The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
Kavanaugh Accuser Wants FBI to Figure Out What Happened Before She Testifies Under Oath
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

From the NYT:

Christine Blasey Ford Wants F.B.I. to Investigate Kavanaugh Before She Testifies

By Peter Baker, Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Nicholas Fandos
Sept. 18, 2018

WASHINGTON — The woman who has accused President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault all but ruled out appearing at an extraordinary Senate hearing scheduled for next week to hear her allegations, insisting on Tuesday that the F.B.I. investigate first. …

“She’s not prepared to talk with them at a hearing on Monday,” Ms. Banks said. Even if Republicans agreed to an F.B.I. investigation, it would take time to complete, she added. “No legitimate investigation is going to happen between now and Monday.”

I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that.

Democratic leaders quickly endorsed Dr. Blasey’s position, but her resistance to coming to the committee on Monday seemed to harden the resolve of Republicans who said they gave her a chance to make her case. …

As senators in both parties grappled with how to move forward, Mr. Trump’s advisers and Judge Kavanaugh’s allies appeared to be settling on a strategy of defending him by suggesting that this must be a case of mistaken identity. Under the emerging strategy, Judge Kavanaugh’s defenders would accept that Dr. Blasey was in fact assaulted but would insist that it must have been by someone other than Judge Kavanaugh because he denied it.

Uh, guys, have you thought about what the 3rd and 4th guys must be thinking when they read this: Uh-oh, the GOP Senators are trying to frame me! What’s Diane Feinstein’s phone number?

The approach reflects the shifting reality of the #MeToo movement when it has become politically perilous to directly attack the credibility of women who come forward to tell their stories. By suggesting that perhaps there was confusion after more than 30 years, White House allies said that they could offer wavering Republicans whose votes are critical for his confirmation another explanation for the he-said-she-said conflict without tearing down Dr. Blasey.

Great. So your only allowed defense in the Current Year is: It wasn’t me, it was a guy who, uh … looked like me!

The line of defense seemed to be previewed on Monday when Judge Kavanaugh called Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah and a member of the Judiciary Committee, to discuss the allegations. Mr. Hatch told reporters afterward that he believed Judge Kavanaugh. “I think she’s mistaken something” or is “mixed up,” he said.

As I’ve been pointing out, so far nobody has come forward to stay that Ms. Blasey-Ford accused Kavanaugh by name before he became famous in late 2011 voting against Obamacare and then got talked up in early 2012 as a Supreme Court nominee. Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling (although Kavanaugh’s name doesn’t appear in the therapist’s notes).

I’ve been wondering how often people see somebody in the news and decided that must be the person they knew back in the day. I vaguely recall having done that and then found out I was wrong, but I don’t remember any details.

I was worried I was doing that a few years when I was reading in the Washington Post about America’s Highest Paid Female CEO, who used to be a highly paid man: Hey, I thought, is that that huge jerk I was on a marketing strategy course team with in 1981? The name completely did not ring a bell, however. And it would be almost too convenient for me to have known a famous example of what I had been calling World War T for some time, and have my example confirm many of my theories about late onset M-to-F trans people.

So the first few times I mentioned him, I left myself an out in case I was jumping to a conclusion. Eventually, I came up with about a dozen items I remembered about him and this character fit maybe 11 of 12. (I think the one I was wrong about was that I recalled that maybe he and his wife had more than one child at the time because his apartment was large although not luxurious, but that didn’t check out.) So I’m quite confident I got this 30 year old identification right.

Two people familiar with the call, who did not want to be identified discussing it, said the judge insisted to Mr. Hatch that he did not do what he was accused of and then, in response to a question, agreed it was possible Dr. Blasey was thinking of somebody else.

Dr. Blasey has been uncertain about some details of the episode, including when it happened and whose house they were at. But this strategy carries its own risks. The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that she would not remember who pinned her down to a bed, groped her, tried to take her clothing off and covered her mouth to keep her from screaming at that party in the 1980s.

The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

That’s not confidence-inducing.

Judge Kavanaugh has told associates that he did not know who his accuser was until she identified herself in The Post and that, once he saw her name, he vaguely recalled her being part of the social circle associated with his all-boys high school in suburban Maryland at the time.

A person close to Dr. Blasey, who asked not to be identified to discuss the situation in detail, said Dr. Blasey knew the future Judge Kavanaugh in passing before the gathering where she says the attack took place, which could make it harder for his defenders to make a case that she had confused him for someone else.

 
Hide 328 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that.

    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.) Obviously, this accuser has provided no details that would allow any independent corroboration of her story, and she’s the only known witness right now who claims anything happened, so the only first step any investigation would have would be to question her. You could count on her lawyer playing rope-a-dope with that, demanding all sorts of conditions, making and withdrawing offers, saying her client is “not prepared” or is “in fear” due to threats, for weeks, maybe months.

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

    That’s not confidence-inducing.

    They’re already laying groundwork on a talking point about how “trauma” can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Thomas


    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.)
     
    I think the Democrats are also hoping for a replay of the Anita Hill show in 1991 - a bunch of old white Republican men "blaming the victim" in order to help get out the vote, and create another "year of the woman". They're counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Thomas, @Alden

    , @JimB
    @Thomas


    They’re already laying groundwork on a talking point about how “trauma” can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.
     
    Yes, but as per her testimony, her clothes weren't removed, she sustained no bruises or broken bones, and she wasn't threatened with death - or rape for that matter. Her assailant locked the door? With someone in the room who wasn't explicitly in on a conspiracy to rape? Also, why would a rapist grope a woman through her clothes? Why wouldn't he just tear them off? Was he checking to confirm her identity as a hefty female and not a transvestite? I call BS. The story stinks. She is a dirty liar.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Anon
    @Thomas

    Yeah, I don't know specifically about her motives, but in general the resistance just wants to stall. How long does an FBI background check take? And this would be quasi public, with all the people the FBI wants to talk to aware that they will be visiting. The only way ever to respond to the cops, and especially the feds, is, "Sorry, I don't talk to the police." (The only time this doesn't work is in front of a grand jury.) They tag team you with interrogators who know everything you've ever done, for eight hours, and sooner or later you will, without even knowing it, "lie to a federal officer." Bingo, you're in prison, or on the wrong end of a plea bargain.

  2. This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling

    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that….

    Film at 11.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @El Dato


    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)
     
    The old wisdom is that a lot of people who become psychologists do so in order to cure themselves.
    , @sabril
    @El Dato


    her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)
     
    I'm gonna guess that one of the things she was taught in her degree program is that current psychological problems are often the result of past sexual trauma. This was a popular idea in psychology back in the 80s and 90s when she would have been in school.

    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.
     
    Again speculating, but I would guess that she retconned a past mild incident into something more serious in order to deflect from her misbehavior towards her husband. My guess is that her husband caught her cheating; agreed to go to couples' therapy out of concern for the children; and she brought up this supposed incident as a way of getting sympathy and avoiding responsibility for her infidelity.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Realist
    @El Dato


    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?
     
    They already do....have been for years.

    "The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)"

    No.

    , @Alfa158
    @El Dato

    Do you know many people who work in the field of psychology? I’ve known some and one thing that I find distinguishes them is that they are all disturbed or misfits in one way or another. I don’t know if it is a chicken and egg thing. That is to say, if disturbed people are drawn to a field that tries to understand what makes them tick, or if studying psychology warps susceptible people by teaching them crazy things. It’s rather like the way sexual theory is dominated by perverts like Freud and Kinsey who project their issues on everyone else. They decide that the source of your problems is that your mother failed to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or did have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you wanted her to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you have dreams about her having sex with you while you were being potty-trained. (Whatever; any of those will work.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Forbes
    @El Dato

    Frankly, there's no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford's imagination.

    Much of this (MeToo phenomena) has the appearance of the hysteria surrounding the alleged pre-school child abuse scandals of the '80s where prosecutors used "recovered memories" (among other techniques) in evidentiary testimony against the alleged adult perpetrators.

    The presumption of guilt (followed by the fabrication of evidence) was the principal cause of the miscarriage of justice.

    Wikipedia lists 13 such cases, most of which were overturned on appeal or granted new trials, or otherwise absolved.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @El Dato

    If the Repubs had any balls at all they would go tell her to pound sand and take the vote today.

    But, of course, at least half of the R Senators hate real Americans almost as much as all of the D's hate us.

    So there's that.

    Cucks fight to lose and Leftists fight to annihilate.

  3. Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @PhysicistDave

    Sometimes it is a good idea? The little drinking I did as a teen was always bad in outcome.

    We won't even get near the two times I tried pot. Ack!

    , @sabril
    @PhysicistDave

    It's not a good idea for anyone to get drunk at social events. Unless they can live with having vague memories of various sexual adventures and misadventures.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.
     
    Ya think?

    I'd go a bit further and say it's not a good idea for women to drink. That's pretty much the first bullet of "personal safety" and "rape avoidance" advice I gave my girls.

    I don't know when this idea got established that it was ok--perfectly natural--for girls to "go out drinking". The traditional advice was exactly the reverse--and correct. 95%--certainly probably more like 99%--of these confused "rape" scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Alden

  4. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    “Stormy Daniels’ tell-all book on Trump: salacious detail and claims of cheating”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating

    Trump’s bodyguard invites Daniels to dinner, which turns out to be an invitation to Trump’s penthouse, she writes, in a description of alleged events that Daniels has disclosed previously but which in the book are rendered with new and lurid detail. She describes Trump’s penis as “smaller than average” but “not freakishly small”.

    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels writes. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool …

    “I lay there, annoyed that I was getting f*cked by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart …

    “It may have been the least impressive sex I’d ever had, but clearly, he didn’t share that opinion.”

    Daniels’ alleged relationship with Trump included one moment in 2007, she writes, in which she is with Trump in a hotel room watching a Shark Week broadcast on cable television when he receives a phone call from Hillary Clinton, then running against Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    “Then, to make it crazier, Hillary Clinton called,” Daniels writes. “He had a whole conversation about the race, repeatedly mentioning ‘our plan’ …

    “Even while he was on the phone with Hillary, his attention kept going back to the sharks.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Why is this in the Guardian?


    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels writes. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool …
     
    "She inspected a million coxx..."
    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous


    “Even while he was on the phone with Hillary, his attention kept going back to the sharks.”
     
    Who can blame him--the sharks are vastly more interesting and entertaining than listening to Hillary drone on...
  5. She doesn’t know what year it was, where it happened and there is no record of her coming forward before the judge was famous. And now she won’t testify under oath.

    This is the embodiment of a vexatious complainant.

    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    , @Coemgen
    @NickG


    vexatious complainant
     
    Adding that phrase to the vocabulary. Thank you!
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @NickG

    Ford's allegation could have stemmed from her neuroses, but I bet there is someone in the background known to Ford who also has been vaguely aware of her claim for a few years, a political activist who would seize on this to derail the nomination.

    If I am right, then it seems this is a repeat of the Thomas/Hill hearings in 1991:

    Anita Hill's allegations were unsupported by anyone but Workers Compensation Judge Susan Hoerchner, a woman who almost certainly perjured herself when she claimed that Hill had told the first name of her boss "Clarence".

    Hoechner knew Hill for several months in the spring and summer of 1991, but moved away before Hill began working for Thomas in the fall of 1991, and subsequently lost contact with her. Hoerchner refused to change the time frame for the phone conversations with Hill (in which Hill said she was harrassed by her boss) until a whispered conversation with Hill's attorney, Janet Napolitano.

    Then , mirabile visu, Hoerchner suddenly developed amnesia and could no longer be sure of exactly when Hill confided in her! So, her previous four days of insisting that Hill had been harrassed at a TIME WHEN SHE HAD NOT YET WORKED FOR THOMAS, was suddenly wiped from the Democratic narrative.

    Why did Anita Hill allow Susan Hoerchner to (falsely) claim that Hill had been harrassed by Thomas?

    Professional and personal: Hill didn't like Thomas's politics, and she was pissed that he had picked another woman, Allyson Duncan as his Chief of Staff at the EEOC.

    Simple as that.

    So, could it be that Dr. Ford is stewing (after all these years!) that Brett Kavanaugh didn't pick her, and she got stuck with her husband, instead?

    Is her lawyer, Diane Katz, the one who leaked the results of the polygraph from August, after it was clear that Ford would not come forward on her own?

    Is Diane Katz the 2018 version of Susan Hoerchner?

    You all know the answer - and the mainstream media will surely figure it out, any day now, right?

    http://confirmationbiased.com/how-anita-hills-witnesses-stories-did-not-add-up-susan-hoerchner/

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes

  6. The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

    Yep, they don’t want to fall into that old Jackie Coakley trap of having every single one of your ‘facts’ proven not just inaccurate but physically impossible. Right? ‘Cause we just hate it when that happens.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @anonymous

    Facts have nothing to do with TRUTH.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    , @TTSSYF
    @anonymous

    So her profession supposedly involves working with numbers, but she can't figure out what year it was when she was 15?

    This is beyond ridiculous. These Leftist gadflies, showboats, and alll-around loons in Congress are nothing but one big, national embarrassment.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @anonymous

    Some things may go vague with time, but I damned well remember which grade I was in when a schoolmate died in a car crash, a close friend got pregnant, and my parents separated.

    I believed his behavior, as described, was possible for a drunken teenage lout, but hers makes no sense.

  7. Maybe Robert Mueller and team could help. The only drawback is if they widen their remit to investigate all drunken fumblings at parties several decades ago, who knows where it may lead?

  8. The woman who has accused President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault all but ruled out appearing at an extraordinary Senate hearing scheduled for next week to hear her allegations, insisting on Tuesday that the F.B.I. investigate first. …

    Behold the fourth branch of government…………..Christine Ford, whose enumerated powers consist of the authority to veto Supreme Court justices nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Mr. Anon

    The Ford Estate.

    (Formerly known as the Machado Estate).

    , @Desiderius
    @Mr. Anon

    I think we’re on the eighth branch now, maybe ninth.

    Oh wait, there’s an estate in there and a column...

  9. “Martine” Rothblatt checks several of the dysfunction boxes of modernity. Setting aside his Jewishness as something outside of his volition, Martin fathered a kid with a black Kenyan woman, then he married an American black woman and fathered more racially mixed children with her. Then he decided that he had always felt like a girl on the inside, and he announced that he would “transition” to a woman.

    And that doesn’t even cover his transhumanist nuttiness. He didn’t have to do any of these things, and it looks like he has gone out of his way to stand out as a crank and a degenerate.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    @advancedatheist

    I have a pet theory that would explain the late-onset M2F tranny phenomenon that Steve writes about: male Histrionic Personality Disorder (which is uncommon in heterosexual men) with low-level autism as the underlying cause.

    The DSM "cluster B" disorders involving low empathy (HPD, NPD, BPD, ASPD), and usually above average intelligence, have a variety of symptoms resembling low-level autism, and are heritable and probably neurological. I suspect autism is behind all of these disorders and which specific cluster B manifestations appear is determined by life history, hormone levels and other mostly non-neurological factors. It is known that these disorders tend not to go away, but co-occur and are somewhat mutable and can interconvert, like one Thing that can show itself with different faces.

    Start with an Aspergery male, especially one with a drive toward success, adulation, dominance, or attention (Jenner, Rothblatt). They might fully qualify for a cluster B diagnosis like NPD, but that's not required. Add in hormonal changes in mid-life and the autism-manifestation morphs into the attention-seeking HPD behavior. They want to be gay or dress up or whatever, but autistically push it to the extreme of being a transsexual, in line with their lifelong tendency to push to the limit in all things.

    Software industry trannies also fit the autist pattern.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @academic gossip

  10. As I’ve been pointing out, so far nobody has come forward to stay that Ms. Blasey-Ford accused Kavanaugh by name before he became famous in late 2011 voting against Obamacare and then got talked up in early 2012 as a Supreme Court nominee. Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling (although Kavanaugh’s name doesn’t appear in the therapist’s notes).

    What I’d like to see investigated is whether Ford was talking to any Democratic Party operatives in 2012, possibly preparing this whole story for the eventuality of a Romney win.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Mr. Anon

    So what?
    Kavanaugh has been next cab off the rank for years.
    The Repubs need to do a bit more vetting of their Swamp Critter nominees.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  11. @Thomas

    I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that.
     
    It's more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don't think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.) Obviously, this accuser has provided no details that would allow any independent corroboration of her story, and she's the only known witness right now who claims anything happened, so the only first step any investigation would have would be to question her. You could count on her lawyer playing rope-a-dope with that, demanding all sorts of conditions, making and withdrawing offers, saying her client is "not prepared" or is "in fear" due to threats, for weeks, maybe months.

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

    That’s not confidence-inducing.
     
    They're already laying groundwork on a talking point about how "trauma" can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JimB, @Anon

    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.)

    I think the Democrats are also hoping for a replay of the Anita Hill show in 1991 – a bunch of old white Republican men “blaming the victim” in order to help get out the vote, and create another “year of the woman”. They’re counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Mr. Anon


    They’re counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.
     
    The Patriarchy has been smashed so many times it appears as a fine grain powder--sufficient only for snorting by those with a need addiction. None the less, like racism--despite its absence, except in one's mind--the Patriarchy will always be with us.

    Yet, with the alleged conduct in question (along with the rest of the MeToo phenomena), it appears the Patriarchy is needed more than ever to chaperone unattached females, preventing their contact with testosterone-addled males whose lasciviousness cannot be controlled when encountering the female of the species.
    , @Thomas
    @Mr. Anon

    If this thing does come to a hearing and the Republicans are smart, they’ll keep it in a closed session and delegate the questioning to a female committee counsel. But then, I did just use “Republicans” and “smart” in the same sentence, didn’t I?

    , @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    Thomas was head of the anti White enforcement agency EEOC so he can burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Conservative morons like him because the morons hope he’s against abortion and someday somewhere sometime will outlaw abortion and millions of little brown and black Orcs will be born.

    Conservatives are moron losers. They want more blacks and browns born.

  12. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    The old wisdom is that a lot of people who become psychologists do so in order to cure themselves.

    • Agree: bomag
  13. Here we go again. Another crazy broad. More angry,outspoken women demanding that women be respected and protected and hell no how dare you,you!,a man,dare to cause harm to this dear long-suffering but strong and determined comrade of ours!
    And men oozing respect for women. Falling all over themselves to show how sympathetic,but in a deeply respectful way they are.
    “You poor dear extremely believable but very very sad but so incredibly strong woman.”
    I dearly hope Kav makes it. I think he will. I can’t see him wrecked by such BS!

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Father O'Hara

    The feminists want it both ways and every way. They brag about how "tough" they are." Then they whine about what delicate little flowers they are.

    And suppose there was a Titanic situation. The feminists would suddenly be all in favor of Male Chivalry. They would expect the men to put them on the lifeboats and go down with the ship.

    Replies: @L Woods

  14. If someone questions her truthfulness, she’ll go on TV and cry at them. Somehow that means they’ll be discredited. It’s as if people have never spent time with little girls before. Or have screens made us all that stupid that we can’t notice such obvious emotional manipulation anymore?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Bill
    @Tyrion 2

    It's stunning, for example, how quickly (some) female students can turn on and off tears based on how their target is reacting to them.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Tyrion 2

    "If someone questions her truthfulness, she’ll go on TV and cry at them."


    The woman was young, no more than twenty-five, all breasts, bright red lips, raging hair, and sultry makeup, popping out of a black turtleneck sweater. She wore black pants and teetered atop a pair of black spike-heel shoes. At first their voices were muffled. Then the woman’s voice became louder and the man’s became lower. It was the classic case. The man wants to confine matters to a quiet private argument, but the woman decides to play one of her trump cards, which is Making a Scene. There is Making a Scene, and there is Tears. This was Making a Scene. The woman’s voice became louder and louder, and at last the man’s rose, too....

    “I can’t go back there,” she said. She lowered her heavy Tropical Twilight eyelids and then her whole head. Her lower lip trembled; her head and the raging hair shook, so did her shoulders. The Tears.

    “Oh, for Christ’s sake, Irene. Come on!” The Tears.

    “All right. Look . . . I’ll find out if they’re going after you on a 220-31, and I’ll represent you on rearraignment if they are, but that’s it.” The Tears! victorious even after these many millennia.

    The woman nodded like a penitent child. She walked out through the blazing waiting room. Her bottom bobbed in a glossy black shimmer. One of the Leather Men looked at Sherman and smiled, man to man, and said, “Ay, caramba.”
     

  15. @Thomas

    I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that.
     
    It's more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don't think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.) Obviously, this accuser has provided no details that would allow any independent corroboration of her story, and she's the only known witness right now who claims anything happened, so the only first step any investigation would have would be to question her. You could count on her lawyer playing rope-a-dope with that, demanding all sorts of conditions, making and withdrawing offers, saying her client is "not prepared" or is "in fear" due to threats, for weeks, maybe months.

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

    That’s not confidence-inducing.
     
    They're already laying groundwork on a talking point about how "trauma" can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JimB, @Anon

    They’re already laying groundwork on a talking point about how “trauma” can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.

    Yes, but as per her testimony, her clothes weren’t removed, she sustained no bruises or broken bones, and she wasn’t threatened with death – or rape for that matter. Her assailant locked the door? With someone in the room who wasn’t explicitly in on a conspiracy to rape? Also, why would a rapist grope a woman through her clothes? Why wouldn’t he just tear them off? Was he checking to confirm her identity as a hefty female and not a transvestite? I call BS. The story stinks. She is a dirty liar.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @JimB

    How about how two teenage boys whom she describes as “stumbling drunk,” as so drunk they couldn’t even complete their alleged attempted assault, having the presence of mind to lock her in the room and turn up music so no one could hear her yelling? “Haven” Kavanaugh seems to have the ability to go from stumbling blackout drunk to cunning premeditated rapist at the drop of a hat. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @JimB

  16. Id be happy if everyone in congress died

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    Congress isn’t the problem. The judges are.

  17. @NickG
    She doesn't know what year it was, where it happened and there is no record of her coming forward before the judge was famous. And now she won't testify under oath.

    This is the embodiment of a vexatious complainant.

    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Coemgen, @Paul Jolliffe

    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.

    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford’s attorney on CNN:

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, “Are you really going to buy what I am selling?”

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh’s confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn’t know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist’s notes, which she put forth like it’s the Gospel. She drank that night, but she’s sure it’s him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he’d been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her “civic duty.” Now that she has to put her name and face on the record – and under 0ath – she says, “Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this.” Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She’s a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn’t get hurt, but that’s attempted assault! I could’ve broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don’t remember when this was. I don’t have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    • Agree: ic1000, reiner Tor
    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Twinkie

    It happened in northeast Ohio, right? If it did, I remember seeing that!

    , @midtown
    @Twinkie

    Exactly. This is Jackie Coakley at age 50. Speaking of whom, didn't she get married after all that? I wonder how that is going.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @TTSSYF
    @Twinkie

    That's what's so frustrating about all of this; e.g., this late-hour, transparently political stunt, along with the empty Mueller investigation, exoneration of Clinton, attempt to frame Trump, IRA abuses, etc. etc. Other than a few scumbags at the FBI getting canned, where is the accountability?

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Twinkie

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=pysDcoyb&id=207FF876D73ABF21D19193F205F210D3A547DC8B&thid=OIP.pysDcoybibaWEiM2B_KJcgHaGB&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.wired.com%2fimages_blogs%2frawfile%2f2009%2f07%2fak47_5a.jpg&exph=545&expw=670&q=feinstein+posing+with+assault+rifle&simid=608011077852663459&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

    "Trigger Guard" Feinstein has a violent past. Doesn't anyone else remember that famous photo? When any Republicans, veterans, NRA members or anyone else who has handled a rifle had to be coaxed out from underneath their desks?

    , @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    I'd like to review what happened when President Obama nominated Solicitor General Elena Kagan for a vacant Supreme Court seat.

    The confirmation hearings began June 28, 2010, and were uneventful. But the day before the scheduled Judiciary Committee vote, the Washington Post broke the story that Senator Charles Grassley had received a letter from a college professor, accusing Kagan of misconduct when both were in high school. While writer Blake Camry, PhD had demanded anonymity, he did respond to the Post reporter through his lawyer.

    Camry attended the elite Browning School at the same time that Kagan was at Hunter College High School (Class of 1977). Classmates confirmed that they were acquaintances. But Dr. Camry alleged that the two became boyfriend and girlfriend for a few weeks during his junior or senior year (he didn't recall which), though this was known only to one of Kagan's friends. When contacted by the Post, she declined comment.

    Camry further related that Kagan was deeply moved by the story of his family's heirloom -- his great-grandmother's engagement ring. He claimed that Kagan asked him for an overnight loan of the ring, as a symbol of their love. The next day, Camry alleges, Kagan ended their relationship by taunting him with a pawnbroker's receipt for $16,000 for a ring (he was unable to recall the name of the pawn shop).

    The Post spoke with dozens of Camry's and Kagan's contemporaries. A Browning School classmate noted that Camry had been "down in the dumps" at one point during high school. The next-door neighbor of the Camry family remembered the word "jewelry" being shouted during "screaming matches" between Camry and his father "sometime in the late Seventies."

    The newspaper obtained records of a 1979 claim by Camry's parents under their homeowners' policy for a "missing diamond ring." The $38,700 claim was denied for unknown reasons; both parents passed away during the 1990s.

    With the consent of Camry and his wife, the Post's reporter reviewed records of the counseling that they sought in 2004. The therapist noted that Mrs. Camry had been upset by her husband's refusal to accompany his proposal of marriage with an engagement ring, and their marriage suffered from Dr. Camry's distrust of women.

    As most readers of this blog know, Elena Kagan's nomination to the Supreme Court was withdrawn as a result of the pall cast over her character by this controversy.

    .

    The above counterfactual mirrors the Kavanaugh controversy, but replaces the male-specific accusation of "attempted rape" with a gender-neutral charge of "fraud" or "theft". If anything, Camry's allegations are more serious than Ford's, even in terms of claims of emotional damage.

    Twinkie (#8) and Wilkey (#11) summarized the degree to which Ford's 35-year-old account can be corroborated. Given the parallel lack of substantiation in my novella: can anybody, Left or Right, plausibly claim that such a tale would have made the news? And if it had been published, that it would have imperiled Kagan's confirmation?

    So Kavanaugh isn't in the dock for boorishness, or behavior while drunk, or bad character. Instead, the key is that he has been somewhat plausibly accused of the gender-specific crime of attempted rape. That he cannot be shown by any reasonable standard to have committed the act is irrelevant. He was capable of it, and he might have done it. Even if he didn't, some other privileged white high school lout who's just like him could have been responsible.

    Until Proven Innocent, Kavanaugh must be kept off the Supreme Court.

    , @TheBoom
    @Twinkie

    I call BS. She couldn't have tried to assault you because, when I lived in San Francisco, Feinstein tried to run me over in a car when I was crossing the street near her mansion. I told my wife about this during the divorce proceedings as the reason I didn't pick her up at the airport like I promised. So, I have proof even though she can't remember me saying it. I don't remember when this happened and only saw Feinstein's Chinese driver but I know for certain it was her and, since it could have happened at the same time as your alleged assault, yours probably didn't happen.

  18. The kavanaugh hearings are the most embarrassing thing since my son.

    And unlike mg son, who eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of a burger king, these hearings will never go away. They will always be with us. Forever.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    Plinket review of Star Wars IIRC, right?

    , @al gore rhythms
    @Anonymous

    What?!

  19. Its time for the united states to end, for the govt to he dissolved.

  20. She may show up Monday despite this demand. The reason is Jeff Flake said it is Monday or never.

    He’s really enjoying this, so may change his tune tomorrow, and again the next day.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Lot

    The man is a despicable turncoat and what is particularly galling about him is that his own son is accused of hurling racial epithets at people in high school. Should he be barred from gainful employment for life as a result?

    We’ll never know cause no reporter will ask him.

    Replies: @L Woods

  21. I’m about the same age as Ford and Kavanaugh so have some insight into adolescent behavior in the 70s & 80s. First, a normal chick wouldn’t have roamed around with a group of teen boys unless one was her brother. Guys, even thugs, mostly weren’t rapists but they exuded creepiness. They’d be certain to discourse endlessly about matters sexual using the euphemisms of the day all with a soundtrack of AC/DC, Black Sabbath and KISS blaring through crap speakers. Also, it’s unlikely these kids were just drinking. Pot was pretty typical as was speed which might explain Fords hazy memory. I have typical memory issues for a 50 something and would not have forgotten the details of almost being raped. Ford is either lying or she was so intoxicated that her memory is not reliable. I suspect she’s a radical feminist type who’s lying to protect abortion rights. Guys were jerks back in the day but mostly not rapists. It just doesn’t ring true.

  22. If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    • Replies: @sabril
    @Dave Pinsen

    If that's true, I doubt it will damage the metoo movement. There have been lots of splashy allegations of sexual assault that have turned out to be questionable, baseless, or complete fabrications. And yet people are still as credulous as ever.

    , @El Dato
    @Dave Pinsen

    Not impossible.

    Linked to Fusion GPS? A CIA helper-outer?

    Not impossible.

    Angry liberal ladies gonna angr.

    , @Mr. Blank
    @Dave Pinsen

    That sounds too insane to be true, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, it’s within the realm of plausibility — Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh around roughly the same time, so it’s entirely possible Ford knew both of them, at least vaguely.

    Which of these two scenarios is more likely: Two future Supreme Court nominees sexually assaulted the same girl as teenagers on separate occasions? Or that a girl who vaguely knew both of them at the time, and who has strong personal reasons for wanting to prevent either one from serving on the court, made the whole thing up for political gain?

    There’s also the fact that if the former is true, it raises a whole new set of, er, questions — but I’ll just let that sit there. The rest of you can pick that up and run with it if you want.

    Replies: @Mr. Blank, @Fred Boynton, @Desiderius

    , @Forbes
    @Dave Pinsen

    I thought it slightly repugnant that the USSC was all-Ivy Law (Harvard/Yale/RBG finished at Columbia), and comprised of only Catholics and Jews. Gorsuch, an Episcopal, has broken the mold.

    But now we've the potential for prep schools in common??

    , @L Woods
    @Dave Pinsen

    It won't blow up anything. The left won't miss a beat. The right won't call them on it or stop genuflecting before their supposed "right" to be believed. Nothing will change.

    , @res
    @Dave Pinsen

    Interesting to see the way the NYT chooses to wade into this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html


    There is no known letter sent by Dr. Blasey about Justice Gorsuch, or any other Supreme Court justice.
     
    I wonder what Cornett's source has to say about that.

    I liked the "Mostly False" and "Misleading" headings for the last two.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  23. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    I’m gonna guess that one of the things she was taught in her degree program is that current psychological problems are often the result of past sexual trauma. This was a popular idea in psychology back in the 80s and 90s when she would have been in school.

    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    Again speculating, but I would guess that she retconned a past mild incident into something more serious in order to deflect from her misbehavior towards her husband. My guess is that her husband caught her cheating; agreed to go to couples’ therapy out of concern for the children; and she brought up this supposed incident as a way of getting sympathy and avoiding responsibility for her infidelity.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @sabril

    Yes, the fact that this came up in 'marriage counseling' is an odd detail, potentially significant.

    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn't the wife.

    Replies: @sabril, @Jonathan Mason

  24. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    If that’s true, I doubt it will damage the metoo movement. There have been lots of splashy allegations of sexual assault that have turned out to be questionable, baseless, or complete fabrications. And yet people are still as credulous as ever.

  25. 1) Doesn’t remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn’t remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn’t remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn’t mention Kavanaugh’s name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman…

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn’s vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we’re so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    @Wilkey


    The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women.

     

    Will disgust a certain number of men, and relatively few women. Otherwise you are fantasizing that we're back in the era when public discourse was relatively sane. Been awhile since then.

    The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote.
     
    That could happen in theory, but only if our opponents didn't enjoy a near-complete stranglehold upon the flow of information in this country. Remember how they're trying to stifle even the slightest hints of dissent online? Here's a good example explaining why.
    , @El Dato
    @Wilkey

    10) Also remembers that Mark Judge was there.
    11) And Mark Judge is an unwholesome "sketchy perv" because:
    11a) He is "a conservative writer who has written for publications such as the Daily Caller and the American Spectator" and "he's floated some controversial ideas in his writings."
    11b) He did binge drinking in his Jesuit school
    11c) He likes to take pictures of young women more desirable than decayed 40-somethings or fat pussyhatters, which is the ultimate crime.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Wilkey

    I hope you’re right. Just bought “no” on Kavanaugh receiving 49 or fewer votes for confirmation by the end of October on PredictIt.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    , @Travis
    @Wilkey

    Christine Blasey is clearly lying. A 15 year-old girl does not go to a party alone with boys she hardly knows to a strangers house. Unless she had a crush on one of the boys, in which case she would recall his name. But the story keeps changing , now her lawyer states there was another girl at the party...

    She told the therapist that several boys attacked her at the party....and THEY became prominent, powerful men Washington DC. How many other Georgetown Prep graduates from 1983-1986 became prominent in Washington DC, besides Gorsuch and Kavanaugh ? Douglas Kennedy, son of RFK, graduated from Georgetown Prep in 1986. No other prominent known members from this time period. Maybe Kennedy was also at the party. He is actually older than Gorsuch but graduated a year later. We need to question Douglas Kennedy and Gorsuch about the parties they attended in 1982.

    , @ken
    @Wilkey

    You could be right. Many of the married suburban white women will look at their husbands and realize a single spurious claim from years ago could sink their lives and careers.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @scrivener3

    , @David In TN
    @Wilkey

    "And a lot of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party."

    Very well said.

  26. Is she aware it will start with an anal and vaginal exam?

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @The Alarmist

    She's counting on it.

  27. I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations.

    Studies have found that false accusations are quite rare, but when they do happen, they tend to share several important characteristics. To anyone familiar with false rape accusations, the striking thing about this story is that it’s so undramatic. False stories typically have a lurid quality, often involving bizarre forms of cruelty that don’t always strictly make sense.

    The reason for this dramatizing tendency is clear. There’s no point in making up a rape story that may cause people to minimize the seriousness of the allegation or make them think, “So what?” It’s crucial to a false accuser to tell a story so horrific that no normal person could fail to be moved.

    In Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, we have none of this. The event described feels common. Ford emphasizes that both Kavanaugh and Judge seemed to have no inkling of the seriousness of what they were doing, and the story ends with the slapstick note of Judge knocking them all into an ungainly heap.

    Finally, while Ford’s alleged story of drunken wrestling sounds nothing like a false rape accusation, it does sound exactly like millions of real attempted rapes. It’s such a common story that it’s likely happening to many people as you read this sentence.

    In fact, when defenders of Kavanaugh aren’t insisting Ford is a liar, they’re energetically arguing that what Kavanaugh is accused of is so normal it doesn’t matter. If we ever hope to live in a world where it isn’t normal, we cannot continue to elevate alleged sex offenders to the highest positions in our society.

    Sandra Newman is the author of several books, including the novels The Country of Ice Cream Star and The Heavens, forthcoming from Grove Atlantic/Granta in February 2019. She has written for the Guardian, the Atlantic, Aeon, Quartz, and Slate, among other publications.

    I should really have attempted more rapes when young.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @El Dato

    Re: Sandra Newman's Vox article,"I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations."

    Feminists like Ms. Newman proclaim that phony rape accusations are vanishingly rare, outside of the flagrant headcases like Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum. Newman wrote,


    Innocent men rarely face rape charges -- Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].
     
    "Between 2% and 10% of all reports" links to an anonymous 4-page opinion piece at the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (PDF).

