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From the New York Times, another #MeToo moment:

Junot Díaz Steps Down as Pulitzer Chairman Amid Review of Misconduct Allegations

Leaving aside the #MeToo stuff, what’s interesting to me with my fascination with dogs that don’t bark is that, apparently, nobody had thought there was anything in this talented Dominican-born novelist’s outspoken anti-whitenes s that ought to at least raise questions about his racial biases (such as his tin-eared denunciation of “unbearable too-whiteness”) when it comes to heading an award-giving process, such as his being Pulitzer Prize board chairman.

As far as I can tell, nobody dared mention this question publicly. If anything, Diaz’s public stance of anger against whites was presumably seen as a good thing in his judging awards.

Commenter Anon writes on the awkward paradoxes faced by somebody like Diaz:

Maybe the guy is a jerk, and I haven’t read all of OSCAR WAO, but the first chapter was tour de force. Great stuff.

These mixed Latinos are awful confused. They are fallen imperialists. They conquered so much and subjugated so many people. But they mixed with the people they conquered and enslaved. So, whites and those with lighter skin cling to their privilege in their own domains. They prefer being white or light than dark or black. Also, Spain, once the greatest power in Europe, became one of the poorest and most backward.

But in the US, they feel a double layer of resentment: As inferior whites and as non-whites.

As Latin whites, they feel inferior to Anglos or gringos who did so much more. They feel swarthy and tainted. Also, if they’d counted as white or light in Latin America, they stick out as non-white when they move to the US. Latinos are people who want to look white and be with whites but count as non-white.

So, they accuse white Americans of ‘racism’. But they are plenty ‘racist’ against darker-skinned people in Latin America. They accuse white Americans of what they themselves are ‘guilty’ of in Latin America and far more blatantly. Because they feel this ‘insult’ — even when white Americans show no hostility to them — , they tend to identify with non-whites than whites. Most Hispanic whites pretend they’re People of Color. But deep down inside, they know Latin America is a place where people want to be white as possible.

They want to come to the US because White Americans did so much better. So, they appreciate the US. But then, they also want to see White America destroyed because its success is testament to the utter failure of Latin America. It’s like an ugly woman who is obsessed with a beautiful woman and gazes at her in admiration but also wants to see her dead out of resentment.

It’s further complicated because white Americans, who’d been gloriously race-ist in the past, are now promoting Diversity and POC, the very stuff that so many Latinos are trying to get away from when they come to El Norte.

Now, if Latinos were honest about their feelings, we could all arrive at some kind of understanding. …

 
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  1. Could it be simply that too much chili and cumin in the diet makes one a fuck-up?

  2. I do hope you’re not being rude about my Uncle Luis.

  3. It’s further complicated because white Americans, who’d been gloriously race-ist in the past, are now promoting Diversity and POC,

    That sure explains the pro-diversity POC march photo in this latest from WAPO.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2018/05/11/when-a-u-va-graduate-read-his-bible-on-the-steps-of-the-rotunda-the-school-called-police/

  4. I’ve always enjoyed the back and forth between Haitians and Dominicans.

    I think it says something interesting about racial politics when two peoples who have inhabited the same small island for hundreds of years can’t get along, even in the US. Also, interesting how they vote for the same party because of aligned interests.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @songbird

    Take a look at a photo of Hispaniola taken from satellite. The Haitian side of the island has been stripped of vegetation. Two very different peoples.

    , @Jack Highlands
    @songbird

    And that's true, even despite that Dominicans aren't actually mestizos, the racial category of the great majority of Hispanics in the US. The DR is a mulatto nation ruled by an approximately octoroon elite, whereas Haiti is a black nation ruled by an approximately mulatto elite. In both nations, there are essentially only European and African genes, but it's the mix that counts.

  5. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    They want to come to the US because White Americans did so much better. So, they appreciate the US. But then, they also want to see White America destroyed because its success is testament to the utter failure of Latin America. It’s like an ugly woman who is obsessed with a beautiful woman and gazes at her in admiration but also wants to see her dead out of resentment.

    This is the essence of anti-white, everywhere. All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries. Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives. But they resent their own inadequacies and failings and want it torn down. They vote, and they breed, and soon enough the white society is nonwhite and crummy, and they know it, but do it anyway.

    In human societies this has played out again and again. But usually it happens so slowly that no one sees it in their own lives. However, in modern societies, we have been seeing the process dramatically speeded up. The obvious conclusion is that there is a catalyst involved that causes the reaction to happen far more rapidly.

    Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    @Anonymous

    you asked a rhetorical question, but I'll answer it anyway:

    the catalyst is...1...2...3....4......


    organzied, White Western Civ-hating Jewry.

    , @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries."

    Probably because for over four hundred years white nations sought to, shall we say, "introduce themselves and stay as extended guests" in non-white nations. Some would argue that turnabout is fair play.

    "Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives."

    Resource appropriation. White Europeans sought it was best to take raw materials that non-white people were not using properly with little or no compensation. Think of it as perpetual gimmedats and free stuff.

    "Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?"

    It was called colonization and imperialism.

