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Delaware has typically been the most corporate-friendly state going back to DuPont and the War of 1812, so it’s not surprising that former Senator Joe Biden (D-DE, 1972-2008) is proposing no jail time for white collar criminals:

The fact of the matter is that what’s happened is that we’re in a situation now where there are so many people who are in jail and shouldn’t be in jail. The whole means by which this should change is the whole model has to change. We should be talking about rehabilitation.

Nobody should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.

I get the feeling the Joe’s millennial aides actually believe that freeing all nonviolent criminals would help blacks out on the average because everybody knows blacks can’t be as violent as whites, because blacks are Good.

Joe, on the other hand, probably knows the truth, but figures his donors like the sound of not having to worry about imprisonment.

 
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  1. Ed says:

    Joe Biden’s strength comes from black voters. The problem for him is that the first 3 states have few black voters. He could very well lose the first 3 states of IA, NH and NV. Will black voters in SC and after stuck with him if he suffers 3 defeats? Will his remaining non-black supporters remain?

    • Replies: @res
  2. Sean says:

    The mote and the beam.

    https://www.glaucoma.org/treatment/should-you-be-smoking-marijuana-to-treat-your-glaucoma-1.php

    https://whyy.org/articles/marijuana-legalization-bill-clears-delaware-house-committee/

    Even if cannabis is legal in your state, you can go back to doing Buck Rogers time in a Federal prison on cannabis in your house as a parole violation, if the Feds exercise their right to check up.

    • Replies: @mmack
  3. Ano says:

    Oh, the policy he’s proposing is for his donors’ benefit; not Hunter’s. OK. Sorry Mr Sailer, my bad.

  4. Come on. Let’s not nitpick. What Joe meant was “no black person should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.” A mere slip of the tongue.

  5. Jesse says:

    One of the intriguing things about Biden is that, for whatever reason, he’s in the habit of blurting out the logical conclusion of the Woke agenda.

    On “criminal justice reform”, a lot of its suppporters on the ground are amazingly uninformed about the reality of crime. They really think there’s a vast untapped market of either innocent people – or at least found with a speck of weed – currently incarcerated.

    It’s just amazing, that they can DEMAND an end to the carceral state on the one hand, then spit nails at vile crimes getting little to no punishment, and see no connection. I make no claims to great intelligence, but having that small a frame of reference, and being that ill informed, boggles the mind.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  6. mmack says:
    @Sean

    Please, the bloody eyeball is so last week. This week Joe’s teeth want to make a break for it:

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dental-malfunction-joe-bidens-teeth-appeared-to-almost-fall-out-of-his-mouth-during-debate/

    As a political commentator said yesterday on a radio show I was listening to: “If I were in Joe Biden’s head, I’d want to get out too.”

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @(((Owen)))
  7. Dr. X says:

    Sure seems like they’re ready to throw 15 million white men into prison for owning AR-15s, though…

    • Replies: @Kronos
  8. Funny, because Mark Steyn’s article headline on the BS* is “Vinyl Score.”

    But Biden is wrong anyway. People who are proven to be a danger to society should be imprisoned for the crimes they commit, and the idea of prison as rehabilitation is an exercise in futility. Prison is for punishment and should be made deliberately undesirable.

    *Biden Solution

    • Replies: @Odin
  9. So there’s a chance Joe will raise more Corporate Ca$h than Hillary?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  10. Joe, on the other hand, probably knows the truth, but figures his donors like the sound of not having to worry about imprisonment.

    That is a really great insight, Steve, and part of the reason I read your stuff*. Part of Delaware’s friendliness is, of course, the tax-avoidance benefit of being able to incorporate in the “1st State” from anywhere.

    I never did get that. (Jack D.?) I know plenty of people in one certain realm of endeavor a majority of whom incorporate in Delaware, but how does our state not say “no way – we’re gonna make you pay”? I don’t lose sleep over it, though.

    .

    * along with the commenting and plugging of my site, of course.

  11. “moderate and deteriorating dementia is the only credible signal of resistance to political correctness”

    Tulsi Gabbard FTW.

    Of course the Powers That Be have declared Tulsi a Nazi because people like me can see she’s not insane.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @e
    , @MBlanc46
  12. Regarding that Toad’s tweet, at this point adult-onset Dementia would be a very welcome development for the Democrat side of The Party. It compares favorably to the early-onset Stage II Dementia that I’ve been observing in the Socialist Millennials.

    As a Doctor of Stupidity, for me the signs are obvious.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  13. Wouldn’t corporate donors logically want stiff penalties for white collar criminals to deter people from embezzling from them, distorting markets, increasing transactional costs, etc.?

  14. Presumably, “possession of a firearm in violation of Beto O’Rourko’s gun confiscation edict” would be a non-violent offense. So I fear that the various Democratic policies may be at cross-purposes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, contrary to popular belief, American blacks have a higher incidence of being indicted for crimes of fraud, forgery, embezzlement etc than do white Americans.

    • Agree: Alden
  16. @Simon in London

    people like me can see she’s not insane

    Tulsi has been married twice to guys who are comparatively losers. She also has no children at 38. Are we sure she isn’t insane? I think people are rooting for her because she is relatively attractive for a politician.

