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From The Atlantic a long time ago:
Must It Be the Rest Against the West?
December 1994
Absent major changes in North-South relations, the wretched should inherit the earth by about 2025
by Matthew Connelly and Paul Kennedy
Connelly is now a professor of history at Columbia U., while Kennedy is a professor of history at Yale.
“Now, stretching over that empty sea, aground some fifty yards out, [lay] the incredible fleet from the other side of the globe, the rusty, creaking fleet that the old professor had been eyeing since morning. . . . He pressed his eye to the glass, and the first things he saw were arms. . . . Then he started to count. Calm and unhurried. But it was like trying to count all the trees in the forest, those arms raised high in the air, waving and shaking together, all outstretched toward the nearby shore. Scraggy branches, brown and black, quickened by a breath of hope. All bare, those fleshless Gandhi-arms. . . . thirty thousand creatures on a single ship!”
—The Camp of the Saints
Welcome to the 300-page narrative of Jean Raspail’s disturbing, chilling, futuristic novel The Camp of the Saints, first published in Paris twenty-one years ago and translated into English a short while later. Set at some vague time–perhaps fifteen or twenty years–in the future, the novel describes the pilgrimage of a million desperate Indians who, forsaking the ghastly conditions of downtown Calcutta and surrounding villages, commandeer an armada of decrepit ships and set off for the French Riviera. The catalyst for this irruption is simple enough. Moved by accounts of widespread famine across an Indian subcontinent collapsing under the sheer weight of its fast-growing population, the Belgian government has decided to admit and adopt a number of young children; but the policy is reversed when tens of thousands of mothers begin to push their babies against the Belgian consul general’s gates in Calcutta. After mobbing the building in disgust at Belgium’s change of mind, the crowd is further inflamed by a messianic speech from one of their number, an untouchable, a gaunt, eye-catching “turd eater,” who calls for the poor and wretched of the world to advance upon the Western paradise: “The nations are rising from the four corners of the earth,” Raspail has the man say, “and their number is like the sand of the sea. They will march up over the broad earth and surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city. . . .” Storming on board every ship within range, the crowds force the crews to take them on a lengthy, horrific voyage, around Africa and through the Strait of Gibraltar to the southern shores of France.
But it is not the huddled mass of Indians, with their “fleshless Gandhi-arms,” that is the focus of Raspail’s attention so much as the varied responses of the French and the other privileged members of “the camp of the saints” as they debate how to deal with the inexorably advancing multitude. Raspail is particularly effective here in capturing the platitudes of official announcements, the voices of ordinary people, the tone of statements by concerned bishops, and so on. The book also seems realistic in its recounting of the crumbling away of resolve by French sailors and soldiers when they are given the order to repel physically–to shoot or torpedo–this armada of helpless yet menacing people. It would be much easier, clearly, to confront a military foe, such as a Warsaw Pact nation. The fifty-one (short) chapters are skillfully arranged so that the reader’s attention is switched back and forth, within a two-month time frame, between the anxious debates in Paris and events attending the slow and grisly voyage of the Calcutta masses. The denouement, with the French population fleeing their southern regions and army units deserting in droves, is especially dramatic.
The Voyage of the Golden Venture
Why revisit this controversial and nowadays hard-to-obtain novel? The recovery of this neglected work helps us to call attention to the key global problem of the final years of the twentieth century: unbalanced wealth and resources, unbalanced demographic trends, and the relationship between the two. Many members of the more prosperous economies are beginning to agree with Raspail’s vision: a world of two “camps,” North and South, separate and unequal, in which the rich will have to fight and the poor will have to die if mass migration is not to overwhelm us all. Migration is the third part of the problem. If we do not act now to counteract tendencies toward global apartheid, they will only hurry the day when we may indeed see Raspail’s vision made real.
One of us (Kennedy) first heard The Camp of the Saints referred to at various times during discussions of illegal migration. One such occasion was in the summer of 1991, following media reports about the thousands of desperate Albanians who commandeered ships to take them to the Italian ports of Bari and Brindisi, where they were locked in soccer stadiums by the local police before being forcibly returned to a homeland so poor that it is one of the few parts of Europe sometimes categorized as “developing” countries. Apparently, one reason for this exodus was that the Albanians had been watching Italian television–including commercials for consumer goods, cat food shown being served on a silver platter, and the like. More than a few colleagues mentioned that the incident struck them as a small-scale version of Raspail’s grim scenario. …
The Doom of the White Race
Jean Raspail, born in 1925, has been writing works of travel and fiction since the 1950s. Many of his books recount his experiences in Alaska, the Caribbean, the Andes; he is not ignorant of foreign lands and cultures. Raspail won prizes from the Academie Francaise, and last year only narrowly failed to be elected to that august body. The Camp of the Saints is different from his other writings. In the preface, written a decade after the book, he states that one morning in 1972, at home by the shore of the Mediterranean, he had this vision: “A million poor wretches, armed only with their weakness and their numbers, overwhelmed by misery, encumbered with starving brown and black children, ready to disembark on our soil, the vanguard of the multitudes pressing hard against every part of the tired and overfed West. I literally saw them, saw the major problem they presented, a problem absolutely insoluble by our present moral standards. To let them in would destroy us. To reject them would destroy them.”
“During the ten months I spent writing this book, the vision never left me. That is why The Camp of the Saints, with all its imperfections, was a kind of emotional outpouring.”
Is this simply a work of imagination or, as Raspail’s critics charge, a racist tract dressed up as fiction? In some parts of the novel Raspail appears to be resigned, fatalistic, not taking sides: “The Good are at war with the Bad, true enough,” he says at one point. “But one man’s ‘Bad’ is another man’s ‘Good,’ and vice versa. It’s a question of sides.” And he has the President of France, puzzling over the question of inequality among races, attribute to the Grand Mufti of Paris the idea that it is “just a question of rotation,” with “different ones on top at different times”–as if to imply that it is quite natural for Europe, having expanded outward for the past 500 years, to be overwhelmed in turn by non-Western peoples. …
The message is clear: race, not class or ideology, determines everything, and the wretched of the earth will see no distinction between unfriendly, fascistic Frenchmen on the one hand and liberal-minded bishops and yuppies on the other. All have enjoyed too large a share of the world’s wealth for too long, and their common fate is now at hand.
It is not just the people of France who suffer that fate. Near the end of Raspail’s novel the mayor of New York is made to share Gracie Mansion with three families from Harlem, the Queen of England must marry her son to a Pakistani, and just one drunken Russian general stands in the way of the Chinese as they swarm into Siberia. “In the Philippines, in all the stifling Third World ports–Jakarta, Karachi, Conakry, and again in Calcutta–other huge armadas were ready to weigh anchor, bound for Australia, New Zealand, Europe. . . . Many a civilization, victim of the selfsame fate, sits tucked in our museums, under glass, neatly labeled.”
To describe The Camp of the Saints as an apocalyptic novel would be a truism. The very title of the book comes, of course, from Saint John’s Apocalypse, the lines of which are uttered almost exactly by the messianic untouchable early on in the book. The work is studded with references to much earlier clashes between “the West” and “the Rest”: to Charles Martel, to the fall of Constantinople, to Don John of Austria, to Kitchener at Omdurman–all to fortify the suggestion that what is unfolding is just part of a millennium-old international Kulturkampf that is always resolved by power and numbers. When Europe dominated the globe, the Caucasian race’s relative share of world population achieved its high point; as the proportion shrinks, Raspail argues, so the race dooms itself. In his 1982 preface he spells it out again: “Our hypersensitive and totally blind West . . . has not yet understood that whites, in a world become too small for its inhabitants, are now a minority and that the proliferation of other races dooms our race, my race, irretrievably to extinction in the century to come, if we hold fast to our present moral principles.”
