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Polymath Jared Diamond, author of Guns, Germs, and Steel, has a new book coming out: Upheaval: How Nations Cope with Crisis and Change. From The Guardian:

… Diamond suggests that the UK should remain within the EU but, as he puts it, “talk some sense into the immigration policy”.

One of the factors that Diamond cites as important in dealing with crises is a strong national identity. The book is a forceful if rather old-fashioned argument for the continuing importance of nationhood. “Nation states are here now and they are here for the foreseeable future.”

Nor is he much interested in the intersectional approach to politics, in which struggles are delineated along gender, ethnic and cultural lines. They don’t feature in a chapter on the future of the United States. And he is not sure they should feature in the next presidential election.

“The Democrats will not win by emphasising LGBTQ issues, and similarly the best thing for members of the LGBTQ groups would be a Democratic victory, and the best way to assure a Democratic victory will be to appeal to mainstream Americans and not strong-pedal the LGBTQ issues.”

He says his editor questioned this decision to avoid minority rights, but his rationale is that “while there’s still a lot to be done, the role of women and race issues have gotten better rather than worse. Whereas the issues that I discuss are the things that are still getting worse.”

And among these issues Diamond believes is the rise of mass migration. He argues that it is a growing problem for the developed world that is widely recognised by politicians but seldom admitted publicly.

“There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe,” he says. “The cruel reality is that it’s impossible for Europe to admit a billion Africans but Europeans will not acknowledge this conflict between ideals and reality.”

He concedes that this stance puts him on the same side of the argument as people such as the populist Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán. “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,” he says. “But because of the relative lack of honest discussion, the issue has gotten hijacked by the racists, just as in the United States.”

Diamond himself has been accused of racism, particularly by anthropologists, who have questioned his work with indigenous people in New Guinea, where he has conducted extensive field research. It is ironic because in Guns, Germs, and Steel Diamond explicitly sets out to refute racial readings of history, arguing that the reason Europe became globally dominant was to do with geographical advantages.

One anthropologist published an academic paper entitled F**k Jared Diamond, in which he accused the genteel American of disguised “racism” and “environmental determinism” which served to normalise colonialism. Why, I ask him, is he so resented? Diamond puts it down to his success and the popular style in which he writes. What about his politics? Although he refuses to be drawn on the subject, it is clear that he resides somewhere on the conservative wing of liberalism.

“I don’t think that’s the reason because the reality is that I’m a mixed bag. My views about immigration do not coincide at all with extreme liberal American views about immigration, but I would be praised by anthropologists for my views on the intelligence of New Guineans compared to the intelligence of Europeans.”

I pointed out back in 2005 that if you read Diamond’s book Collapse carefully, you’ll notice he’s an immigration heretic.

Here’s my 1997 book review in National Review of Diamond’s Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Personally, I’m a huge Jared Diamond fan. His 1991 collection of his magazine articles, The Third Chimpanzee, helped inspire me to follow his path in switching over from a sensible career to writing highbrow popular articles.

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  1. One anthropologist published an academic paper entitled F**k Jared Diamond

    At this point isn’t Anthropology basically a punch line even among ultra liberal academics. When sociologists think you’ve jumped the shark on wokeness, you’ve really got a problem.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  2. “racism” and “environmental determinism” which served to normalise colonialism

    So if the environment isn’t responsible for the differences between different ‘populations’ and genetic differences aren’t responsible either, what is the reason that Europeans were responsible for almost all of the world’s scientific achievements and dominated the entire world for centuries?
    Luck? Their inherent grasping wickedness? Divine favour?

  3. Moses says:

    “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe,” he says.

    Lol!

    Does Europe have magic dirt that makes people “better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety?”

    “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety if they could live among Whites instead of living among fellow Africans” he says.

    There, fixed it.

    As Steve often points out, there just aren’t enough Whites to meet demand for non-Whites to live among Whites.

    Another of my Steve faves:

    The only thing worse for a non-White than living in an America built by racist Whites is not being allowed to immigrate to an America built by racist Whites.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Anonymous
  4. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    He concedes that this stance puts him on the same side of the argument as people such as the populist Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán. “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,” he says. “But because of the relative lack of honest discussion, the issue has gotten hijacked by the racists, just as in the United States.”

    The logical follow up question would be to ask Diamond to list the vile versus sensible reasons to oppose mass immigration from Africa. For example, is Fraser Anning offering a sensible or vile reason to oppose Sudanese immigration here?

  5. Reality sucks, especially when it comes to immigration.

  6. Maciano says:

    I like this guy for having the balls to say it, but almost any apolitical uneducated construction worker could have told you the same.

    The pro-immigration/open border nuttiness is an elite thing.

  7. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curious Person

  8. George says:

    “talk some sense into the immigration policy”

    “Immigration policy grows out of the barrel of a gun” – Chairman Mao

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_gun

    An anti immigration policy must:
    1) Stop using the power of government to destroy African and Central American economies. I don’t actually know how to do that. But it is a precondition.
    2) At some point, the US will have to find people to use violence, police power, against immigrants to prevent them from crossing the border and even living in the US. This is an unpleasant task, and will not be pretty to watch. Most current US elites, including military, do not much like that kind of work, and don’t much like being around the kind of people who do that kind of work.

    The mass incarceration policies started in the 1980s show this is possible, but not pretty. In NY ‘downstate’ real estate, public employee, and police interests got together to basically deport Blacks and Hispanics below the age or 30 to upstate NY, to be brutalized. ‘Upstate’ real estate, public employee, and police interests got together to basically build jails.

    During this period the Upstate high tech economy basically collapsed, in part due to neglect. I can’t honestly say Upstate NY could ever compete with California, but somehow Switzerland still exists as an important high tech center even though it is not as nice as California. Comparing the Buffalo NY / Detroit MI economy to farther north, but somehow doing better, Ontario also indicates that the collapse of Upstate NY was not inevitable. My guess would be that subordinating GE, Xerox, Kodak, and IBM to real estate, public employee, and police interests is what set in motion the collapse of the high tech upstate NY (NJ and Eastern PA too) economy.

  9. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Europeans should take note. The statue burning wave that is gracing America may one day grace Europe as the descendants of African illegal aliens get envious of having to live amid things they didn’t create. Imagine all the great architectural wonders of Europe pulled down by Europeans indoctrinated to hate themselves. Bye Eiffel Tower; the guy who built you was rumored to have said something mildly humorous about some obscure ethnic group once. Bye Louvre; you’re the product of racist colonialism*. Bye Saint Peter’s Basilica; some catholic guy was involved in the slave trade …

    *Colonialism will be the great bogeyman they conjure to guilt native Europeans into giving up their land, count on it. It will be to Europe what slavery is to the US. In the future, sellouts will make endless movies playing up all the negative aspects, awards will be given, self-hating pontificators will reign on late night television.

  10. The Guardian writes that Jared Diamond is pro-nation-state and warns of Immigration from Africa? Big surprise. This is very good news – even though its nothing new. I agree with that, too. But real progress is slow as a snail (Günter Grass said that – and Willy Brandt confirmed it).

  11. Daniel H says:

    The cruel reality is that it’s impossible for Europe to admit a billion Africans

    Yeah, and the cruel reality of my life is that I could never have hoped to date Christie Brinkley.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. George says:

    “Diamond is a lively 81-year-old who wears an Amish-style beard without a moustache and speaks with an authoritative Bostonian drawl. It is not easy to envisage him as a figure of hate, but he expresses his ideas with a clarity that makes few concessions to academic popularity.”

    Don’t people know this guy writes serious scholarly books?

