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Human beings enjoy an extended childhood, say, ages 7 through 11, in between infancy and puberty when nothing too dramatic happens. It’s a pretty nice time of life. Chimpanzees, in contrast, go through puberty about 5 years younger, so they change very rapidly from lovable toddlers to Hell’s Angels.

Spotted Toad once offered an interesting off-beat theory for why transmania has become so prevalent recently, especially among adolescent girls, who tend to virally come down these days with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria when other girls at their school catch it: it’s our culture’s socially approved way for young people to act out their stress over the approach of puberty. Different eras and classes have had their different ways for girls to express their discomfort over their bodies changing: they used to become Goths; or if they are from Achiever Classes, they can go anorexic.

This might help explain why so many of fans of the Harry Potter books feel betrayed to discover that author J.K. Rowling is not a true believer in their trans-substantiation dogma.

Maybe the Junior Anti-Sex League is so worked up is because adolescent girls who have Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria don’t really want to be boys; instead, they’re worried about becoming women. So bring on the puberty blockers!

Rowling is a pretty normal grown-up lady. In contrast, among her biggest fans, they associate Harry Potter with feelings of childhood security and stasis, which, bizarre as it may sound, their transmania is seen in their eyes as prolonging.

Perhaps Harry Potter books appeal to young ladies with Petunia Pan Syndrome who wanted to stay a child and were fearful of growing up into womanhood. Their faith in trans-substantiation with its sacrament of puberty blockers is comforting to them.

By the way, as I’ve often pointed out in the past, most examples of fairly famous men who decided to become ex-men tend to be guys who were (and remain) extremely unfeminine. They have tended to men of extreme masculine ambitions: to be The World’s Greatest Athlete, or to be the Successor to Adam Smith, or to be The First Man to Make a Fortune in Outer Space, or whatever. They don’t really want to be women, they want to crush women into dust beneath their chariot wheels in the game of being a woman.

Conversely, the large number of young adolescent girls who have suddenly announced that, contrary to all evidence before Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria swept their schools and social media circles, don’t really want to be boys (an unfashionable fate these days). Instead, they are scared of changing into women.

Thus the transgender fad is a little like anorexia, which tends to hit young females from high achieving households. Extreme slenderness seems to them like a way to be fashionable and superior while fending off the feared changes that come with womanhood.

 
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  1. Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    I've never really seen the bottom half of her, or made any effort, for that matter, as she's normally behind a podium scolding the world or the helm of a yacht. I think that she could change like a caterpillar into a butterfly were she to not have her hair in a pony tail or pig tails, use some eye makeup of some sort, and wear the type of outfit fellow- (not even close!) Swedes Agnetha and Anni-Frid used to.

    Greta needs the Carrie White treatment ... before the pig's blood scene, I mean.

    See "Ring, Ring, Greta please give me a call ...♬♬".

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Harry Baldwin

    Fetal alcohol syndrome is my guess, combined with mild mental retardation.

    , @Red Pill Angel
    @Harry Baldwin

    You're right, it's completely abnormal for a sixteen-year-old girl to show zero signs of puberty, even if she is thin and on a vegan diet.

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Harry Baldwin

    Also speaking of remaining childlike:

    https://tomwoods.com/ep-1050-how-state-and-society-invented-adolescence-and-screwed-up-young-people/

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain-2007-06/

    The late John Taylor Gatto also addressed this issue.

    , @Alden
    @Harry Baldwin

    Greta’s parents aren’t just vegetarians they’re vegans. An 18 month old baby recently died of starvation because of vegan parents. He weighed 17 pounds, just 10 pounds more that he weighed at birth. His siblings are now in the care of child protective services. They’re severely malnourished.

    Greta will probably never achieve puberty due to childhood vegan malnourishment. At 16 she won’t grow either. She looks like a normal 10 year old 4’ 9 70 80 pounds. Plus her face has that special Ed look.

  2. A lot of gay people ive met will admit in private they’d “go bi” for the right good looking person of the opposite sex.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Neoconned

    Were you one of them?

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @HammerJack
    @Neoconned

    Although it's quite "incorrect" of me, I'm fully convinced that a fair number of people decide their sexuality according to whether they can land hotter guys or girls.

    Yeah that, and also of course people are born that way. I really didn't mean what I said above, I was just experimenting.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SFG

    , @Anonymous
    @Neoconned

    So you meet with lots of homosexuals.... interesting.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  3. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    I once read something about how girls in this age bracket are sometimes prone to commit shoplifting. But the items they shoplift are always the accoutrements of their new womanhood: makeup, lingerie, etc. We should probably just admit that this change is stressful!

    We probably should, but there’s no way Big Makeup would ever let this happen. THIS IS WHAT THEY TOOK FROM USSSS!!!!

  4. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She’s still a vegan, which also can’t help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, TWS
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The problem of this poor girl are her cuckoo parents. I too would sail across the world and become a protest leader just to get away from them.

    , @Kronos
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’ve known plenty of kids who grew up with Palio-SJW parents (vegans, secular sin, etc.) Greta Thunberg reminds me of Steve’s “Half-Blood Prince” chapters on Barack Obama’s childhood and subsequent obsession with race. Obama’s mother was VERY “activist” driven and also embodied the “going to change the world” ethos that’s still going (neurotically) strong today. Some kids pick this up and find their own “unique” activist calling. (The Asian parents and kids can often fake enthusiasm for this stuff, but many liberal whites truly believe in the “change the world” mindset.)

    “I’m going to save the world and get a sexy African blacksmith on the side!”

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZablOlQ3ffQ/Vw5gh_VIWKI/AAAAAAAAH8A/r5ZpZvUkAYklUgFprywfTJJOgl3BzKG6ACLcB/s1600/Kenyan%2BBlacksmith.jpg

    , @Redneck farmer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    In The Taste Of War, it points out children in occupied Europe had developmental and disease problems because of lack of meat in their diet.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Vegan/veggie diets for children are a Bad Thing.

    , @Morton's toes
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I know personally of one case of a 16 year old who was pre-pubescent. He had a horrible childhood. Somehow he came through it late and ended up actually mostly OK. It was pretty weird seeing him after he grew nine more inches age 16-18.

    , @Rapparee
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Joe Rogan, in one of his specials, did a bit about the damage that vegan cat-owners do to their pets, and how sickly and weak the animals appear in every photograph. Humans are far more omnivorous than purely carnivorous cats, of course, but we've been eating meat continuously for at least 2 or 3 million years or so, and basic Darwinian logic suggests we've probably adapted to where good for us. Even the most ascetic of Medieval monasteries usually allowed exceptions for meat on Fridays and other days of abstinence for brothers who were sickly or ailing.

  5. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    The problem of this poor girl are her cuckoo parents. I too would sail across the world and become a protest leader just to get away from them.

  6. @Neoconned
    A lot of gay people ive met will admit in private they'd "go bi" for the right good looking person of the opposite sex.

    Replies: @Kronos, @HammerJack, @Anonymous

    Were you one of them?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    No.

    When I worked at Pizza Hut the manager who hired me was gay. Also 3 of the drivers were either trans or bisexual....

    Other restaurants are infested w them as well. I worked the greasy hot jobs for yrs....cook, dishwasher etc

    They tend to be waiters, delivery people etc.....at least on an anecdotal level in my area

    Replies: @JMcG

  7. Human beings enjoy an extended childhood, say, ages 7 through 11, in between infancy and puberty when nothing too dramatic happens. It’s a pretty nice time of life.

    That is not true if your parents are alchoholics who beat each other bloody and then come after you. You hide in the woods behind your house. You pour out your mother’s vodka bottles. You remove distributor wires from her car, so she can’t drive away drunk and get killed, because you are a fucking genius — age ten — and your father taught you what those wires do.

    Then you go crazy. Yes, nature/nurture is approximately 50/50, especially for high-IQ White boys.

    Signed,
    Exception to the Rule.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Wow, I'm sorry. I really can't imagine what that was like. You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don't stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it's a 50/50 thing but it's almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.

    I've known secret drunks who quietly destroy their livers, mellow drunks who get happy when drunk but never the violent kind. You can see why the Prohibitionists wanted to treat alcohol like it was meth or fentanyl - it can be just as destructive.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Simply Simon

    , @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That is really, really awful, and I am sorry you had to go through that. I can't even imagine.

    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How did you get out of that pit of despair and fear?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  8. Has there been any research on LUGs (lesbian until graduation)?

    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly. So a subset of women decide it is easier to be with other women than to deal with men. Then, once they graduate, they have a privileged position in the workplace due to anti-discrimination laws. Men also mature and become better mates for the women.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @ScarletNumber


    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus.

     

    I heard of the LUG phenomenon long before women started outnumbering men on campus*, so I don't think that's the cause.

    * And considered it more of a 'Dear Penthouse' meme, but then again, who knows what those Americans get up to, eh?

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Duke84
    @ScarletNumber

    Why would men on campus treat women poorly? I've never seen a shred of evidence that's true.In fact it's the other way around.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @ScarletNumber

    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    @ScarletNumber


    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly.
     
    Hmmm no. There is the 20/80 rule.

    Replies: @Yngvar

  9. link

    If they can convince the population that the most fundamental difference of all — that between men and women — is actually illusory, and worse prejudiced, then it follows that there is no difference between *any* people

    Transgenderism is the most important project of progressivism

    • Replies: @68W58
    @eah

    Thanks for linking to that twitter thread-pretty good discussion of ideology there.

  10. @Neoconned
    A lot of gay people ive met will admit in private they'd "go bi" for the right good looking person of the opposite sex.

    Replies: @Kronos, @HammerJack, @Anonymous

    Although it’s quite “incorrect” of me, I’m fully convinced that a fair number of people decide their sexuality according to whether they can land hotter guys or girls.

    Yeah that, and also of course people are born that way. I really didn’t mean what I said above, I was just experimenting.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @HammerJack

    I would characterize most of the cases of Lesbian Until Graduation I have observed as follows:

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so. So they plump for the next closest thing: fashionable lesbianism. Many are merely liptstick lesbians; others are socially coerced into more performative lesbianism against their actual preferences, and often become dependent on antidepressant pharmaceuticals or worse.

    Obviously, just including old-fashioned chastity as a respectable option has worked fine for thousands of years, but the intolerant progressivism/"feminism" will not permit this particular bit of diversity.

    There is apparently sufficient pent up desire for chastity such that some of it is starting to manifest as a new social movement of "asexuality", which, like lesbianism, appears to be an amalgam of a few genuine true believers who provide an umbrella of social acceptability for chaste-aspirationals against the torrential downpour of progressivism's intolerance of any dissent.

