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From the Asahi Shimbun:

Japan maintains tough stance on refugees, only 20 accepted in 2017
By RYUJIRO KOMATSU/ Staff Writer

February 14, 2018 at 15:35 JST

Japan received a record 19,628 asylum applications in 2017, but only 20 were successful, according to preliminary figures released by the Justice Ministry on Feb. 13.

There were 8,727 more applications compared with 2016, when 28 people were granted refugee status. The total number of asylum seekers in 2017 marked a high for the seventh straight year.

 
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  1. Japan’s population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan’s population is 3/8 of the USA’s.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Jim Don Bob


    Japan’s population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan’s population is 3/8 of the USA’s.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis
     
    Yeah, OK...I am, too, but those Somalis will have to live in your neighborhood before they start living in mine.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Jim Don Bob

  2. Of course we are a much bigger country than Japan so we could take in more. Something around 50 or 60 sounds right.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Pat Boyle

    LOL, yo Paddy, you and Jim Bob in comment #1 prove that geniuses congregate together.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle

  3. There was an article in the Economist last week telling the naughty Chinese to stop being racist to Africans. They even complained (not making this up) about Chinese scientists using race, which everyone in the West knows has been disproven by science.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @DFH

    That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese ;)

    Or by some Muslim "Briton" who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    , @Tenet
    @DFH

    "They even complained (not making this up)"

    No, we know you are not making it up. You include that narcissistic phrase to show "Look, what I write is super special! So special that people can't even believe it's true!" It's like laughing at your own jokes.

    Just leave it out it next time and simply write what you have to say.

    , @Realist
    @DFH

    If only Western countries were as intelligent as east Asian countries....we would have slammed the door shut decades ago.

  4. Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don’t want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can’t think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Ali Choudhury


    work and get promoted even after they got married. I can’t think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something
     
    Oh god. This troll territory around iSteve.

    Keeping an economy growing with an expanding workforce is unsustainable. Getting women to work was a bad deal for America and would be for Japan too.

    There are some pro-natalist policies the government could support, but the leftist project of getting women out of the homes and into the workforce is just evil and would destroy traditional family lifestyles.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ali Choudhury

    Your post is pretty contradictory, Mr. Choudhury. You think encouraging Japenese women to have careers will help make more babies? Whaaaaa? They will do fine, as lots of posters/commenters here and on VDare seem to think too. I don't see women in the workplace making anyone richer but the Jap government. Life is not all about money - growing up with two loving parents with a Mom that has time for the family is a something American Express just doesn't cover. (OK, OK, I'm butchering that commerical!)

    I say they will do fine, as the technology they develop, albiet less personal, will make the care for the elders more affordable, as this big bubble of population gets to those years. That beats importing caretakers that will eventually change their whole society. Anyway, within 25 years or so, they may have a very nice/stable demographic profile.

    All that said, I personally would not fit in to Japanese society, even with more-slanted eyes and black hair. I value open spaces and freedom as opposed to what the Japanese value. However, let the Japanese be Japanesse.

    , @bartok
    @Ali Choudhury

    My thanks to the other commentators for sniffing out Ali Choudhury's feminist-neoliberal horseshit, that sounds like The Economist talking.

    Why do Japanese women have so few children? Let's put it this way - why should they bother to have more than one or two? Selfishly, they get more leisure time to watch TV, the fewer children they have. And they watch plenty of TV / mobile phone entertainment. Rationally, they can invest more in fewer children, for tutoring, sports, perhaps private high school. Children are a financial burden, not a boon, in a welfare state. In modern first-world countries, money flows from parent to child - rarely does a child make a net contribution in the reverse direction.

    The free K-12 schools are not 100% free, there are extra expenses. Same with free healthcare, you need to save for extra cancer insurance and for cash gifts to surgeons and other specialists. "Onegaishimasu!"

    Plenty of expenses. Though the rent isn't as damn high as it used to be, buying home is expensive b/c the Japanese are averse to 'used homes'. They tear down and rebuild as a matter of course.

    The Japanese government has a easy solution to all of this, staring them in the face. Because the Japanese are so conscientious, the government needs only to dangle huge stacks of cash in front of "Baby, maybe?" married couples. Give the equivalent of $150k, cash, for each married couple's third, fourth, etc. child. Index it to local cost of living so that city dwellers are tempted as well. Have the local mayor deliver it to the hospital room - politicians love to play Santa Kulasu.

    Instead, there is a mild subsidy to parents, handed out annually. Boring!

    The government doesn't understand that they need to motivate reckless conception with huge cash stacks. Unlike in the US, reckless conception will be decidedly pro-social.

    Instead, the equivalent stacks of cash are squandered on bridges to nowhere. The politically-connected concrete companies should be reassured that a baby boom will require plenty of concrete, by-and-by. They need to sacrifice temporarily for the good of the nation.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Ali Choudhury


    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don’t want skilled workers to bring their families over.

     

    What is unlikely to work? Their outrageously harsh terms of immigration will fail to discourage immigrants and lower immigration levels? Their PR spin will fail to keep international pressure at bay? Maybe both of those will work exactly as planned.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Ali Choudhury


    Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married.
     
    Children are not chopped livers. They need someone to nurture them, and female careers delay first birth and compete for attention.
  5. I’ve been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, “what’s to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?”

    He replied, “they just don’t do it.”

    That my friends, is a society.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Spud Boy

    That is a hard to believe anecdote. This is an old article, but it claims the machines have ID readers for purchasing alcohol.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/04/10/national/id-system-keeps-alcohol-vending-machines-handy/#.WpSQ74PwaUk

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @J.Ross

    , @White Guy In Japan
    @Spud Boy

    Also, if you lose your wallet or purse, 99% chance it will be turned in to the police and returned to you. Cash intact. That is civilization with a capital "C".

    @Barnard
    I have never seen ID scan required for beer/sake vending machines. Cigarette machines, yes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Spud Boy

    If you believe that, then I ought to change my tag to Nigerian Prince and cut you in on this business deal I've got.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    , @Neoconned
    @Spud Boy

    I'm very seriously considering retiring to suburban Tokyo in my 50s, if I live that long....the safe streets being one of the main lures....

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Truth
    @Spud Boy


    That my friends, is a society.
     
    Yeah...a society with some punk-ass boys.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  6. Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.
     
    Tell that to the Koreans, Chinese and others in Asia. The Japanese do invasions quite well. But I get your point that in the post WW2 world they have ceased.

    However, if Japan would have held onto her gains and not lost WW2, would Japan itself today be overrun with foreigners?

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

     

    Japan invaded the US! Japan invaded China, Korea, and India! Japan was the biggest ally of the Nazis; the actual Nazis. Since WW2, Japan hasn't been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.

    Replies: @jlee0, @üeljang

  7. The Japanese are not only holding on to their own traditional ethnic homeland, they are also expanding by assimilating small minorities beyond the boundaries of the old Japanese homeland.

    The Ainu are one obvious example, but here is another:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Savory

    A group of White American men and their Hawaiian wives were the first colonists of the Bonin Islands (Iwo Jima, Chi Chi Jima etc.) in the 1830s, but they have since been utterly assimilated through intermarriage, after the Japanese annexed the islands.

    Their descendants no longer want to even admit that their ancestors included White Americans and Hawaiians, but some of the Japanese who fought against Americans during WW2, perhaps even some of those who fought on Iwo Jima, were descendants of Nathaniel Savory and his fellow White American colonists.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @John Gruskos

    I wonder whether the Pelosi, Brown, Newsom and Feinstein descendants will fight us in the next Mexican War.

    , @Cortes
    @John Gruskos

    Here’s an example of an outpost in southern Spain:

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2003/12/11/news/spains-japon-clan-has-reunion-to-trace-its-17th-century-roots/#.WpSc-sqnyhA

  8. How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure – and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Old Palo Altan

    I think the Chinese intend to step into that vacuum.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    , @scrivener3
    @Old Palo Altan

    Japanese are having very few children. They are rubbing themselves out. Everyone seems to think the lot of a Japanese (salaryman's) wife is pretty dismal with his work centered socializing at night, so maybe instead of feminism it is some sort of masculine ethic that got off track. It does seem the Japanese take anything to an extreme, like ten years internship to learn how to grind wasabi.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Corvinus
    @Old Palo Altan

    "How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure – and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind."

    You mean mass immigration driven by capitalism. And as far as keeping our "superior stock pure", that notion went out the window when the English were overrun by the non-English in the Thirteen Colonies.

  9. Meanwhile in Dutchland:

    From drug tolerance to ‘narco state’: Migrant gangs & hands-off policing threaten Dutch liberalism

    The Netherlands’ permissive drugs policy has been hailed worldwide, but immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a “parallel mafia society.” Yet they are not the only ones who created this crisis.

    A report by the Dutch police union based on interviews with 400 detectives, released last week, read less like a blueprint for tackling crime, but rather a concession of defeat.

    A sample of quotes from interviewees: “In 25 years, I’ve seen small dealers grow to large businessmen with respected investors [and] political connections.” “Five years ago a contract killer would cost €50,000 [US$61,000] now one can be found for €5,000. It’s supply and demand.” “The Netherlands has become a narco state in the past three decades. We do not see what remains invisible, but underground it has been growing.”

    ….

    A police report – even one titled A Cry for Help – is not likely to spark action, though at least unlike in Germany there is discussion unburdened by constraints of self-censorship.

    The above is essentially the platform of Geert Wilders Party for Freedom, which presents itself as a defender of Dutch liberalism, demanding both stricter deportations and tougher policing on one hand, and greater assimilation from migrant groups on the other. But even on the crest of a populist wave last year, the party received just 20 out of 150 seats in parliament, and remains firmly in opposition.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @El Dato

    "...immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a 'parallel mafia society.'"

    I can well believe it.

    I spent some time in the Netherlands & Belgium, about this time last year, starting off at a Hostel in Amsterdam...

    I awoke one morning in the midst of a nasty quarrel between a couple of guys speaking in English with heavy accents that I couldn't identify, pretty clearly concerning some drug deal gone awry.

    I just snored louder & vacated the next morning.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    , @Altai
    @El Dato

    Can only have a high-trust society with high trust people.

  10. Vincent Chiarello says:

    Can Japan remain…Japanese? Unlike the U.S. and other countries in the West, the Japanese recognize the importance of their historical and cultural roots, as do their politicians. I have no doubt that they will.

  11. Disappointed to see that they let so many in, whats next, 25, 40, 130, the possibilities are endless.

  12. When I buy eggs, I buy more. Not a criticism, but more a puzzlement. I always thought of these things as being kind of boolean. It is either zero or infinity. Actually, sometimes it is kind of a slow creep. But not with Japan.

    I guess this is about forms, maybe. Like how the declaration of war was supposed to come a minute before Pearl Harbor, but came after, to the strange shame of the Japanese.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @songbird

    When I buy eggs, I buy more.

    The eggs you buy don't hatch, or turn into hatchlings that procreate amongst themselves, criticize your family and the way you do things, demand you provide for them, commit crimes against your household including rape and murder, or demand that you submit to their laws and religion.

    Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.

  13. Too bad they did not give more details about each of the 20. I really want to know what it takes to make the cut.

    Japanese Association for Refugees (Yo, George Soros I know you read this blog, send them some of your ¥)

    https://www.refugee.or.jp/en/

    2013 application for refugee status. 20 is actually a comparatively large number.
    https://www.refugee.or.jp/for_refugees/tothose/tothose_english_1303.pdf

  14. If I had to pick a non-white ethnicity to be, it would be Japanese.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @Flip

    And me. There's something about the Japanese that reminds me of Scandinavians. In another universe I could imagine a contemporary Sweden as being something like modern Japan. I think many Sailerites and alt-righters would give the same answer, too.

    But it makes me wonder what other ethnic groups people here would choose to be, and for what reasons?

    'Jew' would be an obvious answer for all sorts of comedy and genuine reasons. But who else? The choices are pretty thin.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Truth
    @Flip

    Well isn't that magnanimous of you.

    I had a Japanese guy tell me the other day that if he had to be a hairy, foul-smelling, big-nosed, stupid, rude, drunk, Gaijin, European is UNQUESTIONABLY the path he'd choose.

  15. @Old Palo Altan
    How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure - and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @scrivener3, @Corvinus

    I think the Chinese intend to step into that vacuum.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Joe Walker

    I know they do, but I predict (or perhaps merely hope) that the honorary Aryans will beat them to it.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  16. @songbird
    When I buy eggs, I buy more. Not a criticism, but more a puzzlement. I always thought of these things as being kind of boolean. It is either zero or infinity. Actually, sometimes it is kind of a slow creep. But not with Japan.

    I guess this is about forms, maybe. Like how the declaration of war was supposed to come a minute before Pearl Harbor, but came after, to the strange shame of the Japanese.

    Replies: @Anonym

    When I buy eggs, I buy more.

    The eggs you buy don’t hatch, or turn into hatchlings that procreate amongst themselves, criticize your family and the way you do things, demand you provide for them, commit crimes against your household including rape and murder, or demand that you submit to their laws and religion.

    Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.

  17. @John Gruskos
    The Japanese are not only holding on to their own traditional ethnic homeland, they are also expanding by assimilating small minorities beyond the boundaries of the old Japanese homeland.

    The Ainu are one obvious example, but here is another:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Savory

    A group of White American men and their Hawaiian wives were the first colonists of the Bonin Islands (Iwo Jima, Chi Chi Jima etc.) in the 1830s, but they have since been utterly assimilated through intermarriage, after the Japanese annexed the islands.

    Their descendants no longer want to even admit that their ancestors included White Americans and Hawaiians, but some of the Japanese who fought against Americans during WW2, perhaps even some of those who fought on Iwo Jima, were descendants of Nathaniel Savory and his fellow White American colonists.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Cortes

    I wonder whether the Pelosi, Brown, Newsom and Feinstein descendants will fight us in the next Mexican War.

  18. Amusing trivia: during Apartheid, the South African government officially classified the Japanese as “honorary whites”.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Vrystaat


    Amusing trivia: during Apartheid, the South African government officially classified the Japanese as “honorary whites”.

     

    Perhaps one day in Nippon, they can respond to reclassify what they must see as South African "hairy barbarians" into - 'honorary Japanese' (one of greatest honors a man could receive).
  19. That’s 20 more than they should have taken.

  20. Only 20 refugees, meanwhile the number of refugees that Angela Merkel lets into Germany every year is the equivalent of the population of San Diego, California or Phoenix, Arizona for example.

  21. @Spud Boy
    I've been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, "what's to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?"

    He replied, "they just don't do it."

    That my friends, is a society.

    Replies: @Barnard, @White Guy In Japan, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Neoconned, @Truth

    That is a hard to believe anecdote. This is an old article, but it claims the machines have ID readers for purchasing alcohol.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/04/10/national/id-system-keeps-alcohol-vending-machines-handy/#.WpSQ74PwaUk

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Barnard

    No, he's correct. I live in Japan, and these honor-system alcohol vending machines exist. I've used them. There is one around the corner from my apartment.
    (BTW, the article you posted doesn't say they don't exist, it says they're changing.)

    And they are in fact a good example of why foreigners, like me, shouldn't be allowed to move here.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Truth

    , @J.Ross
    @Barnard

    Japan actually still made cash deliveries of holiday bonuses until alarmingly recently. Japanese typically get underpaid on their normal paychecks but get an unusually large holiday bonus in cash. There was a huge (~$800,000) robbery in 1968 which prompted foreigners to ask how that had not happened sooner.

  22. @Jim Don Bob
    Japan's population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan's population is 3/8 of the USA's.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis.

    Replies: @J1234

    Japan’s population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan’s population is 3/8 of the USA’s.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis

    Yeah, OK…I am, too, but those Somalis will have to live in your neighborhood before they start living in mine.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @J1234

    Good point. Maybe just take one, to prove you are not racist, and no more.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @J1234

    I would gladly sign up to support all of them for the rest of their lives iif they were the only refugees admitted this year. It would be a bargain compared to the 1-2 million turd worlders coming here every year that we have to pay for forever and all their relatives forever.

    I'm with Jack D. Pick them up, put them on a plane/bus back to where they came from. Period.

    I am sick to death of hearing about the rights illegals have in my country. What part of illegal is hard to understand?

  23. Japan will survive, China too, Russia probably, Poland and Hungary possibly, France, UK & Germany not very likely.

    But even those bozos west of Oder-Neisse line can save themselves (ethnic cleansing & all that jazz)

  24. @Flip
    If I had to pick a non-white ethnicity to be, it would be Japanese.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Truth

    And me. There’s something about the Japanese that reminds me of Scandinavians. In another universe I could imagine a contemporary Sweden as being something like modern Japan. I think many Sailerites and alt-righters would give the same answer, too.

    But it makes me wonder what other ethnic groups people here would choose to be, and for what reasons?

    ‘Jew’ would be an obvious answer for all sorts of comedy and genuine reasons. But who else? The choices are pretty thin.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @al gore rhythms

    And me. And BTW the "Jew" thing only works if your mom's a shiksa and your dad's a billionaire. Then I guess it's worth it.

  25. @Joe Walker
    @Old Palo Altan

    I think the Chinese intend to step into that vacuum.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    I know they do, but I predict (or perhaps merely hope) that the honorary Aryans will beat them to it.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Old Palo Altan

    The Japs may find themselves high on the list for historical retribution as China thoroughly eclipses the USA and Europe (COMBINED) in economic and military might.

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn't acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anonymous, @Daniel Chieh

  26. @El Dato
    Meanwhile in Dutchland:

    From drug tolerance to ‘narco state’: Migrant gangs & hands-off policing threaten Dutch liberalism

    The Netherlands’ permissive drugs policy has been hailed worldwide, but immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a “parallel mafia society.” Yet they are not the only ones who created this crisis.

    A report by the Dutch police union based on interviews with 400 detectives, released last week, read less like a blueprint for tackling crime, but rather a concession of defeat.

    A sample of quotes from interviewees: “In 25 years, I’ve seen small dealers grow to large businessmen with respected investors [and] political connections.” “Five years ago a contract killer would cost €50,000 [US$61,000] now one can be found for €5,000. It’s supply and demand.” “The Netherlands has become a narco state in the past three decades. We do not see what remains invisible, but underground it has been growing.”

    ....


    A police report – even one titled A Cry for Help – is not likely to spark action, though at least unlike in Germany there is discussion unburdened by constraints of self-censorship.

    The above is essentially the platform of Geert Wilders Party for Freedom, which presents itself as a defender of Dutch liberalism, demanding both stricter deportations and tougher policing on one hand, and greater assimilation from migrant groups on the other. But even on the crest of a populist wave last year, the party received just 20 out of 150 seats in parliament, and remains firmly in opposition.
     

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Altai

    “…immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a ‘parallel mafia society.’”

    I can well believe it.

    I spent some time in the Netherlands & Belgium, about this time last year, starting off at a Hostel in Amsterdam…

    I awoke one morning in the midst of a nasty quarrel between a couple of guys speaking in English with heavy accents that I couldn’t identify, pretty clearly concerning some drug deal gone awry.

    I just snored louder & vacated the next morning.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Vinteuil

    Well, I hope at least you wandered up and down the art and antiques street leading to and from the Rijksmuseum.

  27. “Among the 20 individuals who were recognized as refugees were five Egyptians, five Syrians and two Afghans.”

    Even when a country does it right, they do it wrong.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I don't know if there are any good options for country of origin when it comes to refugees. They could probably do worse than that too.

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Brutusale
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Well, seeing as Japanese society is like a military academy compared to that of the US, which is a goo goo Montessori school, I expect the refugees to assimilate or die.

    At any rate, they won't be a problem for long.

  28. @DFH
    There was an article in the Economist last week telling the naughty Chinese to stop being racist to Africans. They even complained (not making this up) about Chinese scientists using race, which everyone in the West knows has been disproven by science.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Tenet, @Realist

    That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese 😉

    Or by some Muslim “Briton” who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @RadicalCenter

    ==QUOTE== That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese ;) Or by some Muslim “Briton” who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world. ==UNQUOTE==

    "Curry" favor? Isn't that cultural appropriation? Kind of like this 1964 Japanese commercial that "Even an Indian will be surprised (at the good taste of S&B Curry)":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSm0KUlcK-E

    Replies: @J.Ross

  29. @Barnard
    @Spud Boy

    That is a hard to believe anecdote. This is an old article, but it claims the machines have ID readers for purchasing alcohol.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/04/10/national/id-system-keeps-alcohol-vending-machines-handy/#.WpSQ74PwaUk

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @J.Ross

    No, he’s correct. I live in Japan, and these honor-system alcohol vending machines exist. I’ve used them. There is one around the corner from my apartment.
    (BTW, the article you posted doesn’t say they don’t exist, it says they’re changing.)

    And they are in fact a good example of why foreigners, like me, shouldn’t be allowed to move here.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Chrisnonymous

    The article is from 2001 so I figured the ID scanners would have been implemented by now. It is still hard to believe there are few underage drinkers using them, but maybe that is their culture.

    , @Truth
    @Chrisnonymous


    (BTW, the article you posted doesn’t say they don’t exist, it says they’re changing.)
     
    Is there a logical inference that can be drawn from this? I mean, I never truly wanted to belive the "Japs are smarter than whites" meme, but, uh...
  30. @Old Palo Altan
    @Joe Walker

    I know they do, but I predict (or perhaps merely hope) that the honorary Aryans will beat them to it.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    The Japs may find themselves high on the list for historical retribution as China thoroughly eclipses the USA and Europe (COMBINED) in economic and military might.

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @RadicalCenter


    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
     
    Japan could develop nukes and ICBMs within a few months:
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-could-have-icbm-less-year-says-expert-24183
    Their "self-defense" forces also seem to be well-equipped and competent.

    They'll be fine as long as they stick to their policy of keeping out "refugees" and other aliens.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Diversity Heretic

    , @Anonymous
    @RadicalCenter


    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
     
    Well, there is one country exactly midway between China and Japan, and it already has nukes and delivery systems. Granted there may be a complication or two, but still.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @RadicalCenter


    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

     

    There's no point.
  31. Anonymous [AKA "Mach1"] says:

    Are those who are rejected kicked out of Japan or are they allowed to remain?
    If allowed to remain, isn’t it effectually a kind of asylum?

    Even if they are officially accepted, the fact they are allowed to stay means they get to live there.

    Btw, why were so many allowed to get in in the first place?

  32. @Vrystaat
    Amusing trivia: during Apartheid, the South African government officially classified the Japanese as "honorary whites".

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Amusing trivia: during Apartheid, the South African government officially classified the Japanese as “honorary whites”.

    Perhaps one day in Nippon, they can respond to reclassify what they must see as South African “hairy barbarians” into – ‘honorary Japanese’ (one of greatest honors a man could receive).