    “The only long-term solution is for you to do what is the only long-term solution for us in Latin America – namely, to do our best to improve conditions in Latin America and for you to do your best to improve conditions in Africa.”

    I am having trouble parsing this, he seems to imply ‘you’ live in the US while ‘us’, including him lives in S America. His bio says he divides his time between sunny LA and the even nicer South Pacific. To some extent, he advocates development programs over enforcement because he has to live down there and does not want to piss off the people responsible for his enviable equatorial nonmalarial lifestyle.

    Advocating against malaria seems like a no brainer, but I really don’t think malaria is chasing Africans to Europe. So it is not clear what effect malaria eradication will have on refugee flows.

    • Replies: @Curious Person
  13. Logan says:

    My views about immigration do not coincide at all with extreme liberal American views about immigration, but I would be praised by anthropologists for my views on the intelligence of New Guineans compared to the intelligence of Europeans.

    Average New Guinea IQ = 83. Slightly lower than black Americans.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

    Also, why would anthropologists be pleased when he claims New Guineans are smarter than Europeans? I thought anthropologists were scientists, not advocates. Isn’t this like physicists being thrilled by the strong nuclear force being stronger than the weak nuclear force?

  14. Daniel H says:

    “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,”

    What a bleepin’ coward. A positivist mindset would have to reason that if two come to similar conclusions then they started out with similar hypothesis and reasoned similarly. Screw him.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Anonymous
  15. Jaypo says:

    British jobs not rotting in the fields due to lack of immigrants says Government: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/21/british-people-have-filled-almost-new-jobs-uk-since-brexit-vote/

    Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall. The first paragraph states that businesses are adjusting to the lack of immigration. Who would have thought that was possible? Has anyone notified the Economist?

  16. @Anon

    Sweden is possibly the most cucked state in Europe and it had no colonies. So it’s not a necessary condition.

    • Replies: @Travis
  17. Ed says:

    Africa is looking at decades if not centuries of misery. I don’t think there are enough white women like this one recently killed in Nigeria to save them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/21/british-woman-faye-mooney-killed-kidnappers-nigeria

    The family of Faye Mooney, a 29-year-old British aid worker killed in Nigeria by kidnappers, have paid tribute to her bravery and belief in societal change that “took her to places others feared”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
    , @Anne Lid
  18. ““It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,” he says. “But because of the relative lack of honest discussion, the issue has gotten hijacked by the racists, just as in the United States.””

    Diamond seems confused as to who the racists actually are.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  19. @Logan

    Also, why would anthropologists be pleased when he claims New Guineans are smarter than Europeans?

    Because white people are bad

  20. Ed says:
    @Logan

    I doubt the veracity of the IQ numbers of New Guineans who are known to be extremely violent. Maybe the sample consists of the New Guineans that we’re more docile and less likely to slit the researchers’ throats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. @Dave Pinsen

    Victor Orban is smeared as – a bully, corrupt, anti-science, antisemite (not least because he dares to oppose George Soros’ pro-immigration activities).

    – Now – if Diamond says what he says about immigration, he too opposes Soros’ views on immigration – so – I could call Jared Diamond a xenophobic (for being anti-immigration) and an anti-semite (for opposing George Soros’ pro-immigration activities) – – with widely accepted reasons – and hardly any effort: Jared Diamond is a proven xenophobic (= RACIST – take that Jared!) anti-semite…

    That’s what he fears – this truly Don-Quichottian-Windmill-mechanism, really, and that’s what David Reich fears, and what Charles Murray fears, and what hit and affected Roger Scruton*** quite heavily, lately… Yep, we are not living in too comfortable times: There is a raging Storm over Biology (as well as over the questions of race, heritage, immigration…

    ***
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/19/human-stories-rebirth-redemption-vital-part-meaning-easter/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

    – –

    • Agree: Ic1000
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  22. @George

    It’s a stupid thing to say since devleopment actually increases migration (unless they reached European levels like Japan, but that is obviously impossible for African/Latin American countries).

    Many aid packages and trade deals for poor countries seek to reduce migration pressure from those countries. But the latest data and a half-century of research suggest that as typical poor countries grow, emigration pressure actually rises. Migration pressure only typically falls when they grow past upper-middle-income status. In poor countries, more development means more migration, not less.

    http://ftp.iza.org/dp8592.pdf

    It reminds me of when pious liberals would say that ‘education’ was the solution to terrorism (especially Muslim terrorism); even though terrorists (like 9/11 hijackers) tend to be well educated by the standards of their countries (in particular engineering students)

  23. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Writer • Researcher • Wits PhD Critical Diversity Studies Candidate • Poet • Thinker • Singer • Columnist: Johannesburg, South Africa

    “And now we can’t even get no more electricity, but we still have critical diversity studies”.

    I wonder whether he sleeps in a replica gaschamber to increase the feel of being oppressed.

  24. doylj says: • Website

    more africanization, no big deal. you shoul embrace it like an asp to your breast.

    its any “day now” you clonus maximus…

  25. @Anonymous

    Karma — now there’s an original Islamic concept!

  26. One anthropologist published an academic paper entitled F**k Jared Diamond

    That is so typical of our times. Everyone on their side wants to be a “badass”. We are blessed with so many nerds with potty-mouths, tats, piercings, coloured hair and all the right grievances. “Garbage people” is what one of them famously called her opponent. That’s what Freud meant by “projection”.

  27. @Curious Person

    For liberals, ‘education’ is code language for cultural-Marxist brainwashing, while for Moslems education means Mohammedan catechism. You can see the immense potential for misunderstanding right there!

  28. @MikeatMikedotMike

    You don’t have to be faster than the bear.

  29. Isn’t it neat how the most pressing issues of our time can barely be discussed, let alone tackled, let alone solved? The migration crisis can get so bad that it:
    – Pushes the UK to Brexit, brings in a wave of populist governments in Europe (I consider this a good thing but “our elite” universally doesn’t).
    – Helps get Trump elected, helps motivate massacres at mosques.
    – Allows for many more killings and rapes by the migrants themselves.

    …. and only now the Guardian is beginning to sully itself by entertaining the problematic ideas of a blue-ribbon pooh-bah like Jared Diamond?
    …. and American troops still die in Afghanistan.
    …. and the mother of all parliaments is proving the British are not yet ready for home rule.

    Our political decision making system is broken. Modern liberal democracy is broken. We need radical reform.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  30. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    diamond says black immigration has proved bad dont want more but cant say that so getting more
    diamond says too bad he and orban agree because orban evil talker
    ]actually orban no have black experience off no opinion blacks bad
    orban only say hungarians good and nation worth preserving

    so diamond how is it you good orban bad, you say blacks bad he say hungarians good explain

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Harry Baldwin
  31. @Daniel H

    No, no, no! Viktor Orban and Salvini in Italy should have waited until the brightest & best at the EU came up with a solution. Of course, the first step would have been a recognition that the migrant crisis was a problem, rather than a solution. In any case, people who won’t let the self-styled technocrats work uninterrupted are “vile”.

  32. Ic1000 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    > “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons.”

    Not the quote I expect to read from a polymath. Unless he’s focusing on his career prospects.

  33. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    A weird Jared Diamond documentary series is being broadcast in Japan. He’s quite elderly. The format has him lecturing in an outdoor location to a bunch of admiring undergraduates. There’s kind of a weird vibe to it that reminds me of those bizarre Joseph Campbell shows in the 1970s where Campbell explained mythology to young hippie chicks in a Big Sur hot tub.

