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Jeremy Corbyn shares his pronouns in solidarity with trans community at PinkNews Awards
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  1. Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.

    Salutation *

    [Select from drop-down:]

    – Mx.
    – Mr.
    – Ms.
    – Mrs.
    – Mr. & Mrs.
    – Mr. & Mr.
    – Mrs. & Mrs.

    Those are the ‘Salutation’ options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor’s Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    – Mr.
    – Ms.
    – Mrs.
    – Mr. & Mrs.

    By July 2017, a ‘Blank’ option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots’ iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the “Mr. & Mr.” and “Mrs. & Mrs.” options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the ‘Mx.’ option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the ‘Blank’ option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    What the actual fuck?

    There is no "Mx. and Mx."

    The entire state of New York is therefore guilty of transphobia.

    The property of neocon-transitivity means that the whole of the US is collectively guilty, and so must be bombed to smithereens in order to protect the free world from hate-speech.

    The Chinese need to launch the missiles right.the.fuck.now.

    That will have a secondary salutary effect: Samantha Power and Nikki Haley will get some understanding on what R2P feels like if you're on the receiving end.
    , @Hail
    The timings of those changes to the New York governor's office contact form (made July 2017 to Feb. 2019) are a useful, historical-record addendum to an earlier, deep-thread comment here on "The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today" -- a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement's origins.

    It found the earliest origin of today's Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018. The changes to the New York governor's office contact form fit exactly within that proposed timeline.

    Likewise, it is inconceivable that the candidate for prime minister for the second-largest party in (even) a country like the UK would have "released his pronouns" as of 2015; it looks mildly likelier by 2017; although still laughable, is no longer surprising by late 2019. (Did Jeremy Corbyn release his pronouns leading up to the June 2017 UK general election? I would bet almost certainly not, but maybe some second-tier figures in the the Greens or Liberal Democrats did, in some form, in 2017...but not in 2015.)

    The Oct. 2019 media frenzy around the "Texas mother pushes for castration of Trans son" case in Texas also offered a good opportunity for timelining the Trans movement:


    Back to Dr. Anne — “World War T” had not yet gotten going when she gave birth to twins some time in 2012. [We see signs of a push from above starting in Q3 2013]. I expect politically-active, hard-left-wingers generally got the memo by about 2014 and latecomers by 2015, with stragglers scooped up in 2016, and the great takeover of the center-left occurring starting in 2016 (this was the year of the North Carolina law banning transgender bathrooms). By mid 2019, we had second-tier presidential candidate Corey Booker demanding special rights for “African-American Trans Americans” on stage to hooting applause. A look through at the prestige media any day of the week gives a high probability of seeing a pro-Trans story somewhere towards the forefront. So we’re still in World War T, but the front line has moved much since the mid-2010s.

    We have Dr. Anne noticing her son was really a girl in 2015, committing fully to it in 2017 (this from the father’s statements) and in 2019 stands at the cusp of castrating the son.
     

    With victory for the Gay Movement looking likely in 2013, the 'regime' began raising battalions for a new, planned general offensive, namely the Trans movement, which was full-speed-ahead by about 2016, something that mainstream liberals of 2006 would have probably dismissed as the delusions of a crank.

    In three-to-four years of left-wing and media-directed pressure, the Trans movement fanned out into the political center, and by early 2019 one was being given 'Mx.' as the first option for gender selection by the State of New York, and major political candidates are forced to release their own pronouns on the campaign trail.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”
     
    But they will absolutely not call you "Miss".

    Which means all the sensible young ladies with manners and taste are excluded.


    https://www.williamreesecompany.com/pictures/WRCLIT63421.jpg?v=1440797393



    This is even worse than the landlady who cried rape when her tenant said he was going to vote for Dewey. He spent Election Day in the slammer.
    , @Anonymous
    Mx sounds like my kind of pronoun. Why identify as an Apache attack helicopter when you can become death, destroyer of worlds?

    https://youtu.be/YjWTrMTo8CE

    I had the impression that the Mx was the missile Reeve's Superman thwarted in one of the original Superman movies, but wasn't sure.

    It seems like the British public said to Corbyn, take your pronouns and stick'em...
    , @PiltdownMan
    It is only a matter of time before someone complains that there is no blank space for the user to enter a salutation of their own choosing, such as "Senor" or "Sahib."
    , @for-the-record
    It seems that "Mx"(no period, or full stop, in line with British mores) became "official" in UK in 2015:

    Mr, Mrs, Miss... and Mx: Transgender people will be able to use new title on official documents

    A new gender neutral title 'Mx' is to join the honorifics 'Mr, Mrs, Miss and Ms' on driving licences and other official documents, the first change to officially recognised titles in decades.

    Royal Mail, high street banks, government departments and some universities all now accept Mx which is used by transgender people or other individuals who do not identify with a particular gender.

    The title has been added, without fanfare, to official forms and databases and is under consideration by the Oxford English Dictionary for inclusion in its next edition.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3066043/A-new-title-transgender-people-join-Mr-Mrs-Miss-used-driving-licences-bank-details-government-departments.html

     

    And indeed, the Oxford English Dictionary bestowed its blessing on "Mx" in December 2015:

    https://oed.com/view/Entry/37988089?rskey=imX5nu&result=2&isAdvanced=false&print
    , @El Dato
    "Msx" sounds fine.

    https://i.imgur.com/XEVipdO.gif
  2. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    What the actual fuck?

    There is no “Mx. and Mx.”

    The entire state of New York is therefore guilty of transphobia.

    The property of neocon-transitivity means that the whole of the US is collectively guilty, and so must be bombed to smithereens in order to protect the free world from hate-speech.

    The Chinese need to launch the missiles right.the.fuck.now.

    That will have a secondary salutary effect: Samantha Power and Nikki Haley will get some understanding on what R2P feels like if you’re on the receiving end.

    • LOL: Hail, bomag, George Taylor
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    After I post this comment I will find the nearest chain link fence, grab on, and await the cleansing fire.
  3. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the “right wing” option and Corbyn is the “left wing” option.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1205313579089612801
    , @Tusk
    Well no wonder there doesn't seem to be many "right wing" parties in the West. Just left-neoliberal or right-neoliberal.
    , @Digital Samizdat

    Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”
     
    What's the matter with 'Frxdo'?
    , @PhysicistDave
    Anonymous[163] wrote:

    all [commenters here] care about is that {BoJo] is the “right wing” option and Corbyn is the “left wing” option.
     
    No, what we care about is the fact that voting for BoJo was an opportunity for the English people to stick it to their ruling elite and declare that they want their country back.

    And, I'm pretty sure the trans-Atlantic ruling elite is crying in their ale. Which is good.
    , @Jack D
    The three most important issues in this campaign were Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Any constituency that was pro-Brexit shifted toward the Conservatives and any constituency that was anti-Brexit shifted toward Labour.

    Everything else was secondary - NHS, Labour antisemitism, etc. I would love to say that Corbyn's defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn't really. However, had he won the antisemites on Unz would have claimed it as a victory for the relegitimization of antisemitism, so close enough.

    , @AnotherDad

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high.
     
    Even as an American this seems pretty obvious.

    As far as i can tell, Boris's core ideology is Johnsonism--not the author, nor the Johnsonism all guys naturally have, Boris certainly has that too! but simply--"What's good for Boris Johnson". That's how he--an obvious global cosmopolitan super-stater ended up as a champion of Brexit.

    But if he actually has an honest natural ideological tendency it seems to me it social-liberalism and neoliberalism. He's one of these noisy people who is the exactly opposite quadrant (of those graphs of social/economic liberalism/conservatism) from populism. (These folks are thick on the ground in US elites despite this quadrant being the least populated among the populace and its opposite being the most.) But he's got a phony bumptious on-your-side, sticking-it-to-em shtick going on--quite an accomplishment for having one of the most privileged elite establishment backgrounds on the planet.

    Trump has some similar characteristics, but i'll give Trump credit that he seems to have an honest viscerally--not very intellectual--feeling that our elites have been doing a shitty job and screwing the American people. (Which is, of course, true.) And a real desire--again not very well developed intellectually or in terms of policy--to do better.

    There is really nothing really conservative about Boris Johnson. And if other Tories don't rein him in and start doing something about Britain's immigration disaster, Johnson will end up being the unconservative "Conservative" who sinks the ship.
    , @Colin Wright
    '... People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the “right wing” option...'

    What I care about is that calling for amnesty for illegal immigrants is 'the right wing option.'
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing
     
    Right! So the Brits should have voted for Corbyn, because Boris is not a true Scotsman. Politics is the art of the possible Spanky. OTOH you could be a Soros-funded troll. Are you ignorant, stupid or evil?
  4. How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    One possibility is that by 2030 there won’t be any options at all. At some point the whole enterprise will become too unwieldy, and people may just give up.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Or there’s the Houellebecq alternative:

    (Read no further if you’re planning to read “Atomized.”)

    ... that sexual difference itself, the source of so much unhappiness and shame in the postmodern world, would be eradicated through cloning technique. Future humans would be one gender, no variation.

  5. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    The timings of those changes to the New York governor’s office contact form (made July 2017 to Feb. 2019) are a useful, historical-record addendum to an earlier, deep-thread comment here on “The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today” — a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement’s origins.

    It found the earliest origin of today’s Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018. The changes to the New York governor’s office contact form fit exactly within that proposed timeline.

    Likewise, it is inconceivable that the candidate for prime minister for the second-largest party in (even) a country like the UK would have “released his pronouns” as of 2015; it looks mildly likelier by 2017; although still laughable, is no longer surprising by late 2019. (Did Jeremy Corbyn release his pronouns leading up to the June 2017 UK general election? I would bet almost certainly not, but maybe some second-tier figures in the the Greens or Liberal Democrats did, in some form, in 2017…but not in 2015.)

    The Oct. 2019 media frenzy around the “Texas mother pushes for castration of Trans son” case in Texas also offered a good opportunity for timelining the Trans movement:

    [MORE]

    Back to Dr. Anne — “World War T” had not yet gotten going when she gave birth to twins some time in 2012. [We see signs of a push from above starting in Q3 2013]. I expect politically-active, hard-left-wingers generally got the memo by about 2014 and latecomers by 2015, with stragglers scooped up in 2016, and the great takeover of the center-left occurring starting in 2016 (this was the year of the North Carolina law banning transgender bathrooms). By mid 2019, we had second-tier presidential candidate Corey Booker demanding special rights for “African-American Trans Americans” on stage to hooting applause. A look through at the prestige media any day of the week gives a high probability of seeing a pro-Trans story somewhere towards the forefront. So we’re still in World War T, but the front line has moved much since the mid-2010s.

    We have Dr. Anne noticing her son was really a girl in 2015, committing fully to it in 2017 (this from the father’s statements) and in 2019 stands at the cusp of castrating the son.

    With victory for the Gay Movement looking likely in 2013, the ‘regime’ began raising battalions for a new, planned general offensive, namely the Trans movement, which was full-speed-ahead by about 2016, something that mainstream liberals of 2006 would have probably dismissed as the delusions of a crank.

    In three-to-four years of left-wing and media-directed pressure, the Trans movement fanned out into the political center, and by early 2019 one was being given ‘Mx.’ as the first option for gender selection by the State of New York, and major political candidates are forced to release their own pronouns on the campaign trail.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Mao understood that the Revolution had to be continuous or it would lose momentum - a Revolution is like a shark, which must swim forward or it will die. So World War T had to follow World War G or the LBGTXYZ wing of the Party would atrophy. If gay people are just normal (mostly white) people then they have normal white people concerns like whether their lives are in danger due to crime (gays are often pioneers of gentrification) and whether their jobs are in danger due to government policies, etc. They had gotten everything they asked for so they had no reason to stay with the Coalition of the Fringes anymore. You need some issue to keep them on the reservation and keep the "activists" employed.

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it? This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?
  6. Back shortly before the Brexit vote, my girls’ dance teacher casually asked me what I thought about Brexit.

    I replied that, if I were English, “I think I’d want my country back.”

    She agreed.

    An interesting lady, by the way: she had an offer to go with the Joffrey, but, for financial reasons, decided to go commercial: she ended up performing with Sinatra and Martin and got to know Sammy Davis (she said they fit their public personas: Martin was an eccentric but nice guy, Davis was super-sweet, and Sinatra had a bit of an edge).

    I’m a “rootless cosmopolite,” but, were I English, I’d still rather be governed from London than Brussels.

    Seems the majority in the UK still agree.

    The old environmentalist slogan was “Think globally, act locally.” Seems the Populist Right may be figuring out how to actually do it.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he's led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.


    It is time to shed the parasites.
    , @Desiderius
    You're not rootless; you stand on the shoulders of giants.

    The rootless kick them in the shins.
  7. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    It's the ultimate Sophie's Choice...a Bill Clinton or a neo Soviet woke SJW.....

    If Corbyn were openly red but didn't talk about all the woke pronoun diversity nonsense I'd back him.

    Keep in mind hes talking Soviet style seizures of unoccupied homes....even say 2nd homes belonging to middle class types....

    The thing about the Woke thing is that its Maoist in spirit and will keep going for an unspecified amount of time.

    Its so dangerous that like the me too thing and the Cultural Revolution theres no telling where it will go or when it will burn itself out.
  8. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.

    Which means all the sensible young ladies with manners and taste are excluded.

    This is even worse than the landlady who cried rape when her tenant said he was going to vote for Dewey. He spent Election Day in the slammer.

    • Replies: @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

  9. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    Mx sounds like my kind of pronoun. Why identify as an Apache attack helicopter when you can become death, destroyer of worlds?

    I had the impression that the Mx was the missile Reeve’s Superman thwarted in one of the original Superman movies, but wasn’t sure.

    It seems like the British public said to Corbyn, take your pronouns and stick’em…

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    When I saw “Mx” I immediately thought of something related to Superman as well. I assumed it was the pronoun preferred by one of Superman’s enemies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk
  10. Her Majesty’s enterprising subjects from the icy prairies solved the pronoun conundrum in 1975:

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like you been reading Peak Stupidity's "Fun with Pronouns".
  11. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    It is only a matter of time before someone complains that there is no blank space for the user to enter a salutation of their own choosing, such as “Senor” or “Sahib.”

  12. Why not drop all titles and just address everybody as Citizen like 1790s Paris?

    • Replies: @Leftcoast
    Referring to each other as Citizen would be exclusionary. What about the undocumented dreamers amongst us?
  13. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    Well no wonder there doesn’t seem to be many “right wing” parties in the West. Just left-neoliberal or right-neoliberal.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Tovarisch.

    Duc D’Orleans supported the Jacobins, was the deciding vote in executing his cousin the King, and changed his name to Citoyen Philippe Egalite. He still got guillotined.
  14. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1205313579089612801

    It’s the ultimate Sophie’s Choice…a Bill Clinton or a neo Soviet woke SJW…..

    If Corbyn were openly red but didn’t talk about all the woke pronoun diversity nonsense I’d back him.

    Keep in mind hes talking Soviet style seizures of unoccupied homes….even say 2nd homes belonging to middle class types….

    The thing about the Woke thing is that its Maoist in spirit and will keep going for an unspecified amount of time.

    Its so dangerous that like the me too thing and the Cultural Revolution theres no telling where it will go or when it will burn itself out.

