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Something that very few Americans are aware of is how incredibly consistent the racial gap in school test scores is. I’m constantly reading articles from across the country about local school leaders puzzling over why their district happens to be plagued with a racial gap in school achievement. “What are we doing wrong?” they wonder.

But racial gaps are almost universal. I’ve been looking for years for a school where blacks outperform whites, and … I’ve finally found one!

It’s right here in the San Fernando Valley, which fits with my walking-down-the-street observation that San Fernando Valley blacks are pretty close to what postwar liberals like movie director Stanley Kramer hoped for a half century ago. It’s an LAUSD elementary school named Carpenter. It’s only 4% black, but 86% of the three dozen black students score “proficient” or “advanced” on their state English test versus 75% of the white students.

Carpenter is in the posh district at the base of the Hollywood Hills, south of Ventura Boulevard and east of Laurel Canyon, near Jerry Pournelle’s house. If you follow the Twitter account Los Feliz Daycare, you’ll understand Carpenter’s demographics. In 2013, Sandy Banks wrote in the L.A. Times:

Part of what accounts for Carpenter’s high achievement is not mysterious at all. It’s not burdened with social and economic problems. Its demographic profile is nothing like a typical Los Angeles school.

Carpenter is 78% white in a district that is 73% Latino. Only 7% of its students are from families poor enough to qualify for free lunch; three-quarters of district students are. And only 5% of its pupils don’t speak English, in a district where one-third of students aren’t fluent English speakers.

But parents insist that something less tangible is more important to its success. “It’s the sense of community,” said Rebecca Silverstein, whose two children — Milo, 9, and Poppy, 6 — raved about their teachers and their campus.

Awesome names.

I interviewed them as they walked home from the school with its white picket fence, along one of the narrow streets winding up into the Hollywood Hills.

The school and the community have “a small-town feel,” Silverstein said. “You go to school with your neighbors. Your children play on the same sports teams. You go to a school event and see the family that lives next door.”

I’ve often pointed out that the entertainment industry, along with the sports industry, attracts the highest achieving blacks.

 
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  1. “Milo, 9, and Poppy,”.
    Milo And Otis, the cat and dog movie.
    Milo the milk drink in the Brit Colonies.
    Poppy = grandfather/opium flower.
    Were ‘Gary’ and ‘Sharon’ already taken?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Milo from The Phantom Tollbooth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Tollbooth

  2. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Milo, 9, and Poppy,".
    Milo And Otis, the cat and dog movie.
    Milo the milk drink in the Brit Colonies.
    Poppy = grandfather/opium flower.
    Were 'Gary' and 'Sharon' already taken?

    Milo from The Phantom Tollbooth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Tollbooth

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Dr. Milo, from Escape from the Planet of the Apes?

    In the Planet of the Apes movie series, Dr. Milo is a genius chimpanzee scientist and a renegade who spurns the intellectual and technological limits placed on the ape society. He was portrayed in Escape from the Planet of the Apes by actor Sal Mineo, in one of his last roles.
     
    Or baby chimp Milo, named after Dr. Milo, subsequently renamed Caesar?

    Milo, better known as Caesar, is a fictional character in the Planet of the Apes franchise. He is named after Julius Caesar.
    He appeared as a baby in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, voiced by Walker Edmiston.
    He is the leader (and chief instigator) of the ape revolution in the fourth installment, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.
    He is the ruler of Ape City in the fifth film, Battle for the Planet of the Apes. He was portrayed in both movies by the late actor Roddy McDowall, who had also played his father Cornelius in both Planet of the Apes and Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

     

    , @Olorin
    My first thought (dating myself immediately) was Milo Minderbinder, but I cannot imagine any school-age-children parent named Silverstein in LA going there.

    With the connection in place my brain supplies: "No one is trying to kill you, sweetheart. Now eat your dessert like a good boy."

    But why did they name the other kid after GHW Bush?
  3. Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future ‘black’ actors and musicians loyal to the tribe.

    Drake
    A bunch of actresses

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Who? Which actresses? Jennifer Lawrence? Who? Don't know what you're reading to come to that conclusion.

    Actually, very few Jewish women marry black, or outside the tribe at all. Most synagogues don't have a significant mulatto representation.
    , @Stan Adams
    Isn't it all about sticking it to their fathers?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTAY40Zkh-M#t=1m14s
    , @Clyde

    Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future ‘black’ actors and musicians loyal to the tribe
     
    Just as many black dudes upward to lighten up their offspring. Stupid jew girls living for the moment or and for an\ situation that will not pan out 95% of the time.
  4. What kind of white people live there?

  5. Poppy is a very popular name for girls in the UK at the moment.

  6. We’ve hit magic dirt here lads! Quickly, Section 8 vouchers to the rescue!

  7. http://boards.4chan.org/pol/

    POL IS REPORTING THAT SHOOTER IS MUSLIM.

    PRAISE BE TO KEK

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    Of course he was Muslim. He was probably gay too, or a wannabee. And mentally ill.

    The history of presidential assassins indicates that while most of them have been mentally ill, they have also been influenced by the political events of their time.
  8. @Steve Sailer
    Milo from The Phantom Tollbooth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Tollbooth

    Dr. Milo, from Escape from the Planet of the Apes?

    In the Planet of the Apes movie series, Dr. Milo is a genius chimpanzee scientist and a renegade who spurns the intellectual and technological limits placed on the ape society. He was portrayed in Escape from the Planet of the Apes by actor Sal Mineo, in one of his last roles.