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it's extremely difficult to define "false rape accusation" in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation. A favored bait-and-switch is to focus on counting accusations that have been proven false, placing all other cases in the "true" bin.

    You can minimize all sorts of inconvenient problems when you control the terms of the debate.

    Replies: @L Woods, @ben tillman, @Alden

    , @TWS
    @El Dato

    Unfortunately, false rape accusations are anything but rare.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @El Dato

    None of these alleged rape experts have
    ever spoken with a police detective or prosecutor who investigate real rapes every day.

    They just read BS academic journals written by the same type of leftist liar as themselves.

    I’ll never forget the absolute horror wh grant hustlers felt when they invaded invaded my office and learned that their beloved pets, black low lives committed all the rapes in the county.

    Of course a few years before those same liberal women had grant hustled to do studies claiming blacks never raped but were set up by evil racist White women and White police

  28. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women.

    Will disgust a certain number of men, and relatively few women. Otherwise you are fantasizing that we’re back in the era when public discourse was relatively sane. Been awhile since then.

    The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote.

    That could happen in theory, but only if our opponents didn’t enjoy a near-complete stranglehold upon the flow of information in this country. Remember how they’re trying to stifle even the slightest hints of dissent online? Here’s a good example explaining why.

  29. anon[212] • Disclaimer says:

    In effect, Ford and the Senate Republicans are engaged in a battle for leverage and the moral high ground

    I like the idea that Ford is ‘mistaken’ and the cynical Democrats are exploiting this woman. Counter one fantasy with another. Ford is pushing #metoo which started with Weinstein and guys that ‘everyone knew’ did it. The lax standards of #metoo need more than the argument that it could have happened. She could also be mistaken about the perp. So, not only is it plausible that it could have happened, it is plausible that it didn’t happen.

  30. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    Not impossible.

    Linked to Fusion GPS? A CIA helper-outer?

    Not impossible.

    Angry liberal ladies gonna angr.

  31. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    10) Also remembers that Mark Judge was there.
    11) And Mark Judge is an unwholesome “sketchy perv” because:
    11a) He is “a conservative writer who has written for publications such as the Daily Caller and the American Spectator” and “he’s floated some controversial ideas in his writings.”
    11b) He did binge drinking in his Jesuit school
    11c) He likes to take pictures of young women more desirable than decayed 40-somethings or fat pussyhatters, which is the ultimate crime.

  32. @anonymous

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.
     
    Yep, they don't want to fall into that old Jackie Coakley trap of having every single one of your 'facts' proven not just inaccurate but physically impossible. Right? 'Cause we just hate it when that happens.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @TTSSYF, @Rosamond Vincy

    Facts have nothing to do with TRUTH.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Redneck farmer

    Damn right they don't. Sheeeit ain't you fellas been payin' attention. Facts, that's White Man talk.

  33. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    It happened in northeast Ohio, right? If it did, I remember seeing that!

  34. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    That sounds too insane to be true, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, it’s within the realm of plausibility — Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh around roughly the same time, so it’s entirely possible Ford knew both of them, at least vaguely.

    Which of these two scenarios is more likely: Two future Supreme Court nominees sexually assaulted the same girl as teenagers on separate occasions? Or that a girl who vaguely knew both of them at the time, and who has strong personal reasons for wanting to prevent either one from serving on the court, made the whole thing up for political gain?

    There’s also the fact that if the former is true, it raises a whole new set of, er, questions — but I’ll just let that sit there. The rest of you can pick that up and run with it if you want.

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    @Mr. Blank

    Reading back over my comment, it occurs to me that I should be clear that I think Ford is lying. My phrasing there was a tad ambiguous...

    Replies: @415 reasons

    , @Fred Boynton
    @Mr. Blank

    I expect that soon she'll remember that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh spit-roasted her on top of a broken glass table at the party in question. They were so enamored with her grace and beauty that they couldn't resist and consequences, both physical and to their future careers, be damned.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Desiderius
    @Mr. Blank

    “Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh”

    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  35. Based on Google ngram, political correctness began with the Hill-Thomas hearings. The elements of political correctness are: accusation of improper thoughts or behavior plus television coverage in order to deny a job. That same formula was used a few years before Hill–Thomas to get Campanis and Jimmy the Greek fired. The same formula is used today: accusation plus social media coverage, loss of job.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7ljs78h

  36. This is a disgrace.

    This woman is full of sh1t.

    The Islamic rape Armageddon in Europe is real.

    #Metoo is silent on that and tries to give this transparent liar credibility.

    If women can so brazenly scream rape to get their own way, then the experience cannot be so traumatic.

    She is the ultimate rape-advocate.

    She and Hilary have so much in common.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @22pp22

    Would "#Metoo" have happened if Hillary had won? Could the idea (since Trump won) have been to get the Weinstein types first and eventually catch Trump in the net, resulting in his impeachment?

    Hillary as President would have Bill Clinton as the Honored First Gentleman and Harvey Weinstein as a friend of the First Couple.

  37. The #meetoo movement is confined to a slither of white women and the media, important constituencies for sure but not important enough to lend credence to a 35 year old allegation from high school.

    As far as I’m concerned the Republican senate has humiliated themselves and once again showed they are weak and feckless. Leadership requires tough decisions, you don’t poll test everything and then decide how to act.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Ed

    I watched a bit of the local news while waiting for Seinfeld to come on and if I’m not mistaken there was a brief clip of an overweight black woman with acne scars claiming to represent a #MeToo movement in McDonald’s.

  38. @Lot
    She may show up Monday despite this demand. The reason is Jeff Flake said it is Monday or never.

    He's really enjoying this, so may change his tune tomorrow, and again the next day.

    Replies: @Ed

    The man is a despicable turncoat and what is particularly galling about him is that his own son is accused of hurling racial epithets at people in high school. Should he be barred from gainful employment for life as a result?

    We’ll never know cause no reporter will ask him.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Ed


    Should he be barred from gainful employment for life as a result?
     
    Yes. Hold the rats to their own rules.
  39. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas

    I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that.
     
    It's more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don't think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.) Obviously, this accuser has provided no details that would allow any independent corroboration of her story, and she's the only known witness right now who claims anything happened, so the only first step any investigation would have would be to question her. You could count on her lawyer playing rope-a-dope with that, demanding all sorts of conditions, making and withdrawing offers, saying her client is "not prepared" or is "in fear" due to threats, for weeks, maybe months.

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.

    That’s not confidence-inducing.
     
    They're already laying groundwork on a talking point about how "trauma" can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @JimB, @Anon

    Yeah, I don’t know specifically about her motives, but in general the resistance just wants to stall. How long does an FBI background check take? And this would be quasi public, with all the people the FBI wants to talk to aware that they will be visiting. The only way ever to respond to the cops, and especially the feds, is, “Sorry, I don’t talk to the police.” (The only time this doesn’t work is in front of a grand jury.) They tag team you with interrogators who know everything you’ve ever done, for eight hours, and sooner or later you will, without even knowing it, “lie to a federal officer.” Bingo, you’re in prison, or on the wrong end of a plea bargain.

  40. @Ed
    The #meetoo movement is confined to a slither of white women and the media, important constituencies for sure but not important enough to lend credence to a 35 year old allegation from high school.

    As far as I’m concerned the Republican senate has humiliated themselves and once again showed they are weak and feckless. Leadership requires tough decisions, you don’t poll test everything and then decide how to act.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I watched a bit of the local news while waiting for Seinfeld to come on and if I’m not mistaken there was a brief clip of an overweight black woman with acne scars claiming to represent a #MeToo movement in McDonald’s.

  41. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    I hope you’re right. Just bought “no” on Kavanaugh receiving 49 or fewer votes for confirmation by the end of October on PredictIt.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don’t buy it. The key is not Jeff Flake but Joe Manchin. A “no” vote likely dooms his re-election chances in WV. He’s cast his lot as a Dem who goes against the grain (socially conservative, pro-life, pro-gun). It’s the only reason his seat hasn’t flipped red. Being perceived as a tool of the establishment Dems like Feinstein will be the end of him.

    Flake has already said he will vote “yes” if the accuser doesn’t show up. The only Pub I could see flipping is Susan Collins. She represents a somewhat liberal state (unlike the pro-choice Murkowski in Alaska), so the benefits may actually outweigh the costs for her. At any rate, it looks like 52-48 or 51-49 in favor. Although a 50-50 split would be entertaining, just so the Dems could suffer the indignity of Mike Pence casting the deciding vote.

    Replies: @Berty

  42. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    They already do….have been for years.

    “The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)”

    No.

  43. What ever happens the Republicans will cave to the Democrats….as always.

  44. Christine Blasey Ford Wants F.B.I. to Investigate Kavanaugh Before She Testifies

    In other words, she wants a police-state investigation of a political opponent.

    How Soviet of her… why don’t we just rename the FBI “the Cheka” and be done with it???

  45. Dr. Blasey has been uncertain about some details of the episode, including when it happened and whose house they were at.

    …And she “remembered what she didn’t remember” in therapy decades later…meaning she’s mentally ill.

    Why don’t Republicans just say that we can’t trust the word of a mentally ill person??

  46. If there is a skeleton in your closet, be a donor, not a nominee. They Will find it. Bias is off the charts at this point.

    I hope he is innocent and confirmed.

  47. @anonymous

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.
     
    Yep, they don't want to fall into that old Jackie Coakley trap of having every single one of your 'facts' proven not just inaccurate but physically impossible. Right? 'Cause we just hate it when that happens.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @TTSSYF, @Rosamond Vincy

    So her profession supposedly involves working with numbers, but she can’t figure out what year it was when she was 15?

    This is beyond ridiculous. These Leftist gadflies, showboats, and alll-around loons in Congress are nothing but one big, national embarrassment.

  48. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    Exactly. This is Jackie Coakley at age 50. Speaking of whom, didn’t she get married after all that? I wonder how that is going.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @midtown


    Exactly. This is Jackie Coakley at age 50. Speaking of whom, didn’t she get married after all that? I wonder how that is going.
     
    I think Jackie Coakley did get married--and to a normal, decent looking white boy. One just has to wonder what the hell that boy's dad was thinking? Why he didn't tell his son in no uncertain terms that whatever his penis was telling him this mad cow was *not* the girl to marry. (And yeah she was already a heifer before even being married, so even the penis excuse is embarrassing.)

    I'm perplexed at the stupidity of white men. I was pretty stupid and clueless as a young man, but what the hell is wrong with these men who have been on planet earth for 50 odd years?

  49. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    That’s what’s so frustrating about all of this; e.g., this late-hour, transparently political stunt, along with the empty Mueller investigation, exoneration of Clinton, attempt to frame Trump, IRA abuses, etc. etc. Other than a few scumbags at the FBI getting canned, where is the accountability?

  50. @NickG
    She doesn't know what year it was, where it happened and there is no record of her coming forward before the judge was famous. And now she won't testify under oath.

    This is the embodiment of a vexatious complainant.

    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Coemgen, @Paul Jolliffe

    vexatious complainant

    Adding that phrase to the vocabulary. Thank you!

  51. @Mr. Blank
    @Dave Pinsen

    That sounds too insane to be true, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, it’s within the realm of plausibility — Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh around roughly the same time, so it’s entirely possible Ford knew both of them, at least vaguely.

    Which of these two scenarios is more likely: Two future Supreme Court nominees sexually assaulted the same girl as teenagers on separate occasions? Or that a girl who vaguely knew both of them at the time, and who has strong personal reasons for wanting to prevent either one from serving on the court, made the whole thing up for political gain?

    There’s also the fact that if the former is true, it raises a whole new set of, er, questions — but I’ll just let that sit there. The rest of you can pick that up and run with it if you want.

    Replies: @Mr. Blank, @Fred Boynton, @Desiderius

    Reading back over my comment, it occurs to me that I should be clear that I think Ford is lying. My phrasing there was a tad ambiguous…

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Mr. Blank

    I thought you were referring to a localized outbreak of toxic masculinity among legally inclined young men at this particular DC area high school 30 years ago.

  52. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:

    From the vantage point of the smear peddlers, it doesn’t matter what happens next, the stratagem has succeeded. In fact, it succeeds even more successfully in the scenario of him having a vote–whereas the political turbulence from a Borking would be hard to read, the alternate midterm theme songs of evil Brett skating by with his rapey ways, now to further tyrannize fair maidens from the lofty SCOTUS, *or* narrowly blocked from his diabolical ascension through the courage of the Senatrix from North Gynochusetts (or pick another), write themselves. We’d be hearing about this non-sequitur limited-hangout accusation for literally the rest of the guy’s life.

  53. Interesting strategy.
    1. Locate a Democrat sympathetic male/female/trans/batman symbol that went to School/Church/Worked with etc. the target you want to remove.
    2. Have him/her/xie/it claim that _______ did ______ to me when we went to School/Church/Work/Whatever.
    3. It’s OK to be fuzzy about the year/date/time, not have any witnesses, and to be able to say you had confided in a friend/therapist/significant other.

    There, that’s it in a nutshell.

    Someone I work with said wait until we get to try this on someone like Schumer.
    I said, “and what news outlet are you expecting to cover that allegation”?
    Stunned silence.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Aardvark

    That is why the real Americans should have gone to the mattresses for Roy Moore. This is their playbook now. This will happen every time now to anyone remotely to the right of Obama's 2012 purported beliefs.

    Lord are Senate Repubs the most worthless blob of biological cells that has ever walked the earth.

    Replies: @Alden

  54. The obvious Democrat tactic here is delay delay delay. Ms Blasey Ford expecting the FBI to investigate high school horseplay from 35 years ago is absurd. Even most liberals know this. The Republicans should proceed with all votes needed to confirm Kavanaugh.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Clyde

    The other reason they want to delay is to try to find (i.e., conjure up) a second woman to accuse Kavanaugh of something similar. Then it's a "pattern." I am sure that they are beating the bushes in every leftist circle to find a volunteer whose story could conceivably be credible (e.g., because she went to school around the same time and place as him, or had a roommate who clerked for him, etc.).

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  55. If they get away with this you may as well flush your constitution down the toilet.

  56. Memory is unreliable and if you’re seeking the assistance of the memories of others, you’re out of luck.

    Way back in June of 1981 I attended a housewarming party of a very wealthy young woman whose mother had purchased her an apartment in Manhattan. She was a student at NYU and her mother didn’t like the idea of her living in the dorms. She was the girl friend of one of my best friends and we all were good friends. In addition to her boyfriend’s friends, and her friends from school, she invited some of her neighbors she had befriended. During the party I spent about 20 minutes making small talk to one neighbor, a female lawyer in her mid to late twenties whom I remember worked as an assistant DA in Manhattan. Our small talk took us out to the balcony and she told me about several of the cases she had tried.

    Many years later when Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court I realized that she was the young lawyer I made small talk with at that party. Yet, not a single one of my friends who was at that party even remembers the party.

    My only proof is my memory, which after 37 years is probably less reliable than I would like to think. While I remember the party clearly,I never spoke about it until after Sotomayor’s appointment. I never wrote anything down and none of the others who were there even remember the party. If I were to accuse Sotomayor of some impropriety there is no evidence that could prove her innocence.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @HenryA


    Many years later when Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court I realized that she was the young lawyer I made small talk with at that party.
     
    I remember that. I saw you two from through the glass doors to the balcony. I saw Sotomayer grab your crotch and try and unzip your pants. I was shocked! She is unfit for pubic offense.

    Replies: @HenryA

  57. On Monday her lawyer told the Senate Judiciary committee Professor Ford wanted to testify…Senate Democrats demanded a hearing…Republicans caved and scheduled a hearing…Then Schumer demanded the FBI investigate to further delay the proceedings. after the demand by Schumer to have the FBI investigate did Christine Blasey Ford’s attorney make the demand of an FBI investigation. The entire process is designed to delay the voting until after the November elections in the hope they win the Senate and can then Block his confirmation.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    @Wilkey

    I hope you’re right. Just bought “no” on Kavanaugh receiving 49 or fewer votes for confirmation by the end of October on PredictIt.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    I don’t buy it. The key is not Jeff Flake but Joe Manchin. A “no” vote likely dooms his re-election chances in WV. He’s cast his lot as a Dem who goes against the grain (socially conservative, pro-life, pro-gun). It’s the only reason his seat hasn’t flipped red. Being perceived as a tool of the establishment Dems like Feinstein will be the end of him.

    Flake has already said he will vote “yes” if the accuser doesn’t show up. The only Pub I could see flipping is Susan Collins. She represents a somewhat liberal state (unlike the pro-choice Murkowski in Alaska), so the benefits may actually outweigh the costs for her. At any rate, it looks like 52-48 or 51-49 in favor. Although a 50-50 split would be entertaining, just so the Dems could suffer the indignity of Mike Pence casting the deciding vote.

    • Replies: @Berty
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If the Democrats all vote against Kavanaugh then whatever small chance they have of winning the Senate disappears. However none of them will commit to voting for him until the GOP is united, and they desperately hope that the vote never takes place.

  59. Expecting clownshow on Monday, with cries of Rape! and the PoundMeToo hashtag flying.

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/18/soros-kavanaugh-protesters/

    Some individuals on the call shared concerns about rumors about a supposed Metropolitan Police Department policy where a third arrest could mean that a protester could be held in jail for 24 hours, thus halting repeated disruptions by the same person.

    Yet when organizers on the call were pressed, no one could say for sure about whether the alleged policy would be followed either Thursday or Monday. Nor could they even confirm its existence.

    Because Kavanaugh no longer has a hearing on Thursday, the protesters are instead going to target a confirmation hearing for lower court nominees, who Davis described as “other gross judges” who are even more radical.

    The activists plan to “shut down” Kavanaugh’s confirmation proceedings on Monday, Davis said. “Just because they’ve delayed something doesn’t mean we’re done. It’s actually going to get very very ugly.”

  60. Diane Feinstein would not be doing this dirty trick against Brett Kavanaugh if he were Jewish.

    Not only is Kavanaugh a goy, he attended a Jesuit high school.

    Feinstein believes fundamentally that Roman Catholics should not be federal judges.

    When a Roman Catholic woman, Amy Coney Barrett, was nominated to a judge position on the 7th Circuit a year ago, Feinstein criticized Barrett for being too Roman Catholic. Feinstein declared:

    Why is it that so many of us on this side have this very uncomfortable feeling that — you know, dogma and law are two different things. And I think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. The law is totally different. And I think in your case, professor, when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.

    Feinstein does not make such critical declarations about Jews who are nominated to judge positions.

    When Feinstein received Ford’s letter accusing Kavanaugh, she surely — if Kavanaugh had been Jewish — would have discarded the letter as being irrelevant to the nomination.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Mike Sylwester

    I'm surprised she has the time. Shouldn't Diane Feinstein be under heavy investigation for her close longtime Chinese spy contacts?

    , @Jimi Shmendrix
    @Mike Sylwester

    Feinstein is not even technically Jewish and graduated from San Francisco's Sacred Heart High School (Catholic, if that's not obvious enough).

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden

    , @Alden
    @Mike Sylwester

    It’s not just Feinstein. All Jews are adamant that Catholics should not be on the Supreme Court. It’s because Jews know that judges, not presidents governors and legislators rule this country.

    Ostensibly it’s because abortion is the first commandment of Judaism and Catholics are against abortion. It’s not really that it’s because Catholics were the only religion that expelled Jews and prevailed against them.

    They will never forgive Spain and Isabella for expelling Jews and Muslims.

    That’s all, a 2,000 year old vicious hatred.

    Feinstein may have been raised secular, but her entire time in politics she did everything she could to advance Jews.

    Her early financial backers in San Francisco were Jews Walter Shorenstein Roger Boas the Magnins of the department store Pritzker Milton Marks and Mickey Ziffren.

    She found radical Jew Barbara Boxer and her fundraisers funded Boxers career. Feinstein has pushed the Jewish agenda forever. She was holding lesbian weddings in her home as early as 1974.

    Replies: @Alden

  61. Anonymous[574] • Disclaimer says:

    There is also the issue that even if everything she is saying is 100% true, is a non-penetrative sexual assault from 35 years ago when one was a minor a bar to all potential future employment? I say no, and I don’t think progressives would think so either if the perp was not a supreme court nominee from the opposite party.

  62. I’m embarrassed for these GOP cucks

    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes

    I can feel their instinctive fear of women from hundreds of miles away from DC

    Sad

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @27 year old



    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes
     
    No no no no no. This is typical alt-right internet tough guy bullshit.

    As things stand now, we're far better off to let this accusation hang around for a week or two, so that the lack of veracity of it can be demonstrated to all parties instead of merely being asserted by us.

    If we simply try to sweep this under the rug, the other side will ask about what we're trying to hide, assert that the accusation is true, etc.

    If the accusation in fact isn't true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case. On top of that, we're better off doing it that way even if the accusation is true.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @27 year old, @L Woods

  63. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    Christine Blasey is clearly lying. A 15 year-old girl does not go to a party alone with boys she hardly knows to a strangers house. Unless she had a crush on one of the boys, in which case she would recall his name. But the story keeps changing , now her lawyer states there was another girl at the party…

    She told the therapist that several boys attacked her at the party….and THEY became prominent, powerful men Washington DC. How many other Georgetown Prep graduates from 1983-1986 became prominent in Washington DC, besides Gorsuch and Kavanaugh ? Douglas Kennedy, son of RFK, graduated from Georgetown Prep in 1986. No other prominent known members from this time period. Maybe Kennedy was also at the party. He is actually older than Gorsuch but graduated a year later. We need to question Douglas Kennedy and Gorsuch about the parties they attended in 1982.

  64. I do not understand Sailer’s point about perjury. Lying to the FBI is a crime in itself, so what does she have to gain, if she is lying, by being charged with lying to the FBI rather than perjury?

  65. A couple of small but important details: the demands of Mrs Ford’s attorney are horribly specious.

    First, that she would be forced to testify “at the same table” as Kavanaugh. Well yeah, but not at the same time, and if it wasn’t clear before, it was made clear by Sen Grassley’s office afterward.

    Second, that the allegation be investigated by the FBI before she testifies to the Senate. This is ridiculous, among other reasons because Sen Feinstein _already_ referred the issue to the FBI and the FBI _already_ issued a statement that they’re not investigating. The FBI doesn’t want anything to do with this.

    I don’t know that Mrs Ford is lying exactly, but I to believe that she knows that the most incendiary level of these accusations aren’t true for one reason or another. And, there’s some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh.

    If she goes before the committee, the mitigating circumstance disappears and she’s left naked as the source of a false accusation. If it is handled by some law enforcement agency, nothing moves forward but there’s some vague cloud of accusation against Kavanaugh _and_ she’s not blamed for making the accusation in the first place.

    This is the most likely reason, imo, why this has played out the way it has.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Boethiuss

    "And, there’s some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh."

    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn't happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn't get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn't you do it?

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @ken
    @Boethiuss

    Yeah, I don't think the FBI is in the habit of investigating sexual assault claims from 30+ years ago. We can demand the FBI to investigate something, but it doesn't mean they are going to jump into action.

  66. All this reminds me of the Strange Case of Rolf Harris.

    Harris is an octogenarian Australian entertainer, singer, painter, and cartoonist of prodigious talents who is currently in prison in England on child sex convictions.

    At his trial (among other charges) Harris was accused of groping the bottom of a 14-year-old girl at a celebrity It’s a Knockout (TV show) event in Cambridge in 1975. He denied that he had visited Cambridge until four years before the trial, but television archive material was produced in court showing that he had taken part in an episode of the ITV show Star Games, which had been filmed in Cambridge in 1978. Harris denied that he had told a deliberate lie and said that his failure to remember the show was “a lapse of memory.”

    The other remarkable point here was that the girl who claimed she had been sexually assaulted at the age of 14 in Cambridge in 1975 would have been over the UK age of consent if she was 17 at a different (but somewhat similar) TV show in 1978.

    It beggars belief that she could not remember within three years when this sexual assault occurred or on which TV show, though Harris who is in his late eighties might be forgiven for lapses of memory. I also believe that his defense lawyer had not done enough homework on IMDb.

    I remember that when I was in my mid teens, I was watching a local cricket match with my parents in which my father was playing for a local team when I heard via a transistor radio (they were all the rage at the time) that England had beaten Portugal in the World Cup semifinal.

    It was a sunny afternoon and the current number 1 hit “Sunny Afternoon” by the Kinks was playing on another nearby transistor radio with slightly drunken cricket spectators singing along.

    I do not remember what year it was, but I believe it may have been in the 1960s. Can anyone please help me? Answers on a postcard, please.

    • Replies: @carol
    @Jonathan Mason

    1965, 1966 latest.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But was it established that Harris hadn't been on 'It's a Knockout' in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  67. @27 year old
    I’m embarrassed for these GOP cucks

    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes

    I can feel their instinctive fear of women from hundreds of miles away from DC

    Sad

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes

    No no no no no. This is typical alt-right internet tough guy bullshit.

    As things stand now, we’re far better off to let this accusation hang around for a week or two, so that the lack of veracity of it can be demonstrated to all parties instead of merely being asserted by us.

    If we simply try to sweep this under the rug, the other side will ask about what we’re trying to hide, assert that the accusation is true, etc.

    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case. On top of that, we’re better off doing it that way even if the accusation is true.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Boethiuss

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?


    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use -- underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine -- should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg




    (From the SNL sketch "The Rolling Paper Chase")

    "You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)"


    "But Professor Ginsburg, isn't that illegal?"

    "Yeah, yeah."

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    "So Professor, James Madison didn't just write the Constitution -- he, like, discovered it?"

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Lot, @Alden

    , @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    We did, she refused

    This is over

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Rosamond Vincy, @Boethiuss

    , @L Woods
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    This is larger than Kavanaugh's confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

  68. Don’t rule out the possibility that she will testify. There’s plenty of time for her to practice. Republicans need to prepare and do all the necessary research, go the extra mile, under the assumption that everything is up for grabs on Monday (no pun intended).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    The fact that Feinstein is waffling indicates that Feinstein already knows enough to think Ford will be terrible during testimony. Feinstein did not know about this for 3 months and leave it unprepared. There's no way the Dems would have overlooked this opportunity to stop Kavanaugh. Feinstein and the Dems have already given Ford advice all the way and prepped her. The problem is, they're waffling because they don't like the way Ford is behaving during the practice sessions. Ford must be coming across as a flake when she's being questioned.

    No doubt Ford has already been given advice by the left that she shouldn't testify, but they are going to try just leaving the accusation hanging and hope it will peel away just enough votes to stop Kavanaugh.

  69. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=pysDcoyb&id=207FF876D73ABF21D19193F205F210D3A547DC8B&thid=OIP.pysDcoybibaWEiM2B_KJcgHaGB&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.wired.com%2fimages_blogs%2frawfile%2f2009%2f07%2fak47_5a.jpg&exph=545&expw=670&q=feinstein+posing+with+assault+rifle&simid=608011077852663459&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

    “Trigger Guard” Feinstein has a violent past. Doesn’t anyone else remember that famous photo? When any Republicans, veterans, NRA members or anyone else who has handled a rifle had to be coaxed out from underneath their desks?

  70. @Mr. Blank
    @Mr. Blank

    Reading back over my comment, it occurs to me that I should be clear that I think Ford is lying. My phrasing there was a tad ambiguous...

    Replies: @415 reasons

    I thought you were referring to a localized outbreak of toxic masculinity among legally inclined young men at this particular DC area high school 30 years ago.

  71. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss
    A couple of small but important details: the demands of Mrs Ford's attorney are horribly specious.

    First, that she would be forced to testify "at the same table" as Kavanaugh. Well yeah, but not at the same time, and if it wasn't clear before, it was made clear by Sen Grassley's office afterward.

    Second, that the allegation be investigated by the FBI before she testifies to the Senate. This is ridiculous, among other reasons because Sen Feinstein _already_ referred the issue to the FBI and the FBI _already_ issued a statement that they're not investigating. The FBI doesn't want anything to do with this.

    I don't know that Mrs Ford is lying exactly, but I to believe that she knows that the most incendiary level of these accusations aren't true for one reason or another. And, there's some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh.

    If she goes before the committee, the mitigating circumstance disappears and she's left naked as the source of a false accusation. If it is handled by some law enforcement agency, nothing moves forward but there's some vague cloud of accusation against Kavanaugh _and_ she's not blamed for making the accusation in the first place.

    This is the most likely reason, imo, why this has played out the way it has.

    Replies: @Anon, @ken

    “And, there’s some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh.”

    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn’t happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn’t get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn’t you do it?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Anon


    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn’t happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn’t get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn’t you do it?
     
    Well yeah, that's why we have to keep this around for a few days at least. Give this woman a fair chance to state her case if she wants. That way we give the rest of America the chance to connect the dots for themselves.

    And along those lines, this is the best news for the November Senate elections we've seen in a while. "The Democratic Party used to be the party of fairness. But not any more. If you're a white guy and you don't support the Democrats, there is no fairness for you."

    Replies: @Forbes

  72. @Tyrion 2
    If someone questions her truthfulness, she'll go on TV and cry at them. Somehow that means they'll be discredited. It's as if people have never spent time with little girls before. Or have screens made us all that stupid that we can't notice such obvious emotional manipulation anymore?

    Replies: @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s stunning, for example, how quickly (some) female students can turn on and off tears based on how their target is reacting to them.

  73. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    I’d like to review what happened when President Obama nominated Solicitor General Elena Kagan for a vacant Supreme Court seat.

    The confirmation hearings began June 28, 2010, and were uneventful. But the day before the scheduled Judiciary Committee vote, the Washington Post broke the story that Senator Charles Grassley had received a letter from a college professor, accusing Kagan of misconduct when both were in high school. While writer Blake Camry, PhD had demanded anonymity, he did respond to the Post reporter through his lawyer.

    Camry attended the elite Browning School at the same time that Kagan was at Hunter College High School (Class of 1977). Classmates confirmed that they were acquaintances. But Dr. Camry alleged that the two became boyfriend and girlfriend for a few weeks during his junior or senior year (he didn’t recall which), though this was known only to one of Kagan’s friends. When contacted by the Post, she declined comment.

    Camry further related that Kagan was deeply moved by the story of his family’s heirloom — his great-grandmother’s engagement ring. He claimed that Kagan asked him for an overnight loan of the ring, as a symbol of their love. The next day, Camry alleges, Kagan ended their relationship by taunting him with a pawnbroker’s receipt for $16,000 for a ring (he was unable to recall the name of the pawn shop).

    The Post spoke with dozens of Camry’s and Kagan’s contemporaries. A Browning School classmate noted that Camry had been “down in the dumps” at one point during high school. The next-door neighbor of the Camry family remembered the word “jewelry” being shouted during “screaming matches” between Camry and his father “sometime in the late Seventies.”

    The newspaper obtained records of a 1979 claim by Camry’s parents under their homeowners’ policy for a “missing diamond ring.” The $38,700 claim was denied for unknown reasons; both parents passed away during the 1990s.

    With the consent of Camry and his wife, the Post‘s reporter reviewed records of the counseling that they sought in 2004. The therapist noted that Mrs. Camry had been upset by her husband’s refusal to accompany his proposal of marriage with an engagement ring, and their marriage suffered from Dr. Camry’s distrust of women.

    As most readers of this blog know, Elena Kagan’s nomination to the Supreme Court was withdrawn as a result of the pall cast over her character by this controversy.

    .

    The above counterfactual mirrors the Kavanaugh controversy, but replaces the male-specific accusation of “attempted rape” with a gender-neutral charge of “fraud” or “theft”. If anything, Camry’s allegations are more serious than Ford’s, even in terms of claims of emotional damage.

    Twinkie (#8) and Wilkey (#11) summarized the degree to which Ford’s 35-year-old account can be corroborated. Given the parallel lack of substantiation in my novella: can anybody, Left or Right, plausibly claim that such a tale would have made the news? And if it had been published, that it would have imperiled Kagan’s confirmation?

    So Kavanaugh isn’t in the dock for boorishness, or behavior while drunk, or bad character. Instead, the key is that he has been somewhat plausibly accused of the gender-specific crime of attempted rape. That he cannot be shown by any reasonable standard to have committed the act is irrelevant. He was capable of it, and he might have done it. Even if he didn’t, some other privileged white high school lout who’s just like him could have been responsible.

    Until Proven Innocent, Kavanaugh must be kept off the Supreme Court.

  74. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    You could be right. Many of the married suburban white women will look at their husbands and realize a single spurious claim from years ago could sink their lives and careers.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @ken

    Or their son's life.

    , @scrivener3
    @ken

    A 35 year old accusation against some average joe will not destroy his life. Law enforcement would have no interest in it, even in a State with no statue of limitations on sex crimes if the complainant refused to testify under oath or before a grand jury that would be the end of it.

    This is a unique hothouse flower supported by our media establishment.Or if somehow it got traction on social media, a one in a million chance.


















    law enforcement would have no interest i it

    Replies: @Wilkey

  75. “And then he ravaged my fair, white, lithe, teenaged body, right there on the bed, with Journey playing and everything.” Yeah, I think we got this one figured out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Disallow its motherfucking leg

  76. @Boethiuss
    A couple of small but important details: the demands of Mrs Ford's attorney are horribly specious.

    First, that she would be forced to testify "at the same table" as Kavanaugh. Well yeah, but not at the same time, and if it wasn't clear before, it was made clear by Sen Grassley's office afterward.

    Second, that the allegation be investigated by the FBI before she testifies to the Senate. This is ridiculous, among other reasons because Sen Feinstein _already_ referred the issue to the FBI and the FBI _already_ issued a statement that they're not investigating. The FBI doesn't want anything to do with this.

    I don't know that Mrs Ford is lying exactly, but I to believe that she knows that the most incendiary level of these accusations aren't true for one reason or another. And, there's some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh.

    If she goes before the committee, the mitigating circumstance disappears and she's left naked as the source of a false accusation. If it is handled by some law enforcement agency, nothing moves forward but there's some vague cloud of accusation against Kavanaugh _and_ she's not blamed for making the accusation in the first place.

    This is the most likely reason, imo, why this has played out the way it has.

    Replies: @Anon, @ken

    Yeah, I don’t think the FBI is in the habit of investigating sexual assault claims from 30+ years ago. We can demand the FBI to investigate something, but it doesn’t mean they are going to jump into action.

  77. As I’ve been pointing out, so far nobody has come forward to stay that Ms. Blasey-Ford accused Kavanaugh by name before he became famous in late 2011 voting against Obamacare and then got talked up in early 2012 as a Supreme Court nominee. Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling (although Kavanaugh’s name doesn’t appear in the therapist’s notes).

    This seems like a somewhat dangerous argument to me. A hypothetical crazy, dishonest, lefty woman is likely to have some crazy, dishonest, lefty friends willing to remember that she said something that one time . . .

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Bill

    Her friends who went to school with her or lived in the area 37 years ago might be happy to testify at a Stalinesque trial in a college or an NPR interview where anything can be said about a White man.

    But the woman who claims she heard about it at the time now says she won’t testify
    She realizes she’d have to answer specific questions such as what year what town And if caught in a lie it would be perjury.

  78. @Boethiuss
    @27 year old



    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes
     
    No no no no no. This is typical alt-right internet tough guy bullshit.

    As things stand now, we're far better off to let this accusation hang around for a week or two, so that the lack of veracity of it can be demonstrated to all parties instead of merely being asserted by us.

    If we simply try to sweep this under the rug, the other side will ask about what we're trying to hide, assert that the accusation is true, etc.

    If the accusation in fact isn't true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case. On top of that, we're better off doing it that way even if the accusation is true.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @27 year old, @L Woods

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?