    • Agree: bomag
  15. My pronouns are:
    Excellency
    Your excellency
    His excellency

    • Replies: @PSR
    Mine are Ping, Pang and Pong, and woe to anyone who denies me.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Reminds me of the following (true) story:

    Prince Rupert Loewenstein, known to some as the financial brains behind the Rolling Stones, noticed one day that the svelte figure he had once enjoyed was fast disappearing. Deciding to try an American fat farm (he had a house in Beverly Hills), he paid his fee and showed up on the appointed date. A card was handed to him: this he was to fill out with the name he preferred to be addressed by for the coming two weeks. He smiled, filled out the form, and handed it to the waiting attendant. On it were written, with becoming modesty, the following two uncompromising words: "Your Highness".

  16. Quite an irony. The cries of ‘anti-semitism’ against Corbyn fell on deaf voter ears (though his pro-IRA past did come up with older voters), but the Blairite MPs who persuaded/forced Corbyn and McDonnell (who couldn’t enact half their wishlist inside EU rules) into making a second referendum a Labour manifesto policy have done for him.

    Blyth Valley, Workington, Barrow, Bolsover (home to the great Dennis Skinner, Old Labour icon), Bassetlaw, Stoke, Wrexham, Durham, Darlington, Redcar – all big Leave voting areas lost to Labour.

    That referendum poison pill was worth a thousand negative Daily Mail pieces.

    Defeated Stoke Labour candidate said it best.

    It’s a lovely and toxic combination of the fact that the message in Stoke-on-Trent that’s been heard by the voters is that the Labour party tried to stop Brexit. It would be remiss of me not to mention that Jeremy Corbyn has come up on the doorsteps. Some people really like him. Some people really dislike him, and that has been a turnoff.

    But John [McDonnell] is right to say that it’s Brexit. The Labour party had a choice when Theresa May presented her deal. We could either have stopped the Tories or we could have stopped Brexit. And unfortunately some of the siren voices in the shadow cabinet who have big Liberal Democrat votes in their London seats decided that stopping Brexit, and therefore lining themselves up for future leadership bids, was much more important than respecting the votes in marginal constituencies in the midlands and in the north west and the north east. And they’ve sacrificed us for whatever political ambitions they want to do next.”

    The Blairite lawyer and EU fifth columnist Kier Starmer will be the globalist candidate for Labour leader.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELofaBgW4AAHIZp.png:large
  17. @YetAnotherAnon
    Quite an irony. The cries of 'anti-semitism' against Corbyn fell on deaf voter ears (though his pro-IRA past did come up with older voters), but the Blairite MPs who persuaded/forced Corbyn and McDonnell (who couldn't enact half their wishlist inside EU rules) into making a second referendum a Labour manifesto policy have done for him.

    Blyth Valley, Workington, Barrow, Bolsover (home to the great Dennis Skinner, Old Labour icon), Bassetlaw, Stoke, Wrexham, Durham, Darlington, Redcar - all big Leave voting areas lost to Labour.

    That referendum poison pill was worth a thousand negative Daily Mail pieces.

    Defeated Stoke Labour candidate said it best.


    "It’s a lovely and toxic combination of the fact that the message in Stoke-on-Trent that’s been heard by the voters is that the Labour party tried to stop Brexit. It would be remiss of me not to mention that Jeremy Corbyn has come up on the doorsteps. Some people really like him. Some people really dislike him, and that has been a turnoff.

    But John [McDonnell] is right to say that it’s Brexit. The Labour party had a choice when Theresa May presented her deal. We could either have stopped the Tories or we could have stopped Brexit. And unfortunately some of the siren voices in the shadow cabinet who have big Liberal Democrat votes in their London seats decided that stopping Brexit, and therefore lining themselves up for future leadership bids, was much more important than respecting the votes in marginal constituencies in the midlands and in the north west and the north east. And they’ve sacrificed us for whatever political ambitions they want to do next."
     

    The Blairite lawyer and EU fifth columnist Kier Starmer will be the globalist candidate for Labour leader.

  18. @PhysicistDave
    Back shortly before the Brexit vote, my girls' dance teacher casually asked me what I thought about Brexit.

    I replied that, if I were English, "I think I'd want my country back."

    She agreed.

    An interesting lady, by the way: she had an offer to go with the Joffrey, but, for financial reasons, decided to go commercial: she ended up performing with Sinatra and Martin and got to know Sammy Davis (she said they fit their public personas: Martin was an eccentric but nice guy, Davis was super-sweet, and Sinatra had a bit of an edge).

    I'm a "rootless cosmopolite," but, were I English, I'd still rather be governed from London than Brussels.

    Seems the majority in the UK still agree.

    The old environmentalist slogan was "Think globally, act locally." Seems the Populist Right may be figuring out how to actually do it.

    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he’s led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.

    It is time to shed the parasites.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Bill Jones wrote:

    England moves closer to independence...
     
    Which reminds me: I'm pretty sure J. R. R. Tokien would have been a "Leaver."

    The Shire would be a nice place to live. Until, of course, foreigners with a lust for power wrecked it.

    England needs a Tolkienist Party.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
     
    Imagine the cost to the Republic, with one-thirteenth the population of the UK, should they reunite.

    Then again, these people may come home to help out:




    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/britain-s-shrinking-ageing-irish-population-1.3817868
    , @Hibernian
    Maybe one day England will declare its independence from the remaining UK ruled portion of Ireland.
    , @AnotherDad

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.
    It is time to shed the parasites.
     
    Bill, these figures aren't very impressive--very skewed--at all.

    It's < 50% bump going from the core, to the tiniest most spendy periphery. And given that England is far richer and NI quite a bit poorer this actually just looks like pretty equal spending per capita. Just modest subsidy from the big engine to the various cabooses.

    Based on this--not saying your figures are accurate--the Scots would lose little cutting themselves loose.

    If you want to see what real subsidy looks like you should check out the Canadians:
    https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E

    Alberta, Ontario, B.C. pay the bills, Quebec gets a modest subsidy and the maritimes are flat out on the dole. Prince Edward Island is not going to be declaring independence anytime soon.

    ~~~

    There are definite costs--direct nation state costs, and economic opportunity costs--associated with being a separate nation, which is why an ideology of "nationalism" is inherently a self-stabilizing ideology. It's not like one of those fractal patterns where you drill down and down and down forever. (For example, give where the US is headed under minoritarianism i'd like to leave and form the ADR--Another Dad's Republic. But i can't make it on my own. I want job opportunities and spouses for my children ... and i don't want to go through passport control when i head over to the Super Walmart for my groceries. So realistically i need at least say 10 million other productive and sane--i.e. anti-minoritarian--Americans to leave with me.)

    Finance matters--and obviously affects who people feel, and will vote--but the core of the national question is not finance, it's simply what nation do people really *feel* they belong to, are loyal to.

    The Scots have sufficient mass. If Scots feel they are fundamentally "Scots" and not "Britons" then they should leave and have their own nation. If not, not. I'm not a Scot, so not my question to answer.
  19. @Anonymous
    Mx sounds like my kind of pronoun. Why identify as an Apache attack helicopter when you can become death, destroyer of worlds?

    https://youtu.be/YjWTrMTo8CE

    I had the impression that the Mx was the missile Reeve's Superman thwarted in one of the original Superman movies, but wasn't sure.

    It seems like the British public said to Corbyn, take your pronouns and stick'em...

    When I saw “Mx” I immediately thought of something related to Superman as well. I assumed it was the pronoun preferred by one of Superman’s enemies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk

    • Replies: @Hail
    Needed for 2020: A gender-neutral Mister Mxyzptlk.

    Let's get some of our best minds on this. Put that whole going to Mars thing on hold.
  20. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”

    What’s the matter with ‘Frxdo’?

  21. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    Anonymous[163] wrote:

    all [commenters here] care about is that {BoJo] is the “right wing” option and Corbyn is the “left wing” option.

    No, what we care about is the fact that voting for BoJo was an opportunity for the English people to stick it to their ruling elite and declare that they want their country back.

    And, I’m pretty sure the trans-Atlantic ruling elite is crying in their ale. Which is good.

    • Agree: jim jones, Desiderius, Lot
  22. How could Britain, home of the “empire where the sun never sets”, rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I’m seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years"

    Quite likely. Amazing when you think that in 1952 there were fewer than 30,000 black/brown people in the UK, plus a lot of Poles left over from WW2 (all of whom integrated very well, but then there was something to integrate to).
    , @JMcG
    That’ll not take anything like 150 years. Nor for the US either. That ship has long since sailed.
    , @BenKenobi
    Poz. National-Immunodeficiency-Virus.

    Once a nation is infected, it loses the ability to fight off lesser diseases.
    , @kaganovitch
    I’m seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.


    150 years? You really are an incurable optimist.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    How could Britain, home of the “empire where the sun never sets”, rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years?
     
    Given time, empires, like plumbing, will back up.
  23. @Bill Jones
    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he's led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.


    It is time to shed the parasites.

    Bill Jones wrote:

    England moves closer to independence…

    Which reminds me: I’m pretty sure J. R. R. Tokien would have been a “Leaver.”

    The Shire would be a nice place to live. Until, of course, foreigners with a lust for power wrecked it.

    England needs a Tolkienist Party.

    • Replies: @David
    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.
  24. @Reg Cæsar

    Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office wants to know if they can call you “Mx.”
     
    But they will absolutely not call you "Miss".

    Which means all the sensible young ladies with manners and taste are excluded.


    https://www.williamreesecompany.com/pictures/WRCLIT63421.jpg?v=1440797393



    This is even worse than the landlady who cried rape when her tenant said he was going to vote for Dewey. He spent Election Day in the slammer.

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.

    Good point. When and why was ‘Miss’ purged?

    Some would say ‘Ms.’ is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing ‘Ms.’ was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out ‘Miss,’ to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    • Agree: BB753
    • Disagree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Jon

    conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    I'va always pronounced Ms. as 'mizz' - a distinctly different sound.
    , @anon
    Some would say ‘Ms.’ is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    "Miss" and "mizz" are not the same, except perhaps in some parts of the South where all ladies used to be "mizz", often with a first name. "Oh, Mizz Scarlett! I don't know nothin' about birthin' no pronouns!"

    , @Jack D

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced - is it mix? Isn't MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    , @Dtbb
    Dan Fielding in "Night Court"
    Dan: "Miss Sullivan?"
    Christine:"It's Miz."
    Dan:"Sorry, my mizzztake!"

    For some reason this is stuck in my mind.

    , @black sea
    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of, and only works in milieu in which everybody knows, or at least knows about, everybody else.

    In business correspondence, I usually neither know nor care whether the person I'm addressing is married. Hell, it's hard enough -- given the current naming system -- to figure out whether they are male or female.

    , @AnonAnon

    When was the crossover between when writing ‘Ms.’ was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard?
     
    The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.

    This jibes with my recollection of the 80s, which encompassed my late-teen through late-twenties. I used Ms. during college and beyond in the early-80s+ and never thought it rebellious - it was exciting, a signal I was an adult. Miss was for kids and Mrs. was for my mom and other old married ladies.

    Titles never come into play except when filling out forms or formal correspondence. The only time I ever address someone as Mrs./Ms. is after I had children and we'd discuss Mrs./Ms. X, the teacher, or Mrs. Y, someone's mom. I don't think I'll be adopting Mx. though - the whole trans-woman thing infuriates me. On the other hand, google tells me "muks" is an acceptable pronunciation of Mx. That is sufficiently ugly I think I will use it after all, but only for the trans ladies.

    , @Steve Sailer
    I started a corporate job in November 1982. Every single business letter I wrote addressed to a woman was addressed to Ms., never to a Miss or a Mrs. I never had got any complaints or requests to use Miss or Mrs. So, the old forms were dead and gone by late 1982. I can recall noting how much simpler it made business correspondence.

    So the late 1970s to the early 2010s will go down as the Golden Age of Convenience in Business Correspondence. You only had to remember whether the person you were writing to was a man or a woman.
  25. @Dumbo
    How could Britain, home of the "empire where the sun never sets", rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I'm seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    “the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years”

    Quite likely. Amazing when you think that in 1952 there were fewer than 30,000 black/brown people in the UK, plus a lot of Poles left over from WW2 (all of whom integrated very well, but then there was something to integrate to).

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  26. @Hapalong Cassidy
    When I saw “Mx” I immediately thought of something related to Superman as well. I assumed it was the pronoun preferred by one of Superman’s enemies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk

    Needed for 2020: A gender-neutral Mister Mxyzptlk.

    Let’s get some of our best minds on this. Put that whole going to Mars thing on hold.

  27. They left off “Bwana”.

  28. The UK seems farther gone than even the US on tranny ideology. What is BoJo’s view on this? There is some sort of “Trannywomen are women. Period.” law about to be passed. Is that in danger now?

  29. @PhysicistDave
    Bill Jones wrote:

    England moves closer to independence...
     
    Which reminds me: I'm pretty sure J. R. R. Tokien would have been a "Leaver."

    The Shire would be a nice place to live. Until, of course, foreigners with a lust for power wrecked it.

    England needs a Tolkienist Party.

    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Only in lieu of a reconstituted Roman Empire.

    Rohan beats Orcs.
    , @PhysicistDave
    David wrote to me:

    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.
     
    And he would have been right.
  30. @Reg Cæsar
    Her Majesty's enterprising subjects from the icy prairies solved the pronoun conundrum in 1975:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NyMNCqhRNOM

    Sounds like you been reading Peak Stupidity’s “Fun with Pronouns”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    No, I have that album in storage somewhere. It was disappointing, not up to their earlier ones, but somehow that one song has stuck in the brain.

    Actually, I read everybody's comments, but visit nobody's Web site. Even in retirement, one's days are too short.

    Admit it, we just think alike.
  31. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith

    I’va always pronounced Ms. as ‘mizz’ – a distinctly different sound.

  32. “I’m Jeremy Corbyn. My pronouns are ‘Loser’.”

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  33. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    It seems that “Mx”(no period, or full stop, in line with British mores) became “official” in UK in 2015:

    Mr, Mrs, Miss… and Mx: Transgender people will be able to use new title on official documents

    A new gender neutral title ‘Mx’ is to join the honorifics ‘Mr, Mrs, Miss and Ms’ on driving licences and other official documents, the first change to officially recognised titles in decades.

    Royal Mail, high street banks, government departments and some universities all now accept Mx which is used by transgender people or other individuals who do not identify with a particular gender.

    The title has been added, without fanfare, to official forms and databases and is under consideration by the Oxford English Dictionary for inclusion in its next edition.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3066043/A-new-title-transgender-people-join-Mr-Mrs-Miss-used-driving-licences-bank-details-government-departments.html

    And indeed, the Oxford English Dictionary bestowed its blessing on “Mx” in December 2015:

    https://oed.com/view/Entry/37988089?rskey=imX5nu&result=2&isAdvanced=false&print

  34. When Blyth Valley, an Old Labour heartland, went Tory, the vitriol on Twitter from the radical urban types immediately afterwards was unbelievable.

    The voters were thick, uneducated, racist mugs, who were going to be shafted by the Tories AND IT WOULD SERVE THEM ******* WELL RIGHT!

    That’s the way to make Labour great again?

    The globalists who persuaded the party to back Referendum 2 will now claim the defeat is all Corbyn’s fault.