    Or baby chimp Milo, named after Dr. Milo, subsequently renamed Caesar?

    Milo, better known as Caesar, is a fictional character in the Planet of the Apes franchise. He is named after Julius Caesar.
    He appeared as a baby in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, voiced by Walker Edmiston.
    He is the leader (and chief instigator) of the ape revolution in the fourth installment, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.
    He is the ruler of Ape City in the fifth film, Battle for the Planet of the Apes. He was portrayed in both movies by the late actor Roddy McDowall, who had also played his father Cornelius in both Planet of the Apes and Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

    • Replies: @gruff
    Milo Goes to College, by the Descendents.
  9. What about Sidwell Friends School?

    • Replies: @FirkinRidiculous
    Ditto!
  10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager#Personal_life

    On December 12, 2012, Henry and Jenna Hager announced on the The Today Show that they were expecting their first child.[30][31][32] Their first daughter, Margaret Laura “Mila” Hager, was born in April 2013, in New York City.[33] Their second daughter was born in August 2015.[34] She is named Poppy Louise Hager, “Poppy” being President George H.W. Bush’s childhood nickname.[35]

  11. Cowboy lassoes thief.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/06/bike_thief_wrangler_is_a_legit_cowboy_tbh.html

    The CNN version of the story refuses to give the (Hispanic) name of the suspect or that he is a wastrel transient from Seattle.

    • Replies: @HA
    >The CNN version of the story refuses to give the (Hispanic) name of the suspect or that he is a wastrel transient from Seattle.

    Wait for the backlash: if the suspect decides to sue the white-jock cowboy for bodily injury, and subjecting him to the risk of a snapped neck or strangling had the rope slipped, we'll hear more, with some added background violins.

    I'm actually a little surprised they both weren't taken into custody. I would have thought that Seattle and the UK were kind of comparable when it comes to frowning upon "disproportionate" resistance to thieves and burglars. At least he didn't use a gun to stop him. Maybe that is why he is still free.

  12. Leftist conservative [AKA "corporate slave wandering down fluorescent hallway"] says: • Website

    Carpenter is in the posh district at the base of the Hollywood Hills, south of Ventura Boulevard and east of Laurel Canyon, near Jerry Pournelle’s house.

    I believe that posh district is also extremely close to where steve sailer lives.

  13. There is nothing wrong with being called Milo (something one would expect in Germany or Yougoslavia, reminds me of Catch-22, too) or Poppy (something one would expect in the UK).

    > near Jerry Pournelle’s house

    Woah, Jerry Pournelle is still known?

    I liked “Footfall” but “Falkenberg’s Legion” went a bit too far into military fantasy.

  14. Poppy Harlow is one of the few faces at CNN at I can stomach, along with Erin Burnett. The serious one with the goofy name, and the goofy one with the serious name. I fear time will ruin them both as well.

    Miss Harlow appears to be the product of the little-noticed-or-discussed WASP upper crust of the Twin Cities. She went to either Blake or Breck– I can never keep the two straight, and know of no reason to. True to preppy-girl stereotype, “Poppy” isn’t her real name, but a nickname from infancy that will last her till her final days. She was christened Katharine Julia.

    Calling Whit Stillman…

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Calling Whit Stillman…
     
    Just saw Love & Friendship, Stillman's adaptation of Jane Austen's Lady Susan. It was pretty good. Plus, it was nice to see uber-WASP Stillman finally getting a crack at his beloved Jane.
  15. I’d wonder how many of the “White” students are international and/or hispanic.

  16. Now watch the media’s desperate scramble to pin it on Trump.

  17. Poppy is a very popular name for girls in the UK at the moment.

    In South African white culture Poppy is a pejorative term for a certain type of vacuous white Afrikaner female who trades on her femininity. Sort of close to saying ‘dumb blond’.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I would admit every single white South African who wanted to come to America, vacuous or otherwise.
  18. As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate “journalists’” belts and shoe strings. They’ll be on suicide watch for a spell.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election."

    Five months before our election, but just 11 days before an election in the United Kingdom to decide whether that country stays in or out of the European Union, during a time when one of the hottest issues is the debate over stopping a flood of refugees large numbers of whom are coming from Afghanistan, and almost all of whom are Muslim.

    Gays are probably more likely than most Brits to favor remaining in the EU. Suddenly they realize they do have a dog in the fight against immigration, at least of the Muslim variety.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    Five months is an eon in politics. Don't worry, they'll come up with some BS to blame it on Trump (he must have stirred the waters by bringing bigotry to the fore). Never mind that he has never condoned violence or hatred, just like its his fault when Bernie or Hillary supporters violently attack Trump supporters at each Trump rally.

    At the very least, they'll claim its an educational moment about 'the culture of guns' in America, press for more gun control, and say its the right wing nuts fault.

    Well, at least there's 51 fewer Hillary voters now.

    , @Felix.

    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate “journalists’” belts and shoe strings. They’ll be on suicide watch for a spell.
     
    No kidding. Someone should keep an eye out for Steve, as well. Here he is in his moment of triumph, and Omar "Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it" Mateen comes in and steals his thunder in this very thread.
  19. Trump’s Luck strikes again.

  20. We have a winner.

    My open bet of $100 to anyone who could find one (1) school in the entire United States in which blacks outscore whites has been won by Steve Sailer.

    Steve, the money will be on its way when I get home from church today.