“Not Since Genghis Khan”
When The Camp of the Saints first appeared, in 1973, it was, to put it mildly, not well received. Sixties radicalism still prevailed in Paris; a century of capitalist imperialism was blamed for the problems of the Third World, though the feeling was that Africans and Asians now at least had control of their own destinies; and French intellectuals and bureaucrats believed that they had a special rapport with non-European cultures, unlike the insensitive Anglo-Saxons. Besides being shocking in its contents, Raspail’s book was also offensive: it insulted almost everything that Sorbonne professors held dear. The Camp was swiftly dismissed as a racist tract. As for Raspail, he went off to write other novels and travel books. But in late 1985 he offended again, by joining forces with the demographer Gerard Dumont to write an article in Le Figaro Magazine claiming that the fast-growing non-European immigrant component of France’s population would endanger the survival of traditional French culture, values, and identity. By this time the immigration issue had become much more contentious in French politics, and only a year earlier Jacques Chirac, then the mayor of Paris, had publicly warned, “When you compare Europe with the other continents, it’s terrifying. In demographic terms, Europe is disappearing. Twenty or so years from now our countries will be empty, and no matter what our technological power, we shall be incapable of putting it to use.” The Raspail-Dumont article was highly embarrassing to the French Socialist government, which, though pledged to crack down on illegal immigrants, was deeply disturbed by the potential political fallout from such a controversial piece. No fewer than three Cabinet Ministers, including Prime Minister Laurent Fabius, attacked it as “racist propaganda” and “reminiscent of the wildest Nazi theories.”
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One of my favorite books.
One of my favorite books.
About the Albanians invading Italy. Friend was in Italy that summer.
Albania gets Italian TV, which is very bosomy and glamorous. So the Albanians, mostly men, were shocked when they were greeted by non glamorous soberly dressed Italian women immigration officers and welfare resettlement workers.
They actually asked, where’s the gorgeous busty women we see on TV?
They then settled nicely into the criminal world and are a successful, entrepreneurial, immigrant success story.
No-holds barred pornography now.
An underrated draw IMO.
We’re now all in the mess Raspail described. We passed forty potential off-ramps to get here but here we all are. Maybe saying “democracy is the worst system, except for all the others” isn’t a good enough answer anymore?
It's funny when you hear someone like Bernie Breadlines talk about "democratic socialism" as if combining mob rule with centralized planning will make centralized planning work better. Democracy has a mixed record compared with dictatorship, meanwhile capitalism has completely schlonged socialism to the point where you'd have to be mentally ill or evil to advocate for it.
Now there was a man of courage and foresight.
R.I.P.
I understand the mob is now purging the libraries of truthful books. Has anyone checked to see if “Camp of the Saints” is on their hit list?
Bezos apparently hasn’t gotten around to removing it from Amazon (yet).
What it really comes down to is people feeling guilty and making their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren pay the real price. This is particularly weird in Germany where the country refused in it’s time of financial hardship to pay reparations to Greece that would exceed the debts it owes to German banks. The generation that caused the war and their children got to enjoy a very nice country and not to put a point on it, but one without the Jewish presence or influence so many Nazis had hated, all for the trading of Prussia where most did not live.
But the grandchildren of that generation who could never be mistaken for Nazis are paying the price and their children will pay a heavier one. They got to live in a nice homogeneous country with a sense of belonging without ethnic dimensions to politics.
Stop feeling guilty about what your ancestors may or may have not done (Or in the cases of some ethnicities, what people of only the same general continental race as your ancestors) and what you yourself would never do. Start feeling guilty about what you’re doing to future generations.
I hope the protestors do take down the statues of Lincoln, Churchill and all the others and like the Columbus statues that are now getting some political cover for being ethnic totems for Italian-Americans, I hope whites start to understand how those statues as ethnic totems are viewed by the protestors because it’s how they view your self-determination and right to be left alone in your own homelands. As they call you a ‘supremacist’ for it.
Guilt really is the Achilles Heel of the West. Because of Christianity? Maybe. But the cause doesn't matter. Whatever its source, it is clearly a real thing, and it doesn't look to be going away any time soon.
No living white person held slaves, and the overwhelming majority of their ancestors didn't either. Whatever the claims against segregation and Jim Crow, those seem to be popular with people of all races today inasmuch as they keep re-enacting de facto what was abolished de jure. The notion that civilization was built by colored immigrants then stolen by whites is straight up false. And "systemic racism" and related myths are all just Three Card Monte-esque swindles.
Altogether there is no legitimate cause for the current psychosis of mass race guilt. Yet it persists. So if it can't be stopped, can it be redirected? Better yet, can it be redirected to where it actually belongs? Yes it can.With some noble exceptions, as the current and coming catastrophes were drawn up, those who were not directly complicit were distractedly giving away the store. Should it have been otherwise? Yeah, but that's water under the bridge now. And the difference between "should have" and "is" we call guilt. Legitimate guilt.
Whenever there is a call for mass race guilt, recall that there is indeed a cause for guilt, but not the one the press baron keep forcing on you. Future generations will rightly curse you if you sacrifice them to purchase a little temporary safety. Whenever guilt tribute is demanded, recall that guilt is real and right ... if you give in to the tribute demander. They are trying to rob you and your descendants. If you let them, you are guilty.Replies: @Art Deco
… and, the Africans are coming.
This is not an invasion; it’s an orderly TRANSFECTION by the Cosmopolitans. As BLM New American Order order is implemented, will Battlefield America 2020 be fanned by the flames of resistance?
He’s burning in hell. He is a racist that implied we should not allow immigration.
His “book” is full of white fear and delusion. It is full on racist and should be banned from existence.
Anyone who finds it poignant has revealed themselves to be an intellectual coward, a racist, and mentally ill.
I take great solace in the fact that “europeans” will not look “white” in the very near future and this man will have been proven wrong.
Other times we are told White Genocide is inevitable and that opposing it is "racist".
Speaking of writers…..It’s a good thing that Ray Bradbury is dead….
https://twitter.com/Indian_Bronson/status/1271810681021620225
When can we retire the continuously misused Kulturkampf in favor of Rassekampf or perhaps Volkkampf? The Kulturkampf ended generations ago. All of our lifetimes have been a period of mere Kultur aufwischung (or ausrottung).
Meanwhile, in the CHAZ.
Originally they said they were separate from the US...but I guess it's hard to get much done if you don't use BlackRockBux.
More from the PLAYBOY interview with Ray Bradbury:
PLAYBOY: Was your faith in law enforcement shaken because of Stacey Koon and Mark Fuhrman?
BRADBURY: We’ve become what I call a Kleenex society—I saw the public’s reaction as the symbolic chance to blow its collective nose on the whole police force of the United States, holding all cops responsible for incidents in Los Angeles. Of course I knew there was a problem in the LAPD. On the other hand, three of my daughters have been raped and robbed by black men, so I have a prejudice, too, don’t I? And if I ever were to find the bastards, I’d kill them. I’ve seen violence used by police, and I’ve seen it used against white people, too.
PLAYBOY: Did the Rodney King riots shock you?
BRADBURY: I was more than shocked—I was terribly upset, and terribly angry at Mayor Bradley. The friend I’ve known for ten years was the man who went on television half an hour after the trial was over and used terrible language to say he was outraged. Boom!—next thing you know, the mobs burned the streets. Thus far I haven’t had the guts to tell Tom Bradley, face-to-face, “you did it!”
PLAYBOY: Did you have any idea there was so much rage in Los Angeles’ black community?
BRADBURY: I don’t think anybody knew.
PLAYBOY: Did you feel any empathy for the rioters?
BRADBURY: None. Why should I? I don’t approve of any mob anywhere at any time. Had we not controlled it in L.A., all the big cities in this country would have gone up in flames.
PLAYBOY: If Los Angeles is an indicator for the nation, what is the future of other big cities?
BRADBURY: Along with man’s return to the moon, my biggest hope is that L.A. will show the way for all of our cities to rebuild, because they’ve gone to hell and the crime rate has soared. When we can repopulate them, the crime rate will plunge.
PLAYBOY: What will help?
BRADBURY: We need enlightened corporations to do it; they’re the only ones who can. All the great malls have been built by corporate enterprises. We have to rebuild cities with the same conceptual flair that the great malls have. We can turn any bad section of town into a vibrant new community.
PLAYBOY: How do you convince corporate leaders and bureaucrats that you have the right approach?
BRADBURY: They listen because they know my track record. The center of downtown San Diego was nonexistent until a concept of mine, the Horton Plaza, was built right in the middle of bleakest skid row. Civilization returned to San Diego upon its completion. It became the center of a thriving community. And the Glendale Galleria, based on my concept, changed downtown Glendale when it was built nearly 25 years ago. So if I live another ten years—please, God!—I’ll be around to witness a lot of this in Los Angeles and inspire the same thing in big cities throughout the country.
