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  1. Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it — in fact much more damaging and worse — was the transfer of my father’s industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ?

    Negroz is be runnin wild.

    , @Jake
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Americans never freed themselves from this evil, not fully. We had the illusion of being freed from it because of frontier. This specific evil is that of the WASP Elites despising , and necessarily also then fearing, the vast majority of whites they rule. Those WASP Elites must show the white trash that they can stir up mass crime to overrun their towns and neighborhoods, or even that they can and will destroy entire economies so the white trash isn paralyzed and perhaps will stop thinking about ever again opposing what the WASP Elites want.

    Those jobs were moved overseas for the same basic reasons that we have these riots. The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire act always for themselves and their concept of them ruling the world, controlling the world. They are your enemy. They are as interested in being fair and humane to you and yours as Oliver Cromwell was to Irish Catholics., as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Palestinians.

    And blacks are the special weapons and toys of the Elites of Anglo-Zionist Empire. Blacks are used to make naive whites, who always are overly sympathetic, waste time pitying and then helping blacks, which keeps those naive whites from seeing what is going on. Black violence propensities are used at the same time to frighten non-Elite whites into submission to the whims of the Anglo-Zionist Elites.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, arson set to occupied building was and should be a capital offense.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little - evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault - more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn't be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick, @Buzz Mohawk, @JMcG, @Dr. X

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No, good things are coming from these riots.


    The lumpenprole class who make their money selling cheap foreign stuff are having their livelihoods destroyed.


    Women who spent their fertile years building up businesses for the express purpose of selling alcohol or overpriced food are having their livelihoods destroyed.


    Illegal aliens are seing their jobs go up in flames.


    Etc etc etc. No one of any real value or merit is losing anything from the riots.


    They still look bad to casual foreign observers, sure. But several other countries (France, England, etc) weathered that reputation just fine in the mid 2000s.


    For sure, the riots did more to accomplish alt-right fantasies than Trump or Orban ever did.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Something different in Kenosha is that those being attacked by blm/antifa have begun seriously defending themselves https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/. So far only warning shots have been fired but sooner or later some of the blm/antifa thugs will be shot.

    The obvious next step in the escalating violence that is destroying the USA's largest cities has always been a reciprocal response to blm/antifa by those these thugs have been attacking. It's surprising that it took over two months to reach this stage but now we are there. Special circumstances in Kenosha may account for it being the starting point of counter violence to blm/antifa violence. Kenosha is overwhelmingly White and has been particularly hard hit by the establishment's globalist policies. But now that Kenosha has shown the way I think blm/antifa will no longer be allowed unopposed control of the USA's urban centers.

    This will either be seen in retrospect as the first flickers of a low key civil war in the USA, something like the "Troubles" in 1920s and 1930s Ireland or the Communist-Freikorps street wars in post WW I Germany, or a wake-up call to the USA's ruling establishment that Soros's blm/antifa need to be thoroughly curbed, if not crushed. If the establishment doesn't do this, a low intensity civil war now seems almost inevitable.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @JimDandy
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Here's an article including a still-shot of the martyred Saint Jacob of Kenosha--right before he was shot--holding a mini-scimitar that could have gutted a cop or cut his throat from ear-to-ear in a fraction of a second.

    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

    , @MBlanc46
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That is a dire view, Buzz, but, I fear, an accurate one.

  2. Biden, Harris and Hillary C. have all expressed their fervent wishes for Jacob Blake’s recovery, with reminders that Black Lives Matter.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    Hillary: "If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob".

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @William Badwhite

    , @Ed
    @Tono Bungay

    Yet silly white women and not an insignificant number of silly white men are eating it up. Even Hispanics have moved towards the right a bit this summer. Pathetic.

  3. It does seem like most of the firebugs are white antifa, black guys are destroying everything by hand. It’s simply not tenable to pretend ‘Umbrella man’ wasn’t antifa given what we’ve seen the last 3 months now and given how he was dressed and decked out with a black umbrella and respirator.

    Reminds me of the looting in sympathy in Brussels where a fancy store is being looted by arabs and blacks and a lone blonde Flemish guy tries to set it on fire only for the diverse looters to calmly put it out and continue looting.

    • Agree: Thoughts
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Altai


    a lone blonde Flemish guy tries to set it on fire only for the diverse looters to calmly put it out and continue looting.
     
    LOL.

    White Antifa dude: "Capitalism and consumerism are evil, let's burn everything down!"
    Diversitarians: "Chill out whitey, we want cool shoes, t-shirts and phones. Also, where is your sister, we'd like to rape her."

    One way or another, whites seem to always tend towards more abstract ideals (destructive or otherwise), non-whites more towards a more simple and direct materialism.
  4. You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful, TWS
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If they crack down, they will lose votes. Obviously their voters won't switch parties but they may stay home. Of course with mail-in voting everyone may stay home.

    Notice that the more expansive and informative video of the incident isn't being shown in the US media? The only videos permissible on MSM Facebook Twitter etc are those which make white people and/or cops look bad.

    So yeah, they like the rioting and they like the crime,

    , @Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If the mayor of Kenosha doesn't stop this, he's going to be literally lynched by enraged voters.

    , @JosephB
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?
     
    I certainly hope that is how things play out. However, do not underestimate the power of media control. What percentage of the people even know things are this violent? How many of those have heard it described as righteous anger for attacks on black bodies?
    , @TTSSYF
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It reminds me of when the black BLMer shot the five policemen in Dallas in 2016. That's when I felt pretty certain that Trump was going to win.

    , @Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yes I think the Dems believe they are making the right response. They realize that there is a large number of women and feminized men who are Vichy-collaborationist regarding BLM, or even attracted to their big bad dominant violent toughguys. We live in a twisted country.

    , @bro3886
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The immigrant vote doesn't give a fuck about burning cities, they just want to loot and dispossess whitey. It's that vote that allows the Dems to go full out anti-white.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Svigor
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Hold on there, partner; how about wondering what the flying #*@! Republicans are doing about this? Are they even expending hot air in "opposition"?

    LOL @ conservatives who still think the GOP represents them, gives a damn about them, is ever gonna take a break from serving big business and the donor class long enough to lift a finger for them, etc.

    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas...

    Replies: @ben tillman

  5. Trump watching the fire of Kenosha:

    (From : Fire of Moscow (1812)

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @El Dato

    To Napoleon, the burning of Moscow was a disaster.
    What I see looks more like Peter Ustinow with a blond Leningrad Cowboys ´do playing the lyra :P

    Replies: @El Dato

  6. @Tono Bungay
    Biden, Harris and Hillary C. have all expressed their fervent wishes for Jacob Blake's recovery, with reminders that Black Lives Matter.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Ed

    Hillary: “If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob”.

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @El Dato

    I've said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November. And there will be riots and fires in many white liberal cities. Whether the mail in vote tally indicates Trump won or not, there will be no definitive answer and he is not leaving the office, nor will his (newly formed) cabinet. Once the governors see that the dems are not going to "win" (either way), expect national guard units deployed, etc. It will suddenly be a very serious matter they will have to address. Expect marshal law at the national level.

    This is a nation on the brink of a massive, multi-directional civil war, between races and cultures, mainly between good and evil.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Patrick in SC

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @El Dato


    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win
     
    From the article:

    "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out and eventually I do believe he will win if we don’t give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is."

    Clinton suggested that Trump would try to “mess up” the absentee balloting system, claiming that she was told that the GOP “had 40 lawyers challenging absentee mail-in voting” in a Michigan Republican presidential primary, suggesting that it was a rehearsal for the November election.

    To counter that, Democrats should mount a legal offensive of their own, Clinton argued.

    "We’ve gotta have a massive legal operation, we have to have poll workers... We have to have our own teams of people to counter the force of intimidation…"
     
    The point of the Democrats' Post Office conspiracy theorizing is to provide a pretext to demand that mail-in ballots of mysterious and dubious provenance get counted. So, if there are swing States within a few thousand votes, we will see trucks upon trucks and bags upon bags filled with ballots appearing out of nowhere, while the Democrats and the Press (I repeat myself) demand that we "count every vote." It will also provide the pretext to State and Federal judges to bend the rules to order the counting of "late" and unpostmarked mail-in ballots.
    , @res
    @El Dato

    Thanks. That will make a nice link to post the next time I see a social media post claiming Trump won't be willing to concede.

    , @William Badwhite
    @El Dato


    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,
     
    Just when I think we're rid of her, we're reminded that Hillary Clinton is one of the most vile, anti-American politicians in American history.
  7. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    If they crack down, they will lose votes. Obviously their voters won’t switch parties but they may stay home. Of course with mail-in voting everyone may stay home.

    Notice that the more expansive and informative video of the incident isn’t being shown in the US media? The only videos permissible on MSM Facebook Twitter etc are those which make white people and/or cops look bad.

    So yeah, they like the rioting and they like the crime,

  8. How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Change that Matters

    It looks like a lot of the guys doing damage are white (or hispanic)

    Who are these white dudes?

    I want to round them up and interrogate each one

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Change that Matters

    "How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?"

    How long ago (1992) did a mob of black howlers pull a white guy, truck driver (Reginald Denny) out of his truck and beat him senseless and permanently disabled? It's not a question of "how long before" but rather "how much worse is it going to get"?

    , @Anonymous
    @Change that Matters

    Who wouldn't enjoy seeing white leftists getting torched...

    , @Altai
    @Change that Matters

    This is what they don't fully appreciate. The core of the antifa are a mob of people with cluster B personality disorders, they'll keep escalating until somebody stops them. They won't stop themselves.

  9. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    If the mayor of Kenosha doesn’t stop this, he’s going to be literally lynched by enraged voters.

  10. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema

    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.

    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon


    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own
     
    The USA devolving into its constituent parts. Honestly I think that's about the best we could hope for at this point. Walled cities like in medieval times, and it's worth remembering that the states themselves were originally supposed to be in voluntary confederation.

    https://lovefromtuscany.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/rendered-5-e1559152008763.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Al Levine

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    OneSixFive, if you read SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle on line) Newsom is being hammered hard by most commentors, over a million acres burned. There used to be a fire fighting force made up of California convicts, but they were given early release due to Covid.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @Adam Smith
    @Anon


    People are schooling their own children
     
    Oh Dear God! The horror!

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    This doesn't sound plausible. Ron Unz says California is doing quite well.

  11. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    I certainly hope that is how things play out. However, do not underestimate the power of media control. What percentage of the people even know things are this violent? How many of those have heard it described as righteous anger for attacks on black bodies?

  12. Iconic Andy Ngo Portland mugshot

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @jimmyriddle

    [[[Urge of Cleansing Intensifies]]]

    A little passage from "The Difference Engine" (1991). Maybe the Gibson/Sterling reality is breaking through into this continuum?


    A bell rang. Tobias leapt to his feet. He took a pamphlet of accordioned paper from a tray in the wall.

    "In luck, sir. Male suspect is done. I told you the skull business would help." Tobias spread the paper on the table, before Mallory.

    It was a collection of stipple-printed Engine-portraits. Dark-haired Englishmen with hangdog looks. The little square picture-bits of the Engine-prints were just big enough to distort their faces slightly, so that the men all seemed to have black drool in their mouths and dirt in the corners of their eyes. They all looked like brothers, some strange human sub-species of the devious and disenchanted. The portraits were nameless; they had citizen-numbers beneath them.

    "I hadn't expected dozens of them," Mallory said.

    "We could have narrowed the choice, with better parameters on the anthropometry," Tobias said. "But just take your time, sir, and look closely. If we have him, he's here."

    Mallory stared at the glowering ranks of numbered scapegraces, many of them with disquietingly misshapen heads. He remembered the tout's face with great clarity. He remembered it twisted with homicidal rage, bloody spittle in the cracked teeth. The sight was etched forever in his mind's eye, as vivid as the knuckle-shapes of the beast's spine, when first he'd seen his great prize jutting from the Wyoming shale. In one long dawning moment, then. Mallory had seen through those drab stone lumps and perceived the immanent glow of his own great glory, his coming fame. In just such a manner, he had seen, in the tout's face, a lethal challenge that could transform his life.

    But none of these dazed and sullen portraits matched the memory. "Is there any reason why you wouldn't have this man?"

    "Perhaps your man has no criminal record," Tobias said. "We could run the card again, to check against the general population. But that would take us weeks of Engine-spinning, and require a special clearance from the people upstairs."

    "Why so long, pray?"

    "Dr. Mallory, we have everyone in Britain in our records. Everyone who's ever applied for work, or paid taxes, or been arrested." Tobias was apologetic, painfully eager to help. "Is he a foreigner perhaps?"

    "I'm certain he was British, and a blackguard. He was armed and dangerous. But I simply don't see him here."

    "Perhaps it is a bad likeness, sir. Your criminal classes, they like to puff out their cheeks for criminal photography. Wads of cotton up their noses, and suchlike tricks. I'm sure he's there, sir."

    "I don't believe it. Is there another possibility?"

    Tobias sat down, defeated. "That's all we have, sir. Unless you want to change your description."

    "Might someone have removed his portrait?"

    Tobias looked shocked. "That would be tampering with official files, sir. A felony transportation-offense. I'm sure none of the clerks would have done such a thing."

    There was a heavy pause.

    "However?" Mallory urged.

    "Well, the files are sacrosanct, sir. It is what we're all about here, as you know. But there are certain highly placed officials, from outside the Bureau -- men who serve the confidential safety of the realm. If you know the gents I mean."

    "I don't believe I do," Mallory said.

    "A very few gentlemen, in positions of great trust and discretion," Tobias said. He glanced at the other men in the room, and lowered his voice. "Perhaps you've heard of what they call 'the Special Cabinet'? Or the Special Bureau of the Bow Street police ...?"

    "Anyone else?" Mallory said.

    "Well, the Royal Family, of course. We are servants of the Crown here, after all. If Albert himself were to command our Minister of Statistics ..."

    "What about the Prime Minister? Lord Byron?"

    Tobias made no reply. His face had soured.

     

    , @anonymous
    @jimmyriddle

    Meth addicts? Vegans? Meth addicted Vegans?

    , @DextersLabRat
    @jimmyriddle

    I have yet to see a single attractive Antifa member. They're all ugly white people with little prospects but who aren't the types to become construction or oil field workers.

  13. You clearly didn’t get the memo: These are peaceful and justified protests.

    Now, stai zitto, schiavo !

    • Agree: JimDandy
  14. Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It’s a fluke that Blake didn’t die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he’d been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box. And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car’s licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it’s only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Driveby Commenter

    Shootings aren't like in Roy Rogers movies.

    , @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    , @El Dato
    @Driveby Commenter


    The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.
     
    You have no fucking idea.

    Neither do I for that matter, but that's just wrong.


    But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.
     
    That's why there are political and legal processes.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Driveby Commenter

    >Two cops pointing guns at Black guy
    >They tell him to stop
    >He says "no"
    >Walks away
    >Cops "Well, OK. Have a good day, sir"

    Replies: @Carol, @Pontius

    , @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Real life isn't like movies. By the time a gun appears it is too late for the cop. People who are not trained in this badly over estimate their reaction time . By the time the cop sees the gun and has time to register the threat, he will have already been shot. Same with a knife
    attacker. If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot. Verified over and over and over again. And "shooting out the tires" is a Hollywood meme.

    Maybe this guy was just going to drive away, but odds are very high this guy had an illegal gun in his car. Most low income blacks do. If they are dressed like this guy, it is virtually a 100% certainty.

    So what is the appropriate response? This "victim" had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge. The cops were called on a domestic disturbance call. Are they supposed to just let this violent criminal go because he won't cooperate? What is the point of having police if they can't arrest people who just don't like being arrested that day?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @John Johnson

    , @Dr. X
    @Driveby Commenter

    Generally some good thoughts. From what I saw it did look like a bad shoot, BUT then again, the initial video of the George Floyd incident looked like police brutality. When the subsequent video came out, it turned out that the cops were actually being very nice to him but he was freaking out from having taken too much fentanyl.

    So I think we should let the facts come out before rioting. Police brutality is real, but I think these people are the type who want to riot anyway and police brutality is simply a pretext.


    Yes, he’d been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box. And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.
    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.
     
    I agree with this. It troubles me when cops justify a shooting by saying "He might have been reaching for a weapon." Not good enough for me, I don't think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?
     
    That only works in the movies, not real life. "Shooting someone in the leg" in a fluid situation is not very easy, and may not be incapacitating. Nor is shooting out the tires easy -- or effective. The time to use a handgun is when one's life is in immediate danger and you have to shoot to neutralize that danger. Period. Even then, as we see in the case of Mr. Blake, a handgun is not guaranteed to kill or incapacitate someone even with multiple hits unless the shots are placed in the heart/lung region or central nervous system.

    Yes, cops do shometimes shoot people for noncompliance. It's a problem that needs to be addressed.

    However I think Mr. Blake bears some responsibility also for creating a situation likely to end badly.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @ScarletNumber

    , @astrolabe
    @Driveby Commenter

    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    Replies: @usNthem, @fnn, @Hamlet's Ghost, @Johnny Smoggins

    , @JimDandy
    @Driveby Commenter

    "Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first."

    Your ignorance was astounding, until you revealed that you were writing from across the Atlantic. I'm quite sure you don't even believe what you wrote, but just in case you really are that far up your own arse: yes, he absolutely could have shot him first--or second, which would have been just as bad. Your argument is that the cop should have waited until he was looking down the barrel of a gun before defending himself. Ludicrous.

    Blake is human scum, with a history of violence against cops. This incident was 100 percent his fault. My only criticism of the cop is that he didn't squeeze off an 8th shot.

    Replies: @danand, @Jane Plain, @JimDandy

    , @Anon7
    @Driveby Commenter

    Former police officer goes through the suspect's criminal record, the current complaint, and the videos that show what happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Sp8EIHu1A

    His take: officer shooting justified.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Frank McGar
    @Driveby Commenter

    Seriously no police or military unit ever trains someone to shoot a person in the leg- it's a tactical mistake which could cost you your life if you miss, and even if you hit the person it's not a guarantee that it will stop them.

    As far as shooting out tires, again the guy could still drive off on the rims, potentially lose control of the car (with kids inside the car), and also endanger the lives of others. Once a guy like this with a violent criminal record refuses to comply, all bets are off, and he's assumed to be a threat to the greater community, which includes his children in the car, and any other people driving on the road.

    Also, in the US, there are violent criminals with guns, lots of them. That's why everyone in the entire country knows that when a cop is pointing a gun at you, the best way to not get killed is to comply. I know it sucks, and yes some cops are assholes on an ego trip- I've dealt with all sorts of cops, some decent, some jerks, but the one thing that never crossed my mind during any police stop was that it would be a good idea to resist or try to get away. Everyone knows this. I'll say it again: EVERYONE in the US knows that if cops are pointing guns at you and telling you to stop, walking away and reaching into a car will likely get you shot. All the people in the neighborhood watching know this, and all the people setting Kenosha on fire know this. This guy knew what he was doing- he figured this is the post George Floyd era so he could just walk away and nothing would happen to him.

    , @Bill P
    @Driveby Commenter

    The guy had been arrested previously for pulling a gun on someone in a bar. When the cops arrested him he had the gun under his car seat. The dispatcher likely included that information when he sent the cops on the call. I have a CPL (concealed pistol license) because I used to work in an occupation with a high risk of robbery, and during a work-related inspection an officer asked me where I keep the gun. They are very fastidious about that stuff.

    So the cop probably was aware that this guy had a history of keeping a gun in his car. If you had that information, what would you do if a guy you'd just been fighting broke away and went to his car, opened the door and reached in, all the while ignoring commands not to do so?

    , @Adam Smith
    @Driveby Commenter


    Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?
     
    Yes it is. Comply or Die!

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it’s only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.
     
    There are many bootlickers and copsuckers here in the states, steve's comment thread is a microcosm reflecting some of that sentiment. What bootlickers don't understand is that police violence can happen to them or someone they love. Daniel Shaver, Cheye Calvo, Bounkham Phonesavanh, Ryan Whitaker... Innocent White people are killed and terrorized by police all the time. Anyone can become a victim of police violence.

    Police are agents of a predatory state, so it is only natural that they are predators themselves. Even though they are low IQ thugs, they know they are above the law. The people (especially Blacks!) murdered by police get plenty of media attention, those who are injured by police do not. Every year 55,000 Americans are sent to the emergency room after an encounter with ThinBlueIsis.

    Police brutality is good for the economy, so it's not going away anytime soon.
    Police Brutality Bonds are one of the safest investments in America.

    No one is safe while ThinBlueIsis roams the streets.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Driveby Commenter


    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it’s only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.
     
    It may be brutal but under the law it was almost certainly necessary force.

    Law Enforcement Officers need not be shot at first in order to justify the use of deadly force.

    This is why it is generally always a really bad idea to fight with cops.

    I appreciate that you remain on "the other side of the Atlantic" as it were.
    , @Anonymous
    @Driveby Commenter



    Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box.

     

    Here's the problem: by the time you've seen someone pull a gun out of a glove box and determined that you are now facing a gun, the person holding the gun has already shot you.

    You're making this sound like the cops had all day to make up their minds about what this guy's intent was/wasn't.

    They didn't: reaction times are typically measured in hundredths of a second.

    Think about that, and what it might mean for police officers who are facing a suspect with a lengthy arrest record who is reaching for "something."


    And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.

     

    Equally likely was his using the car to try to flatten a few cops.

    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?

    Replies: @botazefa

    , @ben tillman
    @Driveby Commenter


    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him?
     
    Do you propose to shoot him through the car door?

    How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car’s licence plate number and picking him up at leisure?
     
    You just witnessed what happens when cops try to "pick him up". How could you possibly imagine it would be different at another time and place? How many times would you allow the process to repeat itself?

    Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?
     
    It is a principle of all policing everywhere.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Driveby Commenter

    These protests are not about police brutality in general, they're about white cops shooting black suspects. And that, specifically, has been decreasing substantially for years, so your contention that this is some kind of crisis that would inevitably explode cannot be sustained.

    The only way that zero black suspects will be shot is for policing to be abandoned in its entirety. BLM has already said that this is their goal, for, I guess, their own racial reasons. This is the goal of Antifa as well but for different reasons. Antifa doesn't care about race or gender or any of that stuff, but they will happily use those as pretexts to destroy law and order, because without the police, there is no way for the government to enforce the law, and without law enforcement, there's no government.

    , @Drew
    @Driveby Commenter

    The point of police is their brutality. If you aren't willing to use deadly force to enforce the law, don't have the law. If you're going to have a law, you need to be more committed to enforcing it than criminals are to breaking it, which means that law enforcement is ultimately a test of wills between those that swear to uphold the law and those who choose to rebel against it. As such, it is definitely preferable that cops be too aggressive rather than not aggressive enough.

    , @Anonymousse
    @Driveby Commenter


    It’s a fluke that Blake didn’t die instantly.
     
    True, but 2020 has been a really unlucky year all around
    , @DextersLabRat
    @Driveby Commenter

    The police force is horribly brutal because they're dealing with horribly brutal 65 IQ barely-evolved mongrels out of their mind on crack with plenty of guns lying around. Don't worry, with the ever-expanding population of blacks and peasant North Africans and Arabs, you too will know what a horribly brutal police force is like in due time. Meanwhile, I hope you're using a VPN because I'm pretty sure it's practically a crime to browse this website in the UK. But of course imprisoning people for their opinions is not horribly brutal.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Driveby Commenter


    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him?
     
    Or maybe they could just shoot the gun out of his hand, like Roy Rogers did in those old singing Cowboy movies.

    How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?
     
    Do you know how accurate a handgun is? Not very. Most handgun shootings are within a distance of 7 m. By the time you shoot out one tire (and a car can still drive on three tires), the car might be 20 ft. down the road. So if you try to shoot out the other tires, you're just shooting into a car with three kids in it. Does that sound like a good plan?

    Or even how about noting the car’s licence plate number and picking him up at leisure?
     
    And why would the suspect be any more compliant then? Maybe, when you are picking him up at your leisure, he is no more interested in being arrested than he was during the first encounter. So what do you now? Call in the SWAT guys? A half dozen more cops armed with semi-automatic rifles and flash-bang grenades? Will that lead to a better outcome?

    Perhaps the police shouldn't use their sidearms at all? Maybe that cop should have just wrestled the suspect to the ground mano-a-mano and subdued him by - oh, I don't know - putting his knee on his neck. Yeah - that's the ticket! That would have ended much differently.

    You are right that there is a problem with police in the US - that they often use force, even deadly force, when they should not. It is a real problem. But right now there are political forces using these events as pretexts to foment revolution, and that is more important and disturbing.
    , @Muggles
    @Driveby Commenter

    I love it when Europeans (I think) comment here about how brutal the US cops are. LOL.

    They love to lecture Americans but now look at Sweden. Very few non whites but huge areas are now "no go" areas dangerous to decent people. And those "migrants" are armed, unlike normal Swedes. They are violent too.

    These Euro lecturers fail to mention the buses full of local/national riot police sitting around in their large cities, with helmets, huge clubs, tear gas, etc. just ready to pounce on unarmed rioters in their own countries. And they don't face violent felons who are let loose willy nilly by leftist judges and DAs. Felons who carry firearms (here). Now a few are starting to face similar say, in Belgium.

    Americans aren't Euro sheeple. Of course we haven't been rolled over by violent dictators or imperial autocrats for centuries. So things are a bit more dangerous for cops.

    Here's a thought: read the online Nigerian or S. African media about how they treat local armed criminals. Lots of killings and beatings there. Kenya, etc. More "illegal" guns in those places than in say, Denmark. Very few African cops face any punishment for doing much worse. Why? They are always dealing with "unruly" and criminal Africans. Or just talk to some fellow Euro who has lived in African for a few years. And not in some diplomatic compound.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Driveby Commenter

    , @AceDeuce
    @Driveby Commenter

    Do us all a favor and stay on that side of the Atlantic. Do something connstructive and study up on your hadith. Your future rulers will be impressed.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Driveby Commenter

    “Pick him up at leisure”? Just how would that attempt to arrest him differ from the attempt at issue? Shoot him in the leg? Right. Go back to your fantasy world”.

  15. Maybe we should all write-in-vote Øb☭ma back into office so we can get more of that great racial healing policy. I was told that’s what he did, anyway. Apparently, it didn’t take, so we need another dose.

  16. @Change that Matters
    How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Anonymous, @Altai

    It looks like a lot of the guys doing damage are white (or hispanic)

    Who are these white dudes?

    I want to round them up and interrogate each one

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Thoughts

    Paid goons. FBI assets.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

  17. Blacks are guaranteed riot generators. It’s a statistical certainty that there’ll be at least one a month who is killed or injured while resisting arrest or threatening police. The only logical conclusion to all of this is a country dotted with the charred remains of once-thriving cities, an economy in ruins, and an increasing sense of despair among whites.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    @Rob McX

    Especially true when you have a decadent political class and media acting as accelerants to the fire.

  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    ?

    Negroz is be runnin wild.

  19. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Shootings aren’t like in Roy Rogers movies.

  20. Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the “in-crowd” feels depressed?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @RichardTaylor

    Everything is worse now. Riots! Viruses!

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @duncsbaby
    @RichardTaylor

    The riots are worse now because they're not being met with force. Most of the deaths from the 60's riots were rioters shot by the police. Both the Watts and Detroit riots were not instigated by police shootings but by arrests. When the blacks rioted then they were eventually put down by force. They were scary and terrible and did permanent damage to the cities, but people knew who was still in charge. Now the rioting is being allowed to happen w/approval by the media and the Dems & when whites try to defend themselves are arrested and/or vilified by the media.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @RichardTaylor

    I see what you are saying, Richard, because in this day and age, TV or the iCrap is on 24/7, so it always looks like the world is about to end. However, this country is not the prosperous manufacturing powerhouse that it was in the 1/2 decade of rioting (64-69?) a half century ago. Between this destruction, granted only in some selected areas, and the Kung Flu business shutdowns and continued panic-fest, the future for the American cities does look pretty grim to me

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @RichardTaylor


    Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them?
     
    One thing that's different is the appatent lack of any will to stop the destruction. I don't know what police in Kenosha are doing. But so far, in most places the cops just watch stuff burn and the DAs don't press charges.

    It's the sense that lawlessness is ritualistic and officially sanctioned that is so disturbing. On the plus side, it's an exclusively Democrat controlled phenomenon. But then again, they control all the major cities.

    Replies: @Seneca44

    , @Almost Missouri
    @RichardTaylor

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots, such that the death count per day and per city is lower than certain past riots. On the other hand, unlike the historical riots where authorities relatively quickly cracked and restored order, the plan today seems to be just to let the rioting go on forever. So mathematically, a lower death rate doesn't matter when the clock can run until infinity.

    Cracking down will momentarily spike the death rate, but that is how you end a riot. Not just in the US. Tiananmen Square in 1989 really was mostly peaceful until the crackdown came. The crackdown was bloody, but the crackdown ended it.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years. Even those local authorities who are minded to crack down (admittedly most are not, and many are not so covertly on the side of the rioters) justly fear that a Biden-Kamala regime next year will task the Department of Justice (using the name loosely here) with going around the country and prosecuting each local authority who wasn't sufficiently tolerant of the "mostly peaceful protests". So local authorities are hoping to survive the summer, let winter clear the streets and find out if the 2021 Feds will let local be local or whether we will be back to the Obama era of the DoJ backseat driving every local police force in the country. No one wants to be the next Ferguson, a town effectively destroyed by deployment of the national media lie machine and Federal shackling of local authority.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Ma Laoshi

    , @bro3886
    @RichardTaylor

    Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy, that's why antifa/blm prospers. The state is behind these thugs, like it was behind the brown shirts in early Nazi Germany or the Red Guards in Maoist China. That's what makes these riots ominous, and rightfully so, they point to a South Africa type of future.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    , @Anonymousse
    @RichardTaylor

    These riots are different because basically every institution that matters is completely behind them.

  21. These guys are evil Trump supporters who are working to stimulate the economy through shovel ready construction projects and cash for newly made clunkers.

  22. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can’t speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    Here’s an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes’s arrest record:

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn’t.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can’t say that I wouldn’t have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn’t have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn’t have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @wren

    That is the typical story of black shot by police: lifetime criminal resisting arrest.

    But the Negro is Numinous; black is a sacred cow. WASP Elites on both sides of the Atlantic bringing that to fruition in the 1830s.

    , @Anon
    @wren

    Thank you for the info.

    But do you think a policeman should react like you or me? He is the rule of law. Yet does not abide by the law. For a country, it is a significant difference.

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @wren

    So all in all this encounter can be described, by both sides, as mostly peaceful.

    , @J1234
    @wren

    It's vague as to whether there was a gun in the car or not. In fact, most news stories imply there wasn't. If there was, the media is intentionally ignoring that fact - and using the word "unarmed" to describe Blake only when he was outside the vehicle - which would be very believable, given the inclination and history of the news media.

    To be honest, I'm not paying much attention to the news stories because this is the stage of the news cycle where "St. Jacob" is created from the ashes of a sad life that has a warrant out for it's arrest.

    , @Driveby Commenter
    @wren

    Thanks for the courteous and rational tone of your comment.

    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward - that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But - seven shots loosed off in one volley?

    An attempted execution for "refusing to stop moving" because there was a chance he might offer deadly force? In any reasonable jurisdiction - not just pussified Britain - an officer would need to be certain to get away with that. Did the officer know there was a gun in the car? Nobody else seems to be sure.

    But I'm sincerely hoping for more evidence to come out that shows this isn't what it looks like.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Anonymous

  23. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    Everything is worse now. Riots! Viruses!

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Pepe and Wojak shall play music to this!

    https://i.postimg.cc/s2Lcyw4T/pepe-and-wojak-have-the-music-for-this-mindset.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAK5blgfKWM

  24. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    In 20 years your grandchildren will learn about these peaceful protests punctuated by white supremacist violence in school. That is the point of the mainstream media sticking so closely with that narrative.

    It doesn’t matter that some of you saw some Andy Ngo videos and know that narrative is insanity. They are writing the history books your grandchildren will read right in front of your eyes.

    Peaceful protests, unfettered police violence, white supremacists, Russian vote tampering will all be indisputable historical fact in 20 years. Sure, there will be some fringe conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise, but just look at these news reports from people who were actually there, kids.

    This has been the play from about WWII onward… and it has been amazingly successful.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anon


    Peaceful protests, unfettered police violence, white supremacists, Russian vote tampering will all be indisputable historical fact in 20 years. Sure, there will be some fringe conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise, but just look at these news reports from people who were actually there, kids.

    This has been the play from about WWII onward… and it has been amazingly successful.
     
    Heck, you could go back another 300 years and find this phenomenon with the treatment of Charles for defending his people against plutocrats and religious lunatics.
  25. State Rep. Greta Neubauer is single and ready to mingle!

    Wisconsin State Lawmaker: ‘I Will Be Joining People in the Streets’ in Protest

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/24/wisconsin-state-lawmaker-i-will-be-joining-people-in-the-streets-in-protest/

    “I support the right to protest in Kenosha and I will be joining people in the streets,” she continued. “Today and in the days to come, my thoughts are with Jacob, his family, and his community, and I am sending them strength in this time. Black Lives Matter”:

    • Replies: @Aardvark
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    See? By joining the protests, she can see first hand how Kenosha will need emergency funding to replace the garbage truck the idiots set on fire. They set the garbage truck on fire because a) their present oriented thinking doesn't allow them to realize they need this next week to pick up the uncollected trash they will rioting over and b) they think they are sticking it to the capitalists or the man or something when in fact they are sticking it to themselves.

    So far they have demonstrated they are so oppressed they think they should take up to oppressing themselves to get in on the action.

  26. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    The riots are worse now because they’re not being met with force. Most of the deaths from the 60’s riots were rioters shot by the police. Both the Watts and Detroit riots were not instigated by police shootings but by arrests. When the blacks rioted then they were eventually put down by force. They were scary and terrible and did permanent damage to the cities, but people knew who was still in charge. Now the rioting is being allowed to happen w/approval by the media and the Dems & when whites try to defend themselves are arrested and/or vilified by the media.

  27. Kenosha had good cheese curds. Very fresh.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
    @Adolph Oliver Busch

    I love the Brat Stop. I hope that don’t burn that down. Great brats there.

  28. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.

    You have no fucking idea.

    Neither do I for that matter, but that’s just wrong.

    But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    That’s why there are political and legal processes.

  29. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    >Two cops pointing guns at Black guy
    >They tell him to stop
    >He says “no”
    >Walks away
    >Cops “Well, OK. Have a good day, sir”

    • Replies: @Carol
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That's how they do it in the UK, yes?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    , @Pontius
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I remember Joan Rivers interviewing some NYFD members years ago and asking them if there was ever a situation where they say this is just too dangerous, we're not getting involved. The NYFD firefighter said, there's no one coming after us. We're it.

  30. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    It reminds me of when the black BLMer shot the five policemen in Dallas in 2016. That’s when I felt pretty certain that Trump was going to win.

    • Agree: Farenheit
  31. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Real life isn’t like movies. By the time a gun appears it is too late for the cop. People who are not trained in this badly over estimate their reaction time . By the time the cop sees the gun and has time to register the threat, he will have already been shot. Same with a knife
    attacker. If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot. Verified over and over and over again. And “shooting out the tires” is a Hollywood meme.

    Maybe this guy was just going to drive away, but odds are very high this guy had an illegal gun in his car. Most low income blacks do. If they are dressed like this guy, it is virtually a 100% certainty.

    So what is the appropriate response? This “victim” had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge. The cops were called on a domestic disturbance call. Are they supposed to just let this violent criminal go because he won’t cooperate? What is the point of having police if they can’t arrest people who just don’t like being arrested that day?

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Anon

    You're wasting your keystrokes on this retardate.

    "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."--Jonathon Swift

    , @John Johnson
    @Anon

    If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot.

    Doesn't apply here because the cop had the drop on him.

    So what is the appropriate response? This “victim” had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge.

    Shoot him once in the shoulder instead of unloading randomly. He could have shot his partner with how poorly he was maintaining control. The last shot he double tapped.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jim Don Bob

  32. @Anon
    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema


    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.
     
    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Adam Smith, @Chrisnonymous

    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own

    The USA devolving into its constituent parts. Honestly I think that’s about the best we could hope for at this point. Walled cities like in medieval times, and it’s worth remembering that the states themselves were originally supposed to be in voluntary confederation.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    , @Al Levine
    @anon

    What's the town? Not a hill town in Tuscany? Central Europe?

  33. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Generally some good thoughts. From what I saw it did look like a bad shoot, BUT then again, the initial video of the George Floyd incident looked like police brutality. When the subsequent video came out, it turned out that the cops were actually being very nice to him but he was freaking out from having taken too much fentanyl.

    So I think we should let the facts come out before rioting. Police brutality is real, but I think these people are the type who want to riot anyway and police brutality is simply a pretext.

    Yes, he’d been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box. And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.
    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.

    I agree with this. It troubles me when cops justify a shooting by saying “He might have been reaching for a weapon.” Not good enough for me, I don’t think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?

    That only works in the movies, not real life. “Shooting someone in the leg” in a fluid situation is not very easy, and may not be incapacitating. Nor is shooting out the tires easy — or effective. The time to use a handgun is when one’s life is in immediate danger and you have to shoot to neutralize that danger. Period. Even then, as we see in the case of Mr. Blake, a handgun is not guaranteed to kill or incapacitate someone even with multiple hits unless the shots are placed in the heart/lung region or central nervous system.

    Yes, cops do shometimes shoot people for noncompliance. It’s a problem that needs to be addressed.

    However I think Mr. Blake bears some responsibility also for creating a situation likely to end badly.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Dr. X

    I don’t think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    We'll send you out to wrangle the next non-cooperative black who "might" have a weapon.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Dr. X

    Go build a creature.

  34. Serious question: Why do Blacks have so many bad encounters with the “po-leece”?

    • Replies: @Dan Smith
    @Wake up

    Apparently they didn’t get “the talk” from Baby Daddy. Or listen to Chris Rock.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Wake up

    Lower intelligence, lower impulse control, higher testosterone, higher sensitivity to being ‘dissed.’