    "So, whites and those with lighter skin cling to their privilege in their own domains. They prefer being white or light than dark or black."

    Consider that Europeans, in this case the Spanish and the Portuguese, had imposed a strict racial caste system in South America. It was taught from birth that the lighter you are, the more desirable you are.

    Replies: @Disordered

  6. This is what I have noticed.

    Non-whites that complain the most about racism tend to be lightly complected for their own race ( Indian, black, Chinese) . They seem to be upset they don’t get the status accorded to them from whites that they get in their own community for their light skin. And they are as racist as hell towards other minorities.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Weyyar

    As I pointed out long ago (Steve even quoted me in a post): the darker a "black" person is, the more likely they are to be a Republican.

    For all intents and purposes, there are no "high-yella" Republicans.

    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @Weyyar

    You're right.

    This seems to be part of greater pattern: the loudest and most obnoxious complainers tend to be the people least hurt by the target of their complaint. The ones most affected by the problem have neither the strength, nor the time, nor the respectability, nor the media presence, nor the sense of entitlement needed to write long pieces on oppression and be heard by the gullible guilt-ridden middle class.

  7. Diaz being anti-White is a plus. The rich hereditary elite are honorary non-Whites. That has been the whole aim of the entire Civil Rights movement. It was an alliance between Blacks and elite Whites like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and others to denigrate and destroy the White middle class so already existing political, commercial, social, and cultural dynasties could rule without any ugly requirements about consent of the people.

    The entire viewpoint of the people who run the universities, military, government, law enforcement, courts, media, entertainment, and large businesses is that the ordinary straight White male (women exempted of course) is a nascent Nazi or Klan leader endlessly trying his best to shoot little kids or the elderly or beating some 12 year old Black boy to death.

    This is just the dynastic impulse being expressed, nothing more and nothing less. Of course Diaz was the right person. He hated their mutual enemy: the White middle class which had to be destroyed for the Kennedys, Clintons, Gates, Buffetts, etc. to rule unopposed as barons over the Deplorables.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Whiskey


    Diaz being anti-White is a plus. The rich hereditary elite are honorary non-Whites. That has been the whole aim of the entire Civil Rights movement. It was an alliance between Blacks and elite Whites like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and others to denigrate and destroy the White middle class so already existing political, commercial, social, and cultural dynasties could rule without any ugly requirements about consent of the people
     
    Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?

    the White middle class which had to be destroyed for the Kennedys, Clintons, Gates, Buffetts, etc. to rule unopposed as barons over the Deplorables.
     
    You mean the oligarch class? The one that's at least 35% Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  8. @Weyyar
    This is what I have noticed.

    Non-whites that complain the most about racism tend to be lightly complected for their own race ( Indian, black, Chinese) . They seem to be upset they don't get the status accorded to them from whites that they get in their own community for their light skin. And they are as racist as hell towards other minorities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    As I pointed out long ago (Steve even quoted me in a post): the darker a “black” person is, the more likely they are to be a Republican.

    For all intents and purposes, there are no “high-yella” Republicans.

  9. Reward systems also are a major factor in their animosity to whites. Being anti white is a great career move, no where more so than in Jewish led industries. If you are a white Latino male and want to be a novelist, hating whites and identifying as a POC is a very smart career move especially in an era where males are dwindling among the ranks of successful writers of general fiction. There is always a demand for a Latino or black male to hate on whitey.

  10. Junot Diaz has many problems. He is a black man in the USA. He had a very abusive upbringing. His partner is a Chinese/white mixture, Marjorie Liu. These two have serious racial issues that can best be solved outside the USA. They don’t like Caucasians, Europeans, whites.

    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
    @attilathehen

    Is Clement Dio and Iris Nan-Chen the model for Junot Diaz and Marjorie Liu?

    Replies: @attilathehen

  11. > Now, if Latinos were honest about their feelings

    ….they would admit that even Latinas as dark-complected as a DominicanRepublic chick, have a helping of good luck in catching a nice white American husband; and there is even a thriving industry of matchmaking-via-internet of Latina chicks to white guys

  12. @songbird
    I've always enjoyed the back and forth between Haitians and Dominicans.

    I think it says something interesting about racial politics when two peoples who have inhabited the same small island for hundreds of years can't get along, even in the US. Also, interesting how they vote for the same party because of aligned interests.

    Replies: @sayless, @Jack Highlands

    Take a look at a photo of Hispaniola taken from satellite. The Haitian side of the island has been stripped of vegetation. Two very different peoples.

  13. “It’s like an ugly woman who is obsessed with a beautiful woman and gazes at her in admiration but also wants to see her dead out of resentment.”

    Ouch.

  14. “two peoples who have inhabited the same small island for hundreds of years can’t get along”

    They don’t share the island, and couldn’t. Haitians, having long ago murdered the whites, and more importantly, the mulattoes, own the African IQ.

  15. Non-whites that complain the most about racism tend to be lightly complected for their own race ( Indian, black, Chinese)

    Is this related to the fact that the most vociferous feminists are autogynephillic transgender womem?

