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One of my more random predictions was that Trump and the new leftist president of Mexico, AMLO, were going to get along constructively. So far, they are, and it’s driving Conquistador-American Spanish language newscaster Jorge Ramos crazy. On the NYT opinion page, His Translucentness writes:

Mexico, Don’t Stand in the Way of Central American Migrants Headed for the U.S.
The American immigration system needs a complete makeover, but López Obrador’s government shouldn’t act as an extension of the Border Patrol.

By Jorge Ramos
Mr. Ramos is a contributing opinion writer and an anchor for the Univision network.

Feb. 7, 2020

Mexico is now the wall. President Trump got his wish.

The heart-wrenching images documenting a recent confrontation in the state of Chiapas, near the border with Guatemala, are evidence of this. Dozens of Mexican National Guard troops equipped with helmets, batons and transparent shields coalesced on the highway connecting the Mexican cities of Ciudad Hidalgo and Tapachula to stop a caravan of migrants heading to the United States from Central America.

The guardsmen used pepper spray on the caravan, which as of mid-January included about 4,000 people, many of them women and children. In the end, hundreds were detained, sent back to Guatemala or deported to Honduras. A spokeswoman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights condemned the actions of the National Guard, saying that the use of force to stop and disperse immigrants should be avoided.

Mexico has effectively turned into an extension of Mr. Trump’s immigration police beyond American territory. And this is the case on multiple fronts: On the southern border with Guatemala, they prevent Central American migrants from coming into Mexico; on the northern one, they block those seeking entry to the United States from leaving. The decision of Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, also known as AMLO, to follow this approach is misguided. He should let migrants continue their journey north.

 
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  1. ¡AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
    A lot of winning tonight but Ramos was particularly sweet. Still need to watch this “New Way Forward” Act.
    ——-
    Men in dresses upset that irrational, bigoted computers think trannies are men; men in dresses furthermore demand to be allowed into a web forum meant for young women, which is not creepy at all, andthatsagoodthing.

    [MORE]

    A new social app called Giggle is pitching itself as a girls-only networking platform. To sign up, users have to take a selfie. And while that might not sound too invasive, the app then uses “bio-metric gender verification software” to determine whether that person is a woman. If that wasn’t already bad enough, the technology doesn’t work if you’re trans [or: the technology works].
    “[G]iggle is for all girls,” the company points out on its website, before adding, “Due to the gender-verification software that giggle uses, trans-girls will experience trouble with being verified.” It’s the stuff of a dystopian novel. [Right? I mean, if it’s for all girls, then logically it also has to be for men, pilot whales, octopuses, and dogfish. 1984 I tell ya!]
    Giggle, founded by Australian screenwriter Sall Grover, supposedly looks at the bone structure of a person’s face to determine their gender. That’s problematic on a number of fronts, not least of which is that bone structure is clearly a poor indicator of gender identity. Nevertheless, Giggle says the science is sound. “It’s Bio-Science, not pseudo-science like phrenology,” the website declares [Nice slogan they got there!].
    Except it sounds a lot like pseudo-science [and this webmag journalist would know]. On Twitter, people called out the app’s inherent transphobia. “We shall await our judgement like sheep,” one user wrote. “All it takes is one selfie—if [G]iggle lets us in, we are welcomed into the society of women, to pass forevermore. If not, we shall be abandoned in a heap of offals and excrement [oh, be honest sister, that’s your typical Saturday night].”
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21128236/gender-app-giggle-women-ai-screen-trans-social

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    Who ya gonna believe, girls with dicks or your lying optical sensors?

    , @CCZ
    @J.Ross

    Still need to watch this “New Way Forward” Act.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMntDFfAhQ

  2. AMLO should let them Continue North because… reasons.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @anon215


    the caravan, which as of mid-January included about 4,000 people, many of them women and children. In the end, hundreds were detained, sent back to Guatemala or deported to Honduras.
     
    Hundreds? So perhaps 3600 or 3700 of the 4000 were sent on to the U.S.? Tragic!
  3. @J.Ross
    ¡AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
    A lot of winning tonight but Ramos was particularly sweet. Still need to watch this "New Way Forward" Act.
    -------
    Men in dresses upset that irrational, bigoted computers think trannies are men; men in dresses furthermore demand to be allowed into a web forum meant for young women, which is not creepy at all, andthatsagoodthing.