    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use — underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine — should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg

    (From the SNL sketch “The Rolling Paper Chase”)

    “You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)”

    “But Professor Ginsburg, isn’t that illegal?”

    “Yeah, yeah.”

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    “So Professor, James Madison didn’t just write the Constitution — he, like, discovered it?”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Inquiring Mind


    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?
     
    The Justice League of America agrees! Such devilish behaviour shall be disqualifying forevermore. Brand him!

    Freud would be drooling ... we want Whores on TV, Madonnas in the Courtroom. Sex is forbidden, and also demanded, especially if rough. Gangsters are saints, normal people are evil.

    God is in the TV.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Lot
    @Inquiring Mind

    Sorry bro expanded minds have taken over the USA. Can I interest you in Singapore or Saudi?

    https://hightimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/previously-anti-weed-elon-musk-smokes-blunt-joe-rogan-experience-featured.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Lot
    @Inquiring Mind

    Dougie Fresh is the Lion of the DC Circuit. Such an injustice.

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/698/1*_5RWv0mA5sVc7VAFxSQM3g.png

    , @Alden
    @Inquiring Mind

    Under age drinking is legal in a private home. So there was no violation of any law.

    Of course any day now the Carrie Nation Puritans night make it illegal for anyone under 21 to drink in a private home.

    I’m sure the old codger exemplars of the highest virtue and morality on this site will lobby to make it s crime for a minor to drink in a private home.

    Kind of goes against the homeschooling government stay out of my private affairs conservative ideas though.

  79. Anonymous [AKA "ReistanceInsideFeinstein"] says:

    The WaPo originally reported that Ford redacted the name of Kavanaugh from the letter she gave to the FBI, but now the WaPo article reads “The FBI redacted Ford’s name and sent the letter to the White House to be included in Kavanaugh’s background file, according to a Judiciary Committee aide.”

    but there is no correction notice.

    Its kinda odd to redact a name in an accusation you give the FBI, and odd that they would receive it as such and not press for the name. So maybe the original was wrong.

    Strange

  80. @Boethiuss
    @27 year old



    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes
     
    No no no no no. This is typical alt-right internet tough guy bullshit.

    As things stand now, we're far better off to let this accusation hang around for a week or two, so that the lack of veracity of it can be demonstrated to all parties instead of merely being asserted by us.

    If we simply try to sweep this under the rug, the other side will ask about what we're trying to hide, assert that the accusation is true, etc.

    If the accusation in fact isn't true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case. On top of that, we're better off doing it that way even if the accusation is true.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @27 year old, @L Woods

    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.

    We did, she refused

    This is over

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @27 year old

    No, Boethiuss is right; the best way for the Republicans to handle this is to gently guide the lady professor to the exit and call a cab for her. Attacking her only turns this into a victory for the other side.

    Replies: @Dannyboy

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @27 year old

    It should be, but it won't.

    Former altar boys, Olympic/MSU gymnasts, kids in Sandusky's The Second Mile program brought themselves to testify to horrible things. Many were threatened for smirching the reputations of respected, beloved figures, questioned because they spoke out years later, but they did it. As with the Cosby case, eventually enough came forward to show that there had indeed been a pattern of abuse.

    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there'd be others and they'd be talking about it. They'd have been talking about it then. This wasn't an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn't have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.

    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls' room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @AnotherDad

    , @Boethiuss
    @27 year old

    Well, she's refused for the moment but we may not be done.

    Most likely the Democrats are going to figure out that they have no chance to stop the nomination unless she testifies. And they've already gone out on a limb for her, so they're in a pickle. If she's at all a credible witness, if there's any chance at all the story is true, she'll testify. There may be conditions attached. If there are, they will be more reasonable and more germane than what her lawyer has come up with so far.

    My gut feeling is that won't happen. She won't testify, the Democrats will run and hide. The GOP will pick up a small win for this (plus the confirmation), but it won't be as bad for the Democrats compared to the bloodbath of being conclusively refuted in public.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  81. @Mr. Blank
    @Dave Pinsen

    That sounds too insane to be true, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, it’s within the realm of plausibility — Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh around roughly the same time, so it’s entirely possible Ford knew both of them, at least vaguely.

    Which of these two scenarios is more likely: Two future Supreme Court nominees sexually assaulted the same girl as teenagers on separate occasions? Or that a girl who vaguely knew both of them at the time, and who has strong personal reasons for wanting to prevent either one from serving on the court, made the whole thing up for political gain?

    There’s also the fact that if the former is true, it raises a whole new set of, er, questions — but I’ll just let that sit there. The rest of you can pick that up and run with it if you want.

    Replies: @Mr. Blank, @Fred Boynton, @Desiderius

    I expect that soon she’ll remember that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh spit-roasted her on top of a broken glass table at the party in question. They were so enamored with her grace and beauty that they couldn’t resist and consequences, both physical and to their future careers, be damned.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Fred Boynton

    How soon till she carries a mattress?

    It used to be that people bore crosses. Now it's bedding with the wrong sleep number. Or a bug infestation.

  82. @anonymous

    The NYT says “in the 1980s” because the accuser can’t remember which year it was.
     
    Yep, they don't want to fall into that old Jackie Coakley trap of having every single one of your 'facts' proven not just inaccurate but physically impossible. Right? 'Cause we just hate it when that happens.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @TTSSYF, @Rosamond Vincy

    Some things may go vague with time, but I damned well remember which grade I was in when a schoolmate died in a car crash, a close friend got pregnant, and my parents separated.

    I believed his behavior, as described, was possible for a drunken teenage lout, but hers makes no sense.

  83. @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    We did, she refused

    This is over

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Rosamond Vincy, @Boethiuss

    No, Boethiuss is right; the best way for the Republicans to handle this is to gently guide the lady professor to the exit and call a cab for her. Attacking her only turns this into a victory for the other side.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    @Cagey Beast

    Could we please stop calling this vindictive, mentally-ill Leftist slut a "lady"?

    Thanks in advance.

  84. My two cents:
    1. Is there any chance this allegations get anywhere close to a reasonable level of being proven? I don’t think so. If the Democrats had credible evidence of an attempted rape, it would already have been disclosed.

    2. Is there any chance that any Democrats senators will change their votes after the Senate reviews this “incident?” I doubt it.

    Therefore, it seems to me that, no matter what happens:
    – these allegations will never be proved.
    – democrats will never change their minds

    So, it seems to me the most logical course is to vote to confirm Kavanaugh without delay. That is the most effective way to demonstrate that these tactics are useless.

  85. This is completely insane, to say nothing of cowardly. “Torn down” is exactly what needs to happen to her and all the rest of them. The craven unwillingness of white men to stand up to women will be their downfall.

  86. @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    We did, she refused

    This is over

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Rosamond Vincy, @Boethiuss

    It should be, but it won’t.

    Former altar boys, Olympic/MSU gymnasts, kids in Sandusky’s The Second Mile program brought themselves to testify to horrible things. Many were threatened for smirching the reputations of respected, beloved figures, questioned because they spoke out years later, but they did it. As with the Cosby case, eventually enough came forward to show that there had indeed been a pattern of abuse.

    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there’d be others and they’d be talking about it. They’d have been talking about it then. This wasn’t an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn’t have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.

    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls’ room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Rosamond Vincy


    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there’d be others and they’d be talking about it. They’d have been talking about it then. This wasn’t an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn’t have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.
     
    Yeah, I agree with this, which is a part of my gut feeling why I think he's substantively innocent.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Rosamond Vincy


    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls’ room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.
     
    Yep. I have a very hard time believing my daughters wouldn't know if some guy in their circle in high school was a handsy--or worse--creep.

    It's entirely possible for this to have occurred. I.e. for some guy to do a drunken groping assault on a young woman in high school and later go on to behave appropriately with women the rest of his life.

    However, two aspects--beyond her being a good-white leftist "activist" which itself is a mental disorder--don't ring true:

    1) If she was really traumatized for life by what she felt was "attempted rape", then she should know every detail--when, really the exact date, but even generously at least roughly (e.g. sophomore year, in first few weeks of school), whose house, who was there, etc. etc. This would be etched in her memory, if it's an ongoing issue in her life.

    2) Her high school friends should know. Yes, it's not at the level she reports to police, and maybe she doesn't want to tell her parents about it because she was drunk at a party. But all her friends would know that Kavanaugh groped and "tried to rape" her. She gets assaulted by this handsy creep and doesn't utter a peep to warn the other girls? Where is the sisterhood?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  87. @Jonathan Mason
    All this reminds me of the Strange Case of Rolf Harris.

    Harris is an octogenarian Australian entertainer, singer, painter, and cartoonist of prodigious talents who is currently in prison in England on child sex convictions.

    At his trial (among other charges) Harris was accused of groping the bottom of a 14-year-old girl at a celebrity It's a Knockout (TV show) event in Cambridge in 1975. He denied that he had visited Cambridge until four years before the trial, but television archive material was produced in court showing that he had taken part in an episode of the ITV show Star Games, which had been filmed in Cambridge in 1978. Harris denied that he had told a deliberate lie and said that his failure to remember the show was "a lapse of memory."

    The other remarkable point here was that the girl who claimed she had been sexually assaulted at the age of 14 in Cambridge in 1975 would have been over the UK age of consent if she was 17 at a different (but somewhat similar) TV show in 1978.

    It beggars belief that she could not remember within three years when this sexual assault occurred or on which TV show, though Harris who is in his late eighties might be forgiven for lapses of memory. I also believe that his defense lawyer had not done enough homework on IMDb.

    I remember that when I was in my mid teens, I was watching a local cricket match with my parents in which my father was playing for a local team when I heard via a transistor radio (they were all the rage at the time) that England had beaten Portugal in the World Cup semifinal.

    It was a sunny afternoon and the current number 1 hit "Sunny Afternoon" by the Kinks was playing on another nearby transistor radio with slightly drunken cricket spectators singing along.

    I do not remember what year it was, but I believe it may have been in the 1960s. Can anyone please help me? Answers on a postcard, please.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKsHh3BFPI

    Replies: @carol, @Henry's Cat

    1965, 1966 latest.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @carol


    1965, 1966 latest.
     
    Well, England won the World Cup in 1966, so that is easy. They played Portugal on Tuesday July 26th, which is easy to establish with a few moments on Google or Bing.

    However it also appears that my memory is false, because the match started at 7:30 p.m. at which time cricket games, which are usually on a Saturday, are wrapping up as it gets dark about 9pm in England at that time of year. The soccer game would not have been finished until about 9:15 pm.

    Probably I was thinking about the Portugal vs North Korea game, which Portugal won 5-3 after going 3-0 down. That was played on Saturday July 23rd 1966 in the afternoon.

    So memories can trick us, but only up to a point, which was really my point. I can get the Saturday and the Tuesday mixed up in my memory, but I was 15 years old and I could hardly forget what YEAR it was, especially if I believed it was a matter of extreme importance and I had months to research it.

    Incidentally, Sunny Afternoon by The Kinks reached #1 on the BBC charts on July 13th and stayed there for 2 weeks, so I was pretty much on the money with that.

    So, like I say, these days with the information on the Internet it is pretty easy to pin down the dates of old memories with a high degree of accuracy, even with only a minute or two of effort.

  88. @Ed
    @Lot

    The man is a despicable turncoat and what is particularly galling about him is that his own son is accused of hurling racial epithets at people in high school. Should he be barred from gainful employment for life as a result?

    We’ll never know cause no reporter will ask him.

    Replies: @L Woods

    Should he be barred from gainful employment for life as a result?

    Yes. Hold the rats to their own rules.

  89. @Mr. Blank
    @Dave Pinsen

    That sounds too insane to be true, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, it’s within the realm of plausibility — Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh around roughly the same time, so it’s entirely possible Ford knew both of them, at least vaguely.

    Which of these two scenarios is more likely: Two future Supreme Court nominees sexually assaulted the same girl as teenagers on separate occasions? Or that a girl who vaguely knew both of them at the time, and who has strong personal reasons for wanting to prevent either one from serving on the court, made the whole thing up for political gain?

    There’s also the fact that if the former is true, it raises a whole new set of, er, questions — but I’ll just let that sit there. The rest of you can pick that up and run with it if you want.

    Replies: @Mr. Blank, @Fred Boynton, @Desiderius

    “Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh”

    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.
     
    Reaction to what? What is the root of the problem?

    Replies: @El Dato

  90. @Boethiuss
    @27 year old



    They should be loud and clear that this accuser is not credible and redirect to the much more credible Keith Ellison and Bill Clinton rapes
     
    No no no no no. This is typical alt-right internet tough guy bullshit.

    As things stand now, we're far better off to let this accusation hang around for a week or two, so that the lack of veracity of it can be demonstrated to all parties instead of merely being asserted by us.

    If we simply try to sweep this under the rug, the other side will ask about what we're trying to hide, assert that the accusation is true, etc.

    If the accusation in fact isn't true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case. On top of that, we're better off doing it that way even if the accusation is true.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @27 year old, @L Woods

    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.

    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @L Woods


    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.
     
    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There's limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Jack Hanson, @Colin Wright, @ben tillman

  91. @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    We did, she refused

    This is over

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Rosamond Vincy, @Boethiuss

    Well, she’s refused for the moment but we may not be done.

    Most likely the Democrats are going to figure out that they have no chance to stop the nomination unless she testifies. And they’ve already gone out on a limb for her, so they’re in a pickle. If she’s at all a credible witness, if there’s any chance at all the story is true, she’ll testify. There may be conditions attached. If there are, they will be more reasonable and more germane than what her lawyer has come up with so far.

    My gut feeling is that won’t happen. She won’t testify, the Democrats will run and hide. The GOP will pick up a small win for this (plus the confirmation), but it won’t be as bad for the Democrats compared to the bloodbath of being conclusively refuted in public.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Boethiuss

    I don't see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I've read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don't want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It's impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

  92. @Rosamond Vincy
    @27 year old

    It should be, but it won't.

    Former altar boys, Olympic/MSU gymnasts, kids in Sandusky's The Second Mile program brought themselves to testify to horrible things. Many were threatened for smirching the reputations of respected, beloved figures, questioned because they spoke out years later, but they did it. As with the Cosby case, eventually enough came forward to show that there had indeed been a pattern of abuse.

    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there'd be others and they'd be talking about it. They'd have been talking about it then. This wasn't an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn't have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.

    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls' room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @AnotherDad

    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there’d be others and they’d be talking about it. They’d have been talking about it then. This wasn’t an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn’t have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.

    Yeah, I agree with this, which is a part of my gut feeling why I think he’s substantively innocent.

  93. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Do you know many people who work in the field of psychology? I’ve known some and one thing that I find distinguishes them is that they are all disturbed or misfits in one way or another. I don’t know if it is a chicken and egg thing. That is to say, if disturbed people are drawn to a field that tries to understand what makes them tick, or if studying psychology warps susceptible people by teaching them crazy things. It’s rather like the way sexual theory is dominated by perverts like Freud and Kinsey who project their issues on everyone else. They decide that the source of your problems is that your mother failed to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or did have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you wanted her to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you have dreams about her having sex with you while you were being potty-trained. (Whatever; any of those will work.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alfa158

    I know two women - mother and daughter - both apparently sane - who both became mental health professionals because of a history of madness in their family. In their case, it wasn't to understand their own issues but the issues of relatives.

    This is probably also the reason so many Jews are drawn to psychology. Due to centuries of inbreeding, Jewish families produce a disproportionate number of lunatics as well as geniuses.

    Replies: @Alden

  94. The details of Ford’s story sound like they’re from an 80’s movie.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Reginald Maplethorp

    Brett Kavanaugh is James Spader's evil preppie.

  95. @Desiderius
    @Mr. Blank

    “Gorsuch went to the same school as Kavanaugh”

    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.

    Reaction to what? What is the root of the problem?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Meedja overload?

  96. I’ve been wondering how often people see somebody in the news and decided that must be the person they knew back in the day.

    Jack Dorsey and I graduated from high school in the same year (1995) in the same city (St. Louis), but not the same school. However, his school and mine held various events, fairs and mixers together, so the odds are close to 100% that we crossed paths in the heady 1991-5 time frame. I have zero recollection of him though.

  97. @Jonathan Mason
    All this reminds me of the Strange Case of Rolf Harris.

    Harris is an octogenarian Australian entertainer, singer, painter, and cartoonist of prodigious talents who is currently in prison in England on child sex convictions.

    At his trial (among other charges) Harris was accused of groping the bottom of a 14-year-old girl at a celebrity It's a Knockout (TV show) event in Cambridge in 1975. He denied that he had visited Cambridge until four years before the trial, but television archive material was produced in court showing that he had taken part in an episode of the ITV show Star Games, which had been filmed in Cambridge in 1978. Harris denied that he had told a deliberate lie and said that his failure to remember the show was "a lapse of memory."

    The other remarkable point here was that the girl who claimed she had been sexually assaulted at the age of 14 in Cambridge in 1975 would have been over the UK age of consent if she was 17 at a different (but somewhat similar) TV show in 1978.

    It beggars belief that she could not remember within three years when this sexual assault occurred or on which TV show, though Harris who is in his late eighties might be forgiven for lapses of memory. I also believe that his defense lawyer had not done enough homework on IMDb.

    I remember that when I was in my mid teens, I was watching a local cricket match with my parents in which my father was playing for a local team when I heard via a transistor radio (they were all the rage at the time) that England had beaten Portugal in the World Cup semifinal.

    It was a sunny afternoon and the current number 1 hit "Sunny Afternoon" by the Kinks was playing on another nearby transistor radio with slightly drunken cricket spectators singing along.

    I do not remember what year it was, but I believe it may have been in the 1960s. Can anyone please help me? Answers on a postcard, please.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKsHh3BFPI

    Replies: @carol, @Henry's Cat

    But was it established that Harris hadn’t been on ‘It’s a Knockout’ in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Henry's Cat


    But was it established that Harris hadn’t been on ‘It’s a Knockout’ in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year
     
    No, there was no such show. Information on this type of thing is readily available at the IDMb Website.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0365271/


    You want to look at the 186 TV credits list under "self", where you will see the episodes of Star Games listed under 1978.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  98. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Frankly, there’s no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford’s imagination.

    Much of this (MeToo phenomena) has the appearance of the hysteria surrounding the alleged pre-school child abuse scandals of the ’80s where prosecutors used “recovered memories” (among other techniques) in evidentiary testimony against the alleged adult perpetrators.

    The presumption of guilt (followed by the fabrication of evidence) was the principal cause of the miscarriage of justice.

    Wikipedia lists 13 such cases, most of which were overturned on appeal or granted new trials, or otherwise absolved.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Forbes

    'Frankly, there’s no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford’s imagination.'

    There's also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later. I think consenting teens were running wild in the absence of any adult supervision. Happily, no harm came of it.

    I mean seriously...thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.

    Replies: @sabril, @Forbes

  99. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    I thought it slightly repugnant that the USSC was all-Ivy Law (Harvard/Yale/RBG finished at Columbia), and comprised of only Catholics and Jews. Gorsuch, an Episcopal, has broken the mold.

    But now we’ve the potential for prep schools in common??

  100. @NickG
    She doesn't know what year it was, where it happened and there is no record of her coming forward before the judge was famous. And now she won't testify under oath.

    This is the embodiment of a vexatious complainant.

    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Coemgen, @Paul Jolliffe

    Ford’s allegation could have stemmed from her neuroses, but I bet there is someone in the background known to Ford who also has been vaguely aware of her claim for a few years, a political activist who would seize on this to derail the nomination.

    If I am right, then it seems this is a repeat of the Thomas/Hill hearings in 1991:

    Anita Hill’s allegations were unsupported by anyone but Workers Compensation Judge Susan Hoerchner, a woman who almost certainly perjured herself when she claimed that Hill had told the first name of her boss “Clarence”.

    Hoechner knew Hill for several months in the spring and summer of 1991, but moved away before Hill began working for Thomas in the fall of 1991, and subsequently lost contact with her. Hoerchner refused to change the time frame for the phone conversations with Hill (in which Hill said she was harrassed by her boss) until a whispered conversation with Hill’s attorney, Janet Napolitano.

    Then , mirabile visu, Hoerchner suddenly developed amnesia and could no longer be sure of exactly when Hill confided in her! So, her previous four days of insisting that Hill had been harrassed at a TIME WHEN SHE HAD NOT YET WORKED FOR THOMAS, was suddenly wiped from the Democratic narrative.

    Why did Anita Hill allow Susan Hoerchner to (falsely) claim that Hill had been harrassed by Thomas?

    Professional and personal: Hill didn’t like Thomas’s politics, and she was pissed that he had picked another woman, Allyson Duncan as his Chief of Staff at the EEOC.

    Simple as that.

    So, could it be that Dr. Ford is stewing (after all these years!) that Brett Kavanaugh didn’t pick her, and she got stuck with her husband, instead?

    Is her lawyer, Diane Katz, the one who leaked the results of the polygraph from August, after it was clear that Ford would not come forward on her own?

    Is Diane Katz the 2018 version of Susan Hoerchner?

    You all know the answer – and the mainstream media will surely figure it out, any day now, right?

    http://confirmationbiased.com/how-anita-hills-witnesses-stories-did-not-add-up-susan-hoerchner/

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @Paul Jolliffe

    So we essentially have proof that Susan Hoerchner was lying in her testimony about Clarence Thomas (which strongly suggests that Anita Hill's story was also false), yet yesterday Anita Hill had this Opinion piece in the NYT:

    Anita Hill: How to Get the Kavanaugh Hearings Right
    The Senate Judiciary Committee has a chance to do better by the country than it did nearly three decades ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/opinion/anita-hill-brett-kavanaugh-clarence-thomas.html

    And of course there are lots of comments about how brave Anita Hill was and how we should not put yet another sex-criminal on the Supreme Court.

    If Kavanaugh is confirmed without Ford's accusations having been proven false beyond any possible doubt, then the permanent narrative at the NYT will be that Kavanaugh was guilty of attempted rape and that Ford was a brave victim whose credible accusations were ignored by the evil sexist Republicans.

    Replies: @Alden

  101. @PhysicistDave
    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @sabril, @AnotherDad

    Sometimes it is a good idea? The little drinking I did as a teen was always bad in outcome.

    We won’t even get near the two times I tried pot. Ack!

  102. @Fred Boynton
    @Mr. Blank

    I expect that soon she'll remember that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh spit-roasted her on top of a broken glass table at the party in question. They were so enamored with her grace and beauty that they couldn't resist and consequences, both physical and to their future careers, be damned.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How soon till she carries a mattress?

    It used to be that people bore crosses. Now it’s bedding with the wrong sleep number. Or a bug infestation.

    • LOL: Marat
  103. @Boethiuss
    @27 year old

    Well, she's refused for the moment but we may not be done.

    Most likely the Democrats are going to figure out that they have no chance to stop the nomination unless she testifies. And they've already gone out on a limb for her, so they're in a pickle. If she's at all a credible witness, if there's any chance at all the story is true, she'll testify. There may be conditions attached. If there are, they will be more reasonable and more germane than what her lawyer has come up with so far.

    My gut feeling is that won't happen. She won't testify, the Democrats will run and hide. The GOP will pick up a small win for this (plus the confirmation), but it won't be as bad for the Democrats compared to the bloodbath of being conclusively refuted in public.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    I don’t see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It’s impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @candid_observer


    I don’t see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It’s impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.
     
    Yeah, I agree. Though if your premise is right, her intentions would be aligned well enough with theirs in any case.

    In the next day or so, we're going to see some Democrat wiggling on the idea that the conditions of her testimony are unreasonable and she won't do it. I don't expect this to hold. It will be clear enough soon enough that those conditions, whatever they are, are completely reasonable and that if she has a case, this is the forum to state it.

    From there, the decision point for her is about the same as it is for the party. She can refuse to testify and take a credibility hit while still maintaining some ambiguous possibility of being truthful, or go through with the hearing risk and losing that.

    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.

    Replies: @27 year old

    , @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.
     
    I don't know what they know, but I know what I know, and that's that she deleted her social media presence recently.

    That fact changes the cross from something that needs to be handled delicately to something where you just go balls to the wall. You start off with questions about what she did to prepare for the hearing (she won't say she destroyed evidence of her political perspective), you move on to her political views, you question her about some of the stuff you found on Wayback, you point out that she lied about not doing one particular thing to prepare for the hearing, she lied about not posting things that she did post, you point out that she destroyed evidence that she must have though was important, you ask questions insinuating a political motivation, and then and only then -- after her credibility has been completely destroyed -- do you ask questions about not telling anyone at the time, the context in which she made the allegation to her therapist, and all the missing details in her account.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rosamond Vincy

  104. @Reginald Maplethorp
    The details of Ford's story sound like they're from an 80's movie.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Brett Kavanaugh is James Spader’s evil preppie.

  105. What’s Diane Feinstein’s phone number?

    Steve can’t spell the name of his own senatrix? Jeez… she’s been in there almost half his life!

    I always made sure to get Michele Bachmann’s right, and I even wasn’t in her district.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar


    I always made sure to get Michele Bachmann’s right, and I even wasn’t in her district.
     
    Tell us more about how you ended up with a restraining order.;-)
  106. If Brett Kavanaugh does testify on Monday, he ought to wear a red nose, a fright wig, and begin and end each answer with a beep from a bicycle horn. If we’re going to live in Clown World, let’s act the part!

  107. ‘…I’m guessing she doesn’t want to stumble in to perjury charges, so let the FBI figure out what really happened, and then she’ll testify to that…’

    Put it together with Feinstein sitting on the charges for two months. I’m guessing it’s all been a ploy to delay confirmation until more Democrats have been seated in the Senate.

  108. Suppose, just for argument’s sake, this event really did happen. We must ask “So what?”.

    A 17 year old at a party where booze was being served tried to paw the clothes off a 15 year old girl, and fumbled the task so badly that she got away.

    Is that it?

    Doesn’t even rise to the level of misdeamanor. It seems the worst the accused could be hit with would be underaged drinking. Heck, he might even have smoked some weed or, Heaven forbid, cigarettes!

    There’s a reason juvenile records are sealed. Teenaged mistakes shouldn’t haunt you for the rest of your life.

    Meanwhile, the corpse formerly known as Michael Brown cannot have his juvenile record disclosed to the public because it would besmirch his “character”. The rumor is that Brown killed someone, but I suppose there’s a difference between being a nominee to the Supreme Court and a martyr to a bogus cause like Black Lives Matter.

  109. @Forbes
    @El Dato

    Frankly, there's no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford's imagination.

    Much of this (MeToo phenomena) has the appearance of the hysteria surrounding the alleged pre-school child abuse scandals of the '80s where prosecutors used "recovered memories" (among other techniques) in evidentiary testimony against the alleged adult perpetrators.

    The presumption of guilt (followed by the fabrication of evidence) was the principal cause of the miscarriage of justice.

    Wikipedia lists 13 such cases, most of which were overturned on appeal or granted new trials, or otherwise absolved.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Frankly, there’s no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford’s imagination.’

    There’s also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later. I think consenting teens were running wild in the absence of any adult supervision. Happily, no harm came of it.

    I mean seriously…thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.

    • Replies: @sabril
    @Colin Wright


    I mean seriously…thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.
     
    Probably having posted here is enough to sink your nomination.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Forbes
    @Colin Wright


    There’s also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later.
     
    It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to "pin" the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn't beat them, or do "that" to them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

  110. @Mike Sylwester
    Diane Feinstein would not be doing this dirty trick against Brett Kavanaugh if he were Jewish.

    Not only is Kavanaugh a goy, he attended a Jesuit high school.

    Feinstein believes fundamentally that Roman Catholics should not be federal judges.

    When a Roman Catholic woman, Amy Coney Barrett, was nominated to a judge position on the 7th Circuit a year ago, Feinstein criticized Barrett for being too Roman Catholic. Feinstein declared:

    Why is it that so many of us on this side have this very uncomfortable feeling that — you know, dogma and law are two different things. And I think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. The law is totally different. And I think in your case, professor, when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.
     
    Feinstein does not make such critical declarations about Jews who are nominated to judge positions.

    When Feinstein received Ford's letter accusing Kavanaugh, she surely -- if Kavanaugh had been Jewish -- would have discarded the letter as being irrelevant to the nomination.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jimi Shmendrix, @Alden

    I’m surprised she has the time. Shouldn’t Diane Feinstein be under heavy investigation for her close longtime Chinese spy contacts?

  111. @Anon
    @Boethiuss

    "And, there’s some mitigating circumstance, psychological, circumstantial, whatever, that justifies why she would accuse Kavanaugh."

    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn't happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn't get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn't you do it?

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn’t happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn’t get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn’t you do it?

    Well yeah, that’s why we have to keep this around for a few days at least. Give this woman a fair chance to state her case if she wants. That way we give the rest of America the chance to connect the dots for themselves.

    And along those lines, this is the best news for the November Senate elections we’ve seen in a while. “The Democratic Party used to be the party of fairness. But not any more. If you’re a white guy and you don’t support the Democrats, there is no fairness for you.”

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Boethiuss


    If you’re a white guy and you don’t support the Democrats, there is no fairness for you.”
     
    FIFY.
  112. @El Dato
    This is all beyond stupid. Will every auto-selecting neurotic wench be allowed to bring forth vague accusations?

    The good lady has marital problems, and is obviously in need of mental support, her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)

    Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling
     
    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.

    The letter from Dr. Blasey’s lawyers strongly suggested that it would be offensive to assert that....
     
    Film at 11.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @sabril, @Realist, @Alfa158, @Forbes, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    If the Repubs had any balls at all they would go tell her to pound sand and take the vote today.

    But, of course, at least half of the R Senators hate real Americans almost as much as all of the D’s hate us.

    So there’s that.

    Cucks fight to lose and Leftists fight to annihilate.

  113. @L Woods
    @Boethiuss


    If the accusation in fact isn’t true, the way to show this is to give Mrs Ford a fair shot to state her case.
     
    This is larger than Kavanaugh's confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.

    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There’s limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Boethiuss

    Where we stand at the moment is a result of generations of "conservatives" tripping over themselves to play into the enemy's frame. This is why we've been losing inexorably for the better part of the last century.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Boethiuss

    Getting gaslighted by Twitter. Many such cases! Sad!

    , @Colin Wright
    @Boethiuss

    '...This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There’s limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach...'

    People -- and female people, particularly -- always have an impulse to control whatever in our nature is most uncontrollable.

    ...and of course sexual desire is about as uncontrollable as it gets. Skip the graphic proof -- think about it. It's so.

    So of course we periodically have to go through these attempts to corral sex. Ironically, that just about every conceivable abomination has now been declared legitimate only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow, it all has to be reined in.

    People -- female people, particularly -- are always going to feel compelled to do this.

    For good reason, perhaps. But it's tedious, and nothing has been offered up that suggests Kavanaugh wouldn't make a mighty fine Supreme Court Justice.

    , @ben tillman
    @Boethiuss


    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously.
     
    Hell, I take the accusation seriously -- seriously enough to hold it up to intellectual scrutiny that almost immediately puts it in the "incredible" category.

    Taking accusations seriously is not even close to the same thing as believing them.
  114. @Redneck farmer
    @anonymous

    Facts have nothing to do with TRUTH.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Damn right they don’t. Sheeeit ain’t you fellas been payin’ attention. Facts, that’s White Man talk.

  115. @El Dato
    I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile -- What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations.

    Studies have found that false accusations are quite rare, but when they do happen, they tend to share several important characteristics. To anyone familiar with false rape accusations, the striking thing about this story is that it’s so undramatic. False stories typically have a lurid quality, often involving bizarre forms of cruelty that don’t always strictly make sense.

    ...

    The reason for this dramatizing tendency is clear. There’s no point in making up a rape story that may cause people to minimize the seriousness of the allegation or make them think, “So what?” It’s crucial to a false accuser to tell a story so horrific that no normal person could fail to be moved.

    In Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, we have none of this. The event described feels common. Ford emphasizes that both Kavanaugh and Judge seemed to have no inkling of the seriousness of what they were doing, and the story ends with the slapstick note of Judge knocking them all into an ungainly heap.

    Finally, while Ford’s alleged story of drunken wrestling sounds nothing like a false rape accusation, it does sound exactly like millions of real attempted rapes. It’s such a common story that it’s likely happening to many people as you read this sentence.

    In fact, when defenders of Kavanaugh aren’t insisting Ford is a liar, they’re energetically arguing that what Kavanaugh is accused of is so normal it doesn’t matter. If we ever hope to live in a world where it isn’t normal, we cannot continue to elevate alleged sex offenders to the highest positions in our society.

    Sandra Newman is the author of several books, including the novels The Country of Ice Cream Star and The Heavens, forthcoming from Grove Atlantic/Granta in February 2019. She has written for the Guardian, the Atlantic, Aeon, Quartz, and Slate, among other publications.
     

    I should really have attempted more rapes when young.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @Alden

    Re: Sandra Newman’s Vox article,”I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations.”

    Feminists like Ms. Newman proclaim that phony rape accusations are vanishingly rare, outside of the flagrant headcases like Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum. Newman wrote,

    Innocent men rarely face rape charges — Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].

    “Between 2% and 10% of all reports” links to an anonymous 4-page opinion piece at the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (PDF).

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it’s extremely difficult to define “false rape accusation” in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation. A favored bait-and-switch is to focus on counting accusations that have been proven false, placing all other cases in the “true” bin.

    You can minimize all sorts of inconvenient problems when you control the terms of the debate.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @ic1000

    Yes, the military was promulgating that 2% canard a while back at my training base (they literally lined the troop walk with signs that claimed this figure). Of course, nobody has the critical thinking ability to wonder about the methodology of such a "study" or how they could possibly know such a thing with any reliability at all.

    , @ben tillman
    @ic1000


    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it’s extremely difficult to define “false rape accusation” in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation.
     
    Yeah, but the main problem is that she's lying.

    This is not a "false rape accusation". This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    , @Alden
    @ic1000

    The witch is right that innocent men rarely face false charges IF IF she means criminal charges after a competent police detective investigates and a district attorney decides there is enough compelling evidence to file charges.

    The burden of proof in criminal cases is very high. District attorneys don’t file cases unless the evidence the detective finds will
    Met the burden of proof. In other words attorneys don’t file case unless they are very sure they will win.

    But if by false charges she means a woman with a grudge makes a claim that’s an entirely different thing

    A police report of rape isn’t a criminal charge.

    I don’t know why all you White men are so defensive about rape. It’s basically a brown and black male thing. And sex offense detectives DA investigators and DAs know that.

    White men just don’t fit the profile. More than 20 years a probation officer in a small 10 Percent black county with the rape caseload. Every single rapist in the county was black. Every single one. Now it’s about 1/3 Hispanic 2/3 Black.

    Detectives are very skeptical of he said she said accusations against White men.

    But you guys don’t know anything about who commits rapes and get all defensive.

    Of course colleges are completely different Colleges are staffed by vicious minions of Satan out to destroy White men. White asian and Hispanic girls raped by black men used to be accused of racism. Probably still are.

  116. @candid_observer
    @Boethiuss

    I don't see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I've read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don't want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It's impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

    I don’t see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It’s impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.

    Yeah, I agree. Though if your premise is right, her intentions would be aligned well enough with theirs in any case.

    In the next day or so, we’re going to see some Democrat wiggling on the idea that the conditions of her testimony are unreasonable and she won’t do it. I don’t expect this to hold. It will be clear enough soon enough that those conditions, whatever they are, are completely reasonable and that if she has a case, this is the forum to state it.