  16. This is why I think calling people “multiracial” is a bad idea. It gives the impression that race-mixing results in offspring belonging to multiple races, when in fact it results in offspring belonging to no race.

    • Replies: @Dante
    @Svigor

    You are spot on there, That's a brilliant way to put it.

  17. Speaking of #MeToo, this just in: The Eurovision winner is a tribute to the movement. Deflections about anti-semitism abound on social media, but no, it really is that bad. Has to be seen to be believed:

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @AnotherGuessModel

    Some nutty activist decided to attack the UK entry in the Eurovision contest. Yes he is a Leftist.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eurovision-stage-invader-who-grabbed-12526119

  18. Also, Spain, once the greatest power in Europe, became one of the poorest and most backward.

    Does this really bother any Spaniards or Latinos? Spain fell behind because it was so successful in discovering and conquering huge swaths of the earth, winning the lucrative galleon trade, right? And today, it’s a first world country full of beautiful architecture, plus ultramodern infrastructure such as bullet trains. It should feel inferior to whom exactly, now? Great Britain?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sometimes, the comments here can be smart, most times they're usually ignorant. OP got too lost in the theory he missed that he'd wandered far up his arse.

    I mean if you're going to make a dig at European decline, Greece is wearing neon signs.

    , @Disordered
    @Dave Pinsen

    Up until Franco, Spain was poorer than some of its former colonies. Emigration patterns show it. Since then they've done everything better than before - but yes, still a step below North and Central Europeans (from whom Spain has benefitted thanks to the EU, anyway).

    Latinos do get bothered that a lot of their mineral wealth went to prop up Spain, which in theory since having a much larger land empire should have made for us being the rulers of the world - not those pesky Anglos. But, since lots of us are descendants of them, and they lost the hegemonic struggle to France/Britain/Germany, we culturally tend to trust the Anglo world less, and forget the tragedy of Amerindians more often - most are mixed in or Hispanicized already anyway.

    Instead, our republican Latin cultures since the 20th century often are emboldened by anti-US and anti-Western agitprop to stoke patriotism - and since these are often Monroe Doctrine and Cold War victim stories, we have the victim mentality that does not allow for better nation-building. Furthermore, the anti-Anglo feeling was always there, since the days of Felipe II's Armada and Sir Francis Drake. Combine that with a French-friendly Spanish culture since the Bourbons, and Marxist-Leninist dogmas filtered through Fanon's theories of the 3rd World oppressed, and you have a cocktail of reasons explaining why Latinos in general have this mindset.

    Thus, white(ish) and/or elite Latinos indeed suffer from what the OP states, as they are stuck between the two worlds - specially if they move to the First World. He does overstate the failures of the Spaniards, but even now Spain is not the "empire where the sun never sets" of old. This probably triggers elite Latinos even more than modern-day Spaniards (who view the US at a cold distance, but without the excessive distate of the French for example), as they probably have kept more of historical Spaniard culture than the Spanish themselves (both positively and negatively so). Thus these elite Hispanics tend to be hardcore Democrat organizers when they arrive in America, even if they can afford to send their kids to college (AA helps). That said, among their relatively moneyed ranks is also where Hispanic Republicans come from, usually drawn from the more traditionally minded. The middle to lower class browns, as in back home, mostly get in powerful positions due to patronage or populism, usually from the left; but the color continuum always preserved the "criollo" settlers' elite status.

  19. @Whiskey
    Diaz being anti-White is a plus. The rich hereditary elite are honorary non-Whites. That has been the whole aim of the entire Civil Rights movement. It was an alliance between Blacks and elite Whites like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and others to denigrate and destroy the White middle class so already existing political, commercial, social, and cultural dynasties could rule without any ugly requirements about consent of the people.

    The entire viewpoint of the people who run the universities, military, government, law enforcement, courts, media, entertainment, and large businesses is that the ordinary straight White male (women exempted of course) is a nascent Nazi or Klan leader endlessly trying his best to shoot little kids or the elderly or beating some 12 year old Black boy to death.

    This is just the dynastic impulse being expressed, nothing more and nothing less. Of course Diaz was the right person. He hated their mutual enemy: the White middle class which had to be destroyed for the Kennedys, Clintons, Gates, Buffetts, etc. to rule unopposed as barons over the Deplorables.

    Replies: @Svigor

    Diaz being anti-White is a plus. The rich hereditary elite are honorary non-Whites. That has been the whole aim of the entire Civil Rights movement. It was an alliance between Blacks and elite Whites like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and others to denigrate and destroy the White middle class so already existing political, commercial, social, and cultural dynasties could rule without any ugly requirements about consent of the people

    Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?

    the White middle class which had to be destroyed for the Kennedys, Clintons, Gates, Buffetts, etc. to rule unopposed as barons over the Deplorables.

    You mean the oligarch class? The one that’s at least 35% Jewish?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    "Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?"

