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Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white countries like Poland and white-adjacent countries like Japan, while cheering anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma.

From Japan Times:

Ukraine war — and impact on Asia — take top billing in Japan defense white paper

BY JESSE JOHNSON
STAFF WRITER, Jul 22, 2022

Japan underscored the potentially long-lasting impact of the war in Ukraine on the Indo-Pacific region in its annual defense white paper released Friday, devoting an entirely new section to the conflict and its implications for Asia.

The focus on the ongoing conflict thousands of kilometers away comes as Japan looks warily at military powerhouse China and its plans for self-ruled Taiwan, with Prime Minister Fumio Kishida warning repeatedly that “Ukraine today may be East Asia tomorrow.”

“If Russia’s aggression is tolerated, it may give the wrong impression that unilateral changes in the status quo are allowed in other regions, including Asia,” the white paper said. …

Wars of territorial conquest were once the chief occupation of kings. But around the turn of the 20th Century, smart guys started to think that war didn’t pay anymore.

In 1891, Friedrich Engels, following the death of his collaborator Karl Marx, started advising leftists that their hopes of the workers winning a revolutionary street fight at the barricades against a standing army with modern weapons were a pipe dream.

As it happened, the Russian army was so demoralized in 1917 that it didn’t bother to fight against the Bolsheviks (perhaps testimony to Russian moodiness), but even the defeated armies of central Europe didn’t have all that much trouble in 1919 crushing Bolshevik uprisings in their countries.

In 1910, Norman Angell published The Great Illusion, which argued that conquest no longer paid. For instance, “the incentive [of the local conquered population] to produce would be sapped and the conquered area be rendered worthless. Thus, the conquering power had to leave property in the hands of the local population while incurring the costs of conquest and occupation.”

Many laugh at Angell because four years later the Great War broke out. Then again, win or lose, World War I proved a catastrophe for all the European powers that participated.

I call it the Dirt Theory of War. In the past, the payoff for war consisted of farmland and mines. But later, the economy shifted toward buildings and the the enthusiastic cooperation of the people who worked in buildings. Blowing up the buildings is unlikely to inspire the survivors to cooperate intelligently and ardently.

Over time, wars of conquest and territorial annexation fell out of fashion, especially after WWI. For instance, the Republican Coolidge Administration promoted the Kellogg-Briand pact of 1928 to outlaw aggressive war.

Some felt that this was unfair because Calvin Coolidge already ruled a vast Continent, while their own countries were in danger of starvation.

But Hitler didn’t realize that the Haber-Bosch process meant that his worldview was out of date.

But because it was, even the losers of WWII such as Germany and Japan got to keep the majority of their territory.

After about 1950, wars of territorial conquest became rarer. Generally speaking, territorial enlargement has been frowned upon.

Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays) and Iraq’s invasion of oil-rich Kuwait (a pretty reasonable exception to Angell’s law: conquest of an oil-rich country that hasn’t bothered to make allies might pay off) showed that conservative Angl0-American regimes might object.

For example, Israel’s conquests that expanded its paltry UN-allotted 1947 borders to its more defensible 1948 borders were generally accepted. On the other hand, Israel’s 1967 conquests have been controversial for the last 55 years, although the Trump-Kushner Administration was more accepting.

 
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  1. Guess “Ukraine” (if that’s what we’re calling Zelensky and the CIA) shouldn’t have been torturing and killing Russians because it looks like their attempt at an ethnic cleansing conquest of the Donbass from its own people isnt going to end well for them.

    Rules based order indeed. As you apparently didn’t originally know but have since had time to find out it was Ukraine and the West that ignored and blew up the Minsk accords.

    In January 2022, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said that “The fulfillment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s destruction. When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents.”

    Actually, it wasn’t impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Whereismyhandle

    The Minsk Accords were designed to buy time so the U.S. could arm the Ukrainians sufficiently to invade the Donbas and Crimea. If Hillary had won in 2016, they would have launched the war during her term. But that damn meddling Trump just wanted to avoid war and make deals! So the deep state smeared him as a Putin asset and then impeached him for interfering with Col. Vindman's "intra-agency consensus" plan for Ukraine. Oh yeah, and Biden and the rest of the Democrats and neocons were of course on the take from Ukraine (more accurately -- they were getting kickbacks from the U.S. taxpayer money sent there).

    The rot from the Ukraine war scheme has been poisoning U.S. politics big-time since 2014. It's not just an "over-there" issue.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Corvinus
    @Whereismyhandle

    “Actually, it wasn’t impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!“

    First, Ukraine is a nation. Second, by what metrics is it “failing”? Third, the citizens of Ukraine on their own accord have sovereignty to make their own decision to align itself with whomever they please.

    Putin is an oligarch and a dictator. He ordered the invasion of Ukraine. Will his future successor continue in with this madness?

    , @Anonymous
    @Whereismyhandle

    Fascist propaganda by one of Putin's useful idiots

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Whereismyhandle

    Yes, and if this narrative were acknowledged, it would allow the international community to recognize the new status quo in Donbass while maintaining the general condemnation of wars of expansion.

  2. I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    , @dearieme
    @SFG

    Don't forget Lenin's attack on Poland in 2020, a planned precursor to using his northern army to conquer Germany, and maybe France, and his southern to conquer Hungary, Austria, and perhaps Italy. Happily the Poles beat the Red Army on the Vistula and chased them back.

    , @AndrewR
    @SFG

    Yes, only Steve Sailer is stupid enough to try to appeal to pro-white racism in order to garner support for Zelenskyyyyyy and the CIA.

    Please kill yourself slowly and painfully, Sailer.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @SFG

    I don’t think they legitimately fear that will occur given that they are NATO members, Poland’s rhetoric about the invasion likely has more to do with historical grievances against Russia and a desire for revenge for the wrongs Russia inflicted in the past. I’ve noticed even Polish-Americans harbor intense grudges against Russia despite being 3-4 generations removed.

    , @michael droy
    @SFG

    Rather Poland wants to eat the remains of Ukraine after the lion has had his share - while pretending to be a white knight.
    Until Ukraine can get a government that can be a proper neighbour and not have US trained Nazis shelling Russian speaking civilians from afar (HIMARS make that much easier) then Russia will continue to push further in Ukraine. It will be quite happy if Poland takes control in the East. The Poles are mad, but nothing like as mad as Ukraine has been.

    In regards to 20th century history - Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    Replies: @cliff arroyo, @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    , @cliff arroyo
    @SFG

    I live in Poland and the basic idea is, when the news says "russia is invading Ukraine" Polish people hear: "russia is going to invade Poland." and indeed russian state tv and some other represenatives of the "Ukraine is not the end" school have made it clear that they want to wreck Poland as well...

    Among other reasons for Polish support of Ukraine is that Ukrainian labor in Poland has been an integral part of the country's economic success in recent years - there were an estimated 2 million in the country at any given time by the time covid started (probably an underestimation).

    I live in west Poland which probably has had fewer Ukrainians per capita than some places but I can't walk down the street for 5 minutes without hearing people speaking russian or Ukrainian or a mix of the two an I remember seeing the initial crowds in late February at the train station (which I was walking though to get to work). Almost all women and children and a few older or disabled men.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @SFG

    I don't know where Steve got his map, but it's kind of crap. You really know it's propaganda because they refuse to color Russia as being on the pro-Russia side! They color Ukraine as being anti-Russia, so it's not that the belligerents themselves are excluded. But the problem, you see, is that Russia is very large and coloring it in would defeat the map's propaganda purpose of making it seem isolated.

    In any event, why should the U.S. score points for coercing powerless countries to make meaningless statements of "support" at the UN? They just figure it's better to kiss Western Ass outwardly while routing secretly for the Russians to break down dollar hegemony and the Western sanctions threat that hangs over their countries. Make waves and you'll be next in line for a "color revolution." If they had a category for "coerced fake-friends" it would fill up the map. India, Turkey, Hungary, Brazil and Saudi Arabia, among many others, are clearly pulling for Russia on the down-low.

  3. Japan is doing the time honored small country thing of kissing up to the friendliest big power around. They’re next door to China and relations are not good (they had their own WW2 atrocities and the countries are long term rivals).

    Besides, we buy their cars and animated squid porn (I kid).

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @SFG

    Japan is still an occupied country with 36 US military bases, so they have to be subservient...

    , @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

  4. I think Israel’s 1947-48 conquests were accepted outside the art World anyway, not because Israel wasn’t very big, but because Israel got rid of the Troublesome inhabitants.
    In 1967 they took the land, along with the inhabitants and that’s been very different.
    Refugees from 4748 with Keys around their necks from the houses that they fled from maybe a very romantical vision. (less so when it’s their grandchildren). But it’s much less effective propaganda wise then people standing in their current cities near their current houses saying “occupier go home”

  5. I think Israel’s 1947-48 conquests were accepted (outside the arab World anyway), not because Israel wasn’t very big, but because Israel got rid of the Troublesome inhabitants.
    In 1967 they took the land, along with the inhabitants and that’s been very different.
    Refugees from 4748 with Keys around their necks from the houses that they fled from maybe a very romantical vision. (less so when it’s their grandchildren). But it’s much less effective propaganda wise then people standing in their current cities near their current houses saying “occupier go home”

  6. Gibberish. Poland’s feelings on Russian activity are a pure function of geography and would be exactly the same if every Pole was an Igbo. (Also the current Japanese prime minister is interested in military activity to a greater degree than his predecessors, which China and some Koreans will interpret/characterize as the exact opposite of the headline.) What part of traditional white interests is the complete and utter extermination of every last white person as punishment for the Holocaust? Is that something Latvia has been asking for?

    • Agree: AndrewR, Pop Warner, Abe
  7. In 1910, Norman Angell published The Great Illusion, which argued that conquest no longer paid.

    Indeed, a key text, lucid and cogent in equal measure.

    https://archive.org/details/europesopticalil00ange/page/n5/mode/2up?view=theater

  8. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it’s also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    • LOL: SOL
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia's size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn't Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @anon, @prosa123, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anon

    Wrong. Almost every white country's elite dislike Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. That's a very, very different statement than every white country's population.

    The US foreign policy elite are quite obviously controlled by the neocons who have an ancient ethnic grudge with Russia. Europe's foreign policy elite are trained by and/or under the thumb of the US so they do as they're told.

    Your regular Joe or Dieter doesn't care one whit about this war.

    , @Sorel McRae
    @Anon

    Really? White v. anti-White? Where the "White" position is to support a gentile-on-gentile bloodbath for the sake of Jews? Seriously, Steve, you once had integrity. This is just desperate.

    Time to retire?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Well, the proper English name for the country is White Russia, which for some strange reason we pigheadedly refuse to use. They take the second part more seriously these days, though, siding with Red Russia over Little Russia.

    Generally, we keep the English names for white places-- Copenhagen, Munich, Turin, Athens-- but go for the alien ones where the residents are nonwhite-- where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays? Replaced with something unpronounceable, that's where!

    We even make some places sound even more alien-- Kabul (which is close to the North American pronunciation of "cobble") and Qatar (likewise, "gutter").

    Too many reporters weirdly Hispanicize "Helsinki". Aren't Finns white?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  9. … but even the defeated armies of central Europe didn’t have all that much trouble in 1919 crushing Bolshevik uprisings in their countries.

    SOME of them, ahem, had quite a bit of trouble and required a Hitler-like figure, named, well… to crush them. Will Americans see that it doesn’t get this far? Yes, it’s in different form here and now, and the Communists are stupider, don’t dress as nice, and can’t read books by Marx and Engels, but make no mistake about who they are. History doesn’t repeat, but it often rhymes.

    I was glad to see the Calvin Coolidge shout out here. Correction: He didn’t “rule” any such continent. President Coolidge would be the first to deny that. He simply administered the Federal Gov’t per the US Constitution. (hasn’t happened since…)

    • Thanks: SOL
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Perhaps you'd be good enough to point out where in the Constitution is a privately held Federal Reserve Bank Issuer of Currency mentioned?

  10. Regarding your 2nd main point: You mentioned Israel, so the Old Testament should be mentioned here. Some of the thousands of wars described in it are for the gaining of new land for agriculture. Some are wars of punishment – burning the orchards, salting the earth, etc.

    I guess you have to take land to be considered as having “won” a war, but for Russia, is the war a war of punishment, to teach the West/NATO to stop pushing them? Just asking here, as I don’t follow this news as the blogger/commenters here do.

    As for the map, I agree with SFG twice above.

  11. Why has a Japan failed to give billions of dollars to Ukraine? Will they soon be sending Japanese troops to fight Russia? Actions always demonstrate why words mean little. It costs nothing for Japan to condemn Russia and implore Europeans to waste resources fighting Russia.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Japan, unlike the US, knows Ukraine is not, and never has been, of any strategic importance to them.

  12. @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    • Agree: Rob
    • Replies: @Anon
    @SFG


    I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”
     
    Interesting. But the deaths of 15k people the prior 8 years along with the U.S. arming the genocide against the [ethnic Russian] people of the Donbass didn’t stir you at all??

    https://twitter.com/DaddyPsyops/status/1550884998106222592?s=20&t=0BleR-dWlyNgXny-LEb0hQ

    Replies: @HA

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @SFG


    I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

     

    Literally thousands of Ukrainians were killed in warfare between 2014 and this year, and it wasn’t Putin who killed them.

    He also didn’t bomb Serbia to rubble in 1999. That was us.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SFG

    And the thousands killed and maimed in the Donbass from 2014 to 2021? Your selective sympathy is suspicious.

    , @pyrrhus
    @SFG

    The US bombing of harmless small countries in the last 30 years has killed at least 2 million civilians, without even a pretense of lawfulness...that should be your concern, not casualties in a country far away...

    , @IronCurtain
    @SFG

    Ever heard of Belgrade bombing by NATO or news filtering works one way? There were girls with legs blown off there too.

  13. Altai says:

    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying ‘I support Ukraine’ is code for ‘I support this US neocon proxy war’. Operation: Protect Ukraine’s Sovereignty hasn’t worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It’s not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They’d cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The ‘Russiagate’ hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn’t true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was ‘taking revenge’ for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. ‘Russiagate’ made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia’s nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn’t threaten the US or Europe, it’s powerful but not that powerful. They’re not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not ‘cancel’ the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn’t about the legality of wars of conquest, it’s about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine’s integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It’s merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn’t. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after ‘Russiagate’…

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”

    “He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment.” I think I’m beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it’s time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Altai

    You write.
    An alternative to SWIFT will be made

    Get up to date, Altai. China has the CIPS system. Russia has its own SPFS system, which it was developed since 2014. Before the Conflict, about 25 % of transactions in Russia used it. Now the vast majority use it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFS

    As it's a Wikipedia article, you can expect an anti-Russian attitude. But even it has to admit:
    In April 2022, Russian Central Bank governor said most Russian banks and 52 foreign organizations from 12 countries had received access to the SPFS.[12]

    Russia has its own Mir electronic payment system, developed from 2016 onwards. Before the Conflict, the vast majority of electronic payments in Russia were made using it, superceding Visa and Mastercard. Now nearly all are.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(payment_system)

    In the last 15 years , Russia has developed a fully self-sufficient financial system. This is very important because the only real sanctions that the West can impose on Russia are financial. As Russia now has a self-sufficient financial system, these sanctions are completely ineffective. Hence, the Ruble has strengthened considerably against the Euro and Ruble since the start of the War.

    The 2 main Western industrial countries -Japan and Germany - are heavily reliant on imported energy and commodities. America has become a hollowed out shell as a result of unilateral free trade and offshoring. When the USD loses its status as world reserve currency shortly, America will be be thrown on the rubbish tip of history.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Altai


    The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West.
     
    I suspect they're more outraged by the islands north of their northernmost main one still being held by Russia. This strikes me as the biggest geopolitical mistake Putin made, not making peace with Japan when Russia could really use a major country like it not being so hostile at the beginning of the special military operation. Another possibility is if this helps along a PRC invasion of Taiwan, Japan's economy will be crushed (along with many others). In the long term Japan also need food and fuel imports like the PRC does....

    By stupidly wasting all it’s time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made....
     
    How, pray tell, is the PRC going to find alternatives to the Western markets which buy so much of the output of "the world's workshop?" In time, I suppose it's theoretically possible the CCP could change their economy from its extremely narrow bases also including housing real estate which is melting down right now (due to their extreme financial repression about the only investment possible for the people) but I don't see them doing that yet.

    Food is potentially an issue, removing the US as a place to import it from ... if they're smart they'll also not narrow down their options there. See how much damage Xi/the CCP's pique over Australia questioning the origin of COVID ended up doing last winter due to the embargo on buying its coal, I think they were the first to suffer badly and start the fertilizer crisis (natural gas being used to fix nitrogen).

    Or maybe this is why Xi is turning up old fashioned Communist control over the population to 11, minus so far the food ration coupons which allowed your village or block committee to easily starve you to death if you got on their wrong side (Deng's economic reforms just made eating more expensive if that happened).

    My bottom line at the moment is that Xi and his new clique are so inept I don't expect good outcomes except by chance and luck. For example at last count it appears they and Russia are the only parts of the northern hemisphere having a good growing season. But for the long term I don't think their success is at all certain, probably not even likely. On the other hand Xi's getting old and may lose power as early as this year, we can't assume the PRC will continue to be badly governed although historically that's the way to bet.
    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Altai

    "The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine’s integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It’s merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia."

    True, but the majority of Americans, whose taxes are paying for it, do not understand this.

    , @Pixo
    @Altai

    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.

    It doesn’t have to fire hundreds of heavy missiles into Ukrainian residential blocks. It didn’t have a send tanks toward Kiev.

    These are all evil acts, and Russia has already lost this war, regardless of how many bombed-out depopulated oblasts it annexes, no different than if the US undertook a costly and humiliating slow and bloody invasion of Baja, Mexico, where we failed to capture cities 20 miles from our border over many months. (Actually per capita GDP is Baja Mexico is significantly higher than Ukraine)

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Anonymous
    @Altai

    You have to keep an open mind about politics. Political groups don't have friends, they have interests, and some of the interests are bizarre.


    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason,
     
    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM's natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so. Much the same is true for most of Eastern Europe.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from.
     
    So, since Obama obviously runs the White House, why is he now supporting continuation of the Ukraine/Russia conflict? Answer: Consider the rest of the Biden Administration's policies:
    * Arrest of prominent Republicans and of people who did no more than participate in an assembly declared by a sitting President to protest what they saw as a great wrong.
    * Shutting down the fossil fuel industry and spending the capital to start it up in Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
    * Borrowing such large amounts of money for immediate consumption that it cannot be paid back and has caused price inflation in the 10% to 20% range.
    * Opening the US borders so wide that even NYC and Washington DC are complaining.
    etc.
    Obama represents a Black constituency, led by 2nd generation Black African immigrants with a rank and file of Blacks whose ancestors were Southern slaves in the 1800s. They are trying to "deconstruct" the United States, and are of the opinion that losing a very risky war in Europe will contribute to the deconstruction. I'd guess that having the Neocons on their side is irritating, but considered a net positive.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

  14. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    “for essentially no reason”

    Revenge for the mistreatment of grandparents. In the past 30 years, there has been a top diplomat of Jewish heritage, who has emerged in each administration as a leader among hawks promoting confrontational policies with Russia. They all had grandparents who lived during the late Russian Empire.

    Richard Holbrooke rallied to have NATO expand during the Clinton admin, Daniel Fried was the most assertive of all during the Bush admin in calling for backing Georgia during the war, and Victoria Nuland championed the Maidan revolution during the Obama admin.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @anonymous

    Yes, thems Russians had gravely mistreated the granparents by letting them run their country in 1920s-30s. Its like, Irish mistreated the Anglos by letting the later organize Famine or two.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @anonymous

    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII. If the Jews or the Poles were going to pick sides based on what happened 70 or 100 years ago, they would pick the Russians, who really did liberate what remained of Ukrainian Jewry and Poland at the end of WWII while many Ukrainians took up with the Nazis. Putin himself does not appear to be anti-Semitic. (In fact he is very multi-cultural with all sorts of Asiatics in his administration, which makes him a strange hero for WNs)

    But none of this has anything to do with the current war. It's just that Unzites have a Unified Field Theory that everything that happens must be caused by the secret hand of the Jew.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anonymous

    , @anonymous
    @anonymous


    The wave of anti-Jewish pogroms that swept the Pale of Settlement after Tsar Nicholas II issued the October Manifesto in 1905 reflected the ethnic and political tensions and hostilities that characterized popular unrest and marred the social landscape of late Imperial Russia in that revolutionary year. In the weeks following the granting of fundamental civil rights and political liberties, pogroms directed mainly at Jews but also affecting students, intellectuals, and other national minorities broke out in hundreds of cities, towns, and villages, resulting in deaths and injuries to thousands of people.

    In the port city of Odessa alone, the police reported that at least 400 Jews and 100 non-Jews were killed and approximately 300 people, mostly Jews, were injured, with slightly over 1,600 Jewish houses, apartments, and stores incurring damage. These official figures undoubtedly underestimate the true extent of the damage, as other informed sources indicate substantially higher numbers of persons killed and injured.

    [skip]

    The lurid details of the pogrom can be found in several eyewitness and secondary accounts. Although the list of atrocities perpetrated against the Jews is too long to recount here, suffice it to say that pogromists brutally and indiscriminately beat, mutilated, and murdered defenseless Jewish men, women, and children. They hurled Jews out of windows, raped and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women, and slaughtered infants in front of their parents. In one particularly gruesome incident, pogromists hung a woman upside down by her legs and arranged the bodies of her six dead children on the floor below.

    Robert Weinberg, "The Pogrom of 1905 in Odessa: A Case Study" in Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History, John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, eds. (Cambridge,1992): 248-89

     

    Their grandparents had to live through pogroms. The grandchildren still have a burning desire to wreck revenage.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  15. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    Don’t forget Lenin’s attack on Poland in 2020, a planned precursor to using his northern army to conquer Germany, and maybe France, and his southern to conquer Hungary, Austria, and perhaps Italy. Happily the Poles beat the Red Army on the Vistula and chased them back.

    • Thanks: Alden
  16. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Nonsense, Steve.

    Total and utter nonsense.

    For starters, the 70 odd years since the end of WW2 are a purely trivial length of time to ‘judge’ things – it’s mere random noise – compared to the thousands of years of recorded history and the tens of thousands of years of unrecorded history.

    It’s a grave mistake to think that *anything* is permanent in this world of ours.

    Anyhow, just to p!ss on your cornflakes, just *WHAT* do you think that the ongoing – and decidedly *extremely aggressive* Economist imposed demographic invasion and conquest of European origin nations is?

    The only difference between this and a shooting war, (as an aside it is far more pernicious and serious than any of the ‘shooting wars’ of the previous century), is that the political leaders of the losing side are fully in cahoots with the invaders.

  17. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe Japan was referring to the U.S. military invading and occupying 1/3 of Syria?? And stealing its oil while 90% of Syrians live in poverty.

    All for The Thirteenth Tribe.

  18. Small quibble, but I don’t consider any Latin American country to be anti-white. If anything they exhibit white supremacy on steroids.

    But Anti-Anglo? Yes! I believe you once called it “Catherine of Aragon’s revenge.”

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Thea

    I think Prince Charles’ who will become sovereign sometime in the next 10 years making speeches and attending events at Mosques is also Catherine of Aragon’s revenge.

    OT a friend just called me on a landline. Both her computer and cell phone are afflicted with a red screen that flashes a sign
    “ gender equality now”. She can’t get rid of it.


    I for one would love to see gender and racial equality. Equality that includes the most discriminated demographic in America; White men.

  19. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Interesting. But the deaths of 15k people the prior 8 years along with the U.S. arming the genocide against the [ethnic Russian] people of the Donbass didn’t stir you at all??

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anon

    "the deaths of 15k people the prior 8 years along with the U.S. arming the genocide against the [ethnic Russian] people of the Donbass didn’t stir you at all??"

    You mean the deaths that happened after Russia swiped Crimea and set up its mafia statelets there?


    the number of cases of violation of the cease-fire regime grew at the beginning of 2021. However, the majority of them were made by Russian militants and NOT Ukrainian troops. The OSCE observations in Ukraine dated January – March 2021 stated 98% of all the cases of cease-fire violations were recorded on the territories beyond Ukrainian government control. It recorded more than 500 weapon units whose location violated agreed withdrawal lines. Approximatelly 95 % of them were in uncontrolled territories.
     
    Despite that lopsided violation count, according to Putin's trolls, this is still all Ukraine's fault, and what's more, it's justification for an outright invasion. Oh, sorry, I meant "special military operation". Don't be fooled. As noted in the first link above:

    When Putin manufactured the Donbass War he presented it as an Ukrainian inner conflict. Many in Russia bought it. Many in the West bought it. Many idiots even now talk about "Ukraine shelling civilians of Donbass for eight years". Bad Ukrainians being bad: THAT [is what] caused the war.

    Nobody in Ukraine bought it. In Ukraine... it was seen as a Russian problem... its nightmare was purely Russian-made...
     

  20. @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.

    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia’s size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    @PiltdownMan

    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    It should, and it does change the balance in the picture - in more than one way...

    https://i.imgur.com/uY1THBY.png

    , @anon
    @PiltdownMan


    . . . shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?
     
    Exactly. Makes the whole thing suspect, eg is China really just "Russia leaning" and is India really, "no data"?

    That Steve would use this as the basis for a post makes his recent audience-trolling look like loss of an IQ point or two. True, Steve has a lot of those points to spare. Still.
    , @prosa123
    @PiltdownMan

    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country.

    It comes down to definitions of white, but Brazil might be ahead of Russia. Hard to say. Then again, Russia as well as Brazil has plenty of people who may or may not be white, such as Chechens and Tatars.
    One good thing about the US is that the One Drop Rule, the browning effects of Islam and the classification of all Hispanics as a separate race means that there is very little doubt about who is white and who isn't. Only a few people such as Israelis, Lebanese Christians, Armenians and Quapas can be hard to tell.

    Replies: @BB753, @PiltdownMan

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan


    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

     

    Coloring Russia anything would be a tautology. Imagine a map labeling countries more populous than Russia red and less populous blue. What color would Russia be? Is she more populous than herself, or less so?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  21. There were echoes of Angell in the USA’s Cold War foreign policy, with the containment strategy formulated by George Kennan. Kennan was obsessed with the belief that empires fall by becoming overstrained by occupation of distant lands, inspired by his reading of Edward Gibbon.

    Kennan prophetically foresaw that thesis being proved true by the Soviet Union’s collapse. While no one could deny the USA’s more recent imperial adventures haven’t paid off for our citizens, so far they have only brought us partially down the road to collapse.

  22. Japan and Russian have historic territory disputes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thea

    Yes, that's all it is.

    Similarly, Hungary has territorial quarrels with Ukraine, which accounts for its lack of sympathy with current Ukrainian difficulties.

  23. Being against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is as closely tied to Whiteness as North Korea’s missile program is tied to the name different parts of France give to a chocolate-filled croissant:

    North Korea’s missiles can reach all of France, except the part where one says “chocolatine”.

    SIMPLE COINCIDENCE???????

    • LOL: Gordo
  24. Israel ’48 wasn’t a classic war of conquest inasmuch as the victor wasn’t an independent country before the war began. It was more like Yugoslavia in the 1990s: several hostile populations previously held in check from above (Tito/British Mandate) are suddenly free to go at it and scramble for territory. The Palestinians are analogous to the Serbs of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo; with support from their hinterland they tried to cleanse out the Croatians, Bosnians and Kosovars but ended up losing.

    Another way Israel ’48 wasn’t like, say, US-Mexico 1846: the Jews actually lost territory in some places (the old city of Jerusalem, Gush Etzion, an enclave in the Hula Valley).

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @International Jew

    I'm pretty sure Israel didn't lose any land the UN had marked as theirs, or barely did. Gush Etzion was to be entirely in the Arab state, and Jerusalem in a UN zone surrounded by same.

    Replies: @International Jew

  25. Two other factors promoting the end of aggressive wars.

    – Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression. In the 19th Century, the average adult was said to spend half his life in some sort of pain, toothache, kidney stones, etc. Painful, short lives made men more willing to risk their lives in war.

    – Also in the 20th Century, population growth in the advanced, aggression-capable countries slowed down dramatically. Much less need for Lebensraum. German population was growing fast before WWII, much less so afterwards. Japan, basically an island chain set in an ocean, had few natural resources, needed the free trade system of post-WWII to prosper.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Henry Canaday

    In the past, with high birth rates, wars were demographically affordable. If you look at the chart of Japan's population growth, despite the millions who died in the war the increase was barely disrupted. After the war there was a baby boom and they quickly caught up to the trendline like it never happened.

    https://countrydigest.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Population-of-Japan-chart.gif

    Nowadays, the loss of 2 million military age men would virtually wipe out that age cohort and their population would never recover.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Henry Canaday


    Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression.
     
    I think another major factor was the development of safe and effective anti-microbials, first to a degree the sulfa drugs from the 1930s then antibiotics for civilians after WWII. Your lifespan is more predictable and more likely to be long without much of a possibility of a random infection ending you in a matter of days. TB also got (in theory) under control due to these (the big issue is compliance, taking lots of nasty pills every day for months).

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  26. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, only Steve Sailer is stupid enough to try to appeal to pro-white racism in order to garner support for Zelenskyyyyyy and the CIA.

    Please kill yourself slowly and painfully, Sailer.

  27. But Hitler didn’t realize that the Haber-Bosch process meant that his worldview was out of date.

    The Jews are at it again!

    Haber was a sad case. His invention of the Haber-Bosch process allowed Germany to continue explosives manufacture during WWI despite being cut off from the nitrate mines of Chile. His work on poison gas also contributed greatly to the German war effort. Haber personally oversaw the first successful use of chlorine gas during the Second Battle of Ypres, resulting in over 67,000 Allied casualties. Haber considered himself to be a German patriot above all and didn’t think of himself as Jewish – he had converted to Christianity as a young man.

    But all of this was not good enough for the Nazis and he left Germany in 1933. Weizmann offered him a job at his institute in Palestine but he died of natural causes in Switzerland on the way there.

  28. Wars of territorial conquest were once the chief occupation of kings. But around the turn of the 20th Century, smart guys started to think that war didn’t pay anymore.

    This is a more or less accurate description of how Americans (and perhaps other Westerners) would feel about international relations if they ever thought about it, which mostly they don’t.

    But like most usually unspoken American perceptions about the globe, it is not accurate.

    The inception of the post-World Wars stability was of course kicked off with the most epic border redrawing and ethnic cleansing of the last hundred years. So the whole principle rests on “the last big one settled by us was fine, but no more after this!”, which is about as porous a foundation on which to rest a “principle” as they come.

    The Cold War brought about a number of border redrawings, usually under the rubric of “decolonization”, which may be a good thing, but a principle isn’t a principle if it is a tautology: “it’s okay if we think it’s good” .

    Since the the Cold War, the US participated militarily in territorial conquest in the Balkans, redrawing the map to better suit … somebody or other. (It was never clear to me how that was supposed to be an improvement justifying the US attack.) The US endorses, funds and arms creeping Israeli expansion into the Palestinian territories, and possession of Syria’s Golan Heights. In defiance of international law and UN recognition, the US supplies, trains and backs with implicit (or explicit depending on Biden’s medication) use of force Taiwan as a breakaway province from China.

    And then, if knocking off another country’s government and installing one you like better—something the US has done in spades—is perfectly fine so long as you leave the borders where they were because then it is not “territorial conquest”, well, most of the world may consider that a distinction without a difference.

    Less overtly, the US and the West in general, have backed, endorsed, and/or countenanced multiple map redrawings over the past three decades: Eritrea, East Timor, Congo, Sudan, Azerbaijan, various Caucasian reconfigurations, India-China, and probably a bunch of others that elude my provincial gaze. None of those resulted in a US foreign policy establishment freakout, so whatever it is that causes the US foreign policy establishment to react, it ain’t the “principle” of the thing.

    You can say, “there were people in those places who wanted new borders”, and that may be true, but then that’s always the case: one man’s “territorial conquest” is another man’s “self-determination of peoples”, “self-determination” being another century-or-more-old principle of US (and Western) international relations.

    Incidentally, I personally don’t necessarily oppose every “foreign intervention” or “territorial conquest” or “self-determination” (name as per taste), I just dislike doubletalk about it. Adults should be willing to talk honestly when they are making hard decisions about hard interests in hard circumstances.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast, Dmon, ic1000
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Cato
    @Almost Missouri


    ...the US supplies, trains and backs with implicit (or explicit depending on Biden’s medication) use of force Taiwan as a breakaway province from China.
     
    This would make a great movie: the staff encharged with medicating and prompting a senile president accidentally give him a day in which he is both lucid and bellicose, inciting war with China. How to wind him down, save the world, keep your job, earn the smiles of the hottie who lets her hair be sniffed...
  29. @Henry Canaday
    Two other factors promoting the end of aggressive wars.

    - Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression. In the 19th Century, the average adult was said to spend half his life in some sort of pain, toothache, kidney stones, etc. Painful, short lives made men more willing to risk their lives in war.

    - Also in the 20th Century, population growth in the advanced, aggression-capable countries slowed down dramatically. Much less need for Lebensraum. German population was growing fast before WWII, much less so afterwards. Japan, basically an island chain set in an ocean, had few natural resources, needed the free trade system of post-WWII to prosper.

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling

    In the past, with high birth rates, wars were demographically affordable. If you look at the chart of Japan’s population growth, despite the millions who died in the war the increase was barely disrupted. After the war there was a baby boom and they quickly caught up to the trendline like it never happened.

    Nowadays, the loss of 2 million military age men would virtually wipe out that age cohort and their population would never recover.

  30. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    I don’t think they legitimately fear that will occur given that they are NATO members, Poland’s rhetoric about the invasion likely has more to do with historical grievances against Russia and a desire for revenge for the wrongs Russia inflicted in the past. I’ve noticed even Polish-Americans harbor intense grudges against Russia despite being 3-4 generations removed.

  31. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

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    Rather Poland wants to eat the remains of Ukraine after the lion has had his share – while pretending to be a white knight.
    Until Ukraine can get a government that can be a proper neighbour and not have US trained Nazis shelling Russian speaking civilians from afar (HIMARS make that much easier) then Russia will continue to push further in Ukraine. It will be quite happy if Poland takes control in the East. The Poles are mad, but nothing like as mad as Ukraine has been.

    In regards to 20th century history – Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
    @michael droy

    There is no evidence beyond the fevered imaginations of putin's fluffers that Poland has any territorial ambitions in Ukraine (Hungary... that's a different story).

    Not in the media, not in daily conversations... just... no. The idea doesn't exist.

    What Poland might like, after the war is over, is something like what Sweden and Norway have had for many decades - sovereign nations with established borders and similar (but not identical) languages with free movement and labor rights and the like.

    and no... russia has never been"good for Poland"

    , @Nachum
    @michael droy

    Russia wasn't exactly good to Poland when it refused to help in Warsaw or took more than half its territory.

    Or occupied it for over forty years.

    , @AnotherDad
    @michael droy



    In regards to 20th century history – Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).
     
    What causes a man to wake up in the morning and start spinning and spinning--i.e. lying--in support of Russia? Even if you are Russian, it is kind of lame. If you are not it is just pathological.

    More accurately, Stalin and Hitler together started the War by their sleazy deal to carve up Poland. In contrast, the British and French--wisely or not--issued guarantees to Poland and declared war on Germany over its invasion of Poland. The West later--exigences of wartime alliance--gave Russia sort of propaganda pass on starting the War. But that's the reality.

    This decision of Stalin's was, of course, a disaster for the Russian people. And yes, Russia later pushed the Germans out of Poland. But even your "Babrarossa onwards" is smoke screen. Yes, the Russians drove out the Germans ... but then gobbled up huge chunks of Poland themselves, giving Poles a big chunk of Germany in return, and then imposed a communist government on Poland for the next 40+ years. Yeah, real great neighbor stuff. Surprising there isn't more love for Russia.

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  32. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia's size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn't Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @anon, @prosa123, @Reg Cæsar

    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    It should, and it does change the balance in the picture – in more than one way…

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
  33. anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    War does still pay.

    Just ask the U.S. Military Industrial Complex (M.I.C.) and its hangers-on like the supply and logistics contractors.

    They raked in trillion\$ during the Iraq-Afghanistan occupation.

    Then, the M.I.C. lobbyists, SecSt Blinken and SecDef Austin made sure that billion\$ worth of hardware was abandoned during the Afghanistan bug-out. Gotta replace all that stuff, ya know.

    Now, the “aid” sent to Ukraine has the economic multipliers:
    A) enrich our M.I.C.;
    B) enrich Uniparty/Ukraine corruptocrats (10% for the Big Guy!) because 95% of the “aid” winds up diverted and re-sold many times on the global weapons black market.

