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From the New York Times:

JAMA Editor Placed on Leave After Deputy’s Comments on Racism

After a staff member dismissed racism as a problem in medicine on a podcast, a petition signed by thousands demanded a review of editorial processes at the journal.

By Apoorva Mandavilli
March 25, 2021

Following controversial comments on racism in medicine made by a deputy editor at JAMA, the editor in chief of the prominent medical journal was placed on administrative leave on Thursday.

A committee of the American Medical Association, which oversees the journal, said Dr. Howard Bauchner would be replaced by an interim editor pending results of an independent investigation. …

JAMA is one of the world’s leading medical journals, publishing research that shapes the scientific agenda and public policy around the globe.

Therefore, nobody associated with scientific research can be allowed to have doubts about our culture’s most sacred dogmas, such as systemic racism.

The controversy began when Dr. Ed Livingston, a deputy editor, said on a Feb. 24 podcast that structural racism no longer existed in the United States.

“Structural racism is an unfortunate term,” said Dr. Livingston, who is white. “Personally, I think taking racism out of the conversation will help. Many people like myself are offended by the implication that we are somehow racist.”

The podcast was promoted with a tweet from the journal that said, “No physician is racist, so how can there be structural racism in health care?” The response to both was swift and angry, prompting the journal to take down the podcast and delete the tweet.

Soon, Livingston was out the door.

A week later, Dr. Bauchner addressed the controversy. “Comments made in the podcast were inaccurate, offensive, hurtful, and inconsistent with the standards of JAMA,” Dr. Bauchner said in a statement. “We are instituting changes that will address and prevent such failures from happening again.”

Skepticism has no role in Science. Unstinting belief in the True Faith as revealed unto us by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi is the only way forward.

 
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  1. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Did you see this? Today in D.C.

  2. Dan Hayes says:

    It’s a wonder that Dr Livingston was ever able to exist for any length of time in the AMA’s notoriously woke fiefdom! Fortunately, Dr Bauchner was quick to rectify that particular oversight!!

    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @Getaclue
  3. On a unbiased list of most trusted professions doctors have now slipped below used car salesmen and lawyers.

    • Agree: BB753
  4. Batman says:

    This response is exactly why I distrust medical conclusions about anything remotely political like transexualism. Imagine the response if this vile bigot suggested something truly hurtful like “maybe supporting transexual feelings in children with permanent hormonal medical interventions is harmful.”

  5. Well he should be fired if he is ignorant enough to deny that structural , systemic racism is endemic in our medical system. Hasn’t he ever heard of the Allan Bakke Supreme Court case from 1978? Does he really believe things have improved since then?

  6. Polistra says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Not quick enough. Did you read the post?

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  7. Mandavilli

    I thought they were all washed up after that lip-synching scandal.

    “Structural racism is an unfortunate term,” said Dr. Livingston…

    I presume…

    who is white.

    Ditto.

    Structural racism = Strut circus alarm. Circular stratums.


    [MORE]

  8. SafeNow says:

    250,000 annual deaths in the US are due to medical negligence. (2016 Hopkins study.) Add to that the morbidity numbers. A large part of that must surely be due to racism – — the affirmative-action kind. Diversity docs and nurses are less proficient. And, I can’t prove it, but I am pretty sure that standards have been dumbed-down, and that affects many non-diversity providers.

  9. anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    The military has had a lot of those “flying tic-tac” shaped UFO sightings in the past couple of years. The capsules apparently pull enormous amounts of Gs by moving faster than the speed of sound without sonic booms and changing directions like a tailback without slowing down. Our intelligence agencies and military are mystified.

    But ol’ Miles knows what it is:

    The intelligent life in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way have come to watch a great civilization commit “stupid-cide”. Atlantis fell under the waves. Greece wore itself out with wars. The Soviets decayed. The Romans declined over 2 centuries. America however is having a “stoopid-nova”. Since she has deindustrialized, her people wont be able to put Humpty-Dummy back together again. They are here to “enjoy the show”. Maybe QAnon was their own humorous contribution.

  10. JMcG says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    And military officers above O-5.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  11. If people question what you feel is the truth, you can of course reply in a spirit of civil debate.

    If people start questioning what you yourself know to be a lie, you have to respond swiftly, mercilessly, and without room for question.

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Known Fact
  12. Altai says:

    OT:
    Perhaps Bari Weiss was right to fear wokeness coming for Israel.

    Tamika Mallory (Perhaps most noteable for being one of the organisers of the ‘Women’s March’ in 2017) who once famously took a shot at the ADL for their support of US police going to Israel to learn from the most moral police in the world as well as their policy of frontlashing BLM wrt Israel, is in an ad for Cadillac.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamika_Mallory

    In 2018, Mallory criticized Starbucks for including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), an organization whose stated mission is to “fight anti-Semitism and all forms of hate”, in a company-wide racial bias training after the arrest of two black men at a Starbucks in Philadelphia. In a tweet, she accused the ADL of “attack[ing] black and brown people” and wrote, “ADL sends US police to Israel to learn their military practices. This is deeply troubling. Let’s not even talk abt their attacks against [email protected]

    I’m not sure what penitence she endured or tribute she paid for this. Maybe she served none.

  13. Neoconned says:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/buttigieg-gets-roasted-directions-mileage-184234078.html

    OT: hey Steve….Mayor Buttplug wants to institute a regressive gas mileage tax aka a Steve Forbes Flat Tax type tax hike on poor people.

