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So, washed-up superstar Johnny “Pirates of the Caribbean” Depp is suing his ex-wife, blonde starlet/adventuress Amber Heard, for \$50 million in a defamation case (and Heard is counter-suing Depp for \$100 million) for allowing to be published under her name a Washington Post op-ed implying Depp was guilty of “sexual violence:”

Amber Heard: I spoke up against sexual violence — and faced our culture’s wrath. That has to change.

Heard’s op-ed was actually written by four ACLU lawyers after she had promised to donate half of her seven million dollar divorce settlement from Depp to the once-respected NGO.

Depp’s legal burden of proof is fairly high, so he may well not win money, but he seems to be winning in the court of public opinion. Over the course of this televised trial, public sentiment has increasingly favored Depp as the evidence unfolded. Nobody these days much wants to pay for a movie ticket to see the hard-drinking has-been anymore, but in a long, quirky career he did put on a number of memorable roles, both conventional (Donnie Brasco) and out-of-the-blue (Edward Scissorhands, and Ed Wood). On the Conventional But Consistent vs. Erratic But Quirky dimension of leading man-dom, with Tom Cruise at one pole and Brad Pitt in the middle, Depp was at the Quirky pole.

The culmination of Depp’s career was in Captain Jack Sparrow, in which he played a pirate as a 1970s rock star, the perfect role for the high cheekboned Depp who went to Hollywood in 1983 to be a 1970s rock star.

In contrast, Ms. Heard’s movie career has never caught on with audiences, although she’s often been cast in promising roles. It’s almost as if she’s a better actress in private than in public. Or perhaps her career has suffered from the 21st Century’s push for You Go Girl feminism, which has pretty much wiped out the femme fatale roles that, judging by her well-publicized private life, she might have been born to play.

That the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) is not mindlessly rooting for Amber Heard as a member of Team Women like they are supposed to, but is instead listening carefully and deciding between two individuals, is driving the gatekeepers nuts. From the New York Times opinion page:

The Humiliation of Amber Heard Is Both Modern and Medieval
May 20, 2022

By Jessica Bennett

Ms. Bennett is a contributing editor in Opinion who writes on gender, politics and culture.

… The trope of the scorned woman who takes revenge goes back much further than “Fatal Attraction,” of course — Dido cursing the Trojans as she killed herself, Medea’s awful revenge on her unfaithful husband. And indeed, this trial could function as a case study in contrived stereotypes used to discredit women, even if you believe there is some truth behind Mr. Depp’s claims.

Ms. Heard has been portrayed as mentally unstable, hysterical, a gold digger, a temptress who brought home other paramours at all hours of the night, a freeloader who moved her friends into Mr. Depp’s many houses, an attention-seeker with an unquenchable need for drama and of course an untrustworthy liar — textbook undermining strategies, each with its own sexist implications.

… Somehow, Ms. Heard seems to have become a stand-in for every evil, lying woman getting her comeuppance — alpha queen bees in high school, the girl who slept with your boyfriend or girlfriend, every manipulative ex. She is Eve, she is Medusa, she is Lady Macbeth. She evokes vamps and vampires, wicked stepmothers, witches.

Maybe she’s just not a good actress in front of the camera, but this kind of inner nature sounds like it should have led to a better movie career. What kind of role could James M. Cain, Billy Wilder, and Raymond Chandler have written for a woman like her? But the long Double IndemnityBody Heat era of great roles for actresses as manipulative monsters is over because those roles are tropes.

And Vox explains:

Why the Depp-Heard trial is so much worse than you realize

Amber Heard is just the first target of a new extremist playbook.

By Aja Romano @ajaromano May 20, 2022, 1:00pm EDT

… The work of those bots has been further amplified by “men’s rights activists” — the part of the far-right-leaning extremist “manosphere” that seems to have decided discrediting Amber Heard is the key to destroying every woman who accuses men of abuse or domestic violence.

Trial memes — almost universally weighted against Heard — have taken over every corner of the internet, from TikTok to Twitch to Etsy.

The Alt-Right notoriously dominates TikTok, Twitch, and Etsy (the crafts website).

Even Saturday Night Live has lampooned what have been portrayed as the many excesses and absurdities of the trial testimony, and social media users have similarly found the trial ripe for parody.

How dare Saturday Night Live go for laughs instead of edification? What is the Current Year, 1991?

On TikTok, for example, totally unrelated accounts seem to have given themselves over to full-time Depp-Heard trial mockery, to the point where the actual substance of the testimony seems completely irrelevant beside the need to mine the proceedings for entertainment.

I want to see Amber Heard go all-Joe Pesci and ask: “Do I entertain you?” And America’s answer would be: Not when we had to pay to see you in the movie theater, but this free stuff is great!

… Most of the reporting on these memes has placed the blame for their sensationalist tone squarely on the evolution of fandom content creation. But recall that the white supremacist alt-right movement has a long history of memeifying everything they want to normalize and legitimize, and keep in the forefront of your mind that the alt-right latched onto this case as its bulwark long before fandom and the internet at large did. By now, after years of political disinformation campaigns, we’re used to social media’s natural ability to contort reality. Rarely, however, has it bent this far, this rapidly, for this many people, in service of something this vile.

In contrast, recall the superbly responsible job the mainstream media has done over the last two years in reporting on the Mostly Peaceful Protests and Racial Reckoning at a cost in incremental dead bodies of not that far into five figures and counting.

… What we’re witnessing here are the dramatically compounded effects of internet researcher Alice Marwick’s theory of morally motivated networked harassment, which holds that a group of social media users can justify any amount of abuse directed at a target if they feel their cause is morally right.

This is, of course, totally different from what happened to all those Karens, like the Central Park Karen (did she ever get another job?), who deserved everything they had coming to them. You see, Amber Heard is on the Good Team, not the Bad Team.

How do we know? We can just tell.

… The Depp-Heard trial has refined the Gamergate playbook in a way that will haunt us for years to come. It has proven to extremists that if you rally around the right beloved public figure or institution, blanket them in a protective sphere of outrage and misinformation, and weaponize fandom culture — already so prone to ideological radicalization and irrational groupthink — you can successfully push whatever media narrative you want into the mainstream.

In contrast to the prestige press, which only picks out carefully vetted heroes to promote like George Floyd.

 
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  1. It’s not as if this culture is begging God for Armageddon or anything.

    Dear meteorite, faster please.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • LOL: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Tool wrote a song in 1996 called Aenima, where within the lyrics Maynard James Keenan calls for a giant earthquake to knock Los Angeles into the Ocean. Read the lyrics and decide if they are relative today:

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Fret for your figure and
    Fret for your latte and
    Fret for your lawsuit and
    Fret for your hairpiece and
    Fret for your Prozac and
    Fret for your pilot and
    Fret for your contract and
    Fret for your car

    It's a
    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Some say a comet will fall from the sky
    Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
    Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still
    Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip-shits

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will because
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Silly shit, stupid shit . . .

    One great big festering neon distraction
    I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

    Learn to swim

    Mom's going to fix it all soon
    Mom's coming around to put it back the way it ought to be

    Fuck L. Ron Hubbard and
    Fuck all his clones
    Fuck all those gun-toting
    Hip gangster wannabes
    Fuck retro anything
    Fuck your tattoos
    Fuck all you junkies and
    Fuck your short memory
    Fuck smiley glad-hands
    With hidden agendas
    Fuck these dysfunctional
    Insecure actresses

    Because I'm praying for mayhem
    And I'm praying for tidal waves
    I want to see the ground give way
    I want to watch it all go down
    Mom, please flush it all away
    I want to see it go right in and down
    I want to watch it go right in
    Watch you flush it all away

    Time to bring it down again
    Don't just call me pessimist
    Try and read between the lines

    I can't imagine why you wouldn't
    Welcome any change, my friend

    I want to see it all come down
    Suck it down
    Flush it down

    https://youtu.be/rHcmnowjfrQ

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

  2. I find the Heard thing is actually very cathartic for women because they can finally point out the kind of female psychopaths whom they bare the brunt of in terms of interpersonal conflict and attack.

    Moreover the moment we’re having as a culture is driven by insane female social aggression and politicking on social media, particularly young and adolescent kind. Women with BPD are in a way being exposed through Amber Heard.

    I doubt Depp is much better, these kinds of cluster B types are deeply attracted to each other. I keep seeing guys wonder how Davidson gets with all these attractive famous women despite being unattractive, dim and a stoner with serious mental health issues, albeit he is also rich and famous but these women have lots of rich and famous guys to pick from. What they like about Davidson is he is a turbo cluster B fuckup, a man diagnosed with BPD. These kinds of women who also have cluster B traits enjoy the drama and a psycho stuff, so much that they overlook his appearance and other deficits.

    People with BPD are prone to exactly this kind of insane purity spiraling and cancel culture stuff. What has changed is that social media has become not only the central forum for social and political commentary but that these types of people are powerusers who influence things significantly and then force adolescent conformist women with normal psychologies to adopt it. That’s essentially what Tumblr was and Twitter has become Tumblr on a lag.

    The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it’s already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Altai

    "The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it’s already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years."

    Dingy chicks ruthlessly enforcing norms they just invented, being totally blind to their own flaws and outraged when others point out what self-absorbed hypocrites they are. That's the West at the moment:

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1527309997213769730?s=20&t=2Su2MbRMfc94T9baekcT4A

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @dearieme
    @Altai

    I assume BPD = Bitch Personality Disorder?

    , @Sam Grisham
    @Altai

    You wanna get depressed? Read this story of a world-renowned scientist, cancer researcher, former MIT prof who’s now unemployed and living on unemployment because of an ambitious female subordinate and spurned lover.

    This is a horror story:

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=r

    He Was a World-Renowned Cancer Researcher. Now He's Collecting Unemployment.
    Behind the fall of David Sabatini, 'one of the greatest scientists' of his generation.

    Suzy Weiss
    May 19

    In 2018, David Sabatini was a world-renowned molecular biologist. He was a tenured professor at MIT. He ran a major lab at the Whitehead Institute, overseeing a team of 39 researchers, postdocs and technicians. Their job was to disentangle the mystery of the mTOR signaling pathway, a protein Sabatini had discovered while still in medical school, at Johns Hopkins. The mTOR signaling pathway plays a critical role in tumor development. Figuring out how it works would go a long way toward saving countless lives.

    This was why Sabatini was predicted to win the Nobel Prize. It was how he reeled in between three and four million dollars every year for his lab from the National Institutes of Health, the Pentagon and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, among others. It is why his colleagues have described him to me with words like “genius,” “one of the best scientists alive,” and “a pillar.”

    “It’s like working for Steve Jobs. He can be brutal,” said one scientist. “But why would you want to work for anyone else?”

    Today, Sabatini is unemployed and unemployable. No one wants to be associated with him. Those who do risk losing their jobs, publishing opportunities, friends, visas, and huge federal grants. “What wormhole did my life take, to billionaires and protests and being called a sexual predator? What quirk in the universe allowed this to happen?” Sabatini asked me...

    Read the rest HERE

     

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Ben tillman
    @Altai

    Who is Davidson?

  3. It appears both of them are very disturbed individuals, who’ve suffered the cursed consequences of money, fame, and fortune. I wish both were stripped of their money and forced to live out the rest of their lives in a double-wide trailer… my apologies to whomever their neighbors might be.

    • Agree: Michelle
    • Thanks: Muggles
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Rooster15

    I guess you missed the Rolling Stone article a couple years ago that made pretty clear that Depp had blown almost all of his hundreds of millions of dollars. No matter who wins, neither will see even 10% of the winnings

  4. Heard wins a \$7 million divorce settlement, gives half away to a left leaning NGO, and she is the victim of the right. Seems to fit with current thinking that all things bad are the fault of the right.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Buffalo Joe

    You apparently didn't see the Columbian spitfire,Camille Vasquez,force Amber to admit that while she "pledged" 7 million,half to the ACLU,she didn't actually donate a dime.

    The above "trope" said to describe Amber,(mentally unstable,hysterical etc.) seems pretty accurate. Yes,sometimes women are bad and may even do bad things. So hard for a feminist to comprehend.
    A quick look at a picture of Aja Romano,( probably named after the Steely Dan song) may give us a clue. Good Christ in Heaven!!😮Oh,the irony of this,this person defending Amber,who,at the tender age of 20,had a face that,remember the Chandler quip,could make an archbishop kick a hole in a stained glass window!
    Men may cheer the anti-Amberism on display,but something tells me if the litigant was say Mitch McConnell,it might go a different way.😉

    Replies: @Bubba, @AndrewR, @Anon

  5. • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Cagey Beast

    Well, it's not as discreet as this, but business is business:

    https://youtu.be/d_a6vVGY5kI?t=69

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Cagey Beast

    Damn!

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Cagey Beast

    Well, this was a misfortune, but think of all this stress - - - what should she do?! - - -I mean, doesn't everybody do it! - she what a hypocrite the public eye of the TV-cameras is, to expose just her?!

    (irony off)

    , @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    That is some serious addiction. It's not like they don't take plenty of recesses. This girl is insane.

  6. I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.

    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @theMann

    Depp is a Satanic douchebag, albeit a great actor. Look at his support for getting Damien Echols of the West Memphis 3 off. If you look at some of the Masonic/Satanic movies he has been involved with, it's not surprising. e.g. Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, From Hell, 9th Gate, it makes sense.

    What surprised me about the WM3 case was Peter Jackson's involvement, I would have thought that he would either have been smarter or that bringing about a great work like LOTR to the screen, doing it justice, would have been incompatible with getting a Satanic murderer off.

    But yeah, to the extent that Heard is really as bad as she might come off, they are probably made for each other.

    , @Thea
    @theMann

    Totally. If you’re going to dump Vanessa Paradis, at least pick a young, attractive non-basket case. French women tend to accept a discrete mistress here and there so he might’ve even kept her.

    The British press used to mock her in the early 90’s, at the height of her career, and she handled it with such class. No tantrums, no hysterics. Just confident in her beauty and talent.

    , @Spangel226
    @theMann

    When depp married her, I would have called heard one of the greatest natural beauties in the world.

    depp was a pretty man who loves a classically pretty face. He dated Winona, then Vanessa paridis and then amber heard- all women with a certain kind of symmetrical neotonous beauty. And as far as men go, depp was a guy with the same kind of face.

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints. Half the problem in that relationship was depp, who had issues with drunken rages long before she came along.

    I won’t say she doesn’t deserve at least some of the flack she is getting, but he doesn’t deserve the kind of obsessively devoted fandom he seems to have in the case.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara, @Jim Don Bob

    , @S. Anonyia
    @theMann

    It's not a mystery why he picked her, in her 20s and early 30s she was probably the most classically attractive woman in Hollywood. Judging by her high school photos, she also’s had minimal to no plastic surgery.

    I always thought it was odd she did not get more roles. Her acting isn't fantastic, but it was pretty interchangeable with a lot of weirder looking actresses around her age who got more work.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @James Speaks
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    If Medea was good enough for Jason, then Amber was right for Johhny. Seriously, I feel a Greek tragedy coming on. Oh Chorus, over here ...
    , @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Return of Shawn
    @theMann

    Amber Heard is strikingly beautiful. No homo, but her facial structure is the feminine equivalent of Depp's.

  7. I have not seen the analysis of Miss Scary Poppins’ character assassination yet. Does anybody know what really happened there? I thought the plan was she was going to wipe out unz dot com.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I have not seen the analysis of Miss Scary Poppins’ character assassination yet.
     
    Here ya go:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-central-park-birdwatcher-is-getting-paid/#comment-5350200 (#4)
  8. @Altai
    I find the Heard thing is actually very cathartic for women because they can finally point out the kind of female psychopaths whom they bare the brunt of in terms of interpersonal conflict and attack.

    Moreover the moment we're having as a culture is driven by insane female social aggression and politicking on social media, particularly young and adolescent kind. Women with BPD are in a way being exposed through Amber Heard.

    I doubt Depp is much better, these kinds of cluster B types are deeply attracted to each other. I keep seeing guys wonder how Davidson gets with all these attractive famous women despite being unattractive, dim and a stoner with serious mental health issues, albeit he is also rich and famous but these women have lots of rich and famous guys to pick from. What they like about Davidson is he is a turbo cluster B fuckup, a man diagnosed with BPD. These kinds of women who also have cluster B traits enjoy the drama and a psycho stuff, so much that they overlook his appearance and other deficits.

    People with BPD are prone to exactly this kind of insane purity spiraling and cancel culture stuff. What has changed is that social media has become not only the central forum for social and political commentary but that these types of people are powerusers who influence things significantly and then force adolescent conformist women with normal psychologies to adopt it. That's essentially what Tumblr was and Twitter has become Tumblr on a lag.

    The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it's already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @dearieme, @Sam Grisham, @Ben tillman

    “The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it’s already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.”

    Dingy chicks ruthlessly enforcing norms they just invented, being totally blind to their own flaws and outraged when others point out what self-absorbed hypocrites they are. That’s the West at the moment:

    • Agree: Thea
    • Thanks: HammerJack, Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Cagey Beast

    Nina was part of a cluster of American journalists and security state bureaucrats working for an outfit called Integrity Initiative. Chartered in Scotland, HQ'd in London, managed by MI6, and directly funded by by Steve's favorite institution, NATO. The Integrity Initiative was supposedly a quasi-journalistic endeavor tasked with the mission of countering Russian disinformation. In reality, the I.I. was a spook shop that dabbled in the internal affairs of NATO members -- to keep them on the UK/USA script. The I.I. was yet another NGO used as cover by MI6 and CIA. The fact that she was sent to Ukraine in 2019 to help Steve's favorite Slavic puppet of Davos Man speaks to her status as an agent of NATO skullduggery. Which is belied by her unhinged behavior on social media. It must be difficult for Gen X intelligence chiefs to keep their millennial and zoomer agents and officers from sabotaging themselves in a burst of narcissism on social media. For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  9. OT – the Florida State Seminoles Softball team, comprised of mostly tall attractive blondes (including one Sydney Sherrill, who might be the best 3rd baseman in NCAA D1 softball history) completely trounced the historically black Howard University 8 – 0 after 4 1/2 innings (slaughter rule applies after 4 innings if one team is up by 8 or more runs) in the 1st round of what is essentially the first round of the playoffs for the NCAA WCWS.

    • Replies: @diva
    @Mike Tre

    My husband and I are FSU alumni. Now I know why he's such a fan of our softball team. Thanks!

    , @No jack London
    @Mike Tre

    Compare the photos. Except for four, all Howard girls could pass, most are Ca Chicanas. FSU has more clearly authentic blacks on team.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  10. I don’t know about the sociological effects, but it’s a safe bet Amber will have generated considerable demand for some of the Amber hairstyles. “See this photo? Make me look like this.” Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing.

    • Replies: @Anonymouys
    @SafeNow

    "I don’t know about the sociological effects, but it’s a safe bet Amber will have generated considerable demand for some of the Amber hairstyles. “See this photo? Make me look like this.” Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing."
    Well I hope so!
    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/220516114326-amber-heard-051622-super-tease.jpg

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  11. @Anon
    It's not as if this culture is begging God for Armageddon or anything.

    Dear meteorite, faster please.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Tool wrote a song in 1996 called Aenima, where within the lyrics Maynard James Keenan calls for a giant earthquake to knock Los Angeles into the Ocean. Read the lyrics and decide if they are relative today:

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we’ll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Fret for your figure and
    Fret for your latte and
    Fret for your lawsuit and
    Fret for your hairpiece and
    Fret for your Prozac and
    Fret for your pilot and
    Fret for your contract and
    Fret for your car

    It’s a
    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Some say a comet will fall from the sky
    Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
    Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still
    Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip-shits

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we’ll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will because
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Silly shit, stupid shit . . .

    One great big festering neon distraction
    I’ve a suggestion to keep you all occupied

    Learn to swim

    Mom’s going to fix it all soon
    Mom’s coming around to put it back the way it ought to be

    Fuck L. Ron Hubbard and
    Fuck all his clones
    Fuck all those gun-toting
    Hip gangster wannabes
    Fuck retro anything
    Fuck your tattoos
    Fuck all you junkies and
    Fuck your short memory
    Fuck smiley glad-hands
    With hidden agendas
    Fuck these dysfunctional
    Insecure actresses

    Because I’m praying for mayhem
    And I’m praying for tidal waves
    I want to see the ground give way
    I want to watch it all go down
    Mom, please flush it all away
    I want to see it go right in and down
    I want to watch it go right in
    Watch you flush it all away

    Time to bring it down again
    Don’t just call me pessimist
    Try and read between the lines

    I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t
    Welcome any change, my friend

    I want to see it all come down
    Suck it down
    Flush it down

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Mike Tre

    I too immediately thought of this song when I read the original post. Then again, seems like I’ve been thinking about this song a lot lately.

  12. I predict that this is a thread in which Rosie and Mrs. Alden will simply not appear. The comments here will soon represent too high a concentration of the denizens here who are most equipped to sledgehammer away their dishonest ‘women can do no wrong’ schtick.

    Mr. Alden may comment about something unrelated, though.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Thomm

    Already commented about the two drama queens continuing their lunacy even after their divorce.

  13. @Cagey Beast
    https://twitter.com/LilMoonLambo/status/1522338412392587264?s=20&t=bcG2JbrtG_M_RfayUUJTWA

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JohnnyWalker123, @Dieter Kief, @AndrewR

    Well, it’s not as discreet as this, but business is business:

  14. Happily, this is a case where the villainess is the kind of women that many women openly hate, and nothing will sway them from that position. It’s an interesting phenomenon. Lorena Bobbitt wasn’t that kind of woman, and she got a lot of undeserved sympathy from women. Jody Arias was, and her claims of abuse fell on deaf female ears.

    I guess Depp’s off-the-charts sexiness to many women isn’t hurting him either.

  15. Since they brought brought up SNL…. It would be so easy and funny for SNL to lampoon woke culture. It’s like a \$100 laying on the sidewalk they keep passing by.

    Gen Z grew up liking Pirates more than Harry Potter. High school kids mock Heard mercilessly.

  16. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:

    My new nickname for Depp:

    “Edward Seize-her-hands”

  17. I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women. Only a year or two ago female sentiment, towards abuse accusations, was to believe the woman and disparage legal process. Now the mood of woman at the trial is one of protection of Johnny and hatred and contempt for his former wife. This trial is very public and I would like to think that the mood reflects a society that’s trying to be more grown up in dealing with modern gender conflicts.

    Other than that, not being much interested in movie stars, the trial put him on my radar and I was surprised to find out that Johnny Depp played Edward in Edward Scissor Hands and the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, movies I have enjoyed. While the trial shows his life to be a bit screwball, he nonetheless comes across as a genuinely good person and having a certain charisma. You characterize him as washed up, but I suspect, with the interest in him generated by the trial and his existing talent, his career may have future surprises in store.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @marco-polo

    Depp looks washed up in the courtroom. His outfits, whatever their cost, look ill-fitting and unfashionable. He could easily present a more dashing figure in court. I almost suspect it is intentional.

    , @Spangel226
    @marco-polo

    The evidence against heard is very simplistic, which is why people hate her. It is like the Ibram kendi level of trial evidence, which celeb worshippers can easily latch on to. It also makes heard look like a soap opera villain because she admits to hitting depp on audio and then says no one will believe him if he claims he’s the victim of domestic violence.

    While the evidence that heard is a headcase is cut and dry, folks did not seem to notice that heards evidence against the defamation aspect of her post article is some of the strongest evidence in the whole case. It may not be salacious, but the evidence was that Disney publicly announced that they were dropping depp from pirates two months before her post article was released. Then he lost the fantastic beasts role 2 years after her article. And they had a Disney producer exec for pirates testify that there was no reason to believe heards accusations had anything to do with depp losing the pirates role.

    So all in all, depp’s side has done nothing to show that heards article resulted in any material damages to him. We will see if the jury cares about that. Perhaps they too will be swayed by boiling hatred for amber because of the soap opera audio.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @Paul Mendez
    @marco-polo


    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women
     
    .

    Probably had crushes on him when they were tweens.
    , @ginger bread man
    @marco-polo

    His monologue about how he and amber met should win an Oscar.

  18. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    Depp is a Satanic douchebag, albeit a great actor. Look at his support for getting Damien Echols of the West Memphis 3 off. If you look at some of the Masonic/Satanic movies he has been involved with, it’s not surprising. e.g. Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, From Hell, 9th Gate, it makes sense.

    What surprised me about the WM3 case was Peter Jackson’s involvement, I would have thought that he would either have been smarter or that bringing about a great work like LOTR to the screen, doing it justice, would have been incompatible with getting a Satanic murderer off.

    But yeah, to the extent that Heard is really as bad as she might come off, they are probably made for each other.

  19. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    Totally. If you’re going to dump Vanessa Paradis, at least pick a young, attractive non-basket case. French women tend to accept a discrete mistress here and there so he might’ve even kept her.

    The British press used to mock her in the early 90’s, at the height of her career, and she handled it with such class. No tantrums, no hysterics. Just confident in her beauty and talent.

  20. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard. Without makeup, she’s an average blonde woman no one would look at twice who happens to have a very negative personality. It seems like those two men like a lot of drama in their lives.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7429551/Amber-Heard-goes-makeup-free-lawyers-office-amid-defamation-lawsuit-ex-Johnny-Depp.html

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Anon

    “ Without makeup, she’s an average blonde woman ”

    Lol no. Maybe an average blonde in a upper class sorority in 1970s Minnesota.

    https://susancushman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Tea-Girls-1024x745.jpg

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    Are you kidding me?


    How can you people not realize that her blonde hair is fake?

    Stop falling for the fake blonde scam. Her hlond hair is no more real than Johnny Depp's.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Bill

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Anon

    Wait till you see the average blonde without make-up and clothing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Anon


    It’s a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard.
     
    She gave him the most mindblowing sex of his life for 6-12 months and understood and used his mommy-insecurity issues to manipulate him for the rest.

    Top-level sociopath. This woman would have any man who fell for her charms begging for mercy.
  21. @Buffalo Joe
    Heard wins a $7 million divorce settlement, gives half away to a left leaning NGO, and she is the victim of the right. Seems to fit with current thinking that all things bad are the fault of the right.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    You apparently didn’t see the Columbian spitfire,Camille Vasquez,force Amber to admit that while she “pledged” 7 million,half to the ACLU,she didn’t actually donate a dime.

    The above “trope” said to describe Amber,(mentally unstable,hysterical etc.) seems pretty accurate. Yes,sometimes women are bad and may even do bad things. So hard for a feminist to comprehend.
    A quick look at a picture of Aja Romano,( probably named after the Steely Dan song) may give us a clue. Good Christ in Heaven!!😮Oh,the irony of this,this person defending Amber,who,at the tender age of 20,had a face that,remember the Chandler quip,could make an archbishop kick a hole in a stained glass window!
    Men may cheer the anti-Amberism on display,but something tells me if the litigant was say Mitch McConnell,it might go a different way.😉

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    I'm the last one that should be allowed to point out a misspelling, but she's Colombian and also Cuban. And that most definitely fits your description as a spitfire.

    Haven't followed a single word of this lawsuit, but all of the Administrative Assistants (women who used to be called "Secretaries" along with a couple of homosexuals who - not surprisingly - have homosexual bosses) at work talk endlessly about it every morning and then watch the lawsuit on their company iPhones in the afternoon after lunch (we're on the east coast). And they all hate Amber Heard which I found surprising.

    , @AndrewR
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    In Amber's defense, I wouldn't donate anything to the ACLU either

    , @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldlan


    It’s a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard.
     
    It must be really hard to find a woman for someone in his position, even assuming he's emotionally stable and a nice guy. Every woman who shows attention is out for something. Normal women, even if they are attracted to him, won't want the tabloid attention. You cannot meet people under normal conditions. Your movements are restricted. Generally actors and actresses, who are in the same boat, get together. But that really limits your selection.
  22. Johnny Depp’s finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski’s occult mystery The Ninth Gate. Frank Langella – who has troubles of his own at the moment – was excellent as an acolyte of Lucifer and manipulator of our hero, Johnny.
    What is it with Polanski and his fascination with the Devil . . ?

    • Agree: Humbert Humbert
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Right_On, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Right_On

    "Rosemary's Baby". Trailer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjpz

    In "The Ninth Gate," Polanski offered an interesting glimpse into how deeply embedded Occultism is in elite circles.

    Watch the below from 4:00-4:45. That really is what happens in elite circles in real life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrBIlZIBlo

    Read "The Vigilant Citizen" if you want to learn more about this fascinating topic.

    https://twitter.com/vigilantfeed/status/1522299587213594624

    , @BB753
    @Right_On

    One simple explanation is that he hung out with Frankist types during the war. It's a branch of Judaism that is antinomian and occultist.Later he would have met many satanists in Hollywood, where they still thrive.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

    , @Anon
    @Right_On


    Johnny Depp’s finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski’s occult mystery The Ninth Gate.
     
    Good movie, great score/soundtrack. The book is better, by a Spanish ex-television news reporter. He has a series about a swashbuckling swordsman, which I haven't read, but his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side and have mostly been translated into English.

    The recent book The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood is sort of a condensed triple biography of Polanski, Jack Nicholson, and Robert Evans, along with a making-of description of Chinatown and The Two Jakes. Quite interesting, and Polanski was interviewed for the book, along with Evans shortly before his death. Nicholson didn't talk. Dunaway asked for a percentage of the book revenue and had to be politely told that wasn't the way it worked in nonfiction publishing, which in any event is not that lucrative.