    Now, if the CCP sinks our 7th Fleet just before taking Taiwan, and if Putin launches tactical nukes on NATO, well, that would spoil the metrics of M.I.C. profit margins.

    But the M.I.C. doesn’t think of consequences.

  34. This isn’t about whiteness – this is about US control of the governments. You want to be a politician in the west then you have to work with the CIA to get promoted. Simple. Same in the Intelligence and Defence sectors. Same in the media.
    That is why “white people” accept the total bullshit of Russia bad Ukraine good.
    And then the intelligence controlled media say the same.

    Anyone who knows the first thing about Iraq knows that being US’s friend is very dangerous because you are the front line and fully conscripted in the war with US enemies.

    Saudi now wants to join BRICS – now just how crazy is that unless they have worked out how US uses its “friends”.

    BTW – some 16m Ukrainians have voted with their feet and left Ukraine (7m 2014-212, 9m since, many to Russia). Ask why they don’t feel loyalty to USA or the need to fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian?

  35. @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

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    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.

    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now – Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn’t come from the ground like Russia’s and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it’s quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon
     
    His post was measured and calm. You were the one that brought in "salivating" and "Jew-American". You may want to get tested for Tourette's.

    Since you brought "Jew" into this, your Jew hysterics grow tiresome. I stopped counting at 10 of your posts, most saying the same thing, on the "Putin takes the lead" thread. Take a break from your stereotypical Jewish wordiness and, since you feel so strongly about this conflict between two countries that don't remotely threaten the US or US interests, grab a rifle and head on over. Be sure to post dozens of wordy updates.

    Your "lets see you two fight" routine is....really pretty Jewish. We Americans admire the strong, silent type more than we do the small-chested blathering type. Actions > words.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Dmon
    @Jack D

    "Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop."

    1700: Peter the Great tries to modernize Russia by emulating western social practices and importing technology. Charles the XII of Sweden invades Russia.
    1812: Alexander I, after a couple of tough winters, decides to bolt the Continental System so he can trade with Britian. Napoleon invades Russia.
    1941: Stalin tries to let his enemies kill each other and position himself to scavenge in the wreckage. Hitler invades Russia.
    1991: Gorbachev throws in the towel, Yeltsin invites western financial "experts" in to show them how to build an Amway economy. Larry Summers loots Russia.

    Stupid Russians - it's like Charlie Brown and Lucy, or Americans and Neocons.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    You're correct that the dollar (and treasuries as collateral) ain't going anywhere, anytime soon. It's just too entrenched in global banking and trade. But that's not to say that the US didn't screw the pooch with the sanctions and seizure of Russian treasuries.

    It'll take a lot longer than people think, but there will be alternative - not a replacement, an alternative (indeed, likely a very clunky alternative) - to the dollar/treasury system a lot sooner than would have happened if the neocons didn't completely screw up. The neocons, as they're wont to do, got cocky and overstretched. Neocons are going to neocon, after all.

    Remember, you don't need to replace the dollar to drastically diminish its power. You just need to provide a viable alternative. Right now, the dollar is the inter-state highway the global financial system. It gets you everywhere quickly. Unfortunately, the US has become a rogue sheriff, randomly stopping any truck that he feels like and taking their cargo.

    Other countries are forced to try and build some backroads to avoid that sheriff when he starts looking for them. It'll take time, there will be lots of mistakes, the initial roads will suck, but they only need exist to take away the sheriff's power. You don't need to destroy the interstate system, just provide enough alternative to avoid the sheriff.

    You neocons are so sure that you're the good guys that you can't see how your actions look to others. The world, correctly, views you as tyrants and will work to get out from under your rule. They may fail, but you've motivated them beyond measure.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese.
     
    Of course it's necessary. Can't conquer Europe without pacifying Ukraine and getting its resources and manpower.

    Of course, the Chinese aren't too thrilled with the idea of a Russia that includes all of Europe. There's even a WWII analogy. Hitler was hoping that the Japanese would help him out by opening up an Eastern front with Russia. From the Japanese standpoint, it would have been nuts to help destroy the Russians at great cost, only to become neighbors with an ascendant and territorially acquisitive Germany.

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    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "a Russia-China security alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon"

    As the Western nations rot from within the BRICS alliance is assembling. But don't worry about Ukraine: the regions that won't fall into Russian possession will still resemble the Zionist enclave under NATO protection. It will become an exhibition of globohomo nation building: the QR code/Internet of Bodies (IoB) physiological digital surveillance/transhumanist/synthetic humans cornucopia. You might want to look into a vacation cottage in the fantasy Khazarian homeland. But you'll have to come pre-injected with the required jabs and boosters of witches brew to enter. Your body will be your passport.

    "it ain't here yet"

    The main objective of the BRICS is detaching itself from the ancient and corrupt money order of the West and establishing its own financial system. That's not going to happen overnight.

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    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.
     
    "Unnecessary" is the key word here.

    The West is so ridiculously badly governed--waving in invaders and celebrating queers--that it's hard to make fun of the disaster that is Putin. But the sheer stupidity of this war is pretty striking.

    Putin was actually in a pretty good place where Russia is supplying needed resources and developing its economy and could serve--and gain influence/power--as the counterbalancing "sane white power" to E.U. --globohomo, fag-flag, "rapefugees welcome"--bullying for sane European nations (political parties, people).

    Putin threw it all away on revanchist 19th century Czar-wannbe fantasies.

    Loss for Europe, for the West, for white people as well as Russia and a disaster for Ukraine. Only a win for arms makers, deep state bureaucrats and the Chinese.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.
     
    Here's what's happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia's dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1549123066113957890?s=20&t=lL96Cg815SqDWiwqHa7J9A

    Now, due to China's huge trade surplus with the U.S., they're going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America's trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can't take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn't seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it's made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.
     
    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer's questions in bold):

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     

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  36. Over time, wars of conquest and territorial annexation fell out of fashion, especially after WWI. For instance, the Republican Coolidge Administration promoted the Kellogg-Briand pact of 1928 to outlaw aggressive war.

    They didn’t fall out of fashion in Stalin’s Russia – he was about to invade Nazi Germany and then the rest of Western Europe in 1941.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chebyshev

    One reason for Wermacht early success in Russia was the Russian hardware was pre-positioned in offensive configuration instead of defensive, plus caught somewhat by surprise. But as Uncle Joe supposedly said, "quantity has its own quality". Attrition plus grit does a lot. The Russians won't give an inch.

  37. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white countries like Poland and white-adjacent countries like Japan, while cheering anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma.

    And said White countries are run by a hostile elite that is actively dispossessing and disenfranchising its White population, so excuse me if I don’t support their proxy war against a country not forcing blacks in my neighborhood or commanding me to die for Israel.

  38. Abe says:

    The pity of history is sometimes I think even greater than the pity of war. In order to create a juicy, compelling narrative, historians drop so much complexity and nuance that all that is left is a highly caricatured and didactic picture of the past which grows ever more simplistic over time as the more popularizing/commercial sort of practitioners (i.e. midwits) strive to present an ever more “teachable” version of the past. Yes, many Europeans in August 1914 thought it would be a short, sharp conflict with the troops home in time for Christmas (if not the harvest). Some (like this guy and the thousands of people who read him, or Angell) suspected otherwise. There was no way to know who’d turn out right until the potential catastrophe had already transpired.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Gotlib_Bloch

    Born in Radom, Poland, on July 24, 1836, [Jan Gotlib] Bloch became intrigued by the victory of the North German Confederation over France in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870–1871, which suggested to him that the solution of diplomatic problems by warfare had become obsolete in Europe. He published his six-volume master work… Future War and its Economic Consequences, popularized in English translation as Is War Now Impossible?, in Paris in 1898.

    His detailed analysis of modern warfare, its tactical, strategic and political implications, was widely read in Europe. Bloch argued that:

    * The new technologies of smokeless powder, magazine rifles, machine guns and quick-firing artillery had rendered manoeuvres over open ground, such as bayonet and cavalry charges, obsolete. Bloch concluded that a war between the great powers would be a war of entrenchment and that rapid attacks and decisive victories were a thing of the past. He calculated that entrenched men would enjoy a fourfold advantage over infantry in the open.

    * Industrial societies would have to settle a stalemate by committing million-man armies. An enormous battlefront would develop. A war of this type could not be resolved quickly.

    * Such a war would become a duel of industrial might, a matter of total economic attrition. Severe economic and social dislocations would result in the imminent risk of famine, disease, the “break-up of the whole social organization” and revolutions from below.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Abe


    In order to create a juicy, compelling narrative, historians drop so much complexity and nuance that all that is left is a highly caricatured and didactic picture of the past which grows ever more simplistic over time as the more popularizing/commercial sort of practitioners (i.e. midwits) strive to present an ever more “teachable” version of the past.
     
    This.
  39. serious question about the Dnieper.

    How many coal barges and ferries exist on the river? How many do the Russians have that can be dropped in there to ferry across supplies? Can’t the Russians just lash together boats and weld a platform on top and stick outboard motors on the rafts? It’s possible to resupply an area under fire/threat of fire across a river if the Bridgehead is considered valuable.

    Stalingrad was resupplied by ferry for the entire length of the battle until the Volga froze.

    By all means contest Kherson and go after those bridges.

  40. @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Literally thousands of Ukrainians were killed in warfare between 2014 and this year, and it wasn’t Putin who killed them.

    He also didn’t bomb Serbia to rubble in 1999. That was us.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Dave Pinsen

    This place is rife with old armchair Cold Warriors and delusional neocons.

  41. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia's size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn't Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @anon, @prosa123, @Reg Cæsar

    . . . shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Exactly. Makes the whole thing suspect, eg is China really just “Russia leaning” and is India really, “no data”?

    That Steve would use this as the basis for a post makes his recent audience-trolling look like loss of an IQ point or two. True, Steve has a lot of those points to spare. Still.

  42. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia's size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn't Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @anon, @prosa123, @Reg Cæsar

    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country.

    It comes down to definitions of white, but Brazil might be ahead of Russia. Hard to say. Then again, Russia as well as Brazil has plenty of people who may or may not be white, such as Chechens and Tatars.
    One good thing about the US is that the One Drop Rule, the browning effects of Islam and the classification of all Hispanics as a separate race means that there is very little doubt about who is white and who isn’t. Only a few people such as Israelis, Lebanese Christians, Armenians and Quapas can be hard to tell.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @prosa123

    Some Tatars look white, most don't. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @PiltdownMan
    @prosa123

    The common stereotype and impression of Russia in the West is that it is a white country. The common impression of Brazil is that it is not, and that is a mixed race society.

    Looking up the numbers, that's basically right. Russia is mostly a bunch of white folks. Brazil isn't.

    Back in 2010, there were about 111 million ethnic Russians in Russia, aside from other white ethnicities.

    There were about 91 million "Brancos" in Brazil, their category for white, which includes people who wouldn't be considered white in America. Or Russia.

    https://i.imgur.com/YrOw7zE.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/khRScfa.jpg?1

  43. @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    Wrong. Almost every white country’s elite dislike Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine. That’s a very, very different statement than every white country’s population.

    The US foreign policy elite are quite obviously controlled by the neocons who have an ancient ethnic grudge with Russia. Europe’s foreign policy elite are trained by and/or under the thumb of the US so they do as they’re told.

    Your regular Joe or Dieter doesn’t care one whit about this war.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
  44. @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    And the thousands killed and maimed in the Donbass from 2014 to 2021? Your selective sympathy is suspicious.

    • Agree: michael droy
  45. As it happened, the Russian army was so demoralized in 1917 that it didn’t bother to fight against the Bolsheviks (perhaps testimony to Russian moodiness)

    A substantial fraction of the enlisted men of the Tsarist army actually joined the Bolsheviks. As Orlando Figes observed in A People’s Tragedy, the Reds had lots of soldiers but few officers, and the Whites had lots of officers but few soldiers. (A notable exception on the communist side was Brusilov, the most distinguished Russian general in WW1.)

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Yes, I saw that line about the "Russian Army not fighting the Bolsheviks" and had the same thought -- By 1917, the Russian Army were the Bolsheviks! The soldiers had formed "soviets" in the field and were negotiating with their officers about when or where they would even consider fighting the Germans. Once the Czar abdicated and the Provisional Government was dissolved, there was no official authority left to fight for, or against.

  46. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon

    His post was measured and calm. You were the one that brought in “salivating” and “Jew-American”. You may want to get tested for Tourette’s.

    Since you brought “Jew” into this, your Jew hysterics grow tiresome. I stopped counting at 10 of your posts, most saying the same thing, on the “Putin takes the lead” thread. Take a break from your stereotypical Jewish wordiness and, since you feel so strongly about this conflict between two countries that don’t remotely threaten the US or US interests, grab a rifle and head on over. Be sure to post dozens of wordy updates.

    Your “lets see you two fight” routine is….really pretty Jewish. We Americans admire the strong, silent type more than we do the small-chested blathering type. Actions > words.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this. According to him this war is "all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again". I am calling him on his bullshit blood libel. Millions died because of libels like this and I refuse to allow them to go unchallenged. Feel free to ignore me.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  47. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    “Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.”

    1700: Peter the Great tries to modernize Russia by emulating western social practices and importing technology. Charles the XII of Sweden invades Russia.
    1812: Alexander I, after a couple of tough winters, decides to bolt the Continental System so he can trade with Britian. Napoleon invades Russia.
    1941: Stalin tries to let his enemies kill each other and position himself to scavenge in the wreckage. Hitler invades Russia.
    1991: Gorbachev throws in the towel, Yeltsin invites western financial “experts” in to show them how to build an Amway economy. Larry Summers loots Russia.

    Stupid Russians – it’s like Charlie Brown and Lucy, or Americans and Neocons.

  48. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    You’re correct that the dollar (and treasuries as collateral) ain’t going anywhere, anytime soon. It’s just too entrenched in global banking and trade. But that’s not to say that the US didn’t screw the pooch with the sanctions and seizure of Russian treasuries.

    It’ll take a lot longer than people think, but there will be alternative – not a replacement, an alternative (indeed, likely a very clunky alternative) – to the dollar/treasury system a lot sooner than would have happened if the neocons didn’t completely screw up. The neocons, as they’re wont to do, got cocky and overstretched. Neocons are going to neocon, after all.

    Remember, you don’t need to replace the dollar to drastically diminish its power. You just need to provide a viable alternative. Right now, the dollar is the inter-state highway the global financial system. It gets you everywhere quickly. Unfortunately, the US has become a rogue sheriff, randomly stopping any truck that he feels like and taking their cargo.

    Other countries are forced to try and build some backroads to avoid that sheriff when he starts looking for them. It’ll take time, there will be lots of mistakes, the initial roads will suck, but they only need exist to take away the sheriff’s power. You don’t need to destroy the interstate system, just provide enough alternative to avoid the sheriff.

    You neocons are so sure that you’re the good guys that you can’t see how your actions look to others. The world, correctly, views you as tyrants and will work to get out from under your rule. They may fail, but you’ve motivated them beyond measure.

  49. I suspect the average Russian doesn’t consider the Ukraine war to be one of conquest but rather a border adjustment to re-integrate Russian areas that had been improperly granted to Ukraine in the 1990s (and also to protect the Russians therein from Ukrainian persecution). We should be convincing the Ukrainians to accept this adjustment rather than continuing a fight they cannot win. There is no going back to the old borders now. Further fighting is a waste of lives and resources and could get much, much worse if we continue this folly.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Dutch Boy

    Moreover, between 2015 and 2022 Ukraine had a chance to Federalize itself according to Minsk agreements, and keep its then borders at costs of stopping forced assimilation of is Russians and its attempts to ban Russian language native to over 70 percent of its populace.

    No, that was not possible, destruction of all things Russian was the first priority.

  50. TG says:

    Ah yes, Haber-Bosch. Kudos to someone who realizes just how critical that was.

    But, Haber-Bosch is not a magic trick. It does not allow unlimited production of food without resources. It makes heavy use of fossil fuels, and has now about hit its limit. We are at the point of diminishing returns, where even the astonishing increases in food production made possible by chemical fertilizers are starting to hit their limits. Meanwhile in places like India, they have completely wiped these gains out, and are now only having two children each because they just don’t have enough food to have more. India’s population growth is now tracking food production at a low level of subsistence, which is the historical state.

    Bottom line: the potential of Haber Bosch to usher in an era of plenty is nearing its end, thanks in large part to the rich forcing population growth upwards, and the lies of intellectual whores like Julian Simon and Milton Friedman.

    Look at the Ukraine-Russia conflict. What’s globally important: the industrial productivity of the Ukrainians and Russians, or gas and wheat and water? It is the limiting factor that runs the show. It used to be dirt. Then it became industrial capital.

    Welcome to the new age of dirt.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @TG


    But, Haber-Bosch is not a magic trick. It does not allow unlimited production of food without resources.
     
    Steve invokes Haber-Bosch as if to prove there is no point in fighting over resources. But the process itself basically turns fossil fuels into food (through the medium of Nitrogen fertilizer). So it just means you have even more incentive to fight over access to fossil fuels (and/or the sea lanes to get the stuff). Japan went to war to avoid being starved of oil. Germany lost the war for lack of oil (and some other reasons).

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  51. Given how WW2 went down, I am kinda in favor of keeping the idea that wars of conquest are no longer allowed as something that Germans and Japanese believe. The alternative turned out to be no fun at all for the US, UK, France, the Phillipines, China, etc.

  52. I call it the Dirt Theory of War. In the past, the payoff for war consisted of farmland and mines. But later, the economy shifted toward buildings and the the enthusiastic cooperation of the people who worked in buildings. Blowing up the buildings is unlikely to inspire the survivors to cooperate intelligently and ardently.

    Professor Azar Gat, in his comprehensive study War in Human Civilization, has a similar conclusion. He writes:

    Rather than the cost of war becoming prohibitive (it changed little, relative to population and wealth), it was mainly the benefits of peace [following the Industrial Revolution] that increased dramatically once the Malthusian trap was broken, tilting the overall balance between war and peace for economically ever-growing, market-oriented, increasingly interdependent, industrializing and industrial societies, regardless of their regime, for which wealth acquisition ceased to be a zero-sum game. This being acknowledged, the liberal/democratic countries’ path to modernity has involved a distinctly greater aversion to war than that of non-democratic and non-liberal countries, because of the political, economic, social, and normative reasons discussed above.

    Gat notes that war aversion by nation following the First World War was not directly correlated with casualties:

    Perhaps the two most extreme cases in the First World War that best illustrate the correlation claimed here between the post-war ‘trauma’ and the level of liberalism (rather than that of material and human losses) are the USA and Serbia. The mightiest power in the world was not inflicted with heavy losses and crippling economic costs, as were the European belligerents. The USA suffered relatively light casualties in her brief involvement in the war and gained tremendously from it materially, replacing Britain as the world’s leading banker, creditor, and insurer. Nevertheless, it was in the USA that the disgust with and regret over participating in the war were the most rapid and sweeping. By comparison, the small and backward Serbia suffered, relative to population, the heaviest casualties of all the warring nations and was totally ravaged by the war and occupation, but she hardly experienced the ‘trauma’ of, and ‘disillusion’ with, the war. Nor, indeed, would other traditional and developing societies that suffered hundreds of thousands and millions of casualties in the wars of the twentieth century—down to the Iran–Iraq war (1980–8)—react more traumatically than the norm among pre-industrial societies earlier in history. By contrast, as the twentieth century progressed, the smallest number of casualties has become sufficient to discredit a war in affluent liberal societies, particularly when the threat is not considered existential, imminent, and unsusceptible to effective alternative policies short of open war, or, if war occurs, when the prospects of success diminish.

    So, contrary to the impression created by gloomy post-war poetry, industrial England’s proportional losses in WW1 wouldn’t have seemed particularly stupendous to hunter-gatherer societies (e.g. Australian aborigines) or agricultural ones (e.g. Republican Rome) which engaged in frequent warfare. But the upside of winning a war, compared to staying at peace, was much less.

    I emphasize the opportunity cost of peace because, as Gat notes, it is actually possible for victory in industrial warfare to be profitable. This was demonstrated by Nazi Germany’s successful exploitation of e.g. the Belgian economy. (Ironically, Hitler’s conquests in the west were much more valuable to the German economy than those in the east from his ideologically driven drang nach osten.) But trade in peacetime is already profitable, so why bother? As Prof. John Mueller pointed out in his brilliant book Retreat From Doomsday, modern nations don’t stay at peace because they’re afraid they’ll lose wars. They stay at peace because even victory would be less desirable than the status quo of peace.

  53. @SFG
    Japan is doing the time honored small country thing of kissing up to the friendliest big power around. They’re next door to China and relations are not good (they had their own WW2 atrocities and the countries are long term rivals).

    Besides, we buy their cars and animated squid porn (I kid).

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad

    Japan is still an occupied country with 36 US military bases, so they have to be subservient…

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  54. Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays)

    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Falklands are only 4,700 square miles in area, but the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (adopted, coincidentally, in 1982) gives it an Exclusive Economic Zone of over 200,000 square miles. Holding on to the Falklands may have been one of the best long-term investments the British could have ever made.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Wilkey

    40 years on, are there any productive oil/gas fields in operation around the islands? There's been lots of promising geologicals and happy talk down the years.

    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    I remember reading that if the Argentines only had the intelligence to arm their torpedoes correctly - they had a substantial fleet of diesel/electric submarines - then the outcome of the war would have been totally different.
    Apparently, all attempts at firing torpedoes at Royal Navy shipping failed due to the inability of the Argentinian submarine crews to arm the torpedoes in the correct way.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Wilkey


    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.
     
    The Royal Navy and Marines self-consciously did their best to put their thumb on the scales by loading up everything they could and sallying out of harbor ASAP, rather unlike the legend of Drake finishing his game of lawn bowls after being informed of the approach of the Spanish Armada. They spent a lot of time at Ascension Island repacking supplies etc. correctly.

    I remember a quote that went something like "After departing like this, families and others waving good bye to Rule, Britannia! there's no way the politicians are going to be able to back down." It should go without saying the continued future prospects of both of these units of the U.K.'s military weren't great back then, even with the Cold War a thing. One of the two carriers was to be decommissioned that very year, and the Marines were not capable of doing an opposed amphibious landing.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Wilkey

    Indeed. Unlike WW2 per Churchill, the Falklands actually were a "damn close run thing".

    Without Reagan giving the brits the AIM-9L, it's very likely the Sea Harriers would have been attrited to non-existence, as that weapon was basically a cheat code in the peculiar thermal environment down there. And that was by no means assured, the Navy especially was reluctant to arm the Brits against the Argentines, given they were both Allies and all Argentine naval aviators were US trained.

    The "charge of the Skyhawks" against the Brit landing force could have worked out horrifically for the Brits if the A-4s had correctly set their fuses to account for their 15' AGL attack run, since virtually every escorting ship was hit by a mis-fused dud, and that would have been compounded by focusing on the landing ships instead of the escorts. Very probable that if one of those was changed, the royal marines would have been mauled, and if both, the landing defeated in detail.

    France buckling to British pressure and withholding the final shipment of exocets was a bit of a surprise to everyone, and Hermes barely escaped the exocet treatment even then.

    I do wonder what would have happened if those had turned out differently. Would the USSR kick off the big one if they had just seen the argies overwhelm a NATO fleet with a very limited version of their own ASCM missile attack doctrine? Especially since that would have massively weakened the GIUK defense forces? Possibly

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  55. Some of the countries on the map seem to be miscategorised. Turkey has been following an essentially neutral policy from the start – closing the Bosporus to warships etc. Then there’s Kazakhstan which certainly isn’t Russian leaning. It has not recognised the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and it promised EU delegates that it would increase oil exports to the EU. This was stymied by the Russian closure of Novorossiysk oil terminal “for maintenance”. It’s still closed. A very contrary attitude from a Government that the Kremlin saved from extinction as recently as January of this year.

    On to Israel. It’s categorised as neutral,but was selling arms to Ukraine until very recently. Earlier this month, it was carrying out a joint military exercise in Romania with that country’s military.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-launches-low-altitude-air-transport-exercise-over-romania/

    “Training in the skies of Romania is an opportunity for us to challenge ourselves, to improve and become stronger, beyond the borders of Israel,” said the commander of the Nevatim air base, Brig. Gen. Gilad Keinan.
    Sounds like they want Ukraine back !

    I’m sure other commenters will recognise further miscategorisations.

  56. @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    The US bombing of harmless small countries in the last 30 years has killed at least 2 million civilians, without even a pretense of lawfulness…that should be your concern, not casualties in a country far away…

  57. @Wilkey

    Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays)
     
    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Falklands are only 4,700 square miles in area, but the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (adopted, coincidentally, in 1982) gives it an Exclusive Economic Zone of over 200,000 square miles. Holding on to the Falklands may have been one of the best long-term investments the British could have ever made.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling, @GeologyAnonMk5

    40 years on, are there any productive oil/gas fields in operation around the islands? There’s been lots of promising geologicals and happy talk down the years.

  58. But Hitler didn’t realize that the Haber-Bosch process meant that his worldview was out of date.

    Not really, because that would also imply anti-immigrationism is “out of date.”

  59. Don’t you get it yet?

    The Dissident Right hates white people. It is just that the people on the DR are too stupid to recognise their hatred and so they attribute it to Jews instead.

    A white European country is invaded, its cities are bombed and its people are murdered. How does the DR respond? “Yay, Putin, you teach those Ukrainians a lesson.”

    White people create tolerant systems for gays, and others. How does the DR respond? “You’re all degenerate and disgusting.”

    White people allow women full and equal access to the public sphere. How does the DR respond? “I can’t wait to see your white people countries collapse.”

    At this point, there really is no group in the world that hates white people, as we actually are, more than the DR. They hate our actions, they hate our beliefs, they hate our choices. The only “positive” things they can say either rest on using our history passive-aggressively to make us feel bad, or to hypothesise that we are so brain-dead that actually everything we do is not what we want and instead we are tricked into it by a handful of Jews.

    The Dissident Right hate hate hates white people and the white people in the Dissident Right hate themselves. There’s nothing left to rescue of that movement. Only ashes, misery and dust remain.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The Dissident Right hates white people. It is just that the people on the DR are too stupid to recognise their hatred and so they attribute it to Jews instead.
     
    Is it so hard to understand that we hate whites who allow themselves to be ruled by Jews? It's not even subtle now, between "Biden's" cabinet etc. and (((Zelenskyy))).

    White people allow women full and equal access to the public sphere.
     
    This is not about you.

    The Dissident Right hate hate hates white people and the white people in the Dissident Right hate themselves.
     
    See the above, some self-hatred is warranted. Maybe, like you continued with, it's terminal, I find the hatred towards SpaceX to be telling. I certainly can't see our winning this side of a preference cascade which will not likely be of our making.

    Pardon me while I take a break and watch and listen to "WATCH and LISTEN - Putin Sings Russian National Anthem With 130,000 People!", purged from YouTube (who's CEO is a Jew with demonstrably more power in the company than the nominal pajeet CEO for the whole...). Was there as cMFIWBQB1kE but is still available here and there.
    , @Pixo
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think you are correctly describing a lot of people, but Dissident Right isn’t a good term to use as it is over-broad. That’s a term I believe John Derbyshire invented, but your description doesn’t apply to him.

    There’s not a better popular term now. Maybe Putinist right? It seems like the endorsement of the “special operation” is a pretty significant cleavage in the “far right” that maps to other differences, such as JQ and China.

    I find the whole Special Operation a disaster all around. I kinda liked Putin before. Not as much as Orban or Trump or Geert or Marine, but he was broadly on the right side. Now we’ve broken into Stalinists who remain loyal to Putlin and Trotskyyites.

  60. Anonymous[725] • Disclaimer says:

    Given its demographics, demographic trends, and anti-white public policies and culture, why wouldn’t the US be classified as an anti-white country here? And given its leading and primary role opposing the Russian invasion, that would mean the major anti-white country is in the anti-Russia camp.

    As for Japan, its concern here is not really Taiwan but its border and land disputes with Russia, which are ongoing. Russia is much whiter than the US and one of the largest white countries in the world. So it would make more sense to group Japan in the anti-white camp.

  61. Considering the last paragraph of this piece, why has the US pledged the life of every American to protect Israel – an ethnic theme park in the Middle East?

  62. William James wrote that war “redeem[s] life from flat degeneration.” It supplies meaning and purpose, transcending the monotony of everyday life. As James puts it, “Life seems cast upon a higher plane of power.” I am a psychodynamic theoretician, i.e., I believe that the rational component of mental life is only a partial slice. (I have a heckuva lot of company.). So, I wanted to mention the unconscious aspect.

    As for Japan, they have recently upgraded their Coast Guard, including joint exercises with the US Coast Guard to help them do that. While I have misgivings….what the heck is the US Coast Guard doing in Japan…this is probably a good thing, because Japan’s playing at bumper boats with the China Coast Guard is not going to start World War III.

  63. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays)
     
    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Falklands are only 4,700 square miles in area, but the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (adopted, coincidentally, in 1982) gives it an Exclusive Economic Zone of over 200,000 square miles. Holding on to the Falklands may have been one of the best long-term investments the British could have ever made.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling, @GeologyAnonMk5

    I remember reading that if the Argentines only had the intelligence to arm their torpedoes correctly – they had a substantial fleet of diesel/electric submarines – then the outcome of the war would have been totally different.
    Apparently, all attempts at firing torpedoes at Royal Navy shipping failed due to the inability of the Argentinian submarine crews to arm the torpedoes in the correct way.

  64. @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

    Replies: @Jack D, @Verymuchalive, @That Would Be Telling, @Joseph Doaks, @Pixo, @Anonymous

    You write.
    An alternative to SWIFT will be made

    Get up to date, Altai. China has the CIPS system. Russia has its own SPFS system, which it was developed since 2014. Before the Conflict, about 25 % of transactions in Russia used it. Now the vast majority use it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFS

    As it’s a Wikipedia article, you can expect an anti-Russian attitude. But even it has to admit:
    In April 2022, Russian Central Bank governor said most Russian banks and 52 foreign organizations from 12 countries had received access to the SPFS.[12]

    Russia has its own Mir electronic payment system, developed from 2016 onwards. Before the Conflict, the vast majority of electronic payments in Russia were made using it, superceding Visa and Mastercard. Now nearly all are.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(payment_system)

    In the last 15 years , Russia has developed a fully self-sufficient financial system. This is very important because the only real sanctions that the West can impose on Russia are financial. As Russia now has a self-sufficient financial system, these sanctions are completely ineffective. Hence, the Ruble has strengthened considerably against the Euro and Ruble since the start of the War.

    The 2 main Western industrial countries -Japan and Germany – are heavily reliant on imported energy and commodities. America has become a hollowed out shell as a result of unilateral free trade and offshoring. When the USD loses its status as world reserve currency shortly, America will be be thrown on the rubbish tip of history.

  65. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:

    I will allow the late Dr. William Luther Pierce, (PhD California Institute of Technology, Physics), whose death, incidentally, is now exactly twenty years ago, the last word:

    “Those who will not fight will be eaten by those who do”.

  66. @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

    Replies: @Jack D, @Verymuchalive, @That Would Be Telling, @Joseph Doaks, @Pixo, @Anonymous

    The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West.

    I suspect they’re more outraged by the islands north of their northernmost main one still being held by Russia. This strikes me as the biggest geopolitical mistake Putin made, not making peace with Japan when Russia could really use a major country like it not being so hostile at the beginning of the special military operation. Another possibility is if this helps along a PRC invasion of Taiwan, Japan’s economy will be crushed (along with many others). In the long term Japan also need food and fuel imports like the PRC does….

    By stupidly wasting all it’s time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made….

    How, pray tell, is the PRC going to find alternatives to the Western markets which buy so much of the output of “the world’s workshop?” In time, I suppose it’s theoretically possible the CCP could change their economy from its extremely narrow bases also including housing real estate which is melting down right now (due to their extreme financial repression about the only investment possible for the people) but I don’t see them doing that yet.

    Food is potentially an issue, removing the US as a place to import it from … if they’re smart they’ll also not narrow down their options there. See how much damage Xi/the CCP’s pique over Australia questioning the origin of COVID ended up doing last winter due to the embargo on buying its coal, I think they were the first to suffer badly and start the fertilizer crisis (natural gas being used to fix nitrogen).

    Or maybe this is why Xi is turning up old fashioned Communist control over the population to 11, minus so far the food ration coupons which allowed your village or block committee to easily starve you to death if you got on their wrong side (Deng’s economic reforms just made eating more expensive if that happened).

    My bottom line at the moment is that Xi and his new clique are so inept I don’t expect good outcomes except by chance and luck. For example at last count it appears they and Russia are the only parts of the northern hemisphere having a good growing season. But for the long term I don’t think their success is at all certain, probably not even likely. On the other hand Xi’s getting old and may lose power as early as this year, we can’t assume the PRC will continue to be badly governed although historically that’s the way to bet.

  67. @Henry Canaday
    Two other factors promoting the end of aggressive wars.

    - Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression. In the 19th Century, the average adult was said to spend half his life in some sort of pain, toothache, kidney stones, etc. Painful, short lives made men more willing to risk their lives in war.

    - Also in the 20th Century, population growth in the advanced, aggression-capable countries slowed down dramatically. Much less need for Lebensraum. German population was growing fast before WWII, much less so afterwards. Japan, basically an island chain set in an ocean, had few natural resources, needed the free trade system of post-WWII to prosper.

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling

    Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression.

    I think another major factor was the development of safe and effective anti-microbials, first to a degree the sulfa drugs from the 1930s then antibiotics for civilians after WWII. Your lifespan is more predictable and more likely to be long without much of a possibility of a random infection ending you in a matter of days. TB also got (in theory) under control due to these (the big issue is compliance, taking lots of nasty pills every day for months).

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @That Would Be Telling

    "safe and effective"

    This expression should only be used ironically.

  68. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese.

    Of course it’s necessary. Can’t conquer Europe without pacifying Ukraine and getting its resources and manpower.

    Of course, the Chinese aren’t too thrilled with the idea of a Russia that includes all of Europe. There’s even a WWII analogy. Hitler was hoping that the Japanese would help him out by opening up an Eastern front with Russia. From the Japanese standpoint, it would have been nuts to help destroy the Russians at great cost, only to become neighbors with an ascendant and territorially acquisitive Germany.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    Even I don't think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

  69. Ironically, the advent of nuclear weapons has (so far) certainly done much to prevent/limit wars.

  70. “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white counties … while [whilst] cheering anti-white countries.”

    The most dangerous foe we face is a cartel of anti-white Western oligarchs who are white. They have taken territory in the USA, Canada, Australasia, and western Europe without tanks, air-cover, boots on the ground. Their primary weapon is philanthropy.

    Cold War Steve. Reaganaut Steve. I can’t decide which Steve is more adorable.

  71. @prosa123
    @PiltdownMan

    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country.

    It comes down to definitions of white, but Brazil might be ahead of Russia. Hard to say. Then again, Russia as well as Brazil has plenty of people who may or may not be white, such as Chechens and Tatars.
    One good thing about the US is that the One Drop Rule, the browning effects of Islam and the classification of all Hispanics as a separate race means that there is very little doubt about who is white and who isn't. Only a few people such as Israelis, Lebanese Christians, Armenians and Quapas can be hard to tell.

    Replies: @BB753, @PiltdownMan

    Some Tatars look white, most don’t. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @BB753

    Some Tatars look white, most don’t. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    If Chechens were present in the United States in any significant number they wouldn't be considered white because of the browning effect of Islam. We consider Islam a nonwhite religion and would most likely include Chechens with Middle Easterners.
    Bosnians are a sort of exception; we have no choice but to consider them white because there's no logical alternative. True, although Portugal is a European country the substantial Portuguese community in Hawaii is nonwhite, that's an artifact of local culture.
    As for Georgians, I don't believe they're present in appreciable numbers, but if there were they'd most likely get the same treatment as Armenians: traditionally considered somewhat exotic whites, more recently becoming non-white as the Los Angeles Armenians already are.

    Before anyone says anything, yes I concede that US racial categories are pretty much unique in the world, what with the One Drop Rule and the treatment of Hispanics as a race.

    Replies: @Jack D, @BB753

  72. @Dave Pinsen
    @SFG


    I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

     

    Literally thousands of Ukrainians were killed in warfare between 2014 and this year, and it wasn’t Putin who killed them.

    He also didn’t bomb Serbia to rubble in 1999. That was us.

    Replies: @BB753

    This place is rife with old armchair Cold Warriors and delusional neocons.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  73. @That Would Be Telling
    @Henry Canaday


    Increasingly in the 20th Century, life became less painful day-to-day in the advanced countries capable of aggression.
     
