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From the class action lawsuit filed today by James Damore, who was fired by Google last year after Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki, former sister-in-law of Sergey Brin and sister of 23andMe founder Anne Wojcicki, spoke power to truth:

3.Throughout the Class Periods, and in violation of California law, Google employees who expressed views deviating from the majority view at Google on political subjects raised in the workplace and relevant to Google’s employment policies and its business, such as “diversity”hiring policies,“bias sensitivity,” or “social justice,”were/are singled out, mistreated, and systematically punished and terminated from Google, in violation of their legal rights.

4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google.

5.Damore, Gudeman, and other class members were ostracized, belittled, and punished for their heterodox political views, and for the added sin of their birth circumstances of being Caucasians and/or males. This is the essence of discrimination—Google formed opinions about and then treated Plaintiffs not based on their individual merits, but rather on their membership in groups with assumed characteristics.

6.Google employees and managers strongly preferred to hear the same orthodox opinions regurgitated repeatedly, producing an ideological echo chamber, a protected, distorted bubble of groupthink.When Plaintiffs challenged Google’s illegal employment practices, they were openly threatened and subjected to harassment and retaliation from Google. Google created an environment of protecting employees who harassed individuals who spoke out against Google’s view or the “Googley way,”as it is sometimes known internally.Google employees knew they could harass Plaintiffs with impunity, given the tone set by managers and they did so.

7.Google employs illegal hiring quotas to fill its desired percentages of women and favored minority candidates, and openly shames managers of business units who fail to meet their quotas—in the process, openly denigrating male and Caucasian employees as less favored than others.

8.Not only was the numerical presence of women celebrated at Google solely due to their gender, but the presence of Caucasians and males was mocked with “boos”during company-wide weekly meetings. This unacceptable behavior occurred at the hands of high-level managers at Google who were responsible for hundreds, if not thousands,of hiring and firing decisions during the Class Periods.

Sounds like a Hostile Work Environment, right?

Obviously, Google isn’t actually going to stop hiring Asian and white male engineers and replace them with black and Hispanic women. Management has the world’s second highest market capitalization to protect. But Google executives like Susan Wojcicki don’t like being blamed for doing what they do to maximize stockholder wealth when instead they can demonize junior white and Asian male employees like James Damore as The Real Problem with why Google’s hiring doesn’t reflect The Narrative.

Keep in mind that Susan Wojcicki had Damore fired for defending Google’s actual hiring behavior.

By the way, Maureen Dowd followed up my column on the interesting paradoxes posed by the Wojcicki Sisters with a lengthy interview with Anne Wojcicki of 23andMe that skipped all the controversial stuff, but is still full of human interest, like why she and fellow biochemical pioneer, retired baseball slugger Alex Rodriguez, are no longer an item.

 
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  1. It seems like the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past. Here is hoping the case has some teeth to it.

    • Replies: @guest
    @epochehusserl

    "the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past"

    Yes, plaintiffs forgot to control ideological indoctrination at law schools, as well as our general culture's opinion of discrimination against Stale, Pale Males. Or anyone who's not a NAM, as the case may be.

    In Bollinger, Day O'Connor pulled a compelling interest for colleges to promote diversity out of her butt. Moreover, the idea was that "underrepresented" minority status may be one of many factors, so long as it's not the deciding factor. Except the case was deliberately chosen because in that instance such status made the difference between admission and "Sorry, pal, come back when you're an underrepresented minority."

    How does one orchestrate against that? (Targeted assassination being illegal.)

    Replies: @rogue-one, @epochehusserl

  2. Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Thomm

    Isn't she the one who mocked Howard Dean on Twitter last year over the hate speech thing?

    , @Half Canadian
    @Thomm

    I don't think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.

    Replies: @Thomm

    , @utu
    @Thomm

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can't complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos. Keep it up. Unfortunately selfish and narrow-minded ethnocentrism works in high trust, high fairness altruistic western society to its own detriment.

    Replies: @Moses, @Negrolphin Pool, @Thomm

    , @Alden
    @Thomm

    California it’s 50 percent to the attorney.
    It would be contingency, not pro bono.

    I keep track of the affirmative action law suits. Whites usually lose. Plus California law allows employers to fire employees at any time for no reason.

    Damore has to prove his allegations.

    Replies: @Marty

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomm

    She might need to up her game a bit.

    https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/950468421681999872

    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.

    Replies: @rogue-one, @PiltdownMan

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomm


    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).
     
    Well, that explains the clumsy English and poor punctuation--among other things.

    Seriously, can't Google engineers--and their lawyers--afford proofreaders at least?

    I can remember a time when attorneys were reasonably careful about language.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Thomm

    Google has EXTENSIVE information about the private lives and circumstances of every single person in the developed world.

    Even if you don't yourself offer up information to Google through Google searches, Gmail, Android etc., people around you do, including very useful information ABOUT YOU.

    Will Damore's lawyers really risk going up against the all-knowing, all-vicious, CIA-backed Google-monster?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  3. ‘Class action lawsuit’ … USA lawyers have a saying about these things, ‘Bribed American judges, motherf-cker!’

    Google in court … is like that scene early in ‘Goodfellas’ where the mafia kid’s lawyer smiles his grin for the judge on the bench in front of him

    Google is the best friend the US bribe-taking judges have in the world

    If you know businesspeople or others, who have had the full ‘experience’ of the US court system, you learn that the US courts are nothing like portrayed in Hollywood movies or TV shows … It is foolish to think that the rest of the government is corruptible but the judges are not in the game … a game well-hidden by media and, well, by Google

    No company is more key to the US judge-lawyer bribery complex than Google … the Google lawyers inviting and welcoming ‘orders to Google’ to hide the actions of their law firm friends

    Including the ‘Google hyper-injunction’, whereby Google itself, and the parties to the case, are all under gag order to not disclose that there is an order banning search results from Google

    Class action cases in general, go nowhere unless the Powers That Be see some interest in them going forward … tho often indeed they run up many hundreds of thousands in legal bills – generously shared with the judges – before the lawyers say, ‘Case dismissed, motherf-cker!’

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brabantian

    QUOTE: "Including the ‘Google hyper-injunction’, whereby Google itself, and the parties to the case, are all under gag order to not disclose that there is an order banning search results from Google." UNQUOTE
    Care to share what the underlying case is about? What are they trying to hide?

    Certainly not surprising that some red-diaper judgette (m/f) would go along with the most bizarre travesty undermining the foundations of democracy.

    , @Alden
    @Brabantian

    You are right. Class action law suits demanding that 4’10 80 pd Chinese women become firemen, or class action lawsuits demanding that illiterate blacks with criminal records become police officers always win.

    But a class action law suit demanding equal treatment for White mean will
    always be dismissed at the first motions hearing.

    Only thing I dispute in your post is that the judges are bribed. They don’t have to be bribed. They, like the rest of the elites want Whites exterminated.

    That teeny tiny Chinese female firefighter? Because she couldn’t lift and carry the hoses or dive the truck, she was rapidly promoted to a Captain with a well paid desk job.

  4. >Keep in mind that Susan Wojcicki had Damore fired for defending Google’s actual hiring behavior.

    Well, to be fair to employers, there’s really not much you can do if the overwhelming pool of hiring candidates are white and East/South Asian males to begin with. Software developers don’t just pop out of nowhere, and you can’t just force people to become-or not to become-coders against their wills. Given the volume of applications Google receives, it really puts into perspective that the gap begins far earlier.

    (On the other hand, many employers do seem to expect senior developers to appear out of the aether while completely failing to understand that their refusal to hire junior developers… leads to the lack of senior developers-they really don’t have anyone but themselves to blame on that one. Though this is less bad at the big titans than most places, thanks to internships and college connections, and being able to take a chance on a bright but theoretical young dev.)

    Here’s hoping for the best for Mr. Damore.

  5. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    Isn’t she the one who mocked Howard Dean on Twitter last year over the hate speech thing?

  6. Good for James Damore. I hope the punks at google get burned to well done like one of DJTs steaks. In an interview a few months ago he admitted to some spergyness and brought his girlfriend along.

  7. I don’t know about you guys,but this pissed me the hell off! No real surprises,except for the pervasiveness of PC,(when actually carrying OUT PC beliefs will lose the company money). Seeing a bit of the complaint in detail reminded me once again that what we need,so badly!!,is white men unitin’ and fightin’!! White men at Google should be tearing these Google [email protected] a new a-hole! Instead they sheepishly go along. Even Damore was an ass kisser til they dumped him.

  8. This should have been Trump’s second big issue after immigration. He actually explicitly cucked out on that issue really early on by stating that he supported affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Guy de Champlagne

    I remember that.

  9. Normally, judges wouldn’t feel compelled to apply California law as written if it goes against their wishes. They can come up with a rationale like the rationale for “heightened scrutiny” attaching only to cases involving “discrete and insular minorities” regarding the 14th amendment. Which SCOTUS pulled out of its rear in the Caroline Products decision. Which means Stale, Pale Males can’t count on Elastic Clause protection, sorry.

    Legerdemain deeming political discrimination against rightists a-okay has probably already been written. Judges shall use it if they’re so inclined. But this case is about lawfare, right? Discovery can be as sweet as victory.

    • Agree: Alden, NickG
  10. Has any work environment outside the trades not been nakedly and unapologetically hostile to white males for the past twenty years?

    • Replies: @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

  11. The Real Problem with why Google’s hiring doesn’t reflect The Narrative.

    I absolutely loathe Google and certainly wish to see its demise, I hope that the narrative it enforces ends up destroying it. I am assuming that Google pays off all the civil rights shakedown operations, that being the case what would be the best way to break into their ring fenced labour force and make them accept the narrative quotas?

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @neutral

    That's what I say. If they're so crazy about mud, force them to build their company with it.

  12. @epochehusserl
    It seems like the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past. Here is hoping the case has some teeth to it.

    Replies: @guest

    “the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past”

    Yes, plaintiffs forgot to control ideological indoctrination at law schools, as well as our general culture’s opinion of discrimination against Stale, Pale Males. Or anyone who’s not a NAM, as the case may be.

    In Bollinger, Day O’Connor pulled a compelling interest for colleges to promote diversity out of her butt. Moreover, the idea was that “underrepresented” minority status may be one of many factors, so long as it’s not the deciding factor. Except the case was deliberately chosen because in that instance such status made the difference between admission and “Sorry, pal, come back when you’re an underrepresented minority.”

    How does one orchestrate against that? (Targeted assassination being illegal.)

    • Replies: @rogue-one
    @guest

    Liberal law: You choose your social outcome and preferred group, then you interpret the law to suit your preferred outcome and group. And white men, the deplorable, ain't a preferred group.

    , @epochehusserl
    @guest

    abigail fisher wasnt the strongest student denied by racial quotas.

    Replies: @Yan Shen

  13. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    I don’t think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Half Canadian


    I don’t think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.
     
    Yes, contingency. That is what I meant.

    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling. A shark is the vastly lesser evil than the SJW virtue signaler.

    Replies: @Yan Shen

  14. @Half Canadian
    @Thomm

    I don't think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.

    Replies: @Thomm

    I don’t think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.

    Yes, contingency. That is what I meant.

    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling. A shark is the vastly lesser evil than the SJW virtue signaler.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    @Thomm


    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling.
     
    Really? Have you ever met a woman who wouldn't do almost anything for the right amount of money?

    Replies: @Thomm, @Bill jones, @bomag

  15. Sounds like a Hostile Work Environment, right?

    Is this different from a Hostile Woke Environment?

  16. @guest
    @epochehusserl

    "the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past"

    Yes, plaintiffs forgot to control ideological indoctrination at law schools, as well as our general culture's opinion of discrimination against Stale, Pale Males. Or anyone who's not a NAM, as the case may be.

    In Bollinger, Day O'Connor pulled a compelling interest for colleges to promote diversity out of her butt. Moreover, the idea was that "underrepresented" minority status may be one of many factors, so long as it's not the deciding factor. Except the case was deliberately chosen because in that instance such status made the difference between admission and "Sorry, pal, come back when you're an underrepresented minority."

    How does one orchestrate against that? (Targeted assassination being illegal.)

    Replies: @rogue-one, @epochehusserl

    Liberal law: You choose your social outcome and preferred group, then you interpret the law to suit your preferred outcome and group. And white men, the deplorable, ain’t a preferred group.

  17. I don’t get why the great and powerful Alphabet Corp did not give Damore an exit package. Not to succumb to stereotypes but, what a bunch of crazy Bs those girls in corporate are. Hell, they could have said, ‘You so smart White man, hand us your business plan and we will fund it’, and I bet his plan would have worked.

  18. @guest
    @epochehusserl

    "the lawsuits against racial quotas have been poorly orchestrated in the past"

    Yes, plaintiffs forgot to control ideological indoctrination at law schools, as well as our general culture's opinion of discrimination against Stale, Pale Males. Or anyone who's not a NAM, as the case may be.

    In Bollinger, Day O'Connor pulled a compelling interest for colleges to promote diversity out of her butt. Moreover, the idea was that "underrepresented" minority status may be one of many factors, so long as it's not the deciding factor. Except the case was deliberately chosen because in that instance such status made the difference between admission and "Sorry, pal, come back when you're an underrepresented minority."

    How does one orchestrate against that? (Targeted assassination being illegal.)

    Replies: @rogue-one, @epochehusserl

    abigail fisher wasnt the strongest student denied by racial quotas.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    @epochehusserl

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who've sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Moses, @The Man From K Street, @biz

  19. Isn’t there also some lawsuit filed on behalf of women alleging gender discrimination at Google the other way? So, if we’re to believe all of the plaintiffs involved, Google uh simultaneously discriminates against men and women!

    In all seriousness though, all of this diversity mumbo jumbo is ultimately much ado about nothing. Google and many other companies in Silicon Valley hire mostly white, Jewish, Indian, or Chinese American males in technical roles.

    Obviously, Google isn’t actually going to stop hiring Asian and white male engineers and replace them with black and Hispanic women.

    Come on Steve, it’s only a uh matter of time before overweight gay, Hispanic black crippled women rule the roost at Google…

  20. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can’t complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos. Keep it up. Unfortunately selfish and narrow-minded ethnocentrism works in high trust, high fairness altruistic western society to its own detriment.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @utu

    In Diversimerica we're all Jews now. Act like it.

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @utu

    Indians (dot) are the highest earning ethnic group in America.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Thomm
    @utu

    No, you fool. The defendant is Sundar Pichai, who is also Indian. The lawyer would side with Google if they retained her first (and pay her more). She has no ideology other than getting fees.

    a) I only care about opposing feminism.
    b) I am a white guy who simply hates feminism (and race-nationalism, which is a form of feminism).

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Moses, @utu

  21. @Thomm
    @Half Canadian


    I don’t think you mean pro-bono, which would mean without pay. I think you mean on contingency, which means she will get some percentage (30%?) of the final settlement/fine.
     
    Yes, contingency. That is what I meant.

    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling. A shark is the vastly lesser evil than the SJW virtue signaler.

    Replies: @Yan Shen

    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling.

    Really? Have you ever met a woman who wouldn’t do almost anything for the right amount of money?

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Yan Shen

    You misunderstood the comment. Those are two separate sentences.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Bill jones
    @Yan Shen

    Don't be needlessly stupid. It's a reference to sexual /racial factors.

    , @bomag
    @Yan Shen


    woman who wouldn’t do almost anything for... money
     
    Women (American women, anyway) are very much into volunteer organizations.
  22. “4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google.”

    [1] Why is this English so substandard? The lack of a space after the period and after the comma, the misuse of a pair of dashes, and the incorrect word separation in the last few words, might be excused as some software glitch in copying text from the .pdf file, where the spacing is correct. But in the first sentence, why the dangling “barred by law”? Shouldn’t there be a “which is” before this phrase? Also, the usual preposition with “hostility” is hostility “to” something (meaning “against”), not hostility “for” something (meaning “in favor of”). Was this document written by a non-native speaker of English?

    [2] If I were a judge or juror in this case, I’d want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were “ostracized, belittled, and punished”. But maybe that’s what discovery is for.

    • Replies: @Fabian Forge
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Hello Mark! Good questions....

    (1) The language is not substandard when seen in context. Of the many forms of specialized, nonstandard English, the form for US Legal Pleadings is among the more specialized and ritualistic. The English in this Complaint is exactly what its primary intended readers (judges and lawyers) want and expect to see.

    (2) Yes. The details will come with the discovery process, depositions, and ultimately at trial.

    Substantively -

    It's normal and best practice to allege every possible claim however weak. As mainstream commentators have already begun to point out, the claim of political discrimination is very weak. Commenters here have also noted that claims of racial and gender discrimination through preferences and quotas are hard for non- minorities.

    BUT - you will note that Mr. Sailer focuses on the claim that management fostered or at minimum tolerated a gender and/or racially based Hostile Work Environment. I expect that if anything here really scares Google, it's this claim.

