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In Taki’s Magazine, David Cole writes:

Shouting “Pedo” in a Crowded Twitter
by David Cole

July 24, 2018

… [James] Gunn is the exceptionally successful writer and director of the Guardians of the Galaxy films, which have earned about $2 billion worldwide. He also executive-produced Avengers: Infinity War. The dude’s an A-lister, to be sure. But before he made the big leagues, he was immersed in the world of dumb, wacky, low-budget movies. He wrote and directed for Troma, an East Coast production and distribution company that makes bad films on purpose. Vulgar, lowbrow comedy-horror flicks. No joke is too base, no image too disgusting. …

That was James Gunn’s world before he lucked into directing one of the biggest franchises of the past decade. So, as one would expect, his old tweets are pretty raw. Jokes about rape, pedophilia, and trannies. Note that I said the word “jokes.” Are they funny? Not to me. …

Along with being not terribly funny, James Gunn is also an ideologue. He hates the right, and he lets the world know it. He hates Trump, he hates lil’ Benny Shapiro, and he applauded the destruction of Roseanne Barr after her Planet of the Apes tweet.

Last week, everyone’s favorite alt-right troll, Mike Cernovich, decided he’d had enough of Gunn’s two-bit leftist moralizing. So a-diggin’ he went, and he unearthed all those nasty old tweets. And Disney promptly fired Gunn from the next Guardians of the Galaxy installment. …

And his fate has divided the right into four camps:

(1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood.

Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes. That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle. As we all know, the first rule of Ped Club is: You do tweet about Ped Club. The second rule of Ped Club is: You DO TWEET ABOUT PED CLUB!

(2) The Moralists. Their deal is, “Rape jokes are never funny! Pedo jokes are never funny! Firing Gunn was the right call.”

(3) The Schadenfreuders. “The bastard got what he deserved for cheering when the same thing happened to Roseanne. Maybe if enough lefties suffer because of these witch hunts, they’ll finally stop doing it to us.”

(4) Me. I’ll get to that in a minute.

My personal view has long been that employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two, just as we don’t employ 5-year-old boys as chimney sweeps anymore, and we are headed toward no longer importing or breeding chimpanzees for the entertainment industry, instead replacing performing apes with Andy Serkis in a motion capture suit.

The chance of sexual abuse is one part of why I’d like to ban child actors, but the distorting effects of child stardom are more general than that.

The animation business generally employs adults to do the voice-overs of child characters like Bart Simpson, and the technology is rapidly arriving to do something similar with live-action movies and TV. In fact, last year I cited a promising 2017 example that this could work:

Similarly, in this year’s hit Guardians of the Galaxy sequel, the movie is stolen by Baby Groot, an adorable toddler version of the sentient alien tree from the first movie who never says anything but “I am Groot.” Vin Diesel handles the dialogue, such as it is, while director James Gunn dances around in the Groot suit.

 
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  1. He should not have been fired. This proves conservatives have no primpials

    Oh and the People are awakening

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This proves conservatives have no primpials
     
    No, but we do have the pompatus of love.
    , @Haxo Angmark
    way to go, Tiny Duck, you lurked in stealthy ambush and got in #1. And,

    as usual U R right: "conservatives have no primpials";

    only tiny ducks have primpials.
  2. Put me in category three. As for Cole’s position, I couldn’t care less. Not looking.

    • Agree: AndrewR, L Woods
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I looked and I'm still in category 3.

    Cole thinks Gunn getting fired is bad because more people will self-censor now. But it's not as if Disney was going to be open to the right's ideas either way, so f' it, take the scalp.

    Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.
    , @TTSSYF
    Kurt Schlichter said it well (category 3) in his most recent column.
  3. just as we don’t employ 5-year-old boys as chimney sweeps anymore, and we are headed toward no longer importing or breeding chimpanzees

    Just imagine the fit PETA would pitch if we used chimpanzees to clean chimneys.

    But the two words do alliterate (to the fourth letter), and chimps would sure make for an interesting remake of Mary Poppins.

  4. If you don’t think there’s pedophilia in high places in Hollywood (as well as elite political classes), you are incredibly naïve.

    • Agree: TheBoom
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    The paedo scandal in Britain seems to have been buried. Still it got high level entertainer Jimmy Savile, high level politicians 'Lord' Janner, Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith, as well as MI6 'diplomat' Peter Hayman.
    , @M_Young
    I'm not a pizza-gater, and I skip over Rod Dreher's stuff when he posts (endlessly) about Catholic clergy sex scandals (mostly ephebophilia), but yeah, there's a minority there, in high places, that are child abusers. And strangely enough, I think there *is* a compulsion to Tweet about it, maybe in coded ways.

    No, I don't think Gunn is a pedo. I do think they are out there, in high places, and crypto-Tweeting about it.
  5. James Gunn’s career definitely isn’t over. He just won’t be able to direct mainstream kid-friendly fare anymore. If he were the director of more adult oriented films, like James Cameron or Martin Scorsese, this would be a very minor scandal. So, he’s likely going to have to move back towards more adult oriented films. Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's good at less mature movies but isn't the second coming of Martin Scorsese at making grown-up films?
    , @PiltdownMan

    Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.
     
    After directing two movies that have grossed $1.6 billion worldwide it would be no real setback to him if he never directed a movie again in his life.
  6. These nuts

    • Replies: @Prester John
    I've heard the rumors. Somewhere in the Caribbean? Haiti?
  7. I’m with the schadenfreude people. The left is never going to stop. Being “principled” and asking the left to please, please stop being so mean, accomplishes nothing. So, we might as well take a few of them with us.

    • Agree: TWS, roo_ster
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Me too. I don't watch comic book movies, and I couldn't pick this guy out of a lineup. I don't necessarily think he should be fired, but I don't lose any sleep over these types of people being fired.

    Liberals shouldn't have a one way street of boycotting stuff.
    , @TTSSYF
    Agreed. It's not something I've ever wanted to see, but it's never going to recede until enough of the people pushing all of this insanity get bit on the backside by it.
    , @Anon
    The whole difference between category 3 and 4 is magical thinking. It does not matter whether we are personally happy or sad to see Gunn fired. Since we are not the ones who fired him, we can state our views, whatever those are and with whatever nuances may attach, with no hypocrisy at all, and our emotional state is entirely irrelevant; it will not have any effect on the world.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    I’m with the schadenfreude people.
     
    So am I, but there's more to it than schadenfreude. It's an application of Alinsky's rule no. 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." This is a tactic that can be used by any combatant. The left long ago insisted that "the personal is political" and began to stigmatize those it opposed on the basis of some aspect of their lives that would hitherto have been regarded as purely private, such as membership in a club that excluded certain classes of people. This has now been extended to ever having uttered certain words.

    As the Gunn episode shows, the left doesn't like it when its own weapons are turned against it. The current flailing about to justify ostracizing Roseanne for her alleged racism while exonerating Gunn for his pedophile jokes illustrates that the left's operating policy here is nothing more principled than "Who? Whom?"

    And for that matter, so is the sophistry of Shapiro and Erickson. Roseanne is a "racist" to be execrated because she supported Trump, and they are bitter-end NeverTrumpers. Gunn they give a pass, because what the NeverTrumpers want is a place at the Establishment's table, and they sense correctly that the Establishment gives Gunn a pass. They hope to be recognized as respectable, not like the "basket of deplorables"; and the way to show they are respectable is to make a show of agreeing with the Establishment on certain points.

    Regarding sexual misconduct as trivial has long been one of those points. The manners and mores of Hollywood, once regarded by most of the American public as worthy of censure, are now widely accepted. Objecting to them is the mark of a hayseed, a rustic Savonarola who probably speaks in tongues and handles rattlesnakes in church. By defending Gunn, Shapiro and Erickson show that they are sophisticated urban types, and that if given a place at the Establishment's table, they will know which fork to use, and will not blow their noses in the table linens.

    The MeToo phenomenon is in the process of upsetting this set of assumptions. My impression is that those who started it hoped it could be used against Donald Trump, but it has boomeranged and damaged many longstanding figures of the cultural left without leaving a scratch on the President. Similarly, accusations of pedophilia served the left well as long as their main targets were Roman Catholic clergy; discrediting the Catholic Church has been one of their long-sought goals. Yet the fact is that not just the priesthood, but all types of employment that afford their practitioners proximity to the young, attract a disproportionate number of pedophiles - including education (the Penn State scandal most notably, but examples can be found all over the country), and now the entertainment industry. The exposure of such people is an unintended consequence. Discrediting public schools and Hollywood was not part of the left's agenda. Nonetheless they ought to, and eventually will, bear their share of blame.

  8. @Thursday
    James Gunn's career definitely isn't over. He just won't be able to direct mainstream kid-friendly fare anymore. If he were the director of more adult oriented films, like James Cameron or Martin Scorsese, this would be a very minor scandal. So, he's likely going to have to move back towards more adult oriented films. Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.

    Maybe he’s good at less mature movies but isn’t the second coming of Martin Scorsese at making grown-up films?

    • Replies: @Thursday
    I agree, my Scorsese comparison was off, but people like Cameron, Guillermo Del Toro, the Wachowskis, James Mangold, Tim Miller etc. have all built careers on more adult oriented yet still pretty goofy films. I see no reason why Gunn wouldn't be taken on for an R-rated actioner.
  9. @Tiny Duck
    He should not have been fired. This proves conservatives have no primpials


    Oh and the People are awakening

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3MM8OkVT0hw

    This proves conservatives have no primpials

    No, but we do have the pompatus of love.

  10. I admire James Gunn’s work. He is extremely intelligent and talented, and it would be a shame if he was purged over these disgusting, but likely non-criminal tweets. I support both social shaming, but also tolerance. Social shaming serves a purpose in a society and I see nothing wrong with shaming lazy and unnecessary pedophilia jokes OUT of the culture. I am not saying that there might not be a time and place for an occasional joke, but it should be highly taboo. I like taboos. Healthy and functioning societies have taboos for good reason. Tell these jokes at some alternative comedy space in Echo Park or at 2:00 in the morning at the Comedy Store. They have no place in the public discourse on Twitter.

    So while I don’t support purges, I also support taboos. So be edgy, but don’t cry about it when there is push back…

    • Replies: @Bitfu
    This has nothing to do with pushback against traditional taboo behavior. The tweets were out there for years. People at Disney knew that Gunn had these sensibilities (either as a pedo or a creepy humorist, or both). And they knew this for years. That's supposedly the taboo behavior. And Disney did not care. [Nor did Twitter, btw.]

    Until...

    Gunn got called out. Then Disney cared--a lot.

    So don't get confused: The 'Taboo' isn't pedophilia (at worst), nor inappropriate jokes. No, the taboo is bad publicity. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    , @TWS
    You mean thousands of vile, indefensible, and deviant tweets posts and comments. If you're cool with that you hire him.
  11. Will this hang in the White House someday?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    More cricket than tennis, I'd say.
  12. What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It's the last straw.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433
    , @Polynikes
    Apparently lawyer-client confidentiality in New York state is dead. I would be ashamed to be an attorney there.
    , @Karl
    12 JohnyWalker123 > What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?


    CNN is less likely to bring forth the Blue Wave, than Ron Unz is likely to convince Orban to stop hiring border-wall-construction consultants from TelAviv

    , @Alfa158
    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime, and then they proceed to clean out your premises. If you still have a copy of any material they siezed, or if they missed something and you still have it, are you in legal trouble?
    It’s hard to guess anymore what is illegal in our brave new post Bill of Rights regime.
    , @TTSSYF
    Insofar as it affects my support for Trump, I could not care less. He would have to shoot someone in the middle of Manhattan for him to lose my support and, even then, I would never vote for a Dem.
  13. I hardly watch commercial Hollywood movies anymore, I could not care less about Guardian of the Galaxy. As for children acting in movies, it wouldn’t be such a big problem if there weren’t so many perverts in Hollywood, and if actors in general weren’t paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don’t deserve.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    and if actors in general weren’t paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don’t deserve.
     
    It's common to hear bitching about how much ball players and entertainers make, but the bottom line is that the total paid to all of them, divided out and paid to everyone in the US, would not buy everyone a bicycle. If you do not like major league sports or cineplex-packing movies, don't go. Don't buy the stuff advertised on telecasts of them either. Buy high end craft or low end generic product instead that don't advertise.

    The vast majority of people who make their living as actors, musicians, or other entertainers are not rich. By its nature, it's a feast or famine business. You want guaranteed safe stable employment, get a job with the post office, police, firefighter, city worker, or find one of the shrinking but still present pockets of blue collar union jobs. That's the antithesis of being a movie star, and why Brooce! is inherently ridiculous.

    On the other hand, every taxpayer does have a legit beef about cities using tax money to subsidize sports teams. That isn't the players' fault. It's the fault of piggy city governments. Cuckservatives believe in states' rights and federalism. Real rightwingers say use the lingam of federal government power to throttle cities' subsidizing ballparks the same way the feds jammed the 55 mph speed limit and the 21 drinking age up everyone's ass.
    , @stillCARealist
    Actors and actresses are born, not made. I'd rather have the whole sorry lot cordoned off in H'wood or NY than have them back in their home towns driving everybody nuts and doing weird stuff.

    A friend's daughter is an actress, and while she keeps everybody entertained, she requires the patience of Job on the part of her family to cope with her behavioral swings.
  14. @Thursday
    James Gunn's career definitely isn't over. He just won't be able to direct mainstream kid-friendly fare anymore. If he were the director of more adult oriented films, like James Cameron or Martin Scorsese, this would be a very minor scandal. So, he's likely going to have to move back towards more adult oriented films. Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.

    Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.

    After directing two movies that have grossed $1.6 billion worldwide it would be no real setback to him if he never directed a movie again in his life.

    • Replies: @Thursday
    Financially, he's fine. But I assume he likes being a powerful director at the head of a big movie franchise.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    With a net worth estimated at $100 million, he certainly is financially OK for a while. And so what if he never makes another movie for Disney? He will have backers for his movies as long as he makes them money.
  15. • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Clifford (1994) is more weird than funny; but Martin Short's performance makes the film worthwhile. And Steve Sailer is correct: it's time to phase out child actors, for a number of reasons. One reason being there is a pedophile problem in Hollywood. Nickelodeon is going through a shakeup because one of its cash-cow producers preyed on the never-ending stream of tween girls (and their hideous, enabler parents) searching for stardom. And former A-list director and his boy-lover pals (all in the industry) created a media company for the sole purpose of drawing in teenage boys.
  16. If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. Granted, Gunn has been shunned not for being too far left, but for sentiments that are evenly reviled by people across the entire political spectrum, but we have to take our victories where we can. I do not really like Thernovich but he done good here.

  17. @Thursday
    I'm with the schadenfreude people. The left is never going to stop. Being "principled" and asking the left to please, please stop being so mean, accomplishes nothing. So, we might as well take a few of them with us.

    Me too. I don’t watch comic book movies, and I couldn’t pick this guy out of a lineup. I don’t necessarily think he should be fired, but I don’t lose any sleep over these types of people being fired.

    Liberals shouldn’t have a one way street of boycotting stuff.

  18. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's good at less mature movies but isn't the second coming of Martin Scorsese at making grown-up films?

    I agree, my Scorsese comparison was off, but people like Cameron, Guillermo Del Toro, the Wachowskis, James Mangold, Tim Miller etc. have all built careers on more adult oriented yet still pretty goofy films. I see no reason why Gunn wouldn’t be taken on for an R-rated actioner.

  19. @PiltdownMan

    Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.
     
    After directing two movies that have grossed $1.6 billion worldwide it would be no real setback to him if he never directed a movie again in his life.

    Financially, he’s fine. But I assume he likes being a powerful director at the head of a big movie franchise.

  20. @Dwright
    Put me in category three. As for Cole’s position, I couldn’t care less. Not looking.

    I looked and I’m still in category 3.

    Cole thinks Gunn getting fired is bad because more people will self-censor now. But it’s not as if Disney was going to be open to the right’s ideas either way, so f’ it, take the scalp.

    Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    "Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess."

    Because women and minorities are so fragile that we simply can't make jokes about them like we did in the mean ol' days. Children, on the other hand, are much stronger than women and minority men and are completely capable of defending themselves from jokes about raping them, so it's A-OK.

    , @Anon
    Supposedly Gunn had a mountain of tweets about pedophilia. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about gayness, I assume he's gay. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about pedophilia, I'm assume he's a pedophile. I can imagine making wisecracks about a great many things, but it honestly wouldn't occur to me to make jokes about pedophilia at all. This has nothing to do with the criminality of the subject. I have zero interest in having sex with children, so the whole pedophilia zeitgeist isn't part of my mentality.

    People focus on and will return repeatedly to a subject that obsesses them. Gunn was obsessed.
    , @BrokenSymmetry
    Kids are fair game then. What happened to not punching down?
  21. Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes

    Steve another way of looking at this is why would so many celebrities feel free to make child rape and molestation jokes? (Gunn is just one example.)

    The only answer I can come up with is that pedophilia is common in Hollywood and practiced by the elite there. In any other industry, a high profile exec tweeting about how he or she likes to bang infants would likely be career suicide and I can’t imagine pedophiles in those other fields doing it.

    Plus, what kind of person thinks molesting and raping children is funny? I have known a good number of people who used humor to show they were edgy and I used to work in the minor leagues of the entertainment industry. Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.
    , @notanon

    Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.
     
    imo

    pedophiles make subtle jokes/comments as a way of signalling to other pedophiles but they keep it subtle for obvious reasons

    more blatant "jokes" and comments are more a sign of having been abused

    there's a trend for edgy comedians to make pedophile jokes cos the edge of acceptable humor has been both pushed back so far (sexually) and so restricted (everything else)

    this last is supported and promoted by elite pedophiles in the media cos making it acceptable to joke about pedophilia helps to normalize it - and to anyone paying attention it is clear the media are trying to normalize pedophilia .
    , @ScarletNumber
    FWIW Jim Norton jokes about it.
  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1021926239756537857


    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1021935655574810624

    What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    It’s the last straw.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Can't see it.

    Just a gray box.
  23. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1021926239756537857


    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1021935655574810624

    What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    Apparently lawyer-client confidentiality in New York state is dead. I would be ashamed to be an attorney there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Cohen recording his client with a covert pocket recorder
     
    Now I just know this plays right into some pernicious stereotype, just can't remember which one....something about a certain kind of lawyer....wait a minute, it'll come to me....
  24. @Dave Pinsen
    It's the last straw.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433

    Can’t see it.

    Just a gray box.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    2nd try.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433?s=21
    , @res
    Just cut and paste the link text you see if you hover over the link to Dave's comment. It's pretty funny.
  25. @TheBoom

    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes
     
    Steve another way of looking at this is why would so many celebrities feel free to make child rape and molestation jokes? (Gunn is just one example.)

    The only answer I can come up with is that pedophilia is common in Hollywood and practiced by the elite there. In any other industry, a high profile exec tweeting about how he or she likes to bang infants would likely be career suicide and I can't imagine pedophiles in those other fields doing it.

    Plus, what kind of person thinks molesting and raping children is funny? I have known a good number of people who used humor to show they were edgy and I used to work in the minor leagues of the entertainment industry. Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Now I can't tell if Steve is being ironic--or not.
    , @Anonymous
    Is it possible that powerful people can grow so powerful, and their practices become so widespread among them, that they lose sight of the legal and moral rules that apply to ordinary people?
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    One of the tenets of secret-society conspiracy theories is that the cabal openly broadcasts elements of what it's doing, either to rub your face in it or as an essential aspect of their occult magic.

    Back when these celebs made these pedo jokes, it was fringe to point out the dark secrets of Hollywood. I suspect that witch hunts are going after actual witches now is reflective of changing power dynamics behind the curtain, as everything is, pace Moldbug

    , @TheBoom
    Ped Club assumes it is an organized club with meetings and points of order. There are a lot of habits that are illegal or considered bad that are common in Hollywood. I imagine this is one of them or we wouldn't see so many celebrities tweeting pedophilia jokes nor would so many celebrities feeling comfortable coming to Gunn's defense as they did earlier to Polanski 's defense. After all, how many came to Roseanne 's defense? They know their career would suffer because voting for Trump is not viewed as moral in Hollywood
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Chutzpah, it seems, is not limited to Jews. Now, does this mean that these particular weirdos (like Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon) have actually done anything illegal? Not that we know of… yet. But these politically moralistic hypocrites are signaling some strange proclivities. So out the door some will go. Hey, in this #MeToo era, one can’t be too careful.

    If you haven’t guessed, I’m rollin’ with gang Schadenfreuder. :)
    , @PiltdownMan

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_and_pederast_advocacy_organizations#International

    I'm old enough to recall that, when NAMBLA first got coverage in the media in the 1970s, in the aftermath of the late 1960s Free Love era, the organization's propaganda had a certain quality of being light-hearted and jokey in its advocacy, kinda "just another fun thing to try."

    On the other hand, I don't buy that the James Gunn incident reveals anything about a Ped Club in Hollywood. The gross-out pedo posts are well, gross, and well beyond the pale for me and many others— across partisan lines.

    FWIW, I got a slightly different perspective from a PiltdownRelative, whose full-time professional job at his organization is to counter online child pornography. He works closely with Federal law enforcement in Washington DC and police in a number of countries around the world, pretty much on a weekly basis, and has done so for the last ten years. Ped Clubs mostly went online and became virtual a long time ago. The networks are rarely local in nature anymore, and are often cross-border networks.

    He said that the posts, by themselves, are no red flag, though they would be, if Gunn were already under investigation for child sex abuse. But what's problematic is Gunn's reference to a possibly pedophile video mentioned by his friend, who was apparently convicted last month for possession of child pornography, and the internet rumor that Gunn had that video posted on his blog and has since taken it down.

    So there's that.

    , @God Emperor Putin
    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Sorry to pile on, but back in the days when marijuana was illegal, Hollywood products had almost de rigueur references to pot smoking, which at the time sure looked like signalling that they were in the semi-secret 4-20 Cool Kids Club since the references were usually unrelated to the plot. And retrospectively we can see that was indeed the case, as in the relaxed post-Obama environment lots of Hollywood pot smoke has come out of the closet, so to speak.

    Now I'm supposed to think that the current crop of forced pedo references mean nothing at all, and all that 420 stuff back in the day was just marijuana teetotalers throwing pointless pot references into their work because ... because ... when you are making laborious multi-million dollar products you definitely want to waste screen time subtly advocating for illegal activity of no interest to yourself.

  26. @Dave Pinsen
    I looked and I'm still in category 3.

    Cole thinks Gunn getting fired is bad because more people will self-censor now. But it's not as if Disney was going to be open to the right's ideas either way, so f' it, take the scalp.

    Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.

    “Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.”

    Because women and minorities are so fragile that we simply can’t make jokes about them like we did in the mean ol’ days. Children, on the other hand, are much stronger than women and minority men and are completely capable of defending themselves from jokes about raping them, so it’s A-OK.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  27. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1021926239756537857


    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1021935655574810624

    What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    12 JohnyWalker123 > What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    CNN is less likely to bring forth the Blue Wave, than Ron Unz is likely to convince Orban to stop hiring border-wall-construction consultants from TelAviv

  28. Cole also wrote:

    The witch hunts will end when companies stop reflexively firing people.

    That should read

    “The witch hunts against leftists will end when companies stop reflexively firing leftists.”

    The witch hunts will continue against the right because companies love to fire the right.

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    Can't see it.

    Just a gray box.

    2nd try.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I like that color better. I will take three gallons in semi-gloss.
    , @ben tillman
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433
  30. I’m conflicted. I told no brief for Gunn, but I think firing him was stupid. On the other hand, I approve of fighting fire with fire, sauce for the goose, etc.

    We’ve just reached a cultural dead end.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Now I can’t tell if Steve is being ironic–or not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is sarcasm. He is skeptical (not without good reason) that a pedophile public figure would tweet regularly about pedophilia.
    , @Anonymous
    It is sarcasm. He is skeptical (not unreasonably) that a pedophile public figure would tweet regularly about pedophilia.
  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1021926239756537857


    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1021935655574810624

    What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime, and then they proceed to clean out your premises. If you still have a copy of any material they siezed, or if they missed something and you still have it, are you in legal trouble?
    It’s hard to guess anymore what is illegal in our brave new post Bill of Rights regime.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
     
    If it's been seized, he doesn't have it.

    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime.
     
    It is illegal for a court to issue, or for a lawyer to obey, such an order.
    , @Autochthon
    The only significant communication not priveleged would be actual efforts or plans to commit a crime .

    Trump: I'm looking to solicit and employ prostitutes without getting in trouble. Please tell me the best ways to avoid being caught and minimise any penalties if caught.

    Cohen: Okie dokie. Here's what we do....
     
    I use this example because it is close to the one colourable argument, under the circumstances, that the communications were in fact of such a nature. Communications, even pretty controversial ones, are otherwise privileged. "I killed a man and hid the body in my backyard." will almot always trigger, at the very least, some obligation for the lawyer to report the location of the corpse to the authorities, if not to divulge the identity of the client. This stuff quickly and easily turns into a rabbit hole (there is literally a en entire semester-length course dedicated entirely to ethics every ABA-accredited law school must teach all students before they graduate, filled with endless discussion of such examples, and then, too, of course, tough cases make bad law.

    The kind of agreed settlement about keeping quiet regarding a romp between consenting adults that seems to go on here is well within the realm of stuff protected by the privilege.

    Like Steve, I have no time nor interest in all the neener-neener-boo-boo, Spy. v. Spy nonsense going on, so I don't follow this stuff at all – although I did pause when I heard the name on the radio today to ponder whether I'd actually seen that particular gal in one of my old man's magazines back when – and I believe I did, so I cannot blame Trump for wanting to indulge, although adultery by a married man is still way not okay.... If, however, part of the gimmick of all the ballyhoo – and I don't know if it is, but it might well be! – is that Cohen is accused of some crime and this conversation in some way is exculpatory evidence – i.e., there is something about this exchange that helps prove Cohen is innocent of whatever corny, made-up crime he is charged with ("lying to the FBI because your fifteenth deposition was not entirely consistent in its minutia with your first" seems to be the favourite such phony crime nowadays) – if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.

    My analysis, of course, is worth what I've charged for it, and I welcome criticism from anyone with more expertise in ethics and discipline – it's absolutely not my wheelhouse, so you are getting a cardiologist's opinion about your broken tibia here: not untrained, but hardly the best....
  33. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Is it possible that powerful people can grow so powerful, and their practices become so widespread among them, that they lose sight of the legal and moral rules that apply to ordinary people?

    • Replies: @CAL2
    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn't natural. It isn't funny. It's disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.

    There was a scene in The Expanse where they were trying to get some information out of a scientist who was a mental case and only cared about his work. They couldn't get anything until one character talked him up about his work. He pointed out the guy was like a pedo. They couldn't help but talk about it if you seemed interested.
  34. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Now I can't tell if Steve is being ironic--or not.

    It is sarcasm. He is skeptical (not without good reason) that a pedophile public figure would tweet regularly about pedophilia.

  35. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Now I can't tell if Steve is being ironic--or not.

    It is sarcasm. He is skeptical (not unreasonably) that a pedophile public figure would tweet regularly about pedophilia.

  36. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    “employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two”

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    So to make a movie with kids you’d need a budget of a trillion dollars, and it would have to be filmed on a blue stage with adult actors in blue onesies festooned with tracking bulbs moving around like children. Then the dubbing and lip movement animation.

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!
     
    The world doesn't need any more children's movies (or even regular movies, for that matter). There are more than enough already made to last an entire childhood.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”
     
    Get a load of this expensive cringefest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pYhpJaJW8
    , @Pericles
    "Mommy, I want the kid being friends-hugged by the demonic tranny to be someone real!"
    , @Mr. Anon

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!
     
    When I was a kid, I hated movies about kids, or even movies wherein kids featured prominently. I wanted to watch movies about grown-ups doing interesting grown-up things.
  37. My own opinion is that what’s sauce for the goose (Roseanne) is sauce for the gander (Gunn).

    I think firing either is stupid, but firing just one and not the other is worse.

    • Agree: fish
  38. Anyone hand wringing about this on the right isn’t serious about fighting the left and is a useful idiot at best, a disingenuous liar at worst.

  39. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    One of the tenets of secret-society conspiracy theories is that the cabal openly broadcasts elements of what it’s doing, either to rub your face in it or as an essential aspect of their occult magic.

    Back when these celebs made these pedo jokes, it was fringe to point out the dark secrets of Hollywood. I suspect that witch hunts are going after actual witches now is reflective of changing power dynamics behind the curtain, as everything is, pace Moldbug

    • Replies: @Anon

    One of the tenets of secret-society conspiracy theories is that the cabal openly broadcasts elements of what it’s doing, either to rub your face in it or as an essential aspect of their occult magic.
     
    The Zionists openly broadcast elements of what they are doing.

    And the globalists openly broadcast--indeed celebrate--elements of the dispossession of White people from their homelands.

  40. Attention-Hoaxing should be a new pastime. It’s turning funny and entertaining.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2018/07/texas-waiter-made-up-racist-note-story-saltgrass-coo-says/

  41. Our Guy just won the GA GOP Gov race:

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    I don't know much about Brian Kemp, except that I'm sure he's not the political reincarnation of Jack Kemp!
  42. (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood …

    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes. That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.

    It’s called hiding in plain sight. The arrogance of these people is indeed stunning. Cheering on Roman Polanski, just for example, while holding oneself up as the highest exemplar of morality. They are truly deranged. Put me down as a proud member of the Pizzagate crowd. If there is any other explanation for all those emails, Instagram posts, and “art” collections full of references to sadomasochistic occult practices centered around the abuse of small children, I would love to hear it.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Normally, I dismiss things like pizzagate as overly melodramatic. However, reading the emails males me think it could be true especially when you add in spirit cooking found in the dump of DNC emails.

    This reminds me of the recent Daily Mail article where a woman who writes about devil worship claims that the prevalence of celebrities having black eyes is because they get them in a satanic ritual. May be complete nonsense. Maybe the fight club is real but I have not seen anyone with a black eye in years and have seldom seen one in real life. Weird that so many celebrities have them and primarily on the left eye.

    https://dailym.ai/2JEpldQ

    , @Mr. Anon
    A lot of the secret-society/illuminati stuff just seems loopy. It's just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message. Hell, it's almost impossible to get any three people to agree what to order on a pizza.

    And yet,..................

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-month-1117/

    What's up with the one-eyed thing? And, to a lesser extent, the devil-horns.

    At the very least, there might almost seem to be some kind of sinister conspiracy among fashion photographers.



    And the Podesta brothers, and their sick tastes in "art" are just straight-up creepy.
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I'll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.

    Add to that the documented mini-scandals around the globe that just seem to disappear when the right person dies in a car crash or the perp flees the country...

  43. @Dave Pinsen
    2nd try.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433?s=21

    I like that color better. I will take three gallons in semi-gloss.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It displayed fine during the editable period. Maybe when Ron’s done writing about how Jews made matzoh from Christian kids’ blood, he can fix this glitch.
  44. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    So to make a movie with kids you'd need a budget of a trillion dollars, and it would have to be filmed on a blue stage with adult actors in blue onesies festooned with tracking bulbs moving around like children. Then the dubbing and lip movement animation.