    Replies: @Right_On, @RAZ

  23. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    When depp married her, I would have called heard one of the greatest natural beauties in the world.

    depp was a pretty man who loves a classically pretty face. He dated Winona, then Vanessa paridis and then amber heard- all women with a certain kind of symmetrical neotonous beauty. And as far as men go, depp was a guy with the same kind of face.

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints. Half the problem in that relationship was depp, who had issues with drunken rages long before she came along.

    I won’t say she doesn’t deserve at least some of the flack she is getting, but he doesn’t deserve the kind of obsessively devoted fandom he seems to have in the case.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Spangel226


    neotonous beauty
     
    Amber heard does not have neotenous beauty. While she is good-looking, she has a hard, masculine look with a hard jawline.Teenage girl she does not come off as, more like a femme fatal (as Steve has put it) or a harder biker chick (if she had a bunch of tattoos). Its no wonder she's publicly bisexual.

    She probably would've been a better fit for Captain Marvel than the less-pretty Bree Larson, but again the script and the movie were trash, so she couldn't have saved it.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Spangel226

    Duplicate comment, please delete.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Spangel226


    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints.
     
    CDAN intimated that Musk was banging AH.
  24. Depp is a proven wife beater. To me he’s scum

    • Replies: @info
    @Meretricious

    A false accusation with no evidence.

  25. @Right_On
    Johnny Depp's finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski's occult mystery The Ninth Gate. Frank Langella - who has troubles of his own at the moment - was excellent as an acolyte of Lucifer and manipulator of our hero, Johnny.
    What is it with Polanski and his fascination with the Devil . . ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753, @Anon

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Steve Sailer

    Is that his excuse for raping children? Really?

    Meanwhile:


    That the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay)
     
    Heavily, or 100%. Wait a minute, are you calling these girls fat??

    https://i.ibb.co/nsSgkHG/Screenshot-20220512-040844-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg
    , @Right_On
    @Steve Sailer

    Rosemary's Baby and The Ninth Gate have too many lighthearted interludes for your 'cute' suggestion to be applicable. (Though Polanski's Macbeth, particularly the scene where Lady Macduff and her children are murdered, has been seen by some critics as influenced by the Manson slayings.)

    Hollywood just likes Old Nick as a character. On which, Eye of the Devil (1966) employed Alex Sanders (aka "Verbius"), an English occultist, to be a consultant. Sharon Tate, who played a leader of the coven, was given a crash course in all things Wiccan to make the rituals more authentic. She might have awakened Roman's interest.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @WJ

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Steve Sailer

    Well,it says his mom was sent to Auschwitz,along with her daughter Annette. If she was murdered,that is wantonly executed, as in," Bula,leave your shit and come with me," its interesting that her daughter survived.
    Or maybe the older woman was killed by disease,malnutrition, etc.
    Now,some say Bugliosi was a fraud and Manson was not guilty of murder.
    This is Joe Rogan stuff.
    So, I wonder if this is really true.
    Surely,the guy had some bad luck!

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Steve Sailer

    Charles Manson didn't murder Sharon Tate.

    Vincent Bugliosi was a lying sack of camel poop.

    And if George Bush had inadvertently killed Polanski's mom they would write it up as collateral damage.

  26. It’s really interesting how much of reporting is just one reporter telling other reporters what not to report.

    • Thanks: dearieme
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @aNewBanner

    Or, at the NYT, this bio:


    Ms. Bennett is a contributing editor in Opinion who writes on gender, politics and culture.
     
    Every page, every writer, every "editor" writes on gender, politics and culture. I'm surprised they don't describe who the contributor is sleeping with--the only way to distinguish amongst them...
  27. Yeah it’s been quite the spectacle. All the hardcore feminists I know are completely in the tank for Depp, for some reason. Not one of them is even slightly sympathetic to Heard. And these are all believe-all-women lefty feminists.

    My best guess is that there’s just something about Amber Heard that women instinctively find repulsive. For some reason she automatically sets off their “man-stealing hussy viper” alarms, even when they try to suppress it for feminist reasons.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Mr. Blank

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can't. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @David Jones, @Steve Sailer, @Dmon

    , @Muggles
    @Mr. Blank

    Though Wife and I are big weekly fans of the Real News tabloids (Globe, Enquirer) the Depp-Heard feud is One Step Beyond.

    In the tabs, the real fake news is often true. Namely that the much envied Hollywood pretties are mostly crazy. They often get quickly divorced and nothing said about them in those situations makes you want to emulate them or their romantic choices. Heard-Depp is just crazy-pretty with pointless rich dummy's lawsuits in the toxic mix.

    Yes, many are in fake relationships but many also get married, have kids and then discover their spouses are cheaters, crazy, evil, addicts/drunks, etc.

    Like in many things, people who are just too darned pretty can get away with way too much. People overlook their (sometimes) horrible personalities, addictive behavior or ongoing mental illnesses.

    For men, it can be Alpha Male envy. "Look I'm with the Prom Queen." Hot? Not long...

    For women, it can be a High Status fashion accessory. "My Guy is a Babe." Maybe something deeply genetic too. Mr. Alpha has to be pretty too. Our kids so gorgeous...

    So when Mr. and Mrs. Alpha have to live together, and wake up doing the normal couple things that make up real life, daily cohabitation might not be so cozy. These pretty people can (and will) stray at the drop of an eyelash, so fidelity or mistrust is a common concern.

    What I realized when young at some point was this, before you commit, take a month long grueling travel trip with many hardships and close quarters living. See America First! A few weeks camping, in cheap motels, cramped cars, buses, planes or trains with low rent living will teach you a lot about each other. That's a real life dip in the pond. Living with someone isn't Rom-Com fantasy. It is mostly the grubby reality of sharing stuff and listening to someone constantly you can't easily escape.

    That's a Pass-Fail experience our Heard-Depp beauty queens somehow missed.

    "Mama, don't let your babies to grow up to be celebrities..."

    , @Nodwink
    @Mr. Blank

    Heard has some female support, from the crazy blonde British TV host Rachel Riley. Riley is best mates with Heard's current girlfriend Eve Barlow, as both were part of the hysterical smear campaign by British Zionists against Jeremy Corbyn.

  28. @Emil Nikola Richard
    I have not seen the analysis of Miss Scary Poppins' character assassination yet. Does anybody know what really happened there? I thought the plan was she was going to wipe out unz dot com.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I have not seen the analysis of Miss Scary Poppins’ character assassination yet.

    Here ya go:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-central-park-birdwatcher-is-getting-paid/#comment-5350200 (#4)

  29. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Buffalo Joe

    You apparently didn't see the Columbian spitfire,Camille Vasquez,force Amber to admit that while she "pledged" 7 million,half to the ACLU,she didn't actually donate a dime.

    The above "trope" said to describe Amber,(mentally unstable,hysterical etc.) seems pretty accurate. Yes,sometimes women are bad and may even do bad things. So hard for a feminist to comprehend.
    A quick look at a picture of Aja Romano,( probably named after the Steely Dan song) may give us a clue. Good Christ in Heaven!!😮Oh,the irony of this,this person defending Amber,who,at the tender age of 20,had a face that,remember the Chandler quip,could make an archbishop kick a hole in a stained glass window!
    Men may cheer the anti-Amberism on display,but something tells me if the litigant was say Mitch McConnell,it might go a different way.😉

    Replies: @Bubba, @AndrewR, @Anon

    I’m the last one that should be allowed to point out a misspelling, but she’s Colombian and also Cuban. And that most definitely fits your description as a spitfire.

    Haven’t followed a single word of this lawsuit, but all of the Administrative Assistants (women who used to be called “Secretaries” along with a couple of homosexuals who – not surprisingly – have homosexual bosses) at work talk endlessly about it every morning and then watch the lawsuit on their company iPhones in the afternoon after lunch (we’re on the east coast). And they all hate Amber Heard which I found surprising.

  30. washed-up superstar Johnny “Pirates of the Caribbean” Depp

    I hope he’s okay…

    https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=6vg93h

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Right_On, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Is that his excuse for raping children? Really?

    Meanwhile:

    That the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay)

    Heavily, or 100%. Wait a minute, are you calling these girls fat??

    • LOL: neutral
  32. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, I know of at least one media outlet with a wide audience that’s slamming Depp. Not on the merits, they’re just saying that Depp Streisand-ed himself because on its own the Post story would have died without having much effect. It’s the #24-rated national radio show out of Sacramento, smart guys, but “libertarian” cucks who love anything that frees them from having to talk about race.

  33. Rank-and-file women are overwhelmingly siding with onetime heartthrob Johnny. But history is written by the elites, and so in 2032 two Queer Theory majors will make a documentary called “Breaking Amber” that laments the misogyny of it all.
    Jessica Bennett should stick to topics like women defecating at the office: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/style/women-poop-at-work.html

  34. @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Right_On, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Rosemary’s Baby and The Ninth Gate have too many lighthearted interludes for your ‘cute’ suggestion to be applicable. (Though Polanski’s Macbeth, particularly the scene where Lady Macduff and her children are murdered, has been seen by some critics as influenced by the Manson slayings.)

    Hollywood just likes Old Nick as a character. On which, Eye of the Devil (1966) employed Alex Sanders (aka “Verbius”), an English occultist, to be a consultant. Sharon Tate, who played a leader of the coven, was given a crash course in all things Wiccan to make the rituals more authentic. She might have awakened Roman’s interest.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    People who direct or star in a memorable movie often aren't just talented professionals. Instead, their biggest hit tapped something inside of them.

    And then they develop that aspect of themselves that was uncovered. In "Ed Wood," for instance, Martin Landau plays an elderly Bela Lugosi who is sort of turning into Dracula after all these years of playing him.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @WJ
    @Right_On

    I dont know about his Satanic influences but I do know that Chinatown was a contrived piece of junk. Boring and tiresome. It's really interesting what passes for high art in Hollywood. Not to be a movie snob but the Brits were so much better.

  35. I have not been paying close attention. I thought the testimony of psychologist who diagnosed Heard with two conditions and that she flat out lied about paying all charity money meant she was the one with biggest problems. But then the most recent testimony of his old agent and Ellen Barkin puts Depp in a very bad light.

    I do not know. I do not know if we will ever know.

    Often the passage of time is revealing but sometimes not. I still don’t know who was lying: Anita Hill or Justice Thomas. I figured if he made nasty comments to her, he did to other women too (not necessarily at work) but no one else has ever said boo about him, on or off the job. That his wife Ginny feels free to use his position to her own advantage, engages in very partisan politics and called Anita Hill to ask her to “confess” are all negatives that speak poorly of him in my eyes but have nothing to do with the unanswered he said/she said question.

    The older I get, the more I dislike these he said/she said situations where you just can never know.

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court. That is pretty intolerable as an idea yet the Thomas situation has been going on for more than a generation. I would never want to be a juror on a case where you just didn’t know. How do you live knowing you were a liar and hurt people or lied against and not believed for decades? I sure hope nobody I know ever has to find out.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @notsaying

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court.

    Who might the rapist be?

    Replies: @notsaying

    , @Forbes
    @notsaying


    I do not know.
     
    Yes, that we do know.
  36. @notsaying
    I have not been paying close attention. I thought the testimony of psychologist who diagnosed Heard with two conditions and that she flat out lied about paying all charity money meant she was the one with biggest problems. But then the most recent testimony of his old agent and Ellen Barkin puts Depp in a very bad light.

    I do not know. I do not know if we will ever know.

    Often the passage of time is revealing but sometimes not. I still don't know who was lying: Anita Hill or Justice Thomas. I figured if he made nasty comments to her, he did to other women too (not necessarily at work) but no one else has ever said boo about him, on or off the job. That his wife Ginny feels free to use his position to her own advantage, engages in very partisan politics and called Anita Hill to ask her to "confess" are all negatives that speak poorly of him in my eyes but have nothing to do with the unanswered he said/she said question.

    The older I get, the more I dislike these he said/she said situations where you just can never know.

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court. That is pretty intolerable as an idea yet the Thomas situation has been going on for more than a generation. I would never want to be a juror on a case where you just didn't know. How do you live knowing you were a liar and hurt people or lied against and not believed for decades? I sure hope nobody I know ever has to find out.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Forbes

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court.

    Who might the rapist be?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @notsaying
    @JimDandy

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @dearieme, @JimDandy, @Ben tillman

  37. If women like Amber Heard and Meghan Markle did not exist, then bitter MGTOW incels would have to invent them.

  38. I want to see Amber Heard go all-Joe Pesci and ask: “Do I entertain you?” And America’s answer would be: Not when we had to pay to see you in the movie theater, but this free stuff is great!

    Nice lines, iSteve.

    These hysterics think that overly earnest Christians in khakis and blazers along with neurodiverse gamers are the extreme right? If they did field service with the Azov Battalion for a few weeks they’d come back loving the American right.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  39. @Anon
    It's a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard. Without makeup, she's an average blonde woman no one would look at twice who happens to have a very negative personality. It seems like those two men like a lot of drama in their lives.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7429551/Amber-Heard-goes-makeup-free-lawyers-office-amid-defamation-lawsuit-ex-Johnny-Depp.html

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anon, @Henry's Cat, @R.G. Camara

    “ Without makeup, she’s an average blonde woman ”

    Lol no. Maybe an average blonde in a upper class sorority in 1970s Minnesota.

  40. Time for my Johnny Depp story. He was in a show called 21 Jump Street. Look him up from that time, probably one of the most attractive men of our age.

    Anyway he came to my home town to film Benny and Joon. My now wife and her girlfriend went down to filming locations everyday. Finally got a chance to meet the good man and get a picture. Her friend is absolutely beaming in the picture! While my wife looks dejected, lol. Depp is generously listed at 5’9” no way he’s over 5’7”. My wife is 5’10” and she’s towering over him in the pic.

    Never meet your celebrity crush.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ATate

    Leading men in 1939 tended to be quite tall and manly, although the very tall Jimmy Stewart was boyish. The last generation of leading men tended to be shorter and boyish. Don't know why. Maybe just small sample sizes.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    , @Brutusale
    @ATate

    Following the Boston Marathon bombing, it seemed that most of the Hollywood stars filming in the area would come to visit the survivors. A few of the survivors were my girlfriend's patients. She said that none of the male stars who visited (she has photos of herself with the likes of Bradley Cooper and He Who Can't Be Named, Kevin Spacey) could look her in the eye.

  41. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    It’s not a mystery why he picked her, in her 20s and early 30s she was probably the most classically attractive woman in Hollywood. Judging by her high school photos, she also’s had minimal to no plastic surgery.

    I always thought it was odd she did not get more roles. Her acting isn’t fantastic, but it was pretty interchangeable with a lot of weirder looking actresses around her age who got more work.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren't exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Return of Shawn, @aNewBanner

  42. I was surprised that Depp was winning in the court of public opinion. I’ve always taken his side in the fiasco with Heard though not without the realization Depp has serious problems of his own. Also not in his favor, Heard looked like a younger version of Paradis: annoying as hell for a woman to be traded in for a newer model like she’s a sports car. Looks like Depp prefers blondes, a few more points off for that, obviously. Overall, Heard comes across as high maintenance that degenerates into malignant narcissist under certain conditions and I find her easy to dislike which doesn’t necessarily mean anything. To be fair, this was probably an unfortunate pairing which brought out the worst in both of them. To be even more fair, one or both should have realized this by now and stopped fighting.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Unintended Consequence

    "I was surprised that Depp was winning in the court of public opinion." - It is astroturfed. It was bought. Thousands of bots and trolls tagged to clips from the trial on YT and on twitter that are constantly published from new accounts..

    The same was during 2020 trial in London:


    Trolls, tweets and famous friends: the vicious PR war between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jul/26/trolls-tweets-and-famous-friends-the-vicious-pr-war-between-johnny-depp-and-amber-heard

    "and deployed thousands of genuine fans around the world, as well as what Heard’s side now allege was a phalanx of cyberbots, edited video clips and dubious Twitter accounts. It has the hallmarks of a public relations surge; if it is, then it may be the biggest attempt yet to shore up a high profile reputation. This weekend a report by Bot Sentinel, a group that uses artificial intelligence to detect and track troll bots and allegedly untrustworthy Twitter accounts, has been made public that exposes the use of an autonomous bot which posted the phrase “Fire her from all her rolls[sic] blacklist this crazy liar”, while another read “I am starting a petition. To get Amber Heard blacklisted from Hollywood!”"
     
  43. @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Right_On, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well,it says his mom was sent to Auschwitz,along with her daughter Annette. If she was murdered,that is wantonly executed, as in,” Bula,leave your shit and come with me,” its interesting that her daughter survived.
    Or maybe the older woman was killed by disease,malnutrition, etc.
    Now,some say Bugliosi was a fraud and Manson was not guilty of murder.
    This is Joe Rogan stuff.
    So, I wonder if this is really true.
    Surely,the guy had some bad luck!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldlan


    its interesting that her daughter survived.
     
    Not really. My father and 2 of his brothers and a few of people in his generation (teens to 20s) survived German concentration camps but his parents and most of the people in his parent's generation didn't. Aside from death by disease, malnutrition, etc. (certainly a big factor), when you arrived at Auschwitz (Birkenau) there was a selection - the people who looked fit for labor were kept and the rest went straight to the gas chamber. The wiki says that his mother was killed "soon after arriving" which indicates that she did not survive the selection process.
  44. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    If Medea was good enough for Jason, then Amber was right for Johhny. Seriously, I feel a Greek tragedy coming on. Oh Chorus, over here …

  45. @marco-polo
    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women. Only a year or two ago female sentiment, towards abuse accusations, was to believe the woman and disparage legal process. Now the mood of woman at the trial is one of protection of Johnny and hatred and contempt for his former wife. This trial is very public and I would like to think that the mood reflects a society that's trying to be more grown up in dealing with modern gender conflicts.

    Other than that, not being much interested in movie stars, the trial put him on my radar and I was surprised to find out that Johnny Depp played Edward in Edward Scissor Hands and the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, movies I have enjoyed. While the trial shows his life to be a bit screwball, he nonetheless comes across as a genuinely good person and having a certain charisma. You characterize him as washed up, but I suspect, with the interest in him generated by the trial and his existing talent, his career may have future surprises in store.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Spangel226, @Paul Mendez, @ginger bread man

    Depp looks washed up in the courtroom. His outfits, whatever their cost, look ill-fitting and unfashionable. He could easily present a more dashing figure in court. I almost suspect it is intentional.

    • Agree: bomag
  46. Amber did say that she was the only one of the couple who gave a shit during the relationship…

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
  47. The “Wagatha Christie” Vardy vs Rooney trial has everything: two high-profile WAGs (usually reserved for Wives And Girlfriends of English footballers) in full-on barrister a barrister struggle over social media bad-mouthing and bitching. The media title derives from the defendant Mrs Rooney having assumed the role of Miss Marple in an effort to track down and unmask the “friend” who was enabling the media to access details of her “private life.” In the classic tradition, Mrs Rooney’s counsel has cited a 1722 case involving a chimneysweep and a crooked jeweller…

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/19/rebekah-vardy-subjected-to-ridicule-on-a-massive-scale-libel-trial-told

    (A friend based in the USA has been underwhelmed by the quality of witness examination in the Depp-Heard case.)

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Cortes

    Was a time when courts tried to blunt public discussion of ongoing cases; gag orders on newspapers and others; instructions not to discuss ongoing cases outside the courtroom; etc.

    We have swung to the other extreme.

  48. 10 shot 1 killed outside a Hookah Lounge in San Bernardino Co California.

    Media won’t reveal race or name the business.

    Twitter provides the name: “Tha Blu Flame.” It’s a Black club of course.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Pixo


    10 shot 1 killed outside a Hookah Lounge in San Bernardino Co California.
     
    I guess smoking really IS bad for you

    Twitter provides the name: “Tha Blu Flame.” It’s a Black club of course.
     
    "Hooty Hoo! Hooty Hoo!"

    "Some khoons got shot in San Berdoo!"

    "What to do? What to do?"

    "Blame White folks 'fore the day is through!"
  49. OT: New York’s newly appointed Lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado keeps emphasizing his “Afro Latino” heritage. It turns out that the second part of that probably isn’t true. His name is Portuguese, from Cape Verde, not Spanish. Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,

    • Replies: @Alden
    @prosa123

    Affirmative Action useless cop now Mayor Adams of New York City considering running for president in 2024. Jews will use their money expertise and ballot printing to put him in. NYC has been the crown jewel of all the Jewish run cities in the world. It’s their city, and even though it’s not a sub human goyim city they still can’t help destroying it.

    , @EdwardM
    @prosa123

    Lieutenant Governor of New York, the #1 job in America for upward mobility. Yet they still keep picking the usual grifters.

    , @fish
    @prosa123

    Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,


    Yeah....mine too.....or Irish or something.

  50. This is all Heardsay until we read the Depposition.

    • LOL: Alden, R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    People lie in depositions too. 3 sides to every story; his, hers and the truth. He sued her first. Just like Oscar Wilde sued Queensberry. Hope it doesn’t turn out like Oscar Wilde ‘s lawsuit.

    Both want the publicity. YouTube is full of Depp vs Heard.

  51. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    All the ladies suffering from histrionic personality disorder, and all the guys who are alcoholics tend to think they’re special. They think they’re far smarter, more clever than the average histrionic or alcoholic, but they’re ALL the same. They believe they’ve got the key to being a successful histrionic, narcissist, sociopath, alcoholic, etc.

    All are fundamentally repetitive bores. The only interesting aspect to them personally is the depths of their wretchedness. They answer the question the less afflicted, less wretched, ask ourselves, “how low can two people go? How much mutual scab-picking can we do, before we bleed to death?”

    The histrionic and the alcoholic help us answer that question.

    Turns out, it’s repetitive, uncreative, not clever, and… boring. They perpetually create lowbrow spectacle, because deep down… they got nothing:

    • Agree: utu, ATate, ATate
  52. I don’t like celebrity culture but saw a brief segment because Red Ice talked about it along with real news. The glimpse I saw explains everything. Think Trump debating Rubio. Depp navigating courtroom procedural language restrictions (“Let me guess: I can’t say that”): alpha-amused with aplomb, smirkingly savagely satirical without the least suggestion of negativity. Heard turned in a Lifetime Movie of the Week frightened wife performance, which every woman has seen, in life and on Lifetime, a million times. Nobody likes the frightened wife, if you’re going that route they’d rather see Natasha Henstridge. Alpha don’t care. Alpha is frolicking in the snow.
    ————-
    OT: here and in London, inept elites
    Rishi Sunak spends £500,000 of taxpayers’ cash on focus groups ‘to repair his image’
    Two focus groups and one online poll each week until February 2023 will take the total outlay to above £1.35m
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-focus-groups-rayner-b2084297.html

  53. I think Amber heard reneged on the promised donation to ACLU. More money for the minions of Satan. I never heard of her till she divorced Depp .

    Life in Los Angeles. The women’s shoe manager in the Beverly Hills expensive store Saks Fifth Avenue on Wilshire was badly beaten up in the store parking lot. Not robbed, just beaten up by young blacks 5’8 thin White man in his late 50s. Off work for 3 weeks recovering.

    The City of BH convinced metro transit to remove the bus benches in BH years ago. To keep homeless deranged derelicts from roosting in them all day.
    But the bus benches are coming back because it’s mean to not allow deranged derelicts to occupy the main streets . Regular passengers can’t sit on the benches anyway because the homeless won’t let them.

    Naive 4th generation suburbanites meet big city reality.

    A friend’s hobby is photography, architectural photography his favorite. Always going to down town Los Angeles because there are so many beautiful old buildings there. Every Saturday he leads a photography group around downtown Los Angeles. . Most of his students are Whites whose grandparents fled the cities in 1950. Lots of creeps pervs and homeless downtown The suburbanites are scared of the creeps. One on the men carries a sick full of golf balls. I’m sure the suburbanites are all ardent democrats who want to defund the police and donate to BLM ACLU and ADL.

    Today the suburban White liberals had the ultimate Urban experience experience. The group was in historic MacArthur Park, built a hundred or more years ago as the center of a very wealthy neighborhood. 8, 10 and 12 room splendid apartments. The kind you see in movies about very rich people in New York and London . Well, that was about 120 years ago.

    Now the MacArthur Park neighborhood is an overcrowded Hispanic illegal slum. Most of them live in apartments. Most of the black and White deranged derelicts live in the park. So today the photography group was in historic MaCArthur Park. Man sleeping in front of the building they were taking pictures. Then along cane police carrying a blanket. The man was dead, not just sleeping he was dead. Suburbanites shocked and horrified. I keep telling my friend he should start a blog or at least starting commenting on sites like UNZ and amren.

    Saturday adventures in photography.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Thanks: David In TN
  54. @Reg Cæsar
    This is all Heardsay until we read the Depposition.

    Replies: @Alden

    People lie in depositions too. 3 sides to every story; his, hers and the truth. He sued her first. Just like Oscar Wilde sued Queensberry. Hope it doesn’t turn out like Oscar Wilde ‘s lawsuit.

    Both want the publicity. YouTube is full of Depp vs Heard.

  55. @prosa123
    OT: New York's newly appointed Lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado keeps emphasizing his "Afro Latino" heritage. It turns out that the second part of that probably isn't true. His name is Portuguese, from Cape Verde, not Spanish. Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,

    Replies: @Alden, @EdwardM, @fish

    Affirmative Action useless cop now Mayor Adams of New York City considering running for president in 2024. Jews will use their money expertise and ballot printing to put him in. NYC has been the crown jewel of all the Jewish run cities in the world. It’s their city, and even though it’s not a sub human goyim city they still can’t help destroying it.

  56. Roger says: • Website

    I do not see how Depp can collect damages, because (1) the defamatory article did not mention him by name and was carefully reviewed by lawyers; (2) Depp’s character faults are on full display; and (3) the jury cannot be sure that Heard is lying.

    Nevertheless, it does appear that Depp is winning in the court of public opinion. Maybe this is the case to convince people that vague unsubstantiated MeToo accusations should be disregarded.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  57. @prosa123
    OT: New York's newly appointed Lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado keeps emphasizing his "Afro Latino" heritage. It turns out that the second part of that probably isn't true. His name is Portuguese, from Cape Verde, not Spanish. Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,

    Replies: @Alden, @EdwardM, @fish

    Lieutenant Governor of New York, the #1 job in America for upward mobility. Yet they still keep picking the usual grifters.

  58. @S. Anonyia
    @theMann

    It's not a mystery why he picked her, in her 20s and early 30s she was probably the most classically attractive woman in Hollywood. Judging by her high school photos, she also’s had minimal to no plastic surgery.

    I always thought it was odd she did not get more roles. Her acting isn't fantastic, but it was pretty interchangeable with a lot of weirder looking actresses around her age who got more work.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren’t exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw?
     
    Top 5 Best Beauty Marks


    https://venicemagftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Venice-Magazine-Fort-Lauderdale-Cindy-Crawford-Model-Memoir-Becoming-2.jpg
    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Supposedly the reason the 10/10 actress category was canceled was decisive female audiences not wanting to see them.

    , @Return of Shawn
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe Heard shouldn't have gotten that nose job. Her new nose is an improvement but her old nose didn't look bad.

    Apparently Brad Pitt went under the knife, getting his ears pinned.

    , @aNewBanner
    @Steve Sailer

    It helps them to be memorable. Scarlett Johansson is chubby for a Hollywood actress, though not for a standard American woman. Jennifer Lawrence regularly makes a fool of herself. Anne Hathaway has a mouth that’s too big for her face. Julia Roberts is toothy.

    As a husband, my wife can mention Keira Knightley in a conversation, and I can remark about how skinny and underfed she looks, whereas, if she had mentioned Jessica Alba, I would just need to stare at her uncomfortably.

    Replies: @S Johnson

  59. @ATate
    Time for my Johnny Depp story. He was in a show called 21 Jump Street. Look him up from that time, probably one of the most attractive men of our age.

    Anyway he came to my home town to film Benny and Joon. My now wife and her girlfriend went down to filming locations everyday. Finally got a chance to meet the good man and get a picture. Her friend is absolutely beaming in the picture! While my wife looks dejected, lol. Depp is generously listed at 5’9” no way he’s over 5’7”. My wife is 5’10” and she’s towering over him in the pic.

    Never meet your celebrity crush.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    Leading men in 1939 tended to be quite tall and manly, although the very tall Jimmy Stewart was boyish. The last generation of leading men tended to be shorter and boyish. Don’t know why. Maybe just small sample sizes.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Steve Sailer

    Lower T levels across the board.

    And it isn’t just actors. Look at journalists of that earlier era, artists, authors. They all had to mingle with the masses as they rose in their professions. Now the precious cultural elites go from acting school to casting call, or j school to Twitter warrior, without ever having been tested, or produced much of quality.

    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/estrogen-in-waterways/
    Same reason the frogs are gay. You were warned and you're still not filtering the water or dropping the I. Manufactured famine inbound, a generation of American men will be shorter and weaker.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm sure it has nothing to do with the efforts to feminize men in general.