    , @V. Hickel
    @Wake up

    Because they are incompatible with a Euopean society. Always have been and always will be. They need to go back.

  35. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    I see what you are saying, Richard, because in this day and age, TV or the iCrap is on 24/7, so it always looks like the world is about to end. However, this country is not the prosperous manufacturing powerhouse that it was in the 1/2 decade of rioting (64-69?) a half century ago. Between this destruction, granted only in some selected areas, and the Kung Flu business shutdowns and continued panic-fest, the future for the American cities does look pretty grim to me

  36. @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    Hillary: "If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob".

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @William Badwhite

    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November. And there will be riots and fires in many white liberal cities. Whether the mail in vote tally indicates Trump won or not, there will be no definitive answer and he is not leaving the office, nor will his (newly formed) cabinet. Once the governors see that the dems are not going to “win” (either way), expect national guard units deployed, etc. It will suddenly be a very serious matter they will have to address. Expect marshal law at the national level.

    This is a nation on the brink of a massive, multi-directional civil war, between races and cultures, mainly between good and evil.

    • Agree: Realist, Juckett
    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    I think you're right, Love Child. We're in a perfect storm of a manufactured health crisis, race-Bolshevism and anarchist terror. The Dems have no intention of conceding DJT four more years and the Orange Man will fight back. Stock up on necessities -- it's going to get ugly.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    It could be that this is all a smokescreen for the Dems cheating there way to victory in the Senatorial and Congressional races while everyone is distracted by the presidential results. In 2018, it seemed like whenever there were late-breaking additional mail-in ballots to be counted, all those close races seemed to break for the Dems, oddly enough. Even if Trump wins, he will be completely hobbled by a Dem Senate and House.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @Patrick in SC
    @OscarWildeLoveChild


    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November.
     
    Even 2 weeks ago, I would have said this is far fetched.

    No longer.

    I think the process of people going to the polls will take place. Vote counting will take place too. This is so the Democrats can claim their usual haul of electoral votes from California, Illinois, New York, most of New England. But then if the overall result doesn't go the way they want, Biden winning, the entire process will grind to a halt with unsubstantiated charges of "voter suppression," "irregularities," "voter intimidation," (look for fake stories about 'right wing' militias frightening people away from voting places) and most of all: The unfairness of the whole thing owing to the coronavirus lockdown and the need to "count every vote" through mail in ballots. There will be injunctions against certifying the results for months until the needed number of ballots are harvested.

    All of the above will be encouraged and blared around the world by the leftist media. Reality will have absolutely no relation to what they "report" as true. If these people can drag the "Russia" insanity on for 3 plus years and get an Independent Counsel appointed, it will be child's play for them to vaguely suggest that votes were suppressed or that there were "irregularities" etc.

    "Count every vote" will replace "Black Lives Matter" as the mantra.

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    Replies: @S, @Alden, @The Last Real Calvinist

  37. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.

    • LOL: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @astrolabe


    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.
     
    What about his comment is Dunning Kruger-like?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

  38. @anon
    @Anon


    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own
     
    The USA devolving into its constituent parts. Honestly I think that's about the best we could hope for at this point. Walled cities like in medieval times, and it's worth remembering that the states themselves were originally supposed to be in voluntary confederation.

    https://lovefromtuscany.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/rendered-5-e1559152008763.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Al Levine

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever “walled city states” and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, “from sea to shining sea,” belongs to us. Don’t divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So are you stupid a stone or are you serving Mammon and the Anglo-Zionist Elites?

    It is now impossible, because 0f cultural perversion, for decent white Americans - which group cannot include WASP Elites - to control 'sea to shining sea.' There are too many of 'them' and not enough of us.

    The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire will oppose top the death and destruction any break up of the US, precisely because that keeps the vast majority 0f non-elite whites scattered thin and always on the defensive.

    Replies: @personfellowindividual

    , @JMcG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “We” posess? That’s cute.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Perry Mason
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You are out of your mind Buzz. This is the boomer mentality that was propagandized into your skull for decades.

    As many culturally conservative libertarians have been exploring and expounding upon for years, the West became the "West" because of its extreme decentralization and competition among authorities. This followed from the intermix among Christianity and the limitations it imposes on followers, serving as a foundation and providing a pivotal Church authority, strong familial cultures (clans, etc.), and Latin and Greek logic.

    The fracturing began with the Reformation and Renaissance, backward or jaundiced movements both of them (albeit with some forward developments), and the sheer violence of the Reformers and their absolutist kings and parliaments, which required populations to tether themselves increasingly to larger and larger states for protection.

    The large state is no longer necessary or helpful for granting this protection. Its unique distinction has been lost. Decentralization, free trade and managed borders is the only path for the future. It's not moral nor sensible for people in California to have power over those in Texas. Holy people and communities will emerge strong and grounded; others, not so much.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Appreciate the sentiment and the spirit, but it's going to get worse for a good while before it gets better, and sea to shining sea dominion under people like us is not what I would bet on when we get to the other side.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Nonsense. This entire continent, “from sea to shining sea,” belongs to us. Don’t divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.
     
    Buzz, i'm a few years younger than you, but i miss it too. I remember the world i was growing up in the 60s and it was damn nice.

    Your sentiments tug at the heart strings, but my head says "if it stays in one piece ... it's gone". However most of the problem is with our traitorous minoritarian "elites", who simply have no loyalty to the American people, no honor.

    Let's just take the hit. Kick the minoritarians loose--all their minority pets who think they are oppressed, all their BLM fellow traveler whites. We'll have the vast majority of the land and an explicit ideology of being part of Western Christian civilization, majoritarianism and republicanism. The break-up reinforcing the point, but we can explicitly name and ban minoritarianism and elite diktat in the Constitution and enshrine it our civic culture.

    We can cling to the glorious past, or we can at least try and craft a viable future for our children, our posterity.

    I've learned to accept that i'm not 22--or even 44!--anymore. I can accept that the great Western-civ America that once was is no more.
  39. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    Any country that tolerates this kind of savagery has a serious death wish. If this were being done by Al Quada, presumably our military would be going in with guns blazing. But because the terrorism is being done by blacks, no one fights back. Vote for Trump if you want, but this kind of thing will continue in a second term.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Anon

    "But because the terrorism is being done by blacks, no one fights back."

    This is the insane result of the prevailing leftist mindset. Unfortunately, Trump appears afraid to do anything substantive about it.

  40. I can’t believe they weren’t at home watching the republican convention………KIDDING

  41. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    Americans never freed themselves from this evil, not fully. We had the illusion of being freed from it because of frontier. This specific evil is that of the WASP Elites despising , and necessarily also then fearing, the vast majority of whites they rule. Those WASP Elites must show the white trash that they can stir up mass crime to overrun their towns and neighborhoods, or even that they can and will destroy entire economies so the white trash isn paralyzed and perhaps will stop thinking about ever again opposing what the WASP Elites want.

    Those jobs were moved overseas for the same basic reasons that we have these riots. The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire act always for themselves and their concept of them ruling the world, controlling the world. They are your enemy. They are as interested in being fair and humane to you and yours as Oliver Cromwell was to Irish Catholics., as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Palestinians.

    And blacks are the special weapons and toys of the Elites of Anglo-Zionist Empire. Blacks are used to make naive whites, who always are overly sympathetic, waste time pitying and then helping blacks, which keeps those naive whites from seeing what is going on. Black violence propensities are used at the same time to frighten non-Elite whites into submission to the whims of the Anglo-Zionist Elites.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Disagree: Ben tillman
  42. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    So are you stupid a stone or are you serving Mammon and the Anglo-Zionist Elites?

    It is now impossible, because 0f cultural perversion, for decent white Americans – which group cannot include WASP Elites – to control ‘sea to shining sea.’ There are too many of ‘them’ and not enough of us.

    The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire will oppose top the death and destruction any break up of the US, precisely because that keeps the vast majority 0f non-elite whites scattered thin and always on the defensive.

    • Replies: @personfellowindividual
    @Jake

    Has your lithium prescription been allowed to lapse? Talk to your doctor and get a re-fill.

  43. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    Yes I think the Dems believe they are making the right response. They realize that there is a large number of women and feminized men who are Vichy-collaborationist regarding BLM, or even attracted to their big bad dominant violent toughguys. We live in a twisted country.

  44. @jimmyriddle
    Iconic Andy Ngo Portland mugshot

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297992088483581953

    Replies: @El Dato, @anonymous, @DextersLabRat

    [[[Urge of Cleansing Intensifies]]]

    A little passage from “The Difference Engine” (1991). Maybe the Gibson/Sterling reality is breaking through into this continuum?

    [MORE]

    A bell rang. Tobias leapt to his feet. He took a pamphlet of accordioned paper from a tray in the wall.

    “In luck, sir. Male suspect is done. I told you the skull business would help.” Tobias spread the paper on the table, before Mallory.

    It was a collection of stipple-printed Engine-portraits. Dark-haired Englishmen with hangdog looks. The little square picture-bits of the Engine-prints were just big enough to distort their faces slightly, so that the men all seemed to have black drool in their mouths and dirt in the corners of their eyes. They all looked like brothers, some strange human sub-species of the devious and disenchanted. The portraits were nameless; they had citizen-numbers beneath them.

    “I hadn’t expected dozens of them,” Mallory said.

    “We could have narrowed the choice, with better parameters on the anthropometry,” Tobias said. “But just take your time, sir, and look closely. If we have him, he’s here.”

    Mallory stared at the glowering ranks of numbered scapegraces, many of them with disquietingly misshapen heads. He remembered the tout’s face with great clarity. He remembered it twisted with homicidal rage, bloody spittle in the cracked teeth. The sight was etched forever in his mind’s eye, as vivid as the knuckle-shapes of the beast’s spine, when first he’d seen his great prize jutting from the Wyoming shale. In one long dawning moment, then. Mallory had seen through those drab stone lumps and perceived the immanent glow of his own great glory, his coming fame. In just such a manner, he had seen, in the tout’s face, a lethal challenge that could transform his life.

    But none of these dazed and sullen portraits matched the memory. “Is there any reason why you wouldn’t have this man?”

    “Perhaps your man has no criminal record,” Tobias said. “We could run the card again, to check against the general population. But that would take us weeks of Engine-spinning, and require a special clearance from the people upstairs.”

    “Why so long, pray?”

    “Dr. Mallory, we have everyone in Britain in our records. Everyone who’s ever applied for work, or paid taxes, or been arrested.” Tobias was apologetic, painfully eager to help. “Is he a foreigner perhaps?”

    “I’m certain he was British, and a blackguard. He was armed and dangerous. But I simply don’t see him here.”

    “Perhaps it is a bad likeness, sir. Your criminal classes, they like to puff out their cheeks for criminal photography. Wads of cotton up their noses, and suchlike tricks. I’m sure he’s there, sir.”

    “I don’t believe it. Is there another possibility?”

    Tobias sat down, defeated. “That’s all we have, sir. Unless you want to change your description.”

    “Might someone have removed his portrait?”

    Tobias looked shocked. “That would be tampering with official files, sir. A felony transportation-offense. I’m sure none of the clerks would have done such a thing.”

    There was a heavy pause.

    “However?” Mallory urged.

    “Well, the files are sacrosanct, sir. It is what we’re all about here, as you know. But there are certain highly placed officials, from outside the Bureau — men who serve the confidential safety of the realm. If you know the gents I mean.”

    “I don’t believe I do,” Mallory said.

    “A very few gentlemen, in positions of great trust and discretion,” Tobias said. He glanced at the other men in the room, and lowered his voice. “Perhaps you’ve heard of what they call ‘the Special Cabinet’? Or the Special Bureau of the Bow Street police …?”

    “Anyone else?” Mallory said.

    “Well, the Royal Family, of course. We are servants of the Crown here, after all. If Albert himself were to command our Minister of Statistics …”

    “What about the Prime Minister? Lord Byron?”

    Tobias made no reply. His face had soured.

  45. @Thoughts
    @Change that Matters

    It looks like a lot of the guys doing damage are white (or hispanic)

    Who are these white dudes?

    I want to round them up and interrogate each one

    Replies: @BB753

    Paid goons. FBI assets.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @BB753


    Paid goons. FBI assets.
     
    Correction: Soros-funded goons.

    Replies: @BB753

  46. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them?

    One thing that’s different is the appatent lack of any will to stop the destruction. I don’t know what police in Kenosha are doing. But so far, in most places the cops just watch stuff burn and the DAs don’t press charges.

    It’s the sense that lawlessness is ritualistic and officially sanctioned that is so disturbing. On the plus side, it’s an exclusively Democrat controlled phenomenon. But then again, they control all the major cities.

    • Agree: Mike_from_SGV
    • Replies: @Seneca44
    @Hypnotoad666

    As one who lives in a Kenosha sized city, I sent our local sheriff an e-mail asking if he had any sort of contingency plan for our town if such riots should occur after a police involved shooting. I haven't received a reply yet, so I suspect the answer is no.

    I don't think the police or even the National Guard can react as quickly as the protesters appear, so cities who wish to maintain their integrity should start recruiting local talent with second amendment approved tools.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  47. @The Wild Geese Howard
    State Rep. Greta Neubauer is single and ready to mingle!

    Wisconsin State Lawmaker: ‘I Will Be Joining People in the Streets’ in Protest

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/24/wisconsin-state-lawmaker-i-will-be-joining-people-in-the-streets-in-protest/


    “I support the right to protest in Kenosha and I will be joining people in the streets,” she continued. “Today and in the days to come, my thoughts are with Jacob, his family, and his community, and I am sending them strength in this time. Black Lives Matter”:
     

    Replies: @Aardvark

    See? By joining the protests, she can see first hand how Kenosha will need emergency funding to replace the garbage truck the idiots set on fire. They set the garbage truck on fire because a) their present oriented thinking doesn’t allow them to realize they need this next week to pick up the uncollected trash they will rioting over and b) they think they are sticking it to the capitalists or the man or something when in fact they are sticking it to themselves.

    So far they have demonstrated they are so oppressed they think they should take up to oppressing themselves to get in on the action.

  48. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots, such that the death count per day and per city is lower than certain past riots. On the other hand, unlike the historical riots where authorities relatively quickly cracked and restored order, the plan today seems to be just to let the rioting go on forever. So mathematically, a lower death rate doesn’t matter when the clock can run until infinity.

    Cracking down will momentarily spike the death rate, but that is how you end a riot. Not just in the US. Tiananmen Square in 1989 really was mostly peaceful until the crackdown came. The crackdown was bloody, but the crackdown ended it.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years. Even those local authorities who are minded to crack down (admittedly most are not, and many are not so covertly on the side of the rioters) justly fear that a Biden-Kamala regime next year will task the Department of Justice (using the name loosely here) with going around the country and prosecuting each local authority who wasn’t sufficiently tolerant of the “mostly peaceful protests”. So local authorities are hoping to survive the summer, let winter clear the streets and find out if the 2021 Feds will let local be local or whether we will be back to the Obama era of the DoJ backseat driving every local police force in the country. No one wants to be the next Ferguson, a town effectively destroyed by deployment of the national media lie machine and Federal shackling of local authority.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Almost Missouri

    "The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years."

    Right, but only Dems are actually allowed to use Federal power to the full extent. See the powerlessness of the Trump administration for the last four years.

    , @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    Great analysis.

    , @Ma Laoshi
    @Almost Missouri


    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots
     
    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life, with nobody working seriously at anything anymore, instead just recording video of it on their retarded cell phones. The Kickass movie caught that quite well in its mugging scene.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years.
     
    A condition recurring so reliably that it got its own name: the Silly Season. Maybe this one is sillier than most, but otherwise it's the same old ritual.

    But it reminds me of a question I've had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump. Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he's clearly not), it should mean no more willing ear and special favors for them (which they feel entitled to and pay for) once they so openly declare for the opposition party.

    So how does all this work? Is Jared Kushner whispering in Trump's ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more? Is it an expression of overarching jewish power? Or does everyone involved understand that Trump is just a vain moron who gets little done besides tweeting and watching FOX, with many around him hardly more interested in the minutiae of governing?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Dieter Kief

  49. @Anon
    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema


    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.
     
    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Adam Smith, @Chrisnonymous

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road

    What title?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous



    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?
     
    It’s Raoul McLaughlin’s The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes. I had previously read his The Roman Empire and the Indian Ocean. I think he has a third volume in the works.

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Indian-Ocean-Kingdoms-ebook/dp/B00OZ3HWM2/

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Silk-Routes-Ancient-ebook/dp/B01MA3TAQ5/

    The author dropped out of his Ph.D. program in Belfast due to lack of funds. He has spent the last decade or so finishing his research and writing books on his own, apparently living in his parents’ basement or something. His angle is Rome’s foreign trade, which is often overlooked. His books are interesting in their geekiness, which is what you get without an editor (although they are scrupulously copyedited and professionally produced). He has reconstructed the economy and annual budgets of ancient Rome using triangulation on various factors, and then shows how much Rome depended on overseas trade, yet how it squandered most of its silver and gold in the process. The first volume deals with east Africa, the Arabian pennisula, and India, trading for frankincense, pepper, and the like, in exchange for gold and an extinct sort of red coral from the Mediterranean Sea. The second volume deasl with silk and the like via the Silk Road. I had no idea how far afield Roman ships ventured. And apparently for hundreds of years there was a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez wide enough for two ships to pass in places, but it was never perfectly maintained and functional its whole length, so it never really got use. Instead they built a wall around a road the whole way and Roman soldiers would escort camel caravans.

    McLaughlin does that 19th century historian thing of including all his research materials in the text and footnotes of the book: For instance, he establishes the important of silk in Rome via every friggin’ mention of it in extant commercial documents, graffiti, tombstone engravings, mentions in poetry and drama and history, shipwreak discoveries, the New Testament, and whatnot. I like this approach: I can judge how much I trust the writer’s judgment. He reconstructs a world in which everyone wanted silk and its use grew and grew. The Romans imported Chinese silk cloth and thread. The cloth they unwound back into thread, and then they re-weaved it into more thin, translucent fabric. Think of the labor in that. The state got, can’t remember, but maybe a 20 percent tax on imports, and the importers were broke when they returned, so they just gave the government the tax in silk. The Roman government owned a huge amount of silk.

    I was led to these quirky books from the tiny book cover thumbnails that genetics blogger Razib Khan includes in his blog posts. The guy reads widely.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG, @Dave Pinsen

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    “We” posess? That’s cute.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @JMcG

    Yes, yes, I knew that was coming. (I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.)

    Okay. You have a country, or do you? If you don't then no one else on Earth does. Do you care? Do you want the opportunity to argue and participate in the management of your resources?

    Or do you just want to look at everything as totally shit-shorn-fucked? FUBAR as usual? Just give up then, man! That makes you worthless to me or anyone else who cares.

    Replies: @shoot, @Known Fact

  51. @astrolabe
    @Driveby Commenter

    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.

    What about his comment is Dunning Kruger-like?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    Speaking as someone who did a fair amount of research involving police work, it's quite clear that Annonymous doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. His ignorance is only exceeded by the cocky assurance with which he pontificates on matters about which he is clueless. A classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    BTW, it is now manifest that the thug the policeman shot was, in fact, reaching for an illegal pistol which he'd stowed away in his car.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

  52. @Change that Matters
    How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Anonymous, @Altai

    “How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?”

    How long ago (1992) did a mob of black howlers pull a white guy, truck driver (Reginald Denny) out of his truck and beat him senseless and permanently disabled? It’s not a question of “how long before” but rather “how much worse is it going to get”?

  53. From the NYT:

    One resident said he had little problem with burning businesses to spur social change and reform to policing. “It’s unfortunate, but it has to be done,” said Wayne Gardner, who lives around the corner.

    The causal chain to achieve that from this eludes me.

    It’s really a sectarian belief system.

    Despite early successes in repelling the Roman sieges, the Zealots fought amongst themselves, and they lacked proper leadership, resulting in poor discipline, training, and preparation for the battles that were to follow. At one point they destroyed the food stocks in the city, a drastic measure thought to have been undertaken perhaps in order to enlist a merciful God’s intervention on behalf of the besieged Jews, or as a stratagem to make the defenders more desperate, supposing that was necessary in order to repel the Roman army.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @El Dato


    The causal chain to achieve that from this eludes me.
     
    I'm sorry, but have you seen how much more responsive the South African authorities have become to corruption, the needs of the poor and commuters after all the train burnings?

    Oh wait...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPtHWnYHEDA

    Can we start calling these riots 'The committee to re-elect Donald Trump riots'.
    , @Nachum
    @El Dato

    The general Rabbinic view (and the earliest rabbis were actually there) is that they preferred direct conflict to sitting out the siege and either tiring out the Romans and/or reaching some sort of truce, in either case basically returning to the status quo.

  54. In case anyone is wondering where Wisconsin, which last time anyone outside checked, was the Vermont of the Midwest, suddenly got all these feral black people, the answer is these are the underclass blacks deported by Obama-Emanuel-Pritzker crime syndicate from Chicago to formerly peaceful small towns across the Midwest.

    Under a Biden-Kamala regime the AFFH-ing of criminal blacks to your towns will continue.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    Pritzker and Obama had nothing to do with it. Chicago blacks began moving to Wisconsin in the 1970s looking for higher welfare.

    I remember reading an article in National Review about what the savage black children were doing to Kenosha public schools in the mid 198os.

    Chicago Blacks could have moved to Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky, or stayed in Illinois They chose Wisconsin because it has much higher welfare than any other state bordering Illinois.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Abolish_public_education, @Anonymous Jew

    , @Bleuteaux
    @Almost Missouri

    People who haven't experienced this have no idea how bad it is. Average town over 10,000 residents in the Midwest now has a critical mass of blacks. Every bumblefuck place you can imagine.

  55. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @El Dato

    I've said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November. And there will be riots and fires in many white liberal cities. Whether the mail in vote tally indicates Trump won or not, there will be no definitive answer and he is not leaving the office, nor will his (newly formed) cabinet. Once the governors see that the dems are not going to "win" (either way), expect national guard units deployed, etc. It will suddenly be a very serious matter they will have to address. Expect marshal law at the national level.

    This is a nation on the brink of a massive, multi-directional civil war, between races and cultures, mainly between good and evil.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Patrick in SC

    I think you’re right, Love Child. We’re in a perfect storm of a manufactured health crisis, race-Bolshevism and anarchist terror. The Dems have no intention of conceding DJT four more years and the Orange Man will fight back. Stock up on necessities — it’s going to get ugly.

    • Agree: usNthem
  56. @JMcG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “We” posess? That’s cute.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, yes, I knew that was coming. (I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.)

    Okay. You have a country, or do you? If you don’t then no one else on Earth does. Do you care? Do you want the opportunity to argue and participate in the management of your resources?

    Or do you just want to look at everything as totally shit-shorn-fucked? FUBAR as usual? Just give up then, man! That makes you worthless to me or anyone else who cares.

    • Replies: @shoot
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Them that care about big lie illusions are worthlessly compensating...but psych/emotional defenses feel worth something, as do stacks of FRNs.

    Earth's chockabloc full of earthlings who swallow-regurgitate Borg identity. And for those teeming clods of the continent thems resistance does not even rise to the level of futility. That lot has no resistance. The virus has 'em.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.

     

    WINK MARTINDALE: Welcome to the show, Bob, tell us a little about yourself.

    BOB: Well, Wink, I'm an insurance actuary, wife and I call Tulsa home and have three wonderful children.

    WINK: OK then, time to play our game. But first, lovely Carol will show you what you'll be winning -- if ... you ... can ...

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  57. @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    That is the typical story of black shot by police: lifetime criminal resisting arrest.

    But the Negro is Numinous; black is a sacred cow. WASP Elites on both sides of the Atlantic bringing that to fruition in the 1830s.

  58. @El Dato
    Trump watching the fire of Kenosha:

    https://i.postimg.cc/NMRtMq8M/Napoleon-watching-the-fire-of-Moscow.jpg

    (From : Fire of Moscow (1812)

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    To Napoleon, the burning of Moscow was a disaster.
    What I see looks more like Peter Ustinow with a blond Leningrad Cowboys ´do playing the lyra 😛

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @nokangaroos

    I meant to say that this is probably how it looks to the Left Side.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    Buzz, arson set to occupied building was and should be a capital offense.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hell, I believe in shooting looters and arsonists and anyone else who looks like they are doing that sort of thing. It is an old military law, and it is a good one.

    Simple force like that would stop this nonsense in a day.

    BTW I love Steve's little story about Dozer the Dog. We need more Dozers. I have one, and I feel that much more secure.

    Replies: @utu, @petit bourgeois

  60. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, arson set to occupied building was and should be a capital offense.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Hell, I believe in shooting looters and arsonists and anyone else who looks like they are doing that sort of thing. It is an old military law, and it is a good one.

    Simple force like that would stop this nonsense in a day.

    BTW I love Steve’s little story about Dozer the Dog. We need more Dozers. I have one, and I feel that much more secure.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy
     

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html
     

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html
     

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force
     

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596
     

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison
     

    Replies: @fnn, @Hibernian, @AceDeuce, @petit bourgeois

    , @petit bourgeois
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Speaking of which, where are the fire hoses and German Shepherds of yore as an effective means of crowd control?

    Tear gas, capsaicin spray, flash bangs and billy clubs are all fine and good, but I want Fido gnawing on these degenerates and the fire hoses keeping these commie anarchists at bay.

  61. Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @usNthem
    @Anon

    Good. Worry about your own damn country.

    , @fnn
    @Anon

    I'm pretty sure the cop was following official procedure. I'm also pretty sure FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi wasn't-and I'm still waiting for him to be put on trial.

    Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey

    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Anon

    Actually, police brutality in the USA is a symptom. Black brutality is the cause.

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Anon

    Does it have to be either/or though?

    Many of us think that cops, Antifa and BLM are all equally assholes.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk

  62. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    The immigrant vote doesn’t give a fuck about burning cities, they just want to loot and dispossess whitey. It’s that vote that allows the Dems to go full out anti-white.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @bro3886

    True enough, but immigrants do want something left to dispossess.

  63. @Anon
    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema


    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.
     
    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Adam Smith, @Chrisnonymous

    OneSixFive, if you read SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle on line) Newsom is being hammered hard by most commentors, over a million acres burned. There used to be a fire fighting force made up of California convicts, but they were given early release due to Covid.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Buffalo Joe

    How well did the convicts perform? Did they get rewarded for service?

    Replies: @Nachum, @Alden

  64. @Change that Matters
    How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Anonymous, @Altai

    Who wouldn’t enjoy seeing white leftists getting torched…

  65. @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    Thank you for the info.

    But do you think a policeman should react like you or me? He is the rule of law. Yet does not abide by the law. For a country, it is a significant difference.

  66. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy, that’s why antifa/blm prospers. The state is behind these thugs, like it was behind the brown shirts in early Nazi Germany or the Red Guards in Maoist China. That’s what makes these riots ominous, and rightfully so, they point to a South Africa type of future.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @bro3886

    "Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy"

    ((( Anybody missing here)))?

    , @Anonymous
    @bro3886

    The natzee routine doesn't work here. Did the natzees unleash an army of 3rd worlders to destroy their own nation?

    This is the opposite of natzee Germany..

  67. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    “Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.”

    Your ignorance was astounding, until you revealed that you were writing from across the Atlantic. I’m quite sure you don’t even believe what you wrote, but just in case you really are that far up your own arse: yes, he absolutely could have shot him first–or second, which would have been just as bad. Your argument is that the cop should have waited until he was looking down the barrel of a gun before defending himself. Ludicrous.

    Blake is human scum, with a history of violence against cops. This incident was 100 percent his fault. My only criticism of the cop is that he didn’t squeeze off an 8th shot.

    • Replies: @danand
    @JimDandy


    “This incident was 100 percent his fault.”
     
    JimDandy, it is hard to believe a father would so recklessly endanger the lives of 3 of his 5 children simply to evade an arrest, which given the times, likely would have been but a quick catch and release.

    What were the officers to do, simply let Blake drive off in his, to put it mildly, agitated state with those 3 young boys in his SUV? The officer(s) had zero choice, Blake had to be stopped, no ifs, no ands, no buts.

    There must be video of the boys exiting the SUV; but I have to assume it can’t be publicly released, as those poor innocent boys are obviously minors.

    Bad situation all around, but those officers simply had no option but to incapacitate Mr. Blake. Just image him racing off and smashing up or rolling that truck with the kids in it...or worse.
    , @Jane Plain
    @JimDandy

    There is more video (isn't there always?) showing that Blake was belligerent from the get go.

    Must have been that dog bite. I'm sure he was a real kitty cat before that.

    , @JimDandy
    @JimDandy

    I'm deeply regret my final sentence. I was wrong.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jacob-blakes-father-said-son-134700002.html

  68. Amazing how the peaceful protests turn into riots. How does the NYT explain it?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dan Smith

    Application of the Philosopher's Stone turns "routine police incidents" into political gold.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Dan Smith

    Intensification.

  69. @Tono Bungay
    Biden, Harris and Hillary C. have all expressed their fervent wishes for Jacob Blake's recovery, with reminders that Black Lives Matter.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Ed

    Yet silly white women and not an insignificant number of silly white men are eating it up. Even Hispanics have moved towards the right a bit this summer. Pathetic.

  70. @Wake up
    Serious question: Why do Blacks have so many bad encounters with the “po-leece”?

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Ian Smith, @V. Hickel

    Apparently they didn’t get “the talk” from Baby Daddy. Or listen to Chris Rock.

  71. @anon
    @Anon


    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own
     
    The USA devolving into its constituent parts. Honestly I think that's about the best we could hope for at this point. Walled cities like in medieval times, and it's worth remembering that the states themselves were originally supposed to be in voluntary confederation.

    https://lovefromtuscany.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/rendered-5-e1559152008763.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Al Levine

    What’s the town? Not a hill town in Tuscany? Central Europe?

  72. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Driveby Commenter

    >Two cops pointing guns at Black guy
    >They tell him to stop
    >He says "no"
    >Walks away
    >Cops "Well, OK. Have a good day, sir"

    Replies: @Carol, @Pontius

    That’s how they do it in the UK, yes?

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Carol

    Only when it's a Muslim raping a working-class white girl.

  73. @Adolph Oliver Busch
    Kenosha had good cheese curds. Very fresh.

    Replies: @SC Rebel

    I love the Brat Stop. I hope that don’t burn that down. Great brats there.

  74. Seems like rioting keeps the cases of covid-19 down. Rioting and exercise are good for your health.

  75. @Almost Missouri
    @RichardTaylor

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots, such that the death count per day and per city is lower than certain past riots. On the other hand, unlike the historical riots where authorities relatively quickly cracked and restored order, the plan today seems to be just to let the rioting go on forever. So mathematically, a lower death rate doesn't matter when the clock can run until infinity.

    Cracking down will momentarily spike the death rate, but that is how you end a riot. Not just in the US. Tiananmen Square in 1989 really was mostly peaceful until the crackdown came. The crackdown was bloody, but the crackdown ended it.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years. Even those local authorities who are minded to crack down (admittedly most are not, and many are not so covertly on the side of the rioters) justly fear that a Biden-Kamala regime next year will task the Department of Justice (using the name loosely here) with going around the country and prosecuting each local authority who wasn't sufficiently tolerant of the "mostly peaceful protests". So local authorities are hoping to survive the summer, let winter clear the streets and find out if the 2021 Feds will let local be local or whether we will be back to the Obama era of the DoJ backseat driving every local police force in the country. No one wants to be the next Ferguson, a town effectively destroyed by deployment of the national media lie machine and Federal shackling of local authority.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Ma Laoshi

    “The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years.”

    Right, but only Dems are actually allowed to use Federal power to the full extent. See the powerlessness of the Trump administration for the last four years.

  76. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hell, I believe in shooting looters and arsonists and anyone else who looks like they are doing that sort of thing. It is an old military law, and it is a good one.

    Simple force like that would stop this nonsense in a day.

    BTW I love Steve's little story about Dozer the Dog. We need more Dozers. I have one, and I feel that much more secure.

    Replies: @utu, @petit bourgeois

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.

    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison

    • Replies: @fnn
    @utu

    Once the European country you live in has a sufficient number of Africans you will ceased to be amazed by such things.

    , @Hibernian
    @utu


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home ...
     
    Was he holding the warrant with his teeth?
    , @AceDeuce
    @utu

    Point taken (somewhat). But if you ever find yourself in a life situation where you're shooting at an on-duty police dog, you probably weren't on the fast track to success anyhow....

    , @petit bourgeois
    @utu

    My dad was a cop and the German Shepherd police dogs used to come from Germany already trained to take commands in German back in the 80's. I have no idea of how they train them now, but the far left Jew lawyer I work for says they have no legitimate purpose in law enforcement.

    After half dozen federal lawsuis involving police dogs in my office, I disagree with that proposition. It's when the dogs are used to maul compliant civilians as a punitive measure by bad cops--that is the problem.

    We got one of the puppies from the handler because my dad's colleague was a K-9, so they are allowed to breed them, since they take the dog home every night to the wife and kids.

    The dog was extremely loyal, and when I brought my black friend over, the dog seemed to be genetically predisposed to being aggressive towards dark skin. Dogs are unable to become "woke."

    While people may assert they have no legitimate purpose, situations like Kenosha (home of craftsman and snap-on tools, God bless), provide an example of why we need effective crowd control right now.

    Replies: @utu

  77. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Former police officer goes through the suspect’s criminal record, the current complaint, and the videos that show what happened.

    His take: officer shooting justified.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Anon7

    Hmm. Because of the Violence Against Women Act, passed largely by Joe Biden's influence, police have NO discretion when called on domestic violence. If the call here was about domestic violence, then it would violate VAWA not to arrest.

    So, you might questionJoe Biden as to ether VAWA should not apply in the case of calls on black men.

  78. @Wake up
    Serious question: Why do Blacks have so many bad encounters with the “po-leece”?

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Ian Smith, @V. Hickel

    Lower intelligence, lower impulse control, higher testosterone, higher sensitivity to being ‘dissed.’

  79. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    Replies: @usNthem, @fnn, @Hamlet's Ghost, @Johnny Smoggins

    Good. Worry about your own damn country.

  80. “Mostly peaceful”, like JFK’s ride through Dealey Plaza in November of 1963.

    • LOL: Buck Ransom
  81. @Almost Missouri
    @RichardTaylor

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots, such that the death count per day and per city is lower than certain past riots. On the other hand, unlike the historical riots where authorities relatively quickly cracked and restored order, the plan today seems to be just to let the rioting go on forever. So mathematically, a lower death rate doesn't matter when the clock can run until infinity.

    Cracking down will momentarily spike the death rate, but that is how you end a riot. Not just in the US. Tiananmen Square in 1989 really was mostly peaceful until the crackdown came. The crackdown was bloody, but the crackdown ended it.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years. Even those local authorities who are minded to crack down (admittedly most are not, and many are not so covertly on the side of the rioters) justly fear that a Biden-Kamala regime next year will task the Department of Justice (using the name loosely here) with going around the country and prosecuting each local authority who wasn't sufficiently tolerant of the "mostly peaceful protests". So local authorities are hoping to survive the summer, let winter clear the streets and find out if the 2021 Feds will let local be local or whether we will be back to the Obama era of the DoJ backseat driving every local police force in the country. No one wants to be the next Ferguson, a town effectively destroyed by deployment of the national media lie machine and Federal shackling of local authority.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Ma Laoshi

    Great analysis.

  82. @Altai
    It does seem like most of the firebugs are white antifa, black guys are destroying everything by hand. It's simply not tenable to pretend 'Umbrella man' wasn't antifa given what we've seen the last 3 months now and given how he was dressed and decked out with a black umbrella and respirator.

    Reminds me of the looting in sympathy in Brussels where a fancy store is being looted by arabs and blacks and a lone blonde Flemish guy tries to set it on fire only for the diverse looters to calmly put it out and continue looting.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    a lone blonde Flemish guy tries to set it on fire only for the diverse looters to calmly put it out and continue looting.

    LOL.

    White Antifa dude: “Capitalism and consumerism are evil, let’s burn everything down!”
    Diversitarians: “Chill out whitey, we want cool shoes, t-shirts and phones. Also, where is your sister, we’d like to rape her.”

    One way or another, whites seem to always tend towards more abstract ideals (destructive or otherwise), non-whites more towards a more simple and direct materialism.

  83. @Almost Missouri
    In case anyone is wondering where Wisconsin, which last time anyone outside checked, was the Vermont of the Midwest, suddenly got all these feral black people, the answer is these are the underclass blacks deported by Obama-Emanuel-Pritzker crime syndicate from Chicago to formerly peaceful small towns across the Midwest.

    Under a Biden-Kamala regime the AFFH-ing of criminal blacks to your towns will continue.

    Replies: @Alden, @Bleuteaux

    Pritzker and Obama had nothing to do with it. Chicago blacks began moving to Wisconsin in the 1970s looking for higher welfare.

    I remember reading an article in National Review about what the savage black children were doing to Kenosha public schools in the mid 198os.

    Chicago Blacks could have moved to Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky, or stayed in Illinois They chose Wisconsin because it has much higher welfare than any other state bordering Illinois.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    @Alden

    I have learned that they invaded Duluth, Minnesota for the higher gibs, as well.

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    100% White (e.g. economically segregated) public schools suck, too.

    @fnn

    A sniper is trained to shoot to kill. LH was following FBI (i.e. an unconstitutional, federal police force) protocol.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Alden

    They also moved to Seattle around the same time and settled in the Central District, which was originally built by Jews (or at least their money) in the 1910s and later settled by Japanese. The Blacks moved in and the neighborhood was soon plagued with crime, deteriorating housing etc. Over the last few decades White gentrifiers paid the Blacks to leave. Now Blacks want “their” neighborhood back. So, to recap, the ownership went Native Americans > Jews > Japanese > Blacks > Gay Whites but somehow it’s the Black’s. Just like everything else. When you have the mental state of a 10-year-old it’s all about you. This is Lord of the Flies. No headmaster in sight. Except the children have muscles and guns.