    I’ve worked with poor white & black folks who drive 60 miles 1 way for a job and they live in trailers wayyyyyyy out in the sticks.

    Guess who will be financing the road system under this idiot’s plan…..they werent lying when they called him “the spook candidate”…..i still havent figured out how they scammed Bernie out of the iowa Caucuses and gave it to this moron….

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  14. Altai says:

    It’s almost like when people grasp at terms like ‘structural racism’ it’s because discussion of things like ‘class’ has been quietly dropped. Fortunately Jeff Bezos can be an ally in the fight against ‘structural racism’ and all the highly influential poor white people who perpetuate it!

    Editor of top US medical journal put on leave amid outcry over racism podcast

    Also the Guardian has a nasty headline on this. I do like the term ‘racism podcast’, it’s not all misleading or feeding outrage culture or making Dr. Bauchner an object of hate for no reason.

  15. AndrewR says:
    @Altai

    BLM/antifa/etc are primarily top-down movements. There are grassroots elements but ultimately the Jews can always shut down any movement. There is no counterexample within the last 80 years.

  16. Howard Bauchner is, of course, a political liberal. A Yuppie Liberal. It’s funny how these Yuppies worked to stab other White people in the back and then are unprepared for the fact that they are next on the chopping block.

    Really Shrewd White Guys, who imagine they will get a special set-aside, complete with a gated community, have an interesting future coming.

    Virtue Signaling White Girls may be slowly waking up to the fact that they are more hated than White men:

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/tiffany-cross-msnbc-view-meghan-mccain-identity-politics-235314238.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. Escher says:

    Dr. Livingston may have to follow in the footsteps of his 19th century namesake and relocate to Africa.
    Ms. Apoorva will aproova.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  18. Jake says:

    This should not be surprising at all. The Brit and Yank WASP Elites of the first half of the 19th century made the Negro Numinous. Development of Doctrine of that true faith has led us here, and all but certainly will lead us to worse before long.

  19. @Reg Cæsar

    Caesar, ignore the troll from ‘Dick’ Taylor, an idiot. The circles of ‘racism’ you posted here is spot-on. Folks who are White have to tread these hoops all the time. Then, on command, like dogs, they have to jump through them. Great post. Nail hit right on the head. More and more, ‘troll’ responses to common sense from, well, trolls.

  20. Luzzatto says:

    Can Democrats point out the names of specific individual Whites who are running this extremely powerful institutional systemic racism program that who’s sole number 1 mission racially oppresses Blacks? Is it Mark Zuckerberg? Is it Jeff Bezos? Is it Larry Ellison? Is it The Koch Family? Is it The Walton Family? Is it Larry Page? Is it Michael Bloomberg? Is it Elon Musk? I want specific individual names not the copout response that all Whites operate systemic racism against Blacks!

    Who are the people running The White Supremacist Version Of Skynet that is Systemic Racism? Systemic Racism sounds like the name of a fictional White Supremacist Silicon Valley company!

  21. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    A week later, Dr. Bauchner addressed the controversy. “Comments made in the podcast were inaccurate, offensive, hurtful, and inconsistent with the standards of JAMA,” Dr. Bauchner said in a statement. “We are instituting changes that will address and prevent such failures from happening again.”

    I hope that the spineless Howard Bauchner is fired for good when the investigation is over.

  22. The dogma of the church of evil must not be questioned, comrade!

  23. @Reg Cæsar

    IF Ted Cassidy wrote that book, I’m not going to argue with him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  24. EdwardM says:

    Actually a better headline would be, “ Journal of the American Medical Association Fires Editor Because Another Staffer Has Doubts About Dogma of Systemic Racism.”

    The piece (at least the part that Steve excerpted) doesn’t mention Dr. Livingston’s fate.

  25. These people are completely insane. They are more rigid in their crackpot ideologies than your average hard shell fundamentalist in the bible belt.

  26. Ano says:

    Dear Mr Sailer,

    Our editorial team of witches have put a curse on you for disbelief in Structural Racism.

    Meanwhile, we have called in a priest who will be performing an exorcism on Dr Livingston to drive out his free-thinking demons. (The ju-ju man we normally use in these cases was unavailable.)

    Yours,

    Baron Samedi
    Editor
    JAMA

    PS:Please remember to buy a white ribbon to help fund our research to Find a Cure for Whiteness.

  27. @Reg Cæsar

    “I education myself about race and structural racism.”

  28. Anon7 says:

    The Left has really been feeling their oats this past few years, but I think they’re about ten years too early in really exerting their strength.

    There are still too many white males in positions of authority (especially in medicine) who were trained by white men who in many cases were the best in the world. If the Left could just wait a decade, all of these guys would be gone.

    Positions of authority would be occupied by assorted incompetent affirmative action hires who would be wishing that someone would tell them what to do.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
  29. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Carl Sagan said:

    “ANYTHING THAT’S TRULY REAL CAN STAND UP TO SCRUTINY.”

    In an essay for New York magazine in 2014, Sagan’s daughter, Sasha, wrote about asking her father whether he thought he’d see his late parents in the afterlife:

    [H]e told me, very tenderly, that it can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. You can get tricked if you don’t question yourself and others, especially people in a position of authority. He told me that anything that’s truly real can stand up to scrutiny.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  30. “ANYTHING THAT’S TRULY REAL CAN STAND UP TO SCRUTINY.”

    Too philosophical.

