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From Jeff Bezos’s Washington Post news section:

Amazon presses for in-person voting for unionization election in the midst of a pandemic

The e-commerce giant appealed a decision to hold mail-in balloting, arguing in part that the National Labor Relations Board pandemic election guidance never defined what an “outbreak” actually is.

By Jay Greene
Jan. 22, 2021 at 8:39 a.m. PST

SEATTLE — Amazon wants the upcoming unionization election at its Bessemer, Ala., warehouse to be held in-person, arguing against National Labor Relations Board guidance to hold mail-in balloting in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic.

The e-commerce giant late Thursday appealed the ruling by an NLRB hearing officer a week ago to allow roughly 6,000 workers to take seven weeks, starting Feb. 8, to cast their ballots by mail to be represented by the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. Amazon argued in one of two filings that the agency’s pandemic-voting policy is flawed, in part because it fails to define what a covid-19 “outbreak” actually is.

That guidance “reflected assumptions developed comparatively earlier in the pandemic — before scientific understanding of the virus and possible precautions had developed to where it is today,” Amazon says in the filing.

 
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  1. Well well well…

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Thoughts

    And CNN now says not to worry if old farts die after the vaccine because they were going to die anyway.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-people-die-afterscamdemic-vax/

  2. I was first alerted to this Bezos Company nonsense in the UR’s “Newslinks” – a very useful tool.

    BYW, are all Washington Post writers also bereft of any sense of irony?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dan Hayes

    If you were a WaPo writer (and liked your job) with a sense of irony, wouldn't you keep it well hidden?

    , @Muggles
    @Dan Hayes


    BTW, are all Washington Post writers also bereft of any sense of irony?
     
    I guess you didn't get the memo. In contemporary Communist form 'journalism' both noting irony and hypocrisy have been forbidden.

    Part of the new Woke Journalism per the MSM, AP, et.al.

    See how easy that was? Welcome to Freedom of the Press, 2021 style.
  3. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anon


    sacred halls of American democracy
     
    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @captflee

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    Give it up, there was no decisive fraud. Trump simply was a very bad candidate and low-competence president.

    Replies: @V. Hickel, @alt right moderate

    , @Pericles
    @Anon


    Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.

     

    Wat.
    , @gent
    @Anon

    >extremely violent
    A single window got broken and cop sperged out and shot a woman.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?"

    No. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn't Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hypnotoad666

  4. It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Hypnotoad666


    It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud.
     
    Sure, it's been said...by Nazis and white supremacists. Until Jan 20 that is; afterward anyone can say it. Hey why do 'we' still capitalize Nazis?

    But I won’t say any more about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”
     
    You're much safer here than elsewhere. For the moment.

    Replies: @Dmon

    , @TruthRevolution.net
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Once you are dishonest, you get into logical contradiction. How fine that white male logic does not count. Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you why Amazon voting is different from defeating Trump. Right wing males cannot understand that /end sarcasm

    https://sincerity.net/fail-safe/


    An election is NOT innocent-until-proven-guilty. An election is corrupted and invalid until proven safe. An election must not even be potentially fraudulent. The burden of proof must be inverted.

    If party observers are absent, counting must stop (fail safety)
    If observers cannot clearly see signature verification, counting must stop
    A nuclear power plant, it gets shut down if anything suspicious is happening.
    Like a nuclear power plant, or an airplane, vote counts must be proven safe, and fail safe with multiple concurrent safety measures.
    An election must be PROVEN to be inviolate, safe against any fraud. It should not required to prove actual voter fraud. Any potential loop hole invalidates the the election.

    We must not have an election, where cheating is possible and unverifiable.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    , @BenKenobi
    @Hypnotoad666

    Mail-in voting is okay for penny-ante stuff like the US presidential election. But this is an Amazon warehouse attempting to unionize, people! I sure hope they have to show ID to cast a ballot.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Bill Jones

    , @Dumbo
    @Hypnotoad666


    all such allegations are “debunked.”
     
    They were not so much debunked as, first, ignored, and then completely replaced by the fake "outrage" with the Capitol invasion.

    It's almost as if that very curious invasion served as a distraction: "Look, a squirrel!"
    , @BB753
    @Hypnotoad666

    Even Steve Sailer wouldn't touch the subject. Under our new laws, any mention of voter fraud can get your webpage taken down. Even here on unz.com.
    Our new masters should code-name the deplatforming of dissenters to the new regime "the scouring of the Shire", if they had read any books, that is.
    As I said months ago, what happened in 2020 in America simply was an "American spring" soft coup, much like those performed by the CIA in foreign countries.
    For the theory, see : Gene Sharp, From Dictatorship to Democracy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/gene-sharp-dead-arab-spring-political-scientist

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”"

    What I heard is that Trump's own AG couldn't find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial "boy who cried wolf problem". He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn't seem to bother his admirers.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome

  5. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud.

    Sure, it’s been said…by Nazis and white supremacists. Until Jan 20 that is; afterward anyone can say it. Hey why do ‘we’ still capitalize Nazis?

    But I won’t say any more about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”

    You’re much safer here than elsewhere. For the moment.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Polistra

    WaPo got scooped months ago. Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on - Lauren's getting to the age where she's going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

    Replies: @Polistra, @JimB

  6. Its almost like amazon insists on in-person voting because they know its dangerous and people won’t show up to vote…

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @chris moffatt
    @bicycle

    harder to physically intimidate people who are voting by mail.

  7. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Once you are dishonest, you get into logical contradiction. How fine that white male logic does not count. Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you why Amazon voting is different from defeating Trump. Right wing males cannot understand that /end sarcasm

    https://sincerity.net/fail-safe/

    An election is NOT innocent-until-proven-guilty. An election is corrupted and invalid until proven safe. An election must not even be potentially fraudulent. The burden of proof must be inverted.

    If party observers are absent, counting must stop (fail safety)
    If observers cannot clearly see signature verification, counting must stop
    A nuclear power plant, it gets shut down if anything suspicious is happening.
    Like a nuclear power plant, or an airplane, vote counts must be proven safe, and fail safe with multiple concurrent safety measures.
    An election must be PROVEN to be inviolate, safe against any fraud. It should not required to prove actual voter fraud. Any potential loop hole invalidates the the election.

    We must not have an election, where cheating is possible and unverifiable.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you
     
    Preach it brah! I happen to have some Ayanna Presley gifs to straighten out these racists even more.

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/816417d3d37ed0c73376436722665b29bf07074d9213e6650c1511f51bf15f15_1.jpg

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/fe5f565d7acba5fc9103cb5effeb5758/tumblr_pntqpfcPOZ1vqg3j6_1280.jpg

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIF.jLmH5vmdGg5Tig2fLEbjFA%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    Replies: @Richard B

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!
     
    Die elektronische Abstimmung ist noch schlimmer.
    , @Alden
    @TruthRevolution.net

    Jeff Bezos is a White man, not a fat wise Latina. And both are anti White liberals.

    There are as many White man anti White liberals as there are anti White women of color anti White liberals.

    White men still rule America. Problem is, the White men who rule America are anti White liberals.

    Including Trump who proudly proclaimed ,
    “ I love affirmative action “ years ago.

    Forget about the rhetoric. The major weapon against White men is affirmative action imposed on this country by White men Supreme Court judges and White men presidents Johnson and Nixon vp Hubert Humphrey plus 100 percent White men senators and a 90 percent White man congress.

    White men, not their feminazi and women of color puppets did all the damage to other White men.

    And White men own all the anti White men media

    Go after your own race sex traitors, not their puppets.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

  8. @Dan Hayes
    I was first alerted to this Bezos Company nonsense in the UR’s “Newslinks” - a very useful tool.

    BYW, are all Washington Post writers also bereft of any sense of irony?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Muggles

    If you were a WaPo writer (and liked your job) with a sense of irony, wouldn’t you keep it well hidden?

    • Agree: Hibernian
  9. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    Mail-in voting is okay for penny-ante stuff like the US presidential election. But this is an Amazon warehouse attempting to unionize, people! I sure hope they have to show ID to cast a ballot.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @BenKenobi

    LOL!

    , @Bill Jones
    @BenKenobi

    Picture ID's were necessary at the Democratic Party Primaries.
    https://news.0censor.com/surprise-democrats-in-wisconsin-praise-voter-ids/

  10. @TruthRevolution.net
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Once you are dishonest, you get into logical contradiction. How fine that white male logic does not count. Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you why Amazon voting is different from defeating Trump. Right wing males cannot understand that /end sarcasm

    https://sincerity.net/fail-safe/


    An election is NOT innocent-until-proven-guilty. An election is corrupted and invalid until proven safe. An election must not even be potentially fraudulent. The burden of proof must be inverted.

    If party observers are absent, counting must stop (fail safety)
    If observers cannot clearly see signature verification, counting must stop
    A nuclear power plant, it gets shut down if anything suspicious is happening.
    Like a nuclear power plant, or an airplane, vote counts must be proven safe, and fail safe with multiple concurrent safety measures.
    An election must be PROVEN to be inviolate, safe against any fraud. It should not required to prove actual voter fraud. Any potential loop hole invalidates the the election.

    We must not have an election, where cheating is possible and unverifiable.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you

    Preach it brah! I happen to have some Ayanna Presley gifs to straighten out these racists even more.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIF.jLmH5vmdGg5Tig2fLEbjFA%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Polistra

    Just look at those self-important POC posers appropriating White Man Serious.


  11. Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait…Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does “Policy” equal “Gibs” for certain people?

    That’s your ‘love language’?? Oh yeah…

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Polistra

    AP is a parody of narcissism. Then again, in an age of absurdities the line between parody and reality is often blurred. Either way, she's a narc. One of the worst.

    She might be too dumb and full of herself to see the one to one relation between her rise and America's decline, but the rest of us can.

    In any event, part of the fun of being alive today is watching White Karens* trying to keep a poker face while praising The Squad. It's a stretch even for them.

    *I like to refer to them as The KKK (The Ku Klux Karens). Of course, instead of the pointy hood they have a pointy head. So, maybe it should be The Ku Klux Kretins.

    , @Jim Christian
    @Polistra


    And why does “Policy” equal “Gibs” for certain people?
     
    Well, like most college loan recipients, Blacks get in deep for a year or two, the education gets a little too deep and they drop out, leaving this debt on the ledger. And that's good, the Blacks dropping out, because when the idiots stay in college, can't cope, then they get mad and cause trouble, like that incident at Dartmouth a couple of years back. On the issue of The Squad, just look at those three idiots, thinking's they're important, how they've been elevated to a point where they think they're somebody. Their districts send them there, but they'll never bring home the bacon to their districts because instead of learning finance and the process in the House to get in on Ways and Means, they're mere shit-stirrers. They're house-wreckers. Carnival barkers, and of course, idiots.

    Is there a degree among them? Who knows? Because in the case of these three idiots, it would only have been awarded, not earned.
    , @Pericles
    @Polistra

    "My hair story is no exception." (has no hair)

    , @obwandiyag
    @Polistra

    Who cares what kind of a clown the woman is? Trump is a clown. Who cares what kind of a clown he is?

    And whatzamatter with canceling student debt, mortgage, and rent for the duration? And don't tell me they can't afford it.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Polistra

    All bald black women are from the future.

    , @Anon
    @Polistra

    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?

    "The average tuition & fees of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) is $7,183 for state residents and $14,973 for out-of-state students.

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/compare/historically-black-colleges-and-universities/#:~:text=The%20average%20tuition%20%26%20fees%20of,average%20acceptance%20rate%20is%2064.72%25.

    7K a year for college is cheap. 14K a year for out-of-state students is cheap. Just for perspective, the tuition at the University of Arkansas, a state-supported school, is this: in-state tuition 9,384 USD, Out-of-state tuition 25,872 USD.

    As for non-historic black colleges, they offer scholarships for black students who have lousy test scores by white standards. Blacks get offered a free ride that your average white doesn't get.

    If black women are carrying more student debt than any other group, it's because they're refusing to pay it off.

    Blacks in general are irresponsible when it comes to paying off debts. We all know that. What Ayanna Pressley wants is free college for blacks, period. She wants to give blacks the ability to be even more irresponsible than they are by refusing to hold them to account for their decisions.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anon

  12. The Amazon stance is a standard corporate delaying tactic aiming to slow union momentum, which gives the company more time to convince employees union formation is against their best interests.

    On the other hand, US unions like mail-ballot voting because it sidelines NLRB-supervised in-person voting.

    US unions supported Biden.

    If you think Biden won fairly, then you’re a fool and deserve what’s coming.

  13. @Polistra
    @Hypnotoad666


    It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud.
     
    Sure, it's been said...by Nazis and white supremacists. Until Jan 20 that is; afterward anyone can say it. Hey why do 'we' still capitalize Nazis?

    But I won’t say any more about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”
     
    You're much safer here than elsewhere. For the moment.

    Replies: @Dmon

    WaPo got scooped months ago. Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on – Lauren’s getting to the age where she’s going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Dmon


    a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles
     
    LOL. They just don't make cars like they used to, right?
    , @JimB
    @Dmon


    Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on – Lauren’s getting to the age where she’s going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.
     
    Bezos and all the other Biden election fixers can hang out on Dorsey’s Lolita Island in French Polynesia.
  14. @Anon
    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anon, @Pericles, @gent, @Corvinus

    sacred halls of American democracy

    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    • LOL: BB753, Rosie
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Stan Adams

    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    "Think of the paintings! Oh, won't somebody please think of the paintings!"

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @captflee
    @Stan Adams

    Now, it's been a while since this old sailor visited a Latin American whorehouse, but I do recall that an abundance of religiously themed art on their walls was a common theme, surely to a vastly greater extent than in the Capitol of this officially godless empire. And, as I was more than once informed by locals, the girls were always front and center at Mass Sunday morning, the most faithful of celebrants.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  15. So the takeaway from the article is that Bezos is willing to endanger the lives of his workers in order to prevent them from unionizing. And this article is published in Bezos’ own newspaper.

    For some reason I still struggle to hold these two ideas in my head at the same time:

    – It’s better that this article was published than not published.
    – Bezos is so powerful that he doesn’t have the need to kill articles like this.

    (A less egregious example of the same thing from 2017: Washington Post: We tried Amazon Key. The strangers it let in our door wasn’t the worst part.)

  16. The Bezos Blog reports on Bezos.

  17. OT: What a difference a day makes

  18. The US must maintain mail-in voting to ensure its decline into a 3rd world nation; unless it costs oligarchs money.

  19. @TruthRevolution.net
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Once you are dishonest, you get into logical contradiction. How fine that white male logic does not count. Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you why Amazon voting is different from defeating Trump. Right wing males cannot understand that /end sarcasm

    https://sincerity.net/fail-safe/


    An election is NOT innocent-until-proven-guilty. An election is corrupted and invalid until proven safe. An election must not even be potentially fraudulent. The burden of proof must be inverted.

    If party observers are absent, counting must stop (fail safety)
    If observers cannot clearly see signature verification, counting must stop
    A nuclear power plant, it gets shut down if anything suspicious is happening.
    Like a nuclear power plant, or an airplane, vote counts must be proven safe, and fail safe with multiple concurrent safety measures.
    An election must be PROVEN to be inviolate, safe against any fraud. It should not required to prove actual voter fraud. Any potential loop hole invalidates the the election.

    We must not have an election, where cheating is possible and unverifiable.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Die elektronische Abstimmung ist noch schlimmer.

  20. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    all such allegations are “debunked.”

    They were not so much debunked as, first, ignored, and then completely replaced by the fake “outrage” with the Capitol invasion.

    It’s almost as if that very curious invasion served as a distraction: “Look, a squirrel!”

    • Agree: El Dato
  21. As for Bezos. With these folks, it’s always: “one set of rules for me, another set of rules for you”.

    They don’t even care anymore that you see it, proving that we are already in a caste system, where even pretences of equality are ignored.