  17. Anon7 says:

    What a blowhard. Where’s my red pen…

    [The fact of the matter] delete [is that what’s happened] delete [is that we’re in a situation now] delete [where there are so many] delete people [who are in jail and] delete shouldn’t be in jail. [The whole means by which this should change is] delete [the whole model has to change. ] delete [We should be talking about rehabilitation.] delete

    Nobody should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.”

    Here’s what remains:

    people… shouldn’t be in jail… Nobody should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.

    Is he nuts? We already knew that he believes that entering the country without permission is not a crime, but no nonviolent crime requires prison time? Is he nuts?

  18. Hans says:

    Joe’s done. He’s got to go. He done said black “families” need to do a better job of raising their sprog.

    AM Joy has called for his head and will broadcast his necklacing live. Or else!

  19. TGGP says: • Website

    A lot of people assume that “white-collar” criminals are overwhelmingly white. After all, “white” is right in the description and the term comes from a division of occupational class. But a whole lot of people are convicted of things like “fraud” which is white-collar as far as criminal offenses go even if they aren’t white-collar in occupation or just plain white. The prisons are not full of people like Bernie Madoff, who can usually afford good lawyers unless there’s a lot of overwhelming evidence of large scale crime. On the other hand, I don’t know that someone who takes a plea on some small-scale fraud charges is going to serve a lot of time in prison.

    If the prison population is going to be seriously reduced, it will have to involve people convicted of violent crimes. The late Mark Kleiman’s plan was to drastically enhance our parole system via things like GPS ankle-bracelets and immediate jail time for any parole violation, inspired by the success of Hawaii’s H.O.P.E program that got repeatedly recidivist meth-addict burglars to go clean and stay out of trouble. I think there was a lot of promise in that idea, but it’s mostly wonks discussing it rather than any politicians.

  20. El Dato says:

    What about the Vinyl Countdown?

  21. e says:
    @Simon in London

    She’s not crazy but she’s as much a weak pol as the next guy or gal. She wants to “study reparations.”

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  22. tyrone says:

    No jail time for nonviolent criminals……..unless their name is Paul Manafort.

  23. res says:
    @Ed

    You make a good point. Biden is polling fairly well in the first 3 states, but much better in the South.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Iowa_caucus

  24. Nobody should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.

    There is some logic in the argument, however this would bring about vast changes in the correctional system in the US, which would have various consequences.

    I worked in a prison for a while, and I would estimate that the index offense of record of as many as 50% of the inmates I saw was “burglary of an unoccupied structure” which I don’t think would be defined as a violent crime. Other common crimes included check forging, automobile theft and document forgery, and drug dealing.

    But the vast majority of convictions are plea-bargained allowing offenders to plead guilty to a lesser charge and obtain a lighter sentence rather than go to trial and risk a much heavier sentence–so who knows that the offenders had actually done?

    If you introduced a system where violent offenses could potentially be plea bargained down to nonviolent offenses without prison terms, you might end up with a lot more very dangerous people on the streets from whom society might well want to be protected.

  25. unit472 says:
    @TGGP

    Petty ( or violent) criminals are seldom in the position to commit the high dollar ( $10k+ ) embezzling or fraud schemes that will get you multi-year prison terms. Still lots of negro criminals engage in credit card and check cashing schemes that utilize volume to make up for the lower amount involved per transaction. Even here though the negro fraudsters will often use a white women as their ‘front’ as a tattooed ex-con trying to cash a $2000 check is going to undergo greater scrutiny than a middle aged white women.

    • Replies: @Alden
  26. @TGGP

    Middle Easterners seem to be extremely prolific white collar criminals.

  27. Maybe Joe Biden is a Seahawks fan?

    Back when Michael Kendricks was one of the good players on the Cleveland Browns, he got some hot stock tips from an investment banker in New York. These tips were so good that he tried having his poor housemate cover his tracks. The Feds caught them and made them face the Prisoner’s Dilemma. Kendricks and his source pled guilty to felonies; the housemate still faces trial. The Browns fired Kendricks.

    The Seahawks were the only NFL team willing to hire an admitted white-collar felon. At the time, they were desperate for help at linebacker; now they have one of the best groups of linebackers in the league (especially when Kendricks is not suspended by the NFL, and for as long as Kendricks can stay out of prison).

    Paul Allen must have approved the hire. Until his cancer got really bad, Allen could often be seen hanging around the Seahawks practice facility. He stood out because he was the only guy in a suit. Allen knew a few things about business practices — his fortune came from being one of the founders of Microsoft; he took a cable company he controlled through bankruptcy to wipe out $ 8 billion of debt; and he held the Seahawks through a trust.

    Kendricks is currently scheduled to be sentenced in November, just before the Seahawks play the Eagles in Philadelphia. If Biden has season tickets to the Eagles, he can see the game in person.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  28. Corrupt bankers, crooked financiers, and real estate hustlers can do massive systemic damage to a country’s institutions and destroy the economic wellbeing of thousands, millions. These are all nonviolent, white collar crimes; but they are much more damaging in the end then the creep thief who snatches the purse from on old lady and runs away into the arms of the policeman. In China and Vietnam, they recognize this; and that’s why they simply plug such offenders without much ado.

    This is what we need to do in America if we’re going to start restoring some semblance of justice. The oligarchic class has gotten away with everything for too long and they operate without fear of reprisal. The chief criminals among us are men like Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and Tim Cook. Let them be punished first; then move down through the ranks of politicians, lawyers, academics, journalists, Wall Street traders, permanent bureaucrats, and FIRE grifters; then smash the creep thieves and dope dealers.