    I think another major factor was the development of safe and effective anti-microbials, first to a degree the sulfa drugs from the 1930s then antibiotics for civilians after WWII. Your lifespan is more predictable and more likely to be long without much of a possibility of a random infection ending you in a matter of days. TB also got (in theory) under control due to these (the big issue is compliance, taking lots of nasty pills every day for months).

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “safe and effective”

    This expression should only be used ironically.

  74. @Wilkey

    Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays)
     
    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Falklands are only 4,700 square miles in area, but the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (adopted, coincidentally, in 1982) gives it an Exclusive Economic Zone of over 200,000 square miles. Holding on to the Falklands may have been one of the best long-term investments the British could have ever made.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling, @GeologyAnonMk5

    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Royal Navy and Marines self-consciously did their best to put their thumb on the scales by loading up everything they could and sallying out of harbor ASAP, rather unlike the legend of Drake finishing his game of lawn bowls after being informed of the approach of the Spanish Armada. They spent a lot of time at Ascension Island repacking supplies etc. correctly.

    I remember a quote that went something like “After departing like this, families and others waving good bye to Rule, Britannia! there’s no way the politicians are going to be able to back down.” It should go without saying the continued future prospects of both of these units of the U.K.’s military weren’t great back then, even with the Cold War a thing. One of the two carriers was to be decommissioned that very year, and the Marines were not capable of doing an opposed amphibious landing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @That Would Be Telling

    Suez. Everybody was thinking about Suez in 1982. Eden's great mistake was waiting so long before reacting.

    The longer you wait in a situation like this, the more comfortable the world becomes with the new status quo, the angrier they will be at you for trying to put things back.

    This is why the British government reacted so quickly to the Falklands invasion. Within days there was a fleet on the way. (Though with much chaos and disorganization as you point out.)

  75. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Why has a Japan failed to give billions of dollars to Ukraine? Will they soon be sending Japanese troops to fight Russia? Actions always demonstrate why words mean little. It costs nothing for Japan to condemn Russia and implore Europeans to waste resources fighting Russia.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    Japan, unlike the US, knows Ukraine is not, and never has been, of any strategic importance to them.

  76. @Triteleia Laxa
    Don't you get it yet?

    The Dissident Right hates white people. It is just that the people on the DR are too stupid to recognise their hatred and so they attribute it to Jews instead.

    A white European country is invaded, its cities are bombed and its people are murdered. How does the DR respond? "Yay, Putin, you teach those Ukrainians a lesson."

    White people create tolerant systems for gays, and others. How does the DR respond? "You're all degenerate and disgusting."

    White people allow women full and equal access to the public sphere. How does the DR respond? "I can't wait to see your white people countries collapse."

    At this point, there really is no group in the world that hates white people, as we actually are, more than the DR. They hate our actions, they hate our beliefs, they hate our choices. The only "positive" things they can say either rest on using our history passive-aggressively to make us feel bad, or to hypothesise that we are so brain-dead that actually everything we do is not what we want and instead we are tricked into it by a handful of Jews.

    The Dissident Right hate hate hates white people and the white people in the Dissident Right hate themselves. There's nothing left to rescue of that movement. Only ashes, misery and dust remain.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Pixo

    The Dissident Right hates white people. It is just that the people on the DR are too stupid to recognise their hatred and so they attribute it to Jews instead.

    Is it so hard to understand that we hate whites who allow themselves to be ruled by Jews? It’s not even subtle now, between “Biden’s” cabinet etc. and (((Zelenskyy))).

    White people allow women full and equal access to the public sphere.

    This is not about you.

    The Dissident Right hate hate hates white people and the white people in the Dissident Right hate themselves.

    See the above, some self-hatred is warranted. Maybe, like you continued with, it’s terminal, I find the hatred towards SpaceX to be telling. I certainly can’t see our winning this side of a preference cascade which will not likely be of our making.

    Pardon me while I take a break and watch and listen to “WATCH and LISTEN – Putin Sings Russian National Anthem With 130,000 People!”, purged from YouTube (who’s CEO is a Jew with demonstrably more power in the company than the nominal pajeet CEO for the whole…). Was there as cMFIWBQB1kE but is still available here and there.

    • LOL: Jack D
  77. Wars of territorial conquest were once the chief occupation of kings. But around the turn of the 20th Century, smart guys started to think that war didn’t pay anymore.

    Wars of conquest may not pay anymore, but there are plenty of people and institutions dedicated to the proposition that war sill pays pretty well.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4377069-lockheed-martin-continues-to-reward-dividend-growth-investors

  78. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    “a Russia-China security alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon”

    As the Western nations rot from within the BRICS alliance is assembling. But don’t worry about Ukraine: the regions that won’t fall into Russian possession will still resemble the Zionist enclave under NATO protection. It will become an exhibition of globohomo nation building: the QR code/Internet of Bodies (IoB) physiological digital surveillance/transhumanist/synthetic humans cornucopia. You might want to look into a vacation cottage in the fantasy Khazarian homeland. But you’ll have to come pre-injected with the required jabs and boosters of witches brew to enter. Your body will be your passport.

    “it ain’t here yet”

    The main objective of the BRICS is detaching itself from the ancient and corrupt money order of the West and establishing its own financial system. That’s not going to happen overnight.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SunBakedSuburb

    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don't make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It's almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Anonymous

  79. But Hitler didn’t realize that the Haber-Bosch process meant that his worldview was out of date.

    As Americans with an enormous land/population ratio, it is easy for us to be glib about this, but it was hardly so at the time, and arguably isn’t even completely so now.

    First, it should be admitted that this worldview that food matters wasn’t exclusively Hitler’s but rather was the worldview of practically everyone who ever lived, most especially the heads of states near Malthusian limits (ie, most of them) and excludes only bizarre world historical exceptions such as the United States (which exception may be ending earlier than anticipated).

    Second, the Haber-Bosch process is not quite the magic bullet that recent popular histories might have one believe. While the process can increase crop yields with artificial ammonia (NH3), useable hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe. (It’s almost as if there is no free lunch. Literally. Literally literally.) So the upshot is that you can trade one scarce commodity, fuel, for another scarce commodity, food. But you are still in a situation of scarcity. As today Europe reels from a single pipeline shutdown, even more so in the early 20th century Europe lived at the margin on food, fuel, power, heat and light.

    And this wasn’t some academic ledger book type of problem. Hitler and everyone else in Central Europe understood from painful personal experience that the whole region was only a few meals from starvation in good times, and dipped all too easily into mass famine in not so good times.

    To paraphrase myself: Britain, the three major Axis powers, and lesser powers like the Netherlands, all could not feed themselves in the 1940s and were barely managing in the 1930s. Most haven’t been able to feed themselves since the Industrial Revolution.

    Trade or conquest wasn’t just about luxuries and currencies, it was about eating or not eating, life or death. Britain cutting off Central European trade wasn’t only hampering Viennese dress designs, it was starving people to death in their hundreds of thousands. Women and children most vulnerable, as today’s journalists always want to remind us.

    Germany was selling off its capital base to stave off starvation after the First World War, on top of paying Versailles reparations, having its key industrial regions occupied, and hyperinflation. The situation was unsustainable, to use a favorite Greenie term. The Haber-Bosch process may have provided some flexibility at the margin, but by itself it was never going to avert German desolation.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Almost Missouri

    “ fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe”

    Coal isn’t rare in Europe. They just cut way back on mining and burning it since Russia gas was so much cheaper, and cleaner. And the average grade of coal in Europe is especially low and dirty.

    There are some promising possibilities for fracking in France especially. Probably won’t happen, but European natural gas prices are now completely crazy, at the point diesel generators at $105bbl oil and $50 crack spreads is cheaper than the wholesale cost of electricity.

    Overall I think Russia underestimates Western ingenuity when a lot of money is involved.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

  80. @Triteleia Laxa
    Don't you get it yet?

    The Dissident Right hates white people. It is just that the people on the DR are too stupid to recognise their hatred and so they attribute it to Jews instead.

    A white European country is invaded, its cities are bombed and its people are murdered. How does the DR respond? "Yay, Putin, you teach those Ukrainians a lesson."

    White people create tolerant systems for gays, and others. How does the DR respond? "You're all degenerate and disgusting."

    White people allow women full and equal access to the public sphere. How does the DR respond? "I can't wait to see your white people countries collapse."

    At this point, there really is no group in the world that hates white people, as we actually are, more than the DR. They hate our actions, they hate our beliefs, they hate our choices. The only "positive" things they can say either rest on using our history passive-aggressively to make us feel bad, or to hypothesise that we are so brain-dead that actually everything we do is not what we want and instead we are tricked into it by a handful of Jews.

    The Dissident Right hate hate hates white people and the white people in the Dissident Right hate themselves. There's nothing left to rescue of that movement. Only ashes, misery and dust remain.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Pixo

    I think you are correctly describing a lot of people, but Dissident Right isn’t a good term to use as it is over-broad. That’s a term I believe John Derbyshire invented, but your description doesn’t apply to him.

    There’s not a better popular term now. Maybe Putinist right? It seems like the endorsement of the “special operation” is a pretty significant cleavage in the “far right” that maps to other differences, such as JQ and China.

    I find the whole Special Operation a disaster all around. I kinda liked Putin before. Not as much as Orban or Trump or Geert or Marine, but he was broadly on the right side. Now we’ve broken into Stalinists who remain loyal to Putlin and Trotskyyites.

  81. Japan is “white-adjacent”? What other countries (your plural) deserve that designation in your mind? Taiwan? But wouldn’t that make China necessarily white-adjacent, too?

    Meanwhile, Venezuela and Cuba are not at all adjacent, but “anti-white”. Why not throw Serbia and Hungary and Transnistria in there, too, while you’re at it. After all, Russia is leading the charge! (And they thought you were being ironic in your previous post.)

    Steve’s racial thinking is well past its peak of explanatory power.

  82. @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

    Replies: @Jack D, @Verymuchalive, @That Would Be Telling, @Joseph Doaks, @Pixo, @Anonymous

    “The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine’s integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It’s merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia.”

    True, but the majority of Americans, whose taxes are paying for it, do not understand this.

  83. @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

    Replies: @Jack D, @Verymuchalive, @That Would Be Telling, @Joseph Doaks, @Pixo, @Anonymous

    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.

    It doesn’t have to fire hundreds of heavy missiles into Ukrainian residential blocks. It didn’t have a send tanks toward Kiev.

    These are all evil acts, and Russia has already lost this war, regardless of how many bombed-out depopulated oblasts it annexes, no different than if the US undertook a costly and humiliating slow and bloody invasion of Baja, Mexico, where we failed to capture cities 20 miles from our border over many months. (Actually per capita GDP is Baja Mexico is significantly higher than Ukraine)

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.
     
    Yeah, Yeah. The U.S. didn't "have to" declare independence from Britain, invade Mexico, or refuse to let the South secede. The Ukraine didn't "have to" insist on being a heavily armed U.S. puppet or controlling ethnic Russians who don't want to be ruled by corrupt nazis. They also didn't "have to" refuse to agree to minimal terms in December 2021, or to pull back their peace offer in March because their puppet masters said to. They also don't "have to" reject the next offer -- which will be to let the already-conquered Russian oblasts go. But they will.

    Everybody has freedom of choice. But if it's exercised stupidly for the interests of foreigners, then your country inevitably gets screwed by history.

    P.S., I'd love to see you and Jack D rallying the Ukrainian troops: "Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed, but if it takes long enough people in the U.S. can say Russia 'lost,' and that's the important thing!!"

    Replies: @Jack D

  84. I don’t quite understand why the secessionist Russians in the Donbass are bad people and deserve to be crushed by the Ukrainians – whereas the secessionist Taiwan Chinese are good people and deserve to be protected by American soldiers?
    Perhaps Steve could at least try to explain the difference.

  85. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon
     
    His post was measured and calm. You were the one that brought in "salivating" and "Jew-American". You may want to get tested for Tourette's.

    Since you brought "Jew" into this, your Jew hysterics grow tiresome. I stopped counting at 10 of your posts, most saying the same thing, on the "Putin takes the lead" thread. Take a break from your stereotypical Jewish wordiness and, since you feel so strongly about this conflict between two countries that don't remotely threaten the US or US interests, grab a rifle and head on over. Be sure to post dozens of wordy updates.

    Your "lets see you two fight" routine is....really pretty Jewish. We Americans admire the strong, silent type more than we do the small-chested blathering type. Actions > words.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this. According to him this war is “all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again”. I am calling him on his bullshit blood libel. Millions died because of libels like this and I refuse to allow them to go unchallenged. Feel free to ignore me.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this.
     
    No. The comment to which you were replying did not include the word "Jew" or "Jewish". Stop lying.

    Perhaps you're posting so furiously you got confused.


    Millions died because of libels like this
     
    More Jewish hysteria.

    Replies: @Jack D

  86. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    The pattern of outrage is predicated on being integrated into the Western system. But outrage at the Russian invasion without outrage at the neocons in the state department who welcomed this outcome and whose management of this war is insane. I sympathise with the Ukrainians too but saying 'I support Ukraine' is code for 'I support this US neocon proxy war'. Operation: Protect Ukraine's Sovereignty hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine since 2014.

    Could the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion? Yes. Do they want to deal with the consequences of this? No. Why? Because nukes. Why nukes? Because this is existential to Russia and not even close to being that for the US. Therefore if there is no way for Ukraine to win prolonging the war without negotiation only serves the purpose of doing the maximum amount of damage to the Russian military in exchange for more Ukrainian territory and lives. It's not hard. And what does the US intend to do with the freedom from Russian counter balance from this diminished military? Fuck up Syria some more. Does any of this sound like a good idea to anyone but the neocons? No.

    The Western public responded as befits their development, they felt bad for Ukraine, the East Slavs were outraged for historical reasons. (They'd cheer if Ukraine invaded Russia and have tried twice to escalate the situation) The Japanese were outraged because they get their foreign news and perspectives from the West. The 'Russiagate' hoax turned the liberal progressives into neocons on Russia and forced not just Trump to try and prove how it wasn't true by sending even more weapons to Ukraine but led Biden to act like he was 'taking revenge' for something which never happened. With no opposition and a White House infested with neocons they decided to refuse all attempts to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the ethnic civil war (Which the US state department helped to instigate) in the East of Ukraine hoping Russia would invade and open the door to attack Russia by proxy both militarily and economically. They also hoped that Russia would take a huge amount of territory and a huge amount of ethnic Ukrainians who would be a source of a bitter insurgency for years or decades. This has to be made clear, it was the intended outcome of all this to have Russia invade Ukraine knowing that the context would never be explained to the public. 'Russiagate' made it even harder to make this point.

    The rest of the world saw the proxy war for what it was, another example of the neocons instigating wars. They correctly saw it as entirely avoidable and they correctly saw it as totally insane given Russia's nukes. If Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria were treated as horrible crimes and dangerous destabilisation the provocation of Russia and total lack of pullback (Almost every single hostile posture towards Russia has been taken short of an actual shooting war) is seen as so insane as to make US hegemony seem to actually be too dangerous to allow anymore.

    This is what Westerners don't get, the rest of the world aren't hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don't care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason, Russia doesn't threaten the US or Europe, it's powerful but not that powerful. They're not stupid they see that there is no Earthly reason to start something as dangerous as this. To them the US is the dangerous, imperial, unpredictable and unreasonable one. And they will not 'cancel' the new Russo-Chinese order, they will embrace it.

    This war isn't about the legality of wars of conquest, it's about the global balance of power and US hegemony. The territory of the Donbas or Ukraine's integrity is ultimately of total irrelevance to those fighting it. It's merely the context of the fight the US chose to pick with Russia. The US has also chosen to leave Russia with no choice but to take and hold these territories because it would do nothing but punish them for their weakness if they didn't. If this same situation occurred in Asia we would blame the country that picked the fight and decline all peaceful resolutions.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn't picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn't matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from. Sensible, logical and entirely in tune with then liberal progressives, fast forward after 'Russiagate'...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/


    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

    I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

    “It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.” He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him, in order to knock it down. “I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn’t exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn’t maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy.”

    “The ‘crazy Nixon’ approach,” I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you’re capable of committing irrational acts.

    “But let’s examine the Nixon theory,” he said. “So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I’m going to be trying to figure out how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In what way did that strategy promote our interests?”
     

    "He’s too logical, he’s too rational, he’s too into retrenchment." I think I'm beginning to understand how this generation of neocons got us to this point.

    But the neocons have underestimated the omnipotence of their golem. By stupidly wasting all it's time and efforts on punishing Russia for stopping the US from making another mess in Syria, it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western 'financial weapons' are useless now.

    The proxy war on Russia was like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a big display of open hostility but one which failed to hit any good strategic targets like the carriers, only succeeding in waking a sleeping giant, China. Russia was a declining great power, China could become the next hyperpower. The Russians just wanted to be left alone. Why would making Ukraine Finland on the steppe such a horrible idea?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJDPEEkH0

    Replies: @Jack D, @Verymuchalive, @That Would Be Telling, @Joseph Doaks, @Pixo, @Anonymous

    You have to keep an open mind about politics. Political groups don’t have friends, they have interests, and some of the interests are bizarre.

    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason,

    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM’s natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so. Much the same is true for most of Eastern Europe.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from.

    So, since Obama obviously runs the White House, why is he now supporting continuation of the Ukraine/Russia conflict? Answer: Consider the rest of the Biden Administration’s policies:
    * Arrest of prominent Republicans and of people who did no more than participate in an assembly declared by a sitting President to protest what they saw as a great wrong.
    * Shutting down the fossil fuel industry and spending the capital to start it up in Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
    * Borrowing such large amounts of money for immediate consumption that it cannot be paid back and has caused price inflation in the 10% to 20% range.
    * Opening the US borders so wide that even NYC and Washington DC are complaining.
    etc.
    Obama represents a Black constituency, led by 2nd generation Black African immigrants with a rank and file of Blacks whose ancestors were Southern slaves in the 1800s. They are trying to “deconstruct” the United States, and are of the opinion that losing a very risky war in Europe will contribute to the deconstruction. I’d guess that having the Neocons on their side is irritating, but considered a net positive.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "since Obama obviously runs the White House"

    But only when ESPN isn't on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Anonymous


    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM’s natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so.
     
    Mechanically, so far Germany has to do two things: stop the interdiction of things like Siemens turbines used to power the Nord Stream (1) pipeline, and sign long term contracts which the usual suspects hate compared to the spot market, and the Greens in the "traffic stop" coalition government hate because it locks the country into fossil fuel use for their duration (never mind how much is needed for industrial feed stocks, BASF has the world's largest complex in the country).

    Russia, like the fossil fuel industry in the US wants this so it can continue to invest in further production, although I suspect now it's not going to be very impressed by promises like contracts so something more probably will be required. And reversing the general embargo of Western widgets and services for fossil fuel production which is probably already crimping production requires action from more than Germany. Oh, I'll bet Russia/Putin are still smarting from Reagan's embargo on turbines for natural gas pipelines and leaking of incorrect plans for them to the Soviet Union, there's a lot of history here.

    In the US our big pain point is the bottleneck of oil refining, only one new 200K barrels/day refinery built since 1977 although some have expanded, but they're getting shut down all the time, 1 million barrels/day since the start of COVID and 3 million worldwide. Oh, and we were importing distillates from Russia especially into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic before we embargoed that. I point this out because of the parallel to Russia because our oil industry isn't about to make serious new investments in the US due to our crazy ruling class. You can reach Peak Oil if you sufficiently attack and defund the industry, and that's been happening beyond the US.

    But, hey, Germans are showering less so maybe conservation will allow them to pull through this winter....

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
     
    Do you have any back up for this claim?
  87. @Almost Missouri

    But Hitler didn’t realize that the Haber-Bosch process meant that his worldview was out of date.
     
    As Americans with an enormous land/population ratio, it is easy for us to be glib about this, but it was hardly so at the time, and arguably isn't even completely so now.

    First, it should be admitted that this worldview that food matters wasn't exclusively Hitler's but rather was the worldview of practically everyone who ever lived, most especially the heads of states near Malthusian limits (ie, most of them) and excludes only bizarre world historical exceptions such as the United States (which exception may be ending earlier than anticipated).

    Second, the Haber-Bosch process is not quite the magic bullet that recent popular histories might have one believe. While the process can increase crop yields with artificial ammonia (NH3), useable hydrogen comes mainly from fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe. (It's almost as if there is no free lunch. Literally. Literally literally.) So the upshot is that you can trade one scarce commodity, fuel, for another scarce commodity, food. But you are still in a situation of scarcity. As today Europe reels from a single pipeline shutdown, even more so in the early 20th century Europe lived at the margin on food, fuel, power, heat and light.

    And this wasn't some academic ledger book type of problem. Hitler and everyone else in Central Europe understood from painful personal experience that the whole region was only a few meals from starvation in good times, and dipped all too easily into mass famine in not so good times.

    To paraphrase myself: Britain, the three major Axis powers, and lesser powers like the Netherlands, all could not feed themselves in the 1940s and were barely managing in the 1930s. Most haven’t been able to feed themselves since the Industrial Revolution.

    Trade or conquest wasn’t just about luxuries and currencies, it was about eating or not eating, life or death. Britain cutting off Central European trade wasn't only hampering Viennese dress designs, it was starving people to death in their hundreds of thousands. Women and children most vulnerable, as today's journalists always want to remind us.

    Germany was selling off its capital base to stave off starvation after the First World War, on top of paying Versailles reparations, having its key industrial regions occupied, and hyperinflation. The situation was unsustainable, to use a favorite Greenie term. The Haber-Bosch process may have provided some flexibility at the margin, but by itself it was never going to avert German desolation.

    Replies: @Pixo

    “ fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe”

    Coal isn’t rare in Europe. They just cut way back on mining and burning it since Russia gas was so much cheaper, and cleaner. And the average grade of coal in Europe is especially low and dirty.

    There are some promising possibilities for fracking in France especially. Probably won’t happen, but European natural gas prices are now completely crazy, at the point diesel generators at \$105bbl oil and \$50 crack spreads is cheaper than the wholesale cost of electricity.

    Overall I think Russia underestimates Western ingenuity when a lot of money is involved.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pixo

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Pixo


    Coal isn’t rare in Europe.
     
    Neither is food. It isn't that coal (or food) is rare. It's that they are both scarce relative to the need. Everyone needs to eat, but the acres of central Europe aren't quite up to the task of feeding everyone who lives there. Coal (of indifferent quality) can be got from the ground, but every factory needs it for power, every home needs it for heat, the utilities need it for electricity, the chemical plants need it to make synfuel, ... and now it turns out farmers need it to grow food.

    When your saving grace turns out to be something that is already massively overdemanded by everyone else, well, it's not such a saving grace after all.
  88. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese.
     
    Of course it's necessary. Can't conquer Europe without pacifying Ukraine and getting its resources and manpower.

    Of course, the Chinese aren't too thrilled with the idea of a Russia that includes all of Europe. There's even a WWII analogy. Hitler was hoping that the Japanese would help him out by opening up an Eastern front with Russia. From the Japanese standpoint, it would have been nuts to help destroy the Russians at great cost, only to become neighbors with an ascendant and territorially acquisitive Germany.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Even I don’t think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Even I don’t think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.
     
    Did Steve Jobs want to be a billionaire or become bigger than IBM and the rest of the hardware industry combined, profit-wise when he started tinkering with DIY computer kits? Did Alexander want to conquer the world when he started his first campaign on the Greek peninsula? A person's goals are shaped by success and/or failure.

    Western leaders are domesticated. Non-Western leaders are not. The difference is between a lion and a house cat. If Putin could, he would conquer the world. Ditto for Xi. They are truly leaders in a way no Western leader today can ever be, because they are pitiless and hold absolute power within their respective continental-sized realms. And that's what makes them so dangerous.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.
     
    Ludicrous. Russia isn't going to invade Kazakhstan or the Baltics.

    The Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are all part of Greater Russia in ways that none of the other parts of the former USSR are. The Russian people originated with the Kiev Rus a thousand years ago. Sevastopol was founded as the home port of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in the 18th Century. No sovereign Russian leader would let the Ukraine be turned into a NATO-aligned anti-Russia.

    The weird thing is that the inherent connection of the Ukraine and Russia isn't some esoteric bit of history, but was common knowledge until several years ago. For example, here's Neil Diamond in 2012 introducing his paean to immigration, "America", by mentioning that his grandmother came from "Kiev, Russia".

    https://youtu.be/RrgCxSSwBto

    Replies: @Jack D

  89. Am I the only one who got cognitive dissonance from the phrase “sub-Arctic Falklands”? Technically, they’re “super-Antarctic Falklands”, but I guess that doesn’t convey “cold and remote” quite as immediately.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  90. @Pixo
    @Almost Missouri

    “ fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe”

    Coal isn’t rare in Europe. They just cut way back on mining and burning it since Russia gas was so much cheaper, and cleaner. And the average grade of coal in Europe is especially low and dirty.

    There are some promising possibilities for fracking in France especially. Probably won’t happen, but European natural gas prices are now completely crazy, at the point diesel generators at $105bbl oil and $50 crack spreads is cheaper than the wholesale cost of electricity.

    Overall I think Russia underestimates Western ingenuity when a lot of money is involved.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Jack D

    You are probably right, but it’s possible that Germany avoided or will avoid a Fukushima or bigger nuclear disaster.

    Definitely unfortunate timing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.
     
    I think a bigger aspect is the "cultural maturity" destruction wrought by the War. The German's have run around since then doing their apologias and trying not to be too "big". And having the Americans providing your security during the Cold War, not psychologically helpful either.

    Ultimately there is no alternative--certainly none that is psychologically healthy--than being responsible for yourself. True for individuals. True for nations.

    Basically, Germans need to stop being pansies about being German and looking after their own interests. Be German, and be proud of being German. Kick the African and muzzy invaders out. Don't let the "Nazi!" screamers bug you--kick them out as well. Then act like real Germans and build the nuclear industry necessary to run your economy. (It's carbon free!) Can cooperate with the French--and others--where mutually beneficial. But your economy--your responsibility.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    The Germans don't do things by halves. Having decided that coal and nuclear were 'bad' they shut both down completely. No exceptions, no reservations.

  91. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    I live in Poland and the basic idea is, when the news says “russia is invading Ukraine” Polish people hear: “russia is going to invade Poland.” and indeed russian state tv and some other represenatives of the “Ukraine is not the end” school have made it clear that they want to wreck Poland as well…

    Among other reasons for Polish support of Ukraine is that Ukrainian labor in Poland has been an integral part of the country’s economic success in recent years – there were an estimated 2 million in the country at any given time by the time covid started (probably an underestimation).

    I live in west Poland which probably has had fewer Ukrainians per capita than some places but I can’t walk down the street for 5 minutes without hearing people speaking russian or Ukrainian or a mix of the two an I remember seeing the initial crowds in late February at the train station (which I was walking though to get to work). Almost all women and children and a few older or disabled men.

  92. @michael droy
    @SFG

    Rather Poland wants to eat the remains of Ukraine after the lion has had his share - while pretending to be a white knight.
    Until Ukraine can get a government that can be a proper neighbour and not have US trained Nazis shelling Russian speaking civilians from afar (HIMARS make that much easier) then Russia will continue to push further in Ukraine. It will be quite happy if Poland takes control in the East. The Poles are mad, but nothing like as mad as Ukraine has been.

    In regards to 20th century history - Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    Replies: @cliff arroyo, @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    There is no evidence beyond the fevered imaginations of putin’s fluffers that Poland has any territorial ambitions in Ukraine (Hungary… that’s a different story).

    Not in the media, not in daily conversations… just… no. The idea doesn’t exist.

    What Poland might like, after the war is over, is something like what Sweden and Norway have had for many decades – sovereign nations with established borders and similar (but not identical) languages with free movement and labor rights and the like.

    and no… russia has never been”good for Poland”

  93. @Jack D
    @Pixo

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    You are probably right, but it’s possible that Germany avoided or will avoid a Fukushima or bigger nuclear disaster.

    Definitely unfortunate timing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pixo

    It's possible but unlikely. The French have never had a major nuclear accident despite being not as anal a race as the Germans. There are no earthquakes in Germany and they have a strong safety culture.

    Aside from tsunamis, Japanese society has certain structural weaknesses that made Fukishima more likely. Not unlike Boeing and the Max, you had regulatory capture of the regulator so proper oversight was not provided. During Japan's rise, the hand in hand role of MITI and Japan, Inc. was praised but this clearly has a downside as well. Best practices were not followed by TEPCO and no one was there to hold their feet to the fire.

  94. @International Jew
    Israel '48 wasn't a classic war of conquest inasmuch as the victor wasn't an independent country before the war began. It was more like Yugoslavia in the 1990s: several hostile populations previously held in check from above (Tito/British Mandate) are suddenly free to go at it and scramble for territory. The Palestinians are analogous to the Serbs of Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo; with support from their hinterland they tried to cleanse out the Croatians, Bosnians and Kosovars but ended up losing.

    Another way Israel '48 wasn't like, say, US-Mexico 1846: the Jews actually lost territory in some places (the old city of Jerusalem, Gush Etzion, an enclave in the Hula Valley).

    Replies: @Nachum

    I’m pretty sure Israel didn’t lose any land the UN had marked as theirs, or barely did. Gush Etzion was to be entirely in the Arab state, and Jerusalem in a UN zone surrounded by same.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Nachum

    That's correct, and may have some bearing on issues of right and wrong. But as a matter of whether that was a classic war of conquest, losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

    Replies: @Jack D

  95. @michael droy
    @SFG

    Rather Poland wants to eat the remains of Ukraine after the lion has had his share - while pretending to be a white knight.
    Until Ukraine can get a government that can be a proper neighbour and not have US trained Nazis shelling Russian speaking civilians from afar (HIMARS make that much easier) then Russia will continue to push further in Ukraine. It will be quite happy if Poland takes control in the East. The Poles are mad, but nothing like as mad as Ukraine has been.

    In regards to 20th century history - Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    Replies: @cliff arroyo, @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    Russia wasn’t exactly good to Poland when it refused to help in Warsaw or took more than half its territory.

    Or occupied it for over forty years.

  96. There was something going on in the West in the late 60’s that would explain the reaction to the Six-Day War a lot better.

    That something eventually came for 1948 and 1947 and 1917 too.

  97. @BB753
    @prosa123

    Some Tatars look white, most don't. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    Replies: @prosa123

    Some Tatars look white, most don’t. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    If Chechens were present in the United States in any significant number they wouldn’t be considered white because of the browning effect of Islam. We consider Islam a nonwhite religion and would most likely include Chechens with Middle Easterners.
    Bosnians are a sort of exception; we have no choice but to consider them white because there’s no logical alternative. True, although Portugal is a European country the substantial Portuguese community in Hawaii is nonwhite, that’s an artifact of local culture.
    As for Georgians, I don’t believe they’re present in appreciable numbers, but if there were they’d most likely get the same treatment as Armenians: traditionally considered somewhat exotic whites, more recently becoming non-white as the Los Angeles Armenians already are.

    Before anyone says anything, yes I concede that US racial categories are pretty much unique in the world, what with the One Drop Rule and the treatment of Hispanics as a race.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Sure, if you view race as 100% socially constructed, then anyone can be non-white - Jew, Baltic Slavs, the Irish, whomever. Either they are non-white because the majority does not accept them as "white" (the bad old days) or because the minority itself perceives (or receives) benefits from separating themselves from the deplorable white category and wants to receive reverential capitalization like Blacks and Hispanics (the Current Year).

    However, if view white as a genetic category, it's kind of idiotic to say that people from the Caucasus are not Caucasian.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @BB753
    @prosa123

    Well, Armenians are a bit exotic, but physically Georgians are not. Both people are Christian.

  98. I just finished reading “The Imperial Cruise” by James Bradley (“Flags of our Fathers”) in which he describes in great detail how Teddy Roosevelt encouraged Japan to expand into Asia and conquer and control Korea and parts of China. Japan has a bloody histiry of conquest, but to their credit a royal ass kicking of Russia. Good read, well foot noted.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Buffalo Joe

    Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    , @JohnDoyle
    @Buffalo Joe

    so the question that arises is what happened in a space of about 20 years, with before the advent of TR's cousin?
    "Conquer and control" Korean and "parts" of China? More careful reading of Bradley's book will show that TR said Korea and (North) China are within Japan's "sphere of influence".
    "Parts" of China: well, parts is parts.

  99. Some comments are good & OK; others – not so.

    Steve is not right about the “white thing”.

    Eastern European peoples who are against Russian aggression simply don’t want to have Russian oppression again. They’re fed up with it, even the most enthusiastic founders of Slavophile ideology like Czechs and Slovaks. It is not about “race”.

    Even taking into account blunders & corruption of various Ukrainian governments, what we’re witnessing now is a heroic re-birth of the Ukrainian nation. Ukrainians, one way or another, will win & these are events future generations will have as national myths talked about by fireside. Russian imperialism will be defeated, and that’s what is historically & morally right.

    Other than that- Cuba, Venezuela, China… have their different reasons, barely having anything to do with race. Venezuela and Cuba are still loony Communist utopias, while China is the eternal Oriental despotism in a modernized attire.

    Hitler’s project was basically reasonable from the point of view of power (his racial policy being self-destructive). Hitler was right that he needed big space to be the global power. French political scientist Raymond Aron, in his masterwork “Peace and War” was right when he said that post-war Germany is prosperous & successful- but somewhat less. Not a power anymore. Even without US occupying forces, even with the nukes- not a world power. Imagine a Germany from France to the Urals, inhabited mostly by Germans. Superpower.

    Israel’s 1967 war was a preventive war without conclusion. Religious fanaticism aside, Israelis must build their settlements on the West Bank simply because Palestinian Arabs are eternal enemies. Irrepressible & unforgiving. Israelis moved out from Gaza & they got a terrorist territory. If they move out from the West Bank, they’d have another Gaza- and the one that could cut them in half & destroy them as a coutry. So I guess that, although I find this odious, they must continue with settler colonization in the West Bank & gradually push Palestinians into Jordan. It’s to be or not to be.  

    I am certain that Russian imperialism will be defeated, but Russia must go through some kind of purification & become a truly white country (minus faggotry & Negrolatry). The entire white European civilization needs cleansing.

    Japan is capable of technological miracles. I guess they’ll have, soon, not just fifth-generation jets like the US & China, and now Korea: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/asia/south-korea-kf-21-fighter-jet-first-flight-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

    South Korea joins supersonic fighter club as KF-21 jet takes to skies

    Japanese will have, rather soon, I guess – 6th, 7th,… generation jets.

  100. @michael droy
    @SFG

    Rather Poland wants to eat the remains of Ukraine after the lion has had his share - while pretending to be a white knight.
    Until Ukraine can get a government that can be a proper neighbour and not have US trained Nazis shelling Russian speaking civilians from afar (HIMARS make that much easier) then Russia will continue to push further in Ukraine. It will be quite happy if Poland takes control in the East. The Poles are mad, but nothing like as mad as Ukraine has been.

    In regards to 20th century history - Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    Replies: @cliff arroyo, @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    In regards to 20th century history – Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).

    What causes a man to wake up in the morning and start spinning and spinning–i.e. lying–in support of Russia? Even if you are Russian, it is kind of lame. If you are not it is just pathological.

    More accurately, Stalin and Hitler together started the War by their sleazy deal to carve up Poland. In contrast, the British and French–wisely or not–issued guarantees to Poland and declared war on Germany over its invasion of Poland. The West later–exigences of wartime alliance–gave Russia sort of propaganda pass on starting the War. But that’s the reality.

    This decision of Stalin’s was, of course, a disaster for the Russian people. And yes, Russia later pushed the Germans out of Poland. But even your “Babrarossa onwards” is smoke screen. Yes, the Russians drove out the Germans … but then gobbled up huge chunks of Poland themselves, giving Poles a big chunk of Germany in return, and then imposed a communist government on Poland for the next 40+ years. Yeah, real great neighbor stuff. Surprising there isn’t more love for Russia.

    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @AnotherDad

    This is not exactly accurate. The Fascist state of Sanaciiya Poland, egged on by the British security guarantees, started to ethnically cleanse polish Germans. The Poles also called for Mobilization .

    So the nazi mr. Hitler has basically no choice but to start a limited war there, or else he would lose his street cred as a German Nationalist. A certain Backroom deal with the abominable mr. Stalin helped him to decide.

    The Allies then started their Phoney War, turning the limited operation into WW2. They really wanted to contain Germany, and may be were right in that. But the Poles have a few tings to answer to as well.

    Replies: @Jack D

  101. @Thea
    Small quibble, but I don’t consider any Latin American country to be anti-white. If anything they exhibit white supremacy on steroids.


