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An 0ld question, one that fascinated Rudyard Kipling in his cautionary fable about nation-building via land war in Asia, “The Man Who Would Be King,” that has come up again recently is: Are Afghans white?

At the moment in the U.S., Afghans are not eligible for affirmative action, being classified by the Office of Management and Budget as one of the white peoples of Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East; in contrast, their cousins from just east of the Khyber Pass in Pakistan, are officially Asians and thus eligible for racial preferences on government contracts and low interest Small Business Administration minority development loans.

In January 2017, the lame duck Obama Administration tried to start the process of rectifying this grave injustice that there are Third World immigrants who aren’t legally privileged over white Americans by creating the Middle Eastern and North African race category. But the Trump Administration couldn’t see why they would want to do that, so they let the Obama plan lapse.

I’m not aware of whether the Biden Administration has revived the Obama Administration’s plan. Probably somebody should ask Ol’ Joe about whether they will become eligible for affirmative action before inviting in all these Afghans.

Strikingly, the question of how white are the various peoples of Afghanistan comes up repeatedly in Rudyard Kipling’s famous short (but longish) story that he wrote when he was 22 in 1888, “The Man Who Would Be King.”

Ex-British Army sergeants turned Gentlemen At Large Daniel Dravot (Sean Connery in the 1975 movie) and Peachey Carnehan (Michael Caine) inform Kipling (Christopher Plummer) that they …

… “have decided that India isn’t big enough for such as us. … The country isn’t half worked out because they that governs it won’t let you touch it. They spend all their blessed time in governing it, and you can’t lift a spade, nor chip a rock, nor look for oil, nor anything like that without all the Government saying — ‘Leave it alone and let us govern.’ Therefore, such as it is, we will let it alone, and go away to some other place where a man isn’t crowded and can come to his own. We are not little men, and there is nothing that we are afraid of except Drink, and we have signed a Contrack on that. Therefore, we are going away to be Kings.” …

“Neither drunk nor sunstruck,” said Dravot. … “We have decided that there is only one place now in the world that two strong men can Sar-a-whack.

A reference to the White Rajah of Sarawak, adventurer James Brooke, who founded a kingdom on the coast of Borneo which he and his descendants ruled from 1841-1946.

They call it Kafiristan. By my reckoning its the top right-hand corner of Afghanistan, not more than three hundred miles from Peshawar. They have two and thirty heathen idols there, and we’ll be the thirty-third.

Kafiristan (“land of the infidels”) was a pagan country practicing animistic Old Hinduism until the Emir of Kabul invaded it in 1896, eight years after Kipling wrote, and told the men they could be put to the sword or the knife. Most chose circumcision and conversion to Islam. Kafiristan is now known as Nuristan (“land of the enlightened”).

Some Red Kafirs, though, escaped over the Hindu Kush and settled near their cousins, the Black Kafirs of the famously genetically isolated Kalash. Here’s a 1935 article in Nature:

Red Kafirs of Nuristan

Abstract
… The Red Kafirs, so-called to distinguish them from the Black Kafirs, whom some ethnologists regard as having negro affiliations, are sometimes credited with an origin which legend traces to Arabia, while on another view it has been suggested that they are descendants of the soldiers of Alexander. The most probable theory is that both racially and culturally they preserve a strain of the same stock as the Aryan invaders of India. Although they have been converted to Islam, they retain a number of pagan customs, in which some would see traces of ancient Greece, It is probable, however, that the resemblance is no more than generic, and that the strange customs reported of them are a debased survival of beliefs of the primitive Arya. Thus it is said that although they believe in one chief god, they also recognise forty or fifty other deities, to whom sacrifices are offered on high places, while the dead are placed in sacred groves. One of the most interesting features of their customs is a song and dance ritual in connexion with a central altar. Dead heroes are commemorated by wooden equestrian statues, which are sometimes accompanied by figures of an attendant and the hero’s wives seated behind on chairs. The general character of these statues and their technique have been made the basis of a suggested connexion with the statues of Easter Island, and thought to point to one possible source of the ‘Aryan’ strain which some would see in Polynesia.

Old time anthropology was full of both romantic (sons of Alexander) and wild speculations (maybe they are related to the Polynesians of Easter Island!), but ultimately tended toward the genetically correct: yeah, the Red Kafirs are probably Aryans.

The people there are indeed whiter than most in Afghanistan.

For example, here is senior Afghan politician Ahmad Yusuf Nuristani, who was convicted in California in 2019 of defrauding the US government of over \$100k in Social Security benefits.

If you told me he was the Moldovan ambassador, I’d believe you.

“It’s a mountainous country, and the women of those parts are very beautiful.”

My impression from looking at the handful of online photos of Nuristanis is that the light-eyed girls are promising of growing up to be beauties, but their harsh lives tend to dim their luster.

“But that is provided against in the Contrack,” said Carnehan. “Neither Women nor Liquor, Daniel.”

“And that’s all we know, except that no one has gone there, and they fight, and in any place where they fight a man who knows how to drill men can always be a King. We shall go to those parts and say to any King we find — ‘D’ you want to vanquish your foes?’ and we will show him how to drill men; for that we know better than anything else. Then we will subvert that King and seize his Throne and establish a Dy-nasty.”

The only thing wrong with Kipling’s short story is that at 14,400 words, it should be ten times longer to fully flesh out his epic plot. Kipling was so creative that he had a hard time sitting still to write novels.

The screenplay by John Huston and his Oscar-nominated secretary Gladys Hill enlarges upon young Kipling’s theme, borrowing some lines from other Kipling stories and making up new one. For example, as far as I can tell, this speech is the work of Huston and Hill:

Here are excerpts touching on the racial theme:

… “Dan, they’re an all-fired lot of heathens, but this book here says they think they’re related to us English.”

… “Then ten men with bows and arrows ran down that valley, chasing twenty men with bows and arrows, and the row was tremenjus. They was fair men — fairer than you or me — with yellow hair and remarkable well built. Says Dravot, unpacking the guns — ‘This is the beginning of the business. We’ll fight for the ten men,’ and with that he fires two rifles at the twenty men and drops one of them at two hundred yards from the rock where we was sitting.

‘Now what is the trouble between you two villages?’ and the people points to a woman, as fair as you or me, that was carried off, and Dravot takes her back to the first village and counts up the dead — eight there was. For each dead man Dravot pours a little milk on the ground and waves his arms like a whirligig and, ‘That’s all right,’ says he. …

“At the levee which was held that night on the hillside with big bonfires, Dravot gives out that him and me were gods and sons of Alexander, and Past Grand-Masters in the Craft,

Kipling served as the secretary of the multicultural Masonic lodge in Lahore, so the Kafiristanis are Masons too.

and was come to make Kafiristan a country where every man should eat in peace and drink in quiet, and specially obey us. Then the Chiefs come round to shake hands, and they was so hairy and white and fair it was just shaking hands with old friends.” …

… n‘By virtue of the authority vested in me by my own right hand and the help of Peachey, I declare myself Grand-Master of all Freemasonry in Kafiristan in this the Mother Lodge o’ the country, and King of Kafiristan equally with Peachey!’ At that he puts on his crown and I puts on mine — I was doing Senior Warden — and we opens the Lodge in most ample form.

… Then he asks them about their villages, and learns that they was fighting one against the other and were fair sick and tired of it. And when they wasn’t doing that they was fighting with the Mohammedans. ‘You can fight those when they come into our country,’ says Dravot. ‘Tell off every tenth man of your tribes for a Frontier guard, and send two hundred at a time to this valley to be drilled. Nobody is going to be shot or speared any more so long as he does well, and I know that you won’t cheat me because you’re white people — sons of Alexander — and not like common, black Mohammedans. You are my people and by God,’ says he, running off into English at the end — ‘I’ll make a damned fine Nation of you, or I’ll die in the making!’

“My work was to help the people plough, and now and again to go out with some of the Army and see what the other villages were doing, and make ’em throw rope-bridges across the ravines which cut up the country horrid.

In Kipling’s story, Peachey is very much the junior partner to Daniel:

Dravot was very kind to me, but when he walked up and down in the pine wood pulling that bloody red beard of his with both fists I knew he was thinking plans I could not advise him about, and I just waited for orders.

In Huston’s movie, however, Caine is more the cynical brains of the operation, while Connery is dumber but more great-hearted. One of the oldest tricks in the movie-writing book, which nobody knew better than John Huston, is to make your hero sympathetic by making him not quite smart enough for the predicament he is in. (By the way, this reminds me of how weird is the conventional wisdom that if people ever admitted Charles Murray was right about IQ that the public would then immediately hate blacks viciously. Having seen a number of movies during my lifetime, I’d like to point out that that’s not actually how humans react.)

Apparently, some critics at the time objected to Caine’s performance, although the last time I saw the movie, I thought it was even better than Connery’s, which is high praise indeed.

“But Dravot never showed me disrespect before the people. They were afraid of me and the Army, but they loved Dan. He was the best of friends with the priests and the Chiefs; but any one could come across the hills with a complaint and Dravot would hear him out fair, and call four priests together and say what was to be done. …

“‘I won’t make a Nation,’ says he. ‘I’ll make an Empire! These men aren’t n——; they’re English! Look at their eyes — look at their mouths. Look at the way they stand up. They sit on chairs in their own houses. They’re the Lost Tribes, or something like it, and they’ve grown to be English. I’ll take a census in the spring if the priests don’t get frightened. There must be a fair two million of ’em in these hills. The villages are full o’ little children. Two million people — two hundred and fifty thousand fighting men — and all English! They only want the rifles and a little drilling. Two hundred and fifty thousand men, ready to cut in on Russia’s right flank when she tries for India! Peachey, man,’ he says, chewing his beard in great hunks, ‘we shall be Emperors — Emperors of the Earth! Rajah Brooke will be a suckling to us. I’ll treat with the Viceroy on equal terms. … When everything was ship-shape, I’d hand over the crown — this crown I’m wearing now — to Queen Victoria on my knees, and she’d say:— “Rise up, Sir Daniel Dravot.”…

“‘There’s another thing too,’ says Dravot, walking up and down. ‘The winter’s coming and these people won’t be giving much trouble, and if they do we can’t move about. I want a wife.’

“‘For Gord’s sake leave the women alone!’ I says. ‘We’ve both got all the work we can, though I am a fool. Remember the Contrack, and keep clear o’ women.’

“‘The Contrack only lasted till such time as we was Kings; and Kings we have been these months past,’ says Dravot, weighing his crown in his hand. ‘You go get a wife too, Peachey — a nice, strappin’, plump girl that’ll keep you warm in the winter. They’re prettier than English girls, and we can take the pick of ’em. Boil ’em once or twice in hot water, and they’ll come as fair as chicken and ham.’

‘These women are whiter than you or me, and a Queen I will have for the winter months.’

But [spoiler alert] … despite the evident whiteness of the Kafiris, nation-building doesn’t quite work out for Daniel and Peachey.

My recollection from Huston’s autobiography was that even in the good old days of 1973 it was impractical to shoot a movie in Afghanistan. But, he liked the racial irony of the story, so he arranged to have it shot in a part of Turkey that is highly Caucasian so he could obtain extras who looked right. But that fell through, so he wound up in Morocco where the locals are more swarthy.

Huston had been intending to cast as Daniel’s intended bride (felicitously named “Roxanne” in the movie) the daughter of Roald Dahl and Patricia Neal’s, Tessa Neal, but at the last moment he decided she was too ultra-European looking to fit in with where his movie was headed. So he wound up asking Sir Michael’s wife Shakira, an Indian-descended Muslim from Guyana, to play Roxanne. Lady Caine can’t act, but John Huston had a few tricks up his sleeve to help her through her role.

Anyway, Kipling’s take on racial nature and nurture couldn’t be accommodated in the movie, but it remains relevant.

Ridley Scott had The Clash’s Joe Strummer, whose father was born in Peshawar, sing the original lyrics of the theme song from Man Who Would Be King in his Black Hawk Down:

 
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  1. They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.

    • Agree: Trinity, Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Adamant

    I have a "friend(+-) who is a yellow dog Democrat. Whenever he wants to disparage my pro-Trump/DeSantis leanings, he brings up Qanon and the Shaman q-actor and accuses me of supporting them. This, to him, is proof that he is correct and I am hopelessly right.

    Whenever a simple-minded, hopelessly insecure member of one of the Teutonic or Scandinavian clans seeks to establish his self-worth without doing any work, he accuses non-Teutonic/Scandinavians of insufficient whiteness. I prefer to evaluate the individual and it is permissible to notice group differences.

    According to Ms. Adamant, I am not white, but I think the odds are about 100 to 1 that I am more intelligent and skilled than her.

    Afghans are stuck in the Stone Age. Or maybe the Bronze Age. I wonder how many human sacrifices Germanic or Celtic tribes practised when they were at a similar stage of development. I know one of my ethnic heritages was accused of that, but that was about 4,00 years ago.

    I think Ms. Adamant would be better served by earning some self-respect through hard work and self-examination.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Adamant

    Just because their culture sucks doesn’t mean they aren’t white. Change their clothes, give them a shave, and drop them off in a random city or suburb anywhere in the US outside of the fairly Germanic upper Midwest and plains states and most of them will be regarded as white if they don’t open their mouth and start talking.

    Europeans are generally lighter complected than Americans and more aware of small differences so perceptions may be different there.

    Note: this doesn’t mean they should be dropped off here. Their culture still sucks. Most gypsies also look white to me, but I don’t want them around.

  2. They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Kuru

    Coincidentally enough, I just read this story about the endless benefits of diversity in NYC, and frankly my head is spinning. Here's the whitest person in the case (including the judge) and he even has a white guy name.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Jacob-Milton-YouTube-screenshot-courtesy-of-Academy-for-Cultural-Diplomacy-768x490.jpg

    Convicted conman who served time for grand larceny successfully sues his victims for $12M and wins

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/convicted-conman-who-served-time-for-grand-larceny-successfully-sues-his-victims-for-12m-and-wins/

    Another mortgage broker up to the usual shenanigans. He sued the Alvarez family for complaining about his con job and getting him sent to prison for it. But of course! Who wants to go to prison?

    Replies: @CCG

    , @El Dato
    @Kuru

    I is sad that you have to go to Hollywood to find quality, err... correctly-looking humans these days.

    Here is an upper-class Afghan family about to relocate.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3JXK1HNh/Meanwhile-in-the-Universe-of-Lynch-s-Dune.png

    Are there any books on Afghanistan about the days before Islam meme-infected everything to the south-east of Constantinople?

    , @Dmon
    @Kuru

    Looks like the DHS is right - rural Whites are the real threat.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Kuru

    Taliban are winning meme war. That’s Peachey’s great grandson though. Or flashy’s bastard. Got to be English.

    , @3g4me
    @Kuru

    @2 Kuru: Mods won't le me like or LOL, but my God how perceptive. The Taliban are rising in my estimation (please note this does not mean I want them as neighbors).

    , @Currahee
    @Kuru

    Ho, ho, ho. Who won?

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Kuru

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3fFY26tBpE

    , @Not Raul
    @Kuru

    Is Real Taliban News really from the Taliban, or is some guy just larping for his own amusement?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Elsewhere
    @Kuru

    If you watch Bardon Kaldian's video at 8:57, you see that the man pictured in the meme is Nuristani, which is the most white-looking of Afghanistan's ethnic groups, as mentioned in the OP.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Kuru

    I imagine Google's Pashto translation is still a bit sketchy regarding context - probably "pure" is a better translation than "clean".

  3. I had to skip over the 2nd part of this post, as it was “spoiling” the movie, of which I haven’t watched the 2nd half.

    As for whether these new additions to melting crock pot, USA get Affirmative Action or not, perhaps one could consider whether it’s been right to have had forced discrimination via Government edict against the ACTUAL White man for 60 years. If you have any belief in justice and rule of law, you ought to know it’s been wrong, and it IS wrong.

    I did really appreciate that paragraph from 1935 Nature magazine. For people under 40 especially, it’s got to be weird to realize there was a time when one could write (and speak, for that matter) about whatever he wanted without a constant effort to be careful and apologetic when appropriate. That makes me think about the movie. I got it, Steve. It’s a good movie. Let me finish. ;-}

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "...crock chamber pot..."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @ChrisZ
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I can’t believe YOU of all people haven’t seen “Man Who Would Be King.” I’d have thought it would be on the Peak Stupidity syllabus.

    In the words of the great statesman of our age: “C’mon, Man!”

    , @Wokechoke
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I liked Billy Fish. Ayo Gurhkali!

    , @Wokechoke
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Billy Fish is a great man though. Love that character. “Cut their bloody balls off!” That little guy has your back. I think that’s why these silly British officers in Parliament got upset. They’ve all encountered a solid sidekick in the region.

  4. Pashto is an Indo-European language and Pashtun males are predominately comprised of men with Y-haplogroup R1a1.

    • Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Cue chime for racists jumping into the fray to urgently hype the importance of, ehem, culture, over genetics:

    5..4..3..2...

    Replies: @WigWig

  5. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    Coincidentally enough, I just read this story about the endless benefits of diversity in NYC, and frankly my head is spinning. Here’s the whitest person in the case (including the judge) and he even has a white guy name.

    Convicted conman who served time for grand larceny successfully sues his victims for \$12M and wins

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/convicted-conman-who-served-time-for-grand-larceny-successfully-sues-his-victims-for-12m-and-wins/

    Another mortgage broker up to the usual shenanigans. He sued the Alvarez family for complaining about his con job and getting him sent to prison for it. But of course! Who wants to go to prison?

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Polistra

    His British name and his physical appearance makes me conclude that he's a Christian from South Asia.

  6. I couldn’t find any pics of Afghans to make the point, but the Trumpian comment that the Mexicans aren’t sending their best is a good analogue.

    • Thanks: Mr. Grey, Travis
  7. Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)

    • Replies: @Flip
    @WigWig


    Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)
     
    The Welsh tend to be darker.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Ancient Briton
    @WigWig

    Wasn’t he Welsh? (Just kidding).

  8. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Pashto is an Indo-European language and Pashtun males are predominately comprised of men with Y-haplogroup R1a1.

    Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Cue chime for racists jumping into the fray to urgently hype the importance of, ehem, culture, over genetics:

    5..4..3..2…

    • Replies: @WigWig
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    You are wrong. A haplogroup tells you little about the overall genetic similarity of populations. There's a big pocket of R1b in Chad, does that mean that Chadians are white?

  9. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a small remaining outpost of the original government in Peshewar. Not that far from Kafiristan. It is essentially Tajik and the sole remaining outpost of what was once the Northern Alliance.

    Being cynical, I would think the US will figure a way to trade it for getting its hosta…people out of Kabul. But probably the Taliban figures they have things in control anyhow.

    Still surprised we screwed up the exit so badly. Not surprised that it was tricky. Or that life will suck for Afghans who remain. But surprised that (given how fucking crushingly obvious it was that things might get sticky) that we did such a poor job of planning how to jack our people out of there before leaving the Afghans holding the bag. At least attempted it better, war gamed it more, whatever. Listening to people bleat about “couldn’t be predicted” makes me want to haze me some generals and politicians. Pushups until the arms fail…and then a run…and just fucking wear them down…soft pussies.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous

    Why are you assuming that all this was a mistake?
    Leaving one's guns unspiked?

