
    https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results/state-results

    • Disagree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @res
    @res

    What exactly do you disagree with, Houston 1992? I am genuinely curious, and a disagree flag really doesn't help much there.

  208. @Lot
    @Jonathan Mason

    “but is rather thin on solutions”

    So you’re saying don’t focus on stopping the immivasion until we have a “solution” that makes Somalis like Swedish-Americans.

    Yeah no thanks.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

    “Immivasion” isn’t a word, yet.

    To understand the current philosophy of the chicano/paisano/wab culture, you shoulda/gotta use the word “irredentism,” and “irredentist,” which is what it/he/she/they is. Like Mussolini trying to capture the former Roman Empire by invading Ethiopia in 1936. You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, it is more fascist than Mussolini ever was:

    Organizational Goals
    This list of Organizational goals is pulled directly from the El Plan de Aztlan document[2] itself.

    “1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

    2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people’s welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

    3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

    4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar’s crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

    5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

    6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

    7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!”

    Not one of the mexicans I know in my town knows what the word means, so I remind them of the Treaty of Guadalupe of Hidalgo in 1848, where those Mexicans and Spaniards met their defeat. They are just trying to get back what they lost: the entire southwest USA.

    BTW I love your commentary.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @petit bourgeois


    You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan
     
    How many Latinos have read it and ascribe to it today?

    El Plan was written in 1969. You should read some of the crap that white college students were writing in 1969, or black power advocates or the Manson Family, etc. It was the end times, man. The whole corrupt system was going to come crashing down and be replaced by a new order where (Hispanics, Communists, Blacks, etc.) would rule. If anyone took this stuff seriously in 1969 (and no more than a handful ever really walked the walk - talk is cheap) they sure don't in 2019. Now it's WN's who have revolutionary/civil war/partition fantasies.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Lot
    @petit bourgeois

    Thanks.

    I don’t think Mexican irredentism is real outside a tiny number of third tier Cal State academics. I’ve also made my peace with the prior wave of Mexican migration.

    We’ve got a new giant non-white underclass, but as far as these go, Mexicans (as well as Filipinos, Vietnamese and Laotians) are about the least objectionable.

    Central Americans are a worse source of human capital with less prospect for integration because Mexicans average about half Euro ancestry and the other half literate agricultural-civilization ancestry. CentAms are more like 20% Euro and the rest stone age jungle dwellers.

    North Africans, aside from being Muslim, seem to lack the work ethic of Mexicans. You can see this in employment rates: Mexican immigrants and their children work at a similar rate to white Americans, though are less skilled. North Africans in Europe however have spectacular rates of being NEET welfare leeches over multiple generations.

  209. @Hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    She made big money writing corporate bankruptcy text books and could easily have made big bucks at a law firm if she wanted to. Mainly as a token but that’s not unusual. Her books about personal bankruptcy weren’t that bad either. I think Steve kinda liked them at one point.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Tucker Carlson had some good things to say about Warren in her previous incarnation. Of course he has soured on her in the interim!

  210. Klobuchar has a temper problem. She has been known to throw binders, phones, etc. at staff. This, without more, is disqualifying. She “loses it.” You can’t be President Temper-Tyrant and work effectively with your presidential staff and underlings. You can’t have a self-control problem and be the one possessing the nuclear codes.

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @SafeNow

    Hellary was the same way :-(

    we really dodged a bullet when she lost

  211. @Anonymous
    @jsm


    It wouldn’t matter if the Founders *had* included Free White Persons of Good Character in the Constitution. The anti-Whites who hate us American-Americans would have jibber jabbered their way around that, too, just as they’ve jibber-jabbered their way past “our posterity.”
     
    A strict interpretation of "our posterity" would also exclude many whites, which obviously is not the intent of those who invoke those words today.

    The liberal, individualist philosophy behind the Constitution meant that there would be a bias towards expanding and extending rights over time, regardless of whatever else the Founders might have written or done. This is why most people don't have a problem with the abolition of slavery and extension of rights to blacks, despite many of the Founders having approved of and practiced slavery themselves. This is also why many in the American far-right have traditionally turned to illiberal political philosophies from Europe, because the liberal, individualist Enlightenment philosophy of the founding is not sufficient to support a right-wing, traditionalist, group based political order and philosophy.

    If the Founding and Constitution had been based on a philosophy of racialism rather than Enlightenment liberalism and individualism, then most people would have recognized that abolition and the expansion and extension of rights over time were a revolutionary break with the principles of the Constitution. But because of Enlightenment liberalism, most people today regard the extension of rights as not only compatible with the Constitution, but its proper fulfillment.

    Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog

    That’s a load of crap. The Constitution isn’t even remotely being followed and hasn’t been since at least the time of FDR’s New Deal. They so blatantly violated rights that he tried to argue he was constitutionally entitled to dictate how much wheat a man can grow not for sale but for personal use. When things didn’t go his way he tried to pack the Supreme Court (until they surrendered) and he held free speech hostage by controlling the licenses to broadcast. He radically cracked down on gun rights and didn’t even bother with getting a constitutional amendment. They widened the interpretation of the commerce clause to such ridiculous levels that it entirely invalidated the rest of the document.

    Unlike the abuses under Lincoln and Wilson, FDR did all of this during peacetime. The founding stock would have certainly rebelled in 1933 had they been alive.

    The extension of black “rights” in 1965 meant that they couldn’t be “discriminated” against, which is a violation of the 1st Amendment’s freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Now the courts will order you to pay potentially millions to any grievance groups (other than white) for exercising your free speech; if this is not government tyranny, I don’t know what is. It’s certainly far in excess of anything King George had ever done.

    None of this is to say there’s anything wrong with illiberal European political philosophies. But it’s transparently false to claim that individual rights are the governing principle of our time when whites are currently being held collectively guilty and non-whites are being held collectively entitled to everything we’ve built. As Bush allegedly said, it’s [now] just a scrap of paper.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @NobodyKnowsImADog

    "The extension of black “rights” in 1965 meant that they couldn’t be “discriminated” against..."

    It wasn't an extension, it was the fulfillment of. See, Southrons were greedy. The Justices stated clearly in the Plessy case "separate but equal". Unfortunately, those Southerners who would have honored that legal decision were undermined by Southrons, who worked to deny fundamental freedoms to blacks (and those whites who sought to mate and procreate with them). Fortunately, Southrons got their comeuppance with the Brown case.

    "The Constitution isn’t even remotely being followed and hasn’t been since at least the time of FDR’s New Deal."

    Wow, just wow. Your level of ignorance is overwhelming.

  212. Meanwhile, telling “allies” (more like “exploities”) what to do with THEIR economy:

    Big bully at work: Firm laying Nord Stream 2 pipeline halts all ‘activities’ faced with ‘crushing sanctions’ by US

    The only thing that’s really still on the table of “commerce”:

    > Interdicting Russia, China, India and anybody South who is not licking boots
    > Supporting Israel
    > Pushing F-35 (with a “support contract” of course)

    Cryptolocker virus levels of “friendly”.

  213. @Desiderius
    @Ed

    If the Germans don't inject the bacillus 90% chance you just get the Mensheviks and some flavor of hard-edged, relatively corrupt social democracy. Instead Lenin Wick offs the whole country to avenge his brother.

    Replies: @Ed

    I think it would have went down as other revolutions went down, regardless. A moderate force eliminates the ruling regime only to give way to more radical elements to take over. The mere existence of Bolsheviks meant agitation from the radical elements would continue.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ed

    Radical elements let the moderates position themselves in that nice fat, sweet center. The radicals would still be writing their silly tracts and setting off a bomb here and there without Sparky Vlad to start the conflagration by forcing everyone off the fence at gunpoint.

  214. @anon
    @Ed

    The Russian Revolution was well telegraphed.

    Well, yeah, since various factions had been calling for revolution for over 50 years.

    The Czar gave up autocracy when in 1905?

    No. The 1905 revolt failed in large part because the Russian Army remained loyal to the Tzar. The Russian Army in 1916 was a different thing, thanks to a couple of years of pointless death in a thing called "World War One".

    Have you ever heard of http://www.google.com ? It could help you learn something.

    Replies: @Ed

    I try to work from memory it’s good brain exercise. You probably should use Google more yourself instead of being needlessly snarky with an anon handle.

    Sure the Duma wasn’t effective and failed to curb Nicholas’s autocracy but it was still a concession nonetheless.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma_(Russian_Empire)?wprov=sfti1

    Coming under pressure from the Russian Revolution of 1905, on August 6, 1905 (O.S.), Sergei Witte (appointed by Nicholas II to manage peace negotiations with Japan after the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905) issued a manifesto about the convocation of the Duma, initially thought to be a purely advisory body, the so-called Bulygin-Duma. In the subsequent October Manifesto, the Tsar promised to introduce further civil liberties, provide for broad participation in a new “State Duma”, and endow the Duma with legislative and oversight powers. The State Duma was to be the lower house of a parliament, and the State Council of Imperial Russia the upper house.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Ed

    I try to work from memory it’s good brain exercise.