    We don’t need “rehabilitation” in this country, we need punishment. Pure, ruthless, manly punishment. And it needs to start at the top of the oligarchic crap-heap.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  29. notsaying says:

    I’d like to see a whole lot more white collar criminals in jail, not fewer.

    People with money are brazen about committing crimes because they assume, with much evidence on their side, that nothing much will happen to them. I was delighted to see Bernie Madoff get a long sentence. I long to see thousands of employers of illegal immigrants behind bars.

    I think we should be looking to make our laws more just and our punishments more fair. In some cases that would reduce sentences but in others the sentences would increase. We should also be looking at how we treat former prisoners on the outside; if they can’t find housing or jobs then of course they will be more likely to reoffend.

  30. Overheard at McDonald’s:

    “Jeet Heer?”

    “No, I just came in to use the bathroom.”

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  31. I’m fine having a smaller prison population … as long as these people aren’t amongst us.

    I think we could clear out a few Aleutian Islands and settle them there. Various islands for various severity of crimes. Hire some Aleuts to give basic survival–fishing/clothing/shelter–instruction to the more worthy–i.e. less repugnant–criminals. Then we just dump ’em there and be done with them.

    Seriously, i have zero use for the “non-violent”–the burglars, the car thieves, the credit card theives, the car window smash and grabbers, the porch pirates, etc. etc. They made their choice how to live their lives–to actively make life worse for everyone else. They’ve demonstrated how much they value the society they live in. Take them at their word. Take out the trash!

    Of course, this approach requires a nation that is a nation. That enforces its border. That is a people and a culture that value themselves, their past, their children, their future.

  32. @AnotherDad

    Of course, this approach requires a nation that is a nation. That enforces its border. That is a people and a culture that value themselves, their past, their children, their future.

    In other words, it ain’t happenin’.

  33. @Jonathan Mason

    If you introduced a system where violent offenses could potentially be plea bargained down to nonviolent offenses without prison terms, you might end up with a lot more very dangerous people on the streets from whom society might well want to be protected.

    This argument has also been made by Ann Coulter. She wrote about a criminal, who had broken into a house and raped the home-owner. When the police caught him he struck a deal with the prosecutor and the rape-charge was dropped in exchange for him pleading guilty to burglary.
    A few years later, there was a prison-reform in the state and since his official crime was a mere burglary he was deemed a nonviolent criminal and therefore released a lot earlier. A short time after his release he committed another violent crime (I think it was another rape, but I am not sure).

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  34. Fine,

    Free Felicity Huffman!

    Free Heidi Fleiss!

    • Replies: @Pericles
  35. J.Ross says:

    Think of the respect everyone would discover for Joe if we had interpreted this as the former vice president attempting to deceive the brothas, especially regarding marijuana arrests.
    That’s how messed up these Democrats are.

  36. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @TGGP

    Amongst Democrats there’s this myth that a huge number of black people are in (private) prisons for “getting caught with a gram of weed.” It’s nonsense, and most honest criminal-justice reformers (e.g., John Pfaff) will say as much. Convictions for murder, assault, theft, rape and dealing large quantities of drugs are the norm amongst prisoners. Maybe you could make the case a lot of that is overcharging on the part of prosecutors, but that’s not what the left are saying. And of course Biden doesn’t mean what he says: if pressed, I’m sure he’d say that e.g. the sentence for Felicity Huffman was an outrage because it was too *low*.

    As far as “white-collar crime,” I’d guess most of it is low-level fraud involving government programs: Medicare fraud, food-stamp fraud, things like that. Probably a lot of Indians, MENA types and Eastern Europeans. I don’t consider some junkie bouncing checks or forging prescriptions to be “white collar” in any meaningful sense of the word.

  37. J.Ross says:
    @AnotherDad

    I have thought this for a long time. Punishment is a consensual act, it has to be accepted by the recipient. I defeat any punishment you can think up when I declare myself to be a martyr for some cause, which is what every single black criminal does. Furthermore, I lose nothing by “freeing” or not taking a pound of flesh from anyone, so long as a pedophile can’t get near a schoolyard and an established violent thug can’t meander conveniently closer to a woman loosely holding her purse.
    Our law is a palimpsest of lies that nobody living ever believed in.

  38. BB753 says:

    It makes sense for a politician like Biden to make such a proposal, since by definition all politicians are white collar criminals.

  39. Pericles says:
    @The Alarmist

    In an earlier era, Joe Biden would have apologetically released Al Capone.

  40. @ScarletNumber

    Agreed. Palin had her fan club due to hotness, but she doesn’t seem to be too stable by judging her kids and marriage.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  41. Bill P says:

    I guess a lot of millennials don’t understand that crime has consequences even when it isn’t “violent”. You work hard and save up for a brand new computer that costs $1,500. If you’re some kid working for $15/hour, that’s three weeks of full-time work after taxes.

    So you buy the computer, set it up and you’re happy. Then some junkie breaks in and steals it while you’re busting your ass at some lousy job. The junkie trades it for a couple days worth of smack and then it gets sold on Craigslist.

    So the thief basically enslaved you for a few weeks so he could get high and help enrich a drug dealer. Isn’t there something violent about stealing someone’s labor? Isn’t that a very nasty thing to do to someone?

