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In 2002, the great political scientist James Q. Wilson wrote a book chapter summing up a lifetime of studying the vexed issue of crime and race:

A central problem—perhaps the central problem—in improving the relationship between white and black Americans is the difference in racial crime rates. No matter how innocent or guilty a stranger may be, he carries with him in public the burdens or benefits of his group identity…

Estimating the crime rates of racial groups is, of course, difficult because we only know the arrest rate. If police are more (or less) likely to arrest a criminal of a given race, the arrest rate will overstate (or understate) the true crime rate. To examine this problem, researchers have compared the rate at which criminal victims report (in the National Crime Victimization Survey, or NCVS) the racial identity of whoever robbed or assaulted them with the rate at which the police arrest robbers or assaulters of different races. Regardless of whether the victim is black or white, there are no significant differences between victim reports and police arrests. This suggests that, though racism may exist in policing (as in all other aspects of American life), racism cannot explain the overall black arrest rate. The arrest rate, thus, is a reasonably good proxy for the crime rate.

Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men. This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate. This gap existed long before the invention of television, the wide distribution of hand guns, or access to dangerous drugs (except for alcohol).

America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.

Of course the average African American male is not likely to kill anybody.

During the 1980s and early 1990s, fewer than one out of every 2,000 black men would kill a person in any year, and most of their victims were other blacks.

Though for young black men homicide is the leading cause of death, the chances of the average white person’s being killed by a black are very small. But the chances of being hit by lightning are also very small, and yet we leave high ground during a thunderstorm. However low the absolute risk, the relative risk—relative, that is, to the chances of being killed by a white—is high, and this fact changes everything.

When whites walk down the street, they are more nervous when they encounter a black man than when they encounter a white one. When blacks walk down the street, they are more likely than whites to be stopped and questioned by a police officer…

The differences in the racial rates for property crimes, though smaller than those for violent offenses, are still substantial. The estimated rate at which black men commit burglary is three times higher than it is for white men; for rape, it is five times higher. The difference between blacks and whites with respect to crime, and especially violent crime, has, I think, done more to impede racial amity than any other factor. Pure racism—that is, a visceral dislike of another person because of his skin color—has always existed. It is less common today than it once was, but it persists and no doubt explains part of our racial standoff. But pure racism once stigmatized other racial minorities who have today largely overcome that burden. When I grew up in California, the Chinese and Japanese were not only physically distinctive, but they were also viewed with deep suspicion by whites.

For many decades, Chinese testimony was not accepted in California courts, an Alien Land Law discouraged Asian land purchases, the Chinese Exclusion Act (not repealed until 1943) prevented Chinese immigration, and a Gentlemen’s Agreement, signed in 1907, required Japan to cut back sharply on passports issued to Japanese who wished to emigrate to California. When World War II began, the Japanese were sent to relocation camps at great personal cost to them.

Yet today Californians of Asian ancestry are viewed by Caucasians with comfort and even pride. In spite of their distinctive physical features, no one crosses the street to avoid a Chinese or Japanese youth. One obvious reason is that they have remarkably low crime rates.

The black murder rate, though it is much higher than the rate for whites or Asians, does not always change in the same way as the white rate. Between 1976 and 1991, the murder arrest rate for black males aged twenty- five and older fell dramatically even though the murder arrest rate for the nation as a whole did not change at all. Apparently, adult black men were becoming less violent.

But then crack came along in the late 1980s:

But in some years, such as 1965 to the early 1970s, the black murder rate increased much faster than the white rate. By the late 1960s the black rate was over eighteen times higher than the white one. Then, beginning around 1975, the black rate declined while the white rate continued to increase, so that the ratio of black arrests to white arrests fell to around six to one. From 1980 until the present, the rate at which adult blacks and whites are arrested for murder dropped more or less steadily. By contrast, the rate at which black and white juveniles are arrested for murder increased sharply from 1985 to the early 1990s, with the white rate almost doubling and the black rate more than tripling. Starting in the mid- 1990s, the juvenile rate fell again, almost down to the level it was at in 1985.

In short, though the gap sometimes widens and sometimes narrows, white and black homicide rates tend to remain different. …

We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect. Achieving the second is harder and will take much longer, but it will have a large effect. For the foreseeable future, we must accept small changes with little results and hope for large changes with greater ones.

 
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  1. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Between 1976 and 1991, the murder arrest rate for black males aged twenty- five and older fell dramatically even though the murder arrest rate for the nation as a whole did not change at all.

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Altai

    Thanks!

    , @Anon
    @Altai

    Maybe the 80s black guys were eating more soy protein and vegetables than the 90s black guys. Soy has estrogenic compounds.

  2. Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I’m quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else’s attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Tom Wolfe described the Mayor of New York's daily routine as giving Placques to Blacks.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @DCThrowback
    @Not Only Wrathful

    And a very happy un-birthday to you as well sir!

    , @Truth
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour...I’m quite serious
     
    I believe that you are quite serious. I believe that you are probably also quite stupid. For some reason we have come to adopt the specious notion in our age that these two adjectives are mutually incompatible.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @Pat Boyle
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Why is Hollywood missing out on the theme of fantasy counter-racism? We have had the "Hunger Games" stories in which in the near future white people are annually chosen to kill other white people for some sort of political agenda. I may be wrong about this because in spite of trying several times to watch these very popular films I just can't. They are too stupid and improbable.

    I have seen the also popular "Escape from New York" and "Escape from LA films". The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable. No verisimilitude. There are also many other similar but less famous films where there has been a crazy social reorganization because of some societal problem, often crime. Most of these make very little sense. In the similar area crazy social adjustments to current environmental policies. For example the idea that melting all the ice sheets would cover the whole earth. Doing that raises the sea level about 200 feet. My house is at 1,000 feet in the Oakland hills. My previous apartment in San Francisco was at about 800 feet. Most people in America would never personally experience a sea level rise of 200 feet. When I saw this movie in the theater I didn't know the statistics but it seemed very improbable. It took me out of the movie. Yet almost everyone in the national movie audiences accepts such wild improbabilities.

    Which brings us back to the absence of movies about the treatment of blacks in some imagined future America. For example, why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros. White guys hunt black guys. The movie script almost writes itself. We used to have bounties on wolves and bears and Indians (I think). Our troops in Viet Nam wore strings of ears. So it is nowhere near as crazy as the plots of many Hollywood features of the past few years. I would have thought such a plot - sort of "Escape from New York" crossed with "The Hunger Games" - would be a natural.

    Replies: @Ray P, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.
     
    Good behavior or bad marksmanship?
    , @Colin Wright
    @Not Only Wrathful

    'Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour...'

    ...or just poor marksmanship. While they usually don't actually kill anyone, blacks expend truly staggering quantities of ammunition.

  3. So his solution is hope and change? Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Polynikes

    LOL


    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates.
     
    Would be something selective breeding could accomplish.

    I'll now report myself to the proper authorities for re-education.

    Replies: @teo toon

    , @JMcG
    @Polynikes

    Hope FOR change.

    , @Phoenix1
    @Polynikes

    Exactly. Bunch of low-brow liberal garbage that doesn't coincide with the real world...

  4. I wonder if the elevated crime rates vs whites shows up in the looting statistics?

  5. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    Tom Wolfe described the Mayor of New York’s daily routine as giving Placques to Blacks.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Steve Sailer

    Barack Obama in 2008:

    "Chris Rock had a routine. He said some—too many of our men, they're proud, they brag about doing things they're supposed to do. They say 'Well, I—I'm not in jail.' Well, you're not supposed to be in jail!"

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  6. White people need to practice social distancing when it comes to dealing with black people. Maybe that’s why white flight is so popular.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    This is now the only response to black criminality that does not result in a jail sentence or an assault.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    Derbyshire beat you to that advice back in 2012. His advice was received to wide praise and public acclamation.

    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/NationalQuestion/talk.html

  7. @Altai

    Between 1976 and 1991, the murder arrest rate for black males aged twenty- five and older fell dramatically even though the murder arrest rate for the nation as a whole did not change at all.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8wQYK1tJUc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    Thanks!

  8. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist!

    • Thanks: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, yeah. I love the way conservatives always manage to dig these up.

    , @botazefa
    @Anonymous


    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist
     
    He says, "I'm black, I don't even know white people. This shit ain't about me. It's about America."

    Loving this guy right now. Thanks for sharing him here.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Wait, wait.... He's not really black. Biden said so.

  9. @Polynikes
    So his solution is hope and change? Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

    Replies: @bomag, @JMcG, @Phoenix1

    LOL

    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates.

    Would be something selective breeding could accomplish.

    I’ll now report myself to the proper authorities for re-education.

    • Replies: @teo toon
    @bomag

    Tattooed and fat white women have been stepping into that breech for a few generations; more and more, especially in college towns, but the results have yet to be quantified.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  10. Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @OilcanFloyd

    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Marty

    , @Gordo
    @OilcanFloyd


    What do whites get out of any of this?
     
    I've kind of wondered this.

    A guaranteed place for their children in the new global ruling class?

    Especially if their children marry into the tribe?
    , @kihowi
    @OilcanFloyd

    White women get to feel turned on and pious at the same time, which is the most important thing in the world.

    , @The Alarmist
    @OilcanFloyd


    What do whites get out of any of this?
     
    If we're lucky, our lives, albeit not much more.
    , @Mike Tre
    @OilcanFloyd

    We get to pay for it.

  11. Chris Rock has a bit from the 90s called “Niggaz vs. black people” and the basic thrust is that the former always want praise for just doing the basic things expected of anybody. We’ve reached the point in society in which our elites have basically adopted the attitude of the former, and suppress anything that has a hint of criticism in it as well.

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.
     
    Your religion observation is correct but “for the time being” could mean a long, long time. The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    Replies: @imnobody00, @bomag, @Kratoklastes

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Arclight

    Okay ... but there are religions that have lasted for thousands of years. Why couldn't Political Correctness keep going?

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @imnobody00, @TomSchmidt

    , @Abe
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief.
     
    At some point we all will be put to the Inquisition. This is madness. I have gotten emails about Black Lives Matter from my bank, my megalo healthcare provider, my employer. We have gotten national- international!- riots over a single policing incident hyped by megalo-corp media properties staffed by insipid, mentally-failure-to-launch twerps desperate to get their TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD LARP on.

    Turns out that the neck-stomp is a standard, internationally-approved police hold? Whoops, now you tell us! Turns out Floyd died at least partly of a heart attack, not strangulation, thanks to the cocktail of drugs in his system? Don’t let facts get in the way of optics!

    There is now a very good chance the officer will be acquitted given the overreach of the 2nd-degree murder charge- at least if the jury has any integrity, though the media & our great-and-good virtue signaling elite has almost ensured it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. Societal-wide reparations are now being discussed when there is no certainty there was even a crime.

    Rage, recourse to fact & logic, sarcasm, do not seem like winning strategies to me. An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    Delivered with utmost Buddha-like serenity:

    “You believe Black lives matter and I believe all lives matter. Please respect my right to my beliefs as I respect yours. In your worldview Black people are very very important, but they are not so central to mine.”

    Will this save you from Twerk-qwe-mada’s rack? Worth a shot.

    Replies: @Cranberries, @Not Only Wrathful, @Lockean Proviso

  12. In other words, Black crime rates have higher volatility than White ones. There could be a VIX (market volatility index) for Black crime, and it would have far more ups and downs than a VIX for White crime.

    Trade on it cleverly, buy on the dips and sell on the highs, and you could make money.

    The only consistent thing would be that the Black rate would always — always — be higher. Volatility be damned.

  13. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Tom Wolfe described the Mayor of New York's daily routine as giving Placques to Blacks.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    Barack Obama in 2008:

    “Chris Rock had a routine. He said some—too many of our men, they’re proud, they brag about doing things they’re supposed to do. They say ‘Well, I—I’m not in jail.’ Well, you’re not supposed to be in jail!”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Not Only Wrathful


    They say ‘Well, I—I’m not in jail.’
     
    Meaning that they avoided arrest and conviction for their crimes?
  14. Anon[456] • Disclaimer says:

    I seem to remember a recent item somewhere (here?) about a researcher who untangled the mess of the “Hispanic” category in FBI crime statistics. Hispanics can be white, black, indiginous Central or South American, or mixed, and people can classify themselves as just Hispanic or as Hispanic and something else.

    Anyway, after making some reasonable assumptions, this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Can someone guide me to that article?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don't know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don't want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It's like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:


    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”
     
    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @TomSchmidt, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    , @anon
    @Anon

    Here it is https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-the-black-white-murder-offender-rate-not-7-4x-but-11-7x/?highlight=7.4+11.7+hispanics

  15. America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.

    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    • Replies: @Altai
    @John Achterhof

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @anon, @JMcG, @J1234

    , @Joe Walker
    @John Achterhof

    I think it is due to the fact that the United States has been a more diverse country and this diversity breeds hostility and violence.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @John Achterhof

    Sicilians?

    Replies: @black sea

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @John Achterhof


    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like "the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen", and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don't have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like "Is that how people behave in Idaho?". In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don't give a fuck.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Cortes, @anon, @Anonymous

    , @Elli
    @John Achterhof

    The murder rate of Illinois without Chicago is pretty close to that of Switzerland. And Illinois without Chicago still has black people.

    , @theMann
    @John Achterhof

    All American countries, from Labrador to Tierra del Fuego, are more violent than Europe or Asia, generally speaking. And the Central American countries are the most violent of the bunch. Canada and the White part of the USA are the least violent.

    The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.

    Replies: @Huisache, @SBaker

    , @ConservaWhig
    @John Achterhof

    James Q. Wilson himself has listed many explanations for America's high rates of violence. Just watch some of his public talks and you'll probably hear all of them:

    https://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=Videos&sort=Newest&personid[]=27074


    My own explanations:

    1) Guns (very inexpensive and efficient killing devices)
    2) Diversity (weakens social conformity and respect for authority)
    3) Black Americans (more violent by nature and/or nurture)
    4) "Wide Open Spaces" (easy for the guilty to run away and hide)
    5) "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" (easier for those caught to get off)
    6) "A Nation of Immigrants" (you must be a hard-boiled character to both come here and stay here)

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @syonredux
    @John Achterhof


    What is the cause of this overall character?
     
    For the White American population, it's a regional thing. The South is a very violent region. For example, in 2018, the homicide rate for West Virginia was 3.7 per 100,000. In Vermont, it was 1.6:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
    , @Prester John
    @John Achterhof

    Years ago I read a comment written by a European journalist---he/she may have been French but I'm not sure--to the effect that America's fatal weakness is wanting to have it both ways. That always stuck with me. After all, it's embedded in our own Declaration of Independence with the "all men are created equal" bit. Recall Dr. Johnson's acerbic comment about those who cry the loudest about freedom being "drovers of negroes."

    Walker Percy once wrote that the United States was far and away the most religious society and simultaneously the most materialistic society in the history of the world!

    John Adams, the most skeptical and hardheaded of The Founders, at times expressed doubts that this thing of ours could last. We are a country that has twisted itself into a pretzel in an effort to define itself, this as a consequence of being a so-called "propositional" as opposed to an "organic" nation-state, founded not on the basis of a common culture, language etc. but, rather, on the basis of sweeping abstract generalities about "equality", "liberty" etc. etc., albeit without success After almost 245 years we still don't know (1.)who we are ; (2.) what we are; (3.) what we want, or; (4.) where we are going.

    At present only (4) seems to have an answer: Hell.

    Replies: @John Achterhof

    , @J1234
    @John Achterhof


    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    It depends on how historically inclusive you want to be for that statement to have context. He doesn't say what countries made up the world's other six major industrial nations in 2002, but I'm presuming that the majority are/were European. If you include Napoleonic and world wars, Europe has been a fairly deadly place to live over the last two centuries. If you don't include wars, it's been fairly safe.

    There's no for me way to prove this, but I'd say that up until the great demographic shift in Europe over the last half century, non-war violence in Europe was relatively low because of the general Western tendency towards order. But when there's a war over there all hell breaks loose.

    Back in the '90's a Brit artist living America was lecturing me on how dangerous the US was compared to the UK. I mentioned the troubles in Northern Ireland, and his head sort of cocked as if it hadn't occurred to him to include things like that into the comparison.

    I'm guessing the cultural influence of the American War of Independence has given the US a higher tolerance for disorder (political and otherwise) and a lower tolerance for authority, as did the the founding of our country on the decentralized political concept of states. Both of those things could contribute to a greater disregard for the law, and therefore result in higher rates of violent crime.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Charlotte

    , @dr kill
    @John Achterhof

    No father in the home makes for bad boys.

    , @David Davenport
    @John Achterhof

    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    There is probably a positive correlation between economic dynamism and a certain degree of violence.

    In other words, white Europeans nowadays are too timid and passive.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @John Achterhof

    Americans generally aren't violent people (except Blacks). The other posters here are giving you incorrect explanations.

    America's homicide rate is high for 2 reasons.

    1. Lots of Blacks (13% of our population)
    2. Very easy access to guns

    If you look at the non-firearm homicide rate for White Americans, it's comparable to the rates you find in other Anglosphere nations (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ).

    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.

    The raging drug epidemic might be inflating our homicide rate a bit too, as there's a substantial black market for illegal narcotics (heroin, Oxycontin, etc).

    Culturally, violence is considered unacceptable in America. Most people are rather effete, preferring to settle their problems with discussion or maybe a law suit. However, with all the guns floating around, it's easy to shoot someone if they make you angry.

    Replies: @John Achterhof, @Anonymous

  16. @Arclight
    Chris Rock has a bit from the 90s called "Niggaz vs. black people" and the basic thrust is that the former always want praise for just doing the basic things expected of anybody. We've reached the point in society in which our elites have basically adopted the attitude of the former, and suppress anything that has a hint of criticism in it as well.

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won't end with a whimper either.

    Replies: @Coag, @RichardTaylor, @Abe

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.

    Your religion observation is correct but “for the time being” could mean a long, long time. The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @imnobody00
    @Coag

    Because major religions disagree on theoretical matters, such as the nature of God, the nature of Christ, metaphysics, etc.

    BUT major religions (mostly) agree on practical matters: family, good behavior, temperance, the Golden Rule, the fact that usury is bad, etc.

    This religious lowest common denominator is called "the natural law": the law that every culture is based on. C.S. Lewis called it "the Tao". See the annex of his book "the Abolition of Man" for examples from every culture and every moment in history.


    The natural law can be summarized as "don't be selfish". Since people are not selfish, society can function. Everyone has to sacrifice his selfishness for others so the society can function. For example, in all major religions, looting is bad even if it feels good, even if you feel discriminated.

    The religion we have in the West comes from the Enlightenment and can be summarized as "be selfish". Liberty means "do what you want and someone else will reap the consequences of your selfishness". Equality means "Receive things that you haven't earned and someone else will pay". Rights mean "you deserve this but someone else will have to bear with the externalities". Political correctness is only the last version (the last sect) of this religion.

    The Enlightenment religion hit the masses during the 60s and, since then, it has been a steady decline. You cannot found a society upon people being selfish. Society becomes a fight of everyone against everyone, because every one wants to maximize his selfishness against the selfishness of others. This is why political correctness cannot last for millennia. While other religions build society, the Enlightenment religion destroys society.

    "After all, there are only two religions, that of God and that of man, and an infinity of theologies" Nicolás Gómez Dávila

    Replies: @Coag

    , @bomag
    @Coag


    “for the time being” could mean a long, long time
     
    Yes; it will be living outside the system in many areas; and hoping the Bishop doesn't notice and send in the inquisitors.
    , @Kratoklastes
    @Coag


    The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.
     
    For the overwhelming majority of that time they held the keys to society's information flows in their talons: e.g., one branch of the Avramic tribal stories used to kill people for challenging orthodoxy - including translating their gibberish into the vernacular.

    Every grift throughout human history - including crony-capitalism - has attempted the same thing: control information to minimise the probability that the nature of the grift becomes widely known.

    That ship has now sailed. Even the governments we're told are the archetypes of despotism - China, Iran and the NorKs - can't prevent widespread, interactive, exchange of information by dissidents: digital samizdat is the toothpaste that can't be put back in the tube. Making VPNs and strong-encryption illegal shakes loose highly-risk-averse (i.e., marginal) dissidents for a time - but only until they realise that their risk of detection is minimal.

    Until the late 20th century, you only needed to control one or two information channels. Those channels were mostly unidirectional (from the author to an audience) and had relatively high barriers to entry.

    Prior to Gutenberg, getting a message to a wide audience required a large pool of skilled manpower (i.e., a bunch of scribes). Gutenberg's press removed that constraint, and massively improved productivity: one press generated a 90-fold improvement in replication compared to hand-printing, and ~800-fold compared to a single scribe hand-copying.

    Post-Gutenberg there was a much-reduced (but still large) barrier to entry for publishers: presses and typesets were expensive and highly controlled (the right to produce copies of things - copyright - was invented by politicians at this time). There was very tight control over ownership of a press: owning an unlicensed printing press was a death penalty offence in France. Tom Paine - intellectual father of two 18th century Revolutions - took two years to find a printer willing to print "Common Sense" (still among the most-printed American-authored works in history).

    Still, for half a millennium after Gutenberg, pamphleteers were the only genuine information threat to organised religion (it's no real surprise that Protestantism post-dates the invention of movable type).

    The samizdat movement in the former Soviet bloc was similar - but with better technology.

    This is why it's interesting to see the SJW types try to do the same shit to protect their grift... they have not realised that it's not possible in a world where there are a very large number of information channels with near-zero barriers to entry.

    They'll fail much more quickly than organised religion failed once it was forced to let the information genie out of the bottle.

    What they're finding is that they can deplatform individuals... so long as they can get the owner of the platform to buy in (e.g., the weak, beta-male man-bitches in charge of Patreon, Twitter, Faceplant - people with static expectations, who think that their Kodak-level quasi-monopolies are immune to alternatives).

    If the pamphleteer is serious about his philosophy - as opposed to someone craving a monetisable audience - he just sets up his own infrastructure and goes about his shit. In a world as large and interconnected as the one we live in, good ideas get traction. The Remnant finds each other, and finds that it (the Remnant) is much larger than everyone thinks.

    Bad ideas die unless two things exist:
    ① an organisation capable of enforcing constraints on information flow (i.e., replication and distribution); and
    ② technology amenable to strong implementation of the constraints.

    There are abundant ①-fuckbags in the world who would like nothing better than to protect their grift... but there is no such thing as ② any more.

    That's why the internet was such a bad deal for organised religion. As late as the 1980s they were still an important player in social policy in the West: by the mid-00s they are irrelevant in the non-US West, and are being exposed as frauds everywhere else.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  17. @Arclight
    Chris Rock has a bit from the 90s called "Niggaz vs. black people" and the basic thrust is that the former always want praise for just doing the basic things expected of anybody. We've reached the point in society in which our elites have basically adopted the attitude of the former, and suppress anything that has a hint of criticism in it as well.

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won't end with a whimper either.

    Replies: @Coag, @RichardTaylor, @Abe

    Okay … but there are religions that have lasted for thousands of years. Why couldn’t Political Correctness keep going?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @RichardTaylor

    Political correctness is now established throughout society and will probably go on for the foreseeable future.

    The young have been indoctrinated with that belief for several generations now in college and by high school "social science" studies. I see no way how that can be reversed. Who would reverse it? The college profs and high school "social science" teachers themselves? That's impossible.

    A good book on Post-Roman Empire archaeology - I'd have to research the title - reproduced over 200 proposed reasons why the Roman Empire fell from lead plumbing to barbarian invasion. In our case, the reason our political nation is falling apart is staring us in the face.

    , @imnobody00
    @RichardTaylor

    Please see my reply to Coag

    , @TomSchmidt
    @RichardTaylor

    Conventional religions with conventional morality exist partially because they protect the genetic interests of the vast majority of men who aren't pickup artists. PC just backs up the ability of those on top of the pyramid to do what they like, which exists already and doesn't benefit most men (and ultimately, most women who aren't between 18 and 35). You either get a revolt by the frustrated men, or you get them dropping out, undermining the wealth of the society and so its ability to defend itself.

    Replies: @Whiskey

  18. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    Oh wait, is this a tweet from the notorious transphobe JK Rowling?

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Altai

    In meatspace we call these NPCs.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @black sea
    @Altai

    Are you allowed to fat shame if you yourself are fat?

    Somebody needs to write a rule book.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Altai

    Remind me again which rights Trump took away?

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Altai

    No doubt part of the reason for the fall in crime rates in the 70s and 80s mentioned by Wilson is that during that period, the expectation was for blacks to act like whites. It was an expectation not just from whites but apparently on the part of blacks as well--that as they came up in society, they would naturally act more civilized. It is perhaps well-demonstrated in the film Coming to America, in which Eddie Murphy plays a late-1980s African prince as a foil to the late-2010s African prince of Black Panther. Whereas the prince in Black Panther lives in a fantasy world of black African accomplishment yet remains fundamentally a violent African big man, the prince in Coming to America lives in a world of black African primitivity yet rises above it with his fundamentally white American middle-class views.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFroCRDXw5E

    What the photos Altai_2 posts show us is the reversal that's happened since Coming to America was made. Rather than blacks conforming to white American norms, whites now conform to black American norms.

    Sure, Steve can blame crack cocaine for violence, but I suspect that the reign of the "first black president" Bill Clinton is also to blame. Just by chronology, Clinton had to preside over some changes in the American view of blackness, and I suspect the promotion of radical black academics during this time is partly to blame for the cultural shifts. The sign those two girls are holding is partly the result of a failure to socially stigmatize the way the underclass talks.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    , @SomeoneOutHere
    @Altai

    My,such eloquent grammar on the sign in the top photo!Please tell me which illustrious university were these,er,"women" edumacated?Ghetto & Hoodrat 'nd Sheeyit U?

  19. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Altai

    Nope. There are many nations with much stricter gun control laws that have much higher homicide rates.

    , @anon
    @Altai

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    No. The "weapons availability" notion was debunked 30+ years ago.

    The US murder rate (murders per 100,000 population) in which the weapon used is "feet and/or fists" is higher than in some European nations. The FBI UCR has made this clear for decades.

    Yet the availability of feet and fists is pretty much the same in all countries.

    Note that the white murder rate in the upper US Midwest states is very similar to the murder rates of Sweden, Finland and Norway. Note that the murder rate in the US Southwest is actually lower than that of Mexico. This is not a simple issue, especially when people refuse to look at biological diversity as a factor.

    , @JMcG
    @Altai

    Rwandans killed half a million of their fellow citizens with machetes in 1994.

    , @J1234
    @Altai

    The others are correct...you're wrong. A superfluous analysis.

  20. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    Oh wait, is this a tweet from the notorious transphobe JK Rowling?

  21. I would participate in a “national conversation on race” if this Wilson excerpt were included.

  22. @OilcanFloyd
    Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gordo, @kihowi, @The Alarmist, @Mike Tre

    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Jim Don Bob


    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.
     
    The list is too long to include everything. What do whites get out of equality with others when we have to destroy our own nations and societies, and enforce lower levels of opporortunity and lifestyle to attain it? And what happens when all power is given away? Will the others seek equality with whites? Are they really doing that now?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Marty
    @Jim Don Bob

    I answered you in the “International News” thread. Sorry for the delay.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  23. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    I think it is due to the fact that the United States has been a more diverse country and this diversity breeds hostility and violence.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Joe Walker

    But Switzerland has an immigrant population 35% of the native born. Isn't that diversity?

  24. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    Sicilians?

    • Replies: @black sea
    @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Albion's Seed: The prevalence of Borderers, sometimes called Scots Irish, throughout much of the US.

    Oftentimes self-reliant, generous, and stand up people. However, sometimes mean simply for the sake of meanness, stupid and proud of it, and itching for violence of some kind, which they frankly view as sport and entertainment.

    I think there are other factors, but having known such people fairly up close, I think they play a role. Even in the South, by the way, such people are considered "trash," as the saying goes.

    Replies: @Curle

  25. Sorry that this is OT, but for some weird reason the double-whammy of virus-panic plus race-riot/White Kristelnacht has put this into my head. I’ve just been thinking about this peculiar circumstance, don’t know what it means.

    For a while after I got out of college, I spent a few years working in hospitals and clinics — which is odd, because I wasn’t pre-med and had no interest in health sciences, but for some weird reason, there I was.

    One of these jobs was being the general office manager for a very prominent physician, and about half of my day was spent managing this doctor’s enormous world-wide correspondence, basically answering a lot of his mail, replying to medical and surgical questions from hospitals in Europe and Asia, editing recommendation letters for residencies and med-school grads, that sort of thing.

    The peculiar aspect of this gig, and the reason I’m telling you this, is that through a strange fluke of luck, the doctor’s name was highly similar to the name of a very popular self-help author, just off by a letter or two. Imagine if your name was Opreh Wunfrey, how much accidental mail you’d get.

    Anyway I had to spend hours and hours of my time patiently writing polite reply letters to desperate, crazy unhinged people whose lives were falling apart, who had written to Dr. Winfree seeking advice, and carefully explaining to them that they had the wrong Dr. Winfrey. You can’t imagine the oceans of badly typed or weirdly hand-written crackpot letters I had to read, then calmly reply to.

    A bit like moderating an Unz blog, I suppose. But when I look at the fountains of BLM/Democrat/Well-meaning Rube hogwash that is being written about the Floydocaust, it takes me back to the salad days.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You were like Barletby the Scrivener working in the dead letter office. Reading the stories of human woe in the letters drove Bartleby to final despair.

  26. “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    What it is essentially saying is that equality conquers all, and that we, as a civilization, cannot protect ourselves if doing so conflicts with equality.

    We have to constrain police behavior to ‘equality,’ even though unequal behavior is entirely justified by citizen behavior (are we constrained to deal the two sexes in terms of rape equally, because equality is paramount? Or can we approach the problem of rape from the perspective of trying to solve it-and dealing with male-on-female rape since, in the overwhelming majority of cases, rape is male on female?).
    But actually attempting to address the problem that Wilson has identified (enormous violent crime rates by blacks): we have to ‘hope.’

    Our civilization will literally not thrive (and frankly probably won’t survive) until we can address this problem. The black crime rate is utterly fundamental to everything: how cities are designed (why suburbs even exist), problems with public education, human behavior in terms of entertainment (which bars do you go to, and which do you avoid? Which beaches? Fireworks displays? restaurants and shopping areas? public parks? swimming pools?). Where do you buy a house? Will that house maintain its value, or lose value? How much time do you spend commuting? And so on and so on.

    As mentioned with regards to rape rates: there is no fundamental reason why we as a society can’t address black crime-we are simply not choosing to do so.

    joe

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @joeyjoejoe

    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest. As an iSteve commenter posted, they regard an arrest as something between a negotiation and trial by combat.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    , @anon
    @joeyjoejoe

    How do you not profile when the description of the attacker is say, whitish maybe tan with a nose, about 5'9", medium flabby build, beer breath, about 25-90 years old, mustache, beard, hair color a redish/brown, wearing denim clothing, with chains, a logo on the back, black boots. Who would you look for? Remember you can't profile.

    I think the best solution personally is no white police allowed to arrest people of color. They can drive the car but can't have any contact with the person only a person of color may do that.

    , @Lars Porsena
    @joeyjoejoe


    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone.
     
    This part I think is stupid.

    For one, I'm pretty sure the cops are already not allowed to stop and question people just for being black. It's like liberals saying we need laws to prevent anonymous people from buying machine guns online.

    For two, it doesn't work for shit and never will. What you get is mandatory gaslighting of black people - I stopped you because your tail light wasn't working, failure to signal a lane change, seat belt, etc.

    I think this actually escalates a lot of situations when the people know the cop is lying to them about why they're being stopped and questioned, and they get angry and confrontational about it.

    I'm white, I've been pulled over by cops and questioned for no ostensible reason. One time while turning out of a gas station a cop was pulling into the gas station and drove straight through my line of sight looking at oncoming traffic. There was a millisecond of eye contact and I somehow knew immediately that he was going to pull me over. It was like I was psychic. I'm watching my rear view and I see him bust back out of the gas station parking lot he turned into after I pulled out, and 2 blocks later he hits his sirens. I don't recall him ever giving me a reason actually.

    But I got out of it without anything - no ticket, no warning, no nothing. I hadn't done anything except make a split-second of eye contact by accident. He apparently thought I looked suspicious. When he hit his lights to pull me over I (with a bit of smartass malice) pulled into my own driveway, since it was right there. It really screwed with their heads, especially when they couldn't control the scene. They were young newbie cops which also kind of irritated me being hassled by a fricking teenage authority in front of my own house. They told me I could go and I just got out of the car (in my driveway) and waved them away, and they had to leave the scene first while I remained. I could tell it unsettled them like they couldn't quite process what was going on. Normally the cop remains until you leave, and you're not suppose to get out of your car. But I was in my driveway. It screwed up all the procedure and training.

    Anyway, if they have to give you a reason, I've been given bullshit reasons plenty of times. Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away. You're not just making that up now to justify why you pulled me over. And what's the real reason? I will never know.

    If they have to give you a reason, they will have to give you a bullshit ticket (or a warning, which also carries fines). These types of things just make the problems worse. Cops should be able to tell you they pulled you over because they felt like it (or why-ever else), because otherwise they just make up BS reasons and fine you for it.

    Racial profiling often makes sense. You see a black man slow-cruising at night through a residential white neighborhood where you know he probably has no friends and definitely is not visiting his grandma, it's a legitimate question what he's doing there.

    Vice versa, I had a white cop who works some days in a black neighborhood tell me straight out that he racial profiles in both white and black neighborhoods. In a black neighborhood, if you see a white teenager driving his parent's Mercedes in the ghetto, you pull him over and you pat him down and check his wallet. If he has cash on him, you tell him to go home. If he has no cash on him, you call in drug sniffing dogs and search the car because he already spent the money. What the hell else is he doing there? You know he's not visiting his grandma either.

    Replies: @peterike

    , @ben tillman
    @joeyjoejoe


    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.
     

    By the way, it's far from his best work, which I would consider to be Bureaucracy. It's worth reading.
  27. Off Topic: Gun Control is not trending

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=gun%20control

    Gun control might be a dead issue for a generation.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @George

    Heh. Every male in my family was carrying concealed last weekend.

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @George


    Gun control might be a dead issue for a generation.

     

    I don't think so- recoil mitigation and shooting arm strength improvement would be particularly important in maintaining gun control when fighting off a mob.
  28. Perfectly sensible. One problem we have is that large numbers of people are uninterested in actual social conditions (or historical conditions) and data about those conditions is treated as static or generates fundamentally emotional reactions. Another is that what we see now consists of status games and power games. This person and that person has said they’re all for peaceful protests, but the issue in question (as opposed to the problems people are facing due to the lockdowns) is humbug and there is only a fuzzy distinction between ‘peaceful’ and ‘violent’ protesters in most venues.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  29. Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    Paige’s (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online–as one does–and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized–mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in “the projects” or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Jonathan Mason

    I just learned a word:

    acopic.

    All tattoos suck, but facial tattoos are prima facie evidence of deep crazy.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online–as one does
     
    Who does?

    Replies: @Cindy

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yeah,I guessed gay as soon as I saw the first picture.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jonathan Mason

    Uh... black person there... is it a "he" or a "she"?

    I'm confused....

    , @James O'Meara
    @Jonathan Mason

    Also a consideration for those TradCaths and Traditionalists and Spenglerians who scream "Natalism uber alles! More birfs! As Evola pointed out, an excellent way to increase the number of untermenschen with but a small number, necessarily, of additional elite. More wiggers, not more Whites, in other words.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tattooed love boy.

    https://youtu.be/CF_kUB_mdmA

    Replies: @Anonymous

  30. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    Most white Americans are negro loving cucks, most can’t understand why the blacks are rioting because most of them are perfectly to miscegenate with Negros. Trump won’t win re-election because the negros have made it clear they don’t want Trump, and what Negros want, Negros get. Most white Americans would gladly vote Democrat if it means the possibility of better relations with Negros.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right? But something told me no, and I didn’t.

    Negroes are a different species. The State of Virginia was right to ban interracial marriage.

    I was reading Carleton Putnam again and he has been utterly vindicated by time. I hope that he realized that before he died.

    Replies: @Truth

  31. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Steve Sailer

    Barack Obama in 2008:

    "Chris Rock had a routine. He said some—too many of our men, they're proud, they brag about doing things they're supposed to do. They say 'Well, I—I'm not in jail.' Well, you're not supposed to be in jail!"

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    They say ‘Well, I—I’m not in jail.’

    Meaning that they avoided arrest and conviction for their crimes?

  32. @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    In meatspace we call these NPCs.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    NPCs AKA useful idiots AKA members of the Outer Party.

  33. @Anonymous
    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist!

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267239415853785091?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267240834547830790?s=20

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @botazefa, @Chrisnonymous

    Yeah, yeah. I love the way conservatives always manage to dig these up.

  34. @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    Are you allowed to fat shame if you yourself are fat?

    Somebody needs to write a rule book.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    @black sea

    Yeah, she's the pot and the kettle. The white one, I mean.

  35. One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.

    Not that there’s any way to fix that particular problem.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Yawrate

    Yaw, Bingo!!! Winner Winner. Chicken dinner. But, you can only say that on sites such as iSteve.The problem is the 6000 ton elephant in the room. There, right there, for everyone to see, but not to notice or comment on. Watched an episode of "The First 48" last night, lead in said..."Young father gunned down at Atlanta car wash." The man, and I am using that term lightly, was 19 years old, with THREE children. Enough said.

    , @Pincher Martin
    @Yawrate


    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.
     
    That hasn't always been true. During the 1950s, most black families stayed together. Divorce was rarer for black families back in that decade than it is for white families today. Most blacks also worked in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black and white teenage males was approximately the same (10%).

    78% of black children in 1960 were being raised in two-parent homes that had seen remarkable economic progress over the previous two decades. The poverty rate for African-Americans was cut in half during the 1940s and 1950s, falling from 80% to 40%

    But starting in the 1960s, black families began to fall apart and there were much higher levels of unemployment. Daniel Patrick Moynihan became nationally famous when he wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bucky, @nsa

  36. @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    I just learned a word:

    acopic.

    All tattoos suck, but facial tattoos are prima facie evidence of deep crazy.

  37. TGGP says: • Website

    This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.

    When I read William Stuntz’ “The Collapse of American Criminal Justice“, he said that while the black rate has been higher in recent times (I think since the Great Migration), in the 19th century the white rate was higher in both north & south. His citation was to Randolph Roth’s “American Homicide”. Stuntz compared the then largely-rural black population moving to cities and increasing their crime rates to the Irish immigrants, whose home counties in Ireland had relatively low rates despite the same people being quite criminal once they moved to U.S cities.

    • Replies: @TGGP
    @TGGP

    I hadn't noted the page number to Roth's book when I read Stuntz, so I looked up the citation via Google Books:


    Roth notes that the end of the nineteenth century saw southern homicide rates surpass those in the Southwest, and saw a sharp rise in black homicide. See Roth, American Homicide, 387. The latter phenomenon happened in the North as well (ibid., 194-96, 387). Before the last years of the nineteenth century, whites were the more homicidal group. See, for example, the lower black homicide rate pre-1890 (ibid., 398).
     

    Replies: @Curle, @ATBOTL

    , @Anon
    @TGGP

    The whole business sounds territorial. Cram people together, they start killing each other. Spread them out in the countryside, and they leave each other alone. If I were living in a black ghetto, I'd find blacks so annoying I'd be killing them too.

  38. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.

    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like “the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen”, and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don’t have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like “Is that how people behave in Idaho?”. In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Jonathan Mason


    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.
     
    Almost all people used to be that way.

    Now we prefer to have our place and community diminished so that we can self-aggrandise in having overcome it.

    The old way was oppressive and hid problems where they festered. The new way leaves us all fragile, isolated, alienated and prone to narcissism.

    It seems that threading the needle between them is just too hard for most people, right now.
    , @Cortes
    @Jonathan Mason

    Well said.

    When growing up in a decent suburban village near Glasgow in the 1960s, a postman who lived locally was jailed for stealing mail. On release he was ostracised totally. Given his dad’s position in the lodge that was a huge lesson in community cohesion.

    Changed days, though. Plenty of people don’t even know the names of their next door neighbours.

    , @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.

    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK. You do remember that, don't you old boy? How the British people rose up and roared like a lion, and the British elites responded with swift and sure punishment for all the grooming gangs? Because of that sense of community?

    Silly old boy. Silly old troll.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's because there are still strong regional identities in many parts of the UK, and it is still possible to tell roughly what part of the UK someone is from by their accent. Also, making a snide remark about where someone is from is also often a veiled dig at their perceived social class in the UK, for example Northern England is generally considered poorer and more "low class" than Southern England.

    I suspect that comment seems strange to Americans because for the most part there are not strong regional identities in the US or significant variations in accent nor is what state/region they're from strongly associated with social class generally speaking. I don't think it's necessarily an indication that British people are more cohesive either, in fact this snobbery about where people are from is more a class snobbery if anything.

  39. “We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect. Achieving the second is harder and will take much longer, but it will have a large effect. For the foreseeable future, we must accept small changes with little results and hope for large changes with greater ones.”

    In other words, he has no answer, and no concrete plan of action for what to actually do to reduce crime rates among African-Americans. Hoping is passive, and does not provide a solution. And every single time a plan of action is proposed, people like Wilson will react that the plan itself constitutes racism, or at the very least, has racist overtones because it disproportionately affects blacks directly.
    These last sentences could’ve been written in 1972, as opposed to 2002, with nothing having changed. Just hoping that one day soon now, black crime rates will be drastically reduced, just hope it to be so and it will magically happen all by itself. Wilson’s candid analysis about black crime rates could never be written in a public forum such as the NYT in 2020, because Wilson himself would be denounced as racist.

  40. @Jonathan Mason
    @John Achterhof


    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like "the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen", and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don't have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like "Is that how people behave in Idaho?". In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don't give a fuck.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Cortes, @anon, @Anonymous

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.

    Almost all people used to be that way.

    Now we prefer to have our place and community diminished so that we can self-aggrandise in having overcome it.

    The old way was oppressive and hid problems where they festered. The new way leaves us all fragile, isolated, alienated and prone to narcissism.

    It seems that threading the needle between them is just too hard for most people, right now.

  41. @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @John Achterhof

    Sicilians?

    Replies: @black sea

    Albion’s Seed: The prevalence of Borderers, sometimes called Scots Irish, throughout much of the US.

    Oftentimes self-reliant, generous, and stand up people. However, sometimes mean simply for the sake of meanness, stupid and proud of it, and itching for violence of some kind, which they frankly view as sport and entertainment.

    I think there are other factors, but having known such people fairly up close, I think they play a role. Even in the South, by the way, such people are considered “trash,” as the saying goes.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @black sea

    Scots-Irish isn’t a particularly accurate category. It became a general category for white southerners uncertain of their ancestry. Scots-Irish are sufficiently well represented among all social classes that there is no more particularized association between Scots-Irish and white trash than there is between Scots-Irish and the gentry.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @R.G. Camara

  42. TGGP says: • Website
    @TGGP

    This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.
     