  84. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    Replies: @usNthem, @fnn, @Hamlet's Ghost, @Johnny Smoggins

    I’m pretty sure the cop was following official procedure. I’m also pretty sure FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi wasn’t-and I’m still waiting for him to be put on trial.

    • Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey
    @fnn

    He cannot be brought to trial as he was on federal business at the time.

  85. @Change that Matters
    How long before a white family is burned to death in their home or car to howls of black delight?

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Stephen Paul Foster, @Anonymous, @Altai

    This is what they don’t fully appreciate. The core of the antifa are a mob of people with cluster B personality disorders, they’ll keep escalating until somebody stops them. They won’t stop themselves.

  86. @nokangaroos
    @El Dato

    To Napoleon, the burning of Moscow was a disaster.
    What I see looks more like Peter Ustinow with a blond Leningrad Cowboys ´do playing the lyra :P

    Replies: @El Dato

    I meant to say that this is probably how it looks to the Left Side.

  87. @El Dato
    From the NYT:

    One resident said he had little problem with burning businesses to spur social change and reform to policing. “It’s unfortunate, but it has to be done,” said Wayne Gardner, who lives around the corner.
     
    The causal chain to achieve that from this eludes me.

    It's really a sectarian belief system.

    Despite early successes in repelling the Roman sieges, the Zealots fought amongst themselves, and they lacked proper leadership, resulting in poor discipline, training, and preparation for the battles that were to follow. At one point they destroyed the food stocks in the city, a drastic measure thought to have been undertaken perhaps in order to enlist a merciful God's intervention on behalf of the besieged Jews, or as a stratagem to make the defenders more desperate, supposing that was necessary in order to repel the Roman army.
     

    Replies: @Altai, @Nachum

    The causal chain to achieve that from this eludes me.

    I’m sorry, but have you seen how much more responsive the South African authorities have become to corruption, the needs of the poor and commuters after all the train burnings?

    Oh wait…

    Can we start calling these riots ‘The committee to re-elect Donald Trump riots’.

  88. @Buzz Mohawk
    @RichardTaylor

    Everything is worse now. Riots! Viruses!

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Pepe and Wojak shall play music to this!

  89. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy
     

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html
     

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html
     

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force
     

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596
     

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison
     

    Replies: @fnn, @Hibernian, @AceDeuce, @petit bourgeois

    Once the European country you live in has a sufficient number of Africans you will ceased to be amazed by such things.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  90. @Dan Smith
    Amazing how the peaceful protests turn into riots. How does the NYT explain it?

    Replies: @El Dato, @kaganovitch

    Application of the Philosopher’s Stone turns “routine police incidents” into political gold.

  91. Anon[725] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anon


    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?

    Replies: @Anon

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road

    What title?

    It’s Raoul McLaughlin’s The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes. I had previously read his The Roman Empire and the Indian Ocean. I think he has a third volume in the works.

    The author dropped out of his Ph.D. program in Belfast due to lack of funds. He has spent the last decade or so finishing his research and writing books on his own, apparently living in his parents’ basement or something. His angle is Rome’s foreign trade, which is often overlooked. His books are interesting in their geekiness, which is what you get without an editor (although they are scrupulously copyedited and professionally produced). He has reconstructed the economy and annual budgets of ancient Rome using triangulation on various factors, and then shows how much Rome depended on overseas trade, yet how it squandered most of its silver and gold in the process. The first volume deals with east Africa, the Arabian pennisula, and India, trading for frankincense, pepper, and the like, in exchange for gold and an extinct sort of red coral from the Mediterranean Sea. The second volume deasl with silk and the like via the Silk Road. I had no idea how far afield Roman ships ventured. And apparently for hundreds of years there was a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez wide enough for two ships to pass in places, but it was never perfectly maintained and functional its whole length, so it never really got use. Instead they built a wall around a road the whole way and Roman soldiers would escort camel caravans.

    McLaughlin does that 19th century historian thing of including all his research materials in the text and footnotes of the book: For instance, he establishes the important of silk in Rome via every friggin’ mention of it in extant commercial documents, graffiti, tombstone engravings, mentions in poetry and drama and history, shipwreak discoveries, the New Testament, and whatnot. I like this approach: I can judge how much I trust the writer’s judgment. He reconstructs a world in which everyone wanted silk and its use grew and grew. The Romans imported Chinese silk cloth and thread. The cloth they unwound back into thread, and then they re-weaved it into more thin, translucent fabric. Think of the labor in that. The state got, can’t remember, but maybe a 20 percent tax on imports, and the importers were broke when they returned, so they just gave the government the tax in silk. The Roman government owned a huge amount of silk.

    I was led to these quirky books from the tiny book cover thumbnails that genetics blogger Razib Khan includes in his blog posts. The guy reads widely.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    You could sail from Yemen to India with the monsoon wind at your back quite easily at a certain season of the year. Getting back to the Red Sea was harder but not too difficult. But I guess few Romans went around Southeast Asia to China. I've heard of two Roman ambassadors who made it, but I guess silk was more of an overland trade item.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ginger bread man, @Dave Pinsen

    , @JMcG
    @Anon

    Thanks! I’ve seen some of his youtube videos, I’ll have to try one of his books.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    Those books sound interesting - does he explain why the Romans didn’t just ask the Chinese for raw silk?

    I recall reading that during the Spanish galleon trade ~1500 years later Europeans were able to order custom products from China.

  92. J says:

    From afar, seems to me that these riots and general disorder are frightening non African people, who will necessarily vote for a strong law and order alternative. The large Latino population is not joining the rioting. The phenomenon of Africans enjoying privileges is unknown and unimaginable in Latin America and Latinos in the USA feel uneasy with it. Most will vote Trump.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @SC Rebel
    @J

    And the Democrats keep doubling down on “Whitey is evil” and “Peaceful protests”.

    Not a good recipe for electoral victory.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @J

    Amazingly, the Repubs were right about Hispanics as "natural conservatives" who would shore up their electoral margins. It just took the Democrats to promote rioting.

    , @Currahee
    @J

    I wish (hope) you are right.
    In my personal experience with Mexicans (lots of them here in SoCal), they have no white guilt whatsoever and see the blacks for what they are.
    When Mexicans move into a neighborhood, the blacks are soon gone.

  93. @bro3886
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The immigrant vote doesn't give a fuck about burning cities, they just want to loot and dispossess whitey. It's that vote that allows the Dems to go full out anti-white.

    Replies: @bomag

    True enough, but immigrants do want something left to dispossess.

  94. @Wake up
    Serious question: Why do Blacks have so many bad encounters with the “po-leece”?

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Ian Smith, @V. Hickel

    Because they are incompatible with a Euopean society. Always have been and always will be. They need to go back.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  95. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    Replies: @usNthem, @fnn, @Hamlet's Ghost, @Johnny Smoggins

    Actually, police brutality in the USA is a symptom. Black brutality is the cause.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  96. I’d like to know gun and ammo sales figures today in Kenosha.

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @North Carolina Resident

    I looked up one figure - 10% jogger...

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Currahee
    @North Carolina Resident

    Sold out before the event.

    , @SC Rebel
    @North Carolina Resident

    As someone who only lives about 45 minutes away from Kenosha and have been there quite a few times, I can tell you that there were quite a few people packing even before this happened.

    But I suspect that it will exponentially increase as a result of this. Outside of Milwaukee and maybe Green Bay, WI is fairly quiet with regard to crime, etc. There are counties that you can go to where you could drive for miles without seeing one POC and pretty much everyone is armed there.

    The SJW idiots that occupy Madison are ruining the whole state.

  97. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Agree. Thank you for saying it. I am not American, but also was appalled. Also appalled by the attitude on this site, a supposedly high IQ, discerning site for the self-controlled whites.

    Police brutality is a thing in the USA, and will only get worse. Human nature being what it is, good cops are going to get fed up, and the nasty unbalanced cops will egg each other on.

    These election has been very, very expensive.

    Replies: @usNthem, @fnn, @Hamlet's Ghost, @Johnny Smoggins

    Does it have to be either/or though?

    Many of us think that cops, Antifa and BLM are all equally assholes.

    • Replies: @Aeronerauk
    @Johnny Smoggins

    You're an insane person if you think occasional police malfeasance is indicative of the entire profession. I'm sorry the cop who gave you a speeding ticket was mean to you.

  98. Anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Say his name!

    Their classmates are murdered, then they take the SATs: How gun violence shapes academics
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/academic-impact-violence/2020/08/23/85f0868a-00af-11ea-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html

    Actually, not the high-stakes SAT (or “SATs” in AAVE), but the low-stakes PSAT. And not a gun, but a knife.

    Darnell Johnson was about to take the PSAT. There were 165 minutes, 139 multiple choice questions and an essay in front of him. But how could he focus when his classmate was dead?

    Five days earlier, Johnson’s classmate, a freshman quarterback named Jaquar McNair, who had college aspirations and loved taking cruises with his family, was fatally stabbed by a classmate at a Metro station.

    Wait, a classmate?

    The Daily Mail reveals that it was a 15-year-old (presumably black) female classmate, who has been charged with murder 1 (intent to kill).

    Rewriting the first paragraph: “Darnell Johnson was about to take the PSAT. But how could he focus when his classmate was killed by his other classmate?”

    I think there’s a rest of the story, and it has nothing to do with standardized testing.
    They want to push a narrative of chronic cortisol levels (not to mention lead) causing blacks to fail IQ tests. If blacks can’t focus, who cares the cause, if the cause is intractable. They would make bad employees and college students. Solve the cortisol/lead/focus problem first, verify that blacks can function at normal levels, and then the problem solves itself.

  99. The P-51 Mustang took only 149 days from the contract signing in May 1940, to the first prototype rolling out in Sept 1940.

    In 2020, after months of protests, the police still have no water cannons to blast protestors off statues and out of the streets. America is not the country it used to be.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Beavertales

    There doesn't seem to much of a history of water cannon usage on large crowds in the US.


    United States

    Truck-based water cannon, and fire hoses used as improvised water cannons, were used widely in the United States during the 1960s for both riot control and suppressing peaceful civil rights marches, including the infamous use ordered by Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.[24] [25] The newsreel footage of police turning water cannons and police dogs on civilians—both student protesters and bystanders alike, including children as young as six—widely viewed as shocking and inappropriate and helped turn public sympathies towards civil rights. [26] Water cannons were used in November 2016 against water protectors at Standing Rock. [27] In August 2020, state senator Floyd Prozanski suggested water cannons be used by police against protesters in Portland. [28]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cannon
     


    Medics Describe How Police Sprayed Standing Rock Demonstrators With Tear Gas and Water Cannons
    Medics caring for injured demonstrators at the Standing Rock protests estimated that 168 people were treated for hypothermia.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/21/medics-describe-how-police-sprayed-standing-rock-demonstrators-with-tear-gas-and-water-cannons/
     

    I speculate that the USA First Amendment tends to be respected by citizens and municipal governments so that incidental violence is minimized enough for your SOP tear gas, rubber bullets and bean bags to be effective.

    Now we have a sustained campaign against civil authority paid for rich people. I heard Amy Jacobson (WIND 560AM) this morning saying that antifa were flying in and driving to Kenosha.

  100. @Anon
    @Anonymous



    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?
     
    It’s Raoul McLaughlin’s The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes. I had previously read his The Roman Empire and the Indian Ocean. I think he has a third volume in the works.

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Indian-Ocean-Kingdoms-ebook/dp/B00OZ3HWM2/

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Silk-Routes-Ancient-ebook/dp/B01MA3TAQ5/

    The author dropped out of his Ph.D. program in Belfast due to lack of funds. He has spent the last decade or so finishing his research and writing books on his own, apparently living in his parents’ basement or something. His angle is Rome’s foreign trade, which is often overlooked. His books are interesting in their geekiness, which is what you get without an editor (although they are scrupulously copyedited and professionally produced). He has reconstructed the economy and annual budgets of ancient Rome using triangulation on various factors, and then shows how much Rome depended on overseas trade, yet how it squandered most of its silver and gold in the process. The first volume deals with east Africa, the Arabian pennisula, and India, trading for frankincense, pepper, and the like, in exchange for gold and an extinct sort of red coral from the Mediterranean Sea. The second volume deasl with silk and the like via the Silk Road. I had no idea how far afield Roman ships ventured. And apparently for hundreds of years there was a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez wide enough for two ships to pass in places, but it was never perfectly maintained and functional its whole length, so it never really got use. Instead they built a wall around a road the whole way and Roman soldiers would escort camel caravans.

    McLaughlin does that 19th century historian thing of including all his research materials in the text and footnotes of the book: For instance, he establishes the important of silk in Rome via every friggin’ mention of it in extant commercial documents, graffiti, tombstone engravings, mentions in poetry and drama and history, shipwreak discoveries, the New Testament, and whatnot. I like this approach: I can judge how much I trust the writer’s judgment. He reconstructs a world in which everyone wanted silk and its use grew and grew. The Romans imported Chinese silk cloth and thread. The cloth they unwound back into thread, and then they re-weaved it into more thin, translucent fabric. Think of the labor in that. The state got, can’t remember, but maybe a 20 percent tax on imports, and the importers were broke when they returned, so they just gave the government the tax in silk. The Roman government owned a huge amount of silk.

    I was led to these quirky books from the tiny book cover thumbnails that genetics blogger Razib Khan includes in his blog posts. The guy reads widely.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG, @Dave Pinsen

    You could sail from Yemen to India with the monsoon wind at your back quite easily at a certain season of the year. Getting back to the Red Sea was harder but not too difficult. But I guess few Romans went around Southeast Asia to China. I’ve heard of two Roman ambassadors who made it, but I guess silk was more of an overland trade item.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    The longest "straight-line" sea route is from Pakistan to Kamchatka. The long way. This was only determined a couple of years ago.

    The longest land route is from Prince Henry's Sagres to Chinkang, and is not far off the Silk Road.



    https://c.tribune.com.pk/2018/09/snow-01-1-1536765031.png

    , @ginger bread man
    @Steve Sailer

    Dear Steve,

    A. Can you respond to this?
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/nyc-is-dead-forever-heres-why-james-altucher/

    B. Can you or someone please link to an article where you talk about how/why the population of NYC has dropped for the past few years? (Since Google has blacklisted Unz.com, it's been very difficult to find your old articles by searching for key words. Unz's own search feature is not very good

    Replies: @res

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Is there any evidence of Europeans traveling by sea to the Far East before the Portuguese?

    I know the Romans sailed to Europe - did these Roman ambassadors hitch a ride on an Asian ship to China?

  101. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @El Dato

    I've said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November. And there will be riots and fires in many white liberal cities. Whether the mail in vote tally indicates Trump won or not, there will be no definitive answer and he is not leaving the office, nor will his (newly formed) cabinet. Once the governors see that the dems are not going to "win" (either way), expect national guard units deployed, etc. It will suddenly be a very serious matter they will have to address. Expect marshal law at the national level.

    This is a nation on the brink of a massive, multi-directional civil war, between races and cultures, mainly between good and evil.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Patrick in SC

    It could be that this is all a smokescreen for the Dems cheating there way to victory in the Senatorial and Congressional races while everyone is distracted by the presidential results. In 2018, it seemed like whenever there were late-breaking additional mail-in ballots to be counted, all those close races seemed to break for the Dems, oddly enough. Even if Trump wins, he will be completely hobbled by a Dem Senate and House.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Good point Hopalong. GOP Senate control is already weak thanks to the RINOs, and if the Dems can pry loose a couple more seats we'll have four more years -- of impeachment proceedings.

    And don't forget governorships, especially now that govs have suddenly assumed vast powers to lock down the law-abiding but ignore the criminals. Connecticut's new governor was one of those Dems who was behind when everyone went to bed in 2018, only to somehow pull out that race.

  102. @Rob McX
    Blacks are guaranteed riot generators. It's a statistical certainty that there'll be at least one a month who is killed or injured while resisting arrest or threatening police. The only logical conclusion to all of this is a country dotted with the charred remains of once-thriving cities, an economy in ruins, and an increasing sense of despair among whites.

    Replies: @Buck Ransom

    Especially true when you have a decadent political class and media acting as accelerants to the fire.

  103. Watch this till the end…similar to Blake reaching into his car

    • Replies: @black sea
    @jill

    Thank you for posting this video. There are some intellectually disabled commenters on this thread who might benefit from watching it several times.

    , @Rob McX
    @jill

    The guy in the video was sentenced to 53½ to 110 years for attempted murder.

    He was acquitted of the offence on suspicion of which he was stopped ,i.e. driving under the influence.

    He was let go without charge when when he was initially stopped a short time earlier. It was he who stopped the cop on the occasion that resulted in the shootout, because he was annoyed at their having stopped him the first time: "The stop took all my time, so I thought I'd call him back and take up his time".

    , @vinteuil
    @jill

    Wow.

    Did the cops live?

    Replies: @Nachum

  104. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Seriously no police or military unit ever trains someone to shoot a person in the leg- it’s a tactical mistake which could cost you your life if you miss, and even if you hit the person it’s not a guarantee that it will stop them.

    As far as shooting out tires, again the guy could still drive off on the rims, potentially lose control of the car (with kids inside the car), and also endanger the lives of others. Once a guy like this with a violent criminal record refuses to comply, all bets are off, and he’s assumed to be a threat to the greater community, which includes his children in the car, and any other people driving on the road.

    Also, in the US, there are violent criminals with guns, lots of them. That’s why everyone in the entire country knows that when a cop is pointing a gun at you, the best way to not get killed is to comply. I know it sucks, and yes some cops are assholes on an ego trip- I’ve dealt with all sorts of cops, some decent, some jerks, but the one thing that never crossed my mind during any police stop was that it would be a good idea to resist or try to get away. Everyone knows this. I’ll say it again: EVERYONE in the US knows that if cops are pointing guns at you and telling you to stop, walking away and reaching into a car will likely get you shot. All the people in the neighborhood watching know this, and all the people setting Kenosha on fire know this. This guy knew what he was doing- he figured this is the post George Floyd era so he could just walk away and nothing would happen to him.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Thanks: Currahee
  105. At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is “Anger Can Build a Better World,” by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers’ names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that “diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country.” I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Tono Bungay


    Cherry writes that “diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country.” I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?
     
    Because, without that anger, we might not be convinced that our treatment of blacks marks us as moral monsters who deserve to be destroyed.

    From Kevin MacDonald's What Makes Western Culture Unique?:


    Essentially this research provides a model of the evolution of cooperation among individualistic peoples. Their results are most applicable to individualistic groups because such groups are not based on extended kinship relationships and are therefore much more prone to defection. In general, high levels of altruistic punishment are more likely to be found among individualistic, hunter-gather societies than in kinship-based societies based on the extended family. Their results are least applicable to groups such as Jewish groups or other highly collectivist groups which in traditional societies were based on extended kinship relationships, known kinship linkages, and repeated interactions among members. In such situations, actors know the people with whom they are cooperating and anticipate future cooperation because they are enmeshed in extended kinship networks, or, as in the case of Jews, they are in the same group.

    Europeans are thus exactly the sort of groups modeled by this research: They are groups with high levels of cooperation with strangers rather than with extended family members, and they are prone to market relations and individualism.

    This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.

    ***

    The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done.
     

    , @Svigor
    @Tono Bungay

    It all comes down to jevvish racism, ethnocentrism, whatever you want to call it. If not for jevvs' ethnic narcissism, they would have solved their personal problems eons ago. But the open secret is that if they get over their racism, they'll assimilate and cease to exist. And to an extent they've been doing that all along, with a lot of their group members just leaving jevvry and assimilating into surrounding humanity. On the other hand, the jevvs have even managed to turn this into a racist practice, one-way gene flow that cuckoo-birds their genetic material into the surrounding populations.

    That said, it's all about jevvish angst (an inevitable and justified reaction to their own ethnic malfeasance).

    Their whole culture is centered around deflecting blame away from their tribe, no matter how well-deserved (the very concept of jevvry deserving blame for anything is "anti-semitic," LOL), and preventing expulsion #umpteen, pogrom #xxxx, or shoah 2.0 (I refer to such cultures as "hardened," with jevvs representing perhaps the apotheosis). Both the former goal and the collective jevvish personality profile (extraverts and ethnic narcissists) prevents the very concept of jevvish ethnic self-review or tribal moral inventory, so they rely on outward-centered strategies to achieve the latter goal. E.g., most obviously, divide et impera.

    Jevvs want Whites and blacks at each others' throats so they'll be too busy to even notice the jevvs. Also, to the ignorant grug-brained NPC, the differences between Whites and blacks dwarfs the distance between Whites and jevvs. And Whites are capable enough to rival jevvs, given the desire (there are other groups with sufficient ability to rival jevvs, but none of them both create societies jevvs attractive to jevvs and are naive enough to not really see the jevvs coming), while blacks aren't, so it makes sense for jevvs to use blacks as a weapon against Whites. Look at how much they hate Iran, for example, a country that hasn't harmed a hair on its jevvish community's head, and on the other hand keeps them at arms length and well away from any decision-making power in their society.

    A chaotic country in which Whites are terrified into submission by squads of blacks and antifa freaks is far preferable to jevvs to an orderly country full of jevv-wise Whites.

    If you want to understand how jevvs feel about Whites, even if only subconsciously, consider White slaveholders in the antebellum south; most of them probably took a relatively benign approach to their black slaves, as long as the blacks didn't pose a threat But once the blacks started getting uppity, showing signs of posing a threat to White dominance, that benign attitude was likely to be replaced with fear and hostility. As soon as Uncle Tom starts talking about fighting for his freedom or about blacks having their own space, away from Whites, well...

    If you really want to understand this stuff, go to therightstuffDOTbiz and listen to The Daily Shoah podcast archives. Maybe start around episode 200 or 300 though, because they've gotten a lot better over time.

    , @Nachum
    @Tono Bungay

    Is this really a big mystery? About a hundred years ago the less-traditional American Jews decided (incorrectly, as it turned out) that the most "progressive" views were the ones most likely to serve their own interests as well, and that of course included defending blacks. Successive generations just sort of absorbed that unthinkingly, with, at best, a small sprinkling of the made-up idea that Judaism is identical to "progressivism."

    Jews who live in more, um, "diverse" areas (or Jews whose parents fled from such areas) tend to have a more nuanced view of race relations, but those don't account for most American Jews, unfortunately.

    The neocons *were* actually of that last category, aided by the fact that things went really bad in the 1960's, but the attitude only took them so far, being as "respectable" as they were. And of course they really don't like Trump, so that overrides everything.

    I'm sure all of these people- or at least the type that write for The Atlantic- would be shocked if you told them they were stirring up violence, but that is what they're doing, perhaps subconsciously or perhaps not even that. Not that that would let them off the hook, of course.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Tono Bungay

    Rhetorical question, right?

    Jews hate Whites and use bleks as a tool to destroy them.

    , @Frank McGar
    @Tono Bungay

    My best guess is deflection and distancing one's group from complicity in the name of self-preservation? Benefit from white privilege as it suits you but abdicate yourself from responsibility when the shit hits the fan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/22/jews-in-america-struggled-for-generations-to-become-white-now-we-must-give-up-that-privilege-to-fight-racism/

    , @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    It's the same reason the proletariat got whipped up in various European countries (not always with the expected outcomes, but still):

    Anger brings a churning situation. In a churning situation, doors may open that stayed closed for generations, you can make a quick buck and come out on top while your enemies are occupied or getting burnt out of their houses. If it's churny enough out there, radical dreams start to seem attainable (Real Communism! Extreme Feminism! Control over all the Bad People!).

    But it must be confused anger and anger that is open to being directed. Anger by blacks is thus excellent anger. Contrariwise, anger by whites is bad, it may lead to concentration camps. Anger by hispanics and by the two different types of asians seems to an unexplored resource. There are probably no hot button issues that one can skillfully write about or larger intercultural obstacles, so that anger remains fallow.

    Black thinkers are also allowed to chime in but can just offer a sad spectacle of clowns making senseless demands (possible incoherent demands) for special treatment - because they just can't into what is actually happening around them. They thus ipso-facto declare themselves to be outsiders unwilling and unable to level up and actually start attacking Big Asshole, which includes the Political Upper Crust, Wall Street and various other cancers, but also the Atlantic and sundry philosophy professors. Not quite on the level of NPCs, but not really all that far from it.

  106. Just like many Wisconsin towns, “Kenosha” ironically sounds like a black woman’s name.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mike Zwick


    Just like many Wisconsin towns, “Kenosha” ironically sounds like a black woman’s name.
     
    Or body part.
  107. @Anon
    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema


    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.
     
    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Adam Smith, @Chrisnonymous

    People are schooling their own children

    Oh Dear God! The horror!

  108. @jimmyriddle
    Iconic Andy Ngo Portland mugshot

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297992088483581953

    Replies: @El Dato, @anonymous, @DextersLabRat

    Meth addicts? Vegans? Meth addicted Vegans?

  109. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    The guy had been arrested previously for pulling a gun on someone in a bar. When the cops arrested him he had the gun under his car seat. The dispatcher likely included that information when he sent the cops on the call. I have a CPL (concealed pistol license) because I used to work in an occupation with a high risk of robbery, and during a work-related inspection an officer asked me where I keep the gun. They are very fastidious about that stuff.

    So the cop probably was aware that this guy had a history of keeping a gun in his car. If you had that information, what would you do if a guy you’d just been fighting broke away and went to his car, opened the door and reached in, all the while ignoring commands not to do so?

  110. @Anon
    Any country that tolerates this kind of savagery has a serious death wish. If this were being done by Al Quada, presumably our military would be going in with guns blazing. But because the terrorism is being done by blacks, no one fights back. Vote for Trump if you want, but this kind of thing will continue in a second term.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “But because the terrorism is being done by blacks, no one fights back.”

    This is the insane result of the prevailing leftist mindset. Unfortunately, Trump appears afraid to do anything substantive about it.

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    You could sail from Yemen to India with the monsoon wind at your back quite easily at a certain season of the year. Getting back to the Red Sea was harder but not too difficult. But I guess few Romans went around Southeast Asia to China. I've heard of two Roman ambassadors who made it, but I guess silk was more of an overland trade item.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ginger bread man, @Dave Pinsen

    The longest “straight-line” sea route is from Pakistan to Kamchatka. The long way. This was only determined a couple of years ago.

    The longest land route is from Prince Henry’s Sagres to Chinkang, and is not far off the Silk Road.

    • Thanks: El Dato
  112. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little – evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault – more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn’t be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    @Jack D

    Kenosha still has the Brat Stop http://www.bratstopentertainment.com/

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Good essay, all correct. Fortunately, my father did not work in the auto industry, which, as you say, spent "as little as possible on R&D.

    Before finally starting college, I had a job at his company that I got through sheer nepotism. Dad got me an interview with the head of HR, who worked downstairs from him at headquarters. That led to a job at the R&D center nearby.

    So, I was a lab technician at R&D for a Dow Jones industrial before I went to college.

    All I can tell you is that company did spend money on R&D. It was a big center, with two large proto-manufacturing test facilities, plus real, honest-to-goodness laboratories with neat equipment and people like me in lab coats. I met the man who purified silica for the Space Shuttle tiles. He had a tile on his desk, which I picked up when we were shooting the breeze one day. It was like a dense block of styrofoam. The Shuttle made its first flight that year, and we all stopped to watch it land on TV that day.

    I tested products that the engineers and chemists were trying with new formulae. My job was to destroy them in various ways and measure the results, which I then generally calculated into standard deviations and such. My boss was a research engineer who put my numbers on a chart in his office.

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Jack, you’re overegging the pudding a bit here. Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital. Even the auto companies built cars that people wanted to buy. The Arab oil embargoes are probably the single greatest cause for the collapse of the US automotive industry.
    The US aviation industry went from the Wright Flyer to the X-15 in under sixty years. Ok, ok, we boosted a little from the Germans. That was a heavily unionized industry too, by the way.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Dr. X
    @Jack D

    I have an AMC/Kenosha designed 2.5 four Jeep engine in a 2001 Chrysler product. That engine isn't fast but it keeps chugging away and dosen't burn a drop of oil at 200,000 miles...

    Replies: @Jack D

  113. @JimDandy
    @Driveby Commenter

    "Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first."

    Your ignorance was astounding, until you revealed that you were writing from across the Atlantic. I'm quite sure you don't even believe what you wrote, but just in case you really are that far up your own arse: yes, he absolutely could have shot him first--or second, which would have been just as bad. Your argument is that the cop should have waited until he was looking down the barrel of a gun before defending himself. Ludicrous.

    Blake is human scum, with a history of violence against cops. This incident was 100 percent his fault. My only criticism of the cop is that he didn't squeeze off an 8th shot.

    Replies: @danand, @Jane Plain, @JimDandy

    “This incident was 100 percent his fault.”

    JimDandy, it is hard to believe a father would so recklessly endanger the lives of 3 of his 5 children simply to evade an arrest, which given the times, likely would have been but a quick catch and release.

    What were the officers to do, simply let Blake drive off in his, to put it mildly, agitated state with those 3 young boys in his SUV? The officer(s) had zero choice, Blake had to be stopped, no ifs, no ands, no buts.

    There must be video of the boys exiting the SUV; but I have to assume it can’t be publicly released, as those poor innocent boys are obviously minors.

    Bad situation all around, but those officers simply had no option but to incapacitate Mr. Blake. Just image him racing off and smashing up or rolling that truck with the kids in it…or worse.

  114. @Dr. X
    @Driveby Commenter

    Generally some good thoughts. From what I saw it did look like a bad shoot, BUT then again, the initial video of the George Floyd incident looked like police brutality. When the subsequent video came out, it turned out that the cops were actually being very nice to him but he was freaking out from having taken too much fentanyl.

    So I think we should let the facts come out before rioting. Police brutality is real, but I think these people are the type who want to riot anyway and police brutality is simply a pretext.


    Yes, he’d been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box. And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.
    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.
     
    I agree with this. It troubles me when cops justify a shooting by saying "He might have been reaching for a weapon." Not good enough for me, I don't think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?
     
    That only works in the movies, not real life. "Shooting someone in the leg" in a fluid situation is not very easy, and may not be incapacitating. Nor is shooting out the tires easy -- or effective. The time to use a handgun is when one's life is in immediate danger and you have to shoot to neutralize that danger. Period. Even then, as we see in the case of Mr. Blake, a handgun is not guaranteed to kill or incapacitate someone even with multiple hits unless the shots are placed in the heart/lung region or central nervous system.

    Yes, cops do shometimes shoot people for noncompliance. It's a problem that needs to be addressed.

    However I think Mr. Blake bears some responsibility also for creating a situation likely to end badly.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @ScarletNumber

    I don’t think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    We’ll send you out to wrangle the next non-cooperative black who “might” have a weapon.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

  115. Blake is now paralyzed from the waist down.

    Don’t worry, they can now extract his sperm and use it to inseminate a brigade of Wakandan Amazons.

    • LOL: bruce county
    • Replies: @Midnights
    @Jane Plain

    I guess he'll have to roll after the next 14 year old girl he rapes. After prison, of course.

    , @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    He can't rape anyone now.

  116. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    There is a Confederation of Japanese Auto Workers. I don’t know much about them – do you?

    Only thing I know is that their workers are Japanese. Maybe that makes a difference.

  117. @JimDandy
    @Driveby Commenter

    "Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first."

    Your ignorance was astounding, until you revealed that you were writing from across the Atlantic. I'm quite sure you don't even believe what you wrote, but just in case you really are that far up your own arse: yes, he absolutely could have shot him first--or second, which would have been just as bad. Your argument is that the cop should have waited until he was looking down the barrel of a gun before defending himself. Ludicrous.

    Blake is human scum, with a history of violence against cops. This incident was 100 percent his fault. My only criticism of the cop is that he didn't squeeze off an 8th shot.

    Replies: @danand, @Jane Plain, @JimDandy

    There is more video (isn’t there always?) showing that Blake was belligerent from the get go.

    Must have been that dog bite. I’m sure he was a real kitty cat before that.

    • Thanks: JimDandy, Joseph Doaks
  118. Maybe black ghettos should be patrolled by black policemen only.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jonathan Silber

    I think it might come to that. The problem is that what white guy in his right mind would sign up to be a new cop now? Are we looking at a future police department that will be mostly minority?

    I've wondered here if the push to de-fund police while de-criminalizing crime is a long con to create an excuse for a federal police force that would take the place of local cops.

    What if the police department of the future basically looks like Antifa?

    Replies: @Moses

  119. @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    Hillary: "If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob".

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @William Badwhite

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    From the article:

    “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out and eventually I do believe he will win if we don’t give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is.”

    Clinton suggested that Trump would try to “mess up” the absentee balloting system, claiming that she was told that the GOP “had 40 lawyers challenging absentee mail-in voting” in a Michigan Republican presidential primary, suggesting that it was a rehearsal for the November election.

    To counter that, Democrats should mount a legal offensive of their own, Clinton argued.

    We’ve gotta have a massive legal operation, we have to have poll workers… We have to have our own teams of people to counter the force of intimidation…

    The point of the Democrats’ Post Office conspiracy theorizing is to provide a pretext to demand that mail-in ballots of mysterious and dubious provenance get counted. So, if there are swing States within a few thousand votes, we will see trucks upon trucks and bags upon bags filled with ballots appearing out of nowhere, while the Democrats and the Press (I repeat myself) demand that we “count every vote.” It will also provide the pretext to State and Federal judges to bend the rules to order the counting of “late” and unpostmarked mail-in ballots.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  120. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    Yes it is. Comply or Die!

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it’s only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    There are many bootlickers and copsuckers here in the states, steve’s comment thread is a microcosm reflecting some of that sentiment. What bootlickers don’t understand is that police violence can happen to them or someone they love. Daniel Shaver, Cheye Calvo, Bounkham Phonesavanh, Ryan Whitaker… Innocent White people are killed and terrorized by police all the time. Anyone can become a victim of police violence.

    Police are agents of a predatory state, so it is only natural that they are predators themselves. Even though they are low IQ thugs, they know they are above the law. The people (especially Blacks!) murdered by police get plenty of media attention, those who are injured by police do not. Every year 55,000 Americans are sent to the emergency room after an encounter with ThinBlueIsis.

    Police brutality is good for the economy, so it’s not going away anytime soon.
    Police Brutality Bonds are one of the safest investments in America.

    No one is safe while ThinBlueIsis roams the streets.

  121. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it’s only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    It may be brutal but under the law it was almost certainly necessary force.

    Law Enforcement Officers need not be shot at first in order to justify the use of deadly force.

    This is why it is generally always a really bad idea to fight with cops.

    I appreciate that you remain on “the other side of the Atlantic” as it were.

  122. From @teetweetshere on Twitter: “Will be curious to see if the arsonists are right wing agitators like at other protests. Very Trump Putin tactic.”

    From Arjun Patel, @arjunpatel20 on Twitter: “The Radical Right has come to Kenosha! They are the rioters! They are the looters! They are the arsonists! #KenoshaRiots”

    “They are the Radical Right! They want to capitalize on the events, by blending into the crowd, to carry out this destruction, so that Republicans pin it on Black Lives Matter!”

    Arjun Patel bio: “An informal member of #TheResistance, I am also an avid Pokemon player”

  123. Blake’s grandfather, Jacob Blake Sr., was a prominent minister and civil rights leader in the Chicago area who helped organize a march and spoke in support of a comprehensive housing law in Evanston, Illinois, days after the 1968 slaying of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

    – The Associated Press

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5625277002/

  124. @Mike Zwick
    Just like many Wisconsin towns, "Kenosha" ironically sounds like a black woman's name.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Just like many Wisconsin towns, “Kenosha” ironically sounds like a black woman’s name.

    Or body part.

  125. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    No, good things are coming from these riots.

    The lumpenprole class who make their money selling cheap foreign stuff are having their livelihoods destroyed.

    Women who spent their fertile years building up businesses for the express purpose of selling alcohol or overpriced food are having their livelihoods destroyed.

    Illegal aliens are seing their jobs go up in flames.

    Etc etc etc. No one of any real value or merit is losing anything from the riots.

    They still look bad to casual foreign observers, sure. But several other countries (France, England, etc) weathered that reputation just fine in the mid 2000s.

    For sure, the riots did more to accomplish alt-right fantasies than Trump or Orban ever did.

  126. @Anon
    Only slightly OT:

    Abandoned by authorities, these fire-threatened towns set up their own FEMA-like response
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-24/fire-santa-cruz-mountains-firefighters-fema


    BOULDER CREEK, Calif. — Feeling abandoned by the state and federal government during an unparalleled conflagration of fires, volunteer firefighting units in two Santa Cruz mountain towns have been forced to tap an alternative: Unofficial help from an elite network of the nation’s finest emergency response units — who quickly provided needed equipment and support.
     
    This kind of thing adds to the impression that the United States is unravelling into a bunch of local city-states or neighborhood-village-states that are on their own, Snowcrash-style. You have the autonomous zones and occupy-style encampments, business districts abandoned to mobs, gated communities arming up. The police don’t come or come and don’t do anything. The DA doesn’t charge or doesn’t ask for bail. People are schooling their own children, And now the fire fighters don’t show up (completely different reasons, but it increases the overall apocalyptic vibe).

    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road, and all the stories about Alexander vet-and-camp-follower-settled civilized cities getting hit by migrant horse-riding invaders ring a bell somehow, and even the Greek-settle cities were surrounded by walls in expectation of being invaded, although they didn’t help since the residents were a bunch of pussies and their soldiers were hired mercenaries who switched sides.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Adam Smith, @Chrisnonymous

    This doesn’t sound plausible. Ron Unz says California is doing quite well.

  127. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box.

    Here’s the problem: by the time you’ve seen someone pull a gun out of a glove box and determined that you are now facing a gun, the person holding the gun has already shot you.

    You’re making this sound like the cops had all day to make up their minds about what this guy’s intent was/wasn’t.

    They didn’t: reaction times are typically measured in hundredths of a second.

    Think about that, and what it might mean for police officers who are facing a suspect with a lengthy arrest record who is reaching for “something.”

    And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    Equally likely was his using the car to try to flatten a few cops.