    • Agree: JimB
    • Replies: @mmack
    @Dumbo

    I’m hoping we get some hot Blue on Blue conflict between Oligarchs and the working man (and woman). Amazon workers should join the Teamsters. At least that group has, or at least had, the muscle to break bones and burn trucks. Image roughneck Teamsters scaring the piss out of Old Baldy organizing his workers and beating up the middle management he sends to “deal” with them. Heck, AOC might join the workers for photo ops and lend her support. After all she doesn’t like Amazon.

    (Full disclosure: I don’t know what the Teamsters Union is like today. I based my images on them from my memories of reading stories about them in the past.)

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @rexl

    , @Barnard
    @Dumbo

    Wouldn't it be easier for Bezos to have the company mail in fraudulent no ballots? Also this is Alabama these people are not naturally inclined to think positively about joining a union. How bad are the working conditions and what is this corrupt union going to do for them?

  22. https://patriots.win/p/11SJxqJtDh/-democrats-introduce-their-first/

    H.R.1

    A BILL…To expand Americans’ access to the ballot box

    States and localities have eroded access to the right to vote through restrictions on the right to vote including excessively onerous voter identification requirements, burdensome voter registration procedures, voter purges, limited and unequal access to voting by mail, polling place closures

    [MORE]


    PROHIBITING STATE FROM REQUIRING APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE MORE THAN LAST 4 DIGITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER

    no person, other than a State or local election official, shall submit a formal challenge to an individual’s eligibility to register to vote in an election for Federal office

    SEC. 307. PROMOTING ABILITY OF VOTERS TO VOTE BY MAIL

    the State may not impose any additional conditions or requirements on the eligibility of the individual to cast the vote in such election by absentee ballot by mail

    A State may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot

    A State may not require notarization or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation) as a condition of obtaining or casting an absentee ballot

    PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT

    if a State has in effect a requirement that an individual present identification as a condition of receiving and casting a ballot …the State shall permit the individual to meet the requirement… by presenting the appropriate State or local election official with a sworn written statement, signed by the individual under penalty of perjury, attesting to the individual’s identity

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    > H.R.1, A BILL…To expand Americans’ access to the ballot box

    Quite the case study for Mencken's "democracy, good and hard" quip.

    I particularly like the concern about voter purges. No, not a prohibition of Stalinist liquidation of kulaks at the ballot box. Rather, HR1's sponsors are outlawing efforts to purge the voter rolls of double entries, dead folks, non-citizens, vacant-lot addresses, seniors in Palm Beach, and the like.

    Do all of the other SurveyMonkey-ization provisions of the bill make the Purge aspirations more comedic or more tragic? I have to vote [sic] for comedy -- enjoy the decline.

  23. Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a “cowboy-American” and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren’t you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country.
     
    But James Comey said it’s the Republican Party which must be burned to the ground, not Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter who are champions of free shipping and anodyne political speech.
    , @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It would all be so different now had Steve toptenned some baldhead jokes.
    Semi-OT stupidity below the tag.

    Someone upthread brought up a Star Wars vehicle traveling a particular trade route "in less than twelve parsecs," which sounds like an error because a parsec is not a measurement of time (ie, this is not a proper analog to "less than twelve days"). But Star Wars is loose space fantasy and the faster vehicles regularly exploit hyperspace or faster than light hand-waving. If we were able to get as practical with Einsteinian physics as we have done with Newtonian, could hyperspace technology impose a multiplicity of distances possibly traveled (eg, as "felt" by the vehicle as evidenced in wear and fuel consumption), separate of the "actual" distance traveled? In other words, instead of a simple scientifically illiterate typo, could "less than twelve parsecs" actually be a relativity-literate competitive attribute?
    I assume this is wrong and promise to never bring this up again.

    , @HammerJack
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Don't see why Amazon is significantly more pernicious than Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, CNN, NYT, and on and on.

    Amazon may be larger, but there's not a hairsbreadth of diversity among them when it comes to politics or worldview.



    AT&T was broken up to our great loss because it was declared a Monopoly.

    Unlike Facebook, Twitter, and Google, AT&T was a Regulated Monopoly that did not abuse its power, did not censor or cut off phone service to those whose views it disapproved, and it did not serve as a propaganda ministry for a political party.
     

    (Paul Craig Roberts)
    , @Verymuchalive
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    But first you need to nullify the government that gave him the monopoly . But that still won't save America as a country. Things are too far gone for that. But it would facilitate the partition of the United States. Parts of the country could secede and form states for sensible white Americans, governed by sensible laws which benefit white Americans. The rest of the country can go to hell - and it shall !

    , @Corvinus
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines."

    I wouldn't go that far.

    "Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified..."

    Certainly.

    "if America is to survive as a country."

    iSteve Hypebole on your part.

    "This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue."

    Agreed.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Morton's toes
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The Jeff Bezos Project is an adjunct of the new world order's total information awareness department. Nothing could kill it short of thermonuclear war or a new Robespierre.

    If we are going to live we need to live with it.

    Personally I believe that Jeff Bezos is not a sovereign entity and he is on a really really short leash but even my friends think I am a conspiracy nut.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?"

    Subtle sarcasm is the best sarcasm but is sometimes difficult to detect. It's important to remember there are nine Steves: I believe Unz Steve duties are divided between Steve numbers 2 and 7. Steve number one, the original Steve, spends most of his time ensconced in Howard Hughes's old top floor pad at the Desert Inn watching Ice Station Zebra. In fact, it was the Hughes Corporation where the Steves began their lives: Sometime in the late 1950s CIA science wizard Sidney Gottlieb took a break from torturing children and used a secret lab built beneath the Hughes Aircraft complex in Burbank to create golems using an ancient formula the Templars discovered in Solomon's Temple. Dr. Gottlieb named his golems Steve. My point is this: If you have a problem with subtle Steve direct your complaints to Steves 2 and 7 not Desert Inn Steve.

    Replies: @Dmon, @duncsbaby

  24. Something happened in Tacoma, Washington.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Up Jeff Bezos Way huh! Naughty Cop! RT says the vid is 'sickening' -- what do you think? Didn't make me sick at all. One thing I do know is that if the driver isn't identified right away we can conclude at least one thing about him.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/KBoomhauer/status/1353189400717365248

    https://twitter.com/KBoomhauer/status/1353206869586632704

    , @Known Fact
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I wanted to be outraged about something but couldn't tell from the vid who was doing what to who. So here's an actual news report.

    https://mynorthwest.com/2499451/tacoma-police-officer-crowd-downtown/

    The crowd had gathered and was blocking traffic for some "street racing," so the cop cruiser showed up, was surrounded by the angry locals and quite understandably turned several of them into human speed bumps as the cop drove off to safety

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lol! Tacoma is the consummate shithole.

  25. McCain back in the new.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This is certain to expand the AZ GOP's appeal, leading to a landslide Red win in 2024.

  26. The Millenium Falcon could do the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsec.

    The Millenial Leftie can do the Dime Turn in under one Washington Post issue. Especially if it means he can morally support an imperial oligarch while doing so.

    Off-quotic:

    We must depoliticise life in the West otherwise we will turn into a totalitarian society where nothing is personal anymore

    In 1938 the great Irishman William Butler Yeats wrote a poem called ‘Politics’. It could perhaps, more accurately have been entitled ‘Anti-Politics’. War is looming, everything is political, “And there’s a politician That has both read and thought” in the room but Yeats reminds us there is something much more important. In reference to “that girl standing there,” he writes “But O that I were young again, And held her in my arms.”

    In the choice between the personal and the political, between listening to the politician, or romancing (even if only in his imagination), the poet chooses the personal. He is right to do so. Totalitarian societies come about when people do the opposite. When they put politics before the personal. When they betray old friendships for ‘the cause’, or put ‘following the party line’ before family and loved ones.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Yes.


    Totalitarian societies come about when people do the opposite. When they put politics before the personal.
     
    Totalitarian societies are supported by ugly girls and by men who can't get laid.

    The fact that a certain demographic has a disproportionate amount of those traits is one reason why that demographic has figured so often in events that have lead to such societies, and why it has repeatedly been despised and cast out.

    To put it bluntly: ugly, envious nerds are responsible for a lot of the shit the rest of us have to go through.

  27. @Dmon
    @Polistra

    WaPo got scooped months ago. Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on - Lauren's getting to the age where she's going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

    Replies: @Polistra, @JimB

    a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles

    LOL. They just don’t make cars like they used to, right?

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    Something happened in Tacoma, Washington.

    https://twitter.com/jasonjgauthier/status/1353185183512465410

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Up Jeff Bezos Way huh! Naughty Cop! RT says the vid is ‘sickening’ — what do you think? Didn’t make me sick at all. One thing I do know is that if the driver isn’t identified right away we can conclude at least one thing about him.

    • Agree: Kyle, HammerJack
  29. OT:

    An interesting sport event. An apparently promising rookie on the Celtics, Payton Pritchard, had been having a good season until a teammate, Jeylen Brown, did a dive and in the process, landed a lot of his body weight on the top of one of his kneecaps, apparently badly injuring him with Pritchard crying seemingly scared he has injured himself out of the season or NBA.

    None of Pritchard’s teammates seem to care and go on like there is a technical fault pausing the game. I don’t need to explain Pritchard’s race. From his wiki it seems Prithcard is a middle class WASP from Oregon. Which means given he also plays basketball that he’d be all the ‘ally’ for BLM anyone could ever want but also means there is probably more sociological distance between him and the other players than almost anyone else who might be an NBA player.

    Comments don’t mention race but are amazed at the indifference of his teammates.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Altai

    OTOH, if he's an ally it's going to be more painful than usual to be on his knees. They don't care? Of course they don't care. They are virulent racists, but not to worry: it's the 'good' kind of racism.

    Meanwhile, on the bright side of sporting news, Conor McGregor got his ath whupped. By an American. A Southerner.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/24/conor-mcgregor-dustin-poirier-knockout-ufc-257

    https://playerswiki.com/uploads/news/image/dustin-poirier-makes-conor-mcgregor-vs-khabib-nurmagomedov-prediction.jpg

    , @Dan Hayes
    @Altai

    That’s what happens for consorting with different races. How infuriatingly sad!

    , @Hibernian
    @Altai

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Miroti%C4%87

    What Wikipedia calls an "altercation" consisted of "teammate" Bobby Portis hauling off and punching him at practice. The Bulls refused to trade him, then traded him to the Pelicans, then the Pelicans traded him to the Bucks; now he's playing in Spain.

  30. @Stan Adams
    @Anon


    sacred halls of American democracy
     
    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @captflee

    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    “Think of the paintings! Oh, won’t somebody please think of the paintings!”

    • LOL: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Harry Baldwin

    "The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    'Think of the paintings! Oh, won’t somebody please think of the paintings!'”

    I don't recognize that quotation, Harry. Did Belle Watling say that in Gone With the Wind about her house of ill-repute during the burning of Atlanta?

  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    Something happened in Tacoma, Washington.

    https://twitter.com/jasonjgauthier/status/1353185183512465410

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

  32. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    Even Steve Sailer wouldn’t touch the subject. Under our new laws, any mention of voter fraud can get your webpage taken down. Even here on unz.com.
    Our new masters should code-name the deplatforming of dissenters to the new regime “the scouring of the Shire”, if they had read any books, that is.
    As I said months ago, what happened in 2020 in America simply was an “American spring” soft coup, much like those performed by the CIA in foreign countries.
    For the theory, see : Gene Sharp, From Dictatorship to Democracy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/gene-sharp-dead-arab-spring-political-scientist

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  33. @Altai
    OT:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqtKmdjYC0

    An interesting sport event. An apparently promising rookie on the Celtics, Payton Pritchard, had been having a good season until a teammate, Jeylen Brown, did a dive and in the process, landed a lot of his body weight on the top of one of his kneecaps, apparently badly injuring him with Pritchard crying seemingly scared he has injured himself out of the season or NBA.

    None of Pritchard's teammates seem to care and go on like there is a technical fault pausing the game. I don't need to explain Pritchard's race. From his wiki it seems Prithcard is a middle class WASP from Oregon. Which means given he also plays basketball that he'd be all the 'ally' for BLM anyone could ever want but also means there is probably more sociological distance between him and the other players than almost anyone else who might be an NBA player.

    Comments don't mention race but are amazed at the indifference of his teammates.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dan Hayes, @Hibernian

    OTOH, if he’s an ally it’s going to be more painful than usual to be on his knees. They don’t care? Of course they don’t care. They are virulent racists, but not to worry: it’s the ‘good’ kind of racism.

    Meanwhile, on the bright side of sporting news, Conor McGregor got his ath whupped. By an American. A Southerner.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/24/conor-mcgregor-dustin-poirier-knockout-ufc-257

  34. @Polistra
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you
     
    Preach it brah! I happen to have some Ayanna Presley gifs to straighten out these racists even more.

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/816417d3d37ed0c73376436722665b29bf07074d9213e6650c1511f51bf15f15_1.jpg

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/fe5f565d7acba5fc9103cb5effeb5758/tumblr_pntqpfcPOZ1vqg3j6_1280.jpg

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIF.jLmH5vmdGg5Tig2fLEbjFA%26pid%3DApi&f=1

    Replies: @Richard B

    Just look at those self-important POC posers appropriating White Man Serious.

  35. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    AP is a parody of narcissism. Then again, in an age of absurdities the line between parody and reality is often blurred. Either way, she’s a narc. One of the worst.

    She might be too dumb and full of herself to see the one to one relation between her rise and America’s decline, but the rest of us can.

    In any event, part of the fun of being alive today is watching White Karens* trying to keep a poker face while praising The Squad. It’s a stretch even for them.

    *I like to refer to them as The KKK (The Ku Klux Karens). Of course, instead of the pointy hood they have a pointy head. So, maybe it should be The Ku Klux Kretins.

  36. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country.

    But James Comey said it’s the Republican Party which must be burned to the ground, not Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter who are champions of free shipping and anodyne political speech.

  37. @Altai
    OT:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqtKmdjYC0

    An interesting sport event. An apparently promising rookie on the Celtics, Payton Pritchard, had been having a good season until a teammate, Jeylen Brown, did a dive and in the process, landed a lot of his body weight on the top of one of his kneecaps, apparently badly injuring him with Pritchard crying seemingly scared he has injured himself out of the season or NBA.

    None of Pritchard's teammates seem to care and go on like there is a technical fault pausing the game. I don't need to explain Pritchard's race. From his wiki it seems Prithcard is a middle class WASP from Oregon. Which means given he also plays basketball that he'd be all the 'ally' for BLM anyone could ever want but also means there is probably more sociological distance between him and the other players than almost anyone else who might be an NBA player.

    Comments don't mention race but are amazed at the indifference of his teammates.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dan Hayes, @Hibernian

    That’s what happens for consorting with different races. How infuriatingly sad!

  38. WELL COME ON MAN!! he doesn’t want a rigged election ….you can’t blame him ,after all , Amazon is soooooo much more important than the United States of America.

  39. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    And why does “Policy” equal “Gibs” for certain people?

    Well, like most college loan recipients, Blacks get in deep for a year or two, the education gets a little too deep and they drop out, leaving this debt on the ledger. And that’s good, the Blacks dropping out, because when the idiots stay in college, can’t cope, then they get mad and cause trouble, like that incident at Dartmouth a couple of years back. On the issue of The Squad, just look at those three idiots, thinking’s they’re important, how they’ve been elevated to a point where they think they’re somebody. Their districts send them there, but they’ll never bring home the bacon to their districts because instead of learning finance and the process in the House to get in on Ways and Means, they’re mere shit-stirrers. They’re house-wreckers. Carnival barkers, and of course, idiots.

    Is there a degree among them? Who knows? Because in the case of these three idiots, it would only have been awarded, not earned.

  40. @Anon
    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anon, @Pericles, @gent, @Corvinus

    Give it up, there was no decisive fraud. Trump simply was a very bad candidate and low-competence president.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Disagree: Hippopotamusdrome
    • Replies: @V. Hickel
    @Anon

    always with the weaselly qualifiers. no decisive fraud; no widespread fraud.