    From there, the decision point for her is about the same as it is for the party. She can refuse to testify and take a credibility hit while still maintaining some ambiguous possibility of being truthful, or go through with the hearing risk and losing that.

    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.
     
    It depends on how the events are spun and presented to the public

    Replies: @Forbes

  117. @ken
    @Wilkey

    You could be right. Many of the married suburban white women will look at their husbands and realize a single spurious claim from years ago could sink their lives and careers.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @scrivener3

    Or their son’s life.

  118. @Anonymous
    The kavanaugh hearings are the most embarrassing thing since my son.

    And unlike mg son, who eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of a burger king, these hearings will never go away. They will always be with us. Forever.

    Replies: @L Woods, @al gore rhythms

    Plinket review of Star Wars IIRC, right?

  119. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    It won’t blow up anything. The left won’t miss a beat. The right won’t call them on it or stop genuflecting before their supposed “right” to be believed. Nothing will change.

  120. L Woods says:
    @ic1000
    @El Dato

    Re: Sandra Newman's Vox article,"I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations."

    Feminists like Ms. Newman proclaim that phony rape accusations are vanishingly rare, outside of the flagrant headcases like Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum. Newman wrote,


    Innocent men rarely face rape charges -- Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].
     
    "Between 2% and 10% of all reports" links to an anonymous 4-page opinion piece at the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (PDF).

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it's extremely difficult to define "false rape accusation" in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation. A favored bait-and-switch is to focus on counting accusations that have been proven false, placing all other cases in the "true" bin.

    You can minimize all sorts of inconvenient problems when you control the terms of the debate.

    Replies: @L Woods, @ben tillman, @Alden

    Yes, the military was promulgating that 2% canard a while back at my training base (they literally lined the troop walk with signs that claimed this figure). Of course, nobody has the critical thinking ability to wonder about the methodology of such a “study” or how they could possibly know such a thing with any reliability at all.

  121. @Boethiuss
    @L Woods


    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.
     
    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There's limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Jack Hanson, @Colin Wright, @ben tillman

    Where we stand at the moment is a result of generations of “conservatives” tripping over themselves to play into the enemy’s frame. This is why we’ve been losing inexorably for the better part of the last century.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @L Woods

    The irony of course that Kav himself shows every sign of being an uber White Knight.

    One man at a time I guess.

  122. I’d never really thought about it before, but the old style standards of men and women meeting in the past protected the man as well as the woman. The events were organized and chaperoned by competent adults. All contact, social as well as physical, took place in public under carefully controlled conditions.

    Other cultures, of course, were even more cautious. A man and woman might not even meet until their arranged marriage. Or they might only meet in very formal circumstances in front of both families, just to see if both parties were interested. Men and women of marriageable age were never alone with each other.

    This protected men as much as women.

    Today, of course, there are no adult men who cannot be accused of misconduct, assuming they’ve left their parent’s basement to socialize.

  123. @The Alarmist
    Is she aware it will start with an anal and vaginal exam?

    Replies: @L Woods

    She’s counting on it.

  124. @Anonymous
    "Stormy Daniels' tell-all book on Trump: salacious detail and claims of cheating"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating

    Trump’s bodyguard invites Daniels to dinner, which turns out to be an invitation to Trump’s penthouse, she writes, in a description of alleged events that Daniels has disclosed previously but which in the book are rendered with new and lurid detail. She describes Trump’s penis as “smaller than average” but “not freakishly small”.

    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels writes. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool …

    “I lay there, annoyed that I was getting f*cked by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart ...

    “It may have been the least impressive sex I’d ever had, but clearly, he didn’t share that opinion.”

    Daniels’ alleged relationship with Trump included one moment in 2007, she writes, in which she is with Trump in a hotel room watching a Shark Week broadcast on cable television when he receives a phone call from Hillary Clinton, then running against Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    “Then, to make it crazier, Hillary Clinton called,” Daniels writes. “He had a whole conversation about the race, repeatedly mentioning ‘our plan’ ...

    “Even while he was on the phone with Hillary, his attention kept going back to the sharks.”
     

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    Why is this in the Guardian?

    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels writes. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool …

    “She inspected a million coxx…”

  125. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Here is the root of the problem.

    The whole circus of rationalizations obscures what is in fact a healthy allergic reaction to it.
     
    Reaction to what? What is the root of the problem?

    Replies: @El Dato

    Meedja overload?

  126. @Inquiring Mind
    @Boethiuss

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?


    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use -- underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine -- should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg




    (From the SNL sketch "The Rolling Paper Chase")

    "You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)"


    "But Professor Ginsburg, isn't that illegal?"

    "Yeah, yeah."

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    "So Professor, James Madison didn't just write the Constitution -- he, like, discovered it?"

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Lot, @Alden

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    The Justice League of America agrees! Such devilish behaviour shall be disqualifying forevermore. Brand him!

    Freud would be drooling … we want Whores on TV, Madonnas in the Courtroom. Sex is forbidden, and also demanded, especially if rough. Gangsters are saints, normal people are evil.

    God is in the TV.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @El Dato

    Another ancient Puritan chimes in.

    While we’re at it, let’s make it illegal for anyone who ever had a drink under the age of 21 to get any kind of occupational license at all; attorney, nurse X-RAY tech plumber electrician bug exterminator librarian teacher health inspector building inspector contractor

    So from the fake assault accusation you have decided that Kacanaugh illegally drank at age 17.

    But you’re wrong. It’s not illegal for minors to drink in a private home club or at a private party. It’s only illegal for them to buy liquor or sell or serve it to them in a bar or restaurant. Or drink it when driving. Or carry an open container around outside or while driving

    In other words, a 20 year old bride can have a drink at her wedding at the Moose Lodge Masonic Hall country club or her home.

    I knew a judge who was so drunk after lunch his head kept falling on the desk. The DA and defense attorney had snot dribbling out of their noses from the cocaine they used at lunch. Court reporter and bailiff red eyed from weed.

    Why do you think so many judges try to rush through the calendar in the morning? So they can get drunk at lunch and not totally mess up
    after lunch.

    I just am gobsmacked, bowled over, continually astonished at the high levels of morality and virtue displayed on this website.

  127. In favor of the mistaken identity thesis, was reading a piece on The Ringer yesterday:

    “My favorite story about youth football in Miami is the time that my Orlando high school played Miami Northwestern in the state championship two years after I’d graduated. It was a bloodbath; Miami Northwestern’s roster was so deep that seemingly no one noticed that Lavonte David, a future NFL All-Pro, was on the team. One hiccup on the way to Northwestern’s 41-0 win was a knee injury to Jacory Harris, the Miami team’s starting quarterback who would eventually play for the Miami Hurricanes. A backup came in and immediately threw a deep touchdown to Aldarius Johnson, another future Hurricane. When Teddy Bridgewater, who was a freshman that year, later rose to prominence, I wondered if Bridgewater was the player who made the throw. A few years ago, I spoke with another Northwestern player about it. No, he clarified, that team was so stacked that Bridgewater wasn’t even the backup. ”

    https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/18/17873442/liberty-city-warriors-miami-high-school-football-luther-campbell-chad-johnson

    —–

    I suspect this sort of misremembering is pretty common, where you remember something about someone who shares a few biographical details with someone famous, and then you just graft it onto the famous person,

    presumably there were 50 odd football players at Georgetown Prep in the early 80s (maybe more if you can’t even narrow it down to a specific year), two of them did something, one football player became a prominent judge, another became a published author, so you sort of suspect the football players who did the thing might have been the 2 football player who’ve you’ve actually heard of since then.

    Multiplied across 30 years…

  128. From earlier:

    2016-11-02: Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven’t The Media Covered It? There are two big reasons.

    What happened to to the rape accusation against Gérard Depardieu, btw?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @El Dato

    Via Yandex Translate here are the words to that video:


    Text:
    I stayed home, didn't go out.
    The boy from the army was waiting for
    And my neighbor and my neighbor
    Us on birthday called

    We got acquainted, played cards (Fuit-Ha!)
    And I drank vodka for the first time
    A few drinks is a lot of, like,
    Here hysterical and began

    Not colored roses, passion, innocence, tears
    Girls should not be naive
    Not colored roses, not colored roses
    Never drink vodka

    We're meeting downstairs.
    Where sauna, pool table
    Play loud music already
    I didn't understand what was happening.
     

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Alden
    @El Dato

    Depardieu wrote an auto biography. He left home in his late teens. He claims he was a criminal who committed a lot of robberies and rapes. The rapes were common criminal rapes. He grabbed perfect strangers overpowered and raped them that’s what he wrote

  129. @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But was it established that Harris hadn't been on 'It's a Knockout' in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    But was it established that Harris hadn’t been on ‘It’s a Knockout’ in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year

    No, there was no such show. Information on this type of thing is readily available at the IDMb Website.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0365271/

    You want to look at the 186 TV credits list under “self”, where you will see the episodes of Star Games listed under 1978.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  130. @PhysicistDave
    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @sabril, @AnotherDad

    It’s not a good idea for anyone to get drunk at social events. Unless they can live with having vague memories of various sexual adventures and misadventures.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @sabril


    having vague memories of various sexual adventures and misadventures.
     
    Isn't that the whole point (and fun) of getting drunk at social events (when you're young)?

    Of course, getting so drunk that you have a vague memory means you were so physically incapacitated that you couldn't do much of anything, aside from misadventure (falling down).
  131. @PhysicistDave
    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @sabril, @AnotherDad

    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.

    Ya think?

    I’d go a bit further and say it’s not a good idea for women to drink. That’s pretty much the first bullet of “personal safety” and “rape avoidance” advice I gave my girls.

    I don’t know when this idea got established that it was ok–perfectly natural–for girls to “go out drinking”. The traditional advice was exactly the reverse–and correct. 95%–certainly probably more like 99%–of these confused “rape” scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t know when this idea got established that it was ok–perfectly natural–for girls to “go out drinking”. The traditional advice was exactly the reverse–and correct.
     
    AND we are talking about the 80s.

    Reminder to drink moderately at best and don't pull in any other weird substances either.
    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    , @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad

    There was a date rape drug craze a few years ago where lots of women were claiming to have woken up having been drugged and raped. I remember one medical professional who dealt with victims saying the only drug ever found in their systems was alcohol. And the sex was probably consensual in all cases.

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    I doubt you have children. No one who hates women the way you do would go near enough to a woman to have children. I doubt you’ve ever had a conversation with a woman in your life.

    Going to a party is not “ going out drinking”. Going out drinking means going to bars with no other thing planned but drinking in bars.

    Going to a party and having a drink is not going out for the purpose of drinking.

    An old man like you should not pontificate about what young people are doing since you know nothing about what young people do.

    Those drunk sluts you see on internet porn sites are actresses acting out old men’s fantasies. That’s not how young women actually behave.

  132. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don’t buy it. The key is not Jeff Flake but Joe Manchin. A “no” vote likely dooms his re-election chances in WV. He’s cast his lot as a Dem who goes against the grain (socially conservative, pro-life, pro-gun). It’s the only reason his seat hasn’t flipped red. Being perceived as a tool of the establishment Dems like Feinstein will be the end of him.

    Flake has already said he will vote “yes” if the accuser doesn’t show up. The only Pub I could see flipping is Susan Collins. She represents a somewhat liberal state (unlike the pro-choice Murkowski in Alaska), so the benefits may actually outweigh the costs for her. At any rate, it looks like 52-48 or 51-49 in favor. Although a 50-50 split would be entertaining, just so the Dems could suffer the indignity of Mike Pence casting the deciding vote.

    Replies: @Berty

    If the Democrats all vote against Kavanaugh then whatever small chance they have of winning the Senate disappears. However none of them will commit to voting for him until the GOP is united, and they desperately hope that the vote never takes place.

  133. @Mr. Anon

    The woman who has accused President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault all but ruled out appearing at an extraordinary Senate hearing scheduled for next week to hear her allegations, insisting on Tuesday that the F.B.I. investigate first. …
     
    Behold the fourth branch of government..............Christine Ford, whose enumerated powers consist of the authority to veto Supreme Court justices nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Desiderius

    The Ford Estate.

    (Formerly known as the Machado Estate).

  134. @carol
    @Jonathan Mason

    1965, 1966 latest.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    1965, 1966 latest.

    Well, England won the World Cup in 1966, so that is easy. They played Portugal on Tuesday July 26th, which is easy to establish with a few moments on Google or Bing.

    However it also appears that my memory is false, because the match started at 7:30 p.m. at which time cricket games, which are usually on a Saturday, are wrapping up as it gets dark about 9pm in England at that time of year. The soccer game would not have been finished until about 9:15 pm.

    Probably I was thinking about the Portugal vs North Korea game, which Portugal won 5-3 after going 3-0 down. That was played on Saturday July 23rd 1966 in the afternoon.

    So memories can trick us, but only up to a point, which was really my point. I can get the Saturday and the Tuesday mixed up in my memory, but I was 15 years old and I could hardly forget what YEAR it was, especially if I believed it was a matter of extreme importance and I had months to research it.

    Incidentally, Sunny Afternoon by The Kinks reached #1 on the BBC charts on July 13th and stayed there for 2 weeks, so I was pretty much on the money with that.

    So, like I say, these days with the information on the Internet it is pretty easy to pin down the dates of old memories with a high degree of accuracy, even with only a minute or two of effort.

  135. @Inquiring Mind
    @Boethiuss

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?


    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use -- underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine -- should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg




    (From the SNL sketch "The Rolling Paper Chase")

    "You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)"


    "But Professor Ginsburg, isn't that illegal?"

    "Yeah, yeah."

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    "So Professor, James Madison didn't just write the Constitution -- he, like, discovered it?"

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Lot, @Alden

    Sorry bro expanded minds have taken over the USA. Can I interest you in Singapore or Saudi?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Lot

    Far Out SpaceX, man!

  136. @Inquiring Mind
    @Boethiuss

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?


    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use -- underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine -- should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg




    (From the SNL sketch "The Rolling Paper Chase")

    "You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)"


    "But Professor Ginsburg, isn't that illegal?"

    "Yeah, yeah."

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    "So Professor, James Madison didn't just write the Constitution -- he, like, discovered it?"

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Lot, @Alden

    Dougie Fresh is the Lion of the DC Circuit. Such an injustice.

  137. The Judge’s Song.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jonathan Mason

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ow84_VcYnPQ

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  138. The Democrats are taking big chances here. If this woman starts babbling in public about how, when she was Cleopatra in a previous life, she was gang-raped by Tiberius, Mark Anthony, and the Roman soldier who drove the nails into Christ’s hands, the Democrats’ sure-thing of gaining control of the US Senate in November go bye-bye. She might not remember 1982 but she probably has total recall of 26 AD.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    @Detective Club

    There really are women, who claim they were cleopatra in a previous life. I once overheard a woman telling her friend exactly that while I was sitting on a neighboring table in a restaurant.

  139. But is there also a Smoking Gun?

  140. She was wearing Nikes and he was wearing a white robe

  141. @Lot
    @Inquiring Mind

    Sorry bro expanded minds have taken over the USA. Can I interest you in Singapore or Saudi?

    https://hightimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/previously-anti-weed-elon-musk-smokes-blunt-joe-rogan-experience-featured.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    Far Out SpaceX, man!

  142. @Anonymous
    "Stormy Daniels' tell-all book on Trump: salacious detail and claims of cheating"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating

    Trump’s bodyguard invites Daniels to dinner, which turns out to be an invitation to Trump’s penthouse, she writes, in a description of alleged events that Daniels has disclosed previously but which in the book are rendered with new and lurid detail. She describes Trump’s penis as “smaller than average” but “not freakishly small”.

    “He knows he has an unusual penis,” Daniels writes. “It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool …

    “I lay there, annoyed that I was getting f*cked by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart ...

    “It may have been the least impressive sex I’d ever had, but clearly, he didn’t share that opinion.”

    Daniels’ alleged relationship with Trump included one moment in 2007, she writes, in which she is with Trump in a hotel room watching a Shark Week broadcast on cable television when he receives a phone call from Hillary Clinton, then running against Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    “Then, to make it crazier, Hillary Clinton called,” Daniels writes. “He had a whole conversation about the race, repeatedly mentioning ‘our plan’ ...

    “Even while he was on the phone with Hillary, his attention kept going back to the sharks.”
     

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    “Even while he was on the phone with Hillary, his attention kept going back to the sharks.”

    Who can blame him–the sharks are vastly more interesting and entertaining than listening to Hillary drone on…

  143. @Boethiuss
    @candid_observer


    I don’t see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It’s impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.
     
    Yeah, I agree. Though if your premise is right, her intentions would be aligned well enough with theirs in any case.

    In the next day or so, we're going to see some Democrat wiggling on the idea that the conditions of her testimony are unreasonable and she won't do it. I don't expect this to hold. It will be clear enough soon enough that those conditions, whatever they are, are completely reasonable and that if she has a case, this is the forum to state it.

    From there, the decision point for her is about the same as it is for the party. She can refuse to testify and take a credibility hit while still maintaining some ambiguous possibility of being truthful, or go through with the hearing risk and losing that.

    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.

    Replies: @27 year old

    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.

    It depends on how the events are spun and presented to the public

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @27 year old

    Facts don't matter as there aren't any.

  144. @midtown
    @Twinkie

    Exactly. This is Jackie Coakley at age 50. Speaking of whom, didn't she get married after all that? I wonder how that is going.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Exactly. This is Jackie Coakley at age 50. Speaking of whom, didn’t she get married after all that? I wonder how that is going.

    I think Jackie Coakley did get married–and to a normal, decent looking white boy. One just has to wonder what the hell that boy’s dad was thinking? Why he didn’t tell his son in no uncertain terms that whatever his penis was telling him this mad cow was *not* the girl to marry. (And yeah she was already a heifer before even being married, so even the penis excuse is embarrassing.)

    I’m perplexed at the stupidity of white men. I was pretty stupid and clueless as a young man, but what the hell is wrong with these men who have been on planet earth for 50 odd years?

  145. @Mr. Anon
    @Thomas


    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.)
     
    I think the Democrats are also hoping for a replay of the Anita Hill show in 1991 - a bunch of old white Republican men "blaming the victim" in order to help get out the vote, and create another "year of the woman". They're counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Thomas, @Alden

    They’re counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    The Patriarchy has been smashed so many times it appears as a fine grain powder–sufficient only for snorting by those with a need addiction. None the less, like racism–despite its absence, except in one’s mind–the Patriarchy will always be with us.

    Yet, with the alleged conduct in question (along with the rest of the MeToo phenomena), it appears the Patriarchy is needed more than ever to chaperone unattached females, preventing their contact with testosterone-addled males whose lasciviousness cannot be controlled when encountering the female of the species.

  146. @sabril
    @El Dato


    her degree in psychology being worthless for self-diagnostic (is a degree in psychology good for anything except writing unreadable papers in obscure journals?)
     
    I'm gonna guess that one of the things she was taught in her degree program is that current psychological problems are often the result of past sexual trauma. This was a popular idea in psychology back in the 80s and 90s when she would have been in school.

    Goes to marriage counseling, obsesses about SCOTUS nominations. Yes, there is a problem here.
     
    Again speculating, but I would guess that she retconned a past mild incident into something more serious in order to deflect from her misbehavior towards her husband. My guess is that her husband caught her cheating; agreed to go to couples' therapy out of concern for the children; and she brought up this supposed incident as a way of getting sympathy and avoiding responsibility for her infidelity.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Yes, the fact that this came up in ‘marriage counseling’ is an odd detail, potentially significant.

    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn’t the wife.

    • Replies: @sabril
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks, as a side note, I think that it's probably a terrible idea for a husband to agree to marriage counseling. To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse.

    Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions. That's what women want anyway. The man can exert his authority in various ways, but if he goes to marriage counseling with his wife, it necessarily will undermine his authority. Would the captain of a ship go to counseling with one of his officers if the two are having a problem? Of course not, the captain must take charge and his officers must live with his decisions made for the benefit of the entire crew. A wife needs and deserves the same treatment -- benevolent dictatorship.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn’t the wife.
     
    Yes, it is usually the wife who proposes treatment for the husband's "sex addiction"--when a bimbo erupts. In this case it might be the husband.

    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can't get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad

  147. @Jonathan Mason
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uny1K5jnkYo

    The Judge's Song.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Love it. She sounds almost British, but I guess that is a Noo Yock accent and the pronunciation of the final 'r's is not British.

    My 5-year-old liked it and set the tune to her own lyrics.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  148. @Reg Cæsar

    What’s Diane Feinstein’s phone number?
     
    Steve can't spell the name of his own senatrix? Jeez... she's been in there almost half his life!

    I always made sure to get Michele Bachmann's right, and I even wasn't in her district.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I always made sure to get Michele Bachmann’s right, and I even wasn’t in her district.

    Tell us more about how you ended up with a restraining order.;-)

  149. Calvin Hobbes [AKA "Calvin X Hobbes"] says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    @NickG

    Ford's allegation could have stemmed from her neuroses, but I bet there is someone in the background known to Ford who also has been vaguely aware of her claim for a few years, a political activist who would seize on this to derail the nomination.

    If I am right, then it seems this is a repeat of the Thomas/Hill hearings in 1991:

    Anita Hill's allegations were unsupported by anyone but Workers Compensation Judge Susan Hoerchner, a woman who almost certainly perjured herself when she claimed that Hill had told the first name of her boss "Clarence".

    Hoechner knew Hill for several months in the spring and summer of 1991, but moved away before Hill began working for Thomas in the fall of 1991, and subsequently lost contact with her. Hoerchner refused to change the time frame for the phone conversations with Hill (in which Hill said she was harrassed by her boss) until a whispered conversation with Hill's attorney, Janet Napolitano.

    Then , mirabile visu, Hoerchner suddenly developed amnesia and could no longer be sure of exactly when Hill confided in her! So, her previous four days of insisting that Hill had been harrassed at a TIME WHEN SHE HAD NOT YET WORKED FOR THOMAS, was suddenly wiped from the Democratic narrative.

    Why did Anita Hill allow Susan Hoerchner to (falsely) claim that Hill had been harrassed by Thomas?

    Professional and personal: Hill didn't like Thomas's politics, and she was pissed that he had picked another woman, Allyson Duncan as his Chief of Staff at the EEOC.

    Simple as that.

    So, could it be that Dr. Ford is stewing (after all these years!) that Brett Kavanaugh didn't pick her, and she got stuck with her husband, instead?

    Is her lawyer, Diane Katz, the one who leaked the results of the polygraph from August, after it was clear that Ford would not come forward on her own?

    Is Diane Katz the 2018 version of Susan Hoerchner?

    You all know the answer - and the mainstream media will surely figure it out, any day now, right?

    http://confirmationbiased.com/how-anita-hills-witnesses-stories-did-not-add-up-susan-hoerchner/

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes

    So we essentially have proof that Susan Hoerchner was lying in her testimony about Clarence Thomas (which strongly suggests that Anita Hill’s story was also false), yet yesterday Anita Hill had this Opinion piece in the NYT:

    Anita Hill: How to Get the Kavanaugh Hearings Right
    The Senate Judiciary Committee has a chance to do better by the country than it did nearly three decades ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/opinion/anita-hill-brett-kavanaugh-clarence-thomas.html

    And of course there are lots of comments about how brave Anita Hill was and how we should not put yet another sex-criminal on the Supreme Court.

    If Kavanaugh is confirmed without Ford’s accusations having been proven false beyond any possible doubt, then the permanent narrative at the NYT will be that Kavanaugh was guilty of attempted rape and that Ford was a brave victim whose credible accusations were ignored by the evil sexist Republicans.

    • Agree: dwb
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Hill accused Thomas of putting pubic hair in her coke. I didn’t believe her.

    How would she know it was his? It’s not like any Whites worked in the EEOC office.
    Thomas was head of the anti White EEOC may every person who worked for that agency burn in hell forever and ever.

  150. @HenryA
    Memory is unreliable and if you're seeking the assistance of the memories of others, you're out of luck.

    Way back in June of 1981 I attended a housewarming party of a very wealthy young woman whose mother had purchased her an apartment in Manhattan. She was a student at NYU and her mother didn't like the idea of her living in the dorms. She was the girl friend of one of my best friends and we all were good friends. In addition to her boyfriend's friends, and her friends from school, she invited some of her neighbors she had befriended. During the party I spent about 20 minutes making small talk to one neighbor, a female lawyer in her mid to late twenties whom I remember worked as an assistant DA in Manhattan. Our small talk took us out to the balcony and she told me about several of the cases she had tried.

    Many years later when Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court I realized that she was the young lawyer I made small talk with at that party. Yet, not a single one of my friends who was at that party even remembers the party.

    My only proof is my memory, which after 37 years is probably less reliable than I would like to think. While I remember the party clearly,I never spoke about it until after Sotomayor's appointment. I never wrote anything down and none of the others who were there even remember the party. If I were to accuse Sotomayor of some impropriety there is no evidence that could prove her innocence.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Many years later when Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court I realized that she was the young lawyer I made small talk with at that party.

    I remember that. I saw you two from through the glass doors to the balcony. I saw Sotomayer grab your crotch and try and unzip your pants. I was shocked! She is unfit for pubic offense.

    • Replies: @HenryA
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing of the sort happened. She was quite nice and seemed to take a genuine interest in what a geeky 21 year old had to say.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

  151. @Mr. Anon

    The woman who has accused President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault all but ruled out appearing at an extraordinary Senate hearing scheduled for next week to hear her allegations, insisting on Tuesday that the F.B.I. investigate first. …
     
    Behold the fourth branch of government..............Christine Ford, whose enumerated powers consist of the authority to veto Supreme Court justices nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Desiderius

    I think we’re on the eighth branch now, maybe ninth.

    Oh wait, there’s an estate in there and a column…

  152. Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?

    Anyway, this was sat on since July, and this whole, Alinskyite attack was planned. For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose.

    What is happening now is delay, delay, delay. If Republican senators were any good at all they would ignore it — but they are no good.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose."

    Thanks. I made a similar observation in a previous comment.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?
     
    You're kidding. What is alleged is attempted pack rape, and possible murder to conceal the crime.
    That ain't normal teenage behaviour.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Alden

  153. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV
    Don’t rule out the possibility that she will testify. There's plenty of time for her to practice. Republicans need to prepare and do all the necessary research, go the extra mile, under the assumption that everything is up for grabs on Monday (no pun intended).

    Replies: @Anon

    The fact that Feinstein is waffling indicates that Feinstein already knows enough to think Ford will be terrible during testimony. Feinstein did not know about this for 3 months and leave it unprepared. There’s no way the Dems would have overlooked this opportunity to stop Kavanaugh. Feinstein and the Dems have already given Ford advice all the way and prepped her. The problem is, they’re waffling because they don’t like the way Ford is behaving during the practice sessions. Ford must be coming across as a flake when she’s being questioned.

    No doubt Ford has already been given advice by the left that she shouldn’t testify, but they are going to try just leaving the accusation hanging and hope it will peel away just enough votes to stop Kavanaugh.

  154. @Aardvark
    Interesting strategy.
    1. Locate a Democrat sympathetic male/female/trans/batman symbol that went to School/Church/Worked with etc. the target you want to remove.
    2. Have him/her/xie/it claim that _______ did ______ to me when we went to School/Church/Work/Whatever.
    3. It's OK to be fuzzy about the year/date/time, not have any witnesses, and to be able to say you had confided in a friend/therapist/significant other.

    There, that's it in a nutshell.

    Someone I work with said wait until we get to try this on someone like Schumer.
    I said, "and what news outlet are you expecting to cover that allegation"?
    Stunned silence.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    That is why the real Americans should have gone to the mattresses for Roy Moore. This is their playbook now. This will happen every time now to anyone remotely to the right of Obama’s 2012 purported beliefs.

    Lord are Senate Repubs the most worthless blob of biological cells that has ever walked the earth.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Republicans are useless. The Democrats got Roy Moore on some false sex claims from 30 years ago. Considering what gross lechers Democrats are they are the worst hypocrites in the world .

  155. @Boethiuss
    @L Woods


    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.
     
    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There's limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Jack Hanson, @Colin Wright, @ben tillman

    Getting gaslighted by Twitter. Many such cases! Sad!

  156. @AnotherDad
    @HenryA


    Many years later when Sonia Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court I realized that she was the young lawyer I made small talk with at that party.
     
    I remember that. I saw you two from through the glass doors to the balcony. I saw Sotomayer grab your crotch and try and unzip your pants. I was shocked! She is unfit for pubic offense.

    Replies: @HenryA

    Nothing of the sort happened. She was quite nice and seemed to take a genuine interest in what a geeky 21 year old had to say.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @HenryA

    Sarcasm alert. Dad was just funnin'. You don't get out much do you.

  157. Jack Hanson says:

    Believe it or not, there’s a bigger story than this, and it involves the declassification of documents relating to President Trump’s FISA Warrant.

    The Democrats have taken a page from the Judiciary and given themselves powers, specifically the power to block the President from declassifying documents. This of course ignores the fact the President is the authority on this matter, but when have facts gotten in the way of Leftist power grabbing?

    This is the real test of “will to power” that’s shaping up as a constitutional crisis.

  158. @Father O'Hara
    Here we go again. Another crazy broad. More angry,outspoken women demanding that women be respected and protected and hell no how dare you,you!,a man,dare to cause harm to this dear long-suffering but strong and determined comrade of ours!
    And men oozing respect for women. Falling all over themselves to show how sympathetic,but in a deeply respectful way they are.
    "You poor dear extremely believable but very very sad but so incredibly strong woman."
    I dearly hope Kav makes it. I think he will. I can't see him wrecked by such BS!

    Replies: @David In TN

    The feminists want it both ways and every way. They brag about how “tough” they are.” Then they whine about what delicate little flowers they are.

    And suppose there was a Titanic situation. The feminists would suddenly be all in favor of Male Chivalry. They would expect the men to put them on the lifeboats and go down with the ship.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @David In TN

    And the white knights would enforce their wishes, unfortunately.

  159. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @sabril

    Yes, the fact that this came up in 'marriage counseling' is an odd detail, potentially significant.

    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn't the wife.

    Replies: @sabril, @Jonathan Mason

    Thanks, as a side note, I think that it’s probably a terrible idea for a husband to agree to marriage counseling. To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse.

    Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions. That’s what women want anyway. The man can exert his authority in various ways, but if he goes to marriage counseling with his wife, it necessarily will undermine his authority. Would the captain of a ship go to counseling with one of his officers if the two are having a problem? Of course not, the captain must take charge and his officers must live with his decisions made for the benefit of the entire crew. A wife needs and deserves the same treatment — benevolent dictatorship.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @sabril

    "To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse."

    No, that is not even remotely true. Counselors in this realm specifically focus on being neutral.

    "Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions."

    Certainly 80 years ago, but not today. Men and women decide for themselves what is a "decent relationship".

    "That’s what women want anyway."

    That's what YOU prefer.

    "A wife needs and deserves the same treatment — benevolent dictatorship."

    Spoken like a true armchair warrior. Listen, sport, have your wife (I believe you are married) provide a video testament to your position here and then I will believe you, provided your are not coercing her in some way, shape, or form. That's how you roll.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @sabril

    Another 90 Year old virgin fundamentalist pontificating from his nursing home computer. If you ever were married I bet you were the most henpecked *****whipped husband ever with a dominating castrating shrew of a wife.

  160. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.
     
    Ya think?

    I'd go a bit further and say it's not a good idea for women to drink. That's pretty much the first bullet of "personal safety" and "rape avoidance" advice I gave my girls.

    I don't know when this idea got established that it was ok--perfectly natural--for girls to "go out drinking". The traditional advice was exactly the reverse--and correct. 95%--certainly probably more like 99%--of these confused "rape" scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Alden

    I don’t know when this idea got established that it was ok–perfectly natural–for girls to “go out drinking”. The traditional advice was exactly the reverse–and correct.

    AND we are talking about the 80s.

    Reminder to drink moderately at best and don’t pull in any other weird substances either.

  161. The arrest in France of an old 1960s-era admitted pedophile is a reminder that liberals don’t care about sexual etiquette or defending the vulnerable but only about the power an insatiable demand for equality and justice brings them.

    Police have seized underage porn from Bernard Dejager, 89, one of three pedophile “martyrs” of four decades ago who were publicly supported by the cream of the French liberal establishment, including Jean-Paul Sartre.

    One pedophile wrote in France around that time of the joys of anal sex with (very young) children; the ex-radical and current leading pundit Daniel Cohn-Bendit wrote a chapter on sexuality in children, etc..

    Now liberals have the poundmetoo movement that demands extreme sensitivity towards mature adults; then liberals said adults could have sex children who would benefit from the experience.

    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/pedopornographie-bernard-dejager-89-ans-rattrape-par-ses-demons-18-09-2018-2252294_23.php

    For the list of 60 names in the pro-pedophile petition published in Liberation in 1977 see this:

    http://www.brujitafr.fr/article-quand-kouchner-glucksmann-lang-et-toute-la-clique-des-intellectuels-de-gauche-soutenaient-des-pedoph-117468975.html

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Bill B.

    Cohn-Bendit: "It happened several times, that a few children would open the fly of my pants and begin to stroke me."

    Sick sick people.

    Replies: @Bill B., @Alden

  162. @David In TN
    @Father O'Hara

    The feminists want it both ways and every way. They brag about how "tough" they are." Then they whine about what delicate little flowers they are.

    And suppose there was a Titanic situation. The feminists would suddenly be all in favor of Male Chivalry. They would expect the men to put them on the lifeboats and go down with the ship.

    Replies: @L Woods

    And the white knights would enforce their wishes, unfortunately.

  163. @Wilkey
    1) Doesn't remember when it happened.
    2) Doesn't remember where it happened.
    3) Doesn't remember the number of attackers involved.
    4) Never pressed charges or told anyone for 30 years.
    5) Didn't mention Kavanaugh's name until he was in the news.
    6) Hardcore liberal.
    7) Writes letter to Sen. Feinstein in July
    8) Sen. Feinstein sits on letter for two months, through confirmation hearings, until just before vote.
    9) When offered chance to testify she refuses.

    Oh yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this woman...

    The Democrats are going for a twofer. They can delay Kavanaugh's confirmation , possibly (but not likley) until after the election. Also, they get to stir up the womyn's vote in the midterms. At the very least Kavanaugh may miss out on the first cases of the year, perhaps cases with serious political implications.

    I predict it will backfire. The idea of a woman with a baseless accusation being able to destroy a man with a stellar reputation will disgust a whole lot of men and even quite a few women. The huge number of female colleagues coming out in support of Kavanaugh will completely neutralize the feminist vote. And all of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we're so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.

    There are a lot of Red State Democratic senators up for reelection this year. This whole scandal will completely backfire on them, like a terrorist in a suicide vest who only manages to blow up himself.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen, @Travis, @ken, @David In TN

    “And a lot of us will be reminded of why we voted for Trump and why we’re so disgusted with the racist, sexist, heterophobic, anti-American a-holes in the Democratic Party.”

    Very well said.

  164. @Anonymous
    The kavanaugh hearings are the most embarrassing thing since my son.

    And unlike mg son, who eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of a burger king, these hearings will never go away. They will always be with us. Forever.

    Replies: @L Woods, @al gore rhythms

    What?!

  165. @22pp22
    This is a disgrace.

    This woman is full of sh1t.

    The Islamic rape Armageddon in Europe is real.

    #Metoo is silent on that and tries to give this transparent liar credibility.

    If women can so brazenly scream rape to get their own way, then the experience cannot be so traumatic.