    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

  128. @Almost Missouri
    @RichardTaylor

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots, such that the death count per day and per city is lower than certain past riots. On the other hand, unlike the historical riots where authorities relatively quickly cracked and restored order, the plan today seems to be just to let the rioting go on forever. So mathematically, a lower death rate doesn't matter when the clock can run until infinity.

    Cracking down will momentarily spike the death rate, but that is how you end a riot. Not just in the US. Tiananmen Square in 1989 really was mostly peaceful until the crackdown came. The crackdown was bloody, but the crackdown ended it.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years. Even those local authorities who are minded to crack down (admittedly most are not, and many are not so covertly on the side of the rioters) justly fear that a Biden-Kamala regime next year will task the Department of Justice (using the name loosely here) with going around the country and prosecuting each local authority who wasn't sufficiently tolerant of the "mostly peaceful protests". So local authorities are hoping to survive the summer, let winter clear the streets and find out if the 2021 Feds will let local be local or whether we will be back to the Obama era of the DoJ backseat driving every local police force in the country. No one wants to be the next Ferguson, a town effectively destroyed by deployment of the national media lie machine and Federal shackling of local authority.

    Replies: @BB753, @Alden, @Ma Laoshi

    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots

    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life, with nobody working seriously at anything anymore, instead just recording video of it on their retarded cell phones. The Kickass movie caught that quite well in its mugging scene.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years.

    A condition recurring so reliably that it got its own name: the Silly Season. Maybe this one is sillier than most, but otherwise it’s the same old ritual.

    But it reminds me of a question I’ve had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump. Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he’s clearly not), it should mean no more willing ear and special favors for them (which they feel entitled to and pay for) once they so openly declare for the opposition party.

    So how does all this work? Is Jared Kushner whispering in Trump’s ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more? Is it an expression of overarching jewish power? Or does everyone involved understand that Trump is just a vain moron who gets little done besides tweeting and watching FOX, with many around him hardly more interested in the minutiae of governing?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Ma Laoshi


    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life
     
    Hard agree. (I've never seen, or even heard of, Kickasss, so I can't comment about that part.)

    But it reminds me of a question I’ve had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump.
     
    If the Republicans ever actually used the power of the offices they get elected to, then yes, corporate America would be wary of crossing them. But everyone is aware that Republicans are content just to be in office, they don't bother to wield the power as well. Whereas Dems—in or out of office—always seek to wield power. On the rare occasions a Repub accidentally tries to enact something, an obscure Federal judge appointed by a Dem will just "overrule" it even if they don't have jurisdiction.

    So, short answer: despite the caterwauling, everyone knows they have nothing to fear from Repubs. Dems, by contrast, are like a powerful mafia clan: even if they don't come after you officially, they may still damage you in other covert or overt ways.


    Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he’s clearly not),
     
    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke "The Constitution" while they violate it. Trump's unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.

    P.S. Would you translate "Ma" as "horse", "mother", "number" or "question"?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Ma Laoshi

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Ma Laoshi


    Trump’s ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more
     
    Trump is playing it very safe with black voters - and it seems to pay off. - Is it right what he does? I dunno. Is it effective - might well turn out that yes, his strategy is effective, election wise.
  129. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    Something different in Kenosha is that those being attacked by blm/antifa have begun seriously defending themselves https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/. So far only warning shots have been fired but sooner or later some of the blm/antifa thugs will be shot.

    The obvious next step in the escalating violence that is destroying the USA’s largest cities has always been a reciprocal response to blm/antifa by those these thugs have been attacking. It’s surprising that it took over two months to reach this stage but now we are there. Special circumstances in Kenosha may account for it being the starting point of counter violence to blm/antifa violence. Kenosha is overwhelmingly White and has been particularly hard hit by the establishment’s globalist policies. But now that Kenosha has shown the way I think blm/antifa will no longer be allowed unopposed control of the USA’s urban centers.

    This will either be seen in retrospect as the first flickers of a low key civil war in the USA, something like the “Troubles” in 1920s and 1930s Ireland or the Communist-Freikorps street wars in post WW I Germany, or a wake-up call to the USA’s ruling establishment that Soros’s blm/antifa need to be thoroughly curbed, if not crushed. If the establishment doesn’t do this, a low intensity civil war now seems almost inevitable.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Establishment can't and won't. They have their own civil war between the old White guard of Schumer and Pelosi and Ilhan Omar, Stacey Abrams, and AOC.

    Soon the latter will push out the former and it's full on Race War. One the AOC types think they can win it, two they have the full backing of the military and corporations the two major power centers, and three corps have a Chinese dream.

    Every White man in a Uighur style prison camp to be worked to death for Nike and Apple. Nothing makes higher profits than free forced labor. Plus black! y'all. Black! Black! Black y'all.

  130. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy
     

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html
     

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html
     

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force
     

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596
     

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison
     

    Replies: @fnn, @Hibernian, @AceDeuce, @petit bourgeois

    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home …

    Was he holding the warrant with his teeth?

  131. @J
    From afar, seems to me that these riots and general disorder are frightening non African people, who will necessarily vote for a strong law and order alternative. The large Latino population is not joining the rioting. The phenomenon of Africans enjoying privileges is unknown and unimaginable in Latin America and Latinos in the USA feel uneasy with it. Most will vote Trump.

    Replies: @SC Rebel, @Peter D. Bredon, @Currahee

    And the Democrats keep doubling down on “Whitey is evil” and “Peaceful protests”.

    Not a good recipe for electoral victory.

  132. Kenosha: Another Night, Another Riot

    I always flirt with death
    I could kill, but I don’t care about it
    I can face your threats
    And stand up straight and tall and shout about it

    I think I’m on another world with you, with you
    I’m on another planet with you, with you

    You get under my skin
    I don’t find it irritating
    You always play to win
    But I won’t need rehabilitating, oh no

  133. @Anon
    @Anonymous



    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?
     
    It’s Raoul McLaughlin’s The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes. I had previously read his The Roman Empire and the Indian Ocean. I think he has a third volume in the works.

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Indian-Ocean-Kingdoms-ebook/dp/B00OZ3HWM2/

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Silk-Routes-Ancient-ebook/dp/B01MA3TAQ5/

    The author dropped out of his Ph.D. program in Belfast due to lack of funds. He has spent the last decade or so finishing his research and writing books on his own, apparently living in his parents’ basement or something. His angle is Rome’s foreign trade, which is often overlooked. His books are interesting in their geekiness, which is what you get without an editor (although they are scrupulously copyedited and professionally produced). He has reconstructed the economy and annual budgets of ancient Rome using triangulation on various factors, and then shows how much Rome depended on overseas trade, yet how it squandered most of its silver and gold in the process. The first volume deals with east Africa, the Arabian pennisula, and India, trading for frankincense, pepper, and the like, in exchange for gold and an extinct sort of red coral from the Mediterranean Sea. The second volume deasl with silk and the like via the Silk Road. I had no idea how far afield Roman ships ventured. And apparently for hundreds of years there was a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez wide enough for two ships to pass in places, but it was never perfectly maintained and functional its whole length, so it never really got use. Instead they built a wall around a road the whole way and Roman soldiers would escort camel caravans.

    McLaughlin does that 19th century historian thing of including all his research materials in the text and footnotes of the book: For instance, he establishes the important of silk in Rome via every friggin’ mention of it in extant commercial documents, graffiti, tombstone engravings, mentions in poetry and drama and history, shipwreak discoveries, the New Testament, and whatnot. I like this approach: I can judge how much I trust the writer’s judgment. He reconstructs a world in which everyone wanted silk and its use grew and grew. The Romans imported Chinese silk cloth and thread. The cloth they unwound back into thread, and then they re-weaved it into more thin, translucent fabric. Think of the labor in that. The state got, can’t remember, but maybe a 20 percent tax on imports, and the importers were broke when they returned, so they just gave the government the tax in silk. The Roman government owned a huge amount of silk.

    I was led to these quirky books from the tiny book cover thumbnails that genetics blogger Razib Khan includes in his blog posts. The guy reads widely.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG, @Dave Pinsen

    Thanks! I’ve seen some of his youtube videos, I’ll have to try one of his books.

  134. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him?

    Do you propose to shoot him through the car door?

    How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car’s licence plate number and picking him up at leisure?

    You just witnessed what happens when cops try to “pick him up”. How could you possibly imagine it would be different at another time and place? How many times would you allow the process to repeat itself?

    Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    It is a principle of all policing everywhere.

  135. @Anonymous
    @astrolabe


    You appear to have caught a nasty dose of Dunning Kruger.
     
    What about his comment is Dunning Kruger-like?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    Speaking as someone who did a fair amount of research involving police work, it’s quite clear that Annonymous doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. His ignorance is only exceeded by the cocky assurance with which he pontificates on matters about which he is clueless. A classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    BTW, it is now manifest that the thug the policeman shot was, in fact, reaching for an illegal pistol which he’d stowed away in his car.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "it is now manifest that the thug the policeman shot was, in fact, reaching for an illegal pistol which he’d stowed away in his car."

    I haven't seen confirmation of that. Can you provide a source?

  136. @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    So all in all this encounter can be described, by both sides, as mostly peaceful.

  137. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Real life isn't like movies. By the time a gun appears it is too late for the cop. People who are not trained in this badly over estimate their reaction time . By the time the cop sees the gun and has time to register the threat, he will have already been shot. Same with a knife
    attacker. If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot. Verified over and over and over again. And "shooting out the tires" is a Hollywood meme.

    Maybe this guy was just going to drive away, but odds are very high this guy had an illegal gun in his car. Most low income blacks do. If they are dressed like this guy, it is virtually a 100% certainty.

    So what is the appropriate response? This "victim" had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge. The cops were called on a domestic disturbance call. Are they supposed to just let this violent criminal go because he won't cooperate? What is the point of having police if they can't arrest people who just don't like being arrested that day?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @John Johnson

    You’re wasting your keystrokes on this retardate.

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”–Jonathon Swift

  138. @BB753
    @Thoughts

    Paid goons. FBI assets.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    Paid goons. FBI assets.

    Correction: Soros-funded goons.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Is there a difference?

  139. @Anon
    In 20 years your grandchildren will learn about these peaceful protests punctuated by white supremacist violence in school. That is the point of the mainstream media sticking so closely with that narrative.

    It doesn't matter that some of you saw some Andy Ngo videos and know that narrative is insanity. They are writing the history books your grandchildren will read right in front of your eyes.

    Peaceful protests, unfettered police violence, white supremacists, Russian vote tampering will all be indisputable historical fact in 20 years. Sure, there will be some fringe conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise, but just look at these news reports from people who were actually there, kids.

    This has been the play from about WWII onward... and it has been amazingly successful.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Peaceful protests, unfettered police violence, white supremacists, Russian vote tampering will all be indisputable historical fact in 20 years. Sure, there will be some fringe conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise, but just look at these news reports from people who were actually there, kids.

    This has been the play from about WWII onward… and it has been amazingly successful.

    Heck, you could go back another 300 years and find this phenomenon with the treatment of Charles for defending his people against plutocrats and religious lunatics.

  140. @Hypnotoad666
    @RichardTaylor


    Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them?
     
    One thing that's different is the appatent lack of any will to stop the destruction. I don't know what police in Kenosha are doing. But so far, in most places the cops just watch stuff burn and the DAs don't press charges.

    It's the sense that lawlessness is ritualistic and officially sanctioned that is so disturbing. On the plus side, it's an exclusively Democrat controlled phenomenon. But then again, they control all the major cities.

    Replies: @Seneca44

    As one who lives in a Kenosha sized city, I sent our local sheriff an e-mail asking if he had any sort of contingency plan for our town if such riots should occur after a police involved shooting. I haven’t received a reply yet, so I suspect the answer is no.

    I don’t think the police or even the National Guard can react as quickly as the protesters appear, so cities who wish to maintain their integrity should start recruiting local talent with second amendment approved tools.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Seneca44

    I don’t think the police or even the National Guard can react as quickly as the protesters appear, so cities who wish to maintain their integrity should start recruiting local talent with second amendment approved tools.

    This is correct.

    The police are easily outnumbered in a situation like this and it can take hours for the guard to arrive.

    Following the law in a free society is an honor system.

    The only way to put down a riot quickly with a small force is to use live rounds. That is why they used to do it. You have to make the risk / reward completely unfavorable. Leave a couple dead looters on the streets and the rest will go back to watching tv.

  141. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    Cherry writes that “diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country.” I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Because, without that anger, we might not be convinced that our treatment of blacks marks us as moral monsters who deserve to be destroyed.

    From Kevin MacDonald’s What Makes Western Culture Unique?:

    Essentially this research provides a model of the evolution of cooperation among individualistic peoples. Their results are most applicable to individualistic groups because such groups are not based on extended kinship relationships and are therefore much more prone to defection. In general, high levels of altruistic punishment are more likely to be found among individualistic, hunter-gather societies than in kinship-based societies based on the extended family. Their results are least applicable to groups such as Jewish groups or other highly collectivist groups which in traditional societies were based on extended kinship relationships, known kinship linkages, and repeated interactions among members. In such situations, actors know the people with whom they are cooperating and anticipate future cooperation because they are enmeshed in extended kinship networks, or, as in the case of Jews, they are in the same group.

    Europeans are thus exactly the sort of groups modeled by this research: They are groups with high levels of cooperation with strangers rather than with extended family members, and they are prone to market relations and individualism.

    This suggests the fascinating possibility that the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy—a manifestation of their stronger tendency toward altruistic punishment deriving from their evolutionary past as hunter gatherers. In making judgments of altruistic punishment, relative genetic distance is irrelevant. Free-riders are seen as strangers in a market situation; i.e., they have no familial or tribal connection with the altruistic punisher.

    ***

    The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done.

  142. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    These protests are not about police brutality in general, they’re about white cops shooting black suspects. And that, specifically, has been decreasing substantially for years, so your contention that this is some kind of crisis that would inevitably explode cannot be sustained.

    The only way that zero black suspects will be shot is for policing to be abandoned in its entirety. BLM has already said that this is their goal, for, I guess, their own racial reasons. This is the goal of Antifa as well but for different reasons. Antifa doesn’t care about race or gender or any of that stuff, but they will happily use those as pretexts to destroy law and order, because without the police, there is no way for the government to enforce the law, and without law enforcement, there’s no government.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  143. @Cloudbuster
    @Dr. X

    I don’t think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    We'll send you out to wrangle the next non-cooperative black who "might" have a weapon.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Dr. X


    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.
     
    And it's brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    , @John Johnson
    @Dr. X

    They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.

    They never hired dumb guys. That is a Hollywood myth.

    The average policeman has to memorize far more information than the average high school education. It was never a job where a big guy can just show up and put on a badge.

    It is true they used to hire mostly large White men until the US went PC and decided that 5'5 women shouldn't be turned down.

    But what is really amusing here is that yet again no one is suggesting that Blacks be agents of change.

    Even the most die-hard race denying leftist will focus on the police and have zero expectation that the community can change in any positive way. If race doesn't exist then why do leftists and egalitarians have such low expectations?

    It's always about the police and the system. If Blacks mouth off and resist arrest then that's still somehow caused by White racism. Egalitarians don't realize how much they treat Blacks like wild animals. For all their talk of equality they seem to be most upset when the police don't corral or contain Blacks humanely. The daily state of chaos in Black communities doesn't upset them.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Dr. X

    Myths. Killings of suspects (both black and White) by police are lower than in decades, perhaps ever.

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Dr. X

    But then the Jew lawyers showed up arguing that that was eevul, and that even less than deadly force such as tasers are equally eevul. So now we have cops who need to assume that potentially deadly force with a firearm is the only way they might not be killed when things get janky. Ah, but those Jew lawyers, and now Jew district attorneys cut from the same cloth to make it a true no win situation, having advanced the ratchet on the cops' racks several clicks, make even that untenable. Such a blessing they have proven. Dead cops, terrorized citizens, crippled communities. Tikkun olam in action.

    , @Anonymousse
    @Dr. X


    That’s chickenshit
     
    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.

    Replies: @Dr. X

  144. @jill
    Watch this till the end...similar to Blake reaching into his car


    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1273392671705272321

    Replies: @black sea, @Rob McX, @vinteuil

    Thank you for posting this video. There are some intellectually disabled commenters on this thread who might benefit from watching it several times.

  145. @NJ Transit Commuter
    You really have to wonder what Democrats are thinking when they don’t immediately condemn and crack down on this criminality.

    Wisconsin is going to be a key state to win in November. Do Democrats really think this will gain them votes?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anon, @JosephB, @TTSSYF, @Anon, @bro3886, @Svigor

    Hold on there, partner; how about wondering what the flying #*@! Republicans are doing about this? Are they even expending hot air in “opposition”?

    LOL @ conservatives who still think the GOP represents them, gives a damn about them, is ever gonna take a break from serving big business and the donor class long enough to lift a finger for them, etc.

    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas…

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Svigor


    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas…
     
    So, what's *your* plan?

    Replies: @Svigor

  146. @Jonathan Silber
    Maybe black ghettos should be patrolled by black policemen only.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I think it might come to that. The problem is that what white guy in his right mind would sign up to be a new cop now? Are we looking at a future police department that will be mostly minority?

    I’ve wondered here if the push to de-fund police while de-criminalizing crime is a long con to create an excuse for a federal police force that would take the place of local cops.

    What if the police department of the future basically looks like Antifa?

    • Agree: danand
    • Replies: @Moses
    @JimDandy


    I’ve wondered here if the push to de-fund police while de-criminalizing crime is a long con to create an excuse for a federal police force that would take the place of local cops.

     

    Bingo.
  147. @jill
    Watch this till the end...similar to Blake reaching into his car


    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1273392671705272321

    Replies: @black sea, @Rob McX, @vinteuil

    The guy in the video was sentenced to 53½ to 110 years for attempted murder.

    He was acquitted of the offence on suspicion of which he was stopped ,i.e. driving under the influence.

    He was let go without charge when when he was initially stopped a short time earlier. It was he who stopped the cop on the occasion that resulted in the shootout, because he was annoyed at their having stopped him the first time: “The stop took all my time, so I thought I’d call him back and take up his time”.

  148. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    It all comes down to jevvish racism, ethnocentrism, whatever you want to call it. If not for jevvs’ ethnic narcissism, they would have solved their personal problems eons ago. But the open secret is that if they get over their racism, they’ll assimilate and cease to exist. And to an extent they’ve been doing that all along, with a lot of their group members just leaving jevvry and assimilating into surrounding humanity. On the other hand, the jevvs have even managed to turn this into a racist practice, one-way gene flow that cuckoo-birds their genetic material into the surrounding populations.

    That said, it’s all about jevvish angst (an inevitable and justified reaction to their own ethnic malfeasance).

    Their whole culture is centered around deflecting blame away from their tribe, no matter how well-deserved (the very concept of jevvry deserving blame for anything is “anti-semitic,” LOL), and preventing expulsion #umpteen, pogrom #xxxx, or shoah 2.0 (I refer to such cultures as “hardened,” with jevvs representing perhaps the apotheosis). Both the former goal and the collective jevvish personality profile (extraverts and ethnic narcissists) prevents the very concept of jevvish ethnic self-review or tribal moral inventory, so they rely on outward-centered strategies to achieve the latter goal. E.g., most obviously, divide et impera.

    Jevvs want Whites and blacks at each others’ throats so they’ll be too busy to even notice the jevvs. Also, to the ignorant grug-brained NPC, the differences between Whites and blacks dwarfs the distance between Whites and jevvs. And Whites are capable enough to rival jevvs, given the desire (there are other groups with sufficient ability to rival jevvs, but none of them both create societies jevvs attractive to jevvs and are naive enough to not really see the jevvs coming), while blacks aren’t, so it makes sense for jevvs to use blacks as a weapon against Whites. Look at how much they hate Iran, for example, a country that hasn’t harmed a hair on its jevvish community’s head, and on the other hand keeps them at arms length and well away from any decision-making power in their society.

    A chaotic country in which Whites are terrified into submission by squads of blacks and antifa freaks is far preferable to jevvs to an orderly country full of jevv-wise Whites.

    If you want to understand how jevvs feel about Whites, even if only subconsciously, consider White slaveholders in the antebellum south; most of them probably took a relatively benign approach to their black slaves, as long as the blacks didn’t pose a threat But once the blacks started getting uppity, showing signs of posing a threat to White dominance, that benign attitude was likely to be replaced with fear and hostility. As soon as Uncle Tom starts talking about fighting for his freedom or about blacks having their own space, away from Whites, well…

    If you really want to understand this stuff, go to therightstuffDOTbiz and listen to The Daily Shoah podcast archives. Maybe start around episode 200 or 300 though, because they’ve gotten a lot better over time.

  149. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    Pritzker and Obama had nothing to do with it. Chicago blacks began moving to Wisconsin in the 1970s looking for higher welfare.

    I remember reading an article in National Review about what the savage black children were doing to Kenosha public schools in the mid 198os.

    Chicago Blacks could have moved to Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky, or stayed in Illinois They chose Wisconsin because it has much higher welfare than any other state bordering Illinois.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Abolish_public_education, @Anonymous Jew

    I have learned that they invaded Duluth, Minnesota for the higher gibs, as well.

  150. @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.

    And it’s brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @ben tillman


    And it’s brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.
     
    Exactly. Thank you, sir

    To the true believer Leftist ideologue, the false notion of "equality" must trump every other practical concern, no matter the cost in dollars or even human lives. The same sort of insanity is now rampant in the military as well.

    The Satanic Elites, on the other hand, perfectly understand the ultimate goal of the insanity.

    The complete destruction of our civilization.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  151. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    The point of police is their brutality. If you aren’t willing to use deadly force to enforce the law, don’t have the law. If you’re going to have a law, you need to be more committed to enforcing it than criminals are to breaking it, which means that law enforcement is ultimately a test of wills between those that swear to uphold the law and those who choose to rebel against it. As such, it is definitely preferable that cops be too aggressive rather than not aggressive enough.

  152. If you want to understand how jevvs feel about Whites, even if only subconsciously, consider White slaveholders in the antebellum south; most of them probably took a relatively benign approach to their black slaves, as long as the blacks didn’t pose a threat But once the blacks started getting uppity, showing signs of posing a threat to White dominance, that benign attitude was likely to be replaced with fear and hostility. As soon as Uncle Tom starts talking about fighting for his freedom or about blacks having their own space, away from Whites, well…

    To elaborate, if you really want to know how nice your nice jevvish dentist is, 1) get him talking about Zionism long enough to say some standard Zionist stuff like “the jevvish people have a right to exist,” “Israel is a jevvish state,” “the jevvish people must survive,” etc., then 2) scratch off the jevvish parts, replace them with White parts, repeat them back to him, and watch the whole tone of the conversation suddenly change; jevvs regard Whites as their meal ticket and simply do not afford them rights equal to jevvs’; Whitey does not get to have White Zions, because muh self-serving jevvish interpretation of history, because muh ethnic narcissism. And if, after listening to the standard jevvish pilpul and special pleading, you persist, well, you’re a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjevvs.

    There’s also a long tradition of pump-and-dump in the jevvish diaspora; if one freier country gets wise, well, there’s always another one elsewhere to move to.

  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    You are out of your mind Buzz. This is the boomer mentality that was propagandized into your skull for decades.

    As many culturally conservative libertarians have been exploring and expounding upon for years, the West became the “West” because of its extreme decentralization and competition among authorities. This followed from the intermix among Christianity and the limitations it imposes on followers, serving as a foundation and providing a pivotal Church authority, strong familial cultures (clans, etc.), and Latin and Greek logic.

    The fracturing began with the Reformation and Renaissance, backward or jaundiced movements both of them (albeit with some forward developments), and the sheer violence of the Reformers and their absolutist kings and parliaments, which required populations to tether themselves increasingly to larger and larger states for protection.

    The large state is no longer necessary or helpful for granting this protection. Its unique distinction has been lost. Decentralization, free trade and managed borders is the only path for the future. It’s not moral nor sensible for people in California to have power over those in Texas. Holy people and communities will emerge strong and grounded; others, not so much.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Perry Mason


    As many culturally conservative libertarians
     
    Stopped reading right there.
  154. @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

    They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.

    They never hired dumb guys. That is a Hollywood myth.

    The average policeman has to memorize far more information than the average high school education. It was never a job where a big guy can just show up and put on a badge.

    It is true they used to hire mostly large White men until the US went PC and decided that 5’5 women shouldn’t be turned down.

    But what is really amusing here is that yet again no one is suggesting that Blacks be agents of change.

    Even the most die-hard race denying leftist will focus on the police and have zero expectation that the community can change in any positive way. If race doesn’t exist then why do leftists and egalitarians have such low expectations?

    It’s always about the police and the system. If Blacks mouth off and resist arrest then that’s still somehow caused by White racism. Egalitarians don’t realize how much they treat Blacks like wild animals. For all their talk of equality they seem to be most upset when the police don’t corral or contain Blacks humanely. The daily state of chaos in Black communities doesn’t upset them.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  155. The morons never ask, “And then what?” What happens to YOU when you’ve driven every business out of your town? When there’s no tax base? When you’ve destroyed your community and it’s not coming back. There are no jobs and you have no skills. What happens to YOU then?

  156. The “riots” are now an ingrained part of how the democratic party uses their power in the USA…it’s not going away.

  157. @Beavertales
    The P-51 Mustang took only 149 days from the contract signing in May 1940, to the first prototype rolling out in Sept 1940.

    In 2020, after months of protests, the police still have no water cannons to blast protestors off statues and out of the streets. America is not the country it used to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DsHZ7_JU_E

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    There doesn’t seem to much of a history of water cannon usage on large crowds in the US.

    United States

    Truck-based water cannon, and fire hoses used as improvised water cannons, were used widely in the United States during the 1960s for both riot control and suppressing peaceful civil rights marches, including the infamous use ordered by Eugene “Bull” Connor in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.[24] [25] The newsreel footage of police turning water cannons and police dogs on civilians—both student protesters and bystanders alike, including children as young as six—widely viewed as shocking and inappropriate and helped turn public sympathies towards civil rights. [26] Water cannons were used in November 2016 against water protectors at Standing Rock. [27] In August 2020, state senator Floyd Prozanski suggested water cannons be used by police against protesters in Portland. [28]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cannon

    Medics Describe How Police Sprayed Standing Rock Demonstrators With Tear Gas and Water Cannons
    Medics caring for injured demonstrators at the Standing Rock protests estimated that 168 people were treated for hypothermia.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/21/medics-describe-how-police-sprayed-standing-rock-demonstrators-with-tear-gas-and-water-cannons/

    I speculate that the USA First Amendment tends to be respected by citizens and municipal governments so that incidental violence is minimized enough for your SOP tear gas, rubber bullets and bean bags to be effective.

    Now we have a sustained campaign against civil authority paid for rich people. I heard Amy Jacobson (WIND 560AM) this morning saying that antifa were flying in and driving to Kenosha.

  158. @Anon7
    @Driveby Commenter

    Former police officer goes through the suspect's criminal record, the current complaint, and the videos that show what happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Sp8EIHu1A

    His take: officer shooting justified.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Hmm. Because of the Violence Against Women Act, passed largely by Joe Biden’s influence, police have NO discretion when called on domestic violence. If the call here was about domestic violence, then it would violate VAWA not to arrest.

    So, you might questionJoe Biden as to ether VAWA should not apply in the case of calls on black men.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  159. @Seneca44
    @Hypnotoad666

    As one who lives in a Kenosha sized city, I sent our local sheriff an e-mail asking if he had any sort of contingency plan for our town if such riots should occur after a police involved shooting. I haven't received a reply yet, so I suspect the answer is no.

    I don't think the police or even the National Guard can react as quickly as the protesters appear, so cities who wish to maintain their integrity should start recruiting local talent with second amendment approved tools.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I don’t think the police or even the National Guard can react as quickly as the protesters appear, so cities who wish to maintain their integrity should start recruiting local talent with second amendment approved tools.

    This is correct.

    The police are easily outnumbered in a situation like this and it can take hours for the guard to arrive.

    Following the law in a free society is an honor system.

    The only way to put down a riot quickly with a small force is to use live rounds. That is why they used to do it. You have to make the risk / reward completely unfavorable. Leave a couple dead looters on the streets and the rest will go back to watching tv.

  160. @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

    Myths. Killings of suspects (both black and White) by police are lower than in decades, perhaps ever.

  161. @Dan Smith
    Amazing how the peaceful protests turn into riots. How does the NYT explain it?

    Replies: @El Dato, @kaganovitch

    Intensification.

  162. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little - evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault - more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn't be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick, @Buzz Mohawk, @JMcG, @Dr. X

    Kenosha still has the Brat Stop http://www.bratstopentertainment.com/

  163. @Anon
    @Driveby Commenter

    Real life isn't like movies. By the time a gun appears it is too late for the cop. People who are not trained in this badly over estimate their reaction time . By the time the cop sees the gun and has time to register the threat, he will have already been shot. Same with a knife
    attacker. If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot. Verified over and over and over again. And "shooting out the tires" is a Hollywood meme.

    Maybe this guy was just going to drive away, but odds are very high this guy had an illegal gun in his car. Most low income blacks do. If they are dressed like this guy, it is virtually a 100% certainty.

    So what is the appropriate response? This "victim" had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge. The cops were called on a domestic disturbance call. Are they supposed to just let this violent criminal go because he won't cooperate? What is the point of having police if they can't arrest people who just don't like being arrested that day?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @John Johnson

    If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot.

    Doesn’t apply here because the cop had the drop on him.

    So what is the appropriate response? This “victim” had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge.

    Shoot him once in the shoulder instead of unloading randomly. He could have shot his partner with how poorly he was maintaining control. The last shot he double tapped.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @John Johnson

    Too many episodes of The Lone Ranger. He should just shoot the gun out of his hand.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @John Johnson

    The Kenosha PD is accepti9ng applications if you'd like to put your money where your mouth is, and show the cops there how it should be done.

  164. @ben tillman
    @Dr. X


    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That’s chickenshit.
     
    And it's brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    And it’s brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.

    Exactly. Thank you, sir

    To the true believer Leftist ideologue, the false notion of “equality” must trump every other practical concern, no matter the cost in dollars or even human lives. The same sort of insanity is now rampant in the military as well.

    The Satanic Elites, on the other hand, perfectly understand the ultimate goal of the insanity.

    The complete destruction of our civilization.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @GeneralRipper

    In the Army, shortly before I retired from the Illinois Army National Guard, the powers that be decreed that for one of the three events in the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), the situp, the standards for men and women would be the same.

    Previously women were required to meet higher standards in this event because they had an advantage in the event. This was due to the fact that muscles which had evolved to better facilitate childbirth were key muscles for the situp.

    Men continued to be expected to do better in the pushup and the two mile run (which was entirely reasonable.) The Army now had bragging rights for having one event in which men and women had to meet the same standard.

    Seems to me the bragging rights would be greater for the old way of requiring the women to do better in one event, to compensate for the fact that they got a break on the other two.

  165. @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

    But then the Jew lawyers showed up arguing that that was eevul, and that even less than deadly force such as tasers are equally eevul. So now we have cops who need to assume that potentially deadly force with a firearm is the only way they might not be killed when things get janky. Ah, but those Jew lawyers, and now Jew district attorneys cut from the same cloth to make it a true no win situation, having advanced the ratchet on the cops’ racks several clicks, make even that untenable. Such a blessing they have proven. Dead cops, terrorized citizens, crippled communities. Tikkun olam in action.

  166. @El Dato
    From the NYT:

    One resident said he had little problem with burning businesses to spur social change and reform to policing. “It’s unfortunate, but it has to be done,” said Wayne Gardner, who lives around the corner.
     
    The causal chain to achieve that from this eludes me.

    It's really a sectarian belief system.

    Despite early successes in repelling the Roman sieges, the Zealots fought amongst themselves, and they lacked proper leadership, resulting in poor discipline, training, and preparation for the battles that were to follow. At one point they destroyed the food stocks in the city, a drastic measure thought to have been undertaken perhaps in order to enlist a merciful God's intervention on behalf of the besieged Jews, or as a stratagem to make the defenders more desperate, supposing that was necessary in order to repel the Roman army.
     

    Replies: @Altai, @Nachum

    The general Rabbinic view (and the earliest rabbis were actually there) is that they preferred direct conflict to sitting out the siege and either tiring out the Romans and/or reaching some sort of truce, in either case basically returning to the status quo.

  167. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    Pritzker and Obama had nothing to do with it. Chicago blacks began moving to Wisconsin in the 1970s looking for higher welfare.

    I remember reading an article in National Review about what the savage black children were doing to Kenosha public schools in the mid 198os.

    Chicago Blacks could have moved to Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky, or stayed in Illinois They chose Wisconsin because it has much higher welfare than any other state bordering Illinois.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Abolish_public_education, @Anonymous Jew

    100% White (e.g. economically segregated) public schools suck, too.

    A sniper is trained to shoot to kill. LH was following FBI (i.e. an unconstitutional, federal police force) protocol.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Abolish_public_education

    I was an armed clerk and I was trained to aim center of mass. I'd like to know who in the entire world was ever trained to shoot to maim. I know Richard J. Daley ordered his cops to do this to looters, and to shoot to kill only arsonists. Whether any of them were ever trained to do this is another story.

  168. Another building has been engulfed in flames:

    Best comment in that thread: “They were mostly peaceful flames.”

  169. @Svigor
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Hold on there, partner; how about wondering what the flying #*@! Republicans are doing about this? Are they even expending hot air in "opposition"?

    LOL @ conservatives who still think the GOP represents them, gives a damn about them, is ever gonna take a break from serving big business and the donor class long enough to lift a finger for them, etc.

    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas...

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas…

    So, what’s *your* plan?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @ben tillman

    We can start by recognizing that the whole rotten kosher sandwich, both slabs of bread, Democrat Party and Republican Party, are bad and need to go.


    (seems Dems didn’t change much in 150 yr)
     
    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they're the Dems from 150 years ago.

    If they were, I'd be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.

    Cuckservatives - still obsessed with the Greens and the Blues crap. It's like believing pro wrestling is real.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  170. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    Is this really a big mystery? About a hundred years ago the less-traditional American Jews decided (incorrectly, as it turned out) that the most “progressive” views were the ones most likely to serve their own interests as well, and that of course included defending blacks. Successive generations just sort of absorbed that unthinkingly, with, at best, a small sprinkling of the made-up idea that Judaism is identical to “progressivism.”

    Jews who live in more, um, “diverse” areas (or Jews whose parents fled from such areas) tend to have a more nuanced view of race relations, but those don’t account for most American Jews, unfortunately.

    The neocons *were* actually of that last category, aided by the fact that things went really bad in the 1960’s, but the attitude only took them so far, being as “respectable” as they were. And of course they really don’t like Trump, so that overrides everything.

    I’m sure all of these people- or at least the type that write for The Atlantic- would be shocked if you told them they were stirring up violence, but that is what they’re doing, perhaps subconsciously or perhaps not even that. Not that that would let them off the hook, of course.

  171. The Facebook page of that UU church is very revealing. They have a statement about how buildings aren’t important, and how some “folks” have pointed out that their sign contributed to the fire itself. (I myself simply noted “Proverbs 11:29” on my own page.) I’m actually shocked that they even *acknowledged* those “folks,” but of course they go on to say that while every life matters blah blah “given the overwhelming and disproportionate injustice suffered by Americans of color…”

    I actually asked in all “innocence” for some facts to back up that last assertion, but remembering how vicious these types can get, I deleted it.

    The first bunch of comments on the post are a bunch of other UUs and Episcopalians praising this church to high heaven. And then the “folks” show up and begin making some very common-sense points. I mostly limited myself to liking all of those “folks.” We’ll see what develops, but it’s a good sign.

    (I also saw the local Kenosha news site. Lots of pictures of “peaceful protests” in broad daylight. Nothing else.)

  172. @jimmyriddle
    Iconic Andy Ngo Portland mugshot

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297992088483581953

    Replies: @El Dato, @anonymous, @DextersLabRat

    I have yet to see a single attractive Antifa member. They’re all ugly white people with little prospects but who aren’t the types to become construction or oil field workers.

  173. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    It’s a fluke that Blake didn’t die instantly.

    True, but 2020 has been a really unlucky year all around

  174. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    The police force is horribly brutal because they’re dealing with horribly brutal 65 IQ barely-evolved mongrels out of their mind on crack with plenty of guns lying around. Don’t worry, with the ever-expanding population of blacks and peasant North Africans and Arabs, you too will know what a horribly brutal police force is like in due time. Meanwhile, I hope you’re using a VPN because I’m pretty sure it’s practically a crime to browse this website in the UK. But of course imprisoning people for their opinions is not horribly brutal.

    • LOL: Aeronerauk
  175. @Carol
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That's how they do it in the UK, yes?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    Only when it’s a Muslim raping a working-class white girl.

  176. @RichardTaylor
    Are these riots as bad as the past? Like the Watts Riot (34 dead) or the Rodney King Riots (63 dead)?

    I believe the current riots have killed around 30-something. Not trivial, but why is there such a pall of doom about them? Why do we think major cities are done?

    Maybe this feels different because of a sense of futility. Or, could it be because White liberal areas (instead of just Black areas) are getting hit? And the "in-crowd" feels depressed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @duncsbaby, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri, @bro3886, @Anonymousse

    These riots are different because basically every institution that matters is completely behind them.

  177. @J
    From afar, seems to me that these riots and general disorder are frightening non African people, who will necessarily vote for a strong law and order alternative. The large Latino population is not joining the rioting. The phenomenon of Africans enjoying privileges is unknown and unimaginable in Latin America and Latinos in the USA feel uneasy with it. Most will vote Trump.

    Replies: @SC Rebel, @Peter D. Bredon, @Currahee

    Amazingly, the Repubs were right about Hispanics as “natural conservatives” who would shore up their electoral margins. It just took the Democrats to promote rioting.

  178. @Ma Laoshi
    @Almost Missouri


    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots
     
    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life, with nobody working seriously at anything anymore, instead just recording video of it on their retarded cell phones. The Kickass movie caught that quite well in its mugging scene.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years.
     