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @AnotherDad

    , @SFG
    @HammerJack

    I think that's probably true mostly at the extreme left end of the attractiveness curve. Some very omega guys may do better becoming non-binary or transgender and hanging out with the LGBTQ crowd. Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she's better off with lesbians who will be 'fat positive' and so on.

    Fluidity is a thing, but it's more of a stress response in many cases, I think. I'm sure a lot of gay guys in jail go back to women after they get out.

    Replies: @TWS, @Desiderius, @Dr Van Nostrand

  11. @ScarletNumber

    Has there been any research on LUGs (lesbian until graduation)?
     
    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly. So a subset of women decide it is easier to be with other women than to deal with men. Then, once they graduate, they have a privileged position in the workplace due to anti-discrimination laws. Men also mature and become better mates for the women.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Duke84, @Dr Van Nostrand

    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus.

    I heard of the LUG phenomenon long before women started outnumbering men on campus*, so I don’t think that’s the cause.

    * And considered it more of a ‘Dear Penthouse’ meme, but then again, who knows what those Americans get up to, eh?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Pericles

    Best guess is (a) as said previously, late-teenage boys can treat women awfully (b) it's a way to get sex without risking a career-ending pregnancy (c) it's trendy now with feminism and metoo.

    Also, as AM says, it's a way out of having to have sex (with men). Sort of a short-term nunnery (in the sexual sense, trad Caths, I am NOT equating this to religious orders in any other sense).

    Replies: @Duke84, @miss marple

  12. As a boy, I don’t remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We’re forgetting that girls are different, really, it’s not just a social construct.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @RichardTaylor

    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Screwtape

    , @Simply Simon
    @RichardTaylor

    As eah above suggests, the progressives don't want you to believe that girls are different.

    , @Simply Simon
    @RichardTaylor

    I would think that the big difference between boys and girls regarding anxiety about puberty would be the girls awaiting the advent of the monthly period, something completely foreign to a male.

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @RichardTaylor

    On the DVD of MST3k's Operation Kid Brother (the Bond ripoff with Sean's brother), Joel Hodgson talks about how Bond movies made kids excited about becoming adults -- there would be fast cars, booze, hot ladies, and you performed an exciting job that people admired you for.

    Fortunately, we no longer expose our children to such bigotry.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Dissident
    @RichardTaylor


    And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.
     
    The Fourth Earl of Chesterfield apparently didn't think so.
    "the pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable."
  13. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    I’ve known plenty of kids who grew up with Palio-SJW parents (vegans, secular sin, etc.) Greta Thunberg reminds me of Steve’s “Half-Blood Prince” chapters on Barack Obama’s childhood and subsequent obsession with race. Obama’s mother was VERY “activist” driven and also embodied the “going to change the world” ethos that’s still going (neurotically) strong today. Some kids pick this up and find their own “unique” activist calling. (The Asian parents and kids can often fake enthusiasm for this stuff, but many liberal whites truly believe in the “change the world” mindset.)

    “I’m going to save the world and get a sexy African blacksmith on the side!”

  14. I don’t think so. It seems that man “transitioning” to women are far more common than women “transitioning” to men. Although probably “temporary lesbians” are more common than “temporary gay men”, because there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo


    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.
     
    That's because a woman who experiments isn't a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFWYou either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @Cloudbuster, @AnotherDad

    , @Clive Beaconsfield
    @Dumbo

    MtF transgenders are more common overall, but the rapid-onset adolescent dysphoria is much more female-to-male, and seems to be much more socially catching.

    , @fnn
    @Dumbo

    There is said to a recent large increase in the number of girls who want to "transition":
    https://inews.co.uk/news/nhs-gender-identity-service-child-referrals-transgender-identification-507567


    Figures published by the Gender Identity Development Service, an NHS group that supports children experiencing “difficulties in the development of their gender identity”, show that the number of referrals each year has risen from 97 in 2009/10 to 2,519 in 2017/18

    The number of girls receiving referrals increased from 40 to 1,806, while the number of boys rose from 56 to 713.
     
  15. @Dumbo
    I don't think so. It seems that man "transitioning" to women are far more common than women "transitioning" to men. Although probably "temporary lesbians" are more common than "temporary gay men", because there's less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that "experiments" with other men.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Clive Beaconsfield, @fnn

    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.

    That’s because a woman who experiments isn’t a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFW

    [MORE]
    You either suck dick, or you don’t suck dick.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @ScarletNumber

    Yes, also, I guess a woman licking a vagina is not as traumatic as a man having a bazooka up the wazoo. Also it seems most lesbian couples hardly have sex at all, while gays copulate with three other men at a time on weekdays and with six on weekends. So lesbians are not gay, as Sailer once wisely said.

    , @Jake
    @ScarletNumber

    The Dice man is correct.

    Both with sexual contact and deep emotional ties that mimic good marriage, females who experience them rarely become lesbians, but males who do the same tend to be gay or very actively gay-lean bisexual for life.

    Male homosexual advertising and experimentation are much worse for a society that female homosexual advertising and experimentation.

    That is the reason that gay men and their super rich benefactors began persuading lesbians to serve in their culture war army that intended to bring pederasty to the New World Order as an acceptable choice. All gay male sex movements will keep going farther to establish pederasty as 'normal' until they are rejected with extreme prejudice.

    Being self-indulgent girls at heart, lesbians fell for it.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @ScarletNumber

    The way I have put it before is that lesbianism involves a lot of affectionate rubbing and cuddling that even straight females don't find disgusting, but taking a dick up your ass requires commitment.

    , @AnotherDad
    @ScarletNumber

    Dice is right.

    Straight men have zero--absolutely zero--sexual interest in other men (or boys).

    If a guy has such an interest, guess what, you're queer. A few of those guys seem to have amphorous enough feelings about women that they are "bi", but basically the whole lot are queers.

    The deal with women seems to be more complex with lots of emotional stuff involved, complicating the picture beyond what they really want sexually.

  16. Goths aren’t high-achieving? Rowling must be the exception; in the nineteen eighties she listened to Siouxie and the Banshees and modelled herself on singer Siouxsie Sioux. Severus Snape gets his first-name from Steve Severin the band’s bassist.

  17. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    In The Taste Of War, it points out children in occupied Europe had developmental and disease problems because of lack of meat in their diet.

  18. @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo


    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.
     
    That's because a woman who experiments isn't a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFWYou either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @Cloudbuster, @AnotherDad

    Yes, also, I guess a woman licking a vagina is not as traumatic as a man having a bazooka up the wazoo. Also it seems most lesbian couples hardly have sex at all, while gays copulate with three other men at a time on weekdays and with six on weekends. So lesbians are not gay, as Sailer once wisely said.

  19. This is thought provoking. If you read Joseph Campbell’s stuff you learn that traditional cultures had a huge amount of mythology and rituals associated with puberty and the transition to adulthood. It is a stressful and confusing time. In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?

    Of course there are people who would say this is precisely the point, that cultural norms unnecessarily restricted people from having the freedom to become who they really are.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    "In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need...?"

    Hah, if only. In modern society, we have lost EVERYTHING young people need.

    Or, put another way, young people have lost /everything/. Which was more or less stolen from them, by Boomers and their pet infinity immigrants.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    What were the puberty rituals that Campbell discussed?

    Replies: @Alden

    , @JimB
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?
     
    ...and replaced them with Harry Potter.

    Better to give your 7-11 year old kids Pogo comic books by Walt Kelly and Tales from Moominvalley by Tove Jansson (yes, I know she was a lesbian). They handled notions of transgender identity subtly and humanely. Also, I’d recommend Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks. Donald Duck is the ultimate angry middle class white guy and a good antidote to white privilege propaganda.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  20. This is indeed an excellent thought provoking post.

    For girls especially but also for boys, the pressures in facing full puberty and then adulthood in this age of successful sexual revolution are increasingly overwhelming. Unless we roll back sexual revolution and recreate widespread stable, traditional families, we are going to see more and more at least temporary mental illness that manifests itself in similar ways.

    Our world – Modern, secular, neo-Liberal, globalist New World Order – is insane, literally. The young sense it and are terrified even as its freedoms to wallow in perversions and excess seduce constantly.

  21. The social dynamics of the Great Awokening encapsulated in a single tweet:

    • Replies: @68W58
    @IHTG

    LOL-she got this response:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSamVimes/status/1208049304222470144

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @IHTG

    Boy, it would have been fun to watch her freak out when she thought she was going to be unpersoned and lose her C-list ("Hey, Fraser's bitchy wife!") celeb status.

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @IHTG

    Who's the "you" she's reassuring? Her dozen or so fans? The Anti-Sex League? Big Brother?

  22. NICK: Um, Jane? Are you familiar with Dr. Pomeroy’s work?

    JANE: Who?

    NICK: Girls And Sex by Wardell B. Pomeroy. “The long-needed modern guide to the understanding of girls growing up.” Quote: “The most frank and objective book currently available”—Library Journal

    JANE: Oh, that.

    NICK: “… The years of puberty and early womanhood are difficult, even frightening, for many girls. This is the time they most need objective, factual information… and sympathetic advice about their physical and emotional changes.”

  23. @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo


    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.
     
    That's because a woman who experiments isn't a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFWYou either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @Cloudbuster, @AnotherDad

    The Dice man is correct.

    Both with sexual contact and deep emotional ties that mimic good marriage, females who experience them rarely become lesbians, but males who do the same tend to be gay or very actively gay-lean bisexual for life.

    Male homosexual advertising and experimentation are much worse for a society that female homosexual advertising and experimentation.

    That is the reason that gay men and their super rich benefactors began persuading lesbians to serve in their culture war army that intended to bring pederasty to the New World Order as an acceptable choice. All gay male sex movements will keep going farther to establish pederasty as ‘normal’ until they are rejected with extreme prejudice.

    Being self-indulgent girls at heart, lesbians fell for it.

  24. I hated my puberty because of the creepy fetishization of it by adults. I remember the endless parade of books, movies and people in authority who told me, with what I can only describe as “glee”, that I was supposed to rebel now. You’re supposed to feel insecure and angsty and start fighting with your parents.

    I didn’t want any of that. I loved my parent and just wanted to get along.

    It feels like the forerunner of the current push towards transsexuality; a social trap laid by other people to make your childhood miserable and potentially mess you up for life.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @kihowi

    Yeah, the Prodigal Son is now normative. Rumspringa for the masses. Some progress.

  25. @HammerJack
    @Neoconned

    Although it's quite "incorrect" of me, I'm fully convinced that a fair number of people decide their sexuality according to whether they can land hotter guys or girls.