    When I read William Stuntz' "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice", he said that while the black rate has been higher in recent times (I think since the Great Migration), in the 19th century the white rate was higher in both north & south. His citation was to Randolph Roth's "American Homicide". Stuntz compared the then largely-rural black population moving to cities and increasing their crime rates to the Irish immigrants, whose home counties in Ireland had relatively low rates despite the same people being quite criminal once they moved to U.S cities.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Anon

    I hadn’t noted the page number to Roth’s book when I read Stuntz, so I looked up the citation via Google Books:

    Roth notes that the end of the nineteenth century saw southern homicide rates surpass those in the Southwest, and saw a sharp rise in black homicide. See Roth, American Homicide, 387. The latter phenomenon happened in the North as well (ibid., 194-96, 387). Before the last years of the nineteenth century, whites were the more homicidal group. See, for example, the lower black homicide rate pre-1890 (ibid., 398).

    • Replies: @Curle
    @TGGP

    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?

    There’s a book, a few years old, called Sick From Freedom by Jim Downes where he attempts to recreate post war black deaths. I say recreate because records of black deaths in this time period are notoriously bad or were never kept in the first place.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @anon

    , @ATBOTL
    @TGGP

    No one believes these numbers today. They just weren't counting a lot of black on black murders because no one cared.

  43. @OilcanFloyd
    Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gordo, @kihowi, @The Alarmist, @Mike Tre

    What do whites get out of any of this?

    I’ve kind of wondered this.

    A guaranteed place for their children in the new global ruling class?

    Especially if their children marry into the tribe?

  44. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:

    We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect. Achieving the second is harder and will take much longer, but it will have a large effect.

    Does doing the first thing (constrain police freedom) make it more difficult to achieve the second (reduce black crime rates)?

  45. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online–as one does

    Who does?

    • Replies: @Cindy
    @Anonymous

    I believe that is what's known as "dry humor".

  46. Speaking of crime, the degenerates who form the New York City Council have now outlawed police choke holds. I’m guessing this will not have good consequences.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/city-council-secures-veto-proof-majority-for-bill-criminalizing-chokeholds/

    In other city news, that racist Central Park dog lady has got her dog back because the police refused to take it. Good for her. It’s some small consolation for having your life destroyed by the Twitter mob.

    And in the weirdest City story, some Chinese billionaire and Steve Bannon, of all people, hired some airplanes to tow banners around, said banners saying “Congratulations to Federal State of New China!” I saw the planes circling but couldn’t make out the banners from where I was. I figured it was some BLM nonsense, but no, it was even crazier. Anyway, good thing the Chinaman is a billionaire and can afford to waste the money, because this little stunt was probably forgotten while it was still happening.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/03/mysterious-new-federal-state-of-china-banners-seen-over-nyc/

  47. @Jonathan Mason
    @John Achterhof


    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like "the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen", and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don't have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like "Is that how people behave in Idaho?". In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don't give a fuck.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Cortes, @anon, @Anonymous

    Well said.

    When growing up in a decent suburban village near Glasgow in the 1960s, a postman who lived locally was jailed for stealing mail. On release he was ostracised totally. Given his dad’s position in the lodge that was a huge lesson in community cohesion.

    Changed days, though. Plenty of people don’t even know the names of their next door neighbours.

  48. I remember reading somewhere that white Americans were no more murderous than Canadians or W. Europeans. Wilson seems to be saying otherwise. Are American whites really that much worse than their racial brethren elsewhere?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ian Smith


    Are American whites really that much worse than their racial brethren elsewhere?
     
    Hispanics are white when perpetrators.
  49. I never wanted to be a cop. I dealt with enough low lifes in construction that I knew I didn’t want to be involved in enforcing the law on them. So, people say, “You don’t know what it is like to be a cop, to deal with what they have to deal with daily.” And that is true. But right now, the governors and majors of the big cities racked by violence and, yes destruction, are paying the price for not letting cops be cops. A little late to back up and start over with enforcement after so much property damage. Problem is , we rolled over and let the governors and mayors control our lives with “Rules” during the pandemic. They loved that taste of power and now, when they should be enforcing “Laws” they are still proposing “Rules”, a curfew, a “soft touch”. It is going to be extremely hard going forward now with law enforcement.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Buffalo Joe

    You know what they say.

    If this keeps one squad of racially diverse by dint of Asian minorities police off the streets, and it keeps one non-Asian minority guy alive who cannot bring himself to sit down in the back of the police car and let the Public Defender raise holy heck on his behalf to get him out of jail, all of the property damage (it's covered by insurance, which we all know is Magic Money), all of the additional lives lost (the jewelry store owner did something stupid to shoot a not-a-looter pointing a gun at him, allegedly of course, don't you know, and the injured or dead police officers had "escalated"), it will have all been worth it.

    , @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    , @sayless
    @Buffalo Joe

    DeBlasio will throw the police under the bus every time. On Tuesday, a police union official said, "We are losing the city."

    Today Barr announced that the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force is going to go to work on Antifa and the others, along with the riot control people from the Bureau of Prisons, ATF, the U.S. Marshals, and two or three other agencies I can't recall, to arrest the instigators and coordinators of the violence and arson.

    Trump did another bait and switch. The leftists were salivating for him to send the military into the cities. I think Esper's comments at his presser yesterday were simply set decoration.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  50. Oh speaking of what do Antifa look like….

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @peterike

    The top 2 guys look tough. If they had more IQ and discipline, maybe the USM would've taken them and sent them to fight in Fallujah. If they had grown up in a place like San Bernardino back in the 80s, they probably would've been recruited into a motorcycle gang. My guess is that they enjoy causing destruction and joined Anti-Fa so they could "F*ck sh*t up!" I doubt they're politically liberal (far from it), but they are wildly destructive.

    The guy in the middle looks mentally retarded. Literally, he looks like a guy who suffers from clinically diagnosed retardation. He was probably born with fetal alcohol syndrome. He probably shouldn't be allowed to live alone.

    The bottom three guys look like hipster brahs. They enjoy being ironic and contrarian. Maybe if they had affluent parents or some marketable job skills, they could've lived in Williamsburg or a chique neighborhood. Since they can't be apart of any "cool" neighborhood clique, they joined Anti-Fa instead.

    As for the women, the first (on top) looks like an angry butch lesbian. The other two are grossly fat. My guess is that a general hatred of men made them easy to radicalize.

    Anti-Fa seems to draw from the dregs of White society. People who are maladjusted, angry, destructive, and/or just plain retarded. People who couldn't succeed in or fit in with mainstream society, so they see Anti-Fa as a way to live out the life they want.

    If the White population weren't so socially atomized and hyper individualistic, maybe some of these people would've become joined some White gang in an underclass area. Or formed a hippie commune. In Anti-Fa, they found a community, some fun, free drugs, and likely some financial support too. Some have claimed that Anti-Fa gives you an easy way to "get laid" as well. Though given the quality of the women, you might be better off with celibacy.

    Other races, of course, have their share of losers. However, their losers either join ethnic gangs or they hang out with (and torment) their extended family.

    Anti-Fa is basically a Gang-Commune for the misfits of a socially atomized White society.

    , @Corn
    @peterike

    Does looking at antifa mugshots depress anyone else?

    We’re losing the culture war to these people!

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Lurker
    @peterike

    Gotta to admit . . . I'm not really looking forward to this Brady Bunch remake.

  51. @Ad70titusrevenge
    White people need to practice social distancing when it comes to dealing with black people. Maybe that’s why white flight is so popular.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Cloudbuster

    This is now the only response to black criminality that does not result in a jail sentence or an assault.

  52. anonymous[521] • Disclaimer says:

    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect. Achieving the second is harder and will take much longer, but it will have a large effect.

    How much is the drop in black crime rates due to race mixing? Is eventually seeking to achieve low rates of black crime another way of saying society should pursue a very long term plan to absorb blacks genetically with whites and the other races? Such a plan is probably the only feasible way for the country to go beyond current racial tensions but it will take well over 100 years to achieve unless government intervention speeds it up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    How much is the drop in black crime rates due to race mixing? Is eventually seeking to achieve low rates of black crime another way of saying society should pursue a very long term plan to absorb blacks genetically with whites and the other races? Such a plan is probably the only feasible way for the country to go beyond current racial tensions but it will take well over 100 years to achieve unless government intervention speeds it up.
     
    Race mixing is being pursued to improve black academic and employment achievement. It won’t take 100 years.
  53. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Meanwhile Grindr removed it’s ethnicity filter because white supremacy or something. Guys looking for black men are the hardest hit.

    It is not racist to know that you are most likely to be romantically and sexually attracted to a certain look of guy – and yes that includes his race. from grindr

    I’ve always known that it’s a mixed race or black guy that I ‘tend to’ (not always) find attractive. My celebrity crushes, guys in the street, guys at school and work etc have always been those guys. It’s not a kink. It’s not a fetish. Nor does it mean I would never CONSIDER a white guy,, but I use Xtra specifically to filter for them because I live in a mostly white area and they simply wouldn’t show up on my radar on the basic version.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52886167

    I wonder if it’ll lead to users increasing height ranges in order to filter out Asians again.

  54. What’s wrong with a simple rule of law? As long as whites are going to turn themselves inside out to kiss up to the black man, they are going to push everything to the limit. Blacks may not be a race of rocket scientists, but they aren’t a race of helpless infants either.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Old and Grumpy

    As a rhetorical strategy to appeal to softlib normies and some leftists looking for an excuse to end the chaos, this is a good point. "It's wrong to assume that enforcement of laws against vandalism and looting can't be done just because a lot of black people are participating in the protests."

    Of course, it seems like there are those in power that want chaos, to further cripple our economy and to facilitate the rise of China, to oust Trump, to destroy brick-and-mortar retail even more, and/or to implement the full end of white cultural power.

  55. @Buffalo Joe
    I never wanted to be a cop. I dealt with enough low lifes in construction that I knew I didn't want to be involved in enforcing the law on them. So, people say, "You don't know what it is like to be a cop, to deal with what they have to deal with daily." And that is true. But right now, the governors and majors of the big cities racked by violence and, yes destruction, are paying the price for not letting cops be cops. A little late to back up and start over with enforcement after so much property damage. Problem is , we rolled over and let the governors and mayors control our lives with "Rules" during the pandemic. They loved that taste of power and now, when they should be enforcing "Laws" they are still proposing "Rules", a curfew, a "soft touch". It is going to be extremely hard going forward now with law enforcement.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Marty, @sayless

    You know what they say.

    If this keeps one squad of racially diverse by dint of Asian minorities police off the streets, and it keeps one non-Asian minority guy alive who cannot bring himself to sit down in the back of the police car and let the Public Defender raise holy heck on his behalf to get him out of jail, all of the property damage (it’s covered by insurance, which we all know is Magic Money), all of the additional lives lost (the jewelry store owner did something stupid to shoot a not-a-looter pointing a gun at him, allegedly of course, don’t you know, and the injured or dead police officers had “escalated”), it will have all been worth it.

  56. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

  57. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    And a very happy un-birthday to you as well sir!

  58. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Attention all Black People!

    White… liberals… are not… your friends:

  59. Horrific delegitimizing signal from the official Joint Chiefs of Staff account:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1268457947383947265

  60. @TGGP
    @TGGP

    I hadn't noted the page number to Roth's book when I read Stuntz, so I looked up the citation via Google Books:


    Roth notes that the end of the nineteenth century saw southern homicide rates surpass those in the Southwest, and saw a sharp rise in black homicide. See Roth, American Homicide, 387. The latter phenomenon happened in the North as well (ibid., 194-96, 387). Before the last years of the nineteenth century, whites were the more homicidal group. See, for example, the lower black homicide rate pre-1890 (ibid., 398).
     

    Replies: @Curle, @ATBOTL

    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?

    There’s a book, a few years old, called Sick From Freedom by Jim Downes where he attempts to recreate post war black deaths. I say recreate because records of black deaths in this time period are notoriously bad or were never kept in the first place.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Curle


    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?
     
    It seems not.

    This was written on the back of Robert Johnson's death certificate:

    I talked with the white man on whose place this negro died and I also talked with a negro woman on the place. The plantation owner said the negro man, seemingly about 26 years old, came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play banjo at a negro dance given there on the plantation. He stayed in the house with some of the negroes saying he wanted to pick cotton. The white man did not have a doctor for this negro as he had not worked for him. He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county. The plantation owner said it was his opinion that the man died of syphilis.

    Cold case investigations suggest that Johnson was actually poisoned by being given a bottle of beer containing mothballs by a man called Ralph Davis with whose wife Johnson was having an affair. Davis did not know that Johnson had a pre-existing condition, namely a gastric ulcer, which caused vomiting of blood and ruptured veins. He died aged 27 and was buried in an unmarked grave.

    So not a lot of police investigation there. On the other hand when the sainted George Floyd allegedly tried to pass a fake $20 bill, no less than 4 cops in Minneapolis responded within minutes to this low-value white collar crime.

    Worth noting that the statistics for death by poisoning are much improved today.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian

    , @anon
    @Curle

    There is plenty of information in old history books about post war reconstruction and giving blacks the right to vote, also electing them to local office and education.

    Some left their chains behind and went back to Africa, they formed their own place there.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  61. As my pappy used to say… You can take the brotha out of the ghetto but you can’t take the ghetto out of the brotha… HBD it never lies baby!

  62. @RichardTaylor
    @Arclight

    Okay ... but there are religions that have lasted for thousands of years. Why couldn't Political Correctness keep going?

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @imnobody00, @TomSchmidt

    Political correctness is now established throughout society and will probably go on for the foreseeable future.

    The young have been indoctrinated with that belief for several generations now in college and by high school “social science” studies. I see no way how that can be reversed. Who would reverse it? The college profs and high school “social science” teachers themselves? That’s impossible.

    A good book on Post-Roman Empire archaeology – I’d have to research the title – reproduced over 200 proposed reasons why the Roman Empire fell from lead plumbing to barbarian invasion. In our case, the reason our political nation is falling apart is staring us in the face.

  63. @Anon
    I seem to remember a recent item somewhere (here?) about a researcher who untangled the mess of the “Hispanic” category in FBI crime statistics. Hispanics can be white, black, indiginous Central or South American, or mixed, and people can classify themselves as just Hispanic or as Hispanic and something else.

    Anyway, after making some reasonable assumptions, this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Can someone guide me to that article?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don’t know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don’t want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It’s like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:

    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”

    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Harry Baldwin

    Most whites may not know blacks statistically commit murder at 7 or 8 x the rate of whites, but their gut instinct tells them to cross the street when a black approaches. Even the most ardent BLM or black apologist knows damn well they are dangerous. And Silverman is about as funny as Ellen Degenerate! Never was!

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Harry Baldwin

    "I was raped by a doctor, which is so bittersweet for a Jewish girl."

    , @ben tillman
    @Harry Baldwin


    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.
     
    This was funny:

    "My sister just got married.... They took each others' last names and hyphenated it, so now my sister's name is Susan Silverman-Abromowitz. They're going to shorten it to just, uh, Jews."
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    Most whites don’t know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate.
     
    But everyone seems to know that the same disparity exists for men and women, so same that the murder rates for white men and black women often run neck-and-neck. (Sorry for the image, Mrs Floyd.)
  64. @Jim Don Bob
    @OilcanFloyd

    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Marty

    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.

    The list is too long to include everything. What do whites get out of equality with others when we have to destroy our own nations and societies, and enforce lower levels of opporortunity and lifestyle to attain it? And what happens when all power is given away? Will the others seek equality with whites? Are they really doing that now?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @OilcanFloyd

    White women win big. I mean huge. They get to trade up to a thug, first, and one running things. To be a Kardashian.

    White men mostly lose. It's why anti fa is mostly gays and women and the general White protesters are 85% White women.

    White women want us gone or in work camps so they can get it on with the new rulers.

    Pretty much any women throw out their own men for conqueror of the conquerers women are less pretty. Black women are not known for their beauty.

  65. @joeyjoejoe
    "We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. "

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    What it is essentially saying is that equality conquers all, and that we, as a civilization, cannot protect ourselves if doing so conflicts with equality.

    We have to constrain police behavior to 'equality,' even though unequal behavior is entirely justified by citizen behavior (are we constrained to deal the two sexes in terms of rape equally, because equality is paramount? Or can we approach the problem of rape from the perspective of trying to solve it-and dealing with male-on-female rape since, in the overwhelming majority of cases, rape is male on female?).
    But actually attempting to address the problem that Wilson has identified (enormous violent crime rates by blacks): we have to 'hope.'

    Our civilization will literally not thrive (and frankly probably won't survive) until we can address this problem. The black crime rate is utterly fundamental to everything: how cities are designed (why suburbs even exist), problems with public education, human behavior in terms of entertainment (which bars do you go to, and which do you avoid? Which beaches? Fireworks displays? restaurants and shopping areas? public parks? swimming pools?). Where do you buy a house? Will that house maintain its value, or lose value? How much time do you spend commuting? And so on and so on.

    As mentioned with regards to rape rates: there is no fundamental reason why we as a society can't address black crime-we are simply not choosing to do so.

    joe

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon, @Lars Porsena, @ben tillman

    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest. As an iSteve commenter posted, they regard an arrest as something between a negotiation and trial by combat.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

  66. I’m not sure his conclusion follows from his premise.

    Also: did the murder rates by ethnicity jump around quite so much as America’s in the late 20th century? Seems like that would be a good proxy for social unrest, “despair”, etc.

  67. @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    Yeah,I guessed gay as soon as I saw the first picture.

  68. @black sea
    @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Albion's Seed: The prevalence of Borderers, sometimes called Scots Irish, throughout much of the US.

    Oftentimes self-reliant, generous, and stand up people. However, sometimes mean simply for the sake of meanness, stupid and proud of it, and itching for violence of some kind, which they frankly view as sport and entertainment.

    I think there are other factors, but having known such people fairly up close, I think they play a role. Even in the South, by the way, such people are considered "trash," as the saying goes.

    Replies: @Curle

    Scots-Irish isn’t a particularly accurate category. It became a general category for white southerners uncertain of their ancestry. Scots-Irish are sufficiently well represented among all social classes that there is no more particularized association between Scots-Irish and white trash than there is between Scots-Irish and the gentry.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Curle

    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group. The name is a misnomer because only some of them came to the American colonies from Ulster. Others came from both sides of the Scottish/English border, which meets the Irish Sea not far from the Scottish side of the narrow strait (2 or 3 miles) which separates Scotland from Ireland. The Ulstermen were the descendants of transplanted border region dwellers. Some members of the gentry in these areas, who were fighting gentry constantly involved in battles on the border, became gentry in the American South. Scotch Irish Andrew Jackson was an example of social moblity as a poor farmer's son who rose to the Presidency through military service and politics. The gentry of the Southern Tidewater mostly were the offspring of the gentry of an area of England a little west of where the Puritans came from.

    Replies: @anon

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Curle

    Nah, Scots-Irish in the South was distinct from the old upper class Southerners, who were English-descended. Scots-Irish were Scottish protestants who were either Scottish born or were born in Ireland after the Plantation of Ireland, where the British government colonized Northern Ireland with protestant Scots to prevent the native Irish from rebellion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland

  69. @bomag
    @Polynikes

    LOL


    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates.
     
    Would be something selective breeding could accomplish.

    I'll now report myself to the proper authorities for re-education.

    Replies: @teo toon

    Tattooed and fat white women have been stepping into that breech for a few generations; more and more, especially in college towns, but the results have yet to be quantified.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @teo toon



    ... selective breeding...
     
    Tattooed and fat white women...
     
    Not sure that's the type of 'selective' that @bomag had in mind - even though it would work (not by making the offspring smarter... just by making it less likely that they move more than a few feet at a time).

    It does raise an interesting empirical question though: does more cream in the coffee tend to down-regulate violence the way it obviously downregulates metabolic rate? Even elite sportsball light-mulattos are noticeably less lean than their melanin-rich team-mates.

    Same's true for 'my' darkie-strain (Maori): at elite sports level, the more white there is in the mix, the harder it is for them to hit skin-fold targets - (nohomo) Dan Carter seems like an obvious outlier until you consider his gargantuan training workrate. (The guy's 38 years old and plays first 5/8 - one of the most demanding positions in rugby: imagine a quarterback who also has to be able to defend, run the ball, and who is on the ground for two 40-minute halves).
  70. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    The murder rate of Illinois without Chicago is pretty close to that of Switzerland. And Illinois without Chicago still has black people.

  71. @Ad70titusrevenge
    White people need to practice social distancing when it comes to dealing with black people. Maybe that’s why white flight is so popular.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Cloudbuster

    Derbyshire beat you to that advice back in 2012. His advice was received to wide praise and public acclamation.

    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/NationalQuestion/talk.html

  72. Prediction: The face of American police forces will change dramatically over the next decade, and ten years from now, instead of archetypal cops with the map of Ireland on their faces, the men in blue will be the persons in blue–twerking transexual cops of color, hyper-aggressive lesbian cops showing us what toxic masculinity really looks like, Woke Karen cops arresting all the managers, flamboyantly gay cops heading snarkotics units and militantly-effete soy boy cops sitting around the station in their pajamas.

    Stock tip: Invest in private security firms.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @JimDandy

    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio's downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy

  73. @Altai
    @John Achterhof

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @anon, @JMcG, @J1234

    Nope. There are many nations with much stricter gun control laws that have much higher homicide rates.

  74. @Coag
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.
     
    Your religion observation is correct but “for the time being” could mean a long, long time. The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    Replies: @imnobody00, @bomag, @Kratoklastes

    Because major religions disagree on theoretical matters, such as the nature of God, the nature of Christ, metaphysics, etc.

    BUT major religions (mostly) agree on practical matters: family, good behavior, temperance, the Golden Rule, the fact that usury is bad, etc.

    This religious lowest common denominator is called “the natural law”: the law that every culture is based on. C.S. Lewis called it “the Tao”. See the annex of his book “the Abolition of Man” for examples from every culture and every moment in history.

    The natural law can be summarized as “don’t be selfish”. Since people are not selfish, society can function. Everyone has to sacrifice his selfishness for others so the society can function. For example, in all major religions, looting is bad even if it feels good, even if you feel discriminated.

    The religion we have in the West comes from the Enlightenment and can be summarized as “be selfish”. Liberty means “do what you want and someone else will reap the consequences of your selfishness”. Equality means “Receive things that you haven’t earned and someone else will pay”. Rights mean “you deserve this but someone else will have to bear with the externalities”. Political correctness is only the last version (the last sect) of this religion.

    The Enlightenment religion hit the masses during the 60s and, since then, it has been a steady decline. You cannot found a society upon people being selfish. Society becomes a fight of everyone against everyone, because every one wants to maximize his selfishness against the selfishness of others. This is why political correctness cannot last for millennia. While other religions build society, the Enlightenment religion destroys society.

    “After all, there are only two religions, that of God and that of man, and an infinity of theologies” Nicolás Gómez Dávila

    • Replies: @Coag
    @imnobody00

    You can totally sustain a thousand year religion based on the theology of the original sin of whiteness. You can have all your patriarchal traditionalist life patterns etc with the huwhites constituting a caste of despised untouchables.

  75. @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    Remind me again which rights Trump took away?

  76. @RichardTaylor
    @Arclight

    Okay ... but there are religions that have lasted for thousands of years. Why couldn't Political Correctness keep going?

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @imnobody00, @TomSchmidt

    Please see my reply to Coag

  77. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don't know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don't want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It's like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:


    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”
     
    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @TomSchmidt, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    Most whites may not know blacks statistically commit murder at 7 or 8 x the rate of whites, but their gut instinct tells them to cross the street when a black approaches. Even the most ardent BLM or black apologist knows damn well they are dangerous. And Silverman is about as funny as Ellen Degenerate! Never was!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @VinnyVette


    Most whites may not know blacks statistically commit murder at 7 or 8 x the rate of whites, but their gut instinct tells them to cross the street when a black approaches.
     
    The relevant stat isn't relative murder rate. It's the relative rate at which the races commit unprovoked acts of violence against strangers. And *that* relative rate is many times higher.
  78. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour…I’m quite serious

    I believe that you are quite serious. I believe that you are probably also quite stupid. For some reason we have come to adopt the specious notion in our age that these two adjectives are mutually incompatible.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Truth

    I'm as stupid as I was serious!

    Neat observation; even if consciously unintended (-;

  79. anon[512] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @John Achterhof

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @anon, @JMcG, @J1234

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    No. The “weapons availability” notion was debunked 30+ years ago.

    The US murder rate (murders per 100,000 population) in which the weapon used is “feet and/or fists” is higher than in some European nations. The FBI UCR has made this clear for decades.

    Yet the availability of feet and fists is pretty much the same in all countries.

    Note that the white murder rate in the upper US Midwest states is very similar to the murder rates of Sweden, Finland and Norway. Note that the murder rate in the US Southwest is actually lower than that of Mexico. This is not a simple issue, especially when people refuse to look at biological diversity as a factor.

  80. Most criminals are White. I know this bc the lead story in the Cuckstain msm is the up-to-date (2007 – only 13 years ago!!!), not at all manufactured (her body was found in the WM’s apartment) story about a white criminal 1000s of miles away. (Algarve).

    Not the completely irrelevant contemporary story of a group of dindu thugs breaking social distancing rules, wrecking c Londonistan, then chasing a group of Aussie reporters in what is not at all anything resembling the primates in regent’s Park!!!!!!!

    Hmmm I’m sure (((Maitliss))) (((kunsberg))) (((Weiner))) are entirely objective reporters of news, not Frankfurter BSers!!!!!!!

    • Agree: Lurker
  81. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    All American countries, from Labrador to Tierra del Fuego, are more violent than Europe or Asia, generally speaking. And the Central American countries are the most violent of the bunch. Canada and the White part of the USA are the least violent.

    The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.

    • Replies: @Huisache
    @theMann

    Central America is pretty violent but Costa Rica is not, at least from what I could tell on a couple of trips. High literacy, generous safety net and no effing army murdering peasants like in the rest of the area

    , @SBaker
    @theMann

    ""The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.""

    This is an interesting thought. I will ponder and consider the consequences of generational adaptation.

  82. anon[512] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @John Achterhof


    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like "the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen", and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don't have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like "Is that how people behave in Idaho?". In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don't give a fuck.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Cortes, @anon, @Anonymous

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.

    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK. You do remember that, don’t you old boy? How the British people rose up and roared like a lion, and the British elites responded with swift and sure punishment for all the grooming gangs? Because of that sense of community?

    Silly old boy. Silly old troll.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK.
     
    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    You might compare to Florida, where, according to some claims, Epstein employed women to trawl the local trailer parks for prospects to join his stable of "masseuses".

    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.

    It is also commonly claimed in the US that prostitutes on average start around the age of 13. I don't know whether this is true, but it seems to go back to this detailed report from 2001

    http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220.pdf

    which is actually fairly contemporaneous with the Risky Business project in Rotherham and claimed that Commercial Sexual Exploitation of minors was common in the NAFTA nations and that pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or His-panic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe, to which I would still contend that the US is a more rootless society where people are much less concerned about social respectability and family reputation. Note, for example, in the case of a recent murder in Florida that I mentioned in another post in this thread, there is no mention whatsoever of his family.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon

  83. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    "We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. "

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    What it is essentially saying is that equality conquers all, and that we, as a civilization, cannot protect ourselves if doing so conflicts with equality.

    We have to constrain police behavior to 'equality,' even though unequal behavior is entirely justified by citizen behavior (are we constrained to deal the two sexes in terms of rape equally, because equality is paramount? Or can we approach the problem of rape from the perspective of trying to solve it-and dealing with male-on-female rape since, in the overwhelming majority of cases, rape is male on female?).
    But actually attempting to address the problem that Wilson has identified (enormous violent crime rates by blacks): we have to 'hope.'

    Our civilization will literally not thrive (and frankly probably won't survive) until we can address this problem. The black crime rate is utterly fundamental to everything: how cities are designed (why suburbs even exist), problems with public education, human behavior in terms of entertainment (which bars do you go to, and which do you avoid? Which beaches? Fireworks displays? restaurants and shopping areas? public parks? swimming pools?). Where do you buy a house? Will that house maintain its value, or lose value? How much time do you spend commuting? And so on and so on.

    As mentioned with regards to rape rates: there is no fundamental reason why we as a society can't address black crime-we are simply not choosing to do so.

    joe

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon, @Lars Porsena, @ben tillman

    How do you not profile when the description of the attacker is say, whitish maybe tan with a nose, about 5’9″, medium flabby build, beer breath, about 25-90 years old, mustache, beard, hair color a redish/brown, wearing denim clothing, with chains, a logo on the back, black boots. Who would you look for? Remember you can’t profile.

    I think the best solution personally is no white police allowed to arrest people of color. They can drive the car but can’t have any contact with the person only a person of color may do that.

  84. @Curle
    @TGGP

    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?

    There’s a book, a few years old, called Sick From Freedom by Jim Downes where he attempts to recreate post war black deaths. I say recreate because records of black deaths in this time period are notoriously bad or were never kept in the first place.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @anon

    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?

    It seems not.

    This was written on the back of Robert Johnson’s death certificate:

    I talked with the white man on whose place this negro died and I also talked with a negro woman on the place. The plantation owner said the negro man, seemingly about 26 years old, came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play banjo at a negro dance given there on the plantation. He stayed in the house with some of the negroes saying he wanted to pick cotton. The white man did not have a doctor for this negro as he had not worked for him. He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county. The plantation owner said it was his opinion that the man died of syphilis.

    Cold case investigations suggest that Johnson was actually poisoned by being given a bottle of beer containing mothballs by a man called Ralph Davis with whose wife Johnson was having an affair. Davis did not know that Johnson had a pre-existing condition, namely a gastric ulcer, which caused vomiting of blood and ruptured veins. He died aged 27 and was buried in an unmarked grave.

    So not a lot of police investigation there. On the other hand when the sainted George Floyd allegedly tried to pass a fake $20 bill, no less than 4 cops in Minneapolis responded within minutes to this low-value white collar crime.

    Worth noting that the statistics for death by poisoning are much improved today.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Jonathan Mason

    How bad was beer then that one could drink a bottle that contained mothballs? Surely an overhopped IPA?

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    , @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason

    Someone who passes a counterfeit bill may be an innocent victim of the person from whom they got that bill. They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd's death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word "sainted" which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him. Can't quite tell what position you're taking.)

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  85. @Curle
    @TGGP

    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?

    There’s a book, a few years old, called Sick From Freedom by Jim Downes where he attempts to recreate post war black deaths. I say recreate because records of black deaths in this time period are notoriously bad or were never kept in the first place.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @anon

    There is plenty of information in old history books about post war reconstruction and giving blacks the right to vote, also electing them to local office and education.

    Some left their chains behind and went back to Africa, they formed their own place there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon


    There is plenty of information in old history books about post war reconstruction and giving blacks the right to vote, also electing them to local office and education.
     
    What is the gist?
  86. Why aren’t the MSM, SJW’s, and black leaders decrying the death of this retired black police chief at the hands of rioters who was trying to protect a friend’s pawn shop from them? Are retired black cops who are pillars of the community simply collateral damage in the war for justice?
    “UNCLE TOM’S LIVES MATTER TOO!”

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/03/heroic-st-louis-captains-shooting-death-filmed-live-on-facebook/

  87. @Harry Baldwin
    @joeyjoejoe

    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest. As an iSteve commenter posted, they regard an arrest as something between a negotiation and trial by combat.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.

    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he’d be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they’d have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Crawfurdmuir


    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they’d have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.
     
    That was for arrestees who resisted or all arrestees?

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.
     
    The Minneapolis officers didn’t beat or seek to harm Floyd.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    , @Sean
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Did your uncle tell you what happened to ex-cop prison inmates? Police are simply not going to stop and question blacks, thereby obviating the need to use force when arresting them if they were to get recalcitrant.

    https://youtu.be/WUGTmEFTgLY?t=13

    It was not a case of this couple not understanding; the type of personality that thinks the rule does not apply to their case is relatively common among blacks.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Crawfurdmuir

    "Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. "


    Tune up: a beating administered to prisoner

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_jargon
     
    , @JMcG
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Around forty years ago I attempted to intervene in a tussle that was going on at the Philadelphia Mummer’s parade. A Highway Patrol officer gave me a whack across both shoulder blades with his nightstick. I was instantly amenable to his every suggestion.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Crawfurdmuir

    '... Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be...'

    I've long suspected that the (problematically occurring, long deferred, and not necessarily physically uncomfortable) legal penalty for crime isn't actually the deterrent.

    It's getting the crap beat out of you by the cops right now, on the spot, that deters crime.

    If true, that might be unpleasant, but it would remain the truth.

  88. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    James Q. Wilson himself has listed many explanations for America’s high rates of violence. Just watch some of his public talks and you’ll probably hear all of them:

    https://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=Videos&sort=Newest&personid%5B%5D=27074

    My own explanations:

    1) Guns (very inexpensive and efficient killing devices)
    2) Diversity (weakens social conformity and respect for authority)
    3) Black Americans (more violent by nature and/or nurture)
    4) “Wide Open Spaces” (easy for the guilty to run away and hide)
    5) “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” (easier for those caught to get off)
    6) “A Nation of Immigrants” (you must be a hard-boiled character to both come here and stay here)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ConservaWhig

    Other than #1 and 3, how is this different than say Canada or Australia?

    #3 can be discounted in the sense that even removing blacks, US whites have a higher murder rate than other Western countries. Could it be that some of our "whites" are not really white?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig, @ConservaWhig, @128

  89. @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    Uh… black person there… is it a “he” or a “she”?

    I’m confused….

  90. @Anonymous
    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist!

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267239415853785091?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267240834547830790?s=20

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @botazefa, @Chrisnonymous

    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist

    He says, “I’m black, I don’t even know white people. This shit ain’t about me. It’s about America.”

    Loving this guy right now. Thanks for sharing him here.

  91. @joeyjoejoe
    "We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. "

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    What it is essentially saying is that equality conquers all, and that we, as a civilization, cannot protect ourselves if doing so conflicts with equality.

    We have to constrain police behavior to 'equality,' even though unequal behavior is entirely justified by citizen behavior (are we constrained to deal the two sexes in terms of rape equally, because equality is paramount? Or can we approach the problem of rape from the perspective of trying to solve it-and dealing with male-on-female rape since, in the overwhelming majority of cases, rape is male on female?).
    But actually attempting to address the problem that Wilson has identified (enormous violent crime rates by blacks): we have to 'hope.'

    Our civilization will literally not thrive (and frankly probably won't survive) until we can address this problem. The black crime rate is utterly fundamental to everything: how cities are designed (why suburbs even exist), problems with public education, human behavior in terms of entertainment (which bars do you go to, and which do you avoid? Which beaches? Fireworks displays? restaurants and shopping areas? public parks? swimming pools?). Where do you buy a house? Will that house maintain its value, or lose value? How much time do you spend commuting? And so on and so on.

    As mentioned with regards to rape rates: there is no fundamental reason why we as a society can't address black crime-we are simply not choosing to do so.

    joe

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon, @Lars Porsena, @ben tillman

    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone.

    This part I think is stupid.

    For one, I’m pretty sure the cops are already not allowed to stop and question people just for being black. It’s like liberals saying we need laws to prevent anonymous people from buying machine guns online.

    For two, it doesn’t work for shit and never will. What you get is mandatory gaslighting of black people – I stopped you because your tail light wasn’t working, failure to signal a lane change, seat belt, etc.

    I think this actually escalates a lot of situations when the people know the cop is lying to them about why they’re being stopped and questioned, and they get angry and confrontational about it.

    I’m white, I’ve been pulled over by cops and questioned for no ostensible reason. One time while turning out of a gas station a cop was pulling into the gas station and drove straight through my line of sight looking at oncoming traffic. There was a millisecond of eye contact and I somehow knew immediately that he was going to pull me over. It was like I was psychic. I’m watching my rear view and I see him bust back out of the gas station parking lot he turned into after I pulled out, and 2 blocks later he hits his sirens. I don’t recall him ever giving me a reason actually.

    But I got out of it without anything – no ticket, no warning, no nothing. I hadn’t done anything except make a split-second of eye contact by accident. He apparently thought I looked suspicious. When he hit his lights to pull me over I (with a bit of smartass malice) pulled into my own driveway, since it was right there. It really screwed with their heads, especially when they couldn’t control the scene. They were young newbie cops which also kind of irritated me being hassled by a fricking teenage authority in front of my own house. They told me I could go and I just got out of the car (in my driveway) and waved them away, and they had to leave the scene first while I remained. I could tell it unsettled them like they couldn’t quite process what was going on. Normally the cop remains until you leave, and you’re not suppose to get out of your car. But I was in my driveway. It screwed up all the procedure and training.

    Anyway, if they have to give you a reason, I’ve been given bullshit reasons plenty of times. Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away. You’re not just making that up now to justify why you pulled me over. And what’s the real reason? I will never know.

    If they have to give you a reason, they will have to give you a bullshit ticket (or a warning, which also carries fines). These types of things just make the problems worse. Cops should be able to tell you they pulled you over because they felt like it (or why-ever else), because otherwise they just make up BS reasons and fine you for it.

    Racial profiling often makes sense. You see a black man slow-cruising at night through a residential white neighborhood where you know he probably has no friends and definitely is not visiting his grandma, it’s a legitimate question what he’s doing there.

    Vice versa, I had a white cop who works some days in a black neighborhood tell me straight out that he racial profiles in both white and black neighborhoods. In a black neighborhood, if you see a white teenager driving his parent’s Mercedes in the ghetto, you pull him over and you pat him down and check his wallet. If he has cash on him, you tell him to go home. If he has no cash on him, you call in drug sniffing dogs and search the car because he already spent the money. What the hell else is he doing there? You know he’s not visiting his grandma either.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Lars Porsena


    Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away.

     

    You do know that police have scanners that read license plates and alert them if you have out of date registration, haven't paid your car insurance, etc?

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

  92. @Coag
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.
     
    Your religion observation is correct but “for the time being” could mean a long, long time. The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    Replies: @imnobody00, @bomag, @Kratoklastes

    “for the time being” could mean a long, long time

    Yes; it will be living outside the system in many areas; and hoping the Bishop doesn’t notice and send in the inquisitors.

  93. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Having fought Covid19 to a standstill, America’s woke want to take a crack at race. As if more or less everything hasn’t already been tried. I expect the Ferguson Effect II to kick in before phase 1 of this attempt gets off the ground. Just more damage to the looted black areas.

    Long term? I dunno. I see technology as a trend that will mitigate against crime. Apple has or has announced it is tracking looted iPhones along with their anti-racism rhetoric. The Bezos sponsored Ring door video isn’t going away. Not to mention the Bezos proof of concept of the automated store. Amazon Go https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16008589011 . People under 30 don’t carry cash as a rule.

    There is no upside to fighting this lockdown induced frenzy. It’s not like I’m against the side of everyone just being nice and getting along. So have a go at it.

  94. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they’d have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    That was for arrestees who resisted or all arrestees?

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    The Minneapolis officers didn’t beat or seek to harm Floyd.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Anonymous

    As the antecedent paragraph makes clear:


    the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he’d be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.
     

    Replies: @HammerJack

  95. Don’t we have stats from 2016 that report 400 whites killed by blacks and 200 blacks killed by whites.

    My grade school arithmetic suggests the blacks killing whites rate is ten times higher.

    To the someone here who found the numbers, THANK YOU.

  96. @Polynikes
    So his solution is hope and change? Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

    Replies: @bomag, @JMcG, @Phoenix1

    Hope FOR change.

  97. @black sea
    @Altai

    Are you allowed to fat shame if you yourself are fat?

    Somebody needs to write a rule book.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer

    Yeah, she’s the pot and the kettle. The white one, I mean.

  98. Abe says:
    @Arclight
    Chris Rock has a bit from the 90s called "Niggaz vs. black people" and the basic thrust is that the former always want praise for just doing the basic things expected of anybody. We've reached the point in society in which our elites have basically adopted the attitude of the former, and suppress anything that has a hint of criticism in it as well.

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won't end with a whimper either.

    Replies: @Coag, @RichardTaylor, @Abe

    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief.

    At some point we all will be put to the Inquisition. This is madness. I have gotten emails about Black Lives Matter from my bank, my megalo healthcare provider, my employer. We have gotten national- international!- riots over a single policing incident hyped by megalo-corp media properties staffed by insipid, mentally-failure-to-launch twerps desperate to get their TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD LARP on.

    Turns out that the neck-stomp is a standard, internationally-approved police hold? Whoops, now you tell us! Turns out Floyd died at least partly of a heart attack, not strangulation, thanks to the cocktail of drugs in his system? Don’t let facts get in the way of optics!

    There is now a very good chance the officer will be acquitted given the overreach of the 2nd-degree murder charge- at least if the jury has any integrity, though the media & our great-and-good virtue signaling elite has almost ensured it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. Societal-wide reparations are now being discussed when there is no certainty there was even a crime.

    Rage, recourse to fact & logic, sarcasm, do not seem like winning strategies to me. An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    Delivered with utmost Buddha-like serenity:

    “You believe Black lives matter and I believe all lives matter. Please respect my right to my beliefs as I respect yours. In your worldview Black people are very very important, but they are not so central to mine.”

    Will this save you from Twerk-qwe-mada’s rack? Worth a shot.

    • Agree: Goatweed
    • Replies: @Cranberries
    @Abe


    An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.
     
    I think this is really misguided. This is what evangelical Christians have been saying for years, and they've been steamrolled.

    We are dealing with an inferno of moralistic fervor. Fence-sitters or generally apolitical people are being forced to choose sides-- "silence=violence". The armies of wokesters are rapidly converting people through aggressive moral shaming. When the entire Fortune 500, every major newspaper, and half of John Q Normie's social circle erupts in frenzied virtue signaling, he's usually going along for the ride. It's just easier. We have to give him an alternative, or at least impose some kind of cost for mouthing woke platitudes.

    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done-- its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: "Why don't you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc". The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they're often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong. This isn't sustainable-- you can't resist aggression with pacifism ("tolerance").

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Abe

    If you are a tolerant person, you won't need to appeal for tolerance from others like you. They'll know and they'll give it regardless.

    This is a simple fact when you think about it.

    The problem is that calmly admitting to yourself that another person really has no tolerance for you is hard, so we tend to make excuses on others' behalves in order to soothe ourselves. It's a common and understandable delusion. We don't won't to admit (to ourselves) that they make us feel afraid.

    Instead, many of these people are most certainly not tolerant. They're fanatics looking for "completeness" in a movement, and your disagreement, even if silent, is standing in the way of what they truly believe is them becoming their best selves.

    In reality, you temporarily stand in as an enemy preventing them from coming to what they mistakenly, but sincerely, believe is "home". It is not an exaggeration that this makes you a demon from their own head conjured into real life. And you're asking for toleration?!?

    The best thing therefore is to honestly tell them, even if only through very subtle implication, how scary/creepy/sad/false/odd they are coming across and how particularly you, when talking with them, can't shake the unnerving feeling that you're speaking with a cult member or someone who's been bodysnatched.