Well, that bit hasn’t aged well.Replies: @BB753
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This man was a visionary. RIP.
If there is hope, it lies with the football enthusiasts:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1271804564430348289
The translator of The Camp, Norman Shapiro, was radio interviewed by the late David Brudnoy when the book was reissued by The Social Contract Press. Interesting that these coreligionists, albeit probably secularists, were so influential in promoting this book. In my case, they were certainly instrumental in getting me off my off my duff to read a book I had long heard about but never got around to reading. (And as an added fillip, Brudnoy was an active homosexual!)
A great man and more , a prophet.
Had a copy of Camp of the Saints from the mid 70’ but lost it in a move. Bought another a few months ago thinking it would not long be available. Pretty certain of that now.
I tried reading Le camp des saints in French. It was unreadable at least by me. Extremely overwritten, page after page to describe the scene in the south of France overlooking the Mediterranean before anything may be said to happen. Not untypical of modern French novels.
https://twitter.com/Indian_Bronson/status/1271810681021620225Replies: @Dan Hayes
Not too surprising upon realizing that Bradbury was a friend of Russell Kirk!
Raspail didn’t really grok the impending Muslim Century, though who really could have foreseen that Muslims would refine on the jailhouse-lawyer squeaky-wheel strategy of 80s/90s era gays & proto-trannies — of course now The Blacks have come roaring back to show everybody “how it’s done” 2020 style
Everyone knew what was in store for White countries.
But unfortunately it was framed as an “education” problem. As if sitting down with anti-Whites and explaining IQ would change anything. Or talking budgets and tax loads. However, no “detente” was ever possible. It was just a war on Whites. They hated you.
And just like it took a Reagan to call out communism for what it was, and not try to compromise with it, the only way forward is for us to call out Anti-Whitism for what it is.
Raspail was a visionary along the lines of Tom Wolfe.
Finally happened in France. Israel is reaping the whirlwind from all this, the only country to actually be guilty of the things they accuse the West about. This is what the likes of Shapiro and others in his mold have come out against ‘identity politics’, they’ve held the line very successfully in the US, but the number of arabs and Muslims is still too low.
https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1271939980286472197
“Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!”
The late David Brudnoy was the best talk-show host on the radio in his time. He was another important voice in the immigration movement who knew that this massive, unending third world immigration would eventually tear the United States apart.
Almost all of the most important voices in the anti-immigration movement died young. Lawrence Auster 64. Davis Brudnoy 64. Sam Francis 57.
Camp of the Saints was a prophetic and engrossing book. The translator did a great job too, as it might be easy to translate an action novel, but not something like this. (There's really not that much action in it.)
Peak Stupidity has a review, but it's really a review of this review by Chris Roberts on VDare almost 3 years back.
RIP, Jean Raspail
If Jean Raspail was a Jew, his funeral would be a state event, attended by leaders from throughout the Western world. Trump would Tweet about him. Even Pelosi would give him a shout out.
“French” Neocon intellectual (((Bernard Henri Levy))) claimed that the Gilet Jaune protesters are “White trash.”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/frances-yellow-vests-take-a-left-turn/
(((George Soros))) pushed millions of refugees into Europe.
Jewish migrant (((Barbara Lerner Spectre))) is helping to make Europe into a multiracial paradise. She says Jews will be at the center of transforming European demographics.
Labor Labor (((Ed Miliband))) praising mass immigration into the UK.
By the way, here’s a short video showing how Israel deals with its African migrants. Watch from 1:05-3:30. It’s very enlightening. You’ll also see how Jews deal with fellow Jews who sympathy for non-white migrants.
PLAYBOY: Was your faith in law enforcement shaken because of Stacey Koon and Mark Fuhrman?
BRADBURY: We’ve become what I call a Kleenex society—I saw the public’s reaction as the symbolic chance to blow its collective nose on the whole police force of the United States, holding all cops responsible for incidents in Los Angeles. Of course I knew there was a problem in the LAPD. On the other hand, three of my daughters have been raped and robbed by black men, so I have a prejudice, too, don’t I? And if I ever were to find the bastards, I’d kill them. I’ve seen violence used by police, and I’ve seen it used against white people, too.
PLAYBOY: Did the Rodney King riots shock you?
BRADBURY: I was more than shocked—I was terribly upset, and terribly angry at Mayor Bradley. The friend I’ve known for ten years was the man who went on television half an hour after the trial was over and used terrible language to say he was outraged. Boom!—next thing you know, the mobs burned the streets. Thus far I haven’t had the guts to tell Tom Bradley, face-to-face, “you did it!”
PLAYBOY: Did you have any idea there was so much rage in Los Angeles’ black community?
BRADBURY: I don’t think anybody knew.
PLAYBOY: Did you feel any empathy for the rioters?
BRADBURY: None. Why should I? I don’t approve of any mob anywhere at any time. Had we not controlled it in L.A., all the big cities in this country would have gone up in flames.
PLAYBOY: If Los Angeles is an indicator for the nation, what is the future of other big cities?
BRADBURY: Along with man’s return to the moon, my biggest hope is that L.A. will show the way for all of our cities to rebuild, because they’ve gone to hell and the crime rate has soared. When we can repopulate them, the crime rate will plunge.
PLAYBOY: What will help?
BRADBURY: We need enlightened corporations to do it; they’re the only ones who can. All the great malls have been built by corporate enterprises. We have to rebuild cities with the same conceptual flair that the great malls have. We can turn any bad section of town into a vibrant new community.
PLAYBOY: How do you convince corporate leaders and bureaucrats that you have the right approach?
BRADBURY: They listen because they know my track record. The center of downtown San Diego was nonexistent until a concept of mine, the Horton Plaza, was built right in the middle of bleakest skid row. Civilization returned to San Diego upon its completion. It became the center of a thriving community. And the Glendale Galleria, based on my concept, changed downtown Glendale when it was built nearly 25 years ago. So if I live another ten years—please, God!—I’ll be around to witness a lot of this in Los Angeles and inspire the same thing in big cities throughout the country.Replies: @Pop Warner, @Peter Akuleyev, @Reg Cæsar
What the fuck?!? Forget it if you have prejudice, it’s 100% justified and he would have been justified to turn Compton into Tulsa circa 1921
Meanwhile, down the coast from the Riviera:
Protest genocide and slavery under the oppressive Roman Empire and raze the Colosseum!
An excerpt:
Sign away:
Change.org: Protest genocide and slavery under the oppressive Roman Empire and raze the Colosseum!
"French" Neocon intellectual (((Bernard Henri Levy))) claimed that the Gilet Jaune protesters are “White trash."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/frances-yellow-vests-take-a-left-turn/
(((George Soros))) pushed millions of refugees into Europe.
https://twitter.com/ManustheCaptain/status/1056586916630593536
Jewish migrant (((Barbara Lerner Spectre))) is helping to make Europe into a multiracial paradise. She says Jews will be at the center of transforming European demographics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45WthPTo24
Labor Labor (((Ed Miliband))) praising mass immigration into the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR20ICYUmgE
By the way, here's a short video showing how Israel deals with its African migrants. Watch from 1:05-3:30. It's very enlightening. You'll also see how Jews deal with fellow Jews who sympathy for non-white migrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IAReplies: @IHTG, @Stan d Mute, @Pericles
I assure you it wouldn’t.
https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1009934043566178304Replies: @Art Deco, @Charon
Camp of the Saints is “not available” on amazon, even in the kindle edition. The cheapest used copy there (or on abebooks, which is owned by amazon) is close to a hundred dollars. Same story with The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing, the cheapest copy is $160. This is how we lose and lose.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdfReplies: @The Wild Geese Howard
Sigh.
Do you have some suggestions on where I can sell some of my copies for ~ $160 ?Replies: @anon, @Anonymous
His "book" is full of white fear and delusion. It is full on racist and should be banned from existence.
Anyone who finds it poignant has revealed themselves to be an intellectual coward, a racist, and mentally ill.