  33. @J1234
    @Jim Don Bob


    Japan’s population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan’s population is 3/8 of the USA’s.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis
     
    Yeah, OK...I am, too, but those Somalis will have to live in your neighborhood before they start living in mine.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Jim Don Bob

    Good point. Maybe just take one, to prove you are not racist, and no more.

  34. @Old Palo Altan
    How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure - and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @scrivener3, @Corvinus

    Japanese are having very few children. They are rubbing themselves out. Everyone seems to think the lot of a Japanese (salaryman’s) wife is pretty dismal with his work centered socializing at night, so maybe instead of feminism it is some sort of masculine ethic that got off track. It does seem the Japanese take anything to an extreme, like ten years internship to learn how to grind wasabi.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @scrivener3

    More like 10 years internship to learn how to grind sesame!

  35. @Ali Choudhury
    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don't want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can't think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @bartok, @Massimo Heitor, @Daniel Chieh

    work and get promoted even after they got married. I can’t think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something

    Oh god. This troll territory around iSteve.

    Keeping an economy growing with an expanding workforce is unsustainable. Getting women to work was a bad deal for America and would be for Japan too.

    There are some pro-natalist policies the government could support, but the leftist project of getting women out of the homes and into the workforce is just evil and would destroy traditional family lifestyles.

    • Agree: Corn
  36. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous
    Japan: doesn't invade the world, thus doesn't invite the world.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Massimo Heitor

    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

    Tell that to the Koreans, Chinese and others in Asia. The Japanese do invasions quite well. But I get your point that in the post WW2 world they have ceased.

    However, if Japan would have held onto her gains and not lost WW2, would Japan itself today be overrun with foreigners?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @istevefan

    Yup.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Population_of_Koreans_in_Japan.gif

    BTW, WWII (and 1920s-30s) Japanese propaganda reads word-for-word identically to modern-day SJW/Critical Race Theory tracts. It’s really remarkable. I’d do a blog post on it if I had a blog.

    Replies: @istevefan

  37. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Among the 20 individuals who were recognized as refugees were five Egyptians, five Syrians and two Afghans."

    Even when a country does it right, they do it wrong.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Brutusale

    I don’t know if there are any good options for country of origin when it comes to refugees. They could probably do worse than that too.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Barnard

    North Korea, China, Ukraine, Lebanese Christians, white South Africans, secular Iranians.

    (None of whom are particularly desirable from the Japanese perspective, just better choices than Afghans).

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  38. @Barnard
    @Spud Boy

    That is a hard to believe anecdote. This is an old article, but it claims the machines have ID readers for purchasing alcohol.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/04/10/national/id-system-keeps-alcohol-vending-machines-handy/#.WpSQ74PwaUk

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @J.Ross

    Japan actually still made cash deliveries of holiday bonuses until alarmingly recently. Japanese typically get underpaid on their normal paychecks but get an unusually large holiday bonus in cash. There was a huge (~$800,000) robbery in 1968 which prompted foreigners to ask how that had not happened sooner.

  39. @Ali Choudhury
    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don't want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can't think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @bartok, @Massimo Heitor, @Daniel Chieh

    Your post is pretty contradictory, Mr. Choudhury. You think encouraging Japenese women to have careers will help make more babies? Whaaaaa? They will do fine, as lots of posters/commenters here and on VDare seem to think too. I don’t see women in the workplace making anyone richer but the Jap government. Life is not all about money – growing up with two loving parents with a Mom that has time for the family is a something American Express just doesn’t cover. (OK, OK, I’m butchering that commerical!)

    I say they will do fine, as the technology they develop, albiet less personal, will make the care for the elders more affordable, as this big bubble of population gets to those years. That beats importing caretakers that will eventually change their whole society. Anyway, within 25 years or so, they may have a very nice/stable demographic profile.

    All that said, I personally would not fit in to Japanese society, even with more-slanted eyes and black hair. I value open spaces and freedom as opposed to what the Japanese value. However, let the Japanese be Japanesse.

  40. And still, they managed to find each other!

    • Replies: @mobi
    @mobi

    https://youtu.be/4aNoZt77dnk

    Replies: @Anonymous

  41. German_reader says:
    @RadicalCenter
    @Old Palo Altan

    The Japs may find themselves high on the list for historical retribution as China thoroughly eclipses the USA and Europe (COMBINED) in economic and military might.

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn't acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anonymous, @Daniel Chieh

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Japan could develop nukes and ICBMs within a few months:
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-could-have-icbm-less-year-says-expert-24183
    Their “self-defense” forces also seem to be well-equipped and competent.

    They’ll be fine as long as they stick to their policy of keeping out “refugees” and other aliens.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @German_reader

    Fair point, and I'm checking out your link, thank you :)

    But when China grows strong and bold enough, and the USA weak enough, we can't be sure that China will afford Japan those few months to develop nukes.

    Japan's self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China, which can readily afford to lose several pilots, planes, soldiers, etc., for each one lost by Japan if they get into a life-or-death struggle.

    Replies: @Rosh, @bartok

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @German_reader

    I used to work on Capitol Hill and had responsibilities vis-à-vis the nuclear weapons facilities of the Department of Energy. In the 1990s DOE told us that Japan could have a nuclear weapon within six weeks of a political decision to acquire one. The Japanese are quite familiar with plutonium from their breeder reactor program and the explosive lenses necessary to achieve a controlled implosion are well within the capabilities of today's commercial blasting technology. I don't know how many nuclear weapons the Japanese could have or how they would plan to deliver them.

    I think a Chinese invasion of Japan is very unlikely. China tends to be quite restrained in its foreign policy except when it considers something to be a domestic matter (e.g., Taiwan or Tibet).

    By the way, I always appreciate and look forward to your comments!

  42. @Spud Boy
    I've been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, "what's to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?"

    He replied, "they just don't do it."

    That my friends, is a society.

    Replies: @Barnard, @White Guy In Japan, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Neoconned, @Truth

    Also, if you lose your wallet or purse, 99% chance it will be turned in to the police and returned to you. Cash intact. That is civilization with a capital “C”.


    I have never seen ID scan required for beer/sake vending machines. Cigarette machines, yes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @White Guy In Japan

    Japan is close to being a nation which does everything right. Not perfect--what's perfect? But the ire in the MSM in this country when Japan is mentioned is telling, all right. Japan is a standing rebuke to the endless internal contradictions rife in MSM narratives. Can't have that.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @White Guy In Japan

    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was "turned in" to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who "turned it in" didn't want any reward.

    Replies: @mobi, @Anonymous

  43. @John Gruskos
    The Japanese are not only holding on to their own traditional ethnic homeland, they are also expanding by assimilating small minorities beyond the boundaries of the old Japanese homeland.

    The Ainu are one obvious example, but here is another:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Savory

    A group of White American men and their Hawaiian wives were the first colonists of the Bonin Islands (Iwo Jima, Chi Chi Jima etc.) in the 1830s, but they have since been utterly assimilated through intermarriage, after the Japanese annexed the islands.

    Their descendants no longer want to even admit that their ancestors included White Americans and Hawaiians, but some of the Japanese who fought against Americans during WW2, perhaps even some of those who fought on Iwo Jima, were descendants of Nathaniel Savory and his fellow White American colonists.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Cortes

  44. There were 8,727 more applications compared with 2016, when 28 people were granted refugee status.

    Like Harvard, Japan is becoming more and more selective. It’s good for the brand.

  45. According to the convention, a refugee is “someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.”

    But critics in and out of Japan say the government’s interpretation is too literal and strict.

    Takizawa said that the convention lags behind refugees’ changing circumstances around the world.

    “Regarding applicants who do not fit in the definition of a refugee, Japan should introduce a measure to give them legal protection, rather than a residence permit based on ‘humanitarian consideration,’” he said.

    According to the ministry, applications seeking refugee status were filed by individuals from 82 countries in 2017, most of them in Asia.

    The Philippines, at 4,895, topped the list of applications, followed by Vietnam, at 3,116; Sri Lanka, at 2,226; Indonesia at 2,038; and Nepal, at 1,450.

    Am I missing something? Is Manila not safe? Is Hanoi not safe? Is Colombo not safe? Is Jakarta not safe? Is Kathmandu a war zone? Doesn’t the Nepalese government famously have a citizen happiness index?

    All of these places are tourist destinations! Only some of these countries have on-going conflicts and they are confined to more rural areas, the big cities are fine.

    The entire massive increase from about 2012 onwards seems to come from economic migrants from other stable Asian countries. That the Philippines tops the list is hardly surprising given the emigration tradition it has developed over the last 40 years, as have all the other countries listed, except maybe Indonesia.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Altai

    45 Altai > Is Manila not safe?


    it's certainly safer than most of California, and Manila is the most dangerous place in the Philippines

    but that's not why I came here today.

    I came here today to mention that Japan ==does== have a fairly liberal policy about granting residency to people who can prove that they had a Japanese grandparent.

    Many of the beneficiarees are Filipinos, because Japanese, since the 1920's or so, like to retire to the warmer climate which isn't THAT far from Nippon itself.

    You arrive in Phils as a 63 year old guy, next thing you know you've knocked up some 23 year old province beauty.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  46. The Japanese remain stubbornly Japanese.

  47. Japan could solve their population problems by banning porn, contraception, and abortion for a couple of years.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @TelfoedJohn

    Never thought I'd say it, but perhaps they should also prohibit depiction of homosexual sex and other non-reproductive, disease-spreading perversions.

    Same with the glorification of the mentally ill and/or deeply emotionally troubled people who are being encouraged to be "transgender."

    In Japan, there are essentially only Japanese people, so abortions kill Japanese babies. By contrast, in the USA we would merely accelerate our decline into Hell by enforcing a ban on abortion: success on that issue would cause (over just two generations' time) the birth of tens of millions more babies to poor, uneducated, and often irresponsible & relatively unintelligent parents, disproportionately African and Mexican.

  48. @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.
     
    Tell that to the Koreans, Chinese and others in Asia. The Japanese do invasions quite well. But I get your point that in the post WW2 world they have ceased.

    However, if Japan would have held onto her gains and not lost WW2, would Japan itself today be overrun with foreigners?

    Replies: @snorlax

    Yup.

    BTW, WWII (and 1920s-30s) Japanese propaganda reads word-for-word identically to modern-day SJW/Critical Race Theory tracts. It’s really remarkable. I’d do a blog post on it if I had a blog.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @snorlax

    Supply the supporting documentation. Maybe Steve will cover it.

  49. @El Dato
    Meanwhile in Dutchland:

    From drug tolerance to ‘narco state’: Migrant gangs & hands-off policing threaten Dutch liberalism

    The Netherlands’ permissive drugs policy has been hailed worldwide, but immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a “parallel mafia society.” Yet they are not the only ones who created this crisis.

    A report by the Dutch police union based on interviews with 400 detectives, released last week, read less like a blueprint for tackling crime, but rather a concession of defeat.

    A sample of quotes from interviewees: “In 25 years, I’ve seen small dealers grow to large businessmen with respected investors [and] political connections.” “Five years ago a contract killer would cost €50,000 [US$61,000] now one can be found for €5,000. It’s supply and demand.” “The Netherlands has become a narco state in the past three decades. We do not see what remains invisible, but underground it has been growing.”

    ....


    A police report – even one titled A Cry for Help – is not likely to spark action, though at least unlike in Germany there is discussion unburdened by constraints of self-censorship.

    The above is essentially the platform of Geert Wilders Party for Freedom, which presents itself as a defender of Dutch liberalism, demanding both stricter deportations and tougher policing on one hand, and greater assimilation from migrant groups on the other. But even on the crest of a populist wave last year, the party received just 20 out of 150 seats in parliament, and remains firmly in opposition.
     

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Altai

    Can only have a high-trust society with high trust people.

  50. @Barnard
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I don't know if there are any good options for country of origin when it comes to refugees. They could probably do worse than that too.

    Replies: @snorlax

    North Korea, China, Ukraine, Lebanese Christians, white South Africans, secular Iranians.

    (None of whom are particularly desirable from the Japanese perspective, just better choices than Afghans).

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @snorlax

    How do they know the alleged Christians are not Muslims? Too risky (for Japan or us) to admit anyone from a Muslim-majority country for permanent settlement.

  51. There was an article in the Economist last week telling the naughty Chinese to stop being racist to Africans. They even complained (not making this up) about Chinese scientists using race, which everyone in the West knows has been disproven by science.

    Is that rag paywalled? If not I’d love to see the link. Usually TPTB are wise enough to ignore non-white racism, since they’re only actually worried about white racism, anyway.

    Japan will survive, China too, Russia probably, Poland and Hungary possibly, USA, Canada, Australia, France, UK & Germany not very likely.

    FIFY.

  52. @snorlax
    @istevefan

    Yup.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Population_of_Koreans_in_Japan.gif

    BTW, WWII (and 1920s-30s) Japanese propaganda reads word-for-word identically to modern-day SJW/Critical Race Theory tracts. It’s really remarkable. I’d do a blog post on it if I had a blog.

    Replies: @istevefan

    Supply the supporting documentation. Maybe Steve will cover it.

  53. @Chrisnonymous
    @Barnard

    No, he's correct. I live in Japan, and these honor-system alcohol vending machines exist. I've used them. There is one around the corner from my apartment.
    (BTW, the article you posted doesn't say they don't exist, it says they're changing.)

    And they are in fact a good example of why foreigners, like me, shouldn't be allowed to move here.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Truth

    The article is from 2001 so I figured the ID scanners would have been implemented by now. It is still hard to believe there are few underage drinkers using them, but maybe that is their culture.

  54. @mobi
    And still, they managed to find each other!


    Replies: @mobi

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @mobi

    I don't think those are Muslim refugees. It was some sort of protest or something in front of the Turkish embassy. I'm not sure who the brawlers were, whether they were Turks or Kurds or something.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  55. @RadicalCenter
    @DFH

    That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese ;)

    Or by some Muslim "Briton" who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    ==QUOTE== That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese 😉 Or by some Muslim “Briton” who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world. ==UNQUOTE==

    “Curry” favor? Isn’t that cultural appropriation? Kind of like this 1964 Japanese commercial that “Even an Indian will be surprised (at the good taste of S&B Curry)”:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Japanese curry for kari katsu is delicious but unrecognizably distinct from Indian stuff, you could never fail to tell then apart.

  56. @German_reader
    @RadicalCenter


    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
     
    Japan could develop nukes and ICBMs within a few months:
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-could-have-icbm-less-year-says-expert-24183
    Their "self-defense" forces also seem to be well-equipped and competent.

    They'll be fine as long as they stick to their policy of keeping out "refugees" and other aliens.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Diversity Heretic

    Fair point, and I’m checking out your link, thank you 🙂

    But when China grows strong and bold enough, and the USA weak enough, we can’t be sure that China will afford Japan those few months to develop nukes.

    Japan’s self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China, which can readily afford to lose several pilots, planes, soldiers, etc., for each one lost by Japan if they get into a life-or-death struggle.

    • Replies: @Rosh
    @RadicalCenter

    Why exactly would China want to conquer Japan? China has never won a war against Japan. In all the centuries when China was the preeminent world power, it never came close to conquering Japan. The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it. An extremely intelligent and cohesive island nation is exceedingly hard to conquer.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @bartok
    @RadicalCenter


    Japan’s self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China
     
    Please don't comment on iSteve if you know next to nothing about what you are talking about, re: non-nuclear combat.

    E.g., how does China's massive army reach Japan despite SDF resistance? By boat? Through Siberia? You fool.

    https://monocle.com/magazine/issues/1/naval-gazing/

  57. What’s more outrageous is to read something like this recent piece from Noah Smith. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-30/japan-wants-immigrants-the-feeling-isn-t-mutual

    Even as the Donald Trump administration tries to think up ways to keep talented foreigners out of the U.S., Japan is trying to lure them in. But it’s having trouble getting them to come.

    A lot of people think of Japan as an insular country, but that isn’t actually true. The number of foreigners living in Japan has risen a lot in recent years

    Noah Smith is being deliberately dishonest here. Japan is frequently cited by immigration restrictionists as a very insular country that works to preserve its mostly homogeneous ethnic nation state identity. Japan takes very low numbers of refugees and is extremely selective about the immigrants allowed in, and extremely aggressive about enforcing the immigration limits that it chooses. All of that is true. Noah Smith is flipping the story and writing an interpretation that is the opposite of reality for ideological reasons, to blunt the arguments of immigration restrictionists.

    Trump has consistently advocated moving the US to a skilled immigration system, like what Canada has. That would deliver more benefit to the US and existing citizens. Focusing on less skilled migrants in more dire situations, would generally deliver more value to the foreigners and less value to the US. Again, Noah Smith is flipping it. He’s arguing that Trump is trying to keep talented foreigners out, which is basically the opposite of what Trump has advocated.

    Also, Japan has stressed they are focusing on Asian immigrants, and their society has more naked obvious racism. Noah Smith is flipping it and presenting them as this non-selective, non-racial society.

  58. @TelfoedJohn
    Japan could solve their population problems by banning porn, contraception, and abortion for a couple of years.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Never thought I’d say it, but perhaps they should also prohibit depiction of homosexual sex and other non-reproductive, disease-spreading perversions.

    Same with the glorification of the mentally ill and/or deeply emotionally troubled people who are being encouraged to be “transgender.”

    In Japan, there are essentially only Japanese people, so abortions kill Japanese babies. By contrast, in the USA we would merely accelerate our decline into Hell by enforcing a ban on abortion: success on that issue would cause (over just two generations’ time) the birth of tens of millions more babies to poor, uneducated, and often irresponsible & relatively unintelligent parents, disproportionately African and Mexican.

  59. @snorlax
    @Barnard

    North Korea, China, Ukraine, Lebanese Christians, white South Africans, secular Iranians.

    (None of whom are particularly desirable from the Japanese perspective, just better choices than Afghans).

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    How do they know the alleged Christians are not Muslims? Too risky (for Japan or us) to admit anyone from a Muslim-majority country for permanent settlement.

  60. @Spud Boy
    I've been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, "what's to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?"

    He replied, "they just don't do it."

    That my friends, is a society.

    Replies: @Barnard, @White Guy In Japan, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Neoconned, @Truth

    If you believe that, then I ought to change my tag to Nigerian Prince and cut you in on this business deal I’ve got.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    It's as true as the day is long and also no surprise that this truth offends you.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    I suppose this tells me what I need to know about Nigerians.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  61. @DFH
    There was an article in the Economist last week telling the naughty Chinese to stop being racist to Africans. They even complained (not making this up) about Chinese scientists using race, which everyone in the West knows has been disproven by science.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Tenet, @Realist

    “They even complained (not making this up)”

    No, we know you are not making it up. You include that narcissistic phrase to show “Look, what I write is super special! So special that people can’t even believe it’s true!” It’s like laughing at your own jokes.

    Just leave it out it next time and simply write what you have to say.

  62. @RadicalCenter
    @German_reader

    Fair point, and I'm checking out your link, thank you :)

    But when China grows strong and bold enough, and the USA weak enough, we can't be sure that China will afford Japan those few months to develop nukes.

    Japan's self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China, which can readily afford to lose several pilots, planes, soldiers, etc., for each one lost by Japan if they get into a life-or-death struggle.

    Replies: @Rosh, @bartok

    Why exactly would China want to conquer Japan? China has never won a war against Japan. In all the centuries when China was the preeminent world power, it never came close to conquering Japan. The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it. An extremely intelligent and cohesive island nation is exceedingly hard to conquer.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rosh


    The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it.
     
    The Russians rolłed up the Japanese in Manchuria in 1945, and were about to take Hokkaido. The Japanese elite welcomed the A Bomb. It gave them a way to capitulate without losing face, and before the Soviets could occupy territory. Without the Bomb, Japan could have been divided like Korea and. Germany.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rosh

  63. @Altai

    According to the convention, a refugee is “someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.”

    But critics in and out of Japan say the government’s interpretation is too literal and strict.

    Takizawa said that the convention lags behind refugees’ changing circumstances around the world.

    “Regarding applicants who do not fit in the definition of a refugee, Japan should introduce a measure to give them legal protection, rather than a residence permit based on ‘humanitarian consideration,’” he said.

    According to the ministry, applications seeking refugee status were filed by individuals from 82 countries in 2017, most of them in Asia.

    The Philippines, at 4,895, topped the list of applications, followed by Vietnam, at 3,116; Sri Lanka, at 2,226; Indonesia at 2,038; and Nepal, at 1,450.
     

    Am I missing something? Is Manila not safe? Is Hanoi not safe? Is Colombo not safe? Is Jakarta not safe? Is Kathmandu a war zone? Doesn't the Nepalese government famously have a citizen happiness index?

    All of these places are tourist destinations! Only some of these countries have on-going conflicts and they are confined to more rural areas, the big cities are fine.

    The entire massive increase from about 2012 onwards seems to come from economic migrants from other stable Asian countries. That the Philippines tops the list is hardly surprising given the emigration tradition it has developed over the last 40 years, as have all the other countries listed, except maybe Indonesia.

    Replies: @Karl

    45 Altai > Is Manila not safe?

    it’s certainly safer than most of California, and Manila is the most dangerous place in the Philippines

    but that’s not why I came here today.

    I came here today to mention that Japan ==does== have a fairly liberal policy about granting residency to people who can prove that they had a Japanese grandparent.

    Many of the beneficiarees are Filipinos, because Japanese, since the 1920’s or so, like to retire to the warmer climate which isn’t THAT far from Nippon itself.

    You arrive in Phils as a 63 year old guy, next thing you know you’ve knocked up some 23 year old province beauty.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Karl


    You arrive in Phils as a 63 year old guy, next thing you know you’ve knocked up some 23 year old province beauty.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.:-) As a natalist, I heartily approve.
  64. @Ali Choudhury
    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don't want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can't think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @bartok, @Massimo Heitor, @Daniel Chieh

    My thanks to the other commentators for sniffing out Ali Choudhury’s feminist-neoliberal horseshit, that sounds like The Economist talking.

    Why do Japanese women have so few children? Let’s put it this way – why should they bother to have more than one or two? Selfishly, they get more leisure time to watch TV, the fewer children they have. And they watch plenty of TV / mobile phone entertainment. Rationally, they can invest more in fewer children, for tutoring, sports, perhaps private high school. Children are a financial burden, not a boon, in a welfare state. In modern first-world countries, money flows from parent to child – rarely does a child make a net contribution in the reverse direction.

    The free K-12 schools are not 100% free, there are extra expenses. Same with free healthcare, you need to save for extra cancer insurance and for cash gifts to surgeons and other specialists. “Onegaishimasu!”

    Plenty of expenses. Though the rent isn’t as damn high as it used to be, buying home is expensive b/c the Japanese are averse to ‘used homes’. They tear down and rebuild as a matter of course.