    The Hajjis have just acquired (e.g.) about a dozen shiny Blackhawks. ISI groundcrews from over the eastern border could probably maintain them long enough to avoid any subsequent illiterate goatherd/computerised whirlybird hilarity. Five minutes with a few gallons of gas would have sorted it, if it wasn't deliberate.

    Some people in a position to direct things, both to the west of the country and further east, are going to do rather well out of it, I expect.

  10. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    I is sad that you have to go to Hollywood to find quality, err… correctly-looking humans these days.

    Here is an upper-class Afghan family about to relocate.

    Are there any books on Afghanistan about the days before Islam meme-infected everything to the south-east of Constantinople?

  11. Of course Afghans are NOT White. Not even close.
    White people are strictly descended from Christian Europeans. That’s it. Jews aren’t White either. Jews are, in fact, the deadly enemies of Whites.
    We should never have been in Afghanistan to begin with. They had nothing to do with 9/11. That was an inside job in partnership with the Mossad.
    Afghans are primitive third-world savages, and there is no way we could ever have achieved ANY of our alleged goals in that hellhole. Nor should we have even tried.
    We have invaded and destroyed country after country at the behest of our traitorous neoCon Deep State. It has all been a disaster based on Leftist lies and false assumptions; all of which have been embraced by a cowardly Republican establishment.
    We should NOT welcome ANY Afghan refugees into the U.S. We have too many hostile, third-world savages as it is. Instead of welcoming more of these scum, we need to be expelling as many third-world enemies as possible; especially those from Africa, Asian and Mexico. They are destroying this country and have been weaponized by a hostile, neoCon Deep State.
    The war we need to fight is at home. All these insane wars have to stop. ALL of our soldiers need to come home.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Ashkenazi Jews have DNA that's very similar to Italians. If Italians are white, Jews are white. Keep in mind there are hundreds of ethnicities and nationalities but very few races....basically white, black and Asian. Jews are far closer to white than the other two, more so than Afghans who are on the border of being Asian.

    Replies: @Travis, @ATBOTL

  12. White. Yes. Billionaire globalist and Democratic Party cognitive dissonance resolved.

    See what happens when White Supremacists win? /smirk

  13. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had to skip over the 2nd part of this post, as it was "spoiling" the movie, of which I haven't watched the 2nd half.

    As for whether these new additions to melting crock pot, USA get Affirmative Action or not, perhaps one could consider whether it's been right to have had forced discrimination via Government edict against the ACTUAL White man for 60 years. If you have any belief in justice and rule of law, you ought to know it's been wrong, and it IS wrong.

    I did really appreciate that paragraph from 1935 Nature magazine. For people under 40 especially, it's got to be weird to realize there was a time when one could write (and speak, for that matter) about whatever he wanted without a constant effort to be careful and apologetic when appropriate. That makes me think about the movie. I got it, Steve. It's a good movie. Let me finish. ;-}

    Replies: @Coemgen, @ChrisZ, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    “…crock chamber pot…”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Coemgen

    Thank you, Coemgen, much better. I don't know what I was thinking of.

  14. They’re telling us that refugees must be allowed out of Afghanistan because they’re fleeing from unbearable conditions.

    We heard this before in 2015 with the so-called Syrian refugees. But Damascus three years later looked like a cosmopolitan city.

  15. Yall ever read Eric Newby’s A Short Walk in the Hindu Kush? Delightful travel book about driving from England to Nuristan in the 50s to climb Mir Samir, pretty sure it quotes from that same article.

  16. Looks like we found that 10th planet. Maybe the Wokel Defense (sic) lobbyist SecDefs should have clued us in. See also Fast and Furious.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Desiderius

    I hope Taliban are moving the usable stuff out by the truckload now. China has probably a skyhook helicopter there for heavy lifting.

    Today: Biden mulling Afghanistan AIRSTRIKES to destroy US military equipment abandoned to Taliban, but only after evacuations – reports

    Earlier ithis month: Aug 7: US sends B-52 bombers to Afghanistan in bid to stop Taliban offensive, as strategic city of Kunduz sees militants entering


    The strikes inflicted heavy losses on the militants, the official claimed, with over 200 fighters killed, and more than 100 vehicles destroyed. A large cache of weaponry of ammunition was destroyed as well. No footage to corroborate the Afghan government claims about Taliban's heavy losses, however, has emerged so far. The Cold War-era heavy aircraft were also supported by AC-130 Specter gunships, US media reported.

     

    Ghengis Khan more like Ghengis Kangz

    https://i.postimg.cc/Yqmw233D/chilling-in-da-base.png
    , @Currahee
    @Desiderius

    Great revenue enhancer! Now all that crap has to be replaced by the MIC, cash on delivery.

    , @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  17. One of the very best things about this blog is that every few years Steve returns to “The Man Who Would Be King,” as both story and movie. Kipling (and Huston) managed to express a timeless, and not altogether uplifting, theme in a delightful way. Steve’s appreciation for it is always worth revisiting.

    BTW, all the Afghani posts of the past week have been a welcome respite from the usual menu of blacketty-black and transy-trans. Thanks.

  18. The master race of Aryan warriors. We can welcome them as long lost cousins. What could possibly possibly go wrong?

  19. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had to skip over the 2nd part of this post, as it was "spoiling" the movie, of which I haven't watched the 2nd half.

    As for whether these new additions to melting crock pot, USA get Affirmative Action or not, perhaps one could consider whether it's been right to have had forced discrimination via Government edict against the ACTUAL White man for 60 years. If you have any belief in justice and rule of law, you ought to know it's been wrong, and it IS wrong.

    I did really appreciate that paragraph from 1935 Nature magazine. For people under 40 especially, it's got to be weird to realize there was a time when one could write (and speak, for that matter) about whatever he wanted without a constant effort to be careful and apologetic when appropriate. That makes me think about the movie. I got it, Steve. It's a good movie. Let me finish. ;-}

    Replies: @Coemgen, @ChrisZ, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Achmed, I can’t believe YOU of all people haven’t seen “Man Who Would Be King.” I’d have thought it would be on the Peak Stupidity syllabus.

    In the words of the great statesman of our age: “C’mon, Man!”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  20. Afghans might be a whiter shade of pale, but I think they should probably be classified as off-white or even taupe.

    Still, they play quite a decent game of cricket, which is the important thing.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Afghans might be a whiter shade of pale, but I think they should probably be classified as off-white or even taupe.

    Still, they play quite a decent game of cricket, which is the important thing."

    No, you idiot. The important thing is that Afghans continue to display their decent cricket playing skills in Afghanistan.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jonathan Mason

    I believe cricket is haram as far as the Taleban are concerned. Pity. Imran Khan, a Pakistani Pashtun, was a great cricketer and a pretty impressive performer in other areas. His cousin Majid Khan was a great cricketer too.

    "Majid's father, Dr. Jahangir Khan, famously killed a bird in flight while bowling during an MCC vs. Cambridge University match in 1936."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  21. I got into an argument with a Lebanese guy where I worked and we had to be separated by the Black union steward. hehe. What the argument was about? My Lebanese coworker was always talking about Whites who he often referred to as “Blondes.” Kind of like how in the Good, The Bad and The Ugly, “Tuco” kept calling Eastwood, “Blondie” even though Eastwood was not a blonde but just fair.

    Anyhow the union steward asked what the problem was and I said I was tired of this guy talking about Whites. The Lebanese dude then said, “But I am White.” hehe.

    Jews, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese, Syrians, Afghans, East Indians, etc. are TECHNICALLY Caucasian but they are not White. They are white, not White.

    Irish, English, Germans, French, Scandinavians are White. Portuguese, Spain, Italy, Greek are ? Only kidding my White brothers and sisters. Greece is the birthplace of Western Civilization. Poles? hehe. Only kidding.

  22. I thought Joe Strummer’s father was born in Lucknow, India. By the way, Joe was born in Ankara. I really liked The Clashes’s music, and still do, but much of the lyrical content got tiresome as one got a little older. Then it dawned on me that much of Joe Strummer’s shtick was a rebellion against his father who achieved a decent rank in the British foreign service and middle class upbringing. As time goes on, I prefer the more working-class and less burdened with hangups, Mick Jones. Likewise, as time goes on, Pete Townsend became tiresome and he should really have listened more to Roger Daltrey . Just shut up, forget the juvenile politics and religious gurus, and rock.

  23. Not just America, race obscuring class.

    By communism Boebert means the lying. About time for the reply dorks to figure that out.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Desiderius

    Desiderius, I'll come back and tag your comment "Off Topic," when Ron gets around to adding that button. And you can return to do the same to me! (Unless the MORE tag works as a get out of jail card.)

    OT: Philippe Lemoine has published an excellent perspective piece on the CoV-SARS-2 virus, and the likely future path of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Why COVID-19 Is Here to Stay, and Why You Shouldn’t Worry About It
    by Philippe Lemoine, cspi.org
    August 17, 2021

    As many countries are going through another wave of infections, including some where the vast majority of the population has been vaccinated, many are starting to despair that we’ll ever see the end of the pandemic. In this post, I will argue that, on the contrary, not only is the pandemic already on its way out, but the virus will be relatively harmless after it has become endemic. This is going to happen not because the SARS-CoV-2 will become intrinsically less dangerous, although it might, but rather because what made the virus so dangerous was that nobody had immunity against it, so once it has become endemic it will infect fewer people and even those who end up infected will be much less at risk. Moreover, I will explain that, despite widespread anxiety about the emergence of new variants and the danger of immune evasion, the fact that SARS-CoV-2 is mutating will not prevent this outcome because of the way immunity works. Finally, I will argue that, although some people are calling to pursue the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 (as we have done with smallpox), we almost certainly couldn’t eradicate it even if we wanted to and that even if we could it wouldn’t be worth it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  24. The whole ballgame, and Rs completely oblivious as always.

    Especially Trump fans.

    Hanania’s whole generation is oblivious in exactly this way, because we abandoned the schools in which they were taught. They had no way of knowing anything else.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Desiderius

    Is it true that Trump has been banned from Fans-Only because Visa and MasterCard won't process payments?

    Many of these companies have their HQ in Delaware, which is Biden's private fiefdom.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Ian Smith
    @Desiderius

    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed. 😖

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Anonymous

    , @Altai
    @Desiderius

    I think it's easy for people like him to not see it because much of that coalition is implied and instinctual, it's never open, it's members simply 'know' but might be able to articulate or even realise it. It would be interesting to ask him what he thinks motivates the ethnic coalition of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and why it finds itself opposed to the Taliban who derived from the largest ethnic group in it's borders.

    We can see this in say critiques of Ted Cruz for being immigration restrictionist being 'wrong' or 'crazy' because his father was an immigrant. He is just assumed to have inherited an ethnic position in this coalition against the demographic core and immigration is the key way they wage that fight. He is seen as being a traitor. That Ted Cruz might have other considerations or perspectives to lead him to a different policy than the coalition of the fringes is seen as illegitimate. What could be more important than ethnic displacement of the enemy?

    What's more impressive is the politicisation of gays and lesbians that puts to shame any other broad category of people despite not being an actual people. Gay men on Twitter are more innately political activists than black Americans. There is no reason we should assume their position on immigration so correctly other than a coalition of the fringes mentality.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    I think it's much more likely that Hanania is trying to show how much more virtuous he is than others on the Right.

    Or maybe the tweet above is right about him being biased by hate, or at least antipathy, toward heartland white Americans. Not exactly hard to see why an Arab, especially a Palestinian, would feel that way.

    But I don't know that much about him, so maybe he really is that ridiculously unobservant and naive.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  25. An 0ld question

    What is the significance of the zero? 0ld vs Old.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is the worth of Jerusalem: Everything. Nothing!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    What is the significance of the zero? 0ld vs Old.
     
    "Zerold" is a shout-out to his favorite actor:

    Kevin Zerold

    Or to his hernia surgeon:

    Dr Dustin Zerold
  26. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1428711407764246534?s=20

    The whole ballgame, and Rs completely oblivious as always.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1428706296769826819?s=20

    Especially Trump fans.

    https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1428583449640640514?s=20

    Hanania's whole generation is oblivious in exactly this way, because we abandoned the schools in which they were taught. They had no way of knowing anything else.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ian Smith, @Altai, @Anonymous

    Is it true that Trump has been banned from Fans-Only because Visa and MasterCard won’t process payments?

    Many of these companies have their HQ in Delaware, which is Biden’s private fiefdom.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    Many of these companies have their HQ in Delaware, which is Biden’s private fiefdom.
     
    That depends on what you mean by "HQ".

    Why Are the Majority of U.S. Companies Incorporated in Delaware?

    Our usage of the term doesn't normally apply to incorporation papers in a file cabinet at 1209 North Orange St. Actually, there isn't room for actual paper there anymore.



    https://cdn.unitycms.io/image/ocroped/1200,1200,1000,1000,0,0/mdKSOkOzpcg/D5_wr22b4BaAEr12rN39XI.jpg



    These companies have flimsier connections to Delaware than the government of Latvia does:


    The first prime minister with a Linguistics PhD



    https://bnn-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/LET_24545936-e1581577151185.jpg
  27. Maybe if someone lets it out that Afghans are white and proud of it, the DC regime will find excuses not to bring all their refugees here.

  28. I sometimes think that “Whiteness” is seen more as the way a people act more than actual colour, it is why Sicilians and Cypriots are generally seen as White despite in my view to be barely any lighter in general than Afghans. Afghans seem to have many White traits like light eyes, often lighter skin and brown hair, they are about as far removed from European Whites as Somalians in their general behaviour and outlook but that does not mean that if Afghanistan ever becomes in the future a more advanced nation and escapes the grip of the Taliban it wont be viewed as a White nation.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @oliver elkington

    The Hazzari in the Center are Mongols or Chinese looking. The Chinese might well debate these same questions. The Nuristani or Kafiristani are pretty often European looking. The Uzbek are Turkic.

    , @Dutch Boy
    @oliver elkington

    Whiteness as commonly understood has a cultural (in this case, European) component as well as a skin color component. The contrast between Sicilians and Afghans in this regard is apt. BTW I traveled extensively in Italy and a bit in Sicily a few years ago and found the people to be generically European in appearance and not the swarthy stereotype of Italians that many Americans believe. I also noticed a large component of very attractive women.

    Replies: @oliver elkington

  29. Kipling’s Question: Are Afghans White?

    Some of those Taliban dudes look like John Brown. Act like him too, for that matter.

  30. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1428711407764246534?s=20

    The whole ballgame, and Rs completely oblivious as always.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1428706296769826819?s=20

    Especially Trump fans.

    https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1428583449640640514?s=20

    Hanania's whole generation is oblivious in exactly this way, because we abandoned the schools in which they were taught. They had no way of knowing anything else.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ian Smith, @Altai, @Anonymous

    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed. 😖

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Ian Smith


    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed.
     
    Only if we listen to halfwits like you. As a knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtard, I have to say that those of us not afflicted with your limp, supine, weak, and cowardly perspective will work assiduously on restoring the constitutional republic we were bequeathed until we win it back.

    You are an auxiliary of the Left. Lenin spoke of you.

    Stay out of the way, and STFU. We will win this without your help. And you won't admit your stupid musings gave aid and comfort to our enemies. But you will reap the benefits as if you had helped. But hey, you and your patron-surrender-saint John Derbyshire can commiserate on how brilliant you are sharing your incisive and morale-sapping observations.

    Western Civilization was built in spite of you and your fellow travelers. And it will triumph in spite of you and your fellow fellow travelers.
    , @Anonymous
    @Ian Smith

    "Ian Smith says:
    knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country"
    Reconcile.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  31. The Clash’s Joe Strummer, whose father was born in Peshawar

    And Joe Strummer himself was born and raised in Ankara, weirdly.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @slumber_j

    My first sorta serious girl was born and lived in India until 12. Absolute Anglo though. Penelope, some hold over from the Raj.

  32. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    Looks like the DHS is right – rural Whites are the real threat.

  33. Dr. Watson came back as brown as a nut. Holmes didn’t specify, but I doubt he meant almonds.

  34. At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488

    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

    Though it’s underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ‘ Turkish’ identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it’s clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren’t interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Altai

    Many Turks could claim citizenship from the Caucusus area ( the famous Circassians) , but aI doubt they're interested in a Georgian or even Russian passport.

    , @Alden
    @Altai

    42 percent of Turkish DNA is Slavic matrilineal from the millions of Slavic slave women kidnapped by Muslim Tartars and sold to Muslim Turks for more than a thousand years Like the Slavic boys, they were kidnapped very young for ease of transport and control. And raised Muslim. So no secret baptisms and clandestine Christian lessons from their slave mothers.

    , @Alden
    @Altai

    Isn’t dual citizenship dependent on both countries agreeing to it? The Balkans and SE Europe were treated abominably during the centuries of Turkish occupation. The hatred and fear is still there. Do those countries want an invasion of Muslim chauvinist Turks? Look how the German Turks behave after 3 generations.

    Replies: @Malla

    , @Cutler
    @Altai

    Thats correct about the Ottoman records being made public and Turkish citizens tracing their ancestry to European nations iirc Turkish demographers estimated at least 20% of Turkish people are of Balkan ancestry the majority in the west of the country which actually has the same fertility rates as the countries in the balkans too.

    , @3g4me
    @Altai

    @11 Altai: Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries. I don't believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries) but some may have done. Either way, having one White great-grandparent does not a European make. With the exception of the educated upper classes, who aren't trying to emigrate to Europe anyhow (I knew a few of them in the Turkish diplomatic service), most of those applying for dual citizenship are Turkish both genetically and culturally.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    , @prosa123
    @Altai

    I would say that Turks seek dual citizenship in European countries as a sort of safety valve if things start to go extremely wrong in Turkey.

    , @Anon
    @Altai

    Everything you're saying is untrue.


    Western Turks have the lowest European DNA percentage.


    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c6d35a6c30392590a7b99a17da928bd0

    Red hair and European features came to Turkey from central Asia, along with east Eurasian ancestry, because the central Asian turks were a hybrid population created through the mixing of Indo-Iranians (of a European appearance) with East Asians. This is reflected in the genetics of groups like the Kyrgyz, whose ancestors (the Yenisei Kirghiz) were described as red haired, blond, blue eyed, tall nosed, etc. The early Gokturk leader Muqan Qaghan was described as pale and blue eyed, and the leader of the eastern Xiongnu (Liu Yuan) was tall and red bearded. The mixing occured primarily through the mating of Indo-Iranian males with East Eurasian females, as shown by modern genetic studies and historical records from China.

    , @Blade
    @Altai

    BS. Those Turks "from Europe" are Turkish tribes settled in the Balkans by the Ottoman Empire. So you don't really need to "find" it through genealogy service, it is no secret as most of them were forced out through genocide and deportation just around a century ago. Ataturk himself looks nothing like a Greek or Macedonian, but just like a Karaman Turk (from whom he descends), high cheekbones, broad face, almond eyes. Typical Turkic features.