    , @alt right moderate
    @Anon

    The problem is coming up with credible proof in a reasonable time frame. If you can't do that, then middle-of -the-road voters will believe you are no better than some far leftist who argues that racism is everywhere and the police should be defunded.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  41. Maybe off topic:

    Steve

    In all of your commentary on Unz Review there has been way more commentary about sports than the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…as far as I remmber 0 commentary….from which the Hindu Racial Jack Boot in the form POTUS Kamala Harris will be on the throats of White Working Class Americans.

    Imagine an alternative universe where 90 percent of your Unz Commentary was on the 1965 Immigration Reform Act……

  42. When are the Washington Post staff unionising?

  43. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    It would all be so different now had Steve toptenned some baldhead jokes.
    Semi-OT stupidity below the tag.

    [MORE]

    Someone upthread brought up a Star Wars vehicle traveling a particular trade route “in less than twelve parsecs,” which sounds like an error because a parsec is not a measurement of time (ie, this is not a proper analog to “less than twelve days”). But Star Wars is loose space fantasy and the faster vehicles regularly exploit hyperspace or faster than light hand-waving. If we were able to get as practical with Einsteinian physics as we have done with Newtonian, could hyperspace technology impose a multiplicity of distances possibly traveled (eg, as “felt” by the vehicle as evidenced in wear and fuel consumption), separate of the “actual” distance traveled? In other words, instead of a simple scientifically illiterate typo, could “less than twelve parsecs” actually be a relativity-literate competitive attribute?
    I assume this is wrong and promise to never bring this up again.

  44. That’s a very interesting headline. You could have ended it before “because”. The final phrase contains no really relevant information. Why did you include it? Because you want to have your cake and eat it too?

  45. @Dumbo
    As for Bezos. With these folks, it's always: "one set of rules for me, another set of rules for you".

    They don't even care anymore that you see it, proving that we are already in a caste system, where even pretences of equality are ignored.

    Replies: @mmack, @Barnard

    I’m hoping we get some hot Blue on Blue conflict between Oligarchs and the working man (and woman). Amazon workers should join the Teamsters. At least that group has, or at least had, the muscle to break bones and burn trucks. Image roughneck Teamsters scaring the piss out of Old Baldy organizing his workers and beating up the middle management he sends to “deal” with them. Heck, AOC might join the workers for photo ops and lend her support. After all she doesn’t like Amazon.

    (Full disclosure: I don’t know what the Teamsters Union is like today. I based my images on them from my memories of reading stories about them in the past.)

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @mmack

    I’m in a teamsters union. In the Chicago area. It’s so weak, it’s pathetic. All a company or government agency (like IDOT) has to do to neutralize what little power teamsters have is to make something “company policy”. So for example, if company policy on sexual harassment, or threats of violence, or cell phones in the truck, or whatever, is “zero tolerance,” all the company needs is an accusation and buh-bye! working class truck driver!

    If you want to join a strong union, join the ones airline pilots belong to. Their reps are pit bulls and the union has lawyers waiting to litigate anything. Not so in the teamsters.

    , @rexl
    @mmack

    I lost all faith in the Teamsters when they were told their pensions would be reduced because the moneychangers had lost eleven billion. Instead of them closing the door, and saying to the offenders "you may have lost someone's money, but not ours." When they did not say that, I lost all respect for the Teamsters, and in fact, I lost all respect for might making right.

  46. @Anon
    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anon, @Pericles, @gent, @Corvinus

    Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.

    Wat.

  47. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    Don’t see why Amazon is significantly more pernicious than Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, CNN, NYT, and on and on.

    Amazon may be larger, but there’s not a hairsbreadth of diversity among them when it comes to politics or worldview.

    [MORE]

    AT&T was broken up to our great loss because it was declared a Monopoly.

    Unlike Facebook, Twitter, and Google, AT&T was a Regulated Monopoly that did not abuse its power, did not censor or cut off phone service to those whose views it disapproved, and it did not serve as a propaganda ministry for a political party.

    (Paul Craig Roberts)

  48. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    But first you need to nullify the government that gave him the monopoly . But that still won’t save America as a country. Things are too far gone for that. But it would facilitate the partition of the United States. Parts of the country could secede and form states for sensible white Americans, governed by sensible laws which benefit white Americans. The rest of the country can go to hell – and it shall !

  49. @Dumbo
    As for Bezos. With these folks, it's always: "one set of rules for me, another set of rules for you".

    They don't even care anymore that you see it, proving that we are already in a caste system, where even pretences of equality are ignored.

    Replies: @mmack, @Barnard

    Wouldn’t it be easier for Bezos to have the company mail in fraudulent no ballots? Also this is Alabama these people are not naturally inclined to think positively about joining a union. How bad are the working conditions and what is this corrupt union going to do for them?

  50. @Anon
    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anon, @Pericles, @gent, @Corvinus

    >extremely violent
    A single window got broken and cop sperged out and shot a woman.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @gent

    Guess my sarcasm didn’t get across. I meant TPTB got “lucky” the trumpists got carried away so TPTB could hype it even more in the news. What should have been discussed was whether Biden had legitimacy and political capital at the start of his term. The burden of proof should have on Biden’s side, whether he could unite the voters, instead of having Big Everything crack down on “white supremacy”.

    The shooting of the woman was brutal, tho’.

  51. @JohnnyWalker123
    McCain back in the new.

    https://twitter.com/axios/status/1353160684452761601

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    This is certain to expand the AZ GOP’s appeal, leading to a landslide Red win in 2024.

  52. @bicycle
    Its almost like amazon insists on in-person voting because they know its dangerous and people won't show up to vote...

    Replies: @chris moffatt

    harder to physically intimidate people who are voting by mail.

  53. @Anon
    Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?

    The “everybody cheats” meme is infantile when you consider:
    a) the swift coronation by the media of Biden
    b) on Jan 6th, the question on the public agenda should have been Biden’s legitimacy. Instead it was the very fortuitous and extremely violent assault on the sacred halls of American democracy.
    c) the sheer animus in the persecution of Trump and trumpists.

    Trump was no agile politician, but you have take your hat off to the Great American Reset.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anon, @Pericles, @gent, @Corvinus

    “Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?”

    No. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corvinus

    1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists.
    2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence.
    3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case.

    The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-porter-wright/law-firm-porter-wright-withdraws-from-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania-idUSKBN27T23U

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2HX04C

    Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning? Please.

    The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Guest29048

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus

    Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point. Courts don't have snap trials on fraud allegations. The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it's over.

    The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence. Why won't they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes? Why won't they exam those ballots to see if they are legit? Or look at the machine logs to see if these were the 30K 100% Biden vote spike that won the election for him?

    How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?

    If they want people to believe in this election they need to do more than squawk that the courts did nothing. And if they blow up the filibuster and pass a mail-in fraud mandate no election will ever be believable again. It will just be a question of who cheats best.

    Replies: @Garlic, @Corvinus

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus


    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?
     
    Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn't want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website.

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?
     
    According to the article you link to it's because: "an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case." Since you obviously don't know what legal "standing" means, it's a technicality that says she isn't in the category of people that are allowed to challenge the vote certification. It has nothing to do with insufficient evidence of fraud.

    Also, since Biden has already been inaugurated, the lawsuit is obviously moot.


    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?
     
    Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever.

    The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people's propaganda that you don't even understand.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Corvinus

  54. British trade union officials in the 70s wanted a public show of hands so they could intimidate union members.

    Now it’s not Commies doing the intimidating.

    Or is it?

  55. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    “My hair story is no exception.” (has no hair)

  56. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.”

    I wouldn’t go that far.

    “Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified…”

    Certainly.

    “if America is to survive as a country.”

    iSteve Hypebole on your part.

    “This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.”

    Agreed.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Corvinus

    Hey! I agree whole-heartedly. Except in that I'm opposed to capital punishment but I make an exception in his case.

  57. @Hypnotoad666
    It's been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won't say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are "debunked."

    Replies: @Polistra, @TruthRevolution.net, @BenKenobi, @Dumbo, @BB753, @James B. Shearer

    “It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.””

    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial “boy who cried wolf problem”. He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn’t seem to bother his admirers.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.
     
    I was going to say something rude, like that you are an idiot. But then I realized it's not your fault. You are still in a stage where you actually believe the MSM.

    What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It's not the he "couldnt" find evidence, it's that he never looked.

    The MSM endlessly repeated this talking point on a loop, along with the dishonest talking point that there is no fraud if court cases on procedural issues are dismissed.

    By contrast, the fact they refuse to actually inyerview or investigate poll workers who were seen cheating by eyewitness testimony is a lot more telling.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @Bill Jones
    @James B. Shearer

    Thanks for the laugh,
    My theme for 2021 is "Satire is dead" but yours was a good shot.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @James B. Shearer


    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.
     
    Much like Trump's own National Security Advisor, John Bolton, couldn't find any convincing reason to not bomb Iran, therefore there can't be any such reason, eh?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @James B. Shearer



    Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud.

     

    I wonder why?


    Jeffrey A. Rosen
    Rosen was born to a Jewish family in Boston and grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts.

     

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  58. @JohnnyWalker123
    Something happened in Tacoma, Washington.

    https://twitter.com/jasonjgauthier/status/1353185183512465410

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I wanted to be outraged about something but couldn’t tell from the vid who was doing what to who. So here’s an actual news report.

    https://mynorthwest.com/2499451/tacoma-police-officer-crowd-downtown/

    The crowd had gathered and was blocking traffic for some “street racing,” so the cop cruiser showed up, was surrounded by the angry locals and quite understandably turned several of them into human speed bumps as the cop drove off to safety

  59. OT: is there anywhere safe we can crowdsource a very politically incorrect alternative intro-psych textbook? Starting with evolutionary psych, and ending with AI?

  60. @Hippopotamusdrome
    https://patriots.win/p/11SJxqJtDh/-democrats-introduce-their-first/


    H.R.1
    ...
    A BILL...To expand Americans’ access to the ballot box
    ...
    States and localities have eroded access to the right to vote through restrictions on the right to vote including excessively onerous voter identification requirements, burdensome voter registration procedures, voter purges, limited and unequal access to voting by mail, polling place closures

     



    ...
    PROHIBITING STATE FROM REQUIRING APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE MORE THAN LAST 4 DIGITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
    ...
    no person, other than a State or local election official, shall submit a formal challenge to an individual’s eligibility to register to vote in an election for Federal office
    ...
    SEC. 307. PROMOTING ABILITY OF VOTERS TO VOTE BY MAIL
    ...
    the State may not impose any additional conditions or requirements on the eligibility of the individual to cast the vote in such election by absentee ballot by mail
    ...
    A State may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot
    ...
    A State may not require notarization or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation) as a condition of obtaining or casting an absentee ballot
    ...
    PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT
    ...
    if a State has in effect a requirement that an individual present identification as a condition of receiving and casting a ballot ...the State shall permit the individual to meet the requirement... by presenting the appropriate State or local election official with a sworn written statement, signed by the individual under penalty of perjury, attesting to the individual’s identity

     

    Replies: @ic1000

    > H.R.1, A BILL…To expand Americans’ access to the ballot box

    Quite the case study for Mencken’s “democracy, good and hard” quip.

    I particularly like the concern about voter purges. No, not a prohibition of Stalinist liquidation of kulaks at the ballot box. Rather, HR1’s sponsors are outlawing efforts to purge the voter rolls of double entries, dead folks, non-citizens, vacant-lot addresses, seniors in Palm Beach, and the like.

    Do all of the other SurveyMonkey-ization provisions of the bill make the Purge aspirations more comedic or more tragic? I have to vote [sic] for comedy — enjoy the decline.

  61. Bezos is correct…the pandemic was never that bad and certainly should not have been used to change the rules of our presidential election by banning in-person voting in many states.

  62. More proof – as if any more is needed – that no one in charge takes the CoronaHoax seriously. They all know it’s a hoax, including Creepy Joe Diapers who is often seen undiapered on federal property even after signing an order mandating facial diapers on all federal property.

    • Replies: @adreadline
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You're great, Mateen. When the time comes for you to go, know it was a pleasure to have you.

    Inconsistent non-use of Facediapers™

    It's a hoax
    and Unz wept

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5NsnYxNku_o/maxresdefault.jpg

  63. @JohnnyWalker123
    Something happened in Tacoma, Washington.

    https://twitter.com/jasonjgauthier/status/1353185183512465410

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Lol! Tacoma is the consummate shithole.

  64. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?"

    No. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn't Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hypnotoad666

    1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists.
    2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence.
    3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case.

    The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-porter-wright/law-firm-porter-wright-withdraws-from-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania-idUSKBN27T23U

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2HX04C

    Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning? Please.

    The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists."

    Why would there be fear for the American Thinker telling the truth? They LIED about Dominion Voting. Why can't you admit that fact?

    "2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence."

    I thought Trump hires the best people. Now you are admitting his team significantly lacked jurisprudence? I thought their evidence to prove massive fraud was a sure slam dunk.

    Now, is it true what happened in Germany? How do you know for certain?

    "3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case."

    Basically, you have marbles in your mouth. Again, how do you specifically address the fact they said they did not allege fraud?

    "The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms"

    So, as you stated, incompetence, which is other than worthy of a second term perhaps.

    "Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning?"

    You're not being accurate here.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-no-vote-counting-democrat-led-states-hasnt-stopped/6163978002/

    "The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions."

    You are peddling Fake News.

    , @Guest29048
    @Anon

    "AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms"

    Yup. I wish everyone would watch a couple minutes of ret. Judge James Troupis's testimony at a hearing before the Wisconsin legislature.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoZ_twAum5M
    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/fired-election-official-chris-krebs-senate-testimony-on-2020-election-security-transcript
    Senator, thank you very much. I want to say that right off the bat, that I’m honored to represent the president. I was honored to get the call, but I’m not naive. One of the reasons I was called is because virtually every major law firm in this country and in this city refused to represent the president, not because of the lack of merit of his claims, we’ve certainly demonstrated there’s merit, but because of the cancel culture, because of the environment that has been created by the left that has intimidated lawyers so they can’t be here. They’re not here from the giant law firms, precisely because they were ordered by their management committees and others, that you cannot take those cases. And the reason you cannot take those cases is because our clients or the Democratic Party or the incoming administration will remember that and they will hold it against you.
    That’s a sad state of affairs. As a former judge, I was so incensed by that that I took the representation. That was the ultimate reason I took that representation. And I’ve heard a lot today about what went on afterwards as if these latest threats are coming from the right. Remember why and how this started after the election. We need to have faith in our court system. We have to acknowledge that the court system has been deeply intimidated by the left, just as the lawyers have been intimidated. And that is a sad, sad state of affairs. …

  65. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    The Jeff Bezos Project is an adjunct of the new world order’s total information awareness department. Nothing could kill it short of thermonuclear war or a new Robespierre.

    If we are going to live we need to live with it.

    Personally I believe that Jeff Bezos is not a sovereign entity and he is on a really really short leash but even my friends think I am a conspiracy nut.

  66. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    Who cares what kind of a clown the woman is? Trump is a clown. Who cares what kind of a clown he is?

    And whatzamatter with canceling student debt, mortgage, and rent for the duration? And don’t tell me they can’t afford it.

  67. You buried the lede.

    You think the lede topic is “mail-in votes.”

    More fool you.

    It’s not.

    The lede topic is “unionization.”

    The unionization of Amazon would be an incalculable boon to mankind. The bozos on here, like you, oppose unions. Because they and you are fools and clowns.

    • Thanks: Abe
  68. @Corvinus
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines."

    I wouldn't go that far.

    "Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified..."

    Certainly.

    "if America is to survive as a country."

    iSteve Hypebole on your part.

    "This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue."

    Agreed.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Hey! I agree whole-heartedly. Except in that I’m opposed to capital punishment but I make an exception in his case.

  69. @BenKenobi
    @Hypnotoad666

    Mail-in voting is okay for penny-ante stuff like the US presidential election. But this is an Amazon warehouse attempting to unionize, people! I sure hope they have to show ID to cast a ballot.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Bill Jones

    LOL!