    The Japanese government has a easy solution to all of this, staring them in the face. Because the Japanese are so conscientious, the government needs only to dangle huge stacks of cash in front of “Baby, maybe?” married couples. Give the equivalent of $150k, cash, for each married couple’s third, fourth, etc. child. Index it to local cost of living so that city dwellers are tempted as well. Have the local mayor deliver it to the hospital room – politicians love to play Santa Kulasu.

    Instead, there is a mild subsidy to parents, handed out annually. Boring!

    The government doesn’t understand that they need to motivate reckless conception with huge cash stacks. Unlike in the US, reckless conception will be decidedly pro-social.

    Instead, the equivalent stacks of cash are squandered on bridges to nowhere. The politically-connected concrete companies should be reassured that a baby boom will require plenty of concrete, by-and-by. They need to sacrifice temporarily for the good of the nation.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    @bartok

    Thanks for the response Bartok. Other countries like France and Singapore have tried baby cash incentive schemes and wound them down as a) they are really expensive and b) they only tend to encourage the most economically marginal to have children which makes welfare costs go up dramatically. Right now Japan has the worst of both worlds, women who aren't socially allowed to work after marriage and women who refuse to have children because of the economic costs involved.

    It is the working culture that needs serious attention. The young are exploited by large corporations to work irregular, temp jobs and work an insane number of hours. That economic insecurity is a key reason they don't have babies.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/japan-mystery-low-birth-rate/534291/

    This isn't a case of a wise people voluntarily making their population smaller, it is down to a vicious cycle of exploitation.

    Replies: @European-American

  65. Stories like this make me wonder who really won WWII.

  66. @RadicalCenter
    @German_reader

    Fair point, and I'm checking out your link, thank you :)

    But when China grows strong and bold enough, and the USA weak enough, we can't be sure that China will afford Japan those few months to develop nukes.

    Japan's self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China, which can readily afford to lose several pilots, planes, soldiers, etc., for each one lost by Japan if they get into a life-or-death struggle.

    Replies: @Rosh, @bartok

    Japan’s self-defense forces can be quickly overwhelmed by China

    Please don’t comment on iSteve if you know next to nothing about what you are talking about, re: non-nuclear combat.

    E.g., how does China’s massive army reach Japan despite SDF resistance? By boat? Through Siberia? You fool.

    https://monocle.com/magazine/issues/1/naval-gazing/

  67. @Anonymous
    Japan: doesn't invade the world, thus doesn't invite the world.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Massimo Heitor

    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

    Japan invaded the US! Japan invaded China, Korea, and India! Japan was the biggest ally of the Nazis; the actual Nazis. Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.

    • Replies: @jlee0
    @Massimo Heitor

    "Japan invaded the US!" Which part of the US? The Aleutians? And this caused the fall of the West Coast, right? And who was in front of Japanese troops when they "invaded" India? The Indian National Army.
    That Japan was the biggest ally o the Nazis is in fact a lie: Hitler hated the Japanese.

    Buchanan states as such in his book as well
    https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitler-Unnecessary-War-Britain-ebook/dp/B0011UGM3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519725650&sr=8-1&keywords=churchill+hitler+buchanan

    Please read a book.
    You're welcome.

    , @üeljang
    @Massimo Heitor

    "Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy."

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don't give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them. They certainly would not be swayed by complaints that their assessment of credibility in claims for refugee protection is too strict. What are you suggesting? That they ought to be more lax in their judgment and allow fake "refugees" to infiltrate their country? You must be either a perfect imbecile or a poorly disguised hostile agent.

    You underestimate how cynical and mean-spirited the Japanese are.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  68. @mobi
    @mobi

    https://youtu.be/4aNoZt77dnk

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t think those are Muslim refugees. It was some sort of protest or something in front of the Turkish embassy. I’m not sure who the brawlers were, whether they were Turks or Kurds or something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The important thing to know about them is that you shouldn't have them in your country.

  69. @Old Palo Altan
    How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure - and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @scrivener3, @Corvinus

    “How smugly (and rightly) pleased with themselves must the Japanese be as they watch their victorious enemy of 1945 destroy itself through ideologically driven mass immigration while they keep their superior stock pure – and ready to step into the vaccuum we will leave behind.”

    You mean mass immigration driven by capitalism. And as far as keeping our “superior stock pure”, that notion went out the window when the English were overrun by the non-English in the Thirteen Colonies.

  70. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @RadicalCenter

    ==QUOTE== That will stop when The Economist is bought out by the Chinese ;) Or by some Muslim “Briton” who wants to curry favor with the new Chinese overlords of the world. ==UNQUOTE==

    "Curry" favor? Isn't that cultural appropriation? Kind of like this 1964 Japanese commercial that "Even an Indian will be surprised (at the good taste of S&B Curry)":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSm0KUlcK-E

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Japanese curry for kari katsu is delicious but unrecognizably distinct from Indian stuff, you could never fail to tell then apart.

  71. I just love the ornery Japanese.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m a resident of Japan … technically, I’m an immigrant to Japan, with an immigrant visa, having lived half my life here.

    Yesterday in front of my train station there was a group of nice Japanese collecting money for or otherwise promoting an outfit called the OHCHR. There were posters of migrants in boats or along roads, with captions like “They just want to get to Europe.” There were no blacks in the photos, and many children. I wish I had stopped to chat with the folks to figure out what they were doing, but I kind of felt that my true feelings would come through and poison the mood. There are several far-left political parties in Japan, so I assume this had something to do with that.

    In the mainstream media there is zero attention paid to immigrant applicants to Japan or numbers accepted. I don’t think anyone cares. On the other hand, the nationality of criminals or criminal suspects is gleefully reported. A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar. The news is reporting on the details of how he transported each severed body part to each disposal location, with detailed map graphics. Unfortunately, he left the head for last, and the police were on to him by then and found it in his apartment.

    Japanese are really nice, and in theory you could jujitsu this to convince them to admit poor, suffering migrants, but the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar.
     
    Funny how you call him a "New Yorker" as I notice the MSM is careful to refer to him as an 'American'. He's definitely got one of those salt-of-the-earth midwestern monikers.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    " the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it"

    It must be owned and run by ethnic Japanese.

    , @LondonBob
    @Anonymous

    Amazing what can happen when the national media of a country reflects the demographic make up of that country and it isn't stuffed with a minority with high verbal IQ fanatically dedicated to unlimited immigration of all sorts.

    I was at a party with two half Japanese and half Europeans, they both complained that when in Japan they just weren't accepted at all, Japanese are much more xenophobic, even allowing for the absence of a hostile dominant minority in their country.

    , @al gore rhythms
    @Anonymous

    So the Japanese far left raise money for migrants to get to Europe?

    I suppose I admire them for not taking a dump on their own doorstep. But as a European, could you ask them next time not to pay for people to come and take a dump on mine?

  73. If only India could be more like Japan!

    redpillindian.blogspot.com

  74. @bartok
    @Ali Choudhury

    My thanks to the other commentators for sniffing out Ali Choudhury's feminist-neoliberal horseshit, that sounds like The Economist talking.

    Why do Japanese women have so few children? Let's put it this way - why should they bother to have more than one or two? Selfishly, they get more leisure time to watch TV, the fewer children they have. And they watch plenty of TV / mobile phone entertainment. Rationally, they can invest more in fewer children, for tutoring, sports, perhaps private high school. Children are a financial burden, not a boon, in a welfare state. In modern first-world countries, money flows from parent to child - rarely does a child make a net contribution in the reverse direction.

    The free K-12 schools are not 100% free, there are extra expenses. Same with free healthcare, you need to save for extra cancer insurance and for cash gifts to surgeons and other specialists. "Onegaishimasu!"

    Plenty of expenses. Though the rent isn't as damn high as it used to be, buying home is expensive b/c the Japanese are averse to 'used homes'. They tear down and rebuild as a matter of course.

    The Japanese government has a easy solution to all of this, staring them in the face. Because the Japanese are so conscientious, the government needs only to dangle huge stacks of cash in front of "Baby, maybe?" married couples. Give the equivalent of $150k, cash, for each married couple's third, fourth, etc. child. Index it to local cost of living so that city dwellers are tempted as well. Have the local mayor deliver it to the hospital room - politicians love to play Santa Kulasu.

    Instead, there is a mild subsidy to parents, handed out annually. Boring!

    The government doesn't understand that they need to motivate reckless conception with huge cash stacks. Unlike in the US, reckless conception will be decidedly pro-social.

    Instead, the equivalent stacks of cash are squandered on bridges to nowhere. The politically-connected concrete companies should be reassured that a baby boom will require plenty of concrete, by-and-by. They need to sacrifice temporarily for the good of the nation.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury

    Thanks for the response Bartok. Other countries like France and Singapore have tried baby cash incentive schemes and wound them down as a) they are really expensive and b) they only tend to encourage the most economically marginal to have children which makes welfare costs go up dramatically. Right now Japan has the worst of both worlds, women who aren’t socially allowed to work after marriage and women who refuse to have children because of the economic costs involved.

    It is the working culture that needs serious attention. The young are exploited by large corporations to work irregular, temp jobs and work an insane number of hours. That economic insecurity is a key reason they don’t have babies.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/japan-mystery-low-birth-rate/534291/

    This isn’t a case of a wise people voluntarily making their population smaller, it is down to a vicious cycle of exploitation.

    • Replies: @European-American
    @Ali Choudhury

    Similar in Taiwan. Low salaries, hard work culture, few good jobs. Real estate prohibitively expensive for young couples.

    Same problems in South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong?...

    For whatever reason, the smartest countries are also the ones with the lowest birth rates.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268083/countries-with-the-lowest-fertility-rates/

    And China has the same birth rate problem. Its mega cities have crazy low birth rates, but remain somewhat healthy due to... massive immigration. From inside China, of course.
    https://www.economist.com/news/china/21729573-no-province-has-many-babies-some-shortfalls-are-much-worse-others-chinas-demographic

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Japan accepts foreigners on non-immigrant visas, but they have reasonably tough requirements for that, the same as the United States. And as a matter of treaty reciprocity, the nationals of countries like Canada and Australia can come to Japan for a half a year and work part time. Also, a normal 90-day visitor visa is granted no questions asked if there is treaty reciprocity (there isn’t with the U.S.). This has been abused, but the Japanese have decent computer systems to track visitors: An overseas freelancer journalist was famoustly bounced out at Narita a few years ago for coming into the country on his fourth or so sequential 90-day tourist visa. He conned the Economist into writing a scathing and xenophobic article on this incident, before the visa scam was revealed, and eventually got back in by applying for a proper journalism visa at the consulate in his country.

    Japan also has a lot of sub-Saharan construction workers who come here on tourist visas to work. The authorities look the other way. Japanese don’t want to do 3K jobs, which stands for kitsui, kitanai, kiken, or hard, dirty, and dangerous. (Hilariously, the former name for these jobs was KKK, but someone pointed out the meaning overseas.) These workers can be expelled at any time, of course. The authorities just have to notice that they are there and round them up. Various economic pressures and government-industry relations with the construction industry have worked to inhibit noticing. A couple of severed-head murders might change that.

    Japan, like most every country except the United States, has no problem expelling illegals when they feel like it. A few years ago there was a widely reported explusion of a Filipino woman and her junior high age daughter, who only spoke Japanese. The daughter was popular at school, and the authorities allowed them to stay just long enough for the media to air distraught pleas from her classmates before sending them back. My feeling was that they wanted to send a message.

    If you follow the news, you’ll see reports of similar deportations from Australia and Canada, particularly in the case where a family member would incur especially high government subsidized lifetime medical or care bills.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Basically right, but some of this is out of date. For example, US citizens do get visa-on-arrival tourist visa with no questions asked.

    Also, there's no "immigrant visa." Maybe you're on Permanent Residency visa? If so, you're still not an immigrant. Sorry.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  76. @Spud Boy
    I've been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, "what's to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?"

    He replied, "they just don't do it."

    That my friends, is a society.

    Replies: @Barnard, @White Guy In Japan, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Neoconned, @Truth

    I’m very seriously considering retiring to suburban Tokyo in my 50s, if I live that long….the safe streets being one of the main lures….

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Neoconned

    You can't, Sport. They don't take refugees from inferior populations.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  77. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Spud Boy

    If you believe that, then I ought to change my tag to Nigerian Prince and cut you in on this business deal I've got.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    It’s as true as the day is long and also no surprise that this truth offends you.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Anonymous

    So a half-truth then. Those who buy just ain't caught.

    Why would a tall tale offend me? What next will? big foot's existence...

    Unlike your children--soldiers aside of course-- I'm no snowflake.

  78. @White Guy In Japan
    @Spud Boy

    Also, if you lose your wallet or purse, 99% chance it will be turned in to the police and returned to you. Cash intact. That is civilization with a capital "C".

    @Barnard
    I have never seen ID scan required for beer/sake vending machines. Cigarette machines, yes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    Japan is close to being a nation which does everything right. Not perfect–what’s perfect? But the ire in the MSM in this country when Japan is mentioned is telling, all right. Japan is a standing rebuke to the endless internal contradictions rife in MSM narratives. Can’t have that.

  79. @al gore rhythms
    @Flip

    And me. There's something about the Japanese that reminds me of Scandinavians. In another universe I could imagine a contemporary Sweden as being something like modern Japan. I think many Sailerites and alt-righters would give the same answer, too.

    But it makes me wonder what other ethnic groups people here would choose to be, and for what reasons?

    'Jew' would be an obvious answer for all sorts of comedy and genuine reasons. But who else? The choices are pretty thin.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    And me. And BTW the “Jew” thing only works if your mom’s a shiksa and your dad’s a billionaire. Then I guess it’s worth it.

  80. @RadicalCenter
    @Old Palo Altan

    The Japs may find themselves high on the list for historical retribution as China thoroughly eclipses the USA and Europe (COMBINED) in economic and military might.

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn't acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anonymous, @Daniel Chieh

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Well, there is one country exactly midway between China and Japan, and it already has nukes and delivery systems. Granted there may be a complication or two, but still.

  81. @Anonymous
    @mobi

    I don't think those are Muslim refugees. It was some sort of protest or something in front of the Turkish embassy. I'm not sure who the brawlers were, whether they were Turks or Kurds or something.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The important thing to know about them is that you shouldn’t have them in your country.

  82. @Rosh
    @RadicalCenter

    Why exactly would China want to conquer Japan? China has never won a war against Japan. In all the centuries when China was the preeminent world power, it never came close to conquering Japan. The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it. An extremely intelligent and cohesive island nation is exceedingly hard to conquer.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it.

    The Russians rolłed up the Japanese in Manchuria in 1945, and were about to take Hokkaido. The Japanese elite welcomed the A Bomb. It gave them a way to capitulate without losing face, and before the Soviets could occupy territory. Without the Bomb, Japan could have been divided like Korea and. Germany.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    and were about to take Hokkaido

    How?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @Rosh
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Why are Russian propagandists so tedious and irksome? There is zero evidence that the Japanese surrendered because they were afraid of Soviets. Only a people as defective as Russians would consider it a proud accomplishment to steal some cold rocky islands from a country that just got nuclear bombs dropped on it. Japan and Russia fought a one-on-one war once, and Russia got embarrassed.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  83. When you board an ANA flight, the first thing you notice is that all the flight attendants are Japanese. No ‘diversity’ token recruitment there. And the in-flight service is stellar. Same thing at the airports in Tokyo – they look and feel First World, reminiscent of what the USA used to be pre-1990.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @MG

    ANA is my favourite airline:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltQLETqeYkA

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @MG

    Whereas you arrive in London and most of the Heathrow workforce are Asian or black. It's hard to tell a London immigration desk from a Delhi one.

    , @Anon87
    @MG

    When faced with ANA or United, always take ANA!!

    , @Twinkie
    @MG

    Singapore Airlines is multi-ethnic and it’s service is even better than that of ANA.

  84. the relevant question is: what happens to the approx. 20 000 applicants who do not granted refugee status?
    At least in Germany the real problem is not the acceptance of refugees, but the fact almost everybody who enters Germany once claiming to be a refugee will never leave Germany again (apart from traveling).

  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm a resident of Japan ... technically, I'm an immigrant to Japan, with an immigrant visa, having lived half my life here.

    Yesterday in front of my train station there was a group of nice Japanese collecting money for or otherwise promoting an outfit called the OHCHR. There were posters of migrants in boats or along roads, with captions like "They just want to get to Europe." There were no blacks in the photos, and many children. I wish I had stopped to chat with the folks to figure out what they were doing, but I kind of felt that my true feelings would come through and poison the mood. There are several far-left political parties in Japan, so I assume this had something to do with that.

    In the mainstream media there is zero attention paid to immigrant applicants to Japan or numbers accepted. I don't think anyone cares. On the other hand, the nationality of criminals or criminal suspects is gleefully reported. A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar. The news is reporting on the details of how he transported each severed body part to each disposal location, with detailed map graphics. Unfortunately, he left the head for last, and the police were on to him by then and found it in his apartment.

    Japanese are really nice, and in theory you could jujitsu this to convince them to admit poor, suffering migrants, but the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @LondonBob, @al gore rhythms

    A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar.

    Funny how you call him a “New Yorker” as I notice the MSM is careful to refer to him as an ‘American’. He’s definitely got one of those salt-of-the-earth midwestern monikers.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Indeed.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5438589/American-man-leads-police-body-parts-Japanese-woman.html
    This article ends thus:


    On Monday reporters from a flurry of news stations from around the world were on the block of Mastic Beach in Long Island where Bayraktar lived. He moved there with his mother and her husband about a decade ago, neighbor Luanne Pisano told the New York Daily News.

    'He seemed OK, I didn't really talk to him,' Pisano said, explaining that she was stunned by the allegations.

    'It scares me. I have a daughter... These days you can't tell who's who.'

    Nippon TV reported that the man's parents denied allegations, and said Bayraktar had always dreamed about marrying a Japanese woman.

    Another neighbor John Motovidlak said Bayraktar's family was friendly, and 'beautiful people.'

    'They wave, they smile and say "good evening,'
    " he told NBC 4.
     
    You don't describe core American as good because they smile, wave, and say good evening. You describe foreigners that way--i.e., they weren't really Americans even though the MSM isn't reporting that.

    Incidentally, my girlfriend is from near where he buried the victim's legs. She calls him an American, too, to my great chagrin.
  86. @German_reader
    @RadicalCenter


    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
     
    Japan could develop nukes and ICBMs within a few months:
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-could-have-icbm-less-year-says-expert-24183
    Their "self-defense" forces also seem to be well-equipped and competent.

    They'll be fine as long as they stick to their policy of keeping out "refugees" and other aliens.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Diversity Heretic

    I used to work on Capitol Hill and had responsibilities vis-à-vis the nuclear weapons facilities of the Department of Energy. In the 1990s DOE told us that Japan could have a nuclear weapon within six weeks of a political decision to acquire one. The Japanese are quite familiar with plutonium from their breeder reactor program and the explosive lenses necessary to achieve a controlled implosion are well within the capabilities of today’s commercial blasting technology. I don’t know how many nuclear weapons the Japanese could have or how they would plan to deliver them.

    I think a Chinese invasion of Japan is very unlikely. China tends to be quite restrained in its foreign policy except when it considers something to be a domestic matter (e.g., Taiwan or Tibet).

    By the way, I always appreciate and look forward to your comments!

  87. @RadicalCenter
    @Old Palo Altan

    The Japs may find themselves high on the list for historical retribution as China thoroughly eclipses the USA and Europe (COMBINED) in economic and military might.

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn't acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anonymous, @Daniel Chieh

    Who is going to stop China from taking Japan, particularly if Japan doesn’t acquire nuclear weapons and delivery systems?

    There’s no point.

  88. A close Japanese friend recently got their results back from 23andme.

    Mostly Japanese, of course. But..

    You most likely had a fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Native American. This person was likely born between 1700 and 1790.

    Any ideas are appreciated.

    My guess is that the Dutch East India Company chartered American ships in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s apparently and one of these had an Indian amongst the crew who jumped off in Japan and pretended to be Ainu or something.

    Or is there the possibility that 23andme screwed something up, or something? They said that there was no haplogroup connected to this ancestor.

    It’s a curious result.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @wren

    I would guess that it is reflecting shared Siberian ancestry in north Asians and American Indians.

    , @Anon87
    @wren

    Was that from the default 50% confidence data? That's mostly junk and noise. Adjust it to 90% and see if that ancestry goes away.

  89. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rosh


    The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it.
     
    The Russians rolłed up the Japanese in Manchuria in 1945, and were about to take Hokkaido. The Japanese elite welcomed the A Bomb. It gave them a way to capitulate without losing face, and before the Soviets could occupy territory. Without the Bomb, Japan could have been divided like Korea and. Germany.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rosh

    and were about to take Hokkaido

    How?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Steve Sailer

    Hokkaido was originally the next step in the Soviet battle plan after they took South Sakhalin. It would have been much easier to invade than Honshu and was far less well defended, especially by August 1945. It was not a major logistical effort to ferry troops there from Sakhalin. Admiral Yumashev had invasion plans drawn up,and the Soviets were already doing reconnaissance along the coast when Japan surrendered. The Soviets even wanted to occupy Hokkaido after the surrender, but Truman put his foot down and told them to stay in Sakhalin. Stalin was supposedly pretty miffed about that, but we had the bomb at that point and the USSR didn't.

    There are a number of Japanese who believe to this day the spectre of Soviet occupation was more scary to the Japanese than the bomb and was real reason the Emperor surrendered. The fate of Korea proved that the Japanese were prescient.

  90. • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    The Russians would have ferried some troops to post-war Japan if they were allowed to, but they didn't intend to invade Japan against either Japanese or American opposition. Their military wasn't set up for that.

    Replies: @jlee1, @Peter Akuleyev, @wren

  91. @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    and were about to take Hokkaido

    How?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Hokkaido was originally the next step in the Soviet battle plan after they took South Sakhalin. It would have been much easier to invade than Honshu and was far less well defended, especially by August 1945. It was not a major logistical effort to ferry troops there from Sakhalin. Admiral Yumashev had invasion plans drawn up,and the Soviets were already doing reconnaissance along the coast when Japan surrendered. The Soviets even wanted to occupy Hokkaido after the surrender, but Truman put his foot down and told them to stay in Sakhalin. Stalin was supposedly pretty miffed about that, but we had the bomb at that point and the USSR didn’t.

    There are a number of Japanese who believe to this day the spectre of Soviet occupation was more scary to the Japanese than the bomb and was real reason the Emperor surrendered. The fate of Korea proved that the Japanese were prescient.