    Maybe if your parents always put you up you might not get it, or you might not care, but that still shows either a lack of intelligence or empathy for those who have to work for a living. Doesn’t reflect well on our elite young woke activists.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  42. If they still had record stores or punk bands, now I know what I’d call mine.

  43. Hans says:

    Exposing the Trayvon Martin Hoax – https://townhall.com/columnists/williammarshall/2019/09/13/exposing-the-trayvon-martin-hoax-n2553059

    “The problem for the prosecutors of Zimmerman was that the real Diamond Eugene (the primary “witness”) refused to testify, probably realizing that she was digging a deeper and deeper hole for herself. So somehow, another woman named Rachel Jeantel pretending to be “Diamond” took the stand, in what became one of the most farcical courtroom spectacles ever witnessed, as her fraudulence quickly became apparent while she unraveled on the witness stand. The real Diamond Eugene never appeared to the public, however.”

    The movie – https://www.thetrayvonhoax.com/

  44. @Bill P

    America worked because of property rights.

    The Awokening doesn’t like the idea of property government can’t take.

    The NBA had a conversation about team owners, because you know, slaves had owners. Doesn’t seem far away from a society-wide conversation about ‘property.’

    You didn’t build that, you didn’t earn that, you don’t own that. Give it here.

  45. unit472 says:

    I’ll resurrect my proposal to not put anyone in prison here. The technology exists to temporarily ‘blind’ people by inserting opaque covers in their eyes. It can be done for a couple of thousand dollars and the ‘cataracts’ can be removed at the end of their sentence. Criminals can then be released to the care of their families or kept in minimum security barracks for the duration. They won’t escape! The only real control would be to prevent a temporarily blinded criminal from going to Mexico etc. and have the ‘blinders’ removed prematurely by a doctor there.

    Blind people have a very hard time robbing, assaulting, shooting or otherwise bothering people with sight.

  46. G. Poulin says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Yeah, but we must remember : rooting her and voting for her are two very different things.

  47. El Dato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Is it something in the water? Or trans fats? Or the sushi??

  48. 45 comments and not a single person mentions “okay not gonna pay my taxes” as the very obvious first stage consequence? Shame!

  49. A vinyl solution for Joe:

  50. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @anonymous
  51. @L Woods

    “People love to talk about conflicts interracially,” he told the reporter Ken Foskett, who published a biography of Thomas, “Judging Thomas,” in 2004. “They never talk about the conflicts and tensions intraracially.”

    Steve does. Derb does.

    That’s why we come here.

  52. @GermanReader2

    This argument has also been made by Ann Coulter.

    Well, I have never thought much of Ann Coulter, but I think she is spot on with that. Great minds think alike (though fools seldom differ.)

    • Replies: @Alden
  53. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @ScarletNumber

    Tulsi is a former righty who went hard Left on government intervention and libertarian on morality. She’s basically a wet dream for secular-minded milf-loving lefties who have some vestiges of patriotism and rule of law but also want some of the 1% to be taken down—e.g. Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore (both of whom love her) .

    Her stance on abortion alone makes her further right than everyone else running for the D’s—she wants the third trimester ones blocked.

    But she’s nuts.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @bomag
  54. No little girls got molested. There was no plagiarism. Joe’s teeth did not fall out. His eye did not fill with blood. He did not forget which state he was in. It was, quite frankly, Joe Biden’s finest hour.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. Ed says:

    The Trump/Kushner/Kardashian First Step Act has already freed a non-violent White collar criminal.

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/12/ex-billionaire-raj-rajaratnam-spotted-leaving-17-5m-pad-after-prison-release/

    Rajaratnam was released from prison more than two years early thanks in part to the First Step Act, a series of criminal justice reforms that President Trump signed into law last year after Kim Kardashian lobbied for it. He had originally been sentenced to 11 years behind bars following a seven-week insider trading trial that resulted in him being found guilty on all 14 counts of conspiracy and securities fraud.

  56. Sean says:
    @mmack

    The extreme amount of work he has had done on his mouth probably liberated a lot of gum bacteria, increasingly suspected to cause memory loss, that got into his brain.

  57. Alden says:
    @unit472

    I was a probation officer. I’m familiar with blacks using women to cash stolen checks and credit cards. As I remember they always used black women to cash the stolen checks.

    Affirmative action story. Back in the olden days before direct pay check deposit, the local federal building hired a lot of black women with criminal records as some sort of assistant clerks. Basically hang around an office during the day and get paid for it.

    So, she started on Monday. Wednesday was the regular payday. Supervisor told her to go down to payroll and pick up the units paychecks. She picked up the paychecks and left. Couple hours later currency exchanges all over town were calling police about blacks trying to cash federal paychecks. She just called her boyfriend and gave him and his crew the checks.

    Her tested IQ was around 70 I remember. It’s hard for normal people to understand how low the IQs of black criminals are.

    Lots of my guys got caught using women’s stolen credit cards soon after the theft. They were so dumb they didn’t realize the clerks wouldn’t notice that Rodney or Antwan wasn’t Sheila or Susan.

    White white collar criminals almost never get involved with black white collar criminals because black criminals are so dumb and basically retarded. Same thing with violent crime auto theft and crime in general.

    In addition to being dumb as rocks, blacks draw the attention of police by fighting, blowing through red lights speeding domestic and neighbor dispute calls, calls to child services tenants calling police on other tenants.