    A condition recurring so reliably that it got its own name: the Silly Season. Maybe this one is sillier than most, but otherwise it's the same old ritual.

    But it reminds me of a question I've had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump. Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he's clearly not), it should mean no more willing ear and special favors for them (which they feel entitled to and pay for) once they so openly declare for the opposition party.

    So how does all this work? Is Jared Kushner whispering in Trump's ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more? Is it an expression of overarching jewish power? Or does everyone involved understand that Trump is just a vain moron who gets little done besides tweeting and watching FOX, with many around him hardly more interested in the minutiae of governing?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Dieter Kief

    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life

    Hard agree. (I’ve never seen, or even heard of, Kickasss, so I can’t comment about that part.)

    But it reminds me of a question I’ve had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump.

    If the Republicans ever actually used the power of the offices they get elected to, then yes, corporate America would be wary of crossing them. But everyone is aware that Republicans are content just to be in office, they don’t bother to wield the power as well. Whereas Dems—in or out of office—always seek to wield power. On the rare occasions a Repub accidentally tries to enact something, an obscure Federal judge appointed by a Dem will just “overrule” it even if they don’t have jurisdiction.

    So, short answer: despite the caterwauling, everyone knows they have nothing to fear from Repubs. Dems, by contrast, are like a powerful mafia clan: even if they don’t come after you officially, they may still damage you in other covert or overt ways.

    Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he’s clearly not),

    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke “The Constitution” while they violate it. Trump’s unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.

    P.S. Would you translate “Ma” as “horse”, “mother”, “number” or “question”?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Almost Missouri


    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke “The Constitution” while they violate it. Trump’s unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.
     
    You are absolutely right about this.
    , @Ma Laoshi
    @Almost Missouri


    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke “The Constitution” while they violate it.
     
    My Kickass reference didn't come across well, let me try again; Gangs of New York this time, with the Boss in Tammany Hall saying "No, we won't do it that way. The appearance of the law must be upheld--especially when it's being broken." (seems Dems didn't change much in 150 yr) Anyway, this may be more due to Trump being an inexperienced figure without his own power base in Washington, the only place that counts. When I see that orange mug, the first word that comes to mind is not "Constitutionalism" for me; but yes, I sorta know what you're saying. Even outside the GOP stable, I'm thinking of people like Michael Tracey, it's often said "For a supposed tin-pot dictator (or so we're being told), Trump isn't making much headway in imposing his will on the country."

    It may indeed have real-word consequence that Repubs dislike the idea of government. Even so, I'd argue the last actually strong president was Dick Cheney; not that it did anybody much good apart from Halliburton. But, but: if Trump is putting real clout behind chasing American companies out of China, it may make him a bunch of new enemies in an unexpected corner. Maybe this corporate BLM stuff is already a reaction to that; we'll have to see I guess.

    I can be more definite elsewhere: Ma is "horse", which is what I chose for a family name when I had to pick a Chinese name. Guess I'm one of the lucky few who legitimately did get to pick his own identity, without anything getting cut off LOL.
  179. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    Rhetorical question, right?

    Jews hate Whites and use bleks as a tool to destroy them.

  180. @Buzz Mohawk
    @JMcG

    Yes, yes, I knew that was coming. (I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.)

    Okay. You have a country, or do you? If you don't then no one else on Earth does. Do you care? Do you want the opportunity to argue and participate in the management of your resources?

    Or do you just want to look at everything as totally shit-shorn-fucked? FUBAR as usual? Just give up then, man! That makes you worthless to me or anyone else who cares.

    Replies: @shoot, @Known Fact

    Them that care about big lie illusions are worthlessly compensating…but psych/emotional defenses feel worth something, as do stacks of FRNs.

    Earth’s chockabloc full of earthlings who swallow-regurgitate Borg identity. And for those teeming clods of the continent thems resistance does not even rise to the level of futility. That lot has no resistance. The virus has ’em.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @shoot

    I ran your comment through Google Translate, but it came out the same, so I don't quite know what you are saying, but thank you nonetheless.

    I mean this with good spirits and in humility. Thank you for your reply. Someone recently commented that few read my comments, but I always find new names like yours in reply. In fact, even that commenter had a name I had never seen before, and HE read my comment, so logically his claim is untrue.

    I still don't exactly know what you are saying, though.

    Replies: @shoot

  181. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him?

    Or maybe they could just shoot the gun out of his hand, like Roy Rogers did in those old singing Cowboy movies.

    How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?

    Do you know how accurate a handgun is? Not very. Most handgun shootings are within a distance of 7 m. By the time you shoot out one tire (and a car can still drive on three tires), the car might be 20 ft. down the road. So if you try to shoot out the other tires, you’re just shooting into a car with three kids in it. Does that sound like a good plan?

    Or even how about noting the car’s licence plate number and picking him up at leisure?

    And why would the suspect be any more compliant then? Maybe, when you are picking him up at your leisure, he is no more interested in being arrested than he was during the first encounter. So what do you now? Call in the SWAT guys? A half dozen more cops armed with semi-automatic rifles and flash-bang grenades? Will that lead to a better outcome?

    Perhaps the police shouldn’t use their sidearms at all? Maybe that cop should have just wrestled the suspect to the ground mano-a-mano and subdued him by – oh, I don’t know – putting his knee on his neck. Yeah – that’s the ticket! That would have ended much differently.

    You are right that there is a problem with police in the US – that they often use force, even deadly force, when they should not. It is a real problem. But right now there are political forces using these events as pretexts to foment revolution, and that is more important and disturbing.

    • Agree: Alden
  182. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    You could sail from Yemen to India with the monsoon wind at your back quite easily at a certain season of the year. Getting back to the Red Sea was harder but not too difficult. But I guess few Romans went around Southeast Asia to China. I've heard of two Roman ambassadors who made it, but I guess silk was more of an overland trade item.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ginger bread man, @Dave Pinsen

    Dear Steve,

    A. Can you respond to this?
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/nyc-is-dead-forever-heres-why-james-altucher/

    B. Can you or someone please link to an article where you talk about how/why the population of NYC has dropped for the past few years? (Since Google has blacklisted Unz.com, it’s been very difficult to find your old articles by searching for key words. Unz’s own search feature is not very good

    • Replies: @res
    @ginger bread man

    Current Google blacklisting of unz.com seems to have loosened. Try adding "site:unz.com/isteve" to your search. Or you could just use a different search engine.

  183. @Ma Laoshi
    @Almost Missouri


    There is a certain pantomime quality to the current riots
     
    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life, with nobody working seriously at anything anymore, instead just recording video of it on their retarded cell phones. The Kickass movie caught that quite well in its mugging scene.

    The current US situation is complicated by the fact that no one knows who will hold Federal power for the next four years.
     
    A condition recurring so reliably that it got its own name: the Silly Season. Maybe this one is sillier than most, but otherwise it's the same old ritual.

    But it reminds me of a question I've had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump. Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he's clearly not), it should mean no more willing ear and special favors for them (which they feel entitled to and pay for) once they so openly declare for the opposition party.

    So how does all this work? Is Jared Kushner whispering in Trump's ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more? Is it an expression of overarching jewish power? Or does everyone involved understand that Trump is just a vain moron who gets little done besides tweeting and watching FOX, with many around him hardly more interested in the minutiae of governing?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Dieter Kief

    Trump’s ear that all those black rioters will vote GOP any day now if he just indulges them a bit more

    Trump is playing it very safe with black voters – and it seems to pay off. – Is it right what he does? I dunno. Is it effective – might well turn out that yes, his strategy is effective, election wise.

  184. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little - evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault - more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn't be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick, @Buzz Mohawk, @JMcG, @Dr. X

    Good essay, all correct. Fortunately, my father did not work in the auto industry, which, as you say, spent “as little as possible on R&D.

    Before finally starting college, I had a job at his company that I got through sheer nepotism. Dad got me an interview with the head of HR, who worked downstairs from him at headquarters. That led to a job at the R&D center nearby.

    So, I was a lab technician at R&D for a Dow Jones industrial before I went to college.

    All I can tell you is that company did spend money on R&D. It was a big center, with two large proto-manufacturing test facilities, plus real, honest-to-goodness laboratories with neat equipment and people like me in lab coats. I met the man who purified silica for the Space Shuttle tiles. He had a tile on his desk, which I picked up when we were shooting the breeze one day. It was like a dense block of styrofoam. The Shuttle made its first flight that year, and we all stopped to watch it land on TV that day.

    I tested products that the engineers and chemists were trying with new formulae. My job was to destroy them in various ways and measure the results, which I then generally calculated into standard deviations and such. My boss was a research engineer who put my numbers on a chart in his office.

  185. @Almost Missouri
    @Ma Laoshi


    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life
     
    Hard agree. (I've never seen, or even heard of, Kickasss, so I can't comment about that part.)

    But it reminds me of a question I’ve had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump.
     
    If the Republicans ever actually used the power of the offices they get elected to, then yes, corporate America would be wary of crossing them. But everyone is aware that Republicans are content just to be in office, they don't bother to wield the power as well. Whereas Dems—in or out of office—always seek to wield power. On the rare occasions a Repub accidentally tries to enact something, an obscure Federal judge appointed by a Dem will just "overrule" it even if they don't have jurisdiction.

    So, short answer: despite the caterwauling, everyone knows they have nothing to fear from Repubs. Dems, by contrast, are like a powerful mafia clan: even if they don't come after you officially, they may still damage you in other covert or overt ways.


    Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he’s clearly not),
     
    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke "The Constitution" while they violate it. Trump's unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.

    P.S. Would you translate "Ma" as "horse", "mother", "number" or "question"?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Ma Laoshi

    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke “The Constitution” while they violate it. Trump’s unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.

    You are absolutely right about this.

  186. @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    Hillary: "If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob".

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @William Badwhite

    Thanks. That will make a nice link to post the next time I see a social media post claiming Trump won’t be willing to concede.

  187. @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    It’s vague as to whether there was a gun in the car or not. In fact, most news stories imply there wasn’t. If there was, the media is intentionally ignoring that fact – and using the word “unarmed” to describe Blake only when he was outside the vehicle – which would be very believable, given the inclination and history of the news media.

    To be honest, I’m not paying much attention to the news stories because this is the stage of the news cycle where “St. Jacob” is created from the ashes of a sad life that has a warrant out for it’s arrest.

  188. Peaceful protests gave way to burning buildings huh?

    The NYT is almost full Orwell at this point.

  189. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @El Dato

    I've said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November. And there will be riots and fires in many white liberal cities. Whether the mail in vote tally indicates Trump won or not, there will be no definitive answer and he is not leaving the office, nor will his (newly formed) cabinet. Once the governors see that the dems are not going to "win" (either way), expect national guard units deployed, etc. It will suddenly be a very serious matter they will have to address. Expect marshal law at the national level.

    This is a nation on the brink of a massive, multi-directional civil war, between races and cultures, mainly between good and evil.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Patrick in SC

    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November.

    Even 2 weeks ago, I would have said this is far fetched.

    No longer.

    I think the process of people going to the polls will take place. Vote counting will take place too. This is so the Democrats can claim their usual haul of electoral votes from California, Illinois, New York, most of New England. But then if the overall result doesn’t go the way they want, Biden winning, the entire process will grind to a halt with unsubstantiated charges of “voter suppression,” “irregularities,” “voter intimidation,” (look for fake stories about ‘right wing’ militias frightening people away from voting places) and most of all: The unfairness of the whole thing owing to the coronavirus lockdown and the need to “count every vote” through mail in ballots. There will be injunctions against certifying the results for months until the needed number of ballots are harvested.

    All of the above will be encouraged and blared around the world by the leftist media. Reality will have absolutely no relation to what they “report” as true. If these people can drag the “Russia” insanity on for 3 plus years and get an Independent Counsel appointed, it will be child’s play for them to vaguely suggest that votes were suppressed or that there were “irregularities” etc.

    “Count every vote” will replace “Black Lives Matter” as the mantra.

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    • Replies: @S
    @Patrick in SC


    They will not accept a Trump win.
     
    They seem to be angling for a Red October 2.0 type of event (ie refusal to accept election results, seize power in coup) followed by a Russian style civil war.
    , @Alden
    @Patrick in SC

    The 2000 Bush vs Gore mess was a precursor to what the dems will do this year. Only this time the army marine officer corps above major was handpicked by Obama, just as the FBI Obama operatives.

    The lifer sergeants are what makes armies function. Many are black. As I learned watching the Zebra killings and later talking to one of the detectives involved, it’s perfectly possible for a black Muslim militant to be a competent police officer, clerk, dispatcher and help black criminals at the same time.

    By the time the French Revolution broke out, much of the army officer corps from Generals Beauharnois and Layfayette were to the teens at the military academies were committed revolutionaries. In fact General Beauharnois was president of one of the first revolutionary National Assemblies.

    It’s really not a good idea to give affirmative action government and military jobs to an historical, visible, ethnic , religious , language , regional group that’s been at odds with the government and the majority population for centuries.

    But that’s what America’s done for 52 years. Sneer at them as grunts all you like, but government clerks at all levels have a lot of power. Add feminazis, grievance monger immigrants like Kashama Sawant gays old left new left etc to the government and military work force and America 2020 is like France 1780.

    Both the Russian and French revolutions featured release of prisoners to wreak havoc in the very early stages of the revolution.

    Both revolutions took control of the cities first. Our cities are already controlled by blacks Jews gays and worst of all, the Soros pro criminal district attorneys.

    And if the liberals can’t pull it off November 2020 they’ll just wait another 4 years gaining strength, learning from past mistakes and planning for the future.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Patrick in SC

    I find everything you've said here depressingly plausible.

    Quite a few 2018 congressional elections were test runs for ballot harvesting. It appears this tactic was widely successful, and not challenged effectively by the Republican party.

    Mass 'mail voting' is a blank check for fraud.

  190. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    OneSixFive, if you read SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle on line) Newsom is being hammered hard by most commentors, over a million acres burned. There used to be a fire fighting force made up of California convicts, but they were given early release due to Covid.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    How well did the convicts perform? Did they get rewarded for service?

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Jane Plain

    Apparently very well, and I think they did.

    , @Alden
    @Jane Plain

    The convicts did just fine. Wild Fire fighting needs a lot of bodies who obey orders and work in trans. Lots of simple jobs like clearing brush for fire breaks throwing up berms driving trucks. .

    The convicts were carefully selected. They were the cream of the crop. Living in a fire fighting camp was a reward for good behavior, reasonable intelligence and ability to work well with others. They had been in prison for a while under observation for these qualities.

    Once at the fire fighting camp they were trained every day That’s what they did, not wandering around all day. They’re honor camps, they could have left easily. They aren’t supposed to have pets but they do.

    The convicts loved living in the fire camps. Gave them a chance to be real men and do a macho job. Better food too. They did a lot of building and maintenance in the camps too. They cleared the fire breaks on the sides of the roads and high Ways. Maintained the dirt fire roads in the forests They’re paid the standard rate they’re paid for prison work.

    A good deal all around.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  191. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    I love it when Europeans (I think) comment here about how brutal the US cops are. LOL.

    They love to lecture Americans but now look at Sweden. Very few non whites but huge areas are now “no go” areas dangerous to decent people. And those “migrants” are armed, unlike normal Swedes. They are violent too.

    These Euro lecturers fail to mention the buses full of local/national riot police sitting around in their large cities, with helmets, huge clubs, tear gas, etc. just ready to pounce on unarmed rioters in their own countries. And they don’t face violent felons who are let loose willy nilly by leftist judges and DAs. Felons who carry firearms (here). Now a few are starting to face similar say, in Belgium.

    Americans aren’t Euro sheeple. Of course we haven’t been rolled over by violent dictators or imperial autocrats for centuries. So things are a bit more dangerous for cops.

    Here’s a thought: read the online Nigerian or S. African media about how they treat local armed criminals. Lots of killings and beatings there. Kenya, etc. More “illegal” guns in those places than in say, Denmark. Very few African cops face any punishment for doing much worse. Why? They are always dealing with “unruly” and criminal Africans. Or just talk to some fellow Euro who has lived in African for a few years. And not in some diplomatic compound.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Muggles

    Just look at the treatment the yellow vests got and are getting in France.

    , @Driveby Commenter
    @Muggles

    So US police are less violent than police in African countries? I never doubted it.

    You could set the bar a lot higher without any risk of becoming like our UK police.

  192. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little - evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault - more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn't be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick, @Buzz Mohawk, @JMcG, @Dr. X

    Jack, you’re overegging the pudding a bit here. Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital. Even the auto companies built cars that people wanted to buy. The Arab oil embargoes are probably the single greatest cause for the collapse of the US automotive industry.
    The US aviation industry went from the Wright Flyer to the X-15 in under sixty years. Ok, ok, we boosted a little from the Germans. That was a heavily unionized industry too, by the way.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JMcG


    Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital.
     
    These were all great but Bell Labs and Digital (Equipment Corp.) have been gone for decades. TI makes mostly overpriced legacy calculators that are highly profitable because they are locked into school curriculums. When was the last time that they came out with a truly innovative product?

    Replies: @Excal

  193. @Almost Missouri
    @Ma Laoshi


    There is a certain pantomime quality to modern life
     
    Hard agree. (I've never seen, or even heard of, Kickasss, so I can't comment about that part.)

    But it reminds me of a question I’ve had for a while: why is there no corresponding apprehension vs the current Federal government? Given that BLM is widely understood to just be the negro arm of the Dem Party, you might think that corporate America would have reservations about going all in for it lest they alienate Team Trump.
     
    If the Republicans ever actually used the power of the offices they get elected to, then yes, corporate America would be wary of crossing them. But everyone is aware that Republicans are content just to be in office, they don't bother to wield the power as well. Whereas Dems—in or out of office—always seek to wield power. On the rare occasions a Repub accidentally tries to enact something, an obscure Federal judge appointed by a Dem will just "overrule" it even if they don't have jurisdiction.

    So, short answer: despite the caterwauling, everyone knows they have nothing to fear from Repubs. Dems, by contrast, are like a powerful mafia clan: even if they don't come after you officially, they may still damage you in other covert or overt ways.


    Even if Trump were scrupulously law-abiding in exacting consequences (which he’s clearly not),
     
    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke "The Constitution" while they violate it. Trump's unorthodox rhetoric can give the impression that he is a loose cannon, but the reality is that he has declined to use many of the extra-Constitutional tools that his predecessors have availed themselves of. Some of this may be just that he is lazy or feckless, but the fact remains that as President he has taken far fewer constitutionally dubious actions than have his predecessors. Again, one must see past the chaff thrown up by the major media. Their purpose is to mislead you, not to inform you.

    P.S. Would you translate "Ma" as "horse", "mother", "number" or "question"?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Ma Laoshi

    One of the many ironies of the current situation is that Trump is in fact a lot more constrained by notions of Constitutionalism than are the professional politicians who constantly invoke “The Constitution” while they violate it.

    My Kickass reference didn’t come across well, let me try again; Gangs of New York this time, with the Boss in Tammany Hall saying “No, we won’t do it that way. The appearance of the law must be upheld–especially when it’s being broken.” (seems Dems didn’t change much in 150 yr) Anyway, this may be more due to Trump being an inexperienced figure without his own power base in Washington, the only place that counts. When I see that orange mug, the first word that comes to mind is not “Constitutionalism” for me; but yes, I sorta know what you’re saying. Even outside the GOP stable, I’m thinking of people like Michael Tracey, it’s often said “For a supposed tin-pot dictator (or so we’re being told), Trump isn’t making much headway in imposing his will on the country.”

    It may indeed have real-word consequence that Repubs dislike the idea of government. Even so, I’d argue the last actually strong president was Dick Cheney; not that it did anybody much good apart from Halliburton. But, but: if Trump is putting real clout behind chasing American companies out of China, it may make him a bunch of new enemies in an unexpected corner. Maybe this corporate BLM stuff is already a reaction to that; we’ll have to see I guess.

    I can be more definite elsewhere: Ma is “horse”, which is what I chose for a family name when I had to pick a Chinese name. Guess I’m one of the lucky few who legitimately did get to pick his own identity, without anything getting cut off LOL.

  194. @shoot
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Them that care about big lie illusions are worthlessly compensating...but psych/emotional defenses feel worth something, as do stacks of FRNs.

    Earth's chockabloc full of earthlings who swallow-regurgitate Borg identity. And for those teeming clods of the continent thems resistance does not even rise to the level of futility. That lot has no resistance. The virus has 'em.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I ran your comment through Google Translate, but it came out the same, so I don’t quite know what you are saying, but thank you nonetheless.

    I mean this with good spirits and in humility. Thank you for your reply. Someone recently commented that few read my comments, but I always find new names like yours in reply. In fact, even that commenter had a name I had never seen before, and HE read my comment, so logically his claim is untrue.

    I still don’t exactly know what you are saying, though.

    • Replies: @shoot
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Locus of control, locus of country conceptions where one was conceived-born (or conceived oneself reborn), locusts eatin’ lunches, & Pink Floyd worms eatin’ gray matters not, cuz like ol’ Josie Wales said, “Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.”

    Too bad, but not really, there’s no reverse Flesch-Kincaid, with a rheostat dial, & with an enhanced scope covering allusion-pictures worth thousands of words. Something that could eventuate along the lines of “I know Kung Fu!” (Neo, The Matrix).

    Even so, a clever one would hear the ironical sharp version of “Proud To Be An American” muzak soundtracking my elevator pitch-perfect on elevator identities.

    Too clever might then overplay.

    But I can appreciate Goog’s inability to parse. Thanks for looking into that.

    Above was responsive what popped into my inbox, which was just your 1st sentence, which, so truncated, seemed snark (or counter-snark).

    Toning it down, due the rest of what you wrote...

    Nothing (& not just in this blog which I’ve only dropped into a few times) surprises me, either. How could it, what with all the jaded flints lodged in my back-to-front sides? It’s an asylum, Ratched hasn’t had me lobotomized yet, & the big injun Bromden hasn’t mercy smothered me with a pillow yet. Maybe that surprises me, a little, but the fickle finger of fate flies up noses on its own schedule.

    Country has thee. Not the other way round.

    “Brooks was here.” Institutionalized man, internalized prison is *my* prison, defense mech comfort zone, hanged if you do & hanged if you don’t (inside that matrix), that crazed Irish character in Braveheart: Ireland was his island.

    Sure it was, Mr. Potatofaminehead. Better was the less seamless rationalization antidepressant in The Commitments: Jimmy Rabbitte:

    "The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once and say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud."

    Correct: no one else on earth does, either.

    Get busy livin’ in the light, or get busy dyin’ fighting in the shade (I could give AF if Xerxes transited the hot gates a few days sooner or later... martyr to illusion wore out its welcome here 50 years ago).

    What’s to care about that which you care about? What’s the point in caring about people caring for illusions rather than reality?

    Nothing. (Cartetaking wore out, got discarded along the backtrail, too. Learning is very much a process of elimination.)

    Because it’s beyond me. Has, can have, nothing to do with me.

    It’s an asylum. And there’s about as much cure for crazy as there is for stupid.

    Thumb-plugging Hoover Dam & tilting at windmills & laying down with Lilliputions & gussying up the terrible decision to be besieged at Masada is what’s FUBAR. Except that it isn’t unrecognizable at all.

    (Asylum also works angular it being David Geffen’s Orwellian label. He of the standard billionaire boys club. That, seems to me, isn’t all that allusory. But if it is, look around for scuttle of went down between him & the Eagles/Don Henley, for one example. The b that precedes bbb is black hole.)

    Giving up on illusions isn’t giving up despite illusionists contending otherwise.

    The compulsive motivation to corral all within that small frame is understood. That’s Donne’s clod of the continent stuff. Apologetics & rationalization. Fear.

    Fact is every wo/man is an island. Including even the manymost who are scared shiteless at that prospect & will never ever have anything to do with being what they are, with reality, & so off the shelf identities are kept costco stocked.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  195. Warning: don’t “give way” to fires and destruction. You could just be tooling along and suddenly fires and destruction will appear. So, don’t give way and everything will be swell.

    Remember: don’t give way.

  196. @Muggles
    @Driveby Commenter

    I love it when Europeans (I think) comment here about how brutal the US cops are. LOL.

    They love to lecture Americans but now look at Sweden. Very few non whites but huge areas are now "no go" areas dangerous to decent people. And those "migrants" are armed, unlike normal Swedes. They are violent too.

    These Euro lecturers fail to mention the buses full of local/national riot police sitting around in their large cities, with helmets, huge clubs, tear gas, etc. just ready to pounce on unarmed rioters in their own countries. And they don't face violent felons who are let loose willy nilly by leftist judges and DAs. Felons who carry firearms (here). Now a few are starting to face similar say, in Belgium.

    Americans aren't Euro sheeple. Of course we haven't been rolled over by violent dictators or imperial autocrats for centuries. So things are a bit more dangerous for cops.

    Here's a thought: read the online Nigerian or S. African media about how they treat local armed criminals. Lots of killings and beatings there. Kenya, etc. More "illegal" guns in those places than in say, Denmark. Very few African cops face any punishment for doing much worse. Why? They are always dealing with "unruly" and criminal Africans. Or just talk to some fellow Euro who has lived in African for a few years. And not in some diplomatic compound.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Driveby Commenter

    Just look at the treatment the yellow vests got and are getting in France.

    • Agree: Muggles
  197. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Something different in Kenosha is that those being attacked by blm/antifa have begun seriously defending themselves https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/. So far only warning shots have been fired but sooner or later some of the blm/antifa thugs will be shot.

    The obvious next step in the escalating violence that is destroying the USA's largest cities has always been a reciprocal response to blm/antifa by those these thugs have been attacking. It's surprising that it took over two months to reach this stage but now we are there. Special circumstances in Kenosha may account for it being the starting point of counter violence to blm/antifa violence. Kenosha is overwhelmingly White and has been particularly hard hit by the establishment's globalist policies. But now that Kenosha has shown the way I think blm/antifa will no longer be allowed unopposed control of the USA's urban centers.

    This will either be seen in retrospect as the first flickers of a low key civil war in the USA, something like the "Troubles" in 1920s and 1930s Ireland or the Communist-Freikorps street wars in post WW I Germany, or a wake-up call to the USA's ruling establishment that Soros's blm/antifa need to be thoroughly curbed, if not crushed. If the establishment doesn't do this, a low intensity civil war now seems almost inevitable.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Establishment can’t and won’t. They have their own civil war between the old White guard of Schumer and Pelosi and Ilhan Omar, Stacey Abrams, and AOC.

    Soon the latter will push out the former and it’s full on Race War. One the AOC types think they can win it, two they have the full backing of the military and corporations the two major power centers, and three corps have a Chinese dream.

    Every White man in a Uighur style prison camp to be worked to death for Nike and Apple. Nothing makes higher profits than free forced labor. Plus black! y’all. Black! Black! Black y’all.

  198. @El Dato
    @Tono Bungay

    Hillary: "If I had any voter, he would look exactly like Jacob".

    The future will see much more burning:

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,’ calls for ‘massive legal op’ in case Trump sees narrow win

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @William Badwhite

    Clinton urges Biden to not concede ‘UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES,

    Just when I think we’re rid of her, we’re reminded that Hillary Clinton is one of the most vile, anti-American politicians in American history.

  199. @jill
    Watch this till the end...similar to Blake reaching into his car


    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1273392671705272321

    Replies: @black sea, @Rob McX, @vinteuil

    Wow.

    Did the cops live?

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @vinteuil

    Yeah, but they were seriously injured. The guy was put away,

  200. @North Carolina Resident
    I'd like to know gun and ammo sales figures today in Kenosha.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Currahee, @SC Rebel

    I looked up one figure – 10% jogger…

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @usNthem

    Those 10% boogies must be on steroids. I went through Kenosha a few times 20 years ago and it looked like so many other towns like it--formerly nice turned into a dreary ghettoish craphole.

    The bongos from Chicongo head up to Wisconsin--mo' easy gibmedat money and mo' cucks. Kenosha is just over the border with Illinois.

    I just looked-not that I doubted your stat--yep 10%. I would have guessed 35% minimum. Although it's also 17 % tacobreaths and 7% of "other races" (This last category in addition to the listings of every other race and combinations, so what are those "other races"-Martians?). So 34% bad nonwhites. That's mo' like it. And that was 2010.

  201. @ben tillman
    @Svigor


    Keep telling yourselves the Democrats are the real racists, antifa are the real fascists, and the 2nd Amendment is gonna save you, fellas…
     
    So, what's *your* plan?

    Replies: @Svigor

    We can start by recognizing that the whole rotten kosher sandwich, both slabs of bread, Democrat Party and Republican Party, are bad and need to go.

    (seems Dems didn’t change much in 150 yr)

    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.

    Cuckservatives – still obsessed with the Greens and the Blues crap. It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.
     
    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn't an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem - jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.
     
    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.
     
    Professional wrestling is no faker than "Negro labour", which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich
     
    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @GeneralRipper, @Jane Plain, @Svigor

  202. @J
    From afar, seems to me that these riots and general disorder are frightening non African people, who will necessarily vote for a strong law and order alternative. The large Latino population is not joining the rioting. The phenomenon of Africans enjoying privileges is unknown and unimaginable in Latin America and Latinos in the USA feel uneasy with it. Most will vote Trump.

    Replies: @SC Rebel, @Peter D. Bredon, @Currahee

    I wish (hope) you are right.
    In my personal experience with Mexicans (lots of them here in SoCal), they have no white guilt whatsoever and see the blacks for what they are.
    When Mexicans move into a neighborhood, the blacks are soon gone.

    • Agree: Alden
  203. @North Carolina Resident
    I'd like to know gun and ammo sales figures today in Kenosha.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Currahee, @SC Rebel

    Sold out before the event.

  204. Anonymous[890] • Disclaimer says:

    I saw one report that said Blake was shot 8 times in the back. Is this true ? Even one shot in the back is too much if the person is not threatening. In this case the charge of police brutality is entirely justified. There is absolutely no justification for shooting in the back someone who is not a threat to the shooter. Eight times would be outrageous.

    • LOL: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous


    I saw one report that said Blake was shot 8 times in the back. Is this true ? Even one shot in the back is too much if the person is not threatening
     
    Watch the video, the guy is absolutely threatening. The police have already been fighting with him before he heads to his car. He then looks like he is reaching for a gun between the seats.

    People who haven't lived around blacks haven't learned to read them. When they are walking slow and deliberate like this guy is in the video, STUFF is about to happen. When they are standing moving their weight side to side with arms straight down, STUFF is about to happen. This is not admissible in court, but cops see this daily and know what it means. These behaviors are so prevalent, its almost like blacks can't keep themselves from doing them.

    Go to World Star and watch a bunch of videos. You will see that same slow exaggerated walk over and over. Before a sucker punch (often on a white guy), before a stick up, before an altercation with police. Over and over and over. This guy was about to start STUFF.

    That behavior alone isn't reason enough to shoot somebody, but this cop knew at probably about 80% that he was going to die if he didn't stop this guy.

    If I were a cop, I would quit tomorrow.

    Replies: @bruce county

  205. @JimDandy
    @Driveby Commenter

    "Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first."

    Your ignorance was astounding, until you revealed that you were writing from across the Atlantic. I'm quite sure you don't even believe what you wrote, but just in case you really are that far up your own arse: yes, he absolutely could have shot him first--or second, which would have been just as bad. Your argument is that the cop should have waited until he was looking down the barrel of a gun before defending himself. Ludicrous.

    Blake is human scum, with a history of violence against cops. This incident was 100 percent his fault. My only criticism of the cop is that he didn't squeeze off an 8th shot.

    Replies: @danand, @Jane Plain, @JimDandy

    I’m deeply regret my final sentence. I was wrong.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jacob-blakes-father-said-son-134700002.html

  206. @Buzz Mohawk
    @JMcG

    Yes, yes, I knew that was coming. (I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.)

    Okay. You have a country, or do you? If you don't then no one else on Earth does. Do you care? Do you want the opportunity to argue and participate in the management of your resources?

    Or do you just want to look at everything as totally shit-shorn-fucked? FUBAR as usual? Just give up then, man! That makes you worthless to me or anyone else who cares.

    Replies: @shoot, @Known Fact

    I swear, no reply on this blog EVER surprises me.

    WINK MARTINDALE: Welcome to the show, Bob, tell us a little about yourself.

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  207. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    It could be that this is all a smokescreen for the Dems cheating there way to victory in the Senatorial and Congressional races while everyone is distracted by the presidential results. In 2018, it seemed like whenever there were late-breaking additional mail-in ballots to be counted, all those close races seemed to break for the Dems, oddly enough. Even if Trump wins, he will be completely hobbled by a Dem Senate and House.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Good point Hopalong. GOP Senate control is already weak thanks to the RINOs, and if the Dems can pry loose a couple more seats we’ll have four more years — of impeachment proceedings.

    And don’t forget governorships, especially now that govs have suddenly assumed vast powers to lock down the law-abiding but ignore the criminals. Connecticut’s new governor was one of those Dems who was behind when everyone went to bed in 2018, only to somehow pull out that race.

  208. @vinteuil
    @jill

    Wow.

    Did the cops live?

    Replies: @Nachum

    Yeah, but they were seriously injured. The guy was put away,

  209. @Jane Plain
    @Buffalo Joe

    How well did the convicts perform? Did they get rewarded for service?

    Replies: @Nachum, @Alden

    Apparently very well, and I think they did.

  210. @Anonymous
    @Driveby Commenter



    Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box.

     

    Here's the problem: by the time you've seen someone pull a gun out of a glove box and determined that you are now facing a gun, the person holding the gun has already shot you.

    You're making this sound like the cops had all day to make up their minds about what this guy's intent was/wasn't.

    They didn't: reaction times are typically measured in hundredths of a second.

    Think about that, and what it might mean for police officers who are facing a suspect with a lengthy arrest record who is reaching for "something."


    And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.

     

    Equally likely was his using the car to try to flatten a few cops.

    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?

    Replies: @botazefa

    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?

    I generally agree, and would like to add:

    I put myself in the police officer’s shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I’d like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn’t mean his life doesn’t have value. It doesn’t mean his children, who were in the car, won’t suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn’t his rap sheet. He’s more. Thugs aren’t thugs 24×7.

    If I were into Jesus I’d pray for everyone involved. I’d pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where’s the compassion, commenters?

    • Replies: @personfellowindividual
    @botazefa

    A real man doesn't have a rap sheet. Most Adult human beings never commit violence against their fellow humans, never commit a crime, never go to jail. They have jobs, go to work, marry, have children and spend their time making the world a better place. They add to society, to culture, to knowledge, to the economy they are participating in.

    Such people are a positive, a benefit to humanity and life on Earth.

    Then you have people like Blake who may have caused harm to the people around him, but perhaps also did a bit of good in his life. The good does not balance out the bad, not even close.

    If you wish to have worth as a human being, you must strive continuously to add, and hope that your contribution was good enough. None of this Rap Sheet garbage. No excuses, no 'Mistakes Were Made' business. Intentionally inflicting great harm another person, someone blameless, erases your worth to zero.

    , @DextersLabRat
    @botazefa

    I have more compassion for the woman he sexually assaulted and for which he had an active warrant.

    , @Anonymous
    @botazefa

    I think the perp is a net-loss to society in every way..

    , @Hibernian
    @botazefa


    If I were into Jesus I’d pray for everyone involved. I’d pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where’s the compassion, commenters?
     
    Sure, I'll pray for him. However, I don't take kindly to listening to a lecture about Christian compassion from an agnostic. Maybe this is, for you, an Alinskyite, "Make them live up to their ideals" moment for you?
    , @GeneralRipper
    @botazefa

    As far as this latest kneegrow ,as well as St George, and St Rayshard, and St Mikey Brown and St Trayvon etc...

    I'll simply repeat what my dear ol' Dad used to say:

    Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

    When you and ALL your bleeding heart faggot-ass friends go live with them and send your brats to school with them and show us the depths of your compassion and lead by example, perhaps we'll have a change of heart.

    Of course, that will most likely occur during the reign of Queen Dick....lol

    , @Anonymous
    @botazefa



    Where’s the compassion, commenters?
     
    As it happens, I have a great deal of compassion for those police officers who were put in a near-impossible position by a known criminal.

    I have no compassion whatever for a known criminal who, we now know beyond any doubt, was going for a weapon so he could do a number on those cops.

    He wasn't reaching for a greeting card.

    Ask yourself: is there a difference between making an honest mistake that you didn't mean and deliberately setting out to maim or kill other people?

    I think that is a reasonable question because Mr. Blake has made it clear he is in the latter category. And there are many more like him.

    There is compassion, and there is flat-out stupidity: conflate the two at your own risk.

    Replies: @botazefa

  211. @Patrick in SC
    @OscarWildeLoveChild


    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November.
     
    Even 2 weeks ago, I would have said this is far fetched.

    No longer.

    I think the process of people going to the polls will take place. Vote counting will take place too. This is so the Democrats can claim their usual haul of electoral votes from California, Illinois, New York, most of New England. But then if the overall result doesn't go the way they want, Biden winning, the entire process will grind to a halt with unsubstantiated charges of "voter suppression," "irregularities," "voter intimidation," (look for fake stories about 'right wing' militias frightening people away from voting places) and most of all: The unfairness of the whole thing owing to the coronavirus lockdown and the need to "count every vote" through mail in ballots. There will be injunctions against certifying the results for months until the needed number of ballots are harvested.

    All of the above will be encouraged and blared around the world by the leftist media. Reality will have absolutely no relation to what they "report" as true. If these people can drag the "Russia" insanity on for 3 plus years and get an Independent Counsel appointed, it will be child's play for them to vaguely suggest that votes were suppressed or that there were "irregularities" etc.

    "Count every vote" will replace "Black Lives Matter" as the mantra.

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    Replies: @S, @Alden, @The Last Real Calvinist

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    They seem to be angling for a Red October 2.0 type of event (ie refusal to accept election results, seize power in coup) followed by a Russian style civil war.