  92. @wren
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/05/stalin_japan_hiroshima_occupation_hokkaido/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Russians would have ferried some troops to post-war Japan if they were allowed to, but they didn’t intend to invade Japan against either Japanese or American opposition. Their military wasn’t set up for that.

    • Replies: @jlee1
    @Steve Sailer

    guess the taking of the Northern Territories, after Japan surrendered, was not a Russian invasion.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Steve Sailer

    Their military wasn’t set up for that.

    Based on what? The Soviets certainly did not want to challenge the Americans, but ferrying over experienced Soviet troops to roll over the remnants of the Japanese Imperial Army in 1945 would have been easy pickings. Especially since Soviet air superiority over Hokkaido would have been immense by that point.

    The Japanese were very afraid of the Soviets. The Soviets beat the Japanese decisively in 1939 at Khalkin Gol, which is one reason the Japanese decided they were better off attacking the Americans than joining Hitler against the USSR. The Japanese Navy was good, but the land Army was not particularly good, and spoiled by years of occupying China.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    , @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    That Foreign Policy article includes a link to some original plans to invade Hokkaido, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/122335

    I don't know the provenance of the document, nor whether it was actually the kind of military contingency plan that militaries always have to have ready should a politician suddenly ask them to do something, but according to the article, the guy who wrote it was disappointed that they didn't try to take Hokkaido. He later became the "Soviet Minister of the Navy."

    According to the article, too, Stalin later regretted that he hadn't taken Hokkaido. He didn't care about Yalta by 1950.

    Anyway, Stalin never sent the go-ahead.

    Thank goodness.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  93. @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

     

    Japan invaded the US! Japan invaded China, Korea, and India! Japan was the biggest ally of the Nazis; the actual Nazis. Since WW2, Japan hasn't been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.

    Replies: @jlee0, @üeljang

    “Japan invaded the US!” Which part of the US? The Aleutians? And this caused the fall of the West Coast, right? And who was in front of Japanese troops when they “invaded” India? The Indian National Army.
    That Japan was the biggest ally o the Nazis is in fact a lie: Hitler hated the Japanese.

    Buchanan states as such in his book as well

    Please read a book.
    You’re welcome.

  94. @MG
    When you board an ANA flight, the first thing you notice is that all the flight attendants are Japanese. No ‘diversity’ token recruitment there. And the in-flight service is stellar. Same thing at the airports in Tokyo - they look and feel First World, reminiscent of what the USA used to be pre-1990.

    Replies: @jim jones, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon87, @Twinkie

    ANA is my favourite airline:

  95. @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    The Russians would have ferried some troops to post-war Japan if they were allowed to, but they didn't intend to invade Japan against either Japanese or American opposition. Their military wasn't set up for that.

    Replies: @jlee1, @Peter Akuleyev, @wren

    guess the taking of the Northern Territories, after Japan surrendered, was not a Russian invasion.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jlee1

    That was agreed to at Yalta.

    Replies: @jlee1

  96. @DFH
    There was an article in the Economist last week telling the naughty Chinese to stop being racist to Africans. They even complained (not making this up) about Chinese scientists using race, which everyone in the West knows has been disproven by science.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Tenet, @Realist

    If only Western countries were as intelligent as east Asian countries….we would have slammed the door shut decades ago.

  97. @Anonymous
    I'm a resident of Japan ... technically, I'm an immigrant to Japan, with an immigrant visa, having lived half my life here.

    Yesterday in front of my train station there was a group of nice Japanese collecting money for or otherwise promoting an outfit called the OHCHR. There were posters of migrants in boats or along roads, with captions like "They just want to get to Europe." There were no blacks in the photos, and many children. I wish I had stopped to chat with the folks to figure out what they were doing, but I kind of felt that my true feelings would come through and poison the mood. There are several far-left political parties in Japan, so I assume this had something to do with that.

    In the mainstream media there is zero attention paid to immigrant applicants to Japan or numbers accepted. I don't think anyone cares. On the other hand, the nationality of criminals or criminal suspects is gleefully reported. A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar. The news is reporting on the details of how he transported each severed body part to each disposal location, with detailed map graphics. Unfortunately, he left the head for last, and the police were on to him by then and found it in his apartment.

    Japanese are really nice, and in theory you could jujitsu this to convince them to admit poor, suffering migrants, but the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @LondonBob, @al gore rhythms

    ” the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it”

    It must be owned and run by ethnic Japanese.

  98. @MG
    When you board an ANA flight, the first thing you notice is that all the flight attendants are Japanese. No ‘diversity’ token recruitment there. And the in-flight service is stellar. Same thing at the airports in Tokyo - they look and feel First World, reminiscent of what the USA used to be pre-1990.

    Replies: @jim jones, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon87, @Twinkie

    Whereas you arrive in London and most of the Heathrow workforce are Asian or black. It’s hard to tell a London immigration desk from a Delhi one.

  99. @jlee1
    @Steve Sailer

    guess the taking of the Northern Territories, after Japan surrendered, was not a Russian invasion.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That was agreed to at Yalta.

    • Replies: @jlee1
    @Steve Sailer

    , which was a secret agreement, not a treaty.
    E.g. "Hey Steve. My brother & and I secretly agreed that we now own your house. Now get out."

  100. @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Japan: doesn’t invade the world, thus doesn’t invite the world.

     

    Japan invaded the US! Japan invaded China, Korea, and India! Japan was the biggest ally of the Nazis; the actual Nazis. Since WW2, Japan hasn't been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.

    Replies: @jlee0, @üeljang

    “Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.”

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don’t give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them. They certainly would not be swayed by complaints that their assessment of credibility in claims for refugee protection is too strict. What are you suggesting? That they ought to be more lax in their judgment and allow fake “refugees” to infiltrate their country? You must be either a perfect imbecile or a poorly disguised hostile agent.

    You underestimate how cynical and mean-spirited the Japanese are.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @üeljang


    “Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.”

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?
     
    Who pushed the immigration and multicultural initiatives on the US and Europe? It wasn't one agency, it was a modest number of powerful western elites who were passionate about their agenda and got broader cultural buy in.

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don’t give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them.

     

    That may be true. But the simple fact is that Japan has not faced the aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare that have targeted the US and Europe.

    I suspect, the broad left needs to keep their message simple, they have built narratives and this aggressive repeated rhetoric promoting ethnic white villains and racism. I don't think it's in their interest to confuse this messaging with non-white villains.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  101. @Anonymous
    I'm a resident of Japan ... technically, I'm an immigrant to Japan, with an immigrant visa, having lived half my life here.

    Yesterday in front of my train station there was a group of nice Japanese collecting money for or otherwise promoting an outfit called the OHCHR. There were posters of migrants in boats or along roads, with captions like "They just want to get to Europe." There were no blacks in the photos, and many children. I wish I had stopped to chat with the folks to figure out what they were doing, but I kind of felt that my true feelings would come through and poison the mood. There are several far-left political parties in Japan, so I assume this had something to do with that.

    In the mainstream media there is zero attention paid to immigrant applicants to Japan or numbers accepted. I don't think anyone cares. On the other hand, the nationality of criminals or criminal suspects is gleefully reported. A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar. The news is reporting on the details of how he transported each severed body part to each disposal location, with detailed map graphics. Unfortunately, he left the head for last, and the police were on to him by then and found it in his apartment.

    Japanese are really nice, and in theory you could jujitsu this to convince them to admit poor, suffering migrants, but the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @LondonBob, @al gore rhythms

    Amazing what can happen when the national media of a country reflects the demographic make up of that country and it isn’t stuffed with a minority with high verbal IQ fanatically dedicated to unlimited immigration of all sorts.

    I was at a party with two half Japanese and half Europeans, they both complained that when in Japan they just weren’t accepted at all, Japanese are much more xenophobic, even allowing for the absence of a hostile dominant minority in their country.

  102. Diversity Heretic says:
    February 27, 2018 at 7:03 am GMT • 100 Words

    “I used to work on Capitol Hill and had responsibilities vis-à-vis the nuclear weapons facilities of the Department of Energy. In the 1990s DOE told us that Japan could have a nuclear weapon within six weeks of a political decision to acquire one. The Japanese are quite familiar with plutonium from their breeder reactor program and the explosive lenses necessary to achieve a controlled implosion are well within the capabilities of today’s commercial blasting technology. I don’t know how many nuclear weapons the Japanese could have or how they would plan to deliver them.”

    It’s called having a ‘Bomb in the basement’ Japan’s sitting on a mountain of Plutonium designed to run fast breeder reactors which don’t exist.

    http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-plutonium-proliferation-energy/

  103. @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    The Russians would have ferried some troops to post-war Japan if they were allowed to, but they didn't intend to invade Japan against either Japanese or American opposition. Their military wasn't set up for that.

    Replies: @jlee1, @Peter Akuleyev, @wren

    Their military wasn’t set up for that.

    Based on what? The Soviets certainly did not want to challenge the Americans, but ferrying over experienced Soviet troops to roll over the remnants of the Japanese Imperial Army in 1945 would have been easy pickings. Especially since Soviet air superiority over Hokkaido would have been immense by that point.

    The Japanese were very afraid of the Soviets. The Soviets beat the Japanese decisively in 1939 at Khalkin Gol, which is one reason the Japanese decided they were better off attacking the Americans than joining Hitler against the USSR. The Japanese Navy was good, but the land Army was not particularly good, and spoiled by years of occupying China.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Whole divisions surrendered without a shot being fired when "confronted" with platoons from the Soviet army vanguard. Amazing. No 'spirit of Bushido' when the Japanese met the mongol horde.

  104. Japan maintains tough stance on refugees, only 20 accepted in 2017

    Even so, refugees managed to gang rape a native (though in 2016, when admittedly there were 28 of them).

    https://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/02/22/tokyo-cops-arrest-turkish-asylum-seekers-in-gang-rape-of-woman/

  105. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar.
     
    Funny how you call him a "New Yorker" as I notice the MSM is careful to refer to him as an 'American'. He's definitely got one of those salt-of-the-earth midwestern monikers.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Indeed.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5438589/American-man-leads-police-body-parts-Japanese-woman.html
    This article ends thus:

    On Monday reporters from a flurry of news stations from around the world were on the block of Mastic Beach in Long Island where Bayraktar lived. He moved there with his mother and her husband about a decade ago, neighbor Luanne Pisano told the New York Daily News.

    ‘He seemed OK, I didn’t really talk to him,’ Pisano said, explaining that she was stunned by the allegations.

    ‘It scares me. I have a daughter… These days you can’t tell who’s who.’

    Nippon TV reported that the man’s parents denied allegations, and said Bayraktar had always dreamed about marrying a Japanese woman.

    Another neighbor John Motovidlak said Bayraktar’s family was friendly, and ‘beautiful people.’

    ‘They wave, they smile and say “good evening,’” he told NBC 4.

    You don’t describe core American as good because they smile, wave, and say good evening. You describe foreigners that way–i.e., they weren’t really Americans even though the MSM isn’t reporting that.

    Incidentally, my girlfriend is from near where he buried the victim’s legs. She calls him an American, too, to my great chagrin.

  106. @Anonymous
    Japan accepts foreigners on non-immigrant visas, but they have reasonably tough requirements for that, the same as the United States. And as a matter of treaty reciprocity, the nationals of countries like Canada and Australia can come to Japan for a half a year and work part time. Also, a normal 90-day visitor visa is granted no questions asked if there is treaty reciprocity (there isn't with the U.S.). This has been abused, but the Japanese have decent computer systems to track visitors: An overseas freelancer journalist was famoustly bounced out at Narita a few years ago for coming into the country on his fourth or so sequential 90-day tourist visa. He conned the Economist into writing a scathing and xenophobic article on this incident, before the visa scam was revealed, and eventually got back in by applying for a proper journalism visa at the consulate in his country.

    Japan also has a lot of sub-Saharan construction workers who come here on tourist visas to work. The authorities look the other way. Japanese don't want to do 3K jobs, which stands for kitsui, kitanai, kiken, or hard, dirty, and dangerous. (Hilariously, the former name for these jobs was KKK, but someone pointed out the meaning overseas.) These workers can be expelled at any time, of course. The authorities just have to notice that they are there and round them up. Various economic pressures and government-industry relations with the construction industry have worked to inhibit noticing. A couple of severed-head murders might change that.

    Japan, like most every country except the United States, has no problem expelling illegals when they feel like it. A few years ago there was a widely reported explusion of a Filipino woman and her junior high age daughter, who only spoke Japanese. The daughter was popular at school, and the authorities allowed them to stay just long enough for the media to air distraught pleas from her classmates before sending them back. My feeling was that they wanted to send a message.

    If you follow the news, you'll see reports of similar deportations from Australia and Canada, particularly in the case where a family member would incur especially high government subsidized lifetime medical or care bills.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Basically right, but some of this is out of date. For example, US citizens do get visa-on-arrival tourist visa with no questions asked.

    Also, there’s no “immigrant visa.” Maybe you’re on Permanent Residency visa? If so, you’re still not an immigrant. Sorry.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Chrisnonymous

    My Japanese visa is an "eijyu" visa, or 永住許可. This would be the equivalent in Japan of a United States unsponsored permanent residency visa. Unsponsored green cards such as diversity visas (type DV) are like this.

    A permanent residency visa is obviously not a non-immigrant visa ... so it's an immigrant visa. There is no specific "immigrant" category outside the visa system in either United States or Japanese law. In Japanese immigration law there is a special category of permanent residency equivalent to citizenship that is given to Korean-origin residents who for reasons of conscience do not want to take Japanese citizenship. But that's the only thing between an eijyu visa and naturalization. The status of immigrant does not imply or require citizenship. It implies the intent to remain permanently and the recognition of that by the govenmental authorities. Non-immigrant visas on the other hand are awarded on assertion of the person receiving them that he will return to his home country eventually. Of course, outside of immigration law there is a more general, loose, "Merriam-Webster" meaning of immigrant.

    This is the complete list of immigration status categories, using U.S. terminology:

    - Illegal alien (rude, but still the statutory term)

    - Refugee or Asylee Applicant

    - Refugee (a status limited to one year, during which you have to apply for immigrant status)

    - Asylee (indefinite term)

    - Non-immigrant (a huge category, complete list here: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/all-visa-categories.html

    - Immigrant (list also at above URL)

    - Naturalized citizen

    - Citizen (native born or statutory)

  107. I seem to recall reading that NY Times owns Asahi Shimbun, but I did not see anything about it from searching for 2 minutes.

    The Economist cannot write two words about Japan without bitching about immigration. I think they are jealous that the Japanese get to keep their country while the UK gets flushed into a sewer.

  108. @White Guy In Japan
    @Spud Boy

    Also, if you lose your wallet or purse, 99% chance it will be turned in to the police and returned to you. Cash intact. That is civilization with a capital "C".

    @Barnard
    I have never seen ID scan required for beer/sake vending machines. Cigarette machines, yes.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was “turned in” to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who “turned it in” didn’t want any reward.

    • Replies: @mobi
    @Chrisnonymous


    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was “turned in” to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who “turned it in” didn’t want any reward.
     
    I surveyed my Korean adult students more than once on 'what would Koreans do with a found wallet'. Almost unanimously - 'Return it via mail or police, minus the cash'. They thought it was obvious they were entitled to the cash, and not the rest.

    I left a handful of cash on a park bench on the (deserted) oceanfront in central Fukuoka. I got a block or two away before realizing and turning back. Initially, I hurried a bit, but then I thought - 'calm down - this is Japan. Everybody knows it will still be there in a month.' So I slowed down.

    It was gone. Maybe I should have checked the local police station.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Chrisnonymous

    I left my wallet on top of a public phone next to a police box, where a finder would normally turn it in. In this case the finder called me up and wanted to meet. He returned the wallet, but I had to listen to a pitch trying to recruit me into a multilevel marketing scam that he was involved in. He saw me as his entre into the lucrative gaijin market, apparently.

  109. @scrivener3
    @Old Palo Altan

    Japanese are having very few children. They are rubbing themselves out. Everyone seems to think the lot of a Japanese (salaryman's) wife is pretty dismal with his work centered socializing at night, so maybe instead of feminism it is some sort of masculine ethic that got off track. It does seem the Japanese take anything to an extreme, like ten years internship to learn how to grind wasabi.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    More like 10 years internship to learn how to grind sesame!

  110. @Pat Boyle
    Of course we are a much bigger country than Japan so we could take in more. Something around 50 or 60 sounds right.

    Replies: @Truth

    LOL, yo Paddy, you and Jim Bob in comment #1 prove that geniuses congregate together.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @Truth

    In the sixties I read a lot of books on over population. I remember reading Erlich and Borgstrom. But that is no longer fashionable. That doesn't mean we solved the problem. At one time it looked like we were going to starve. But then came the "Green Revolution" and folks figured we had solved population problems forever.

    But this year is approximately the time predicted in the movie "Soylent Green". We should wall off all immigrants - not just the illegal ones. What is the reason for the Fermi Question? Maybe its because advanced civilizations eat beyond their means.

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Basically right, but some of this is out of date. For example, US citizens do get visa-on-arrival tourist visa with no questions asked.

    Also, there's no "immigrant visa." Maybe you're on Permanent Residency visa? If so, you're still not an immigrant. Sorry.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My Japanese visa is an “eijyu” visa, or 永住許可. This would be the equivalent in Japan of a United States unsponsored permanent residency visa. Unsponsored green cards such as diversity visas (type DV) are like this.

    A permanent residency visa is obviously not a non-immigrant visa … so it’s an immigrant visa. There is no specific “immigrant” category outside the visa system in either United States or Japanese law. In Japanese immigration law there is a special category of permanent residency equivalent to citizenship that is given to Korean-origin residents who for reasons of conscience do not want to take Japanese citizenship. But that’s the only thing between an eijyu visa and naturalization. The status of immigrant does not imply or require citizenship. It implies the intent to remain permanently and the recognition of that by the govenmental authorities. Non-immigrant visas on the other hand are awarded on assertion of the person receiving them that he will return to his home country eventually. Of course, outside of immigration law there is a more general, loose, “Merriam-Webster” meaning of immigrant.

    This is the complete list of immigration status categories, using U.S. terminology:

    – Illegal alien (rude, but still the statutory term)

    – Refugee or Asylee Applicant

    – Refugee (a status limited to one year, during which you have to apply for immigrant status)

    – Asylee (indefinite term)

    – Non-immigrant (a huge category, complete list here: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/all-visa-categories.html

    – Immigrant (list also at above URL)

    – Naturalized citizen

    – Citizen (native born or statutory)

  112. @Spud Boy
    I've been to Japan many times. On one of my first visits, I was walking down the street with one of my Japanese hosts, and I saw a beer vending machine on the street.

    I asked him, "what's to keep minors from buying beer from these machines?"

    He replied, "they just don't do it."

    That my friends, is a society.

    Replies: @Barnard, @White Guy In Japan, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Neoconned, @Truth

    That my friends, is a society.

    Yeah…a society with some punk-ass boys.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Truth

    Right. Of course YOU prefer more vibrant boys instead. After all, in a world of 80 IQ boys, the one with 90 IQ is king.

  113. @Neoconned
    @Spud Boy

    I'm very seriously considering retiring to suburban Tokyo in my 50s, if I live that long....the safe streets being one of the main lures....

    Replies: @Truth

    You can’t, Sport. They don’t take refugees from inferior populations.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Truth

    It is possible for Americans to attain Japanese citizenship homeboy

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

  114. @Flip
    If I had to pick a non-white ethnicity to be, it would be Japanese.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Truth

    Well isn’t that magnanimous of you.

    I had a Japanese guy tell me the other day that if he had to be a hairy, foul-smelling, big-nosed, stupid, rude, drunk, Gaijin, European is UNQUESTIONABLY the path he’d choose.

  115. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Steve Sailer

    Their military wasn’t set up for that.

    Based on what? The Soviets certainly did not want to challenge the Americans, but ferrying over experienced Soviet troops to roll over the remnants of the Japanese Imperial Army in 1945 would have been easy pickings. Especially since Soviet air superiority over Hokkaido would have been immense by that point.

    The Japanese were very afraid of the Soviets. The Soviets beat the Japanese decisively in 1939 at Khalkin Gol, which is one reason the Japanese decided they were better off attacking the Americans than joining Hitler against the USSR. The Japanese Navy was good, but the land Army was not particularly good, and spoiled by years of occupying China.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Whole divisions surrendered without a shot being fired when “confronted” with platoons from the Soviet army vanguard. Amazing. No ‘spirit of Bushido’ when the Japanese met the mongol horde.

  116. @Chrisnonymous
    @Barnard

    No, he's correct. I live in Japan, and these honor-system alcohol vending machines exist. I've used them. There is one around the corner from my apartment.
    (BTW, the article you posted doesn't say they don't exist, it says they're changing.)

    And they are in fact a good example of why foreigners, like me, shouldn't be allowed to move here.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Truth

    (BTW, the article you posted doesn’t say they don’t exist, it says they’re changing.)

    Is there a logical inference that can be drawn from this? I mean, I never truly wanted to belive the “Japs are smarter than whites” meme, but, uh…

  117. @Ali Choudhury
    @bartok

    Thanks for the response Bartok. Other countries like France and Singapore have tried baby cash incentive schemes and wound them down as a) they are really expensive and b) they only tend to encourage the most economically marginal to have children which makes welfare costs go up dramatically. Right now Japan has the worst of both worlds, women who aren't socially allowed to work after marriage and women who refuse to have children because of the economic costs involved.

    It is the working culture that needs serious attention. The young are exploited by large corporations to work irregular, temp jobs and work an insane number of hours. That economic insecurity is a key reason they don't have babies.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/japan-mystery-low-birth-rate/534291/

    This isn't a case of a wise people voluntarily making their population smaller, it is down to a vicious cycle of exploitation.

    Replies: @European-American

    Similar in Taiwan. Low salaries, hard work culture, few good jobs. Real estate prohibitively expensive for young couples.

    Same problems in South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong?…

    For whatever reason, the smartest countries are also the ones with the lowest birth rates.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268083/countries-with-the-lowest-fertility-rates/

    And China has the same birth rate problem. Its mega cities have crazy low birth rates, but remain somewhat healthy due to… massive immigration. From inside China, of course.
    https://www.economist.com/news/china/21729573-no-province-has-many-babies-some-shortfalls-are-much-worse-others-chinas-demographic

  118. @Chrisnonymous
    @White Guy In Japan

    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was "turned in" to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who "turned it in" didn't want any reward.

    Replies: @mobi, @Anonymous

    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was “turned in” to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who “turned it in” didn’t want any reward.

    I surveyed my Korean adult students more than once on ‘what would Koreans do with a found wallet’. Almost unanimously – ‘Return it via mail or police, minus the cash’. They thought it was obvious they were entitled to the cash, and not the rest.