    A new social app called Giggle is pitching itself as a girls-only networking platform. To sign up, users have to take a selfie. And while that might not sound too invasive, the app then uses “bio-metric gender verification software” to determine whether that person is a woman. If that wasn’t already bad enough, the technology doesn’t work if you’re trans [or: the technology works].
    “[G]iggle is for all girls,” the company points out on its website, before adding, “Due to the gender-verification software that giggle uses, trans-girls will experience trouble with being verified.” It’s the stuff of a dystopian novel. [Right? I mean, if it's for all girls, then logically it also has to be for men, pilot whales, octopuses, and dogfish. 1984 I tell ya!]
    Giggle, founded by Australian screenwriter Sall Grover, supposedly looks at the bone structure of a person’s face to determine their gender. That’s problematic on a number of fronts, not least of which is that bone structure is clearly a poor indicator of gender identity. Nevertheless, Giggle says the science is sound. “It’s Bio-Science, not pseudo-science like phrenology,” the website declares [Nice slogan they got there!].
    Except it sounds a lot like pseudo-science [and this webmag journalist would know]. On Twitter, people called out the app’s inherent transphobia. “We shall await our judgement like sheep,” one user wrote. “All it takes is one selfie—if [G]iggle lets us in, we are welcomed into the society of women, to pass forevermore. If not, we shall be abandoned in a heap of offals and excrement [oh, be honest sister, that's your typical Saturday night].”
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21128236/gender-app-giggle-women-ai-screen-trans-social

    Replies: @Anonymous, @CCZ

    Who ya gonna believe, girls with dicks or your lying optical sensors?

  4. Obrador is deeply unlikely to take the advice of someone working for the penultimate example of a Mexican oligarch, whatever his reservations about Trump.

    As I’ve stated previously, Mexico has its own illegal immigration problem from Central America. It actually has a fair bit in common with ours, most notably tacit employer pressure conflicting with the desires of the rest of the voting populace to keep them out, particularly the working class populace that makes up Obrador’s support against the technocrats in thr PRI.

    If Trump’s image were less toxic in Mexico, this natural collaboration between the two sides who got screwed by NAFTA-the working classes in both countries-would be more obvious. Halting migration flows is best done with a Mexican government that had a stake in taking away the traditional safety valve to siphon off excess population used by Mexico’s elites to stabilize society and preserve their power… and who wants to make things better for native campesinos and workers dispossessed by things like free trade pacts, and who are further potentially screwed by migration from their own south. That means the leftists, not the PRI. Steve, to his credit, pointed this out long ago in his general rejection of BushLogic.

    What is different is that there’s no way Mexico can absorb 10 million+ of them and avoid a gasfire at the lower rungs of the socioeconomic structure. They struggle to keep the underclass they already have afloat. That means Obrador is going to do everything he can to keep them out of his country, come hell or high water. And the less risky option, in the end, is not letting them enter at all. All we’ve got to do is add further carrots on and, of course, not elect somebody who is going to go back to embracing the PRI.

    “Their only hope is to get to the United States.”

    Are you implying that Mexico is a bad place to be, you racist?

    On another level, though, it is worth mentioning that Mexican laws against illegal immigration are harsh, and Mexican societal attitudes toward their southern neighbors less than PC. Even in the expat communities in the USA, this is clear: MS-13 was founded to protect recent Salvadoran arrivals from more established Mexican gangs that didn’t look kindly on the new influx, and many Mexican employers flat out refused to hire Salvadorans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @nebulafox


    the penultimate example of a Mexican oligarch
     
    Then who is the ultimate example?

    Oh, and Jorge works for Vincent Sadusky.
  5. Let me guess… Jorge lives in Northeast Coconut Grove, and expects these arrivals to live in Southwest Coconut Grove, taking the bus to make his bed every morning. For peanuts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_Grove#Demographics

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  6. I think this tension, the conflict between what Diverse Americans think of White Americans and what the governments back in their native country believe their relationship with America should be, will increase in the future. Let me give some examples. African Americans are becoming more and more stridently anti-white, yet most African governments know it is convenient for them to be in good terms with the US. Mexican-Americans (especially its educated class) are becoming increasingly anti-white yet the Mexican government realizes it needs to have a good relationship with the United States. So these governments, in Africa, Mexico or elsewhere in the third world are generally very reluctant to use the anti-white rhetoric increasingly present among America’s “people of color”.

  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbds365RQvE

    Facebook put out a new commercial. Figured you guys could appreciate it. It pretty succinctly encapsulates The Current Year and what our country has become.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Thanks for nothin! (My curiosity got the best of me, and yes, you warned me.)

    I am even more glad today that I never joined up with Facebook, not even with fake info. Scarletnumber - GTF over it.

    , @William Badwhite
    @anon


    encapsulates The Current Year and what our country has become.
     
    A mexican looking bored and playing on his phone, a negress and some PO-unidentifiable-C making noise and disrupting class before heading outside and bouncing up and down with a black dude throwing gang signs, a fat mexican abandoning his job...seems kind of racist.
  8. @nebulafox
    Obrador is deeply unlikely to take the advice of someone working for the penultimate example of a Mexican oligarch, whatever his reservations about Trump.

    As I've stated previously, Mexico has its own illegal immigration problem from Central America. It actually has a fair bit in common with ours, most notably tacit employer pressure conflicting with the desires of the rest of the voting populace to keep them out, particularly the working class populace that makes up Obrador's support against the technocrats in thr PRI.