  70. So Covid isn’t really a big enough deal to warrant a mail-in unionization vote, but it is a big enough deal to break Bezos’ labor force in line for vaccines, courtesy of the Biden administration.

  71. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve Sailer wrote laudatory puff pieces about this POS, Jeff Bezos, calling him a "cowboy-American" and comparing him to the kid at the end of the Western movie who would grow up to be the richest man in the world.

    Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?

    Amazon also endangered the lives of untold numbers of Americans by waiting until after the Biden election to announce its willingness to ship vaccines.

    Jeff Bezos and Amazon must be nullified if America is to survive as a country. This predatory oligarch with his government monopoly on commerce cannot be allowed to continue.

    Replies: @JimB, @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Verymuchalive, @Corvinus, @Morton's toes, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Aren’t you glad you did that, Steve?”

    Subtle sarcasm is the best sarcasm but is sometimes difficult to detect. It’s important to remember there are nine Steves: I believe Unz Steve duties are divided between Steve numbers 2 and 7. Steve number one, the original Steve, spends most of his time ensconced in Howard Hughes’s old top floor pad at the Desert Inn watching Ice Station Zebra. In fact, it was the Hughes Corporation where the Steves began their lives: Sometime in the late 1950s CIA science wizard Sidney Gottlieb took a break from torturing children and used a secret lab built beneath the Hughes Aircraft complex in Burbank to create golems using an ancient formula the Templars discovered in Solomon’s Temple. Dr. Gottlieb named his golems Steve. My point is this: If you have a problem with subtle Steve direct your complaints to Steves 2 and 7 not Desert Inn Steve.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    That's the most baseless conspiracy theory I've ever heard. Hughes Aircraft was in Culver City, not Burbank. And besides, Hughes Aircraft was legendary in the industry for being high-tech and expensive. The original R&D work may have leveraged golems for the demos, but by the time they built prototype units for performance verification and environmental test they had switched over to androids, which cost more but have a far more robust control and telemetry interface.

    , @duncsbaby
    @SunBakedSuburb

    You say there are only 7 Steves in total, but I believe that it's an infinite number of Steves all the way down.

  72. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    Anything to bust unions. I’m with Bezos on this. When you hear the concrete complaints that the “workers” have (the complainers don’t seem to represent real workers), they are always ridiculous. You can’t take hour-long bathroom breaks? Lordy! Amazon hasn’t air conditioned their seven trillion cubic meter warehouses? Who’d a’ thunk it! A worker was injured? Outrageous! Injury-free blue collar jobs for all!

    Amazon hires non-illegals of all ages and races and square-footage of tattoos, at halfway decent wages.

    At this point it’s a race between the unions organizers and Amazon getting to automated robot warehouses with ten employees, each with a Ph.D.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Anon

    Fuck you, asshole. You are stupid and a liar. Both. Incredible.

  73. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    All bald black women are from the future.

  74. @Stan Adams
    @Anon


    sacred halls of American democracy
     
    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @captflee

    Now, it’s been a while since this old sailor visited a Latin American whorehouse, but I do recall that an abundance of religiously themed art on their walls was a common theme, surely to a vastly greater extent than in the Capitol of this officially godless empire. And, as I was more than once informed by locals, the girls were always front and center at Mass Sunday morning, the most faithful of celebrants.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @captflee

    I’d take any of these “girls” any days over duplicitous pope francis with his back door support of abortion and paganism!

  75. The temptation – one to be resisted – is to use Amazon and Bezos as if they are wholly interchangeable, in the same way people talk about Hitler and Stalin as being wholly synonymous with Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, respectively. These were not monolithic states.

  76. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Totally off topic, but I would love it if you did some articles on movie rating aggregators. Seems like RT is getting more and more liberal biased. Also more positive biased (commercial reasons)? Also, seems like it generally is a bit more into movies I consider pretentious (not because I’m an idiot that wants to see explosions, but because I don’t think “trying to look smart” (like A Beautiful Mind) is actually smart like I donno Whit Stillman.) Then there are interesting things with the audience versus RT ratings. You do also have fanboy movie bias as well (look at the recency bias on IMDB for instance.)

    Anyhow, just think it would be interesting for you given your interest in movies and in market research, polling, etc.

    If you’ve already done it, maybe a commenter can give me link. (I did Google, but not finding anything.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Maybe this is a bit of what I'm seeing in terms of a shift.

    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/updated-tomatometer-critics-criteria/

  77. @Dan Hayes
    I was first alerted to this Bezos Company nonsense in the UR’s “Newslinks” - a very useful tool.

    BYW, are all Washington Post writers also bereft of any sense of irony?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Muggles

    BTW, are all Washington Post writers also bereft of any sense of irony?

    I guess you didn’t get the memo. In contemporary Communist form ‘journalism’ both noting irony and hypocrisy have been forbidden.

    Part of the new Woke Journalism per the MSM, AP, et.al.

    See how easy that was? Welcome to Freedom of the Press, 2021 style.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  78. @Anonymous
    Totally off topic, but I would love it if you did some articles on movie rating aggregators. Seems like RT is getting more and more liberal biased. Also more positive biased (commercial reasons)? Also, seems like it generally is a bit more into movies I consider pretentious (not because I'm an idiot that wants to see explosions, but because I don't think "trying to look smart" (like A Beautiful Mind) is actually smart like I donno Whit Stillman.) Then there are interesting things with the audience versus RT ratings. You do also have fanboy movie bias as well (look at the recency bias on IMDB for instance.)

    Anyhow, just think it would be interesting for you given your interest in movies and in market research, polling, etc.

    If you've already done it, maybe a commenter can give me link. (I did Google, but not finding anything.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Maybe this is a bit of what I’m seeing in terms of a shift.

    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/updated-tomatometer-critics-criteria/

  79. I am trying very hard to hold back… Can someone recommend a therapist so I don’t shit out a whole bunch of comments?

    Mail-it-in voting elected the very Biden/HARRIS, totally-three-part Democrat, anti-White government Steve will now make fun of for the forseable future. It has provided him with an endless supply of material, which he will now mine from the New York Times, etc., for as long as he can hold on in his closet in the Valley.

    The Valley that is fast becoming anti-White, anti-Steve. How long will he remain safely there?

    Mail-it-in voting is the result of the very panic around SARS-CoV-2 that Steve still supports. He is complicit. Now does he see the irony?

    Frankly, though, voting by mail for a union issue can work. As a shareholder, I have voted for many years by mail for various boards of directors. So, I have used it from the opposite side, so-to-speak, and it really isn’t much different, so I take back everything I just wrote. Voting by mail is just fine. LOL.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Frankly, though, voting by mail for a union issue can work.
     
    Voting by mail is fine when the person's identity is known and verified. The other part of the Dem reforms however is to eliminate all authentication of a person's identity. Knowing who's voting suppresses the vote, don't you know.
    , @David
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Steve is also a supporter of Australian Ballot, a system of voting that made it possible to summon Biden votes ex nihilo. J. S. Mill was right. People should take public responsibility for how they vote, just like jurors do.

  80. @Altai
    OT:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqtKmdjYC0

    An interesting sport event. An apparently promising rookie on the Celtics, Payton Pritchard, had been having a good season until a teammate, Jeylen Brown, did a dive and in the process, landed a lot of his body weight on the top of one of his kneecaps, apparently badly injuring him with Pritchard crying seemingly scared he has injured himself out of the season or NBA.

    None of Pritchard's teammates seem to care and go on like there is a technical fault pausing the game. I don't need to explain Pritchard's race. From his wiki it seems Prithcard is a middle class WASP from Oregon. Which means given he also plays basketball that he'd be all the 'ally' for BLM anyone could ever want but also means there is probably more sociological distance between him and the other players than almost anyone else who might be an NBA player.

    Comments don't mention race but are amazed at the indifference of his teammates.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dan Hayes, @Hibernian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Miroti%C4%87

    What Wikipedia calls an “altercation” consisted of “teammate” Bobby Portis hauling off and punching him at practice. The Bulls refused to trade him, then traded him to the Pelicans, then the Pelicans traded him to the Bucks; now he’s playing in Spain.

  81. @El Dato
    The Millenium Falcon could do the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsec.

    The Millenial Leftie can do the Dime Turn in under one Washington Post issue. Especially if it means he can morally support an imperial oligarch while doing so.

    Off-quotic:

    We must depoliticise life in the West otherwise we will turn into a totalitarian society where nothing is personal anymore


    In 1938 the great Irishman William Butler Yeats wrote a poem called ‘Politics’. It could perhaps, more accurately have been entitled ‘Anti-Politics’. War is looming, everything is political, “And there’s a politician That has both read and thought” in the room but Yeats reminds us there is something much more important. In reference to “that girl standing there,” he writes “But O that I were young again, And held her in my arms.”

    In the choice between the personal and the political, between listening to the politician, or romancing (even if only in his imagination), the poet chooses the personal. He is right to do so. Totalitarian societies come about when people do the opposite. When they put politics before the personal. When they betray old friendships for ‘the cause’, or put ‘following the party line’ before family and loved ones.
     

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes.

    Totalitarian societies come about when people do the opposite. When they put politics before the personal.

    Totalitarian societies are supported by ugly girls and by men who can’t get laid.

    The fact that a certain demographic has a disproportionate amount of those traits is one reason why that demographic has figured so often in events that have lead to such societies, and why it has repeatedly been despised and cast out.

    To put it bluntly: ugly, envious nerds are responsible for a lot of the shit the rest of us have to go through.

  82. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/m4QVqFc/ayanna-pressley-hair-story.png

    https://i.ibb.co/y5Rx4S3/ayanna.jpg

    Q: What would we be thanking black women for, exactly? Oh wait...Hidden Figures, right?

    And why does "Policy" equal "Gibs" for certain people?

    That's your 'love language'?? Oh yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

    Replies: @Richard B, @Jim Christian, @Pericles, @obwandiyag, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon

    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?

    “The average tuition & fees of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) is $7,183 for state residents and $14,973 for out-of-state students.

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/compare/historically-black-colleges-and-universities/#:~:text=The%20average%20tuition%20%26%20fees%20of,average%20acceptance%20rate%20is%2064.72%25.

    7K a year for college is cheap. 14K a year for out-of-state students is cheap. Just for perspective, the tuition at the University of Arkansas, a state-supported school, is this: in-state tuition 9,384 USD, Out-of-state tuition 25,872 USD.

    As for non-historic black colleges, they offer scholarships for black students who have lousy test scores by white standards. Blacks get offered a free ride that your average white doesn’t get.

    If black women are carrying more student debt than any other group, it’s because they’re refusing to pay it off.

    Blacks in general are irresponsible when it comes to paying off debts. We all know that. What Ayanna Pressley wants is free college for blacks, period. She wants to give blacks the ability to be even more irresponsible than they are by refusing to hold them to account for their decisions.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    There you go with your raycist facts again.
    This is why The Pretender has pledged to abolish reality.

    , @Anon
    @Anon


    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?
     
    Here are some details:

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/the-huge-racial-gap-in-graduate-school-student-debt/

    There was a big data dump by the NSF recently, the source of the load data, and the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education has been putting out various articles exploring it. For instance:

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/racial-differences-in-the-age-of-doctoral-degree-recipients-in-the-united-states/

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/academic-disciplines-where-african-americans-received-few-or-no-doctorates-in-2019/

    And so on. This website, www.jbhe.com, is a really good resource. I don't know who runs it, but they are not woke at all. Over the years they have managed to get ahold of a lot of taboo data, for instance MCAT and SAT by race stuff that is no longer available to civilians. This section is the best on the site:

    https://www.jbhe.com/research-study/

    Well, here's one recent ridiculous post about, not endorsing, wokeness:

    Study Says Empathy Scores Should Be a Part of Holistic Admissions Process for Medical Schools
    https://www.jbhe.com/research-study/

  83. @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?"

    No. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn't Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hypnotoad666

    Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point. Courts don’t have snap trials on fraud allegations. The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it’s over.

    The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence. Why won’t they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes? Why won’t they exam those ballots to see if they are legit? Or look at the machine logs to see if these were the 30K 100% Biden vote spike that won the election for him?

    How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?

    If they want people to believe in this election they need to do more than squawk that the courts did nothing. And if they blow up the filibuster and pass a mail-in fraud mandate no election will ever be believable again. It will just be a question of who cheats best.

    • Agree: Garlic
    • Replies: @Garlic
    @Hypnotoad666

    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?

    The accepted opinion is that vote fraud if it existed, of course would be serious, but it’s been debunked (never mind how, it’s just been debunked).

    It would therefore follow logically that the sworn affidavits alleging vote fraud constitute perjury.

    Therefore again, all the voices who are loudest that there was no vote fraud should also be calling for full investigations into the sworn allegations so that the false swearers may be prosecuted for perjury.

    For odd, inexplicable reasons, this is not happening.

    Why not?, we might wonder.

    It certainly couldn’t be because any of the allegations could be confirmed: there’s no danger of that whatsoever, not when we’ve been assured they’ve been “debunked”!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point."

    Not in the least. The courts asked for evidence. Trump's lawyers didn't provide it.

    "The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it’s over."

    And Trump's lawyers went to court with meritless suits. Why can't you understand that fact?

    "The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence."

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1353146195389149184

    "Why won’t they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes?"

    Did Trump's lawyers make this charge in open court?

    "How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?"

    How has it been proven? It was ALLEGED. Where is the proof it went down exactly as how Trump's lawyers claimed?

    Now that we got that out of the way, how about answering the three questions I posed one by one?

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

  84. You have to love the current year and the strange bedfellows it’s making. Conservatives are now pro-union if it annoys Bezos and liberals are now diehard anarcho-capitalists in the wake of Trump being deplatformed. These are the interesting times we were promised.

  85. @Buzz Mohawk
    I am trying very hard to hold back... Can someone recommend a therapist so I don't shit out a whole bunch of comments?

    Mail-it-in voting elected the very Biden/HARRIS, totally-three-part Democrat, anti-White government Steve will now make fun of for the forseable future. It has provided him with an endless supply of material, which he will now mine from the New York Times, etc., for as long as he can hold on in his closet in the Valley.

    The Valley that is fast becoming anti-White, anti-Steve. How long will he remain safely there?

    Mail-it-in voting is the result of the very panic around SARS-CoV-2 that Steve still supports. He is complicit. Now does he see the irony?

    Frankly, though, voting by mail for a union issue can work. As a shareholder, I have voted for many years by mail for various boards of directors. So, I have used it from the opposite side, so-to-speak, and it really isn't much different, so I take back everything I just wrote. Voting by mail is just fine. LOL.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @David

    Frankly, though, voting by mail for a union issue can work.

    Voting by mail is fine when the person’s identity is known and verified. The other part of the Dem reforms however is to eliminate all authentication of a person’s identity. Knowing who’s voting suppresses the vote, don’t you know.

  86. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”"

    What I heard is that Trump's own AG couldn't find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial "boy who cried wolf problem". He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn't seem to bother his admirers.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    I was going to say something rude, like that you are an idiot. But then I realized it’s not your fault. You are still in a stage where you actually believe the MSM.

    What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It’s not the he “couldnt” find evidence, it’s that he never looked.

    The MSM endlessly repeated this talking point on a loop, along with the dishonest talking point that there is no fraud if court cases on procedural issues are dismissed.

    By contrast, the fact they refuse to actually inyerview or investigate poll workers who were seen cheating by eyewitness testimony is a lot more telling.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It’s not the he “couldnt” find evidence, it’s that he never looked."

    According to the AP:

    "Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”"

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn't find anything substantial. Why shouldn't I believe him?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @deep anonymous

  87. @Harry Baldwin
    @Stan Adams

    The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    "Think of the paintings! Oh, won't somebody please think of the paintings!"

    Replies: @Kylie

    “The Capitol is about as sacred as any other whorehouse.

    ‘Think of the paintings! Oh, won’t somebody please think of the paintings!’”

    I don’t recognize that quotation, Harry. Did Belle Watling say that in Gone With the Wind about her house of ill-repute during the burning of Atlanta?