    This need not be done in a cruel way. It is actually a moment for connection. You feel alienated from them and they most certainly feel alienated from themselves.

    One way to do this is to ask nicely and kindly, because, of course you do feel like being nice and kind to a deluded broken cult member, "is it possible that you could be wrong"?

    Or, you could soften it further by prefacing it with "I find I am often wrong, and really enjoy it, and actually, it is one of my favourite qualities about myself."

    But I can't predict how the natural moment will be! The underlying point, however, is to discern how you really see them underneath all of the noise generated in political discussion and then treat them as you authentically feel (post sifting out the noise.)

    Clever arguments, like pointing out the contradiction of the fanatic who espouses tolerance, are only good for amusing third parties and yourself. That is, unless they actually are tolerant in which case they can take the joke at their expense.

    Of course, if they really like/love you already then they may be tolerant to you in a way they wouldn't be tolerant to others, but beware, that if they are fanatical, that you are putting them in a very stressful position of dissonance.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Abe

    It might not save you from the rack and stake, but maybe for bein' such a stand up guy they'll use dry wood instead of green wood when they burn you as a heretic.

    Replies: @sayless

  99. @Anonymous
    Time to hear from an goddamn African American political scientist!

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267239415853785091?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NigrumFry/status/1267240834547830790?s=20

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @botazefa, @Chrisnonymous

    Wait, wait…. He’s not really black. Biden said so.

  100. Sean says:
    @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

    Did your uncle tell you what happened to ex-cop prison inmates? Police are simply not going to stop and question blacks, thereby obviating the need to use force when arresting them if they were to get recalcitrant.

    It was not a case of this couple not understanding; the type of personality that thinks the rule does not apply to their case is relatively common among blacks.

  101. @Altai

    Between 1976 and 1991, the murder arrest rate for black males aged twenty- five and older fell dramatically even though the murder arrest rate for the nation as a whole did not change at all.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8wQYK1tJUc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    Maybe the 80s black guys were eating more soy protein and vegetables than the 90s black guys. Soy has estrogenic compounds.

  102. @OilcanFloyd
    Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gordo, @kihowi, @The Alarmist, @Mike Tre

    White women get to feel turned on and pious at the same time, which is the most important thing in the world.

  103. @RichardTaylor
    @Arclight

    Okay ... but there are religions that have lasted for thousands of years. Why couldn't Political Correctness keep going?

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @imnobody00, @TomSchmidt

    Conventional religions with conventional morality exist partially because they protect the genetic interests of the vast majority of men who aren’t pickup artists. PC just backs up the ability of those on top of the pyramid to do what they like, which exists already and doesn’t benefit most men (and ultimately, most women who aren’t between 18 and 35). You either get a revolt by the frustrated men, or you get them dropping out, undermining the wealth of the society and so its ability to defend itself.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @TomSchmidt

    Our current culture does benefit women greatly. They get the baby daddy lifestyle like a Kardashian they all crave. It screws over average White dudes but we are a powerless and unimportant group that does not matter.

    White Women love this stuff. Look at all of them all over the globe calling for the abolition of White men so they can have their very own rapper.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  104. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don't know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don't want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It's like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:


    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”
     
    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @TomSchmidt, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    “I was raped by a doctor, which is so bittersweet for a Jewish girl.”

  105. @TGGP

    This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.
     
    When I read William Stuntz' "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice", he said that while the black rate has been higher in recent times (I think since the Great Migration), in the 19th century the white rate was higher in both north & south. His citation was to Randolph Roth's "American Homicide". Stuntz compared the then largely-rural black population moving to cities and increasing their crime rates to the Irish immigrants, whose home counties in Ireland had relatively low rates despite the same people being quite criminal once they moved to U.S cities.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Anon

    The whole business sounds territorial. Cram people together, they start killing each other. Spread them out in the countryside, and they leave each other alone. If I were living in a black ghetto, I’d find blacks so annoying I’d be killing them too.

  106. Steve, given the tragic Ferguson effect during the last decade, how much worse will the increase in murder rates be following the current uprising?

    Will cops ever get out of their vehicles in minority neighborhoods? Will they even have cars after the massive budget cuts that have been proposed?

  107. @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    No doubt part of the reason for the fall in crime rates in the 70s and 80s mentioned by Wilson is that during that period, the expectation was for blacks to act like whites. It was an expectation not just from whites but apparently on the part of blacks as well–that as they came up in society, they would naturally act more civilized. It is perhaps well-demonstrated in the film Coming to America, in which Eddie Murphy plays a late-1980s African prince as a foil to the late-2010s African prince of Black Panther. Whereas the prince in Black Panther lives in a fantasy world of black African accomplishment yet remains fundamentally a violent African big man, the prince in Coming to America lives in a world of black African primitivity yet rises above it with his fundamentally white American middle-class views.

    What the photos Altai_2 posts show us is the reversal that’s happened since Coming to America was made. Rather than blacks conforming to white American norms, whites now conform to black American norms.

    Sure, Steve can blame crack cocaine for violence, but I suspect that the reign of the “first black president” Bill Clinton is also to blame. Just by chronology, Clinton had to preside over some changes in the American view of blackness, and I suspect the promotion of radical black academics during this time is partly to blame for the cultural shifts. The sign those two girls are holding is partly the result of a failure to socially stigmatize the way the underclass talks.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Chrisnonymous

    I assume you imply the "Civil Rights" movement was involved: OK, now you got yer rights, no more complaining."

    Even earlier, Stanley Crouch talks about how the future bebop musicians grew up idolizing sophisticated blacks like Duke Ellington and disparaging the more minstrely (as they thought) Armstrong; hence they created a new kind of jazz that emphasized professionalism rather than (white) crowd pleasing antics. Crouch would agree with my inference then that rap is a return to primitive antics for pay.

  108. @George
    Off Topic: Gun Control is not trending

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=gun%20control

    Gun control might be a dead issue for a generation.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena, @Lockean Proviso

    Heh. Every male in my family was carrying concealed last weekend.

  109. @Buffalo Joe
    I never wanted to be a cop. I dealt with enough low lifes in construction that I knew I didn't want to be involved in enforcing the law on them. So, people say, "You don't know what it is like to be a cop, to deal with what they have to deal with daily." And that is true. But right now, the governors and majors of the big cities racked by violence and, yes destruction, are paying the price for not letting cops be cops. A little late to back up and start over with enforcement after so much property damage. Problem is , we rolled over and let the governors and mayors control our lives with "Rules" during the pandemic. They loved that taste of power and now, when they should be enforcing "Laws" they are still proposing "Rules", a curfew, a "soft touch". It is going to be extremely hard going forward now with law enforcement.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Marty, @sayless

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Marty

    "it's amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work"

    The struggle against systematic whitey is a full-time job, and very exhausting. Construction work is for Brown Bodies, not Black Bodies.

    , @rexl
    @Marty

    Yes, we used to be general contractors and noticed the same thing. Occassionally, on job walks we would see a black subcontractor, he/she was surrounded, given cards, etc. but never showed up, never offered a bid. We would tell the person that we had a plan room, coffee, donuts, (shit, we would have given a coupon for dinner) but not a one person showed up. Too bad, we were pretty successful. And yes we had lots of Mexicans, and most of our crew was the same.

    I go to Home Depot today, and see very few black people, lots of Mexicans, and a spattering of white people. But no blacks, weird.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Marty

    Marty, Great observation. Years ago I was a Co-Director of an affirmative Action program to get more blacks into the Building Trades. A complete failure. The problem was you had to attend the apprenticeship program classes and work at the trade. Too much time, too much effort.Just give me the money. Now, if women want into the trades, good for them as long as they follow the program. All the training programs I read about where people "learn" to become Flagmen or learn about asbestos and lead abatement are a joke. With the hot metal and coal fired steam plants long gone, there is no asbestos left.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Marty

    Prevailing wage jobs, which are unbelievably expensive, and explain why gov't itself is so expensive, go to the same contractors over and over. They know how to get those gov't building projects and that's what their business model is set up to accommodate. We work with several of these small companies and they have a personal gold mine. The paperwork is extensive and we charge them a lot, but it all comes back on the taxpayer.

    Notice next time a school bond comes up in your elections. Why is it so high and why are they needed constantly? Prevailing wage.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Marty

    In Southern California, the building trades are about 80% Hispanic and 20% White. Not a black to be seen. Janitors, garbage men, housekeepers, car washers, and gardeners are 100% Hispanic. Whatever else you want to say about Hispanics, they are not afraid of hard physical work. They almost seem to relish it.

    I can't think of any job that black males dominate. Except maybe security guard, a job that is 99% standing around. Black women seem to be overrepresnted in all government jobs. And, of course, corporate HR.

  110. @Jonathan Mason
    @Curle


    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?
     
    It seems not.

    This was written on the back of Robert Johnson's death certificate:

    I talked with the white man on whose place this negro died and I also talked with a negro woman on the place. The plantation owner said the negro man, seemingly about 26 years old, came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play banjo at a negro dance given there on the plantation. He stayed in the house with some of the negroes saying he wanted to pick cotton. The white man did not have a doctor for this negro as he had not worked for him. He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county. The plantation owner said it was his opinion that the man died of syphilis.

    Cold case investigations suggest that Johnson was actually poisoned by being given a bottle of beer containing mothballs by a man called Ralph Davis with whose wife Johnson was having an affair. Davis did not know that Johnson had a pre-existing condition, namely a gastric ulcer, which caused vomiting of blood and ruptured veins. He died aged 27 and was buried in an unmarked grave.

    So not a lot of police investigation there. On the other hand when the sainted George Floyd allegedly tried to pass a fake $20 bill, no less than 4 cops in Minneapolis responded within minutes to this low-value white collar crime.

    Worth noting that the statistics for death by poisoning are much improved today.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian

    How bad was beer then that one could drink a bottle that contained mothballs? Surely an overhopped IPA?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @JMcG

    I recently bought a box of moth balls and never used them, the box was COVERED with dire warnings about how deadly poisonous they damn things were. I couldn't figure out the right set of circumstances, as described, that would allow me to deploy them without dying a stupid death. I suppose this is the result of decades of litigation. I conclude that I would not want to drink a bottle of anything with a single mothball in it. No matter how high quality some craft beer was, I get the impression one or two mothballs soaking in it would kill you pretty quickly, perhaps while saying something like, "Shit, man, what's in this..." [falls down dead].

  111. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

    “Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. ”

    Tune up: a beating administered to prisoner

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_jargon

  112. @Abe
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief.
     
    At some point we all will be put to the Inquisition. This is madness. I have gotten emails about Black Lives Matter from my bank, my megalo healthcare provider, my employer. We have gotten national- international!- riots over a single policing incident hyped by megalo-corp media properties staffed by insipid, mentally-failure-to-launch twerps desperate to get their TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD LARP on.

    Turns out that the neck-stomp is a standard, internationally-approved police hold? Whoops, now you tell us! Turns out Floyd died at least partly of a heart attack, not strangulation, thanks to the cocktail of drugs in his system? Don’t let facts get in the way of optics!

    There is now a very good chance the officer will be acquitted given the overreach of the 2nd-degree murder charge- at least if the jury has any integrity, though the media & our great-and-good virtue signaling elite has almost ensured it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. Societal-wide reparations are now being discussed when there is no certainty there was even a crime.

    Rage, recourse to fact & logic, sarcasm, do not seem like winning strategies to me. An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    Delivered with utmost Buddha-like serenity:

    “You believe Black lives matter and I believe all lives matter. Please respect my right to my beliefs as I respect yours. In your worldview Black people are very very important, but they are not so central to mine.”

    Will this save you from Twerk-qwe-mada’s rack? Worth a shot.

    Replies: @Cranberries, @Not Only Wrathful, @Lockean Proviso

    An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    I think this is really misguided. This is what evangelical Christians have been saying for years, and they’ve been steamrolled.

    We are dealing with an inferno of moralistic fervor. Fence-sitters or generally apolitical people are being forced to choose sides– “silence=violence”. The armies of wokesters are rapidly converting people through aggressive moral shaming. When the entire Fortune 500, every major newspaper, and half of John Q Normie’s social circle erupts in frenzied virtue signaling, he’s usually going along for the ride. It’s just easier. We have to give him an alternative, or at least impose some kind of cost for mouthing woke platitudes.

    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong. This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”).

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Abe
    @Cranberries


    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong.
     

    I totally agree, but I think this will not work. Meeting their righteous fury with our righteous fury will fail because they outnumber us and so have peer reinforcement on their side, and have been so conditioned something very much like crimestop occurs when you point out their contradictory logic or adherence to impossible, self-cancelling facts- they do not reconsider, they get even more mad.

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    This is basically a copy of Steve’s entire wryly cynical MO, but instead of winking at the Wokester as some crass, venal, hypocritical careerist who can’t possibly believe what he publicly espouses, I’m indulgently treating them- again, with Dalai Lama-like serenity- as a kooky spiritual seeker with some really crazy and self-destructive beliefs, but whatddya whatddya, just don’t expect me to hop on your crazy train, bud’. Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.


    This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”)
     
    This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech. When things approach EU-levels of thought control anarcho-tyranny, you will be right.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Not Only Wrathful, @Marty

  113. Garcetti in LA is proposing 200 million cuts to the LAPD and more gibs to Blacks.

    It will be drive and wave for Blacks and beat down for Whites in the park or at church.

    Every White will try to pass for Mexican at least.

    This will happen globally. Almost every woman is going to want those on top – Blacks particularly the criminal and none of those on the bottom– White men especially those law abiding.

    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?

    This is that squared.

    Absolute monarchs at least favored White men who produced wealth or were able soldiers as they increased the monarchs power versus other monarchs. Our rulers favor those who drain the coffers and consume not produce wealth and are not able soldiers. It is open season on White men.

    This means our rulers are mostly foreign and have no lasting interest in the nations power or wealth. They are merely a bigger band of looters aiming to retire to Dubai or Singapore.

    Or they are rolled by the women in their life who think as all women do with their lady tingles.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Whiskey


    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?
     
    No.

    Just because Rolling Stone tried to make him into a sex symbol doesn’t mean that he ever actually was a sex symbol. I doubt that anything more than the few usual assorted crazies ever got their panties wet looking at it.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Whiskey

    Rioting is very profitable, sad to say. Jim Mattis and Mark Esper pretty much guaranteed the rioters will make out like bandits yet again.

    America sure seems like it's toast. I'm still hoping a few slightly influential people will start bringing up secession.

  114. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

    Around forty years ago I attempted to intervene in a tussle that was going on at the Philadelphia Mummer’s parade. A Highway Patrol officer gave me a whack across both shoulder blades with his nightstick. I was instantly amenable to his every suggestion.

  115. During the 1980s and early 1990s, fewer than one out of every 2,000 black men would kill a person in any year.

    Oh, well that’s encouraging. Of course if you run the math for the length of someone’s life it turns out that could mean that “only” 70/2000 black men – about 1 in 30 – will murder someone during there lives. Perhaps with the decline in murder rates since the 80s it’s down to 1 in 50. I feel so much better.

  116. You clowns are just wetting your pants, you’re so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That’s all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn’t do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It’s like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn’t that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh, Truth
    • Replies: @Saul
    @obwandiyag

    I have noticed a universal truth about black people: To you, black behavior towards white people is invisible. Your brain literally cannot process such information. That is why you will never understand what white people are upset about.

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @obwandiyag

    Textbook. Beautiful even! Coming from someone whose obvious sense of existence stems from making strange and unpleasant blurtings on this website.

    And that's before your epic projection gets to the oddly addended homosexual bit...

    Roflmao...

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @res
    @obwandiyag

    You definitely do your part to help make it easy to complain about blacks.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @obwandiyag

    "You clowns are just wetting your pants"

    Don't knock it 'till you tried it.

    "That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks."

    I also enjoy wetting my pants.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    , @Aplomb
    @obwandiyag

    Why are you here? You shit up everything with idiotic takes. Go away.

    , @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    What is this, "Up Late with McBain?"

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @obwandiyag

    You don't like homosexuals,do you? You know how to handle a homosexual,I bet.

  117. Redpilled Matt Yglesias explains himself:

  118. @Whiskey
    Garcetti in LA is proposing 200 million cuts to the LAPD and more gibs to Blacks.

    It will be drive and wave for Blacks and beat down for Whites in the park or at church.

    Every White will try to pass for Mexican at least.

    This will happen globally. Almost every woman is going to want those on top - Blacks particularly the criminal and none of those on the bottom-- White men especially those law abiding.

    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?

    This is that squared.

    Absolute monarchs at least favored White men who produced wealth or were able soldiers as they increased the monarchs power versus other monarchs. Our rulers favor those who drain the coffers and consume not produce wealth and are not able soldiers. It is open season on White men.

    This means our rulers are mostly foreign and have no lasting interest in the nations power or wealth. They are merely a bigger band of looters aiming to retire to Dubai or Singapore.

    Or they are rolled by the women in their life who think as all women do with their lady tingles.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Morris Applebaum IV

    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?

    No.

    Just because Rolling Stone tried to make him into a sex symbol doesn’t mean that he ever actually was a sex symbol. I doubt that anything more than the few usual assorted crazies ever got their panties wet looking at it.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Wilkey

    Every sicko killer gets fan mail from women wanting to marry him and/or spring him from prison.

  119. @Abe
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief.
     
    At some point we all will be put to the Inquisition. This is madness. I have gotten emails about Black Lives Matter from my bank, my megalo healthcare provider, my employer. We have gotten national- international!- riots over a single policing incident hyped by megalo-corp media properties staffed by insipid, mentally-failure-to-launch twerps desperate to get their TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD LARP on.

    Turns out that the neck-stomp is a standard, internationally-approved police hold? Whoops, now you tell us! Turns out Floyd died at least partly of a heart attack, not strangulation, thanks to the cocktail of drugs in his system? Don’t let facts get in the way of optics!

    There is now a very good chance the officer will be acquitted given the overreach of the 2nd-degree murder charge- at least if the jury has any integrity, though the media & our great-and-good virtue signaling elite has almost ensured it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. Societal-wide reparations are now being discussed when there is no certainty there was even a crime.

    Rage, recourse to fact & logic, sarcasm, do not seem like winning strategies to me. An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    Delivered with utmost Buddha-like serenity:

    “You believe Black lives matter and I believe all lives matter. Please respect my right to my beliefs as I respect yours. In your worldview Black people are very very important, but they are not so central to mine.”

    Will this save you from Twerk-qwe-mada’s rack? Worth a shot.

    Replies: @Cranberries, @Not Only Wrathful, @Lockean Proviso

    If you are a tolerant person, you won’t need to appeal for tolerance from others like you. They’ll know and they’ll give it regardless.

    This is a simple fact when you think about it.

    The problem is that calmly admitting to yourself that another person really has no tolerance for you is hard, so we tend to make excuses on others’ behalves in order to soothe ourselves. It’s a common and understandable delusion. We don’t won’t to admit (to ourselves) that they make us feel afraid.

    Instead, many of these people are most certainly not tolerant. They’re fanatics looking for “completeness” in a movement, and your disagreement, even if silent, is standing in the way of what they truly believe is them becoming their best selves.

    In reality, you temporarily stand in as an enemy preventing them from coming to what they mistakenly, but sincerely, believe is “home”. It is not an exaggeration that this makes you a demon from their own head conjured into real life. And you’re asking for toleration?!?

    The best thing therefore is to honestly tell them, even if only through very subtle implication, how scary/creepy/sad/false/odd they are coming across and how particularly you, when talking with them, can’t shake the unnerving feeling that you’re speaking with a cult member or someone who’s been bodysnatched.

    This need not be done in a cruel way. It is actually a moment for connection. You feel alienated from them and they most certainly feel alienated from themselves.

    One way to do this is to ask nicely and kindly, because, of course you do feel like being nice and kind to a deluded broken cult member, “is it possible that you could be wrong”?

    Or, you could soften it further by prefacing it with “I find I am often wrong, and really enjoy it, and actually, it is one of my favourite qualities about myself.”

    But I can’t predict how the natural moment will be! The underlying point, however, is to discern how you really see them underneath all of the noise generated in political discussion and then treat them as you authentically feel (post sifting out the noise.)

    Clever arguments, like pointing out the contradiction of the fanatic who espouses tolerance, are only good for amusing third parties and yourself. That is, unless they actually are tolerant in which case they can take the joke at their expense.

    Of course, if they really like/love you already then they may be tolerant to you in a way they wouldn’t be tolerant to others, but beware, that if they are fanatical, that you are putting them in a very stressful position of dissonance.

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Some great discussions and helpful advice in these comments. Thanks!

  120. Saul says:

    The white crime rate rose sharply in the late 80’s and during the 90’s? Eh? Does Mr. Wilson actually believe such nonsense?

    What other demographic might be causing this change. . ? Take all the time you need. . .

    (It’s Hispanics. The number of Hispanics rose by tens of millions.)

    Look at any statistic that separates white people and Hispanics into two categories and you will see no such jump.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  121. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    I have noticed a universal truth about black people: To you, black behavior towards white people is invisible. Your brain literally cannot process such information. That is why you will never understand what white people are upset about.

  122. @Altai
    @John Achterhof

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @anon, @JMcG, @J1234

    Rwandans killed half a million of their fellow citizens with machetes in 1994.

  123. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    Why is Hollywood missing out on the theme of fantasy counter-racism? We have had the “Hunger Games” stories in which in the near future white people are annually chosen to kill other white people for some sort of political agenda. I may be wrong about this because in spite of trying several times to watch these very popular films I just can’t. They are too stupid and improbable.

    I have seen the also popular “Escape from New York” and “Escape from LA films”. The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable. No verisimilitude. There are also many other similar but less famous films where there has been a crazy social reorganization because of some societal problem, often crime. Most of these make very little sense. In the similar area crazy social adjustments to current environmental policies. For example the idea that melting all the ice sheets would cover the whole earth. Doing that raises the sea level about 200 feet. My house is at 1,000 feet in the Oakland hills. My previous apartment in San Francisco was at about 800 feet. Most people in America would never personally experience a sea level rise of 200 feet. When I saw this movie in the theater I didn’t know the statistics but it seemed very improbable. It took me out of the movie. Yet almost everyone in the national movie audiences accepts such wild improbabilities.

    Which brings us back to the absence of movies about the treatment of blacks in some imagined future America. For example, why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros. White guys hunt black guys. The movie script almost writes itself. We used to have bounties on wolves and bears and Indians (I think). Our troops in Viet Nam wore strings of ears. So it is nowhere near as crazy as the plots of many Hollywood features of the past few years. I would have thought such a plot – sort of “Escape from New York” crossed with “The Hunger Games” – would be a natural.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Pat Boyle


    ... why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros? White guys hunt black guys.
     
    According to BLM this is the present. The owners of Hollywood dislike the concept as well. The recent Watchmen t.v. series was the opposite.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Pat Boyle

    I have seen the also popular “Escape from New York” and “Escape from LA films”. The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable.

    Kind of like "Death Wish" (1974) vs "Death Wish 3" (1986).

  124. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Textbook. Beautiful even! Coming from someone whose obvious sense of existence stems from making strange and unpleasant blurtings on this website.

    And that’s before your epic projection gets to the oddly addended homosexual bit…

    Roflmao…

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Africans like Obi don’t really have the Western concept of homosexuality versus heterosexuality. Sex is just sex. It’s one of the reasons that AIDS spread so widely in Africa including to women, and that the infection rate For Blacks in the US is a multiple of the rate for Whites. The men have no problem screwing each other when no women are available. In the US they use the term “being on the down-low“ for men with female partners still getting with each other. ( hmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe the ancient Greeks really did steal ideas from Africa!)
    Obi literally doesn’t understand that there is any difference between hetero and homo. An orifice is an orifice, so he’s puzzled why anyone would even think about it.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  125. “Of course the average African American male is not likely to kill anybody”

    The average African American male is quite likely to join a swarm of other African American males in kicking and stomping a victim who already lies semi-conscious on the ground. Call it instinct.

  126. @Truth
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour...I’m quite serious
     
    I believe that you are quite serious. I believe that you are probably also quite stupid. For some reason we have come to adopt the specious notion in our age that these two adjectives are mutually incompatible.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    I’m as stupid as I was serious!

    Neat observation; even if consciously unintended (-;

  127. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    You definitely do your part to help make it easy to complain about blacks.

  128. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    “You clowns are just wetting your pants”

    Don’t knock it ’till you tried it.

    “That’s all there is to you. Complaining about blacks.”

    I also enjoy wetting my pants.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Lol!

  129. @ConservaWhig
    @John Achterhof

    James Q. Wilson himself has listed many explanations for America's high rates of violence. Just watch some of his public talks and you'll probably hear all of them:

    https://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=Videos&sort=Newest&personid[]=27074


    My own explanations:

    1) Guns (very inexpensive and efficient killing devices)
    2) Diversity (weakens social conformity and respect for authority)
    3) Black Americans (more violent by nature and/or nurture)
    4) "Wide Open Spaces" (easy for the guilty to run away and hide)
    5) "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" (easier for those caught to get off)
    6) "A Nation of Immigrants" (you must be a hard-boiled character to both come here and stay here)

    Replies: @Jack D

    Other than #1 and 3, how is this different than say Canada or Australia?

    #3 can be discounted in the sense that even removing blacks, US whites have a higher murder rate than other Western countries. Could it be that some of our “whites” are not really white?

    • Replies: @ConservaWhig
    @Jack D

    As the Trayvon Martin incident taught us, the US does indeed have "white Hispanics."

    I don't know enough about the Canadian and Australian justice systems to compare them to the US.

    Canada and Australia may technically have fewer residents per square mile than the US. But huge swathes of land in those countries (Outback, Arctic) are essentially uninhabitable.

    The composition of immigrants may, and likely does, differ in many ways between the three countries.

    The US definitely has a larger population, and percentage share, of non-whites than either Canada or Australia.

    I suspect that Canadians and Australians are better educated than Americans as well. Dummies probably murder, and get murdered, more often than smart people.

    , @ConservaWhig
    @Jack D

    As the Trayvon Martin incident taught us, the US does indeed have "white Hispanics."

    I don't know enough about the Canadian and Australian justice systems to compare them to the US.

    Canada and Australia may technically have fewer residents per square mile than the US. But huge swathes of land in those countries (Outback, Arctic) are essentially uninhabitable.

    The composition of immigrants may, and likely does, differ in many ways between the three countries.

    The US definitely has a larger population, and percentage share, of non-whites than either Canada or Australia.

    I suspect that Canadians and Australians are better educated than Americans as well. Dummies probably murder, and get murdered, more often than smart people.

    , @128
    @Jack D

    Hey, I you are really afraid to be stabbed in the street go to Slovenia or something.

  130. @Altai
    The bots are becoming real. Same idiosyncratic message. One in London, one in the US somewhere.

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/154/777/original/3bfa4003a28857b8.jpeg

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-03%20at%2012.45.22%20PM.png

    Girl with red dyed hair in left.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Wild Geese Howard, @black sea, @Cloudbuster, @Chrisnonymous, @SomeoneOutHere

    My,such eloquent grammar on the sign in the top photo!Please tell me which illustrious university were these,er,”women” edumacated?Ghetto & Hoodrat ‘nd Sheeyit U?

  131. @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    “it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work”

    The struggle against systematic whitey is a full-time job, and very exhausting. Construction work is for Brown Bodies, not Black Bodies.

  132. @theMann
    @John Achterhof

    All American countries, from Labrador to Tierra del Fuego, are more violent than Europe or Asia, generally speaking. And the Central American countries are the most violent of the bunch. Canada and the White part of the USA are the least violent.

    The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.

    Replies: @Huisache, @SBaker

    Central America is pretty violent but Costa Rica is not, at least from what I could tell on a couple of trips. High literacy, generous safety net and no effing army murdering peasants like in the rest of the area

  133. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don't know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don't want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It's like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:


    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”
     
    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @TomSchmidt, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    This was funny:

    “My sister just got married…. They took each others’ last names and hyphenated it, so now my sister’s name is Susan Silverman-Abromowitz. They’re going to shorten it to just, uh, Jews.”

  134. @Lars Porsena
    @joeyjoejoe


    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone.
     
    This part I think is stupid.

    For one, I'm pretty sure the cops are already not allowed to stop and question people just for being black. It's like liberals saying we need laws to prevent anonymous people from buying machine guns online.

    For two, it doesn't work for shit and never will. What you get is mandatory gaslighting of black people - I stopped you because your tail light wasn't working, failure to signal a lane change, seat belt, etc.

    I think this actually escalates a lot of situations when the people know the cop is lying to them about why they're being stopped and questioned, and they get angry and confrontational about it.

    I'm white, I've been pulled over by cops and questioned for no ostensible reason. One time while turning out of a gas station a cop was pulling into the gas station and drove straight through my line of sight looking at oncoming traffic. There was a millisecond of eye contact and I somehow knew immediately that he was going to pull me over. It was like I was psychic. I'm watching my rear view and I see him bust back out of the gas station parking lot he turned into after I pulled out, and 2 blocks later he hits his sirens. I don't recall him ever giving me a reason actually.

    But I got out of it without anything - no ticket, no warning, no nothing. I hadn't done anything except make a split-second of eye contact by accident. He apparently thought I looked suspicious. When he hit his lights to pull me over I (with a bit of smartass malice) pulled into my own driveway, since it was right there. It really screwed with their heads, especially when they couldn't control the scene. They were young newbie cops which also kind of irritated me being hassled by a fricking teenage authority in front of my own house. They told me I could go and I just got out of the car (in my driveway) and waved them away, and they had to leave the scene first while I remained. I could tell it unsettled them like they couldn't quite process what was going on. Normally the cop remains until you leave, and you're not suppose to get out of your car. But I was in my driveway. It screwed up all the procedure and training.

    Anyway, if they have to give you a reason, I've been given bullshit reasons plenty of times. Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away. You're not just making that up now to justify why you pulled me over. And what's the real reason? I will never know.

    If they have to give you a reason, they will have to give you a bullshit ticket (or a warning, which also carries fines). These types of things just make the problems worse. Cops should be able to tell you they pulled you over because they felt like it (or why-ever else), because otherwise they just make up BS reasons and fine you for it.

    Racial profiling often makes sense. You see a black man slow-cruising at night through a residential white neighborhood where you know he probably has no friends and definitely is not visiting his grandma, it's a legitimate question what he's doing there.

    Vice versa, I had a white cop who works some days in a black neighborhood tell me straight out that he racial profiles in both white and black neighborhoods. In a black neighborhood, if you see a white teenager driving his parent's Mercedes in the ghetto, you pull him over and you pat him down and check his wallet. If he has cash on him, you tell him to go home. If he has no cash on him, you call in drug sniffing dogs and search the car because he already spent the money. What the hell else is he doing there? You know he's not visiting his grandma either.

    Replies: @peterike

    Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away.

    You do know that police have scanners that read license plates and alert them if you have out of date registration, haven’t paid your car insurance, etc?

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @peterike

    On registration of plates, yes I do. Scanners in general, yes. Insurance? No. Their scanners don't tell them whether you're paid on your insurance.

    Are you disputing that cops ever pull people over and come up with justifications after the fact?

  135. @VinnyVette
    @Harry Baldwin

    Most whites may not know blacks statistically commit murder at 7 or 8 x the rate of whites, but their gut instinct tells them to cross the street when a black approaches. Even the most ardent BLM or black apologist knows damn well they are dangerous. And Silverman is about as funny as Ellen Degenerate! Never was!

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Most whites may not know blacks statistically commit murder at 7 or 8 x the rate of whites, but their gut instinct tells them to cross the street when a black approaches.

    The relevant stat isn’t relative murder rate. It’s the relative rate at which the races commit unprovoked acts of violence against strangers. And *that* relative rate is many times higher.

  136. @TomSchmidt
    @RichardTaylor

    Conventional religions with conventional morality exist partially because they protect the genetic interests of the vast majority of men who aren't pickup artists. PC just backs up the ability of those on top of the pyramid to do what they like, which exists already and doesn't benefit most men (and ultimately, most women who aren't between 18 and 35). You either get a revolt by the frustrated men, or you get them dropping out, undermining the wealth of the society and so its ability to defend itself.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Our current culture does benefit women greatly. They get the baby daddy lifestyle like a Kardashian they all crave. It screws over average White dudes but we are a powerless and unimportant group that does not matter.

    White Women love this stuff. Look at all of them all over the globe calling for the abolition of White men so they can have their very own rapper.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Whiskey

    So long as they can hold that rapper's interest. Beyond 35, no. It's an unpaired and unbounded lonely existence. Men can live that life, because a lot do. You have 100 male explorers for every Amelia Earhart going off on her own. Women do not care for solitude, but the current setup brings a lot of it to them past 40.

  137. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    Good behavior or bad marksmanship?

  138. @Whiskey
    Garcetti in LA is proposing 200 million cuts to the LAPD and more gibs to Blacks.

    It will be drive and wave for Blacks and beat down for Whites in the park or at church.

    Every White will try to pass for Mexican at least.

    This will happen globally. Almost every woman is going to want those on top - Blacks particularly the criminal and none of those on the bottom-- White men especially those law abiding.

    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?

    This is that squared.

    Absolute monarchs at least favored White men who produced wealth or were able soldiers as they increased the monarchs power versus other monarchs. Our rulers favor those who drain the coffers and consume not produce wealth and are not able soldiers. It is open season on White men.

    This means our rulers are mostly foreign and have no lasting interest in the nations power or wealth. They are merely a bigger band of looters aiming to retire to Dubai or Singapore.

    Or they are rolled by the women in their life who think as all women do with their lady tingles.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Morris Applebaum IV

    Rioting is very profitable, sad to say. Jim Mattis and Mark Esper pretty much guaranteed the rioters will make out like bandits yet again.

    America sure seems like it’s toast. I’m still hoping a few slightly influential people will start bringing up secession.

  139. rexl says:
    @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, we used to be general contractors and noticed the same thing. Occassionally, on job walks we would see a black subcontractor, he/she was surrounded, given cards, etc. but never showed up, never offered a bid. We would tell the person that we had a plan room, coffee, donuts, (shit, we would have given a coupon for dinner) but not a one person showed up. Too bad, we were pretty successful. And yes we had lots of Mexicans, and most of our crew was the same.

    I go to Home Depot today, and see very few black people, lots of Mexicans, and a spattering of white people. But no blacks, weird.

  140. This thing is really working. Trump has lost 20% of his support in the last week.

    • Replies: @res
    @ben tillman

    Do you believe those polls?

    Replies: @ben tillman

  141. OT: those Chris Palmer tweets:

    (Note: this is so hilarious that it might possibly be some kind of trolling put-on)

    Yes, and as a Twitter commenter said, the “gated community” line makes it sound like a pure invention.

    But it is genuine. He deleted the tweets, but they are still in the Google cache.

    Google for:

    @ChrisPalmerNBA “burn that shit down”

    to get the first; and

    @ChrisPalmerNBA “They just attacked our sister”

    to get the second.

  142. The problem isn’t racism – its innumeracy. Blacks commit most of the trouble in America. So when people recognize that blacks commit eight times as many murders as whites people, they don’t understand the numbers and what they mean. Those who are not so good with numbers often fall into the fallacy of thinking blacks commit ALL murders. Well that’s wrong. Whites commit plenty of murders. Apparently East Asians don’t do so very much. But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white.

    We ignore it when we learn that a black committed a murder. Murder just seems to be a natural racial characteristic of the African descended. To take notice, much less complain, seems unfair. It’s just what blacks do.

    Blacks are not very good at math. For example I have long argued that Barrack Obama probably couldn’t do long division. Maybe I’m wrong, but who has ever seen his transcripts or test scores?

    These “protesters” (the media accepted term for looters and violent thugs) seem to think whites should never kill blacks the way that blacks kill whites. They confuse the fact that whites seldom kill with the idea that whites never kill. The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed. But whites aren’t saints. East Asians may be. Bravo Asians.

    Here’s an idea. The black guy they murdered was hardly a model citizen. He was a dope addict among other things. The world is better off without him. Lets give the cop murderers medals and then execute them. That would set a nice tone of confused intentions and uncertain and ambiguous actions – very appropriate for current American race relations.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    @Pat Boyle

    " But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white."

    Only one of those cops was white. Where did you get that nonsense from? Two third world mystery meat, one Asian, one actual white.

    , @Znzn
    @Pat Boyle

    Much of the difference in the homicide rate between Whites and Asians is basically driven by the opoid and meth epidemic, which disproportionately affects whites, caused by their dispossession from their own country, before the mid-2000s, the homicide rate difference between Whites and Asians was negligible, it became worse afterwards due to the rise of the opoid and meth epidemic among Whites, which you can see in the Great White Death, Asians share a part of the blame here as well, since they are also part of the races that are taking part in making Whites a minority in their own country. As for the differences in homicide rates between Western European and Asian countries, how much of that is driven by the vibrant youth portion of the population, instead of native white Danes or Swedes?

    , @Anonymous
    @Pat Boyle


    The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed.
     
    You must be joking. The cops did everything according to regulation. This is why they're going to walk. No court is going to punish a cop for following his training.
  143. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    The CEO of American Airlines on CNBC today was blubbering over his experience riding on Southwest down to Florida; he had a copy of “White Fragility” with him and a Flight Attendant of Color talked with him about it. So now whatever appeasement AAL is handing out to privileged people of color it will have to double.

    This really is a cult. The cult of color. White skin is now original sin and that sin cannot be expiated except through groveling, perpetual, endless groveling.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anon

    I very much doubt the black flight attendant spoke to him about it. Part of their training is to not get into political religious current events or personal conversations.

    The White CEO probably sees few blacks in his daily life. So he saw her and tried to draw her into a conversation about race. She probably listened for a bit and then tactfully withdrew.

    Or else he made the whole thing up.

    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    It seems American Airlines (AAL) is in much bigger trouble than the markets have already priced in.

    Time to short AAL?

    Or is this a personal thing to make the AAL CEO himself look good to the HR ladies after an impending forced merger?

  144. I’m wondering if the attempted murder rate in Europe for whites is nearer or at least close to the American white murder rate? If you attempt to kill someone with a gun you’re more likely to succeed, but with a knife or baseball bat the intent is the same but end result is usually very different.
    Apparently some people when they stab someone and see the blood and shock on someone’s face immediately regret what they do, similar to the way when someone knocks someone out in a fight they rarely will continue to pummel them while they’re unconscious and often feel sympathy for the person even though they have an obvious conflict with their victim.

    • Replies: @128
    @Deputy Absurd

    Apparently White Americans are 10 times more murderous than Slovenians.

  145. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    What is the cause of this overall character?

    For the White American population, it’s a regional thing. The South is a very violent region. For example, in 2018, the homicide rate for West Virginia was 3.7 per 100,000. In Vermont, it was 1.6:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

  146. Abe says:
    @Cranberries
    @Abe


    An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.
     
    I think this is really misguided. This is what evangelical Christians have been saying for years, and they've been steamrolled.

    We are dealing with an inferno of moralistic fervor. Fence-sitters or generally apolitical people are being forced to choose sides-- "silence=violence". The armies of wokesters are rapidly converting people through aggressive moral shaming. When the entire Fortune 500, every major newspaper, and half of John Q Normie's social circle erupts in frenzied virtue signaling, he's usually going along for the ride. It's just easier. We have to give him an alternative, or at least impose some kind of cost for mouthing woke platitudes.

    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done-- its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: "Why don't you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc". The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they're often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong. This isn't sustainable-- you can't resist aggression with pacifism ("tolerance").

    Replies: @Abe

    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong.

    I totally agree, but I think this will not work. Meeting their righteous fury with our righteous fury will fail because they outnumber us and so have peer reinforcement on their side, and have been so conditioned something very much like crimestop occurs when you point out their contradictory logic or adherence to impossible, self-cancelling facts- they do not reconsider, they get even more mad.

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    This is basically a copy of Steve’s entire wryly cynical MO, but instead of winking at the Wokester as some crass, venal, hypocritical careerist who can’t possibly believe what he publicly espouses, I’m indulgently treating them- again, with Dalai Lama-like serenity- as a kooky spiritual seeker with some really crazy and self-destructive beliefs, but whatddya whatddya, just don’t expect me to hop on your crazy train, bud’. Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.

    This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”)

    This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech. When things approach EU-levels of thought control anarcho-tyranny, you will be right.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Abe

    "Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic."

    Per the observation of the latest round of rioting, looting, burning, etc. Many wokesters have weapons, and aren't likely to be very happy at being challenged and/or made even more angry than they already are.


    "This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech."

    Oh, that's so cute, and quaint. That's soooo 2005. Freedom of speech? What's that? Ok, let's test it. If you want to see how free you are, go and insult, mock, impugn various groups that are considered to be sainted, anointed, and protected in 2020 US. See what happens. And then do use the "But, after all, we have freedom of speech and therefore should be protected from violence, or any repercussions due to what has been said."

    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you're correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.

    Go ahead. Say something publicly (e.g. around an MSM who can then report on it for viewers/listeners) something along the lines of the Bell Curve (updated for pop culture 2020 land), or something related to IQ and various groups. Make sure to state it real loud and clear so that there's no ambiguity in what's being said. Freedom of speech all the way, so it shouldn't be a problem. Go ahead.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Abe


    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?
     
    Sometimes, but very often that spouse, who is engaging in a form of self-sacrifice in order to help both parties, will instead come across as cold, dishonest and lizard-like.

    And yes, that lizard will infuriate and alienate. Their existence is a threat to the others' sense of self-control, as that sense, because it is not based on actual exercise of self-control, of course, is instead found through dramatising their situation. And the cold spouse who doesn't let the situation be dramatised is therefore pushing the turbulent one to look in the mirror, which they most definitely don't want to do.

    This means that projecting manipulative and hidden evil onto such a person becomes easy; especially given that they really are doing a directly nasty injustice to someone (themselves) and their actions are, if indirectly, causing obvious pain to another.

    Meanwhile the crazy spouse, whose turbulent passion is on display for everyone, can demand sympathy from most. At the least, almost everyone can see that they know not what they don't know and therefore have "innocence."

    Not that they don't know what they're doing in seeking to display innocence, but life is such that these two contradictory conditions can exist in one person at the same time.

    It is therefore much rarer to find a person who can see that the calm, self-denying spouse also knows not what they don't know. They too have innocence.

    And that they're feeling everything the other spouse is feeling, but, in an act of callousness bordering on evil, they are beating it out of themselves in order to (paradoxically) help the other spouse while also feeling empowered over them. That spouse hardly wants self-awareness of this either...

    These things are complicated, and of course general, but my firmest conclusion is that the sympathy of history simply goes to the winner!

    But, it would also be no bad thing, if, in the meantime, the lot who are being rioted against, might learn to make an authentic and assertive case for themselves. I know of no particular examples. This is strange.