  35. Problem for the left is their chosen leaders should not be trusted with anything more significant than a coffee order. And they would fuck that up anyway. Being that they love the 3rd world, invariably you’d get 45 sugars in your coffee. People are starting to grasp silly people should not be allowed to run anything. There will be blips (I live in NYC!), but the tide is turning.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ Problem for the left is their chosen leaders should not be trusted with anything more significant than a coffee order. And they would fuck that up anyway. ”

    Visiting some Trump Country relatives last month, the Starbucks was noticeably cleaner, faster, and more orderly than in California.

    The same type of bearded hipster baristas still worked there, but they too looked cleaner.
  36. @Dumbo
    How could Britain, home of the "empire where the sun never sets", rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I'm seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    That’ll not take anything like 150 years. Nor for the US either. That ship has long since sailed.

  37. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    Very odd to watch American conservative friends become excited about Boris Johnson.

    How many religious Muslims voted for the other guy? Isn’t he a radical trans-supporting gay-rights secularist? Why do leftists always pretend the other side doesn’t have good reasons for voting the way they do? Maybe people think the things on your list are a little less important than securing the country itself. Funny how these people accuse others of the hypocrisy they readily ignore on their own side.

  38. @The Last Real Calvinist

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?
     
    One possibility is that by 2030 there won't be any options at all. At some point the whole enterprise will become too unwieldy, and people may just give up.

    Or there’s the Houellebecq alternative:

    (Read no further if you’re planning to read “Atomized.”)

    … that sexual difference itself, the source of so much unhappiness and shame in the postmodern world, would be eradicated through cloning technique. Future humans would be one gender, no variation.

  39. @Kratoklastes
    What the actual fuck?

    There is no "Mx. and Mx."

    The entire state of New York is therefore guilty of transphobia.

    The property of neocon-transitivity means that the whole of the US is collectively guilty, and so must be bombed to smithereens in order to protect the free world from hate-speech.

    The Chinese need to launch the missiles right.the.fuck.now.

    That will have a secondary salutary effect: Samantha Power and Nikki Haley will get some understanding on what R2P feels like if you're on the receiving end.

    After I post this comment I will find the nearest chain link fence, grab on, and await the cleansing fire.

  40. Sharing pronouns – shouldn’t be that something two consenting adults do in private?

  41. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    Some would say ‘Ms.’ is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    “Miss” and “mizz” are not the same, except perhaps in some parts of the South where all ladies used to be “mizz”, often with a first name. “Oh, Mizz Scarlett! I don’t know nothin’ about birthin’ no pronouns!”

  42. To continue the “Boris won because of the quality of the opposition” theme

    This is Labour’s Home Secretary to be:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/12/footwear-mystery-diane-abbott-votes-two-left-footed-shoes/

  43. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    The three most important issues in this campaign were Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Any constituency that was pro-Brexit shifted toward the Conservatives and any constituency that was anti-Brexit shifted toward Labour.

    Everything else was secondary – NHS, Labour antisemitism, etc. I would love to say that Corbyn’s defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn’t really. However, had he won the antisemites on Unz would have claimed it as a victory for the relegitimization of antisemitism, so close enough.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Matra
    I would love to say that Corbyn’s defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn’t really.

    It will never be enough for you.
    , @J.Ross
    This second paragraph is very silly. Before replying, understand that I have changed the definition of "irrational hatred" to "disagreeing with me."
    , @Lot
    Labour’s complete meltdown shows again that God curses those that curse Israel.

    Something else the whole Corbyn coverage the past couple years showed is that normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.
  44. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced – is it mix? Isn’t MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced – is it mix? Isn’t MX the abbreviation for Mexico?
     
    https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/1981/11/23/a-view-of-an-mx-missile-lying-on-a-display-stand-3cce5a-1024.jpg
    , @Hail

    When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz
     
    Interesting anecdote from a column titled "Ms." by Ben Zimmer in the New York Times magazine's "On Language" section, Oct. 23, 2009:

    The turning point, [Sheila] Michaels told me recently, came when she was interviewed on the progressive New York radio station WBAI in late 1969 or early 1970. The program “Womankind” invited her on with other members of a radical group known simply as the Feminists, and during a lull in the show she plunged into her impassioned plea for Ms. Her advocacy finally paid off. The following August, when women’s rights supporters commemorated the 50th anniversary of suffrage with the Women’s Strike for Equality, Ms. became recognized as a calling card of the feminist movement.

    Just days before the national demonstration, on Aug. 24, Gloria Steinem registered her approval in her “City Politic” column in New York magazine. “Personally,” she wrote, “I’m all in favor of the new form and will put it on all letters and documents.” Still, she was uncertain about the pronunciation: “An airline clerk asked me, ‘Miss or Mrs.?’ on the phone, and I was stumped. How the hell do you pronounce Ms.?” By the time Steinem and her colleagues introduced Ms. magazine in 1971, both the “miss” and “mizz” pronunciations were considered acceptable — with “mizz” ... eventually winning out in common usage.

    In some quarters, recognition of Ms. was slow in coming. The New York Times waited until 1986 to announce that it would embrace the use of Ms. as an honorific alongside Miss and Mrs.
     
    , @AnotherDad

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.
     
    Jack, i don't know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles--my career was in tech and there wasn't a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like "Becky will now demostrate ..."--but i think there's been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like "mizz". Rub that z in your face to show you weren't some "Miss" but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard--i think both because of the abbreviation and young women's own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of "misz".

    I could be completely wrong about this. I'm not an auditory guy--mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.
     
    A breathy Mx. of MX
    sought asylum at the border with Tex.
    "Americans tender
    are cool with my gender.
    Mexicans still go by sex."
  45. @Hail
    The timings of those changes to the New York governor's office contact form (made July 2017 to Feb. 2019) are a useful, historical-record addendum to an earlier, deep-thread comment here on "The rise of the ‘Trans’ movement to political prestige since the mid-2010s, a comfortable perch from which it looks down, in mockery, at us today" -- a 700-word investigation into the Trans movement's origins.

    It found the earliest origin of today's Trans movement may be found as early as Q3 2013; by 2015 it was still considered too weird and bizarre to go anywhere. Yet it pushed successfully into the mainstream between 2016 and 2018. The changes to the New York governor's office contact form fit exactly within that proposed timeline.

    Likewise, it is inconceivable that the candidate for prime minister for the second-largest party in (even) a country like the UK would have "released his pronouns" as of 2015; it looks mildly likelier by 2017; although still laughable, is no longer surprising by late 2019. (Did Jeremy Corbyn release his pronouns leading up to the June 2017 UK general election? I would bet almost certainly not, but maybe some second-tier figures in the the Greens or Liberal Democrats did, in some form, in 2017...but not in 2015.)

    The Oct. 2019 media frenzy around the "Texas mother pushes for castration of Trans son" case in Texas also offered a good opportunity for timelining the Trans movement:


    Back to Dr. Anne — “World War T” had not yet gotten going when she gave birth to twins some time in 2012. [We see signs of a push from above starting in Q3 2013]. I expect politically-active, hard-left-wingers generally got the memo by about 2014 and latecomers by 2015, with stragglers scooped up in 2016, and the great takeover of the center-left occurring starting in 2016 (this was the year of the North Carolina law banning transgender bathrooms). By mid 2019, we had second-tier presidential candidate Corey Booker demanding special rights for “African-American Trans Americans” on stage to hooting applause. A look through at the prestige media any day of the week gives a high probability of seeing a pro-Trans story somewhere towards the forefront. So we’re still in World War T, but the front line has moved much since the mid-2010s.

    We have Dr. Anne noticing her son was really a girl in 2015, committing fully to it in 2017 (this from the father’s statements) and in 2019 stands at the cusp of castrating the son.
     

    With victory for the Gay Movement looking likely in 2013, the 'regime' began raising battalions for a new, planned general offensive, namely the Trans movement, which was full-speed-ahead by about 2016, something that mainstream liberals of 2006 would have probably dismissed as the delusions of a crank.

    In three-to-four years of left-wing and media-directed pressure, the Trans movement fanned out into the political center, and by early 2019 one was being given 'Mx.' as the first option for gender selection by the State of New York, and major political candidates are forced to release their own pronouns on the campaign trail.

    Mao understood that the Revolution had to be continuous or it would lose momentum – a Revolution is like a shark, which must swim forward or it will die. So World War T had to follow World War G or the LBGTXYZ wing of the Party would atrophy. If gay people are just normal (mostly white) people then they have normal white people concerns like whether their lives are in danger due to crime (gays are often pioneers of gentrification) and whether their jobs are in danger due to government policies, etc. They had gotten everything they asked for so they had no reason to stay with the Coalition of the Fringes anymore. You need some issue to keep them on the reservation and keep the “activists” employed.

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it? This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Steve reckons it's now WWH (h for hair). About 90 % of op-eds now hinge around the battle for acceptance of "bad hair".
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    That's a pretty good explanation, Jack, of those more serious on-going revolutions by the Commies in (as you wrote) Mao's China and also Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc. The "Revolution" never seems to be over and done with, as it was for the American colonists and the British in 1781. Nope, a day without the revolution is like a day without sunshine for these people - see "Long Marches, never-ending marches, and Revolutions".
    , @Hail

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it?
     
    Steve is on record predicting it will be polygamy -- specifically, polygamy by diversity-immigrants, especially Black Africans.

    Then there was the story of a racially ambiguous woman with four white , live-in 'husbands' that surfaced a few weeks ago, which, looking back from the mid 2020s or so, could possibly be identifiable as an opening salvo (but not if it remains in the Sun-type tabloid ghetto). As you say, it's about the time.

    She is pregnant, expecting in Feb. 2020, and the five of them plan to raise the baby together. The story sounds like an elaborate troll job, and maybe it is (as was the case in late 2015 or so when international media reported that a Berlin gay couple, grinning pictures included, was hosting fifteen young male refugees to do their part for the cause), but in any case the polyandry case was reported by the Sun (UK), Dec. 5.

    In case any reading this missed it:

    Mum-to-be, 20, in a polyamorous relationship will raise baby girl with four dads

    Tory Ojeda lives with three of her partners in Jacksonville, Florida, and is seven-months pregnant with her first child which will brought up by all her lovers
     

    “But as far as I guess, socially goes, we're all raising the baby together, so everyone's dad.

    “We’re all very, very excited to be raising a baby together.”
     

    They all have their own bedrooms but her partners “swap in and out” of her bed each night, making sure each of them gets an “equal turn” in spending the night with Tory.
     
    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21031914.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Im-Dating-4-Guys-And-Now-Im-Pregnant.jpg
  46. @Jack D

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced - is it mix? Isn't MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced – is it mix? Isn’t MX the abbreviation for Mexico?

  47. @Jack D
    Mao understood that the Revolution had to be continuous or it would lose momentum - a Revolution is like a shark, which must swim forward or it will die. So World War T had to follow World War G or the LBGTXYZ wing of the Party would atrophy. If gay people are just normal (mostly white) people then they have normal white people concerns like whether their lives are in danger due to crime (gays are often pioneers of gentrification) and whether their jobs are in danger due to government policies, etc. They had gotten everything they asked for so they had no reason to stay with the Coalition of the Fringes anymore. You need some issue to keep them on the reservation and keep the "activists" employed.

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it? This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?

    Steve reckons it’s now WWH (h for hair). About 90 % of op-eds now hinge around the battle for acceptance of “bad hair”.

  48. Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced – is it mix?

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary (see earlier comment), in the UK it is mex/mix while in the US it is mix/mex.

  49. Didn’t the the old Superman comics have this Mr./Ms./Mx. thing straightened out by introducing Mr. Mxyzptlk? Maybe everybody can be just called that. Or we could call everybody Rumpelstiltskin, and have done.

    As to British voters rejecting antisemitism, that would be very hard for them to do, since antisemitism does not exist, and certainly not in Britain.

  50. @Dumbo
    How could Britain, home of the "empire where the sun never sets", rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I'm seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    Poz. National-Immunodeficiency-Virus.

    Once a nation is infected, it loses the ability to fight off lesser diseases.

  51. @Jack D
    The three most important issues in this campaign were Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Any constituency that was pro-Brexit shifted toward the Conservatives and any constituency that was anti-Brexit shifted toward Labour.

    Everything else was secondary - NHS, Labour antisemitism, etc. I would love to say that Corbyn's defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn't really. However, had he won the antisemites on Unz would have claimed it as a victory for the relegitimization of antisemitism, so close enough.

    I would love to say that Corbyn’s defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn’t really.

    It will never be enough for you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If I had said that Corbyn's defeat WAS a rejection of anti-Semitism (a claim which Israel BTW made today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788999/Israel-hails-Jeremy-Corbyns-crushing-defeat-milestone-fight-against-anti-Semitism.html) you wouldn't have liked that either.
  52. @Dumbo
    How could Britain, home of the "empire where the sun never sets", rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I'm seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    I’m seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    150 years? You really are an incurable optimist.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Dumbo
  53. @Jack D
    Mao understood that the Revolution had to be continuous or it would lose momentum - a Revolution is like a shark, which must swim forward or it will die. So World War T had to follow World War G or the LBGTXYZ wing of the Party would atrophy. If gay people are just normal (mostly white) people then they have normal white people concerns like whether their lives are in danger due to crime (gays are often pioneers of gentrification) and whether their jobs are in danger due to government policies, etc. They had gotten everything they asked for so they had no reason to stay with the Coalition of the Fringes anymore. You need some issue to keep them on the reservation and keep the "activists" employed.

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it? This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?

    That’s a pretty good explanation, Jack, of those more serious on-going revolutions by the Commies in (as you wrote) Mao’s China and also Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc. The “Revolution” never seems to be over and done with, as it was for the American colonists and the British in 1781. Nope, a day without the revolution is like a day without sunshine for these people – see “Long Marches, never-ending marches, and Revolutions”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Mao's belief (which was not wrong) was that once the revolutionaries had taken power they would tend to just become the new substitute bourgeois class so that the workers would remain repressed as ever. The same thing that Orwell saw, where at the end of Animal Farm the pigs are sleeping in the farmer's bed while the rest of the animals are still out in the barn where they always were. Mao saw that this had happened in Russia (and it has happened in every other Communist society to one degree or another - the Kim dynasty has gone beyond that and appointed themselves as traditional god-emperors).

    There are a lot of things in life (as in medicine) where cure is much harder than diagnosis and where sometimes a quack cure (in the absence of a real one) is worse than the disease itself. This is true of Communism in general as the "cure" for the ills of capitalism (which are real enough) as well as for Continuous Revolution as the cure for the stagnation of the Revolution. Revolutions are chaotic and should be done only in case of extreme emergency, like taking an emetic if you have consumed poison. No society can withstand continuous revolution.

    Mao of course exempted himself from the continuous revolution- down below deck it was the job of the crewmen to throw all of the officers overboard but Mao was to remain as the Helmsman guiding the ship. And in order for such an irreplaceable person as himself to remain at such a demanding position without breaking down from the stress, he needed to be well taken care of.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Mao was more astute (and vicious) than the Soviets. Mao concentrated on rural populations over the urban and the industrial----that was the way to develop guerilla fighters for your cause, and yet keep everyone down on the farm and from industrializing into failure. He also used the nationalist idea of kicking out the Japanese invaders to get people to rally to the Commie cause---only to find out, too late, that Mao was more of a killer of his own people than the Japanese Emperor had been.
  54. @Anonymous
    Why not drop all titles and just address everybody as Citizen like 1790s Paris?