    "Mommy, why is that kid so ... creepy?! I wanna go home!" "It's just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about." "Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He's going to kill me!"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    The world doesn’t need any more children’s movies (or even regular movies, for that matter). There are more than enough already made to last an entire childhood.

  45. @Lot
    I like that color better. I will take three gallons in semi-gloss.

    It displayed fine during the editable period. Maybe when Ron’s done writing about how Jews made matzoh from Christian kids’ blood, he can fix this glitch.

    • Replies: @Anon
    In fairness, Dave, there is a common practice in Judaism of cutting on infants and sucking some of their blood. Maybe that's how the myth originated?
    , @Lot
    Watching Unz's decline has been sad more than anything. 10 years ago he was helping to underwrite and promote people like Steve, Razib, Dreher, Derb, and Larison. Now it is like a mix of Russia Today, The Electronic Intifada and Stormfront.
  46. Anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    One of the tenets of secret-society conspiracy theories is that the cabal openly broadcasts elements of what it's doing, either to rub your face in it or as an essential aspect of their occult magic.

    Back when these celebs made these pedo jokes, it was fringe to point out the dark secrets of Hollywood. I suspect that witch hunts are going after actual witches now is reflective of changing power dynamics behind the curtain, as everything is, pace Moldbug

    One of the tenets of secret-society conspiracy theories is that the cabal openly broadcasts elements of what it’s doing, either to rub your face in it or as an essential aspect of their occult magic.

    The Zionists openly broadcast elements of what they are doing.

    And the globalists openly broadcast–indeed celebrate–elements of the dispossession of White people from their homelands.

  47. Muh culture:

    • Replies: @roo_ster
    Every time I dip my toes in popular culture, I feel the need for a shower.
    , @flyingtiger
    When did she OD on Heroine?
  48. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    The radical left has been digging up dirt on people, calling their employers, doxxing, and sicking internet hate mobs on people for years over innocuous comments, both past and present. They started this. How many good men have been destroyed, without evidence, by this #metoo lynchmob? Lots, and the left was behind much of that.

    Let’s not pretend that a conservative wouldn’t have been fired for saying the same things, regardless of how long ago it was or context. They would have, and with the full support of the controlled media.

    If Rosanne Barr can be fired – and they were indeed trying to fire her by digging up things long before she ever made that Tweet – then so can Gunn. He apologized, so did Barr. Didn’t make a difference with Roseanne, and she honestly thought the target of her Tweet was white!

    This hate mob the left has conjured into existence will only dissipate once they start succumbing to their own punishments. We’re seeing some of this now with the reaction to Gunn’s firing. Same happened during the Salem Witch Trials. Only when someone high ranking got accused did the thing get shut down. Sucks for Gunn, though.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  49. “Anyone hand wringing about this on the right isn’t serious about fighting the left”

    Conservatives have principles. Liberals do not. That’s why they won.

  50. OT – But I just found this story on the UK Daily Mail. Has anyone heard about this baby in Louisiana being burned to death by his kidnappers? Just click here to view the photos. If the races were reversed this would be on 24/7 with Trump taking the blame.

  51. @Lot
    Our Guy just won the GA GOP Gov race:

    https://youtu.be/5Q1cfjh6VfE

    Lot:

    I don’t know much about Brian Kemp, except that I’m sure he’s not the political reincarnation of Jack Kemp!

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ABRz_epvic

    Despite her bad policies like gun control, I like Abrams on a personal level. She published a bunch of romance novels under another name, still has student loans, speaks proper neutral American English, and has a good command of policy issues. I'd be happy to see her win a safe Dem house seat or Atlanta mayor after she loses this race.
  52. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    “So while I don’t support purges, I also support taboos.”

    Taboos are taboos because there is the threat of punishment. No purges, no taboos. That’s how the left enforces its taboos. They purge all wrong think and publicly shame their enemies (like that guy in Hollywood who said he liked Ben Shapiro and had to apologize).

  53. @Dave Pinsen
    It displayed fine during the editable period. Maybe when Ron’s done writing about how Jews made matzoh from Christian kids’ blood, he can fix this glitch.

    In fairness, Dave, there is a common practice in Judaism of cutting on infants and sucking some of their blood. Maybe that’s how the myth originated?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The sucking is I think strictly a Haredi practice and an awful one at that, which has led to infants contracting herpes.

    I read a pretty convincing argument against circumcision a while back that argued that the current version is more extreme than what was practiced in biblical times.
  54. Anon[718] • Disclaimer says:

    So…will Hollywood be apologizing to Donald Trump for that Access Hollywood tape now? I mean, it was a long time ago and Trump did say he was sorry, just like James Gunn did (although, the left wing media did call for Trump to step down at the time). Hasn’t stopped the left from harping about it even till the present and using it to falsely imply that he was bragging about sexually assaulting people.

    That being said, it does suck for Gunn…and conservatives like me who have principles. I feel sorry for Gunn, but James Gunn likely wouldn’t feel sorry for me if I did what he did.

    Al Franken is on line three. He wants his job back. His joke was how long ago now? Didn’t stop the left then, did it? Only now is it wrong? I don’t get it. What happened? They realized they’ve taken things too far now that they themselves are in jeopardy?

  55. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Ped Club assumes it is an organized club with meetings and points of order. There are a lot of habits that are illegal or considered bad that are common in Hollywood. I imagine this is one of them or we wouldn’t see so many celebrities tweeting pedophilia jokes nor would so many celebrities feeling comfortable coming to Gunn’s defense as they did earlier to Polanski ‘s defense. After all, how many came to Roseanne ‘s defense? They know their career would suffer because voting for Trump is not viewed as moral in Hollywood

    • Replies: @Lot
    When I was in middle school Michael Jackson pedo jokes were really common at school and on TV. It wasn't edgy then.
    , @verylongaccountname
    There was a lot of public nodding and winking about homosexuality in Hollywood when it was unacceptable to be gay. Now we see a lot of nodding and winking about pedophilia ... it definitely makes one wonder.
  56. “If the races were reversed this would be on 24/7 with Trump taking the blame.”

    TYT headline: SHOCKING! Racist White Man Horrifically Burns Black Babies. [VIDEO]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Hollywood 'treatment' is probably being written tonight.
  57. Anon[718] • Disclaimer says:

    “My personal view has long been that employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two”

    What do you mean by under age? Under 18 or just really young like under 12? Because if it is the former, then a ton of good movies that have been made would never have seen the light of day. I think child actors are fine as long as their parents consent and there is proper security on set (all child actors should have an assistant to watch over them at all times, if not their parents).

    • Replies: @CAL2
    Sadly, that won't work. The security will either be in the pocket of studio or it will be staffed with the people who see it as there chance at the buffet.

    With good parents, like Shirley Temple had, it would work. But too many of them are starstruck and willing to have anything done to their kids for the big shot. Look at the Nasser case at MSU. Sure little Debbie said Nasser did inappropriate things to her. Yet Mom and Dad kept sending her because it was her shot at the Olympics.
  58. @Dave Pinsen
    It displayed fine during the editable period. Maybe when Ron’s done writing about how Jews made matzoh from Christian kids’ blood, he can fix this glitch.

    Watching Unz’s decline has been sad more than anything. 10 years ago he was helping to underwrite and promote people like Steve, Razib, Dreher, Derb, and Larison. Now it is like a mix of Russia Today, The Electronic Intifada and Stormfront.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    His increasingly incoherent style is almost as objectionable as the content. (And of course the commenters are even worse - would anyone want to be on the same side as Wally even if he were right?)
    , @Anon
    What is wrong with discussing Jewish involvement in the Russian revolution? Many people are unaware of it.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Watching Unz’s decline has been sad"
     
    What are you talking about? Seriously.
  59. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    I hardly watch commercial Hollywood movies anymore, I could not care less about Guardian of the Galaxy. As for children acting in movies, it wouldn't be such a big problem if there weren't so many perverts in Hollywood, and if actors in general weren't paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don't deserve.

    and if actors in general weren’t paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don’t deserve.

    It’s common to hear bitching about how much ball players and entertainers make, but the bottom line is that the total paid to all of them, divided out and paid to everyone in the US, would not buy everyone a bicycle. If you do not like major league sports or cineplex-packing movies, don’t go. Don’t buy the stuff advertised on telecasts of them either. Buy high end craft or low end generic product instead that don’t advertise.

    The vast majority of people who make their living as actors, musicians, or other entertainers are not rich. By its nature, it’s a feast or famine business. You want guaranteed safe stable employment, get a job with the post office, police, firefighter, city worker, or find one of the shrinking but still present pockets of blue collar union jobs. That’s the antithesis of being a movie star, and why Brooce! is inherently ridiculous.

    On the other hand, every taxpayer does have a legit beef about cities using tax money to subsidize sports teams. That isn’t the players’ fault. It’s the fault of piggy city governments. Cuckservatives believe in states’ rights and federalism. Real rightwingers say use the lingam of federal government power to throttle cities’ subsidizing ballparks the same way the feds jammed the 55 mph speed limit and the 21 drinking age up everyone’s ass.

    • Replies: @Dumbo

    If you do not like major league sports or cineplex-packing movies, don’t go.
     
    That's what I do. If they are rich, it's certainly not because of me.

    The vast majority of people who make their living as actors, musicians, or other entertainers are not rich. By its nature, it’s a feast or famine business.

     

    That's true. In a fairer world, non-famous actors should be better paid, and famous actors should be paid less. Generally it's not a question of talent, but of luck and good contacts. Being part Jewish also helps. But yes, life's not fair and that's how it works. Lots of competition for very few spots. And yet, there seems to be something wrong with the current cult of "celebrities" and their lavish lifestyle.
  60. David Cole sneering at straw man theorists who “believe” there is pedophilia in Hollywood is pretty much worthy of the Iraqi Minister of Propaganda, and babble about what would be logical is meaningless given data about what happened. Psychologically abnormal people let slip wildly inappropriate jokes, everybody forgives them for it and chooses not to notice; months later they remember awkward moments and cite that to attest that they always knew.

  61. @Anon
    In fairness, Dave, there is a common practice in Judaism of cutting on infants and sucking some of their blood. Maybe that's how the myth originated?

    The sucking is I think strictly a Haredi practice and an awful one at that, which has led to infants contracting herpes.

    I read a pretty convincing argument against circumcision a while back that argued that the current version is more extreme than what was practiced in biblical times.

    • Replies: @Lot
    It is barbaric outside of a hospital performed by a doctor. But I give the various weird Jews-in-hats I can't tell apart a lot of slack for keeping the old Ashkenazi bloodline going strong.
  62. Are we mourning the artistic loss of a comic book movie director?

    I think the world will keep turning.

    I want him gone even without the pedo jokes. Guardians of the Galaxy is a dumb, overrated movie and I look forward to the end of the franchise.

    Comic book movies wore out their welcome in 2012.

    I watched the Indian movies Bahaballi (however you spell it) recently and I’d much rather we do stuff like that. Stuff that is ridiculous but has a decent story and everyone can enjoy it. You could make interesting, light-hearted, special effects laden movies based off Ancient Greek or Norse gods and fables.

    Comic book movies prove how most Americans are permanently stuck in adolescence and have no sense of where they come from, or where they are going. Nobody even reads comics anymore but weirdos, the masses just like seeing men in tights crash into buildings around NYC.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Most movies are made for 15 year old boys. That seems to be the main demographic that H'wood shoots for, all over the world.

    I think there's still quite a few boomer dudes, like Steve, who enjoy going to movies because of the remembrance of joy from the experience in his youth. I understand this as I had some great experiences in movie theaters as a teen, but at some point we need to able to say,"This is all crap," and spend our time and money elsewhere. I suspect the movie-going population will continue to decline in the US.

    I know I hold a minority viewpoint here so feel free to criticize.
  63. Lot says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    I don't know much about Brian Kemp, except that I'm sure he's not the political reincarnation of Jack Kemp!

    Despite her bad policies like gun control, I like Abrams on a personal level. She published a bunch of romance novels under another name, still has student loans, speaks proper neutral American English, and has a good command of policy issues. I’d be happy to see her win a safe Dem house seat or Atlanta mayor after she loses this race.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Fair enough. As long as her contagion is bottled-up in lost-cause Atlanta or some safe rotten borough seat!
  64. @TheBoom
    Ped Club assumes it is an organized club with meetings and points of order. There are a lot of habits that are illegal or considered bad that are common in Hollywood. I imagine this is one of them or we wouldn't see so many celebrities tweeting pedophilia jokes nor would so many celebrities feeling comfortable coming to Gunn's defense as they did earlier to Polanski 's defense. After all, how many came to Roseanne 's defense? They know their career would suffer because voting for Trump is not viewed as moral in Hollywood

    When I was in middle school Michael Jackson pedo jokes were really common at school and on TV. It wasn’t edgy then.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Yeah, but at least where I lived people were laughing at Jackson not making the type of joke, as many in Hollywood have been doing, of celebrating child rape and molestation
  65. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Chutzpah, it seems, is not limited to Jews. Now, does this mean that these particular weirdos (like Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon) have actually done anything illegal? Not that we know of… yet. But these politically moralistic hypocrites are signaling some strange proclivities. So out the door some will go. Hey, in this #MeToo era, one can’t be too careful.

    If you haven’t guessed, I’m rollin’ with gang Schadenfreuder. 🙂

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    James Gunn says that he is Jewish.
  66. @TheBoom
    Ped Club assumes it is an organized club with meetings and points of order. There are a lot of habits that are illegal or considered bad that are common in Hollywood. I imagine this is one of them or we wouldn't see so many celebrities tweeting pedophilia jokes nor would so many celebrities feeling comfortable coming to Gunn's defense as they did earlier to Polanski 's defense. After all, how many came to Roseanne 's defense? They know their career would suffer because voting for Trump is not viewed as moral in Hollywood

    There was a lot of public nodding and winking about homosexuality in Hollywood when it was unacceptable to be gay. Now we see a lot of nodding and winking about pedophilia … it definitely makes one wonder.

  67. @Dave Pinsen
    The sucking is I think strictly a Haredi practice and an awful one at that, which has led to infants contracting herpes.

    I read a pretty convincing argument against circumcision a while back that argued that the current version is more extreme than what was practiced in biblical times.

    It is barbaric outside of a hospital performed by a doctor. But I give the various weird Jews-in-hats I can’t tell apart a lot of slack for keeping the old Ashkenazi bloodline going strong.

  68. Disney Consultation Service Ad

    [MORE]

    NSFW

    Elen Page rape scene (Super)

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E7Elgvqj05g/TYnsigmkrpI/AAAAAAAACTg/G1mOKKrB7X8/s1600/super+ped%253Adrug.jpg
  69. @Anon
    "employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    So to make a movie with kids you'd need a budget of a trillion dollars, and it would have to be filmed on a blue stage with adult actors in blue onesies festooned with tracking bulbs moving around like children. Then the dubbing and lip movement animation.

    "Mommy, why is that kid so ... creepy?! I wanna go home!" "It's just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about." "Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He's going to kill me!"

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”

    Get a load of this expensive cringefest:

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck
    Yes, totally grotesque. Freakishly large eyes may work in anime cartoons or photo-realistic portrayals of non-humans, but not when pasted onto an otherwise normal human figure.

    I see it's a James Cameron production, though. He's discussed his interest in the idea that large eyes promote feelings of empathy and connection with a character, and that he purposely employed them in Avatar for that reason. Maybe he's just gotten a little too obsessed with the idea for his own good.
    , @Sandmich
    Interesting. "Let's make a live action version of an anime, but we'll only 'live action' half of it...maybe"; pointless since the original work (unlike admittedly a lot of anime) is pretty watchable, if a bit dark.
    , @Simon
    Thanks for the preview. Cringefest is right! Alita looks even worse than Cameron's Avatar; it appears to be filmmaking by check list.
  70. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Chutzpah, it seems, is not limited to Jews. Now, does this mean that these particular weirdos (like Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon) have actually done anything illegal? Not that we know of… yet. But these politically moralistic hypocrites are signaling some strange proclivities. So out the door some will go. Hey, in this #MeToo era, one can’t be too careful.

    If you haven’t guessed, I’m rollin’ with gang Schadenfreuder. :)

    James Gunn says that he is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Jimi Shmendrix
    According to his Wikipedia page, he went to a Jesuit high school and is Roman Catholic.

    Nice try.
  71. Steve, your conclusion to “The Overlord of Oscar Bait” …

    In the past, CGI human depictions have often fallen into the “uncanny valley,” but skills are rapidly improving. Martin Scorsese is currently shooting a gangster film, The Irishman, for release in 2019. He intends to use CGI to “de-age” his cast of over-the-hill legends—Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci (coming out of retirement), Al Pacino, and Harvey Keitel—so they can play younger versions of themselves.

    … likely influenced my months-later comment (#27) speculating about a future “realistic-CGI movie revolution.” An auteur’s dream would be to use a device like the Memory Maker’s:

    Just keep it away from James Gunn and Dan Harmon, hahaha.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_and_pederast_advocacy_organizations#International

    I’m old enough to recall that, when NAMBLA first got coverage in the media in the 1970s, in the aftermath of the late 1960s Free Love era, the organization’s propaganda had a certain quality of being light-hearted and jokey in its advocacy, kinda “just another fun thing to try.”

    On the other hand, I don’t buy that the James Gunn incident reveals anything about a Ped Club in Hollywood. The gross-out pedo posts are well, gross, and well beyond the pale for me and many others— across partisan lines.

    FWIW, I got a slightly different perspective from a PiltdownRelative, whose full-time professional job at his organization is to counter online child pornography. He works closely with Federal law enforcement in Washington DC and police in a number of countries around the world, pretty much on a weekly basis, and has done so for the last ten years. Ped Clubs mostly went online and became virtual a long time ago. The networks are rarely local in nature anymore, and are often cross-border networks.

    He said that the posts, by themselves, are no red flag, though they would be, if Gunn were already under investigation for child sex abuse. But what’s problematic is Gunn’s reference to a possibly pedophile video mentioned by his friend, who was apparently convicted last month for possession of child pornography, and the internet rumor that Gunn had that video posted on his blog and has since taken it down.

    So there’s that.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Not a rumor he had the video in his blog. It was found on the way back machine website
    , @MEH 0910
    I believe the video was of a girls choir singing the Divinyls single "I Touch Myself", so it was just a pretend pedophile gag, haw, haw, haw.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5VNXIiv1c
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Remember all of the recent hoopla about abolishing ICE? I looked into what areas of enforcement they were tasked with beyond illegal immigration crimes, and one that jumped out at me was that they were also tasked with enforcement against child exploitation, stuff like pedophile rings, child prostitution, and child pornography.

    I didn't have much sympathy with the Abolish ICE crowd before, but when I saw that, as well as some of the other areas of responsibility in ICE's brief like fighting transnational crime, I completely lost any respect I might have previously had for this bunch as merely misguided humanitarians.

    You know, Jesus said that whatsoever you do unto children, you do that also to me. Some part of me wondered if these perverts actually get a charge out of thinking to themselves while they do this that in some sense they are sexually abusing Jesus, particularly priests and such who have no reason for not being aware of this. Truly Satanic destroying innocence. Child abusers, or even those who get a kick out of watching child pornography, should be removed from society forever.
  73. @Lot
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ABRz_epvic

    Despite her bad policies like gun control, I like Abrams on a personal level. She published a bunch of romance novels under another name, still has student loans, speaks proper neutral American English, and has a good command of policy issues. I'd be happy to see her win a safe Dem house seat or Atlanta mayor after she loses this race.

    Lot:

    Fair enough. As long as her contagion is bottled-up in lost-cause Atlanta or some safe rotten borough seat!

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    Will this hang in the White House someday?

    https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trumphand-757x1024.jpg

    More cricket than tennis, I’d say.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Cricket flannels, yes.
    , @MBlanc46
    Cricket flannels, yes.
  75. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    “Watching Unz’s decline has been sad more than anything.”

    Unz is like a prolific author who suddenly finds himself without an editor; it’s just stream of consciousness now. Also, a lot what Unz underwrote is now accepted in one form or another, so there isn’t the name need for him to underwrite others: HBD is basically fact for any intelligent person (although the masses are still banned from seeing it), antiwar conservatives exist, Sailer is here, other politically incorrect people are here, Karlin is pretty good…

    • Replies: @Lot
    Yes his writing style is very verbose and indirect, and unlikely to convince anyone of anything.

    On the other point, lots of intelligent people live their whole lives in nice suburbs with left-wing educators and culture, only exposed to a tiny curated slice of NAMs, and do not believe in genetic inequality, so I am not so optimistic.

    I enjoyed reading Karlin too, he kind of blended in with the Putinist nuts here at first, but he isn't one of them.
  76. @PiltdownMan

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_and_pederast_advocacy_organizations#International

    I'm old enough to recall that, when NAMBLA first got coverage in the media in the 1970s, in the aftermath of the late 1960s Free Love era, the organization's propaganda had a certain quality of being light-hearted and jokey in its advocacy, kinda "just another fun thing to try."

    On the other hand, I don't buy that the James Gunn incident reveals anything about a Ped Club in Hollywood. The gross-out pedo posts are well, gross, and well beyond the pale for me and many others— across partisan lines.

    FWIW, I got a slightly different perspective from a PiltdownRelative, whose full-time professional job at his organization is to counter online child pornography. He works closely with Federal law enforcement in Washington DC and police in a number of countries around the world, pretty much on a weekly basis, and has done so for the last ten years. Ped Clubs mostly went online and became virtual a long time ago. The networks are rarely local in nature anymore, and are often cross-border networks.

    He said that the posts, by themselves, are no red flag, though they would be, if Gunn were already under investigation for child sex abuse. But what's problematic is Gunn's reference to a possibly pedophile video mentioned by his friend, who was apparently convicted last month for possession of child pornography, and the internet rumor that Gunn had that video posted on his blog and has since taken it down.

    So there's that.

    Not a rumor he had the video in his blog. It was found on the way back machine website

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Thanks. I hadn't seen confirmation of the story, so I assumed it was an unconfirmed rumor.
    , @BB753
    Yes, Gunn retweeted a post by a convicted pedophile and friend Huddleston, which contained a link to a pedo video.
    And Gunn's former boss at Troma Productions, Lloyd Kaufman, who in bis own words took Gunn to a NAMBLA meeting, is friends with Tony Podesta, whose art collection consists mainly of pedo stuff.
  77. @Lot
    When I was in middle school Michael Jackson pedo jokes were really common at school and on TV. It wasn't edgy then.

    Yeah, but at least where I lived people were laughing at Jackson not making the type of joke, as many in Hollywood have been doing, of celebrating child rape and molestation

  78. I have a better idea. Let’s give up movies altogether, choosing instead to spend our recreation time learning and practicing skills our actual own ancestors had. And what the heck, let’s go whole hog and amuse ourselves telling and listening to our own genuine family, community, and ancestral stories.

    Admittedly I was raised by and among interesting and massively skilled men and women. But I lost the taste for casual or routine mediated entertainment about the time I realized that many of those I knew who could afford things I liked but I couldn’t, like multi-masted keelboats or trotting sulkys or mushing teams and sleds or opera companies or sky observatories, were delighted to share these in return for a work ethic/strong back and solid set of sea stories. Plus I had more modest things others loved but couldn’t afford, mostly related to ballistics and xylem.

  79. @Tim Howells


    (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood ...
     
    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes. That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.
     
    It's called hiding in plain sight. The arrogance of these people is indeed stunning. Cheering on Roman Polanski, just for example, while holding oneself up as the highest exemplar of morality. They are truly deranged. Put me down as a proud member of the Pizzagate crowd. If there is any other explanation for all those emails, Instagram posts, and "art" collections full of references to sadomasochistic occult practices centered around the abuse of small children, I would love to hear it.

    Normally, I dismiss things like pizzagate as overly melodramatic. However, reading the emails males me think it could be true especially when you add in spirit cooking found in the dump of DNC emails.

    This reminds me of the recent Daily Mail article where a woman who writes about devil worship claims that the prevalence of celebrities having black eyes is because they get them in a satanic ritual. May be complete nonsense. Maybe the fight club is real but I have not seen anyone with a black eye in years and have seldom seen one in real life. Weird that so many celebrities have them and primarily on the left eye.

    https://dailym.ai/2JEpldQ

  80. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.
     
    I was going to make this point. The casting couch was joked about for decades until it was revealed to have been true - a standard business practice in Hollywood. No one would be surprised if drugs are trafficked in Hollywood and the LAPD looks the other way. Power and money is corrupting, as is the ability to flout the law with impunity. Actors and people who surround actors tend to be some of the most broken, weirdest people on Earth. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they have appetites that include under-aged objects of desire and that it's the sort of thing that's an open secret with a veil of plausible deniability - everybody knows, no one not criminally implicated has "proof," but stories abound. None of this requires a formal "ring" with secret code words and a membership card. It could be handled like other illicit activities - I know a guy who knows a guy, and if there's a chance of getting caught fixers are deployed armed with cash and threats. Gunn's tweets may be evidence of nothing but bad taste and immaturity but it shouldn't be used as evidence of the absence of the abuse of children.
  81. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes
    Apparently lawyer-client confidentiality in New York state is dead. I would be ashamed to be an attorney there.

    Cohen recording his client with a covert pocket recorder

    Now I just know this plays right into some pernicious stereotype, just can’t remember which one….something about a certain kind of lawyer….wait a minute, it’ll come to me….

  82. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "If the races were reversed this would be on 24/7 with Trump taking the blame."

    TYT headline: SHOCKING! Racist White Man Horrifically Burns Black Babies. [VIDEO]

    The Hollywood ‘treatment’ is probably being written tonight.

  83. The obvious refutation of Cole’s “Don’t lower yourself to their level” recommendation is to point out that is the strategy used by the mainstream right for the past 90 years and look where we are.

    To paraphrase Buckley, the right has been standing athwart history yelling “Can’t we just be reasonable about this?” Followed regularly by the right hanging by its tighty-whiteys in the locker room of history.

    • LOL: JMcG
  84. @whyamihere
    If you don't think there's pedophilia in high places in Hollywood (as well as elite political classes), you are incredibly naïve.

    The paedo scandal in Britain seems to have been buried. Still it got high level entertainer Jimmy Savile, high level politicians ‘Lord’ Janner, Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith, as well as MI6 ‘diplomat’ Peter Hayman.

    • Replies: @BrokenSymmetry
    It went all the way to the very top (Edward Heath).
  85. People who have a fetish cannot resist talking about it.

  86. @whyamihere
    If you don't think there's pedophilia in high places in Hollywood (as well as elite political classes), you are incredibly naïve.

    I’m not a pizza-gater, and I skip over Rod Dreher’s stuff when he posts (endlessly) about Catholic clergy sex scandals (mostly ephebophilia), but yeah, there’s a minority there, in high places, that are child abusers. And strangely enough, I think there *is* a compulsion to Tweet about it, maybe in coded ways.

    No, I don’t think Gunn is a pedo. I do think they are out there, in high places, and crypto-Tweeting about it.

  87. Troma…that rang a bell. OF COURSE! The greatest movie ever!

  88. Anon[961] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I looked and I'm still in category 3.

    Cole thinks Gunn getting fired is bad because more people will self-censor now. But it's not as if Disney was going to be open to the right's ideas either way, so f' it, take the scalp.

    Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.

    Supposedly Gunn had a mountain of tweets about pedophilia. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about gayness, I assume he’s gay. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about pedophilia, I’m assume he’s a pedophile. I can imagine making wisecracks about a great many things, but it honestly wouldn’t occur to me to make jokes about pedophilia at all. This has nothing to do with the criminality of the subject. I have zero interest in having sex with children, so the whole pedophilia zeitgeist isn’t part of my mentality.

    People focus on and will return repeatedly to a subject that obsesses them. Gunn was obsessed.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    I obsess over communists and coffee, but I hope you'll believe me when I deny that I'm either.
    , @LondonBob
    Yes, they weren't jokes about Michael Jackson, something quite different.

    A friend of my brother is a prison pyschiatrist, he can see the humanity in even murderers, peadophiles though are like a different species. Even amongst the prison populace 'nonces' are the lowest of the low.
  89. An important distinction between Gunn and Roseanne is that she was fired for something she wrote recently while he was fired for something that he wrote years ago. Gunn seems to have matured a bit since he wrote those offensive things while Roseanne has not.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    Roseanne was fired because she said something that could be construed as racist when she didn't intend it to be because she didn't know Jarett was black. She quickly apologized when it was pointed out. In reality, she was fired because she said a few nice things about Trump and the tweet was simply a convenient reason.

    Gunn made an extreme number of pedo "joke" tweets. Not a couple, a lot. He was in his 40's making the jokes. He wasn't some teenager. He simply realized he should stop making them on social media.
    , @Bernie
    Roseanne was fired for "racism" though there was no racism. She thought Jarrett was white.

    Schaudenfreude -- but lots more of it, please. Just like many whites have no idea how deeply blacks hate them, rightists like Cole have no idea how deeply leftists hate them (us). They have never and will never give us the benefit of the doubt. Only power and fear will stop them.
  90. @Anon
    "employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    So to make a movie with kids you'd need a budget of a trillion dollars, and it would have to be filmed on a blue stage with adult actors in blue onesies festooned with tracking bulbs moving around like children. Then the dubbing and lip movement animation.

    "Mommy, why is that kid so ... creepy?! I wanna go home!" "It's just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about." "Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He's going to kill me!"

    “Mommy, I want the kid being friends-hugged by the demonic tranny to be someone real!”

  91. Pedophilia-
    There may not be a secret cabal of rich folks meeting in the basement of pizza shops, but there is obviously something there. Even without putting any effort into researching it, I can think of:

    Roman Polanski, who is feted by the glitterati even today,
    Corey Feldman, who’s schtick of accusations but lack of details is admittedly getting old,
    Michael Jackson,
    Jeffrey Epstein-even the publically, easily available information on Wikipedia (you can look at it right now) has all the makings of a weird coverup.

    There’s a legitimate question here: why aren’t these people shunned in the way they would if they, say, questioned affirmative action, or admitted to voting for Reagan? The response relative to the accusations is so out of balance, something must be happening. Again, there’s no reason to believe it proves that everybody is in on it-more likely, it proves that everybody (in that circle) doesn’t really care that its going on.

    Its probably what the Catholic Church looked like in, say, 1991. Not every bishop or cardinal can be plausibly accused of sexual misconduct, but the Church’s response to widespread sexual misconduct (like Merryl Streep’s response to Roman Polanski) indicates either an institutional problem or a lack of understanding that there is a problem-both of which are themselves serious problems.

    joe

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Its probably what the Catholic Church looked like in, say, 1991. Not every bishop or cardinal can be plausibly accused of sexual misconduct, but the Church’s response to widespread sexual misconduct (like Merryl Streep’s response to Roman Polanski) indicates either an institutional problem or a lack of understanding that there is a problem-both of which are themselves serious problems.
     