    Yeah that, and also of course people are born that way. I really didn't mean what I said above, I was just experimenting.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SFG

    I would characterize most of the cases of Lesbian Until Graduation I have observed as follows:

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so. So they plump for the next closest thing: fashionable lesbianism. Many are merely liptstick lesbians; others are socially coerced into more performative lesbianism against their actual preferences, and often become dependent on antidepressant pharmaceuticals or worse.

    Obviously, just including old-fashioned chastity as a respectable option has worked fine for thousands of years, but the intolerant progressivism/”feminism” will not permit this particular bit of diversity.

    There is apparently sufficient pent up desire for chastity such that some of it is starting to manifest as a new social movement of “asexuality”, which, like lesbianism, appears to be an amalgam of a few genuine true believers who provide an umbrella of social acceptability for chaste-aspirationals against the torrential downpour of progressivism’s intolerance of any dissent.

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Almost Missouri


    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so.
     
    They definitely lack the courage, and will. They may face what they undoubtedly imagine to be "enormous" pressure to conform, but young women can do whatever the Hell they want. As they never tire of informing us.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so.
    ...

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.
     
    Good comment AM.

    I would say that the biggest driver of LUGs and all this infantilism is simply because ... they are *supposed* to be infants until they are 30! I.e. late marriage.

    I think a lot of young women would be very, very interested in being romanced by a young man ... if it was likely leading somewhere--to the altar--and therefore worth investing in emotionally.

    But ... that's not the program. The program is that they have years of career and "leaning in" ahead of them and what's on offer is "hookups"--being a cum dump--or a series of "relationships" that everyone knows aren't going anywhere because their "careers" will lead them off whereever and marriage is years away. And for a lot of normal girls the whole thing is pretty depressing. Most still try to find romance. Most muddle thourgh. Some just give up. And some just stick stuff in their mouths out of frustration/dissatisfaction and become "LUGs" or "asexual" or something.

    It's almost like the "progressives" have redesigned social convetions to suppress the natural reproduction of the nation. (I'm noticing a pattern in "progressive" policy.)
  26. I have a story…

    Background info: My mom and I don’t entirely get along…she was more of my jealous sister than a mother…I taught myself how to brush my teeth, I taught myself how to take daily showers…I washed my own clothes starting at age 8 etc etc

    So needless to say Puberty for me was horrifying…

    I started to get boobs in 6th grade…and was horrified. I would walk bent over trying to hide it. My teacher yelled at me and told me to stand straight up. That was even worse.

    Then I got my period before everyone else…had a rough time of it, did some embarrassing things…

    My mother actually took me to the doctor making a big deal that something was wrong with me. This is not a joke. She did that…

    But when we left the doctor’s office, I got over my humiliation (it was humiliating…my mom was always trying to find something wrong with me) and general meekness and 12 year old me unleashed holy hell on my mom.

    She got so upset she rear ended the car in front of her.

    She never took me clothing shopping or did anything with me again…I did everything with my dad (who has unusually good taste) from that point on.

    Anyways…

    Take someone like my mother…add a touch more psycho evil…and then have Gender Theory at her disposal….

    So Steve is really hitting the nail on the head with this post…there are a lot of kids with crazy moms (and dads.)

    I think we underestimate the fact that some parents do try to hurt their children.

  27. @NJ Transit Commuter
    This is thought provoking. If you read Joseph Campbell’s stuff you learn that traditional cultures had a huge amount of mythology and rituals associated with puberty and the transition to adulthood. It is a stressful and confusing time. In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?

    Of course there are people who would say this is precisely the point, that cultural norms unnecessarily restricted people from having the freedom to become who they really are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TelfoedJohn, @JimB

    “In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need…?”

    Hah, if only. In modern society, we have lost EVERYTHING young people need.

    Or, put another way, young people have lost /everything/. Which was more or less stolen from them, by Boomers and their pet infinity immigrants.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Or, put another way, young people have lost /everything/. Which was more or less stolen from them, by Boomers and their pet infinity immigrants.
     
    Boomers have made their mistakes. I am not a boomer. However, the oldest Boomers were 20 in 1965 and too young to serve in the Congress when the immigration bill passed into law. Boomers were actually the first victims.
  28. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

    I’ve never really seen the bottom half of her, or made any effort, for that matter, as she’s normally behind a podium scolding the world or the helm of a yacht. I think that she could change like a caterpillar into a butterfly were she to not have her hair in a pony tail or pig tails, use some eye makeup of some sort, and wear the type of outfit fellow- (not even close!) Swedes Agnetha and Anni-Frid used to.

    Greta needs the Carrie White treatment … before the pig’s blood scene, I mean.

    See “Ring, Ring, Greta please give me a call …♬♬”.

  29. For my doctoral program at an undisclosed university in Southwestern Ontario, I know a woman who wants to be the Pakistani front in World War T!

    Good luck in Deobandi-land I tell myself where advocating just for girls to go to school will.get you shot by the Taliban!

  30. @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo


    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.
     
    That's because a woman who experiments isn't a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFWYou either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @Cloudbuster, @AnotherDad

    The way I have put it before is that lesbianism involves a lot of affectionate rubbing and cuddling that even straight females don’t find disgusting, but taking a dick up your ass requires commitment.

    • LOL: Daniel H
  31. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

    Fetal alcohol syndrome is my guess, combined with mild mental retardation.

  32. trans-substantiation

    Not bad, Steve-a-rino, not bad.

  33. Good article and good comments!
    Especially throwing in the “asexual” things as a contemporary substition for “chasity”.
    Which, today, unfortunately, tends to mean sissy trannies with pudlocked weenies.

  34. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

    You’re right, it’s completely abnormal for a sixteen-year-old girl to show zero signs of puberty, even if she is thin and on a vegan diet.

  35. @Pericles
    @ScarletNumber


    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus.

     

    I heard of the LUG phenomenon long before women started outnumbering men on campus*, so I don't think that's the cause.

    * And considered it more of a 'Dear Penthouse' meme, but then again, who knows what those Americans get up to, eh?

    Replies: @SFG

    Best guess is (a) as said previously, late-teenage boys can treat women awfully (b) it’s a way to get sex without risking a career-ending pregnancy (c) it’s trendy now with feminism and metoo.

    Also, as AM says, it’s a way out of having to have sex (with men). Sort of a short-term nunnery (in the sexual sense, trad Caths, I am NOT equating this to religious orders in any other sense).

    • Replies: @Duke84
    @SFG

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon, @MBlanc46, @njguy73

    , @miss marple
    @SFG

    I'm not buying your it's-safer-to-have-sex-with-another-chick theory. A drunken hornley male is never going to notice your freshman 20, stretch marks, cellulite or knot knees. Even the homeliest female will note these flaws to use against you whenever she feels like it, wherever and in front of whomever.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  36. @RichardTaylor
    As a boy, I don't remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We're forgetting that girls are different, really, it's not just a social construct.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simply Simon, @Simply Simon, @James J. O'Meara, @Dissident

    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @SFG


    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.
     
    Good point. Yeah the social environment of being a teen was stressful. But there wasn't anything about the physical process of puberty itself that I minded. I don't think many teen boys wish they were kids again. Or that they were non-sexual.
    , @Screwtape
    @SFG

    Fair point. I’m sure athletic inclined boys are able to direct much of the ‘stress’ of puberty into the aspirational ideal of strength and physicality. I was definitely one of those boys.

    Having small parents there was much talk about size and other physical traits growing up. As in, hope that I would have ‘growth spurts’ and avoid the terrible fate of being a short man.

    Adults have no idea how much they fixate on growth and relative size. But this really just reinforces the visceral reality of the male experience, which is that of a physically dominated hierarchy.

    I was a very gifted athlete but was obviously limited by my genes: I was a small boy.

    So I was hopeful for puberty to remedy this, which I’m sure helped alleviate much of the stress. I looked forward to it for its growth/maturation benefits lomg before the sexual aspect came into focus.

    I never got that growth spurt but I did grow. Thank god. It just took forever.

    The stress for me was not about some mysteries of manhood or fear of armpit hair.

    No, it was that nature, in her endless heartlessness, decided that a small boy would be blessed with the character-building experience of also having a long runway of puberty.

    For me and likely most boys - and girls, a great deal of stress is related to the relatively wide distribution of puberty onset as well as the earlier average onset for girls.

    As if junior high isn’t terrible enough. My years 7-9 were in one school. As a 7th grader, I was a child. Most 9th graders were somewhere on their way to manhood. Then when I finally got to be a 9th grader, puberty was on sabbatical.

    Puberty timing creates a lot of lower-tier guys and gals that may not have been otherwise.

    And also amplifies other social or physical deficits of those it either delays, or like one friend of mine, thrusts into early manhood with gifts that curry no favor with the girls.

    My experience as a ‘late-bloomer’ really ingrained a red pill reality of sexual market dynamics at an early age.

    Luckily feminist programming made sure I wouldn’t internalize it into action until my mid 30’s lol. You see, some day she will notice me and I will make a great husband for her after she is done with the big boys and bad boys. Classic romcom stuff.

    I survived. But I wouldn’t do it again. Not was high school the ‘best years’ in any shape or form. My late teens and early 20’s otoh, were ok. Suddenly I was visible. Amazing how that works.

    These poor kids today. Everything is so twisted. Two of my three nieces are in some kind of sex limbo of questioning lezz or some crap.

    Progress makes everything, including puberty, more painful.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  37. @HammerJack
    @Neoconned

    Although it's quite "incorrect" of me, I'm fully convinced that a fair number of people decide their sexuality according to whether they can land hotter guys or girls.

    Yeah that, and also of course people are born that way. I really didn't mean what I said above, I was just experimenting.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @SFG

    I think that’s probably true mostly at the extreme left end of the attractiveness curve. Some very omega guys may do better becoming non-binary or transgender and hanging out with the LGBTQ crowd. Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she’s better off with lesbians who will be ‘fat positive’ and so on.

    Fluidity is a thing, but it’s more of a stress response in many cases, I think. I’m sure a lot of gay guys in jail go back to women after they get out.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @SFG

    Gay for the stay, straight out the gate.

    , @Desiderius
    @SFG


    Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she’s better off with lesbians who will be ‘fat positive’ and so on.
     
    No, she'd be better off losing the weight and achieving the primary source of happiness for all living things instead of settling for being a mineral. Might be better off for you if you're trying to reduce population, but not her.

    Replies: @njguy73, @SFG

    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    @SFG

    Except that MTF trans are often very masculine makes but this is rather later in life. For unattractive males being or pretending to be gay or trans gives them social acceptability that they may not have had as you point out.