  21. Speaking of Whit Stillman, his new movie Love and Friendship is pretty good. Kate Beckinsale gets all the good lines and delivers them in a low velvety tone. She is also gorgeous.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I liked her in Last Days of Disco. That was before her illegitimate child however.
  22. OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    • Replies: @biz
    Muslims top gays. That's been obvious for a while now. For example the LGBT groups at Goldsmith's in London have sponsored anti-gay Islamic preachers in the name of standing up to "Islamophobia."
    , @Anonym
    I wonder how many gays it takes to cheat a Greek.

    Maybe 'shame' can be the verb in the identity politics pokemon points game. E.g. It takes 10 cishetero white males to shame a white woman. It takes 10 white women to shame a gay. It takes 10 women to shame a Jew. It takes 10 Jews to shame a gay. It takes 10 gays to shame a Mexican. It takes 10 Mexicans to shame a black. And it takes 10 blacks to shame a Muslim.

    And hopefully, it takes one Trump to trump them all.

    , @flyingtiger
    In the USA the victim list seems to be:
    1) gays
    2) Muslims
    3) womyn
    4)Hispanic
    5) Blacks
    , @Daniel H
    >>Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    In Europe, no. But let's see how this plays out. Game-changer? Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an "American citizen", as if that makes any difference. In fact this incident makes the case for those of us who understand what Islam is all about, that there is no hope of "assimilating" Islam. Yes, individual Muslims can appear to be assimilated to civilized norms but as long as they are in Islam's orbit they can turn into monsters if they get a little religion.

    It will be a game-changer with the abortion issue if "science" discovers a way to determine if a fetus is likely to turn out gay.
    , @Anonymous
    No. Muslim trump gays, no question about it. The only interesting question left is Muslims vs blacks.
  23. OT, someone may have posted this already

    Florida gay bar shooter is Omar Mateen, son of Afghan immigrants.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

    “A U.S. citizen born to Afghan immigrant parents has been reportedly named by law enforcement as the man who killed 20 and took others hostage last night. Omar Mateen of Port Saint Luice, Florida has been identified as the gunman who killed 20 people at a Orlando nightclub, CBS News, the Washington Post, and NBC News report, citing law enforcement officials. Mateen is a U.S. citizen; his parents are from Afghanistan, CBS News reports. FBI Agent Ron Hopper told reporters Mateen may have leanings towards Islamic extremism.”

    In the UK, newly-arrived Syrians are integrating well.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637105/Why-did-police-quiet-sex-attack-Syrian-UK-refugees-Girl-14-assaulted-gang-kept-crime-list-covered-BBC-Newsnight-team.html

    http://www.mo4ch.com/girl-was-assaulted-by-gang-of-syrians-but-it-was-kept-off-bbc-newsnight-crime-list/

    The case was covered by the BBC for the first time on Friday as part of a Newsnight series tracking the progress of two Syrian families who had been resettled in Britain. In the first programme of the series, broadcast on November 17, Newsnight reporter Katie Razzall met a family in a refugee camp in Jordan as they prepared to move to Glasgow. Then in a follow-up on November 26, it showed Badreddin’s family for the first time.

    In a video clip since deleted from the BBC iPlayer and YouTube, Newsnight said it would be ‘introducing you to the second family from Syria who we’ll be following. They’ve just arrived in Newcastle’.

    Nothing more was heard until Friday night when presenter Evan Davis told viewers: ‘We have to report things have taken a disturbing turn. The teenage son was in court today charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.’

    • Replies: @fish
    Seen elsewhere.....


    "Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric caused this totally US Citizen to strike out against things that represent Trump most greatly, Gay Dance Clubs playing Electronica"
     
    , @reiner Tor
    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.
    , @Kylie
    I wonder how many of the Muslim shooter's victims were disgusted by and contemptuous of the closed borders POV.

    Bet many if not most were all for open borders, inclusion, outreach to Muslims, tolerance, diversity, etc.
  24. Huge shooting in Orlando club. 20 dead and 42 injured. Suspect is son of Afghan immigrants. Authorities believe he may have ties to Islamic radicalism.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Turns out the death toll has risen. 50 dead and 53 injured.
    , @reiner Tor
    Hoocoodanode? Trump just got lucky, it was impossible to know that another peace-worshipper would go on a rampage.
    , @Kat Grey
    Another son of immigrant parents who were given shelter in the west. And shows his gratitude by killing and maiming its citizens.
  25. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT, someone may have posted this already

    Florida gay bar shooter is Omar Mateen, son of Afghan immigrants.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

    "A U.S. citizen born to Afghan immigrant parents has been reportedly named by law enforcement as the man who killed 20 and took others hostage last night. Omar Mateen of Port Saint Luice, Florida has been identified as the gunman who killed 20 people at a Orlando nightclub, CBS News, the Washington Post, and NBC News report, citing law enforcement officials. Mateen is a U.S. citizen; his parents are from Afghanistan, CBS News reports. FBI Agent Ron Hopper told reporters Mateen may have leanings towards Islamic extremism."

    In the UK, newly-arrived Syrians are integrating well.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637105/Why-did-police-quiet-sex-attack-Syrian-UK-refugees-Girl-14-assaulted-gang-kept-crime-list-covered-BBC-Newsnight-team.html

    http://www.mo4ch.com/girl-was-assaulted-by-gang-of-syrians-but-it-was-kept-off-bbc-newsnight-crime-list/


    The case was covered by the BBC for the first time on Friday as part of a Newsnight series tracking the progress of two Syrian families who had been resettled in Britain. In the first programme of the series, broadcast on November 17, Newsnight reporter Katie Razzall met a family in a refugee camp in Jordan as they prepared to move to Glasgow. Then in a follow-up on November 26, it showed Badreddin’s family for the first time.