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    Replies: @bartok, @Steve-O, @stillCARealist, @Jake

  20. @Svigor
    @Whiskey


    Diaz being anti-White is a plus. The rich hereditary elite are honorary non-Whites. That has been the whole aim of the entire Civil Rights movement. It was an alliance between Blacks and elite Whites like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and others to denigrate and destroy the White middle class so already existing political, commercial, social, and cultural dynasties could rule without any ugly requirements about consent of the people
     
    Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?

    the White middle class which had to be destroyed for the Kennedys, Clintons, Gates, Buffetts, etc. to rule unopposed as barons over the Deplorables.
     
    You mean the oligarch class? The one that's at least 35% Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?”

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen, Svigor
    • Replies: @bartok
    @Steve Sailer

    Whether WASPs converted Jews to their religion, or vice versa, is an interesting question. See the collected works of Moldbug for the former argument, Unz.com for the latter.

    The more pressing matter is, now that the wealthy, world-bestriding WASPs and Jews are co-religionists, how quickly and completely will they enact their revenge (Multicultural Lebensraum) on the rest of us?

    Replies: @Jake

    , @Steve-O
    @Steve Sailer

    The Freedom Raiders of the 1960s were disproportionately Jewish. Perhaps the most famous were these gentlemen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner

    , @stillCARealist
    @Steve Sailer

    Wait, the white freedom riders of the 60's were communists, weren't they? The abolitionists of the 19th century were Methodists and other Christians trying to earn their salvation.

    , @Jake
    @Steve Sailer

    Were there any Irish Catholic or Jewish Abolitionists? I suppose there might have been a minor one from each group, but Abolitionism was a WASP thing through and through. The churches filled with it were Quaker, Unitarian, Universalist, and Congregationalist. Northern Episcopalian, Methodist, and Baptist churches also some Abolitionists sentiment.

  21. It totally explains Kendrick Lamar

  22. So probably another reason Rowan Farrow hasn’t received a Pulitzer for his work.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack Hanson

    I might be wrong but I have never heard Ronan Farrow trying to rap (and he sounds white).

  23. @AnotherGuessModel
    Speaking of #MeToo, this just in: The Eurovision winner is a tribute to the movement. Deflections about anti-semitism abound on social media, but no, it really is that bad. Has to be seen to be believed:

    https://youtu.be/fnB783uNjN0

    Replies: @jim jones

    Some nutty activist decided to attack the UK entry in the Eurovision contest. Yes he is a Leftist.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eurovision-stage-invader-who-grabbed-12526119

  24. @songbird
    I've always enjoyed the back and forth between Haitians and Dominicans.

    I think it says something interesting about racial politics when two peoples who have inhabited the same small island for hundreds of years can't get along, even in the US. Also, interesting how they vote for the same party because of aligned interests.

    Replies: @sayless, @Jack Highlands

    And that’s true, even despite that Dominicans aren’t actually mestizos, the racial category of the great majority of Hispanics in the US. The DR is a mulatto nation ruled by an approximately octoroon elite, whereas Haiti is a black nation ruled by an approximately mulatto elite. In both nations, there are essentially only European and African genes, but it’s the mix that counts.

  25. @Svigor
    This is why I think calling people "multiracial" is a bad idea. It gives the impression that race-mixing results in offspring belonging to multiple races, when in fact it results in offspring belonging to no race.

    Replies: @Dante

    You are spot on there, That’s a brilliant way to put it.

  26. @attilathehen
    Junot Diaz has many problems. He is a black man in the USA. He had a very abusive upbringing. His partner is a Chinese/white mixture, Marjorie Liu. These two have serious racial issues that can best be solved outside the USA. They don't like Caucasians, Europeans, whites.

    Replies: @Paul Yarbles

    Is Clement Dio and Iris Nan-Chen the model for Junot Diaz and Marjorie Liu?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @Paul Yarbles

    I googled Dio and Nan-Chen. I didn't come up with anything and I don't know who they are. Are they characters in one of their books?

    Replies: @Paul Yarbles

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    "Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?"

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    Replies: @bartok, @Steve-O, @stillCARealist, @Jake

    Whether WASPs converted Jews to their religion, or vice versa, is an interesting question. See the collected works of Moldbug for the former argument, Unz.com for the latter.

    The more pressing matter is, now that the wealthy, world-bestriding WASPs and Jews are co-religionists, how quickly and completely will they enact their revenge (Multicultural Lebensraum) on the rest of us?

    • Replies: @Jake
    @bartok

    WASPism was born of a Judaizing heresy: Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Neither side converted the other. But when the early WASP archetype Oliver Cromwell needed cash to slaughter more white Christians, Jews were ready to give it to him.

    That pre-martial sex eventually led us to this point.

  28. @Dave Pinsen

    Also, Spain, once the greatest power in Europe, became one of the poorest and most backward.
     
    Does this really bother any Spaniards or Latinos? Spain fell behind because it was so successful in discovering and conquering huge swaths of the earth, winning the lucrative galleon trade, right? And today, it's a first world country full of beautiful architecture, plus ultramodern infrastructure such as bullet trains. It should feel inferior to whom exactly, now? Great Britain?

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Disordered

    Sometimes, the comments here can be smart, most times they’re usually ignorant. OP got too lost in the theory he missed that he’d wandered far up his arse.