    I left a handful of cash on a park bench on the (deserted) oceanfront in central Fukuoka. I got a block or two away before realizing and turning back. Initially, I hurried a bit, but then I thought – ‘calm down – this is Japan. Everybody knows it will still be there in a month.’ So I slowed down.

    It was gone. Maybe I should have checked the local police station.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @mobi

    If true, this is a sad decline in ethics in both countries. When I was a kid, both Japan and South Korea had a heartwarming ritual in which a child who finds money on the street for the first time would walk to the police station hand-in-hand with mom or dad and turn in the find. The police officer would then dutifully record the name and address of the child and, if no one claimed the money in due time, would give him the money in question.

    I still remember my first time at the police station all these decades later. The police officer who interviewed me and filled out the report smiled warmly and told me that I was a very dutiful young citizen.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @mobi

    You missed the important point where my wallet was "recovered" out of my bicycle basket. Yes, I forgot it, but it wasn't lying on the sidewalk.

  119. Is Japan contributing proportionately to the upkeep of refugees in camps in the Near East? If so, that suffices. Refugees are properly housed in camps proximate to the source of trouble with a view to their eventual repatriation. Resettlement in distant loci is appropriate only where there is an intractable problem at home. The problems in the Near East are acute, not chronic. The U.S. since 1920 has only had two refugee generators proximate to its borders: Cuba and Haiti, and Haiti’s political distress is no longer such as to justify mass refugee flows. Japan’s in the same situation: North Korea is the only place nearby where outmigrants are ipso facto refugees, and there aren’t many outmigrants. If that isn’t the case, refugee admissions should be strictly retail – politicians and newspaper editors and trade unionists in serious danger (as well as their legitimate dependents). It’s doubtful many of the 80,000 refugees the U.S. admits in a typical year really fill the bill.

  120. I wonder, will the Eye of Sauron, the globo-homo new world order, ever set his gaze upon Japan?
    In simpler words, will the Japanese be able to escape from diversity enrichment for long? Why does the US State Department still let them get away with it?

  121. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @White Guy In Japan

    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was "turned in" to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who "turned it in" didn't want any reward.

    Replies: @mobi, @Anonymous

    I left my wallet on top of a public phone next to a police box, where a finder would normally turn it in. In this case the finder called me up and wanted to meet. He returned the wallet, but I had to listen to a pitch trying to recruit me into a multilevel marketing scam that he was involved in. He saw me as his entre into the lucrative gaijin market, apparently.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  122. @Ali Choudhury
    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don't want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can't think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @bartok, @Massimo Heitor, @Daniel Chieh

    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don’t want skilled workers to bring their families over.

    What is unlikely to work? Their outrageously harsh terms of immigration will fail to discourage immigrants and lower immigration levels? Their PR spin will fail to keep international pressure at bay? Maybe both of those will work exactly as planned.

  123. @üeljang
    @Massimo Heitor

    "Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy."

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don't give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them. They certainly would not be swayed by complaints that their assessment of credibility in claims for refugee protection is too strict. What are you suggesting? That they ought to be more lax in their judgment and allow fake "refugees" to infiltrate their country? You must be either a perfect imbecile or a poorly disguised hostile agent.

    You underestimate how cynical and mean-spirited the Japanese are.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    “Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.”

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?

    Who pushed the immigration and multicultural initiatives on the US and Europe? It wasn’t one agency, it was a modest number of powerful western elites who were passionate about their agenda and got broader cultural buy in.

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don’t give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them.

    That may be true. But the simple fact is that Japan has not faced the aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare that have targeted the US and Europe.

    I suspect, the broad left needs to keep their message simple, they have built narratives and this aggressive repeated rhetoric promoting ethnic white villains and racism. I don’t think it’s in their interest to confuse this messaging with non-white villains.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Massimo Heitor

    Having a language isolate and a difficult, exotic script helps too. You can care less about what other people think when there's a greater barrier to communication.

    , @Anonymous
    @Massimo Heitor

    this assertion, that japan has not faced the "aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare" that is daily in the west is absoultly not true.
    What crack are you smoking?
    during the us occupation, Japan was in fact told that they have no moral license or authority at all!
    the "western" issues of gay rights, multiculturalism, immigration, diversity, and "rape culture" has permiated Japan. The most leftist newspapers in Japan are entirely for these things. And a quick look through the "Japan Times" will show that the west has infiltrated & grappled Japanese thinking better than the best ninja.

    This so called "moral license" is vacuuous.

  124. @Anonymous
    I'm a resident of Japan ... technically, I'm an immigrant to Japan, with an immigrant visa, having lived half my life here.

    Yesterday in front of my train station there was a group of nice Japanese collecting money for or otherwise promoting an outfit called the OHCHR. There were posters of migrants in boats or along roads, with captions like "They just want to get to Europe." There were no blacks in the photos, and many children. I wish I had stopped to chat with the folks to figure out what they were doing, but I kind of felt that my true feelings would come through and poison the mood. There are several far-left political parties in Japan, so I assume this had something to do with that.

    In the mainstream media there is zero attention paid to immigrant applicants to Japan or numbers accepted. I don't think anyone cares. On the other hand, the nationality of criminals or criminal suspects is gleefully reported. A New Yorker just dismemembered a Japanese girl he met on the internet the other day, for instance, name of Yevgeniy Vasilievich Bayraktar. The news is reporting on the details of how he transported each severed body part to each disposal location, with detailed map graphics. Unfortunately, he left the head for last, and the police were on to him by then and found it in his apartment.

    Japanese are really nice, and in theory you could jujitsu this to convince them to admit poor, suffering migrants, but the media would overreport the slightest malfeasance and put a stop to it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @LondonBob, @al gore rhythms

    So the Japanese far left raise money for migrants to get to Europe?

    I suppose I admire them for not taking a dump on their own doorstep. But as a European, could you ask them next time not to pay for people to come and take a dump on mine?

  125. @wren
    A close Japanese friend recently got their results back from 23andme.

    Mostly Japanese, of course. But..

    You most likely had a fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Native American. This person was likely born between 1700 and 1790.
     
    Any ideas are appreciated.

    My guess is that the Dutch East India Company chartered American ships in the late 1700's and early 1800's apparently and one of these had an Indian amongst the crew who jumped off in Japan and pretended to be Ainu or something.

    Or is there the possibility that 23andme screwed something up, or something? They said that there was no haplogroup connected to this ancestor.

    It's a curious result.

    Replies: @Flip, @Anon87

    I would guess that it is reflecting shared Siberian ancestry in north Asians and American Indians.

  126. We Japanese love refugees!*
    (But not in Japan, if you please.)
    We feel much more secure
    Being racially pure.
    *(But they smell. And can’t eat on their knees.)

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    This one’s pretty good, Tilley.

  127. Refugee resettlement programmes to the West as organised by the West: They cost 20 times as much to help each refugee as resettling them in a country next door and those refugees are taken into lands full of disgusting, racist white people.

    This means that Japanese people probably help refugees far more than Western peoples do. The clever Japanese just use the right method. Stupid Westerners…

  128. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    We Japanese love refugees!*
    (But not in Japan, if you please.)
    We feel much more secure
    Being racially pure.
    *(But they smell. And can't eat on their knees.)

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    This one’s pretty good, Tilley.

  129. @Vinteuil
    @El Dato

    "...immigrant-dominated crime gangs are taking advantage to create a 'parallel mafia society.'"

    I can well believe it.

    I spent some time in the Netherlands & Belgium, about this time last year, starting off at a Hostel in Amsterdam...

    I awoke one morning in the midst of a nasty quarrel between a couple of guys speaking in English with heavy accents that I couldn't identify, pretty clearly concerning some drug deal gone awry.

    I just snored louder & vacated the next morning.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    Well, I hope at least you wandered up and down the art and antiques street leading to and from the Rijksmuseum.

  130. You mean mass immigration driven by capitalism. And as far as keeping our “superior stock pure”, that notion went out the window when the English were overrun by the non-English in the Thirteen Colonies.

    ~ Some putz in 2018.

    “As far as a ‘Jewish State’ goes, that notion went out the window when Titus & co. crushed the Jewish Revolt and sent the Jews fleeing to the four corners of the Earth, a status quo which has stood for 15 centuries.”

    ~ Some putz in 1941.

    Everybody squawks about Japan’s declining population, but I would like to see some kind of intelligent analysis of Japan’s optimum population size. You can’t just go by square miles of territory within their borders, because a LOT of Japan is mountainous and not particularly habitable; the vast majority of Japan’s population is crammed into the coastal areas, making for high population density. I’m sure the Japanese like a higher population density than I do, but there are limits, even for NE Asians, and maybe Japan has passed them.

  131. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rosh


    The Russians never managed to beat the Japanese either. It took the A-Bomb to do it.
     
    The Russians rolłed up the Japanese in Manchuria in 1945, and were about to take Hokkaido. The Japanese elite welcomed the A Bomb. It gave them a way to capitulate without losing face, and before the Soviets could occupy territory. Without the Bomb, Japan could have been divided like Korea and. Germany.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rosh

    Why are Russian propagandists so tedious and irksome? There is zero evidence that the Japanese surrendered because they were afraid of Soviets. Only a people as defective as Russians would consider it a proud accomplishment to steal some cold rocky islands from a country that just got nuclear bombs dropped on it. Japan and Russia fought a one-on-one war once, and Russia got embarrassed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Rosh

    The Soviets beat the Japanese in 1939 and in 1945. But invading and conquering the Japanese home islands against active Japanese resistance would have been a much tougher proposition for the Soviets than sparring on the Asian mainland.

  132. @Rosh
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Why are Russian propagandists so tedious and irksome? There is zero evidence that the Japanese surrendered because they were afraid of Soviets. Only a people as defective as Russians would consider it a proud accomplishment to steal some cold rocky islands from a country that just got nuclear bombs dropped on it. Japan and Russia fought a one-on-one war once, and Russia got embarrassed.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Soviets beat the Japanese in 1939 and in 1945. But invading and conquering the Japanese home islands against active Japanese resistance would have been a much tougher proposition for the Soviets than sparring on the Asian mainland.

  133. @Truth
    @Neoconned

    You can't, Sport. They don't take refugees from inferior populations.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    It is possible for Americans to attain Japanese citizenship homeboy

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Neoconned

    Yeah, I guess they need street-sweepers with the population aging and all.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned

    , @Twinkie
    @Neoconned

    Yes, but they prefer Asian or white Americans, not of Truth’s phenotype.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  134. @Ali Choudhury
    Abe and the business elite are pushing hard to bring skilled foreign workers in.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/21/national/abe-calls-foreign-employment-review-increase-skilled-workers/

    Very unlikely to work. Apart from the language issue and abysmal pay for tech workers, they don't want skilled workers to bring their families over. That is going to put off even the mass-produced H1b drones. Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married. I can't think of a single female Japanese CEO or entrepreneur. They need to do something, having the entire country enter old age will make it much poorer over an extended period of time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @bartok, @Massimo Heitor, @Daniel Chieh

    Japan could easily encourage more work and more babies from its existing population if it made working culture more family friendly and made it socially acceptable for women to work and get promoted even after they got married.

    Children are not chopped livers. They need someone to nurture them, and female careers delay first birth and compete for attention.

  135. Feds Provide Almost $2 Billion in Subsidies to Hire Alien Grads Rather than U.S. Grads

    https://cis.org/North/Feds-Provide-Almost-2-Billion-Subsidies-Hire-Alien-Grads-Rather-US-Grads

    Another part of Dubya’s (increasingly bad looking) legacy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob


    Another part of Dubya’s (increasingly bad looking) legacy.
     
    And by the same token, another reason why the MSM has been rehabilitating that legacy.

    Odd how stories like this never seem to catch their 'notice' though.

  136. @Neoconned
    @Truth

    It is possible for Americans to attain Japanese citizenship homeboy

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

    Yeah, I guess they need street-sweepers with the population aging and all.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Truth

    You're cute, you know. I hope to have my masters degree within ten years.....but keep being cheeky

    , @Neoconned
    @Truth

    You're cute, you know. I hope to have my masters degree within ten years.....but keep being cheeky

  137. @Truth
    @Pat Boyle

    LOL, yo Paddy, you and Jim Bob in comment #1 prove that geniuses congregate together.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle

    In the sixties I read a lot of books on over population. I remember reading Erlich and Borgstrom. But that is no longer fashionable. That doesn’t mean we solved the problem. At one time it looked like we were going to starve. But then came the “Green Revolution” and folks figured we had solved population problems forever.

    But this year is approximately the time predicted in the movie “Soylent Green”. We should wall off all immigrants – not just the illegal ones. What is the reason for the Fermi Question? Maybe its because advanced civilizations eat beyond their means.

  138. Missed this gem:

    You mean mass immigration driven by capitalism.

    Right; cuz only America and Western Europe have capitalism. Thx 4 ur genieus.

  139. @Massimo Heitor
    @üeljang


    “Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.”

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?
     
    Who pushed the immigration and multicultural initiatives on the US and Europe? It wasn't one agency, it was a modest number of powerful western elites who were passionate about their agenda and got broader cultural buy in.

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don’t give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them.

     

    That may be true. But the simple fact is that Japan has not faced the aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare that have targeted the US and Europe.

    I suspect, the broad left needs to keep their message simple, they have built narratives and this aggressive repeated rhetoric promoting ethnic white villains and racism. I don't think it's in their interest to confuse this messaging with non-white villains.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Having a language isolate and a difficult, exotic script helps too. You can care less about what other people think when there’s a greater barrier to communication.

  140. @wren
    A close Japanese friend recently got their results back from 23andme.

    Mostly Japanese, of course. But..

    You most likely had a fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Native American. This person was likely born between 1700 and 1790.
     
    Any ideas are appreciated.

    My guess is that the Dutch East India Company chartered American ships in the late 1700's and early 1800's apparently and one of these had an Indian amongst the crew who jumped off in Japan and pretended to be Ainu or something.

    Or is there the possibility that 23andme screwed something up, or something? They said that there was no haplogroup connected to this ancestor.

    It's a curious result.

    Replies: @Flip, @Anon87

    Was that from the default 50% confidence data? That’s mostly junk and noise. Adjust it to 90% and see if that ancestry goes away.

  141. @MG
    When you board an ANA flight, the first thing you notice is that all the flight attendants are Japanese. No ‘diversity’ token recruitment there. And the in-flight service is stellar. Same thing at the airports in Tokyo - they look and feel First World, reminiscent of what the USA used to be pre-1990.

    Replies: @jim jones, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon87, @Twinkie

    When faced with ANA or United, always take ANA!!

  142. @Jim Don Bob
    Feds Provide Almost $2 Billion in Subsidies to Hire Alien Grads Rather than U.S. Grads

    https://cis.org/North/Feds-Provide-Almost-2-Billion-Subsidies-Hire-Alien-Grads-Rather-US-Grads

    Another part of Dubya's (increasingly bad looking) legacy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Another part of Dubya’s (increasingly bad looking) legacy.

    And by the same token, another reason why the MSM has been rehabilitating that legacy.

    Odd how stories like this never seem to catch their ‘notice’ though.

  143. @J1234
    @Jim Don Bob


    Japan’s population is about 120 million; the USA is 320 million. Japan’s population is 3/8 of the USA’s.
    So if Japan took just 20 refugees on a population of 120 millions, the USA should take 53 refugees (2 2/3 of 20).

    I am fine with that, even if they are all sub 70 IQ Somalis
     
    Yeah, OK...I am, too, but those Somalis will have to live in your neighborhood before they start living in mine.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @Jim Don Bob

    I would gladly sign up to support all of them for the rest of their lives iif they were the only refugees admitted this year. It would be a bargain compared to the 1-2 million turd worlders coming here every year that we have to pay for forever and all their relatives forever.

    I’m with Jack D. Pick them up, put them on a plane/bus back to where they came from. Period.

    I am sick to death of hearing about the rights illegals have in my country. What part of illegal is hard to understand?

  144. @mobi
    @Chrisnonymous


    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was “turned in” to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who “turned it in” didn’t want any reward.
     
    I surveyed my Korean adult students more than once on 'what would Koreans do with a found wallet'. Almost unanimously - 'Return it via mail or police, minus the cash'. They thought it was obvious they were entitled to the cash, and not the rest.

    I left a handful of cash on a park bench on the (deserted) oceanfront in central Fukuoka. I got a block or two away before realizing and turning back. Initially, I hurried a bit, but then I thought - 'calm down - this is Japan. Everybody knows it will still be there in a month.' So I slowed down.

    It was gone. Maybe I should have checked the local police station.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Chrisnonymous

    If true, this is a sad decline in ethics in both countries. When I was a kid, both Japan and South Korea had a heartwarming ritual in which a child who finds money on the street for the first time would walk to the police station hand-in-hand with mom or dad and turn in the find. The police officer would then dutifully record the name and address of the child and, if no one claimed the money in due time, would give him the money in question.

    I still remember my first time at the police station all these decades later. The police officer who interviewed me and filled out the report smiled warmly and told me that I was a very dutiful young citizen.

  145. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Spud Boy

    If you believe that, then I ought to change my tag to Nigerian Prince and cut you in on this business deal I've got.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    I suppose this tells me what I need to know about Nigerians.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    That we don't believe in fairy tales?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  146. @Truth
    @Spud Boy


    That my friends, is a society.
     
    Yeah...a society with some punk-ass boys.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Right. Of course YOU prefer more vibrant boys instead. After all, in a world of 80 IQ boys, the one with 90 IQ is king.

  147. @Neoconned
    @Truth

    It is possible for Americans to attain Japanese citizenship homeboy

    Replies: @Truth, @Twinkie

    Yes, but they prefer Asian or white Americans, not of Truth’s phenotype.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Twinkie

    I am white.

    Anyway what's his ethnic background and more importantly what's his deal? Did I accidentally shit in his Cheerios this morning? I don't recall ever insulting the dude so I don't get why he's being so passive aggressive at me....

  148. @MG
    When you board an ANA flight, the first thing you notice is that all the flight attendants are Japanese. No ‘diversity’ token recruitment there. And the in-flight service is stellar. Same thing at the airports in Tokyo - they look and feel First World, reminiscent of what the USA used to be pre-1990.

    Replies: @jim jones, @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon87, @Twinkie

    Singapore Airlines is multi-ethnic and it’s service is even better than that of ANA.

  149. @Truth
    @Neoconned

    Yeah, I guess they need street-sweepers with the population aging and all.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned

    You’re cute, you know. I hope to have my masters degree within ten years…..but keep being cheeky

  150. @Truth
    @Neoconned

    Yeah, I guess they need street-sweepers with the population aging and all.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned

    You’re cute, you know. I hope to have my masters degree within ten years…..but keep being cheeky

  151. @Twinkie
    @Neoconned

    Yes, but they prefer Asian or white Americans, not of Truth’s phenotype.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    I am white.

    Anyway what’s his ethnic background and more importantly what’s his deal? Did I accidentally shit in his Cheerios this morning? I don’t recall ever insulting the dude so I don’t get why he’s being so passive aggressive at me….

  152. @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    The Russians would have ferried some troops to post-war Japan if they were allowed to, but they didn't intend to invade Japan against either Japanese or American opposition. Their military wasn't set up for that.

    Replies: @jlee1, @Peter Akuleyev, @wren

    That Foreign Policy article includes a link to some original plans to invade Hokkaido, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/122335

    I don’t know the provenance of the document, nor whether it was actually the kind of military contingency plan that militaries always have to have ready should a politician suddenly ask them to do something, but according to the article, the guy who wrote it was disappointed that they didn’t try to take Hokkaido. He later became the “Soviet Minister of the Navy.”

    According to the article, too, Stalin later regretted that he hadn’t taken Hokkaido. He didn’t care about Yalta by 1950.

    Anyway, Stalin never sent the go-ahead.

    Thank goodness.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    Okay, but there is a big difference between the Soviets thinking of occupying and already-surrendered chunk of Japan post-8/15/45 and the Soviets thinking of doing their own D-Day-style invasion of Japan while the Japanese were still fighting. The Soviets saw what the U.S. went through at Iwo Jima and Okinawa even after years of building up the most formidable amphibious warfare capability ever. They didn't have those kind of capabilities and starting with invading a home island of Japan would not be where they'd want to start.

    Replies: @wren

  153. @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    That Foreign Policy article includes a link to some original plans to invade Hokkaido, after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/122335

    I don't know the provenance of the document, nor whether it was actually the kind of military contingency plan that militaries always have to have ready should a politician suddenly ask them to do something, but according to the article, the guy who wrote it was disappointed that they didn't try to take Hokkaido. He later became the "Soviet Minister of the Navy."

    According to the article, too, Stalin later regretted that he hadn't taken Hokkaido. He didn't care about Yalta by 1950.

    Anyway, Stalin never sent the go-ahead.

    Thank goodness.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Okay, but there is a big difference between the Soviets thinking of occupying and already-surrendered chunk of Japan post-8/15/45 and the Soviets thinking of doing their own D-Day-style invasion of Japan while the Japanese were still fighting. The Soviets saw what the U.S. went through at Iwo Jima and Okinawa even after years of building up the most formidable amphibious warfare capability ever. They didn’t have those kind of capabilities and starting with invading a home island of Japan would not be where they’d want to start.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, I don't think anyone in their right mind really wanted to invade Japan pre Hiroshima.

    It will be interesting to see if Trump does anything with Taiwan.

    They have been hardening the island for 70 years and the combination of China's more blatant aggressiveness in that neighborhood, China's assistance to North Korea, and Trump might lead to somewhere new.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  154. It is interesting how the 雰囲気 changes in the comments threads after a day or two has passed.

    It’s like the sun has long gone down, the raucous laughter of parties has died down and the various night creatures come out or something.

    Still a while til last call though.

    On a different topic, I sometimes wonder how many of Steve’s readers are folks who have spent a considerable amount of time in Asia.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @wren

    I don't think that quite came across as you intended.

    God loves us all just the way we are but loves us too much to let us stay that way.

    I have spent little time in Asia but the local poets have plagiarized, more than once, my poetry.

    Cor ad cor loquitur, as we used to say back in the day.

    I recommend J. Vernon McGee on the Book of Job, although he is also near his best on Isaiah.

    Props, dude. Represent!

    Replies: @wren

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @wren

    I read more than I comment here -- but 1.5 years living in Asia (Singapore & Thailand).

  155. @Steve Sailer
    @wren

    Okay, but there is a big difference between the Soviets thinking of occupying and already-surrendered chunk of Japan post-8/15/45 and the Soviets thinking of doing their own D-Day-style invasion of Japan while the Japanese were still fighting. The Soviets saw what the U.S. went through at Iwo Jima and Okinawa even after years of building up the most formidable amphibious warfare capability ever. They didn't have those kind of capabilities and starting with invading a home island of Japan would not be where they'd want to start.