  38. @SFG
    @Pericles

    Best guess is (a) as said previously, late-teenage boys can treat women awfully (b) it's a way to get sex without risking a career-ending pregnancy (c) it's trendy now with feminism and metoo.

    Also, as AM says, it's a way out of having to have sex (with men). Sort of a short-term nunnery (in the sexual sense, trad Caths, I am NOT equating this to religious orders in any other sense).

    Replies: @Duke84, @miss marple

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Duke84


    The vast majority of women hate men.
     
    Careful with the extrapolation.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Duke84

    Sample number - one ?

    , @MBlanc46
    @Duke84

    The vast majority of women have some very negative feelings toward men. Some women really hate men.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @njguy73
    @Duke84

    No, women hate the vast majority of men.

  39. @ScarletNumber

    Has there been any research on LUGs (lesbian until graduation)?
     
    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly. So a subset of women decide it is easier to be with other women than to deal with men. Then, once they graduate, they have a privileged position in the workplace due to anti-discrimination laws. Men also mature and become better mates for the women.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Duke84, @Dr Van Nostrand

    Why would men on campus treat women poorly? I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that’s true.In fact it’s the other way around.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Duke84

    Maybe the men that they are more attracted to treat them poorly?
    Most usually treat them pretty well (and then are ignored.)
    Or maybe it's the result of that dastardly Haven Monahan's recent influence?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Duke84


    Why would men on campus treat women poorly?
     
    Because men are more immature than women at that age. Combine that with their numerical advantage and Bob's your uncle.
  40. @SFG
    @RichardTaylor

    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Screwtape

    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.

    Good point. Yeah the social environment of being a teen was stressful. But there wasn’t anything about the physical process of puberty itself that I minded. I don’t think many teen boys wish they were kids again. Or that they were non-sexual.

  41. trans-substantiation dogma

    LOL!

  42. Seems to me there is another obvious reason these people want to stay perpetual children, aside from sexual anxiety: they don’t have to get jobs, pay bills and be mature enough to handle both. They are not just avoiding sexual maturity, they are avoiding maturity, period

    In any case I agree with RichardTaylor, I couldn’t wait to get bigger, stronger, get some wheels and start earning money. Unfortunately, neurotic whack job girls grow up to be neurotic whack job women, and that is a problem. Not one that should convulse our entire society, as it does now, but a problem.

  43. @Dumbo
    I don't think so. It seems that man "transitioning" to women are far more common than women "transitioning" to men. Although probably "temporary lesbians" are more common than "temporary gay men", because there's less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that "experiments" with other men.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Clive Beaconsfield, @fnn

    MtF transgenders are more common overall, but the rapid-onset adolescent dysphoria is much more female-to-male, and seems to be much more socially catching.

  44. @eah
    link

    If they can convince the population that the most fundamental difference of all — that between men and women — is actually illusory, and worse prejudiced, then it follows that there is no difference between *any* people

    Transgenderism is the most important project of progressivism
     

    Replies: @68W58

    Thanks for linking to that twitter thread-pretty good discussion of ideology there.

  45. @Buzz Mohawk

    Human beings enjoy an extended childhood, say, ages 7 through 11, in between infancy and puberty when nothing too dramatic happens. It’s a pretty nice time of life.
     
    That is not true if your parents are alchoholics who beat each other bloody and then come after you. You hide in the woods behind your house. You pour out your mother's vodka bottles. You remove distributor wires from her car, so she can't drive away drunk and get killed, because you are a fucking genius -- age ten -- and your father taught you what those wires do.

    Then you go crazy. Yes, nature/nurture is approximately 50/50, especially for high-IQ White boys.

    Signed,
    Exception to the Rule.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Dr Van Nostrand

    Wow, I’m sorry. I really can’t imagine what that was like. You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don’t stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it’s a 50/50 thing but it’s almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.

    I’ve known secret drunks who quietly destroy their livers, mellow drunks who get happy when drunk but never the violent kind. You can see why the Prohibitionists wanted to treat alcohol like it was meth or fentanyl – it can be just as destructive.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D


    You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don’t stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it’s a 50/50 thing but it’s almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.
     
    Nice emoting, wrong species.

    Ya done good Buzz. Sucks to have to dodge a violent parent or two, but great to be on the other side (step-anything is a slog).


    It's not nothing. Pathos builds character. I don't envy kids who grow up sheltered from any at all.
    , @Simply Simon
    @Jack D

    "It (alcohol) can be just as destructive as meth, fentanyl."
    Agree. War has been declared against tobacco, but alcoholism has killed many more people and ruined more family life.

  46. @SFG
    @HammerJack

    I think that's probably true mostly at the extreme left end of the attractiveness curve. Some very omega guys may do better becoming non-binary or transgender and hanging out with the LGBTQ crowd. Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she's better off with lesbians who will be 'fat positive' and so on.

    Fluidity is a thing, but it's more of a stress response in many cases, I think. I'm sure a lot of gay guys in jail go back to women after they get out.

    Replies: @TWS, @Desiderius, @Dr Van Nostrand

    Gay for the stay, straight out the gate.

  47. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    Vegan/veggie diets for children are a Bad Thing.

  48. @Neoconned
    A lot of gay people ive met will admit in private they'd "go bi" for the right good looking person of the opposite sex.

    Replies: @Kronos, @HammerJack, @Anonymous

    So you meet with lots of homosexuals…. interesting.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Anonymous

    I worked in the service industry near NOLA for 15 years....youd be shocked how many gays work fast food and Wal-Mart....

  49. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    I know personally of one case of a 16 year old who was pre-pubescent. He had a horrible childhood. Somehow he came through it late and ended up actually mostly OK. It was pretty weird seeing him after he grew nine more inches age 16-18.

  50. That might explain the girls but most of the transvestites I’ve noticed are men switching to being women. Maybe because they are higher profile being either sports figures or in entertainment, I’m not sure.

    Anyway it seems to be to be just another symptom of the chronic attention whoring/seeking that goes on today enabled by U-Tube channels and social media where everybody can pretend to be a newscaster or a movie star…for their 5 minutes of fame anyway.

    I think if we stop paying so much attention to it, it will just lessen/stop. Maybe…At least that’s what the nuns used to say in my school when I was a kid. That was their remedy for every deviant behavior, ignore it.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @nymom



    I think if we stop paying so much attention to it, it will just lessen/stop. Maybe…At least that’s what the nuns used to say in my school when I was a kid. That was their remedy for every deviant behavior, ignore it.
     
    This actually is an important idea.

    Attention is a psychological reinforcement for people. Ignoring stuff can help reduce it. Also, removing stuff from view, aka quietly kicking weirdos out of regular school. There have always been places for the weirdos generally focused on getting them to stop or reduce the weirdness.
  51. @Dumbo
    I don't think so. It seems that man "transitioning" to women are far more common than women "transitioning" to men. Although probably "temporary lesbians" are more common than "temporary gay men", because there's less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that "experiments" with other men.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Clive Beaconsfield, @fnn

    There is said to a recent large increase in the number of girls who want to “transition”:
    https://inews.co.uk/news/nhs-gender-identity-service-child-referrals-transgender-identification-507567

    Figures published by the Gender Identity Development Service, an NHS group that supports children experiencing “difficulties in the development of their gender identity”, show that the number of referrals each year has risen from 97 in 2009/10 to 2,519 in 2017/18

    The number of girls receiving referrals increased from 40 to 1,806, while the number of boys rose from 56 to 713.

  52. @NJ Transit Commuter
    This is thought provoking. If you read Joseph Campbell’s stuff you learn that traditional cultures had a huge amount of mythology and rituals associated with puberty and the transition to adulthood. It is a stressful and confusing time. In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?

    Of course there are people who would say this is precisely the point, that cultural norms unnecessarily restricted people from having the freedom to become who they really are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TelfoedJohn, @JimB

    What were the puberty rituals that Campbell discussed?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @TelfoedJohn

    Gross, disgusting dangerous and traumatizing.

  53. @Buzz Mohawk

    Human beings enjoy an extended childhood, say, ages 7 through 11, in between infancy and puberty when nothing too dramatic happens. It’s a pretty nice time of life.
     
    That is not true if your parents are alchoholics who beat each other bloody and then come after you. You hide in the woods behind your house. You pour out your mother's vodka bottles. You remove distributor wires from her car, so she can't drive away drunk and get killed, because you are a fucking genius -- age ten -- and your father taught you what those wires do.

    Then you go crazy. Yes, nature/nurture is approximately 50/50, especially for high-IQ White boys.

    Signed,
    Exception to the Rule.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Dr Van Nostrand

    That is really, really awful, and I am sorry you had to go through that. I can’t even imagine.

  54. It would be nice if we could all could acknowledge being human is difficult in distinctly masculine ways for boys and feminine ways for girls.

    Adolescences represents a somewhat revolutionary change and the road map isn’t all that clear. Feminists shrieking that men have a Madonna whore complex and so can’t truly love women and MRA s shrieking that women all have an alpha beta complex and so can’t truly love men just lead people to believe every member of the opposite sex is constantly scheming to take advantage of them.

    The tranny mania is a natural outgrowth of enlightenment liberalism. A self existing God was replaced with human reason. The highest good became following your heart wherever it leads rather than following morality that originated with God.

    Accepting that God created each of our forms for His purpose was replaced with self realization being the purpose of life. This necessarily leads to following transitory feelings.

    • Agree: Dissident
  55. I’m “wife”—I’ve finished that—
    That other state—
    I’m Czar—I’m “Woman” now—
    It’s safer so—

    How odd the Girl’s life looks
    Behind this soft Eclipse—
    I think that Earth feels so
    To folks in Heaven—now—

    This being comfort—then
    That other kind—was pain—
    But why compare?
    I’m “Wife”! Stop there!

  56. @SFG
    @Pericles

    Best guess is (a) as said previously, late-teenage boys can treat women awfully (b) it's a way to get sex without risking a career-ending pregnancy (c) it's trendy now with feminism and metoo.

    Also, as AM says, it's a way out of having to have sex (with men). Sort of a short-term nunnery (in the sexual sense, trad Caths, I am NOT equating this to religious orders in any other sense).

    Replies: @Duke84, @miss marple

    I’m not buying your it’s-safer-to-have-sex-with-another-chick theory. A drunken hornley male is never going to notice your freshman 20, stretch marks, cellulite or knot knees. Even the homeliest female will note these flaws to use against you whenever she feels like it, wherever and in front of whomever.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @miss marple

    I've never seen anyone so miserable as otherwise attractive college-age women who've talked themselves into fashionable lesbianism.