    Anything that is backed by government agents doesn’t have to stand up to anything.

    Marxism never worked and yet they killed millions that tried standing up to it.

    Anyone that assumes “the truth shall set you free” can go visit a gulag. Free to work for the state as a slave until they kill you and lie to your family about what happened.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
  31. Hollywood is literally run by people who worship Satan.

    If the Podesta/Pizzagate stuff and Marina Abramovich weren’t enough to convince you, this should do it.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Pericles
    , @Observator
  32. What do you guys think about the strategy of living off dividends?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Almost Missouri
  33. ziggurat says:
    @SafeNow

    D.I.E. is a war on competence, which could lead to all kinds of deadly mistakes.

    But in the aftermath of some horrific event (e.g., an accidental nuclear explosion), which of these two remedies would be favored?

    1) More diversity, less white supremacy, and less patriarchy.
    2) More meritocracy, even if that means relatively few minorities in prestigious, highly paid positions.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @RonaldB
  34. @Escher

    I think you meant “moova.”

  35. anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I always get all of my investment advice from total strangers on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  36. @ziggurat

    3. Get rid of the evil technology “Ma-Humankind Was Never Meant To Have”.
    Soon to include flush toilets.

  37. @Altai

    “Dr. Howard Bauchner would be replaced by an interim editor pending results of an independent investigation. …”

    Shouldn’t that have been, “There will be an independent investigation, which will lead to Dr. Howard Bauchner being retained or replaced”?

    If they had already decided to hang the guy, why bother with the formality of a trial?

    • Replies: @anon
  38. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

  39. @Altai

    The previous reply was intended for Steve.

    Re Tamika Mallory, the woman is a lead pipe cinch for being a member of the racist murder cult, the Nation of Islam. Does that mean that Cadillac supports the NOI?

    https://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/2020/08/updated-list-of-nation-of-islam-attacks.html

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
  40. Roger says: • Website

    Speaking to the New York Times, Blackstock said: “I think [the podcast] caused an incalculable amount of pain and trauma to Black physicians and patients. And I think it’s going to take a long time for the journal to heal that pain.”

    Guardian story

    I want to understand how the podcast can cause trauma and pain to Black physicians and patients. Are they as fragile as 3-year-old children?

    If they genuinely believe that there is systemic racism, then the podcast would just be an example of it to confirm their beliefs. So I am guessing that they do not believe in systemic racism, but they are emotionally invested in it anyway.

  41. @SafeNow

    There are at least 3 deaths among my relatives due to medical negligence. My grandfather died of sepsis after his hip replacement parts were apparently contaminated. He was greenish-looking and feeble for days before they ran any tests to determine why he wasn’t recovering well from the surgery (he was in great health at the time despite being in his early 80s- walked 3 miles daily). By the time they gave him intravenous antibiotics it was too late, he died about 24-36 hours later.

    I’ve also heard horror stories about nurses’ treatment of female friends during childbirth.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  42. Dumbo says:

    By Apoorva Mandavilli

    Again those journalists with strange foreign names in the NYT.

    Doing jobs white Americans won’t do anymore, I guess?

    http://apoorvamandavilli.com/bio/

    Her husband is white.

    https://joshsquash.com/our-instructors

  43. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    How will theists ever recover?

  44. Dr. Livingston: He presumed.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  45. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking to the New York Times, Blackstock said: “I think [the podcast] caused an incalculable amount of pain and trauma to Black physicians and patients.

    Incalculable? Then what’s this common chart for?

    Morons.

  46. El Dato says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Well, they definitely SELL Satan.

    I don’t think that’s really called for, but what do I know.

    These shoes are actually sold by a NYC outfit which specializes in “small exclusive runs of random stuff”, it’s an interesting niche. In this case, this is only possible because they are “Nike” brand. They also sold Jesus shoes earlier.

    If the Podesta/Pizzagate stuff and Marina Abramovich weren’t enough to convince you, this should do it.

    Not really. This is the power of making a buck.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  47. El Dato says:
    @Mike Tre

    But is there one titled “The Incel visits the Library”.

  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    On a unbiased list of most trusted professions doctors have now slipped below used car salesmen and lawyers.

    The COVID Freakout pretty much destroyed any remaining trust I had in the medical profession. I’m sure there are some good, smart, conscientious doctors – I’ve seen some and I’ve met a few too. But, as a profession, they have revealed themselves to be incurious order-followers. Even worse are “public health experts”, whom I don’t think I trust at all. I now rank them about the same as I would journalists.

    Remember – when some politician, talking-head, or public-health wallah talks about “following the science” – they mean deferring to a journal like JAMA, which just fired one of their editors for doubting an actual unfounded conspiracy theory.

    • Agree: BB753, GeneralRipper
  49. At least we can have Schadenfreude over how Bouchner’s belated attempt at appeasement won’t save him. To hell with him.

    It’s interesting and perhaps useful how the SJW mob never accepts apologies no matter how groveling, but always takes these as a further incitement to howl for blood.

    They’re devouring their own strata of moderate members, sympathizers and fellow-travelers faster than any fanatical movement in history.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  50. Mr. Anon says:
    @SafeNow

    250,000 annual deaths in the US are due to medical negligence. (2016 Hopkins study.)

    How much has that number increased over the last year? How many “COVID deaths” were due to medical malpractice? My guess is “quite a lot”.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  51. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if taking race out of medicine will kill more black people than taking the police out of their neighborhoods?