    (Psychotic screeds replace deleting "blacks" for "whites" and "whites" for "Jews", in progressive dogma, don't count. They'll never stand up to the grounded passion of the real thing.)
    , @Marty
    @Abe

    Today I was waiting outside a Palo Alto restaurant waiting to order. On the corner were a dozen white protesters, one with a bullhorn, soliciting supporting honks from passing cars. In front of me in line was a white, mildly dykish security guard. Behind me were two soccer moms with four kids. I told the guard that what BLM actually wanted was to exempt blacks from the criminal law. She told me that was the most racist thing she ever heard. I asked her if she was allowed to stop black shoplifters. She turned away. Just then, and I’m not making this up, a guy who looked just like Ansel Adams walked by, with wife, wearing a MAGA hat. I gave him the thumbs up. Then I turned to one of the moms and with fake outrage said, “oh my GOD - did you see that?” One of the kids said, “what happened Mom?” and Mom said, “someone did something offensive.”

    Replies: @Abe

  147. Steve-O, bad news; your coalition of the fringes, healed up its cracks…

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhFCRn25j6Q2oEj7Y7

  148. “Then, beginning around 1975, the black rate declined while the white rate continued to increase, so that the ratio of black arrests to white arrests fell to around six to one”

    Likely because Hispanics (including blacks with latino names) are classified as ‘white’ in the official statistics.

    White testosterone levels plummeted in the 70s, and testosterone levels are correlated with aggression. The idea that whites, who were being feminized, were suddenly taking a shine to crime in the 1970s is ludicrous.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @jbwilson24

    We should be able to statistically track the skewing of "white" crime rates by Hispanics over time.

    , @Alden
    @jbwilson24

    Agree. I was a probation officer in the 1970s and 80s. Although the black percentage of the county was only 10 percent about 90 percent of the criminals in the majority White county were black.

    A person could spend a year going into every criminal court room and the city and county jail every day and they wouldn’t see a White face.

    The White criminals tended to be White collar forgers etc and domestic violence, mostly child abuse DV

  149. @Pat Boyle
    The problem isn't racism - its innumeracy. Blacks commit most of the trouble in America. So when people recognize that blacks commit eight times as many murders as whites people, they don't understand the numbers and what they mean. Those who are not so good with numbers often fall into the fallacy of thinking blacks commit ALL murders. Well that's wrong. Whites commit plenty of murders. Apparently East Asians don't do so very much. But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white.

    We ignore it when we learn that a black committed a murder. Murder just seems to be a natural racial characteristic of the African descended. To take notice, much less complain, seems unfair. It's just what blacks do.

    Blacks are not very good at math. For example I have long argued that Barrack Obama probably couldn't do long division. Maybe I'm wrong, but who has ever seen his transcripts or test scores?

    These "protesters" (the media accepted term for looters and violent thugs) seem to think whites should never kill blacks the way that blacks kill whites. They confuse the fact that whites seldom kill with the idea that whites never kill. The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed. But whites aren't saints. East Asians may be. Bravo Asians.

    Here's an idea. The black guy they murdered was hardly a model citizen. He was a dope addict among other things. The world is better off without him. Lets give the cop murderers medals and then execute them. That would set a nice tone of confused intentions and uncertain and ambiguous actions - very appropriate for current American race relations.

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @Znzn, @Anonymous

    ” But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white.”

    Only one of those cops was white. Where did you get that nonsense from? Two third world mystery meat, one Asian, one actual white.

  150. Znzn says:
    @Pat Boyle
    The problem isn't racism - its innumeracy. Blacks commit most of the trouble in America. So when people recognize that blacks commit eight times as many murders as whites people, they don't understand the numbers and what they mean. Those who are not so good with numbers often fall into the fallacy of thinking blacks commit ALL murders. Well that's wrong. Whites commit plenty of murders. Apparently East Asians don't do so very much. But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white.

    We ignore it when we learn that a black committed a murder. Murder just seems to be a natural racial characteristic of the African descended. To take notice, much less complain, seems unfair. It's just what blacks do.

    Blacks are not very good at math. For example I have long argued that Barrack Obama probably couldn't do long division. Maybe I'm wrong, but who has ever seen his transcripts or test scores?

    These "protesters" (the media accepted term for looters and violent thugs) seem to think whites should never kill blacks the way that blacks kill whites. They confuse the fact that whites seldom kill with the idea that whites never kill. The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed. But whites aren't saints. East Asians may be. Bravo Asians.

    Here's an idea. The black guy they murdered was hardly a model citizen. He was a dope addict among other things. The world is better off without him. Lets give the cop murderers medals and then execute them. That would set a nice tone of confused intentions and uncertain and ambiguous actions - very appropriate for current American race relations.

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @Znzn, @Anonymous

    Much of the difference in the homicide rate between Whites and Asians is basically driven by the opoid and meth epidemic, which disproportionately affects whites, caused by their dispossession from their own country, before the mid-2000s, the homicide rate difference between Whites and Asians was negligible, it became worse afterwards due to the rise of the opoid and meth epidemic among Whites, which you can see in the Great White Death, Asians share a part of the blame here as well, since they are also part of the races that are taking part in making Whites a minority in their own country. As for the differences in homicide rates between Western European and Asian countries, how much of that is driven by the vibrant youth portion of the population, instead of native white Danes or Swedes?

  151. Znzn says:

    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Znzn


    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything
     
    Same as here in the States comrade. Only fools think there's anything here worth mentioning.

    Synchronize spy watches... NOW
    , @Altai
    @Znzn

    Intelligence isn't really worth that much if you don't have a nice high trust society to nurture it. The NY Patriots are made up of rejects that were selected on the basis on being high trust people good at working within the system and playing as a team.

    The tragedy of high trust North-Western European societies isn't that they're nice and into abstract ideas, that they are more empathetic. It's that they're not left to be alone. Societies naturally undergo periods like this, it's just unusual to be inundated with immigrants to no end. Worse they're importing people who are the opposite of all those things, materialistic shameless ethnic nepotists who are untrustworthy. (In truth though, immigration will almost always be of people with more of the latter traits moving to places with more of the former.)

    IQ fetishists, like Slav fetishists really don't know what those places and people are really like.

    , @Altai
    @Znzn

    Low trust societies are bad for your health.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-47014595/brazil-dam-collapse-rescuers-search-for-hundreds-buried-under-mud-slide

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gEMep8xLHk

    , @Pincher Martin
    @Znzn

    Low- and high-trust societies in developed countries are unrelated to average IQ.

    Germans, Americans and Japanese are high-trust societies.

    Italians, Chinese and South Koreans are low-trust societies.

    They all have approximately the same average IQ. The average Asian IQ might be a little higher than the average European IQ, but that isn't the critical factor in the split between high- and low-trust societies even after controlling for race.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @vhrm
    @Znzn


    whitewashed banana American Chinese.
     
    Some of my favorite people!
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Znzn

    Can you elaborate on your experience in China?

    Replies: @Znzn

  152. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    Years ago I read a comment written by a European journalist—he/she may have been French but I’m not sure–to the effect that America’s fatal weakness is wanting to have it both ways. That always stuck with me. After all, it’s embedded in our own Declaration of Independence with the “all men are created equal” bit. Recall Dr. Johnson’s acerbic comment about those who cry the loudest about freedom being “drovers of negroes.”

    Walker Percy once wrote that the United States was far and away the most religious society and simultaneously the most materialistic society in the history of the world!

    John Adams, the most skeptical and hardheaded of The Founders, at times expressed doubts that this thing of ours could last. We are a country that has twisted itself into a pretzel in an effort to define itself, this as a consequence of being a so-called “propositional” as opposed to an “organic” nation-state, founded not on the basis of a common culture, language etc. but, rather, on the basis of sweeping abstract generalities about “equality”, “liberty” etc. etc., albeit without success After almost 245 years we still don’t know (1.)who we are ; (2.) what we are; (3.) what we want, or; (4.) where we are going.

    At present only (4) seems to have an answer: Hell.

    • Replies: @John Achterhof
    @Prester John

    The Percy remark strikes me as an accurate observation of America. Maybe strong religious fervor correlates less with piety than with a tribalist penchant and a bygone vehicle of status seeking, when Church was king. Now money is king. Of course as others have mentioned there are significant regional differences.

  153. I remember travelling to China and losing a couple of gloves and a camera.

  154. @Anon
    I seem to remember a recent item somewhere (here?) about a researcher who untangled the mess of the “Hispanic” category in FBI crime statistics. Hispanics can be white, black, indiginous Central or South American, or mixed, and people can classify themselves as just Hispanic or as Hispanic and something else.

    Anyway, after making some reasonable assumptions, this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Can someone guide me to that article?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon

  155. @OilcanFloyd
    Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gordo, @kihowi, @The Alarmist, @Mike Tre

    What do whites get out of any of this?

    If we’re lucky, our lives, albeit not much more.

  156. @Abe
    @Cranberries


    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong.
     

    I totally agree, but I think this will not work. Meeting their righteous fury with our righteous fury will fail because they outnumber us and so have peer reinforcement on their side, and have been so conditioned something very much like crimestop occurs when you point out their contradictory logic or adherence to impossible, self-cancelling facts- they do not reconsider, they get even more mad.

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    This is basically a copy of Steve’s entire wryly cynical MO, but instead of winking at the Wokester as some crass, venal, hypocritical careerist who can’t possibly believe what he publicly espouses, I’m indulgently treating them- again, with Dalai Lama-like serenity- as a kooky spiritual seeker with some really crazy and self-destructive beliefs, but whatddya whatddya, just don’t expect me to hop on your crazy train, bud’. Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.


    This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”)
     
    This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech. When things approach EU-levels of thought control anarcho-tyranny, you will be right.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Not Only Wrathful, @Marty

    “Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.”

    Per the observation of the latest round of rioting, looting, burning, etc. Many wokesters have weapons, and aren’t likely to be very happy at being challenged and/or made even more angry than they already are.

    “This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech.”

    Oh, that’s so cute, and quaint. That’s soooo 2005. Freedom of speech? What’s that? Ok, let’s test it. If you want to see how free you are, go and insult, mock, impugn various groups that are considered to be sainted, anointed, and protected in 2020 US. See what happens. And then do use the “But, after all, we have freedom of speech and therefore should be protected from violence, or any repercussions due to what has been said.”

    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.

    Go ahead. Say something publicly (e.g. around an MSM who can then report on it for viewers/listeners) something along the lines of the Bell Curve (updated for pop culture 2020 land), or something related to IQ and various groups. Make sure to state it real loud and clear so that there’s no ambiguity in what’s being said. Freedom of speech all the way, so it shouldn’t be a problem. Go ahead.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.
     
    The large majority of Americans are squishy normies and that is who we are talking about (sorry, I may have confused the matter with my imprecision) winning over, not hardcore Woke ideologues who are at best sounding boards to use to win over still-winnable 3rd parities.

    Look, in 2004 wouldn’t you say Howard Dean, on balance, was more right than Dubya Bush? Wasn’t even freakin’ Michael Moore more right than Dubya- at least on the biggest issues? (hard to see how he could have been more wrong)

    Yet Dean was laughed off stage even by a sympathetic liberal press looking for a Cowboy-slayer for his apoplectic screaming antics even though he was mostly right and had reason to be angry (Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done). Interestingly even Moore’s boiling anger during his Oscar acceptance speech was poorly received by his liberal Hollywood audience.

    The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden, @Peterike

  157. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    Why are you here? You shit up everything with idiotic takes. Go away.

  158. @JimDandy
    Prediction: The face of American police forces will change dramatically over the next decade, and ten years from now, instead of archetypal cops with the map of Ireland on their faces, the men in blue will be the persons in blue--twerking transexual cops of color, hyper-aggressive lesbian cops showing us what toxic masculinity really looks like, Woke Karen cops arresting all the managers, flamboyantly gay cops heading snarkotics units and militantly-effete soy boy cops sitting around the station in their pajamas.

    Stock tip: Invest in private security firms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D97OxHZzBeQ

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio’s downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio’s downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.
     
    If the government minority affirmative action hires who weren’t fit for their jobs were fired at the same time, black and Hispanic unemployment figures would skyrocket to unprecedented highs, and all local courthouses and DMV's would have to close until further notice.
    , @JimDandy
    @Buffalo Joe

    I hear you, man. I posted this before, but THIS, ironically, is the inevitable outcome of quota-hiring cops who are unfit for the job:

    https://twitter.com/FreeRangeCritic/status/1233536447749201921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1233536447749201921&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fcomments%2Fall%2F%3Fcommenterfilter%3DJimDandy

  159. @Pat Boyle
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Why is Hollywood missing out on the theme of fantasy counter-racism? We have had the "Hunger Games" stories in which in the near future white people are annually chosen to kill other white people for some sort of political agenda. I may be wrong about this because in spite of trying several times to watch these very popular films I just can't. They are too stupid and improbable.

    I have seen the also popular "Escape from New York" and "Escape from LA films". The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable. No verisimilitude. There are also many other similar but less famous films where there has been a crazy social reorganization because of some societal problem, often crime. Most of these make very little sense. In the similar area crazy social adjustments to current environmental policies. For example the idea that melting all the ice sheets would cover the whole earth. Doing that raises the sea level about 200 feet. My house is at 1,000 feet in the Oakland hills. My previous apartment in San Francisco was at about 800 feet. Most people in America would never personally experience a sea level rise of 200 feet. When I saw this movie in the theater I didn't know the statistics but it seemed very improbable. It took me out of the movie. Yet almost everyone in the national movie audiences accepts such wild improbabilities.

    Which brings us back to the absence of movies about the treatment of blacks in some imagined future America. For example, why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros. White guys hunt black guys. The movie script almost writes itself. We used to have bounties on wolves and bears and Indians (I think). Our troops in Viet Nam wore strings of ears. So it is nowhere near as crazy as the plots of many Hollywood features of the past few years. I would have thought such a plot - sort of "Escape from New York" crossed with "The Hunger Games" - would be a natural.

    Replies: @Ray P, @Harry Baldwin

    … why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros? White guys hunt black guys.

    According to BLM this is the present. The owners of Hollywood dislike the concept as well. The recent Watchmen t.v. series was the opposite.

  160. @Abe
    @Cranberries


    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong.
     

    I totally agree, but I think this will not work. Meeting their righteous fury with our righteous fury will fail because they outnumber us and so have peer reinforcement on their side, and have been so conditioned something very much like crimestop occurs when you point out their contradictory logic or adherence to impossible, self-cancelling facts- they do not reconsider, they get even more mad.

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    This is basically a copy of Steve’s entire wryly cynical MO, but instead of winking at the Wokester as some crass, venal, hypocritical careerist who can’t possibly believe what he publicly espouses, I’m indulgently treating them- again, with Dalai Lama-like serenity- as a kooky spiritual seeker with some really crazy and self-destructive beliefs, but whatddya whatddya, just don’t expect me to hop on your crazy train, bud’. Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.


    This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”)
     
    This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech. When things approach EU-levels of thought control anarcho-tyranny, you will be right.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Not Only Wrathful, @Marty

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    Sometimes, but very often that spouse, who is engaging in a form of self-sacrifice in order to help both parties, will instead come across as cold, dishonest and lizard-like.

    And yes, that lizard will infuriate and alienate. Their existence is a threat to the others’ sense of self-control, as that sense, because it is not based on actual exercise of self-control, of course, is instead found through dramatising their situation. And the cold spouse who doesn’t let the situation be dramatised is therefore pushing the turbulent one to look in the mirror, which they most definitely don’t want to do.

    This means that projecting manipulative and hidden evil onto such a person becomes easy; especially given that they really are doing a directly nasty injustice to someone (themselves) and their actions are, if indirectly, causing obvious pain to another.

    Meanwhile the crazy spouse, whose turbulent passion is on display for everyone, can demand sympathy from most. At the least, almost everyone can see that they know not what they don’t know and therefore have “innocence.”

    Not that they don’t know what they’re doing in seeking to display innocence, but life is such that these two contradictory conditions can exist in one person at the same time.

    It is therefore much rarer to find a person who can see that the calm, self-denying spouse also knows not what they don’t know. They too have innocence.

    And that they’re feeling everything the other spouse is feeling, but, in an act of callousness bordering on evil, they are beating it out of themselves in order to (paradoxically) help the other spouse while also feeling empowered over them. That spouse hardly wants self-awareness of this either…

    These things are complicated, and of course general, but my firmest conclusion is that the sympathy of history simply goes to the winner!

    But, it would also be no bad thing, if, in the meantime, the lot who are being rioted against, might learn to make an authentic and assertive case for themselves. I know of no particular examples. This is strange.

    (Psychotic screeds replace deleting “blacks” for “whites” and “whites” for “Jews”, in progressive dogma, don’t count. They’ll never stand up to the grounded passion of the real thing.)

  161. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Now this is out of control police…

    “Christopher Jordan Dorner (June 4, 1979[2] – February 12, 2013) was a Los Angeles police officer who, beginning on February 3, 2013, committed a series of shootings in Orange County, Los Angeles County, and Riverside County, California.[3] The victims were police and other civilians, including police families. Dorner killed four people and wounded three others. On February 12, 2013, Dorner died during a standoff with San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputies after a shootout at a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains. ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt

  162. @Yawrate
    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.

    Not that there's any way to fix that particular problem.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Pincher Martin

    Yaw, Bingo!!! Winner Winner. Chicken dinner. But, you can only say that on sites such as iSteve.The problem is the 6000 ton elephant in the room. There, right there, for everyone to see, but not to notice or comment on. Watched an episode of “The First 48″ last night, lead in said…”Young father gunned down at Atlanta car wash.” The man, and I am using that term lightly, was 19 years old, with THREE children. Enough said.

  163. @Not Only Wrathful
    @obwandiyag

    Textbook. Beautiful even! Coming from someone whose obvious sense of existence stems from making strange and unpleasant blurtings on this website.

    And that's before your epic projection gets to the oddly addended homosexual bit...

    Roflmao...

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Africans like Obi don’t really have the Western concept of homosexuality versus heterosexuality. Sex is just sex. It’s one of the reasons that AIDS spread so widely in Africa including to women, and that the infection rate For Blacks in the US is a multiple of the rate for Whites. The men have no problem screwing each other when no women are available. In the US they use the term “being on the down-low“ for men with female partners still getting with each other. ( hmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe the ancient Greeks really did steal ideas from Africa!)
    Obi literally doesn’t understand that there is any difference between hetero and homo. An orifice is an orifice, so he’s puzzled why anyone would even think about it.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Alfa158


    ( hmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe the ancient Greeks really did steal ideas from Africa!)
     
    https://media.giphy.com/media/qiMbLh4WHEZyw/giphy.gif
  164. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Way OT – Scammers lied, people died.

    Surgisphere, the US company that provided all the “data” used by WHO to conclude the Trump Treatment didn’t work — it’s a shell. It has six (6) employees. Arguably a fake company. The research was fake research. It was all fake news. The New England Journal of Medicine and the UK’s Lancet both fell for the fake.

    Amazing that the Guardian of all entities noticed this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

    A search of publicly available material suggests several of Surgisphere’s employees have little or no data or scientific background. An employee listed as a science editor appears to be a science fiction author and fantasy artist. Another employee listed as a marketing executive is an adult model and events hostess.

    While Surgisphere claims to run one of the largest and fastest hospital databases in the world, it has almost no online presence. Its Twitter handle has fewer than 170 followers, with no posts between October 2017 and March 2020.

    Until Monday, the “get in touch” link on Surgisphere’s homepage redirected to a WordPress template for a cryptocurrency website, raising questions about how hospitals could easily contact the company to join its database.

    Scammers. Who decided these scammers were a reliable source of medical information?
    WHO has resumed hydroxy treatment tests, which should help the southern hemisphere, but precious time was lost because of the lies of scammers.

    Again, scammers lied, people died. There should be accountability.

  165. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @JimDandy

    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio's downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy

    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio’s downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.

    If the government minority affirmative action hires who weren’t fit for their jobs were fired at the same time, black and Hispanic unemployment figures would skyrocket to unprecedented highs, and all local courthouses and DMV’s would have to close until further notice.

  166. @Buffalo Joe
    @JimDandy

    jim, I used to set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio's downtown Lock 3 Park. I met a female black police sargent the first year there. Pleasant, but a joke of a cop at barely five feet tall. My seventh and last year with the event she was still only five feet tall but a legit 180 pounds.There is no way she could hace chased any one or subdued any criminal, but she had more stripes on her sleeve, and still pleasant. And, as an aside, in the near future all and any drugs will be legal.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JimDandy

    I hear you, man. I posted this before, but THIS, ironically, is the inevitable outcome of quota-hiring cops who are unfit for the job:

  167. @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    Also a consideration for those TradCaths and Traditionalists and Spenglerians who scream “Natalism uber alles! More birfs! As Evola pointed out, an excellent way to increase the number of untermenschen with but a small number, necessarily, of additional elite. More wiggers, not more Whites, in other words.

  168. @Abe
    @Cranberries


    What is needed is aggressively pointing out the huge lies that the woke narrative is based on. We are still at a point where for the most part, this is simply not done– its impolite to point out that blacks murder whites at vastly higher rates than vice versa, or that the average black IQ is 85.

    We need to beat this drum hard and couple it to our own rhetoric of moral shaming: “Why don’t you care about these savage mob beatings of whites by blacks? Do you support this? Why do you not bother to learn any of the actual facts about the problems you claim to be so concerned about? Etc”. The number of people who convince themselves of their own moral superiority because they repeat woke jargon is astounding. This happens because they’re often not even exposed to a counternarrative. While the woke call us evil, we call them merely wrong.
     

    I totally agree, but I think this will not work. Meeting their righteous fury with our righteous fury will fail because they outnumber us and so have peer reinforcement on their side, and have been so conditioned something very much like crimestop occurs when you point out their contradictory logic or adherence to impossible, self-cancelling facts- they do not reconsider, they get even more mad.

    At best, to a neutral observer, it looks likes a domestic altercation- two crazed spouses screaming at each other. In such cases isn’t the spouse who is less emotional, less vehement, more detached, usually considered the more credible (and implicitly correct) party?

    This is basically a copy of Steve’s entire wryly cynical MO, but instead of winking at the Wokester as some crass, venal, hypocritical careerist who can’t possibly believe what he publicly espouses, I’m indulgently treating them- again, with Dalai Lama-like serenity- as a kooky spiritual seeker with some really crazy and self-destructive beliefs, but whatddya whatddya, just don’t expect me to hop on your crazy train, bud’. Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic.


    This isn’t sustainable– you can’t resist aggression with pacifism (“tolerance”)
     
    This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech. When things approach EU-levels of thought control anarcho-tyranny, you will be right.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Not Only Wrathful, @Marty

    Today I was waiting outside a Palo Alto restaurant waiting to order. On the corner were a dozen white protesters, one with a bullhorn, soliciting supporting honks from passing cars. In front of me in line was a white, mildly dykish security guard. Behind me were two soccer moms with four kids. I told the guard that what BLM actually wanted was to exempt blacks from the criminal law. She told me that was the most racist thing she ever heard. I asked her if she was allowed to stop black shoplifters. She turned away. Just then, and I’m not making this up, a guy who looked just like Ansel Adams walked by, with wife, wearing a MAGA hat. I gave him the thumbs up. Then I turned to one of the moms and with fake outrage said, “oh my GOD – did you see that?” One of the kids said, “what happened Mom?” and Mom said, “someone did something offensive.”

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Marty


    In front of me in line was a white, mildly dykish security guard. Behind me were two soccer moms with four kids. I told the guard that what BLM actually wanted was to exempt blacks from the criminal law. She told me that was the most racist thing she ever heard.
     
    That’s a great start. We need to collaboratively help each other tune this to make it even better, like they do over on 4chan.

    Marty: BLM wants to exempt blacks from the criminal law.
    Lt. Dykestra: That’s most racist thing I’ve ever heard!
    McFly Jr.: I read it in a T’neishi [sic?] Coates/Megan Rapinoe/Tim Wise tweet.
    Lt. Khlamdivr: Oh?
    Irish Bug: No, not really.

    A diehard Wokester would seethe at being called out like this, but a normie (like either of the two moms behind you) would probably laugh at themselves, which creates rapport, which opens the channels for persuasion...

  169. Albert Schweitzer was, after all, right (though, I would not be as delicate as he was).

    “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men
    in any function of our civilization.
    I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him.
     
    What is the difference between destroy and devour?
  170. @Alfa158
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Africans like Obi don’t really have the Western concept of homosexuality versus heterosexuality. Sex is just sex. It’s one of the reasons that AIDS spread so widely in Africa including to women, and that the infection rate For Blacks in the US is a multiple of the rate for Whites. The men have no problem screwing each other when no women are available. In the US they use the term “being on the down-low“ for men with female partners still getting with each other. ( hmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe the ancient Greeks really did steal ideas from Africa!)
    Obi literally doesn’t understand that there is any difference between hetero and homo. An orifice is an orifice, so he’s puzzled why anyone would even think about it.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    ( hmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe the ancient Greeks really did steal ideas from Africa!)

  171. @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    Marty, Great observation. Years ago I was a Co-Director of an affirmative Action program to get more blacks into the Building Trades. A complete failure. The problem was you had to attend the apprenticeship program classes and work at the trade. Too much time, too much effort.Just give me the money. Now, if women want into the trades, good for them as long as they follow the program. All the training programs I read about where people “learn” to become Flagmen or learn about asbestos and lead abatement are a joke. With the hot metal and coal fired steam plants long gone, there is no asbestos left.

  172. @Chrisnonymous
    @Altai

    No doubt part of the reason for the fall in crime rates in the 70s and 80s mentioned by Wilson is that during that period, the expectation was for blacks to act like whites. It was an expectation not just from whites but apparently on the part of blacks as well--that as they came up in society, they would naturally act more civilized. It is perhaps well-demonstrated in the film Coming to America, in which Eddie Murphy plays a late-1980s African prince as a foil to the late-2010s African prince of Black Panther. Whereas the prince in Black Panther lives in a fantasy world of black African accomplishment yet remains fundamentally a violent African big man, the prince in Coming to America lives in a world of black African primitivity yet rises above it with his fundamentally white American middle-class views.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFroCRDXw5E

    What the photos Altai_2 posts show us is the reversal that's happened since Coming to America was made. Rather than blacks conforming to white American norms, whites now conform to black American norms.

    Sure, Steve can blame crack cocaine for violence, but I suspect that the reign of the "first black president" Bill Clinton is also to blame. Just by chronology, Clinton had to preside over some changes in the American view of blackness, and I suspect the promotion of radical black academics during this time is partly to blame for the cultural shifts. The sign those two girls are holding is partly the result of a failure to socially stigmatize the way the underclass talks.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    I assume you imply the “Civil Rights” movement was involved: OK, now you got yer rights, no more complaining.”

    Even earlier, Stanley Crouch talks about how the future bebop musicians grew up idolizing sophisticated blacks like Duke Ellington and disparaging the more minstrely (as they thought) Armstrong; hence they created a new kind of jazz that emphasized professionalism rather than (white) crowd pleasing antics. Crouch would agree with my inference then that rap is a return to primitive antics for pay.

  173. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Tim Wise got interviewed on CNN. (Yes, I don’t know how that is acceptable but it’s CNN)

    He gave us this quote.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-white-children-dont-deserve-innocence

    “I think the important thing for white parents to keep in the front of our mind is that if black children in this country are not allowed innocence and childhood without fear of being killed by police or marginalized in some other way, then our children don’t deserve innocence.” Wise proclaimed.

    ‘Our’…

  174. @JMcG
    @Jonathan Mason

    How bad was beer then that one could drink a bottle that contained mothballs? Surely an overhopped IPA?

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    I recently bought a box of moth balls and never used them, the box was COVERED with dire warnings about how deadly poisonous they damn things were. I couldn’t figure out the right set of circumstances, as described, that would allow me to deploy them without dying a stupid death. I suppose this is the result of decades of litigation. I conclude that I would not want to drink a bottle of anything with a single mothball in it. No matter how high quality some craft beer was, I get the impression one or two mothballs soaking in it would kill you pretty quickly, perhaps while saying something like, “Shit, man, what’s in this…” [falls down dead].

  175. @TGGP
    @TGGP

    I hadn't noted the page number to Roth's book when I read Stuntz, so I looked up the citation via Google Books:


    Roth notes that the end of the nineteenth century saw southern homicide rates surpass those in the Southwest, and saw a sharp rise in black homicide. See Roth, American Homicide, 387. The latter phenomenon happened in the North as well (ibid., 194-96, 387). Before the last years of the nineteenth century, whites were the more homicidal group. See, for example, the lower black homicide rate pre-1890 (ibid., 398).
     

    Replies: @Curle, @ATBOTL

    No one believes these numbers today. They just weren’t counting a lot of black on black murders because no one cared.

  176. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1268560411789529092

    Yglesias is never wrong you guys. Even when he is. He is so amazing, like watching a person watch the world around him in slow motion. Eventually he realises he was wrong but the people who were right when he was wrong were actually wrong for being right too early. It’s like a child that hasn’t developed the theory of mind to realise other people know different things from them. Whenever he learns or realises something, even through reading something somebody else wrote he brings it to his readers as if he is Moses.

    Is that why he has broken ranks and made lots of Michael Tracey-like posts about the total lack of concern from the media about massive (And implicitly unnecessary. Was the march in Aukland really necessary?) protests amid a pandemic? Did he particularly attack Trump for the response and the anti-lockdown protestors? And now he feels his need to defend that position more than his need to disregard the pandemic to own Drumpf.

  177. @anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don’t give a fuck.

    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK. You do remember that, don't you old boy? How the British people rose up and roared like a lion, and the British elites responded with swift and sure punishment for all the grooming gangs? Because of that sense of community?

    Silly old boy. Silly old troll.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK.

    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    You might compare to Florida, where, according to some claims, Epstein employed women to trawl the local trailer parks for prospects to join his stable of “masseuses”.

    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.

    It is also commonly claimed in the US that prostitutes on average start around the age of 13. I don’t know whether this is true, but it seems to go back to this detailed report from 2001

    http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220.pdf

    which is actually fairly contemporaneous with the Risky Business project in Rotherham and claimed that Commercial Sexual Exploitation of minors was common in the NAFTA nations and that pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or His-panic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe, to which I would still contend that the US is a more rootless society where people are much less concerned about social respectability and family reputation. Note, for example, in the case of a recent murder in Florida that I mentioned in another post in this thread, there is no mention whatsoever of his family.

    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason


    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.
     
    Well, there was a racial angle to the Rotherham business.....And the Brits are not completely cucked on certain realities....Although they are getting there...

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/BwJ1F8uIcAATmTE.jpg-large-e1410651930356.jpeg


    Americans, in contrast, have totally capitulated the the BIPOC.....


    "pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or Hispanic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s."

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Chrisnonymous

    , @anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.
     
    Is it part of the UK or not? Your sweeping generalization mentioned "the UK", not "the UK minus the parts of the Midlands that I don't want to discuss".

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    Dodging the question again. First, where was the sense of place and community when fathers were attempting to report the rape of their daughters to British police who ignored them and did much to cover up the crimes? Thousands of criminal acts, and only a handful of prosecutions after decades of abuse doesn't seem to match up with your pretty picture of "sense of place and community", now does it?

    You might compare to Florida,
     
    Why would I do that, when I'm testing your assertion about the UK? Just because you want to blow some squid ink out to obscure facts? Nah, not interested in your little game.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe,
     
    An assertion that no one has offered a speck of evidence to support. It may well be true, it may be false, it may be true for some regions and false for others.I'd ask you to substantiate this with some evidence, some facts, a cite, but I've realized you don't do that. Your usual jazz-hand waving is grossly insufficient.

    You could be in the Midlands, enjoying the NHS and trying to protect your children from Pakistani grooming gangs that the police deliberately ignore, yet you remain in the evil USA instead. Such a mystery.
  178. @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything

    Same as here in the States comrade. Only fools think there’s anything here worth mentioning.

    Synchronize spy watches… NOW

  179. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    Intelligence isn’t really worth that much if you don’t have a nice high trust society to nurture it. The NY Patriots are made up of rejects that were selected on the basis on being high trust people good at working within the system and playing as a team.

    The tragedy of high trust North-Western European societies isn’t that they’re nice and into abstract ideas, that they are more empathetic. It’s that they’re not left to be alone. Societies naturally undergo periods like this, it’s just unusual to be inundated with immigrants to no end. Worse they’re importing people who are the opposite of all those things, materialistic shameless ethnic nepotists who are untrustworthy. (In truth though, immigration will almost always be of people with more of the latter traits moving to places with more of the former.)

    IQ fetishists, like Slav fetishists really don’t know what those places and people are really like.

  180. @peterike
    @Lars Porsena


    Yeah, you pulled me over because you could read the date on the sticker on my windshield from 200 yards away.

     

    You do know that police have scanners that read license plates and alert them if you have out of date registration, haven't paid your car insurance, etc?

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

    On registration of plates, yes I do. Scanners in general, yes. Insurance? No. Their scanners don’t tell them whether you’re paid on your insurance.

    Are you disputing that cops ever pull people over and come up with justifications after the fact?

  181. @OilcanFloyd
    @Jim Don Bob


    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.
     
    The list is too long to include everything. What do whites get out of equality with others when we have to destroy our own nations and societies, and enforce lower levels of opporortunity and lifestyle to attain it? And what happens when all power is given away? Will the others seek equality with whites? Are they really doing that now?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    White women win big. I mean huge. They get to trade up to a thug, first, and one running things. To be a Kardashian.

    White men mostly lose. It’s why anti fa is mostly gays and women and the general White protesters are 85% White women.

    White women want us gone or in work camps so they can get it on with the new rulers.

    Pretty much any women throw out their own men for conqueror of the conquerers women are less pretty. Black women are not known for their beauty.

  182. Anonymous[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    The problem isn't racism - its innumeracy. Blacks commit most of the trouble in America. So when people recognize that blacks commit eight times as many murders as whites people, they don't understand the numbers and what they mean. Those who are not so good with numbers often fall into the fallacy of thinking blacks commit ALL murders. Well that's wrong. Whites commit plenty of murders. Apparently East Asians don't do so very much. But whites certainly do, for example these four cops, three of whom are white.

    We ignore it when we learn that a black committed a murder. Murder just seems to be a natural racial characteristic of the African descended. To take notice, much less complain, seems unfair. It's just what blacks do.

    Blacks are not very good at math. For example I have long argued that Barrack Obama probably couldn't do long division. Maybe I'm wrong, but who has ever seen his transcripts or test scores?

    These "protesters" (the media accepted term for looters and violent thugs) seem to think whites should never kill blacks the way that blacks kill whites. They confuse the fact that whites seldom kill with the idea that whites never kill. The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed. But whites aren't saints. East Asians may be. Bravo Asians.

    Here's an idea. The black guy they murdered was hardly a model citizen. He was a dope addict among other things. The world is better off without him. Lets give the cop murderers medals and then execute them. That would set a nice tone of confused intentions and uncertain and ambiguous actions - very appropriate for current American race relations.

    Replies: @jbwilson24, @Znzn, @Anonymous

    The cops in question were bad guys, real bad guys. I would like them to be executed.

    You must be joking. The cops did everything according to regulation. This is why they’re going to walk. No court is going to punish a cop for following his training.

  183. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Minneapolis city council are about to virtue signal the entire city right out of existence. They’re discussing whether to disband the entire police force.

    If so, the Cat10 chimpout would destroy the entire city. Every crook in America would be drawn to Minneapolis by this decision and be rubbing his hands just waiting for mayor’s signal to go wild and start killing and looting. The governor is going to be forced to step in to kick out the mayor and city council and place the city under state control if this happens. It was the National Guard brought in by the governor that quelled the riots in Minneapolis, not the city government. Why haven’t people started a petition to recall the mayor yet?

    http://www.citypages.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-members-consider-disbanding-the-police/570993291

    Liberals are mentally ill.

  184. Interesting…..

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism, such as in post-WW II Christian Democratic Europe, given all the political collaborators and the mainstreaming of the fringe in the US? Otherwise, how is it suppose to go away?

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @syonredux

    I had a realization today that the "abolish the police" movement will likely get co-opted and implemented to some degree to get certain cities and states out of their gigantic unfunded pensions. They will disband the police department, fire all the current cops and create some sort of new law enforcement agency to formally enforce anarcho-tyranny. The new agency will not be staffed with white, middle class men expecting to retire at 55 with a fat pension and rich benefits for life. Good luck to the cops and their unions fighting this in court. The ultra rich come out the other side with government permission to have their own private security forces. Our descent towards South Africa continues at an ever increasing pace.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @syonredux

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism


    In May 2016, assuming a Hillary victory, Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet laid out his plan:


    In a Friday blog post at Balkinization, Mark Tushnet said conservatives and Christians have lost the culture wars, and now the question is “how to deal with the losers.”

    “My own judgment is that taking a hard line (‘You lost, live with it’) is better than trying to accommodate the losers,” he wrote.

    “Trying to be nice to the losers didn’t work well after the Civil War, nor after Brown,” Mr. Tushnet wrote, citing the Supreme Court case on segregation. “And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”
     

    Replies: @nebulafox

  185. @SunBakedSuburb
    @obwandiyag

    "You clowns are just wetting your pants"

    Don't knock it 'till you tried it.

    "That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks."

    I also enjoy wetting my pants.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Lol!

  186. @Anonymous
    @Crawfurdmuir


    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they’d have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.
     
    That was for arrestees who resisted or all arrestees?

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.
     
    The Minneapolis officers didn’t beat or seek to harm Floyd.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    As the antecedent paragraph makes clear:

    the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he’d be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Crawfurdmuir

    FWIW, that's pretty much universally true. In all times and places, with the possible exception of NW Europe during the past several decades.

  187. @jbwilson24
    "Then, beginning around 1975, the black rate declined while the white rate continued to increase, so that the ratio of black arrests to white arrests fell to around six to one"

    Likely because Hispanics (including blacks with latino names) are classified as 'white' in the official statistics.

    White testosterone levels plummeted in the 70s, and testosterone levels are correlated with aggression. The idea that whites, who were being feminized, were suddenly taking a shine to crime in the 1970s is ludicrous.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Alden

    We should be able to statistically track the skewing of “white” crime rates by Hispanics over time.

  188. @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK.
     
    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    You might compare to Florida, where, according to some claims, Epstein employed women to trawl the local trailer parks for prospects to join his stable of "masseuses".

    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.

    It is also commonly claimed in the US that prostitutes on average start around the age of 13. I don't know whether this is true, but it seems to go back to this detailed report from 2001

    http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220.pdf

    which is actually fairly contemporaneous with the Risky Business project in Rotherham and claimed that Commercial Sexual Exploitation of minors was common in the NAFTA nations and that pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or His-panic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe, to which I would still contend that the US is a more rootless society where people are much less concerned about social respectability and family reputation. Note, for example, in the case of a recent murder in Florida that I mentioned in another post in this thread, there is no mention whatsoever of his family.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon

    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.

    Well, there was a racial angle to the Rotherham business…..And the Brits are not completely cucked on certain realities….Although they are getting there…

    Americans, in contrast, have totally capitulated the the BIPOC…..

    “pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or Hispanic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    We make fun of Anti-Fa for being "ugly." However, in comparison to the Rotherham Pakis, Anti-Fa look like GQ models.

    There's something seriously messed up with their gene pool. Their faces are hideous, filled all sorts of defects and abnormalities. Perhaps it's somehow related to the inbreeding associated with cousin marriage and the caste system?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    Yes, Jonathan Mason has been trying to excuse the behavior of those goons since Steve first started posting on Rotherham and Jonathan Mason blamed everything on the victims.
    Now, he puts forward the specious arguments
    (1) that girls acting out of drug addiction and girls groomed and threatened are basically the same thing and both groups are equally responsible for their own actions;
    (2) that girls prostituting themselves and girls being raped and tortured are basically the same thing and both groups of girls are equally responsible for their own actions;
    (3) that the lack of a scandal in one situation delegitimizes the presence of a scandal in a different situation.

    Jonathan Mason admitted in another post on iSteve that his family is half Egyptian and half British, and you can see where his loyalty lies.

  189. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The hypocrisy of far left “Cancel Culture” is Lous CK’s career is destroyed from his exposing his penis to women who knew him, yet white far left liberals are willing to dismiss social distancing, and overlook lives and businesses destroyed via their “protesting,” despite the fact that George Floyd appeared in pornos, had a rap sheet a mile long, including a fucking armed HOME INVASION, and was high on meth and fentanyl while resisting a simple arrest for passing counterfeit cash.

    FUCK… these people! They are enemies of the state. It doesn’t matter that they’re morons. Everyone who has friends who try to support it should be met with contempt. Seriously, make them feel uncomfortable at the dinner table. Don’t allow them to normalize their fantasy world.

    I can’t believe the L.A. Jews, who have been mewing “never again,” and the rest of their ridiculous rhetoric since forever, remaining silent while their cherished Fairfax market district gets reemed up their Jewish behind with NO GREASE! Nothing! Not a discouraging word. A vile act of glaring omission that many will never forget.

    You said nothing, and they will come for you–again.

  190. Abe says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Abe

    "Repeated doses of this likely will quickly enrage any Wokester, confirming to any 3rd party your observation of the Wokester as some wild-eyed fanatic."

    Per the observation of the latest round of rioting, looting, burning, etc. Many wokesters have weapons, and aren't likely to be very happy at being challenged and/or made even more angry than they already are.


    "This is sustainable- for now- in America as we still have real freedom of speech."

    Oh, that's so cute, and quaint. That's soooo 2005. Freedom of speech? What's that? Ok, let's test it. If you want to see how free you are, go and insult, mock, impugn various groups that are considered to be sainted, anointed, and protected in 2020 US. See what happens. And then do use the "But, after all, we have freedom of speech and therefore should be protected from violence, or any repercussions due to what has been said."

    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you're correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.

    Go ahead. Say something publicly (e.g. around an MSM who can then report on it for viewers/listeners) something along the lines of the Bell Curve (updated for pop culture 2020 land), or something related to IQ and various groups. Make sure to state it real loud and clear so that there's no ambiguity in what's being said. Freedom of speech all the way, so it shouldn't be a problem. Go ahead.

    Replies: @Abe

    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.

    The large majority of Americans are squishy normies and that is who we are talking about (sorry, I may have confused the matter with my imprecision) winning over, not hardcore Woke ideologues who are at best sounding boards to use to win over still-winnable 3rd parities.

    Look, in 2004 wouldn’t you say Howard Dean, on balance, was more right than Dubya Bush? Wasn’t even freakin’ Michael Moore more right than Dubya- at least on the biggest issues? (hard to see how he could have been more wrong)

    Yet Dean was laughed off stage even by a sympathetic liberal press looking for a Cowboy-slayer for his apoplectic screaming antics even though he was mostly right and had reason to be angry (Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done). Interestingly even Moore’s boiling anger during his Oscar acceptance speech was poorly received by his liberal Hollywood audience.

    The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Abe

    "The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are."


    Oh, my. I don't think you understood the premise. At all.

    Not talking about just Wokesters, though admittedly that proportion of the US is growing in size all the time. Talking about the majority of US. Go and publicly, around an MSM to report it, and without vagueness or ambiguity, discuss racial differences in non-PC terms. And see what happens. Officially, the MSM is not woke per se. Officially they do not take a side. If you retort that of course they do and that they are, well, then that's one more segment of society that's now Woke.