    Then you should have remembered the Decembrist revolt of the 1820's and the assassination of Alexander II in the 1880's, plus the suicide bombing campaign of the SR's in the late 19th and early 20th century - which failed to produce the desired results. The Social Democrats could then say something like 'We told you so". Then you could reflect from memory on the differences between the Russian Army circa 1905 and the Russian Army circa 1916 in terms of personnel. Since personnel is policy, putting urban machine-users who tended to be political radicals in charge of machine guns in the Army turned out to be a gift to the Reds. That would have hopefully prevented you from writing dumb stuff about the Bolsheviks - who were not a majority - and by implication the Minsheviks - who actually were the majority. Know what I mean?

    You probably should use Google more yourself instead of being needlessly snarky with an anon handle.

    Ok, Boomer! Sorry it's not 1968 anymore!

    Say, could you explain the point you are trying to make by referring to a revo from 100+ years ago?

  215. @Anon
    OT

    The fringes are getting fringier.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/membership

    Prohibiting Caste Prejudice on Campus

    Brandeis University has added caste identity as "a recognized and protected characteristic" in the institution's antidiscrimination policy. The move was made to address caste distinctions among students and faculty members of South Asian descent.
     

    "Brandeis believes that since caste identity is so intertwined with many of the legally recognized and protected characteristics, discrimination based on a person's caste is effectively the same," Liebowitz said a written statement. "Going forward, the Office of Equal Opportunity will oversee issues and complaints of discrimination related to caste brought forward by members of the Brandeis community, just as it does for other types of discrimination."
     
    So is this like Sharia law for subcontinentals?

    The caste system is a centuries-old social hierarchy that has led to oppression of people in lower castes in some South Asian communities, most notably in India....
     
    I thought that the colonial British created the caste system. Isn't that the progressive academic party line? Or they "perfected" it, or "encouraged" it. By the way, the UK apparently already has this sort of caste discrimination law, promoted by "Dalit" untouchable immigrants.

    Replies: @PSR, @Chris Renner, @Daniel H, @PiltdownMan

  216. @anon
    Amy Kolbucher is more like a Special Education teacher. Nice lady who takes hotdish to her sick neighbor, but clueless about most everything around her. Promoted way beyond her competence.

    Replies: @Houston 1992, @El Dato

    • Replies: @anon
    @El Dato

    Ségolène Royal: Policies of

    So?

  217. @HammerJack
    @Bill P

    Anyone who has more than three products of any kind in his bathroom (and I'm including soap) is not a real man. And you can tell Patrick Bateman I said so.

    Okay, four if you're counting toothpaste and toilet paper. And obviously if you share your bathroom with a woman it'll be more like three or four dozen.

    Incidentally, something very similar obtains with respect to mixed drinks. One ingredient (the booze) and you're fine. Two, okay. Three or more and you're a poof or a lady.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Duke84

    If you have more than one scented candle in your home you’re gay.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Duke84


    If you have more than one scented candle in your home you’re gay.
     
    Or married.
  218. @Ano
    @Slim Dunkins

    Hi Tiny,

    I prefer to watch the hilarious civil wars between dimwit negro talentless rappers.
    Let's you and me sell the idea to HBO!

    From Wokeipedia...

    On December 16, 2011, member Slim Dunkin was shot and killed at an Atlanta recording studio preparing to shoot a music video. Slim Dunkin was shot while arguing with another person in the building, who has been identified as Atlanta rapper, Young Vito. On February 25, 2013, Young Vito was acquitted of murdering Slim Dunkin, but he was given a 25-year sentence for aggravated assault and possession of a firearm.

    Replies: @Hail

    On February 25, 2013, Young Vito was acquitted of murdering Slim Dunkin, but he was given a 25-year sentence for aggravated assault

    The good news is, he’ll be out in time to have a comeback as Middle-Aged Vito.

  219. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Bill P


    ...I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh’s voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.
     
    Pete BUTTKRIEG is a member of an ultra-esoteric, Maltese human sacrifice & all-purpose "mystery"/sodomy cult, so why not?*


    *Technically, there's no evidence to support my assertions about that horrible little man.

    Replies: @Hail

    Pete BUTTKRIEG

    This is it. This is the one.

    I’ve seen at least a dozen unique nicknames for this man, all playing on the unfortunate first four letters of his surname. But this is the one. By which I mean it is the one most likely to be used by a well-known Twitter troll who tweets under @realDonaldTrump.

  220. @R.G. Camara
    @bigdicknick

    Dude...small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of "Deep State front man" isn't obvious? This is Macron or Obama again. Being pushed by the Deep State as a great little puppet to manage if the public goes for the "unknown man" thing they did for Obama in 2008---but this time for gays, not blacks.

    What obviously boosts this nothing of a man up is not other gays but the fact that he will be a good little Deep State Davos globalist and let the spooks and the corporate masters go back to running the country.

    Can't you see that?

    P.S. I'll add that Macron was intent on joining the Deep State at 12---that's when he made surprise conversion to Catholicism, knowing it would sell later and fool religious French types--and only 2-3 years later he set eyes on his older weak teacher to be his beard. Obama was a bit later---19---before he went from a choomhead at Occidental to transferring to Columbia and beginning his surprising rise without doing anything of import. These guys start young.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @anon

    how do you see the deep state influencing voters towards mayor Pete? Via influence on the media? Andrew Yang has a less mainstream platform and has made it pretty far despite not being:

    1. particularly rich(I think he is worth very low 7 figures) or
    2. skilled at politics(he makes all kinds of gaffes although I like some of his ideas)

    I think it just shows how weak the field is more than anything. Like, Julian Castro is on national debate stages and he is clearly a moron.

    Why would the deep state want Pete over Biden anyway? Biden is where he is because he is unscrupulous.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @bigdicknick


    how do you see the deep state influencing voters towards mayor Pete?
     
    They've propped him with a lot positive coverage and fake polls---much more so than Bernie Sanders, Yang, or Tulsi, all of whom had larger groundswells at the start.

    Yang's done exceedingly well for himself because he's embraced issues that Trump supporters (i.e. nationalists) can get behind---guaranteed income, calling the impeachment a farce, etc.


    Why would the deep state want Pete over Biden anyway? Biden is where he is because he is unscrupulous.
     
    Why are you so tunnel-vision as to think they only bet on one horse, especially after Obama and Trump, who were dark horses? I'm saying he's propped up by the Deep State, I didn't say he was their only choice. The Deep State has been exceedingly happy with both the D and R candidate for president since rough 1988 until Trump in 2016; this is about propping up all of their guys.

    Seriously, if you're going to keep denying that Gay No Accomplishments Pete isn't Deep State, I have a bridge to sell you, along with some swampland.
  221. @istevefan
    @Jack D


    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.
     
    What you write is true. Once violence is unleashed no one can control it, and its outcome is unpredictable.

    But this advice that you are giving to us should have been, and should be given to the other side. For bringing in disparate peoples has generally led to eventual conflicts. It is akin to stacking kindling in a dry forest.

    And it is not like there are no historical precedents. Many wars have been fought over the centuries to carve out spaces for particular groups so that the conflict associated with living check to jowl with different groups could be avoided.

    So the other side are the ones who have put us into this situation, not the people on our side who object. In fact whether we object or not, whether we speculate on sending them back or not is immaterial. What the other side has done has almost certainly condemned future generations to some sort of conflict and strife that did not need to happen.

    Yet over and over I see people on blogs like this advising people on our side to tone it down for the good of society so that we can avoid a conflict no one wants. When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Achmed E. Newman

    When are people going to go to the blogs and forums on the other side and advise them to back off a policy that will most likely lead to future conflicts?

    They have, iSteveFan! Then, the comments get deleted, the commenters get banned, and whole very civilly-written websites like Amren get cancelled in various ways by search engines, youtube, and the third-party payment companies.

    Peter Brimelow must have written almost 20 years ago that “this will only end it tears”. He was being nice, as 3 more decades back, Brit Enoch Powell predicted “rivers of blood”. You can’t say the other side has not been warned, thousands or millions of time. It’s like warning a Communist what might happen if he gets a chance to run a country the way he wants. There’s no point.

    The other side WANTS destruction, but just not the sort of destruction that we’re all gonna get.

  222. @petit bourgeois
    @Lot

    "Immivasion" isn't a word, yet.