    Perhaps you might be thinking that Turks were Mongols, a common misconception among new-age morons when not intentional. But contrary to that Turks have always been migrating between Asia and Europe. Chinese records mention blue-eyed Turks while the Russian word for Kumans is Polovtsi (blonde).


    many old stock West Anatolian
     
    More bs. Genetic research shows that West Anatolian, particularly Southwest Anatolia is the most similar region to the Asian Turks:

    https://www.volkansadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/yoruk-boy-with-goat.jpg
    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*cggykgkmmhtxvc4uNpZRcg.jpeg

    Educate yourself, moron. Even Uighurs who never left China are not pure Mongoloids: https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/uyghurs-are-hybrids
  35. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1425504462370578438?s=20

    Not just America, race obscuring class.

    By communism Boebert means the lying. About time for the reply dorks to figure that out.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Desiderius, I’ll come back and tag your comment “Off Topic,” when Ron gets around to adding that button. And you can return to do the same to me! (Unless the MORE tag works as a get out of jail card.)

    OT: Philippe Lemoine has published an excellent perspective piece on the CoV-SARS-2 virus, and the likely future path of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    [MORE]

    Why COVID-19 Is Here to Stay, and Why You Shouldn’t Worry About It
    by Philippe Lemoine, cspi.org
    August 17, 2021

    As many countries are going through another wave of infections, including some where the vast majority of the population has been vaccinated, many are starting to despair that we’ll ever see the end of the pandemic. In this post, I will argue that, on the contrary, not only is the pandemic already on its way out, but the virus will be relatively harmless after it has become endemic. This is going to happen not because the SARS-CoV-2 will become intrinsically less dangerous, although it might, but rather because what made the virus so dangerous was that nobody had immunity against it, so once it has become endemic it will infect fewer people and even those who end up infected will be much less at risk. Moreover, I will explain that, despite widespread anxiety about the emergence of new variants and the danger of immune evasion, the fact that SARS-CoV-2 is mutating will not prevent this outcome because of the way immunity works. Finally, I will argue that, although some people are calling to pursue the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 (as we have done with smallpox), we almost certainly couldn’t eradicate it even if we wanted to and that even if we could it wouldn’t be worth it.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @ic1000

    https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1428576618809856006?s=20

  36. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    In the US the term “White” (at least pre-1965) was generally reserved for people of European decent and (if I may barrow the jargon of the cultural Marxists) “White adjacent” groups. i.e. Ashkanzais, Armenians and Christian Arabs.
    Geographically speaking Europe, Armenia and the Levant/Near East. The idea of non-European Caucasian Muslims immigrating here in appreciable numbers (or anywhere in the West quite frankly) was considered about as sensible as trying to mix oil and water.
    As Kipling said: East is East and West is West and never shall the twin meet.

  37. Afghans are whites that live outside of walls whereas Americans are whites that until recently lived inside walls. The two environments breed different sorts. As long as there are no walls around America, the Afghan type will prevail here.

  38. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1428711407764246534?s=20

    The whole ballgame, and Rs completely oblivious as always.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1428706296769826819?s=20

    Especially Trump fans.

    https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1428583449640640514?s=20

    Hanania's whole generation is oblivious in exactly this way, because we abandoned the schools in which they were taught. They had no way of knowing anything else.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ian Smith, @Altai, @Anonymous

    I think it’s easy for people like him to not see it because much of that coalition is implied and instinctual, it’s never open, it’s members simply ‘know’ but might be able to articulate or even realise it. It would be interesting to ask him what he thinks motivates the ethnic coalition of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and why it finds itself opposed to the Taliban who derived from the largest ethnic group in it’s borders.

    We can see this in say critiques of Ted Cruz for being immigration restrictionist being ‘wrong’ or ‘crazy’ because his father was an immigrant. He is just assumed to have inherited an ethnic position in this coalition against the demographic core and immigration is the key way they wage that fight. He is seen as being a traitor. That Ted Cruz might have other considerations or perspectives to lead him to a different policy than the coalition of the fringes is seen as illegitimate. What could be more important than ethnic displacement of the enemy?

    What’s more impressive is the politicisation of gays and lesbians that puts to shame any other broad category of people despite not being an actual people. Gay men on Twitter are more innately political activists than black Americans. There is no reason we should assume their position on immigration so correctly other than a coalition of the fringes mentality.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Altai

    I think there’s been a change among gays and even to a lesser extent among lesbians as the queer have pushed them aside and to a lesser extent blacks have reasserted their prerogatives.

  39. <b

    >Kafiristan (“land of the infidels”) was a pagan country practicing animistic Old Hinduism until the Emir of Kabul invaded it in 1896, eight years after Kipling wrote, and told the men they could be put to the sword or the knife. Most chose circumcision and conversion to Islam. Kafiristan is now known as Nuristan (“land of the enlightened”).

    This is entirely new to me, Maestro Steve. Thanks for the information. I had always assumed that Kipling had entirely concocted the story about a pagan enclave in Afghanistan. I didn’t know it was based on fact.
    Still it is saddening to think that thousands of years of traditional paganism were violently snuffed out a little more than 100 years ago.

  40. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    Many Turks could claim citizenship from the Caucusus area ( the famous Circassians) , but aI doubt they’re interested in a Georgian or even Russian passport.

  41. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    42 percent of Turkish DNA is Slavic matrilineal from the millions of Slavic slave women kidnapped by Muslim Tartars and sold to Muslim Turks for more than a thousand years Like the Slavic boys, they were kidnapped very young for ease of transport and control. And raised Muslim. So no secret baptisms and clandestine Christian lessons from their slave mothers.

  42. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    Isn’t dual citizenship dependent on both countries agreeing to it? The Balkans and SE Europe were treated abominably during the centuries of Turkish occupation. The hatred and fear is still there. Do those countries want an invasion of Muslim chauvinist Turks? Look how the German Turks behave after 3 generations.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Malla
    @Alden

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general. The pre-Mughal Delhi Sultanate was predominantly Turkish.

    There are some Hindu organisations who even celebrate and respect Queen-Empress Victoria for liberating Hindus from brutal Islamic rule.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hindu-sena-queen-victoria-islamic-invaders-1436717-2019-01-22
    Queen Victoria rid India of Islamic invaders: Hindu Sena celebrates death anniversary

    The leftist media is calling it "bizarre".
    "In its invite that is circulating on social media, Hindu Sena also declared the 1857 as the year in which India gained independence in the truest sense." Members of the Hindu Sena praised Queen Victoria, saying it was she who "freed India from the autocratic rule of the Mughals."

    https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/201901/hindu_sena-x988.jpeg

    It states, "Britishers under the dynamic leadership of Empress Victoria brought hundreds of princely states under one umbrella and became one country under one law."

    The spokesperson of the Hindu Sena said: "Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru could raise their voice because it was not an autocratic government. They gave Indians the first taste of freedom by allowing local self-governance in 1882."

    https://c.ndtvimg.com/2019-01/hsqp75to_hindu-sena-pays-tribute-to-queen-victoria-twitter_625x300_23_January_19.jpg

    Hail Queen Victoria
    Hindu sena believes Britishers were rsponsible 4 the development of India & they threw Islamic rule out of our land
    As a mark of rspct towards Empress Victoria we r paying her tribute on her death anniversary on 22.01.2019, 1:00pm, @ Jantar Mantar, New Delhi pic.twitter.com/VJDNV1wWwv

    - HINDU SENA (@HinduSenaOrg) January 20, 2019
    "The Britishers did not destroy our temples like the others did...They gave us the law which we follow even today," Mr Yadav claimed.

    He also claimed that the imperial army strived for equality among all castes in India. "They (the British) formed the Mahar regiment. Earlier, in Bengal Presidency, only people belonging to upper castes were allowed to enlist in the army," he claimed, adding "if there is a gentlemanly race in the world, it is the British."

    Replies: @epebble

  43. anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Afghanistan is part of Central Asia like the rest of the -stan countries, so I would think they are Asian rather than white. Physically they resemble Pakistanis.

    When I think of “Middle Eastern” I think of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey, the Levant(Syria, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon), the Arab peninsula(SA, UAE, Oman, Yemen), and maybe the Caucuses (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia).

    Some Indians claim that they are “Caucasian”, which in America means white, but I have never met a white person who thinks he’s Indian.

  44. White Pashtuns aren’t the only ethnic group in Afghanistan. A significant minority are the HazerI. They are Mongolian not Caucasian. Their Islam culture and customs are different from the Pashtun culture. The Pashtuns hate the HazerI passionately. The Hazeri are supposedly descendants of the genocidal hordes of Genghis Khan and his successors.

    Although it was centuries ago, the Pashtun have not forgotten their grievances. Anything for a fight.

  45. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    Taliban are winning meme war. That’s Peachey’s great grandson though. Or flashy’s bastard. Got to be English.

  46. Dear Mr Sailer,

    Of course there are no white people in Afghanistan!

    You are Bad. Therefore white. Afghans are Good. Therefore PoCs.

    You mislead your sad gullible readers about supposed diversity within a supposed white race (which is a now-disproven biological theory- Wikipedia says so, so there!), when diversity of course only applies to within non-white peoples.

    It is a well known fact white people of course all look the same and you can’t tell an actor from a cricketer.

    Yours (co-signatories),

    Imran Khan (actor)
    Mark Wahlberg (Prime Minister of Pakistan)

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had to skip over the 2nd part of this post, as it was "spoiling" the movie, of which I haven't watched the 2nd half.

    As for whether these new additions to melting crock pot, USA get Affirmative Action or not, perhaps one could consider whether it's been right to have had forced discrimination via Government edict against the ACTUAL White man for 60 years. If you have any belief in justice and rule of law, you ought to know it's been wrong, and it IS wrong.

    I did really appreciate that paragraph from 1935 Nature magazine. For people under 40 especially, it's got to be weird to realize there was a time when one could write (and speak, for that matter) about whatever he wanted without a constant effort to be careful and apologetic when appropriate. That makes me think about the movie. I got it, Steve. It's a good movie. Let me finish. ;-}

    Replies: @Coemgen, @ChrisZ, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    I liked Billy Fish. Ayo Gurhkali!

  48. @slumber_j

    The Clash’s Joe Strummer, whose father was born in Peshawar
     
    And Joe Strummer himself was born and raised in Ankara, weirdly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    My first sorta serious girl was born and lived in India until 12. Absolute Anglo though. Penelope, some hold over from the Raj.

  49. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1428711407764246534?s=20

    The whole ballgame, and Rs completely oblivious as always.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1428706296769826819?s=20

    Especially Trump fans.

    https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1428583449640640514?s=20

    Hanania's whole generation is oblivious in exactly this way, because we abandoned the schools in which they were taught. They had no way of knowing anything else.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Ian Smith, @Altai, @Anonymous

    I think it’s much more likely that Hanania is trying to show how much more virtuous he is than others on the Right.

    Or maybe the tweet above is right about him being biased by hate, or at least antipathy, toward heartland white Americans. Not exactly hard to see why an Arab, especially a Palestinian, would feel that way.

    But I don’t know that much about him, so maybe he really is that ridiculously unobservant and naive.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    No, he's a Dick through and through and I doubt he cares much about virtue or showing it. The problem is that the bigotry obscures what is otherwise a perceptive and original mind. As with more or less his whole milieu he has very little way of knowing anything different. That has something do with being Pali (thought he was Lebanese?) but more with being educated at Columbia.

    We don't exist in their world. That can have its advantages for us, but it doesn't help Dick get a clearer picture of things.

  50. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    Thats correct about the Ottoman records being made public and Turkish citizens tracing their ancestry to European nations iirc Turkish demographers estimated at least 20% of Turkish people are of Balkan ancestry the majority in the west of the country which actually has the same fertility rates as the countries in the balkans too.

  51. If one of them cures Cancer, they are POC

    If one of them shoots a black kid, they are whiter than Joe Biden’s taste in music

  52. Biden is no Teddy Roosevelt.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Joe Stalin

    An entertaining movie that played fast-and-loose with history. The character that Candace Bergen was based on was actually a dude. And of course, there was no incursion of US Marines into Morocco, nor did they get into a dust-up with some kind of Willhelmanian Afrika Korps. But John Milius wanted to have been a Marine fighting the Hun in Belleau Wood, so he made all that stuff up.

    , @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I know a guy who used to adore that movie. His dad showed it to him. Then back earlier in the century he got an all expense paid trip to the sandbox, courtesy of the big, green Army. He got to meet real, genuine, Arabs in the streets, behind buildings and sand dunes, in courtyards...and find out what they are really like. Now he can't stand that movie, because (to paraphrase a much longer rant) "There's no scene with an Arab trying to bang his dinkey dick into a donkey behind a dunghill. It's just not realistic". This a bowlderized paraphrase, by the way.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  53. … if people ever admitted Charles Murray was right about IQ that the public would then immediately hate blacks viciously.

    In my own experience, the realization that blacks on average are dumber made me hate them less and want to avoid them more. I think many of you will understand what I mean.

  54. This is a red herring, but it occurs to me that The Man who would be King could be seen as a metaphor for the Indian Mutiny of 1857.

    Writing thirty one years later, that event would have loomed large in Kipling’s mental landscape, and indeed, the two stories follow a similar course. Like Peachy Carnahan and Daniel Dravot, the British had come to a impossibly exotic land and had done very well — as long as they had confined themselves to simply garnering power and establishing order out of purely mercenary motives.

    Things went off the rails — in both reality and the story — when the conquerors started letting extraneous motives corrupt their behavior. The Mutiny broke out for a variety of reasons, but one of the strongest ones was a conviction among the East India Company’s sepoys that the British intended to corrupt their religion. Aside from the cartridges, the attempts at bans on female infanticide and suttee and increasing Christian missionary activities had created increasing unrest. Ditto in The Man who would be King. Daniel Dravot’s subjects revolt when he proposes to come among them and take a wife — a religious abomination, since he is a god. That he would propose to rule them isn’t a novelty. That he would ignore their religious beliefs is intolerable. There is even the similar lowering storm: the period of undefined rumor and sense of unease that preceded the Mutiny and the ‘don’t do this, Dan’ moments before his attempted marriage.

    So the moral — both in reality and in the story — is to just seize power, enforce peace, and collect taxes. Everyone understands that perfectly well, and there’ll be no trouble. Try something else, and you’re for it.

  55. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    @2 Kuru: Mods won’t le me like or LOL, but my God how perceptive. The Taliban are rising in my estimation (please note this does not mean I want them as neighbors).

  56. The Kalash like the earlier Kaffiristanis have a religion more closer to the earlier primordial vedic Hinduism than the Purranic Hinduism which came later and is now the common form of Hinduism in India today. For example in the movie ‘Man Who Would be King’, the Kaffiristanis worship a Gid named Imbra which matches Vedic prime god Indra, who is cognate to Germanic Thor/Donnar, Slavic Perun and Greek Zeus.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Malla


    the Kaffiristanis worship a Gid named Imbra

     

    They worship an ovine disease? Sounds pretty woolly to me. Shear madness. Mutton ewe ever want to experience yourself.

    Cœnurosis, also known as: Gid...
  57. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1428530649103695873?s=20

    Looks like we found that 10th planet. Maybe the Wokel Defense (sic) lobbyist SecDefs should have clued us in. See also Fast and Furious.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Currahee, @J.Ross

    I hope Taliban are moving the usable stuff out by the truckload now. China has probably a skyhook helicopter there for heavy lifting.

    Today: Biden mulling Afghanistan AIRSTRIKES to destroy US military equipment abandoned to Taliban, but only after evacuations – reports

    Earlier ithis month: Aug 7: US sends B-52 bombers to Afghanistan in bid to stop Taliban offensive, as strategic city of Kunduz sees militants entering

    The strikes inflicted heavy losses on the militants, the official claimed, with over 200 fighters killed, and more than 100 vehicles destroyed. A large cache of weaponry of ammunition was destroyed as well. No footage to corroborate the Afghan government claims about Taliban’s heavy losses, however, has emerged so far. The Cold War-era heavy aircraft were also supported by AC-130 Specter gunships, US media reported.

    Ghengis Khan more like Ghengis Kangz

  58. Kipling’s Question: Are Afghans White?

    Another question is whether the Taliban are Whiter than the average Afghan, you know like how the Turkish army is lighter than the average Turk?

  59. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    @11 Altai: Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries. I don’t believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries) but some may have done. Either way, having one White great-grandparent does not a European make. With the exception of the educated upper classes, who aren’t trying to emigrate to Europe anyhow (I knew a few of them in the Turkish diplomatic service), most of those applying for dual citizenship are Turkish both genetically and culturally.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @3g4me

    "I don’t believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries)"

    IIRC a Janissary had to be 40 before he could marry. Given that they were the SAS, Commandos or Marine Corps of the Ottoman forces, given all the most dangerous tasks, I'm sure a lot of them didn't get that far.

    , @Anon
    @3g4me


    Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries.
     
    This is not true. The early Türks in central asia had white features and they were inherited paternally from Indo-Iranians like Scythians. The earliest descriptions of the Xiongnu (early Turks) describe them as having blond and red hair. The medieval Yenisei Kirghiz in western China were described as blond and blue eyed, large nosed and tall -- black hair was seen as a sign of "bad luck" among them. And the leader of the Gokturk Khaganate, Muqan Qaghan, was pale and blue eyed.


    Linking all of these people is the inheritance of Indo-Iranian paternal DNA, and specifically, haplogroup R1a.
  60. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    Ho, ho, ho. Who won?

  61. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1428530649103695873?s=20

    Looks like we found that 10th planet. Maybe the Wokel Defense (sic) lobbyist SecDefs should have clued us in. See also Fast and Furious.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Currahee, @J.Ross

    Great revenue enhancer! Now all that crap has to be replaced by the MIC, cash on delivery.

  62. By the way, this reminds me of how weird is the conventional wisdom that if people ever admitted Charles Murray was right about IQ that the public would then immediately hate blacks viciously. Having seen a number of movies during my lifetime, I’d like to point out that that’s not actually how humans react.

    It’s very telling: most nice white people have tremendous sympathy for poor unfortunate simpletons, which suggests that, despite what they say, they don’t actually believe in the equality of the races. Where we can infer their secret thoughts, we generally find that they have a worse opinion of blacks than avowed racists.

  63. • Replies: @El Dato
    @JohnnyWalker123

    .... and they should have given chastity belts to gays instead.

  64. This clip is really funny.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks, Johnny. I'll say that this guy had less chance of getting his ass kicked than that The Verve skinny guy. I am amazed that he got through that Bitter Sweet Symphony video with no black eye. It would have made a better video if he ran into one of The Clash or the Sex Pistols and the whole bloody band bloodied him up. Maybe that would have gotten me to buy the CD.

  65. @Jonathan Mason

    An 0ld question
     
    What is the significance of the zero? 0ld vs Old.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    It is the worth of Jerusalem: Everything. Nothing!