I take great solace in the fact that "europeans" will not look "white" in the very near future and this man will have been proven wrong.Replies: @mousey, @Some Guy, @HammerJack, @Anon
Who is this TinyDuck imposter? He can spell and uses big words correctly. A pox on him!
https://twitter.com/DianeRMurray/status/1271799069170679808Replies: @anon, @Stan d Mute, @Olorin
Great idea, I want to see more of this from leftards. MOAR! Cough up the cash, trustafarian!
Later on we should see suggestions that white girls don’t have to hand over a Hamilton, nah, they can just provide a “cash equivalent”.
lol.
When will SPAZ set up a free clinic to treat STD’s?
The SPAZ will be an object lesson for months to come, just as Occupy was. When the weather turns colder and wetter we’ll see the real fun begin.
His "book" is full of white fear and delusion. It is full on racist and should be banned from existence.
Anyone who finds it poignant has revealed themselves to be an intellectual coward, a racist, and mentally ill.
I take great solace in the fact that "europeans" will not look "white" in the very near future and this man will have been proven wrong.Replies: @mousey, @Some Guy, @HammerJack, @Anon
Wouldn’t that prove him right?
His "book" is full of white fear and delusion. It is full on racist and should be banned from existence.
Anyone who finds it poignant has revealed themselves to be an intellectual coward, a racist, and mentally ill.
I take great solace in the fact that "europeans" will not look "white" in the very near future and this man will have been proven wrong.Replies: @mousey, @Some Guy, @HammerJack, @Anon
One of several ways in which TD perfectly satirizes the SJW mindset is how he can completely contradict himself within a single sentence, and not even notice.
The Camp of the Saints, first published in Paris twenty-one years ago…The book was written in 1973, which, to me, made it all the more stunning in its foresight. Are you saying that the work wasn’t “published” in Paris until 1999 (21 years ago), or is that statement an oversight? Of Monsieur Raspail one can definitely say that he knew his own people very well.
https://twitter.com/DianeRMurray/status/1271799069170679808Replies: @anon, @Stan d Mute, @Olorin
Standard Jesse Jackson / Al Sharpton shakedown hustle for the Twit generation.
A true prophet, who wrote because he loved his country and its people.
RIP Jean.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:9 KJV
The Atlantic article is from 1994.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-krauthammer-honored-by-washington-nationals-at-ballgame-after-his-death
Rodney King drowned in his swimming pool, not at the hands of the police, but he was in a video that was played over and over by television. In the case of George Floyd the most essential aspect was, like King’s beating, being highly cinematic and shown on TV news. They have never got such ratings so they played it over and over.
I think Camp of The Saints was inspired by May 1968, during which de Gaulle fled with his family to a French army base in Germany. That revolt was influenced by Guy Debord’s The Society of The Spectacle, with its thesis of liberal democracy as a virtual world of the media reproducing hypercapitalism. For Raspail, de Gaulle was the last great French politician. At the end of Camp of The Saints the few Frenchmen who are resisting are unceremoniously bombed by the French Air Force. Raspail was realistic.
Some passages of this translation and article are peculiarly worded:
“He pressed his eye to the glass [watching the landing of a ship laden with poor people]”: What glass? The glass of a window pane? The lens of a telescope? Is this a too-literal translation of a French idiom? The thought of eyeball and glass pressed against each other is creepy.
“fleshless Gandhi-arms”: How can an arm be fleshless, even if its owner is just “skin and bones”? Gandhi’s arms were never fleshless, at least while he was alive.
“The nations are rising from the four corners of the earth,” Raspail has the man say, “and their number is like the sand of the sea. . . .”: What number? The number of nations? There are fewer than a thousand nations in the world. Does the sea contain sand? Is the number of invaders (“a million”) being compared with the number of grains of sand on all the beaches in the world?
"You could use a guitar as a weapon, but which one of your friends with their pasty Grover arms would be strong enough to swing it?"
https://anniegebler.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/grover1.jpg?w=180&h=300
Why? I read it twenty years ago as a free pdf download.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf
Is the book any good from a pure literary perspective? I know what’s it about and I agree with the general premise but is it worth reading as a stand-alone piece of fiction?
The guy was so prescient that it is difficult to believe he didn't have access to a crystal ball or other black magic.Replies: @fnn
"French" Neocon intellectual (((Bernard Henri Levy))) claimed that the Gilet Jaune protesters are “White trash."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/frances-yellow-vests-take-a-left-turn/
(((George Soros))) pushed millions of refugees into Europe.
https://twitter.com/ManustheCaptain/status/1056586916630593536
Jewish migrant (((Barbara Lerner Spectre))) is helping to make Europe into a multiracial paradise. She says Jews will be at the center of transforming European demographics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45WthPTo24
Labor Labor (((Ed Miliband))) praising mass immigration into the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR20ICYUmgE
By the way, here's a short video showing how Israel deals with its African migrants. Watch from 1:05-3:30. It's very enlightening. You'll also see how Jews deal with fellow Jews who sympathy for non-white migrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IAReplies: @IHTG, @Stan d Mute, @Pericles
Thanks especially for the last video. It has great potential in our current religious purity purge. It has awesome potential if sent to everyone who’s virtue signaling. In fact, one could virtue signal himself on FB or Twit or whatever the cool kids are using today – “Shock: look how black people are dehumanized here!”
https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1009934043566178304Replies: @Art Deco, @Charon
That’s not a state funeral. That’s a short tribute by a commercial company to a prominent local fan. (I’d wager Krauthammer had a personal friend in a senior management position).
How long until they make this book illegal?
The book, in English translation, is not to my taste. I don’t like ornate descriptive prose much.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1271804564430348289Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday
And people say soccer is boring.
In other words, it’s an ideal candidate for adaptation to stage or screen. Sad to say, it ain’t agonna happen.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdfReplies: @The Wild Geese Howard
It is also possible to find the novel on pdfdrive.com.
I read that Raspail did have Muslims in mind, but that would have been too incendiary, so he made them Indians. I read that Atwood had Muslims in mind when she conceived The Handmaid’s Tale, but that would have been too incendiary, so she made them white Christians.
I feel the book is worth reading because Raspail does such a superb job of writing about socio-political attitudes and atmospheres that slot right into our current reality in 2020.
The guy was so prescient that it is difficult to believe he didn’t have access to a crystal ball or other black magic.
There’s another, not my favorite person (politically) otherwise, but an immigration patriot and more known than those 3. Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-Texas) died at 59 y/o. I learned about her from reading VDare.
Camp of the Saints was a prophetic and engrossing book. The translator did a great job too, as it might be easy to translate an action novel, but not something like this. (There’s really not that much action in it.)
Peak Stupidity has a review, but it’s really a review of this review by Chris Roberts on VDare almost 3 years back.
RIP, Jean Raspail
As the repository/curator of all good things, has our host Ron republished this ground-breaking / seminal work? If not, I hope he does!
PLAYBOY: Was your faith in law enforcement shaken because of Stacey Koon and Mark Fuhrman?
BRADBURY: We’ve become what I call a Kleenex society—I saw the public’s reaction as the symbolic chance to blow its collective nose on the whole police force of the United States, holding all cops responsible for incidents in Los Angeles. Of course I knew there was a problem in the LAPD. On the other hand, three of my daughters have been raped and robbed by black men, so I have a prejudice, too, don’t I? And if I ever were to find the bastards, I’d kill them. I’ve seen violence used by police, and I’ve seen it used against white people, too.
PLAYBOY: Did the Rodney King riots shock you?
BRADBURY: I was more than shocked—I was terribly upset, and terribly angry at Mayor Bradley. The friend I’ve known for ten years was the man who went on television half an hour after the trial was over and used terrible language to say he was outraged. Boom!—next thing you know, the mobs burned the streets. Thus far I haven’t had the guts to tell Tom Bradley, face-to-face, “you did it!”
PLAYBOY: Did you have any idea there was so much rage in Los Angeles’ black community?
BRADBURY: I don’t think anybody knew.
PLAYBOY: Did you feel any empathy for the rioters?
BRADBURY: None. Why should I? I don’t approve of any mob anywhere at any time. Had we not controlled it in L.A., all the big cities in this country would have gone up in flames.
PLAYBOY: If Los Angeles is an indicator for the nation, what is the future of other big cities?
BRADBURY: Along with man’s return to the moon, my biggest hope is that L.A. will show the way for all of our cities to rebuild, because they’ve gone to hell and the crime rate has soared. When we can repopulate them, the crime rate will plunge.