    If Trump's image were less toxic in Mexico, this natural collaboration between the two sides who got screwed by NAFTA-the working classes in both countries-would be more obvious. Halting migration flows is best done with a Mexican government that had a stake in taking away the traditional safety valve to siphon off excess population used by Mexico's elites to stabilize society and preserve their power... and who wants to make things better for native campesinos and workers dispossessed by things like free trade pacts, and who are further potentially screwed by migration from their own south. That means the leftists, not the PRI. Steve, to his credit, pointed this out long ago in his general rejection of BushLogic.

    What is different is that there's no way Mexico can absorb 10 million+ of them and avoid a gasfire at the lower rungs of the socioeconomic structure. They struggle to keep the underclass they already have afloat. That means Obrador is going to do everything he can to keep them out of his country, come hell or high water. And the less risky option, in the end, is not letting them enter at all. All we've got to do is add further carrots on and, of course, not elect somebody who is going to go back to embracing the PRI.

    "Their only hope is to get to the United States."

    Are you implying that Mexico is a bad place to be, you racist?

    On another level, though, it is worth mentioning that Mexican laws against illegal immigration are harsh, and Mexican societal attitudes toward their southern neighbors less than PC. Even in the expat communities in the USA, this is clear: MS-13 was founded to protect recent Salvadoran arrivals from more established Mexican gangs that didn't look kindly on the new influx, and many Mexican employers flat out refused to hire Salvadorans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    the penultimate example of a Mexican oligarch

    Then who is the ultimate example?

    Oh, and Jorge works for Vincent Sadusky.

  9. The real problem is clearly the more-or-less failed states of Guatemala and El Salvador, although Venezuela is also sending its share of refugees into the region.

    El Salvador has had TPS status since the earthquake of 2001, with the result that there are numerous Salvadoreans living in the US with US born children who are citizens of the US. Ditto for Haiti (earthquake 2010).

    Trump admin has made attempts to remove TPS status from El Salvador, but this has been stymied by the Ramos v Nielsen injunction.

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/ramos-v-nielsen-order-granting-preliminary-injunction-case-18-cv-01554-emc.pdf

    It is difficult to ethically send people back to El Salvador when the current administration has an extant (no) travel advisory for El Salvador that says: Violent crime, such as murder, assault, rape, and armed robbery, is common. Gang activity, such as extortion, violent street crime, and narcotics and arms trafficking, is widespread. Local police may lack the resources to respond effectively to serious criminal incidents.

    However there are still direct flights available from the US to San Salvador.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    >it is difficult ethically
    BS. The only difficulty is what will inevitably happen if we don't get rid of them, and that won't be difficult once more people are mugged by reality and lose their last overmilked reserve of pity. There never was a "refugee" issue, not for a minute. There are plenty of peoples facing what you describe who are "ethically" told to go kick rocks. This always was about using these people to destroy American democratic ideals and society, about bruteforcing us into Brazil The Model, about Brecht's aphorism about dissolving the people and electing another. Keeping pedophiles and slave laborers supplied was a middle priority benefit. A Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in New Jersey is as dead as a Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in El Salvador.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    Salvador, Guatemala, Tegucigalpa (Honduras), and Belize (not quite as 3rd-worldly), every day, to/from Atlanta, Georgia. Caracas has been cancelled for the foreseeable future. Communism is even more contagious than Coronavirus .... spreads through the feces... orally ...

  10. The thing is that a lot of so-called “Latin America” has potential. Globally speaking, one can do much, much worse than México…or Costa Rica, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Belize, Uruguay, and several other rleevant places.

    The intractable shit-holes are places, mostly in southern North America: El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaracgua, and Guatamela especially.

    With the right attitude (“please help us get our shit together and send the 82d Airborne Division, a few carrier strike groups, and the marines – we will welcome them if that’s what it takes – to make the rubble bounce in every area controlled by a warlord and secure our borders against hopeless places like Venezuela and most of central America”) these places may even prosper, after a fashion. At any rate they would stop being a hassle to the F.U.S.A.

    Maybe Trump (more likely an intelligent advisor of his – does he have any of those left?) realises all this….

    A lot could be gained by working to help México replace China as our manufacturing base (and most manufacturing does not require high intelligence aming the peons, so no worries about Mexicans being not as smart as Chinese), and the Mexicans cannot possibly be any more corrupt than the Chinese. if anything, it’s safer to have less intelligent folks doing the manufacturing – they won’t as easily steal and exploit all the intellectual property involved….

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Autochthon

    In the 1980s, Mexico tried to do a lot of what China was doing at the time: DDG "maquiladoras" for more. It failed for a number of reasons, above all the law and order issues and lack of infrastructure investment, but it is worth point out that Mexico was far wealthier than China at the time.