    In a video clip since deleted from the BBC iPlayer and YouTube, Newsnight said it would be ‘introducing you to the second family from Syria who we’ll be following. They’ve just arrived in Newcastle’.

    Nothing more was heard until Friday night when presenter Evan Davis told viewers: ‘We have to report things have taken a disturbing turn. The teenage son was in court today charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.’
     

    Seen elsewhere…..

    “Trump’s anti immigrant rhetoric caused this totally US Citizen to strike out against things that represent Trump most greatly, Gay Dance Clubs playing Electronica”

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    Huge shooting in Orlando club. 20 dead and 42 injured. Suspect is son of Afghan immigrants. Authorities believe he may have ties to Islamic radicalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ2Y9bqd6xk

    Turns out the death toll has risen. 50 dead and 53 injured.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Gosh, this man knew his trade.

    Unlike the 'tough as shit' Chicago gangbangers.
    , @DCThrowback
    Exactly, I am sure he operated alone, with no help, from anyone else. I mean, it only took 9 SWAT team members to bring him down, plus a "distracting" explosive device.
  27. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT, someone may have posted this already

    Florida gay bar shooter is Omar Mateen, son of Afghan immigrants.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

    "A U.S. citizen born to Afghan immigrant parents has been reportedly named by law enforcement as the man who killed 20 and took others hostage last night. Omar Mateen of Port Saint Luice, Florida has been identified as the gunman who killed 20 people at a Orlando nightclub, CBS News, the Washington Post, and NBC News report, citing law enforcement officials. Mateen is a U.S. citizen; his parents are from Afghanistan, CBS News reports. FBI Agent Ron Hopper told reporters Mateen may have leanings towards Islamic extremism."

    In the UK, newly-arrived Syrians are integrating well.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637105/Why-did-police-quiet-sex-attack-Syrian-UK-refugees-Girl-14-assaulted-gang-kept-crime-list-covered-BBC-Newsnight-team.html

    http://www.mo4ch.com/girl-was-assaulted-by-gang-of-syrians-but-it-was-kept-off-bbc-newsnight-crime-list/


    The case was covered by the BBC for the first time on Friday as part of a Newsnight series tracking the progress of two Syrian families who had been resettled in Britain. In the first programme of the series, broadcast on November 17, Newsnight reporter Katie Razzall met a family in a refugee camp in Jordan as they prepared to move to Glasgow. Then in a follow-up on November 26, it showed Badreddin’s family for the first time.

    In a video clip since deleted from the BBC iPlayer and YouTube, Newsnight said it would be ‘introducing you to the second family from Syria who we’ll be following. They’ve just arrived in Newcastle’.

    Nothing more was heard until Friday night when presenter Evan Davis told viewers: ‘We have to report things have taken a disturbing turn. The teenage son was in court today charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.’
     

    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.

    • Replies: @biz
    That is all exactly what they are saying at Daily Kos right now, and no, they are not parodying themselves.
    , @Jeff
    I saw somewhere that the shooter is first-gen American. It's not just those that immigrate, but their descendants as well...
    , @SFG
    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone's occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It's not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that's very hard to convince a liberal of.
    , @Anonymous
    You forgot suicide vests!!!!

    They must be banned too.
  28. @reiner Tor
    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.

    That is all exactly what they are saying at Daily Kos right now, and no, they are not parodying themselves.

  29. I believe this is the source data:
    http://caaspp.cde.ca.gov/SB2015/ViewReport?ps=true&lstTestYear=2015&lstTestType=B&lstCounty=19&lstDistrict=64733-1235&lstSchool=6016356&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1
    Select the ethnicity drop down and then expand the racial categories desired.
    Unfortunately detailed results aren’t given for groups of fewer than ten students (e.g. most minorities by grade).

  30. OT Pulse Night Club.

    Well, the Totem Pole devotees really have to choose between the poofies and the mozzies.

    On another note, it’s the best recruiting sergeant Donald Trump could ever hope for.

  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    Huge shooting in Orlando club. 20 dead and 42 injured. Suspect is son of Afghan immigrants. Authorities believe he may have ties to Islamic radicalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ2Y9bqd6xk

    Hoocoodanode? Trump just got lucky, it was impossible to know that another peace-worshipper would go on a rampage.

  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    Turns out the death toll has risen. 50 dead and 53 injured.

    Gosh, this man knew his trade.

    Unlike the ‘tough as shit’ Chicago gangbangers.

  33. @reiner Tor
    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.

    I saw somewhere that the shooter is first-gen American. It’s not just those that immigrate, but their descendants as well…

  34. Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that’s a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 – The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 – The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don’t need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 – The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it’s basically Trump’s fault.

    #4 – The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so “invade the world, invite the world” is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won’t be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of “things to do” will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn’t involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It’s a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @candid_observer
    I agree that the usual suspects in the media will find a way to blame this on something other than Islam radicalism.

    But who is going to be convinced?

    In the end, when the media pushes its agenda where it becomes absurd on its face, it's the media that loses.

    Even the guy with the megaphone has to worry about his credibility.
    , @Dirk Dagger
    From the JFK/LHO playbook: the Climate of Hate created by TrumpHitler and his facist supporters lead to this tragedy.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    This shooting is another case of the rise of "intersectionality". Liberals had better get used to it, these sorts of things are only going to increase as they bring in more diversity, intentionally mix communities, and encourage minorities to throw violent temper tantrums as a solution to whatever they want. Not to mention the great wisdom of importing people who hate the US, whom we have recently been in a lengthy war with, who have a culture of violent terrorist activity, and a culture/religion which places their values directly at odds with much of what is going on in the West these days.