  66. @ic1000
    @Desiderius

    Desiderius, I'll come back and tag your comment "Off Topic," when Ron gets around to adding that button. And you can return to do the same to me! (Unless the MORE tag works as a get out of jail card.)

    OT: Philippe Lemoine has published an excellent perspective piece on the CoV-SARS-2 virus, and the likely future path of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Why COVID-19 Is Here to Stay, and Why You Shouldn’t Worry About It
    by Philippe Lemoine, cspi.org
    August 17, 2021

    As many countries are going through another wave of infections, including some where the vast majority of the population has been vaccinated, many are starting to despair that we’ll ever see the end of the pandemic. In this post, I will argue that, on the contrary, not only is the pandemic already on its way out, but the virus will be relatively harmless after it has become endemic. This is going to happen not because the SARS-CoV-2 will become intrinsically less dangerous, although it might, but rather because what made the virus so dangerous was that nobody had immunity against it, so once it has become endemic it will infect fewer people and even those who end up infected will be much less at risk. Moreover, I will explain that, despite widespread anxiety about the emergence of new variants and the danger of immune evasion, the fact that SARS-CoV-2 is mutating will not prevent this outcome because of the way immunity works. Finally, I will argue that, although some people are calling to pursue the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 (as we have done with smallpox), we almost certainly couldn’t eradicate it even if we wanted to and that even if we could it wouldn’t be worth it.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  67. @Altai
    @Desiderius

    I think it's easy for people like him to not see it because much of that coalition is implied and instinctual, it's never open, it's members simply 'know' but might be able to articulate or even realise it. It would be interesting to ask him what he thinks motivates the ethnic coalition of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and why it finds itself opposed to the Taliban who derived from the largest ethnic group in it's borders.

    We can see this in say critiques of Ted Cruz for being immigration restrictionist being 'wrong' or 'crazy' because his father was an immigrant. He is just assumed to have inherited an ethnic position in this coalition against the demographic core and immigration is the key way they wage that fight. He is seen as being a traitor. That Ted Cruz might have other considerations or perspectives to lead him to a different policy than the coalition of the fringes is seen as illegitimate. What could be more important than ethnic displacement of the enemy?

    What's more impressive is the politicisation of gays and lesbians that puts to shame any other broad category of people despite not being an actual people. Gay men on Twitter are more innately political activists than black Americans. There is no reason we should assume their position on immigration so correctly other than a coalition of the fringes mentality.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I think there’s been a change among gays and even to a lesser extent among lesbians as the queer have pushed them aside and to a lesser extent blacks have reasserted their prerogatives.

  68. “…if people ever admitted Charles Murray was right about IQ that the public would then immediately hate blacks viciously…”

    Exactly right. Dumb and violent is a repulsive combination, unless you are talking about the front line in a battle. Dumb and sweet is just fine.

  69. It doesn’t matter if the Afghans are white. The Dems will rope them into their Coalition of the Fringes by making sure they get AA benefits.

  70. The question is basically meaningless. Many contemporary true Europeans, for instance Greeks, Italians, English, French, Russians,… don’t look terribly white. The whitest are central Slavs and Scandinavians. On the other hand, from England to Russia, you can find “ethnically ambiguous” loads of people, from entertainers like McShane to historical figures like Peter the Great.

    Simply, you won’t get visually too much white people who are not to some degree ambiguous.

    And Kipling himself was suspect, socially, because of his dark complexion.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Bardon Kaldian

    If by white you mean having the fairest skin on average, I would say the English have everyone but the Scots and the Irish beaten. They probably have the most stereotypically European facial features as well.

    Replies: @greysquirrell

  71. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1428530649103695873?s=20

    Looks like we found that 10th planet. Maybe the Wokel Defense (sic) lobbyist SecDefs should have clued us in. See also Fast and Furious.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Currahee, @J.Ross

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he’s forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There’s supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @J.Ross

    How can you tell when Biden is on vacation? It doubt he puts in more than 5-6 hours a day regardless of whether he is in the White House or in Delaware.

    , @Alden
    @J.Ross

    Friday 4PM eastern time. Biden has agreed to stay in DC till late this evening in case any crisis occurs. A thought; I think his wife has taken some advanced first aid paramedic nurses aide courses as she is her husband’s primary medical 24/7 caretaker. A devoted wife acting as she should.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    Media don't like it when a war closes down, so yes - punishment.

    Everyone in Media should get a Taliban treatment for great justice!

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @J.Ross

    Maybe it’s just part of The Running of the Toxic White Man routine, so pleasing to Obama, Rice, Jarrett, Holder, et al.

    But Blinken, the Secretary of the Shambling Empire, and his sidekick, Austin, the Secretary of Defencelessness, hope to emerge blameless, as they try to blame it all on Old Joe’s fecklessness.

    But I must wonder, who is pulling the strings? Obama wanted Joe ‘cause his cabal could lead him by the nose, as his only utility is as the Public Notary, signing off on whatever they put in front of him. Ah, but Kamala? How about Kamala getting put in the Big Chair after Joe either gets 25th, or resigns, and then Hillary gets put into the VP slot (the President Who Should Have Been)?

    Kamala is clearly a modern day equivalent of Aethelred the Unready, so Hillary would be a trusted, steady hand for the Deep State to have in place, sort of like Cheney, who got the Deep State’s business attended to. And if something would happen to Kamala, well, Hillary would be in like Flynn. (Don’t know if you noticed, but while Joe was in hiding, the ol’ SOS, Hillary, was talking with Canada’s BoyMan, Trudeau, cutting Kamala out of the loop, during this Time of Crisis, don’t you know). Wetting her lips, perhaps; and a final Fuck You to Obama, who jumped the line.

    , @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    No, to damage him.

    The Derp State selected him to take down Trump. Now he's superfluous and more popular than their preferred figurehead.

    Time to go. Next in line are Harris and Pelosi and well, see New Zealand for what that's going to look like.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @J.Ross


    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this.
     
    Glenn Greenwald says it is because the Intel Community did not want an exit, so they flusterclucked it to punish Biden for straying from the expert path. Hence, Biden must be the fall guy. The MSM have closer ties to the CIA than the DNC.

    Lara Logan says this is planned because this is what the deep state wants. She does not know why.

    Obama preferred policies that furthered Islamic Supremacism, and this is an other instance of the same. Maybe that accounts for what we see.

    The default posture of an honest skeptic is to assume that stupidity, negligence, or ignorance best explain bad outcomes. But who can believe that anyone could be stupid, negligent, or ignorant enough to explain this Afghanistan-pullout fiasco?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  72. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, Afghanistan was the staging post from whence the Aryans launched their invasion and conquest of the Indian sub continent.
    ‘Aryan’ in this context being the self designation of the Indo European people speaking peopl who conquered India around 2000BC.

    Genetic research tells us that these Aryans were an offshoot of the Sintashta culture of Russia – which in turn was an offshoot of the Corded Ware culture located rather deep in the European continent – as far west as Poland.

    The Pashtuns still retain a rather high cut of Sintashta ancestry, though the admixed with native Indian ancestry.

  73. @Adamant
    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @S. Anonyia

    I have a “friend(+-) who is a yellow dog Democrat. Whenever he wants to disparage my pro-Trump/DeSantis leanings, he brings up Qanon and the Shaman q-actor and accuses me of supporting them. This, to him, is proof that he is correct and I am hopelessly right.

    Whenever a simple-minded, hopelessly insecure member of one of the Teutonic or Scandinavian clans seeks to establish his self-worth without doing any work, he accuses non-Teutonic/Scandinavians of insufficient whiteness. I prefer to evaluate the individual and it is permissible to notice group differences.

    According to Ms. Adamant, I am not white, but I think the odds are about 100 to 1 that I am more intelligent and skilled than her.

    Afghans are stuck in the Stone Age. Or maybe the Bronze Age. I wonder how many human sacrifices Germanic or Celtic tribes practised when they were at a similar stage of development. I know one of my ethnic heritages was accused of that, but that was about 4,00 years ago.

    I think Ms. Adamant would be better served by earning some self-respect through hard work and self-examination.

  74. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    I would say that Turks seek dual citizenship in European countries as a sort of safety valve if things start to go extremely wrong in Turkey.

    • Agree: Cato
  75. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

  76. By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn’t the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque …..

    • Replies: @Kuru
    @Bardon Kaldian


    By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn’t the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque …..
     
    Not Iran, but related anyway,

    Afghanistan's accidental gay pride

    How... are we supposed to make sense of the recent very conspicuous appearance of the rainbow-coloured gay pride symbols all over the streets of Kabul and other urban centres?

    The pioneer Afghan Pajhwok news agency took it upon itself to investigate this unusual sociocultural phenomenon, sending a reporter to interview drivers who had decorated their cars with gay pride stickers and rear banners. After all, these Chinese-made car accessories had suddenly become popular, available in any garage supplying vehicle parts.

    Even more remarkably, Afghan drivers seemed to have little concern about using their cars to openly advertise being gay and proud of it. In a country where social conservatism sometimes results in gay men sharing their life with their partner of choice and an arranged wife so as to keep up appearances, there was certainly something very unusual about this apparently new openness.

    Needless to say, Pajhwok's reporter soon discovered that Afghans who had decorated their cars with the rainbow symbol had no idea what it stood for. For them it was just the newest car fashion accessory but, on learning of its meaning in the west, drivers immediately started removing it.

    The rainbow stickers had first arrived on secondhand cars imported from Canada. Afghans had simply assumed that the colour combination was the latest fashion fad in the west, and duly adopted it.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

  77. The more pressing questions is whether School Boards and teachers are. Here, give them a hand:

    https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

  78. Crazy chick wife -> yep pretty white

  79. @Jonathan Mason

    An 0ld question
     
    What is the significance of the zero? 0ld vs Old.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Reg Cæsar

    What is the significance of the zero? 0ld vs Old.

    “Zerold” is a shout-out to his favorite actor:

    Kevin Zerold

    Or to his hernia surgeon:

    Dr Dustin Zerold

  80. @Jonathan Mason
    @Desiderius

    Is it true that Trump has been banned from Fans-Only because Visa and MasterCard won't process payments?

    Many of these companies have their HQ in Delaware, which is Biden's private fiefdom.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Many of these companies have their HQ in Delaware, which is Biden’s private fiefdom.

    That depends on what you mean by “HQ”.

    Why Are the Majority of U.S. Companies Incorporated in Delaware?

    Our usage of the term doesn’t normally apply to incorporation papers in a file cabinet at 1209 North Orange St. Actually, there isn’t room for actual paper there anymore.

    These companies have flimsier connections to Delaware than the government of Latvia does:

    The first prime minister with a Linguistics PhD

  81. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    Is Real Taliban News really from the Taliban, or is some guy just larping for his own amusement?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Not Raul

    The oft cited Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is some guy sitting in an apartment in London playing on his laptop with "information" that MI6 feeds him. For example, did you know that the White Helmets are the good guys?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  82. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    and language is right again. steve is trying to discredit nazis again by equating aryan with indo-aryan. but the nazis used it in its historical linguistics sense which today is would be indo-european, who were a real people speaking one language in one urheimat about 6,000 years ago. they conquered from the same place and in the same way genghis conquered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

    mullah baradar = mullah brother. notice the similarity between “baradar” and “brother”.

    unfortunately steve is only 75% aryan, 25% children of the corn person.

    but then the brahmin-privileged are much less aryan than the often european looking peoples of n pakistan and ne afghanistan and tajikistan. the darker the indian the less aryan. and no indians are as light skinned as the kalash, tajiks, pashtuns. sad.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Pashtuns in Pakistan don't seem to be that light. Malala is a Pashtun. Is it just the Afghan Pashtuns that have the pure stock look?

  83. But … what are the Pathans and the other Afghan tribes, from a genetic perspective? You’d think by now there’d be some answers – I remember 20 years ago an expedition sponsored by the Spectator was trying to find descendants of Alexander’s troops, but I never heard anything more.

    I did find this

    https://www.nature.com/articles/5201726

    “Y-chromosomal evidence for a limited Greek contribution to the Pathan population of Pakistan”

    The only quibble here is that they compared Y chromosomes from the modern Greek population – are they direct descendants of Alexander’s men?

    Or are the Pathans a lost tribe of Israel?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/17/israel-lost-tribes-pashtun

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/24701394.2016.1174222?journalCode=imdn21

    “The presence of specific haplotypes J1b (4%) and K1a1b1a (5%) pointed to a genetic connection of Jewish conglomeration in Khattak tribe. This was a result of an ancient genetic influx in the early Neolithic period that led to the formation of a diverse genetic substratum in present day Pashtun.”

    Early Neolithic? Were Jews Jewish then, or just another Caananite tribe?

  84. The whiteness of the Kalash seems to be an object of endless fascination for Razib Khan (and likewise involves repeated references to TMWWBK):

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2015/08/08/white-people-are-a-homoplasy/

    http://www.razib.com/wordpress/category/kalash/

    And here he is in Discover magazine — as with 1935 Nature articles, the language used back in 2012 is strikingly different from what would be allowed today, as he himself would subsequently learn.

    Because of their light skin and hair both the Kalash and Burusho have inspired claims that they are “lost white tribes.” This is almost certainly false for the Burusho… the Burusho have many characteristic South Asian mtDNA lineages. The Kalash mtDNA is almost totally West Eurasian, but looking at the “Kalash” component above you don’t see particular closeness to the Russian/European modal component in comparison to the South Asian ones. Yet looking through the images at the links above I think you’ll be struck by how European some of the Kalash and Burusho seem in visible appearance…but their phenotype exhibits far less of the South Eurasian imprint than the lowland peoples of the Punjab. I have no good model for why mountains would foster such a phenotypic difference, but that’s all I’m left with.

    In the end the Kalash and the Burusho are the best refutation of the “blondes going extinct meme.” …the Kalash and the Burusho illustrate that even out of a period of admixture distinctive traits from one parental population can reassert themselves through stochastic (e.g., drift) or deterministic (e.g., selection) forces.

    In other words, even if whites were to disappear, Razib is confident that whiteness will endure.

  85. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    How can you tell when Biden is on vacation? It doubt he puts in more than 5-6 hours a day regardless of whether he is in the White House or in Delaware.

  86. Depending upon whom one might ask, or choose to believe, today might mark the 2500th anniversary of the Battle of Thermopylae (e.g., the 300 Spartans, et al.):

    ***

    Date 21–23 July [1] or 20 August[2] or 8–10 September[3] 480 BC

    ***

    Citations

    1. ^ Gongaki (2021) [1],
    2. ^ Bradford (1980), p.162
    3. ^ Greswell (1827), p. 374

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

    Alas, the modern-day Greeks are unable to count properly to 2500 years:

    https://www.thermopylaesalamis2020.gr/en/official-celebration-of-the-2500th-anniversary-of-the-battles-of-thermopylae-and-salamis/

    R.I.P., King Leonidas I and entourage!

  87. @anon
    and language is right again. steve is trying to discredit nazis again by equating aryan with indo-aryan. but the nazis used it in its historical linguistics sense which today is would be indo-european, who were a real people speaking one language in one urheimat about 6,000 years ago. they conquered from the same place and in the same way genghis conquered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

    mullah baradar = mullah brother. notice the similarity between "baradar" and "brother".

    unfortunately steve is only 75% aryan, 25% children of the corn person.

    but then the brahmin-privileged are much less aryan than the often european looking peoples of n pakistan and ne afghanistan and tajikistan. the darker the indian the less aryan. and no indians are as light skinned as the kalash, tajiks, pashtuns. sad.

    Replies: @anon

    Pashtuns in Pakistan don’t seem to be that light. Malala is a Pashtun. Is it just the Afghan Pashtuns that have the pure stock look?

  88. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    plus…steve my dude…

    the reason the taliban won is not what you say. you are a silly man who sees allother men as mannequins or cardboard cutouts.

    1. taliban wins because the afghan security forces were just mercenaries, soldiering for a paycheck.

    2. taliban wins because afghanistan is a fake country…a hole in the map of empires that became a country…

    what would unite such a country?

    american steve: fight for afghanistan my brothers in globohomogayplexistan!
    afghani mugabe: wtf is afghanistan?

    islam is the only conceivable source of unity in a country like afghanistan.

    • LOL: Kratoklastes
  89. even if whites were to disappear, Razib is confident that whiteness will endure.

    It is not Razib’s theory. It follows from the laws of genetics discovered by Gregor Mendel (in 1866). As a (very) crude approximation, what he is saying is (a+b)^n will always have a^n (and b^n) however large n is. They may become vanishingly small for large n, but not zero. I don’t know how well it fits the word endure, but surely it does not disappear. In reality, due to the dominant and recessive nature of genes, what we see may be much different from a^n.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel#/media/File:Mendelian_inheritance.svg

  90. @3g4me
    @Altai

    @11 Altai: Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries. I don't believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries) but some may have done. Either way, having one White great-grandparent does not a European make. With the exception of the educated upper classes, who aren't trying to emigrate to Europe anyhow (I knew a few of them in the Turkish diplomatic service), most of those applying for dual citizenship are Turkish both genetically and culturally.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    “I don’t believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries)”

    IIRC a Janissary had to be 40 before he could marry. Given that they were the SAS, Commandos or Marine Corps of the Ottoman forces, given all the most dangerous tasks, I’m sure a lot of them didn’t get that far.

  91. Quick thoughts…if you haven’t taken the time to watch “The Man Who Would be King” I found a free video, full length online, and watched it on my desk top. Should be watched on a larger screen but it will do. Great flik. Also watch “The Beast”, also free online, about Russia’s time in Afghanistan. Secondly, and I need help here, years ago National Geographic had a cover photo of a young Afghan girl, very striking. They found her years later and published a new photo…aged beyond what you would expect, except, Afghanistan is a harsh place to live. Rescue our citizens and then never go back there again.

  92. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Cue chime for racists jumping into the fray to urgently hype the importance of, ehem, culture, over genetics:

    5..4..3..2...

    Replies: @WigWig

    You are wrong. A haplogroup tells you little about the overall genetic similarity of populations. There’s a big pocket of R1b in Chad, does that mean that Chadians are white?

  93. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Friday 4PM eastern time. Biden has agreed to stay in DC till late this evening in case any crisis occurs. A thought; I think his wife has taken some advanced first aid paramedic nurses aide courses as she is her husband’s primary medical 24/7 caretaker. A devoted wife acting as she should.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    I bet Jill's priority is not letting Kamala become President over Joe's dead body.

  94. @Not Raul
    @Kuru

    Is Real Taliban News really from the Taliban, or is some guy just larping for his own amusement?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    The oft cited Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is some guy sitting in an apartment in London playing on his laptop with “information” that MI6 feeds him. For example, did you know that the White Helmets are the good guys?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @James Speaks

    Let us never forget the Syrian Lesbian, who like all the other Lesbians on the internet turned out to be a fat bearded Scottish dude, but not before become the darling of Those Who Know Better Than You.

  95. @WigWig
    Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)

    Replies: @Flip, @Ancient Briton

    Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)

    The Welsh tend to be darker.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Flip

    "The Welsh tend to be darker."