    The Church came to be infested with homosexuals as priests, to the point that they gained sufficient institutional power to marginalize and expel heterosexual men in the priesthood in certain dioceses. They promoted one another, and have compromising information on one another. Despite politically correct protestations to the contrary, there aren't bright lines as to where homosexual sexuality ends and ephebophilia and pedophilia begin. Again, in spite of political correct dictates, homosexuals aren't the sort of people you would want to charge with the responsibility to police and sanction deviant sexuality if your object was to arrest this behavior.

    Now, can you say that homosexuals don't have vast institutional power far beyond their numbers in Hollywood and the entertainment industry? Why wouldn't a similar dynamic prevail in Hollywood?
  92. When the biopic is made, will it be “Naked Gunn 3 1/2”?

    Just aksin’.

    Anyway, on the abolition of child actors, I’d agree. The first identified occupational disease

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimney_sweeps%27_carcinoma

    was gruesome. The effects of a childhood in Hollywood may scar and disfigure in other ways.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  93. @MEH 0910

    Disney Consultation Service Ad
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvrA0ydf8y8


    NSFW

    Elen Page rape scene (Super)
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbYr4nNucAA

  94. Suspected Taki turning into a Cuck rags when they got rid of comments. Steve another one – poo pooing it as a way to normalize it?

    Nail pedo scalps to the wall.

  95. @Dwright
    Put me in category three. As for Cole’s position, I couldn’t care less. Not looking.

    Kurt Schlichter said it well (category 3) in his most recent column.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Kurt Schlichter writes like a teenager. So does David Cole. So do I, for that matter, though I have the excuse of having been one much more recently than either. Whatever happened to conservatives being the mature ones in the room?
  96. @Anon
    Supposedly Gunn had a mountain of tweets about pedophilia. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about gayness, I assume he's gay. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about pedophilia, I'm assume he's a pedophile. I can imagine making wisecracks about a great many things, but it honestly wouldn't occur to me to make jokes about pedophilia at all. This has nothing to do with the criminality of the subject. I have zero interest in having sex with children, so the whole pedophilia zeitgeist isn't part of my mentality.

    People focus on and will return repeatedly to a subject that obsesses them. Gunn was obsessed.

    I obsess over communists and coffee, but I hope you’ll believe me when I deny that I’m either.

  97. @Thursday
    I'm with the schadenfreude people. The left is never going to stop. Being "principled" and asking the left to please, please stop being so mean, accomplishes nothing. So, we might as well take a few of them with us.

    Agreed. It’s not something I’ve ever wanted to see, but it’s never going to recede until enough of the people pushing all of this insanity get bit on the backside by it.

  98. @Anon
    Supposedly Gunn had a mountain of tweets about pedophilia. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about gayness, I assume he's gay. If I hear a guy talking relentlessly about pedophilia, I'm assume he's a pedophile. I can imagine making wisecracks about a great many things, but it honestly wouldn't occur to me to make jokes about pedophilia at all. This has nothing to do with the criminality of the subject. I have zero interest in having sex with children, so the whole pedophilia zeitgeist isn't part of my mentality.

    People focus on and will return repeatedly to a subject that obsesses them. Gunn was obsessed.

    Yes, they weren’t jokes about Michael Jackson, something quite different.

    A friend of my brother is a prison pyschiatrist, he can see the humanity in even murderers, peadophiles though are like a different species. Even amongst the prison populace ‘nonces’ are the lowest of the low.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Well, everyone likes to feel superior to other people. Prisoners are considered subhuman by most people, at least in the US, so it's understandable why that 1% would want to find a subgroup of prisoners whom they can feel superior to. Pedos fit the bill.

    As for murderers, some are non-sociopaths with a bad temper and poor impulse control. But I imagine most are sociopaths. Certainly many are.
  99. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1021926239756537857


    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1021935655574810624

    What do you guys think about the tape that came out today?

    Insofar as it affects my support for Trump, I could not care less. He would have to shoot someone in the middle of Manhattan for him to lose my support and, even then, I would never vote for a Dem.

  100. @TheBoom
    Not a rumor he had the video in his blog. It was found on the way back machine website

    Thanks. I hadn’t seen confirmation of the story, so I assumed it was an unconfirmed rumor.

  101. @God Emperor Putin
    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.

    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.

    I was going to make this point. The casting couch was joked about for decades until it was revealed to have been true – a standard business practice in Hollywood. No one would be surprised if drugs are trafficked in Hollywood and the LAPD looks the other way. Power and money is corrupting, as is the ability to flout the law with impunity. Actors and people who surround actors tend to be some of the most broken, weirdest people on Earth. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that they have appetites that include under-aged objects of desire and that it’s the sort of thing that’s an open secret with a veil of plausible deniability – everybody knows, no one not criminally implicated has “proof,” but stories abound. None of this requires a formal “ring” with secret code words and a membership card. It could be handled like other illicit activities – I know a guy who knows a guy, and if there’s a chance of getting caught fixers are deployed armed with cash and threats. Gunn’s tweets may be evidence of nothing but bad taste and immaturity but it shouldn’t be used as evidence of the absence of the abuse of children.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well said. I think the point often missed is the relation to the power structure. In a society in decline, pedophilia is an effective method for forming ad-hoc oligarchies to gain power in an unstable powet system. With a hieratchy based on natural authority this wouldn't be necessary.

    Detractors say it's ridiculous to posit a pedo mafia, but this is conceivably more decentralized than that, and it would make sense they signal to one another.
    , @JMcG
    Don Henley is Exhibit A. Caught with two drugged underage girls. I think the girls were charged with more serious offenses than he was. Anyone notice any effect on his career?
    He still has the temerity to lecture us on how good men should behave. I wouldn’t p**s on him if he were burning to death.
  102. @Anonymous
    Is it possible that powerful people can grow so powerful, and their practices become so widespread among them, that they lose sight of the legal and moral rules that apply to ordinary people?

    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn’t natural. It isn’t funny. It’s disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.

    There was a scene in The Expanse where they were trying to get some information out of a scientist who was a mental case and only cared about his work. They couldn’t get anything until one character talked him up about his work. He pointed out the guy was like a pedo. They couldn’t help but talk about it if you seemed interested.

    • Replies: @Rod1963

    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn’t natural. It isn’t funny. It’s disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.
     
    It was Dan Harmon(and he looks like a creep would molest a pet rock)

    You're right in that the material isn't natural or funny. Most would find it very sick and some would want to curb stomp Harmon into a bloody pulp. Yet the urban sophisticates of Hollywood think nothing of it.

    If these pedo jokes aren't found offensive I cannot help but think there must be a lot of this sort of talk or worse going on behind closed doors.

    I think of Jimmy Savile in England, his buggery was covered up by the elites for decades, he was allowed to prey on young people at will. The fact they protected him, points to them probably engaging in the same acts themselves.
  103. @joeyjoejoe
    Pedophilia-
    There may not be a secret cabal of rich folks meeting in the basement of pizza shops, but there is obviously something there. Even without putting any effort into researching it, I can think of:

    Roman Polanski, who is feted by the glitterati even today,
    Corey Feldman, who's schtick of accusations but lack of details is admittedly getting old,
    Michael Jackson,
    Jeffrey Epstein-even the publically, easily available information on Wikipedia (you can look at it right now) has all the makings of a weird coverup.

    There's a legitimate question here: why aren't these people shunned in the way they would if they, say, questioned affirmative action, or admitted to voting for Reagan? The response relative to the accusations is so out of balance, something must be happening. Again, there's no reason to believe it proves that everybody is in on it-more likely, it proves that everybody (in that circle) doesn't really care that its going on.

    Its probably what the Catholic Church looked like in, say, 1991. Not every bishop or cardinal can be plausibly accused of sexual misconduct, but the Church's response to widespread sexual misconduct (like Merryl Streep's response to Roman Polanski) indicates either an institutional problem or a lack of understanding that there is a problem-both of which are themselves serious problems.


    joe

    Its probably what the Catholic Church looked like in, say, 1991. Not every bishop or cardinal can be plausibly accused of sexual misconduct, but the Church’s response to widespread sexual misconduct (like Merryl Streep’s response to Roman Polanski) indicates either an institutional problem or a lack of understanding that there is a problem-both of which are themselves serious problems.

    The Church came to be infested with homosexuals as priests, to the point that they gained sufficient institutional power to marginalize and expel heterosexual men in the priesthood in certain dioceses. They promoted one another, and have compromising information on one another. Despite politically correct protestations to the contrary, there aren’t bright lines as to where homosexual sexuality ends and ephebophilia and pedophilia begin. Again, in spite of political correct dictates, homosexuals aren’t the sort of people you would want to charge with the responsibility to police and sanction deviant sexuality if your object was to arrest this behavior.

    Now, can you say that homosexuals don’t have vast institutional power far beyond their numbers in Hollywood and the entertainment industry? Why wouldn’t a similar dynamic prevail in Hollywood?

  104. @LondonBob
    The paedo scandal in Britain seems to have been buried. Still it got high level entertainer Jimmy Savile, high level politicians 'Lord' Janner, Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith, as well as MI6 'diplomat' Peter Hayman.

    It went all the way to the very top (Edward Heath).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    , @Anonym
    This guy is quite high up too.

    https://36s81n24kn0c1i9se62v6acw-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Jimmy-Savile-and-Prince-Charles.jpg

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2012/11/24/the-prince-and-the-pedophile-what-are-charles-connections-to-jimmy-savile-obe/

    Smoke? Fire? You decide.
  105. @PiltdownMan

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_and_pederast_advocacy_organizations#International

    I'm old enough to recall that, when NAMBLA first got coverage in the media in the 1970s, in the aftermath of the late 1960s Free Love era, the organization's propaganda had a certain quality of being light-hearted and jokey in its advocacy, kinda "just another fun thing to try."

    On the other hand, I don't buy that the James Gunn incident reveals anything about a Ped Club in Hollywood. The gross-out pedo posts are well, gross, and well beyond the pale for me and many others— across partisan lines.

    FWIW, I got a slightly different perspective from a PiltdownRelative, whose full-time professional job at his organization is to counter online child pornography. He works closely with Federal law enforcement in Washington DC and police in a number of countries around the world, pretty much on a weekly basis, and has done so for the last ten years. Ped Clubs mostly went online and became virtual a long time ago. The networks are rarely local in nature anymore, and are often cross-border networks.

    He said that the posts, by themselves, are no red flag, though they would be, if Gunn were already under investigation for child sex abuse. But what's problematic is Gunn's reference to a possibly pedophile video mentioned by his friend, who was apparently convicted last month for possession of child pornography, and the internet rumor that Gunn had that video posted on his blog and has since taken it down.

    So there's that.

    I believe the video was of a girls choir singing the Divinyls single “I Touch Myself“, so it was just a pretend pedophile gag, haw, haw, haw.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Still, the guy, Huddleston, went on to be convicted of child porn posession. Kiddie pictures and such.
    If you don't believe the entertainment business has a pedo problem, google Dan Schneider, Victor Salva, Bryan Singer, etc. The list goes on and on. And most of them are all related in some way. And to politicians in Washington.
    Remember Hastert, Lawrence King?
    , @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for clearing that up. I looked up the news items. Looks like someone figured out the innocuous explanation and tweeted out a message saying that that's what it was, rather than a link to the wayback page. The closeness to Huddleston remains, but we don't do guilt by association.

    Its fair to say, though, that a lot of peoples' antennae are up, here at iSteve.

  106. @Anon
    "My personal view has long been that employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two"

    What do you mean by under age? Under 18 or just really young like under 12? Because if it is the former, then a ton of good movies that have been made would never have seen the light of day. I think child actors are fine as long as their parents consent and there is proper security on set (all child actors should have an assistant to watch over them at all times, if not their parents).

    Sadly, that won’t work. The security will either be in the pocket of studio or it will be staffed with the people who see it as there chance at the buffet.

    With good parents, like Shirley Temple had, it would work. But too many of them are starstruck and willing to have anything done to their kids for the big shot. Look at the Nasser case at MSU. Sure little Debbie said Nasser did inappropriate things to her. Yet Mom and Dad kept sending her because it was her shot at the Olympics.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Right, And the 13 yo that Polanski drugged and butt raped was dropped off by her mother.
  107. Jokes about rape, pedophilia, and trannies. Note that I said the word “jokes.” Are they funny? Not to me. …

    Not that there’s anything right with that . . .

  108. @BrokenSymmetry
    It went all the way to the very top (Edward Heath).

    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right’s desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    • Replies: @notanon
    they want the age of consent lowered to 12-13 (at least) - saying little kids can consent to gender reassignment is a knight's move
    , @Anonymous
    To be fair there was a serious intellectual movement to legalize/normalize pedophilia in the 60s and 70s.

    https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/danger.htm

    Child porn was actually legal in a few Scandinavian countries (Denmark and Sweden, I think?) for a period; most of the extant child porn today was produced in that milieu.

    The left abandoned this presumably after realizing that it was simply too offensive to the sensibilities of average people (also the same reason they gave up the overtly hostile anti-military rhetoric of the 60s, I think). And then you had the "Satanic daycare" witch hunts of the 80s and 90s, presumably a mass psychic reaction to the excesses of the 70s.

    But I agree, pedophilia is not a "live" issue in American politics today, although transgenderism, at least to the extent it advocates letting freaks like this use women's restrooms, may be coming at the same thing from a different angle...

    https://i.redd.it/jshb77a1576z.jpg
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.
     
    The order may be out of whack but I think winnowing away at the taboos and prohibitions against adult on child sexual contact may be inevitable.

    We're already in a place in which it is not really all that controversial to administer hormone blockers to children and convince them of the need to mutilate their genitals and take sex hormones. This was unthinkable maybe six years ago.

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of "consent" even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.

    I submit that there's a Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy - just because A does not consequentially lead to B by formal deductive processes doesn't mean that in human affairs and politics A will not inevitably lead to B through Z and eventually dipping into the Greek Alphabet.
    , @LondonBob
    Greville Janner was Labour, Cyril Smith Liberal and Leon Brittan Conservative, all front rank politicians.

    Here is an interesting and considered piece on politics and paedophilia by former diplomat Craig Murray.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/10/paedophilia-and-politicians/

    Of course I forgot Lucien Freud.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/elm-guest-house/

    , @Tex

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.
     
    But what comes after WWT? I think WWP is in the opening stages. There have been some tentative attempts to normalize pedos in certain narrative-dominated outlets. IIRC Salon had a series about a "virtuous pedophile", quickly pulled after the Milo scandal. TED Talks featured a woman bemoaning the fate of a pedo who was unable to celebrate his love in public.

    It's a ripple, perhaps just noise. But at what point did bathroom usage go from being an obscure and laughable dilemma to being a national crisis?
    , @James Kabala
    The main thing I get from the Gunn controversy (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser) is that there are people out there for whom pedophilia occupies a large portion of their head space. Maybe not without reason, considering the scandals in the Church, at Penn State, etc., but some people take it to an excessive level. Sometimes it comes out as these bizarre jokes, and sometimes it comes out as an obsessive search for pedophiles under every rock. If Gunn and Black were on the right (but otherwise had more or less the same personality and character), they would not be normal people who rarely think about pedophilia, they would be leading the Pizzagate mob.
    , @L Woods
    Advocacy for pedophillia will put the left in conflict with feminists, who want to keep teenaged girls off-limits. Of course, when intersectionality clashes, womyn usually lose.
  109. Is this OT or simply another chapter in the same American story? Here’s a middle American patriotard being mocked by both Brooklyn and Hollywood in one clip:

    Truly we are living in a golden age!

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    In all fairness, it’s his fault and I don’t feel sorry for the people who got duped by Cohen’s Mossad character. First of all the makeup isn’t that good so you can tell he’s wearing a mask. Second, I doubt they would have been so easily bamboozled by a fake Russian or German or Swede or Turk the fact that he was able to convince this guy to act like such a maniac stems solely from Republican/middle American/evangelical worship of Israel.
  110. @Dave Pinsen
    I looked and I'm still in category 3.

    Cole thinks Gunn getting fired is bad because more people will self-censor now. But it's not as if Disney was going to be open to the right's ideas either way, so f' it, take the scalp.

    Cole did have an interesting explanation for the pedo jokes though: since the left made women, racial minorities, etc. off-limits, kids were the remaining way for lefties to demonstrate their edginess.

    Kids are fair game then. What happened to not punching down?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Good people don't punch down. Most people punch down then find rationalizations for how they're not punching down.
  111. @TheBoom
    Not a rumor he had the video in his blog. It was found on the way back machine website

    Yes, Gunn retweeted a post by a convicted pedophile and friend Huddleston, which contained a link to a pedo video.
    And Gunn’s former boss at Troma Productions, Lloyd Kaufman, who in bis own words took Gunn to a NAMBLA meeting, is friends with Tony Podesta, whose art collection consists mainly of pedo stuff.

  112. @Joe Walker
    An important distinction between Gunn and Roseanne is that she was fired for something she wrote recently while he was fired for something that he wrote years ago. Gunn seems to have matured a bit since he wrote those offensive things while Roseanne has not.

    Roseanne was fired because she said something that could be construed as racist when she didn’t intend it to be because she didn’t know Jarett was black. She quickly apologized when it was pointed out. In reality, she was fired because she said a few nice things about Trump and the tweet was simply a convenient reason.

    Gunn made an extreme number of pedo “joke” tweets. Not a couple, a lot. He was in his 40’s making the jokes. He wasn’t some teenager. He simply realized he should stop making them on social media.

  113. @MEH 0910
    I believe the video was of a girls choir singing the Divinyls single "I Touch Myself", so it was just a pretend pedophile gag, haw, haw, haw.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5VNXIiv1c

    Still, the guy, Huddleston, went on to be convicted of child porn posession. Kiddie pictures and such.
    If you don’t believe the entertainment business has a pedo problem, google Dan Schneider, Victor Salva, Bryan Singer, etc. The list goes on and on. And most of them are all related in some way. And to politicians in Washington.
    Remember Hastert, Lawrence King?

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?
  114. first point – if you read around, it looks to me like Gunn was raped as a teen and his tweets mostly reflect that and his (probably repressed) urges to do it to someone else imo

    #

    (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood.

    human nature pretty much guarantees there are elite pedophile rings – pedophile not so much in the sexual sense but pedophile in the sense of sociopaths getting high on transgression and the feeling of power gained from getting away with transgression – child rape / torture is the ultimate transgression.

    Hollywood, DC, UN in New York, EU in Brussels etc are guaranteed to be epicenters of these things.

    (i don’t think Gunn’s tweets relates to this except in terms of their defending him)

    #

    (2) The Moralists. Their deal is, “Rape jokes are never funny! Pedo jokes are never funny! Firing Gunn was the right call.”

    the slippery slope is correct – partly cos edgy humor makes people laugh and as tolerance pushes back the edge so society is inevitably drawn closer to hell.

    even if there is no objective morality society needs to pretend there is as a wall between society and the devil.

    #

    (3) The Schadenfreuders. “The bastard got what he deserved for cheering when the same thing happened to Roseanne. Maybe if enough lefties suffer because of these witch hunts, they’ll finally stop doing it to us.”

    the power of the media to bully everyone with PC is proportional to their moral authority

    destroying their moral authority destroys their power

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    destroying their moral authority destroys their power

     

    Exactly!

    "Die Strahlen der Sonne
    Vertreiben die Nacht.
    Zernichtet der Heuchler
    Erschlichene Macht."
  115. @TheBoom

    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes
     
    Steve another way of looking at this is why would so many celebrities feel free to make child rape and molestation jokes? (Gunn is just one example.)

    The only answer I can come up with is that pedophilia is common in Hollywood and practiced by the elite there. In any other industry, a high profile exec tweeting about how he or she likes to bang infants would likely be career suicide and I can't imagine pedophiles in those other fields doing it.

    Plus, what kind of person thinks molesting and raping children is funny? I have known a good number of people who used humor to show they were edgy and I used to work in the minor leagues of the entertainment industry. Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.

    Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.

    imo

    pedophiles make subtle jokes/comments as a way of signalling to other pedophiles but they keep it subtle for obvious reasons

    more blatant “jokes” and comments are more a sign of having been abused

    there’s a trend for edgy comedians to make pedophile jokes cos the edge of acceptable humor has been both pushed back so far (sexually) and so restricted (everything else)

    this last is supported and promoted by elite pedophiles in the media cos making it acceptable to joke about pedophilia helps to normalize it – and to anyone paying attention it is clear the media are trying to normalize pedophilia .

  116. @Clifford Brown
    I admire James Gunn's work. He is extremely intelligent and talented, and it would be a shame if he was purged over these disgusting, but likely non-criminal tweets. I support both social shaming, but also tolerance. Social shaming serves a purpose in a society and I see nothing wrong with shaming lazy and unnecessary pedophilia jokes OUT of the culture. I am not saying that there might not be a time and place for an occasional joke, but it should be highly taboo. I like taboos. Healthy and functioning societies have taboos for good reason. Tell these jokes at some alternative comedy space in Echo Park or at 2:00 in the morning at the Comedy Store. They have no place in the public discourse on Twitter.

    So while I don't support purges, I also support taboos. So be edgy, but don't cry about it when there is push back...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdz5SPgz4o

    This has nothing to do with pushback against traditional taboo behavior. The tweets were out there for years. People at Disney knew that Gunn had these sensibilities (either as a pedo or a creepy humorist, or both). And they knew this for years. That’s supposedly the taboo behavior. And Disney did not care. [Nor did Twitter, btw.]

    Until…

    Gunn got called out. Then Disney cared–a lot.

    So don’t get confused: The ‘Taboo’ isn’t pedophilia (at worst), nor inappropriate jokes. No, the taboo is bad publicity. Nothing more. Nothing less.

  117. @Steve Sailer
    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.

    Sorry to pile on, but back in the days when marijuana was illegal, Hollywood products had almost de rigueur references to pot smoking, which at the time sure looked like signalling that they were in the semi-secret 4-20 Cool Kids Club since the references were usually unrelated to the plot. And retrospectively we can see that was indeed the case, as in the relaxed post-Obama environment lots of Hollywood pot smoke has come out of the closet, so to speak.

    Now I’m supposed to think that the current crop of forced pedo references mean nothing at all, and all that 420 stuff back in the day was just marijuana teetotalers throwing pointless pot references into their work because … because … when you are making laborious multi-million dollar products you definitely want to waste screen time subtly advocating for illegal activity of no interest to yourself.

  118. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thursday
    I'm with the schadenfreude people. The left is never going to stop. Being "principled" and asking the left to please, please stop being so mean, accomplishes nothing. So, we might as well take a few of them with us.

    The whole difference between category 3 and 4 is magical thinking. It does not matter whether we are personally happy or sad to see Gunn fired. Since we are not the ones who fired him, we can state our views, whatever those are and with whatever nuances may attach, with no hypocrisy at all, and our emotional state is entirely irrelevant; it will not have any effect on the world.

  119. Who, exactly, decided that Mike Cernovich is “everyone’s favourite alt right troll”?

    That honour goes to Andrew Anglin.

    Cernovich is kosher approved “alt right”.

  120. @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    they want the age of consent lowered to 12-13 (at least) – saying little kids can consent to gender reassignment is a knight’s move

  121. Who is this Cole guy? He should be fired from whatever he does for posting an offensively dumb take.

    This is an easy winning issue for us and everyone should be going hard. The enemy is literally taking the side of pedophiles.

    That many “right wing” personalities like (((Ben Shapiro))) are not just downplaying it but telling their audiences to back off is alarming.

    They say tweeting rap lyrics when you’re 17 is inexcusable, but we should give a pass to tweeting about rape of infants? Come the fuck on.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Shapiro is a nasty piece of work(morally and intellectually bankrupt as well) and I wonder what his sexual peccadilloes are. The thing is normal guys would never find these baby rape jokes funny. What they would do, is probably kick Gunn's and Harmon's asses if they did say it in front of them.

    No one except a closet pedo would defend these two sickos.

    I've been a blue collar for most of my work career and worked with some very rough men and NOT ONCE did any of them every make the jokes that Gunn and others do in Hollywood.
  122. @MEH 0910
    I believe the video was of a girls choir singing the Divinyls single "I Touch Myself", so it was just a pretend pedophile gag, haw, haw, haw.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5VNXIiv1c

    Thanks for clearing that up. I looked up the news items. Looks like someone figured out the innocuous explanation and tweeted out a message saying that that’s what it was, rather than a link to the wayback page. The closeness to Huddleston remains, but we don’t do guilt by association.

    Its fair to say, though, that a lot of peoples’ antennae are up, here at iSteve.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  123. @Anon
    "employing underage children as actors in movies and TV is something we should probably choose to move beyond as a society over the next decade or two"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    So to make a movie with kids you'd need a budget of a trillion dollars, and it would have to be filmed on a blue stage with adult actors in blue onesies festooned with tracking bulbs moving around like children. Then the dubbing and lip movement animation.

    "Mommy, why is that kid so ... creepy?! I wanna go home!" "It's just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about." "Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He's going to kill me!"

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!

    When I was a kid, I hated movies about kids, or even movies wherein kids featured prominently. I wanted to watch movies about grown-ups doing interesting grown-up things.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "When I was a kid, I hated movies about kids, or even movies wherein kids featured prominently. I wanted to watch movies about grown-ups doing interesting grown-up things."

    I suspect you might be remembering your 'big kid' days (i.e- 12+) and ignoring (or forgetting) your younger years. But I could be wrong.

    Younger kids love this stuff. And they have the same pattern you mention, craving movies/books, etc. about those a little older. Toddlers like movies/tv shows/books about kindergartners. Young elementary school kids like movies/tv shows/books about older elementary kids and middle schoolers, but tend to stay away from stuff about younger kids. Middle schoolers eat up stuff about high schoolers, high schoolers eat up stuff about college 'kids', etc.

    I suspect in a way we're probably all primed towards this sort of thing, maybe paying attention to the 'older kids' is a way to learn how to fit into society as you go along; whereas emulating younger kids is usually counterproductive. Maybe it never goes away. I find as I get older I could give two sh*ts about what's popular with the Millenials.

  124. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    To be fair there was a serious intellectual movement to legalize/normalize pedophilia in the 60s and 70s.

    https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/danger.htm

    Child porn was actually legal in a few Scandinavian countries (Denmark and Sweden, I think?) for a period; most of the extant child porn today was produced in that milieu.

    The left abandoned this presumably after realizing that it was simply too offensive to the sensibilities of average people (also the same reason they gave up the overtly hostile anti-military rhetoric of the 60s, I think). And then you had the “Satanic daycare” witch hunts of the 80s and 90s, presumably a mass psychic reaction to the excesses of the 70s.

    But I agree, pedophilia is not a “live” issue in American politics today, although transgenderism, at least to the extent it advocates letting freaks like this use women’s restrooms, may be coming at the same thing from a different angle…

    • Replies: @BB753
    Dude, Transexclusive Radical Feminists (TERFs) are so bigoted to exclude such a charming, feminine and feminist creature from their midst! And so mean!
  125. @Tim Howells


    (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood ...
     
    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes. That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.
     
    It's called hiding in plain sight. The arrogance of these people is indeed stunning. Cheering on Roman Polanski, just for example, while holding oneself up as the highest exemplar of morality. They are truly deranged. Put me down as a proud member of the Pizzagate crowd. If there is any other explanation for all those emails, Instagram posts, and "art" collections full of references to sadomasochistic occult practices centered around the abuse of small children, I would love to hear it.

    A lot of the secret-society/illuminati stuff just seems loopy. It’s just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message. Hell, it’s almost impossible to get any three people to agree what to order on a pizza.

    And yet,………………

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-month-1117/

    What’s up with the one-eyed thing? And, to a lesser extent, the devil-horns.

    At the very least, there might almost seem to be some kind of sinister conspiracy among fashion photographers.

    And the Podesta brothers, and their sick tastes in “art” are just straight-up creepy.

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    Steve Sailer said:

    That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.
     
    Mr. Anon said:

    It’s just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message.
     
    You see the problem here, and I emphasize that these are both very common arguments for dismissing these kinds of things out of hand. There are still taboos against discussing the Kennedy assassinations, or the 911 attacks, but I have never in my life seen anything remotely like the taboo against discussing elite pedophile rings. The Marc Dutroux case is probably the most illuminating, in many respects, since there were massive public protests in Belgium that shut the country down for a few days, yet the Belgian elites carried on with the most outrageous coverup imaginable, and nothing could be done.

    There's a decent BBC documentary about this, although at the very time they made this, the BBC was employing and covering up for Jimmy Savile!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0DB7qhI7c
  126. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “Who is this Cole guy? He should be fired from whatever he does for posting an offensively dumb take.”

    He’s under the impression that we are doing ourselves a favor by standing up for the rights of these people, that if we do nothing we’ll end up like Europe with speech codes. He’s wrong, of course. We’re fast approaching European levels of censorship anyway, except it hasn’t been codified yet, so we have nothing to lose. We have an extensive list of things we can’t say, jokes that can’t be told, views we aren’t allowed to have, all policed by the leftist media. The left digs up dirt on its enemies and gets them fired, they doxx people, they sick Twitter mobs on people for wrong think…and they’ve been doing this for years now. The only way these witch hunts will end: mutually assured destruction.

  127. @TTSSYF
    Kurt Schlichter said it well (category 3) in his most recent column.

    Kurt Schlichter writes like a teenager. So does David Cole. So do I, for that matter, though I have the excuse of having been one much more recently than either. Whatever happened to conservatives being the mature ones in the room?

    • Replies: @CAL2
    Deep philosophical treatises on whatever subject don't move people. One hundred page policy papers don't move people. The right did that and they lost. Having the moral high ground and playing for keeps is what it takes. Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man.
  128. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    “In reality, she was fired because she said a few nice things about Trump and the tweet was simply a convenient reason.”

    Exactly. Leftists were trying to get her fired long before those tweets. In particular, they dug up an old holocaust joke/skit she once partook in and paraded it around on social media; Barr is Jewish. Goose/gander. The only difference is that what Gunn said was much worse, so Disney didn’t have a choice after setting the precedent with Rosanne.

  129. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    “There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.”

    Yeah, but what’s after that? Salon ran a couple of articles a few years ago by a pedophile. Doesn’t seem so unrealistic that they might try again, at least to remove/reduce criminal penalties for offenders. Absolute power does strange things to people and we are soon entering an era where democrats will have a permanent ruling majority due to their treason on immigration.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Which Party's politicians are more likely to get caught in Pedo scandals: Republicans or Democrats?

    My guess: Republicans (e.g., Hastert), rather than Democrats (Pelosi).

    Why? Because more Republican politicians are men.

  130. “Sadly, that won’t work.”

    It has so far. Was anyone raped on the set of E.T.?

  131. Guys if Hollywood goes down the value of steves house is going to nose dive. Steve’s never hidden the fact that he will happily shill for the local industry. Gotta keep property values high.

  132. Two things:

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment. This morning I get up and get on the blog before seven o’clock. Yet there are already over a hundred and twenty comments posted. I could just scroll down through page after page to get to the bottom. Or I could post my remarks as a pseudo-reply to one of the first few postings. Not optimum.