    Where is the non-Woke area of US society? Shrinking with each passing year.

    Also, to your point re: both Dean and W, they were both white, you could state those things about them then as now. To my point, try and discuss non-white differences in public, around an MSM, in non-PC terms without ambiguity or PCness.

    If you don't understand this point then I don't know what to say. If you sincerely think that the majority of the US will take your side as in "Freedom of speech, right to state uncomfortable things cause it's one person's opinion." then that is being very, very naive and not with a clear grasp of understanding 2020 US.

    , @Alden
    @Abe

    Posting All Lives Matter on Facebook is now considered racist. So much for free speech.

    , @Peterike
    @Abe

    “ Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done).”

    Americans were conned into WWI and WWII with even more outrageous lies. Not to excuse the vile Bush, but c’mon there’s been way worse done. Let’s not even discuss Lincoln.

  191. @Coag
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief. Although the woke appear to have the upper hand for the time being, this cannot last and it won’t end with a whimper either.
     
    Your religion observation is correct but “for the time being” could mean a long, long time. The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    Replies: @imnobody00, @bomag, @Kratoklastes

    The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.

    For the overwhelming majority of that time they held the keys to society’s information flows in their talons: e.g., one branch of the Avramic tribal stories used to kill people for challenging orthodoxy – including translating their gibberish into the vernacular.

    Every grift throughout human history – including crony-capitalism – has attempted the same thing: control information to minimise the probability that the nature of the grift becomes widely known.

    That ship has now sailed. Even the governments we’re told are the archetypes of despotism – China, Iran and the NorKs – can’t prevent widespread, interactive, exchange of information by dissidents: digital samizdat is the toothpaste that can’t be put back in the tube. Making VPNs and strong-encryption illegal shakes loose highly-risk-averse (i.e., marginal) dissidents for a time – but only until they realise that their risk of detection is minimal.

    Until the late 20th century, you only needed to control one or two information channels. Those channels were mostly unidirectional (from the author to an audience) and had relatively high barriers to entry.

    Prior to Gutenberg, getting a message to a wide audience required a large pool of skilled manpower (i.e., a bunch of scribes). Gutenberg’s press removed that constraint, and massively improved productivity: one press generated a 90-fold improvement in replication compared to hand-printing, and ~800-fold compared to a single scribe hand-copying.

    Post-Gutenberg there was a much-reduced (but still large) barrier to entry for publishers: presses and typesets were expensive and highly controlled (the right to produce copies of things – copyright – was invented by politicians at this time). There was very tight control over ownership of a press: owning an unlicensed printing press was a death penalty offence in France. Tom Paine – intellectual father of two 18th century Revolutions – took two years to find a printer willing to print “Common Sense” (still among the most-printed American-authored works in history).

    Still, for half a millennium after Gutenberg, pamphleteers were the only genuine information threat to organised religion (it’s no real surprise that Protestantism post-dates the invention of movable type).

    The samizdat movement in the former Soviet bloc was similar – but with better technology.

    This is why it’s interesting to see the SJW types try to do the same shit to protect their grift… they have not realised that it’s not possible in a world where there are a very large number of information channels with near-zero barriers to entry.

    They’ll fail much more quickly than organised religion failed once it was forced to let the information genie out of the bottle.

    What they’re finding is that they can deplatform individuals… so long as they can get the owner of the platform to buy in (e.g., the weak, beta-male man-bitches in charge of Patreon, Twitter, Faceplant – people with static expectations, who think that their Kodak-level quasi-monopolies are immune to alternatives).

    If the pamphleteer is serious about his philosophy – as opposed to someone craving a monetisable audience – he just sets up his own infrastructure and goes about his shit. In a world as large and interconnected as the one we live in, good ideas get traction. The Remnant finds each other, and finds that it (the Remnant) is much larger than everyone thinks.

    Bad ideas die unless two things exist:
    ① an organisation capable of enforcing constraints on information flow (i.e., replication and distribution); and
    ② technology amenable to strong implementation of the constraints.

    There are abundant ①-fuckbags in the world who would like nothing better than to protect their grift… but there is no such thing as ② any more.

    That’s why the internet was such a bad deal for organised religion. As late as the 1980s they were still an important player in social policy in the West: by the mid-00s they are irrelevant in the non-US West, and are being exposed as frauds everywhere else.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kratoklastes

    The authorities can no longer silence dissident voices but they can still shout louder, which is almost as good.

    If you can't suppress a discordant narrative, you can at least drown it out by filling the air with counter-narratives.

  192. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @anon


    I guess this explains the massive outpouring of demonstrations, near riots, massive police action and punitive prison terms that followed the Rotherham revelation in the UK.
     
    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    You might compare to Florida, where, according to some claims, Epstein employed women to trawl the local trailer parks for prospects to join his stable of "masseuses".

    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.

    It is also commonly claimed in the US that prostitutes on average start around the age of 13. I don't know whether this is true, but it seems to go back to this detailed report from 2001

    http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220.pdf

    which is actually fairly contemporaneous with the Risky Business project in Rotherham and claimed that Commercial Sexual Exploitation of minors was common in the NAFTA nations and that pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or His-panic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe, to which I would still contend that the US is a more rootless society where people are much less concerned about social respectability and family reputation. Note, for example, in the case of a recent murder in Florida that I mentioned in another post in this thread, there is no mention whatsoever of his family.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon

    Rotherham is a place where the old social order of mining and steelworking communities has disintegrated and the south Yorkshire coalfield is one of the most socially and economically deprived areas in western Europe.

    Is it part of the UK or not? Your sweeping generalization mentioned “the UK”, not “the UK minus the parts of the Midlands that I don’t want to discuss”.

    However following a number of reports and investigations several men were given long prison terms and a number of top local political figures resigned.

    Dodging the question again. First, where was the sense of place and community when fathers were attempting to report the rape of their daughters to British police who ignored them and did much to cover up the crimes? Thousands of criminal acts, and only a handful of prosecutions after decades of abuse doesn’t seem to match up with your pretty picture of “sense of place and community”, now does it?

    You might compare to Florida,

    Why would I do that, when I’m testing your assertion about the UK? Just because you want to blow some squid ink out to obscure facts? Nah, not interested in your little game.

    However our original discussion was about why, even if black murderers are excluded, the murder rate of white Americans is still much higher than in comparable populations in Europe,

    An assertion that no one has offered a speck of evidence to support. It may well be true, it may be false, it may be true for some regions and false for others.I’d ask you to substantiate this with some evidence, some facts, a cite, but I’ve realized you don’t do that. Your usual jazz-hand waving is grossly insufficient.

    You could be in the Midlands, enjoying the NHS and trying to protect your children from Pakistani grooming gangs that the police deliberately ignore, yet you remain in the evil USA instead. Such a mystery.

  193. • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @MEH 0910

    MEH, Thank you and I too am "so fucking tired", a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, "Ok, we good now." I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens' future, if you just say ...."ok, we even now."

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Abe
    @MEH 0910


    You are a giant fucking baby, and you are coddled by colleagues who are petrified of offending you. You always have the option to stop being a journalist if you are this emotionally fragile
     
    Now that’s what I’m talking about!! Extra credit for the Trumpian jujitsu of using their own term “fragile” on them. Only change I’d make is couching it softer, more therapeutic-sounding language so as not to sound like the heavy.

    Amazon-borg is pushing BLM big time on its site now with “anti-racism” books for your consideration. Get mad, or flash wry incredulity?

    “Aw, man, is it February already?”
    “If there’s any more police incidents, we could run out of months.”

    (Sorry, short on time, I know these can be better).
    , @Corn
    @MEH 0910

    Tracey takes so much crap from fellow progs he’ll probably go full Pinochet by November

  194. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

  195. @Prester John
    @John Achterhof

    Years ago I read a comment written by a European journalist---he/she may have been French but I'm not sure--to the effect that America's fatal weakness is wanting to have it both ways. That always stuck with me. After all, it's embedded in our own Declaration of Independence with the "all men are created equal" bit. Recall Dr. Johnson's acerbic comment about those who cry the loudest about freedom being "drovers of negroes."

    Walker Percy once wrote that the United States was far and away the most religious society and simultaneously the most materialistic society in the history of the world!

    John Adams, the most skeptical and hardheaded of The Founders, at times expressed doubts that this thing of ours could last. We are a country that has twisted itself into a pretzel in an effort to define itself, this as a consequence of being a so-called "propositional" as opposed to an "organic" nation-state, founded not on the basis of a common culture, language etc. but, rather, on the basis of sweeping abstract generalities about "equality", "liberty" etc. etc., albeit without success After almost 245 years we still don't know (1.)who we are ; (2.) what we are; (3.) what we want, or; (4.) where we are going.

    At present only (4) seems to have an answer: Hell.

    Replies: @John Achterhof

    The Percy remark strikes me as an accurate observation of America. Maybe strong religious fervor correlates less with piety than with a tribalist penchant and a bygone vehicle of status seeking, when Church was king. Now money is king. Of course as others have mentioned there are significant regional differences.

  196. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Anonymous

    As the antecedent paragraph makes clear:


    the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he’d be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.
     

    Replies: @HammerJack

    FWIW, that’s pretty much universally true. In all times and places, with the possible exception of NW Europe during the past several decades.

  197. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    James Q Wilson wrote:

    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates

    Isn’t this just like hoping the bully will stop picking on you? Or the genuinely, physically beaten woman hoping that her “boyfriend” will stop smacking her around?

    “Hope” is not a policy. It’s the philosophy of the herd-grazing animal when a predator starts killing at night, “Hope I don’t get eaten!” or “Hope I get attacked last!”.

    One would expect better from a thinking man. This is a failure of Wilson. Too bad. Probably did not understand all the HBD implications of tribalism.

    Sad!

  198. Some stats. Bear in mind that the FBI lumps Hispanics in with Anglo Whites, so the White stats are inflated:

    Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)

    Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data

    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:

    White Homicide Victims in 2013: 3,005
    Number of Whites who were killed by Blacks:409
    Number of Whites who were killed by “Whites”:2,509

    Black homicide Victims in 2013: Black or African American 2,491
    Number of Blacks who were killed by other Blacks: 2,245
    Number of Blacks who were killed by “Whites”:189

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

    According to the FBI SHR data, in 2011 there were 6,309 black homicide victims in the United States. The homicide rate
    among black victims in the United States was 17.51 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.44
    per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf

    • Replies: @Truth
    @syonredux


    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:
     
    Well now, if the stats for "white offenders" are inflated because they are conflated with Hispanics, then so must be the stats for "white victims" isn't that right, Richard Freyman?

    Bro, let's call a truce. Get back to doing what you do well, put up a few pictures of beautiful "chicks" and I promise to honor a moratorium on the truth about this from now until the end of June. Make your boys happy.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @bomag

  199. @peterike
    Oh speaking of what do Antifa look like....

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpg8qMHk/8-EA52-D98-20-EE-4805-9836-CD111217-D09-D.jpg

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Corn, @Lurker

    The top 2 guys look tough. If they had more IQ and discipline, maybe the USM would’ve taken them and sent them to fight in Fallujah. If they had grown up in a place like San Bernardino back in the 80s, they probably would’ve been recruited into a motorcycle gang. My guess is that they enjoy causing destruction and joined Anti-Fa so they could “F*ck sh*t up!” I doubt they’re politically liberal (far from it), but they are wildly destructive.

    The guy in the middle looks mentally retarded. Literally, he looks like a guy who suffers from clinically diagnosed retardation. He was probably born with fetal alcohol syndrome. He probably shouldn’t be allowed to live alone.

    The bottom three guys look like hipster brahs. They enjoy being ironic and contrarian. Maybe if they had affluent parents or some marketable job skills, they could’ve lived in Williamsburg or a chique neighborhood. Since they can’t be apart of any “cool” neighborhood clique, they joined Anti-Fa instead.

    As for the women, the first (on top) looks like an angry butch lesbian. The other two are grossly fat. My guess is that a general hatred of men made them easy to radicalize.

    Anti-Fa seems to draw from the dregs of White society. People who are maladjusted, angry, destructive, and/or just plain retarded. People who couldn’t succeed in or fit in with mainstream society, so they see Anti-Fa as a way to live out the life they want.

    If the White population weren’t so socially atomized and hyper individualistic, maybe some of these people would’ve become joined some White gang in an underclass area. Or formed a hippie commune. In Anti-Fa, they found a community, some fun, free drugs, and likely some financial support too. Some have claimed that Anti-Fa gives you an easy way to “get laid” as well. Though given the quality of the women, you might be better off with celibacy.

    Other races, of course, have their share of losers. However, their losers either join ethnic gangs or they hang out with (and torment) their extended family.

    Anti-Fa is basically a Gang-Commune for the misfits of a socially atomized White society.

  200. @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason


    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.
     
    Well, there was a racial angle to the Rotherham business.....And the Brits are not completely cucked on certain realities....Although they are getting there...

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/BwJ1F8uIcAATmTE.jpg-large-e1410651930356.jpeg


    Americans, in contrast, have totally capitulated the the BIPOC.....


    "pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or Hispanic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s."

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Chrisnonymous

    We make fun of Anti-Fa for being “ugly.” However, in comparison to the Rotherham Pakis, Anti-Fa look like GQ models.

    There’s something seriously messed up with their gene pool. Their faces are hideous, filled all sorts of defects and abnormalities. Perhaps it’s somehow related to the inbreeding associated with cousin marriage and the caste system?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mirpuris

  201. Some Louisville cops have walked out on strike. This is a time in which we’re going to see the two sides battle it out pretty viciously before the election. Tensions are finally coming to a head. Libtards need to be reminded about who is defending them.

  202. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1268521085164814338

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abe, @Corn

    MEH, Thank you and I too am “so fucking tired”, a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, “Ok, we good now.” I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens’ future, if you just say ….”ok, we even now.”

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe


    MEH, Thank you and I too am “so fucking tired”, a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, “Ok, we good now.” I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens’ future, if you just say ….”ok, we even now.”
     
    BJ, think happy thoughts man. Don't let it get the best of you. Like that time back in '73 when Ernie DiGregorio gave you 50 cents to wash his Cadillac outside of the Memorial.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  203. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Abe

    If you are a tolerant person, you won't need to appeal for tolerance from others like you. They'll know and they'll give it regardless.

    This is a simple fact when you think about it.

    The problem is that calmly admitting to yourself that another person really has no tolerance for you is hard, so we tend to make excuses on others' behalves in order to soothe ourselves. It's a common and understandable delusion. We don't won't to admit (to ourselves) that they make us feel afraid.

    Instead, many of these people are most certainly not tolerant. They're fanatics looking for "completeness" in a movement, and your disagreement, even if silent, is standing in the way of what they truly believe is them becoming their best selves.

    In reality, you temporarily stand in as an enemy preventing them from coming to what they mistakenly, but sincerely, believe is "home". It is not an exaggeration that this makes you a demon from their own head conjured into real life. And you're asking for toleration?!?

    The best thing therefore is to honestly tell them, even if only through very subtle implication, how scary/creepy/sad/false/odd they are coming across and how particularly you, when talking with them, can't shake the unnerving feeling that you're speaking with a cult member or someone who's been bodysnatched.

    This need not be done in a cruel way. It is actually a moment for connection. You feel alienated from them and they most certainly feel alienated from themselves.

    One way to do this is to ask nicely and kindly, because, of course you do feel like being nice and kind to a deluded broken cult member, "is it possible that you could be wrong"?

    Or, you could soften it further by prefacing it with "I find I am often wrong, and really enjoy it, and actually, it is one of my favourite qualities about myself."

    But I can't predict how the natural moment will be! The underlying point, however, is to discern how you really see them underneath all of the noise generated in political discussion and then treat them as you authentically feel (post sifting out the noise.)

    Clever arguments, like pointing out the contradiction of the fanatic who espouses tolerance, are only good for amusing third parties and yourself. That is, unless they actually are tolerant in which case they can take the joke at their expense.

    Of course, if they really like/love you already then they may be tolerant to you in a way they wouldn't be tolerant to others, but beware, that if they are fanatical, that you are putting them in a very stressful position of dissonance.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    Some great discussions and helpful advice in these comments. Thanks!

    • Thanks: Not Only Wrathful
  204. @Abe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.
     
    The large majority of Americans are squishy normies and that is who we are talking about (sorry, I may have confused the matter with my imprecision) winning over, not hardcore Woke ideologues who are at best sounding boards to use to win over still-winnable 3rd parities.

    Look, in 2004 wouldn’t you say Howard Dean, on balance, was more right than Dubya Bush? Wasn’t even freakin’ Michael Moore more right than Dubya- at least on the biggest issues? (hard to see how he could have been more wrong)

    Yet Dean was laughed off stage even by a sympathetic liberal press looking for a Cowboy-slayer for his apoplectic screaming antics even though he was mostly right and had reason to be angry (Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done). Interestingly even Moore’s boiling anger during his Oscar acceptance speech was poorly received by his liberal Hollywood audience.

    The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden, @Peterike

    “The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.”

    Oh, my. I don’t think you understood the premise. At all.

    Not talking about just Wokesters, though admittedly that proportion of the US is growing in size all the time. Talking about the majority of US. Go and publicly, around an MSM to report it, and without vagueness or ambiguity, discuss racial differences in non-PC terms. And see what happens. Officially, the MSM is not woke per se. Officially they do not take a side. If you retort that of course they do and that they are, well, then that’s one more segment of society that’s now Woke.

    Where is the non-Woke area of US society? Shrinking with each passing year.

    Also, to your point re: both Dean and W, they were both white, you could state those things about them then as now. To my point, try and discuss non-white differences in public, around an MSM, in non-PC terms without ambiguity or PCness.

    If you don’t understand this point then I don’t know what to say. If you sincerely think that the majority of the US will take your side as in “Freedom of speech, right to state uncomfortable things cause it’s one person’s opinion.” then that is being very, very naive and not with a clear grasp of understanding 2020 US.

  205. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online–as one does
     
    Who does?

    Replies: @Cindy

    I believe that is what’s known as “dry humor”.

  206. @George
    Off Topic: Gun Control is not trending

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=gun%20control

    Gun control might be a dead issue for a generation.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena, @Lockean Proviso

    Gun control might be a dead issue for a generation.

    I don’t think so- recoil mitigation and shooting arm strength improvement would be particularly important in maintaining gun control when fighting off a mob.

  207. @Altai
    @John Achterhof

    Hand guns dawg. Other factors exist, but none of them assure so high a fatality rate.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @anon, @JMcG, @J1234

    The others are correct…you’re wrong. A superfluous analysis.

  208. @syonredux
    Interesting.....

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism, such as in post-WW II Christian Democratic Europe, given all the political collaborators and the mainstreaming of the fringe in the US? Otherwise, how is it suppose to go away?
     
    https://twitter.com/daniel_dsj2110/status/1268617359322828800

    Replies: @Barnard, @Harry Baldwin

    I had a realization today that the “abolish the police” movement will likely get co-opted and implemented to some degree to get certain cities and states out of their gigantic unfunded pensions. They will disband the police department, fire all the current cops and create some sort of new law enforcement agency to formally enforce anarcho-tyranny. The new agency will not be staffed with white, middle class men expecting to retire at 55 with a fat pension and rich benefits for life. Good luck to the cops and their unions fighting this in court. The ultra rich come out the other side with government permission to have their own private security forces. Our descent towards South Africa continues at an ever increasing pace.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Barnard

    I had a realization today that the “abolish the police” movement will likely get co-opted and implemented to some degree to get certain cities and states out of their gigantic unfunded pensions. They will disband the police department, fire all the current cops and create some sort of new law enforcement agency to formally enforce anarcho-tyranny

    You're on to something, but with one difference: contractors.

    They'll do what companies are already doing with some remote work: contract it out. Contractors can easily be replaced, the liability can be controlled / limited, no need to mess with benefits such as pensions.

    By the way, the original Robocop was fiction.

  209. He’s wrong about one thing:

    ‘We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect.’

    I’m pretty confident discouraging police from targeting blacks will lead to an increase in black crime.

    Back in the day, if a young black male crossed into a predominantly white community bordering a black one, he could be pretty confident the police would be keeping an eye on him — and would likely modify his behavior accordingly.

    If that ceases to happen, is anyone going to seriously contend black-on-white crime won’t rise?

  210. Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men. This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.

    I had been wondering about this earlier, and even with this, I still find it strange that historical accounts are lacking (or just not being investigated).

    One reliable source I could think of are pre-Civil War plantation records. What were the rates of black-on-black violence under conditions of slavery? Surely, slave-owners would have kept good records since losing a slave to violence would be a big deal (it would really be two slaves, since the murderer would also be killed). Slave plantations should have been hotbeds for intra-racial violence, given their similarity to modern day ghettos (lots of black people living together, some—but not constant—law presence, etc.).

    Has anyone ever studied the plantation violence rates in-depth? It just seems odd that African-American violence and crime rates have sky-rocketed since, what, the 60s? Even if they were higher than average before, this seems like an exponential increase.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @al-Gharaniq

    There’s at least one book on the topic, Slave Against Slave: Plantation Violence in the Old South by Jeff Forret. I haven’t read it.

  211. @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    Prevailing wage jobs, which are unbelievably expensive, and explain why gov’t itself is so expensive, go to the same contractors over and over. They know how to get those gov’t building projects and that’s what their business model is set up to accommodate. We work with several of these small companies and they have a personal gold mine. The paperwork is extensive and we charge them a lot, but it all comes back on the taxpayer.

    Notice next time a school bond comes up in your elections. Why is it so high and why are they needed constantly? Prevailing wage.

    • Agree: bomag
  212. https://www.amren.com/news/2019/11/black-on-white-crime-racism-murder-rape/

    On the evening of February 20, 1990, Robert Simon and Anthony Carr — both black — were burgling Carl Parker’s house in Lambert, in Mississippi’s Quitman County. Mr. Parker, along with three other family members — all white — arrived home to find a pickup truck loaded with loot just about to drive off. The surprised thieves held the Parker family at gun point and tied up Mr. Parker’s 12-year-old half-brother Greg and then shot him in the back. They raped and sodomized his nine-year-old half-sister Charlotte Jo before they killed her. They shot his stepmother, Bobbie Jo in the chest, and they also killed Carl Parker himself. They cut off his ring finger to get his wedding band — whether before or after they killed him is not known. Then they dragged the four bodies into Mr. Parker’s house and burned it down over them. [Allen Breed, Price of Justice Makes Poor County Even Poorer, Detroit News, March 21, 1999, p. 19A.
    ……………………………
    In 1992, six black marines at Camp LeJeune, South Carolina, got drunk in a barracks, worked themselves into a frenzy over “racism,” and decided to do something about it. “We are going to get us a white boy tonight,” Kenneth Parker reportedly said. They went out with a shotgun and found a white marine, Rodney Page, and explained what they intended to do. As Mr. Page begged for his life, they shot him to death in the presence of his pregnant wife. [AP. Marines angry about racism, defendant testifies, Raleigh News & Observer, Feb. 3, 1993.
    ……………………………………………………….

    In 1992, 25-year-old black Scott Johnson abducted a 35-year-old white woman and her three-year-old daughter at a shopping mall. He left the child in a rural area, where she wandered along for eight hours. He raped the woman and then killed her, stabbing her 40 times.

    When Johnson was finally brought to justice in 1995, the victim’s husband was disappointed that the killer was not sentenced to death. “Justice is not being served until that animal is dead,” he told the court. Mr. Johnson shot back with “You better stop calling me an animal, motherf*****.” The husband beckoned to Johnson and shouted “Come on,” but bailiffs prevented a fight. At one point, the victim’s sister screamed “Why, why did you have to kill her?” Mr. Johnson smirked. As he was led from the courtroom, members of the victim’s family shouted “Animal, animal, animal.” [Jennifer Havilah, Mockery of Justice, NY Post, May 9, 1995, p. 9

    ……………………………………………………………………..

    In April, 1993, five Brooklyn “youths” found a white woman jogging alone on the Coney Island boardwalk. They dragged her under the boardwalk, where they took turns raping, sodomizing, punching, and kicking her. The crime, committed against a recent immigrant to the United States, caused a stir at the time. In May of 1995, the “youths” were given plea-bargained sentences that ranged from four-to-ten years to seven-to-21 years. They showed utterly no remorse, and laughed and joked as their lawyers spoke with the judge. One convict’s mother then claimed her son got a harsh sentence because he was black. “When did you ever hear of anyone getting 20 years for rape?” she wanted to know. A father ranted about blacks being persecuted by a white criminal justice system. [Andrea Peyser, Why Coney Island Thugs will laugh all the way to prison, NY Post, 5/9/95, p. 8.
    ……………………………………………………………
    In September of 1994, an 11-year-old black boy in Chicago was arrested for killing an 84-year-old white woman. The boy claimed he hated Anna Gilvis, his next-door neighbor, because she frequently called him “nigger.” One day he sneaked into Mrs. Gilvis’ home but she beat him with a cane and ordered him to leave. He wrestled the cane away from her and beat her with it as she crawled into the bathroom. He bound her with twine from plants in the living room but since she would not stop screaming, he cut her throat with a kitchen knife. [Scott Fornek, Cop: boy killed out of hate, Chi Sun Times, 9/7/94, p. 3. First reported by American Renaissance in November 1994.] In December of that year, the boy (whose name cannot be released because of his tender years) was convicted of first-degree murder, put on probation, and released to the custody of his grandmother. Although a new law that took effect in January of 1995 would have provided for the boy to be put in a locked juvenile home, his sentencing took place in December of 1994. The judge had only the option of sending him to a mental institution, but experts found the lad entirely sane. [Courtenay Edelhart & Susan Kuczka, His hands tied, judge lets 11-year-old killer go free, Chi Trib, Dec. 9, 1994, p. 1
    ……………………………………
    In 1997, a 35-year-old black American, Steve Thomas, was put on trial in Finland for going on a sex spree after learning that he had the AIDS virus. Mr. Thomas, who was married to a Finnish woman with whom he had two children, reportedly had sex with over 100 women over the course of a few years. Dozens of them were infected. Mr. Thomas worked as a doorman at bars and nightclubs, where women are said to have found him appealingly exotic. In 1990, a Helsinki court sentenced a Ugandan man to 11½ years in prison for deliberately infecting women with AIDS. [N.Y. Rapper Accused in HIV Murder-trial in Finland, New York Daily News, April 18, 1997. Devlin Barrett, HIV+ New York Lover on Trial in Finland, New York Post, April 18, 1997, p. 3
    ………………………………..

    Chante Mallard is a black, 25-year-old nurse’s assistant. On October 26, 2001, she crashed her car into a white pedestrian, who ended up stuck in the windshield with half his body hanging into the passenger side of the car. Miss Mallard reportedly drove to her Ft. Worth, Texas, home, parked in her garage, went into the house, and had sex with her boyfriend. The two then came out to the garage to have a look at Greg Biggs, who was still alive and stuck in the car. Miss Mallard kept the car in the garage for 48 hours, during which time she came out several times to talk to the man, who begged for help. She did nothing for him, and the man, who was homeless and suffered from mental problems, bled to death.

    Miss Mallard then got her boyfriend and several friends to help her dislodge Mr. Biggs’ body and dump it in a park. Police found the body soon after, and concluded it must have been a hit-and-run case, but had no leads. Several months afterwards, Miss Mallard explained to a group of people why she was no longer driving. “I hit this white man,” she explained, and giggled. On February 25 someone who heard her say this reported it to the police. Officers found Miss Mallard’s car still in her garage, with the windshield and front seats removed, but with Mr. Biggs’ blood and hair still on it. Miss Mallard said she had burned the seats to get rid of the evidence, and planned to burn the car and buy a new one when her tax refund check arrived.

    Miss Mallard was charged with murder, and was at first held on $10,000 bail at home with an electronic monitor, but prosecutors had bail raised to $250,000 to keep her in jail. Her lawyer says she is not a monster but a confused woman who was drunk and using Ecstacy when she hit Mr. Biggs, and didn’t know what she was doing. [Judge Raises Bail of Hit-Run Suspect to $250,000, AP, March 9, 2002.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Funny thing, I don't recall reading about whites as a collective racial group going out and protesting (whether for a single day or a single week) over the brutality of black on white murders. When did the white protests occur during these years as a way to raise public awareness on black on white crime?

    When did the protests happen? Anyone? Certainly seems as though these kinds of crimes cancel out what happened to George Floyd.

  213. @Not Only Wrathful
    Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That's 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour.

    In fact, I have the solution for everything: Western societies need to give each and every black person a gold star at the end of every year in which that black person has not committed a crime.

    I'm quite serious.

    Furthermore, when crimes committed by black people diminish from the previous year, we should have a bonus national holiday to celebrate their achievements.

    Everybody wins.

    It feels very unfair that black people are often punished for committing crimes but not given a party for not committing them. Black restraint needs to be appreciated. Everyone else's attention must be given to their successes in this area.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Pat Boyle, @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright

    ‘Fewer than 1 in 2000 black men will murder someone in any given year? That’s 1,999 trophies which need to be handed out for good behaviour…’

    …or just poor marksmanship. While they usually don’t actually kill anyone, blacks expend truly staggering quantities of ammunition.

  214. @Polynikes
    So his solution is hope and change? Seems like I heard that somewhere before.

    Replies: @bomag, @JMcG, @Phoenix1

    Exactly. Bunch of low-brow liberal garbage that doesn’t coincide with the real world…

  215. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Harry Baldwin


    One of the largest factors in the police killing blacks is the propensity of black criminals for resisting arrest.
     
    One of my uncles (now long dead) was, during the late 1930s, a young M.D. doing his residency at the old Ancker Hospital in St. Paul, Minnesota. He remarked to me once that the St. Paul police then had an informal understanding with the local criminal community that if, during an arrest, a miscreant was compliant, he'd be treated well, but if he resisted in any way, he could expect a beating.

    The old lockup at the courthouse was on a floor accessed by a large manually-controlled elevator. Before taking the arrestee to his cell, the cops would stop the elevator between floors (where it was well-nigh soundproof) and give him a going-over with their truncheons. If they were too enthusiastic in their work, they'd have to bring the recipient down to Ancker, where the duty of patching him up not infrequently fell to my uncle.

    Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean, @Joe Stalin, @JMcG, @Colin Wright

    ‘… Today it is perhaps a failure of the system to make it clear in advance to would-be malefactors, as it was back then, what the consequences of resisting arrest will be…’

    I’ve long suspected that the (problematically occurring, long deferred, and not necessarily physically uncomfortable) legal penalty for crime isn’t actually the deterrent.

    It’s getting the crap beat out of you by the cops right now, on the spot, that deters crime.

    If true, that might be unpleasant, but it would remain the truth.

  216. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    this researcher came up with a much higher number for the black-white murderer multiple, like 20 or something rather than the 7 or 8 that you commonly read about.

    Most whites don't know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate. Moreover, they don't want to know, and if you proved it to them they would rationalize the fact and attack your motives for knowing it. So if the number is in fact 20 times, is that going to make a dent in their ignorance and denial?

    It's like the back-when-she-was-funny Sarah Silverman* gag:


    My niece called me up and she’s like, “Aunt Sarah, did you know that Hitler killed 60 million Jews?”
    I said, “I think he’s responsible for killing six million Jews.”
    And she says, “Oh, yeah. Six million. I knew that. But seriously, auntie, what’s the difference?”
    “The difference is that 60 million is unforgivable, young lady.”
     
    *I know that many commenters here refuse to acknowledge that anything Silverman ever said was funny. Okay. Got it.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @TomSchmidt, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    Most whites don’t know that blacks are known to commit murder at 7 or 8 times the white rate.

    But everyone seems to know that the same disparity exists for men and women, so same that the murder rates for white men and black women often run neck-and-neck. (Sorry for the image, Mrs Floyd.)

  217. Abe says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1268521085164814338

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abe, @Corn

    You are a giant fucking baby, and you are coddled by colleagues who are petrified of offending you. You always have the option to stop being a journalist if you are this emotionally fragile

    Now that’s what I’m talking about!! Extra credit for the Trumpian jujitsu of using their own term “fragile” on them. Only change I’d make is couching it softer, more therapeutic-sounding language so as not to sound like the heavy.

    Amazon-borg is pushing BLM big time on its site now with “anti-racism” books for your consideration. Get mad, or flash wry incredulity?

    “Aw, man, is it February already?”
    “If there’s any more police incidents, we could run out of months.”

    (Sorry, short on time, I know these can be better).

  218. @teo toon
    @bomag

    Tattooed and fat white women have been stepping into that breech for a few generations; more and more, especially in college towns, but the results have yet to be quantified.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    … selective breeding…

    Tattooed and fat white women…

    Not sure that’s the type of ‘selective’ that @bomag had in mind – even though it would work (not by making the offspring smarter… just by making it less likely that they move more than a few feet at a time).

    It does raise an interesting empirical question though: does more cream in the coffee tend to down-regulate violence the way it obviously downregulates metabolic rate? Even elite sportsball light-mulattos are noticeably less lean than their melanin-rich team-mates.

    Same’s true for ‘my’ darkie-strain (Maori): at elite sports level, the more white there is in the mix, the harder it is for them to hit skin-fold targets – (nohomo) Dan Carter seems like an obvious outlier until you consider his gargantuan training workrate. (The guy’s 38 years old and plays first 5/8 – one of the most demanding positions in rugby: imagine a quarterback who also has to be able to defend, run the ball, and who is on the ground for two 40-minute halves).

  219. @Curle
    @black sea

    Scots-Irish isn’t a particularly accurate category. It became a general category for white southerners uncertain of their ancestry. Scots-Irish are sufficiently well represented among all social classes that there is no more particularized association between Scots-Irish and white trash than there is between Scots-Irish and the gentry.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @R.G. Camara

    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group. The name is a misnomer because only some of them came to the American colonies from Ulster. Others came from both sides of the Scottish/English border, which meets the Irish Sea not far from the Scottish side of the narrow strait (2 or 3 miles) which separates Scotland from Ireland. The Ulstermen were the descendants of transplanted border region dwellers. Some members of the gentry in these areas, who were fighting gentry constantly involved in battles on the border, became gentry in the American South. Scotch Irish Andrew Jackson was an example of social moblity as a poor farmer’s son who rose to the Presidency through military service and politics. The gentry of the Southern Tidewater mostly were the offspring of the gentry of an area of England a little west of where the Puritans came from.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hibernian


    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group.
     
    No, they aren't.

    The Scotch are a real ethnic group, ditto the Irish.

    You're correct on the "Scotch-Irish" provenance, although I'd add that the Ulstermen in question were only recent descendants of those transplants, the transplanting starting, at the earliest, in the early 1600's, and ramping up a few decades later.

    I don't understand why a group of people who were ethnically English as much as Scottish, and certainly more than they were Irish, are referred to as "Scotch-Irish" hundreds of years later. Most of them have spent far more time in America than they ever did in Ireland. At this point, aren't they just Americans?

    I suspect "Scotch-Irish" and variants are academic creations that have gained currency due to fashionable anti-Anglo racism; and also, apparently, the only thing less fashionable than being English is being American, and even white hillbillies wish to have a more exotic ethnic identity. "Scotch-Irish" - or, even gayer, "Scots-Irish" - is the only straw they can clutch.

    Perhaps I will be told that of course they're American, but Americans come in many flavours. But so does everyone else. My question: if you can't claim to be ethnically American after 400 years, when can you?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon

  220. @jbwilson24
    "Then, beginning around 1975, the black rate declined while the white rate continued to increase, so that the ratio of black arrests to white arrests fell to around six to one"

    Likely because Hispanics (including blacks with latino names) are classified as 'white' in the official statistics.

    White testosterone levels plummeted in the 70s, and testosterone levels are correlated with aggression. The idea that whites, who were being feminized, were suddenly taking a shine to crime in the 1970s is ludicrous.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Alden

    Agree. I was a probation officer in the 1970s and 80s. Although the black percentage of the county was only 10 percent about 90 percent of the criminals in the majority White county were black.

    A person could spend a year going into every criminal court room and the city and county jail every day and they wouldn’t see a White face.

    The White criminals tended to be White collar forgers etc and domestic violence, mostly child abuse DV

  221. @imnobody00
    @Coag

    Because major religions disagree on theoretical matters, such as the nature of God, the nature of Christ, metaphysics, etc.

    BUT major religions (mostly) agree on practical matters: family, good behavior, temperance, the Golden Rule, the fact that usury is bad, etc.

    This religious lowest common denominator is called "the natural law": the law that every culture is based on. C.S. Lewis called it "the Tao". See the annex of his book "the Abolition of Man" for examples from every culture and every moment in history.


    The natural law can be summarized as "don't be selfish". Since people are not selfish, society can function. Everyone has to sacrifice his selfishness for others so the society can function. For example, in all major religions, looting is bad even if it feels good, even if you feel discriminated.

    The religion we have in the West comes from the Enlightenment and can be summarized as "be selfish". Liberty means "do what you want and someone else will reap the consequences of your selfishness". Equality means "Receive things that you haven't earned and someone else will pay". Rights mean "you deserve this but someone else will have to bear with the externalities". Political correctness is only the last version (the last sect) of this religion.

    The Enlightenment religion hit the masses during the 60s and, since then, it has been a steady decline. You cannot found a society upon people being selfish. Society becomes a fight of everyone against everyone, because every one wants to maximize his selfishness against the selfishness of others. This is why political correctness cannot last for millennia. While other religions build society, the Enlightenment religion destroys society.

    "After all, there are only two religions, that of God and that of man, and an infinity of theologies" Nicolás Gómez Dávila

    Replies: @Coag

    You can totally sustain a thousand year religion based on the theology of the original sin of whiteness. You can have all your patriarchal traditionalist life patterns etc with the huwhites constituting a caste of despised untouchables.

  222. @Abe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.
     
    The large majority of Americans are squishy normies and that is who we are talking about (sorry, I may have confused the matter with my imprecision) winning over, not hardcore Woke ideologues who are at best sounding boards to use to win over still-winnable 3rd parities.

    Look, in 2004 wouldn’t you say Howard Dean, on balance, was more right than Dubya Bush? Wasn’t even freakin’ Michael Moore more right than Dubya- at least on the biggest issues? (hard to see how he could have been more wrong)

    Yet Dean was laughed off stage even by a sympathetic liberal press looking for a Cowboy-slayer for his apoplectic screaming antics even though he was mostly right and had reason to be angry (Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done). Interestingly even Moore’s boiling anger during his Oscar acceptance speech was poorly received by his liberal Hollywood audience.

    The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden, @Peterike

    Posting All Lives Matter on Facebook is now considered racist. So much for free speech.

  223. Nice, except that:

    We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. … Doing the first is relatively easy, …

    is garbage. No “profiler” has ever stopped a guy based solely on skin color, and every suspect and activist has rejected all the police experience and data to that point.

  224. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.

    It depends on how historically inclusive you want to be for that statement to have context. He doesn’t say what countries made up the world’s other six major industrial nations in 2002, but I’m presuming that the majority are/were European. If you include Napoleonic and world wars, Europe has been a fairly deadly place to live over the last two centuries. If you don’t include wars, it’s been fairly safe.

    There’s no for me way to prove this, but I’d say that up until the great demographic shift in Europe over the last half century, non-war violence in Europe was relatively low because of the general Western tendency towards order. But when there’s a war over there all hell breaks loose.

    Back in the ’90’s a Brit artist living America was lecturing me on how dangerous the US was compared to the UK. I mentioned the troubles in Northern Ireland, and his head sort of cocked as if it hadn’t occurred to him to include things like that into the comparison.

    I’m guessing the cultural influence of the American War of Independence has given the US a higher tolerance for disorder (political and otherwise) and a lower tolerance for authority, as did the the founding of our country on the decentralized political concept of states. Both of those things could contribute to a greater disregard for the law, and therefore result in higher rates of violent crime.

    • Thanks: John Achterhof
    • Replies: @newrouter
    @J1234

    >The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations.<

    Did you include the "hispanics" with the whites? This is bs.

    Replies: @J1234

    , @Charlotte
    @J1234

    Much of America’s history was characterized by the existence of vast tracts of land with little settlement or law enforcement. I believe that had a significant impact on the national attitude towards violence as well. It’s still there, to a degree, in the mindset of rural westerners, and rooted in reality: if you live a goodly distance from the nearest law enforcement, they won’t be there to save you if you need saving. They’ll just investigate the crime.

  225. @Buffalo Joe
    @MEH 0910

    MEH, Thank you and I too am "so fucking tired", a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, "Ok, we good now." I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens' future, if you just say ...."ok, we even now."

    Replies: @Truth

    MEH, Thank you and I too am “so fucking tired”, a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, “Ok, we good now.” I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens’ future, if you just say ….”ok, we even now.”

    BJ, think happy thoughts man. Don’t let it get the best of you. Like that time back in ’73 when Ernie DiGregorio gave you 50 cents to wash his Cadillac outside of the Memorial.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, Ernie actually, at 5'-6", looked up to me. And in '73 I was five years out of college and buying my first house. Things were good. Thanks for the comment.

    Replies: @Truth, @Truth

  226. @Buffalo Joe
    I never wanted to be a cop. I dealt with enough low lifes in construction that I knew I didn't want to be involved in enforcing the law on them. So, people say, "You don't know what it is like to be a cop, to deal with what they have to deal with daily." And that is true. But right now, the governors and majors of the big cities racked by violence and, yes destruction, are paying the price for not letting cops be cops. A little late to back up and start over with enforcement after so much property damage. Problem is , we rolled over and let the governors and mayors control our lives with "Rules" during the pandemic. They loved that taste of power and now, when they should be enforcing "Laws" they are still proposing "Rules", a curfew, a "soft touch". It is going to be extremely hard going forward now with law enforcement.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Marty, @sayless

    DeBlasio will throw the police under the bus every time. On Tuesday, a police union official said, “We are losing the city.”

    Today Barr announced that the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force is going to go to work on Antifa and the others, along with the riot control people from the Bureau of Prisons, ATF, the U.S. Marshals, and two or three other agencies I can’t recall, to arrest the instigators and coordinators of the violence and arson.

    Trump did another bait and switch. The leftists were salivating for him to send the military into the cities. I think Esper’s comments at his presser yesterday were simply set decoration.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @sayless

    sayless, there is a slow rising current of disgust in NYS with senseless violence and destruction across the state. Cuomo almost sent the National guard to NYC but something changed his mind. Maybe the DNC with an offer of a Supreme Court Appointment, VP, who knows, but he folded. All the big cities in NY are democrat strongholds, but when you see the economy wrecked and the cities burned you start to look for accountability and there is none. I spoke with an old parishioner the other day when I stopped by to say a prayer at our serviceless church. She said the lockdown was a way to destroy religion. She wasn't wearing a tin foil hat and I was suprised that she walked over to share her thoughts. A rule to ban church services, a rule to end classes at school, a rule to keep people apart and today when I checked in at San Francisco Chronicle online(SF Gate) there is no comment section. So much to think about.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  227. Anonymous[849] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @John Achterhof


    But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    I think that in the US there is much less of a sense of local community outrage when someone does something that is completely beyond the pale.