    It was Richard Burton the actor who was Welsh. Richard Burton the explorer was Anglo-Irish.

  96. They had to make the denizens of the Hindu Kush POC’s so that the big Corporations outsourcing their programming and customer service and using H1b’s for the same at home could claim to be meeting affirmative action quotas. You can replace African-Americans with East Asians and not feel disparate impact as you replace POC’s with other POC’s.

  97. @WigWig
    Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)

    Replies: @Flip, @Ancient Briton

    Wasn’t he Welsh? (Just kidding).

  98. @oliver elkington
    I sometimes think that "Whiteness" is seen more as the way a people act more than actual colour, it is why Sicilians and Cypriots are generally seen as White despite in my view to be barely any lighter in general than Afghans. Afghans seem to have many White traits like light eyes, often lighter skin and brown hair, they are about as far removed from European Whites as Somalians in their general behaviour and outlook but that does not mean that if Afghanistan ever becomes in the future a more advanced nation and escapes the grip of the Taliban it wont be viewed as a White nation.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dutch Boy

    The Hazzari in the Center are Mongols or Chinese looking. The Chinese might well debate these same questions. The Nuristani or Kafiristani are pretty often European looking. The Uzbek are Turkic.

  99. @Jonathan Mason
    Afghans might be a whiter shade of pale, but I think they should probably be classified as off-white or even taupe.

    Still, they play quite a decent game of cricket, which is the important thing.

    Replies: @Kylie, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Afghans might be a whiter shade of pale, but I think they should probably be classified as off-white or even taupe.

    Still, they play quite a decent game of cricket, which is the important thing.”

    No, you idiot. The important thing is that Afghans continue to display their decent cricket playing skills in Afghanistan.

  100. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had to skip over the 2nd part of this post, as it was "spoiling" the movie, of which I haven't watched the 2nd half.

    As for whether these new additions to melting crock pot, USA get Affirmative Action or not, perhaps one could consider whether it's been right to have had forced discrimination via Government edict against the ACTUAL White man for 60 years. If you have any belief in justice and rule of law, you ought to know it's been wrong, and it IS wrong.

    I did really appreciate that paragraph from 1935 Nature magazine. For people under 40 especially, it's got to be weird to realize there was a time when one could write (and speak, for that matter) about whatever he wanted without a constant effort to be careful and apologetic when appropriate. That makes me think about the movie. I got it, Steve. It's a good movie. Let me finish. ;-}

    Replies: @Coemgen, @ChrisZ, @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    Billy Fish is a great man though. Love that character. “Cut their bloody balls off!” That little guy has your back. I think that’s why these silly British officers in Parliament got upset. They’ve all encountered a solid sidekick in the region.

  101. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    If you watch Bardon Kaldian’s video at 8:57, you see that the man pictured in the meme is Nuristani, which is the most white-looking of Afghanistan’s ethnic groups, as mentioned in the OP.

  102. @Alden
    @J.Ross

    Friday 4PM eastern time. Biden has agreed to stay in DC till late this evening in case any crisis occurs. A thought; I think his wife has taken some advanced first aid paramedic nurses aide courses as she is her husband’s primary medical 24/7 caretaker. A devoted wife acting as she should.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I bet Jill’s priority is not letting Kamala become President over Joe’s dead body.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • LOL: JMcG, PiltdownMan
  103. Funny that Steve has taken Kipling, of all people, to discuss whiteness.

    Kipling!

    Sigh …

    https://orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip

    George Orwell

    Rudyard Kipling
    ………………………

    How far does Kipling really identify himself with the administrators, soldiers and engineers whose praises he sings? Not so completely as is sometimes assumed. He had traveled very widely while he was still a young man, he had grown up with a brilliant mind in mainly philistine surroundings, and some streak in him that may have been partly neurotic led him to prefer the active man to the sensitive man. The nineteenth-century Anglo-Indians, to name the least sympathetic of his idols, were at any rate people who did things. It may be that all that they did was evil, but they changed the face of the earth (it is instructive to look at a map of Asia and compare the railway system of India with that of the surrounding countries), whereas they could have achieved nothing, could not have maintained themselves in power for a single week, if the normal Anglo-Indian outlook had been that of, say, E.M. Forster. Tawdry and shallow though it is, Kipling’s is the only literary picture that we possess of nineteenth-century Anglo-India, and he could only make it because he was just coarse enough to be able to exist and keep his mouth shut in clubs and regimental messes. But he did not greatly resemble the people he admired. I know from several private sources that many of the Anglo-Indians who were Kipling’s contemporaries did not like or approve of him. They said, no doubt truly, that he knew nothing about India, and on the other hand, he was from their point of view too much of a highbrow. While in India he tended to mix with ‘the wrong’ people, and because of his dark complexion he was wrongly suspected of having a streak of Asiatic blood.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Kipling liked belonging to the Lahore Masonic lodge that included a Hindu, a Sikh, a Muslim, an Aden Jew, and an Iberian Catholic.

    The most similar personality of my lifetime was Joe Strummer of the Clash, whose mother was Scottish and whose father, a member of MI-6 and friend of Kim Philby, was born in Peshawar of mixed English and Armenian and Jewish descent. Strummer identified as a man of the left, but Sir Ridley Scott correctly identified his more fundamental likeness to Kipling.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  104. It’s not a matter of pigmentation. A guy is white if he 1. Can swim; 2. owns tools; and 3. owns books. That’s it. A score of two is passing. Three is great. Extra credit for having a name like Chip Smith. A guy can be the color of chocolate milk, but if says to me he’s leaving the gym pool early to work on the project he is building using his table saw, he’s white.

  105. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Media don’t like it when a war closes down, so yes – punishment.

    Everyone in Media should get a Taliban treatment for great justice!

    • Agree: J.Ross
  106. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me
    @Altai

    @11 Altai: Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries. I don't believe the enslaved European boys were allowed to breed (at least not as Janissaries) but some may have done. Either way, having one White great-grandparent does not a European make. With the exception of the educated upper classes, who aren't trying to emigrate to Europe anyhow (I knew a few of them in the Turkish diplomatic service), most of those applying for dual citizenship are Turkish both genetically and culturally.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    Those Turks who have White genetics and/or features primarily have them maternally, via White women taken as slaves for centuries.

    This is not true. The early Türks in central asia had white features and they were inherited paternally from Indo-Iranians like Scythians. The earliest descriptions of the Xiongnu (early Turks) describe them as having blond and red hair. The medieval Yenisei Kirghiz in western China were described as blond and blue eyed, large nosed and tall — black hair was seen as a sign of “bad luck” among them. And the leader of the Gokturk Khaganate, Muqan Qaghan, was pale and blue eyed.

    Linking all of these people is the inheritance of Indo-Iranian paternal DNA, and specifically, haplogroup R1a.

  107. @James Speaks
    @Not Raul

    The oft cited Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is some guy sitting in an apartment in London playing on his laptop with "information" that MI6 feeds him. For example, did you know that the White Helmets are the good guys?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Let us never forget the Syrian Lesbian, who like all the other Lesbians on the internet turned out to be a fat bearded Scottish dude, but not before become the darling of Those Who Know Better Than You.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  108. @Adamant
    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @S. Anonyia

    Just because their culture sucks doesn’t mean they aren’t white. Change their clothes, give them a shave, and drop them off in a random city or suburb anywhere in the US outside of the fairly Germanic upper Midwest and plains states and most of them will be regarded as white if they don’t open their mouth and start talking.

    Europeans are generally lighter complected than Americans and more aware of small differences so perceptions may be different there.

    Note: this doesn’t mean they should be dropped off here. Their culture still sucks. Most gypsies also look white to me, but I don’t want them around.

  109. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    Everything you’re saying is untrue.

    Western Turks have the lowest European DNA percentage.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c6d35a6c30392590a7b99a17da928bd0

    Red hair and European features came to Turkey from central Asia, along with east Eurasian ancestry, because the central Asian turks were a hybrid population created through the mixing of Indo-Iranians (of a European appearance) with East Asians. This is reflected in the genetics of groups like the Kyrgyz, whose ancestors (the Yenisei Kirghiz) were described as red haired, blond, blue eyed, tall nosed, etc. The early Gokturk leader Muqan Qaghan was described as pale and blue eyed, and the leader of the eastern Xiongnu (Liu Yuan) was tall and red bearded. The mixing occured primarily through the mating of Indo-Iranian males with East Eurasian females, as shown by modern genetic studies and historical records from China.

  110. “Probably somebody should ask Ol’ Joe about whether they will become eligible for affirmative action before inviting in all these Afghans.”

    Someone did but Biden couldn’t remember the question:

  111. @Coemgen
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "...crock chamber pot..."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you, Coemgen, much better. I don’t know what I was thinking of.

    • LOL: Coemgen
  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    This clip is really funny.

    https://twitter.com/dulltakes/status/1427773113727651843

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Johnny. I’ll say that this guy had less chance of getting his ass kicked than that The Verve skinny guy. I am amazed that he got through that Bitter Sweet Symphony video with no black eye. It would have made a better video if he ran into one of The Clash or the Sex Pistols and the whole bloody band bloodied him up. Maybe that would have gotten me to buy the CD.

  113. Increasingly reliable way of telling if anyone is White:
    Ask them.
    Although being White has advantages, identifying as White has only downsides. No one is going to say “I’m White” unless they’re wholeheartedly and sincerely White. Never mind 23andme, we all know who we are, all you have to do is ask.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Alfa158

    I got called by a pollster for the first time in my life a couple days ago and at the end she gave me a list of races. I told her sign me up for African-American I guess since that's the only American on your list.

  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/mattxiv/status/1428087776134713344

    Replies: @El Dato

    …. and they should have given chastity belts to gays instead.

  115. @oliver elkington
    I sometimes think that "Whiteness" is seen more as the way a people act more than actual colour, it is why Sicilians and Cypriots are generally seen as White despite in my view to be barely any lighter in general than Afghans. Afghans seem to have many White traits like light eyes, often lighter skin and brown hair, they are about as far removed from European Whites as Somalians in their general behaviour and outlook but that does not mean that if Afghanistan ever becomes in the future a more advanced nation and escapes the grip of the Taliban it wont be viewed as a White nation.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dutch Boy

    Whiteness as commonly understood has a cultural (in this case, European) component as well as a skin color component. The contrast between Sicilians and Afghans in this regard is apt. BTW I traveled extensively in Italy and a bit in Sicily a few years ago and found the people to be generically European in appearance and not the swarthy stereotype of Italians that many Americans believe. I also noticed a large component of very attractive women.

    • Replies: @oliver elkington
    @Dutch Boy

    Italy generally has a very advanced culture when compared to say Arab states or most African ones, you can travel safely and easily without any issue whatsoever unlike vast portions of other countries, Turkey for instance has a much worse developed public transport system than Italy or most European countries. Corruption is greater in the south of Italy but still only 10% as bad as it is even in the countries most adjacent to Italy like Algeria. I don't know what you mean by European in appearance but i will say that the south of the country is probably similar to the south of Portugal which i have visited, i was struck to an extent by the proportion of native people who were not swarthy in the Indian sense but quite dark and often gave me impressions of Kurds or Arabs, some of the women i did find attractive, indeed some Arab women can be really attractive but in general the Spaniards tend to be better looking and with more clear cut central European looks especially in the North and in Madrid.

  116. @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV
    Of course Afghans are NOT White. Not even close.
    White people are strictly descended from Christian Europeans. That's it. Jews aren't White either. Jews are, in fact, the deadly enemies of Whites.
    We should never have been in Afghanistan to begin with. They had nothing to do with 9/11. That was an inside job in partnership with the Mossad.
    Afghans are primitive third-world savages, and there is no way we could ever have achieved ANY of our alleged goals in that hellhole. Nor should we have even tried.
    We have invaded and destroyed country after country at the behest of our traitorous neoCon Deep State. It has all been a disaster based on Leftist lies and false assumptions; all of which have been embraced by a cowardly Republican establishment.
    We should NOT welcome ANY Afghan refugees into the U.S. We have too many hostile, third-world savages as it is. Instead of welcoming more of these scum, we need to be expelling as many third-world enemies as possible; especially those from Africa, Asian and Mexico. They are destroying this country and have been weaponized by a hostile, neoCon Deep State.
    The war we need to fight is at home. All these insane wars have to stop. ALL of our soldiers need to come home.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    Ashkenazi Jews have DNA that’s very similar to Italians. If Italians are white, Jews are white. Keep in mind there are hundreds of ethnicities and nationalities but very few races….basically white, black and Asian. Jews are far closer to white than the other two, more so than Afghans who are on the border of being Asian.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Jay Fink

    Good point.

    Afghans are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid, but not really white.
    Mexicans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid racial mix.
    Puerto Ricans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid/Negroid mixed raced population

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    , @ATBOTL
    @Jay Fink

    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests. That's not a deal white people are going to take anymore. Only we can define our identity and Jews have no say in it.

    Replies: @Dissident, @Jay Fink

  117. @Flip
    @WigWig


    Richard Burton passed as an Afghan in his Arabian travels (admittedly, he did have an unusually dark complexion for an Englishman)
     
    The Welsh tend to be darker.

    Replies: @HA

    “The Welsh tend to be darker.”

    It was Richard Burton the actor who was Welsh. Richard Burton the explorer was Anglo-Irish.

    • Agree: Gordo
  118. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Maybe it’s just part of The Running of the Toxic White Man routine, so pleasing to Obama, Rice, Jarrett, Holder, et al.

    But Blinken, the Secretary of the Shambling Empire, and his sidekick, Austin, the Secretary of Defencelessness, hope to emerge blameless, as they try to blame it all on Old Joe’s fecklessness.

    But I must wonder, who is pulling the strings? Obama wanted Joe ‘cause his cabal could lead him by the nose, as his only utility is as the Public Notary, signing off on whatever they put in front of him. Ah, but Kamala? How about Kamala getting put in the Big Chair after Joe either gets 25th, or resigns, and then Hillary gets put into the VP slot (the President Who Should Have Been)?

    Kamala is clearly a modern day equivalent of Aethelred the Unready, so Hillary would be a trusted, steady hand for the Deep State to have in place, sort of like Cheney, who got the Deep State’s business attended to. And if something would happen to Kamala, well, Hillary would be in like Flynn. (Don’t know if you noticed, but while Joe was in hiding, the ol’ SOS, Hillary, was talking with Canada’s BoyMan, Trudeau, cutting Kamala out of the loop, during this Time of Crisis, don’t you know). Wetting her lips, perhaps; and a final Fuck You to Obama, who jumped the line.

  119. “One of the oldest tricks in the movie-writing book,…is to make your hero sympathetic by making him not quite smart enough for the predicament he is in.”

    With the result being Forest Gump?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Billy Wilder movies tend to go for the "not quite smart enough" protagonist: Fred MacMurray in Double Indemnity, William Holden in Sunset Boulevard, Jack Lemmon in The Apartment (IIRC). It's a really good way to appeal to audiences with a sad story.

    Even more appealing is the not quite smart enough hero who triumphs in the end by having a better character: e.g., Rocky.

  120. @Alden
    @Altai

    Isn’t dual citizenship dependent on both countries agreeing to it? The Balkans and SE Europe were treated abominably during the centuries of Turkish occupation. The hatred and fear is still there. Do those countries want an invasion of Muslim chauvinist Turks? Look how the German Turks behave after 3 generations.

    Replies: @Malla

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general. The pre-Mughal Delhi Sultanate was predominantly Turkish.

    There are some Hindu organisations who even celebrate and respect Queen-Empress Victoria for liberating Hindus from brutal Islamic rule.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hindu-sena-queen-victoria-islamic-invaders-1436717-2019-01-22
    Queen Victoria rid India of Islamic invaders: Hindu Sena celebrates death anniversary

    The leftist media is calling it “bizarre”.
    “In its invite that is circulating on social media, Hindu Sena also declared the 1857 as the year in which India gained independence in the truest sense.” Members of the Hindu Sena praised Queen Victoria, saying it was she who “freed India from the autocratic rule of the Mughals.”

    It states, “Britishers under the dynamic leadership of Empress Victoria brought hundreds of princely states under one umbrella and became one country under one law.”

    The spokesperson of the Hindu Sena said: “Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru could raise their voice because it was not an autocratic government. They gave Indians the first taste of freedom by allowing local self-governance in 1882.”

    Hail Queen Victoria
    Hindu sena believes Britishers were rsponsible 4 the development of India & they threw Islamic rule out of our land
    As a mark of rspct towards Empress Victoria we r paying her tribute on her death anniversary on 22.01.2019, 1:00pm, @ Jantar Mantar, New Delhi pic.twitter.com/VJDNV1wWwv

    – HINDU SENA (@HinduSenaOrg) January 20, 2019
    “The Britishers did not destroy our temples like the others did…They gave us the law which we follow even today,” Mr Yadav claimed.

    He also claimed that the imperial army strived for equality among all castes in India. “They (the British) formed the Mahar regiment. Earlier, in Bengal Presidency, only people belonging to upper castes were allowed to enlist in the army,” he claimed, adding “if there is a gentlemanly race in the world, it is the British.”

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Malla

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general.

    And remarkably little ill will towards British; looking at all the love shown towards Cricket, English language and Britain.

    Replies: @Malla

  121. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    I think it's much more likely that Hanania is trying to show how much more virtuous he is than others on the Right.

    Or maybe the tweet above is right about him being biased by hate, or at least antipathy, toward heartland white Americans. Not exactly hard to see why an Arab, especially a Palestinian, would feel that way.

    But I don't know that much about him, so maybe he really is that ridiculously unobservant and naive.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    No, he’s a Dick through and through and I doubt he cares much about virtue or showing it. The problem is that the bigotry obscures what is otherwise a perceptive and original mind. As with more or less his whole milieu he has very little way of knowing anything different. That has something do with being Pali (thought he was Lebanese?) but more with being educated at Columbia.

    We don’t exist in their world. That can have its advantages for us, but it doesn’t help Dick get a clearer picture of things.

  122. @Alfa158
    Increasingly reliable way of telling if anyone is White:
    Ask them.
    Although being White has advantages, identifying as White has only downsides. No one is going to say “I’m White” unless they’re wholeheartedly and sincerely White. Never mind 23andme, we all know who we are, all you have to do is ask.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I got called by a pollster for the first time in my life a couple days ago and at the end she gave me a list of races. I told her sign me up for African-American I guess since that’s the only American on your list.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  123. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    No, to damage him.

    The Derp State selected him to take down Trump. Now he’s superfluous and more popular than their preferred figurehead.

    Time to go. Next in line are Harris and Pelosi and well, see New Zealand for what that’s going to look like.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    I vaguely remember kiwis on 4chan describing that. Wasn't Ahern unelectable, some kind of backbench nothing, then she was promoted into position, and the prime minister was forced out? They couldn't get their pets elected so they set up a process.
    And then by coincidence came the shooting, and the international press adoration.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  124. @Joe Stalin
    Biden is no Teddy Roosevelt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rRgx3hRwK4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLFFNtpZfnE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcm8vzGQWF8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon

    An entertaining movie that played fast-and-loose with history. The character that Candace Bergen was based on was actually a dude. And of course, there was no incursion of US Marines into Morocco, nor did they get into a dust-up with some kind of Willhelmanian Afrika Korps. But John Milius wanted to have been a Marine fighting the Hun in Belleau Wood, so he made all that stuff up.