    I mean if you’re going to make a dig at European decline, Greece is wearing neon signs.

  29. they accuse white Americans of ‘racism’. But they are plenty ‘racist’…

    Pretty much describes everyone. But, somehow, we’ve come to point where only Whites are able to be racist; or exercise a racism that matters; which is a kind of compliment.

  30. @Anonymous

    They want to come to the US because White Americans did so much better. So, they appreciate the US. But then, they also want to see White America destroyed because its success is testament to the utter failure of Latin America. It’s like an ugly woman who is obsessed with a beautiful woman and gazes at her in admiration but also wants to see her dead out of resentment.
     
    This is the essence of anti-white, everywhere. All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries. Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives. But they resent their own inadequacies and failings and want it torn down. They vote, and they breed, and soon enough the white society is nonwhite and crummy, and they know it, but do it anyway.

    In human societies this has played out again and again. But usually it happens so slowly that no one sees it in their own lives. However, in modern societies, we have been seeing the process dramatically speeded up. The obvious conclusion is that there is a catalyst involved that causes the reaction to happen far more rapidly.

    Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?

    Replies: @Haxo Angmark, @Corvinus

    you asked a rhetorical question, but I’ll answer it anyway:

    the catalyst is…1…2…3….4……

    organzied, White Western Civ-hating Jewry.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    "Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?"

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    Replies: @bartok, @Steve-O, @stillCARealist, @Jake

    The Freedom Raiders of the 1960s were disproportionately Jewish. Perhaps the most famous were these gentlemen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney,_Goodman,_and_Schwerner

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    "Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?"

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    Replies: @bartok, @Steve-O, @stillCARealist, @Jake

    Wait, the white freedom riders of the 60’s were communists, weren’t they? The abolitionists of the 19th century were Methodists and other Christians trying to earn their salvation.

  33. @Weyyar
    This is what I have noticed.

    Non-whites that complain the most about racism tend to be lightly complected for their own race ( Indian, black, Chinese) . They seem to be upset they don't get the status accorded to them from whites that they get in their own community for their light skin. And they are as racist as hell towards other minorities.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    You’re right.

    This seems to be part of greater pattern: the loudest and most obnoxious complainers tend to be the people least hurt by the target of their complaint. The ones most affected by the problem have neither the strength, nor the time, nor the respectability, nor the media presence, nor the sense of entitlement needed to write long pieces on oppression and be heard by the gullible guilt-ridden middle class.

  34. @Paul Yarbles
    @attilathehen

    Is Clement Dio and Iris Nan-Chen the model for Junot Diaz and Marjorie Liu?

    Replies: @attilathehen

    I googled Dio and Nan-Chen. I didn’t come up with anything and I don’t know who they are. Are they characters in one of their books?

    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
    @attilathehen

    No, they are a couple in the novel The Camp of the Saints. Dio hates the West because of his background. As does his Eurasian wife, Iris. Dio is a journalist and Iris is a writer.

    Replies: @attilathehen

  35. @attilathehen
    @Paul Yarbles

    I googled Dio and Nan-Chen. I didn't come up with anything and I don't know who they are. Are they characters in one of their books?

    Replies: @Paul Yarbles

    No, they are a couple in the novel The Camp of the Saints. Dio hates the West because of his background. As does his Eurasian wife, Iris. Dio is a journalist and Iris is a writer.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @Paul Yarbles

    Thanks for the info. I have to read this book. I have read several comments on this and other websites from white degenerate males who believe white/Asian hybrids will save the West. We see that in fiction and now in reality this does not work out.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  36. @Anonymous

    They want to come to the US because White Americans did so much better. So, they appreciate the US. But then, they also want to see White America destroyed because its success is testament to the utter failure of Latin America. It’s like an ugly woman who is obsessed with a beautiful woman and gazes at her in admiration but also wants to see her dead out of resentment.
     
    This is the essence of anti-white, everywhere. All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries. Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives. But they resent their own inadequacies and failings and want it torn down. They vote, and they breed, and soon enough the white society is nonwhite and crummy, and they know it, but do it anyway.

    In human societies this has played out again and again. But usually it happens so slowly that no one sees it in their own lives. However, in modern societies, we have been seeing the process dramatically speeded up. The obvious conclusion is that there is a catalyst involved that causes the reaction to happen far more rapidly.

    Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?

    Replies: @Haxo Angmark, @Corvinus

    “All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries.”

    Probably because for over four hundred years white nations sought to, shall we say, “introduce themselves and stay as extended guests” in non-white nations. Some would argue that turnabout is fair play.

    “Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives.”

    Resource appropriation. White Europeans sought it was best to take raw materials that non-white people were not using properly with little or no compensation. Think of it as perpetual gimmedats and free stuff.

    “Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?”

    It was called colonization and imperialism.

    “So, whites and those with lighter skin cling to their privilege in their own domains. They prefer being white or light than dark or black.”

    Consider that Europeans, in this case the Spanish and the Portuguese, had imposed a strict racial caste system in South America. It was taught from birth that the lighter you are, the more desirable you are.

