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From the Washington Post:

How to fight Trump’s plan to whiten our immigration system
By Jennifer Rubin January 26

Right Turn Opinion

… The proposal not only includes an eye-popping $25 billion for a wall and other security measures (Isn’t Mexico supposed to foot the bill?), but it ends immigration by family reunification — the ability for those who have become citizens to get green cards for parents, siblings and adult children. (Spouses and minor children could still be granted green cards.) And if that wasn’t enough, the proposal seeks to end the “lottery visa” — the process by which 50,000 immigrants from countries Trump would disparage (i.e. not European) are able to come to the United States. With the cancellation of that program, we get one step closer to Trump’s view of an America that looks like Norway.

… However, the main thrust of this bill is, in fact, to cut and reshape legal immigration. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and Democrats should resist the invitation to use dreamers to leverage a deal that “whitens” our immigration system.

 
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  1. Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @jimmyriddle

    The greatest poet was probably Ogden Nash. Who can ever forget those immortal words - "Hippity hoppity, here come the Wapiti".

    Or the best poet may have been Everett Dirksen - "A billion, here, a billion there. And it soon adds up to real money".

    , @Wilkey
    @jimmyriddle

    Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    Or 8 years worth of foreign aid to Israel.

    Or approximately the cost of two brand spanking new aircraft carriers (~$12.8 billion each) - 140 fighter aircraft not included. The cost of building and maintaining a wall would probably equal, at most, the cost of two carrier strike groups. Throw in other essential aspects of border security (e.g., eVerify, a visa entry/exit tracking system, etc.) and you're perhaps up to a cost equivalent to three carrier strike groups. How many carrier strike groups does our Navy currently have? Eleven.

    IOW, securing our borders, which is, after all, the fundamental job of a nation's self-defense, would cost roughly one-fourth of what we're currently spending on the US Navy - a perfectly conceivable and manageable expense.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

  2. The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn’t even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Tyrion 2

    We both know journalists would never live in a neighborhood where diversity lottery recipients would be their neighbors.

    , @Cindy
    @Tyrion 2

    "Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?"

    Naw, honey. This is how they wish to pick *your* future neighbors.

    Replies: @Penguinchip

    , @Pat Boyle
    @Tyrion 2

    In my etymological research I have recently discovered the source of the now common term - "Bat Shit Crazy". It was coined to describe the workings of the "lottery visa".

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Tyrion 2

    "These journalists wouldn’t even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?"

    No, this is how they pick YOUR future neighbors. They will safely ensconce themselves behind big beautiful walls defended by heavily armed guards.

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Tyrion 2

    How about a reverse visa lottery where everyone with a green card has to enter a lottery and we draw 50,000 who have to go back to their countries?

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

  3. How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don’t think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    • Replies: @Philethenes
    @Stephen Marle

    That would be true if toilet seats were $10,000,000 a pop which they are not, For comparison Bush in 2006 built 970km(600 miles) worth of 10ft razor wire fence for $2.8 million per mile which in total was $1.68 billion in total cost for roughly one third of the total border (1954 miles). Don't forget that a good portion of the border already has walls through urbanised areas such as El Paso etc and the fact that the Rio Grande acts as a good natural barrier further shortens the required distance needed.

    The Isrealis' built a quite effective double fence along the gaza strip that reduced illegal crossings by 99% since 1994 for $2 million per mile, Trumps proposed concrete-fence hybrid is estimated to cost $3.5 million per mile- therefore taking this and a conservative figure for length needed to be built to be 1954 miles - we a get figure of $6.839 Billion - Therefore a $25 billion figure for private land that has to be brought, costs inefficiency etc is quite a conservative estimate.

    Going by the isreali figure one could build 12,500 miles of wall or by Trumps ; 7,143 miles though of course these are overestimates. However considering these figures -it seems feasible that one could build a Gulf to Pacific barrier wall for $25 billion

    However a far more impressive 30ft concrete Israeli-West Bank barrier style wall would cost $7.4 million per mile at a cost of $14.5 Billion total though probably more due to other externalities for a full 1954 mile wall, or you could use $25 billion to buy 3,378 miles of delicious israeli apartheid wall.

    , @jack ryan
    @Stephen Marle

    Just turn the first 10 miles of the US Border over to the US Army - close some Army bases in North Carolina and Georgia.

    Also, announce that the Winter Olympics joint North and South Korean team means N and S Korea are united - no reason for 50,000 US troops to have to secure the DMZ between two groups of Koreans that now skate together.

    50,000 US Army troops can do some solid border control on our Southern border.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Stephen Marle


    I don’t think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.
     
    $25 billion is more than sufficient--if you can keep out all the lawyer, enviro and other parasites.

    People act like the Wall is some sort of gargantuan never before attempted scale construction project. It's not. The Wall--even in concrete--would be roughly half an interstate highway, turned on it's side. We have 50,000 miles of interstate highway. The Wall is would be roughly half--ok 2/3--of I10.

    When i was a kid and the interstates were being thrown up, the word was "a million dollars a mile". That dollar isn't worth so much and $10m per mile is a pretty good estimate of actual construction costs. (It's quite a bit more expensive in cities, with interchanges, keeping traffic going during construction, etc.)

    And the truth is we don't need a concrete wall everywhere. A serious triple layer fence--border road, high razor wire fence, service road, the really high super strong "wall" fence (steel bars, that you can see through and shoot through), border patrol road, interior fence (to keep folks inside from messing with the fence)--along with sensors, cameras and border patrol posts would make the border basically impenetrable for anything less than military level assault. The coyotes sneaking people past the wall would be done.

    This is all easily affordable. The potential savings in just a year's worth of the welfare state for future illegals kept out whom we wouldn't have to pay for, would cover it. It's social welfare--schools, medical care, retirement, cash welfare, housing, food stamps, social workers/bureaucracy, prisons--not infrastructure that sucks up the budget, and low-productivity people who don't pull their weight in taxes are super-expensive. Every one you keep out (or keep from being born) is a frigging gold mine.
    , @c matt
    @Stephen Marle

    We can use cheap Mexican labor. Or, since we are already paying welfare, use welfare recipient labor as a condition of benefits.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Stephen Marle

    The opponents of a wall are purposefully inflating the cost. It cost Israel between $2-3 million per mile to build a double row fence and much of it was in inhospitable desert. That means this thing should really cost around $6 billion, max.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Stephen Marle

    If the fixed cost to build a real fence is $25 billion which in my view is inflated, what would the savings be in both the variable costs to guard the border along with the savings on social spending such as schools and medical care? If we save a measly $1 billion per year that is a 4% return on investment.

  4. She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @IHTG

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days? Going full-bore “browning of America” rules out election-minded Republicans. The neoconnery doesn’t work with Democrats anymore. Does she just represent anti-Gentilic dead-enders, along maybe with Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and friends? Is there such a thing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Gunner, @guest

    , @Clyde
    @IHTG

    Really nutty like Anne Navarro, and to think that the Bezos Post hired Rubin as a conservative "voice". What a joke, when was the clown ever a conservative? She recently declared she left the Republican Party.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @IHTG


    She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.
     
    Who? Who "hates" her? She doesn't seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident "conservative" columnist at the Washington Post.

    I find it amusing when people like IHTG (for ethnically self-interested reasons) or Art Deco (because he is stupid) wave off the only barely masked anti-white hostility of people like Rubin by saying, in effect - oh, pay those people no mind, they are irrelevant nobodies, without influence, and nobody listens to them.

    Yeah - that's how I know when somebody has no influence..............when they write a column for the f**king Washington Post.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @guest, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    , @SMK
    @IHTG

    Yes, a Holocaust haunted paranoid psychotic loon. Slightly reducing the number of non-white aliens who enter the country each year -which I doubt will occur- will not "whiten" the U.S. but simply delay the inevitable: the transformation of the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country in which the rise of a Nazi-like regime will be impossible (in Rubin's demented imagination) but in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority -with the exception, at least for some time, of the rich and affluent, like Rubin.

    If only we could send her and her ilk to France when Muslims, the worst jew-haters on earth, become a majority -precluding the rise of a Nazi-regime. And she's a "conservative."

  5. Didn’t Trump’s actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump’s proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It’s not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he’s surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I’ve been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew’s insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it’s possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn’t going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew’s more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    • Replies: @DFH
    @Yan Shen


    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!
     
    gay
    , @bartok
    @Yan Shen


    I think it’s possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!
    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself
     
    The learned Enoch Powell and the gentlemanly Patrick Buchanan were demonized just like Trump. But keep pushing the National Review line, see where it gets you.

    Why do the elite communists that run Washington-NYC go easy on Chinese and Japanese racists and nationalists? Because their task at hand is White genocide and revenge against their ancestral and ethnic enemies, Russians, Germans, Anglo-Saxons and Southerners.

    , @songbird
    @Yan Shen

    Lee Kuan Yew had a cohesive Chinese majority to work with.

    Curiously, there was a man called "Lee Kuan" mentioned in the '60s Star Trek show who was called an authoritarian and compared to Hitler. I don't believe he was supposed to be the same man, but he obviously seems to have been inspired by him, so whoever wrote the episode probably did not like him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Yan Shen


    the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism
     
    You're internalizing the left's critique. Richard Spencer is not part of the national discourse, and Trump and Miller are not calling for separatism.
    , @JSM
    @Yan Shen


    The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew’s
     
    blah blah blah quack quack quack.

    If you love him so much, move to South Korea. He's not *my* champ. I'm a White person; my champ is Donald Trump (at least until / unless he signs amnesty, then I will cheer to see him impeached by the Left.)
    , @Bill
    @Yan Shen


    Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.
     
    Not really. There is no noticeable extremism on the right (actually, there is no noticeable right). A hundred guys typing feverishly on the internet doesn't count.
    , @MadDog
    @Yan Shen

    If he were a politician here, he too would be demonized. For whatever reason, it is accepted that nonwhites can have their own countries and act with extreme prejudice towards outsiders.

    Trump is what is needed now. Bold and brass.

    Time for China, Korea and Japan to take in arabs and Africans. Diversity would enrich them and it is no fair that whites have all the fun and blessings of diversity.

    , @Moses
    @Yan Shen


    Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans.
     
    You are obsessed with race issues.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Bill B.
    @Yan Shen


    white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country
     
    But the ethnic nationalism that Singapore - de facto - runs on makes Richard Spencer et al look like a pikers.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Yan Shen


    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get.
     
    As opposed to China, where only ruthless, authoritarian party functionaries become Presidents.

    Yeah, nice little culture you got there.
  6. Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

    Jennifer Rubin is “conservative” in the same way as North Korea is a Democratic People’s Republic. And she isn’t very bright either. White privilege at work once again.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Viral Architect

    She has gone pretty frantic ever since Trump was elected. Her articles since 2016 are pretty hilarious, especially when coupled with that tagline.

    , @rogue-one
    @Viral Architect

    I think its jewish privilege. It extends to some other mediocrities at the Atlantic as well.

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Viral Architect

    Just another pretty face.

    , @Pericles
    @Viral Architect


    Right Turn

     

    That's a long, long turn taken by a slow, slow driver. Might by some be mistaken for a left turn.
  7. She is supposed to be the “conservative” voice for the Washington Post, for the leftists what this means is that she needs to support all leftist social issues with the only differentiating feature being that she supports wars just a bit more than leftists. That was bad enough, but now the “conservative”voice is openly advocating support of the Democrat party, I just want to know if there are any people out there that describe themselves as right leaning that still seriously believe she is a conservative.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    @neutral

    Probably all it takes to be considered a conservative at the Post is to be in the same room with a conservative without screaming "RACIST!!!".

    , @Anon
    @neutral

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you're the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she's doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She's just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it's a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter's level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she's much too weak and submissive.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by ‘genocide’ of Indians. Anglos were ‘nazis’ of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white ‘genocide’ of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn’t wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater ‘historical crime’ than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn’t wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the ‘white supremacist’ nation made by ‘genocide’ and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites ‘whitened’ the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in ‘their place’. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from ‘Asiatic’ Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It’s sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn’t split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under ‘Asiatic’ Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via ‘genocide’ and slavery), there wouldn’t have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have “40 yrs of wandering” in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it’s heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won’t be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    • Agree: a reader
    • Replies: @JSM
    @Anon


    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration
     
    Yep. Dominican Republic. In the late 1930s, the president of Dominican Republic offered the Jews of Europe to come there. He promised to resettle up to 100,000 of them with acreage, a mule, and a start-up loan of 10K at 1% interest (a gift package worth, in today's dollars $166K).

    Strangely, very few Jews took him up on it. About 700 out of the 100,000 President Rafael Trujillo promised to take in.

    Just imagine the good that the Jews could have done there... imagine all the former slaves that 100K Jewish landholders could have employed at high wages.
    But, no. Funny that. Wonder why?

    Replies: @Big Bill

    , @William Badwhite
    @Anon

    Over 1,000 words. Good grief man get an editor

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon


    In the US, Jewish elites won’t be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.
     
    The only Jews that I've ever known personally to question large-scale immigration live in Fairfax and way eastern Loudoun counties, VA. The nicer parts of these counties have seen huge Asian and Indian immigration over the past 25 years. The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations. They are very much into starting businesses and getting rich. They do business within their group when possible. They get involved in politics. And they push their kids to excel academically.

    For the first time in who knows how long, Jews are going up against groups that fight back and can't be rolled by guilt. Can Jews compete against these other groups? Sure, though the Asians and Indians are hungrier. But the point is that some Jews are waking up to just what diversity means. They're replacing pliable white goys with hard-driving, tribal Asians and Indians. Big mistake.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @guest
    @Anon

    The Jewish middle- to upper-class intelligentsia strategy had it good by the 60s, when "gentlemen's agreements" fell by the wayside and "merit" allowed them to advance. Then they made their own way, so to speak, and could be radical New Lefters destroying American civilization or neocons destroying American civilization. The choice was there's.

    There was a lot of slack. The U.S. had room to degenerate, and instead of assimilating and becoming just more white people Jews could go on hacking away at traditional American society with their hatchet of "critique" for generations.

    Unfortunately, slack is running out. There are real-world consequences for having deconstructed WASP society, even for Jews!

    And there's no line of retreat, because if they become just more white people, they share the fate of other white people. Which thanks in part to Jews is a bad fate. And they can't rule over the rising tide of color. The rising tide of color can't discriminate like whites, won't value "merit," don't view Jews as unique, and won't spare them.

    , @Becky
    @Anon

    The US didn't perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks. Many of them were bloodthirsty and always wages cruel wars against their own people's. They weren't innocents. I'm sick of you leftist trolls and your games. If you want to discuss real genocides look what the Spanish did in what became Latin America, they also invented the transAtlantic slave trade and the Jews were heavily involved in it.

    Replies: @Anon

  9. Thank goodness liberal influencers are talking Dem leadership out of hitting the bid on an opening gambit that was way too generous.

    Trump and the GOP will win so much more if the Dems really choose to die on this hill. No deal is the best deal.

    Now, if only Theresa May could figure this out.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  10. Jennifer Rubin is a Likud supporter.

  11. And why is a “Whitening” of the immigration a bad thing Rubin?

    Come one, tell us how you really feel.

  12. Anonymous [AKA "Every. Single. Time."] says:

    (((Rubin)))

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with Jennifer Rubin hating white gentiles.

    Given some of the "unpleasantness" between Jews and whites over the years, that's an unsurprising attitude. Jews generally have their particular spin on this conflict where some magic irrational gentile "anti-semitism!" rather than Jewish separatism, supremacy and behavior are at the root of this. I think this is basically nonsense--real human beings the world tend to react to other tribes' behavior in pretty predictable ways (the weird exception is actually white gentiles today!). But everyone is entitled to their fantasies. Heck, ugly girls convince themselves "men are assholes!" to explain their lack of male attention.


    What is despicable--vile--about Jews like Jennifer Rubin is that she doesn't just leave and go to Israel to live with her own kind, but shits all over the people who founded this nation, built it from the ground up and make it the peaceful and prosperous nation that it is, and worse works tirelessly to destroy what our ancestors built.

    You don't want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller--fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us--you're an odious creep.

    Replies: @anon, @Rod1963

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Anonymous

    Echo quotes are unnecessary ‘round these parts.

  13. @IHTG
    She's a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon, @SMK

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days? Going full-bore “browning of America” rules out election-minded Republicans. The neoconnery doesn’t work with Democrats anymore. Does she just represent anti-Gentilic dead-enders, along maybe with Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and friends? Is there such a thing?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Thomas

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days?

    The editors and publisher of The Washington Post. That's who hired her and who cuts the checks. Same deal with Brooks. Same deal with David Weigel, though in his case it was a matter of public record that he's a shill when his Journ-O-List contributions were published, which kind of wrecks the act. George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it's a reasonable wager would never hire Will today. The real sore thumb is Douthat, who isn't a shill. However, Will and Douthat are both the issue of the haut bourgeoisie and the Ivy League and they both despise Trump, so they're useful for Bezos / Sulzberger as is.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Gunner
    @Thomas

    She is just bitter against Trump and his fans who make fun of her for the clown she is. No rhyme or reason. I am sure she will be back on the GOP side to pimp the next Romney type Republican in 2024.

    , @guest
    @Thomas

    I'm beginning to believe they're all secret-handshake people.

    The idea used to be that people like her and Brooks were the Palatable Right, whom the NYT crowd could stomach reading, and were hopefully capable of both explaining the right to a center-left audience, as well as pulling rightist opinion in their direction. Which is to say make the right more leftist.

    But these people don't understand the right anymore, and aren't even trying to. They're ideological refugees: victims of the Overton Window shifting rightward. There shouldn't be a home for them, but unless and until the NYT starts publishing writers of the Dissident Right or Conservatism Inc. drops NeverTrump and gets some new blood, that's not going to happen.

    They've already tried new blood with Ben Shapiro, and he at least has a bit of a smidgen of a tad of a hold on anti-SJW-ism. But he's a non-starter and a Nevertrumper himself.

    Neoconservatism is adrift.

  14. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Hamlet’s question, ‘To be or not to be’ now weighs on the entire West.

    To survive or not to survive. And it’s not about one person but the entire civilization.

    And yet, it’s not just a collective question but a personal-psychological question since the West cannot choose to BE unless each Western person feels within his heart and mind that he and his kind deserve to live and survive on their lands.