    Replies: @wren

    Yes, I don’t think anyone in their right mind really wanted to invade Japan pre Hiroshima.

    It will be interesting to see if Trump does anything with Taiwan.

    They have been hardening the island for 70 years and the combination of China’s more blatant aggressiveness in that neighborhood, China’s assistance to North Korea, and Trump might lead to somewhere new.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @wren

    It doesn't matter if the shell is hardened, the heart is dead.

    Replies: @wren, @European-American

  156. Business lobbying has had an effect. 1.3 million foreign workers, or 2 percent of the working population, up 87 percent from 2012. You can also apply for permanent residency after 1 year now, not 10. Of course still seems aimed at temporary workers, rather than population replacement, but…

  157. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    I suppose this tells me what I need to know about Nigerians.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    That we don’t believe in fairy tales?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    That we don’t believe in fairy tales?
     
    The fact that you think this is a fairy tale tells me much about you and Nigerians.

    Replies: @European-American

  158. @Anonymous
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    It's as true as the day is long and also no surprise that this truth offends you.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    So a half-truth then. Those who buy just ain’t caught.

    Why would a tall tale offend me? What next will? big foot’s existence…

    Unlike your children–soldiers aside of course– I’m no snowflake.

  159. @wren
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, I don't think anyone in their right mind really wanted to invade Japan pre Hiroshima.

    It will be interesting to see if Trump does anything with Taiwan.

    They have been hardening the island for 70 years and the combination of China's more blatant aggressiveness in that neighborhood, China's assistance to North Korea, and Trump might lead to somewhere new.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    It doesn’t matter if the shell is hardened, the heart is dead.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Daniel Chieh

    Really?

    Taiwan is a wonderful place in my opinion.

    Some sad history, but what else is new?

    , @European-American
    @Daniel Chieh

    I’d be interested to know what you mean by that.

    Certainly street-level Taiwan does not feel incredibly prepared to face a military invasion. It feels a bit soft and out-of-touch with political realities outside Taiwan. But appearances may be deceiving. And it doesn’t feel “dead” to me (but I have no special insight). There are varieties of the same advanced society softness and decadence as everywhere else, but it still feels alive.

    There are also growing varieties of nationalism and local pride, but of course any kind of Taiwanese nationalism is super complicated and diverse, and I don’t know how much people would be willing to sacrifice to keep their freedom and independence. Maybe a lot...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  160. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Among the 20 individuals who were recognized as refugees were five Egyptians, five Syrians and two Afghans."

    Even when a country does it right, they do it wrong.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Brutusale

    Well, seeing as Japanese society is like a military academy compared to that of the US, which is a goo goo Montessori school, I expect the refugees to assimilate or die.

    At any rate, they won’t be a problem for long.

  161. @Daniel Chieh
    @wren

    It doesn't matter if the shell is hardened, the heart is dead.

    Replies: @wren, @European-American

    Really?

    Taiwan is a wonderful place in my opinion.

    Some sad history, but what else is new?

  162. @wren
    It is interesting how the 雰囲気 changes in the comments threads after a day or two has passed.

    It's like the sun has long gone down, the raucous laughter of parties has died down and the various night creatures come out or something.

    Still a while til last call though.

    On a different topic, I sometimes wonder how many of Steve's readers are folks who have spent a considerable amount of time in Asia.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Buck Turgidson

    I don’t think that quite came across as you intended.

    God loves us all just the way we are but loves us too much to let us stay that way.

    I have spent little time in Asia but the local poets have plagiarized, more than once, my poetry.

    Cor ad cor loquitur, as we used to say back in the day.

    I recommend J. Vernon McGee on the Book of Job, although he is also near his best on Isaiah.

    Props, dude. Represent!

    • Replies: @wren
    @anonymous

    Actually, I was kind of thinking about various nightspots in Tokyo.

    Things get quieter and yet sometimes more interesting after the last train has departed for the night.

    It used to stay safe too, even in the most foreign friendly of locations, but I have heard that that isn’t the case any more.

    Believe it or not, and I haven’t really looked into it much, the problem is Nigerians.

    Now I don’t know if the problem was Nigerians themselves, or if they were just doing the work of the Yakuza behind the scenes, but I am not making this up.

    Also, it helps to have a name.

  163. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    That we don't believe in fairy tales?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    That we don’t believe in fairy tales?

    The fact that you think this is a fairy tale tells me much about you and Nigerians.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @European-American
    @Twinkie

    Long ago in Switzerland they had newspaper dispensers that worked on the honor system: you took a paper, and you put in a coin. There was no mechanism requiring payment. I looked at those boxes in disbelief: wouldn’t people be tempted to just take a paper without paying?

    Later I went to the US and saw they had newspaper boxes that required payment of a quarter to open. But then you could take as many papers as you wanted! I was similarly surprised that such a system could work.

    Something about a society of abundance combined with basic civic sense of duty made such schemes possible. I’m ashamed that, as a young outsider, they just made me think of how easy it would be to steal or vandalize. But I could also see how precious such a living fairy tale was.

    Even today in Switzerland, there are small stores by the road where you can buy flowers or vegetables. You take what you want and leave the amount of money specified. No one is there to check on you. Not even a webcam, as I recall.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @wren

  164. The fact that you believe in fairy-tales and that one person is representative of millions tells me all I need to know about which side of the bell curve you fall.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    The fact that you believe in fairy-tales and that one person is representative of millions tells me all I need to know about which side of the bell curve you fall.
     
    Do some traveling. See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027129/Honest-Japanese-return-78million-cash-earthquake-rubble.html

    You see, I grew up and lived in both Japan and South Korea and have witnessed this kind of good civic sense in those countries and later also in small towns in the U.S. and Western Europe. My parents taught me this kind of sense of duty to my fellow citizens and community. (I still remember the first time I took the money I found on the street to the local police station.) I, in turn, have taught the same to my children.

    This may be beyond your wildest imagination, but there are peoples and cultures in this world who are so very utterly different from, say, Nigerians.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  165. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    That we don’t believe in fairy tales?
     
    The fact that you think this is a fairy tale tells me much about you and Nigerians.

    Replies: @European-American

    Long ago in Switzerland they had newspaper dispensers that worked on the honor system: you took a paper, and you put in a coin. There was no mechanism requiring payment. I looked at those boxes in disbelief: wouldn’t people be tempted to just take a paper without paying?

    Later I went to the US and saw they had newspaper boxes that required payment of a quarter to open. But then you could take as many papers as you wanted! I was similarly surprised that such a system could work.

    Something about a society of abundance combined with basic civic sense of duty made such schemes possible. I’m ashamed that, as a young outsider, they just made me think of how easy it would be to steal or vandalize. But I could also see how precious such a living fairy tale was.

    Even today in Switzerland, there are small stores by the road where you can buy flowers or vegetables. You take what you want and leave the amount of money specified. No one is there to check on you. Not even a webcam, as I recall.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    I remember that. They didn't have webcams when I saw it because the technology hadn't been invented yet; the honor system was just strong enough that if anyone stole, it would assumed that he probably needed it badly and would pay for it later somehow.

    It was really marvelous.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @wren
    @European-American

    I still buy flowers and vegetables by the side of the road on a regular basis.

    It is all on the honor system, and seems to work.

    Up until a few years ago, my family did it on a nearly daily basis.

    It saved a lot of money and was fresher.

    Perhaps my children will one day look back on this honor system with a sense of wonder.

    But I hope not.

  166. @Daniel Chieh
    @wren

    It doesn't matter if the shell is hardened, the heart is dead.

    Replies: @wren, @European-American

    I’d be interested to know what you mean by that.

    Certainly street-level Taiwan does not feel incredibly prepared to face a military invasion. It feels a bit soft and out-of-touch with political realities outside Taiwan. But appearances may be deceiving. And it doesn’t feel “dead” to me (but I have no special insight). There are varieties of the same advanced society softness and decadence as everywhere else, but it still feels alive.

    There are also growing varieties of nationalism and local pride, but of course any kind of Taiwanese nationalism is super complicated and diverse, and I don’t know how much people would be willing to sacrifice to keep their freedom and independence. Maybe a lot…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    Its partly that, but the deeper issue is that the Taiwanese have become split among factional conflicts and gotten heavily brain drained at this point; even more demoralizing than military humiliation might be economic humiliation: much of the higher educated Taiwanese just leave the province to get a job in China, and disappointment in the "end of history" female president Tsai Ing-wen is so high now that 1)Emperor Xi is more popular in Taiwan than President Tsai, and 2)almost 15% of Taiwanese want to become part of China now(up 5% in a single year).

    This doesn't seem like a country that's about to put up a fight.

    I suppose I'm unfairly biased to the technical side, but that's where a lot of the deadness comes from. Its almost impossible to do anything cutting-edge in Taiwan, if you're into drones or artificial intelligence, then your options really are either China or the US.

    I think that parts of the Europe have similar brain drain issues, though, no? Finland. But fortunately, its mostly internal from what I hear and if I was going to speculate, becomes something like "Germany gets everyone."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @European-American

  167. @Steve Sailer
    @jlee1

    That was agreed to at Yalta.

    Replies: @jlee1

    , which was a secret agreement, not a treaty.
    E.g. “Hey Steve. My brother & and I secretly agreed that we now own your house. Now get out.”

  168. Anonymous [AKA "tsawyer1"] says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    @üeljang


    “Since WW2, Japan hasn’t been allowed to have a military, but they have been given moral license to have a highly restrictive immigration policy.”

    Pray tell, which agency is invested with the authority to issue such moral licenses?
     
    Who pushed the immigration and multicultural initiatives on the US and Europe? It wasn't one agency, it was a modest number of powerful western elites who were passionate about their agenda and got broader cultural buy in.

    The truth is that Japanese people (well, the Japanese people who matter in such regards, i.e. those at the top) don’t give a shit what you or any other non-Japanese person might say or think about them.

     

    That may be true. But the simple fact is that Japan has not faced the aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare that have targeted the US and Europe.

    I suspect, the broad left needs to keep their message simple, they have built narratives and this aggressive repeated rhetoric promoting ethnic white villains and racism. I don't think it's in their interest to confuse this messaging with non-white villains.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    this assertion, that japan has not faced the “aggressive relentless pressure and cultural warfare” that is daily in the west is absoultly not true.
    What crack are you smoking?
    during the us occupation, Japan was in fact told that they have no moral license or authority at all!
    the “western” issues of gay rights, multiculturalism, immigration, diversity, and “rape culture” has permiated Japan. The most leftist newspapers in Japan are entirely for these things. And a quick look through the “Japan Times” will show that the west has infiltrated & grappled Japanese thinking better than the best ninja.

    This so called “moral license” is vacuuous.

  169. @Nigerian Nationalist
    The fact that you believe in fairy-tales and that one person is representative of millions tells me all I need to know about which side of the bell curve you fall.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The fact that you believe in fairy-tales and that one person is representative of millions tells me all I need to know about which side of the bell curve you fall.

    Do some traveling. See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027129/Honest-Japanese-return-78million-cash-earthquake-rubble.html

    You see, I grew up and lived in both Japan and South Korea and have witnessed this kind of good civic sense in those countries and later also in small towns in the U.S. and Western Europe. My parents taught me this kind of sense of duty to my fellow citizens and community. (I still remember the first time I took the money I found on the street to the local police station.) I, in turn, have taught the same to my children.

    This may be beyond your wildest imagination, but there are peoples and cultures in this world who are so very utterly different from, say, Nigerians.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    A lack of imagination?

    You're projecting Twinkie: http://www.nigerianwatch.com/nigerian-uber-driver-in-u-s-returns-lost-700-to-its-owner/

    http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/photo-lagos-airport-cleaner-returns-n12-million-found-in-toilet-to-owner/

    https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,122687.0.html

    That said the idea that Japanese kids "just don't" buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.

    P.S That "good sort of civic sense" is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you'll find it there.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

  170. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    The fact that you believe in fairy-tales and that one person is representative of millions tells me all I need to know about which side of the bell curve you fall.
     
    Do some traveling. See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027129/Honest-Japanese-return-78million-cash-earthquake-rubble.html

    You see, I grew up and lived in both Japan and South Korea and have witnessed this kind of good civic sense in those countries and later also in small towns in the U.S. and Western Europe. My parents taught me this kind of sense of duty to my fellow citizens and community. (I still remember the first time I took the money I found on the street to the local police station.) I, in turn, have taught the same to my children.

    This may be beyond your wildest imagination, but there are peoples and cultures in this world who are so very utterly different from, say, Nigerians.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    A lack of imagination?

    You’re projecting Twinkie: http://www.nigerianwatch.com/nigerian-uber-driver-in-u-s-returns-lost-700-to-its-owner/

    http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/photo-lagos-airport-cleaner-returns-n12-million-found-in-toilet-to-owner/

    https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,122687.0.html

    That said the idea that Japanese kids “just don’t” buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    That said the idea that Japanese kids “just don’t” buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.
     
    East Asian kids are orders of magnitude less prone to impulsive and dysfunctional behaviors than sub-Saharan Africans. You just have no clue.

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.
     
    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour. And that particular tour strengthened my “prejudice” about Africans. Reality does that.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.
     
    Don’t be stupider than you already are. I worked counterterrorism on three continents.

    By the way, it might make the news when an individual Ethiopian returns money found in public, but it doesn’t in Japan, because it’s normal, not extraordinary. You just have no idea in your ignorant mind just how different Japan is from Nigeria, e.g. there are more than 30 times as many homicides in the latter as compared to the former, per capita. That alone should give you an inkling, were you even the least bit rational.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.
     
    I made it as far as Cameroon. While I met some wonderful Africans, it did not improve my overall opinion of Africans as a whole. The words "unimaginable corruption" come to mind.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  171. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    A lack of imagination?

    You're projecting Twinkie: http://www.nigerianwatch.com/nigerian-uber-driver-in-u-s-returns-lost-700-to-its-owner/

    http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/photo-lagos-airport-cleaner-returns-n12-million-found-in-toilet-to-owner/

    https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,122687.0.html

    That said the idea that Japanese kids "just don't" buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.

    P.S That "good sort of civic sense" is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you'll find it there.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    That said the idea that Japanese kids “just don’t” buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.

    East Asian kids are orders of magnitude less prone to impulsive and dysfunctional behaviors than sub-Saharan Africans. You just have no clue.

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.

    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour. And that particular tour strengthened my “prejudice” about Africans. Reality does that.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.

    Don’t be stupider than you already are. I worked counterterrorism on three continents.

    By the way, it might make the news when an individual Ethiopian returns money found in public, but it doesn’t in Japan, because it’s normal, not extraordinary. You just have no idea in your ignorant mind just how different Japan is from Nigeria, e.g. there are more than 30 times as many homicides in the latter as compared to the former, per capita. That alone should give you an inkling, were you even the least bit rational.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour.
     
    If you don't mind my asking - was this East or West? Arab or black?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    Ahh, the old "I was a veteran" gag, which you know me enough to know I'll just believe, right?

    Now back to the original argument--which you've moved off differing tangents many times already-- Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it's the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.

    P.S No it "didn't make the news", those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked. As for murder rate, America's weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels, however, a weak State does not, bad people its citizens make. Bad Yoga reference, don't be anal.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  172. @European-American
    @Daniel Chieh

    I’d be interested to know what you mean by that.

    Certainly street-level Taiwan does not feel incredibly prepared to face a military invasion. It feels a bit soft and out-of-touch with political realities outside Taiwan. But appearances may be deceiving. And it doesn’t feel “dead” to me (but I have no special insight). There are varieties of the same advanced society softness and decadence as everywhere else, but it still feels alive.

    There are also growing varieties of nationalism and local pride, but of course any kind of Taiwanese nationalism is super complicated and diverse, and I don’t know how much people would be willing to sacrifice to keep their freedom and independence. Maybe a lot...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Its partly that, but the deeper issue is that the Taiwanese have become split among factional conflicts and gotten heavily brain drained at this point; even more demoralizing than military humiliation might be economic humiliation: much of the higher educated Taiwanese just leave the province to get a job in China, and disappointment in the “end of history” female president Tsai Ing-wen is so high now that 1)Emperor Xi is more popular in Taiwan than President Tsai, and 2)almost 15% of Taiwanese want to become part of China now(up 5% in a single year).

    This doesn’t seem like a country that’s about to put up a fight.

    I suppose I’m unfairly biased to the technical side, but that’s where a lot of the deadness comes from. Its almost impossible to do anything cutting-edge in Taiwan, if you’re into drones or artificial intelligence, then your options really are either China or the US.

    I think that parts of the Europe have similar brain drain issues, though, no? Finland. But fortunately, its mostly internal from what I hear and if I was going to speculate, becomes something like “Germany gets everyone.”

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Daniel Chieh

    Adding this:

    The reason why Taiwan could be independent, too, was that the vast majority of its soldiers were KMT waisenren like my family: part of the massive flow of defeated soldiers that then held the line against the Communists by fighting on numerous small islands. Some units took 80% casualties. These were hardened anti-Communist soldiers who were willing to do anything to maintain a hope of defeating the communists. Along the way, they also rebuilt Taiwan into a tiny, but meaningful industrial and economic power.

    Since then, though, the native islanders who were on Taiwan before have executed a liberal march through institutions, blamed the KMT for everything, constantly deride and demonize the waisenren . Its like if white New Zelanders fought and died en masse to defend Maori, and then many years later, you only hear about how terrible the whites are and ignore the fact that the very remaining existence of the Maori and country is because of these whites.

    Of course, the waisenren continue to make up the vast majority of the military because while the natives are very demanding and mouthy, they apparently don't really give a shit about the entire "dying" part. This is pretty demoralizing, as you might imagine. So the result now is that the Taiwanese government is always begging for help from the United States or Japan, because if you don't even have a core military you can depend on, then must ask for the mercy of your superiors. Again, demoralizing.

    Replies: @wren, @Twinkie

    , @European-American
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks for your reply. I understand where you are coming from. Here's my answer, but really I don't know what I'm talking about, so feel free to ignore:

    I doubt Europe has similar tech problems to Taiwan. Taiwan's situation is so peculiar, many of its problems are really one of a kind. It feels like it doesn't have much margin for maneuver at all. Such a small, but rich, country, with so many big problems... This crazy situation reminds me a bit of Israel's, but Taiwan has, by construction, less sense of identity and purpose, less freedom to act, and less political influence.

    European countries certainly do have plenty of reasons to worry about being left behind technologically by the US and China. (And they have a whole different set of problems with low-quality immigration, which Taiwan doesn't seem to have, despite Vietnamese and Filipino and Indonesian etc. (short-term?) immigrants) But European countries are not constantly in Taiwan's risky situation where its very existence as a sovereign nation is directly threatened.

    With regard to the tech industry, Europe and Taiwan may have one thing going for them: Europe's cultural closeness with the US and Silicon Valley is a little bit like Taiwan's cultural closeness to China. I know many in Taiwan prefer to avoid looking towards China, but there must be some benefits to the close business and cultural connections they have with China. A lot of Europeans seem pretty clueless about China.

  173. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    A lack of imagination?

    You're projecting Twinkie: http://www.nigerianwatch.com/nigerian-uber-driver-in-u-s-returns-lost-700-to-its-owner/

    http://www.nigerianmonitor.com/photo-lagos-airport-cleaner-returns-n12-million-found-in-toilet-to-owner/

    https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,122687.0.html

    That said the idea that Japanese kids "just don't" buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.

    P.S That "good sort of civic sense" is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you'll find it there.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.

    I made it as far as Cameroon. While I met some wonderful Africans, it did not improve my overall opinion of Africans as a whole. The words “unimaginable corruption” come to mind.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Daniel Chieh

    Cool, you should visit more of the people. The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won't even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

  174. @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    Its partly that, but the deeper issue is that the Taiwanese have become split among factional conflicts and gotten heavily brain drained at this point; even more demoralizing than military humiliation might be economic humiliation: much of the higher educated Taiwanese just leave the province to get a job in China, and disappointment in the "end of history" female president Tsai Ing-wen is so high now that 1)Emperor Xi is more popular in Taiwan than President Tsai, and 2)almost 15% of Taiwanese want to become part of China now(up 5% in a single year).

    This doesn't seem like a country that's about to put up a fight.

    I suppose I'm unfairly biased to the technical side, but that's where a lot of the deadness comes from. Its almost impossible to do anything cutting-edge in Taiwan, if you're into drones or artificial intelligence, then your options really are either China or the US.

    I think that parts of the Europe have similar brain drain issues, though, no? Finland. But fortunately, its mostly internal from what I hear and if I was going to speculate, becomes something like "Germany gets everyone."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @European-American

    Adding this:

    The reason why Taiwan could be independent, too, was that the vast majority of its soldiers were KMT waisenren like my family: part of the massive flow of defeated soldiers that then held the line against the Communists by fighting on numerous small islands. Some units took 80% casualties. These were hardened anti-Communist soldiers who were willing to do anything to maintain a hope of defeating the communists. Along the way, they also rebuilt Taiwan into a tiny, but meaningful industrial and economic power.

    Since then, though, the native islanders who were on Taiwan before have executed a liberal march through institutions, blamed the KMT for everything, constantly deride and demonize the waisenren . Its like if white New Zelanders fought and died en masse to defend Maori, and then many years later, you only hear about how terrible the whites are and ignore the fact that the very remaining existence of the Maori and country is because of these whites.

    Of course, the waisenren continue to make up the vast majority of the military because while the natives are very demanding and mouthy, they apparently don’t really give a shit about the entire “dying” part. This is pretty demoralizing, as you might imagine. So the result now is that the Taiwanese government is always begging for help from the United States or Japan, because if you don’t even have a core military you can depend on, then must ask for the mercy of your superiors. Again, demoralizing.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Daniel Chieh

    Daniel, I am sad to hear about Taiwan.

    I visited many times from the mid 80's to very early 90's and really liked the country and the people.

    I studied Chinese for a few years in college, so getting around and communicating weren't issues.

    Your comments made sense, but I hope the country can get back on track.

    , @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    Points taken about the whiney natives in Taiwan, but the KMT was pretty repressive and bloodthirsty in the early years of its rule on Taiwan. Also, it's not the natives who are doing business in PRC, which poses a mortal threat to the current way of life on Taiwan.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  175. @European-American
    @Twinkie

    Long ago in Switzerland they had newspaper dispensers that worked on the honor system: you took a paper, and you put in a coin. There was no mechanism requiring payment. I looked at those boxes in disbelief: wouldn’t people be tempted to just take a paper without paying?

    Later I went to the US and saw they had newspaper boxes that required payment of a quarter to open. But then you could take as many papers as you wanted! I was similarly surprised that such a system could work.

    Something about a society of abundance combined with basic civic sense of duty made such schemes possible. I’m ashamed that, as a young outsider, they just made me think of how easy it would be to steal or vandalize. But I could also see how precious such a living fairy tale was.