    • Replies: @Disordered
    @Corvinus

    1.Define "fair". In reality, what happened was contingent history, as every other invasion beforehand, including the mass murders that created the Incan or Aztec empires. Besides, you cannot reverse it, as modern non-whites cannot go back to being who they were before the whites came. Even nations exploiting more resources than were being exploited in colonial times. Ironically, the more descendants of invaders these nations have, and/or acceptance of invader influence, the more advanced they are now.

    2.How is it resource appropriation if nonwhites weren't using said resources properly? And if any and all historical wars of aggression and ethnic strife and conquest and appropriation were wrong, why is Pizarro a criminal but Huayna Capac a symbol of defiance (major enslaver and population mover Incan emperor)? Or for that matter, why is Che only good and Pinochet only bad?

    3.Fair enough, although empires have been dead for a few generations, and not all nations were equally blessed or damned by their mother countries.

    4.Fair enough again, though the Spaniard-Portuguese system was in theory fairer than the Anglo one (one drop of white you are above blacks and amerindians vs one drop of black and you're colored), and colored pride and intermarriage has always been stronger in Latin America - and yet, there is the pro-white and pro-Western tendency that drives even Latin leftists (they do love reading a German named Marx, right?). To be sure, maybe in an ideal world with strict segregationism such preference might not be as strong. But, unless you believe in the feasibility of mass racial reparations (not even arguing about the ethics of that), it is quite impossible. It would be easier to reinstitute the divine right of kings, to be honest...

    Replies: @Corvinus

  37. Being a blackish Hispanic was just not quite enough in this round of the Intersectionality Games, but there’s always next year.

  38. @Paul Yarbles
    @attilathehen

    No, they are a couple in the novel The Camp of the Saints. Dio hates the West because of his background. As does his Eurasian wife, Iris. Dio is a journalist and Iris is a writer.

    Replies: @attilathehen

    Thanks for the info. I have to read this book. I have read several comments on this and other websites from white degenerate males who believe white/Asian hybrids will save the West. We see that in fiction and now in reality this does not work out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @attilathehen

    It is an absolutely terrifying and real novel, it's like he had a crystal ball. He's obviously writing mainly about France but the observations are so acute that there are parallels that can be made to modern American figures. He tried to warn us about the swimming pools specifically.

    Replies: @attilathehen

  39. I’ve noticed this while traveling in Mexico and Nicaragua. The upper classes (most European] are invariably racist and dismissive of indigenous descended peoples. I’ve always wondered who even came up with the designation “hispanic.” All it means is Spaniards with more or less admixture of indigenous Americans. Crazy.

  40. “As Latin whites, they feel inferior to Anglos or gringos who did so much more.”

    I just wonder that if Spanish America had been colonised by Basques and Asturians, instead of Extremadurans and Andalucians (see the work of Peter Boyd-Bowman), things may have been different.

    Similarly, were Italian emigrants to Argentina mostly from points south of Rome rather than the north? It would explain a lot about that country’s last relatively miserable century. In the early 1900s Argentina and Canada were comparable economically.

  41. Mixed race Latinos are, of course, not the same. There is a huge difference between the roughly half Indian Mexican and the roughly half black Dominican.

  42. @attilathehen
    @Paul Yarbles

    Thanks for the info. I have to read this book. I have read several comments on this and other websites from white degenerate males who believe white/Asian hybrids will save the West. We see that in fiction and now in reality this does not work out.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It is an absolutely terrifying and real novel, it’s like he had a crystal ball. He’s obviously writing mainly about France but the observations are so acute that there are parallels that can be made to modern American figures. He tried to warn us about the swimming pools specifically.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @J.Ross

    I've read some excerpts online. In his book, it was East Indians who started the invasion. It turns out that blacks/Asians (Afghans-Chinese)/Muslims are the problems right now. I will read the entire book. It's strange because we are reading and referencing a fiction book while what happened in the book is happening right now.

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    "Were the white freedom riders disproportionately Anglo-Saxon or Irish Catholic? Or were they disproportionately Jewish?"

    In 1860, Abolitionists were overwhelmingly WASP, with Irish Catholics and Jews likely being underrepresented.

    Replies: @bartok, @Steve-O, @stillCARealist, @Jake

    Were there any Irish Catholic or Jewish Abolitionists? I suppose there might have been a minor one from each group, but Abolitionism was a WASP thing through and through. The churches filled with it were Quaker, Unitarian, Universalist, and Congregationalist. Northern Episcopalian, Methodist, and Baptist churches also some Abolitionists sentiment.

  44. @Jack Hanson
    So probably another reason Rowan Farrow hasn't received a Pulitzer for his work.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I might be wrong but I have never heard Ronan Farrow trying to rap (and he sounds white).

  45. @bartok
    @Steve Sailer

    Whether WASPs converted Jews to their religion, or vice versa, is an interesting question. See the collected works of Moldbug for the former argument, Unz.com for the latter.

    The more pressing matter is, now that the wealthy, world-bestriding WASPs and Jews are co-religionists, how quickly and completely will they enact their revenge (Multicultural Lebensraum) on the rest of us?