    I remember once, many years ago, seeing a British female TV reality show host appearing as a guest on a US TV reality show. It might have been Jerry Springer or Maury Povich, but I forget.

    Anyway the remark she made that stuck in my memory was that she said to one of the participants something like "the people in your town must have the most extraordinary idea of what is normal to have allowed this to happen", and it struck me that no American would have made this comment, because in America there is relatively little concept of place. You don't have people on the Jerry Springer show saying things like "Is that how people behave in Idaho?". In fact where people come from is never even mentioned.

    In the UK, and perhaps other countries, people have (or used to have) much more of a sense of place and community, and would not want to bring shame on their family, home town, or county for fear of being held up as an example. There are more people in the US who don't give a fuck.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Cortes, @anon, @Anonymous

    It’s because there are still strong regional identities in many parts of the UK, and it is still possible to tell roughly what part of the UK someone is from by their accent. Also, making a snide remark about where someone is from is also often a veiled dig at their perceived social class in the UK, for example Northern England is generally considered poorer and more “low class” than Southern England.

    I suspect that comment seems strange to Americans because for the most part there are not strong regional identities in the US or significant variations in accent nor is what state/region they’re from strongly associated with social class generally speaking. I don’t think it’s necessarily an indication that British people are more cohesive either, in fact this snobbery about where people are from is more a class snobbery if anything.

  228. @Jonathan Mason
    @Curle


    For decades after the civil war blacks were left alone to kill each other in the South at least, no? Did the authorities in the post war period keep accurate death records for blacks in the South?
     
    It seems not.

    This was written on the back of Robert Johnson's death certificate:

    I talked with the white man on whose place this negro died and I also talked with a negro woman on the place. The plantation owner said the negro man, seemingly about 26 years old, came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play banjo at a negro dance given there on the plantation. He stayed in the house with some of the negroes saying he wanted to pick cotton. The white man did not have a doctor for this negro as he had not worked for him. He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county. The plantation owner said it was his opinion that the man died of syphilis.

    Cold case investigations suggest that Johnson was actually poisoned by being given a bottle of beer containing mothballs by a man called Ralph Davis with whose wife Johnson was having an affair. Davis did not know that Johnson had a pre-existing condition, namely a gastric ulcer, which caused vomiting of blood and ruptured veins. He died aged 27 and was buried in an unmarked grave.

    So not a lot of police investigation there. On the other hand when the sainted George Floyd allegedly tried to pass a fake $20 bill, no less than 4 cops in Minneapolis responded within minutes to this low-value white collar crime.

    Worth noting that the statistics for death by poisoning are much improved today.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian

    Someone who passes a counterfeit bill may be an innocent victim of the person from whom they got that bill. They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him. Can’t quite tell what position you’re taking.)

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.
     
    I use the word 'sainted' in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @ben tillman

  229. @anon
    The CEO of American Airlines on CNBC today was blubbering over his experience riding on Southwest down to Florida; he had a copy of "White Fragility" with him and a Flight Attendant of Color talked with him about it. So now whatever appeasement AAL is handing out to privileged people of color it will have to double.

    This really is a cult. The cult of color. White skin is now original sin and that sin cannot be expiated except through groveling, perpetual, endless groveling.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    I very much doubt the black flight attendant spoke to him about it. Part of their training is to not get into political religious current events or personal conversations.

    The White CEO probably sees few blacks in his daily life. So he saw her and tried to draw her into a conversation about race. She probably listened for a bit and then tactfully withdrew.

    Or else he made the whole thing up.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  230. @Yawrate
    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.

    Not that there's any way to fix that particular problem.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Pincher Martin

    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.

    That hasn’t always been true. During the 1950s, most black families stayed together. Divorce was rarer for black families back in that decade than it is for white families today. Most blacks also worked in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black and white teenage males was approximately the same (10%).

    78% of black children in 1960 were being raised in two-parent homes that had seen remarkable economic progress over the previous two decades. The poverty rate for African-Americans was cut in half during the 1940s and 1950s, falling from 80% to 40%

    But starting in the 1960s, black families began to fall apart and there were much higher levels of unemployment. Daniel Patrick Moynihan became nationally famous when he wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Pincher Martin

    Pin, Daniel Patrick Moynihan would be blasted out of existence if he published his report today. Thankfully, only a few people like you have the temerity to bring it up today. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    , @Bucky
    @Pincher Martin

    I've always been skeptical of such numbers. How did they get them?

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    , @nsa
    @Pincher Martin

    "Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties"
    Having studied the race problem deeply for several years, Moynihan came to the conclusion that there was no readily available solution and famously stated "it would benefit from a period of benign neglect". The "benign neglect" quote made Moynihan the most hated intellectual in America, until Hernstein and Murray (The Bell Curve) came along in 1994.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  231. @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    Low- and high-trust societies in developed countries are unrelated to average IQ.

    Germans, Americans and Japanese are high-trust societies.

    Italians, Chinese and South Koreans are low-trust societies.

    They all have approximately the same average IQ. The average Asian IQ might be a little higher than the average European IQ, but that isn’t the critical factor in the split between high- and low-trust societies even after controlling for race.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations' trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Americans and Germans for the most part trust their institutions and are proud of them, see them as part of their national identity in fact. In contrast I've never heard an Italian have a good word to say about their authorities and institutions, they have little faith in their state/institutions to protect them hence low trust society. The assumption in Italy seems to be that any public official, or frankly any unknown person, is corrupt and dishonest until proven otherwise.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Znzn, @128

  232. Rumor: Internet Archive might be in trouble.
    You probably already know about Internet Archive, the giant online library of mainly books old enough to be out of copyright. It’s one of the few cases of the internet being used properly, a defeat of censorship and a potential deathless civilizational record. Artists like John Coulthart mine its free, obscure, and faithfully maintained illustrations for modern collages. By downloading and re-archiving titles human memory is protected.
    Then they decided that they should allow the “renting” of new titles still in copyright. Then publishers, who are like the MPAA with worse dress sense, found out. Now the Archive is being sued and it’s highly unlikely that they will be able to claim that their uploading and making available of copyrighted material was an innocent student mistake.
    Good thing civilization is ending because we were unworthy of it.

  233. OT – trials of chloroquine, stopped after a Lancet paper saying it increased deaths, recommence as Lancet red-flags paper.

    I wonder if Surgisphere have any relationship with Gilead? It was very convenient that the cheap cure should be trashed while the expensive cure was being promoted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

    The World Health Organization and a number of national governments have changed their Covid-19 policies and treatments on the basis of flawed data from a little-known US healthcare analytics company, also calling into question the integrity of key studies published in some of the world’s most prestigious medical journals.

    A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

    Data it claims to have legitimately obtained from more than a thousand hospitals worldwide formed the basis of scientific articles that have led to changes in Covid-19 treatment policies in Latin American countries. It was also behind a decision by the WHO and research institutes around the world to halt trials of the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine. On Wednesday, the WHO announced those trials would now resume.

    Two of the world’s leading medical journals – the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published studies based on Surgisphere data. The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.

    Late on Tuesday, after being approached by the Guardian, the Lancet released an “expression of concern” about its published study. The New England Journal of Medicine has also issued a similar notice.

    An independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has now been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere because of “concerns that have been raised about the reliability of the database”.

    • Thanks: Lockean Proviso
  234. @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    We make fun of Anti-Fa for being "ugly." However, in comparison to the Rotherham Pakis, Anti-Fa look like GQ models.

    There's something seriously messed up with their gene pool. Their faces are hideous, filled all sorts of defects and abnormalities. Perhaps it's somehow related to the inbreeding associated with cousin marriage and the caste system?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  235. Anonymous[849] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pincher Martin
    @Znzn

    Low- and high-trust societies in developed countries are unrelated to average IQ.

    Germans, Americans and Japanese are high-trust societies.

    Italians, Chinese and South Koreans are low-trust societies.

    They all have approximately the same average IQ. The average Asian IQ might be a little higher than the average European IQ, but that isn't the critical factor in the split between high- and low-trust societies even after controlling for race.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations’ trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Americans and Germans for the most part trust their institutions and are proud of them, see them as part of their national identity in fact. In contrast I’ve never heard an Italian have a good word to say about their authorities and institutions, they have little faith in their state/institutions to protect them hence low trust society. The assumption in Italy seems to be that any public official, or frankly any unknown person, is corrupt and dishonest until proven otherwise.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous


    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations’ trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.
     
    Actually, it's more about trust between fellow citizens, although that could manifest itself in the ways you mention.

    Francis Fukuyama wrote a book on the subject called, appropriately, Trust: Social Virtues and the Creation of Prosperity. One of the most interesting features of that book is the argument that only societies with high trust can easily create large modern corporations.

    The Americans, Germans, and Japanese are all examples. Because their citizens have high levels of trust, they can reach out beyond family and clan to build large corporate brands that last.

    The Italians and Chinese have much smaller family-based firms that are highly successful and often create marvelous products (especially the Italians), but limited in their growth upside because of the low levels of trust that exist outside the family in those cultures.

    The South Koreas are the oddball because, as Fukuyama argues, the South Korean government essentially created large modern Korean corporations by fiat. Fukuyama argues that for societies with low trust, that might be the only way to build large corporations.

    And twenty years ago, Fukuyama argued that trust among Americans was declining.

    Replies: @Znzn

    , @Znzn
    @Anonymous

    The problem is that the people here are autists who only look at a single component, violent crime, rather than at things like financial crimes. I mean Italy and Portugal have very low homicide rates, like as low or lower than some East Asian countries, but have fairly corrupt governments, and are fairly low trust cultures.

    , @128
    @Anonymous

    Korea is the wonder of the world where all of the previous presidents since 1990 have been imprisoned for corruption right? And how many Chinese officials were sentenced to death for corruption?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=china+scams

  236. @Pincher Martin
    @Yawrate


    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.
     
    That hasn't always been true. During the 1950s, most black families stayed together. Divorce was rarer for black families back in that decade than it is for white families today. Most blacks also worked in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black and white teenage males was approximately the same (10%).

    78% of black children in 1960 were being raised in two-parent homes that had seen remarkable economic progress over the previous two decades. The poverty rate for African-Americans was cut in half during the 1940s and 1950s, falling from 80% to 40%

    But starting in the 1960s, black families began to fall apart and there were much higher levels of unemployment. Daniel Patrick Moynihan became nationally famous when he wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bucky, @nsa

    Pin, Daniel Patrick Moynihan would be blasted out of existence if he published his report today. Thankfully, only a few people like you have the temerity to bring it up today. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Buffalo Joe

    (I can't tell if you are being ironic or not, so I'll play your comment straight.)

    Moynihan was blasted about his report in the mid-sixties.

    But he was still right, and I'm just as right about a similar topic today. There's no evidence that the structure of the black family is a major factor in determining why black crime rates are so much higher than white crime rates. The homicide rate among blacks is much lower now than it was in 1969, even if most black kids today grow up in broken families and most in the nineteen-fifties and nineteen-sixties did not.

    Having said that, I'm sure there are several marginal benefits to wanting as many kids as possible to be raised in two-parent families that are sufficiently good to make it a desirable national policy or cultural goal. Less child poverty, for one.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  237. Steve,

    OT but you might want to take a gander at Kirsten Powers’ new column in USA Today entitled “America’s overdue reckoning with white supremacy: ‘We have allowed evil to flourish’.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/06/04/george-floyd-white-supremacy-reparations-column/3135256001/

    It is quite literally the most supplicating, obsequious, suffocating piece of self-abasement that I’ve read this week, and that’s significant.

    Yes, it’s a scary and chaotic historical moment, but, in the end, this might be what it takes for white people to finally face up to our failure to eradicate the white supremacy that infects our society. As my friend and anti-racism educator Lisa Sharon Harper says, “The only course of action for white people now is repentance and repair.”

    I’ll start: I repent for my lack of action. I repent for my lack of urgency. I repent for not listening more. I repent for lacking humility. If the religious language of repentance alienates you, then just try saying, “I’m sorry.”

    I urge all white people to really search their conscience and take responsibility for how they have benefited from not challenging white supremacy.

    Because we have all benefited.

    It’s oh so cringeworthy…

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Rob Lee

    Rob, racism is forever, but White Supremcy only started with Trump's election and there are so many thing we already have to be sorry for or ashamed off. They have to slow down a bit.

  238. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Have watched local interviews with protesters. They all think blacks are practically hunted by the police and beaten. The all want to defund the police. They all prattle on about sytems of oppression, white privelege, systemic racism, and systemic inequality.

    Not one knew that blacks, at 13% of the population, commit more than 50% of all violent crime.

    Nobody brought up George Floyd’s armed robbery, drug possession, pornographic actor career, fentanyl intoxication at the time of his death****

    *****If George Floyd was intoxicated with Fentanyl, and had remained in the car parked around the corner, he would have probably died on the trip home if his eyes shut. Thats what happens: the eyes tire from distance-focusing brought on by opiods (tiny pupils strain the muscles behind the eye to focus for long distance), the user “nods off” to sleep, and while asleep respitory suppression from the drug makes them stop breathing. Unconscious and high, they dont “feel” the need to breath, and thus die while asleep.

  239. “The differences in the racial rates for property crimes, though smaller than those for violent offenses, are still substantial. The estimated rate at which black men commit burglary is three times higher than it is for white men; for rape, it is five times higher.”

    Who knew that rape was crime against property?

    And Wilson’s not even black.

    And
    “When whites walk down the street, they are more nervous when they encounter a black man”

    Wasn’t Jesse Jackson famously more nervous- to the point of crossing the street, when he encountered blacks?

  240. @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason

    Someone who passes a counterfeit bill may be an innocent victim of the person from whom they got that bill. They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd's death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word "sainted" which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him. Can't quite tell what position you're taking.)

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.

    I use the word ‘sainted’ in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don’t think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Jonathan Mason

    There certainly is a hidden story, I'll take a crack at the number one question that a real journalist would ask..... who paid Derek to execute George? You all know they had a history, correct? Killing him live on TV certainly sends a message to the rest of the troops about insubordination.

    , @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    If the bill passer was gone and the store keeper reported it the dispatcher might have told him to go to a police station to report it, or 2 cops might have come by to take a report.

    Cities have a policy of 2 cops to a car nowadays. Safe suburbs still use the one cop to a car, but not 19 percent black, thus high crime cities like Minneapolis

    The store clerk told the dispatcher that Floyd was drunk or something “ can’t control himself” 2 cops arrived and the 6’6 250 of Floyd slumped against the wall. Then 2 more cops arrived. Floyd was huge and it took all 4 to get him into the back seat of the car.

    In Los Angeles it’s usually 4 or more cops when they might have to make an arrest. Might be defense against possible law suits. Might be because of all the women and small Hispanic and Asian men. Whatever the reason, it’s SOP in the big cities now.

    Few months ago I saw 4 5’7 5’8 Hispanic cops surrounding a 6’5 black man. Didn’t even come up to his shoulder. They just spoke with him and left. He had a bike, maybe they gave him a ticket and scolding for riding a bike on the sidewalk.

    As for counterfeit bills, SOP is to search the offender and his car. If he has another counterfeit bill on him, he’s held and secret service notified. A SS person gets over to the jail, questions the offender and starts an investigation.

    All Floyd had to do was return the pack of cigarettes he bought when the clerk demanded Or just keep the cigarettes and change and drive away. Why didn’t he just drive away? Most plausible explanation he was under the influence of the very strong anesthetic fentanyl and was in no condition to drive.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    ...though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.
     
    And, until recently, the input of a "devil's advocate". Is one handy?
    , @ben tillman
    @Jonathan Mason


    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.
     
    Border Patrol confiscated $900k in fake bills at the Minnesota/Canada a few months ago. Someone on another site alleged that there is a connection between the counterfeit bills and the club where Chaauvin and Flowyd both worked, and that Floyd and all four of the ciops on the scene were somehow involved.
  241. @Buffalo Joe
    @Pincher Martin

    Pin, Daniel Patrick Moynihan would be blasted out of existence if he published his report today. Thankfully, only a few people like you have the temerity to bring it up today. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    (I can’t tell if you are being ironic or not, so I’ll play your comment straight.)

    Moynihan was blasted about his report in the mid-sixties.

    But he was still right, and I’m just as right about a similar topic today. There’s no evidence that the structure of the black family is a major factor in determining why black crime rates are so much higher than white crime rates. The homicide rate among blacks is much lower now than it was in 1969, even if most black kids today grow up in broken families and most in the nineteen-fifties and nineteen-sixties did not.

    Having said that, I’m sure there are several marginal benefits to wanting as many kids as possible to be raised in two-parent families that are sufficiently good to make it a desirable national policy or cultural goal. Less child poverty, for one.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Pincher Martin

    Pin, I had timed out yesterday so I wanted to say both of your comments were exceptional. I was being sarcastic. Monihan's report is still relevant today, but he couldn't publish.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  242. @Joe Walker
    @John Achterhof

    I think it is due to the fact that the United States has been a more diverse country and this diversity breeds hostility and violence.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    But Switzerland has an immigrant population 35% of the native born. Isn’t that diversity?

  243. An anon on 4chan might have something more important than a diseased fentanyl user suffering a heart attack and Democrat mayors ordering police to abandon their duties:

    The famous [hydroxychloroquine] study that said more died from using it than w/o, and that halted the use of HCQ in almost every country of the world … is [possibly] FAKE.

    A “company” called Surgisphere which apparently specializes in using AI to work through data, seems to be a “dummy” company that nobody even heard of [but this could also just be otaku not having heard of a big data firm. Then again, you know who else handled data was Choicepoint and Fusion GPS].

    More info here: https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
    tweet from the MD that did the research: https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1266445918225739776

    UPDATE:
    James Todaro, MD: BOOM. Lancet study on hydroxychloroquine retracted.

    Published study existed for only 13 days.

    Did Twitter peer-review result in the quickest retraction ever for a study of this magnitude? #LancetGate

    https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1268616979344056330

    The irregularities here look promising, but even if they don’t pan out, the lyingpress misinformation campaign defaming an established drug which could have (and by all serious accounts did) help suffering people represents a real low point for Trump derangement syndrome (and craven devotion to sponsors, since lying about out of copyright hydroxychloroquine was usually followed by gushing over still in copyright remdesivir). Given the simply dishonest claims about hydroxychloroquine coming universally from every surface of the mass media monolith, faking a study would hardly be a stretch.
    ——
    Oh and Mexico got jealous of all our fun, and their cops woke up long enough to shoot a guy who didn’t want to put on a face mask, so now they have car-burning riots too.

  244. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    No father in the home makes for bad boys.

  245. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.
     
    I use the word 'sainted' in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @ben tillman

    There certainly is a hidden story, I’ll take a crack at the number one question that a real journalist would ask….. who paid Derek to execute George? You all know they had a history, correct? Killing him live on TV certainly sends a message to the rest of the troops about insubordination.

  246. @Pincher Martin
    @Yawrate


    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.
     
    That hasn't always been true. During the 1950s, most black families stayed together. Divorce was rarer for black families back in that decade than it is for white families today. Most blacks also worked in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black and white teenage males was approximately the same (10%).

    78% of black children in 1960 were being raised in two-parent homes that had seen remarkable economic progress over the previous two decades. The poverty rate for African-Americans was cut in half during the 1940s and 1950s, falling from 80% to 40%

    But starting in the 1960s, black families began to fall apart and there were much higher levels of unemployment. Daniel Patrick Moynihan became nationally famous when he wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bucky, @nsa

    I’ve always been skeptical of such numbers. How did they get them?

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Bucky

    Thomas Sowell covers the full range of data in one of his books.

    Sowell began making these arguments in the nineteen-seventies when debating liberals who he felt were making up the root causes of black backwardness with pseudo-historical facts, one of which was that slavery broke the black family irrevocably.

  247. @ben tillman
    This thing is really working. Trump has lost 20% of his support in the last week.

    Replies: @res

    Do you believe those polls?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @res

    No, just going by my Facebook feed. Occasionally, when others talk about events producing insanity on Facebook, I check, and I never see anything. Today was wildly different.

    Buit at least Trump will get a million extra votes from Mexicans.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  248. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @Curle

    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group. The name is a misnomer because only some of them came to the American colonies from Ulster. Others came from both sides of the Scottish/English border, which meets the Irish Sea not far from the Scottish side of the narrow strait (2 or 3 miles) which separates Scotland from Ireland. The Ulstermen were the descendants of transplanted border region dwellers. Some members of the gentry in these areas, who were fighting gentry constantly involved in battles on the border, became gentry in the American South. Scotch Irish Andrew Jackson was an example of social moblity as a poor farmer's son who rose to the Presidency through military service and politics. The gentry of the Southern Tidewater mostly were the offspring of the gentry of an area of England a little west of where the Puritans came from.

    Replies: @anon

    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group.

    No, they aren’t.

    The Scotch are a real ethnic group, ditto the Irish.

    You’re correct on the “Scotch-Irish” provenance, although I’d add that the Ulstermen in question were only recent descendants of those transplants, the transplanting starting, at the earliest, in the early 1600’s, and ramping up a few decades later.

    I don’t understand why a group of people who were ethnically English as much as Scottish, and certainly more than they were Irish, are referred to as “Scotch-Irish” hundreds of years later. Most of them have spent far more time in America than they ever did in Ireland. At this point, aren’t they just Americans?

    I suspect “Scotch-Irish” and variants are academic creations that have gained currency due to fashionable anti-Anglo racism; and also, apparently, the only thing less fashionable than being English is being American, and even white hillbillies wish to have a more exotic ethnic identity. “Scotch-Irish” – or, even gayer, “Scots-Irish” – is the only straw they can clutch.

    Perhaps I will be told that of course they’re American, but Americans come in many flavours. But so does everyone else. My question: if you can’t claim to be ethnically American after 400 years, when can you?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @anon

    Few if any nations exist that are entirely ethnically homogenous. If that is a requirement for nationhood, there aren't many, or perhaps any, real nations, and there never have been.

    Replies: @anon

    , @anon
    @anon

    I'm surprised no one on Unz seems to know the basic facts about the Scotch Irish.
    These people lived on the borderlands of England and Scotland, a shifting and often lawless border, subject to numerous wars, in the centuries leading up to the colonization of America.
    These borderlanders were both Scottish and English. They were a classic "honor" society of herders who had to be violent to protect their own.
    They came to America in large numbers in the 17th and 18th centuries, departing from Northern Ireland (where they picked up the name "Scotch Irish").
    They settled in the Appalachians and their culture spread through the upper South, where they found lawless conditions similar to their homelands and continued their free life even into the twentieth century.
    You know them as hillbillies and rednecks. You can see them on TV at NASCAR races.
    If any white people in America still have a sense of place, family, tradition, and tribal pride, they are it.

  249. nsa says:
    @Pincher Martin
    @Yawrate


    One reason young black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than whites might be because many more of them grow up in fatherless homes.
     
    That hasn't always been true. During the 1950s, most black families stayed together. Divorce was rarer for black families back in that decade than it is for white families today. Most blacks also worked in the 1940s and 1950s. In 1948, the unemployment rate for black and white teenage males was approximately the same (10%).

    78% of black children in 1960 were being raised in two-parent homes that had seen remarkable economic progress over the previous two decades. The poverty rate for African-Americans was cut in half during the 1940s and 1950s, falling from 80% to 40%

    But starting in the 1960s, black families began to fall apart and there were much higher levels of unemployment. Daniel Patrick Moynihan became nationally famous when he wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Bucky, @nsa

    “Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties”
    Having studied the race problem deeply for several years, Moynihan came to the conclusion that there was no readily available solution and famously stated “it would benefit from a period of benign neglect”. The “benign neglect” quote made Moynihan the most hated intellectual in America, until Hernstein and Murray (The Bell Curve) came along in 1994.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @nsa

    Yes, I generally agree with your main point, but Moynihan's comment about "benign neglect" came years after he wrote the report when he was working in the Nixon administration.

  250. @peterike
    Oh speaking of what do Antifa look like....

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpg8qMHk/8-EA52-D98-20-EE-4805-9836-CD111217-D09-D.jpg

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Corn, @Lurker

    Does looking at antifa mugshots depress anyone else?

    We’re losing the culture war to these people!

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Corn

    They are not winning, they're merely the zombie foot soldiers for the other side, the side that is winning. Really they're just more victims. They just don't realise it at the moment.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  251. @Wilkey
    @Whiskey


    Remember when every woman in America went all lady tingles for Dhokar Tsarnaev on Rolling Stone?
     
    No.

    Just because Rolling Stone tried to make him into a sex symbol doesn’t mean that he ever actually was a sex symbol. I doubt that anything more than the few usual assorted crazies ever got their panties wet looking at it.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Every sicko killer gets fan mail from women wanting to marry him and/or spring him from prison.

  252. The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes, but this is objectively a bigger story. The case against hydroxychloroquine with zinc was faked, lazily, to enable the lockdown and remdesivir. It wasn’t just reflexive Orange Man Bad, there are plain criminal motives and actions here. This could be connected to the memory holed but deeply bizarre event in Canada where a Jewish billionaire drug manufacturer and his wife were murdered (guess what one of their drugs was).
    A Dutch anon summarized:

    Study that debunked HCQ got debunked by 3 of its own authors.

    The 4th turns out to be a scam artist using a shell company and a pornstar as one of his fake workers.

    A medicine that could’ve prevented the lockdown has been withheld from the public by any means necessary.

    I was talking about HCQ before Trump was, even before the lockdown, as a result of access to alternative media and French anons translating the discussions of their epidemiologist Raoult, who suggested HCQ right away given success using it for a previous and similar virus. Imagine if people like Fauci and various governors were following this part of the story, instead of getting their information about HCQ from a fraud and a porn star pretending to be a medical think tank.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @J.Ross

    Thanks.

    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes...

     

    How dare you refer to a smashing Republican election victory as a "dangerous policy change"?

    If this year's election prospects weren't looking very good for the GOP, they suddenly got infinitely better with the start of the riots. 5,000 commercials could be made with the footage so far, none of it good for the Democrats.

    I am almost tempted to wish that Trump would let the riots continue for as long as local officials refuse to do anything to stop them, but whatever other handicaps Trump may have, his political instincts (not to mention Forrest Gump-levels of luck) seem to be far better than mine.

    We should also remember that this is a census year. Doing well in state elections this year will help with redistricting. Anger could be even more intense at the local level than the national one, and that could mean more GOP control of the statehouses and yet another decade with political boundaries drawn in our favor.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  253. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.
     
    I use the word 'sainted' in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @ben tillman

    If the bill passer was gone and the store keeper reported it the dispatcher might have told him to go to a police station to report it, or 2 cops might have come by to take a report.

    Cities have a policy of 2 cops to a car nowadays. Safe suburbs still use the one cop to a car, but not 19 percent black, thus high crime cities like Minneapolis

    The store clerk told the dispatcher that Floyd was drunk or something “ can’t control himself” 2 cops arrived and the 6’6 250 of Floyd slumped against the wall. Then 2 more cops arrived. Floyd was huge and it took all 4 to get him into the back seat of the car.

    In Los Angeles it’s usually 4 or more cops when they might have to make an arrest. Might be defense against possible law suits. Might be because of all the women and small Hispanic and Asian men. Whatever the reason, it’s SOP in the big cities now.

    Few months ago I saw 4 5’7 5’8 Hispanic cops surrounding a 6’5 black man. Didn’t even come up to his shoulder. They just spoke with him and left. He had a bike, maybe they gave him a ticket and scolding for riding a bike on the sidewalk.

    As for counterfeit bills, SOP is to search the offender and his car. If he has another counterfeit bill on him, he’s held and secret service notified. A SS person gets over to the jail, questions the offender and starts an investigation.

    All Floyd had to do was return the pack of cigarettes he bought when the clerk demanded Or just keep the cigarettes and change and drive away. Why didn’t he just drive away? Most plausible explanation he was under the influence of the very strong anesthetic fentanyl and was in no condition to drive.

  254. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Sorry that this is OT, but for some weird reason the double-whammy of virus-panic plus race-riot/White Kristelnacht has put this into my head. I've just been thinking about this peculiar circumstance, don't know what it means.

    For a while after I got out of college, I spent a few years working in hospitals and clinics -- which is odd, because I wasn't pre-med and had no interest in health sciences, but for some weird reason, there I was.

    One of these jobs was being the general office manager for a very prominent physician, and about half of my day was spent managing this doctor's enormous world-wide correspondence, basically answering a lot of his mail, replying to medical and surgical questions from hospitals in Europe and Asia, editing recommendation letters for residencies and med-school grads, that sort of thing.

    The peculiar aspect of this gig, and the reason I'm telling you this, is that through a strange fluke of luck, the doctor's name was highly similar to the name of a very popular self-help author, just off by a letter or two. Imagine if your name was Opreh Wunfrey, how much accidental mail you'd get.

    Anyway I had to spend hours and hours of my time patiently writing polite reply letters to desperate, crazy unhinged people whose lives were falling apart, who had written to Dr. Winfree seeking advice, and carefully explaining to them that they had the wrong Dr. Winfrey. You can't imagine the oceans of badly typed or weirdly hand-written crackpot letters I had to read, then calmly reply to.

    A bit like moderating an Unz blog, I suppose. But when I look at the fountains of BLM/Democrat/Well-meaning Rube hogwash that is being written about the Floydocaust, it takes me back to the salad days.

    Replies: @anon

    You were like Barletby the Scrivener working in the dead letter office. Reading the stories of human woe in the letters drove Bartleby to final despair.

  255. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1268521085164814338

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abe, @Corn

    Tracey takes so much crap from fellow progs he’ll probably go full Pinochet by November

  256. I’ve been thinking that the whole laughable Reparations movement could be turned into a Repatriation movement and rid us of the Negro problem.

    1. Offer a large lifetime monthly payment of reparation to any black who can prove any descent from slaves—-on the caveat that said blacks must renounce U.S. citizenship and move and accept citizenship in another nation. Parents must renounce the citizenship of underage children and take them as well—and each child gets the same monthly lifetime payment.

    2. Contract with West African and majority-black nations to accept these American blacks and grant them citizenship. Bribe them as much as possible.

    3. Have U.S. paid contractors go in and build brand-new, luxury housing in the foreign-contracted nations for the American blacks. Each unit would be gifted to any American black who takes the deal, in addition to the large monthly “repatriation” payment.

    4. Pass a constitutional amendment that any children of people who renounce their citizenship shall not be American citizens, whether natural born or otherwise, and if a parent renounces on behalf of the child, the child’s children shall also not be American citizens. And, in addition, if a person whose citizenship was renounced tries to get citizenship again, their citizenship shall be denied.

    5. Pay American black leaders generous amounts (bribes) to tout these places as a paradise for blacks. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. all get double or triple the payment and the biggest pads, but they must renounce publcly and on television to encourage other blacks.

    6. Run commercials and pay rappers to extol the virtues of leaving.

    7. Pay American corporations to open Nike shops, jewelry shops, gaudy clothing shops in the foreign-contracted nations right in the complexes built for American blacks. Highlight them in commercials.

    This is nothing more than repatriating a foreign people who cannot abide by the norms of our society and are hear in too large a number at this point to deal with any other way.

    The foreign nations will see a huge rise in their fortunes thanks to all the wealthy blacks moving in and spending their “repatriation” money. American blacks will suddenly become a wealthy upper class “in their own homeland.” And America will be rid of the vast majority—if not 90% or more—of the blacks who find it so hard to be here.

    It makes too much sense, which is why it won’t be done.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @R.G. Camara

    ...Or you could just move to Vladivostok.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  257. LancetGate is a bigger story but New Mogadishu is going full Somali:

  258. @res
    @ben tillman

    Do you believe those polls?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    No, just going by my Facebook feed. Occasionally, when others talk about events producing insanity on Facebook, I check, and I never see anything. Today was wildly different.

    Buit at least Trump will get a million extra votes from Mexicans.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @ben tillman

    If Trump wants to gain the vote of more Mexicans-and really, more from everybody-he should fire Mnuchin and Kushner now, state how sorry he was to the public for ever appointing them, and immediately go full on populist. Probably too late for that, but you never know until you try.

    Then he'd openly praise the Latin Kings for defending their neighborhoods from looters, unlike another party that apologizes for them, and places the concerns of spoiled upper-middle class gutter radicals over their businesses and families beneath all the rhetoric about tolerance. Refuge in audacity.

  259. @Curle
    @black sea

    Scots-Irish isn’t a particularly accurate category. It became a general category for white southerners uncertain of their ancestry. Scots-Irish are sufficiently well represented among all social classes that there is no more particularized association between Scots-Irish and white trash than there is between Scots-Irish and the gentry.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @R.G. Camara

    Nah, Scots-Irish in the South was distinct from the old upper class Southerners, who were English-descended. Scots-Irish were Scottish protestants who were either Scottish born or were born in Ireland after the Plantation of Ireland, where the British government colonized Northern Ireland with protestant Scots to prevent the native Irish from rebellion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland

  260. @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Some of my favorite people!

  261. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.
     
    I use the word 'sainted' in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @ben tillman

    …though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    And, until recently, the input of a “devil’s advocate”. Is one handy?

  262. @Pat Boyle
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Why is Hollywood missing out on the theme of fantasy counter-racism? We have had the "Hunger Games" stories in which in the near future white people are annually chosen to kill other white people for some sort of political agenda. I may be wrong about this because in spite of trying several times to watch these very popular films I just can't. They are too stupid and improbable.

    I have seen the also popular "Escape from New York" and "Escape from LA films". The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable. No verisimilitude. There are also many other similar but less famous films where there has been a crazy social reorganization because of some societal problem, often crime. Most of these make very little sense. In the similar area crazy social adjustments to current environmental policies. For example the idea that melting all the ice sheets would cover the whole earth. Doing that raises the sea level about 200 feet. My house is at 1,000 feet in the Oakland hills. My previous apartment in San Francisco was at about 800 feet. Most people in America would never personally experience a sea level rise of 200 feet. When I saw this movie in the theater I didn't know the statistics but it seemed very improbable. It took me out of the movie. Yet almost everyone in the national movie audiences accepts such wild improbabilities.

    Which brings us back to the absence of movies about the treatment of blacks in some imagined future America. For example, why no movie future society in which white society is fed up with black crime and puts a bounty on Negros. White guys hunt black guys. The movie script almost writes itself. We used to have bounties on wolves and bears and Indians (I think). Our troops in Viet Nam wore strings of ears. So it is nowhere near as crazy as the plots of many Hollywood features of the past few years. I would have thought such a plot - sort of "Escape from New York" crossed with "The Hunger Games" - would be a natural.

    Replies: @Ray P, @Harry Baldwin

    I have seen the also popular “Escape from New York” and “Escape from LA films”. The first is quite good while the second is again too stupid and improbable.

    Kind of like “Death Wish” (1974) vs “Death Wish 3” (1986).

  263. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    They could also be a low level member of a counterfeiting ring, who has passed many of those bills to many small merchants. Is the lesson of Mr. Floyd’s death that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting? (I noticed that you used the word “sainted” which is almost always sarcastic, or at least ironic, to refer to Mr. Floyd, but you also seem to be mocking the cops for going after him.
     
    I use the word 'sainted' in view of the fact that Floyd seems to have been posthumously fast-tracked to the status of holy martyr, though sainthood usually requires a waiting period of five years after death.

    I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to counterfeiting, but I am raising an eyebrow at the fact that four cops showed up within minutes while Floyd was still in the area, when one might have expected one cop to show up the next day to take a report if this was just an isolated incident of a note that appeared to a shopkeeper to be a fake.

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    As I pointed out in a prior post, there are web sites advertising 100% real looking fake banknotes that they claim can pass though machines undetected or be used in casinos, and I would have though such merchants would be the primary targets for law enforcement actions, but what do I know?

    https://counterfeitnotestore.com/product/buy-counterfeit-20-us-dollar-bills/

    Replies: @dr kill, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @ben tillman

    Perhaps there is a hidden story here. Perhaps Minnesota had been plagued by an epidemic of false bills and there was a special counterfeiting squad of detectives trying to respond rapidly to catch the perpetrator in possession of fake bills and track down their origin.

    Border Patrol confiscated $900k in fake bills at the Minnesota/Canada a few months ago. Someone on another site alleged that there is a connection between the counterfeit bills and the club where Chaauvin and Flowyd both worked, and that Floyd and all four of the ciops on the scene were somehow involved.

  264. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    There is probably a positive correlation between economic dynamism and a certain degree of violence.

    In other words, white Europeans nowadays are too timid and passive.

  265. @Abe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Point is, BLM, Antifa, and such groups are getting us closer to anarcho-tyranny right now in 2020. But do go ahead and test the premise. If you’re correct, then freedom of speech means that while some (or even most) may get offended, there will still be people willing to publicly defend your right to speak controversial things, and that your side will carry the day.
     
    The large majority of Americans are squishy normies and that is who we are talking about (sorry, I may have confused the matter with my imprecision) winning over, not hardcore Woke ideologues who are at best sounding boards to use to win over still-winnable 3rd parities.

    Look, in 2004 wouldn’t you say Howard Dean, on balance, was more right than Dubya Bush? Wasn’t even freakin’ Michael Moore more right than Dubya- at least on the biggest issues? (hard to see how he could have been more wrong)

    Yet Dean was laughed off stage even by a sympathetic liberal press looking for a Cowboy-slayer for his apoplectic screaming antics even though he was mostly right and had reason to be angry (Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done). Interestingly even Moore’s boiling anger during his Oscar acceptance speech was poorly received by his liberal Hollywood audience.

    The point is- call them out, but stay cool even as indulgently roll your eyes and shrug your shoulders at their nuttiness. The Wokesters need to dominate all conversation and narrative will make them lose it and reveal to normies what a raving nut they really are.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Alden, @Peterike

    “ Bush’s conning the US into a war under false premises is probably the worst thing any President has ever done).”

    Americans were conned into WWI and WWII with even more outrageous lies. Not to excuse the vile Bush, but c’mon there’s been way worse done. Let’s not even discuss Lincoln.

  266. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. Doing the first is relatively easy, but it will have little effect. Achieving the second is harder and will take much longer, but it will have a large effect.
     
    How much is the drop in black crime rates due to race mixing? Is eventually seeking to achieve low rates of black crime another way of saying society should pursue a very long term plan to absorb blacks genetically with whites and the other races? Such a plan is probably the only feasible way for the country to go beyond current racial tensions but it will take well over 100 years to achieve unless government intervention speeds it up.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    How much is the drop in black crime rates due to race mixing? Is eventually seeking to achieve low rates of black crime another way of saying society should pursue a very long term plan to absorb blacks genetically with whites and the other races? Such a plan is probably the only feasible way for the country to go beyond current racial tensions but it will take well over 100 years to achieve unless government intervention speeds it up.

    Race mixing is being pursued to improve black academic and employment achievement. It won’t take 100 years.

  267. @syonredux
    Some stats. Bear in mind that the FBI lumps Hispanics in with Anglo Whites, so the White stats are inflated:

    Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)
     

    Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders.
     
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data


    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:

    White Homicide Victims in 2013: 3,005
    Number of Whites who were killed by Blacks:409
    Number of Whites who were killed by “Whites”:2,509

    Black homicide Victims in 2013: Black or African American 2,491
    Number of Blacks who were killed by other Blacks: 2,245
    Number of Blacks who were killed by “Whites”:189

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

    According to the FBI SHR data, in 2011 there were 6,309 black homicide victims in the United States. The homicide rate
    among black victims in the United States was 17.51 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.44
    per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

     

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide14.pdf

    Replies: @Truth

    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:

    Well now, if the stats for “white offenders” are inflated because they are conflated with Hispanics, then so must be the stats for “white victims” isn’t that right, Richard Freyman?

    Bro, let’s call a truce. Get back to doing what you do well, put up a few pictures of beautiful “chicks” and I promise to honor a moratorium on the truth about this from now until the end of June. Make your boys happy.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Truth

    Hold up, even if we accept your premise about lumping Hispanics in or not in with whites, blacks still commit more violent crimes than whites, and at a higher rate, and at a much higher rate vs non-blacks (as opposed to whites committing tons of crimes vs blacks). You have a problem with that?

    Bottom line: you still lose that debate.

    And Katharine hasn't posted smutty pictures in ages, likely 'cause its not gonna happen for a long while. Forget him ever posting a pic of Christie Brinkley, for instance. The closest thing to a perfect ten in the entire 20th century.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @bomag
    @Truth

    Uhm, he said White stats are inflated, covering both sides of the equation.

    Math is not on your side.

    Replies: @Truth

  268. @syonredux
    Interesting.....

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism, such as in post-WW II Christian Democratic Europe, given all the political collaborators and the mainstreaming of the fringe in the US? Otherwise, how is it suppose to go away?
     
    https://twitter.com/daniel_dsj2110/status/1268617359322828800

    Replies: @Barnard, @Harry Baldwin

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism

    In May 2016, assuming a Hillary victory, Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet laid out his plan:

    In a Friday blog post at Balkinization, Mark Tushnet said conservatives and Christians have lost the culture wars, and now the question is “how to deal with the losers.”

    “My own judgment is that taking a hard line (‘You lost, live with it’) is better than trying to accommodate the losers,” he wrote.

    “Trying to be nice to the losers didn’t work well after the Civil War, nor after Brown,” Mr. Tushnet wrote, citing the Supreme Court case on segregation. “And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Harry Baldwin

    The civic mythology about the Civil War that was so normative in the United States for a century after the war, the one that praised both Lincoln and Lee as heroes and gave Northern and Southern schoolchildren points of common identification, served a totally un-romantic purpose: to reintegrate the South after a vicious civil war that had killed 1 in 4 males of military age, and not just to not trigger a guerilla uprising, but to snuff out secessionist sentiment for good.

    This approach succeeded beyond anybody's wildest expectations: no better proof of that is shown than the fact that segregationists couched their arguments in the 1950s and 1960s on the basis that the South was *more* American than the rest of America, not something distinct and separate. From the perspective of national unity and social stability, it worked more than "reasonably well". Of course, there was a dark side to the successful political cult: the price for all of this was born by black Americans for a century. So, if they were the ones by and large complaining about how we view the Civil War, that'd be understandable.

    But they aren't: and why should they? Black America's grievances in that sphere have long since been addressed: even the most conservative school districts in America give due attention to slavery, lynching, and Jim Crow. No, it's largely bien-pensant liberals, mostly if not wholly white, who want to destroy everything and have nothing realistic to replace it with. As always. If their concern was really about de-legitimizing the "Lost Cause", why not replace the statues with James Longstreet, probably the best tactician of the entire war and someone who fought-literally fought-for the rights of black Americans in the postwar South? They don't suggest that: they want to crush people they despise under their heels, and as they get more radical, the number of people they despise grows.

    >“And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”

    Which is why we read about the amazing success of the implemented Morganthau Plan and the peaceful execution of Showa in the history textbooks, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  269. @joeyjoejoe
    "We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. "

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    What it is essentially saying is that equality conquers all, and that we, as a civilization, cannot protect ourselves if doing so conflicts with equality.