  60. @Mike Tre
    OT - the Florida State Seminoles Softball team, comprised of mostly tall attractive blondes (including one Sydney Sherrill, who might be the best 3rd baseman in NCAA D1 softball history) completely trounced the historically black Howard University 8 - 0 after 4 1/2 innings (slaughter rule applies after 4 innings if one team is up by 8 or more runs) in the 1st round of what is essentially the first round of the playoffs for the NCAA WCWS.

    https://youtu.be/cAUCvzylEvM

    Replies: @diva, @No jack London

    My husband and I are FSU alumni. Now I know why he’s such a fan of our softball team. Thanks!

  61. @Cagey Beast
    https://twitter.com/LilMoonLambo/status/1522338412392587264?s=20&t=bcG2JbrtG_M_RfayUUJTWA

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JohnnyWalker123, @Dieter Kief, @AndrewR

    Damn!

  62. utu says:
    @Unintended Consequence
    I was surprised that Depp was winning in the court of public opinion. I've always taken his side in the fiasco with Heard though not without the realization Depp has serious problems of his own. Also not in his favor, Heard looked like a younger version of Paradis: annoying as hell for a woman to be traded in for a newer model like she's a sports car. Looks like Depp prefers blondes, a few more points off for that, obviously. Overall, Heard comes across as high maintenance that degenerates into malignant narcissist under certain conditions and I find her easy to dislike which doesn't necessarily mean anything. To be fair, this was probably an unfortunate pairing which brought out the worst in both of them. To be even more fair, one or both should have realized this by now and stopped fighting.

    Replies: @utu

    “I was surprised that Depp was winning in the court of public opinion.” – It is astroturfed. It was bought. Thousands of bots and trolls tagged to clips from the trial on YT and on twitter that are constantly published from new accounts..

    The same was during 2020 trial in London:

    Trolls, tweets and famous friends: the vicious PR war between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jul/26/trolls-tweets-and-famous-friends-the-vicious-pr-war-between-johnny-depp-and-amber-heard

    “and deployed thousands of genuine fans around the world, as well as what Heard’s side now allege was a phalanx of cyberbots, edited video clips and dubious Twitter accounts. It has the hallmarks of a public relations surge; if it is, then it may be the biggest attempt yet to shore up a high profile reputation. This weekend a report by Bot Sentinel, a group that uses artificial intelligence to detect and track troll bots and allegedly untrustworthy Twitter accounts, has been made public that exposes the use of an autonomous bot which posted the phrase “Fire her from all her rolls[sic] blacklist this crazy liar”, while another read “I am starting a petition. To get Amber Heard blacklisted from Hollywood!””

    • Agree: Alden
  63. OT but why is the NYTimes today leading with 200-year-old news from Haiti?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @International Jew

    "It's not a sh*thole because it's full of Haitians!", IJ.

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @ATate

    Leading men in 1939 tended to be quite tall and manly, although the very tall Jimmy Stewart was boyish. The last generation of leading men tended to be shorter and boyish. Don't know why. Maybe just small sample sizes.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    Lower T levels across the board.

    And it isn’t just actors. Look at journalists of that earlier era, artists, authors. They all had to mingle with the masses as they rose in their professions. Now the precious cultural elites go from acting school to casting call, or j school to Twitter warrior, without ever having been tested, or produced much of quality.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  65. @JimDandy
    @notsaying

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court.

    Who might the rapist be?

    Replies: @notsaying

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist."

    His accuser didn't claim she was raped. Even attempted rape would be a stretch.

    , @dearieme
    @notsaying

    I must say I don't like the cut of Kavanaugh's jib. But his accuser came across as deranged.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @JimDandy
    @notsaying

    Which accuser are you speaking of? The serial liar who claimed that he briefly drunkenly wrestled with her at a party in high school? Or the ludicrous creature the now-disgraced Michael Avenatti pushed on us until she essentially recanted on NBC news?

    , @Ben tillman
    @notsaying

    His “accuser” didn’t even *accuse* him of rape.

    And she was certainly lying. She was just trolling everyone; it was just an adventure to see what she could get away with. The lies about the second front door, the lies about a fear of flying, and the request that she testify after Kavanaugh prove that conclusively.

    Moreover, there is no chance that a sober victim of what she claimed to experience would not remember how she got home or tell anyone about what happened.

  66. Court of public opinion doesn’t matter. The jury will decide for either plaintiff or respondent / defendant.

    As for following People Magazine celebrities’ divorces and post divorce drama displays. It’s just not done.

  67. @Right_On
    @Steve Sailer

    Rosemary's Baby and The Ninth Gate have too many lighthearted interludes for your 'cute' suggestion to be applicable. (Though Polanski's Macbeth, particularly the scene where Lady Macduff and her children are murdered, has been seen by some critics as influenced by the Manson slayings.)

    Hollywood just likes Old Nick as a character. On which, Eye of the Devil (1966) employed Alex Sanders (aka "Verbius"), an English occultist, to be a consultant. Sharon Tate, who played a leader of the coven, was given a crash course in all things Wiccan to make the rituals more authentic. She might have awakened Roman's interest.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @WJ

    People who direct or star in a memorable movie often aren’t just talented professionals. Instead, their biggest hit tapped something inside of them.

    And then they develop that aspect of themselves that was uncovered. In “Ed Wood,” for instance, Martin Landau plays an elderly Bela Lugosi who is sort of turning into Dracula after all these years of playing him.

    • Thanks: Right_On
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought Ed Wood was Depp's best film. The others he made were underwhelming.

  68. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren't exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Return of Shawn, @aNewBanner

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw?

    Top 5 Best Beauty Marks

  69. Yeah, Johnny Depp is totally an innocent man.

  70. That the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) is not mindlessly rooting for Amber Heard as a member of Team Women like they are supposed to, but is instead listening carefully and deciding between two individuals, is driving the gatekeepers nuts.

    Yes, for whatever reason, the Depp/Heard legal squabble seems strangely disconnected from the usual wokeness and PC vibes that come out of Hollywood. I place very little value on all of this, however. They’re just a couple of wealthy losers who ultimately deserved each other, even if only for a couple of unhappy years of marriage.

    As is often the case with these highly publicized celebrity disputes, it’s my impression that I’m not really paying much attention to it, yet I’m surprised that I know as much about it as I do. The story is everywhere. It’s yet another case of useless information pursuing the public rather than the public pursuing useless information. I’d never even heard of Amber Heard (no pun intended) before this trial…and Johnny Depp is on people’s radar again… so maybe that’s the point of all of this (?)

    BTW, how many weeks has this trial been going on? Why do they deserve a longer trial than Derek Chauvin?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @J1234


    Why do they deserve a longer trial than Derek Chauvin?
     
    Stalin's trials did not take long. Justice can be streamlined, when the verdict has been decided beforehand. You only need go as long as you need for appearances/proper messaging.
  71. @Mr. Blank
    Yeah it’s been quite the spectacle. All the hardcore feminists I know are completely in the tank for Depp, for some reason. Not one of them is even slightly sympathetic to Heard. And these are all believe-all-women lefty feminists.

    My best guess is that there’s just something about Amber Heard that women instinctively find repulsive. For some reason she automatically sets off their “man-stealing hussy viper” alarms, even when they try to suppress it for feminist reasons.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Muggles, @Nodwink

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can’t. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Prof. Woland


    I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch.
     
    During recuperation from my 2nd Covid, I was too exhausted to do anything, so I watched various low-IQ entertaining YT videos. Many of them were from the so-called manosphere, I guess 50-70 of them. I've read many comments, too.

    My impression was: most men, with just a few exceptions, are incurable romantics. They may be, if they can, promiscuous in some segments of their lives, but want their woman in the house, queen of their hearts.

    Most men are Dante in search of Beatrice. Sounds preposterous, but .....

    Replies: @Moses

    , @David Jones
    @Prof. Woland

    Better that weirdos only make two people unhappy instead of four

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Prof. Woland

    "I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit"

    Starlet, although I like "starlit."

    Johnny Depp really likes being a Movie Star, which is why he has money troubles. He's kind of the anti-Matt Damon. It's hard for a big name these days to not make enough money to cover expenses, you have to spend at a Nicolas Cage level (Nic is a Coppola so he wants every moment of his life to be magnificent), but Depp is one of the rare legends who manages.

    Johnny likes living large. For example, you'll notice that the top two or three actors in a movie will have their personal assistants listed in the credits. A few superstars will have two personal assistants. Depp had three personal assistants listed.

    A decade ago, Amber Heard looked like the proper consort for a Johnny Depp level superstar.

    The Depp abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that, knowin' he's out there. The Depp. Wasting his money for all us sinners.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MGB

    , @Dmon
    @Prof. Woland

    Men like Depp don't go after attractive women without fame or money because of Michelle Triola and palimony. As Lee Marvin said ruefully, "Never shack up with someone who gets lower billing than you do". Also, any non-famous attractive woman who happens to turn up somewhere where Johnny Depp is present is more than likely a shakedown artist.

  72. …you can successfully push whatever media narrative you want into the mainstream.

    They wish.

  73. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Buffalo Joe

    You apparently didn't see the Columbian spitfire,Camille Vasquez,force Amber to admit that while she "pledged" 7 million,half to the ACLU,she didn't actually donate a dime.

    The above "trope" said to describe Amber,(mentally unstable,hysterical etc.) seems pretty accurate. Yes,sometimes women are bad and may even do bad things. So hard for a feminist to comprehend.
    A quick look at a picture of Aja Romano,( probably named after the Steely Dan song) may give us a clue. Good Christ in Heaven!!😮Oh,the irony of this,this person defending Amber,who,at the tender age of 20,had a face that,remember the Chandler quip,could make an archbishop kick a hole in a stained glass window!
    Men may cheer the anti-Amberism on display,but something tells me if the litigant was say Mitch McConnell,it might go a different way.😉

    Replies: @Bubba, @AndrewR, @Anon

    In Amber’s defense, I wouldn’t donate anything to the ACLU either

  74. @Spangel226
    @theMann

    When depp married her, I would have called heard one of the greatest natural beauties in the world.

    depp was a pretty man who loves a classically pretty face. He dated Winona, then Vanessa paridis and then amber heard- all women with a certain kind of symmetrical neotonous beauty. And as far as men go, depp was a guy with the same kind of face.

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints. Half the problem in that relationship was depp, who had issues with drunken rages long before she came along.

    I won’t say she doesn’t deserve at least some of the flack she is getting, but he doesn’t deserve the kind of obsessively devoted fandom he seems to have in the case.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara, @Jim Don Bob

    neotonous beauty

    Amber heard does not have neotenous beauty. While she is good-looking, she has a hard, masculine look with a hard jawline.Teenage girl she does not come off as, more like a femme fatal (as Steve has put it) or a harder biker chick (if she had a bunch of tattoos). Its no wonder she’s publicly bisexual.

    She probably would’ve been a better fit for Captain Marvel than the less-pretty Bree Larson, but again the script and the movie were trash, so she couldn’t have saved it.

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @R.G. Camara

    She does have that jaw, it’s true. Maybe that hint of masculinity gives her extra sex appeal. It’s like the more purely feminine neotonous faces like Winona are more strikingly pretty but less sexy overall. While pretty faces with a strong jaw, like heards and Angelia Jolie, end up with a more vulgar kind of sex appeal. But apart from heards jaw, her face looks feminine.

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @R.G. Camara

    Agree totally.

    Heard clearly has that kind angular chiseled look you get from females whose Testosterone/Estrogen ratio is "off."

    Is physiognomy real? You bet it is.

    You look at her, and you think, "wow, in the sack it must be an earthquake level experience." She's the sort you should only take a dip in, as James Franco apparently did.

    It's always hazardous to take psychologists seriously, but the bits I heard of Depp's psychologist's profile of Heard, Heard has serious abandonment issues. Again, when your sex drive is through the roof, and handsome guys are easy to come by, and they pump and dump because they recognize that you are "off"...well it exacerbates the inherent craziness.

    Because with all that pretzel twisting in the sack comes the vacillating drama that is made even worse by the obvious BPD, which, like a lot of things biological, is either causally or correlatively linked to this hormonal imbalance.

    Those who diss her "attractiveness" should look at her figure. It's pretty good.

  75. @Spangel226
    @theMann

    When depp married her, I would have called heard one of the greatest natural beauties in the world.

    depp was a pretty man who loves a classically pretty face. He dated Winona, then Vanessa paridis and then amber heard- all women with a certain kind of symmetrical neotonous beauty. And as far as men go, depp was a guy with the same kind of face.

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints. Half the problem in that relationship was depp, who had issues with drunken rages long before she came along.

    I won’t say she doesn’t deserve at least some of the flack she is getting, but he doesn’t deserve the kind of obsessively devoted fandom he seems to have in the case.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara, @Jim Don Bob

    Duplicate comment, please delete.

  76. In contrast, Ms. Heard’s movie career has never caught on with audiences, although she’s often been cast in promising roles. It’s almost as if she’s a better actress in private than in public. Or perhaps her career has suffered from the 21st Century’s push for You Go Girl feminism, which has pretty much wiped out the femme fatale roles that, judging by her well-publicized private life, she might have been born to play.

    Agreed.

    One movie Heard did play a near-femme fatale role is the over-the-top B-movie Eurotrash action movie Three Days to Kill, starring Kevin Costner in one of those middle-aged-man-kicking-ass roles that Liam Neeson revived. Also directed by pretentious trash-mongerer Joseph McGinty Nichol (who’s such a loser he literally goes by the directing name of “McG”).

    In the film, Heard is a CIA agent sent to Paris who recruits former CIA agent Costner to kill for her.

    I say near-femme fatale role because in the film, at no point does Heard’s ridiculous vamp every get Costner or any other man (or woman) manipulated or even interest by her sex appeal. Costner is a devoted family man who’s dying of a disease and Heard offers him a cure if he kills people for her, which is reason enough.

    But for some reason (likely the director getting his pole waxed by Heard off screen and Heard’s agents demanding it), Heard is given ample screen time in wigs, tight outfits, and sexual innuendo (including a bizarre, dream-like strip club scene) when she spools out assignments to Costner. It’s like Double Indemnity without good directing, writing, acting, or sexual chemistry.

    Those scenes with Heard were all very bizarre and didn’t fit, but the bisexual girl I saw the movie with (note: headcase and avoided her after) thought Heard was the cats meow, so I guess if you’re the type of degenerate female into other females Heard has appeal beyond trad femme fatale roles, though the girls-into-girls group is vanishingly small (despite what Hollywod and DC tell you).

  77. @Meretricious
    Depp is a proven wife beater. To me he's scum

    Replies: @info

    A false accusation with no evidence.

  78. @Right_On
    Johnny Depp's finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski's occult mystery The Ninth Gate. Frank Langella - who has troubles of his own at the moment - was excellent as an acolyte of Lucifer and manipulator of our hero, Johnny.
    What is it with Polanski and his fascination with the Devil . . ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753, @Anon

    “Rosemary’s Baby”. Trailer.

    In “The Ninth Gate,” Polanski offered an interesting glimpse into how deeply embedded Occultism is in elite circles.

    Watch the below from 4:00-4:45. That really is what happens in elite circles in real life.

    Read “The Vigilant Citizen” if you want to learn more about this fascinating topic.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Thanks: Right_On
  79. @Thomm
    I predict that this is a thread in which Rosie and Mrs. Alden will simply not appear. The comments here will soon represent too high a concentration of the denizens here who are most equipped to sledgehammer away their dishonest 'women can do no wrong' schtick.

    Mr. Alden may comment about something unrelated, though.

    Replies: @Alden

    Already commented about the two drama queens continuing their lunacy even after their divorce.

  80. @notsaying
    @JimDandy

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @dearieme, @JimDandy, @Ben tillman

    “Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.”

    His accuser didn’t claim she was raped. Even attempted rape would be a stretch.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  81. @International Jew
    OT but why is the NYTimes today leading with 200-year-old news from Haiti?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    “It’s not a sh*thole because it’s full of Haitians!”, IJ.

  82. OT — In loving memory of the election-deciding police assassinations at a BLM parade in Dallas in 2016, a New York City kritarch has legalized shooting police. A “rapper” who in January non-lethally shot a officer in the leg with an illegal handgun was released Thursday, and now has had all charges dropped, on the grounds that the cop had no business approaching the rapper, even if he had an illegal handgun. Before the issue was youths not feeling like getting arrested, now they don’t feel like being within range.
    I hope NYPD cops quit like Chicago cops have been doing. I hope NYC burns down.
    BE A FETALITY OR BE A FATALITY
    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/charges-dropped-c-blu-nypd.amp

    On Friday, the New York City Law Department announced that Williams could not be prosecuted, without providing further explanation.

    The decision drew a furious response from New York City Police Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch.

    “This absurd decision should outrage every New Yorker who wants to get illegal guns off our streets. There is no dispute that this individual was caught carrying an illegal gun for the second time. If perps like this face absolutely no consequences, even after shooting a cop, we have to ask: why bother sending us out to get the guns at all?” Lynch said in a statement.

    In other words, the officer was interested in this individual because he was a known problem child, and this individial didn’t feel like talking because he knew the talk was going to go somewhere.

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/21/judge-who-cut-c-blu-loose-is-partially-responsible-for-nyc-crime-surge-source/

    “When he approached the individual and asked him to stand still and take his hands out of his pockets, he takes his hands out of his pockets then puts them back in and keeps moving backwards. The judge’s interpretation of that video recording was that the suspect was complying. He was doing everything but complying,” the police source said.

    In other words, the cop decided to escalate following noncompliance (as is a universal standard), so he approached the individual, leading to a tussle (because the individual wasn’t complying), and the tussle resulted in a round discharging and passing through the officer’s leg while the firearm was under at least partial control of the individual (because the individual was not complying and was in fact getting ready to murder the officer), and the judge is pointing to that moment when the officer decided to approach the individual as a mistake (because she thinks he was complying) and the cause of a negligent discharge (because the individual was just sort of wielding a loaded and charged illegal handgun, with his finger on the trigger, like ya do in NYC) and nothing would have happened had the cop stayed home.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Thx. This NYC she-judge - is she white? Christian? Trying to get a career goin'? Just an I don't care much for anythingsurfer on the waves of the zeitgeist? - All of this a bit, none too much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden

  83. Definitely a shitstorm …..

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren't exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Return of Shawn, @aNewBanner

    Supposedly the reason the 10/10 actress category was canceled was decisive female audiences not wanting to see them.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @ATate

    Leading men in 1939 tended to be quite tall and manly, although the very tall Jimmy Stewart was boyish. The last generation of leading men tended to be shorter and boyish. Don't know why. Maybe just small sample sizes.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/estrogen-in-waterways/
    Same reason the frogs are gay. You were warned and you’re still not filtering the water or dropping the I. Manufactured famine inbound, a generation of American men will be shorter and weaker.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    The dose makes the poison, especially if you are not a frog embryo that lives in the water. The people at that filter link are selling fancy filters that are more than you need.

    A simple inline activated carbon filter should suffice to remove estrogen (and most other contaminants) from drinking water. These are easy to install in the 1/4" water line leading to your ice maker and fridge water dispenser (if you have these things). Don't use the ones built into the fridge - they are costly in relation to the amount of carbon that you get. You can (and should) also install them leading to a separate drinking water tap at your sink. You have to keep changing the filter at the recommended interval.

    If your budget or setup doesn't permit inline filters, you can get a faucet mounted filter or even use those pitcher (Brita) filters. This should suffice if your water source is a utility. Well water can be a different story. Utility water is already treated (somewhat) and its biggest defect is usually that it is full of chlorine. A carbon filter gets rid of that too so it doesn't taste like you are drinking from a swimming pool. And for god's sake, stop buying those little water bottles - what a total waste of $. 99% of the time they are just filled with filtered tap water. Filter your own tap water for a couple of pennies per gallon.

  86. @SafeNow
    I don’t know about the sociological effects, but it’s a safe bet Amber will have generated considerable demand for some of the Amber hairstyles. “See this photo? Make me look like this.” Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing.

    Replies: @Anonymouys

    “I don’t know about the sociological effects, but it’s a safe bet Amber will have generated considerable demand for some of the Amber hairstyles. “See this photo? Make me look like this.” Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing.”
    Well I hope so!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anonymouys


    Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing.”
    Well I hope so!
     
    Don't forget your plunger.
  87. Amber Heard looks kinda like a cross between Rosamund Pike and Kelly McGillis.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Mr. Anon

    Rosamund Pike...ah, good memories when she was in her 20s. She was only good thing about the abomination known as Die Another Day. One of Halle Berry's biggest career mistakes (besides Catwoman and Swordfish, of course) was appearing as the Bond girl in Die Another Day and not insisting that the far-prettier, far-younger Pike be jettisoned for a plainer evil female rival.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dneWh1C52M4

    I spent most of the movie hoping overrated negro Berry would die and Pike would be turned by Bond into being good, as often happened in old Bond movies. Alas, diversity won.

  88. gT says:

    Wot is going on in the States these days. First it was the possibility of anti-abortion legislation, preventing always innocent women from committing murder once a month, then its Musk going on his anti-woke crusade and the media doesn’t crucify him, and now its Amber Heard beating up and cheating on her beau. Its almost as if tptb are purposely messing with the sheeples heads, just to show, from an academic point of view, that they can steer them in any direction they want whenever they want.

  89. @Prof. Woland
    @Mr. Blank

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can't. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @David Jones, @Steve Sailer, @Dmon

    I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch.

    During recuperation from my 2nd Covid, I was too exhausted to do anything, so I watched various low-IQ entertaining YT videos. Many of them were from the so-called manosphere, I guess 50-70 of them. I’ve read many comments, too.

    My impression was: most men, with just a few exceptions, are incurable romantics. They may be, if they can, promiscuous in some segments of their lives, but want their woman in the house, queen of their hearts.

    Most men are Dante in search of Beatrice. Sounds preposterous, but …..

    • Disagree: Art Deco
    • Replies: @Moses
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes. Men are more deeply romantic than women. Women are more transactional.

    This is the part where Alden pours forth her scalding hate for the men of Sailers Place. Hell hath no wrath and all that lol.

    Alden you’ll disappoint me if I don’t get some venomous vitriol.

  90. @Cagey Beast
    https://twitter.com/LilMoonLambo/status/1522338412392587264?s=20&t=bcG2JbrtG_M_RfayUUJTWA

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JohnnyWalker123, @Dieter Kief, @AndrewR

    Well, this was a misfortune, but think of all this stress – – – what should she do?! – – -I mean, doesn’t everybody do it! – she what a hypocrite the public eye of the TV-cameras is, to expose just her?!

    (irony off)

  91. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    And Prince Harry of the UK could’ve had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose….mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said “Winona Forever” that he later changed to “Wino Forever” (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

    , @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    Harry’s father Charles got engaged to a 19 year old. pretty worshipful shy blonde. And looked what she turned into. Completely eclipsed him.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Anon
    @R.G. Camara


    worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty
     
    None of these traits are common in blonde or red haired women, which is part of the reason why men of status like Harry or William go for darker haired women.
    , @Luddite in Chief
    @R.G. Camara


    Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said “Winona Forever”
     
    Should you ever tire of looking at your current squeeze, just get a tattoo with her name on it. I don't know what it is (does the scent of the ink act as a repellent?), but it does seem that 8 times out of 10, she will be out the door practically before the ink is dry.

    (Perhaps I hang out with a hard-luck crowd?)

    Short of bankruptcy, I am not aware of surer way to see the back of your beloved than having her name indelibly written on you. There are few certainties in this life, but that seems to be one of them.

    (If there's a fellow you don't like, and he has a woman's name on his arm, casually ask him about his tattoo. You will instantly get an earful.)

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @Luddite in Chief
    @R.G. Camara


    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.
     
    Sex is a part of it, certainly, but it is often surprising how many mediocre women are able to meet and hang onto high-value males simply by taking the time and trouble to make him feel important when he has his clothes on (which is most of the time).

    Ever hear of Pamela Harriman? By all accounts, she was no great beauty and was not particularly good in bed, yet she managed to marry quite wealthy and influential men who could keep her in style. Her secret seemed to consist largely of making her target-of-the-moment the sole focus of her attention; if he was in the room, her focus was on his needs, not her own. What kind of drink did the man like? Harriman made it her business to find out.

    I know it sounds simplistic, but you would be surprised the kind of results this sort of single-mindedness can obtain. Particularly in an age where women are self-absorbed at an absurd degree (even for women).
    , @AndrewR
    @R.G. Camara

    Harry seems very similar to his great great uncle Edward, who also had severe insecurities stemming from his parents, and who also married a middle aged, divorced, social-climbing American. But I have heard a convincing claim put forth that Wallis did not really want to marry Edward but felt pressured to marry him by his alleged threats of suicide. Of course, all the evidence we have is letters written by long-dead people. Whereas with Meghan, it is completely clear that she is a predatory sociopath. I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family's dirty secrets. Well, now it's clear they didn't gain anything through appeasement.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Inquiring Mind

    , @ben tillman
    @R.G. Camara


    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.
     
    In my experience, the man fucks the woman; not vice versa.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @R.G. Camara


    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers.
     
    "Men are like linoleum. Lay them right and you can walk all over them for years."
  92. @J.Ross
    OT -- In loving memory of the election-deciding police assassinations at a BLM parade in Dallas in 2016, a New York City kritarch has legalized shooting police. A "rapper" who in January non-lethally shot a officer in the leg with an illegal handgun was released Thursday, and now has had all charges dropped, on the grounds that the cop had no business approaching the rapper, even if he had an illegal handgun. Before the issue was youths not feeling like getting arrested, now they don't feel like being within range.
    I hope NYPD cops quit like Chicago cops have been doing. I hope NYC burns down.
    BE A FETALITY OR BE A FATALITY
    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/charges-dropped-c-blu-nypd.amp

    On Friday, the New York City Law Department announced that Williams could not be prosecuted, without providing further explanation.

    The decision drew a furious response from New York City Police Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch.

    "This absurd decision should outrage every New Yorker who wants to get illegal guns off our streets. There is no dispute that this individual was caught carrying an illegal gun for the second time. If perps like this face absolutely no consequences, even after shooting a cop, we have to ask: why bother sending us out to get the guns at all?" Lynch said in a statement.
     

    In other words, the officer was interested in this individual because he was a known problem child, and this individial didn't feel like talking because he knew the talk was going to go somewhere.

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/21/judge-who-cut-c-blu-loose-is-partially-responsible-for-nyc-crime-surge-source/


    “When he approached the individual and asked him to stand still and take his hands out of his pockets, he takes his hands out of his pockets then puts them back in and keeps moving backwards. The judge’s interpretation of that video recording was that the suspect was complying. He was doing everything but complying,” the police source said.
     
    In other words, the cop decided to escalate following noncompliance (as is a universal standard), so he approached the individual, leading to a tussle (because the individual wasn't complying), and the tussle resulted in a round discharging and passing through the officer's leg while the firearm was under at least partial control of the individual (because the individual was not complying and was in fact getting ready to murder the officer), and the judge is pointing to that moment when the officer decided to approach the individual as a mistake (because she thinks he was complying) and the cause of a negligent discharge (because the individual was just sort of wielding a loaded and charged illegal handgun, with his finger on the trigger, like ya do in NYC) and nothing would have happened had the cop stayed home.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thx. This NYC she-judge – is she white? Christian? Trying to get a career goin’? Just an I don’t care much for anythingsurfer on the waves of the zeitgeist? – All of this a bit, none too much?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    Bronx Supreme Court Justice Naita Semaj — who has a history of cutting loose allegedly violent teens

    Good stuff including a picture of the judge at the Post link. She was misidentified as possessing Hebraic ancestry at the infamous web site 4chan (although, like Sotomayor, that might be partially true). Looks like a standard black lesbian academic, not fat, cat lady glasses, head shaved bald except for a kippe of curly red hair balanced on top, so I guess the idea here is to mock the patriarchy by looking like a 1930s fat guy with a tiny hairpiece? Interesting puff piece from an ethnic blog: apparently she's Jamaican, has a husband and son, putative protestant Christian, and there's this poorly aging quip from dad:


    Upon her election to the Court, Judge Semaj’s Jamaican father, Dr. Leahcim Semaj, posted on Facebook, “My daughter Judge Naita Semaj is now on the Supreme Court of New York following this week’s election. Yes, the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice. Black girls rock!! From expulsion from 2 schools in Jamaica to The Supreme Court of New York. Quite of journey. Never let small-minded people define you.”
     
    https://jamaicans.com/from-school-expulsion-in-jamaica-to-serving-on-the-new-york-supreme-court-the-journey-of-judge-naita-semaj/

    Apparently the judge she replaced in her current position was "notoriously lenient."
    , @Alden
    @Dieter Kief

    Judge is Naita Sanjl black, ugly, hideous hair style . Sides and back of her head shaved hair on top looks like a dark brown pot scrubber.
    One of the numerous NYC judges known for being excessively lenient towards minor offenders. Exactly the sort of offenders who should be locked up away from public schools and public places.

  93. @Mr. Anon
    Amber Heard looks kinda like a cross between Rosamund Pike and Kelly McGillis.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Rosamund Pike…ah, good memories when she was in her 20s. She was only good thing about the abomination known as Die Another Day. One of Halle Berry’s biggest career mistakes (besides Catwoman and Swordfish, of course) was appearing as the Bond girl in Die Another Day and not insisting that the far-prettier, far-younger Pike be jettisoned for a plainer evil female rival.