    Replies: @anon

  57. Girls in 3rd world countries, Muslim countries
    where there are women role models, cultural
    guides, do OK.

    Not screwed by Hollywood, TV, univ graduates,
    and sundry other clueless “experts”.

    5ds

  58. …among her biggest fans, they associate Harry Potter with feelings of childhood security and stasis, which, bizarre as it may sound, their transmania is seen in their eyes as prolonging.

    I think you and “Spotted Toad” are really onto something here. Very insightful.

  59. @Almost Missouri
    @HammerJack

    I would characterize most of the cases of Lesbian Until Graduation I have observed as follows:

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so. So they plump for the next closest thing: fashionable lesbianism. Many are merely liptstick lesbians; others are socially coerced into more performative lesbianism against their actual preferences, and often become dependent on antidepressant pharmaceuticals or worse.

    Obviously, just including old-fashioned chastity as a respectable option has worked fine for thousands of years, but the intolerant progressivism/"feminism" will not permit this particular bit of diversity.

    There is apparently sufficient pent up desire for chastity such that some of it is starting to manifest as a new social movement of "asexuality", which, like lesbianism, appears to be an amalgam of a few genuine true believers who provide an umbrella of social acceptability for chaste-aspirationals against the torrential downpour of progressivism's intolerance of any dissent.

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @AnotherDad

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so.

    They definitely lack the courage, and will. They may face what they undoubtedly imagine to be “enormous” pressure to conform, but young women can do whatever the Hell they want. As they never tire of informing us.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    And are we now taking ditzy young women at their word?

    Replies: @anon

  60. Notice the ominous silence of the studio audience. She tries to inoculate herself with some gratuitous callousness, but digs her hole deeper with the massive faux pas of claiming that the pro forma holiday greeting is Merry Christmas of all things.

    Conan could have merely given the word and they’d have rushed the stage to tear the heretic limb from limb.

  61. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Wow, I'm sorry. I really can't imagine what that was like. You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don't stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it's a 50/50 thing but it's almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.

    I've known secret drunks who quietly destroy their livers, mellow drunks who get happy when drunk but never the violent kind. You can see why the Prohibitionists wanted to treat alcohol like it was meth or fentanyl - it can be just as destructive.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Simply Simon

    You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don’t stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it’s a 50/50 thing but it’s almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.

    Nice emoting, wrong species.

    Ya done good Buzz. Sucks to have to dodge a violent parent or two, but great to be on the other side (step-anything is a slog).

    It’s not nothing. Pathos builds character. I don’t envy kids who grow up sheltered from any at all.

  62. Tangential to topic: I’ve seen a few Twitter PhD’s educating the ignorant on the uncertainty inherent in the biological concept of sex. Has anyone seen any claim that chromosomal abnormality or other objectively observable phenomenon that might affect sex are behind a significant number of these cases, rather than just psychiatric causes?

    While they are very small in number, actually intersex people and similar cases seem to me to be the greatest victims of our latest craze (maybe after children with parents using them as trannies-by-proxy).

  63. @SFG
    @HammerJack

    I think that's probably true mostly at the extreme left end of the attractiveness curve. Some very omega guys may do better becoming non-binary or transgender and hanging out with the LGBTQ crowd. Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she's better off with lesbians who will be 'fat positive' and so on.

    Fluidity is a thing, but it's more of a stress response in many cases, I think. I'm sure a lot of gay guys in jail go back to women after they get out.

    Replies: @TWS, @Desiderius, @Dr Van Nostrand

    Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she’s better off with lesbians who will be ‘fat positive’ and so on.

    No, she’d be better off losing the weight and achieving the primary source of happiness for all living things instead of settling for being a mineral. Might be better off for you if you’re trying to reduce population, but not her.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    "Better off losing weight and finding a man."

    Do you have any idea how radioactive that concept is now? Does the word "Peloton" mean anything to you?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @SFG

    , @SFG
    @Desiderius

    I probably shouldn't have said 'better off' as that implies better off long-term.

    She'll have an easier time finding a lesbian rather than losing weight. As you point out, yes, losing weight is better long-term.

    It's also really hard, though. Most people can't pull it off.

    Replies: @anon

  64. @SFG
    @RichardTaylor

    You must have been athletic. Trust me, lower-tier guys find it very stressful.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Screwtape

    Fair point. I’m sure athletic inclined boys are able to direct much of the ‘stress’ of puberty into the aspirational ideal of strength and physicality. I was definitely one of those boys.

    Having small parents there was much talk about size and other physical traits growing up. As in, hope that I would have ‘growth spurts’ and avoid the terrible fate of being a short man.

    Adults have no idea how much they fixate on growth and relative size. But this really just reinforces the visceral reality of the male experience, which is that of a physically dominated hierarchy.

    I was a very gifted athlete but was obviously limited by my genes: I was a small boy.

    So I was hopeful for puberty to remedy this, which I’m sure helped alleviate much of the stress. I looked forward to it for its growth/maturation benefits lomg before the sexual aspect came into focus.

    I never got that growth spurt but I did grow. Thank god. It just took forever.

    The stress for me was not about some mysteries of manhood or fear of armpit hair.

    No, it was that nature, in her endless heartlessness, decided that a small boy would be blessed with the character-building experience of also having a long runway of puberty.

    For me and likely most boys – and girls, a great deal of stress is related to the relatively wide distribution of puberty onset as well as the earlier average onset for girls.

    As if junior high isn’t terrible enough. My years 7-9 were in one school. As a 7th grader, I was a child. Most 9th graders were somewhere on their way to manhood. Then when I finally got to be a 9th grader, puberty was on sabbatical.

    Puberty timing creates a lot of lower-tier guys and gals that may not have been otherwise.

    And also amplifies other social or physical deficits of those it either delays, or like one friend of mine, thrusts into early manhood with gifts that curry no favor with the girls.

    My experience as a ‘late-bloomer’ really ingrained a red pill reality of sexual market dynamics at an early age.

    Luckily feminist programming made sure I wouldn’t internalize it into action until my mid 30’s lol. You see, some day she will notice me and I will make a great husband for her after she is done with the big boys and bad boys. Classic romcom stuff.

    I survived. But I wouldn’t do it again. Not was high school the ‘best years’ in any shape or form. My late teens and early 20’s otoh, were ok. Suddenly I was visible. Amazing how that works.

    These poor kids today. Everything is so twisted. Two of my three nieces are in some kind of sex limbo of questioning lezz or some crap.

    Progress makes everything, including puberty, more painful.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Screwtape

    Yeah, I didn't hit puberty 'til 16. Years 12-15 not a good time, for the most part.

  65. In The Little Rascals it was the He Man Woman Haters’ Club.

    Until Alfalfa ‘got’ the girl.

  66. This whole Rowling trans flap has forced me to add a new maxim to my list:

    “I am all in favor of LGBT. I just can’t take it seriously.”

  67. @Desiderius
    @SFG


    Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she’s better off with lesbians who will be ‘fat positive’ and so on.
     
    No, she'd be better off losing the weight and achieving the primary source of happiness for all living things instead of settling for being a mineral. Might be better off for you if you're trying to reduce population, but not her.

    Replies: @njguy73, @SFG

    “Better off losing weight and finding a man.”

    Do you have any idea how radioactive that concept is now? Does the word “Peloton” mean anything to you?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @njguy73

    Yes.

    Fuck 'em all.

    Twitter isn't real life.

    , @SFG
    @njguy73

    Women still do it, they just don't advertise it on Twitter.

    Thing is, losing weight is really hard. Some people do it, many more don't. Cheap fatty tasty food is everywhere, and all our animal instincts push us in exactly the wrong direction.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer

  68. @SFG
    @HammerJack

    I think that's probably true mostly at the extreme left end of the attractiveness curve. Some very omega guys may do better becoming non-binary or transgender and hanging out with the LGBTQ crowd. Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she's better off with lesbians who will be 'fat positive' and so on.

    Fluidity is a thing, but it's more of a stress response in many cases, I think. I'm sure a lot of gay guys in jail go back to women after they get out.

    Replies: @TWS, @Desiderius, @Dr Van Nostrand

    Except that MTF trans are often very masculine makes but this is rather later in life. For unattractive males being or pretending to be gay or trans gives them social acceptability that they may not have had as you point out.

  69. @Buzz Mohawk

    Human beings enjoy an extended childhood, say, ages 7 through 11, in between infancy and puberty when nothing too dramatic happens. It’s a pretty nice time of life.
     
    That is not true if your parents are alchoholics who beat each other bloody and then come after you. You hide in the woods behind your house. You pour out your mother's vodka bottles. You remove distributor wires from her car, so she can't drive away drunk and get killed, because you are a fucking genius -- age ten -- and your father taught you what those wires do.

    Then you go crazy. Yes, nature/nurture is approximately 50/50, especially for high-IQ White boys.

    Signed,
    Exception to the Rule.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Dr Van Nostrand

    How did you get out of that pit of despair and fear?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dr Van Nostrand


    How did you get out of that pit of despair and fear?
     
    Sometimes I'm still in it. I have no children, by choice and caution. I married a stable, intelligent woman who really should have them, but it is too late now.

    We all hear about "The Opioid Crisis" and other things that are killing White drive to live and things that are destroying our will to procreate, but I tell you there have been things like this for a long time. AFAIK, that pit of despair and fear is the reason I didn't inject my particular seed into our kind.

    We were supposed to spend Christmas with my wife's parents, because her father's health was suffering and we thought we should be there. Once he got better, though, I decided we would stay home and live the life. I am a heel, because I lack those family feelings of closeness. There are millions of other people like this, though, and this comment section isn't about me.
  70. @miss marple
    @SFG

    I'm not buying your it's-safer-to-have-sex-with-another-chick theory. A drunken hornley male is never going to notice your freshman 20, stretch marks, cellulite or knot knees. Even the homeliest female will note these flaws to use against you whenever she feels like it, wherever and in front of whomever.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I’ve never seen anyone so miserable as otherwise attractive college-age women who’ve talked themselves into fashionable lesbianism.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Desiderius

    But causation in which direction?

    I think it's it girls without successful male interaction that try it out.

    They problem can be either that they're physically unattractive, or attractive, but due to their own emotional issues and lack of insight, only associate with guys who treat them like shit.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  71. @ScarletNumber

    Has there been any research on LUGs (lesbian until graduation)?
     
    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly. So a subset of women decide it is easier to be with other women than to deal with men. Then, once they graduate, they have a privileged position in the workplace due to anti-discrimination laws. Men also mature and become better mates for the women.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Duke84, @Dr Van Nostrand

    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly.