    Replies: @Jake

    WASPism was born of a Judaizing heresy: Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Neither side converted the other. But when the early WASP archetype Oliver Cromwell needed cash to slaughter more white Christians, Jews were ready to give it to him.

    That pre-martial sex eventually led us to this point.

  46. @Dave Pinsen

    Also, Spain, once the greatest power in Europe, became one of the poorest and most backward.
     
    Does this really bother any Spaniards or Latinos? Spain fell behind because it was so successful in discovering and conquering huge swaths of the earth, winning the lucrative galleon trade, right? And today, it's a first world country full of beautiful architecture, plus ultramodern infrastructure such as bullet trains. It should feel inferior to whom exactly, now? Great Britain?

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Disordered

    Up until Franco, Spain was poorer than some of its former colonies. Emigration patterns show it. Since then they’ve done everything better than before – but yes, still a step below North and Central Europeans (from whom Spain has benefitted thanks to the EU, anyway).

    Latinos do get bothered that a lot of their mineral wealth went to prop up Spain, which in theory since having a much larger land empire should have made for us being the rulers of the world – not those pesky Anglos. But, since lots of us are descendants of them, and they lost the hegemonic struggle to France/Britain/Germany, we culturally tend to trust the Anglo world less, and forget the tragedy of Amerindians more often – most are mixed in or Hispanicized already anyway.

    Instead, our republican Latin cultures since the 20th century often are emboldened by anti-US and anti-Western agitprop to stoke patriotism – and since these are often Monroe Doctrine and Cold War victim stories, we have the victim mentality that does not allow for better nation-building. Furthermore, the anti-Anglo feeling was always there, since the days of Felipe II’s Armada and Sir Francis Drake. Combine that with a French-friendly Spanish culture since the Bourbons, and Marxist-Leninist dogmas filtered through Fanon’s theories of the 3rd World oppressed, and you have a cocktail of reasons explaining why Latinos in general have this mindset.

    Thus, white(ish) and/or elite Latinos indeed suffer from what the OP states, as they are stuck between the two worlds – specially if they move to the First World. He does overstate the failures of the Spaniards, but even now Spain is not the “empire where the sun never sets” of old. This probably triggers elite Latinos even more than modern-day Spaniards (who view the US at a cold distance, but without the excessive distate of the French for example), as they probably have kept more of historical Spaniard culture than the Spanish themselves (both positively and negatively so). Thus these elite Hispanics tend to be hardcore Democrat organizers when they arrive in America, even if they can afford to send their kids to college (AA helps). That said, among their relatively moneyed ranks is also where Hispanic Republicans come from, usually drawn from the more traditionally minded. The middle to lower class browns, as in back home, mostly get in powerful positions due to patronage or populism, usually from the left; but the color continuum always preserved the “criollo” settlers’ elite status.

  47. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "All nonwhites (with the exception of a few Asian nations, e.g., Japan) want to live in white countries."

    Probably because for over four hundred years white nations sought to, shall we say, "introduce themselves and stay as extended guests" in non-white nations. Some would argue that turnabout is fair play.

    "Because they as individuals will have more comfortable lives."

    Resource appropriation. White Europeans sought it was best to take raw materials that non-white people were not using properly with little or no compensation. Think of it as perpetual gimmedats and free stuff.

    "Hmmm, what is this catalyst? Gee, I have no idea. Anyone have any ideas?"

    It was called colonization and imperialism.

    "So, whites and those with lighter skin cling to their privilege in their own domains. They prefer being white or light than dark or black."

    Consider that Europeans, in this case the Spanish and the Portuguese, had imposed a strict racial caste system in South America. It was taught from birth that the lighter you are, the more desirable you are.

    Replies: @Disordered

    1.Define “fair”. In reality, what happened was contingent history, as every other invasion beforehand, including the mass murders that created the Incan or Aztec empires. Besides, you cannot reverse it, as modern non-whites cannot go back to being who they were before the whites came. Even nations exploiting more resources than were being exploited in colonial times. Ironically, the more descendants of invaders these nations have, and/or acceptance of invader influence, the more advanced they are now.

    2.How is it resource appropriation if nonwhites weren’t using said resources properly? And if any and all historical wars of aggression and ethnic strife and conquest and appropriation were wrong, why is Pizarro a criminal but Huayna Capac a symbol of defiance (major enslaver and population mover Incan emperor)? Or for that matter, why is Che only good and Pinochet only bad?

    3.Fair enough, although empires have been dead for a few generations, and not all nations were equally blessed or damned by their mother countries.

    4.Fair enough again, though the Spaniard-Portuguese system was in theory fairer than the Anglo one (one drop of white you are above blacks and amerindians vs one drop of black and you’re colored), and colored pride and intermarriage has always been stronger in Latin America – and yet, there is the pro-white and pro-Western tendency that drives even Latin leftists (they do love reading a German named Marx, right?). To be sure, maybe in an ideal world with strict segregationism such preference might not be as strong. But, unless you believe in the feasibility of mass racial reparations (not even arguing about the ethics of that), it is quite impossible. It would be easier to reinstitute the divine right of kings, to be honest…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Disordered

    "1.Define “fair”."