    Referring to each other as Citizen would be exclusionary. What about the undocumented dreamers amongst us?

  55. @PhysicistDave
    Back shortly before the Brexit vote, my girls' dance teacher casually asked me what I thought about Brexit.

    I replied that, if I were English, "I think I'd want my country back."

    She agreed.

    An interesting lady, by the way: she had an offer to go with the Joffrey, but, for financial reasons, decided to go commercial: she ended up performing with Sinatra and Martin and got to know Sammy Davis (she said they fit their public personas: Martin was an eccentric but nice guy, Davis was super-sweet, and Sinatra had a bit of an edge).

    I'm a "rootless cosmopolite," but, were I English, I'd still rather be governed from London than Brussels.

    Seems the majority in the UK still agree.

    The old environmentalist slogan was "Think globally, act locally." Seems the Populist Right may be figuring out how to actually do it.

    You’re not rootless; you stand on the shoulders of giants.

    The rootless kick them in the shins.

  56. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high.

    Even as an American this seems pretty obvious.

    As far as i can tell, Boris’s core ideology is Johnsonism–not the author, nor the Johnsonism all guys naturally have, Boris certainly has that too! but simply–“What’s good for Boris Johnson”. That’s how he–an obvious global cosmopolitan super-stater ended up as a champion of Brexit.

    But if he actually has an honest natural ideological tendency it seems to me it social-liberalism and neoliberalism. He’s one of these noisy people who is the exactly opposite quadrant (of those graphs of social/economic liberalism/conservatism) from populism. (These folks are thick on the ground in US elites despite this quadrant being the least populated among the populace and its opposite being the most.) But he’s got a phony bumptious on-your-side, sticking-it-to-em shtick going on–quite an accomplishment for having one of the most privileged elite establishment backgrounds on the planet.

    Trump has some similar characteristics, but i’ll give Trump credit that he seems to have an honest viscerally–not very intellectual–feeling that our elites have been doing a shitty job and screwing the American people. (Which is, of course, true.) And a real desire–again not very well developed intellectually or in terms of policy–to do better.

    There is really nothing really conservative about Boris Johnson. And if other Tories don’t rein him in and start doing something about Britain’s immigration disaster, Johnson will end up being the unconservative “Conservative” who sinks the ship.

    • Agree: Charon
  57. @Jack D

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced - is it mix? Isn't MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz

    Interesting anecdote from a column titled “Ms.” by Ben Zimmer in the New York Times magazine’s “On Language” section, Oct. 23, 2009:

    The turning point, [Sheila] Michaels told me recently, came when she was interviewed on the progressive New York radio station WBAI in late 1969 or early 1970. The program “Womankind” invited her on with other members of a radical group known simply as the Feminists, and during a lull in the show she plunged into her impassioned plea for Ms. Her advocacy finally paid off. The following August, when women’s rights supporters commemorated the 50th anniversary of suffrage with the Women’s Strike for Equality, Ms. became recognized as a calling card of the feminist movement.

    Just days before the national demonstration, on Aug. 24, Gloria Steinem registered her approval in her “City Politic” column in New York magazine. “Personally,” she wrote, “I’m all in favor of the new form and will put it on all letters and documents.” Still, she was uncertain about the pronunciation: “An airline clerk asked me, ‘Miss or Mrs.?’ on the phone, and I was stumped. How the hell do you pronounce Ms.?” By the time Steinem and her colleagues introduced Ms. magazine in 1971, both the “miss” and “mizz” pronunciations were considered acceptable — with “mizz” … eventually winning out in common usage.

    In some quarters, recognition of Ms. was slow in coming. The New York Times waited until 1986 to announce that it would embrace the use of Ms. as an honorific alongside Miss and Mrs.

  58. @Jack D

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced - is it mix? Isn't MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Jack, i don’t know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles–my career was in tech and there wasn’t a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like “Becky will now demostrate …”–but i think there’s been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like “mizz”. Rub that z in your face to show you weren’t some “Miss” but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard–i think both because of the abbreviation and young women’s own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of “misz”.

    I could be completely wrong about this. I’m not an auditory guy–mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think what has happened is that in common usage Miss and Ms. have merged and by now there are probably a lot of people who think that Ms. is the abbreviation for Miss and they pronounce it as such. Miss at this point seems old fashioned and is not really used much as a title (Miss Smith) , especially not for full grown women, as opposed to by itself (excuse me, miss) where it is still common. But its replacement, Ms. is still pronounced mizz in educated standard US English. Like a lot of English words, pronunciations and usages vary a lot by region as well as by social class so I can't speak for everyone and everywhere.
    , @Neil Templeton
    My pronunciation of Ms. depends upon the visual.
    , @Hail

    i think there’s been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like “mizz”. Rub that z in your face to show you weren’t some “Miss” but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard–i think both because of the abbreviation and young women’s own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of “misz”
     

    I agree with this, and would suggest a secondary possible influence on the "mizz" pronunciation": People not at all happy with the re-engineering of the language at the time who used the strongly distinct pronunciation ironically.

    When presented with the possibility that the two are different, people will understandably tend to differentiate them, or want to for logical coherence.But when "Ms." became hegemonic (how often has "Miss Smith" even come up in the 2010s?), the pronunciation tended to slide back to "miss" (or close to it).

    There is something that sounds defiant about "mizz" (in most N.American accents), reminiscent of the attitude on show on Bill Ayers' face in his smirking prison photograph ca. 1969; one such 1980s-era use cited above by commenter Dtbb.

    And as the Weathermen moved from fringe radicals (1970s) to celebrated insiders and mentors to a president (arguably by the 1990s; certainly by the 2000s), so too did "Ms." move to the center, as it were. Or so is my impression.

    , @Mr. Anon
    I remember the adoption of Ms. (pronounced "Miz") vs. the old fashioned "Miss". There was even a magazine with the title Ms. Magazine. It wasn't just an organic sound-shift; it was very much a femin0-political statement.
  59. @Jack D
    The three most important issues in this campaign were Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Any constituency that was pro-Brexit shifted toward the Conservatives and any constituency that was anti-Brexit shifted toward Labour.

    Everything else was secondary - NHS, Labour antisemitism, etc. I would love to say that Corbyn's defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn't really. However, had he won the antisemites on Unz would have claimed it as a victory for the relegitimization of antisemitism, so close enough.

    This second paragraph is very silly. Before replying, understand that I have changed the definition of “irrational hatred” to “disagreeing with me.”

  60. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Article about how violent kids are taking over Florida classrooms:

    https://projects.sun-sentinel.com/teenage-time-bombs/how-schools-manage-violent-kids/

    “In an eight-month investigation, the South Florida Sun Sentinel found that a sweeping push for “inclusion” enables unstable children to attend regular classes even though school districts severely lack the support staff to manage them. State and federal laws guarantee those students a spot in regular classrooms until they seriously harm or maim others.”

    “Violent students have injured thousands of teachers, bus drivers and staff in Broward County alone and undoubtedly thousands more across Florida, records obtained by the Sun Sentinel show.”

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    That was a good read (and terrifying and aggravating). Also an example of "journalism" - they actually went out and studied the topic, getting all sorts of view points, before writing the article. I'm not sure what it says that the South Florida Sun-Sentinel can do what the NYT and Bezos Post can't.
    , @AnotherDad

    OT: Article about how violent kids are taking over Florida classrooms:
     
    Anon, this isn't really off-topic at all. It is the same fundamental issue.

    There aren't 31 different flavors of leftist evil destroying the West, there is one--minoritarianism.

    The bottom line here is not complicated:

    Either a nation's people can *unapologetically* go about their business, according to their norms, values, culture, reproducing the nation physically and culturally …

    or

    its majority can be cowed by the various minoritarian whiners yelling "anti-Semitism!", "racism!", "sexism!", "violating my civil rights!", "homophobia!", "disabled rights!", "social justice!", "islamophobia!", "xenophobia!", "profiling!", "white privilege!", "structural racism!", "he didn't do nuthing!", "transphobia!", "microaggression!", "made me feel unsafe!", "triggered!" ... "he touched my hair!"

    and see their nation die.
  61. @Foreign Expert
    My pronouns are:
    Excellency
    Your excellency
    His excellency

    Mine are Ping, Pang and Pong, and woe to anyone who denies me.

  62. OT:

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon), I present to you an image certain to induce cold sweats in the middle of the night:

    The Daily Mail sez she looks “wonderfully youthful” … I say she looks frightfully freaky.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7789101/Hillary-Clinton-72-looks-incredibly-youthful-event-Broadway.html

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    I'm glad Trump won and believe he moved the "Overton Window" a bit in my direction. And i still hold out hope he hasn't damaged the nationalist brand too much.

    But also little doubt in my mind that Hillary! would have been absolutely dreadful for the party of my enemy--the Democrats. So Trump came with an opportunity cost.

    ~~~

    BTW, what's behind the tendency of many old women to dress with loud, often ugly jewlry--and often clothes as well. It's definitely seems to be a thing.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon)
     
    You miss the true significance of the day. Eye bleach for the troops:


    13 DEC LUCY OF SYRACUSE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tcur8ND5Ks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzaMav3Lp4

    , @Bill Jones
    She looks better when she remembers to put her teeth in.
  63. @AnotherDad

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.
     
    Jack, i don't know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles--my career was in tech and there wasn't a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like "Becky will now demostrate ..."--but i think there's been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like "mizz". Rub that z in your face to show you weren't some "Miss" but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard--i think both because of the abbreviation and young women's own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of "misz".

    I could be completely wrong about this. I'm not an auditory guy--mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.

    I think what has happened is that in common usage Miss and Ms. have merged and by now there are probably a lot of people who think that Ms. is the abbreviation for Miss and they pronounce it as such. Miss at this point seems old fashioned and is not really used much as a title (Miss Smith) , especially not for full grown women, as opposed to by itself (excuse me, miss) where it is still common. But its replacement, Ms. is still pronounced mizz in educated standard US English. Like a lot of English words, pronunciations and usages vary a lot by region as well as by social class so I can’t speak for everyone and everywhere.

  64. The terrorist organization Antifa is taking the liquidation of comrade Corbyn in stride, with maturity, and a reflective concern for what the left might have done differently. Just kidding, of course, they’re rioting.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I thin the "f a" in Antifa should stand for First Amendment, as what Antifa seems most opposed to is the right of people they disagree with to express themselves or peaceably assemble.
  65. @Bill Jones
    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he's led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.


    It is time to shed the parasites.

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359

    Imagine the cost to the Republic, with one-thirteenth the population of the UK, should they reunite.

    Then again, these people may come home to help out:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/britain-s-shrinking-ageing-irish-population-1.3817868

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    Reg did you see Gideon on ITV last night, he used a strange phrase, he talked about an Irish confederation, which is more or less what we will have after Brexit, Northern Ireland is now no longer part of the UK, and your question as to who is going to pay for it, well it looks like the English tax payer will foot the bill, the more I think about this the funnier it gets
  66. @Jack D

    and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith
     
    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.

    Speaking of which, how is Mx. pronounced - is it mix? Isn't MX the abbreviation for Mexico. What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.

    A breathy Mx. of MX
    sought asylum at the border with Tex.
    “Americans tender
    are cool with my gender.
    Mexicans still go by sex.”

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Lot
    Bravx!
  67. There is something wrong here. When I read the title, what I had in mind was something like Jeremy Corbyn identifying, though temporarily, as a she/her in solidarity with trans-people. What is so solidary in identifying as a cisgender male, something which he has always been, and every transphobe is also? It was very arrogant and inconsiderate of him, when you think about it.

  68. @Matra
    I would love to say that Corbyn’s defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn’t really.

    It will never be enough for you.

    If I had said that Corbyn’s defeat WAS a rejection of anti-Semitism (a claim which Israel BTW made today – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788999/Israel-hails-Jeremy-Corbyns-crushing-defeat-milestone-fight-against-anti-Semitism.html) you wouldn’t have liked that either.

    • Replies: @anon
    If I had said that Corbyn’s defeat WAS a rejection of anti-Semitism (a claim which Israel BTW made today – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788999/Israel-hails-Jeremy-Corbyns-crushing-defeat-milestone-fight-against-anti-Semitism.html)

    Tribal nation sees election in another country through the lens of tribalism. This is news?

    Did the press in Lagos see this election as some kind of referendum on West Africans in Britain? It would not be surprise to me if they did. That's what tribes do, it is a key tribal behavior. It is a strength and a weakness at the same time.

    Note that no tribal nation has yet put even a robot on the moon, let alone a live human. Coincidence?
  69. @AnotherDad

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.
     
    Jack, i don't know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles--my career was in tech and there wasn't a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like "Becky will now demostrate ..."--but i think there's been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like "mizz". Rub that z in your face to show you weren't some "Miss" but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard--i think both because of the abbreviation and young women's own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of "misz".

    I could be completely wrong about this. I'm not an auditory guy--mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.

    My pronunciation of Ms. depends upon the visual.

  70. @Stan Adams
    OT:

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon), I present to you an image certain to induce cold sweats in the middle of the night:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/11/22197886-7789101-image-a-307_1576235804454.jpg

    The Daily Mail sez she looks "wonderfully youthful" ... I say she looks frightfully freaky.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7789101/Hillary-Clinton-72-looks-incredibly-youthful-event-Broadway.html

    I’m glad Trump won and believe he moved the “Overton Window” a bit in my direction. And i still hold out hope he hasn’t damaged the nationalist brand too much.

    But also little doubt in my mind that Hillary! would have been absolutely dreadful for the party of my enemy–the Democrats. So Trump came with an opportunity cost.

    ~~~

    BTW, what’s behind the tendency of many old women to dress with loud, often ugly jewlry–and often clothes as well. It’s definitely seems to be a thing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The clothes and jewelry are because these women when through their impressionistic years in the 1960s and 70s, when clothing was loud, hippie, and stupid. They've never gotten over the idea that dressing like a gypsy is 'normal and cool.'
  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's a pretty good explanation, Jack, of those more serious on-going revolutions by the Commies in (as you wrote) Mao's China and also Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc. The "Revolution" never seems to be over and done with, as it was for the American colonists and the British in 1781. Nope, a day without the revolution is like a day without sunshine for these people - see "Long Marches, never-ending marches, and Revolutions".

    Mao’s belief (which was not wrong) was that once the revolutionaries had taken power they would tend to just become the new substitute bourgeois class so that the workers would remain repressed as ever. The same thing that Orwell saw, where at the end of Animal Farm the pigs are sleeping in the farmer’s bed while the rest of the animals are still out in the barn where they always were. Mao saw that this had happened in Russia (and it has happened in every other Communist society to one degree or another – the Kim dynasty has gone beyond that and appointed themselves as traditional god-emperors).

    There are a lot of things in life (as in medicine) where cure is much harder than diagnosis and where sometimes a quack cure (in the absence of a real one) is worse than the disease itself. This is true of Communism in general as the “cure” for the ills of capitalism (which are real enough) as well as for Continuous Revolution as the cure for the stagnation of the Revolution. Revolutions are chaotic and should be done only in case of extreme emergency, like taking an emetic if you have consumed poison. No society can withstand continuous revolution.