  88. @mmack
    @Dumbo

    I’m hoping we get some hot Blue on Blue conflict between Oligarchs and the working man (and woman). Amazon workers should join the Teamsters. At least that group has, or at least had, the muscle to break bones and burn trucks. Image roughneck Teamsters scaring the piss out of Old Baldy organizing his workers and beating up the middle management he sends to “deal” with them. Heck, AOC might join the workers for photo ops and lend her support. After all she doesn’t like Amazon.

    (Full disclosure: I don’t know what the Teamsters Union is like today. I based my images on them from my memories of reading stories about them in the past.)

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @rexl

    I’m in a teamsters union. In the Chicago area. It’s so weak, it’s pathetic. All a company or government agency (like IDOT) has to do to neutralize what little power teamsters have is to make something “company policy”. So for example, if company policy on sexual harassment, or threats of violence, or cell phones in the truck, or whatever, is “zero tolerance,” all the company needs is an accusation and buh-bye! working class truck driver!

    If you want to join a strong union, join the ones airline pilots belong to. Their reps are pit bulls and the union has lawyers waiting to litigate anything. Not so in the teamsters.

  89. Tomorrow is Burns Night. We have no whisky in the house. Is whiskey an acceptable substitute? Might have to drive 40 miles for canned haggis.

    Are there any good trans-Celtic jokes? “Hamish, Seamus, and Huw walked into an eisteddfod…”

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've never knowingly celebrated Burns Night before. Do Americans of very remote Scottish descent need an excuse to drink whisky or whiskey? It's my night off so I'll probably knock back a couple of shots of budget-conscious bourbon then crawl off to bed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KNedjsgnwY

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  90. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @gent
    @Anon

    >extremely violent
    A single window got broken and cop sperged out and shot a woman.

    Replies: @Anon

    Guess my sarcasm didn’t get across. I meant TPTB got “lucky” the trumpists got carried away so TPTB could hype it even more in the news. What should have been discussed was whether Biden had legitimacy and political capital at the start of his term. The burden of proof should have on Biden’s side, whether he could unite the voters, instead of having Big Everything crack down on “white supremacy”.

    The shooting of the woman was brutal, tho’.

  91. 2021 will be year of interesting juxtpositions.

    National Guard to remain in Washington, DC until MARCH to provide security for impeachment trial – report

    Some 5,000 National Guard troops will reportedly remain deployed in Washington, DC throughout former President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, staying in the capital until mid-March. However, discontent is brewing in the ranks.

    Reporter critical of Antifa flees US amid threats as ‘POLITICAL REFUGEE,’ decades after his parents arrived as asylum seekers

    Journalist Andy Ngo, whose parents fled to the US from Vietnam in 1978, has become a political refugee himself, fleeing to London, saying he received death threats from Antifa over his coverage of the movement.

    For more overall Bolshevism, just add snow and a few jewish commissars.

    • LOL: BB753
  92. @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.
     
    I was going to say something rude, like that you are an idiot. But then I realized it's not your fault. You are still in a stage where you actually believe the MSM.

    What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It's not the he "couldnt" find evidence, it's that he never looked.

    The MSM endlessly repeated this talking point on a loop, along with the dishonest talking point that there is no fraud if court cases on procedural issues are dismissed.

    By contrast, the fact they refuse to actually inyerview or investigate poll workers who were seen cheating by eyewitness testimony is a lot more telling.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It’s not the he “couldnt” find evidence, it’s that he never looked.”

    According to the AP:

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?
     
    You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically. Everything is taken out of context, cherry-picked, and spun. They state right up front that they have predetermined that any allegations of fraud are necessarily "baseless claims." https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d Since they admit their bias (if you weren't aware already), you have to know that all ambiguities must be interpreted against the propagandizer.

    For example, where is the actual transcript of the interview? Why did AP only cherry pick a few words they liked from their own interview and not publish the rest. Obviously, they don't want you to see the rest. Why not?

    Second, this interview was on Dec. 1, barely three weeks after the election.

    Third, "FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received." Really? "Working to follow up." WTF does that mean? Absolutely nothing. "Working to follow up," means maybe they are thinking about whether to call back someone who complained. This is obviously NOT any actual investigation of anything.

    Fourth, the quote doesn't say the evidence is that "no fraud" happened. It says that three weeks after the election, based on a non-investigation, it isn't clear the fraud was "on a scale that could have effected a different outcome."

    And I could go on.

    Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you've been played by believing it. To read the MSM you must start with the understanding that they are trying to lie to you and work backwards to figure out how.

    Replies: @ic1000, @James B. Shearer, @lavoisier

    , @deep anonymous
    @James B. Shearer

    You also need to consider Barr's limited credibility as an agent of the Deep State. In fact, we can see clearly in hindsight that Barr slow-walked the investigation into the Russiagate hoax/bad faith investigation and achieved his purpose--snakes like Comey, Prisap, Strok, Page, McCabe, and Rosenstein will not be held accountable for sedition. (In fact, there is substantial evidence that Biden and Obama also were involved.) So I have come to regard anything Barr says with suspicion.

    But I also agree with Hypnotoad666's take. You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  93. And yet despite being a mega billionaire, Jeff Bezos is still such an off-putting weirdo that all he can bag is that expired gold digger Mexican thot with pelican lips. Retroactive karma?

  94. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus

    Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point. Courts don't have snap trials on fraud allegations. The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it's over.

    The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence. Why won't they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes? Why won't they exam those ballots to see if they are legit? Or look at the machine logs to see if these were the 30K 100% Biden vote spike that won the election for him?

    How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?

    If they want people to believe in this election they need to do more than squawk that the courts did nothing. And if they blow up the filibuster and pass a mail-in fraud mandate no election will ever be believable again. It will just be a question of who cheats best.

    Replies: @Garlic, @Corvinus

    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?

    The accepted opinion is that vote fraud if it existed, of course would be serious, but it’s been debunked (never mind how, it’s just been debunked).

    It would therefore follow logically that the sworn affidavits alleging vote fraud constitute perjury.

    Therefore again, all the voices who are loudest that there was no vote fraud should also be calling for full investigations into the sworn allegations so that the false swearers may be prosecuted for perjury.

    For odd, inexplicable reasons, this is not happening.

    Why not?, we might wonder.

    It certainly couldn’t be because any of the allegations could be confirmed: there’s no danger of that whatsoever, not when we’ve been assured they’ve been “debunked”!

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Garlic


    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?
     
    In this case, of course, it's because the prosecution would have to show the witnesses weren't telling the truth. And figuring out the truth is the opposite of what they want. They just want to chant "debunked" and memory-hole the allegations.
    , @Anonymous
    @Garlic

    The lying eyewitnesses who ginned up the 'hands up don't shoot' controversy in Ferguson were never prosecuted. The police decided to let it pass in order not to further inflame tension. Basically, it's OK to lie to the police if you have the right skin color and/or belong to the right party. (Hillary is another example).

  95. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus

    Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point. Courts don't have snap trials on fraud allegations. The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it's over.

    The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence. Why won't they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes? Why won't they exam those ballots to see if they are legit? Or look at the machine logs to see if these were the 30K 100% Biden vote spike that won the election for him?

    How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?

    If they want people to believe in this election they need to do more than squawk that the courts did nothing. And if they blow up the filibuster and pass a mail-in fraud mandate no election will ever be believable again. It will just be a question of who cheats best.

    Replies: @Garlic, @Corvinus

    “Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point.”

    Not in the least. The courts asked for evidence. Trump’s lawyers didn’t provide it.

    “The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it’s over.”

    And Trump’s lawyers went to court with meritless suits. Why can’t you understand that fact?

    “The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence.”

    “Why won’t they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes?”

    Did Trump’s lawyers make this charge in open court?

    “How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?”

    How has it been proven? It was ALLEGED. Where is the proof it went down exactly as how Trump’s lawyers claimed?

    Now that we got that out of the way, how about answering the three questions I posed one by one?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Corvinus

    The courts didn’t ask for evidence. The hearings weren’t evidentiary hearings. Just preliminary motions hearings to decide if the cases could continue. The judges ruled to not continue the cases.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    There was plenty of evidence of election fraud, or actions deliberately taken to enable election fraud.

    Nobody cares what you think, you contemptible a**-clown. You are a piece of human garbage.

  96. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

    O/T…

    In all of the fretting about COVID, it blows my mind there was not a wider discussion about air filtration. Surprised Steve did not mention it either.

    Readily available HEPA H13 air filters remove anything larger than 10nm. For perspective, the size of aerosol COVID is 100nm+.

    HVAC MERV 13 filters are able to capture larger viruses, and may help some with COVID. Granted, they put more stress on a HVAC system.

    It’s pretty inexcusable there wasn’t a program put in place to subsidize Hepa 13 / HVAC upgrades for restaurants and retail. Seems much more feasible than having the entire planet wear masks.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anon

    You don't even need HVAC upgrades. That's overkill. In my workspace, we run merv16 filters duct-taped to box fans. It costs $30 per filter/month. It's comparable to everyone wearing a new N95 mask.

    If clowns like Fauci/CDC took covid seriously, these could be mass produced and be given out to every construction site in less than a week. Same for restaurants, bars, trains, theaters, apartment buildings, etc.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  97. @TruthRevolution.net
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right. Why does Amazon care about mail in votes vs. in person voting? Fears of voting fraud? All debunked! Potential voting fraud. Not a problem!

    Once you are dishonest, you get into logical contradiction. How fine that white male logic does not count. Feelings of wise Latina women and other spiritual minorities can explain you why Amazon voting is different from defeating Trump. Right wing males cannot understand that /end sarcasm

    https://sincerity.net/fail-safe/


    An election is NOT innocent-until-proven-guilty. An election is corrupted and invalid until proven safe. An election must not even be potentially fraudulent. The burden of proof must be inverted.

    If party observers are absent, counting must stop (fail safety)
    If observers cannot clearly see signature verification, counting must stop
    A nuclear power plant, it gets shut down if anything suspicious is happening.
    Like a nuclear power plant, or an airplane, vote counts must be proven safe, and fail safe with multiple concurrent safety measures.
    An election must be PROVEN to be inviolate, safe against any fraud. It should not required to prove actual voter fraud. Any potential loop hole invalidates the the election.

    We must not have an election, where cheating is possible and unverifiable.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @Alden

    Jeff Bezos is a White man, not a fat wise Latina. And both are anti White liberals.

    There are as many White man anti White liberals as there are anti White women of color anti White liberals.

    White men still rule America. Problem is, the White men who rule America are anti White liberals.

    Including Trump who proudly proclaimed ,
    “ I love affirmative action “ years ago.

    Forget about the rhetoric. The major weapon against White men is affirmative action imposed on this country by White men Supreme Court judges and White men presidents Johnson and Nixon vp Hubert Humphrey plus 100 percent White men senators and a 90 percent White man congress.

    White men, not their feminazi and women of color puppets did all the damage to other White men.

    And White men own all the anti White men media

    Go after your own race sex traitors, not their puppets.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
    @Alden


    And White men own all the anti White men media
     
    uh, white men?

    how do these white men self identify?

    asking for a friend
  98. Andy Ngo flees USA to save his skin. Leave it to RT to come up with the best headline:

    Reporter critical of Antifa flees US amid threats as ‘POLITICAL REFUGEE,’ decades after his parents arrived as asylum seekers

    https://www.rt.com/usa/513500-antifa-journo-flees-us/

  99. @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point."

    Not in the least. The courts asked for evidence. Trump's lawyers didn't provide it.

    "The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it’s over."

    And Trump's lawyers went to court with meritless suits. Why can't you understand that fact?

    "The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence."

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1353146195389149184

    "Why won’t they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes?"

    Did Trump's lawyers make this charge in open court?

    "How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?"

    How has it been proven? It was ALLEGED. Where is the proof it went down exactly as how Trump's lawyers claimed?

    Now that we got that out of the way, how about answering the three questions I posed one by one?

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

    The courts didn’t ask for evidence. The hearings weren’t evidentiary hearings. Just preliminary motions hearings to decide if the cases could continue. The judges ruled to not continue the cases.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alden

    "The courts didn’t ask for evidence."

    To the contrary...

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/11/23/21594110/rudy-giuilani-trump-election-challenge-courts


    Both Trump in his Twitter feed and White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany in her press conferences have made allegations of broad-based election fraud. But under questioning from judges in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump’s lawyers have backed away from actually asserting fraud. Despite Trump’s allegations to the contrary, his lawyers have acknowledged that they are not claiming that dead people voted or that occasional computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

    “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots.”

    In Trump’s case, this means his attorneys can only say the election was stolen if they know of actual, credible reports of systematic fraud.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  100. @Thoughts
    Well well well...

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    And CNN now says not to worry if old farts die after the vaccine because they were going to die anyway.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-people-die-afterscamdemic-vax/

  101. @Anon
    @Anon

    Give it up, there was no decisive fraud. Trump simply was a very bad candidate and low-competence president.

    Replies: @V. Hickel, @alt right moderate

    always with the weaselly qualifiers. no decisive fraud; no widespread fraud.

  102. OT: Speaking of things that are no longer needed, I’ve been hearing that some extreme left groups or individuals are having their accounts suspended by twitter and/or facebook for no obvious reason. Anyone else hearing about this?

  103. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?"

    Subtle sarcasm is the best sarcasm but is sometimes difficult to detect. It's important to remember there are nine Steves: I believe Unz Steve duties are divided between Steve numbers 2 and 7. Steve number one, the original Steve, spends most of his time ensconced in Howard Hughes's old top floor pad at the Desert Inn watching Ice Station Zebra. In fact, it was the Hughes Corporation where the Steves began their lives: Sometime in the late 1950s CIA science wizard Sidney Gottlieb took a break from torturing children and used a secret lab built beneath the Hughes Aircraft complex in Burbank to create golems using an ancient formula the Templars discovered in Solomon's Temple. Dr. Gottlieb named his golems Steve. My point is this: If you have a problem with subtle Steve direct your complaints to Steves 2 and 7 not Desert Inn Steve.

    Replies: @Dmon, @duncsbaby

    That’s the most baseless conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard. Hughes Aircraft was in Culver City, not Burbank. And besides, Hughes Aircraft was legendary in the industry for being high-tech and expensive. The original R&D work may have leveraged golems for the demos, but by the time they built prototype units for performance verification and environmental test they had switched over to androids, which cost more but have a far more robust control and telemetry interface.

  104. @BenKenobi
    @Hypnotoad666

    Mail-in voting is okay for penny-ante stuff like the US presidential election. But this is an Amazon warehouse attempting to unionize, people! I sure hope they have to show ID to cast a ballot.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Bill Jones

    Picture ID’s were necessary at the Democratic Party Primaries.
    https://news.0censor.com/surprise-democrats-in-wisconsin-praise-voter-ids/

  105. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”"

    What I heard is that Trump's own AG couldn't find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial "boy who cried wolf problem". He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn't seem to bother his admirers.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Thanks for the laugh,
    My theme for 2021 is “Satire is dead” but yours was a good shot.

  106. @Anon
    @Polistra

    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?

    "The average tuition & fees of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) is $7,183 for state residents and $14,973 for out-of-state students.

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/compare/historically-black-colleges-and-universities/#:~:text=The%20average%20tuition%20%26%20fees%20of,average%20acceptance%20rate%20is%2064.72%25.

    7K a year for college is cheap. 14K a year for out-of-state students is cheap. Just for perspective, the tuition at the University of Arkansas, a state-supported school, is this: in-state tuition 9,384 USD, Out-of-state tuition 25,872 USD.

    As for non-historic black colleges, they offer scholarships for black students who have lousy test scores by white standards. Blacks get offered a free ride that your average white doesn't get.

    If black women are carrying more student debt than any other group, it's because they're refusing to pay it off.

    Blacks in general are irresponsible when it comes to paying off debts. We all know that. What Ayanna Pressley wants is free college for blacks, period. She wants to give blacks the ability to be even more irresponsible than they are by refusing to hold them to account for their decisions.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anon

    There you go with your raycist facts again.
    This is why The Pretender has pledged to abolish reality.