    I spent most of the movie hoping overrated negro Berry would die and Pike would be turned by Bond into being good, as often happened in old Bond movies. Alas, diversity won.

  94. @Prof. Woland
    @Mr. Blank

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can't. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @David Jones, @Steve Sailer, @Dmon

    Better that weirdos only make two people unhappy instead of four

    • Agree: Art Deco
  95. @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Thx. This NYC she-judge - is she white? Christian? Trying to get a career goin'? Just an I don't care much for anythingsurfer on the waves of the zeitgeist? - All of this a bit, none too much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden

    Bronx Supreme Court Justice Naita Semaj — who has a history of cutting loose allegedly violent teens

    Good stuff including a picture of the judge at the Post link. She was misidentified as possessing Hebraic ancestry at the infamous web site 4chan (although, like Sotomayor, that might be partially true). Looks like a standard black lesbian academic, not fat, cat lady glasses, head shaved bald except for a kippe of curly red hair balanced on top, so I guess the idea here is to mock the patriarchy by looking like a 1930s fat guy with a tiny hairpiece? Interesting puff piece from an ethnic blog: apparently she’s Jamaican, has a husband and son, putative protestant Christian, and there’s this poorly aging quip from dad:

    Upon her election to the Court, Judge Semaj’s Jamaican father, Dr. Leahcim Semaj, posted on Facebook, “My daughter Judge Naita Semaj is now on the Supreme Court of New York following this week’s election. Yes, the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice. Black girls rock!! From expulsion from 2 schools in Jamaica to The Supreme Court of New York. Quite of journey. Never let small-minded people define you.”

    https://jamaicans.com/from-school-expulsion-in-jamaica-to-serving-on-the-new-york-supreme-court-the-journey-of-judge-naita-semaj/

    Apparently the judge she replaced in her current position was “notoriously lenient.”

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  96. @Prof. Woland
    @Mr. Blank

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can't. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @David Jones, @Steve Sailer, @Dmon

    “I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit”

    Starlet, although I like “starlit.”

    Johnny Depp really likes being a Movie Star, which is why he has money troubles. He’s kind of the anti-Matt Damon. It’s hard for a big name these days to not make enough money to cover expenses, you have to spend at a Nicolas Cage level (Nic is a Coppola so he wants every moment of his life to be magnificent), but Depp is one of the rare legends who manages.

    Johnny likes living large. For example, you’ll notice that the top two or three actors in a movie will have their personal assistants listed in the credits. A few superstars will have two personal assistants. Depp had three personal assistants listed.

    A decade ago, Amber Heard looked like the proper consort for a Johnny Depp level superstar.

    The Depp abides. I don’t know about you, but I take comfort in that, knowin’ he’s out there. The Depp. Wasting his money for all us sinners.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Starlet, although I like “starlit”

    Tempted to say: "^@%#@%. The suffix you're looking for is ^@%#@%, as in star^@%#@%," but that's not really true of her since she has definite talent. Maybe our artists would be less strange and mean if we rewarded them less.

    , @MGB
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember all the stories about Depp’s profligate spending, $50k couches and stupid shit like that. I’d bet that if a forensic accountant got into it, you’d find some scumbag manager bleeding Depp dry. They’re always in the background somewhere, just like music industry.

  97. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = “indie,” as in “independent” creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is usually associated with 2000s star Zooey Deschanel, whose father Caleb is a spectacular cinematographer ("Black Stallion," "The Right Stuff," "The Natural," "The Passion of the Christ"). He was one of the cohort associated with FF Coppola and George Lucas, alone with Walter Murch.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @40 Lashes Less One

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @J.Ross


    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = “indie,” as in “independent” creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?
     
    I always thought that MPDG was a moniker invented by online feminists ostensibly to criticize a number of film characters whose role is to teach the male twentysomething lead characters to embrace the exciting randomness of the universe. They really used it as a jumping off point to complain about men existing somewhere outside of a state of persistent misery, because they just can't stand that.
    , @S Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Lisa Kudrow (who dated a young Conan O’Brien) played a comic relief version of the character in Friends from ‘94 on. And 90s star Alanis Morissette might have been the archetype. The emergence of the MPDG into leading-lady status in 00s films might be a reflection of the slower pace of the movie industry with guys who were single in the 90s finally getting to write and direct their own movies.

    Replies: @S Johnson, @J.Ross

    , @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    The Manic Pixie Dream Girl has long been a trope character; it was only in the 2000s it got named as such, and then acquired a negative connotation thanks to feminists whining that men shouldn't get movies where such a girl is the prize.

    Historically, any bohemian or "free-spirited" young female love interest in a romantic comedy fits the archetype, as her free-spirit is supposed to liberate the dour male she clips on to.

    For example. Katherine Hepburn's character in Bringing up Baby is of this type, despite it being very much not a traditional Katherine Hepburn role. Or Julia Roberts character in Pretty Woman, whose "earthy" ways charms the button-downed Richard Gere. Or even Diane Keaton's roles in Woody Allen movies in the 70s, where her offbeat weirdness and dress made it both plausible she would fall for ugly mumbling Woody and also offset her gorgeous face and body (Keaton was truly a gorgeous woman, model-esque, but her acting made us all forget it).

    By the late 90s, the trope had acquired some Gen X themes, such as funkiness in terms of music, thrift-shop dressing, low income of the character, mental illness, and an emphasis on her being cute-but-not-overly-beautiful, which meant it was Winona's time to shine. But she was nothing new, just a new spin on the trope.

    , @MEH 0910
    @J.Ross

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl

  98. … the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) …

    One recent evening I walked into the living room and found my wife, the television aficionado, flipping channels. She happened upon a replay of the day’s Depp vs. Heard trial, and for a couple of minutes we watched Johnny Depp describe how he passed out from drugs in the bathroom of a private jet and rode that way on the floor all the way from NY to LA.

    Then my wife exclaimed, “Why is this on TV? Who cares?!” and she continued flipping channels. That’s my girl. I’m so proud of her.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I am fairly close with a 22 year old women. She is completely wrapped up in the Depp Heard case and is on Depp's side.

    , @silviosilver
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Then my wife exclaimed, “Why is this on TV? Who cares?!” and she continued flipping channels. That’s my girl. I’m so proud of her.
     
    Proud of a "television aficionado"?

    It's great that she flipped the channel on the Depp garbage, but the fact is 99% of everything else on TV is similarly puerile garbage and (actual) disinformation anyway. Reclaim your life, ditch the TV.
    , @MEH 0910
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://people.com/politics/kellyanne-conway-worried-about-marriage-love-must-come-with-respect-exclusive/
    https://twitter.com/people/status/1529105945430736898

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/kellyanne-conway-my-husbands-tweets-ruined-our-marriage/
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1529025055363158016

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Prof. Woland

    "I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit"

    Starlet, although I like "starlit."

    Johnny Depp really likes being a Movie Star, which is why he has money troubles. He's kind of the anti-Matt Damon. It's hard for a big name these days to not make enough money to cover expenses, you have to spend at a Nicolas Cage level (Nic is a Coppola so he wants every moment of his life to be magnificent), but Depp is one of the rare legends who manages.

    Johnny likes living large. For example, you'll notice that the top two or three actors in a movie will have their personal assistants listed in the credits. A few superstars will have two personal assistants. Depp had three personal assistants listed.

    A decade ago, Amber Heard looked like the proper consort for a Johnny Depp level superstar.

    The Depp abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that, knowin' he's out there. The Depp. Wasting his money for all us sinners.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MGB

    Starlet, although I like “starlit”

    Tempted to say: “^@%#@%. The suffix you’re looking for is ^@%#@%, as in star^@%#@%,” but that’s not really true of her since she has definite talent. Maybe our artists would be less strange and mean if we rewarded them less.

  100. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Harry’s father Charles got engaged to a 19 year old. pretty worshipful shy blonde. And looked what she turned into. Completely eclipsed him.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Alden

    He was always in love with Camilla, but she was considered by his family too "earthy" to be his wife. And Diana just didn't have what it took to woo him away from Camilla.

    Replies: @S Johnson

  101. @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is usually associated with 2000s star Zooey Deschanel, whose father Caleb is a spectacular cinematographer (“Black Stallion,” “The Right Stuff,” “The Natural,” “The Passion of the Christ”). He was one of the cohort associated with FF Coppola and George Lucas, alone with Walter Murch.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl
     

    father Caleb
    FF Coppola
    George Lucas
    Walter Murch
     
    focus, Steve, we’re talkin’ pussy here

    https://p.favim.com/orig/2019/01/25/of-my-fat-cat-kitty-pretty-girl-girls-Favim.com-6819734.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @40 Lashes Less One
    @Steve Sailer

    He directed some Twin Peaks episodes

  102. @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross

    Thx. This NYC she-judge - is she white? Christian? Trying to get a career goin'? Just an I don't care much for anythingsurfer on the waves of the zeitgeist? - All of this a bit, none too much?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden

    Judge is Naita Sanjl black, ugly, hideous hair style . Sides and back of her head shaved hair on top looks like a dark brown pot scrubber.
    One of the numerous NYC judges known for being excessively lenient towards minor offenders. Exactly the sort of offenders who should be locked up away from public schools and public places.

  103. @Anon
    It's a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard. Without makeup, she's an average blonde woman no one would look at twice who happens to have a very negative personality. It seems like those two men like a lot of drama in their lives.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7429551/Amber-Heard-goes-makeup-free-lawyers-office-amid-defamation-lawsuit-ex-Johnny-Depp.html

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anon, @Henry's Cat, @R.G. Camara

    Are you kidding me?

    How can you people not realize that her blonde hair is fake?

    Stop falling for the fake blonde scam. Her hlond hair is no more real than Johnny Depp’s.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @Anon

    I think she looked kind of hot as Mera with her hair bright red.

    , @Bill
    @Anon

    It's one of the iSteve commentariat's odd tics. It's not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can't do it.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  104. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty

    None of these traits are common in blonde or red haired women, which is part of the reason why men of status like Harry or William go for darker haired women.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  105. On the Conventional But Consistent vs. Erratic But Quirky dimension of leading man-dom, with Tom Cruise at one pole and Brad Pitt in the middle, Depp was at the Quirky pole.

    This guy has always been an enigma. He was on the precipice of a Tom Cruise-esque blockbuster movie star career in Hollywood while a breakout teen heartthrob on 21 Jump Street (one of the gems of early FOX programming). But instead of just becoming a leading man movie star, he sought out “challenging” roles and altered his image such that he came to be regarded as a weirdo.

    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise’s immense success, he would probably now be a “remember that guy? what ever happened to him?” sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before "Pirates of the Caribbean," was of a Brad Pitt movie, "The Mexican," in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with "Pirates," but on the other hand, he'd done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise’s immense success, he would probably now be a “remember that guy? what ever happened to him?” sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.
     
    Sorry, are you insane?

    Tim Burton chose Johnny as his leading-man doppleganger in so many movies its shorter to list the Tim Burton films that don't have Depp in them. And Burton, despite his weirdness, is consistently a box-office winner, so Depp was never out of the public's eye. (The linking up of Depp and Burton has to be one of the most serendipitous long-term matches between director and actor of all time, right up there with Wayne/ Ford and DeNiro/ Scorcese.)

    If Pirates hadn't hit it big, Depp would still have had a decade of success; its just more likely the younger generation wouldn't know his name, or at least think of him as weird older guy as opposed to sexy pirate. Depp has always had an amazing knack for choosing weird, offbeat roles that nonetheless register at the box office, and as he's gotten older he managed to hide his age quite well, mostly because he never relied on uber-sexy bodies or physical dominance to be a sex symbol, but rather his boyish face and soulful eyes and weird outfits that covered him up for the most part.

    Depp was rumored to be in line for a major Batman villain role in Chris Nolan's films, and then in other superhero films. And everytime it was mentioned, people went nuts thinking it would be great (the Riddler was often the one people thought Depp would be).

    Grieco's career peaked with 21 Jump Street in the 80s, after which he did direct-to-video schlock and cable-movie crap. The Night at the Roxbury made Greico a meme joke, which he took good naturedly, but really, comparing him to Depp is so, so off.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  106. @Anon
    It's a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard. Without makeup, she's an average blonde woman no one would look at twice who happens to have a very negative personality. It seems like those two men like a lot of drama in their lives.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7429551/Amber-Heard-goes-makeup-free-lawyers-office-amid-defamation-lawsuit-ex-Johnny-Depp.html

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anon, @Henry's Cat, @R.G. Camara

    Wait till you see the average blonde without make-up and clothing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Henry's Cat

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Women of all other ages use artifices such as makeup in order to trick men into thinking that they are also of prime age and if you see them without their trick getups they are no longer attractive. (Even women of prime age use makeup to appear more attractive but the most attractive ones can get away without it when they are prime age).

    Maybe dress codes are less formal in LA - even for a meeting with her lawyers, Heard looks under-prepared, like she rolled out of bed and went straight to the lawyer's office. If I had to guess, she was up late partying the night before and woke up late and ran right out without even minimal prep. This was a subtle way of dissing her lawyers - "I am a movie star whose status is higher than mere lawyers so I don't have to get dressed up for you any more than I have to get dressed up to see my cleaning lady."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G., @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  107. @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = “indie,” as in “independent” creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    I always thought that MPDG was a moniker invented by online feminists ostensibly to criticize a number of film characters whose role is to teach the male twentysomething lead characters to embrace the exciting randomness of the universe. They really used it as a jumping off point to complain about men existing somewhere outside of a state of persistent misery, because they just can’t stand that.

  108. @Rooster15
    It appears both of them are very disturbed individuals, who’ve suffered the cursed consequences of money, fame, and fortune. I wish both were stripped of their money and forced to live out the rest of their lives in a double-wide trailer… my apologies to whomever their neighbors might be.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I guess you missed the Rolling Stone article a couple years ago that made pretty clear that Depp had blown almost all of his hundreds of millions of dollars. No matter who wins, neither will see even 10% of the winnings

  109. @Cagey Beast
    https://twitter.com/LilMoonLambo/status/1522338412392587264?s=20&t=bcG2JbrtG_M_RfayUUJTWA

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @JohnnyWalker123, @Dieter Kief, @AndrewR

    That is some serious addiction. It’s not like they don’t take plenty of recesses. This girl is insane.

  110. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    On the Conventional But Consistent vs. Erratic But Quirky dimension of leading man-dom, with Tom Cruise at one pole and Brad Pitt in the middle, Depp was at the Quirky pole.
     
    This guy has always been an enigma. He was on the precipice of a Tom Cruise-esque blockbuster movie star career in Hollywood while a breakout teen heartthrob on 21 Jump Street (one of the gems of early FOX programming). But instead of just becoming a leading man movie star, he sought out "challenging" roles and altered his image such that he came to be regarded as a weirdo.

    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise's immense success, he would probably now be a "remember that guy? what ever happened to him?" sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @R.G. Camara

    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before “Pirates of the Caribbean,” was of a Brad Pitt movie, “The Mexican,” in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with “Pirates,” but on the other hand, he’d done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Pitt wanted to be Redford. DiCaprio wanted to be Nicholson.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Steve Sailer


    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before “Pirates of the Caribbean,” was of a Brad Pitt movie, “The Mexican,” in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with “Pirates,” but on the other hand, he’d done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.
     
    My perception was that Depp's catalog of work post 21 Jump Street was more popular with the critic class than broadly popular with audiences. (Recall that he had a bit part in Platoon before 21 Jump Street). Edward Scissorhands was just a weird project for a would-be leading man to take on early in his career - it did experience come box office success.

    The good fortune of the Captain Jack Sparrow role for Depp was that it was a synthesis of the weird, off-beat characters he prefers and a huge moneymaking franchise with multiple sequels in which his appearance was necessary (which would be most likely with the leading man roles he had shunned previously). If someone had told you that Depp was drunk and zonked out on percocets while filming the Pirates of the Caribbean series, you wouldn't doubt it. He just got to be himself, drunken and drugged up, impersonating Keith Richards and made a boat load of money doing it while filming in paradisaical tropical locations. I suppose there's a place where you could look it up, but I'd wager that he probably made much, much more from Captain Jack Sparrow and its aftermath than in all of the films he'd made up to that point.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

  111. @Alden
    @R.G. Camara

    Harry’s father Charles got engaged to a 19 year old. pretty worshipful shy blonde. And looked what she turned into. Completely eclipsed him.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    He was always in love with Camilla, but she was considered by his family too “earthy” to be his wife. And Diana just didn’t have what it took to woo him away from Camilla.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @AndrewR

    That plus Camilla got married to Andrew Parker-Bowles, who she’d known before Charles, in 1973. So Parker-Bowles apparently slept with both Charles’s sister Anne and his current wife. Who said the British upper classes were incestuous?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  112. I haven’t heard one woman sympathise with Ms. Heard.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @The Alarmist

    "I haven't heard one woman sympathise with Ms. Heard."

    Maureen Callahan of the New York Post has complained in columns about public opinion going against Amber Heard. Callahan attacks Men Behaving Badly, often left-wingers.

    Johnny Depp is the type she hates.

  113. When two people have both behaved very badly in a relationship, they have “mutually assured destruction”. Heard knew that she could destroy Depp’s career, but lacked the personal insight to realise that he could destroy her career too.

  114. @Steve Sailer
    @ATate

    Leading men in 1939 tended to be quite tall and manly, although the very tall Jimmy Stewart was boyish. The last generation of leading men tended to be shorter and boyish. Don't know why. Maybe just small sample sizes.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    I’m sure it has nothing to do with the efforts to feminize men in general.

  115. Breathe, Depp, the gathering stench.
    What’s she done, this Amber wench?
    Bedshitter people look back and lament
    Another day’s useless aliment spent.

    [MORE]

    Impassioned lovers wrestle as one.
    (How would one person wrestle? It cannot be done!)
    Young mother picks up and suckles her brat.
    (The brat should be suckling! What’s up with that?)

  116. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) ...
     
    One recent evening I walked into the living room and found my wife, the television aficionado, flipping channels. She happened upon a replay of the day's Depp vs. Heard trial, and for a couple of minutes we watched Johnny Depp describe how he passed out from drugs in the bathroom of a private jet and rode that way on the floor all the way from NY to LA.

    Then my wife exclaimed, "Why is this on TV? Who cares?!" and she continued flipping channels. That's my girl. I'm so proud of her.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @silviosilver, @MEH 0910

    I am fairly close with a 22 year old women. She is completely wrapped up in the Depp Heard case and is on Depp’s side.

  117. @Steve Sailer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before "Pirates of the Caribbean," was of a Brad Pitt movie, "The Mexican," in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with "Pirates," but on the other hand, he'd done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Pitt wanted to be Redford. DiCaprio wanted to be Nicholson.

  118. @marco-polo
    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women. Only a year or two ago female sentiment, towards abuse accusations, was to believe the woman and disparage legal process. Now the mood of woman at the trial is one of protection of Johnny and hatred and contempt for his former wife. This trial is very public and I would like to think that the mood reflects a society that's trying to be more grown up in dealing with modern gender conflicts.

    Other than that, not being much interested in movie stars, the trial put him on my radar and I was surprised to find out that Johnny Depp played Edward in Edward Scissor Hands and the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, movies I have enjoyed. While the trial shows his life to be a bit screwball, he nonetheless comes across as a genuinely good person and having a certain charisma. You characterize him as washed up, but I suspect, with the interest in him generated by the trial and his existing talent, his career may have future surprises in store.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Spangel226, @Paul Mendez, @ginger bread man

    The evidence against heard is very simplistic, which is why people hate her. It is like the Ibram kendi level of trial evidence, which celeb worshippers can easily latch on to. It also makes heard look like a soap opera villain because she admits to hitting depp on audio and then says no one will believe him if he claims he’s the victim of domestic violence.

    While the evidence that heard is a headcase is cut and dry, folks did not seem to notice that heards evidence against the defamation aspect of her post article is some of the strongest evidence in the whole case. It may not be salacious, but the evidence was that Disney publicly announced that they were dropping depp from pirates two months before her post article was released. Then he lost the fantastic beasts role 2 years after her article. And they had a Disney producer exec for pirates testify that there was no reason to believe heards accusations had anything to do with depp losing the pirates role.

    So all in all, depp’s side has done nothing to show that heards article resulted in any material damages to him. We will see if the jury cares about that. Perhaps they too will be swayed by boiling hatred for amber because of the soap opera audio.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Spangel226

    He doesn’t have to prove damages in the defamation case.

    Replies: @Spangel226

  119. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) ...
     
    One recent evening I walked into the living room and found my wife, the television aficionado, flipping channels. She happened upon a replay of the day's Depp vs. Heard trial, and for a couple of minutes we watched Johnny Depp describe how he passed out from drugs in the bathroom of a private jet and rode that way on the floor all the way from NY to LA.

    Then my wife exclaimed, "Why is this on TV? Who cares?!" and she continued flipping channels. That's my girl. I'm so proud of her.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @silviosilver, @MEH 0910

    Then my wife exclaimed, “Why is this on TV? Who cares?!” and she continued flipping channels. That’s my girl. I’m so proud of her.

    Proud of a “television aficionado”?

    It’s great that she flipped the channel on the Depp garbage, but the fact is 99% of everything else on TV is similarly puerile garbage and (actual) disinformation anyway. Reclaim your life, ditch the TV.

  120. @Cortes
    The “Wagatha Christie” Vardy vs Rooney trial has everything: two high-profile WAGs (usually reserved for Wives And Girlfriends of English footballers) in full-on barrister a barrister struggle over social media bad-mouthing and bitching. The media title derives from the defendant Mrs Rooney having assumed the role of Miss Marple in an effort to track down and unmask the “friend” who was enabling the media to access details of her “private life.” In the classic tradition, Mrs Rooney’s counsel has cited a 1722 case involving a chimneysweep and a crooked jeweller...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/19/rebekah-vardy-subjected-to-ridicule-on-a-massive-scale-libel-trial-told

    (A friend based in the USA has been underwhelmed by the quality of witness examination in the Depp-Heard case.)

    Replies: @bomag

    Was a time when courts tried to blunt public discussion of ongoing cases; gag orders on newspapers and others; instructions not to discuss ongoing cases outside the courtroom; etc.

    We have swung to the other extreme.

  121. @Altai
    I find the Heard thing is actually very cathartic for women because they can finally point out the kind of female psychopaths whom they bare the brunt of in terms of interpersonal conflict and attack.

    Moreover the moment we're having as a culture is driven by insane female social aggression and politicking on social media, particularly young and adolescent kind. Women with BPD are in a way being exposed through Amber Heard.

    I doubt Depp is much better, these kinds of cluster B types are deeply attracted to each other. I keep seeing guys wonder how Davidson gets with all these attractive famous women despite being unattractive, dim and a stoner with serious mental health issues, albeit he is also rich and famous but these women have lots of rich and famous guys to pick from. What they like about Davidson is he is a turbo cluster B fuckup, a man diagnosed with BPD. These kinds of women who also have cluster B traits enjoy the drama and a psycho stuff, so much that they overlook his appearance and other deficits.

    People with BPD are prone to exactly this kind of insane purity spiraling and cancel culture stuff. What has changed is that social media has become not only the central forum for social and political commentary but that these types of people are powerusers who influence things significantly and then force adolescent conformist women with normal psychologies to adopt it. That's essentially what Tumblr was and Twitter has become Tumblr on a lag.

    The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it's already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @dearieme, @Sam Grisham, @Ben tillman

    I assume BPD = Bitch Personality Disorder?

  122. @R.G. Camara
    @Spangel226


    neotonous beauty
     
    Amber heard does not have neotenous beauty. While she is good-looking, she has a hard, masculine look with a hard jawline.Teenage girl she does not come off as, more like a femme fatal (as Steve has put it) or a harder biker chick (if she had a bunch of tattoos). Its no wonder she's publicly bisexual.

    She probably would've been a better fit for Captain Marvel than the less-pretty Bree Larson, but again the script and the movie were trash, so she couldn't have saved it.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    She does have that jaw, it’s true. Maybe that hint of masculinity gives her extra sex appeal. It’s like the more purely feminine neotonous faces like Winona are more strikingly pretty but less sexy overall. While pretty faces with a strong jaw, like heards and Angelia Jolie, end up with a more vulgar kind of sex appeal. But apart from heards jaw, her face looks feminine.

  123. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Steve Sailer

    Well,it says his mom was sent to Auschwitz,along with her daughter Annette. If she was murdered,that is wantonly executed, as in," Bula,leave your shit and come with me," its interesting that her daughter survived.
    Or maybe the older woman was killed by disease,malnutrition, etc.
    Now,some say Bugliosi was a fraud and Manson was not guilty of murder.
    This is Joe Rogan stuff.
    So, I wonder if this is really true.
    Surely,the guy had some bad luck!

    Replies: @Jack D

    its interesting that her daughter survived.

    Not really. My father and 2 of his brothers and a few of people in his generation (teens to 20s) survived German concentration camps but his parents and most of the people in his parent’s generation didn’t. Aside from death by disease, malnutrition, etc. (certainly a big factor), when you arrived at Auschwitz (Birkenau) there was a selection – the people who looked fit for labor were kept and the rest went straight to the gas chamber. The wiki says that his mother was killed “soon after arriving” which indicates that she did not survive the selection process.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  124. @notsaying
    @JimDandy

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @dearieme, @JimDandy, @Ben tillman

    I must say I don’t like the cut of Kavanaugh’s jib. But his accuser came across as deranged.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @dearieme

    She did not come across as deranged at all. She and her handlers came across as calculating (but obvious) liars. See the ancillary mess about her supposed fear of flying and her fake little girl voice. And see the core problem: neither Ford, nor her handlers, nor the news media could come up with an old Polaroid or a sworn affidavit that would provide evidence that she'd ever met either of the young men she accused; they couldn't even assemble a circumstantial argument based on where they lived or the schools to which the three families in question had sent their children.

    No clue why you've confused Kavanaugh with Norman St. John Stevas.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  125. @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

    Lisa Kudrow (who dated a young Conan O’Brien) played a comic relief version of the character in Friends from ‘94 on. And 90s star Alanis Morissette might have been the archetype. The emergence of the MPDG into leading-lady status in 00s films might be a reflection of the slower pace of the movie industry with guys who were single in the 90s finally getting to write and direct their own movies.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @S Johnson

    My sense is that hipsters proper (defined as the search for a more authentic, Walden-type existence plus cooler-than-thou left-wing politics and encapsulated in the micro-brewery) were more of a late 00s/early 10s phenomenon who’ve only been addressed fleetingly in movies by, e.g., Rogen and Samberg (and on TV by Fred Armisen’s “Portlandia”). The early Apatow school movies were more about the LA stoner/slacker type, just like early Sandler movies parodied 80s drivenness. Hollywood is usually a good 5-10 years behind the latest trends.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @J.Ross
    @S Johnson

    >he paid attention to Lisa Kudrow in the 90s
    Talk about filtered.

  126. @S Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Lisa Kudrow (who dated a young Conan O’Brien) played a comic relief version of the character in Friends from ‘94 on. And 90s star Alanis Morissette might have been the archetype. The emergence of the MPDG into leading-lady status in 00s films might be a reflection of the slower pace of the movie industry with guys who were single in the 90s finally getting to write and direct their own movies.

    Replies: @S Johnson, @J.Ross

    My sense is that hipsters proper (defined as the search for a more authentic, Walden-type existence plus cooler-than-thou left-wing politics and encapsulated in the micro-brewery) were more of a late 00s/early 10s phenomenon who’ve only been addressed fleetingly in movies by, e.g., Rogen and Samberg (and on TV by Fred Armisen’s “Portlandia”). The early Apatow school movies were more about the LA stoner/slacker type, just like early Sandler movies parodied 80s drivenness. Hollywood is usually a good 5-10 years behind the latest trends.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @S Johnson

    Hmmm. Attempting to rebut or at least complicate. You know, when sharks outside the "cat" subgroup stop swimming, they suffocate. I want you to keep swimming.

  127. @theMann
    I will never be a fan of televised trials,for many reasons, but the one in play here is how painful it will be, pretty much forever, for the principals involved. There are just so many people who will not come out of this looking good, and everybody they will deal with will think they are an expert because they saw the trail.


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Thea, @Spangel226, @S. Anonyia, @James Speaks, @R.G. Camara, @Return of Shawn

    Amber Heard is strikingly beautiful. No homo, but her facial structure is the feminine equivalent of Depp’s.

  128. @Right_On
    @Steve Sailer

    Rosemary's Baby and The Ninth Gate have too many lighthearted interludes for your 'cute' suggestion to be applicable. (Though Polanski's Macbeth, particularly the scene where Lady Macduff and her children are murdered, has been seen by some critics as influenced by the Manson slayings.)

    Hollywood just likes Old Nick as a character. On which, Eye of the Devil (1966) employed Alex Sanders (aka "Verbius"), an English occultist, to be a consultant. Sharon Tate, who played a leader of the coven, was given a crash course in all things Wiccan to make the rituals more authentic. She might have awakened Roman's interest.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @WJ

    I dont know about his Satanic influences but I do know that Chinatown was a contrived piece of junk. Boring and tiresome. It’s really interesting what passes for high art in Hollywood. Not to be a movie snob but the Brits were so much better.