    We have to constrain police behavior to 'equality,' even though unequal behavior is entirely justified by citizen behavior (are we constrained to deal the two sexes in terms of rape equally, because equality is paramount? Or can we approach the problem of rape from the perspective of trying to solve it-and dealing with male-on-female rape since, in the overwhelming majority of cases, rape is male on female?).
    But actually attempting to address the problem that Wilson has identified (enormous violent crime rates by blacks): we have to 'hope.'

    Our civilization will literally not thrive (and frankly probably won't survive) until we can address this problem. The black crime rate is utterly fundamental to everything: how cities are designed (why suburbs even exist), problems with public education, human behavior in terms of entertainment (which bars do you go to, and which do you avoid? Which beaches? Fireworks displays? restaurants and shopping areas? public parks? swimming pools?). Where do you buy a house? Will that house maintain its value, or lose value? How much time do you spend commuting? And so on and so on.

    As mentioned with regards to rape rates: there is no fundamental reason why we as a society can't address black crime-we are simply not choosing to do so.

    joe

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @anon, @Lars Porsena, @ben tillman

    “We can do one thing: adopt rules that constrain police freedom to stop and question people based on race alone. We can hope for another: the slow reduction in black crime rates. ”

    This is just about the most honest assessment by an academic or mainstream thinker that we are ever likely to read. And yet, the above statement summarizes the best we can hope for.

    By the way, it’s far from his best work, which I would consider to be Bureaucracy. It’s worth reading.

  270. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Curle

    There is plenty of information in old history books about post war reconstruction and giving blacks the right to vote, also electing them to local office and education.

    Some left their chains behind and went back to Africa, they formed their own place there.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There is plenty of information in old history books about post war reconstruction and giving blacks the right to vote, also electing them to local office and education.

    What is the gist?

  271. @OilcanFloyd
    Clearly, the solution is to tear down Western civilization, remove Confederate monuments, write whites out of history, affirmative racism for blacks and other minorities, and demographic change in all white nations. What do whites get out of any of this?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Gordo, @kihowi, @The Alarmist, @Mike Tre

    We get to pay for it.

  272. anon[467] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    @syonredux

    I had a realization today that the "abolish the police" movement will likely get co-opted and implemented to some degree to get certain cities and states out of their gigantic unfunded pensions. They will disband the police department, fire all the current cops and create some sort of new law enforcement agency to formally enforce anarcho-tyranny. The new agency will not be staffed with white, middle class men expecting to retire at 55 with a fat pension and rich benefits for life. Good luck to the cops and their unions fighting this in court. The ultra rich come out the other side with government permission to have their own private security forces. Our descent towards South Africa continues at an ever increasing pace.

    Replies: @anon

    I had a realization today that the “abolish the police” movement will likely get co-opted and implemented to some degree to get certain cities and states out of their gigantic unfunded pensions. They will disband the police department, fire all the current cops and create some sort of new law enforcement agency to formally enforce anarcho-tyranny

    You’re on to something, but with one difference: contractors.

    They’ll do what companies are already doing with some remote work: contract it out. Contractors can easily be replaced, the liability can be controlled / limited, no need to mess with benefits such as pensions.

    By the way, the original Robocop was fiction.

    • Agree: black sea
  273. @Jonathan Mason
    Anatomy of a white on black murder:

    I used to know this white guy, and recently he murdered a black guy. Here is a picture of the killer.

    https://www.hireexfelon.com/mugshots/florida/doc-prison/PAIGE-C10915.jpg

    Here is a picture of the killer and his victim.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/21/15/28665926-0-image-a-21_1590072247453.jpg

    Paige's (left) arrest comes just four months after he was released from a nearly four-year prison stint in January on weapons charges. Terence Brown (pictured right) was found dead in his front yard on Sunday, deputies said

    You may notice that during his time in a young offender prison, the defendant had supplemented his facial decorations, which originally included a small map of Florida, with a number of tattoos including one of an angel wielding a machine gun. I once asked him why he had tattooed his whole face and he informed me that he was planning on a future career as a tattoo artist, which is a good indication that his level of social functioning and aesthetic judgment was sub-par. It comes as no surprise that his record showed a history of arrests since the age of 13.

    and a bit about the story:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344247/Violent-thug-face-tattoo-angel-holding-machine-gun-arrested-killing-lover.html

    Long story short: Our friend, who had recently been released from prison, having completed his sentence, was having a sexual friendship with the victim, who had posted sexually explicit photographs online--as one does--and then refused to take them down as requested by the defendant. So he got a gun and killed him, regardless of the fact that as a felon, he was not allowed to have a gun.

    Depressing as it is, the majority of murders are somewhat similar and involve young men of whatever race who have grown up completely unsocialized--mostly killing each other, although sometimes the violence does spill over into the noncriminal population.

    They were invariably accidental babies who avoided abortion, born to acopic mothers and absent fathers of low inherited intelligence, raised in "the projects" or foster homes, failed abysmally in school where they presented behavioral problems right from the start leading to school exclusion, and fell in along the way with other delinquents.

    This is a the problem that has to be addressed if we want to reduce the number of murders. Finding a way to get rid of the favelas of the United States.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Bardon Kaldian, @James O'Meara, @PiltdownMan

    Tattooed love boy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Big LMM in her glory days. The kid looks a lot like her now.

    At 68, her face is pretty shot but she still fits her old clothes and her voice is still there.

  274. @Harry Baldwin
    @syonredux

    If Biden wins, are there any proposals on the table for a national program of mass de-fascism


    In May 2016, assuming a Hillary victory, Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet laid out his plan:


    In a Friday blog post at Balkinization, Mark Tushnet said conservatives and Christians have lost the culture wars, and now the question is “how to deal with the losers.”

    “My own judgment is that taking a hard line (‘You lost, live with it’) is better than trying to accommodate the losers,” he wrote.

    “Trying to be nice to the losers didn’t work well after the Civil War, nor after Brown,” Mr. Tushnet wrote, citing the Supreme Court case on segregation. “And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”
     

    Replies: @nebulafox

    The civic mythology about the Civil War that was so normative in the United States for a century after the war, the one that praised both Lincoln and Lee as heroes and gave Northern and Southern schoolchildren points of common identification, served a totally un-romantic purpose: to reintegrate the South after a vicious civil war that had killed 1 in 4 males of military age, and not just to not trigger a guerilla uprising, but to snuff out secessionist sentiment for good.

    This approach succeeded beyond anybody’s wildest expectations: no better proof of that is shown than the fact that segregationists couched their arguments in the 1950s and 1960s on the basis that the South was *more* American than the rest of America, not something distinct and separate. From the perspective of national unity and social stability, it worked more than “reasonably well”. Of course, there was a dark side to the successful political cult: the price for all of this was born by black Americans for a century. So, if they were the ones by and large complaining about how we view the Civil War, that’d be understandable.

    But they aren’t: and why should they? Black America’s grievances in that sphere have long since been addressed: even the most conservative school districts in America give due attention to slavery, lynching, and Jim Crow. No, it’s largely bien-pensant liberals, mostly if not wholly white, who want to destroy everything and have nothing realistic to replace it with. As always. If their concern was really about de-legitimizing the “Lost Cause”, why not replace the statues with James Longstreet, probably the best tactician of the entire war and someone who fought-literally fought-for the rights of black Americans in the postwar South? They don’t suggest that: they want to crush people they despise under their heels, and as they get more radical, the number of people they despise grows.

    >“And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”

    Which is why we read about the amazing success of the implemented Morganthau Plan and the peaceful execution of Showa in the history textbooks, right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @nebulafox


    why not replace the statues with James Longstreet, probably the best tactician of the entire war and someone who fought-literally fought-for the rights of black Americans in the postwar South?
     
    Black power. He fought for black power in the South, not black “rights.”
  275. @Jack D
    @ConservaWhig

    Other than #1 and 3, how is this different than say Canada or Australia?

    #3 can be discounted in the sense that even removing blacks, US whites have a higher murder rate than other Western countries. Could it be that some of our "whites" are not really white?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig, @ConservaWhig, @128

    As the Trayvon Martin incident taught us, the US does indeed have “white Hispanics.”

    I don’t know enough about the Canadian and Australian justice systems to compare them to the US.

    Canada and Australia may technically have fewer residents per square mile than the US. But huge swathes of land in those countries (Outback, Arctic) are essentially uninhabitable.

    The composition of immigrants may, and likely does, differ in many ways between the three countries.

    The US definitely has a larger population, and percentage share, of non-whites than either Canada or Australia.

    I suspect that Canadians and Australians are better educated than Americans as well. Dummies probably murder, and get murdered, more often than smart people.

  276. @Jack D
    @ConservaWhig

    Other than #1 and 3, how is this different than say Canada or Australia?

    #3 can be discounted in the sense that even removing blacks, US whites have a higher murder rate than other Western countries. Could it be that some of our "whites" are not really white?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig, @ConservaWhig, @128

    As the Trayvon Martin incident taught us, the US does indeed have “white Hispanics.”

    I don’t know enough about the Canadian and Australian justice systems to compare them to the US.

    Canada and Australia may technically have fewer residents per square mile than the US. But huge swathes of land in those countries (Outback, Arctic) are essentially uninhabitable.

    The composition of immigrants may, and likely does, differ in many ways between the three countries.

    The US definitely has a larger population, and percentage share, of non-whites than either Canada or Australia.

    I suspect that Canadians and Australians are better educated than Americans as well. Dummies probably murder, and get murdered, more often than smart people.

  277. @ben Tillman

    At first I thought why counterfeit $1 dollar bills, totally useless. Usually the passers buy the $20 for $3-5 dollars and buy a $3-5 dollar item making $10 profit on each bill. It takes a lot of time running around to make $100. So I thought why $1 dollar bills they’re useless except for getting 70 cents change for a $2 dollar coffee or doughnut.

    The only way I can think of to use counterfeit $1s is for all those crooked immigrant convenience stores doughnut shops , dry cleaners , gas stations, private mail box shops, to use them in giving change to customers. Buy 100 for $20 and they’d make $80 profit by giving the counterfeit ones as change to customers.

    Immigrant business owners are such crooks One thing they do is set up a print shop , rent or buy with a small down payment several 300K copy machines and sell them for 50K cash then close up the shop. Many immigrants establish a new Limited liability company in Delaware every month

    Another thing is to buy something and when they’re sued it turns out it was uncle Farzhed who bought the goods and signed the contract to pay instead of the real owner Reza

    As a group, Hispanics are the only honest small businessmen. All the others, from the blondest Russian to the darkest mulatto Arab are crooks. I

    • Agree: Neoconned
  278. @anon
    @Hibernian


    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group.
     
    No, they aren't.

    The Scotch are a real ethnic group, ditto the Irish.

    You're correct on the "Scotch-Irish" provenance, although I'd add that the Ulstermen in question were only recent descendants of those transplants, the transplanting starting, at the earliest, in the early 1600's, and ramping up a few decades later.

    I don't understand why a group of people who were ethnically English as much as Scottish, and certainly more than they were Irish, are referred to as "Scotch-Irish" hundreds of years later. Most of them have spent far more time in America than they ever did in Ireland. At this point, aren't they just Americans?

    I suspect "Scotch-Irish" and variants are academic creations that have gained currency due to fashionable anti-Anglo racism; and also, apparently, the only thing less fashionable than being English is being American, and even white hillbillies wish to have a more exotic ethnic identity. "Scotch-Irish" - or, even gayer, "Scots-Irish" - is the only straw they can clutch.

    Perhaps I will be told that of course they're American, but Americans come in many flavours. But so does everyone else. My question: if you can't claim to be ethnically American after 400 years, when can you?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon

    Few if any nations exist that are entirely ethnically homogenous. If that is a requirement for nationhood, there aren’t many, or perhaps any, real nations, and there never have been.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hibernian

    So, not only can't Americans consider themselves American, but the French can't consider themselves French?

    Then why can the "Scotch-Irish" call themselves Scotch-Irish? Surely the atom of Scotch identity can be split to reveal the quark of "Lowlands Scotch" or whatever.

    Without wishing to get into an internet slapfight, I'll inquire whether you aren't moving the goalposts a little there. My question was at what point does "American" become an ethnicity in its own right? The distinction between ethnicity and nationality is not really at issue, I don't think. No one has trouble accepting "French" or "Italian" as an ethnicity as well as a nationality, and yet doubtless if we broke out the calipers and surveyed those populations we would find sufficient genetic variation to call them, by some definition, ethnically heterogenous. And so what? Ethnicity is as much a cultural category as a biological one. Culturally, Americans are resistant to the notion of an American ethnicity, is my point; and where an exotic alternative is not available, they are willing to invent it, as in "Scotch-Irish". (Possibly related: Latinx.) But this is absurd. America is much older than Germany, and yet we don't speak of ethnic Prussians anymore. (But perhaps they do in Germany.)

    It just seems sad that even the most patriotic Americans don't want to think of themselves as having American blood.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  279. @ben tillman
    @res

    No, just going by my Facebook feed. Occasionally, when others talk about events producing insanity on Facebook, I check, and I never see anything. Today was wildly different.

    Buit at least Trump will get a million extra votes from Mexicans.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    If Trump wants to gain the vote of more Mexicans-and really, more from everybody-he should fire Mnuchin and Kushner now, state how sorry he was to the public for ever appointing them, and immediately go full on populist. Probably too late for that, but you never know until you try.

    Then he’d openly praise the Latin Kings for defending their neighborhoods from looters, unlike another party that apologizes for them, and places the concerns of spoiled upper-middle class gutter radicals over their businesses and families beneath all the rhetoric about tolerance. Refuge in audacity.

  280. @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe


    MEH, Thank you and I too am “so fucking tired”, a dibilitating case of negro fatique. I am so willing to empty the treasury if you just say, “Ok, we good now.” I will go back to work and donate my earnings to my grand childrens’ future, if you just say ….”ok, we even now.”
     
    BJ, think happy thoughts man. Don't let it get the best of you. Like that time back in '73 when Ernie DiGregorio gave you 50 cents to wash his Cadillac outside of the Memorial.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Truth, Ernie actually, at 5′-6″, looked up to me. And in ’73 I was five years out of college and buying my first house. Things were good. Thanks for the comment.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe

    Oh that's right.

    It was Cookie Gilchrist who gave you the half dollar.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joseph; next time it might be you...

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh58eLtNIITjnGZVx5

  281. @J.Ross
    The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes, but this is objectively a bigger story. The case against hydroxychloroquine with zinc was faked, lazily, to enable the lockdown and remdesivir. It wasn't just reflexive Orange Man Bad, there are plain criminal motives and actions here. This could be connected to the memory holed but deeply bizarre event in Canada where a Jewish billionaire drug manufacturer and his wife were murdered (guess what one of their drugs was).
    A Dutch anon summarized:

    Study that debunked HCQ got debunked by 3 of its own authors.

    The 4th turns out to be a scam artist using a shell company and a pornstar as one of his fake workers.

    A medicine that could've prevented the lockdown has been withheld from the public by any means necessary.
     
    I was talking about HCQ before Trump was, even before the lockdown, as a result of access to alternative media and French anons translating the discussions of their epidemiologist Raoult, who suggested HCQ right away given success using it for a previous and similar virus. Imagine if people like Fauci and various governors were following this part of the story, instead of getting their information about HCQ from a fraud and a porn star pretending to be a medical think tank.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    Thanks.

  282. @J1234
    @John Achterhof


    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    It depends on how historically inclusive you want to be for that statement to have context. He doesn't say what countries made up the world's other six major industrial nations in 2002, but I'm presuming that the majority are/were European. If you include Napoleonic and world wars, Europe has been a fairly deadly place to live over the last two centuries. If you don't include wars, it's been fairly safe.

    There's no for me way to prove this, but I'd say that up until the great demographic shift in Europe over the last half century, non-war violence in Europe was relatively low because of the general Western tendency towards order. But when there's a war over there all hell breaks loose.

    Back in the '90's a Brit artist living America was lecturing me on how dangerous the US was compared to the UK. I mentioned the troubles in Northern Ireland, and his head sort of cocked as if it hadn't occurred to him to include things like that into the comparison.

    I'm guessing the cultural influence of the American War of Independence has given the US a higher tolerance for disorder (political and otherwise) and a lower tolerance for authority, as did the the founding of our country on the decentralized political concept of states. Both of those things could contribute to a greater disregard for the law, and therefore result in higher rates of violent crime.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Charlotte

    >The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations.<

    Did you include the "hispanics" with the whites? This is bs.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @newrouter

    That's a good question. I don't know if Wilson did or not. I remember hearing Ann Coulter (a few years ago) cite a source that claimed the murder rate within the white population of the US was more or less the same as many countries in Europe, but I don't know where she got that information.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Simon

  283. @Truth
    @syonredux


    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:
     
    Well now, if the stats for "white offenders" are inflated because they are conflated with Hispanics, then so must be the stats for "white victims" isn't that right, Richard Freyman?

    Bro, let's call a truce. Get back to doing what you do well, put up a few pictures of beautiful "chicks" and I promise to honor a moratorium on the truth about this from now until the end of June. Make your boys happy.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @bomag

    Hold up, even if we accept your premise about lumping Hispanics in or not in with whites, blacks still commit more violent crimes than whites, and at a higher rate, and at a much higher rate vs non-blacks (as opposed to whites committing tons of crimes vs blacks). You have a problem with that?

    Bottom line: you still lose that debate.

    And Katharine hasn’t posted smutty pictures in ages, likely ’cause its not gonna happen for a long while. Forget him ever posting a pic of Christie Brinkley, for instance. The closest thing to a perfect ten in the entire 20th century.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Forget him ever posting a pic of Christie Brinkley, for instance. The closest thing to a perfect ten in the entire 20th century.
     
    How about a perfect 2... Swinging!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzG9awLt3E4


    (Hey Syondy I didn't break out covenant, you didn't respond in time).
  284. @sayless
    @Buffalo Joe

    DeBlasio will throw the police under the bus every time. On Tuesday, a police union official said, "We are losing the city."

    Today Barr announced that the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force is going to go to work on Antifa and the others, along with the riot control people from the Bureau of Prisons, ATF, the U.S. Marshals, and two or three other agencies I can't recall, to arrest the instigators and coordinators of the violence and arson.

    Trump did another bait and switch. The leftists were salivating for him to send the military into the cities. I think Esper's comments at his presser yesterday were simply set decoration.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    sayless, there is a slow rising current of disgust in NYS with senseless violence and destruction across the state. Cuomo almost sent the National guard to NYC but something changed his mind. Maybe the DNC with an offer of a Supreme Court Appointment, VP, who knows, but he folded. All the big cities in NY are democrat strongholds, but when you see the economy wrecked and the cities burned you start to look for accountability and there is none. I spoke with an old parishioner the other day when I stopped by to say a prayer at our serviceless church. She said the lockdown was a way to destroy religion. She wasn’t wearing a tin foil hat and I was suprised that she walked over to share her thoughts. A rule to ban church services, a rule to end classes at school, a rule to keep people apart and today when I checked in at San Francisco Chronicle online(SF Gate) there is no comment section. So much to think about.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe


    She said the lockdown was a way to destroy religion.
     
    Just the Christian ones.

    They know full well the Christians won't fight back.
  285. @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, Ernie actually, at 5'-6", looked up to me. And in '73 I was five years out of college and buying my first house. Things were good. Thanks for the comment.

    Replies: @Truth, @Truth

    Oh that’s right.

    It was Cookie Gilchrist who gave you the half dollar.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, when was the last time you saw a half dollar? Do they still mint them? And Cookie was a real piece of work who shunned the Bills for years.

  286. @Rob Lee
    Steve,

    OT but you might want to take a gander at Kirsten Powers' new column in USA Today entitled "America's overdue reckoning with white supremacy: 'We have allowed evil to flourish'.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/06/04/george-floyd-white-supremacy-reparations-column/3135256001/

    It is quite literally the most supplicating, obsequious, suffocating piece of self-abasement that I've read this week, and that's significant.

    Yes, it’s a scary and chaotic historical moment, but, in the end, this might be what it takes for white people to finally face up to our failure to eradicate the white supremacy that infects our society. As my friend and anti-racism educator Lisa Sharon Harper says, “The only course of action for white people now is repentance and repair.”

    I’ll start: I repent for my lack of action. I repent for my lack of urgency. I repent for not listening more. I repent for lacking humility. If the religious language of repentance alienates you, then just try saying, “I’m sorry.”

    I urge all white people to really search their conscience and take responsibility for how they have benefited from not challenging white supremacy.

    Because we have all benefited.

     

    It's oh so cringeworthy...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Rob, racism is forever, but White Supremcy only started with Trump’s election and there are so many thing we already have to be sorry for or ashamed off. They have to slow down a bit.

  287. @Bardon Kaldian
    https://www.amren.com/news/2019/11/black-on-white-crime-racism-murder-rape/

    On the evening of February 20, 1990, Robert Simon and Anthony Carr — both black — were burgling Carl Parker’s house in Lambert, in Mississippi’s Quitman County. Mr. Parker, along with three other family members — all white — arrived home to find a pickup truck loaded with loot just about to drive off. The surprised thieves held the Parker family at gun point and tied up Mr. Parker’s 12-year-old half-brother Greg and then shot him in the back. They raped and sodomized his nine-year-old half-sister Charlotte Jo before they killed her. They shot his stepmother, Bobbie Jo in the chest, and they also killed Carl Parker himself. They cut off his ring finger to get his wedding band — whether before or after they killed him is not known. Then they dragged the four bodies into Mr. Parker’s house and burned it down over them. [Allen Breed, Price of Justice Makes Poor County Even Poorer, Detroit News, March 21, 1999, p. 19A.
    .................................
    In 1992, six black marines at Camp LeJeune, South Carolina, got drunk in a barracks, worked themselves into a frenzy over “racism,” and decided to do something about it. “We are going to get us a white boy tonight,” Kenneth Parker reportedly said. They went out with a shotgun and found a white marine, Rodney Page, and explained what they intended to do. As Mr. Page begged for his life, they shot him to death in the presence of his pregnant wife. [AP. Marines angry about racism, defendant testifies, Raleigh News & Observer, Feb. 3, 1993.
    ................................................................

    In 1992, 25-year-old black Scott Johnson abducted a 35-year-old white woman and her three-year-old daughter at a shopping mall. He left the child in a rural area, where she wandered along for eight hours. He raped the woman and then killed her, stabbing her 40 times.

    When Johnson was finally brought to justice in 1995, the victim’s husband was disappointed that the killer was not sentenced to death. “Justice is not being served until that animal is dead,” he told the court. Mr. Johnson shot back with “You better stop calling me an animal, motherf*****.” The husband beckoned to Johnson and shouted “Come on,” but bailiffs prevented a fight. At one point, the victim’s sister screamed “Why, why did you have to kill her?” Mr. Johnson smirked. As he was led from the courtroom, members of the victim’s family shouted “Animal, animal, animal.” [Jennifer Havilah, Mockery of Justice, NY Post, May 9, 1995, p. 9

    ................................................................................

    In April, 1993, five Brooklyn “youths” found a white woman jogging alone on the Coney Island boardwalk. They dragged her under the boardwalk, where they took turns raping, sodomizing, punching, and kicking her. The crime, committed against a recent immigrant to the United States, caused a stir at the time. In May of 1995, the “youths” were given plea-bargained sentences that ranged from four-to-ten years to seven-to-21 years. They showed utterly no remorse, and laughed and joked as their lawyers spoke with the judge. One convict’s mother then claimed her son got a harsh sentence because he was black. “When did you ever hear of anyone getting 20 years for rape?” she wanted to know. A father ranted about blacks being persecuted by a white criminal justice system. [Andrea Peyser, Why Coney Island Thugs will laugh all the way to prison, NY Post, 5/9/95, p. 8.
    .....................................................................
    In September of 1994, an 11-year-old black boy in Chicago was arrested for killing an 84-year-old white woman. The boy claimed he hated Anna Gilvis, his next-door neighbor, because she frequently called him “nigger.” One day he sneaked into Mrs. Gilvis’ home but she beat him with a cane and ordered him to leave. He wrestled the cane away from her and beat her with it as she crawled into the bathroom. He bound her with twine from plants in the living room but since she would not stop screaming, he cut her throat with a kitchen knife. [Scott Fornek, Cop: boy killed out of hate, Chi Sun Times, 9/7/94, p. 3. First reported by American Renaissance in November 1994.] In December of that year, the boy (whose name cannot be released because of his tender years) was convicted of first-degree murder, put on probation, and released to the custody of his grandmother. Although a new law that took effect in January of 1995 would have provided for the boy to be put in a locked juvenile home, his sentencing took place in December of 1994. The judge had only the option of sending him to a mental institution, but experts found the lad entirely sane. [Courtenay Edelhart & Susan Kuczka, His hands tied, judge lets 11-year-old killer go free, Chi Trib, Dec. 9, 1994, p. 1
    ..........................................
    In 1997, a 35-year-old black American, Steve Thomas, was put on trial in Finland for going on a sex spree after learning that he had the AIDS virus. Mr. Thomas, who was married to a Finnish woman with whom he had two children, reportedly had sex with over 100 women over the course of a few years. Dozens of them were infected. Mr. Thomas worked as a doorman at bars and nightclubs, where women are said to have found him appealingly exotic. In 1990, a Helsinki court sentenced a Ugandan man to 11½ years in prison for deliberately infecting women with AIDS. [N.Y. Rapper Accused in HIV Murder-trial in Finland, New York Daily News, April 18, 1997. Devlin Barrett, HIV+ New York Lover on Trial in Finland, New York Post, April 18, 1997, p. 3
    ......................................

    Chante Mallard is a black, 25-year-old nurse’s assistant. On October 26, 2001, she crashed her car into a white pedestrian, who ended up stuck in the windshield with half his body hanging into the passenger side of the car. Miss Mallard reportedly drove to her Ft. Worth, Texas, home, parked in her garage, went into the house, and had sex with her boyfriend. The two then came out to the garage to have a look at Greg Biggs, who was still alive and stuck in the car. Miss Mallard kept the car in the garage for 48 hours, during which time she came out several times to talk to the man, who begged for help. She did nothing for him, and the man, who was homeless and suffered from mental problems, bled to death.

    Miss Mallard then got her boyfriend and several friends to help her dislodge Mr. Biggs’ body and dump it in a park. Police found the body soon after, and concluded it must have been a hit-and-run case, but had no leads. Several months afterwards, Miss Mallard explained to a group of people why she was no longer driving. “I hit this white man,” she explained, and giggled. On February 25 someone who heard her say this reported it to the police. Officers found Miss Mallard’s car still in her garage, with the windshield and front seats removed, but with Mr. Biggs’ blood and hair still on it. Miss Mallard said she had burned the seats to get rid of the evidence, and planned to burn the car and buy a new one when her tax refund check arrived.

    Miss Mallard was charged with murder, and was at first held on $10,000 bail at home with an electronic monitor, but prosecutors had bail raised to $250,000 to keep her in jail. Her lawyer says she is not a monster but a confused woman who was drunk and using Ecstacy when she hit Mr. Biggs, and didn’t know what she was doing. [Judge Raises Bail of Hit-Run Suspect to $250,000, AP, March 9, 2002.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Funny thing, I don’t recall reading about whites as a collective racial group going out and protesting (whether for a single day or a single week) over the brutality of black on white murders. When did the white protests occur during these years as a way to raise public awareness on black on white crime?

    When did the protests happen? Anyone? Certainly seems as though these kinds of crimes cancel out what happened to George Floyd.

  288. @Whiskey
    @TomSchmidt

    Our current culture does benefit women greatly. They get the baby daddy lifestyle like a Kardashian they all crave. It screws over average White dudes but we are a powerless and unimportant group that does not matter.

    White Women love this stuff. Look at all of them all over the globe calling for the abolition of White men so they can have their very own rapper.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    So long as they can hold that rapper’s interest. Beyond 35, no. It’s an unpaired and unbounded lonely existence. Men can live that life, because a lot do. You have 100 male explorers for every Amelia Earhart going off on her own. Women do not care for solitude, but the current setup brings a lot of it to them past 40.

  289. Anonymous[968] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Most white Americans are negro loving cucks, most can't understand why the blacks are rioting because most of them are perfectly to miscegenate with Negros. Trump won't win re-election because the negros have made it clear they don't want Trump, and what Negros want, Negros get. Most white Americans would gladly vote Democrat if it means the possibility of better relations with Negros.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right? But something told me no, and I didn’t.

    Negroes are a different species. The State of Virginia was right to ban interracial marriage.

    I was reading Carleton Putnam again and he has been utterly vindicated by time. I hope that he realized that before he died.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anonymous


    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right?
     
    But they did Faggyt stuff too...

    Uh... Oh... Wait Old Sport, my bad...

    Replies: @Anonymous

  290. @J1234
    @John Achterhof


    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    It depends on how historically inclusive you want to be for that statement to have context. He doesn't say what countries made up the world's other six major industrial nations in 2002, but I'm presuming that the majority are/were European. If you include Napoleonic and world wars, Europe has been a fairly deadly place to live over the last two centuries. If you don't include wars, it's been fairly safe.

    There's no for me way to prove this, but I'd say that up until the great demographic shift in Europe over the last half century, non-war violence in Europe was relatively low because of the general Western tendency towards order. But when there's a war over there all hell breaks loose.

    Back in the '90's a Brit artist living America was lecturing me on how dangerous the US was compared to the UK. I mentioned the troubles in Northern Ireland, and his head sort of cocked as if it hadn't occurred to him to include things like that into the comparison.

    I'm guessing the cultural influence of the American War of Independence has given the US a higher tolerance for disorder (political and otherwise) and a lower tolerance for authority, as did the the founding of our country on the decentralized political concept of states. Both of those things could contribute to a greater disregard for the law, and therefore result in higher rates of violent crime.

    Replies: @newrouter, @Charlotte

    Much of America’s history was characterized by the existence of vast tracts of land with little settlement or law enforcement. I believe that had a significant impact on the national attitude towards violence as well. It’s still there, to a degree, in the mindset of rural westerners, and rooted in reality: if you live a goodly distance from the nearest law enforcement, they won’t be there to save you if you need saving. They’ll just investigate the crime.

  291. Anonymous[968] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tattooed love boy.

    https://youtu.be/CF_kUB_mdmA

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Big LMM in her glory days. The kid looks a lot like her now.

    At 68, her face is pretty shot but she still fits her old clothes and her voice is still there.

  292. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes, but this is objectively a bigger story. The case against hydroxychloroquine with zinc was faked, lazily, to enable the lockdown and remdesivir. It wasn't just reflexive Orange Man Bad, there are plain criminal motives and actions here. This could be connected to the memory holed but deeply bizarre event in Canada where a Jewish billionaire drug manufacturer and his wife were murdered (guess what one of their drugs was).
    A Dutch anon summarized:

    Study that debunked HCQ got debunked by 3 of its own authors.

    The 4th turns out to be a scam artist using a shell company and a pornstar as one of his fake workers.

    A medicine that could've prevented the lockdown has been withheld from the public by any means necessary.
     
    I was talking about HCQ before Trump was, even before the lockdown, as a result of access to alternative media and French anons translating the discussions of their epidemiologist Raoult, who suggested HCQ right away given success using it for a previous and similar virus. Imagine if people like Fauci and various governors were following this part of the story, instead of getting their information about HCQ from a fraud and a porn star pretending to be a medical think tank.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes…

    How dare you refer to a smashing Republican election victory as a “dangerous policy change”?

    If this year’s election prospects weren’t looking very good for the GOP, they suddenly got infinitely better with the start of the riots. 5,000 commercials could be made with the footage so far, none of it good for the Democrats.

    I am almost tempted to wish that Trump would let the riots continue for as long as local officials refuse to do anything to stop them, but whatever other handicaps Trump may have, his political instincts (not to mention Forrest Gump-levels of luck) seem to be far better than mine.

    We should also remember that this is a census year. Doing well in state elections this year will help with redistricting. Anger could be even more intense at the local level than the national one, and that could mean more GOP control of the statehouses and yet another decade with political boundaries drawn in our favor.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    I WANT TO BELIEVE
    [hazy picture of what might be a wall, or maybe a deportation, or perhaps it's the prosecution of a leftist terrorist or a high level bureaucrat, not really sure ...]

  293. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Harry Baldwin

    The civic mythology about the Civil War that was so normative in the United States for a century after the war, the one that praised both Lincoln and Lee as heroes and gave Northern and Southern schoolchildren points of common identification, served a totally un-romantic purpose: to reintegrate the South after a vicious civil war that had killed 1 in 4 males of military age, and not just to not trigger a guerilla uprising, but to snuff out secessionist sentiment for good.

    This approach succeeded beyond anybody's wildest expectations: no better proof of that is shown than the fact that segregationists couched their arguments in the 1950s and 1960s on the basis that the South was *more* American than the rest of America, not something distinct and separate. From the perspective of national unity and social stability, it worked more than "reasonably well". Of course, there was a dark side to the successful political cult: the price for all of this was born by black Americans for a century. So, if they were the ones by and large complaining about how we view the Civil War, that'd be understandable.

    But they aren't: and why should they? Black America's grievances in that sphere have long since been addressed: even the most conservative school districts in America give due attention to slavery, lynching, and Jim Crow. No, it's largely bien-pensant liberals, mostly if not wholly white, who want to destroy everything and have nothing realistic to replace it with. As always. If their concern was really about de-legitimizing the "Lost Cause", why not replace the statues with James Longstreet, probably the best tactician of the entire war and someone who fought-literally fought-for the rights of black Americans in the postwar South? They don't suggest that: they want to crush people they despise under their heels, and as they get more radical, the number of people they despise grows.

    >“And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.”

    Which is why we read about the amazing success of the implemented Morganthau Plan and the peaceful execution of Showa in the history textbooks, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    why not replace the statues with James Longstreet, probably the best tactician of the entire war and someone who fought-literally fought-for the rights of black Americans in the postwar South?

    Black power. He fought for black power in the South, not black “rights.”

  294. @R.G. Camara
    I've been thinking that the whole laughable Reparations movement could be turned into a Repatriation movement and rid us of the Negro problem.

    1. Offer a large lifetime monthly payment of reparation to any black who can prove any descent from slaves----on the caveat that said blacks must renounce U.S. citizenship and move and accept citizenship in another nation. Parents must renounce the citizenship of underage children and take them as well---and each child gets the same monthly lifetime payment.

    2. Contract with West African and majority-black nations to accept these American blacks and grant them citizenship. Bribe them as much as possible.

    3. Have U.S. paid contractors go in and build brand-new, luxury housing in the foreign-contracted nations for the American blacks. Each unit would be gifted to any American black who takes the deal, in addition to the large monthly "repatriation" payment.

    4. Pass a constitutional amendment that any children of people who renounce their citizenship shall not be American citizens, whether natural born or otherwise, and if a parent renounces on behalf of the child, the child's children shall also not be American citizens. And, in addition, if a person whose citizenship was renounced tries to get citizenship again, their citizenship shall be denied.

    5. Pay American black leaders generous amounts (bribes) to tout these places as a paradise for blacks. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. all get double or triple the payment and the biggest pads, but they must renounce publcly and on television to encourage other blacks.

    6. Run commercials and pay rappers to extol the virtues of leaving.

    7. Pay American corporations to open Nike shops, jewelry shops, gaudy clothing shops in the foreign-contracted nations right in the complexes built for American blacks. Highlight them in commercials.

    This is nothing more than repatriating a foreign people who cannot abide by the norms of our society and are hear in too large a number at this point to deal with any other way.

    The foreign nations will see a huge rise in their fortunes thanks to all the wealthy blacks moving in and spending their "repatriation" money. American blacks will suddenly become a wealthy upper class "in their own homeland." And America will be rid of the vast majority---if not 90% or more---of the blacks who find it so hard to be here.

    It makes too much sense, which is why it won't be done.

    Replies: @Truth

    …Or you could just move to Vladivostok.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Truth

    lol. A group of people comprising 13% of the population (an actual minority) who constantly whine about slavery here and being FORCED to come here and demanding reparations for being in a "White supremacist" country.....

    and you're comparing them to whites.

    Seriously, doesn't Mr. Brock have any quality control where you work, baby?

  295. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Altai

    In meatspace we call these NPCs.

    Replies: @Lurker

    NPCs AKA useful idiots AKA members of the Outer Party.

  296. @peterike
    Oh speaking of what do Antifa look like....

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpg8qMHk/8-EA52-D98-20-EE-4805-9836-CD111217-D09-D.jpg

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Corn, @Lurker

    Gotta to admit . . . I’m not really looking forward to this Brady Bunch remake.

  297. @Corn
    @peterike

    Does looking at antifa mugshots depress anyone else?

    We’re losing the culture war to these people!

    Replies: @Lurker

    They are not winning, they’re merely the zombie foot soldiers for the other side, the side that is winning. Really they’re just more victims. They just don’t realise it at the moment.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Lurker

    Serious question. Everyone says Soros is backing Antifa. That's totally plausible. But is there any concrete evidence?

  298. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Hibernian


    The Scotch Irish are a real ethnic group.
     
    No, they aren't.

    The Scotch are a real ethnic group, ditto the Irish.

    You're correct on the "Scotch-Irish" provenance, although I'd add that the Ulstermen in question were only recent descendants of those transplants, the transplanting starting, at the earliest, in the early 1600's, and ramping up a few decades later.

    I don't understand why a group of people who were ethnically English as much as Scottish, and certainly more than they were Irish, are referred to as "Scotch-Irish" hundreds of years later. Most of them have spent far more time in America than they ever did in Ireland. At this point, aren't they just Americans?

    I suspect "Scotch-Irish" and variants are academic creations that have gained currency due to fashionable anti-Anglo racism; and also, apparently, the only thing less fashionable than being English is being American, and even white hillbillies wish to have a more exotic ethnic identity. "Scotch-Irish" - or, even gayer, "Scots-Irish" - is the only straw they can clutch.

    Perhaps I will be told that of course they're American, but Americans come in many flavours. But so does everyone else. My question: if you can't claim to be ethnically American after 400 years, when can you?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon

    I’m surprised no one on Unz seems to know the basic facts about the Scotch Irish.
    These people lived on the borderlands of England and Scotland, a shifting and often lawless border, subject to numerous wars, in the centuries leading up to the colonization of America.
    These borderlanders were both Scottish and English. They were a classic “honor” society of herders who had to be violent to protect their own.
    They came to America in large numbers in the 17th and 18th centuries, departing from Northern Ireland (where they picked up the name “Scotch Irish”).
    They settled in the Appalachians and their culture spread through the upper South, where they found lawless conditions similar to their homelands and continued their free life even into the twentieth century.
    You know them as hillbillies and rednecks. You can see them on TV at NASCAR races.
    If any white people in America still have a sense of place, family, tradition, and tribal pride, they are it.

  299. @al-Gharaniq

    Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men. This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.
     
    I had been wondering about this earlier, and even with this, I still find it strange that historical accounts are lacking (or just not being investigated).

    One reliable source I could think of are pre-Civil War plantation records. What were the rates of black-on-black violence under conditions of slavery? Surely, slave-owners would have kept good records since losing a slave to violence would be a big deal (it would really be two slaves, since the murderer would also be killed). Slave plantations should have been hotbeds for intra-racial violence, given their similarity to modern day ghettos (lots of black people living together, some—but not constant—law presence, etc.).

    Has anyone ever studied the plantation violence rates in-depth? It just seems odd that African-American violence and crime rates have sky-rocketed since, what, the 60s? Even if they were higher than average before, this seems like an exponential increase.

    Replies: @Charlotte

    There’s at least one book on the topic, Slave Against Slave: Plantation Violence in the Old South by Jeff Forret. I haven’t read it.

  300. @newrouter
    @J1234

    >The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations.<

    Did you include the "hispanics" with the whites? This is bs.

    Replies: @J1234

    That’s a good question. I don’t know if Wilson did or not. I remember hearing Ann Coulter (a few years ago) cite a source that claimed the murder rate within the white population of the US was more or less the same as many countries in Europe, but I don’t know where she got that information.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J1234

    The state I live in, Utah, has 3.2 million people. In 2018 there were 60 murders in the state. Utah is only 1% black.

    I looked at the list of the most murderous cities in the US in 2019 for a city with a similar number of murders. I came to Jackson, Mississippi, which had 60 murders in 2019. It's population? 160,000. 79.4% black.

    That means that Jackson had a murder rate 20x higher than Utah. Jackson was only the 14th most murderous US city that year, and there were quite a few states with lower murder rates than Utah.

    , @Simon
    @J1234

    Confirming that memory (however vague), I remember reading, in the early '90s, an assertion, by a seemingly reliable source, that if one eliminated black-on-black homicide, America's homicide rate approximated that of Luxembourg.

    It sticks in my mind, of course, because of the weirdness of that specific comparison.

  301. @Truth
    @R.G. Camara

    ...Or you could just move to Vladivostok.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. A group of people comprising 13% of the population (an actual minority) who constantly whine about slavery here and being FORCED to come here and demanding reparations for being in a “White supremacist” country…..

    and you’re comparing them to whites.

    Seriously, doesn’t Mr. Brock have any quality control where you work, baby?

  302. @ Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Hoping that white people will get riled up over black crime is low IQ, when so few of them will ever fall victim to it. In a given year black murderers account for < 1% of white deaths in America. In 2015, for example, blacks killed 500 whites out of a population of 243,000,000, a figure that includes not only hate crimes but drug dealings, domestic violence and the like.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race

    Black outrage persists only because a large percentage of blacks feel the effects of systematic racism. It's not hard to understand, although you’re free to pretend otherwise.

  303. @Bucky
    @Pincher Martin

    I've always been skeptical of such numbers. How did they get them?

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Thomas Sowell covers the full range of data in one of his books.

    Sowell began making these arguments in the nineteen-seventies when debating liberals who he felt were making up the root causes of black backwardness with pseudo-historical facts, one of which was that slavery broke the black family irrevocably.

  304. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Truth

    Hold up, even if we accept your premise about lumping Hispanics in or not in with whites, blacks still commit more violent crimes than whites, and at a higher rate, and at a much higher rate vs non-blacks (as opposed to whites committing tons of crimes vs blacks). You have a problem with that?

    Bottom line: you still lose that debate.

    And Katharine hasn't posted smutty pictures in ages, likely 'cause its not gonna happen for a long while. Forget him ever posting a pic of Christie Brinkley, for instance. The closest thing to a perfect ten in the entire 20th century.

    Replies: @Truth

    Forget him ever posting a pic of Christie Brinkley, for instance. The closest thing to a perfect ten in the entire 20th century.

    How about a perfect 2… Swinging!

    (Hey Syondy I didn’t break out covenant, you didn’t respond in time).

  305. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right? But something told me no, and I didn’t.

    Negroes are a different species. The State of Virginia was right to ban interracial marriage.

    I was reading Carleton Putnam again and he has been utterly vindicated by time. I hope that he realized that before he died.

    Replies: @Truth

    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right?

    But they did Faggyt stuff too…

    Uh… Oh… Wait Old Sport, my bad…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Truth

    They did. As did Townsend, at least one of the Davieses, and several others. I did not.