  107. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists.
    2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence.
    3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case.

    The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-porter-wright/law-firm-porter-wright-withdraws-from-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania-idUSKBN27T23U

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2HX04C

    Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning? Please.

    The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Guest29048

    “1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists.”

    Why would there be fear for the American Thinker telling the truth? They LIED about Dominion Voting. Why can’t you admit that fact?

    “2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence.”

    I thought Trump hires the best people. Now you are admitting his team significantly lacked jurisprudence? I thought their evidence to prove massive fraud was a sure slam dunk.

    Now, is it true what happened in Germany? How do you know for certain?

    “3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case.”

    Basically, you have marbles in your mouth. Again, how do you specifically address the fact they said they did not allege fraud?

    “The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms”

    So, as you stated, incompetence, which is other than worthy of a second term perhaps.

    “Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning?”

    You’re not being accurate here.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-no-vote-counting-democrat-led-states-hasnt-stopped/6163978002/

    “The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions.”

    You are peddling Fake News.

  108. Not that I care about private sector unions, but regarding mail-in (convenience) voting, the general principle still holds: It’s a fraud in plain sight.

    [MORE]

    Affirmative actions, like voting, are not supposed to be painless. Or maybe all those notorious, hazing incidents we’ve heard about were just fake news.

    Private sector workers, who wish to unionize, should have to pay a price. Male circumcision sounds reasonable.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  109. @Anon
    Anything to bust unions. I'm with Bezos on this. When you hear the concrete complaints that the "workers" have (the complainers don't seem to represent real workers), they are always ridiculous. You can't take hour-long bathroom breaks? Lordy! Amazon hasn't air conditioned their seven trillion cubic meter warehouses? Who'd a' thunk it! A worker was injured? Outrageous! Injury-free blue collar jobs for all!

    Amazon hires non-illegals of all ages and races and square-footage of tattoos, at halfway decent wages.

    At this point it's a race between the unions organizers and Amazon getting to automated robot warehouses with ten employees, each with a Ph.D.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Fuck you, asshole. You are stupid and a liar. Both. Incredible.

  110. @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Saying the lawsuits were dismissed or dropped is a giant red herring talking point."

    Not in the least. The courts asked for evidence. Trump's lawyers didn't provide it.

    "The system leaves it all up to county and state politician/bureaucrats to certify results within a couple weeks. And then it’s over."

    And Trump's lawyers went to court with meritless suits. Why can't you understand that fact?

    "The better question is why is everyone refusing to investigate to restore confidence."

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1353146195389149184

    "Why won’t they put Ruby Freeman and her crew under oath and ask what they were really doing on video that looked exactly like stuffing the ballot box with fake votes?"

    Did Trump's lawyers make this charge in open court?

    "How has this incident (one of many) been debunked?"

    How has it been proven? It was ALLEGED. Where is the proof it went down exactly as how Trump's lawyers claimed?

    Now that we got that out of the way, how about answering the three questions I posed one by one?

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

    There was plenty of evidence of election fraud, or actions deliberately taken to enable election fraud.

    Nobody cares what you think, you contemptible a**-clown. You are a piece of human garbage.

  111. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”"

    What I heard is that Trump's own AG couldn't find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial "boy who cried wolf problem". He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn't seem to bother his admirers.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    Much like Trump’s own National Security Advisor, John Bolton, couldn’t find any convincing reason to not bomb Iran, therefore there can’t be any such reason, eh?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mr. Anon

    All these people have already forgotten that when they pushed tranny bathrooms their damage control strategy was literally to flat-out deny to the faces of parents that there would be perverts exploiting it, or for that matter that their strategy for damage control regarding "refugee" rape was to flat out deny to the faces of the victims that anything had happened. Furthermore it is obvious that a real investigation would uncover more evidence because it would have more time, resources, and authority, so the "yes there's evidence but not enough to have changed anything (like is seen in the instantaneous crossover graph)" line is lazy.

  112. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    1) Answer: Fear. Persecution of trumpists.
    2) Answer: Legal incompetence, either due to time constraint or lack of resources or sheer incompetence.
    3) Answer: Reductionist framing of legal case to increase chances of winning said case.

    The deficiencies of Trump’s legal team is a reflection of his political shortsightedness, his inability to build political networks AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-porter-wright/law-firm-porter-wright-withdraws-from-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania-idUSKBN27T23U

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2HX04C

    Mail-in votes? A vote count suspended in the middle of the night and when the lights go on again a different horse is winning? Please.

    The Great American Reset was a superb team effort after 20 years of training in colour revolutions.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Guest29048

    “AND the pressure brought to bear on law firms”

    Yup. I wish everyone would watch a couple minutes of ret. Judge James Troupis’s testimony at a hearing before the Wisconsin legislature.

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/fired-election-official-chris-krebs-senate-testimony-on-2020-election-security-transcript
    Senator, thank you very much. I want to say that right off the bat, that I’m honored to represent the president. I was honored to get the call, but I’m not naive. One of the reasons I was called is because virtually every major law firm in this country and in this city refused to represent the president, not because of the lack of merit of his claims, we’ve certainly demonstrated there’s merit, but because of the cancel culture, because of the environment that has been created by the left that has intimidated lawyers so they can’t be here. They’re not here from the giant law firms, precisely because they were ordered by their management committees and others, that you cannot take those cases. And the reason you cannot take those cases is because our clients or the Democratic Party or the incoming administration will remember that and they will hold it against you.
    That’s a sad state of affairs. As a former judge, I was so incensed by that that I took the representation. That was the ultimate reason I took that representation. And I’ve heard a lot today about what went on afterwards as if these latest threats are coming from the right. Remember why and how this started after the election. We need to have faith in our court system. We have to acknowledge that the court system has been deeply intimidated by the left, just as the lawyers have been intimidated. And that is a sad, sad state of affairs. …

  113. Jeff Bezos had better get some new PR people. He is rapidly becoming the new John D. Rockefeller and not the brilliant tycoon of Ron Chernow’s The Titan but instead the wizened and hated oligarch of a hundred years ago. The shaved head doesn’t help.

  114. @Alden
    @Corvinus

    The courts didn’t ask for evidence. The hearings weren’t evidentiary hearings. Just preliminary motions hearings to decide if the cases could continue. The judges ruled to not continue the cases.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The courts didn’t ask for evidence.”

    To the contrary…

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/11/23/21594110/rudy-giuilani-trump-election-challenge-courts

    Both Trump in his Twitter feed and White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany in her press conferences have made allegations of broad-based election fraud. But under questioning from judges in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump’s lawyers have backed away from actually asserting fraud. Despite Trump’s allegations to the contrary, his lawyers have acknowledged that they are not claiming that dead people voted or that occasional computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

    “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots.”

    In Trump’s case, this means his attorneys can only say the election was stolen if they know of actual, credible reports of systematic fraud.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus


    Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots
     
    Your quotation is meaningless because you don't know what are the specific "challenged ballots," and the legal grounds they were being challenged. For example, they may have been challenging a particular batch of ballots that were received late or didn't have proper signatures. In that case, the ballots could have been illegally counted even if they were not fraudulently cast.

    Unless you are willing to read and understand the actual court documents, you are just talking out your ass about the lawsuits. It's a talking point for people who don't know what they are talking about.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  115. @mmack
    @Dumbo

    I’m hoping we get some hot Blue on Blue conflict between Oligarchs and the working man (and woman). Amazon workers should join the Teamsters. At least that group has, or at least had, the muscle to break bones and burn trucks. Image roughneck Teamsters scaring the piss out of Old Baldy organizing his workers and beating up the middle management he sends to “deal” with them. Heck, AOC might join the workers for photo ops and lend her support. After all she doesn’t like Amazon.

    (Full disclosure: I don’t know what the Teamsters Union is like today. I based my images on them from my memories of reading stories about them in the past.)

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @rexl

    I lost all faith in the Teamsters when they were told their pensions would be reduced because the moneychangers had lost eleven billion. Instead of them closing the door, and saying to the offenders “you may have lost someone’s money, but not ours.” When they did not say that, I lost all respect for the Teamsters, and in fact, I lost all respect for might making right.

  116. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It’s not the he “couldnt” find evidence, it’s that he never looked."

    According to the AP:

    "Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”"

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn't find anything substantial. Why shouldn't I believe him?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @deep anonymous

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?

    You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically. Everything is taken out of context, cherry-picked, and spun. They state right up front that they have predetermined that any allegations of fraud are necessarily “baseless claims.” https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d Since they admit their bias (if you weren’t aware already), you have to know that all ambiguities must be interpreted against the propagandizer.

    For example, where is the actual transcript of the interview? Why did AP only cherry pick a few words they liked from their own interview and not publish the rest. Obviously, they don’t want you to see the rest. Why not?

    Second, this interview was on Dec. 1, barely three weeks after the election.

    Third, “FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received.” Really? “Working to follow up.” WTF does that mean? Absolutely nothing. “Working to follow up,” means maybe they are thinking about whether to call back someone who complained. This is obviously NOT any actual investigation of anything.

    Fourth, the quote doesn’t say the evidence is that “no fraud” happened. It says that three weeks after the election, based on a non-investigation, it isn’t clear the fraud was “on a scale that could have effected a different outcome.”

    And I could go on.

    Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you’ve been played by believing it. To read the MSM you must start with the understanding that they are trying to lie to you and work backwards to figure out how.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    > You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically.

    The first time I heard a journalist state "There is no evidence of any fraud" (relating to the Biden/Trump election) was during NBC's election-night coverage. Anchor Lester Holt (IIRC) had mentioned some Republican in a swing state making a charge on Twitter, and turned to the on-the-scene reporter for local color. I was surprised at her definitive tone as well as the at assertion of fact: how could she be so certain?

    From Nov. 3rd to today, mainstream media organs have been admirably consistent on this point.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you’ve been played by believing it. .."

    The actual talking point is that Barr stated that he had not seen any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Is that false?

    Barr chose to give that interview at that time to that particular reporter. I expect Barr had a pretty good idea of how the story would come out. If Barr was displeased with the story he could have disputed it.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @lavoisier
    @Hypnotoad666

    Agree completely.

    Even when these people are lying,which they do on any subject that challenges the orthodoxy, you can tell by the language that they are using that they know that they are lying.

    That the courts refused to consider evidence for voter fraud is not evidence that there was no voter fraud.

    Unfortunately, such a distinction is missed by a lot of people.

  117. @Mr. Anon
    @James B. Shearer


    What I heard is that Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.
     
    Much like Trump's own National Security Advisor, John Bolton, couldn't find any convincing reason to not bomb Iran, therefore there can't be any such reason, eh?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    All these people have already forgotten that when they pushed tranny bathrooms their damage control strategy was literally to flat-out deny to the faces of parents that there would be perverts exploiting it, or for that matter that their strategy for damage control regarding “refugee” rape was to flat out deny to the faces of the victims that anything had happened. Furthermore it is obvious that a real investigation would uncover more evidence because it would have more time, resources, and authority, so the “yes there’s evidence but not enough to have changed anything (like is seen in the instantaneous crossover graph)” line is lazy.

  118. @Corvinus
    @Alden

    "The courts didn’t ask for evidence."

    To the contrary...

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/11/23/21594110/rudy-giuilani-trump-election-challenge-courts


    Both Trump in his Twitter feed and White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany in her press conferences have made allegations of broad-based election fraud. But under questioning from judges in Arizona and Pennsylvania, Trump’s lawyers have backed away from actually asserting fraud. Despite Trump’s allegations to the contrary, his lawyers have acknowledged that they are not claiming that dead people voted or that occasional computer glitches were part of a deliberate conspiracy.

    “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots.”

    In Trump’s case, this means his attorneys can only say the election was stolen if they know of actual, credible reports of systematic fraud.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots

    Your quotation is meaningless because you don’t know what are the specific “challenged ballots,” and the legal grounds they were being challenged. For example, they may have been challenging a particular batch of ballots that were received late or didn’t have proper signatures. In that case, the ballots could have been illegally counted even if they were not fraudulently cast.

    Unless you are willing to read and understand the actual court documents, you are just talking out your ass about the lawsuits. It’s a talking point for people who don’t know what they are talking about.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Your quotation is meaningless because you don’t know what are the specific “challenged ballots"

    But we do know, as those challenged ballots were specified in the court briefings by Trump's lawyers, ranging from mail-in ballots to recount requests and ballots not counted initially but found in the official canvass. In those particular cases, when pressed by courts to disclose proof, Trump's lawyers declined. Remember, the lawsuits generally targeted voter behavior that local officials verified, so that is why judges requested exact information rather than generalities.

    "For example, they may have been challenging a particular batch of ballots that were received late or didn’t have proper signatures. In that case, the ballots could have been illegally counted even if they were not fraudulently cast."

    Except those allegations were addressed by local officials, so courts asking for specific instances by Trump's attorneys showing exactly how and why those ballots were illegally counted. His lawyers punted.

    "Unless you are willing to read and understand the actual court documents, you are just talking out your ass about the lawsuits."

    Not in the slightest. Here is a summary of those lawsuits, as well as the rulings.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-legal-challenges/2020/11/14/904fbd04-25e2-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html

  119. @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?
     
    You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically. Everything is taken out of context, cherry-picked, and spun. They state right up front that they have predetermined that any allegations of fraud are necessarily "baseless claims." https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d Since they admit their bias (if you weren't aware already), you have to know that all ambiguities must be interpreted against the propagandizer.

    For example, where is the actual transcript of the interview? Why did AP only cherry pick a few words they liked from their own interview and not publish the rest. Obviously, they don't want you to see the rest. Why not?

    Second, this interview was on Dec. 1, barely three weeks after the election.

    Third, "FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received." Really? "Working to follow up." WTF does that mean? Absolutely nothing. "Working to follow up," means maybe they are thinking about whether to call back someone who complained. This is obviously NOT any actual investigation of anything.

    Fourth, the quote doesn't say the evidence is that "no fraud" happened. It says that three weeks after the election, based on a non-investigation, it isn't clear the fraud was "on a scale that could have effected a different outcome."

    And I could go on.

    Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you've been played by believing it. To read the MSM you must start with the understanding that they are trying to lie to you and work backwards to figure out how.

    Replies: @ic1000, @James B. Shearer, @lavoisier

    > You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically.

    The first time I heard a journalist state “There is no evidence of any fraud” (relating to the Biden/Trump election) was during NBC’s election-night coverage. Anchor Lester Holt (IIRC) had mentioned some Republican in a swing state making a charge on Twitter, and turned to the on-the-scene reporter for local color. I was surprised at her definitive tone as well as the at assertion of fact: how could she be so certain?

    From Nov. 3rd to today, mainstream media organs have been admirably consistent on this point.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @ic1000


    From Nov. 3rd to today, mainstream media organs have been admirably consistent on this point.
     
    The script was written ahead of time. Claims of fraud were pre-bunked.
  120. @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Is this Mr Sailer’s way of saying there are many many indications of systemic voter fraud against Trump?"

    No. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn't Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    Replies: @Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Hypnotoad666

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn’t want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website.

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    According to the article you link to it’s because: “an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case.” Since you obviously don’t know what legal “standing” means, it’s a technicality that says she isn’t in the category of people that are allowed to challenge the vote certification. It has nothing to do with insufficient evidence of fraud.

    Also, since Biden has already been inaugurated, the lawsuit is obviously moot.

    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever.

    The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people’s propaganda that you don’t even understand.

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    > The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits.

    The MSM reporters are not idiots, and their understanding of the legal issues in the fraud lawsuits is, from their perspective, of little import.

    Their key insight is that the internet age has created a deluge of information. People (e.g. most Americans) look for trustworthy interpreters. This continuing trust in the MSM allows its actors a great deal of leeway.

    The half of the electorate who favored Biden didn't, and don't, want to be faced with stories that call the clarity and moral purity of their preferred outcome into question. Journalists are selling what their customers want to buy.

    I am aware that just about everybody posting here knows all this, likely including the commenter you're exchanging views with.