    White criminals with warrants out are scrupulous drivers and don’t attack random stranger about parking spaces etc. blacks with warrants out go on their merry way of traffic violations fights domestic and neighbor disputes.

  58. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Coulter favors affirmative action and lives with a black man. Nuff said

  59. Jack D says:

    This is giving Joe too much credit. This was just Joe misspeaking or half remembering the talking points that he had been given by his speechwriters and having them come out garbled. What is was really trying to say was that non-violent BLACK felons should not go to prison. In particular drug dealers – you’re caught with 5 kilos of dope – no jail time. This was an applause line for the black audience.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  60. @Confounded

    I wonder if Steve feels any kinship with Paul Allen as they were both survivors of lymphoma.

    Allen is interesting in that he retired from Microsoft at 29 due to his lymphoma. Not only was he a college dropout, but he dropped out of Washington State. Gates felt that since he gave up more by dropping out of Harvard, he should have a bigger share of Microsoft and once he got it proceeded to turn the screws more and more on Allen.

  61. @Ron Mexico

    There is also the reverse phenomenon— people who find a particular lady attractive or unattractive depending on their level of agreement with her political views.

    Two interesting examples— Ann Coulter and AOC.

    The official right wing view is that Ms. Coulter is attractive (or at least was attractive back in the 1990s), but AOC looks like a horse.

    The official left wing view is Ms. Coulter is too masculine to be attractive but AOC is attractive.

    Neither are particularly my type. Maybe it’s because I once saw Ms. Coulter on TV ranting like a harpy, which did not appeal to me. Maybe AOC’s narcissism and arrogance turns me off.

  62. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Senor Moose

    I didn’t know we were ruled by edict, ukase or fatwa. Thanks for informing us of this new development in post-American jurisprudence.

  63. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    No personal knowledge but when working at a GE facility they always had the GE owned channel for newstainment on and Ann was frequently on screen. Mgmt referred to Ann as “Dash Nine” and that seemed to be her official GE in house nickname.

    Management there was very liberal, the HR head was head of the regional GE LGBTQA group too, but there was no seeming malice in this reference.

    What a Dash Nine is (it’s no longer a GE product) and what such things do functionally I’ll leave to the reader to find out if you don’t know. But apparently Ann is widely considered to come by this nickname honestly. Not always by political foes.

    • Replies: @onetwothree
  64. @AnotherDad

    Hire some Aleuts to give basic survival–fishing/clothing/shelter–instruction to the more worthy–i.e. less repugnant–criminals. Then we just dump ’em there and be done with them.

    It is an amusing fantasy, but nothing more. Criminals have to be provided with health care, protected from other criminals who are more predatory or in gangs, and crimes committed while imprisoned have to be sanctioned in the form of loss of gain time, otherwise chaos ensues. And what is to stop these criminals from bribing or killing their Aleut instructors with weapons made from fishing gear to obtain boat rides, or just steal the boats to leave the penal island?

  65. @Paleo Liberal

    Two interesting examples— Ann Coulter and AOC.

    Neither has much sex appeal, based on their TV/Youtube image, if that is what you mean by attractiveness, but AOC is younger, which gives her the edge.

  66. Kronos says:
    @Redneck farmer

    That’s a really good question.

  67. @Intelligent Dasein

    The chief criminals among us are men like Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and Tim Cook. Let them be punished first; then move down through the ranks of politicians, lawyers, academics, journalists, Wall Street traders, permanent bureaucrats, and FIRE grifters; then smash the creep thieves and dope dealers.

    Is there some law that Bezos has broken? In what way is he a criminal? Or is he just a hoarder and a wrecker?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  68. Kronos says:
    @Dr. X

    Remember, white men are the medium for transferring hate and hostility amongst the Coalition of the Fringes. When women go off on black men, they show white men in a bad light and subsequently show black men in a good light (remember the Gillette commercial?) The positive view of the Old Spice dude demonstrated the desired outcome out of black men.

    White men are the future psychic piñatas of identity politics. Nobody wants to take criticism or shame anymore. Blacks and Hispanics will communicate amongst each other via attacking white dudes.

  69. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias

    It was, quite frankly, Joe Biden’s finest hour.

  70. Peterike says:

    OT: this is a very iStevey story.

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/14/maspeth-high-schools-secret-to-high-pass-rates-is-cheating-teachers/

    Kindly note the ethnicities of the main scoundrels in this tale of low trust immigrant corruption and further validation of Peterike’s Law.

  71. @e

    I support Tulsi but if she actually comes out in favor of reparations, I’m out. Reparations are racist.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  72. istevefan says:

    From May 2013.

    Biden Praises Jews, Goes Too Far, Accidentally Thrills Anti-Semites

    “The embrace of immigration” is part of that, as is the involvement of Jews in social justice movements.

    “You can’t talk about the civil rights movement in this country without talking about Jewish freedom riders and Jack Greenberg,” he said, telling a story about seeing a group of Jewish activists at a segregated movie theater in Delaware. “You can’t talk about the women’s movement without talking about Betty Friedan” …

    “I believe what affects the movements in America, what affects our attitudes in America are as much the culture and the arts as anything else,” he said. That’s why he spoke out on gay marriage “apparently a little ahead of time.”