    They did Julius Caesar in Central Park about Trump. But Trumplet might be closer to what is happening. Trump asked the question, and his answer is To Be. He sees no reason why Germany should choose Not To Be.

    Caesar was an empire-builder. He was not a Rome Firster but an empire builder. So, others killed him to preserve the republic.
    In contrast, Trump, despite neocon pressures, is still more nationalist than empire builder.
    He wants America To Be. And the conspiracy afoot to poison him is to destroy nationalism forever in favor of Caesarian globo empire.

    It comes down to Tobes vs Notobes.

    Patriots want the Real West to be, whereas globalists wanted it not to be.

    Like confused Hamlet, the West is now torn between two tendencies. One toward life and self-preservation and one toward doubt and demise.
    Not only a 50/50 psychological split but 50/50 demographic split.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Anon

    Nice!

    , @MEH 0910
    @Anon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9Ismh1elM

    , @JamesG
    @Anon

    That's not Victor Mature.


    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1071&bih=734&ei=QXVvWr3wA4nazwKisq6gBQ&q=victor+mature&oq=victor+mature&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.8849.13775.0.16169.16.13.0.3.3.0.237.1257.0j6j2.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..5.11.1275.0...0.fcGmeV8L638

  15. Strangely, Teddy Kennedy never sold his 1965 Immigration Act as an attempt to ‘darken’ America.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Anonymous

    Strangely, the 1965 act was called Hart-Celler. Representative Celler had spent thirty-some years trying to get such an act passed, before Teddy Kennedy ever was elected to the Senate, in November 1962, to fill the final two years of President Kennedy's remaining term, from his November 1958 reelection to the Senate. When LBJ signed Hart-Celler into law, on October 3, 1965, Teddy Kennedy had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for well under three full years. His brother, Bobby, had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for only nine months. Their brother, Jack, had been planted beneath the eternal flame, at Arlington National Cemetery, for the better part of two years.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  16. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    gay

  17. @IHTG
    She's a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon, @SMK

    Really nutty like Anne Navarro, and to think that the Bezos Post hired Rubin as a conservative “voice”. What a joke, when was the clown ever a conservative? She recently declared she left the Republican Party.

  18. Jewish over-representation in important fields (e.g. media) would not be a big deal if they were not, all too typically, left-leaning types promoting destructive policies, ideas, fueled in large measure by their Jewish identities. And it goes beyond the Jewish genocide around WW2. Even before that genocide, Jews were doing similar things, just fueled by different hostilities or ethnocentrism attitudes.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Return of Shawn

    Jewish over-representation in important fields wouldn't be a big deal if they weren't so...Jewishy when they "arrive."

    Take physics, for instance. Despite some people labelling it "the Jewish science," and despite having been in a rut for 80+ years, it didn't turn specifically Jewish when Jews started dominating it. Famous Jewish scientists like Einstein pushed Jewish causes, but they didn't make physics Jewish.

    Jewish politics and Jewish entertainment, on the other hand, inarguably Jewified their fields. Almost without realizing it, I might imagine. I like some sit-coms, but find myself generally incapable of identifying with the families depicted in them. You can stretch this out to most comedy, in fact. Which has become nothing but back-biting, bitching, and cutting people down.

    Not including black comedy (by which I mean comedy by black people), which is distinctly black, I assume this is because entertainment is dominated by two back-bitey, bitchy groups: Jews and gays. Which is a fact admitted by both, but they never seem to realize how thoroughly they're writing stuff that speaks to themselves alone.

    Ever wonder why Hollywood is full of material about lost, hopeless, cynical, degenerate, addictive, angry, pathetic people? Because that's who's writing and producing it, and they've forgotten that other kinds of people exist. You know, Waltons people. This cannot but have an ethnic component to it.

  19. @Thomas
    @IHTG

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days? Going full-bore “browning of America” rules out election-minded Republicans. The neoconnery doesn’t work with Democrats anymore. Does she just represent anti-Gentilic dead-enders, along maybe with Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and friends? Is there such a thing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Gunner, @guest

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days?

    The editors and publisher of The Washington Post. That’s who hired her and who cuts the checks. Same deal with Brooks. Same deal with David Weigel, though in his case it was a matter of public record that he’s a shill when his Journ-O-List contributions were published, which kind of wrecks the act. George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it’s a reasonable wager would never hire Will today. The real sore thumb is Douthat, who isn’t a shill. However, Will and Douthat are both the issue of the haut bourgeoisie and the Ivy League and they both despise Trump, so they’re useful for Bezos / Sulzberger as is.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it’s a reasonable wager would never hire Will today.
     
    How do Will's opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks? Will served the agenda of those who hired him, same as any of these new people do. Will isn't published today because he's old. He's a tired, worn-out old cuck, beloved only by cucks. There are newer, younger people available to sell out their ostensible "conservative" principles and/or their race.

    Replies: @jack ryan, @Art Deco

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m fascinated by the idea that empires often end up destroying the nations that spawn them. And actually add no real value to the people of the nation.

    This may be because, at least for the last few centuries, this means taking on a bunch of low IQ people, who end up being more a burden than “cheap labor”.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @Anonymous

    The reason is because empires result in elite infighting. Once all the external enemies are gone, people turn on each other to get that 'hurting others and expressing dominance' high. Foreigners are useful since they don't have any existing ties with the result they are imported and gradually replace the original population who decline through either direct killing or sabotaging each other with things like feminism or other insane social crazes.

    , @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    Moreover, even insofar as they might conceivably benefit the people that built it, it's considered a bad thing. Sure, the U.S. empire has killed millions of people in service of utterly dubious causes...but the thought that it might have "privileged" the every day white working stiff is what really can't be countenanced.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  21. I think the proposed changes to a merit based immigration system would have more of a “yellowing” or “orangeing” effect on immigration. I think we would get a lot more East Asians and Indians (Orange/Saffron is one of the colors of the Indian flag not the hue of the people.).

  22. @Tyrion 2
    The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn't even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Cindy, @Pat Boyle, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Faraday's Bobcat

    We both know journalists would never live in a neighborhood where diversity lottery recipients would be their neighbors.

  23. @Anon
    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by 'genocide' of Indians. Anglos were 'nazis' of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white 'genocide' of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn't wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater 'historical crime' than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn't wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the 'white supremacist' nation made by 'genocide' and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites 'whitened' the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in 'their place'. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from 'Asiatic' Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It's sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn't split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under 'Asiatic' Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via 'genocide' and slavery), there wouldn't have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have "40 yrs of wandering" in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it's heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won't be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    Replies: @JSM, @William Badwhite, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest, @Becky

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration

    Yep. Dominican Republic. In the late 1930s, the president of Dominican Republic offered the Jews of Europe to come there. He promised to resettle up to 100,000 of them with acreage, a mule, and a start-up loan of 10K at 1% interest (a gift package worth, in today’s dollars $166K).

    Strangely, very few Jews took him up on it. About 700 out of the 100,000 President Rafael Trujillo promised to take in.

    Just imagine the good that the Jews could have done there… imagine all the former slaves that 100K Jewish landholders could have employed at high wages.
    But, no. Funny that. Wonder why?

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @JSM

    Because there isn't enough money/success/power available in the Dominican Republic (or Israel, for that matter). Who wants to be King of the Dwarves? Who wants to be the Richest Man in Podunk, Idaho?

    Why did Eugene Volokh and his family leave Russia, refuse to move to Israel and settle in the USA? Eugene and his kin would be just another bunch of johnny-come-lately Russian immigrants in Israel, competing against well-established Ashkenazi Jews who already had a lock on the elite upper reaches of Israeli society (and similar high IQs). The Volokhs would have had to fight like dogs to get a piece of the pie in Israel. Worse, that piece would have been rather small, since Israel is a tiny market.

    Better to move to America with a (relatively) dumb but tractable white goy population swimming in cash, living peaceful, safe, sheep-like lives where you can aspire to be a Supreme Court Justice or a rich programmer (a la Zuck) or industrial magnate (a la Musk) with relatively little competition (and no requirement to join the military and risk your life for your country!).

    For Jews in 1939, the Dominican Republic was a step down from Europe. The US was a step up.

    For the Volokhs in the 1970s, Israel was a step down from Russia. The US was a step up.

    Simple economics.

    Replies: @JSM

  24. Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post Neo-Conservative Jew, is ugly in her facial features and her anti-White hatred towards the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Do not discount the unbridled hatred for creation itself by some of these people who are ugly bastards. Jennifer Rubin is allowing the horrible fact that she is an ugly anti-White bitch to taint every damn word she scratches out.

    Jews such as Jennifer Rubin are ugly, immoral, irresponsible and evil in pushing for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Jennifer Rubin is an ungrateful Jew who is attacking the nation that afforded her people refuge.

    Now, here is a Jennifer Rubin, who I have never heard of, who appears to be Jewish and somewhat beautiful:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Charles Pewitt

    Attack a woman's beauty, make yourself ugly.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Charles Pewitt

    Cathy Young makes Jennifer Rubin look like a young Elizabeth Taylor.

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Charles Pewitt

    What a strange post.

  25. I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin types directly to explain why a Whiter immigration policy is bad. Ideally Trump could tweet something along these lines.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @27 year old


    I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin types directly to explain why a Whiter immigration policy is bad. Ideally Trump could tweet something along these lines.
     
    In 1965 America was essentially a 90/10 white/black nation. Since the 1965 Immigration Act immigrants have been 90/10 with the 10 being white-European. A complete reversal of what Mr Brimelow calls the Historic American Nation. So allowing only white immigration for the next 20 years would be fair play. But try running such fair and rational thinking past a Dick Turban, Lindsey Graham, any Democrat or the average third world immigrant here (USA)

    1965 was the turning point and so was 1995 with mass internet access and windows 95

    , @Karl
    @27 year old

    25 27 year old > I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin type


    Ann Coulter spends her day changing the world. So, she will never waste her time arguing with Jennifer Rubin

    iSteve spends his day not changing anything, but complaining about it

    iSteve learned that trick from Ron Unz

  26. “but it ends immigration by family reunification — the ability for those who have become citizens to get green cards for parents, siblings and adult children. (Spouses and minor children could still be granted green cards.)”

    It alters the family unification system. It doesn’t end it, as she notes parenthetically. The hysteria is typical.

  27. how about no immigrants from anywhere for a while. We have nearly 400 million people here already so maybe we can do something with them?

  28. @Anon
    Hamlet's question, 'To be or not to be' now weighs on the entire West.

    To survive or not to survive. And it's not about one person but the entire civilization.

    And yet, it's not just a collective question but a personal-psychological question since the West cannot choose to BE unless each Western person feels within his heart and mind that he and his kind deserve to live and survive on their lands.

    They did Julius Caesar in Central Park about Trump. But Trumplet might be closer to what is happening. Trump asked the question, and his answer is To Be. He sees no reason why Germany should choose Not To Be.

    Caesar was an empire-builder. He was not a Rome Firster but an empire builder. So, others killed him to preserve the republic.
    In contrast, Trump, despite neocon pressures, is still more nationalist than empire builder.
    He wants America To Be. And the conspiracy afoot to poison him is to destroy nationalism forever in favor of Caesarian globo empire.

    It comes down to Tobes vs Notobes.

    Patriots want the Real West to be, whereas globalists wanted it not to be.

    Like confused Hamlet, the West is now torn between two tendencies. One toward life and self-preservation and one toward doubt and demise.
    Not only a 50/50 psychological split but 50/50 demographic split.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxMxjEogq8

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @MEH 0910, @JamesG

    Nice!

  29. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    How generals see soldiers. Sheep. Cannon fodder.

    How elites see modern masses. As consumers to be consumed and disposed by new consumers.

    When this is the state of Art, nothing has any value to the elites except their status and vanity. Listening to ‘art critics’ pontificate about new art is like listening to politicians and pundits wax romantic about the magical qualities of Diversity. So much globscurantism.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anon

    "price-fixing scam"

    I've resisted the notion that modern art is one, giant money-laundering scheme for a long time on the basis of the people in charge of that part of our culture genuinely believing in it. They didn't just make up the collapse of faith in the Old Ways at the end of the 19th century. I don't believe Western High Culture degenerated due to a conspiracy. That was an actual happening. Also, it occurred in fields which don't allow for "collecting"--that is, buying and selling to move often pretend money around--isn't applicable, like architecture. Though of course it's possible to hide money in architectural projects.

    Then it occurred to me, the Old Ways only died a natural death amongst the Ivory Tower types in the art world. And the Art World us ridiculously small. It would be perfectly possible to prop them up with subsidies, and indeed most critics now are either wrapped up in the gallery scene or academia or both. What would there be to prevent you from picking the insane or gullible who actually believe in modern art, give them security, promote their views, and pretend it compromises the entirety of opinion that matters?

    The public? They obviously don't matter. Pre-modern art still speaks to them, the Philistines. (Without elaborate justifications based on either prefiguring modern art or somehow being ahead of their time by breaking all the rules; which allows modern critics to avoid looking like fools by calling Michelangelo "kitsch," without being mistaken for recommending anyone produce art like Michelangelo anymore.) What do they know?

    Artists? They'll produce what we want, or they'll starve. Happy coincidence: producing the high-quality art of Old Masters is hard. If such techniques as impressionism, for instance, stay popular for long enough, there won't be anyone left to teach anyone how to paint anything but the zero-skill/zero-talent art favored by modernism.

    Okay, there are still people remaining who know the Old techniques. But you won find them in art schools, which are the most useless institutions of supposedly higher learning. More useless than "studies" departments, which at least teach you s just something, even if it's wrong. Though art schools can be useful for networking, of course. Because there are only so many open slots in the fame game of the narrowest of narrow worlds that is the art world.

  30. It not whites the Jews hate . It is white Christians. The Jews have a Christ problem and just can’t get over it. Ever after being given their own country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    The conflict between the two peoples predates Christianity.

  31. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    I think it’s possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!
    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself

    The learned Enoch Powell and the gentlemanly Patrick Buchanan were demonized just like Trump. But keep pushing the National Review line, see where it gets you.

    Why do the elite communists that run Washington-NYC go easy on Chinese and Japanese racists and nationalists? Because their task at hand is White genocide and revenge against their ancestral and ethnic enemies, Russians, Germans, Anglo-Saxons and Southerners.

  32. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    That would be true if toilet seats were $10,000,000 a pop which they are not, For comparison Bush in 2006 built 970km(600 miles) worth of 10ft razor wire fence for $2.8 million per mile which in total was $1.68 billion in total cost for roughly one third of the total border (1954 miles). Don’t forget that a good portion of the border already has walls through urbanised areas such as El Paso etc and the fact that the Rio Grande acts as a good natural barrier further shortens the required distance needed.

    The Isrealis’ built a quite effective double fence along the gaza strip that reduced illegal crossings by 99% since 1994 for $2 million per mile, Trumps proposed concrete-fence hybrid is estimated to cost $3.5 million per mile- therefore taking this and a conservative figure for length needed to be built to be 1954 miles – we a get figure of $6.839 Billion – Therefore a $25 billion figure for private land that has to be brought, costs inefficiency etc is quite a conservative estimate.

    Going by the isreali figure one could build 12,500 miles of wall or by Trumps ; 7,143 miles though of course these are overestimates. However considering these figures -it seems feasible that one could build a Gulf to Pacific barrier wall for $25 billion

    However a far more impressive 30ft concrete Israeli-West Bank barrier style wall would cost $7.4 million per mile at a cost of $14.5 Billion total though probably more due to other externalities for a full 1954 mile wall, or you could use $25 billion to buy 3,378 miles of delicious israeli apartheid wall.

  33. @Anon
    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by 'genocide' of Indians. Anglos were 'nazis' of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white 'genocide' of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn't wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater 'historical crime' than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn't wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the 'white supremacist' nation made by 'genocide' and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites 'whitened' the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in 'their place'. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from 'Asiatic' Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It's sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn't split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under 'Asiatic' Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via 'genocide' and slavery), there wouldn't have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have "40 yrs of wandering" in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it's heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won't be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    Replies: @JSM, @William Badwhite, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest, @Becky

    Over 1,000 words. Good grief man get an editor

  34. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    Lee Kuan Yew had a cohesive Chinese majority to work with.

    Curiously, there was a man called “Lee Kuan” mentioned in the ’60s Star Trek show who was called an authoritarian and compared to Hitler. I don’t believe he was supposed to be the same man, but he obviously seems to have been inspired by him, so whoever wrote the episode probably did not like him.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @songbird

    He wasn't a character, he was a reference.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Kuan


    Doubt Lee Kuan Yew was on Hollywood writers' radar screens in 1968. The fictional Lee Kuan was supposed to be a major conqueror, not the boss of a Hanseatic mandarinate.

  35. @Viral Architect
    Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

    Jennifer Rubin is "conservative" in the same way as North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. And she isn't very bright either. White privilege at work once again.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rogue-one, @Father O'Hara, @Pericles

    She has gone pretty frantic ever since Trump was elected. Her articles since 2016 are pretty hilarious, especially when coupled with that tagline.

  36. @Art Deco
    @Thomas

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days?

    The editors and publisher of The Washington Post. That's who hired her and who cuts the checks. Same deal with Brooks. Same deal with David Weigel, though in his case it was a matter of public record that he's a shill when his Journ-O-List contributions were published, which kind of wrecks the act. George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it's a reasonable wager would never hire Will today. The real sore thumb is Douthat, who isn't a shill. However, Will and Douthat are both the issue of the haut bourgeoisie and the Ivy League and they both despise Trump, so they're useful for Bezos / Sulzberger as is.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it’s a reasonable wager would never hire Will today.

    How do Will’s opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks? Will served the agenda of those who hired him, same as any of these new people do. Will isn’t published today because he’s old. He’s a tired, worn-out old cuck, beloved only by cucks. There are newer, younger people available to sell out their ostensible “conservative” principles and/or their race.

    • Replies: @jack ryan
    @Mr. Anon

    Agreed and well said.

    George Will played the role of

    Court Conservative - pretending that the only types of acceptable opinion are PC Lib Leftism and George Will's Conservatism which is

    Open borders immigration to the USA
    Endless wars for Israel
    In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will won/lost Instauration Magazine's White traitor of the year award for making this career out of being the fake conservative opposition.

    Plus he also pretends to know everything about baseball - he knows nothing.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    How do Will’s opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks?