    Mao of course exempted himself from the continuous revolution- down below deck it was the job of the crewmen to throw all of the officers overboard but Mao was to remain as the Helmsman guiding the ship. And in order for such an irreplaceable person as himself to remain at such a demanding position without breaking down from the stress, he needed to be well taken care of.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, El Dato
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I've heard similar tales of FDR's administrations.
  72. @Jack D
    The three most important issues in this campaign were Brexit, Brexit and Brexit. Any constituency that was pro-Brexit shifted toward the Conservatives and any constituency that was anti-Brexit shifted toward Labour.

    Everything else was secondary - NHS, Labour antisemitism, etc. I would love to say that Corbyn's defeat was a rejection of antisemitism by British voters but it wasn't really. However, had he won the antisemites on Unz would have claimed it as a victory for the relegitimization of antisemitism, so close enough.

    Labour’s complete meltdown shows again that God curses those that curse Israel.

    Something else the whole Corbyn coverage the past couple years showed is that normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1204480634850365447

    normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.
     
    And they both reveal a pathetic weakness that goes a long way to explain why they haven't managed to conserve a goddamned thing. Normie working class Brits decided that election and they couldn't give a flying fuck about semitism one way or another.

    This is more like it:

    https://twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1205329196865732608
  73. @Foreign Expert
    My pronouns are:
    Excellency
    Your excellency
    His excellency

    Reminds me of the following (true) story:

    Prince Rupert Loewenstein, known to some as the financial brains behind the Rolling Stones, noticed one day that the svelte figure he had once enjoyed was fast disappearing. Deciding to try an American fat farm (he had a house in Beverly Hills), he paid his fee and showed up on the appointed date. A card was handed to him: this he was to fill out with the name he preferred to be addressed by for the coming two weeks. He smiled, filled out the form, and handed it to the waiting attendant. On it were written, with becoming modesty, the following two uncompromising words: “Your Highness”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Loewenstein is an unusual case in that while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too - enough Jewish blood that it was wise for his family to leave Germany when the Nazis took power (although he himself was a devout Catholic).
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Good grief, only Germans can come up with such long names.... Rupert Louis Ferdinand Frederick Constantine Lofredo Leopold Herbert Maximilian Hubert John Henry zu Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, Count of Loewenstein-Scharffeneck
  74. Antifa shards and the #QueerResistance are protesting against Boris and Islamophobia in London.

  75. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's a pretty good explanation, Jack, of those more serious on-going revolutions by the Commies in (as you wrote) Mao's China and also Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc. The "Revolution" never seems to be over and done with, as it was for the American colonists and the British in 1781. Nope, a day without the revolution is like a day without sunshine for these people - see "Long Marches, never-ending marches, and Revolutions".

    Mao was more astute (and vicious) than the Soviets. Mao concentrated on rural populations over the urban and the industrial—-that was the way to develop guerilla fighters for your cause, and yet keep everyone down on the farm and from industrializing into failure. He also used the nationalist idea of kicking out the Japanese invaders to get people to rally to the Commie cause—only to find out, too late, that Mao was more of a killer of his own people than the Japanese Emperor had been.

  76. @Hail
    Governor Andrew Cuomo's office wants to know if they can call you "Mx."

    Send a Message to the Governor

    Please note that we will be unable to process incomplete or inaccurate entries. An asterisk* indicates that the question is mandatory.
     

    Salutation *
     

    [Select from drop-down:]

    - Mx.
    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mr.
    - Mrs. & Mrs.
     
    Those are the 'Salutation' options, as of this writing, at https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form

    As recently as June 2016, when gender bigots were apparently still in charge around there, the New York Governor's Office contact form had these, offensively paltry options:

    June 2016:

    - Mr.
    - Ms.
    - Mrs.
    - Mr. & Mrs.
     
    By July 2017, a 'Blank' option was introduced, a sign, no doubt, that the gender bigots' iron-grip on the New York gubernatorial apparatus was slipping.

    In the first week of July 2017, the "Mr. & Mr." and "Mrs. & Mrs." options were added. In Feb. or March 2019, the 'Mx.' option was added, bringing gender or gender-combination options to 8 (seven plus the 'Blank' option).

    How many gender options will there by on this menu on Jan. 1, 2025? Jan. 1, 2030?

    “Msx” sounds fine.

  77. Danny Aiello says hi.
    Or he would, had he not just died.

  78. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    ‘… People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the “right wing” option…’

    What I care about is that calling for amnesty for illegal immigrants is ‘the right wing option.’

    • Replies: @anon
    What I care about is that calling for amnesty for illegal immigrants invaders is ‘the right wing option.’

    FIFY. No charge.
  79. @David
    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.

    Only in lieu of a reconstituted Roman Empire.

    Rohan beats Orcs.

  80. @Old Palo Altan
    Reminds me of the following (true) story:

    Prince Rupert Loewenstein, known to some as the financial brains behind the Rolling Stones, noticed one day that the svelte figure he had once enjoyed was fast disappearing. Deciding to try an American fat farm (he had a house in Beverly Hills), he paid his fee and showed up on the appointed date. A card was handed to him: this he was to fill out with the name he preferred to be addressed by for the coming two weeks. He smiled, filled out the form, and handed it to the waiting attendant. On it were written, with becoming modesty, the following two uncompromising words: "Your Highness".

    Loewenstein is an unusual case in that while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too – enough Jewish blood that it was wise for his family to leave Germany when the Nazis took power (although he himself was a devout Catholic).

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    His Jewish blood was very distinguished, including a Rothschild descent through the Baron Tedesco, who built one of the very last private palaces in Vienna in 1864. He was also closely related to Tobias Asser, Nobel Peace Prize winner, and, on that same side, Felix Mendelssohn. Both his mother and his father were half-Jewish, but the Loewenstein name was not, it being a family of German princes who trace themselves back to the morganatic marriage of an Elector Palatine in the fifteenth century.

    I had the honour of knowing him fairly well. We lunched two or three times a year when I was still living in London, and one of those occasions turned out to be just after the election of Pope Benedict XVI. As I entered the restaurant (always the same one) and approached him, he looked up, beamed, and declared "An event which calls for champagne wouldn't you say?" Our candidate had been elected, and we were as happy as clams.

    Thank God he did not live to see the full dimensions of our present calamity.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too"

    LOL WTF do you mean by "somehow"?

    If you guys didn't exist, it would be necessary for Messrs Shakespeare, Armin and Kemp to make you up.
  81. @Lot
    Labour’s complete meltdown shows again that God curses those that curse Israel.

    Something else the whole Corbyn coverage the past couple years showed is that normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.

    normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.

    And they both reveal a pathetic weakness that goes a long way to explain why they haven’t managed to conserve a goddamned thing. Normie working class Brits decided that election and they couldn’t give a flying fuck about semitism one way or another.

    This is more like it:

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Lot
    “And they both reveal a pathetic weakness”

    Even mild prejudice against someone because of their race is considered even on the mainstream right to be a sin akin to violent crime and child molestation.

    I agree that this is irrational. But changing it is nearly impossible, while exploiting it against the left seems to actually work. Politics isn’t a good place to practice a scrupulous intellectual honesty.

    In conclusion, “Dems are the real racist and Lincoln was a Republican” are dumb arguments that I am resigned to accept as useful.
  82. @Jack D
    Mao's belief (which was not wrong) was that once the revolutionaries had taken power they would tend to just become the new substitute bourgeois class so that the workers would remain repressed as ever. The same thing that Orwell saw, where at the end of Animal Farm the pigs are sleeping in the farmer's bed while the rest of the animals are still out in the barn where they always were. Mao saw that this had happened in Russia (and it has happened in every other Communist society to one degree or another - the Kim dynasty has gone beyond that and appointed themselves as traditional god-emperors).

    There are a lot of things in life (as in medicine) where cure is much harder than diagnosis and where sometimes a quack cure (in the absence of a real one) is worse than the disease itself. This is true of Communism in general as the "cure" for the ills of capitalism (which are real enough) as well as for Continuous Revolution as the cure for the stagnation of the Revolution. Revolutions are chaotic and should be done only in case of extreme emergency, like taking an emetic if you have consumed poison. No society can withstand continuous revolution.

    Mao of course exempted himself from the continuous revolution- down below deck it was the job of the crewmen to throw all of the officers overboard but Mao was to remain as the Helmsman guiding the ship. And in order for such an irreplaceable person as himself to remain at such a demanding position without breaking down from the stress, he needed to be well taken care of.

    I’ve heard similar tales of FDR’s administrations.

  83. @Bugg
    Problem for the left is their chosen leaders should not be trusted with anything more significant than a coffee order. And they would fuck that up anyway. Being that they love the 3rd world, invariably you'd get 45 sugars in your coffee. People are starting to grasp silly people should not be allowed to run anything. There will be blips (I live in NYC!), but the tide is turning.

    “ Problem for the left is their chosen leaders should not be trusted with anything more significant than a coffee order. And they would fuck that up anyway. ”

    Visiting some Trump Country relatives last month, the Starbucks was noticeably cleaner, faster, and more orderly than in California.

    The same type of bearded hipster baristas still worked there, but they too looked cleaner.

  84. @AnotherDad
    I'm glad Trump won and believe he moved the "Overton Window" a bit in my direction. And i still hold out hope he hasn't damaged the nationalist brand too much.

    But also little doubt in my mind that Hillary! would have been absolutely dreadful for the party of my enemy--the Democrats. So Trump came with an opportunity cost.

    ~~~

    BTW, what's behind the tendency of many old women to dress with loud, often ugly jewlry--and often clothes as well. It's definitely seems to be a thing.

    The clothes and jewelry are because these women when through their impressionistic years in the 1960s and 70s, when clothing was loud, hippie, and stupid. They’ve never gotten over the idea that dressing like a gypsy is ‘normal and cool.’

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Well spotted (as they say in Scotland).

    Theresa May did it too, particularly where the chunky jewellery is concerned.

    Hideous, but ludicrous too.
  85. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/DarrenJBeattie/status/1204480634850365447

    normie mainstream conservatives LOVE LOVE LOVE calling leftists antisemites. It’s a variation on Dems are the real racists.
     
    And they both reveal a pathetic weakness that goes a long way to explain why they haven't managed to conserve a goddamned thing. Normie working class Brits decided that election and they couldn't give a flying fuck about semitism one way or another.

    This is more like it:

    https://twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1205329196865732608

    “And they both reveal a pathetic weakness”

    Even mild prejudice against someone because of their race is considered even on the mainstream right to be a sin akin to violent crime and child molestation.

    I agree that this is irrational. But changing it is nearly impossible, while exploiting it against the left seems to actually work. Politics isn’t a good place to practice a scrupulous intellectual honesty.

    In conclusion, “Dems are the real racist and Lincoln was a Republican” are dumb arguments that I am resigned to accept as useful.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    But they're not (useful). This has already been hashed out among people more adept in these matters than we are. Such tactics make us look (accurately) weak.

    changing it is nearly impossible
     
    We don't need to change it. The entire edifice is already collapsing under its own preposterous weight. The important thing is to live the viable alternative.

    BoJo won and won big for one reason above all others, and it is similar to why Trump won:

    Because he is comfortable enough with his own manhood that he doesn't need to constantly denigrate others to prop it up, including making shit up out of whole cloth when necessary. Let the SJWs tilt at their windmills. Concern yourself with the real and true.
  86. @Reg Cæsar

    What if you are an Mx. from MX? I see limerick potential there.
     
    A breathy Mx. of MX
    sought asylum at the border with Tex.
    "Americans tender
    are cool with my gender.
    Mexicans still go by sex."

    Bravx!

  87. @Reg Cæsar

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
     
    Imagine the cost to the Republic, with one-thirteenth the population of the UK, should they reunite.

    Then again, these people may come home to help out:




    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/britain-s-shrinking-ageing-irish-population-1.3817868

    Reg did you see Gideon on ITV last night, he used a strange phrase, he talked about an Irish confederation, which is more or less what we will have after Brexit, Northern Ireland is now no longer part of the UK, and your question as to who is going to pay for it, well it looks like the English tax payer will foot the bill, the more I think about this the funnier it gets

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I mean if you're not going to bother being Protestant what's the bloody point then?
  88. @Anon
    OT: Article about how violent kids are taking over Florida classrooms:

    https://projects.sun-sentinel.com/teenage-time-bombs/how-schools-manage-violent-kids/

    "In an eight-month investigation, the South Florida Sun Sentinel found that a sweeping push for “inclusion” enables unstable children to attend regular classes even though school districts severely lack the support staff to manage them. State and federal laws guarantee those students a spot in regular classrooms until they seriously harm or maim others."

    "Violent students have injured thousands of teachers, bus drivers and staff in Broward County alone and undoubtedly thousands more across Florida, records obtained by the Sun Sentinel show."

    That was a good read (and terrifying and aggravating). Also an example of “journalism” – they actually went out and studied the topic, getting all sorts of view points, before writing the article. I’m not sure what it says that the South Florida Sun-Sentinel can do what the NYT and Bezos Post can’t.

  89. OT – NYTimes wrings hands over “Trump anxiety disorder”.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/us/politics/Donald-Trump-2020.html
    Perhaps hackers have taken over the site?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/opinion/sunday/trump-democracy.html
    These people are, truly, deranged.

  90. @Old Palo Altan
    Reminds me of the following (true) story:

    Prince Rupert Loewenstein, known to some as the financial brains behind the Rolling Stones, noticed one day that the svelte figure he had once enjoyed was fast disappearing. Deciding to try an American fat farm (he had a house in Beverly Hills), he paid his fee and showed up on the appointed date. A card was handed to him: this he was to fill out with the name he preferred to be addressed by for the coming two weeks. He smiled, filled out the form, and handed it to the waiting attendant. On it were written, with becoming modesty, the following two uncompromising words: "Your Highness".

    Good grief, only Germans can come up with such long names…. Rupert Louis Ferdinand Frederick Constantine Lofredo Leopold Herbert Maximilian Hubert John Henry zu Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, Count of Loewenstein-Scharffeneck

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Exhilarating, isn't it?
  91. @Tusk
    Well no wonder there doesn't seem to be many "right wing" parties in the West. Just left-neoliberal or right-neoliberal.

    Tovarisch.

    Duc D’Orleans supported the Jacobins, was the deciding vote in executing his cousin the King, and changed his name to Citoyen Philippe Egalite. He still got guillotined.

  92. I expected to hear the BBC radio reaction to the election (I was actually looking forward to it) but never did, because the BBC news program which normally airs on one of two NPR stations was pre-empted. Both NPR stations ran live uninterrupted raw feed from the seat’s-edge, hair-whitening excitement that was the Jerry Nadler show. I had just left a 4chan thread discussing how this was pure procedural fooling around, and could theoretically go on as long as Sunday, to say nothing of how nothing said amid its day-like hours would change anything for either side. It was amazing, but it makes sense. Lefties know that nobody cares about an incoherent scandal which results in Biden looking much worse, but even that is preferable to discussing how, ahead of our own election, the UK has had an election with a decisive and pundit-slapping result …

  93. @Colin Wright
    '... People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the “right wing” option...'

    What I care about is that calling for amnesty for illegal immigrants is 'the right wing option.'

    What I care about is that calling for amnesty for illegal immigrants invaders is ‘the right wing option.’

    FIFY. No charge.