    2. There are a couple scientific scandals. One of course is Global Warming. The debate is seldom honest and rational. Then there is the even more dishonest and irrational issue of blacks in America. No one is allowed to just state the simple truths. Finally there is the whole field of homosexuality and pedophilia.

    I once was a soldier in Nixon’s War on Cancer. We failed of course but at least we tried. Why is there no War on Gayness? Homosexuality is probably a disease. It is possibly a parasitic disease. Or maybe it’s not a disease but something entirely different. I don’t know, but why don’t I know?

    When I read about a drug I’ve never heard of or a new dinosaur skeleton – I look it up usually in Wikipedia. So when I read about this Hollywood director being gay and a pedophile I would like to research it a little. But of course no one is allowed to study these matters.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    JayMan has a good roundup of Greg Cochran's posts on his gay germ hypothesis:

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/
    , @res

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment.
     
    Does your keyboard have an "End" key? Mine is right by "Page Down" (with another on the numeric keypad). That's what I use. And it is a big help. Home and End also give quick access to the previous and next post hyperlinks.
    , @Anon
    When you click on the link to the comments at the top of the page (it should take you here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/james-gunn/#comments) you will see at the top of that page a button saying "Leave a comment". Click it and you should be able to leave a general (non-reply) comment.
  133. @LondonBob
    Yes, they weren't jokes about Michael Jackson, something quite different.

    A friend of my brother is a prison pyschiatrist, he can see the humanity in even murderers, peadophiles though are like a different species. Even amongst the prison populace 'nonces' are the lowest of the low.

    Well, everyone likes to feel superior to other people. Prisoners are considered subhuman by most people, at least in the US, so it’s understandable why that 1% would want to find a subgroup of prisoners whom they can feel superior to. Pedos fit the bill.

    As for murderers, some are non-sociopaths with a bad temper and poor impulse control. But I imagine most are sociopaths. Certainly many are.

  134. @BrokenSymmetry
    Kids are fair game then. What happened to not punching down?

    Good people don’t punch down. Most people punch down then find rationalizations for how they’re not punching down.

  135. @Tim Howells


    (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood ...
     
    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes. That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.
     
    It's called hiding in plain sight. The arrogance of these people is indeed stunning. Cheering on Roman Polanski, just for example, while holding oneself up as the highest exemplar of morality. They are truly deranged. Put me down as a proud member of the Pizzagate crowd. If there is any other explanation for all those emails, Instagram posts, and "art" collections full of references to sadomasochistic occult practices centered around the abuse of small children, I would love to hear it.

    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I’ll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.

    Add to that the documented mini-scandals around the globe that just seem to disappear when the right person dies in a car crash or the perp flees the country…

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I’ll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.
     
    This is not an experience most of us have had the opportunity to have. Could you please elaborate? What struck you in particular, as you came out of your bubble? What are some specific examples of possible attempts at debasement?
  136. @Joe Walker
    An important distinction between Gunn and Roseanne is that she was fired for something she wrote recently while he was fired for something that he wrote years ago. Gunn seems to have matured a bit since he wrote those offensive things while Roseanne has not.

    Roseanne was fired for “racism” though there was no racism. She thought Jarrett was white.

    Schaudenfreude — but lots more of it, please. Just like many whites have no idea how deeply blacks hate them, rightists like Cole have no idea how deeply leftists hate them (us). They have never and will never give us the benefit of the doubt. Only power and fear will stop them.

  137. @Pat Boyle
    Two things:

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment. This morning I get up and get on the blog before seven o'clock. Yet there are already over a hundred and twenty comments posted. I could just scroll down through page after page to get to the bottom. Or I could post my remarks as a pseudo-reply to one of the first few postings. Not optimum.

    2. There are a couple scientific scandals. One of course is Global Warming. The debate is seldom honest and rational. Then there is the even more dishonest and irrational issue of blacks in America. No one is allowed to just state the simple truths. Finally there is the whole field of homosexuality and pedophilia.

    I once was a soldier in Nixon's War on Cancer. We failed of course but at least we tried. Why is there no War on Gayness? Homosexuality is probably a disease. It is possibly a parasitic disease. Or maybe it's not a disease but something entirely different. I don't know, but why don't I know?

    When I read about a drug I've never heard of or a new dinosaur skeleton - I look it up usually in Wikipedia. So when I read about this Hollywood director being gay and a pedophile I would like to research it a little. But of course no one is allowed to study these matters.

    JayMan has a good roundup of Greg Cochran’s posts on his gay germ hypothesis:

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/

  138. @Alec Leamas

    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.
     
    I was going to make this point. The casting couch was joked about for decades until it was revealed to have been true - a standard business practice in Hollywood. No one would be surprised if drugs are trafficked in Hollywood and the LAPD looks the other way. Power and money is corrupting, as is the ability to flout the law with impunity. Actors and people who surround actors tend to be some of the most broken, weirdest people on Earth. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they have appetites that include under-aged objects of desire and that it's the sort of thing that's an open secret with a veil of plausible deniability - everybody knows, no one not criminally implicated has "proof," but stories abound. None of this requires a formal "ring" with secret code words and a membership card. It could be handled like other illicit activities - I know a guy who knows a guy, and if there's a chance of getting caught fixers are deployed armed with cash and threats. Gunn's tweets may be evidence of nothing but bad taste and immaturity but it shouldn't be used as evidence of the absence of the abuse of children.

    Well said. I think the point often missed is the relation to the power structure. In a society in decline, pedophilia is an effective method for forming ad-hoc oligarchies to gain power in an unstable powet system. With a hieratchy based on natural authority this wouldn’t be necessary.

    Detractors say it’s ridiculous to posit a pedo mafia, but this is conceivably more decentralized than that, and it would make sense they signal to one another.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    With a hieratchy based on natural authority this wouldn’t be necessary.
     
    What is a "hierarchy based on natural authority"? What is "natural authority"?
  139. @Cagey Beast
    Is this OT or simply another chapter in the same American story? Here's a middle American patriotard being mocked by both Brooklyn and Hollywood in one clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD5GL9O0OOI

    Truly we are living in a golden age!

    In all fairness, it’s his fault and I don’t feel sorry for the people who got duped by Cohen’s Mossad character. First of all the makeup isn’t that good so you can tell he’s wearing a mask. Second, I doubt they would have been so easily bamboozled by a fake Russian or German or Swede or Turk the fact that he was able to convince this guy to act like such a maniac stems solely from Republican/middle American/evangelical worship of Israel.

  140. @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    The order may be out of whack but I think winnowing away at the taboos and prohibitions against adult on child sexual contact may be inevitable.

    We’re already in a place in which it is not really all that controversial to administer hormone blockers to children and convince them of the need to mutilate their genitals and take sex hormones. This was unthinkable maybe six years ago.

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of “consent” even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.

    I submit that there’s a Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy – just because A does not consequentially lead to B by formal deductive processes doesn’t mean that in human affairs and politics A will not inevitably lead to B through Z and eventually dipping into the Greek Alphabet.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.
    , @Rosie

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of “consent” even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.
     
    This, this, this! Take this guy. Can his narrative be conclusively refuted on Leftist premises? The idea that children can't consent to sex seems to me to rely on the premise that sex is a solemn act that should be approached with great caution and forethought, but in fact the Left has trivialized sex, such that it is now viewed as a kind of ... play, a matter of casual recreation. How does a taboo against child molestation stand in that kind of climate?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lBkw7acLqKg

    Now, I realize that this kind of reasoning can be dangerously reactionary, and I can't say I have a solution. Moreover, I think Steve is mostly right that your average Leftist, nor perhaps even a cabal of elite pedophiles, is scheming to normalize pedophilia. Still, I feel in my bones that the pedophilia taboo is weakening.

  141. @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    Greville Janner was Labour, Cyril Smith Liberal and Leon Brittan Conservative, all front rank politicians.

    Here is an interesting and considered piece on politics and paedophilia by former diplomat Craig Murray.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/10/paedophilia-and-politicians/

    Of course I forgot Lucien Freud.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/elm-guest-house/

  142. @MEH 0910
    Have Martin Short play the kids.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCNe0z7TsPE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lplpw9tjd_E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJH2Nywkaw

    http://www.theallnightcafe.com/watch/?v=6c5c49c2c309aff7d41c892678e95a8e

    Clifford (1994) is more weird than funny; but Martin Short’s performance makes the film worthwhile. And Steve Sailer is correct: it’s time to phase out child actors, for a number of reasons. One reason being there is a pedophile problem in Hollywood. Nickelodeon is going through a shakeup because one of its cash-cow producers preyed on the never-ending stream of tween girls (and their hideous, enabler parents) searching for stardom. And former A-list director and his boy-lover pals (all in the industry) created a media company for the sole purpose of drawing in teenage boys.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Siskel & Ebert HATED Clifford.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6140486/characters/nm0803021

    Roger Ebert - Host : "Clifford" is like a movie from Mars. This is the kind of movie where you sit there simply stupefied. The cast contains some of my favorite actors, and yet nothing works. And I wonder if the central mistake might not have been the casting of Martin Short as the little boy. He looks so weird that there's never a moment when you can stop gawking at him long enough for the character to gather up any momentum. I saw this movie in a theater with, maybe, 150 people. Two people laughed, once a piece. One of them was me, and I think the other one laughed because I have an infectious laugh. I found ONE gag in this movie, 150 other people found NOTHING to laugh at.

    Gene Siskel - Host : I was the majority. It IS shocking, and I felt bad, because I had taken a friend's children to the film.

    Roger Ebert - Host : This is really a children's picture. Wow.

    Gene Siskel - Host : I said, "Well, at least", I said, "Kids, at least you're gonna remember who you saw the worst movie of your life with." Uh, it... you're right. Martin Short, it looks like a wisened old little dwarf in the picture...

    Roger Ebert - Host : Yeah.

    Gene Siskel - Host : And he's very, uh, unhappy. The character is unhappy, mean throughout.

    Roger Ebert - Host : Yes.

    Gene Siskel - Host : There isn't a likable person in here. There's no entry point for us to get involved in the story.

    Roger Ebert - Host : That's right.

    Gene Siskel - Host : When the payoff comes, when this kid, who wants to be taken to Dinosaur World in Los Angeles...

    Roger Ebert - Host : He goes there, then you get these CHEESY special effects!

    Gene Siskel - Host : There's no payoff.

    Roger Ebert - Host : You can even see the payoff not paying off...

    Gene Siskel - Host : Yes.

    Roger Ebert - Host : ...While it's on the screen. You took KIDS to see this? This is the kind of movie where, after they see this, they should see "The Good Son" to cheer themselves up.

    Gene Siskel - Host : Okay. That was about a killer, wasn't it?

    Roger Ebert - Host : Yes.
     
  143. In Portugal several were convicted in a high level paedophile ring.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-six-year-trial-portugals-high-society-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

    They seem to find each other out, secure positions that facilitate their activities and know how to coordinate. That said it shouldn’t be exagerrated.

  144. @Anonymous

    and if actors in general weren’t paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don’t deserve.
     
    It's common to hear bitching about how much ball players and entertainers make, but the bottom line is that the total paid to all of them, divided out and paid to everyone in the US, would not buy everyone a bicycle. If you do not like major league sports or cineplex-packing movies, don't go. Don't buy the stuff advertised on telecasts of them either. Buy high end craft or low end generic product instead that don't advertise.

    The vast majority of people who make their living as actors, musicians, or other entertainers are not rich. By its nature, it's a feast or famine business. You want guaranteed safe stable employment, get a job with the post office, police, firefighter, city worker, or find one of the shrinking but still present pockets of blue collar union jobs. That's the antithesis of being a movie star, and why Brooce! is inherently ridiculous.

    On the other hand, every taxpayer does have a legit beef about cities using tax money to subsidize sports teams. That isn't the players' fault. It's the fault of piggy city governments. Cuckservatives believe in states' rights and federalism. Real rightwingers say use the lingam of federal government power to throttle cities' subsidizing ballparks the same way the feds jammed the 55 mph speed limit and the 21 drinking age up everyone's ass.

    If you do not like major league sports or cineplex-packing movies, don’t go.

    That’s what I do. If they are rich, it’s certainly not because of me.

    The vast majority of people who make their living as actors, musicians, or other entertainers are not rich. By its nature, it’s a feast or famine business.

    That’s true. In a fairer world, non-famous actors should be better paid, and famous actors should be paid less. Generally it’s not a question of talent, but of luck and good contacts. Being part Jewish also helps. But yes, life’s not fair and that’s how it works. Lots of competition for very few spots. And yet, there seems to be something wrong with the current cult of “celebrities” and their lavish lifestyle.

  145. Tex says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    But what comes after WWT? I think WWP is in the opening stages. There have been some tentative attempts to normalize pedos in certain narrative-dominated outlets. IIRC Salon had a series about a “virtuous pedophile”, quickly pulled after the Milo scandal. TED Talks featured a woman bemoaning the fate of a pedo who was unable to celebrate his love in public.

    It’s a ripple, perhaps just noise. But at what point did bathroom usage go from being an obscure and laughable dilemma to being a national crisis?

  146. @JohnnyWalker123
    Can't see it.

    Just a gray box.

    Just cut and paste the link text you see if you hover over the link to Dave’s comment. It’s pretty funny.

  147. @Thursday
    I'm with the schadenfreude people. The left is never going to stop. Being "principled" and asking the left to please, please stop being so mean, accomplishes nothing. So, we might as well take a few of them with us.

    I’m with the schadenfreude people.

    So am I, but there’s more to it than schadenfreude. It’s an application of Alinsky’s rule no. 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” This is a tactic that can be used by any combatant. The left long ago insisted that “the personal is political” and began to stigmatize those it opposed on the basis of some aspect of their lives that would hitherto have been regarded as purely private, such as membership in a club that excluded certain classes of people. This has now been extended to ever having uttered certain words.

    As the Gunn episode shows, the left doesn’t like it when its own weapons are turned against it. The current flailing about to justify ostracizing Roseanne for her alleged racism while exonerating Gunn for his pedophile jokes illustrates that the left’s operating policy here is nothing more principled than “Who? Whom?”

    And for that matter, so is the sophistry of Shapiro and Erickson. Roseanne is a “racist” to be execrated because she supported Trump, and they are bitter-end NeverTrumpers. Gunn they give a pass, because what the NeverTrumpers want is a place at the Establishment’s table, and they sense correctly that the Establishment gives Gunn a pass. They hope to be recognized as respectable, not like the “basket of deplorables”; and the way to show they are respectable is to make a show of agreeing with the Establishment on certain points.

    Regarding sexual misconduct as trivial has long been one of those points. The manners and mores of Hollywood, once regarded by most of the American public as worthy of censure, are now widely accepted. Objecting to them is the mark of a hayseed, a rustic Savonarola who probably speaks in tongues and handles rattlesnakes in church. By defending Gunn, Shapiro and Erickson show that they are sophisticated urban types, and that if given a place at the Establishment’s table, they will know which fork to use, and will not blow their noses in the table linens.

    The MeToo phenomenon is in the process of upsetting this set of assumptions. My impression is that those who started it hoped it could be used against Donald Trump, but it has boomeranged and damaged many longstanding figures of the cultural left without leaving a scratch on the President. Similarly, accusations of pedophilia served the left well as long as their main targets were Roman Catholic clergy; discrediting the Catholic Church has been one of their long-sought goals. Yet the fact is that not just the priesthood, but all types of employment that afford their practitioners proximity to the young, attract a disproportionate number of pedophiles – including education (the Penn State scandal most notably, but examples can be found all over the country), and now the entertainment industry. The exposure of such people is an unintended consequence. Discrediting public schools and Hollywood was not part of the left’s agenda. Nonetheless they ought to, and eventually will, bear their share of blame.

  148. res says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Two things:

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment. This morning I get up and get on the blog before seven o'clock. Yet there are already over a hundred and twenty comments posted. I could just scroll down through page after page to get to the bottom. Or I could post my remarks as a pseudo-reply to one of the first few postings. Not optimum.

    2. There are a couple scientific scandals. One of course is Global Warming. The debate is seldom honest and rational. Then there is the even more dishonest and irrational issue of blacks in America. No one is allowed to just state the simple truths. Finally there is the whole field of homosexuality and pedophilia.

    I once was a soldier in Nixon's War on Cancer. We failed of course but at least we tried. Why is there no War on Gayness? Homosexuality is probably a disease. It is possibly a parasitic disease. Or maybe it's not a disease but something entirely different. I don't know, but why don't I know?

    When I read about a drug I've never heard of or a new dinosaur skeleton - I look it up usually in Wikipedia. So when I read about this Hollywood director being gay and a pedophile I would like to research it a little. But of course no one is allowed to study these matters.

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment.

    Does your keyboard have an “End” key? Mine is right by “Page Down” (with another on the numeric keypad). That’s what I use. And it is a big help. Home and End also give quick access to the previous and next post hyperlinks.

  149. @Dumbo
    I hardly watch commercial Hollywood movies anymore, I could not care less about Guardian of the Galaxy. As for children acting in movies, it wouldn't be such a big problem if there weren't so many perverts in Hollywood, and if actors in general weren't paid such obscene amounts of money which they obviously don't deserve.

    Actors and actresses are born, not made. I’d rather have the whole sorry lot cordoned off in H’wood or NY than have them back in their home towns driving everybody nuts and doing weird stuff.

    A friend’s daughter is an actress, and while she keeps everybody entertained, she requires the patience of Job on the part of her family to cope with her behavioral swings.

  150. @S. Anonyia
    Are we mourning the artistic loss of a comic book movie director?

    I think the world will keep turning.

    I want him gone even without the pedo jokes. Guardians of the Galaxy is a dumb, overrated movie and I look forward to the end of the franchise.

    Comic book movies wore out their welcome in 2012.

    I watched the Indian movies Bahaballi (however you spell it) recently and I’d much rather we do stuff like that. Stuff that is ridiculous but has a decent story and everyone can enjoy it. You could make interesting, light-hearted, special effects laden movies based off Ancient Greek or Norse gods and fables.

    Comic book movies prove how most Americans are permanently stuck in adolescence and have no sense of where they come from, or where they are going. Nobody even reads comics anymore but weirdos, the masses just like seeing men in tights crash into buildings around NYC.

    Most movies are made for 15 year old boys. That seems to be the main demographic that H’wood shoots for, all over the world.

    I think there’s still quite a few boomer dudes, like Steve, who enjoy going to movies because of the remembrance of joy from the experience in his youth. I understand this as I had some great experiences in movie theaters as a teen, but at some point we need to able to say,”This is all crap,” and spend our time and money elsewhere. I suspect the movie-going population will continue to decline in the US.

    I know I hold a minority viewpoint here so feel free to criticize.

  151. @CAL2
    Sadly, that won't work. The security will either be in the pocket of studio or it will be staffed with the people who see it as there chance at the buffet.

    With good parents, like Shirley Temple had, it would work. But too many of them are starstruck and willing to have anything done to their kids for the big shot. Look at the Nasser case at MSU. Sure little Debbie said Nasser did inappropriate things to her. Yet Mom and Dad kept sending her because it was her shot at the Olympics.

    Right, And the 13 yo that Polanski drugged and butt raped was dropped off by her mother.

  152. Lot says:
    @Anon
    "Watching Unz’s decline has been sad more than anything."

    Unz is like a prolific author who suddenly finds himself without an editor; it's just stream of consciousness now. Also, a lot what Unz underwrote is now accepted in one form or another, so there isn't the name need for him to underwrite others: HBD is basically fact for any intelligent person (although the masses are still banned from seeing it), antiwar conservatives exist, Sailer is here, other politically incorrect people are here, Karlin is pretty good...

    Yes his writing style is very verbose and indirect, and unlikely to convince anyone of anything.

    On the other point, lots of intelligent people live their whole lives in nice suburbs with left-wing educators and culture, only exposed to a tiny curated slice of NAMs, and do not believe in genetic inequality, so I am not so optimistic.

    I enjoyed reading Karlin too, he kind of blended in with the Putinist nuts here at first, but he isn’t one of them.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    The main thing I get from the Gunn controversy (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser) is that there are people out there for whom pedophilia occupies a large portion of their head space. Maybe not without reason, considering the scandals in the Church, at Penn State, etc., but some people take it to an excessive level. Sometimes it comes out as these bizarre jokes, and sometimes it comes out as an obsessive search for pedophiles under every rock. If Gunn and Black were on the right (but otherwise had more or less the same personality and character), they would not be normal people who rarely think about pedophilia, they would be leading the Pizzagate mob.

    • Replies: @BB753
    You're wrong. Gunn is a friend of convicted pedophile Huston Huddleston, and used to work for film producer and likely NAMBLA member Lloyd Kaufman, who's a friend of Tony Podesta, (they're pictured togetjer dining out in an Instagram post) whose art collection makes a pedophile blush.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/07/24/james-gunn-disney-huston-huddleston-marvel/

    , @PennTothal

    (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser)
     
    Black, (nee Schwartz) writes books for children:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ian_Black

    "A hilarious new book about a boy who refuses to wear clothes, from comedian Michael Ian Black and illustrator Debbi Ridpath..."

    https://books.google.com/books/about/Naked.html?id=BYIyAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Having a difficult time seeing a benign explanation for all of this.

  154. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Two things:

    1. This software is probably the best available for a threaded discussion but it could be better. There should be some button that takes you directly to the end of the thread where you can make a comment. This morning I get up and get on the blog before seven o'clock. Yet there are already over a hundred and twenty comments posted. I could just scroll down through page after page to get to the bottom. Or I could post my remarks as a pseudo-reply to one of the first few postings. Not optimum.

    2. There are a couple scientific scandals. One of course is Global Warming. The debate is seldom honest and rational. Then there is the even more dishonest and irrational issue of blacks in America. No one is allowed to just state the simple truths. Finally there is the whole field of homosexuality and pedophilia.

    I once was a soldier in Nixon's War on Cancer. We failed of course but at least we tried. Why is there no War on Gayness? Homosexuality is probably a disease. It is possibly a parasitic disease. Or maybe it's not a disease but something entirely different. I don't know, but why don't I know?

    When I read about a drug I've never heard of or a new dinosaur skeleton - I look it up usually in Wikipedia. So when I read about this Hollywood director being gay and a pedophile I would like to research it a little. But of course no one is allowed to study these matters.

    When you click on the link to the comments at the top of the page (it should take you here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/james-gunn/#comments) you will see at the top of that page a button saying “Leave a comment”. Click it and you should be able to leave a general (non-reply) comment.

  155. @Lot
    Watching Unz's decline has been sad more than anything. 10 years ago he was helping to underwrite and promote people like Steve, Razib, Dreher, Derb, and Larison. Now it is like a mix of Russia Today, The Electronic Intifada and Stormfront.

    His increasingly incoherent style is almost as objectionable as the content. (And of course the commenters are even worse – would anyone want to be on the same side as Wally even if he were right?)

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    His increasingly incoherent style
     
    Like what?
  156. It’s sad Taki published that article and that Steve seems to sympathize with Gunn, too. Take your blinders off. I assume many of the commenters here have not themselves read the piles of tweets that got Gunn fired, or saw the stuff his friends post. They’re disturbing – angry and violent towards kids, just bizarre and not at all humorous. Gunn was not exactly a kid when he posted them either, I believe he was in his 40s. I followed some of the Pizzagate stuff, occasionally read various Hollywood gossip boards like Crazy Days and Nights and Datalounge, 4 and 8 ch, and it’s eye opening. The stuff that comes to the surface, that they dig up on social media is very disturbing and all similar – violent and bizarre jokes about kids, extremely weird if not disturbing “art”, not to mention lots of bizarre rituals. If you don’t have an instinctual reaction to it, something is wrong. The gossip sites have numerous stories of sexual exploitation by Hollywood elites. I think the pedos and elites do like to post inside “jokes” in their social media. As for not doing “guilt by association” my response is birds of a feather flock together. Too many people lack common sense these days or are obsessed with being “nice”. There’s a reason tons of pedo rings are getting rolled up under Trump and this stuff is getting exposed now. I’m glad the younger generation like commenter 27 year old is more on top of things, it gives me hope.

  157. Lot says:
    @BB753
    Still, the guy, Huddleston, went on to be convicted of child porn posession. Kiddie pictures and such.
    If you don't believe the entertainment business has a pedo problem, google Dan Schneider, Victor Salva, Bryan Singer, etc. The list goes on and on. And most of them are all related in some way. And to politicians in Washington.
    Remember Hastert, Lawrence King?

    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    • Replies: @notanon

    Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?
     
    a big case in the UK that almost got out was in two stages

    1) remote rural children's home where scores of boys were abused over many years

    2) those boys who were the most passive and least liable to talk were driven to London to be used at parties by high profile (conservative) politicians

    a bunch of those boys later died in a fire, another threw himself in front of a truck, loads of overdoses and suicides etc

    kids used by high profile politicians have a very high mortality rate for some odd reason
    , @BB753
    So you had no problems with a pedo being chairman of the House? The man should have been serving a life sentence instead of being the second in line to succeed to the POTUS.
    , @MEH 0910
    Yeah, I agreed with BB735's comment to the extent that there are other pedos out there, I wasn't endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy theories.
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    Not a single victim come out? Look up Gerry Studds and Barney Frank, among others.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch.
     
    Hastert was sexually abusing teenage boys as a wrestling coach in a small town. Perhaps once he got to DC he was able to find teenage boys for hire. Although one might still have expected one of his tricks to out him for political reasons or out of spite. Then again, the Congress had - for many years, apparently - a slush fund for paying off sexual harrassment claims that the public was unaware of. Most people were unaware that Congressman were kiting checks on the House post-office and engaging in insider stock-trading without any penalty too.

    And the second part of what you wrote there raises a flag: no indication that he continued. Do molesters just turn off their urges like that?

    It is also interesting to note that Hasterts indictments were handed down just prior to the House voting on the USA Freedom Act (which, as one would expect from the name, will be used to undermine our freedom). Pour Encourager les Autres?

    And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?
     
    Maybe they know what's good for 'em.
  158. @Clifford Brown
    I admire James Gunn's work. He is extremely intelligent and talented, and it would be a shame if he was purged over these disgusting, but likely non-criminal tweets. I support both social shaming, but also tolerance. Social shaming serves a purpose in a society and I see nothing wrong with shaming lazy and unnecessary pedophilia jokes OUT of the culture. I am not saying that there might not be a time and place for an occasional joke, but it should be highly taboo. I like taboos. Healthy and functioning societies have taboos for good reason. Tell these jokes at some alternative comedy space in Echo Park or at 2:00 in the morning at the Comedy Store. They have no place in the public discourse on Twitter.

    So while I don't support purges, I also support taboos. So be edgy, but don't cry about it when there is push back...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdz5SPgz4o

    You mean thousands of vile, indefensible, and deviant tweets posts and comments. If you’re cool with that you hire him.

  159. Isn’t this bordering on child pornography ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=uDTq69rFRY8

    WTF ?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    I believe that video can be prosecuted if there is any DA willing to take on Hollywood. The danger is the 9th Circuit sides with Harmon and then we have set a dangerous precedent. The case has to be brought in a sane jurisdiction and I think Harmon can get jail time.
  160. @notanon
    first point - if you read around, it looks to me like Gunn was raped as a teen and his tweets mostly reflect that and his (probably repressed) urges to do it to someone else imo

    #

    (1) The Pizzagaters. These nuts believe that Gunn’s public tweets prove there’s a top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood.
     
    human nature pretty much guarantees there are elite pedophile rings - pedophile not so much in the sexual sense but pedophile in the sense of sociopaths getting high on transgression and the feeling of power gained from getting away with transgression - child rape / torture is the ultimate transgression.

    Hollywood, DC, UN in New York, EU in Brussels etc are guaranteed to be epicenters of these things.

    (i don't think Gunn's tweets relates to this except in terms of their defending him)

    #

    (2) The Moralists. Their deal is, “Rape jokes are never funny! Pedo jokes are never funny! Firing Gunn was the right call.”
     
    the slippery slope is correct - partly cos edgy humor makes people laugh and as tolerance pushes back the edge so society is inevitably drawn closer to hell.

    even if there is no objective morality society needs to pretend there is as a wall between society and the devil.

    #

    (3) The Schadenfreuders. “The bastard got what he deserved for cheering when the same thing happened to Roseanne. Maybe if enough lefties suffer because of these witch hunts, they’ll finally stop doing it to us.”
     
    the power of the media to bully everyone with PC is proportional to their moral authority

    destroying their moral authority destroys their power

    destroying their moral authority destroys their power

    Exactly!

    “Die Strahlen der Sonne
    Vertreiben die Nacht.
    Zernichtet der Heuchler
    Erschlichene Macht.”

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    Die Zauberflöte.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rx0KFUwvNE

    Click on Show More, and you will find the text of this final chorus in both German and an English translation.
  161. @PiltdownMan
    More cricket than tennis, I'd say.

    Cricket flannels, yes.

  162. @PiltdownMan
    More cricket than tennis, I'd say.

    Cricket flannels, yes.

  163. @CAL2
    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn't natural. It isn't funny. It's disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.

    There was a scene in The Expanse where they were trying to get some information out of a scientist who was a mental case and only cared about his work. They couldn't get anything until one character talked him up about his work. He pointed out the guy was like a pedo. They couldn't help but talk about it if you seemed interested.

    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn’t natural. It isn’t funny. It’s disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.

    It was Dan Harmon(and he looks like a creep would molest a pet rock)

    You’re right in that the material isn’t natural or funny. Most would find it very sick and some would want to curb stomp Harmon into a bloody pulp. Yet the urban sophisticates of Hollywood think nothing of it.

    If these pedo jokes aren’t found offensive I cannot help but think there must be a lot of this sort of talk or worse going on behind closed doors.

    I think of Jimmy Savile in England, his buggery was covered up by the elites for decades, he was allowed to prey on young people at will. The fact they protected him, points to them probably engaging in the same acts themselves.

    • Replies: @BB753
    It's a pedo ring! Conecting Hollywood to Washington to London.
    Watch this! Warning, the last minutes or so are not safe for work unless you work in the Hollywood film industry:

    https://youtu.be/upR2EUNt7Tc
    , @BB753
    William Hague was the great protector of pedophiles in several Tory cabinets, it is alleged in England.
  164. @27 year old
    Who is this Cole guy? He should be fired from whatever he does for posting an offensively dumb take.

    This is an easy winning issue for us and everyone should be going hard. The enemy is literally taking the side of pedophiles.

    That many “right wing” personalities like (((Ben Shapiro))) are not just downplaying it but telling their audiences to back off is alarming.

    They say tweeting rap lyrics when you’re 17 is inexcusable, but we should give a pass to tweeting about rape of infants? Come the fuck on.

    Shapiro is a nasty piece of work(morally and intellectually bankrupt as well) and I wonder what his sexual peccadilloes are. The thing is normal guys would never find these baby rape jokes funny. What they would do, is probably kick Gunn’s and Harmon’s asses if they did say it in front of them.