    Ironic isn't it- blame Trump when he's the only one who actually has a sensible solution. If it had been practiced all along, this shooter would never have been here in the first place.

    , @TBA

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.
     
    After the Stanford shooting the first comment I read said it was Trump's fault. The idea was - and I'm not exaggerating or misquoting - that Trump says things that make people angry, which leads to murder.
    , @Mr. Anon
    The real victim here is Seung-Hui Cho.
    , @Hibernian
    It won't lead to anti-Muslim blaming by the media. Nothing does. There may be some quiet anti-Muslim blaming by some libs. Maybe a "Let's all get along" campaign.
    , @Dew
    I'm currently in Orlando, visiting some relatives. Heard it on the radio. The sheer amount of deaths and wounded is quite shocking. I predict that the left is going to frame this as a gun control issue. This is an awkward case for them since it involves two protected minorities.

    Trump could get some blame by the media and Muslim defenders. It would a very stupid thing to do since they have to bring up the recent "pissing off Muslims makes them do terrorist acts, so don't insult them or they may attack" argument. It contradicts the "Islam has nothing to do with these attacks" argument (which is also false).

    Something interesting to know, apparently after escaping some of the club goers blocked the emergency exit door they had left from. Probably lead to more deaths. Go to 3:20 in this video.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140/
  35. “But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago.”

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It’s Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Yep, they tend to go crazy on Ramadan.
    , @jimmyriddle
    I wonder whether he was a Pashtun?

    Sexual abuse of boys is an accepted part of their culture - "man-boy-love Thursday" etc.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    Ramadan is more of a stuffing-yer-piehole month with a fasting glaze on it. ¡Ole!
    , @Big Bill
    As this article from The New Observer illustrates, Muslims will go crazy due to fasting on Ramadan:

    http://newobserveronline.com/invaders-burn-hall-ramadan-food/
    , @Big Bill
    Several years ago, the Swedish police ordered their cops not to eat in their cars in Muslim no-go zones (Malmo) during Ramadan.

    It makes the New Swedes go berserk.
    , @Anon
    Mo-slums act insane every day of the year. And terrorists being terrorists, they'll ramp up their attacks all the way to the date of the US election, especially since Trump's big anti-Islamic stance drives them nuts.

    Trump isn't threatening their religion so much as he's threatening their chance to earn lots of money and climb out of poverty via emigration. Living in the Mideast, unless you're an Israeli or an oil sheik, is one big dead-end job.

  36. @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    Yep, they tend to go crazy on Ramadan.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    go=continue being?
  37. @Jack Hanson
    OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    Muslims top gays. That’s been obvious for a while now. For example the LGBT groups at Goldsmith’s in London have sponsored anti-gay Islamic preachers in the name of standing up to “Islamophobia.”

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Muslims top gays.
     
    Hmm. More truth there than you may have intended.
  38. Muslims slaughtering gays, and on US soil. The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other. Obama’s head must be spinning at a million rpms right now.

    FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone’s life. I’m not. We have an immigration problem in this country. Some groups cannot be assimilated. We intuitively understood that for the first ~170 years of the Republic. It’s about time we started to understand that again.

    • Agree: SPMoore8, Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    It's hard not to be cynical because that's the way we are in this country; we mourn for ten seconds and then immediately turn it into a political bloodbath.

    It's also hard not to be cynical because for most people these are just packaged outrage cycles where everyone gets to talk about how evil the other side is.

    Just in the past couple of weeks we had Gorilla, Child, Black People, followed by Stanford, Sexual Assault, White People, Women. And now this: Muslims, Gays, Latinos, Gun Ownership. This one should be particularly unpleasant, but as I said, unlike most outrage cycles it doesn't involve Cops, Blacks, Whites, or #BLM.
    , @Anonymous

    The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other.
     
    I don't think this will harm the Coalition much. The spin is that he wasn't really into Islam, just a random evil homophobe, living in an evil homophobic society. Gays seem to be sticking to it. Maybe they'll get fed up after the next Islamist massacre. Or the one after that... Or not.
    , @HA
    ">FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone’s life."

    Ditto. Wait for the stories about poor Muslims (the real victims, as always) terrified about more "Islamophobia", and how right-wingers are "gleeful" about this. E.g., from Twitter:


    I just read tons of "Gleeful" responses to the fact that Gays died in the

    ...the shooter is not white Americans use it as an excuse to be racist.
    #OrlandoMassacre


     

    (The 2nd tweet, and perhaps the earlier one, was subsequently made "unavailable", but is still visible via Google search).

    In any case, yeah, sure, I'm just thrilled something like this happened. What with the fact that it pretty much wiped out the earlier story of a crazed gun-toting white-guy murdering a reality show contestant.

    And for what it's worth, I genuinely hope that Trump beefs up his security detail. I'm certainly not his biggest fan, but enough bleeding already.

  39. We should thank our lucky stars that Islam is the Religion of Peace.

    Imagine if it were the Religion of War.

  40. @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    I wonder whether he was a Pashtun?

    Sexual abuse of boys is an accepted part of their culture – “man-boy-love Thursday” etc.