    But Anti-Anglo? Yes! I believe you once called it “Catherine of Aragon’s revenge.”

    Replies: @Alden

    I think Prince Charles’ who will become sovereign sometime in the next 10 years making speeches and attending events at Mosques is also Catherine of Aragon’s revenge.

    OT a friend just called me on a landline. Both her computer and cell phone are afflicted with a red screen that flashes a sign
    “ gender equality now”. She can’t get rid of it.

    I for one would love to see gender and racial equality. Equality that includes the most discriminated demographic in America; White men.

  102. A new term for HBD IQ Realist just born : A White Adjanced. Nipponese are now White Adjanced , standing strong with White Poles.

    Oh boy, Americans writing on Race are the best.

    Btw, the map is false: Israel (is it White Adjanced or plain White now?) is on mr Putins side, never condemned Russian Federations doings officially, to the embarassement of their US State Dept expats.

  103. @SFG
    Japan is doing the time honored small country thing of kissing up to the friendliest big power around. They’re next door to China and relations are not good (they had their own WW2 atrocities and the countries are long term rivals).

    Besides, we buy their cars and animated squid porn (I kid).

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn’t have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin’s war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says “LOL”.

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons … but they aren’t going to fight for Ukraine and can’t even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    — Don’t rely on some paper.
    — Don’t rely on some amorphous vapory “international law”
    — Don’t rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @AnotherDad

    Ukraine could not operate nukes anymore than her high-seas fleet. Which she either wasted or sold out to China. Same would have happened with the nukes, should the Ukraine have them.

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    — Don’t rely on some paper.
    — Don’t rely on some amorphous vapory “international law”
    — Don’t rely on America or the West
     
    The Jews of Europe learned these lessons the hard way. It's not a coincidence that Israel was the world's 6th nuclear power despite have a population many times smaller than any other nuclear armed state. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    Ukraine made a giant mistake when it surrendered its nuclear weapons. I don't care if they didn't have the codes to operate them or that they technically belonged to Russia. They would have cracked that long ago. They broke all 3 of your rules and now they are paying the price.
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @AnotherDad


    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads.
     
    Where did Japan get the weapons grade fissionables to make these warheads?

    Not from their civilian nuclear reactors unless they managed to run lots of thirty day cycles of them without anyone noticing. Let plutonium breed for too long and you get too much of two isotopes that prevent using it in a weapon, the is the one used for heat in deep space missions, the other spontaneously fissions at too high a rate and is what forced us into using implosion devices instead of gun assembly in the Manhattan Project. Otherwise they've separated a lot of U-235 through mechanical means, again without anyone noticing.

    Another problem, and why it makes no sense to compare them and Germany on civilian nuclear power, is that they just don't have a safety culture that's compatible with anything nuclear, which was evident long before Fukushima.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    The message to every nation is clear:
    — Don’t rely on some paper.
    — Don’t rely on some amorphous vapory “international law”
    — Don’t rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.
     
    Agree, but crossing the horizon of no return on this wasn't Putin in Ukraine in 2022, but Obama in Libya in 2011, if not Bush in Iraq in 2003.

    Kim Jong-un understands.
    , @Gordo
    @AnotherDad


    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn’t have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.
     
    The Japanese are 90 days away from a functional nuclear deterrent and have been for many years.

    The day the American umbrella is withdrawn the top Jap man will pull the 90 day trigger.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  104. @AnotherDad
    @michael droy



    In regards to 20th century history – Russia shared Poland with Germany in 1939 after everyone else decided not to stand up to Germany. But from Barbarossa onwards, Russia has only been good for Poland. No Russia and Poland would still be in Germany (France too).
     
    What causes a man to wake up in the morning and start spinning and spinning--i.e. lying--in support of Russia? Even if you are Russian, it is kind of lame. If you are not it is just pathological.

    More accurately, Stalin and Hitler together started the War by their sleazy deal to carve up Poland. In contrast, the British and French--wisely or not--issued guarantees to Poland and declared war on Germany over its invasion of Poland. The West later--exigences of wartime alliance--gave Russia sort of propaganda pass on starting the War. But that's the reality.

    This decision of Stalin's was, of course, a disaster for the Russian people. And yes, Russia later pushed the Germans out of Poland. But even your "Babrarossa onwards" is smoke screen. Yes, the Russians drove out the Germans ... but then gobbled up huge chunks of Poland themselves, giving Poles a big chunk of Germany in return, and then imposed a communist government on Poland for the next 40+ years. Yeah, real great neighbor stuff. Surprising there isn't more love for Russia.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum

    This is not exactly accurate. The Fascist state of Sanaciiya Poland, egged on by the British security guarantees, started to ethnically cleanse polish Germans. The Poles also called for Mobilization .

    So the nazi mr. Hitler has basically no choice but to start a limited war there, or else he would lose his street cred as a German Nationalist. A certain Backroom deal with the abominable mr. Stalin helped him to decide.

    The Allies then started their Phoney War, turning the limited operation into WW2. They really wanted to contain Germany, and may be were right in that. But the Poles have a few tings to answer to as well.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Thelma Ringbaum


    Hitler has basically no choice
     
    Hitler has "no choice", Putin has "no choice" - what is it with this dictators and their defenders that they have "no choice" - they just HAVE TO attack their neighbors?
  105. @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

    Ukraine could not operate nukes anymore than her high-seas fleet. Which she either wasted or sold out to China. Same would have happened with the nukes, should the Ukraine have them.

  106. @Whereismyhandle
    Guess "Ukraine" (if that's what we're calling Zelensky and the CIA) shouldn't have been torturing and killing Russians because it looks like their attempt at an ethnic cleansing conquest of the Donbass from its own people isnt going to end well for them.

    Rules based order indeed. As you apparently didn't originally know but have since had time to find out it was Ukraine and the West that ignored and blew up the Minsk accords.

    In January 2022, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, said that "The fulfillment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s destruction. When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents."

    Actually, it wasn't impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Corvinus, @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    The Minsk Accords were designed to buy time so the U.S. could arm the Ukrainians sufficiently to invade the Donbas and Crimea. If Hillary had won in 2016, they would have launched the war during her term. But that damn meddling Trump just wanted to avoid war and make deals! So the deep state smeared him as a Putin asset and then impeached him for interfering with Col. Vindman’s “intra-agency consensus” plan for Ukraine. Oh yeah, and Biden and the rest of the Democrats and neocons were of course on the take from Ukraine (more accurately — they were getting kickbacks from the U.S. taxpayer money sent there).

    The rot from the Ukraine war scheme has been poisoning U.S. politics big-time since 2014. It’s not just an “over-there” issue.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Hypnotoad666


    The rot from the Ukraine war scheme has been poisoning U.S. politics big-time since 2014.
     
    I suspect a lot earlier; a color revolution against the same pro-Russian politician ousted in 2014 was staged in 2004. I'd want to see when the Biden family and others in the Deep State started making money or laundering it through the Ukraine.

    I haven't been reading Peter Schweizer's latest books; some searching just now shows the Biden family being crooked before 2014 as should not surprise anyone, and Kazakhstan for example comes up in 2012. The Clinton crime family started getting money from the Ukraine when Hillary became Secretary of State in 2009.

    Oh, how optimistic we were that Obama had staged a masterstroke against this 2008 rival and had neutered them by appointing her to a position where she and Bill would be controlled and under scrutiny. Instead they made bank all over the world and he sort of looted the Democratic party and it didn't have much choice but to pick Hillary for 2016 so there would be money for the campaign.

    There's stuff to be found, "Biden" wasn't the preferred 2020 candidate in 2019, Obama was trying to prevent that, so factions were digging up and publishing dirt on he and his family before whomever/whatever decided to make him the Official candidate.
  107. @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    Even I don't think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

    Even I don’t think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    Did Steve Jobs want to be a billionaire or become bigger than IBM and the rest of the hardware industry combined, profit-wise when he started tinkering with DIY computer kits? Did Alexander want to conquer the world when he started his first campaign on the Greek peninsula? A person’s goals are shaped by success and/or failure.

    Western leaders are domesticated. Non-Western leaders are not. The difference is between a lion and a house cat. If Putin could, he would conquer the world. Ditto for Xi. They are truly leaders in a way no Western leader today can ever be, because they are pitiless and hold absolute power within their respective continental-sized realms. And that’s what makes them so dangerous.

    • Troll: S. Anonyia
  108. White countries have had all kinds of retarded tendencies, now and in the past. THIS BLOG is the foremost authority in the world on that subject.

  109. @SFG
    I think Poland’s dislike of the invasion has less to do with whiteness and more to do with fear of being Putin’s next meal. The Russians already trashed Poland once in living memory (with or without help from the Germans and Austrians the other times).

    I think what you are seeing is the alignment with either the USA or its opponents-look at Venezuela. Even China’s only kind of on Russia’s side-always good to see your arch rival taken down a peg, but they do have a border with Russia too (not that Putin is dumb enough to start anything with them).

    Replies: @Anon, @dearieme, @AndrewR, @S. Anonyia, @michael droy, @cliff arroyo, @Hypnotoad666

    I don’t know where Steve got his map, but it’s kind of crap. You really know it’s propaganda because they refuse to color Russia as being on the pro-Russia side! They color Ukraine as being anti-Russia, so it’s not that the belligerents themselves are excluded. But the problem, you see, is that Russia is very large and coloring it in would defeat the map’s propaganda purpose of making it seem isolated.

    In any event, why should the U.S. score points for coercing powerless countries to make meaningless statements of “support” at the UN? They just figure it’s better to kiss Western Ass outwardly while routing secretly for the Russians to break down dollar hegemony and the Western sanctions threat that hangs over their countries. Make waves and you’ll be next in line for a “color revolution.” If they had a category for “coerced fake-friends” it would fill up the map. India, Turkey, Hungary, Brazil and Saudi Arabia, among many others, are clearly pulling for Russia on the down-low.

  110. @prosa123
    @BB753

    Some Tatars look white, most don’t. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    If Chechens were present in the United States in any significant number they wouldn't be considered white because of the browning effect of Islam. We consider Islam a nonwhite religion and would most likely include Chechens with Middle Easterners.
    Bosnians are a sort of exception; we have no choice but to consider them white because there's no logical alternative. True, although Portugal is a European country the substantial Portuguese community in Hawaii is nonwhite, that's an artifact of local culture.
    As for Georgians, I don't believe they're present in appreciable numbers, but if there were they'd most likely get the same treatment as Armenians: traditionally considered somewhat exotic whites, more recently becoming non-white as the Los Angeles Armenians already are.

    Before anyone says anything, yes I concede that US racial categories are pretty much unique in the world, what with the One Drop Rule and the treatment of Hispanics as a race.

    Replies: @Jack D, @BB753

    Sure, if you view race as 100% socially constructed, then anyone can be non-white – Jew, Baltic Slavs, the Irish, whomever. Either they are non-white because the majority does not accept them as “white” (the bad old days) or because the minority itself perceives (or receives) benefits from separating themselves from the deplorable white category and wants to receive reverential capitalization like Blacks and Hispanics (the Current Year).

    However, if view white as a genetic category, it’s kind of idiotic to say that people from the Caucasus are not Caucasian.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Race in the US is more of a social construct than a reflection of biology. We have Spanish-speaking people of 100% European ancestry legally classified as nonwhite, and for that matter all Spanish-speaking people regardless of physical appearance being the same race. And then there are people of 100% white appearance being legally classified as black because they're 1/64th black. So indeed, it's not surprising that Caucasian people aren't Caucasian.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

    — Don’t rely on some paper.
    — Don’t rely on some amorphous vapory “international law”
    — Don’t rely on America or the West

    The Jews of Europe learned these lessons the hard way. It’s not a coincidence that Israel was the world’s 6th nuclear power despite have a population many times smaller than any other nuclear armed state. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    Ukraine made a giant mistake when it surrendered its nuclear weapons. I don’t care if they didn’t have the codes to operate them or that they technically belonged to Russia. They would have cracked that long ago. They broke all 3 of your rules and now they are paying the price.

  112. @Pixo
    @Jack D

    You are probably right, but it’s possible that Germany avoided or will avoid a Fukushima or bigger nuclear disaster.

    Definitely unfortunate timing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s possible but unlikely. The French have never had a major nuclear accident despite being not as anal a race as the Germans. There are no earthquakes in Germany and they have a strong safety culture.

    Aside from tsunamis, Japanese society has certain structural weaknesses that made Fukishima more likely. Not unlike Boeing and the Max, you had regulatory capture of the regulator so proper oversight was not provided. During Japan’s rise, the hand in hand role of MITI and Japan, Inc. was praised but this clearly has a downside as well. Best practices were not followed by TEPCO and no one was there to hold their feet to the fire.

  113. This is another one of the unfortunately increasing number of posts where Sailer insults the intelligence of his readers.

  114. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    “Unnecessary” is the key word here.

    The West is so ridiculously badly governed–waving in invaders and celebrating queers–that it’s hard to make fun of the disaster that is Putin. But the sheer stupidity of this war is pretty striking.

    Putin was actually in a pretty good place where Russia is supplying needed resources and developing its economy and could serve–and gain influence/power–as the counterbalancing “sane white power” to E.U. –globohomo, fag-flag, “rapefugees welcome”–bullying for sane European nations (political parties, people).

    Putin threw it all away on revanchist 19th century Czar-wannbe fantasies.

    Loss for Europe, for the West, for white people as well as Russia and a disaster for Ukraine. Only a win for arms makers, deep state bureaucrats and the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @AnotherDad

    The neocons pushed Putin into a corner. I'm all for the right to self rule, but you can't ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.

    The US spit in Russia's face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.

    In truth, Russia should have invaded Ukraine in 2014. That was Putin's big mistake.

    Regardless, this is a mucho bigger fight than just the Ukraine. The US won't stop until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, and they know what it will take to stop the neocons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

  115. @Pixo
    @Altai

    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.

    It doesn’t have to fire hundreds of heavy missiles into Ukrainian residential blocks. It didn’t have a send tanks toward Kiev.

    These are all evil acts, and Russia has already lost this war, regardless of how many bombed-out depopulated oblasts it annexes, no different than if the US undertook a costly and humiliating slow and bloody invasion of Baja, Mexico, where we failed to capture cities 20 miles from our border over many months. (Actually per capita GDP is Baja Mexico is significantly higher than Ukraine)

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.

    Yeah, Yeah. The U.S. didn’t “have to” declare independence from Britain, invade Mexico, or refuse to let the South secede. The Ukraine didn’t “have to” insist on being a heavily armed U.S. puppet or controlling ethnic Russians who don’t want to be ruled by corrupt nazis. They also didn’t “have to” refuse to agree to minimal terms in December 2021, or to pull back their peace offer in March because their puppet masters said to. They also don’t “have to” reject the next offer — which will be to let the already-conquered Russian oblasts go. But they will.

    Everybody has freedom of choice. But if it’s exercised stupidly for the interests of foreigners, then your country inevitably gets screwed by history.

    P.S., I’d love to see you and Jack D rallying the Ukrainian troops: “Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed, but if it takes long enough people in the U.S. can say Russia ‘lost,’ and that’s the important thing!!”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Hypnotoad rallying the Continental Army at Valley Forge: “Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed by the mighty British Army, but if it takes long enough people in France can say England ‘lost,’ and that’s the important thing!!”

    Hypnotoad rallying the British public in 1941: “Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed by the mighty German Army, etc.

    Putinists keep jumping to the last page of the book - the Ukrainians will be defeated, the US dollar will be dethroned, etc. Let us know when that actually happens because it hasn't happened yet. You're like the Lord Haw Haw of this war. It's useless to struggle against the mighty Russian Army, #2 army in the world! #1 Stealer of Washing Machines! Surrender now! This sounded a lot more convincing on on Day 5 than it does on Day 150.

  116. @Jack D
    @Pixo

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    I think a bigger aspect is the “cultural maturity” destruction wrought by the War. The German’s have run around since then doing their apologias and trying not to be too “big”. And having the Americans providing your security during the Cold War, not psychologically helpful either.

    Ultimately there is no alternative–certainly none that is psychologically healthy–than being responsible for yourself. True for individuals. True for nations.

    Basically, Germans need to stop being pansies about being German and looking after their own interests. Be German, and be proud of being German. Kick the African and muzzy invaders out. Don’t let the “Nazi!” screamers bug you–kick them out as well. Then act like real Germans and build the nuclear industry necessary to run your economy. (It’s carbon free!) Can cooperate with the French–and others–where mutually beneficial. But your economy–your responsibility.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @AnotherDad

    I've lived in Germany and said those exact words to them. Let's say that it go over well.

    They are a defeated people.

  117. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn’t need this colonial war to “save itself”. It didn’t need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It’s sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.
     
    "Unnecessary" is the key word here.

    The West is so ridiculously badly governed--waving in invaders and celebrating queers--that it's hard to make fun of the disaster that is Putin. But the sheer stupidity of this war is pretty striking.

    Putin was actually in a pretty good place where Russia is supplying needed resources and developing its economy and could serve--and gain influence/power--as the counterbalancing "sane white power" to E.U. --globohomo, fag-flag, "rapefugees welcome"--bullying for sane European nations (political parties, people).

    Putin threw it all away on revanchist 19th century Czar-wannbe fantasies.

    Loss for Europe, for the West, for white people as well as Russia and a disaster for Ukraine. Only a win for arms makers, deep state bureaucrats and the Chinese.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The neocons pushed Putin into a corner. I’m all for the right to self rule, but you can’t ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.

    The US spit in Russia’s face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.

    In truth, Russia should have invaded Ukraine in 2014. That was Putin’s big mistake.

    Regardless, this is a mucho bigger fight than just the Ukraine. The US won’t stop until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, and they know what it will take to stop the neocons.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.
     
    What state do you live in? Perhaps you could volunteer your state as a buffer state instead of volunteering someone else's country?


    Why just Ukraine? Shouldn't the Baltics be buffer states too? Stalin thought that he "deserved" all of E. Europe including half of Germany. Who determines what Russia "deserves"?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Whereismyhandle

    , @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “The neocons pushed Putin into a corner.I’m all for the right to self rule, but you can’t ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.”

    Russia deserves no such thing. Listen, the Monroe Doctrine is an antiquated notion that Russia is desperately trying to apply to modern geo-politics. You forget that the people of Central America and the Caribbean in particular were livid about foreign intervention in their own affairs. Your position is hypocritical.

    “The US spit in Russia’s face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.”

    That is not up for Russia to unilaterally decide. Rather, a free people like the Ukrainians within their own borders have the liberty to decide for themselves who they will align with.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  118. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.
     
    I think a bigger aspect is the "cultural maturity" destruction wrought by the War. The German's have run around since then doing their apologias and trying not to be too "big". And having the Americans providing your security during the Cold War, not psychologically helpful either.

    Ultimately there is no alternative--certainly none that is psychologically healthy--than being responsible for yourself. True for individuals. True for nations.

    Basically, Germans need to stop being pansies about being German and looking after their own interests. Be German, and be proud of being German. Kick the African and muzzy invaders out. Don't let the "Nazi!" screamers bug you--kick them out as well. Then act like real Germans and build the nuclear industry necessary to run your economy. (It's carbon free!) Can cooperate with the French--and others--where mutually beneficial. But your economy--your responsibility.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I’ve lived in Germany and said those exact words to them. Let’s say that it go over well.

    They are a defeated people.

  119. How is Cuba “anti-White”?

    Batista is the only non-White President Cuba has ever had, and Castro (whose father was a Celt from Galicia, like Martin Sheen’s father) chased him out of the county. Che Guevara Lynch was part Irish.

    Does anyone think that Black people rule Cuba?

    Even Batista was more White than anything else.

  120. @Stolen Valor Detective

    As it happened, the Russian army was so demoralized in 1917 that it didn’t bother to fight against the Bolsheviks (perhaps testimony to Russian moodiness)
     
    A substantial fraction of the enlisted men of the Tsarist army actually joined the Bolsheviks. As Orlando Figes observed in A People's Tragedy, the Reds had lots of soldiers but few officers, and the Whites had lots of officers but few soldiers. (A notable exception on the communist side was Brusilov, the most distinguished Russian general in WW1.)

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, I saw that line about the “Russian Army not fighting the Bolsheviks” and had the same thought — By 1917, the Russian Army were the Bolsheviks! The soldiers had formed “soviets” in the field and were negotiating with their officers about when or where they would even consider fighting the Germans. Once the Czar abdicated and the Provisional Government was dissolved, there was no official authority left to fight for, or against.

  121. @TG
    Ah yes, Haber-Bosch. Kudos to someone who realizes just how critical that was.

    But, Haber-Bosch is not a magic trick. It does not allow unlimited production of food without resources. It makes heavy use of fossil fuels, and has now about hit its limit. We are at the point of diminishing returns, where even the astonishing increases in food production made possible by chemical fertilizers are starting to hit their limits. Meanwhile in places like India, they have completely wiped these gains out, and are now only having two children each because they just don't have enough food to have more. India's population growth is now tracking food production at a low level of subsistence, which is the historical state.

    Bottom line: the potential of Haber Bosch to usher in an era of plenty is nearing its end, thanks in large part to the rich forcing population growth upwards, and the lies of intellectual whores like Julian Simon and Milton Friedman.

    Look at the Ukraine-Russia conflict. What's globally important: the industrial productivity of the Ukrainians and Russians, or gas and wheat and water? It is the limiting factor that runs the show. It used to be dirt. Then it became industrial capital.

    Welcome to the new age of dirt.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    But, Haber-Bosch is not a magic trick. It does not allow unlimited production of food without resources.

    Steve invokes Haber-Bosch as if to prove there is no point in fighting over resources. But the process itself basically turns fossil fuels into food (through the medium of Nitrogen fertilizer). So it just means you have even more incentive to fight over access to fossil fuels (and/or the sea lanes to get the stuff). Japan went to war to avoid being starved of oil. Germany lost the war for lack of oil (and some other reasons).

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve invokes Haber-Bosch as if to prove there is no point in fighting over resources. But the process itself basically turns fossil fuels into food (through the medium of Nitrogen fertilizer).
     
    It specifically fixed nitrogen from the air into NH3 ammonia, using natural gas CH4 or synthesis gas CO + H2 to supply the hydrogens, and making pure CO2 as a side product which is used in the food industry for all sorts of things. As the U.K. discovered when CF Industries initially shut down both of its plants last year, one was paid to reopen for that.

    This calls for some data and math; how much natural gas is consumed for this vs. its other chemical feed stock and thermal uses, huge for electrical plants and small for homes? Per Wikipedia (see below) it's pretty small by comparison, and I note the crises last year start with the PRC and Xi's ban on the import of Australian coal, about the same time or a little later it got expensive in the US thanks to "Biden's" war on the fossil fuel industry plus LNG exports, and prohibitively expensive in Europe for making ammonia before the start of the special military operation.

    Wikipedia says it's "only" 3-5% of the world's natural gas supply and 1-2% of the world's energy supply. "As of 2018, the Haber process produces 230 million tonnes of anhydrous ammonia per year" so you can work this backwards if you want to double check. Note also Diesel fuel is a vital ingredient for the mechanization of farms.
  122. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white countries like Poland and white-adjacent countries like Japan, while cheering anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma.

    This is the grug take on Ukraine: “hurrr durrr, Ukraine side white, Russian side anti-white, hurrr durrr.”

    Never mind that Russia is also white; but where exactly do White interests lay here? On the side of pro-gay, pro-tranny, mass non-white immigration, Jewish mass media control, Jewish financial control (Black Rock, ESG scores, etc.), NATO/EU/USA, or on the side that is pushing back against this unipolar New World Order?

    It is in White interests to destroy the system that is slowly genociding them in their own homelands, and that system is represented by NATO/EU/USA. So called “anti-white” countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma(!) are not doing anything to harm whites (except in the case of China where our elites deliberately exported our industrial capacity to China).

    I mean, for the love of God, what has Burma done to harm Whites? Or any of those other countries for that matter: opposing the insane policies of NATO/EU/USA does not make those countries “anti-white”; pro-white is not defined as whatever is in the interests of NATO/EU/USA; quite the contrary! For Whites to identify with NATO/EU/USA is the very definition of false consciousness.

    A multipolar world is obviously in the interests of Russia, India, China, etc., and it is also in the interests of Whites even if they also have particular conflicts of interests as well with Russia, India and China; the problem is that Whites are so gaslit and suffering from false consciousness that they are still willing to support the system that is openly declaring its intention to racially replace them. And said system is willing to give them a temporary “racism card” against Russians, Indians, Chinese, etc., provided it serves system interests and does not serve White interests.

    The actual White position is pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine, regardless of what one might think of Putin or Russia or Ukraine generally. As a matter of cold hard realpolitik, Whites need the Western unipolar New World Order system to be broken up. Until that happens we have no hope of having any kind of freedom to overthrow the current system. Current system needs to be thoroughly discredited, and regardless of their intent, Russia, China, and India and others are helping to make this happen.

    Whites need to be smart enough to realize this and stop falling for these grug attempts to appeal to their racial feelings when Jews issue a temporary “racism card” against a particular group whom Jews need Whites to fight against (in the oughts it was Muslims; currently it is Russians and/or Chinese, depending on which side of the kosher sandwich you are on).

    Whites need to take their own side and stop falling for these proxy battles.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @meh


    So called “anti-white” countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma(!) are not doing anything to harm whites (except in the case of China where our elites deliberately exported our industrial capacity to China).
     
    The PRC isn't exactly working hard to prevent export of fentanyl or other extreme potent opioids, or now their precursors which we're told are then used to manufacture these drugs in Mexico.

    That's not like their internal responses to globohomo by tamping down expressions of it inside the country, or getting a lot more picky about the Hollywood movies that can be shown there. It's an attack on an entire population; does anyone know what's happening with these opioids outside of northern America?
  123. @Dutch Boy
    I suspect the average Russian doesn't consider the Ukraine war to be one of conquest but rather a border adjustment to re-integrate Russian areas that had been improperly granted to Ukraine in the 1990s (and also to protect the Russians therein from Ukrainian persecution). We should be convincing the Ukrainians to accept this adjustment rather than continuing a fight they cannot win. There is no going back to the old borders now. Further fighting is a waste of lives and resources and could get much, much worse if we continue this folly.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum

    Moreover, between 2015 and 2022 Ukraine had a chance to Federalize itself according to Minsk agreements, and keep its then borders at costs of stopping forced assimilation of is Russians and its attempts to ban Russian language native to over 70 percent of its populace.

    No, that was not possible, destruction of all things Russian was the first priority.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  124. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @AnotherDad

    The neocons pushed Putin into a corner. I'm all for the right to self rule, but you can't ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.

    The US spit in Russia's face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.

    In truth, Russia should have invaded Ukraine in 2014. That was Putin's big mistake.

    Regardless, this is a mucho bigger fight than just the Ukraine. The US won't stop until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, and they know what it will take to stop the neocons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.

    What state do you live in? Perhaps you could volunteer your state as a buffer state instead of volunteering someone else’s country?

    Why just Ukraine? Shouldn’t the Baltics be buffer states too? Stalin thought that he “deserved” all of E. Europe including half of Germany. Who determines what Russia “deserves”?

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    Hmm. You might have heard of a little thing called the Monroe Doctrine. The US literally claims the Western Hemisphere as its buffer zone.

    The scary thing about you, Jack, is that you're not lying to me and others. You actually believe what you say. You truly believe laughably crazy things - if you think it gives your tribe the smallest edge.

    That's both the greatest strength - and the greatest weakness - of you and your people.

    , @Whereismyhandle
    @Jack D

    Now that you mention it, Russia is rightly becoming annoyed with the pathetic Baltic statelets.

    Ukraine ends in its surrender or its complete destruction. NATOs choice. Maybe when they realize those are the only two options when you pick a fight with Russia on its border the Baltics will wake up and sober up. They're on the clock.

    Replies: @Jack D

  125. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    You have to keep an open mind about politics. Political groups don't have friends, they have interests, and some of the interests are bizarre.


    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason,
     
    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM's natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so. Much the same is true for most of Eastern Europe.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from.
     
    So, since Obama obviously runs the White House, why is he now supporting continuation of the Ukraine/Russia conflict? Answer: Consider the rest of the Biden Administration's policies:
    * Arrest of prominent Republicans and of people who did no more than participate in an assembly declared by a sitting President to protest what they saw as a great wrong.
    * Shutting down the fossil fuel industry and spending the capital to start it up in Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
    * Borrowing such large amounts of money for immediate consumption that it cannot be paid back and has caused price inflation in the 10% to 20% range.
    * Opening the US borders so wide that even NYC and Washington DC are complaining.
    etc.
    Obama represents a Black constituency, led by 2nd generation Black African immigrants with a rank and file of Blacks whose ancestors were Southern slaves in the 1800s. They are trying to "deconstruct" the United States, and are of the opinion that losing a very risky war in Europe will contribute to the deconstruction. I'd guess that having the Neocons on their side is irritating, but considered a net positive.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

    “since Obama obviously runs the White House”

    But only when ESPN isn’t on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve

    An effective executive in a large organization does not issue a constant stream of orders. In the world's armies, commanders of Division sized forces do not, generally, issue more than one order a day, and if the order is important, at most one a week. If they order their force to go to objective A on Monday, B on Tuesday, C on Wednesday, than by Friday the force will be disorganized and suitable only for defensive operation.

    Obama had simple objectives that were not often changed, were destructive, made money for his constituency, and required very little organization. This is characteristic of the Black coalition and one reason that it has been so effective in the US and in Africa.
    Obama is still doing the same thing, leaving the "running around defending against gaffes" business to the White House cubicle dwellers, and acting most of the time like a working dog keeping a herd together by nipping any wandering cattle.

    This is a sign that he is effective, not that he is an idiot.

  126. @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads.

    Where did Japan get the weapons grade fissionables to make these warheads?

    Not from their civilian nuclear reactors unless they managed to run lots of thirty day cycles of them without anyone noticing. Let plutonium breed for too long and you get too much of two isotopes that prevent using it in a weapon, the is the one used for heat in deep space missions, the other spontaneously fissions at too high a rate and is what forced us into using implosion devices instead of gun assembly in the Manhattan Project. Otherwise they’ve separated a lot of U-235 through mechanical means, again without anyone noticing.

    Another problem, and why it makes no sense to compare them and Germany on civilian nuclear power, is that they just don’t have a safety culture that’s compatible with anything nuclear, which was evident long before Fukushima.

  127. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.
     
    What state do you live in? Perhaps you could volunteer your state as a buffer state instead of volunteering someone else's country?


    Why just Ukraine? Shouldn't the Baltics be buffer states too? Stalin thought that he "deserved" all of E. Europe including half of Germany. Who determines what Russia "deserves"?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Whereismyhandle

    Hmm. You might have heard of a little thing called the Monroe Doctrine. The US literally claims the Western Hemisphere as its buffer zone.

    The scary thing about you, Jack, is that you’re not lying to me and others. You actually believe what you say. You truly believe laughably crazy things – if you think it gives your tribe the smallest edge.

    That’s both the greatest strength – and the greatest weakness – of you and your people.

  128. @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this. According to him this war is "all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again". I am calling him on his bullshit blood libel. Millions died because of libels like this and I refuse to allow them to go unchallenged. Feel free to ignore me.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this.

    No. The comment to which you were replying did not include the word “Jew” or “Jewish”. Stop lying.

    Perhaps you’re posting so furiously you got confused.

    Millions died because of libels like this

    More Jewish hysteria.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    Sure he wasn't talking about Jews, only about Israel. It's not like Israel is the Jewish state or anything like that. No one here ever connects Israel with Jews living in the US or other countries.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  129. @Hypnotoad666
    @Whereismyhandle

    The Minsk Accords were designed to buy time so the U.S. could arm the Ukrainians sufficiently to invade the Donbas and Crimea. If Hillary had won in 2016, they would have launched the war during her term. But that damn meddling Trump just wanted to avoid war and make deals! So the deep state smeared him as a Putin asset and then impeached him for interfering with Col. Vindman's "intra-agency consensus" plan for Ukraine. Oh yeah, and Biden and the rest of the Democrats and neocons were of course on the take from Ukraine (more accurately -- they were getting kickbacks from the U.S. taxpayer money sent there).

    The rot from the Ukraine war scheme has been poisoning U.S. politics big-time since 2014. It's not just an "over-there" issue.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    The rot from the Ukraine war scheme has been poisoning U.S. politics big-time since 2014.

    I suspect a lot earlier; a color revolution against the same pro-Russian politician ousted in 2014 was staged in 2004. I’d want to see when the Biden family and others in the Deep State started making money or laundering it through the Ukraine.

    I haven’t been reading Peter Schweizer’s latest books; some searching just now shows the Biden family being crooked before 2014 as should not surprise anyone, and Kazakhstan for example comes up in 2012. The Clinton crime family started getting money from the Ukraine when Hillary became Secretary of State in 2009.

    Oh, how optimistic we were that Obama had staged a masterstroke against this 2008 rival and had neutered them by appointing her to a position where she and Bill would be controlled and under scrutiny. Instead they made bank all over the world and he sort of looted the Democratic party and it didn’t have much choice but to pick Hillary for 2016 so there would be money for the campaign.

    There’s stuff to be found, “Biden” wasn’t the preferred 2020 candidate in 2019, Obama was trying to prevent that, so factions were digging up and publishing dirt on he and his family before whomever/whatever decided to make him the Official candidate.

  130. @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    Really? White v. anti-White? Where the “White” position is to support a gentile-on-gentile bloodbath for the sake of Jews? Seriously, Steve, you once had integrity. This is just desperate.

    Time to retire?

    • Agree: Gabe Ruth
  131. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white countries like Poland and white-adjacent countries like Japan, while cheering anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma.

    Wait – Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma are “anti-white” countries?

    Since when?

    Are any of them even half as “anti-white” as, say, Michelle Obama?

    Suggested answer: NO.

  132. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    All this blather about “neocon provocations” misses the point, even assuming it is true: Russia didn’t have to take the bait and invade Ukraine.
     
    Yeah, Yeah. The U.S. didn't "have to" declare independence from Britain, invade Mexico, or refuse to let the South secede. The Ukraine didn't "have to" insist on being a heavily armed U.S. puppet or controlling ethnic Russians who don't want to be ruled by corrupt nazis. They also didn't "have to" refuse to agree to minimal terms in December 2021, or to pull back their peace offer in March because their puppet masters said to. They also don't "have to" reject the next offer -- which will be to let the already-conquered Russian oblasts go. But they will.

    Everybody has freedom of choice. But if it's exercised stupidly for the interests of foreigners, then your country inevitably gets screwed by history.

    P.S., I'd love to see you and Jack D rallying the Ukrainian troops: "Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed, but if it takes long enough people in the U.S. can say Russia 'lost,' and that's the important thing!!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    Hypnotoad rallying the Continental Army at Valley Forge: “Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed by the mighty British Army, but if it takes long enough people in France can say England ‘lost,’ and that’s the important thing!!”

    Hypnotoad rallying the British public in 1941: “Take Heart, Brothers! You will get overrun and destroyed by the mighty German Army, etc.

    Putinists keep jumping to the last page of the book – the Ukrainians will be defeated, the US dollar will be dethroned, etc. Let us know when that actually happens because it hasn’t happened yet. You’re like the Lord Haw Haw of this war. It’s useless to struggle against the mighty Russian Army, #2 army in the world! #1 Stealer of Washing Machines! Surrender now! This sounded a lot more convincing on on Day 5 than it does on Day 150.

  133. HA says:
    @Anon
    @SFG


    I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”
     
    Interesting. But the deaths of 15k people the prior 8 years along with the U.S. arming the genocide against the [ethnic Russian] people of the Donbass didn’t stir you at all??

    https://twitter.com/DaddyPsyops/status/1550884998106222592?s=20&t=0BleR-dWlyNgXny-LEb0hQ

    Replies: @HA

    “the deaths of 15k people the prior 8 years along with the U.S. arming the genocide against the [ethnic Russian] people of the Donbass didn’t stir you at all??”

    You mean the deaths that happened after Russia swiped Crimea and set up its mafia statelets there?

    the number of cases of violation of the cease-fire regime grew at the beginning of 2021. However, the majority of them were made by Russian militants and NOT Ukrainian troops. The OSCE observations in Ukraine dated January – March 2021 stated 98% of all the cases of cease-fire violations were recorded on the territories beyond Ukrainian government control. It recorded more than 500 weapon units whose location violated agreed withdrawal lines. Approximatelly 95 % of them were in uncontrolled territories.