  94. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    Dan Fielding in “Night Court”
    Dan: “Miss Sullivan?”
    Christine:”It’s Miz.”
    Dan:”Sorry, my mizzztake!”

    For some reason this is stuck in my mind.

  95. @Achmed E. Newman
    Sounds like you been reading Peak Stupidity's "Fun with Pronouns".

    No, I have that album in storage somewhere. It was disappointing, not up to their earlier ones, but somehow that one song has stuck in the brain.

    Actually, I read everybody’s comments, but visit nobody’s Web site. Even in retirement, one’s days are too short.

    Admit it, we just think alike.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Admit it, we just think alike.
     
    Now that hurts!

    ;-}
  96. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    If I had said that Corbyn's defeat WAS a rejection of anti-Semitism (a claim which Israel BTW made today - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788999/Israel-hails-Jeremy-Corbyns-crushing-defeat-milestone-fight-against-anti-Semitism.html) you wouldn't have liked that either.

    If I had said that Corbyn’s defeat WAS a rejection of anti-Semitism (a claim which Israel BTW made today – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788999/Israel-hails-Jeremy-Corbyns-crushing-defeat-milestone-fight-against-anti-Semitism.html)

    Tribal nation sees election in another country through the lens of tribalism. This is news?

    Did the press in Lagos see this election as some kind of referendum on West Africans in Britain? It would not be surprise to me if they did. That’s what tribes do, it is a key tribal behavior. It is a strength and a weakness at the same time.

    Note that no tribal nation has yet put even a robot on the moon, let alone a live human. Coincidence?

  97. I miss George Harrison.

    Pronouns: I, me, mine.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I miss George Harrison.

    Pronouns: I, me, mine.
     
    I miss Beaker.

    Pronouns: me, me, me...



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj2NP25TIo
  98. @Jack D
    Loewenstein is an unusual case in that while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too - enough Jewish blood that it was wise for his family to leave Germany when the Nazis took power (although he himself was a devout Catholic).

    His Jewish blood was very distinguished, including a Rothschild descent through the Baron Tedesco, who built one of the very last private palaces in Vienna in 1864. He was also closely related to Tobias Asser, Nobel Peace Prize winner, and, on that same side, Felix Mendelssohn. Both his mother and his father were half-Jewish, but the Loewenstein name was not, it being a family of German princes who trace themselves back to the morganatic marriage of an Elector Palatine in the fifteenth century.

    I had the honour of knowing him fairly well. We lunched two or three times a year when I was still living in London, and one of those occasions turned out to be just after the election of Pope Benedict XVI. As I entered the restaurant (always the same one) and approached him, he looked up, beamed, and declared “An event which calls for champagne wouldn’t you say?” Our candidate had been elected, and we were as happy as clams.

    Thank God he did not live to see the full dimensions of our present calamity.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Sadly, I've done some reading as of late, and Pope Benedict 16th was not the "arch-conservative" the media had labelled him as. He was simply on the "conservative" wing in terms of interpreting Vatican 2. That's a far cry from the Tridentine, anit-Vatican-2 "conservatives", who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2.

    In other words, Benedict just wanted the crash to go slower, not to avert it, theologically speaking.

    Benedict 16th is/was like a moderate/corporate Republican----just a Washington General to be dunked on by the left's Harlem Globetrotters.
  99. @Paleo Liberal
    I miss George Harrison.

    Pronouns: I, me, mine.

    I miss George Harrison.

    Pronouns: I, me, mine.

    I miss Beaker.

    Pronouns: me, me, me…

  100. @Stan Adams
    OT:

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon), I present to you an image certain to induce cold sweats in the middle of the night:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/11/22197886-7789101-image-a-307_1576235804454.jpg

    The Daily Mail sez she looks "wonderfully youthful" ... I say she looks frightfully freaky.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7789101/Hillary-Clinton-72-looks-incredibly-youthful-event-Broadway.html

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon)

    You miss the true significance of the day. Eye bleach for the troops:

    13 DEC LUCY OF SYRACUSE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzaMav3Lp4

  101. This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?

    Are you asking for the next taboo to be legitimized or for the next innocuous thing to become taboo? Because it goes both ways. The New York Giants just axed the guy who’s fourth in the NFL with interceptions for using the word retard as an insult in a tweet and not begging forgiveness when people got outraged. I haven’t seen that one before.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28290276/giants-waive-cb-janoris-jenkins-offensive-tweet-fan

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  102. @Jack D
    Loewenstein is an unusual case in that while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too - enough Jewish blood that it was wise for his family to leave Germany when the Nazis took power (although he himself was a devout Catholic).

    “while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too”

    LOL WTF do you mean by “somehow”?

    If you guys didn’t exist, it would be necessary for Messrs Shakespeare, Armin and Kemp to make you up.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    "Somehow" because people who were BOTH royalty and of Jewish origin were somewhat unusual in Europe. They were not completely unknown (starting in the 19th century esp. very rich or prominent Jews were sometimes elevated to the nobility, even without having to convert) but they weren't common either, nor were intermarriages. Royalty such as the Prince typically did not marry non-royals, even Christian ones let alone Jews.

    Also, somehow because I didn't know his precise lineage, but Old Palo Altan has enlightened us about that.

    Somehow did not refer to the process by which babies are conceived.
  103. @David
    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.

    David wrote to me:

    Tolkien would have voted to unwind the Norman conquest.

    And he would have been right.

  104. @Stan Adams
    OT:

    In honor of Friday the 13th (and the full moon), I present to you an image certain to induce cold sweats in the middle of the night:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/11/22197886-7789101-image-a-307_1576235804454.jpg

    The Daily Mail sez she looks "wonderfully youthful" ... I say she looks frightfully freaky.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7789101/Hillary-Clinton-72-looks-incredibly-youthful-event-Broadway.html

    She looks better when she remembers to put her teeth in.

  105. @Old Palo Altan
    His Jewish blood was very distinguished, including a Rothschild descent through the Baron Tedesco, who built one of the very last private palaces in Vienna in 1864. He was also closely related to Tobias Asser, Nobel Peace Prize winner, and, on that same side, Felix Mendelssohn. Both his mother and his father were half-Jewish, but the Loewenstein name was not, it being a family of German princes who trace themselves back to the morganatic marriage of an Elector Palatine in the fifteenth century.

    I had the honour of knowing him fairly well. We lunched two or three times a year when I was still living in London, and one of those occasions turned out to be just after the election of Pope Benedict XVI. As I entered the restaurant (always the same one) and approached him, he looked up, beamed, and declared "An event which calls for champagne wouldn't you say?" Our candidate had been elected, and we were as happy as clams.

    Thank God he did not live to see the full dimensions of our present calamity.

    Sadly, I’ve done some reading as of late, and Pope Benedict 16th was not the “arch-conservative” the media had labelled him as. He was simply on the “conservative” wing in terms of interpreting Vatican 2. That’s a far cry from the Tridentine, anit-Vatican-2 “conservatives”, who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2.

    In other words, Benedict just wanted the crash to go slower, not to avert it, theologically speaking.

    Benedict 16th is/was like a moderate/corporate Republican—-just a Washington General to be dunked on by the left’s Harlem Globetrotters.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "That’s a far cry from the Tridentine, anti-Vatican-2 “conservatives”, who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2."

    Since I'm one of those (except that we call ourselves "traditionalists" or, even better, "integrists", and never mere "conservatives") I am well aware of the failings of poor old Benedict which you are referring to.

    I was doing no more than describing our joy at the time, back in 2005, before the man's inadequacies were quite as evident as they have been since, say, 2006.

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.

    But, unlike Francis, he is a decent human being - but one who tragically could not rise to the level of his admittedly crushing responsibilities.

  106. @Anon
    OT: Article about how violent kids are taking over Florida classrooms:

    https://projects.sun-sentinel.com/teenage-time-bombs/how-schools-manage-violent-kids/

    "In an eight-month investigation, the South Florida Sun Sentinel found that a sweeping push for “inclusion” enables unstable children to attend regular classes even though school districts severely lack the support staff to manage them. State and federal laws guarantee those students a spot in regular classrooms until they seriously harm or maim others."

    "Violent students have injured thousands of teachers, bus drivers and staff in Broward County alone and undoubtedly thousands more across Florida, records obtained by the Sun Sentinel show."

    OT: Article about how violent kids are taking over Florida classrooms:

    Anon, this isn’t really off-topic at all. It is the same fundamental issue.

    There aren’t 31 different flavors of leftist evil destroying the West, there is one–minoritarianism.

    The bottom line here is not complicated:

    Either a nation’s people can *unapologetically* go about their business, according to their norms, values, culture, reproducing the nation physically and culturally …

    or

    its majority can be cowed by the various minoritarian whiners yelling “anti-Semitism!”, “racism!”, “sexism!”, “violating my civil rights!”, “homophobia!”, “disabled rights!”, “social justice!”, “islamophobia!”, “xenophobia!”, “profiling!”, “white privilege!”, “structural racism!”, “he didn’t do nuthing!”, “transphobia!”, “microaggression!”, “made me feel unsafe!”, “triggered!” … “he touched my hair!”

    and see their nation die.

  107. @Bill Jones
    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he's led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.


    It is time to shed the parasites.

    Maybe one day England will declare its independence from the remaining UK ruled portion of Ireland.

  108. @Anonymous
    Boris is only "right wing" if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing, which is not exactly setting the bar high. It seems to me that people care more about the right/left dialectic than they do about actual policies.

    People are not interested in the fact that Boris has called for amnesty for illegal immigrants and other un-right wing policies, all they care about is that he is the "right wing" option and Corbyn is the "left wing" option.

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing

    Right! So the Brits should have voted for Corbyn, because Boris is not a true Scotsman. Politics is the art of the possible Spanky. OTOH you could be a Soros-funded troll. Are you ignorant, stupid or evil?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    No, he's just pointing out that Johnson victory is not a victory for actual conservatives. Johnson will only dismantle traditional England a little slower than Corbyn would.
  109. @Morton's toes

    This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?
     
    Are you asking for the next taboo to be legitimized or for the next innocuous thing to become taboo? Because it goes both ways. The New York Giants just axed the guy who's fourth in the NFL with interceptions for using the word retard as an insult in a tweet and not begging forgiveness when people got outraged. I haven't seen that one before.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28290276/giants-waive-cb-janoris-jenkins-offensive-tweet-fan

    Thanks.

  110. @Bill Jones
    I agree.
    One of the unheralded bennies of Johnson is that he's led to an overwhelming majority for the SNP.

    They will have a second referendum on independence.

    If God is good, old Boris may see the back of both Brussels and Edinburgh.

    England moves closer to independence,

    Many moons ago I saw a study on Govt expenditure per thousand pounds paid in taxes.
    It was something like

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.


    It is time to shed the parasites.

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.
    It is time to shed the parasites.

    Bill, these figures aren’t very impressive–very skewed–at all.

    It’s < 50% bump going from the core, to the tiniest most spendy periphery. And given that England is far richer and NI quite a bit poorer this actually just looks like pretty equal spending per capita. Just modest subsidy from the big engine to the various cabooses.

    Based on this–not saying your figures are accurate–the Scots would lose little cutting themselves loose.

    If you want to see what real subsidy looks like you should check out the Canadians:
    https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E

    Alberta, Ontario, B.C. pay the bills, Quebec gets a modest subsidy and the maritimes are flat out on the dole. Prince Edward Island is not going to be declaring independence anytime soon.

    ~~~

    There are definite costs–direct nation state costs, and economic opportunity costs–associated with being a separate nation, which is why an ideology of "nationalism" is inherently a self-stabilizing ideology. It's not like one of those fractal patterns where you drill down and down and down forever. (For example, give where the US is headed under minoritarianism i'd like to leave and form the ADR–Another Dad's Republic. But i can't make it on my own. I want job opportunities and spouses for my children … and i don't want to go through passport control when i head over to the Super Walmart for my groceries. So realistically i need at least say 10 million other productive and sane–i.e. anti-minoritarian–Americans to leave with me.)

    Finance matters–and obviously affects who people feel, and will vote–but the core of the national question is not finance, it's simply what nation do people really *feel* they belong to, are loyal to.

    The Scots have sufficient mass. If Scots feel they are fundamentally "Scots" and not "Britons" then they should leave and have their own nation. If not, not. I'm not a Scot, so not my question to answer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    There are definite costs–direct nation state costs, and economic opportunity costs–associated with being a separate nation, which is why an ideology of "nationalism" is inherently a self-stabilizing ideology. It's not like one of those fractal patterns where you drill down and down and down forever. (For example, give where the US is headed under minoritarianism i'd like to leave and form the ADR–Another Dad's Republic. But i can't make it on my own. I want job opportunities and spouses for my children … and i don't want to go through passport control when i head over to the Super Walmart for my groceries. So realistically i need at least say 10 million other productive and sane–i.e. anti-minoritarian–Americans to leave with me.)
     
    Several possible schemes along the order of what you see as necessary have been proposed.

    As you say, Quebec gets a modest subsidy, but they could unquestionably make it without it and when the rest of Canada gets fed up enough with Bilingualism and all it entails, and Quebec prefers being French to being prosperous, they will both be ready to go and the ROC will be ready to let, nay, encourage them.

    The Western provinces are not much fonder of Ottawa than they are of Quebec and in a general North American realignment they might want to separate.

    The United States is coming apart, but not in the near future: nonetheless when it does the Pacific Northwest, Latin Florida and/or Key West, the core Southeast, and various permutations of the Southwest could, or even have, fomented various notions of independence. Where the Plains states and the Rust Belt will align with, and just where the dividing lines will be, and-the big question-who gets the nukes will all be critical matters.

    The 48 state CONUS will be inviolate for somewhere between a generation and a long generation, then absolutely certainly it will go bust. Those of us of a certain age are not going to see it, except as probable late octogenarians to centenarians and it will be too late to enjoy it much. But the key planning if began now could yield impressive results-shadow governments are not illegal, as long as they have a whiff of religiosity (see crank fundie preachers in Denver and Alabama now) or humor (the Conch Republic in Key West). It seems to me that's how a certain country was divided into regions administratively right under everyone's nose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauleiter

    I agreed with the late Harold Covington on some things and disagreed on others but there's no question that he was a better-than-pretty-good novelist who used the medium to lay out his political and philosophical visions in a fashion second only to the late Alyssa Rosenbaum (he admitted to me he was fully aware that 'the old K****s was better'). I think that although he had his faults, his case for the Pacific NW breaking off and where the lines would be remains quite sound. It has coastline, the right climate, plenty of rural woods to act as a habitat for guerrilla action if it comes to that, and even now it has a more homogenous population than most other places in the CONUS.
  111. @AnotherDad

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.
     
    Jack, i don't know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles--my career was in tech and there wasn't a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like "Becky will now demostrate ..."--but i think there's been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like "mizz". Rub that z in your face to show you weren't some "Miss" but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard--i think both because of the abbreviation and young women's own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of "misz".

    I could be completely wrong about this. I'm not an auditory guy--mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.

    i think there’s been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like “mizz”. Rub that z in your face to show you weren’t some “Miss” but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard–i think both because of the abbreviation and young women’s own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of “misz”

    I agree with this, and would suggest a secondary possible influence on the “mizz” pronunciation”: People not at all happy with the re-engineering of the language at the time who used the strongly distinct pronunciation ironically.