    What's your frame of reference? Will has a publication record dating back to his time on the faculty of the University of Toronto fifty years ago. To the extent his stances have changed over that time, it's been in a libertarian direction.

    Rubin has been justly accused of being incoherent, improvisational, and given to acting as a press agent for particular politicians (e.g. Mitt Romney). That doesn't describe Will. Will's never been an admirer of Obama, which Brooks certainly was. Nor can you argue that Will's career in topical commentary was derived from being a pet or poseur, since he was an astringent antagonist to the Republican establishment as it was in 1975, not to mention regnant opinion in the Democratic Party. Will is comically hostile to Trump, which I think is an indication of senescence and the influence of his wife, who is the exemplary Republican inner-ringer. (His first wife is a lobbyist as well, but doesn't have business clients).

    Replies: @Bill

  37. But I thought we *wanted* to be like Norway because of all that welfare state?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @jtgw


    But I thought we *wanted* to be like Norway because of all that welfare state?
     
    It depends upon topic for the day. If they are trying to push higher taxes to support universal healthcare, 12 month maternity leave, more education, etc., then Norway and Japan are to be emulated.

    When the topic switches to immigration, then Japan (especially) is an old, dying society that won't be around for long because they won't take immigrants.
  38. @IHTG
    She's a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon, @SMK

    She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    I find it amusing when people like IHTG (for ethnically self-interested reasons) or Art Deco (because he is stupid) wave off the only barely masked anti-white hostility of people like Rubin by saying, in effect – oh, pay those people no mind, they are irrelevant nobodies, without influence, and nobody listens to them.

    Yeah – that’s how I know when somebody has no influence…………..when they write a column for the f**king Washington Post.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens. However, her work has been cut to pieces by Charles C.W. Cooke, who is on the staff of National Review.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke

    , @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    They write the supposedly conservative column for WaPo. Which tells you something right there. She exists to interpret the right for that crowd. Which means at best they tolerate her because they think she can be useful.

    But she's not useful, because she clearly has no influence on the right and no understanding of what's happening on the right. She gets published, but is a political commenter without home, so to speak. Except neoconservatism. Which still has influence, but is losing utterly its connection to people.

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Mr. Anon

    Characterizing JRubin as an outlier for Jewish-American opinion on Immigration is dicey at best.

    Increasingly, commentators like her, Bret Stephens, JPod, Max Boot & Bill Kristol, plus activists such as Barbara Lerner-Spectre, Mark Potok, Ira Glasser, Tim Wise, Heidi Beirich....are all seen as merely more strident & unfiltered examples of the overall voice of Organized American Jewry. Of course there is a significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots, but the center of gravity for Jewish influence seems well to their Left.
    The result is that you have shrill, but well funded anti-White open borders zealots like Rubin & Stephens juxtaposed with a segment of Jewish opinion who couch their mass immigration enthusiasm behind high minded libertarianism (Jeff & Tamar Jacoby, Cathy Young, Steven Greenhut) or feign indifference on the issue while occasionally letting slip that they have a universalist Emma Lazarus view of America (Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro).

    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference, while their big money & relentless activism assures conformity of opinion by getting dissidents like Lou Dobbs & Pat Buchanan expelled from CNN.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @3g4me

  39. @Anon
    Hamlet's question, 'To be or not to be' now weighs on the entire West.

    To survive or not to survive. And it's not about one person but the entire civilization.

    And yet, it's not just a collective question but a personal-psychological question since the West cannot choose to BE unless each Western person feels within his heart and mind that he and his kind deserve to live and survive on their lands.

    They did Julius Caesar in Central Park about Trump. But Trumplet might be closer to what is happening. Trump asked the question, and his answer is To Be. He sees no reason why Germany should choose Not To Be.

    Caesar was an empire-builder. He was not a Rome Firster but an empire builder. So, others killed him to preserve the republic.
    In contrast, Trump, despite neocon pressures, is still more nationalist than empire builder.
    He wants America To Be. And the conspiracy afoot to poison him is to destroy nationalism forever in favor of Caesarian globo empire.

    It comes down to Tobes vs Notobes.

    Patriots want the Real West to be, whereas globalists wanted it not to be.

    Like confused Hamlet, the West is now torn between two tendencies. One toward life and self-preservation and one toward doubt and demise.
    Not only a 50/50 psychological split but 50/50 demographic split.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxMxjEogq8

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @MEH 0910, @JamesG

  40. @Anon
    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by 'genocide' of Indians. Anglos were 'nazis' of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white 'genocide' of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn't wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater 'historical crime' than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn't wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the 'white supremacist' nation made by 'genocide' and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites 'whitened' the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in 'their place'. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from 'Asiatic' Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It's sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn't split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under 'Asiatic' Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via 'genocide' and slavery), there wouldn't have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have "40 yrs of wandering" in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it's heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won't be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    Replies: @JSM, @William Badwhite, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest, @Becky

    In the US, Jewish elites won’t be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    The only Jews that I’ve ever known personally to question large-scale immigration live in Fairfax and way eastern Loudoun counties, VA. The nicer parts of these counties have seen huge Asian and Indian immigration over the past 25 years. The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations. They are very much into starting businesses and getting rich. They do business within their group when possible. They get involved in politics. And they push their kids to excel academically.

    For the first time in who knows how long, Jews are going up against groups that fight back and can’t be rolled by guilt. Can Jews compete against these other groups? Sure, though the Asians and Indians are hungrier. But the point is that some Jews are waking up to just what diversity means. They’re replacing pliable white goys with hard-driving, tribal Asians and Indians. Big mistake.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations.

    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.

    Hindus are a lot savvier and keener about ways of power. Hindus can't be earnest about anything since everyone has to negotiate for advantage in India where cohesion of any kind is rare. So Hindus don't grow up trusting people or institutions. It makes for a messy society but also one where people are primed for multi-level competition.

    Also, Hindu numbers are growing and Hindus have a long history of reading white minds.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

  41. @Thomas
    @IHTG

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days? Going full-bore “browning of America” rules out election-minded Republicans. The neoconnery doesn’t work with Democrats anymore. Does she just represent anti-Gentilic dead-enders, along maybe with Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and friends? Is there such a thing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Gunner, @guest

    She is just bitter against Trump and his fans who make fun of her for the clown she is. No rhyme or reason. I am sure she will be back on the GOP side to pimp the next Romney type Republican in 2024.

  42. The one conclusion which can be easily drawn from the Trump proposal is that a significant reduction in legal black and Hispanic immigrants will reduce the pressure of legal votes on white, nativist elements. In essence they strive to avoid what is really a force of nature — that is to say the continued intermingling of the races. The plan may win the white establishment a few more elections, but the tide of history appears to be against it.

    Walls can be torn down, ruined lives are much harder to fix.

    Leonard Pitts has written extensively on white men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Tiny Duck

    Pittsfield, Massachusetts was named after Leonard Pitts. The people of the town were so enamored of the way Pitts extensively writes about White men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege that they decided to rename their town. Leonard Pitts was also the inspiration for many Norman Rockwell paintings while he visited Pittsfield to celebrate the town changing its name.

    Pittsfield in WSJ recently because a museum wants to take advantage of the asset bubble in the art market by selling two Rockwell paintings. Rockwell family members and townspeople say don't sell. The asset bubble in the art market is caused by central bank monetary extremism and plutocrats bidding up prices to get even richer. Dennis Hopper, before he croaked, was wise to the art market scam and he profited from it.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fight-at-berkshire-museum-doesnt-look-like-a-norman-rockwell-painting-1517157253

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck is obsessed with White wombs because he's White.

    , @fish
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys.....!

  43. @27 year old
    I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin types directly to explain why a Whiter immigration policy is bad. Ideally Trump could tweet something along these lines.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Karl

    I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin types directly to explain why a Whiter immigration policy is bad. Ideally Trump could tweet something along these lines.

    In 1965 America was essentially a 90/10 white/black nation. Since the 1965 Immigration Act immigrants have been 90/10 with the 10 being white-European. A complete reversal of what Mr Brimelow calls the Historic American Nation. So allowing only white immigration for the next 20 years would be fair play. But try running such fair and rational thinking past a Dick Turban, Lindsey Graham, any Democrat or the average third world immigrant here (USA)

    1965 was the turning point and so was 1995 with mass internet access and windows 95

  44. The reality is all the people I know don’t give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I’m sick of these insane people race baiting in all things…..like Hillary did for 18 months while campaigning.

    The left is a one trick pony, every single thing is about race. And I for one am sick and tired of it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @interesting

    I live in London England.
    I've lived there for over 50 years.
    I disagree with you entirely - based on the observations of a lifetime.

    , @Pericles
    @interesting


    The reality is all the people I know don’t give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I’m sick of these insane people race baiting in all things….

     

    They're mostly the kids of the immigrants you like, btw.
    , @Anonymous
    @interesting

    You have to go back.

  45. Gee, Jennifer Rubin may be awful but I’m sure she’s not part of any larger pattern of people from a certain ethnic group being openly hateful towards an entire race….

  46. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism

    You’re internalizing the left’s critique. Richard Spencer is not part of the national discourse, and Trump and Miller are not calling for separatism.

  47. @Tyrion 2
    The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn't even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Cindy, @Pat Boyle, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Faraday's Bobcat

    “Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?”

    Naw, honey. This is how they wish to pick *your* future neighbors.

    • LOL: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Penguinchip
    @Cindy

    Bingo.

  48. istevefan says:
    @jtgw
    But I thought we *wanted* to be like Norway because of all that welfare state?

    Replies: @istevefan

    But I thought we *wanted* to be like Norway because of all that welfare state?

    It depends upon topic for the day. If they are trying to push higher taxes to support universal healthcare, 12 month maternity leave, more education, etc., then Norway and Japan are to be emulated.

    When the topic switches to immigration, then Japan (especially) is an old, dying society that won’t be around for long because they won’t take immigrants.

  49. @Viral Architect
    Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

    Jennifer Rubin is "conservative" in the same way as North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. And she isn't very bright either. White privilege at work once again.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rogue-one, @Father O'Hara, @Pericles

    I think its jewish privilege. It extends to some other mediocrities at the Atlantic as well.

  50. With the cancellation of that program, we get one step closer to Trump’s view of an America that looks like Norway.

    As opposed to my vision, an America that looks like a combo of Brazil and Mexico….

    … However, the main thrust of this bill is, in fact, to cut and reshape legal immigration. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and Democrats should resist the invitation to use dreamers to leverage a deal that “whitens” our immigration system.

    Remember, keep our immigration system Black and Brown!

  51. It always amuses me how neo-cons like Rubin and Michael Medved always use superlatives to describe spending they don’t like. In the case of the wall, it’s “eye-popping” when in reality it’s a little more than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget. In other words, it’s a rounding error.

    Medved is even more innumerate, if that’s possible. For some reason, he has a visceral dislike of Amtrak, and uses his radio show to fulminate against “stupid choo choo trains” (he too is against a border wall, which will surprise no one who has heard his show). Undoubtedly Medved thinks he is showing the world how tough he is on wasteful spending, when in reality Amtrak’s annual subsidy is $1.5 billion dollars or about $5 per person, per year for everyone who lives in the USA. I’m pretty sure that the 20 million illegals who Medved insists cannot be deported* cost every one of us more than $5 a year.

    * A favorite trick of Medved’s is to put callers on his show who are against illegal immigration. The callers are invariably elderly and sometimes have trouble expressing their train of thought clearly. Medved will allow them to box themselves into a rhetorical corner, and when the moment is right triumphantly bellow “YOU CAN’T DEPORT 12 MILLION PEOPLE!” and cut the call short. It’s not quite elder abuse, but here’s a so-called conservative radio host snarling in disdain at old people who disagree with him, while sometimes making the point that he thinks Michael Savage (who he never mentions by name) is a purveyor of “hate.”

    • Replies: @jack ryan
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I confess that I hate open border neo conservative traitors like Medved.

    I support arresting them and forcing Medved to....

    Build the wall or else go try to police the occupied West Bank of the Jordan river or Gaza Strip.

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    At least Rubin & Medved have decided to fully remove the mask. What should be more worrying is they could be putting out back channel requests to the likes of David Milliband & George Soros:

    "Dear David & George: Our Population Replacement agenda is encountering unexpected resistance in Washington. Please issue new orders to the Rescue Committee's fleet of Trans-Mediterranean ships. We require immediate population transfers from West Africa to Florida. In order to keep the Browning of America on pace, we'll need a minimum of 1000 Africans per week expedited to the east coast of Florida. Beginning ASAP & until Trump is impeached. Request is Urgent. Tikun Olam. Jennifer & Michael out. "

  52. “The cat is out of the bag.”

    Future America, as Jennifer Rubin sees it, should be 500 million people, consisting of a majority brown underclass, a mixed middle class, a white-led military, and one exclusive tribe holding the reigns of power.

  53. @neutral
    She is supposed to be the "conservative" voice for the Washington Post, for the leftists what this means is that she needs to support all leftist social issues with the only differentiating feature being that she supports wars just a bit more than leftists. That was bad enough, but now the "conservative"voice is openly advocating support of the Democrat party, I just want to know if there are any people out there that describe themselves as right leaning that still seriously believe she is a conservative.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain, @Anon

    Probably all it takes to be considered a conservative at the Post is to be in the same room with a conservative without screaming “RACIST!!!”.

  54. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’d be interested in hearing whether Alan Dershowitz considers Jennifer Rubin to be the most creative, intelligent, and hard-working person who could be working at the Post in her capacity.

    Because, let’s face it. She’s not intelligent. She’s not creative. And she certainly isn’t any more hard-working than hundreds of bloggers who do it for free.

    So how does he explain the fact that she has this job, and one of those bloggers doesn’t?

    When it comes to Jewish physicists or Jewish microbiologists or something, then sure. I believe the IQ explanation. When it comes to their control of the anti-white media, then frankly, the “sinister cabal bent on the destruction of Western civilization” explanation holds a lot more water.

    • Agree: jack ryan
    • Replies: @jack ryan
    @anon

    Yep.

    I liken the JQ media domination to Italian American domination of organized crime in the USA from the 1920s-70s.

    Sure other racial/ethnic groups were involved in organized crime during this period, but at the top Italian Mafia families dominated.

    It's the same with the "American" media - dominated by a J ethnic mafia. Even with Ted Turner's PC Lib Democrat politics, married to Hanoi Jane Fonda, Jewish Hollywood media mafia wouldn't accept this Southern Gentile in Jewish Hollywood - the merger of CNN/TBS with Time Warner Inc was a disaster for our people/civilization.

  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral
    She is supposed to be the "conservative" voice for the Washington Post, for the leftists what this means is that she needs to support all leftist social issues with the only differentiating feature being that she supports wars just a bit more than leftists. That was bad enough, but now the "conservative"voice is openly advocating support of the Democrat party, I just want to know if there are any people out there that describe themselves as right leaning that still seriously believe she is a conservative.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain, @Anon

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you’re the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she’s doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She’s just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it’s a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter’s level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she’s much too weak and submissive.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon

    Perhaps. But you assume much when you say that the group that Ms. Rubin wishes to belong is SJW. Maybe Rubin sees herself as a Jew and desires to promote Jewish interests and to be accepted by other Jews.

    In that case, she is not kowtowing to anyone. She is promoting policies that she believes helps her people and, in doing so, she is also praised by that community.

    Rubin may be stronger than you believe. At the very least, she may be looking to please a very different group than you assume.

    That you failed to consider the Jewish angle to Rubin's writings is curious.

    , @Pericles
    @Anon


    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers)

     

    Oh. I was thinking of another cult.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anon

    "This is why she’s doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. "

    What errors were those, then? Is she a conservative?

    "Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter’s level"

    It's true, and it's also true that Queen Ann, God bless her, doesn't come over as terribly feminine in her debating style, what with the employment of fact and logic, as well as her downright refusal to "go along to get along". By contrast, Cathy Newman's "debating" style is very feminine, though not in a good way (unless you think words like 'harridan' or 'termagant' are complimentary).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3rxbaECKIQ

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    "I’d be interested in hearing whether Alan Dershowitz considers Jennifer Rubin to be the most creative, intelligent, and hard-working person who could be working at the Post in her capacity."

    Dershowitz is being disingenuous. Most people are not bothered by Jewish success or even Jewish power. It's the abuse of that power.

    Even if it's true that much of Jewish wealth and power are well-deserved based on meritocracy, it doesn't mean Jews can abuse of Rule of Law or change the laws to suit their agendas or egos. It doesn't mean it's right for Jews to use their muscle to make US aid and abet Zionist oppression of Palestinians.

    It's like Bill Gates has a right to be rich. But that doesn't make him above the law. In a true democracy, even the richest people must abide by rule of law.

    But look how Jonathan Pollard got sprung from prison and was given a plush job. In contrast, Alt Right guys are 'doxed' and can't even get jobs waiting tables EVEN THOUGH all they did was exercise their free speech. And Arnon Milchan, despite admitting to spying and theft for Israel, can walk around with impunity in the US. Richard Spencer can't even go to the gym because some crazy woman screamed at him.

    Some nations are bigger and richer because the people achieved more there. But that still doesn't mean it has the right to just invade and push around smaller or weaker nations. That's imperialism, and now, US is into imperialist mode not least due to Jewish influence, esp in the Middle East and against Russia.

    Dershowitz is using misdirection. He's trying to frame the issue as one of 'anti-semites' being resentful of Jewish success. But Palestinians are not pissed because Jews are rich. It's because their land was taken and because they live under occupation. Critics of Neocons are not angry with Jews owning yachts or penthouses. They are angry with Jewish wealth funding whore politicians who gave green light to Wars for Israel based on lies.

    Worse than some Jews trampling on Rule of Law is their perversion of law itself to push their agenda. So, they push this bogus concept of 'hate speech' to shut down certain kinds of free speech. Or, they change the meaning of rights and marriage to push 'same sex marriage', a total abomination. Or, they fund politicians to criminalize BDS which is no different from boycott movements in 80s against South Africa.

    The issue is not Jewish success, wealth, and power. It's the abuse of that power.

    It's like Americans accept black domination in sports. What makes them angry is that so many of these successful athletes act with impunity and get away with all sorts of stuff because they're celebrities. How many times did OJ Simpson get out of tight spots because he was the Juice? And how many black college athletes got away with bad behavior because they were protected by the system addicted to Magic Negro cult, celebrity, and profits?