    Even today in Switzerland, there are small stores by the road where you can buy flowers or vegetables. You take what you want and leave the amount of money specified. No one is there to check on you. Not even a webcam, as I recall.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @wren

    I remember that. They didn’t have webcams when I saw it because the technology hadn’t been invented yet; the honor system was just strong enough that if anyone stole, it would assumed that he probably needed it badly and would pay for it later somehow.

    It was really marvelous.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    I live in a county of millions of people, but the honor system is alive and well at farmers’ markets.

    The closest one to me is held at my parish church parking lot. Sometimes the sellers go to the bathroom and leave their stands unattended. Buyers just leave the money and take the items. My local area, though, is 80% white, 15% Asian, with blacks at under 1% and Hispanics at 2%.

    The buyers at that farmers’ market is overwhelmingly white and East Asian.

    Replies: @Anon

  176. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    That said the idea that Japanese kids “just don’t” buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.
     
    East Asian kids are orders of magnitude less prone to impulsive and dysfunctional behaviors than sub-Saharan Africans. You just have no clue.

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.
     
    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour. And that particular tour strengthened my “prejudice” about Africans. Reality does that.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.
     
    Don’t be stupider than you already are. I worked counterterrorism on three continents.

    By the way, it might make the news when an individual Ethiopian returns money found in public, but it doesn’t in Japan, because it’s normal, not extraordinary. You just have no idea in your ignorant mind just how different Japan is from Nigeria, e.g. there are more than 30 times as many homicides in the latter as compared to the former, per capita. That alone should give you an inkling, were you even the least bit rational.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Nigerian Nationalist

    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour.

    If you don’t mind my asking – was this East or West? Arab or black?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    East. Both.

    I’ve also trained West Africans.

    I actually have a high regard for Chadian desert forces. And I mentioned several times around these parts that German African Schuetztruppe performed excellently in WW I even against colonial European troops when well-led and -trained.

    Unlike some here, I don’t have a blind hatred of blacks. I’ve met black heroes and I mean well for my fellow Americans who are black. But, average population differences are what they are and have social implications.

  177. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour.
     
    If you don't mind my asking - was this East or West? Arab or black?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    East. Both.

    I’ve also trained West Africans.

    I actually have a high regard for Chadian desert forces. And I mentioned several times around these parts that German African Schuetztruppe performed excellently in WW I even against colonial European troops when well-led and -trained.

    Unlike some here, I don’t have a blind hatred of blacks. I’ve met black heroes and I mean well for my fellow Americans who are black. But, average population differences are what they are and have social implications.

  178. @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    I remember that. They didn't have webcams when I saw it because the technology hadn't been invented yet; the honor system was just strong enough that if anyone stole, it would assumed that he probably needed it badly and would pay for it later somehow.

    It was really marvelous.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I live in a county of millions of people, but the honor system is alive and well at farmers’ markets.

    The closest one to me is held at my parish church parking lot. Sometimes the sellers go to the bathroom and leave their stands unattended. Buyers just leave the money and take the items. My local area, though, is 80% white, 15% Asian, with blacks at under 1% and Hispanics at 2%.

    The buyers at that farmers’ market is overwhelmingly white and East Asian.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    Agree, remember this from Henrietta NY a few years ago. A few miles from downtown Rochester and what a difference!

  179. @wren
    It is interesting how the 雰囲気 changes in the comments threads after a day or two has passed.

    It's like the sun has long gone down, the raucous laughter of parties has died down and the various night creatures come out or something.

    Still a while til last call though.

    On a different topic, I sometimes wonder how many of Steve's readers are folks who have spent a considerable amount of time in Asia.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Buck Turgidson

    I read more than I comment here — but 1.5 years living in Asia (Singapore & Thailand).

  180. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    That said the idea that Japanese kids “just don’t” buy beer from off those vending machines is the sort of tall tale meant to be accepted with a pinch of salt.
     
    East Asian kids are orders of magnitude less prone to impulsive and dysfunctional behaviors than sub-Saharan Africans. You just have no clue.

    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.
     
    No thanks. I saw enough of Africa in my last tour. And that particular tour strengthened my “prejudice” about Africans. Reality does that.

    Or you can stay hugging your pillow, afraid of the world.
     
    Don’t be stupider than you already are. I worked counterterrorism on three continents.

    By the way, it might make the news when an individual Ethiopian returns money found in public, but it doesn’t in Japan, because it’s normal, not extraordinary. You just have no idea in your ignorant mind just how different Japan is from Nigeria, e.g. there are more than 30 times as many homicides in the latter as compared to the former, per capita. That alone should give you an inkling, were you even the least bit rational.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Ahh, the old “I was a veteran” gag, which you know me enough to know I’ll just believe, right?

    Now back to the original argument–which you’ve moved off differing tangents many times already– Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it’s the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.

    P.S No it “didn’t make the news”, those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked. As for murder rate, America’s weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels, however, a weak State does not, bad people its citizens make. Bad Yoga reference, don’t be anal.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Ahh, the old “I was a veteran” gag, which you know me enough to know I’ll just believe, right?
     
    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.

    Now back to the original argument–which you’ve moved off differing tangents many times already– Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it’s the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.
     
    Look up "proxy" in social science research.

    Then, try this: http://www.nordicwelfare.org/PageFiles/29196/Drinking%20among%20Japanese%20youth%20-%20a%20paradox%20for%20theories%20of%20alcohol%20availability.pdf

    Quick summary: Despite the wide availability of alcohol vending machines in Japan, alcohol consumption by minors is comparatively low. Note: I am not saying no Japanese youngster drinks alcohol, but rather that, due likely to some combination of genetic and cultural reasons, they refrain from doing so even when they can "get away with it." The researcher attributes this to culture or, in his words, "collectivistic Japanese values," by which he seems to mean aversion to breaking rules and social norms even when no one is looking, in this particular context.

    It's obvious to most people on this website that, even controlling for family income, people - including youths - of different races, on average, have different propensities toward rule-breaking, impulsivity, risk-aversion, time-orientation, etc. It's not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.

    P.S No it “didn’t make the news”, those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked.
     
    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.

    I don't doubt there are honest Nigerians, but this is not about exceptional individuals, but about the larger population-level observations. After all, I am pretty certain that murderers are in the minority in both Japan and Nigeria - it's just that murderous fraction of the population Japan is far more miniscule than in Nigeria.

    As for murder rate, America’s weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels
     
    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low. You can also see this by race in the United States.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?
     
    I disdain them both for different reasons.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  181. @Daniel Chieh
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    P.S That “good sort of civic sense” is common to all small communities, if you ever abandon your prejudice and make it to a small Nigerian village, like the one I grew up in, you’ll find it there.
     
    I made it as far as Cameroon. While I met some wonderful Africans, it did not improve my overall opinion of Africans as a whole. The words "unimaginable corruption" come to mind.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    Cool, you should visit more of the people. The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won’t even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won’t even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?
     
    Argh. You just don't get it, do you?

    Let me make it very simple.

    In country A, 90% of people are good. 10% are murderers.

    In country B, 99.99% of people are good. 0.01% are murderers.

    In both countries, murderers are a small minority. But I can tell you the social (including criminal) conditions are going to be vastly different.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    That's fine, but it doesn't mean that 100% of people won't be affected by the 10% that are corrupt. And this is low-level corruption well beyond even third world countries; in some places in Pakistan, for example, you can expect to lose 10% of your income for bribes, etc. In Cameroon, it approached 90% and made business unviable. Corruption isn't even the right word for it, its legal robbery often enough and to the level that destroys the host. The honest, logical thing to do is to hide your income from would-be robbers, and essentially, participate in your own form of corruption(tax evasion).

    Its simply ridiculous.

    This is not a functioning society as we understand it, in the modern sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

  182. @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    I live in a county of millions of people, but the honor system is alive and well at farmers’ markets.

    The closest one to me is held at my parish church parking lot. Sometimes the sellers go to the bathroom and leave their stands unattended. Buyers just leave the money and take the items. My local area, though, is 80% white, 15% Asian, with blacks at under 1% and Hispanics at 2%.

    The buyers at that farmers’ market is overwhelmingly white and East Asian.

    Replies: @Anon

    Agree, remember this from Henrietta NY a few years ago. A few miles from downtown Rochester and what a difference!

  183. @European-American
    @Twinkie

    Long ago in Switzerland they had newspaper dispensers that worked on the honor system: you took a paper, and you put in a coin. There was no mechanism requiring payment. I looked at those boxes in disbelief: wouldn’t people be tempted to just take a paper without paying?

    Later I went to the US and saw they had newspaper boxes that required payment of a quarter to open. But then you could take as many papers as you wanted! I was similarly surprised that such a system could work.

    Something about a society of abundance combined with basic civic sense of duty made such schemes possible. I’m ashamed that, as a young outsider, they just made me think of how easy it would be to steal or vandalize. But I could also see how precious such a living fairy tale was.

    Even today in Switzerland, there are small stores by the road where you can buy flowers or vegetables. You take what you want and leave the amount of money specified. No one is there to check on you. Not even a webcam, as I recall.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @wren

    I still buy flowers and vegetables by the side of the road on a regular basis.

    It is all on the honor system, and seems to work.

    Up until a few years ago, my family did it on a nearly daily basis.

    It saved a lot of money and was fresher.

    Perhaps my children will one day look back on this honor system with a sense of wonder.

    But I hope not.

  184. @Daniel Chieh
    @Daniel Chieh

    Adding this:

    The reason why Taiwan could be independent, too, was that the vast majority of its soldiers were KMT waisenren like my family: part of the massive flow of defeated soldiers that then held the line against the Communists by fighting on numerous small islands. Some units took 80% casualties. These were hardened anti-Communist soldiers who were willing to do anything to maintain a hope of defeating the communists. Along the way, they also rebuilt Taiwan into a tiny, but meaningful industrial and economic power.

    Since then, though, the native islanders who were on Taiwan before have executed a liberal march through institutions, blamed the KMT for everything, constantly deride and demonize the waisenren . Its like if white New Zelanders fought and died en masse to defend Maori, and then many years later, you only hear about how terrible the whites are and ignore the fact that the very remaining existence of the Maori and country is because of these whites.

    Of course, the waisenren continue to make up the vast majority of the military because while the natives are very demanding and mouthy, they apparently don't really give a shit about the entire "dying" part. This is pretty demoralizing, as you might imagine. So the result now is that the Taiwanese government is always begging for help from the United States or Japan, because if you don't even have a core military you can depend on, then must ask for the mercy of your superiors. Again, demoralizing.

    Replies: @wren, @Twinkie

    Daniel, I am sad to hear about Taiwan.

    I visited many times from the mid 80’s to very early 90’s and really liked the country and the people.

    I studied Chinese for a few years in college, so getting around and communicating weren’t issues.

    Your comments made sense, but I hope the country can get back on track.

  185. @anonymous
    @wren

    I don't think that quite came across as you intended.

    God loves us all just the way we are but loves us too much to let us stay that way.

    I have spent little time in Asia but the local poets have plagiarized, more than once, my poetry.

    Cor ad cor loquitur, as we used to say back in the day.

    I recommend J. Vernon McGee on the Book of Job, although he is also near his best on Isaiah.

    Props, dude. Represent!

    Replies: @wren

    Actually, I was kind of thinking about various nightspots in Tokyo.

    Things get quieter and yet sometimes more interesting after the last train has departed for the night.

    It used to stay safe too, even in the most foreign friendly of locations, but I have heard that that isn’t the case any more.

    Believe it or not, and I haven’t really looked into it much, the problem is Nigerians.

    Now I don’t know if the problem was Nigerians themselves, or if they were just doing the work of the Yakuza behind the scenes, but I am not making this up.

    Also, it helps to have a name.

  186. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    Ahh, the old "I was a veteran" gag, which you know me enough to know I'll just believe, right?

    Now back to the original argument--which you've moved off differing tangents many times already-- Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it's the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.

    P.S No it "didn't make the news", those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked. As for murder rate, America's weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels, however, a weak State does not, bad people its citizens make. Bad Yoga reference, don't be anal.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Ahh, the old “I was a veteran” gag, which you know me enough to know I’ll just believe, right?

    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.

    Now back to the original argument–which you’ve moved off differing tangents many times already– Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it’s the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.

    Look up “proxy” in social science research.

    Then, try this: http://www.nordicwelfare.org/PageFiles/29196/Drinking%20among%20Japanese%20youth%20-%20a%20paradox%20for%20theories%20of%20alcohol%20availability.pdf

    Quick summary: Despite the wide availability of alcohol vending machines in Japan, alcohol consumption by minors is comparatively low. Note: I am not saying no Japanese youngster drinks alcohol, but rather that, due likely to some combination of genetic and cultural reasons, they refrain from doing so even when they can “get away with it.” The researcher attributes this to culture or, in his words, “collectivistic Japanese values,” by which he seems to mean aversion to breaking rules and social norms even when no one is looking, in this particular context.

    It’s obvious to most people on this website that, even controlling for family income, people – including youths – of different races, on average, have different propensities toward rule-breaking, impulsivity, risk-aversion, time-orientation, etc. It’s not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.

    P.S No it “didn’t make the news”, those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked.

    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.

    I don’t doubt there are honest Nigerians, but this is not about exceptional individuals, but about the larger population-level observations. After all, I am pretty certain that murderers are in the minority in both Japan and Nigeria – it’s just that murderous fraction of the population Japan is far more miniscule than in Nigeria.

    As for murder rate, America’s weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels

    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low. You can also see this by race in the United States.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?

    I disdain them both for different reasons.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    Okay, let's start at the top Capitan...


    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.
     
    You said military, I assumed veteran...easy enough error. Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.

    It’s not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.
     
    Neither do you when it contradicts your views. E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking. In addition, how would you square their actions in their imperialist era?

    I'm more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income. I'm saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.

    A Yakuza and a militant from the N/D for example are likelier to share a familial income level--differing societal scales taken into account of course-- than the kids of Billionaires from both countries. Crime is about peer influence and opportunities afterall. I'm also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles...


    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.
     
    You're a smart guy(gal?), I'm sure you've heard of implicit bias. People go to Japan expecting "OVERALL culture", a function of anime and what is--we can be honest here-- a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture. But again, I'm willing to bet that the Norwegians aren't petty thieves either. Bringing us back to the income thing.

    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low.
     
    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don't just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country. Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina--despite a roughly similar racial profile-- due its high inequality ergo more poor people.

    I disdain them both for different reasons.
     
    I like how you don't treat people as individuals, really something.

    You know, rather than bothering poor Steve--thanks BTW for your tolerance Mr Sailer-- we could just exchange emails, but then you might show your "cultural milieu" (:

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Singh

  187. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Daniel Chieh

    Cool, you should visit more of the people. The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won't even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won’t even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?

    Argh. You just don’t get it, do you?

    Let me make it very simple.

    In country A, 90% of people are good. 10% are murderers.

    In country B, 99.99% of people are good. 0.01% are murderers.

    In both countries, murderers are a small minority. But I can tell you the social (including criminal) conditions are going to be vastly different.

  188. @Daniel Chieh
    @Daniel Chieh

    Adding this:

    The reason why Taiwan could be independent, too, was that the vast majority of its soldiers were KMT waisenren like my family: part of the massive flow of defeated soldiers that then held the line against the Communists by fighting on numerous small islands. Some units took 80% casualties. These were hardened anti-Communist soldiers who were willing to do anything to maintain a hope of defeating the communists. Along the way, they also rebuilt Taiwan into a tiny, but meaningful industrial and economic power.

    Since then, though, the native islanders who were on Taiwan before have executed a liberal march through institutions, blamed the KMT for everything, constantly deride and demonize the waisenren . Its like if white New Zelanders fought and died en masse to defend Maori, and then many years later, you only hear about how terrible the whites are and ignore the fact that the very remaining existence of the Maori and country is because of these whites.

    Of course, the waisenren continue to make up the vast majority of the military because while the natives are very demanding and mouthy, they apparently don't really give a shit about the entire "dying" part. This is pretty demoralizing, as you might imagine. So the result now is that the Taiwanese government is always begging for help from the United States or Japan, because if you don't even have a core military you can depend on, then must ask for the mercy of your superiors. Again, demoralizing.

    Replies: @wren, @Twinkie

    Points taken about the whiney natives in Taiwan, but the KMT was pretty repressive and bloodthirsty in the early years of its rule on Taiwan. Also, it’s not the natives who are doing business in PRC, which poses a mortal threat to the current way of life on Taiwan.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Twinkie

    What was done was necessary.

    And "current way of life?" Had I known that they would go rah rah for gay rights and same sex marriages now, I would have told my dead family not to bother.

  189. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Ahh, the old “I was a veteran” gag, which you know me enough to know I’ll just believe, right?
     
    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.

    Now back to the original argument–which you’ve moved off differing tangents many times already– Japanese kids are drinking alcohol. FFS it’s the sort of adventurous living that comes with the first bout of teenage hormones.
     
    Look up "proxy" in social science research.

    Then, try this: http://www.nordicwelfare.org/PageFiles/29196/Drinking%20among%20Japanese%20youth%20-%20a%20paradox%20for%20theories%20of%20alcohol%20availability.pdf

    Quick summary: Despite the wide availability of alcohol vending machines in Japan, alcohol consumption by minors is comparatively low. Note: I am not saying no Japanese youngster drinks alcohol, but rather that, due likely to some combination of genetic and cultural reasons, they refrain from doing so even when they can "get away with it." The researcher attributes this to culture or, in his words, "collectivistic Japanese values," by which he seems to mean aversion to breaking rules and social norms even when no one is looking, in this particular context.

    It's obvious to most people on this website that, even controlling for family income, people - including youths - of different races, on average, have different propensities toward rule-breaking, impulsivity, risk-aversion, time-orientation, etc. It's not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.

    P.S No it “didn’t make the news”, those are obscure blogs, they were a direct response to the article you yourself linked.
     
    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.

    I don't doubt there are honest Nigerians, but this is not about exceptional individuals, but about the larger population-level observations. After all, I am pretty certain that murderers are in the minority in both Japan and Nigeria - it's just that murderous fraction of the population Japan is far more miniscule than in Nigeria.

    As for murder rate, America’s weirdness aside, that clearly correlates with income levels
     
    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low. You can also see this by race in the United States.

    Unless of course, you believe slave driving Qataris are much better than the African villager you so disdain?
     
    I disdain them both for different reasons.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    Okay, let’s start at the top Capitan…

    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.

    You said military, I assumed veteran…easy enough error. Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.

    It’s not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.

    Neither do you when it contradicts your views. E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking. In addition, how would you square their actions in their imperialist era?

    I’m more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income. I’m saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.

    A Yakuza and a militant from the N/D for example are likelier to share a familial income level–differing societal scales taken into account of course– than the kids of Billionaires from both countries. Crime is about peer influence and opportunities afterall. I’m also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles…

    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.

    You’re a smart guy(gal?), I’m sure you’ve heard of implicit bias. People go to Japan expecting “OVERALL culture”, a function of anime and what is–we can be honest here– a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture. But again, I’m willing to bet that the Norwegians aren’t petty thieves either. Bringing us back to the income thing.

    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low.

    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don’t just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country. Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina–despite a roughly similar racial profile– due its high inequality ergo more poor people.

    I disdain them both for different reasons.

    I like how you don’t treat people as individuals, really something.

    You know, rather than bothering poor Steve–thanks BTW for your tolerance Mr Sailer– we could just exchange emails, but then you might show your “cultural milieu” (:

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    You said military, I assumed veteran…easy enough error.
     
    Go back and read again. You have a habit reading into your mind what I did not write.

    Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.
     
    Low-trust cultures are not in line with the Enlightenment, because interpersonal and social interactions are not governed by the same "rules of evidence" as, say, science. Otherwise the costs and inefficiencies of social interactions and communication would be enormous and detrimental to cohesion and smooth functioning of society. And that is why countries such as, say, Sweden and Japan are high-trust societies despite prevalence of scientism in the academic sense.

    E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking.
     
    Yes, there is corruption in Japan, but it is orders of magnitude less prevalent than that in Africa. You are either stupid or intellectually dishonest if you don't understand (or pretend to not understand) the difference between scale/comparisons as opposed to on/off phenomena.

    I’m more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income.
     
    Nope. You are woefully ill-informed. North Korea has a much higher degree of state control than other societies, including South Korea, but it has appalling poverty.

    I’m saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.
     
    You would lose that bet. In the United States, for example, even adjusting for income, blacks commit the most violent crimes per capita, then Hispanics, then whites, and then Asians. Race is a powerful predictor of crime, better than education levels, which in turn is a better predictor of crime than income levels.

    I will give you quick international example. In the aftermath of the Korean War, South Korea was in some rankings the third poorest country in the world after Sudan. However, its crime rate was much lower. The causes are likely genetic + environment.

    I’m also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles…
     
    Even when most Japanese were illiterate, they had a more orderly society than Africans. What you don't seem to understand is the rare obvious implication that both low criminality and higher studiousness (and later higher income) are correlated, because they are likely caused by the same variables (some function of genes and environment acting upon each other). It's for the same reason that, in the United States, for example, black children from families in the top income bracket perform similarly on the college entrance tests as white children from the lowest income bracket.

    a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture.
     
    It's not weird at all. There is "fetishization" because there is much to admire in Japanese culture, for the same reason many East Asians "fetishize" about Europe and North America.

    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don’t just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country.
     
    You do realize that blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics in the U.S. commit far more violent crimes than whites and Asians? Between 1980 and 2008, for example, blacks who make up only 13% of the population committed 52% of homicides (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf). The homicide rate in the U.S. would be in line with Europe if it had only whites and Asians.

    Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina–despite a roughly similar racial profile– due its high inequality ergo more poor people.
     
    "Roughly similar racial profile"? No. Brazil has a much greater fraction of the population that has African ancestry than Argentina does.* In fact, the high economic inequality in Brazil is HIGHLY RACIAL. Southern Brazil, which is heavily white (German) is prosperous. Black parts of Brazil are destitute and crime-ridden.

    *Argentina is much less black than Brazil, but has a far greater Amerindian demographic profile.

    I like how you don’t treat people as individuals, really something.
     
    More idiotic and transparent virtue-signaling.

    I am perfectly capable of separating evaluations of moral qualities of individuals and (average) national characteristics.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @Singh
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    The Black high income murder rate is several times higher than the low income white one in USA।।

    That state Centralization reduces violence is well known & your point that if African have an iq of 80 post Flynn they can still do much better than present is also correct।।

    However, being Nigerian you're likely a recent christian convert & actually believe the liberal bs.

    People operate at a group level & it's not the planet's responsibility to fix African dysfunction nor intermarry.