PLAYBOY: What will help?
BRADBURY: We need enlightened corporations to do it; they’re the only ones who can. All the great malls have been built by corporate enterprises. We have to rebuild cities with the same conceptual flair that the great malls have. We can turn any bad section of town into a vibrant new community.
PLAYBOY: How do you convince corporate leaders and bureaucrats that you have the right approach?
BRADBURY: They listen because they know my track record. The center of downtown San Diego was nonexistent until a concept of mine, the Horton Plaza, was built right in the middle of bleakest skid row. Civilization returned to San Diego upon its completion. It became the center of a thriving community. And the Glendale Galleria, based on my concept, changed downtown Glendale when it was built nearly 25 years ago. So if I live another ten years—please, God!—I’ll be around to witness a lot of this in Los Angeles and inspire the same thing in big cities throughout the country.Replies: @Pop Warner, @Peter Akuleyev, @Reg Cæsar
All the great malls have been built by corporate enterprises. We have to rebuild cities with the same conceptual flair that the great malls have.
Well, that bit hasn’t aged well.
"He pressed his eye to the glass [watching the landing of a ship laden with poor people]": What glass? The glass of a window pane? The lens of a telescope? Is this a too-literal translation of a French idiom? The thought of eyeball and glass pressed against each other is creepy.
"fleshless Gandhi-arms": How can an arm be fleshless, even if its owner is just "skin and bones"? Gandhi's arms were never fleshless, at least while he was alive.
“The nations are rising from the four corners of the earth,” Raspail has the man say, “and their number is like the sand of the sea. . . .”: What number? The number of nations? There are fewer than a thousand nations in the world. Does the sea contain sand? Is the number of invaders ("a million") being compared with the number of grains of sand on all the beaches in the world?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charlesz Martel
In The Idiot Girl and the Flaming Tantrum of Death, Laurie Notaro’s husband suggests forming a band of four men, after they’ve been informed by a police letter that an ex-con who’d beaten three men unconscious in a brawl was about to move into their Phoenix neighborhood. She replies,
“You could use a guitar as a weapon, but which one of your friends with their pasty Grover arms would be strong enough to swing it?”
TD’s satire has gotten more subtle and he no longer needs to use the malapropisms and misspellings to make his point. The highest form of wit is when your audience doesn’t laugh until two minutes after you delivered the punchline.
All I see is crude schadenfreude because TD or whoever knows author JR was right and has been vindicated by time.
The evidence is manifest e.g Marseille in France now resembles North Africa.
PLAYBOY: Was your faith in law enforcement shaken because of Stacey Koon and Mark Fuhrman?
BRADBURY: We’ve become what I call a Kleenex society—I saw the public’s reaction as the symbolic chance to blow its collective nose on the whole police force of the United States, holding all cops responsible for incidents in Los Angeles. Of course I knew there was a problem in the LAPD. On the other hand, three of my daughters have been raped and robbed by black men, so I have a prejudice, too, don’t I? And if I ever were to find the bastards, I’d kill them. I’ve seen violence used by police, and I’ve seen it used against white people, too.
PLAYBOY: Did the Rodney King riots shock you?
BRADBURY: I was more than shocked—I was terribly upset, and terribly angry at Mayor Bradley. The friend I’ve known for ten years was the man who went on television half an hour after the trial was over and used terrible language to say he was outraged. Boom!—next thing you know, the mobs burned the streets. Thus far I haven’t had the guts to tell Tom Bradley, face-to-face, “you did it!”
PLAYBOY: Did you have any idea there was so much rage in Los Angeles’ black community?
BRADBURY: I don’t think anybody knew.
PLAYBOY: Did you feel any empathy for the rioters?
BRADBURY: None. Why should I? I don’t approve of any mob anywhere at any time. Had we not controlled it in L.A., all the big cities in this country would have gone up in flames.
PLAYBOY: If Los Angeles is an indicator for the nation, what is the future of other big cities?
BRADBURY: Along with man’s return to the moon, my biggest hope is that L.A. will show the way for all of our cities to rebuild, because they’ve gone to hell and the crime rate has soared. When we can repopulate them, the crime rate will plunge.
PLAYBOY: What will help?
BRADBURY: We need enlightened corporations to do it; they’re the only ones who can. All the great malls have been built by corporate enterprises. We have to rebuild cities with the same conceptual flair that the great malls have. We can turn any bad section of town into a vibrant new community.
PLAYBOY: How do you convince corporate leaders and bureaucrats that you have the right approach?
BRADBURY: They listen because they know my track record. The center of downtown San Diego was nonexistent until a concept of mine, the Horton Plaza, was built right in the middle of bleakest skid row. Civilization returned to San Diego upon its completion. It became the center of a thriving community. And the Glendale Galleria, based on my concept, changed downtown Glendale when it was built nearly 25 years ago. So if I live another ten years—please, God!—I’ll be around to witness a lot of this in Los Angeles and inspire the same thing in big cities throughout the country.Replies: @Pop Warner, @Peter Akuleyev, @Reg Cæsar
No “great malls” come to mind, other than the Quincy Market at Faneuil Hall, and a few others in similar places.
Well, at least Jean Raspail had the satisfaction of living a long life and being confirmed true in his major thesis and message to the world.
But I can’t help having one minor quibble. The scenario, as Raspail painted it, involved a self made autonomous movement from the third world into the west, not impeded because of the moral cowardice of the west. All true, of course, but I can’t help thinking that this is but a trivial part of the current catastrophe facing the west.
To my mind, in my observations, the endless exponential massive rising torrent of the third world to the west is *primarily* being driven by a different cause altogether. Yes, Raspail’s scenario *is* happening, and when it does happen it fills the screens, but really it is a mere sideshow. No, the real story is the corruption and venality of western elites, the Deep State, the Davos Crowd, the Soros funded – the Power People, in a phrase – the people who actually hold and wield power behind the Punch and Judy Show.
Put bluntly, the elites *WANT* and most strenuously desire the entire third world to pour into the west. No, it’s not cowardice that’s inhibiting them to stop it, they *WANT* it to happen. This is a very very important point to understand, please take the trouble to internalize it, and don’t, for Heaven’s sake, get sidetracked by facile explanations. It is *THIS* which is at the root of it all, all other explanations are bullshit.
Many people have trouble understanding the political elitist mind, many have the profoundly mistaken belief that politicians are some how ineffably ‘smart’ with some inscrutable plan behind the machinations and maneuverings. Bollocks. They are, in general, dumb, vain, conceited, stupid and terribly shallow.
Take it from me, all the care about is how much their god and master, The Economist magazine, rates them as ‘smart’.
*That* is the sum total of their character, ability and motivation.
Where did you read that about Raspail and Atwood?
As a novel I thought it was lousy, in that it had no real tension, it was obvious where the author’s sympathy lay and who the good guys were. It had two virtues, however. The first was its prescience. The second was the clear manner in which toward the end it posed an important question: Are you willing to murder innocent unarmed masses if they threaten your whole civilization? In any case, I honor this man’s life and work. Love of one’s country and one’s ways is so yesterday, isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1271804564430348289Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday
The English Premiere League starts up again this Friday, I believe. So…. the hooligans might get a bit distracted.
French literature, in general, and even in good translation, is not an easy read for American readers. I think, like Steve Sailer, you’ll find The Camp of the Saints rather a difficult read, but a valuable one for the civilizational insights it offers.
Do we even bother to put up a statue?
"French" Neocon intellectual (((Bernard Henri Levy))) claimed that the Gilet Jaune protesters are “White trash."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/frances-yellow-vests-take-a-left-turn/
(((George Soros))) pushed millions of refugees into Europe.
https://twitter.com/ManustheCaptain/status/1056586916630593536
Jewish migrant (((Barbara Lerner Spectre))) is helping to make Europe into a multiracial paradise. She says Jews will be at the center of transforming European demographics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45WthPTo24
Labor Labor (((Ed Miliband))) praising mass immigration into the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR20ICYUmgE
By the way, here's a short video showing how Israel deals with its African migrants. Watch from 1:05-3:30. It's very enlightening. You'll also see how Jews deal with fellow Jews who sympathy for non-white migrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IAReplies: @IHTG, @Stan d Mute, @Pericles
Defund Israel?