    Latin America is no hegemon, and Mexico is an upper middle class country by global standards. No, it's not South Korea or Finland, but neither is it India or the Philippines. Nor is it El Salvador. Central American countries like El Salvador tend to have a perfectly segregated post-colonial society, with a tiny wealthy creole elite and a mass of impoverished Indio peasants living in pseudo-feudal conditions, with the occasional Middle Eastern middleman minority in the cities.

    By contrast, Mexico has a way bigger mestizo populace. There's a clear oligarchal class, but they have successfully grown a significant middle class in the last 70 years that is predominantly mestizo or immigrant (mostly European or Middle Eastern, though there are some Asians) descended. You could do better than Mexico. You could also do worse.

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Autochthon


    The thing is that a lot of so-called “Latin America” has potential.
     
    Agreed. All we need is to get rid of a half a billion Latin Americans.
    , @Redneck farmer
    @Autochthon

    Costa Rica because the population is almost exclusively of European descent.

  11. @Jonathan Mason
    The real problem is clearly the more-or-less failed states of Guatemala and El Salvador, although Venezuela is also sending its share of refugees into the region.

    El Salvador has had TPS status since the earthquake of 2001, with the result that there are numerous Salvadoreans living in the US with US born children who are citizens of the US. Ditto for Haiti (earthquake 2010).

    Trump admin has made attempts to remove TPS status from El Salvador, but this has been stymied by the Ramos v Nielsen injunction.

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/ramos-v-nielsen-order-granting-preliminary-injunction-case-18-cv-01554-emc.pdf

    It is difficult to ethically send people back to El Salvador when the current administration has an extant (no) travel advisory for El Salvador that says: Violent crime, such as murder, assault, rape, and armed robbery, is common. Gang activity, such as extortion, violent street crime, and narcotics and arms trafficking, is widespread. Local police may lack the resources to respond effectively to serious criminal incidents.

    However there are still direct flights available from the US to San Salvador.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    >it is difficult ethically
    BS. The only difficulty is what will inevitably happen if we don’t get rid of them, and that won’t be difficult once more people are mugged by reality and lose their last overmilked reserve of pity. There never was a “refugee” issue, not for a minute. There are plenty of peoples facing what you describe who are “ethically” told to go kick rocks. This always was about using these people to destroy American democratic ideals and society, about bruteforcing us into Brazil The Model, about Brecht’s aphorism about dissolving the people and electing another. Keeping pedophiles and slave laborers supplied was a middle priority benefit. A Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in New Jersey is as dead as a Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in El Salvador.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    Great comment, Mr. Ross! I'd thought till only about 10 years ago that it was the double wammy of the Corporate "Right" wanting the cheap labor and the Political Left wanting the votes that was the reason America is getting screwed so bad. Nope, it is more the deliberate destruction via immigration by people who hate traditional America, with the excuses of "the humanity" and that poem, along with the willing sell-out of the country by the two afore-mentioned factions.

    Yes, there are S. Africans whose farms are being taken and family members killed by the blacks with complicity of the government there who would be real refugees. They aren't even told to kick rocks, cause nobody even asks about this. There was a German homeschooling family of 6, obviously never to be a drain on the American taxpayer that even the Trump administration didn't help stay in America - see Freedom and homeschooling in Germany and America with Lame-O Trump.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  12. Can we deport this pos already ? Is it possible for a president to revoke an immigrants citizenship in national security grounds ?

  13. @J.Ross
    ¡AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
    A lot of winning tonight but Ramos was particularly sweet. Still need to watch this "New Way Forward" Act.
    -------
    Men in dresses upset that irrational, bigoted computers think trannies are men; men in dresses furthermore demand to be allowed into a web forum meant for young women, which is not creepy at all, andthatsagoodthing.

    A new social app called Giggle is pitching itself as a girls-only networking platform. To sign up, users have to take a selfie. And while that might not sound too invasive, the app then uses “bio-metric gender verification software” to determine whether that person is a woman. If that wasn’t already bad enough, the technology doesn’t work if you’re trans [or: the technology works].
    “[G]iggle is for all girls,” the company points out on its website, before adding, “Due to the gender-verification software that giggle uses, trans-girls will experience trouble with being verified.” It’s the stuff of a dystopian novel. [Right? I mean, if it's for all girls, then logically it also has to be for men, pilot whales, octopuses, and dogfish. 1984 I tell ya!]
    Giggle, founded by Australian screenwriter Sall Grover, supposedly looks at the bone structure of a person’s face to determine their gender. That’s problematic on a number of fronts, not least of which is that bone structure is clearly a poor indicator of gender identity. Nevertheless, Giggle says the science is sound. “It’s Bio-Science, not pseudo-science like phrenology,” the website declares [Nice slogan they got there!].
    Except it sounds a lot like pseudo-science [and this webmag journalist would know]. On Twitter, people called out the app’s inherent transphobia. “We shall await our judgement like sheep,” one user wrote. “All it takes is one selfie—if [G]iggle lets us in, we are welcomed into the society of women, to pass forevermore. If not, we shall be abandoned in a heap of offals and excrement [oh, be honest sister, that's your typical Saturday night].”
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21128236/gender-app-giggle-women-ai-screen-trans-social

    Replies: @Anonymous, @CCZ

    Still need to watch this “New Way Forward” Act.