    To understand the current philosophy of the chicano/paisano/wab culture, you shoulda/gotta use the word "irredentism," and "irredentist," which is what it/he/she/they is. Like Mussolini trying to capture the former Roman Empire by invading Ethiopia in 1936. You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, it is more fascist than Mussolini ever was:


    Organizational Goals
    This list of Organizational goals is pulled directly from the El Plan de Aztlan document[2] itself.

    "1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

    2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

    3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

    4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

    5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

    6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

    7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!"
     
    Not one of the mexicans I know in my town knows what the word means, so I remind them of the Treaty of Guadalupe of Hidalgo in 1848, where those Mexicans and Spaniards met their defeat. They are just trying to get back what they lost: the entire southwest USA.

    BTW I love your commentary.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

    You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan

    How many Latinos have read it and ascribe to it today?

    El Plan was written in 1969. You should read some of the crap that white college students were writing in 1969, or black power advocates or the Manson Family, etc. It was the end times, man. The whole corrupt system was going to come crashing down and be replaced by a new order where (Hispanics, Communists, Blacks, etc.) would rule. If anyone took this stuff seriously in 1969 (and no more than a handful ever really walked the walk – talk is cheap) they sure don’t in 2019. Now it’s WN’s who have revolutionary/civil war/partition fantasies.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D


    Now it’s WN’s who have revolutionary/civil war/partition fantasies.
     
    I'll throw in a mention of ISIS and such.

    I'll also mention that Hispanic; Communist; and Black built societies seem immune to getting swamped by immigrants. WNs are too anxious to build something that will get mobbed.

    Embrace the suck, I suppose.

  223. @anon
    @nebulafox

    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.” The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White. This will percolate down to affect all other minorities, as it will determine how they try to advance in our society, either via intersectional gibbs or via adopting healthy White attitudes and culture.

    The reality is that the upper crust of every minority group wants to fall in the White tent. And we see this on a daily basis, when normal minorities (and even the rare Black) adopt White culture, they are often treated as honorary Whites or at least viewed as acting White.

    America is unavoidably headed for a more nuanced racial caste system. The definition of White needs to be expanded to include a behavioral component to exist in this world. If done correctly, it could create a powerful magnet to pull together enough Whites and “White tent” allies to sustain political power for a very long time. More effective than Citizenism or hopes for assimilation.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Corvinus

    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.”

    It is never a screw-up for living things to focus exclusively on their life.

  224. @Jonathan Mason

    He believes liberals, who live in urban areas, really want to disarm blacks because they make urban areas unsafe. But they cannot state that position out loud. So they direct their gun control arguments against White mass shooters instead.
     
    This is obviously true, but it pisses off the rural hunters who live too far from the sheriff's office to deter home invaders, and who want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @Achmed E. Newman

    You don’t have to be a hunter to want to deter home invasions. A long gun is not always the best, though a shotgun will suffice. You don’t have to be rural either, as when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. My friend, living in the city, heard a noise and saw this black hand reaching for the bottom of the window from the outside. He shot a couple of .40 caliber rounds into the sill. Haha, I LOLed just thinking about it, and this was years ago. It’s nice to rent, sometimes.

    (I have my own stories, but not agonna tell here …)

    Oh, you don’t have to be white either. There are lower-class blacks that aren’t bad people and have no choice but to live in the bad areas (the whites don’t want them, for good damn reasons, as they’ll just bring their thug cousins into the nice neighborhoods anyway). The lefty “goodwhites” want to disarm these people along with everyone else. That can really raise one’s stress level, living in an area like that unarmed.

    As for you, I don’t know how you come up with some of your lefty crap after living in northern Florida for so long. Are you not going to assimilate, Jonathan?

  225. @Ed
    @Desiderius

    I think it would have went down as other revolutions went down, regardless. A moderate force eliminates the ruling regime only to give way to more radical elements to take over. The mere existence of Bolsheviks meant agitation from the radical elements would continue.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Radical elements let the moderates position themselves in that nice fat, sweet center. The radicals would still be writing their silly tracts and setting off a bomb here and there without Sparky Vlad to start the conflagration by forcing everyone off the fence at gunpoint.

  226. @Moses
    @Altai

    Oddly, Asians in Asia consider only White Americans to be "real Americans."

    It makes sense too, given how they think. To them, "Chinese" means Han. "Japanese" means Japanese. "Vietnamese" means Kinh. "Korean" means Korean.

    Nationality to Asians is ethnic/racial.

    It's natural they extend this thinking to America.

    I have had Asians tell me "Asian-Americans aren't really American."

    It took me some time, but eventually I realized that their view of nationality is the more natural one.

    I once said "If I could get a Chinese passport that would make me Chinese, right?" Chinese laughed in my face. It was the funniest and most absurd thing she ever heard.

    Asian parents insist their children are taught English by Whites. Even non-native-English Euros are preferable to Asian-Americans.

    Again, makes sense. Who wants to learn Chinese from a White person?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good comment, Moses. I don’t think that’s always the case, but the insistence that this passport means anything as far as culture and loyalty is pretty deluded. As for:

    Who wants to learn Chinese from a White person?

    I ask you , who wants to take advice from a White person, even if her name is Chang… stein?

    “I’m not taking advice from some girl from Long Island!”

  227. @anon
    @Jack D

    It’s a royal fukin’ mess. No one in his right mind should ask for this to happen, not even to his own worst enemy let alone to his homeland. The people who are itching for this have no idea what it is really like. It’s no walk in the park.

    Tell that to the liberals who have been upping the ante for over a generation. Start with the ultra-progressive liberal Governor of Virginia who is publicly musing a huge LARP of Lexington and Concord. He's on record discussing the use of VA NatGuard against counties that will not comply with gun confiscation plus cutting all coms into target areas to make the action easy to complete.

    I do not know where that would lead, but it could get very ugly very fast. Yet I don't see any qualms on the liberal side at all, either indifference or "let's get started!" confidence.

    Go tell them, Jack, they won't listen to the likes of me.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    “He’s on record discussing the use of VA NatGuard against counties that will not comply with gun confiscation plus cutting all coms into target areas to make the action easy to complete.

    So that’s the reason for the FCC blocking those cheap Chinese two-way radios!

    The FCC issued an enforcement advisory today against the import, sale and use of unauthorized VHF/UHF two way radios effective immediately. The advisory reiterated that non-compliant radios can not be imported, sold, advertised or operated by anyone in the United States.

    The advisory was issued September 24, 2018 and implies that a crackdown on cheap, imported radios is imminent. The FCC warned that violators will be subject to penalties, including monetary fines up to $19,639 per day during the violation and up to $147,290 for an ongoing violation.

    The “crack-down” began in early August when the FCC went after an Amazon seller of a variant of the immensely popular Baofeng UV-5R, or more specifically, the UV-5R V2+. The FCC issued a cease and desist order to this seller, making it clear that they considered the UV-5R V2+ to be non-compliant. We discussed this at length in episode 126 of The Two Way Radio Show podcast.

    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2018/09/fcc-issues-advisory-against-the-import-sale-and-use-of-unauthorized-uhf-vhf-two-way-radios.html

    Is Democrat Party vs People’s Militia coming?

  228. @Jack D
    I'm sorry but you are distorting her words. She is talking about the soon to be 50% of the population that is non-white and is already here. She is right that we could not have a successful economy that only involves half the population with the other half on welfare or something. It behooves the government to try to educate the non-white half of children being born today so that they will be productive citizens and not parasites.

    Even if we never let in another immigrant, we are still going to have to deal with the ones who are already here and their US born children. Realistically we are never going to deport most of them, and not a single one who is American born, so we have to make the best of what we have. Maybe we should never have put ourselves in this situation (and we should stop digging deeper) but here we are.

    Replies: @bomag, @Dave3, @peterike, @Joseph Doaks, @GodHelpUs, @Jonathan Mason, @orionyx, @Nico, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Anon, @Moses, @ben tillman, @Alan Mercer

    Wait, who says they need to be educated to be productive? How much do you need to know to wear a yoke?

  229. @SafeNow
    Klobuchar has a temper problem. She has been known to throw binders, phones, etc. at staff. This, without more, is disqualifying. She “loses it.” You can’t be President Temper-Tyrant and work effectively with your presidential staff and underlings. You can’t have a self-control problem and be the one possessing the nuclear codes.

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    Hellary was the same way 🙁

    we really dodged a bullet when she lost

  230. @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason


    want their guns to scare off the local rural blacks
     
    This isn't a thing.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    He’s almost certainly referring to the rural South.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hibernian

    As am I.