That guy is such an unsurpassed wit that I read him years ago and haven’t laughed yet.
https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1009934043566178304Replies: @Art Deco, @Charon
Ah yes. That FWP American hero who never saw a war he didn’t like, and pursued Chosen ideals first last and foremost on the masthead of the Washington Post for decades. Rot in Hell.
Bezos apparently hasn't gotten around to removing it from Amazon (yet).Replies: @Oswald Spengler
“The Camp of the Saints” must be a fairly rare work (at least in an English translation). The English paperback version of the book retails for $199.99, plus shipping on Amazon.
Public libraries are primarily homeless shelters and 80 million dollar tax sinks now. Holding important books is job 9 or 10.
We all have our opinions but don't let the naysayers stop you from reading Camp of the Saints, if you can find it. No I couldn't pay $199, myself.Replies: @RSDB
I got it out of the library 3 years back. I just checked on-line. It’s GONE. Maybe it’s the typical someone lost it, and the ordering of new books is not very sophisticated, or maybe more nefarious. There is one Jean Raspail book available, Who Will Remember the People, with no description at all.
Public libraries are primarily homeless shelters and 80 million dollar tax sinks now. Holding important books is job 9 or 10.
We all have our opinions but don’t let the naysayers stop you from reading Camp of the Saints, if you can find it. No I couldn’t pay $199, myself.
Let’s see… 1006 Greenwich Mean Time, right now it’s 1115 GMT. You very funny too!
But the grandchildren of that generation who could never be mistaken for Nazis are paying the price and their children will pay a heavier one. They got to live in a nice homogeneous country with a sense of belonging without ethnic dimensions to politics.
Stop feeling guilty about what your ancestors may or may have not done (Or in the cases of some ethnicities, what people of only the same general continental race as your ancestors) and what you yourself would never do. Start feeling guilty about what you're doing to future generations.
I hope the protestors do take down the statues of Lincoln, Churchill and all the others and like the Columbus statues that are now getting some political cover for being ethnic totems for Italian-Americans, I hope whites start to understand how those statues as ethnic totems are viewed by the protestors because it's how they view your self-determination and right to be left alone in your own homelands. As they call you a 'supremacist' for it.Replies: @Almost Missouri
This is a good observation, and suggests a good cure.
Guilt really is the Achilles Heel of the West. Because of Christianity? Maybe. But the cause doesn’t matter. Whatever its source, it is clearly a real thing, and it doesn’t look to be going away any time soon.
No living white person held slaves, and the overwhelming majority of their ancestors didn’t either. Whatever the claims against segregation and Jim Crow, those seem to be popular with people of all races today inasmuch as they keep re-enacting de facto what was abolished de jure. The notion that civilization was built by colored immigrants then stolen by whites is straight up false. And “systemic racism” and related myths are all just Three Card Monte-esque swindles.
Altogether there is no legitimate cause for the current psychosis of mass race guilt. Yet it persists. So if it can’t be stopped, can it be redirected? Better yet, can it be redirected to where it actually belongs? Yes it can.
With some noble exceptions, as the current and coming catastrophes were drawn up, those who were not directly complicit were distractedly giving away the store. Should it have been otherwise? Yeah, but that’s water under the bridge now. And the difference between “should have” and “is” we call guilt. Legitimate guilt.
Whenever there is a call for mass race guilt, recall that there is indeed a cause for guilt, but not the one the press baron keep forcing on you. Future generations will rightly curse you if you sacrifice them to purchase a little temporary safety. Whenever guilt tribute is demanded, recall that guilt is real and right … if you give in to the tribute demander. They are trying to rob you and your descendants. If you let them, you are guilty.
No, they don't. Some modest preferences over who you'd prefer to have as a neighbor can, after several iterations, induce a great deal of racial clustering. These in turn have implications for the sort of services provided to geographically delineated clientele. This is manifest in the composition of residential neighborhoods, and, by extension, schools. Not in other areas of life. Social organizations of one sort or another have monoracial or nearly monoracial memberships because the color line also delineates differences in taste and in social cues. See the difference between an AME service and a Byzantine-rite service. All of this is haphazard and (in and of itself) fairly benign. The problem has not been that blacks were clustered in one section of town, but that public services were permitted to rot in that section of town, and neither black politicians nor gentry liberals gave a rip. The black rank-and-file doesn't seem to react to much of anything other than minor events which they fancy are acts of effrontery.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous
How about proudly import Israel’s attitude?
As I’ve been saying since before I ever heard of The Camp of the Saints, it’s a confluence of four factors: (1) mass communication, which lets everyone else know how good we have it here in the First World – indeed, it exaggerates our wealth [as does Italian TV in the example given]; (2) mass transportation, which makes it easier to get from there to here; (3) improved birth control methods; and (4) the growth of the welfare state.
The last two combine synergistically to profoundly de-emphasis sex as means of procreation, as opposed to recreation. Now, sex is even more pleasurable without the nagging worry of pregnancy. And who needs children anyway? They’re expensive, and the moral duties of offspring toward their parents are gradually being assumed by government. Thus, (3) and (4) are depopulating the First World.
Several nations, notably Japan, have decided, in effect, to shrink into oblivion rather than take any steps to reverse the trend, or import a new population. The rest of us seem resigned to our fate.
Satire? Wit?
All I see is crude schadenfreude because TD or whoever knows author JR was right and has been vindicated by time.
The evidence is manifest e.g Marseille in France now resembles North Africa.
I’m reading now “The Alhambra A Novel” by Bruce Bawer (2017). In the novel, an American moves to Amsterdam and accidentally uncovers a terror plot, then gets caught up in international intrigue trying to uncover it’s secrets. Quite an interesting plot …………..
Eh, the guy was proven partially right only because the West bombed out the middle east and so many other places, that they couldn’t stop the refugees they created. Most everywhere else, they’d rather stay in their shithole and live their lives, because it’s all they know and can afford, and their middle class has been growing lately, giving them hope.
The next phase of growth is going to be online or online-driven services, whether developing the next Uber app or driving for it, and mass automation, all of which can be done anywhere now. So the next phase will be widely dispersed everywhere and the US will decline while pockets of development will spring up everywhere else.
The internet brings far more radical change than this guy could ever imagine.
The term 'bombed out' does not mean what you fancy it means. The injured portions of the Near East are so because of their own internecine squabbles, not due to the US Air Force.Replies: @Bumpkin
Guilt really is the Achilles Heel of the West. Because of Christianity? Maybe. But the cause doesn't matter. Whatever its source, it is clearly a real thing, and it doesn't look to be going away any time soon.
No living white person held slaves, and the overwhelming majority of their ancestors didn't either. Whatever the claims against segregation and Jim Crow, those seem to be popular with people of all races today inasmuch as they keep re-enacting de facto what was abolished de jure. The notion that civilization was built by colored immigrants then stolen by whites is straight up false. And "systemic racism" and related myths are all just Three Card Monte-esque swindles.
Altogether there is no legitimate cause for the current psychosis of mass race guilt. Yet it persists. So if it can't be stopped, can it be redirected? Better yet, can it be redirected to where it actually belongs? Yes it can.With some noble exceptions, as the current and coming catastrophes were drawn up, those who were not directly complicit were distractedly giving away the store. Should it have been otherwise? Yeah, but that's water under the bridge now. And the difference between "should have" and "is" we call guilt. Legitimate guilt.
Whenever there is a call for mass race guilt, recall that there is indeed a cause for guilt, but not the one the press baron keep forcing on you. Future generations will rightly curse you if you sacrifice them to purchase a little temporary safety. Whenever guilt tribute is demanded, recall that guilt is real and right ... if you give in to the tribute demander. They are trying to rob you and your descendants. If you let them, you are guilty.Replies: @Art Deco
Whatever the claims against segregation and Jim Crow, those seem to be popular with people of all races today inasmuch as they keep re-enacting de facto what was abolished de jure.