  14. @anon215
    AMLO should let them Continue North because... reasons.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    the caravan, which as of mid-January included about 4,000 people, many of them women and children. In the end, hundreds were detained, sent back to Guatemala or deported to Honduras.

    Hundreds? So perhaps 3600 or 3700 of the 4000 were sent on to the U.S.? Tragic!

  15. • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Desiderius

    A little trust busting never hurt anyone's political prospects, you know. Especially if the trusts are controlled by people who hate your guts anyway.

  16. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    There is no reason to completely write off the 737 MAX. It could be reworked into a usable aircraft, though one with less good numbers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Russ
    @Desiderius


    When Boeing was run by engineers in Seattle and planes were built by unionized American workers, the 737 was the most profitable aircraft in human history, with no subsidies.
     
    The just-deposed CEO was one of those vaunted Seattle engineers, and not only the workers but also the engineers were and remain unionized in Puget Sound, so methinks the Ground Zero of Grunge protests too much. Smoking all that legal recreational pot is leading to dubious aircraft and hyperbolic rationalizations.
  17. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/SpeakingBee/status/1225459532471472128?s=20

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Russ

    There is no reason to completely write off the 737 MAX. It could be reworked into a usable aircraft, though one with less good numbers.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The only problem with the 737 MAX is its name. It's not a 737 and should never have been marketed as such. Boeing should have foreseen that Third World pilots would just assume it's a 737 and not bother to read the new manual. Remember, pilots in much of Africa and Asia got their jobs because of their connections to the government. (Rulers don't want potential coups and revolutions to have air support.) Boeing was assuming a level of professionalism from these people that simply doesn't exist.

  18. It’s almost as if somebody built a wall and made Mexico pay for it. But that’s crazy talk.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    @Dan Smith

    But a change of government on either side of the border and the flow of migrants will resume with a vengeance
    The Wall is needed as a symbolic victory by Deplorables versus the Globalists. That symbolic victory will need to followed by substantive ones , but there needs to be a start

  19. @Autochthon
    The thing is that a lot of so-called "Latin America" has potential. Globally speaking, one can do much, much worse than México...or Costa Rica, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Belize, Uruguay, and several other rleevant places.

    The intractable shit-holes are places, mostly in southern North America: El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaracgua, and Guatamela especially.

    With the right attitude ("please help us get our shit together and send the 82d Airborne Division, a few carrier strike groups, and the marines – we will welcome them if that's what it takes – to make the rubble bounce in every area controlled by a warlord and secure our borders against hopeless places like Venezuela and most of central America") these places may even prosper, after a fashion. At any rate they would stop being a hassle to the F.U.S.A.

    Maybe Trump (more likely an intelligent advisor of his – does he have any of those left?) realises all this....

    A lot could be gained by working to help México replace China as our manufacturing base (and most manufacturing does not require high intelligence aming the peons, so no worries about Mexicans being not as smart as Chinese), and the Mexicans cannot possibly be any more corrupt than the Chinese. if anything, it's safer to have less intelligent folks doing the manufacturing – they won't as easily steal and exploit all the intellectual property involved....

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mr McKenna, @Redneck farmer

    In the 1980s, Mexico tried to do a lot of what China was doing at the time: DDG “maquiladoras” for more. It failed for a number of reasons, above all the law and order issues and lack of infrastructure investment, but it is worth point out that Mexico was far wealthier than China at the time.

    Latin America is no hegemon, and Mexico is an upper middle class country by global standards. No, it’s not South Korea or Finland, but neither is it India or the Philippines. Nor is it El Salvador. Central American countries like El Salvador tend to have a perfectly segregated post-colonial society, with a tiny wealthy creole elite and a mass of impoverished Indio peasants living in pseudo-feudal conditions, with the occasional Middle Eastern middleman minority in the cities.

    By contrast, Mexico has a way bigger mestizo populace. There’s a clear oligarchal class, but they have successfully grown a significant middle class in the last 70 years that is predominantly mestizo or immigrant (mostly European or Middle Eastern, though there are some Asians) descended. You could do better than Mexico. You could also do worse.

  20. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1225912770920669185?s=20

    Replies: @nebulafox

    A little trust busting never hurt anyone’s political prospects, you know. Especially if the trusts are controlled by people who hate your guts anyway.

  21. What, you didn’t realize that the Zeroth Amendment obviously applies to Mexico’s southern border? and all the people of Central and South America?

    “A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome…

  22. @Autochthon
    The thing is that a lot of so-called "Latin America" has potential. Globally speaking, one can do much, much worse than México...or Costa Rica, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Belize, Uruguay, and several other rleevant places.