  52. Aidan Kehoe says: • Website

    The latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, which has gone full-woke over the last year, annoying I’m sure more than a few doctors besides myself in this traditionally quite right-of-centre profession, published the below, after a few months of “race is all a social construct, we need to remove ‘black/nonblack’ from the renal function algorithm in lab results, and ignore higher rates of renal disease in those of sub-Saharan ancestry within and outwith the US all other things being equal.”

    Thankfully when it comes to their own health and that of their loved ones these African doctors seem unenthusiastic about needless destruction of good clinical decision-making, though of course they had the self-preservation instincts to include all the current-year denouncements of the genetic basis of race while arguing for the clinical management of patients on the assumption that race has a genetic basis:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2031080 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33567186/

    “As researchers whose work is largely focused on genetics and who self-identify as Black men, arguably one of the most disadvantaged groups in the United States, we have had similar formative experiences during our training and careers.

    We are also diverse in terms of our Black identities; we self-identify as first-generation Nigerian American (Yoruba ethnicity), first-generation American of Tanzanian descent (Pare and Nyamwezi ethnicities), Zambian (Ngoni ethnicity), African American, and Tobagonian (West Indian).

    […] Ultimately, considering these and numerous other examples, we understand that genetic differences exist between people belonging to different socially constructed racial categories. We embrace this diversity and acknowledge its clinically meaningful implications. These differences can allow researchers to make important advances in health and science, and this recognition is what compels us to do the work we do.

    We do not believe that ignoring race will reduce health disparities; such an approach is a form of naive “color blindness” that is more likely to perpetuate and potentially exacerbate disparities. Although ignoring race could improve equality (by leading to identical medical treatment for everyone), we believe that equity is necessary to address disparities. We urge our colleagues in medicine and science to refrain from haphazardly removing race from clinical algorithms and treatment guidelines in response to recent initiatives attempting to combat anti-Black racism. The ultimate goal, we believe, would be to replace race with genetic ancestry in an evidence-based manner. But we have not yet reached a point where genetic-ancestry data are readily available in routine care or where clinicians know what to do with these data. Until we do, ignoring race and thereby reverting to the United States’ outdated system of health care, in which clinical research findings are generated in populations of European descent and extrapolated to the treatment of non-European populations, is neither equitable nor safe for those other populations.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. Pericles says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lol, that’s the guy who gets bungholed by Satan in a music video. I guess he got paid in sneakers or something.

  54. Pericles says:
    @anon

    Those physicians need some strong-ass Sackler-level opiods to deal with their pain.

  55. Move to Nigeria for all your free speech needs. We offer maximum free speech, adventures in power shortages and ample opportunities to exercise your First Amendment rights.

  56. @Luzzatto

    Years ago a show like In Living Color could make fun of wacky conspiracy theories: https://youtu.be/bwz9RAVou1U

  57. Polistra says:
    @Mike Tre

    They call it a children’s book, but to me it looks like an allegory for the Nation.

    Sorry, I mean the ex-nation.

  58. El Dato says:

    It’s very simple:

    1) Whites go to White doctors, by law
    2) Blacks go to Black doctors, by law
    3) East Asians can go where they want if the waiting queue isn’t too long
    4) South Asians can go where they want if the waiting queue isn’t too long

  59. Firefinga says:
    @Altai

    Doesn’t care BLM about global warming? Tamika apparently doesn’t care about “brown” and black people who will suffer the most if we keep burning up the planet via driving these monstrosities of cars!!!

  60. Art Deco says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Not ‘doctors’, but the segment of them in charge of professional associations and medical schools, i.e the medical nomenklatura, and, of course, the schmucks who signed the petition.

  61. Art Deco says:
    @SafeNow

    250,000 annual deaths in the US are due to medical negligence. (2016 Hopkins study.)

    Does the study define ‘due to’?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @res
  62. Art Deco says:

    The response to both was swift and angry, prompting the journal to take down the podcast and delete the tweet.

    Who were the responders?

  63. @Neoconned

    i still havent figured out how they scammed Bernie out of the iowa Caucuses and gave it to this moron

    Wait’ll you find out the scam they pulled in the general election….

  64. @JohnnyWalker123

    Satanism is just silly. In the pagan tradition (i.e., polytheism) there is no “Devil.” The concept of a supernatural being who personifies all that is not-good is a creation of monotheism. In the Jewish, and later Christian and Islamic traditions, Satan was used to explain the inexplicable paradox of the existence of evil in a universe supposedly dominated by a single “all-good” deity. This construction furnishes neither an adequate theodetic explanation, nor one that corresponds to any recognizable reality.

    The archetype of the Satan myth is the Hebrew entity Sheitan. In southern Palestine there was a bituminous lake of burning pitch called Sheol. This is oil that naturally came to the earth’s surface and was kindled by a lightning strike. To superstitious primitives the sulphurous stink and the flames seemed the entrance to a mythical underworld, and in due time they created Sheitan, which means “keeper of Sheol.”

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  65. It’s all being taught from the top down. The new dean at the USC (South Carolina) School of Medicine is a white woman who seems thoroghly indoctrinated.

    Jenkins would like to make the biggest difference in consideration of sex and gender when it comes to medical diagnoses and treatment. Working with Dr. Connie Newman, an adjunct professor of medicine at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine, Jenkins recently developed a new book called “How Sex and Gender Impact Clinical Practice: An Evidence-Based Guide to Patient Care.”