  56. It’s just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration – every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    Even supposedly Conservative” “Republican” congressmen like form House Majority Leader Eric Cantor are/were insane/traitorous on immigration.

    Once hard core Lib Leftists from the New School of Social Research – Tamar Jacoby go one day from being open borders immigration liberal Leftists to being

    Open borders immigration Libertarian free market folks writing for the cursed Wall Street Journal.

    And Tamar Jacoby sees no contradiction in demanding open borders immigration for the USA and Western Europe, but having Israel reserved as a Jewish Ethno State.

    Occasionally I correspond with regular Jewish Americans who try to do sensible immigration patriotism activism in Jewish/university communities.

    They despair that it’s hopeless.

    I console them for their honesty and hard work and tell them…

    It’s hopeless.

    American Jews suck on immigration – always have sucked, always will.

    Just ignore them – they are only 2% of the US population, it’s the same as turning off Jeff Zucker’s CNN or not caring what Rob “the Meathead” Reiner has to say about open borders immigration and racism as he enjoys his $12 million home on the beach in Malibu CA which is ~ 95% White, but still has some huge propaganda sign entering Malibu CA that

    “Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    Yeah, right Rob.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @jack ryan

    "Jews commit stupid self destructive behavior hurting themselves and others around them in their competition for power" is the tldr of the Old Testament. It remains to be seen if Israel will repeat history or if it is just the dispora Jews who will get themselves all slaughtered.

    , @nebulafox
    @jack ryan

    >“Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    For everybody with a six-digit salary.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @snorlax
    @jack ryan


    It’s just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration – every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.
     
    Not true: Of the two Jewish Republicans, Lee Zeldin of New York gets an “A” (despite representing a wealthy swing district), and David Kustoff of Tennessee gets a C+ because he’s a freshman (NumbersUSA gives congressmen with no voting record an initial grade of C); he’s never voted against the NumbersUSA position.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  57. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    Just turn the first 10 miles of the US Border over to the US Army – close some Army bases in North Carolina and Georgia.

    Also, announce that the Winter Olympics joint North and South Korean team means N and S Korea are united – no reason for 50,000 US troops to have to secure the DMZ between two groups of Koreans that now skate together.

    50,000 US Army troops can do some solid border control on our Southern border.

  58. @anon
    I'd be interested in hearing whether Alan Dershowitz considers Jennifer Rubin to be the most creative, intelligent, and hard-working person who could be working at the Post in her capacity.

    Because, let's face it. She's not intelligent. She's not creative. And she certainly isn't any more hard-working than hundreds of bloggers who do it for free.

    So how does he explain the fact that she has this job, and one of those bloggers doesn't?

    When it comes to Jewish physicists or Jewish microbiologists or something, then sure. I believe the IQ explanation. When it comes to their control of the anti-white media, then frankly, the "sinister cabal bent on the destruction of Western civilization" explanation holds a lot more water.

    Replies: @jack ryan

    Yep.

    I liken the JQ media domination to Italian American domination of organized crime in the USA from the 1920s-70s.

    Sure other racial/ethnic groups were involved in organized crime during this period, but at the top Italian Mafia families dominated.

    It’s the same with the “American” media – dominated by a J ethnic mafia. Even with Ted Turner’s PC Lib Democrat politics, married to Hanoi Jane Fonda, Jewish Hollywood media mafia wouldn’t accept this Southern Gentile in Jewish Hollywood – the merger of CNN/TBS with Time Warner Inc was a disaster for our people/civilization.

  59. “we get one step closer to Trump’s view of an America that looks like Norway”

    Sounds good to me. I’m getting a bit tired of an America that looks like Somalia.

  60. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    It always amuses me how neo-cons like Rubin and Michael Medved always use superlatives to describe spending they don't like. In the case of the wall, it's "eye-popping" when in reality it's a little more than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget. In other words, it's a rounding error.

    Medved is even more innumerate, if that's possible. For some reason, he has a visceral dislike of Amtrak, and uses his radio show to fulminate against "stupid choo choo trains" (he too is against a border wall, which will surprise no one who has heard his show). Undoubtedly Medved thinks he is showing the world how tough he is on wasteful spending, when in reality Amtrak's annual subsidy is $1.5 billion dollars or about $5 per person, per year for everyone who lives in the USA. I'm pretty sure that the 20 million illegals who Medved insists cannot be deported* cost every one of us more than $5 a year.

    * A favorite trick of Medved's is to put callers on his show who are against illegal immigration. The callers are invariably elderly and sometimes have trouble expressing their train of thought clearly. Medved will allow them to box themselves into a rhetorical corner, and when the moment is right triumphantly bellow "YOU CAN'T DEPORT 12 MILLION PEOPLE!" and cut the call short. It's not quite elder abuse, but here's a so-called conservative radio host snarling in disdain at old people who disagree with him, while sometimes making the point that he thinks Michael Savage (who he never mentions by name) is a purveyor of "hate."

    Replies: @jack ryan, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I confess that I hate open border neo conservative traitors like Medved.

    I support arresting them and forcing Medved to….

    Build the wall or else go try to police the occupied West Bank of the Jordan river or Gaza Strip.

  61. an eye-popping $25 billion for a wall and other security measures (Isn’t Mexico supposed to foot the bill?),

    Ask the DACA recipients who want amnesty to pay a fee for the amnesty and use that money to finance the wall, and simply don’t ask Congress for a single penny.

  62. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it’s a reasonable wager would never hire Will today.
     
    How do Will's opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks? Will served the agenda of those who hired him, same as any of these new people do. Will isn't published today because he's old. He's a tired, worn-out old cuck, beloved only by cucks. There are newer, younger people available to sell out their ostensible "conservative" principles and/or their race.

    Replies: @jack ryan, @Art Deco

    Agreed and well said.

    George Will played the role of

    Court Conservative – pretending that the only types of acceptable opinion are PC Lib Leftism and George Will’s Conservatism which is

    Open borders immigration to the USA
    Endless wars for Israel
    In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will won/lost Instauration Magazine’s White traitor of the year award for making this career out of being the fake conservative opposition.

    Plus he also pretends to know everything about baseball – he knows nothing.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @jack ryan

    George Will played the role of...[advocating] Open borders immigration to the USA Endless wars for Israel, In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will during the 2006 or 2007 amnesty push: 'It would take hundreds of thousands of buses stretching from Houston to Mars to deport all the illegals living in the United States!'

    George Will during the Obama Era invasion of "unaccompanied minors": 'It's no big deal - there are only 3 of them per county!'

    IOW, the problem of illegal immigration is either too small to worry about or too big to do anything about. When is the problem just the right size to both worry about and do something about? Maybe Goldilocks Will will tell us someday.

    Besides being a fan of baseball George Will also happens to fancy himself an expert on the US airline industry, about which he's probably written a dozen or more columns. So perhaps if he crunched the numbers he'd realize that the number of illegals in the US is, at most, about 2% of the annual traffic of the US airline industry - i.e., we already have the capacity to deport every single illegal from this country in the space of a year.

    I used to be a big fan of George Will. I still have every collection of his columns - and read every single one - up through ca. 2005. They're still on some bookshelf somewhere in my house. I stopped paying much attention to him, though, after he turned into a whore for the cheap labor lobby. He shat on his legacy for a quick buck, and that's all there is to say about it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  63. @Tiny Duck
    The one conclusion which can be easily drawn from the Trump proposal is that a significant reduction in legal black and Hispanic immigrants will reduce the pressure of legal votes on white, nativist elements. In essence they strive to avoid what is really a force of nature -- that is to say the continued intermingling of the races. The plan may win the white establishment a few more elections, but the tide of history appears to be against it.

    Walls can be torn down, ruined lives are much harder to fix.

    Leonard Pitts has written extensively on white men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @SunBakedSuburb, @fish

    Pittsfield, Massachusetts was named after Leonard Pitts. The people of the town were so enamored of the way Pitts extensively writes about White men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege that they decided to rename their town. Leonard Pitts was also the inspiration for many Norman Rockwell paintings while he visited Pittsfield to celebrate the town changing its name.

    Pittsfield in WSJ recently because a museum wants to take advantage of the asset bubble in the art market by selling two Rockwell paintings. Rockwell family members and townspeople say don’t sell. The asset bubble in the art market is caused by central bank monetary extremism and plutocrats bidding up prices to get even richer. Dennis Hopper, before he croaked, was wise to the art market scam and he profited from it.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fight-at-berkshire-museum-doesnt-look-like-a-norman-rockwell-painting-1517157253

  64. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    It always amuses me how neo-cons like Rubin and Michael Medved always use superlatives to describe spending they don't like. In the case of the wall, it's "eye-popping" when in reality it's a little more than 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget. In other words, it's a rounding error.

    Medved is even more innumerate, if that's possible. For some reason, he has a visceral dislike of Amtrak, and uses his radio show to fulminate against "stupid choo choo trains" (he too is against a border wall, which will surprise no one who has heard his show). Undoubtedly Medved thinks he is showing the world how tough he is on wasteful spending, when in reality Amtrak's annual subsidy is $1.5 billion dollars or about $5 per person, per year for everyone who lives in the USA. I'm pretty sure that the 20 million illegals who Medved insists cannot be deported* cost every one of us more than $5 a year.

    * A favorite trick of Medved's is to put callers on his show who are against illegal immigration. The callers are invariably elderly and sometimes have trouble expressing their train of thought clearly. Medved will allow them to box themselves into a rhetorical corner, and when the moment is right triumphantly bellow "YOU CAN'T DEPORT 12 MILLION PEOPLE!" and cut the call short. It's not quite elder abuse, but here's a so-called conservative radio host snarling in disdain at old people who disagree with him, while sometimes making the point that he thinks Michael Savage (who he never mentions by name) is a purveyor of "hate."

    Replies: @jack ryan, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    At least Rubin & Medved have decided to fully remove the mask. What should be more worrying is they could be putting out back channel requests to the likes of David Milliband & George Soros:

    “Dear David & George: Our Population Replacement agenda is encountering unexpected resistance in Washington. Please issue new orders to the Rescue Committee’s fleet of Trans-Mediterranean ships. We require immediate population transfers from West Africa to Florida. In order to keep the Browning of America on pace, we’ll need a minimum of 1000 Africans per week expedited to the east coast of Florida. Beginning ASAP & until Trump is impeached. Request is Urgent. Tikun Olam. Jennifer & Michael out. ”

  65. @Anon
    @neutral

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you're the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she's doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She's just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it's a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter's level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she's much too weak and submissive.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    Perhaps. But you assume much when you say that the group that Ms. Rubin wishes to belong is SJW. Maybe Rubin sees herself as a Jew and desires to promote Jewish interests and to be accepted by other Jews.

    In that case, she is not kowtowing to anyone. She is promoting policies that she believes helps her people and, in doing so, she is also praised by that community.

    Rubin may be stronger than you believe. At the very least, she may be looking to please a very different group than you assume.

    That you failed to consider the Jewish angle to Rubin’s writings is curious.

  66. @jimmyriddle
    Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @Wilkey

    The greatest poet was probably Ogden Nash. Who can ever forget those immortal words – “Hippity hoppity, here come the Wapiti”.

    Or the best poet may have been Everett Dirksen – “A billion, here, a billion there. And it soon adds up to real money”.

  67. Another day, another Jewish pundit making it clear to all but the most obtuse of the goyim that many prominent Jews despise Americans and the civilization their ancestors created.

    Deport Rubin to Israel now for own good. Let her live in peace and harmony among the noble people of the tribe where the vile goyim are nowhere to be found and the skies are not cloudy all day.

  68. @Tyrion 2
    The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn't even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Cindy, @Pat Boyle, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Faraday's Bobcat

    In my etymological research I have recently discovered the source of the now common term – “Bat Shit Crazy”. It was coined to describe the workings of the “lottery visa”.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  69. @Viral Architect
    Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

    Jennifer Rubin is "conservative" in the same way as North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. And she isn't very bright either. White privilege at work once again.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rogue-one, @Father O'Hara, @Pericles

    Just another pretty face.

  70. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    I don’t think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    $25 billion is more than sufficient–if you can keep out all the lawyer, enviro and other parasites.

    People act like the Wall is some sort of gargantuan never before attempted scale construction project. It’s not. The Wall–even in concrete–would be roughly half an interstate highway, turned on it’s side. We have 50,000 miles of interstate highway. The Wall is would be roughly half–ok 2/3–of I10.

    When i was a kid and the interstates were being thrown up, the word was “a million dollars a mile”. That dollar isn’t worth so much and $10m per mile is a pretty good estimate of actual construction costs. (It’s quite a bit more expensive in cities, with interchanges, keeping traffic going during construction, etc.)

    And the truth is we don’t need a concrete wall everywhere. A serious triple layer fence–border road, high razor wire fence, service road, the really high super strong “wall” fence (steel bars, that you can see through and shoot through), border patrol road, interior fence (to keep folks inside from messing with the fence)–along with sensors, cameras and border patrol posts would make the border basically impenetrable for anything less than military level assault. The coyotes sneaking people past the wall would be done.

    This is all easily affordable. The potential savings in just a year’s worth of the welfare state for future illegals kept out whom we wouldn’t have to pay for, would cover it. It’s social welfare–schools, medical care, retirement, cash welfare, housing, food stamps, social workers/bureaucracy, prisons–not infrastructure that sucks up the budget, and low-productivity people who don’t pull their weight in taxes are super-expensive. Every one you keep out (or keep from being born) is a frigging gold mine.

  71. @Cindy
    @Tyrion 2

    "Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?"

    Naw, honey. This is how they wish to pick *your* future neighbors.

    Replies: @Penguinchip

    Bingo.

  72. @interesting
    The reality is all the people I know don't give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I'm sick of these insane people race baiting in all things.....like Hillary did for 18 months while campaigning.

    The left is a one trick pony, every single thing is about race. And I for one am sick and tired of it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @Anonymous

    I live in London England.
    I’ve lived there for over 50 years.
    I disagree with you entirely – based on the observations of a lifetime.

  73. @Charles Pewitt
    Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post Neo-Conservative Jew, is ugly in her facial features and her anti-White hatred towards the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Do not discount the unbridled hatred for creation itself by some of these people who are ugly bastards. Jennifer Rubin is allowing the horrible fact that she is an ugly anti-White bitch to taint every damn word she scratches out.

    Jews such as Jennifer Rubin are ugly, immoral, irresponsible and evil in pushing for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Jennifer Rubin is an ungrateful Jew who is attacking the nation that afforded her people refuge.

    Now, here is a Jennifer Rubin, who I have never heard of, who appears to be Jewish and somewhat beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/JenniferKollinR/status/585242554381238272

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Faraday's Bobcat

    Attack a woman’s beauty, make yourself ugly.

  74. @Anon
    Hamlet's question, 'To be or not to be' now weighs on the entire West.

    To survive or not to survive. And it's not about one person but the entire civilization.

    And yet, it's not just a collective question but a personal-psychological question since the West cannot choose to BE unless each Western person feels within his heart and mind that he and his kind deserve to live and survive on their lands.

    They did Julius Caesar in Central Park about Trump. But Trumplet might be closer to what is happening. Trump asked the question, and his answer is To Be. He sees no reason why Germany should choose Not To Be.

    Caesar was an empire-builder. He was not a Rome Firster but an empire builder. So, others killed him to preserve the republic.
    In contrast, Trump, despite neocon pressures, is still more nationalist than empire builder.
    He wants America To Be. And the conspiracy afoot to poison him is to destroy nationalism forever in favor of Caesarian globo empire.

    It comes down to Tobes vs Notobes.

    Patriots want the Real West to be, whereas globalists wanted it not to be.

    Like confused Hamlet, the West is now torn between two tendencies. One toward life and self-preservation and one toward doubt and demise.
    Not only a 50/50 psychological split but 50/50 demographic split.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxMxjEogq8

    Replies: @Luke Lea, @MEH 0910, @JamesG

  75. @Viral Architect
    Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

    Jennifer Rubin is "conservative" in the same way as North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. And she isn't very bright either. White privilege at work once again.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rogue-one, @Father O'Hara, @Pericles

    Right Turn

    That’s a long, long turn taken by a slow, slow driver. Might by some be mistaken for a left turn.

  76. @Tiny Duck
    The one conclusion which can be easily drawn from the Trump proposal is that a significant reduction in legal black and Hispanic immigrants will reduce the pressure of legal votes on white, nativist elements. In essence they strive to avoid what is really a force of nature -- that is to say the continued intermingling of the races. The plan may win the white establishment a few more elections, but the tide of history appears to be against it.

    Walls can be torn down, ruined lives are much harder to fix.

    Leonard Pitts has written extensively on white men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @SunBakedSuburb, @fish

    Tiny Duck is obsessed with White wombs because he’s White.

  77. @interesting
    The reality is all the people I know don't give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I'm sick of these insane people race baiting in all things.....like Hillary did for 18 months while campaigning.

    The left is a one trick pony, every single thing is about race. And I for one am sick and tired of it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @Anonymous

    The reality is all the people I know don’t give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I’m sick of these insane people race baiting in all things….

    They’re mostly the kids of the immigrants you like, btw.

  78. @Anon
    @neutral

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you're the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she's doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She's just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it's a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter's level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she's much too weak and submissive.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers)

    Oh. I was thinking of another cult.

  79. @Anonymous
    (((Rubin)))

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Malcolm X-Lax

    There’s nothing wrong with Jennifer Rubin hating white gentiles.

    Given some of the “unpleasantness” between Jews and whites over the years, that’s an unsurprising attitude. Jews generally have their particular spin on this conflict where some magic irrational gentile “anti-semitism!” rather than Jewish separatism, supremacy and behavior are at the root of this. I think this is basically nonsense–real human beings the world tend to react to other tribes’ behavior in pretty predictable ways (the weird exception is actually white gentiles today!). But everyone is entitled to their fantasies. Heck, ugly girls convince themselves “men are assholes!” to explain their lack of male attention.

    What is despicable–vile–about Jews like Jennifer Rubin is that she doesn’t just leave and go to Israel to live with her own kind, but shits all over the people who founded this nation, built it from the ground up and make it the peaceful and prosperous nation that it is, and worse works tirelessly to destroy what our ancestors built.

    You don’t want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller–fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us–you’re an odious creep.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AnotherDad

    You don’t want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller–fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us–you’re an odious creep.

    It's worth reminding them, whenever possible, that 115 IQ or not, they need us a lot more than we need them.