  231. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    @bigdicknick

    Dude...small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of "Deep State front man" isn't obvious? This is Macron or Obama again. Being pushed by the Deep State as a great little puppet to manage if the public goes for the "unknown man" thing they did for Obama in 2008---but this time for gays, not blacks.

    What obviously boosts this nothing of a man up is not other gays but the fact that he will be a good little Deep State Davos globalist and let the spooks and the corporate masters go back to running the country.

    Can't you see that?

    P.S. I'll add that Macron was intent on joining the Deep State at 12---that's when he made surprise conversion to Catholicism, knowing it would sell later and fool religious French types--and only 2-3 years later he set eyes on his older weak teacher to be his beard. Obama was a bit later---19---before he went from a choomhead at Occidental to transferring to Columbia and beginning his surprising rise without doing anything of import. These guys start young.

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @anon

    Dude…small city mayor with no political accomplishments. McKinsey drone. Impeccable globalist school pedigree (Harvard, Oxford, Rhodes). Worked in intelligence in the military. Homosexual.

    What part of “Deep State front man” isn’t obvious?

    Totally obvious, as obvious as a turtle on a fencepost.

  232. @Daniel H
    @Desiderius

    Traditionally the way we’ve done immigration is waves and pauses. It’s time for the pause, whatever the IQ. Need some time to assimilate our elites.

    Wrong approach. You can't give the Cucks any wiggle room. We must be entirely uncompromising. New meme: Immigration, don't mend it, END IT. All of it. Forever. Don't yield. Don't compromise.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Elsewhere

    I disagree. People are more likely to support something that is seen as traditional to America and not a radical change. Closing the door indefinitely sounds radical, even though we know it would likely not be forever.

  233. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    I think “Old Stock Americans” means white people whose families have been here for a long time. But I certainly take your point and I think it’s accurate to say that American Blacks who trace their ancestors to American slaves have been here longer than most White people. The Black slaves stopped coming early in the 19th century while white people continued to come in large numbers up to WWI. As long time residents of this country Blacks deserve to have their interests considered when we make decisions.

    But Black leaders, just like White leaders, have allowed the demographics of our country to become radically changed since the 1970s. I guess they though they’d do better if there were more nonwhites here. Obviously that has not happened. Instead they get to compete in and lose countless battles for housing, jobs and other resources with newcomers, including new black immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa.

    It is a terrible twist of fate that mass migration started happening shortly after the big Civil Rights bills of the 1960s got passed. A lot of help that could have gone to bring blacks up went to paying the bills for new immigrants. It’s not fair. And yet Black leaders keep banging the drum for more immigration. Will they never learn?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @notsaying

    “Black Leaders” are not capable of intellectual agency. They are put in power externally and are chosen for pliancy. Occasionally one wanders off heading like Hymietown Jackson, but is immediately corrected and falls into place.

    The black underclass and the black earned-gibs class- affirmative action government and corporate employees- do not “choose their own leaders”. They accept the leadership chosen for them by the media.

    The average white is dumb and sheepish enough, and is herdable, but blacks are even dumber than that. Actual black dissenters with some intelligence are effectively marginalized.

    Blacks will vote as their Big Man says and their Big Man will tell them what his handlers want him to. A statistically insignificant number of blacks will do differently. To analyze black thinking any farther than that is a sinkhole of time and effort.

    When it does not matter the Big Men will be instructed to let them vote any way they want or to hint voting GOP or for a reform or crank candidate in the Dem primary would be okay so maybe thirty percent of blacks will wander off course and the cucks will have some ammo to bleat about how blacks can be appealed to yadda yadda. When it makes a difference the black vote is a dead sure thing. They knows how they is supposed to vote. And they do.

  234. @Reg Cæsar
    Montana is our smartest state? West Virginia our dumbest?

    These are the third- and seventh-whitest states. I think the only Montanans who bother to drive several hundred miles to the test site would be the most motivated. (If only to get out of Montana.)

    Six other states, three in New England, finish above 1100 on the SAT, and Virginia and both Dakotas are at exactly 1099. (Or is that a tax form?)


    https://fr.quora.com/Quel-%C3%89tat-des-Etats-Unis-a-la-population-la-plus-intelligente

    https://prepexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/221473_ScoresStateInfo_050218.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius, @res, @Grumpy

    Judged by the quality of their politicians, Minnesotans are much stupider than their test scores indicate.

    On a related note:

    https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/16/insurance-study-ranks-minnesota-drivers-as-second-worst-in-country/

  235. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D


    Aren’t blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence?
     
    Sigh...a repost...

    There was never a “multiracial American nation”. Until the 1960s/70s, there were three loosely connected “nations”: blacks, who were the most homogeneous among them; whites, who were the real historical American nation – basically old stock Americans of British descent plus culturally assimilated groups of other Europeans (white phenotype, English language, Western culture & American historical traditions); and then, a conglomerate of Native American peoples/”nations”, who lived apart.

    Only whites, who constituted 80-85% of the populace, could be considered Americans; those other two groups were American national minorities, yet not a part of American nation. Then, in the 70s things started to change & American nation has entered the stage of dissolution.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “There was never a “multiracial American nation”. Until the 1960s/70s, there were three loosely connected “nations”…”

    By 1700, there were the Europeans who settled and immigrated here, the Africans who were brought over by force to serve as slaves, and the various indigenous groups who were conquered. All of these groups were intertwined, not “loosely connected”.

    “whites, who were the real historical American nation…”

    That would be Fake News. At that time (1700’s), Europeans generally viewed themselves as Europeans. There was an “ethnic hierarchy” in place. Refer to patriots like Benjamin Franklin were wary of “outsiders”, chiefly the Germans.

    We also know this notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European ethnic hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    “Only whites, who constituted 80-85% of the populace, could be considered Americans…”

    LOL, no. Let us look at this “great replacement” in the United States from this assumption–The true “Heritage Americans” are WASPs. They built America. How can we argue with that historical reality?

    Therefore it is tragic that WASP redoubts were subsequently overrun by foul-mouthed, parasitic louts from Eastern and Southern Europe in the late 1800 and early 1900’s. The 1924 Quota Act was a long-waited panacea to reign in such an odious creature, a wonderful piece of legislation that would make Hans F.K. Gunther proud. See, the simple fact of the matter, from the WASP point of view, is that the Eastern/Southern Europeans are infected with the “chosenite” virus. Stellar at patronizing, but not so much at moral consistency and applying to themselves the standards they demand of others.

    Face it, the Poles were especially notorious for being dirty, disease-ridden papists. The Italians bred like rabbits, lived in cramped quarters, and would not even bat an eyelash to bash in someone’s skull for a plug nickel. Yet, here we are with millions of them in the United States currently claiming they were historically embraced by their WASP counterparts because they were “white” and “European”, while simultaneously denying opportunities their forefathers and foremothers received. Nostalgia has a funny way of distorting what truly went on in the past. WASPs were absolutely correct in connecting these particular groups with their own unique “proboscis” instinct. It is an absolute shame that the aforementioned legislation unfortunately failed miserably in its purpose and intention.

    So many advocates of the Alt Right use the cudgel as “they must go back” for the various blacks and browns and yellows who entered our shores since 1965…when in reality their own ancestors ought not be here, if they applied their own logic to themselves!

    Consider that Alt Right guru Vox Day assuredly champions the WASP cause–Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people, in particular Alt Right leaders, whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Poles have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    Of course, it needs to be mentioned here, from the WASP lens, that Eastern and Southern Europeans do not think like WASPs. The mind of those groups individually and collectively is numbingly simplistic in brain structure. They lack the distinct ability to understand individual justice, or even have a conscience for that matter. Again, we were told by nativists long ago, for example, that the Italians especially are notorious for having a completely different neurological reality, different even in matters of soul. But what do they know, right?

    In the end, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen. These principles only apply to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Poland or in Serbia or in Bulgaria are other than American. They pushed out the WASPs while eagerly putting their out snout in the trough that they simply did not built.

    We all have to go back.

  236. @anon
    @nebulafox

    I would tweak this.

    Where White Nationalists screw up is focusing strictly on race, without adding an aspirational mechanism for other ethnicities to be included in the “honorary White tent.” The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White. This will percolate down to affect all other minorities, as it will determine how they try to advance in our society, either via intersectional gibbs or via adopting healthy White attitudes and culture.

    The reality is that the upper crust of every minority group wants to fall in the White tent. And we see this on a daily basis, when normal minorities (and even the rare Black) adopt White culture, they are often treated as honorary Whites or at least viewed as acting White.

    America is unavoidably headed for a more nuanced racial caste system. The definition of White needs to be expanded to include a behavioral component to exist in this world. If done correctly, it could create a powerful magnet to pull together enough Whites and “White tent” allies to sustain political power for a very long time. More effective than Citizenism or hopes for assimilation.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Corvinus

    “The biggest debate over the coming decades will be what it means to be a Good White vs Bad White.”