  129. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said “Winona Forever”

    Should you ever tire of looking at your current squeeze, just get a tattoo with her name on it. I don’t know what it is (does the scent of the ink act as a repellent?), but it does seem that 8 times out of 10, she will be out the door practically before the ink is dry.

    (Perhaps I hang out with a hard-luck crowd?)

    Short of bankruptcy, I am not aware of surer way to see the back of your beloved than having her name indelibly written on you. There are few certainties in this life, but that seems to be one of them.

    (If there’s a fellow you don’t like, and he has a woman’s name on his arm, casually ask him about his tattoo. You will instantly get an earful.)

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Luddite in Chief


    Should you ever tire of looking at your current squeeze, just get a tattoo with her name on it. I don’t know what it is (does the scent of the ink act as a repellent?), but it does seem that 8 times out of 10, she will be out the door practically before the ink is dry.
     
    You have just tattooed your master's name on your skin for all the world to see. It says directly to the woman that she has absolute control over you. There's no more mystery with you or power struggle; she has won. As a result, she's no longer interested in you; you have been tamed.

    Plus when guy's do it its almost always right after a long drawn out fight where she drops major hints she's leaving (and she's doing so because she's completely controlling him, which makes her miserable). The tattoo, which he thinks is a sign of love, actually smells cravenly desperate.
  130. @Henry's Cat
    @Anon

    Wait till you see the average blonde without make-up and clothing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Women of all other ages use artifices such as makeup in order to trick men into thinking that they are also of prime age and if you see them without their trick getups they are no longer attractive. (Even women of prime age use makeup to appear more attractive but the most attractive ones can get away without it when they are prime age).

    Maybe dress codes are less formal in LA – even for a meeting with her lawyers, Heard looks under-prepared, like she rolled out of bed and went straight to the lawyer’s office. If I had to guess, she was up late partying the night before and woke up late and ran right out without even minimal prep. This was a subtle way of dissing her lawyers – “I am a movie star whose status is higher than mere lawyers so I don’t have to get dressed up for you any more than I have to get dressed up to see my cleaning lady.”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    This ought to be pretty much the most obvious thing in the world--ok, maybe after "we must eat" and "we must see off the invaders"--that all women are brutally aware of.

    But one of the weird things in our society now, is that a bunch of women seem to be in real denial of this. They are 35 and awesome!

    I do not know if these media women are part of the giant propaganda push to deny the basic fact that the single critical aspect of any society's norms and culture must be that they reproduce the society. Or whether it is simply that so many women--especially these media careerist gals--having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.

    Clearly it is at least some of both. But I think more the former. They grasp reality, but its "unfairness" makes them mad, and they see their duty in railing against it--and denying it to convince gullible women that biological reality is an insidious stale pale male plot.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Mark G.
    @Jack D


    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    Actresses develop a reputation as beautiful and then keep that reputation even after their looks have started to decline as they age. I've seen actresses in their late thirties like Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez or Angelina Jolie make most beautiful women in the world lists. Compare photos of these older actresses with photos of younger versions of themselves. Most guys would pick the younger versions as more attractive. Most guys are instinctively most attracted to women in a fairly narrow age range. One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.

    Successful older actresses sometimes continue to pick sex symbol roles because it appeals to their vanity. This happens with male movie stars too. I watch a lot of old movies and it is common to see male movie actors of the nineteen thirties like Jimmy Cagney, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart and Gary Cooper still playing romantic leads in nineteen fifties movies. It somehow ruins the believability of a movie for me when I see beautiful females in their twenties like Barbara Payton or Helena Carter throwing themselves at a pudgy old Jimmy Cagney in a movie such as Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @LP5

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    Perhaps but her natural peak relatively speaking is somewhere in the Himalayas, so she's still in the "death zone" at age thirty-six, and men (and apparently a few women too) will begin to die when they get near enough to her.

    There are, of course, many more equally beautiful women in daily life who didn't have Heard's combination of drive, sociopathy, and willingness to bend her morals to appeal to the likes of a Harvey Weinstein in order to advance a career in Hollywood.
  131. @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

    The Manic Pixie Dream Girl has long been a trope character; it was only in the 2000s it got named as such, and then acquired a negative connotation thanks to feminists whining that men shouldn’t get movies where such a girl is the prize.

    Historically, any bohemian or “free-spirited” young female love interest in a romantic comedy fits the archetype, as her free-spirit is supposed to liberate the dour male she clips on to.

    For example. Katherine Hepburn’s character in Bringing up Baby is of this type, despite it being very much not a traditional Katherine Hepburn role. Or Julia Roberts character in Pretty Woman, whose “earthy” ways charms the button-downed Richard Gere. Or even Diane Keaton’s roles in Woody Allen movies in the 70s, where her offbeat weirdness and dress made it both plausible she would fall for ugly mumbling Woody and also offset her gorgeous face and body (Keaton was truly a gorgeous woman, model-esque, but her acting made us all forget it).

    By the late 90s, the trope had acquired some Gen X themes, such as funkiness in terms of music, thrift-shop dressing, low income of the character, mental illness, and an emphasis on her being cute-but-not-overly-beautiful, which meant it was Winona’s time to shine. But she was nothing new, just a new spin on the trope.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  132. @ATate
    Time for my Johnny Depp story. He was in a show called 21 Jump Street. Look him up from that time, probably one of the most attractive men of our age.

    Anyway he came to my home town to film Benny and Joon. My now wife and her girlfriend went down to filming locations everyday. Finally got a chance to meet the good man and get a picture. Her friend is absolutely beaming in the picture! While my wife looks dejected, lol. Depp is generously listed at 5’9” no way he’s over 5’7”. My wife is 5’10” and she’s towering over him in the pic.

    Never meet your celebrity crush.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    Following the Boston Marathon bombing, it seemed that most of the Hollywood stars filming in the area would come to visit the survivors. A few of the survivors were my girlfriend’s patients. She said that none of the male stars who visited (she has photos of herself with the likes of Bradley Cooper and He Who Can’t Be Named, Kevin Spacey) could look her in the eye.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren't exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Return of Shawn, @aNewBanner

    Maybe Heard shouldn’t have gotten that nose job. Her new nose is an improvement but her old nose didn’t look bad.

    Apparently Brad Pitt went under the knife, getting his ears pinned.

  134. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    On the Conventional But Consistent vs. Erratic But Quirky dimension of leading man-dom, with Tom Cruise at one pole and Brad Pitt in the middle, Depp was at the Quirky pole.
     
    This guy has always been an enigma. He was on the precipice of a Tom Cruise-esque blockbuster movie star career in Hollywood while a breakout teen heartthrob on 21 Jump Street (one of the gems of early FOX programming). But instead of just becoming a leading man movie star, he sought out "challenging" roles and altered his image such that he came to be regarded as a weirdo.

    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise's immense success, he would probably now be a "remember that guy? what ever happened to him?" sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @R.G. Camara

    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise’s immense success, he would probably now be a “remember that guy? what ever happened to him?” sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.

    Sorry, are you insane?

    Tim Burton chose Johnny as his leading-man doppleganger in so many movies its shorter to list the Tim Burton films that don’t have Depp in them. And Burton, despite his weirdness, is consistently a box-office winner, so Depp was never out of the public’s eye. (The linking up of Depp and Burton has to be one of the most serendipitous long-term matches between director and actor of all time, right up there with Wayne/ Ford and DeNiro/ Scorcese.)

    If Pirates hadn’t hit it big, Depp would still have had a decade of success; its just more likely the younger generation wouldn’t know his name, or at least think of him as weird older guy as opposed to sexy pirate. Depp has always had an amazing knack for choosing weird, offbeat roles that nonetheless register at the box office, and as he’s gotten older he managed to hide his age quite well, mostly because he never relied on uber-sexy bodies or physical dominance to be a sex symbol, but rather his boyish face and soulful eyes and weird outfits that covered him up for the most part.

    Depp was rumored to be in line for a major Batman villain role in Chris Nolan’s films, and then in other superhero films. And everytime it was mentioned, people went nuts thinking it would be great (the Riddler was often the one people thought Depp would be).

    Grieco’s career peaked with 21 Jump Street in the 80s, after which he did direct-to-video schlock and cable-movie crap. The Night at the Roxbury made Greico a meme joke, which he took good naturedly, but really, comparing him to Depp is so, so off.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @R.G. Camara


    Sorry, are you insane?
     
    I don't know how to answer this. If I was insane, I probably wouldn't be the person to ask if you expected a reliable answer.

    Tim Burton chose Johnny as his leading-man doppleganger in so many movies its shorter to list the Tim Burton films that don’t have Depp in them. And Burton, despite his weirdness, is consistently a box-office winner, so Depp was never out of the public’s eye. (The linking up of Depp and Burton has to be one of the most serendipitous long-term matches between director and actor of all time, right up there with Wayne/ Ford and DeNiro/ Scorcese.)
     
    I didn't write that Depp didn't have a significant or successful film career, I wrote that Depp didn't pursue a leading man, box office bombshell, prime movie star career in the mold of Cruise and the like even though that route was clearly available to him beginning in the late 1980s following the success of his dreamboat Tom Hanson character in 21 Jump Street.

    If Pirates hadn’t hit it big, Depp would still have had a decade of success; its just more likely the younger generation wouldn’t know his name, or at least think of him as weird older guy as opposed to sexy pirate. Depp has always had an amazing knack for choosing weird, offbeat roles that nonetheless register at the box office, and as he’s gotten older he managed to hide his age quite well, mostly because he never relied on uber-sexy bodies or physical dominance to be a sex symbol, but rather his boyish face and soulful eyes and weird outfits that covered him up for the most part.
     
    It depends upon the definition of "success." If "success" means "remain a working actor in Hollywood for some time" it's a counterfactual but probably somewhat true barring the interference of his chemical addictions. If "success" means "became an indispensable star of a multi-decade box office blockbuster film franchise which spun off into games and other media requiring that he be paid for his image and likeness" then I would say that this is definitely not the case that he would have been "successful" in the absence of the Pirates franchise.

    I think there is a difference perhaps between a successful "actor" and a successful "movie star," and you're conflating the two by emphasizing the quality of Depp's work over the reach and remunerative value of being a "movie star." The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise made Depp a bona fide "movie star."
  135. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Sex is a part of it, certainly, but it is often surprising how many mediocre women are able to meet and hang onto high-value males simply by taking the time and trouble to make him feel important when he has his clothes on (which is most of the time).

    Ever hear of Pamela Harriman? By all accounts, she was no great beauty and was not particularly good in bed, yet she managed to marry quite wealthy and influential men who could keep her in style. Her secret seemed to consist largely of making her target-of-the-moment the sole focus of her attention; if he was in the room, her focus was on his needs, not her own. What kind of drink did the man like? Harriman made it her business to find out.

    I know it sounds simplistic, but you would be surprised the kind of results this sort of single-mindedness can obtain. Particularly in an age where women are self-absorbed at an absurd degree (even for women).

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  136. @Steve Sailer
    @Prof. Woland

    "I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit"

    Starlet, although I like "starlit."

    Johnny Depp really likes being a Movie Star, which is why he has money troubles. He's kind of the anti-Matt Damon. It's hard for a big name these days to not make enough money to cover expenses, you have to spend at a Nicolas Cage level (Nic is a Coppola so he wants every moment of his life to be magnificent), but Depp is one of the rare legends who manages.

    Johnny likes living large. For example, you'll notice that the top two or three actors in a movie will have their personal assistants listed in the credits. A few superstars will have two personal assistants. Depp had three personal assistants listed.

    A decade ago, Amber Heard looked like the proper consort for a Johnny Depp level superstar.

    The Depp abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that, knowin' he's out there. The Depp. Wasting his money for all us sinners.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @MGB

    I remember all the stories about Depp’s profligate spending, \$50k couches and stupid shit like that. I’d bet that if a forensic accountant got into it, you’d find some scumbag manager bleeding Depp dry. They’re always in the background somewhere, just like music industry.

  137. @S Johnson
    @S Johnson

    My sense is that hipsters proper (defined as the search for a more authentic, Walden-type existence plus cooler-than-thou left-wing politics and encapsulated in the micro-brewery) were more of a late 00s/early 10s phenomenon who’ve only been addressed fleetingly in movies by, e.g., Rogen and Samberg (and on TV by Fred Armisen’s “Portlandia”). The early Apatow school movies were more about the LA stoner/slacker type, just like early Sandler movies parodied 80s drivenness. Hollywood is usually a good 5-10 years behind the latest trends.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Hmmm. Attempting to rebut or at least complicate. You know, when sharks outside the “cat” subgroup stop swimming, they suffocate. I want you to keep swimming.

  138. @S Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Lisa Kudrow (who dated a young Conan O’Brien) played a comic relief version of the character in Friends from ‘94 on. And 90s star Alanis Morissette might have been the archetype. The emergence of the MPDG into leading-lady status in 00s films might be a reflection of the slower pace of the movie industry with guys who were single in the 90s finally getting to write and direct their own movies.

    Replies: @S Johnson, @J.Ross

    >he paid attention to Lisa Kudrow in the 90s
    Talk about filtered.

  139. @Anon
    It's a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard. Without makeup, she's an average blonde woman no one would look at twice who happens to have a very negative personality. It seems like those two men like a lot of drama in their lives.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7429551/Amber-Heard-goes-makeup-free-lawyers-office-amid-defamation-lawsuit-ex-Johnny-Depp.html

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anon, @Henry's Cat, @R.G. Camara

    It’s a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard.

    She gave him the most mindblowing sex of his life for 6-12 months and understood and used his mommy-insecurity issues to manipulate him for the rest.

    Top-level sociopath. This woman would have any man who fell for her charms begging for mercy.

  140. At the root of anything ‘gendery’ is that a whole lot of “feminist” women really expect to have it both ways:

    1) They nominally want “you go girl” “equality” and being able to imagine themselves as “butt kicking babes smashing their way to the top in the boardroom or bedroom …

    but also

    2) Expect all traditional protections and deference Western societies give to women as “the weaker sex” including men being supposed to dial it back and not engage women in direct male-male style conflict not just physical but also verbal and including them being entitled to be the ‘victim’ role in any relationship dispute and entitled to the house, kids, the money, bundles of alimony and all the sympathy.

    Feminism does not mean “we women are entitled to the same basic rights as men”. It means “we women are an oppressed victim group and men must give us stuff and not be mean.” Sort of a ‘sexual nobility’. Or perpetual childhood.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Yes, the idea is that women (including white women) should get treat as sort of junior Negroes who get extra special treatment - as Steve says, above criticism (that would make them cwy), but beneath agency. If you look at where women in STEM fields who truly excel come from, it is often places like E. Europe and Iran where women get no special breaks at all.

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    At the root of anything ‘gendery’ is that a whole lot of “feminist” women really expect to have it both ways:

    Like Murphy's Law and the Peter Principle, 'feminism' has a short hand definition and an elaborate (perhaps more amusing) definition. The short-hand is 'women have options; men have obligations'.

    The feminist exemplar is Sandra Fluke (a woman whose attitudes were surely not learned in the small town in Pennsylvania where she was raised and who differs notably from her accomplished younger sister).

  141. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/estrogen-in-waterways/
    Same reason the frogs are gay. You were warned and you're still not filtering the water or dropping the I. Manufactured famine inbound, a generation of American men will be shorter and weaker.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The dose makes the poison, especially if you are not a frog embryo that lives in the water. The people at that filter link are selling fancy filters that are more than you need.

    A simple inline activated carbon filter should suffice to remove estrogen (and most other contaminants) from drinking water. These are easy to install in the 1/4″ water line leading to your ice maker and fridge water dispenser (if you have these things). Don’t use the ones built into the fridge – they are costly in relation to the amount of carbon that you get. You can (and should) also install them leading to a separate drinking water tap at your sink. You have to keep changing the filter at the recommended interval.

    If your budget or setup doesn’t permit inline filters, you can get a faucet mounted filter or even use those pitcher (Brita) filters. This should suffice if your water source is a utility. Well water can be a different story. Utility water is already treated (somewhat) and its biggest defect is usually that it is full of chlorine. A carbon filter gets rid of that too so it doesn’t taste like you are drinking from a swimming pool. And for god’s sake, stop buying those little water bottles – what a total waste of \$. 99% of the time they are just filled with filtered tap water. Filter your own tap water for a couple of pennies per gallon.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  142. Doubt Depp gets much in a way of a settlement, but he might get his career back. As for Heard, she would have come off better playing a plain old alpha bitch instead of a whining one.

  143. @AnotherDad
    At the root of anything 'gendery' is that a whole lot of "feminist" women really expect to have it both ways:

    1) They nominally want "you go girl" "equality" and being able to imagine themselves as "butt kicking babes smashing their way to the top in the boardroom or bedroom ...

    but also

    2) Expect all traditional protections and deference Western societies give to women as "the weaker sex" including men being supposed to dial it back and not engage women in direct male-male style conflict not just physical but also verbal and including them being entitled to be the 'victim' role in any relationship dispute and entitled to the house, kids, the money, bundles of alimony and all the sympathy.


    Feminism does not mean "we women are entitled to the same basic rights as men". It means "we women are an oppressed victim group and men must give us stuff and not be mean." Sort of a 'sexual nobility'. Or perpetual childhood.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Yes, the idea is that women (including white women) should get treat as sort of junior Negroes who get extra special treatment – as Steve says, above criticism (that would make them cwy), but beneath agency. If you look at where women in STEM fields who truly excel come from, it is often places like E. Europe and Iran where women get no special breaks at all.

  144. @Jack D
    @Henry's Cat

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Women of all other ages use artifices such as makeup in order to trick men into thinking that they are also of prime age and if you see them without their trick getups they are no longer attractive. (Even women of prime age use makeup to appear more attractive but the most attractive ones can get away without it when they are prime age).

    Maybe dress codes are less formal in LA - even for a meeting with her lawyers, Heard looks under-prepared, like she rolled out of bed and went straight to the lawyer's office. If I had to guess, she was up late partying the night before and woke up late and ran right out without even minimal prep. This was a subtle way of dissing her lawyers - "I am a movie star whose status is higher than mere lawyers so I don't have to get dressed up for you any more than I have to get dressed up to see my cleaning lady."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G., @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    This ought to be pretty much the most obvious thing in the world–ok, maybe after “we must eat” and “we must see off the invaders”–that all women are brutally aware of.

    But one of the weird things in our society now, is that a bunch of women seem to be in real denial of this. They are 35 and awesome!

    I do not know if these media women are part of the giant propaganda push to deny the basic fact that the single critical aspect of any society’s norms and culture must be that they reproduce the society. Or whether it is simply that so many women–especially these media careerist gals–having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.

    Clearly it is at least some of both. But I think more the former. They grasp reality, but its “unfairness” makes them mad, and they see their duty in railing against it–and denying it to convince gullible women that biological reality is an insidious stale pale male plot.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I think most people subconsciously realize the world and specifically our society is overpopulated, and so they see nothing wrong with a woman waiting until after 30 or even 35 to marry and breed, even if most women do start to feel a little bit pressed for time by that age. Whereas if we were in a society with high mortality, teenage marriage and a large number of kids would be the norm

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad

    The point is that it's not just the Western civilization, but the entire technologically developed world.

    In the US- not so much elsewhere- there are tons of usual tropes (patriarchy, #metoo, glass ceiling, "have it all", unnatural divorce practice, ...). But in the far east fertility is much lower & many aspects of life are simply lunatic.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30574801

    Japan: 'Solo weddings' for single women

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211216000079

    Marriages down 43%, births 64% in Seoul over 20 years

    So, ideology or way of life follows technology.

    Perhaps the developed world is in a period of civilizational transition where there would be no need for as many people & most of the third world would be, literally, "useless eaters".

    Having in mind that somewhere between 20% and 50% of females in the developed world will never become mothers, this poses question about human nature & "maternal instinct", beyond brainwashed females (immaturity, unrealistic expectations, extreme feminist ideology,..) in the Western affluent societies.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad

    "Or whether it is simply that so many women–especially these media careerist gals–having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality."

    Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett, previously a typically airheaded Guardianistette who wrote stuff like this:

    "Trump's presidency was met with fierce feminist resistance. We must cling to it"

    "Rethinking fairytales as feminist fables is rescuing them, not ruining them"

    Has made a remarkably frank confession after becoming a mother:

    "Everything I thought before the birth of my son now feels naive and misinformed"

  145. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Harry seems very similar to his great great uncle Edward, who also had severe insecurities stemming from his parents, and who also married a middle aged, divorced, social-climbing American. But I have heard a convincing claim put forth that Wallis did not really want to marry Edward but felt pressured to marry him by his alleged threats of suicide. Of course, all the evidence we have is letters written by long-dead people. Whereas with Meghan, it is completely clear that she is a predatory sociopath. I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family’s dirty secrets. Well, now it’s clear they didn’t gain anything through appeasement.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @AndrewR


    . I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family’s dirty secrets. Well, now it’s clear they didn’t gain anything through appeasement.
     
    I think the Queen didn't have or seek the control over Harry that she did over Charles and William, being as he's the second son, likely not Charles's, and has very little chance of being on the throne. Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    So Harry was pretty much ended up a rich spoiled party boy-mama's boy and when mama died he went all to shit and acted out. Marrying a black actress who's already divorced and past her prime seems like a major mommy issue/cry for attention from the son who never got any discipline or love from his father's side. I think they let him marry her because they just didn't care, just like they didn't care about Andrew going to Epstein Island until it got on the news.

    Black sheep in that family, if they keep it out of the news, tend to be treated ok.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @AndrewR

    Why doesn't Boris do something about this? Direct the Special Air Service commandos to repatriate Harry and Archie, placing Harry in the Tower of London for deprogramming and annulling the marriage by Act of Parliament?

    If Parliament back then had a voice in the whole matter with Edward, why cannot the current PM straighten out the current crisis by taking the actions I am suggesting?

  146. @Anon
    @Anon

    Are you kidding me?


    How can you people not realize that her blonde hair is fake?

    Stop falling for the fake blonde scam. Her hlond hair is no more real than Johnny Depp's.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Bill

    I think she looked kind of hot as Mera with her hair bright red.

  147. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    This ought to be pretty much the most obvious thing in the world--ok, maybe after "we must eat" and "we must see off the invaders"--that all women are brutally aware of.

    But one of the weird things in our society now, is that a bunch of women seem to be in real denial of this. They are 35 and awesome!

    I do not know if these media women are part of the giant propaganda push to deny the basic fact that the single critical aspect of any society's norms and culture must be that they reproduce the society. Or whether it is simply that so many women--especially these media careerist gals--having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.

    Clearly it is at least some of both. But I think more the former. They grasp reality, but its "unfairness" makes them mad, and they see their duty in railing against it--and denying it to convince gullible women that biological reality is an insidious stale pale male plot.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    I think most people subconsciously realize the world and specifically our society is overpopulated, and so they see nothing wrong with a woman waiting until after 30 or even 35 to marry and breed, even if most women do start to feel a little bit pressed for time by that age. Whereas if we were in a society with high mortality, teenage marriage and a large number of kids would be the norm

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  148. Hmm. I notice that this piece has Interesting Uses of Capitalization.

  149. @marco-polo
    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women. Only a year or two ago female sentiment, towards abuse accusations, was to believe the woman and disparage legal process. Now the mood of woman at the trial is one of protection of Johnny and hatred and contempt for his former wife. This trial is very public and I would like to think that the mood reflects a society that's trying to be more grown up in dealing with modern gender conflicts.

    Other than that, not being much interested in movie stars, the trial put him on my radar and I was surprised to find out that Johnny Depp played Edward in Edward Scissor Hands and the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, movies I have enjoyed. While the trial shows his life to be a bit screwball, he nonetheless comes across as a genuinely good person and having a certain charisma. You characterize him as washed up, but I suspect, with the interest in him generated by the trial and his existing talent, his career may have future surprises in store.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Spangel226, @Paul Mendez, @ginger bread man

    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women

    .

    Probably had crushes on him when they were tweens.

  150. @R.G. Camara
    @Spangel226


    neotonous beauty
     
    Amber heard does not have neotenous beauty. While she is good-looking, she has a hard, masculine look with a hard jawline.Teenage girl she does not come off as, more like a femme fatal (as Steve has put it) or a harder biker chick (if she had a bunch of tattoos). Its no wonder she's publicly bisexual.

    She probably would've been a better fit for Captain Marvel than the less-pretty Bree Larson, but again the script and the movie were trash, so she couldn't have saved it.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Agree totally.

    Heard clearly has that kind angular chiseled look you get from females whose Testosterone/Estrogen ratio is “off.”

    Is physiognomy real? You bet it is.

    You look at her, and you think, “wow, in the sack it must be an earthquake level experience.” She’s the sort you should only take a dip in, as James Franco apparently did.

    It’s always hazardous to take psychologists seriously, but the bits I heard of Depp’s psychologist’s profile of Heard, Heard has serious abandonment issues. Again, when your sex drive is through the roof, and handsome guys are easy to come by, and they pump and dump because they recognize that you are “off”…well it exacerbates the inherent craziness.

    Because with all that pretzel twisting in the sack comes the vacillating drama that is made even worse by the obvious BPD, which, like a lot of things biological, is either causally or correlatively linked to this hormonal imbalance.

    Those who diss her “attractiveness” should look at her figure. It’s pretty good.

  151. @notsaying
    @JimDandy

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @dearieme, @JimDandy, @Ben tillman

    Which accuser are you speaking of? The serial liar who claimed that he briefly drunkenly wrestled with her at a party in high school? Or the ludicrous creature the now-disgraced Michael Avenatti pushed on us until she essentially recanted on NBC news?

  152. @Jack D
    @Henry's Cat

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Women of all other ages use artifices such as makeup in order to trick men into thinking that they are also of prime age and if you see them without their trick getups they are no longer attractive. (Even women of prime age use makeup to appear more attractive but the most attractive ones can get away without it when they are prime age).

    Maybe dress codes are less formal in LA - even for a meeting with her lawyers, Heard looks under-prepared, like she rolled out of bed and went straight to the lawyer's office. If I had to guess, she was up late partying the night before and woke up late and ran right out without even minimal prep. This was a subtle way of dissing her lawyers - "I am a movie star whose status is higher than mere lawyers so I don't have to get dressed up for you any more than I have to get dressed up to see my cleaning lady."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G., @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Actresses develop a reputation as beautiful and then keep that reputation even after their looks have started to decline as they age. I’ve seen actresses in their late thirties like Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez or Angelina Jolie make most beautiful women in the world lists. Compare photos of these older actresses with photos of younger versions of themselves. Most guys would pick the younger versions as more attractive. Most guys are instinctively most attracted to women in a fairly narrow age range. One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.

    Successful older actresses sometimes continue to pick sex symbol roles because it appeals to their vanity. This happens with male movie stars too. I watch a lot of old movies and it is common to see male movie actors of the nineteen thirties like Jimmy Cagney, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart and Gary Cooper still playing romantic leads in nineteen fifties movies. It somehow ruins the believability of a movie for me when I see beautiful females in their twenties like Barbara Payton or Helena Carter throwing themselves at a pudgy old Jimmy Cagney in a movie such as Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Mark G.

    Cary Grant used to fight with studios not to make him a romantic lead later in his career, feeling that having the young leading ladies paired up with him seemed ridiculous. But Grant was eternally sexually popular as a screen idol, and none of his female fans saw any problem with a 22 year old girl wanting to be with a 50 year old version of Cary Grant --- since many of the 22 year olds really did want him.

    This friction caused Grant to pass on two movies tailor-made to pair him with Audrey Hepburn: Roman Holiday (which Gregory Peck took) and Love in the Afternoon (which Gary Cooper took). Hepburn was the actress everyone thought Grant should be paired with in his late film career (including Hepburn, who relished the idea of working with Grant), but Grant thought Hepburn was ridiculously too young for him and also too young looking.

    It wasn't until the classic film Charade that Grant was convinced to allow himself to be paired with Hepburn---but only if the film depicted Hepburn chasing Grant, not the other way around. The studio allowed it, and the rest is film history.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6T2Q4XO7uA

    , @LP5
    @Mark G.

    Mark G writes:


    One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.
     
    If you can stand it, look at the homepage of Yahoo. There are news feed stories about this or that actress or Instagram influence trying to get attention. Those stories seem to put the lie to all the equality and take-seriously articles.
  153. Maybe Amber is just a psycho slut Lesbian with borderline personality issues…..

  154. Dmon says:
    @Prof. Woland
    @Mr. Blank

    My wife is much more comfortable with men than women in many respects. For example, she vastly prefers a male doctor or dentist and respects male authority figures. She does not try to compete with men and she is much more hostile or adversarial with other women v men. She is also extreme regarding sexual polarity gravitating to identifying and behaving feminine while expecting me to be the man in the family. As a man, it is much better than the other way around.

    So many women now try to wear the pants in the relationship but just can't. Even a woman like Amber Herd has her limits. I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch. They would be happier and so would Amber.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @David Jones, @Steve Sailer, @Dmon

    Men like Depp don’t go after attractive women without fame or money because of Michelle Triola and palimony. As Lee Marvin said ruefully, “Never shack up with someone who gets lower billing than you do”. Also, any non-famous attractive woman who happens to turn up somewhere where Johnny Depp is present is more than likely a shakedown artist.