    “It wasn’t anything we legislatively did. It was ‘Will and Grace,’ it was the social media. Literally. That’s what changed peoples’ attitudes. That’s why I was so certain that the vast majority of people would embrace and rapidly embrace” gay marriage, Biden said.

    “Think behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry. The influence is immense, the influence is immense. And, I might add, it is all to the good.”

  73. MBlanc46 says:
    @Simon in London

    If she’s still a Democrat, she’s either insane or evil.

  74. @mmack

    “If I were in Joe Biden’s head, I’d want to get out too.”

    I don’t know. There’s lots of free space there, though not much light gets in.

  75. 6dust6 says:
    @AnotherDad

    Read Eric Hoffer’s essay, The Role Of The Undesirables.

  76. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Coulter is a 57 year old spinster who has always colored her hair; she didn’t come to public attention until she was nearly 40. A video of AOC shot in 2010 illustrates that she’s aging badly.

    One curio about the Republican blonde squad is that they generally seem to have truncated lives. Ann Coulter and Monica Crowley are childless spinsters. Dana Perino is married but childless. Peggy Noonan married late in life and divorced after a few years; she has one child and no grandchildren. Meghan McCain married late and hasn’t been able to produce a child. Laura Ingraham has never married; she has a mess of adopted kids (one hopes she doesn’t have a thing about wire hangars). Kathleen Parker married late to a middle-aged divorce with two children; she has one child.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Ed
    , @Neil Templeton
  77. L Woods says:
    @Art Deco

    Yeah, they call them “trad thots” for a reason.

  78. @Jesse

    On “criminal justice reform”, a lot of its suppporters on the ground are amazingly uninformed about the reality of crime. They really think there’s a vast untapped market of either innocent people – or at least found with a speck of weed – currently incarcerated.

    A lot of people on the right are under this impression, too. It’s mainly older folks. I don’t know how many arguments I’ve been in with old timers who apparently think it’s still 1960 and simple possession of a nickel bag will get you six months to a year in the clink.

    If you’re doing more than a couple of days (and that’s rare), it’s because you’ve had multiple convictions. If you’re doing hard time, it’s because the amount involved passed the threshold to charge with felony intent to distribute, or you were doing something really bad at the time of arrest, but it was easier to just throw the book at you for possession.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  79. @Jonathan Mason

    Joseph Wambaugh has a line about burglary being a non violent crime in The New Centurions (pub. about 1970). The character says something to the effect of “Sure, it’s a nonviolent crime, until the burglar finds your wife or daughter alone in the house and decides to make the crime a twofer.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  80. @kaganovitch

    He’s certainly a hoarder and a wrecker and an all-around globalist piece of shit, but he has definitely broken the law when it came to procuring the Defense Department’s cloud contract.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-29/inside-amazon-and-silicon-valleys-jedi-mind-trick-pentagon

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Jack D
  81. Ed says:
    @Art Deco

    Meghan married in her mid 30s and recently miscarried. I’m sure they’ll try again.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  82. @Fidelios Automata

    I’m racist but I don’t support reparations.

  83. @Art Deco

    Women raising kids are too busy and distracted to get on the megaphone, or should be.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  84. black sea says:

    It’s hard for normal people to understand how low the IQs of black criminals are

    A guy I knew kept a checkbook in the desk of his office, and a bottle of whiskey on sideboard for special occasions. One morning, he comes to work, settles into his chair, but something seems amiss. He pretty quickly realizes that the whiskey is missing, and if the whiskey is missing, what else is missing?

    The checkbook is in its drawer, but something like the last five checks have been ripped out. So he calls the police. They locate the establishments where the checks have been used, one of which is a Sears auto store where you can buy rims and other pimp-your-ride paraphernalia. So they contact the Sears, and it turns out the thieves have left their car to be accessorized.

    Sears informs the customer that their car is now ready, the customer comes to pick it up, and the cops take him away. He was on the office building cleaning staff, if I remember correctly.

    Think about how stupid you would have to be to boost the whiskey from the sideboard when you could just use one of those checks to buy a case. I guess this is what people mean by “low impulse control.” Then you use another check to drop your car off for later pick up and give out your phone number for the convenience of the police.

    BTW, the guy they stole from used to be — among other things — a criminal defense attorney, and the shortcomings of this caper didn’t surprise him at all because in his experience criminals were almost invariably idiots.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  85. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    A rusty razor wielding young black man with the street name of Corn Pop was the leader of a gang known as The Romans. While wielding a chain a young Joe Biden diffused a potentially violent confrontation with Corn Pop by acknowledging that his Esther Williams remark had been inappropriate and Biden apologized for that and that only. Biden and Corn Pop both walked away unscathed and with honor intact.

    The early sixties happened. Am I supposed to laugh at Biden for having lived through it ? Or am I supposed to laugh at him for remembering it? It’s quite possible that Barack hadn’t yet been born when this incident occurred.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Hunsdon
  86. @Intelligent Dasein

    He’s certainly a hoarder and a wrecker and an all-around globalist piece of shit, but he has definitely broken the law when it came to procuring the Defense Department’s cloud contract.

    While I agree that he’s a globalist POS, I see no evidence in the article you link to of crimes. I forgot who said “that the scandal isn’t the illegal behavior–the scandal is what’s legal.”

  87. @Anonymous

    It’s a Diesel-electric locomotive. I can’t fathom what the joke is or why you would be cagey about it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. @South Texas Guy

    Out of touch boomers insisting they know something is responsible for an endless parade of problems.