  41. biz says:

    Things just got more difficult for the ‘body count buts’ who try to claim that Christians have killed more people than Muslim terrorists in America since 9/11. There are a number of these who post at this website, and they have always been dishonest in a) starting the clock on September 12, 2001, b) classifying various terrorist acts as “workplace violence” or other shady accounting, and c) ignoring that a roughly equal death toll from 1-2% of the population does not mean equal threat. Now even with those slights of logic can’t save them.

  42. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    I agree that the usual suspects in the media will find a way to blame this on something other than Islam radicalism.

    But who is going to be convinced?

    In the end, when the media pushes its agenda where it becomes absurd on its face, it’s the media that loses.

    Even the guy with the megaphone has to worry about his credibility.

  43. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    From the JFK/LHO playbook: the Climate of Hate created by TrumpHitler and his facist supporters lead to this tragedy.

  44. @Svigor
    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate "journalists'" belts and shoe strings. They'll be on suicide watch for a spell.

    “As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election.”

    Five months before our election, but just 11 days before an election in the United Kingdom to decide whether that country stays in or out of the European Union, during a time when one of the hottest issues is the debate over stopping a flood of refugees large numbers of whom are coming from Afghanistan, and almost all of whom are Muslim.

    Gays are probably more likely than most Brits to favor remaining in the EU. Suddenly they realize they do have a dog in the fight against immigration, at least of the Muslim variety.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    Don't worry we'll solve this problem with some sort of ribbon campaign / heaps of flowers at the scene / street musicians playing Imagine.
    , @Anonymous
    The British political establishment is currently straining every sinew, prophesying every plague, calamity and misfortune you can possibly think of, in order to frighten the British electorate into staying in the EU.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    You mean they'll realize they have a chihuahua with a leather studded collar in the fight?
  45. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website
    @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    Ramadan is more of a stuffing-yer-piehole month with a fasting glaze on it. ¡Ole!

  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    Turns out the death toll has risen. 50 dead and 53 injured.

    Exactly, I am sure he operated alone, with no help, from anyone else. I mean, it only took 9 SWAT team members to bring him down, plus a “distracting” explosive device.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    The difference between Muslim crazies and "conservative" crazies (e.g., Dylann Roof, the Planned Parenthood shooter, etc.) is that Muslim crazies never seem to have a problem finding other Muslims to help them. That's a sign that the problem is less about individual insanity and more about ideological insanity.

    You can't really stop the individual crazies. Mental illness has always been with us, and will be with us for a long time to come. You can stop ideological insanity by barring those who share that ideology from moving to your country.
    , @Mr. Anon
    SWAT never go anywhere but in force. I don't think you ever see one SWAT guy. Often, they just hunker down outside a building until the shooter has offed himself.

    The "distracting explosion" was probably a flash-bang grenade, which has been in use since the 70s (they even showed one in "Die Hard"). A lot of news outlets seem to no longer have any reporters who know anything. Well, they're not really reporters anymore, they're "journalists".
  47. @Jack Hanson
    OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    I wonder how many gays it takes to cheat a Greek.

    Maybe ‘shame’ can be the verb in the identity politics pokemon points game. E.g. It takes 10 cishetero white males to shame a white woman. It takes 10 white women to shame a gay. It takes 10 women to shame a Jew. It takes 10 Jews to shame a gay. It takes 10 gays to shame a Mexican. It takes 10 Mexicans to shame a black. And it takes 10 blacks to shame a Muslim.

    And hopefully, it takes one Trump to trump them all.

  48. @Wilkey
    Muslims slaughtering gays, and on US soil. The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other. Obama's head must be spinning at a million rpms right now.

    FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone's life. I'm not. We have an immigration problem in this country. Some groups cannot be assimilated. We intuitively understood that for the first ~170 years of the Republic. It's about time we started to understand that again.

    It’s hard not to be cynical because that’s the way we are in this country; we mourn for ten seconds and then immediately turn it into a political bloodbath.

    It’s also hard not to be cynical because for most people these are just packaged outrage cycles where everyone gets to talk about how evil the other side is.

    Just in the past couple of weeks we had Gorilla, Child, Black People, followed by Stanford, Sexual Assault, White People, Women. And now this: Muslims, Gays, Latinos, Gun Ownership. This one should be particularly unpleasant, but as I said, unlike most outrage cycles it doesn’t involve Cops, Blacks, Whites, or #BLM.

  49. @MEH 0910
    Dr. Milo, from Escape from the Planet of the Apes?

    In the Planet of the Apes movie series, Dr. Milo is a genius chimpanzee scientist and a renegade who spurns the intellectual and technological limits placed on the ape society. He was portrayed in Escape from the Planet of the Apes by actor Sal Mineo, in one of his last roles.
     
    Or baby chimp Milo, named after Dr. Milo, subsequently renamed Caesar?

    Milo, better known as Caesar, is a fictional character in the Planet of the Apes franchise. He is named after Julius Caesar.
    He appeared as a baby in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, voiced by Walker Edmiston.
    He is the leader (and chief instigator) of the ape revolution in the fourth installment, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.
    He is the ruler of Ape City in the fifth film, Battle for the Planet of the Apes. He was portrayed in both movies by the late actor Roddy McDowall, who had also played his father Cornelius in both Planet of the Apes and Escape from the Planet of the Apes.

     

    Milo Goes to College, by the Descendents.

  50. Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote “The Laramie Project,” a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida’s Muslim population so he can write a sequel.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    Comment of the day!! You should post that on Daily Kos, they'd flip out!! Their chief culprits in this are firearms mostly, but also religion and homophobia.
    , @syonredux

    Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote “The Laramie Project,” a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida’s Muslim population so he can write a sequel.
     