    , @Rod1963
    @AnotherDad

    Treat people like Rubin, Stephens, Brooks,(including the cloud people) as saboteurs and revolutionaries because that's what they are. They are here to destroy our country and make no bones about it.

    They are in our faces and screaming it for all intents and purposes. "We hate whitey and his culture and want them replaced by stupid brown skinned people". They and their associates work tirelessly to subvert our legal, educational and social systems to turn them against white Americans and their culture/values.

    They won't stop until we stop them and it won't be with reason either since they prefer to act as lunatics. IOW expect it to get increasingly ugly.

  80. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with Jennifer Rubin hating white gentiles.

    Given some of the "unpleasantness" between Jews and whites over the years, that's an unsurprising attitude. Jews generally have their particular spin on this conflict where some magic irrational gentile "anti-semitism!" rather than Jewish separatism, supremacy and behavior are at the root of this. I think this is basically nonsense--real human beings the world tend to react to other tribes' behavior in pretty predictable ways (the weird exception is actually white gentiles today!). But everyone is entitled to their fantasies. Heck, ugly girls convince themselves "men are assholes!" to explain their lack of male attention.


    What is despicable--vile--about Jews like Jennifer Rubin is that she doesn't just leave and go to Israel to live with her own kind, but shits all over the people who founded this nation, built it from the ground up and make it the peaceful and prosperous nation that it is, and worse works tirelessly to destroy what our ancestors built.

    You don't want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller--fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us--you're an odious creep.

    Replies: @anon, @Rod1963

    You don’t want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller–fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us–you’re an odious creep.

    It’s worth reminding them, whenever possible, that 115 IQ or not, they need us a lot more than we need them.

  81. @jack ryan
    It's just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration - every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    Even supposedly Conservative" "Republican" congressmen like form House Majority Leader Eric Cantor are/were insane/traitorous on immigration.

    Once hard core Lib Leftists from the New School of Social Research - Tamar Jacoby go one day from being open borders immigration liberal Leftists to being

    Open borders immigration Libertarian free market folks writing for the cursed Wall Street Journal.

    And Tamar Jacoby sees no contradiction in demanding open borders immigration for the USA and Western Europe, but having Israel reserved as a Jewish Ethno State.

    Occasionally I correspond with regular Jewish Americans who try to do sensible immigration patriotism activism in Jewish/university communities.

    They despair that it's hopeless.

    I console them for their honesty and hard work and tell them...

    It's hopeless.

    American Jews suck on immigration - always have sucked, always will.

    Just ignore them - they are only 2% of the US population, it's the same as turning off Jeff Zucker's CNN or not caring what Rob "the Meathead" Reiner has to say about open borders immigration and racism as he enjoys his $12 million home on the beach in Malibu CA which is ~ 95% White, but still has some huge propaganda sign entering Malibu CA that

    "Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City"

    Yeah, right Rob.

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @nebulafox, @snorlax

    “Jews commit stupid self destructive behavior hurting themselves and others around them in their competition for power” is the tldr of the Old Testament. It remains to be seen if Israel will repeat history or if it is just the dispora Jews who will get themselves all slaughtered.

  82. @Anonymous
    I'm fascinated by the idea that empires often end up destroying the nations that spawn them. And actually add no real value to the people of the nation.

    This may be because, at least for the last few centuries, this means taking on a bunch of low IQ people, who end up being more a burden than "cheap labor".

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @L Woods

    The reason is because empires result in elite infighting. Once all the external enemies are gone, people turn on each other to get that ‘hurting others and expressing dominance’ high. Foreigners are useful since they don’t have any existing ties with the result they are imported and gradually replace the original population who decline through either direct killing or sabotaging each other with things like feminism or other insane social crazes.

  83. @Anonymous
    (((Rubin)))

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Echo quotes are unnecessary ‘round these parts.

  84. @Charles Pewitt
    Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post Neo-Conservative Jew, is ugly in her facial features and her anti-White hatred towards the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Do not discount the unbridled hatred for creation itself by some of these people who are ugly bastards. Jennifer Rubin is allowing the horrible fact that she is an ugly anti-White bitch to taint every damn word she scratches out.

    Jews such as Jennifer Rubin are ugly, immoral, irresponsible and evil in pushing for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Jennifer Rubin is an ungrateful Jew who is attacking the nation that afforded her people refuge.

    Now, here is a Jennifer Rubin, who I have never heard of, who appears to be Jewish and somewhat beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/JenniferKollinR/status/585242554381238272

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Faraday's Bobcat

    Cathy Young makes Jennifer Rubin look like a young Elizabeth Taylor.

  85. Evolution of Jewish view of America: From White-topia to White-phobia.

  86. @IHTG
    She's a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Clyde, @Mr. Anon, @SMK

    Yes, a Holocaust haunted paranoid psychotic loon. Slightly reducing the number of non-white aliens who enter the country each year -which I doubt will occur- will not “whiten” the U.S. but simply delay the inevitable: the transformation of the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country in which the rise of a Nazi-like regime will be impossible (in Rubin’s demented imagination) but in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority -with the exception, at least for some time, of the rich and affluent, like Rubin.

    If only we could send her and her ilk to France when Muslims, the worst jew-haters on earth, become a majority -precluding the rise of a Nazi-regime. And she’s a “conservative.”

  87. @jack ryan
    It's just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration - every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    Even supposedly Conservative" "Republican" congressmen like form House Majority Leader Eric Cantor are/were insane/traitorous on immigration.

    Once hard core Lib Leftists from the New School of Social Research - Tamar Jacoby go one day from being open borders immigration liberal Leftists to being

    Open borders immigration Libertarian free market folks writing for the cursed Wall Street Journal.

    And Tamar Jacoby sees no contradiction in demanding open borders immigration for the USA and Western Europe, but having Israel reserved as a Jewish Ethno State.

    Occasionally I correspond with regular Jewish Americans who try to do sensible immigration patriotism activism in Jewish/university communities.

    They despair that it's hopeless.

    I console them for their honesty and hard work and tell them...

    It's hopeless.

    American Jews suck on immigration - always have sucked, always will.

    Just ignore them - they are only 2% of the US population, it's the same as turning off Jeff Zucker's CNN or not caring what Rob "the Meathead" Reiner has to say about open borders immigration and racism as he enjoys his $12 million home on the beach in Malibu CA which is ~ 95% White, but still has some huge propaganda sign entering Malibu CA that

    "Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City"

    Yeah, right Rob.

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @nebulafox, @snorlax

    >“Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    For everybody with a six-digit salary.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @nebulafox


    >“Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    For everybody with a six-digit salary.
     
    I thought it was up to seven by now.
  88. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon


    In the US, Jewish elites won’t be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.
     
    The only Jews that I've ever known personally to question large-scale immigration live in Fairfax and way eastern Loudoun counties, VA. The nicer parts of these counties have seen huge Asian and Indian immigration over the past 25 years. The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations. They are very much into starting businesses and getting rich. They do business within their group when possible. They get involved in politics. And they push their kids to excel academically.

    For the first time in who knows how long, Jews are going up against groups that fight back and can't be rolled by guilt. Can Jews compete against these other groups? Sure, though the Asians and Indians are hungrier. But the point is that some Jews are waking up to just what diversity means. They're replacing pliable white goys with hard-driving, tribal Asians and Indians. Big mistake.

    Replies: @Anon

    The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations.

    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.

    Hindus are a lot savvier and keener about ways of power. Hindus can’t be earnest about anything since everyone has to negotiate for advantage in India where cohesion of any kind is rare. So Hindus don’t grow up trusting people or institutions. It makes for a messy society but also one where people are primed for multi-level competition.

    Also, Hindu numbers are growing and Hindus have a long history of reading white minds.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon


    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.
     
    Mostly true, but they are still competitive and have zero guilt about anything that has happened to the Jews. That alone makes them more of a problem than white goys.

    I'm not saying that Jews can't handle the competition. I'm simply saying that they will face competition at all. They've had the game to themselves for 50 years, at least.

    Replies: @Anon

  89. @Anon
    @neutral

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you're the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she's doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She's just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it's a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter's level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she's much too weak and submissive.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    “This is why she’s doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. “

    What errors were those, then? Is she a conservative?

    “Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter’s level”

    It’s true, and it’s also true that Queen Ann, God bless her, doesn’t come over as terribly feminine in her debating style, what with the employment of fact and logic, as well as her downright refusal to “go along to get along”. By contrast, Cathy Newman’s “debating” style is very feminine, though not in a good way (unless you think words like ‘harridan’ or ‘termagant’ are complimentary).

  90. @Tyrion 2
    The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn't even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Cindy, @Pat Boyle, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Faraday's Bobcat

    “These journalists wouldn’t even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?”

    No, this is how they pick YOUR future neighbors. They will safely ensconce themselves behind big beautiful walls defended by heavily armed guards.

  91. I don’t write for a living, but Ms. Rubin’s article is sophomoric.

  92. @Tiny Duck
    The one conclusion which can be easily drawn from the Trump proposal is that a significant reduction in legal black and Hispanic immigrants will reduce the pressure of legal votes on white, nativist elements. In essence they strive to avoid what is really a force of nature -- that is to say the continued intermingling of the races. The plan may win the white establishment a few more elections, but the tide of history appears to be against it.

    Walls can be torn down, ruined lives are much harder to fix.

    Leonard Pitts has written extensively on white men fearing their loss of power and unfair privilege.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @SunBakedSuburb, @fish

    Ohs Tinys…..!

  93. @jack ryan
    It's just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration - every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    Even supposedly Conservative" "Republican" congressmen like form House Majority Leader Eric Cantor are/were insane/traitorous on immigration.

    Once hard core Lib Leftists from the New School of Social Research - Tamar Jacoby go one day from being open borders immigration liberal Leftists to being

    Open borders immigration Libertarian free market folks writing for the cursed Wall Street Journal.

    And Tamar Jacoby sees no contradiction in demanding open borders immigration for the USA and Western Europe, but having Israel reserved as a Jewish Ethno State.

    Occasionally I correspond with regular Jewish Americans who try to do sensible immigration patriotism activism in Jewish/university communities.

    They despair that it's hopeless.

    I console them for their honesty and hard work and tell them...

    It's hopeless.

    American Jews suck on immigration - always have sucked, always will.

    Just ignore them - they are only 2% of the US population, it's the same as turning off Jeff Zucker's CNN or not caring what Rob "the Meathead" Reiner has to say about open borders immigration and racism as he enjoys his $12 million home on the beach in Malibu CA which is ~ 95% White, but still has some huge propaganda sign entering Malibu CA that

    "Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City"

    Yeah, right Rob.

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @nebulafox, @snorlax

    It’s just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration – every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    Not true: Of the two Jewish Republicans, Lee Zeldin of New York gets an “A” (despite representing a wealthy swing district), and David Kustoff of Tennessee gets a C+ because he’s a freshman (NumbersUSA gives congressmen with no voting record an initial grade of C); he’s never voted against the NumbersUSA position.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @snorlax

    I think he's talking about the globalist activists and not people like Dennis Prager. Is Steve King Jewish?

  94. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with Jennifer Rubin hating white gentiles.

    Given some of the "unpleasantness" between Jews and whites over the years, that's an unsurprising attitude. Jews generally have their particular spin on this conflict where some magic irrational gentile "anti-semitism!" rather than Jewish separatism, supremacy and behavior are at the root of this. I think this is basically nonsense--real human beings the world tend to react to other tribes' behavior in pretty predictable ways (the weird exception is actually white gentiles today!). But everyone is entitled to their fantasies. Heck, ugly girls convince themselves "men are assholes!" to explain their lack of male attention.


    What is despicable--vile--about Jews like Jennifer Rubin is that she doesn't just leave and go to Israel to live with her own kind, but shits all over the people who founded this nation, built it from the ground up and make it the peaceful and prosperous nation that it is, and worse works tirelessly to destroy what our ancestors built.

    You don't want to embrace the American people and nation and make them your own like Stephen Miller--fine. But then just get the hell out. Sit here and shit on us--you're an odious creep.

    Replies: @anon, @Rod1963

    Treat people like Rubin, Stephens, Brooks,(including the cloud people) as saboteurs and revolutionaries because that’s what they are. They are here to destroy our country and make no bones about it.

    They are in our faces and screaming it for all intents and purposes. “We hate whitey and his culture and want them replaced by stupid brown skinned people”. They and their associates work tirelessly to subvert our legal, educational and social systems to turn them against white Americans and their culture/values.

    They won’t stop until we stop them and it won’t be with reason either since they prefer to act as lunatics. IOW expect it to get increasingly ugly.

  95. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    We can use cheap Mexican labor. Or, since we are already paying welfare, use welfare recipient labor as a condition of benefits.

  96. @nebulafox
    @jack ryan

    >“Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    For everybody with a six-digit salary.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    >“Malibu CA is a Sanctuary City”

    For everybody with a six-digit salary.

    I thought it was up to seven by now.

  97. So it was about dispossessing white people all along?

    Oh dear, someone has let the Katz out of the bag…

  98. @songbird
    @Yan Shen

    Lee Kuan Yew had a cohesive Chinese majority to work with.

    Curiously, there was a man called "Lee Kuan" mentioned in the '60s Star Trek show who was called an authoritarian and compared to Hitler. I don't believe he was supposed to be the same man, but he obviously seems to have been inspired by him, so whoever wrote the episode probably did not like him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He wasn’t a character, he was a reference.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Kuan

    Doubt Lee Kuan Yew was on Hollywood writers’ radar screens in 1968. The fictional Lee Kuan was supposed to be a major conqueror, not the boss of a Hanseatic mandarinate.

  99. @Anonymous
    Strangely, Teddy Kennedy never sold his 1965 Immigration Act as an attempt to 'darken' America.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Strangely, the 1965 act was called Hart-Celler. Representative Celler had spent thirty-some years trying to get such an act passed, before Teddy Kennedy ever was elected to the Senate, in November 1962, to fill the final two years of President Kennedy’s remaining term, from his November 1958 reelection to the Senate. When LBJ signed Hart-Celler into law, on October 3, 1965, Teddy Kennedy had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for well under three full years. His brother, Bobby, had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for only nine months. Their brother, Jack, had been planted beneath the eternal flame, at Arlington National Cemetery, for the better part of two years.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @D. K.

    Yep, those Kennedy's had nothing to do with the immigration invasion, did they? And Teddy was not culpable, right? Except that: He not only did 65, he did 90 too, including the idiotic lottery. You Kennedy acolytes are oh so happy to pretend that Teddy wasn't central to what we face today.

    Teddy Kennedy was a traitor, a vicious liar and pathological hater of America. And that is beside him murdering Mary Jo Kopechne.

    Replies: @D. K.

  100. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    George Will has also been employed by these people, but he was hired at a time when editors thought it was lame to have an op-ed page consisting of people who had the same basic stance, over 400 papers once bought his syndicated column, and he has a looong career in broadcasting. The people who run PBS and ABC News it’s a reasonable wager would never hire Will today.
     
    How do Will's opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks? Will served the agenda of those who hired him, same as any of these new people do. Will isn't published today because he's old. He's a tired, worn-out old cuck, beloved only by cucks. There are newer, younger people available to sell out their ostensible "conservative" principles and/or their race.

    Replies: @jack ryan, @Art Deco

    How do Will’s opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks?

    What’s your frame of reference? Will has a publication record dating back to his time on the faculty of the University of Toronto fifty years ago. To the extent his stances have changed over that time, it’s been in a libertarian direction.

    Rubin has been justly accused of being incoherent, improvisational, and given to acting as a press agent for particular politicians (e.g. Mitt Romney). That doesn’t describe Will. Will’s never been an admirer of Obama, which Brooks certainly was. Nor can you argue that Will’s career in topical commentary was derived from being a pet or poseur, since he was an astringent antagonist to the Republican establishment as it was in 1975, not to mention regnant opinion in the Democratic Party. Will is comically hostile to Trump, which I think is an indication of senescence and the influence of his wife, who is the exemplary Republican inner-ringer. (His first wife is a lobbyist as well, but doesn’t have business clients).

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Art Deco

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  101. @Mr. Anon
    @IHTG


    She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.
     
    Who? Who "hates" her? She doesn't seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident "conservative" columnist at the Washington Post.

    I find it amusing when people like IHTG (for ethnically self-interested reasons) or Art Deco (because he is stupid) wave off the only barely masked anti-white hostility of people like Rubin by saying, in effect - oh, pay those people no mind, they are irrelevant nobodies, without influence, and nobody listens to them.

    Yeah - that's how I know when somebody has no influence..............when they write a column for the f**king Washington Post.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @guest, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens. However, her work has been cut to pieces by Charles C.W. Cooke, who is on the staff of National Review.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Is there a difference between problematizing someone's analysis and personally hating their guts -- oh, asking the wrong person.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens.
     
    "Combox"? You have your own peculiar little vocabulary.

    What is your website? A Cuckbox?
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    He wasn’t a character, he was a reference.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Kuan

    Doubt Lee Kuan Yew was on Hollywood writers’ radar screens in 1968. The fictional Lee Kuan was supposed to be a major conqueror, not the boss of a Hanseatic mandarinate.
     
    Wouldn't surprise me if his name was plucked out of the air not because of his personal characteristics, but because of his gem of a Meet the Press interview back on October 22 1967:, back when LBJ was staging one of his half-baked on-and-off bombing campaigns against unimportant targets in North Vietnam. (LBJ held back because of his paranoia about drawing China into the war):


    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  102. L Woods says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm fascinated by the idea that empires often end up destroying the nations that spawn them. And actually add no real value to the people of the nation.

    This may be because, at least for the last few centuries, this means taking on a bunch of low IQ people, who end up being more a burden than "cheap labor".

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner, @L Woods

    Moreover, even insofar as they might conceivably benefit the people that built it, it’s considered a bad thing. Sure, the U.S. empire has killed millions of people in service of utterly dubious causes…but the thought that it might have “privileged” the every day white working stiff is what really can’t be countenanced.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @L Woods

    Sure, the U.S. empire has killed millions of people in service of utterly dubious causes

    I see the volkisch element is still pissed about losing WWii.

  103. @JSM
    @Anon


    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration
     
    Yep. Dominican Republic. In the late 1930s, the president of Dominican Republic offered the Jews of Europe to come there. He promised to resettle up to 100,000 of them with acreage, a mule, and a start-up loan of 10K at 1% interest (a gift package worth, in today's dollars $166K).