    The intractable shit-holes are places, mostly in southern North America: El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaracgua, and Guatamela especially.

    With the right attitude ("please help us get our shit together and send the 82d Airborne Division, a few carrier strike groups, and the marines – we will welcome them if that's what it takes – to make the rubble bounce in every area controlled by a warlord and secure our borders against hopeless places like Venezuela and most of central America") these places may even prosper, after a fashion. At any rate they would stop being a hassle to the F.U.S.A.

    Maybe Trump (more likely an intelligent advisor of his – does he have any of those left?) realises all this....

    A lot could be gained by working to help México replace China as our manufacturing base (and most manufacturing does not require high intelligence aming the peons, so no worries about Mexicans being not as smart as Chinese), and the Mexicans cannot possibly be any more corrupt than the Chinese. if anything, it's safer to have less intelligent folks doing the manufacturing – they won't as easily steal and exploit all the intellectual property involved....

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mr McKenna, @Redneck farmer

    The thing is that a lot of so-called “Latin America” has potential.

    Agreed. All we need is to get rid of a half a billion Latin Americans.

  23. Didn’t Tucker call Jorge a blue eyed member of Mexico’s White elite? Or something along those lines.

  24. @Dan Smith
    It’s almost as if somebody built a wall and made Mexico pay for it. But that’s crazy talk.

    Replies: @Houston 1992

    But a change of government on either side of the border and the flow of migrants will resume with a vengeance
    The Wall is needed as a symbolic victory by Deplorables versus the Globalists. That symbolic victory will need to followed by substantive ones , but there needs to be a start

    • Agree: Dan Smith
  25. @Autochthon
    The thing is that a lot of so-called "Latin America" has potential. Globally speaking, one can do much, much worse than México...or Costa Rica, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Belize, Uruguay, and several other rleevant places.

    The intractable shit-holes are places, mostly in southern North America: El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaracgua, and Guatamela especially.

    With the right attitude ("please help us get our shit together and send the 82d Airborne Division, a few carrier strike groups, and the marines – we will welcome them if that's what it takes – to make the rubble bounce in every area controlled by a warlord and secure our borders against hopeless places like Venezuela and most of central America") these places may even prosper, after a fashion. At any rate they would stop being a hassle to the F.U.S.A.

    Maybe Trump (more likely an intelligent advisor of his – does he have any of those left?) realises all this....

    A lot could be gained by working to help México replace China as our manufacturing base (and most manufacturing does not require high intelligence aming the peons, so no worries about Mexicans being not as smart as Chinese), and the Mexicans cannot possibly be any more corrupt than the Chinese. if anything, it's safer to have less intelligent folks doing the manufacturing – they won't as easily steal and exploit all the intellectual property involved....

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mr McKenna, @Redneck farmer

    Costa Rica because the population is almost exclusively of European descent.

  26. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/SpeakingBee/status/1225459532471472128?s=20

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Russ

    When Boeing was run by engineers in Seattle and planes were built by unionized American workers, the 737 was the most profitable aircraft in human history, with no subsidies.

    The just-deposed CEO was one of those vaunted Seattle engineers, and not only the workers but also the engineers were and remain unionized in Puget Sound, so methinks the Ground Zero of Grunge protests too much. Smoking all that legal recreational pot is leading to dubious aircraft and hyperbolic rationalizations.

  27. All politicians should be asked – repeatedly – why mass immigration of low skill/education people to the US is good for the people who already live here, and if they can think of *any* downside.

    I would guess most would just babble incoherently.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Arclight

    They would have "answers" that don't really answer your questions. They would claim that immigrants contribute to the economy -- and they do make it bigger but that we know that a bigger economy is not necessarily better -- and they would bring up moral reasons why we have to keep taking in more poor people who most likely will remain low income people in America (which is a fact that they will not acknowledge).

    They certainly will not grapple with the question of why we continue to import large numbers of new people when studies show massive, permanent job losses due to technology are coming soon. I would like to ask Andrew Yang -- who does predict these massive job losses -- why he wants to continue with mass migration in private so he could give an honest answer. In public of course as a Democrat he cannot be truthful.

    Political dodging of facts is one of the reasons average people don't realize the terrible effects that come from mass migration. The people who will tell the truth are never asked the right questions.

  28. @anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbds365RQvE

    Facebook put out a new commercial. Figured you guys could appreciate it. It pretty succinctly encapsulates The Current Year and what our country has become.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @William Badwhite

    Thanks for nothin! (My curiosity got the best of me, and yes, you warned me.)

    I am even more glad today that I never joined up with Facebook, not even with fake info. Scarletnumber – GTF over it.

  29. @Jonathan Mason
    The real problem is clearly the more-or-less failed states of Guatemala and El Salvador, although Venezuela is also sending its share of refugees into the region.