  125. @Ian Smith
    @Desiderius

    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed. 😖

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Anonymous

    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed.

    Only if we listen to halfwits like you. As a knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtard, I have to say that those of us not afflicted with your limp, supine, weak, and cowardly perspective will work assiduously on restoring the constitutional republic we were bequeathed until we win it back.

    You are an auxiliary of the Left. Lenin spoke of you.

    Stay out of the way, and STFU. We will win this without your help. And you won’t admit your stupid musings gave aid and comfort to our enemies. But you will reap the benefits as if you had helped. But hey, you and your patron-surrender-saint John Derbyshire can commiserate on how brilliant you are sharing your incisive and morale-sapping observations.

    Western Civilization was built in spite of you and your fellow travelers. And it will triumph in spite of you and your fellow fellow travelers.

    • LOL: Ian Smith
  126. On the subject of Rudyards, Rudyard, Montana is the only municipality* in the US which is antipodal to dry land. Not just any dry land, but Steve’s favorite choice for his very own Jurassic Park, the Kerguelen Islands.

    Rudyard was indeed named after Kipling, in 1910.

    *No grief about Honolulu, which is not a municipality by law.

  127. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this. Have you noticed that, despite being on a criminally inappropriate vacation, he's forced hinself through carcrash interviews and informationless press conferences almost every day? There's supposed to be another one today. Are they doing that to punish him?

    Replies: @Barnard, @Alden, @El Dato, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Desiderius, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this.

    Glenn Greenwald says it is because the Intel Community did not want an exit, so they flusterclucked it to punish Biden for straying from the expert path. Hence, Biden must be the fall guy. The MSM have closer ties to the CIA than the DNC.

    Lara Logan says this is planned because this is what the deep state wants. She does not know why.

    Obama preferred policies that furthered Islamic Supremacism, and this is an other instance of the same. Maybe that accounts for what we see.

    The default posture of an honest skeptic is to assume that stupidity, negligence, or ignorance best explain bad outcomes. But who can believe that anyone could be stupid, negligent, or ignorant enough to explain this Afghanistan-pullout fiasco?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    That all sounds about right. Generals and intel were under the impression that the Afghan project was working.

  128. @Malla
    The Kalash like the earlier Kaffiristanis have a religion more closer to the earlier primordial vedic Hinduism than the Purranic Hinduism which came later and is now the common form of Hinduism in India today. For example in the movie 'Man Who Would be King', the Kaffiristanis worship a Gid named Imbra which matches Vedic prime god Indra, who is cognate to Germanic Thor/Donnar, Slavic Perun and Greek Zeus.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    the Kaffiristanis worship a Gid named Imbra

    They worship an ovine disease? Sounds pretty woolly to me. Shear madness. Mutton ewe ever want to experience yourself.

    Cœnurosis, also known as: Gid…

  129. @Malla
    @Alden

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general. The pre-Mughal Delhi Sultanate was predominantly Turkish.

    There are some Hindu organisations who even celebrate and respect Queen-Empress Victoria for liberating Hindus from brutal Islamic rule.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hindu-sena-queen-victoria-islamic-invaders-1436717-2019-01-22
    Queen Victoria rid India of Islamic invaders: Hindu Sena celebrates death anniversary

    The leftist media is calling it "bizarre".
    "In its invite that is circulating on social media, Hindu Sena also declared the 1857 as the year in which India gained independence in the truest sense." Members of the Hindu Sena praised Queen Victoria, saying it was she who "freed India from the autocratic rule of the Mughals."

    https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/201901/hindu_sena-x988.jpeg

    It states, "Britishers under the dynamic leadership of Empress Victoria brought hundreds of princely states under one umbrella and became one country under one law."

    The spokesperson of the Hindu Sena said: "Leaders like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru could raise their voice because it was not an autocratic government. They gave Indians the first taste of freedom by allowing local self-governance in 1882."

    https://c.ndtvimg.com/2019-01/hsqp75to_hindu-sena-pays-tribute-to-queen-victoria-twitter_625x300_23_January_19.jpg

    Hail Queen Victoria
    Hindu sena believes Britishers were rsponsible 4 the development of India & they threw Islamic rule out of our land
    As a mark of rspct towards Empress Victoria we r paying her tribute on her death anniversary on 22.01.2019, 1:00pm, @ Jantar Mantar, New Delhi pic.twitter.com/VJDNV1wWwv

    - HINDU SENA (@HinduSenaOrg) January 20, 2019
    "The Britishers did not destroy our temples like the others did...They gave us the law which we follow even today," Mr Yadav claimed.

    He also claimed that the imperial army strived for equality among all castes in India. "They (the British) formed the Mahar regiment. Earlier, in Bengal Presidency, only people belonging to upper castes were allowed to enlist in the army," he claimed, adding "if there is a gentlemanly race in the world, it is the British."

    Replies: @epebble

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general.

    And remarkably little ill will towards British; looking at all the love shown towards Cricket, English language and Britain.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Malla
    @epebble

    There is a lot of ill-will because of all the lies and anti-colonial propaganda in our textbooks and media. What the Hindu Sena are saying is the truth. As far as Muslims even though there is animosity, Hindu and Muslim cultures intermixed enormously in food, music etc... and those cultural influences still exist in Indians of all religions. Of course in this mix are the British cultural influences, far less as it should have been because after the mutiny the British became more distant and reduced interference in Indian cultural and religious affairs. Same with the Dutch. The French and more so the Portuguese and Spanish mixed more with the natives of their Empires and influenced culture more. However British cultural influences still exist (English language, cricket, teas & biscuits etc...among many) and sometimes its depth of influence is unknown by many. For example the influence on South Indian Carnatic Classical music of British Sea Shanties!!!! Indeed one major Hindu God in South India is paraded to traditional South Indian music which is highly influenced by the English song "He is a Jolly good Fellow"!!!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  130. @Polistra
    @Kuru

    Coincidentally enough, I just read this story about the endless benefits of diversity in NYC, and frankly my head is spinning. Here's the whitest person in the case (including the judge) and he even has a white guy name.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Jacob-Milton-YouTube-screenshot-courtesy-of-Academy-for-Cultural-Diplomacy-768x490.jpg

    Convicted conman who served time for grand larceny successfully sues his victims for $12M and wins

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/convicted-conman-who-served-time-for-grand-larceny-successfully-sues-his-victims-for-12m-and-wins/

    Another mortgage broker up to the usual shenanigans. He sued the Alvarez family for complaining about his con job and getting him sent to prison for it. But of course! Who wants to go to prison?

    Replies: @CCG

    His British name and his physical appearance makes me conclude that he’s a Christian from South Asia.

  131. @Anonymous
    There is a small remaining outpost of the original government in Peshewar. Not that far from Kafiristan. It is essentially Tajik and the sole remaining outpost of what was once the Northern Alliance.

    Being cynical, I would think the US will figure a way to trade it for getting its hosta...people out of Kabul. But probably the Taliban figures they have things in control anyhow.

    Still surprised we screwed up the exit so badly. Not surprised that it was tricky. Or that life will suck for Afghans who remain. But surprised that (given how fucking crushingly obvious it was that things might get sticky) that we did such a poor job of planning how to jack our people out of there before leaving the Afghans holding the bag. At least attempted it better, war gamed it more, whatever. Listening to people bleat about "couldn't be predicted" makes me want to haze me some generals and politicians. Pushups until the arms fail...and then a run...and just fucking wear them down...soft pussies.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Why are you assuming that all this was a mistake?
    Leaving one’s guns unspiked?

    The Hajjis have just acquired (e.g.) about a dozen shiny Blackhawks. ISI groundcrews from over the eastern border could probably maintain them long enough to avoid any subsequent illiterate goatherd/computerised whirlybird hilarity. Five minutes with a few gallons of gas would have sorted it, if it wasn’t deliberate.

    Some people in a position to direct things, both to the west of the country and further east, are going to do rather well out of it, I expect.

  132. @Ian Smith
    @Desiderius

    I sympathize with Hanania in being exasperated with both woke urbanite bugmen and knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country. We really are doomed. 😖

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Anonymous

    “Ian Smith says:
    knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country”
    Reconcile.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Anonymous

    What do you mean? What am I supposed to reconcile? I’m against open borders, drag queen story hour, and allowing feral Bantus to rip apart the country. I’m also against the kind of people who think that COVID is a Chi-com bio weapon that is also just the flu. It is possible to hold both positions without any contradiction.

  133. @Bardon Kaldian
    By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn't the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque .....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWRkhKNCdOI

    Replies: @Kuru

    By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn’t the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque …..

    Not Iran, but related anyway,

    Afghanistan’s accidental gay pride

    How… are we supposed to make sense of the recent very conspicuous appearance of the rainbow-coloured gay pride symbols all over the streets of Kabul and other urban centres?

    The pioneer Afghan Pajhwok news agency took it upon itself to investigate this unusual sociocultural phenomenon, sending a reporter to interview drivers who had decorated their cars with gay pride stickers and rear banners. After all, these Chinese-made car accessories had suddenly become popular, available in any garage supplying vehicle parts.

    Even more remarkably, Afghan drivers seemed to have little concern about using their cars to openly advertise being gay and proud of it. In a country where social conservatism sometimes results in gay men sharing their life with their partner of choice and an arranged wife so as to keep up appearances, there was certainly something very unusual about this apparently new openness.

    Needless to say, Pajhwok’s reporter soon discovered that Afghans who had decorated their cars with the rainbow symbol had no idea what it stood for. For them it was just the newest car fashion accessory but, on learning of its meaning in the west, drivers immediately started removing it.

    The rainbow stickers had first arrived on secondhand cars imported from Canada. Afghans had simply assumed that the colour combination was the latest fashion fad in the west, and duly adopted it.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Kuru

    It's almost as if rainbows are beautiful (which is why gays co-opted them).

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Kuru

    Afgaynistan?

  134. @Jonathan Mason
    Afghans might be a whiter shade of pale, but I think they should probably be classified as off-white or even taupe.

    Still, they play quite a decent game of cricket, which is the important thing.

    Replies: @Kylie, @YetAnotherAnon

    I believe cricket is haram as far as the Taleban are concerned. Pity. Imran Khan, a Pakistani Pashtun, was a great cricketer and a pretty impressive performer in other areas. His cousin Majid Khan was a great cricketer too.

    “Majid’s father, Dr. Jahangir Khan, famously killed a bird in flight while bowling during an MCC vs. Cambridge University match in 1936.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Who was the baseball player who killed a bird in flight with a throw? Dave Winfield? Darryl Strawberry?

    OK, it was 6'10" fastballer Randy Johnson:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNZg2xwl54

    Replies: @MC

  135. @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    No, to damage him.

    The Derp State selected him to take down Trump. Now he's superfluous and more popular than their preferred figurehead.

    Time to go. Next in line are Harris and Pelosi and well, see New Zealand for what that's going to look like.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I vaguely remember kiwis on 4chan describing that. Wasn’t Ahern unelectable, some kind of backbench nothing, then she was promoted into position, and the prime minister was forced out? They couldn’t get their pets elected so they set up a process.
    And then by coincidence came the shooting, and the international press adoration.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    You know, not every single chain of random events was actually plotted out by malign geniuses ahead of time.

    Sometimes, stuff just happens.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

  136. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    I vaguely remember kiwis on 4chan describing that. Wasn't Ahern unelectable, some kind of backbench nothing, then she was promoted into position, and the prime minister was forced out? They couldn't get their pets elected so they set up a process.
    And then by coincidence came the shooting, and the international press adoration.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You know, not every single chain of random events was actually plotted out by malign geniuses ahead of time.

    Sometimes, stuff just happens.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    And then it happens again in the same sequence involving the same actors and with the same results.
    The time to appeal to normality was back when handshaking was legal and a father wasn't going to get assaulted by three police officers for saying goodbye to his daughter. Are you wearing your mask? You'd better have your mask. Even if vaccinated. Three stores my employer let me visit today. All had signs at the door: masks required for all even if jabbed.
    Hey Steve, you know what's funny about you fantasizing about having lunch with David Brooks, is that if he saw me he would instantly recognize and dismiss me as there to clear his table, but if he saw you he would call the cops, and you would be all like, "but I just want to talk about statistics ..."

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    And sometimes there are patterns that are recognizable. My guess would be neither malign nor genius, but in the case that doesn't exactly help us.

    Too soon to say.

  137. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jonathan Mason

    I believe cricket is haram as far as the Taleban are concerned. Pity. Imran Khan, a Pakistani Pashtun, was a great cricketer and a pretty impressive performer in other areas. His cousin Majid Khan was a great cricketer too.

    "Majid's father, Dr. Jahangir Khan, famously killed a bird in flight while bowling during an MCC vs. Cambridge University match in 1936."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Who was the baseball player who killed a bird in flight with a throw? Dave Winfield? Darryl Strawberry?

    OK, it was 6’10” fastballer Randy Johnson:

    • Replies: @MC
    @Steve Sailer

    Dave Winfield also killed one, it just wasn't caught on tape.
    https://www.cbc.ca/archives/dave-winfield-seagull-1.5230144

  138. @Kuru
    @Bardon Kaldian


    By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn’t the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque …..
     
    Not Iran, but related anyway,

    Afghanistan's accidental gay pride

    How... are we supposed to make sense of the recent very conspicuous appearance of the rainbow-coloured gay pride symbols all over the streets of Kabul and other urban centres?

    The pioneer Afghan Pajhwok news agency took it upon itself to investigate this unusual sociocultural phenomenon, sending a reporter to interview drivers who had decorated their cars with gay pride stickers and rear banners. After all, these Chinese-made car accessories had suddenly become popular, available in any garage supplying vehicle parts.

    Even more remarkably, Afghan drivers seemed to have little concern about using their cars to openly advertise being gay and proud of it. In a country where social conservatism sometimes results in gay men sharing their life with their partner of choice and an arranged wife so as to keep up appearances, there was certainly something very unusual about this apparently new openness.

    Needless to say, Pajhwok's reporter soon discovered that Afghans who had decorated their cars with the rainbow symbol had no idea what it stood for. For them it was just the newest car fashion accessory but, on learning of its meaning in the west, drivers immediately started removing it.

    The rainbow stickers had first arrived on secondhand cars imported from Canada. Afghans had simply assumed that the colour combination was the latest fashion fad in the west, and duly adopted it.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s almost as if rainbows are beautiful (which is why gays co-opted them).

  139. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "One of the oldest tricks in the movie-writing book,...is to make your hero sympathetic by making him not quite smart enough for the predicament he is in."

    With the result being Forest Gump?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Billy Wilder movies tend to go for the “not quite smart enough” protagonist: Fred MacMurray in Double Indemnity, William Holden in Sunset Boulevard, Jack Lemmon in The Apartment (IIRC). It’s a really good way to appeal to audiences with a sad story.

    Even more appealing is the not quite smart enough hero who triumphs in the end by having a better character: e.g., Rocky.

  140. @Bardon Kaldian
    Funny that Steve has taken Kipling, of all people, to discuss whiteness.

    Kipling!

    Sigh ...

    https://orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip

    George Orwell

    Rudyard Kipling
    ...........................

    How far does Kipling really identify himself with the administrators, soldiers and engineers whose praises he sings? Not so completely as is sometimes assumed. He had traveled very widely while he was still a young man, he had grown up with a brilliant mind in mainly philistine surroundings, and some streak in him that may have been partly neurotic led him to prefer the active man to the sensitive man. The nineteenth-century Anglo-Indians, to name the least sympathetic of his idols, were at any rate people who did things. It may be that all that they did was evil, but they changed the face of the earth (it is instructive to look at a map of Asia and compare the railway system of India with that of the surrounding countries), whereas they could have achieved nothing, could not have maintained themselves in power for a single week, if the normal Anglo-Indian outlook had been that of, say, E.M. Forster. Tawdry and shallow though it is, Kipling's is the only literary picture that we possess of nineteenth-century Anglo-India, and he could only make it because he was just coarse enough to be able to exist and keep his mouth shut in clubs and regimental messes. But he did not greatly resemble the people he admired. I know from several private sources that many of the Anglo-Indians who were Kipling's contemporaries did not like or approve of him. They said, no doubt truly, that he knew nothing about India, and on the other hand, he was from their point of view too much of a highbrow. While in India he tended to mix with ‘the wrong’ people, and because of his dark complexion he was wrongly suspected of having a streak of Asiatic blood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Kipling liked belonging to the Lahore Masonic lodge that included a Hindu, a Sikh, a Muslim, an Aden Jew, and an Iberian Catholic.

    The most similar personality of my lifetime was Joe Strummer of the Clash, whose mother was Scottish and whose father, a member of MI-6 and friend of Kim Philby, was born in Peshawar of mixed English and Armenian and Jewish descent. Strummer identified as a man of the left, but Sir Ridley Scott correctly identified his more fundamental likeness to Kipling.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps wackos who are obsessed with Masons are onto something, after all...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  141. @epebble
    @Malla

    There is a similar hatred, fear and distaste among a billion Hindus too about Turks and Muslims in general.

    And remarkably little ill will towards British; looking at all the love shown towards Cricket, English language and Britain.

    Replies: @Malla

    There is a lot of ill-will because of all the lies and anti-colonial propaganda in our textbooks and media. What the Hindu Sena are saying is the truth. As far as Muslims even though there is animosity, Hindu and Muslim cultures intermixed enormously in food, music etc… and those cultural influences still exist in Indians of all religions. Of course in this mix are the British cultural influences, far less as it should have been because after the mutiny the British became more distant and reduced interference in Indian cultural and religious affairs. Same with the Dutch. The French and more so the Portuguese and Spanish mixed more with the natives of their Empires and influenced culture more. However British cultural influences still exist (English language, cricket, teas & biscuits etc…among many) and sometimes its depth of influence is unknown by many. For example the influence on South Indian Carnatic Classical music of British Sea Shanties!!!! Indeed one major Hindu God in South India is paraded to traditional South Indian music which is highly influenced by the English song “He is a Jolly good Fellow”!!!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?

    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

  142. @Bardon Kaldian
    The question is basically meaningless. Many contemporary true Europeans, for instance Greeks, Italians, English, French, Russians,... don't look terribly white. The whitest are central Slavs and Scandinavians. On the other hand, from England to Russia, you can find "ethnically ambiguous" loads of people, from entertainers like McShane to historical figures like Peter the Great.

    Simply, you won't get visually too much white people who are not to some degree ambiguous.

    And Kipling himself was suspect, socially, because of his dark complexion.