    No one except a closet pedo would defend these two sickos.

    I’ve been a blue collar for most of my work career and worked with some very rough men and NOT ONCE did any of them every make the jokes that Gunn and others do in Hollywood.

  165. @Anon
    Muh culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MsvER1dpjM

    Every time I dip my toes in popular culture, I feel the need for a shower.

  166. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I'll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.

    Add to that the documented mini-scandals around the globe that just seem to disappear when the right person dies in a car crash or the perp flees the country...

    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I’ll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.

    This is not an experience most of us have had the opportunity to have. Could you please elaborate? What struck you in particular, as you came out of your bubble? What are some specific examples of possible attempts at debasement?

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    Think Mylie Cyrus, Lady Gaga, Madonna etc etc just off the top of my head with no attempt at a deep dive into the filth being churned out in recent years. Possibly we have the fish/water problem in trying to point out to younger people that this stuff is not normal.
  167. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well said. I think the point often missed is the relation to the power structure. In a society in decline, pedophilia is an effective method for forming ad-hoc oligarchies to gain power in an unstable powet system. With a hieratchy based on natural authority this wouldn't be necessary.

    Detractors say it's ridiculous to posit a pedo mafia, but this is conceivably more decentralized than that, and it would make sense they signal to one another.

    With a hieratchy based on natural authority this wouldn’t be necessary.

    What is a “hierarchy based on natural authority”? What is “natural authority”?

  168. @Lot
    Watching Unz's decline has been sad more than anything. 10 years ago he was helping to underwrite and promote people like Steve, Razib, Dreher, Derb, and Larison. Now it is like a mix of Russia Today, The Electronic Intifada and Stormfront.

    What is wrong with discussing Jewish involvement in the Russian revolution? Many people are unaware of it.

  169. Lmao Steve did I hurt your fee fees so bad you had to whim my other post?

    You’re right Steve, pizzagate is shoe on head crazy and NXIUM is just a channer conspiracy theory.

  170. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”
     
    Get a load of this expensive cringefest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pYhpJaJW8

    Yes, totally grotesque. Freakishly large eyes may work in anime cartoons or photo-realistic portrayals of non-humans, but not when pasted onto an otherwise normal human figure.

    I see it’s a James Cameron production, though. He’s discussed his interest in the idea that large eyes promote feelings of empathy and connection with a character, and that he purposely employed them in Avatar for that reason. Maybe he’s just gotten a little too obsessed with the idea for his own good.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    Maybe he’s just gotten a little too obsessed with the idea for his own good.
     
    Well, he's been trying to get this project off the ground for the better part of, what, two decades now? That doesn't seem to bode well.
  171. @eah
    These nuts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJHLqEDsHGE

    I’ve heard the rumors. Somewhere in the Caribbean? Haiti?

    • Replies: @eah
    rumors

    It's more than just "rumors" -- Clinton's name appears in the flight logs -- Epstein owns a small island in the Caribbean.

  172. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Kabala
    His increasingly incoherent style is almost as objectionable as the content. (And of course the commenters are even worse - would anyone want to be on the same side as Wally even if he were right?)

    His increasingly incoherent style

    Like what?

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    Maybe incoherent is too strong, but his columns ramble a lot and could generally be cut in length by at least half.
  173. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”
     
    Get a load of this expensive cringefest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pYhpJaJW8

    Interesting. “Let’s make a live action version of an anime, but we’ll only ‘live action’ half of it…maybe”; pointless since the original work (unlike admittedly a lot of anime) is pretty watchable, if a bit dark.

  174. @Dave Pinsen
    2nd try.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1021961729377554433?s=21

  175. @Anonymous
    James Gunn says that he is Jewish.

    According to his Wikipedia page, he went to a Jesuit high school and is Roman Catholic.

    Nice try.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Gunn himself said that he was Jewish.

    https://www.twitter.com/jamesgunn/status/736640431031779329?lang=en

  176. @PiltdownMan

    The first rule of Ped Club is to always tweet about Ped Club.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_and_pederast_advocacy_organizations#International

    I'm old enough to recall that, when NAMBLA first got coverage in the media in the 1970s, in the aftermath of the late 1960s Free Love era, the organization's propaganda had a certain quality of being light-hearted and jokey in its advocacy, kinda "just another fun thing to try."

    On the other hand, I don't buy that the James Gunn incident reveals anything about a Ped Club in Hollywood. The gross-out pedo posts are well, gross, and well beyond the pale for me and many others— across partisan lines.

    FWIW, I got a slightly different perspective from a PiltdownRelative, whose full-time professional job at his organization is to counter online child pornography. He works closely with Federal law enforcement in Washington DC and police in a number of countries around the world, pretty much on a weekly basis, and has done so for the last ten years. Ped Clubs mostly went online and became virtual a long time ago. The networks are rarely local in nature anymore, and are often cross-border networks.

    He said that the posts, by themselves, are no red flag, though they would be, if Gunn were already under investigation for child sex abuse. But what's problematic is Gunn's reference to a possibly pedophile video mentioned by his friend, who was apparently convicted last month for possession of child pornography, and the internet rumor that Gunn had that video posted on his blog and has since taken it down.

    So there's that.

    Remember all of the recent hoopla about abolishing ICE? I looked into what areas of enforcement they were tasked with beyond illegal immigration crimes, and one that jumped out at me was that they were also tasked with enforcement against child exploitation, stuff like pedophile rings, child prostitution, and child pornography.

    I didn’t have much sympathy with the Abolish ICE crowd before, but when I saw that, as well as some of the other areas of responsibility in ICE’s brief like fighting transnational crime, I completely lost any respect I might have previously had for this bunch as merely misguided humanitarians.

    You know, Jesus said that whatsoever you do unto children, you do that also to me. Some part of me wondered if these perverts actually get a charge out of thinking to themselves while they do this that in some sense they are sexually abusing Jesus, particularly priests and such who have no reason for not being aware of this. Truly Satanic destroying innocence. Child abusers, or even those who get a kick out of watching child pornography, should be removed from society forever.

  177. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Mommy, why is that kid so … creepy?! I wanna go home!” “It’s just the uncanny valley, nothing to worry about.” “Mommy, he looks like Chucky. He’s going to kill me!”
     
    Get a load of this expensive cringefest:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pYhpJaJW8

    Thanks for the preview. Cringefest is right! Alita looks even worse than Cameron’s Avatar; it appears to be filmmaking by check list.

  178. @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    a big case in the UK that almost got out was in two stages

    1) remote rural children’s home where scores of boys were abused over many years

    2) those boys who were the most passive and least liable to talk were driven to London to be used at parties by high profile (conservative) politicians

    a bunch of those boys later died in a fire, another threw himself in front of a truck, loads of overdoses and suicides etc

    kids used by high profile politicians have a very high mortality rate for some odd reason

  179. You’re way off here, and so is Cole.

    Gunn didn’t make any “jokes”. Have you read the stuff he said? His tweets were the ramblings of a pedophile sex addict who couldn’t keep it to himself any longer.

    The police should investigate, this guy has victims. #GunnControl

  180. @Tiny Duck
    He should not have been fired. This proves conservatives have no primpials


    Oh and the People are awakening

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3MM8OkVT0hw

    way to go, Tiny Duck, you lurked in stealthy ambush and got in #1. And,

    as usual U R right: “conservatives have no primpials”;

    only tiny ducks have primpials.

  181. @BrokenSymmetry
    It went all the way to the very top (Edward Heath).
  182. @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    So you had no problems with a pedo being chairman of the House? The man should have been serving a life sentence instead of being the second in line to succeed to the POTUS.

  183. @Rod1963

    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn’t natural. It isn’t funny. It’s disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.
     
    It was Dan Harmon(and he looks like a creep would molest a pet rock)

    You're right in that the material isn't natural or funny. Most would find it very sick and some would want to curb stomp Harmon into a bloody pulp. Yet the urban sophisticates of Hollywood think nothing of it.

    If these pedo jokes aren't found offensive I cannot help but think there must be a lot of this sort of talk or worse going on behind closed doors.

    I think of Jimmy Savile in England, his buggery was covered up by the elites for decades, he was allowed to prey on young people at will. The fact they protected him, points to them probably engaging in the same acts themselves.

    It’s a pedo ring! Conecting Hollywood to Washington to London.
    Watch this! Warning, the last minutes or so are not safe for work unless you work in the Hollywood film industry:

  184. @Rod1963

    I think that is a lot of the explanation. You reach the point that you find it normal, and you are part of the elite and believe you are untouchable. Only the hicks think it is wrong. Some guy who is the co-creator of Rick and Morty pulled down a bunch of tweets because one had a skit of him raping a baby doll. That isn’t natural. It isn’t funny. It’s disturbing. And there seems to be a lot of Hollywood types who find it just dandy.
     
    It was Dan Harmon(and he looks like a creep would molest a pet rock)

    You're right in that the material isn't natural or funny. Most would find it very sick and some would want to curb stomp Harmon into a bloody pulp. Yet the urban sophisticates of Hollywood think nothing of it.

    If these pedo jokes aren't found offensive I cannot help but think there must be a lot of this sort of talk or worse going on behind closed doors.

    I think of Jimmy Savile in England, his buggery was covered up by the elites for decades, he was allowed to prey on young people at will. The fact they protected him, points to them probably engaging in the same acts themselves.

    William Hague was the great protector of pedophiles in several Tory cabinets, it is alleged in England.

  185. @Crawfurdmuir

    destroying their moral authority destroys their power

     

    Exactly!

    "Die Strahlen der Sonne
    Vertreiben die Nacht.
    Zernichtet der Heuchler
    Erschlichene Macht."

    Die Zauberflöte.

    Click on Show More, and you will find the text of this final chorus in both German and an English translation.

  186. @James Kabala
    The main thing I get from the Gunn controversy (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser) is that there are people out there for whom pedophilia occupies a large portion of their head space. Maybe not without reason, considering the scandals in the Church, at Penn State, etc., but some people take it to an excessive level. Sometimes it comes out as these bizarre jokes, and sometimes it comes out as an obsessive search for pedophiles under every rock. If Gunn and Black were on the right (but otherwise had more or less the same personality and character), they would not be normal people who rarely think about pedophilia, they would be leading the Pizzagate mob.

    You’re wrong. Gunn is a friend of convicted pedophile Huston Huddleston, and used to work for film producer and likely NAMBLA member Lloyd Kaufman, who’s a friend of Tony Podesta, (they’re pictured togetjer dining out in an Instagram post) whose art collection makes a pedophile blush.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/07/24/james-gunn-disney-huston-huddleston-marvel/

  187. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.
     
    The order may be out of whack but I think winnowing away at the taboos and prohibitions against adult on child sexual contact may be inevitable.

    We're already in a place in which it is not really all that controversial to administer hormone blockers to children and convince them of the need to mutilate their genitals and take sex hormones. This was unthinkable maybe six years ago.

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of "consent" even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.

    I submit that there's a Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy - just because A does not consequentially lead to B by formal deductive processes doesn't mean that in human affairs and politics A will not inevitably lead to B through Z and eventually dipping into the Greek Alphabet.

    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    • Replies: @kimchilover
    Agreed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children. Real, according-to-Hoyle pedophilia is never going to be legal or legitimized in this country. But it's not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states. Currently, the federal age of consent in the US is statutorily set at a minimum of 12, but no state is lower than 16 (and I can't BELIEVE that California is the highest at 18...in Mexico it's 12) .

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Well, Steve, it does.

    Meanwhile you were wringing your hands to the bone over Trump's mean tone during the primary while your mash letters to Romney are public viewing, so maybe (as I advised in the post you whimmed) settle down with your high handedness about what the Right should be doing.

    Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won't discuss? Should we add it to Sailer's Butterknife?

    , @AnonAnon

    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.
     
    What?! TOO many of its chips? We’re fighting a multi-front war here and will take victories where we can. Who else but the left has been pushing the sexual deviancy envelope? Pedophilia is a vulnerable area for them to lose ground, and it may help loosen their grip on the megaphone. Hollywood is the mouthpiece for the left and a formidable cultural force, if we can get rid of the some of the leaders or at least pushback on the decline all the better. Moreover, they’re a huge money source for the Dems. Is this the hill you want to die on? Seriously, open your eyes.
  188. @Jimi Shmendrix
    According to his Wikipedia page, he went to a Jesuit high school and is Roman Catholic.

    Nice try.

    Gunn himself said that he was Jewish.

  189. @Alfa158
    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime, and then they proceed to clean out your premises. If you still have a copy of any material they siezed, or if they missed something and you still have it, are you in legal trouble?
    It’s hard to guess anymore what is illegal in our brave new post Bill of Rights regime.

    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?

    If it’s been seized, he doesn’t have it.

    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime.

    It is illegal for a court to issue, or for a lawyer to obey, such an order.

    • Replies: @Flubber
    "It is illegal for a court to issue, or for a lawyer to obey, such an order."

    Isnt this the entire basis of the Mueller probe?
  190. @Anonymous

    His increasingly incoherent style
     
    Like what?

    Maybe incoherent is too strong, but his columns ramble a lot and could generally be cut in length by at least half.

  191. CPLR 4503(a)(1) codifies the attorney-client privilege under New York law. Here’s the first half of it:

    Unless the client waives the privilege, an attorney or his or her employee, or any person who obtains without the knowledge of the client evidence of a confidential communication made between the attorney or his or her employee and the client in the course of professional employment, shall not disclose, or be allowed to disclose such communication, nor shall the client be compelled to disclose such communication, in any action, disciplinary trial or hearing, or administrative action, proceeding or hearing conducted by or on behalf of any state, municipal or local governmental agency or by the legislature or any committee or body thereof.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Okay, so that means that CNN and probably some other people just broke the law?

    And the NYS Bar and NYS prosecutors are gonna be screaming down their throat, right?
  192. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    “Actors and actresses are born, not made. I’d rather have the whole sorry lot cordoned off in H’wood or NY than…”

    I don’t agree. Having our entire entertainment industry in just two left wing places allows gatekeepers to police content. Enough.

    The SJW infection of Hollywood has now gotten to the point where people are called racist and fired for merely offering constructive criticism of properties (that blonde lady who just got fired from Paramount, I believe), Rosanne Barr gets fired for appealing to the wrong demographic, men like Chris Hardwick are fired based on typical relationship drama, and actors aren’t even allowed to act – Dewayne Johnson having to apologize for not being handicapped while playing an amputee and Scarlett Johansen backing out of a role because a mob of leftist idiots didn’t want a non-transsexual playing a transexual in a movie, despite the obvious need for a big name to get such a film financed…

    I guess Hillary Swank should give her Oscar back.

    Hell, its getting hard to cast white men in movie roles where Kung Fu or Karate is used; these freaks tried to get Netflix’s Iron Fist cancelled because a white character dared to use Kung Fu. And we’ll NEVER see another live action adaptation of a Japanese anime because whites would obviously have to be written into it for it to make its money back.

    The SJW infection could get so bad it effectively kills the movie industry. They are already reduced to mainly unoriginal superhero rehashes.

    Could a movie like Lord of the Rings even get made today? Or at least made like the originals that respected the European aesthetic intended by the author? Could any movie be made with a Southerner who isn’t totally evil and stereotypically racist? Can we cast a single Marvel movie that respects all the intended races of the characters?

    Look at Marvel Comics. Sure, digital media was taking it down significantly, but as soon as they crossed a certain point in sales, ideologues effectively took it over and finished it off. 9 to 1 that Marvel Comics doesn’t make it to 2030, not in it’s current form at least. Will all of the current California studios?

    I think a concerted effort should be made to relocate studios and production companies to other states or even overseas. The movie industry is declining due to competition from video games and streaming, so there is the risk of the industry falling enough so that what happened to Marvel Comics happens to it, and the whole thing goes under in a big crash. If you want good movies again – and God it’s been a long time – then this may be the only option. The world is more global than ever and actors are a dime a dozen. I think it could work.

    I honestly don’t see studios standing up for creators like they should in the future, so creators should consider leaving. How much longer before China makes a brain drain push on the US? In a few more years, there won’t be any effective difference between the level of authoritarianism in either country. So, don’t be surprised if it happens one day, and it’s successful. If I owned a major Hollywood studio and China offered me discount access to the Chinese market to move operations there, I might seriously consider it. Being able to make now politically incorrect movies (i.e. standard movie releases from the 1980s and 90s) in China and then release them in the US under the protection of China – getting to call SJWs racist for complaining – would hold some appeal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "I think a concerted effort should be made to relocate studios and production companies to other states or even overseas."

    Hollywood loves to talk state legislatures into giving tax breaks to movie making, thus all the films made in Louisiana and North Carolina recently.

  193. @Anon
    "There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage."

    Yeah, but what's after that? Salon ran a couple of articles a few years ago by a pedophile. Doesn't seem so unrealistic that they might try again, at least to remove/reduce criminal penalties for offenders. Absolute power does strange things to people and we are soon entering an era where democrats will have a permanent ruling majority due to their treason on immigration.

    Which Party’s politicians are more likely to get caught in Pedo scandals: Republicans or Democrats?

    My guess: Republicans (e.g., Hastert), rather than Democrats (Pelosi).

    Why? Because more Republican politicians are men.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cause the media loves covering Democratic politician scandals in this country.

    You are getting DESTROYED in these comments.
  194. @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    Yeah, I agreed with BB735’s comment to the extent that there are other pedos out there, I wasn’t endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I'm not endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy.
    But there's enough evidence to point out that there are very powerful pedophiles in higher office, in the entertainment business, in the judiciary and law enforcement/intelligence agencies. And they all know each other either directly or indirectly and work in concert to cover their crimes. Whether they get together and throw parties in their private homes or in pizzerias or wherever is immaterial.
    It's been proven to occur in the UK with the Savile/ Cyril Smith case, and in Belgium (the Dutroux case). The evidence is piling up now in America. You'd have to be blind not to see it.
  195. @Anon
    "Actors and actresses are born, not made. I’d rather have the whole sorry lot cordoned off in H’wood or NY than..."

    I don't agree. Having our entire entertainment industry in just two left wing places allows gatekeepers to police content. Enough.

    The SJW infection of Hollywood has now gotten to the point where people are called racist and fired for merely offering constructive criticism of properties (that blonde lady who just got fired from Paramount, I believe), Rosanne Barr gets fired for appealing to the wrong demographic, men like Chris Hardwick are fired based on typical relationship drama, and actors aren't even allowed to act - Dewayne Johnson having to apologize for not being handicapped while playing an amputee and Scarlett Johansen backing out of a role because a mob of leftist idiots didn't want a non-transsexual playing a transexual in a movie, despite the obvious need for a big name to get such a film financed...

    I guess Hillary Swank should give her Oscar back.

    Hell, its getting hard to cast white men in movie roles where Kung Fu or Karate is used; these freaks tried to get Netflix's Iron Fist cancelled because a white character dared to use Kung Fu. And we'll NEVER see another live action adaptation of a Japanese anime because whites would obviously have to be written into it for it to make its money back.

    The SJW infection could get so bad it effectively kills the movie industry. They are already reduced to mainly unoriginal superhero rehashes.

    Could a movie like Lord of the Rings even get made today? Or at least made like the originals that respected the European aesthetic intended by the author? Could any movie be made with a Southerner who isn't totally evil and stereotypically racist? Can we cast a single Marvel movie that respects all the intended races of the characters?

    Look at Marvel Comics. Sure, digital media was taking it down significantly, but as soon as they crossed a certain point in sales, ideologues effectively took it over and finished it off. 9 to 1 that Marvel Comics doesn't make it to 2030, not in it's current form at least. Will all of the current California studios?

    I think a concerted effort should be made to relocate studios and production companies to other states or even overseas. The movie industry is declining due to competition from video games and streaming, so there is the risk of the industry falling enough so that what happened to Marvel Comics happens to it, and the whole thing goes under in a big crash. If you want good movies again - and God it's been a long time - then this may be the only option. The world is more global than ever and actors are a dime a dozen. I think it could work.

    I honestly don't see studios standing up for creators like they should in the future, so creators should consider leaving. How much longer before China makes a brain drain push on the US? In a few more years, there won't be any effective difference between the level of authoritarianism in either country. So, don't be surprised if it happens one day, and it's successful. If I owned a major Hollywood studio and China offered me discount access to the Chinese market to move operations there, I might seriously consider it. Being able to make now politically incorrect movies (i.e. standard movie releases from the 1980s and 90s) in China and then release them in the US under the protection of China - getting to call SJWs racist for complaining - would hold some appeal.

    “I think a concerted effort should be made to relocate studios and production companies to other states or even overseas.”

    Hollywood loves to talk state legislatures into giving tax breaks to movie making, thus all the films made in Louisiana and North Carolina recently.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Don't forget Georgia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_industry_in_Georgia#Ranking

    Georgia overtook California in 2016 as the state location with the most feature films produced.[3]
     
    http://www.georgia.org/industries/entertainment/georgia-film-tv-production/
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iPOVfOkfLHo/maxresdefault.jpg
  196. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I’ve long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.
     
    The order may be out of whack but I think winnowing away at the taboos and prohibitions against adult on child sexual contact may be inevitable.

    We're already in a place in which it is not really all that controversial to administer hormone blockers to children and convince them of the need to mutilate their genitals and take sex hormones. This was unthinkable maybe six years ago.

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of "consent" even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.

    I submit that there's a Slippery Slope Fallacy Fallacy - just because A does not consequentially lead to B by formal deductive processes doesn't mean that in human affairs and politics A will not inevitably lead to B through Z and eventually dipping into the Greek Alphabet.

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of “consent” even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.

    This, this, this! Take this guy. Can his narrative be conclusively refuted on Leftist premises? The idea that children can’t consent to sex seems to me to rely on the premise that sex is a solemn act that should be approached with great caution and forethought, but in fact the Left has trivialized sex, such that it is now viewed as a kind of … play, a matter of casual recreation. How does a taboo against child molestation stand in that kind of climate?

    Now, I realize that this kind of reasoning can be dangerously reactionary, and I can’t say I have a solution. Moreover, I think Steve is mostly right that your average Leftist, nor perhaps even a cabal of elite pedophiles, is scheming to normalize pedophilia. Still, I feel in my bones that the pedophilia taboo is weakening.

    • Replies: @notanon

    your average Leftist
     
    agree it's not the Left (apart from a few odd parts of it, often feminist for some reason) - the main push for sexual libertinism oall kinds has always come from the media itself

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Code_Hollywood
  197. @Steve Sailer
    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    Agreed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children. Real, according-to-Hoyle pedophilia is never going to be legal or legitimized in this country. But it’s not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states. Currently, the federal age of consent in the US is statutorily set at a minimum of 12, but no state is lower than 16 (and I can’t BELIEVE that California is the highest at 18…in Mexico it’s 12) .

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    Won't happen as long as it's associated with Mormons.

    Eventually, could happen as it comes to be associated with African immigrants or Tibetans or something, but not Mormons.

    , @L Woods
    This is largely a deliberate conflation, as women are at least as concerned with hedging off younger competition as they are with protecting actual children.
    , @notanon

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children.
     
    i think it's cos people on the Right conflate the Left and the media.

    But it’s not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states.
     
    yes - that's what they're aiming at - getting the age of consent down to 12-13 - and they'll use transgender kids to do it
  198. @Lot
    Watching Unz's decline has been sad more than anything. 10 years ago he was helping to underwrite and promote people like Steve, Razib, Dreher, Derb, and Larison. Now it is like a mix of Russia Today, The Electronic Intifada and Stormfront.

    “Watching Unz’s decline has been sad”

    What are you talking about? Seriously.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    Pay no attention to him. He's just putting in his mandated quota of JIDF trolling.
  199. @SunBakedSuburb
    Clifford (1994) is more weird than funny; but Martin Short's performance makes the film worthwhile. And Steve Sailer is correct: it's time to phase out child actors, for a number of reasons. One reason being there is a pedophile problem in Hollywood. Nickelodeon is going through a shakeup because one of its cash-cow producers preyed on the never-ending stream of tween girls (and their hideous, enabler parents) searching for stardom. And former A-list director and his boy-lover pals (all in the industry) created a media company for the sole purpose of drawing in teenage boys.

    Siskel & Ebert HATED Clifford.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6140486/characters/nm0803021

    Roger Ebert – Host : “Clifford” is like a movie from Mars. This is the kind of movie where you sit there simply stupefied. The cast contains some of my favorite actors, and yet nothing works. And I wonder if the central mistake might not have been the casting of Martin Short as the little boy. He looks so weird that there’s never a moment when you can stop gawking at him long enough for the character to gather up any momentum. I saw this movie in a theater with, maybe, 150 people. Two people laughed, once a piece. One of them was me, and I think the other one laughed because I have an infectious laugh. I found ONE gag in this movie, 150 other people found NOTHING to laugh at.

    Gene Siskel – Host : I was the majority. It IS shocking, and I felt bad, because I had taken a friend’s children to the film.

    Roger Ebert – Host : This is really a children’s picture. Wow.

    Gene Siskel – Host : I said, “Well, at least”, I said, “Kids, at least you’re gonna remember who you saw the worst movie of your life with.” Uh, it… you’re right. Martin Short, it looks like a wisened old little dwarf in the picture…

    Roger Ebert – Host : Yeah.

    Gene Siskel – Host : And he’s very, uh, unhappy. The character is unhappy, mean throughout.

    Roger Ebert – Host : Yes.

    Gene Siskel – Host : There isn’t a likable person in here. There’s no entry point for us to get involved in the story.

    Roger Ebert – Host : That’s right.

    Gene Siskel – Host : When the payoff comes, when this kid, who wants to be taken to Dinosaur World in Los Angeles…

    Roger Ebert – Host : He goes there, then you get these CHEESY special effects!

    Gene Siskel – Host : There’s no payoff.

    Roger Ebert – Host : You can even see the payoff not paying off…

    Gene Siskel – Host : Yes.

    Roger Ebert – Host : …While it’s on the screen. You took KIDS to see this? This is the kind of movie where, after they see this, they should see “The Good Son” to cheer themselves up.

    Gene Siskel – Host : Okay. That was about a killer, wasn’t it?

    Roger Ebert – Host : Yes.

  200. @Steve Sailer
    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    Well, Steve, it does.

    Meanwhile you were wringing your hands to the bone over Trump’s mean tone during the primary while your mash letters to Romney are public viewing, so maybe (as I advised in the post you whimmed) settle down with your high handedness about what the Right should be doing.

    Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won’t discuss? Should we add it to Sailer’s Butterknife?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Steve's good advice to the Right got Trump elected President. Steve Sailer changed history. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
    , @Anonymous
    You have missed the nuance in Steve's critique. It is to be found here:

    and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.
     
    The problem is more that "the right" keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count--issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.

    The smartest commentariat on the Internet needs to step up its game.
  201. @Steve Sailer
    Which Party's politicians are more likely to get caught in Pedo scandals: Republicans or Democrats?

    My guess: Republicans (e.g., Hastert), rather than Democrats (Pelosi).

    Why? Because more Republican politicians are men.

    Yeah cause the media loves covering Democratic politician scandals in this country.

    You are getting DESTROYED in these comments.

  202. @Anonymous
    To be fair there was a serious intellectual movement to legalize/normalize pedophilia in the 60s and 70s.

    https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/danger.htm

    Child porn was actually legal in a few Scandinavian countries (Denmark and Sweden, I think?) for a period; most of the extant child porn today was produced in that milieu.

    The left abandoned this presumably after realizing that it was simply too offensive to the sensibilities of average people (also the same reason they gave up the overtly hostile anti-military rhetoric of the 60s, I think). And then you had the "Satanic daycare" witch hunts of the 80s and 90s, presumably a mass psychic reaction to the excesses of the 70s.

    But I agree, pedophilia is not a "live" issue in American politics today, although transgenderism, at least to the extent it advocates letting freaks like this use women's restrooms, may be coming at the same thing from a different angle...

    https://i.redd.it/jshb77a1576z.jpg

    Dude, Transexclusive Radical Feminists (TERFs) are so bigoted to exclude such a charming, feminine and feminist creature from their midst! And so mean!

  203. @ben tillman
    CPLR 4503(a)(1) codifies the attorney-client privilege under New York law. Here's the first half of it:

    Unless the client waives the privilege, an attorney or his or her employee, or any person who obtains without the knowledge of the client evidence of a confidential communication made between the attorney or his or her employee and the client in the course of professional employment, shall not disclose, or be allowed to disclose such communication, nor shall the client be compelled to disclose such communication, in any action, disciplinary trial or hearing, or administrative action, proceeding or hearing conducted by or on behalf of any state, municipal or local governmental agency or by the legislature or any committee or body thereof.

    Okay, so that means that CNN and probably some other people just broke the law?

    And the NYS Bar and NYS prosecutors are gonna be screaming down their throat, right?

  204. @Random Smartaleck
    Yes, totally grotesque. Freakishly large eyes may work in anime cartoons or photo-realistic portrayals of non-humans, but not when pasted onto an otherwise normal human figure.

    I see it's a James Cameron production, though. He's discussed his interest in the idea that large eyes promote feelings of empathy and connection with a character, and that he purposely employed them in Avatar for that reason. Maybe he's just gotten a little too obsessed with the idea for his own good.

    Maybe he’s just gotten a little too obsessed with the idea for his own good.

    Well, he’s been trying to get this project off the ground for the better part of, what, two decades now? That doesn’t seem to bode well.

  205. @kimchilover
    Agreed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children. Real, according-to-Hoyle pedophilia is never going to be legal or legitimized in this country. But it's not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states. Currently, the federal age of consent in the US is statutorily set at a minimum of 12, but no state is lower than 16 (and I can't BELIEVE that California is the highest at 18...in Mexico it's 12) .

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    Won’t happen as long as it’s associated with Mormons.

    Eventually, could happen as it comes to be associated with African immigrants or Tibetans or something, but not Mormons.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Muslims like polygamy and marrying nine year old girls like Mohammed so yes legalizing it is a Sweden slam dunk. Over there for Muslims only it is defacto legal as laws against sex with children are it enforced against Muslims.

    Also, Dems have protection in the press and DOJ. Both protected the Kennedys and Clintons and Weinstein until Kamaka Harris launched her strike against Clintons main money bungler.
    , @Anonymous

    Won’t happen as long as it’s associated with Mormons.
     
    Polygamy is eugenic. It therefore won't be permitted to happen as long as there exists in the country a critical mass of talented Whites able to practice it endogamously, i.e. be of benefit to the White population. (Mormons or the general White population.)
    , @kimchilover
    Ugh, I'm relatively new to Unz and really don't want to come off as a Glad Hand, but, yeah, you're 100% correct: the polygamy stage ain't happening unless we get above around 6-8% Islamification.

    Stumbling onto your blog has been the most interesting thing that's happened to me in quite some time. Thank you so much for the work that you do.
  206. @Steve Sailer
    Perhaps.

    But the fact that the only rumored British name an American would recognize is a Tory prime minister suggests that the American right's desperate belief that their domestic political enemies are vastly disproportionately pedophiles suggests that their fond hopes are likely to be disappointed.