    Now that I think about it, I see a parallel between Campbell and Jordan Peterson and his Jungian stuff.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Ray P
  34. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry, but no one has *ever* succeeded in ‘talking sense’ to the EU.
    It’s a fool’s errand, a sheer impossibility.

    The ongoing absurdity of the Euro currency amply demonstrates that.

    • Agree: jim jones
  35. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    Tell that to The Economist.

    Hat Tip:

    The people of 1920 would have thought the UK’s present demographics ‘impossible’.

  36. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Logan

    Well, considering current EU immigration policy, Jared Diamond has, surely, got a point.

  37. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    I’ve always wondered ‘just who is the more aggressive and violent?’ ‘African Americans or New Guineans?’

    When the Caplan crowd finally establish mass Papuan immigration into the USA, and the Papuans inevitably gravitate to the inner cities, I just wonder who will win the inevitable turf wars?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @al anon
  38. @Anon

    Bookish guys quite wisely realize they could use a little eye candy to help their medicine go down. This French music video does it best:

    Bertrand Burgalat wants you to see him as a 1980s technocrat who is hated by four beautiful women. Cool. Maybe Jared Diamond cold rip off this concept?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  39. istevefan says:

    “The cruel reality is that it’s impossible for Europe to admit a billion Africans but Europeans will not acknowledge this conflict between ideals and reality.”

    This is totally the wrong way to frame this issue. It puts into the reader’s head the rather enormous number of one billion. As if anything less than that is doable. Of course we are not told what the actual ceiling is, but one billion is now stuck in our heads.

    Anyone who has immersed themselves in immigration issues knows that one billion is not even a credible number. Because Europe and the USA would collapse well before that number were ever reached. But to those who don’t know this issue, one billion puts a ridiculously high ceiling on something that poses an existential threat to their civilization.

    As Steve has pointed out, it only took 6 million blacks emigrating from the Southern states to the industrial Northern cities to totally transform many of our most important cities and cause massive White flight, crime and poverty. So any opening discussion on immigration to Europe should keep this in mind.

    Therefore, it is not 1 billion Africans that Europe cannot admit. They couldn’t even admit 10 million, which is just 1 percent of Diamond’s figure, without drastically transforming their major cities. Of course they already admitted that number and more if you include all non-Europeans they’ve taken. And you can see how many of their cities have now been drastically altered as a result, causing White flight and other similarities to the USA.

    Throwing around one billion to imply a sort of ceiling is about as disingenuous as those who tell us not to worry about a certain immigrant population because they are ONLY 1 or 2 percent of the population. We all know that it doesn’t require a group becoming 50% to materially affect things. Experience shows that a group can adversely affect society even at levels below 5%. See the Fraser Anning tweet in Dave Pinsen’s comment above.

    Likewise, we all know it’s not a billion Africans that should cause concern. It’s about 2 orders of magnitude less than that. Truth be told it should be 3 orders less, or even zero.

  40. @Steve Sailer

    Exactly. This is the sort of ’80s that needs reviving, not the horrible magenta & turquoise stuff the vaporwave crowd recently resurrected.

  41. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Curious Person

    So if the environment isn’t responsible for the differences between different ‘populations’ and genetic differences aren’t responsible either, what is the reason that Europeans were responsible for almost all of the world’s scientific achievements and dominated the entire world for centuries?

    Standard answer from the “social science intellectuals” would be something like this:

    “There is no truth that Europeans are responsible for these discoveries as they stole these ideas from the less fortunate of the planet, while stealing all their wealth.”

    Ask Tiny Duck or Corvinus if you want further answers to this discrepancy.

    • Agree: jim jones
  42. Mr. Anon says:

    I pointed out back in 2005 that if you read Diamond’s book Collapse carefully, you’ll notice he’s an immigration heretic.

    Ah, but he’s an immigration heretic for noble reasons whereas vile people like Viktor Orban (and presumbably a lot of people here, our host included) are immigration heretics for vile reasons. Seeking to preserve your own nation, as your own nation, because it is your own nation, is vile. Seeking to preserve it so that the LGBTQ agenda can be better served is noble. At least that’s what I gleaned from that excerpt above.

    • LOL: bomag
  43. Diamond’s hardly a polymath (except in the American sense, where anyone who can walk and chew gum is a ‘polymath’… and if they keep breathing they’re a fucking genius).

    He writes OK, but he’s about as polymath-y as Malcolm Gladwell (who is famous in the US, but elsewhere is mistaken for some fuckwit about to enter an Art Garfunkel lookalike contest).

    Then again, Yanks think Christopher Hitchens (Balliol Third) was, and John Oliver (Nothing) is, clever – I guess the bar is set pretty low.

    The last Yank intellectual who could stand his ground outside the US was probably Gore Vidal.

    (By “intellectual” I mean “person who makes their living publishing their thoughts on shit”, as opposed to specialists like Feynman etc – America’s specialists are as good as any and better than most).

  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Then they stole our indigenous knowledge and resources to build Europe.

    And as we all know, knowledge is like a gold coin. If you take it from me, I no longer have it. If people X take from people Y the secret of indoor plumbing, then people Y become incapable of building indoor plumbing ever again.

    Moreover the very timbers and stones of the cathedrals of Europe were stolen from forests and quarries in Mesopotamia and Africa. They were transported all that great distance, because that’s what made economic sense.

  45. Has Diamond apologized yet?

  46. Diamond seems to oppose “both sides” on the immigration issue. He opposes the liberal view of complete freedom of movement, but also opposes any type of organized opposition to that in a much stronger fashion.

  47. Travis says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    New Sweden was a Swedish colony along the lower reaches of the Delaware River, established in the 1630’s , in present day Pennsylvania and Delaware. My ancestors were Swedish and Finnish colonists who founded the city of Upland, renamed Chester by William Penn. One of my Swedish/Finnish ancestors, John Morton, was the mayor of Chester Pennsylvania in 1776 and a signer of the Declaration of Independence. He was the first signer of the Declaration of Independence to die and was buried in the Old Swedish Burial Ground in the city of Chester.

    The Swedish South Company was founded in 1626 with a mandate to establish colonies for the purposes of trade, particularly along the Delaware River. The first expedition sailed into Delaware Bay aboard the Fogel Grip and Kalmar Nyckel in. They anchored on March 1838, at a rocky point on the Minquas Kill that is known today as Swedes’ Landing. They built a fort in Wilmington which they named Fort Christina after Queen Christina. In the following years, the area was settled by 600 Swedes and Finns. New Sweden officially came to an end when its land was included in William Penn’s charter for Pennsylvania on August 1682. Upland ceased to exist as the result of the reorganization of the Colony of Pennsylvania, with the Upland government becoming the government of Chester County, Pennsylvania.

  48. @Logan

    Diamond’s preferred intelligence test is the Diamond Progressive Matrices, which clearly demonstrates that New Guineans are smarter than Europeans because they’re more skilled at surviving in the rainforests of New Guinea.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @anon
  49. Okay yeah let me know when they get it to the 3000 mile mark off the coast of Africa heading to the United States.

    In my view the following is more of an issue than the possibility that African migrants are going to be coming across the ocean in rafts or cruise ships for that matter to the United States.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/46252/officials-mexican-troops-disarmed-american-james-barrett

    Good grief

    • Replies: @bomag
  50. “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe, he [Diamond] says. The cruel reality is …”

    There are about 741 million Europeans in Europe and all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety if zero Africans were allowed to crawl out of their African cesspits and infest Europe. The cruel reality is Europeans have been betrayed by their political and cultural elites.