    That you seem to think so proves that in the end christianity exists to africanize EurAsia as a criminal is judged by his worst crime, this is christ's।।

  190. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Daniel Chieh

    Cool, you should visit more of the people. The idea of judging them for the failings of a tiny sliver of its populace makes no sense.

    90%, if not more of Africans won't even get the chance to be corrupt. Who then are the real Africans, 90 or 10?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    That’s fine, but it doesn’t mean that 100% of people won’t be affected by the 10% that are corrupt. And this is low-level corruption well beyond even third world countries; in some places in Pakistan, for example, you can expect to lose 10% of your income for bribes, etc. In Cameroon, it approached 90% and made business unviable. Corruption isn’t even the right word for it, its legal robbery often enough and to the level that destroys the host. The honest, logical thing to do is to hide your income from would-be robbers, and essentially, participate in your own form of corruption(tax evasion).

    Its simply ridiculous.

    This is not a functioning society as we understand it, in the modern sense.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh


    That’s fine, but it doesn’t mean that 100% of people won’t be affected by the 10% that are corrupt.
     
    Absolutely. It should be plain to any reasonable intellect that 10% of the population that is corrupt (or murderous, etc.) can capture the society far more effectively than if the percentage were, say, 1%.

    Nigerian Nationalist likes to obfuscate comparisons across cultures, peoples, and countries by the tired mantra that only a small minorities engage in wrongdoing in all societies, completely ignoring the issue of scale.

    There is a HUGE qualitative difference in life in a society when one country has a homicide rate of 0.3 per 100,000 people and the other country has over 9 homicides per 100,000. Sure, the homicidal fractions of the respective populations are going to be small minorities in both, but the differing scales/fractions matter a great deal.
    , @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    There was a joke I heard decades ago. It goes something like this:

    An African economic minister befriends an Asian economic minister at an international development conference and visits his home later. The Asian minister's house is luxurious! The African asks the Asian, "I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $3000 a month. How is it that you can have a luxurious home like this?" The Asian then points outside his window, "Do you see that gleaming new bridge?" He then points at himself, "50 percent."

    Later, the Asian minister visits the African. The African has a palatial home that makes the Asian minister's home seem puny! The Asian asks, "I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $300 a month. How can you have a HUGE palace like this?" The African then point outside the window, "Do you see that bridge?" The Asian is confused and replies, "What bridge?"

    The African points at himself and replies, "100 percent."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  191. @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    Points taken about the whiney natives in Taiwan, but the KMT was pretty repressive and bloodthirsty in the early years of its rule on Taiwan. Also, it's not the natives who are doing business in PRC, which poses a mortal threat to the current way of life on Taiwan.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    What was done was necessary.

    And “current way of life?” Had I known that they would go rah rah for gay rights and same sex marriages now, I would have told my dead family not to bother.

  192. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    Okay, let's start at the top Capitan...


    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.
     
    You said military, I assumed veteran...easy enough error. Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.

    It’s not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.
     
    Neither do you when it contradicts your views. E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking. In addition, how would you square their actions in their imperialist era?

    I'm more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income. I'm saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.

    A Yakuza and a militant from the N/D for example are likelier to share a familial income level--differing societal scales taken into account of course-- than the kids of Billionaires from both countries. Crime is about peer influence and opportunities afterall. I'm also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles...


    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.
     
    You're a smart guy(gal?), I'm sure you've heard of implicit bias. People go to Japan expecting "OVERALL culture", a function of anime and what is--we can be honest here-- a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture. But again, I'm willing to bet that the Norwegians aren't petty thieves either. Bringing us back to the income thing.

    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low.
     
    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don't just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country. Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina--despite a roughly similar racial profile-- due its high inequality ergo more poor people.

    I disdain them both for different reasons.
     
    I like how you don't treat people as individuals, really something.

    You know, rather than bothering poor Steve--thanks BTW for your tolerance Mr Sailer-- we could just exchange emails, but then you might show your "cultural milieu" (:

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Singh

    You said military, I assumed veteran…easy enough error.

    Go back and read again. You have a habit reading into your mind what I did not write.

    Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.

    Low-trust cultures are not in line with the Enlightenment, because interpersonal and social interactions are not governed by the same “rules of evidence” as, say, science. Otherwise the costs and inefficiencies of social interactions and communication would be enormous and detrimental to cohesion and smooth functioning of society. And that is why countries such as, say, Sweden and Japan are high-trust societies despite prevalence of scientism in the academic sense.

    E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking.

    Yes, there is corruption in Japan, but it is orders of magnitude less prevalent than that in Africa. You are either stupid or intellectually dishonest if you don’t understand (or pretend to not understand) the difference between scale/comparisons as opposed to on/off phenomena.

    I’m more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income.

    Nope. You are woefully ill-informed. North Korea has a much higher degree of state control than other societies, including South Korea, but it has appalling poverty.

    I’m saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.

    You would lose that bet. In the United States, for example, even adjusting for income, blacks commit the most violent crimes per capita, then Hispanics, then whites, and then Asians. Race is a powerful predictor of crime, better than education levels, which in turn is a better predictor of crime than income levels.

    I will give you quick international example. In the aftermath of the Korean War, South Korea was in some rankings the third poorest country in the world after Sudan. However, its crime rate was much lower. The causes are likely genetic + environment.

    I’m also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles…

    Even when most Japanese were illiterate, they had a more orderly society than Africans. What you don’t seem to understand is the rare obvious implication that both low criminality and higher studiousness (and later higher income) are correlated, because they are likely caused by the same variables (some function of genes and environment acting upon each other). It’s for the same reason that, in the United States, for example, black children from families in the top income bracket perform similarly on the college entrance tests as white children from the lowest income bracket.

    a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture.

    It’s not weird at all. There is “fetishization” because there is much to admire in Japanese culture, for the same reason many East Asians “fetishize” about Europe and North America.

    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don’t just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country.

    You do realize that blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics in the U.S. commit far more violent crimes than whites and Asians? Between 1980 and 2008, for example, blacks who make up only 13% of the population committed 52% of homicides (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf). The homicide rate in the U.S. would be in line with Europe if it had only whites and Asians.

    Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina–despite a roughly similar racial profile– due its high inequality ergo more poor people.

    “Roughly similar racial profile”? No. Brazil has a much greater fraction of the population that has African ancestry than Argentina does.* In fact, the high economic inequality in Brazil is HIGHLY RACIAL. Southern Brazil, which is heavily white (German) is prosperous. Black parts of Brazil are destitute and crime-ridden.

    *Argentina is much less black than Brazil, but has a far greater Amerindian demographic profile.

    I like how you don’t treat people as individuals, really something.

    More idiotic and transparent virtue-signaling.

    I am perfectly capable of separating evaluations of moral qualities of individuals and (average) national characteristics.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie


    Go back and read again. You have a habit reading into your mind what I did not write.
     
    You said Counter-terrorism, I assumed military 'cause they are who I know of who have been leading C-T ops on the continent, I apologise.

    Low-trust cultures are not in line with the Enlightenment...
     
    I doubted a specific anecdotal story, if a lack of gullibility is the result of my larger social sphere, I accept. P.S Re "costs and inefficiencies" the US seems to have done alright, perhaps because the larger society matters little in the place of singular institutions mitigating those faults? Hence Sports teams and the military integrating successfully before the larger society. So again, I'll stick with my stance that it's the quality of institutions that matter.

    Yes, there is corruption in Japan, but it is orders of magnitude less prevalent than that in Africa.
     
    Nope, here you skip the crux of my point. It was made in response to your assertion that "different races, on average, have different propensities toward rule-breaking, impulsivity, risk-aversion, time-orientation, etc." I'm saying, holdup...where were those differing propensities once the societal rules governing Japanese society were loosened? Unless of course, they still play bayonet the baby in their spare time over there.

    Hence my assertion that while I admit these things are societal/cultural, racial, I think is a bit of a stretch. P.S you also think of societal changes, for example, the difference in risk aversion across generations. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170508-the-many-reasons-that-people-are-having-less-sex

    You do realize that blacks...

     

    Again, nice dodge, but as I said, but as is obvious from the next sentence in that paragraph, I was stating that you ought to also control for the crime statistics at individual income levels.

    No. Brazil has a much greater fraction of the population that has African ancestry than Argentina does.
     
    Fine then, swap Brazil for Costa Rica.
  193. @Daniel Chieh
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    That's fine, but it doesn't mean that 100% of people won't be affected by the 10% that are corrupt. And this is low-level corruption well beyond even third world countries; in some places in Pakistan, for example, you can expect to lose 10% of your income for bribes, etc. In Cameroon, it approached 90% and made business unviable. Corruption isn't even the right word for it, its legal robbery often enough and to the level that destroys the host. The honest, logical thing to do is to hide your income from would-be robbers, and essentially, participate in your own form of corruption(tax evasion).

    Its simply ridiculous.

    This is not a functioning society as we understand it, in the modern sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

    That’s fine, but it doesn’t mean that 100% of people won’t be affected by the 10% that are corrupt.

    Absolutely. It should be plain to any reasonable intellect that 10% of the population that is corrupt (or murderous, etc.) can capture the society far more effectively than if the percentage were, say, 1%.

    Nigerian Nationalist likes to obfuscate comparisons across cultures, peoples, and countries by the tired mantra that only a small minorities engage in wrongdoing in all societies, completely ignoring the issue of scale.

    There is a HUGE qualitative difference in life in a society when one country has a homicide rate of 0.3 per 100,000 people and the other country has over 9 homicides per 100,000. Sure, the homicidal fractions of the respective populations are going to be small minorities in both, but the differing scales/fractions matter a great deal.

  194. @Daniel Chieh
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    That's fine, but it doesn't mean that 100% of people won't be affected by the 10% that are corrupt. And this is low-level corruption well beyond even third world countries; in some places in Pakistan, for example, you can expect to lose 10% of your income for bribes, etc. In Cameroon, it approached 90% and made business unviable. Corruption isn't even the right word for it, its legal robbery often enough and to the level that destroys the host. The honest, logical thing to do is to hide your income from would-be robbers, and essentially, participate in your own form of corruption(tax evasion).

    Its simply ridiculous.

    This is not a functioning society as we understand it, in the modern sense.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie

    There was a joke I heard decades ago. It goes something like this:

    An African economic minister befriends an Asian economic minister at an international development conference and visits his home later. The Asian minister’s house is luxurious! The African asks the Asian, “I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $3000 a month. How is it that you can have a luxurious home like this?” The Asian then points outside his window, “Do you see that gleaming new bridge?” He then points at himself, “50 percent.”

    Later, the Asian minister visits the African. The African has a palatial home that makes the Asian minister’s home seem puny! The Asian asks, “I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $300 a month. How can you have a HUGE palace like this?” The African then point outside the window, “Do you see that bridge?” The Asian is confused and replies, “What bridge?”

    The African points at himself and replies, “100 percent.”

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Twinkie

    Unfortunately true to life.

  195. @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh

    There was a joke I heard decades ago. It goes something like this:

    An African economic minister befriends an Asian economic minister at an international development conference and visits his home later. The Asian minister's house is luxurious! The African asks the Asian, "I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $3000 a month. How is it that you can have a luxurious home like this?" The Asian then points outside his window, "Do you see that gleaming new bridge?" He then points at himself, "50 percent."

    Later, the Asian minister visits the African. The African has a palatial home that makes the Asian minister's home seem puny! The Asian asks, "I know you are a civil servant and only get paid $300 a month. How can you have a HUGE palace like this?" The African then point outside the window, "Do you see that bridge?" The Asian is confused and replies, "What bridge?"

    The African points at himself and replies, "100 percent."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Unfortunately true to life.

  196. @Daniel Chieh
    @European-American

    Its partly that, but the deeper issue is that the Taiwanese have become split among factional conflicts and gotten heavily brain drained at this point; even more demoralizing than military humiliation might be economic humiliation: much of the higher educated Taiwanese just leave the province to get a job in China, and disappointment in the "end of history" female president Tsai Ing-wen is so high now that 1)Emperor Xi is more popular in Taiwan than President Tsai, and 2)almost 15% of Taiwanese want to become part of China now(up 5% in a single year).

    This doesn't seem like a country that's about to put up a fight.

    I suppose I'm unfairly biased to the technical side, but that's where a lot of the deadness comes from. Its almost impossible to do anything cutting-edge in Taiwan, if you're into drones or artificial intelligence, then your options really are either China or the US.

    I think that parts of the Europe have similar brain drain issues, though, no? Finland. But fortunately, its mostly internal from what I hear and if I was going to speculate, becomes something like "Germany gets everyone."

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @European-American

    Thanks for your reply. I understand where you are coming from. Here’s my answer, but really I don’t know what I’m talking about, so feel free to ignore:

    I doubt Europe has similar tech problems to Taiwan. Taiwan’s situation is so peculiar, many of its problems are really one of a kind. It feels like it doesn’t have much margin for maneuver at all. Such a small, but rich, country, with so many big problems… This crazy situation reminds me a bit of Israel’s, but Taiwan has, by construction, less sense of identity and purpose, less freedom to act, and less political influence.

    European countries certainly do have plenty of reasons to worry about being left behind technologically by the US and China. (And they have a whole different set of problems with low-quality immigration, which Taiwan doesn’t seem to have, despite Vietnamese and Filipino and Indonesian etc. (short-term?) immigrants) But European countries are not constantly in Taiwan’s risky situation where its very existence as a sovereign nation is directly threatened.

    With regard to the tech industry, Europe and Taiwan may have one thing going for them: Europe’s cultural closeness with the US and Silicon Valley is a little bit like Taiwan’s cultural closeness to China. I know many in Taiwan prefer to avoid looking towards China, but there must be some benefits to the close business and cultural connections they have with China. A lot of Europeans seem pretty clueless about China.

  197. @Karl
    @Altai

    45 Altai > Is Manila not safe?


    it's certainly safer than most of California, and Manila is the most dangerous place in the Philippines

    but that's not why I came here today.

    I came here today to mention that Japan ==does== have a fairly liberal policy about granting residency to people who can prove that they had a Japanese grandparent.

    Many of the beneficiarees are Filipinos, because Japanese, since the 1920's or so, like to retire to the warmer climate which isn't THAT far from Nippon itself.

    You arrive in Phils as a 63 year old guy, next thing you know you've knocked up some 23 year old province beauty.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    You arrive in Phils as a 63 year old guy, next thing you know you’ve knocked up some 23 year old province beauty.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.:-) As a natalist, I heartily approve.

  198. @mobi
    @Chrisnonymous


    I left my iPhone on the train in Osaka. It made it all the way to Himeji where the conductors picked it up and put it in lost and found. Returned.

    Unfortunately, I also left my wallet in my bicycle basket in my apartment building, and it was “turned in” to the police without any cash or my pre-paid train pass in it. The police made sure to let me know that the man who “turned it in” didn’t want any reward.
     
    I surveyed my Korean adult students more than once on 'what would Koreans do with a found wallet'. Almost unanimously - 'Return it via mail or police, minus the cash'. They thought it was obvious they were entitled to the cash, and not the rest.

    I left a handful of cash on a park bench on the (deserted) oceanfront in central Fukuoka. I got a block or two away before realizing and turning back. Initially, I hurried a bit, but then I thought - 'calm down - this is Japan. Everybody knows it will still be there in a month.' So I slowed down.

    It was gone. Maybe I should have checked the local police station.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Chrisnonymous

    You missed the important point where my wallet was “recovered” out of my bicycle basket. Yes, I forgot it, but it wasn’t lying on the sidewalk.

  199. And yet, despite Japan’s track record, the number of refugee applications is significant and increasing. Why do people bother to apply?

    Are there middlemen — NGOs, lawyers — making money applying? Do people think that the dam will burst as Japan finally gets woke?

    Or it just human nature to apply despite long odds. “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”

  200. @Twinkie
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    You said military, I assumed veteran…easy enough error.
     
    Go back and read again. You have a habit reading into your mind what I did not write.

    Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.
     
    Low-trust cultures are not in line with the Enlightenment, because interpersonal and social interactions are not governed by the same "rules of evidence" as, say, science. Otherwise the costs and inefficiencies of social interactions and communication would be enormous and detrimental to cohesion and smooth functioning of society. And that is why countries such as, say, Sweden and Japan are high-trust societies despite prevalence of scientism in the academic sense.

    E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking.
     
    Yes, there is corruption in Japan, but it is orders of magnitude less prevalent than that in Africa. You are either stupid or intellectually dishonest if you don't understand (or pretend to not understand) the difference between scale/comparisons as opposed to on/off phenomena.

    I’m more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income.
     
    Nope. You are woefully ill-informed. North Korea has a much higher degree of state control than other societies, including South Korea, but it has appalling poverty.

    I’m saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.
     
    You would lose that bet. In the United States, for example, even adjusting for income, blacks commit the most violent crimes per capita, then Hispanics, then whites, and then Asians. Race is a powerful predictor of crime, better than education levels, which in turn is a better predictor of crime than income levels.

    I will give you quick international example. In the aftermath of the Korean War, South Korea was in some rankings the third poorest country in the world after Sudan. However, its crime rate was much lower. The causes are likely genetic + environment.

    I’m also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles…
     
    Even when most Japanese were illiterate, they had a more orderly society than Africans. What you don't seem to understand is the rare obvious implication that both low criminality and higher studiousness (and later higher income) are correlated, because they are likely caused by the same variables (some function of genes and environment acting upon each other). It's for the same reason that, in the United States, for example, black children from families in the top income bracket perform similarly on the college entrance tests as white children from the lowest income bracket.

    a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture.
     
    It's not weird at all. There is "fetishization" because there is much to admire in Japanese culture, for the same reason many East Asians "fetishize" about Europe and North America.

    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don’t just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country.
     
    You do realize that blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics in the U.S. commit far more violent crimes than whites and Asians? Between 1980 and 2008, for example, blacks who make up only 13% of the population committed 52% of homicides (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf). The homicide rate in the U.S. would be in line with Europe if it had only whites and Asians.

    Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina–despite a roughly similar racial profile– due its high inequality ergo more poor people.
     
    "Roughly similar racial profile"? No. Brazil has a much greater fraction of the population that has African ancestry than Argentina does.* In fact, the high economic inequality in Brazil is HIGHLY RACIAL. Southern Brazil, which is heavily white (German) is prosperous. Black parts of Brazil are destitute and crime-ridden.

    *Argentina is much less black than Brazil, but has a far greater Amerindian demographic profile.

    I like how you don’t treat people as individuals, really something.
     
    More idiotic and transparent virtue-signaling.

    I am perfectly capable of separating evaluations of moral qualities of individuals and (average) national characteristics.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    Go back and read again. You have a habit reading into your mind what I did not write.

    You said Counter-terrorism, I assumed military ’cause they are who I know of who have been leading C-T ops on the continent, I apologise.

    Low-trust cultures are not in line with the Enlightenment…

    I doubted a specific anecdotal story, if a lack of gullibility is the result of my larger social sphere, I accept. P.S Re “costs and inefficiencies” the US seems to have done alright, perhaps because the larger society matters little in the place of singular institutions mitigating those faults? Hence Sports teams and the military integrating successfully before the larger society. So again, I’ll stick with my stance that it’s the quality of institutions that matter.

    Yes, there is corruption in Japan, but it is orders of magnitude less prevalent than that in Africa.

    Nope, here you skip the crux of my point. It was made in response to your assertion that “different races, on average, have different propensities toward rule-breaking, impulsivity, risk-aversion, time-orientation, etc.” I’m saying, holdup…where were those differing propensities once the societal rules governing Japanese society were loosened? Unless of course, they still play bayonet the baby in their spare time over there.

    Hence my assertion that while I admit these things are societal/cultural, racial, I think is a bit of a stretch. P.S you also think of societal changes, for example, the difference in risk aversion across generations. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170508-the-many-reasons-that-people-are-having-less-sex

    You do realize that blacks…

    Again, nice dodge, but as I said, but as is obvious from the next sentence in that paragraph, I was stating that you ought to also control for the crime statistics at individual income levels.

    No. Brazil has a much greater fraction of the population that has African ancestry than Argentina does.

    Fine then, swap Brazil for Costa Rica.

  201. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Twinkie

    Okay, let's start at the top Capitan...


    While, yes, I did military service, that is not what I wrote. Try again.

    The fact that you immediately assume others are lying says a lot about the cultural milieu from which you hail.
     
    You said military, I assumed veteran...easy enough error. Doubting in the absence of evidence? That would put my cultural milieu in line with the enlightenment.

    It’s not obvious to you, apparently, because you refuse to see the evidences.
     
    Neither do you when it contradicts your views. E.g the Japanese have been in the news recently for quite a bit of corporate rule-breaking. In addition, how would you square their actions in their imperialist era?

    I'm more inclined towards attributing the aforementioned attributes to a high degree of State control, which correlates with income. I'm saying that rather than looking across races, you really ought to be looking at income levels. Willing to bet that at equal income levels, crime rates are similar across races.

    A Yakuza and a militant from the N/D for example are likelier to share a familial income level--differing societal scales taken into account of course-- than the kids of Billionaires from both countries. Crime is about peer influence and opportunities afterall. I'm also guessing a higher percentage of Japanese are in school than more hard drinking countries. More homework, less juveniles...


    My article was written by foreigners marveling at the OVERALL culture of most Japanese, in other words, just how honest most Japanese are in returning what belongs to others.
     
    You're a smart guy(gal?), I'm sure you've heard of implicit bias. People go to Japan expecting "OVERALL culture", a function of anime and what is--we can be honest here-- a rather weird fetishization of Japanese culture. But again, I'm willing to bet that the Norwegians aren't petty thieves either. Bringing us back to the income thing.

    You can control for income levels and get wide divergences in homicide rates. Latin America and Africa are high, Northern Europe and East Asia are low.
     
    Nice dodge with the US of A, but you don't just control for among countries, but also for among the individuals within the country. Brazil despite being middle-income has a higher crime rate than say Argentina--despite a roughly similar racial profile-- due its high inequality ergo more poor people.

    I disdain them both for different reasons.
     
    I like how you don't treat people as individuals, really something.

    You know, rather than bothering poor Steve--thanks BTW for your tolerance Mr Sailer-- we could just exchange emails, but then you might show your "cultural milieu" (:

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Singh

    The Black high income murder rate is several times higher than the low income white one in USA।।

    That state Centralization reduces violence is well known & your point that if African have an iq of 80 post Flynn they can still do much better than present is also correct।।

    However, being Nigerian you’re likely a recent christian convert & actually believe the liberal bs.

    People operate at a group level & it’s not the planet’s responsibility to fix African dysfunction nor intermarry.

    That you seem to think so proves that in the end christianity exists to africanize EurAsia as a criminal is judged by his worst crime, this is christ’s।।

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