    Replies: @Stealth

    If by white you mean having the fairest skin on average, I would say the English have everyone but the Scots and the Irish beaten. They probably have the most stereotypically European facial features as well.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    @Stealth

    To me, the Scots, Dutch, Baltic ethnics and Scandinavians - excluding the Sami - have the most quintessential European phenotype; the very light complexion and very light blonde hair.

    The Blonde look found in the Baltics and Scandinavia is uniquely European.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Kipling liked belonging to the Lahore Masonic lodge that included a Hindu, a Sikh, a Muslim, an Aden Jew, and an Iberian Catholic.

    The most similar personality of my lifetime was Joe Strummer of the Clash, whose mother was Scottish and whose father, a member of MI-6 and friend of Kim Philby, was born in Peshawar of mixed English and Armenian and Jewish descent. Strummer identified as a man of the left, but Sir Ridley Scott correctly identified his more fundamental likeness to Kipling.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Perhaps wackos who are obsessed with Masons are onto something, after all…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I also wonder now, Bardon. The Man Who Would Be King sure would get one to believe in this stuff. After all, the Masons saved Sean Connery's ass... the first time, anyway. Then, it's just a movie, though I ought to read the book now.

    I always did think the Masonic evil conspiracy stuff was just kind of wacky, only because I have no familiarity with it, I guess. I always thought they just raise money and have drinks at the lodge. As much as I appreciate good honest manual work, I do not understand why people who can lay bricks straight are the root of some occult huge mysterious operation that goes back to BC times. They ought to have a Prostitutes lodge with golden, I dunno, tittie rings with special symbols, it being the oldest profession and all... I mean, it'd be easy to raise money - beats selling eyeglasses... or what, cinder blocks, or, oh I got it!

    Masonite Siding! Was that the big conspiracy? Cause, yeah, that stuff is nothing but cardboard crap. Get you some Hardeeplank. I hear tell the Hardie Boys lodge goes back to the rein of Pope Bentadick I, with their material invented to keep out the Afghan hordes.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  144. @Kuru
    @Bardon Kaldian


    By the way, Iranian psychedelic mosque in Shiraz is called pink mosque. Hasn’t the time come to re-name it to the LBGQWERTY mosque …..
     
    Not Iran, but related anyway,

    Afghanistan's accidental gay pride

    How... are we supposed to make sense of the recent very conspicuous appearance of the rainbow-coloured gay pride symbols all over the streets of Kabul and other urban centres?

    The pioneer Afghan Pajhwok news agency took it upon itself to investigate this unusual sociocultural phenomenon, sending a reporter to interview drivers who had decorated their cars with gay pride stickers and rear banners. After all, these Chinese-made car accessories had suddenly become popular, available in any garage supplying vehicle parts.

    Even more remarkably, Afghan drivers seemed to have little concern about using their cars to openly advertise being gay and proud of it. In a country where social conservatism sometimes results in gay men sharing their life with their partner of choice and an arranged wife so as to keep up appearances, there was certainly something very unusual about this apparently new openness.

    Needless to say, Pajhwok's reporter soon discovered that Afghans who had decorated their cars with the rainbow symbol had no idea what it stood for. For them it was just the newest car fashion accessory but, on learning of its meaning in the west, drivers immediately started removing it.

    The rainbow stickers had first arrived on secondhand cars imported from Canada. Afghans had simply assumed that the colour combination was the latest fashion fad in the west, and duly adopted it.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    Afgaynistan?

  145. @Kuru

    They might be Caucasians but they ain’t White.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/76ATZHH.jpeg

    Replies: @Polistra, @El Dato, @Dmon, @Wokechoke, @3g4me, @Currahee, @Bardon Kaldian, @Not Raul, @Elsewhere, @YetAnotherAnon

    I imagine Google’s Pashto translation is still a bit sketchy regarding context – probably “pure” is a better translation than “clean”.

  146. • Replies: @Dissident
    @Foreign Expert


    Kipling had lunch with Mark Twain.
     
    Rudyard Kipling, “An Interview with Mark Twain”

    Librivox audio version, read by the superb Twain specialist John Greenman can be found at:
    Mark Twain: The Complete Interviews
  147. @Jay Fink
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Ashkenazi Jews have DNA that's very similar to Italians. If Italians are white, Jews are white. Keep in mind there are hundreds of ethnicities and nationalities but very few races....basically white, black and Asian. Jews are far closer to white than the other two, more so than Afghans who are on the border of being Asian.

    Replies: @Travis, @ATBOTL

    Good point.

    Afghans are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid, but not really white.
    Mexicans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid racial mix.
    Puerto Ricans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid/Negroid mixed raced population

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Travis

    Interesting about Puerto Ricans. I take it the Caribbean is the only place in the world where you can find mixes of all 3 major races. Although in several of the countries Negroids dominate.

  148. @Anonymous
    @Ian Smith

    "Ian Smith says:
    knuckle dragging, Q-Anon believing MAGAtards in flyover country"
    Reconcile.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    What do you mean? What am I supposed to reconcile? I’m against open borders, drag queen story hour, and allowing feral Bantus to rip apart the country. I’m also against the kind of people who think that COVID is a Chi-com bio weapon that is also just the flu. It is possible to hold both positions without any contradiction.

  149. @Stealth
    @Bardon Kaldian

    If by white you mean having the fairest skin on average, I would say the English have everyone but the Scots and the Irish beaten. They probably have the most stereotypically European facial features as well.

    Replies: @greysquirrell

    To me, the Scots, Dutch, Baltic ethnics and Scandinavians – excluding the Sami – have the most quintessential European phenotype; the very light complexion and very light blonde hair.

    The Blonde look found in the Baltics and Scandinavia is uniquely European.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @greysquirrell

    Strongly disagree.

    Blonde Scandinavians are an urban legend. This is a map showing the distribution of the "platinum blond" gene across Eurasia, shaded in yellow on the pies (the photo of the mice shows what happens when you inject varying copies of it in to mice).


    https://i.imgur.com/VhoIqOg.jpg



    As you can see, England is home to the highest percentage of natural blondes in the world. Baltic and Scandinavian countries are about as blonde as Siberians. There are some European countries with less natural blond hair than Mongolia.

    Incidentally, the allele comes from Siberia. So it's not truly European. And as you can see, no European population has even 25% natural blond hair.

    Replies: @Malla

  150. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin
    Biden is no Teddy Roosevelt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rRgx3hRwK4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLFFNtpZfnE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcm8vzGQWF8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon

    I know a guy who used to adore that movie. His dad showed it to him. Then back earlier in the century he got an all expense paid trip to the sandbox, courtesy of the big, green Army. He got to meet real, genuine, Arabs in the streets, behind buildings and sand dunes, in courtyards…and find out what they are really like. Now he can’t stand that movie, because (to paraphrase a much longer rant) “There’s no scene with an Arab trying to bang his dinkey dick into a donkey behind a dunghill. It’s just not realistic”. This a bowlderized paraphrase, by the way.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anon

    About the only movie from that time era that even alluded to the ... "sexuality" of Arab males that I am aware of was the Micheal Caine film "Play Dirty" which showed two men who obviously attracted to each other.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx04XZGYT-M

    Replies: @anon

  151. @Dutch Boy
    @oliver elkington

    Whiteness as commonly understood has a cultural (in this case, European) component as well as a skin color component. The contrast between Sicilians and Afghans in this regard is apt. BTW I traveled extensively in Italy and a bit in Sicily a few years ago and found the people to be generically European in appearance and not the swarthy stereotype of Italians that many Americans believe. I also noticed a large component of very attractive women.

    Replies: @oliver elkington

    Italy generally has a very advanced culture when compared to say Arab states or most African ones, you can travel safely and easily without any issue whatsoever unlike vast portions of other countries, Turkey for instance has a much worse developed public transport system than Italy or most European countries. Corruption is greater in the south of Italy but still only 10% as bad as it is even in the countries most adjacent to Italy like Algeria. I don’t know what you mean by European in appearance but i will say that the south of the country is probably similar to the south of Portugal which i have visited, i was struck to an extent by the proportion of native people who were not swarthy in the Indian sense but quite dark and often gave me impressions of Kurds or Arabs, some of the women i did find attractive, indeed some Arab women can be really attractive but in general the Spaniards tend to be better looking and with more clear cut central European looks especially in the North and in Madrid.

  152. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    You know, not every single chain of random events was actually plotted out by malign geniuses ahead of time.

    Sometimes, stuff just happens.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    And then it happens again in the same sequence involving the same actors and with the same results.
    The time to appeal to normality was back when handshaking was legal and a father wasn’t going to get assaulted by three police officers for saying goodbye to his daughter. Are you wearing your mask? You’d better have your mask. Even if vaccinated. Three stores my employer let me visit today. All had signs at the door: masks required for all even if jabbed.
    Hey Steve, you know what’s funny about you fantasizing about having lunch with David Brooks, is that if he saw me he would instantly recognize and dismiss me as there to clear his table, but if he saw you he would call the cops, and you would be all like, “but I just want to talk about statistics …”

  153. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @J.Ross


    It looks like the mainstream media are turning on Biden over this.
     
    Glenn Greenwald says it is because the Intel Community did not want an exit, so they flusterclucked it to punish Biden for straying from the expert path. Hence, Biden must be the fall guy. The MSM have closer ties to the CIA than the DNC.

    Lara Logan says this is planned because this is what the deep state wants. She does not know why.

    Obama preferred policies that furthered Islamic Supremacism, and this is an other instance of the same. Maybe that accounts for what we see.

    The default posture of an honest skeptic is to assume that stupidity, negligence, or ignorance best explain bad outcomes. But who can believe that anyone could be stupid, negligent, or ignorant enough to explain this Afghanistan-pullout fiasco?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That all sounds about right. Generals and intel were under the impression that the Afghan project was working.

  154. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    You know, not every single chain of random events was actually plotted out by malign geniuses ahead of time.

    Sometimes, stuff just happens.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    And sometimes there are patterns that are recognizable. My guess would be neither malign nor genius, but in the case that doesn’t exactly help us.

    Too soon to say.

  155. @Altai
    At least some Turks are exceptions to the flight from white.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-genealogy-service-prompts-spike-in-double-citizenship-enquiries-127488


    Many Turkish citizens have taken steps to try to obtain the second citizenship, upon discovering their ancestry traced back to other countries such as Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    Millions of people have flocked to the “e-government” portal (www.turkiye.gov.tr) after Turkey launched an online genealogy service at the start of February, allowing all people with a citizenship number to learn about their ancestors with just a few clicks. The records stretch back to Ottoman records in the early 19th century.

    Upon launching the demand was so intense that the website crashed soon after launching. The site was re-launched on Feb. 14.

    After finding that their ancestry is rooted in Europe, many amateur researchers have reportedly started researching options for double citizenship.

    Many who found that their ancestry traces back to EU-member countries such as Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have been particularly keen to look into possible double citizenship opportunities. Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are also thought to be receiving citizenship applications from Turkish citizens, with many submitting legal enquiries to the justice, foreign and interior ministries of the countries, as well as their consulates and embassies in Turkey.

     

    Though it's underplayed (Ataturk, though himself likely of significant Balkan or Greek ancestry desired the creation of a ' Turkish' identity that encompassed all Turkish speakers) it's clear that many old stock West Anatolian look very European with many with more European facial features, light eyes and even red hair. I remember an old slur against Erdogan to undermine him among his more Eastern supporters and their descendants in the Western cities was to claim he was secretly Albanian just like Ataturk.

    Of course, handing out these passports is of little concern to these Balkan countries as the recipients aren't interested in anything but the EU citizenship that comes with them and a chance to live and work without restrictions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and (This article was from before Brexit) the UK.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Alden, @Cutler, @3g4me, @prosa123, @Anon, @Blade

    BS. Those Turks “from Europe” are Turkish tribes settled in the Balkans by the Ottoman Empire. So you don’t really need to “find” it through genealogy service, it is no secret as most of them were forced out through genocide and deportation just around a century ago. Ataturk himself looks nothing like a Greek or Macedonian, but just like a Karaman Turk (from whom he descends), high cheekbones, broad face, almond eyes. Typical Turkic features.

    Perhaps you might be thinking that Turks were Mongols, a common misconception among new-age morons when not intentional. But contrary to that Turks have always been migrating between Asia and Europe. Chinese records mention blue-eyed Turks while the Russian word for Kumans is Polovtsi (blonde).

    many old stock West Anatolian

    More bs. Genetic research shows that West Anatolian, particularly Southwest Anatolia is the most similar region to the Asian Turks:

    Educate yourself, moron. Even Uighurs who never left China are not pure Mongoloids: https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/uyghurs-are-hybrids

  156. @Travis
    @Jay Fink

    Good point.

    Afghans are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid, but not really white.
    Mexicans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid racial mix.
    Puerto Ricans are a Mongoloid/Caucasoid/Negroid mixed raced population

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    Interesting about Puerto Ricans. I take it the Caribbean is the only place in the world where you can find mixes of all 3 major races. Although in several of the countries Negroids dominate.

  157. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @greysquirrell
    @Stealth

    To me, the Scots, Dutch, Baltic ethnics and Scandinavians - excluding the Sami - have the most quintessential European phenotype; the very light complexion and very light blonde hair.

    The Blonde look found in the Baltics and Scandinavia is uniquely European.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Strongly disagree.

    Blonde Scandinavians are an urban legend. This is a map showing the distribution of the “platinum blond” gene across Eurasia, shaded in yellow on the pies (the photo of the mice shows what happens when you inject varying copies of it in to mice).

    As you can see, England is home to the highest percentage of natural blondes in the world. Baltic and Scandinavian countries are about as blonde as Siberians. There are some European countries with less natural blond hair than Mongolia.

    Incidentally, the allele comes from Siberia. So it’s not truly European. And as you can see, no European population has even 25% natural blond hair.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Anonymous


    Incidentally, the allele comes from Siberia. So it’s not truly European.
     
    LOL, in pre-historic times, Europe to Siberia was a continuation. Central Asia was full of blonds once upon a time.
  158. @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    I know a guy who used to adore that movie. His dad showed it to him. Then back earlier in the century he got an all expense paid trip to the sandbox, courtesy of the big, green Army. He got to meet real, genuine, Arabs in the streets, behind buildings and sand dunes, in courtyards...and find out what they are really like. Now he can't stand that movie, because (to paraphrase a much longer rant) "There's no scene with an Arab trying to bang his dinkey dick into a donkey behind a dunghill. It's just not realistic". This a bowlderized paraphrase, by the way.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    About the only movie from that time era that even alluded to the … “sexuality” of Arab males that I am aware of was the Micheal Caine film “Play Dirty” which showed two men who obviously attracted to each other.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    About the only movie from that time era...

    Dude, movies are not real. They are just stories. That is the point.

  159. @Malla
    @epebble

    There is a lot of ill-will because of all the lies and anti-colonial propaganda in our textbooks and media. What the Hindu Sena are saying is the truth. As far as Muslims even though there is animosity, Hindu and Muslim cultures intermixed enormously in food, music etc... and those cultural influences still exist in Indians of all religions. Of course in this mix are the British cultural influences, far less as it should have been because after the mutiny the British became more distant and reduced interference in Indian cultural and religious affairs. Same with the Dutch. The French and more so the Portuguese and Spanish mixed more with the natives of their Empires and influenced culture more. However British cultural influences still exist (English language, cricket, teas & biscuits etc...among many) and sometimes its depth of influence is unknown by many. For example the influence on South Indian Carnatic Classical music of British Sea Shanties!!!! Indeed one major Hindu God in South India is paraded to traditional South Indian music which is highly influenced by the English song "He is a Jolly good Fellow"!!!

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?

    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?

    • Replies: @Malla
    @JohnnyWalker123


    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?
     
    I would say 10% on average. Mostly Persian, Uzbek-Uyghur, Turkish and Arab ancestry. They form a caste of their own, an upper caste in Muslims called the Ashrafi Muslims while the rest are called Asahi Muslims. However the caste system is not as harsh as ti was in traditional Hindu culture. Many of them Ashrafi are basically a mix of foreign Muslims and upper caste Hindus including Brahmins. many Brahmans had converted to Islam either by force of sword, to gain political position, to escape Jaziya tax or out of conviction that Islam is the right religion. For example the Brahmani Sultans who fought the Hindu Kingdom of Vijaynagar. The Muslim commanders of the Vijaynagar Empire back-stabbed their Hindu King and help the Muslim enemies win.

    Replies: @Malla

    , @Malla
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?
     
    Sometimes because Muslims have a peculiar look, maybe religion and mind can have some influence on the face. But many a times you would not be able to tell apart if you did not know the name or if they did not wear typical traditional cloths.

    As far as many Muslims being more lighter in skin tone and having stronger Caucasoid facial features because of recent Persian-Uzbek-Turkish ancestry, well that is true for many upper caste Hindus too because of earlier migration ancestry like the Aryans/Scythians etc.... So many a times you cannot make them apart, sometimes you can. For foreigners, unless thay have lived in India for some time, it would be impossible to make us apart.
    For example
    The guy in the video below is Muslim and the girl in Hindu Brahmin from Gujrat, Western India. For foreigners, both are just Indians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPrtsDLg69I

    The woman dancing in the golden dress in the video below is Muslim from a royal family of Afghan/Pathan/Pastun ancestry. The two actors (at 0.26 seconds for example) are upper caste Hindus. The taller guy on the left at 0.26 seconds (NOT the bow tie guy) is from my caste, UP Kayastha.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5bEkgKTZmw

    So to most foreigners and even Indians, we are quite hard to make apart.
  160. A thread about Nuristan seems a good place to mention Sam Sloan, the Austin Powers of chess-playing polygamous taxi drivers who represent themselves before the Supreme Court.

  161. @kuru

    That tweet from @realTalibanNews has to be fake, because the guy they choose to represent an Afghan is quite famous on HBD forums going back to the 2000s. If you typed “Nuristani” into google images, his picture is one of the first to pop up. HBDers have been spamming his photo for years.

    Years back I read on an HBD forum that he is was just some European reporter or traveller who dressed up like an Afghan or Pakistani to have that picture taken. There is another guy behind him that does look like someone from Afghanistan or Pakistan’s tribal regions.

    Why would the Taliban use a google stock image rather than a picture of one of their own? Picking the whitest looking guy seems suspiciously like someone is larping.

  162. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?

    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?

    I would say 10% on average. Mostly Persian, Uzbek-Uyghur, Turkish and Arab ancestry. They form a caste of their own, an upper caste in Muslims called the Ashrafi Muslims while the rest are called Asahi Muslims. However the caste system is not as harsh as ti was in traditional Hindu culture. Many of them Ashrafi are basically a mix of foreign Muslims and upper caste Hindus including Brahmins. many Brahmans had converted to Islam either by force of sword, to gain political position, to escape Jaziya tax or out of conviction that Islam is the right religion. For example the Brahmani Sultans who fought the Hindu Kingdom of Vijaynagar. The Muslim commanders of the Vijaynagar Empire back-stabbed their Hindu King and help the Muslim enemies win.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla


    I would say 10% on average.
     