    She is the ultimate rape-advocate.

    She and Hilary have so much in common.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Would “#Metoo” have happened if Hillary had won? Could the idea (since Trump won) have been to get the Weinstein types first and eventually catch Trump in the net, resulting in his impeachment?

    Hillary as President would have Bill Clinton as the Honored First Gentleman and Harvey Weinstein as a friend of the First Couple.

  166. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jonathan Mason

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ow84_VcYnPQ

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Love it. She sounds almost British, but I guess that is a Noo Yock accent and the pronunciation of the final ‘r’s is not British.

    My 5-year-old liked it and set the tune to her own lyrics.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jonathan Mason

    No, I heard something not traditionally New York in there too.

  167. @Rosamond Vincy
    @27 year old

    It should be, but it won't.

    Former altar boys, Olympic/MSU gymnasts, kids in Sandusky's The Second Mile program brought themselves to testify to horrible things. Many were threatened for smirching the reputations of respected, beloved figures, questioned because they spoke out years later, but they did it. As with the Cosby case, eventually enough came forward to show that there had indeed been a pattern of abuse.

    If this guy had been the local date-rapist, there'd be others and they'd be talking about it. They'd have been talking about it then. This wasn't an authority figure like a priest, a Karolyi ranch doctor, or a Penn State sports hero. He was popular and athletic, but still a teenage boy. There is no way he wouldn't have got a reputation as a creep among the local girls.

    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls' room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @AnotherDad

    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls’ room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.

    Yep. I have a very hard time believing my daughters wouldn’t know if some guy in their circle in high school was a handsy–or worse–creep.

    It’s entirely possible for this to have occurred. I.e. for some guy to do a drunken groping assault on a young woman in high school and later go on to behave appropriately with women the rest of his life.

    However, two aspects–beyond her being a good-white leftist “activist” which itself is a mental disorder–don’t ring true:

    1) If she was really traumatized for life by what she felt was “attempted rape”, then she should know every detail–when, really the exact date, but even generously at least roughly (e.g. sophomore year, in first few weeks of school), whose house, who was there, etc. etc. This would be etched in her memory, if it’s an ongoing issue in her life.

    2) Her high school friends should know. Yes, it’s not at the level she reports to police, and maybe she doesn’t want to tell her parents about it because she was drunk at a party. But all her friends would know that Kavanaugh groped and “tried to rape” her. She gets assaulted by this handsy creep and doesn’t utter a peep to warn the other girls? Where is the sisterhood?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @AnotherDad

    Now they're saying they did know.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6186079/Classmate-claims-Kavanaugh-accusers-sex-attack-claim-spoken-days-school.html

    Except she didn't tell anyone, remember?

    This is making less and less sense.

    I don't think this woman is lying. I think she's got BPD. No wonder she passed a lie detector test: she believes every word.

    They should have got hold of an ordinary liar. "Why yes, I did make out with Brett in the back seat of the car after we went to see Swamp Thing. He was alright, 'cept I never could understand why he kept calling me 'Bruce.'"

  168. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @sabril

    Yes, the fact that this came up in 'marriage counseling' is an odd detail, potentially significant.

    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn't the wife.

    Replies: @sabril, @Jonathan Mason

    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn’t the wife.

    Yes, it is usually the wife who proposes treatment for the husband’s “sex addiction”–when a bimbo erupts. In this case it might be the husband.

    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can’t get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Blasey's parents are still married and living in Potomac, Md.

    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they've been in couples therapy for years on end. And she's a clinical psychologist.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason


    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can’t get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.
     
    True. Girls from broken homes are probably in the net a bad bet--genetics and culture.

    However, the "blame their husbands for everthing" hardly takes a broken home. The message our "culture" gives women now is that if they are not haaaaappy ... it's their hubby's fault, and a divorce and a little eat, pray, love and their 160 lbs of female wonderfulness will find joy.

    Replies: @Alden

  169. @Buzz Mohawk
    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?

    Anyway, this was sat on since July, and this whole, Alinskyite attack was planned. For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose.

    What is happening now is delay, delay, delay. If Republican senators were any good at all they would ignore it -- but they are no good.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Anon

    “For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose.”

    Thanks. I made a similar observation in a previous comment.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @David In TN

    Yes. I saw the idea somewhere a while ago. Maybe it was you. Also, I've gotten that general idea from Steve's writings.

    My fanciful conspiracy theory is that Weinstein was not only expendable but also hated by many inside the MSM. Easy target.

    The Real Right needs to publicly ignore all things like MeToo. There is massive support. Established Republican leaders live in fear of the MSM and its paper mâché creations, but maybe they don't need to. This is not reality.

    Americans might support a real, gutsy turnabout as much as the Hungarians are doing. Trump's election supports this hunch.

  170. @Jonathan Mason
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Love it. She sounds almost British, but I guess that is a Noo Yock accent and the pronunciation of the final 'r's is not British.

    My 5-year-old liked it and set the tune to her own lyrics.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    No, I heard something not traditionally New York in there too.

  171. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.
     
    Ya think?

    I'd go a bit further and say it's not a good idea for women to drink. That's pretty much the first bullet of "personal safety" and "rape avoidance" advice I gave my girls.

    I don't know when this idea got established that it was ok--perfectly natural--for girls to "go out drinking". The traditional advice was exactly the reverse--and correct. 95%--certainly probably more like 99%--of these confused "rape" scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Alden

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people’s imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Jack D

    Smaller numbers of males are having larger amounts of sex.

    , @Forbes
    @Jack D


    The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.
     
    Drinking--or as I call it, self-medicating--only masks/inhibits in the here and now. Next day's hangover tends to invoke guilt in a big way. It explains all the "regret sex" occurring on college campuses when the next day guilt arrives. And the festering guilt leads to all the allegation of sexual assault/rape in the weeks and months that follow. Most women are not psychologically suited for transactional sex--the zipless fuck--the way that men are...
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it.
     
    To a certain extent yeah--because that's what "people", "the culture" tell them it's ok to do. But it's extremely bad advice for women--as all these "rape" allegations hint at.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people’s imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.
     
    1-to-1 acts, but not people

    In the old order, the general suspicion was that a typical male was likely to be a little bit more sexually experienced than the typical female because loose women/prostitutes.

    While prostitutes still exist, in the new liberated order where women are told to go out drinking and channel their inner slut, we have lots of "typical" girls who have screwed around a fair bit--for free--and a much smaller tranche of successful "player" guys with decent game who have who have mined this liberated world, six inches at a time. But the median guy now actually might have fewer sexual partners than the typical girl his age. Not sure. But there is certainly some pretty large group of guys--maybe 20-30%?--who are seeing essentially no action, because they lack the game to score in the game.

    In other words--the frequency distribution has changed. Sluttier girls, a slice of super-successful player guys, lots of depressed incel guys and delayed marriage all around. Win-win!

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    Another old codger pontificating about modern girls about whom he knows nothing

    Maybe you should ask your 30 year old grand daughters about what modern girls do.

    No wonder no men younger than 60 post on this senior citizen site.

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    Oh yeah, like men never approach women unless they are drunk. If a women wants sex all she has to do is leave her house and she’ll be approached by some horny beast.

    No need to go to a bar and or get drunk.
    If you were my elderly father in law I’d never let you be alone with my daughters.

  172. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    Smaller numbers of males are having larger amounts of sex.

  173. Another crazy bitch is heard from: Ford Classmate Claims Kavanaugh Incident Happened, Then Deletes Facebook Post.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/ford-classmate-claims-kavanaugh-incident-happened-then-deletes-facebook-post/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    "The Kavanaugh Incident"

    Sounds like something Robert Ludlum might come up with,

    , @MEH 0910
    @Jim Don Bob

    https://twitter.com/jaybookmanajc/status/1042386834284789760

    https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1042496558535770120

    https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1042490079799902208

    , @Alden
    @Jim Don Bob

    Classmate immediately retracted when she realized she’d have to answer questions such as; What year did this happen? Where did this happen?

  174. @HenryA
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing of the sort happened. She was quite nice and seemed to take a genuine interest in what a geeky 21 year old had to say.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Sarcasm alert. Dad was just funnin’. You don’t get out much do you.

  175. @AnotherDad
    @Rosamond Vincy


    If Ford had been isolated and unpopular, maybe she would be afraid the MeanGirls would just blame her and call her a sl√t, but she was not. I remember those conversations in the girls’ room, at sleepovers, and over the phone, and I was hardly a social butterfly. Not wanting to have her parents know she was drinking rings true, but not confiding in any of her friends that a boy acted like an @$$#0/3 does not.
     
    Yep. I have a very hard time believing my daughters wouldn't know if some guy in their circle in high school was a handsy--or worse--creep.

    It's entirely possible for this to have occurred. I.e. for some guy to do a drunken groping assault on a young woman in high school and later go on to behave appropriately with women the rest of his life.

    However, two aspects--beyond her being a good-white leftist "activist" which itself is a mental disorder--don't ring true:

    1) If she was really traumatized for life by what she felt was "attempted rape", then she should know every detail--when, really the exact date, but even generously at least roughly (e.g. sophomore year, in first few weeks of school), whose house, who was there, etc. etc. This would be etched in her memory, if it's an ongoing issue in her life.

    2) Her high school friends should know. Yes, it's not at the level she reports to police, and maybe she doesn't want to tell her parents about it because she was drunk at a party. But all her friends would know that Kavanaugh groped and "tried to rape" her. She gets assaulted by this handsy creep and doesn't utter a peep to warn the other girls? Where is the sisterhood?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Now they’re saying they did know.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6186079/Classmate-claims-Kavanaugh-accusers-sex-attack-claim-spoken-days-school.html

    Except she didn’t tell anyone, remember?

    This is making less and less sense.

    I don’t think this woman is lying. I think she’s got BPD. No wonder she passed a lie detector test: she believes every word.

    They should have got hold of an ordinary liar. “Why yes, I did make out with Brett in the back seat of the car after we went to see Swamp Thing. He was alright, ‘cept I never could understand why he kept calling me ‘Bruce.’”

  176. @David In TN
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose."

    Thanks. I made a similar observation in a previous comment.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes. I saw the idea somewhere a while ago. Maybe it was you. Also, I’ve gotten that general idea from Steve’s writings.

    My fanciful conspiracy theory is that Weinstein was not only expendable but also hated by many inside the MSM. Easy target.

    The Real Right needs to publicly ignore all things like MeToo. There is massive support. Established Republican leaders live in fear of the MSM and its paper mâché creations, but maybe they don’t need to. This is not reality.

    Americans might support a real, gutsy turnabout as much as the Hungarians are doing. Trump’s election supports this hunch.

  177. Has something happened to Tiny Duck?

    We need his input on this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Precious

    Some say he's now working dayshifts on BLACKED. Franky. I think it's an unfounded rumor.


    Also, RT is undiplomatic: Old, unproven, timed to ruin: Kavanaugh accusations perfect example of all that’s wrong with #MeToo

  178. @JimB
    @Thomas


    They’re already laying groundwork on a talking point about how “trauma” can supposedly affect memory, such that the details of the actual traumatic event are super-clear but the other details are vague and hazy. I often listen to NPR on the way to and from work (know your enemy), and they had some quack psychologist on All Things Considered making this very claim.
     
    Yes, but as per her testimony, her clothes weren't removed, she sustained no bruises or broken bones, and she wasn't threatened with death - or rape for that matter. Her assailant locked the door? With someone in the room who wasn't explicitly in on a conspiracy to rape? Also, why would a rapist grope a woman through her clothes? Why wouldn't he just tear them off? Was he checking to confirm her identity as a hefty female and not a transvestite? I call BS. The story stinks. She is a dirty liar.

    Replies: @Thomas

    How about how two teenage boys whom she describes as “stumbling drunk,” as so drunk they couldn’t even complete their alleged attempted assault, having the presence of mind to lock her in the room and turn up music so no one could hear her yelling? “Haven” Kavanaugh seems to have the ability to go from stumbling blackout drunk to cunning premeditated rapist at the drop of a hat. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Thomas

    Good point. Just how incapacitated was he?

    Speaking of which, never make out with a stoner, especially if he wants Dark Side of the Moon as the background music.

    , @JimB
    @Thomas

    Well, perhaps someone did assault her, but it wasn’t Kavanaugh. Besides, what was she doing at that party? As per her yearbook, Holton Arms had a dominant heavy drinking hookup culture. In her yearbook photos, Ford looks visibly stoned.

    http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1

    At worst this is another mattress girl tale. Ford had a bad consensual experience but now wants it classified as a rape.

    Or she’s just making up shit, which I believe most likely.

    Replies: @Alden

  179. @Mr. Anon
    @Thomas


    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.)
     
    I think the Democrats are also hoping for a replay of the Anita Hill show in 1991 - a bunch of old white Republican men "blaming the victim" in order to help get out the vote, and create another "year of the woman". They're counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Thomas, @Alden

    If this thing does come to a hearing and the Republicans are smart, they’ll keep it in a closed session and delegate the questioning to a female committee counsel. But then, I did just use “Republicans” and “smart” in the same sentence, didn’t I?

  180. @Jim Don Bob
    Another crazy bitch is heard from: Ford Classmate Claims Kavanaugh Incident Happened, Then Deletes Facebook Post.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/ford-classmate-claims-kavanaugh-incident-happened-then-deletes-facebook-post/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910, @Alden

    “The Kavanaugh Incident”

    Sounds like something Robert Ludlum might come up with,

  181. @Jonathan Mason
    @Henry's Cat


    But was it established that Harris hadn’t been on ‘It’s a Knockout’ in 1975? Had there been such a show in Cambridge that year
     
    No, there was no such show. Information on this type of thing is readily available at the IDMb Website.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0365271/


    You want to look at the 186 TV credits list under "self", where you will see the episodes of Star Games listed under 1978.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Henry's Cat


    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?
     
    No, the jury found him guilty of that charge. That is what is so remarkable. His defense did a pathetic job and as I recall his defense lawyer quit near the end of the case, supposedly due to poor health.

    Anyway you can read all about the trial on Wikipedia.

    Replies: @anon

  182. @Thomas
    @JimB

    How about how two teenage boys whom she describes as “stumbling drunk,” as so drunk they couldn’t even complete their alleged attempted assault, having the presence of mind to lock her in the room and turn up music so no one could hear her yelling? “Haven” Kavanaugh seems to have the ability to go from stumbling blackout drunk to cunning premeditated rapist at the drop of a hat. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @JimB

    Good point. Just how incapacitated was he?

    Speaking of which, never make out with a stoner, especially if he wants Dark Side of the Moon as the background music.

  183. I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    • Replies: @Precious
    @Lefty

    I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    The FBI is too busy declassifying Comey and McCabe texts right now, and after that they pre-booked an investigation into Keith Ellison to find out just how much he likes to beat his girlfriends. So Kavanaugh will just have to be confirmed without input from the FBI.

    Maybe next time. No promises though.

    , @Jack D
    @Lefty

    Not long enough. The FBI needs to investigate this until January 20 in order to really get to the bottom of it. January 20, 2021. You really can't rush an investigation over such an important matter.

    , @Forbes
    @Lefty

    Well, the FBI did look into it. There's no there, there. You can't investigate what doesn't exist. There's no time and place of the incident. There's no formal complaint. The statue of limitations expired. You can't investigate vagueness. Justice demands that fishing expeditions aren't a method of investigation. Besides, teenage horse-play isn't a crime.

    The FBI isn't the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

    As some wag said, "life is just high school writ large." I'm beginning to think middle school.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  184. https://twitter.com/jaybookmanajc/status/1042386834284789760

  185. @Jim Don Bob
    Another crazy bitch is heard from: Ford Classmate Claims Kavanaugh Incident Happened, Then Deletes Facebook Post.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/ford-classmate-claims-kavanaugh-incident-happened-then-deletes-facebook-post/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910, @Alden

    https://twitter.com/jaybookmanajc/status/1042386834284789760

  186. @Cagey Beast
    @27 year old

    No, Boethiuss is right; the best way for the Republicans to handle this is to gently guide the lady professor to the exit and call a cab for her. Attacking her only turns this into a victory for the other side.

    Replies: @Dannyboy

    Could we please stop calling this vindictive, mentally-ill Leftist slut a “lady”?

    Thanks in advance.

  187. @Jonathan Mason
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn’t the wife.
     
    Yes, it is usually the wife who proposes treatment for the husband's "sex addiction"--when a bimbo erupts. In this case it might be the husband.

    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can't get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad

    Blasey’s parents are still married and living in Potomac, Md.

    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they’ve been in couples therapy for years on end. And she’s a clinical psychologist.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Art Deco


    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they’ve been in couples therapy for years on end. And she’s a clinical psychologist.
     
    The simple fact that they live better than 99.99% of the people on Earth and that still wasn't enough shows exactly how insane these people and their backers are.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    Most psychologists don’t consider years of therapy a sign of dysfunction any more than a priest would consider years of confession in that manner.

    To some extent that take is a natural way to keep the work coming in, but I get the sense that most hold it in earnest.

    I’m still assuming that she’s likely to make life miserable for them both, but not because they’re in therapy.

  188. @Colin Wright
    @Forbes

    'Frankly, there’s no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford’s imagination.'

    There's also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later. I think consenting teens were running wild in the absence of any adult supervision. Happily, no harm came of it.

    I mean seriously...thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.

    Replies: @sabril, @Forbes

    I mean seriously…thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.

    Probably having posted here is enough to sink your nomination.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @sabril

    "You referred to yourself as a *adjusts glasses* "gay Nazi bodybuilder" on fringe blog iSteve dawt com. How do you answer these charges?"

    "I for one, am shocked at the homophobia on display here."

  189. Jack Hanson says:

    My guess is if this woman does show up (looking incredibly less likely with each day) its going to be 100% theatrics with her screaming ‘I was raped” into the mike in response to every question or doing it Lois Lerner style where she reads a statement and then pleads the 5th the whole time.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  190. Anonymous [AKA "Wholly Smoke"] says:

    “Innocent men rarely face rape charges — Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].”

    Can you imagine hiring a lawyer and successfully clearing your name for less money than several mortgage payments?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Guys who know absolutely nothing about the criminal justice system, investigations and rape should shut up
    and stop posting their ignorance

    False rape accusations don’t get to court because the detectives investigate and conclude nothing happened.

    It never gets to the district attorney. No charges are filed. Most criminal charges are settled without going to a trial. The attorneys comprise and defendant pleas to a lesser charge.

    The detectives both men and women get rid of the false rape accusations.

    You have no idea of the evidence needed to file a criminal charge.

    You probably think a woman goes to the DAs office, makes a claim, the man is immediately arrested without an investigation and there’s a jury trial next week

    The investigating detectives exonerate the men falsely accused of rape. No need to file charges Most false rape claims are so ridiculous the detectives don’t believe the accusation from the first.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  191. @Lefty
    I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    Replies: @Precious, @Jack D, @Forbes

    I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    The FBI is too busy declassifying Comey and McCabe texts right now, and after that they pre-booked an investigation into Keith Ellison to find out just how much he likes to beat his girlfriends. So Kavanaugh will just have to be confirmed without input from the FBI.

    Maybe next time. No promises though.

  192. @Precious
    Has something happened to Tiny Duck?

    We need his input on this.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Some say he’s now working dayshifts on BLACKED. Franky. I think it’s an unfounded rumor.

    Also, RT is undiplomatic: Old, unproven, timed to ruin: Kavanaugh accusations perfect example of all that’s wrong with #MeToo

  193. Back in the 80s, Christine checks out Brett’s locker. What she discovers will forever change her life. Luckily, the she has the correct reflexes, which will come in handy in 30 years time:

  194. @El Dato
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jR-OCl4rG0

    From earlier:

    2016-11-02: Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven't The Media Covered It? There are two big reasons.

    What happened to to the rape accusation against Gérard Depardieu, btw?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Alden

    Via Yandex Translate here are the words to that video:

    Text:
    I stayed home, didn’t go out.
    The boy from the army was waiting for
    And my neighbor and my neighbor
    Us on birthday called

    We got acquainted, played cards (Fuit-Ha!)
    And I drank vodka for the first time
    A few drinks is a lot of, like,
    Here hysterical and began

    Not colored roses, passion, innocence, tears
    Girls should not be naive
    Not colored roses, not colored roses
    Never drink vodka

    We’re meeting downstairs.
    Where sauna, pool table
    Play loud music already
    I didn’t understand what was happening.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes. The material is actually from a Russian talk show. If I understand correctly, the young lady says she got seriously groped. The young lad is now in prison (because underage rape). During the talk show, she is made to defend herself against accusations from the lad's sister / mother / the public while others take her side. You know the drill. The girl is really a great, she seems to re-engineer herself between episodes to achieve effect, likely with coaching from her mother. I wouldn't want to fight her in court.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  195. Suppose hypothetically that this accusation is 50% true. If every man who ever tried to feel up a girl in high school or college and got rejected was disqualified, who would be left? The president would have to nominate a homosexual or another woman. That would make the Democrats happy.

  196. @Colin Wright
    @Forbes

    'Frankly, there’s no evidence that the alleged incident occurs anywhere but in Ms. Ford’s imagination.'

    There's also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later. I think consenting teens were running wild in the absence of any adult supervision. Happily, no harm came of it.

    I mean seriously...thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.

    Replies: @sabril, @Forbes

    There’s also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later.

    It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to “pin” the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn’t beat them, or do “that” to them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Forbes

    'It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to “pin” the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn’t beat them, or do “that” to them.'

    Indeedero. One aspect of the modern world I get tired of is people publically crying about this or that -- precisely because this or that was almost impossibly trivial.

    We get female graduate students -- seriously -- crying about how Professor Pathetic-Middle-Aged-Man-trying-to-get-laid touched their arm. We get Obama talking about how he was a victim of racism -- a security guard followed him around a store.

    Meantime, we've got my life -- which I am not about to relate to you. Then I've heard people relate tales compared to which my own experiences are good clean fun. Ever seen an animal that has been seriously hurt?

    It does not make noise. People are the same way. These absurd whiners make me want to barf. Get down on your knees and thank GOD that's all that's happened to you. You have no fucking idea how lucky you are.

    So Kavanaugh was -- at worst -- clumsily trying to get laid at seventeen. I would hope so.

    He backed off, didn't he? What's the problem? Grow up. Try reading about how Australian Aborigines break 'em in or something.

    , @Alden
    @Forbes

    Sounds like some stupid fantasy of yours. Boys like to wrestle with boys. Girls hate wrestling.
    It never happened. There was no party. She’s lying.

  197. @Boethiuss
    @Anon


    Because Kavanaugh was going to make abortion illegal, and she just had to do something, anything, to make sure that didn’t happen. If you had the chance to make sure HITLER didn’t get appointed as a life-long Supreme Court Justice, wouldn’t you do it?
     
    Well yeah, that's why we have to keep this around for a few days at least. Give this woman a fair chance to state her case if she wants. That way we give the rest of America the chance to connect the dots for themselves.

    And along those lines, this is the best news for the November Senate elections we've seen in a while. "The Democratic Party used to be the party of fairness. But not any more. If you're a white guy and you don't support the Democrats, there is no fairness for you."

    Replies: @Forbes

    If you’re a white guy and you don’t support the Democrats, there is no fairness for you.”

    FIFY.

  198. • Replies: @El Dato
    @MEH 0910

    Just Wow at that letter by Chuck Grassley

    (Also, Twitter is compressed mental illness. It's as if a million emotionally disturbed sleep-deprived persons started arguing with each other, but the air wouldn't carry a sound. I fear something terrible has been built.)

    , @Forbes
    @MEH 0910

    As if more evidence was necessary to demonstrate this is a political hit job.

  199. Anonymous [AKA "Ron Funyunz"] says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    "And then he ravaged my fair, white, lithe, teenaged body, right there on the bed, with Journey playing and everything." Yeah, I think we got this one figured out.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Disallow its motherfucking leg

  200. @Cagey Beast
    @El Dato

    Via Yandex Translate here are the words to that video:


    Text:
    I stayed home, didn't go out.
    The boy from the army was waiting for
    And my neighbor and my neighbor
    Us on birthday called

    We got acquainted, played cards (Fuit-Ha!)
    And I drank vodka for the first time
    A few drinks is a lot of, like,
    Here hysterical and began

    Not colored roses, passion, innocence, tears
    Girls should not be naive
    Not colored roses, not colored roses
    Never drink vodka

    We're meeting downstairs.
    Where sauna, pool table
    Play loud music already
    I didn't understand what was happening.
     

    Replies: @El Dato

    Yes. The material is actually from a Russian talk show. If I understand correctly, the young lady says she got seriously groped. The young lad is now in prison (because underage rape). During the talk show, she is made to defend herself against accusations from the lad’s sister / mother / the public while others take her side. You know the drill. The girl is really a great, she seems to re-engineer herself between episodes to achieve effect, likely with coaching from her mother. I wouldn’t want to fight her in court.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @El Dato

    She's a cutie. I hope her appearance in the vest and blue blouse was after the one with her sporting a rocker look. It would be amusing if she looked more like an innocent schoolgirl as it went on.

    It reminds me of that comment by Oscar Levant: "I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin".

  201. @sabril
    @PhysicistDave

    It's not a good idea for anyone to get drunk at social events. Unless they can live with having vague memories of various sexual adventures and misadventures.

    Replies: @Forbes

    having vague memories of various sexual adventures and misadventures.

    Isn’t that the whole point (and fun) of getting drunk at social events (when you’re young)?

    Of course, getting so drunk that you have a vague memory means you were so physically incapacitated that you couldn’t do much of anything, aside from misadventure (falling down).

  202. @El Dato
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes. The material is actually from a Russian talk show. If I understand correctly, the young lady says she got seriously groped. The young lad is now in prison (because underage rape). During the talk show, she is made to defend herself against accusations from the lad's sister / mother / the public while others take her side. You know the drill. The girl is really a great, she seems to re-engineer herself between episodes to achieve effect, likely with coaching from her mother. I wouldn't want to fight her in court.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    She’s a cutie. I hope her appearance in the vest and blue blouse was after the one with her sporting a rocker look. It would be amusing if she looked more like an innocent schoolgirl as it went on.

    It reminds me of that comment by Oscar Levant: “I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin”.

  203. @Lefty
    I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    Replies: @Precious, @Jack D, @Forbes

    Not long enough. The FBI needs to investigate this until January 20 in order to really get to the bottom of it. January 20, 2021. You really can’t rush an investigation over such an important matter.

  204. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Drinking–or as I call it, self-medicating–only masks/inhibits in the here and now. Next day’s hangover tends to invoke guilt in a big way. It explains all the “regret sex” occurring on college campuses when the next day guilt arrives. And the festering guilt leads to all the allegation of sexual assault/rape in the weeks and months that follow. Most women are not psychologically suited for transactional sex–the zipless fuck–the way that men are…

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  205. @27 year old
    @Boethiuss


    It depends on the state of the facts and what can be substantiated at that time.
     
    It depends on how the events are spun and presented to the public

    Replies: @Forbes

    Facts don’t matter as there aren’t any.

  206. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/senjudiciary/status/1042534223347953664

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    Just Wow at that letter by Chuck Grassley

    (Also, Twitter is compressed mental illness. It’s as if a million emotionally disturbed sleep-deprived persons started arguing with each other, but the air wouldn’t carry a sound. I fear something terrible has been built.)

  207. @Lefty
    I think it would be a good idea for the FBI to investigate. Give them two weeks.

    Replies: @Precious, @Jack D, @Forbes

    Well, the FBI did look into it. There’s no there, there. You can’t investigate what doesn’t exist. There’s no time and place of the incident. There’s no formal complaint. The statue of limitations expired. You can’t investigate vagueness. Justice demands that fishing expeditions aren’t a method of investigation. Besides, teenage horse-play isn’t a crime.

    The FBI isn’t the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

    As some wag said, “life is just high school writ large.” I’m beginning to think middle school.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Forbes


    As some wag said, “life is just high school writ large.” I’m beginning to think middle school.
     
    The joke's on me. I thought adulthood would be so awesome when I was a kid. Then I spent my undergrad days living like an old man, even though the campus bar that was known to serve underage was located on the next block.

    Now I'm doing the Peter Pan thing since the Brave New USSA doesn't have much use for folks like me.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  208. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it.

    To a certain extent yeah–because that’s what “people”, “the culture” tell them it’s ok to do. But it’s extremely bad advice for women–as all these “rape” allegations hint at.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people’s imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    1-to-1 acts, but not people

    In the old order, the general suspicion was that a typical male was likely to be a little bit more sexually experienced than the typical female because loose women/prostitutes.

    While prostitutes still exist, in the new liberated order where women are told to go out drinking and channel their inner slut, we have lots of “typical” girls who have screwed around a fair bit–for free–and a much smaller tranche of successful “player” guys with decent game who have who have mined this liberated world, six inches at a time. But the median guy now actually might have fewer sexual partners than the typical girl his age. Not sure. But there is certainly some pretty large group of guys–maybe 20-30%?–who are seeing essentially no action, because they lack the game to score in the game.

    In other words–the frequency distribution has changed. Sluttier girls, a slice of super-successful player guys, lots of depressed incel guys and delayed marriage all around. Win-win!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    You claim to be married but your:

    1. Ignorance of women

    2 Hatred of women

    Leads me to believe you either gay or so sexually repressed you’ve never even had a date let aline a relationship with a woman.

    Your comments don’t come from real life association with women but those We Hate Women Because We Can’t Get Laid And Men Shouldn’t Have To Support Their Children websites.

    Get out and meet some women and get a life.

  209. @Jonathan Mason
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    I wonder who suggests marriage counseling? I mean in the 1/100 instances it isn’t the wife.
     
    Yes, it is usually the wife who proposes treatment for the husband's "sex addiction"--when a bimbo erupts. In this case it might be the husband.

    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can't get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad

    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can’t get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.

    True. Girls from broken homes are probably in the net a bad bet–genetics and culture.

    However, the “blame their husbands for everthing” hardly takes a broken home. The message our “culture” gives women now is that if they are not haaaaappy … it’s their hubby’s fault, and a divorce and a little eat, pray, love and their 160 lbs of female wonderfulness will find joy.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Do you tell your wife how much you hate women?

    90 percent of your posts are a variation of I hate women. Women are bad and ugly and nasty and undesirable and men shouldn’t have to support the children.

    Maybe you could make comments other than stupid generalizations about women. Your ignorance about women makes it hard for me to believe your married.

  210. @Twinkie
    @NickG


    Kavanaugh should be confirmed without further delay.
     
    Y.E.S.

    I saw the interview with Ford's attorney on CNN: https://youtu.be/J3wlmbbBbAc

    She seemed to be laughing nervously at her own story, as if to say, "Are you really going to buy what I am selling?"

    So, let me get this straight. Ford wanted to torpedo Kavanaugh's confirmation anonymously. There is no corroborating witness to this accusation (the only supposed witness denies it). She doesn't know when this took place. There is no indication of the identity of the alleged assailant in the therapist's notes, which she put forth like it's the Gospel. She drank that night, but she's sure it's him. Women who knew and dated him around that time says he'd been nothing but gentlemanly and kind. But, of course, she wrote the anonymous letter, because she wants to do her "civic duty." Now that she has to put her name and face on the record - and under 0ath - she says, "Er, no thank you. I think the FBI should investigate this." Investigate what? There is not a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind here. All we have are her anonymous words.

    Here is my accusation. I would like Senator Feinstein to be investigated by the FBI, because she lied about her past. She's a violent criminal who should not be in the Senate! 30 years ago, she tried to push me down the stairs in a building somewhere, but stumbled and fell. Sure, I didn't get hurt, but that's attempted assault! I could've broken my neck and died if she had succeeded! I don't remember when this was. I don't have any witness or material evidence, and most certainly I will totally cooperate with law enforcement, but will NOT ever discuss this under oath. But, darn it I am a victim and should be believed!

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @midtown, @TTSSYF, @Inquiring Mind, @ic1000, @TheBoom

    I call BS. She couldn’t have tried to assault you because, when I lived in San Francisco, Feinstein tried to run me over in a car when I was crossing the street near her mansion. I told my wife about this during the divorce proceedings as the reason I didn’t pick her up at the airport like I promised. So, I have proof even though she can’t remember me saying it. I don’t remember when this happened and only saw Feinstein’s Chinese driver but I know for certain it was her and, since it could have happened at the same time as your alleged assault, yours probably didn’t happen.

  211. @Forbes
    @Colin Wright


    There’s also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later.
     
    It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to "pin" the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn't beat them, or do "that" to them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

    ‘It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to “pin” the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn’t beat them, or do “that” to them.’

    Indeedero. One aspect of the modern world I get tired of is people publically crying about this or that — precisely because this or that was almost impossibly trivial.

    We get female graduate students — seriously — crying about how Professor Pathetic-Middle-Aged-Man-trying-to-get-laid touched their arm. We get Obama talking about how he was a victim of racism — a security guard followed him around a store.

    Meantime, we’ve got my life — which I am not about to relate to you. Then I’ve heard people relate tales compared to which my own experiences are good clean fun. Ever seen an animal that has been seriously hurt?

    It does not make noise. People are the same way. These absurd whiners make me want to barf. Get down on your knees and thank GOD that’s all that’s happened to you. You have no fucking idea how lucky you are.

    So Kavanaugh was — at worst — clumsily trying to get laid at seventeen. I would hope so.

    He backed off, didn’t he? What’s the problem? Grow up. Try reading about how Australian Aborigines break ’em in or something.

  212. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/senjudiciary/status/1042534223347953664

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    As if more evidence was necessary to demonstrate this is a political hit job.

  213. @sabril
    @Colin Wright


    I mean seriously…thinking about various incidents of my childhood and adolescence here. I think I can pretty much forget about that Supreme Court seat for myself.
     
    Probably having posted here is enough to sink your nomination.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    “You referred to yourself as a *adjusts glasses* “gay Nazi bodybuilder” on fringe blog iSteve dawt com. How do you answer these charges?”

    “I for one, am shocked at the homophobia on display here.”

  214. @Boethiuss
    @L Woods


    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.
     
    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There's limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Jack Hanson, @Colin Wright, @ben tillman

    ‘…This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There’s limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach…’

    People — and female people, particularly — always have an impulse to control whatever in our nature is most uncontrollable.

    …and of course sexual desire is about as uncontrollable as it gets. Skip the graphic proof — think about it. It’s so.

    So of course we periodically have to go through these attempts to corral sex. Ironically, that just about every conceivable abomination has now been declared legitimate only adds fuel to the fire. Somehow, it all has to be reined in.

    People — female people, particularly — are always going to feel compelled to do this.

    For good reason, perhaps. But it’s tedious, and nothing has been offered up that suggests Kavanaugh wouldn’t make a mighty fine Supreme Court Justice.

  215. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Blasey's parents are still married and living in Potomac, Md.

    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they've been in couples therapy for years on end. And she's a clinical psychologist.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius

    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they’ve been in couples therapy for years on end. And she’s a clinical psychologist.

    The simple fact that they live better than 99.99% of the people on Earth and that still wasn’t enough shows exactly how insane these people and their backers are.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The material can never satisfy when the spirit is missing.

  216. It’s shocking how flimsy a story can be to derail a SC confirmation. Will the Repubs have the gonads to try it when the shoe is on the other foot?

  217. @Forbes
    @Lefty

    Well, the FBI did look into it. There's no there, there. You can't investigate what doesn't exist. There's no time and place of the incident. There's no formal complaint. The statue of limitations expired. You can't investigate vagueness. Justice demands that fishing expeditions aren't a method of investigation. Besides, teenage horse-play isn't a crime.