    The problem with most eggheads is they lack moral clarity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Inquiring Mind
  51. @Dave Pinsen

    He’s just another Charles Murray. Murray’s virtue signalling was to disparage the likes of Pete Brimelow et al. His Vile Reason for doing it was to continue to benefit, financially and otherwise, from his Establishment connections. Well, it didn’t work. The SJW’s eventually came for him.
    Diamond’s Vile Reason for denigrating Orban is so he can continue to promote his less than honest works about human history in the MSM. I hope he gets the same treatment.
    Old cucks will only change, if at all, once they realise there is no hiding place.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  52. @Travis

    So that explains the Kate Smith crisis. Malmo on the Schuylkill. Every. Time.

  53. Travis says:
    @istevefan

    excellent point…in fact it took just 350,000 Africans imported as Slaves to create the America of 1800 which had 1 million Blacks. The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves was passed in 1807 , the federal law banned the importation of slaves. Despite no Black immigration after 1807 , the Black population in America reached 3.6 million by 1850 , 8.8 million by 1900 , 15 million by 1950 and 36 million by the year 2000.

    There are an estimated 15 million Black people living in the European Union. Out of a total population of 508 million people, this makes Black Europeans one of the continent’s largest minority groups. There were one million asylum applicants from sub-Saharan Africa in Europe between 2010 and 2017, according to a data from Eurostat.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  54. Whiskey says: • Website

    At this point there is no stopping Europe turning into Africa. Elites want it and have all the power. Macron, Merkel, May?

    They will never leave.

    There is no military any more. And the police are well paid.

    The FBI just arrested militia men for detaining illegals for the border patrol.

    There is not even the possibility of victory. Survival is another thing and possible.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  55. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    What a bleepin’ coward. A positivist mindset would have to reason that if two come to similar conclusions then they started out with similar hypothesis and reasoned similarly. Screw him.

    Couldn’t two people reach the same conclusion from different premises?

    What is a “positivist mindset”?

  56. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Africa is looking at decades if not centuries of misery.

    What is your basis for that belief?

  57. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curious Person

    But the latest data and a half-century of research suggest that as typical poor countries grow, emigration pressure actually rises.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @216
  58. Alfa158 says:
    @Curious Person

    I think Jared Diamond already explained that.

    Europeans are responsible for most of the world’s scientific achievements because they are inferior in intelligence to the people of New Guinea.
    The reason Europeans are inferior is because they developed in Europe, a more favorable environment which is a tropical paradise with abundant rain, foliage and abundant food sources, unlike New Guinea which suffers from long winters, blizzards, freezing temperatures and short growing seasons.
    The harsh New Guinean environment favored evolution for higher intelligence and low time preference, but that wasn’t enough to overcome the environmental obstacles to developing civilization.
    The Europeans did not suffer from these challenges so they were not selected for higher intelligence, but, their environmental White privilege allowed them to develop higher civilization anyway.

    Yes I know, that didn’t make any more sense to me than it did to you, but hey, none of us are Jared Diamond, now are we?

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
  59. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    But the current political orthodoxy – as held by the Davos/Economist Deep State which is basically pulling all the strings behind the politicians’ puppet show – is that the unlimited untrammelled en masse removal of the third world’s teeming billions to the ‘nations of the west’ is *the best thing ever* economy wise.

    Sorry to belabor the point, but that is the reality in which we live.

  60. bomag says:
    @Moses

    Jared Diamond always struck me as one attempting to walk the line between honesty and political correctness.

    He reminds us here in his elliptical way that a sizable chunk of life in the West consists of avoiding Africans; or living behind a filter that screens out the worst elements; while not openly saying so.

  61. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    The New Guineans seem to be have a more disciplined and organized approach to violence.
    There was a “Steve Sailerian” article in the WSJ years ago about a resort development in New Guinea that brought together two of his favorite subjects. The locals loved the golf course because the fairways made open, smooth battlefields as opposed to the forests for their chronic tribal wars. They were very disciplined however and didn’t want to ruin a good thing, so apparently when golfers were playing that hole, the two sides would disengage, pull back off the fairway and let them play through before going back at it.
    Where they would be at a disadvantage against African-Americans as that these battles are primarily for social purposes, and employ the light weapons made for hunting small game, therefore the number of fatalities were relatively small. These aren’t Greek phalanxes going at each other with 15 foot bronze spears and swords. African-Americans even holding their pistols sideways are likely to do a lot of damage.

  62. @Curious Person

    Maybe, it was the stay-at-home mothers who got more and more education in the Western world over the centuries, leading to more refined societies through inculcating pro-education values in their children, but whose ordered households enabled the men to work hard, productively and creatively, compartmentalizing work and home life to the benefit of work and progress.

    Knowing their household was taken care of by a spouse, the men could focus on work, rather than social identity and creating a family-friendly, absenteeism-friendly, diverse workplace of 98% family-focused parents. A few women with and without children made the sacrifices to ascend to the top of the professions by focusing on the work in and of itself, apart from their personal lives. Average women without spousal income or children worked for survival.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. MarkU says:
    @Anonymous

    Europeans came here and burnt our books, artworks, libraries, universities… everything. Then they stole our indigenous knowledge and resources to build Europe.

    If the current trends continue, that is what will be written in the history books of the future.

  64. Diamond suggests that the UK should remain within the EU but, as he puts it, “talk some sense into the immigration policy”.

    Yes, and we should have joined the USSR and talked some sense into their economic policy. The guy is on a different planet.

    The idea is even more laughable because British politicians do not actually want to promote a sensible immigration policy. There is a huge gulf between the public and the political classes.

    “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe,” he says.

    Africans are safer if they don’t live among other Africans. In fact, they’re better off in every way if they don’t live among other Africans. And so are we.

    “The cruel reality is that it’s impossible for Europe to admit a billion Africans but Europeans will not acknowledge this conflict between ideals and reality.”

    For Africans, the advantages of emigration vanish if the people you are fleeing make the same journey.

    For Europeans, a large majority are perfectly aware of the “conflict between ideals and reality” and know how to resolve it: it is only politicians and the media who are still in denial.

    He concedes that this stance puts him on the same side of the argument as people such as the populist Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán. “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,” he says.

    He has belatedly come to the same conclusion as Orbán, but for quite different reasons, you understand.

    Diamond is a lively 81-year-old who … speaks with an authoritative Bostonian drawl.

    To Guardian journalists, the Bostonian drawl is far more authoritative than that of Tennessee. Not that Guardian journalists are prejudiced, of course.

  65. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Because they can afford plane tickets.

  66. I thought Diamond did a good job with his presentation of the conflict between the Aztecs and the Spaniards led by Hernán Cortés de Monroy y Pizarro Altamirano, Marquis of the Valley of Oaxaca.
    Diamond’s treatment really shows how the invaders were quite literally from another world.

  67. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html?em_pos=medium&emc=edit_up_20190422&nl=upshot&nl_art=6&nlid=58766348emc%3Dedit_up_20190422&ref=headline&te=1

    The Trump administration’s first year of immigration policy has relied on claims that immigrants bring crime into America. President Trump’s latest target is sanctuary cities.

    “Every day, sanctuary cities release illegal immigrants, drug dealers, traffickers, gang members back into our communities,” he said last week. “They’re safe havens for just some terrible people.”

    As of 2017, according to Gallup polls, almost half of Americans agreed that immigrants make crime worse. But is it true that immigration drives crime? Many studies have shown that it does not.

    Immigrant populations in the United States have been growing fast for decades now. Crime in the same period, however, has moved in the opposite direction, with the national rate of violent crime today well below what it was in 1980.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  68. Ray P says:
    @Anon

    Joseph Campbell had groupies? The seventies were so much cooler than now. Jordan Peterson gets hissed and spat on by purple-haired dykes.