No, they don’t. Some modest preferences over who you’d prefer to have as a neighbor can, after several iterations, induce a great deal of racial clustering. These in turn have implications for the sort of services provided to geographically delineated clientele. This is manifest in the composition of residential neighborhoods, and, by extension, schools. Not in other areas of life. Social organizations of one sort or another have monoracial or nearly monoracial memberships because the color line also delineates differences in taste and in social cues. See the difference between an AME service and a Byzantine-rite service. All of this is haphazard and (in and of itself) fairly benign. The problem has not been that blacks were clustered in one section of town, but that public services were permitted to rot in that section of town, and neither black politicians nor gentry liberals gave a rip. The black rank-and-file doesn’t seem to react to much of anything other than minor events which they fancy are acts of effrontery.
Anyway, thanks.Replies: @Art Deco
democracy does not have a particularly impressive track record compared with dictatorship. Singapore, china, jordan are all better countries than african democracies for the most part.
It’s funny when you hear someone like Bernie Breadlines talk about “democratic socialism” as if combining mob rule with centralized planning will make centralized planning work better. Democracy has a mixed record compared with dictatorship, meanwhile capitalism has completely schlonged socialism to the point where you’d have to be mentally ill or evil to advocate for it.
The guy was so prescient that it is difficult to believe he didn't have access to a crystal ball or other black magic.Replies: @fnn
IIRC, Raspail was quoting/paraphrasing prominent persons of the time when he was writing his book. Elite attitudes haven’t changed much since the 1960s ((Or even before that) , it’s just that the opposition keep getting more spineless.
I have a dream that one day Camp of Saints will replace Night by Elie Wiesel on high school reading lists. RIP Mr. Raspail
No, they don't. Some modest preferences over who you'd prefer to have as a neighbor can, after several iterations, induce a great deal of racial clustering. These in turn have implications for the sort of services provided to geographically delineated clientele. This is manifest in the composition of residential neighborhoods, and, by extension, schools. Not in other areas of life. Social organizations of one sort or another have monoracial or nearly monoracial memberships because the color line also delineates differences in taste and in social cues. See the difference between an AME service and a Byzantine-rite service. All of this is haphazard and (in and of itself) fairly benign. The problem has not been that blacks were clustered in one section of town, but that public services were permitted to rot in that section of town, and neither black politicians nor gentry liberals gave a rip. The black rank-and-file doesn't seem to react to much of anything other than minor events which they fancy are acts of effrontery.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous
I would say “distinction without a difference”, but this looks more like “distinction that’s actually a confirmation”.
Anyway, thanks.
Journalist and novelist Charles Portis (True Grit) died in February. Donna Tartt (The Goldfinch) wrote an intimate and moving portrait of him in the NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/books/charles-portis-true-grit-dog-of-the-south-gringos-masters-of-atlantis.html
“All have enjoyed too large a share of the world’s wealth for too long, and their common fate is now at hand.”
Interestingly, these were some of the exact words that Kim Philby used in justifying why he went over to The Dark Side.
I gave it a couple of tries but never got very far. It’s a dull book.
I scanned the Kennedy/Connelly article and noted a reference to a previous Atlantic piece by Robert D. Kaplan about Africa. I recall reading that article–this was before The Atlantic got “woke”– and being struck about how utterly dysfunctional (to put it mildly) Africa was–truly a Hobbesian world on stilts! And that was nearly thirty years ago.
The next phase of growth is going to be online or online-driven services, whether developing the next Uber app or driving for it, and mass automation, all of which can be done anywhere now. So the next phase will be widely dispersed everywhere and the US will decline while pockets of development will spring up everywhere else.
The internet brings far more radical change than this guy could ever imagine.Replies: @Art Deco
the West bombed out the middle east
The term ‘bombed out’ does not mean what you fancy it means. The injured portions of the Near East are so because of their own internecine squabbles, not due to the US Air Force.
Possibly the worst crime one can commit in French letters is to bore the reader so I doubt we shall see Raspail interred in the Pantheon.
Anyway, thanks.Replies: @Art Deco
I can explain something to you. I cannot comprehend it for you.
I liked sections of it but the overall message seemed to be that there is no other option but to use ruthless violence to oppose mass immigration. Hence, no one wants to do anything about mass immigration if it means shooting women and children. Another problem was that the desperate immigrants got themselves to France by seizing a ship. This has almost never happened in reality. In almost all cases, it is greedy intermediaries who ferry refugees in exchange for money. Ruthlessly deal with these people smugglers and you’ve already dealt with half the refugee problem.
Ouch! I have the 1975 Scribner’s edition (hardcover), got at a Pasadena thrift store for $1 a few years ago. This is why I urge folk to scour junkshops for our cultural relics before they’ll be used for compost.
Raspail missed the real problem – hordes of blacks and muslims
The term 'bombed out' does not mean what you fancy it means. The injured portions of the Near East are so because of their own internecine squabbles, not due to the US Air Force.Replies: @Bumpkin
I presume you’re referring to some slang use of the term, but then that’s never determined what something “means.” Anyway, I don’t keep up with the kids’ jibidy jabber, this was my own creative license.
You could not be more wrong.
You could not be more bereft of an understanding of the sources of collective behavior.Replies: @but an humble craftsman
Yep.
I’m old enough to remember when The Atlantic Magazine (hard copy) wrote intelligent articles about real issues like Jean Respail’s “Camp of the Saints”.
This excellent article “Must it be the Rest against the West” was published in The Atlantic Magazine hard copy in when ~ 1992?
I loved The Atlantic Magazine – hard copy A REAL MAGAZINE
And then….
It became an online PC Lib Leftist, Zionist blog
I think the highest The Atlantic Magazine editor is some guy named “Goldberg” who served as an Israeli prison guard during “The Intafata”
Goldberg bonded with the Arab Palestinian rebels and used his connections to get the Arab POWs to come to the USA and become Liberal anti White, antifa Leftists.
What a guy.
But, the downside is the hard copy honest secular Liberal magazine The Atlantic Magazine died.
It’s now the same as the Huffington Post, or the New York Times, just with a bit more war mongering to bomb Syria, bomb Iran, restart the Cold War with the Russians because the Russians are supposedly RACISTS.
You know….
SOS
I bought dozens of Camp of the Saints hard copy books 25 years ago in hopes of “Awakening” the Western People….
Sigh.
Do you have some suggestions on where I can sell some of my copies for ~ $160 ?
Ebay. Maybe Alabris.
EBay works under the idea of being something called a Vickrey auction and allows vendors to post items at any starting or BIN price they please, and keep them there forever. Donzi Lancaster has waxed poetic on its virtues, but in the real world it just makes buyers upset and they eventually just say “Fuck eBay”.
I think COTS is available from a couple of white oriented book sellers, Ostara or National Allince, new, at a reasonable price.Replies: @Anonymous
Sigh.
Do you have some suggestions on where I can sell some of my copies for ~ $160 ?Replies: @anon, @Anonymous
Do you have some suggestions on where I can sell some of my copies for ~ $160 ?
Ebay. Maybe Alabris.
Sigh.
Do you have some suggestions on where I can sell some of my copies for ~ $160 ?Replies: @anon, @Anonymous
It’s common to see used book titles in three figures from dealers that if you put them on eBay yourself might bring ten dollars. The book dealers are catering to the occasional desperate or price insensitive buyer.
EBay works under the idea of being something called a Vickrey auction and allows vendors to post items at any starting or BIN price they please, and keep them there forever. Donzi Lancaster has waxed poetic on its virtues, but in the real world it just makes buyers upset and they eventually just say “Fuck eBay”.
I think COTS is available from a couple of white oriented book sellers, Ostara or National Allince, new, at a reasonable price.
An example: eBay recently decided to prohibit the sale of hand sanitiser because, from what I can gather, they were concerned about "price gouging." Well, if they were genuinely concerned about price gouging, they could just as easily have allowed sanitiser to be sold, then sat back and watched as the price dropped as more and more sellers decided to offer it.
(eBay, apparently, is under the impression that high prices last forever.)
In short, eBay is afflicted with that most dreaded of SJW ailments: virtue signaling. For a site that never tires of referring to itself as a "trading platform," it is not a good look.
You could not be more wrong.
You could not be more bereft of an understanding of the sources of collective behavior.
Maybe just accepting that St Winston destroyed his own country in order to destroy the country he hated is a first step.
Public libraries are primarily homeless shelters and 80 million dollar tax sinks now. Holding important books is job 9 or 10.