  89. Art Deco says:
    @Neil Templeton

    No clue how time-consuming their work is. Most women with children work regular schedules these days. Parker and Noonan are columnists, some of whom (e.g. George Will) were working from home 40 years ago. Crowley’s the real puzzle; she finished her schooling nearly 20 years ago and she was a knockout past 40.

    One correction: Kathleen Parker appears to have been married and divorced long ago, producing a son. Her current husband she married around age 50.

  90. Art Deco says:
    @Ed

    No doubt. She’s 35. A woman that age usually has about two or three babies left in her if she’s interested.

    She married at 33, six or seven years after most of her contemporaries.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  91. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Average age of marriage for females is 28. For college educated ones older.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  92. Dan Hayes says:
    @R.G. Camara

    R.G. Camara:

    Tulsi is not nuts. She’s a pragmatic politician who has taken some of her later leftist positions to survive and get ahead in generally leftist Hawaii. Sure, it’s not Profiles In Courage, but like JFK she is just practicing political pragmatism!

  93. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    The median age at first marriage for women was just north of 26 years in 2011. That’s her cohort.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  94. countenance says: • Website

    I’m surprised that the MUH DISPARATE IMPACT crowd hasn’t picked up on the implications of Biden’s proposal yet.

  95. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    As of 2010, it was 28.4 for women with a college degree.

    https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/FP-12-07.pdf

    I would bet that for women with Ivy League degrees, it’s even higher. 30 wouldn’t shock me. At 33, 1/3 of all women are still not married. McCain is not some kind of outlier. She married slightly late but not by a lot for a person of her race and class in modern America.

  96. bomag says:
    @R.G. Camara

    But she’s nuts.

    No more than any other candidate.

  97. Jack D says:
    @black sea

    When did this happen? 1962? Are there any Sears auto stores left?

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @kaganovitch
  98. Jack D says:
    @South Texas Guy

    That sounds very Wambaugh like. The burglars who rape someone are called rapists and should be punished as such. The ones that don’t are just burglars and should be punished as burglars and not imaginary potential rapists. I don’t know what % of burglars would become rapists if given the opportunity. Perhaps some of them, but a lot of them just want money (or jewelry they can fence for $) so they can buy drugs and are not interested in raping anyone.

    Burglars are still invading your personal space and should be punished (including prison). One of the main reasons to send burglars (shoplifters, etc.) to prison is that they tend to be repeat offenders – they don’t just burglarize one house. They might do this dozens or hundreds of times as a way to make a living/feed their habit. For as long as they are in prison, they aren’t burglarizing houses. Unlike the profile of burglars as imaginary rapists, the profile of burglars as frequent repeat offenders is true. If you are a 1st offender, they usually already don’t send you to prison at all or for very long. The people who are doing 20 years are doing so because they have done this over and over and show no inclination to stop after being caught.

    The long sentences of the last few decades have gradually resulted in many of the worst offenders being off the street. This seems to be forgotten in the current Democrat debate which presumes that the sole reason for long sentences is to be racist to black people. The Democrat proposal to release (all/most/many) non-violent offenders will put these people back on the street and crime will spike upward.

    It will also further dishearten the police (see BLM). Cops will see D’Shawn, who they arrested with great effort on Monday, back on the street (perhaps even engaged in another crime) on Tuesday and they will wonder why they bother with all this effort when the result is the same as if they were eating donuts and napping in their patrol car.

  99. Jack D says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    OK, if he is indicted by a grand jury for this and tried and convicted by a jury of his peers and all appeals fail, he will be a criminal. Until then, you are just slandering him. This sounds like the usual sort of political hand-waving we see nowadays about Trump, where you try to make it sound in breathless terms as if (Trump, Bezos, someone you don’t like) has committed a horrible, terrible, unethical crime but he really hasn’t broken any laws at all.

    • Replies: @Anon
  100. Odin says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Prison is for punishment and should be made deliberately undesirable

    It’s also for keeping bad guys away from the rest of us. Maybe if prison’s cushier they’ll be more willing to stay there.

  101. @Jonathan Mason

    “burglary of an unoccupied structure” which I don’t think would be defined as a violent crime.

    Burglary is considered a violent crime in Virginia. Or at least it was when I sat in the sentencing phase of a trial in the late ’80s and some hapless black guy was packed off to prison for 6 burglary convictions.

    I remember it because he told the judge he believed he should be given leniency due to his crimes being non-violent and that he specifically targeted homes he believed were unoccupied. The judge quickly and rather abruptly corrected him that burglary, whether the structure is occupied or not, is a violent crime “no matter how many times you insist otherwise”.

  102. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    1990s, I believe. My brother worked with the guy who got ripped off and recounted the story to me.

  103. Kronos says:
    @anonymous

    I’m assuming the film “The Warriors” (1979) wasn’t an accurate depiction of inner city crime gangs?

    A gang leader named Corn-Pop leader of the Romans could’ve worked in the movie though.

  104. @Art Deco

    Jack corrected you on the one thing. I’m gonna slightly correct you here, Art, that 3 babies would really be allowing for some very good luck. They don’t make any more eggs, and those they’ve got are really getting tough to crack by 35. Everything is more difficult, conceiving, carrying to term*, and delivery.