    • Agree: Alden
  212. @bro3886
    @RichardTaylor

    Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy, that's why antifa/blm prospers. The state is behind these thugs, like it was behind the brown shirts in early Nazi Germany or the Red Guards in Maoist China. That's what makes these riots ominous, and rightfully so, they point to a South Africa type of future.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    “Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy”

    ((( Anybody missing here)))?

  213. @Dr. X
    @Cloudbuster

    Not too long ago, cops used to bust unruly Negroes over the head with a nightstick to get them to comply. They used to hire big, dumb guys and football players who could actually restrain people without killing them. Today they just pull the trigger. That's chickenshit.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @John Johnson, @Cloudbuster, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anonymousse

    That’s chickenshit

    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Anonymousse


    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.
     
    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think "might be reaching for a weapon" but didn't actually display one or else I'll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.

    Unlike the cops, who get a pass because "heroes" and shiny badge and all that.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

  214. @Almost Missouri
    In case anyone is wondering where Wisconsin, which last time anyone outside checked, was the Vermont of the Midwest, suddenly got all these feral black people, the answer is these are the underclass blacks deported by Obama-Emanuel-Pritzker crime syndicate from Chicago to formerly peaceful small towns across the Midwest.

    Under a Biden-Kamala regime the AFFH-ing of criminal blacks to your towns will continue.

    Replies: @Alden, @Bleuteaux

    People who haven’t experienced this have no idea how bad it is. Average town over 10,000 residents in the Midwest now has a critical mass of blacks. Every bumblefuck place you can imagine.

  215. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    Here’s an article including a still-shot of the martyred Saint Jacob of Kenosha–right before he was shot–holding a mini-scimitar that could have gutted a cop or cut his throat from ear-to-ear in a fraction of a second.

    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

  216. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    My best guess is deflection and distancing one’s group from complicity in the name of self-preservation? Benefit from white privilege as it suits you but abdicate yourself from responsibility when the shit hits the fan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/22/jews-in-america-struggled-for-generations-to-become-white-now-we-must-give-up-that-privilege-to-fight-racism/

  217. @John Johnson
    @Anon

    If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot.

    Doesn't apply here because the cop had the drop on him.

    So what is the appropriate response? This “victim” had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge.

    Shoot him once in the shoulder instead of unloading randomly. He could have shot his partner with how poorly he was maintaining control. The last shot he double tapped.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jim Don Bob

    Too many episodes of The Lone Ranger. He should just shoot the gun out of his hand.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  218. The forces against us are too powerful. There are millions of angry negroes, crazed young white females, transsexuals and dangerous Antifa, all knit together as an unbeatable fighting force.

    Let’s surrender now and get the best terms possible.

    • Troll: Hibernian
  219. @North Carolina Resident
    I'd like to know gun and ammo sales figures today in Kenosha.

    Replies: @usNthem, @Currahee, @SC Rebel

    As someone who only lives about 45 minutes away from Kenosha and have been there quite a few times, I can tell you that there were quite a few people packing even before this happened.

    But I suspect that it will exponentially increase as a result of this. Outside of Milwaukee and maybe Green Bay, WI is fairly quiet with regard to crime, etc. There are counties that you can go to where you could drive for miles without seeing one POC and pretty much everyone is armed there.

    The SJW idiots that occupy Madison are ruining the whole state.

  220. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    Do us all a favor and stay on that side of the Atlantic. Do something connstructive and study up on your hadith. Your future rulers will be impressed.

  221. Ninety-percent white Kenosha is just a new front in the DNC’s St. Floyd Day War on traditional middle class whites. Fauci’s-1984 corona pox and mandatory decorative bitch-mask campaign is now stagnating as more people realize the US media’s nightly televised case statistics are filled with Establishment lies. The DNC-BLM strategy is now predictably to shift their BLM-Antifa guerillas into white residential burroughs to provoke an incident with police or county sheriff’s deputies ( I’d wager the DNC prefers a violent confrontation with white male residents for the public relations dramatics if a black male is shot by a white male homeowner. )

  222. @usNthem
    @North Carolina Resident

    I looked up one figure - 10% jogger...

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Those 10% boogies must be on steroids. I went through Kenosha a few times 20 years ago and it looked like so many other towns like it–formerly nice turned into a dreary ghettoish craphole.

    The bongos from Chicongo head up to Wisconsin–mo’ easy gibmedat money and mo’ cucks. Kenosha is just over the border with Illinois.

    I just looked-not that I doubted your stat–yep 10%. I would have guessed 35% minimum. Although it’s also 17 % tacobreaths and 7% of “other races” (This last category in addition to the listings of every other race and combinations, so what are those “other races”-Martians?). So 34% bad nonwhites. That’s mo’ like it. And that was 2010.

  223. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy
     

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html
     

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html
     

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force
     

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596
     

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison
     

    Replies: @fnn, @Hibernian, @AceDeuce, @petit bourgeois

    Point taken (somewhat). But if you ever find yourself in a life situation where you’re shooting at an on-duty police dog, you probably weren’t on the fast track to success anyhow….

  224. @Johnny Smoggins
    @Anon

    Does it have to be either/or though?

    Many of us think that cops, Antifa and BLM are all equally assholes.

    Replies: @Aeronerauk

    You’re an insane person if you think occasional police malfeasance is indicative of the entire profession. I’m sorry the cop who gave you a speeding ticket was mean to you.

  225. @ginger bread man
    @Steve Sailer

    Dear Steve,

    A. Can you respond to this?
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/nyc-is-dead-forever-heres-why-james-altucher/

    B. Can you or someone please link to an article where you talk about how/why the population of NYC has dropped for the past few years? (Since Google has blacklisted Unz.com, it's been very difficult to find your old articles by searching for key words. Unz's own search feature is not very good

    Replies: @res

    Current Google blacklisting of unz.com seems to have loosened. Try adding “site:unz.com/isteve” to your search. Or you could just use a different search engine.

  226. @Tono Bungay
    At 10 a.m. Eastern time today I open the homepage of the venerable magazine The Atlantic. First thing I see is "Anger Can Build a Better World," by Myisha Cherry, a black philosophy professor at UC Riverside. The other writers' names are Steven J. Zipperstein, Adam Harris, David Frum, Conor Friedersdorf, David Litt, and Uri Friedman. Cherry writes that "diverse voices are boldly standing up to racial injustice. And they are expressing anger while doing it. This rage is not a distraction, nor is it destructive to American ideals. It is playing a crucial role, politically and morally, in helping us build a better country." I am not likely to pose this question so directly to some of my professional acquaintances, but I have again the same question as prompted when I read the NY Times: Why are so many Jews so eager to incite black anger, black resentment, black violence?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Svigor, @Nachum, @Peter D. Bredon, @Frank McGar, @El Dato

    It’s the same reason the proletariat got whipped up in various European countries (not always with the expected outcomes, but still):

    Anger brings a churning situation. In a churning situation, doors may open that stayed closed for generations, you can make a quick buck and come out on top while your enemies are occupied or getting burnt out of their houses. If it’s churny enough out there, radical dreams start to seem attainable (Real Communism! Extreme Feminism! Control over all the Bad People!).

    But it must be confused anger and anger that is open to being directed. Anger by blacks is thus excellent anger. Contrariwise, anger by whites is bad, it may lead to concentration camps. Anger by hispanics and by the two different types of asians seems to an unexplored resource. There are probably no hot button issues that one can skillfully write about or larger intercultural obstacles, so that anger remains fallow.

    Black thinkers are also allowed to chime in but can just offer a sad spectacle of clowns making senseless demands (possible incoherent demands) for special treatment – because they just can’t into what is actually happening around them. They thus ipso-facto declare themselves to be outsiders unwilling and unable to level up and actually start attacking Big Asshole, which includes the Political Upper Crust, Wall Street and various other cancers, but also the Atlantic and sundry philosophy professors. Not quite on the level of NPCs, but not really all that far from it.

  227. @Jane Plain
    Blake is now paralyzed from the waist down.

    Don't worry, they can now extract his sperm and use it to inseminate a brigade of Wakandan Amazons.

    Replies: @Midnights, @Anon

    I guess he’ll have to roll after the next 14 year old girl he rapes. After prison, of course.

  228. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I saw one report that said Blake was shot 8 times in the back. Is this true ? Even one shot in the back is too much if the person is not threatening. In this case the charge of police brutality is entirely justified. There is absolutely no justification for shooting in the back someone who is not a threat to the shooter. Eight times would be outrageous.

    Replies: @Anon

    I saw one report that said Blake was shot 8 times in the back. Is this true ? Even one shot in the back is too much if the person is not threatening

    Watch the video, the guy is absolutely threatening. The police have already been fighting with him before he heads to his car. He then looks like he is reaching for a gun between the seats.

    People who haven’t lived around blacks haven’t learned to read them. When they are walking slow and deliberate like this guy is in the video, STUFF is about to happen. When they are standing moving their weight side to side with arms straight down, STUFF is about to happen. This is not admissible in court, but cops see this daily and know what it means. These behaviors are so prevalent, its almost like blacks can’t keep themselves from doing them.

    Go to World Star and watch a bunch of videos. You will see that same slow exaggerated walk over and over. Before a sucker punch (often on a white guy), before a stick up, before an altercation with police. Over and over and over. This guy was about to start STUFF.

    That behavior alone isn’t reason enough to shoot somebody, but this cop knew at probably about 80% that he was going to die if he didn’t stop this guy.

    If I were a cop, I would quit tomorrow.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Anon

    People who haven’t lived around blacks haven’t learned to read them. When they are walking slow and deliberate like this guy is in the video, STUFF is about to happen. When they are standing moving their weight side to side with arms straight down, STUFF is about to happen.

    These same kind of posturing's can be witnessed in the animal kingdom as well. Elephants ears flare out, sharks fins drop down, dogs haunches drop. And of course the ever timid American Pavement Ape brain goes blank, circuits shut down, hard drive goes into sleep mode and eyes roll back in it's head. The human version of blue screen of death!! The walk, the head roll and arms down. All predatory signals that an attack is imminent.
    These kind of warnings should be on every cereal box for a persons morning read to prepare themselves for an outing in the concrete jungle.

  229. @bro3886
    @RichardTaylor

    Antifa, blacks, the media, and the U.S. government all share the same white-hating genocidal philosophy, that's why antifa/blm prospers. The state is behind these thugs, like it was behind the brown shirts in early Nazi Germany or the Red Guards in Maoist China. That's what makes these riots ominous, and rightfully so, they point to a South Africa type of future.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    The natzee routine doesn’t work here. Did the natzees unleash an army of 3rd worlders to destroy their own nation?

    This is the opposite of natzee Germany..

  230. @Jake
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So are you stupid a stone or are you serving Mammon and the Anglo-Zionist Elites?

    It is now impossible, because 0f cultural perversion, for decent white Americans - which group cannot include WASP Elites - to control 'sea to shining sea.' There are too many of 'them' and not enough of us.

    The Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire will oppose top the death and destruction any break up of the US, precisely because that keeps the vast majority 0f non-elite whites scattered thin and always on the defensive.

    Replies: @personfellowindividual

    Has your lithium prescription been allowed to lapse? Talk to your doctor and get a re-fill.

  231. @Svigor
    @ben tillman

    We can start by recognizing that the whole rotten kosher sandwich, both slabs of bread, Democrat Party and Republican Party, are bad and need to go.


    (seems Dems didn’t change much in 150 yr)
     
    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they're the Dems from 150 years ago.

    If they were, I'd be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.

    Cuckservatives - still obsessed with the Greens and the Blues crap. It's like believing pro wrestling is real.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.

    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn’t an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem – jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis’s men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.

    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.

    Professional wrestling is no faker than “Negro labour”, which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich

    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Reg Cæsar

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    , @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America. After all they were the first ones to do it, made lots of money from it, and kept it up almost to the eve of Mr Lincoln's war. Even after their home states had outlawed owning negros.

    You should research that, bro.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar

    I would love for Jeff Davis to have met Tariq Nasheed.

    , @Svigor
    @Reg Cæsar


    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.
     
    You actually believe that shit? "Honest Abe" is a reverse nickname, like calling a fat guy "tiny." He was a lawyer for the railroads, for God's sake. He would give a speech out of one side of his mouth on Saturday and then give one out of the other side of his mouth in the next town over. He had no intentions of removing blacks from US territory. He said that in speeches to con the rubes who wanted to hear that into voting for him.

    The yankees had no intention of removing blacks. They just said that to get support for their war, votes, etc. Which explains why they never lifted a finger in that direction. What's funny is how they seemed not to have anticipated the great migration of blacks into the north. I dunno what they were thinking there; maybe they really were so dumb that they thought they could contain the plague they were unleashing...

    If yankees wanted to repatriate blacks, they could have just bought them all and shipped them back for far cheaper than the cost of waging their elective war against the south. With half a million to a million fewer Whites killed, to boot. No, they wanted their battered wife back. The rest was just propaganda.

    As for the Democrats, after the war they were the KKK who fought the "Reconstructionist" GOP and their black janissaries. After they won, they created segregation over yankee-judean opposition.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  232. @Jane Plain
    @Buffalo Joe

    How well did the convicts perform? Did they get rewarded for service?

    Replies: @Nachum, @Alden

    The convicts did just fine. Wild Fire fighting needs a lot of bodies who obey orders and work in trans. Lots of simple jobs like clearing brush for fire breaks throwing up berms driving trucks. .

    The convicts were carefully selected. They were the cream of the crop. Living in a fire fighting camp was a reward for good behavior, reasonable intelligence and ability to work well with others. They had been in prison for a while under observation for these qualities.

    Once at the fire fighting camp they were trained every day That’s what they did, not wandering around all day. They’re honor camps, they could have left easily. They aren’t supposed to have pets but they do.

    The convicts loved living in the fire camps. Gave them a chance to be real men and do a macho job. Better food too. They did a lot of building and maintenance in the camps too. They cleared the fire breaks on the sides of the roads and high Ways. Maintained the dirt fire roads in the forests They’re paid the standard rate they’re paid for prison work.

    A good deal all around.

    • Thanks: ben tillman, Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Alden

    Thank you. Firefighting is man's work and it probably suits guys with three Y chromosomes, LOL.

    It warms my hard, conservative heart to know that some convicts are salvageable.

    I read about something similar with respect to flooding of the Mississippi. Convicts helped fortify the levees and they reported feeling good about doing good.

  233. @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    A real man doesn’t have a rap sheet. Most Adult human beings never commit violence against their fellow humans, never commit a crime, never go to jail. They have jobs, go to work, marry, have children and spend their time making the world a better place. They add to society, to culture, to knowledge, to the economy they are participating in.

    Such people are a positive, a benefit to humanity and life on Earth.

    Then you have people like Blake who may have caused harm to the people around him, but perhaps also did a bit of good in his life. The good does not balance out the bad, not even close.

    If you wish to have worth as a human being, you must strive continuously to add, and hope that your contribution was good enough. None of this Rap Sheet garbage. No excuses, no ‘Mistakes Were Made’ business. Intentionally inflicting great harm another person, someone blameless, erases your worth to zero.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  234. @John Johnson
    @Anon

    If you are rushed by a knife attacker closer than 20 feet, he will reach you before you can pull your gun and shoot.

    Doesn't apply here because the cop had the drop on him.

    So what is the appropriate response? This “victim” had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual assault charge.

    Shoot him once in the shoulder instead of unloading randomly. He could have shot his partner with how poorly he was maintaining control. The last shot he double tapped.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jim Don Bob

    The Kenosha PD is accepti9ng applications if you’d like to put your money where your mouth is, and show the cops there how it should be done.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  235. The Danish Brotherhood Lodge in Kenosha went down. Come on, who the hell hates Danes? There is some lingering post-colonial resentment in Norway, Iceland, and Greenland, perhaps, but hate? Even the Virgin Islanders are over that. (Forcing the rest of us to drive on the left is about as revolutionary as they get down there.)

    Century-old Dania Hall in Minneapolis burned down 20 years ago, but it wasn’t terrorism. Just some hapless homeless “refugee” squatter lighting a fire to stay warm. Ironically, it was built to service the immigrants of the day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dania_Hall_(Minneapolis)

  236. @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Jack, you’re overegging the pudding a bit here. Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital. Even the auto companies built cars that people wanted to buy. The Arab oil embargoes are probably the single greatest cause for the collapse of the US automotive industry.
    The US aviation industry went from the Wright Flyer to the X-15 in under sixty years. Ok, ok, we boosted a little from the Germans. That was a heavily unionized industry too, by the way.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital.

    These were all great but Bell Labs and Digital (Equipment Corp.) have been gone for decades. TI makes mostly overpriced legacy calculators that are highly profitable because they are locked into school curriculums. When was the last time that they came out with a truly innovative product?

    • Replies: @Excal
    @Jack D


    When was the last time that they came out with a truly innovative product?
     
    Probably very recently -- but if you aren't an electrical engineer, it's unlikely you'll ever hear about it. Calculators are actually a very small part of TI's business. Their main business for many years has been semiconductors, and they have been one of the most advanced companies in that field since its beginning. The very first integrated circuit was built at TI (by Jack Kilby), and they also made the first affordable, mass-produced discrete transistors. They aren't famous like Intel and AMD, but they work in different markets.

    Bell Labs still exists. It is now owned by Nokia, and interesting things do emerge from there now and again, though it isn't what it once was. It suffered greatly after AT&T sold it to Lucent, and a lot of talent was lost to companies like Google and Microsoft -- for instance Ken Thompson and Rob Pike went to Google, where among other things they worked on Go. And speaking of DEC, Gordon Bell has been at Microsoft Research since 1995.
  237. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.
     
    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn't an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem - jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.
     
    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.
     
    Professional wrestling is no faker than "Negro labour", which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich
     
    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @GeneralRipper, @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @DextersLabRat


    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?
     
    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?

    Corv has his own problem, though. If enslaved blacks were profitable, why aren't free ones? I'm the one who's being consistent: They couldn't have been profitable, unless someone was cooking the books.

    Replies: @S

    , @Jack D
    @DextersLabRat


    How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?
     
    That's a stupid question. The reason the slaves had value in the first place was that their labor (combined with the land taken from the Indians and the ingenuity of white people) produced a profitable commodity. If slaves did not produce profits then they wouldn't have had any value. America's bad luck was that the discovery of the cotton gin, combined with a booming demand for cotton by the newly automated mills of Birmingham (and later New England) made growing cotton very profitable, at least until alternative growing areas such as Egypt came into production. Had there been no cotton boom, slavery might have faded away or at least had much less importance to the economy of the South.

    Slaves were not a commodity like gold that you can just store in a vault. They were productive assets like horses or (nowadays) trucks and tractors. If there was no way to make money from a operating trucks then owning a fleet of trucks would not make you wealthy, but since there is, a fleet of vehicles is a store of wealth. But you have to either operate them or sell them to someone else who will.

    Black people (putting aside the talented tenth who are just as capable as average white people - much of the drive for equal treatment of blacks comes from the issue of the talented tenth - it is inherently unfair to treat a talented tenth black as inferior to a white person, but 9 out of 10 blacks are NOT talented tenth - it would be much easier if ALL blacks were mentally inferior to whites instead of only 90% of them) are capable of hard work (in tasks not requiring mental agility) when they are placed in a disciplined framework. Their physical strength generally exceeds that of whites and they will survive and multiply in climates that would kill white people before modern medicine. They will always be problematic (stealing, drinking, slacking off, etc.) but that can be overcome to some extent. Slavery is one such framework but there are others - the military, the mines of S. Africa, etc. The problem is that we have NOT placed our blacks in any such framework but have left them to their own devices and they tend to run wild if they are not closely controlled. America is Haiti now.

    , @ben tillman
    @DextersLabRat


    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?
     
    Those are the same thing. The value of ownership is a product of the value of the labor.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

  238. @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    I have more compassion for the woman he sexually assaulted and for which he had an active warrant.

    • Agree: botazefa
  239. Another Night, Another Riot

    But no Doobie Brothers around to write a song about it.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @JimB

    Ha ha -- I've been thinking the same thing.

    What were once vices are now habits. Great album.

    Boy did the black kids on the school bus love to sing "Black Water"!

  240. @Patrick in SC
    @OscarWildeLoveChild


    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November.
     
    Even 2 weeks ago, I would have said this is far fetched.

    No longer.

    I think the process of people going to the polls will take place. Vote counting will take place too. This is so the Democrats can claim their usual haul of electoral votes from California, Illinois, New York, most of New England. But then if the overall result doesn't go the way they want, Biden winning, the entire process will grind to a halt with unsubstantiated charges of "voter suppression," "irregularities," "voter intimidation," (look for fake stories about 'right wing' militias frightening people away from voting places) and most of all: The unfairness of the whole thing owing to the coronavirus lockdown and the need to "count every vote" through mail in ballots. There will be injunctions against certifying the results for months until the needed number of ballots are harvested.

    All of the above will be encouraged and blared around the world by the leftist media. Reality will have absolutely no relation to what they "report" as true. If these people can drag the "Russia" insanity on for 3 plus years and get an Independent Counsel appointed, it will be child's play for them to vaguely suggest that votes were suppressed or that there were "irregularities" etc.

    "Count every vote" will replace "Black Lives Matter" as the mantra.

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    Replies: @S, @Alden, @The Last Real Calvinist

    The 2000 Bush vs Gore mess was a precursor to what the dems will do this year. Only this time the army marine officer corps above major was handpicked by Obama, just as the FBI Obama operatives.

    The lifer sergeants are what makes armies function. Many are black. As I learned watching the Zebra killings and later talking to one of the detectives involved, it’s perfectly possible for a black Muslim militant to be a competent police officer, clerk, dispatcher and help black criminals at the same time.

    By the time the French Revolution broke out, much of the army officer corps from Generals Beauharnois and Layfayette were to the teens at the military academies were committed revolutionaries. In fact General Beauharnois was president of one of the first revolutionary National Assemblies.

    It’s really not a good idea to give affirmative action government and military jobs to an historical, visible, ethnic , religious , language , regional group that’s been at odds with the government and the majority population for centuries.

    But that’s what America’s done for 52 years. Sneer at them as grunts all you like, but government clerks at all levels have a lot of power. Add feminazis, grievance monger immigrants like Kashama Sawant gays old left new left etc to the government and military work force and America 2020 is like France 1780.

    Both the Russian and French revolutions featured release of prisoners to wreak havoc in the very early stages of the revolution.

    Both revolutions took control of the cities first. Our cities are already controlled by blacks Jews gays and worst of all, the Soros pro criminal district attorneys.

    And if the liberals can’t pull it off November 2020 they’ll just wait another 4 years gaining strength, learning from past mistakes and planning for the future.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  241. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    The women are fat cows, the men relatively thin. All ugly. Maybe rioting fills the hole of the dateless night. Nobody wants to die fat, pointless, and alone.

    Rioting gives losers meaning. It distracts them from the inner chaos of their tragically aimless lives.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    LOL. Strange protesters who don't want their protest filmed or broadcast for people to see!

    , @El Dato
    @Anonymous


    Marauding BLM auxiliary gangs
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiBrnPaOqs

    "Requesting to snatch them ... find out who these guys are"
    "Negative!"

  242. @GeneralRipper
    @ben tillman


    And it’s brought to you by the same people who bring you all the other lunacy. This was the foreseeable result of requiring police forces to eliminate physical standards to accommodate female police officers. Presumably this foreseeable result was the reason for the imposition of the requirement.
     
    Exactly. Thank you, sir

    To the true believer Leftist ideologue, the false notion of "equality" must trump every other practical concern, no matter the cost in dollars or even human lives. The same sort of insanity is now rampant in the military as well.

    The Satanic Elites, on the other hand, perfectly understand the ultimate goal of the insanity.

    The complete destruction of our civilization.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    In the Army, shortly before I retired from the Illinois Army National Guard, the powers that be decreed that for one of the three events in the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), the situp, the standards for men and women would be the same.

    Previously women were required to meet higher standards in this event because they had an advantage in the event. This was due to the fact that muscles which had evolved to better facilitate childbirth were key muscles for the situp.

    Men continued to be expected to do better in the pushup and the two mile run (which was entirely reasonable.) The Army now had bragging rights for having one event in which men and women had to meet the same standard.

    Seems to me the bragging rights would be greater for the old way of requiring the women to do better in one event, to compensate for the fact that they got a break on the other two.

  243. @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    I think the perp is a net-loss to society in every way..

  244. @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    100% White (e.g. economically segregated) public schools suck, too.

    @fnn

    A sniper is trained to shoot to kill. LH was following FBI (i.e. an unconstitutional, federal police force) protocol.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I was an armed clerk and I was trained to aim center of mass. I’d like to know who in the entire world was ever trained to shoot to maim. I know Richard J. Daley ordered his cops to do this to looters, and to shoot to kill only arsonists. Whether any of them were ever trained to do this is another story.

  245. @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    If I were into Jesus I’d pray for everyone involved. I’d pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where’s the compassion, commenters?

    Sure, I’ll pray for him. However, I don’t take kindly to listening to a lecture about Christian compassion from an agnostic. Maybe this is, for you, an Alinskyite, “Make them live up to their ideals” moment for you?

  246. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @BB753


    Paid goons. FBI assets.
     
    Correction: Soros-funded goons.

    Replies: @BB753

    Is there a difference?

  247. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    Pritzker and Obama had nothing to do with it. Chicago blacks began moving to Wisconsin in the 1970s looking for higher welfare.

    I remember reading an article in National Review about what the savage black children were doing to Kenosha public schools in the mid 198os.

    Chicago Blacks could have moved to Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky, or stayed in Illinois They chose Wisconsin because it has much higher welfare than any other state bordering Illinois.

    Replies: @RVBlake, @Abolish_public_education, @Anonymous Jew

    They also moved to Seattle around the same time and settled in the Central District, which was originally built by Jews (or at least their money) in the 1910s and later settled by Japanese. The Blacks moved in and the neighborhood was soon plagued with crime, deteriorating housing etc. Over the last few decades White gentrifiers paid the Blacks to leave. Now Blacks want “their” neighborhood back. So, to recap, the ownership went Native Americans > Jews > Japanese > Blacks > Gay Whites but somehow it’s the Black’s. Just like everything else. When you have the mental state of a 10-year-old it’s all about you. This is Lord of the Flies. No headmaster in sight. Except the children have muscles and guns.

  248. @Jane Plain
    Blake is now paralyzed from the waist down.

    Don't worry, they can now extract his sperm and use it to inseminate a brigade of Wakandan Amazons.

    Replies: @Midnights, @Anon

    He can’t rape anyone now.

  249. @Perry Mason
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You are out of your mind Buzz. This is the boomer mentality that was propagandized into your skull for decades.

    As many culturally conservative libertarians have been exploring and expounding upon for years, the West became the "West" because of its extreme decentralization and competition among authorities. This followed from the intermix among Christianity and the limitations it imposes on followers, serving as a foundation and providing a pivotal Church authority, strong familial cultures (clans, etc.), and Latin and Greek logic.

    The fracturing began with the Reformation and Renaissance, backward or jaundiced movements both of them (albeit with some forward developments), and the sheer violence of the Reformers and their absolutist kings and parliaments, which required populations to tether themselves increasingly to larger and larger states for protection.

    The large state is no longer necessary or helpful for granting this protection. Its unique distinction has been lost. Decentralization, free trade and managed borders is the only path for the future. It's not moral nor sensible for people in California to have power over those in Texas. Holy people and communities will emerge strong and grounded; others, not so much.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As many culturally conservative libertarians

    Stopped reading right there.

  250. @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    As far as this latest kneegrow ,as well as St George, and St Rayshard, and St Mikey Brown and St Trayvon etc…

    I’ll simply repeat what my dear ol’ Dad used to say:

    Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

    When you and ALL your bleeding heart faggot-ass friends go live with them and send your brats to school with them and show us the depths of your compassion and lead by example, perhaps we’ll have a change of heart.

    Of course, that will most likely occur during the reign of Queen Dick….lol

  251. — Tyrone Slothrop, Esq.:
    Dear Kenosha Kid: Did I ever bother you, EVER, for anything in your life?

    — You never did. — The Kenosha Kid

  252. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.
     
    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn't an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem - jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.
     
    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.
     
    Professional wrestling is no faker than "Negro labour", which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich
     
    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @GeneralRipper, @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America. After all they were the first ones to do it, made lots of money from it, and kept it up almost to the eve of Mr Lincoln’s war. Even after their home states had outlawed owning negros.

    You should research that, bro.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America.
     
    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.

    Say what you will about "Yankee" robber barons. Irishmen lined up for blocks to take the jobs they offered.

    And the Micks actually did the work, most of the time, anyway. If one didn't show up, he wasn't allowed back. What a concept!

    Being surly Irishmen, I suppose they did spit in the food now and then. In that respect, they were no different from your Africans.

    What is it about race realism than angers Southerners so?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @GeneralRipper

  253. @Buzz Mohawk
    Kenosha was one of the locations of the industrial plants across America my father was responsible for during his career. This is sad. Nothing good can come from this destruction. The only other thing equal to it -- in fact much more damaging and worse -- was the transfer of my father's industry from places like Kenosha to East Asia for cheap dumb labor with no human rights recognizable to Western Man.

    We live in a terrible world, and these riots are just a glimpse of the evil. There was a time when Americans had freed themselves from this evil, but that time is over.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jake, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @JohnPlywood, @Jus' Sayin'..., @JimDandy, @MBlanc46

    That is a dire view, Buzz, but, I fear, an accurate one.

  254. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kenosha was the home of American Motors (and before that Nash and predecessor company Rambler) starting in 1902. The 1902 Rambler featured innovative features that we now take for granted, such as a steering wheel instead of a tiller and the engine in the front rather than under the seat. Kenosha 1902 was a tech hub which rapidly made the transition from bicycle manufacturing to the new technology of auto manufacturing and Rambler was among the first to adopt the assembly line.

    However, the seeds of its later downfall came early. Kenosha was where the AMC/Jeep straight 6 engine was produced. While this engine was a durable unit, it was originally produced in 1941 and in comparison to modern designs it was inefficient and produced little power (in its final version it made 190 hp out of 4 liters of displacement. Modern engines can make in excess of 150 hp per liter.) Overhead valves were added in 1952 and from then until 2006 (when production was finally discontinued) the design changed little - evolutionary changes such as the addition of fuel injection were made but the basic setup remained the same. Not coincidentally, the company that was producing it (at the end, Chrysler) went bankrupt.

    You can only milk the work of your innovative ancestors for so long. Rather than being dedicated to innovation, the US auto industry (and American industry in general) was dedicated to maximizing profits, in part by spending as little as possible on R&D. All of their energy was dedicated to glitzy marketing and to superficial changes in the outer skin of their product but what was (literally) under the hood remained the same for decade after decade.

    The UAW was also at fault - more money would have been available for R&D if the unionized workforce was not receiving a gold plated salary and benefit package that far exceeded their market value in the absence of union extortion. If the UAW saw that the auto makers had any excess cash, they would raise their demands to suck it away. Japanese auto makers did not have to contend with this.

    If you had told Thomas B. Jeffery (the man who started it all) that his company would produce the same engine for 65 years he would have been utterly shocked and appalled.

    The fish stinks from the head. Our country has experienced a failure of leadership, both in government and in labor and industry. If the rioters had real jobs in a real factory they wouldn't be out rioting but the factory that was in Kenosha did not keep up with innovation and so now they have nothing better to do. The site of the AMC factory now sits vacant and abandoned.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick, @Buzz Mohawk, @JMcG, @Dr. X

    I have an AMC/Kenosha designed 2.5 four Jeep engine in a 2001 Chrysler product. That engine isn’t fast but it keeps chugging away and dosen’t burn a drop of oil at 200,000 miles…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dr. X

    A Dodge Dakota (small) pickup truck?

    The AMC four was (more or less) 2/3 of the AMC 6 cyl. engine and shared both its reliability and its lack of performance. There is something to be said for simple straightforward designs but there is no free lunch - the same simplicity that makes the engine rugged comes at the price of power and fuel economy.

  255. @Driveby Commenter
    Commenters here need to check their outrage and say _something_about the atrocity shown in the video of the shooting.

    The officer was holding Jacob Blake by the arm while he poured shot after shot into his back. It's a fluke that Blake didn't die instantly. The shooting was an on-the-spot execution that narrowly failed.

    Yes, he'd been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car's glove box. And yes, if he didn't do that, he was likely to just drive away.

    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer's gun was drawn - Blake couldn't possibly have shot him first.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off - how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him? Or even how about noting the car's licence plate number and picking him up at leisure? Is it a principle of American policing that non-cooperation justifies execution?

    When I look at this from the other side of the Atlantic I see a horribly brutal police force and an iSteve commentariat that thinks that it's only those other people who need fear it. But some recent events have shown that you need to fear it too.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @wren, @El Dato, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Anon, @Dr. X, @astrolabe, @Anon, @JimDandy, @Anon7, @Frank McGar, @Bill P, @Adam Smith, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @Faraday's Bobcat, @Drew, @Anonymousse, @DextersLabRat, @Mr. Anon, @Muggles, @AceDeuce, @MBlanc46

    “Pick him up at leisure”? Just how would that attempt to arrest him differ from the attempt at issue? Shoot him in the leg? Right. Go back to your fantasy world”.

  256. @Anonymousse
    @Dr. X


    That’s chickenshit
     
    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.

    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think “might be reaching for a weapon” but didn’t actually display one or else I’ll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.

    Unlike the cops, who get a pass because “heroes” and shiny badge and all that.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Dr. X

    The rules of engagement are different for the police than for you as an armed individual and for good reason. You have the option to avoid trouble if possible; their job requires that they engage it.

    Relentless anti-police agitating, never giving them the benefit of the doubt when the situation is murky, and condemning them for using violence even when absolutely necessary, as with Michael Brown, is insane. It's going to destroy our society. We can't rejigger law enforcement to meet the preferences of feral blacks and clueless liberals.

    You know who kill a lot of people? Doctors. Not deliberately in most cases, but through sloppy work and ignorance. I'm sure many times more blacks die at the hands of doctors than at the hands of police. So maybe we need to start harassing doctors, burning their clinics, and chanting outside their homes until they achieve perfect performance. That seems to be the approach for law enforcement.

    , @ben tillman
    @Dr. X


    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think “might be reaching for a weapon” but didn’t actually display one or else I’ll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.
     
    Your reasonable fear and their reasonable fear are different because they are making an arrest, which provides a reason for the arrestee to use deadly force against them.
  257. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Driveby Commenter

    >Two cops pointing guns at Black guy
    >They tell him to stop
    >He says "no"
    >Walks away
    >Cops "Well, OK. Have a good day, sir"

    Replies: @Carol, @Pontius

    I remember Joan Rivers interviewing some NYFD members years ago and asking them if there was ever a situation where they say this is just too dangerous, we’re not getting involved. The NYFD firefighter said, there’s no one coming after us. We’re it.

  258. @Patrick in SC
    @OscarWildeLoveChild


    I’ve said it repeatedly, there will be no election in November.
     
    Even 2 weeks ago, I would have said this is far fetched.

    No longer.

    I think the process of people going to the polls will take place. Vote counting will take place too. This is so the Democrats can claim their usual haul of electoral votes from California, Illinois, New York, most of New England. But then if the overall result doesn't go the way they want, Biden winning, the entire process will grind to a halt with unsubstantiated charges of "voter suppression," "irregularities," "voter intimidation," (look for fake stories about 'right wing' militias frightening people away from voting places) and most of all: The unfairness of the whole thing owing to the coronavirus lockdown and the need to "count every vote" through mail in ballots. There will be injunctions against certifying the results for months until the needed number of ballots are harvested.

    All of the above will be encouraged and blared around the world by the leftist media. Reality will have absolutely no relation to what they "report" as true. If these people can drag the "Russia" insanity on for 3 plus years and get an Independent Counsel appointed, it will be child's play for them to vaguely suggest that votes were suppressed or that there were "irregularities" etc.

    "Count every vote" will replace "Black Lives Matter" as the mantra.

    They will not accept a Trump win.

    Replies: @S, @Alden, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I find everything you’ve said here depressingly plausible.

    Quite a few 2018 congressional elections were test runs for ballot harvesting. It appears this tactic was widely successful, and not challenged effectively by the Republican party.

    Mass ‘mail voting’ is a blank check for fraud.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  259. @Dr. X
    @Driveby Commenter

    Generally some good thoughts. From what I saw it did look like a bad shoot, BUT then again, the initial video of the George Floyd incident looked like police brutality. When the subsequent video came out, it turned out that the cops were actually being very nice to him but he was freaking out from having taken too much fentanyl.

    So I think we should let the facts come out before rioting. Police brutality is real, but I think these people are the type who want to riot anyway and police brutality is simply a pretext.


    Yes, he’d been tasered and was still walking. Yes, there was a chance he could pull a gun ou of the car’s glove box. And yes, if he didn’t do that, he was likely to just drive away.
    But the time to start shooting was when that hypothetical gun appeared. The officer’s gun was drawn – Blake couldn’t possibly have shot him first.
     
    I agree with this. It troubles me when cops justify a shooting by saying "He might have been reaching for a weapon." Not good enough for me, I don't think deadly force is appropriate unless a deadly weapon has absolutely been displayed the suspect.

    And when no gun appeared and Blake started driving off – how about one shot in the leg in preference to emptying your gun into him? How about shooting out the tyres in preference to shooting him?
     
    That only works in the movies, not real life. "Shooting someone in the leg" in a fluid situation is not very easy, and may not be incapacitating. Nor is shooting out the tires easy -- or effective. The time to use a handgun is when one's life is in immediate danger and you have to shoot to neutralize that danger. Period. Even then, as we see in the case of Mr. Blake, a handgun is not guaranteed to kill or incapacitate someone even with multiple hits unless the shots are placed in the heart/lung region or central nervous system.

    Yes, cops do shometimes shoot people for noncompliance. It's a problem that needs to be addressed.

    However I think Mr. Blake bears some responsibility also for creating a situation likely to end badly.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @ScarletNumber

    Go build a creature.