    Strangely, very few Jews took him up on it. About 700 out of the 100,000 President Rafael Trujillo promised to take in.

    Just imagine the good that the Jews could have done there... imagine all the former slaves that 100K Jewish landholders could have employed at high wages.
    But, no. Funny that. Wonder why?

    Replies: @Big Bill

    Because there isn’t enough money/success/power available in the Dominican Republic (or Israel, for that matter). Who wants to be King of the Dwarves? Who wants to be the Richest Man in Podunk, Idaho?

    Why did Eugene Volokh and his family leave Russia, refuse to move to Israel and settle in the USA? Eugene and his kin would be just another bunch of johnny-come-lately Russian immigrants in Israel, competing against well-established Ashkenazi Jews who already had a lock on the elite upper reaches of Israeli society (and similar high IQs). The Volokhs would have had to fight like dogs to get a piece of the pie in Israel. Worse, that piece would have been rather small, since Israel is a tiny market.

    Better to move to America with a (relatively) dumb but tractable white goy population swimming in cash, living peaceful, safe, sheep-like lives where you can aspire to be a Supreme Court Justice or a rich programmer (a la Zuck) or industrial magnate (a la Musk) with relatively little competition (and no requirement to join the military and risk your life for your country!).

    For Jews in 1939, the Dominican Republic was a step down from Europe. The US was a step up.

    For the Volokhs in the 1970s, Israel was a step down from Russia. The US was a step up.

    Simple economics.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @Big Bill

    Yup.

  104. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens. However, her work has been cut to pieces by Charles C.W. Cooke, who is on the staff of National Review.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke

    Is there a difference between problematizing someone’s analysis and personally hating their guts — oh, asking the wrong person.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @J.Ross

    Is there a difference between problematizing someone’s analysis and personally hating their guts

    Yes. And there's no shortage of Unz denizens unclear on the concept.

  105. @snorlax
    @jack ryan


    It’s just reality that American Jews are insane, treasonous on immigration – every last Jewish Congressman or Senator from both parties gets an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.
     
    Not true: Of the two Jewish Republicans, Lee Zeldin of New York gets an “A” (despite representing a wealthy swing district), and David Kustoff of Tennessee gets a C+ because he’s a freshman (NumbersUSA gives congressmen with no voting record an initial grade of C); he’s never voted against the NumbersUSA position.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I think he’s talking about the globalist activists and not people like Dennis Prager. Is Steve King Jewish?

  106. “With the cancellation of that program, we get one step closer to Trump’s view of an America that looks like Norway.”

    Or an America that looks like America. You know, before the floodgates opened.*

    I live in MN, which has far too many Norsks. They’re ruining the state every bit as much as other ethnic minorities, but still I’m puzzled by the idea that people think America looking like Norway is a bad thing.

    Trump’s greatest strength continues to be pulling this sort of thing out of people. This is supposed to be a conservative writer.** Ten years ago, would she be arguing against something explicitly because it envisions a White America? I wouldn’t expect her to argue for whiteness, especially given her background. But coming out and arguing against something *because* it’s good for whites until recently wasn’t even heard on the left, let alone the NYT-approved right.

    Trump compels wolves to strip off their sheep disguises.

    *In the Bad Old Days when we condemned innocents to genocide across the ocean. Right, Jenny?

    **Granted, she’s probably only viewed that way because when a Hollywood labor lawyer decides to become a columnist, it’s easier to get published in the Weekly Standard, Commentary , and such-like than more competitive outlets. Assuming she didn’t advance because of “gonnections” and secret handshakes. And of course a certain you-know-who mindset is regarded as “conservative” by default.

  107. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew’s

    blah blah blah quack quack quack.

    If you love him so much, move to South Korea. He’s not *my* champ. I’m a White person; my champ is Donald Trump (at least until / unless he signs amnesty, then I will cheer to see him impeached by the Left.)

  108. @Tyrion 2
    The idea of a lottery visa is beyond satire. These journalists wouldn't even play the real lottery themselves because only stupid people do that. Yet this is how they wish to pick their future neighbours?

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Cindy, @Pat Boyle, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Faraday's Bobcat

    How about a reverse visa lottery where everyone with a green card has to enter a lottery and we draw 50,000 who have to go back to their countries?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Or create a number of panels, each with an individual from admissions at Harvard, Westpoint and also a mortgage broker for prime New York real estate as well as a representative from the Daughters of the American Revolution. Oh, plus a scout from whatever is the top model agency.

    Surely this is inarguably better than a lottery...

  109. @Charles Pewitt
    Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post Neo-Conservative Jew, is ugly in her facial features and her anti-White hatred towards the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Do not discount the unbridled hatred for creation itself by some of these people who are ugly bastards. Jennifer Rubin is allowing the horrible fact that she is an ugly anti-White bitch to taint every damn word she scratches out.

    Jews such as Jennifer Rubin are ugly, immoral, irresponsible and evil in pushing for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Jennifer Rubin is an ungrateful Jew who is attacking the nation that afforded her people refuge.

    Now, here is a Jennifer Rubin, who I have never heard of, who appears to be Jewish and somewhat beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/JenniferKollinR/status/585242554381238272

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Malcolm X-Lax, @Faraday's Bobcat

    What a strange post.

  110. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    Not really. There is no noticeable extremism on the right (actually, there is no noticeable right). A hundred guys typing feverishly on the internet doesn’t count.

  111. @Thomas
    @IHTG

    Who is it Rubin is supposed to write for these days? Going full-bore “browning of America” rules out election-minded Republicans. The neoconnery doesn’t work with Democrats anymore. Does she just represent anti-Gentilic dead-enders, along maybe with Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and friends? Is there such a thing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Gunner, @guest

    I’m beginning to believe they’re all secret-handshake people.

    The idea used to be that people like her and Brooks were the Palatable Right, whom the NYT crowd could stomach reading, and were hopefully capable of both explaining the right to a center-left audience, as well as pulling rightist opinion in their direction. Which is to say make the right more leftist.

    But these people don’t understand the right anymore, and aren’t even trying to. They’re ideological refugees: victims of the Overton Window shifting rightward. There shouldn’t be a home for them, but unless and until the NYT starts publishing writers of the Dissident Right or Conservatism Inc. drops NeverTrump and gets some new blood, that’s not going to happen.

    They’ve already tried new blood with Ben Shapiro, and he at least has a bit of a smidgen of a tad of a hold on anti-SJW-ism. But he’s a non-starter and a Nevertrumper himself.

    Neoconservatism is adrift.

  112. @Mr. Anon
    @IHTG


    She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.
     
    Who? Who "hates" her? She doesn't seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident "conservative" columnist at the Washington Post.

    I find it amusing when people like IHTG (for ethnically self-interested reasons) or Art Deco (because he is stupid) wave off the only barely masked anti-white hostility of people like Rubin by saying, in effect - oh, pay those people no mind, they are irrelevant nobodies, without influence, and nobody listens to them.

    Yeah - that's how I know when somebody has no influence..............when they write a column for the f**king Washington Post.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @guest, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    They write the supposedly conservative column for WaPo. Which tells you something right there. She exists to interpret the right for that crowd. Which means at best they tolerate her because they think she can be useful.

    But she’s not useful, because she clearly has no influence on the right and no understanding of what’s happening on the right. She gets published, but is a political commenter without home, so to speak. Except neoconservatism. Which still has influence, but is losing utterly its connection to people.

  113. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    How do Will’s opinions differ in any significant way from those of Rubin or Brooks?

    What's your frame of reference? Will has a publication record dating back to his time on the faculty of the University of Toronto fifty years ago. To the extent his stances have changed over that time, it's been in a libertarian direction.

    Rubin has been justly accused of being incoherent, improvisational, and given to acting as a press agent for particular politicians (e.g. Mitt Romney). That doesn't describe Will. Will's never been an admirer of Obama, which Brooks certainly was. Nor can you argue that Will's career in topical commentary was derived from being a pet or poseur, since he was an astringent antagonist to the Republican establishment as it was in 1975, not to mention regnant opinion in the Democratic Party. Will is comically hostile to Trump, which I think is an indication of senescence and the influence of his wife, who is the exemplary Republican inner-ringer. (His first wife is a lobbyist as well, but doesn't have business clients).

    Replies: @Bill

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bill

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Only to blockheads. Rubin has been a contributor to Commentary and Brooks to The Weekly Standard. However, 'Neocon' as its been used by dissident right types the last 25 years is a nonsense term. Neither Rubin nor Will nor Brooks ever had any particular association with those circles when they were in their prime, and Will in particular has had a set of priorities quite distinct from those entertained by Irving Kristol or Norman Podhoretz. Will in his prime was a promoter of Cdl. Newman and Edmund Burke. I doubt Podhoretz has ever written a word about either. Kristol may have about the latter, but not the former.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bill

  114. @Anon
    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by 'genocide' of Indians. Anglos were 'nazis' of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white 'genocide' of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn't wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater 'historical crime' than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn't wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the 'white supremacist' nation made by 'genocide' and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites 'whitened' the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in 'their place'. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from 'Asiatic' Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It's sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn't split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under 'Asiatic' Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via 'genocide' and slavery), there wouldn't have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have "40 yrs of wandering" in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it's heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won't be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    Replies: @JSM, @William Badwhite, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest, @Becky

    The Jewish middle- to upper-class intelligentsia strategy had it good by the 60s, when “gentlemen’s agreements” fell by the wayside and “merit” allowed them to advance. Then they made their own way, so to speak, and could be radical New Lefters destroying American civilization or neocons destroying American civilization. The choice was there’s.

    There was a lot of slack. The U.S. had room to degenerate, and instead of assimilating and becoming just more white people Jews could go on hacking away at traditional American society with their hatchet of “critique” for generations.

    Unfortunately, slack is running out. There are real-world consequences for having deconstructed WASP society, even for Jews!

    And there’s no line of retreat, because if they become just more white people, they share the fate of other white people. Which thanks in part to Jews is a bad fate. And they can’t rule over the rising tide of color. The rising tide of color can’t discriminate like whites, won’t value “merit,” don’t view Jews as unique, and won’t spare them.

  115. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    The opponents of a wall are purposefully inflating the cost. It cost Israel between $2-3 million per mile to build a double row fence and much of it was in inhospitable desert. That means this thing should really cost around $6 billion, max.

  116. @Return of Shawn
    Jewish over-representation in important fields (e.g. media) would not be a big deal if they were not, all too typically, left-leaning types promoting destructive policies, ideas, fueled in large measure by their Jewish identities. And it goes beyond the Jewish genocide around WW2. Even before that genocide, Jews were doing similar things, just fueled by different hostilities or ethnocentrism attitudes.

    Replies: @guest

    Jewish over-representation in important fields wouldn’t be a big deal if they weren’t so…Jewishy when they “arrive.”

    Take physics, for instance. Despite some people labelling it “the Jewish science,” and despite having been in a rut for 80+ years, it didn’t turn specifically Jewish when Jews started dominating it. Famous Jewish scientists like Einstein pushed Jewish causes, but they didn’t make physics Jewish.

    Jewish politics and Jewish entertainment, on the other hand, inarguably Jewified their fields. Almost without realizing it, I might imagine. I like some sit-coms, but find myself generally incapable of identifying with the families depicted in them. You can stretch this out to most comedy, in fact. Which has become nothing but back-biting, bitching, and cutting people down.

    Not including black comedy (by which I mean comedy by black people), which is distinctly black, I assume this is because entertainment is dominated by two back-bitey, bitchy groups: Jews and gays. Which is a fact admitted by both, but they never seem to realize how thoroughly they’re writing stuff that speaks to themselves alone.

    Ever wonder why Hollywood is full of material about lost, hopeless, cynical, degenerate, addictive, angry, pathetic people? Because that’s who’s writing and producing it, and they’ve forgotten that other kinds of people exist. You know, Waltons people. This cannot but have an ethnic component to it.

  117. @Stephen Marle
    How much wall does $25 billion buy?

    I don't think we need a Gulf-to-Pacific wall, but still, $25 billion sounds like it would only buy 2,500 military toilet seats, not hundreds of miles of a giant wall.

    Replies: @Philethenes, @jack ryan, @AnotherDad, @c matt, @Prof. Woland, @Prof. Woland

    If the fixed cost to build a real fence is $25 billion which in my view is inflated, what would the savings be in both the variable costs to guard the border along with the savings on social spending such as schools and medical care? If we save a measly $1 billion per year that is a 4% return on investment.

  118. @interesting
    The reality is all the people I know don't give a shit what the immigrants look like but want productive people who are willing to at least learn the fucking language and contribute to society. I'm sick of these insane people race baiting in all things.....like Hillary did for 18 months while campaigning.

    The left is a one trick pony, every single thing is about race. And I for one am sick and tired of it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @Anonymous

    You have to go back.

  119. @Anon
    How generals see soldiers. Sheep. Cannon fodder.

    https://youtu.be/yuKZkBR_AWI?t=33s

    How elites see modern masses. As consumers to be consumed and disposed by new consumers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOIvJTuCrlE

    When this is the state of Art, nothing has any value to the elites except their status and vanity. Listening to 'art critics' pontificate about new art is like listening to politicians and pundits wax romantic about the magical qualities of Diversity. So much globscurantism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea39dHj01yc

    Replies: @guest

    “price-fixing scam”

    I’ve resisted the notion that modern art is one, giant money-laundering scheme for a long time on the basis of the people in charge of that part of our culture genuinely believing in it. They didn’t just make up the collapse of faith in the Old Ways at the end of the 19th century. I don’t believe Western High Culture degenerated due to a conspiracy. That was an actual happening. Also, it occurred in fields which don’t allow for “collecting”–that is, buying and selling to move often pretend money around–isn’t applicable, like architecture. Though of course it’s possible to hide money in architectural projects.

    Then it occurred to me, the Old Ways only died a natural death amongst the Ivory Tower types in the art world. And the Art World us ridiculously small. It would be perfectly possible to prop them up with subsidies, and indeed most critics now are either wrapped up in the gallery scene or academia or both. What would there be to prevent you from picking the insane or gullible who actually believe in modern art, give them security, promote their views, and pretend it compromises the entirety of opinion that matters?

    The public? They obviously don’t matter. Pre-modern art still speaks to them, the Philistines. (Without elaborate justifications based on either prefiguring modern art or somehow being ahead of their time by breaking all the rules; which allows modern critics to avoid looking like fools by calling Michelangelo “kitsch,” without being mistaken for recommending anyone produce art like Michelangelo anymore.) What do they know?

    Artists? They’ll produce what we want, or they’ll starve. Happy coincidence: producing the high-quality art of Old Masters is hard. If such techniques as impressionism, for instance, stay popular for long enough, there won’t be anyone left to teach anyone how to paint anything but the zero-skill/zero-talent art favored by modernism.

    Okay, there are still people remaining who know the Old techniques. But you won find them in art schools, which are the most useless institutions of supposedly higher learning. More useless than “studies” departments, which at least teach you s just something, even if it’s wrong. Though art schools can be useful for networking, of course. Because there are only so many open slots in the fame game of the narrowest of narrow worlds that is the art world.

  120. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    If he were a politician here, he too would be demonized. For whatever reason, it is accepted that nonwhites can have their own countries and act with extreme prejudice towards outsiders.

    Trump is what is needed now. Bold and brass.

    Time for China, Korea and Japan to take in arabs and Africans. Diversity would enrich them and it is no fair that whites have all the fun and blessings of diversity.

  121. @Anon
    If Jews hate whites so much, why did they follow in the footsteps of trail-blazing Anglos?

    Jews say genocide is evil. They point to the holocaust.
    But was US created by 'genocide' of Indians. Anglos were 'nazis' of yesteryear. And yet, the #1 favorite immigration for Jews was the Anglo-US. US was also created through slave labor. If Jews were so moral and upright, why did they follow behind Anglos? Why participate in a nation created by white 'genocide' of red people and slavery of black people?

    Surely, Jews could have chosen other destinations for immigration. Also, as various European empires needed labor and investment, they would have gladly accepted Jews to settle Africa and other parts. As whites didn't wipe out the peoples in those parts but merely ruled over them, those empires were less morally tainted than the US that was created by wholesale removal of peoples.

    After all, Anglos only ruled over blacks in Kenya and Rhodesia. There was no plan to wipe them out or expel them. But in the US, Indians were pushed out and removed from the land. So, the kind of imperialism that made the US was a greater 'historical crime' than European empires in Asia and Africa where whites ruled but didn't wipe people out. And yet, Jews preferred to move to US, the 'white supremacist' nation made by 'genocide' and slavery. US was created by pogroms against Indians.

    In the US, the whites 'whitened' the land unlike in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. As for Latin America, whites failed to whiten the land much. Latin America remained majority non-white.
    If Jews hate whitening, they should have moved to Latin America that was hungry for immigrants and envious that most preferred to move to the whitened Anglo-US.

    Now, if whitening is bad, why did Jews favor the US, a nation that did the most the whiten the land? Just ask the Indians? And even in Africa, why did Jews favor South Africa as destination spot over other parts of Africa? South Africa was more whitened than other parts of Africa. Again, Jews preferred a part of the world that was whitened.

    How does one explain this irony? Jews followed behind whites to enter a whitened world. Jews esp loved Anglo-America where whitening had been extensive against Indians and Mexicans. There were lots of blacks, but they were kept in 'their place'. When Jews arrived in Ellis Island, they were moving away from 'Asiatic' Russian rule to White Anglo rule.

    If Jews wanted to enter the whitened world so much, why are they now so hell bent on unwhitening America?

    Because focus of Jewish interest went from well-being to domination.

    Poor Jews in Eastern Europe wanted better material conditions and more stability under rule of law. And Jews realized such was most assured in whitened Anglo-America. They were too poor to think about power. They just wanted freedom and better material life.
    Since whitened America offered the best hope, they went to the US.

    But over time, Jews went from wishing for well-being to relishing their great wealth and power.
    If poor Jews looked to White America as the promised land, powerful Jews see white America as a potential challenge to their dominance. So now, they must destroy whiteness.