    Despite that lopsided violation count, according to Putin’s trolls, this is still all Ukraine’s fault, and what’s more, it’s justification for an outright invasion. Oh, sorry, I meant “special military operation”. Don’t be fooled. As noted in the first link above:

    When Putin manufactured the Donbass War he presented it as an Ukrainian inner conflict. Many in Russia bought it. Many in the West bought it. Many idiots even now talk about “Ukraine shelling civilians of Donbass for eight years”. Bad Ukrainians being bad: THAT [is what] caused the war.

    Nobody in Ukraine bought it. In Ukraine… it was seen as a Russian problem… its nightmare was purely Russian-made…

    • Thanks: Jack D
  134. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    Sure, if you view race as 100% socially constructed, then anyone can be non-white - Jew, Baltic Slavs, the Irish, whomever. Either they are non-white because the majority does not accept them as "white" (the bad old days) or because the minority itself perceives (or receives) benefits from separating themselves from the deplorable white category and wants to receive reverential capitalization like Blacks and Hispanics (the Current Year).

    However, if view white as a genetic category, it's kind of idiotic to say that people from the Caucasus are not Caucasian.

    Replies: @prosa123

    Race in the US is more of a social construct than a reflection of biology. We have Spanish-speaking people of 100% European ancestry legally classified as nonwhite, and for that matter all Spanish-speaking people regardless of physical appearance being the same race. And then there are people of 100% white appearance being legally classified as black because they’re 1/64th black. So indeed, it’s not surprising that Caucasian people aren’t Caucasian.

  135. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "a Russia-China security alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon"

    As the Western nations rot from within the BRICS alliance is assembling. But don't worry about Ukraine: the regions that won't fall into Russian possession will still resemble the Zionist enclave under NATO protection. It will become an exhibition of globohomo nation building: the QR code/Internet of Bodies (IoB) physiological digital surveillance/transhumanist/synthetic humans cornucopia. You might want to look into a vacation cottage in the fantasy Khazarian homeland. But you'll have to come pre-injected with the required jabs and boosters of witches brew to enter. Your body will be your passport.

    "it ain't here yet"

    The main objective of the BRICS is detaching itself from the ancient and corrupt money order of the West and establishing its own financial system. That's not going to happen overnight.

    Replies: @Jack D

    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don’t make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It’s almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    It’s almost as if they WANT the West to die.
     
    If "the West" means social & emotional learning, mandatory jabs & critical race theory training for all, forever - yeah, I want "the West" to die.

    I mean, fuck it.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don’t make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It’s almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.
     
    It's true the BRICS currencies are unlike to replace the dollar. But that's to the detriment of the US. The dollar's high value and status of reserve currency has been and will continue to facilitate its deindustrialization.

    Europe would obviously be better off aligning with BRICS than with the US. The existential threat to Europe comes from the US, and if it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can’t leave things alone. If things aren’t done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a “decolonised” deracinated consumer just like them. Europe’s challenge this century is to remove the US occupation or there won’t be another century of Western civilization.
  136. @Hypnotoad666
    @TG


    But, Haber-Bosch is not a magic trick. It does not allow unlimited production of food without resources.
     
    Steve invokes Haber-Bosch as if to prove there is no point in fighting over resources. But the process itself basically turns fossil fuels into food (through the medium of Nitrogen fertilizer). So it just means you have even more incentive to fight over access to fossil fuels (and/or the sea lanes to get the stuff). Japan went to war to avoid being starved of oil. Germany lost the war for lack of oil (and some other reasons).

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Steve invokes Haber-Bosch as if to prove there is no point in fighting over resources. But the process itself basically turns fossil fuels into food (through the medium of Nitrogen fertilizer).

    It specifically fixed nitrogen from the air into NH3 ammonia, using natural gas CH4 or synthesis gas CO + H2 to supply the hydrogens, and making pure CO2 as a side product which is used in the food industry for all sorts of things. As the U.K. discovered when CF Industries initially shut down both of its plants last year, one was paid to reopen for that.

    This calls for some data and math; how much natural gas is consumed for this vs. its other chemical feed stock and thermal uses, huge for electrical plants and small for homes? Per Wikipedia (see below) it’s pretty small by comparison, and I note the crises last year start with the PRC and Xi’s ban on the import of Australian coal, about the same time or a little later it got expensive in the US thanks to “Biden’s” war on the fossil fuel industry plus LNG exports, and prohibitively expensive in Europe for making ammonia before the start of the special military operation.

    Wikipedia says it’s “only” 3-5% of the world’s natural gas supply and 1-2% of the world’s energy supply. “As of 2018, the Haber process produces 230 million tonnes of anhydrous ammonia per year” so you can work this backwards if you want to double check. Note also Diesel fuel is a vital ingredient for the mechanization of farms.

  137. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Altai was the one who falsely brought the Jews into this.
     
    No. The comment to which you were replying did not include the word "Jew" or "Jewish". Stop lying.

    Perhaps you're posting so furiously you got confused.


    Millions died because of libels like this
     
    More Jewish hysteria.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sure he wasn’t talking about Jews, only about Israel. It’s not like Israel is the Jewish state or anything like that. No one here ever connects Israel with Jews living in the US or other countries.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Sure he wasn’t talking about Jews, only about Israel.
     
    The word "Israel" only came in at the end of an otherwise lengthy and measured post. But got it, criticism of Israel is beyond the pale because "millions died because of libels like this". "What's best for us Jews" is your guiding compass.

    Seeing your dozens and dozens of hysterical posts, it sure is difficult to understand why Jews get stereotyped as hysterical, tribal, and duplicitous.

    Replies: @Jack D, @William Badwhite

  138. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.
     
    What state do you live in? Perhaps you could volunteer your state as a buffer state instead of volunteering someone else's country?


    Why just Ukraine? Shouldn't the Baltics be buffer states too? Stalin thought that he "deserved" all of E. Europe including half of Germany. Who determines what Russia "deserves"?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Whereismyhandle

    Now that you mention it, Russia is rightly becoming annoyed with the pathetic Baltic statelets.

    Ukraine ends in its surrender or its complete destruction. NATOs choice. Maybe when they realize those are the only two options when you pick a fight with Russia on its border the Baltics will wake up and sober up. They’re on the clock.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Whereismyhandle

    Ooh, they are quaking in their boots. The Ruzzian Army is invincible! Surrender or die!

    I guess you have been living in a hole since early March because nothing about the Russian Army appears invincible at the moment. Even using their inferior Soviet equipment, the Ukrainians have done massive damage to the Russian Army. They would have no chance at all against NATO with its far superior weapons and air power. Not even Putin is crazy enough to try.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

  139. Anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma…

    Sorry to bang on about this, but, seriously, SS – in what way are any of these countries “anti-white?”

  140. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    You have to keep an open mind about politics. Political groups don't have friends, they have interests, and some of the interests are bizarre.


    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason,
     
    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM's natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so. Much the same is true for most of Eastern Europe.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from.
     
    So, since Obama obviously runs the White House, why is he now supporting continuation of the Ukraine/Russia conflict? Answer: Consider the rest of the Biden Administration's policies:
    * Arrest of prominent Republicans and of people who did no more than participate in an assembly declared by a sitting President to protest what they saw as a great wrong.
    * Shutting down the fossil fuel industry and spending the capital to start it up in Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
    * Borrowing such large amounts of money for immediate consumption that it cannot be paid back and has caused price inflation in the 10% to 20% range.
    * Opening the US borders so wide that even NYC and Washington DC are complaining.
    etc.
    Obama represents a Black constituency, led by 2nd generation Black African immigrants with a rank and file of Blacks whose ancestors were Southern slaves in the 1800s. They are trying to "deconstruct" the United States, and are of the opinion that losing a very risky war in Europe will contribute to the deconstruction. I'd guess that having the Neocons on their side is irritating, but considered a net positive.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM’s natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so.

    Mechanically, so far Germany has to do two things: stop the interdiction of things like Siemens turbines used to power the Nord Stream (1) pipeline, and sign long term contracts which the usual suspects hate compared to the spot market, and the Greens in the “traffic stop” coalition government hate because it locks the country into fossil fuel use for their duration (never mind how much is needed for industrial feed stocks, BASF has the world’s largest complex in the country).

    Russia, like the fossil fuel industry in the US wants this so it can continue to invest in further production, although I suspect now it’s not going to be very impressed by promises like contracts so something more probably will be required. And reversing the general embargo of Western widgets and services for fossil fuel production which is probably already crimping production requires action from more than Germany. Oh, I’ll bet Russia/Putin are still smarting from Reagan’s embargo on turbines for natural gas pipelines and leaking of incorrect plans for them to the Soviet Union, there’s a lot of history here.

    In the US our big pain point is the bottleneck of oil refining, only one new 200K barrels/day refinery built since 1977 although some have expanded, but they’re getting shut down all the time, 1 million barrels/day since the start of COVID and 3 million worldwide. Oh, and we were importing distillates from Russia especially into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic before we embargoed that. I point this out because of the parallel to Russia because our oil industry isn’t about to make serious new investments in the US due to our crazy ruling class. You can reach Peak Oil if you sufficiently attack and defund the industry, and that’s been happening beyond the US.

    But, hey, Germans are showering less so maybe conservation will allow them to pull through this winter….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @That Would Be Telling

    In those terms, the something else that the Russians would need to sign long term fossil fuel sale contracts with Germany would be a Germany independent of United States policy. That would eventually lead to the ejection of the United States as suzerain [1] of Europe, and the US would pull back to the oceans, relying on the AUKUS treaty organization.


    In the US our big pain point is the bottleneck of oil refining, only one new 200K barrels/day refinery built since 1977 although some have expanded, but they’re getting shut down all the time, 1 million barrels/day since the start of COVID and 3 million worldwide. Oh, and we were importing distillates from Russia especially into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic before we embargoed that. I point this out because of the parallel to Russia because our oil industry isn’t about to make serious new investments in the US due to our crazy ruling class. You can reach Peak Oil if you sufficiently attack and defund the industry, and that’s been happening beyond the US.
     
    The Obama/Biden administration is doing about the same thing that the Union of South Africa's government did after the ANC gained control: it is making very sure that it does not lose control again. This involves weakening their adversaries by shutting down their adversaries' economic base. From Obama's perspective (Obama heads the Democrats since his second term started) this is not insane at all: he considers only the good of his coalition, and means to keep power so that he can ensure this good (and good for himself, of course).

    Think of politics as war by other means. In war, one could criticize the destruction and loss of life, but the objective is not to build and preserve life, the object is to win. Ask Germany or the Carthaginians how losing worked out for them. Consider this, from the NAACP:

    “The ultimate logic of racism is genocide, and if one says that one is not good enough to have a job that is a solid quality job, if one is not good enough to have access to public accommodations, if one is not good enough to have the right to vote, if one is not good enough to live next door to him, if one is not good enough to marry his daughter because of his race. Then at that moment, that person is saying that that person who is not good to do all of this is not fit to exist or to live. And that is the ultimate logic of racism.”
    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. [1]
     
    The NAACP, a relatively moderate organization, apparently thinks that it is fighting a genocidal war through politics.

    In such a war, it makes sense to sacrifice an industrial base that you cannot keep running in order to defeat your own genocide ("defeat an existential threat", according to today's existentialists). From this standpoint, destroying Western Europe's industrial base also makes sense -- Europe is where all the genocidal racists came from.

    Back before the Jews were declared to be "White" for the purposes of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Jewish Coalition took a somewhat similar attitude towards the Anglo-Saxons, but moderated it a bit because the coalition's members wanted to continue living in an industrial society. If Obama's coalition's executive/skilled component is really staffed with 2nd generation African immigrants, than his coalition is likely to be implementing the same program that the Africans did after WW II eviscerated European economic and military capability.

    ******************************************************************
    1] https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Racism/RES_43_1/NGOsAndOthers/ubuntu-institute-for-community-development.pdf
  141. @Jack D
    @SunBakedSuburb

    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don't make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It's almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Anonymous

    It’s almost as if they WANT the West to die.

    If “the West” means social & emotional learning, mandatory jabs & critical race theory training for all, forever – yeah, I want “the West” to die.

    I mean, fuck it.

  142. @Almost Missouri

    Wars of territorial conquest were once the chief occupation of kings. But around the turn of the 20th Century, smart guys started to think that war didn’t pay anymore.
     
    This is a more or less accurate description of how Americans (and perhaps other Westerners) would feel about international relations if they ever thought about it, which mostly they don't.

    But like most usually unspoken American perceptions about the globe, it is not accurate.

    The inception of the post-World Wars stability was of course kicked off with the most epic border redrawing and ethnic cleansing of the last hundred years. So the whole principle rests on "the last big one settled by us was fine, but no more after this!", which is about as porous a foundation on which to rest a "principle" as they come.

    The Cold War brought about a number of border redrawings, usually under the rubric of "decolonization", which may be a good thing, but a principle isn't a principle if it is a tautology: "it's okay if we think it's good" .

    Since the the Cold War, the US participated militarily in territorial conquest in the Balkans, redrawing the map to better suit ... somebody or other. (It was never clear to me how that was supposed to be an improvement justifying the US attack.) The US endorses, funds and arms creeping Israeli expansion into the Palestinian territories, and possession of Syria's Golan Heights. In defiance of international law and UN recognition, the US supplies, trains and backs with implicit (or explicit depending on Biden's medication) use of force Taiwan as a breakaway province from China.

    And then, if knocking off another country's government and installing one you like better—something the US has done in spades—is perfectly fine so long as you leave the borders where they were because then it is not "territorial conquest", well, most of the world may consider that a distinction without a difference.

    Less overtly, the US and the West in general, have backed, endorsed, and/or countenanced multiple map redrawings over the past three decades: Eritrea, East Timor, Congo, Sudan, Azerbaijan, various Caucasian reconfigurations, India-China, and probably a bunch of others that elude my provincial gaze. None of those resulted in a US foreign policy establishment freakout, so whatever it is that causes the US foreign policy establishment to react, it ain't the "principle" of the thing.

    You can say, "there were people in those places who wanted new borders", and that may be true, but then that's always the case: one man's "territorial conquest" is another man's "self-determination of peoples", "self-determination" being another century-or-more-old principle of US (and Western) international relations.

    Incidentally, I personally don't necessarily oppose every "foreign intervention" or "territorial conquest" or "self-determination" (name as per taste), I just dislike doubletalk about it. Adults should be willing to talk honestly when they are making hard decisions about hard interests in hard circumstances.

    Replies: @Cato

    …the US supplies, trains and backs with implicit (or explicit depending on Biden’s medication) use of force Taiwan as a breakaway province from China.

    This would make a great movie: the staff encharged with medicating and prompting a senile president accidentally give him a day in which he is both lucid and bellicose, inciting war with China. How to wind him down, save the world, keep your job, earn the smiles of the hottie who lets her hair be sniffed…

  143. @Pixo
    @Almost Missouri

    “ fossil fuels, which by unfortunate coincidence were (and still are) also scarce in most of Europe”

    Coal isn’t rare in Europe. They just cut way back on mining and burning it since Russia gas was so much cheaper, and cleaner. And the average grade of coal in Europe is especially low and dirty.

    There are some promising possibilities for fracking in France especially. Probably won’t happen, but European natural gas prices are now completely crazy, at the point diesel generators at $105bbl oil and $50 crack spreads is cheaper than the wholesale cost of electricity.

    Overall I think Russia underestimates Western ingenuity when a lot of money is involved.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    Coal isn’t rare in Europe.

    Neither is food. It isn’t that coal (or food) is rare. It’s that they are both scarce relative to the need. Everyone needs to eat, but the acres of central Europe aren’t quite up to the task of feeding everyone who lives there. Coal (of indifferent quality) can be got from the ground, but every factory needs it for power, every home needs it for heat, the utilities need it for electricity, the chemical plants need it to make synfuel, … and now it turns out farmers need it to grow food.

    When your saving grace turns out to be something that is already massively overdemanded by everyone else, well, it’s not such a saving grace after all.

  144. @Anon
    @SFG

    Almost every white country on earth dislikes Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as you can easily see from the map. The only white country that supports Russia's invasion is Belarus.

    Yes it's also true that almost every white country on earth is allied with the United States to a degree, but even the more neutral ones like Switzerland have condemned the attack.

    Replies: @SFG, @PiltdownMan, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Sorel McRae, @Reg Cæsar

    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.

    Well, the proper English name for the country is White Russia, which for some strange reason we pigheadedly refuse to use. They take the second part more seriously these days, though, siding with Red Russia over Little Russia.

    Generally, we keep the English names for white places– Copenhagen, Munich, Turin, Athens– but go for the alien ones where the residents are nonwhite– where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays? Replaced with something unpronounceable, that’s where!

    We even make some places sound even more alien– Kabul (which is close to the North American pronunciation of “cobble”) and Qatar (likewise, “gutter”).

    Too many reporters weirdly Hispanicize “Helsinki”. Aren’t Finns white?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar


    where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays?
     
    Looks like Peking University didn't get the memo. Nor did the High Courts of Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta.

    https://i.imgur.com/9k2o71y.jpg?1

    https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2021-08/25/full/1629885317-7703.jpg

    https://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/index.php

    https://www.hcmadras.tn.nic.in/

    https://www.calcuttahighcourt.gov.in/

    Replies: @epebble

  145. @prosa123
    @PiltdownMan

    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country.

    It comes down to definitions of white, but Brazil might be ahead of Russia. Hard to say. Then again, Russia as well as Brazil has plenty of people who may or may not be white, such as Chechens and Tatars.
    One good thing about the US is that the One Drop Rule, the browning effects of Islam and the classification of all Hispanics as a separate race means that there is very little doubt about who is white and who isn't. Only a few people such as Israelis, Lebanese Christians, Armenians and Quapas can be hard to tell.

    Replies: @BB753, @PiltdownMan

    The common stereotype and impression of Russia in the West is that it is a white country. The common impression of Brazil is that it is not, and that is a mixed race society.

    Looking up the numbers, that’s basically right. Russia is mostly a bunch of white folks. Brazil isn’t.

    Back in 2010, there were about 111 million ethnic Russians in Russia, aside from other white ethnicities.

    There were about 91 million “Brancos” in Brazil, their category for white, which includes people who wouldn’t be considered white in America. Or Russia.

  146. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @SunBakedSuburb

    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don't make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It's almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Anonymous

    BRICS = Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. What a distinguished list. A weighted basket of rupees, reales and rands will surely replace the dollar. Don’t make me laugh. Not in the short term and not in the long term either. Nothing lasts forever but those who are pronouncing the death of the West are being a little bit premature. It’s almost as if they WANT the West to die. You may think that you WANT the globo-homo bus to drive off a cliff but remember you are riding on that bus too.

    It’s true the BRICS currencies are unlike to replace the dollar. But that’s to the detriment of the US. The dollar’s high value and status of reserve currency has been and will continue to facilitate its deindustrialization.

    Europe would obviously be better off aligning with BRICS than with the US. The existential threat to Europe comes from the US, and if it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can’t leave things alone. If things aren’t done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a “decolonised” deracinated consumer just like them. Europe’s challenge this century is to remove the US occupation or there won’t be another century of Western civilization.

  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Well, the proper English name for the country is White Russia, which for some strange reason we pigheadedly refuse to use. They take the second part more seriously these days, though, siding with Red Russia over Little Russia.

    Generally, we keep the English names for white places-- Copenhagen, Munich, Turin, Athens-- but go for the alien ones where the residents are nonwhite-- where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays? Replaced with something unpronounceable, that's where!

    We even make some places sound even more alien-- Kabul (which is close to the North American pronunciation of "cobble") and Qatar (likewise, "gutter").

    Too many reporters weirdly Hispanicize "Helsinki". Aren't Finns white?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays?

    Looks like Peking University didn’t get the memo. Nor did the High Courts of Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta.

    https://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/index.php

    https://www.hcmadras.tn.nic.in/

    https://www.calcuttahighcourt.gov.in/

    • Replies: @epebble
    @PiltdownMan

    But GE calls the city where they have their Global R & D, by the new name Bengaluru instead of the old name (Bangalore).

    https://www.ge.com/research/research-engine/rd-facilities/bengaluru

    That is where they develop their next gen babies like:

    https://www.ge.com/research/themes/custom/mission_unleash/timeline/img/industries/GE_industryGasTurbine.jpg

    Not in a workshop, but on large computers with thousands of processors running software written by hundreds of mathematicians.

  148. @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar


    where are Peking, Bombay, Burma, Ceylon nowadays?
     
    Looks like Peking University didn't get the memo. Nor did the High Courts of Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta.

    https://i.imgur.com/9k2o71y.jpg?1

    https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2021-08/25/full/1629885317-7703.jpg

    https://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/index.php

    https://www.hcmadras.tn.nic.in/

    https://www.calcuttahighcourt.gov.in/

    Replies: @epebble

    But GE calls the city where they have their Global R & D, by the new name Bengaluru instead of the old name (Bangalore).

    https://www.ge.com/research/research-engine/rd-facilities/bengaluru

    That is where they develop their next gen babies like:

    Not in a workshop, but on large computers with thousands of processors running software written by hundreds of mathematicians.

  149. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    The only white country that supports Russia’s invasion is Belarus.
     
    Aside from Russia itself, which happens to be the second most populous white country. It may be a point of pedantry, but not entirely so. Russia's size and population do matter.

    Also, shouldn't Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @anon, @prosa123, @Reg Cæsar

    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

    Coloring Russia anything would be a tautology. Imagine a map labeling countries more populous than Russia red and less populous blue. What color would Russia be? Is she more populous than herself, or less so?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar


    Coloring Russia anything would be a tautology
     
    I got that before I put up my comment. It really depends on what the title of the map is and what the allowed categories are. It's logically inconsistent at present to have "Government Responses to the War in Ukraine" and then classification on the basis of support for or opposition to Russia alone. "Supports Ukraine"/"Supports Russia" would have been better. Or else, the title should have been "Government Responses to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine."
  150. @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    Even I don't think that Putin wants to conquer all of Europe. His demands are much more modest. He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

    He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.

    Ludicrous. Russia isn’t going to invade Kazakhstan or the Baltics.

    The Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are all part of Greater Russia in ways that none of the other parts of the former USSR are. The Russian people originated with the Kiev Rus a thousand years ago. Sevastopol was founded as the home port of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the 18th Century. No sovereign Russian leader would let the Ukraine be turned into a NATO-aligned anti-Russia.

    The weird thing is that the inherent connection of the Ukraine and Russia isn’t some esoteric bit of history, but was common knowledge until several years ago. For example, here’s Neil Diamond in 2012 introducing his paean to immigration, “America”, by mentioning that his grandmother came from “Kiev, Russia”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    Well that settles it. If Neil Diamond says that Kiev is in Russia, it's in Russia.

    After the collapse of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, most of its territory came under Russian rule (except, ironically for western Ukraine where my mother is from which was ruled by Austria-Hungary so my mother's family had no history of Czarist rule, contra the Unz geniuses who keep saying that I am playing out some historic grudge against Russians). This included most of Ukraine and Poland and all of Lithuania. I have the passport of one of my wife's relatives who came from Lithuania around 1900 and the passport is in Russian and issued by Empire of Russia but that doesn't mean that they were FROM Russia. Russia was an empire so you could be ruled by Russia without being IN Russia.

    But a lot of people (Neil Diamond) are historically ignorant and all they have are some dimly remembered tales of Czarist officials and so their family is "from Russia". Many Ellis Island generation Jews have similarly dim understanding. A lot of American Jews, in keeping with the assimilationist view of the times and not wanting to dwell on unpleasant memories, put the "Old Country" (which was never their own country anyway) behind them and tried to forget about it as much as possible. They were Americans now.

  151. @Buffalo Joe
    I just finished reading "The Imperial Cruise" by James Bradley ("Flags of our Fathers") in which he describes in great detail how Teddy Roosevelt encouraged Japan to expand into Asia and conquer and control Korea and parts of China. Japan has a bloody histiry of conquest, but to their credit a royal ass kicking of Russia. Good read, well foot noted.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @JohnDoyle

    Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    “Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.“

    No, that was the U.S.

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    ??? Russia and Japan didn't not fight in ww 2. Japan (and Ukraine) can kick Russian arse.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  152. anonymous[470] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Altai

    You have to keep an open mind about politics. Political groups don't have friends, they have interests, and some of the interests are bizarre.


    This is what Westerners don’t get, the rest of the world aren’t hard-core Russian nationalists who welcome this, they don’t care about the Donbas or whether it is under Russian or Ukrainian control. They only see the US starting an insanely dangerous proxy war with Russia for essentially no reason,
     
    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM's natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so. Much the same is true for most of Eastern Europe.

    Obama for all his faults was also deeply hated by the neocons. Here is an interview he was forced to give with Jeffrey Goldberg. Goldberg is angry and wants to know why Obama isn’t picking a bigger pointless fight with Russia to punish it for intervening in Syria in East Ukraine. Obama explains that since East Ukraine doesn’t matter to the US or NATO that Russia would always win a war of escalation and always take things to a point the US would be forced to back down from.
     
    So, since Obama obviously runs the White House, why is he now supporting continuation of the Ukraine/Russia conflict? Answer: Consider the rest of the Biden Administration's policies:
    * Arrest of prominent Republicans and of people who did no more than participate in an assembly declared by a sitting President to protest what they saw as a great wrong.
    * Shutting down the fossil fuel industry and spending the capital to start it up in Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.
    * Borrowing such large amounts of money for immediate consumption that it cannot be paid back and has caused price inflation in the 10% to 20% range.
    * Opening the US borders so wide that even NYC and Washington DC are complaining.
    etc.
    Obama represents a Black constituency, led by 2nd generation Black African immigrants with a rank and file of Blacks whose ancestors were Southern slaves in the 1800s. They are trying to "deconstruct" the United States, and are of the opinion that losing a very risky war in Europe will contribute to the deconstruction. I'd guess that having the Neocons on their side is irritating, but considered a net positive.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

    Green Energy projects that have a negative net lifecycle energy production.

    Do you have any back up for this claim?

  153. @Jack D
    @Altai


    it has taught China exactly what to expect and how to insulate itself from any similar treatment by the West. An alternative to SWIFT will be made, an alternative everything will be made and with nowhere else to turn, Russia will join China in a security alliance, creating a foe that US hegemony cannot ever defeat. And all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again. All the Western ‘financial weapons’ are useless now.
     
    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain't here yet. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same "Unequal Treaties" that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit - the Chinese are "ants" and Russians are "grasshoppers".

    The brief Russian-Chinese alliance fell apart in the 1950s and (to the extent that it even exists now - Xi has given mostly lip service to Putin. Putin is getting drones from Iran and not from China. Commercial considerations are #1 for Chinese whose wealth doesn't come from the ground like Russia's and Chinese drone manufacturers are not going to endanger their business by breaking the sanctions regime) it will fall apart again .

    Even to the extent that this alliance is in fact real, it's quite obvious that Russia is going to be the junior partner (and the Chinese are not kind to junior partners any more than Russia is). Is the great savior of the white race Putin really doing Russians a favor by getting in bed with the Chinese?

    This was all completely unnecessary. Russia was doing just fine with the status quo. It was not in danger of being overrun by NATO or Ukraine or Zionists or anyone else. It didn't need this colonial war to "save itself". It didn't need to cast its lot with the Chinese. Russia has always had a fear of anchoring itself to Europe. Any time they get too close, they do something stupid on purpose in order to be pushed away. And then they can blame the West instead of themselves. It's sort of the Russian version of suicide by cop.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dmon, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Dave Pinsen

    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.

    Here’s what’s happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China’s holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia’s dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    Now, due to China’s huge trade surplus with the U.S., they’re going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America’s trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can’t take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn’t seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it’s made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.

    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer’s questions in bold):

    [MORE]

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus
     
    LOL. The Chinese don't think it is bogus and they are giving up Tibet and Xinjiang approximately never. Luttwak writes as if that settles it - the Chinese claims are bogus, now they'll go away. The nine-dash line is bogus too. If the Chinese want to use something, they don't care how bogus it is. It's like Putin - he thinks he can call Ukraine a bogus country and it will disappear. Not so fast.

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn't always match reality.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.
     

    You don't mention what that trade consists of - largely oil sold at a discounted price. Imports from Russia outweigh exports 3 to 1. Russia brings in some Indian pharmaceuticals but that is about the only world class export that the Indians have. Under the sanctions regime the Russians will probably buy more inferior Indian stuff in other categories that they can't get elsewhere but there's not that much that India has to offer.

    The Indian Army, for historic reasons (Pakistan was an American ally during the Cold War so India picked Russia) and because Russian stuff was more affordable, is largely equipped with Russian equipment. India generals must be holding their heads in their hands right now because they realize that their Russian equipment is highly vulnerable to current generation Western stuff. Here is a picture of a Russian S-300 installation near Kherson that is now a smoking ruin because it can't protect itself against HIMARS. That's $120 million worth of smoking ruin.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/25/11/60662875-11045909-image-m-22_1658744381056.jpg

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen


    It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     
    This is a bad analogy, since Chinese claims to Manchuria predate the Qing. Also the Qing adopted Chinese government, military, culture, and people, who formed the predominant element in the dynasty. How would China be analogous to Sri Lanka vis a vis India as a whole?

    This is like saying Russian territory is Scandinavian or German because of the Rurikid Vikings or Catherine the Great.
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dave Pinsen

    Muslim Salikhov, of Russian nationality and Kumyk (Turkic-Caucasian) ethnicity, use to dominate the Chinese MMA scene, which is far more impressive because he's competing with Chinese martial arts rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wushu_Championships#Sanda

    Salikhov who's now 38 past his prime, only just lost in UFC to Li Jingliang, who trains in BJJ not Chinese martial arts.

    In tank biathlons is closer match, usually Russia and China finishes 1-2, (but NATO and Japan/SK not represented)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6h2_Nw32pc

    Replies: @Jack D

  154. @prosa123
    @BB753

    Some Tatars look white, most don’t. But Chechens ARE white. Just google ( or duck duck go) Chechens! They look very similar to other people of the Caucasus, like Georgians.

    If Chechens were present in the United States in any significant number they wouldn't be considered white because of the browning effect of Islam. We consider Islam a nonwhite religion and would most likely include Chechens with Middle Easterners.
    Bosnians are a sort of exception; we have no choice but to consider them white because there's no logical alternative. True, although Portugal is a European country the substantial Portuguese community in Hawaii is nonwhite, that's an artifact of local culture.
    As for Georgians, I don't believe they're present in appreciable numbers, but if there were they'd most likely get the same treatment as Armenians: traditionally considered somewhat exotic whites, more recently becoming non-white as the Los Angeles Armenians already are.

    Before anyone says anything, yes I concede that US racial categories are pretty much unique in the world, what with the One Drop Rule and the treatment of Hispanics as a race.

    Replies: @Jack D, @BB753

    Well, Armenians are a bit exotic, but physically Georgians are not. Both people are Christian.

  155. In terms of Ukraine, the Russians could merely return the land to agriculture wherever possible and just parcel it out to loyal Russian speaking homesteaders.

  156. Not for the first time, non-westerners have noticed the low cult the West has built up around “iconic” images and “spin”.

    Russia reveals Western attempts to censor photo-ops
    There’s an “obsession” over those images in the US and EU, the Russian FM says

    Western countries have tried to bar Arab officials from photo opportunities with Russian counterparts, the Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said during a visit to Egypt on Sunday.

    Lavrov revealed that before heading to Cairo he was shown a document from the Arab League, which has its HQ in the Egyptian capital, speaking about “an initiative … by a group of ambassadors from the US, France, Germany, the UK and a representative of the EU.”

    “It demanded our Arab friends, firstly condemn, secondly, reject certain actions by Russia. And this initiative especially stressed that they shouldn’t sign any documents with us and take pictures with us,” the Russian FM pointed out after talks with his Egyptian colleague, Sameh Shoukry.

    He also recalled how German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock recently described a photo of Turkish Presidet Recep Tayyip Erdogan with his Russian and Iranian counterparts Vladimir Putin and Ebrahim Raisi as a “challenge.” Baerbock added that such an image was “incomprehensible” to her.

    “They have an obsession with those photos,” Lavrov said of the West. “This is not an issue from the sphere of diplomacy; it’s a different branch of studying the human nature,” he added.

    Later in the day, the Russian FM met with the Secretary General of the Arab League Ahmed Aboul Gheit, telling photographers: “Guys, I’ve heard you shouldn’t take pictures of me.”

    […]

    https://www.rt.com/news/559586-lavrov-photos-egypt-west/

  157. @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

    The message to every nation is clear:
    — Don’t rely on some paper.
    — Don’t rely on some amorphous vapory “international law”
    — Don’t rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Agree, but crossing the horizon of no return on this wasn’t Putin in Ukraine in 2022, but Obama in Libya in 2011, if not Bush in Iraq in 2003.

    Kim Jong-un understands.

  158. @meh

    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tended to outrage white countries like Poland and white-adjacent countries like Japan, while cheering anti-white countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma.
     
    This is the grug take on Ukraine: "hurrr durrr, Ukraine side white, Russian side anti-white, hurrr durrr."

    Never mind that Russia is also white; but where exactly do White interests lay here? On the side of pro-gay, pro-tranny, mass non-white immigration, Jewish mass media control, Jewish financial control (Black Rock, ESG scores, etc.), NATO/EU/USA, or on the side that is pushing back against this unipolar New World Order?

    It is in White interests to destroy the system that is slowly genociding them in their own homelands, and that system is represented by NATO/EU/USA. So called "anti-white" countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma(!) are not doing anything to harm whites (except in the case of China where our elites deliberately exported our industrial capacity to China).

    I mean, for the love of God, what has Burma done to harm Whites? Or any of those other countries for that matter: opposing the insane policies of NATO/EU/USA does not make those countries "anti-white"; pro-white is not defined as whatever is in the interests of NATO/EU/USA; quite the contrary! For Whites to identify with NATO/EU/USA is the very definition of false consciousness.

    A multipolar world is obviously in the interests of Russia, India, China, etc., and it is also in the interests of Whites even if they also have particular conflicts of interests as well with Russia, India and China; the problem is that Whites are so gaslit and suffering from false consciousness that they are still willing to support the system that is openly declaring its intention to racially replace them. And said system is willing to give them a temporary "racism card" against Russians, Indians, Chinese, etc., provided it serves system interests and does not serve White interests.

    The actual White position is pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine, regardless of what one might think of Putin or Russia or Ukraine generally. As a matter of cold hard realpolitik, Whites need the Western unipolar New World Order system to be broken up. Until that happens we have no hope of having any kind of freedom to overthrow the current system. Current system needs to be thoroughly discredited, and regardless of their intent, Russia, China, and India and others are helping to make this happen.

    Whites need to be smart enough to realize this and stop falling for these grug attempts to appeal to their racial feelings when Jews issue a temporary "racism card" against a particular group whom Jews need Whites to fight against (in the oughts it was Muslims; currently it is Russians and/or Chinese, depending on which side of the kosher sandwich you are on).

    Whites need to take their own side and stop falling for these proxy battles.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    So called “anti-white” countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, China, and Burma(!) are not doing anything to harm whites (except in the case of China where our elites deliberately exported our industrial capacity to China).

    The PRC isn’t exactly working hard to prevent export of fentanyl or other extreme potent opioids, or now their precursors which we’re told are then used to manufacture these drugs in Mexico.

    That’s not like their internal responses to globohomo by tamping down expressions of it inside the country, or getting a lot more picky about the Hollywood movies that can be shown there. It’s an attack on an entire population; does anyone know what’s happening with these opioids outside of northern America?

  159. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.
     
    Here's what's happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia's dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1549123066113957890?s=20&t=lL96Cg815SqDWiwqHa7J9A

    Now, due to China's huge trade surplus with the U.S., they're going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America's trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can't take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn't seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it's made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.
     
    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer's questions in bold):

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus

    LOL. The Chinese don’t think it is bogus and they are giving up Tibet and Xinjiang approximately never. Luttwak writes as if that settles it – the Chinese claims are bogus, now they’ll go away. The nine-dash line is bogus too. If the Chinese want to use something, they don’t care how bogus it is. It’s like Putin – he thinks he can call Ukraine a bogus country and it will disappear. Not so fast.

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn’t always match reality.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn’t always match reality.
     
    Russia's traditional advantage is numerical superiority. This was true against its Siberian opponents and it was true against its European rivals. Against China, that advantage vanishes. Russia prevailed against Oriental steppe nomads repeatedly. Then it ran into the oldest Oriental urban civilization and was stopped cold, despite superior firepower contributing to Russian victory. For the first time since the Russian rampage east of the Urals, the costs outweighed the benefits.

    Only the threat of lopsided nuclear annihilation keeps Siberia Russian. When China reaches nuclear parity, Russia will have to defend its territory exclusively by conventional means. At that point if China invades, Siberia is lost, unless Uncle Sugar lends a helping hand,
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War.
     