    There is a widespread belief on the right that leftist social liberation movements are leading up to the legalization of pedophilia. But I've long doubted that, and thus in 2013 suggested instead that transgenderism (many of whom are Republicans) would be next after gay marriage.

    I was right.

    Advocacy for pedophillia will put the left in conflict with feminists, who want to keep teenaged girls off-limits. Of course, when intersectionality clashes, womyn usually lose.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Advocacy for pedophillia will put the left in conflict with feminists, who want to keep teenaged girls off-limits. Of course, when intersectionality clashes, womyn usually lose.
     
    Please, can we keep this conversation out of the gutter.

    You have no idea what you're even talking about. Feminists are actually much more relaxed about teen sexuality than conservatives are, and we're not putting our foot down to "hedge off competition." We've already got ours. If our men aren't going to dump us for twenty-year-olds, they're not going to dump us for fifteen-year-olds either, should they ever be permitted to do so.
  207. @kimchilover
    Agreed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children. Real, according-to-Hoyle pedophilia is never going to be legal or legitimized in this country. But it's not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states. Currently, the federal age of consent in the US is statutorily set at a minimum of 12, but no state is lower than 16 (and I can't BELIEVE that California is the highest at 18...in Mexico it's 12) .

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    This is largely a deliberate conflation, as women are at least as concerned with hedging off younger competition as they are with protecting actual children.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    This is largely a deliberate conflation, as women are at least as concerned with hedging off younger competition as they are with protecting actual children.
     
    You always assume the worst about women, don't you? I guess a person with no ideals assumes the same about others.

    Yes, we want to keep dirty old men (and dirty young men, too) away from our daughters, so they can have a chance to grow up and mature like we did.
  208. @MEH 0910
    Yeah, I agreed with BB735's comment to the extent that there are other pedos out there, I wasn't endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy theories.

    I’m not endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy.
    But there’s enough evidence to point out that there are very powerful pedophiles in higher office, in the entertainment business, in the judiciary and law enforcement/intelligence agencies. And they all know each other either directly or indirectly and work in concert to cover their crimes. Whether they get together and throw parties in their private homes or in pizzerias or wherever is immaterial.
    It’s been proven to occur in the UK with the Savile/ Cyril Smith case, and in Belgium (the Dutroux case). The evidence is piling up now in America. You’d have to be blind not to see it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    What evidence is there for the right's assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches -- Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc.

    And take high culture figures: Nabokov wasn't a pedophile but he wrote the most famous novel about a pedophile, Lolita. But Nabokov was a National Review-subscribing conservative.

    Waugh wasn't a pedophile but his first novel, Decline and Fall, has lots of jokes about a fellow teacher, Mr. Grimes, who is obviously a pedophile.

  209. @Rosie

    The two prevailing forces are 1) the cultural acceptance of the idea that no sexual act can be wrong intrinsically and is dependent upon an ephemeral notion of “consent” even where the act is medically harmful or an inordinate danger to the public health and safety; and, 2) disintegrating familial bonds including the bonds between parent and child in which child-rearing is increasingly outsourced. Children as actual individual people will fare better in a society than one which regards children in the collective abstract with interests competing with other values.
     
    This, this, this! Take this guy. Can his narrative be conclusively refuted on Leftist premises? The idea that children can't consent to sex seems to me to rely on the premise that sex is a solemn act that should be approached with great caution and forethought, but in fact the Left has trivialized sex, such that it is now viewed as a kind of ... play, a matter of casual recreation. How does a taboo against child molestation stand in that kind of climate?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lBkw7acLqKg

    Now, I realize that this kind of reasoning can be dangerously reactionary, and I can't say I have a solution. Moreover, I think Steve is mostly right that your average Leftist, nor perhaps even a cabal of elite pedophiles, is scheming to normalize pedophilia. Still, I feel in my bones that the pedophilia taboo is weakening.

    your average Leftist

    agree it’s not the Left (apart from a few odd parts of it, often feminist for some reason) – the main push for sexual libertinism oall kinds has always come from the media itself

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Code_Hollywood

  210. @Steve Sailer
    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    Won't happen as long as it's associated with Mormons.

    Eventually, could happen as it comes to be associated with African immigrants or Tibetans or something, but not Mormons.

    Muslims like polygamy and marrying nine year old girls like Mohammed so yes legalizing it is a Sweden slam dunk. Over there for Muslims only it is defacto legal as laws against sex with children are it enforced against Muslims.

    Also, Dems have protection in the press and DOJ. Both protected the Kennedys and Clintons and Weinstein until Kamaka Harris launched her strike against Clintons main money bungler.

  211. “The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.”

    More likely: criminal justice reform (more BLM stuff), then immigration/refugees, then purging wrongthink from everything, then lessening the penalties/taboos associated with pedophilia.

  212. @L Woods
    This is largely a deliberate conflation, as women are at least as concerned with hedging off younger competition as they are with protecting actual children.

    This is largely a deliberate conflation, as women are at least as concerned with hedging off younger competition as they are with protecting actual children.

    You always assume the worst about women, don’t you? I guess a person with no ideals assumes the same about others.

    Yes, we want to keep dirty old men (and dirty young men, too) away from our daughters, so they can have a chance to grow up and mature like we did.

  213. @BB753
    I'm not endorsing any Pizzagate conspiracy.
    But there's enough evidence to point out that there are very powerful pedophiles in higher office, in the entertainment business, in the judiciary and law enforcement/intelligence agencies. And they all know each other either directly or indirectly and work in concert to cover their crimes. Whether they get together and throw parties in their private homes or in pizzerias or wherever is immaterial.
    It's been proven to occur in the UK with the Savile/ Cyril Smith case, and in Belgium (the Dutroux case). The evidence is piling up now in America. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

    What evidence is there for the right’s assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches — Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc.

    And take high culture figures: Nabokov wasn’t a pedophile but he wrote the most famous novel about a pedophile, Lolita. But Nabokov was a National Review-subscribing conservative.

    Waugh wasn’t a pedophile but his first novel, Decline and Fall, has lots of jokes about a fellow teacher, Mr. Grimes, who is obviously a pedophile.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, everybody in Hollywood is a leftist, except Mel Gibson. So any pedophile or ephebophile caught red-handed there will be a leftie, it goes without saying.
    But in the general population, there doesn't seem to be a strong correlation of pedophilia with any kind of political leaning, left or right.
    This much you can say though: the left is more tolerant of deviant behaviors.
    , @FPD72
    I don’t think that what Hastert did should be called pedophilia. The youngest boy he molested was 14. The generally accepted cut off age for pedophilia is 13. Technically, pedophilia is attraction toward prepubescent children. High school wrestlers do not fall into this category.

    I’m not defending the creep. He took sexual advantages with young students under his care and authority. I just wouldn’t call it pedophilia.
  214. @kimchilover
    Agreed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children. Real, according-to-Hoyle pedophilia is never going to be legal or legitimized in this country. But it's not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states. Currently, the federal age of consent in the US is statutorily set at a minimum of 12, but no state is lower than 16 (and I can't BELIEVE that California is the highest at 18...in Mexico it's 12) .

    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children.

    i think it’s cos people on the Right conflate the Left and the media.

    But it’s not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states.

    yes – that’s what they’re aiming at – getting the age of consent down to 12-13 – and they’ll use transgender kids to do it

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They've sure made a lot of progress in California, where the age of consent is 18.
  215. @Steve Sailer
    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    The right has put too many of its chips on the idea that the left favors pedophilia, and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    What?! TOO many of its chips? We’re fighting a multi-front war here and will take victories where we can. Who else but the left has been pushing the sexual deviancy envelope? Pedophilia is a vulnerable area for them to lose ground, and it may help loosen their grip on the megaphone. Hollywood is the mouthpiece for the left and a formidable cultural force, if we can get rid of the some of the leaders or at least pushback on the decline all the better. Moreover, they’re a huge money source for the Dems. Is this the hill you want to die on? Seriously, open your eyes.

  216. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    “Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won’t discuss?”

    Actually, that’s quite an interesting situation. It’s strange how many rich, powerful females got caught up in this thing. It’s almost like violent alpha males, even the crazy ones, are fly paper to the opposite sex.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Clare Bronfmann and Nancy Salzman have been indicted and arrested in connection to NXIVM.
    Bronfman was released by paying a $135 m.bail.

    https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Bronfman-Salzman-and-two-more-charged-with-13100041.php

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/sex-cult-heiress-clare-bronfman-paid-staggering-135m-for-bail/news-story/6b182af6aaa8e5b08fd5c1c85dfc0e34

    , @Jack Hanson
    I referenced it because Steve is doing awful hand waving / whistling past the graveyard damage control regarding the existence of secret sex cults.
  217. @Steve Sailer
    "I think a concerted effort should be made to relocate studios and production companies to other states or even overseas."

    Hollywood loves to talk state legislatures into giving tax breaks to movie making, thus all the films made in Louisiana and North Carolina recently.

    Don’t forget Georgia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_industry_in_Georgia#Ranking

    Georgia overtook California in 2016 as the state location with the most feature films produced.[3]

    http://www.georgia.org/industries/entertainment/georgia-film-tv-production/

  218. @L Woods
    Advocacy for pedophillia will put the left in conflict with feminists, who want to keep teenaged girls off-limits. Of course, when intersectionality clashes, womyn usually lose.

    Advocacy for pedophillia will put the left in conflict with feminists, who want to keep teenaged girls off-limits. Of course, when intersectionality clashes, womyn usually lose.

    Please, can we keep this conversation out of the gutter.

    You have no idea what you’re even talking about. Feminists are actually much more relaxed about teen sexuality than conservatives are, and we’re not putting our foot down to “hedge off competition.” We’ve already got ours. If our men aren’t going to dump us for twenty-year-olds, they’re not going to dump us for fifteen-year-olds either, should they ever be permitted to do so.

  219. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:

    “What evidence is there for the right’s assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches — Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc.”

    The assumption is that there are more gay men on the left (questionable BTW) than on the right. And leftwing Hollywood, being filled with gay men, seems ostensibly more likely to many people to be a den of iniquity than testosterone-fueled elite sports teams which are assumed to be mainly heterosexual (also questionable). I think it’s a numbers game for many: say you’ve got a town with a population of 20% felons, and it’s obvious to some people who did it whenever a window is broken.

    One way to answer this might be to ask whether heterosexual men are more/less likely to molest a kid – perhaps of the opposite sex – than a gay man. Don’t know if there is any data on that. Seems like a nice project to work on.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    How about sports coaches?

    I could imagine a big push to drive men out of jobs as coaches of girls to fight pedophilia, or only allow gay men those jobs.

  220. Ok, it’s clear now, you’ve been hacked. SMH at the Reddit shill-tier logic in this post (#216). Have you been ‘got to’, Steve? Told to play along or the site will be nuked? Perhaps you can blink out a coded message to us, I know the real Steve, who began my red-pilling nearly two decades ago, is still in there.

  221. @notanon

    I think part of the reason the right (and so many of your readers) believe this is that they conflate the definition of pedophilia to include sex with underage but post-pubescent children.
     
    i think it's cos people on the Right conflate the Left and the media.

    But it’s not outside the realm of possibility to see an attempt to lower the age of consent in certain states.
     
    yes - that's what they're aiming at - getting the age of consent down to 12-13 - and they'll use transgender kids to do it

    They’ve sure made a lot of progress in California, where the age of consent is 18.

    • Replies: @notanon
    sure - it's the tallest hurdle - still difficult even after breaking down all other taboos hence leave it to last
  222. @Jack Hanson
    Well, Steve, it does.

    Meanwhile you were wringing your hands to the bone over Trump's mean tone during the primary while your mash letters to Romney are public viewing, so maybe (as I advised in the post you whimmed) settle down with your high handedness about what the Right should be doing.

    Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won't discuss? Should we add it to Sailer's Butterknife?

    Steve’s good advice to the Right got Trump elected President. Steve Sailer changed history. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Ah, the unwarranted self importance of this niche blog strikes again.
  223. @Anon
    "What evidence is there for the right’s assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches — Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc."

    The assumption is that there are more gay men on the left (questionable BTW) than on the right. And leftwing Hollywood, being filled with gay men, seems ostensibly more likely to many people to be a den of iniquity than testosterone-fueled elite sports teams which are assumed to be mainly heterosexual (also questionable). I think it's a numbers game for many: say you've got a town with a population of 20% felons, and it's obvious to some people who did it whenever a window is broken.

    One way to answer this might be to ask whether heterosexual men are more/less likely to molest a kid - perhaps of the opposite sex - than a gay man. Don't know if there is any data on that. Seems like a nice project to work on.

    How about sports coaches?

    I could imagine a big push to drive men out of jobs as coaches of girls to fight pedophilia, or only allow gay men those jobs.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    The irony of Title IX is that before it existed, a man would never have coached girls sports.

    People seem to have no problems with obvious lesbians coaching girls. I guess it's because no one can get pregnant.
  224. @Anon
    "Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won’t discuss?"

    Actually, that's quite an interesting situation. It's strange how many rich, powerful females got caught up in this thing. It's almost like violent alpha males, even the crazy ones, are fly paper to the opposite sex.
  225. @Steve Sailer
    They've sure made a lot of progress in California, where the age of consent is 18.

    sure – it’s the tallest hurdle – still difficult even after breaking down all other taboos hence leave it to last

  226. @Steve Sailer
    What evidence is there for the right's assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches -- Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc.

    And take high culture figures: Nabokov wasn't a pedophile but he wrote the most famous novel about a pedophile, Lolita. But Nabokov was a National Review-subscribing conservative.

    Waugh wasn't a pedophile but his first novel, Decline and Fall, has lots of jokes about a fellow teacher, Mr. Grimes, who is obviously a pedophile.

    Well, everybody in Hollywood is a leftist, except Mel Gibson. So any pedophile or ephebophile caught red-handed there will be a leftie, it goes without saying.
    But in the general population, there doesn’t seem to be a strong correlation of pedophilia with any kind of political leaning, left or right.
    This much you can say though: the left is more tolerant of deviant behaviors.

  227. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    This is crazy. So kids would only be able to watch animated movies? Or only movies with all adult casts? Kids love those!
     
    When I was a kid, I hated movies about kids, or even movies wherein kids featured prominently. I wanted to watch movies about grown-ups doing interesting grown-up things.

    “When I was a kid, I hated movies about kids, or even movies wherein kids featured prominently. I wanted to watch movies about grown-ups doing interesting grown-up things.”

    I suspect you might be remembering your ‘big kid’ days (i.e- 12+) and ignoring (or forgetting) your younger years. But I could be wrong.

    Younger kids love this stuff. And they have the same pattern you mention, craving movies/books, etc. about those a little older. Toddlers like movies/tv shows/books about kindergartners. Young elementary school kids like movies/tv shows/books about older elementary kids and middle schoolers, but tend to stay away from stuff about younger kids. Middle schoolers eat up stuff about high schoolers, high schoolers eat up stuff about college ‘kids’, etc.

    I suspect in a way we’re probably all primed towards this sort of thing, maybe paying attention to the ‘older kids’ is a way to learn how to fit into society as you go along; whereas emulating younger kids is usually counterproductive. Maybe it never goes away. I find as I get older I could give two sh*ts about what’s popular with the Millenials.

  228. Anon[978] • Disclaimer says:

    “Georgia overtook California in 2016 as the state location with the most feature films produced.”

    That’s a start, but I’m talking about moving the apparatus itself – the studios and production companies, the talent agencies…maybe to Texas or Virginia or overseas. I’m hoping that a more conservative/traditional, ordinary folk, culture might yield creators more willing to defy leftist taboos/agitprop propaganda insertion into their film choices and possibly make some good movies again. At the very least, I think a confederation of red states should get together and form some kind of joint effort to form their own/lure away these industries – perhaps through tax credits or subsidies to domestic theaters that show locally produced movies.

    Could be wrong as that definitely wasn’t the case in the past, but then again things have changed for the worse since Obama was elected. At least half the country isn’t being served properly; the reception of the Rosanne revival proved that. The late night “comic” propaganda/Comedy Central propaganda and their continually falling ratings prove that. More Tosh, Anthony Cumia, Jimmy Norton, and Norm MacDonald, fewer losers like Stephen Colbert, Jim Jefferies, Samantha Bee, and Trevor Noah. There’s no sense in letting these people gatekeep the material normal people are allowed to see.

  229. i think different things are being jumbled together

    1) elite pedophile rings – rings of actual pedophiles like those that occur in other walks of life (e.g. sports coaches) but arguably more protected cos of their VIP status and blackmail potential

    2) elite transgression rings – transgressive sex of all kinds (teens maybe), drugs, “spirit cooking” (simulated cannibalism) etc – eyes wide shut stuff

    do these people want to normalize pedophilia – not particularly, the first cos they want to hide it and the second cos they like transgression

    3) media libertines who seem to have a compulsion to push against sexual taboos and so inevitably get to pedophilia sooner or later

    • Replies: @BB753
    There's a very thin line between 1) and 2). Who do you think procures kids to the elite transgression rings? Also, the latter also indulge in pedophilia. And their rituals include actual human sacrifices. Check out the book "Programmed to kill" by David McGowan. Most so-called serial killers were in fact contract killers or members of sects.

    http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/programmed-to-kill/
  230. Anon[978] • Disclaimer says:

    “How about sports coaches?”

    That might require a bit of intense Googling. I’m guessing that the direct approach – looking up stats of heterosexual men molesting underage girls and comparing it to the rate of gay men molesting underage boys – might not be a better approach…assuming anyone has bothered to do that.

    “I could imagine a big push to drive men out of jobs as coaches of girls to fight pedophilia, or only allow gay men those jobs.”

    No doubt. Women already look at a man alone in a park with a cautious eye. The next time some scandal like that happens, we might see a push to do so – social media being the way it is and all.

  231. @Alfa158
    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime, and then they proceed to clean out your premises. If you still have a copy of any material they siezed, or if they missed something and you still have it, are you in legal trouble?
    It’s hard to guess anymore what is illegal in our brave new post Bill of Rights regime.

    The only significant communication not priveleged would be actual efforts or plans to commit a crime .

    Trump: I’m looking to solicit and employ prostitutes without getting in trouble. Please tell me the best ways to avoid being caught and minimise any penalties if caught.

    Cohen: Okie dokie. Here’s what we do….

    I use this example because it is close to the one colourable argument, under the circumstances, that the communications were in fact of such a nature. Communications, even pretty controversial ones, are otherwise privileged. “I killed a man and hid the body in my backyard.” will almot always trigger, at the very least, some obligation for the lawyer to report the location of the corpse to the authorities, if not to divulge the identity of the client. This stuff quickly and easily turns into a rabbit hole (there is literally a en entire semester-length course dedicated entirely to ethics every ABA-accredited law school must teach all students before they graduate, filled with endless discussion of such examples, and then, too, of course, tough cases make bad law.

    The kind of agreed settlement about keeping quiet regarding a romp between consenting adults that seems to go on here is well within the realm of stuff protected by the privilege.

    Like Steve, I have no time nor interest in all the neener-neener-boo-boo, Spy. v. Spy nonsense going on, so I don’t follow this stuff at all – although I did pause when I heard the name on the radio today to ponder whether I’d actually seen that particular gal in one of my old man’s magazines back when – and I believe I did, so I cannot blame Trump for wanting to indulge, although adultery by a married man is still way not okay…. If, however, part of the gimmick of all the ballyhoo – and I don’t know if it is, but it might well be! – is that Cohen is accused of some crime and this conversation in some way is exculpatory evidence – i.e., there is something about this exchange that helps prove Cohen is innocent of whatever corny, made-up crime he is charged with (“lying to the FBI because your fifteenth deposition was not entirely consistent in its minutia with your first” seems to be the favourite such phony crime nowadays) – if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.

    My analysis, of course, is worth what I’ve charged for it, and I welcome criticism from anyone with more expertise in ethics and discipline – it’s absolutely not my wheelhouse, so you are getting a cardiologist’s opinion about your broken tibia here: not untrained, but hardly the best….

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.
     
    What's the applicable exception?
  232. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Well, Steve, it does.

    Meanwhile you were wringing your hands to the bone over Trump's mean tone during the primary while your mash letters to Romney are public viewing, so maybe (as I advised in the post you whimmed) settle down with your high handedness about what the Right should be doing.

    Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won't discuss? Should we add it to Sailer's Butterknife?

    You have missed the nuance in Steve’s critique. It is to be found here:

    and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.

    The problem is more that “the right” keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count–issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.

    The smartest commentariat on the Internet needs to step up its game.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I don't think "the Right" is getting caught up in anything, as far as the people who actually make decisions for the Republicans. All Ive seen is some very real "THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE" weirdness from Tru-Cons who cheer when a "racist" gets fired from their office job but explicit jokes about fucking children are what the First Amendment is about, who knew?

    I think Steve has a lot of sour grapes regarding Thernovitch getting a scalp, but that's me. Also a lot of utilizing Sailer's Butterknife to avoid uncomfortable truths (pedophile sex rings do exist).

    , @AnonAnon

    The problem is more that “the right” keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count–issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.
     
    The issues that really count - like immigration? We elected Trump to fix that and so far he's mostly sat on his hands. The nationalist vs. globalist fight, male v. female, good old days white America v. nu-America, stable nuclear family v. choose your pronoun, the insane amount of corruption in our government, the attacks on the first amendment, which of these is the one that really counts? We elected Trump to fix most of these and the "conservatives" in Congress are blocking him at every turn. As for seeing the James Gunn firing/pedophilia issue as a 'side issue' you haven't been paying enough attention. It's the tip of the iceberg that might help bring down the whole thing. The pedo, and I'll include child trafficking (so many of the elites are involved with charities and NGOs that "help" orphaned children) and the concurrent bizarre rituals, seems to run through a ton of the social media and connections of the elite, whether Hollywood or Washington. They may not all be pedos but they are pedo-adjacent and perhaps even pedo-complicit. It's an achilles heel we should exploit to the fullest.
  233. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    Won't happen as long as it's associated with Mormons.

    Eventually, could happen as it comes to be associated with African immigrants or Tibetans or something, but not Mormons.

    Won’t happen as long as it’s associated with Mormons.

    Polygamy is eugenic. It therefore won’t be permitted to happen as long as there exists in the country a critical mass of talented Whites able to practice it endogamously, i.e. be of benefit to the White population. (Mormons or the general White population.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    This will be of great utility for all those genetic studies explaining why Middle Eastern Muslims are, by and large, much more intelligent than Christians in the region.
    , @L Woods
    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”
  234. @PiltdownMan

    Losing a big franchise is a real setback, but his life has not been destroyed.
     
    After directing two movies that have grossed $1.6 billion worldwide it would be no real setback to him if he never directed a movie again in his life.

    With a net worth estimated at $100 million, he certainly is financially OK for a while. And so what if he never makes another movie for Disney? He will have backers for his movies as long as he makes them money.

  235. @Anon
    Kurt Schlichter writes like a teenager. So does David Cole. So do I, for that matter, though I have the excuse of having been one much more recently than either. Whatever happened to conservatives being the mature ones in the room?

    Deep philosophical treatises on whatever subject don’t move people. One hundred page policy papers don’t move people. The right did that and they lost. Having the moral high ground and playing for keeps is what it takes. Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man
     
    What does this have to do with being able to write like an adult man? For thousands of years writing was at a pretty uniformly high level with disastrous exceptions such as the Koran, which latter is understandable, because it was "written" by an illiterate and possibly a maniac. Are those the conditions that apply to our would-be statesmen today?
    , @Anon
    Here is a pamphlet that moved people: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/147/147-h/147-h.htm ; it was written by a literate and intelligent man.

    Here is another: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

    Once again, literate and intelligent.

    Here is a third: https://www.yorku.ca/comninel/courses/3025pdf/Killing_Noe_Murder.pdf

    I don't have any particular quarrel with the arguments of Cole or Schlichter, I just wish they wouldn't carry on the sophomorization of culture which I always assumed to be a leftist initiative. Or is it the inevitable result of the Age of Television? There's an ongoing discussion of this topic on Karlin's blog under "Where the Weirdos Come From", by the way.
  236. @MEH 0910
    Steve's good advice to the Right got Trump elected President. Steve Sailer changed history. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

    Ah, the unwarranted self importance of this niche blog strikes again.

  237. @Anon
    "Also is the NXIUM cult one of those things that you won’t discuss?"

    Actually, that's quite an interesting situation. It's strange how many rich, powerful females got caught up in this thing. It's almost like violent alpha males, even the crazy ones, are fly paper to the opposite sex.

    I referenced it because Steve is doing awful hand waving / whistling past the graveyard damage control regarding the existence of secret sex cults.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The NXIVM case is in a different category than the Gunn/Harmon/Black tweet scandal topic of this thread. To me, the secretive NXIVM cult is something of a weird news sideshow and not anything relevant to Steve’s blog.

    Now of course I agree that cults like NXIVM should be exposed, and any lawbreakers caught and punished, but the whole sordid affair is IMHO a silly clusterfuck comprising of barely sympathetic adult ‘victims’ who quite possibly are consenting masochists who need a weird ‘master’ in their life to treat them like shit and take their money.

    The catnip of NXIVM to some observers is the Hollyweird / rich kid angle, which feeds into visions of Eyes Wide Shut secret ‘society’ debauchery featuring names we all recognize. To me, none of that is surprising. What interests me: Are real crimes being committed? Okay, bring on the perp walk—which is happening. But if some D-list bimbo wants to get branded... LOL. There’s a ton of freaks out there.

    (Not from you, but there’s also an amusing ‘beta male’ fascination about Raniere himself—“What’s his secret, man? All those actresses! How can I get my own harem??? What makes hot women tick? Steve, share your insights on this dude!”)
  238. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @CAL2
    Deep philosophical treatises on whatever subject don't move people. One hundred page policy papers don't move people. The right did that and they lost. Having the moral high ground and playing for keeps is what it takes. Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man.

    Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man

    What does this have to do with being able to write like an adult man? For thousands of years writing was at a pretty uniformly high level with disastrous exceptions such as the Koran, which latter is understandable, because it was “written” by an illiterate and possibly a maniac. Are those the conditions that apply to our would-be statesmen today?

  239. @Anonymous

    Won’t happen as long as it’s associated with Mormons.
     
    Polygamy is eugenic. It therefore won't be permitted to happen as long as there exists in the country a critical mass of talented Whites able to practice it endogamously, i.e. be of benefit to the White population. (Mormons or the general White population.)

    This will be of great utility for all those genetic studies explaining why Middle Eastern Muslims are, by and large, much more intelligent than Christians in the region.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are some important confounding variables you seem to have overlooked.
  240. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    The only significant communication not priveleged would be actual efforts or plans to commit a crime .

    Trump: I'm looking to solicit and employ prostitutes without getting in trouble. Please tell me the best ways to avoid being caught and minimise any penalties if caught.

    Cohen: Okie dokie. Here's what we do....
     
    I use this example because it is close to the one colourable argument, under the circumstances, that the communications were in fact of such a nature. Communications, even pretty controversial ones, are otherwise privileged. "I killed a man and hid the body in my backyard." will almot always trigger, at the very least, some obligation for the lawyer to report the location of the corpse to the authorities, if not to divulge the identity of the client. This stuff quickly and easily turns into a rabbit hole (there is literally a en entire semester-length course dedicated entirely to ethics every ABA-accredited law school must teach all students before they graduate, filled with endless discussion of such examples, and then, too, of course, tough cases make bad law.

    The kind of agreed settlement about keeping quiet regarding a romp between consenting adults that seems to go on here is well within the realm of stuff protected by the privilege.

    Like Steve, I have no time nor interest in all the neener-neener-boo-boo, Spy. v. Spy nonsense going on, so I don't follow this stuff at all – although I did pause when I heard the name on the radio today to ponder whether I'd actually seen that particular gal in one of my old man's magazines back when – and I believe I did, so I cannot blame Trump for wanting to indulge, although adultery by a married man is still way not okay.... If, however, part of the gimmick of all the ballyhoo – and I don't know if it is, but it might well be! – is that Cohen is accused of some crime and this conversation in some way is exculpatory evidence – i.e., there is something about this exchange that helps prove Cohen is innocent of whatever corny, made-up crime he is charged with ("lying to the FBI because your fifteenth deposition was not entirely consistent in its minutia with your first" seems to be the favourite such phony crime nowadays) – if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.

    My analysis, of course, is worth what I've charged for it, and I welcome criticism from anyone with more expertise in ethics and discipline – it's absolutely not my wheelhouse, so you are getting a cardiologist's opinion about your broken tibia here: not untrained, but hardly the best....

    if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.

    What’s the applicable exception?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    It's an old (and, for all I know, superannuated) copy of the relevant document, but here is is the Model Code of Responsibility. Every state has some similar code regulating lawyers' conduct, most now based on the model code. It contains far more detail than you'll want to read. Some of the relevant verbiage:

    [A] communication by a client to his attorney in respect to the future commission of an unlawful act or to a continuing wrong is not privileged from disclosure. Public policy forbids that the relation of attorney and client should be used to conceal wrongdoing on the part of the client.

    Disciplinary Rule 4-104(C): Preservation of Confidences & Secrets of a Client

    A lawyer may reveal:
    (1) - Confidences or secrets with the consent of the client or clients affected, but only after a full disclosure to them.
    (2) - Confidences or secrets when permitted under Disciplinary Rules or required by law or court order.
    (3) - The intention of his client to commit a crime and the information necessary to prevent the crime.
    (4) - Confidences or secrets necessary to establish or collect his fee or to defend himself or his employees or associates against an accusation of wrongful conduct.

    See also Note 19:

    [T]he adjudicated cases recognize an exception to the rule [that a lawyer shall not reveal the confidences of his client], where disclosure is necessary to protect the attorney’s interests arising out of the relation of attorney and client in which disclosure was made.... The attorney may disclose information received from the client when it becomes necessary for his own protection, as if the client should bring an action against the attorney for negligence or misconduct, and it became necessary for the attorney to show what his instructions were, or what was the nature of the duty which the client expected him to perform. So if it became necessary for the attorney to bring an action against the client, the client’s privilege could not prevent the attorney from disclosing what was essential as a means of obtaining or defending his own rights.... It has frequently been held that the rule as to privileged communications does not apply when litigation arises between attorney and client to the extent that their communications are relevant to the issue. In such cases, if the disclosure of privileged communications becomes necessary to protect the attorney’s rights, he is released from those obligations of secrecy which the law places upon him. He should not, however, disclose more than is necessary for his own protection. It would be a manifest injustice to allow the client to take advantage of the rule of exclusion as to professional confidence to the prejudice of his attorney, or that it should be carried to the extent of depriving the attorney of the means of obtaining or defending his own rights. In such cases the attorney is exempted from the obligations of secrecy.
     

    N.B. There is a distinction not entirely unimportant between confidentiality and privilege, but going into that would make even me as sleepy as any reader.