    Under other circumstances Google would obviously just use its bottomless well of cash to pay Damore et al. off, assuming the claims survived initial Motions to Dismiss. But sociopolitical circumstances make that impossible so they'll have to fight to the death.

    If this case survives the opening motions to dismiss and moves on to the pretrial discovery/deposition stage we could have some fun.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @27 year old
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    If I were a judge or juror in this case, I’d want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were “ostracized, belittled, and punished”.
     
    Dude, don't be a cuck...

    In this hypothetical, you have a chance to not only establish discrimination against Whites as a thing with legal precedent but also kick one of our worst enemies right in the teeth, and you're asking for evidence?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    , @ben tillman
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Yes, it was written by a non-native English speaker.

    , @Alden
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    As far as I can see, it’s standard.

  23. Read an article at SF Gate that Google provides free bikes for their employees to ride on their huge California campus and the bikes disappear at a rate of 100 to 250 per week. They are going to hire 30 contractors to find their missing bikes. If the bikes are worth only $200 each and they lose maybe 150 per week, that’s $30,000 per week. This company makes too much money.

  24. @epochehusserl
    @guest

    abigail fisher wasnt the strongest student denied by racial quotas.

    Replies: @Yan Shen

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who’ve sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @Yan Shen

    If I was a lawyer arguing against this line of line if reasoning I would say that the very least we need in addition to strict scrutiny is public scrutiny. They should post the standards required for each group. If Asians need to score 550 on the Blap test to get into Prestigious U and blacks only need a score of 175 then make it explicit. People should know where they stand.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Moses
    @Yan Shen

    I'm so glad you're one of the few commenters here not obsessed about race.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @The Man From K Street
    @Yan Shen


    she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.
     
    And Alan Bakke was hardly a stellar applicant to the med school at UC Davis.

    But his career sure benefited society better than that of the minority student who was chosen over him. Look that one up.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Alden

    , @biz
    @Yan Shen

    Somebody who was right on the edge of admission such that they lost their spot to AA is by definition going to be below average of those matriculating.

  25. @Yan Shen
    @Thomm


    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling.
     
    Really? Have you ever met a woman who wouldn't do almost anything for the right amount of money?

    Replies: @Thomm, @Bill jones, @bomag

    You misunderstood the comment. Those are two separate sentences.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Thomm

    English is his, uh, second rangridge....

  26. @Yan Shen
    @epochehusserl

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who've sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Moses, @The Man From K Street, @biz

    If I was a lawyer arguing against this line of line if reasoning I would say that the very least we need in addition to strict scrutiny is public scrutiny. They should post the standards required for each group. If Asians need to score 550 on the Blap test to get into Prestigious U and blacks only need a score of 175 then make it explicit. People should know where they stand.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @epochehusserl

    To the dismay of many Asians, standardized test scores are not (nor should they be, in any sane world) the sole metric used by American colleges in admissions determinations.

    Replies: @epochehusserl

  27. I wonder if this is going to be one of those cases where the “law” depends on whether or not Anthony Kennedy has indigestion that day.

  28. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google."

    [1] Why is this English so substandard? The lack of a space after the period and after the comma, the misuse of a pair of dashes, and the incorrect word separation in the last few words, might be excused as some software glitch in copying text from the .pdf file, where the spacing is correct. But in the first sentence, why the dangling "barred by law"? Shouldn't there be a "which is" before this phrase? Also, the usual preposition with "hostility" is hostility "to" something (meaning "against"), not hostility "for" something (meaning "in favor of"). Was this document written by a non-native speaker of English?

    [2] If I were a judge or juror in this case, I'd want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were "ostracized, belittled, and punished". But maybe that's what discovery is for.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge, @27 year old, @ben tillman, @Alden

    Hello Mark! Good questions….

    (1) The language is not substandard when seen in context. Of the many forms of specialized, nonstandard English, the form for US Legal Pleadings is among the more specialized and ritualistic. The English in this Complaint is exactly what its primary intended readers (judges and lawyers) want and expect to see.

    (2) Yes. The details will come with the discovery process, depositions, and ultimately at trial.

    Substantively –

    It’s normal and best practice to allege every possible claim however weak. As mainstream commentators have already begun to point out, the claim of political discrimination is very weak. Commenters here have also noted that claims of racial and gender discrimination through preferences and quotas are hard for non- minorities.

    BUT – you will note that Mr. Sailer focuses on the claim that management fostered or at minimum tolerated a gender and/or racially based Hostile Work Environment. I expect that if anything here really scares Google, it’s this claim.

    Under other circumstances Google would obviously just use its bottomless well of cash to pay Damore et al. off, assuming the claims survived initial Motions to Dismiss. But sociopolitical circumstances make that impossible so they’ll have to fight to the death.

    If this case survives the opening motions to dismiss and moves on to the pretrial discovery/deposition stage we could have some fun.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Fabian Forge


    The English in this Complaint is exactly what its primary intended readers (judges and lawyers) want and expect to see.
     
    You need to go back and take a closer look at the text. It's incompetent.
  29. I do my best to avoid using google- They’re a antiwhite globalist corporation that seeks to culturally, economically and demographically marginalize me and people like me, so why should I give them business?
    Take their frequent “Google doodles”- the majority of the time it’s of some obscure nonwhite that I guarantee you 99% of Americans have never even heard of (often times a Sub continental, which should tell you who they’re hiring). Or if it’s of a Caucasian they’re almost always of Hebraic extraction (telling about who runs the joint).

    So call me paranoid but I get this sinking feeling that the poeple running and working for Google have a hostile indifference bordering on outright dislike for the ordinary white population of America. So lots of luck to people like Damore for trying to expose them for their unsavory ways.

  30. https://mobile.twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/950527640489857024.

    I have no idea if this is trolling on the part of the people in question or literal mental illness being encouraged.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Forget it Jake, it's California.

  31. @utu
    @Thomm

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can't complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos. Keep it up. Unfortunately selfish and narrow-minded ethnocentrism works in high trust, high fairness altruistic western society to its own detriment.

    Replies: @Moses, @Negrolphin Pool, @Thomm

    In Diversimerica we’re all Jews now. Act like it.

  32. @Yan Shen
    @epochehusserl

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who've sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Moses, @The Man From K Street, @biz

    I’m so glad you’re one of the few commenters here not obsessed about race.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Moses

    Hear, hear! The blog is mostly about Human Biodiversity, so why should there be such a focus on race?

  33. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google."

    [1] Why is this English so substandard? The lack of a space after the period and after the comma, the misuse of a pair of dashes, and the incorrect word separation in the last few words, might be excused as some software glitch in copying text from the .pdf file, where the spacing is correct. But in the first sentence, why the dangling "barred by law"? Shouldn't there be a "which is" before this phrase? Also, the usual preposition with "hostility" is hostility "to" something (meaning "against"), not hostility "for" something (meaning "in favor of"). Was this document written by a non-native speaker of English?

    [2] If I were a judge or juror in this case, I'd want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were "ostracized, belittled, and punished". But maybe that's what discovery is for.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge, @27 year old, @ben tillman, @Alden

    If I were a judge or juror in this case, I’d want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were “ostracized, belittled, and punished”.

    Dude, don’t be a cuck…

    In this hypothetical, you have a chance to not only establish discrimination against Whites as a thing with legal precedent but also kick one of our worst enemies right in the teeth, and you’re asking for evidence?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @27 year old

    He's saying what will happen, here, in the real world.
    Stop with the name-calling, it makes you look childish :)

    , @AndrewR
    @27 year old

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant "a juror will want to see..." but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff's favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @27 year old

  34. @J.Ross
    Has any work environment outside the trades not been nakedly and unapologetically hostile to white males for the past twenty years?

    Replies: @1661er

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It’s mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @1661er

    Because, before the influx of these wonderful people, white Americans were quite unable to have roofs on buildings.

    Replies: @1661er, @Moses

    , @Anonymous
    @1661er

    In economic terms, this is a win/win. In nation-building/nation-wrecking terms, it's a Wreck for white Americans.

    Those little Mayans will have big families and the kids may or may not want to stay in the roofing trade. But they will vote, and they will vote anti-white and pro-socialist. In 498, almost 499 years since Cortez, they haven't learned to read or write Spanish very well or even necessarily speak it:what makes you think they'll do better with English?

    Before mestizos and now indios ran them out, residential and light commercial roofers were mostly White, and occasionally Black, men who had problems but were willing to do ass busting work for a salary they could feed and clothe and house a wife and kids on. Many were ex-cons or former dope users and most were brawling boozers, hardasses who scared the contractors who hired them a little.
    The little brown shingling machines powered by beans don't scare their employers and they can do a certain job, but their numbers will soon exceed the number of roofers the US needs. Meanwhile, prole whites can no longer feed their families.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @1661er


    It’s mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.
     
    It may indeed be mesmerizing, but on the whole they lack skills almost completely. So if you want things done fast and cheap, then third-world immigrants are your answer. If you want things done well, you'd better look elsewhere. The implications for our society aren't comforting.
    , @Alec Leamas
    @1661er


    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It’s mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.
     
    You're right for the wrong reasons.

    Worker's Compensation Insurance for Roofing Companies is nearly $0.50 to the dollar. Meaning that if you pay $20.00 per hour, you need to pay your Comp Insurer nearly $10.00 for each hour worked.

    So these Central Americans all pretend to be independent subcontractors of one another (really, they just show up for a day rate). And when one of these roly polies slips and bounces off two pitches and down three stories and breaks his back or is paralyzed, the other Central American "subcontractors" throw him in a wheel barrow and dump him in your local Emergency Room.

    Whom do you think pays for his medical care? Or to support his wife and five kids because he can't work at the only job he could do?

    Anarcho-tyranny example 2,783,908
    , @Expletive Deleted
    @1661er

    I've never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
    Every time a hurricane strikes, I'm quite distressed by the carnage wrought on these expensive shanty-towns. For instance, the cottage I'm in right now was intended to house the poorest class of farm servant, yet has solid masonry walls two feet thick, tiny windows, and a Welsh slate roof, each slate at least 1/4" thick (no eaves gap). Pit-sawn rafter pairs, i.e. half a tree, close-boarded. I clamber about on it without a second thought despite its age (sometime around 1850).
    I suppose our weather is just reliably worse than yours, without the extreme interruptions. And storm-cellars were an impossibility, they'd simply fill with water every winter, so best to have it above ground level?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross, @PiltdownMan

  35. A-Rod? Yuck.

  36. @Yan Shen
    @Thomm


    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling.
     
    Really? Have you ever met a woman who wouldn't do almost anything for the right amount of money?

    Replies: @Thomm, @Bill jones, @bomag

    Don’t be needlessly stupid. It’s a reference to sexual /racial factors.

  37. @Thomm
    @Yan Shen

    You misunderstood the comment. Those are two separate sentences.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    English is his, uh, second rangridge….

  38. @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

    Because, before the influx of these wonderful people, white Americans were quite unable to have roofs on buildings.

    • Replies: @1661er
    @Lurker

    The previous re-roofing took over an week, for same nominal cost from 25 years ago.

    The child labor laws make White no longer competitive in this field. Trump need to change the law to MAGA.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    , @Moses
    @Lurker

    Yes, but weren't all the crops rotting in the fields before mass low-skill Mexican immigration?

  39. @neutral

    The Real Problem with why Google’s hiring doesn’t reflect The Narrative.
     
    I absolutely loathe Google and certainly wish to see its demise, I hope that the narrative it enforces ends up destroying it. I am assuming that Google pays off all the civil rights shakedown operations, that being the case what would be the best way to break into their ring fenced labour force and make them accept the narrative quotas?

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    That’s what I say. If they’re so crazy about mud, force them to build their company with it.

  40. @utu
    @Thomm

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can't complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos. Keep it up. Unfortunately selfish and narrow-minded ethnocentrism works in high trust, high fairness altruistic western society to its own detriment.

    Replies: @Moses, @Negrolphin Pool, @Thomm

    Indians (dot) are the highest earning ethnic group in America.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Income is trivial when compared with wealth.

    Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

  41. “she and fellow biochemical pioneer, retired baseball slugger Alex Rodriguez, are no longer an item.”

    Biochemical pioneer.

    Lolz.

  42. @Lurker
    @1661er

    Because, before the influx of these wonderful people, white Americans were quite unable to have roofs on buildings.

    Replies: @1661er, @Moses

    The previous re-roofing took over an week, for same nominal cost from 25 years ago.

    The child labor laws make White no longer competitive in this field. Trump need to change the law to MAGA.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @1661er


    The previous re-roofing took over an week, for same nominal cost from 25 years ago.
     
    Yes, because what you want in roofing is a) speed over accuracy - after all, the roof only protects all of the structural components and contents of a home from the elements; and, b) a race to the bottom in terms of safety, because what could go wrong with men several stories above the ground working at a breakneck pace?
  43. The sexual discrimination lawsuit I am waiting for is the one that will require equal spending on healthcare benefits. we spend somewhere around $3 trillion or about 18% of our GDP on healthcare and women are hogging most of it. They use something like 30% more throughout all stages of their life and yet they out live men by almost 5 years and have much better outcomes in most areas you can measure.

    Our legislators are cowardly so nothing will ever happen there but it looks like a very inviting target to go to the Supreme Court (not that I would know). The ACA required equal or unisex premiums for health insurance so it would only make sense to make the spending equal.

  44. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    California it’s 50 percent to the attorney.
    It would be contingency, not pro bono.

    I keep track of the affirmative action law suits. Whites usually lose. Plus California law allows employers to fire employees at any time for no reason.

    Damore has to prove his allegations.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Alden

    You really should stick to diet threads. In California a 50% contingency fee contract would be viewed by the Bar as presumptively abusive, and would be difficult to enforce against the client. (Attorneys almost never win fee disputes with clients). Even for crackerjack trial horses, which this desi is not, 1/3 of the net recovery would be standard. California employers face a host of checks on their discretion to fire at-will. Employers can retain much of that common-law freedom through careful use of employee manuals and such, but those measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories. So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is "white guys suck."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden, @Alden

  45. @utu
    @Thomm

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can't complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos. Keep it up. Unfortunately selfish and narrow-minded ethnocentrism works in high trust, high fairness altruistic western society to its own detriment.

    Replies: @Moses, @Negrolphin Pool, @Thomm

    No, you fool. The defendant is Sundar Pichai, who is also Indian. The lawyer would side with Google if they retained her first (and pay her more). She has no ideology other than getting fees.

    a) I only care about opposing feminism.
    b) I am a white guy who simply hates feminism (and race-nationalism, which is a form of feminism).

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thomm

    Harmeet Dhillon seems to be a very right-wing Sikh. She wrote for the Dartmouth Review. She wants Trump to build the wall.

    Her twitter is quite interesting:
    https://twitter.com/pnjaban

    , @Moses
    @Thomm


    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

     

    Erm...hate to be picky (actually no, I don't) but didn't you just accuse someone of seeing things only in terms of race followed in the next breath with a racial stereotype, which is itself an example of seeing people in terms of race?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @utu
    @Thomm

    So you have something against white women, right? As a brown man how did you like this movie:

    I’m Tired of Watching Brown Men Fall in Love With White Women Onscreen
    https://themuse.jezebel.com/i-m-tired-of-watching-brown-men-fall-in-love-with-white-1796522590

    Replies: @Thomm

  46. @Lurker
    @1661er

    Because, before the influx of these wonderful people, white Americans were quite unable to have roofs on buildings.

    Replies: @1661er, @Moses

    Yes, but weren’t all the crops rotting in the fields before mass low-skill Mexican immigration?

  47. “spoke power to truth”

    Brilliant

  48. Dhillon seems like more of a publicity showboat than a crack litigator to me, and the complaint seems to bear that out. If her firm can at least get the class certified, then at that point it’s common to bring in other firms with more experience and expertise, since a bigger payday becomes more likely. I hope it gets that far, since the discovery and the Google employee depositions should yield much entertainment, win or lose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stephen Marle II

    It sounds as though you know exactly how these things play out.

    And agreed: there could be some serious lulz in it for us all.

    , @Kevin C.
    @Stephen Marle II


    I hope it gets that far, since the discovery and the Google employee depositions should yield much entertainment, win or lose.
     
    Because it's all good, so long as we get "much entertainment"? Because who cares if Google keeps on being yet another Leftist juggernaut here to crush us, so long as theres "lulz" to be had?

    Where are your priorities, man?
  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

    In economic terms, this is a win/win. In nation-building/nation-wrecking terms, it’s a Wreck for white Americans.

    Those little Mayans will have big families and the kids may or may not want to stay in the roofing trade. But they will vote, and they will vote anti-white and pro-socialist. In 498, almost 499 years since Cortez, they haven’t learned to read or write Spanish very well or even necessarily speak it:what makes you think they’ll do better with English?

    Before mestizos and now indios ran them out, residential and light commercial roofers were mostly White, and occasionally Black, men who had problems but were willing to do ass busting work for a salary they could feed and clothe and house a wife and kids on. Many were ex-cons or former dope users and most were brawling boozers, hardasses who scared the contractors who hired them a little.
    The little brown shingling machines powered by beans don’t scare their employers and they can do a certain job, but their numbers will soon exceed the number of roofers the US needs. Meanwhile, prole whites can no longer feed their families.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Modern America in a nutshell, for everyone save the Elites.