    Garry Trudeau has been most helpful in establishing the guidelines: Being critical of European Christians is punching up. Hence, it's doubleplusgood. Being critical of Muslims is punching down. Hence, it's doubleplusungood.
  51. SFG says:
    @reiner Tor
    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.

    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone’s occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It’s not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that’s very hard to convince a liberal of.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that’s very hard to convince a liberal of.
     
    Most guns rights people are whites living in the suburbs or the country who want to protect themselves against home invasions where the armed police will not arrive in time--not protection against the armed police. That is why they are not concerned about massacres by crazy gunmen in public places, spousal violence with guns, or children killing other children when playing with loaded guns.
    , @TheJester
    Disagree. I grew up in small towns in the Midwest in which boys as early as the 6st grade had a .22 rifle or 410 shotgun. Yes, you heard me right. It was part of the culture ... part of being a boy and growing up. One 6th grade friend of mine pulled his 410 shotgun out of his closet, showed it to me, and lectured me on gun safety. A few years later, another friend invited me to his rural home for target practice with his .22. I was not part of this tradition, but then I was an outlier.

    NEVER, NEVER from kindergarten through high school was there a incident or accident with guns and youth in these small towns. But, this was back in the days when children had parents who raised them. This was back in the days when people had sex-based roles in society. You taught your sons how to use a gun, taught them how to drive, taught them how to treat women, and pressed them to do something useful with their lives. Mothers were also actively teaching their daughters how to become effective wives and mothers. (BTW: They also taught civics in school.) The common theme was teaching youth to accept responsibility and be responsible.

    Something changed in our culture ... and it is not the presence or absence of guns.
    , @Jacobite
    Don't forget Charles Whitman at the University of Texas who killed 14 and wounded 32.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
    , @SFG
    I should add: I'm not arguing that certain groups may not be *more likely* to do these things--there sure have been an awful lot of attacks by Muslims these days.
  52. The liberal media is emphasizing that this is a case of DOMESTIC TERROR by a US CITIZEN.

  53. @Wilkey
    "As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election."

    Five months before our election, but just 11 days before an election in the United Kingdom to decide whether that country stays in or out of the European Union, during a time when one of the hottest issues is the debate over stopping a flood of refugees large numbers of whom are coming from Afghanistan, and almost all of whom are Muslim.

    Gays are probably more likely than most Brits to favor remaining in the EU. Suddenly they realize they do have a dog in the fight against immigration, at least of the Muslim variety.

    Don’t worry we’ll solve this problem with some sort of ribbon campaign / heaps of flowers at the scene / street musicians playing Imagine.

  54. @DCThrowback
    Exactly, I am sure he operated alone, with no help, from anyone else. I mean, it only took 9 SWAT team members to bring him down, plus a "distracting" explosive device.

    The difference between Muslim crazies and “conservative” crazies (e.g., Dylann Roof, the Planned Parenthood shooter, etc.) is that Muslim crazies never seem to have a problem finding other Muslims to help them. That’s a sign that the problem is less about individual insanity and more about ideological insanity.

    You can’t really stop the individual crazies. Mental illness has always been with us, and will be with us for a long time to come. You can stop ideological insanity by barring those who share that ideology from moving to your country.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    They keep claiming we are being enriched by their 'diversity'. If so, I'm not seeing it. Most Muslims seem to take low level jobs and are on the public dole, they have a disproportionate rate of terrorist attacks per capita, they bring increased strife, they have higher levels of child abuse towards children of the country that accepts them (at least the Mexicans seem to mostly abuse Mexican kids), they set up their own communities and demand the laws bend to them instead of the other way around. The list goes on and on. How is this a benefit to us? When has allowing them to immigrate here ever been put to a public referendum?

    I'm having my peaceful Sunday disrupted right now having to listen to a fanatically mad screaming Pakistani woman in the next apartment over yelling at her kid in whatever the hell they speak, about who knows what. It seems to happen at some regularity. I guess I should consider myself lucky they aren't setting off dynamite in the parking lot.
    , @FirkinRidiculous
    Goes for Muslim paedophiles too!
  55. @Jim Don Bob
    Speaking of Whit Stillman, his new movie Love and Friendship is pretty good. Kate Beckinsale gets all the good lines and delivers them in a low velvety tone. She is also gorgeous.

    I liked her in Last Days of Disco. That was before her illegitimate child however.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What illegitimate child?
  56. @NickG

    Poppy is a very popular name for girls in the UK at the moment.
     
    In South African white culture Poppy is a pejorative term for a certain type of vacuous white Afrikaner female who trades on her femininity. Sort of close to saying 'dumb blond'.

    I would admit every single white South African who wanted to come to America, vacuous or otherwise.

    • Replies: @MKP
    "I would admit every single white South African who wanted to come to America, vacuous or otherwise."

    Me too. Hell, I'd love to go live on an island with just them, and leave this sinking shit-boat behind, if that were an option.
  57. @Robbie
    Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future 'black' actors and musicians loyal to the tribe.

    Drake
    A bunch of actresses

    Who? Which actresses? Jennifer Lawrence? Who? Don’t know what you’re reading to come to that conclusion.

    Actually, very few Jewish women marry black, or outside the tribe at all. Most synagogues don’t have a significant mulatto representation.