    No, by 35, having 2 babies would already be pretty lucky. (Keep in mind, a young lady of 23 could have 3 within 5 years and be able to handle it. For a woman of 35 to try to knock out 3 by 40 y/o, it’d be too tough, even if she can bring them into this world, I think.)

    In “Not Bringing Home a Baby”, Part 1 and Part 2, Peak Stupidity comments on a very sad autobiographical article with that same name.

    .

    * I note what you already stated happened, and I wish her the best of luck next time.

  105. @Jack D

    You’re correct about burglary/thieves tending to be repeat offenders. When I was a reporter cops would tell me that when they finally get enough evidence to convict one (they tend to know who they are, but proving it is a different matter), they don’t just solve one burglary, theft, whatever, they solve a dozen or more of them.

    As far as the potential rapist thing goes (and it’s not just rape, maybe the home occupant gets beat up, stabbed, shot during the commission of the crime) Texas law, and I assume several other states recognize that the potential to turn a victimless crime into a crime with a victim is definitely there. Here, it’s a straight up felony to break into a habitation. Breaking into a warehouse, detached garage, garden shed, etc. is a Class A misdemeanor, but could turn into a felony if more than $1,501 worth of stuff is stolen.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  106. @Jack D

    Are there any Sears auto stores left?

    There is one I pass in Joisey on a semi regular basis. It was still around a couple of months ago.

  107. Hunsdon says:
    @anonymous

    I liked the T-Paw pimp slap story better.

  108. Jack D says:
    @South Texas Guy

    they don’t just solve one burglary, theft, whatever, they solve a dozen or more of them.

    Sometimes this is really true. And sometimes they just want to clear their unsolved cases backlog by pinning every open case they have on the perp.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  109. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @onetwothree

    Locomotives pull trains.

    Capiche?

  110. @Jack D

    Well, what I meant was they’re only charged with the one burglary/theft, but have more than likely been involved in many more. When my Jeep was broken into, the cops told me they were sure they knew who it was, but couldn’t pin anything on him. The cop said the perp would slip up eventually, and he did, though my case wasn’t pinned to him.

    As an aside, I never lock my Jeep because it’s a soft top, so why ask for the pocket knife treatment? Anyway, the scumbag took about 75 cents in loose change from the console. He then apparently looked through the clear plastic window to see what was in the back seat. Realizing he’d touched it, the son of a bitch cut out a circle to keep his prints from being discovered. I know this was the reason because he took the piece with him.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  111. Jack D says:
    @South Texas Guy

    I understood what you meant. If the cops have 20 unsolved burglaries on their books with a similar MO, maybe the perp did 10 of them (and the cops are not sure which 10) so why not pin all 20 on him so they can close the file on all 20 investigations?

    As for cutting the circle out, I doubt that he was worried about fingerprints (if he was then a pair of nitrile gloves is 10 cents). In most places the cops are not going to dust for fingerprints unless someone is dead, not for a 2 bit car break-in. In a lot of places they’ll just take the report over the phone so you have something to make your insurance claim. Maybe he just felt like vandalizing your car for the hell of it.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  112. anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    My question is, would Corn Pops be set free from jail under this plan? That might be a good first step in rehabilitating the Romans gang. Wilmington swimming pools would be safer, too.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  113. Jack D says:
    @anon

    Not only would he be set free, but his record would be expunged so that no racist employer would know not to hire a dangerous felon and his voting rights would be restored so that he could be another loyal Democrat vote and no filthy Republican racist could never achieve office again. Trifecta!

    • Replies: @anon
  114. anon[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    All good! However, he would have to obtain a replacement rusty straight razor on his own, using his own funds. After all, there are limits.

  115. Ibound1 says:

    Sad
    Joe probably meant drug crimes because they are non-violent and disproportionately affect African Americans. That’s in the news all the time. His staff probably mention it a lot. . I doubt he really meant Bernie Madoff (although sending Felicity Huffman to jail sounds absurd to me). But Joe is no longer able to draw a distinction between the reason he has heard and the conclusion others have drawn. Joe gets mixed up pretty easily when he’s not talking about his family – and that will be next. Smart people do keep a great deal of their intelligence as they age. Stupid people just get dumber and dumber.

  116. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    Wait, I just got confused, was the gang leader named Corn Pop or Pop Corn? It makes a difference. One should be released but I’m not sure about the other.

  117. @Jack D

    Its like the felony-murder rule. It is absolutely foreseeable that breaking and entering a dwelling is likely to lead to horrible consequences. Someone could be home and confront you or come back home and confront you. now the dweller is facing a person with a great deal to loose – a desperate person.

  118. @Jack D

    As for cutting the circle out, I doubt that he was worried about fingerprints (if he was then a pair of nitrile gloves is 10 cents). In most places the cops are not going to dust for fingerprints unless someone is dead, not for a 2 bit car break-in. In a lot of places they’ll just take the report over the phone so you have something to make your insurance claim. Maybe he just felt like vandalizing your car for the hell of it.

    The cops know that, you know that and I know that. A guy who burglarizes cars for pocket change while living with his welfare queen sugar mommy may not know that.

  119. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    OK, if he is indicted by a grand jury for this and tried and convicted by a jury of his peers and all appeals fail, he will be a criminal.

    So those guys who killed Emmet Till and that guy who is supposed to have killed Mary Phagan weren’t criminals?

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