  155. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is usually associated with 2000s star Zooey Deschanel, whose father Caleb is a spectacular cinematographer ("Black Stallion," "The Right Stuff," "The Natural," "The Passion of the Christ"). He was one of the cohort associated with FF Coppola and George Lucas, alone with Walter Murch.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @40 Lashes Less One

    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl

    father Caleb
    FF Coppola
    George Lucas
    Walter Murch

    focus, Steve, we’re talkin’ pussy here

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That's a Mexican-pattern made-up Instagram whore, not a MPDG.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  156. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    This ought to be pretty much the most obvious thing in the world--ok, maybe after "we must eat" and "we must see off the invaders"--that all women are brutally aware of.

    But one of the weird things in our society now, is that a bunch of women seem to be in real denial of this. They are 35 and awesome!

    I do not know if these media women are part of the giant propaganda push to deny the basic fact that the single critical aspect of any society's norms and culture must be that they reproduce the society. Or whether it is simply that so many women--especially these media careerist gals--having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.

    Clearly it is at least some of both. But I think more the former. They grasp reality, but its "unfairness" makes them mad, and they see their duty in railing against it--and denying it to convince gullible women that biological reality is an insidious stale pale male plot.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    The point is that it’s not just the Western civilization, but the entire technologically developed world.

    In the US- not so much elsewhere- there are tons of usual tropes (patriarchy, #metoo, glass ceiling, “have it all”, unnatural divorce practice, …). But in the far east fertility is much lower & many aspects of life are simply lunatic.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30574801

    Japan: ‘Solo weddings’ for single women

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211216000079

    Marriages down 43%, births 64% in Seoul over 20 years

    So, ideology or way of life follows technology.

    Perhaps the developed world is in a period of civilizational transition where there would be no need for as many people & most of the third world would be, literally, “useless eaters”.

    Having in mind that somewhere between 20% and 50% of females in the developed world will never become mothers, this poses question about human nature & “maternal instinct”, beyond brainwashed females (immaturity, unrealistic expectations, extreme feminist ideology,..) in the Western affluent societies.

  157. @Cagey Beast
    @Altai

    "The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it’s already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years."

    Dingy chicks ruthlessly enforcing norms they just invented, being totally blind to their own flaws and outraged when others point out what self-absorbed hypocrites they are. That's the West at the moment:

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1527309997213769730?s=20&t=2Su2MbRMfc94T9baekcT4A

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Nina was part of a cluster of American journalists and security state bureaucrats working for an outfit called Integrity Initiative. Chartered in Scotland, HQ’d in London, managed by MI6, and directly funded by by Steve’s favorite institution, NATO. The Integrity Initiative was supposedly a quasi-journalistic endeavor tasked with the mission of countering Russian disinformation. In reality, the I.I. was a spook shop that dabbled in the internal affairs of NATO members — to keep them on the UK/USA script. The I.I. was yet another NGO used as cover by MI6 and CIA. The fact that she was sent to Ukraine in 2019 to help Steve’s favorite Slavic puppet of Davos Man speaks to her status as an agent of NATO skullduggery. Which is belied by her unhinged behavior on social media. It must be difficult for Gen X intelligence chiefs to keep their millennial and zoomer agents and officers from sabotaging themselves in a burst of narcissism on social media. For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb".

    Yes these legacy hires somehow manage to be just as badly stuck in the last century as their parents. I guess they had the world explained to them (and handed to them) by their well-connected parents, who were mentally stuck in the Blair-Bush-Clinton 90's until Trump and Brexit hit them between the eyes in 2016. They all still think they can make their opponents irrelevant and their allies invulnerable simply by crafting the narrative on cable news and the prestige press.

    Like Tony Soprano, these Millenial power kids inherited something that was already dying when they got there.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  158. @aNewBanner
    It’s really interesting how much of reporting is just one reporter telling other reporters what not to report.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Or, at the NYT, this bio:

    Ms. Bennett is a contributing editor in Opinion who writes on gender, politics and culture.

    Every page, every writer, every “editor” writes on gender, politics and culture. I’m surprised they don’t describe who the contributor is sleeping with–the only way to distinguish amongst them…

  159. I seem to recall Depp as a principal on a cop show which was one the Fox network’s early efforts. Never heard of the dame.

    He seems to trade in his sidepiece at six year intervals (in addition to whatever’s up off the books). The latest is 20-odd years his junior. Evidently AC-DC.

    Oh no. His daughter’s in the business.

    Let the dead bury the dead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Art Deco

    Are you thinking of Twenty One Jump Street? I recall Depp playing a narc. It was on in the 80s. Was kinda lame.

  160. @notsaying
    I have not been paying close attention. I thought the testimony of psychologist who diagnosed Heard with two conditions and that she flat out lied about paying all charity money meant she was the one with biggest problems. But then the most recent testimony of his old agent and Ellen Barkin puts Depp in a very bad light.

    I do not know. I do not know if we will ever know.

    Often the passage of time is revealing but sometimes not. I still don't know who was lying: Anita Hill or Justice Thomas. I figured if he made nasty comments to her, he did to other women too (not necessarily at work) but no one else has ever said boo about him, on or off the job. That his wife Ginny feels free to use his position to her own advantage, engages in very partisan politics and called Anita Hill to ask her to "confess" are all negatives that speak poorly of him in my eyes but have nothing to do with the unanswered he said/she said question.

    The older I get, the more I dislike these he said/she said situations where you just can never know.

    We may have two big liars and one rapist on our Supreme Court. That is pretty intolerable as an idea yet the Thomas situation has been going on for more than a generation. I would never want to be a juror on a case where you just didn't know. How do you live knowing you were a liar and hurt people or lied against and not believed for decades? I sure hope nobody I know ever has to find out.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Forbes

    I do not know.

    Yes, that we do know.

  161. @AnotherDad
    At the root of anything 'gendery' is that a whole lot of "feminist" women really expect to have it both ways:

    1) They nominally want "you go girl" "equality" and being able to imagine themselves as "butt kicking babes smashing their way to the top in the boardroom or bedroom ...

    but also

    2) Expect all traditional protections and deference Western societies give to women as "the weaker sex" including men being supposed to dial it back and not engage women in direct male-male style conflict not just physical but also verbal and including them being entitled to be the 'victim' role in any relationship dispute and entitled to the house, kids, the money, bundles of alimony and all the sympathy.


    Feminism does not mean "we women are entitled to the same basic rights as men". It means "we women are an oppressed victim group and men must give us stuff and not be mean." Sort of a 'sexual nobility'. Or perpetual childhood.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    At the root of anything ‘gendery’ is that a whole lot of “feminist” women really expect to have it both ways:

    Like Murphy’s Law and the Peter Principle, ‘feminism’ has a short hand definition and an elaborate (perhaps more amusing) definition. The short-hand is ‘women have options; men have obligations’.

    The feminist exemplar is Sandra Fluke (a woman whose attitudes were surely not learned in the small town in Pennsylvania where she was raised and who differs notably from her accomplished younger sister).

  162. @Steve Sailer
    @S. Anonyia

    Does it help pretty actresses to have one flaw? Maybe they get to be leading ladies in rom-coms and the like if they aren't exactly perfect, so women identify with them? Or are there no more rom-coms?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Return of Shawn, @aNewBanner

    It helps them to be memorable. Scarlett Johansson is chubby for a Hollywood actress, though not for a standard American woman. Jennifer Lawrence regularly makes a fool of herself. Anne Hathaway has a mouth that’s too big for her face. Julia Roberts is toothy.

    As a husband, my wife can mention Keira Knightley in a conversation, and I can remark about how skinny and underfed she looks, whereas, if she had mentioned Jessica Alba, I would just need to stare at her uncomfortably.

    • Replies: @S Johnson
    @aNewBanner

    To headline your own movies as a female star you have to reach a point where men are attracted to you and women want to be your friend. That’s a tricky line to balance; it’s probably what held Sharon Stone and Charlize Theron back from reaching the next level, or Anne Hathaway from properly graduating from women’s pictures. Jennifer Lawrence was almost there but she seems a bit too much like the slutty friend who might steal your boyfriend. It’s also notable that Taylor Swift’s female fanbase almost turned against her when she tried to make herself into a sex symbol back in around 2017. Perhaps only Julia Roberts and Drew Barrymore have got there recently.

  163. Take three minutes to watch the the Jason Momoa testimony:

    (yes it’s fake, but it’s the best acting Momoa has ever done)

  164. @Steve Sailer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before "Pirates of the Caribbean," was of a Brad Pitt movie, "The Mexican," in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with "Pirates," but on the other hand, he'd done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before “Pirates of the Caribbean,” was of a Brad Pitt movie, “The Mexican,” in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with “Pirates,” but on the other hand, he’d done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.

    My perception was that Depp’s catalog of work post 21 Jump Street was more popular with the critic class than broadly popular with audiences. (Recall that he had a bit part in Platoon before 21 Jump Street). Edward Scissorhands was just a weird project for a would-be leading man to take on early in his career – it did experience come box office success.

    The good fortune of the Captain Jack Sparrow role for Depp was that it was a synthesis of the weird, off-beat characters he prefers and a huge moneymaking franchise with multiple sequels in which his appearance was necessary (which would be most likely with the leading man roles he had shunned previously). If someone had told you that Depp was drunk and zonked out on percocets while filming the Pirates of the Caribbean series, you wouldn’t doubt it. He just got to be himself, drunken and drugged up, impersonating Keith Richards and made a boat load of money doing it while filming in paradisaical tropical locations. I suppose there’s a place where you could look it up, but I’d wager that he probably made much, much more from Captain Jack Sparrow and its aftermath than in all of the films he’d made up to that point.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    His Tonto in that Long Ranger reboot would be an example of the limits of where you could take that kind of approach to a role. Like Hunter Thompson (a friend that he also played on screen) its seems like he's a one trick pony. Perhaps like Joan Crawford being dropped by Warner's, he might re-configure his career, who knows.

  165. @Art Deco
    I seem to recall Depp as a principal on a cop show which was one the Fox network's early efforts. Never heard of the dame.

    He seems to trade in his sidepiece at six year intervals (in addition to whatever's up off the books). The latest is 20-odd years his junior. Evidently AC-DC.

    Oh no. His daughter's in the business.

    Let the dead bury the dead.

    Replies: @Anon

    Are you thinking of Twenty One Jump Street? I recall Depp playing a narc. It was on in the 80s. Was kinda lame.

  166. @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    People who direct or star in a memorable movie often aren't just talented professionals. Instead, their biggest hit tapped something inside of them.

    And then they develop that aspect of themselves that was uncovered. In "Ed Wood," for instance, Martin Landau plays an elderly Bela Lugosi who is sort of turning into Dracula after all these years of playing him.

    Replies: @Anon

    I thought Ed Wood was Depp’s best film. The others he made were underwhelming.

  167. @Jack D
    @Henry's Cat

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Women of all other ages use artifices such as makeup in order to trick men into thinking that they are also of prime age and if you see them without their trick getups they are no longer attractive. (Even women of prime age use makeup to appear more attractive but the most attractive ones can get away without it when they are prime age).

    Maybe dress codes are less formal in LA - even for a meeting with her lawyers, Heard looks under-prepared, like she rolled out of bed and went straight to the lawyer's office. If I had to guess, she was up late partying the night before and woke up late and ran right out without even minimal prep. This was a subtle way of dissing her lawyers - "I am a movie star whose status is higher than mere lawyers so I don't have to get dressed up for you any more than I have to get dressed up to see my cleaning lady."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G., @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.

    Perhaps but her natural peak relatively speaking is somewhere in the Himalayas, so she’s still in the “death zone” at age thirty-six, and men (and apparently a few women too) will begin to die when they get near enough to her.

    There are, of course, many more equally beautiful women in daily life who didn’t have Heard’s combination of drive, sociopathy, and willingness to bend her morals to appeal to the likes of a Harvey Weinstein in order to advance a career in Hollywood.

  168. @AndrewR
    @R.G. Camara

    Harry seems very similar to his great great uncle Edward, who also had severe insecurities stemming from his parents, and who also married a middle aged, divorced, social-climbing American. But I have heard a convincing claim put forth that Wallis did not really want to marry Edward but felt pressured to marry him by his alleged threats of suicide. Of course, all the evidence we have is letters written by long-dead people. Whereas with Meghan, it is completely clear that she is a predatory sociopath. I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family's dirty secrets. Well, now it's clear they didn't gain anything through appeasement.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Inquiring Mind

    . I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family’s dirty secrets. Well, now it’s clear they didn’t gain anything through appeasement.

    I think the Queen didn’t have or seek the control over Harry that she did over Charles and William, being as he’s the second son, likely not Charles’s, and has very little chance of being on the throne. Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    So Harry was pretty much ended up a rich spoiled party boy-mama’s boy and when mama died he went all to shit and acted out. Marrying a black actress who’s already divorced and past her prime seems like a major mommy issue/cry for attention from the son who never got any discipline or love from his father’s side. I think they let him marry her because they just didn’t care, just like they didn’t care about Andrew going to Epstein Island until it got on the news.

    Black sheep in that family, if they keep it out of the news, tend to be treated ok.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    being as he’s the second son, likely not Charles’s,

    Again, the people who are willing to go on the record deny this.


    Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Since when do Brits dote on any of their children?



    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    Andrew was in the military for 20 years, Harry for 10. Harry is a combat veteran.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  169. @dearieme
    @notsaying

    I must say I don't like the cut of Kavanaugh's jib. But his accuser came across as deranged.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    She did not come across as deranged at all. She and her handlers came across as calculating (but obvious) liars. See the ancillary mess about her supposed fear of flying and her fake little girl voice. And see the core problem: neither Ford, nor her handlers, nor the news media could come up with an old Polaroid or a sworn affidavit that would provide evidence that she’d ever met either of the young men she accused; they couldn’t even assemble a circumstantial argument based on where they lived or the schools to which the three families in question had sent their children.

    No clue why you’ve confused Kavanaugh with Norman St. John Stevas.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    There was another accuser (represented by Avenatti) who accused him of gangrape and came across as deranged on TV because she is 100% deranged.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  170. @Luddite in Chief
    @R.G. Camara


    Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said “Winona Forever”
     
    Should you ever tire of looking at your current squeeze, just get a tattoo with her name on it. I don't know what it is (does the scent of the ink act as a repellent?), but it does seem that 8 times out of 10, she will be out the door practically before the ink is dry.

    (Perhaps I hang out with a hard-luck crowd?)

    Short of bankruptcy, I am not aware of surer way to see the back of your beloved than having her name indelibly written on you. There are few certainties in this life, but that seems to be one of them.

    (If there's a fellow you don't like, and he has a woman's name on his arm, casually ask him about his tattoo. You will instantly get an earful.)

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Should you ever tire of looking at your current squeeze, just get a tattoo with her name on it. I don’t know what it is (does the scent of the ink act as a repellent?), but it does seem that 8 times out of 10, she will be out the door practically before the ink is dry.

    You have just tattooed your master’s name on your skin for all the world to see. It says directly to the woman that she has absolute control over you. There’s no more mystery with you or power struggle; she has won. As a result, she’s no longer interested in you; you have been tamed.

    Plus when guy’s do it its almost always right after a long drawn out fight where she drops major hints she’s leaving (and she’s doing so because she’s completely controlling him, which makes her miserable). The tattoo, which he thinks is a sign of love, actually smells cravenly desperate.

  171. @R.G. Camara
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Without the serendipity of a quite peculiar role in Pirates of the Caribbean, and the franchise’s immense success, he would probably now be a “remember that guy? what ever happened to him?” sort of persona like his 21 Jump Street replacement Richard Grieco.
     
    Sorry, are you insane?

    Tim Burton chose Johnny as his leading-man doppleganger in so many movies its shorter to list the Tim Burton films that don't have Depp in them. And Burton, despite his weirdness, is consistently a box-office winner, so Depp was never out of the public's eye. (The linking up of Depp and Burton has to be one of the most serendipitous long-term matches between director and actor of all time, right up there with Wayne/ Ford and DeNiro/ Scorcese.)

    If Pirates hadn't hit it big, Depp would still have had a decade of success; its just more likely the younger generation wouldn't know his name, or at least think of him as weird older guy as opposed to sexy pirate. Depp has always had an amazing knack for choosing weird, offbeat roles that nonetheless register at the box office, and as he's gotten older he managed to hide his age quite well, mostly because he never relied on uber-sexy bodies or physical dominance to be a sex symbol, but rather his boyish face and soulful eyes and weird outfits that covered him up for the most part.

    Depp was rumored to be in line for a major Batman villain role in Chris Nolan's films, and then in other superhero films. And everytime it was mentioned, people went nuts thinking it would be great (the Riddler was often the one people thought Depp would be).

    Grieco's career peaked with 21 Jump Street in the 80s, after which he did direct-to-video schlock and cable-movie crap. The Night at the Roxbury made Greico a meme joke, which he took good naturedly, but really, comparing him to Depp is so, so off.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Sorry, are you insane?

    I don’t know how to answer this. If I was insane, I probably wouldn’t be the person to ask if you expected a reliable answer.

    Tim Burton chose Johnny as his leading-man doppleganger in so many movies its shorter to list the Tim Burton films that don’t have Depp in them. And Burton, despite his weirdness, is consistently a box-office winner, so Depp was never out of the public’s eye. (The linking up of Depp and Burton has to be one of the most serendipitous long-term matches between director and actor of all time, right up there with Wayne/ Ford and DeNiro/ Scorcese.)

    I didn’t write that Depp didn’t have a significant or successful film career, I wrote that Depp didn’t pursue a leading man, box office bombshell, prime movie star career in the mold of Cruise and the like even though that route was clearly available to him beginning in the late 1980s following the success of his dreamboat Tom Hanson character in 21 Jump Street.

    If Pirates hadn’t hit it big, Depp would still have had a decade of success; its just more likely the younger generation wouldn’t know his name, or at least think of him as weird older guy as opposed to sexy pirate. Depp has always had an amazing knack for choosing weird, offbeat roles that nonetheless register at the box office, and as he’s gotten older he managed to hide his age quite well, mostly because he never relied on uber-sexy bodies or physical dominance to be a sex symbol, but rather his boyish face and soulful eyes and weird outfits that covered him up for the most part.

    It depends upon the definition of “success.” If “success” means “remain a working actor in Hollywood for some time” it’s a counterfactual but probably somewhat true barring the interference of his chemical addictions. If “success” means “became an indispensable star of a multi-decade box office blockbuster film franchise which spun off into games and other media requiring that he be paid for his image and likeness” then I would say that this is definitely not the case that he would have been “successful” in the absence of the Pirates franchise.

    I think there is a difference perhaps between a successful “actor” and a successful “movie star,” and you’re conflating the two by emphasizing the quality of Depp’s work over the reach and remunerative value of being a “movie star.” The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise made Depp a bona fide “movie star.”

  172. @Mark G.
    @Jack D


    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    Actresses develop a reputation as beautiful and then keep that reputation even after their looks have started to decline as they age. I've seen actresses in their late thirties like Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez or Angelina Jolie make most beautiful women in the world lists. Compare photos of these older actresses with photos of younger versions of themselves. Most guys would pick the younger versions as more attractive. Most guys are instinctively most attracted to women in a fairly narrow age range. One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.

    Successful older actresses sometimes continue to pick sex symbol roles because it appeals to their vanity. This happens with male movie stars too. I watch a lot of old movies and it is common to see male movie actors of the nineteen thirties like Jimmy Cagney, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart and Gary Cooper still playing romantic leads in nineteen fifties movies. It somehow ruins the believability of a movie for me when I see beautiful females in their twenties like Barbara Payton or Helena Carter throwing themselves at a pudgy old Jimmy Cagney in a movie such as Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @LP5

    Cary Grant used to fight with studios not to make him a romantic lead later in his career, feeling that having the young leading ladies paired up with him seemed ridiculous. But Grant was eternally sexually popular as a screen idol, and none of his female fans saw any problem with a 22 year old girl wanting to be with a 50 year old version of Cary Grant — since many of the 22 year olds really did want him.

    This friction caused Grant to pass on two movies tailor-made to pair him with Audrey Hepburn: Roman Holiday (which Gregory Peck took) and Love in the Afternoon (which Gary Cooper took). Hepburn was the actress everyone thought Grant should be paired with in his late film career (including Hepburn, who relished the idea of working with Grant), but Grant thought Hepburn was ridiculously too young for him and also too young looking.

    It wasn’t until the classic film Charade that Grant was convinced to allow himself to be paired with Hepburn—but only if the film depicted Hepburn chasing Grant, not the other way around. The studio allowed it, and the rest is film history.

  173. @Mike Tre
    OT - the Florida State Seminoles Softball team, comprised of mostly tall attractive blondes (including one Sydney Sherrill, who might be the best 3rd baseman in NCAA D1 softball history) completely trounced the historically black Howard University 8 - 0 after 4 1/2 innings (slaughter rule applies after 4 innings if one team is up by 8 or more runs) in the 1st round of what is essentially the first round of the playoffs for the NCAA WCWS.

    https://youtu.be/cAUCvzylEvM

    Replies: @diva, @No jack London

    Compare the photos. Except for four, all Howard girls could pass, most are Ca Chicanas. FSU has more clearly authentic blacks on team.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @No jack London

    You have to be kidding me. 15 of the 26 players on the Howard team are undeniably black. 5-6 of the remaining are Puerto Rican or Dominican, meaning they are half black. 2 players are white.

    https://hubison.com/sports/softball/roster

    5 of the 27 players on the FSU roster are black, 13 are blonde. 5 of their 7 pitchers are blonde.

    https://seminoles.com/sports/softball/roster/season/2021-22/

  174. @AndrewR
    @Alden

    He was always in love with Camilla, but she was considered by his family too "earthy" to be his wife. And Diana just didn't have what it took to woo him away from Camilla.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    That plus Camilla got married to Andrew Parker-Bowles, who she’d known before Charles, in 1973. So Parker-Bowles apparently slept with both Charles’s sister Anne and his current wife. Who said the British upper classes were incestuous?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @S Johnson

    So Parker-Bowles apparently slept with both Charles’s sister Anne

    They were in the same equestrian social circle. You're stealing a base there.

  175. @Altai
    I find the Heard thing is actually very cathartic for women because they can finally point out the kind of female psychopaths whom they bare the brunt of in terms of interpersonal conflict and attack.

    Moreover the moment we're having as a culture is driven by insane female social aggression and politicking on social media, particularly young and adolescent kind. Women with BPD are in a way being exposed through Amber Heard.

    I doubt Depp is much better, these kinds of cluster B types are deeply attracted to each other. I keep seeing guys wonder how Davidson gets with all these attractive famous women despite being unattractive, dim and a stoner with serious mental health issues, albeit he is also rich and famous but these women have lots of rich and famous guys to pick from. What they like about Davidson is he is a turbo cluster B fuckup, a man diagnosed with BPD. These kinds of women who also have cluster B traits enjoy the drama and a psycho stuff, so much that they overlook his appearance and other deficits.

    People with BPD are prone to exactly this kind of insane purity spiraling and cancel culture stuff. What has changed is that social media has become not only the central forum for social and political commentary but that these types of people are powerusers who influence things significantly and then force adolescent conformist women with normal psychologies to adopt it. That's essentially what Tumblr was and Twitter has become Tumblr on a lag.

    The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it's already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @dearieme, @Sam Grisham, @Ben tillman

    You wanna get depressed? Read this story of a world-renowned scientist, cancer researcher, former MIT prof who’s now unemployed and living on unemployment because of an ambitious female subordinate and spurned lover.

    This is a horror story:

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=r

    He Was a World-Renowned Cancer Researcher. Now He’s Collecting Unemployment.
    Behind the fall of David Sabatini, ‘one of the greatest scientists’ of his generation.

    Suzy Weiss
    May 19

    In 2018, David Sabatini was a world-renowned molecular biologist. He was a tenured professor at MIT. He ran a major lab at the Whitehead Institute, overseeing a team of 39 researchers, postdocs and technicians. Their job was to disentangle the mystery of the mTOR signaling pathway, a protein Sabatini had discovered while still in medical school, at Johns Hopkins. The mTOR signaling pathway plays a critical role in tumor development. Figuring out how it works would go a long way toward saving countless lives.

    This was why Sabatini was predicted to win the Nobel Prize. It was how he reeled in between three and four million dollars every year for his lab from the National Institutes of Health, the Pentagon and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, among others. It is why his colleagues have described him to me with words like “genius,” “one of the best scientists alive,” and “a pillar.”

    “It’s like working for Steve Jobs. He can be brutal,” said one scientist. “But why would you want to work for anyone else?”

    Today, Sabatini is unemployed and unemployable. No one wants to be associated with him. Those who do risk losing their jobs, publishing opportunities, friends, visas, and huge federal grants. “What wormhole did my life take, to billionaires and protests and being called a sexual predator? What quirk in the universe allowed this to happen?” Sabatini asked me…

    Read the rest HERE

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Sam Grisham


    Knouse, Sabatini remembers, had ongoing flings with men who she referred to with nicknames like “anesthesiologist fuck buddy,” “finance bro,” and “physics professor,” and she wanted to keep it that way.
     
    What was he expecting lmao
  176. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Cagey Beast

    Nina was part of a cluster of American journalists and security state bureaucrats working for an outfit called Integrity Initiative. Chartered in Scotland, HQ'd in London, managed by MI6, and directly funded by by Steve's favorite institution, NATO. The Integrity Initiative was supposedly a quasi-journalistic endeavor tasked with the mission of countering Russian disinformation. In reality, the I.I. was a spook shop that dabbled in the internal affairs of NATO members -- to keep them on the UK/USA script. The I.I. was yet another NGO used as cover by MI6 and CIA. The fact that she was sent to Ukraine in 2019 to help Steve's favorite Slavic puppet of Davos Man speaks to her status as an agent of NATO skullduggery. Which is belied by her unhinged behavior on social media. It must be difficult for Gen X intelligence chiefs to keep their millennial and zoomer agents and officers from sabotaging themselves in a burst of narcissism on social media. For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    “For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb”.

    Yes these legacy hires somehow manage to be just as badly stuck in the last century as their parents. I guess they had the world explained to them (and handed to them) by their well-connected parents, who were mentally stuck in the Blair-Bush-Clinton 90’s until Trump and Brexit hit them between the eyes in 2016. They all still think they can make their opponents irrelevant and their allies invulnerable simply by crafting the narrative on cable news and the prestige press.

    Like Tony Soprano, these Millenial power kids inherited something that was already dying when they got there.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Cagey Beast


    Like Tony Soprano, these Millenial power kids inherited something that was already dying when they got there.
     
    To be technical, Tony was a Boomer. His kids were millennials. Things were going down the tubes by the time Tony came of age, but they hadn't yet cratered. Moreover, Tony was smart (to an extent), tough, and capable (to an extent). He was up to handling his business-if not perfectly, then effectively.

    The kids came of age when things were pretty much becoming crap and rot (and about to get much worse), and neither one was worth a shit.

  177. @S Johnson
    @AndrewR

    That plus Camilla got married to Andrew Parker-Bowles, who she’d known before Charles, in 1973. So Parker-Bowles apparently slept with both Charles’s sister Anne and his current wife. Who said the British upper classes were incestuous?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    So Parker-Bowles apparently slept with both Charles’s sister Anne

    They were in the same equestrian social circle. You’re stealing a base there.

  178. @Mr. Blank
    Yeah it’s been quite the spectacle. All the hardcore feminists I know are completely in the tank for Depp, for some reason. Not one of them is even slightly sympathetic to Heard. And these are all believe-all-women lefty feminists.

    My best guess is that there’s just something about Amber Heard that women instinctively find repulsive. For some reason she automatically sets off their “man-stealing hussy viper” alarms, even when they try to suppress it for feminist reasons.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Muggles, @Nodwink

    Though Wife and I are big weekly fans of the Real News tabloids (Globe, Enquirer) the Depp-Heard feud is One Step Beyond.

    In the tabs, the real fake news is often true. Namely that the much envied Hollywood pretties are mostly crazy. They often get quickly divorced and nothing said about them in those situations makes you want to emulate them or their romantic choices. Heard-Depp is just crazy-pretty with pointless rich dummy’s lawsuits in the toxic mix.

    Yes, many are in fake relationships but many also get married, have kids and then discover their spouses are cheaters, crazy, evil, addicts/drunks, etc.

    Like in many things, people who are just too darned pretty can get away with way too much. People overlook their (sometimes) horrible personalities, addictive behavior or ongoing mental illnesses.

    For men, it can be Alpha Male envy. “Look I’m with the Prom Queen.” Hot? Not long…

    For women, it can be a High Status fashion accessory. “My Guy is a Babe.” Maybe something deeply genetic too. Mr. Alpha has to be pretty too. Our kids so gorgeous…

    So when Mr. and Mrs. Alpha have to live together, and wake up doing the normal couple things that make up real life, daily cohabitation might not be so cozy. These pretty people can (and will) stray at the drop of an eyelash, so fidelity or mistrust is a common concern.

    What I realized when young at some point was this, before you commit, take a month long grueling travel trip with many hardships and close quarters living. See America First! A few weeks camping, in cheap motels, cramped cars, buses, planes or trains with low rent living will teach you a lot about each other. That’s a real life dip in the pond. Living with someone isn’t Rom-Com fantasy. It is mostly the grubby reality of sharing stuff and listening to someone constantly you can’t easily escape.

    That’s a Pass-Fail experience our Heard-Depp beauty queens somehow missed.