    They are great performers and musicians. Not moral exemplars.

    I did have sex with a somewhat big at one time country singer who was said to have had a dalliance with a British hard rock guitarist. Not someone that critics for the trendy or hip magazines would fawn over- one of the pudding faced old headbanger bands from industrial north England. I think like most of them who could, when the working class louts were run out by the immigrants he moved to LA and has lived there for decades.

    When I chanced to meet her twenty-odd years later she was quite friendly and seemed to remember me favorably.

    Replies: @Truth

  306. @nsa
    @Pincher Martin

    "Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a report about the black family in the mid-sixties"
    Having studied the race problem deeply for several years, Moynihan came to the conclusion that there was no readily available solution and famously stated "it would benefit from a period of benign neglect". The "benign neglect" quote made Moynihan the most hated intellectual in America, until Hernstein and Murray (The Bell Curve) came along in 1994.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Yes, I generally agree with your main point, but Moynihan’s comment about “benign neglect” came years after he wrote the report when he was working in the Nixon administration.

  307. @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations' trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Americans and Germans for the most part trust their institutions and are proud of them, see them as part of their national identity in fact. In contrast I've never heard an Italian have a good word to say about their authorities and institutions, they have little faith in their state/institutions to protect them hence low trust society. The assumption in Italy seems to be that any public official, or frankly any unknown person, is corrupt and dishonest until proven otherwise.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Znzn, @128

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations’ trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Actually, it’s more about trust between fellow citizens, although that could manifest itself in the ways you mention.

    Francis Fukuyama wrote a book on the subject called, appropriately, Trust: Social Virtues and the Creation of Prosperity. One of the most interesting features of that book is the argument that only societies with high trust can easily create large modern corporations.

    The Americans, Germans, and Japanese are all examples. Because their citizens have high levels of trust, they can reach out beyond family and clan to build large corporate brands that last.

    The Italians and Chinese have much smaller family-based firms that are highly successful and often create marvelous products (especially the Italians), but limited in their growth upside because of the low levels of trust that exist outside the family in those cultures.

    The South Koreas are the oddball because, as Fukuyama argues, the South Korean government essentially created large modern Korean corporations by fiat. Fukuyama argues that for societies with low trust, that might be the only way to build large corporations.

    And twenty years ago, Fukuyama argued that trust among Americans was declining.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Pincher Martin

    I will argue that Germans and Swedes are less corrupt than Japanese, but your ymmv.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  308. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The CEO of American Airlines on CNBC today was blubbering over his experience riding on Southwest down to Florida; he had a copy of "White Fragility" with him and a Flight Attendant of Color talked with him about it. So now whatever appeasement AAL is handing out to privileged people of color it will have to double.

    This really is a cult. The cult of color. White skin is now original sin and that sin cannot be expiated except through groveling, perpetual, endless groveling.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    It seems American Airlines (AAL) is in much bigger trouble than the markets have already priced in.

    Time to short AAL?

    Or is this a personal thing to make the AAL CEO himself look good to the HR ladies after an impending forced merger?

  309. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    The riots are historic in scale and seem likely to result in dangerous policy changes...

     

    How dare you refer to a smashing Republican election victory as a "dangerous policy change"?

    If this year's election prospects weren't looking very good for the GOP, they suddenly got infinitely better with the start of the riots. 5,000 commercials could be made with the footage so far, none of it good for the Democrats.

    I am almost tempted to wish that Trump would let the riots continue for as long as local officials refuse to do anything to stop them, but whatever other handicaps Trump may have, his political instincts (not to mention Forrest Gump-levels of luck) seem to be far better than mine.

    We should also remember that this is a census year. Doing well in state elections this year will help with redistricting. Anger could be even more intense at the local level than the national one, and that could mean more GOP control of the statehouses and yet another decade with political boundaries drawn in our favor.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I WANT TO BELIEVE
    [hazy picture of what might be a wall, or maybe a deportation, or perhaps it’s the prosecution of a leftist terrorist or a high level bureaucrat, not really sure …]

  310. @Marty
    @Buffalo Joe

    Speaking of construction, it’s amazing to me how few blacks you see doing this work. For the last 20 years or so, I’ve made it a point to notice the workers on large construction projects around the Bay Area such as the Berkeley campus, or the new Sutter hospital in SF. Since many of these are govt projects, you’d think AA would result in a representative sample of blacks, but not so, outside of a few black women holding “Slow” signs. Apparently there’s some kind of tacit agreement going on that when it comes to building, diversity = hispanic. Note that this is all “prevailing wage” work.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @rexl, @Buffalo Joe, @stillCARealist, @Hypnotoad666

    In Southern California, the building trades are about 80% Hispanic and 20% White. Not a black to be seen. Janitors, garbage men, housekeepers, car washers, and gardeners are 100% Hispanic. Whatever else you want to say about Hispanics, they are not afraid of hard physical work. They almost seem to relish it.

    I can’t think of any job that black males dominate. Except maybe security guard, a job that is 99% standing around. Black women seem to be overrepresnted in all government jobs. And, of course, corporate HR.

  311. @Lurker
    @Corn

    They are not winning, they're merely the zombie foot soldiers for the other side, the side that is winning. Really they're just more victims. They just don't realise it at the moment.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Serious question. Everyone says Soros is backing Antifa. That’s totally plausible. But is there any concrete evidence?

  312. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234
    @newrouter

    That's a good question. I don't know if Wilson did or not. I remember hearing Ann Coulter (a few years ago) cite a source that claimed the murder rate within the white population of the US was more or less the same as many countries in Europe, but I don't know where she got that information.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Simon

    The state I live in, Utah, has 3.2 million people. In 2018 there were 60 murders in the state. Utah is only 1% black.

    I looked at the list of the most murderous cities in the US in 2019 for a city with a similar number of murders. I came to Jackson, Mississippi, which had 60 murders in 2019. It’s population? 160,000. 79.4% black.

    That means that Jackson had a murder rate 20x higher than Utah. Jackson was only the 14th most murderous US city that year, and there were quite a few states with lower murder rates than Utah.

  313. @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous


    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations’ trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.
     
    Actually, it's more about trust between fellow citizens, although that could manifest itself in the ways you mention.

    Francis Fukuyama wrote a book on the subject called, appropriately, Trust: Social Virtues and the Creation of Prosperity. One of the most interesting features of that book is the argument that only societies with high trust can easily create large modern corporations.

    The Americans, Germans, and Japanese are all examples. Because their citizens have high levels of trust, they can reach out beyond family and clan to build large corporate brands that last.

    The Italians and Chinese have much smaller family-based firms that are highly successful and often create marvelous products (especially the Italians), but limited in their growth upside because of the low levels of trust that exist outside the family in those cultures.

    The South Koreas are the oddball because, as Fukuyama argues, the South Korean government essentially created large modern Korean corporations by fiat. Fukuyama argues that for societies with low trust, that might be the only way to build large corporations.

    And twenty years ago, Fukuyama argued that trust among Americans was declining.

    Replies: @Znzn

    I will argue that Germans and Swedes are less corrupt than Japanese, but your ymmv.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Znzn

    I don't disagree, especially if we are talking politics. But the Japanese also seem less likely than either the Swedes or Germans to destroy their own society by importing large numbers of foreigners of questionable utility.

    A high-trust society just allows for more frictionless relationships between strangers in that society. And frictionless means that the government doesn't have to mediate those relationships quite as often.

    Replies: @128

  314. Znzn says:
    @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations' trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Americans and Germans for the most part trust their institutions and are proud of them, see them as part of their national identity in fact. In contrast I've never heard an Italian have a good word to say about their authorities and institutions, they have little faith in their state/institutions to protect them hence low trust society. The assumption in Italy seems to be that any public official, or frankly any unknown person, is corrupt and dishonest until proven otherwise.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Znzn, @128

    The problem is that the people here are autists who only look at a single component, violent crime, rather than at things like financial crimes. I mean Italy and Portugal have very low homicide rates, like as low or lower than some East Asian countries, but have fairly corrupt governments, and are fairly low trust cultures.

  315. @Ian Smith
    I remember reading somewhere that white Americans were no more murderous than Canadians or W. Europeans. Wilson seems to be saying otherwise. Are American whites really that much worse than their racial brethren elsewhere?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are American whites really that much worse than their racial brethren elsewhere?

    Hispanics are white when perpetrators.

  316. @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin

    High trust/low trust societies seems to be largely the populations' trust in the authorities and the legal/administrative institutions.

    Americans and Germans for the most part trust their institutions and are proud of them, see them as part of their national identity in fact. In contrast I've never heard an Italian have a good word to say about their authorities and institutions, they have little faith in their state/institutions to protect them hence low trust society. The assumption in Italy seems to be that any public official, or frankly any unknown person, is corrupt and dishonest until proven otherwise.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Znzn, @128

    Korea is the wonder of the world where all of the previous presidents since 1990 have been imprisoned for corruption right? And how many Chinese officials were sentenced to death for corruption?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=china+scams

  317. @Jack D
    @ConservaWhig

    Other than #1 and 3, how is this different than say Canada or Australia?

    #3 can be discounted in the sense that even removing blacks, US whites have a higher murder rate than other Western countries. Could it be that some of our "whites" are not really white?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig, @ConservaWhig, @128

    Hey, I you are really afraid to be stabbed in the street go to Slovenia or something.

  318. @Deputy Absurd
    I'm wondering if the attempted murder rate in Europe for whites is nearer or at least close to the American white murder rate? If you attempt to kill someone with a gun you're more likely to succeed, but with a knife or baseball bat the intent is the same but end result is usually very different.
    Apparently some people when they stab someone and see the blood and shock on someone's face immediately regret what they do, similar to the way when someone knocks someone out in a fight they rarely will continue to pummel them while they're unconscious and often feel sympathy for the person even though they have an obvious conflict with their victim.

    Replies: @128

    Apparently White Americans are 10 times more murderous than Slovenians.

  319. @John Achterhof

    America is a violent nation. The estimated homicide rate in this country, excluding all those committed by blacks, is over three times higher than the homicide rate for the other six major industrial nations. But whatever causes white Americans to kill other people, it causes black Americans to kill others at a much higher rate.
     
    What is the cause of this overall character? Is it fundamentally because America was stocked in large part by misfits, persecuted or discontent within their home country for reasons of zealous religious belief or social status, that America is such a violent (rambunctious) first-world society?

    Replies: @Altai, @Joe Walker, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Jonathan Mason, @Elli, @theMann, @ConservaWhig, @syonredux, @Prester John, @J1234, @dr kill, @David Davenport, @JohnnyWalker123

    Americans generally aren’t violent people (except Blacks). The other posters here are giving you incorrect explanations.

    America’s homicide rate is high for 2 reasons.

    1. Lots of Blacks (13% of our population)
    2. Very easy access to guns

    If you look at the non-firearm homicide rate for White Americans, it’s comparable to the rates you find in other Anglosphere nations (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ).

    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.

    The raging drug epidemic might be inflating our homicide rate a bit too, as there’s a substantial black market for illegal narcotics (heroin, Oxycontin, etc).

    Culturally, violence is considered unacceptable in America. Most people are rather effete, preferring to settle their problems with discussion or maybe a law suit. However, with all the guns floating around, it’s easy to shoot someone if they make you angry.

    • Replies: @John Achterhof
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yeah, I haven't seen statistics on it but I suspect drug use (street drugs, alcohol, pharmaceuticals) is involved in a high percent of violence worldwide, and that a uniquely high percentage of Americans use drugs and turn violent in society or domestic life along the course of a drug problem.

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.
     
    Do suicide deaths count as homicides?
  320. @Znzn
    If anyone has been to mainland China you will know that it is a really low trust society. Most of the people here who keep on going on about Chinese IQ do not really know anything (not on the level of a native Chinese, they can not even speak Chinese), or if they can, they are basically white expats with a fetish for Asian women, or whitewashed banana American Chinese.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Altai, @Altai, @Pincher Martin, @vhrm, @JohnnyWalker123

    Can you elaborate on your experience in China?

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let us just say that when you make business dealings with Chinese people hire a good lawyer or be prepared to lose your shirt.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  321. @Truth
    @syonredux


    Data for 2013.Again, note that the White stats are inflated, as Anglo-Whites are lumped in with Hispanics:
     
    Well now, if the stats for "white offenders" are inflated because they are conflated with Hispanics, then so must be the stats for "white victims" isn't that right, Richard Freyman?

    Bro, let's call a truce. Get back to doing what you do well, put up a few pictures of beautiful "chicks" and I promise to honor a moratorium on the truth about this from now until the end of June. Make your boys happy.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @bomag

    Uhm, he said White stats are inflated, covering both sides of the equation.

    Math is not on your side.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @bomag

    Great. So black people murdered less than 409 whites... probably far less, in 2013, whereas white people murdered 2,509 of you. So what are you so afraid of?

    Replies: @bomag

  322. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Znzn

    Can you elaborate on your experience in China?

    Replies: @Znzn

    Let us just say that when you make business dealings with Chinese people hire a good lawyer or be prepared to lose your shirt.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Znzn

    Any interesting stories involving yourself and local Chinese businessmen?

  323. @Old and Grumpy
    What's wrong with a simple rule of law? As long as whites are going to turn themselves inside out to kiss up to the black man, they are going to push everything to the limit. Blacks may not be a race of rocket scientists, but they aren't a race of helpless infants either.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    As a rhetorical strategy to appeal to softlib normies and some leftists looking for an excuse to end the chaos, this is a good point. “It’s wrong to assume that enforcement of laws against vandalism and looting can’t be done just because a lot of black people are participating in the protests.”

    Of course, it seems like there are those in power that want chaos, to further cripple our economy and to facilitate the rise of China, to oust Trump, to destroy brick-and-mortar retail even more, and/or to implement the full end of white cultural power.

  324. @bomag
    @Truth

    Uhm, he said White stats are inflated, covering both sides of the equation.

    Math is not on your side.

    Replies: @Truth

    Great. So black people murdered less than 409 whites… probably far less, in 2013, whereas white people murdered 2,509 of you. So what are you so afraid of?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Truth

    Percentages, man, percentages.

    The 2,509 comes down by the same percentage as the 409.

    And considering the percentage of time Whites spend around Blacks, it scares me that we have that many homicides.

  325. @Znzn
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let us just say that when you make business dealings with Chinese people hire a good lawyer or be prepared to lose your shirt.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Any interesting stories involving yourself and local Chinese businessmen?

  326. @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, Ernie actually, at 5'-6", looked up to me. And in '73 I was five years out of college and buying my first house. Things were good. Thanks for the comment.

    Replies: @Truth, @Truth

  327. @Abe
    @Arclight


    Our society and speech is increasingly governed by a set of lies indistinguishable from religious belief.
     
    At some point we all will be put to the Inquisition. This is madness. I have gotten emails about Black Lives Matter from my bank, my megalo healthcare provider, my employer. We have gotten national- international!- riots over a single policing incident hyped by megalo-corp media properties staffed by insipid, mentally-failure-to-launch twerps desperate to get their TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD LARP on.

    Turns out that the neck-stomp is a standard, internationally-approved police hold? Whoops, now you tell us! Turns out Floyd died at least partly of a heart attack, not strangulation, thanks to the cocktail of drugs in his system? Don’t let facts get in the way of optics!

    There is now a very good chance the officer will be acquitted given the overreach of the 2nd-degree murder charge- at least if the jury has any integrity, though the media & our great-and-good virtue signaling elite has almost ensured it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. Societal-wide reparations are now being discussed when there is no certainty there was even a crime.

    Rage, recourse to fact & logic, sarcasm, do not seem like winning strategies to me. An appeal for tolerance- tolerance for OUR creed- seems the best course to me.

    Delivered with utmost Buddha-like serenity:

    “You believe Black lives matter and I believe all lives matter. Please respect my right to my beliefs as I respect yours. In your worldview Black people are very very important, but they are not so central to mine.”

    Will this save you from Twerk-qwe-mada’s rack? Worth a shot.

    Replies: @Cranberries, @Not Only Wrathful, @Lockean Proviso

    It might not save you from the rack and stake, but maybe for bein’ such a stand up guy they’ll use dry wood instead of green wood when they burn you as a heretic.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Lockean Proviso

    :dry wood or green wood:

    Someone told me that using green wood at the stake was more merciful than using dry wood, because the dry wood would burn hot and clear, but the green wood made so much smoke that the person would die of smoke inhalation before the flames reached them.

  328. @Buffalo Joe
    @sayless

    sayless, there is a slow rising current of disgust in NYS with senseless violence and destruction across the state. Cuomo almost sent the National guard to NYC but something changed his mind. Maybe the DNC with an offer of a Supreme Court Appointment, VP, who knows, but he folded. All the big cities in NY are democrat strongholds, but when you see the economy wrecked and the cities burned you start to look for accountability and there is none. I spoke with an old parishioner the other day when I stopped by to say a prayer at our serviceless church. She said the lockdown was a way to destroy religion. She wasn't wearing a tin foil hat and I was suprised that she walked over to share her thoughts. A rule to ban church services, a rule to end classes at school, a rule to keep people apart and today when I checked in at San Francisco Chronicle online(SF Gate) there is no comment section. So much to think about.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    She said the lockdown was a way to destroy religion.

    Just the Christian ones.

    They know full well the Christians won’t fight back.

  329. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    What is this, “Up Late with McBain?”

  330. Abe says:
    @Marty
    @Abe

    Today I was waiting outside a Palo Alto restaurant waiting to order. On the corner were a dozen white protesters, one with a bullhorn, soliciting supporting honks from passing cars. In front of me in line was a white, mildly dykish security guard. Behind me were two soccer moms with four kids. I told the guard that what BLM actually wanted was to exempt blacks from the criminal law. She told me that was the most racist thing she ever heard. I asked her if she was allowed to stop black shoplifters. She turned away. Just then, and I’m not making this up, a guy who looked just like Ansel Adams walked by, with wife, wearing a MAGA hat. I gave him the thumbs up. Then I turned to one of the moms and with fake outrage said, “oh my GOD - did you see that?” One of the kids said, “what happened Mom?” and Mom said, “someone did something offensive.”

    Replies: @Abe

    In front of me in line was a white, mildly dykish security guard. Behind me were two soccer moms with four kids. I told the guard that what BLM actually wanted was to exempt blacks from the criminal law. She told me that was the most racist thing she ever heard.

    That’s a great start. We need to collaboratively help each other tune this to make it even better, like they do over on 4chan.

    Marty: BLM wants to exempt blacks from the criminal law.
    Lt. Dykestra: That’s most racist thing I’ve ever heard!
    McFly Jr.: I read it in a T’neishi [sic?] Coates/Megan Rapinoe/Tim Wise tweet.
    Lt. Khlamdivr: Oh?
    Irish Bug: No, not really.

    A diehard Wokester would seethe at being called out like this, but a normie (like either of the two moms behind you) would probably laugh at themselves, which creates rapport, which opens the channels for persuasion…

  331. @JohnnyWalker123
    @John Achterhof

    Americans generally aren't violent people (except Blacks). The other posters here are giving you incorrect explanations.

    America's homicide rate is high for 2 reasons.

    1. Lots of Blacks (13% of our population)
    2. Very easy access to guns

    If you look at the non-firearm homicide rate for White Americans, it's comparable to the rates you find in other Anglosphere nations (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ).

    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.

    The raging drug epidemic might be inflating our homicide rate a bit too, as there's a substantial black market for illegal narcotics (heroin, Oxycontin, etc).

    Culturally, violence is considered unacceptable in America. Most people are rather effete, preferring to settle their problems with discussion or maybe a law suit. However, with all the guns floating around, it's easy to shoot someone if they make you angry.

    Replies: @John Achterhof, @Anonymous

    Yeah, I haven’t seen statistics on it but I suspect drug use (street drugs, alcohol, pharmaceuticals) is involved in a high percent of violence worldwide, and that a uniquely high percentage of Americans use drugs and turn violent in society or domestic life along the course of a drug problem.

  332. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @anon

    Few if any nations exist that are entirely ethnically homogenous. If that is a requirement for nationhood, there aren't many, or perhaps any, real nations, and there never have been.

    Replies: @anon

    So, not only can’t Americans consider themselves American, but the French can’t consider themselves French?

    Then why can the “Scotch-Irish” call themselves Scotch-Irish? Surely the atom of Scotch identity can be split to reveal the quark of “Lowlands Scotch” or whatever.

    Without wishing to get into an internet slapfight, I’ll inquire whether you aren’t moving the goalposts a little there. My question was at what point does “American” become an ethnicity in its own right? The distinction between ethnicity and nationality is not really at issue, I don’t think. No one has trouble accepting “French” or “Italian” as an ethnicity as well as a nationality, and yet doubtless if we broke out the calipers and surveyed those populations we would find sufficient genetic variation to call them, by some definition, ethnically heterogenous. And so what? Ethnicity is as much a cultural category as a biological one. Culturally, Americans are resistant to the notion of an American ethnicity, is my point; and where an exotic alternative is not available, they are willing to invent it, as in “Scotch-Irish”. (Possibly related: Latinx.) But this is absurd. America is much older than Germany, and yet we don’t speak of ethnic Prussians anymore. (But perhaps they do in Germany.)

    It just seems sad that even the most patriotic Americans don’t want to think of themselves as having American blood.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    Actually, Americans embrace the notion of an American ethnicity. It's called being a mutt.

    Where have you been?

  333. @Pincher Martin
    @Buffalo Joe

    (I can't tell if you are being ironic or not, so I'll play your comment straight.)

    Moynihan was blasted about his report in the mid-sixties.

    But he was still right, and I'm just as right about a similar topic today. There's no evidence that the structure of the black family is a major factor in determining why black crime rates are so much higher than white crime rates. The homicide rate among blacks is much lower now than it was in 1969, even if most black kids today grow up in broken families and most in the nineteen-fifties and nineteen-sixties did not.

    Having said that, I'm sure there are several marginal benefits to wanting as many kids as possible to be raised in two-parent families that are sufficiently good to make it a desirable national policy or cultural goal. Less child poverty, for one.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Pin, I had timed out yesterday so I wanted to say both of your comments were exceptional. I was being sarcastic. Monihan’s report is still relevant today, but he couldn’t publish.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Don't think it was published at the time. It was a working paper. Not sure how various extraparliamentary politicians got a copy. They had a neuralgic response to it.

    Replies: @res, @Jim Don Bob

  334. @Buffalo Joe
    @Pincher Martin

    Pin, I had timed out yesterday so I wanted to say both of your comments were exceptional. I was being sarcastic. Monihan's report is still relevant today, but he couldn't publish.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Don’t think it was published at the time. It was a working paper. Not sure how various extraparliamentary politicians got a copy. They had a neuralgic response to it.

    • Replies: @res
    @Art Deco

    This page (not sure what happened to the original so this is an archive version) claims it was published. The page has much more about the Moynihan Report including a PDF of the original.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130630071435/http://moynihanrevisited.com/

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Art Deco

    There was another guy about the same time in the 60s who said that the 30% black illegitimacy rate was a problem and got pilloried for telling the truth. Nowadays I think the rate is north of 70%.

  335. @Znzn
    @Pincher Martin

    I will argue that Germans and Swedes are less corrupt than Japanese, but your ymmv.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    I don’t disagree, especially if we are talking politics. But the Japanese also seem less likely than either the Swedes or Germans to destroy their own society by importing large numbers of foreigners of questionable utility.

    A high-trust society just allows for more frictionless relationships between strangers in that society. And frictionless means that the government doesn’t have to mediate those relationships quite as often.

    • Replies: @128
    @Pincher Martin

    I remember the fun times (now not so much) when Japanese corporations hired Yakuza to police shareholder meetings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dkaiya

  336. “Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men. This disparity is not new; it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia, he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.”

    You would think that Wilson would have offered the proper context here. I will supply the missing gap. Please NOTICE, Mr. Sailer.

    Lane revealed how social and economic discrimination created a black criminal subculture. This subculture, overlooked by those histories depending on often inaccurate census materials, eroded family patterns, encouraged violence, discouraged efforts at middle-class respectability, and intensified employment problems by adding white fear to the white prejudice that had helped to create it. In other words, twentieth-century black violence, according to Lane, is a function of the institutions and habits of the nineteenth century.

    Lane’s scholarship centered on Philadelphia. Blacks shared the commercial district with native-born and migrant Philadelphians. The licensing of professions (e.g. physician, lawyer) and businesses of leisure (e.g. bars, restaurants), which required a $2000 bond and a $500 licensing fee, in the late 1800’s was cost prohibitive. Moreover, legal black establishments enabled men and women from different races and ethnic backgrounds to co-mingle, and in a number of instances the combination of liquor, woman, and dance became “disorderly conduct” and grounds to refuse new licenses to black applicants who could afford the fees.

    Thus, black businesses continued to operate illegally and became centers for prostitution and gambling where patrons regardless of color and background were allowed. Denied the outlet of the legal system, the businessmen settled disputes privately and violently. Lane argues that the historic roots of black crime are in part the result of a different social psychology resulting from blacks’ exclusion from the dominant experience with factories, bureaucracy, and schooling. Political subordination and dependence historically made the urban “vice district” largely congruent with the “black district”.

    As far as black murder rates in this city, Lane discusses how…

    [it] remained at relatively low levels during the Civil War years and after, the period that witnessed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments…In the years between 1860 and 1869, the rate was 6.4 per 100,000 annually. The next decade with the evidence failure of Reconstruction and the assassination of Octavius Catto, and continued through a major depression and the frustrating inability to win political office in the city, the rate leapt up dramatically to 10.8. Then came the expansive 1880’s, the period when Philadelphia’s Afro-Americans made their first modest political gains…The murder rate dropped down sharply to 7.2. But the 1890’s were a different era, with the nearly simultaneous deaths of Gil Ball and the Force Bill and continued through an increase in lynchings and a systematic denial of the vote in the South, another national depression…the rate accordingly jumped again to 11.4…All of these sources of violent behavior were related to each other in terms of not only their common roots of white prejudice but also their effects.

    Each reinforced the other in an upward spiral that contrasted sharply with the downward spiral in criminal behavior experienced by most other Philadelphians. And that upward spiral had an impact which reached well beyond the official statistics or the events recorded in the daily press, to affect the attitudes and behavior of virtually all of the city’s Afro-Americans, whatever their habits, class, or occupations…The conditions of black life in Philadelphia, or indeed anywhere in the late nineteenth century, meant that “respectability” was always a precarious quality. The Afro-American elite of educators, professionals, civil servants, and legitimate entrepreneurs shared the same fundamental values as their white counterparts. These values, tirelessly encouraged by the black press, included in addition to simply material success those standards summarized in the motto of the Citizens’ Republican Club: We Believe In Education, Morality, And Equality Under The Law”.

    None of these virtues were easy to achieve or sustain. A special problem was symbolized by the emblazoning of the motto itself on a parade banner intended for display before primarily white crowds. Respectability was matter not only of achievement but of recognition. And recognition by the dominant white group was critically important for those blacks who sought to win respectability both for themselves and their families and, through their own success, for the whole of their race. In this situation the growth of an active criminal subculture, led by a large and powerful class of illegal entrepreneurs, posed multiple problems for the legitimate black elite. [Inevitably, the threat from] whites, where hostility and contempt seized upon any evidence of black unrespectability, especially of vice or violence, to reinforce stereotypes about the whole of the race. Black leaders tried to mount intellectual and social defenses in order to bolster their own morale, protect their own values, and uphold the reputation of Afro-Americans as a group [which still had the stigma attached to them as being from an inferior biological and sociological stock].

    In other words, while Wilson’s statement is true on the surface, one must carefully consider the historical context.

  337. @anon
    @Hibernian

    So, not only can't Americans consider themselves American, but the French can't consider themselves French?

    Then why can the "Scotch-Irish" call themselves Scotch-Irish? Surely the atom of Scotch identity can be split to reveal the quark of "Lowlands Scotch" or whatever.

    Without wishing to get into an internet slapfight, I'll inquire whether you aren't moving the goalposts a little there. My question was at what point does "American" become an ethnicity in its own right? The distinction between ethnicity and nationality is not really at issue, I don't think. No one has trouble accepting "French" or "Italian" as an ethnicity as well as a nationality, and yet doubtless if we broke out the calipers and surveyed those populations we would find sufficient genetic variation to call them, by some definition, ethnically heterogenous. And so what? Ethnicity is as much a cultural category as a biological one. Culturally, Americans are resistant to the notion of an American ethnicity, is my point; and where an exotic alternative is not available, they are willing to invent it, as in "Scotch-Irish". (Possibly related: Latinx.) But this is absurd. America is much older than Germany, and yet we don't speak of ethnic Prussians anymore. (But perhaps they do in Germany.)

    It just seems sad that even the most patriotic Americans don't want to think of themselves as having American blood.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Actually, Americans embrace the notion of an American ethnicity. It’s called being a mutt.

    Where have you been?

  338. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Don't think it was published at the time. It was a working paper. Not sure how various extraparliamentary politicians got a copy. They had a neuralgic response to it.

    Replies: @res, @Jim Don Bob

    This page (not sure what happened to the original so this is an archive version) claims it was published. The page has much more about the Moynihan Report including a PDF of the original.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130630071435/http://moynihanrevisited.com/

  339. @Jim Don Bob
    @OilcanFloyd

    You forgot a few of the latest insanities such as defund the police, mayors taking a knee in solidarity with the protestors, and white girls on their knees apologizing for their white privilege.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Marty

    I answered you in the “International News” thread. Sorry for the delay.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Marty

    Saw it. Thanks. I love the stories here.

  340. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Don't think it was published at the time. It was a working paper. Not sure how various extraparliamentary politicians got a copy. They had a neuralgic response to it.

    Replies: @res, @Jim Don Bob

    There was another guy about the same time in the 60s who said that the 30% black illegitimacy rate was a problem and got pilloried for telling the truth. Nowadays I think the rate is north of 70%.

  341. @Marty
    @Jim Don Bob

    I answered you in the “International News” thread. Sorry for the delay.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Saw it. Thanks. I love the stories here.

  342. @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe

    Oh that's right.

    It was Cookie Gilchrist who gave you the half dollar.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Truth, when was the last time you saw a half dollar? Do they still mint them? And Cookie was a real piece of work who shunned the Bills for years.

  343. Anonymous[860] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Albert Schweitzer was, after all, right (though, I would not be as delicate as he was).

    "I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men
    in any function of our civilization.
    I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him.

    What is the difference between destroy and devour?

  344. Anonymous[860] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @John Achterhof

    Americans generally aren't violent people (except Blacks). The other posters here are giving you incorrect explanations.

    America's homicide rate is high for 2 reasons.

    1. Lots of Blacks (13% of our population)
    2. Very easy access to guns

    If you look at the non-firearm homicide rate for White Americans, it's comparable to the rates you find in other Anglosphere nations (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ).

    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.

    The raging drug epidemic might be inflating our homicide rate a bit too, as there's a substantial black market for illegal narcotics (heroin, Oxycontin, etc).

    Culturally, violence is considered unacceptable in America. Most people are rather effete, preferring to settle their problems with discussion or maybe a law suit. However, with all the guns floating around, it's easy to shoot someone if they make you angry.

    Replies: @John Achterhof, @Anonymous

    In Europe, people fight with fists or sometimes knives. In America, many of these type of fights are resolved with guns. So that inflates our homicide rate to some extent. If guns were harder to get, fewer people would get shot to death.

    Do suicide deaths count as homicides?

  345. @obwandiyag
    You clowns are just wetting your pants, you're so happy you have some minor disturbances to blame on blacks, even though the majority of disturbers, just like the majority of police murder victimes, are white.

    That's all there is to you. Complaining about blacks. If you didn't do that, you would fade away into non-existence. It's like homosexuals. All they are is what they do in bed. Without sex, they are as nothing. Isn't that funny? I just called you homosexuals!

    Replies: @Saul, @Not Only Wrathful, @res, @SunBakedSuburb, @Aplomb, @Anonymous, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo

    You don’t like homosexuals,do you? You know how to handle a homosexual,I bet.

  346. Anonymous[968] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    @Anonymous


    I’m in the sixth decade of my life and have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But sex with a black person is not something I ever did. Not because of lack of opportunity. And not because of social pressure-I mean David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it, right?
     
    But they did Faggyt stuff too...

    Uh... Oh... Wait Old Sport, my bad...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    They did. As did Townsend, at least one of the Davieses, and several others. I did not.

    They are great performers and musicians. Not moral exemplars.

    I did have sex with a somewhat big at one time country singer who was said to have had a dalliance with a British hard rock guitarist. Not someone that critics for the trendy or hip magazines would fawn over- one of the pudding faced old headbanger bands from industrial north England. I think like most of them who could, when the working class louts were run out by the immigrants he moved to LA and has lived there for decades.

    When I chanced to meet her twenty-odd years later she was quite friendly and seemed to remember me favorably.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anonymous

    OK, so you are not a homo and have never been with a black broad. I would say a fair number of white men your age could make the same claim. Good for you.

    But there's a poster here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory which I am starting to believe, let's say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man's baloney pony, which would you choose?

    Replies: @black sea, @anon

  347. @Truth
    @bomag

    Great. So black people murdered less than 409 whites... probably far less, in 2013, whereas white people murdered 2,509 of you. So what are you so afraid of?

    Replies: @bomag

    Percentages, man, percentages.

    The 2,509 comes down by the same percentage as the 409.

    And considering the percentage of time Whites spend around Blacks, it scares me that we have that many homicides.

  348. @Pincher Martin
    @Znzn

    I don't disagree, especially if we are talking politics. But the Japanese also seem less likely than either the Swedes or Germans to destroy their own society by importing large numbers of foreigners of questionable utility.

    A high-trust society just allows for more frictionless relationships between strangers in that society. And frictionless means that the government doesn't have to mediate those relationships quite as often.

    Replies: @128

    I remember the fun times (now not so much) when Japanese corporations hired Yakuza to police shareholder meetings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dkaiya

  349. @Lockean Proviso
    @Abe

    It might not save you from the rack and stake, but maybe for bein' such a stand up guy they'll use dry wood instead of green wood when they burn you as a heretic.

    Replies: @sayless

    :dry wood or green wood:

    Someone told me that using green wood at the stake was more merciful than using dry wood, because the dry wood would burn hot and clear, but the green wood made so much smoke that the person would die of smoke inhalation before the flames reached them.

  350. @Anonymous
    @Truth

    They did. As did Townsend, at least one of the Davieses, and several others. I did not.

    They are great performers and musicians. Not moral exemplars.

    I did have sex with a somewhat big at one time country singer who was said to have had a dalliance with a British hard rock guitarist. Not someone that critics for the trendy or hip magazines would fawn over- one of the pudding faced old headbanger bands from industrial north England. I think like most of them who could, when the working class louts were run out by the immigrants he moved to LA and has lived there for decades.

    When I chanced to meet her twenty-odd years later she was quite friendly and seemed to remember me favorably.

    Replies: @Truth

    OK, so you are not a homo and have never been with a black broad. I would say a fair number of white men your age could make the same claim. Good for you.

    But there’s a poster here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory which I am starting to believe, let’s say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man’s baloney pony, which would you choose?

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Truth


    let’s say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man’s baloney pony, which would you choose?
     
    Which one would be more likely to respect you in the morning?
    , @anon
    @Truth

    But there’s a poster autistic troll here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory personal fantasy...

    He's a wacked-out Subcontinental who has a thing for girls that he can't get with. Many autists are like that. Unlike you, he's not so brain dead as to believe in a flat Earth. It's not much, but he's got that going for him.

  351. Anonymous[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes
    @Coag


    The major religions in the world are still going strong, millennia into the thing.
     
    For the overwhelming majority of that time they held the keys to society's information flows in their talons: e.g., one branch of the Avramic tribal stories used to kill people for challenging orthodoxy - including translating their gibberish into the vernacular.

    Every grift throughout human history - including crony-capitalism - has attempted the same thing: control information to minimise the probability that the nature of the grift becomes widely known.

    That ship has now sailed. Even the governments we're told are the archetypes of despotism - China, Iran and the NorKs - can't prevent widespread, interactive, exchange of information by dissidents: digital samizdat is the toothpaste that can't be put back in the tube. Making VPNs and strong-encryption illegal shakes loose highly-risk-averse (i.e., marginal) dissidents for a time - but only until they realise that their risk of detection is minimal.

    Until the late 20th century, you only needed to control one or two information channels. Those channels were mostly unidirectional (from the author to an audience) and had relatively high barriers to entry.

    Prior to Gutenberg, getting a message to a wide audience required a large pool of skilled manpower (i.e., a bunch of scribes). Gutenberg's press removed that constraint, and massively improved productivity: one press generated a 90-fold improvement in replication compared to hand-printing, and ~800-fold compared to a single scribe hand-copying.

    Post-Gutenberg there was a much-reduced (but still large) barrier to entry for publishers: presses and typesets were expensive and highly controlled (the right to produce copies of things - copyright - was invented by politicians at this time). There was very tight control over ownership of a press: owning an unlicensed printing press was a death penalty offence in France. Tom Paine - intellectual father of two 18th century Revolutions - took two years to find a printer willing to print "Common Sense" (still among the most-printed American-authored works in history).

    Still, for half a millennium after Gutenberg, pamphleteers were the only genuine information threat to organised religion (it's no real surprise that Protestantism post-dates the invention of movable type).

    The samizdat movement in the former Soviet bloc was similar - but with better technology.

    This is why it's interesting to see the SJW types try to do the same shit to protect their grift... they have not realised that it's not possible in a world where there are a very large number of information channels with near-zero barriers to entry.

    They'll fail much more quickly than organised religion failed once it was forced to let the information genie out of the bottle.

    What they're finding is that they can deplatform individuals... so long as they can get the owner of the platform to buy in (e.g., the weak, beta-male man-bitches in charge of Patreon, Twitter, Faceplant - people with static expectations, who think that their Kodak-level quasi-monopolies are immune to alternatives).

    If the pamphleteer is serious about his philosophy - as opposed to someone craving a monetisable audience - he just sets up his own infrastructure and goes about his shit. In a world as large and interconnected as the one we live in, good ideas get traction. The Remnant finds each other, and finds that it (the Remnant) is much larger than everyone thinks.

    Bad ideas die unless two things exist:
    ① an organisation capable of enforcing constraints on information flow (i.e., replication and distribution); and
    ② technology amenable to strong implementation of the constraints.

    There are abundant ①-fuckbags in the world who would like nothing better than to protect their grift... but there is no such thing as ② any more.

    That's why the internet was such a bad deal for organised religion. As late as the 1980s they were still an important player in social policy in the West: by the mid-00s they are irrelevant in the non-US West, and are being exposed as frauds everywhere else.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The authorities can no longer silence dissident voices but they can still shout louder, which is almost as good.

    If you can’t suppress a discordant narrative, you can at least drown it out by filling the air with counter-narratives.

  352. @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason


    I myself once worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time when we had some dozens of girls in the same age range as the Rotherham girls in the custody of the state of Florida, and yet engaging in high frequency prostitution, apparently to feed drug habits, without causing any kind of national or international scandal.
     
    Well, there was a racial angle to the Rotherham business.....And the Brits are not completely cucked on certain realities....Although they are getting there...

    https://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/BwJ1F8uIcAATmTE.jpg-large-e1410651930356.jpeg


    Americans, in contrast, have totally capitulated the the BIPOC.....


    "pimps make many and regular demands for sex from the girls and women under their control. Our experience is that nearly all pimps are male, most were either African American or Hispanic, and their ages ranged from 16 to the mid-50s."

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, Jonathan Mason has been trying to excuse the behavior of those goons since Steve first started posting on Rotherham and Jonathan Mason blamed everything on the victims.
    Now, he puts forward the specious arguments
    (1) that girls acting out of drug addiction and girls groomed and threatened are basically the same thing and both groups are equally responsible for their own actions;
    (2) that girls prostituting themselves and girls being raped and tortured are basically the same thing and both groups of girls are equally responsible for their own actions;
    (3) that the lack of a scandal in one situation delegitimizes the presence of a scandal in a different situation.

    Jonathan Mason admitted in another post on iSteve that his family is half Egyptian and half British, and you can see where his loyalty lies.

  353. @J1234
    @newrouter

    That's a good question. I don't know if Wilson did or not. I remember hearing Ann Coulter (a few years ago) cite a source that claimed the murder rate within the white population of the US was more or less the same as many countries in Europe, but I don't know where she got that information.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Simon

    Confirming that memory (however vague), I remember reading, in the early ’90s, an assertion, by a seemingly reliable source, that if one eliminated black-on-black homicide, America’s homicide rate approximated that of Luxembourg.

    It sticks in my mind, of course, because of the weirdness of that specific comparison.

  354. @Truth
    @Anonymous

    OK, so you are not a homo and have never been with a black broad. I would say a fair number of white men your age could make the same claim. Good for you.

    But there's a poster here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory which I am starting to believe, let's say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man's baloney pony, which would you choose?

    Replies: @black sea, @anon

    let’s say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man’s baloney pony, which would you choose?

    Which one would be more likely to respect you in the morning?

    • LOL: Truth
  355. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    @Anonymous

    OK, so you are not a homo and have never been with a black broad. I would say a fair number of white men your age could make the same claim. Good for you.

    But there's a poster here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory which I am starting to believe, let's say you have a choice (at gunpoint) of bedding Oprah, or riding a really good looking (say Brad Pitt) white man's baloney pony, which would you choose?

    Replies: @black sea, @anon

    But there’s a poster autistic troll here, named Thomm, who has a very interesting theory personal fantasy…

    He’s a wacked-out Subcontinental who has a thing for girls that he can’t get with. Many autists are like that. Unlike you, he’s not so brain dead as to believe in a flat Earth. It’s not much, but he’s got that going for him.

  356. S says:

    As some have probably commented by now, Wilson’s words about crime and race might seem shocking as he actually acknowledges some truth that there is one group (sub-Saharan Africans) committing huge amounts of crime, and that races exist.

    I’d hesitate to use the word ‘wise’ though as he simply advocates the general ‘progressive’ line of racial destruction (ie genocide) via being bred out of existance through ‘mixing’, and once the racial conditions of, say, Brazil have been achieved, all will be utopia and peace like it is there…not.

    In the meantime Euros are just supposed take the incredible levels of violence directed against them, and the mass rapine, while Wilson is doing his best to soften the blow, lessen the pain, and ease the path to Euro oblivion.

    No, not wisdom, just a ‘progressive’ sort with New verbal/intellectual tricks, and another pied piper of Hamelin.

  357. @theMann
    @John Achterhof

    All American countries, from Labrador to Tierra del Fuego, are more violent than Europe or Asia, generally speaking. And the Central American countries are the most violent of the bunch. Canada and the White part of the USA are the least violent.

    The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.

    Replies: @Huisache, @SBaker

    “”The Americas are simply a hostile environment for humans to live in. All of us, the product of 200 years of our ancestors surviving that, tend to be tough people. Throw in notoriously corrupt governments and you have a situation.””

    This is an interesting thought. I will ponder and consider the consequences of generational adaptation.

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