    For what it is worth, I think Cohen is a complete shit-bird for recording and disclosing this conversation, unless I am missing some gigantic and relevant aspect of what goes on. Trump is a shit-bird if he was cheating on his wife, but any morally upright lawyer (spare me the smart remarks) is absolutely horrified at the idea of violating confidence; there is a sacred trust there akin to that of a father confessor. And breaking this confidence is disastrous pragmatically, too, for the same reason torturing soldiers who surrender is: it can and will keep people from seeking legal advice in an effort to comply with the law (they'll get in trouble anyway!) in the same way torture in war keeps the other fellow from giving up to avoid bloodshed (he'll be beaten and killed anyway!). Destroying this confidence actually increases crime.

    Sad.

  241. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @CAL2
    Deep philosophical treatises on whatever subject don't move people. One hundred page policy papers don't move people. The right did that and they lost. Having the moral high ground and playing for keeps is what it takes. Tit-for-tat or an eye for an eye is a moral position as old as man.

    Here is a pamphlet that moved people: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/147/147-h/147-h.htm ; it was written by a literate and intelligent man.

    Here is another: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

    Once again, literate and intelligent.

    Here is a third: https://www.yorku.ca/comninel/courses/3025pdf/Killing_Noe_Murder.pdf

    I don’t have any particular quarrel with the arguments of Cole or Schlichter, I just wish they wouldn’t carry on the sophomorization of culture which I always assumed to be a leftist initiative. Or is it the inevitable result of the Age of Television? There’s an ongoing discussion of this topic on Karlin’s blog under “Where the Weirdos Come From”, by the way.

  242. @Anonymous
    You have missed the nuance in Steve's critique. It is to be found here:

    and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.
     
    The problem is more that "the right" keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count--issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.

    The smartest commentariat on the Internet needs to step up its game.

    I don’t think “the Right” is getting caught up in anything, as far as the people who actually make decisions for the Republicans. All Ive seen is some very real “THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE” weirdness from Tru-Cons who cheer when a “racist” gets fired from their office job but explicit jokes about fucking children are what the First Amendment is about, who knew?

    I think Steve has a lot of sour grapes regarding Thernovitch getting a scalp, but that’s me. Also a lot of utilizing Sailer’s Butterknife to avoid uncomfortable truths (pedophile sex rings do exist).

  243. @donut
    Isn't this bordering on child pornography ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=uDTq69rFRY8

    WTF ?

    I believe that video can be prosecuted if there is any DA willing to take on Hollywood. The danger is the 9th Circuit sides with Harmon and then we have set a dangerous precedent. The case has to be brought in a sane jurisdiction and I think Harmon can get jail time.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Will Adult Swim fire Harmon? "Rick and Morty" is a very successful cartoon series.
  244. @Anon
    Muh culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MsvER1dpjM

    When did she OD on Heroine?

  245. @notanon
    i think different things are being jumbled together

    1) elite pedophile rings - rings of actual pedophiles like those that occur in other walks of life (e.g. sports coaches) but arguably more protected cos of their VIP status and blackmail potential

    2) elite transgression rings - transgressive sex of all kinds (teens maybe), drugs, "spirit cooking" (simulated cannibalism) etc - eyes wide shut stuff

    do these people want to normalize pedophilia - not particularly, the first cos they want to hide it and the second cos they like transgression

    3) media libertines who seem to have a compulsion to push against sexual taboos and so inevitably get to pedophilia sooner or later

    There’s a very thin line between 1) and 2). Who do you think procures kids to the elite transgression rings? Also, the latter also indulge in pedophilia. And their rituals include actual human sacrifices. Check out the book “Programmed to kill” by David McGowan. Most so-called serial killers were in fact contract killers or members of sects.

    http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/programmed-to-kill/

  246. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    This will be of great utility for all those genetic studies explaining why Middle Eastern Muslims are, by and large, much more intelligent than Christians in the region.

    There are some important confounding variables you seem to have overlooked.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I have not overlooked them any more than you have; I'm just returning a verdict of Not Proven on your thesis.
  247. @Clifford Brown
    I believe that video can be prosecuted if there is any DA willing to take on Hollywood. The danger is the 9th Circuit sides with Harmon and then we have set a dangerous precedent. The case has to be brought in a sane jurisdiction and I think Harmon can get jail time.

    Will Adult Swim fire Harmon? “Rick and Morty” is a very successful cartoon series.

  248. @Anonymous
    You have missed the nuance in Steve's critique. It is to be found here:

    and thus keeps getting outmaneuvered by what the left actually favors.
     
    The problem is more that "the right" keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count--issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.

    The smartest commentariat on the Internet needs to step up its game.

    The problem is more that “the right” keeps getting distracted away from issues that really count–issues that would probably be winning issues. The primary drawback of this issue is the distraction factor, but there is also a not insignificant risk that it will turn out to be a nothingburger in itself.

    The issues that really count – like immigration? We elected Trump to fix that and so far he’s mostly sat on his hands. The nationalist vs. globalist fight, male v. female, good old days white America v. nu-America, stable nuclear family v. choose your pronoun, the insane amount of corruption in our government, the attacks on the first amendment, which of these is the one that really counts? We elected Trump to fix most of these and the “conservatives” in Congress are blocking him at every turn. As for seeing the James Gunn firing/pedophilia issue as a ‘side issue’ you haven’t been paying enough attention. It’s the tip of the iceberg that might help bring down the whole thing. The pedo, and I’ll include child trafficking (so many of the elites are involved with charities and NGOs that “help” orphaned children) and the concurrent bizarre rituals, seems to run through a ton of the social media and connections of the elite, whether Hollywood or Washington. They may not all be pedos but they are pedo-adjacent and perhaps even pedo-complicit. It’s an achilles heel we should exploit to the fullest.

  249. @Anonymous
    There are some important confounding variables you seem to have overlooked.

    I have not overlooked them any more than you have; I’m just returning a verdict of Not Proven on your thesis.

  250. @James Kabala
    The main thing I get from the Gunn controversy (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser) is that there are people out there for whom pedophilia occupies a large portion of their head space. Maybe not without reason, considering the scandals in the Church, at Penn State, etc., but some people take it to an excessive level. Sometimes it comes out as these bizarre jokes, and sometimes it comes out as an obsessive search for pedophiles under every rock. If Gunn and Black were on the right (but otherwise had more or less the same personality and character), they would not be normal people who rarely think about pedophilia, they would be leading the Pizzagate mob.

    (and similar tweets by Michael Ian Black that were actually even grosser)

    Black, (nee Schwartz) writes books for children:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ian_Black

    “A hilarious new book about a boy who refuses to wear clothes, from comedian Michael Ian Black and illustrator Debbi Ridpath…”

    https://books.google.com/books/about/Naked.html?id=BYIyAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Having a difficult time seeing a benign explanation for all of this.

  251. @Mr. Anon
    A lot of the secret-society/illuminati stuff just seems loopy. It's just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message. Hell, it's almost impossible to get any three people to agree what to order on a pizza.

    And yet,..................

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-month-1117/

    What's up with the one-eyed thing? And, to a lesser extent, the devil-horns.

    At the very least, there might almost seem to be some kind of sinister conspiracy among fashion photographers.



    And the Podesta brothers, and their sick tastes in "art" are just straight-up creepy.

    Steve Sailer said:

    That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.

    Mr. Anon said:

    It’s just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message.

    You see the problem here, and I emphasize that these are both very common arguments for dismissing these kinds of things out of hand. There are still taboos against discussing the Kennedy assassinations, or the 911 attacks, but I have never in my life seen anything remotely like the taboo against discussing elite pedophile rings. The Marc Dutroux case is probably the most illuminating, in many respects, since there were massive public protests in Belgium that shut the country down for a few days, yet the Belgian elites carried on with the most outrageous coverup imaginable, and nothing could be done.

    There’s a decent BBC documentary about this, although at the very time they made this, the BBC was employing and covering up for Jimmy Savile!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    There are still taboos against discussing the Kennedy assassinations, or the 911 attacks,.....
     
    Not many, as far as I can tell. Hollywood is full of 911 truthers, many of whom talked about it openly, back when it was more in fashion. And openly stating one's opinion that the Kennedy assassination was due to a conspiracy has been okay for some time; it's not a career killer.

    But I see your broader point and concede that there is some truth to that. That is a taboo which really is a taboo.
  252. @Steve Sailer
    The next taboo that the Left will attempt to normalize will be polygamy, 100% guaranteed.

    Won't happen as long as it's associated with Mormons.

    Eventually, could happen as it comes to be associated with African immigrants or Tibetans or something, but not Mormons.

    Ugh, I’m relatively new to Unz and really don’t want to come off as a Glad Hand, but, yeah, you’re 100% correct: the polygamy stage ain’t happening unless we get above around 6-8% Islamification.

    Stumbling onto your blog has been the most interesting thing that’s happened to me in quite some time. Thank you so much for the work that you do.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Could you tell us a little more about how you came upon the blog and when?

    And, especially, what has made it a highly interesting happening in your life? Could you elaborate?

    --Someone who has been doing some thinking recently about sharing Steve's blog more widely, and who may have a similar feeling as you do about its importance in their life.
  253. @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    Not a single victim come out? Look up Gerry Studds and Barney Frank, among others.

  254. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @kimchilover
    Ugh, I'm relatively new to Unz and really don't want to come off as a Glad Hand, but, yeah, you're 100% correct: the polygamy stage ain't happening unless we get above around 6-8% Islamification.

    Stumbling onto your blog has been the most interesting thing that's happened to me in quite some time. Thank you so much for the work that you do.

    Could you tell us a little more about how you came upon the blog and when?

    And, especially, what has made it a highly interesting happening in your life? Could you elaborate?

    –Someone who has been doing some thinking recently about sharing Steve’s blog more widely, and who may have a similar feeling as you do about its importance in their life.

  255. @Tim Howells
    Steve Sailer said:

    That’s how you can tell who is a member of this carefully organized cabal: the more pedo jokes they tweet out to the entire random world, the higher ranking they are in the secret inner circle.
     
    Mr. Anon said:

    It’s just really hard to credit multi-generational conspiracies where everyone stays on message.
     
    You see the problem here, and I emphasize that these are both very common arguments for dismissing these kinds of things out of hand. There are still taboos against discussing the Kennedy assassinations, or the 911 attacks, but I have never in my life seen anything remotely like the taboo against discussing elite pedophile rings. The Marc Dutroux case is probably the most illuminating, in many respects, since there were massive public protests in Belgium that shut the country down for a few days, yet the Belgian elites carried on with the most outrageous coverup imaginable, and nothing could be done.

    There's a decent BBC documentary about this, although at the very time they made this, the BBC was employing and covering up for Jimmy Savile!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0DB7qhI7c

    There are still taboos against discussing the Kennedy assassinations, or the 911 attacks,…..

    Not many, as far as I can tell. Hollywood is full of 911 truthers, many of whom talked about it openly, back when it was more in fashion. And openly stating one’s opinion that the Kennedy assassination was due to a conspiracy has been okay for some time; it’s not a career killer.

    But I see your broader point and concede that there is some truth to that. That is a taboo which really is a taboo.

  256. @Lot
    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch. If DC was a nest of pedo rings, why has not a single victim come out?

    The guy Hastert was paying off was kind of a depressed loser and gay, so not necessarily credible. And yet when the stream of cash withdrawals was flagged, prosecutors jumped in to prosecute him for them because they were outraged over the 30+ year old crimes past the statue of limitations.

    Child abusers and porn rings get busted by the feds all the time, and often with multi-decade sentences. And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    Hastert did his pedo as a small town wrestling coach. Once he got to DC, no indication he continued, despite reaching the height of power, co-leader of the legislative branch.

    Hastert was sexually abusing teenage boys as a wrestling coach in a small town. Perhaps once he got to DC he was able to find teenage boys for hire. Although one might still have expected one of his tricks to out him for political reasons or out of spite. Then again, the Congress had – for many years, apparently – a slush fund for paying off sexual harrassment claims that the public was unaware of. Most people were unaware that Congressman were kiting checks on the House post-office and engaging in insider stock-trading without any penalty too.

    And the second part of what you wrote there raises a flag: no indication that he continued. Do molesters just turn off their urges like that?

    It is also interesting to note that Hasterts indictments were handed down just prior to the House voting on the USA Freedom Act (which, as one would expect from the name, will be used to undermine our freedom). Pour Encourager les Autres?

    And nobody offers to expose the supposedly high profile child rapists to get a lighter sentence?

    Maybe they know what’s good for ’em.

  257. @Prester John
    I've heard the rumors. Somewhere in the Caribbean? Haiti?

    rumors

    It’s more than just “rumors” — Clinton’s name appears in the flight logs — Epstein owns a small island in the Caribbean.

  258. @Jack Hanson
    I referenced it because Steve is doing awful hand waving / whistling past the graveyard damage control regarding the existence of secret sex cults.

    The NXIVM case is in a different category than the Gunn/Harmon/Black tweet scandal topic of this thread. To me, the secretive NXIVM cult is something of a weird news sideshow and not anything relevant to Steve’s blog.

    Now of course I agree that cults like NXIVM should be exposed, and any lawbreakers caught and punished, but the whole sordid affair is IMHO a silly clusterfuck comprising of barely sympathetic adult ‘victims’ who quite possibly are consenting masochists who need a weird ‘master’ in their life to treat them like shit and take their money.

    The catnip of NXIVM to some observers is the Hollyweird / rich kid angle, which feeds into visions of Eyes Wide Shut secret ‘society’ debauchery featuring names we all recognize. To me, none of that is surprising. What interests me: Are real crimes being committed? Okay, bring on the perp walk—which is happening. But if some D-list bimbo wants to get branded… LOL. There’s a ton of freaks out there.

    (Not from you, but there’s also an amusing ‘beta male’ fascination about Raniere himself—“What’s his secret, man? All those actresses! How can I get my own harem??? What makes hot women tick? Steve, share your insights on this dude!”)

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I brought up NXIUM in the context of showing a real world example of the kind of secret sex cult Steve is insisting totally can't exist.

    As far as what theyre getting perp walked for, there seems to be a lot of financial crimes interspersed with kidnapping, battery, and other such.
    , @BB753
    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.
    Why would Steve Sailer look into the NXIVM cult?
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/sex-cult-heiress-clare-bronfman-paid-staggering-135m-for-bail/news-story/6b182af6aaa8e5b08fd5c1c85dfc0e34
  259. @Anonymous

    if the taped exchange is somehow relevant to exculpate Cohen himself of a crime, then an exception to the privilege will lie.
     
    What's the applicable exception?

    It’s an old (and, for all I know, superannuated) copy of the relevant document, but here is is the Model Code of Responsibility. Every state has some similar code regulating lawyers’ conduct, most now based on the model code. It contains far more detail than you’ll want to read. Some of the relevant verbiage:

    [A] communication by a client to his attorney in respect to the future commission of an unlawful act or to a continuing wrong is not privileged from disclosure. Public policy forbids that the relation of attorney and client should be used to conceal wrongdoing on the part of the client.

    Disciplinary Rule 4-104(C): Preservation of Confidences & Secrets of a Client

    A lawyer may reveal:
    (1) – Confidences or secrets with the consent of the client or clients affected, but only after a full disclosure to them.
    (2) – Confidences or secrets when permitted under Disciplinary Rules or required by law or court order.
    (3) – The intention of his client to commit a crime and the information necessary to prevent the crime.
    (4) – Confidences or secrets necessary to establish or collect his fee or to defend himself or his employees or associates against an accusation of wrongful conduct.

    See also Note 19:

    [T]he adjudicated cases recognize an exception to the rule [that a lawyer shall not reveal the confidences of his client], where disclosure is necessary to protect the attorney’s interests arising out of the relation of attorney and client in which disclosure was made…. The attorney may disclose information received from the client when it becomes necessary for his own protection, as if the client should bring an action against the attorney for negligence or misconduct, and it became necessary for the attorney to show what his instructions were, or what was the nature of the duty which the client expected him to perform. So if it became necessary for the attorney to bring an action against the client, the client’s privilege could not prevent the attorney from disclosing what was essential as a means of obtaining or defending his own rights…. It has frequently been held that the rule as to privileged communications does not apply when litigation arises between attorney and client to the extent that their communications are relevant to the issue. In such cases, if the disclosure of privileged communications becomes necessary to protect the attorney’s rights, he is released from those obligations of secrecy which the law places upon him. He should not, however, disclose more than is necessary for his own protection. It would be a manifest injustice to allow the client to take advantage of the rule of exclusion as to professional confidence to the prejudice of his attorney, or that it should be carried to the extent of depriving the attorney of the means of obtaining or defending his own rights. In such cases the attorney is exempted from the obligations of secrecy.

    N.B. There is a distinction not entirely unimportant between confidentiality and privilege, but going into that would make even me as sleepy as any reader.

    For what it is worth, I think Cohen is a complete shit-bird for recording and disclosing this conversation, unless I am missing some gigantic and relevant aspect of what goes on. Trump is a shit-bird if he was cheating on his wife, but any morally upright lawyer (spare me the smart remarks) is absolutely horrified at the idea of violating confidence; there is a sacred trust there akin to that of a father confessor. And breaking this confidence is disastrous pragmatically, too, for the same reason torturing soldiers who surrender is: it can and will keep people from seeking legal advice in an effort to comply with the law (they’ll get in trouble anyway!) in the same way torture in war keeps the other fellow from giving up to avoid bloodshed (he’ll be beaten and killed anyway!). Destroying this confidence actually increases crime.

    Sad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Interesting commentary. Thanks. Those rules seem intended to apply to situations where the client has put the attorney's conduct at issue. I wonder if they contemplated disputes with third parties. There is reason to think they didn't if the justification for abrogating the attorney-client privilege is that the client in some sense had a choice in the matter. A kind of implied waiver. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
  260. @Anonymous

    Won’t happen as long as it’s associated with Mormons.
     
    Polygamy is eugenic. It therefore won't be permitted to happen as long as there exists in the country a critical mass of talented Whites able to practice it endogamously, i.e. be of benefit to the White population. (Mormons or the general White population.)

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    I get the train of thought, which is that rich men (and, therefore, better men) will have more children. But for a number of reasons it does not really work out in the real world.

    Good point bringing up Africa.
    , @Rosie

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”
     
    Please pray explain what evidence you have that women prefer to share the "Big man."

    How many times do I have to kill this lie before it stays dead? Have you no shame?
    , @Anonymous
    Because the Big Man's having achieved Big Man status over betas suggests he possesses more adaptive genetic traits.
  261. @L Woods
    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”

    I get the train of thought, which is that rich men (and, therefore, better men) will have more children. But for a number of reasons it does not really work out in the real world.

    Good point bringing up Africa.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Where would Africa be without it?
  262. @Steve Sailer
    What evidence is there for the right's assumption that sexual abusers of underage individuals tend to be more on the left than the right? Hollywood is on the left, but sports tend to be on the right, and there have been lots of big scandals involving coaches -- Jerry Sandusky, Denny Hastert, Larry Nasar, etc.

    And take high culture figures: Nabokov wasn't a pedophile but he wrote the most famous novel about a pedophile, Lolita. But Nabokov was a National Review-subscribing conservative.

    Waugh wasn't a pedophile but his first novel, Decline and Fall, has lots of jokes about a fellow teacher, Mr. Grimes, who is obviously a pedophile.

    I don’t think that what Hastert did should be called pedophilia. The youngest boy he molested was 14. The generally accepted cut off age for pedophilia is 13. Technically, pedophilia is attraction toward prepubescent children. High school wrestlers do not fall into this category.

    I’m not defending the creep. He took sexual advantages with young students under his care and authority. I just wouldn’t call it pedophilia.

  263. @L Woods
    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”

    Please pray explain what evidence you have that women prefer to share the “Big man.”

    How many times do I have to kill this lie before it stays dead? Have you no shame?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Really it seems that the evidence is overwhelming that women would prefer a superior man father their child to having an inferior one to themselves.
    , @BB753
    You haven't been around much, Rosie, right?
    , @ScarletNumber
    Well no one believes you...
  264. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The NXIVM case is in a different category than the Gunn/Harmon/Black tweet scandal topic of this thread. To me, the secretive NXIVM cult is something of a weird news sideshow and not anything relevant to Steve’s blog.

    Now of course I agree that cults like NXIVM should be exposed, and any lawbreakers caught and punished, but the whole sordid affair is IMHO a silly clusterfuck comprising of barely sympathetic adult ‘victims’ who quite possibly are consenting masochists who need a weird ‘master’ in their life to treat them like shit and take their money.

    The catnip of NXIVM to some observers is the Hollyweird / rich kid angle, which feeds into visions of Eyes Wide Shut secret ‘society’ debauchery featuring names we all recognize. To me, none of that is surprising. What interests me: Are real crimes being committed? Okay, bring on the perp walk—which is happening. But if some D-list bimbo wants to get branded... LOL. There’s a ton of freaks out there.

    (Not from you, but there’s also an amusing ‘beta male’ fascination about Raniere himself—“What’s his secret, man? All those actresses! How can I get my own harem??? What makes hot women tick? Steve, share your insights on this dude!”)

    I brought up NXIUM in the context of showing a real world example of the kind of secret sex cult Steve is insisting totally can’t exist.

    As far as what theyre getting perp walked for, there seems to be a lot of financial crimes interspersed with kidnapping, battery, and other such.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Right, but NXIVM wasn't even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.
    For instance, the Manson Family did both things.
    Charles Manson was a career criminal with an incredible charisma who got himself a great criminal gang, complete with mind-slaves. He ran drugs, made porn and snuff films, did hits on people. He was also connected to the LA mafia. His cult followers, his family, did most of the work for him: the Manson chicks were not only attractive young women who could be used to lure victims, for prostitution, to shoot porn, they were also cold-blooded criminals. Useful because the LaBianca and Tate murders were first and foremost hit-jobs: Leno LaBianca was a rival drug trafficker and so was Frykowski, who was murdered in Polanski's house. So, Manson's Family was some sort of hippie/satanic mafia. It was about the money, and revenge too. Clouded in a drug-induced cultic mist.

    As for NXIVM, my take is that Rainiere (a Brooklyn Italian con-man) or the Bronfman sisters (grand-daughters of a gangster bootlegger) got too ambitious, or rubbed the wrong people off. Who knows?
    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn't interested.

  265. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    It's an old (and, for all I know, superannuated) copy of the relevant document, but here is is the Model Code of Responsibility. Every state has some similar code regulating lawyers' conduct, most now based on the model code. It contains far more detail than you'll want to read. Some of the relevant verbiage:

    [A] communication by a client to his attorney in respect to the future commission of an unlawful act or to a continuing wrong is not privileged from disclosure. Public policy forbids that the relation of attorney and client should be used to conceal wrongdoing on the part of the client.

    Disciplinary Rule 4-104(C): Preservation of Confidences & Secrets of a Client

    A lawyer may reveal:
    (1) - Confidences or secrets with the consent of the client or clients affected, but only after a full disclosure to them.
    (2) - Confidences or secrets when permitted under Disciplinary Rules or required by law or court order.
    (3) - The intention of his client to commit a crime and the information necessary to prevent the crime.
    (4) - Confidences or secrets necessary to establish or collect his fee or to defend himself or his employees or associates against an accusation of wrongful conduct.

    See also Note 19:

    [T]he adjudicated cases recognize an exception to the rule [that a lawyer shall not reveal the confidences of his client], where disclosure is necessary to protect the attorney’s interests arising out of the relation of attorney and client in which disclosure was made.... The attorney may disclose information received from the client when it becomes necessary for his own protection, as if the client should bring an action against the attorney for negligence or misconduct, and it became necessary for the attorney to show what his instructions were, or what was the nature of the duty which the client expected him to perform. So if it became necessary for the attorney to bring an action against the client, the client’s privilege could not prevent the attorney from disclosing what was essential as a means of obtaining or defending his own rights.... It has frequently been held that the rule as to privileged communications does not apply when litigation arises between attorney and client to the extent that their communications are relevant to the issue. In such cases, if the disclosure of privileged communications becomes necessary to protect the attorney’s rights, he is released from those obligations of secrecy which the law places upon him. He should not, however, disclose more than is necessary for his own protection. It would be a manifest injustice to allow the client to take advantage of the rule of exclusion as to professional confidence to the prejudice of his attorney, or that it should be carried to the extent of depriving the attorney of the means of obtaining or defending his own rights. In such cases the attorney is exempted from the obligations of secrecy.
     

    N.B. There is a distinction not entirely unimportant between confidentiality and privilege, but going into that would make even me as sleepy as any reader.

    For what it is worth, I think Cohen is a complete shit-bird for recording and disclosing this conversation, unless I am missing some gigantic and relevant aspect of what goes on. Trump is a shit-bird if he was cheating on his wife, but any morally upright lawyer (spare me the smart remarks) is absolutely horrified at the idea of violating confidence; there is a sacred trust there akin to that of a father confessor. And breaking this confidence is disastrous pragmatically, too, for the same reason torturing soldiers who surrender is: it can and will keep people from seeking legal advice in an effort to comply with the law (they'll get in trouble anyway!) in the same way torture in war keeps the other fellow from giving up to avoid bloodshed (he'll be beaten and killed anyway!). Destroying this confidence actually increases crime.

    Sad.

    Interesting commentary. Thanks. Those rules seem intended to apply to situations where the client has put the attorney’s conduct at issue. I wonder if they contemplated disputes with third parties. There is reason to think they didn’t if the justification for abrogating the attorney-client privilege is that the client in some sense had a choice in the matter. A kind of implied waiver. That doesn’t seem to be the case here.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    No, no; the lawyer may also break the confidence when accused of tortious or criminal acts by third parties in situations whereby the breached confidence is necessary to exculpate the lawyer. Meyerhoffer v. Empire Marine & Fire Ins. Co., 497 F.2d 1190 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 419 U.S. 998 (1974); and In Re Friend, 411 F.Supp. 776 (S.D.N.Y. 1975) are the leading cases establishing that inclusion of defense against allegations by third parties (including prosecutors!), not just those by clients or former clients.

    Here is a nice overview of the so-called "self-defense exception":

    In Meyerhoffer ... the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that the American Bar Association’s ethical rules permitted an attorney to defend himself against the accusations of a third party by revealing confidential client communications.... Significantly, not only did the attorney in Meyerhoffer disclose communications which the client legitimately believed would be protected, but it appears that the plaintiff was able to make use of the attorney’s disclosures to bolster the plaintiffs case against the attorney’s former client.

    Meyerhoffer and Friend hold that when the attorney is charged with misconduct or illegal behavior by a third party, such as any civil or criminal action brought against an attorney by a party other than the current or former client or by a current or former client not implicated in the instant action, the attorney may invoke the self defense exception and disclose otherwise privileged and confidential information, even if that disclosure is to the detriment of the (former) client. Indeed, Friend implies that disclosure of confidential communication may be permitted in order for the attorney to defend herself prospectively against criminal charges.

    In Friend, Attorney Solomon Friend and his client were targets of a federal grand jury investigation. Friend applied for leave to turn over documents concerning his client which, he asserted, would establish his innocence. Significantly, the grand jury had not yet handed up an indictment when this offer was made. Notwithstanding that formal charges had not been filed, the court, citing Meyerhoffer, held that DR 4-101 entitled Friend to disclose the documents. The court noted “although as yet, no formal accusation has been made against Mr. Friend, it will be senseless to require the stigma of an indictment to attach prior to allowing Mr. Friend to invoke the exception…in his own defense.”
     
  266. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods
    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”

    Because the Big Man’s having achieved Big Man status over betas suggests he possesses more adaptive genetic traits.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    “Adaptivity” is not in itself a positive thing in a dysgenic context. If you think positive, civilization-building traits are rewarded with sexual success today or in the state of nature (especially the former), you’re delusional.
  267. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”
     
    Please pray explain what evidence you have that women prefer to share the "Big man."

    How many times do I have to kill this lie before it stays dead? Have you no shame?

    Really it seems that the evidence is overwhelming that women would prefer a superior man father their child to having an inferior one to themselves.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    You say the evidence is "overwhelming," so cite some.
  268. @Anonymous

    Growing up a sheltered child who was unleashed into mid-90s pop culture, I’ll never be able to shake off the impression that Hollywood and the music industry are run by some truly sinister people actively looking to debase their customers.
     
    This is not an experience most of us have had the opportunity to have. Could you please elaborate? What struck you in particular, as you came out of your bubble? What are some specific examples of possible attempts at debasement?

    Think Mylie Cyrus, Lady Gaga, Madonna etc etc just off the top of my head with no attempt at a deep dive into the filth being churned out in recent years. Possibly we have the fish/water problem in trying to point out to younger people that this stuff is not normal.

  269. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The NXIVM case is in a different category than the Gunn/Harmon/Black tweet scandal topic of this thread. To me, the secretive NXIVM cult is something of a weird news sideshow and not anything relevant to Steve’s blog.

    Now of course I agree that cults like NXIVM should be exposed, and any lawbreakers caught and punished, but the whole sordid affair is IMHO a silly clusterfuck comprising of barely sympathetic adult ‘victims’ who quite possibly are consenting masochists who need a weird ‘master’ in their life to treat them like shit and take their money.

    The catnip of NXIVM to some observers is the Hollyweird / rich kid angle, which feeds into visions of Eyes Wide Shut secret ‘society’ debauchery featuring names we all recognize. To me, none of that is surprising. What interests me: Are real crimes being committed? Okay, bring on the perp walk—which is happening. But if some D-list bimbo wants to get branded... LOL. There’s a ton of freaks out there.

    (Not from you, but there’s also an amusing ‘beta male’ fascination about Raniere himself—“What’s his secret, man? All those actresses! How can I get my own harem??? What makes hot women tick? Steve, share your insights on this dude!”)

    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.
    Why would Steve Sailer look into the NXIVM cult?
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/sex-cult-heiress-clare-bronfman-paid-staggering-135m-for-bail/news-story/6b182af6aaa8e5b08fd5c1c85dfc0e34

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Crazy right?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.
     
    Like I wrote earlier, “To me, none of that is surprising.”

    For example: Tom Cruise, John Travolta and other well-known celebrities are/were in the Scientology cult, which has been in similar legal trouble over the years, yet has managed to stay in business.

    Unless you think Steve is holding back some double secret inside dope on hidden NXIVM players, I’m not sure what kind of analysis you expect him to provide… Rich globalists are committing crimes? Everything even tangentially connected with the Clintons is corrupt? No shit.

    Excepting the allegations of rape against Raniere of underage victims and others (of which I was unaware upthread), a lot of the alleged crimes committed by him are almost comical—it’s a lot of bored privileged dipshit adults voluntarily submitting themselves for abuse.

    From The Sun:

    … imprisoning a woman for 18 months because she developed feelings for someone else - and forcing one follower to run into a tree and drink from a puddle.

    Raniere is also alleged to have forced women attending one of his classes to wear fake cow udders over their breasts while people called them "derogatory names", put women in cages as punishments and spent thousands of dollars on a dead lover's credit card to fund a luxury lifestyle.

    In a federal complaint against the 57-year-old, the US government accuses Raniere of of running a secret society called "DOS" or "The Vow" in which women were recruited as slaves and slave masters, branded with his initials on their pubic areas and forced to hand over highly damaging information abut themselves including naked pictures and rights to their assets.