    You have figured it out, and the future ain't pretty.

    -----------------------------------------

    Side note: OMG, next year is the 500-year anniversary of Cortez.

    Are celebrations being planned??

    -----------------------------------------

    Second side note: Wiki's article on Cortez is particularly amateurish.

    And its article entitled "Spanish colonization of the Americas" fails even to mention St. Augustine, Florida.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It seems that Dhillon Law is the firm that just recently got an $11,100 judgement against antifa schoolteacher Yvette Felarca for the Berkeley student Republican president.

    https://www.dhillonlaw.com/blog/article/court-orders-bamn-leader-pay-former-berkeley-college-republican-president/

    According to Harmeet Dhillon:

    Felarca’s pattern of abusing the courts to achieve her anarchist ends is a classic Alinsky tactic. We are pleased that the court recognized this today and ordered Felarca to pay Worden’s attorney fees and his court costs associated with her baseless complaint.

  51. @Thomm
    @utu

    No, you fool. The defendant is Sundar Pichai, who is also Indian. The lawyer would side with Google if they retained her first (and pay her more). She has no ideology other than getting fees.

    a) I only care about opposing feminism.
    b) I am a white guy who simply hates feminism (and race-nationalism, which is a form of feminism).

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Moses, @utu

    Harmeet Dhillon seems to be a very right-wing Sikh. She wrote for the Dartmouth Review. She wants Trump to build the wall.

    Her twitter is quite interesting:

  52. @Alden
    @Thomm

    California it’s 50 percent to the attorney.
    It would be contingency, not pro bono.

    I keep track of the affirmative action law suits. Whites usually lose. Plus California law allows employers to fire employees at any time for no reason.

    Damore has to prove his allegations.

    Replies: @Marty

    You really should stick to diet threads. In California a 50% contingency fee contract would be viewed by the Bar as presumptively abusive, and would be difficult to enforce against the client. (Attorneys almost never win fee disputes with clients). Even for crackerjack trial horses, which this desi is not, 1/3 of the net recovery would be standard. California employers face a host of checks on their discretion to fire at-will. Employers can retain much of that common-law freedom through careful use of employee manuals and such, but those measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories. So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is “white guys suck.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marty


    (T)hose measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories.
     
    Well yes, in theory.


    So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is “white guys suck.”
     
    "Adjudicated" ≠ "Reported"

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    , @Alden
    @Marty

    California contingency fees are 50 percent except for workman’s compensation for which the fee is 15 percent.

    Where did you get the idea that California fees are 30 percent? Ask any attorney or anyone who has ever been a plaintiff.

    A California employe can be fired for no reason whatsoever unless the person fired is fired because he she belongs to a protected class.

    , @Alden
    @Marty

    You posted exactly what I posted The only protection California employees have against being fired is if they belong to a protected class.

    But in their drive to get rid of White employees, employers find themselves with an entire workforce of protected class minorites. Von’s has done that to itself. It’s saddled with lots of useless, disruptive black and brown felons they can’t get rid of simply because they are black and brown.

    And 50 percent contingency fee is standard in California Even the starving hard scrabble attorneys won’t file withour 50 percent fee agreement

    And since the settlement checks go directly to the attorney, not the client I don’t see how the client can refuse to pay the attorney his 50 percent fee.

    What happens, the client leaves the money sitting in the attorneys trust account and goes and hires another attorney to get the 50 percent fee reduced to 30 percent?

  53. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    She might need to up her game a bit.

    https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/950468421681999872

    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.

    • Replies: @rogue-one
    @Dave Pinsen

    Not really. Just because Antifa claims to punch nazis and then they punch you claiming you too are a nazi doesn't insinuate that you are actually a nazi.

    Rather, it sounds like workplace bullying by highly aggressive lunatics.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen


    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.
     
    Those Asian kids were likely East Asians. The Chinese, especially when they have English language skills, whether in Asia or here as immigrants, tend to adopt an Anglo-Saxon name for everyday use.

    Harmeet Dhillon is the child of Sikh immigrants from India, who tend not use Angl0-Saxon Christian nicknames here in America. Harmeet is a Punjabi language name.

    A former colleague and friend who is Indian, explained that even Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal's first names are actually commonplace old-time nicknames in the Punjabi language which just happen to sound identical to names common in America. He also explained that Hindu Indian immigrants sometimes pick Sanskrit based names like Neel and Raj, which sound like "Neil" and short for "Roger." But oftentimes, he said, they just go for the straight Sanskrit names.

    But based on that, it seems to me that Dinesh D'Souza didn't adopt an Anglo name, as his last name is Portuguese, and thus European.

    Commenter Twinkie has often commented that data shows that Indian immigrants to America are resistant to cultural and social assimilation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen

  54. White males are not a protected class of persons; Conservatives are most certainly not, regardless of race or gender. This case is going nowhere. In fact, he will probably be forced to cover Google’s legal costs.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @The Alarmist

    You have to be a "protected class" to have rights? Is this that Eric Holder thing about how white people cannot be victims of racism? Has there been no movement on that at all with Sessions in?

    Replies: @L Woods, @Alden

    , @Kevin C.
    @The Alarmist

    Indeed, it's quite hopeless.

  55. @Thomm
    @utu

    No, you fool. The defendant is Sundar Pichai, who is also Indian. The lawyer would side with Google if they retained her first (and pay her more). She has no ideology other than getting fees.

    a) I only care about opposing feminism.
    b) I am a white guy who simply hates feminism (and race-nationalism, which is a form of feminism).

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Moses, @utu

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    Erm…hate to be picky (actually no, I don’t) but didn’t you just accuse someone of seeing things only in terms of race followed in the next breath with a racial stereotype, which is itself an example of seeing people in terms of race?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Moses

    Hey Mo, leave Thomm alone! He finally managed to get through a couple comments without a single "WN wigger"!

  56. @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomm

    She might need to up her game a bit.

    https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/950468421681999872

    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.

    Replies: @rogue-one, @PiltdownMan

    Not really. Just because Antifa claims to punch nazis and then they punch you claiming you too are a nazi doesn’t insinuate that you are actually a nazi.

    Rather, it sounds like workplace bullying by highly aggressive lunatics.

  57. @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    Well, that explains the clumsy English and poor punctuation–among other things.

    Seriously, can’t Google engineers–and their lawyers–afford proofreaders at least?

    I can remember a time when attorneys were reasonably careful about language.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous



    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).
     
    Well, that explains the clumsy English and poor punctuation–among other things.
     
    Not really. Complaints like this are typically cobbled together by combining bits and pieces of disparate complaints in earlier cases that turned out well. Sometimes, the parts are not fully melded together. Obviously, Dhillion does not maintain a stable of Ivy League proof readers, but that is hardly a major issue.

    Notwithstanding such nitpicks, the complaint as a whole seems quite well researched and organized. It is understood that in a lawsuit of this nature, the precise contours of the claim will be successively refined and adapted in response to legal and factual challenges.
  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

    It’s mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    It may indeed be mesmerizing, but on the whole they lack skills almost completely. So if you want things done fast and cheap, then third-world immigrants are your answer. If you want things done well, you’d better look elsewhere. The implications for our society aren’t comforting.

  59. @Negrolphin Pool
    @utu

    Indians (dot) are the highest earning ethnic group in America.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Income is trivial when compared with wealth.

    Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @Anonymous

    I could easily believe Jews have more per capita wealth. But if you're saying that the ranking by income is a wildly inaccurate proxy measure for accomplishment and Indians indeed have cause to be jealous of other races in that regard, then it's you who has to get back with me on the relevant stats because the burden of proof is yours.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  60. @Fabian Forge
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Hello Mark! Good questions....

    (1) The language is not substandard when seen in context. Of the many forms of specialized, nonstandard English, the form for US Legal Pleadings is among the more specialized and ritualistic. The English in this Complaint is exactly what its primary intended readers (judges and lawyers) want and expect to see.

    (2) Yes. The details will come with the discovery process, depositions, and ultimately at trial.

    Substantively -

    It's normal and best practice to allege every possible claim however weak. As mainstream commentators have already begun to point out, the claim of political discrimination is very weak. Commenters here have also noted that claims of racial and gender discrimination through preferences and quotas are hard for non- minorities.

    BUT - you will note that Mr. Sailer focuses on the claim that management fostered or at minimum tolerated a gender and/or racially based Hostile Work Environment. I expect that if anything here really scares Google, it's this claim.

    Under other circumstances Google would obviously just use its bottomless well of cash to pay Damore et al. off, assuming the claims survived initial Motions to Dismiss. But sociopolitical circumstances make that impossible so they'll have to fight to the death.

    If this case survives the opening motions to dismiss and moves on to the pretrial discovery/deposition stage we could have some fun.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The English in this Complaint is exactly what its primary intended readers (judges and lawyers) want and expect to see.

    You need to go back and take a closer look at the text. It’s incompetent.

  61. @epochehusserl
    @Yan Shen

    If I was a lawyer arguing against this line of line if reasoning I would say that the very least we need in addition to strict scrutiny is public scrutiny. They should post the standards required for each group. If Asians need to score 550 on the Blap test to get into Prestigious U and blacks only need a score of 175 then make it explicit. People should know where they stand.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    To the dismay of many Asians, standardized test scores are not (nor should they be, in any sane world) the sole metric used by American colleges in admissions determinations.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @Anonymous

    The point of my comment is that institutions should be forced to make it explicit that they are forcing different people to different standards. That is all. I dont think standardized test scores are the only thing that matters.

  62. @anon
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/950527640489857024.

    I have no idea if this is trolling on the part of the people in question or literal mental illness being encouraged.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Forget it Jake, it’s California.

  63. @27 year old
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    If I were a judge or juror in this case, I’d want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were “ostracized, belittled, and punished”.
     
    Dude, don't be a cuck...

    In this hypothetical, you have a chance to not only establish discrimination against Whites as a thing with legal precedent but also kick one of our worst enemies right in the teeth, and you're asking for evidence?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    He’s saying what will happen, here, in the real world.
    Stop with the name-calling, it makes you look childish 🙂

    • Agree: AndrewR
  64. @Anonymous
    @1661er

    In economic terms, this is a win/win. In nation-building/nation-wrecking terms, it's a Wreck for white Americans.

    Those little Mayans will have big families and the kids may or may not want to stay in the roofing trade. But they will vote, and they will vote anti-white and pro-socialist. In 498, almost 499 years since Cortez, they haven't learned to read or write Spanish very well or even necessarily speak it:what makes you think they'll do better with English?

    Before mestizos and now indios ran them out, residential and light commercial roofers were mostly White, and occasionally Black, men who had problems but were willing to do ass busting work for a salary they could feed and clothe and house a wife and kids on. Many were ex-cons or former dope users and most were brawling boozers, hardasses who scared the contractors who hired them a little.
    The little brown shingling machines powered by beans don't scare their employers and they can do a certain job, but their numbers will soon exceed the number of roofers the US needs. Meanwhile, prole whites can no longer feed their families.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Modern America in a nutshell, for everyone save the Elites.

    You have figured it out, and the future ain’t pretty.

    —————————————–

    Side note: OMG, next year is the 500-year anniversary of Cortez.

    Are celebrations being planned??

    —————————————–

    Second side note: Wiki’s article on Cortez is particularly amateurish.

    And its article entitled “Spanish colonization of the Americas” fails even to mention St. Augustine, Florida.

  65. @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomm

    She might need to up her game a bit.

    https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/950468421681999872

    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.

    Replies: @rogue-one, @PiltdownMan

    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.

    Those Asian kids were likely East Asians. The Chinese, especially when they have English language skills, whether in Asia or here as immigrants, tend to adopt an Anglo-Saxon name for everyday use.

    Harmeet Dhillon is the child of Sikh immigrants from India, who tend not use Angl0-Saxon Christian nicknames here in America. Harmeet is a Punjabi language name.

    A former colleague and friend who is Indian, explained that even Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal’s first names are actually commonplace old-time nicknames in the Punjabi language which just happen to sound identical to names common in America. He also explained that Hindu Indian immigrants sometimes pick Sanskrit based names like Neel and Raj, which sound like “Neil” and short for “Roger.” But oftentimes, he said, they just go for the straight Sanskrit names.

    But based on that, it seems to me that Dinesh D’Souza didn’t adopt an Anglo name, as his last name is Portuguese, and thus European.

    Commenter Twinkie has often commented that data shows that Indian immigrants to America are resistant to cultural and social assimilation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    I assume D'Souza is a Portuguese name and that his ancestors come from Goa, which was a Portuguese colony in India for 450 years until it was annexed by India in 1961. Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans - the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Numinous

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @PiltdownMan

    Nikki Haley's given first name is Nimrata, and Bobby Jindal's is Piyush. What Jack said about D'Souza.

  66. @Anonymous
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Income is trivial when compared with wealth.

    Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    I could easily believe Jews have more per capita wealth. But if you’re saying that the ranking by income is a wildly inaccurate proxy measure for accomplishment and Indians indeed have cause to be jealous of other races in that regard, then it’s you who has to get back with me on the relevant stats because the burden of proof is yours.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Negrolphin Pool

    What a bizarre series of conjectures. I said nothing at all about 'accomplishment' and even less about 'causes to be jealous'. Not even quite sure what you're talking about, or to whom.

    What I did say was "Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats." And the reason for that is because neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here can find comparable wealth stats, and (unlike you) I would dearly love to be proven wrong.

    What you (and anyone else interested) might find it profitable to conjecture about is precisely why income stats are so readily available at this 'granular' level of ethnicity, and wealth stats are so completely not.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    From the lawsuit:

    Google furnishes a large number of internal mailing lists catering to employees with alternative lifestyles, including furries, polygamy, transgenderism, and plurality[3], for the purpose of discussing sexual topics. The only lifestyle that seems to not be openly discussed on Google’s internal forums is traditional heterosexual monogamy.

    [3] For instance, an employee who sexually identifies as “a yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin” and “an expansive ornate building” presented a talk entitled “Living as a Plural Being” at an internal company event.

  68. James Damore reminds me of Private Joe Bowers in Idiocracy. Though his common sense is not welcomed in this particular dumbed down environment.

  69. “It’s got electrolytes” “It’s got White privilege”

  70. @Yan Shen
    @epochehusserl

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who've sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Moses, @The Man From K Street, @biz

    she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    And Alan Bakke was hardly a stellar applicant to the med school at UC Davis.

    But his career sure benefited society better than that of the minority student who was chosen over him. Look that one up.

    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    @The Man From K Street

    We can all agree that James Damore is someone worth standing up for and defending. Honestly, I'm excited about this case. I think it could finally be the big break that brings us back to sanity. Let's hope that this ends up being the Trial of the Century.

    , @Alden
    @The Man From K Street

    Don’t remember his name but the unqualified black who took Bakke’s place ended up running an unlicensed lipo suction clinic and killing at least one patient.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  71. @Stephen Marle II
    Dhillon seems like more of a publicity showboat than a crack litigator to me, and the complaint seems to bear that out. If her firm can at least get the class certified, then at that point it's common to bring in other firms with more experience and expertise, since a bigger payday becomes more likely. I hope it gets that far, since the discovery and the Google employee depositions should yield much entertainment, win or lose.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kevin C.

    It sounds as though you know exactly how these things play out.

    And agreed: there could be some serious lulz in it for us all.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Marty
    @Alden

    You really should stick to diet threads. In California a 50% contingency fee contract would be viewed by the Bar as presumptively abusive, and would be difficult to enforce against the client. (Attorneys almost never win fee disputes with clients). Even for crackerjack trial horses, which this desi is not, 1/3 of the net recovery would be standard. California employers face a host of checks on their discretion to fire at-will. Employers can retain much of that common-law freedom through careful use of employee manuals and such, but those measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories. So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is "white guys suck."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden, @Alden

    (T)hose measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories.

    Well yes, in theory.

    So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is “white guys suck.”

    “Adjudicated” ≠ “Reported”

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Anonymous


    Well yes, in theory.
     
    Indeed, while in practice, some animals are more equal than others.
  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    @Anonymous

    I could easily believe Jews have more per capita wealth. But if you're saying that the ranking by income is a wildly inaccurate proxy measure for accomplishment and Indians indeed have cause to be jealous of other races in that regard, then it's you who has to get back with me on the relevant stats because the burden of proof is yours.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What a bizarre series of conjectures. I said nothing at all about ‘accomplishment’ and even less about ’causes to be jealous’. Not even quite sure what you’re talking about, or to whom.

    What I did say was “Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats.” And the reason for that is because neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here can find comparable wealth stats, and (unlike you) I would dearly love to be proven wrong.