    That’s easy! Just follow the Alt Right Chart I created for your convenience!

    BAD
    Trouble maker white –> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white –> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white –> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white –> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not –> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites –> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white –> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white –> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white –> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

  237. @NobodyKnowsImADog
    @Anonymous

    That's a load of crap. The Constitution isn't even remotely being followed and hasn't been since at least the time of FDR's New Deal. They so blatantly violated rights that he tried to argue he was constitutionally entitled to dictate how much wheat a man can grow not for sale but for personal use. When things didn't go his way he tried to pack the Supreme Court (until they surrendered) and he held free speech hostage by controlling the licenses to broadcast. He radically cracked down on gun rights and didn't even bother with getting a constitutional amendment. They widened the interpretation of the commerce clause to such ridiculous levels that it entirely invalidated the rest of the document.

    Unlike the abuses under Lincoln and Wilson, FDR did all of this during peacetime. The founding stock would have certainly rebelled in 1933 had they been alive.

    The extension of black "rights" in 1965 meant that they couldn't be "discriminated" against, which is a violation of the 1st Amendment's freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Now the courts will order you to pay potentially millions to any grievance groups (other than white) for exercising your free speech; if this is not government tyranny, I don't know what is. It's certainly far in excess of anything King George had ever done.

    None of this is to say there's anything wrong with illiberal European political philosophies. But it's transparently false to claim that individual rights are the governing principle of our time when whites are currently being held collectively guilty and non-whites are being held collectively entitled to everything we've built. As Bush allegedly said, it's [now] just a scrap of paper.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The extension of black “rights” in 1965 meant that they couldn’t be “discriminated” against…”

    It wasn’t an extension, it was the fulfillment of. See, Southrons were greedy. The Justices stated clearly in the Plessy case “separate but equal”. Unfortunately, those Southerners who would have honored that legal decision were undermined by Southrons, who worked to deny fundamental freedoms to blacks (and those whites who sought to mate and procreate with them). Fortunately, Southrons got their comeuppance with the Brown case.

    “The Constitution isn’t even remotely being followed and hasn’t been since at least the time of FDR’s New Deal.”

    Wow, just wow. Your level of ignorance is overwhelming.

  238. @Hibernian
    @Desiderius

    He's almost certainly referring to the rural South.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    As am I.

  239. @John Arthur
    Hey Steve,

    I wonder how much of this is anti-White hate stupidity due to a misapplication of transitive property.

    For instance, Hispanics and Asians make up a vast majority of immigrants, and they make up a vast amount of the immigrant onflow.

    They tend to have low crime rates, so people make the assumption that any immigration==low crime rates, as immigrants move into poor American neighborhoods(i.e Black neighborhoods), and gentrify and improve them. So immigrants are better than Native born Blacks.

    Use transitive property
    Immigrants>native born Blacks
    Media tells us that all racial groups are equal so,
    All Immigrants>all native born Americans
    Ergo
    All Immigrants> native born White Americans
    Since you can say #3 but not #1 or even #2, the national debate becomes
    All Immigrants>native born White Americans.
    You deserve immigration cause they are better than you.

    Say it enough times, and it becomes true.

    I wonder how much frustation that is sent toward working class Native born White Americans is really meant toward native born Black Americans, but can't be expressed

    Since Blacks make up a large amount of popular culture, their failures are felt even in states like Minnesota even where they are not a large part of the population

    As such, the instinctive drive among our elites for immigration get expressed in this manner, even in situations where there is no need for them, and even in situations where they may make things worse.

    E.X: Liberal irritation with downtrodden working class "Whites" that do not have good economic mobilty(Learn to code), in reality Whites have good economic mobility even in areas like West Virginia, but Blacks do not. But can't say blacks, so they say Whites.

    Replies: @John Arthur, @J.Ross, @istevefan, @HonestBl2

    I had never thought about it that way, but your explanation kind of make sense. Is the left-leaning oligarchs love for immigration due to the fact that they have been disappointed by African-Americans? For example, if they love African-Americans so much, why did they immediately expand affirmative action to black Africans and all the other foreigners? Why don’t they want to make any distinction when it comes to ADOS and immigrants when it comes to reparations? Why are they pretending that immigration does not hurt African-Americans wages the most?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @HonestBl2


    left-leaning oligarchs
     
    Pretty good indication that whatever Left they're leaning toward is as phony as a three dollar bill.
    , @John Arthur
    @HonestBl2

    Exactly. Since Blacks had a higher fertility than Whites, the only way to prevent this horrible trend, while preserving liberal ideas, was to promote mass immigration. Otherwise, drastic actions would have had to be taken to maintain America's first world nature, probably of a reactionary nature.

    Immigration allows liberals to replace Blacks, and still have them have a liberal mindset to believe in. Bonus, it also replaces White Gentiles who they hate as well!

  240. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    those fools aren’t about to open their country to all comers
     
    My nephew and his Mexican wife live and work in China, and so do large numbers of westerners. There are about 1 million foreigners living in China--and liking it!

    China is the 4th most popular tourist destination in the world and receives more than 2 million visitors annually from the US.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Altai, @Ed, @Lurker, @Amerimutt Golems

    According to China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs there were over 440,000 foreign students in 2016. The country gives out ‘scholarships’ in exchange for plundering natural resources.

    You also have lots of business people who buy and export slave labor manufactured goods to their home countries akin to the old European trade enclaves.

    Prior to the Tiananmen Square saga there were protests in Nanjing over among other things Sub-Saharan students dating local women .

  241. @Jack D
    @petit bourgeois


    You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan
     
    How many Latinos have read it and ascribe to it today?

    El Plan was written in 1969. You should read some of the crap that white college students were writing in 1969, or black power advocates or the Manson Family, etc. It was the end times, man. The whole corrupt system was going to come crashing down and be replaced by a new order where (Hispanics, Communists, Blacks, etc.) would rule. If anyone took this stuff seriously in 1969 (and no more than a handful ever really walked the walk - talk is cheap) they sure don't in 2019. Now it's WN's who have revolutionary/civil war/partition fantasies.

    Replies: @bomag

    Now it’s WN’s who have revolutionary/civil war/partition fantasies.

    I’ll throw in a mention of ISIS and such.

    I’ll also mention that Hispanic; Communist; and Black built societies seem immune to getting swamped by immigrants. WNs are too anxious to build something that will get mobbed.

    Embrace the suck, I suppose.

  242. @El Dato

    Ségolène Royal: Policies of

    So?

  243. @HonestBl2
    @John Arthur

    I had never thought about it that way, but your explanation kind of make sense. Is the left-leaning oligarchs love for immigration due to the fact that they have been disappointed by African-Americans? For example, if they love African-Americans so much, why did they immediately expand affirmative action to black Africans and all the other foreigners? Why don't they want to make any distinction when it comes to ADOS and immigrants when it comes to reparations? Why are they pretending that immigration does not hurt African-Americans wages the most?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Arthur

    left-leaning oligarchs

    Pretty good indication that whatever Left they’re leaning toward is as phony as a three dollar bill.

  244. @HonestBl2
    @John Arthur

    I had never thought about it that way, but your explanation kind of make sense. Is the left-leaning oligarchs love for immigration due to the fact that they have been disappointed by African-Americans? For example, if they love African-Americans so much, why did they immediately expand affirmative action to black Africans and all the other foreigners? Why don't they want to make any distinction when it comes to ADOS and immigrants when it comes to reparations? Why are they pretending that immigration does not hurt African-Americans wages the most?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Arthur

    Exactly. Since Blacks had a higher fertility than Whites, the only way to prevent this horrible trend, while preserving liberal ideas, was to promote mass immigration. Otherwise, drastic actions would have had to be taken to maintain America’s first world nature, probably of a reactionary nature.

    Immigration allows liberals to replace Blacks, and still have them have a liberal mindset to believe in. Bonus, it also replaces White Gentiles who they hate as well!

  245. @petit bourgeois
    @Lot

    "Immivasion" isn't a word, yet.

    To understand the current philosophy of the chicano/paisano/wab culture, you shoulda/gotta use the word "irredentism," and "irredentist," which is what it/he/she/they is. Like Mussolini trying to capture the former Roman Empire by invading Ethiopia in 1936. You should read the Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, it is more fascist than Mussolini ever was:


    Organizational Goals
    This list of Organizational goals is pulled directly from the El Plan de Aztlan document[2] itself.

    "1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

    2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

    3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

    4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

    5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

    6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

    7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!"
     