    The book discusses sex and gender-based differences in clinical presentation, physical examination, laboratory results, treatment regimens and communication differences between men and women to assist clinicians in their conversations with patients.

    The role of gender and sex in medical treatment is a subject that Jenkins has long been passionate about.

    “There is so much gender bias about women and pain,” she says. “I’ve worked in that space since 2002; it’s a young discipline. It just came into being in the late ’90s and early 2000s when we let women participate in research. We had a total research pipeline lined with males, yet we decided that we would just take that biased research pipeline, and whatever answers came out, just apply them to women.”

  66. @S. Anonyia

    Why would you give a hip replacement to a healthy person in their 80’s who was walking 3 miles daily?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  67. @Reg Cæsar

    The tail of that comet seems to be pointed in the wrong direction.

  68. @anon

    Incalculable? Then what’s this common chart for?

    The immigration line at Heathrow.

  69. @Luzzatto

    Can Democrats point out the names of specific individual Whites who are running this extremely powerful institutional systemic racism program that who’s sole number 1 mission racially oppresses Blacks?

    Boss Hogg? Luke and Bo Duke? And especially Daisy Duke for her good hair and fitting into those cutoffs. Talk about “structural racism”–how is a proud black woman supposed to match that?

  70. All we hear about is tale of woe–problems, problems, problems.

    I offer solutions.

    Problem: blacks oppressed by white people’s “structural racism”

    Solution: separate nations, ergo no white structures oppressing blacks

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  71. Odin says:
    @Luzzatto

    Can Democrats point out the names of specific individual Whites who are running this extremely powerful institutional systemic racism program whose sole number 1 mission racially oppresses Blacks?

    Okay, once more from the top. I believe this is from somewhere in Aristotle:

    1. We hold this truth to be self evident:
    Without systemic racism, all races have identical outcomes.
    2. Different races, despite not existing, have disparate outcomes.
    3. Therefore systemic racism.

    Notice that there is no reference to actual acts by actual people. Instead we have pure, unalloyed logic.

    This is how systemic racism differs from actual racism.

  72. Lurker says:
    @Mike Tre

    I was about to ask if it were real, klownworld and all that.

    Looked it up.

    It is a real book and the cover is real . . . except the black gentleman has been shopped in for ironic/comic purposes.

  73. RonaldB says:
    @Anon7

    “Positions of authority would be occupied by assorted incompetent affirmative action hires who would be wishing that someone would tell them what to do.”

    What makes you think affirmative-action hires who were trained under the assumption that any criticism of them was motivated by racism, would have any desire to be told how to practice competent medicine?

    • Replies: @Anon7
  74. @anon

    Obviously, the speaker is unconsciously perpetuating the stereotype that blacks, even black physicians, have difficulty calculating. More proof of systemic racism!

  75. RonaldB says:
    @John Johnson

    What killed Soviet communism was the competition from the non-communist west. Reagan pushed the USSR into a defense competition in which the backwards production system of the USSR simply couldn’t keep up. The objective of globalism is to eliminate all external competition which might make repressive bureaucracy and totalitarian oppression look inefficient. By the way, once globalism is instituted, China, which will simply ignore any agreements, will totally eat our lunch. I can’t find anything in my office that wasn’t made by China. Can you?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  76. RonaldB says:
    @ziggurat

    Those who say “wait until they find out the consequences of promoting by diversity rather than merit” are fooling themselves.

    Leftists have a very weak conception of cause and effect. Their reaction to setbacks, defeats, or horrible deaths due to medical incompetence will be to double down and increase the power of diversity bureaucrat-tyrants to intrude and persecute. They are totally unable to comprehend fasification by counter-example. In other words, if your guiding principle consistently fails, a normal person will try a different approach. A leftist will arrest and liquidate anyone who observes the failure and who talks about it out loud.

    In short, leftists will never, ever conclude they are wrong, even when themselves dying a horrible, preventable death.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  77. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aidan Kehoe

    we understand that genetic differences exist between people belonging to different socially constructed racial categories.

    Amazing! How the fuck did THAT happen?

  78. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    That entire thing reads like a press release for the newfangled MSNBC hostess I’d never heard of till now and likely never would’ve otherwise. I stopped reading sportswriters 10 years ago because too much of the time they just kiss up to jocks, coaches, and especially owners while adding no analysis. The TV sports channels are just “Watch 2 or 3 dudes with Q Score pedigree who are also good at arguing dominance games for the cameras” although now it is merging with the women’s klatsch shows.

    I admit, I liked to watch “Capitol Gang” on CNN growing up but there was at least some understanding of who’s-up-who’s-down in external, non-TV politics you got from the interplay of the elderly male & female gladiators. The hypernormalized celebrity politics occurring within the tube were not the entire substance of it.

  79. @Buffalo Joe

    C’mon, BuffJoe, you forgot journalists — I’m personally insulted!

  80. @Jonathan Mason

    Fractured his hip after he fell down slick porch stairs (it had been raining) visiting a friend. He was walking 3 miles before the accident, they opted for the hip replacement because they thought he was healthy enough that he could still benefit/recover from it. But apparently the surgical team couldn’t be bothered to sterilize the equipment, the new joint, or their hands properly (not sure which, but the point is he was infection-free before surgery).

    Considering his father lived until his mid 90s, he probably had at least another decade in him.

  81. @Art Deco

    Do you doubt it? Have you been in a hospital outside of a wealthy major metro and observed how unsanitary they are or how surly the staff can be?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Johann Ricke
  82. @El Dato

    Satan would probably be offended that they used his name for such a stupid product.