    The FBI isn't the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

    As some wag said, "life is just high school writ large." I'm beginning to think middle school.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    As some wag said, “life is just high school writ large.” I’m beginning to think middle school.

    The joke’s on me. I thought adulthood would be so awesome when I was a kid. Then I spent my undergrad days living like an old man, even though the campus bar that was known to serve underage was located on the next block.

    Now I’m doing the Peter Pan thing since the Brave New USSA doesn’t have much use for folks like me.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    There are more manly options on the local level, but I get where you’re coming from.

    Nobody’s minding the moral hazard store.

  218. @ken
    @Wilkey

    You could be right. Many of the married suburban white women will look at their husbands and realize a single spurious claim from years ago could sink their lives and careers.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @scrivener3

    A 35 year old accusation against some average joe will not destroy his life. Law enforcement would have no interest in it, even in a State with no statue of limitations on sex crimes if the complainant refused to testify under oath or before a grand jury that would be the end of it.

    This is a unique hothouse flower supported by our media establishment.Or if somehow it got traction on social media, a one in a million chance.

    law enforcement would have no interest i it

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @scrivener3

    "A 35 year old accusation against some average joe will not destroy his life"

    The point is that Kavanaugh has led a life pretty much free of blemish. By any objective standard he has earned this nomination. Plenty of men and women understand how unfair it is to deny someone a job due to character assassination.

  219. Evidence is a White and male thing. Or something.

  220. @advancedatheist
    "Martine" Rothblatt checks several of the dysfunction boxes of modernity. Setting aside his Jewishness as something outside of his volition, Martin fathered a kid with a black Kenyan woman, then he married an American black woman and fathered more racially mixed children with her. Then he decided that he had always felt like a girl on the inside, and he announced that he would "transition" to a woman.

    And that doesn't even cover his transhumanist nuttiness. He didn't have to do any of these things, and it looks like he has gone out of his way to stand out as a crank and a degenerate.

    Replies: @academic gossip

    I have a pet theory that would explain the late-onset M2F tranny phenomenon that Steve writes about: male Histrionic Personality Disorder (which is uncommon in heterosexual men) with low-level autism as the underlying cause.

    The DSM “cluster B” disorders involving low empathy (HPD, NPD, BPD, ASPD), and usually above average intelligence, have a variety of symptoms resembling low-level autism, and are heritable and probably neurological. I suspect autism is behind all of these disorders and which specific cluster B manifestations appear is determined by life history, hormone levels and other mostly non-neurological factors. It is known that these disorders tend not to go away, but co-occur and are somewhat mutable and can interconvert, like one Thing that can show itself with different faces.

    Start with an Aspergery male, especially one with a drive toward success, adulation, dominance, or attention (Jenner, Rothblatt). They might fully qualify for a cluster B diagnosis like NPD, but that’s not required. Add in hormonal changes in mid-life and the autism-manifestation morphs into the attention-seeking HPD behavior. They want to be gay or dress up or whatever, but autistically push it to the extreme of being a transsexual, in line with their lifelong tendency to push to the limit in all things.

    Software industry trannies also fit the autist pattern.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @academic gossip

    "Low empathy" might be a common characteristic in these late onset M to F types, and why it's more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he's going to be a woman.

    It's a little bit like converting to Islam: it's kind of a right of center thing.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @academic gossip

    , @Anonymous
    @academic gossip

    I met several of what appeared to be software industry trannies (all M to F) at the Kansasfest (an Apple II and general vintage computer gathering actually held in the State of Missouri) a couple of years ago. The belle of the ball, blogger and game developer Quinn Dunki, does appear to be a RG though.

    (Real Girl, not a retractible gear Cessna single. A common term in old drag queen and disco circles-the liner notes on the first Blondie album reference it, perhaps ironically.)

    , @academic gossip
    @academic gossip

    Another correlation with autism: in his latest (22 Sept) article on dysgenics Lance Welton points out that 36 percent of M2F transsexuals are left-handed.

  221. @L Woods
    @Boethiuss

    Where we stand at the moment is a result of generations of "conservatives" tripping over themselves to play into the enemy's frame. This is why we've been losing inexorably for the better part of the last century.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The irony of course that Kav himself shows every sign of being an uber White Knight.

    One man at a time I guess.

  222. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Forbes


    As some wag said, “life is just high school writ large.” I’m beginning to think middle school.
     
    The joke's on me. I thought adulthood would be so awesome when I was a kid. Then I spent my undergrad days living like an old man, even though the campus bar that was known to serve underage was located on the next block.

    Now I'm doing the Peter Pan thing since the Brave New USSA doesn't have much use for folks like me.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    There are more manly options on the local level, but I get where you’re coming from.

    Nobody’s minding the moral hazard store.

  223. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Blasey's parents are still married and living in Potomac, Md.

    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they've been in couples therapy for years on end. And she's a clinical psychologist.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Desiderius

    Most psychologists don’t consider years of therapy a sign of dysfunction any more than a priest would consider years of confession in that manner.

    To some extent that take is a natural way to keep the work coming in, but I get the sense that most hold it in earnest.

    I’m still assuming that she’s likely to make life miserable for them both, but not because they’re in therapy.

  224. @academic gossip
    @advancedatheist

    I have a pet theory that would explain the late-onset M2F tranny phenomenon that Steve writes about: male Histrionic Personality Disorder (which is uncommon in heterosexual men) with low-level autism as the underlying cause.

    The DSM "cluster B" disorders involving low empathy (HPD, NPD, BPD, ASPD), and usually above average intelligence, have a variety of symptoms resembling low-level autism, and are heritable and probably neurological. I suspect autism is behind all of these disorders and which specific cluster B manifestations appear is determined by life history, hormone levels and other mostly non-neurological factors. It is known that these disorders tend not to go away, but co-occur and are somewhat mutable and can interconvert, like one Thing that can show itself with different faces.

    Start with an Aspergery male, especially one with a drive toward success, adulation, dominance, or attention (Jenner, Rothblatt). They might fully qualify for a cluster B diagnosis like NPD, but that's not required. Add in hormonal changes in mid-life and the autism-manifestation morphs into the attention-seeking HPD behavior. They want to be gay or dress up or whatever, but autistically push it to the extreme of being a transsexual, in line with their lifelong tendency to push to the limit in all things.

    Software industry trannies also fit the autist pattern.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @academic gossip

    “Low empathy” might be a common characteristic in these late onset M to F types, and why it’s more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he’s going to be a woman.

    It’s a little bit like converting to Islam: it’s kind of a right of center thing.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    @Steve Sailer

    The Pritzker heir who sex-changed also fits this. Army lieutenant colonel who collected thousand of toy soldiers and set them up in battles.

    You had mentioned that some of these cases are uber-masculine before the onset. If the gorilla masculinity is done as a mode of attention- or dominance-seeking that would match the idea of a cluster B substratum.

    , @academic gossip
    @Steve Sailer


    more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he’s going to be a woman.
     
    There's also less shock and attention value in it if you're already that close to being a female.

    The LA news helicopter guy (Tur) was in a job that combines macho techno-gadgetry and being a center of attention.

    An odd connection is that Nazism also had the military-technophile-autist tendency fused with pageantry. I could see a current year Oswald Mosely (2 wives, 5 kids) following in the Pritzker/Tur mold.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  225. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.
     
    Ya think?

    I'd go a bit further and say it's not a good idea for women to drink. That's pretty much the first bullet of "personal safety" and "rape avoidance" advice I gave my girls.

    I don't know when this idea got established that it was ok--perfectly natural--for girls to "go out drinking". The traditional advice was exactly the reverse--and correct. 95%--certainly probably more like 99%--of these confused "rape" scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Alden

    There was a date rape drug craze a few years ago where lots of women were claiming to have woken up having been drugged and raped. I remember one medical professional who dealt with victims saying the only drug ever found in their systems was alcohol. And the sex was probably consensual in all cases.

  226. @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?

    No, the jury found him guilty of that charge. That is what is so remarkable. His defense did a pathetic job and as I recall his defense lawyer quit near the end of the case, supposedly due to poor health.

    Anyway you can read all about the trial on Wikipedia.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Harris was a weirdo who led a charmed life.
    Originally a champion swimmer in Western Australia, he moved into the entertainment industry in the Fifties.
    After his conviction, a number of women in the industry came forward to say his gropey behaviour was an open secret for years. He had a sense of Noblesse Oblige.

    If Kavanaugh doesn't get up, and the allegations are factual, then others will come forward.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  227. His memory of the incident cannot be any better, especially if it never happened.

  228. The Pritzker heir who sex-changed also fits this. Army lieutenant colonel who collected thousand of toy soldiers and set them up in battles.

    You had mentioned that some of these cases are uber-masculine before the onset. If done as a mode of attention- or dominance-seeking that would match the idea of a cluster B substratum..

  229. @Steve Sailer
    @academic gossip

    "Low empathy" might be a common characteristic in these late onset M to F types, and why it's more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he's going to be a woman.

    It's a little bit like converting to Islam: it's kind of a right of center thing.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @academic gossip

    The Pritzker heir who sex-changed also fits this. Army lieutenant colonel who collected thousand of toy soldiers and set them up in battles.

    You had mentioned that some of these cases are uber-masculine before the onset. If the gorilla masculinity is done as a mode of attention- or dominance-seeking that would match the idea of a cluster B substratum.

  230. @candid_observer
    @Boethiuss

    I don't see the Democrats as having much decision power here over whether she testifies.

    My guess from what I've read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don't want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    It's impossible of course from the outside to know just what it is that would trip her up, but that seems like the most reasonable conjecture.

    The plans of the Democrats will have to take a back seat under these circumstances.

    Replies: @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.

    I don’t know what they know, but I know what I know, and that’s that she deleted her social media presence recently.

    That fact changes the cross from something that needs to be handled delicately to something where you just go balls to the wall. You start off with questions about what she did to prepare for the hearing (she won’t say she destroyed evidence of her political perspective), you move on to her political views, you question her about some of the stuff you found on Wayback, you point out that she lied about not doing one particular thing to prepare for the hearing, she lied about not posting things that she did post, you point out that she destroyed evidence that she must have though was important, you ask questions insinuating a political motivation, and then and only then — after her credibility has been completely destroyed — do you ask questions about not telling anyone at the time, the context in which she made the allegation to her therapist, and all the missing details in her account.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ben tillman

    Great idea. Now name me one R senator with the cojones to do that.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @ben tillman

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @ben tillman

    That sounds like a much better strategy than going through a few lines of the narcissist's prayer: ("It didn't happen. Well, maybe it happened but it wasn't that bad....")

    Any attempt to take a boys-will-be-boys line will feed right into feminazi claims about sexual assault not being taken seriously, etc.

    What's needed is the implication that because of her shaky story, verifiable assaults are questioned and the victims are reluctant to come forward.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  231. @Boethiuss
    @L Woods


    This is larger than Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Taking these ludicrous accusations seriously sets an enormously destructive precedent.
     
    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously. There's limited reach for what we can expect or force other people to take on our say-so. And clearly the idea that we can simply disregard this accusation is beyond that reach.

    What we can do is refute the accusation on its own terms, increasing our credibility, diminishing the credibility of the other team. And furthermore, demonstrating why these sorts of accusations tend to lack credibility for those who would be inclined to think otherwise beforehand.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Jack Hanson, @Colin Wright, @ben tillman

    This pretty much ignorant of where we stand at the moment. The reality is, people are taking these accusations seriously.

    Hell, I take the accusation seriously — seriously enough to hold it up to intellectual scrutiny that almost immediately puts it in the “incredible” category.

    Taking accusations seriously is not even close to the same thing as believing them.

  232. @scrivener3
    @ken

    A 35 year old accusation against some average joe will not destroy his life. Law enforcement would have no interest in it, even in a State with no statue of limitations on sex crimes if the complainant refused to testify under oath or before a grand jury that would be the end of it.

    This is a unique hothouse flower supported by our media establishment.Or if somehow it got traction on social media, a one in a million chance.


















    law enforcement would have no interest i it

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “A 35 year old accusation against some average joe will not destroy his life”

    The point is that Kavanaugh has led a life pretty much free of blemish. By any objective standard he has earned this nomination. Plenty of men and women understand how unfair it is to deny someone a job due to character assassination.

  233. @ic1000
    @El Dato

    Re: Sandra Newman's Vox article,"I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations."

    Feminists like Ms. Newman proclaim that phony rape accusations are vanishingly rare, outside of the flagrant headcases like Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum. Newman wrote,


    Innocent men rarely face rape charges -- Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].
     
    "Between 2% and 10% of all reports" links to an anonymous 4-page opinion piece at the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (PDF).

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it's extremely difficult to define "false rape accusation" in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation. A favored bait-and-switch is to focus on counting accusations that have been proven false, placing all other cases in the "true" bin.

    You can minimize all sorts of inconvenient problems when you control the terms of the debate.

    Replies: @L Woods, @ben tillman, @Alden

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it’s extremely difficult to define “false rape accusation” in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation.

    Yeah, but the main problem is that she’s lying.

    This is not a “false rape accusation”. This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @ben tillman

    She just simply could believe her own lies. That is why she would pass a polygraph. She knows she isn't lying.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ic1000, @Rosamond Vincy

  234. @Steve Sailer
    @academic gossip

    "Low empathy" might be a common characteristic in these late onset M to F types, and why it's more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he's going to be a woman.

    It's a little bit like converting to Islam: it's kind of a right of center thing.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @academic gossip

    more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he’s going to be a woman.

    There’s also less shock and attention value in it if you’re already that close to being a female.

    The LA news helicopter guy (Tur) was in a job that combines macho techno-gadgetry and being a center of attention.

    An odd connection is that Nazism also had the military-technophile-autist tendency fused with pageantry. I could see a current year Oswald Mosely (2 wives, 5 kids) following in the Pritzker/Tur mold.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @academic gossip


    An odd connection is that Nazism also had the military-technophile-autist tendency fused with pageantry. I could see a current year Oswald Mosely (2 wives, 5 kids) following in the Pritzker/Tur mold.
     
    Real Nazis-i.e., members of the 1933-1945 NSDAP-no. But Rockwell fits the profile a little and I could see where if they had taken a different turn entirely Pierce, Kevin Strom, or a couple of others maybe could have wound up like that.
  235. @ben tillman
    @ic1000


    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it’s extremely difficult to define “false rape accusation” in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation.
     
    Yeah, but the main problem is that she's lying.

    This is not a "false rape accusation". This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    She just simply could believe her own lies. That is why she would pass a polygraph. She knows she isn’t lying.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @MarkinLA

    Polygraph doesn’t detect lies, it measures physiological (stress) responses to stimuli (questions, some of them designed to be uncomfortable). It is a “red flag” generator for further, actual investigation, not a machine that detects truth vs. falsehood.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Alden

    , @ic1000
    @MarkinLA

    ben tillman: "The main problem is that [Ford is] lying. This is not a 'false rape accusation'. This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation."

    The rape accusation is the catnip that gives the story legs. Upthread, I did the thought experiment of swapping it for an analogous type of misconduct. That turns the entire episode into something preposterous, even by Kavanaugh-hater standards.

    MarkinLA: "She just simply could believe her own lies."

    If a person believes their own account, then they aren't "lying," as the word is commonly understood. The difference between being untruthful and being deliberately untruthful.

    I've experienced this first-hand, an honest mistake vis-a-vis a clear-cut (but false) recollection. It's easy to imagine that befalling other people, too.

    I'll stipulate that the events outlined by Ford have a basis in reality, and further, that Kavanaugh and Judge were the two boys. There is still a lot of doubt as to "what actually happened."

    * Did Ford have only one drink, or were her perceptions impaired by greater alcohol consumption?
    * Was Ford in danger of being suffocated? Maybe, maybe not. Did she experience that fear at the time (cf. in retrospect)? Maybe, maybe not.
    * Did Kavanaugh attempt to rape her? Was he "only" teasing her? Was there roughhousing with no intention of causing harm or fear? Maybes all around.
    * In the timeline that Ford presents, details like locking the bedroom door suggest premeditation. Did she get those details right, and in the correct sequence? Maybe, maybe not.

    It's he-said-she-said all the way down. Unlike in Perry Mason re-runs, I see no prospect of a Eureka! moment for this hazy three-decade-old memory.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @MarkinLA

    Yep. Already suggested BPD.

  236. If we lived in a less crazy world, accusations like this woman’s could be dismissed with a quick “get lost”.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @International Jew


    If we lived in a less crazy world, accusations like this woman’s could be dismissed with a quick “get lost”.
     
    No, in a sane world, she wouldn’t be dismissed - she’d be given an involuntary commitment to psychiatric evaluation and treatment. “She needs help.”
  237. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @academic gossip
    @advancedatheist

    I have a pet theory that would explain the late-onset M2F tranny phenomenon that Steve writes about: male Histrionic Personality Disorder (which is uncommon in heterosexual men) with low-level autism as the underlying cause.

    The DSM "cluster B" disorders involving low empathy (HPD, NPD, BPD, ASPD), and usually above average intelligence, have a variety of symptoms resembling low-level autism, and are heritable and probably neurological. I suspect autism is behind all of these disorders and which specific cluster B manifestations appear is determined by life history, hormone levels and other mostly non-neurological factors. It is known that these disorders tend not to go away, but co-occur and are somewhat mutable and can interconvert, like one Thing that can show itself with different faces.

    Start with an Aspergery male, especially one with a drive toward success, adulation, dominance, or attention (Jenner, Rothblatt). They might fully qualify for a cluster B diagnosis like NPD, but that's not required. Add in hormonal changes in mid-life and the autism-manifestation morphs into the attention-seeking HPD behavior. They want to be gay or dress up or whatever, but autistically push it to the extreme of being a transsexual, in line with their lifelong tendency to push to the limit in all things.

    Software industry trannies also fit the autist pattern.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @academic gossip

    I met several of what appeared to be software industry trannies (all M to F) at the Kansasfest (an Apple II and general vintage computer gathering actually held in the State of Missouri) a couple of years ago. The belle of the ball, blogger and game developer Quinn Dunki, does appear to be a RG though.

    (Real Girl, not a retractible gear Cessna single. A common term in old drag queen and disco circles-the liner notes on the first Blondie album reference it, perhaps ironically.)

  238. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @academic gossip
    @Steve Sailer


    more of a right wing thing. You never hear of some high empathy NPR announcer liberal-type male announcing he’s going to be a woman.
     
    There's also less shock and attention value in it if you're already that close to being a female.

    The LA news helicopter guy (Tur) was in a job that combines macho techno-gadgetry and being a center of attention.

    An odd connection is that Nazism also had the military-technophile-autist tendency fused with pageantry. I could see a current year Oswald Mosely (2 wives, 5 kids) following in the Pritzker/Tur mold.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    An odd connection is that Nazism also had the military-technophile-autist tendency fused with pageantry. I could see a current year Oswald Mosely (2 wives, 5 kids) following in the Pritzker/Tur mold.

    Real Nazis-i.e., members of the 1933-1945 NSDAP-no. But Rockwell fits the profile a little and I could see where if they had taken a different turn entirely Pierce, Kevin Strom, or a couple of others maybe could have wound up like that.

  239. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Art Deco


    This pair has handsome educations, handsome jobs, children, and a home in a lush suburb which incorporates a short commute for at least one of them. And they’ve been in couples therapy for years on end. And she’s a clinical psychologist.
     
    The simple fact that they live better than 99.99% of the people on Earth and that still wasn't enough shows exactly how insane these people and their backers are.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The material can never satisfy when the spirit is missing.

  240. @MarkinLA
    @ben tillman

    She just simply could believe her own lies. That is why she would pass a polygraph. She knows she isn't lying.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ic1000, @Rosamond Vincy

    Polygraph doesn’t detect lies, it measures physiological (stress) responses to stimuli (questions, some of them designed to be uncomfortable). It is a “red flag” generator for further, actual investigation, not a machine that detects truth vs. falsehood.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Twinkie

    I understand that. This is why Aldrich Ames was able to beat it even when lying. However, even someone unpracticed who actually believes their own lies would also be able to pass it just because to them they are not lying and would not cause the usual physical responses.

    Supposedly this Dr. Ford has already taken one and passed it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Alden
    @Twinkie

    2 Tzandine muscle relaxers will make you so mellow you can pass a lie detector test.

    Replies: @JimB

  241. @International Jew
    If we lived in a less crazy world, accusations like this woman's could be dismissed with a quick "get lost".

    Replies: @Twinkie

    If we lived in a less crazy world, accusations like this woman’s could be dismissed with a quick “get lost”.

    No, in a sane world, she wouldn’t be dismissed – she’d be given an involuntary commitment to psychiatric evaluation and treatment. “She needs help.”

  242. Anon[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?

    Anyway, this was sat on since July, and this whole, Alinskyite attack was planned. For all we know, the Weinstein-MeToo movement was built from the beginning as a weapon for this very purpose.

    What is happening now is delay, delay, delay. If Republican senators were any good at all they would ignore it -- but they are no good.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Anon

    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?

    You’re kidding. What is alleged is attempted pack rape, and possible murder to conceal the crime.
    That ain’t normal teenage behaviour.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    You need to stop watching Lifetime Movies, "Anon[771]," and to cancel your subscription to Rolling Stone.

    Or are you just a black man projecting what the events described would have been if YOU had been there?

    Or are you a lefty waif woman salivating at the thought of your dirtiest fantasies coming to life? (I speak from authority on this! You can have a great time if you just find the right young man to do scenes with.)

    Amazing how you and I visualize the exact same description differently. "Pack rape?" "Murder?!?" Right. Young Kavanaugh and his buddy were planning to rape this girl and then kill her at the party. Sure. You get all that from one loony psychologist's anonymous story, Anon[771].

    Was there also broken glass? Because you need broken glass to make any night a propagandistic tragedy enough to manipulate the masses. Let's have a night of broken glass pack rape! -- among three, drunk, white teenagers.

    There is nothing there. Your crazy imagination proves why this must not be accepted as evidence of anything.

    No matter what is real, if anything in this case, civilized people MUST turn their backs on this claim, because it was held back as a torpedo, it is over three decades old, it comes from teenage memories, and it is purely a political trick. A man is innocent unless proven otherwise, and there never will be any proof here. This is absurd, and you don't realize it. It would be absurd even if everything that woman claims actually did happen, and you don't realize that either. You don't realize the importance of ignoring this and why.

    And BTW, I would not have nominated Kavanaugh, simply because he was a Bush tool. Trump would have been better off just choosing the lady, lack of experience and all. Or any of the other twenty choices he had. He probably had political dealmaking reasons for picking the Bushie.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius, @Alden

    , @El Dato
    @Anon

    Stop it, Log Lady.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf-oiIbVnw

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    Where’d you get murder? And it’s gang rape not pack rape. What are you, a 95 year old nun who joined a convent at age 15?

  243. anon[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Henry's Cat


    Only to say that IMDb is neither infallible nor complete. But what happened regarding her evidence? Was it accepted that her recollection was mistaken? Was Harris found not guilty of that particular charge?
     
    No, the jury found him guilty of that charge. That is what is so remarkable. His defense did a pathetic job and as I recall his defense lawyer quit near the end of the case, supposedly due to poor health.

    Anyway you can read all about the trial on Wikipedia.

    Replies: @anon

    Harris was a weirdo who led a charmed life.
    Originally a champion swimmer in Western Australia, he moved into the entertainment industry in the Fifties.
    After his conviction, a number of women in the industry came forward to say his gropey behaviour was an open secret for years. He had a sense of Noblesse Oblige.

    If Kavanaugh doesn’t get up, and the allegations are factual, then others will come forward.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @anon

    The fact that they haven't come forward so far is what makes me suspicious. This is the age of Larry Nassar, Bill Cosby, Jerry Sandusky. If there's been a pattern of abuse, people will come forward now, even if it happened at a time when people hid things like that.

  244. @Bill B.
    The arrest in France of an old 1960s-era admitted pedophile is a reminder that liberals don't care about sexual etiquette or defending the vulnerable but only about the power an insatiable demand for equality and justice brings them.

    Police have seized underage porn from Bernard Dejager, 89, one of three pedophile "martyrs" of four decades ago who were publicly supported by the cream of the French liberal establishment, including Jean-Paul Sartre.

    One pedophile wrote in France around that time of the joys of anal sex with (very young) children; the ex-radical and current leading pundit Daniel Cohn-Bendit wrote a chapter on sexuality in children, etc..

    Now liberals have the poundmetoo movement that demands extreme sensitivity towards mature adults; then liberals said adults could have sex children who would benefit from the experience.

    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/pedopornographie-bernard-dejager-89-ans-rattrape-par-ses-demons-18-09-2018-2252294_23.php

    For the list of 60 names in the pro-pedophile petition published in Liberation in 1977 see this:

    http://www.brujitafr.fr/article-quand-kouchner-glucksmann-lang-et-toute-la-clique-des-intellectuels-de-gauche-soutenaient-des-pedoph-117468975.html

    Replies: @Gordo

    Cohn-Bendit: “It happened several times, that a few children would open the fly of my pants and begin to stroke me.”

    Sick sick people.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Gordo

    Yes.

    In the UK the National Council for Civil Liberties (now called Liberty) defended pedophiles and the Pedophile Information Exchange lobby for about a decade up until the early 1980s.

    As with Danni The Red and other admitted child molesters it was all just a "joke" or a mistake caused by revolutionary over-enthusiasm. Liberals have no base, no core, no principles to pull them back. Power and destruction - often combined with raw indulgence - is what drives them.


    Whilst PIE was affiliated with it, the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty) argued that photographs of undressed children should not be considered "indecent" – and therefore illegal – unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered harm or that an inference to that effect or to the effect that harm might have been caused could reasonably be drawn from the images themselves, with Harriet Harman (later deputy leader of the Labour Party) arguing that it would "increase censorship".[42]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378
    , @Alden
    @Gordo

    Dr Fraud claimed little girls liked to play with Daddy’s penis instead of dolls.

    His whole theory of frigidity was based on a 14 year girl sent to Dr Fraud by her father. The father wanted the girl to have sex with with fathers business partner. Father had a longtime affair with Mrs business partner. A divorce would break up the partnership and leave Mrs business partner with no kids no place to live and no alimony if she were divorced for adultery

    14 year old was offered to business partner to not get the divorce. Business partner was eager. Daughter refused and was sent to Dr Fraud to be convinced. She saw Dr Fraud only 4 times.

    Dr Fraud based his famous theories of female frigidity on that patient.

    I don’t know what they’re doing now but it’s probabky just as horrible twisted bizarre and evil.

  245. @Detective Club
    The Democrats are taking big chances here. If this woman starts babbling in public about how, when she was Cleopatra in a previous life, she was gang-raped by Tiberius, Mark Anthony, and the Roman soldier who drove the nails into Christ's hands, the Democrats' sure-thing of gaining control of the US Senate in November go bye-bye. She might not remember 1982 but she probably has total recall of 26 AD.

    Replies: @GermanReader2

    There really are women, who claim they were cleopatra in a previous life. I once overheard a woman telling her friend exactly that while I was sitting on a neighboring table in a restaurant.

  246. @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?
     
    You're kidding. What is alleged is attempted pack rape, and possible murder to conceal the crime.
    That ain't normal teenage behaviour.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Alden

    You need to stop watching Lifetime Movies, “Anon[771],” and to cancel your subscription to Rolling Stone.

    Or are you just a black man projecting what the events described would have been if YOU had been there?

    Or are you a lefty waif woman salivating at the thought of your dirtiest fantasies coming to life? (I speak from authority on this! You can have a great time if you just find the right young man to do scenes with.)

    Amazing how you and I visualize the exact same description differently. “Pack rape?” “Murder?!?” Right. Young Kavanaugh and his buddy were planning to rape this girl and then kill her at the party. Sure. You get all that from one loony psychologist’s anonymous story, Anon[771].

    Was there also broken glass? Because you need broken glass to make any night a propagandistic tragedy enough to manipulate the masses. Let’s have a night of broken glass pack rape! — among three, drunk, white teenagers.

    There is nothing there. Your crazy imagination proves why this must not be accepted as evidence of anything.

    No matter what is real, if anything in this case, civilized people MUST turn their backs on this claim, because it was held back as a torpedo, it is over three decades old, it comes from teenage memories, and it is purely a political trick. A man is innocent unless proven otherwise, and there never will be any proof here. This is absurd, and you don’t realize it. It would be absurd even if everything that woman claims actually did happen, and you don’t realize that either. You don’t realize the importance of ignoring this and why.

    And BTW, I would not have nominated Kavanaugh, simply because he was a Bush tool. Trump would have been better off just choosing the lady, lack of experience and all. Or any of the other twenty choices he had. He probably had political dealmaking reasons for picking the Bushie.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ann Coulter thinks Kavanaugh is better on immigration than the other two who were in the spotlight.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kav is Mueller/McConnell’s pick.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Wouldn’t the guys knees have been have been all cut up on the broken glass?

  247. @Mike Sylwester
    Diane Feinstein would not be doing this dirty trick against Brett Kavanaugh if he were Jewish.

    Not only is Kavanaugh a goy, he attended a Jesuit high school.

    Feinstein believes fundamentally that Roman Catholics should not be federal judges.

    When a Roman Catholic woman, Amy Coney Barrett, was nominated to a judge position on the 7th Circuit a year ago, Feinstein criticized Barrett for being too Roman Catholic. Feinstein declared:

    Why is it that so many of us on this side have this very uncomfortable feeling that — you know, dogma and law are two different things. And I think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. The law is totally different. And I think in your case, professor, when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.
     
    Feinstein does not make such critical declarations about Jews who are nominated to judge positions.

    When Feinstein received Ford's letter accusing Kavanaugh, she surely -- if Kavanaugh had been Jewish -- would have discarded the letter as being irrelevant to the nomination.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jimi Shmendrix, @Alden

    Feinstein is not even technically Jewish and graduated from San Francisco’s Sacred Heart High School (Catholic, if that’s not obvious enough).

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jimi Shmendrix

    Indicates nothing except her parents had an understandable contempt for the public school system. In the Philly suburb where I grew up, there were a surprising number of Jews in parochial schools, and God knows how many Protestants or non-believers. Concerned AME or African Baptist parents in the inner city also sent their kids to parochial school, and worked multiple jobs to do it.

    The discipline was only part of the reason. Public schools require Education degrees: math education, language arts education, social studies education. The private schools could hire people who'd majored in Math, English, and History.


    Of course some places like NY have tried to cut off that escape and the Regents now require Education credits even of private school teachers, so they can be rendered just as useless as the public school ones.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @Jimi Shmendrix

    Feinstein is Jewish . Her mother’s nane was Rothenburg. Fathers Goldman. She was raised secular and told to pick a religion at 18. She picked Jewish. Daughter raised Jewish even a Bat Mitzvah. All 3 husbands Jewish

    She went to sacred heart so what? Lots of Jews and Protestants go to catholic school. San Francisco is a private school town. There are actually more private high schools in San Francisco than public schools Private school is a San Francisco thing. Sacred heart is walking distance from her childhood home.

    She applied to Hamlins and sacred heart in pacific heights and Burke’s in sea cliff. She was accepted at sacred heart and Burke’s but not Hamlins

    She went to sacred heart because it’s walking distance and Burke’s was a bus and 2 long walks away.

    Her mother’s family were Jews who converted to Russian orthodox because Jews were not allowed to live in the area they wanted to live.
    Fathers family was always Jewish.
    As soon as they got to America moms family went back to Judaism.

  248. @Twinkie
    @MarkinLA

    Polygraph doesn’t detect lies, it measures physiological (stress) responses to stimuli (questions, some of them designed to be uncomfortable). It is a “red flag” generator for further, actual investigation, not a machine that detects truth vs. falsehood.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Alden

    I understand that. This is why Aldrich Ames was able to beat it even when lying. However, even someone unpracticed who actually believes their own lies would also be able to pass it just because to them they are not lying and would not cause the usual physical responses.

    Supposedly this Dr. Ford has already taken one and passed it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @MarkinLA


    However, even someone unpracticed who actually believes their own lies would also be able to pass it just because to them they are not lying and would not cause the usual physical responses.
     
    Yes. She also could have been medicated.
  249. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    You need to stop watching Lifetime Movies, "Anon[771]," and to cancel your subscription to Rolling Stone.

    Or are you just a black man projecting what the events described would have been if YOU had been there?

    Or are you a lefty waif woman salivating at the thought of your dirtiest fantasies coming to life? (I speak from authority on this! You can have a great time if you just find the right young man to do scenes with.)

    Amazing how you and I visualize the exact same description differently. "Pack rape?" "Murder?!?" Right. Young Kavanaugh and his buddy were planning to rape this girl and then kill her at the party. Sure. You get all that from one loony psychologist's anonymous story, Anon[771].

    Was there also broken glass? Because you need broken glass to make any night a propagandistic tragedy enough to manipulate the masses. Let's have a night of broken glass pack rape! -- among three, drunk, white teenagers.

    There is nothing there. Your crazy imagination proves why this must not be accepted as evidence of anything.

    No matter what is real, if anything in this case, civilized people MUST turn their backs on this claim, because it was held back as a torpedo, it is over three decades old, it comes from teenage memories, and it is purely a political trick. A man is innocent unless proven otherwise, and there never will be any proof here. This is absurd, and you don't realize it. It would be absurd even if everything that woman claims actually did happen, and you don't realize that either. You don't realize the importance of ignoring this and why.

    And BTW, I would not have nominated Kavanaugh, simply because he was a Bush tool. Trump would have been better off just choosing the lady, lack of experience and all. Or any of the other twenty choices he had. He probably had political dealmaking reasons for picking the Bushie.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius, @Alden

    Ann Coulter thinks Kavanaugh is better on immigration than the other two who were in the spotlight.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @MarkinLA

    Since I have a crush on her, I'll go along with Ann then.

    BTW, in the spirit of Coulter, how many miles of wall have been built? ZERO.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @MarkinLA

    Since I have a crush on her, I'll go along with Ann then.

    BTW, in the spirit of Coulter, how many miles of wall have been built? ZERO.

  250. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    You need to stop watching Lifetime Movies, "Anon[771]," and to cancel your subscription to Rolling Stone.

    Or are you just a black man projecting what the events described would have been if YOU had been there?

    Or are you a lefty waif woman salivating at the thought of your dirtiest fantasies coming to life? (I speak from authority on this! You can have a great time if you just find the right young man to do scenes with.)

    Amazing how you and I visualize the exact same description differently. "Pack rape?" "Murder?!?" Right. Young Kavanaugh and his buddy were planning to rape this girl and then kill her at the party. Sure. You get all that from one loony psychologist's anonymous story, Anon[771].

    Was there also broken glass? Because you need broken glass to make any night a propagandistic tragedy enough to manipulate the masses. Let's have a night of broken glass pack rape! -- among three, drunk, white teenagers.

    There is nothing there. Your crazy imagination proves why this must not be accepted as evidence of anything.

    No matter what is real, if anything in this case, civilized people MUST turn their backs on this claim, because it was held back as a torpedo, it is over three decades old, it comes from teenage memories, and it is purely a political trick. A man is innocent unless proven otherwise, and there never will be any proof here. This is absurd, and you don't realize it. It would be absurd even if everything that woman claims actually did happen, and you don't realize that either. You don't realize the importance of ignoring this and why.

    And BTW, I would not have nominated Kavanaugh, simply because he was a Bush tool. Trump would have been better off just choosing the lady, lack of experience and all. Or any of the other twenty choices he had. He probably had political dealmaking reasons for picking the Bushie.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius, @Alden

    Kav is Mueller/McConnell’s pick.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Desiderius

    Mueller? Did Trump make some kind of deal with him?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  251. @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.
     