    Once the original mix population of Caucasians (Mediterranean looking Indus valley People + Nordic Aryans), Black tribes (1% Negrito, rest Australoids) and Mongoloids (Tibeto-Burmans, Cambodian Rice farmers, proto-Chinese etc..) was formed, later invasions/immigration to the Indian subcontinent did not make a significant genetic impact as after the Aryans invaded/ migrated and the Indus valley people went further inland mixing further with Australoid hunter gatherer tribes (with the Aryans following on their heels), agriculture spread throughout the subcontinent. Earlier Cambodian rice farmers had introduced rice farming in Indian subcontinent and the Iranian (Zagros Mountains) like Indus Valley people brought in wheat and barley farming while the Aryans brought the chariots, horses and cattle farming of cows (earlier it was buffalo) and dairy culture. Indian subcontinent being an awesome agricultural country, saw a massive rise in population subsequently. The Indian subcontinent became one of the major population centers of the World with the spread of agriculture and the original Caucasoid-Australoid (10-15% Mongoloid) hybrid population became the basic genetic template for the Indian subcontinent ever since. As the population of agriculturalists was very huge, all subsequent invaders or migrants could leave only a small genetic effect in the population which was already "formed" .

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  163. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?

    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    Can you tell them apart from Hindus or do they look similar?

    Sometimes because Muslims have a peculiar look, maybe religion and mind can have some influence on the face. But many a times you would not be able to tell apart if you did not know the name or if they did not wear typical traditional cloths.

    As far as many Muslims being more lighter in skin tone and having stronger Caucasoid facial features because of recent Persian-Uzbek-Turkish ancestry, well that is true for many upper caste Hindus too because of earlier migration ancestry like the Aryans/Scythians etc…. So many a times you cannot make them apart, sometimes you can. For foreigners, unless thay have lived in India for some time, it would be impossible to make us apart.
    For example
    The guy in the video below is Muslim and the girl in Hindu Brahmin from Gujrat, Western India. For foreigners, both are just Indians.

    The woman dancing in the golden dress in the video below is Muslim from a royal family of Afghan/Pathan/Pastun ancestry. The two actors (at 0.26 seconds for example) are upper caste Hindus. The taller guy on the left at 0.26 seconds (NOT the bow tie guy) is from my caste, UP Kayastha.

    So to most foreigners and even Indians, we are quite hard to make apart.

  164. @Anonymous
    @greysquirrell

    Strongly disagree.

    Blonde Scandinavians are an urban legend. This is a map showing the distribution of the "platinum blond" gene across Eurasia, shaded in yellow on the pies (the photo of the mice shows what happens when you inject varying copies of it in to mice).


    https://i.imgur.com/VhoIqOg.jpg



    As you can see, England is home to the highest percentage of natural blondes in the world. Baltic and Scandinavian countries are about as blonde as Siberians. There are some European countries with less natural blond hair than Mongolia.

    Incidentally, the allele comes from Siberia. So it's not truly European. And as you can see, no European population has even 25% natural blond hair.

    Replies: @Malla

    Incidentally, the allele comes from Siberia. So it’s not truly European.

    LOL, in pre-historic times, Europe to Siberia was a continuation. Central Asia was full of blonds once upon a time.

  165. What is also interesting about Arabs in general

    Arabs look like a hybrid Caucasoid-Australoid population (maybe some Negroid admixture, Ethiopian Empire plus black slaves ) like South Asians but the Caucasoid component seems way more higher than in the Indian subcontinent. One thing is the Jewish like Semitic nose is not that common among Iraqis.
    Quite a lot of Iraqis could pass as Mediterranean Europeans a small number even Nordic.
    0:16 seconds, Iraqi guy who hates India could easily pass as a Pakistani or North Indian
    0:48 seconds, Iraqi girl could pass as Greek I guess
    Yellow T shirt guy at 1:07 minutes who hates Serbia could pass as Pakistani or Indian.
    1:17 minutes Iraqi man could pass as Indian or Pakistani
    1:29 minutes Iraqi man who hates Iran, could pass as Pakistani or North Indian
    1:35 minutes Iraqi dude who hates Israel looks quite Nordic. but I have seen some North Africans with the same looks.
    1:53 minutes bearded Iraqi guy who dislikes Vietnam could easily pass as a Pakistani.
    2:16 minutes Iraqi guy (who dislikes his own country Iraq) could pass as an American with Northern European ancestry .
    2:42 minutes Iraqi guy who dislikes Israel could pass as Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi easily.
    2:56 minutes falafel guy who only likes Iraq could pass as Pakistani easily.
    3:32 Iraqi guy (hates Saudi Arabia because he considers them racist) has a very typical Arab look but could pass as Pakistani.
    3:57 Iraqi guy who hates Israel has a look I have seen a lot in Algerians, North Africans etc…
    4:05 Iraqi girl who hates China, could pass as a Southern European.
    4:17 minutes Iraqi guy who hates Iran could pass as Pakistani or Indian.
    4:30 minutes Iraqi guy looks could pass for Pakistani or North Indian
    4:38 among the three guys who all hate Iran, the middle dude wearing blue, could easily pass as Pakistani or Indian. Indeed I know a guy in the Delhi Police force who looks very similar to him
    4:49 minutes Iraqi guy who hates Israel could easily pass as a Pakistani or North Indian like Punjabi or from my state of UP.
    4:54 Iraqi guy who dislikes Argentina could pass as Pakistani or easily a North Indian.

    Very few of them have the typical “Semitic” Jewish nose.

  166. @Malla
    @JohnnyWalker123


    How much foreign ancestry do Indian&Pakistani Muslims have?
     
    I would say 10% on average. Mostly Persian, Uzbek-Uyghur, Turkish and Arab ancestry. They form a caste of their own, an upper caste in Muslims called the Ashrafi Muslims while the rest are called Asahi Muslims. However the caste system is not as harsh as ti was in traditional Hindu culture. Many of them Ashrafi are basically a mix of foreign Muslims and upper caste Hindus including Brahmins. many Brahmans had converted to Islam either by force of sword, to gain political position, to escape Jaziya tax or out of conviction that Islam is the right religion. For example the Brahmani Sultans who fought the Hindu Kingdom of Vijaynagar. The Muslim commanders of the Vijaynagar Empire back-stabbed their Hindu King and help the Muslim enemies win.

    Replies: @Malla

    I would say 10% on average.

    Once the original mix population of Caucasians (Mediterranean looking Indus valley People + Nordic Aryans), Black tribes (1% Negrito, rest Australoids) and Mongoloids (Tibeto-Burmans, Cambodian Rice farmers, proto-Chinese etc..) was formed, later invasions/immigration to the Indian subcontinent did not make a significant genetic impact as after the Aryans invaded/ migrated and the Indus valley people went further inland mixing further with Australoid hunter gatherer tribes (with the Aryans following on their heels), agriculture spread throughout the subcontinent. Earlier Cambodian rice farmers had introduced rice farming in Indian subcontinent and the Iranian (Zagros Mountains) like Indus Valley people brought in wheat and barley farming while the Aryans brought the chariots, horses and cattle farming of cows (earlier it was buffalo) and dairy culture. Indian subcontinent being an awesome agricultural country, saw a massive rise in population subsequently. The Indian subcontinent became one of the major population centers of the World with the spread of agriculture and the original Caucasoid-Australoid (10-15% Mongoloid) hybrid population became the basic genetic template for the Indian subcontinent ever since. As the population of agriculturalists was very huge, all subsequent invaders or migrants could leave only a small genetic effect in the population which was already “formed” .

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    Thanks.

    I'm not an expert on Indian genetics, but my understanding is this.

    -The first wave of settlers were Hunter-Gatherer types, such as Australoids.
    -A much larger wave of Middle Eastern farmers (Dravidians) migrated to India and started the Indus Valley Civilization.
    -A later wave of pastoralists (Aryans) invaded India, started the Hindu religion. and set up the caste system.

    The three above groups mixed to form the Indian population, but different castes have different proportions of the three groups.

    Upper castes have more Aryan ancestry, while the lower castes have more Dravidian and Australoid ancestry. North Indians have more Aryan ancestry, while South Indians have more Dravidian ancestry.


    As the population of agriculturalists was very huge, all subsequent invaders or migrants could leave only a small genetic effect in the population which was already “formed” .

     

    I see. So the genetic contribution of the Muslim invaders was small in comparison to the large Indian population. I would assume the same is probably true of the Greeks and other groups who invaded/migrated. Too few to make a significant impact on the large Indian population.
  167. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps wackos who are obsessed with Masons are onto something, after all...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I also wonder now, Bardon. The Man Who Would Be King sure would get one to believe in this stuff. After all, the Masons saved Sean Connery’s ass… the first time, anyway. Then, it’s just a movie, though I ought to read the book now.

    I always did think the Masonic evil conspiracy stuff was just kind of wacky, only because I have no familiarity with it, I guess. I always thought they just raise money and have drinks at the lodge. As much as I appreciate good honest manual work, I do not understand why people who can lay bricks straight are the root of some occult huge mysterious operation that goes back to BC times. They ought to have a Prostitutes lodge with golden, I dunno, tittie rings with special symbols, it being the oldest profession and all… I mean, it’d be easy to raise money – beats selling eyeglasses… or what, cinder blocks, or, oh I got it!

    Masonite Siding! Was that the big conspiracy? Cause, yeah, that stuff is nothing but cardboard crap. Get you some Hardeeplank. I hear tell the Hardie Boys lodge goes back to the rein of Pope Bentadick I, with their material invented to keep out the Afghan hordes.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They are somehow influential, but .... I know a few Masons, but these are generally spiritual people, practicing their version of Western initiatory esotericism (they are heirs to Alchemy & Greek initiation cults, but in a rather weird Biblical context.).

    True, some significant political & economical figures have been initiated, but from what I know, real Masons consider these guys (some US presidents etc.) to be either childish or simply an older version of Rotarians.

    There is no such thing as Masonic conspiracy, but some aspiring politicians etc. .. seem to be attracted to membership of an exclusive club, in their view- elite.

  168. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I also wonder now, Bardon. The Man Who Would Be King sure would get one to believe in this stuff. After all, the Masons saved Sean Connery's ass... the first time, anyway. Then, it's just a movie, though I ought to read the book now.

    I always did think the Masonic evil conspiracy stuff was just kind of wacky, only because I have no familiarity with it, I guess. I always thought they just raise money and have drinks at the lodge. As much as I appreciate good honest manual work, I do not understand why people who can lay bricks straight are the root of some occult huge mysterious operation that goes back to BC times. They ought to have a Prostitutes lodge with golden, I dunno, tittie rings with special symbols, it being the oldest profession and all... I mean, it'd be easy to raise money - beats selling eyeglasses... or what, cinder blocks, or, oh I got it!

    Masonite Siding! Was that the big conspiracy? Cause, yeah, that stuff is nothing but cardboard crap. Get you some Hardeeplank. I hear tell the Hardie Boys lodge goes back to the rein of Pope Bentadick I, with their material invented to keep out the Afghan hordes.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    They are somehow influential, but …. I know a few Masons, but these are generally spiritual people, practicing their version of Western initiatory esotericism (they are heirs to Alchemy & Greek initiation cults, but in a rather weird Biblical context.).

    True, some significant political & economical figures have been initiated, but from what I know, real Masons consider these guys (some US presidents etc.) to be either childish or simply an older version of Rotarians.

    There is no such thing as Masonic conspiracy, but some aspiring politicians etc. .. seem to be attracted to membership of an exclusive club, in their view- elite.

  169. @Joe Stalin
    @anon

    About the only movie from that time era that even alluded to the ... "sexuality" of Arab males that I am aware of was the Micheal Caine film "Play Dirty" which showed two men who obviously attracted to each other.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx04XZGYT-M

    Replies: @anon

    About the only movie from that time era…

    Dude, movies are not real. They are just stories. That is the point.

  170. @Foreign Expert
    Kipling had lunch with Mark Twain.

    https://loa-shared.s3.amazonaws.com/static/pdf/Kipling_Interview_Twain.pdf

    Replies: @Dissident

    Kipling had lunch with Mark Twain.

    Rudyard Kipling, “An Interview with Mark Twain”

    Librivox audio version, read by the superb Twain specialist John Greenman can be found at:
    Mark Twain: The Complete Interviews

  171. The “Man Who Would Be King” is a massively underrated adventure movie! Most excellent performances from Connery and Caine. The movie truly shows that ego and pride can get the best of you in any situation. There needs to be a remake!!! Who could possibly play Connery & Caine? I’d say Brad Pitt and George Clooney, not that they’d want to humble themselves in these non-politically correct roles.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PaceLaw

    Huston's candidates from 1954 to 1975:

    Clark Gable and Humphrey Bogart
    Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas
    Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole
    Robert Redford and Paul Newman.

    Newman then told Huston it had to be British actors, so he should get Connery and Caine.

  172. @PaceLaw
    The “Man Who Would Be King” is a massively underrated adventure movie! Most excellent performances from Connery and Caine. The movie truly shows that ego and pride can get the best of you in any situation. There needs to be a remake!!! Who could possibly play Connery & Caine? I’d say Brad Pitt and George Clooney, not that they’d want to humble themselves in these non-politically correct roles.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Huston’s candidates from 1954 to 1975:

    Clark Gable and Humphrey Bogart
    Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas
    Richard Burton and Peter O’Toole
    Robert Redford and Paul Newman.

    Newman then told Huston it had to be British actors, so he should get Connery and Caine.

    • Thanks: PaceLaw
  173. I would agree that these roles would at a minimum require a certain amount of Britishness, but who could play these roles today? Gérard Butler and Hugh Grant? Not quite as convincing as the original actors, I would say. I respectfully submit that Brad Pitt and George Clooney, even though with bad British accents, would make a much more sellable duo to the American/Asian box offices.

  174. @Malla
    @Malla


    I would say 10% on average.
     
    Once the original mix population of Caucasians (Mediterranean looking Indus valley People + Nordic Aryans), Black tribes (1% Negrito, rest Australoids) and Mongoloids (Tibeto-Burmans, Cambodian Rice farmers, proto-Chinese etc..) was formed, later invasions/immigration to the Indian subcontinent did not make a significant genetic impact as after the Aryans invaded/ migrated and the Indus valley people went further inland mixing further with Australoid hunter gatherer tribes (with the Aryans following on their heels), agriculture spread throughout the subcontinent. Earlier Cambodian rice farmers had introduced rice farming in Indian subcontinent and the Iranian (Zagros Mountains) like Indus Valley people brought in wheat and barley farming while the Aryans brought the chariots, horses and cattle farming of cows (earlier it was buffalo) and dairy culture. Indian subcontinent being an awesome agricultural country, saw a massive rise in population subsequently. The Indian subcontinent became one of the major population centers of the World with the spread of agriculture and the original Caucasoid-Australoid (10-15% Mongoloid) hybrid population became the basic genetic template for the Indian subcontinent ever since. As the population of agriculturalists was very huge, all subsequent invaders or migrants could leave only a small genetic effect in the population which was already "formed" .

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks.

    I’m not an expert on Indian genetics, but my understanding is this.

    -The first wave of settlers were Hunter-Gatherer types, such as Australoids.
    -A much larger wave of Middle Eastern farmers (Dravidians) migrated to India and started the Indus Valley Civilization.
    -A later wave of pastoralists (Aryans) invaded India, started the Hindu religion. and set up the caste system.

    The three above groups mixed to form the Indian population, but different castes have different proportions of the three groups.

    Upper castes have more Aryan ancestry, while the lower castes have more Dravidian and Australoid ancestry. North Indians have more Aryan ancestry, while South Indians have more Dravidian ancestry.

    As the population of agriculturalists was very huge, all subsequent invaders or migrants could leave only a small genetic effect in the population which was already “formed” .

    I see. So the genetic contribution of the Muslim invaders was small in comparison to the large Indian population. I would assume the same is probably true of the Greeks and other groups who invaded/migrated. Too few to make a significant impact on the large Indian population.

  175. @Jay Fink
    @Fisk Ellington Rutledge IV

    Ashkenazi Jews have DNA that's very similar to Italians. If Italians are white, Jews are white. Keep in mind there are hundreds of ethnicities and nationalities but very few races....basically white, black and Asian. Jews are far closer to white than the other two, more so than Afghans who are on the border of being Asian.

    Replies: @Travis, @ATBOTL

    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests. That’s not a deal white people are going to take anymore. Only we can define our identity and Jews have no say in it.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @ATBOTL


    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests.
     
    Neither Europeans nor Jews are a single monolithic "tribe". The world is more grey, complex and complicated than the black and white you paint in.
    , @Jay Fink
    @ATBOTL

    Your argument is based on emotion, mine is based on DNA science. I am not trying to put Jews in one racial group or another. I would accept whatever genetics show. It so happens that the DNA of Jews are very close to Italians. This is a genetic fact. If Italians and other Mediterraneans are considered white, Jews are white.

  176. @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Who was the baseball player who killed a bird in flight with a throw? Dave Winfield? Darryl Strawberry?

    OK, it was 6'10" fastballer Randy Johnson:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNZg2xwl54

    Replies: @MC

    Dave Winfield also killed one, it just wasn’t caught on tape.
    https://www.cbc.ca/archives/dave-winfield-seagull-1.5230144

  177. @ATBOTL
    @Jay Fink

    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests. That's not a deal white people are going to take anymore. Only we can define our identity and Jews have no say in it.

    Replies: @Dissident, @Jay Fink

    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests.

    Neither Europeans nor Jews are a single monolithic “tribe”. The world is more grey, complex and complicated than the black and white you paint in.

    • Agree: Jay Fink
  178. @ATBOTL
    @Jay Fink

    You want us to accept your Asiatic tribe as part of our European tribe, but Jews will never accept us Europeans as part of your tribe and will continue to be hostile to us and work against our interests. That's not a deal white people are going to take anymore. Only we can define our identity and Jews have no say in it.

    Replies: @Dissident, @Jay Fink

    Your argument is based on emotion, mine is based on DNA science. I am not trying to put Jews in one racial group or another. I would accept whatever genetics show. It so happens that the DNA of Jews are very close to Italians. This is a genetic fact. If Italians and other Mediterraneans are considered white, Jews are white.

  179. “My impression from looking at the handful of online photos of Nuristanis is that the light-eyed girls are promising of growing up to be beauties, but their harsh lives tend to dim their luster.”

    Tess of the D’urbervilles (1998) part 16

    Remember this scene well with Tess living the hard manual work life in the open fields & sharing a cold house with a friend & thought that the very reason men sought her out was the very saleable quality of her beauty which would not last long against the tough daily grind.
    A working girl had only a short time to present herself before irreplaceable damage is done to the looks & figure that men always desire & will compete for

  180. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9933893/Escort-barrel.html

    What I mean by “saleable” is the ability of attractive women to leverage that automatic attraction which gives them options not open to plain Jane Eyres. Though most use their attractions to facilitate advantageous career choices there are some who make, like the above lady, a disastrously wrong “market” choice which spirals into a self-destruct dead end literally like the lady named here.
    Tess did eventually relent though didn’t lose her resentment & that led to a subsequent fatal choice too

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