  83. @Mr. Anon

    Many, no doubt. A coworker of my husband died after botched intubation at a regional hospital. Don’t know that many details, but intubating her was probably unnecessary. I heard she was lucid/talking but uncomfortable when she was admitted. She’s actually the only person under 55 I know of that died of COVID or related complications.

    This was also very early in the pandemic, around April. The period in which doctors were quick to intubate because they thought it prevented the “airborne infection” from spreading around the hospital.

    How many people died due to unnecessary intubation? Someone should research it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  84. @Colin Wright

    Very well put. It’s why libs are so quick to shout “Debunked! Debunked!” over any challenge.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  85. @Lurker

    They need to give the ex-wife about 50 extra pounds and sweatpants

  86. @anon

    Anons are total strangers, but named commenters aren’t.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  87. res says:
    @Art Deco

    Does the study define ‘due to’?

    Study page
    https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

    Full text is on Sci-Hub and Libgen. Search for the DOI 10.1136/bmj.i2139

    Right after the title we see:

    Medical error is not included on death certificates or in rankings of cause of death. Martin Makary and Michael Daniel assess its contribution to mortality and call for better reporting

    So their primary point is that we need better data.

    They base their 251k estimate on four studies (see Table 1) with estimates ranging from 135k to 400k. But looking more closely, it appears their results are dominated by a single study (with >10,000x the sample size of the other three).

    Full text of that study is available at http://www.providersedge.com/ehdocs/ehr_articles/Patient_Safety_in_American_Hospitals-2004.pdf

    Their numbers come from looking at 16 different types of patient safety indicators (PSIs) in the Medicare population between 2000 and 2002. The list of PSIs included (and not) is given in Appendix A.

    List of Patient Safety Indicators Used in the HealthGrades Study
    · Accidental puncture or laceration
    · Complications of anesthesia
    · Death in low mortality Diagnostic Related Grouping (DRGs)
    · Decubitus ulcer
    · Failure to rescue
    · Foreign body left during procedure
    · Iatrogenic pneumothorax
    · Selected infections due to medical care
    · Post-operative hemorrhage or hematoma
    · Post-operative hip fracture
    · Post-operative physiologic and metabolic derangement
    · Post-operative pulmonary embolism or deep vein thrombosis
    · Post-operative respiratory failure
    · Post-operative sepsis
    · Post-operative wound dehiscence
    · Transfusion reaction

    List of AHRQ Patient Safety Indicators Not Used in the HealthGrades Study
    · Birth Trauma – injury to neonate
    · Obstetric trauma- cesarean delivery
    · Obstetric trauma – vaginal delivery with instrument
    · Obstetric trama – vaginal delivery without instrument

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m definitely in the “Fear Zone”, of the Anti-racist circle jerk, yet I don’t feel fearful at all. I feel less fearful because I avoid blacks whenever possible.

    It’s like the old “homophobic” move – if you don’t like fags, or are disgusted by them, you “fear” them. Nope, “Phobia” is not the word that describes how I feel about fags, dikes, and trannies.

  89. @JohnnyWalker123

    “Living off dividends”? Great work if you can get it!

    Leaving aside the differing tax treatment of dividends, the trick with dividends has always seemed to me to be to find companies who are likely to continue paying their dividends despite short-term difficulty that has driven down their share price. That maximizes dividend yield (of your investment; the “yield” on whatever the current market price is after you invest is irrelevant) while also allowing for capital appreciation gravy: win-win as they say.

    Finding such situations is easier said than done though. The classic one I remember is the anti-tobacco hysteria in the 1990s when a bunch of states sued tobacco companies for something something billions dollar settlement something. Tobacco companies’ share prices all plummeted in the moral panic about it, but if you looked past the panic and fear it was obvious that 1) most smokers aren’t gonna quit, and 2) if the tobacco companies went out of business there would be no one for the states to collect from, so the states weren’t going to let that happen. Tobacco companies share prices were at historic lows, which also made their dividend yields absurdly high. It was a screaming “buy” signal, but almost everyone was too busy running the Tobacco Man Bad script to notice.

    Any such situations today? Well, REITs typically have high dividends, and COVID + BLM has trounced urban real estate making any REIT specializing in that lower priced now. So if you think the current insanity is temporary, get an urban REIT and enjoy the rebound while you cash your dividend checks. (I don’t think the current insanity is temporary, so you’ll win or lose without me on this one. Also I’m broke, so you shouldn’t take my advice, lol!) I dunno. If you’re serious about this, just check a stock screener for the fifty or hundred highest yielding dividend stocks. Usually a lot of these will have had recent share price drops, which make their dividend yield reciprocally higher. Go down the list eliminating the ones who are in some kind of intractable trouble (often involves high debt) and looking for the ones whose problems are temporary but whose business is long term prospects are good. Then buy and hold.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  90. @Lurker

    except the black gentleman has been shopped in for ironic/comic purposes.

    Epitaph of Western Civilization.

  91. The AMA is notorious for cartelizing the practice of medicine.

    It’s a crime how much time, effort, and money someone has to spend in order to get a license to mal/practice.

    I’ve heard that medical school applicants now have a requirement to show two courses basically in SJW (i.e. left-wing doctrine).

  92. @Almost Missouri

    Good post. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

    Also I’m broke, so you shouldn’t take my advice, lol!