    It's sort of like the crossing of the Red Sea(or Sea of Reeds) in the Exodus. The sea splits open and the land is so welcome. If God hadn't split open the sea and if Jews tried to swim to the other side, they all would have drowned. So, Jews were so happy to see the land bridge between the raised waters. And they crossed this land to the other side.
    But a blessing became a curse. Once the Jews were on the other side, the exposed land that had been to their advantage became a threat. The Egyptians could cross it to and attack the Jews. So, Jews begged God to close the sea. And it was closed to drown the Egyptians.

    Jews see whitened America the same way. Jews, esp those living under 'Asiatic' Russians, hated being in the Old World. They wanted an exodus to the promised land. And America seemed like a better place with more freedom and opportunities. And white people were like the land bridge that had opened up for them. After all, if not for white trail-blazing to create America(via 'genocide' and slavery), there wouldn't have been the spectacular rise of a New Nation. Jews needed to walk on that white land bridge. But once Jews made their way across and then gained supreme power in America, they came to see white power as ancient Hebrews saw Egyptians at the other side of sea. Before white power could wake up and challenge Jewish power, it must be drowned by seas of humanity.

    History repeats itself.

    And that means, even if Jews win against whites, they will have "40 yrs of wandering" in New America where there will be new battles along tribal lines. After all, Hebrews made it out of Egypt only to face off against one tribe after another.

    As white America fades and US fills up with diversity and new tribalisms, good luck to Jews as they combat new enemies. In Europe, it's heating up already with Muslims.
    In the US, Jewish elites won't be able to outmuscle Hindus so easily.

    In yrs to come, Jews will realize they really messed things up. White America was never the Egyptians trying to wipe out Jews. Because of the Holocaust, Jews got to seeing Nazis everywhere when the White West in both US and EU were the best bet for future Jewish prosperity and security.
    If anything white US and white Russia were the two sides of the oceans that crashed on the Nazi Egyptians who were totally defeated. It could have been smooth sailing since then if everyone got along. But paranoia and hubris reigned among Jews in their prophetic delirium, and history is gonna get very ugly. And if Jews think history will end with the fall of whites, think again. They were the last people with any conscience toward Jews.

    Replies: @JSM, @William Badwhite, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest, @Becky

    The US didn’t perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks. Many of them were bloodthirsty and always wages cruel wars against their own people’s. They weren’t innocents. I’m sick of you leftist trolls and your games. If you want to discuss real genocides look what the Spanish did in what became Latin America, they also invented the transAtlantic slave trade and the Jews were heavily involved in it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Becky

    "The US didn’t perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks."

    That's why I call it 'genocide'.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Travis

  122. @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    Moreover, even insofar as they might conceivably benefit the people that built it, it's considered a bad thing. Sure, the U.S. empire has killed millions of people in service of utterly dubious causes...but the thought that it might have "privileged" the every day white working stiff is what really can't be countenanced.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sure, the U.S. empire has killed millions of people in service of utterly dubious causes

    I see the volkisch element is still pissed about losing WWii.

  123. @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Is there a difference between problematizing someone's analysis and personally hating their guts -- oh, asking the wrong person.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Is there a difference between problematizing someone’s analysis and personally hating their guts

    Yes. And there’s no shortage of Unz denizens unclear on the concept.

  124. @Bill
    @Art Deco

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Only to blockheads. Rubin has been a contributor to Commentary and Brooks to The Weekly Standard. However, ‘Neocon’ as its been used by dissident right types the last 25 years is a nonsense term. Neither Rubin nor Will nor Brooks ever had any particular association with those circles when they were in their prime, and Will in particular has had a set of priorities quite distinct from those entertained by Irving Kristol or Norman Podhoretz. Will in his prime was a promoter of Cdl. Newman and Edmund Burke. I doubt Podhoretz has ever written a word about either. Kristol may have about the latter, but not the former.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    We know you don't believe there is any such category as "neocon" (lthough why you think you are some kind of authority on the matter, when you don't even know the origin of the term is a mystery). We just don't believe you, and for the simple reason that you are full of crap. There quite clearly is such a category, it has quite clearly been influential for the last forty years, and it quite clearly has a meaning. Will may not be one of them, but in what subtantive way have any of his beliefs in the last twenty years or so differed from those who are - people like Kristol, Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, etc.

    I ask only for others, who labor under the misguided belief that you are not a ridiculous ass. For my own part, I really don't care what you think.

    , @Bill
    @Art Deco

    Evolution of language is the bane of pedants everywhere. Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

  125. @Anon
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Chinese, Koreans and Indians think and act like Jews. They have their own organizations.

    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.

    Hindus are a lot savvier and keener about ways of power. Hindus can't be earnest about anything since everyone has to negotiate for advantage in India where cohesion of any kind is rare. So Hindus don't grow up trusting people or institutions. It makes for a messy society but also one where people are primed for multi-level competition.

    Also, Hindu numbers are growing and Hindus have a long history of reading white minds.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.

    Mostly true, but they are still competitive and have zero guilt about anything that has happened to the Jews. That alone makes them more of a problem than white goys.

    I’m not saying that Jews can’t handle the competition. I’m simply saying that they will face competition at all. They’ve had the game to themselves for 50 years, at least.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "Mostly true, but they are still competitive and have zero guilt about anything that has happened to the Jews. That alone makes them more of a problem than white goys."

    But they just want to work for Jews, merge with Jews, admire Jews, even marry Jews. Chinese could pose a problem because it has so many people. But most Chinese in US and Canada seem to just become stupid SJW types. Chinese in Canada totally fall for all that homo and diversity crap. Chinese in China may feel contempt for 'white left', but Chinese in the West became 'yellow left' in imitation of 'white left'.

    Also, the politics of guilt is less about feeling guilt for others than making the OTHER feel guilt for something. So, even if East Asians may not feel guilty about Jews, they don't care to make Jews feel guilty about Palestinians or communism or selling opium to Chinese. Since they don't care to make Jews feel guilt over something, they can't control Jews. In contrast, Jews control whites because Jews did care to make whites feel guilty about 'racism' and etc.

    Furthermore, because East Asians are such teachers pets, some of them do take on 'white guilt' because it's the reigning ideology of PC. White Guilt as currently devised favors Jews and blacks, so even East Asians come to favor Jews and blacks over not only whites but themselves.
    They do make noises about 'antisemitism' and side with BLM. Unlike Jews, blacks, and Hindus, East Asians don't have their own centrism outside their civilization. So, if Chinese are Sino-centric in China, they aren't necessarily outside China and adopt the centrism of another people. It's because the main mode of East Asian culture and genetics is to serve.

  126. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon


    East Asians will be easy to manage. They are mostly docile and imitative and just go with the power.
     
    Mostly true, but they are still competitive and have zero guilt about anything that has happened to the Jews. That alone makes them more of a problem than white goys.

    I'm not saying that Jews can't handle the competition. I'm simply saying that they will face competition at all. They've had the game to themselves for 50 years, at least.

    Replies: @Anon

    “Mostly true, but they are still competitive and have zero guilt about anything that has happened to the Jews. That alone makes them more of a problem than white goys.”

    But they just want to work for Jews, merge with Jews, admire Jews, even marry Jews. Chinese could pose a problem because it has so many people. But most Chinese in US and Canada seem to just become stupid SJW types. Chinese in Canada totally fall for all that homo and diversity crap. Chinese in China may feel contempt for ‘white left’, but Chinese in the West became ‘yellow left’ in imitation of ‘white left’.

    Also, the politics of guilt is less about feeling guilt for others than making the OTHER feel guilt for something. So, even if East Asians may not feel guilty about Jews, they don’t care to make Jews feel guilty about Palestinians or communism or selling opium to Chinese. Since they don’t care to make Jews feel guilt over something, they can’t control Jews. In contrast, Jews control whites because Jews did care to make whites feel guilty about ‘racism’ and etc.

    Furthermore, because East Asians are such teachers pets, some of them do take on ‘white guilt’ because it’s the reigning ideology of PC. White Guilt as currently devised favors Jews and blacks, so even East Asians come to favor Jews and blacks over not only whites but themselves.
    They do make noises about ‘antisemitism’ and side with BLM. Unlike Jews, blacks, and Hindus, East Asians don’t have their own centrism outside their civilization. So, if Chinese are Sino-centric in China, they aren’t necessarily outside China and adopt the centrism of another people. It’s because the main mode of East Asian culture and genetics is to serve.

  127. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens. However, her work has been cut to pieces by Charles C.W. Cooke, who is on the staff of National Review.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens.

    “Combox”? You have your own peculiar little vocabulary.

    What is your website? A Cuckbox?

  128. @Becky
    @Anon

    The US didn't perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks. Many of them were bloodthirsty and always wages cruel wars against their own people's. They weren't innocents. I'm sick of you leftist trolls and your games. If you want to discuss real genocides look what the Spanish did in what became Latin America, they also invented the transAtlantic slave trade and the Jews were heavily involved in it.

    Replies: @Anon

    “The US didn’t perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks.”

    That’s why I call it ‘genocide’.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anon


    That’s why I call it ‘genocide’.
     
    Let's see. Suicide, you kill yourself and you are dead. Matricide, you kill your mother and she is dead. Patricide, you kill your father and he is dead. Fratricide, you kill your brother, and he his dead. But genocide, somebody gets killed, and everyone is supposed to pretend that an entire ethnic group was exterminated and they are all dead. If it was genocide, why do we still have "Native Americans"?
    , @Travis
    @Anon

    few people realize how small the Indian population was above the Rio Grande when Europeans arrived. just 2 to 5 million aboriginals lived in what is now the United States...today over 1 million Native Americans live in the United States.

    we know that most if the Indians died from disease. Very few europeans landed in the United States until 1700 , by which time diseases brought by the Spaniards had killed over half the aboriginal population of North America.

  129. @Art Deco
    @Bill

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Only to blockheads. Rubin has been a contributor to Commentary and Brooks to The Weekly Standard. However, 'Neocon' as its been used by dissident right types the last 25 years is a nonsense term. Neither Rubin nor Will nor Brooks ever had any particular association with those circles when they were in their prime, and Will in particular has had a set of priorities quite distinct from those entertained by Irving Kristol or Norman Podhoretz. Will in his prime was a promoter of Cdl. Newman and Edmund Burke. I doubt Podhoretz has ever written a word about either. Kristol may have about the latter, but not the former.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bill

    We know you don’t believe there is any such category as “neocon” (lthough why you think you are some kind of authority on the matter, when you don’t even know the origin of the term is a mystery). We just don’t believe you, and for the simple reason that you are full of crap. There quite clearly is such a category, it has quite clearly been influential for the last forty years, and it quite clearly has a meaning. Will may not be one of them, but in what subtantive way have any of his beliefs in the last twenty years or so differed from those who are – people like Kristol, Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, etc.

    I ask only for others, who labor under the misguided belief that you are not a ridiculous ass. For my own part, I really don’t care what you think.

  130. @Big Bill
    @JSM

    Because there isn't enough money/success/power available in the Dominican Republic (or Israel, for that matter). Who wants to be King of the Dwarves? Who wants to be the Richest Man in Podunk, Idaho?

    Why did Eugene Volokh and his family leave Russia, refuse to move to Israel and settle in the USA? Eugene and his kin would be just another bunch of johnny-come-lately Russian immigrants in Israel, competing against well-established Ashkenazi Jews who already had a lock on the elite upper reaches of Israeli society (and similar high IQs). The Volokhs would have had to fight like dogs to get a piece of the pie in Israel. Worse, that piece would have been rather small, since Israel is a tiny market.

    Better to move to America with a (relatively) dumb but tractable white goy population swimming in cash, living peaceful, safe, sheep-like lives where you can aspire to be a Supreme Court Justice or a rich programmer (a la Zuck) or industrial magnate (a la Musk) with relatively little competition (and no requirement to join the military and risk your life for your country!).

    For Jews in 1939, the Dominican Republic was a step down from Europe. The US was a step up.

    For the Volokhs in the 1970s, Israel was a step down from Russia. The US was a step up.

    Simple economics.

    Replies: @JSM

    Yup.

  131. @D. K.
    @Anonymous

    Strangely, the 1965 act was called Hart-Celler. Representative Celler had spent thirty-some years trying to get such an act passed, before Teddy Kennedy ever was elected to the Senate, in November 1962, to fill the final two years of President Kennedy's remaining term, from his November 1958 reelection to the Senate. When LBJ signed Hart-Celler into law, on October 3, 1965, Teddy Kennedy had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for well under three full years. His brother, Bobby, had been in the Senate, and the Congress as a whole, for only nine months. Their brother, Jack, had been planted beneath the eternal flame, at Arlington National Cemetery, for the better part of two years.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Yep, those Kennedy’s had nothing to do with the immigration invasion, did they? And Teddy was not culpable, right? Except that: He not only did 65, he did 90 too, including the idiotic lottery. You Kennedy acolytes are oh so happy to pretend that Teddy wasn’t central to what we face today.

    Teddy Kennedy was a traitor, a vicious liar and pathological hater of America. And that is beside him murdering Mary Jo Kopechne.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Your preternatural ability to miss the point is hereby duly noted, Chuckie. The 1965 act was the brainchild and life's work of Representative Emanuel Celler-- a life's work that he began, as a recently admitted member of the House of Representatives, about eight years before Teddy Kennedy even was born:

    "Also in 1965, he proposed and steered to passage the Hart-Celler Act, which eliminated national origins as a consideration for immigration. This was the culminating moment in Celler's 41-year fight to overcome restriction on immigration to the United States based on national origin."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler#Service_in_the_House_of_Representatives

  132. @jimmyriddle
    Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @Wilkey

    Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    Or 8 years worth of foreign aid to Israel.

    Or approximately the cost of two brand spanking new aircraft carriers (~$12.8 billion each) – 140 fighter aircraft not included. The cost of building and maintaining a wall would probably equal, at most, the cost of two carrier strike groups. Throw in other essential aspects of border security (e.g., eVerify, a visa entry/exit tracking system, etc.) and you’re perhaps up to a cost equivalent to three carrier strike groups. How many carrier strike groups does our Navy currently have? Eleven.

    IOW, securing our borders, which is, after all, the fundamental job of a nation’s self-defense, would cost roughly one-fourth of what we’re currently spending on the US Navy – a perfectly conceivable and manageable expense.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Wilkey

    Those aircraft carriers have limited survivability from salvos of modern hypersonic cruise missiles. They can only be used for gunboat diplomacy against tribal levies.

    They'll end up as rust buckets and be scrapped having pointlessly added billions to the national debt.

    A wall will keep America recognizably American, and pay for itself with reduced welfare spending.


    How much leeway does Trump have as Commander in Chief? Could he move the troops in (say) Fort Bragg to 20 new bases along the border - all requiring extensive security fencing and patrols, because of terrorism?

  133. @Anon
    @Becky

    "The US didn’t perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks."

    That's why I call it 'genocide'.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Travis

    That’s why I call it ‘genocide’.

    Let’s see. Suicide, you kill yourself and you are dead. Matricide, you kill your mother and she is dead. Patricide, you kill your father and he is dead. Fratricide, you kill your brother, and he his dead. But genocide, somebody gets killed, and everyone is supposed to pretend that an entire ethnic group was exterminated and they are all dead. If it was genocide, why do we still have “Native Americans”?

  134. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans.

    You are obsessed with race issues.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Moses

    Only Chinese

  135. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @neutral

    If you surround yourself, like Rubin, with people who belong to a crazy religious cult (demented WAPO SJW believers), you will slowly absorb their views if you're the want-to-get-along-with-others type. Most people have no ability to withstand social isolation and social pressure, and women are weaker about this then men are. Most women will try very, very hard to alter their opinions to go along with the crowd even to the point of self-brainwashing, because being an outsider makes them sob and shake. A lot of women create their sense of self solely from the opinions of others, and Rubin is just a plain, boring, cookie-cutter example of this type.

    This is why she's doing all the groveling, kowtowing, and banging her forehead on the ground as she begs SJWers to be pardoned for her errors. She's just a typical gutless female coward. She still wants to be able to go out to dinner and socialize with her colleagues at work. The SJW crowd deliberately isolates anyone who they think is guilty of Thoughtcrime because they know it's a useful social weapon to wield against others who get out of line and to pressure them back into conforming.

    Rubin will never reach Ann Coulter's level as an intellect or as a molder of public opinion because she's much too weak and submissive.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon

    “I’d be interested in hearing whether Alan Dershowitz considers Jennifer Rubin to be the most creative, intelligent, and hard-working person who could be working at the Post in her capacity.”

    Dershowitz is being disingenuous. Most people are not bothered by Jewish success or even Jewish power. It’s the abuse of that power.

    Even if it’s true that much of Jewish wealth and power are well-deserved based on meritocracy, it doesn’t mean Jews can abuse of Rule of Law or change the laws to suit their agendas or egos. It doesn’t mean it’s right for Jews to use their muscle to make US aid and abet Zionist oppression of Palestinians.

    It’s like Bill Gates has a right to be rich. But that doesn’t make him above the law. In a true democracy, even the richest people must abide by rule of law.

    But look how Jonathan Pollard got sprung from prison and was given a plush job. In contrast, Alt Right guys are ‘doxed’ and can’t even get jobs waiting tables EVEN THOUGH all they did was exercise their free speech. And Arnon Milchan, despite admitting to spying and theft for Israel, can walk around with impunity in the US. Richard Spencer can’t even go to the gym because some crazy woman screamed at him.

    Some nations are bigger and richer because the people achieved more there. But that still doesn’t mean it has the right to just invade and push around smaller or weaker nations. That’s imperialism, and now, US is into imperialist mode not least due to Jewish influence, esp in the Middle East and against Russia.

    Dershowitz is using misdirection. He’s trying to frame the issue as one of ‘anti-semites’ being resentful of Jewish success. But Palestinians are not pissed because Jews are rich. It’s because their land was taken and because they live under occupation. Critics of Neocons are not angry with Jews owning yachts or penthouses. They are angry with Jewish wealth funding whore politicians who gave green light to Wars for Israel based on lies.

    Worse than some Jews trampling on Rule of Law is their perversion of law itself to push their agenda. So, they push this bogus concept of ‘hate speech’ to shut down certain kinds of free speech. Or, they change the meaning of rights and marriage to push ‘same sex marriage’, a total abomination. Or, they fund politicians to criminalize BDS which is no different from boycott movements in 80s against South Africa.

    The issue is not Jewish success, wealth, and power. It’s the abuse of that power.