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn’t want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website."

    If American Thinker has the goods on Dominion, would not the Lin Woods and company the take the case pro bono? And, IF American Thinker capitulated having the facts on their side, then did they not cuck?

    Suffice to say, American Thinker did the right thing admitting they lied.

    According to the article you link to it’s because: “an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case.”

    "Since you obviously don’t know what legal “standing” means..."

    Of course I know what that term means. The fact of the matter is where is her smoking gun evidence she promised?

    "Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever."

    Thanks for the strawman.

    "The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people’s propaganda that you don’t even understand."

    It has been demonstrated thoroughly that Trump's lawsuits were void of facts. I can't help that you feel duped that matters did not turn out the way they were promised by Trump and his lawyers, considering time after time "Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots" regardless of jurisdiction.

  121. @captflee
    @Stan Adams

    Now, it's been a while since this old sailor visited a Latin American whorehouse, but I do recall that an abundance of religiously themed art on their walls was a common theme, surely to a vastly greater extent than in the Capitol of this officially godless empire. And, as I was more than once informed by locals, the girls were always front and center at Mass Sunday morning, the most faithful of celebrants.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    I’d take any of these “girls” any days over duplicitous pope francis with his back door support of abortion and paganism!

  122. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus


    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?
     
    Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn't want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website.

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?
     
    According to the article you link to it's because: "an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case." Since you obviously don't know what legal "standing" means, it's a technicality that says she isn't in the category of people that are allowed to challenge the vote certification. It has nothing to do with insufficient evidence of fraud.

    Also, since Biden has already been inaugurated, the lawsuit is obviously moot.


    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?
     
    Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever.

    The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people's propaganda that you don't even understand.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Corvinus

    > The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits.

    The MSM reporters are not idiots, and their understanding of the legal issues in the fraud lawsuits is, from their perspective, of little import.

    Their key insight is that the internet age has created a deluge of information. People (e.g. most Americans) look for trustworthy interpreters. This continuing trust in the MSM allows its actors a great deal of leeway.

    The half of the electorate who favored Biden didn’t, and don’t, want to be faced with stories that call the clarity and moral purity of their preferred outcome into question. Journalists are selling what their customers want to buy.

    I am aware that just about everybody posting here knows all this, likely including the commenter you’re exchanging views with.

  123. @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    > You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically.

    The first time I heard a journalist state "There is no evidence of any fraud" (relating to the Biden/Trump election) was during NBC's election-night coverage. Anchor Lester Holt (IIRC) had mentioned some Republican in a swing state making a charge on Twitter, and turned to the on-the-scene reporter for local color. I was surprised at her definitive tone as well as the at assertion of fact: how could she be so certain?

    From Nov. 3rd to today, mainstream media organs have been admirably consistent on this point.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    From Nov. 3rd to today, mainstream media organs have been admirably consistent on this point.

    The script was written ahead of time. Claims of fraud were pre-bunked.

  124. Allowing mail-in ballots will enable the Russians to take over Amazon through the unions.
    Wait…

  125. @Garlic
    @Hypnotoad666

    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?

    The accepted opinion is that vote fraud if it existed, of course would be serious, but it’s been debunked (never mind how, it’s just been debunked).

    It would therefore follow logically that the sworn affidavits alleging vote fraud constitute perjury.

    Therefore again, all the voices who are loudest that there was no vote fraud should also be calling for full investigations into the sworn allegations so that the false swearers may be prosecuted for perjury.

    For odd, inexplicable reasons, this is not happening.

    Why not?, we might wonder.

    It certainly couldn’t be because any of the allegations could be confirmed: there’s no danger of that whatsoever, not when we’ve been assured they’ve been “debunked”!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?

    In this case, of course, it’s because the prosecution would have to show the witnesses weren’t telling the truth. And figuring out the truth is the opposite of what they want. They just want to chant “debunked” and memory-hole the allegations.

  126. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "What you heard was a manipulated quote from an interview, taken out of context, by a guy who had done zero investigation. It’s not the he “couldnt” find evidence, it’s that he never looked."

    According to the AP:

    "Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”"

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn't find anything substantial. Why shouldn't I believe him?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @deep anonymous

    You also need to consider Barr’s limited credibility as an agent of the Deep State. In fact, we can see clearly in hindsight that Barr slow-walked the investigation into the Russiagate hoax/bad faith investigation and achieved his purpose–snakes like Comey, Prisap, Strok, Page, McCabe, and Rosenstein will not be held accountable for sedition. (In fact, there is substantial evidence that Biden and Obama also were involved.) So I have come to regard anything Barr says with suspicion.

    But I also agree with Hypnotoad666’s take. You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC."

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…


    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980's. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”
     

    Replies: @deep anonymous

  127. anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    O/T...

    In all of the fretting about COVID, it blows my mind there was not a wider discussion about air filtration. Surprised Steve did not mention it either.

    Readily available HEPA H13 air filters remove anything larger than 10nm. For perspective, the size of aerosol COVID is 100nm+.

    HVAC MERV 13 filters are able to capture larger viruses, and may help some with COVID. Granted, they put more stress on a HVAC system.

    It's pretty inexcusable there wasn't a program put in place to subsidize Hepa 13 / HVAC upgrades for restaurants and retail. Seems much more feasible than having the entire planet wear masks.

    Replies: @anonymous

    You don’t even need HVAC upgrades. That’s overkill. In my workspace, we run merv16 filters duct-taped to box fans. It costs $30 per filter/month. It’s comparable to everyone wearing a new N95 mask.

    If clowns like Fauci/CDC took covid seriously, these could be mass produced and be given out to every construction site in less than a week. Same for restaurants, bars, trains, theaters, apartment buildings, etc.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anonymous

    I saw this on the TV over the weekend.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw7fUMhNov8

  128. @Anon
    @Anon

    Give it up, there was no decisive fraud. Trump simply was a very bad candidate and low-competence president.

    Replies: @V. Hickel, @alt right moderate

    The problem is coming up with credible proof in a reasonable time frame. If you can’t do that, then middle-of -the-road voters will believe you are no better than some far leftist who argues that racism is everywhere and the police should be defunded.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @alt right moderate

    "The problem is coming up with credible proof in a reasonable time frame. .."

    This is a bigger problem if you don't start until the day after the election. If Trump had been really worried about fraud he had four years to implement measures to make it harder and more obvious. And of course four years to prove any fraud in the 2016 election. Or two years to prove any fraud in the 2018 election.

  129. @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?
     
    You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically. Everything is taken out of context, cherry-picked, and spun. They state right up front that they have predetermined that any allegations of fraud are necessarily "baseless claims." https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d Since they admit their bias (if you weren't aware already), you have to know that all ambiguities must be interpreted against the propagandizer.

    For example, where is the actual transcript of the interview? Why did AP only cherry pick a few words they liked from their own interview and not publish the rest. Obviously, they don't want you to see the rest. Why not?

    Second, this interview was on Dec. 1, barely three weeks after the election.

    Third, "FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received." Really? "Working to follow up." WTF does that mean? Absolutely nothing. "Working to follow up," means maybe they are thinking about whether to call back someone who complained. This is obviously NOT any actual investigation of anything.

    Fourth, the quote doesn't say the evidence is that "no fraud" happened. It says that three weeks after the election, based on a non-investigation, it isn't clear the fraud was "on a scale that could have effected a different outcome."

    And I could go on.

    Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you've been played by believing it. To read the MSM you must start with the understanding that they are trying to lie to you and work backwards to figure out how.

    Replies: @ic1000, @James B. Shearer, @lavoisier

    “Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you’ve been played by believing it. ..”

    The actual talking point is that Barr stated that he had not seen any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Is that false?

    Barr chose to give that interview at that time to that particular reporter. I expect Barr had a pretty good idea of how the story would come out. If Barr was displeased with the story he could have disputed it.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    The actual talking point is that Barr stated that he had not seen any convincing evidence of substantial fraud.
     
    Now you are just being intellectually dishonest and changing your story. You know it's cited as alleged proof that no fraud occurred. You yourself said it was proof that "Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence."

    Is that false?
     
    Yes, your statement is false. What Barr said was: "“to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.” His statement is totally consistent with a belief that three weeks after the election there was massive evidence of substantial fraud but that it wasn't quite enough to change the outcome.

    More to the point, the quotes proves nothing anyway. I have never seen a giant squid, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. (And like Barr, I've never made any effort to find one).

    You insist on using words different from those he actually said because you have already decided what you want to believe and are looking for support. If you want to delude yourself in that way, that's your choice.

    If Barr was displeased with the story he could have disputed it.
     
    He did dispute it. But the MSM naturally didn't report Barr's objection to being misquoted. It's scrubbed from search results but if you look long enough you'll find it.
  130. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you’ve been played by believing it. .."

    The actual talking point is that Barr stated that he had not seen any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Is that false?

    Barr chose to give that interview at that time to that particular reporter. I expect Barr had a pretty good idea of how the story would come out. If Barr was displeased with the story he could have disputed it.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The actual talking point is that Barr stated that he had not seen any convincing evidence of substantial fraud.

    Now you are just being intellectually dishonest and changing your story. You know it’s cited as alleged proof that no fraud occurred. You yourself said it was proof that “Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence.”

    Is that false?

    Yes, your statement is false. What Barr said was: ““to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.” His statement is totally consistent with a belief that three weeks after the election there was massive evidence of substantial fraud but that it wasn’t quite enough to change the outcome.

    More to the point, the quotes proves nothing anyway. I have never seen a giant squid, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. (And like Barr, I’ve never made any effort to find one).

    You insist on using words different from those he actually said because you have already decided what you want to believe and are looking for support. If you want to delude yourself in that way, that’s your choice.

    If Barr was displeased with the story he could have disputed it.

    He did dispute it. But the MSM naturally didn’t report Barr’s objection to being misquoted. It’s scrubbed from search results but if you look long enough you’ll find it.

  131. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Aren't you glad you did that, Steve?"

    Subtle sarcasm is the best sarcasm but is sometimes difficult to detect. It's important to remember there are nine Steves: I believe Unz Steve duties are divided between Steve numbers 2 and 7. Steve number one, the original Steve, spends most of his time ensconced in Howard Hughes's old top floor pad at the Desert Inn watching Ice Station Zebra. In fact, it was the Hughes Corporation where the Steves began their lives: Sometime in the late 1950s CIA science wizard Sidney Gottlieb took a break from torturing children and used a secret lab built beneath the Hughes Aircraft complex in Burbank to create golems using an ancient formula the Templars discovered in Solomon's Temple. Dr. Gottlieb named his golems Steve. My point is this: If you have a problem with subtle Steve direct your complaints to Steves 2 and 7 not Desert Inn Steve.

    Replies: @Dmon, @duncsbaby

    You say there are only 7 Steves in total, but I believe that it’s an infinite number of Steves all the way down.

  132. @Alden
    @TruthRevolution.net

    Jeff Bezos is a White man, not a fat wise Latina. And both are anti White liberals.

    There are as many White man anti White liberals as there are anti White women of color anti White liberals.

    White men still rule America. Problem is, the White men who rule America are anti White liberals.

    Including Trump who proudly proclaimed ,
    “ I love affirmative action “ years ago.

    Forget about the rhetoric. The major weapon against White men is affirmative action imposed on this country by White men Supreme Court judges and White men presidents Johnson and Nixon vp Hubert Humphrey plus 100 percent White men senators and a 90 percent White man congress.

    White men, not their feminazi and women of color puppets did all the damage to other White men.

    And White men own all the anti White men media

    Go after your own race sex traitors, not their puppets.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

    And White men own all the anti White men media

    uh, white men?

    how do these white men self identify?

    asking for a friend

  133. @Reg Cæsar
    Tomorrow is Burns Night. We have no whisky in the house. Is whiskey an acceptable substitute? Might have to drive 40 miles for canned haggis.

    Are there any good trans-Celtic jokes? "Hamish, Seamus, and Huw walked into an eisteddfod..."

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    I’ve never knowingly celebrated Burns Night before. Do Americans of very remote Scottish descent need an excuse to drink whisky or whiskey? It’s my night off so I’ll probably knock back a couple of shots of budget-conscious bourbon then crawl off to bed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @duncsbaby

    Good news. We found a bottle of this, and can save the Teeling's for St Paddy's. Pecan adds a North American touch, too.


    https://shop.iowaabd.com/images/product-shots/14505-1.jpg

  134. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Polistra

    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?

    "The average tuition & fees of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) is $7,183 for state residents and $14,973 for out-of-state students.

    https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/compare/historically-black-colleges-and-universities/#:~:text=The%20average%20tuition%20%26%20fees%20of,average%20acceptance%20rate%20is%2064.72%25.

    7K a year for college is cheap. 14K a year for out-of-state students is cheap. Just for perspective, the tuition at the University of Arkansas, a state-supported school, is this: in-state tuition 9,384 USD, Out-of-state tuition 25,872 USD.

    As for non-historic black colleges, they offer scholarships for black students who have lousy test scores by white standards. Blacks get offered a free ride that your average white doesn't get.

    If black women are carrying more student debt than any other group, it's because they're refusing to pay it off.

    Blacks in general are irresponsible when it comes to paying off debts. We all know that. What Ayanna Pressley wants is free college for blacks, period. She wants to give blacks the ability to be even more irresponsible than they are by refusing to hold them to account for their decisions.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anon

    So black women carry more student debt than white women or white men? Really? I doubt it. By what metric?

    Here are some details:

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/the-huge-racial-gap-in-graduate-school-student-debt/

    There was a big data dump by the NSF recently, the source of the load data, and the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education has been putting out various articles exploring it. For instance:

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/racial-differences-in-the-age-of-doctoral-degree-recipients-in-the-united-states/

    https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/academic-disciplines-where-african-americans-received-few-or-no-doctorates-in-2019/

    And so on. This website, http://www.jbhe.com, is a really good resource. I don’t know who runs it, but they are not woke at all. Over the years they have managed to get ahold of a lot of taboo data, for instance MCAT and SAT by race stuff that is no longer available to civilians. This section is the best on the site:

    https://www.jbhe.com/research-study/

    Well, here’s one recent ridiculous post about, not endorsing, wokeness:

    Study Says Empathy Scores Should Be a Part of Holistic Admissions Process for Medical Schools
    https://www.jbhe.com/research-study/

  135. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garlic
    @Hypnotoad666

    Another important related question is: why is the establishment so soft on perjury?

    The accepted opinion is that vote fraud if it existed, of course would be serious, but it’s been debunked (never mind how, it’s just been debunked).

    It would therefore follow logically that the sworn affidavits alleging vote fraud constitute perjury.

    Therefore again, all the voices who are loudest that there was no vote fraud should also be calling for full investigations into the sworn allegations so that the false swearers may be prosecuted for perjury.

    For odd, inexplicable reasons, this is not happening.

    Why not?, we might wonder.

    It certainly couldn’t be because any of the allegations could be confirmed: there’s no danger of that whatsoever, not when we’ve been assured they’ve been “debunked”!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous

    The lying eyewitnesses who ginned up the ‘hands up don’t shoot’ controversy in Ferguson were never prosecuted. The police decided to let it pass in order not to further inflame tension. Basically, it’s OK to lie to the police if you have the right skin color and/or belong to the right party. (Hillary is another example).

  136. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    More proof - as if any more is needed - that no one in charge takes the CoronaHoax seriously. They all know it's a hoax, including Creepy Joe Diapers who is often seen undiapered on federal property even after signing an order mandating facial diapers on all federal property.

    Replies: @adreadline

    You’re great, Mateen. When the time comes for you to go, know it was a pleasure to have you.

    Inconsistent non-use of Facediapers™

    It’s a hoax
    and Unz wept

  137. @Buzz Mohawk
    I am trying very hard to hold back... Can someone recommend a therapist so I don't shit out a whole bunch of comments?

    Mail-it-in voting elected the very Biden/HARRIS, totally-three-part Democrat, anti-White government Steve will now make fun of for the forseable future. It has provided him with an endless supply of material, which he will now mine from the New York Times, etc., for as long as he can hold on in his closet in the Valley.