  69. @istevefan

    Only 400,000 African slaves were imported to America in the first place.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it for a minute.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  70. @Alfa158

    Europeans are responsible for most of the world’s scientific achievements because they are inferior in intelligence to the people of New Guinea.

    Jared Diamond did say this. This is ridiculous and should be exploited for comedy.

  71. 216 says:
    @Anonymous

    Imagine a villager in a remote area, only dirt roads and no utilities. To leave the country they have to get to a big city, which requires more savings. So even if they reach a big city, they might just stay there.

    Now imagine someone living in a city, with enough income to buy a plane ticket and illegally overstay a travel visa.

    Migration also tends to feed on itself, known as chain migration.

    Third world economies tend to be rather inconsistent in economic growth, high one year, nothing the next year or even a recession. To a rural villager working as a subsistence farmer, this is less of a worry than the weather affecting crops. To an urban wage earner this is significant.

    The overcrowding issue is also important, more prosperity means more urbanization. The UK hundreds of years after the start of colonialism still has a significant rate of emigration.

  72. Sean says:

    Opposition to non European immigration did exist but the governments considered it illegitimate and they wore down and broke it, people were simply too intimidated by the time Blair came in to protest at the transformation he wrought. But they (the Conservatives are basically a capitalist conspiracy) made the mistake of thinking that as resistance to e immigration of Africans and Asians was simply racist, there could be no such problem with East Europeans. Maybe so, but there was a different, rather more prosaic consideration with EU immigration that was apparent almost immediately, especially north of Watford.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/feb/02/peter-mandelson-foreign-workers-strike

    Police and demonstrators outside Lindsey oil refinery last week. Photograph: John Giles/PA
    Peter Mandelson today robustly defended the EU rules at the centre of the foreign workers dispute, insisting that 300,000 British firms working in the European depended upon them. In an emergency statement on the unofficial strike action….

    That was the Labour Party government. There are now three million of these Poles ect and none of them are going to end up leaving our land. The immigration of Africans will continue, but not millions at a time; relatively slow but sure. There is no stopping it now. The unpleasant truth is due to Farewell to Alms type selection people are content as a pawn in someone else’s power game, rather than concerning themselves who will inhabit their country a few generations hence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sudanese born migrants are 57 times more likely to commit aggravated robbery in Victoria, Australia.

    stop noticing, racist

  74. Sean says:

    In traditional society in New Guinea it had been observed that 15 % of men die by capital punishment. Lynched by their own tribe basically.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  75. @Travis

    And look at Chester today! And the Old Swedes Church in Wilmington.

  76. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    is that you, kimosabe?

  77. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    The family of Faye Mooney, a 29-year-old British aid worker killed in Nigeria by kidnappers, have paid tribute to her bravery and belief in societal change that “took her to places others feared”.

    she wasn’t a fool, she was “courageous”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  78. @Dave Pinsen

    He concedes that this stance puts him on the same side of the argument as people such as the populist Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán. “It’s unfortunate that people can come to a common conclusion for sensible reasons and for vile reasons,” he says. “But because of the relative lack of honest discussion, the issue has gotten hijacked by the racists, just as in the United States.”

    That annoyingly pompous quote struck me too, Dave.

    Immigration hasn’t been “hijacked” by “racists”, it’s contentious entirely because of incredbile leftist lunacy–heavily propagated and propagandized by his fellow Jews.

    Not wanting to have your nation innudated is not a “vile” reason. It’s normal human behavior and the default position of 99.9% of people.

    At root, the immigration cheerleading is motivated by either:
    — people who want their people be able to come into someone else’s nation and take their stuff (i.e. greed)
    or
    — people who enjoy watching other people come into someone else’s nation and take those people’s stuff
    (i.e. hate)

    In contrast, wanting to just keep your nation and stuff intact and pass it on to your children is not just normal human behavior, but the virtuous concern for the future upon which civilization is based.

  79. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    Knowing their household was taken care of by a spouse, the men could focus on work, rather than social identity and creating a family-friendly, absenteeism-friendly, diverse workplace of 98% family-focused parents.

    What does social identity have to do with any of this?

  80. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curious Person

    “racism” and “environmental determinism” which served to normalise colonialism

    Well, it seems like PC is normalizing the colonization of the West by the Third World. And globo-homo is normalization US cultural imperialism. And Zionism normalized Nakba and Wars for Israel. Communism as messianic movement also normalized imperialism.

    Just about anything — spreading ‘liberal democracy’ for example — can normalize aggression and conquest.

  81. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @IQ Realist

    The Trump administration’s first year of immigration policy has relied on claims that immigrants bring crime into America. President Trump’s latest target is sanctuary cities.

    What is your point?

  82. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    Lol!

    Does Europe have magic dirt that makes people “better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety?”

    Europe will become South Africa where things are bad for blacks and whites.

    Blacks in white lands are good for blacks and tolerable for whites only if blacks remain a small minority. But the black invasion threatens to turn Europe into a bigger South Africa.

  83. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    If you save hyenas from other hyenas, the hyenas you saved are also hyenas.

    They will do to you what other hyenas did to them.

  84. Anonymous[822] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Looks like Western PC totally colonized his mind.

    Globo-homo is the new justification of Western aggression, and he’s onboard.

  85. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    No.

    They won’t come that way.

    The following scenarios are more likely;

    A f*ckwit president just like George W. Bush thinks he’s being ‘smart’ by offering up ‘American job vacancies to the entire world – Dubya, if you remember was planning to do just that. The next time it happens – and it *will* happen, you might not dodge that particular bullet.

    Like the subcons, Africans start scamming H1b visas – and chain migration will do its exponential magic.

    Canada will continue with its immigration f*ckery, and countless Africans will use Canada as ‘first base’ to get to the USA.

    Permanent Democrat rule – inevitable due to demographics – will shift the USA to the hard left, politically speaking, with concomitant ‘open borders’ immigration.

  86. “It is ironic because in Guns, Germs, and Steel Diamond explicitly sets out to refute racial readings of history, arguing that the reason Europe became globally dominant was to do with geographical advantages.”

    I think that it can be both racial readings of history and geographical advantages. I don’t think it has to be exclusively one or the other.

  87. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Blair’s Labour Party really was the *Cheap* Labour Party.

  88. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    One would have thought that over ‘evolutionary time’ this would have selected for ‘conscientiousness’ in the New Guinean population – combined with a certain intolerance. In another world, this might be a recipe for ‘success’, if indeed malefactors – however defined in Papuan terms – were those being ‘lynched’.

    • Replies: @Sean
  89. J.Ross says: • Website

    Fundraising idea: the Russian imperial standard had a two headed eagle (or “double eagle”) to reference Byzantium, the Second Rome, with Russia being the Third Rome. But if Russia is third, why not have a three-headed eagle? And as long as you’re doing a three-headed flying creature, why not use King Ghidorah?
    As far as I can tell no one else has done this yet.
    King Ghidorah is the ideal symbol of Modern Russia. Both critics and fans would dig it. Flags, t-shirts, and patches.

  90. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    Diamond seems to oppose “both sides” on the immigration issue. He opposes the liberal view of complete freedom of movement, but also opposes any type of organized opposition to that in a much stronger fashion.

    because my ancestors couldn’t and didn’t build shyte, i’ve got the right to move and help myself to what you and your ancestors built

  91. Michael S says:

    Poor Jared doesn’t seem to realize that “the role of women” is directly connected to the immigration issue. One can’t get “better” (according to his definition) without the other getting worse.