    It’s like Americans accept black domination in sports. What makes them angry is that so many of these successful athletes act with impunity and get away with all sorts of stuff because they’re celebrities. How many times did OJ Simpson get out of tight spots because he was the Juice? And how many black college athletes got away with bad behavior because they were protected by the system addicted to Magic Negro cult, celebrity, and profits?

  136. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Who? Who “hates” her? She doesn’t seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident “conservative” columnist at the Washington Post.

    Likely no one hates her except combox denizens. However, her work has been cut to pieces by Charles C.W. Cooke, who is on the staff of National Review.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @Johann Ricke

    He wasn’t a character, he was a reference.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Kuan

    Doubt Lee Kuan Yew was on Hollywood writers’ radar screens in 1968. The fictional Lee Kuan was supposed to be a major conqueror, not the boss of a Hanseatic mandarinate.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if his name was plucked out of the air not because of his personal characteristics, but because of his gem of a Meet the Press interview back on October 22 1967:, back when LBJ was staging one of his half-baked on-and-off bombing campaigns against unimportant targets in North Vietnam. (LBJ held back because of his paranoia about drawing China into the war):

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Johann Ricke

    Lee Kuan Yew's name would have been in the foreign news in the 1960s due to the independence of Singapore. American media gave a lot of coverage to East Asia in this era due to the Cold War and decolonization. But that doesn't mean American pop culture writers were interested in Lee Kuan Yew personally or politically, just that the character name Lee Kuan would pass the sniff test as plausible-sounding.

  137. @jack ryan
    @Mr. Anon

    Agreed and well said.

    George Will played the role of

    Court Conservative - pretending that the only types of acceptable opinion are PC Lib Leftism and George Will's Conservatism which is

    Open borders immigration to the USA
    Endless wars for Israel
    In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will won/lost Instauration Magazine's White traitor of the year award for making this career out of being the fake conservative opposition.

    Plus he also pretends to know everything about baseball - he knows nothing.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    George Will played the role of…[advocating] Open borders immigration to the USA Endless wars for Israel, In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will during the 2006 or 2007 amnesty push: ‘It would take hundreds of thousands of buses stretching from Houston to Mars to deport all the illegals living in the United States!’

    George Will during the Obama Era invasion of “unaccompanied minors”: ‘It’s no big deal – there are only 3 of them per county!’

    IOW, the problem of illegal immigration is either too small to worry about or too big to do anything about. When is the problem just the right size to both worry about and do something about? Maybe Goldilocks Will will tell us someday.

    Besides being a fan of baseball George Will also happens to fancy himself an expert on the US airline industry, about which he’s probably written a dozen or more columns. So perhaps if he crunched the numbers he’d realize that the number of illegals in the US is, at most, about 2% of the annual traffic of the US airline industry – i.e., we already have the capacity to deport every single illegal from this country in the space of a year.

    I used to be a big fan of George Will. I still have every collection of his columns – and read every single one – up through ca. 2005. They’re still on some bookshelf somewhere in my house. I stopped paying much attention to him, though, after he turned into a whore for the cheap labor lobby. He shat on his legacy for a quick buck, and that’s all there is to say about it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Wilkey

    IOW, the problem of illegal immigration is either too small to worry about or too big to do anything about. When is the problem just the right size to both worry about and do something about? Maybe Goldilocks Will will tell us someday.

    Will's a lapsed philosophy professor. He's not a practical man and he's spent 4 decades lunching with the sort of people for whom this rubbish is what's taken for granted. Listen to David Brooks. The wall is 'stupid'; all his friends say so. Among the people George Will spends time with is his wife, whose business involves keeping in the good books of people like Robert Dole.

  138. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country

    But the ethnic nationalism that Singapore – de facto – runs on makes Richard Spencer et al look like a pikers.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bill B.

    No? Not that Spencer really can be accused of having a serious plan beyond getting media attention, to which he and the MSM essentially end up sharing twisted self-interest: the MSM need to promote a "nazi", and he wants all of the attention he can get.

    But no, Singapore doesn't have anything like 90% Han Chinese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore#Ethnic_groups

  139. @Mr. Anon
    @IHTG


    She’s a nutjob. Even the other NeverTrumpers hate her.
     
    Who? Who "hates" her? She doesn't seem to have much problem finding premium outlets to opine at, given that she is now a resident "conservative" columnist at the Washington Post.

    I find it amusing when people like IHTG (for ethnically self-interested reasons) or Art Deco (because he is stupid) wave off the only barely masked anti-white hostility of people like Rubin by saying, in effect - oh, pay those people no mind, they are irrelevant nobodies, without influence, and nobody listens to them.

    Yeah - that's how I know when somebody has no influence..............when they write a column for the f**king Washington Post.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @guest, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Characterizing JRubin as an outlier for Jewish-American opinion on Immigration is dicey at best.

    Increasingly, commentators like her, Bret Stephens, JPod, Max Boot & Bill Kristol, plus activists such as Barbara Lerner-Spectre, Mark Potok, Ira Glasser, Tim Wise, Heidi Beirich….are all seen as merely more strident & unfiltered examples of the overall voice of Organized American Jewry. Of course there is a significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots, but the center of gravity for Jewish influence seems well to their Left.
    The result is that you have shrill, but well funded anti-White open borders zealots like Rubin & Stephens juxtaposed with a segment of Jewish opinion who couch their mass immigration enthusiasm behind high minded libertarianism (Jeff & Tamar Jacoby, Cathy Young, Steven Greenhut) or feign indifference on the issue while occasionally letting slip that they have a universalist Emma Lazarus view of America (Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro).

    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference, while their big money & relentless activism assures conformity of opinion by getting dissidents like Lou Dobbs & Pat Buchanan expelled from CNN.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @CrunchybutRealistCon


    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference,..........
     
    And as you said, that indifference often appears to be only feigned. Which means it isn't really "indifference". Perhaps the people so pretending realize that they would alienate a lot of their audience if they expressed their real opinion on the topic.
    , @3g4me
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    @139 CrunchybutRealistCon:

    Beautiful comment. Excellent distillation of the issue. Only minor quibble is that your "significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots" is, in reality, a rather small % - certainly smaller than 20% and in my estimation more like 10%.

  140. @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    He wasn’t a character, he was a reference.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Kuan

    Doubt Lee Kuan Yew was on Hollywood writers’ radar screens in 1968. The fictional Lee Kuan was supposed to be a major conqueror, not the boss of a Hanseatic mandarinate.
     
    Wouldn't surprise me if his name was plucked out of the air not because of his personal characteristics, but because of his gem of a Meet the Press interview back on October 22 1967:, back when LBJ was staging one of his half-baked on-and-off bombing campaigns against unimportant targets in North Vietnam. (LBJ held back because of his paranoia about drawing China into the war):


    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Lee Kuan Yew’s name would have been in the foreign news in the 1960s due to the independence of Singapore. American media gave a lot of coverage to East Asia in this era due to the Cold War and decolonization. But that doesn’t mean American pop culture writers were interested in Lee Kuan Yew personally or politically, just that the character name Lee Kuan would pass the sniff test as plausible-sounding.

  141. @Anon
    @Becky

    "The US didn’t perpetrate genocide against the indigenous, we fought them and unfortunate policies were put in place due to Indian attacks."

    That's why I call it 'genocide'.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Travis

    few people realize how small the Indian population was above the Rio Grande when Europeans arrived. just 2 to 5 million aboriginals lived in what is now the United States…today over 1 million Native Americans live in the United States.

    we know that most if the Indians died from disease. Very few europeans landed in the United States until 1700 , by which time diseases brought by the Spaniards had killed over half the aboriginal population of North America.

  142. @Bill B.
    @Yan Shen


    white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country
     
    But the ethnic nationalism that Singapore - de facto - runs on makes Richard Spencer et al look like a pikers.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    No? Not that Spencer really can be accused of having a serious plan beyond getting media attention, to which he and the MSM essentially end up sharing twisted self-interest: the MSM need to promote a “nazi”, and he wants all of the attention he can get.

    But no, Singapore doesn’t have anything like 90% Han Chinese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore#Ethnic_groups

  143. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @D. K.

    Yep, those Kennedy's had nothing to do with the immigration invasion, did they? And Teddy was not culpable, right? Except that: He not only did 65, he did 90 too, including the idiotic lottery. You Kennedy acolytes are oh so happy to pretend that Teddy wasn't central to what we face today.

    Teddy Kennedy was a traitor, a vicious liar and pathological hater of America. And that is beside him murdering Mary Jo Kopechne.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Your preternatural ability to miss the point is hereby duly noted, Chuckie. The 1965 act was the brainchild and life’s work of Representative Emanuel Celler– a life’s work that he began, as a recently admitted member of the House of Representatives, about eight years before Teddy Kennedy even was born:

    “Also in 1965, he proposed and steered to passage the Hart-Celler Act, which eliminated national origins as a consideration for immigration. This was the culminating moment in Celler’s 41-year fight to overcome restriction on immigration to the United States based on national origin.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler#Service_in_the_House_of_Representatives

  144. @anonymous
    It not whites the Jews hate . It is white Christians. The Jews have a Christ problem and just can't get over it. Ever after being given their own country.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The conflict between the two peoples predates Christianity.

  145. @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Tyrion 2

    How about a reverse visa lottery where everyone with a green card has to enter a lottery and we draw 50,000 who have to go back to their countries?

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    Or create a number of panels, each with an individual from admissions at Harvard, Westpoint and also a mortgage broker for prime New York real estate as well as a representative from the Daughters of the American Revolution. Oh, plus a scout from whatever is the top model agency.

    Surely this is inarguably better than a lottery…

  146. @Wilkey
    @jack ryan

    George Will played the role of...[advocating] Open borders immigration to the USA Endless wars for Israel, In hoc to the world to pay for both policies

    George Will during the 2006 or 2007 amnesty push: 'It would take hundreds of thousands of buses stretching from Houston to Mars to deport all the illegals living in the United States!'

    George Will during the Obama Era invasion of "unaccompanied minors": 'It's no big deal - there are only 3 of them per county!'

    IOW, the problem of illegal immigration is either too small to worry about or too big to do anything about. When is the problem just the right size to both worry about and do something about? Maybe Goldilocks Will will tell us someday.

    Besides being a fan of baseball George Will also happens to fancy himself an expert on the US airline industry, about which he's probably written a dozen or more columns. So perhaps if he crunched the numbers he'd realize that the number of illegals in the US is, at most, about 2% of the annual traffic of the US airline industry - i.e., we already have the capacity to deport every single illegal from this country in the space of a year.

    I used to be a big fan of George Will. I still have every collection of his columns - and read every single one - up through ca. 2005. They're still on some bookshelf somewhere in my house. I stopped paying much attention to him, though, after he turned into a whore for the cheap labor lobby. He shat on his legacy for a quick buck, and that's all there is to say about it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    IOW, the problem of illegal immigration is either too small to worry about or too big to do anything about. When is the problem just the right size to both worry about and do something about? Maybe Goldilocks Will will tell us someday.

    Will’s a lapsed philosophy professor. He’s not a practical man and he’s spent 4 decades lunching with the sort of people for whom this rubbish is what’s taken for granted. Listen to David Brooks. The wall is ‘stupid’; all his friends say so. Among the people George Will spends time with is his wife, whose business involves keeping in the good books of people like Robert Dole.

  147. @Moses
    @Yan Shen


    Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans.
     
    You are obsessed with race issues.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Only Chinese

  148. @Wilkey
    @jimmyriddle

    Eye-popping $25 billion = 2 months worth of the Iraq war

    Or 8 years worth of foreign aid to Israel.

    Or approximately the cost of two brand spanking new aircraft carriers (~$12.8 billion each) - 140 fighter aircraft not included. The cost of building and maintaining a wall would probably equal, at most, the cost of two carrier strike groups. Throw in other essential aspects of border security (e.g., eVerify, a visa entry/exit tracking system, etc.) and you're perhaps up to a cost equivalent to three carrier strike groups. How many carrier strike groups does our Navy currently have? Eleven.

    IOW, securing our borders, which is, after all, the fundamental job of a nation's self-defense, would cost roughly one-fourth of what we're currently spending on the US Navy - a perfectly conceivable and manageable expense.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    Those aircraft carriers have limited survivability from salvos of modern hypersonic cruise missiles. They can only be used for gunboat diplomacy against tribal levies.

    They’ll end up as rust buckets and be scrapped having pointlessly added billions to the national debt.

    A wall will keep America recognizably American, and pay for itself with reduced welfare spending.

    How much leeway does Trump have as Commander in Chief? Could he move the troops in (say) Fort Bragg to 20 new bases along the border – all requiring extensive security fencing and patrols, because of terrorism?

  149. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Mr. Anon

    Characterizing JRubin as an outlier for Jewish-American opinion on Immigration is dicey at best.

    Increasingly, commentators like her, Bret Stephens, JPod, Max Boot & Bill Kristol, plus activists such as Barbara Lerner-Spectre, Mark Potok, Ira Glasser, Tim Wise, Heidi Beirich....are all seen as merely more strident & unfiltered examples of the overall voice of Organized American Jewry. Of course there is a significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots, but the center of gravity for Jewish influence seems well to their Left.
    The result is that you have shrill, but well funded anti-White open borders zealots like Rubin & Stephens juxtaposed with a segment of Jewish opinion who couch their mass immigration enthusiasm behind high minded libertarianism (Jeff & Tamar Jacoby, Cathy Young, Steven Greenhut) or feign indifference on the issue while occasionally letting slip that they have a universalist Emma Lazarus view of America (Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro).

    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference, while their big money & relentless activism assures conformity of opinion by getting dissidents like Lou Dobbs & Pat Buchanan expelled from CNN.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @3g4me

    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference,……….

    And as you said, that indifference often appears to be only feigned. Which means it isn’t really “indifference”. Perhaps the people so pretending realize that they would alienate a lot of their audience if they expressed their real opinion on the topic.

  150. @Yan Shen
    Didn't Trump's actual comment refer to immigrants from Norway or Asia, presumably China, India, and to a lesser extent South Korea? Of course the fake news mainstream media once again ignores Asian Americans. In actuality, Trump's proposed immigration plans more or less mirror those of countries with skills based immigration, in particular countries in East Asia. It's not a huge surprise that while the Trumps are reviled in the West, he's surprisingly buddy buddy with Shinzo Abe of Japan and Ivanka Trump is also fairly popular in both Japan and China.

    As an aside, I've been reading a short book about Lee Kuan Yew's insights on China, the United States, and the world. One of most impressive things about Lee Kuan Yew is how much respect he commanded around the world given his highly politically incorrect views. I think it's possible that Lee Kuan Yew was even more of a race realist than Trump is today!

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get. I guess one could just throw in the towel and say that Trump is who he is and that his fiery personality certainly isn't going to mellow out now after a lifetime of being the Donald. The downside to this though is that important ideas and policy decisions that might have been able to be sold to the public under the tutelage of a politically savvy and sagacious mind like Lee Kuan Yew's more or less have became tainted by their association with the Donald Trumps of the world.

    This is why white nationalism is actually bad for everyone in this country, not necessarily because white nationalist policies would be detrimental if enforced, but because white nationalism actually ensures that nothing sane can be enforced. Extremism begets extremism, which is why the national discourse these days seems to promote only two competing alternatives, open borders or racial separatism.

    The lesson here is that when you alienate people with poor manners and ideological extremism, everyone suffers as a consequence!

    Replies: @DFH, @bartok, @songbird, @Chrisnonymous, @JSM, @Bill, @MadDog, @Moses, @Bill B., @Mr. Anon

    Which of course just shows you how awful Trump is when it comes comporting himself with poise and professionalism and exuding intellectual wisdom. I suppose when you live in a country where TV stars become presidents, this is uh more or less what you get.

    As opposed to China, where only ruthless, authoritarian party functionaries become Presidents.

    Yeah, nice little culture you got there.

  151. Oh god they’ve hired Max Boot now too.

  152. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Mr. Anon

    Characterizing JRubin as an outlier for Jewish-American opinion on Immigration is dicey at best.

    Increasingly, commentators like her, Bret Stephens, JPod, Max Boot & Bill Kristol, plus activists such as Barbara Lerner-Spectre, Mark Potok, Ira Glasser, Tim Wise, Heidi Beirich....are all seen as merely more strident & unfiltered examples of the overall voice of Organized American Jewry. Of course there is a significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots, but the center of gravity for Jewish influence seems well to their Left.
    The result is that you have shrill, but well funded anti-White open borders zealots like Rubin & Stephens juxtaposed with a segment of Jewish opinion who couch their mass immigration enthusiasm behind high minded libertarianism (Jeff & Tamar Jacoby, Cathy Young, Steven Greenhut) or feign indifference on the issue while occasionally letting slip that they have a universalist Emma Lazarus view of America (Dennis Prager, Ben Shapiro).

    At the end of the day the influence of J-Opinion swings between open borders zealotry to indifference, while their big money & relentless activism assures conformity of opinion by getting dissidents like Lou Dobbs & Pat Buchanan expelled from CNN.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @3g4me

    @139 CrunchybutRealistCon:

    Beautiful comment. Excellent distillation of the issue. Only minor quibble is that your “significant % of Jews who are immigration control patriots” is, in reality, a rather small % – certainly smaller than 20% and in my estimation more like 10%.

  153. @27 year old
    I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin types directly to explain why a Whiter immigration policy is bad. Ideally Trump could tweet something along these lines.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Karl

    25 27 year old > I would like to see people who have something of a megaphone like Tucker Carlson or Ann Coulter start asking these Rubin type

    Ann Coulter spends her day changing the world. So, she will never waste her time arguing with Jennifer Rubin

    iSteve spends his day not changing anything, but complaining about it

    iSteve learned that trick from Ron Unz

  154. @Art Deco
    @Bill

    Which is a long way of acknowledging that Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

    Only to blockheads. Rubin has been a contributor to Commentary and Brooks to The Weekly Standard. However, 'Neocon' as its been used by dissident right types the last 25 years is a nonsense term. Neither Rubin nor Will nor Brooks ever had any particular association with those circles when they were in their prime, and Will in particular has had a set of priorities quite distinct from those entertained by Irving Kristol or Norman Podhoretz. Will in his prime was a promoter of Cdl. Newman and Edmund Burke. I doubt Podhoretz has ever written a word about either. Kristol may have about the latter, but not the former.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bill

    Evolution of language is the bane of pedants everywhere. Will is a neocon, like Rubin and Brooks.

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