    Hmmm no. There is the 20/80 rule.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Dr Van Nostrand

    If women number 60% of the admissions to college's and universities, and if it is true that women prefer just the top 20% of the their male cohort, then a quick napkin calculation shows that those lucky few will have 7 women each, begging for intimate companionship. It's not a healthy state for society.

  72. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    My daughters all resisted the tweener phase. They had a pretty cushy childhood and were well adjusted as kids (lots of attention, good schools, music, sports, etc.). Clearly in no hurry to move to the perils of adolescence.

    I was hardly a deprived kid, but it was more typical early 60’s. I just felt like I had a lot less to lose and more to gain by growing up. I wanted a car. They want uber.

  73. @NJ Transit Commuter
    This is thought provoking. If you read Joseph Campbell’s stuff you learn that traditional cultures had a huge amount of mythology and rituals associated with puberty and the transition to adulthood. It is a stressful and confusing time. In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?

    Of course there are people who would say this is precisely the point, that cultural norms unnecessarily restricted people from having the freedom to become who they really are.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @TelfoedJohn, @JimB

    In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?

    …and replaced them with Harry Potter.

    Better to give your 7-11 year old kids Pogo comic books by Walt Kelly and Tales from Moominvalley by Tove Jansson (yes, I know she was a lesbian). They handled notions of transgender identity subtly and humanely. Also, I’d recommend Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks. Donald Duck is the ultimate angry middle class white guy and a good antidote to white privilege propaganda.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @JimB

    For those who might be interested, the entire run of Pogo comic strips are being, slowly, released in book form.

  74. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

  75. @kihowi
    I hated my puberty because of the creepy fetishization of it by adults. I remember the endless parade of books, movies and people in authority who told me, with what I can only describe as "glee", that I was supposed to rebel now. You're supposed to feel insecure and angsty and start fighting with your parents.

    I didn't want any of that. I loved my parent and just wanted to get along.

    It feels like the forerunner of the current push towards transsexuality; a social trap laid by other people to make your childhood miserable and potentially mess you up for life.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Yeah, the Prodigal Son is now normative. Rumspringa for the masses. Some progress.

  76. @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    "Better off losing weight and finding a man."

    Do you have any idea how radioactive that concept is now? Does the word "Peloton" mean anything to you?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @SFG

    Yes.

    Fuck ’em all.

    Twitter isn’t real life.

  77. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Wow, I'm sorry. I really can't imagine what that was like. You can see that if you have nature AND nurture against you, you don't stand a chance. Even in the 1 out of 2 situation it's a 50/50 thing but it's almost impossible to build a winning hand out of literally nothing.

    I've known secret drunks who quietly destroy their livers, mellow drunks who get happy when drunk but never the violent kind. You can see why the Prohibitionists wanted to treat alcohol like it was meth or fentanyl - it can be just as destructive.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Simply Simon

    “It (alcohol) can be just as destructive as meth, fentanyl.”
    Agree. War has been declared against tobacco, but alcoholism has killed many more people and ruined more family life.

  78. @RichardTaylor
    As a boy, I don't remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We're forgetting that girls are different, really, it's not just a social construct.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simply Simon, @Simply Simon, @James J. O'Meara, @Dissident

    As eah above suggests, the progressives don’t want you to believe that girls are different.

  79. @Desiderius
    @miss marple

    I've never seen anyone so miserable as otherwise attractive college-age women who've talked themselves into fashionable lesbianism.

    Replies: @anon

    But causation in which direction?

    I think it’s it girls without successful male interaction that try it out.

    They problem can be either that they’re physically unattractive, or attractive, but due to their own emotional issues and lack of insight, only associate with guys who treat them like shit.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anon

    More likely surrounded by castrati.

  80. @Dr Van Nostrand
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How did you get out of that pit of despair and fear?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    How did you get out of that pit of despair and fear?

    Sometimes I’m still in it. I have no children, by choice and caution. I married a stable, intelligent woman who really should have them, but it is too late now.

    We all hear about “The Opioid Crisis” and other things that are killing White drive to live and things that are destroying our will to procreate, but I tell you there have been things like this for a long time. AFAIK, that pit of despair and fear is the reason I didn’t inject my particular seed into our kind.

    We were supposed to spend Christmas with my wife’s parents, because her father’s health was suffering and we thought we should be there. Once he got better, though, I decided we would stay home and live the life. I am a heel, because I lack those family feelings of closeness. There are millions of other people like this, though, and this comment section isn’t about me.

  81. Hasn’t there always been a high incidence of lesbianism on private girls boarding school campuses? One girlfriend in college hailed from Dana Hall, a girls boarding high school across the street basically from Wellesley. Her chums from there who came to the same college we were in seemed like the type. Two were openly in a relationship. Isn’t this a thing?

  82. @RichardTaylor
    As a boy, I don't remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We're forgetting that girls are different, really, it's not just a social construct.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simply Simon, @Simply Simon, @James J. O'Meara, @Dissident

    I would think that the big difference between boys and girls regarding anxiety about puberty would be the girls awaiting the advent of the monthly period, something completely foreign to a male.

  83. @Duke84
    @ScarletNumber

    Why would men on campus treat women poorly? I've never seen a shred of evidence that's true.In fact it's the other way around.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @ScarletNumber

    Maybe the men that they are more attracted to treat them poorly?
    Most usually treat them pretty well (and then are ignored.)
    Or maybe it’s the result of that dastardly Haven Monahan’s recent influence?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo

    Well yes, a guy who is shooting out of his league HAS to go out of his way to treat his potential paramour well. The exception proves the rule, and all that.

  84. @Anonymous
    @Neoconned

    So you meet with lots of homosexuals.... interesting.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    I worked in the service industry near NOLA for 15 years….youd be shocked how many gays work fast food and Wal-Mart….

  85. @Kronos
    @Neoconned

    Were you one of them?

    Replies: @Neoconned

    No.

    When I worked at Pizza Hut the manager who hired me was gay. Also 3 of the drivers were either trans or bisexual….

    Other restaurants are infested w them as well. I worked the greasy hot jobs for yrs….cook, dishwasher etc

    They tend to be waiters, delivery people etc…..at least on an anecdotal level in my area

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Neoconned

    Hey, how are you making out now? Did you get out of that three jobs at the same time thing you had going? I’m hoping you did. I often wondered about that.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  86. @ScarletNumber
    @Dumbo


    there’s less stigma attached to a woman who has a fling with another woman than to a man that “experiments” with other men.
     
    That's because a woman who experiments isn't a lesbian, but a man who experiments is gay. Andrew Dice Clay put it much more eloquently, spoilered because it is NSFWYou either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Jake, @Cloudbuster, @AnotherDad

    Dice is right.

    Straight men have zero–absolutely zero–sexual interest in other men (or boys).

    If a guy has such an interest, guess what, you’re queer. A few of those guys seem to have amphorous enough feelings about women that they are “bi”, but basically the whole lot are queers.

    The deal with women seems to be more complex with lots of emotional stuff involved, complicating the picture beyond what they really want sexually.

  87. anorexic

    The traditional medical term anorectic looks better in a forum like this, lending the subject the gravity it merits. Anorexic came from the tabloids, and that’s where it should stay.

    Now watch everyone get apoplexic and say I’m being impraxical…

    or if they are from Achiever Classes

    George Carlin’s take: “Some rich cunt won’t eat!”

    • Disagree: Houston 1992
  88. @Duke84
    @SFG

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon, @MBlanc46, @njguy73

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Careful with the extrapolation.

  89. @Desiderius
    @SFG


    Similarly, if a girl is ugly enough, and these days that practically means very overweight outside of a real facial deformity, she’s better off with lesbians who will be ‘fat positive’ and so on.
     
    No, she'd be better off losing the weight and achieving the primary source of happiness for all living things instead of settling for being a mineral. Might be better off for you if you're trying to reduce population, but not her.

    Replies: @njguy73, @SFG

    I probably shouldn’t have said ‘better off’ as that implies better off long-term.

    She’ll have an easier time finding a lesbian rather than losing weight. As you point out, yes, losing weight is better long-term.

    It’s also really hard, though. Most people can’t pull it off.

    • Disagree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @anon
    @SFG

    A hot woman has to be quite careful about weight. At any given time, I's say that 1/2 of late teenage girls are dieting. The only point being the immensely popular teen series,"Hunger Games.

    In the series, food replaces sex as the focus of sensuality. Descriptions of food seem almost pornographic.

    People either are or wish they were starving themselves. Or they are starving for love, affection, meaning etc. Starvation replaces mere longing as a metaphor.

    Hunger Games also includes fake news, reality TV, and the rest of contemporary experience with a dystopian spin.

    Food has superseded sex as the central issue.

    Or rather it is reverting to hunger. CF Toby Tyler (original 1880 version) https://ia800207.us.archive.org/12/items/tobytyler07478gut/tbyty10h.htm

  90. @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    "Better off losing weight and finding a man."

    Do you have any idea how radioactive that concept is now? Does the word "Peloton" mean anything to you?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @SFG

    Women still do it, they just don’t advertise it on Twitter.

    Thing is, losing weight is really hard. Some people do it, many more don’t. Cheap fatty tasty food is everywhere, and all our animal instincts push us in exactly the wrong direction.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    @SFG

    Actually losing weight is really easy. Running feels good. Get into it. Get on your high horse and judge. The judgment feels really good.

    If you're too busy to run much, then you'll enjoy the time savings of hardly eating. Into the kitchen for a cut off a brick of cheddar, pull a drumstick off a costco chicken, and eat a few carrot sticks. In and out in 7min. Twice a day. No snacking. You drink nothing but water and unsweetened coffee/tea. It's cheap, too.

    If you are failing at both, let a healthy sense of disgust at your own body propel you to behave correctly.

  91. @Almost Missouri
    @HammerJack

    I would characterize most of the cases of Lesbian Until Graduation I have observed as follows:

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so. So they plump for the next closest thing: fashionable lesbianism. Many are merely liptstick lesbians; others are socially coerced into more performative lesbianism against their actual preferences, and often become dependent on antidepressant pharmaceuticals or worse.

    Obviously, just including old-fashioned chastity as a respectable option has worked fine for thousands of years, but the intolerant progressivism/"feminism" will not permit this particular bit of diversity.

    There is apparently sufficient pent up desire for chastity such that some of it is starting to manifest as a new social movement of "asexuality", which, like lesbianism, appears to be an amalgam of a few genuine true believers who provide an umbrella of social acceptability for chaste-aspirationals against the torrential downpour of progressivism's intolerance of any dissent.