    Japanese are different people from the Chinese, Jack.

    Luttwak didn't mention the Russo-Japanese War (of 1904) for the same reason he didn't mention Khalkhin Gol (1938) or the Russian invasion of Manchuria (1945), in which Russia handed the Japanese their heads.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  160. @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan


    Also, shouldn’t Russia be colored bright red on that map, since Ukraine is colored dark blue?

     

    Coloring Russia anything would be a tautology. Imagine a map labeling countries more populous than Russia red and less populous blue. What color would Russia be? Is she more populous than herself, or less so?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Coloring Russia anything would be a tautology

    I got that before I put up my comment. It really depends on what the title of the map is and what the allowed categories are. It’s logically inconsistent at present to have “Government Responses to the War in Ukraine” and then classification on the basis of support for or opposition to Russia alone. “Supports Ukraine”/”Supports Russia” would have been better. Or else, the title should have been “Government Responses to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine.”

  161. People who want to get US foreign policy from the horse’s mouth should check out the video playlist the Aspen Security Forum just released: https://www.youtube.com/c/aspeninstitute/playlists . All our favourites are there.

    Putin said the Cheka was known as “the armed unit of the Party”. One could almost say the CIA is the armed unit of the Aspen Institute.

  162. @anonymous
    "for essentially no reason"

    Revenge for the mistreatment of grandparents. In the past 30 years, there has been a top diplomat of Jewish heritage, who has emerged in each administration as a leader among hawks promoting confrontational policies with Russia. They all had grandparents who lived during the late Russian Empire.

    Richard Holbrooke rallied to have NATO expand during the Clinton admin, Daniel Fried was the most assertive of all during the Bush admin in calling for backing Georgia during the war, and Victoria Nuland championed the Maidan revolution during the Obama admin.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @anonymous

    Yes, thems Russians had gravely mistreated the granparents by letting them run their country in 1920s-30s. Its like, Irish mistreated the Anglos by letting the later organize Famine or two.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    The USSR was not exactly run by Jews even before Stalin turned anti-Semitic late in life, but putting that aside, the ancestors of most of the Jews in America, like Neil Diamond's grandma from "Kiev, Russia" came before WWI and during the '20s and '30s said grandparents were living in Brooklyn and not the USSR and had nothing to do with starving people (and BTW the folks getting starved were Ukrainian and not Russian). Other than that, what you wrote was completely accurate.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  163. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus
     
    LOL. The Chinese don't think it is bogus and they are giving up Tibet and Xinjiang approximately never. Luttwak writes as if that settles it - the Chinese claims are bogus, now they'll go away. The nine-dash line is bogus too. If the Chinese want to use something, they don't care how bogus it is. It's like Putin - he thinks he can call Ukraine a bogus country and it will disappear. Not so fast.

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn't always match reality.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn’t always match reality.

    Russia’s traditional advantage is numerical superiority. This was true against its Siberian opponents and it was true against its European rivals. Against China, that advantage vanishes. Russia prevailed against Oriental steppe nomads repeatedly. Then it ran into the oldest Oriental urban civilization and was stopped cold, despite superior firepower contributing to Russian victory. For the first time since the Russian rampage east of the Urals, the costs outweighed the benefits.

    Only the threat of lopsided nuclear annihilation keeps Siberia Russian. When China reaches nuclear parity, Russia will have to defend its territory exclusively by conventional means. At that point if China invades, Siberia is lost, unless Uncle Sugar lends a helping hand,

  164. @anonymous
    "for essentially no reason"

    Revenge for the mistreatment of grandparents. In the past 30 years, there has been a top diplomat of Jewish heritage, who has emerged in each administration as a leader among hawks promoting confrontational policies with Russia. They all had grandparents who lived during the late Russian Empire.

    Richard Holbrooke rallied to have NATO expand during the Clinton admin, Daniel Fried was the most assertive of all during the Bush admin in calling for backing Georgia during the war, and Victoria Nuland championed the Maidan revolution during the Obama admin.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @anonymous

    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII. If the Jews or the Poles were going to pick sides based on what happened 70 or 100 years ago, they would pick the Russians, who really did liberate what remained of Ukrainian Jewry and Poland at the end of WWII while many Ukrainians took up with the Nazis. Putin himself does not appear to be anti-Semitic. (In fact he is very multi-cultural with all sorts of Asiatics in his administration, which makes him a strange hero for WNs)

    But none of this has anything to do with the current war. It’s just that Unzites have a Unified Field Theory that everything that happens must be caused by the secret hand of the Jew.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII.
     
    I know of both Poles and Jews who are cheering the Russians on precisely because of wartime hostilities. Others have moved past ethnic resentments to focus on the threat that a resurgent Russian empire poses.
    , @anonymous
    @Jack D

    Ukrainians will get their comeuppance later. That will be easy. First they must serve as the dumb muscle against Russia, a much bigger target.

    What motivated Richard Holbrooke, Daniel Fried and Victoria Nuland? Is it a coincidence that they all have such similar background?

  165. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.
     
    Here's what's happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia's dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1549123066113957890?s=20&t=lL96Cg815SqDWiwqHa7J9A

    Now, due to China's huge trade surplus with the U.S., they're going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America's trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can't take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn't seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it's made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.
     
    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer's questions in bold):

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    You don’t mention what that trade consists of – largely oil sold at a discounted price. Imports from Russia outweigh exports 3 to 1. Russia brings in some Indian pharmaceuticals but that is about the only world class export that the Indians have. Under the sanctions regime the Russians will probably buy more inferior Indian stuff in other categories that they can’t get elsewhere but there’s not that much that India has to offer.

    The Indian Army, for historic reasons (Pakistan was an American ally during the Cold War so India picked Russia) and because Russian stuff was more affordable, is largely equipped with Russian equipment. India generals must be holding their heads in their hands right now because they realize that their Russian equipment is highly vulnerable to current generation Western stuff. Here is a picture of a Russian S-300 installation near Kherson that is now a smoking ruin because it can’t protect itself against HIMARS. That’s \$120 million worth of smoking ruin.

  166. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    He just wants to restore the borders and zone of influence of the pre 1989 USSR or at least as much of it that he can get his hands on without starting a nuclear war.
     
    Ludicrous. Russia isn't going to invade Kazakhstan or the Baltics.

    The Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are all part of Greater Russia in ways that none of the other parts of the former USSR are. The Russian people originated with the Kiev Rus a thousand years ago. Sevastopol was founded as the home port of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in the 18th Century. No sovereign Russian leader would let the Ukraine be turned into a NATO-aligned anti-Russia.

    The weird thing is that the inherent connection of the Ukraine and Russia isn't some esoteric bit of history, but was common knowledge until several years ago. For example, here's Neil Diamond in 2012 introducing his paean to immigration, "America", by mentioning that his grandmother came from "Kiev, Russia".

    https://youtu.be/RrgCxSSwBto

    Replies: @Jack D

    Well that settles it. If Neil Diamond says that Kiev is in Russia, it’s in Russia.

    After the collapse of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, most of its territory came under Russian rule (except, ironically for western Ukraine where my mother is from which was ruled by Austria-Hungary so my mother’s family had no history of Czarist rule, contra the Unz geniuses who keep saying that I am playing out some historic grudge against Russians). This included most of Ukraine and Poland and all of Lithuania. I have the passport of one of my wife’s relatives who came from Lithuania around 1900 and the passport is in Russian and issued by Empire of Russia but that doesn’t mean that they were FROM Russia. Russia was an empire so you could be ruled by Russia without being IN Russia.

    But a lot of people (Neil Diamond) are historically ignorant and all they have are some dimly remembered tales of Czarist officials and so their family is “from Russia”. Many Ellis Island generation Jews have similarly dim understanding. A lot of American Jews, in keeping with the assimilationist view of the times and not wanting to dwell on unpleasant memories, put the “Old Country” (which was never their own country anyway) behind them and tried to forget about it as much as possible. They were Americans now.

  167. I copied their enemies list to a local drive so I can see for myself what these fine folks have to say:
    Ukraine Government issues blacklist of ‘Russian propagandists’
    The list includes a number of prominent Western intellectuals
    https://unherd.com/thepost/ukraine-government-issues-blacklist-of-russian-propagandists/

  168. It’s fascinating to watch new coalitions form on the fly and for former demons to become holy martyrs:

    What did the NYT think of European ultra-nationalists before all this? For that matter, what did they think of the defenders at the Alamo?

    “For things to remain the same, everything must change”* says the NYT editorial board. Well at least the Long Nineties are conclusively over and we’ve got the Blob flustered.

    * https://www.catholicdigest.com/entertainment/worth-watching/201702-03for-things-to-remain-the-same-everything-must-change/

  169. @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    Sure he wasn't talking about Jews, only about Israel. It's not like Israel is the Jewish state or anything like that. No one here ever connects Israel with Jews living in the US or other countries.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Sure he wasn’t talking about Jews, only about Israel.

    The word “Israel” only came in at the end of an otherwise lengthy and measured post. But got it, criticism of Israel is beyond the pale because “millions died because of libels like this”. “What’s best for us Jews” is your guiding compass.

    Seeing your dozens and dozens of hysterical posts, it sure is difficult to understand why Jews get stereotyped as hysterical, tribal, and duplicitous.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    I don't know whether you've ever had this experience: You meet some passing stranger - perhaps you strike up a conversation with the person sitting next to you on a train or plane (this used to be more common before everyone was buried in their phone screen). You have a wide ranging and rational conversation with that person and they seem fine, perhaps even very intelligent and you are enjoying your conversation with them. They are up on current affairs, they are knowledgeable about history. You may or may not entirely share their views but they are well within the mainstream.

    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth - they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That's what it's like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @William Badwhite
    @William Badwhite

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. If the occasional person has mildly anti-semitic views, perhaps it's because the Jews they meet behave as do you.


    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.
     
    Strawman (i.e. lying), gross exaggeration, and ad hominem. A very Jewish (and womanly) style of argument. You should post less and focus on self-improvement. Try to assimilate a little bit more.

    Hopefully my comment doesn't lead to "millions" dying because of this "blood libel".
  170. @Whereismyhandle
    Guess "Ukraine" (if that's what we're calling Zelensky and the CIA) shouldn't have been torturing and killing Russians because it looks like their attempt at an ethnic cleansing conquest of the Donbass from its own people isnt going to end well for them.

    Rules based order indeed. As you apparently didn't originally know but have since had time to find out it was Ukraine and the West that ignored and blew up the Minsk accords.

    In January 2022, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, said that "The fulfillment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s destruction. When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents."

    Actually, it wasn't impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Corvinus, @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    “Actually, it wasn’t impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!“

    First, Ukraine is a nation. Second, by what metrics is it “failing”? Third, the citizens of Ukraine on their own accord have sovereignty to make their own decision to align itself with whomever they please.

    Putin is an oligarch and a dictator. He ordered the invasion of Ukraine. Will his future successor continue in with this madness?

  171. @Dave Pinsen
    @Buffalo Joe

    Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    “Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.“

    No, that was the U.S.

  172. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @AnotherDad

    The neocons pushed Putin into a corner. I'm all for the right to self rule, but you can't ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.

    The US spit in Russia's face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.

    In truth, Russia should have invaded Ukraine in 2014. That was Putin's big mistake.

    Regardless, this is a mucho bigger fight than just the Ukraine. The US won't stop until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, and they know what it will take to stop the neocons.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    “The neocons pushed Putin into a corner.I’m all for the right to self rule, but you can’t ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.”

    Russia deserves no such thing. Listen, the Monroe Doctrine is an antiquated notion that Russia is desperately trying to apply to modern geo-politics. You forget that the people of Central America and the Caribbean in particular were livid about foreign intervention in their own affairs. Your position is hypocritical.

    “The US spit in Russia’s face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.”

    That is not up for Russia to unilaterally decide. Rather, a free people like the Ukrainians within their own borders have the liberty to decide for themselves who they will align with.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Corvinus

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1518811727806312448

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/04/28/u-s-turns-the-screws-on-solomon-islands-to-counter-china-00028449
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1519814275103043584

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

  173. @Nachum
    @International Jew

    I'm pretty sure Israel didn't lose any land the UN had marked as theirs, or barely did. Gush Etzion was to be entirely in the Arab state, and Jerusalem in a UN zone surrounded by same.

    Replies: @International Jew

    That’s correct, and may have some bearing on issues of right and wrong. But as a matter of whether that was a classic war of conquest, losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @International Jew


    losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

     

    Only if you win. Israel didn't lose the 1948 War (or else there would be no Israel) but they didn't exactly win either.

    Replies: @International Jew

  174. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Sure he wasn’t talking about Jews, only about Israel.
     
    The word "Israel" only came in at the end of an otherwise lengthy and measured post. But got it, criticism of Israel is beyond the pale because "millions died because of libels like this". "What's best for us Jews" is your guiding compass.

    Seeing your dozens and dozens of hysterical posts, it sure is difficult to understand why Jews get stereotyped as hysterical, tribal, and duplicitous.

    Replies: @Jack D, @William Badwhite

    I don’t know whether you’ve ever had this experience: You meet some passing stranger – perhaps you strike up a conversation with the person sitting next to you on a train or plane (this used to be more common before everyone was buried in their phone screen). You have a wide ranging and rational conversation with that person and they seem fine, perhaps even very intelligent and you are enjoying your conversation with them. They are up on current affairs, they are knowledgeable about history. You may or may not entirely share their views but they are well within the mainstream.

    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Jack D

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. If the occasional person has mildly anti-semitic views, perhaps it’s because the Jews they meet behave as do you.


    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.
     
    Strawman (i.e. lying), gross exaggeration, and ad hominem. A very Jewish (and womanly) style of argument. You should post less and focus on self-improvement. Try to assimilate a little bit more.

    Hopefully my comment doesn’t lead to “millions” dying because of this “blood libel”.

    Replies: @Jack D

  175. @International Jew
    @Nachum

    That's correct, and may have some bearing on issues of right and wrong. But as a matter of whether that was a classic war of conquest, losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

    Replies: @Jack D

    losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

    Only if you win. Israel didn’t lose the 1948 War (or else there would be no Israel) but they didn’t exactly win either.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Fine, but can we agree then that winning territory is atypical for the losing side in a war of conquest?

    Replies: @Jack D

  176. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Sure he wasn’t talking about Jews, only about Israel.
     
    The word "Israel" only came in at the end of an otherwise lengthy and measured post. But got it, criticism of Israel is beyond the pale because "millions died because of libels like this". "What's best for us Jews" is your guiding compass.

    Seeing your dozens and dozens of hysterical posts, it sure is difficult to understand why Jews get stereotyped as hysterical, tribal, and duplicitous.

    Replies: @Jack D, @William Badwhite

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. If the occasional person has mildly anti-semitic views, perhaps it’s because the Jews they meet behave as do you.

    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.

    Strawman (i.e. lying), gross exaggeration, and ad hominem. A very Jewish (and womanly) style of argument. You should post less and focus on self-improvement. Try to assimilate a little bit more.

    Hopefully my comment doesn’t lead to “millions” dying because of this “blood libel”.

  177. @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    I don't know whether you've ever had this experience: You meet some passing stranger - perhaps you strike up a conversation with the person sitting next to you on a train or plane (this used to be more common before everyone was buried in their phone screen). You have a wide ranging and rational conversation with that person and they seem fine, perhaps even very intelligent and you are enjoying your conversation with them. They are up on current affairs, they are knowledgeable about history. You may or may not entirely share their views but they are well within the mainstream.

    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth - they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That's what it's like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. If the occasional person has mildly anti-semitic views, perhaps it’s because the Jews they meet behave as do you.

    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.

    Strawman (i.e. lying), gross exaggeration, and ad hominem. A very Jewish (and womanly) style of argument. You should post less and focus on self-improvement. Try to assimilate a little bit more.

    Hopefully my comment doesn’t lead to “millions” dying because of this “blood libel”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    So saying that "neocons" (in other words Jews) provoked Putin into starting the Ukraine war " all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again" is only MILDLY anti-Semitic. After all, how bad is it to provoke a war in which many thousands of innocents will die? This is only a mild accusation.

    In that case, could you tell me what would be a STRONGLY anti-Semitic remark?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

  178. @AnotherDad
    @SFG

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn't have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The core message of Putin's war: Get nukes!

    Ukraine gave up the Soviet nukes on its territory for guarantees on a piece of paper. The neighborhood bully boy says "LOL".

    The Western signatories can toss the Ukrainians some weapons ... but they aren't going to fight for Ukraine and can't even if they wanted to because Russia is nuked up.

    The message to every nation is clear:
    -- Don't rely on some paper.
    -- Don't rely on some amorphous vapory "international law"
    -- Don't rely on America or the West

    Get nukes.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo

    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn’t have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.

    The Japanese are 90 days away from a functional nuclear deterrent and have been for many years.

    The day the American umbrella is withdrawn the top Jap man will pull the 90 day trigger.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Gordo

    The Japanese are 90 days away from a functional nuclear deterrent and have been for many years.

    I say:

    Nips got to get NUKES and the means to deliver them, and the antipodean booze hounds got to get some nuke deterrents too.

    Australians are perhaps more inclined to booze binges than Nips, but that don't make them bad people.

    Krauts must have NUKES too.

    Australia must have nukes and the means to deliver them and too bad Donald Pleasance croaked in 1995 or he could have run the nuke arsenal as long as he didn’t get as bombed as he was in that movie — Wake In Fright(Outback) — and then Australia goes back to the White Australia policy by imploding the real estate market and removing the foreigners and keeping the dug up stuff away from China but the Australian Ruling Class like the American Empire Ruling Class is in bed with the Chinese Communist Party and the Republican Party’s top politician whore in the US Senate has a Chinese Han wife with clear and very shady connections to the Chinese Communist Party.

    Find a sober Australian not as drunk as those people in Wake In fright(Outback) and let him be in control of the nukes.

    Japan and South Korea and Australia get nukes and the means to deliver them and the American Empire goes offshore regional balancer with a strong disinclination to get dragged into any more nonsense interventions like George W Bush’s Iraq War debacle.

    The USA must go White Core America and use citizenship revocations and the like to remove a hundred million or so foreigners and their spawn from the USA.

    Tweet from 2014:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/547489341925494785?s=20&t=9Dj1yKgejoHqETD811cV3Q

  179. The writing was on the wall the day Vladimir Putin asked to join NATO and George Robertson said no.

  180. @Jack D
    @anonymous

    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII. If the Jews or the Poles were going to pick sides based on what happened 70 or 100 years ago, they would pick the Russians, who really did liberate what remained of Ukrainian Jewry and Poland at the end of WWII while many Ukrainians took up with the Nazis. Putin himself does not appear to be anti-Semitic. (In fact he is very multi-cultural with all sorts of Asiatics in his administration, which makes him a strange hero for WNs)

    But none of this has anything to do with the current war. It's just that Unzites have a Unified Field Theory that everything that happens must be caused by the secret hand of the Jew.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anonymous

    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII.

    I know of both Poles and Jews who are cheering the Russians on precisely because of wartime hostilities. Others have moved past ethnic resentments to focus on the threat that a resurgent Russian empire poses.

  181. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. If the occasional person has mildly anti-semitic views, perhaps it’s because the Jews they meet behave as do you.


    But then something completely insane slips out of their mouth – they tell you that they were once abducted and probed by aliens or that the CIA is beaming messages into their head but they have had their hat lined with tinfoil, which, combined with megadoses of Vitamin C, is an effective countermeasure. That’s what it’s like dealing with some Unzites except their brand of paranoid schizophrenia is that the world is secretly controlled by Jews and/or Israel.
     
    Strawman (i.e. lying), gross exaggeration, and ad hominem. A very Jewish (and womanly) style of argument. You should post less and focus on self-improvement. Try to assimilate a little bit more.

    Hopefully my comment doesn’t lead to “millions” dying because of this “blood libel”.

    Replies: @Jack D

    So saying that “neocons” (in other words Jews) provoked Putin into starting the Ukraine war ” all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again” is only MILDLY anti-Semitic. After all, how bad is it to provoke a war in which many thousands of innocents will die? This is only a mild accusation.

    In that case, could you tell me what would be a STRONGLY anti-Semitic remark?

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    You're antisemitism schtick is so tiresome - and dated. Your magic word doesn't work around here any more. You might as well call us big meanies.

    The Ukraine affair is a Jewish operation top to bottom. You should be proud. It's unbelievable what Jews have achieved. With just ~2% of the population, your tribe runs the foreign policy (and most other things) of the world's super power. Well done.

    Of course, when a dumb goy brings that up, you deny it because, well, dumb goys have been believing laughable lies for decades so why not another one. Piss on our heads and tell us that it's raining. Why not? It's worked so many times before.

    Giraldi laid out how Ukraine is a Jewish project nicely, not that he needed to. It's completely obvious. It's just that Jews will lie to goys so boldly that the uninitiated will question reality. For those of us with a bit more experience, we know that it's just the tribe being the tribe.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/

    Look, I get it. You don't respect whites enough to be honest. Hell, you shouldn't respect whites. But you could at least respect the goys around here. The fact that you continue to lie to our faces is quite insulting - if not predictable. In truth, you're doing more to promote antisemitism than the most hateful white could ever dream of achieving. Well done.

    Replies: @Jack D

  182. The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire has been poking the Russian bear for well over a century.

    Only Baby Boomer boobs and scumbag rats in Swamp City DC and others benefiting from the Ukraine Loot Slush Fund give a rat’s arse about Ukraine.

    Get the Krauts a nuke and get the American Empire the phuck out of Europe!

    Young Germans in Germany will get nukes and they will kick the American Empire out of Germany and they will be gracious enough to have a beer-soaked celebration at Ramstein Air Force Base to mark the end of the American Empire’s occupation of Germany.

    Japan will get nukes, too, because it don’t make no sense that India and Pakistan have nukes but the Krauts and Nips don’t.

    It is the evil and treasonous and greedy slobs in the vile Baby Boomer generation that want everybody so interested and concerned about doings in Europe or Asia or EurAsia. The Baby Boomers must be financially liquidated and a 20 percent federal funds rate and Fed balance sheet fire sale will do that right quick.

    The WASP turds have always had a fever brain for Russia and the so-called “SLAV MENACE” and the WASP turds and some Jew named Jacob Schiff funded the Japanese military way over a hundred years ago to attack Russia. Later on Pearl Harbor got bombed all to Hell as a result of the WASP turds and the JEW dopes and their money-grubbing hatred of Russia and the WASP/JEW turd hatred for the so-called “SLAV MENACE.”

  183. Trump golfed with Abe the Nip politician. They were golfing pals.

    Japan should turn the screw and test a nuclear weapon for demonstration purposes. After Japan demonstrates to the world that they have a nuclear deterrent, the Japanese can then request that the American Empire leave their soil. The Japanese need to fully reclaim their national sovereignty.

    Trump says NATO must pay up or go DODO.

    Trump says if you poke the Russkie bear at the behest of the treasonous scumbag rats in the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire you should take the pain.

    JAPAN must get NUKES now!

    GERMANY must get NUKES now!

    ITALY must get NUKES now!

    AUSTRALIA must get NUKES now!

    Foster’s Lager and spaghetti and beer and saki and cherry blossoms in the air!

    ABOLISH NATO NOW!

    Politically Decapitate The Evil Ruling Class of the American Empire Now!

  184. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whereismyhandle
    Guess "Ukraine" (if that's what we're calling Zelensky and the CIA) shouldn't have been torturing and killing Russians because it looks like their attempt at an ethnic cleansing conquest of the Donbass from its own people isnt going to end well for them.

    Rules based order indeed. As you apparently didn't originally know but have since had time to find out it was Ukraine and the West that ignored and blew up the Minsk accords.

    In January 2022, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, said that "The fulfillment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s destruction. When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents."

    Actually, it wasn't impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Corvinus, @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    Fascist propaganda by one of Putin’s useful idiots

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Troll: SOL
  185. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Buffalo Joe

    Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    ??? Russia and Japan didn’t not fight in ww 2. Japan (and Ukraine) can kick Russian arse.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'm assuming, to be charitable, that you and Corvinus didn't notice the link in my comment before parading your ignorance. Maybe Ron Unz can consider making hyperlinks more noticeable.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  186. @Gordo
    @AnotherDad


    Japan should nuclearize. Build the rockets, arm them with its (existing but non-assembled) nuclear warheads. Doesn’t have to announce, just do it. South Korea too.
     
    The Japanese are 90 days away from a functional nuclear deterrent and have been for many years.

    The day the American umbrella is withdrawn the top Jap man will pull the 90 day trigger.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    The Japanese are 90 days away from a functional nuclear deterrent and have been for many years.

    I say:

    Nips got to get NUKES and the means to deliver them, and the antipodean booze hounds got to get some nuke deterrents too.

    Australians are perhaps more inclined to booze binges than Nips, but that don’t make them bad people.

    Krauts must have NUKES too.

    Australia must have nukes and the means to deliver them and too bad Donald Pleasance croaked in 1995 or he could have run the nuke arsenal as long as he didn’t get as bombed as he was in that movie — Wake In Fright(Outback) — and then Australia goes back to the White Australia policy by imploding the real estate market and removing the foreigners and keeping the dug up stuff away from China but the Australian Ruling Class like the American Empire Ruling Class is in bed with the Chinese Communist Party and the Republican Party’s top politician whore in the US Senate has a Chinese Han wife with clear and very shady connections to the Chinese Communist Party.

    Find a sober Australian not as drunk as those people in Wake In fright(Outback) and let him be in control of the nukes.

    Japan and South Korea and Australia get nukes and the means to deliver them and the American Empire goes offshore regional balancer with a strong disinclination to get dragged into any more nonsense interventions like George W Bush’s Iraq War debacle.

    The USA must go White Core America and use citizenship revocations and the like to remove a hundred million or so foreigners and their spawn from the USA.

    Tweet from 2014:

  187. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus
     
    LOL. The Chinese don't think it is bogus and they are giving up Tibet and Xinjiang approximately never. Luttwak writes as if that settles it - the Chinese claims are bogus, now they'll go away. The nine-dash line is bogus too. If the Chinese want to use something, they don't care how bogus it is. It's like Putin - he thinks he can call Ukraine a bogus country and it will disappear. Not so fast.

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War. Yes, the Russians see themselves as a martial race and the Chinese are a nation of shopkeepers (sound familiar?) but their view of themselves doesn't always match reality.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Dave Pinsen

    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War.

    Japanese are different people from the Chinese, Jack.

    Luttwak didn’t mention the Russo-Japanese War (of 1904) for the same reason he didn’t mention Khalkhin Gol (1938) or the Russian invasion of Manchuria (1945), in which Russia handed the Japanese their heads.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Dave Pinsen

    Khalkin Gol exposed the Japanese as a power not fit to fight a conventional land war with a well equipped European army.

  188. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    ??? Russia and Japan didn't not fight in ww 2. Japan (and Ukraine) can kick Russian arse.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’m assuming, to be charitable, that you and Corvinus didn’t notice the link in my comment before parading your ignorance. Maybe Ron Unz can consider making hyperlinks more noticeable.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    “Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.“

    You didn’t make an apples to apples comparison. Japan took out Russia in a WAR. Russia returned the favor in a BATTLE.

  189. @Whereismyhandle
    Guess "Ukraine" (if that's what we're calling Zelensky and the CIA) shouldn't have been torturing and killing Russians because it looks like their attempt at an ethnic cleansing conquest of the Donbass from its own people isnt going to end well for them.

    Rules based order indeed. As you apparently didn't originally know but have since had time to find out it was Ukraine and the West that ignored and blew up the Minsk accords.

    In January 2022, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, said that "The fulfillment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s destruction. When they were signed under the Russian gun barrel — and the German and the French watched — it was already clear for all rational people that it’s impossible to implement those documents."

    Actually, it wasn't impossible. They decided to see if they could lie through their teeth and conquer with terrorism and force. They were wrong. They are never, ever getting back Crimea or the Donbass and they are now simply a failed state. Heckuva job, US State department!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Corvinus, @Anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, and if this narrative were acknowledged, it would allow the international community to recognize the new status quo in Donbass while maintaining the general condemnation of wars of expansion.

  190. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.
     
    Here's what's happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia's dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1549123066113957890?s=20&t=lL96Cg815SqDWiwqHa7J9A

    Now, due to China's huge trade surplus with the U.S., they're going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America's trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can't take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn't seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it's made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.
     
    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer's questions in bold):

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.

    This is a bad analogy, since Chinese claims to Manchuria predate the Qing. Also the Qing adopted Chinese government, military, culture, and people, who formed the predominant element in the dynasty. How would China be analogous to Sri Lanka vis a vis India as a whole?

    This is like saying Russian territory is Scandinavian or German because of the Rurikid Vikings or Catherine the Great.

  191. @Thelma Ringbaum
    @anonymous

    Yes, thems Russians had gravely mistreated the granparents by letting them run their country in 1920s-30s. Its like, Irish mistreated the Anglos by letting the later organize Famine or two.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The USSR was not exactly run by Jews even before Stalin turned anti-Semitic late in life, but putting that aside, the ancestors of most of the Jews in America, like Neil Diamond’s grandma from “Kiev, Russia” came before WWI and during the ’20s and ’30s said grandparents were living in Brooklyn and not the USSR and had nothing to do with starving people (and BTW the folks getting starved were Ukrainian and not Russian). Other than that, what you wrote was completely accurate.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Jack D

    "(and BTW the folks getting starved were Ukrainian and not Russian)"

    That's not correct. The man-made famine in the Soviet Union happened in Russian and Khazakh regions as well:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933

  192. @Whereismyhandle
    @Jack D

    Now that you mention it, Russia is rightly becoming annoyed with the pathetic Baltic statelets.

    Ukraine ends in its surrender or its complete destruction. NATOs choice. Maybe when they realize those are the only two options when you pick a fight with Russia on its border the Baltics will wake up and sober up. They're on the clock.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Ooh, they are quaking in their boots. The Ruzzian Army is invincible! Surrender or die!

    I guess you have been living in a hole since early March because nothing about the Russian Army appears invincible at the moment. Even using their inferior Soviet equipment, the Ukrainians have done massive damage to the Russian Army. They would have no chance at all against NATO with its far superior weapons and air power. Not even Putin is crazy enough to try.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    The fact that you don't understand that Russia is defeating by far the biggest army in Europe (outside of Russia) is pretty funny. The Ukrainian army was ~500,000 to 700,000 in early 2022. It was trained by NATO.

    With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they're hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It's just a fact.

    American weapons have proven much less effective than expected. That's not to say that the US couldn't defeat the Russians in a war. We could. But with Russia possessing the world best air defense system, it'd be a tough fight, and not a fight that we nor the Russians would be willing to do - even if nukes didn't exist.

    What's more, the Chinese are learning a lot from this conflict. They're learning all they need to know about various American weapons systems and how to counter them.

    This whole affair has been a disaster for the US. It will reverberate for decades. The big change will be an all-out campaign to come up with an alternative to the dollar/treasury system. It'll take a long time - at least a decade or so - but it will come. And when it does, that's it. Game over. It's really all that we - well, really you - have.

    As the US goes, so goes your people. You guys screwed the pooch. You had it so good, but it wasn't enough. Such is history. The long, slow decline of the US will be your decline as well. "My fellow Chinese or Indians" won't work. You're stuck with us, but we're on the decline.

    Replies: @Jack D, @HA

  193. @Jack D
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    The USSR was not exactly run by Jews even before Stalin turned anti-Semitic late in life, but putting that aside, the ancestors of most of the Jews in America, like Neil Diamond's grandma from "Kiev, Russia" came before WWI and during the '20s and '30s said grandparents were living in Brooklyn and not the USSR and had nothing to do with starving people (and BTW the folks getting starved were Ukrainian and not Russian). Other than that, what you wrote was completely accurate.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    “(and BTW the folks getting starved were Ukrainian and not Russian)”

    That’s not correct. The man-made famine in the Soviet Union happened in Russian and Khazakh regions as well:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933

    • Agree: stari_momak
  194. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thea
    Japan and Russian have historic territory disputes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, that’s all it is.

    Similarly, Hungary has territorial quarrels with Ukraine, which accounts for its lack of sympathy with current Ukrainian difficulties.

  195. Been following you for years, decades. But I think you are wrong on this one Mr. Sailer, and in a fundamental way. This war had signalled the return of the real…things with mass, this that provide calories, things that provide BTUs. We got a premonition of it with the Covid pandemic, where the ‘largest economy in the world’ couldn’t produce face masks. We are getting more of it now. Russia may be a gas station, but it’s also a grainery and a giant, multiproduct mine. That’s why the ruble is not rubble, and the Russian Central Bank is slashing interest rates while ours are raising them.

    Of course, the smarter players in the West have always known that raw resources count enormously. Take the Bush family….they knew to get contracts which put them in control over a good chunk of Mexico’s oil. And yes, the modern West is smarter than just outright conquering territory for resources, we’ve been putting puppets in place to allow us ‘access’ to same since at least 1900. Thing is, there weren’t a whole heck of a lot of ethnic Anglo-Saxons in, say, Vera Cruz. There are in Donbas and Nova Rosiya.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @stari_momak

    Yes
    The Chinese know this as well hence their purchase of many acres of Midwestern real estate.

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'm assuming, to be charitable, that you and Corvinus didn't notice the link in my comment before parading your ignorance. Maybe Ron Unz can consider making hyperlinks more noticeable.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Japan gave Russia an ass-kicking in 1904, but Russia gave it back with interest in 1945.“

    You didn’t make an apples to apples comparison. Japan took out Russia in a WAR. Russia returned the favor in a BATTLE.

  197. @Jack D
    @William Badwhite

    So saying that "neocons" (in other words Jews) provoked Putin into starting the Ukraine war " all so Israel could play whack a mole in the Levant again" is only MILDLY anti-Semitic. After all, how bad is it to provoke a war in which many thousands of innocents will die? This is only a mild accusation.

    In that case, could you tell me what would be a STRONGLY anti-Semitic remark?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You’re antisemitism schtick is so tiresome – and dated. Your magic word doesn’t work around here any more. You might as well call us big meanies.

    The Ukraine affair is a Jewish operation top to bottom. You should be proud. It’s unbelievable what Jews have achieved. With just ~2% of the population, your tribe runs the foreign policy (and most other things) of the world’s super power. Well done.

    Of course, when a dumb goy brings that up, you deny it because, well, dumb goys have been believing laughable lies for decades so why not another one. Piss on our heads and tell us that it’s raining. Why not? It’s worked so many times before.

    Giraldi laid out how Ukraine is a Jewish project nicely, not that he needed to. It’s completely obvious. It’s just that Jews will lie to goys so boldly that the uninitiated will question reality. For those of us with a bit more experience, we know that it’s just the tribe being the tribe.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/

    Look, I get it. You don’t respect whites enough to be honest. Hell, you shouldn’t respect whites. But you could at least respect the goys around here. The fact that you continue to lie to our faces is quite insulting – if not predictable. In truth, you’re doing more to promote antisemitism than the most hateful white could ever dream of achieving. Well done.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Just for you, I read Giraldi's piece to see if there is something there. All it is is a bunch of handwaving. There are Jews in the State Dept. There are Jews in Ukraine. There are Jews under my bed. If that's your "proof" then it's laughable.

  198. @Jack D
    @Whereismyhandle

    Ooh, they are quaking in their boots. The Ruzzian Army is invincible! Surrender or die!

    I guess you have been living in a hole since early March because nothing about the Russian Army appears invincible at the moment. Even using their inferior Soviet equipment, the Ukrainians have done massive damage to the Russian Army. They would have no chance at all against NATO with its far superior weapons and air power. Not even Putin is crazy enough to try.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The fact that you don’t understand that Russia is defeating by far the biggest army in Europe (outside of Russia) is pretty funny. The Ukrainian army was ~500,000 to 700,000 in early 2022. It was trained by NATO.

    With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they’re hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It’s just a fact.

    American weapons have proven much less effective than expected. That’s not to say that the US couldn’t defeat the Russians in a war. We could. But with Russia possessing the world best air defense system, it’d be a tough fight, and not a fight that we nor the Russians would be willing to do – even if nukes didn’t exist.

    What’s more, the Chinese are learning a lot from this conflict. They’re learning all they need to know about various American weapons systems and how to counter them.

    This whole affair has been a disaster for the US. It will reverberate for decades. The big change will be an all-out campaign to come up with an alternative to the dollar/treasury system. It’ll take a long time – at least a decade or so – but it will come. And when it does, that’s it. Game over. It’s really all that we – well, really you – have.

    As the US goes, so goes your people. You guys screwed the pooch. You had it so good, but it wasn’t enough. Such is history. The long, slow decline of the US will be your decline as well. “My fellow Chinese or Indians” won’t work. You’re stuck with us, but we’re on the decline.

    • Agree: stari_momak
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You're entitled to your own opinions, as dumb as they are but you're not entitled to your own facts. If you live in a world where the little underdog Russian Army is beating the larger and better equipped Ukrainian NATO Army, you're not living in reality.

    Russian air defenses, BTW are worthless. The Ukrainians sank the Moskva, they chased the Russians off of Snake Island, they have been destroying S300 installations. If there was a war with NATO, the Russian air defense would be gone in the 1st 10 minutes.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @HA
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they’re hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It’s just a fact."

    Sure it is. It was all totally worth it. But surprisingly, in spite of yourself, you actually make a valid point, in that you clearly demonstrate why all the hand-wringing by Western appease-niks over how Russia must be allowed a face-saving exit from their debacle is sheer lunacy.

    As your little victory dance clearly demonstrates (and yeah, I'm sure it gives you no joy whatsoever, yeah, I totally believe that), the Russians can write their own idiotic "mission accomplished" face-saving exit at any point and time. No matter how crazy it is, the fanboys will lap it up and say "see? we always knew it would end like this". 'Twas but a scratch.

    And all Putin has to do to seal the deal is to execute a few scapegoats, and maybe the person who stops clapping first once his "victory" speech is finished. Ta-da! There's your face-saving exit.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D

  199. it would be nice to consider wars of conquest a thing of the past. I certainly lean that is no longer common practice. Even in Africa where they are still trying to unravel the manufactured nations are letting go of their ethnic issues for national identities, that has got to be tough.

    But there remain large countries that consider the “real politick” or as I like to call it raw power politics, civil order and rules based be darned, Russia could not handle not barking commands to other countries to suit her desires. So, I am not sure having failed in the west to abandon power self interest we have seen the end of wars of conquest. Israel is certainly a country struggling/chaffing under the expectation that the boundaries established matter.

    And unlike many, I don’t think we have seen the end of world wars. But this I know for certain, the US is utterly foolish to be held hostage to the threat of regional, global conventional or nuclear war.

    ————————

    And I make this observation, the US has ben at war with Mexico and others to our south. But that war is low level and takes the form of immigration, importation of drugs and the least recognized — economic and educational.

    What foreign educators are doing in the US academia and abetted by US intellectuals has nothing less than open intellectual warfare on all we are. One semester of spanish at Point Loma Nazarene University and another at a community college sent chills up my spine.

    We keep hand ringing about blacks when its immigration and the war on our ideals, principles and ethos that is killing us. And our failure to address and redress the economic disaster of 2007 — absolutely pushed our youth over the edge on the establishment. Occupy Wall Street did not go away. It just went mainstream progressive.

    All the hoopla about charter schools . . . who cares if five percent of the population isolate themselves and their ideas away from the other 95% who are more than happy to say good riddance. There is a war on and its violent and destructive.

  200. Japan’s Ministry of Defense: Wars of Conquest Are No Longer Allowed

    We’re closing in on 200 comments and no one has made Weihan Zhang “I am not allow” joke?

    Sour mood tonight.

    Don’t come at me with that “China and Japan are different people” stuff!

  201. anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @anonymous

    This theory is idiotic. Ukraine has an equal if not greater and more recent history of anti-Semitism. The Poles (if they wanted to) have a historic grudge against the Ukrainians for brutal ethnic cleansing of Poles that took place by Ukrainian nationalists in WWII. If the Jews or the Poles were going to pick sides based on what happened 70 or 100 years ago, they would pick the Russians, who really did liberate what remained of Ukrainian Jewry and Poland at the end of WWII while many Ukrainians took up with the Nazis. Putin himself does not appear to be anti-Semitic. (In fact he is very multi-cultural with all sorts of Asiatics in his administration, which makes him a strange hero for WNs)

    But none of this has anything to do with the current war. It's just that Unzites have a Unified Field Theory that everything that happens must be caused by the secret hand of the Jew.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anonymous

    Ukrainians will get their comeuppance later. That will be easy. First they must serve as the dumb muscle against Russia, a much bigger target.

    What motivated Richard Holbrooke, Daniel Fried and Victoria Nuland? Is it a coincidence that they all have such similar background?

  202. anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    "for essentially no reason"

    Revenge for the mistreatment of grandparents. In the past 30 years, there has been a top diplomat of Jewish heritage, who has emerged in each administration as a leader among hawks promoting confrontational policies with Russia. They all had grandparents who lived during the late Russian Empire.

    Richard Holbrooke rallied to have NATO expand during the Clinton admin, Daniel Fried was the most assertive of all during the Bush admin in calling for backing Georgia during the war, and Victoria Nuland championed the Maidan revolution during the Obama admin.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Jack D, @anonymous

    The wave of anti-Jewish pogroms that swept the Pale of Settlement after Tsar Nicholas II issued the October Manifesto in 1905 reflected the ethnic and political tensions and hostilities that characterized popular unrest and marred the social landscape of late Imperial Russia in that revolutionary year. In the weeks following the granting of fundamental civil rights and political liberties, pogroms directed mainly at Jews but also affecting students, intellectuals, and other national minorities broke out in hundreds of cities, towns, and villages, resulting in deaths and injuries to thousands of people.

    In the port city of Odessa alone, the police reported that at least 400 Jews and 100 non-Jews were killed and approximately 300 people, mostly Jews, were injured, with slightly over 1,600 Jewish houses, apartments, and stores incurring damage. These official figures undoubtedly underestimate the true extent of the damage, as other informed sources indicate substantially higher numbers of persons killed and injured.

    [skip]

    The lurid details of the pogrom can be found in several eyewitness and secondary accounts. Although the list of atrocities perpetrated against the Jews is too long to recount here, suffice it to say that pogromists brutally and indiscriminately beat, mutilated, and murdered defenseless Jewish men, women, and children. They hurled Jews out of windows, raped and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women, and slaughtered infants in front of their parents. In one particularly gruesome incident, pogromists hung a woman upside down by her legs and arranged the bodies of her six dead children on the floor below.

    Robert Weinberg, “The Pogrom of 1905 in Odessa: A Case Study” in Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History, John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, eds. (Cambridge,1992): 248-89

    Their grandparents had to live through pogroms. The grandchildren still have a burning desire to wreck revenage.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @anonymous

    The pogromists were mostly Greeks and Ukies though. The Russian population in Odessa didn't appear to be a partaker.

  203. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    If Russia’s aggression is tolerated, it may give the wrong impression that unilateral changes in the status quo are allowed in other regions, including Asia,”

    this is a handy way of modern day Japan, with a 2000 year history, of flushing its history of the turn of the 20th century, down the memory hole. Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia.
    Anyway, has anyone pointed out this disconnect?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia."

    How'd World War II work out for Japan anyway?

    It's almost as if the Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @jodie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  204. @Buffalo Joe
    I just finished reading "The Imperial Cruise" by James Bradley ("Flags of our Fathers") in which he describes in great detail how Teddy Roosevelt encouraged Japan to expand into Asia and conquer and control Korea and parts of China. Japan has a bloody histiry of conquest, but to their credit a royal ass kicking of Russia. Good read, well foot noted.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @JohnDoyle

    so the question that arises is what happened in a space of about 20 years, with before the advent of TR’s cousin?
    “Conquer and control” Korean and “parts” of China? More careful reading of Bradley’s book will show that TR said Korea and (North) China are within Japan’s “sphere of influence”.
    “Parts” of China: well, parts is parts.

  205. @anon

    If Russia’s aggression is tolerated, it may give the wrong impression that unilateral changes in the status quo are allowed in other regions, including Asia,”
     
    this is a handy way of modern day Japan, with a 2000 year history, of flushing its history of the turn of the 20th century, down the memory hole. Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia.
    Anyway, has anyone pointed out this disconnect?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia.”

    How’d World War II work out for Japan anyway?

    It’s almost as if the Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Steve Sailer

    Japan essentially liberated East Asian populations from white colonial power. What they may have learned from 1941 was that they should have attacked the USSR while the Wehrmacht was at the gates of Moscow and Leningrad instead of doing the Phillipinos and Malays any favors.

    , @jodie
    @Steve Sailer

    the lesson is to have many many friends before going to war.

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Steve Sailer


    Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945
     
    They learnt that Taiwan was to be returned to China (Republic of China)
    https://i.postimg.cc/ZR6q3z9b/Ando-Rikichi-surrender.jpg
    Chief Executive of Taiwan Province Chen Yi (right) accepting the receipt of Order No. 1 signed by Rikichi Andō (left), the last Japanese Governor-General of Taiwan, on behalf of the Republic of China Armed Forces at Taipei City Hall.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrocession_Day
    --

    The Chinese did not declare war on Japan (and vice versa) until December 9th, 1941,

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Chinese_declaration_of_war_against_Japan,_9_December_1941

    Before that from 1937 to 1941, the Japanese referred to the war in China as "The China Incident" (or "Special Military Operation")

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Names

    In fact their casus belli sounded quite familiar:

    1. "Global Struggle Against White Supremacy"-- the Chinese were "lackeys for whites"

    2. Denazification -- the Chinese had an informal alliance with Nazi Germany and had significantly rearmed

    3. Demilitarisation -- of northern China and Shanghai for protection Japanese émigré and business interest

    4. Guarantee recognition of a non-ethnic Han Chinese state -- Manchukuo

  206. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia."

    How'd World War II work out for Japan anyway?

    It's almost as if the Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @jodie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan essentially liberated East Asian populations from white colonial power. What they may have learned from 1941 was that they should have attacked the USSR while the Wehrmacht was at the gates of Moscow and Leningrad instead of doing the Phillipinos and Malays any favors.

  207. @anonymous
    @anonymous


    The wave of anti-Jewish pogroms that swept the Pale of Settlement after Tsar Nicholas II issued the October Manifesto in 1905 reflected the ethnic and political tensions and hostilities that characterized popular unrest and marred the social landscape of late Imperial Russia in that revolutionary year. In the weeks following the granting of fundamental civil rights and political liberties, pogroms directed mainly at Jews but also affecting students, intellectuals, and other national minorities broke out in hundreds of cities, towns, and villages, resulting in deaths and injuries to thousands of people.

    In the port city of Odessa alone, the police reported that at least 400 Jews and 100 non-Jews were killed and approximately 300 people, mostly Jews, were injured, with slightly over 1,600 Jewish houses, apartments, and stores incurring damage. These official figures undoubtedly underestimate the true extent of the damage, as other informed sources indicate substantially higher numbers of persons killed and injured.

    [skip]

    The lurid details of the pogrom can be found in several eyewitness and secondary accounts. Although the list of atrocities perpetrated against the Jews is too long to recount here, suffice it to say that pogromists brutally and indiscriminately beat, mutilated, and murdered defenseless Jewish men, women, and children. They hurled Jews out of windows, raped and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women, and slaughtered infants in front of their parents. In one particularly gruesome incident, pogromists hung a woman upside down by her legs and arranged the bodies of her six dead children on the floor below.

    Robert Weinberg, "The Pogrom of 1905 in Odessa: A Case Study" in Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History, John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, eds. (Cambridge,1992): 248-89

     

    Their grandparents had to live through pogroms. The grandchildren still have a burning desire to wreck revenage.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The pogromists were mostly Greeks and Ukies though. The Russian population in Odessa didn’t appear to be a partaker.

  208. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    When has Russian overconfidence when fighting against Asians ever gotten them into trouble? Luttwak neglects to mention the Russo-Japanese War.
     
    Japanese are different people from the Chinese, Jack.

    Luttwak didn't mention the Russo-Japanese War (of 1904) for the same reason he didn't mention Khalkhin Gol (1938) or the Russian invasion of Manchuria (1945), in which Russia handed the Japanese their heads.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Khalkin Gol exposed the Japanese as a power not fit to fight a conventional land war with a well equipped European army.

  209. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @Wilkey


    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.
     
    The Royal Navy and Marines self-consciously did their best to put their thumb on the scales by loading up everything they could and sallying out of harbor ASAP, rather unlike the legend of Drake finishing his game of lawn bowls after being informed of the approach of the Spanish Armada. They spent a lot of time at Ascension Island repacking supplies etc. correctly.

    I remember a quote that went something like "After departing like this, families and others waving good bye to Rule, Britannia! there's no way the politicians are going to be able to back down." It should go without saying the continued future prospects of both of these units of the U.K.'s military weren't great back then, even with the Cold War a thing. One of the two carriers was to be decommissioned that very year, and the Marines were not capable of doing an opposed amphibious landing.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Suez. Everybody was thinking about Suez in 1982. Eden’s great mistake was waiting so long before reacting.

    The longer you wait in a situation like this, the more comfortable the world becomes with the new status quo, the angrier they will be at you for trying to put things back.

    This is why the British government reacted so quickly to the Falklands invasion. Within days there was a fleet on the way. (Though with much chaos and disorganization as you point out.)

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  210. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Pixo

    Germany was idiotic to get rid of its nuclear plants before they had an alternative that was not Russian fossil fuels. The French did not make that mistake. Germans have always had this back to nature streak which is weird for an advanced industrial country.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    The Germans don’t do things by halves. Having decided that coal and nuclear were ‘bad’ they shut both down completely. No exceptions, no reservations.

  211. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia."

    How'd World War II work out for Japan anyway?

    It's almost as if the Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @jodie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    the lesson is to have many many friends before going to war.

  212. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    You're antisemitism schtick is so tiresome - and dated. Your magic word doesn't work around here any more. You might as well call us big meanies.

    The Ukraine affair is a Jewish operation top to bottom. You should be proud. It's unbelievable what Jews have achieved. With just ~2% of the population, your tribe runs the foreign policy (and most other things) of the world's super power. Well done.

    Of course, when a dumb goy brings that up, you deny it because, well, dumb goys have been believing laughable lies for decades so why not another one. Piss on our heads and tell us that it's raining. Why not? It's worked so many times before.

    Giraldi laid out how Ukraine is a Jewish project nicely, not that he needed to. It's completely obvious. It's just that Jews will lie to goys so boldly that the uninitiated will question reality. For those of us with a bit more experience, we know that it's just the tribe being the tribe.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/

    Look, I get it. You don't respect whites enough to be honest. Hell, you shouldn't respect whites. But you could at least respect the goys around here. The fact that you continue to lie to our faces is quite insulting - if not predictable. In truth, you're doing more to promote antisemitism than the most hateful white could ever dream of achieving. Well done.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Just for you, I read Giraldi’s piece to see if there is something there. All it is is a bunch of handwaving. There are Jews in the State Dept. There are Jews in Ukraine. There are Jews under my bed. If that’s your “proof” then it’s laughable.

  213. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    The fact that you don't understand that Russia is defeating by far the biggest army in Europe (outside of Russia) is pretty funny. The Ukrainian army was ~500,000 to 700,000 in early 2022. It was trained by NATO.

    With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they're hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It's just a fact.

    American weapons have proven much less effective than expected. That's not to say that the US couldn't defeat the Russians in a war. We could. But with Russia possessing the world best air defense system, it'd be a tough fight, and not a fight that we nor the Russians would be willing to do - even if nukes didn't exist.

    What's more, the Chinese are learning a lot from this conflict. They're learning all they need to know about various American weapons systems and how to counter them.

    This whole affair has been a disaster for the US. It will reverberate for decades. The big change will be an all-out campaign to come up with an alternative to the dollar/treasury system. It'll take a long time - at least a decade or so - but it will come. And when it does, that's it. Game over. It's really all that we - well, really you - have.

    As the US goes, so goes your people. You guys screwed the pooch. You had it so good, but it wasn't enough. Such is history. The long, slow decline of the US will be your decline as well. "My fellow Chinese or Indians" won't work. You're stuck with us, but we're on the decline.

    Replies: @Jack D, @HA

    You’re entitled to your own opinions, as dumb as they are but you’re not entitled to your own facts. If you live in a world where the little underdog Russian Army is beating the larger and better equipped Ukrainian NATO Army, you’re not living in reality.

    Russian air defenses, BTW are worthless. The Ukrainians sank the Moskva, they chased the Russians off of Snake Island, they have been destroying S300 installations. If there was a war with NATO, the Russian air defense would be gone in the 1st 10 minutes.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    What's so frightening about you is that you truly believe what you write. I'd be far less concerned if you were just lying to us.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    There won't be war between Russia and NATO, so not an issue, though I do agree that our superior technology would allow us to win. I just think that it would be tougher than you seem to think.

    As to Ukraine, it's stupid for us to go round and round about who's winning. We just need to sit back and watch. I'm not sure why you seem so confident, but, hey, we'll find out soon enough if your right. However, we can look at what has happened, and it's not good for neocon-run America.

    1. The Russians are very close to taking the Donbass.
    2. Germany and the rest of Europe are going into a recession due to the war, maybe a very nasty recession.
    3. Germany likely will lose Russia's cheap energy forever, which lower its standard of living and make its industries much less competitive.
    4. The move away from the dollar has been accelerated. Hard to say by how much, but there's no doubt that it has become the goal of China, Russia, India and many other countries.
    5. Inflation in US has been made worse, forcing the fed to be more aggressive, possibly causing a recession here.
    6. Russia and China are working much closer - though it's an unnatural friendship

    On the plus side for the Neocon America:

    1. The sanctions are hurting Russia's economy. The Russian people are paying a price for the war
    2. Europe is now more tied than ever to the US, but Europe is a dying continent. Its economy is terrible and it has no will to fight anyone. Still, this is definitely a win for the Neocons.

    All in all, the Ukraine affair has been a blunder for the neocons. We already had Europe in our pocket so that's not much of a victory.

    The biggest mistake was the seizing of Russian treasuries and trying to block them out of the dollar (SWIFT) system. The dollar is still king and will be for a long time. But the neocons just put a bulls-eye on its back. Stupid beyond measure.

    Replies: @Jack D

  214. @Jack D
    @International Jew


    losing territory is atypical of wars of conquest.

     

    Only if you win. Israel didn't lose the 1948 War (or else there would be no Israel) but they didn't exactly win either.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Fine, but can we agree then that winning territory is atypical for the losing side in a war of conquest?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @International Jew

    This is sort of a tautology. What if there is no clear "losing" side and the war is more or less a draw and there is a cease fire at the end and everyone keeps the territory that they are currently occupying? In that case, due to battle lines, each side might end up with a bit of the other side's territory? Sometimes, they later swap it back and sometimes they never agree and the cease fire line becomes the permanent border.

    For example, in the Korean War, the pre-war border was the 38th parallel but the post war border was a bit different, where N. and S. Korea both ended up with bits of territory on the other side of the parallel:

    https://i.redd.it/i1u79fi1syj71.jpg

    Replies: @International Jew

  215. HA says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    The fact that you don't understand that Russia is defeating by far the biggest army in Europe (outside of Russia) is pretty funny. The Ukrainian army was ~500,000 to 700,000 in early 2022. It was trained by NATO.

    With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they're hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It's just a fact.

    American weapons have proven much less effective than expected. That's not to say that the US couldn't defeat the Russians in a war. We could. But with Russia possessing the world best air defense system, it'd be a tough fight, and not a fight that we nor the Russians would be willing to do - even if nukes didn't exist.

    What's more, the Chinese are learning a lot from this conflict. They're learning all they need to know about various American weapons systems and how to counter them.

    This whole affair has been a disaster for the US. It will reverberate for decades. The big change will be an all-out campaign to come up with an alternative to the dollar/treasury system. It'll take a long time - at least a decade or so - but it will come. And when it does, that's it. Game over. It's really all that we - well, really you - have.

    As the US goes, so goes your people. You guys screwed the pooch. You had it so good, but it wasn't enough. Such is history. The long, slow decline of the US will be your decline as well. "My fellow Chinese or Indians" won't work. You're stuck with us, but we're on the decline.

    Replies: @Jack D, @HA

    “With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they’re hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It’s just a fact.”

    Sure it is. It was all totally worth it. But surprisingly, in spite of yourself, you actually make a valid point, in that you clearly demonstrate why all the hand-wringing by Western appease-niks over how Russia must be allowed a face-saving exit from their debacle is sheer lunacy.

    As your little victory dance clearly demonstrates (and yeah, I’m sure it gives you no joy whatsoever, yeah, I totally believe that), the Russians can write their own idiotic “mission accomplished” face-saving exit at any point and time. No matter how crazy it is, the fanboys will lap it up and say “see? we always knew it would end like this”. ‘Twas but a scratch.

    And all Putin has to do to seal the deal is to execute a few scapegoats, and maybe the person who stops clapping first once his “victory” speech is finished. Ta-da! There’s your face-saving exit.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @HA

    I hate that various white tribes are killing each other in a neocon-created war.

    The Russians will take the Donbass. That's a given at this point. Just a question of how many Ukrainians - and Russians - will be needlessly slaughtered.

    The problem for the Russians and Ukrainians is what comes next. The Russians want a neutral Ukraine. That's not going to happen. But Russia almost certainly can't take and hold all of the Ukraine.

    Russia may decide to take Odessa and all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper River, but that's a very tall task. We'll see.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    , @Jack D
    @HA

    Agree. Since Putin is in charge of the reality that is constructed for the Russian public and his fans, whatever exit he makes will be by definition be face saving. The original goals of the "special operation" were (intentionally) vague so the milestones can be equally vague. All he has to do is say that Ukraine has been sufficiently de-Nazified and declare victory. Only Putin knows in what way Ukraine is Nazi (while at the same time being ruled by Jews - make up your mind) and only Putin can say when it is no longer Nazi.

    However, so far it's not encouraging. Just yesterday Lavrov said that Zelensky must go. After losing the Battle of Kyiv, Russia made noises that all they wanted was the Donbass but now they seem to be upping their demands again.

    But OTOH, Lavrov is not really in charge of anything. Some analysts say that other Russian figures are positioning themselves to the right of Putin so that they will be in a good place after Putin goes - no rivals will be able to attack them from the right. So they all compete to be holier than the Pope, issue empty threats against the Baltics and Poland, talk about nuking London, etc.

  216. @HA
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they’re hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It’s just a fact."

    Sure it is. It was all totally worth it. But surprisingly, in spite of yourself, you actually make a valid point, in that you clearly demonstrate why all the hand-wringing by Western appease-niks over how Russia must be allowed a face-saving exit from their debacle is sheer lunacy.

    As your little victory dance clearly demonstrates (and yeah, I'm sure it gives you no joy whatsoever, yeah, I totally believe that), the Russians can write their own idiotic "mission accomplished" face-saving exit at any point and time. No matter how crazy it is, the fanboys will lap it up and say "see? we always knew it would end like this". 'Twas but a scratch.

    And all Putin has to do to seal the deal is to execute a few scapegoats, and maybe the person who stops clapping first once his "victory" speech is finished. Ta-da! There's your face-saving exit.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D

    I hate that various white tribes are killing each other in a neocon-created war.

    The Russians will take the Donbass. That’s a given at this point. Just a question of how many Ukrainians – and Russians – will be needlessly slaughtered.

    The problem for the Russians and Ukrainians is what comes next. The Russians want a neutral Ukraine. That’s not going to happen. But Russia almost certainly can’t take and hold all of the Ukraine.

    Russia may decide to take Odessa and all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper River, but that’s a very tall task. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Russians are currently west of the Dnieper at Kherson, which doesn't seem stable. If they stay west of the Dnieper after a ceaae fire, they'll head for Odessa in 5 or 10 years.

    So, the Ukrainians want to drive the Russians back east of the big river. We'll see if they can go on the offensive or not.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ukrainian neutrality won't work. Comparisons with Switzerland and Sweden break down the moment you look at a map: one is on top of a mountain and the other is on the edge of Europe.

    Ukraine is in the middle of the continent and is completely flat. (cf. Belgium). Its 'neutrality' won't last 5 minutes if war breaks out.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Again, Putin the dictator and oligarch is the driving force behind the war.

  217. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You're entitled to your own opinions, as dumb as they are but you're not entitled to your own facts. If you live in a world where the little underdog Russian Army is beating the larger and better equipped Ukrainian NATO Army, you're not living in reality.

    Russian air defenses, BTW are worthless. The Ukrainians sank the Moskva, they chased the Russians off of Snake Island, they have been destroying S300 installations. If there was a war with NATO, the Russian air defense would be gone in the 1st 10 minutes.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What’s so frightening about you is that you truly believe what you write. I’d be far less concerned if you were just lying to us.

  218. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Fine, but can we agree then that winning territory is atypical for the losing side in a war of conquest?

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is sort of a tautology. What if there is no clear “losing” side and the war is more or less a draw and there is a cease fire at the end and everyone keeps the territory that they are currently occupying? In that case, due to battle lines, each side might end up with a bit of the other side’s territory? Sometimes, they later swap it back and sometimes they never agree and the cease fire line becomes the permanent border.

    For example, in the Korean War, the pre-war border was the 38th parallel but the post war border was a bit different, where N. and S. Korea both ended up with bits of territory on the other side of the parallel:

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Then that's not a classic war of conquest. (You can call that a tautology, but I think of it as a definition most people can agree on.)
    It's a pitched two-way fight for survival.

  219. @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “The neocons pushed Putin into a corner.I’m all for the right to self rule, but you can’t ignore reality, and the reality is that Russia is a regional power that deserves a buffer state.”

    Russia deserves no such thing. Listen, the Monroe Doctrine is an antiquated notion that Russia is desperately trying to apply to modern geo-politics. You forget that the people of Central America and the Caribbean in particular were livid about foreign intervention in their own affairs. Your position is hypocritical.

    “The US spit in Russia’s face when Putin asked for a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO and the US blew him off. At that point, there was little choice.”

    That is not up for Russia to unilaterally decide. Rather, a free people like the Ukrainians within their own borders have the liberty to decide for themselves who they will align with.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/04/28/u-s-turns-the-screws-on-solomon-islands-to-counter-china-00028449

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    Any headline that contains the words "won't rule out" is by definition bullshit. It's just a gotcha game that reporters play. Amb. Kritenbrink does not command any troops and is not authorized to rule in or out any military action on behalf of the US government.

    Even if he was, it is in the interest of the United States to maintain strategic ambiguity. The US is not required to show its cards just because some dumb reporter tries to bait an official with a loaded question. If for example Biden was senile enough to agree that he "ruled out" the US defending Taiwan in the event it was attacked by China, this would make it MORE likely that China would attack Taiwan. Conversely, even if the US has no intention of actually defending Taiwan, it is in the US's interest to say that such a defense "can't be ruled out".

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Corvinus
    @MEH 0910

    So, Digital Harpo Marx, it seems you agree essentially that the Ukraine should be free to make their own internal decisions, much like the Solomon Islands. But let’s look at it from the citizen side there.

    For what reason are the Chinese investing in the Solomon Islands and trying to change hearts and minds?

    Douglas Marau, a former press secretary to Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare and now permanent secretary for the leader of the opposition Democratic Party, said many Solomon Islanders had taken issue with the secrecy surrounding the diplomatic switch and security deal, arguing the public should have been consulted.

    It’s a concern hearing from government that most of these things are free gifts,” he said.

    The MOUs are not made public … because in return for building stadiums, what do we offer to China?” Marau asked, referring to the memorandums of understanding signed by the countries. “[China] is doing everything on their terms.”

  220. @HA
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "With between 200k to 250k, Russia is defeating it. You normally need around a 3-to-1 advantage when attacking. Russian troops are outnumbered, and, yet, they’re hammering the Ukrainians. I take no joy in saying this. It’s just a fact."

    Sure it is. It was all totally worth it. But surprisingly, in spite of yourself, you actually make a valid point, in that you clearly demonstrate why all the hand-wringing by Western appease-niks over how Russia must be allowed a face-saving exit from their debacle is sheer lunacy.

    As your little victory dance clearly demonstrates (and yeah, I'm sure it gives you no joy whatsoever, yeah, I totally believe that), the Russians can write their own idiotic "mission accomplished" face-saving exit at any point and time. No matter how crazy it is, the fanboys will lap it up and say "see? we always knew it would end like this". 'Twas but a scratch.

    And all Putin has to do to seal the deal is to execute a few scapegoats, and maybe the person who stops clapping first once his "victory" speech is finished. Ta-da! There's your face-saving exit.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D

    Agree. Since Putin is in charge of the reality that is constructed for the Russian public and his fans, whatever exit he makes will be by definition be face saving. The original goals of the “special operation” were (intentionally) vague so the milestones can be equally vague. All he has to do is say that Ukraine has been sufficiently de-Nazified and declare victory. Only Putin knows in what way Ukraine is Nazi (while at the same time being ruled by Jews – make up your mind) and only Putin can say when it is no longer Nazi.

    However, so far it’s not encouraging. Just yesterday Lavrov said that Zelensky must go. After losing the Battle of Kyiv, Russia made noises that all they wanted was the Donbass but now they seem to be upping their demands again.

    But OTOH, Lavrov is not really in charge of anything. Some analysts say that other Russian figures are positioning themselves to the right of Putin so that they will be in a good place after Putin goes – no rivals will be able to attack them from the right. So they all compete to be holier than the Pope, issue empty threats against the Baltics and Poland, talk about nuking London, etc.

  221. @MEH 0910
    @Corvinus

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1518811727806312448

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/04/28/u-s-turns-the-screws-on-solomon-islands-to-counter-china-00028449
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1519814275103043584

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    Any headline that contains the words “won’t rule out” is by definition bullshit. It’s just a gotcha game that reporters play. Amb. Kritenbrink does not command any troops and is not authorized to rule in or out any military action on behalf of the US government.

    Even if he was, it is in the interest of the United States to maintain strategic ambiguity. The US is not required to show its cards just because some dumb reporter tries to bait an official with a loaded question. If for example Biden was senile enough to agree that he “ruled out” the US defending Taiwan in the event it was attacked by China, this would make it MORE likely that China would attack Taiwan. Conversely, even if the US has no intention of actually defending Taiwan, it is in the US’s interest to say that such a defense “can’t be ruled out”.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    Nancy Pelosi is getting the Chinese riled up.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/joe-biden-nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china/index.html
    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1552073843325521923

    Replies: @Jack D

  222. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You're entitled to your own opinions, as dumb as they are but you're not entitled to your own facts. If you live in a world where the little underdog Russian Army is beating the larger and better equipped Ukrainian NATO Army, you're not living in reality.

    Russian air defenses, BTW are worthless. The Ukrainians sank the Moskva, they chased the Russians off of Snake Island, they have been destroying S300 installations. If there was a war with NATO, the Russian air defense would be gone in the 1st 10 minutes.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There won’t be war between Russia and NATO, so not an issue, though I do agree that our superior technology would allow us to win. I just think that it would be tougher than you seem to think.

    As to Ukraine, it’s stupid for us to go round and round about who’s winning. We just need to sit back and watch. I’m not sure why you seem so confident, but, hey, we’ll find out soon enough if your right. However, we can look at what has happened, and it’s not good for neocon-run America.

    1. The Russians are very close to taking the Donbass.
    2. Germany and the rest of Europe are going into a recession due to the war, maybe a very nasty recession.
    3. Germany likely will lose Russia’s cheap energy forever, which lower its standard of living and make its industries much less competitive.
    4. The move away from the dollar has been accelerated. Hard to say by how much, but there’s no doubt that it has become the goal of China, Russia, India and many other countries.
    5. Inflation in US has been made worse, forcing the fed to be more aggressive, possibly causing a recession here.
    6. Russia and China are working much closer – though it’s an unnatural friendship

    On the plus side for the Neocon America:

    1. The sanctions are hurting Russia’s economy. The Russian people are paying a price for the war
    2. Europe is now more tied than ever to the US, but Europe is a dying continent. Its economy is terrible and it has no will to fight anyone. Still, this is definitely a win for the Neocons.

    All in all, the Ukraine affair has been a blunder for the neocons. We already had Europe in our pocket so that’s not much of a victory.

    The biggest mistake was the seizing of Russian treasuries and trying to block them out of the dollar (SWIFT) system. The dollar is still king and will be for a long time. But the neocons just put a bulls-eye on its back. Stupid beyond measure.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There's no doubt that this war has been lose-lose, which make you wonder why Putin started it? This is the Russian way - they figure that they can stand the pain longer than the other guy so that they will win by losing. This has worked for them in the past but I think that Russia overplayed its hand and it's not gonna work this time. The Russian losses have been bigger and more immediate than Putin was counting on. He thought it was going to be round 2 of 2014 - Ukrainians would fight poorly, Western sanctions would be token, etc. and it hasn't turned out that way at all.

    Germany was going to have to give up fossil fuels in the long run anyway. If they can emerge into the post-petroleum era ahead of everyone else, this will put them in good shape for the rest of the 21st century. They are already poised to beat Japan in the export market for electric cars.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

  223. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    This is sort of a tautology. What if there is no clear "losing" side and the war is more or less a draw and there is a cease fire at the end and everyone keeps the territory that they are currently occupying? In that case, due to battle lines, each side might end up with a bit of the other side's territory? Sometimes, they later swap it back and sometimes they never agree and the cease fire line becomes the permanent border.

    For example, in the Korean War, the pre-war border was the 38th parallel but the post war border was a bit different, where N. and S. Korea both ended up with bits of territory on the other side of the parallel:

    https://i.redd.it/i1u79fi1syj71.jpg

    Replies: @International Jew

    Then that’s not a classic war of conquest. (You can call that a tautology, but I think of it as a definition most people can agree on.)
    It’s a pitched two-way fight for survival.

  224. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @HA

    I hate that various white tribes are killing each other in a neocon-created war.

    The Russians will take the Donbass. That's a given at this point. Just a question of how many Ukrainians - and Russians - will be needlessly slaughtered.

    The problem for the Russians and Ukrainians is what comes next. The Russians want a neutral Ukraine. That's not going to happen. But Russia almost certainly can't take and hold all of the Ukraine.

    Russia may decide to take Odessa and all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper River, but that's a very tall task. We'll see.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    The Russians are currently west of the Dnieper at Kherson, which doesn’t seem stable. If they stay west of the Dnieper after a ceaae fire, they’ll head for Odessa in 5 or 10 years.

    So, the Ukrainians want to drive the Russians back east of the big river. We’ll see if they can go on the offensive or not.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, southern Ukraine is a bit more complicated for both sides. The Dnieper is a nice dividing line and, for the Russians, a nice natural defense barrier.

    Pretty sure that the Russian are hyper aware of this map.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

    They're also very aware that the more ethnically Ukrainian part of Ukraine in that northeast portion east of the Dnieper River isn't very populated.

    The West's grand plan is to bleed Russia white via a Ukrainian insurgency. But what if the Russians take the mostly Russian (or enough Russian) parts of Ukraine as shown on the map and the Ukrainian (but lightly populated) part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper.

    The odds of some big insurgency go down if you control territory that's heavily Russian anyway.

    The Russians would then control access to the Black Sea and the natural resources of the Donbass. They'd also have a river barrier between them and NATO. The southern portion of Ukraine that would become Russian are protected by mountains. Sure, the US would get the remaining part of Ukraine, which we'd arm to the teeth, but it'd be a basket case of a country, even poorer and more dysfunctional that it is now.

    That's not a bad deal for the Russians. Given the hatred that this invasion has created in Ukraine and America's future plans to rearm Ukraine, Russia can't stop with just the Donbass. It has to deal with an extremely hostile Ukraine that will be armed and trained by NATO. But Russia can't take the entire Ukraine. That leaves Russia with at the very least taking everything east of the Dnieper. Probably a good idea to take all of southern Ukraine as well.

    Nothing personal. Just business.

    Btw, for what it's worth, I think that Putin was stupid to invade Ukraine. Granted, it wasn't as stupid as the neocons refusing to promise that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed in NATO. My point is that I'm not some Putin fanboy.

    That said, I do believe that the Ukraine invasion is part of a larger push by Russia (and many other countries, including China) to go out from under the thumb of the US. As the Z-Man joked, the US won't quit until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, so do the Chinese. They're willing to fight hard to stop us from rolling them over like we did Europe.

    Ukraine is just one battle in a larger war.

  225. @stari_momak
    Been following you for years, decades. But I think you are wrong on this one Mr. Sailer, and in a fundamental way. This war had signalled the return of the real...things with mass, this that provide calories, things that provide BTUs. We got a premonition of it with the Covid pandemic, where the 'largest economy in the world' couldn't produce face masks. We are getting more of it now. Russia may be a gas station, but it's also a grainery and a giant, multiproduct mine. That's why the ruble is not rubble, and the Russian Central Bank is slashing interest rates while ours are raising them.

    Of course, the smarter players in the West have always known that raw resources count enormously. Take the Bush family....they knew to get contracts which put them in control over a good chunk of Mexico's oil. And yes, the modern West is smarter than just outright conquering territory for resources, we've been putting puppets in place to allow us 'access' to same since at least 1900. Thing is, there weren't a whole heck of a lot of ethnic Anglo-Saxons in, say, Vera Cruz. There are in Donbas and Nova Rosiya.

    Replies: @Thea

    Yes
    The Chinese know this as well hence their purchase of many acres of Midwestern real estate.

  226. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "Japan of course sought to change the status quo in Asia."

    How'd World War II work out for Japan anyway?

    It's almost as if the Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @jodie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japanese learned a lesson in August 1945

    They learnt that Taiwan was to be returned to China (Republic of China)Chief Executive of Taiwan Province Chen Yi (right) accepting the receipt of Order No. 1 signed by Rikichi Andō (left), the last Japanese Governor-General of Taiwan, on behalf of the Republic of China Armed Forces at Taipei City Hall.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrocession_Day

    The Chinese did not declare war on Japan (and vice versa) until December 9th, 1941,

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Chinese_declaration_of_war_against_Japan,_9_December_1941

    Before that from 1937 to 1941, the Japanese referred to the war in China as “The China Incident” (or “Special Military Operation”)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Names

    In fact their casus belli sounded quite familiar:

    1. “Global Struggle Against White Supremacy”– the Chinese were “lackeys for whites”

    2. Denazification — the Chinese had an informal alliance with Nazi Germany and had significantly rearmed

    3. Demilitarisation — of northern China and Shanghai for protection Japanese émigré and business interest

    4. Guarantee recognition of a non-ethnic Han Chinese state — Manchukuo

  227. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @HA

    I hate that various white tribes are killing each other in a neocon-created war.

    The Russians will take the Donbass. That's a given at this point. Just a question of how many Ukrainians - and Russians - will be needlessly slaughtered.

    The problem for the Russians and Ukrainians is what comes next. The Russians want a neutral Ukraine. That's not going to happen. But Russia almost certainly can't take and hold all of the Ukraine.

    Russia may decide to take Odessa and all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper River, but that's a very tall task. We'll see.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Ukrainian neutrality won’t work. Comparisons with Switzerland and Sweden break down the moment you look at a map: one is on top of a mountain and the other is on the edge of Europe.

    Ukraine is in the middle of the continent and is completely flat. (cf. Belgium). Its ‘neutrality’ won’t last 5 minutes if war breaks out.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous


    Ukrainian neutrality won’t work.
     
    That's my point.
  228. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @Anonymous


    The nuclear threat to Germany might is considerably less than the economic and stability threat to Germany this winter from GASPROM’s natural gas shutdown. Germany is now threatened more than Russia was threatened by NATO expansion. The only way for Germany to escape this trap is to abandon its alliance with the USA and enter into at least an understanding with the Russian Federation by November 2020 or so.
     
    Mechanically, so far Germany has to do two things: stop the interdiction of things like Siemens turbines used to power the Nord Stream (1) pipeline, and sign long term contracts which the usual suspects hate compared to the spot market, and the Greens in the "traffic stop" coalition government hate because it locks the country into fossil fuel use for their duration (never mind how much is needed for industrial feed stocks, BASF has the world's largest complex in the country).

    Russia, like the fossil fuel industry in the US wants this so it can continue to invest in further production, although I suspect now it's not going to be very impressed by promises like contracts so something more probably will be required. And reversing the general embargo of Western widgets and services for fossil fuel production which is probably already crimping production requires action from more than Germany. Oh, I'll bet Russia/Putin are still smarting from Reagan's embargo on turbines for natural gas pipelines and leaking of incorrect plans for them to the Soviet Union, there's a lot of history here.

    In the US our big pain point is the bottleneck of oil refining, only one new 200K barrels/day refinery built since 1977 although some have expanded, but they're getting shut down all the time, 1 million barrels/day since the start of COVID and 3 million worldwide. Oh, and we were importing distillates from Russia especially into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic before we embargoed that. I point this out because of the parallel to Russia because our oil industry isn't about to make serious new investments in the US due to our crazy ruling class. You can reach Peak Oil if you sufficiently attack and defund the industry, and that's been happening beyond the US.

    But, hey, Germans are showering less so maybe conservation will allow them to pull through this winter....

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In those terms, the something else that the Russians would need to sign long term fossil fuel sale contracts with Germany would be a Germany independent of United States policy. That would eventually lead to the ejection of the United States as suzerain [1] of Europe, and the US would pull back to the oceans, relying on the AUKUS treaty organization.

    In the US our big pain point is the bottleneck of oil refining, only one new 200K barrels/day refinery built since 1977 although some have expanded, but they’re getting shut down all the time, 1 million barrels/day since the start of COVID and 3 million worldwide. Oh, and we were importing distillates from Russia especially into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic before we embargoed that. I point this out because of the parallel to Russia because our oil industry isn’t about to make serious new investments in the US due to our crazy ruling class. You can reach Peak Oil if you sufficiently attack and defund the industry, and that’s been happening beyond the US.

    The Obama/Biden administration is doing about the same thing that the Union of South Africa’s government did after the ANC gained control: it is making very sure that it does not lose control again. This involves weakening their adversaries by shutting down their adversaries’ economic base. From Obama’s perspective (Obama heads the Democrats since his second term started) this is not insane at all: he considers only the good of his coalition, and means to keep power so that he can ensure this good (and good for himself, of course).

    Think of politics as war by other means. In war, one could criticize the destruction and loss of life, but the objective is not to build and preserve life, the object is to win. Ask Germany or the Carthaginians how losing worked out for them. Consider this, from the NAACP:

    “The ultimate logic of racism is genocide, and if one says that one is not good enough to have a job that is a solid quality job, if one is not good enough to have access to public accommodations, if one is not good enough to have the right to vote, if one is not good enough to live next door to him, if one is not good enough to marry his daughter because of his race. Then at that moment, that person is saying that that person who is not good to do all of this is not fit to exist or to live. And that is the ultimate logic of racism.”
    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. [1]

    The NAACP, a relatively moderate organization, apparently thinks that it is fighting a genocidal war through politics.

    In such a war, it makes sense to sacrifice an industrial base that you cannot keep running in order to defeat your own genocide (“defeat an existential threat”, according to today’s existentialists). From this standpoint, destroying Western Europe’s industrial base also makes sense — Europe is where all the genocidal racists came from.

    Back before the Jews were declared to be “White” for the purposes of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Jewish Coalition took a somewhat similar attitude towards the Anglo-Saxons, but moderated it a bit because the coalition’s members wanted to continue living in an industrial society. If Obama’s coalition’s executive/skilled component is really staffed with 2nd generation African immigrants, than his coalition is likely to be implementing the same program that the Africans did after WW II eviscerated European economic and military capability.

  229. @MEH 0910
    @Corvinus

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands
    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1518811727806312448

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/04/28/u-s-turns-the-screws-on-solomon-islands-to-counter-china-00028449
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1519814275103043584

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    So, Digital Harpo Marx, it seems you agree essentially that the Ukraine should be free to make their own internal decisions, much like the Solomon Islands. But let’s look at it from the citizen side there.

    For what reason are the Chinese investing in the Solomon Islands and trying to change hearts and minds?

    Douglas Marau, a former press secretary to Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare and now permanent secretary for the leader of the opposition Democratic Party, said many Solomon Islanders had taken issue with the secrecy surrounding the diplomatic switch and security deal, arguing the public should have been consulted.

    It’s a concern hearing from government that most of these things are free gifts,” he said.

    The MOUs are not made public … because in return for building stadiums, what do we offer to China?” Marau asked, referring to the memorandums of understanding signed by the countries. “[China] is doing everything on their terms.”

  230. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @HA

    I hate that various white tribes are killing each other in a neocon-created war.

    The Russians will take the Donbass. That's a given at this point. Just a question of how many Ukrainians - and Russians - will be needlessly slaughtered.

    The problem for the Russians and Ukrainians is what comes next. The Russians want a neutral Ukraine. That's not going to happen. But Russia almost certainly can't take and hold all of the Ukraine.

    Russia may decide to take Odessa and all of the Ukraine east of the Dnieper River, but that's a very tall task. We'll see.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Again, Putin the dictator and oligarch is the driving force behind the war.

  231. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D


    I think you are getting considerably ahead of reality. Maybe you are salivating about a Russia-China security and financial alliance that will dethrone the Jew-American hegemon and the dollar forever but it ain’t here yet. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.
     
    Here's what's happening now, as a result of the U.S.-led economic war against Russia:

    1) Russian trade with China, and India has spiked, and they are increasingly settling their trade in local currencies rather than dollars.

    2) Russia, Iran, and India have opened a north-south trade route from Russia to India via the Caspian, that will run beyond the reach of American sanctions or potential naval interference.

    3) China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries are at their lowest level in 12 years. They have seen what happened to Russia's dollar reserves and are transitioning to stockpiling commodities instead.

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1549123066113957890?s=20&t=lL96Cg815SqDWiwqHa7J9A

    Now, due to China's huge trade surplus with the U.S., they're going to be stuck holding some Treasuries for a while. But this gets to the question what ultimately gives the dollar value. The answer is the attractiveness of things you can buy in the U.S. with dollars.

    Since we have large trade deficits with countries like China, their dollar surpluses need to go into dollar-denominated assets, the most liquid of which being U.S. Treasuries. But if your U.S. financial instruments can be arbitrarily frozen or confiscated if you run afoul of the current U.S. government, demand for them will ultimately decline.

    The way to support the value of the dollar then would be to balance America's trade: If you can sell your widgets to America and buy different American widgets with your dollars, once those widgets are on your soil, the American government can't take them from you. Balancing trade would be a good thing for the American people ultimately, but the current administration doesn't seem to have any intent to do so. In fact, it's made moves in the opposite direction, such as resisting the production of more American energy while begging the Saudis to pump more oil.

    China and Russia are not natural allies. The Russian Far East exists (in the Chinese view) because of same “Unequal Treaties” that took Hong Kong and Macau away from China and someday they are surely going to want it back. TBH, the Russians are underutilizing it. If you look at the Google Maps satellite view of the Amur River border, on the Chinese side there are well cultivated farm fields right up to the river banks and on the Russia side it is trackless wilderness. Personality wise, they are not a good fit – the Chinese are “ants” and Russians are “grasshoppers”.
     
    Edward Luttwak pissed all over this idea in a recent Tablet interview (interviewer's questions in bold):

    I have to tell you that the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians. The Russians were extremely confident that the Chinese could always outwit them in business and become rich and all that. But wait till they have to fight, only Russia can do it.

    Because of the presidential conferences that Putin invited me to, once he became president of Russia, I also went to Vladivostok. Once, when I had a few extra days, I went along the border, down to the Amur river. I noticed that all along the border, the Russians were all behaving very much like the masters of the situation. Even though the Chinese towns across were much more built-up, more modern, richer looking. Still, the Chinese were very respectful of the Russians

    Russian man big, Chinese man small-boned.

    That’s right. So I don’t think there was that master-poodle relationship.

    No, I don’t mean master-poodle. But the Chinese economy is obviously a lot more sophisticated and powerful, and the Russians have brute force that they could bring—so that’s the match.

    The Russians have never confronted anybody who wasn’t richer than them and more advanced than them. The French and Napoleon were more advanced than the Russians. The Germans were more advanced.

    There’s been a Russian-Chinese foreign policy condominium for the last decade—let me finish, and then you can tell me why I’m wrong. In Syria, when you look at the Russian deployment there, there was always a Chinese warship that would be tagging along with the four Russian warships. Then if you look at Mongolia, the population is 20-to-1 Chinese, and the Russians had to give the Chinese a 50% interest in all the mining interests there. So Russians were more aggressive, they were actually going to fight in Syria and other places, or sending in the Wagner Group, but in the end, they are more like paid mercenaries than a global empire. The world they fought for was going to be inherited by the Chinese, not by Russia.

    That’s what the Chinese would believe, yes, but the Russians didn’t think that. Actually, if you went to Moscow, people would tell you, “Oh my God, Siberia is being lost to China, there are all these Chinese.” When you leave Moscow and you go to Khabarovsk, which is on the border, they’d say, “What a joke, the number of Chinese here is no greater than it was 20 years ago. And we can crush them.”

    In Vladivostok, there is a wonderful female scholar at the Navy University, this is the university run by the Russian Navy. She wrote an article about Chinese border policy and about active claims and dormant claims. In that article, she says that the Chinese are advancing many territorial claims against the Japanese, for the Senkakus, against the Philippines, against the Indonesians for the Natuna offshore, and for almost the whole of Arunachal state in India and part of Ladakh. Then she said, “And then there are the dormant claims that will be activated when the Chinese feel strong enough to do so.” Two of them, the most important, are the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Beijing Convention of 1860, involving the transfer of the maritime provinces to Russia.

    Now, the official translation of Vladivostok into Chinese is a straight transliteration, Fúlādíwòsītuōkè, that is Vladivostok in Chinese characters. But unofficially, they use Haishenwai, which is not of course Chinese, it’s Manchurian, because the whole Chinese claim to Manchuria, Tibet, and Xinjiang is bogus because they were all under Manchu rule when the Chinese themselves were under the rule of the Manchu. It’s like Sri Lanka claiming to rule India because both were ruled by the British, and this false claim is the basis of everything there.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Muslim Salikhov, of Russian nationality and Kumyk (Turkic-Caucasian) ethnicity, use to dominate the Chinese MMA scene, which is far more impressive because he’s competing with Chinese martial arts rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wushu_Championships#Sanda

    Salikhov who’s now 38 past his prime, only just lost in UFC to Li Jingliang, who trains in BJJ not Chinese martial arts.

    In tank biathlons is closer match, usually Russia and China finishes 1-2, (but NATO and Japan/SK not represented)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Tank biathlons are great but they have nothing to do with actual warfare. So far in Ukraine, the only thing that Russian tanks have been winning is the turret tossing competition:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiybJ8UuHXA

    250 feet! Impressive!

  232. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Dave Pinsen

    Muslim Salikhov, of Russian nationality and Kumyk (Turkic-Caucasian) ethnicity, use to dominate the Chinese MMA scene, which is far more impressive because he's competing with Chinese martial arts rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wushu_Championships#Sanda

    Salikhov who's now 38 past his prime, only just lost in UFC to Li Jingliang, who trains in BJJ not Chinese martial arts.

    In tank biathlons is closer match, usually Russia and China finishes 1-2, (but NATO and Japan/SK not represented)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_biathlon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6h2_Nw32pc

    Replies: @Jack D

    Tank biathlons are great but they have nothing to do with actual warfare. So far in Ukraine, the only thing that Russian tanks have been winning is the turret tossing competition:

    250 feet! Impressive!

  233. @Anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ukrainian neutrality won't work. Comparisons with Switzerland and Sweden break down the moment you look at a map: one is on top of a mountain and the other is on the edge of Europe.

    Ukraine is in the middle of the continent and is completely flat. (cf. Belgium). Its 'neutrality' won't last 5 minutes if war breaks out.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ukrainian neutrality won’t work.

    That’s my point.

  234. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    There won't be war between Russia and NATO, so not an issue, though I do agree that our superior technology would allow us to win. I just think that it would be tougher than you seem to think.

    As to Ukraine, it's stupid for us to go round and round about who's winning. We just need to sit back and watch. I'm not sure why you seem so confident, but, hey, we'll find out soon enough if your right. However, we can look at what has happened, and it's not good for neocon-run America.

    1. The Russians are very close to taking the Donbass.
    2. Germany and the rest of Europe are going into a recession due to the war, maybe a very nasty recession.
    3. Germany likely will lose Russia's cheap energy forever, which lower its standard of living and make its industries much less competitive.
    4. The move away from the dollar has been accelerated. Hard to say by how much, but there's no doubt that it has become the goal of China, Russia, India and many other countries.
    5. Inflation in US has been made worse, forcing the fed to be more aggressive, possibly causing a recession here.
    6. Russia and China are working much closer - though it's an unnatural friendship

    On the plus side for the Neocon America:

    1. The sanctions are hurting Russia's economy. The Russian people are paying a price for the war
    2. Europe is now more tied than ever to the US, but Europe is a dying continent. Its economy is terrible and it has no will to fight anyone. Still, this is definitely a win for the Neocons.

    All in all, the Ukraine affair has been a blunder for the neocons. We already had Europe in our pocket so that's not much of a victory.

    The biggest mistake was the seizing of Russian treasuries and trying to block them out of the dollar (SWIFT) system. The dollar is still king and will be for a long time. But the neocons just put a bulls-eye on its back. Stupid beyond measure.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There’s no doubt that this war has been lose-lose, which make you wonder why Putin started it? This is the Russian way – they figure that they can stand the pain longer than the other guy so that they will win by losing. This has worked for them in the past but I think that Russia overplayed its hand and it’s not gonna work this time. The Russian losses have been bigger and more immediate than Putin was counting on. He thought it was going to be round 2 of 2014 – Ukrainians would fight poorly, Western sanctions would be token, etc. and it hasn’t turned out that way at all.

    Germany was going to have to give up fossil fuels in the long run anyway. If they can emerge into the post-petroleum era ahead of everyone else, this will put them in good shape for the rest of the 21st century. They are already poised to beat Japan in the export market for electric cars.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    Read my reply to Sailer. But as I said to him, I always thought that it was stupid of Putin to invade. However, there's no doubt that the US is gunning to take down Russian - not just Putin but any Russia that doesn't act like our lapdog Europe. (The Russian remember very well what we did to them in the 1990s, and by we, I mean, your guys..) We're also aiming for China.

    We won't quit until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin.

    Both Russia and China know that they'll have to fight at some point. We're like some woke Terminator. We won't quit - ever - so Russia and China know that they'll need to fight us (militarily or economically or both) at some point.

    I'd also agree that Putin screwed up by not invading Ukraine in 2014. That was a huge error. You can bet he and his crew (and they are a mob crew) know it. But he saw his angle and he played it. Inflation was running hot, energy costs were going up, the neocons wouldn't budge, it was as good a time as any to invade.

    And, yeah, the Russian screwed up at first. They went for a shock-and-awe campaign and got their asses handed to them. But they've gone back to doing what they do best, raining holy hell down on the enemy from afar. Russian losses were definitely higher early in the war, but that's completely reversed now. The Ukrainians are taking horrific losses compared to the Russians.

    Again, Russia isn't looking for territory (for now); it's perfectly happy to grind the Ukrainians into dust. What's bizarre is that the Ukrainians haven't changed tactics. Early in the war, the Russians figured that that what they were doing was a disaster, so they changed tactics. The Ukrainians are now getting slaughtered, but they keep standing their ground. It's suicidal.

    As to Germany, your sympathy is overwhelming, but, hey, after the Russians, the Germans are probably your least favorite people, so what the hell. And, no, the Germans will not come out of this better. Granted, if they'd only embrace nuclear, they'd be in much, much better shape, but Germans are very weird about the environment. I've lived there several times and used to be able to speak German reasonably well. They are crazy, and they're particularly crazy about the environment.

    (Oddly, I can see how Jews and Germans made such a good pair. You're both nuts, but in a way that complements each other.)

    I still say that the big loser in all of this (besides Ukraine) is Germany and, really, Europe as a whole. The big winner is China. The neocons will also take a hit, but they're resilient. The jury is still out for Russia. Yeah, it'll be poorer, but if it can get out from under the neocon thumb, I think that they'd take that deal. (Yeah, yeah, they'll be under China's thumb, but at least, the Chinese don't act like they're saints while stealing from you.)

  235. @Steve Sailer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Russians are currently west of the Dnieper at Kherson, which doesn't seem stable. If they stay west of the Dnieper after a ceaae fire, they'll head for Odessa in 5 or 10 years.

    So, the Ukrainians want to drive the Russians back east of the big river. We'll see if they can go on the offensive or not.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Yeah, southern Ukraine is a bit more complicated for both sides. The Dnieper is a nice dividing line and, for the Russians, a nice natural defense barrier.

    Pretty sure that the Russian are hyper aware of this map.

    They’re also very aware that the more ethnically Ukrainian part of Ukraine in that northeast portion east of the Dnieper River isn’t very populated.

    The West’s grand plan is to bleed Russia white via a Ukrainian insurgency. But what if the Russians take the mostly Russian (or enough Russian) parts of Ukraine as shown on the map and the Ukrainian (but lightly populated) part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper.

    The odds of some big insurgency go down if you control territory that’s heavily Russian anyway.

    The Russians would then control access to the Black Sea and the natural resources of the Donbass. They’d also have a river barrier between them and NATO. The southern portion of Ukraine that would become Russian are protected by mountains. Sure, the US would get the remaining part of Ukraine, which we’d arm to the teeth, but it’d be a basket case of a country, even poorer and more dysfunctional that it is now.

    That’s not a bad deal for the Russians. Given the hatred that this invasion has created in Ukraine and America’s future plans to rearm Ukraine, Russia can’t stop with just the Donbass. It has to deal with an extremely hostile Ukraine that will be armed and trained by NATO. But Russia can’t take the entire Ukraine. That leaves Russia with at the very least taking everything east of the Dnieper. Probably a good idea to take all of southern Ukraine as well.

    Nothing personal. Just business.

    Btw, for what it’s worth, I think that Putin was stupid to invade Ukraine. Granted, it wasn’t as stupid as the neocons refusing to promise that Ukraine wouldn’t be allowed in NATO. My point is that I’m not some Putin fanboy.

    That said, I do believe that the Ukraine invasion is part of a larger push by Russia (and many other countries, including China) to go out from under the thumb of the US. As the Z-Man joked, the US won’t quit until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin. The Russians know this, so do the Chinese. They’re willing to fight hard to stop us from rolling them over like we did Europe.

    Ukraine is just one battle in a larger war.

  236. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There's no doubt that this war has been lose-lose, which make you wonder why Putin started it? This is the Russian way - they figure that they can stand the pain longer than the other guy so that they will win by losing. This has worked for them in the past but I think that Russia overplayed its hand and it's not gonna work this time. The Russian losses have been bigger and more immediate than Putin was counting on. He thought it was going to be round 2 of 2014 - Ukrainians would fight poorly, Western sanctions would be token, etc. and it hasn't turned out that way at all.

    Germany was going to have to give up fossil fuels in the long run anyway. If they can emerge into the post-petroleum era ahead of everyone else, this will put them in good shape for the rest of the 21st century. They are already poised to beat Japan in the export market for electric cars.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Read my reply to Sailer. But as I said to him, I always thought that it was stupid of Putin to invade. However, there’s no doubt that the US is gunning to take down Russian – not just Putin but any Russia that doesn’t act like our lapdog Europe. (The Russian remember very well what we did to them in the 1990s, and by we, I mean, your guys..) We’re also aiming for China.

    We won’t quit until the gay pride flag flies over the Kremlin.

    Both Russia and China know that they’ll have to fight at some point. We’re like some woke Terminator. We won’t quit – ever – so Russia and China know that they’ll need to fight us (militarily or economically or both) at some point.

    I’d also agree that Putin screwed up by not invading Ukraine in 2014. That was a huge error. You can bet he and his crew (and they are a mob crew) know it. But he saw his angle and he played it. Inflation was running hot, energy costs were going up, the neocons wouldn’t budge, it was as good a time as any to invade.

    And, yeah, the Russian screwed up at first. They went for a shock-and-awe campaign and got their asses handed to them. But they’ve gone back to doing what they do best, raining holy hell down on the enemy from afar. Russian losses were definitely higher early in the war, but that’s completely reversed now. The Ukrainians are taking horrific losses compared to the Russians.

    Again, Russia isn’t looking for territory (for now); it’s perfectly happy to grind the Ukrainians into dust. What’s bizarre is that the Ukrainians haven’t changed tactics. Early in the war, the Russians figured that that what they were doing was a disaster, so they changed tactics. The Ukrainians are now getting slaughtered, but they keep standing their ground. It’s suicidal.

    As to Germany, your sympathy is overwhelming, but, hey, after the Russians, the Germans are probably your least favorite people, so what the hell. And, no, the Germans will not come out of this better. Granted, if they’d only embrace nuclear, they’d be in much, much better shape, but Germans are very weird about the environment. I’ve lived there several times and used to be able to speak German reasonably well. They are crazy, and they’re particularly crazy about the environment.

    (Oddly, I can see how Jews and Germans made such a good pair. You’re both nuts, but in a way that complements each other.)

    I still say that the big loser in all of this (besides Ukraine) is Germany and, really, Europe as a whole. The big winner is China. The neocons will also take a hit, but they’re resilient. The jury is still out for Russia. Yeah, it’ll be poorer, but if it can get out from under the neocon thumb, I think that they’d take that deal. (Yeah, yeah, they’ll be under China’s thumb, but at least, the Chinese don’t act like they’re saints while stealing from you.)

  237. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "since Obama obviously runs the White House"

    But only when ESPN isn't on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Steve

    An effective executive in a large organization does not issue a constant stream of orders. In the world’s armies, commanders of Division sized forces do not, generally, issue more than one order a day, and if the order is important, at most one a week. If they order their force to go to objective A on Monday, B on Tuesday, C on Wednesday, than by Friday the force will be disorganized and suitable only for defensive operation.

    Obama had simple objectives that were not often changed, were destructive, made money for his constituency, and required very little organization. This is characteristic of the Black coalition and one reason that it has been so effective in the US and in Africa.
    Obama is still doing the same thing, leaving the “running around defending against gaffes” business to the White House cubicle dwellers, and acting most of the time like a working dog keeping a herd together by nipping any wandering cattle.

    This is a sign that he is effective, not that he is an idiot.

  238. @SFG
    @Anon

    Practically every white country in the world is in Europe, which is afraid of Russia or a US ally. I was willing to nod my head along to the statements about Putin opposing globohomo until he sent the tanks into Ukraine. I was reading about some girl they found in Ukraine with her legs blown off and thought, “that’s war. You can thank Vlad for bringing it back to Europe after 77 years.”

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @pyrrhus, @IronCurtain

    Ever heard of Belgrade bombing by NATO or news filtering works one way? There were girls with legs blown off there too.

  239. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    Any headline that contains the words "won't rule out" is by definition bullshit. It's just a gotcha game that reporters play. Amb. Kritenbrink does not command any troops and is not authorized to rule in or out any military action on behalf of the US government.

    Even if he was, it is in the interest of the United States to maintain strategic ambiguity. The US is not required to show its cards just because some dumb reporter tries to bait an official with a loaded question. If for example Biden was senile enough to agree that he "ruled out" the US defending Taiwan in the event it was attacked by China, this would make it MORE likely that China would attack Taiwan. Conversely, even if the US has no intention of actually defending Taiwan, it is in the US's interest to say that such a defense "can't be ruled out".

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Nancy Pelosi is getting the Chinese riled up.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/joe-biden-nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china/index.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    I think it's a bad idea to give the Chicoms veto over where American officials can and cannot go. Do the Chinese ask us or "take American sensitivities into account" before they send people to some other country? Also the Legislative is a separate branch of the US government - the Executive does not give orders to it. Maybe the Chinese don't understand Separation of Powers but we do. If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese - you don't tell me where to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

  240. @Thelma Ringbaum
    @AnotherDad

    This is not exactly accurate. The Fascist state of Sanaciiya Poland, egged on by the British security guarantees, started to ethnically cleanse polish Germans. The Poles also called for Mobilization .

    So the nazi mr. Hitler has basically no choice but to start a limited war there, or else he would lose his street cred as a German Nationalist. A certain Backroom deal with the abominable mr. Stalin helped him to decide.

    The Allies then started their Phoney War, turning the limited operation into WW2. They really wanted to contain Germany, and may be were right in that. But the Poles have a few tings to answer to as well.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Hitler has basically no choice

    Hitler has “no choice”, Putin has “no choice” – what is it with this dictators and their defenders that they have “no choice” – they just HAVE TO attack their neighbors?

    • Agree: David In TN
  241. @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    Nancy Pelosi is getting the Chinese riled up.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/joe-biden-nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china/index.html
    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1552073843325521923

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think it’s a bad idea to give the Chicoms veto over where American officials can and cannot go. Do the Chinese ask us or “take American sensitivities into account” before they send people to some other country? Also the Legislative is a separate branch of the US government – the Executive does not give orders to it. Maybe the Chinese don’t understand Separation of Powers but we do. If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese – you don’t tell me where to go.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese – you don’t tell me where to go.
     
    You should go with her.

    Replies: @djohn

    , @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1553620792390328320

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/31/pelosi-asia-trip-taiwan-00048822
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1553723423578365953

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  242. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    I think it's a bad idea to give the Chicoms veto over where American officials can and cannot go. Do the Chinese ask us or "take American sensitivities into account" before they send people to some other country? Also the Legislative is a separate branch of the US government - the Executive does not give orders to it. Maybe the Chinese don't understand Separation of Powers but we do. If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese - you don't tell me where to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

    If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese – you don’t tell me where to go.

    You should go with her.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @djohn
    @Anonymous

    indeed gorilla glue yourself to her/it.

  243. @Chebyshev

    Over time, wars of conquest and territorial annexation fell out of fashion, especially after WWI. For instance, the Republican Coolidge Administration promoted the Kellogg-Briand pact of 1928 to outlaw aggressive war.
     
    They didn't fall out of fashion in Stalin's Russia - he was about to invade Nazi Germany and then the rest of Western Europe in 1941.

    Replies: @anon

    One reason for Wermacht early success in Russia was the Russian hardware was pre-positioned in offensive configuration instead of defensive, plus caught somewhat by surprise. But as Uncle Joe supposedly said, “quantity has its own quality”. Attrition plus grit does a lot. The Russians won’t give an inch.

  244. @Abe
    The pity of history is sometimes I think even greater than the pity of war. In order to create a juicy, compelling narrative, historians drop so much complexity and nuance that all that is left is a highly caricatured and didactic picture of the past which grows ever more simplistic over time as the more popularizing/commercial sort of practitioners (i.e. midwits) strive to present an ever more “teachable” version of the past. Yes, many Europeans in August 1914 thought it would be a short, sharp conflict with the troops home in time for Christmas (if not the harvest). Some (like this guy and the thousands of people who read him, or Angell) suspected otherwise. There was no way to know who’d turn out right until the potential catastrophe had already transpired.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Gotlib_Bloch

    Born in Radom, Poland, on July 24, 1836, [Jan Gotlib] Bloch became intrigued by the victory of the North German Confederation over France in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870–1871, which suggested to him that the solution of diplomatic problems by warfare had become obsolete in Europe. He published his six-volume master work… Future War and its Economic Consequences, popularized in English translation as Is War Now Impossible?, in Paris in 1898.

    His detailed analysis of modern warfare, its tactical, strategic and political implications, was widely read in Europe. Bloch argued that:

    * The new technologies of smokeless powder, magazine rifles, machine guns and quick-firing artillery had rendered manoeuvres over open ground, such as bayonet and cavalry charges, obsolete. Bloch concluded that a war between the great powers would be a war of entrenchment and that rapid attacks and decisive victories were a thing of the past. He calculated that entrenched men would enjoy a fourfold advantage over infantry in the open.

    * Industrial societies would have to settle a stalemate by committing million-man armies. An enormous battlefront would develop. A war of this type could not be resolved quickly.

    * Such a war would become a duel of industrial might, a matter of total economic attrition. Severe economic and social dislocations would result in the imminent risk of famine, disease, the "break-up of the whole social organization" and revolutions from below.
     

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    In order to create a juicy, compelling narrative, historians drop so much complexity and nuance that all that is left is a highly caricatured and didactic picture of the past which grows ever more simplistic over time as the more popularizing/commercial sort of practitioners (i.e. midwits) strive to present an ever more “teachable” version of the past.

    This.

  245. @Wilkey

    Argentina’s 1982 invasion of sub-Arctic Falklands (an exceptionally stupid exemplification of Angell’s law that conquest no longer pays)
     
    Argentina nearly had its way in the Falklands, and there’s no small chance that it might have won. The British were in talks to give it up to Argentina before it invaded, and British politicians were so pathetic that absent Margaret Thatcher’s need to look strong at a time of recession the idiotic British leaders (just look at the two choices for leader the Tories have selected) might have just walked away.

    The Falklands are only 4,700 square miles in area, but the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (adopted, coincidentally, in 1982) gives it an Exclusive Economic Zone of over 200,000 square miles. Holding on to the Falklands may have been one of the best long-term investments the British could have ever made.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Anonymous, @That Would Be Telling, @GeologyAnonMk5

    Indeed. Unlike WW2 per Churchill, the Falklands actually were a “damn close run thing”.

    Without Reagan giving the brits the AIM-9L, it’s very likely the Sea Harriers would have been attrited to non-existence, as that weapon was basically a cheat code in the peculiar thermal environment down there. And that was by no means assured, the Navy especially was reluctant to arm the Brits against the Argentines, given they were both Allies and all Argentine naval aviators were US trained.

    The “charge of the Skyhawks” against the Brit landing force could have worked out horrifically for the Brits if the A-4s had correctly set their fuses to account for their 15′ AGL attack run, since virtually every escorting ship was hit by a mis-fused dud, and that would have been compounded by focusing on the landing ships instead of the escorts. Very probable that if one of those was changed, the royal marines would have been mauled, and if both, the landing defeated in detail.

    France buckling to British pressure and withholding the final shipment of exocets was a bit of a surprise to everyone, and Hermes barely escaped the exocet treatment even then.

    I do wonder what would have happened if those had turned out differently. Would the USSR kick off the big one if they had just seen the argies overwhelm a NATO fleet with a very limited version of their own ASCM missile attack doctrine? Especially since that would have massively weakened the GIUK defense forces? Possibly

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @GeologyAnonMk5


    Unlike WW2 per Churchill, the Falklands actually were a “damn close run thing”.
     
    Agree. This is a good account:

    https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Falklands-Max-Hastings/dp/0393301982
  246. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese – you don’t tell me where to go.
     
    You should go with her.

    Replies: @djohn

    indeed gorilla glue yourself to her/it.

  247. @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Wilkey

    Indeed. Unlike WW2 per Churchill, the Falklands actually were a "damn close run thing".

    Without Reagan giving the brits the AIM-9L, it's very likely the Sea Harriers would have been attrited to non-existence, as that weapon was basically a cheat code in the peculiar thermal environment down there. And that was by no means assured, the Navy especially was reluctant to arm the Brits against the Argentines, given they were both Allies and all Argentine naval aviators were US trained.

    The "charge of the Skyhawks" against the Brit landing force could have worked out horrifically for the Brits if the A-4s had correctly set their fuses to account for their 15' AGL attack run, since virtually every escorting ship was hit by a mis-fused dud, and that would have been compounded by focusing on the landing ships instead of the escorts. Very probable that if one of those was changed, the royal marines would have been mauled, and if both, the landing defeated in detail.

    France buckling to British pressure and withholding the final shipment of exocets was a bit of a surprise to everyone, and Hermes barely escaped the exocet treatment even then.

    I do wonder what would have happened if those had turned out differently. Would the USSR kick off the big one if they had just seen the argies overwhelm a NATO fleet with a very limited version of their own ASCM missile attack doctrine? Especially since that would have massively weakened the GIUK defense forces? Possibly

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Unlike WW2 per Churchill, the Falklands actually were a “damn close run thing”.

    Agree. This is a good account:

  248. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    I think it's a bad idea to give the Chicoms veto over where American officials can and cannot go. Do the Chinese ask us or "take American sensitivities into account" before they send people to some other country? Also the Legislative is a separate branch of the US government - the Executive does not give orders to it. Maybe the Chinese don't understand Separation of Powers but we do. If I were Pelosi I would say FU to the State Dept. and FU to the Chinese - you don't tell me where to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/31/pelosi-asia-trip-taiwan-00048822

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit/index.html
    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1554055603198345216

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  249. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is Biden antagonizing China? He should be trying to split China away from Russia, Nixon style.

  250. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... but even the defeated armies of central Europe didn’t have all that much trouble in 1919 crushing Bolshevik uprisings in their countries.
     
    SOME of them, ahem, had quite a bit of trouble and required a Hitler-like figure, named, well... to crush them. Will Americans see that it doesn't get this far? Yes, it's in different form here and now, and the Communists are stupider, don't dress as nice, and can't read books by Marx and Engels, but make no mistake about who they are. History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes.

    I was glad to see the Calvin Coolidge shout out here. Correction: He didn't "rule" any such continent. President Coolidge would be the first to deny that. He simply administered the Federal Gov't per the US Constitution. (hasn't happened since...)

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Perhaps you’d be good enough to point out where in the Constitution is a privately held Federal Reserve Bank Issuer of Currency mentioned?

  251. @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1553620792390328320

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/31/pelosi-asia-trip-taiwan-00048822
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1553723423578365953

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit/index.html

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/02/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit-op-ed/
    https://archive.ph/MdfFw
    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1554486184931479553

  252. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit/index.html
    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1554055603198345216

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/02/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit-op-ed/
    https://archive.ph/MdfFw

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