    Hey, if Europeans sought to invade the world and invite the world, it is only legitimate for those who received their good graces to return the favor.

    "In reality, what happened was contingent history, as every other invasion beforehand, including the mass murders that created the Incan or Aztec empires."

    Indeed. But sometimes there are those on the Alt Right who seemingly enjoys minimizing the savage ways of Europeans while maximizing their benefits.

    "Besides, you cannot reverse it, as modern non-whites cannot go back to being who they were before the whites came."

    The Alt Right would generally disagree.

    "2.How is it resource appropriation if nonwhites weren’t using said resources properly?"

    For starters, the Europeans took stuff without the owners permission. Moreover, Europeans understood the financial significance of such materials, and simply assumed that if said materials were merely lying around, then it was there's for the taking without compensation and assuredly without sharing in the bounty.

    "And if any and all historical wars of aggression and ethnic strife and conquest and appropriation were wrong, why is Pizarro a criminal but Huayna Capac a symbol of defiance (major enslaver and population mover Incan emperor)?"

    Pizarro was a criminal for pillaging and plundering and raping. Huayna Capac was attempting to repel the invaders. Of course, HC was also guilty of the same activities as Pizarro. Such is the nature of human beings.

    "Or for that matter, why is Che only good and Pinochet only bad?"

    Che Guevara, "good"? Sure, good at torturing prisoners at the La Cabana Fortress prison.

    "4. It would be easier to reinstitute the divine right of kings, to be honest..."

    Absolutely not.

  48. @Disordered
    @Corvinus

    1.Define "fair". In reality, what happened was contingent history, as every other invasion beforehand, including the mass murders that created the Incan or Aztec empires. Besides, you cannot reverse it, as modern non-whites cannot go back to being who they were before the whites came. Even nations exploiting more resources than were being exploited in colonial times. Ironically, the more descendants of invaders these nations have, and/or acceptance of invader influence, the more advanced they are now.

    2.How is it resource appropriation if nonwhites weren't using said resources properly? And if any and all historical wars of aggression and ethnic strife and conquest and appropriation were wrong, why is Pizarro a criminal but Huayna Capac a symbol of defiance (major enslaver and population mover Incan emperor)? Or for that matter, why is Che only good and Pinochet only bad?

    3.Fair enough, although empires have been dead for a few generations, and not all nations were equally blessed or damned by their mother countries.

    4.Fair enough again, though the Spaniard-Portuguese system was in theory fairer than the Anglo one (one drop of white you are above blacks and amerindians vs one drop of black and you're colored), and colored pride and intermarriage has always been stronger in Latin America - and yet, there is the pro-white and pro-Western tendency that drives even Latin leftists (they do love reading a German named Marx, right?). To be sure, maybe in an ideal world with strict segregationism such preference might not be as strong. But, unless you believe in the feasibility of mass racial reparations (not even arguing about the ethics of that), it is quite impossible. It would be easier to reinstitute the divine right of kings, to be honest...

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “1.Define “fair”.”

    Hey, if Europeans sought to invade the world and invite the world, it is only legitimate for those who received their good graces to return the favor.

    “In reality, what happened was contingent history, as every other invasion beforehand, including the mass murders that created the Incan or Aztec empires.”

    Indeed. But sometimes there are those on the Alt Right who seemingly enjoys minimizing the savage ways of Europeans while maximizing their benefits.

    “Besides, you cannot reverse it, as modern non-whites cannot go back to being who they were before the whites came.”

    The Alt Right would generally disagree.

    “2.How is it resource appropriation if nonwhites weren’t using said resources properly?”

    For starters, the Europeans took stuff without the owners permission. Moreover, Europeans understood the financial significance of such materials, and simply assumed that if said materials were merely lying around, then it was there’s for the taking without compensation and assuredly without sharing in the bounty.

    “And if any and all historical wars of aggression and ethnic strife and conquest and appropriation were wrong, why is Pizarro a criminal but Huayna Capac a symbol of defiance (major enslaver and population mover Incan emperor)?”

    Pizarro was a criminal for pillaging and plundering and raping. Huayna Capac was attempting to repel the invaders. Of course, HC was also guilty of the same activities as Pizarro. Such is the nature of human beings.

    “Or for that matter, why is Che only good and Pinochet only bad?”

    Che Guevara, “good”? Sure, good at torturing prisoners at the La Cabana Fortress prison.

    “4. It would be easier to reinstitute the divine right of kings, to be honest…”

    Absolutely not.

  49. @J.Ross
    @attilathehen

    It is an absolutely terrifying and real novel, it's like he had a crystal ball. He's obviously writing mainly about France but the observations are so acute that there are parallels that can be made to modern American figures. He tried to warn us about the swimming pools specifically.

    Replies: @attilathehen

    I’ve read some excerpts online. In his book, it was East Indians who started the invasion. It turns out that blacks/Asians (Afghans-Chinese)/Muslims are the problems right now. I will read the entire book. It’s strange because we are reading and referencing a fiction book while what happened in the book is happening right now.

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