    What you (and anyone else interested) might find it profitable to conjecture about is precisely why income stats are so readily available at this ‘granular’ level of ethnicity, and wealth stats are so completely not.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @Anonymous

    You were responding to a comment in a thread of comments. Maybe I should have block quoted the statement to which I was responding for additional clarity, but I think what I was saying should be as clear as it is logical in that context. In part, here it is,


    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can’t complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos.
     
    I think the Forbes 400 list may provide a good starting point on US wealth. While Jews are overrepresented, prominently in the U.S., there are a fair number of Indians worldwide, e.g. Lackshmi Mittal and Mukesh Ambani.
  74. @The Man From K Street
    @Yan Shen


    she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.
     
    And Alan Bakke was hardly a stellar applicant to the med school at UC Davis.

    But his career sure benefited society better than that of the minority student who was chosen over him. Look that one up.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Alden

    We can all agree that James Damore is someone worth standing up for and defending. Honestly, I’m excited about this case. I think it could finally be the big break that brings us back to sanity. Let’s hope that this ends up being the Trial of the Century.

  75. Lol, googlers are crazier than shithouse rats.

  76. @27 year old
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    If I were a judge or juror in this case, I’d want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were “ostracized, belittled, and punished”.
     
    Dude, don't be a cuck...

    In this hypothetical, you have a chance to not only establish discrimination against Whites as a thing with legal precedent but also kick one of our worst enemies right in the teeth, and you're asking for evidence?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant “a juror will want to see…” but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff’s favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AndrewR

    I like the 27 year old's comments, even when I don't agree.

    You and I recall a time when "any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence"*, but the 27 year old reminds us that that time has long been past for the Left and that by continuing to adhere to Marquess of Queensberry Rules we are handicapping ourselves in what is now a mortal streetfight.

    * Like in the Kate Steinle murder trial?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Anonymous
    @AndrewR


    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved.
     
    Adding to the dismay here is the fact that this is what our enemies want. We try to be better than that.

    Replies: @L Woods

    , @Alec Leamas
    @AndrewR


    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff’s favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs.
     
    This is a civil case, where unless the standard of proof has been heightened by statute (I don't think it has), a juror should require evidence only that the fact for which evidence is offered is more likely than not to have occurred. Plaintiffs don't need "strong evidence," they need some evidence.

    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.
     
    If we still placed importance on evidence rather than simple tribalism, the standard for allegations of discrimination against blacks and others wouldn't be "disparate impact."

    Is it that 27yearold wants a racial spoils system, or that he recognizes the de facto current existence of one in which he and his tribe is uniquely disfavored?

    I greatly admire Anglo-American Justice and its principles of equality of prince and pauper before the law. But my admiration doesn't compel me to pretend that we live in that world when it is clear that we do not.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @27 year old
    @AndrewR

    The White concept of justice based on facts & evidence is not a suicide pact.

    Whether I want it or not, we're living in a racial spoils system with kangaroo court rulings based on the race of the people involved. It's who-whom all the way down. Whites can't keep standing on principle in this environment. It's insane.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Kevin C.

  77. Maybe I’m out of touch, but scanning through the James Damore file, what leaps out at me most is the question, “Does anyone actually work for a living anymore?”

    Vast amounts of time at the company supposedly on the cutting edge of productiveness, Google, are spent in what appear to be nonstop poz yakfests: publishing political manifestos and memes, lobbying for peer bonuses, discussing the proper way of announcing one’s polygamy, lecturing on life as a “dragonkin plural being”, etc.

    All strength and power to Mr. Damore, but looking over his lengthy memo, I can’t help but think that when I worked in corporate America, I wouldn’t have had time to compose such a thing, and had anyone reporting to me done so, I would have had … reservations about their time management, even if I agreed with what they wrote.

    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid? Longevity despite imbecility was alleged about the even more rich USA, and we all know where that is heading…

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it’s online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s? From what I can tell, all of its side hustles, spin-offs, “moon-shots”, etc. are money losers. Just a lot of heat/noise/flash to obscure that it still relies financially on that billion-dollar river of nickels that is AdWords.

    • LOL: fish, Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    , @Samuel Skinner
    @Almost Missouri


    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it’s online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s?
     
    Vox Day looked into this. The answer is no.
    , @Dmitry
    @Almost Missouri


    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid?
     
    Apparently so.

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it’s online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s?
     
    It's not like they need to. They generate enormous and continually growing advertising revenues, from customers around the world. And with comparatively few expenses..
  78. @AndrewR
    @27 year old

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant "a juror will want to see..." but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff's favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @27 year old

    I like the 27 year old‘s comments, even when I don’t agree.

    You and I recall a time when “any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence”*, but the 27 year old reminds us that that time has long been past for the Left and that by continuing to adhere to Marquess of Queensberry Rules we are handicapping ourselves in what is now a mortal streetfight.

    * Like in the Kate Steinle murder trial?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Almost Missouri

    I am not a great deal older than 27 (or whatever age he is in 2018), and I do recognize that the left doesn't play fair. It's who/whom all the way down with them. I understand that beating a dishonorable opponent can require acting dishonorably. But 27YO seems to be completely unscrupulous. A good person feels bad when he has to do bad things. And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Kevin C.

  79. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe I'm out of touch, but scanning through the James Damore file, what leaps out at me most is the question, "Does anyone actually work for a living anymore?"

    Vast amounts of time at the company supposedly on the cutting edge of productiveness, Google, are spent in what appear to be nonstop poz yakfests: publishing political manifestos and memes, lobbying for peer bonuses, discussing the proper way of announcing one's polygamy, lecturing on life as a "dragonkin plural being", etc.

    All strength and power to Mr. Damore, but looking over his lengthy memo, I can't help but think that when I worked in corporate America, I wouldn't have had time to compose such a thing, and had anyone reporting to me done so, I would have had ... reservations about their time management, even if I agreed with what they wrote.

    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid? Longevity despite imbecility was alleged about the even more rich USA, and we all know where that is heading...

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it's online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s? From what I can tell, all of its side hustles, spin-offs, "moon-shots", etc. are money losers. Just a lot of heat/noise/flash to obscure that it still relies financially on that billion-dollar river of nickels that is AdWords.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Samuel Skinner, @Dmitry

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Yan Shen


    I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.
     
    Indeed. These people are on another planet.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    , @Anonymous
    @Yan Shen

    Twitter thread with some gems:

    https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121

    , @Clyde
    @Yan Shen

    That doc shows some-
    Crazy goings on at google. I know that Chinese and Indian tech companies don't have such hyper-PC idiots working for them and terrorizing the productive workers. I agree that google is just coasting via its billions in ad revenue. They have a lock on this that has lead to internal rot.

    , @Alden
    @Yan Shen

    Try being a White working with blacks.

    , @Alden
    @Yan Shen

    I read most of it. I had to sit through something similar for years. The sessions weren’t we must hire more minorities. That was being done already. The sessions were mostly you are evil Whites.

    The session leaders were lefty Jewish women who pushed and pushed hoping we would respond and they would have a chance to make a complaint and get us fired. I just sat there and didn’t say a word.

    At least Damore was never brought up on racism charges because he refused to have sex with blacks.

    I read most of the pleading. Google can respond by claiming that Damore created and the other plaintiff created a hostile racist sexist environment for thousands of employees.

    Discrimination against White men is the law of the land.

    No wonder they work such long hours. With all those endless meetings and chat room discussions they need the extra time to get any work done.

    It seems to me that google was trying to tell fast track applicants for higher management positions that if the got the high level job they would have to deny promotion to White men.

    The military’s done that for years. If a Captain wants to become a Major he has to write bad reports about the Lieutenants under him to justify not re enlisting them.

    And do on up the chain of command until White male officers are eliminated.

    In California an employee can be fired at any time for no reason. The exception is race sex gay disabled ........ discrimination

    But Damore is a White man who by law can and should be discriminated against.

    I can’t wait too see google’s response.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

  80. @Yan Shen
    @epochehusserl

    Unlike the various Asian Americans who've sued schools alleging discrimination, Abigail Fisher was fairly mediocre. IIRC her SAT scores were below the average of matriculating students at UT Austin, so yes, she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Moses, @The Man From K Street, @biz

    Somebody who was right on the edge of admission such that they lost their spot to AA is by definition going to be below average of those matriculating.

  81. @Moses
    @Yan Shen

    I'm so glad you're one of the few commenters here not obsessed about race.

    Replies: @Neuday

    Hear, hear! The blog is mostly about Human Biodiversity, so why should there be such a focus on race?

  82. HI says: • Website

    Can a wingless dragonkin date an attack helicopter? Can I self identify as a Google employee? Inquiring minds…

    Dhillon is a former vice chair of the state Republican party. She’s taken on free speech cases against Berkeley and other Republican cases. In the words of Ali G., RESPEK.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HI

    I self-identify as a Google angel investor and shareholder.

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    @27 year old

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant "a juror will want to see..." but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff's favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @27 year old

    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved.

    Adding to the dismay here is the fact that this is what our enemies want. We try to be better than that.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    How's that working out for you (us)?

  84. @Moses
    @Thomm


    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

     

    Erm...hate to be picky (actually no, I don't) but didn't you just accuse someone of seeing things only in terms of race followed in the next breath with a racial stereotype, which is itself an example of seeing people in terms of race?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Hey Mo, leave Thomm alone! He finally managed to get through a couple comments without a single “WN wigger”!

  85. @HI
    Can a wingless dragonkin date an attack helicopter? Can I self identify as a Google employee? Inquiring minds...

    Dhillon is a former vice chair of the state Republican party. She's taken on free speech cases against Berkeley and other Republican cases. In the words of Ali G., RESPEK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBKk1McBLxM

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I self-identify as a Google angel investor and shareholder.

  86. @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It’s mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    You’re right for the wrong reasons.

    Worker’s Compensation Insurance for Roofing Companies is nearly $0.50 to the dollar. Meaning that if you pay $20.00 per hour, you need to pay your Comp Insurer nearly $10.00 for each hour worked.

    So these Central Americans all pretend to be independent subcontractors of one another (really, they just show up for a day rate). And when one of these roly polies slips and bounces off two pitches and down three stories and breaks his back or is paralyzed, the other Central American “subcontractors” throw him in a wheel barrow and dump him in your local Emergency Room.

    Whom do you think pays for his medical care? Or to support his wife and five kids because he can’t work at the only job he could do?

    Anarcho-tyranny example 2,783,908

  87. @AndrewR
    @27 year old

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant "a juror will want to see..." but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff's favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @27 year old

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff’s favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs.

    This is a civil case, where unless the standard of proof has been heightened by statute (I don’t think it has), a juror should require evidence only that the fact for which evidence is offered is more likely than not to have occurred. Plaintiffs don’t need “strong evidence,” they need some evidence.

    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    If we still placed importance on evidence rather than simple tribalism, the standard for allegations of discrimination against blacks and others wouldn’t be “disparate impact.”

    Is it that 27yearold wants a racial spoils system, or that he recognizes the de facto current existence of one in which he and his tribe is uniquely disfavored?

    I greatly admire Anglo-American Justice and its principles of equality of prince and pauper before the law. But my admiration doesn’t compel me to pretend that we live in that world when it is clear that we do not.

    • Agree: epochehusserl, L Woods
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Alec Leamas

    His comment pretty clearly suggests he has no qualms about resorting to naked tribalism. I can understand being pragmatic and "taking the low road" in order to beat a dishonorable opponent, but one should never be enthusiastic about sacrificing higher principles, and 27 Year Old is clearly enthusiastic about it.

  88. @1661er
    @Lurker

    The previous re-roofing took over an week, for same nominal cost from 25 years ago.

    The child labor laws make White no longer competitive in this field. Trump need to change the law to MAGA.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    The previous re-roofing took over an week, for same nominal cost from 25 years ago.

    Yes, because what you want in roofing is a) speed over accuracy – after all, the roof only protects all of the structural components and contents of a home from the elements; and, b) a race to the bottom in terms of safety, because what could go wrong with men several stories above the ground working at a breakneck pace?

  89. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google."

    [1] Why is this English so substandard? The lack of a space after the period and after the comma, the misuse of a pair of dashes, and the incorrect word separation in the last few words, might be excused as some software glitch in copying text from the .pdf file, where the spacing is correct. But in the first sentence, why the dangling "barred by law"? Shouldn't there be a "which is" before this phrase? Also, the usual preposition with "hostility" is hostility "to" something (meaning "against"), not hostility "for" something (meaning "in favor of"). Was this document written by a non-native speaker of English?

    [2] If I were a judge or juror in this case, I'd want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were "ostracized, belittled, and punished". But maybe that's what discovery is for.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge, @27 year old, @ben tillman, @Alden

    Yes, it was written by a non-native English speaker.

  90. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe I'm out of touch, but scanning through the James Damore file, what leaps out at me most is the question, "Does anyone actually work for a living anymore?"

    Vast amounts of time at the company supposedly on the cutting edge of productiveness, Google, are spent in what appear to be nonstop poz yakfests: publishing political manifestos and memes, lobbying for peer bonuses, discussing the proper way of announcing one's polygamy, lecturing on life as a "dragonkin plural being", etc.

    All strength and power to Mr. Damore, but looking over his lengthy memo, I can't help but think that when I worked in corporate America, I wouldn't have had time to compose such a thing, and had anyone reporting to me done so, I would have had ... reservations about their time management, even if I agreed with what they wrote.

    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid? Longevity despite imbecility was alleged about the even more rich USA, and we all know where that is heading...

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it's online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s? From what I can tell, all of its side hustles, spin-offs, "moon-shots", etc. are money losers. Just a lot of heat/noise/flash to obscure that it still relies financially on that billion-dollar river of nickels that is AdWords.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Samuel Skinner, @Dmitry

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it’s online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s?

    Vox Day looked into this. The answer is no.

  91. @Steve Sailor

    Pertinent to mention here:

    Trump team are backing away from cutting back H1B visas. What a sellout.

  92. @Alec Leamas
    @AndrewR


    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff’s favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs.
     
    This is a civil case, where unless the standard of proof has been heightened by statute (I don't think it has), a juror should require evidence only that the fact for which evidence is offered is more likely than not to have occurred. Plaintiffs don't need "strong evidence," they need some evidence.

    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.
     
    If we still placed importance on evidence rather than simple tribalism, the standard for allegations of discrimination against blacks and others wouldn't be "disparate impact."

    Is it that 27yearold wants a racial spoils system, or that he recognizes the de facto current existence of one in which he and his tribe is uniquely disfavored?

    I greatly admire Anglo-American Justice and its principles of equality of prince and pauper before the law. But my admiration doesn't compel me to pretend that we live in that world when it is clear that we do not.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    His comment pretty clearly suggests he has no qualms about resorting to naked tribalism. I can understand being pragmatic and “taking the low road” in order to beat a dishonorable opponent, but one should never be enthusiastic about sacrificing higher principles, and 27 Year Old is clearly enthusiastic about it.

  93. @Almost Missouri
    @AndrewR

    I like the 27 year old's comments, even when I don't agree.

    You and I recall a time when "any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence"*, but the 27 year old reminds us that that time has long been past for the Left and that by continuing to adhere to Marquess of Queensberry Rules we are handicapping ourselves in what is now a mortal streetfight.

    * Like in the Kate Steinle murder trial?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I am not a great deal older than 27 (or whatever age he is in 2018), and I do recognize that the left doesn’t play fair. It’s who/whom all the way down with them. I understand that beating a dishonorable opponent can require acting dishonorably. But 27YO seems to be completely unscrupulous. A good person feels bad when he has to do bad things. And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @AndrewR

    It is legal to discriminate against White males. It’s not just legal, it is mandated by numerous laws and court findings and enforced by numerous government agencies. Has been since 1968.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Almost Missouri
    @AndrewR

    It is not only that the Left long ago abandoned any honor standard. Even getting "honest, decent" jurors is pretty unusual nowadays, thank to labors of the Left.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-extended-crime-families-tax-fraud-and-hung-juries

    When neither your opponent nor the referee upholds honor, what's the plan? Dying with dignity?

    [In case you are considering answering "yes" to that, please be assured that the Left are working to foreclose that too. C.f., Andrew Breitbart, RIP.]

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Kevin C.
    @AndrewR


    And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.
     
    So what? According to our ruling elites, and thus our courts, acting discriminatorily towards white males, especially those who are insufficiently Leftist, is perfectly a-okay. And that's almost certainly what's going to happen. We'll find plenty of evidence of Google being anti-white, anti-male, etc., and the court will dutifully rule — wrapped up in suitable sophistical verbiage — that none of it constitutes a "hostile work environment" because white, male, etc. aren't "protected classes", and therefore that discriminating against them is perfectly legal.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  94. I like this one, on page 43:

    Google Was Unable to Respond to Logical Arguments

    166. On November 15, 2015, a Google employee complained to Google HR regarding a highly offensive post from an employee in the Developer Product Group. The post stated:

    “If you put a group of 40-something white men in a room together and tell them to come up with something creative or innovative, they’ll come back and tell you how enjoyable the process was, and how they want to do it again, but they come up with fuck-­all as a result!” (emphasis added.)