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @AnotherDad

    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so.

    There seems to be no end to the social contortions that progressivism will inflict upon its victims: all society under its control.

    Good comment AM.

    I would say that the biggest driver of LUGs and all this infantilism is simply because … they are *supposed* to be infants until they are 30! I.e. late marriage.

    I think a lot of young women would be very, very interested in being romanced by a young man … if it was likely leading somewhere–to the altar–and therefore worth investing in emotionally.

    But … that’s not the program. The program is that they have years of career and “leaning in” ahead of them and what’s on offer is “hookups”–being a cum dump–or a series of “relationships” that everyone knows aren’t going anywhere because their “careers” will lead them off whereever and marriage is years away. And for a lot of normal girls the whole thing is pretty depressing. Most still try to find romance. Most muddle thourgh. Some just give up. And some just stick stuff in their mouths out of frustration/dissatisfaction and become “LUGs” or “asexual” or something.

    It’s almost like the “progressives” have redesigned social convetions to suppress the natural reproduction of the nation. (I’m noticing a pattern in “progressive” policy.)

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  92. @Screwtape
    @SFG

    Fair point. I’m sure athletic inclined boys are able to direct much of the ‘stress’ of puberty into the aspirational ideal of strength and physicality. I was definitely one of those boys.

    Having small parents there was much talk about size and other physical traits growing up. As in, hope that I would have ‘growth spurts’ and avoid the terrible fate of being a short man.

    Adults have no idea how much they fixate on growth and relative size. But this really just reinforces the visceral reality of the male experience, which is that of a physically dominated hierarchy.

    I was a very gifted athlete but was obviously limited by my genes: I was a small boy.

    So I was hopeful for puberty to remedy this, which I’m sure helped alleviate much of the stress. I looked forward to it for its growth/maturation benefits lomg before the sexual aspect came into focus.

    I never got that growth spurt but I did grow. Thank god. It just took forever.

    The stress for me was not about some mysteries of manhood or fear of armpit hair.

    No, it was that nature, in her endless heartlessness, decided that a small boy would be blessed with the character-building experience of also having a long runway of puberty.

    For me and likely most boys - and girls, a great deal of stress is related to the relatively wide distribution of puberty onset as well as the earlier average onset for girls.

    As if junior high isn’t terrible enough. My years 7-9 were in one school. As a 7th grader, I was a child. Most 9th graders were somewhere on their way to manhood. Then when I finally got to be a 9th grader, puberty was on sabbatical.

    Puberty timing creates a lot of lower-tier guys and gals that may not have been otherwise.

    And also amplifies other social or physical deficits of those it either delays, or like one friend of mine, thrusts into early manhood with gifts that curry no favor with the girls.

    My experience as a ‘late-bloomer’ really ingrained a red pill reality of sexual market dynamics at an early age.

    Luckily feminist programming made sure I wouldn’t internalize it into action until my mid 30’s lol. You see, some day she will notice me and I will make a great husband for her after she is done with the big boys and bad boys. Classic romcom stuff.

    I survived. But I wouldn’t do it again. Not was high school the ‘best years’ in any shape or form. My late teens and early 20’s otoh, were ok. Suddenly I was visible. Amazing how that works.

    These poor kids today. Everything is so twisted. Two of my three nieces are in some kind of sex limbo of questioning lezz or some crap.

    Progress makes everything, including puberty, more painful.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Yeah, I didn’t hit puberty ’til 16. Years 12-15 not a good time, for the most part.

  93. This might help explain why so many of fans of the Harry Potter books feel betrayed to discover that author J.K. Rowling is not a true believer in their trans-substantiation dogma.

    Is this actually true? (I’d imagine the typical Potter fan is a very heterosexually-oriented, conforming young woman.)

    Or is it just that the trannys are very, very noisy.

    Twitter is an amplifier for the noisy whiners. And if we’ve learned anything the past generation or two it’s that all these queers are a really, really noisy and obnoxious lot. They yell and whine and screech constantly and unfortunately … it’s worked!

  94. @IHTG
    The social dynamics of the Great Awokening encapsulated in a single tweet:

    https://twitter.com/BebeNeuwirth/status/1207796029258698754

    Replies: @68W58, @James J. O'Meara, @James J. O'Meara

  95. @RichardTaylor
    As a boy, I don't remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We're forgetting that girls are different, really, it's not just a social construct.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simply Simon, @Simply Simon, @James J. O'Meara, @Dissident

    On the DVD of MST3k’s Operation Kid Brother (the Bond ripoff with Sean’s brother), Joel Hodgson talks about how Bond movies made kids excited about becoming adults — there would be fast cars, booze, hot ladies, and you performed an exciting job that people admired you for.

    Fortunately, we no longer expose our children to such bigotry.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @James J. O'Meara

    They got me.

    This adulting shit sucks.

  96. @IHTG
    The social dynamics of the Great Awokening encapsulated in a single tweet:

    https://twitter.com/BebeNeuwirth/status/1207796029258698754

    Replies: @68W58, @James J. O'Meara, @James J. O'Meara

    Boy, it would have been fun to watch her freak out when she thought she was going to be unpersoned and lose her C-list (“Hey, Fraser’s bitchy wife!”) celeb status.

  97. @IHTG
    The social dynamics of the Great Awokening encapsulated in a single tweet:

    https://twitter.com/BebeNeuwirth/status/1207796029258698754

    Replies: @68W58, @James J. O'Meara, @James J. O'Meara

    Who’s the “you” she’s reassuring? Her dozen or so fans? The Anti-Sex League? Big Brother?

  98. This reminds me of when the phlegmatic adoptive father of Edward Scissorhands laments about his adolescent daughter: “They reach a certain age, they develop these gland things, their bodies swell up. They go crazy!”

    Today’s teenage girls, in my personal experience, are preoccupied with gender dysphoria. I don’t get it. I couldn’t wait to develop muscle mass, facial hair, and chest hair when I was a teen, but girls for whatever reason often resent their womanly curves, particularly White girls.

  99. @Duke84
    @SFG

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon, @MBlanc46, @njguy73

    Sample number – one ?

  100. @Duke84
    @ScarletNumber

    Why would men on campus treat women poorly? I've never seen a shred of evidence that's true.In fact it's the other way around.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @ScarletNumber

    Why would men on campus treat women poorly?

    Because men are more immature than women at that age. Combine that with their numerical advantage and Bob’s your uncle.

  101. @Dumbo
    @Duke84

    Maybe the men that they are more attracted to treat them poorly?
    Most usually treat them pretty well (and then are ignored.)
    Or maybe it's the result of that dastardly Haven Monahan's recent influence?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Well yes, a guy who is shooting out of his league HAS to go out of his way to treat his potential paramour well. The exception proves the rule, and all that.

  102. @SFG
    @njguy73

    Women still do it, they just don't advertise it on Twitter.

    Thing is, losing weight is really hard. Some people do it, many more don't. Cheap fatty tasty food is everywhere, and all our animal instincts push us in exactly the wrong direction.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer

    Actually losing weight is really easy. Running feels good. Get into it. Get on your high horse and judge. The judgment feels really good.

    If you’re too busy to run much, then you’ll enjoy the time savings of hardly eating. Into the kitchen for a cut off a brick of cheddar, pull a drumstick off a costco chicken, and eat a few carrot sticks. In and out in 7min. Twice a day. No snacking. You drink nothing but water and unsweetened coffee/tea. It’s cheap, too.

    If you are failing at both, let a healthy sense of disgust at your own body propel you to behave correctly.

  103. @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    No.

    When I worked at Pizza Hut the manager who hired me was gay. Also 3 of the drivers were either trans or bisexual....

    Other restaurants are infested w them as well. I worked the greasy hot jobs for yrs....cook, dishwasher etc

    They tend to be waiters, delivery people etc.....at least on an anecdotal level in my area

    Replies: @JMcG

    Hey, how are you making out now? Did you get out of that three jobs at the same time thing you had going? I’m hoping you did. I often wondered about that.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @JMcG

    Currently in the casino business.

    I have a side job at a seafood restaurant though. I'm just naturally a workaholic.

    Doing better than I was & feel blessed to now be a dad as well. My daughter will probably be my only 1 though as I'm now in my mid 30s.

    Trying to land a new gig though. A friend is trying to get me on with his company crew. They travel around and do store remodels & that sorta thing. Its a grand a week. If I get the job I'm going to take it.

    Replies: @JMcG

  104. @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine's Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she's 10.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Red Pill Angel, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Alden

    Greta’s parents aren’t just vegetarians they’re vegans. An 18 month old baby recently died of starvation because of vegan parents. He weighed 17 pounds, just 10 pounds more that he weighed at birth. His siblings are now in the care of child protective services. They’re severely malnourished.

    Greta will probably never achieve puberty due to childhood vegan malnourishment. At 16 she won’t grow either. She looks like a normal 10 year old 4’ 9 70 80 pounds. Plus her face has that special Ed look.

  105. @TelfoedJohn
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    What were the puberty rituals that Campbell discussed?

    Replies: @Alden

    Gross, disgusting dangerous and traumatizing.

  106. I’d like to suggest a new Sailerism: the flight from femininity. I think it’s due in large part to a half century of brainwashing females into thinking motherhood is the most miserable and soul-destroying fate to which one could succumb.

  107. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Desiderius

    I probably shouldn't have said 'better off' as that implies better off long-term.

    She'll have an easier time finding a lesbian rather than losing weight. As you point out, yes, losing weight is better long-term.

    It's also really hard, though. Most people can't pull it off.

    Replies: @anon

    A hot woman has to be quite careful about weight. At any given time, I’s say that 1/2 of late teenage girls are dieting. The only point being the immensely popular teen series,”Hunger Games.

    In the series, food replaces sex as the focus of sensuality. Descriptions of food seem almost pornographic.

    People either are or wish they were starving themselves. Or they are starving for love, affection, meaning etc. Starvation replaces mere longing as a metaphor.

    Hunger Games also includes fake news, reality TV, and the rest of contemporary experience with a dystopian spin.

    Food has superseded sex as the central issue.

    Or rather it is reverting to hunger. CF Toby Tyler (original 1880 version) https://ia800207.us.archive.org/12/items/tobytyler07478gut/tbyty10h.htm

  108. @anon
    @Desiderius

    But causation in which direction?

    I think it's it girls without successful male interaction that try it out.

    They problem can be either that they're physically unattractive, or attractive, but due to their own emotional issues and lack of insight, only associate with guys who treat them like shit.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    More likely surrounded by castrati.