  92. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Dieter Kief

    There is a raging Storm over Biology (as well as over the questions of race, heritage, immigration…

    There is a raging storm for sure. And the good thinkers should be afraid, for their world rests on the fragile firmament of egalitarianism, devoid of reason or scientific merit.

    All the king’s horses and all the King’s men cannot quiet this storm.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @lavoisier
  93. @SunBakedSuburb

    There are 714 million Europeans in Europe who would be better off economically in the U.S..

    I am especially concerned about those Norwegians.

  94. @lavoisier

    There is a raging storm for sure. And the good thinkers should be afraid, for their world rests on the fragile firmament of egalitarianism, devoid of reason or scientific merit.

    All the king’s horses and all the King’s men cannot quiet this storm.

    Bernard D. Davis was the first to notice (and name) this Storm Over Biology – in his 1986 collection of critical essays – not least about Stephen Jay Goulds bad and irresponsible understanding of science, as far as race is concerned!

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/storm-over-biology-by-bernard-d-davis/

  95. @Massimo Heitor

    So he’s an establishment Republican.

  96. @Travis

    In the following years, the area was settled by 600 Swedes and Finns.

    Imagine what that was like for the Swedes: having the Indians outside the stockade and the Finns inside it. It must have driven them mad.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  97. bomag says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Good grief

    x2

    We used to fight wars to defend our border.

    Now we just give up.

  98. I’m still looking for enough data to prove or disprove the following hypotheses:
    1) The wealth of a nation is its average IQ
    2) The progress a nation makes is through innovations by its high IQ segment if allowed to do so by its average IQ. In other words, Einstein would have accomplished nothing in the Central African Republic of Ebola.
    3) Some populations have greater potential than others. For example, the most the population of Retardiqua can achieve if it immigrates from its native (IQ=70) land to US of Opportunity is to advance to 75, but if the population of the former Soviet Republic of Oppressky (IQ = 85) immigrates, then the average IQ increases to 100, due to nutrition and other measures of living standard.

    If true, then these, together, would strongly suggest that limiting immigration based on a nation’s average IQ and/or the average IQ of descendants of those nations might be a good idea if we want to form our population in such a way as to be adaptable to the after effects of overshoot.

    I, for one, and I’m probably the only one, favor expulsion policies based on low IQ and evidence of sociopathic behavior. Like walking down the middle of the road or throwing random white kids off the balcony. Maybe even staging fake race-hate hoaxes. Stuff like that.

    OT rant: Curious that the prosecutors in LA are going to try to put Aunt Becky into jail for trying to buy her children a pathway to educational/IQ status, but the prosecutors in Chicago are tolerant of JS’s attempt to buy his way into violent victimhood. It is almost as if victimhood is a desireable trait, but education and IQ are not. Or maybe, Aunt Becky is to be punished for noticing that IQ and education are good things.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  99. Well, Steve, my pockets are rabbit ears at the moment, but I did contribute to your growing fame and influence today with a motion I filed this morning in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri, Kansas City.

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-04-20-repy_sggestions_opposing_prelim_injunction.pdf

    Background: In a motion I made seeking a preliminary injunction freezing the SPLC’s assets, I included an argument I found here that one of your readers had made. His argument seemed well-grounded and convincing and so I included it and, of course, correctly cited the source.

    If I had ever attended law school, I’d have known that this would trigger a pointum et sputterus defense and would have steered clear.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  100. Ibound1 says:
    @istevefan

    One billion is cover against being called a racist. Why the EU couldn’t handle one billion Danes either now could it? See? . It’s the only way you can bring the issue up without immediately being burned at the stake. You can hide under the number.

  101. @Steve Sailer

    Rather amusingly, he died at the top of the Eiffel Tower of a massive heart attack. That’s one high you don’t want. For the record, he was a chain smoker and heavy drinker, and God knows what else.
    He died in 2003, FGS. So he’s been dead long than Mr Steve or myself thought. He will always look a neat 50 year old, as both myself and Mr S would want us to be.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  102. lavoisier says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    Thanks for the source material.

    I think the use of the word storm is very appropriate.

  103. J.Ross says: • Website

    About two weeks ago a German Eurocrat spoke very dishonestly and insultingly about Brexiters on BBC world service radio; what was significant about this interview however was that, between the Germanic arrogances, he freely conceded points about immigration policy which in 2015 would have been unquestionable faith articles. It was mostly: “Well of course the British should have some say in how many people they get.”

  104. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Nazi chimps

    Pervert bonobos

  105. angmojo says:

    How are books like this permitted to bypass approval by the Central Committee?

  106. @James Braxton

    Good point , Europe has had more African immigration over the last decade than America had from 1600 to 2000

  107. @anon

    Is this the BBC pidgin version?

  108. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I’ve never considered heart attacks amusing in the least.

    And that second line is plain dumb. How often have you heard of Monroe, “She’s 36, forever”? No she isn’t. She’s dead and she died too damn young. As did Mr. Palmer.

  109. @Massimo Heitor

    There’s a lot of this “I think this, but don’t lump me in with those guys” posturing going around. An example would be Douglas Murray, who writes brilliantly about the problem of Muslim immigration to the West, but deplored Trump and his Muslim ban proposal. Or Peter Hitchens, who deplores what immigration has done to his country, but denounces Enoch Powell for pointing it out before it was too late to do something about. Or Steven Pinker, who said the alt-right raises a lot of points the Progressives have no honest answer for so they repress disagreement instead, but they’re still correct on the issues.

    • Replies: @SFG
  110. @WowJustWow

    New Guineans are smarter than Europeans because they’re more skilled at surviving in the rainforests of New Guinea

    But are New Guineans also smarter than the possums, wallabies and rodents who are also skilled at surviving in the rain forests of New Guinea?

  111. @anon

    It’s not brave to put yourself in a dangerous situation if you’re in complete denial of the danger involved. Idealists who go into Africa believing that it’s not dangerous and that only racists would consider it so are deluded, not brave. Bravery is when you perform a worthwhile act while fully aware of the danger involved.

  112. al anon says:
    @Anonymous

    As predators they will avoid costly inter-group fighting and concentrate on managing the two legged cattle. Perhaps they will evolve into a pastoral system merely milking and bleeding the herd, like 21st century Masai.

  113. Socialist Labor Leaders Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers warned of LEGAL IMMIGRATION from China in 1872…

  114. jared diamond, isn’t this the guy who said the people in new guinea were about the same as people anywhere else? then what would be the difference if a billion of them showed up in europe? he says he doesn’t think that would work out, but why? so he’s not even standing behind his own book then?

  115. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for all you do, Steve! I finally put my donation to you in the mail.

    Again, thanks!

  116. SFG says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    People like to keep their jobs.

    Also, it’s a matter of what hill you want to die on. Jordan Peterson may not have been totally honest about the reasons for Jewish influence…but do you think he wants to alienate his few supporters on the IDW and get totally unpersoned, when he’s having such a positive effect on alienated young men? Pinker probably figures he can get further leading up to the truth and not going there directly rather than charging up the hill of HBD and getting destroyed. Heck, I think David Frum has pretty well figured out what a lot of people here are saying–that a POC ascendancy will not be Good For the Jews, who are pretty pink-looking–but he’s not going to *say* that in the Atlantic, so he’ll go on about social cohesion being a better reason to cut immigration.

    One of my old history teachers said liberals gained power when people were willing to cut deals with them to avoid radicals. No reason this couldn’t be true on the right as well.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  117. @Craig Nelsen

    Great work. Keep up the fight. Am remembering you did some impressive awareness raising about Sanctuary Cities a few years ago.