    The Google employee stated that this statement was a violation of the Google Code of
    Conduct, and was creating a hostile workplace environment as it targeted Caucasians, males, and individuals over the age of 40.

    Google HR responded: “Given the context of the post and that [the employee’s] main point is to highlight that it is helpful to have diverse perspectives, it doesn’t appear that the post to [sic] violates our policies.”

    Perplexed, the Google employee responded to Google HR by replacing the term “40-something white men” with “women” and asked how that was not a breach of conduct. Google failed to respond.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @larry lurker

    This is a good example of why this may indeed be fun.

    But the other point here about Google having damaging info on everyone including your lawyers is also valid. It's not like they won't play dirty, and along with their friends in government they have the means as well as the taste for that.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian
    'Class action lawsuit' ... USA lawyers have a saying about these things, 'Bribed American judges, motherf-cker!'

    Google in court ... is like that scene early in 'Goodfellas' where the mafia kid's lawyer smiles his grin for the judge on the bench in front of him

    Google is the best friend the US bribe-taking judges have in the world

    If you know businesspeople or others, who have had the full 'experience' of the US court system, you learn that the US courts are nothing like portrayed in Hollywood movies or TV shows ... It is foolish to think that the rest of the government is corruptible but the judges are not in the game ... a game well-hidden by media and, well, by Google

    No company is more key to the US judge-lawyer bribery complex than Google ... the Google lawyers inviting and welcoming 'orders to Google' to hide the actions of their law firm friends

    Including the 'Google hyper-injunction', whereby Google itself, and the parties to the case, are all under gag order to not disclose that there is an order banning search results from Google

    Class action cases in general, go nowhere unless the Powers That Be see some interest in them going forward ... tho often indeed they run up many hundreds of thousands in legal bills - generously shared with the judges - before the lawyers say, 'Case dismissed, motherf-cker!'

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    QUOTE: “Including the ‘Google hyper-injunction’, whereby Google itself, and the parties to the case, are all under gag order to not disclose that there is an order banning search results from Google.” UNQUOTE
    Care to share what the underlying case is about? What are they trying to hide?

    Certainly not surprising that some red-diaper judgette (m/f) would go along with the most bizarre travesty undermining the foundations of democracy.

  96. @Anonymous
    @Negrolphin Pool

    What a bizarre series of conjectures. I said nothing at all about 'accomplishment' and even less about 'causes to be jealous'. Not even quite sure what you're talking about, or to whom.

    What I did say was "Get back to us when you find comparable wealth stats." And the reason for that is because neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here can find comparable wealth stats, and (unlike you) I would dearly love to be proven wrong.

    What you (and anyone else interested) might find it profitable to conjecture about is precisely why income stats are so readily available at this 'granular' level of ethnicity, and wealth stats are so completely not.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    You were responding to a comment in a thread of comments. Maybe I should have block quoted the statement to which I was responding for additional clarity, but I think what I was saying should be as clear as it is logical in that context. In part, here it is,

    I can see, you are into tracking successful co-ethnics. Jews do it (and at the same accuse gentiles for anti-semitism for Jew counting) though they can’t complain for a lack of success and accomplishment unlike Hindoos.

    I think the Forbes 400 list may provide a good starting point on US wealth. While Jews are overrepresented, prominently in the U.S., there are a fair number of Indians worldwide, e.g. Lackshmi Mittal and Mukesh Ambani.

  97. Eagle Eye says:
    @Thomm
    Interesting wrinkle :

    Damore's lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    She stands to make at least 30% of the settlement (perhaps more) as it is certainly pro-bono.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Half Canadian, @utu, @Alden, @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    Google has EXTENSIVE information about the private lives and circumstances of every single person in the developed world.

    Even if you don’t yourself offer up information to Google through Google searches, Gmail, Android etc., people around you do, including very useful information ABOUT YOU.

    Will Damore’s lawyers really risk going up against the all-knowing, all-vicious, CIA-backed Google-monster?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Eagle Eye

    >Google has EXTENSIVE information about the private lives and circumstances of every single person in the developed world.

    I've made my peace with this fact, am aware that everything ugly about me is going to eventually come out, and I'll deal with it, answer for it when the times comes. There's no point in dwelling upon it now. A right man is right, whatever ad hominems you throw at him prove nothing: and people are waking up to that fact.

  98. @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Indeed. These people are on another planet.

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @ben tillman


    Indeed. These people are on another planet.
     
    I wish. No, the problem is that not only are we stuck sharing this planet with these people, it's that they and those like them pretty much rule our portion of it, with a grasp on power so strong that nothing short of (irreversible) civilizational collapse can dislodge them.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  99. @Yan Shen
    @Thomm


    Ironically, only a non-white female could have taken this on. Fortunately, there is one, however shark-like, who wants money more than virtue-signalling.
     
    Really? Have you ever met a woman who wouldn't do almost anything for the right amount of money?

    Replies: @Thomm, @Bill jones, @bomag

    woman who wouldn’t do almost anything for… money

    Women (American women, anyway) are very much into volunteer organizations.

  100. @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen


    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.
     
    Those Asian kids were likely East Asians. The Chinese, especially when they have English language skills, whether in Asia or here as immigrants, tend to adopt an Anglo-Saxon name for everyday use.

    Harmeet Dhillon is the child of Sikh immigrants from India, who tend not use Angl0-Saxon Christian nicknames here in America. Harmeet is a Punjabi language name.

    A former colleague and friend who is Indian, explained that even Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal's first names are actually commonplace old-time nicknames in the Punjabi language which just happen to sound identical to names common in America. He also explained that Hindu Indian immigrants sometimes pick Sanskrit based names like Neel and Raj, which sound like "Neil" and short for "Roger." But oftentimes, he said, they just go for the straight Sanskrit names.

    But based on that, it seems to me that Dinesh D'Souza didn't adopt an Anglo name, as his last name is Portuguese, and thus European.

    Commenter Twinkie has often commented that data shows that Indian immigrants to America are resistant to cultural and social assimilation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen

    I assume D’Souza is a Portuguese name and that his ancestors come from Goa, which was a Portuguese colony in India for 450 years until it was annexed by India in 1961. Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans – the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    And from a cultural standpoint, it was probably even more successful than the Hong Kong colonization-which is saying something given how Hong Kong remains very "British" in a lot of ways. But Goa-and the other overseas territories-were always viewed from Lisbon as integrally part of Portugal. There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away. Unlike the Angolans, most Goans generally had full rights as Portuguese citizens. Salazar's cabinet and legislature had plenty of Goans in their ranks, as did universities in Portugal.

    To this day, Goa is very visibly different from the rest of India. It is even seen in the food: Vindaloo is traditionally made with pork and wine, two ingredients that would be very uncommon in the rest of India.

    Replies: @Numinous

    , @Numinous
    @Jack D


    Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans – the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.
     
    Goa is no different from its neighboring regions. It's in southern India, which is generally doing a lot better than the Indian average. No thanks to colonialism here, which impoverished Goa as much as the other parts of India (we have the British to thank for that.)

    If you jokers love Portuguese colonialism so much, why don't you invite them to rule over you, eh?

    Replies: @grapesoda, @grapesoda

  101. @The Alarmist
    White males are not a protected class of persons; Conservatives are most certainly not, regardless of race or gender. This case is going nowhere. In fact, he will probably be forced to cover Google's legal costs.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Kevin C.

    You have to be a “protected class” to have rights? Is this that Eric Holder thing about how white people cannot be victims of racism? Has there been no movement on that at all with Sessions in?

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @J.Ross

    Sessions is far too busy with his anti-weed jihad to address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Kevin C.

    , @Alden
    @J.Ross

    It’s not Eric Holder it goes back to the 1968 affirmative action law. It was part of the findings in the Griggs case in the early 1970s.

    Whites have been the only unprotected class since 1968. The United States Civil Commision long ago ruled that the 14th amendment does not apply to Whites.

    You won’t get your 14th amendment rights back until you reach 65 or become disabled, gay or transgender.

  102. @Eagle Eye
    @Thomm

    Google has EXTENSIVE information about the private lives and circumstances of every single person in the developed world.

    Even if you don't yourself offer up information to Google through Google searches, Gmail, Android etc., people around you do, including very useful information ABOUT YOU.

    Will Damore's lawyers really risk going up against the all-knowing, all-vicious, CIA-backed Google-monster?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Google has EXTENSIVE information about the private lives and circumstances of every single person in the developed world.

    I’ve made my peace with this fact, am aware that everything ugly about me is going to eventually come out, and I’ll deal with it, answer for it when the times comes. There’s no point in dwelling upon it now. A right man is right, whatever ad hominems you throw at him prove nothing: and people are waking up to that fact.

  103. Vox Day has a funny post about a Googler’s delusions of persecution:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/01/mountain-view-quakes-with-fear.html

    Evidently Googlers cower in fear of being targeted for termination by alt-right hit squads.

  104. @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    I assume D'Souza is a Portuguese name and that his ancestors come from Goa, which was a Portuguese colony in India for 450 years until it was annexed by India in 1961. Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans - the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Numinous

    And from a cultural standpoint, it was probably even more successful than the Hong Kong colonization-which is saying something given how Hong Kong remains very “British” in a lot of ways. But Goa-and the other overseas territories-were always viewed from Lisbon as integrally part of Portugal. There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away. Unlike the Angolans, most Goans generally had full rights as Portuguese citizens. Salazar’s cabinet and legislature had plenty of Goans in their ranks, as did universities in Portugal.

    To this day, Goa is very visibly different from the rest of India. It is even seen in the food: Vindaloo is traditionally made with pork and wine, two ingredients that would be very uncommon in the rest of India.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    @nebulafox


    There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away.
     
    You are nuts. There was a long-running secession movement, somewhat low-key but nonetheless present. Indian invasion, followed by many appeals (ignored by Lisbon) starting from '47, was just the final act in a long-running saga. The locals in Goa are related to their neighbors, the Marathas, and speak a dialect of the Marathi language. Marathas have been among the most nationalist of Indians; it's the place where Hindu nationalism was born and still thrives. It's no wonder that the forces of Hindu nationalism are largely in control of Goa today.

    Someone mentioned in another thread how Steven Pinker pointed to political correctness in the mainstream media as pushing intelligence people to the alt-right. With the amount of fantasy and misinformation swirling in alt-right circles like these, I think a reverse exodus isn't too far off.

    Replies: @CCG

  105. @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    Twitter thread with some gems:

  106. @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    That doc shows some-
    Crazy goings on at google. I know that Chinese and Indian tech companies don’t have such hyper-PC idiots working for them and terrorizing the productive workers. I agree that google is just coasting via its billions in ad revenue. They have a lock on this that has lead to internal rot.

  107. @Anonymous
    @AndrewR


    The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved.
     
    Adding to the dismay here is the fact that this is what our enemies want. We try to be better than that.

    Replies: @L Woods

    How’s that working out for you (us)?

  108. @J.Ross
    @The Alarmist

    You have to be a "protected class" to have rights? Is this that Eric Holder thing about how white people cannot be victims of racism? Has there been no movement on that at all with Sessions in?

    Replies: @L Woods, @Alden

    Sessions is far too busy with his anti-weed jihad to address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @L Woods

    The weed jihad that he started a week ago. Okay.
    I think this will be a function of the two competing understandings of law currently dividing our house. A real judge will recognize discrimination on the basis of something that had no bearing on programming software. An Obama appointee will throw it out because whites cannot be victims.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @L Woods

    Nixon, Regean and every Republican president all made discrimination against the people that elected them worse.

    In fact, Nixon pretty much invented it.

    , @Kevin C.
    @L Woods

    Well, there's also the problem that if Sessions actually tried to "address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration," those pervasive institutions, the proverbial "Swamp," will destroy him. Because whatever it says on paper about the structure of government and who answers to whom, in reality they are more powerful than the AG, more powerful than Trump, more powerful than Congress; "The Swamp" are the true rulers of America, and all real power is theirs; their will is law, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do to dislodge them.

  109. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe I'm out of touch, but scanning through the James Damore file, what leaps out at me most is the question, "Does anyone actually work for a living anymore?"

    Vast amounts of time at the company supposedly on the cutting edge of productiveness, Google, are spent in what appear to be nonstop poz yakfests: publishing political manifestos and memes, lobbying for peer bonuses, discussing the proper way of announcing one's polygamy, lecturing on life as a "dragonkin plural being", etc.

    All strength and power to Mr. Damore, but looking over his lengthy memo, I can't help but think that when I worked in corporate America, I wouldn't have had time to compose such a thing, and had anyone reporting to me done so, I would have had ... reservations about their time management, even if I agreed with what they wrote.

    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid? Longevity despite imbecility was alleged about the even more rich USA, and we all know where that is heading...

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it's online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s? From what I can tell, all of its side hustles, spin-offs, "moon-shots", etc. are money losers. Just a lot of heat/noise/flash to obscure that it still relies financially on that billion-dollar river of nickels that is AdWords.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Samuel Skinner, @Dmitry

    Is Google so rich that it can afford to be endlessly, epically stupid?

    Apparently so.

    BTW, does Google actually make money from anything beyond it’s online advertising monopoly that dates from the 1990s?

    It’s not like they need to. They generate enormous and continually growing advertising revenues, from customers around the world. And with comparatively few expenses..

  110. Anonymous [AKA "qwrqew"] says:

    “Asian and white male engineers”

    Could you – all of you, everywhere – please stop doing this?

    It’s Asian and European, or yellow and white.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Anonymous


    It’s Asian and European, or yellow and white.
     
    Epic fail. Some Asians are brown. Not just South Asians, but some in Southeast Asia (Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos).

    Apparently you didn't retain anything in the third grade.

    Replies: @Alden

  111. @Anonymous
    "Asian and white male engineers"

    Could you - all of you, everywhere - please stop doing this?

    It's Asian and European, or yellow and white.

    Replies: @Thomm

    It’s Asian and European, or yellow and white.

    Epic fail. Some Asians are brown. Not just South Asians, but some in Southeast Asia (Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos).

    Apparently you didn’t retain anything in the third grade.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Thomm

    Malays, Indonesians, Cambodians ands Phillipinos don’t work in American tech. It’s the light skinned Chinese who work in American tech.

    We have lots of Phillipino Drs and nurses .

    Replies: @Thomm

  112. @1661er
    @J.Ross

    Depends on which trades. In my local area, the roofing trade is dominate by Mexican/Central American Mayans. Even regular mestizo Hispanics are being squeeze out. From a HBD perspective, they are ideally build for the task as a group. It's mesmerizing to see a group of them, working as a team get the job done in two days from start to finish.

    If you put same number of legacy Americans(white or black) on typical residential roof, you will likely collapse the roof joist from their weight. There is a reason why US/Europe used to use child labor for chimney sweeps.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @Expletive Deleted

    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
    Every time a hurricane strikes, I’m quite distressed by the carnage wrought on these expensive shanty-towns. For instance, the cottage I’m in right now was intended to house the poorest class of farm servant, yet has solid masonry walls two feet thick, tiny windows, and a Welsh slate roof, each slate at least 1/4″ thick (no eaves gap). Pit-sawn rafter pairs, i.e. half a tree, close-boarded. I clamber about on it without a second thought despite its age (sometime around 1850).
    I suppose our weather is just reliably worse than yours, without the extreme interruptions. And storm-cellars were an impossibility, they’d simply fill with water every winter, so best to have it above ground level?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Expletive Deleted


    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
     
    I've never understood why people think the USA is the wealthiest nation on earth, several decades after it was last even arguable. (In aggregate, just barely, but that is more a function of size than wealth. Sorry that even needs to be explained.) The USA is headed downward, and soon we'll be Brasil but without the hot chicks. There are several there--I've visited.
    , @J.Ross
    @Expletive Deleted

    I have often thought about this, it's probably meanspiritedness (not wanting to pay necessary expenses until you have to, plus repair costs). The cheapness of American homes tracks with social and geographical mobility. But we really ought to see completely different styles in the different parts of the country and we don't. In Michigan they should be as you describe or like a Constructivist concrete igloo with central geothermal and foundations accommodating for water from below as well. Instead we have huge heat-leaking windows and swampy basements, and our plan for fixing that has to do with putting gas in the windows.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Expletive Deleted


    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
     
    I never used to think about it that way, but I have, ever since a colleague visiting from a third-world country office asked me the same question-he was horrified that people would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to live in dwellings that he viewed as akin to being flimsy shanties. He wasn't familiar with carpentry and box-frame home construction, of course, but he did have something of a point.

    In Europe, most of the old housing stock of people with any means was built to last for centuries, with brick and mortar or stone being the norm and half-timbering being less common. Even, today, with modern architectural styles, wood and plasterboard homes are the exception and not the rule.