  260. @JimDandy
    @Jonathan Silber

    I think it might come to that. The problem is that what white guy in his right mind would sign up to be a new cop now? Are we looking at a future police department that will be mostly minority?

    I've wondered here if the push to de-fund police while de-criminalizing crime is a long con to create an excuse for a federal police force that would take the place of local cops.

    What if the police department of the future basically looks like Antifa?

    Replies: @Moses

    I’ve wondered here if the push to de-fund police while de-criminalizing crime is a long con to create an excuse for a federal police force that would take the place of local cops.

    Bingo.

  261. @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America. After all they were the first ones to do it, made lots of money from it, and kept it up almost to the eve of Mr Lincoln's war. Even after their home states had outlawed owning negros.

    You should research that, bro.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America.

    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.

    Say what you will about “Yankee” robber barons. Irishmen lined up for blocks to take the jobs they offered.

    And the Micks actually did the work, most of the time, anyway. If one didn’t show up, he wasn’t allowed back. What a concept!

    Being surly Irishmen, I suppose they did spit in the food now and then. In that respect, they were no different from your Africans.

    What is it about race realism than angers Southerners so?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar


    And the Micks actually did the work,

     

    Doing the work, Reg. That's what it's all about.
    , @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar


    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.
     
    Sorry Reg, wrong again.

    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln's anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves.


     

    http://slavenorth.com/index.html

    Back to the drawing board, boss...lol

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S

  262. @DextersLabRat
    @Reg Cæsar

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?

    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?

    Corv has his own problem, though. If enslaved blacks were profitable, why aren’t free ones? I’m the one who’s being consistent: They couldn’t have been profitable, unless someone was cooking the books.

    • Replies: @S
    @Reg Cæsar



    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?
     
    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?
     
    The financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London during the critical war year of 1863, Robert Walker, made the following economic calculations below while in that city. Taking multiple variables into account, he compared wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’) dependent Massachusetts, with chattel slave dependendent South Carolina, and concluded Mass’s system was four to one more efficient, productive, and profitable, than South Carolina’s.

    This would explain the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates financing the construction of both Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Mass and it's sister city, the infamous abolition center of Lawrence, 'Bleeding' Kansas.

    The Lawrence's didn't like paying for the very expensive chattel slave labor which picked the cotton which fed their textile mills. Northern industrialists wanted the recalcitrant South to adopt their wage slavery (ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system), and hence a major reason for the war.

    Within a few years of the war's conclusion, some serious headway in this direction seemed to have been being made when Dutch 'labor contractor' Cornelius Koopmanschap in 1869 announced plans to import one hundred thousand wage slaves (cheap laborers) directly from China to the United States to work the South's plantations.

    Wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship which brought the first Africans to Jamestown in 1619 to work the plantations then, some two hundred and fifty years earlier?

    Just like old times.

    New York Times (July 21, 1869)

    KOOPMANSCHAP.; Who He Is, What He has Done, and What He Proposes to do, The Approaching Inundation of Chinese Coolies.
     
    [Walker's 1863 letter from London where these calculations appeared can be found at one (or both) of the 'Making of America' websites. My archives have a direct link to it.]

    The Continental Monthly (March, 1864) – American Finances and Resources

    “The educated free labor of Massachusetts, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….”
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/reparations-now-reparations-tomorrow-reparations-forever/#comment-4114966

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.ht

    Replies: @S, @Jack D

  263. @Jack D
    @JMcG


    Bell Labs, Texas Instruments, Digital.
     
    These were all great but Bell Labs and Digital (Equipment Corp.) have been gone for decades. TI makes mostly overpriced legacy calculators that are highly profitable because they are locked into school curriculums. When was the last time that they came out with a truly innovative product?

    Replies: @Excal

    When was the last time that they came out with a truly innovative product?

    Probably very recently — but if you aren’t an electrical engineer, it’s unlikely you’ll ever hear about it. Calculators are actually a very small part of TI’s business. Their main business for many years has been semiconductors, and they have been one of the most advanced companies in that field since its beginning. The very first integrated circuit was built at TI (by Jack Kilby), and they also made the first affordable, mass-produced discrete transistors. They aren’t famous like Intel and AMD, but they work in different markets.

    Bell Labs still exists. It is now owned by Nokia, and interesting things do emerge from there now and again, though it isn’t what it once was. It suffered greatly after AT&T sold it to Lucent, and a lot of talent was lost to companies like Google and Microsoft — for instance Ken Thompson and Rob Pike went to Google, where among other things they worked on Go. And speaking of DEC, Gordon Bell has been at Microsoft Research since 1995.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  264. @Anonymous
    The women are fat cows, the men relatively thin. All ugly. Maybe rioting fills the hole of the dateless night. Nobody wants to die fat, pointless, and alone.

    Rioting gives losers meaning. It distracts them from the inner chaos of their tragically aimless lives.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298359472646000645?s=20

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @El Dato

    LOL. Strange protesters who don’t want their protest filmed or broadcast for people to see!

  265. @Dr. X
    @Jack D

    I have an AMC/Kenosha designed 2.5 four Jeep engine in a 2001 Chrysler product. That engine isn't fast but it keeps chugging away and dosen't burn a drop of oil at 200,000 miles...

    Replies: @Jack D

    A Dodge Dakota (small) pickup truck?

    The AMC four was (more or less) 2/3 of the AMC 6 cyl. engine and shared both its reliability and its lack of performance. There is something to be said for simple straightforward designs but there is no free lunch – the same simplicity that makes the engine rugged comes at the price of power and fuel economy.

  266. @DextersLabRat
    @Reg Cæsar

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    That’s a stupid question. The reason the slaves had value in the first place was that their labor (combined with the land taken from the Indians and the ingenuity of white people) produced a profitable commodity. If slaves did not produce profits then they wouldn’t have had any value. America’s bad luck was that the discovery of the cotton gin, combined with a booming demand for cotton by the newly automated mills of Birmingham (and later New England) made growing cotton very profitable, at least until alternative growing areas such as Egypt came into production. Had there been no cotton boom, slavery might have faded away or at least had much less importance to the economy of the South.

    Slaves were not a commodity like gold that you can just store in a vault. They were productive assets like horses or (nowadays) trucks and tractors. If there was no way to make money from a operating trucks then owning a fleet of trucks would not make you wealthy, but since there is, a fleet of vehicles is a store of wealth. But you have to either operate them or sell them to someone else who will.

    Black people (putting aside the talented tenth who are just as capable as average white people – much of the drive for equal treatment of blacks comes from the issue of the talented tenth – it is inherently unfair to treat a talented tenth black as inferior to a white person, but 9 out of 10 blacks are NOT talented tenth – it would be much easier if ALL blacks were mentally inferior to whites instead of only 90% of them) are capable of hard work (in tasks not requiring mental agility) when they are placed in a disciplined framework. Their physical strength generally exceeds that of whites and they will survive and multiply in climates that would kill white people before modern medicine. They will always be problematic (stealing, drinking, slacking off, etc.) but that can be overcome to some extent. Slavery is one such framework but there are others – the military, the mines of S. Africa, etc. The problem is that we have NOT placed our blacks in any such framework but have left them to their own devices and they tend to run wild if they are not closely controlled. America is Haiti now.

  267. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    You could sail from Yemen to India with the monsoon wind at your back quite easily at a certain season of the year. Getting back to the Red Sea was harder but not too difficult. But I guess few Romans went around Southeast Asia to China. I've heard of two Roman ambassadors who made it, but I guess silk was more of an overland trade item.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ginger bread man, @Dave Pinsen

    Is there any evidence of Europeans traveling by sea to the Far East before the Portuguese?

    I know the Romans sailed to Europe – did these Roman ambassadors hitch a ride on an Asian ship to China?

  268. @Anon
    @Anonymous



    I’m reading a book on the Silk Road
     
    What title?
     
    It’s Raoul McLaughlin’s The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes. I had previously read his The Roman Empire and the Indian Ocean. I think he has a third volume in the works.

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Indian-Ocean-Kingdoms-ebook/dp/B00OZ3HWM2/

    https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Empire-Silk-Routes-Ancient-ebook/dp/B01MA3TAQ5/

    The author dropped out of his Ph.D. program in Belfast due to lack of funds. He has spent the last decade or so finishing his research and writing books on his own, apparently living in his parents’ basement or something. His angle is Rome’s foreign trade, which is often overlooked. His books are interesting in their geekiness, which is what you get without an editor (although they are scrupulously copyedited and professionally produced). He has reconstructed the economy and annual budgets of ancient Rome using triangulation on various factors, and then shows how much Rome depended on overseas trade, yet how it squandered most of its silver and gold in the process. The first volume deals with east Africa, the Arabian pennisula, and India, trading for frankincense, pepper, and the like, in exchange for gold and an extinct sort of red coral from the Mediterranean Sea. The second volume deasl with silk and the like via the Silk Road. I had no idea how far afield Roman ships ventured. And apparently for hundreds of years there was a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez wide enough for two ships to pass in places, but it was never perfectly maintained and functional its whole length, so it never really got use. Instead they built a wall around a road the whole way and Roman soldiers would escort camel caravans.

    McLaughlin does that 19th century historian thing of including all his research materials in the text and footnotes of the book: For instance, he establishes the important of silk in Rome via every friggin’ mention of it in extant commercial documents, graffiti, tombstone engravings, mentions in poetry and drama and history, shipwreak discoveries, the New Testament, and whatnot. I like this approach: I can judge how much I trust the writer’s judgment. He reconstructs a world in which everyone wanted silk and its use grew and grew. The Romans imported Chinese silk cloth and thread. The cloth they unwound back into thread, and then they re-weaved it into more thin, translucent fabric. Think of the labor in that. The state got, can’t remember, but maybe a 20 percent tax on imports, and the importers were broke when they returned, so they just gave the government the tax in silk. The Roman government owned a huge amount of silk.

    I was led to these quirky books from the tiny book cover thumbnails that genetics blogger Razib Khan includes in his blog posts. The guy reads widely.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JMcG, @Dave Pinsen

    Those books sound interesting – does he explain why the Romans didn’t just ask the Chinese for raw silk?

    I recall reading that during the Spanish galleon trade ~1500 years later Europeans were able to order custom products from China.

  269. True story,fwiw: Years ago, I was sitting in the Highland Park Metra station,waiting for the last train to Ravinia. When I had entered the station, I heard a white woman talking on a cell phone. She was very agitated. She was talking,I soon deduced,( I am no fool!) to her mom,in Kenosha,to come down and pick her up. Seems the last train to Kenosha had already left. She was near hysteria. Also,I should add,she had a black baby.

    The cell phone belonged to another woman,who,as the call progressed,got more and more anxious to get her phone back! Our train was nigh.

    A thought occurred to me: Why can’t the baby’s father drive down and pick them up? Was he working the late shift?😄

    So,the bell rang for our train,and the small crowd got up to go. As they did,I impulsively did something I would later regret. I gave her ten dollars and said good luck. After I did that,the only black person in the crowd,a guy,also gave her money. Hey I am inspirational! I say regret because as I became more political,I figured,heck,she’s a coalburner she chose that life. But I’d probably do it again.

    I wonder if she,or her lil rugrat were out there last night. Probably. And her poor mother! God help her,as my dear mom used to say.

  270. S says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @DextersLabRat


    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?
     
    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?

    Corv has his own problem, though. If enslaved blacks were profitable, why aren't free ones? I'm the one who's being consistent: They couldn't have been profitable, unless someone was cooking the books.

    Replies: @S

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?

    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?

    The financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London during the critical war year of 1863, Robert Walker, made the following economic calculations below while in that city. Taking multiple variables into account, he compared wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’) dependent Massachusetts, with chattel slave dependendent South Carolina, and concluded Mass’s system was four to one more efficient, productive, and profitable, than South Carolina’s.

    This would explain the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates financing the construction of both Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Mass and it’s sister city, the infamous abolition center of Lawrence, ‘Bleeding’ Kansas.

    The Lawrence’s didn’t like paying for the very expensive chattel slave labor which picked the cotton which fed their textile mills. Northern industrialists wanted the recalcitrant South to adopt their wage slavery (ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system), and hence a major reason for the war.

    Within a few years of the war’s conclusion, some serious headway in this direction seemed to have been being made when Dutch ‘labor contractor’ Cornelius Koopmanschap in 1869 announced plans to import one hundred thousand wage slaves (cheap laborers) directly from China to the United States to work the South’s plantations.

    Wasn’t it a Dutch flagged ship which brought the first Africans to Jamestown in 1619 to work the plantations then, some two hundred and fifty years earlier?

    Just like old times.

    New York Times (July 21, 1869)

    KOOPMANSCHAP.; Who He Is, What He has Done, and What He Proposes to do, The Approaching Inundation of Chinese Coolies.

    [Walker’s 1863 letter from London where these calculations appeared can be found at one (or both) of the ‘Making of America’ websites. My archives have a direct link to it.]

    The Continental Monthly (March, 1864) – American Finances and Resources

    “The educated free labor of Massachusetts, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/reparations-now-reparations-tomorrow-reparations-forever/#comment-4114966

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.ht

    • Replies: @S
    @S

    Oops, this should be a good link to the NY Times article from the previous post.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    An excerpt from another 1869 NY Times article on Koopmanscap. The Lewisville convention included a lot of Southern plantation owners who were said to be quite enthusiastic with Koopmanscap' s proposal of Chinese wage slaves (so called 'cheap labor') to do the plantation work. [These plans ultimately fell through.]

    The Dutchman Koopmanscap (at least earlier in the decade when providing Chinese wage slaves to railroad tycoon Stanford in California) had an either half (or possibly wholly Jewish) Hong Kong based business partner, Maurice Bosman.

    Bosman handled the Asian procurement of the Chinese wage slaves, while Koopmanscap handled their North American distribution.

    For the Southern elites and hangers on, the war was about 'state's rights'...to preserve chattel slavery. For the Northern elites and hangers on, it was to preserve the Union...so as to force upon the South (and then greatly profit from) the North's wage slavery, ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system.

    For both 'sides' the war was about slavery, chattel or wage, ie the systematic theft of an individual's labor, and was a pretty poor moral cause all around.


    New York Times (Oct 12, 1869) - Mr. Koopmanschap and His Labor Contracts

    Mr. KOOPMANSCHAP, the collie-labor contractor, left this City last evening for Louisville, Where he is to address the Commercial Convention on the subject of Chinese laborers, and the advantages to be derived from importing them for the labor market of the country.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/10/12/archives/mr-koopmanschap-and-his-labor-contracts.html
    , @Jack D
    @S

    This is just wrong - slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor. In the Caribbean and S. America, once slavery was abolished they brought in free labor from India, China, even Japan and there are large communities in various countries to this day. But not from Africa.

    Replies: @S

  271. @Dr. X
    @Anonymousse


    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.
     
    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think "might be reaching for a weapon" but didn't actually display one or else I'll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.

    Unlike the cops, who get a pass because "heroes" and shiny badge and all that.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    The rules of engagement are different for the police than for you as an armed individual and for good reason. You have the option to avoid trouble if possible; their job requires that they engage it.

    Relentless anti-police agitating, never giving them the benefit of the doubt when the situation is murky, and condemning them for using violence even when absolutely necessary, as with Michael Brown, is insane. It’s going to destroy our society. We can’t rejigger law enforcement to meet the preferences of feral blacks and clueless liberals.

    You know who kill a lot of people? Doctors. Not deliberately in most cases, but through sloppy work and ignorance. I’m sure many times more blacks die at the hands of doctors than at the hands of police. So maybe we need to start harassing doctors, burning their clinics, and chanting outside their homes until they achieve perfect performance. That seems to be the approach for law enforcement.

    • Agree: El Dato, Joseph Doaks
  272. @S
    @Reg Cæsar



    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?
     
    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?
     
    The financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London during the critical war year of 1863, Robert Walker, made the following economic calculations below while in that city. Taking multiple variables into account, he compared wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’) dependent Massachusetts, with chattel slave dependendent South Carolina, and concluded Mass’s system was four to one more efficient, productive, and profitable, than South Carolina’s.

    This would explain the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates financing the construction of both Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Mass and it's sister city, the infamous abolition center of Lawrence, 'Bleeding' Kansas.

    The Lawrence's didn't like paying for the very expensive chattel slave labor which picked the cotton which fed their textile mills. Northern industrialists wanted the recalcitrant South to adopt their wage slavery (ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system), and hence a major reason for the war.

    Within a few years of the war's conclusion, some serious headway in this direction seemed to have been being made when Dutch 'labor contractor' Cornelius Koopmanschap in 1869 announced plans to import one hundred thousand wage slaves (cheap laborers) directly from China to the United States to work the South's plantations.

    Wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship which brought the first Africans to Jamestown in 1619 to work the plantations then, some two hundred and fifty years earlier?

    Just like old times.

    New York Times (July 21, 1869)

    KOOPMANSCHAP.; Who He Is, What He has Done, and What He Proposes to do, The Approaching Inundation of Chinese Coolies.
     
    [Walker's 1863 letter from London where these calculations appeared can be found at one (or both) of the 'Making of America' websites. My archives have a direct link to it.]

    The Continental Monthly (March, 1864) – American Finances and Resources

    “The educated free labor of Massachusetts, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….”
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/reparations-now-reparations-tomorrow-reparations-forever/#comment-4114966

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.ht

    Replies: @S, @Jack D

    Oops, this should be a good link to the NY Times article from the previous post.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    An excerpt from another 1869 NY Times article on Koopmanscap. The Lewisville convention included a lot of Southern plantation owners who were said to be quite enthusiastic with Koopmanscap’ s proposal of Chinese wage slaves (so called ‘cheap labor’) to do the plantation work. [These plans ultimately fell through.]

    The Dutchman Koopmanscap (at least earlier in the decade when providing Chinese wage slaves to railroad tycoon Stanford in California) had an either half (or possibly wholly Jewish) Hong Kong based business partner, Maurice Bosman.

    Bosman handled the Asian procurement of the Chinese wage slaves, while Koopmanscap handled their North American distribution.

    For the Southern elites and hangers on, the war was about ‘state’s rights’…to preserve chattel slavery. For the Northern elites and hangers on, it was to preserve the Union…so as to force upon the South (and then greatly profit from) the North’s wage slavery, ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system.

    For both ‘sides’ the war was about slavery, chattel or wage, ie the systematic theft of an individual’s labor, and was a pretty poor moral cause all around.

    New York Times (Oct 12, 1869) – Mr. Koopmanschap and His Labor Contracts

    Mr. KOOPMANSCHAP, the collie-labor contractor, left this City last evening for Louisville, Where he is to address the Commercial Convention on the subject of Chinese laborers, and the advantages to be derived from importing them for the labor market of the country.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/10/12/archives/mr-koopmanschap-and-his-labor-contracts.html

  273. Dat Counterstrike Atmosphere. The harmonious black female voices only add to the overall realism.

    de_kenosha spawn point:

  274. @Anonymous
    The women are fat cows, the men relatively thin. All ugly. Maybe rioting fills the hole of the dateless night. Nobody wants to die fat, pointless, and alone.

    Rioting gives losers meaning. It distracts them from the inner chaos of their tragically aimless lives.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298359472646000645?s=20

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @El Dato

    Marauding BLM auxiliary gangs

    “Requesting to snatch them … find out who these guys are”
    “Negative!”

  275. @S
    @Reg Cæsar



    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually?
     
    For some odd reason, the only one on this forum willing to address the issue straightforwardly is Corvinus. What are the others afraid of?
     
    The financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London during the critical war year of 1863, Robert Walker, made the following economic calculations below while in that city. Taking multiple variables into account, he compared wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’) dependent Massachusetts, with chattel slave dependendent South Carolina, and concluded Mass’s system was four to one more efficient, productive, and profitable, than South Carolina’s.

    This would explain the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates financing the construction of both Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Mass and it's sister city, the infamous abolition center of Lawrence, 'Bleeding' Kansas.

    The Lawrence's didn't like paying for the very expensive chattel slave labor which picked the cotton which fed their textile mills. Northern industrialists wanted the recalcitrant South to adopt their wage slavery (ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system), and hence a major reason for the war.

    Within a few years of the war's conclusion, some serious headway in this direction seemed to have been being made when Dutch 'labor contractor' Cornelius Koopmanschap in 1869 announced plans to import one hundred thousand wage slaves (cheap laborers) directly from China to the United States to work the South's plantations.

    Wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship which brought the first Africans to Jamestown in 1619 to work the plantations then, some two hundred and fifty years earlier?

    Just like old times.

    New York Times (July 21, 1869)

    KOOPMANSCHAP.; Who He Is, What He has Done, and What He Proposes to do, The Approaching Inundation of Chinese Coolies.
     
    [Walker's 1863 letter from London where these calculations appeared can be found at one (or both) of the 'Making of America' websites. My archives have a direct link to it.]

    The Continental Monthly (March, 1864) – American Finances and Resources

    “The educated free labor of Massachusetts, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….”
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/reparations-now-reparations-tomorrow-reparations-forever/#comment-4114966

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.ht

    Replies: @S, @Jack D

    This is just wrong – slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor. In the Caribbean and S. America, once slavery was abolished they brought in free labor from India, China, even Japan and there are large communities in various countries to this day. But not from Africa.

    • Replies: @S
    @Jack D


    This is just wrong – slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor.
     
    Not according to Robert Walker or Eliza Andrews, people at the highest tiers of both Northern and Southern Civil War era Anglo-Saxon society respectively, as I've quoted from and linked to in this thread.

    According to Andrews, self deception played a major role for this on the South's part, but, also, perhaps even more so, emotion.

    After two hundred plus years, chattel slavery had become entrenched in the South, economically, physically and emotionally.

    Eliza Andrews, whose father was one of the self described 'priviliged 4000' who ruled over the South, (ie those three thousand persons owning a hundred or more slaves, and one thousand 'allied' business owners) went into some length in the forward of her 1908 book how despite it being against financial logic, Southern slave owning elites and hangers on had shaped for themselves a happy and joyous society, one much like (for them) King Arthur's court.

    The elites and hangers on of the South were happy..

    From the foreword of Andrews 1908 book linked to below.


    Narrow and provincial we may have been, in some respects, but take it all in all, it is doubtful whether the world has ever produced a state of society more rich in all the resources for a thoroughly wholesome, happy, and joyous life than existed among the privileged "4,000" under the peculiar civilization of the Old South.
     
    The North wishing to force wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor', (also known by the war era propaganda term 'free labor') upon the South, and the South resisting in the US Civil War, I liken to an argument between two drug addicts, one whom (the North with it's history of slave dealing) is also a major drug dealer as well.

    Both addicts have long been addicted to the powerful financial drug of not paying the prevailing real time local costs of labor, to (generally) their own largely Anglo-Saxon people, and instead systematically stealing the value of their labor (ie the financial essence of slavery) from chattel slaves, that, and or also profiting from dealing the same, as in the case of the North.

    The one drug addict (the North) discovers a far more efficient and profitable way to obtain this stolen labor high with wage slavery acquired by way of the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, than being pushed globally by the British Empire. While it is indeed much more efficient and profitable at obtaining systematically stolen labor, and on the surface looks much 'cleaner', it also kills the society so addicted much more quickly. It is like a crack addict discovering the much more addictive and pure (though much more deadly) high of mainlining heroin.

    Meanwhile, the South was fat and happy with it's old crack addiction of chattel slavery and didn't wish to change, but the North would not have it, and used violence to force it's way upon the South.

    In time, Southern slave owning elites likely would have went for wage slavery (so called 'cheap labor') on their own, much to their own people's great detriment, provided they were guaranteed compensation for lost 'property'.

    This is a very rough word picture, no question.

    My personal belief is that once violence became unavoidable in 1861, the guns should of been turned upon the chattel slave holders of the South, and the same corresponding ilk in the North, ie the promoters of mass immigration and the hirers on (exploiters) of the wage slave ('cheap labor') 'immigrants', and put a stop to both slavery systems simultaneously, a true abolition of slavery much unlike the fraudulent one which in reality took place.

    Society could of went on from there with full self determination for those desiring it.

    That's the war that should of been fought, one which a non slaveholder and honorable man such as Robert E Lee could of led with gusto.


    https://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/andrews/andrews.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  276. @DextersLabRat
    @Reg Cæsar

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?

    Those are the same thing. The value of ownership is a product of the value of the labor.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @ben tillman

    Unless the whole thing was a scam, like diamonds.

  277. @JimB

    Another Night, Another Riot
     
    But no Doobie Brothers around to write a song about it.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Ha ha — I’ve been thinking the same thing.

    What were once vices are now habits. Great album.

    Boy did the black kids on the school bus love to sing “Black Water”!

  278. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    All in all, this thing ended about as well as could be expected. No police were seriously injured and a known criminal took the brunt of the damage. What more could you want?
     
    I generally agree, and would like to add:


    I put myself in the police officer's shoes. Surely he knew this guy was known to carry guns. He was carrying a knife, plainly visible in his hand.

    I'd like to think it could have ended otherwise, but I probably would have shot the guy too.

    Most people here agree with that.

    But that doesn't mean his life doesn't have value. It doesn't mean his children, who were in the car, won't suffer.

    It can be both a legal and tragic shooting. Why argue with that? A man isn't his rap sheet. He's more. Thugs aren't thugs 24x7.

    If I were into Jesus I'd pray for everyone involved. I'd pray that he survives, for his children.

    Where's the compassion, commenters?

    Replies: @personfellowindividual, @DextersLabRat, @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @GeneralRipper, @Anonymous

    Where’s the compassion, commenters?

    As it happens, I have a great deal of compassion for those police officers who were put in a near-impossible position by a known criminal.

    I have no compassion whatever for a known criminal who, we now know beyond any doubt, was going for a weapon so he could do a number on those cops.

    He wasn’t reaching for a greeting card.

    Ask yourself: is there a difference between making an honest mistake that you didn’t mean and deliberately setting out to maim or kill other people?

    I think that is a reasonable question because Mr. Blake has made it clear he is in the latter category. And there are many more like him.

    There is compassion, and there is flat-out stupidity: conflate the two at your own risk.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    I have no compassion whatever for a known criminal who, we now know beyond any doubt, was going for a weapon so he could do a number on those cops.
     
    It doesn't cost anything against humility to have compassion for someone. Why withhold it? We should be able to condemn and punish bad behavior without turning the perp into a monster. I suggest that the ability to have compassion for wrongdoers is a prerequisite to the application of justice.

    He wasn’t reaching for a greeting card.
     
    I assume he was reaching for a gun and the natural consequence of that is the police will shoot you. Mr Blake is responsible. I feel badly for his children who will likely suffer long term detrimental effects. Maybe they'll grow up thinking police shoot innocent Black men. Without compassion, who can turn them from that wrong belief?

    Ask yourself: is there a difference between making an honest mistake that you didn’t mean and deliberately setting out to maim or kill other people?
     
    That's a stupid question, isn't it?

    There is compassion, and there is flat-out stupidity: conflate the two at your own risk.
     
    It would indeed be stupid to conflate compassion and stupidity. Lack of compassion, at the extreme, is anti-social or worse. Are you not even able to muster compassion foe Blake's children? Are you praying he'll die in the hospital? If so, you're lacking compassion for the poor policeman who fired the shots.
  279. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    Speaking as someone who did a fair amount of research involving police work, it's quite clear that Annonymous doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. His ignorance is only exceeded by the cocky assurance with which he pontificates on matters about which he is clueless. A classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    BTW, it is now manifest that the thug the policeman shot was, in fact, reaching for an illegal pistol which he'd stowed away in his car.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “it is now manifest that the thug the policeman shot was, in fact, reaching for an illegal pistol which he’d stowed away in his car.”

    I haven’t seen confirmation of that. Can you provide a source?

  280. @Dr. X
    @Anonymousse


    Says guy furiously typing at his desk.
     
    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think "might be reaching for a weapon" but didn't actually display one or else I'll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.

    Unlike the cops, who get a pass because "heroes" and shiny badge and all that.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    Typing at his desk with a loaded 9mm laying next to the computer, which I cannot use to shoot blacks who I think “might be reaching for a weapon” but didn’t actually display one or else I’ll go to prison for 2nd Degree Murder.

    Your reasonable fear and their reasonable fear are different because they are making an arrest, which provides a reason for the arrestee to use deadly force against them.

  281. @Anon
    @Anonymous


    I saw one report that said Blake was shot 8 times in the back. Is this true ? Even one shot in the back is too much if the person is not threatening
     
    Watch the video, the guy is absolutely threatening. The police have already been fighting with him before he heads to his car. He then looks like he is reaching for a gun between the seats.

    People who haven't lived around blacks haven't learned to read them. When they are walking slow and deliberate like this guy is in the video, STUFF is about to happen. When they are standing moving their weight side to side with arms straight down, STUFF is about to happen. This is not admissible in court, but cops see this daily and know what it means. These behaviors are so prevalent, its almost like blacks can't keep themselves from doing them.

    Go to World Star and watch a bunch of videos. You will see that same slow exaggerated walk over and over. Before a sucker punch (often on a white guy), before a stick up, before an altercation with police. Over and over and over. This guy was about to start STUFF.

    That behavior alone isn't reason enough to shoot somebody, but this cop knew at probably about 80% that he was going to die if he didn't stop this guy.

    If I were a cop, I would quit tomorrow.

    Replies: @bruce county

    People who haven’t lived around blacks haven’t learned to read them. When they are walking slow and deliberate like this guy is in the video, STUFF is about to happen. When they are standing moving their weight side to side with arms straight down, STUFF is about to happen.

    These same kind of posturing’s can be witnessed in the animal kingdom as well. Elephants ears flare out, sharks fins drop down, dogs haunches drop. And of course the ever timid American Pavement Ape brain goes blank, circuits shut down, hard drive goes into sleep mode and eyes roll back in it’s head. The human version of blue screen of death!! The walk, the head roll and arms down. All predatory signals that an attack is imminent.
    These kind of warnings should be on every cereal box for a persons morning read to prepare themselves for an outing in the concrete jungle.

  282. S says:
    @Jack D
    @S

    This is just wrong - slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor. In the Caribbean and S. America, once slavery was abolished they brought in free labor from India, China, even Japan and there are large communities in various countries to this day. But not from Africa.

    Replies: @S

    This is just wrong – slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor.

    Not according to Robert Walker or Eliza Andrews, people at the highest tiers of both Northern and Southern Civil War era Anglo-Saxon society respectively, as I’ve quoted from and linked to in this thread.

    According to Andrews, self deception played a major role for this on the South’s part, but, also, perhaps even more so, emotion.

    After two hundred plus years, chattel slavery had become entrenched in the South, economically, physically and emotionally.

    Eliza Andrews, whose father was one of the self described ‘priviliged 4000’ who ruled over the South, (ie those three thousand persons owning a hundred or more slaves, and one thousand ‘allied’ business owners) went into some length in the forward of her 1908 book how despite it being against financial logic, Southern slave owning elites and hangers on had shaped for themselves a happy and joyous society, one much like (for them) King Arthur’s court.

    The elites and hangers on of the South were happy..

    From the foreword of Andrews 1908 book linked to below.

    Narrow and provincial we may have been, in some respects, but take it all in all, it is doubtful whether the world has ever produced a state of society more rich in all the resources for a thoroughly wholesome, happy, and joyous life than existed among the privileged “4,000” under the peculiar civilization of the Old South.

    The North wishing to force wage slavery, ie so called ‘cheap labor’, (also known by the war era propaganda term ‘free labor’) upon the South, and the South resisting in the US Civil War, I liken to an argument between two drug addicts, one whom (the North with it’s history of slave dealing) is also a major drug dealer as well.

    Both addicts have long been addicted to the powerful financial drug of not paying the prevailing real time local costs of labor, to (generally) their own largely Anglo-Saxon people, and instead systematically stealing the value of their labor (ie the financial essence of slavery) from chattel slaves, that, and or also profiting from dealing the same, as in the case of the North.

    The one drug addict (the North) discovers a far more efficient and profitable way to obtain this stolen labor high with wage slavery acquired by way of the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, than being pushed globally by the British Empire. While it is indeed much more efficient and profitable at obtaining systematically stolen labor, and on the surface looks much ‘cleaner’, it also kills the society so addicted much more quickly. It is like a crack addict discovering the much more addictive and pure (though much more deadly) high of mainlining heroin.

    Meanwhile, the South was fat and happy with it’s old crack addiction of chattel slavery and didn’t wish to change, but the North would not have it, and used violence to force it’s way upon the South.

    In time, Southern slave owning elites likely would have went for wage slavery (so called ‘cheap labor’) on their own, much to their own people’s great detriment, provided they were guaranteed compensation for lost ‘property’.

    This is a very rough word picture, no question.

    My personal belief is that once violence became unavoidable in 1861, the guns should of been turned upon the chattel slave holders of the South, and the same corresponding ilk in the North, ie the promoters of mass immigration and the hirers on (exploiters) of the wage slave (‘cheap labor’) ‘immigrants’, and put a stop to both slavery systems simultaneously, a true abolition of slavery much unlike the fraudulent one which in reality took place.

    Society could of went on from there with full self determination for those desiring it.

    That’s the war that should of been fought, one which a non slaveholder and honorable man such as Robert E Lee could of led with gusto.

    https://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/andrews/andrews.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @S


    to force it’s way...

    likely would have went..

    Society could of went on...

    This is a very rough word picture, no question.


     

    No question, indeed!
  283. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    Appreciate the sentiment and the spirit, but it’s going to get worse for a good while before it gets better, and sea to shining sea dominion under people like us is not what I would bet on when we get to the other side.

  284. @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America.
     
    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.

    Say what you will about "Yankee" robber barons. Irishmen lined up for blocks to take the jobs they offered.

    And the Micks actually did the work, most of the time, anyway. If one didn't show up, he wasn't allowed back. What a concept!

    Being surly Irishmen, I suppose they did spit in the food now and then. In that respect, they were no different from your Africans.

    What is it about race realism than angers Southerners so?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @GeneralRipper

    And the Micks actually did the work,

    Doing the work, Reg. That’s what it’s all about.

  285. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.
     
    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn't an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem - jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.
     
    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.
     
    Professional wrestling is no faker than "Negro labour", which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich
     
    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @GeneralRipper, @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    I would love for Jeff Davis to have met Tariq Nasheed.

  286. @Buzz Mohawk
    @anon

    You people make me laugh. We have the best strategic location on Earth, and you are so willing, from your dorm rooms or basements or nerdy whatevers to chop it all up into whatever "walled city states" and so forth that you remember from your favorite history books.

    Nonsense. This entire continent, "from sea to shining sea," belongs to us. Don't divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Do you have any idea of the natural resources alone that we possess here? Just that is enough to justify my comment.

    Replies: @Jake, @JMcG, @Perry Mason, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    Nonsense. This entire continent, “from sea to shining sea,” belongs to us. Don’t divide it or give any of it away. Die first. It is too good to sacrifice.

    Buzz, i’m a few years younger than you, but i miss it too. I remember the world i was growing up in the 60s and it was damn nice.

    Your sentiments tug at the heart strings, but my head says “if it stays in one piece … it’s gone”. However most of the problem is with our traitorous minoritarian “elites”, who simply have no loyalty to the American people, no honor.

    Let’s just take the hit. Kick the minoritarians loose–all their minority pets who think they are oppressed, all their BLM fellow traveler whites. We’ll have the vast majority of the land and an explicit ideology of being part of Western Christian civilization, majoritarianism and republicanism. The break-up reinforcing the point, but we can explicitly name and ban minoritarianism and elite diktat in the Constitution and enshrine it our civic culture.

    We can cling to the glorious past, or we can at least try and craft a viable future for our children, our posterity.

    I’ve learned to accept that i’m not 22–or even 44!–anymore. I can accept that the great Western-civ America that once was is no more.

  287. @ben tillman
    @DextersLabRat


    This begs the question: how productive were black slaves actually? How much of Southern wealth was due to the cotton exported as a result of the labour vs the value of only owning the slaves themselves as if they were a commodity?
     
    Those are the same thing. The value of ownership is a product of the value of the labor.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    Unless the whole thing was a scam, like diamonds.

  288. @Buzz Mohawk
    @shoot

    I ran your comment through Google Translate, but it came out the same, so I don't quite know what you are saying, but thank you nonetheless.

    I mean this with good spirits and in humility. Thank you for your reply. Someone recently commented that few read my comments, but I always find new names like yours in reply. In fact, even that commenter had a name I had never seen before, and HE read my comment, so logically his claim is untrue.

    I still don't exactly know what you are saying, though.

    Replies: @shoot

    Locus of control, locus of country conceptions where one was conceived-born (or conceived oneself reborn), locusts eatin’ lunches, & Pink Floyd worms eatin’ gray matters not, cuz like ol’ Josie Wales said, “Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.”

    Too bad, but not really, there’s no reverse Flesch-Kincaid, with a rheostat dial, & with an enhanced scope covering allusion-pictures worth thousands of words. Something that could eventuate along the lines of “I know Kung Fu!” (Neo, The Matrix).

    Even so, a clever one would hear the ironical sharp version of “Proud To Be An American” muzak soundtracking my elevator pitch-perfect on elevator identities.

    Too clever might then overplay.

    But I can appreciate Goog’s inability to parse. Thanks for looking into that.

    Above was responsive what popped into my inbox, which was just your 1st sentence, which, so truncated, seemed snark (or counter-snark).

    Toning it down, due the rest of what you wrote…

    Nothing (& not just in this blog which I’ve only dropped into a few times) surprises me, either. How could it, what with all the jaded flints lodged in my back-to-front sides? It’s an asylum, Ratched hasn’t had me lobotomized yet, & the big injun Bromden hasn’t mercy smothered me with a pillow yet. Maybe that surprises me, a little, but the fickle finger of fate flies up noses on its own schedule.

    Country has thee. Not the other way round.

    “Brooks was here.” Institutionalized man, internalized prison is *my* prison, defense mech comfort zone, hanged if you do & hanged if you don’t (inside that matrix), that crazed Irish character in Braveheart: Ireland was his island.

    Sure it was, Mr. Potatofaminehead. Better was the less seamless rationalization antidepressant in The Commitments: Jimmy Rabbitte:

    “The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once and say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.”