    I don't know what they know, but I know what I know, and that's that she deleted her social media presence recently.

    That fact changes the cross from something that needs to be handled delicately to something where you just go balls to the wall. You start off with questions about what she did to prepare for the hearing (she won't say she destroyed evidence of her political perspective), you move on to her political views, you question her about some of the stuff you found on Wayback, you point out that she lied about not doing one particular thing to prepare for the hearing, she lied about not posting things that she did post, you point out that she destroyed evidence that she must have though was important, you ask questions insinuating a political motivation, and then and only then -- after her credibility has been completely destroyed -- do you ask questions about not telling anyone at the time, the context in which she made the allegation to her therapist, and all the missing details in her account.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rosamond Vincy

    Great idea. Now name me one R senator with the cojones to do that.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jim Don Bob

    Get a woman to do it. What's needed is ovaries, not 'nads.

    If only we had our own Margaret Thatcher....

    , @ben tillman
    @Jim Don Bob


    Great idea. .
     
    Thank you. Cross-examination is part of my job.
  252. @MarkinLA
    @ben tillman

    She just simply could believe her own lies. That is why she would pass a polygraph. She knows she isn't lying.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ic1000, @Rosamond Vincy

    ben tillman: “The main problem is that [Ford is] lying. This is not a ‘false rape accusation’. This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation.”

    The rape accusation is the catnip that gives the story legs. Upthread, I did the thought experiment of swapping it for an analogous type of misconduct. That turns the entire episode into something preposterous, even by Kavanaugh-hater standards.

    MarkinLA: “She just simply could believe her own lies.”

    If a person believes their own account, then they aren’t “lying,” as the word is commonly understood. The difference between being untruthful and being deliberately untruthful.

    I’ve experienced this first-hand, an honest mistake vis-a-vis a clear-cut (but false) recollection. It’s easy to imagine that befalling other people, too.

    I’ll stipulate that the events outlined by Ford have a basis in reality, and further, that Kavanaugh and Judge were the two boys. There is still a lot of doubt as to “what actually happened.”

    * Did Ford have only one drink, or were her perceptions impaired by greater alcohol consumption?
    * Was Ford in danger of being suffocated? Maybe, maybe not. Did she experience that fear at the time (cf. in retrospect)? Maybe, maybe not.
    * Did Kavanaugh attempt to rape her? Was he “only” teasing her? Was there roughhousing with no intention of causing harm or fear? Maybes all around.
    * In the timeline that Ford presents, details like locking the bedroom door suggest premeditation. Did she get those details right, and in the correct sequence? Maybe, maybe not.

    It’s he-said-she-said all the way down. Unlike in Perry Mason re-runs, I see no prospect of a Eureka! moment for this hazy three-decade-old memory.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @ic1000

    I learned a lot about detecting BS when I was a probation officer. I don’t believe a word she said.

    Doesn’t know what month or year. Doesn’t know how she got there Doesn’t know how she got home Doesn’t even know the town the party was in.

    I didn’t have many women in my caseload but the guys told me many tall tales. I remember one woman who gave this as an alibi when she was arrested for killing her child.

    She was kidnapped by a bus driver. She was the only passenger on the bus. He drove her to an abandoned apartment in the projects and they stayed there for 5 weeks with the bus parked outside. He stayed there and didn’t go to work thus losing 5 weeks salary.

    I asked her how they managed food. She said they went to macdonalds in his bus. I asked her if the lights and water were on she said yes. I called the housing authority and asked if they kept lights and water on in empty apartments. Housing authority said no

    While she was kidnapped some other dude or dudette must have killed the kid.

    Ms Ford is just making the whole thing up Being a liberal woman college professor she is an aristocrat and her BS must be believed.

    Liberals turn on a dime. It was only 20 years ago that Paula Jones who was grabbed and exposed to and ordered to suck it and Juanita Broderick who was hit had a swollen bloody lip and really was peneterated raped were deemed liars and trash.

    Now liberals believe Ms Ford’s BS about something that never happened.

    Their brains are empty sinks. Propaganda Central turns on the tap and fills the empty sink with BS and the liberal believes it.

    A year later propaganda central comes up with some exact opposite BS. The plug is pulled last year’s BS is drained out and the empty sink is filled with the latest BS.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  253. @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    My guess from what I’ve read is that Blasey and her lawyers know perfectly well at this point that her story will be shredded in any kind of cross examination. I would guess they know what those vulnerabilities are, and don’t want her to be exposed, or to be put in a position in which she will be lying to Congress under oath.
     
    I don't know what they know, but I know what I know, and that's that she deleted her social media presence recently.

    That fact changes the cross from something that needs to be handled delicately to something where you just go balls to the wall. You start off with questions about what she did to prepare for the hearing (she won't say she destroyed evidence of her political perspective), you move on to her political views, you question her about some of the stuff you found on Wayback, you point out that she lied about not doing one particular thing to prepare for the hearing, she lied about not posting things that she did post, you point out that she destroyed evidence that she must have though was important, you ask questions insinuating a political motivation, and then and only then -- after her credibility has been completely destroyed -- do you ask questions about not telling anyone at the time, the context in which she made the allegation to her therapist, and all the missing details in her account.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Rosamond Vincy

    That sounds like a much better strategy than going through a few lines of the narcissist’s prayer: (“It didn’t happen. Well, maybe it happened but it wasn’t that bad….”)

    Any attempt to take a boys-will-be-boys line will feed right into feminazi claims about sexual assault not being taken seriously, etc.

    What’s needed is the implication that because of her shaky story, verifiable assaults are questioned and the victims are reluctant to come forward.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Rosamond Vincy


    That sounds like a much better strategy than going through a few lines of the narcissist’s prayer: (“It didn’t happen. Well, maybe it happened but it wasn’t that bad….”)

    Any attempt to take a boys-will-be-boys line will feed right into feminazi claims about sexual assault not being taken seriously, etc.

    What’s needed is the implication that because of her shaky story, verifiable assaults are questioned and the victims are reluctant to come forward.
     

    Look -- my cross would be full of my own testimony. I didn't get married until I was over 40, and I dated lots of women, including 7 or 8 who told me they had been raped. One of them gave them a bonus story about her sister being raped.

    After going through all the credibility stuff I outlined in the earlier comment, I'd go through all those stories and say I believed every one, and then say, "but I don't believe you." And then I'd take it from there.

  254. @MarkinLA
    @ben tillman

    She just simply could believe her own lies. That is why she would pass a polygraph. She knows she isn't lying.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ic1000, @Rosamond Vincy

    Yep. Already suggested BPD.

  255. @Thomas
    @JimB

    How about how two teenage boys whom she describes as “stumbling drunk,” as so drunk they couldn’t even complete their alleged attempted assault, having the presence of mind to lock her in the room and turn up music so no one could hear her yelling? “Haven” Kavanaugh seems to have the ability to go from stumbling blackout drunk to cunning premeditated rapist at the drop of a hat. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @JimB

    Well, perhaps someone did assault her, but it wasn’t Kavanaugh. Besides, what was she doing at that party? As per her yearbook, Holton Arms had a dominant heavy drinking hookup culture. In her yearbook photos, Ford looks visibly stoned.

    http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1

    At worst this is another mattress girl tale. Ford had a bad consensual experience but now wants it classified as a rape.

    Or she’s just making up shit, which I believe most likely.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JimB

    She never said he raped her. She said he pushed her down on a bed. Then he either kissed her or put his hand over her mouth so she couldn’t scream.

    She’s just lying and I’d like to see some of the sex offense detectives I knew go after her lies.

  256. @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Harris was a weirdo who led a charmed life.
    Originally a champion swimmer in Western Australia, he moved into the entertainment industry in the Fifties.
    After his conviction, a number of women in the industry came forward to say his gropey behaviour was an open secret for years. He had a sense of Noblesse Oblige.

    If Kavanaugh doesn't get up, and the allegations are factual, then others will come forward.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    The fact that they haven’t come forward so far is what makes me suspicious. This is the age of Larry Nassar, Bill Cosby, Jerry Sandusky. If there’s been a pattern of abuse, people will come forward now, even if it happened at a time when people hid things like that.

  257. @Jimi Shmendrix
    @Mike Sylwester

    Feinstein is not even technically Jewish and graduated from San Francisco's Sacred Heart High School (Catholic, if that's not obvious enough).

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden

    Indicates nothing except her parents had an understandable contempt for the public school system. In the Philly suburb where I grew up, there were a surprising number of Jews in parochial schools, and God knows how many Protestants or non-believers. Concerned AME or African Baptist parents in the inner city also sent their kids to parochial school, and worked multiple jobs to do it.

    The discipline was only part of the reason. Public schools require Education degrees: math education, language arts education, social studies education. The private schools could hire people who’d majored in Math, English, and History.

    Of course some places like NY have tried to cut off that escape and the Regents now require Education credits even of private school teachers, so they can be rendered just as useless as the public school ones.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Rosamond Vincy

    The private school teachers get the same crap credentials and take the same crap summer school courses but still teach the same old private school curriculum.

    Except, the secular and mainstream Protestant private schools are as insanely liberal as the public schools. In fact private and religious schools have always brainwashed the kids that with great privilege comes great responsibilities to the poor and deprived. Charity charity charity is preached.

    The catholic and Protestant schools that label themselves Christian instead of Lutheran don’t preach abortion and gays and trans sex.

    My sister sent her girls to a Sacred heart school. The 4th grade teacher was a Jew. She decided that the class couldn’t do the Christmas celebrations because there was one Hindu boy in the class.

    Turned out the Indian boy wasn’t Hindu but a catholic from that sect that claims they were converted 2,000 years ago by Jesus apostle St Thomas.

    Sister found out about it about December 12. She took her checkbook and did the rounds of private schools The third one had 4th and 1st grade openings. She wrote the check and pulled the girls out of sacred heart the next day. They got a 3 week Christmas vacation that year.

    Liberals are soooo dumb. An Indian boy just has to be Hindu, not one of the other Indian religions.

  258. @Jim Don Bob
    @ben tillman

    Great idea. Now name me one R senator with the cojones to do that.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @ben tillman

    Get a woman to do it. What’s needed is ovaries, not ‘nads.

    If only we had our own Margaret Thatcher….

  259. One thing that hasn’t been remarked upon enough is how perfectly Trump has handled this so far. He could have swung windmills at the accuser, and would likely have done just that even just a year ago.

    The man is figuring out politics, and acting accordingly. That old dog is learning some new tricks.

    Watch out world: this makes him twice as dangerous.

  260. @Dave Pinsen
    If this ends up being true somehow, it could blow up the whole political wing of the #MeToo movement:

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1042172017812885505?s=21

    Replies: @sabril, @El Dato, @Mr. Blank, @Forbes, @L Woods, @res

    Interesting to see the way the NYT chooses to wade into this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html

    There is no known letter sent by Dr. Blasey about Justice Gorsuch, or any other Supreme Court justice.

    I wonder what Cornett’s source has to say about that.

    I liked the “Mostly False” and “Misleading” headings for the last two.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @res

    Known to whom?

  261. @MarkinLA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ann Coulter thinks Kavanaugh is better on immigration than the other two who were in the spotlight.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

    Since I have a crush on her, I’ll go along with Ann then.

    BTW, in the spirit of Coulter, how many miles of wall have been built? ZERO.

  262. @MarkinLA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ann Coulter thinks Kavanaugh is better on immigration than the other two who were in the spotlight.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

    Since I have a crush on her, I’ll go along with Ann then.

    BTW, in the spirit of Coulter, how many miles of wall have been built? ZERO.

  263. @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Kav is Mueller/McConnell’s pick.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Mueller? Did Trump make some kind of deal with him?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Mueller is the GOPe's gun to Trump's head. That's why he's stuck so close to their agenda, including Kav, and not to Bannon's. Since he has, they haven't needed to pull the trigger, but the gun's still loaded if it becomes necessary to use it.

  264. @res
    @Dave Pinsen

    Interesting to see the way the NYT chooses to wade into this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaughs-fact-check.html


    There is no known letter sent by Dr. Blasey about Justice Gorsuch, or any other Supreme Court justice.
     
    I wonder what Cornett's source has to say about that.

    I liked the "Mostly False" and "Misleading" headings for the last two.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Known to whom?

  265. @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?
     
    You're kidding. What is alleged is attempted pack rape, and possible murder to conceal the crime.
    That ain't normal teenage behaviour.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Alden

    Stop it, Log Lady.

  266. @El Dato
    I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile -- What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations.

    Studies have found that false accusations are quite rare, but when they do happen, they tend to share several important characteristics. To anyone familiar with false rape accusations, the striking thing about this story is that it’s so undramatic. False stories typically have a lurid quality, often involving bizarre forms of cruelty that don’t always strictly make sense.

    ...

    The reason for this dramatizing tendency is clear. There’s no point in making up a rape story that may cause people to minimize the seriousness of the allegation or make them think, “So what?” It’s crucial to a false accuser to tell a story so horrific that no normal person could fail to be moved.

    In Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, we have none of this. The event described feels common. Ford emphasizes that both Kavanaugh and Judge seemed to have no inkling of the seriousness of what they were doing, and the story ends with the slapstick note of Judge knocking them all into an ungainly heap.

    Finally, while Ford’s alleged story of drunken wrestling sounds nothing like a false rape accusation, it does sound exactly like millions of real attempted rapes. It’s such a common story that it’s likely happening to many people as you read this sentence.

    In fact, when defenders of Kavanaugh aren’t insisting Ford is a liar, they’re energetically arguing that what Kavanaugh is accused of is so normal it doesn’t matter. If we ever hope to live in a world where it isn’t normal, we cannot continue to elevate alleged sex offenders to the highest positions in our society.

    Sandra Newman is the author of several books, including the novels The Country of Ice Cream Star and The Heavens, forthcoming from Grove Atlantic/Granta in February 2019. She has written for the Guardian, the Atlantic, Aeon, Quartz, and Slate, among other publications.
     

    I should really have attempted more rapes when young.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @Alden

    Unfortunately, false rape accusations are anything but rare.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @TWS

    Many rape accusations against White men are false. Almost all rape accusations against black men are truthful.

    You guys would be surprised at how quickly rape detectives and investigators can detect a false rape accusation.

  267. @Tyrion 2
    If someone questions her truthfulness, she'll go on TV and cry at them. Somehow that means they'll be discredited. It's as if people have never spent time with little girls before. Or have screens made us all that stupid that we can't notice such obvious emotional manipulation anymore?

    Replies: @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon

    “If someone questions her truthfulness, she’ll go on TV and cry at them.”

    The woman was young, no more than twenty-five, all breasts, bright red lips, raging hair, and sultry makeup, popping out of a black turtleneck sweater. She wore black pants and teetered atop a pair of black spike-heel shoes. At first their voices were muffled. Then the woman’s voice became louder and the man’s became lower. It was the classic case. The man wants to confine matters to a quiet private argument, but the woman decides to play one of her trump cards, which is Making a Scene. There is Making a Scene, and there is Tears. This was Making a Scene. The woman’s voice became louder and louder, and at last the man’s rose, too….

    “I can’t go back there,” she said. She lowered her heavy Tropical Twilight eyelids and then her whole head. Her lower lip trembled; her head and the raging hair shook, so did her shoulders. The Tears.

    “Oh, for Christ’s sake, Irene. Come on!” The Tears.

    “All right. Look . . . I’ll find out if they’re going after you on a 220-31, and I’ll represent you on rearraignment if they are, but that’s it.” The Tears! victorious even after these many millennia.

    The woman nodded like a penitent child. She walked out through the blazing waiting room. Her bottom bobbed in a glossy black shimmer. One of the Leather Men looked at Sherman and smiled, man to man, and said, “Ay, caramba.”

  268. @Gordo
    @Bill B.

    Cohn-Bendit: "It happened several times, that a few children would open the fly of my pants and begin to stroke me."

    Sick sick people.

    Replies: @Bill B., @Alden

    Yes.

    In the UK the National Council for Civil Liberties (now called Liberty) defended pedophiles and the Pedophile Information Exchange lobby for about a decade up until the early 1980s.

    As with Danni The Red and other admitted child molesters it was all just a “joke” or a mistake caused by revolutionary over-enthusiasm. Liberals have no base, no core, no principles to pull them back. Power and destruction – often combined with raw indulgence – is what drives them.

    Whilst PIE was affiliated with it, the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty) argued that photographs of undressed children should not be considered “indecent” – and therefore illegal – unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered harm or that an inference to that effect or to the effect that harm might have been caused could reasonably be drawn from the images themselves, with Harriet Harman (later deputy leader of the Labour Party) arguing that it would “increase censorship”.[42]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

  269. @Mr. Anon

    As I’ve been pointing out, so far nobody has come forward to stay that Ms. Blasey-Ford accused Kavanaugh by name before he became famous in late 2011 voting against Obamacare and then got talked up in early 2012 as a Supreme Court nominee. Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling (although Kavanaugh’s name doesn’t appear in the therapist’s notes).
     
    What I'd like to see investigated is whether Ford was talking to any Democratic Party operatives in 2012, possibly preparing this whole story for the eventuality of a Romney win.

    Replies: @anon

    So what?
    Kavanaugh has been next cab off the rank for years.
    The Repubs need to do a bit more vetting of their Swamp Critter nominees.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @anon


    So what?
     
    So what? It would indicate a conscious plot. That's what.

    Kavanaugh has been next cab off the rank for years.
     
    Huh? I don't know what you're saying. I'm going to assume that I don't care either.
  270. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    @El Dato

    Do you know many people who work in the field of psychology? I’ve known some and one thing that I find distinguishes them is that they are all disturbed or misfits in one way or another. I don’t know if it is a chicken and egg thing. That is to say, if disturbed people are drawn to a field that tries to understand what makes them tick, or if studying psychology warps susceptible people by teaching them crazy things. It’s rather like the way sexual theory is dominated by perverts like Freud and Kinsey who project their issues on everyone else. They decide that the source of your problems is that your mother failed to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or did have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you wanted her to have sex with you while you were being potty-trained, or you have dreams about her having sex with you while you were being potty-trained. (Whatever; any of those will work.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I know two women – mother and daughter – both apparently sane – who both became mental health professionals because of a history of madness in their family. In their case, it wasn’t to understand their own issues but the issues of relatives.

    This is probably also the reason so many Jews are drawn to psychology. Due to centuries of inbreeding, Jewish families produce a disproportionate number of lunatics as well as geniuses.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Meh. They started with Fraudian psychiatry because it’s the one White collar office only medical job. Medicine is really blue collar manual work.

    Lots of walking around in your feet all day. Bending over in awkward positions getting early arthritis in hands arms and shoulders. Night and weekend shifts. It’s hard work.
    Working in a mental hospital with actually mentally ill people is hard work too.

    But Fraudian psychiatry? Just sit there reading a book or writing a book while the patient rambles on. And they can go to court and make up all sorts of BS to get criminals off.

    Well they could, but finally the judicial council decided not to admit psychiatric testimony because it’s not expert and psychologists and psychiatrists are not experts in mental health

    So it’s a perfect job for a Jew. All the prestige of being a Dr without the hard work.

    I was a probation officer when psychology testimony was still admissible. The shrinks would call me and ask me what’s I wanted them to say. Some expert.

    The worst very worst nonsense the shrinks ever made up was a criminal defense they called “ homosexual panic”. The defendant was secretly gay but didn’t even know it so deep was his denial. Then one day when he was robbing a man his homo tendencies came out. He was so distraught at his sudden lust for the victim the robber shot the victim. Amazing how those well built young black guys suddenly lusted for the fat bald 60 year old victims they shot.

    I took a required psychology course in college in the early sixties. There was entire chapter that just being gay was a mental illness in and of itself.

    Then the gays objected to being classified as mentally ill and the psychological non profession de classified homosexuality from being a mental illness.

    What a scam. They’re licensed to give IQ tests but liberals don’t believe in IQ tests any more.

  271. @anon
    @Mr. Anon

    So what?
    Kavanaugh has been next cab off the rank for years.
    The Repubs need to do a bit more vetting of their Swamp Critter nominees.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    So what?

    So what? It would indicate a conscious plot. That’s what.

    Kavanaugh has been next cab off the rank for years.

    Huh? I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m going to assume that I don’t care either.

  272. @Mr. Anon
    @Thomas


    It’s more basic and calculated than that. This woman is letting herself and her allegations get used as a political chip. Democrats want the confirmation vote tabled for a drawn-out investigation that will drag on past the election, which they hope might let them retake the Senate. (That electoral outcome is unlikely, but I don’t think Republicans cucking on this nomination would help their electoral prospects.)
     
    I think the Democrats are also hoping for a replay of the Anita Hill show in 1991 - a bunch of old white Republican men "blaming the victim" in order to help get out the vote, and create another "year of the woman". They're counting on all the Julias turning out to smash the Patriarchy.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Thomas, @Alden

    Thomas was head of the anti White enforcement agency EEOC so he can burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Conservative morons like him because the morons hope he’s against abortion and someday somewhere sometime will outlaw abortion and millions of little brown and black Orcs will be born.

    Conservatives are moron losers. They want more blacks and browns born.

  273. @Anon
    Id be happy if everyone in congress died

    Replies: @Alden

    Congress isn’t the problem. The judges are.

  274. @TWS
    @El Dato

    Unfortunately, false rape accusations are anything but rare.

    Replies: @Alden

    Many rape accusations against White men are false. Almost all rape accusations against black men are truthful.

    You guys would be surprised at how quickly rape detectives and investigators can detect a false rape accusation.

  275. @ic1000
    @MarkinLA

    ben tillman: "The main problem is that [Ford is] lying. This is not a 'false rape accusation'. This is a false stop-someone-from-being-confirmed-as-a-Supreme-Court-justice accusation."

    The rape accusation is the catnip that gives the story legs. Upthread, I did the thought experiment of swapping it for an analogous type of misconduct. That turns the entire episode into something preposterous, even by Kavanaugh-hater standards.

    MarkinLA: "She just simply could believe her own lies."

    If a person believes their own account, then they aren't "lying," as the word is commonly understood. The difference between being untruthful and being deliberately untruthful.

    I've experienced this first-hand, an honest mistake vis-a-vis a clear-cut (but false) recollection. It's easy to imagine that befalling other people, too.

    I'll stipulate that the events outlined by Ford have a basis in reality, and further, that Kavanaugh and Judge were the two boys. There is still a lot of doubt as to "what actually happened."

    * Did Ford have only one drink, or were her perceptions impaired by greater alcohol consumption?
    * Was Ford in danger of being suffocated? Maybe, maybe not. Did she experience that fear at the time (cf. in retrospect)? Maybe, maybe not.
    * Did Kavanaugh attempt to rape her? Was he "only" teasing her? Was there roughhousing with no intention of causing harm or fear? Maybes all around.
    * In the timeline that Ford presents, details like locking the bedroom door suggest premeditation. Did she get those details right, and in the correct sequence? Maybe, maybe not.

    It's he-said-she-said all the way down. Unlike in Perry Mason re-runs, I see no prospect of a Eureka! moment for this hazy three-decade-old memory.

    Replies: @Alden

    I learned a lot about detecting BS when I was a probation officer. I don’t believe a word she said.

    Doesn’t know what month or year. Doesn’t know how she got there Doesn’t know how she got home Doesn’t even know the town the party was in.

    I didn’t have many women in my caseload but the guys told me many tall tales. I remember one woman who gave this as an alibi when she was arrested for killing her child.

    She was kidnapped by a bus driver. She was the only passenger on the bus. He drove her to an abandoned apartment in the projects and they stayed there for 5 weeks with the bus parked outside. He stayed there and didn’t go to work thus losing 5 weeks salary.

    I asked her how they managed food. She said they went to macdonalds in his bus. I asked her if the lights and water were on she said yes. I called the housing authority and asked if they kept lights and water on in empty apartments. Housing authority said no

    While she was kidnapped some other dude or dudette must have killed the kid.

    Ms Ford is just making the whole thing up Being a liberal woman college professor she is an aristocrat and her BS must be believed.

    Liberals turn on a dime. It was only 20 years ago that Paula Jones who was grabbed and exposed to and ordered to suck it and Juanita Broderick who was hit had a swollen bloody lip and really was peneterated raped were deemed liars and trash.

    Now liberals believe Ms Ford’s BS about something that never happened.

    Their brains are empty sinks. Propaganda Central turns on the tap and fills the empty sink with BS and the liberal believes it.

    A year later propaganda central comes up with some exact opposite BS. The plug is pulled last year’s BS is drained out and the empty sink is filled with the latest BS.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Alden

    Get some Republican women to ask the questions. They'll see through her bullshit faster than any man, and she can't accuse them eif Old Boy's Network dynamics.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  276. @Jimi Shmendrix
    @Mike Sylwester

    Feinstein is not even technically Jewish and graduated from San Francisco's Sacred Heart High School (Catholic, if that's not obvious enough).

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden

    Feinstein is Jewish . Her mother’s nane was Rothenburg. Fathers Goldman. She was raised secular and told to pick a religion at 18. She picked Jewish. Daughter raised Jewish even a Bat Mitzvah. All 3 husbands Jewish

    She went to sacred heart so what? Lots of Jews and Protestants go to catholic school. San Francisco is a private school town. There are actually more private high schools in San Francisco than public schools Private school is a San Francisco thing. Sacred heart is walking distance from her childhood home.

    She applied to Hamlins and sacred heart in pacific heights and Burke’s in sea cliff. She was accepted at sacred heart and Burke’s but not Hamlins

    She went to sacred heart because it’s walking distance and Burke’s was a bus and 2 long walks away.

    Her mother’s family were Jews who converted to Russian orthodox because Jews were not allowed to live in the area they wanted to live.
    Fathers family was always Jewish.
    As soon as they got to America moms family went back to Judaism.

  277. @Mike Sylwester
    Diane Feinstein would not be doing this dirty trick against Brett Kavanaugh if he were Jewish.

    Not only is Kavanaugh a goy, he attended a Jesuit high school.

    Feinstein believes fundamentally that Roman Catholics should not be federal judges.

    When a Roman Catholic woman, Amy Coney Barrett, was nominated to a judge position on the 7th Circuit a year ago, Feinstein criticized Barrett for being too Roman Catholic. Feinstein declared:

    Why is it that so many of us on this side have this very uncomfortable feeling that — you know, dogma and law are two different things. And I think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. The law is totally different. And I think in your case, professor, when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.
     
    Feinstein does not make such critical declarations about Jews who are nominated to judge positions.

    When Feinstein received Ford's letter accusing Kavanaugh, she surely -- if Kavanaugh had been Jewish -- would have discarded the letter as being irrelevant to the nomination.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jimi Shmendrix, @Alden

    It’s not just Feinstein. All Jews are adamant that Catholics should not be on the Supreme Court. It’s because Jews know that judges, not presidents governors and legislators rule this country.

    Ostensibly it’s because abortion is the first commandment of Judaism and Catholics are against abortion. It’s not really that it’s because Catholics were the only religion that expelled Jews and prevailed against them.

    They will never forgive Spain and Isabella for expelling Jews and Muslims.

    That’s all, a 2,000 year old vicious hatred.

    Feinstein may have been raised secular, but her entire time in politics she did everything she could to advance Jews.

    Her early financial backers in San Francisco were Jews Walter Shorenstein Roger Boas the Magnins of the department store Pritzker Milton Marks and Mickey Ziffren.

    She found radical Jew Barbara Boxer and her fundraisers funded Boxers career. Feinstein has pushed the Jewish agenda forever. She was holding lesbian weddings in her home as early as 1974.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    Forgot, third husband Richard Blum multi billionaire operator of Chinese slave labor camps funded Feinsteins first county Board of Supervisors campaign 1968 I think and has funded her ever since.

  278. @Calvin Hobbes
    @Paul Jolliffe

    So we essentially have proof that Susan Hoerchner was lying in her testimony about Clarence Thomas (which strongly suggests that Anita Hill's story was also false), yet yesterday Anita Hill had this Opinion piece in the NYT:

    Anita Hill: How to Get the Kavanaugh Hearings Right
    The Senate Judiciary Committee has a chance to do better by the country than it did nearly three decades ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/opinion/anita-hill-brett-kavanaugh-clarence-thomas.html

    And of course there are lots of comments about how brave Anita Hill was and how we should not put yet another sex-criminal on the Supreme Court.

    If Kavanaugh is confirmed without Ford's accusations having been proven false beyond any possible doubt, then the permanent narrative at the NYT will be that Kavanaugh was guilty of attempted rape and that Ford was a brave victim whose credible accusations were ignored by the evil sexist Republicans.

    Replies: @Alden

    Hill accused Thomas of putting pubic hair in her coke. I didn’t believe her.

    How would she know it was his? It’s not like any Whites worked in the EEOC office.
    Thomas was head of the anti White EEOC may every person who worked for that agency burn in hell forever and ever.

  279. @sabril
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks, as a side note, I think that it's probably a terrible idea for a husband to agree to marriage counseling. To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse.

    Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions. That's what women want anyway. The man can exert his authority in various ways, but if he goes to marriage counseling with his wife, it necessarily will undermine his authority. Would the captain of a ship go to counseling with one of his officers if the two are having a problem? Of course not, the captain must take charge and his officers must live with his decisions made for the benefit of the entire crew. A wife needs and deserves the same treatment -- benevolent dictatorship.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    “To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse.”

    No, that is not even remotely true. Counselors in this realm specifically focus on being neutral.

    “Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions.”

    Certainly 80 years ago, but not today. Men and women decide for themselves what is a “decent relationship”.

    “That’s what women want anyway.”

    That’s what YOU prefer.

    “A wife needs and deserves the same treatment — benevolent dictatorship.”

    Spoken like a true armchair warrior. Listen, sport, have your wife (I believe you are married) provide a video testament to your position here and then I will believe you, provided your are not coercing her in some way, shape, or form. That’s how you roll.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Corvinus

    It’s my opinion that most of these old codgers who pontificate about how men should dominate women and women who dresss immodestly in the old codgers opinion or take buses home after work deserve to be raped are all 90 year old virgins.

    The other thing the old codgers believe is that men shouldn’t have to support their children.

    Then there are the ones writing that White women should have 5 or 6 children all by themselves no help from men even in conception.

    Maybe there should be a marketing effort to bring in men under 70.

  280. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jimi Shmendrix

    Indicates nothing except her parents had an understandable contempt for the public school system. In the Philly suburb where I grew up, there were a surprising number of Jews in parochial schools, and God knows how many Protestants or non-believers. Concerned AME or African Baptist parents in the inner city also sent their kids to parochial school, and worked multiple jobs to do it.

    The discipline was only part of the reason. Public schools require Education degrees: math education, language arts education, social studies education. The private schools could hire people who'd majored in Math, English, and History.


    Of course some places like NY have tried to cut off that escape and the Regents now require Education credits even of private school teachers, so they can be rendered just as useless as the public school ones.

    Replies: @Alden

    The private school teachers get the same crap credentials and take the same crap summer school courses but still teach the same old private school curriculum.

    Except, the secular and mainstream Protestant private schools are as insanely liberal as the public schools. In fact private and religious schools have always brainwashed the kids that with great privilege comes great responsibilities to the poor and deprived. Charity charity charity is preached.

    The catholic and Protestant schools that label themselves Christian instead of Lutheran don’t preach abortion and gays and trans sex.

    My sister sent her girls to a Sacred heart school. The 4th grade teacher was a Jew. She decided that the class couldn’t do the Christmas celebrations because there was one Hindu boy in the class.

    Turned out the Indian boy wasn’t Hindu but a catholic from that sect that claims they were converted 2,000 years ago by Jesus apostle St Thomas.

    Sister found out about it about December 12. She took her checkbook and did the rounds of private schools The third one had 4th and 1st grade openings. She wrote the check and pulled the girls out of sacred heart the next day. They got a 3 week Christmas vacation that year.

    Liberals are soooo dumb. An Indian boy just has to be Hindu, not one of the other Indian religions.

  281. @Corvinus
    @sabril

    "To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse."

    No, that is not even remotely true. Counselors in this realm specifically focus on being neutral.

    "Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions."

    Certainly 80 years ago, but not today. Men and women decide for themselves what is a "decent relationship".

    "That’s what women want anyway."

    That's what YOU prefer.

    "A wife needs and deserves the same treatment — benevolent dictatorship."

    Spoken like a true armchair warrior. Listen, sport, have your wife (I believe you are married) provide a video testament to your position here and then I will believe you, provided your are not coercing her in some way, shape, or form. That's how you roll.

    Replies: @Alden

    It’s my opinion that most of these old codgers who pontificate about how men should dominate women and women who dresss immodestly in the old codgers opinion or take buses home after work deserve to be raped are all 90 year old virgins.

    The other thing the old codgers believe is that men shouldn’t have to support their children.

    Then there are the ones writing that White women should have 5 or 6 children all by themselves no help from men even in conception.

    Maybe there should be a marketing effort to bring in men under 70.

  282. @Anonymous
    @Alfa158

    I know two women - mother and daughter - both apparently sane - who both became mental health professionals because of a history of madness in their family. In their case, it wasn't to understand their own issues but the issues of relatives.

    This is probably also the reason so many Jews are drawn to psychology. Due to centuries of inbreeding, Jewish families produce a disproportionate number of lunatics as well as geniuses.

    Replies: @Alden

    Meh. They started with Fraudian psychiatry because it’s the one White collar office only medical job. Medicine is really blue collar manual work.

    Lots of walking around in your feet all day. Bending over in awkward positions getting early arthritis in hands arms and shoulders. Night and weekend shifts. It’s hard work.
    Working in a mental hospital with actually mentally ill people is hard work too.

    But Fraudian psychiatry? Just sit there reading a book or writing a book while the patient rambles on. And they can go to court and make up all sorts of BS to get criminals off.

    Well they could, but finally the judicial council decided not to admit psychiatric testimony because it’s not expert and psychologists and psychiatrists are not experts in mental health

    So it’s a perfect job for a Jew. All the prestige of being a Dr without the hard work.

    I was a probation officer when psychology testimony was still admissible. The shrinks would call me and ask me what’s I wanted them to say. Some expert.

    The worst very worst nonsense the shrinks ever made up was a criminal defense they called “ homosexual panic”. The defendant was secretly gay but didn’t even know it so deep was his denial. Then one day when he was robbing a man his homo tendencies came out. He was so distraught at his sudden lust for the victim the robber shot the victim. Amazing how those well built young black guys suddenly lusted for the fat bald 60 year old victims they shot.

    I took a required psychology course in college in the early sixties. There was entire chapter that just being gay was a mental illness in and of itself.

    Then the gays objected to being classified as mentally ill and the psychological non profession de classified homosexuality from being a mental illness.

    What a scam. They’re licensed to give IQ tests but liberals don’t believe in IQ tests any more.

  283. @JimB
    @Thomas

    Well, perhaps someone did assault her, but it wasn’t Kavanaugh. Besides, what was she doing at that party? As per her yearbook, Holton Arms had a dominant heavy drinking hookup culture. In her yearbook photos, Ford looks visibly stoned.

    http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1

    At worst this is another mattress girl tale. Ford had a bad consensual experience but now wants it classified as a rape.

    Or she’s just making up shit, which I believe most likely.

    Replies: @Alden

    She never said he raped her. She said he pushed her down on a bed. Then he either kissed her or put his hand over her mouth so she couldn’t scream.

    She’s just lying and I’d like to see some of the sex offense detectives I knew go after her lies.