    The other thing that must be strikings about housing here, to visitor, is the utter conformity in styles across the continental United States. You could drop someone blindfolded in an American suburb, and he'd be hard pressed to tell (at least from the style of the homes) whether he was in Idaho or Maryland. Some of it is, of course, post-War developer initiated, but home-buyers are remarkably narrow in their tastes and expectations, IMHO.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    @1661er

    I've never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
    Every time a hurricane strikes, I'm quite distressed by the carnage wrought on these expensive shanty-towns. For instance, the cottage I'm in right now was intended to house the poorest class of farm servant, yet has solid masonry walls two feet thick, tiny windows, and a Welsh slate roof, each slate at least 1/4" thick (no eaves gap). Pit-sawn rafter pairs, i.e. half a tree, close-boarded. I clamber about on it without a second thought despite its age (sometime around 1850).
    I suppose our weather is just reliably worse than yours, without the extreme interruptions. And storm-cellars were an impossibility, they'd simply fill with water every winter, so best to have it above ground level?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross, @PiltdownMan

    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.

    I’ve never understood why people think the USA is the wealthiest nation on earth, several decades after it was last even arguable. (In aggregate, just barely, but that is more a function of size than wealth. Sorry that even needs to be explained.) The USA is headed downward, and soon we’ll be Brasil but without the hot chicks. There are several there–I’ve visited.

    • Agree: Alden
  114. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @larry lurker
    I like this one, on page 43:

    Google Was Unable to Respond to Logical Arguments

    166. On November 15, 2015, a Google employee complained to Google HR regarding a highly offensive post from an employee in the Developer Product Group. The post stated:

    “If you put a group of 40-something white men in a room together and tell them to come up with something creative or innovative, they’ll come back and tell you how enjoyable the process was, and how they want to do it again, but they come up with fuck-­all as a result!” (emphasis added.)
     
    The Google employee stated that this statement was a violation of the Google Code of
    Conduct, and was creating a hostile workplace environment as it targeted Caucasians, males, and individuals over the age of 40.

    Google HR responded: “Given the context of the post and that [the employee’s] main point is to highlight that it is helpful to have diverse perspectives, it doesn’t appear that the post to [sic] violates our policies.”

    Perplexed, the Google employee responded to Google HR by replacing the term “40-something white men” with “women” and asked how that was not a breach of conduct. Google failed to respond.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This is a good example of why this may indeed be fun.

    But the other point here about Google having damaging info on everyone including your lawyers is also valid. It’s not like they won’t play dirty, and along with their friends in government they have the means as well as the taste for that.

  115. @AndrewR
    @27 year old

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    For a long time, I have made a policy of not reading your comments due to your tendency to be inflammatory and dishonest.

    I broke that policy today and I regret it.

    He obviously meant "a juror will want to see..." but you dishonestly chose to focus on the colloquial phrasing he used.

    And more to the point, any honest, decent juror would require strong evidence in order to rule in the plaintiff's favor, even if the ruling would be beneficial to the juror personally or to one of the groups to which the juror belongs. The extent to which our society is great is a function of the importance we place on evidence and facts over simple tribalism. You want our society to be a simple racial spoils system with kangaroo courts that make rulings based on the race of the people involved. That is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself, assuming you even have that capacity.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Alec Leamas, @27 year old

    The White concept of justice based on facts & evidence is not a suicide pact.

    Whether I want it or not, we’re living in a racial spoils system with kangaroo court rulings based on the race of the people involved. It’s who-whom all the way down. Whites can’t keep standing on principle in this environment. It’s insane.

    • Agree: epochehusserl
    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @27 year old

    standing on your principals when others throw dirt in your face, kick you in the nuts and rape your loved ones is not the way to go.

    , @Kevin C.
    @27 year old


    Whites can’t keep standing on principle in this environment. It’s insane.
     
    But we will. It's who we are. Because Hajnal Line and outbreeding, it's in our blood. White people simply aren't capable of the kind of tribalism one needs to thrive in the racial spoils system — it's part of what made us special and so successful in the past, but is now quite maladaptive. And there's very little that can fight against this sort of nature — the only thing I can think of is a strong religion with tight-knit "insular" communities (c.f. the Amish). And that is rather in short supply these days.

    Replies: @Ivy

  116. @L Woods
    @J.Ross

    Sessions is far too busy with his anti-weed jihad to address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Kevin C.

    The weed jihad that he started a week ago. Okay.
    I think this will be a function of the two competing understandings of law currently dividing our house. A real judge will recognize discrimination on the basis of something that had no bearing on programming software. An Obama appointee will throw it out because whites cannot be victims.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @J.Ross

    Eisenhower, Nixon Bush and Regean judges ruled against Whites all the time.

  117. @Expletive Deleted
    @1661er

    I've never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
    Every time a hurricane strikes, I'm quite distressed by the carnage wrought on these expensive shanty-towns. For instance, the cottage I'm in right now was intended to house the poorest class of farm servant, yet has solid masonry walls two feet thick, tiny windows, and a Welsh slate roof, each slate at least 1/4" thick (no eaves gap). Pit-sawn rafter pairs, i.e. half a tree, close-boarded. I clamber about on it without a second thought despite its age (sometime around 1850).
    I suppose our weather is just reliably worse than yours, without the extreme interruptions. And storm-cellars were an impossibility, they'd simply fill with water every winter, so best to have it above ground level?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross, @PiltdownMan

    I have often thought about this, it’s probably meanspiritedness (not wanting to pay necessary expenses until you have to, plus repair costs). The cheapness of American homes tracks with social and geographical mobility. But we really ought to see completely different styles in the different parts of the country and we don’t. In Michigan they should be as you describe or like a Constructivist concrete igloo with central geothermal and foundations accommodating for water from below as well. Instead we have huge heat-leaking windows and swampy basements, and our plan for fixing that has to do with putting gas in the windows.

  118. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Thomm


    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).
     
    Well, that explains the clumsy English and poor punctuation--among other things.

    Seriously, can't Google engineers--and their lawyers--afford proofreaders at least?

    I can remember a time when attorneys were reasonably careful about language.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Damore’s lawyer is Harmeet Dhillion, an Indian-American (2nd gen).

    Well, that explains the clumsy English and poor punctuation–among other things.

    Not really. Complaints like this are typically cobbled together by combining bits and pieces of disparate complaints in earlier cases that turned out well. Sometimes, the parts are not fully melded together. Obviously, Dhillion does not maintain a stable of Ivy League proof readers, but that is hardly a major issue.

    Notwithstanding such nitpicks, the complaint as a whole seems quite well researched and organized. It is understood that in a lawsuit of this nature, the precise contours of the claim will be successively refined and adapted in response to legal and factual challenges.

  119. @PiltdownMan
    @Dave Pinsen


    BTW, is the trend of immigrants giving their kids foreign first names a new one? Growing up, I remember all the Asian kids had common American first names, even if they also had Asian first names.
     
    Those Asian kids were likely East Asians. The Chinese, especially when they have English language skills, whether in Asia or here as immigrants, tend to adopt an Anglo-Saxon name for everyday use.

    Harmeet Dhillon is the child of Sikh immigrants from India, who tend not use Angl0-Saxon Christian nicknames here in America. Harmeet is a Punjabi language name.

    A former colleague and friend who is Indian, explained that even Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal's first names are actually commonplace old-time nicknames in the Punjabi language which just happen to sound identical to names common in America. He also explained that Hindu Indian immigrants sometimes pick Sanskrit based names like Neel and Raj, which sound like "Neil" and short for "Roger." But oftentimes, he said, they just go for the straight Sanskrit names.

    But based on that, it seems to me that Dinesh D'Souza didn't adopt an Anglo name, as his last name is Portuguese, and thus European.

    Commenter Twinkie has often commented that data shows that Indian immigrants to America are resistant to cultural and social assimilation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen

    Nikki Haley’s given first name is Nimrata, and Bobby Jindal’s is Piyush. What Jack said about D’Souza.

  120. @Thomm
    @utu

    No, you fool. The defendant is Sundar Pichai, who is also Indian. The lawyer would side with Google if they retained her first (and pay her more). She has no ideology other than getting fees.

    a) I only care about opposing feminism.
    b) I am a white guy who simply hates feminism (and race-nationalism, which is a form of feminism).

    Your primitive brain can only see things in terms of race, and you assume everyone is like that. In other words, you are more like a black than a successful white.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Moses, @utu

    So you have something against white women, right? As a brown man how did you like this movie:

    I’m Tired of Watching Brown Men Fall in Love With White Women Onscreen
    https://themuse.jezebel.com/i-m-tired-of-watching-brown-men-fall-in-love-with-white-1796522590

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @utu

    Hey, moron, I am a white guy.

    I love white women. Especially since they totally cut off WN losers from reproduction and romance (hence doing their genetic duty for our race).

    Replies: @Anonymous

  121. Number 7 refers to illegal hiring quotas. Quotas are not illegal. They are the law of the land. Except when the city bus drivers, police dispatchers and other city employees are 80 percent black in a city with a 14 percent black population. Then over representation is just fine.

    Numbers 3,4 & 5 are about a hostile work environment, not racial discrimination.

    Free speech only applies to government restrictions on speech. Businesses can restrict speech as much as they want.

    Does anyone know if this is a state or federal court lawsuit? I’m too lazy to look it up.

    Google has the money and ultra liberalism to fight this thing forever. I hope he and his other plaintiffs get enough money to retire and live happily ever after.

  122. @Thomm
    @Anonymous


    It’s Asian and European, or yellow and white.
     
    Epic fail. Some Asians are brown. Not just South Asians, but some in Southeast Asia (Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos).

    Apparently you didn't retain anything in the third grade.

    Replies: @Alden

    Malays, Indonesians, Cambodians ands Phillipinos don’t work in American tech. It’s the light skinned Chinese who work in American tech.

    We have lots of Phillipino Drs and nurses .

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Alden


    It’s the light skinned Chinese who work in American tech.
     
    er... brown Indians are extremely common in tech. That includes the current CEOs of Microsoft and Google.

    Get a clue..

    Then again, as a woman, you have even less chance of being knowledgeable about tech than a low-IQ WN male.
  123. @J.Ross
    @The Alarmist

    You have to be a "protected class" to have rights? Is this that Eric Holder thing about how white people cannot be victims of racism? Has there been no movement on that at all with Sessions in?

    Replies: @L Woods, @Alden

    It’s not Eric Holder it goes back to the 1968 affirmative action law. It was part of the findings in the Griggs case in the early 1970s.

    Whites have been the only unprotected class since 1968. The United States Civil Commision long ago ruled that the 14th amendment does not apply to Whites.

    You won’t get your 14th amendment rights back until you reach 65 or become disabled, gay or transgender.

  124. @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    Try being a White working with blacks.

  125. @AndrewR
    @Almost Missouri

    I am not a great deal older than 27 (or whatever age he is in 2018), and I do recognize that the left doesn't play fair. It's who/whom all the way down with them. I understand that beating a dishonorable opponent can require acting dishonorably. But 27YO seems to be completely unscrupulous. A good person feels bad when he has to do bad things. And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Kevin C.

    It is legal to discriminate against White males. It’s not just legal, it is mandated by numerous laws and court findings and enforced by numerous government agencies. Has been since 1968.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Alden


    It is legal to discriminate against White males. It’s not just legal, it is mandated by numerous laws and court findings and enforced by numerous government agencies. Has been since 1968.
     
    That's true, but judges are supposed to pretend it's not, and it's supposed to be done discreetly and deniably so as not to alarm the helots. What Google did is so flagrant that I can easily imagine a California court ruling against Google.
  126. @L Woods
    @J.Ross

    Sessions is far too busy with his anti-weed jihad to address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Kevin C.

    Nixon, Regean and every Republican president all made discrimination against the people that elected them worse.

    In fact, Nixon pretty much invented it.

  127. @Brabantian
    'Class action lawsuit' ... USA lawyers have a saying about these things, 'Bribed American judges, motherf-cker!'

    Google in court ... is like that scene early in 'Goodfellas' where the mafia kid's lawyer smiles his grin for the judge on the bench in front of him

    Google is the best friend the US bribe-taking judges have in the world

    If you know businesspeople or others, who have had the full 'experience' of the US court system, you learn that the US courts are nothing like portrayed in Hollywood movies or TV shows ... It is foolish to think that the rest of the government is corruptible but the judges are not in the game ... a game well-hidden by media and, well, by Google

    No company is more key to the US judge-lawyer bribery complex than Google ... the Google lawyers inviting and welcoming 'orders to Google' to hide the actions of their law firm friends

    Including the 'Google hyper-injunction', whereby Google itself, and the parties to the case, are all under gag order to not disclose that there is an order banning search results from Google

    Class action cases in general, go nowhere unless the Powers That Be see some interest in them going forward ... tho often indeed they run up many hundreds of thousands in legal bills - generously shared with the judges - before the lawyers say, 'Case dismissed, motherf-cker!'

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    You are right. Class action law suits demanding that 4’10 80 pd Chinese women become firemen, or class action lawsuits demanding that illiterate blacks with criminal records become police officers always win.

    But a class action law suit demanding equal treatment for White mean will
    always be dismissed at the first motions hearing.

    Only thing I dispute in your post is that the judges are bribed. They don’t have to be bribed. They, like the rest of the elites want Whites exterminated.

    That teeny tiny Chinese female firefighter? Because she couldn’t lift and carry the hoses or dive the truck, she was rapidly promoted to a Captain with a well paid desk job.

  128. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "4.Google’s open hostility for conservative thought is paired with invidious discrimination on the basis of race and gender, barred by law. Google’s management goes to extreme and illegal—lengths to encourage hiring managers to take protected categories such as race and/or gender into consideration as determinative hiring factors,to the detriment of Caucasian and malee mployees and potential employee sat Google."

    [1] Why is this English so substandard? The lack of a space after the period and after the comma, the misuse of a pair of dashes, and the incorrect word separation in the last few words, might be excused as some software glitch in copying text from the .pdf file, where the spacing is correct. But in the first sentence, why the dangling "barred by law"? Shouldn't there be a "which is" before this phrase? Also, the usual preposition with "hostility" is hostility "to" something (meaning "against"), not hostility "for" something (meaning "in favor of"). Was this document written by a non-native speaker of English?

    [2] If I were a judge or juror in this case, I'd want to see some specific evidence of the claim that the defendants were "ostracized, belittled, and punished". But maybe that's what discovery is for.

    Replies: @Fabian Forge, @27 year old, @ben tillman, @Alden

    As far as I can see, it’s standard.

  129. @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    I assume D'Souza is a Portuguese name and that his ancestors come from Goa, which was a Portuguese colony in India for 450 years until it was annexed by India in 1961. Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans - the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Numinous

    Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans – the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.

    Goa is no different from its neighboring regions. It’s in southern India, which is generally doing a lot better than the Indian average. No thanks to colonialism here, which impoverished Goa as much as the other parts of India (we have the British to thank for that.)

    If you jokers love Portuguese colonialism so much, why don’t you invite them to rule over you, eh?

    • Replies: @grapesoda
    @Numinous

    Numinous is a good example of the quality of workers India is sending over. His education is so poor that he has never even learned the basics of critical thinking or making qualitative comparisons.

    I was in Delhi last year. Why is the entire 1000 square KM area around Delhi covered in smoke for much of the year? It's so thick you can barely see in front of you some days. Rates of lung cancer are skyrocketing. Quantitatively the worst air quality in the world, right up there with China. And you think you can compare India to the US? Massive FAIL. Fix your own country first loser.

    And I actually kind of like India but NOT people like Numinous. I like humble Indian villagers and office workers who only speak Hindi more than people like Numinous. He actually is a disgrace to the sacred traditions of India, combining the worst of both worlds... Indian standards of education and quality with American materialism. Americans who have lived there for generations have developed adaptations to the materialism in the form of shamanism or what have you, but Indians who arrive have no immunity and become WAY WORSE, also giving up their own sacred traditions for a 50K a year job that we laugh at. SAD!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @grapesoda
    @Numinous

    Also why is every city in India completely covered with garbage? Do you people not have any pride in your country at all? Is that why Indians are so desperate to come to the United States, to get away from all the garbage? Panjim is actually much nicer than most other cities in India, at least in the north.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  130. @The Man From K Street
    @Yan Shen


    she was hardly the best spokesperson for the cause.
     
    And Alan Bakke was hardly a stellar applicant to the med school at UC Davis.

    But his career sure benefited society better than that of the minority student who was chosen over him. Look that one up.

    Replies: @Yan Shen, @Alden

    Don’t remember his name but the unqualified black who took Bakke’s place ended up running an unlicensed lipo suction clinic and killing at least one patient.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden

    I well remember working at my first part time job (I was working for JC Penney's in the long since shuttered mall near Lambert Field in St. Louis) and seeing blacks with "Fight Bakke" buttons on. Even then I knew that Bakke was in the right, and in discussions with a couple of the blacks about it I realized they were irrational and ignorant of the principles of the case and that they could get dangerous if provoked. It took another decade and a half, though, before the light of racial realism really went on inside my head. Looking back it was an important data point.

  131. @Guy de Champlagne
    This should have been Trump's second big issue after immigration. He actually explicitly cucked out on that issue really early on by stating that he supported affirmative action.

    Replies: @Alden

    I remember that.