    El Salvador has had TPS status since the earthquake of 2001, with the result that there are numerous Salvadoreans living in the US with US born children who are citizens of the US. Ditto for Haiti (earthquake 2010).

    Trump admin has made attempts to remove TPS status from El Salvador, but this has been stymied by the Ramos v Nielsen injunction.

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/ramos-v-nielsen-order-granting-preliminary-injunction-case-18-cv-01554-emc.pdf

    It is difficult to ethically send people back to El Salvador when the current administration has an extant (no) travel advisory for El Salvador that says: Violent crime, such as murder, assault, rape, and armed robbery, is common. Gang activity, such as extortion, violent street crime, and narcotics and arms trafficking, is widespread. Local police may lack the resources to respond effectively to serious criminal incidents.

    However there are still direct flights available from the US to San Salvador.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    Salvador, Guatemala, Tegucigalpa (Honduras), and Belize (not quite as 3rd-worldly), every day, to/from Atlanta, Georgia. Caracas has been cancelled for the foreseeable future. Communism is even more contagious than Coronavirus …. spreads through the feces… orally …

  30. @anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbds365RQvE

    Facebook put out a new commercial. Figured you guys could appreciate it. It pretty succinctly encapsulates The Current Year and what our country has become.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @William Badwhite

    encapsulates The Current Year and what our country has become.

    A mexican looking bored and playing on his phone, a negress and some PO-unidentifiable-C making noise and disrupting class before heading outside and bouncing up and down with a black dude throwing gang signs, a fat mexican abandoning his job…seems kind of racist.

  31. What is wrong with Hispanic migrants getting no further than Hispanic Mexico? Is there something wrong with the migrants being amongst Mexicans? Jorge Ramos sounds racist!

  32. @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    >it is difficult ethically
    BS. The only difficulty is what will inevitably happen if we don't get rid of them, and that won't be difficult once more people are mugged by reality and lose their last overmilked reserve of pity. There never was a "refugee" issue, not for a minute. There are plenty of peoples facing what you describe who are "ethically" told to go kick rocks. This always was about using these people to destroy American democratic ideals and society, about bruteforcing us into Brazil The Model, about Brecht's aphorism about dissolving the people and electing another. Keeping pedophiles and slave laborers supplied was a middle priority benefit. A Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in New Jersey is as dead as a Salvadoran tortured to death by MS-13 in El Salvador.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Great comment, Mr. Ross! I’d thought till only about 10 years ago that it was the double wammy of the Corporate “Right” wanting the cheap labor and the Political Left wanting the votes that was the reason America is getting screwed so bad. Nope, it is more the deliberate destruction via immigration by people who hate traditional America, with the excuses of “the humanity” and that poem, along with the willing sell-out of the country by the two afore-mentioned factions.

    Yes, there are S. Africans whose farms are being taken and family members killed by the blacks with complicity of the government there who would be real refugees. They aren’t even told to kick rocks, cause nobody even asks about this. There was a German homeschooling family of 6, obviously never to be a drain on the American taxpayer that even the Trump administration didn’t help stay in America – see Freedom and homeschooling in Germany and America with Lame-O Trump.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Nope, it is more the deliberate destruction via immigration by people who hate traditional America, with the excuses of “the humanity” and that poem, along with the willing sell-out of the country by the two afore-mentioned factions."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLGQmkw67Vg

  33. A spokeswoman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights condemned the actions of the National Guard, saying that the use of force to stop and disperse immigrants should be avoided.

    Just to be clear, this is advocating unlimited illegal immigration. You can ask nicely, then rudely, but in the end, if the aliens don’t listen, you just have to let them come in, because building relatively impervious barriers is immoral, and so is physically stopping them. This is a U.N. endorsement of open borders.

  34. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    There is no reason to completely write off the 737 MAX. It could be reworked into a usable aircraft, though one with less good numbers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The only problem with the 737 MAX is its name. It’s not a 737 and should never have been marketed as such. Boeing should have foreseen that Third World pilots would just assume it’s a 737 and not bother to read the new manual. Remember, pilots in much of Africa and Asia got their jobs because of their connections to the government. (Rulers don’t want potential coups and revolutions to have air support.) Boeing was assuming a level of professionalism from these people that simply doesn’t exist.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
  35. I think Hispanic mass immigration to the US will ironically make the country more European culturally than it was with a white majority. Hispanics seem to retain much closer cultural and sentimental links with the old continent, particularly with Spain than white Americans do.

    It’s not unusual for Hispanics to refer to themselves as “Spanish” colloquially, whereas the average white American would regard it as an insult to be referred to as “English/British” or even as “European”.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Europe Europa

    Hispanics seem to retain much closer cultural and sentimental links with the old continent, particularly with Spain than white Americans do.

    It’s not unusual for Hispanics to refer to themselves as “Spanish” colloquially,


    Lol.