    Not one of the mexicans I know in my town knows what the word means, so I remind them of the Treaty of Guadalupe of Hidalgo in 1848, where those Mexicans and Spaniards met their defeat. They are just trying to get back what they lost: the entire southwest USA.

    BTW I love your commentary.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

    Thanks.

    I don’t think Mexican irredentism is real outside a tiny number of third tier Cal State academics. I’ve also made my peace with the prior wave of Mexican migration.

    We’ve got a new giant non-white underclass, but as far as these go, Mexicans (as well as Filipinos, Vietnamese and Laotians) are about the least objectionable.

    Central Americans are a worse source of human capital with less prospect for integration because Mexicans average about half Euro ancestry and the other half literate agricultural-civilization ancestry. CentAms are more like 20% Euro and the rest stone age jungle dwellers.

    North Africans, aside from being Muslim, seem to lack the work ethic of Mexicans. You can see this in employment rates: Mexican immigrants and their children work at a similar rate to white Americans, though are less skilled. North Africans in Europe however have spectacular rates of being NEET welfare leeches over multiple generations.

  246. @Duke84
    @HammerJack

    If you have more than one scented candle in your home you're gay.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    If you have more than one scented candle in your home you’re gay.

    Or married.

  247. @istevefan

    Look, here’s the deal, people: even if immigration were to completely halt tomorrow-something that will never happen
     
    It doesn't have to stop, but it should be severely curtailed which is possible.

    How exactly do you propose to get rid of them?
     
    Peacefully if possible. We have a lot of funds available that could be used to encourage repatriation. Most of these newcomers are here for economic reasons and have no real attachment to the US. Additionally they keep ties to their native countries with extensive family connections. So it is not surprising that some did leave during the economic downturn of 2008-9.

    Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of the newcomers are urban dwellers. Historically the people who are most stubborn to leave a new land are the ones who farm it. You could point out that most Whites nowadays don't farm, or don't even have a farmer in their parent's or grandparent's generation. True, but many Americans don't have to go back too far to find an ancestor on an American farm.

    You'll note many Whites who don't even live in rural areas still have an idealized affection for rural American life because of the historical narrative it has played in our collective history. Many Whites who live in built-up areas like to get away by driving to the country to visit Amish farms, or perhaps Civil War battlefields that seem to have little to no appeal to the non-European newcomers.

    We also have an attachment to the history of this nation unlike non-Europeans. Because even if you were not a founding stock American, you can still look upon the Founders and consider them yours. That is much harder for people who are more culturally and ethnically distinct.

    The bottom line is a far larger percentage of White Americans than non-Whites are tied to this nation historically and culturally and will remain here through good times and bad.


    An ethno-sectarian explosion? Trust me: that’s not what anybody sane should want. America’s new demographics are a fait accompli.
     
    A lot of things historically were considered a fait accompli, until they weren't. Pat Buchanan once wrote about a term he called the "Theory of Inevitability". According to Pat, the theory of inevitability is used by the left to get you to stop opposing them because, as you put it, it is a fait accompli.

    I'm sure Mexicans were told in 1849 that it was a fait accompli that the Americans were now in control of a certain portion of their territories. Americans meanwhile have been told for at least 30 years that it was a fait accompli that Mexicans were going to become the dominant demographic group in those same territories. So one fait accompli led to another in about 130 years.


    The name of the game needs to be assimilation at all costs,
     
    Assimilation of such a large number of non-Europeans would mean the elimination of Europeans as a distinctive population, or at least a severe reduction in their numbers. Why would we want to do this? If America was and is a nation founded by Europeans, and whose greatness was generated with ideas and human capital from Europe, why would we want to eliminate Europeans as a distinctive group in this land? Even if they are going to lose their majority status, isn't it worthwhile for them to preserve themselves?

    The name of the game has to be preservation at all costs. Europeans in Europe as well as Europeans in the New World should want to preserve their presence in this world in which they are already declining percentage-wise worldwide. Ironically Whites who purport to support diversity ARE the diversity, and thus they should be concerned with preserving themselves, if not for their sake, then for the world's.

    Replies: @GSR, @Lot

    Good post.

    Zero new third world legal immigration means a gradual but significant reduction of America’s third world population:

    1. Illegals are gradually deported
    2. Both illegal and legal immigrants voluntarily go home for family, cultural and cost of living reasons.
    3. Limited-term visas expire and cannot be renewed
    4. Stephen Miller’s great new public charge rule stops poor legal immigrants from becoming citizens, and over time they commit crimes that render them deportable.

    I don’t think this all will actually happen, but it is certainly a realistic possibility. Trump wins, the GOP retakes the House, RBG gets replaced, and the wall plus and expanded ban on visas from Muslim countries and asylum reform and scale back birthright citizenship… all quite possible.

    You put these all together and end up with a decline of third world migrant populations of about 500,000 a year, probably hitting 700,000 if there’s a recession.

  248. @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don't want or need husbands or to stay home with kids. How will they meet and have kids with an Alpha male?

    Kloubuchar is a woman. Wow big surprise she's wholly for open borders, unlimited welfare, instant welfare, and so on. Starting with the widespread availability of contraception (cheap, easy, fast) White women decisively turned against White men. They don't think of themselves as White, rather as the girlfriends, wives, mistresses, and future mothers of non-White rulers. Think Barack Obama, and the millions of married White women confessing their sexual fantasies involving the man.

    [Africans alone are immune to the baby strikes seen in every place where women are urbanized and have access to cheap and easy and fast contraception. Algeria, Tunisia, IRAN, all have below replacement rate TFRs as does Japan and now even China. Duh, sexy men: best singers, fighters, dancers, low paternal investment aka zero, low natural iqs, low deferred gratification aka instant chaotic violence. Beta male provision is useless in a highly urbanized environment, let alone one with a welfare state. It is no accident as the Marxists say that any place electing lots of women as their leaders are pozzed up the Mayor Pete Buttgig, and endorsing open borders and instant welfare]

    Couple White women no longer needing to tolerate White Beta males with the New Class of hereditary "managers" in NGOs, Government, Media, Infotainment, Academia (which has exploded in size post WWII) and yes you get the feminist utopia: Brazil, South Africa, Haiti, etc.

    White women have been pissed off at us White men for a long long time: see this article from Bullshido.net on Marital Combat. The man was in a pit up to his waist and the woman had stones in some cloth sling. Things were OK when your average White man was a-Viking or fighting off Muslims or Huns. Not so when he was a fisherman or farming peasant. White women do not have the toleration for beta that Asian women from China or Japan have -- and it shows in our society and politics and mass third world immigration.

    You can see this in who converts to Islam in the West. Mostly White women -- being the harem girl of some big shot no matter how repulsive is a better deal than all of an ordinary White man. Meanwhile almost no White men convert as Muslims being non-White are not eager to share the limited harems of women with White men for whom they have a long established contempt as being rule-following, orderly, intelligent, nerdy losers whose women openly despise them.

    Democrats are the party of Gays, Nice White Ladies like Kloubachar, and the hereditary class of Managers plus non-Whites. They will ALWAYS want mass third world immigration and open borders and WAR on White beta males, its who they are. Given that Demographics removes 26 electoral votes from Republican states to massively Democratic states, in 2024 ANY Democrat can win with Illinois, California, and New York. Thus the massive failure of the Sailer Strategy.

    We are going to have open borders, unlimited welfare, and open warfare on White men. We need a strategy of FEAR involving lawfare, protests, spilling of secrets, and lots and lots of lawsuits on our enemies who are legion and relentless but are subject to financial attrition like everyone else.

    A good start would be digging into whatever nasty secrets there are regarding Kloubuchar. She's a woman and politician, so the chances of her being a more upscale version of Katie Hill are close to 98%. Punish her by revealing every nasty bribe, violation of ethics codes, and so on and the message will be received loud and clear.

    Freeze the target, personalize it, subject it to ridicule.

    Replies: @Carolingian Leprechaun, @ben tillman

    You didn’t just hit the nail on the head—you hit several. Especially for the top 10-15% of white women.

    I think the biggest challenge is coming up with a viable, attractive alternative a do-what-you-want, free-love, welfare u(dys)-topia. A 9-5-job, personal-responsibility, nuclear-family White-topia wouldn’t get enough votes, even among the current crop of whites.

  249. @bigdicknick
    @R.G. Camara

    how do you see the deep state influencing voters towards mayor Pete? Via influence on the media? Andrew Yang has a less mainstream platform and has made it pretty far despite not being:

    1. particularly rich(I think he is worth very low 7 figures) or
    2. skilled at politics(he makes all kinds of gaffes although I like some of his ideas)

    I think it just shows how weak the field is more than anything. Like, Julian Castro is on national debate stages and he is clearly a moron.