  132. @27 year old
    @AndrewR

    The White concept of justice based on facts & evidence is not a suicide pact.

    Whether I want it or not, we're living in a racial spoils system with kangaroo court rulings based on the race of the people involved. It's who-whom all the way down. Whites can't keep standing on principle in this environment. It's insane.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Kevin C.

    standing on your principals when others throw dirt in your face, kick you in the nuts and rape your loved ones is not the way to go.

  133. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    And from a cultural standpoint, it was probably even more successful than the Hong Kong colonization-which is saying something given how Hong Kong remains very "British" in a lot of ways. But Goa-and the other overseas territories-were always viewed from Lisbon as integrally part of Portugal. There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away. Unlike the Angolans, most Goans generally had full rights as Portuguese citizens. Salazar's cabinet and legislature had plenty of Goans in their ranks, as did universities in Portugal.

    To this day, Goa is very visibly different from the rest of India. It is even seen in the food: Vindaloo is traditionally made with pork and wine, two ingredients that would be very uncommon in the rest of India.

    Replies: @Numinous

    There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away.

    You are nuts. There was a long-running secession movement, somewhat low-key but nonetheless present. Indian invasion, followed by many appeals (ignored by Lisbon) starting from ’47, was just the final act in a long-running saga. The locals in Goa are related to their neighbors, the Marathas, and speak a dialect of the Marathi language. Marathas have been among the most nationalist of Indians; it’s the place where Hindu nationalism was born and still thrives. It’s no wonder that the forces of Hindu nationalism are largely in control of Goa today.

    Someone mentioned in another thread how Steven Pinker pointed to political correctness in the mainstream media as pushing intelligence people to the alt-right. With the amount of fantasy and misinformation swirling in alt-right circles like these, I think a reverse exodus isn’t too far off.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Numinous

    The only crazy person here is you. The secession movement in Goa was basically restricted to a minority of low-caste Hindus (wanted Reservations), Communists (anti-Salazar) and immigrants from British India (wanted to import relatives). And this was in spite of a serious propaganda campaign from New Delhi. Most Goans who visited independent India found it disgusting on account of the poverty, crime, bureaucracy and corruption.

    Goans are not related to the Marathas, that's post-1961 revisionist bullshit. Read the book 'Conquerors' by Roger Crowley to know the racial origins of the 95% Catholic 'Velhas Conquistas'. The Marathas are despised by native Goans because they destroyed many churches when they tried to conquer Goa (e.g. the parish church of Santo Estêvão was burned down twice by the Marathas and was rebuilt both times by the native Goans). After 1961, the Indian government even tried to rename the city of Vasco da Gama as Sambhaji Nagar but failed.

    Konkani is also not a Marathi dialect - that was more Indian bullshit to impose Marathi language in Goan schools and Goan government offices so they'd have an excuse to not hire native Goans and instead flood Goa with Maharashtrian Hindu immigrants to change Goa's demographics. The rise of the BJP was also due to all the mass-immigration from the rest of India, especially the BIMARU crowd that have been arriving non-stop by train since the 1990s.

  134. @Numinous
    @Jack D


    Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans – the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.
     
    Goa is no different from its neighboring regions. It's in southern India, which is generally doing a lot better than the Indian average. No thanks to colonialism here, which impoverished Goa as much as the other parts of India (we have the British to thank for that.)

    If you jokers love Portuguese colonialism so much, why don't you invite them to rule over you, eh?

    Replies: @grapesoda, @grapesoda

    Numinous is a good example of the quality of workers India is sending over. His education is so poor that he has never even learned the basics of critical thinking or making qualitative comparisons.

    I was in Delhi last year. Why is the entire 1000 square KM area around Delhi covered in smoke for much of the year? It’s so thick you can barely see in front of you some days. Rates of lung cancer are skyrocketing. Quantitatively the worst air quality in the world, right up there with China. And you think you can compare India to the US? Massive FAIL. Fix your own country first loser.

    And I actually kind of like India but NOT people like Numinous. I like humble Indian villagers and office workers who only speak Hindi more than people like Numinous. He actually is a disgrace to the sacred traditions of India, combining the worst of both worlds… Indian standards of education and quality with American materialism. Americans who have lived there for generations have developed adaptations to the materialism in the form of shamanism or what have you, but Indians who arrive have no immunity and become WAY WORSE, also giving up their own sacred traditions for a 50K a year job that we laugh at. SAD!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @grapesoda

    A lot of Asians don't do critical thinking at all. Their learning is memorization and drilling, period. Russia is Asian for these purposes. Argument is pretty much the worst thing ever to an Asian. The concept of arguing "well" can't exist in a totalitarian atmosphere where power justifies all -- you are persuasive if you are powerful or wealthy. You hear this a lot from IT and I've seen it a couple of times at university: flawless grasp of the material, no ability at all to do stuff with it, like the episode in Brave New World where the kid can recite paragraphs but not explain them.

  135. @Numinous
    @Jack D


    Like Hong Kong, colonialism was good for Goans – the Goan GDP per capita is 2.5x higher than the Indian average.
     
    Goa is no different from its neighboring regions. It's in southern India, which is generally doing a lot better than the Indian average. No thanks to colonialism here, which impoverished Goa as much as the other parts of India (we have the British to thank for that.)

    If you jokers love Portuguese colonialism so much, why don't you invite them to rule over you, eh?

    Replies: @grapesoda, @grapesoda

    Also why is every city in India completely covered with garbage? Do you people not have any pride in your country at all? Is that why Indians are so desperate to come to the United States, to get away from all the garbage? Panjim is actually much nicer than most other cities in India, at least in the north.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @grapesoda

    Almost all of the nonwhite world works on the principle espoused by Brooks and Reiner: "let 'em all go to hell, except cave twenty-four!"
    A lot of stuff we take for granted came together in or after the strong-institution weak-government atmosphere of the middle ages, and then was codified (and not necessarily widely accepted) by Victorians. Some of this stuff has no equivalent and never had a chance to take root. Asians are used to maximally strong governments that directly control what institutions exist, it's always been like that, and there are plenty of videos attesting to their empathy.
    There is a certain developing world home aesthetic: spare concrete outside, palatial interior. Why would a stroke of paint be spared for the outside? If anything, you want to discourage the idea that stealable goods lie within.

  136. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @The Man From K Street

    Don’t remember his name but the unqualified black who took Bakke’s place ended up running an unlicensed lipo suction clinic and killing at least one patient.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I well remember working at my first part time job (I was working for JC Penney’s in the long since shuttered mall near Lambert Field in St. Louis) and seeing blacks with “Fight Bakke” buttons on. Even then I knew that Bakke was in the right, and in discussions with a couple of the blacks about it I realized they were irrational and ignorant of the principles of the case and that they could get dangerous if provoked. It took another decade and a half, though, before the light of racial realism really went on inside my head. Looking back it was an important data point.

  137. @grapesoda
    @Numinous

    Also why is every city in India completely covered with garbage? Do you people not have any pride in your country at all? Is that why Indians are so desperate to come to the United States, to get away from all the garbage? Panjim is actually much nicer than most other cities in India, at least in the north.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Almost all of the nonwhite world works on the principle espoused by Brooks and Reiner: “let ’em all go to hell, except cave twenty-four!”
    A lot of stuff we take for granted came together in or after the strong-institution weak-government atmosphere of the middle ages, and then was codified (and not necessarily widely accepted) by Victorians. Some of this stuff has no equivalent and never had a chance to take root. Asians are used to maximally strong governments that directly control what institutions exist, it’s always been like that, and there are plenty of videos attesting to their empathy.
    There is a certain developing world home aesthetic: spare concrete outside, palatial interior. Why would a stroke of paint be spared for the outside? If anything, you want to discourage the idea that stealable goods lie within.

  138. @utu
    @Thomm

    So you have something against white women, right? As a brown man how did you like this movie:

    I’m Tired of Watching Brown Men Fall in Love With White Women Onscreen
    https://themuse.jezebel.com/i-m-tired-of-watching-brown-men-fall-in-love-with-white-1796522590

    Replies: @Thomm

    Hey, moron, I am a white guy.

    I love white women. Especially since they totally cut off WN losers from reproduction and romance (hence doing their genetic duty for our race).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thomm

    You go gurrl! Anyone can be white on the Internet!

  139. Reading through the complaint and following threads from it, I get the impression that there are quite a lot of transgender employees there. Is that normal for Silicon Valley? I’m starting to get a sixth sense for it, a given name that is a little too something, glamorous or female-version-of-male, or so on, a suspect jaw line, a hairstyle or eyeglasses that don’t quite say “I grew up female,” writing that is somehow not female-sounding, full of rage and obscenity. Then I Google and find a YouTube video and hear the weird voice.

    I know that autogynephilic transgender women tend to congregate in male-oriented professions and hobbies. Is that it, that IT just has a lot of these people?

    Anoather thing from rereading the Damore memo, and then reading the complaint exhibits: It’s obvious that few of the people read the damn thing, 10 airy pages though it might be.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stephen Marle II

    "I get the impression that there are quite a lot of transgender employees there. Is that normal for Silicon Valley?"

    Seems like it. There's a correlation between being a high IQ Asperger's and becoming an ex-man.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  140. @Stephen Marle II
    Reading through the complaint and following threads from it, I get the impression that there are quite a lot of transgender employees there. Is that normal for Silicon Valley? I'm starting to get a sixth sense for it, a given name that is a little too something, glamorous or female-version-of-male, or so on, a suspect jaw line, a hairstyle or eyeglasses that don't quite say "I grew up female," writing that is somehow not female-sounding, full of rage and obscenity. Then I Google and find a YouTube video and hear the weird voice.

    I know that autogynephilic transgender women tend to congregate in male-oriented professions and hobbies. Is that it, that IT just has a lot of these people?

    Anoather thing from rereading the Damore memo, and then reading the complaint exhibits: It's obvious that few of the people read the damn thing, 10 airy pages though it might be.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “I get the impression that there are quite a lot of transgender employees there. Is that normal for Silicon Valley?”

    Seems like it. There’s a correlation between being a high IQ Asperger’s and becoming an ex-man.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe they finally conclude that it's the only way they can get close to a woman. The interesting question is why women find them so instinctively repellent, given their IQ/dominance.

  141. @J.Ross
    @L Woods

    The weed jihad that he started a week ago. Okay.
    I think this will be a function of the two competing understandings of law currently dividing our house. A real judge will recognize discrimination on the basis of something that had no bearing on programming software. An Obama appointee will throw it out because whites cannot be victims.

    Replies: @Alden

    Eisenhower, Nixon Bush and Regean judges ruled against Whites all the time.

  142. @Yan Shen
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.scribd.com/document/368689407/Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen&from_embed

    Document here. I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @Clyde, @Alden, @Alden

    I read most of it. I had to sit through something similar for years. The sessions weren’t we must hire more minorities. That was being done already. The sessions were mostly you are evil Whites.

    The session leaders were lefty Jewish women who pushed and pushed hoping we would respond and they would have a chance to make a complaint and get us fired. I just sat there and didn’t say a word.

    At least Damore was never brought up on racism charges because he refused to have sex with blacks.

    I read most of the pleading. Google can respond by claiming that Damore created and the other plaintiff created a hostile racist sexist environment for thousands of employees.

    Discrimination against White men is the law of the land.

    No wonder they work such long hours. With all those endless meetings and chat room discussions they need the extra time to get any work done.

    It seems to me that google was trying to tell fast track applicants for higher management positions that if the got the high level job they would have to deny promotion to White men.

    The military’s done that for years. If a Captain wants to become a Major he has to write bad reports about the Lieutenants under him to justify not re enlisting them.

    And do on up the chain of command until White male officers are eliminated.

    In California an employee can be fired at any time for no reason. The exception is race sex gay disabled …….. discrimination

    But Damore is a White man who by law can and should be discriminated against.

    I can’t wait too see google’s response.

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Alden

    Indeed, and none of this is going away. It's just going to keep getting worse… and worse… and worse… and worse…

  143. @Marty
    @Alden

    You really should stick to diet threads. In California a 50% contingency fee contract would be viewed by the Bar as presumptively abusive, and would be difficult to enforce against the client. (Attorneys almost never win fee disputes with clients). Even for crackerjack trial horses, which this desi is not, 1/3 of the net recovery would be standard. California employers face a host of checks on their discretion to fire at-will. Employers can retain much of that common-law freedom through careful use of employee manuals and such, but those measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories. So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is "white guys suck."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden, @Alden

    California contingency fees are 50 percent except for workman’s compensation for which the fee is 15 percent.

    Where did you get the idea that California fees are 30 percent? Ask any attorney or anyone who has ever been a plaintiff.

    A California employe can be fired for no reason whatsoever unless the person fired is fired because he she belongs to a protected class.

  144. @Marty
    @Alden

    You really should stick to diet threads. In California a 50% contingency fee contract would be viewed by the Bar as presumptively abusive, and would be difficult to enforce against the client. (Attorneys almost never win fee disputes with clients). Even for crackerjack trial horses, which this desi is not, 1/3 of the net recovery would be standard. California employers face a host of checks on their discretion to fire at-will. Employers can retain much of that common-law freedom through careful use of employee manuals and such, but those measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories. So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is "white guys suck."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden, @Alden

    You posted exactly what I posted The only protection California employees have against being fired is if they belong to a protected class.

    But in their drive to get rid of White employees, employers find themselves with an entire workforce of protected class minorites. Von’s has done that to itself. It’s saddled with lots of useless, disruptive black and brown felons they can’t get rid of simply because they are black and brown.

    And 50 percent contingency fee is standard in California Even the starving hard scrabble attorneys won’t file withour 50 percent fee agreement

    And since the settlement checks go directly to the attorney, not the client I don’t see how the client can refuse to pay the attorney his 50 percent fee.

    What happens, the client leaves the money sitting in the attorneys trust account and goes and hires another attorney to get the 50 percent fee reduced to 30 percent?

  145. @AndrewR
    @Almost Missouri

    I am not a great deal older than 27 (or whatever age he is in 2018), and I do recognize that the left doesn't play fair. It's who/whom all the way down with them. I understand that beating a dishonorable opponent can require acting dishonorably. But 27YO seems to be completely unscrupulous. A good person feels bad when he has to do bad things. And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Kevin C.

    It is not only that the Left long ago abandoned any honor standard. Even getting “honest, decent” jurors is pretty unusual nowadays, thank to labors of the Left.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-extended-crime-families-tax-fraud-and-hung-juries

    When neither your opponent nor the referee upholds honor, what’s the plan? Dying with dignity?

    [In case you are considering answering “yes” to that, please be assured that the Left are working to foreclose that too. C.f., Andrew Breitbart, RIP.]

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Almost Missouri

    You may get some consolation from the weekly updates at the following:

    https://patriotpost.us/humor

    Replies: @Numinous

  146. @The Alarmist
    White males are not a protected class of persons; Conservatives are most certainly not, regardless of race or gender. This case is going nowhere. In fact, he will probably be forced to cover Google's legal costs.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Kevin C.

    Indeed, it’s quite hopeless.

  147. @Stephen Marle II
    Dhillon seems like more of a publicity showboat than a crack litigator to me, and the complaint seems to bear that out. If her firm can at least get the class certified, then at that point it's common to bring in other firms with more experience and expertise, since a bigger payday becomes more likely. I hope it gets that far, since the discovery and the Google employee depositions should yield much entertainment, win or lose.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kevin C.

    I hope it gets that far, since the discovery and the Google employee depositions should yield much entertainment, win or lose.

    Because it’s all good, so long as we get “much entertainment”? Because who cares if Google keeps on being yet another Leftist juggernaut here to crush us, so long as theres “lulz” to be had?

    Where are your priorities, man?

  148. @Anonymous
    @Marty


    (T)hose measures do not avail in the case of recognized classes of discrimination. Intentionally hostile work environment against white males is one of those categories.
     
    Well yes, in theory.


    So far, there have been no reported cases involving workplaces where the reigning ethic is “white guys suck.”
     
    "Adjudicated" ≠ "Reported"

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    Well yes, in theory.

    Indeed, while in practice, some animals are more equal than others.

  149. @AndrewR
    @Almost Missouri

    I am not a great deal older than 27 (or whatever age he is in 2018), and I do recognize that the left doesn't play fair. It's who/whom all the way down with them. I understand that beating a dishonorable opponent can require acting dishonorably. But 27YO seems to be completely unscrupulous. A good person feels bad when he has to do bad things. And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Kevin C.

    And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.

    So what? According to our ruling elites, and thus our courts, acting discriminatorily towards white males, especially those who are insufficiently Leftist, is perfectly a-okay. And that’s almost certainly what’s going to happen. We’ll find plenty of evidence of Google being anti-white, anti-male, etc., and the court will dutifully rule — wrapped up in suitable sophistical verbiage — that none of it constitutes a “hostile work environment” because white, male, etc. aren’t “protected classes”, and therefore that discriminating against them is perfectly legal.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Kevin C.