    What does "Mestizaje" mean? What is "La Raza Cosmica"? That's just one country. How many actual "Hispanics" have you ever known?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    Great comment, Mr. Ross! I'd thought till only about 10 years ago that it was the double wammy of the Corporate "Right" wanting the cheap labor and the Political Left wanting the votes that was the reason America is getting screwed so bad. Nope, it is more the deliberate destruction via immigration by people who hate traditional America, with the excuses of "the humanity" and that poem, along with the willing sell-out of the country by the two afore-mentioned factions.

    Yes, there are S. Africans whose farms are being taken and family members killed by the blacks with complicity of the government there who would be real refugees. They aren't even told to kick rocks, cause nobody even asks about this. There was a German homeschooling family of 6, obviously never to be a drain on the American taxpayer that even the Trump administration didn't help stay in America - see Freedom and homeschooling in Germany and America with Lame-O Trump.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    “Nope, it is more the deliberate destruction via immigration by people who hate traditional America, with the excuses of “the humanity” and that poem, along with the willing sell-out of the country by the two afore-mentioned factions.”

  37. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Europe Europa
    I think Hispanic mass immigration to the US will ironically make the country more European culturally than it was with a white majority. Hispanics seem to retain much closer cultural and sentimental links with the old continent, particularly with Spain than white Americans do.

    It's not unusual for Hispanics to refer to themselves as "Spanish" colloquially, whereas the average white American would regard it as an insult to be referred to as "English/British" or even as "European".

    Replies: @anon

    Hispanics seem to retain much closer cultural and sentimental links with the old continent, particularly with Spain than white Americans do.

    It’s not unusual for Hispanics to refer to themselves as “Spanish” colloquially,

    Lol.

    What does “Mestizaje” mean? What is “La Raza Cosmica”? That’s just one country. How many actual “Hispanics” have you ever known?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Steezers.

  38. How “horrible” is El Salvador? Many airlines not only fly there now but are ADDING flights.

    Spirit currently flies nonstop from Fort Lauderdale, Houston and Orlando. They begin daily nonstop from Baltimore May 21, 2020.
    Frontier is starting nonstop flights from Baltimore, Miami and Ontario CA on June 18, 2020.
    (Hmmm… Two airlines adding DAILY nonstop flights to San Salvador. It’s as if people want to go there!)

    Flying there can be cheap too! A nonstop United flight from Houston leaving tomorrow (Sunday 2-9-20 6:28pm) is $41.00. Nonstop on Spirit is $48.00.

    (Sources: Wikipedia El Salvador International Airport and Google Flights)

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @North Carolina Resident

    Maybe it’s like all those shipping containers stacked up outside the NYC ports. The planes go down empty, but they come back full?

  39. @anon
    @Europe Europa

    Hispanics seem to retain much closer cultural and sentimental links with the old continent, particularly with Spain than white Americans do.

    It’s not unusual for Hispanics to refer to themselves as “Spanish” colloquially,


    Lol.

    What does "Mestizaje" mean? What is "La Raza Cosmica"? That's just one country. How many actual "Hispanics" have you ever known?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Steezers.

  40. @Arclight
    All politicians should be asked - repeatedly - why mass immigration of low skill/education people to the US is good for the people who already live here, and if they can think of *any* downside.

    I would guess most would just babble incoherently.

    Replies: @notsaying

    They would have “answers” that don’t really answer your questions. They would claim that immigrants contribute to the economy — and they do make it bigger but that we know that a bigger economy is not necessarily better — and they would bring up moral reasons why we have to keep taking in more poor people who most likely will remain low income people in America (which is a fact that they will not acknowledge).

    They certainly will not grapple with the question of why we continue to import large numbers of new people when studies show massive, permanent job losses due to technology are coming soon. I would like to ask Andrew Yang — who does predict these massive job losses — why he wants to continue with mass migration in private so he could give an honest answer. In public of course as a Democrat he cannot be truthful.

    Political dodging of facts is one of the reasons average people don’t realize the terrible effects that come from mass migration. The people who will tell the truth are never asked the right questions.

  41. @North Carolina Resident
    How "horrible" is El Salvador? Many airlines not only fly there now but are ADDING flights.

    Spirit currently flies nonstop from Fort Lauderdale, Houston and Orlando. They begin daily nonstop from Baltimore May 21, 2020.
    Frontier is starting nonstop flights from Baltimore, Miami and Ontario CA on June 18, 2020.
    (Hmmm... Two airlines adding DAILY nonstop flights to San Salvador. It's as if people want to go there!)

    Flying there can be cheap too! A nonstop United flight from Houston leaving tomorrow (Sunday 2-9-20 6:28pm) is $41.00. Nonstop on Spirit is $48.00.


    (Sources: Wikipedia El Salvador International Airport and Google Flights)

    Replies: @JMcG

    Maybe it’s like all those shipping containers stacked up outside the NYC ports. The planes go down empty, but they come back full?

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