    When presented with the possibility that the two are different, people will understandably tend to differentiate them, or want to for logical coherence.But when “Ms.” became hegemonic (how often has “Miss Smith” even come up in the 2010s?), the pronunciation tended to slide back to “miss” (or close to it).

    There is something that sounds defiant about “mizz” (in most N.American accents), reminiscent of the attitude on show on Bill Ayers’ face in his smirking prison photograph ca. 1969; one such 1980s-era use cited above by commenter Dtbb.

    And as the Weathermen moved from fringe radicals (1970s) to celebrated insiders and mentors to a president (arguably by the 1990s; certainly by the 2000s), so too did “Ms.” move to the center, as it were. Or so is my impression.

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    No, I have that album in storage somewhere. It was disappointing, not up to their earlier ones, but somehow that one song has stuck in the brain.

    Actually, I read everybody's comments, but visit nobody's Web site. Even in retirement, one's days are too short.

    Admit it, we just think alike.

    Admit it, we just think alike.

    Now that hurts!

    ;-}

  113. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "while he was descended from Bavarian royalty, somehow there was Jewish blood in the family too"

    LOL WTF do you mean by "somehow"?

    If you guys didn't exist, it would be necessary for Messrs Shakespeare, Armin and Kemp to make you up.

    “Somehow” because people who were BOTH royalty and of Jewish origin were somewhat unusual in Europe. They were not completely unknown (starting in the 19th century esp. very rich or prominent Jews were sometimes elevated to the nobility, even without having to convert) but they weren’t common either, nor were intermarriages. Royalty such as the Prince typically did not marry non-royals, even Christian ones let alone Jews.

    Also, somehow because I didn’t know his precise lineage, but Old Palo Altan has enlightened us about that.

    Somehow did not refer to the process by which babies are conceived.

  114. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Northern Ireland 1,359
    Wales 1,200
    Scotland 1,100
    England 850.
    It is time to shed the parasites.
     
    Bill, these figures aren't very impressive--very skewed--at all.

    It's < 50% bump going from the core, to the tiniest most spendy periphery. And given that England is far richer and NI quite a bit poorer this actually just looks like pretty equal spending per capita. Just modest subsidy from the big engine to the various cabooses.

    Based on this--not saying your figures are accurate--the Scots would lose little cutting themselves loose.

    If you want to see what real subsidy looks like you should check out the Canadians:
    https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E

    Alberta, Ontario, B.C. pay the bills, Quebec gets a modest subsidy and the maritimes are flat out on the dole. Prince Edward Island is not going to be declaring independence anytime soon.

    ~~~

    There are definite costs--direct nation state costs, and economic opportunity costs--associated with being a separate nation, which is why an ideology of "nationalism" is inherently a self-stabilizing ideology. It's not like one of those fractal patterns where you drill down and down and down forever. (For example, give where the US is headed under minoritarianism i'd like to leave and form the ADR--Another Dad's Republic. But i can't make it on my own. I want job opportunities and spouses for my children ... and i don't want to go through passport control when i head over to the Super Walmart for my groceries. So realistically i need at least say 10 million other productive and sane--i.e. anti-minoritarian--Americans to leave with me.)

    Finance matters--and obviously affects who people feel, and will vote--but the core of the national question is not finance, it's simply what nation do people really *feel* they belong to, are loyal to.

    The Scots have sufficient mass. If Scots feel they are fundamentally "Scots" and not "Britons" then they should leave and have their own nation. If not, not. I'm not a Scot, so not my question to answer.

    There are definite costs–direct nation state costs, and economic opportunity costs–associated with being a separate nation, which is why an ideology of “nationalism” is inherently a self-stabilizing ideology. It’s not like one of those fractal patterns where you drill down and down and down forever. (For example, give where the US is headed under minoritarianism i’d like to leave and form the ADR–Another Dad’s Republic. But i can’t make it on my own. I want job opportunities and spouses for my children … and i don’t want to go through passport control when i head over to the Super Walmart for my groceries. So realistically i need at least say 10 million other productive and sane–i.e. anti-minoritarian–Americans to leave with me.)

    Several possible schemes along the order of what you see as necessary have been proposed.

    As you say, Quebec gets a modest subsidy, but they could unquestionably make it without it and when the rest of Canada gets fed up enough with Bilingualism and all it entails, and Quebec prefers being French to being prosperous, they will both be ready to go and the ROC will be ready to let, nay, encourage them.

    The Western provinces are not much fonder of Ottawa than they are of Quebec and in a general North American realignment they might want to separate.

    The United States is coming apart, but not in the near future: nonetheless when it does the Pacific Northwest, Latin Florida and/or Key West, the core Southeast, and various permutations of the Southwest could, or even have, fomented various notions of independence. Where the Plains states and the Rust Belt will align with, and just where the dividing lines will be, and-the big question-who gets the nukes will all be critical matters.

    The 48 state CONUS will be inviolate for somewhere between a generation and a long generation, then absolutely certainly it will go bust. Those of us of a certain age are not going to see it, except as probable late octogenarians to centenarians and it will be too late to enjoy it much. But the key planning if began now could yield impressive results-shadow governments are not illegal, as long as they have a whiff of religiosity (see crank fundie preachers in Denver and Alabama now) or humor (the Conch Republic in Key West). It seems to me that’s how a certain country was divided into regions administratively right under everyone’s nose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauleiter

    I agreed with the late Harold Covington on some things and disagreed on others but there’s no question that he was a better-than-pretty-good novelist who used the medium to lay out his political and philosophical visions in a fashion second only to the late Alyssa Rosenbaum (he admitted to me he was fully aware that ‘the old K****s was better’). I think that although he had his faults, his case for the Pacific NW breaking off and where the lines would be remains quite sound. It has coastline, the right climate, plenty of rural woods to act as a habitat for guerrilla action if it comes to that, and even now it has a more homogenous population than most other places in the CONUS.

  115. @Jack D
    Mao understood that the Revolution had to be continuous or it would lose momentum - a Revolution is like a shark, which must swim forward or it will die. So World War T had to follow World War G or the LBGTXYZ wing of the Party would atrophy. If gay people are just normal (mostly white) people then they have normal white people concerns like whether their lives are in danger due to crime (gays are often pioneers of gentrification) and whether their jobs are in danger due to government policies, etc. They had gotten everything they asked for so they had no reason to stay with the Coalition of the Fringes anymore. You need some issue to keep them on the reservation and keep the "activists" employed.

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it? This lends itself to jokes concerning child molestation, bestiality, etc. but seriously, what is it?

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it?

    Steve is on record predicting it will be polygamy — specifically, polygamy by diversity-immigrants, especially Black Africans.

    Then there was the story of a racially ambiguous woman with four white , live-in ‘husbands’ that surfaced a few weeks ago, which, looking back from the mid 2020s or so, could possibly be identifiable as an opening salvo (but not if it remains in the Sun-type tabloid ghetto). As you say, it’s about the time.

    She is pregnant, expecting in Feb. 2020, and the five of them plan to raise the baby together. The story sounds like an elaborate troll job, and maybe it is (as was the case in late 2015 or so when international media reported that a Berlin gay couple, grinning pictures included, was hosting fifteen young male refugees to do their part for the cause), but in any case the polyandry case was reported by the Sun (UK), Dec. 5.

    In case any reading this missed it:

    Mum-to-be, 20, in a polyamorous relationship will raise baby girl with four dads

    Tory Ojeda lives with three of her partners in Jacksonville, Florida, and is seven-months pregnant with her first child which will brought up by all her lovers

    “But as far as I guess, socially goes, we’re all raising the baby together, so everyone’s dad.

    “We’re all very, very excited to be raising a baby together.”

    They all have their own bedrooms but her partners “swap in and out” of her bed each night, making sure each of them gets an “equal turn” in spending the night with Tory.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Four necks that can only manage two beards between 'em.

    I'm sure their parents must be very proud.....................of something, other than their children.
    , @El Dato
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmxCbjaO2o
  116. @AnotherDad

    Maybe the way you speak. When I say it, Ms. is pronounced miz and Miss is pronounced miss.
     
    Jack, i don't know if you notice this in Philadelphia or your more elite legal circles--my career was in tech and there wasn't a lot of either usage as a typical, even business intro was like "Becky will now demostrate ..."--but i think there's been a subtle change in pronounciation.

    When Ms. was revived circa 1972 it was more like "mizz". Rub that z in your face to show you weren't some "Miss" but an empowered woman marital status unknown. But as it became standard--i think both because of the abbreviation and young women's own desires the pronounciation became more of a composite with Miss. Sort of "misz".

    I could be completely wrong about this. I'm not an auditory guy--mediocre hearing; my strong suit much more in the visual.

    I remember the adoption of Ms. (pronounced “Miz”) vs. the old fashioned “Miss”. There was even a magazine with the title Ms. Magazine. It wasn’t just an organic sound-shift; it was very much a femin0-political statement.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Ms." was very convenient in the business world when I entered it in 1982: I didn't have to pay attention to the marital status of all sorts of women living in different cities that I had to send business letters to. They were now all just Ms.
  117. @Hail

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it?
     
    Steve is on record predicting it will be polygamy -- specifically, polygamy by diversity-immigrants, especially Black Africans.

    Then there was the story of a racially ambiguous woman with four white , live-in 'husbands' that surfaced a few weeks ago, which, looking back from the mid 2020s or so, could possibly be identifiable as an opening salvo (but not if it remains in the Sun-type tabloid ghetto). As you say, it's about the time.

    She is pregnant, expecting in Feb. 2020, and the five of them plan to raise the baby together. The story sounds like an elaborate troll job, and maybe it is (as was the case in late 2015 or so when international media reported that a Berlin gay couple, grinning pictures included, was hosting fifteen young male refugees to do their part for the cause), but in any case the polyandry case was reported by the Sun (UK), Dec. 5.

    In case any reading this missed it:

    Mum-to-be, 20, in a polyamorous relationship will raise baby girl with four dads

    Tory Ojeda lives with three of her partners in Jacksonville, Florida, and is seven-months pregnant with her first child which will brought up by all her lovers
     

    “But as far as I guess, socially goes, we're all raising the baby together, so everyone's dad.

    “We’re all very, very excited to be raising a baby together.”
     

    They all have their own bedrooms but her partners “swap in and out” of her bed each night, making sure each of them gets an “equal turn” in spending the night with Tory.
     
    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21031914.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Im-Dating-4-Guys-And-Now-Im-Pregnant.jpg

    Four necks that can only manage two beards between ’em.

    I’m sure their parents must be very proud…………………of something, other than their children.

    • Agree: Hail
  118. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Boris is only “right wing” if you consider anything to the right of Corbyn to be right wing
     
    Right! So the Brits should have voted for Corbyn, because Boris is not a true Scotsman. Politics is the art of the possible Spanky. OTOH you could be a Soros-funded troll. Are you ignorant, stupid or evil?

    No, he’s just pointing out that Johnson victory is not a victory for actual conservatives. Johnson will only dismantle traditional England a little slower than Corbyn would.

  119. @(((They))) Live
    Reg did you see Gideon on ITV last night, he used a strange phrase, he talked about an Irish confederation, which is more or less what we will have after Brexit, Northern Ireland is now no longer part of the UK, and your question as to who is going to pay for it, well it looks like the English tax payer will foot the bill, the more I think about this the funnier it gets

    I mean if you’re not going to bother being Protestant what’s the bloody point then?

  120. @Lot
    “And they both reveal a pathetic weakness”

    Even mild prejudice against someone because of their race is considered even on the mainstream right to be a sin akin to violent crime and child molestation.

    I agree that this is irrational. But changing it is nearly impossible, while exploiting it against the left seems to actually work. Politics isn’t a good place to practice a scrupulous intellectual honesty.

    In conclusion, “Dems are the real racist and Lincoln was a Republican” are dumb arguments that I am resigned to accept as useful.

    But they’re not (useful). This has already been hashed out among people more adept in these matters than we are. Such tactics make us look (accurately) weak.

    changing it is nearly impossible

    We don’t need to change it. The entire edifice is already collapsing under its own preposterous weight. The important thing is to live the viable alternative.

    BoJo won and won big for one reason above all others, and it is similar to why Trump won:

    Because he is comfortable enough with his own manhood that he doesn’t need to constantly denigrate others to prop it up, including making shit up out of whole cloth when necessary. Let the SJWs tilt at their windmills. Concern yourself with the real and true.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1205595469952569346
  121. @Desiderius
    But they're not (useful). This has already been hashed out among people more adept in these matters than we are. Such tactics make us look (accurately) weak.

    changing it is nearly impossible
     
    We don't need to change it. The entire edifice is already collapsing under its own preposterous weight. The important thing is to live the viable alternative.

    BoJo won and won big for one reason above all others, and it is similar to why Trump won:

    Because he is comfortable enough with his own manhood that he doesn't need to constantly denigrate others to prop it up, including making shit up out of whole cloth when necessary. Let the SJWs tilt at their windmills. Concern yourself with the real and true.

  122. @Dumbo
    How could Britain, home of the "empire where the sun never sets", rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years? I'm seriously considering that the English may not even exist as a recognizable people in another 150 years.

    How could Britain, home of the “empire where the sun never sets”, rulers of the world, fall so low in 150 years?

    Given time, empires, like plumbing, will back up.

  123. @Mr. Anon
    I remember the adoption of Ms. (pronounced "Miz") vs. the old fashioned "Miss". There was even a magazine with the title Ms. Magazine. It wasn't just an organic sound-shift; it was very much a femin0-political statement.

    “Ms.” was very convenient in the business world when I entered it in 1982: I didn’t have to pay attention to the marital status of all sorts of women living in different cities that I had to send business letters to. They were now all just Ms.

  124. @J.Ross
    The terrorist organization Antifa is taking the liquidation of comrade Corbyn in stride, with maturity, and a reflective concern for what the left might have done differently. Just kidding, of course, they're rioting.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bD1Ais23ek

    I thin the “f a” in Antifa should stand for First Amendment, as what Antifa seems most opposed to is the right of people they disagree with to express themselves or peaceably assemble.

  125. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of, and only works in milieu in which everybody knows, or at least knows about, everybody else.

    In business correspondence, I usually neither know nor care whether the person I’m addressing is married. Hell, it’s hard enough — given the current naming system — to figure out whether they are male or female.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Possibly relatedly, I've noticed that the top few google-suggestions for any moderately well-known female generally include "[woman's name] husband," or "[woman's name] family," or "[woman's name] children," or some other close variant on this theme. These are the things people are searching for most about them.

    One can try this for any woman. Take a locally minorly important figure in your area, say an elected official, and try it. For all their years of education, degrees, work experience, money earned, corporate ladders metaphorically climbed, google-suggestions tells us that no one cares: They just want to know if she's married, and to whom, and whether she has kids.

    (Glancing at the Unz front page and doing this for the first two women I saw, Ayanna Pressley and Lauren Robel, I see that despite all their accomplishments, the number two search for both is 'husband.')

    (These kinds of search suggestions can also come up for men, but do so much less often.)

    In other words, we (society) really have an instinctual need to know. The Mrs. vs. Miss system of the past was filling an important role, in its time, even if imperfectly.

    , @R.G. Camara

    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of,
     
    Like many things manhaters complain about, it was an intra-female rivalry that was driving it, and yet it was blamed on men. Married women were proud of being married and wanted to advertise it, and younger women wanted to be married, and social circles (run by women) had distinctions of who to invite and where to seat people based on whether you were married or single.