    According to the complaint, the alleged "slaves" were ordered to stop waxing or shaving their public hair - because Raniere supposedly prefers women with lots of public hair … [etc. etc.]
     
    LOL. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    Rather than Sailer, Nancy Grace (or maybe Roissy) would be a better analyst for this kind of trashy also-ran ‘celebrity’ criminal drama.

    (Now if it's later revealed that, say, Hillary Clinton herself rode up from Chappaqua to Albany and personally branded screaming innocents while cackling madly, sheeeeeiitt that’s gonna be of interest. So far I haven’t heard anything to that effect. :) )
  270. @Rosie

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”
     
    Please pray explain what evidence you have that women prefer to share the "Big man."

    How many times do I have to kill this lie before it stays dead? Have you no shame?

    You haven’t been around much, Rosie, right?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    I've been following the dissident Right since before Roger Devlin published the accursed tome SUIP. I've still seen no evidence whatsoever for this theory of female Hypergamy. I like you. Why don't you try and explain it to me?
  271. @BB753
    You haven't been around much, Rosie, right?

    I’ve been following the dissident Right since before Roger Devlin published the accursed tome SUIP. I’ve still seen no evidence whatsoever for this theory of female Hypergamy. I like you. Why don’t you try and explain it to me?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It's simple.
    Then go to Dalrock's blog, if it's still there.
  272. @Anonymous
    Really it seems that the evidence is overwhelming that women would prefer a superior man father their child to having an inferior one to themselves.

    You say the evidence is “overwhelming,” so cite some.

  273. @Anonymous
    Because the Big Man's having achieved Big Man status over betas suggests he possesses more adaptive genetic traits.

    “Adaptivity” is not in itself a positive thing in a dysgenic context. If you think positive, civilization-building traits are rewarded with sexual success today or in the state of nature (especially the former), you’re delusional.

  274. Dan Harmon and Justin Roilandt, creators of Rick and Morty, are in a world of trouble. If they’re not pedos, they need to see a therapist. Just watch:

  275. @Rosie
    I've been following the dissident Right since before Roger Devlin published the accursed tome SUIP. I've still seen no evidence whatsoever for this theory of female Hypergamy. I like you. Why don't you try and explain it to me?

    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It’s simple.
    Then go to Dalrock’s blog, if it’s still there.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It’s simple.
    Then go to Dalrock’s blog, if it’s still there.
     
    I don't dispute that women marry up, if they can. What I dispute is that women are responsible for young people not getting married. As I have explained some dozens of times now, men are pickier than women, they just focus almost exclusively on looks.

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/
  276. @Jack Hanson
    I brought up NXIUM in the context of showing a real world example of the kind of secret sex cult Steve is insisting totally can't exist.

    As far as what theyre getting perp walked for, there seems to be a lot of financial crimes interspersed with kidnapping, battery, and other such.

    Right, but NXIVM wasn’t even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.
    For instance, the Manson Family did both things.
    Charles Manson was a career criminal with an incredible charisma who got himself a great criminal gang, complete with mind-slaves. He ran drugs, made porn and snuff films, did hits on people. He was also connected to the LA mafia. His cult followers, his family, did most of the work for him: the Manson chicks were not only attractive young women who could be used to lure victims, for prostitution, to shoot porn, they were also cold-blooded criminals. Useful because the LaBianca and Tate murders were first and foremost hit-jobs: Leno LaBianca was a rival drug trafficker and so was Frykowski, who was murdered in Polanski’s house. So, Manson’s Family was some sort of hippie/satanic mafia. It was about the money, and revenge too. Clouded in a drug-induced cultic mist.

    As for NXIVM, my take is that Rainiere (a Brooklyn Italian con-man) or the Bronfman sisters (grand-daughters of a gangster bootlegger) got too ambitious, or rubbed the wrong people off. Who knows?
    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn’t interested.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Right, but NXIVM wasn’t even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.
     
    You act like this kind of thing is some new invention. Steve grew up in California, of course he’s familiar with news of weirdo/criminal/deadly cults.

    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn’t interested.
     
    Trial of the century? Hahaha. It doesn’t even have any big names. Ask around proverbial Peoria about the names Raniere, Mack, Bronfman, etc. and you’re going to get some quizzical looks. “Who?”

    As cults go, NXIVM is kind of boring. But who knows, maybe the trials will reveal some interesting players. I’m counting on you to keep us informed, BB.
  277. @BB753
    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.
    Why would Steve Sailer look into the NXIVM cult?
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/sex-cult-heiress-clare-bronfman-paid-staggering-135m-for-bail/news-story/6b182af6aaa8e5b08fd5c1c85dfc0e34

    Crazy right?

  278. @Alec Leamas

    Except that people in Hollywood have been making jokes about having to have sex to get a part in a movie for a long time. By your logic, it couldn’t have possibly been true.
     
    I was going to make this point. The casting couch was joked about for decades until it was revealed to have been true - a standard business practice in Hollywood. No one would be surprised if drugs are trafficked in Hollywood and the LAPD looks the other way. Power and money is corrupting, as is the ability to flout the law with impunity. Actors and people who surround actors tend to be some of the most broken, weirdest people on Earth. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they have appetites that include under-aged objects of desire and that it's the sort of thing that's an open secret with a veil of plausible deniability - everybody knows, no one not criminally implicated has "proof," but stories abound. None of this requires a formal "ring" with secret code words and a membership card. It could be handled like other illicit activities - I know a guy who knows a guy, and if there's a chance of getting caught fixers are deployed armed with cash and threats. Gunn's tweets may be evidence of nothing but bad taste and immaturity but it shouldn't be used as evidence of the absence of the abuse of children.

    Don Henley is Exhibit A. Caught with two drugged underage girls. I think the girls were charged with more serious offenses than he was. Anyone notice any effect on his career?
    He still has the temerity to lecture us on how good men should behave. I wouldn’t p**s on him if he were burning to death.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Henley has talent. What talent do you have, besides pissing on people?
  279. Please, can we keep this conversation out of the gutter.

    You have no idea what you’re even talking about. Feminists are actually much more relaxed about teen sexuality than conservatives are, and we’re not putting our foot down to “hedge off competition.” We’ve already got ours. If our men aren’t going to dump us for twenty-year-olds, they’re not going to dump us for fifteen-year-olds either, should they ever be permitted to do so.

    Calling it now: “Rosie” is a NAWALT-themed sockpuppet for whomever is also running the “Tiny Duck” persona.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Calling it now: “Rosie” is a NAWALT-themed sockpuppet for whomever is also running the “Tiny Duck” persona.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3YnQdBD2y64
    , @L Woods
    I called it first dammit.
  280. “You say the evidence is “overwhelming,” so cite some.”

    There’s really no need. It’s common sense. How many females marry men who are shorter than them? Less educated than them? Significantly poorer than them? Significantly younger than them? …

    • Replies: @Rosie

    There’s really no need. It’s common sense.
     
    Lol.

    How many females marry men who are shorter than them? Less educated than them? Significantly poorer than them? Significantly younger than them? …
     
    They usually don't. How do you get from that to the idea that women prefer polygamy? You either made several logical leaps there, or you just didn't explain your reasoning very well.
  281. @BB753
    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It's simple.
    Then go to Dalrock's blog, if it's still there.

    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It’s simple.
    Then go to Dalrock’s blog, if it’s still there.

    I don’t dispute that women marry up, if they can. What I dispute is that women are responsible for young people not getting married. As I have explained some dozens of times now, men are pickier than women, they just focus almost exclusively on looks.

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Actually @BB753, the initial claim was not even merely that women are hypergamous, but that we are so hypergamous that we would prefer to share "Big Man" rather than have one to ourselves.

    Evidence: none.
  282. @Anon
    "You say the evidence is “overwhelming,” so cite some."

    There's really no need. It's common sense. How many females marry men who are shorter than them? Less educated than them? Significantly poorer than them? Significantly younger than them? ...

    There’s really no need. It’s common sense.

    Lol.

    How many females marry men who are shorter than them? Less educated than them? Significantly poorer than them? Significantly younger than them? …

    They usually don’t. How do you get from that to the idea that women prefer polygamy? You either made several logical leaps there, or you just didn’t explain your reasoning very well.

  283. @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    Please, can we keep this conversation out of the gutter.

    You have no idea what you’re even talking about. Feminists are actually much more relaxed about teen sexuality than conservatives are, and we’re not putting our foot down to “hedge off competition.” We’ve already got ours. If our men aren’t going to dump us for twenty-year-olds, they’re not going to dump us for fifteen-year-olds either, should they ever be permitted to do so.
     
    Calling it now: "Rosie" is a NAWALT-themed sockpuppet for whomever is also running the "Tiny Duck" persona.

    Calling it now: “Rosie” is a NAWALT-themed sockpuppet for whomever is also running the “Tiny Duck” persona.

  284. @Rosie

    Sorry, the feeling is not mutual. Listen, read up on hypergamy in any anthropology textbook. Women marry up, men marry down. It’s simple.
    Then go to Dalrock’s blog, if it’s still there.
     
    I don't dispute that women marry up, if they can. What I dispute is that women are responsible for young people not getting married. As I have explained some dozens of times now, men are pickier than women, they just focus almost exclusively on looks.

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

    Actually , the initial claim was not even merely that women are hypergamous, but that we are so hypergamous that we would prefer to share “Big Man” rather than have one to ourselves.

    Evidence: none.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The claim is you would rather share a Big Man, than have a loser man (not just any man) to yourselves.

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery, relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children, and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.
  285. @Anon
    I get the train of thought, which is that rich men (and, therefore, better men) will have more children. But for a number of reasons it does not really work out in the real world.

    Good point bringing up Africa.

    Where would Africa be without it?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Where is Africa with it?

    You have perhaps some evidence that Muslim tribes in Abyssinia are stronger or smarter or something than Christian tribes?
  286. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    Actually @BB753, the initial claim was not even merely that women are hypergamous, but that we are so hypergamous that we would prefer to share "Big Man" rather than have one to ourselves.

    Evidence: none.

    The claim is you would rather share a Big Man, than have a loser man (not just any man) to yourselves.

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery, relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children, and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.

    • Replies: @Anon

    societal laws against ... adultery
     
    Doesn't this also prove that men would like to share the same woman? Do historical laws against sodomy prove we're all secretly gay?

    I, for one, am not unsympathetic to any actual case you might have, but you should really work on presenting it.
    , @Rosie

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery,
     
    If there was some grassroots push among women to get rid of these laws, you'd have something, but there isn't, so you don't.

    relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children
     
    What makes you think the cause of this is anything other than single men refusing to marry girls they knock up, as was the expectation and norm in decades past?

    In any event,

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/cuckoldry-is-incredibly-rare-among-humans/

    and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.
     
    Who think he's going to leave his wife any day now, and often move on when they figure out that's not going to happen. There aren't very many wealthy and powerful men, and there aren't very many women who would rather share a more desirable man than have a less desirable one all to themselves, though I suppose there are probably enough to satisfy the demand of the few wealthy and powerful men who want a mistress, at least for a little while.

    Having an affair with someone else's spouse is highly deviant, antisocial behavior that really should probably be considered a crime, and it may well be a deviant behavior that is much more common among women than men. Yet it is still absurd to claim that "Women prefer to share." That makes no more sense than saying "Men would rather turn to crime than earn an honest living. My evidence: why, they're 93% of the prison population!"
  287. @BB753
    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.
    Why would Steve Sailer look into the NXIVM cult?
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/sex-cult-heiress-clare-bronfman-paid-staggering-135m-for-bail/news-story/6b182af6aaa8e5b08fd5c1c85dfc0e34

    Yeah, just weird people like Seagram heiress Clare Bronfman and Nancy Salzman both members of the Clinton Global Initiative. Those two are indicted and were arrested for human trafficking, among other crimes. Just the banal usual stuff nobodies in cults do.

    Like I wrote earlier, “To me, none of that is surprising.”

    For example: Tom Cruise, John Travolta and other well-known celebrities are/were in the Scientology cult, which has been in similar legal trouble over the years, yet has managed to stay in business.

    Unless you think Steve is holding back some double secret inside dope on hidden NXIVM players, I’m not sure what kind of analysis you expect him to provide… Rich globalists are committing crimes? Everything even tangentially connected with the Clintons is corrupt? No shit.

    Excepting the allegations of rape against Raniere of underage victims and others (of which I was unaware upthread), a lot of the alleged crimes committed by him are almost comical—it’s a lot of bored privileged dipshit adults voluntarily submitting themselves for abuse.

    From The Sun:

    … imprisoning a woman for 18 months because she developed feelings for someone else – and forcing one follower to run into a tree and drink from a puddle.

    Raniere is also alleged to have forced women attending one of his classes to wear fake cow udders over their breasts while people called them “derogatory names”, put women in cages as punishments and spent thousands of dollars on a dead lover’s credit card to fund a luxury lifestyle.

    In a federal complaint against the 57-year-old, the US government accuses Raniere of of running a secret society called “DOS” or “The Vow” in which women were recruited as slaves and slave masters, branded with his initials on their pubic areas and forced to hand over highly damaging information abut themselves including naked pictures and rights to their assets.

    According to the complaint, the alleged “slaves” were ordered to stop waxing or shaving their public hair – because Raniere supposedly prefers women with lots of public hair … [etc. etc.]

    LOL. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

    Rather than Sailer, Nancy Grace (or maybe Roissy) would be a better analyst for this kind of trashy also-ran ‘celebrity’ criminal drama.

    (Now if it’s later revealed that, say, Hillary Clinton herself rode up from Chappaqua to Albany and personally branded screaming innocents while cackling madly, sheeeeeiitt that’s gonna be of interest. So far I haven’t heard anything to that effect. 🙂 )

    • LOL: Autochthon
  288. @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    Please, can we keep this conversation out of the gutter.

    You have no idea what you’re even talking about. Feminists are actually much more relaxed about teen sexuality than conservatives are, and we’re not putting our foot down to “hedge off competition.” We’ve already got ours. If our men aren’t going to dump us for twenty-year-olds, they’re not going to dump us for fifteen-year-olds either, should they ever be permitted to do so.
     
    Calling it now: "Rosie" is a NAWALT-themed sockpuppet for whomever is also running the "Tiny Duck" persona.

    I called it first dammit.

  289. @BB753
    Right, but NXIVM wasn't even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.
    For instance, the Manson Family did both things.
    Charles Manson was a career criminal with an incredible charisma who got himself a great criminal gang, complete with mind-slaves. He ran drugs, made porn and snuff films, did hits on people. He was also connected to the LA mafia. His cult followers, his family, did most of the work for him: the Manson chicks were not only attractive young women who could be used to lure victims, for prostitution, to shoot porn, they were also cold-blooded criminals. Useful because the LaBianca and Tate murders were first and foremost hit-jobs: Leno LaBianca was a rival drug trafficker and so was Frykowski, who was murdered in Polanski's house. So, Manson's Family was some sort of hippie/satanic mafia. It was about the money, and revenge too. Clouded in a drug-induced cultic mist.

    As for NXIVM, my take is that Rainiere (a Brooklyn Italian con-man) or the Bronfman sisters (grand-daughters of a gangster bootlegger) got too ambitious, or rubbed the wrong people off. Who knows?
    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn't interested.

    Right, but NXIVM wasn’t even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.

    You act like this kind of thing is some new invention. Steve grew up in California, of course he’s familiar with news of weirdo/criminal/deadly cults.

    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn’t interested.

    Trial of the century? Hahaha. It doesn’t even have any big names. Ask around proverbial Peoria about the names Raniere, Mack, Bronfman, etc. and you’re going to get some quizzical looks. “Who?”

    As cults go, NXIVM is kind of boring. But who knows, maybe the trials will reveal some interesting players. I’m counting on you to keep us informed, BB.

    • Replies: @BB753
    The big names will emerge sooner or later. Rainiere and the Brofman sisters were well-connected.
  290. @Anonymous
    Interesting commentary. Thanks. Those rules seem intended to apply to situations where the client has put the attorney's conduct at issue. I wonder if they contemplated disputes with third parties. There is reason to think they didn't if the justification for abrogating the attorney-client privilege is that the client in some sense had a choice in the matter. A kind of implied waiver. That doesn't seem to be the case here.

    No, no; the lawyer may also break the confidence when accused of tortious or criminal acts by third parties in situations whereby the breached confidence is necessary to exculpate the lawyer. Meyerhoffer v. Empire Marine & Fire Ins. Co., 497 F.2d 1190 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 419 U.S. 998 (1974); and In Re Friend, 411 F.Supp. 776 (S.D.N.Y. 1975) are the leading cases establishing that inclusion of defense against allegations by third parties (including prosecutors!), not just those by clients or former clients.

    Here is a nice overview of the so-called “self-defense exception”:

    In Meyerhoffer … the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that the American Bar Association’s ethical rules permitted an attorney to defend himself against the accusations of a third party by revealing confidential client communications…. Significantly, not only did the attorney in Meyerhoffer disclose communications which the client legitimately believed would be protected, but it appears that the plaintiff was able to make use of the attorney’s disclosures to bolster the plaintiffs case against the attorney’s former client.

    Meyerhoffer and Friend hold that when the attorney is charged with misconduct or illegal behavior by a third party, such as any civil or criminal action brought against an attorney by a party other than the current or former client or by a current or former client not implicated in the instant action, the attorney may invoke the self defense exception and disclose otherwise privileged and confidential information, even if that disclosure is to the detriment of the (former) client. Indeed, Friend implies that disclosure of confidential communication may be permitted in order for the attorney to defend herself prospectively against criminal charges.

    In Friend, Attorney Solomon Friend and his client were targets of a federal grand jury investigation. Friend applied for leave to turn over documents concerning his client which, he asserted, would establish his innocence. Significantly, the grand jury had not yet handed up an indictment when this offer was made. Notwithstanding that formal charges had not been filed, the court, citing Meyerhoffer, held that DR 4-101 entitled Friend to disclose the documents. The court noted “although as yet, no formal accusation has been made against Mr. Friend, it will be senseless to require the stigma of an indictment to attach prior to allowing Mr. Friend to invoke the exception…in his own defense.”

  291. @Anon
    Where would Africa be without it?

    Where is Africa with it?

    You have perhaps some evidence that Muslim tribes in Abyssinia are stronger or smarter or something than Christian tribes?

  292. @Anon
    The claim is you would rather share a Big Man, than have a loser man (not just any man) to yourselves.

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery, relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children, and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.

    societal laws against … adultery

    Doesn’t this also prove that men would like to share the same woman? Do historical laws against sodomy prove we’re all secretly gay?

    I, for one, am not unsympathetic to any actual case you might have, but you should really work on presenting it.

  293. @Anon
    The claim is you would rather share a Big Man, than have a loser man (not just any man) to yourselves.

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery, relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children, and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.

    The evidence consists of, among other things, societal laws against polygamy and adultery,

    If there was some grassroots push among women to get rid of these laws, you’d have something, but there isn’t, so you don’t.

    relatively high rates of non-husband parentage in children

    What makes you think the cause of this is anything other than single men refusing to marry girls they knock up, as was the expectation and norm in decades past?

    In any event,

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/cuckoldry-is-incredibly-rare-among-humans/

    and the common situation of wealthy or powerful men having mistresses.

    Who think he’s going to leave his wife any day now, and often move on when they figure out that’s not going to happen. There aren’t very many wealthy and powerful men, and there aren’t very many women who would rather share a more desirable man than have a less desirable one all to themselves, though I suppose there are probably enough to satisfy the demand of the few wealthy and powerful men who want a mistress, at least for a little while.

    Having an affair with someone else’s spouse is highly deviant, antisocial behavior that really should probably be considered a crime, and it may well be a deviant behavior that is much more common among women than men. Yet it is still absurd to claim that “Women prefer to share.” That makes no more sense than saying “Men would rather turn to crime than earn an honest living. My evidence: why, they’re 93% of the prison population!”

  294. @ben tillman

    If it was Cohen (unlikely), do any lawyers here know if there is a legal repercussion for him still holding material siezed by the prosecutor?
     
    If it's been seized, he doesn't have it.

    I’m guessing the witch hunt process works by the prosecutor getting a court order that states you have to give up all your privileged communications to the cops so they can pore over it in the hope of finding some kind of crime.
     
    It is illegal for a court to issue, or for a lawyer to obey, such an order.

    “It is illegal for a court to issue, or for a lawyer to obey, such an order.”

    Isnt this the entire basis of the Mueller probe?

  295. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Right, but NXIVM wasn’t even a secret association! I believe Steve Sailer cannot wrap his head around the idea that cults have two sides: the esoteric or occult principles, practices and rituals which most members believe in, and the exoteric, or criminal side: financial schemes, money-laundering, human and sex trafficking, drug running, etc.
     
    You act like this kind of thing is some new invention. Steve grew up in California, of course he’s familiar with news of weirdo/criminal/deadly cults.

    The NXIVM case could well be the trial of the century, but Steve Sailer still isn’t interested.
     
    Trial of the century? Hahaha. It doesn’t even have any big names. Ask around proverbial Peoria about the names Raniere, Mack, Bronfman, etc. and you’re going to get some quizzical looks. “Who?”

    As cults go, NXIVM is kind of boring. But who knows, maybe the trials will reveal some interesting players. I’m counting on you to keep us informed, BB.

    The big names will emerge sooner or later. Rainiere and the Brofman sisters were well-connected.

  296. I think the current hysteria and hand wringing about child abuse is overblown. I think part of the charm of the Charlie Brown movies is that they used actual children as the voice actors.

    Gunn was once married to Jenna Fischer (Pam from The Office). She dumped him when she got too famous for him, but it seems like he ended up with the better career.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Do you know how many children disappear each year in the USA? Check it out and educate yourself. Then tell me children aren't being abducted, trafficked and abused in great numbers, tell me that it's all overblown.

    And read this (the sources are legit and are documented facts) :
    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5sietz/the_delta_project_the_foundations_of_modern_child/
  297. @TheBoom

    Because of course the way the top-secret, organized cabal of pedophiles in Hollywood keeps itself top-secret is by tweeting gross pedo jokes
     
    Steve another way of looking at this is why would so many celebrities feel free to make child rape and molestation jokes? (Gunn is just one example.)

    The only answer I can come up with is that pedophilia is common in Hollywood and practiced by the elite there. In any other industry, a high profile exec tweeting about how he or she likes to bang infants would likely be career suicide and I can't imagine pedophiles in those other fields doing it.

    Plus, what kind of person thinks molesting and raping children is funny? I have known a good number of people who used humor to show they were edgy and I used to work in the minor leagues of the entertainment industry. Yet, I have never personally encountered someone who joked about those depravities. My hunch is that only pedophiles make those jokes.

    FWIW Jim Norton jokes about it.

  298. @Steve Sailer
    How about sports coaches?

    I could imagine a big push to drive men out of jobs as coaches of girls to fight pedophilia, or only allow gay men those jobs.

    The irony of Title IX is that before it existed, a man would never have coached girls sports.

    People seem to have no problems with obvious lesbians coaching girls. I guess it’s because no one can get pregnant.

  299. @Rosie

    LMAO. Please pray explain how the Big Man reproducing prodigiously at the expense of betas is “eugenic.”
     
    Please pray explain what evidence you have that women prefer to share the "Big man."

    How many times do I have to kill this lie before it stays dead? Have you no shame?

    Well no one believes you…

    • Replies: @Anon
    Why are you responding in the plural? Are you the Borg collective in real life?
  300. @JMcG
    Don Henley is Exhibit A. Caught with two drugged underage girls. I think the girls were charged with more serious offenses than he was. Anyone notice any effect on his career?
    He still has the temerity to lecture us on how good men should behave. I wouldn’t p**s on him if he were burning to death.

    Henley has talent. What talent do you have, besides pissing on people?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    A talent for not drugging and raping 14 and 15 year old girls.
  301. @ScarletNumber
    Henley has talent. What talent do you have, besides pissing on people?

    A talent for not drugging and raping 14 and 15 year old girls.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    No one's impressed.
  302. @JMcG
    A talent for not drugging and raping 14 and 15 year old girls.

    No one’s impressed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I'm more impressed with a productive citizen than with a "creative" rapist jerk.
  303. The Guardians of the Galaxy cast are trying to get James Gunn reinstated as director:

  304. @ScarletNumber
    I think the current hysteria and hand wringing about child abuse is overblown. I think part of the charm of the Charlie Brown movies is that they used actual children as the voice actors.

    Gunn was once married to Jenna Fischer (Pam from The Office). She dumped him when she got too famous for him, but it seems like he ended up with the better career.

    Do you know how many children disappear each year in the USA? Check it out and educate yourself. Then tell me children aren’t being abducted, trafficked and abused in great numbers, tell me that it’s all overblown.

    And read this (the sources are legit and are documented facts) :

    The Delta Project – The foundations of modern child sex trafficking from conspiracy

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Yawn. Go to Vox Popoli and join the echo chamber.
  305. @ScarletNumber
    No one's impressed.

    I’m more impressed with a productive citizen than with a “creative” rapist jerk.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Do you want a cookie? How about a pat on the head? Also, no one said Gunn was a rapist.
  306. @BB753
    Do you know how many children disappear each year in the USA? Check it out and educate yourself. Then tell me children aren't being abducted, trafficked and abused in great numbers, tell me that it's all overblown.

    And read this (the sources are legit and are documented facts) :
    https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5sietz/the_delta_project_the_foundations_of_modern_child/

    Yawn. Go to Vox Popoli and join the echo chamber.

    • Troll: BB753
  307. @Anon
    I'm more impressed with a productive citizen than with a "creative" rapist jerk.

    Do you want a cookie? How about a pat on the head? Also, no one said Gunn was a rapist.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Do you want people on the internet to bow down to your great toughness? Also, why are you changing the subject?
  308. @ScarletNumber
    Do you want a cookie? How about a pat on the head? Also, no one said Gunn was a rapist.

    Do you want people on the internet to bow down to your great toughness? Also, why are you changing the subject?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @JMcG was the one who brought up Don Henley. I responded.
  309. @ScarletNumber
    Well no one believes you...

    Why are you responding in the plural? Are you the Borg collective in real life?

  310. @Almost Missouri

    "Watching Unz’s decline has been sad"
     
    What are you talking about? Seriously.

    Pay no attention to him. He’s just putting in his mandated quota of JIDF trolling.

  311. @Anon
    Do you want people on the internet to bow down to your great toughness? Also, why are you changing the subject?

    was the one who brought up Don Henley. I responded.

  312. Photos Surface of ‘Guardians’ Director James Gunn at Pedophilia-Themed Party
    by JOHN NOLTE 11 Aug 2018

    The Daily Caller’s Ian Miles Cheong appears to have been the first to find and publish the photos, seen below.

    According to the screenshots of the pedophilia-themed party, which appear to come from Gunn’s personal blog, the theme of the party was “To Catch a Predator,” which is the title of a popular NBC investigative series that ran from 2004-2008. Using hidden cameras, the show would catch alleged sexual predators who had arranged to have sex with children as young as 12.

    One of the photos (Gateway Pundit has more) shows Gunn dressed as a Catholic priest posing with two young women dressed to look like children. One is in pigtails and pouting, another looks like she is about to cry as she holds a juice box and a doll. Father Gunn, who appears to be wearing eye makeup, looms over them.

    The second photo features Gunn, again dressed as a priest, next to a pigtailed young women sucking her thumb. Kneeling on the floor in front of Gunn is a man made up to look like a clown. He has his hands around the throat of the second young woman wearing what looks like a babydoll dress. The photo also features a large rabbit and a man (in pigtails?) yanking at his pants.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Disney Reaffirms James Gunn Firing — Media Coverup Fails
    by JOHN NOLTE 16 Aug 2018

    Despite the best efforts of the far-left entertainment media to cover up the worst parts of Gunn’s behavior, it is was announced Wednesday that Disney is standing firm in its decision.
     
    , @MEH 0910
    From the web archive of James Gunn's blog: My 2012 in Photos - Gunn also went to a Goth Rock party, a 1920's party, and a 1980's party.
  313. @MEH 0910
    Photos Surface of ‘Guardians’ Director James Gunn at Pedophilia-Themed Party
    by JOHN NOLTE 11 Aug 2018

    The Daily Caller’s Ian Miles Cheong appears to have been the first to find and publish the photos, seen below.
     
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1028130823080267777

    According to the screenshots of the pedophilia-themed party, which appear to come from Gunn’s personal blog, the theme of the party was “To Catch a Predator,” which is the title of a popular NBC investigative series that ran from 2004-2008. Using hidden cameras, the show would catch alleged sexual predators who had arranged to have sex with children as young as 12.

    One of the photos (Gateway Pundit has more) shows Gunn dressed as a Catholic priest posing with two young women dressed to look like children. One is in pigtails and pouting, another looks like she is about to cry as she holds a juice box and a doll. Father Gunn, who appears to be wearing eye makeup, looms over them.
     
    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/gunn-2-642x1024.jpg

    The second photo features Gunn, again dressed as a priest, next to a pigtailed young women sucking her thumb. Kneeling on the floor in front of Gunn is a man made up to look like a clown. He has his hands around the throat of the second young woman wearing what looks like a babydoll dress. The photo also features a large rabbit and a man (in pigtails?) yanking at his pants.

     

    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/gunn-1.jpg

    Disney Reaffirms James Gunn Firing — Media Coverup Fails
    by JOHN NOLTE 16 Aug 2018

    Despite the best efforts of the far-left entertainment media to cover up the worst parts of Gunn’s behavior, it is was announced Wednesday that Disney is standing firm in its decision.

  314. @MEH 0910
    Photos Surface of ‘Guardians’ Director James Gunn at Pedophilia-Themed Party
    by JOHN NOLTE 11 Aug 2018

    The Daily Caller’s Ian Miles Cheong appears to have been the first to find and publish the photos, seen below.
     
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1028130823080267777

    According to the screenshots of the pedophilia-themed party, which appear to come from Gunn’s personal blog, the theme of the party was “To Catch a Predator,” which is the title of a popular NBC investigative series that ran from 2004-2008. Using hidden cameras, the show would catch alleged sexual predators who had arranged to have sex with children as young as 12.

    One of the photos (Gateway Pundit has more) shows Gunn dressed as a Catholic priest posing with two young women dressed to look like children. One is in pigtails and pouting, another looks like she is about to cry as she holds a juice box and a doll. Father Gunn, who appears to be wearing eye makeup, looms over them.
     
    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/gunn-2-642x1024.jpg

    The second photo features Gunn, again dressed as a priest, next to a pigtailed young women sucking her thumb. Kneeling on the floor in front of Gunn is a man made up to look like a clown. He has his hands around the throat of the second young woman wearing what looks like a babydoll dress. The photo also features a large rabbit and a man (in pigtails?) yanking at his pants.

     

    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/08/gunn-1.jpg

    From the web archive of James Gunn’s blog: My 2012 in Photos – Gunn also went to a Goth Rock party, a 1920’s party, and a 1980’s party.

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