    Why would the deep state want Pete over Biden anyway? Biden is where he is because he is unscrupulous.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    how do you see the deep state influencing voters towards mayor Pete?

    They’ve propped him with a lot positive coverage and fake polls—much more so than Bernie Sanders, Yang, or Tulsi, all of whom had larger groundswells at the start.

    Yang’s done exceedingly well for himself because he’s embraced issues that Trump supporters (i.e. nationalists) can get behind—guaranteed income, calling the impeachment a farce, etc.

    Why would the deep state want Pete over Biden anyway? Biden is where he is because he is unscrupulous.

    Why are you so tunnel-vision as to think they only bet on one horse, especially after Obama and Trump, who were dark horses? I’m saying he’s propped up by the Deep State, I didn’t say he was their only choice. The Deep State has been exceedingly happy with both the D and R candidate for president since rough 1988 until Trump in 2016; this is about propping up all of their guys.

    Seriously, if you’re going to keep denying that Gay No Accomplishments Pete isn’t Deep State, I have a bridge to sell you, along with some swampland.

  250. @Bill P
    Sort of OT, but I was wondering whether anyone else noticed how Pete Buttgeigh's voice is a dead ringer for Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

    I googled it and naturally I found others who heard it as well.

    I wonder whether it's deliberate on a subconscious level, or just a crazy, weird coincidence:

    https://youtu.be/46-WNPlCYsg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @HammerJack, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @petit bourgeois, @Yngvar

    It’s funny or strange how Patrick Bateman goes on about how the use of Jarlsberg cheese makes him a part of the connoisseurs class. In Norway Jarlsberg is an every-day cheese for sandwiches and such. Nothing special.

    By the way, Jarlsberg cheese for the export market is now made in Ireland. EU directives dictate how we do things like this.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Yngvar

    Jarlsberg is nothing special here either. I think that was part of the point - that he wasn't a REAL connoisseur, just someone who thought he was. Anyway that was 20 years ago, Nowadays you can get more sophisticated cheeses than Jarlsberg in any supermarket .

    As for making the stuff in Ireland, I think this just started and was related to some phase out of farm subsidies in Norway that would have made it uneconomical to export the stuff. BTW, they license the name "Jarlsberg Lite" and it is made right here in the USA. Compared to Jarlsberg Lite, real Jarlsberg is Tingvollost - the stuff comes in unnatural square slices like they run it off on a printing press and has the texture of rubber due to the lack of fat. And Jarlsberg Lite doesn't even plumb the depth of bad American cheese - there are seven circles of hell and Jarlsberg Lite is only maybe at level 3. (America also makes some very nice cheese too).

  251. @Yngvar
    @Bill P

    It's funny or strange how Patrick Bateman goes on about how the use of Jarlsberg cheese makes him a part of the connoisseurs class. In Norway Jarlsberg is an every-day cheese for sandwiches and such. Nothing special.

    By the way, Jarlsberg cheese for the export market is now made in Ireland. EU directives dictate how we do things like this.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Jarlsberg is nothing special here either. I think that was part of the point – that he wasn’t a REAL connoisseur, just someone who thought he was. Anyway that was 20 years ago, Nowadays you can get more sophisticated cheeses than Jarlsberg in any supermarket .

    As for making the stuff in Ireland, I think this just started and was related to some phase out of farm subsidies in Norway that would have made it uneconomical to export the stuff. BTW, they license the name “Jarlsberg Lite” and it is made right here in the USA. Compared to Jarlsberg Lite, real Jarlsberg is Tingvollost – the stuff comes in unnatural square slices like they run it off on a printing press and has the texture of rubber due to the lack of fat. And Jarlsberg Lite doesn’t even plumb the depth of bad American cheese – there are seven circles of hell and Jarlsberg Lite is only maybe at level 3. (America also makes some very nice cheese too).

  252. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    You’re right. They are old stock Americans. Unfortunately.

  253. @Neuday
    @Altai

    The Catholic understanding of "living wage" was enough of a wage for a man to support a wife and children. So very many of our problems were created by the elites denying us that wage, immigration being a primary tool, feminism anothet. Thanks, jews!

    Replies: @Alden

    Rerum novarum 1891 Pope Leo “ On the responsibilities and duties of capital and labor”

  254. @Desiderius
    @Ed

    The Orthodox (the ones having the children and practicing the actual religion) support Trump 95% to 5%.

    Replies: @Ed, @Alden

    Not the ones in Los Angels. The Chabad Orthodox voting precincts went democrat all the way.

  255. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    @Jack D

    I think "Old Stock Americans" means white people whose families have been here for a long time. But I certainly take your point and I think it's accurate to say that American Blacks who trace their ancestors to American slaves have been here longer than most White people. The Black slaves stopped coming early in the 19th century while white people continued to come in large numbers up to WWI. As long time residents of this country Blacks deserve to have their interests considered when we make decisions.

    But Black leaders, just like White leaders, have allowed the demographics of our country to become radically changed since the 1970s. I guess they though they'd do better if there were more nonwhites here. Obviously that has not happened. Instead they get to compete in and lose countless battles for housing, jobs and other resources with newcomers, including new black immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa.

    It is a terrible twist of fate that mass migration started happening shortly after the big Civil Rights bills of the 1960s got passed. A lot of help that could have gone to bring blacks up went to paying the bills for new immigrants. It's not fair. And yet Black leaders keep banging the drum for more immigration. Will they never learn?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Black Leaders” are not capable of intellectual agency. They are put in power externally and are chosen for pliancy. Occasionally one wanders off heading like Hymietown Jackson, but is immediately corrected and falls into place.

    The black underclass and the black earned-gibs class- affirmative action government and corporate employees- do not “choose their own leaders”. They accept the leadership chosen for them by the media.

    The average white is dumb and sheepish enough, and is herdable, but blacks are even dumber than that. Actual black dissenters with some intelligence are effectively marginalized.

    Blacks will vote as their Big Man says and their Big Man will tell them what his handlers want him to. A statistically insignificant number of blacks will do differently. To analyze black thinking any farther than that is a sinkhole of time and effort.

    When it does not matter the Big Men will be instructed to let them vote any way they want or to hint voting GOP or for a reform or crank candidate in the Dem primary would be okay so maybe thirty percent of blacks will wander off course and the cucks will have some ammo to bleat about how blacks can be appealed to yadda yadda. When it makes a difference the black vote is a dead sure thing. They knows how they is supposed to vote. And they do.

  256. @danand

    "And we are not going to be able to succeed in the world if we do not invite everyone to be part of our economy, strike that, I meant to say part of our education system."
     
    Doing the jobs we refuse to do:

    https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg

    Replies: @bomag, @Anon, @JeremiahJohnbalaya, @Joe Schmoe

    Obviously, this is a pretty sweet girl, and that is exactly the face the elites want to put on immigrants. She is hardly the type of good citizen anyone wants to keep out. Duh, but we aren’t just getting 2,000 sweet teachers each year. We are getting over a million total losers, plus a few nice people like her. No one is complaining that we are getting a few thousand nice people per year. We are complaining that we are getting millions of welfare folks who will never contribute what they cost and who are filing prisons after they abuse the public.

    Build the wall. Deport illegals and any that are on public assistance.

  257. @Scott in PA
    And immigration will be implemented according to quotas, as most things are today (college admissions, job hiring, promotions, prosecutions, jail sentences, etc. etc.)

    So in due time America will eventually be mostly African, Arab, Chinese, and Indian.

    And it will have long ceased to be a functioning nation state.

    I think it ceased c. 2001.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    So in due time America will eventually be mostly African, Arab, Chinese, and Indian.

    0ooooh, wheeeee, is that going to be a real love fest

  258. @Anonymous
    @istevefan


    Many of the same people who crafted and/or ratified the Constitution were also involved in the Naturalization Act of 1790, including Mr. Founding Father George Washington.
     
    Many of them, including George Washington, also owned slaves. And the Constitution explicitly had several pro-slavery clauses that protected slavery and promoted slave ownership. But that didn't stop slavery from eventually ending. That's because the philosophy of liberalism and individual rights that informed the development of the Constitution baked in a leftward trajectory to the country that meant inconsistencies such as slavery or exclusionary restrictions would tend to be resolved in ways that favored liberal or leftist results.

    John Quincy Adams, who was a former President and whose father John Adams was also a former President and a Founding Father that had helped draft the Declaration of Independence, cited the Declaration to defend a group of captive Africans during the Amistad case. The Supreme Court ruled 7-1 in favor of the captive Africans. Adams argued that the principles upon which the Declaration of Independence was based also applied to some random Africans. Moreover, he said that the President of the United States would be a tyrant like George III whom the Founders rebelled against if the President were allowed to violate the freedom of these random Africans and that the liberty of American citizens would be in jeopardy. In other words, if these random Africans are not free, then Americans are not free, and presumably no one else is either. This same philosophy is behind the expansion of citizenship and the franchise and various rights.