    Thanks for the disclaimer! LOL.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  93. @JohnnyWalker123

    You’re welcome, JW.

    If you want to make it a long term strategy, repeat the analysis every half year or year. You’ll probably see new candidates enter your target zone and others drop out.* Over time, it will also give some “feel” for that end of the market.

    *If they drop out because their share price recovers and you have invested in them, then that’s a good thing: you’re getting the dividend yield from when they were in your target zone plus the price appreciation gravy. If you like the dividend, just keep holding. If you see better candidates, then you can sell and redeploy. If they drop out because they go belly up, obviously that’s not so good for them, but if you didn’t invest, that’s not your problem.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  94. Anon7 says:
    @RonaldB

    It’s not about the practice of medicine.

    I’ve been noticing that in hospitals, the real power to make decisions is being pulled back, to positions higher in the organization chart.

    One of the advantages of hiring someone who isn’t competent in their job is that they become dependent on people higher in the organization. They can’t decide what to do, and so they want someone to tell them what to do.

    Real doctors trained fifty years ago don’t need anyone to tell them what to do. Every one of those guys were trained to be an independent decision-maker, and woe unto any administrator or higher-up who disputed their expertise.

    Hiring an incompetent administrator or doctor for reasons of affirmative action has two advantages; first, you meet the current regime’s PC doctrine, and second, you have someone who just does what they’re told, because they’re not competent to do otherwise.

  95. Art Deco says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Have you been in a hospital outside of a wealthy major metro and observed how unsanitary they are or how surly the staff can be?

    I’ve spent 85% of my life outside ‘wealthy major metros’ and I’ve been employed in hospitals. The surliness I’ve seen was in reaction to difficult patients, who are plentiful in emergency rooms. I can think of one exception, courtesy a neophyte lady doctor about 20 years ago when we’d called ahead. Now, I have seen bad behavior in ambulatory clinics – always by clerical staff. Even that’s not very frequent; I can think of about three instances in 40 years. I’ve never observed ‘unsanitary conditions’. The state medical center in Syracuse, ca. 2007 had some disconcerting features (e.g. security theatre and marks on the walls), but that’s not unsanitary. The small community hospital where I once lived (in a town with 4,000 people in it) had no noticeable problems with staff attitude or hygiene.

    Someone has told you that medical negligence is the 3d leading cause of death in this country. I’d put that in the same file as I would one-in-five-college-women-are-sexually-assaulted. Assume someone’s scamming around with their taxonomy until they prove otherwise.

  96. Hermes says: • Website

    At my current place of work there is a black “doctor” who is the worst case of affirmative action I have ever seen. I mean, despite all my years of race realism, I never knew it could be this bad. Sure, I knew black medical school applicants were held to a lower standard, but all the black doctors I’ve met in the past seemed to at least meet the minimum level of competence. This is because in medicine, there’s a hard floor: the step exams. No matter how much a med school might want to let you in with lower grades or MCAT scores, you need to be able to pass those steps. And this person–I’m honestly at a loss as to how he managed to do so. He talks like what a mainstream conservative might call an “uneducated black person” (you and I know that really means unintelligent.) If you were standing next to him at the bus stop, you would think he was Quontavius from the ghetto who works at Walmart and has kids by 3 different mothers. The almost slurred-speech level of drawl, the difficulty finding words… his facial features even betray low intelligence. I’d peg his IQ at no more than 90. Overhearing him on the phone trying to talk to a patient’s family is like nails on a chalkboard. I can only imagine what patients think when they meet him. It’s actually quite exasperating and infuriating, especially since he gets away with shoddy work and doing whatever he wants and knows he’s unimpeachable because he’s black.

    And it’s all the more so because ISTM that everyone else there has gaslit themselves into believing that he is intelligent and competent and this is normal. I’ve never had a behind-closed-doors talk, never even a knowing glance from a co-worker. As far as I can tell, I’m the only one who notices at all. It’s honestly enough reason by itself for me to want to leave the job, just to not have to see and deal with it.

  97. @AnotherDad

    Problem: blacks oppressed by white people’s “structural racism”

    Solution: separate nations, ergo no white structures oppressing blacks.

    Note, this is not just a cutesy point for ideological sparing.

    The *only* way forward for conservatives and Republicans now, both ideologically and electorally is to take this issue head on and call bullshit on “structural racism”.

    All manner of trying to square the circle or dodge it, will wake up no one, motivate no one and only lead to defeat. Exactly Trump’s failure.

    Conservatives can toss in the obvious admission
    — there once was “structural racism”–slavery and Jim Crow, and limited advancement opportunities in white organizations–but hasn’t been for 50 years
    and supporting points
    — various groups with various behavioral traits have varying success (ex. Jews, Hindus, Chinese, Mexicans, Cubans, various white ethnic groups, Yankee WASPs, Germans, Irish, Scots-Irish etc.)

    But at root conservatives/Republicans must be willing to say:
    — structural racism is bullshit
    — white people have a right to live as white people–with their own norms, values, culture–in the land their ancestors built
    — and blacks who feel oppressed by that … then basic logic dictates that they should have their own nation and live separately where whites don’t “oppress” them …
    (that, of course, is not what that minoritarians want, what this is about)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  98. @SafeNow

    From my experience, you really don’t want to end up in a hospital unless you have absolutely no alternative.