    Correct: no one else on earth does, either.

    Get busy livin’ in the light, or get busy dyin’ fighting in the shade (I could give AF if Xerxes transited the hot gates a few days sooner or later… martyr to illusion wore out its welcome here 50 years ago).

    What’s to care about that which you care about? What’s the point in caring about people caring for illusions rather than reality?

    Nothing. (Cartetaking wore out, got discarded along the backtrail, too. Learning is very much a process of elimination.)

    Because it’s beyond me. Has, can have, nothing to do with me.

    It’s an asylum. And there’s about as much cure for crazy as there is for stupid.

    Thumb-plugging Hoover Dam & tilting at windmills & laying down with Lilliputions & gussying up the terrible decision to be besieged at Masada is what’s FUBAR. Except that it isn’t unrecognizable at all.

    (Asylum also works angular it being David Geffen’s Orwellian label. He of the standard billionaire boys club. That, seems to me, isn’t all that allusory. But if it is, look around for scuttle of went down between him & the Eagles/Don Henley, for one example. The b that precedes bbb is black hole.)

    Giving up on illusions isn’t giving up despite illusionists contending otherwise.

    The compulsive motivation to corral all within that small frame is understood. That’s Donne’s clod of the continent stuff. Apologetics & rationalization. Fear.

    Fact is every wo/man is an island. Including even the manymost who are scared shiteless at that prospect & will never ever have anything to do with being what they are, with reality, & so off the shelf identities are kept costco stocked.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @shoot

    Thank you for sharing some of your new manuscript with me, Jack.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/a1/d4/aaa1d469c66ae5a365bfbbac41f0a9eb.jpg

    Just like your old one, it comes off the roll like toilet paper.

    I used to see your old friend Alan Ginzburg in a Safeway supermarket buying groceries. One time he had a boy with him. (It's true. He lived in my town. One time he eyed me lustfully, for I was an attractive young man then.)

    Words that shout fake individualism will not feed you. Even Alan knew that. Like him, you have to be part of something in order to eat.

    Replies: @shoot

  289. @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Well Reg, it would be interesting to hear your Yankee ancestors reasons for importing Africans to America.
     
    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.

    Say what you will about "Yankee" robber barons. Irishmen lined up for blocks to take the jobs they offered.

    And the Micks actually did the work, most of the time, anyway. If one didn't show up, he wasn't allowed back. What a concept!

    Being surly Irishmen, I suppose they did spit in the food now and then. In that respect, they were no different from your Africans.

    What is it about race realism than angers Southerners so?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @GeneralRipper

    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.

    Sorry Reg, wrong again.

    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant’s Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln’s anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves.

    http://slavenorth.com/index.html

    Back to the drawing board, boss…lol

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Back to the drawing board, boss…lol
     
    They had no trouble divesting themselves once the uselessness of this so-called labor became evident. It only "worked" in the lowlands, whether in the Delaware Valley or in the Caloosahatchee.

    New York was done with even vestigial slavery-- i.e., forcing the unfit-to-work to pretend to work-- by 1824. The free states were the white states, 98% white by 1860. (The remainder wasn't necessarily black, either.) The African blood quantum of South Carolina was over thirty times that of New York's.


    ...that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies.
     
    People taught in public schools, that mad creation pushed by Horace Mann and Thomas Jefferson. Not only does any Yankee genealogist know of that handful of slaves on his ancestors' postage-stamp "estates", he still has copies of the paperwork.

    More typical of northerners' short(er)-lived folly with African "labor" is the story of my own ancestor, Thomas Mumford. His first wife had one of these recalcitrant beasts whipped for refusing to do an unnatural act. Thomas came to discover that the fellow had returned and murdered her. Then run off and drowned himself.

    The family learned their lesson and got out of the (in Sam Francis's phrase) garbage-of-Africa business forthwith.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    , @S
    @GeneralRipper


    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies.
     
    Great quote from a great website. Yes, chattel slavery and it's trade was endemic to the whole of British North America, with some division of labor in the sordid business, the North being more centered upon slave dealing, the South more centered upon the consuming (purchasing) of slaves.

    Chattel slavery and its trade set a horrible template in place which is still in place even now with the elites and hangers on of the United States, now with their wage slaves, the so called 'cheap labor' 'immigrants', ie anything, but anything, than pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor, that or providing the same as a service, all more often than not at their own people's great expense.
  290. The US is balkanising because it’s not a real country. It is no longer populated for the most part by the people it was founded by, which is WASPs. In fact most Americans hate WASPs which is quite evident from the posts on this blog in itself.

  291. @Muggles
    @Driveby Commenter

    I love it when Europeans (I think) comment here about how brutal the US cops are. LOL.

    They love to lecture Americans but now look at Sweden. Very few non whites but huge areas are now "no go" areas dangerous to decent people. And those "migrants" are armed, unlike normal Swedes. They are violent too.

    These Euro lecturers fail to mention the buses full of local/national riot police sitting around in their large cities, with helmets, huge clubs, tear gas, etc. just ready to pounce on unarmed rioters in their own countries. And they don't face violent felons who are let loose willy nilly by leftist judges and DAs. Felons who carry firearms (here). Now a few are starting to face similar say, in Belgium.

    Americans aren't Euro sheeple. Of course we haven't been rolled over by violent dictators or imperial autocrats for centuries. So things are a bit more dangerous for cops.

    Here's a thought: read the online Nigerian or S. African media about how they treat local armed criminals. Lots of killings and beatings there. Kenya, etc. More "illegal" guns in those places than in say, Denmark. Very few African cops face any punishment for doing much worse. Why? They are always dealing with "unruly" and criminal Africans. Or just talk to some fellow Euro who has lived in African for a few years. And not in some diplomatic compound.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Driveby Commenter

    So US police are less violent than police in African countries? I never doubted it.

    You could set the bar a lot higher without any risk of becoming like our UK police.

  292. @S
    @Jack D


    This is just wrong – slave labor was the cheapest or the Southerners themselves would have used free labor.
     
    Not according to Robert Walker or Eliza Andrews, people at the highest tiers of both Northern and Southern Civil War era Anglo-Saxon society respectively, as I've quoted from and linked to in this thread.

    According to Andrews, self deception played a major role for this on the South's part, but, also, perhaps even more so, emotion.

    After two hundred plus years, chattel slavery had become entrenched in the South, economically, physically and emotionally.

    Eliza Andrews, whose father was one of the self described 'priviliged 4000' who ruled over the South, (ie those three thousand persons owning a hundred or more slaves, and one thousand 'allied' business owners) went into some length in the forward of her 1908 book how despite it being against financial logic, Southern slave owning elites and hangers on had shaped for themselves a happy and joyous society, one much like (for them) King Arthur's court.

    The elites and hangers on of the South were happy..

    From the foreword of Andrews 1908 book linked to below.


    Narrow and provincial we may have been, in some respects, but take it all in all, it is doubtful whether the world has ever produced a state of society more rich in all the resources for a thoroughly wholesome, happy, and joyous life than existed among the privileged "4,000" under the peculiar civilization of the Old South.
     
    The North wishing to force wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor', (also known by the war era propaganda term 'free labor') upon the South, and the South resisting in the US Civil War, I liken to an argument between two drug addicts, one whom (the North with it's history of slave dealing) is also a major drug dealer as well.

    Both addicts have long been addicted to the powerful financial drug of not paying the prevailing real time local costs of labor, to (generally) their own largely Anglo-Saxon people, and instead systematically stealing the value of their labor (ie the financial essence of slavery) from chattel slaves, that, and or also profiting from dealing the same, as in the case of the North.

    The one drug addict (the North) discovers a far more efficient and profitable way to obtain this stolen labor high with wage slavery acquired by way of the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, than being pushed globally by the British Empire. While it is indeed much more efficient and profitable at obtaining systematically stolen labor, and on the surface looks much 'cleaner', it also kills the society so addicted much more quickly. It is like a crack addict discovering the much more addictive and pure (though much more deadly) high of mainlining heroin.

    Meanwhile, the South was fat and happy with it's old crack addiction of chattel slavery and didn't wish to change, but the North would not have it, and used violence to force it's way upon the South.

    In time, Southern slave owning elites likely would have went for wage slavery (so called 'cheap labor') on their own, much to their own people's great detriment, provided they were guaranteed compensation for lost 'property'.

    This is a very rough word picture, no question.

    My personal belief is that once violence became unavoidable in 1861, the guns should of been turned upon the chattel slave holders of the South, and the same corresponding ilk in the North, ie the promoters of mass immigration and the hirers on (exploiters) of the wage slave ('cheap labor') 'immigrants', and put a stop to both slavery systems simultaneously, a true abolition of slavery much unlike the fraudulent one which in reality took place.

    Society could of went on from there with full self determination for those desiring it.

    That's the war that should of been fought, one which a non slaveholder and honorable man such as Robert E Lee could of led with gusto.


    https://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/andrews/andrews.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    to force it’s way…

    likely would have went..

    Society could of went on…

    This is a very rough word picture, no question.

    No question, indeed!

  293. @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar


    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.
     
    Sorry Reg, wrong again.

    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln's anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves.


     

    http://slavenorth.com/index.html

    Back to the drawing board, boss...lol

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S

    Back to the drawing board, boss…lol

    They had no trouble divesting themselves once the uselessness of this so-called labor became evident. It only “worked” in the lowlands, whether in the Delaware Valley or in the Caloosahatchee.

    New York was done with even vestigial slavery– i.e., forcing the unfit-to-work to pretend to work– by 1824. The free states were the white states, 98% white by 1860. (The remainder wasn’t necessarily black, either.) The African blood quantum of South Carolina was over thirty times that of New York’s.

    …that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies.

    People taught in public schools, that mad creation pushed by Horace Mann and Thomas Jefferson. Not only does any Yankee genealogist know of that handful of slaves on his ancestors’ postage-stamp “estates”, he still has copies of the paperwork.

    More typical of northerners’ short(er)-lived folly with African “labor” is the story of my own ancestor, Thomas Mumford. His first wife had one of these recalcitrant beasts whipped for refusing to do an unnatural act. Thomas came to discover that the fellow had returned and murdered her. Then run off and drowned himself.

    The family learned their lesson and got out of the (in Sam Francis’s phrase) garbage-of-Africa business forthwith.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's a very eloquent, but ultimately just a long winded dodge, Reg.

    The fact is that your Yankee ancestors were the first Americans to import and to both buy and sell African slaves. And of course, they were also the first to legalize it here as well. Granted it was a a small amount compared to the numbers in the South, but that had much more to do with the length of the growing season, than any "moral" considerations.

    You folks thought that after Mr Lincoln's war you could put that nasty business behind you and blame it all on Southerners. I'm afraid you're mistaken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  294. @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar


    To make a fast buck from suckers born every minute. They were cynical enough to sell them, not stupid enough to buy them. There was work to be done.
     
    Sorry Reg, wrong again.

    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln's anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves.


     

    http://slavenorth.com/index.html

    Back to the drawing board, boss...lol

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @S

    African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies.

    Great quote from a great website. Yes, chattel slavery and it’s trade was endemic to the whole of British North America, with some division of labor in the sordid business, the North being more centered upon slave dealing, the South more centered upon the consuming (purchasing) of slaves.

    Chattel slavery and its trade set a horrible template in place which is still in place even now with the elites and hangers on of the United States, now with their wage slaves, the so called ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’, ie anything, but anything, than pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor, that or providing the same as a service, all more often than not at their own people’s great expense.

  295. @wren
    @Driveby Commenter

    Hi Driveby Commenter,

    I can't speak for other commenters here, but I can speak for myself.

    First, here is the officer involved:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L4vV1JyH/5d59a4e5e1a86-image.jpg

    Here's an interview with him where he describes his cool bike:

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/snapshot-bike-cop-serves-community-through-enforcement-public-relations/article_d435f80c-a144-5fd0-9703-8b763de9b589.html

    Here is Jacob Blakes's arrest record:

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.08/original/5f43b61f203027039a3189aa.jpg

    It appears that there was an active warrant out for his arrest. This was for third degree sexual assault.

    From what I understand, and it may not all be correct:

    He fought with the police prior to his being shot, but he got free.

    He was ordered to drop the knife he was holding, but didn't.

    He was tased, but it was not effective in subduing him.

    He refused to stop moving and instead opened his car door.

    There was a gun in the car.

    Were I that police officer, in that position, I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

    Can you honestly say that you absolutely wouldn't have?

    Had Mr. Blake stopped resisting, at any time, he wouldn't have been shot, but he would have been arrested. Possibly for his sexual assault warrant or possibly for whatever reason the police were called to that location for in the first place.

    Some of what I have read may not be correct. Time will tell.

    Replies: @Jake, @Anon, @Jack Armstrong, @J1234, @Driveby Commenter

    Thanks for the courteous and rational tone of your comment.

    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward – that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But – seven shots loosed off in one volley?

    An attempted execution for “refusing to stop moving” because there was a chance he might offer deadly force? In any reasonable jurisdiction – not just pussified Britain – an officer would need to be certain to get away with that. Did the officer know there was a gun in the car? Nobody else seems to be sure.

    But I’m sincerely hoping for more evidence to come out that shows this isn’t what it looks like.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Driveby Commenter


    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward – that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But – seven shots loosed off in one volley?
     
    You don't know anything about guns, do you? It's okay - most people don't. That's why ignorant statements (in this case, framed as a question) like "seven shots in one volley" abound. But you should know it shows your ignorance of the topic.

    In case you're wondering, the TL;DR answer is yes - seven shots in one volley is not just completely normal (insofar as shooting someone can be called normal), it falls within the bounds of standard practice (for good reason). Despite what one sees in every Hollywood action movie, handgun rounds just aren't very powerful.

    , @Anonymous
    @Driveby Commenter



    In any reasonable jurisdiction – not just pussified Britain – an officer would need to be certain to get away with that.
     
    Can you please explain why you think that the police officers should have given a known criminal like Mr. Blake, who had pulled a gun before and been convicted of doing so, the benefit of the doubt?
  296. @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Back to the drawing board, boss…lol
     
    They had no trouble divesting themselves once the uselessness of this so-called labor became evident. It only "worked" in the lowlands, whether in the Delaware Valley or in the Caloosahatchee.

    New York was done with even vestigial slavery-- i.e., forcing the unfit-to-work to pretend to work-- by 1824. The free states were the white states, 98% white by 1860. (The remainder wasn't necessarily black, either.) The African blood quantum of South Carolina was over thirty times that of New York's.


    ...that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies.
     
    People taught in public schools, that mad creation pushed by Horace Mann and Thomas Jefferson. Not only does any Yankee genealogist know of that handful of slaves on his ancestors' postage-stamp "estates", he still has copies of the paperwork.

    More typical of northerners' short(er)-lived folly with African "labor" is the story of my own ancestor, Thomas Mumford. His first wife had one of these recalcitrant beasts whipped for refusing to do an unnatural act. Thomas came to discover that the fellow had returned and murdered her. Then run off and drowned himself.

    The family learned their lesson and got out of the (in Sam Francis's phrase) garbage-of-Africa business forthwith.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    That’s a very eloquent, but ultimately just a long winded dodge, Reg.

    The fact is that your Yankee ancestors were the first Americans to import and to both buy and sell African slaves. And of course, they were also the first to legalize it here as well. Granted it was a a small amount compared to the numbers in the South, but that had much more to do with the length of the growing season, than any “moral” considerations.

    You folks thought that after Mr Lincoln’s war you could put that nasty business behind you and blame it all on Southerners. I’m afraid you’re mistaken.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Granted it was a a small amount compared to the numbers in the South, but that had much more to do with the length of the growing season...
     
    They determined rather quickly the uselessness of Africans. What good is a hungry population that doesn't work, but does rape and kill? Why did it take Southerners so long to learn this obvious fact?

    The CSA itself exempted colored from the draft-- before the Union did-- the biggest back-stabbing in our history. They should have been on the front lines, a human wave. But no, white boys were judged to be the expendable ones.

    ...than any “moral” considerations.
     
    Who said "moral"? It's simple reason. The preaching first came from Brits and Quakers, later picked up by those whose brains were crippled by Calvin's nonsense.
  297. @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    Cuckservatives are always talking about the Dems of today like they’re the Dems from 150 years ago.
     
    They are. Both celebrate racial diversity. Read this and tell me Jeff Davis wasn't an incurable bleeding heart:

    Jefferson Davis, the Negroes and the Negro Problem - jstor pdf

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    If they were, I’d be voting Democrat with a smile on my face.
     
    Because you celebrate diversity.

    It’s like believing pro wrestling is real.
     
    Professional wrestling is no faker than "Negro labour", which diversitarians have been claiming exists for 400 years.

    the whole rotten kosher sandwich
     
    Are you ready to include the Epperson decision in that sandwich? That was the successful sequel to the Scopes trial, when Jews insisted we were all apes. And should teach our children thus.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat, @GeneralRipper, @Jane Plain, @Svigor

    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis’s men accomplished that in one fell swoop.

    You actually believe that shit? “Honest Abe” is a reverse nickname, like calling a fat guy “tiny.” He was a lawyer for the railroads, for God’s sake. He would give a speech out of one side of his mouth on Saturday and then give one out of the other side of his mouth in the next town over. He had no intentions of removing blacks from US territory. He said that in speeches to con the rubes who wanted to hear that into voting for him.

    The yankees had no intention of removing blacks. They just said that to get support for their war, votes, etc. Which explains why they never lifted a finger in that direction. What’s funny is how they seemed not to have anticipated the great migration of blacks into the north. I dunno what they were thinking there; maybe they really were so dumb that they thought they could contain the plague they were unleashing…

    If yankees wanted to repatriate blacks, they could have just bought them all and shipped them back for far cheaper than the cost of waging their elective war against the south. With half a million to a million fewer Whites killed, to boot. No, they wanted their battered wife back. The rest was just propaganda.

    As for the Democrats, after the war they were the KKK who fought the “Reconstructionist” GOP and their black janissaries. After they won, they created segregation over yankee-judean opposition.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Svigor


    He had no intentions of removing blacks from US territory. He said that in speeches to con the rubes who wanted to hear that...
     
    The operative words.

    No, they wanted their battered wife back.
     
    Funny, the raids on Boston during the Fillmore and Pierce administrations had that city's denizens persuaded they were the battered wife.

    maybe they really were so dumb that they thought they could contain the plague they were unleashing…
     
    Why was the plague even leashed here? What good was it doing? It belonged on its native continent, like the Wuhan strain.
  298. @Driveby Commenter
    @wren

    Thanks for the courteous and rational tone of your comment.

    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward - that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But - seven shots loosed off in one volley?

    An attempted execution for "refusing to stop moving" because there was a chance he might offer deadly force? In any reasonable jurisdiction - not just pussified Britain - an officer would need to be certain to get away with that. Did the officer know there was a gun in the car? Nobody else seems to be sure.

    But I'm sincerely hoping for more evidence to come out that shows this isn't what it looks like.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Anonymous

    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward – that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But – seven shots loosed off in one volley?

    You don’t know anything about guns, do you? It’s okay – most people don’t. That’s why ignorant statements (in this case, framed as a question) like “seven shots in one volley” abound. But you should know it shows your ignorance of the topic.

    In case you’re wondering, the TL;DR answer is yes – seven shots in one volley is not just completely normal (insofar as shooting someone can be called normal), it falls within the bounds of standard practice (for good reason). Despite what one sees in every Hollywood action movie, handgun rounds just aren’t very powerful.

  299. @Alden
    @Jane Plain

    The convicts did just fine. Wild Fire fighting needs a lot of bodies who obey orders and work in trans. Lots of simple jobs like clearing brush for fire breaks throwing up berms driving trucks. .

    The convicts were carefully selected. They were the cream of the crop. Living in a fire fighting camp was a reward for good behavior, reasonable intelligence and ability to work well with others. They had been in prison for a while under observation for these qualities.

    Once at the fire fighting camp they were trained every day That’s what they did, not wandering around all day. They’re honor camps, they could have left easily. They aren’t supposed to have pets but they do.

    The convicts loved living in the fire camps. Gave them a chance to be real men and do a macho job. Better food too. They did a lot of building and maintenance in the camps too. They cleared the fire breaks on the sides of the roads and high Ways. Maintained the dirt fire roads in the forests They’re paid the standard rate they’re paid for prison work.

    A good deal all around.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Thank you. Firefighting is man’s work and it probably suits guys with three Y chromosomes, LOL.

    It warms my hard, conservative heart to know that some convicts are salvageable.

    I read about something similar with respect to flooding of the Mississippi. Convicts helped fortify the levees and they reported feeling good about doing good.

  300. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hell, I believe in shooting looters and arsonists and anyone else who looks like they are doing that sort of thing. It is an old military law, and it is a good one.

    Simple force like that would stop this nonsense in a day.

    BTW I love Steve's little story about Dozer the Dog. We need more Dozers. I have one, and I feel that much more secure.

    Replies: @utu, @petit bourgeois

    Speaking of which, where are the fire hoses and German Shepherds of yore as an effective means of crowd control?

    Tear gas, capsaicin spray, flash bangs and billy clubs are all fine and good, but I want Fido gnawing on these degenerates and the fire hoses keeping these commie anarchists at bay.

  301. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Police dogs just like their handlers are often confused whom to attack and attack blindly. This should not be surprising as they were trained by poorly trained cops.


    A Texas police dog serving an arrest warrant with officers Friday at a Waco, Texas, home suddenly turned and bit his handler, forcing another officer to fatally shoot the dog
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/nationworld/national/article219669170.html#storylink=cpy
     

    Kansas sheriff’s K-9 to be euthanized after ‘brutal and unprovoked’ attack on handler
    https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article244110577.html
     

    K-9 reassigned after biting Anne Arundel deputy sheriff’s girlfriend
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/politics/ac-cn-deputy-k9-bites-20200113-20200113-paf2lxu4zrag5a3fhz4coltp7m-story.html
     

    K-9 bites owner twice, suffers from PTSD after being on police force
    https://turnto10.com/news/local/k-9-bites-owner-twice-suffering-from-ptsd-after-being-on-police-force
     

    Police and domestic dog bite injuries: What are the differences? What are the implications about police dog use?

    Police dog bite victims were usually bitten multiple times, whilst domestic bite victims were not. Police dog bite victims were bitten more often in the head, neck, chest and flank. They were hospitalised more often, underwent more operations and had more invasive diagnostic tests.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1572346106000596
     

    And like their handlers the police dogs are protected by law to ridiculous extent.

    Man who shot police dog Jethro gets 45 years in prison
    https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20160824/man-who-shot-police-dog-jethro-gets-45-years-in-prison
     

    Replies: @fnn, @Hibernian, @AceDeuce, @petit bourgeois

    My dad was a cop and the German Shepherd police dogs used to come from Germany already trained to take commands in German back in the 80’s. I have no idea of how they train them now, but the far left Jew lawyer I work for says they have no legitimate purpose in law enforcement.

    After half dozen federal lawsuis involving police dogs in my office, I disagree with that proposition. It’s when the dogs are used to maul compliant civilians as a punitive measure by bad cops–that is the problem.

    We got one of the puppies from the handler because my dad’s colleague was a K-9, so they are allowed to breed them, since they take the dog home every night to the wife and kids.

    The dog was extremely loyal, and when I brought my black friend over, the dog seemed to be genetically predisposed to being aggressive towards dark skin. Dogs are unable to become “woke.”

    While people may assert they have no legitimate purpose, situations like Kenosha (home of craftsman and snap-on tools, God bless), provide an example of why we need effective crowd control right now.

    • Replies: @utu
    @petit bourgeois

    "the dog seemed to be genetically predisposed to being aggressive towards dark skin" - This opinion alone disqualifies you from talking about dogs with any authority. Dogs are the most pliable and programmable animals in animal kingdom when in human environment. While some are faster and some have better sense of smell and some swim better and some have better herding instinct all of them can be trained to do the same task though obviously with different outcome and efficacy. An identical clone of your dog if raised in black family could show distrust and be hesitant about white people just like many dogs show fear-aggression towards people dressed differently like for instance priests in cassocks or invalids with crutches or homeless. And when the smell of cloth is taken out of equation in their world of perception they may end up showing aggression towards their owners when naked straight from shower or a swim.

  302. @shoot
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Locus of control, locus of country conceptions where one was conceived-born (or conceived oneself reborn), locusts eatin’ lunches, & Pink Floyd worms eatin’ gray matters not, cuz like ol’ Josie Wales said, “Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.”

    Too bad, but not really, there’s no reverse Flesch-Kincaid, with a rheostat dial, & with an enhanced scope covering allusion-pictures worth thousands of words. Something that could eventuate along the lines of “I know Kung Fu!” (Neo, The Matrix).

    Even so, a clever one would hear the ironical sharp version of “Proud To Be An American” muzak soundtracking my elevator pitch-perfect on elevator identities.

    Too clever might then overplay.

    But I can appreciate Goog’s inability to parse. Thanks for looking into that.

    Above was responsive what popped into my inbox, which was just your 1st sentence, which, so truncated, seemed snark (or counter-snark).

    Toning it down, due the rest of what you wrote...

    Nothing (& not just in this blog which I’ve only dropped into a few times) surprises me, either. How could it, what with all the jaded flints lodged in my back-to-front sides? It’s an asylum, Ratched hasn’t had me lobotomized yet, & the big injun Bromden hasn’t mercy smothered me with a pillow yet. Maybe that surprises me, a little, but the fickle finger of fate flies up noses on its own schedule.

    Country has thee. Not the other way round.

    “Brooks was here.” Institutionalized man, internalized prison is *my* prison, defense mech comfort zone, hanged if you do & hanged if you don’t (inside that matrix), that crazed Irish character in Braveheart: Ireland was his island.

    Sure it was, Mr. Potatofaminehead. Better was the less seamless rationalization antidepressant in The Commitments: Jimmy Rabbitte:

    "The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once and say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud."

    Correct: no one else on earth does, either.

    Get busy livin’ in the light, or get busy dyin’ fighting in the shade (I could give AF if Xerxes transited the hot gates a few days sooner or later... martyr to illusion wore out its welcome here 50 years ago).

    What’s to care about that which you care about? What’s the point in caring about people caring for illusions rather than reality?

    Nothing. (Cartetaking wore out, got discarded along the backtrail, too. Learning is very much a process of elimination.)

    Because it’s beyond me. Has, can have, nothing to do with me.

    It’s an asylum. And there’s about as much cure for crazy as there is for stupid.

    Thumb-plugging Hoover Dam & tilting at windmills & laying down with Lilliputions & gussying up the terrible decision to be besieged at Masada is what’s FUBAR. Except that it isn’t unrecognizable at all.

    (Asylum also works angular it being David Geffen’s Orwellian label. He of the standard billionaire boys club. That, seems to me, isn’t all that allusory. But if it is, look around for scuttle of went down between him & the Eagles/Don Henley, for one example. The b that precedes bbb is black hole.)

    Giving up on illusions isn’t giving up despite illusionists contending otherwise.

    The compulsive motivation to corral all within that small frame is understood. That’s Donne’s clod of the continent stuff. Apologetics & rationalization. Fear.

    Fact is every wo/man is an island. Including even the manymost who are scared shiteless at that prospect & will never ever have anything to do with being what they are, with reality, & so off the shelf identities are kept costco stocked.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Thank you for sharing some of your new manuscript with me, Jack.

    Just like your old one, it comes off the roll like toilet paper.

    I used to see your old friend Alan Ginzburg in a Safeway supermarket buying groceries. One time he had a boy with him. (It’s true. He lived in my town. One time he eyed me lustfully, for I was an attractive young man then.)

    Words that shout fake individualism will not feed you. Even Alan knew that. Like him, you have to be part of something in order to eat.

    • Replies: @shoot
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “You don’t work, you don’t eat,” people used to say, when I was a kid. I’ve never gone hungry.

    Did have some difficulty finding TP to buy, recently. All those genuine via cowardice non-individualists & participles of something small, smaller, smallest types emptied the shelves one night. Have you ever seen The Ox Bow Incident? Nothing smaller than gangsters congealed. Goes double, at least, for TP gangsters.

    Making something part of me, not the other way round, means I wouldn’t starve even if all the stores closed. Or the Spartans (long gone) & the Persians (ditto, all practical accountings) squared off again. Yet again. Dumb fooks.

    But carting the horse & insisting that it push, is goofy, & common – more ubiquitous than TP before a “pandemic.” Does that surprise you? Me either.

    I had one of those Ginsberg moments when I was a boy, too. But when no-friend-of-mine saw presentation of what I had in my hands change, he did too, desisted right quick.

    As for Kerouac, if that’s “Jack,” sounds to me like he believed his own bs, got himself beat to death thereby -- or coup de grace the least after a long haul of self-destructiveness -- at the hands of the lives that some say matter most these days. Dumb fook.

    Skiing the fall line is counter-intuitive (to newbies). So is much else. But wo/mans’ intuition’s got many by the short hairs. You’d think those folks’d be as Brazilian waxed soon or late, but seems those follicles connect in Gulliver-wraps at their spines. Nothing to be done for, about, it.

  303. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Driveby Commenter
    @wren

    Thanks for the courteous and rational tone of your comment.

    I genuinely want to believe all the excuses that commenters here are putting forward - that this was a reasonable response to a dangerous man, not a loss of control by a panic-stricken officer. But - seven shots loosed off in one volley?

    An attempted execution for "refusing to stop moving" because there was a chance he might offer deadly force? In any reasonable jurisdiction - not just pussified Britain - an officer would need to be certain to get away with that. Did the officer know there was a gun in the car? Nobody else seems to be sure.

    But I'm sincerely hoping for more evidence to come out that shows this isn't what it looks like.

    Replies: @Svigor, @Anonymous

    In any reasonable jurisdiction – not just pussified Britain – an officer would need to be certain to get away with that.

    Can you please explain why you think that the police officers should have given a known criminal like Mr. Blake, who had pulled a gun before and been convicted of doing so, the benefit of the doubt?

  304. @Anonymous
    @botazefa



    Where’s the compassion, commenters?
     
    As it happens, I have a great deal of compassion for those police officers who were put in a near-impossible position by a known criminal.

    I have no compassion whatever for a known criminal who, we now know beyond any doubt, was going for a weapon so he could do a number on those cops.

    He wasn't reaching for a greeting card.

    Ask yourself: is there a difference between making an honest mistake that you didn't mean and deliberately setting out to maim or kill other people?

    I think that is a reasonable question because Mr. Blake has made it clear he is in the latter category. And there are many more like him.

    There is compassion, and there is flat-out stupidity: conflate the two at your own risk.

    Replies: @botazefa

    I have no compassion whatever for a known criminal who, we now know beyond any doubt, was going for a weapon so he could do a number on those cops.

    It doesn’t cost anything against humility to have compassion for someone. Why withhold it? We should be able to condemn and punish bad behavior without turning the perp into a monster. I suggest that the ability to have compassion for wrongdoers is a prerequisite to the application of justice.

    He wasn’t reaching for a greeting card.

    I assume he was reaching for a gun and the natural consequence of that is the police will shoot you. Mr Blake is responsible. I feel badly for his children who will likely suffer long term detrimental effects. Maybe they’ll grow up thinking police shoot innocent Black men. Without compassion, who can turn them from that wrong belief?

    Ask yourself: is there a difference between making an honest mistake that you didn’t mean and deliberately setting out to maim or kill other people?

    That’s a stupid question, isn’t it?

    There is compassion, and there is flat-out stupidity: conflate the two at your own risk.

    It would indeed be stupid to conflate compassion and stupidity. Lack of compassion, at the extreme, is anti-social or worse. Are you not even able to muster compassion foe Blake’s children? Are you praying he’ll die in the hospital? If so, you’re lacking compassion for the poor policeman who fired the shots.

  305. @Buzz Mohawk
    @shoot

    Thank you for sharing some of your new manuscript with me, Jack.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/a1/d4/aaa1d469c66ae5a365bfbbac41f0a9eb.jpg

    Just like your old one, it comes off the roll like toilet paper.

    I used to see your old friend Alan Ginzburg in a Safeway supermarket buying groceries. One time he had a boy with him. (It's true. He lived in my town. One time he eyed me lustfully, for I was an attractive young man then.)

    Words that shout fake individualism will not feed you. Even Alan knew that. Like him, you have to be part of something in order to eat.

    Replies: @shoot

    “You don’t work, you don’t eat,” people used to say, when I was a kid. I’ve never gone hungry.

    Did have some difficulty finding TP to buy, recently. All those genuine via cowardice non-individualists & participles of something small, smaller, smallest types emptied the shelves one night. Have you ever seen The Ox Bow Incident? Nothing smaller than gangsters congealed. Goes double, at least, for TP gangsters.

    Making something part of me, not the other way round, means I wouldn’t starve even if all the stores closed. Or the Spartans (long gone) & the Persians (ditto, all practical accountings) squared off again. Yet again. Dumb fooks.

    But carting the horse & insisting that it push, is goofy, & common – more ubiquitous than TP before a “pandemic.” Does that surprise you? Me either.

    I had one of those Ginsberg moments when I was a boy, too. But when no-friend-of-mine saw presentation of what I had in my hands change, he did too, desisted right quick.

    As for Kerouac, if that’s “Jack,” sounds to me like he believed his own bs, got himself beat to death thereby — or coup de grace the least after a long haul of self-destructiveness — at the hands of the lives that some say matter most these days. Dumb fook.

    Skiing the fall line is counter-intuitive (to newbies). So is much else. But wo/mans’ intuition’s got many by the short hairs. You’d think those folks’d be as Brazilian waxed soon or late, but seems those follicles connect in Gulliver-wraps at their spines. Nothing to be done for, about, it.

  306. @Svigor
    @Reg Cæsar


    Lincoln was the one who wanted them removed from US territory. Ironically, Davis's men accomplished that in one fell swoop.
     
    You actually believe that shit? "Honest Abe" is a reverse nickname, like calling a fat guy "tiny." He was a lawyer for the railroads, for God's sake. He would give a speech out of one side of his mouth on Saturday and then give one out of the other side of his mouth in the next town over. He had no intentions of removing blacks from US territory. He said that in speeches to con the rubes who wanted to hear that into voting for him.

    The yankees had no intention of removing blacks. They just said that to get support for their war, votes, etc. Which explains why they never lifted a finger in that direction. What's funny is how they seemed not to have anticipated the great migration of blacks into the north. I dunno what they were thinking there; maybe they really were so dumb that they thought they could contain the plague they were unleashing...

    If yankees wanted to repatriate blacks, they could have just bought them all and shipped them back for far cheaper than the cost of waging their elective war against the south. With half a million to a million fewer Whites killed, to boot. No, they wanted their battered wife back. The rest was just propaganda.

    As for the Democrats, after the war they were the KKK who fought the "Reconstructionist" GOP and their black janissaries. After they won, they created segregation over yankee-judean opposition.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He had no intentions of removing blacks from US territory. He said that in speeches to con the rubes who wanted to hear that

    The operative words.

    No, they wanted their battered wife back.

    Funny, the raids on Boston during the Fillmore and Pierce administrations had that city’s denizens persuaded they were the battered wife.

    maybe they really were so dumb that they thought they could contain the plague they were unleashing…

    Why was the plague even leashed here? What good was it doing? It belonged on its native continent, like the Wuhan strain.

  307. @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's a very eloquent, but ultimately just a long winded dodge, Reg.

    The fact is that your Yankee ancestors were the first Americans to import and to both buy and sell African slaves. And of course, they were also the first to legalize it here as well. Granted it was a a small amount compared to the numbers in the South, but that had much more to do with the length of the growing season, than any "moral" considerations.

    You folks thought that after Mr Lincoln's war you could put that nasty business behind you and blame it all on Southerners. I'm afraid you're mistaken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Granted it was a a small amount compared to the numbers in the South, but that had much more to do with the length of the growing season…

    They determined rather quickly the uselessness of Africans. What good is a hungry population that doesn’t work, but does rape and kill? Why did it take Southerners so long to learn this obvious fact?

    The CSA itself exempted colored from the draft– before the Union did– the biggest back-stabbing in our history. They should have been on the front lines, a human wave. But no, white boys were judged to be the expendable ones.

    …than any “moral” considerations.

    Who said “moral”? It’s simple reason. The preaching first came from Brits and Quakers, later picked up by those whose brains were crippled by Calvin’s nonsense.

  308. @petit bourgeois
    @utu

    My dad was a cop and the German Shepherd police dogs used to come from Germany already trained to take commands in German back in the 80's. I have no idea of how they train them now, but the far left Jew lawyer I work for says they have no legitimate purpose in law enforcement.

    After half dozen federal lawsuis involving police dogs in my office, I disagree with that proposition. It's when the dogs are used to maul compliant civilians as a punitive measure by bad cops--that is the problem.

    We got one of the puppies from the handler because my dad's colleague was a K-9, so they are allowed to breed them, since they take the dog home every night to the wife and kids.

    The dog was extremely loyal, and when I brought my black friend over, the dog seemed to be genetically predisposed to being aggressive towards dark skin. Dogs are unable to become "woke."

    While people may assert they have no legitimate purpose, situations like Kenosha (home of craftsman and snap-on tools, God bless), provide an example of why we need effective crowd control right now.

    Replies: @utu

    “the dog seemed to be genetically predisposed to being aggressive towards dark skin” – This opinion alone disqualifies you from talking about dogs with any authority. Dogs are the most pliable and programmable animals in animal kingdom when in human environment. While some are faster and some have better sense of smell and some swim better and some have better herding instinct all of them can be trained to do the same task though obviously with different outcome and efficacy. An identical clone of your dog if raised in black family could show distrust and be hesitant about white people just like many dogs show fear-aggression towards people dressed differently like for instance priests in cassocks or invalids with crutches or homeless. And when the smell of cloth is taken out of equation in their world of perception they may end up showing aggression towards their owners when naked straight from shower or a swim.

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    @Anon

    I'm pretty sure the cop was following official procedure. I'm also pretty sure FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi wasn't-and I'm still waiting for him to be put on trial.

    Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey

    He cannot be brought to trial as he was on federal business at the time.

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