    I almost punched my radio when I heard that one of the Crucified Bakeries had not merely had their appeal rejected but were ordered to pay the activists nearly two hundred thousand dollars for "emotional distress." Meaning: "yes, we really honestly just want you to go out of business."

  150. @ben tillman
    @Yan Shen


    I was stunned by some of the behavior that I read. Even though I work in tech as well, this document was truly eye opening.
     
    Indeed. These people are on another planet.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    Indeed. These people are on another planet.

    I wish. No, the problem is that not only are we stuck sharing this planet with these people, it’s that they and those like them pretty much rule our portion of it, with a grasp on power so strong that nothing short of (irreversible) civilizational collapse can dislodge them.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Kevin C.


    I wish. No, the problem is that not only are we stuck sharing this planet with these people, it’s that they and those like them pretty much rule our portion of it, with a grasp on power so strong that nothing short of (irreversible) civilizational collapse can dislodge them.
     
    No, it's worse than that, Kevin, and I bet you don't hear that often.

    The problem is not that we are stuck sharing the planet with them. It is that they will not tolerate sharing the planet with us.

    But life is glorious despite the shadow of impending doom.

    Dum spiro spero, and never surrender!
  151. @Anonymous
    @epochehusserl

    To the dismay of many Asians, standardized test scores are not (nor should they be, in any sane world) the sole metric used by American colleges in admissions determinations.

    Replies: @epochehusserl

    The point of my comment is that institutions should be forced to make it explicit that they are forcing different people to different standards. That is all. I dont think standardized test scores are the only thing that matters.

  152. @L Woods
    @J.Ross

    Sessions is far too busy with his anti-weed jihad to address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @Kevin C.

    Well, there’s also the problem that if Sessions actually tried to “address pervasive institutional discrimination against the people that elected his administration,” those pervasive institutions, the proverbial “Swamp,” will destroy him. Because whatever it says on paper about the structure of government and who answers to whom, in reality they are more powerful than the AG, more powerful than Trump, more powerful than Congress; “The Swamp” are the true rulers of America, and all real power is theirs; their will is law, and there’s nothing, nothing, nothing we can do to dislodge them.

  153. @27 year old
    @AndrewR

    The White concept of justice based on facts & evidence is not a suicide pact.

    Whether I want it or not, we're living in a racial spoils system with kangaroo court rulings based on the race of the people involved. It's who-whom all the way down. Whites can't keep standing on principle in this environment. It's insane.

    Replies: @epochehusserl, @Kevin C.

    Whites can’t keep standing on principle in this environment. It’s insane.

    But we will. It’s who we are. Because Hajnal Line and outbreeding, it’s in our blood. White people simply aren’t capable of the kind of tribalism one needs to thrive in the racial spoils system — it’s part of what made us special and so successful in the past, but is now quite maladaptive. And there’s very little that can fight against this sort of nature — the only thing I can think of is a strong religion with tight-knit “insular” communities (c.f. the Amish). And that is rather in short supply these days.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Kevin C.

    Racial spoils system = r>K , = entropy.
    Fade to black.
    Meanwhile, the spirit of the Founding Fathers lives on.

  154. @Alden
    @Yan Shen

    I read most of it. I had to sit through something similar for years. The sessions weren’t we must hire more minorities. That was being done already. The sessions were mostly you are evil Whites.

    The session leaders were lefty Jewish women who pushed and pushed hoping we would respond and they would have a chance to make a complaint and get us fired. I just sat there and didn’t say a word.

    At least Damore was never brought up on racism charges because he refused to have sex with blacks.

    I read most of the pleading. Google can respond by claiming that Damore created and the other plaintiff created a hostile racist sexist environment for thousands of employees.

    Discrimination against White men is the law of the land.

    No wonder they work such long hours. With all those endless meetings and chat room discussions they need the extra time to get any work done.

    It seems to me that google was trying to tell fast track applicants for higher management positions that if the got the high level job they would have to deny promotion to White men.

    The military’s done that for years. If a Captain wants to become a Major he has to write bad reports about the Lieutenants under him to justify not re enlisting them.

    And do on up the chain of command until White male officers are eliminated.

    In California an employee can be fired at any time for no reason. The exception is race sex gay disabled ........ discrimination

    But Damore is a White man who by law can and should be discriminated against.

    I can’t wait too see google’s response.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    Indeed, and none of this is going away. It’s just going to keep getting worse… and worse… and worse… and worse…

  155. @Alden
    @AndrewR

    It is legal to discriminate against White males. It’s not just legal, it is mandated by numerous laws and court findings and enforced by numerous government agencies. Has been since 1968.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    It is legal to discriminate against White males. It’s not just legal, it is mandated by numerous laws and court findings and enforced by numerous government agencies. Has been since 1968.

    That’s true, but judges are supposed to pretend it’s not, and it’s supposed to be done discreetly and deniably so as not to alarm the helots. What Google did is so flagrant that I can easily imagine a California court ruling against Google.

    • Agree: epochehusserl
  156. @Steve Sailer
    @Stephen Marle II

    "I get the impression that there are quite a lot of transgender employees there. Is that normal for Silicon Valley?"

    Seems like it. There's a correlation between being a high IQ Asperger's and becoming an ex-man.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Maybe they finally conclude that it’s the only way they can get close to a woman. The interesting question is why women find them so instinctively repellent, given their IQ/dominance.

  157. @Thomm
    @utu

    Hey, moron, I am a white guy.

    I love white women. Especially since they totally cut off WN losers from reproduction and romance (hence doing their genetic duty for our race).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You go gurrl! Anyone can be white on the Internet!

  158. @Expletive Deleted
    @1661er

    I've never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
    Every time a hurricane strikes, I'm quite distressed by the carnage wrought on these expensive shanty-towns. For instance, the cottage I'm in right now was intended to house the poorest class of farm servant, yet has solid masonry walls two feet thick, tiny windows, and a Welsh slate roof, each slate at least 1/4" thick (no eaves gap). Pit-sawn rafter pairs, i.e. half a tree, close-boarded. I clamber about on it without a second thought despite its age (sometime around 1850).
    I suppose our weather is just reliably worse than yours, without the extreme interruptions. And storm-cellars were an impossibility, they'd simply fill with water every winter, so best to have it above ground level?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross, @PiltdownMan

    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.

    I never used to think about it that way, but I have, ever since a colleague visiting from a third-world country office asked me the same question-he was horrified that people would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to live in dwellings that he viewed as akin to being flimsy shanties. He wasn’t familiar with carpentry and box-frame home construction, of course, but he did have something of a point.

    In Europe, most of the old housing stock of people with any means was built to last for centuries, with brick and mortar or stone being the norm and half-timbering being less common. Even, today, with modern architectural styles, wood and plasterboard homes are the exception and not the rule.

    The other thing that must be strikings about housing here, to visitor, is the utter conformity in styles across the continental United States. You could drop someone blindfolded in an American suburb, and he’d be hard pressed to tell (at least from the style of the homes) whether he was in Idaho or Maryland. Some of it is, of course, post-War developer initiated, but home-buyers are remarkably narrow in their tastes and expectations, IMHO.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @PiltdownMan


    The other thing that must be strikings about housing here, to visitor, is the utter conformity in styles across the continental United States. You could drop someone blindfolded in an American suburb, and he’d be hard pressed to tell (at least from the style of the homes) whether he was in Idaho or Maryland. Some of it is, of course, post-War developer initiated, but home-buyers are remarkably narrow in their tastes and expectations, IMHO.
     
    You would never confuse Pennsylvania and Texas.
  159. @Kevin C.
    @AndrewR


    And more to the point, in this case, it should not be difficult to find evidence that Google has acted discriminatorily towards white males.
     
    So what? According to our ruling elites, and thus our courts, acting discriminatorily towards white males, especially those who are insufficiently Leftist, is perfectly a-okay. And that's almost certainly what's going to happen. We'll find plenty of evidence of Google being anti-white, anti-male, etc., and the court will dutifully rule — wrapped up in suitable sophistical verbiage — that none of it constitutes a "hostile work environment" because white, male, etc. aren't "protected classes", and therefore that discriminating against them is perfectly legal.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I almost punched my radio when I heard that one of the Crucified Bakeries had not merely had their appeal rejected but were ordered to pay the activists nearly two hundred thousand dollars for “emotional distress.” Meaning: “yes, we really honestly just want you to go out of business.”

  160. @Kevin C.
    @ben tillman


    Indeed. These people are on another planet.
     
    I wish. No, the problem is that not only are we stuck sharing this planet with these people, it's that they and those like them pretty much rule our portion of it, with a grasp on power so strong that nothing short of (irreversible) civilizational collapse can dislodge them.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I wish. No, the problem is that not only are we stuck sharing this planet with these people, it’s that they and those like them pretty much rule our portion of it, with a grasp on power so strong that nothing short of (irreversible) civilizational collapse can dislodge them.

    No, it’s worse than that, Kevin, and I bet you don’t hear that often.

    The problem is not that we are stuck sharing the planet with them. It is that they will not tolerate sharing the planet with us.

    But life is glorious despite the shadow of impending doom.

    Dum spiro spero, and never surrender!

  161. @PiltdownMan
    @Expletive Deleted


    I’ve never understood why the wealthiest nation on earth is content to live in what are little more than sheds.
     
    I never used to think about it that way, but I have, ever since a colleague visiting from a third-world country office asked me the same question-he was horrified that people would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to live in dwellings that he viewed as akin to being flimsy shanties. He wasn't familiar with carpentry and box-frame home construction, of course, but he did have something of a point.

    In Europe, most of the old housing stock of people with any means was built to last for centuries, with brick and mortar or stone being the norm and half-timbering being less common. Even, today, with modern architectural styles, wood and plasterboard homes are the exception and not the rule.

    The other thing that must be strikings about housing here, to visitor, is the utter conformity in styles across the continental United States. You could drop someone blindfolded in an American suburb, and he'd be hard pressed to tell (at least from the style of the homes) whether he was in Idaho or Maryland. Some of it is, of course, post-War developer initiated, but home-buyers are remarkably narrow in their tastes and expectations, IMHO.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The other thing that must be strikings about housing here, to visitor, is the utter conformity in styles across the continental United States. You could drop someone blindfolded in an American suburb, and he’d be hard pressed to tell (at least from the style of the homes) whether he was in Idaho or Maryland. Some of it is, of course, post-War developer initiated, but home-buyers are remarkably narrow in their tastes and expectations, IMHO.

    You would never confuse Pennsylvania and Texas.

  162. @Kevin C.
    @27 year old


    Whites can’t keep standing on principle in this environment. It’s insane.
     
    But we will. It's who we are. Because Hajnal Line and outbreeding, it's in our blood. White people simply aren't capable of the kind of tribalism one needs to thrive in the racial spoils system — it's part of what made us special and so successful in the past, but is now quite maladaptive. And there's very little that can fight against this sort of nature — the only thing I can think of is a strong religion with tight-knit "insular" communities (c.f. the Amish). And that is rather in short supply these days.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Racial spoils system = r>K , = entropy.
    Fade to black.
    Meanwhile, the spirit of the Founding Fathers lives on.

  163. @Almost Missouri
    @AndrewR

    It is not only that the Left long ago abandoned any honor standard. Even getting "honest, decent" jurors is pretty unusual nowadays, thank to labors of the Left.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-extended-crime-families-tax-fraud-and-hung-juries

    When neither your opponent nor the referee upholds honor, what's the plan? Dying with dignity?

    [In case you are considering answering "yes" to that, please be assured that the Left are working to foreclose that too. C.f., Andrew Breitbart, RIP.]

    Replies: @Ivy

    You may get some consolation from the weekly updates at the following:

    https://patriotpost.us/humor

    • Replies: @Numinous
    @Ivy

    Yeah, genius, much of India is in bad shape, which I (who actually lives there) would readily admit. How exactly does that relate to my critical thinking skills or lack thereof?

    When you get out of your drug-addled stupor, re-read my comment and your response(s) to it, and see if you can establish the remotest connection between them.

    Replies: @Ivy

  164. @Ivy
    @Almost Missouri

    You may get some consolation from the weekly updates at the following:

    https://patriotpost.us/humor

    Replies: @Numinous

    Yeah, genius, much of India is in bad shape, which I (who actually lives there) would readily admit. How exactly does that relate to my critical thinking skills or lack thereof?

    When you get out of your drug-addled stupor, re-read my comment and your response(s) to it, and see if you can establish the remotest connection between them.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Numinous

    Was replying to Almost Missouri, not to you.

  165. @grapesoda
    @Numinous

    Numinous is a good example of the quality of workers India is sending over. His education is so poor that he has never even learned the basics of critical thinking or making qualitative comparisons.

    I was in Delhi last year. Why is the entire 1000 square KM area around Delhi covered in smoke for much of the year? It's so thick you can barely see in front of you some days. Rates of lung cancer are skyrocketing. Quantitatively the worst air quality in the world, right up there with China. And you think you can compare India to the US? Massive FAIL. Fix your own country first loser.

    And I actually kind of like India but NOT people like Numinous. I like humble Indian villagers and office workers who only speak Hindi more than people like Numinous. He actually is a disgrace to the sacred traditions of India, combining the worst of both worlds... Indian standards of education and quality with American materialism. Americans who have lived there for generations have developed adaptations to the materialism in the form of shamanism or what have you, but Indians who arrive have no immunity and become WAY WORSE, also giving up their own sacred traditions for a 50K a year job that we laugh at. SAD!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    A lot of Asians don’t do critical thinking at all. Their learning is memorization and drilling, period. Russia is Asian for these purposes. Argument is pretty much the worst thing ever to an Asian. The concept of arguing “well” can’t exist in a totalitarian atmosphere where power justifies all — you are persuasive if you are powerful or wealthy. You hear this a lot from IT and I’ve seen it a couple of times at university: flawless grasp of the material, no ability at all to do stuff with it, like the episode in Brave New World where the kid can recite paragraphs but not explain them.

  166. Misconceptions floating around about what a protected class is. It really should be phrased protected classification. Women and blacks aren’t protected classes; sex and race are. According to discrimination law, it’s illegal to discriminate for those reasons. It’s not that specific groups of people are protected.

  167. @Alden
    @Thomm

    Malays, Indonesians, Cambodians ands Phillipinos don’t work in American tech. It’s the light skinned Chinese who work in American tech.

    We have lots of Phillipino Drs and nurses .

    Replies: @Thomm

    It’s the light skinned Chinese who work in American tech.

    er… brown Indians are extremely common in tech. That includes the current CEOs of Microsoft and Google.

    Get a clue..

    Then again, as a woman, you have even less chance of being knowledgeable about tech than a low-IQ WN male.

  168. @Numinous
    @Ivy

    Yeah, genius, much of India is in bad shape, which I (who actually lives there) would readily admit. How exactly does that relate to my critical thinking skills or lack thereof?

    When you get out of your drug-addled stupor, re-read my comment and your response(s) to it, and see if you can establish the remotest connection between them.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Was replying to Almost Missouri, not to you.

  169. @Numinous
    @nebulafox


    There was never a movement to break away from the mother country like there was in Hong Kong in the 60s-it took an invading army to wrest Goa away.
     
    You are nuts. There was a long-running secession movement, somewhat low-key but nonetheless present. Indian invasion, followed by many appeals (ignored by Lisbon) starting from '47, was just the final act in a long-running saga. The locals in Goa are related to their neighbors, the Marathas, and speak a dialect of the Marathi language. Marathas have been among the most nationalist of Indians; it's the place where Hindu nationalism was born and still thrives. It's no wonder that the forces of Hindu nationalism are largely in control of Goa today.

    Someone mentioned in another thread how Steven Pinker pointed to political correctness in the mainstream media as pushing intelligence people to the alt-right. With the amount of fantasy and misinformation swirling in alt-right circles like these, I think a reverse exodus isn't too far off.

    Replies: @CCG

    The only crazy person here is you. The secession movement in Goa was basically restricted to a minority of low-caste Hindus (wanted Reservations), Communists (anti-Salazar) and immigrants from British India (wanted to import relatives). And this was in spite of a serious propaganda campaign from New Delhi. Most Goans who visited independent India found it disgusting on account of the poverty, crime, bureaucracy and corruption.

    Goans are not related to the Marathas, that’s post-1961 revisionist bullshit. Read the book ‘Conquerors’ by Roger Crowley to know the racial origins of the 95% Catholic ‘Velhas Conquistas’. The Marathas are despised by native Goans because they destroyed many churches when they tried to conquer Goa (e.g. the parish church of Santo Estêvão was burned down twice by the Marathas and was rebuilt both times by the native Goans). After 1961, the Indian government even tried to rename the city of Vasco da Gama as Sambhaji Nagar but failed.

    Konkani is also not a Marathi dialect – that was more Indian bullshit to impose Marathi language in Goan schools and Goan government offices so they’d have an excuse to not hire native Goans and instead flood Goa with Maharashtrian Hindu immigrants to change Goa’s demographics. The rise of the BJP was also due to all the mass-immigration from the rest of India, especially the BIMARU crowd that have been arriving non-stop by train since the 1990s.

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