    “Mama, don’t let your babies to grow up to be celebrities…”

  179. I followed Johnny Depp’s career from 21 Jump Street up through his indies. I thought he was a very talented actor, quite apart from his onscreen magnetism. I stopped watching new releases about the time of his first pirate movie so haven’t seen them.

    My take is Depp is no angel and definitely has his demons. But I think he has no malice or spite in him,(unlike, say, Sean Penn). And as an actor, he gives good value for money.

    I didn’t follow the Depp/Heard saga but was inclined to believe he was at fault because I knew he was volatile off-screen and, yes, because she’s young and pretty. Then I read a few articles and watched her testify. Whoa, what a ****. Malicious, spiteful and dishonest.

    Here’s Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it’s p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can’t think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it. I wish him well.

    • Replies: @Zoos
    @Kylie


    I didn’t follow the Depp/Heard saga but was inclined to believe he was at fault because I knew he was volatile off-screen and, yes, because she’s young and pretty. Then I read a few articles and watched her testify. Whoa, what a ****. Malicious, spiteful and dishonest.
     
    I think we can sum it all up.

    Johnny Depp is a drunken Peter Pan, and Amber Heard is a really mean Wendy.
    , @Drive-by poster
    @Kylie


    Here’s Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it’s p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can’t think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it.
     
    I would not have lasted an hour, let alone 5. As you point out, it was a PR stunt, but even so, I think it says a lot about Depp that he was able to keep it together for 5 hours in a hospital like that.

    It's one thing for adults to be in the hospital (they have had a chance at life). But to see some of those young children there...well, I don't begrudge Johnny Depp anything after watching that.

    Replies: @Kylie

  180. @Steve Sailer
    @Right_On

    His mom was murdered by Hitler and his wife by Manson?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Right_On, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Charles Manson didn’t murder Sharon Tate.

    Vincent Bugliosi was a lying sack of camel poop.

    And if George Bush had inadvertently killed Polanski’s mom they would write it up as collateral damage.

  181. @marco-polo
    I find it remarkable that a many strong supporters of Johnny appear to be women. Only a year or two ago female sentiment, towards abuse accusations, was to believe the woman and disparage legal process. Now the mood of woman at the trial is one of protection of Johnny and hatred and contempt for his former wife. This trial is very public and I would like to think that the mood reflects a society that's trying to be more grown up in dealing with modern gender conflicts.

    Other than that, not being much interested in movie stars, the trial put him on my radar and I was surprised to find out that Johnny Depp played Edward in Edward Scissor Hands and the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, movies I have enjoyed. While the trial shows his life to be a bit screwball, he nonetheless comes across as a genuinely good person and having a certain charisma. You characterize him as washed up, but I suspect, with the interest in him generated by the trial and his existing talent, his career may have future surprises in store.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Spangel226, @Paul Mendez, @ginger bread man

    His monologue about how he and amber met should win an Oscar.

  182. Someone should tell the NYT that Johnny Depp has Black ancestry. Then they would be on his side.

  183. @The Alarmist
    I haven’t heard one woman sympathise with Ms. Heard.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “I haven’t heard one woman sympathise with Ms. Heard.”

    Maureen Callahan of the New York Post has complained in columns about public opinion going against Amber Heard. Callahan attacks Men Behaving Badly, often left-wingers.

    Johnny Depp is the type she hates.

  184. @Pixo
    10 shot 1 killed outside a Hookah Lounge in San Bernardino Co California.

    Media won’t reveal race or name the business.

    Twitter provides the name: “Tha Blu Flame.” It’s a Black club of course.

    https://twitter.com/Fotogodterry/status/1528159122788560898

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    10 shot 1 killed outside a Hookah Lounge in San Bernardino Co California.

    I guess smoking really IS bad for you

    Twitter provides the name: “Tha Blu Flame.” It’s a Black club of course.

    “Hooty Hoo! Hooty Hoo!”

    “Some khoons got shot in San Berdoo!”

    “What to do? What to do?”

    “Blame White folks ‘fore the day is through!”

  185. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is usually associated with 2000s star Zooey Deschanel, whose father Caleb is a spectacular cinematographer ("Black Stallion," "The Right Stuff," "The Natural," "The Passion of the Christ"). He was one of the cohort associated with FF Coppola and George Lucas, alone with Walter Murch.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @40 Lashes Less One

    He directed some Twin Peaks episodes

  186. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, apparently, another angry negro executed a white man in the middle of the day in NYC.

    If you’re white, and over the age of forty, best stay away from NYC.

    You likely won’t have the physical dexterity to fend off a negro attack, bystanders won’t come to your aid, and the demoralized police force will take their time arriving, and often won’t do much when they do.

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/man-shot-and-killed-on-nyc-subway-in-broad-daylight-cops/

  187. Sat through some NPR this morning. Relevant tidbit: [“]If Amber Heard falls prey to the Perfect Victim myth, then it’s the end of Me Too.[“]
    Myself and my nation: “[cracking open a Labatt] Okiedokie, let’s have that one, two-for-one!”

    [MORE]

    Off-topic addition — NPR this morning — Trump sporters — commercial for screaming Maoism which nevertheless pretends to objectivity — Are Trump supporters just lonely losers who were seduced because Trump made them feel like they do not deserve to be generally collected and thrown in an oven? On Detroit Today, we’ll talk about feelings, and how, maybe if we pat you on your flyover peasant head, you can move past electing politicians who do not want you to die.
    Off-topic addition — NPR this morning — Buffalo shooting — LIE (1) that Payton was driven to violence by scientific government statistics. That is a lie, Payton was badgered every day by an “Armand,” possibly a fed, an individual who identified PG as lonely and worked on him for at least a year. LIE (2) that Payton wielded “a machine gun.” PG had an Armalite pattern rifle, not “a machine gun.” LIE (3) that On Narrative Mass Shootings (ONMS) are common. They simply are not, they are as a matter of objective definition very rare, and “feel common” only to NPC uncritical consumers of lyingpress deceit because of dishonest media hype. LIE (4) that the biggest threat to black people now or ever is ONMS like PG or Dylan Roof. This is a lie, especially now in the current season of lawlessness, the main killer of blacks is blacks (for example, off-narrative back on black gang related mass shootings). LIE (5) that PG could have been “deradicalized” had a motivational speaker visited his school. This is silly, school speakers persuade nobody, and PG was taken advantage of by a predatory operator (so he could have been saved by an anti-Armand but not by one compelling assembly).

  188. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    The concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl
     

    father Caleb
    FF Coppola
    George Lucas
    Walter Murch
     
    focus, Steve, we’re talkin’ pussy here

    https://p.favim.com/orig/2019/01/25/of-my-fat-cat-kitty-pretty-girl-girls-Favim.com-6819734.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That’s a Mexican-pattern made-up Instagram whore, not a MPDG.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @J.Ross


    That’s a Mexican-pattern made-up Instagram whore
     
    The gray striped fur looks pretty normal to me. But the ‘bloodshot’ orange eye color, small chin, and stubby-looking limbs do give it an exotic look, I’ll admit. Tijuana tabby?
  189. Recommended: Depp plays Whitey Bulger in “Black Mass.” He is scary as all hell in that role.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @gutta percha

    Bingo. Black Mass / The Departed is like Manhunter/Silence of the Lambs.the first is the Real Deal, the second is slam/bam Hollywood "entertainment." Depp is like Jake LaMotta at his fighting peak, Nicholson like LaMotta the washed up entertainer.

  190. @Art Deco
    @dearieme

    She did not come across as deranged at all. She and her handlers came across as calculating (but obvious) liars. See the ancillary mess about her supposed fear of flying and her fake little girl voice. And see the core problem: neither Ford, nor her handlers, nor the news media could come up with an old Polaroid or a sworn affidavit that would provide evidence that she'd ever met either of the young men she accused; they couldn't even assemble a circumstantial argument based on where they lived or the schools to which the three families in question had sent their children.

    No clue why you've confused Kavanaugh with Norman St. John Stevas.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    There was another accuser (represented by Avenatti) who accused him of gangrape and came across as deranged on TV because she is 100% deranged.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    I doubt she's deranged, either, just playing a part. Either Avenatti hired her or she volunteered hoping for a pay day.

    The third accuser all but admitted she was blitzed at the time (her accusation is that he flashed her) and was coached before 'coming forward'. Unlike the others, she actually had demonstrably met Kavanaugh at some point. In accusing him, she appears to have been in a double act with his quondam room mate, James Roche. Roche shared a dormitory suite with Kavanaugh for four months in 1983 / 84 and has apparently had a permanent running grudge against him ever since.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  191. @aNewBanner
    @Steve Sailer

    It helps them to be memorable. Scarlett Johansson is chubby for a Hollywood actress, though not for a standard American woman. Jennifer Lawrence regularly makes a fool of herself. Anne Hathaway has a mouth that’s too big for her face. Julia Roberts is toothy.

    As a husband, my wife can mention Keira Knightley in a conversation, and I can remark about how skinny and underfed she looks, whereas, if she had mentioned Jessica Alba, I would just need to stare at her uncomfortably.

    Replies: @S Johnson

    To headline your own movies as a female star you have to reach a point where men are attracted to you and women want to be your friend. That’s a tricky line to balance; it’s probably what held Sharon Stone and Charlize Theron back from reaching the next level, or Anne Hathaway from properly graduating from women’s pictures. Jennifer Lawrence was almost there but she seems a bit too much like the slutty friend who might steal your boyfriend. It’s also notable that Taylor Swift’s female fanbase almost turned against her when she tried to make herself into a sex symbol back in around 2017. Perhaps only Julia Roberts and Drew Barrymore have got there recently.

  192. Well, when I became aware of this case I came in loosely on Depp’s side. I was hearing these shocking stories of her shitting in the bed and cutting his finger off and thinking man this is nuts, she must be really crazy.

    But the more I saw of the trial the more I realized I’d been conned. I’m usually extremely cynical about this kind of thing, but I realized I had become the victim of a media campaign of stupid wild stories.

    And in fact I slowly came to the view that, whatever her own issues, her claims were substantive enough that it seemed very unlikely to me Depp had been ‘defamed.’

    And later it seemed that there was a strong case that these wild stories were part of a rather nasty organized public campaign against Heard steered in large part by these Jewish attorneys around Depp who seem to leading him around by the nose.

    The public support for Depp is much driven from his female fans and they have sought to make the whole thing into something like a reality tv show. To them Heard is ‘obviously’ a lying witch because… reasons.

    I really hate to say this, but the left are correct on this, it is an ugly spectacle.

    We’ve seen this before with fandom, it doesn’t matter what’s real or not, fans will always side with their idol. Critics can only be driven by malice, hatred and money.

    Sailer mentioned the “Mostly peaceful protests”, Karens and other hypocrisies, but there are different rules with showbiz stories. They serve a different role in the public psyche and are held to different standards. I was shocked to find out years ago that a lot of showbiz stuff is just literally made up. (And the house always wins with them.)

    Now I assume, unless aliens are really running our lives and everything is just a hologram, that Depp really did sue, she did really countersue and so on, but sometimes I don’t blame people for thinking like this.

    But the main point is Heard is being put through a distasteful public spectacle and it’s not coming from a good or righteous place. It’s based on very little. People want to assume it’s all real because it suits them. They’ve been invited to believe it and invited to wallow in their own spite.

    They are told to believe it’s the comeuppance of the system that has treated men poorly and now we’re ‘getting one back’. I actually wonder if it’s taken Sailer in a bit, as it had me.

    But I don’t think a white woman who is at least likely to have qualified as a victim of abuse by most standards, beaten by a mixed raced drunk and drugged-to-hell male and then on top, mocked and ridiculed for this abuse and called a liar is a good mast to nail our grievances to but a deeply stupid one.

  193. @Kylie
    I followed Johnny Depp's career from 21 Jump Street up through his indies. I thought he was a very talented actor, quite apart from his onscreen magnetism. I stopped watching new releases about the time of his first pirate movie so haven't seen them.

    My take is Depp is no angel and definitely has his demons. But I think he has no malice or spite in him,(unlike, say, Sean Penn). And as an actor, he gives good value for money.

    I didn't follow the Depp/Heard saga but was inclined to believe he was at fault because I knew he was volatile off-screen and, yes, because she's young and pretty. Then I read a few articles and watched her testify. Whoa, what a ****. Malicious, spiteful and dishonest.

    Here's Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it's p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can't think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it. I wish him well.

    https://youtu.be/TyX0twnnyHA

    Replies: @Zoos, @Drive-by poster

    I didn’t follow the Depp/Heard saga but was inclined to believe he was at fault because I knew he was volatile off-screen and, yes, because she’s young and pretty. Then I read a few articles and watched her testify. Whoa, what a ****. Malicious, spiteful and dishonest.

    I think we can sum it all up.

    Johnny Depp is a drunken Peter Pan, and Amber Heard is a really mean Wendy.

    • LOL: Kylie
  194. @Altai
    I find the Heard thing is actually very cathartic for women because they can finally point out the kind of female psychopaths whom they bare the brunt of in terms of interpersonal conflict and attack.

    Moreover the moment we're having as a culture is driven by insane female social aggression and politicking on social media, particularly young and adolescent kind. Women with BPD are in a way being exposed through Amber Heard.

    I doubt Depp is much better, these kinds of cluster B types are deeply attracted to each other. I keep seeing guys wonder how Davidson gets with all these attractive famous women despite being unattractive, dim and a stoner with serious mental health issues, albeit he is also rich and famous but these women have lots of rich and famous guys to pick from. What they like about Davidson is he is a turbo cluster B fuckup, a man diagnosed with BPD. These kinds of women who also have cluster B traits enjoy the drama and a psycho stuff, so much that they overlook his appearance and other deficits.

    People with BPD are prone to exactly this kind of insane purity spiraling and cancel culture stuff. What has changed is that social media has become not only the central forum for social and political commentary but that these types of people are powerusers who influence things significantly and then force adolescent conformist women with normal psychologies to adopt it. That's essentially what Tumblr was and Twitter has become Tumblr on a lag.

    The destabilising politics and self-made ideology of women with septum piercings is something society simply never had to consider before and it's already brought things to the point of nuclear war with Russia in less than 8 or 9 years.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @dearieme, @Sam Grisham, @Ben tillman

    Who is Davidson?

  195. @Anonymouys
    @SafeNow

    "I don’t know about the sociological effects, but it’s a safe bet Amber will have generated considerable demand for some of the Amber hairstyles. “See this photo? Make me look like this.” Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing."
    Well I hope so!
    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/220516114326-amber-heard-051622-super-tease.jpg

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Running late for hockey, a few beers, then home to fix the plumbing.”
    Well I hope so!

    Don’t forget your plunger.

  196. @Spangel226
    @marco-polo

    The evidence against heard is very simplistic, which is why people hate her. It is like the Ibram kendi level of trial evidence, which celeb worshippers can easily latch on to. It also makes heard look like a soap opera villain because she admits to hitting depp on audio and then says no one will believe him if he claims he’s the victim of domestic violence.

    While the evidence that heard is a headcase is cut and dry, folks did not seem to notice that heards evidence against the defamation aspect of her post article is some of the strongest evidence in the whole case. It may not be salacious, but the evidence was that Disney publicly announced that they were dropping depp from pirates two months before her post article was released. Then he lost the fantastic beasts role 2 years after her article. And they had a Disney producer exec for pirates testify that there was no reason to believe heards accusations had anything to do with depp losing the pirates role.

    So all in all, depp’s side has done nothing to show that heards article resulted in any material damages to him. We will see if the jury cares about that. Perhaps they too will be swayed by boiling hatred for amber because of the soap opera audio.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    He doesn’t have to prove damages in the defamation case.

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @Ben tillman

    Depp’s attorneys don’t seem interested in proving anything related to defamation. Their case seems like nothing more than a concentrated effort to make heard look hateable. Their evidence has nothing to do with the post article in question. Btw, I read the article and it’s hard to see how it defames anyone because it neither mentions anyone by name nor describes any man in a concrete way. It doesn’t describe any specific details of abuse so basically anything that theoretically qualifies as abuse makes the article at least partially true.

    His attorneys have presented that she pooped on a bed, hit depp, called him a baby… what does any of it have to do with defamation or the truth of the article?

    My guess is that the attorneys know that defamation is hard to prove, so they aren’t even bothering to try. Instead they are trying to make the jury despise heard so much that they give depp a victory. This strategy is working so far with the general public at least.

  197. @gutta percha
    Recommended: Depp plays Whitey Bulger in "Black Mass." He is scary as all hell in that role.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    Bingo. Black Mass / The Departed is like Manhunter/Silence of the Lambs.the first is the Real Deal, the second is slam/bam Hollywood “entertainment.” Depp is like Jake LaMotta at his fighting peak, Nicholson like LaMotta the washed up entertainer.

  198. @notsaying
    @JimDandy

    Kavanaugh, if his accuser is right, would be both a big liar and a rapist.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @dearieme, @JimDandy, @Ben tillman

    His “accuser” didn’t even *accuse* him of rape.

    And she was certainly lying. She was just trolling everyone; it was just an adventure to see what she could get away with. The lies about the second front door, the lies about a fear of flying, and the request that she testify after Kavanaugh prove that conclusively.

    Moreover, there is no chance that a sober victim of what she claimed to experience would not remember how she got home or tell anyone about what happened.

  199. Judging from the comments, people seem to think it’s all about spectacle and/or being Team Woman or Team Guy. I wouldn’t have the interest or patience for watching any of this on that level, but for some reason YT keeps recommending various clips of the testimony to me, and the conduct of the attorneys has caught my attention.

    Now, I’m not a lawyer (thank God) but I worked for top-tier NYC law firms for many years, and even wound up being deposed by a lawyer for Scientology in a suit against the WaPost. (Long story).

    So my inexpert but not uninformed opinion, especially given the latter experience — being coached by a major NYC litigator on how to handle questioning by a not very bright opposing counsel (*) — is that Heard’s lawyers are remarkably incompetent. It’s one of those “The truth may very well be such and such but you have to play by the rules otherwise the evidence won’t be admitted at all.”

    I think there’s a clip where Depp’s lawyer says “Objection, hearsay, leading, lack of foundation” about 193 times in 10 minutes, and gets sustained almost every time. Heard’s attorney winds up staring at her notes, shrugging her shoulders and walking away in frustration.

    The video deposition where the the hotel workers is in his car, vaping, and eventually driving away, is epic. Even the judge was like, “What was that?”

    (*) “Please instruct Ms. Heard to not answer until the objection has been handled” rang home.

    • Replies: @Vagrant Rightist
    @James J O'Meara

    To me this proves one set of lawyers are more aggressive, more willing to use whatever tools are available to game the court and effectively harass her on technicalities to prevent (from recollection) a piece of her medical evidence being presented.

    I didn't come away with the same positive impression of that exchange.

    But then that's made into YT clips and we're back to the idea this is all just a game of 'owning' the opponent. Reality doesn't matter too much.

    Count me as uncool but I don't see that as a great win for the truth.

    Aggressive lawyers can do a lot, they can bend reality so much they can even get a murdering ape like OJ off. Great accomplishment.

  200. @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    There was another accuser (represented by Avenatti) who accused him of gangrape and came across as deranged on TV because she is 100% deranged.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I doubt she’s deranged, either, just playing a part. Either Avenatti hired her or she volunteered hoping for a pay day.

    The third accuser all but admitted she was blitzed at the time (her accusation is that he flashed her) and was coached before ‘coming forward’. Unlike the others, she actually had demonstrably met Kavanaugh at some point. In accusing him, she appears to have been in a double act with his quondam room mate, James Roche. Roche shared a dormitory suite with Kavanaugh for four months in 1983 / 84 and has apparently had a permanent running grudge against him ever since.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Art Deco

    I don't think deranged and looking-for-money are mutually exclusive. I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think Julie Swetnick was a total head case. I think the third accuser was a lilly-white "hispanic" Yalie who said she saw his cock once at a drunken dorm party, right? I don't think she was deranged at all. Just a calculating bitch.

  201. @Ben tillman
    @Spangel226

    He doesn’t have to prove damages in the defamation case.

    Replies: @Spangel226

    Depp’s attorneys don’t seem interested in proving anything related to defamation. Their case seems like nothing more than a concentrated effort to make heard look hateable. Their evidence has nothing to do with the post article in question. Btw, I read the article and it’s hard to see how it defames anyone because it neither mentions anyone by name nor describes any man in a concrete way. It doesn’t describe any specific details of abuse so basically anything that theoretically qualifies as abuse makes the article at least partially true.

    His attorneys have presented that she pooped on a bed, hit depp, called him a baby… what does any of it have to do with defamation or the truth of the article?

    My guess is that the attorneys know that defamation is hard to prove, so they aren’t even bothering to try. Instead they are trying to make the jury despise heard so much that they give depp a victory. This strategy is working so far with the general public at least.

  202. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Steve Sailer


    The first movie review I ever wrote, way back in 2001 before “Pirates of the Caribbean,” was of a Brad Pitt movie, “The Mexican,” in which I suggested that Pitt was hung up halfway between Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp. So, yeah, Depp had made an impression in the 1990s. But he did get sort of lucky with “Pirates,” but on the other hand, he’d done good work for a dozen years, so it was reasonably deserved.
     
    My perception was that Depp's catalog of work post 21 Jump Street was more popular with the critic class than broadly popular with audiences. (Recall that he had a bit part in Platoon before 21 Jump Street). Edward Scissorhands was just a weird project for a would-be leading man to take on early in his career - it did experience come box office success.

    The good fortune of the Captain Jack Sparrow role for Depp was that it was a synthesis of the weird, off-beat characters he prefers and a huge moneymaking franchise with multiple sequels in which his appearance was necessary (which would be most likely with the leading man roles he had shunned previously). If someone had told you that Depp was drunk and zonked out on percocets while filming the Pirates of the Caribbean series, you wouldn't doubt it. He just got to be himself, drunken and drugged up, impersonating Keith Richards and made a boat load of money doing it while filming in paradisaical tropical locations. I suppose there's a place where you could look it up, but I'd wager that he probably made much, much more from Captain Jack Sparrow and its aftermath than in all of the films he'd made up to that point.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    His Tonto in that Long Ranger reboot would be an example of the limits of where you could take that kind of approach to a role. Like Hunter Thompson (a friend that he also played on screen) its seems like he’s a one trick pony. Perhaps like Joan Crawford being dropped by Warner’s, he might re-configure his career, who knows.

  203. @Anon
    @Anon

    Are you kidding me?


    How can you people not realize that her blonde hair is fake?

    Stop falling for the fake blonde scam. Her hlond hair is no more real than Johnny Depp's.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Bill

    It’s one of the iSteve commentariat’s odd tics. It’s not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can’t do it.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Bill


    It’s one of the iSteve commentariat’s odd tics. It’s not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can’t do it.
     
    She probably has light or sandy colored hair naturally. I doubt that she's a brunette.

    Replies: @Anon

  204. @James J O'Meara
    Judging from the comments, people seem to think it's all about spectacle and/or being Team Woman or Team Guy. I wouldn't have the interest or patience for watching any of this on that level, but for some reason YT keeps recommending various clips of the testimony to me, and the conduct of the attorneys has caught my attention.

    Now, I'm not a lawyer (thank God) but I worked for top-tier NYC law firms for many years, and even wound up being deposed by a lawyer for Scientology in a suit against the WaPost. (Long story).

    So my inexpert but not uninformed opinion, especially given the latter experience -- being coached by a major NYC litigator on how to handle questioning by a not very bright opposing counsel (*) -- is that Heard's lawyers are remarkably incompetent. It's one of those "The truth may very well be such and such but you have to play by the rules otherwise the evidence won't be admitted at all."

    I think there's a clip where Depp's lawyer says "Objection, hearsay, leading, lack of foundation" about 193 times in 10 minutes, and gets sustained almost every time. Heard's attorney winds up staring at her notes, shrugging her shoulders and walking away in frustration.

    The video deposition where the the hotel workers is in his car, vaping, and eventually driving away, is epic. Even the judge was like, "What was that?"

    (*) "Please instruct Ms. Heard to not answer until the objection has been handled" rang home.

    Replies: @Vagrant Rightist

    To me this proves one set of lawyers are more aggressive, more willing to use whatever tools are available to game the court and effectively harass her on technicalities to prevent (from recollection) a piece of her medical evidence being presented.

    I didn’t come away with the same positive impression of that exchange.

    But then that’s made into YT clips and we’re back to the idea this is all just a game of ‘owning’ the opponent. Reality doesn’t matter too much.

    Count me as uncool but I don’t see that as a great win for the truth.

    Aggressive lawyers can do a lot, they can bend reality so much they can even get a murdering ape like OJ off. Great accomplishment.

  205. @Right_On
    Johnny Depp's finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski's occult mystery The Ninth Gate. Frank Langella - who has troubles of his own at the moment - was excellent as an acolyte of Lucifer and manipulator of our hero, Johnny.
    What is it with Polanski and his fascination with the Devil . . ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753, @Anon

    One simple explanation is that he hung out with Frankist types during the war. It’s a branch of Judaism that is antinomian and occultist.Later he would have met many satanists in Hollywood, where they still thrive.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

    • Thanks: Right_On
  206. @Bill
    @Anon

    It's one of the iSteve commentariat's odd tics. It's not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can't do it.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    It’s one of the iSteve commentariat’s odd tics. It’s not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can’t do it.

    She probably has light or sandy colored hair naturally. I doubt that she’s a brunette.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @OilcanFloyd

    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  207. Meanwhile, in Geneva, while everybody was distracted by a televised gossip trial, the UN is set to obliterate our sovereignty and rights…

    https://reclaimthenet.org/world-health-organization-pandemic-treaty-a-fresh-push-for-vaccine-passports-global-surveillance-and-more/

  208. @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That's a Mexican-pattern made-up Instagram whore, not a MPDG.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That’s a Mexican-pattern made-up Instagram whore

    The gray striped fur looks pretty normal to me. But the ‘bloodshot’ orange eye color, small chin, and stubby-looking limbs do give it an exotic look, I’ll admit. Tijuana tabby?

  209. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    In my experience, the man fucks the woman; not vice versa.

  210. @No jack London
    @Mike Tre

    Compare the photos. Except for four, all Howard girls could pass, most are Ca Chicanas. FSU has more clearly authentic blacks on team.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    You have to be kidding me. 15 of the 26 players on the Howard team are undeniably black. 5-6 of the remaining are Puerto Rican or Dominican, meaning they are half black. 2 players are white.

    https://hubison.com/sports/softball/roster

    5 of the 27 players on the FSU roster are black, 13 are blonde. 5 of their 7 pitchers are blonde.

    https://seminoles.com/sports/softball/roster/season/2021-22/

  211. @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Tool wrote a song in 1996 called Aenima, where within the lyrics Maynard James Keenan calls for a giant earthquake to knock Los Angeles into the Ocean. Read the lyrics and decide if they are relative today:

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Fret for your figure and
    Fret for your latte and
    Fret for your lawsuit and
    Fret for your hairpiece and
    Fret for your Prozac and
    Fret for your pilot and
    Fret for your contract and
    Fret for your car

    It's a
    Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
    Freaks

    Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
    The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
    Any fucking time, any fucking day
    Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

    Some say a comet will fall from the sky
    Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
    Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still
    Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip-shits

    Some say the end is near
    Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
    I certainly hope we will because
    I sure could use a vacation from this

    Silly shit, stupid shit . . .

    One great big festering neon distraction
    I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

    Learn to swim

    Mom's going to fix it all soon
    Mom's coming around to put it back the way it ought to be

    Fuck L. Ron Hubbard and
    Fuck all his clones
    Fuck all those gun-toting
    Hip gangster wannabes
    Fuck retro anything
    Fuck your tattoos
    Fuck all you junkies and
    Fuck your short memory
    Fuck smiley glad-hands
    With hidden agendas
    Fuck these dysfunctional
    Insecure actresses

    Because I'm praying for mayhem
    And I'm praying for tidal waves
    I want to see the ground give way
    I want to watch it all go down
    Mom, please flush it all away
    I want to see it go right in and down
    I want to watch it go right in
    Watch you flush it all away

    Time to bring it down again
    Don't just call me pessimist
    Try and read between the lines

    I can't imagine why you wouldn't
    Welcome any change, my friend

    I want to see it all come down
    Suck it down
    Flush it down

    https://youtu.be/rHcmnowjfrQ

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    I too immediately thought of this song when I read the original post. Then again, seems like I’ve been thinking about this song a lot lately.


  212. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10834837/Johnny-Depps-former-flame-actress-Ellen-Barkin-testifies.html

    ‘Drunk all the time’: Ellen Barkin’s shocking Johnny Depp testimony

    May 20, 2022

    Johnny Depp’s former flame, actress Ellen Barkin, testifies at the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial that the Pirates of the Caribbean actor once threw a bottle of wine at her and calls him a ‘controlling, jealous man’. Barkin, 68, said she met Depp around 1990 and developed a friendship that lasted 10 years, including starring together in the film Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Asked if their relationship became ‘romantic,’ Barkin said with a smile that it happened around 1994 when she ‘moved to Hollywood and he switched the buttons.’

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    "Computer, non-verbally define the word 'dour.'"

  213. @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    I doubt she's deranged, either, just playing a part. Either Avenatti hired her or she volunteered hoping for a pay day.