    The Valley that is fast becoming anti-White, anti-Steve. How long will he remain safely there?

    Mail-it-in voting is the result of the very panic around SARS-CoV-2 that Steve still supports. He is complicit. Now does he see the irony?

    Frankly, though, voting by mail for a union issue can work. As a shareholder, I have voted for many years by mail for various boards of directors. So, I have used it from the opposite side, so-to-speak, and it really isn't much different, so I take back everything I just wrote. Voting by mail is just fine. LOL.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @David

    Steve is also a supporter of Australian Ballot, a system of voting that made it possible to summon Biden votes ex nihilo. J. S. Mill was right. People should take public responsibility for how they vote, just like jurors do.

  138. @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s been said mail-in voting has been subject to fraud. But I won’t say anymore about it, as it seems to trigger those on this site who have heard that all such allegations are “debunked.”"

    What I heard is that Trump's own AG couldn't find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud. Which limits my willingness to spend time looking into it.

    To me Trump has a substantial "boy who cried wolf problem". He spouts so much self serving nonsense that it is tempting to ignore everything he says. But for some reason this doesn't seem to bother his admirers.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud.

    I wonder why?

    Jeffrey A. Rosen
    Rosen was born to a Jewish family in Boston and grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "I wonder why?"

    I was talking about Barr not Rosen.

  139. @alt right moderate
    @Anon

    The problem is coming up with credible proof in a reasonable time frame. If you can't do that, then middle-of -the-road voters will believe you are no better than some far leftist who argues that racism is everywhere and the police should be defunded.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “The problem is coming up with credible proof in a reasonable time frame. ..”

    This is a bigger problem if you don’t start until the day after the election. If Trump had been really worried about fraud he had four years to implement measures to make it harder and more obvious. And of course four years to prove any fraud in the 2016 election. Or two years to prove any fraud in the 2018 election.

  140. @Dmon
    @Polistra

    WaPo got scooped months ago. Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on - Lauren's getting to the age where she's going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

    Replies: @Polistra, @JimB

    Bezos ought to lay off every one of the lazy bastards. He needs all the money he can get his hands on – Lauren’s getting to the age where she’s going to need a botox change and new boob struts every 1500 miles.

    Bezos and all the other Biden election fixers can hang out on Dorsey’s Lolita Island in French Polynesia.

  141. @anonymous
    @Anon

    You don't even need HVAC upgrades. That's overkill. In my workspace, we run merv16 filters duct-taped to box fans. It costs $30 per filter/month. It's comparable to everyone wearing a new N95 mask.

    If clowns like Fauci/CDC took covid seriously, these could be mass produced and be given out to every construction site in less than a week. Same for restaurants, bars, trains, theaters, apartment buildings, etc.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    I saw this on the TV over the weekend.

  142. @duncsbaby
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've never knowingly celebrated Burns Night before. Do Americans of very remote Scottish descent need an excuse to drink whisky or whiskey? It's my night off so I'll probably knock back a couple of shots of budget-conscious bourbon then crawl off to bed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KNedjsgnwY

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Good news. We found a bottle of this, and can save the Teeling’s for St Paddy’s. Pecan adds a North American touch, too.

  143. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus


    Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots
     
    Your quotation is meaningless because you don't know what are the specific "challenged ballots," and the legal grounds they were being challenged. For example, they may have been challenging a particular batch of ballots that were received late or didn't have proper signatures. In that case, the ballots could have been illegally counted even if they were not fraudulently cast.

    Unless you are willing to read and understand the actual court documents, you are just talking out your ass about the lawsuits. It's a talking point for people who don't know what they are talking about.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Your quotation is meaningless because you don’t know what are the specific “challenged ballots”

    But we do know, as those challenged ballots were specified in the court briefings by Trump’s lawyers, ranging from mail-in ballots to recount requests and ballots not counted initially but found in the official canvass. In those particular cases, when pressed by courts to disclose proof, Trump’s lawyers declined. Remember, the lawsuits generally targeted voter behavior that local officials verified, so that is why judges requested exact information rather than generalities.

    “For example, they may have been challenging a particular batch of ballots that were received late or didn’t have proper signatures. In that case, the ballots could have been illegally counted even if they were not fraudulently cast.”

    Except those allegations were addressed by local officials, so courts asking for specific instances by Trump’s attorneys showing exactly how and why those ballots were illegally counted. His lawyers punted.

    “Unless you are willing to read and understand the actual court documents, you are just talking out your ass about the lawsuits.”

    Not in the slightest. Here is a summary of those lawsuits, as well as the rulings.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-legal-challenges/2020/11/14/904fbd04-25e2-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html

  144. @deep anonymous
    @James B. Shearer

    You also need to consider Barr's limited credibility as an agent of the Deep State. In fact, we can see clearly in hindsight that Barr slow-walked the investigation into the Russiagate hoax/bad faith investigation and achieved his purpose--snakes like Comey, Prisap, Strok, Page, McCabe, and Rosenstein will not be held accountable for sedition. (In fact, there is substantial evidence that Biden and Obama also were involved.) So I have come to regard anything Barr says with suspicion.

    But I also agree with Hypnotoad666's take. You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC.”

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Corvinus

    To (((Corvinus))):

    Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?

    1. The knowingly false total bullshit "Russia Collusion" storyline they subjected us to the last 4+ years;
    2. The "mostly peaceful" riots perpetrated by your System pets BLM and Antifa throughout last year (and in a few notable places, even now);
    3. "Systemic racism" is always and everywhere the reason for Black (!) maladaptation and underperformance;
    4. Jews, the most powerful and wealthiest group in the world, are actually totally blameless victims of totally irrational anti-Semitism by stupid goyim;
    5. There are no flu deaths this season, and there is an explosion of COVID "positive" cases but don't you dare notice that the tests have enormous false positive rates because of the ginormous amplification of the nucleic acids in the samples;
    6. Hunter Biden's laptop was planted by the Russians.

    Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion. Enjoy Patriot Act 2.0, where you and your beloved System hunt down and kill your political enemies. Long live Emanuel Goldstein! I love Big Brother!

    Replies: @Corvinus

  145. @Hypnotoad666
    @James B. Shearer


    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.””

    So Barr may not have personally investigated anything but he is saying that investigations were conducted that didn’t find anything substantial. Why shouldn’t I believe him?
     
    You need to learn how to read MSM propaganda such as AP critically. Everything is taken out of context, cherry-picked, and spun. They state right up front that they have predetermined that any allegations of fraud are necessarily "baseless claims." https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d Since they admit their bias (if you weren't aware already), you have to know that all ambiguities must be interpreted against the propagandizer.

    For example, where is the actual transcript of the interview? Why did AP only cherry pick a few words they liked from their own interview and not publish the rest. Obviously, they don't want you to see the rest. Why not?

    Second, this interview was on Dec. 1, barely three weeks after the election.

    Third, "FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received." Really? "Working to follow up." WTF does that mean? Absolutely nothing. "Working to follow up," means maybe they are thinking about whether to call back someone who complained. This is obviously NOT any actual investigation of anything.

    Fourth, the quote doesn't say the evidence is that "no fraud" happened. It says that three weeks after the election, based on a non-investigation, it isn't clear the fraud was "on a scale that could have effected a different outcome."

    And I could go on.

    Hopefully, it should be obvious to you that this talking point that Barr disproved fraud is 100% false, and you've been played by believing it. To read the MSM you must start with the understanding that they are trying to lie to you and work backwards to figure out how.

    Replies: @ic1000, @James B. Shearer, @lavoisier

    Agree completely.

    Even when these people are lying,which they do on any subject that challenges the orthodoxy, you can tell by the language that they are using that they know that they are lying.

    That the courts refused to consider evidence for voter fraud is not evidence that there was no voter fraud.

    Unfortunately, such a distinction is missed by a lot of people.

  146. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus


    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?
     
    Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn't want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website.

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?
     
    According to the article you link to it's because: "an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case." Since you obviously don't know what legal "standing" means, it's a technicality that says she isn't in the category of people that are allowed to challenge the vote certification. It has nothing to do with insufficient evidence of fraud.

    Also, since Biden has already been inaugurated, the lawsuit is obviously moot.


    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?
     
    Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever.

    The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people's propaganda that you don't even understand.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Corvinus

    “Because Dominion threatened them with a defamation lawsuit and they didn’t want to spend the money to defend it since Dominion has approximately 1,000 x more money than the American Thinker website.”

    If American Thinker has the goods on Dominion, would not the Lin Woods and company the take the case pro bono? And, IF American Thinker capitulated having the facts on their side, then did they not cuck?

    Suffice to say, American Thinker did the right thing admitting they lied.

    According to the article you link to it’s because: “an appeals court said she did not have standing to try the case.”

    “Since you obviously don’t know what legal “standing” means…”

    Of course I know what that term means. The fact of the matter is where is her smoking gun evidence she promised?

    “Because each lawsuit is filed for a very specific legal purpose pertaining to each county or state under specific legal standards. Claiming fraud in Georgia is irrelevant to asking Maricopa county to allow inspection of its computer logs, or whatever.”

    Thanks for the strawman.

    “The bottom line is that neither you, nor the lying idiot MSM reporters you cite have the slightest clue about the legal issues in the various lawsuits. As usual, you are just parroting other people’s propaganda that you don’t even understand.”

    It has been demonstrated thoroughly that Trump’s lawsuits were void of facts. I can’t help that you feel duped that matters did not turn out the way they were promised by Trump and his lawyers, considering time after time “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots” regardless of jurisdiction.

  147. @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "You can never believe a MSM source, especially in a matter like this. They are proven liars who function as if they were official spox for the DNC."

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…


    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980's. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”
     

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    To (((Corvinus))):

    Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?

    1. The knowingly false total bullshit “Russia Collusion” storyline they subjected us to the last 4+ years;
    2. The “mostly peaceful” riots perpetrated by your System pets BLM and Antifa throughout last year (and in a few notable places, even now);
    3. “Systemic racism” is always and everywhere the reason for Black (!) maladaptation and underperformance;
    4. Jews, the most powerful and wealthiest group in the world, are actually totally blameless victims of totally irrational anti-Semitism by stupid goyim;
    5. There are no flu deaths this season, and there is an explosion of COVID “positive” cases but don’t you dare notice that the tests have enormous false positive rates because of the ginormous amplification of the nucleic acids in the samples;
    6. Hunter Biden’s laptop was planted by the Russians.

    Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion. Enjoy Patriot Act 2.0, where you and your beloved System hunt down and kill your political enemies. Long live Emanuel Goldstein! I love Big Brother!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?...Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion."

    You're proving my point, friend. Anything and everything that counters your narrative is automatically dismissed. That is not how rational discourse works. And it only demonstrates a willingness to be a slave to confirmation bias.

    So how do you would you counter Mr. Unz's advice? That is, why does he and likeminded Americans regardless of political stripe able to engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources, including the MSM?

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Malla

  148. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @James B. Shearer



    Trump’s own AG couldn’t find any convincing evidence of substantial fraud.

     

    I wonder why?


    Jeffrey A. Rosen
    Rosen was born to a Jewish family in Boston and grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts.

     

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “I wonder why?”

    I was talking about Barr not Rosen.

  149. @deep anonymous
    @Corvinus

    To (((Corvinus))):

    Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?

    1. The knowingly false total bullshit "Russia Collusion" storyline they subjected us to the last 4+ years;
    2. The "mostly peaceful" riots perpetrated by your System pets BLM and Antifa throughout last year (and in a few notable places, even now);
    3. "Systemic racism" is always and everywhere the reason for Black (!) maladaptation and underperformance;
    4. Jews, the most powerful and wealthiest group in the world, are actually totally blameless victims of totally irrational anti-Semitism by stupid goyim;
    5. There are no flu deaths this season, and there is an explosion of COVID "positive" cases but don't you dare notice that the tests have enormous false positive rates because of the ginormous amplification of the nucleic acids in the samples;
    6. Hunter Biden's laptop was planted by the Russians.

    Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion. Enjoy Patriot Act 2.0, where you and your beloved System hunt down and kill your political enemies. Long live Emanuel Goldstein! I love Big Brother!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?…Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion.”

    You’re proving my point, friend. Anything and everything that counters your narrative is automatically dismissed. That is not how rational discourse works. And it only demonstrates a willingness to be a slave to confirmation bias.

    So how do you would you counter Mr. Unz’s advice? That is, why does he and likeminded Americans regardless of political stripe able to engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources, including the MSM?

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Corvinus

    Because it is, unfortunately, our primary means of "information." But I choose to read it with extreme skepticism. Even after 63 years, I still do not consider myself expert at decoding it and extracting the occasional nuggets of truth wrapped up in the tapestries of disinformation and propaganda.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Malla
    @Corvinus


    a slave to confirmation bias.
     
    You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly.

    engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources
     
    Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  150. @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?...Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion."

    You're proving my point, friend. Anything and everything that counters your narrative is automatically dismissed. That is not how rational discourse works. And it only demonstrates a willingness to be a slave to confirmation bias.

    So how do you would you counter Mr. Unz's advice? That is, why does he and likeminded Americans regardless of political stripe able to engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources, including the MSM?

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Malla

    Because it is, unfortunately, our primary means of “information.” But I choose to read it with extreme skepticism. Even after 63 years, I still do not consider myself expert at decoding it and extracting the occasional nuggets of truth wrapped up in the tapestries of disinformation and propaganda.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "Because it is, unfortunately, our primary means of “information.”"

    You mean information, no quotes.

    "But I choose to read it with extreme skepticism".

    Perhaps more like extreme prejudice.

    "Even after 63 years, I still do not consider myself expert at decoding it and extracting the occasional nuggets of truth wrapped up in the tapestries of disinformation and propaganda."

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “media lies” meme. Any fact they bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias.

  151. @deep anonymous
    @Corvinus

    Because it is, unfortunately, our primary means of "information." But I choose to read it with extreme skepticism. Even after 63 years, I still do not consider myself expert at decoding it and extracting the occasional nuggets of truth wrapped up in the tapestries of disinformation and propaganda.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Because it is, unfortunately, our primary means of “information.””

    You mean information, no quotes.

    “But I choose to read it with extreme skepticism”.

    Perhaps more like extreme prejudice.

    “Even after 63 years, I still do not consider myself expert at decoding it and extracting the occasional nuggets of truth wrapped up in the tapestries of disinformation and propaganda.”

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “media lies” meme. Any fact they bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias.

  152. @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    "Which MSM fairy tale should I accept uncritically according to your received wisdom?...Or whatever. It is pointless to continue this discussion."

    You're proving my point, friend. Anything and everything that counters your narrative is automatically dismissed. That is not how rational discourse works. And it only demonstrates a willingness to be a slave to confirmation bias.

    So how do you would you counter Mr. Unz's advice? That is, why does he and likeminded Americans regardless of political stripe able to engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources, including the MSM?

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Malla

    a slave to confirmation bias.

    You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly.

    engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources

    Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Malla

    "You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly."

    That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen."

    They do. You're just refusing to pay close attention.

    Replies: @Malla

  153. @Malla
    @Corvinus


    a slave to confirmation bias.
     
    You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly.

    engage in critical thinking by employing a host of sources
     
    Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly.”

    That would be a strawman on your part.

    “Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen.”

    They do. You’re just refusing to pay close attention.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Corvinus


    That would be a strawman on your part.
     
    What is this obsession with straws? Are you a Gau mata?

    They do. You’re just refusing to pay close attention.
     
    You are refusing to pay attention (or incapable) to facts on this website alone that they do not.
  154. @Corvinus
    @Malla

    "You have described the Marxist MSM and Marxist academia of the West, perfectly."

    That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Great advise for the MSM and academia. Hope they listen."

    They do. You're just refusing to pay close attention.

    Replies: @Malla

    That would be a strawman on your part.

    What is this obsession with straws? Are you a Gau mata?

    They do. You’re just refusing to pay close attention.

    You are refusing to pay attention (or incapable) to facts on this website alone that they do not.

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