  109. @Duke84
    @SFG

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon, @MBlanc46, @njguy73

    The vast majority of women have some very negative feelings toward men. Some women really hate men.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @MBlanc46

    By and large instinctive shit tests to screen out weak men/display lesser likelihood of cucking. Men have come a long way but still have a ways to go to relearn the dance/let go of socialization that hurts their chances (anti-game).

    Nice time to be a man with good instincts and/or who has done his homework. Competition not what it was historically and women are drawn to a man who knows what he's doing - especially if he can help her out of her own dead end.

    Replies: @njguy73

  110. @JimB
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need to develop normally?
     
    ...and replaced them with Harry Potter.

    Better to give your 7-11 year old kids Pogo comic books by Walt Kelly and Tales from Moominvalley by Tove Jansson (yes, I know she was a lesbian). They handled notions of transgender identity subtly and humanely. Also, I’d recommend Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks. Donald Duck is the ultimate angry middle class white guy and a good antidote to white privilege propaganda.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    For those who might be interested, the entire run of Pogo comic strips are being, slowly, released in book form.

  111. @MBlanc46
    @Duke84

    The vast majority of women have some very negative feelings toward men. Some women really hate men.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    By and large instinctive shit tests to screen out weak men/display lesser likelihood of cucking. Men have come a long way but still have a ways to go to relearn the dance/let go of socialization that hurts their chances (anti-game).

    Nice time to be a man with good instincts and/or who has done his homework. Competition not what it was historically and women are drawn to a man who knows what he’s doing – especially if he can help her out of her own dead end.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    Help a woman out if her own dead end.

    That's what I thought I could do.

    Man, I would so not do that again.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  112. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Almost Missouri


    In the intolerant hothouse environment of the modern college, old-fashioned chastity is forbidden or at least extremely socially deprecated. Nevertheless, many young women would like to be chaste, but they are not allowed to or lack the courage to do so.
     
    They definitely lack the courage, and will. They may face what they undoubtedly imagine to be "enormous" pressure to conform, but young women can do whatever the Hell they want. As they never tire of informing us.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    And are we now taking ditzy young women at their word?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    And are we now taking ditzy young women at their word?

    At the society-wide level we've been doing that for 50, 75, 100 years or so.

  113. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Harry Baldwin


    Speaking of remaining childlike, is there any evidence that TIME magazine’s Person of the Year has passed through puberty? I have never seen a 16-year-old (17 on 01/03/2020) who looks like she’s 10.

     

    Her physical appearance bears testimony to the trauma of her mental and emotional troubles. She is reported (by her own account, it appears) to have stopped eating for a while when she was about 11 years old, which may well have stunted her growth and development. She's still a vegan, which also can't help.

    But hey, who better to retain as a consultant on how to run the world?

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Kronos, @Redneck farmer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Morton's toes, @Rapparee

    Joe Rogan, in one of his specials, did a bit about the damage that vegan cat-owners do to their pets, and how sickly and weak the animals appear in every photograph. Humans are far more omnivorous than purely carnivorous cats, of course, but we’ve been eating meat continuously for at least 2 or 3 million years or so, and basic Darwinian logic suggests we’ve probably adapted to where good for us. Even the most ascetic of Medieval monasteries usually allowed exceptions for meat on Fridays and other days of abstinence for brothers who were sickly or ailing.

  114. @James J. O'Meara
    @RichardTaylor

    On the DVD of MST3k's Operation Kid Brother (the Bond ripoff with Sean's brother), Joel Hodgson talks about how Bond movies made kids excited about becoming adults -- there would be fast cars, booze, hot ladies, and you performed an exciting job that people admired you for.

    Fortunately, we no longer expose our children to such bigotry.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    They got me.

    This adulting shit sucks.

  115. There might be some evidence to back this theory up. I’ve seemed to notice that the “F-to-whatever” trannies seem much more likely to become some sort of “they” or “nonbinary” or “xir” or something than they are to try to play-act as men. It’s a pattern that seems as typically-rooted in biological sex as the “autogynephile/ladyboy/autist” trichotomy is among MTF trannies.

  116. @JMcG
    @Neoconned

    Hey, how are you making out now? Did you get out of that three jobs at the same time thing you had going? I’m hoping you did. I often wondered about that.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Currently in the casino business.

    I have a side job at a seafood restaurant though. I’m just naturally a workaholic.

    Doing better than I was & feel blessed to now be a dad as well. My daughter will probably be my only 1 though as I’m now in my mid 30s.

    Trying to land a new gig though. A friend is trying to get me on with his company crew. They travel around and do store remodels & that sorta thing. Its a grand a week. If I get the job I’m going to take it.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Neoconned

    Glad to hear it- I hope things go well for you. I had my first at 37 and my fourth at 42. Nothing better in the world. Good luck!

  117. @Desiderius
    @MBlanc46

    By and large instinctive shit tests to screen out weak men/display lesser likelihood of cucking. Men have come a long way but still have a ways to go to relearn the dance/let go of socialization that hurts their chances (anti-game).

    Nice time to be a man with good instincts and/or who has done his homework. Competition not what it was historically and women are drawn to a man who knows what he's doing - especially if he can help her out of her own dead end.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Help a woman out if her own dead end.

    That’s what I thought I could do.

    Man, I would so not do that again.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @njguy73

    Thought you could isn't nearly good enough. That makes you a mark.

    If you actually do it, that's attractive, then you decide if she's a good prospect from there based on family, friends, several other cues.

  118. @Duke84
    @SFG

    The vast majority of women hate men.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon, @MBlanc46, @njguy73

    No, women hate the vast majority of men.

  119. @Dr Van Nostrand
    @ScarletNumber


    The problem for college women is that they outnumber the men on campus. Therefore the men treat the women poorly.
     
    Hmmm no. There is the 20/80 rule.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    If women number 60% of the admissions to college’s and universities, and if it is true that women prefer just the top 20% of the their male cohort, then a quick napkin calculation shows that those lucky few will have 7 women each, begging for intimate companionship. It’s not a healthy state for society.

  120. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    "In modern society, have we lost the psychological and mythological anchors young people need...?"

    Hah, if only. In modern society, we have lost EVERYTHING young people need.

    Or, put another way, young people have lost /everything/. Which was more or less stolen from them, by Boomers and their pet infinity immigrants.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Or, put another way, young people have lost /everything/. Which was more or less stolen from them, by Boomers and their pet infinity immigrants.

    Boomers have made their mistakes. I am not a boomer. However, the oldest Boomers were 20 in 1965 and too young to serve in the Congress when the immigration bill passed into law. Boomers were actually the first victims.

  121. “Rowling is a pretty normal grown-up lady. In contrast, among her biggest fans, they associate Harry Potter with feelings of childhood security and stasis, which, bizarre as it may sound, their transmania is seen in their eyes as prolonging.”

    Also

    “Thus the transgender fad is a little like anorexia, which tends to hit young females from high achieving households. Extreme slenderness seems to them like a way to be fashionable and superior while fending off the feared changes that come with womanhood.”

    I can’t say that I entirety blame them. Becoming a woman has always been difficult, and our marketing-driven modern culture has made it even more so.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Not Raul

    It isn't easy being a woman, particularly if one began as a man.

  122. @nymom
    That might explain the girls but most of the transvestites I've noticed are men switching to being women. Maybe because they are higher profile being either sports figures or in entertainment, I'm not sure.

    Anyway it seems to be to be just another symptom of the chronic attention whoring/seeking that goes on today enabled by U-Tube channels and social media where everybody can pretend to be a newscaster or a movie star...for their 5 minutes of fame anyway.

    I think if we stop paying so much attention to it, it will just lessen/stop. Maybe...At least that's what the nuns used to say in my school when I was a kid. That was their remedy for every deviant behavior, ignore it.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    I think if we stop paying so much attention to it, it will just lessen/stop. Maybe…At least that’s what the nuns used to say in my school when I was a kid. That was their remedy for every deviant behavior, ignore it.

    This actually is an important idea.

    Attention is a psychological reinforcement for people. Ignoring stuff can help reduce it. Also, removing stuff from view, aka quietly kicking weirdos out of regular school. There have always been places for the weirdos generally focused on getting them to stop or reduce the weirdness.

  123. @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    Help a woman out if her own dead end.

    That's what I thought I could do.

    Man, I would so not do that again.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Thought you could isn’t nearly good enough. That makes you a mark.

    If you actually do it, that’s attractive, then you decide if she’s a good prospect from there based on family, friends, several other cues.

  124. @Not Raul
    “Rowling is a pretty normal grown-up lady. In contrast, among her biggest fans, they associate Harry Potter with feelings of childhood security and stasis, which, bizarre as it may sound, their transmania is seen in their eyes as prolonging.”

    Also

    “Thus the transgender fad is a little like anorexia, which tends to hit young females from high achieving households. Extreme slenderness seems to them like a way to be fashionable and superior while fending off the feared changes that come with womanhood.”

    I can’t say that I entirety blame them. Becoming a woman has always been difficult, and our marketing-driven modern culture has made it even more so.

    Replies: @Ray P

    It isn’t easy being a woman, particularly if one began as a man.

  125. @Almost Missouri
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    And are we now taking ditzy young women at their word?

    Replies: @anon

    And are we now taking ditzy young women at their word?

    At the society-wide level we’ve been doing that for 50, 75, 100 years or so.

  126. Anon[342] • Disclaimer says:

    Richard Taylor:
    “But there wasn’t anything about the physical process of puberty itself that I minded. I don’t think many teen boys wish they were kids again.”

    Well, I daresay that some boys miss being able to enjoy certain pleasures without having to deal with a slimy mess…

  127. @RichardTaylor
    As a boy, I don't remember anxiety about puberty, probably because it was the gateway to size, strength and being a man. And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    We're forgetting that girls are different, really, it's not just a social construct.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simply Simon, @Simply Simon, @James J. O'Meara, @Dissident

    And sex looked like a pretty awesome deal.

    The Fourth Earl of Chesterfield apparently didn’t think so.
    “the pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.”

  128. @Neoconned
    @JMcG

    Currently in the casino business.

    I have a side job at a seafood restaurant though. I'm just naturally a workaholic.

    Doing better than I was & feel blessed to now be a dad as well. My daughter will probably be my only 1 though as I'm now in my mid 30s.

    Trying to land a new gig though. A friend is trying to get me on with his company crew. They travel around and do store remodels & that sorta thing. Its a grand a week. If I get the job I'm going to take it.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Glad to hear it- I hope things go well for you. I had my first at 37 and my fourth at 42. Nothing better in the world. Good luck!

  129. lesbianism is extremely rare, only about 1% of women self identify as lesbians, while 3-4% of men self identify as gay

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