    The third accuser all but admitted she was blitzed at the time (her accusation is that he flashed her) and was coached before 'coming forward'. Unlike the others, she actually had demonstrably met Kavanaugh at some point. In accusing him, she appears to have been in a double act with his quondam room mate, James Roche. Roche shared a dormitory suite with Kavanaugh for four months in 1983 / 84 and has apparently had a permanent running grudge against him ever since.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I don’t think deranged and looking-for-money are mutually exclusive. I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I think Julie Swetnick was a total head case. I think the third accuser was a lilly-white “hispanic” Yalie who said she saw his cock once at a drunken dorm party, right? I don’t think she was deranged at all. Just a calculating bitch.

  214. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1527395837076283393
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10834837/Johnny-Depps-former-flame-actress-Ellen-Barkin-testifies.html

    'Drunk all the time': Ellen Barkin's shocking Johnny Depp testimony
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-umczIrFUzc
    May 20, 2022


    Johnny Depp's former flame, actress Ellen Barkin, testifies at the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial that the Pirates of the Caribbean actor once threw a bottle of wine at her and calls him a 'controlling, jealous man'. Barkin, 68, said she met Depp around 1990 and developed a friendship that lasted 10 years, including starring together in the film Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Asked if their relationship became 'romantic,' Barkin said with a smile that it happened around 1994 when she 'moved to Hollywood and he switched the buttons.'
     

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/19/20/58038285-10834837-image-m-11_1652988754344.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    “Computer, non-verbally define the word ‘dour.’”

    • LOL: Kylie, MEH 0910
  215. @OilcanFloyd
    @Bill


    It’s one of the iSteve commentariat’s odd tics. It’s not that hard to tell the difference between a real and bottle blonde, and yet there is this not-small subset here which can’t do it.
     
    She probably has light or sandy colored hair naturally. I doubt that she's a brunette.

    Replies: @Anon

    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Anon


    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.
     
    She's definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color, I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.

    Replies: @John Plywood

  216. @Kylie
    I followed Johnny Depp's career from 21 Jump Street up through his indies. I thought he was a very talented actor, quite apart from his onscreen magnetism. I stopped watching new releases about the time of his first pirate movie so haven't seen them.

    My take is Depp is no angel and definitely has his demons. But I think he has no malice or spite in him,(unlike, say, Sean Penn). And as an actor, he gives good value for money.

    I didn't follow the Depp/Heard saga but was inclined to believe he was at fault because I knew he was volatile off-screen and, yes, because she's young and pretty. Then I read a few articles and watched her testify. Whoa, what a ****. Malicious, spiteful and dishonest.

    Here's Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it's p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can't think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it. I wish him well.

    https://youtu.be/TyX0twnnyHA

    Replies: @Zoos, @Drive-by poster

    Here’s Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it’s p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can’t think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it.

    I would not have lasted an hour, let alone 5. As you point out, it was a PR stunt, but even so, I think it says a lot about Depp that he was able to keep it together for 5 hours in a hospital like that.

    It’s one thing for adults to be in the hospital (they have had a chance at life). But to see some of those young children there…well, I don’t begrudge Johnny Depp anything after watching that.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Drive-by poster

    "I think it says a lot about Depp that he was able to keep it together for 5 hours in a hospital like that."

    I thought so, too. You hear about celebs willing to meet briefly with a sick kid but this was something else entirely. Not many people outside the medical profession could do that. Or would be willing to try.

  217. @Drive-by poster
    @Kylie


    Here’s Depp touring a hospital in full pirate regalia. Admittedly, it was in 2017, when the last pirate movie was released so it’s p.r. But according to the hospital, he stayed 5 hours. The kids are thrilled, he looks glad to be there and frankly, I was touched. I can’t think of any other stars of his magnitude who would have done this the way he did it.
     
    I would not have lasted an hour, let alone 5. As you point out, it was a PR stunt, but even so, I think it says a lot about Depp that he was able to keep it together for 5 hours in a hospital like that.

    It's one thing for adults to be in the hospital (they have had a chance at life). But to see some of those young children there...well, I don't begrudge Johnny Depp anything after watching that.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “I think it says a lot about Depp that he was able to keep it together for 5 hours in a hospital like that.”

    I thought so, too. You hear about celebs willing to meet briefly with a sick kid but this was something else entirely. Not many people outside the medical profession could do that. Or would be willing to try.

  218. @Anon
    @OilcanFloyd

    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.

    She’s definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color, I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.

    • Replies: @John Plywood
    @OilcanFloyd


    She’s definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color,
     
    As opposed to the actual black hair roots you can see with your own two eyes? Keep dreaming.

    I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.
     
    Definition of a dreamer. Bleached hair can't make brown look black. Her eyebrows and her roots are black. Most blue eyed Americans have extremely dark hair. Hardly anybody out here is naturally yellow haired.


    Amber Heard when she was young before the hair bleaching:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2012/06/27/article-2165257-13D07BCE000005DC-726_308x185.jpg


    Let's see here:

    Black roots, chocolate brown hair

    Mexican-tier swarthy brown skin coloration

    Eyes possibly not even blue, may be wearing color contacts


    Appears to have darker skin and eye color than Johnny Depp, the castizo.

    Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams but this woman is not even naturally white.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  219. LP5 says:
    @Mark G.
    @Jack D


    Heard is 36. What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    Actresses develop a reputation as beautiful and then keep that reputation even after their looks have started to decline as they age. I've seen actresses in their late thirties like Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez or Angelina Jolie make most beautiful women in the world lists. Compare photos of these older actresses with photos of younger versions of themselves. Most guys would pick the younger versions as more attractive. Most guys are instinctively most attracted to women in a fairly narrow age range. One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.

    Successful older actresses sometimes continue to pick sex symbol roles because it appeals to their vanity. This happens with male movie stars too. I watch a lot of old movies and it is common to see male movie actors of the nineteen thirties like Jimmy Cagney, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart and Gary Cooper still playing romantic leads in nineteen fifties movies. It somehow ruins the believability of a movie for me when I see beautiful females in their twenties like Barbara Payton or Helena Carter throwing themselves at a pudgy old Jimmy Cagney in a movie such as Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @LP5

    Mark G writes:

    One of the aspects of modern-day feminism is a demand that older women (and overweight women too) be treated as sex symbols.

    If you can stand it, look at the homepage of Yahoo. There are news feed stories about this or that actress or Instagram influence trying to get attention. Those stories seem to put the lie to all the equality and take-seriously articles.

  220. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Prof. Woland


    I always wonder why somebody like Johnny Depp would go after a starlit when he could be banging an equally attractive women without fame or money that would consider him a catch.
     
    During recuperation from my 2nd Covid, I was too exhausted to do anything, so I watched various low-IQ entertaining YT videos. Many of them were from the so-called manosphere, I guess 50-70 of them. I've read many comments, too.

    My impression was: most men, with just a few exceptions, are incurable romantics. They may be, if they can, promiscuous in some segments of their lives, but want their woman in the house, queen of their hearts.

    Most men are Dante in search of Beatrice. Sounds preposterous, but .....

    Replies: @Moses

    Yes. Men are more deeply romantic than women. Women are more transactional.

    This is the part where Alden pours forth her scalding hate for the men of Sailers Place. Hell hath no wrath and all that lol.

    Alden you’ll disappoint me if I don’t get some venomous vitriol.

  221. The key bit in the evidence is that Heard claims to be an abused wife, but her own recordings show her taunting the abuser. Actual abused wives know that taunting NEVER happens in a real abusive relationship.

  222. Anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Buffalo Joe

    You apparently didn't see the Columbian spitfire,Camille Vasquez,force Amber to admit that while she "pledged" 7 million,half to the ACLU,she didn't actually donate a dime.

    The above "trope" said to describe Amber,(mentally unstable,hysterical etc.) seems pretty accurate. Yes,sometimes women are bad and may even do bad things. So hard for a feminist to comprehend.
    A quick look at a picture of Aja Romano,( probably named after the Steely Dan song) may give us a clue. Good Christ in Heaven!!😮Oh,the irony of this,this person defending Amber,who,at the tender age of 20,had a face that,remember the Chandler quip,could make an archbishop kick a hole in a stained glass window!
    Men may cheer the anti-Amberism on display,but something tells me if the litigant was say Mitch McConnell,it might go a different way.😉

    Replies: @Bubba, @AndrewR, @Anon

    It’s a genuine puzzle what Depp and Musk saw in Amber Heard.

    It must be really hard to find a woman for someone in his position, even assuming he’s emotionally stable and a nice guy. Every woman who shows attention is out for something. Normal women, even if they are attracted to him, won’t want the tabloid attention. You cannot meet people under normal conditions. Your movements are restricted. Generally actors and actresses, who are in the same boat, get together. But that really limits your selection.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  223. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Right_On
    Johnny Depp's finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski's occult mystery The Ninth Gate. Frank Langella - who has troubles of his own at the moment - was excellent as an acolyte of Lucifer and manipulator of our hero, Johnny.
    What is it with Polanski and his fascination with the Devil . . ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753, @Anon

    Johnny Depp’s finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski’s occult mystery The Ninth Gate.

    Good movie, great score/soundtrack. The book is better, by a Spanish ex-television news reporter. He has a series about a swashbuckling swordsman, which I haven’t read, but his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side and have mostly been translated into English.

    The recent book The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood is sort of a condensed triple biography of Polanski, Jack Nicholson, and Robert Evans, along with a making-of description of Chinatown and The Two Jakes. Quite interesting, and Polanski was interviewed for the book, along with Evans shortly before his death. Nicholson didn’t talk. Dunaway asked for a percentage of the book revenue and had to be politely told that wasn’t the way it worked in nonfiction publishing, which in any event is not that lucrative.

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Anon

    his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side

    Yes, Arturo Peréz-Reverte. After recently re-watching The Ninth Gate on DVD - which has a rare commentary track by Polanski - I'm intending to get the source novel, The Dumas Club, for holiday reading.
    (Long ago, I read The Flanders Panel. Hadn't realized it was by the same author.)

    , @RAZ
    @Anon

    Chinatown makes my top 5 favorite movies list and The Big Goodbye was very good. Reaffirmed what I had heard of Dunaway being wacko and Nicholson being great. Read elsewhere of Nicolson showing up every day for the movie knowing his lines and everyone else's (don't know if that is often the case). Comes up in the book that this may have been the last movie Nicholson was willing to do without a percentage of the box office.

  224. Was at a party last night and the trial became a topic of conversation. Somewhat to my surprise, an overeducated, state health department apparatchik, vocal leftist, female aquintance was very pro Depp and anti Amber. Hmmmmm I thought, not standing up for the sisterhood? I speculate it’s the female hypergamy, cat fighting override, because this woman 15 years younger than Johnny, loudly proclaimed she’d drop everything to be his GF or whatever he wanted…….

  225. @R.G. Camara
    @AndrewR


    . I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family’s dirty secrets. Well, now it’s clear they didn’t gain anything through appeasement.
     
    I think the Queen didn't have or seek the control over Harry that she did over Charles and William, being as he's the second son, likely not Charles's, and has very little chance of being on the throne. Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    So Harry was pretty much ended up a rich spoiled party boy-mama's boy and when mama died he went all to shit and acted out. Marrying a black actress who's already divorced and past her prime seems like a major mommy issue/cry for attention from the son who never got any discipline or love from his father's side. I think they let him marry her because they just didn't care, just like they didn't care about Andrew going to Epstein Island until it got on the news.

    Black sheep in that family, if they keep it out of the news, tend to be treated ok.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    being as he’s the second son, likely not Charles’s,

    Again, the people who are willing to go on the record deny this.

    Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Since when do Brits dote on any of their children?

    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    Andrew was in the military for 20 years, Harry for 10. Harry is a combat veteran.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Art Deco

    "Andrew was in the military for 20 years, Harry for 10. "

    Flying a helicopter in the Falklands War was not a sinecure. And didn't Harry serve in Afghanistan?

  226. @Mr. Blank
    Yeah it’s been quite the spectacle. All the hardcore feminists I know are completely in the tank for Depp, for some reason. Not one of them is even slightly sympathetic to Heard. And these are all believe-all-women lefty feminists.

    My best guess is that there’s just something about Amber Heard that women instinctively find repulsive. For some reason she automatically sets off their “man-stealing hussy viper” alarms, even when they try to suppress it for feminist reasons.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Muggles, @Nodwink

    Heard has some female support, from the crazy blonde British TV host Rachel Riley. Riley is best mates with Heard’s current girlfriend Eve Barlow, as both were part of the hysterical smear campaign by British Zionists against Jeremy Corbyn.

  227. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    being as he’s the second son, likely not Charles’s,

    Again, the people who are willing to go on the record deny this.


    Plus Charles did not control Harry or dote on him like William.

    Since when do Brits dote on any of their children?



    Basically, the Queen and the other Royals treated Harry like Andrew: let him be a spoiled little sot and just keep quiet about it.

    Andrew was in the military for 20 years, Harry for 10. Harry is a combat veteran.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Andrew was in the military for 20 years, Harry for 10. “

    Flying a helicopter in the Falklands War was not a sinecure. And didn’t Harry serve in Afghanistan?

  228. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    What we call female beauty is really an evolutionary signal that the female is at peak fertility. Heard is well off of her natural peak.
     
    This ought to be pretty much the most obvious thing in the world--ok, maybe after "we must eat" and "we must see off the invaders"--that all women are brutally aware of.

    But one of the weird things in our society now, is that a bunch of women seem to be in real denial of this. They are 35 and awesome!

    I do not know if these media women are part of the giant propaganda push to deny the basic fact that the single critical aspect of any society's norms and culture must be that they reproduce the society. Or whether it is simply that so many women--especially these media careerist gals--having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.

    Clearly it is at least some of both. But I think more the former. They grasp reality, but its "unfairness" makes them mad, and they see their duty in railing against it--and denying it to convince gullible women that biological reality is an insidious stale pale male plot.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Or whether it is simply that so many women–especially these media careerist gals–having been pickled their whole lives in this propaganda push and honestly do not grasp basic biological reality.”

    Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett, previously a typically airheaded Guardianistette who wrote stuff like this:

    “Trump’s presidency was met with fierce feminist resistance. We must cling to it”

    “Rethinking fairytales as feminist fables is rescuing them, not ruining them”

    Has made a remarkably frank confession after becoming a mother:

    “Everything I thought before the birth of my son now feels naive and misinformed”

  229. @Sam Grisham
    @Altai

    You wanna get depressed? Read this story of a world-renowned scientist, cancer researcher, former MIT prof who’s now unemployed and living on unemployment because of an ambitious female subordinate and spurned lover.

    This is a horror story:

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=r

    He Was a World-Renowned Cancer Researcher. Now He's Collecting Unemployment.
    Behind the fall of David Sabatini, 'one of the greatest scientists' of his generation.

    Suzy Weiss
    May 19

    In 2018, David Sabatini was a world-renowned molecular biologist. He was a tenured professor at MIT. He ran a major lab at the Whitehead Institute, overseeing a team of 39 researchers, postdocs and technicians. Their job was to disentangle the mystery of the mTOR signaling pathway, a protein Sabatini had discovered while still in medical school, at Johns Hopkins. The mTOR signaling pathway plays a critical role in tumor development. Figuring out how it works would go a long way toward saving countless lives.

    This was why Sabatini was predicted to win the Nobel Prize. It was how he reeled in between three and four million dollars every year for his lab from the National Institutes of Health, the Pentagon and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, among others. It is why his colleagues have described him to me with words like “genius,” “one of the best scientists alive,” and “a pillar.”

    “It’s like working for Steve Jobs. He can be brutal,” said one scientist. “But why would you want to work for anyone else?”

    Today, Sabatini is unemployed and unemployable. No one wants to be associated with him. Those who do risk losing their jobs, publishing opportunities, friends, visas, and huge federal grants. “What wormhole did my life take, to billionaires and protests and being called a sexual predator? What quirk in the universe allowed this to happen?” Sabatini asked me...

    Read the rest HERE

     

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Knouse, Sabatini remembers, had ongoing flings with men who she referred to with nicknames like “anesthesiologist fuck buddy,” “finance bro,” and “physics professor,” and she wanted to keep it that way.

    What was he expecting lmao

  230. @Anon
    @Right_On


    Johnny Depp’s finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski’s occult mystery The Ninth Gate.
     
    Good movie, great score/soundtrack. The book is better, by a Spanish ex-television news reporter. He has a series about a swashbuckling swordsman, which I haven't read, but his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side and have mostly been translated into English.

    The recent book The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood is sort of a condensed triple biography of Polanski, Jack Nicholson, and Robert Evans, along with a making-of description of Chinatown and The Two Jakes. Quite interesting, and Polanski was interviewed for the book, along with Evans shortly before his death. Nicholson didn't talk. Dunaway asked for a percentage of the book revenue and had to be politely told that wasn't the way it worked in nonfiction publishing, which in any event is not that lucrative.

    Replies: @Right_On, @RAZ

    his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side

    Yes, Arturo Peréz-Reverte. After recently re-watching The Ninth Gate on DVD – which has a rare commentary track by Polanski – I’m intending to get the source novel, The Dumas Club, for holiday reading.
    (Long ago, I read The Flanders Panel. Hadn’t realized it was by the same author.)

  231. @prosa123
    OT: New York's newly appointed Lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado keeps emphasizing his "Afro Latino" heritage. It turns out that the second part of that probably isn't true. His name is Portuguese, from Cape Verde, not Spanish. Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,

    Replies: @Alden, @EdwardM, @fish

    Now he says that his mother thinks that her father, whom she never met, might have been from Colombia or Venezuela or someplace in South America,

    Yeah….mine too…..or Irish or something.

  232. Dido cursing the Trojans as she killed herself

    Eminem’s duet partner?

  233. @Cagey Beast
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "For all their skill at electronic gadgets and navigating the online eco-system kids these days are awfully dumb".

    Yes these legacy hires somehow manage to be just as badly stuck in the last century as their parents. I guess they had the world explained to them (and handed to them) by their well-connected parents, who were mentally stuck in the Blair-Bush-Clinton 90's until Trump and Brexit hit them between the eyes in 2016. They all still think they can make their opponents irrelevant and their allies invulnerable simply by crafting the narrative on cable news and the prestige press.

    Like Tony Soprano, these Millenial power kids inherited something that was already dying when they got there.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Like Tony Soprano, these Millenial power kids inherited something that was already dying when they got there.

    To be technical, Tony was a Boomer. His kids were millennials. Things were going down the tubes by the time Tony came of age, but they hadn’t yet cratered. Moreover, Tony was smart (to an extent), tough, and capable (to an extent). He was up to handling his business-if not perfectly, then effectively.

    The kids came of age when things were pretty much becoming crap and rot (and about to get much worse), and neither one was worth a shit.

  234. If a birthday party I was dragooned into attending the other day is any indication, Depp won the tweens. At the first mention of it, the tween girls launched into how awful Heard is… Anecdotal, take it for what it’s worth.

  235. @OilcanFloyd
    @Anon


    Her roots are freaking black, dude. Just look at them and stop the lies.
     
    She's definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color, I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.

    Replies: @John Plywood

    She’s definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color,

    As opposed to the actual black hair roots you can see with your own two eyes? Keep dreaming.

    I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.

    Definition of a dreamer. Bleached hair can’t make brown look black. Her eyebrows and her roots are black. Most blue eyed Americans have extremely dark hair. Hardly anybody out here is naturally yellow haired.

    Amber Heard when she was young before the hair bleaching:

    Let’s see here:

    Black roots, chocolate brown hair

    Mexican-tier swarthy brown skin coloration

    Eyes possibly not even blue, may be wearing color contacts

    Appears to have darker skin and eye color than Johnny Depp, the castizo.

    Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams but this woman is not even naturally white.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @John Plywood

    That can't be a serious reply.

  236. @J.Ross
    @R.G. Camara

    Was ukulele-playing, old-camera-and-typewriter-collecting, manic pixie dream girl a thing existing in the 90s? I thought it was the celebrity representation of 2000s hipsters (90s equivalent, insofar as they existed = "indie," as in "independent" creative. 90s were close enough to 80s yuppies for this to not be a good look). Winona Ryder was goth-adjacent rocker, not a MPDG. Or was that 90s thing where girls wore masculine fabrics and colors, and military boots, a kind of MPDG?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @S Johnson, @R.G. Camara, @MEH 0910

  237. @Buzz Mohawk

    ... the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) ...
     
    One recent evening I walked into the living room and found my wife, the television aficionado, flipping channels. She happened upon a replay of the day's Depp vs. Heard trial, and for a couple of minutes we watched Johnny Depp describe how he passed out from drugs in the bathroom of a private jet and rode that way on the floor all the way from NY to LA.

    Then my wife exclaimed, "Why is this on TV? Who cares?!" and she continued flipping channels. That's my girl. I'm so proud of her.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @silviosilver, @MEH 0910

    https://people.com/politics/kellyanne-conway-worried-about-marriage-love-must-come-with-respect-exclusive/


    [MORE]
  238. @J1234

    That the part of the public that is following this case (probably heavily female or gay) is not mindlessly rooting for Amber Heard as a member of Team Women like they are supposed to, but is instead listening carefully and deciding between two individuals, is driving the gatekeepers nuts.
     
    Yes, for whatever reason, the Depp/Heard legal squabble seems strangely disconnected from the usual wokeness and PC vibes that come out of Hollywood. I place very little value on all of this, however. They're just a couple of wealthy losers who ultimately deserved each other, even if only for a couple of unhappy years of marriage.

    As is often the case with these highly publicized celebrity disputes, it's my impression that I'm not really paying much attention to it, yet I'm surprised that I know as much about it as I do. The story is everywhere. It's yet another case of useless information pursuing the public rather than the public pursuing useless information. I'd never even heard of Amber Heard (no pun intended) before this trial...and Johnny Depp is on people's radar again... so maybe that's the point of all of this (?)

    BTW, how many weeks has this trial been going on? Why do they deserve a longer trial than Derek Chauvin?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Why do they deserve a longer trial than Derek Chauvin?

    Stalin’s trials did not take long. Justice can be streamlined, when the verdict has been decided beforehand. You only need go as long as you need for appearances/proper messaging.

  239. @AndrewR
    @R.G. Camara

    Harry seems very similar to his great great uncle Edward, who also had severe insecurities stemming from his parents, and who also married a middle aged, divorced, social-climbing American. But I have heard a convincing claim put forth that Wallis did not really want to marry Edward but felt pressured to marry him by his alleged threats of suicide. Of course, all the evidence we have is letters written by long-dead people. Whereas with Meghan, it is completely clear that she is a predatory sociopath. I imagine the entire family had her pegged from the beginning but Harry blackmailed them into accepting her by threatening to reveal all the family's dirty secrets. Well, now it's clear they didn't gain anything through appeasement.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Inquiring Mind

    Why doesn’t Boris do something about this? Direct the Special Air Service commandos to repatriate Harry and Archie, placing Harry in the Tower of London for deprogramming and annulling the marriage by Act of Parliament?

    If Parliament back then had a voice in the whole matter with Edward, why cannot the current PM straighten out the current crisis by taking the actions I am suggesting?

  240. @John Plywood
    @OilcanFloyd


    She’s definitely not a platinum blonde naturally, but based on skin and eye color,
     
    As opposed to the actual black hair roots you can see with your own two eyes? Keep dreaming.

    I doubt she has naturally black hair. Light blonde or platinum highlights or coloring will make the roots of darker shades of blonde or sandy brown hair look very dark. She probably had sandy or light brown hair naturally.
     
    Definition of a dreamer. Bleached hair can't make brown look black. Her eyebrows and her roots are black. Most blue eyed Americans have extremely dark hair. Hardly anybody out here is naturally yellow haired.


    Amber Heard when she was young before the hair bleaching:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2012/06/27/article-2165257-13D07BCE000005DC-726_308x185.jpg


    Let's see here:

    Black roots, chocolate brown hair

    Mexican-tier swarthy brown skin coloration

    Eyes possibly not even blue, may be wearing color contacts


    Appears to have darker skin and eye color than Johnny Depp, the castizo.

    Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams but this woman is not even naturally white.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    That can’t be a serious reply.

  241. @Spangel226
    @theMann

    When depp married her, I would have called heard one of the greatest natural beauties in the world.

    depp was a pretty man who loves a classically pretty face. He dated Winona, then Vanessa paridis and then amber heard- all women with a certain kind of symmetrical neotonous beauty. And as far as men go, depp was a guy with the same kind of face.

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints. Half the problem in that relationship was depp, who had issues with drunken rages long before she came along.

    I won’t say she doesn’t deserve at least some of the flack she is getting, but he doesn’t deserve the kind of obsessively devoted fandom he seems to have in the case.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @R.G. Camara, @Jim Don Bob

    She’s a headcase, but other famous men have dated her without complaints.

    CDAN intimated that Musk was banging AH.

  242. @R.G. Camara
    @theMann


    That being said, Amber Heard strikes me as just a stunningly nasty piece of work. Seriously, Johnny Depp is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and that is who he picks?
     
    And Prince Harry of the UK could've had any 21-year-old worshipful, obedient blond or redheaded beauty in the entire Commonwealth of nations and chose....mid-30s divorcee mulatto B-list actress Megan Markle?

    Recall that Depp had that huge failed relationship with Winona Ryder in the 90s. It was a whirlwind romance as Ryder, the 90s poster child for Manic Pixie Dream Girl, picked up Depp, whirled him around, and then threw him down without warning. Depp had even gotten a large tattoo on his arm (back when tattoos were rare) that said "Winona Forever" that he later changed to "Wino Forever" (a fact that Heard testified to torturing Depp with).

    I think its obvious that Heard and Markle are top-flight sociopaths who targeted uber-famous, uber-wealthy men with terrible insecurities.

    Both Depp and Harry scream mommy issues, and once Heard/Markle figured out exactly what the insecurities were they (1) played on the insecurities like a drummer at a rock concert; and (2) had the most amazing mind-blowing sex with their mark to convince him it was true love. After about 6 months to a year of that treatment, Depp and Harry were putty in their hands.

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he's bonded to her and becomes hers. As any film noir implies. And a top-flight sociopathic female will figure out exactly what kind of sex to give her mark to get him broken down.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Anon, @Luddite in Chief, @Luddite in Chief, @AndrewR, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    It really is true that if a woman f****s a man just right he’s bonded to her and becomes hers.

    “Men are like linoleum. Lay them right and you can walk all over them for years.”

  243. Hmmm … As a younger man, I considered Amber Heard as someone to fall in love with after viewing the movie Drive Angry with Nick Cage and Her in the main roles – you know, hormones, beautiful, lively, healthy, sort of fun to be around. But, I watched the movie again after reading SSailer’s article and would now consider that any actress who could act like that in a movie was bound to be trouble – it seemed she was just too natural at being violent.

    BTW, I think the French directors/producers make the best movies, second maybe the Italians. Hasbara movies seem to be lack in depth (… consider the remake of ‘True Grit’). The English make good, but boring movies, and the Americans traditionally make movies with really coarse behavior, probably due to lack of social training across the economic spectrum.

    So, it seems reasonable (to me, anyway) that a lot of other hormone saturated males drooled over Amber Heard after seeing her in the movies – then we get into female ‘search for security and status’ meme and the consequent becoming insanely out of control (… see Kate Brown, Jacinta Adhern, Gretchen Whitmer, et. al.). Plus, in the current social environment, Tumblr ‘Post-Glee Neo Humans’ have exacerbated the social climate (as opposed to ‘Pre-Glee Proto-Human’ like me – can I use this as a pronoun if asked to declare?).

    Plus, I like Johnny Depp movies and I think he should be given more roles.

  244. Young Amber Heard:
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4t7JoShpzxk/V2CDu6egqeI/AAAAAAAAAec/6gXlWs4z9F4H5NBYIOOwCdmXHvOvISViwCLcB/s1600/Amber%2BHeard%

    Probably a light brown or dark blonde as an adult, if it matters. Medium brown is unlikely, but it’s highly unlikely that her hair turned black. She’s pretty light all around.

  245. Johnny Depp is a saint:

    https://people.com/movies/kate-moss-testifies-for-ex-johnny-depp-in-amber-heard-trial/

  246. RAZ says:
    @Anon
    @Right_On


    Johnny Depp’s finest hour was playing a rare-book dealer in Roman Polanski’s occult mystery The Ninth Gate.
     
    Good movie, great score/soundtrack. The book is better, by a Spanish ex-television news reporter. He has a series about a swashbuckling swordsman, which I haven't read, but his freestanding mystery-thrillers are really good and on the weird side and have mostly been translated into English.

    The recent book The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood is sort of a condensed triple biography of Polanski, Jack Nicholson, and Robert Evans, along with a making-of description of Chinatown and The Two Jakes. Quite interesting, and Polanski was interviewed for the book, along with Evans shortly before his death. Nicholson didn't talk. Dunaway asked for a percentage of the book revenue and had to be politely told that wasn't the way it worked in nonfiction publishing, which in any event is not that lucrative.

    Replies: @Right_On, @RAZ

    Chinatown makes my top 5 favorite movies list and The Big Goodbye was very good. Reaffirmed what I had heard of Dunaway being wacko and Nicholson being great. Read elsewhere of Nicolson showing up every day for the movie knowing his lines and everyone else’s (don’t know if that is often the case). Comes up in the book that this may have been the last movie Nicholson was willing to do without a percentage of the box office.

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