  284. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    You need to stop watching Lifetime Movies, "Anon[771]," and to cancel your subscription to Rolling Stone.

    Or are you just a black man projecting what the events described would have been if YOU had been there?

    Or are you a lefty waif woman salivating at the thought of your dirtiest fantasies coming to life? (I speak from authority on this! You can have a great time if you just find the right young man to do scenes with.)

    Amazing how you and I visualize the exact same description differently. "Pack rape?" "Murder?!?" Right. Young Kavanaugh and his buddy were planning to rape this girl and then kill her at the party. Sure. You get all that from one loony psychologist's anonymous story, Anon[771].

    Was there also broken glass? Because you need broken glass to make any night a propagandistic tragedy enough to manipulate the masses. Let's have a night of broken glass pack rape! -- among three, drunk, white teenagers.

    There is nothing there. Your crazy imagination proves why this must not be accepted as evidence of anything.

    No matter what is real, if anything in this case, civilized people MUST turn their backs on this claim, because it was held back as a torpedo, it is over three decades old, it comes from teenage memories, and it is purely a political trick. A man is innocent unless proven otherwise, and there never will be any proof here. This is absurd, and you don't realize it. It would be absurd even if everything that woman claims actually did happen, and you don't realize that either. You don't realize the importance of ignoring this and why.

    And BTW, I would not have nominated Kavanaugh, simply because he was a Bush tool. Trump would have been better off just choosing the lady, lack of experience and all. Or any of the other twenty choices he had. He probably had political dealmaking reasons for picking the Bushie.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius, @Alden

    Wouldn’t the guys knees have been have been all cut up on the broken glass?

  285. @Gordo
    @Bill B.

    Cohn-Bendit: "It happened several times, that a few children would open the fly of my pants and begin to stroke me."

    Sick sick people.

    Replies: @Bill B., @Alden

    Dr Fraud claimed little girls liked to play with Daddy’s penis instead of dolls.

    His whole theory of frigidity was based on a 14 year girl sent to Dr Fraud by her father. The father wanted the girl to have sex with with fathers business partner. Father had a longtime affair with Mrs business partner. A divorce would break up the partnership and leave Mrs business partner with no kids no place to live and no alimony if she were divorced for adultery

    14 year old was offered to business partner to not get the divorce. Business partner was eager. Daughter refused and was sent to Dr Fraud to be convinced. She saw Dr Fraud only 4 times.

    Dr Fraud based his famous theories of female frigidity on that patient.

    I don’t know what they’re doing now but it’s probabky just as horrible twisted bizarre and evil.

  286. @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Even if the story were true, it would be a case of teenagers fooling around.

    Do the Powers That Be want all of our leaders to come from a pool of eunuchs? Shall we only select from castrato choruses?
     
    You're kidding. What is alleged is attempted pack rape, and possible murder to conceal the crime.
    That ain't normal teenage behaviour.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @El Dato, @Alden

    Where’d you get murder? And it’s gang rape not pack rape. What are you, a 95 year old nun who joined a convent at age 15?

  287. @Twinkie
    @MarkinLA

    Polygraph doesn’t detect lies, it measures physiological (stress) responses to stimuli (questions, some of them designed to be uncomfortable). It is a “red flag” generator for further, actual investigation, not a machine that detects truth vs. falsehood.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Alden

    2 Tzandine muscle relaxers will make you so mellow you can pass a lie detector test.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Alden

    Passing in one out of five tries works, too.

  288. @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason


    Girls who are products of broken marriages tend to blame their husband for everything that is wrong in their life, having learned this from their mothers, so maybe she went into therapy to learn to blame someone else. You can’t get back at God, but a Supreme Court justice sits at His right hand and might be a good proxy.
     
    True. Girls from broken homes are probably in the net a bad bet--genetics and culture.

    However, the "blame their husbands for everthing" hardly takes a broken home. The message our "culture" gives women now is that if they are not haaaaappy ... it's their hubby's fault, and a divorce and a little eat, pray, love and their 160 lbs of female wonderfulness will find joy.

    Replies: @Alden

    Do you tell your wife how much you hate women?

    90 percent of your posts are a variation of I hate women. Women are bad and ugly and nasty and undesirable and men shouldn’t have to support the children.

    Maybe you could make comments other than stupid generalizations about women. Your ignorance about women makes it hard for me to believe your married.

  289. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it.
     
    To a certain extent yeah--because that's what "people", "the culture" tell them it's ok to do. But it's extremely bad advice for women--as all these "rape" allegations hint at.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people’s imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.
     
    1-to-1 acts, but not people

    In the old order, the general suspicion was that a typical male was likely to be a little bit more sexually experienced than the typical female because loose women/prostitutes.

    While prostitutes still exist, in the new liberated order where women are told to go out drinking and channel their inner slut, we have lots of "typical" girls who have screwed around a fair bit--for free--and a much smaller tranche of successful "player" guys with decent game who have who have mined this liberated world, six inches at a time. But the median guy now actually might have fewer sexual partners than the typical girl his age. Not sure. But there is certainly some pretty large group of guys--maybe 20-30%?--who are seeing essentially no action, because they lack the game to score in the game.

    In other words--the frequency distribution has changed. Sluttier girls, a slice of super-successful player guys, lots of depressed incel guys and delayed marriage all around. Win-win!

    Replies: @Alden

    You claim to be married but your:

    1. Ignorance of women

    2 Hatred of women

    Leads me to believe you either gay or so sexually repressed you’ve never even had a date let aline a relationship with a woman.

    Your comments don’t come from real life association with women but those We Hate Women Because We Can’t Get Laid And Men Shouldn’t Have To Support Their Children websites.

    Get out and meet some women and get a life.

  290. @Forbes
    @Colin Wright


    There’s also no evidence that the incident was particularly serious except in its reconstruction thirty years later.
     
    It sounds like a fooling-around wrestling match where one is taunted/challenged, e.g. to "pin" the other to the ground by teens learning the ropes of sexual play/aggression. Boys would do some bragging about some physical prowess and girls would challenge them, or taunt them that they couldn't beat them, or do "that" to them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Alden

    Sounds like some stupid fantasy of yours. Boys like to wrestle with boys. Girls hate wrestling.
    It never happened. There was no party. She’s lying.

  291. @Anonymous
    "Innocent men rarely face rape charges — Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator]."

    Can you imagine hiring a lawyer and successfully clearing your name for less money than several mortgage payments?

    Replies: @Alden

    Guys who know absolutely nothing about the criminal justice system, investigations and rape should shut up
    and stop posting their ignorance

    False rape accusations don’t get to court because the detectives investigate and conclude nothing happened.

    It never gets to the district attorney. No charges are filed. Most criminal charges are settled without going to a trial. The attorneys comprise and defendant pleas to a lesser charge.

    The detectives both men and women get rid of the false rape accusations.

    You have no idea of the evidence needed to file a criminal charge.

    You probably think a woman goes to the DAs office, makes a claim, the man is immediately arrested without an investigation and there’s a jury trial next week

    The investigating detectives exonerate the men falsely accused of rape. No need to file charges Most false rape claims are so ridiculous the detectives don’t believe the accusation from the first.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    In general, the cops haven't fallen for all that many hate hoaxes. They seem to treat them like other BS cases of insurance fraud or trying to frame somebody that come before them pretty frequently.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @ic1000

  292. 12/ 15 am. Ford claims she now wants to testify but only on her own terms and if her safety is guaranteed.

    Her own terms probably mean no questions.

    I hate liberals but I doubt Kavanaugh like every Republican supreme will do a thing for Whites. So who cares who becomes a supreme scumbag?

  293. @Jim Don Bob
    Another crazy bitch is heard from: Ford Classmate Claims Kavanaugh Incident Happened, Then Deletes Facebook Post.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/ford-classmate-claims-kavanaugh-incident-happened-then-deletes-facebook-post/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910, @Alden

    Classmate immediately retracted when she realized she’d have to answer questions such as; What year did this happen? Where did this happen?

  294. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    Another old codger pontificating about modern girls about whom he knows nothing

    Maybe you should ask your 30 year old grand daughters about what modern girls do.

    No wonder no men younger than 60 post on this senior citizen site.

  295. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Guys who know absolutely nothing about the criminal justice system, investigations and rape should shut up
    and stop posting their ignorance

    False rape accusations don’t get to court because the detectives investigate and conclude nothing happened.

    It never gets to the district attorney. No charges are filed. Most criminal charges are settled without going to a trial. The attorneys comprise and defendant pleas to a lesser charge.

    The detectives both men and women get rid of the false rape accusations.

    You have no idea of the evidence needed to file a criminal charge.

    You probably think a woman goes to the DAs office, makes a claim, the man is immediately arrested without an investigation and there’s a jury trial next week

    The investigating detectives exonerate the men falsely accused of rape. No need to file charges Most false rape claims are so ridiculous the detectives don’t believe the accusation from the first.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In general, the cops haven’t fallen for all that many hate hoaxes. They seem to treat them like other BS cases of insurance fraud or trying to frame somebody that come before them pretty frequently.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s not what these old codgers who know absolutely nothing about the criminal justice system or investigations think.

    They sit in their nursing homes cruise the internet and think that women go directly to the district attorney make the false claim and the poor guy is on trail the next week with no investigation at all. Ignoramuses think every charge ends in a law and order type jury trial. The majority end in a plea bargain not a trial

    And the nursing home morons have absolutely no idea of the evidence and proof a crime has been committed needed just to talk to a DA about filing charges let alone actually filing charges.

    Too much internet cruising, not enough life experience

    Anyway you can get some men under 60 on the site Steve?

    , @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    Problem is, there aren’t any male attorneys or law enforcement men on this site or men young enough to know about todays dating or whatever scene.

    These old codgers in their nursing homes have absolutely no knowledge of law enforcement the legal system or investigations whether criminal insurance or even what a school teacher or supervisor would with an accusation

    These old codgers assume that a woman can go directly to a district attorney with a false rape claim the DA files charges that day and the poor guy is defendant on a TV type jury trial the next week.

    Way it works the woman reports the alleged incident to the police a detective is assigned and a through investigation is made.

    If the detectives think the woman is lying the accused is exonerated and the matter is dropped.

    But the old codgers think every accusation results in a jury trial.

    Would it be possible to get some younger men who actually have wives and girl friends instead of these elderly celibates whose only knowledge of women comes from cruising ‘ “young people are all drunken debauched dopers” sites?

    , @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    > In general, the cops haven’t fallen for all that many hate hoaxes.

    Maybe journalists, academics, and politicians could learn something from listening to those cops.

  296. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You have this exactly backward. Modern girls go out drinking IN ORDER to have sex, not to avoid having it. The more strictly raised the girl has been, the more she drinks in order to lower her inhibitions enough to the point where she can enjoy sex without guilt.

    Even in our crazy mixed up world, somehow in people's imagination boys are having a lot more (heterosexual) sex than girls but the reality is that there is an exact 1 for 1 correspondence.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Forbes, @AnotherDad, @Alden, @Alden

    Oh yeah, like men never approach women unless they are drunk. If a women wants sex all she has to do is leave her house and she’ll be approached by some horny beast.

    No need to go to a bar and or get drunk.
    If you were my elderly father in law I’d never let you be alone with my daughters.

  297. @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    In general, the cops haven't fallen for all that many hate hoaxes. They seem to treat them like other BS cases of insurance fraud or trying to frame somebody that come before them pretty frequently.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @ic1000

    That’s not what these old codgers who know absolutely nothing about the criminal justice system or investigations think.

    They sit in their nursing homes cruise the internet and think that women go directly to the district attorney make the false claim and the poor guy is on trail the next week with no investigation at all. Ignoramuses think every charge ends in a law and order type jury trial. The majority end in a plea bargain not a trial

    And the nursing home morons have absolutely no idea of the evidence and proof a crime has been committed needed just to talk to a DA about filing charges let alone actually filing charges.

    Too much internet cruising, not enough life experience

    Anyway you can get some men under 60 on the site Steve?

  298. @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    In general, the cops haven't fallen for all that many hate hoaxes. They seem to treat them like other BS cases of insurance fraud or trying to frame somebody that come before them pretty frequently.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @ic1000

    Problem is, there aren’t any male attorneys or law enforcement men on this site or men young enough to know about todays dating or whatever scene.

    These old codgers in their nursing homes have absolutely no knowledge of law enforcement the legal system or investigations whether criminal insurance or even what a school teacher or supervisor would with an accusation

    These old codgers assume that a woman can go directly to a district attorney with a false rape claim the DA files charges that day and the poor guy is defendant on a TV type jury trial the next week.

    Way it works the woman reports the alleged incident to the police a detective is assigned and a through investigation is made.

    If the detectives think the woman is lying the accused is exonerated and the matter is dropped.

    But the old codgers think every accusation results in a jury trial.

    Would it be possible to get some younger men who actually have wives and girl friends instead of these elderly celibates whose only knowledge of women comes from cruising ‘ “young people are all drunken debauched dopers” sites?

  299. @sabril
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Thanks, as a side note, I think that it's probably a terrible idea for a husband to agree to marriage counseling. To the extent that the marriage counselor acts as a de facto mediator of marital disputes, the counselor will tend to favor the wife, especially if she can elicit sympathy by spinning tales of abuse.

    Besides, the key to a decent marital relationship is that the man should exert authority over his wife and insist on taking responsibility for the key decisions. That's what women want anyway. The man can exert his authority in various ways, but if he goes to marriage counseling with his wife, it necessarily will undermine his authority. Would the captain of a ship go to counseling with one of his officers if the two are having a problem? Of course not, the captain must take charge and his officers must live with his decisions made for the benefit of the entire crew. A wife needs and deserves the same treatment -- benevolent dictatorship.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    Another 90 Year old virgin fundamentalist pontificating from his nursing home computer. If you ever were married I bet you were the most henpecked *****whipped husband ever with a dominating castrating shrew of a wife.

  300. @Alden
    @Mike Sylwester

    It’s not just Feinstein. All Jews are adamant that Catholics should not be on the Supreme Court. It’s because Jews know that judges, not presidents governors and legislators rule this country.

    Ostensibly it’s because abortion is the first commandment of Judaism and Catholics are against abortion. It’s not really that it’s because Catholics were the only religion that expelled Jews and prevailed against them.

    They will never forgive Spain and Isabella for expelling Jews and Muslims.

    That’s all, a 2,000 year old vicious hatred.

    Feinstein may have been raised secular, but her entire time in politics she did everything she could to advance Jews.

    Her early financial backers in San Francisco were Jews Walter Shorenstein Roger Boas the Magnins of the department store Pritzker Milton Marks and Mickey Ziffren.

    She found radical Jew Barbara Boxer and her fundraisers funded Boxers career. Feinstein has pushed the Jewish agenda forever. She was holding lesbian weddings in her home as early as 1974.

    Replies: @Alden

    Forgot, third husband Richard Blum multi billionaire operator of Chinese slave labor camps funded Feinsteins first county Board of Supervisors campaign 1968 I think and has funded her ever since.

  301. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Aardvark

    That is why the real Americans should have gone to the mattresses for Roy Moore. This is their playbook now. This will happen every time now to anyone remotely to the right of Obama's 2012 purported beliefs.

    Lord are Senate Repubs the most worthless blob of biological cells that has ever walked the earth.

    Replies: @Alden

    Republicans are useless. The Democrats got Roy Moore on some false sex claims from 30 years ago. Considering what gross lechers Democrats are they are the worst hypocrites in the world .

  302. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Apparently, Ford has admitted she was drinking at the party, which might explain some of her confusion and could lead to misidentification.

    Sometimes, it really is not a good idea for high-school kids to drink.
     
    Ya think?

    I'd go a bit further and say it's not a good idea for women to drink. That's pretty much the first bullet of "personal safety" and "rape avoidance" advice I gave my girls.

    I don't know when this idea got established that it was ok--perfectly natural--for girls to "go out drinking". The traditional advice was exactly the reverse--and correct. 95%--certainly probably more like 99%--of these confused "rape" scenarios involve women getting drunk, and violating two or three other maxims of appropriate female behavior. (Not having a girlfriend buddy, being alone with a guy, going to a bedroom, not keeping your feet on the floor, etc. etc.)

    Yep, PD modern times seems to be essentially a morally play to demonstrate the truth of traditional wisdom and plain common sense.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Alden

    I doubt you have children. No one who hates women the way you do would go near enough to a woman to have children. I doubt you’ve ever had a conversation with a woman in your life.

    Going to a party is not “ going out drinking”. Going out drinking means going to bars with no other thing planned but drinking in bars.

    Going to a party and having a drink is not going out for the purpose of drinking.

    An old man like you should not pontificate about what young people are doing since you know nothing about what young people do.

    Those drunk sluts you see on internet porn sites are actresses acting out old men’s fantasies. That’s not how young women actually behave.

  303. @El Dato
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jR-OCl4rG0

    From earlier:

    2016-11-02: Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven't The Media Covered It? There are two big reasons.

    What happened to to the rape accusation against Gérard Depardieu, btw?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Alden

    Depardieu wrote an auto biography. He left home in his late teens. He claims he was a criminal who committed a lot of robberies and rapes. The rapes were common criminal rapes. He grabbed perfect strangers overpowered and raped them that’s what he wrote

  304. @El Dato
    @Inquiring Mind


    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?
     
    The Justice League of America agrees! Such devilish behaviour shall be disqualifying forevermore. Brand him!

    Freud would be drooling ... we want Whores on TV, Madonnas in the Courtroom. Sex is forbidden, and also demanded, especially if rough. Gangsters are saints, normal people are evil.

    God is in the TV.

    Replies: @Alden

    Another ancient Puritan chimes in.

    While we’re at it, let’s make it illegal for anyone who ever had a drink under the age of 21 to get any kind of occupational license at all; attorney, nurse X-RAY tech plumber electrician bug exterminator librarian teacher health inspector building inspector contractor

    So from the fake assault accusation you have decided that Kacanaugh illegally drank at age 17.

    But you’re wrong. It’s not illegal for minors to drink in a private home club or at a private party. It’s only illegal for them to buy liquor or sell or serve it to them in a bar or restaurant. Or drink it when driving. Or carry an open container around outside or while driving

    In other words, a 20 year old bride can have a drink at her wedding at the Moose Lodge Masonic Hall country club or her home.

    I knew a judge who was so drunk after lunch his head kept falling on the desk. The DA and defense attorney had snot dribbling out of their noses from the cocaine they used at lunch. Court reporter and bailiff red eyed from weed.

    Why do you think so many judges try to rush through the calendar in the morning? So they can get drunk at lunch and not totally mess up
    after lunch.

    I just am gobsmacked, bowled over, continually astonished at the high levels of morality and virtue displayed on this website.

  305. @MarkinLA
    @Twinkie

    I understand that. This is why Aldrich Ames was able to beat it even when lying. However, even someone unpracticed who actually believes their own lies would also be able to pass it just because to them they are not lying and would not cause the usual physical responses.

    Supposedly this Dr. Ford has already taken one and passed it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    However, even someone unpracticed who actually believes their own lies would also be able to pass it just because to them they are not lying and would not cause the usual physical responses.

    Yes. She also could have been medicated.

  306. @ic1000
    @El Dato

    Re: Sandra Newman's Vox article,"I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile — What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations."

    Feminists like Ms. Newman proclaim that phony rape accusations are vanishingly rare, outside of the flagrant headcases like Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum. Newman wrote,


    Innocent men rarely face rape charges -- Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences [for the accused perpetrator].
     
    "Between 2% and 10% of all reports" links to an anonymous 4-page opinion piece at the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (PDF).

    For starters: Newman et al. ignore that it's extremely difficult to define "false rape accusation" in a way that makes the category both meaningful and amenable to estimation. A favored bait-and-switch is to focus on counting accusations that have been proven false, placing all other cases in the "true" bin.

    You can minimize all sorts of inconvenient problems when you control the terms of the debate.

    Replies: @L Woods, @ben tillman, @Alden

    The witch is right that innocent men rarely face false charges IF IF she means criminal charges after a competent police detective investigates and a district attorney decides there is enough compelling evidence to file charges.

    The burden of proof in criminal cases is very high. District attorneys don’t file cases unless the evidence the detective finds will
    Met the burden of proof. In other words attorneys don’t file case unless they are very sure they will win.

    But if by false charges she means a woman with a grudge makes a claim that’s an entirely different thing

    A police report of rape isn’t a criminal charge.

    I don’t know why all you White men are so defensive about rape. It’s basically a brown and black male thing. And sex offense detectives DA investigators and DAs know that.

    White men just don’t fit the profile. More than 20 years a probation officer in a small 10 Percent black county with the rape caseload. Every single rapist in the county was black. Every single one. Now it’s about 1/3 Hispanic 2/3 Black.

    Detectives are very skeptical of he said she said accusations against White men.

    But you guys don’t know anything about who commits rapes and get all defensive.

    Of course colleges are completely different Colleges are staffed by vicious minions of Satan out to destroy White men. White asian and Hispanic girls raped by black men used to be accused of racism. Probably still are.

  307. @Inquiring Mind
    @Boethiuss

    Drinking under a specified age is, by the way, against the law, and we expect a certain degree of probity of persons serving on courts at all levels?

    Is there any evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was drinking and drinking heavily at social events without adult supervision while in high school? Whether he assaulted Professor Ford is nigh impossible to prove or disprove, but whether he was drinking under age or not, there should be numerous witness to that. And there is a precedent for illegal substance use disqualifying a person for the Supreme Court?


    My modest proposal is that going forward, any evidence of illegal substance use -- underage drinking, marijuana or other controlled substances, misuse of prescription medicine -- should disqualify anyone from serving on the court. See

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_H._Ginsburg




    (From the SNL sketch "The Rolling Paper Chase")

    "You know what your problem is? Your approach to the law is uptight. You need this! (hands student a blunt)"


    "But Professor Ginsburg, isn't that illegal?"

    "Yeah, yeah."

    Later that night after students gain profound insight into Constitutional Law by the mind-expanding properties of marijuana:

    "So Professor, James Madison didn't just write the Constitution -- he, like, discovered it?"

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Lot, @Alden

    Under age drinking is legal in a private home. So there was no violation of any law.

    Of course any day now the Carrie Nation Puritans night make it illegal for anyone under 21 to drink in a private home.

    I’m sure the old codger exemplars of the highest virtue and morality on this site will lobby to make it s crime for a minor to drink in a private home.

    Kind of goes against the homeschooling government stay out of my private affairs conservative ideas though.

  308. @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    In general, the cops haven't fallen for all that many hate hoaxes. They seem to treat them like other BS cases of insurance fraud or trying to frame somebody that come before them pretty frequently.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @ic1000

    > In general, the cops haven’t fallen for all that many hate hoaxes.

    Maybe journalists, academics, and politicians could learn something from listening to those cops.

  309. @Alden
    @ic1000

    I learned a lot about detecting BS when I was a probation officer. I don’t believe a word she said.

    Doesn’t know what month or year. Doesn’t know how she got there Doesn’t know how she got home Doesn’t even know the town the party was in.

    I didn’t have many women in my caseload but the guys told me many tall tales. I remember one woman who gave this as an alibi when she was arrested for killing her child.

    She was kidnapped by a bus driver. She was the only passenger on the bus. He drove her to an abandoned apartment in the projects and they stayed there for 5 weeks with the bus parked outside. He stayed there and didn’t go to work thus losing 5 weeks salary.

    I asked her how they managed food. She said they went to macdonalds in his bus. I asked her if the lights and water were on she said yes. I called the housing authority and asked if they kept lights and water on in empty apartments. Housing authority said no

    While she was kidnapped some other dude or dudette must have killed the kid.

    Ms Ford is just making the whole thing up Being a liberal woman college professor she is an aristocrat and her BS must be believed.

    Liberals turn on a dime. It was only 20 years ago that Paula Jones who was grabbed and exposed to and ordered to suck it and Juanita Broderick who was hit had a swollen bloody lip and really was peneterated raped were deemed liars and trash.

    Now liberals believe Ms Ford’s BS about something that never happened.

    Their brains are empty sinks. Propaganda Central turns on the tap and fills the empty sink with BS and the liberal believes it.

    A year later propaganda central comes up with some exact opposite BS. The plug is pulled last year’s BS is drained out and the empty sink is filled with the latest BS.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Get some Republican women to ask the questions. They’ll see through her bullshit faster than any man, and she can’t accuse them eif Old Boy’s Network dynamics.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Rosamond Vincy

    That's giving in to their frame. This doesn't end until Republican men find some manliness, or R voters find some more manly candidates. Postmodern feminism is the weaponization of a fitness test that most men of a certain age (especially R men) have been failing their whole lives.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  310. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Desiderius

    Mueller? Did Trump make some kind of deal with him?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Mueller is the GOPe’s gun to Trump’s head. That’s why he’s stuck so close to their agenda, including Kav, and not to Bannon’s. Since he has, they haven’t needed to pull the trigger, but the gun’s still loaded if it becomes necessary to use it.

  311. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Alden

    Get some Republican women to ask the questions. They'll see through her bullshit faster than any man, and she can't accuse them eif Old Boy's Network dynamics.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    That’s giving in to their frame. This doesn’t end until Republican men find some manliness, or R voters find some more manly candidates. Postmodern feminism is the weaponization of a fitness test that most men of a certain age (especially R men) have been failing their whole lives.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Desiderius

    No, their frame is all men are just a bunch of big ol' bullies. Don't let this woman become a martyr.

    If you think conservative women will go easier on her than men would, you don't know women.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  312. @Bill

    As I’ve been pointing out, so far nobody has come forward to stay that Ms. Blasey-Ford accused Kavanaugh by name before he became famous in late 2011 voting against Obamacare and then got talked up in early 2012 as a Supreme Court nominee. Her husband says she was worried about Kavanaugh getting on the Supreme Court when she they went to marriage counseling (although Kavanaugh’s name doesn’t appear in the therapist’s notes).
     
    This seems like a somewhat dangerous argument to me. A hypothetical crazy, dishonest, lefty woman is likely to have some crazy, dishonest, lefty friends willing to remember that she said something that one time . . .

    Replies: @Alden

    Her friends who went to school with her or lived in the area 37 years ago might be happy to testify at a Stalinesque trial in a college or an NPR interview where anything can be said about a White man.

    But the woman who claims she heard about it at the time now says she won’t testify
    She realizes she’d have to answer specific questions such as what year what town And if caught in a lie it would be perjury.

  313. @Desiderius
    @Rosamond Vincy

    That's giving in to their frame. This doesn't end until Republican men find some manliness, or R voters find some more manly candidates. Postmodern feminism is the weaponization of a fitness test that most men of a certain age (especially R men) have been failing their whole lives.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    No, their frame is all men are just a bunch of big ol’ bullies. Don’t let this woman become a martyr.

    If you think conservative women will go easier on her than men would, you don’t know women.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Rosamond Vincy

    What conservative women?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  314. @El Dato
    I’ve studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn’t fit the profile -- What I learned reading hundreds of false rape accusations.

    Studies have found that false accusations are quite rare, but when they do happen, they tend to share several important characteristics. To anyone familiar with false rape accusations, the striking thing about this story is that it’s so undramatic. False stories typically have a lurid quality, often involving bizarre forms of cruelty that don’t always strictly make sense.

    ...

    The reason for this dramatizing tendency is clear. There’s no point in making up a rape story that may cause people to minimize the seriousness of the allegation or make them think, “So what?” It’s crucial to a false accuser to tell a story so horrific that no normal person could fail to be moved.

    In Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, we have none of this. The event described feels common. Ford emphasizes that both Kavanaugh and Judge seemed to have no inkling of the seriousness of what they were doing, and the story ends with the slapstick note of Judge knocking them all into an ungainly heap.

    Finally, while Ford’s alleged story of drunken wrestling sounds nothing like a false rape accusation, it does sound exactly like millions of real attempted rapes. It’s such a common story that it’s likely happening to many people as you read this sentence.

    In fact, when defenders of Kavanaugh aren’t insisting Ford is a liar, they’re energetically arguing that what Kavanaugh is accused of is so normal it doesn’t matter. If we ever hope to live in a world where it isn’t normal, we cannot continue to elevate alleged sex offenders to the highest positions in our society.

    Sandra Newman is the author of several books, including the novels The Country of Ice Cream Star and The Heavens, forthcoming from Grove Atlantic/Granta in February 2019. She has written for the Guardian, the Atlantic, Aeon, Quartz, and Slate, among other publications.
     

    I should really have attempted more rapes when young.

    Replies: @ic1000, @TWS, @Alden

    None of these alleged rape experts have
    ever spoken with a police detective or prosecutor who investigate real rapes every day.

    They just read BS academic journals written by the same type of leftist liar as themselves.

    I’ll never forget the absolute horror wh grant hustlers felt when they invaded invaded my office and learned that their beloved pets, black low lives committed all the rapes in the county.

    Of course a few years before those same liberal women had grant hustled to do studies claiming blacks never raped but were set up by evil racist White women and White police

  315. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Desiderius

    No, their frame is all men are just a bunch of big ol' bullies. Don't let this woman become a martyr.

    If you think conservative women will go easier on her than men would, you don't know women.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    What conservative women?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Desiderius

    There must be some in govt. They can't all be pundits like Ingraham, Coulter, et al.

  316. @Alden
    @Twinkie

    2 Tzandine muscle relaxers will make you so mellow you can pass a lie detector test.

    Replies: @JimB

    Passing in one out of five tries works, too.

  317. @Desiderius
    @Rosamond Vincy

    What conservative women?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    There must be some in govt. They can’t all be pundits like Ingraham, Coulter, et al.

  318. @Clyde
    The obvious Democrat tactic here is delay delay delay. Ms Blasey Ford expecting the FBI to investigate high school horseplay from 35 years ago is absurd. Even most liberals know this. The Republicans should proceed with all votes needed to confirm Kavanaugh.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    The other reason they want to delay is to try to find (i.e., conjure up) a second woman to accuse Kavanaugh of something similar. Then it’s a “pattern.” I am sure that they are beating the bushes in every leftist circle to find a volunteer whose story could conceivably be credible (e.g., because she went to school around the same time and place as him, or had a roommate who clerked for him, etc.).

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @EdwardM

    Must be having some trouble. They will claim the others are too scared to come forward, but probably all they're finding are women who say "honorable and decent" with an occasional "We made out after the REO Speedwagon concert. It was OK until he burped in my face" thrown in.

  319. @EdwardM
    @Clyde

    The other reason they want to delay is to try to find (i.e., conjure up) a second woman to accuse Kavanaugh of something similar. Then it's a "pattern." I am sure that they are beating the bushes in every leftist circle to find a volunteer whose story could conceivably be credible (e.g., because she went to school around the same time and place as him, or had a roommate who clerked for him, etc.).

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Must be having some trouble. They will claim the others are too scared to come forward, but probably all they’re finding are women who say “honorable and decent” with an occasional “We made out after the REO Speedwagon concert. It was OK until he burped in my face” thrown in.

  320. • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Looks like the second one is falling flat. (Even if it's true -- a guy flashed his willy in a group setting at a drunken college party? So what.)

    Time to find a third!

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  321. @Rosamond Vincy
    They finally found somebody:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6199903/Brett-Kavanaugh-hit-SECOND-sex-misconduct-allegation-Yale-classmate-claims-exposed-himself.html

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Looks like the second one is falling flat. (Even if it’s true — a guy flashed his willy in a group setting at a drunken college party? So what.)

    Time to find a third!

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @EdwardM

    They're up to 4 now, but they seem to be mostly "drunk guy acts like idiot" anecdotes, not assault.

    BTW, I posted this on another article, but I think it's relevant:

    I went to my share of frat parties during college. I had fun and never was injured or coerced into anything, although I did witness damage to males on two occasions:

    1. When pledges from another frat had to show up dressed up like Angus from AC/DC and sing a series of insulting songs as part of their hazing, and one of the hosting frat brothers turned the fire extinguisher on them;

    2. When one guy inevitably showed up to the Halloween party dressed as a giant male body part, complete with the obligatory can of whipped cream, and someone else inevitably tried to set fire to his costume. Both ended up in the hospital treated for burns.

  322. @EdwardM
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Looks like the second one is falling flat. (Even if it's true -- a guy flashed his willy in a group setting at a drunken college party? So what.)

    Time to find a third!

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    They’re up to 4 now, but they seem to be mostly “drunk guy acts like idiot” anecdotes, not assault.

    BTW, I posted this on another article, but I think it’s relevant:

    I went to my share of frat parties during college. I had fun and never was injured or coerced into anything, although I did witness damage to males on two occasions:

    1. When pledges from another frat had to show up dressed up like Angus from AC/DC and sing a series of insulting songs as part of their hazing, and one of the hosting frat brothers turned the fire extinguisher on them;

    2. When one guy inevitably showed up to the Halloween party dressed as a giant male body part, complete with the obligatory can of whipped cream, and someone else inevitably tried to set fire to his costume. Both ended up in the hospital treated for burns.

  323. @Rosamond Vincy
    @ben tillman

    That sounds like a much better strategy than going through a few lines of the narcissist's prayer: ("It didn't happen. Well, maybe it happened but it wasn't that bad....")

    Any attempt to take a boys-will-be-boys line will feed right into feminazi claims about sexual assault not being taken seriously, etc.

    What's needed is the implication that because of her shaky story, verifiable assaults are questioned and the victims are reluctant to come forward.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    That sounds like a much better strategy than going through a few lines of the narcissist’s prayer: (“It didn’t happen. Well, maybe it happened but it wasn’t that bad….”)

    Any attempt to take a boys-will-be-boys line will feed right into feminazi claims about sexual assault not being taken seriously, etc.

    What’s needed is the implication that because of her shaky story, verifiable assaults are questioned and the victims are reluctant to come forward.

    Look — my cross would be full of my own testimony. I didn’t get married until I was over 40, and I dated lots of women, including 7 or 8 who told me they had been raped. One of them gave them a bonus story about her sister being raped.

    After going through all the credibility stuff I outlined in the earlier comment, I’d go through all those stories and say I believed every one, and then say, “but I don’t believe you.” And then I’d take it from there.

  324. @Jim Don Bob
    @ben tillman

    Great idea. Now name me one R senator with the cojones to do that.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @ben tillman

    Great idea. .

    Thank you. Cross-examination is part of my job.

  325. @academic gossip
    @advancedatheist

    I have a pet theory that would explain the late-onset M2F tranny phenomenon that Steve writes about: male Histrionic Personality Disorder (which is uncommon in heterosexual men) with low-level autism as the underlying cause.

    The DSM "cluster B" disorders involving low empathy (HPD, NPD, BPD, ASPD), and usually above average intelligence, have a variety of symptoms resembling low-level autism, and are heritable and probably neurological. I suspect autism is behind all of these disorders and which specific cluster B manifestations appear is determined by life history, hormone levels and other mostly non-neurological factors. It is known that these disorders tend not to go away, but co-occur and are somewhat mutable and can interconvert, like one Thing that can show itself with different faces.

    Start with an Aspergery male, especially one with a drive toward success, adulation, dominance, or attention (Jenner, Rothblatt). They might fully qualify for a cluster B diagnosis like NPD, but that's not required. Add in hormonal changes in mid-life and the autism-manifestation morphs into the attention-seeking HPD behavior. They want to be gay or dress up or whatever, but autistically push it to the extreme of being a transsexual, in line with their lifelong tendency to push to the limit in all things.

    Software industry trannies also fit the autist pattern.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @academic gossip

    Another correlation with autism: in his latest (22 Sept) article on dysgenics Lance Welton points out that 36 percent of M2F transsexuals are left-handed.

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS