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From the New York Times:

Founder Says Rolling Stone Erred in Retracting Rape Article
By HAWES SPENCER OCT. 28, 2016

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — In a defiant defense of the magazine he founded and owns, Jann S. Wenner said Rolling Stone was wrong to fully retract a discredited 2014 article about allegations of a gang rape at the University of Virginia, asserting in videotaped testimony shown on Friday that much of the material in the article was correct.

“We did everything reasonable, appropriate up to the highest standards of journalism to check on this thing,” Mr. Wenner said in a libel trial in federal court here. “The one thing we didn’t do was confront Jackie’s accusers — the rapists.”

Huh?

As he has previously, Mr. Wenner assigned much of the blame to the woman at the center of the article, identified as Jackie, whose account of being raped began to fall apart shortly after the article was published two years ago. Mr. Wenner said there was nothing a journalist could do “if someone is really determined to commit a fraud.”

Especially if she makes up realistic details about a gang rape on broken glass.

He said that while the magazine rightly retracted “the Jackie stuff,” he disagreed with the decision to retract the entire article in the wake of a damning report on it in April 2015 by The Columbia Journalism Review. He said the bulk of the article detailed ways that the University of Virginia could improve its treatment of victims of sexual assault.

Especially if they aren’t victims of sexual assault.

“I stand by the rest of the article: personally, professionally and on behalf of the magazine,” Mr. Wenner said.

Okay.

The defamation suit, which seeks $7.5 million in damages, was brought by Nicole Eramo, a former associate dean of students at the university, who said the Rolling Stone article depicted her as the “chief villain” of the story. Mr. Wenner, like several other witnesses in this trial, which was in its 11th day, testified in video excerpts from their depositions.

The plaintiffs rested their case on Friday. The trial is to resume on Monday. …

At times defiant, Mr. Wenner at other times veered toward contrition, and then abruptly pulled back, as when apologizing to the plaintiff.

“I’m very, very sorry,” he said, then added quickly, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.”

Okay.

Mr. Wenner testified that he knew there was a problem when he came to work the first Friday in December 2014 and found his managing editor, Will Dana, distraught.

His Night of Broken Glass story was posted on November 19, 2014, so it took him until December 5, 2014 to notice there was a problem.

The deposition also provided Mr. Wenner’s fullest account of his decision to terminate Mr. Dana and the reporter who wrote the article, Sabrina Rubin Erdely. She had just begun a $300,000 writing contract. Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

“I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.

Here’s my Taki column from earlier this week on the trial, “Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Malice in Blunderland.”

 
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  1. Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner’s claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    • Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    , @guest
    @Harry Baldwin

    Ted Bundy suffered as much as his victims. More, maybe. He was electrocuted!

    , @yowza
    @Harry Baldwin


    Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.
     
    In California, there are laws which were crafted to combat insurance companies fucking with claimants, the laws essentially state that if the claimant wins, he/she is entitled to triple the amount owed.

    What the state is saying is, "we've found you guilty. you're to pay what was owed, plus the amount is tripled for thinking you could get away with it." Arguably, the law has been effective in curbing insurance companies delaying or refusing claims, just because they can. By making the penalty steep, they cannot rationalize being a douchebag as a petty "cost of doing business." It also creates a high profile example to other cunts who think they can get away with it. Think of it as a distinctive fiducial "stop sign" that even assholes–especially assholes–can understand.

    She deserves $10 million because Rolling Stone magazine, collectively, are stupid cunts who thought they could get away with it. Stupid cunts gotta be learned, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

    Replies: @Marty

    , @I, Libertine
    @Harry Baldwin

    Well stated.

    , @ic1000
    @Harry Baldwin

    “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.”

    These are the exact words* that District Attorney Mike Nifong uttered to the three falsely-accused students after the wheels came off the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax.

    While Nifong successfully won re-election on the tailwind of SJW and black-solidarity votes, he was eventually disbarred. Notwithstanding that, the episode offers plenty of comfort to Team Narrative. Enthusiastic hoax enablers were a dime a dozen at Duke (faculty, top administrators, students), in the local Progressive and Feminist communities, and in the prestige press. None of them faced diminished social status or crimped career opportunities -- and some professors parlayed their stand with the Group of 88 into promotions.

    (* and if they weren't, they could have been)

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

  2. @Harry Baldwin
    Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner's claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions, @guest, @yowza, @I, Libertine, @ic1000

    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level

    I mean c’mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    $10m may be excessive, but the amount should punitive well beyond any actual damages suffered by Ms. Eramo. Rolling Stone has tremendous leverage in a head-to-head with a private citizen and a supposed obligation to journalistic ethics.

    Ultimately I have about as much sympathy for Rolling Stone as I did for Gawker... none.

    Replies: @Nico

    , @wrd9
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Nope, the awards need to be YUGE to teach them a lesson. Like the Hulk Hogan case. I'd like to see more colleges and universities sued about their lack of due process for males accused of rape or sexual harassment.

    , @Percy Gryce
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Rolling Stone has spent more than $10 million on the premiums for its libel insurance in the last few decades.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @Anon
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    10m for Eramo herself is excessive but it's not enough of a punishment for RS. They really need to be shut down.

    , @Pericles
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Also, what about the falsely accused fraternity? They certainly deserve damages and apologies too.

    , @I, Libertine
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Sure, $10M is much more than she needs to be fairly compensated. But it's obvious this a$$ cavity Wenner still doesn't get it, and never will. The 'rapists' are the accusers. Punitives are necessary to slap this idiot in the face.

    , @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    , @Tracy
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Pray for 10 million, and be happy if you get 10% of that. Well, 4% of that as your lawyer gets the rest.

    , @Eric Novak
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Punitive damages are excessive by intent. They are how the media is restrained from wrecking lives for profit. Rolling Stone deserves Gawker's fate. Wenner is grotesque narcissistic scum.

  3. More proof that the left lives in a fantasy world where only the narrative matters. They are always the biggest victims even when they have willfully harmed others. They have absolutely no concern about the impact of their actions on others. True sociopaths with mental illness and cruelty as the norm.

    • Agree: Kylie
  4. Astro-Glide is like five hundred euros for one serving.
    You try out the one dollar stuff at Walmart (which is actually pretty good tbqh fam desu, it has a slightly different texture than the dollar store Sheffield’s lube so you can alternate).
    Then one night you forget that earlier that evening you chopped up some poblanos for dinner. ¡Viva el Sabor!
    You find yourself experimenting with Icy-Hot.
    But you’re not really far gone into self-love until your lubricant of choice is fragments of shattered plate glass.

  5. WENNER:
    But it wasn’t the “media” which killed the Haight.

    GARCIA:
    No. Do you want me to tell you the incident where I thought it started to get weird? I was walking down Haight Street, and all of a sudden in a window was a little notice. It said “Communications Company” – and it was that guy, what’s his name? Chester Anderson! And it was this horrible bummer of a depressing story about some 13-year-old meth freak getting raped by nine spades and smack heads… it was just a bummer. Bad news. This guy took it upon himself to print up bad news and put it up.

    Then he started putting out the whole “Free the Street” trip and he just brought in all this political heavy-handed East Coast hard-edge shit, and painted it on Haight Street, where none of it was…it wasn’t happening like that. It was still groovy. And that was the point where I thought, this scene cannot survive with that idea in there. It just goes all wrong.

    WENNER:
    At that point, Emmett Grogan began The Diggers and associated himself with those people, and they had a press conference…

    Somehow, that kind of gang rape is no big deal, or at least not a big enough deal to merit a prominently featured article.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @ben tillman

    From Didion's Slouching Towards Bethlehem.


    Chester Anderson is a legacy of the Beat Generation, a man in his middle thirties whose peculiar hold on the District derives from his possession of a mimeograph machine, on which he prints communiqués signed “the communication company.” It is another tenet of the official District mythology that the communication company will print anything anybody has to say, but in fact Chester Anderson prints only what he writes himself, agrees with, or considers harmless or dead matter. His statements, which are left in piles and pasted on windows around Haight Street, are regarded with some apprehension in the District and with considerable interest by outsiders, who study them, like China watchers, for subtle shifts in obscure ideologies. An Anderson communiqué might be doing something as specific as fingering someone who is said to have set up a marijuana bust, or it might be working in a more general vein:

    "Pretty little 16-year-old middle-class chick comes to the Haight to see what it’s all about & gets picked up by a 17-year-old street dealer who spends all day shooting her full of speed again & again, then feeds her 3,000 mikes & raffles off her temporarily unemployed body for the biggest Haight Street gangbang since the night before last. The politics and ethics of ecstasy. Rape is as common as bullshit on Haight Street. Kids are starving on the Street. Minds and bodies are being maimed as we watch, a scale model of Vietnam.


    Replies: @ben tillman

  6. He lies. They did not contacted the witnesses either.

    They couldn’t contact the rapist as he didn’t exist.

  7. Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.

    What he means by “the quality of their work had slipped” is that they were marginally less willing to libel innocent people in service of The Narrative because they thought there might actually be consequences.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @ATX Hipster


    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.
     
    The journalist cries out as he hits you.
    , @NOTA
    @ATX Hipster

    I wonder how many writers decided it would be better for their reputations not to be associated with Rolling Stone.

    Replies: @Zach

  8. I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.

    I never read Rolling Stone but I did look at the Linda Ronstadt pictures 40 years ago.

    The “Jackie stuff” was the whole article.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Spmoore8


    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.
     
    Well, he does have at least one thing in common with women:

    In the summer following the start of Rolling Stone, Wenner and Jane Schindelheim were married in a small Jewish ceremony.[19] Wenner and his wife separated in 1995, though Jane Wenner still remains a vice president of Wenner Media. She and Wenner have three sons, Alexander Jann, Theodore "Theo" Simon, and Edward Augustus, known as Gus, head of Wenner Media's digital operations.

    Since 1995, Wenner's partner has been Matt Nye, a fashion designer. Together, Wenner and Nye have three adopted children, Noah and twins Jude & India Rose.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Personal_life

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    , @syonredux
    @Spmoore8

    Since I hate waiting


    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.
     
    Well, he does have at least one thing in common with women:

    In the summer following the start of Rolling Stone, Wenner and Jane Schindelheim were married in a small Jewish ceremony.[19] Wenner and his wife separated in 1995, though Jane Wenner still remains a vice president of Wenner Media. She and Wenner have three sons, Alexander Jann, Theodore “Theo” Simon, and Edward Augustus, known as Gus, head of Wenner Media’s digital operations.

    Since 1995, Wenner’s partner has been Matt Nye, a fashion designer. Together, Wenner and Nye have three adopted children, Noah and twins Jude & India Rose.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Personal_life
  9. @Harry Baldwin
    Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner's claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions, @guest, @yowza, @I, Libertine, @ic1000

    Ted Bundy suffered as much as his victims. More, maybe. He was electrocuted!

  10. Mr. Wenner said there was nothing a journalist could do “if someone is really determined to commit a fraud.”

    Dunno, Jann. If someone started telling me a story about a guy named Haven Monahan….

  11. @Spmoore8
    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.

    I never read Rolling Stone but I did look at the Linda Ronstadt pictures 40 years ago.

    The "Jackie stuff" was the whole article.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.

    Well, he does have at least one thing in common with women:

    In the summer following the start of Rolling Stone, Wenner and Jane Schindelheim were married in a small Jewish ceremony.[19] Wenner and his wife separated in 1995, though Jane Wenner still remains a vice president of Wenner Media. She and Wenner have three sons, Alexander Jann, Theodore “Theo” Simon, and Edward Augustus, known as Gus, head of Wenner Media’s digital operations.

    Since 1995, Wenner’s partner has been Matt Nye, a fashion designer. Together, Wenner and Nye have three adopted children, Noah and twins Jude & India Rose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Personal_life

    • Agree: Spmoore8
    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @syonredux

    Explains a lot.

  12. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    $10m may be excessive, but the amount should punitive well beyond any actual damages suffered by Ms. Eramo. Rolling Stone has tremendous leverage in a head-to-head with a private citizen and a supposed obligation to journalistic ethics.

    Ultimately I have about as much sympathy for Rolling Stone as I did for Gawker… none.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Nico
    @ATX Hipster

    I also thought of Gawker. Where is Thiel when you need him??

  13. @Spmoore8
    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.

    I never read Rolling Stone but I did look at the Linda Ronstadt pictures 40 years ago.

    The "Jackie stuff" was the whole article.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Since I hate waiting

    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.

    Well, he does have at least one thing in common with women:

    In the summer following the start of Rolling Stone, Wenner and Jane Schindelheim were married in a small Jewish ceremony.[19] Wenner and his wife separated in 1995, though Jane Wenner still remains a vice president of Wenner Media. She and Wenner have three sons, Alexander Jann, Theodore “Theo” Simon, and Edward Augustus, known as Gus, head of Wenner Media’s digital operations.

    Since 1995, Wenner’s partner has been Matt Nye, a fashion designer. Together, Wenner and Nye have three adopted children, Noah and twins Jude & India Rose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Personal_life

  14. Mr. Wenner said there was nothing a journalist could do “if someone is really determined to commit a fraud.”

    So that’s an admission of journalistic worthlessness? Is there no such thing as background reporting? Multiple sources? Follow-up reporting? Fact verification?

    Listening to one side of a story is not “journalism”, it’s gossip.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    @Oleaginous Outrager


    Is there no such thing as background reporting? Multiple sources? Follow-up reporting? Fact verification?
     
    Very good points, of course, and it's a tad dismaying that Nicole Eramo's attorneys appear to be outgunned by Jann Wenner's. Because that's how you win legal cases.

    My jaw was dropped almost the entire time I was reading this article. But why, in the end? Isn't it clear that this is exactly the sort of person who will commit gross journalistic crimes in the first place? What were we expecting?

  15. NEW YORK — For the past two months, New York’s media and fashion worlds have buzzed about the secret that everyone seemed to know but no one dared print: Jann Wenner, the Rolling Stone founding editor who came to personify the shifting social values of an American generation, had left his wife, Jane, for a man.

    It was a breakup that threatened to destroy the $200-million magazine company that Wenner and his wife shared. So on March 3, when the Wall Street Journal finally published the story and the news of Wenner’s love affair on its front page, it was another step in the evolution of “outing”–revealing to the general public a person’s homosexuality or bisexuality against his or her wishes.

    “Ordinarily, someone’s sexuality is not something we’re concerned about,” said Paul Steiger, the Journal’s managing editor. “In this case it was relevant to a very interesting story, so we included it. If you’re going to profile a company that could be coming unglued, and which reflects Jann’s personality as well as Jane’s, you don’t want to be coy. You just say what it is.”

    Some news executives criticized the Journal’s story as an excuse to print salacious gossip. But gay rights groups and gay journalists, who said Wenner’s bisexuality has been known for years among his Rolling Stone colleagues but never mentioned in the media, generally were pleased with what they called an “equalization” of reporting about personal lives.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-10/news/ls-41090_1_jann-wenner

    • Replies: @Anon
    @syonredux

    Jenner became Caitlyn. What will Wenner become? Jane Wenner?

    What a silly world.

    Once upon a time you dressed so fine
    You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you?
    People’d call, say, “Beware doll, you’re bound to fall”
    You thought they were all kiddin’ you
    You used to laugh about
    Everybody that was hangin’ out
    Now you don’t talk so loud
    Now you don’t seem so proud
    About having to be scrounging for your next meal

    How does it feel
    How does it feel
    To be without a home
    Like a complete unknown
    Like a rolling stone?

  16. I don’t if Nazi boys raped Jackie in the dark.

    But Rolling Stone writers surely murder the truth in the dark.

    Btw, $7.5 million should be peanuts for the mag, esp if it pays a hack reporter so much for nonsense.

  17. Jeez, when I saw that headline, I thought this would be a satirical iSteve riff on The FBI De-retracts Investigation of Hillary, but now …

    2016, the year reality and surreality reached the singularity.

    • Agree: Perspective
  18. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Nope, the awards need to be YUGE to teach them a lesson. Like the Hulk Hogan case. I’d like to see more colleges and universities sued about their lack of due process for males accused of rape or sexual harassment.

  19. Wenner controls who does and does not get into the Rock’n’Roll Hall of Fame. He has made the point of keeping many popular rock acts out of the Rock”nRoll Hall of Fame. Some got in by fans basically demanding it, as with Kiss, Rush and Neil Diamond. For some acts, that ban still stands, including Deep Purple, Yes and Bon Jovi. And inductees like Steve Miller and Diamond have complained about how crappy the HoF treats them. And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren’t really rock at all like Diana Ross, Donna Summer and Run DMC. Now those are all fine musical acts, but they aren’t rock. Similar to The Narrative the HoF has tried to sell the idea rock’n’roll has been some kind of diverse multi culti melting pot. Anyone who has been to almost any rock show since the 1970s can tell you otherwise. Now perhaps some major rock figures like Clapton and Jagger have babbled on and on about The Blues (witness Jagger and Martin Scorcese making a mess of that with “Vinyl”). But really simple fact is while Elvis and then the Beatles rock may have jumped off the blues, rock is different and apart form the blues. And it’s better. And for better or worse spare Jimi Hendrix it’s mostly a white art form. Simply white people pay the freight in rock’n’roll, but that doesn’t fit The Narrative.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bugg

    "And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren’t really rock at all like Diana Ross"

    Rock is a big tent. And Ross is supreme.

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    , @South Texas Guy
    @Bugg

    As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form, you are absolutely correct. And you're right about Motown not being rock. Some people might quibble about Doo Wop (e.g. The Platters, the Drifters, etc.), but that era ended in 1960.
    Early 50s blues is not the same as late 50s stuff by Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis. And although the Rolling Stones took their name from a Muddy Waters tune, they never sounded particularly bluesy to me.

    On another note, Holy Crap! Wenner pays low-level writers $300,000. I'd go back into journalism for that, even if it was working at a crappy magazine with a crappy editor.

    Replies: @Anon

  20. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The RS article on UVA was all about exposing white male privilege of spoiled jocks.

    But it seems the real sense of glib nasty entitlement prevails among Wenner and crowd.

    This is all the more ironic since RS promotes the kind of trash culture that simplifies everything down to excess, thuggery, hedonism, and sex.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anon


    This is all the more ironic since RS promotes the kind of trash culture that simplifies everything down to excess, thuggery, hedonism, and sex.
     
    I remember buying RS nearly every issue my freshman year for that reason--it justified, rationalized, promoted, what I still call to this day, sex and drugs and rock n' roll. But the novelty wore off pretty quickly. I don't think I ever bought or read another issue after that. I think that's called growing up.
  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    NEW YORK — For the past two months, New York's media and fashion worlds have buzzed about the secret that everyone seemed to know but no one dared print: Jann Wenner, the Rolling Stone founding editor who came to personify the shifting social values of an American generation, had left his wife, Jane, for a man.

    It was a breakup that threatened to destroy the $200-million magazine company that Wenner and his wife shared. So on March 3, when the Wall Street Journal finally published the story and the news of Wenner's love affair on its front page, it was another step in the evolution of "outing"--revealing to the general public a person's homosexuality or bisexuality against his or her wishes.

    "Ordinarily, someone's sexuality is not something we're concerned about," said Paul Steiger, the Journal's managing editor. "In this case it was relevant to a very interesting story, so we included it. If you're going to profile a company that could be coming unglued, and which reflects Jann's personality as well as Jane's, you don't want to be coy. You just say what it is."

    Some news executives criticized the Journal's story as an excuse to print salacious gossip. But gay rights groups and gay journalists, who said Wenner's bisexuality has been known for years among his Rolling Stone colleagues but never mentioned in the media, generally were pleased with what they called an "equalization" of reporting about personal lives.
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-10/news/ls-41090_1_jann-wenner

    Replies: @Anon

    Jenner became Caitlyn. What will Wenner become? Jane Wenner?

    What a silly world.

    Once upon a time you dressed so fine
    You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you?
    People’d call, say, “Beware doll, you’re bound to fall”
    You thought they were all kiddin’ you
    You used to laugh about
    Everybody that was hangin’ out
    Now you don’t talk so loud
    Now you don’t seem so proud
    About having to be scrounging for your next meal

    How does it feel
    How does it feel
    To be without a home
    Like a complete unknown
    Like a rolling stone?

  22. @Bugg
    Wenner controls who does and does not get into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. He has made the point of keeping many popular rock acts out of the Rock"nRoll Hall of Fame. Some got in by fans basically demanding it, as with Kiss, Rush and Neil Diamond. For some acts, that ban still stands, including Deep Purple, Yes and Bon Jovi. And inductees like Steve Miller and Diamond have complained about how crappy the HoF treats them. And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren't really rock at all like Diana Ross, Donna Summer and Run DMC. Now those are all fine musical acts, but they aren't rock. Similar to The Narrative the HoF has tried to sell the idea rock'n'roll has been some kind of diverse multi culti melting pot. Anyone who has been to almost any rock show since the 1970s can tell you otherwise. Now perhaps some major rock figures like Clapton and Jagger have babbled on and on about The Blues (witness Jagger and Martin Scorcese making a mess of that with "Vinyl"). But really simple fact is while Elvis and then the Beatles rock may have jumped off the blues, rock is different and apart form the blues. And it's better. And for better or worse spare Jimi Hendrix it's mostly a white art form. Simply white people pay the freight in rock'n'roll, but that doesn't fit The Narrative.

    Replies: @Anon, @South Texas Guy

    “And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren’t really rock at all like Diana Ross”

    Rock is a big tent. And Ross is supreme.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Anon

    Diana Ross and Hall of Fame inductee Madonna are rock or even an influence on rock by nobody's standards.

    Replies: @Anon

  23. Relevant excerpts: “videotaped testimony shown [to whom?] on Friday … a libel trial in federal court here [in Charlottesville, Va.] … Mr. Wenner, like several other witnesses in this trial, which was in its 11th day, testified in video excerpts from their depositions. … the deposition, which was taped at the New York office of the magazine’s lawyers in May [five months ago].”

    In a trial, witnesses appear before a judge and jury, who assess their credibility not from an electronic image, but from their gait in entering and leaving the witness box, their smell, and everything else that an in-person meeting can convey. A trial-by-video is a way to avoid requiring busy witnesses to show up in person, disrupting their active high-income lifestyle. What court case established the legal validity of trial-by-TV? Curiously, the words “judge” and “jury” do not appear in this article.

  24. @ATX Hipster

    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.
     
    What he means by "the quality of their work had slipped" is that they were marginally less willing to libel innocent people in service of The Narrative because they thought there might actually be consequences.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @NOTA

    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.

    The journalist cries out as he hits you.

  25. @syonredux
    @Spmoore8


    I thought Jann Wenner was a woman now. At least a total egomaniac.
     
    Well, he does have at least one thing in common with women:

    In the summer following the start of Rolling Stone, Wenner and Jane Schindelheim were married in a small Jewish ceremony.[19] Wenner and his wife separated in 1995, though Jane Wenner still remains a vice president of Wenner Media. She and Wenner have three sons, Alexander Jann, Theodore "Theo" Simon, and Edward Augustus, known as Gus, head of Wenner Media's digital operations.

    Since 1995, Wenner's partner has been Matt Nye, a fashion designer. Together, Wenner and Nye have three adopted children, Noah and twins Jude & India Rose.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Personal_life

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Explains a lot.

  26. “We did everything reasonable, appropriate up to the highest standards of journalism to check on this thing,” Mr. Wenner said …

    Except to ask whether the story was intrisically believable. I remember how, when the story broke, Steve and some of his commentators noted implausible aspects. Heck, I even pointed one or two things that seemed, well, unlikely.

    But of course we aren’t respected investigative journalists. Merely folks who think it important to have an enquiring mind and ask questions.

  27. Did OJ ever really find the real killer of Nicole?

    It must have been Haven Monahan or the Russians.

    Seriously, was OJ worse than mass killing sociopaths like Obama and Hilary?

    Wenner and all these media people… they are serious sociopaths.

    They play role as messenger.

    Dangerous.

  28. Longtime Rolling Stone writer Neal Karlen has attacked Rolling Stone founder Jann Wenner in a new book.

    In an early passage, Mr. Karlen writes: “Jann, Dick Clark’s evil twin in charting the eternal youthquake, was famous for wet-kissing his friends in print. One would think that Michael Douglas, Jann’s longtime pal and social ladder to the stars, was the finest actor since Edwin Booth by the number of times he’s been on the cover.” He also calls him a “publisher who fancied himself William Randolph Hearst, but more closely resembled the rich kid bully at camp who wouldn’t share his foot locker full of candy unless you did his chores on the job wheel.”

    The book starts with his reluctantly accepting an assignment from the magazine to write about the St. Paul Saints, a Northern League team partly owned by actor Bill Murray. But Mr. Karlen claims the assignment came with a price: “Dirt is what Jann Wenner was paying me $7,500 and expenses for this one story. Wenner’s instructions after my midsummer report to my long-suffering editor were simple: If I wanted to get this story and myself back into Rolling Stone , I had to show him ‘Bill Murray driving the Saints’ team bus while Darryl Strawberry is freebasing crack in the backseat.’”

    Why would Mr. Wenner want Bill Murray “carved,” as he puts it in the book? “Wenner-word had it in the Rolling Stone hallways during the years I wrote for them-had never forgiven Murray for his starring role as Dr. Hunter S. Thompson in Where the Buffalo Roam , a 1980 cult classic wherein a thinly veiled Jann Wenner, played with a padded butt by Bruno Kirby, was hilariously and accurately savaged and ridiculed by Murray as a cheap corporate bastard who wouldn’t pay his writers their expense money.

    At least Mr. Karlen has the good sense to show that he was a willing participant in the game of celebrity journalism, rather than its victim. After all, he didn’t just write hatchet jobs; in fact, he wrote one of the most notorious puff jobs in Rolling Stone history, the 1985 cover story on the movie Perfect , in which John Travolta played a Rolling Stone reporter and Jann Wenner played himself (“his own favorite person,” as Mr. Karlen puts it).

    “The project resulted in unbelievable on-screen leakage of Hollywood chutzpah, media vanity, and Jann’s bullshit,” he writes. “Even though the film was universally lampooned as a disaster, Jann put Perfect on me, the new recruit. My job was to do the dirty work of typing that here was a terrific movie that fully deserved this Rolling Stone cover. So I wasn’t exactly an innocent …”

    http://observer.com/1999/06/ex-rolling-stone-writer-neal-karlen-gets-revenge-on-jann-wenner/

  29. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Rolling Stone has spent more than $10 million on the premiums for its libel insurance in the last few decades.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Percy Gryce

    There's actually something called "libel insurance?"

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

  30. The founder of Rolling Stone has finally divorced his wife of 43 years, two decades after they split so he could begin a new life as a gay man.
    Jann and Jane Wenner have formally gone their separate ways with a secret multimillion dollar settlement that paves the way for him to get married to his long term boyfriend.
    When the divorce was first announced this summer speculation was rife it would cause the break-up of the Wenner Media publishing empire, which also includes Us Weekly, Men’s Journal and Family Life.

    Now with success behind him Mr Wenner boasts that his office in Manhattan is ‘almost the size of a football field’ and owns his own private jet.

    His homes include a 6,300-square-foot, three-story waterfront home in the Hamptons in New York which cost $11.9 million.
    The property has eight-bedrooms, 6½-baths and sits on 1½ acres.
    There is also a $5.8million country home in upstate New York and a ski condo in Sun Valley, Idaho built in the Bavarian Edelweiss style.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053746/Rolling-Stone-founder-Jann-Wenner-finally-divorces-wife-Jane.html

    • Replies: @MIck Jagger gathers no Mosque
    @syonredux

    Behind every successful sodomite is another sodomite sodomising him.

  31. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    What a bunch of loons.

    I did a wiki on Jann Wenner, and it led to Cootie & Blowhard and fat Derogatis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Hootie_and_the_Blowfish_review

    Did a wiki on fat Derogatis, and got Ryan Adams’ message on the answering machine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_DeRogatis#Ryan_Adams

    This is priceless. ROTFL

    PS. In his more sober moments, Wenner seems to have done some good:

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Anon

    Who the hell is Ryan Adams?

  32. The magazine is also facing lawsuits filed by three UVA students and one from the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity.

  33. Pretty sure Jann Wenner is one of those guys born in the right place at the right time and he never ruminated on that curse.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    From Wikipedia:

    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946) is the co-founder and publisher of the popular culture biweekly magazine Rolling Stone, as well as the current owner of Men's Journal and Us Weekly magazines. Born in New York City, Wenner graduated from Chadwick School and later attended the University of California, Berkeley. He dropped out, but while at Berkeley he participated in the Free Speech Movement. Wenner, with his mentor Ralph J. Gleason, co-founded Rolling Stone in 1967 with the help of a loan from family members and his soon to be wife.

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Reg Cæsar

  34. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    Pretty sure Jann Wenner is one of those guys born in the right place at the right time and he never ruminated on that curse.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    From Wikipedia:

    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946) is the co-founder and publisher of the popular culture biweekly magazine Rolling Stone, as well as the current owner of Men’s Journal and Us Weekly magazines. Born in New York City, Wenner graduated from Chadwick School and later attended the University of California, Berkeley. He dropped out, but while at Berkeley he participated in the Free Speech Movement. Wenner, with his mentor Ralph J. Gleason, co-founded Rolling Stone in 1967 with the help of a loan from family members and his soon to be wife.

    • Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    @Steve Sailer

    ...today, he'd be no platformed before being accepted into Berkeley.

    Yes, he captured the weird Californian part of the zeitgeist for his times and now he gets to watch the burial a few generations later. In the end, he personally contributed nothing of value and his whole enterprise was a fad.

    Replies: @Yaqub the mad scientist

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946)

    Born in New York City…

     

    Not the first notable "baby boomer", not even in Berkeley. Susannah McCorkle was born in that city on Jan. 1st. I don't know if she ever appeared in RS, but hers was definitely not their style of music.
  35. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Luke Sellers

    Luke Sellers = Leonard Pitts = Affirmative Action nonentity expert on being black?

    Luke/Leonard: If your career has gotten so bad that you've taken to trolling Unz comments to try to get your hit count up at the Miami Herald, then it's over. Just retire gracefully. Good luck.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @fish
    @Luke Sellers

    At least Leonard is out savaging newspaper shareholders instead of strong arming old lady pensioners on the streets of Miami!

  36. @Steve Sailer
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    From Wikipedia:

    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946) is the co-founder and publisher of the popular culture biweekly magazine Rolling Stone, as well as the current owner of Men's Journal and Us Weekly magazines. Born in New York City, Wenner graduated from Chadwick School and later attended the University of California, Berkeley. He dropped out, but while at Berkeley he participated in the Free Speech Movement. Wenner, with his mentor Ralph J. Gleason, co-founded Rolling Stone in 1967 with the help of a loan from family members and his soon to be wife.

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Reg Cæsar

    …today, he’d be no platformed before being accepted into Berkeley.

    Yes, he captured the weird Californian part of the zeitgeist for his times and now he gets to watch the burial a few generations later. In the end, he personally contributed nothing of value and his whole enterprise was a fad.

    • Replies: @Yaqub the mad scientist
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    ...with an emphasis on Californian. He really pumped a pretty narrow middlebrow view. Back then, only Detroit's punkish Creem and Wenner nemesis Tom Forcade's High Times provided much of an alternative.

  37. “The one thing we didn’t do was confront Jackie’s accusers — the rapists.”

    Is Wenner still arguing that the rape — as described in the article — actually occured? And in what way would the rapists — not “alleged rapists,” but “rapists” — be Jackie’s accusers? Wouldn’t they be the accused?

    I’d love to know more about his perspective on this incident. In my experience, people can get an awfully long way in this world on sociopathic brazenness.

  38. And if he is, why isn’t Coakley a bigger part of this trial?

  39. @Harry Baldwin
    Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner's claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions, @guest, @yowza, @I, Libertine, @ic1000

    Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    In California, there are laws which were crafted to combat insurance companies fucking with claimants, the laws essentially state that if the claimant wins, he/she is entitled to triple the amount owed.

    What the state is saying is, “we’ve found you guilty. you’re to pay what was owed, plus the amount is tripled for thinking you could get away with it.” Arguably, the law has been effective in curbing insurance companies delaying or refusing claims, just because they can. By making the penalty steep, they cannot rationalize being a douchebag as a petty “cost of doing business.” It also creates a high profile example to other cunts who think they can get away with it. Think of it as a distinctive fiducial “stop sign” that even assholes–especially assholes–can understand.

    She deserves $10 million because Rolling Stone magazine, collectively, are stupid cunts who thought they could get away with it. Stupid cunts gotta be learned, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @yowza

    Been a long time since I practiced law but I think you're incorrect about California law. Insurance bad faith carries the prospect of punitive damages, for "oppression," but not triple damages. There is a statute, Civil Code 3345, which permits triple damages for fraud or unfair practices against disabled persons or the elderly. One federal district court, applying California law, did triple the punitive damage award against a disability insurer for bad faith denial of a disability claim. Not sure if that was appealed. I agree with your larger viewpoint, but in practice judges have a rather high threshold of moral outrage. I think Dean Eramo might have gotten her 10 mil in south Texas (where everyone wants to file), but won't in VA.

  40. “The one thing we didn’t do was confront Jackie’s accusers — the rapists.”

    Is Wenner still arguing that the rape — as described in the article — actually occured? And in what way would the rapists — not “alleged rapists,” but “rapists” — be Jackie’s accusers? Wouldn’t they be the accused?

    Bingo.

    To discerning jurists with half a brain, he fucked himself with that remark.

    Judge: Good answer. Suck a dick, and pay the lady, Mr. Wenner.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @yowza

    I don't see how that remark hurts the defendant's case.

    Replies: @EdwardM

  41. @Bugg
    Wenner controls who does and does not get into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame. He has made the point of keeping many popular rock acts out of the Rock"nRoll Hall of Fame. Some got in by fans basically demanding it, as with Kiss, Rush and Neil Diamond. For some acts, that ban still stands, including Deep Purple, Yes and Bon Jovi. And inductees like Steve Miller and Diamond have complained about how crappy the HoF treats them. And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren't really rock at all like Diana Ross, Donna Summer and Run DMC. Now those are all fine musical acts, but they aren't rock. Similar to The Narrative the HoF has tried to sell the idea rock'n'roll has been some kind of diverse multi culti melting pot. Anyone who has been to almost any rock show since the 1970s can tell you otherwise. Now perhaps some major rock figures like Clapton and Jagger have babbled on and on about The Blues (witness Jagger and Martin Scorcese making a mess of that with "Vinyl"). But really simple fact is while Elvis and then the Beatles rock may have jumped off the blues, rock is different and apart form the blues. And it's better. And for better or worse spare Jimi Hendrix it's mostly a white art form. Simply white people pay the freight in rock'n'roll, but that doesn't fit The Narrative.

    Replies: @Anon, @South Texas Guy

    As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form, you are absolutely correct. And you’re right about Motown not being rock. Some people might quibble about Doo Wop (e.g. The Platters, the Drifters, etc.), but that era ended in 1960.
    Early 50s blues is not the same as late 50s stuff by Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis. And although the Rolling Stones took their name from a Muddy Waters tune, they never sounded particularly bluesy to me.

    On another note, Holy Crap! Wenner pays low-level writers $300,000. I’d go back into journalism for that, even if it was working at a crappy magazine with a crappy editor.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @South Texas Guy

    "As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form..."

    As for R&R being most popular with white kids, that was true. But blacks didn't need the crossover music of R&R since their music was rockin' already.

    Even so, the greatest creative genius of R&R was Chuck Berry. Little Richard was a key figure. And we can quibble as to whether Fats Domino was true R&R but he was influential too, along with Ray Charles.

    Also, Rock developed from various influences, and there was no clear dividing line between R&R, pop, soul, Brill Building Jewish song-writing, doowop, surf music, rhythm and blues, honky tonk, folk, Motown, etc, all of which played its role in the development of 60 Rock.

    Replies: @Bugg

  42. OT: apparently this is Joss Whedon’s staggeringly incoherent, cloyingly smug solution to the immigration question: https://twitter.com/SaveTheDayVote/status/791985667404292096

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @robot

    I prefer to think of that as a metaphor for how we fight back against illegal immigration, political corruption and rampant political correctness. I'm pretty sure that's not what Whedon and Tucci intend.

    Not that there's anything wrong with bricks.

    Replies: @robot

  43. @ben tillman

    WENNER:
    But it wasn’t the “media” which killed the Haight.

    GARCIA:
    No. Do you want me to tell you the incident where I thought it started to get weird? I was walking down Haight Street, and all of a sudden in a window was a little notice. It said “Communications Company” – and it was that guy, what’s his name? Chester Anderson! And it was this horrible bummer of a depressing story about some 13-year-old meth freak getting raped by nine spades and smack heads... it was just a bummer. Bad news. This guy took it upon himself to print up bad news and put it up.

    Then he started putting out the whole “Free the Street” trip and he just brought in all this political heavy-handed East Coast hard-edge shit, and painted it on Haight Street, where none of it was...it wasn’t happening like that. It was still groovy. And that was the point where I thought, this scene cannot survive with that idea in there. It just goes all wrong.

    WENNER:
    At that point, Emmett Grogan began The Diggers and associated himself with those people, and they had a press conference...
     

    Somehow, that kind of gang rape is no big deal, or at least not a big enough deal to merit a prominently featured article.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    From Didion’s Slouching Towards Bethlehem.

    Chester Anderson is a legacy of the Beat Generation, a man in his middle thirties whose peculiar hold on the District derives from his possession of a mimeograph machine, on which he prints communiqués signed “the communication company.” It is another tenet of the official District mythology that the communication company will print anything anybody has to say, but in fact Chester Anderson prints only what he writes himself, agrees with, or considers harmless or dead matter. His statements, which are left in piles and pasted on windows around Haight Street, are regarded with some apprehension in the District and with considerable interest by outsiders, who study them, like China watchers, for subtle shifts in obscure ideologies. An Anderson communiqué might be doing something as specific as fingering someone who is said to have set up a marijuana bust, or it might be working in a more general vein:

    “Pretty little 16-year-old middle-class chick comes to the Haight to see what it’s all about & gets picked up by a 17-year-old street dealer who spends all day shooting her full of speed again & again, then feeds her 3,000 mikes & raffles off her temporarily unemployed body for the biggest Haight Street gangbang since the night before last. The politics and ethics of ecstasy. Rape is as common as bullshit on Haight Street. Kids are starving on the Street. Minds and bodies are being maimed as we watch, a scale model of Vietnam.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous Nephew

    How awful!

  44. Steve,

    my Taki column from earlier this week on the trial

    Perhaps there is a niche for you in trial writing. I am thinking along the lines of Damon Runyon, of Guys and Dolls fame. I read one of the short story collections; at the end were a string of his columns covering the Al Capone trial, and maybe the “Trial of the Century” murder (but maybe I’m combining stuff from the memoirs of Irwin S Cobb with the Runyon book).

    A side note to the galley – I’ve found that my cynicism towards the press in general is greatly assisted by reading memoirs of newspapermen. Irwin S. Cobb and HL Mencken were both influential editors, and Runyon a very popular columnist. John T Flynn as well. The descriptions of how the “war correspondents” (intentional air quotes) wrote back from the front are hilarious, in a cynical way.

    I never knew that Runyon was a baseball beat guy as well – yet another thing in common with our host!

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/apr/2/20050402-111005-7724r/

  45. @yowza

    “The one thing we didn’t do was confront Jackie’s accusers — the rapists.”

    Is Wenner still arguing that the rape — as described in the article — actually occured? And in what way would the rapists — not “alleged rapists,” but “rapists” — be Jackie’s accusers? Wouldn’t they be the accused?
     
    Bingo.

    To discerning jurists with half a brain, he fucked himself with that remark.

    Judge: Good answer. Suck a dick, and pay the lady, Mr. Wenner.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    I don’t see how that remark hurts the defendant’s case.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Opinionator

    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous -- a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.

    Replies: @yowza

  46. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    10m for Eramo herself is excessive but it’s not enough of a punishment for RS. They really need to be shut down.

  47. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Also, what about the falsely accused fraternity? They certainly deserve damages and apologies too.

  48. Rolling Stone is Going to Attend a Crash Landing

    Matt Taibbi is a great writer at RS. Tom Wolfe wrote for RS, P. J. O’Rourke did, as did DF Wallace, and numerous others – Ellen Willis, Bob Christgau, Paul Nelson (the most underrated of all in my row).

    But all in all, the magazine seems to lose it’s grit and the Erdely-Coakley-hoax is a very telling example.

    Jann s. Wenner confirms the importance of this journalistic desaster – without getting the full story so to speak:

    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.

    The Erdel-Coakley-hoax is an example of a sympomatic failure in nowadays mindset: Narzissism gone over the top while shortcircuiting with therapeutic settings. If things like that happen, erverybody watches out for “traumas” and “fallout” and the like: The spoiled crew becomes whiney – and their Boss – – instead of fihting against this sweet poison of elf-rightousness taken to the extreme, enforces the downfall by applauding the maraudest parts of it – now saying the Erdely-Coakley-hoax was no hoax at all.

    The greatest threat to idealism is reality – Steve Sailer is right in pointing this out again and again.

    If you loose “touch with reality” (Jackson Browne in – Cocaine) then that’s exactly where rationalisation kicks in – which can be funny, but becomes very boring very often – and most of the time: All too soon. There were good reasons, young Freud kicked his cocaine-habits.

    Freud in heaven might even be a little bit disturbed, that everything still works out according to his plan. Where, he might think every once in a while, is the fun in it, if heaven turns out to have the same restraints as culture itself – yielding comparable discomfort. Then he thinks again about culture and discomfort. Maybe it was not right at all to seek pleasure, he hears a noble-literate’s thoughts blowing through the air, because pleasure causes pain. Freud smiles and turns to Micheangelo – Michelangelo, who’s read his mind, smiles back at him.

    But such is the life – and afterlife – of the genius. Flying very high without being a genius causes still trouble – “don’t try to fly too high, / you might not come down…” (BJH)

    “Ladies and gentlemen, (RS) is going to attend a crash landing”. (Laurie Anderson – Big Science)

  49. This story served an unintentional great purpose and that was to shatter the purity of the social justice narrative that left countless careers ruined as it made a dead sprint to the left from 2011-2014. People began questioning things more after this article, especially the dystopian rules being instated at taxpayer funded universities. $10 million seems like a reasonable amount and honestly Rolling Stone should be Gawker’d. I don’t see anyone taking the magazine seriously anyway. Wenner’s only real regret is that he got caught and it’s unlikely this was the only story that Rolling Stone fabricated over the years.

  50. “I’m very, very sorry,” he said, then added quickly, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.”

    This is a tell of a sociopath: warped belief that a major catastrophe happening to someone else is properly equated with their own personal embarrassment and discomfort.

    Wenner isn’t being glib or insulting on purpose; he truly does think that having his magazine’s shoddy reporting exposed and ridiculed is the exact same as someone being falsely accused of rape and being threatened and attacked and blackballed by large groups of people. He’s that selfish and messed up. It’s no wonder Wenner felt ok promoting degeneracy all those decades, or felt justified in posting a picture of a terrorist posed as a rock star on his cover. His values are all screwed up.

    The Anonymous Conservative once showed how Mike Wallace was a sociopath. Wallace called the worst moment of his life as when he was sued for libel, and had to sit in court listening to the case against him. Keep in mind that this libel case occurred after Wallace had personally discovered the body of his dead son, who had fallen off a cliff.

    Yet Mike Wallace considered the libel case against him much worse than his child’s accidental death and his discover of it. That’s how sociopathic he was: his own discomfort was far worse than the death of his young son. (read the account by Anonymous Conservative here: http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/touching-the-raw-amygdala-part-iii-mike-wallaces-amygdala-on-overload/)

    Sociopaths have their internal values systems all out of whack. Whatever misfortune befalls them is far worse in their minds than anything that befalls anyone else. Their self-centeredness rules all. And Leftists like Wenner are by far the most likely to be sociopaths.

  51. OT
    How Podesta got hacked: ‘Password’ email revealed in WikiLeaks dump

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/how-podesta-got-hacked-password-email-revealed-in-wikileaks-dump.html
    October 29, 2016 FoxNews.com
    WikiLeaks has released what may be the key email that led to one of the biggest cybersecurity breaches in presidential campaign history — allowing hackers to gain access to Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta’s Gmail account.

    A new email thread released Friday shows Podesta got a March 19 email from “Google” notifying him someone had his “password” and tried to sign in from Ukraine.

    The IT team told Podesta the message was legit and he should change his password. But it appears the email actually was a phishing ploy – and likely gave the world access to the contents of his account.

    In the new batch of emails leaked Friday, Podesta’s assistant Sara Latham forwarded the “Google” email to Charles Delavan, a Clinton campaign IT official, to see if it was real.

    Delavan told her that it was a “legitimate email.”

    “John needs to change his password immediately, and ensure that two-factor authentication is turned on his account … It is absolutely imperative that this is done ASAP,” he wrote, sharing a Google link where he could change his password.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Clyde

    OMG!

    Rule number one in any internet situation is NEVER share information via a link which is sent to you. Not your name, address, password...nothing.

    I had a phone solicitation where they offered me free merchandise. So far, so good. They wanted me to confirm my phone number. I said, you called me, you already have it. They said, we just need your confirmation...which I refused to give.

    These people take your confirmation of the phone number as permission to charge to your account. To me, there's no difference in the fraud at all, but that's the way they play their game.

    So, never give information via a link you receive, and never give information on a phone call you didn't initiate to a known number. Don't confirm anything, even the phone number they just called.

    I'll go you one further. Never even click on a link you aren't sure of, but if you do, and it asks for permission to continue, you're in the wrong place and need to shut the page down.

  52. OT–knickers-twisting while money-making:

    https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/28/facebook-enables-advertisers-to-exclude-users-by-ethnic-affinit/

    Facebook enables advertisers to exclude users by ‘ethnic affinity’

    It lets them target relevant users, but discrimination is forbidden.

  53. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    @Steve Sailer

    ...today, he'd be no platformed before being accepted into Berkeley.

    Yes, he captured the weird Californian part of the zeitgeist for his times and now he gets to watch the burial a few generations later. In the end, he personally contributed nothing of value and his whole enterprise was a fad.

    Replies: @Yaqub the mad scientist

    …with an emphasis on Californian. He really pumped a pretty narrow middlebrow view. Back then, only Detroit’s punkish Creem and Wenner nemesis Tom Forcade’s High Times provided much of an alternative.

  54. “They are always the biggest victims even when they have willfully harmed others. They have absolutely no concern about the impact of their actions on others. True sociopaths with mental illness and cruelty as the norm.”

    The Joo cries when HE hits YOU.

  55. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Former Australian Miss Universe Jenifer Hawkins refuses to go along with the media’s narrative of her being ‘sexually humiliated’ by Donald Trump…

    Video shows Donald Trump humiliate Jennifer Hawkins during speech in Sydney

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/video-shows-donald-trump-humiliate-jennifer-hawkins-during-speech-in-sydney/news-story/059b63f6b934813e96a98ca2a97fbc80

    JENNIFER Hawkins says Donald Trump has always been “respectful” to her, despite the emergence of a video showing the US presidential hopeful making the Australian model the butt of his jokes.
    “Just on that whole subject, Donald and his family I have to say, have always been respectful to me,” the 32-year-old told News Corp Australia at Derby Day racing celebrations in Melbourne today…

  56. @Harry Baldwin
    Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner's claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions, @guest, @yowza, @I, Libertine, @ic1000

    Well stated.

  57. Anonymous [AKA "Vey"] says:

    Silverman must be talking about Jimmy Kimmel flying the American flag.

    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”

    With regard to Mel Gibson’s anti-semitism, “Jews, Jews loved that, because it’s something that you can point to, and not just this gas in the air.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Jewish nationalism being an obvious exception.....


    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism.....

    Replies: @kihowi, @fish, @Jack D

    , @bored identity
    @Anonymous




    '...She had just begun a $300,000 writing contract.
    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said...."


     
    Then maybe you shouldn't hire natural born malcontents, that are already damaged with a factory prewired Mittel-European Neurosis circuitry....

    Oh, I forgot that Wenner just can't do such a thing because of the old Lateeno “Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres” curse of action .
    , @yowza
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Nihilist gays love nihilist manic-depressive JAPs. They can happily bend each other's ears all day.

    There's good reason Sarah will wind up an old fag-hag spinster. What psychologically normal straight white male could listen to her shrill unselfconscious negative lame rants day in, and day out, as her demure 17-year-old cheerleader looks fade into that of a mean old waitress at Canter's?

    She doesn't even state her "anti-racist" rants well. I'm sure intelligent jews wince around her. Here's Sarah making an ass out of herself while defending using the word "chink" to a chinese person. Talk about "arrogance and ignorance" on parade:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNoO8xMs04

    A marriage to Sarah Silverman is the definition of hell on earth. Career-wise, she'll be the comedienne they call when their budget is limited, or they can't get Kathy Griffin. The woman has smoked way too much pot, and her dank brain is running on cannabis fumes.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  58. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Sure, $10M is much more than she needs to be fairly compensated. But it’s obvious this a$$ cavity Wenner still doesn’t get it, and never will. The ‘rapists’ are the accusers. Punitives are necessary to slap this idiot in the face.

  59. @robot
    OT: apparently this is Joss Whedon's staggeringly incoherent, cloyingly smug solution to the immigration question: https://twitter.com/SaveTheDayVote/status/791985667404292096

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    I prefer to think of that as a metaphor for how we fight back against illegal immigration, political corruption and rampant political correctness. I’m pretty sure that’s not what Whedon and Tucci intend.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with bricks.

    • Replies: @robot
    @Cloudbuster

    I don't understand. You've found a coherent interpretation that isn't "Vote Hillary and the wolves will turn vegan"?

  60. @Luke Sellers
    Right wingers are crazy

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article111188367.html

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @fish

    Luke Sellers = Leonard Pitts = Affirmative Action nonentity expert on being black?

    Luke/Leonard: If your career has gotten so bad that you’ve taken to trolling Unz comments to try to get your hit count up at the Miami Herald, then it’s over. Just retire gracefully. Good luck.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Almost Missouri

    I bit, and read the article. What a mis-mash of concern trolling, projection, and crowing about an expected political victory after which he is going to shoot the captives and desecrate the corpses.

    We find ourselves a nation that cannot have meaningful discussion of its issues because some of us have pulled away from the center, from common cause and shared mission, choosing instead to dwell in a pestilential swamp where newspaper hacks collude with presidents...

    Yeah, I know what he means.

  61. @Harry Baldwin
    Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Wenner's claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    Replies: @Lord Jeff Sessions, @guest, @yowza, @I, Libertine, @ic1000

    “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.”

    These are the exact words* that District Attorney Mike Nifong uttered to the three falsely-accused students after the wheels came off the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax.

    While Nifong successfully won re-election on the tailwind of SJW and black-solidarity votes, he was eventually disbarred. Notwithstanding that, the episode offers plenty of comfort to Team Narrative. Enthusiastic hoax enablers were a dime a dozen at Duke (faculty, top administrators, students), in the local Progressive and Feminist communities, and in the prestige press. None of them faced diminished social status or crimped career opportunities — and some professors parlayed their stand with the Group of 88 into promotions.

    (* and if they weren’t, they could have been)

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @ic1000

    President Donald J. Trump is part of the price that the perpetrators and enablers of the UVA & Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax get to reap. I am sure that the "11 women to come forward" would have had a much greater impact had we not already have become educated and inured to this type of feminist attack. The fact that Hillary Clinton's (the first credible female Presidential candidate) October surprise take down shot was to use the same tactic should be seen as a moment when 2nd wave feminism ended.

  62. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: “regular folks” who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won’t say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Olorin


    I won’t say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.
     
    Lock her in a 6'x6' room with Anthony Weiner's texts projected on to the wall, day in day out, for the rest of her life. A Groundhog Day of penises.
    , @snorlax
    @Olorin

    Jackie is a very silly, very troubled girl of the kind with a pathological need to always be At the Center of Attention. Normal people simply ignore them, which is punishment enough for that type.

    I save my opprobrium for her enablers, who should have known better. The mentally ill cannot be blamed for becoming more deeply delusional when they see their delusions praised and validated by authority figures.

    The Jackies of the world are harmless in the absence of enablers. Silly girly-girls who tell each other about their future careers as a TV actress and the ups and downs of their long-distance relationship with Liam Hemsworth, are pretty low on scale of stuff that ought to concern anyone. They grow up and buy lots of cats and watch soap operas.

    It's the interaction with and amplification by the far more dangerous and sophisticated delusions of the Megaphone that's the problem.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Bill Jones
    @Olorin

    One of the Scandi counties (Denmark?) sets fines for traffic offences etc as a fraction of income.

    Replies: @CJ

    , @27 year old
    @Olorin

    >To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    That's not about the equivalent. That's not even close. That's not even in the same universe. An 800 dollar fine is a big fucking deal to somebody making 52,000 a year. For starters, many people in that income bracket straight do not have $800 in savings available to pay the fine. Out of curiosity, what was your Charles Murray "I live in an elitist bubble" score?

    , @ben tillman
    @Olorin


    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.
     

    More like fining a person with a $52,000 income $8. It's virtually nothing.
  63. @ATX Hipster

    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said.
     
    What he means by "the quality of their work had slipped" is that they were marginally less willing to libel innocent people in service of The Narrative because they thought there might actually be consequences.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @NOTA

    I wonder how many writers decided it would be better for their reputations not to be associated with Rolling Stone.

    • Replies: @Zach
    @NOTA

    Wenner has driven away writers at least since the late 1970s when Mick Jagger and Bob Dylan complained about unfavorable reviews of their albums and Wenner personally wrote favorable re-reviews of their albums. Perhaps Jeff Bezos will do the same at the Post if Trump wins.

  64. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy
    @Bugg

    As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form, you are absolutely correct. And you're right about Motown not being rock. Some people might quibble about Doo Wop (e.g. The Platters, the Drifters, etc.), but that era ended in 1960.
    Early 50s blues is not the same as late 50s stuff by Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis. And although the Rolling Stones took their name from a Muddy Waters tune, they never sounded particularly bluesy to me.

    On another note, Holy Crap! Wenner pays low-level writers $300,000. I'd go back into journalism for that, even if it was working at a crappy magazine with a crappy editor.

    Replies: @Anon

    “As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form…”

    As for R&R being most popular with white kids, that was true. But blacks didn’t need the crossover music of R&R since their music was rockin’ already.

    Even so, the greatest creative genius of R&R was Chuck Berry. Little Richard was a key figure. And we can quibble as to whether Fats Domino was true R&R but he was influential too, along with Ray Charles.

    Also, Rock developed from various influences, and there was no clear dividing line between R&R, pop, soul, Brill Building Jewish song-writing, doowop, surf music, rhythm and blues, honky tonk, folk, Motown, etc, all of which played its role in the development of 60 Rock.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @Anon

    Berry is a national treasure in no small part because he doesn't play any games. Love that Berry to this day demands getting paid in cold hard cash no matter what the gig. Keith Richards did a documentary about Berry. And Berry didn't play nice, wasn't remotely interested in BSing with Mr. Walking Death or having some happytalk discussion about The Blues. Richards to his great surprise found that his hero Chuck Berry only cared about getting paid. Even punched him in the face.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  65. @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    I won’t say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Lock her in a 6’x6′ room with Anthony Weiner’s texts projected on to the wall, day in day out, for the rest of her life. A Groundhog Day of penises.

  66. @Anon
    The RS article on UVA was all about exposing white male privilege of spoiled jocks.

    But it seems the real sense of glib nasty entitlement prevails among Wenner and crowd.

    This is all the more ironic since RS promotes the kind of trash culture that simplifies everything down to excess, thuggery, hedonism, and sex.

    Replies: @Forbes

    This is all the more ironic since RS promotes the kind of trash culture that simplifies everything down to excess, thuggery, hedonism, and sex.

    I remember buying RS nearly every issue my freshman year for that reason–it justified, rationalized, promoted, what I still call to this day, sex and drugs and rock n’ roll. But the novelty wore off pretty quickly. I don’t think I ever bought or read another issue after that. I think that’s called growing up.

  67. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Pray for 10 million, and be happy if you get 10% of that. Well, 4% of that as your lawyer gets the rest.

  68. @Anon
    @South Texas Guy

    "As far as rock and roll being basically a white art form..."

    As for R&R being most popular with white kids, that was true. But blacks didn't need the crossover music of R&R since their music was rockin' already.

    Even so, the greatest creative genius of R&R was Chuck Berry. Little Richard was a key figure. And we can quibble as to whether Fats Domino was true R&R but he was influential too, along with Ray Charles.

    Also, Rock developed from various influences, and there was no clear dividing line between R&R, pop, soul, Brill Building Jewish song-writing, doowop, surf music, rhythm and blues, honky tonk, folk, Motown, etc, all of which played its role in the development of 60 Rock.

    Replies: @Bugg

    Berry is a national treasure in no small part because he doesn’t play any games. Love that Berry to this day demands getting paid in cold hard cash no matter what the gig. Keith Richards did a documentary about Berry. And Berry didn’t play nice, wasn’t remotely interested in BSing with Mr. Walking Death or having some happytalk discussion about The Blues. Richards to his great surprise found that his hero Chuck Berry only cared about getting paid. Even punched him in the face.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Bugg

    Richards was lucky. There are worse things Berry liked/likes to do in the faces of white people, white women that is.

  69. Sarah Silverman is Exhibit A of what happens to FORMERLY hot chicks. They get look at me attention by being SJW. The fatal flaw of women is the desire for attention from men, constantly, but only the “right kind” of man.

    Silverman’s rage and anti-White male anger is directly proportional to the amount of semi-Alpha dudes who glance at her and visibly think “she might have been something, 15-20 years ago.”

  70. @Opinionator
    @yowza

    I don't see how that remark hurts the defendant's case.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous — a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.

    • Replies: @yowza
    @EdwardM


    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous — a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.
     
    Exactly.

    Wenner doubled-down because he misguidedly intended to impress upon jurists that he absolutely believed the boys were rapists. His attorney's must have shit their pants when he said that.

    What you believe, as a defendant in a slander/libel case is irrelevant.

    It's not about what you believe, it's about what you can prove.

    And you're right. Wenner's pathology made the UVA students case even easier. If I were one of the students with a pending lawsuit against him, I'd feel extremely confident in my rosy financial future. Wenner is gonna get hosed. I hope it's 10 million apiece.

    Replies: @verylongaccountname

  71. @ATX Hipster
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    $10m may be excessive, but the amount should punitive well beyond any actual damages suffered by Ms. Eramo. Rolling Stone has tremendous leverage in a head-to-head with a private citizen and a supposed obligation to journalistic ethics.

    Ultimately I have about as much sympathy for Rolling Stone as I did for Gawker... none.

    Replies: @Nico

    I also thought of Gawker. Where is Thiel when you need him??

  72. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    @Harry Baldwin


    Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level
     
    I mean c'mon, $10 million dollars seems a little excessive. She still has her job, and her name has been cleared, not that I have much sympathy for Rolling Stone either.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @wrd9, @Percy Gryce, @Anon, @Pericles, @I, Libertine, @Olorin, @Tracy, @Eric Novak

    Punitive damages are excessive by intent. They are how the media is restrained from wrecking lives for profit. Rolling Stone deserves Gawker’s fate. Wenner is grotesque narcissistic scum.

  73. @NOTA
    @ATX Hipster

    I wonder how many writers decided it would be better for their reputations not to be associated with Rolling Stone.

    Replies: @Zach

    Wenner has driven away writers at least since the late 1970s when Mick Jagger and Bob Dylan complained about unfavorable reviews of their albums and Wenner personally wrote favorable re-reviews of their albums. Perhaps Jeff Bezos will do the same at the Post if Trump wins.

  74. @Percy Gryce
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Rolling Stone has spent more than $10 million on the premiums for its libel insurance in the last few decades.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    There’s actually something called “libel insurance?”

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Neoconned

    Yes, of course, it's a major source of business risk for media operations:

    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/media-liability-insurance

  75. Second Rule of SJWs: SJWs always double down.

    Haha, this.

    Wenner’s claim that, “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have,” is revealing. Nicole Eramo suffered because she was falsely accused and her defamed at a national level. Wenner suffered because in irresponsibly launching the false accusation, he has damaged his professional reputation. Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.

    The poofter cries out in pain as he beats you?

    Also, what about the falsely accused fraternity? They certainly deserve damages and apologies too.

    Why, that’s sounds like a capital idea. Just capital. 🙂

    This is a tell of a sociopath: warped belief that a major catastrophe happening to someone else is properly equated with their own personal embarrassment and discomfort.

    You can carve that in stone and mount it outside the Rolling Stone offices. 100% accurate. The guy doesn’t know not to say that, so, high in sociopathy.

    Re Mike Wallace: yikes.

  76. @Anon
    @Bugg

    "And all the while the HoF has been inducting acts that aren’t really rock at all like Diana Ross"

    Rock is a big tent. And Ross is supreme.

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    Diana Ross and Hall of Fame inductee Madonna are rock or even an influence on rock by nobody’s standards.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Eric Novak

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/24/motown-really-had-a-hold-on-the-beatles/

  77. @Cloudbuster
    @robot

    I prefer to think of that as a metaphor for how we fight back against illegal immigration, political corruption and rampant political correctness. I'm pretty sure that's not what Whedon and Tucci intend.

    Not that there's anything wrong with bricks.

    Replies: @robot

    I don’t understand. You’ve found a coherent interpretation that isn’t “Vote Hillary and the wolves will turn vegan”?

  78. @Anonymous
    Silverman must be talking about Jimmy Kimmel flying the American flag.

    "Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past."

    With regard to Mel Gibson's anti-semitism, "Jews, Jews loved that, because it’s something that you can point to, and not just this gas in the air.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yCdstxwO8

    Replies: @syonredux, @bored identity, @yowza

    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”

    Jewish nationalism being an obvious exception…..

    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism…..

    • Replies: @kihowi
    @syonredux


    “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism”
     
    Living in the pc age means rediscovering and forgetting what to your ancestors was common knowledge, over and over and over again.
    , @fish
    @syonredux


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. ....."
     
    Funny that she was completely comfortable offering "other" things to Shelly Adelson.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/sarah-silverman-indecent-proposal-romney_n_1676669.html

    To paraphrase Chris Rock....."I guess that's just how you was raised".
    , @Jack D
    @syonredux


    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism…..
     
    Before 1933, there were a lot of German Jews who were enthusiastic German nationalists. Most Jews had nothing against nationalism (and many Jews were not that into Zionism - they thought they already HAD a nation, the one they were living in) until a certain fellow with a mustache convinced them otherwise. The first breaking point was the Dreyfus trial - it dawned on Herzl that the Jews were never going to be accepted in Europe no matter what they did (Dreyfus had been a model French patriot) but not everyone agreed with him immediately. Mustache guy convinced most of the skeptics - at least the ones who survived.

    America presents a different case. There is no ancient tradition of Antisemitism in America. No pogroms, no extermination camps - not even close. There was, starting mostly in the 20th century (when the big mass of shtetl Jews showed up) a certain amount of social and job discrimination, but no worse than say the Italian immigrants endured (Luigi wasn't getting into the Merion Cricket Club either). So American Jews flatter themselves when they pretend to be suffering or in danger, when they have Anne Frank fantasies, etc.

    After the war, my father worked in a butcher shop in St. Louis and one day one of his customers, knowing that he was a survivor, told him, "you know, we also suffered in the US during the war - meat was rationed and you could only buy a few lbs. every week." This to a man who had lived on the concentration camp starvation diet of watery rutabaga soup (he never ate a rutabaga again for the rest of his life). My father told me this story many decades later, so the cluelessness of American Jews (and of Americans in general), their blessed detachment from real suffering and hardship in this land of plenty, really had an impact on him.

    This connects back to Wenner's statement - “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.” Anyone who says anything like this to a real victim is at minimum a narcissist if not a psychopath.
  79. @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    Jackie is a very silly, very troubled girl of the kind with a pathological need to always be At the Center of Attention. Normal people simply ignore them, which is punishment enough for that type.

    I save my opprobrium for her enablers, who should have known better. The mentally ill cannot be blamed for becoming more deeply delusional when they see their delusions praised and validated by authority figures.

    The Jackies of the world are harmless in the absence of enablers. Silly girly-girls who tell each other about their future careers as a TV actress and the ups and downs of their long-distance relationship with Liam Hemsworth, are pretty low on scale of stuff that ought to concern anyone. They grow up and buy lots of cats and watch soap operas.

    It’s the interaction with and amplification by the far more dangerous and sophisticated delusions of the Megaphone that’s the problem.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @snorlax


    a pathological need to always be At the Center of Attention
     
    Apt comment. The drama queen is standard and prevalent, yet these "professional journalists" shamelessly exploited one to justify a story for the narrative.
  80. @Steve Sailer
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball

    From Wikipedia:

    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946) is the co-founder and publisher of the popular culture biweekly magazine Rolling Stone, as well as the current owner of Men's Journal and Us Weekly magazines. Born in New York City, Wenner graduated from Chadwick School and later attended the University of California, Berkeley. He dropped out, but while at Berkeley he participated in the Free Speech Movement. Wenner, with his mentor Ralph J. Gleason, co-founded Rolling Stone in 1967 with the help of a loan from family members and his soon to be wife.

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Reg Cæsar

    Jann Simon Wenner (born January 7, 1946)

    Born in New York City…

    Not the first notable “baby boomer”, not even in Berkeley. Susannah McCorkle was born in that city on Jan. 1st. I don’t know if she ever appeared in RS, but hers was definitely not their style of music.

  81. @Anon
    What a bunch of loons.

    I did a wiki on Jann Wenner, and it led to Cootie & Blowhard and fat Derogatis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Wenner#Hootie_and_the_Blowfish_review

    Did a wiki on fat Derogatis, and got Ryan Adams' message on the answering machine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_DeRogatis#Ryan_Adams

    This is priceless. ROTFL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTUXBbaFjE

    PS. In his more sober moments, Wenner seems to have done some good:

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    Who the hell is Ryan Adams?

  82. On the same subject, Donald Trump’s accusers are beauty queens, porn actresses, and other such members of opportunistic trades.

    Bill’s (and Hill’s) are rank-and-file Democrats once working or volunteering for him.

    So which of these two classes of women do Democrats expect us to believe are more credible? Sure says a lot!

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Reg Cæsar


    On the same subject, Donald Trump’s accusers are beauty queens, porn actresses, and other such members of opportunistic trades.
     
    The video itself had Trump making some pretty egregious remarks. You didn't have to take anyone's word for it.

    So, anyone who wants Trump to be the Pope as well as the President, and who wants a totally flawless person as leader, will be sorely disappointed.

    Would a person without a strong narcissism and a strong drive for success have been able to succeed to the extent Trump has so far? I think not. But, once elected President, his constituency will not be able to just assume he's going to carry all the weight. It's much better if he knows that his success in history depends not only on the election but on the performance.

    Megyn Kelly asked Michael Moore if the Wikileaks made any difference in his support for Hillary, and he said "No. I focus on the big issues."

    I agree. The issue of Trump's good taste takes third place to the future of the country.

    Replies: @Questionator

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wenner as a Jewish closet-homo had cultural and even intellectual value as part of counter-culture. They had something to challenge and oppose. The Man.
    As such, Wenner even seems to have valued conservative contrarian voices.

    Wiki says he appreciated PJ Rourke-turned-conservative and Tom Wolfe(prolly not least because even a Lib Homo Jew could see what NY was turning into as the result of black crime and black politics).

    But times have changed. People like Wenner are in seats of power and influence, but they are still stuck in ‘victim’ mode. They used to rebuke the culture of witch-hunt of folks who admired McCarthy, but now they hunting for witches.

    Ironically, Wenner, who could appreciate Tom Wolfe’s satiric vision of delusional and devious America, turned into yet another bogus seeker of the Great White Defendant or Great White Grope.

    So many of his kind went from free thinkers to controllers of thought.

    The idea of being a thought criminal was once ‘cool’. Now, it means your mind must be locked up. In contrast, lunatics like Erderly and Jackie are allowed to run free in the Narrative. Clamp down on thought criminals, and let loose the thought lunatics.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    Someone should do a nice excel spreadsheet for our current and recent past elites and influencers. I'd like to quickly see how many are Jewish, homosexual, liberal, etc. What percent of cultural damage is done by the sexually confused or perverted?

  84. “There must be someplace, somewhere, where evil white men are doing evil things. And I stand by my quixotic quest to bring these evil white men to justice, even if they are not guilty. Because white men must be guilty, because they are white men. And because I am a noble Jewish man in pursuit of the truth, I will hunt them to the ends of the Earth.”

    Mr. Wenner

  85. Nothing more sad than a senile (((silver-spoon revolutionary.)))

  86. @syonredux

    The founder of Rolling Stone has finally divorced his wife of 43 years, two decades after they split so he could begin a new life as a gay man.
    Jann and Jane Wenner have formally gone their separate ways with a secret multimillion dollar settlement that paves the way for him to get married to his long term boyfriend.
    When the divorce was first announced this summer speculation was rife it would cause the break-up of the Wenner Media publishing empire, which also includes Us Weekly, Men’s Journal and Family Life.

     


    Now with success behind him Mr Wenner boasts that his office in Manhattan is ‘almost the size of a football field’ and owns his own private jet.
     

    His homes include a 6,300-square-foot, three-story waterfront home in the Hamptons in New York which cost $11.9 million.
    The property has eight-bedrooms, 6½-baths and sits on 1½ acres.
    There is also a $5.8million country home in upstate New York and a ski condo in Sun Valley, Idaho built in the Bavarian Edelweiss style.

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053746/Rolling-Stone-founder-Jann-Wenner-finally-divorces-wife-Jane.html

    Replies: @MIck Jagger gathers no Mosque

    Behind every successful sodomite is another sodomite sodomising him.

    • LOL: fish
  87. LOL

    http://www.jimdero.com/News2003/Dec15Adams.htm

    It’s too bad Rolling Stone got rid of fat Derogatis.

    Once RS became an establishment publication and once pop music went from critical appreciation to pop idol fandom, it would bound to lose its edge.
    No more harsh criticism.

  88. OT: Not widely talked about, but Hillary’s brother, Tony Rodham, is a procurer of E5-B visas, much like Khizr Khan. He got them for investors in a company formerly headed by Clinton operative (and now governor of Virginia) Terry McAuliffe.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tony-rodham-hillary-clinton-visas-EB5/2015/04/06/id/636721/

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/report-terry-mcauliffe-tony-rodham-received-unprecedented-favoritism-from-dhs/

    It might be interesting to check the list of people for whom Tony Rodham obtained visas against a list of people who contributed to the Clinton Foundation / Clinton Global Initiative / Clinton Library.

  89. “’I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,’ he[Wenner] said.”

    So rape victims, who apparently number in the millions on college campuses, need not apply.

  90. @Clyde
    OT
    How Podesta got hacked: 'Password' email revealed in WikiLeaks dump

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/how-podesta-got-hacked-password-email-revealed-in-wikileaks-dump.html
    October 29, 2016 FoxNews.com
    WikiLeaks has released what may be the key email that led to one of the biggest cybersecurity breaches in presidential campaign history -- allowing hackers to gain access to Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta’s Gmail account.

    A new email thread released Friday shows Podesta got a March 19 email from “Google” notifying him someone had his "password" and tried to sign in from Ukraine.

    The IT team told Podesta the message was legit and he should change his password. But it appears the email actually was a phishing ploy – and likely gave the world access to the contents of his account.

    In the new batch of emails leaked Friday, Podesta’s assistant Sara Latham forwarded the "Google" email to Charles Delavan, a Clinton campaign IT official, to see if it was real.

    Delavan told her that it was a “legitimate email.”

    “John needs to change his password immediately, and ensure that two-factor authentication is turned on his account … It is absolutely imperative that this is done ASAP,” he wrote, sharing a Google link where he could change his password.
     

    Replies: @RonaldB

    OMG!

    Rule number one in any internet situation is NEVER share information via a link which is sent to you. Not your name, address, password…nothing.

    I had a phone solicitation where they offered me free merchandise. So far, so good. They wanted me to confirm my phone number. I said, you called me, you already have it. They said, we just need your confirmation…which I refused to give.

    These people take your confirmation of the phone number as permission to charge to your account. To me, there’s no difference in the fraud at all, but that’s the way they play their game.

    So, never give information via a link you receive, and never give information on a phone call you didn’t initiate to a known number. Don’t confirm anything, even the phone number they just called.

    I’ll go you one further. Never even click on a link you aren’t sure of, but if you do, and it asks for permission to continue, you’re in the wrong place and need to shut the page down.

  91. So much of the counter culture in the RS hey day was tearing down traditional culture which as an easy target. Now it has moved into a sort of activism that is much more existentially threatening. Mocking, ridicule, and poz culture is one thing but when you falsely accuse someone or something of rape, expect a push back. The RS needs to go back to covering rock stars and drugs.

  92. @Reg Cæsar
    On the same subject, Donald Trump's accusers are beauty queens, porn actresses, and other such members of opportunistic trades.

    Bill's (and Hill's) are rank-and-file Democrats once working or volunteering for him.

    So which of these two classes of women do Democrats expect us to believe are more credible? Sure says a lot!

    Replies: @RonaldB

    On the same subject, Donald Trump’s accusers are beauty queens, porn actresses, and other such members of opportunistic trades.

    The video itself had Trump making some pretty egregious remarks. You didn’t have to take anyone’s word for it.

    So, anyone who wants Trump to be the Pope as well as the President, and who wants a totally flawless person as leader, will be sorely disappointed.

    Would a person without a strong narcissism and a strong drive for success have been able to succeed to the extent Trump has so far? I think not. But, once elected President, his constituency will not be able to just assume he’s going to carry all the weight. It’s much better if he knows that his success in history depends not only on the election but on the performance.

    Megyn Kelly asked Michael Moore if the Wikileaks made any difference in his support for Hillary, and he said “No. I focus on the big issues.”

    I agree. The issue of Trump’s good taste takes third place to the future of the country.

    • Replies: @Questionator
    @RonaldB

    The video itself had Trump making some pretty egregious remarks. You didn’t have to take anyone’s word for it.

    What was "egregious" about them?

  93. @ic1000
    @Harry Baldwin

    “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.”

    These are the exact words* that District Attorney Mike Nifong uttered to the three falsely-accused students after the wheels came off the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax.

    While Nifong successfully won re-election on the tailwind of SJW and black-solidarity votes, he was eventually disbarred. Notwithstanding that, the episode offers plenty of comfort to Team Narrative. Enthusiastic hoax enablers were a dime a dozen at Duke (faculty, top administrators, students), in the local Progressive and Feminist communities, and in the prestige press. None of them faced diminished social status or crimped career opportunities -- and some professors parlayed their stand with the Group of 88 into promotions.

    (* and if they weren't, they could have been)

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    President Donald J. Trump is part of the price that the perpetrators and enablers of the UVA & Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax get to reap. I am sure that the “11 women to come forward” would have had a much greater impact had we not already have become educated and inured to this type of feminist attack. The fact that Hillary Clinton’s (the first credible female Presidential candidate) October surprise take down shot was to use the same tactic should be seen as a moment when 2nd wave feminism ended.

  94. @Anonymous
    Silverman must be talking about Jimmy Kimmel flying the American flag.

    "Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past."

    With regard to Mel Gibson's anti-semitism, "Jews, Jews loved that, because it’s something that you can point to, and not just this gas in the air.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yCdstxwO8

    Replies: @syonredux, @bored identity, @yowza

    ‘…She had just begun a $300,000 writing contract.
    Mr. Wenner said that the quality of their work had slipped, in part because of fallout from the article.

    I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,” he said….”

    Then maybe you shouldn’t hire natural born malcontents, that are already damaged with a factory prewired Mittel-European Neurosis circuitry….

    Oh, I forgot that Wenner just can’t do such a thing because of the old Lateeno “Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres” curse of action .

  95. Smells like Sailer-bait:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/james-comey-broke-with-loretta-lynch-and-justice-department-tradition

    “You don’t do this,” one former senior Justice Department official exclaimed. “It’s aberrational. It violates decades of practice.” The reason, according to the former official, who asked not to be identified because of ongoing cases involving the department, “is because it impugns the integrity and reputation of the candidate, even though there’s no finding by a court, or in this instance even an indictment.”

    But it’s okay if Hillary does it to Trump with a parade of Trumped-up synchronized bimbo eruptions 3 weeks before the election.

    There hasn’t been an election like this in a long, long, time.

    Now, all of a sudden, the media’s gone all British Ruling Class on us; “harrumph! Well, I never. It’s just not done. Not cricket.”

    Four years ago, then Attorney General Eric Holder formalized this practice in a memo to all Justice Department employees.

    “Harrumph! This has been the Hussein Dynasty’s decree for lo, these many 4 years. Comey’s trampling our extremely recent ancient right to politicize the law!”

    But when asked whether Comey had followed these guidelines and consulted with the Public Integrity Section, or with any other department officials, Kevin Lewis, a deputy director of public affairs for the Justice Department, said, “We have no comment on the matter.”

    Maybe Comey will say, “I don’t recall.”

  96. I didn’t think there was too much more to say about this case — but I was wrong: Jann Wenner is really dumb, and really dishonest.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @eah

    In his sort-of apology, Wenner said, "I hope that this whole thing hadn’t happened but it is, and it’s what we live with.”

    Strangely garbled and inarticulate, in way that reminds me of George W. at his most challenged. I wonder if it was nerves, or embarrassment, or premature senility. This isn't what you would expect of a successful publisher, but maybe he's just a half-wit narcissist who got lucky and rode the tide.

  97. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Jewish nationalism being an obvious exception.....


    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism.....

    Replies: @kihowi, @fish, @Jack D

    “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism”

    Living in the pc age means rediscovering and forgetting what to your ancestors was common knowledge, over and over and over again.

  98. “We did everything reasonable, appropriate up to the highest standards of journalism…”

    Sadly, he’s right about the standards of journalism.

  99. @RonaldB
    @Reg Cæsar


    On the same subject, Donald Trump’s accusers are beauty queens, porn actresses, and other such members of opportunistic trades.
     
    The video itself had Trump making some pretty egregious remarks. You didn't have to take anyone's word for it.

    So, anyone who wants Trump to be the Pope as well as the President, and who wants a totally flawless person as leader, will be sorely disappointed.

    Would a person without a strong narcissism and a strong drive for success have been able to succeed to the extent Trump has so far? I think not. But, once elected President, his constituency will not be able to just assume he's going to carry all the weight. It's much better if he knows that his success in history depends not only on the election but on the performance.

    Megyn Kelly asked Michael Moore if the Wikileaks made any difference in his support for Hillary, and he said "No. I focus on the big issues."

    I agree. The issue of Trump's good taste takes third place to the future of the country.

    Replies: @Questionator

    The video itself had Trump making some pretty egregious remarks. You didn’t have to take anyone’s word for it.

    What was “egregious” about them?

  100. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “I cannot run the company with devastated, traumatized people,”

    We are talking about a guy who belongs to a group of a certain ‘sexual’ orientation that insists that all those HIV deaths in the 80s and 90s had everything to do with “Reagan’s Indifference” and nothing to do with whoopie-pee-poo behavior in bathhouses.

    And he also belongs to another group that framed the Bernie Madoff Narrative as “Madoff’s victims are Jews who, btw, deserve the most sympathy because the actions of Bernie and others like him lend credence to the ‘antisemitic’ canard that Jews are disproportionately involved in financial crimes.”

    In our PC world, lies are empowering(if you can get away with it, and Erdely and RS almost did), and truth is ‘traumatizing’.

    It’s like the statement “Bruce Jenner is a nutty guy” is truthfully traumatizing, whereas “Caitlyn Jenner is woman of the year who is courageous for wee-weeing at Trump Tower” is liberating and empowering.

    American Reality is defined by the media that are controlled by the Tribe and Trannies.

  101. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I must say though… the rise of Tranny Politics is the best thing to ever happen because it is turning PC into self-generated farce.

    The sight of all those trannies at colleges driving everyone nuts is something to behold.

    The notion of 50 or 100 or 1000 genders(though some PC-tards say there are NO genders) is something we should play along with.
    It just makes the OTHER SIDE look so tarded. Let all those ‘liberal guys’ choose cuckish genders for themselves.
    The result will be all the Real Men will be on the Right Side, and that is good.

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @Anon

    One of the links on the transman Williamson arrested for theft, assault, and false reporting to the police leads to yet another likely hate crime hoax.

    "Prior to enrolling at the UofT, Williamson was a student at the St. Anne Catholic High School in Belle River Ontario...[In] December 2015 there was an incident at the school where an unknown person(s) spray painted offensive messages that “targeted the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.” Williamson was a member of the school’s Gay-Straight Alliance and, along with other classmates was featured in a story by CTV News Windsor.

    Curiously, the graffiti was discovered on the first day of exams.

    The Ontario Provincial Police were called in, but it’s uncertain if they had any results. That said, considering how Williamson was filmed by Rebel Media making a false report to campus police, it raises the question whether or not she was telling the whole story back in 2015...[In] 2016 the Gay-Straight Alliance was presented with the Premier’s Award for Accepting Schools for their role in “reducing negativity and discrimination and in raising awareness of LGBTQ issues in the school environment.”

    http://www.genuinewitty.com/2016/10/23/exclusive-uoft-free-speech-opponent-arrested-for-assault-feat-smugglypuff/

  102. @Anonymous
    Silverman must be talking about Jimmy Kimmel flying the American flag.

    "Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past."

    With regard to Mel Gibson's anti-semitism, "Jews, Jews loved that, because it’s something that you can point to, and not just this gas in the air.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yCdstxwO8

    Replies: @syonredux, @bored identity, @yowza

    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”

    Nihilist gays love nihilist manic-depressive JAPs. They can happily bend each other’s ears all day.

    There’s good reason Sarah will wind up an old fag-hag spinster. What psychologically normal straight white male could listen to her shrill unselfconscious negative lame rants day in, and day out, as her demure 17-year-old cheerleader looks fade into that of a mean old waitress at Canter’s?

    She doesn’t even state her “anti-racist” rants well. I’m sure intelligent jews wince around her. Here’s Sarah making an ass out of herself while defending using the word “chink” to a chinese person. Talk about “arrogance and ignorance” on parade:

    A marriage to Sarah Silverman is the definition of hell on earth. Career-wise, she’ll be the comedienne they call when their budget is limited, or they can’t get Kathy Griffin. The woman has smoked way too much pot, and her dank brain is running on cannabis fumes.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @yowza

    Plus Sarah Silverman is not very funny.

  103. @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    One of the Scandi counties (Denmark?) sets fines for traffic offences etc as a fraction of income.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Bill Jones

    Finland.

  104. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Jewish nationalism being an obvious exception.....


    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism.....

    Replies: @kihowi, @fish, @Jack D

    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. …..”

    Funny that she was completely comfortable offering “other” things to Shelly Adelson.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/sarah-silverman-indecent-proposal-romney_n_1676669.html

    To paraphrase Chris Rock…..”I guess that’s just how you was raised”.

  105. @EdwardM
    @Opinionator

    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous -- a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.

    Replies: @yowza

    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous — a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.

    Exactly.

    Wenner doubled-down because he misguidedly intended to impress upon jurists that he absolutely believed the boys were rapists. His attorney’s must have shit their pants when he said that.

    What you believe, as a defendant in a slander/libel case is irrelevant.

    It’s not about what you believe, it’s about what you can prove.

    And you’re right. Wenner’s pathology made the UVA students case even easier. If I were one of the students with a pending lawsuit against him, I’d feel extremely confident in my rosy financial future. Wenner is gonna get hosed. I hope it’s 10 million apiece.

    • Replies: @verylongaccountname
    @yowza

    Didn't the judge in this case rule that the dean is a public figure? If that is the case, then the burden is on the plaintiff to show actual malice; that is, they must show that the publisher acted with "knowledge that the information was false" or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not."

    Seems like he is arguing that he had no knowledge that it was false.

  106. @Luke Sellers
    Right wingers are crazy

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article111188367.html

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @fish

    At least Leonard is out savaging newspaper shareholders instead of strong arming old lady pensioners on the streets of Miami!

  107. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Grubby Wenner.

    He looks like a homo version of Harvey Keitel.

    I never understood what the appeal of Annie Lebowitz was. Trashy photos in the narcissism of degeneracy style.

    And I never liked Rolling Stone aesthetics. The illustrations, the fonts, the frames, the margins, the colors. All of them like an unmade bed strewn with soiled clothes.

    Slovenly and messy.

    Lebowitz is the biggest fraud since Warhol.

    She just sucks up to moron celebrity vanity.

    Maybe just maybe her work can be admired as Satire of celebrity vanity because she indulges her subjects like Sabrina Erderly indulged Jackie, encouraging a liar to lie even more spectacularly. Lebovitz encourages self-obsessed celebrities to indulge in even more vapid narcissism.

    But I don’t think the intent is satire. Lebovitz is too immersed in the trashy world she celebrates.

  108. http://cnn.com.de/news/police-officer-saves-dolphin-mascot-imaginary-fire/

    At one time, I would have found this story insane.

    But by today’s cultural standards, it just seems the New Norm.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    It's probably not quite true.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anon

  109. @Anon
    http://cnn.com.de/news/police-officer-saves-dolphin-mascot-imaginary-fire/

    At one time, I would have found this story insane.

    But by today's cultural standards, it just seems the New Norm.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It’s probably not quite true.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Or even not true at all!

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Is that a parody site?

    I must have gotten punked(via facebook).

    Hard to tell which is which these days.

  110. @Bill Jones
    @Olorin

    One of the Scandi counties (Denmark?) sets fines for traffic offences etc as a fraction of income.

    Replies: @CJ

  111. I had forgotten that this whole thing may have been influenced by the White House.

    That would be pretty funny.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/08/how-deep-is-this-education-officials-involvement-in-the-rolling-stone-hoax/

  112. @yowza
    @EdwardM


    It shows how invested the magazine was (and still is) in its story, in reckless and malicious disregard of the truth.

    It might hurt him more in the lawsuit brought by the UVA students and the fraternity whom the article implicated for rape. The remark is pretty slanderous — a famous person using a high-profile forum to call people rapists even though he knows, or should know, that the claim is false.
     
    Exactly.

    Wenner doubled-down because he misguidedly intended to impress upon jurists that he absolutely believed the boys were rapists. His attorney's must have shit their pants when he said that.

    What you believe, as a defendant in a slander/libel case is irrelevant.

    It's not about what you believe, it's about what you can prove.

    And you're right. Wenner's pathology made the UVA students case even easier. If I were one of the students with a pending lawsuit against him, I'd feel extremely confident in my rosy financial future. Wenner is gonna get hosed. I hope it's 10 million apiece.

    Replies: @verylongaccountname

    Didn’t the judge in this case rule that the dean is a public figure? If that is the case, then the burden is on the plaintiff to show actual malice; that is, they must show that the publisher acted with “knowledge that the information was false” or that it was published “with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

    Seems like he is arguing that he had no knowledge that it was false.

  113. @Anon
    I must say though... the rise of Tranny Politics is the best thing to ever happen because it is turning PC into self-generated farce.

    The sight of all those trannies at colleges driving everyone nuts is something to behold.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjJU5bzx-E

    The notion of 50 or 100 or 1000 genders(though some PC-tards say there are NO genders) is something we should play along with.
    It just makes the OTHER SIDE look so tarded. Let all those 'liberal guys' choose cuckish genders for themselves.
    The result will be all the Real Men will be on the Right Side, and that is good.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    One of the links on the transman Williamson arrested for theft, assault, and false reporting to the police leads to yet another likely hate crime hoax.

    “Prior to enrolling at the UofT, Williamson was a student at the St. Anne Catholic High School in Belle River Ontario…[In] December 2015 there was an incident at the school where an unknown person(s) spray painted offensive messages that “targeted the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.” Williamson was a member of the school’s Gay-Straight Alliance and, along with other classmates was featured in a story by CTV News Windsor.

    Curiously, the graffiti was discovered on the first day of exams.

    The Ontario Provincial Police were called in, but it’s uncertain if they had any results. That said, considering how Williamson was filmed by Rebel Media making a false report to campus police, it raises the question whether or not she was telling the whole story back in 2015…[In] 2016 the Gay-Straight Alliance was presented with the Premier’s Award for Accepting Schools for their role in “reducing negativity and discrimination and in raising awareness of LGBTQ issues in the school environment.”

    http://www.genuinewitty.com/2016/10/23/exclusive-uoft-free-speech-opponent-arrested-for-assault-feat-smugglypuff/

  114. @Almost Missouri
    @Luke Sellers

    Luke Sellers = Leonard Pitts = Affirmative Action nonentity expert on being black?

    Luke/Leonard: If your career has gotten so bad that you've taken to trolling Unz comments to try to get your hit count up at the Miami Herald, then it's over. Just retire gracefully. Good luck.

    Replies: @bomag

    I bit, and read the article. What a mis-mash of concern trolling, projection, and crowing about an expected political victory after which he is going to shoot the captives and desecrate the corpses.

    We find ourselves a nation that cannot have meaningful discussion of its issues because some of us have pulled away from the center, from common cause and shared mission, choosing instead to dwell in a pestilential swamp where newspaper hacks collude with presidents…

    Yeah, I know what he means.

  115. @snorlax
    @Olorin

    Jackie is a very silly, very troubled girl of the kind with a pathological need to always be At the Center of Attention. Normal people simply ignore them, which is punishment enough for that type.

    I save my opprobrium for her enablers, who should have known better. The mentally ill cannot be blamed for becoming more deeply delusional when they see their delusions praised and validated by authority figures.

    The Jackies of the world are harmless in the absence of enablers. Silly girly-girls who tell each other about their future careers as a TV actress and the ups and downs of their long-distance relationship with Liam Hemsworth, are pretty low on scale of stuff that ought to concern anyone. They grow up and buy lots of cats and watch soap operas.

    It's the interaction with and amplification by the far more dangerous and sophisticated delusions of the Megaphone that's the problem.

    Replies: @bomag

    a pathological need to always be At the Center of Attention

    Apt comment. The drama queen is standard and prevalent, yet these “professional journalists” shamelessly exploited one to justify a story for the narrative.

  116. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Mr. Wenner said there was nothing a journalist could do “if someone is really determined to commit a fraud.”
     
    So that's an admission of journalistic worthlessness? Is there no such thing as background reporting? Multiple sources? Follow-up reporting? Fact verification?

    Listening to one side of a story is not "journalism", it's gossip.

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    Is there no such thing as background reporting? Multiple sources? Follow-up reporting? Fact verification?

    Very good points, of course, and it’s a tad dismaying that Nicole Eramo’s attorneys appear to be outgunned by Jann Wenner’s. Because that’s how you win legal cases.

    My jaw was dropped almost the entire time I was reading this article. But why, in the end? Isn’t it clear that this is exactly the sort of person who will commit gross journalistic crimes in the first place? What were we expecting?

  117. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    It's probably not quite true.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anon

    Or even not true at all!

  118. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    It's probably not quite true.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anon

    Is that a parody site?

    I must have gotten punked(via facebook).

    Hard to tell which is which these days.

  119. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Rolling Stone looks stupid. However, the complexity of multiple law suits can result in weird things happening. I will just toss in some speculative thoughts.

    1. Whatever they admit in the first case can and will be used against them in the remaining two (or maybe more).

    2. They have insurance. Probably with a big deductible or retention. Probably covers legal defense costs. Probably excludes intentional acts.

    3. They might not have been able to settle these. The obvious thing would be to settle em and move on. But the defendants are neither normal people nor business people. The plaintiffs … exp the Frats … probably have plenty of pro bono firepower.

    4. The $10 million? You don’t sue for $10 million to win $10 million. The claimed damages are always a first step in negotiations. If she had sued for $1 million, Rolling Stone could have simply defaulted. Even if she wins $10 million, it would be appealed and then settled for less, simply to get the money before multiple years of appeals. If she gets $2 million in net cash, that would be a good settlement for her.

    5. The theoretical cost of buying advertising to counteract the enormous amount of negative publicity is ridiculous.

    6. Part of the Rolling Stone defense is that the article was true with respect to rape culture at UVA. Truth is an absolute defense in liable. They have the DOJ on their side in this. It’s a mess at this point, because Eramo is in a bizarre position of being in charge of fighting the non existent rape culture.

    7. Other than scholarship athletes, the types of males that get into UVA tend to be nerdy. Jackie’s friends, for example. And the athletes don’t have to work up a sweat, much less violence to find sexually receptive women. As far as I can see, rape culture is pretty much drunken sex gone bad. Real rape … the kind that used to be a capital crime … involved strangers using unequivocal violence. It’s a police matter.

    My take on it is that RS’s defense strategy has some legal merit. On the other hand, Weiner should have been ‘prepared’ better by his lawyers. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that is likely to follow directions — which is one reason he looks like such an ass.

    In my opinion, Rolling Stone is an anachronism, and basically useless since no one pays for music anymore. I paid some attention to their work on the financial crisis, and it was weak. They tried to stake out some ground on the leftish side, but only succeeded in terms of using more inflammatory rhetoric — but offered nothing. The best stuff was in blogs, and everything that was interesting was details. Their writers were innumerate for starters. Zero understand of elementary finance or accounting. I suppose they weren’t alone — but it was a huge story and there was plenty of material that could have been mined. The point being that all the main stream media was weak. But Rolling Stone was at ground zero and it was the biggest and best story of the last decade. They were irrelevant long before this, and they pissed away their last, big opportunity.

  120. It’s not just that Jackie Coakley made up her story, but that Sabrina Rubin Erdely made up virtually the entire article–not just the parts about Jackie. She relied heavily on a complete fabrication of obscene lyrics to an old campus ‘drinking song’ called “Rugby Road” as a prime illustration of the “poisonous atmosphere” against women at Virginia, using pullquotes from the fake lyrics to punctuate sections and episodes. Apparently she found them on an internet site devoted to scatological humor, which ran contests to find out who could come up with the most offensive lyrics to existing songs. These fake quotes made up a recurring theme in Rubin’s screed.

    The fictional rapists? Sean Woods, who edited the Rolling Stone piece, told the Washington Post, “We did not talk to them. We could not reach them.” However, he says they “verified their existence” by talking to Jackie’s friends. “I’m satisfied that these guys exist and are real. We knew who they were.” Never mind that ‘these guys’ never even existed.

    Slate’s Allison Benedikt and Hanna Rosin explored why Erdely didn’t include a response from Jackie’s alleged attackers. Woods told them he’s “done talking about the story” and added: “Through our extensive reporting and fact-checking, we found Jackie to be entirely credible and courageous and we are proud to have given her disturbing story the attention it deserves.”

    What may not be clear is that these SJWs really don’t think they’ve done anything wrong. “Facts” are mutable and fluid, but the Narrative remains constant and irrefutable. Facts, if they can be said to exist at all, only serve to confirm the Narrative else they are worthless and pernicious.

    Those of us who keep making reference to ‘facts’ are in denial. Here’s SRE after the ‘facts’ came out:

    “That’s what I wanted to address, that the degradation of women is intrinsically woven into the campus, and on every campus, and frankly in our culture,” she said. “If people are getting confused by that, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s another aspect of their denialism.”

    http://www.c-ville.com/uva-activists-author-rolling-stone-article-speak/

    As an amusing aside, this is almost exactly the same language Hillary has been using in relation to her email server scandal: “I’m sorry if people have been getting confused by reports…” Try it anytime someone accuses you of something! “I’m sorry if you are confused…”

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kyle McKenna

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/technology/virtual-reality-sexual-assault/


    Expect crazier stories in the future as virtuality takes hold.

    -----Sean Woods, who edited the Rolling Stone piece, told the Washington Post, “We did not talk to them. We could not reach them.” However, he says they “verified their existence” by talking to Jackie’s friends. “I’m satisfied that these guys exist and are real. We knew who they were.” Never mind that ‘these guys’ never even existed.-----

    It could be some of these overly sympathetic guys are beta-male dweebs who've never been hot stuff with the girls. They are filled with envy of alpha male types who supposedly dominate the frats.

    So, believing a story like Jackie's could be a way for beta-male-dorks to play the role of savior, the white knight in defense of damsel in distress.

    The beta-male wants to believe the worst things about alpha-males: Alpha-males are cretinous a**holes, and women should come running to beta-males to be their saviors and defenders.

    It's funny that PC is anti-patriarchy, but panic-stories like this makes beta-males feel honor as white knight defender.

  121. “…Mr. Wenner said there was nothing a journalist could do “if someone is really determined to commit a fraud…”

    Mr. Wenner was reading from the Arthur Andersen public relations handbook, the last edition before the firm was indicted over Enron.

  122. @Kyle McKenna
    It's not just that Jackie Coakley made up her story, but that Sabrina Rubin Erdely made up virtually the entire article--not just the parts about Jackie. She relied heavily on a complete fabrication of obscene lyrics to an old campus 'drinking song' called "Rugby Road" as a prime illustration of the "poisonous atmosphere" against women at Virginia, using pullquotes from the fake lyrics to punctuate sections and episodes. Apparently she found them on an internet site devoted to scatological humor, which ran contests to find out who could come up with the most offensive lyrics to existing songs. These fake quotes made up a recurring theme in Rubin's screed.

    The fictional rapists? Sean Woods, who edited the Rolling Stone piece, told the Washington Post, "We did not talk to them. We could not reach them." However, he says they "verified their existence" by talking to Jackie's friends. "I’m satisfied that these guys exist and are real. We knew who they were." Never mind that 'these guys' never even existed.

    Slate's Allison Benedikt and Hanna Rosin explored why Erdely didn't include a response from Jackie's alleged attackers. Woods told them he's "done talking about the story" and added: "Through our extensive reporting and fact-checking, we found Jackie to be entirely credible and courageous and we are proud to have given her disturbing story the attention it deserves."

    What may not be clear is that these SJWs really don't think they've done anything wrong. "Facts" are mutable and fluid, but the Narrative remains constant and irrefutable. Facts, if they can be said to exist at all, only serve to confirm the Narrative else they are worthless and pernicious.

    Those of us who keep making reference to 'facts' are in denial. Here's SRE after the 'facts' came out:

    “That’s what I wanted to address, that the degradation of women is intrinsically woven into the campus, and on every campus, and frankly in our culture,” she said. “If people are getting confused by that, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s another aspect of their denialism.”

    http://www.c-ville.com/uva-activists-author-rolling-stone-article-speak/

    As an amusing aside, this is almost exactly the same language Hillary has been using in relation to her email server scandal: "I'm sorry if people have been getting confused by reports..." Try it anytime someone accuses you of something! "I'm sorry if you are confused..."

    Replies: @Anon

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/technology/virtual-reality-sexual-assault/

    Expect crazier stories in the future as virtuality takes hold.

    —–Sean Woods, who edited the Rolling Stone piece, told the Washington Post, “We did not talk to them. We could not reach them.” However, he says they “verified their existence” by talking to Jackie’s friends. “I’m satisfied that these guys exist and are real. We knew who they were.” Never mind that ‘these guys’ never even existed.—–

    It could be some of these overly sympathetic guys are beta-male dweebs who’ve never been hot stuff with the girls. They are filled with envy of alpha male types who supposedly dominate the frats.

    So, believing a story like Jackie’s could be a way for beta-male-dorks to play the role of savior, the white knight in defense of damsel in distress.

    The beta-male wants to believe the worst things about alpha-males: Alpha-males are cretinous a**holes, and women should come running to beta-males to be their saviors and defenders.

    It’s funny that PC is anti-patriarchy, but panic-stories like this makes beta-males feel honor as white knight defender.

  123. BTW, here’s a graphic of the epidemic of sexual assault:

    “From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or ‘sexual assault victimizations’ declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000.

    “Sexual assault may or may not involve force and includes grabbing or fondling. Sexual assault also includes verbal threats.”

    http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf

    Two per thousand is about the same as One in Five, right? I mean if you round upward..

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kyle McKenna

    "Two per thousand is about the same as One in Five, right? I mean if you round upward.."

    Numbers and stats are fluid... like feelings.

    It seems sexual assault is to feminism what antisemitism is to ADL.

    According to ADL's most fluid definition of 'antisemitism', even a 'wrong' glance at a Jew is antisemitism. It's like the 'D'you eat scene?' in Annie Hall.

    And according to MSM's fluid use of labels and numbers, 50% of Europeans are now 'far right' because they want no more massive immigration.
    Far right used to mean neo-nazis and skinheads. Now, it means ANY European who supports border security and traditional national identity.

    In our world, homo fetishes are the 'new normal', but once-normal-attitudes are 'extremist'.

    Language and mathematics work differently by different rules. But words have primacy over numbers because words define the objects.

    If there are five chairs and five tables, math will deal with five chairs and five tables.
    But if the controllers of words say tables are also chairs or 'new chairs', then math will have to work with 10 chairs.

    At this rate, what is called 'hate hoax' might be treated as facts.

    Trans-reality. If Bruce Jenner saying he's a woman makes him a woman, then reality and factuality(or objectivism) are subservient to subjectivism.
    Now, there are cases where it can objectively be shown that gender might be something strange, as with hermaphrodites or people with sex organs of one sex but biochemistry of the other sex.
    But what PC does is it takes fringe cases(of genuine interests and controversy) and mainstreams it to the point where just about any silly person can claim to be what he or she is not. So, we have majority of Americans supporting Rachel Dolezal as well.
    I wonder... if a white person claim he is black and if a black person claims he is white, does the white-black person have the right to accuse the black-white person of history of 'racism'?

  124. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    BTW, here's a graphic of the epidemic of sexual assault:

    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4507423/sexual_assault_dropping.png

    "From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or 'sexual assault victimizations' declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000."

    "Sexual assault may or may not involve force and includes grabbing or fondling. Sexual assault also includes verbal threats."

    http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf

    Two per thousand is about the same as One in Five, right? I mean if you round upward..

    Replies: @Anon

    “Two per thousand is about the same as One in Five, right? I mean if you round upward..”

    Numbers and stats are fluid… like feelings.

    It seems sexual assault is to feminism what antisemitism is to ADL.

    According to ADL’s most fluid definition of ‘antisemitism’, even a ‘wrong’ glance at a Jew is antisemitism. It’s like the ‘D’you eat scene?’ in Annie Hall.

    And according to MSM’s fluid use of labels and numbers, 50% of Europeans are now ‘far right’ because they want no more massive immigration.
    Far right used to mean neo-nazis and skinheads. Now, it means ANY European who supports border security and traditional national identity.

    In our world, homo fetishes are the ‘new normal’, but once-normal-attitudes are ‘extremist’.

    Language and mathematics work differently by different rules. But words have primacy over numbers because words define the objects.

    If there are five chairs and five tables, math will deal with five chairs and five tables.
    But if the controllers of words say tables are also chairs or ‘new chairs’, then math will have to work with 10 chairs.

    At this rate, what is called ‘hate hoax’ might be treated as facts.

    Trans-reality. If Bruce Jenner saying he’s a woman makes him a woman, then reality and factuality(or objectivism) are subservient to subjectivism.
    Now, there are cases where it can objectively be shown that gender might be something strange, as with hermaphrodites or people with sex organs of one sex but biochemistry of the other sex.
    But what PC does is it takes fringe cases(of genuine interests and controversy) and mainstreams it to the point where just about any silly person can claim to be what he or she is not. So, we have majority of Americans supporting Rachel Dolezal as well.
    I wonder… if a white person claim he is black and if a black person claims he is white, does the white-black person have the right to accuse the black-white person of history of ‘racism’?

  125. Marty [AKA "mel belli"] says:
    @yowza
    @Harry Baldwin


    Somehow I fail to see the equivalence.
     
    In California, there are laws which were crafted to combat insurance companies fucking with claimants, the laws essentially state that if the claimant wins, he/she is entitled to triple the amount owed.

    What the state is saying is, "we've found you guilty. you're to pay what was owed, plus the amount is tripled for thinking you could get away with it." Arguably, the law has been effective in curbing insurance companies delaying or refusing claims, just because they can. By making the penalty steep, they cannot rationalize being a douchebag as a petty "cost of doing business." It also creates a high profile example to other cunts who think they can get away with it. Think of it as a distinctive fiducial "stop sign" that even assholes–especially assholes–can understand.

    She deserves $10 million because Rolling Stone magazine, collectively, are stupid cunts who thought they could get away with it. Stupid cunts gotta be learned, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

    Replies: @Marty

    Been a long time since I practiced law but I think you’re incorrect about California law. Insurance bad faith carries the prospect of punitive damages, for “oppression,” but not triple damages. There is a statute, Civil Code 3345, which permits triple damages for fraud or unfair practices against disabled persons or the elderly. One federal district court, applying California law, did triple the punitive damage award against a disability insurer for bad faith denial of a disability claim. Not sure if that was appealed. I agree with your larger viewpoint, but in practice judges have a rather high threshold of moral outrage. I think Dean Eramo might have gotten her 10 mil in south Texas (where everyone wants to file), but won’t in VA.

  126. @Anonymous
    Wenner as a Jewish closet-homo had cultural and even intellectual value as part of counter-culture. They had something to challenge and oppose. The Man.
    As such, Wenner even seems to have valued conservative contrarian voices.

    Wiki says he appreciated PJ Rourke-turned-conservative and Tom Wolfe(prolly not least because even a Lib Homo Jew could see what NY was turning into as the result of black crime and black politics).

    But times have changed. People like Wenner are in seats of power and influence, but they are still stuck in 'victim' mode. They used to rebuke the culture of witch-hunt of folks who admired McCarthy, but now they hunting for witches.

    Ironically, Wenner, who could appreciate Tom Wolfe's satiric vision of delusional and devious America, turned into yet another bogus seeker of the Great White Defendant or Great White Grope.

    So many of his kind went from free thinkers to controllers of thought.

    The idea of being a thought criminal was once 'cool'. Now, it means your mind must be locked up. In contrast, lunatics like Erderly and Jackie are allowed to run free in the Narrative. Clamp down on thought criminals, and let loose the thought lunatics.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Someone should do a nice excel spreadsheet for our current and recent past elites and influencers. I’d like to quickly see how many are Jewish, homosexual, liberal, etc. What percent of cultural damage is done by the sexually confused or perverted?

  127. Journalists as ideological advocates.

    Nothing new.

    John Reed and Ten Days that Shook the World.

    Edgar Snow and Red Star Over China.

    Herbert Matthews and Castro.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/books/review/taking-sides.html

    And we all know of Walter Duranty.

    And now Erderly’s Blonde Studs over Vagina or Ten Nazis that Shook the Girl.

  128. @Neoconned
    @Percy Gryce

    There's actually something called "libel insurance?"

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Yes, of course, it’s a major source of business risk for media operations:

    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/media-liability-insurance

  129. @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    >To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    That’s not about the equivalent. That’s not even close. That’s not even in the same universe. An 800 dollar fine is a big fucking deal to somebody making 52,000 a year. For starters, many people in that income bracket straight do not have $800 in savings available to pay the fine. Out of curiosity, what was your Charles Murray “I live in an elitist bubble” score?

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  130. Recall that Erdely and Rolling stone never even tried to confirm that there had been a party at the fraternity on the night in question. There had not been. Simply discovering that might have caused them to look at Jackie’s story more closely. But… muh narrative!

  131. To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    That’s not about the equivalent. That’s not even close. That’s not even in the same universe. An 800 dollar fine is a big fucking deal to somebody making 52,000 a year. For starters, many people in that income bracket straight do not have $800 in savings available to pay the fine. Out of curiosity, what was your Charles Murray “I live in an elitist bubble” score?

    Perhaps more to the mathy point, making 700m a year is not equivalent to a net worth of 700m, and making 52k a year is not equivalent to a net worth of 52k.

    Someone with a net worth of 52k will certainly remember an $800 fine.

  132. @Olorin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It's about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    It should be at least $100 million.

    Your comment is symptomatic of a widespread, serious ailment: "regular folks" who lack comprehension of the monetary/economic chasm between the Worthies and us peons relegated to toil outside Eden for our Daily Bread.

    $100 million, hell. A case should be made that Wenner and Rubin Erdely so thoroughly gang-raped the First Amendment that all their assets should be forfeit to Phi Kappa Psi.

    I won't say what I think the fitting punishment would be for Coakley.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @snorlax, @Bill Jones, @27 year old, @ben tillman

    Excessive?

    To a guy like Wenner with a $700 million net worth (so I read in these pages) $10 million would hardly get his attention. It’s about the equivalent of fining a person of US median household income (~$52,000) under $800.

    More like fining a person with a $52,000 income $8. It’s virtually nothing.

  133. @Anonymous Nephew
    @ben tillman

    From Didion's Slouching Towards Bethlehem.


    Chester Anderson is a legacy of the Beat Generation, a man in his middle thirties whose peculiar hold on the District derives from his possession of a mimeograph machine, on which he prints communiqués signed “the communication company.” It is another tenet of the official District mythology that the communication company will print anything anybody has to say, but in fact Chester Anderson prints only what he writes himself, agrees with, or considers harmless or dead matter. His statements, which are left in piles and pasted on windows around Haight Street, are regarded with some apprehension in the District and with considerable interest by outsiders, who study them, like China watchers, for subtle shifts in obscure ideologies. An Anderson communiqué might be doing something as specific as fingering someone who is said to have set up a marijuana bust, or it might be working in a more general vein:

    "Pretty little 16-year-old middle-class chick comes to the Haight to see what it’s all about & gets picked up by a 17-year-old street dealer who spends all day shooting her full of speed again & again, then feeds her 3,000 mikes & raffles off her temporarily unemployed body for the biggest Haight Street gangbang since the night before last. The politics and ethics of ecstasy. Rape is as common as bullshit on Haight Street. Kids are starving on the Street. Minds and bodies are being maimed as we watch, a scale model of Vietnam.


    Replies: @ben tillman

    How awful!

  134. @eah
    I didn't think there was too much more to say about this case -- but I was wrong: Jann Wenner is really dumb, and really dishonest.

    Replies: @black sea

    In his sort-of apology, Wenner said, “I hope that this whole thing hadn’t happened but it is, and it’s what we live with.”

    Strangely garbled and inarticulate, in way that reminds me of George W. at his most challenged. I wonder if it was nerves, or embarrassment, or premature senility. This isn’t what you would expect of a successful publisher, but maybe he’s just a half-wit narcissist who got lucky and rode the tide.

  135. “…he disagreed with the decision to retract the entire article…”

    So the founder and owner cannot overrule the Editor-in-Chief. Kind of put the lie to the conventional wisdom about Murdoch’s and Slim’s influence on their assets.

  136. @Bugg
    @Anon

    Berry is a national treasure in no small part because he doesn't play any games. Love that Berry to this day demands getting paid in cold hard cash no matter what the gig. Keith Richards did a documentary about Berry. And Berry didn't play nice, wasn't remotely interested in BSing with Mr. Walking Death or having some happytalk discussion about The Blues. Richards to his great surprise found that his hero Chuck Berry only cared about getting paid. Even punched him in the face.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    Richards was lucky. There are worse things Berry liked/likes to do in the faces of white people, white women that is.

  137. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Jewish nationalism being an obvious exception.....


    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism.....

    Replies: @kihowi, @fish, @Jack D

    And Judah P Benjamin was pretty enthusiastic about Southern nationalism…..

    Before 1933, there were a lot of German Jews who were enthusiastic German nationalists. Most Jews had nothing against nationalism (and many Jews were not that into Zionism – they thought they already HAD a nation, the one they were living in) until a certain fellow with a mustache convinced them otherwise. The first breaking point was the Dreyfus trial – it dawned on Herzl that the Jews were never going to be accepted in Europe no matter what they did (Dreyfus had been a model French patriot) but not everyone agreed with him immediately. Mustache guy convinced most of the skeptics – at least the ones who survived.

    America presents a different case. There is no ancient tradition of Antisemitism in America. No pogroms, no extermination camps – not even close. There was, starting mostly in the 20th century (when the big mass of shtetl Jews showed up) a certain amount of social and job discrimination, but no worse than say the Italian immigrants endured (Luigi wasn’t getting into the Merion Cricket Club either). So American Jews flatter themselves when they pretend to be suffering or in danger, when they have Anne Frank fantasies, etc.

    After the war, my father worked in a butcher shop in St. Louis and one day one of his customers, knowing that he was a survivor, told him, “you know, we also suffered in the US during the war – meat was rationed and you could only buy a few lbs. every week.” This to a man who had lived on the concentration camp starvation diet of watery rutabaga soup (he never ate a rutabaga again for the rest of his life). My father told me this story many decades later, so the cluelessness of American Jews (and of Americans in general), their blessed detachment from real suffering and hardship in this land of plenty, really had an impact on him.

    This connects back to Wenner’s statement – “Believe me, I’ve suffered as much as you have.” Anyone who says anything like this to a real victim is at minimum a narcissist if not a psychopath.

  138. Before 1933, there were a lot of German Jews who were enthusiastic German nationalists.

    Not Einstein at least.

    Albert Einstein 1918:

    I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever.

    Albert Einstein 1932:

    I am against any nationalism, even in the guise of mere patriotism. Privileges based on position and property have always seemed to me unjust and pernicious, as did any exaggerated personality cult.

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Having met people from all over the world, discussions of nationality figure prominently in my life, and I've come across Einstein's frame of thought only once before, about 15 years ago. A young guy, must be in his late thirties now. When our nationality came up, he casually shrugged off the idea that he was from anywhere. I was so intrigued that I asked him questions to try to figure out what he meant. He just didn't think his being born and raised in the USA meant he was American, or having an Israeli passport made him Israeli, or that he was half-x and half-y due to where his parents had migrated from. Him: "They weren't really from there either." Me: "So they were refugees or immigrants from another country? Or they were born in a region or under a regime that became another country?" And so on and so forth. But like Einstein, he insisted he had no attachment to a country, and moreover, that such an attachment disturbed him somehow.

    He was from a famous and successful family. I mention his status because it is often said the ultra-famous/rich/powerful, the international jetset as it were, don't really experience borders and national identity in the way that the rest of us do. I've witnessed it from a distance from some people I know. So at the time, I chalked up his peculiar aversion to having a nationality to his rarified upbringing. But from discussions such as this one, I've realized that it likely had to do with his Jewish identity. What is the unique aspect of Jewish culture and history that is behind this mindset?

    Replies: @melendwyr

  139. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The great irony of this controversy is that despite the trouble RS got into as the result of telling lies, it would have gotten into even bigger trouble for telling the truth: an honest story about the problems of black rape in America.

    When it comes to the truth, every journalist knows the rules: “You never open your mouth til you know what the shot is.” PC calls the shots and never fairly.

    The problem of America concerns Truth and Time. Time happens, and what was once true is no longer true with the passage of time. For example, Roman Empire was once mighty, but it was no longer once it was invaded by the Germanic barbarians. Romans who once had power over the Germanics were under the power of Germanics. It would have made little sense to speak of Romans as the powerful once they’d fallen.

    When Truth is frozen over time through fixed narratives, sacralization, mythification, iconization, idolatrophism, and etc, it is no longer part of time.

    Whites once did dominate America, mostly for the good but not without abuses, some of them terrible. Okay, that was true back then.
    But that America is no more, so it makes little sense to pretend that America today is the one in the opening of THE GODFATHER where the father laments how the court system favored presumably bad wasp boys over an Italian girl with honor.

    When Truth is pickled, taxidermized, mummified, it may keep its original shape and form. But it’s no longer living since times have changed. It’s empty idolatry of truth-as-fixed-reality.

    PC’s big paradox is it is so committed to destroying white male wicked power but justifies itself on the existence of white male wicked power. When the wickedness no longer exists in the present, PC keeps bringing out the pickled version of truth from the TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD days.

    Pickling White Male Evil is like making witch’s brew.

    The real glass that broke was the pickle jar of White Male Evil.
    Sabrina Rubin Erderly held it above her head and shook it for all to see… until it slipped out of her hand and… smash.

    The Great White Defendant is a pickled idea like this shark:

  140. @Eric Novak
    @Anon

    Diana Ross and Hall of Fame inductee Madonna are rock or even an influence on rock by nobody's standards.

    Replies: @Anon

  141. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Before 1933, there were a lot of German Jews who were enthusiastic German nationalists.

     

    Not Einstein at least.

    Albert Einstein 1918:


    I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever.

     

    Albert Einstein 1932:


    I am against any nationalism, even in the guise of mere patriotism. Privileges based on position and property have always seemed to me unjust and pernicious, as did any exaggerated personality cult.

     

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    Having met people from all over the world, discussions of nationality figure prominently in my life, and I’ve come across Einstein’s frame of thought only once before, about 15 years ago. A young guy, must be in his late thirties now. When our nationality came up, he casually shrugged off the idea that he was from anywhere. I was so intrigued that I asked him questions to try to figure out what he meant. He just didn’t think his being born and raised in the USA meant he was American, or having an Israeli passport made him Israeli, or that he was half-x and half-y due to where his parents had migrated from. Him: “They weren’t really from there either.” Me: “So they were refugees or immigrants from another country? Or they were born in a region or under a regime that became another country?” And so on and so forth. But like Einstein, he insisted he had no attachment to a country, and moreover, that such an attachment disturbed him somehow.

    He was from a famous and successful family. I mention his status because it is often said the ultra-famous/rich/powerful, the international jetset as it were, don’t really experience borders and national identity in the way that the rest of us do. I’ve witnessed it from a distance from some people I know. So at the time, I chalked up his peculiar aversion to having a nationality to his rarified upbringing. But from discussions such as this one, I’ve realized that it likely had to do with his Jewish identity. What is the unique aspect of Jewish culture and history that is behind this mindset?

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    @AnotherGuessModel

    Likely he already considers himself to belong to a people, and the idea of having loyalties beyond that is unsettling to him - much as most people nowadays would find the idea of being personally loyal to the US state they live in to be bizarre.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

  142. @AnotherGuessModel
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Having met people from all over the world, discussions of nationality figure prominently in my life, and I've come across Einstein's frame of thought only once before, about 15 years ago. A young guy, must be in his late thirties now. When our nationality came up, he casually shrugged off the idea that he was from anywhere. I was so intrigued that I asked him questions to try to figure out what he meant. He just didn't think his being born and raised in the USA meant he was American, or having an Israeli passport made him Israeli, or that he was half-x and half-y due to where his parents had migrated from. Him: "They weren't really from there either." Me: "So they were refugees or immigrants from another country? Or they were born in a region or under a regime that became another country?" And so on and so forth. But like Einstein, he insisted he had no attachment to a country, and moreover, that such an attachment disturbed him somehow.

    He was from a famous and successful family. I mention his status because it is often said the ultra-famous/rich/powerful, the international jetset as it were, don't really experience borders and national identity in the way that the rest of us do. I've witnessed it from a distance from some people I know. So at the time, I chalked up his peculiar aversion to having a nationality to his rarified upbringing. But from discussions such as this one, I've realized that it likely had to do with his Jewish identity. What is the unique aspect of Jewish culture and history that is behind this mindset?

    Replies: @melendwyr

    Likely he already considers himself to belong to a people, and the idea of having loyalties beyond that is unsettling to him – much as most people nowadays would find the idea of being personally loyal to the US state they live in to be bizarre.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @melendwyr

    To view yourself as being from a nation-state is firmly entrenched in most of us, no matter what part of your identity (religion, ethnicity, race, etc.) you place at the forefront. His viewpoint was very rare, and I may be wrong, but in light of comments here, I do wonder if there is an aspect unique to Jewish identity behind it. There are so many ethnic and religious diasporas with muddled histories of shifting national borders, migration, persecution, etc., and yet I've never read or come across anything else like the disavowal I described previously.

  143. @melendwyr
    @AnotherGuessModel

    Likely he already considers himself to belong to a people, and the idea of having loyalties beyond that is unsettling to him - much as most people nowadays would find the idea of being personally loyal to the US state they live in to be bizarre.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    To view yourself as being from a nation-state is firmly entrenched in most of us, no matter what part of your identity (religion, ethnicity, race, etc.) you place at the forefront. His viewpoint was very rare, and I may be wrong, but in light of comments here, I do wonder if there is an aspect unique to Jewish identity behind it. There are so many ethnic and religious diasporas with muddled histories of shifting national borders, migration, persecution, etc., and yet I’ve never read or come across anything else like the disavowal I described previously.

  144. @yowza
    @Anonymous


    “Silverman anecdotally explained herself in a story about her then boyfriend raising a flag in his yard. She recounts feeling rather uncomfortable and placed a call to her sister. It was then that her sister told her that “Jews have an innate fear of nationalism” according to Sarah. Rather understandable considering the past.”
     
    Nihilist gays love nihilist manic-depressive JAPs. They can happily bend each other's ears all day.

    There's good reason Sarah will wind up an old fag-hag spinster. What psychologically normal straight white male could listen to her shrill unselfconscious negative lame rants day in, and day out, as her demure 17-year-old cheerleader looks fade into that of a mean old waitress at Canter's?

    She doesn't even state her "anti-racist" rants well. I'm sure intelligent jews wince around her. Here's Sarah making an ass out of herself while defending using the word "chink" to a chinese person. Talk about "arrogance and ignorance" on parade:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNoO8xMs04

    A marriage to Sarah Silverman is the definition of hell on earth. Career-wise, she'll be the comedienne they call when their budget is limited, or they can't get Kathy Griffin. The woman has smoked way too much pot, and her dank brain is running on cannabis fumes.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Plus Sarah Silverman is not very funny.

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