  118. Lagertha says:

    I despise people like Jared D…they cheerleaded for this; let them house the people they beckon. Let them face the fact that EU/Aus/NZ/USA can not absorb 2-5 billion people.

  119. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow

    Urban Jews like Diamond are endlessly impressed by anyone who knows how to survive in the wild and is skilled with tools, even if they view them as low-brow skills. I’ve known Jews who hired a (goy) handyman to nail a tiny hook into drywall to hang a picture. They genuinely didn’t know how to use common tools but they were also proud of being above manual labor. While not rich, it made them feel like nobility to hire shabbos goyim to do a simple task for a hundred bucks or so.
    Ironically, I once hired a Jew (who had become a born-again missionary, including to New Guinea) to do carpentry and another Jew to replace windows at my house. Didn’t plan it that way, it just so happened, but both did a good job.

    That passage in GG&S by Diamond about the supposed brilliance of New Guinean savages was ridiculous. Sure, they’re illiterate, ill-tempered stone-age savages, who would spear you and cook you without batting an eyelash if they were in a foul mood that day, but they could get 1600 on the SAT, no problem, if they ever took one, and they thrive in the jungle in which they grew up, too!

    Also, his claim that Africans couldn’t develop agriculture because they had no domesticable animals is kinda BS. The Russians could turn wild foxes into household pets in the span of a few decades, and the same breeding principles would work with zebras or what have you. The book sold because it explained to liberals it was not the Africans’ or Aboriginals’ fault they hadn’t developed any civilization, it was just tragic dirt. So libs could go around lecturing badthinkers and feel smart and morally superior denigrating Europeans’ achievements. We had all these household animals readily domesticated to plow magic dirt, produce milk and wool, lay eggs etc., you see! I’m not sure why Steve was so impressed with Jared Diamond.

  120. eah says:

    The US has a more immediate problem:

    • Replies: @eah
  121. eah says:
    @eah

    “Americans”

  122. ‘…Personally, I’m a huge Jared Diamond fan…’

    I’m not. Many, many points of criticism, including intellectual inconsistency and inaccurate summaries of research.

    The most serious flaw in Guns, Germs, and Steel, though, is that it’s not original. It largely repeats but trivializes McNeill’s vastly more impressive (and perfectly readable) Plagues and Peoples, which contains some truly exciting ideas, as opposed to lame attempts to rationalize the black failure to ever develop civilization.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @George
  123. @Curious Person

    Curious Person asked:

    So if the environment isn’t responsible for the differences between different ‘populations’ and genetic differences aren’t responsible either, what is the reason that Europeans were responsible for almost all of the world’s scientific achievements and dominated the entire world for centuries?

    It’s the “rise of the West” problem, probably the key issue in sociology and historiography for more than a century.

    And, there’s no shortage of answers.

    The most obvious one is that no centralized empire since Rome (or perhaps Charlemagne) ever controlled the West: the resulting competing polities — first feudal, later nation-states — meant that at any point in time there was probably someplace in which thought and commerce were relatively free.

    Indeed, some degree of open trade is pretty much inevitable with small polities: autarky might be possible for China or the USA, but obviously not for Singapore or the Netherlands.

    And, then there is the millennium long conflict between Church and State: neither could completely dominate civil society while they were fighting each other.

    There is also the theory that the real point is not so much a take-off of the West as the coincidental stagnation of the other major civilizations (China, India, the Muslim world) in the early modern era.

    There are numerous other theories I have not mentioned. The real problem is weeding out the bad ideas and giving appropriate weights to the valid ones.

    There is also a chronological issue as to exactly when the West clearly surpassed everyone else. By 1900, obviously (except for the Westernizing tendencies in Russia and Japan). In 1500, probably not. But where was the inflection point?

    The only thing that all sensible people do agree on is that, at some point, the West dramatically moved beyond everyone else by almost any metric — industry, science, technology, music, weaponry, etc.

    The one point that is often ignored is that the West has won: any future civilization will and must be the descendant of the West. Maybe mixed with aspects of East Asian or Muslim civilization, but in science, technology, and industry, the Western contribution will remain dominant, for all practical purposes, forever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  124. @Colin Wright

    Colin Wright wrote:

    The most serious flaw in Guns, Germs, and Steel, though, is that it’s not original. It largely repeats but trivializes McNeill’s vastly more impressive (and perfectly readable) Plagues and Peoples, which contains some truly exciting ideas, as opposed to lame attempts to rationalize the black failure to ever develop civilization.

    I think you’re a bit unfair to Diamond, who is readable and thought-provoking.

    Of course, William McNeill is one of the great historians of the last century. I particularly like his brief but incisive The Human Condition, but we should also mention his magnum opus, The Rise of the West.

  125. @Anon

    *Colonialism will be the great bogeyman they conjure to guilt native Europeans into giving up their land, count on it.

    Gibs me back dat Constantinople, Asiatic Hordes!

  126. @anon

    It does happen. Harrison Ford is Jewish through his mother, and he voluntarily underwent induction into the Mystery of Carpenting and Such. Just like Jesus.

    Not happy with the roles being offered to him, Ford became a self-taught professional carpenter to support his then-wife and two young sons. –wiki

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    , @Anonymous
  127. @Expletive Deleted

    I can recall drinking white wine on a Rhine River cruise in 1980 with a guy from Los Angeles who claimed Harrison Ford built his kitchen cabinets.

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  128. @Cagey Beast

    New Sweden supported the Susquehannocks in their war against the English colonists in 1644.

    Later the Swedes attacked the Dutch fort Casimir with help from the native Americans. The Dutch surrendered to the Swedes and the fort was renamed Fort Trinity in 1654 and the Indians met with the Swedes to reaffirm their alliance.

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  129. Anne Lid says:
    @Ed

    Miss Mooney would have shut down the whole Unz Review, if she could, I’m afraid. She was ” leading efforts to counter hate speech and violence”.

  130. Anne Lid says:
    @SFG

    Jordan Peterson is rich and has already made a nice body of work. At this point he could afford to lose a lot of the adoration and the income, if he chose to speak more plainly about delicate matters. He chose the easier path.

  131. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The one point that is often ignored is that the West has won

    Who is this “West” fellow and where can I meet him?

  132. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    It does happen. Harrison Ford is Jewish through his mother, and he voluntarily underwent induction into the Mystery of Carpenting and Such. Just like Jesus.

    If Ford’s father is European then your example does not constitute an exception.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  133. ATBOTL says:

    It’s incredibly frustrating that only now are conservatives starting to get serious about immigration. A big chunk of the left was willing to do immigration restriction as recently as the early 00’s. Yet the GOP and Conservatism Inc. were totally in the hands of the open borders crowd at the time.

    Conservatives waited until after the Democrats became open borders fanatics to vote for a candidate who talked sense on immigration. If only we had a President Buchanan in 1992, 1996 or 2000 we might not even be complaining about immigration anymore.

  134. George says:
    @Colin Wright

    I thought Diamond’s big idea was Eurasia had a development advantage because Eurasia is East-West, while The Americas and Africa are North-South. Being East West meant Eurasia had comparatively better communications and transportation than the Americas and Africa.

  135. @anon

    Africa has more ungulates than any other continent. Diamond likely knows full well why Africa is what it is, but why interrupt making money by being honest?

    People like Diamond are less of the problem than are people that pretend Diamond is honest.

    Thomas Dixon’s “The Clansman”:

    “Education, sir, is the development of that which is. Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa—rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail!

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  136. MEH 0910 says:

  137. @Prodigal son

    That’s interesting. Isn’t it funny how European tribalism quickly meshed in with the existing Native’s tribalism. It was the same story up here with the French and British.