  99. Getaclue says:
    @Dan Hayes

    “Medicine” is a joke — full of a plague of Faucis bought off by Rockefeller “medicine”, Big Pharma and Gates — an independent review showed the CDC inflated CVirus deaths by 1600% by changing the rules just for CVirus they had in place for 17 years as to measuring deaths — and broke Federal Law in doing so, totally political “non-Science” activity — will anything happen? Of course not, because “the Science”….:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study-did-cdc-inflate-covid-19-death-numbers-violate-federal-laws

  100. poverty, crime, lawlessness, homelessness, rats, diseases, garbage, & human feces…is it just a coincidence that many of the greatest cities in America became poverty-infested hellholes once the Democrats took charge of things? Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, NYC, St. Louis, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Oakland, Memphis, ECT…were all once great cities. but after an extended period of control by the Democratic party, each one of them has become a festering crisis that never seems to end.. So the moral of the story is this – if you want more violent crime, poverty, crime, lawlessness, homelessness, rats, diseases, garbage, & human feces vote for the Democrats. San Francisco’s streets are so filthy that at least three infectious disease experts has compared the city to some of the dirtiest slums in the world. if we could just convince Democrats and Rino Republicans to self-deport, I suspect that our crime rates, poverty, homelessness, rats, diseases, garbage, & human feces would significantly decrease in an evening or two. one can only dream.

  101. @James J O'Meara

    I saw Cassidy live at an event in Honolulu during his Lurch days. One of his co-stars didn’t show, but we kids didn’t care. He was the draw.

    The museum in his hometown features a pair of 19th-century mummies, evidently the first ever done in the U.S.

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2930

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @S. Anonyia

    How many people died due to unnecessary intubation? Someone should research it.

    It’s and interesting and important question, but who would research it? Hospitals? The AMA? The CDC?

    The medical establishment has so much invested in the COVID narrative that they can’t afford to backtrack now. Very few people have the intellectual honesty of Otter in Animal House to be able to say: “You f**ked up! You trusted us.”

  103. Mr. Anon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the early 60s, Cassidy worked as a DJ at WFAA in Dallas and reported the assassination of JFK. He can be heard in this clip at about 1:00:05

    He was a good actor. I always liked him as Harvey in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. It was a shame that he died relatively young.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cassidy

  104. Secession from woke jerkoffs is our only hope. No amount of force to get there is too extreme.

  105. Appaya says:

    (aka) The Boohoohoo Theory..

  106. Racism is the least of it.

    If I wake up tomorrow and think I’m Napoleon, You will declare me insane.
    If I wake up tomorrow and think I’m Josephine, those denying it are insane.
    How does a caring administration promote this truth?
    What are appropriate sanctions for nay-sayers.

  107. @Altai

    I have a hard time trying to figure out just how the Ad Agencies sell this nonsense to their clients.

    Apart from the recent Gillette debacle there are currently ads by some bunch of fuck-wits who think they can sell me something so that I can smell like a negro.

    Who are these people?

  108. wdg says:

    I was a research scientist/professor for over 40 years, published over 200 peer-reviewed papers in journals that include Nature and Science plus three books, supervised close to 20 graduate students and PDFs from western nations, China, Africa, India and Egypt, and lectured and gave short-courses all over the world. And I can say that there is both racism and sexism in Canada at the institutional level…but it is not against people of colour or women but against men of European backgrounds. In fact, there are even government funded programs that discriminate openly against white men.

    • Replies: @anon
  109. @S. Anonyia

    Do you doubt it? Have you been in a hospital outside of a wealthy major metro and observed how unsanitary they are or how surly the staff can be?

    This is medical nonentities (in the sense of personally having a direct hand in saving patients) like Fauci, minus the prime time slot, kvetching. People at the bottom of medical school classes need jobs, too. Those who can, practice. Those who can’t, join bureaucracies, where they snipe at those who can.

    You know how Fauci acquiesced to Cuomo’s sequestering of pandemic patients in nursing homes? It’s proof positive that this conman is a better politician than he is a patient advocate. And in theory, Fauci is the best of the med school dregs. Pathetic does not begin to describe this overpaid incompetent.

    • Replies: @anon
  110. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @wdg

    And I can say that there is both racism and sexism in Canada at the institutional level…but it is not against people of colour or women but against men of European backgrounds.

    Like what, specifically?

  111. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    And in theory, Fauci is the best of the med school dregs. Pathetic does not begin to describe this overpaid incompetent.

    Did Fauci graduate at the bottom of his med school class?

  112. @AnotherDad

    The *only* way forward for conservatives and Republicans now, both ideologically and electorally is to take this issue head on and call bullshit on “structural racism”.

    Agree, and in the spirit of doing so, may I point out that

    Conservatives can toss in the obvious admission
    — there once was “structural racism”–slavery and Jim Crow,

    even slavery, by itself, is not “structural [or systemic] racism”, since there were free blacks in antebellum times and not all bondsmen were black.

    Jim Crow too, is generally discussed as if it were worse than it actually was. The “Jim Crow” system was nothing but post-Civil War segregation and so applied to both blacks and whites equally: “separate but equal” as the Plessy v. Fergusson court decision upholding its Constitutionality concluded. What’s so horrible about blacks being with blacks while whites are with whites? It’s only horrible if you think there is something wrong with being with blacks, but this is what the anti-Jim Crow people are implicitly arguing, though they usually manage to dodge the implication of their own argument. Don’t let them.

  113. All of this crying about structural racism, can be summed up in a few words…… “More black shucking and jiving!”

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