We all have our opinions but don't let the naysayers stop you from reading Camp of the Saints, if you can find it. No I couldn't pay $199, myself.Replies: @RSDB
My university library had a copy last time I checked, don’t remember whether it was in French or English.
About the Albanians invading Italy. Friend was in Italy that summer.
Albania gets Italian TV, which is very bosomy and glamorous. So the Albanians, mostly men, were shocked when they were greeted by non glamorous soberly dressed Italian women immigration officers and welfare resettlement workers.
They actually asked, where’s the gorgeous busty women we see on TV?
They then settled nicely into the criminal world and are a successful, entrepreneurial, immigrant success story.Replies: @Bill B.
Busty women then.
No-holds barred pornography now.
An underrated draw IMO.
His "book" is full of white fear and delusion. It is full on racist and should be banned from existence.
Anyone who finds it poignant has revealed themselves to be an intellectual coward, a racist, and mentally ill.
I take great solace in the fact that "europeans" will not look "white" in the very near future and this man will have been proven wrong.Replies: @mousey, @Some Guy, @HammerJack, @Anon
Sometimes we are told that White Genocide is just a “crazy conspiracy theory” that “isn’t happening”.
Other times we are told White Genocide is inevitable and that opposing it is “racist”.
"He pressed his eye to the glass [watching the landing of a ship laden with poor people]": What glass? The glass of a window pane? The lens of a telescope? Is this a too-literal translation of a French idiom? The thought of eyeball and glass pressed against each other is creepy.
"fleshless Gandhi-arms": How can an arm be fleshless, even if its owner is just "skin and bones"? Gandhi's arms were never fleshless, at least while he was alive.
“The nations are rising from the four corners of the earth,” Raspail has the man say, “and their number is like the sand of the sea. . . .”: What number? The number of nations? There are fewer than a thousand nations in the world. Does the sea contain sand? Is the number of invaders ("a million") being compared with the number of grains of sand on all the beaches in the world?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charlesz Martel
It’s a Britishism. A “glass” in nautical terms means a “spyglass”, or terrestrial telescope.
I have a few extra copies of Camp of the Saints. What’s the best way to sell them?
The average American is not resigned to his or her fate, but oblivious. The bread and circuses policy of the elites is working just fine.
There's a real danger that the sportsball distraction may be failing. Both the NBA and the NFL are wrangling over how to reopen games, MLB has a somewhat different set of problems.
What will the average middle aged white man do if in August he can't watch Negros playing sportsball on his televisor? What will he do?
Well, that bit hasn’t aged well.Replies: @BB753
Yeah, malls didn’t work as expected. Black lives matter because they ruin everybody else’s lives. We should be so grateful.
Britain was not destroyed in 1945 and Churchill did not generate the loss of physical plant.
From 1948 onward, per capita product exceeded pre-war levels. The net growth rate in per capita product over the period running from 1913 to 1953 was almost precisely the same as it had been over the period running from 1873 to 1913. War rationing ended in 1954. A succession of post-war ministries made policy errors whose effect was to retard British economic development vis a via the rest of Europe. That story ran on for 35 years; Churchill was in office for just 4 of those years.
https://twitter.com/DianeRMurray/status/1271799069170679808Replies: @anon, @Stan d Mute, @Olorin
I am deeply confused by how this magnificent, inspired, organically arising autonomous collective managed to fall captive to the Federal Reserve and its currency regime in under a week.
Originally they said they were separate from the US…but I guess it’s hard to get much done if you don’t use BlackRockBux.
I have reflected often about how these “boat people” are using globally organized logistical systems and maritime technologies to accomplish these mass movements.
I mean, they can’t even feed themselves, but they can manage to build and helm steel ships?
Why is there never any attention paid to that aspect of the matter?
Speaking of boatloads of Befuddled Masses, I was thinking of Pentti Linkola’s “lifeboat ethics” parable, especially around the time of his death in early April.
Interestingly, Chris Roberts at AmRen had pulled together Raspail and Linkola in December.
https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/12/camp-of-the-saints-eco-fascism-and-liberal-consternation/
The average American is not resigned to his or her fate, but oblivious. The bread and circuses policy of the elites is working just fine.
There’s a real danger that the sportsball distraction may be failing. Both the NBA and the NFL are wrangling over how to reopen games, MLB has a somewhat different set of problems.
What will the average middle aged white man do if in August he can’t watch Negros playing sportsball on his televisor? What will he do?
I’ve been told that there was a British TV play of Camp of the Saints but can find no mention of it .
Anybody know about this ?
EBay works under the idea of being something called a Vickrey auction and allows vendors to post items at any starting or BIN price they please, and keep them there forever. Donzi Lancaster has waxed poetic on its virtues, but in the real world it just makes buyers upset and they eventually just say “Fuck eBay”.
I think COTS is available from a couple of white oriented book sellers, Ostara or National Allince, new, at a reasonable price.Replies: @Anonymous
As a sometime buyer, I don’t find the auction format nearly as exasperating as eBay occasionally taking it upon itself to dictate what perfectly legal items can and cannot be sold.
An example: eBay recently decided to prohibit the sale of hand sanitiser because, from what I can gather, they were concerned about “price gouging.” Well, if they were genuinely concerned about price gouging, they could just as easily have allowed sanitiser to be sold, then sat back and watched as the price dropped as more and more sellers decided to offer it.
(eBay, apparently, is under the impression that high prices last forever.)
In short, eBay is afflicted with that most dreaded of SJW ailments: virtue signaling. For a site that never tires of referring to itself as a “trading platform,” it is not a good look.
No, they don't. Some modest preferences over who you'd prefer to have as a neighbor can, after several iterations, induce a great deal of racial clustering. These in turn have implications for the sort of services provided to geographically delineated clientele. This is manifest in the composition of residential neighborhoods, and, by extension, schools. Not in other areas of life. Social organizations of one sort or another have monoracial or nearly monoracial memberships because the color line also delineates differences in taste and in social cues. See the difference between an AME service and a Byzantine-rite service. All of this is haphazard and (in and of itself) fairly benign. The problem has not been that blacks were clustered in one section of town, but that public services were permitted to rot in that section of town, and neither black politicians nor gentry liberals gave a rip. The black rank-and-file doesn't seem to react to much of anything other than minor events which they fancy are acts of effrontery.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous
Nothing lasts long in ‘that section of town’ unless it’s bolted to the ground and made of cast iron.
What you do have in that section of town is a great many promiscuous hoodlums who need to be deterred and sequestered by force majeure. You also have incorrigible youths who make life hell for schoolteachers. Again, they need to be sequestered. There are some other things you can do which are more site-specific, like amendments to the content and enforcement regime of building codes in slums, removing property taxes in slum neighborhoods, and streamlined enforcement of rental agreements, so landlords can have the income stream to keep their property in passable repair.
You could not be more bereft of an understanding of the sources of collective behavior.Replies: @but an humble craftsman
divide et impera
And, please, stop inventing excuses for the West’s suicidal behaviour.
No sane man wants to live in Arabia, but by destroying Arabia, the West opens a gate that better remains shut.
And, no one put a gun to the heads of Sunni tribesmen in Iraq and told them to litter the county with IEDs and kill people en bloc at farmer's markets. And the responsibility for the political evolution of Syria over a period of nearly 60 years lies with their odious elite class, a subsection of was also implicated in the ruin of Lebanon over a period of 15 years.
The west isn’t destroying Arabia. The only part of Arabia that’s in distress is Yemen. Well, the south Arabian states have been host to five insurgencies in the last 60 odd years. No one did that to them. They did that to themselves.
And, no one put a gun to the heads of Sunni tribesmen in Iraq and told them to litter the county with IEDs and kill people en bloc at farmer’s markets. And the responsibility for the political evolution of Syria over a period of nearly 60 years lies with their odious elite class, a subsection of was also implicated in the ruin of Lebanon over a period of 15 years.
There is very little in that section of town which is bolted down or made of cast iron.
What you do have in that section of town is a great many promiscuous hoodlums who need to be deterred and sequestered by force majeure. You also have incorrigible youths who make life hell for schoolteachers. Again, they need to be sequestered. There are some other things you can do which are more site-specific, like amendments to the content and enforcement regime of building codes in slums, removing property taxes in slum neighborhoods, and streamlined enforcement of rental agreements, so landlords can have the income stream to keep their property in passable repair.