  138. @Curious Person

    Luck. Of course Luck. Luck is how evolution works. Just luck. Why is a Rockefeller superior? Why because he was lucky enough to choose his parents well. Luck.

  139. @anon

    You are just plain wrong. You try domesticating a zebra. Hardeharhar. Put your money where your mouth is, person who thinks the whole world exudes from his own brain.

  140. @William Badwhite

    Seeing as how none of these “docile” animals has ever been tamed by anyone, one would think that the burden of proof is on you.

    Meaning, you are wrong and you live alone in your own brain, unattached to the real world.

  141. istevefan says:
    @Travis

    Good point. I was just looking at the immigrant generation. But the sad truth is the children and grandchildren of that first generation just keep growing in ever larger numbers. So even if Europe turns off the spigot now, unless they have plans to repatriate those already there, their future is baked in the cake.

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  142. Anonymous[918] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Listening to Jews on any topic is to consume social poison, no matter what they are selling on any particular date.

    What about medical and legal advice?

  143. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    In GM Fraser’s memoir The Light’s Out at Signpost, which I don’t have ready to quote right now, there is a detailed anecdote about Ford building a home theater for a Hollywood muckity-muck and that becoming part of getting back into acting work.

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  144. @James Speaks

    I’m still looking for enough data to prove or disprove the following hypotheses:
    1) The wealth of a nation is its average IQ

    Heiner Rindermann – Cognitive Capitalism – Cambridge University Press, 2018- lots of it online too

  145. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Here we are: GMF, TLOAS, pp. 138,9:
    [GMF has been summoned to Yugoslavia to effect last minute script adjustments for Force Ten from Navarone, which stars actual WWII vets, plus this kid from Hollywood …]

    Perhaps [Robert Shaw] was just a natural competitor. There was to be a scene involving cliff-climbing (which didn’t get into the movie), and Shaw champed at the bit beforehand, muttering: “I’m going to bloody well kill Franco Nero at this.” In the event, which I didn’t witness, the fastest man up the cliff, ahead even of the stuntmen, was Harrison Ford. Which surprised me, for Harrison had struck me as quite the gentlest of the cast, soft-spoken and quietly courteous, and not the one you expect to be first as an action man.
    He had just become internationally famous with Star Wars, and his part in Force Ten was modest by comparison, but he took great pains over it. He and I shared an acquaintance in Dick Fleischer; Harrison, who during a hiatus in his film career had become a carpenter, had been engaged on building a projection room at Dick’s Hollywood home in South Rockingham when he suddenly had the chance to appear in George Lucas’s American Graffiti, and the projection room was abandoned half-finished, which had not endured Harrison to Dick’s wife, Mickey. I gather that Harrison had emerged somewhat shaken, but eventually it all came right, for I learned later from Mickey that he had completed the projection room, which is an extremely handsome one.

  146. @J.Ross

    It’s almost as if being a Hollywood leading man is an incredibly competitive field and the guys who succeed at it tend to be rather competent, as shown by their impressive record, relative to, for example, Hollywood leading ladies, at directing movies.

    The fellow I drank white wine with on the Rhine said Harrison Ford had been a really good carpenter. Now that he’s a million years old, I wouldn’t want to be landing a jetliner near where Ford was landing his private plane, but still …

    On the other hand, there isn’t totally a g factor of being a movie star. For example, I’ve long been fascinated by the rivalry between Cary Grant and David Niven (e.g., if the James Bond franchise had been launched in the mid-50s one or the other would have likely gotten the role). Niven was everything Grant would have liked to have been in real life (e.g, Niven spent 1939-45 in the British Army, and, as far as I can tell, his role was often to charm the Americans into giving Montgomery whatever he wanted. My thesis: David Niven’s charm personally extended WWII by a month). After the war, Niven was a tremendous raconteur in the highbrow Gstaad set, idolized by W.F. Buckley and J.K. Galbraith for his wit.

    But David wasn’t a tremendous actor, while Cary, an insecure man, did only one thing well: when the director said “Lights, action,” he was more or less the greatest movie star of all time.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  147. @obwandiyag

    Seeing as how none of these “docile” animals has ever been tamed by anyone, one would think that the burden of proof is on you.

    Where do you think horses, cows, dogs, house cats, chickens come from? They are from wild animals that were domesticated. Surely even you aren’t so stupid as to think they just evolved that way.

    Seeing as how none of these “docile” animals has ever been tamed by Africans, one would think that the burden of proof is on Africans and their tiresome apologists, such as oingoboingo.

    FIFY

  148. @Steve Sailer

    Cary, an insecure man, did only one thing well: when the director said “Lights, action,” he was more or less the greatest movie star of all time.

    Is there any other example of this in movie history?

    DeNiro?

  149. @Verymuchalive

    I too dissent from the fandom of Jared Diamond. Steve says,

    “Granted, his 1997 vast bestseller Guns, Germs, and Steel was kind of a sellout, but we all have to decide what we’ll do for money.”

    But as usual, Steve is too kind. Diamond made his career by blazing a trail away from the truth. So of course, now that he has shown the success one can earn this way, he is being outflanked by others blazing trails even further from the the truth. Too late to complain, dummy Diamond. This is the Domino Effect you started!

  150. @Anonymous

    Sort of Irish, IIRC, but (and it’s a big butt) you can’t never git to being Jewish without a yiddishe momme. So you’re only singling out the purebred heebs? Why? It’s not that they don’t get it in the neck any less than the most authentic Red Sea pedestrians?
    Mr Ford himself has said “As a man I’ve always felt Irish, as an actor I’ve always felt Jewish.” (just went and looked it up).
    Jesus’ father wasn’t Jewish either, just his mom and cuckdad. Look it up. Probably English, if history is any guide.

    And stop being anon, that belongs on the chans, and .. it’s all so tiresome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. @obwandiyag

    I say, old man, whadya think of me new nag, what?


    C’mon, even the bloody Rothschilds had a zebra cart for trotting along to the Palace. Carefully avoiding the bicycling elephants on Oxford St. , of course.
    Poor thing, I hope she didn’t get cold toes.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  152. @J.Ross

    “endured”. Kill me now.
    I am a carpenter, and am ashamed of my spellignes spelluns, you know, that thing they do in skool. Mafs is good tho, so it’s all gravy.
    Mr Fraser is an accomplished, expensively educated scion of the Imperial Elite (and not just a fat c**t from Carlisle). A professional scribe and fabulist, raised in a nobler, better age, like ObiWan. If that passed his muster, then all is lost. Lost …

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  153. @istevefan

    Or.
    Europe will revert to being disgustingly poor, horribly cold, and quite absurdly violent.
    As it has been, from the retreat of the glaciers until the invention of methods of exploiting artificial/fossil fuels.
    Violent; on a scale, intensity and duration that would have appalled even the Aztecs. Starvation does that to a boy.

  154. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Maybe the Irish component was a contributing factor to his achievements in carpentry.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  155. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Expletive Deleted

    That must have been my error: but I did notice several typos elsewhere in the book, which is the paperback edition.

  156. @Anonymous

    Eire is, or has been, notoriously rubbish at timber management. Savage goat-herding peasants.
    Any random fellow that would advance in the trade (the Only Trade, joinery) would of course make for France.

  157. @Expletive Deleted

    Your an idiot and wrong. After those photos were taken, the zebras kicked and bit their riders to death. Everybody with any sense knows you can’t tame zebras. Idiot.

  158. OK found the wite supremacist larping as a butt-stupid Africanus.
    No black could be that contrarian.

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