    The liberal philosophy behind the Constitution is the problem.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The liberal philosophy behind the Constitution is the problem.”

    Which had served as the justifying force for the Founders to free themselves from the tyranny of the British Crown.

    Are you even aware of your profoundly ignorant statement?

    “This same philosophy is behind the expansion of citizenship and the franchise and various rights.”

    Exactly! The Founders were influenced by Enlightenment thinkers, which enabled human kind to break free from the shackles of oppression.

  259. @Jack D
    @Joseph Doaks

    People here are constantly blabbing about Old Stock Americans. Aren't blacks Old Stock Americans par excellence? Most of their ancestors arrived before 1808. Whatever our problems with black people (and there are plenty), they (mostly) have nothing to do with immigration or at least not any immigration during the last 200 years.

    Replies: @Ed, @Bardon Kaldian, @istevefan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @notsaying, @Alden, @ben tillman

    Suppose your right. So what? The vast majority of non-whites in this country are non-blacks brought her for no reason other than to take what belongs to us.

  260. @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don't want or need husbands or to stay home with kids. How will they meet and have kids with an Alpha male?

    Kloubuchar is a woman. Wow big surprise she's wholly for open borders, unlimited welfare, instant welfare, and so on. Starting with the widespread availability of contraception (cheap, easy, fast) White women decisively turned against White men. They don't think of themselves as White, rather as the girlfriends, wives, mistresses, and future mothers of non-White rulers. Think Barack Obama, and the millions of married White women confessing their sexual fantasies involving the man.

    [Africans alone are immune to the baby strikes seen in every place where women are urbanized and have access to cheap and easy and fast contraception. Algeria, Tunisia, IRAN, all have below replacement rate TFRs as does Japan and now even China. Duh, sexy men: best singers, fighters, dancers, low paternal investment aka zero, low natural iqs, low deferred gratification aka instant chaotic violence. Beta male provision is useless in a highly urbanized environment, let alone one with a welfare state. It is no accident as the Marxists say that any place electing lots of women as their leaders are pozzed up the Mayor Pete Buttgig, and endorsing open borders and instant welfare]

    Couple White women no longer needing to tolerate White Beta males with the New Class of hereditary "managers" in NGOs, Government, Media, Infotainment, Academia (which has exploded in size post WWII) and yes you get the feminist utopia: Brazil, South Africa, Haiti, etc.

    White women have been pissed off at us White men for a long long time: see this article from Bullshido.net on Marital Combat. The man was in a pit up to his waist and the woman had stones in some cloth sling. Things were OK when your average White man was a-Viking or fighting off Muslims or Huns. Not so when he was a fisherman or farming peasant. White women do not have the toleration for beta that Asian women from China or Japan have -- and it shows in our society and politics and mass third world immigration.

    You can see this in who converts to Islam in the West. Mostly White women -- being the harem girl of some big shot no matter how repulsive is a better deal than all of an ordinary White man. Meanwhile almost no White men convert as Muslims being non-White are not eager to share the limited harems of women with White men for whom they have a long established contempt as being rule-following, orderly, intelligent, nerdy losers whose women openly despise them.

    Democrats are the party of Gays, Nice White Ladies like Kloubachar, and the hereditary class of Managers plus non-Whites. They will ALWAYS want mass third world immigration and open borders and WAR on White beta males, its who they are. Given that Demographics removes 26 electoral votes from Republican states to massively Democratic states, in 2024 ANY Democrat can win with Illinois, California, and New York. Thus the massive failure of the Sailer Strategy.

    We are going to have open borders, unlimited welfare, and open warfare on White men. We need a strategy of FEAR involving lawfare, protests, spilling of secrets, and lots and lots of lawsuits on our enemies who are legion and relentless but are subject to financial attrition like everyone else.

    A good start would be digging into whatever nasty secrets there are regarding Kloubuchar. She's a woman and politician, so the chances of her being a more upscale version of Katie Hill are close to 98%. Punish her by revealing every nasty bribe, violation of ethics codes, and so on and the message will be received loud and clear.

    Freeze the target, personalize it, subject it to ridicule.

    Replies: @Carolingian Leprechaun, @ben tillman

    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don’t want or need husbands or to stay home with kids.

    Sorry, Whiskey. Women *do* want to stay home with the kids.

    • Replies: @anon
    @ben tillman

    Women *do* want to stay home with the kids.

    Cite required, and not just "oh, my wife's sister says".

    Actions speak loudly. In my world, there are women who want to stay home with their children, and they do that. They don't just whine on Facebook, they do that job. There are other women who whine on Facebook about how busy they are and how they don't have enough hours in the day and they would just love to stay home with the kids but...but...but...

    Talk is cheap.

    The average US woman doesn't get married until she's 27, and probably pushes out her first child at 30 or older. Actions speak louder than talk.

    Whiskey is a black-pilled, whiney, passive-aggressive man who is afraid of girls, but that doesn't mean all of his facts are wrong. The truth or falsity of a proposition does not depend on who says it, that's elementary logic.

  261. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @Whiskey


    No offense, but there is so much wrong here in a boomer-esque fashion. Women liberated from their reproductive cycle, save African women, don’t want or need husbands or to stay home with kids.
     
    Sorry, Whiskey. Women *do* want to stay home with the kids.

    Replies: @anon

    Women *do* want to stay home with the kids.

    Cite required, and not just “oh, my wife’s sister says”.

    Actions speak loudly. In my world, there are women who want to stay home with their children, and they do that. They don’t just whine on Facebook, they do that job. There are other women who whine on Facebook about how busy they are and how they don’t have enough hours in the day and they would just love to stay home with the kids but…but…but…

    Talk is cheap.

    The average US woman doesn’t get married until she’s 27, and probably pushes out her first child at 30 or older. Actions speak louder than talk.

    Whiskey is a black-pilled, whiney, passive-aggressive man who is afraid of girls, but that doesn’t mean all of his facts are wrong. The truth or falsity of a proposition does not depend on who says it, that’s elementary logic.

  262. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    @anon

    I try to work from memory it’s good brain exercise. You probably should use Google more yourself instead of being needlessly snarky with an anon handle.

    Sure the Duma wasn’t effective and failed to curb Nicholas’s autocracy but it was still a concession nonetheless.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma_(Russian_Empire)?wprov=sfti1


    Coming under pressure from the Russian Revolution of 1905, on August 6, 1905 (O.S.), Sergei Witte (appointed by Nicholas II to manage peace negotiations with Japan after the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905) issued a manifesto about the convocation of the Duma, initially thought to be a purely advisory body, the so-called Bulygin-Duma. In the subsequent October Manifesto, the Tsar promised to introduce further civil liberties, provide for broad participation in a new "State Duma", and endow the Duma with legislative and oversight powers. The State Duma was to be the lower house of a parliament, and the State Council of Imperial Russia the upper house.

    Replies: @anon

    I try to work from memory it’s good brain exercise.

    Then you should have remembered the Decembrist revolt of the 1820’s and the assassination of Alexander II in the 1880’s, plus the suicide bombing campaign of the SR’s in the late 19th and early 20th century – which failed to produce the desired results. The Social Democrats could then say something like ‘We told you so”. Then you could reflect from memory on the differences between the Russian Army circa 1905 and the Russian Army circa 1916 in terms of personnel. Since personnel is policy, putting urban machine-users who tended to be political radicals in charge of machine guns in the Army turned out to be a gift to the Reds. That would have hopefully prevented you from writing dumb stuff about the Bolsheviks – who were not a majority – and by implication the Minsheviks – who actually were the majority. Know what I mean?

    You probably should use Google more yourself instead of being needlessly snarky with an anon handle.

    Ok, Boomer! Sorry it’s not 1968 anymore!

    Say, could you explain the point you are trying to make by referring to a revo from 100+ years ago?

  263. @res
    @Reg Cæsar

    If you want to look at average state SAT scores you also need to look at participation rates. This 2016 link gives a good overview of average scores and participation rates for both the SAT and ACT by state:
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-and-act-scores-by-stated-adjusted-for-participation-rate

    Montana is mainly an ACT state. In 2016 100% took the ACT, but only 18% took the SAT.

    These detailed reports are useful for looking at individual states more closely:
    https://reports.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-program-results/state-results

    Replies: @res

    What exactly do you disagree with, Houston 1992? I am genuinely curious, and a disagree flag really doesn’t help much there.

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