    So feminazis pushed for the "Ms." title, to tamper down on both marriage-pride and marriage-privilege in women. But men got blamed somehow.

    As others have stated, men never really kept tabs once they themselves were married (which happened young), so Ms. was easier for them.
  126. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    When was the crossover between when writing ‘Ms.’ was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard?

    The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.

    This jibes with my recollection of the 80s, which encompassed my late-teen through late-twenties. I used Ms. during college and beyond in the early-80s+ and never thought it rebellious – it was exciting, a signal I was an adult. Miss was for kids and Mrs. was for my mom and other old married ladies.

    Titles never come into play except when filling out forms or formal correspondence. The only time I ever address someone as Mrs./Ms. is after I had children and we’d discuss Mrs./Ms. X, the teacher, or Mrs. Y, someone’s mom. I don’t think I’ll be adopting Mx. though – the whole trans-woman thing infuriates me. On the other hand, google tells me “muks” is an acceptable pronunciation of Mx. That is sufficiently ugly I think I will use it after all, but only for the trans ladies.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I remember a funny piece in the New Yorker long ago, maybe by Robert Benchley, where the husband can't remember any of his wife's friends names, so he just refers to them all as "Muggs."

    My mother had a friend nicknamed Muggs.
    , @Lot
    “ The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.”

    That was on the late side.

    For the reason Steve mentions, in business correspondence it took off circa 76-78.

    I’d say the rule by 1978 was if you know a woman prefers Miss/Mrs. you use that, but otherwise Ms. for everyone else.
  127. @Hail

    But they will absolutely not call you “Miss”.
     
    Good point. When and why was 'Miss' purged?

    Some would say 'Ms.' is close enough (and, conveniently, there is no distinction in the spoken forms between Ms. Smith and Miss Smith).

    When was the crossover between when writing 'Ms.' was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard? When did the thugs appear and drag out 'Miss,' to a fate unknown, never to be seen (in written form) again?

    I started a corporate job in November 1982. Every single business letter I wrote addressed to a woman was addressed to Ms., never to a Miss or a Mrs. I never had got any complaints or requests to use Miss or Mrs. So, the old forms were dead and gone by late 1982. I can recall noting how much simpler it made business correspondence.

    So the late 1970s to the early 2010s will go down as the Golden Age of Convenience in Business Correspondence. You only had to remember whether the person you were writing to was a man or a woman.

  128. @AnonAnon

    When was the crossover between when writing ‘Ms.’ was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard?
     
    The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.

    This jibes with my recollection of the 80s, which encompassed my late-teen through late-twenties. I used Ms. during college and beyond in the early-80s+ and never thought it rebellious - it was exciting, a signal I was an adult. Miss was for kids and Mrs. was for my mom and other old married ladies.

    Titles never come into play except when filling out forms or formal correspondence. The only time I ever address someone as Mrs./Ms. is after I had children and we'd discuss Mrs./Ms. X, the teacher, or Mrs. Y, someone's mom. I don't think I'll be adopting Mx. though - the whole trans-woman thing infuriates me. On the other hand, google tells me "muks" is an acceptable pronunciation of Mx. That is sufficiently ugly I think I will use it after all, but only for the trans ladies.

    I remember a funny piece in the New Yorker long ago, maybe by Robert Benchley, where the husband can’t remember any of his wife’s friends names, so he just refers to them all as “Muggs.”

    My mother had a friend nicknamed Muggs.

  129. @Hail

    Naturally it follows that once World War T is won (as it appears to have been), you need another issue. What is it?
     
    Steve is on record predicting it will be polygamy -- specifically, polygamy by diversity-immigrants, especially Black Africans.

    Then there was the story of a racially ambiguous woman with four white , live-in 'husbands' that surfaced a few weeks ago, which, looking back from the mid 2020s or so, could possibly be identifiable as an opening salvo (but not if it remains in the Sun-type tabloid ghetto). As you say, it's about the time.

    She is pregnant, expecting in Feb. 2020, and the five of them plan to raise the baby together. The story sounds like an elaborate troll job, and maybe it is (as was the case in late 2015 or so when international media reported that a Berlin gay couple, grinning pictures included, was hosting fifteen young male refugees to do their part for the cause), but in any case the polyandry case was reported by the Sun (UK), Dec. 5.

    In case any reading this missed it:

    Mum-to-be, 20, in a polyamorous relationship will raise baby girl with four dads

    Tory Ojeda lives with three of her partners in Jacksonville, Florida, and is seven-months pregnant with her first child which will brought up by all her lovers
     

    “But as far as I guess, socially goes, we're all raising the baby together, so everyone's dad.

    “We’re all very, very excited to be raising a baby together.”
     

    They all have their own bedrooms but her partners “swap in and out” of her bed each night, making sure each of them gets an “equal turn” in spending the night with Tory.
     
    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21031914.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Im-Dating-4-Guys-And-Now-Im-Pregnant.jpg

  130. @black sea
    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of, and only works in milieu in which everybody knows, or at least knows about, everybody else.

    In business correspondence, I usually neither know nor care whether the person I'm addressing is married. Hell, it's hard enough -- given the current naming system -- to figure out whether they are male or female.

    Possibly relatedly, I’ve noticed that the top few google-suggestions for any moderately well-known female generally include “[woman’s name] husband,” or “[woman’s name] family,” or “[woman’s name] children,” or some other close variant on this theme. These are the things people are searching for most about them.

    One can try this for any woman. Take a locally minorly important figure in your area, say an elected official, and try it. For all their years of education, degrees, work experience, money earned, corporate ladders metaphorically climbed, google-suggestions tells us that no one cares: They just want to know if she’s married, and to whom, and whether she has kids.

    (Glancing at the Unz front page and doing this for the first two women I saw, Ayanna Pressley and Lauren Robel, I see that despite all their accomplishments, the number two search for both is ‘husband.’)

    (These kinds of search suggestions can also come up for men, but do so much less often.)

    In other words, we (society) really have an instinctual need to know. The Mrs. vs. Miss system of the past was filling an important role, in its time, even if imperfectly.

  131. Keir Hardie, the founder of the Labour Party, had some interesting views of immigration:

    Keir Hardie, in his evidence to the 1899 House of Commons Select Committee on emigration and immigration, argued that the Scots resented immigrants greatly and that they would want a total immigration ban. When it was pointed out to him that more people left Scotland than entered it, he replied, “It would be much better for Scotland if those 1,500 were compelled to remain there and let the foreigners be kept out… Dr Johnson said God made Scotland for Scotchmen, and I would keep it so.” According to Hardie, the Lithuanian migrant workers in the mining industry had “filthy habits”, they lived off “garlic and oil”, and they were carriers of “the Black Death”.[24]

    The source is wikipedia, so make of it what you will….

  132. @AnonAnon

    When was the crossover between when writing ‘Ms.’ was a bold statement of safe-rebellion and when it became the standard?
     
    The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.

    This jibes with my recollection of the 80s, which encompassed my late-teen through late-twenties. I used Ms. during college and beyond in the early-80s+ and never thought it rebellious - it was exciting, a signal I was an adult. Miss was for kids and Mrs. was for my mom and other old married ladies.

    Titles never come into play except when filling out forms or formal correspondence. The only time I ever address someone as Mrs./Ms. is after I had children and we'd discuss Mrs./Ms. X, the teacher, or Mrs. Y, someone's mom. I don't think I'll be adopting Mx. though - the whole trans-woman thing infuriates me. On the other hand, google tells me "muks" is an acceptable pronunciation of Mx. That is sufficiently ugly I think I will use it after all, but only for the trans ladies.

    “ The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.”

    That was on the late side.

    For the reason Steve mentions, in business correspondence it took off circa 76-78.

    I’d say the rule by 1978 was if you know a woman prefers Miss/Mrs. you use that, but otherwise Ms. for everyone else.

    • Replies: @black sea
    I do remember that as a child in the early 1970's, I'd receive cards, invitations, and thank-you notes addressed to "Master" Black Sea.

    I don't guess that would fly now.
  133. @Lot
    “ The NY Times officially changed to using Ms. as their standard in 1986.”

    That was on the late side.

    For the reason Steve mentions, in business correspondence it took off circa 76-78.

    I’d say the rule by 1978 was if you know a woman prefers Miss/Mrs. you use that, but otherwise Ms. for everyone else.

    I do remember that as a child in the early 1970’s, I’d receive cards, invitations, and thank-you notes addressed to “Master” Black Sea.

    I don’t guess that would fly now.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Me too, but only from my grandmother.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Remember the old 1960s sitcom I Dream of Jeannie? The setup was a military guy (Larry Hagman) had found a female genie (Barbara Eden) in a bottle and pretended to everyone she was just a normal person. Hijinks ensued.

    Anyway, on the show she always called him "Master", which made sense because she was a genie. Years later, as PC crept in, they did a reunion documentary on the show, and asked him about the "issues" in having her call him "Master" all the time.

    The roguish Hagman retorted something along the lines about how it was a great thing and how most men wish women would call them that.

    Even as a programmed youth I laughed. Totally true.
  134. @R.G. Camara
    Sadly, I've done some reading as of late, and Pope Benedict 16th was not the "arch-conservative" the media had labelled him as. He was simply on the "conservative" wing in terms of interpreting Vatican 2. That's a far cry from the Tridentine, anit-Vatican-2 "conservatives", who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2.

    In other words, Benedict just wanted the crash to go slower, not to avert it, theologically speaking.

    Benedict 16th is/was like a moderate/corporate Republican----just a Washington General to be dunked on by the left's Harlem Globetrotters.

    “That’s a far cry from the Tridentine, anti-Vatican-2 “conservatives”, who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2.”

    Since I’m one of those (except that we call ourselves “traditionalists” or, even better, “integrists”, and never mere “conservatives”) I am well aware of the failings of poor old Benedict which you are referring to.

    I was doing no more than describing our joy at the time, back in 2005, before the man’s inadequacies were quite as evident as they have been since, say, 2006.

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.

    But, unlike Francis, he is a decent human being – but one who tragically could not rise to the level of his admittedly crushing responsibilities.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.
     
    If you really were a traditionalist or integrist, you wouldn't say something like that. The Church is eternal, per the promise of Jesus Christ himself----"the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."

    The Church has survived a lot in 2000 years. A lot of it worse--- the collapse of Rome, the Dark Ages, the Muslim invasions, plagues, earthquakes, the pornocracy, the Crusader losses, the Borgias, the Protestant Heresy, the Enlightenment, 300 years of Freemason plots, Communism, and so on.

    It will survive Francis and Vatican 2.

  135. @Bardon Kaldian
    Good grief, only Germans can come up with such long names.... Rupert Louis Ferdinand Frederick Constantine Lofredo Leopold Herbert Maximilian Hubert John Henry zu Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg, Count of Loewenstein-Scharffeneck

    Exhilarating, isn’t it?

  136. @black sea
    I do remember that as a child in the early 1970's, I'd receive cards, invitations, and thank-you notes addressed to "Master" Black Sea.

    I don't guess that would fly now.

    Me too, but only from my grandmother.

  137. @black sea
    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of, and only works in milieu in which everybody knows, or at least knows about, everybody else.

    In business correspondence, I usually neither know nor care whether the person I'm addressing is married. Hell, it's hard enough -- given the current naming system -- to figure out whether they are male or female.

    One reason Ms. was so readily adopted is that the Miss/Mrs. distinction is a pain in the ass to keep track of,

    Like many things manhaters complain about, it was an intra-female rivalry that was driving it, and yet it was blamed on men. Married women were proud of being married and wanted to advertise it, and younger women wanted to be married, and social circles (run by women) had distinctions of who to invite and where to seat people based on whether you were married or single.

    So feminazis pushed for the “Ms.” title, to tamper down on both marriage-pride and marriage-privilege in women. But men got blamed somehow.

    As others have stated, men never really kept tabs once they themselves were married (which happened young), so Ms. was easier for them.

  138. @Anon
    The clothes and jewelry are because these women when through their impressionistic years in the 1960s and 70s, when clothing was loud, hippie, and stupid. They've never gotten over the idea that dressing like a gypsy is 'normal and cool.'

    Well spotted (as they say in Scotland).

    Theresa May did it too, particularly where the chunky jewellery is concerned.

    Hideous, but ludicrous too.

  139. @black sea
    I do remember that as a child in the early 1970's, I'd receive cards, invitations, and thank-you notes addressed to "Master" Black Sea.

    I don't guess that would fly now.

    Remember the old 1960s sitcom I Dream of Jeannie? The setup was a military guy (Larry Hagman) had found a female genie (Barbara Eden) in a bottle and pretended to everyone she was just a normal person. Hijinks ensued.

    Anyway, on the show she always called him “Master”, which made sense because she was a genie. Years later, as PC crept in, they did a reunion documentary on the show, and asked him about the “issues” in having her call him “Master” all the time.

    The roguish Hagman retorted something along the lines about how it was a great thing and how most men wish women would call them that.

    Even as a programmed youth I laughed. Totally true.

  140. @Old Palo Altan
    "That’s a far cry from the Tridentine, anti-Vatican-2 “conservatives”, who rejected almost all of the heretical and deceitful ambiguous pronouncements of Vatican 2."

    Since I'm one of those (except that we call ourselves "traditionalists" or, even better, "integrists", and never mere "conservatives") I am well aware of the failings of poor old Benedict which you are referring to.

    I was doing no more than describing our joy at the time, back in 2005, before the man's inadequacies were quite as evident as they have been since, say, 2006.

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.

    But, unlike Francis, he is a decent human being - but one who tragically could not rise to the level of his admittedly crushing responsibilities.

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.

    If you really were a traditionalist or integrist, you wouldn’t say something like that. The Church is eternal, per the promise of Jesus Christ himself—-“the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.”

    The Church has survived a lot in 2000 years. A lot of it worse— the collapse of Rome, the Dark Ages, the Muslim invasions, plagues, earthquakes, the pornocracy, the Crusader losses, the Borgias, the Protestant Heresy, the Enlightenment, 300 years of Freemason plots, Communism, and so on.

    It will survive Francis and Vatican 2.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    The institution that historians notice, called the Church of Rome, is in the process of disappearing.

    The sacramental reality which is the Mystical Body of Christ is as triumphantly alive as it ever was, and will vault beyond the end of time itself with nary a backward glance.

    "be of good cheer; I have overcome the world".
  141. @R.G. Camara

    History may one day blame him even more than Francis for the collapse of the oldest institution in the West.
     
    If you really were a traditionalist or integrist, you wouldn't say something like that. The Church is eternal, per the promise of Jesus Christ himself----"the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."

    The Church has survived a lot in 2000 years. A lot of it worse--- the collapse of Rome, the Dark Ages, the Muslim invasions, plagues, earthquakes, the pornocracy, the Crusader losses, the Borgias, the Protestant Heresy, the Enlightenment, 300 years of Freemason plots, Communism, and so on.

    It will survive Francis and Vatican 2.

    The institution that historians notice, called the Church of Rome, is in the process of disappearing.

    The sacramental reality which is the Mystical Body of Christ is as triumphantly alive as it ever was, and will vault beyond the end of time itself with nary a backward glance.

    “be of good cheer; I have overcome the world”.

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