    • Replies: @Marty
    In SF there's a boomer lawyer named Gilda Turitz. On her CV she states that "at 17, I resolved to marry a Black man."
    , @Anonymous
    Jennifer Lawrence does not have Jewish ancestry.
  58. Milo? From Milo Minderbinder from Catch 22? I would have named my kids after Orr.That man could do anything!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Maybe Milo from "The Phantom Tollbooth?"
  59. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    This shooting is another case of the rise of “intersectionality”. Liberals had better get used to it, these sorts of things are only going to increase as they bring in more diversity, intentionally mix communities, and encourage minorities to throw violent temper tantrums as a solution to whatever they want. Not to mention the great wisdom of importing people who hate the US, whom we have recently been in a lengthy war with, who have a culture of violent terrorist activity, and a culture/religion which places their values directly at odds with much of what is going on in the West these days.

    Ironic isn’t it- blame Trump when he’s the only one who actually has a sensible solution. If it had been practiced all along, this shooter would never have been here in the first place.

  60. @anon
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/

    POL IS REPORTING THAT SHOOTER IS MUSLIM.

    PRAISE BE TO KEK

    Of course he was Muslim. He was probably gay too, or a wannabee. And mentally ill.

    The history of presidential assassins indicates that while most of them have been mentally ill, they have also been influenced by the political events of their time.

  61. The shooter was a registered Democrat and regular voter:

    http://flvoters.com/by_number/1144/84524_omar_mir_seddique_mateen.html

    What drives Democrats to mass murder so often?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Your typical Bernie Bro... Being a Sanders supporter, he probably went nuts after Hillary got the nomination.
  62. @SFG
    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone's occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It's not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that's very hard to convince a liberal of.

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that’s very hard to convince a liberal of.

    Most guns rights people are whites living in the suburbs or the country who want to protect themselves against home invasions where the armed police will not arrive in time–not protection against the armed police. That is why they are not concerned about massacres by crazy gunmen in public places, spousal violence with guns, or children killing other children when playing with loaded guns.

  63. @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    As this article from The New Observer illustrates, Muslims will go crazy due to fasting on Ramadan:

    http://newobserveronline.com/invaders-burn-hall-ramadan-food/

  64. @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    Several years ago, the Swedish police ordered their cops not to eat in their cars in Muslim no-go zones (Malmo) during Ramadan.

    It makes the New Swedes go berserk.

  65. @Svigor
    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate "journalists'" belts and shoe strings. They'll be on suicide watch for a spell.

    Five months is an eon in politics. Don’t worry, they’ll come up with some BS to blame it on Trump (he must have stirred the waters by bringing bigotry to the fore). Never mind that he has never condoned violence or hatred, just like its his fault when Bernie or Hillary supporters violently attack Trump supporters at each Trump rally.

    At the very least, they’ll claim its an educational moment about ‘the culture of guns’ in America, press for more gun control, and say its the right wing nuts fault.

    Well, at least there’s 51 fewer Hillary voters now.

  66. @Jack Hanson
    OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    In the USA the victim list seems to be:
    1) gays
    2) Muslims
    3) womyn
    4)Hispanic
    5) Blacks

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Bizarre ranking.
  67. @Wilkey
    The difference between Muslim crazies and "conservative" crazies (e.g., Dylann Roof, the Planned Parenthood shooter, etc.) is that Muslim crazies never seem to have a problem finding other Muslims to help them. That's a sign that the problem is less about individual insanity and more about ideological insanity.

    You can't really stop the individual crazies. Mental illness has always been with us, and will be with us for a long time to come. You can stop ideological insanity by barring those who share that ideology from moving to your country.

    They keep claiming we are being enriched by their ‘diversity’. If so, I’m not seeing it. Most Muslims seem to take low level jobs and are on the public dole, they have a disproportionate rate of terrorist attacks per capita, they bring increased strife, they have higher levels of child abuse towards children of the country that accepts them (at least the Mexicans seem to mostly abuse Mexican kids), they set up their own communities and demand the laws bend to them instead of the other way around. The list goes on and on. How is this a benefit to us? When has allowing them to immigrate here ever been put to a public referendum?

    I’m having my peaceful Sunday disrupted right now having to listen to a fanatically mad screaming Pakistani woman in the next apartment over yelling at her kid in whatever the hell they speak, about who knows what. It seems to happen at some regularity. I guess I should consider myself lucky they aren’t setting off dynamite in the parking lot.

  68. @SFG
    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone's occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It's not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that's very hard to convince a liberal of.

    Disagree. I grew up in small towns in the Midwest in which boys as early as the 6st grade had a .22 rifle or 410 shotgun. Yes, you heard me right. It was part of the culture … part of being a boy and growing up. One 6th grade friend of mine pulled his 410 shotgun out of his closet, showed it to me, and lectured me on gun safety. A few years later, another friend invited me to his rural home for target practice with his .22. I was not part of this tradition, but then I was an outlier.

    NEVER, NEVER from kindergarten through high school was there a incident or accident with guns and youth in these small towns. But, this was back in the days when children had parents who raised them. This was back in the days when people had sex-based roles in society. You taught your sons how to use a gun, taught them how to drive, taught them how to treat women, and pressed them to do something useful with their lives. Mothers were also actively teaching their daughters how to become effective wives and mothers. (BTW: They also taught civics in school.) The common theme was teaching youth to accept responsibility and be responsible.

    Something changed in our culture … and it is not the presence or absence of guns.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Wow. That sounds bizarre to me, but in a good way. Since it's rude to ask someone's age...what decade were you born in? (I was born at the end of the 1970s.)
    , @Brutusale
    Same experience for me, born at the tail end of the 50s and, as I said in a previous post, was 12-year old running around in the woods with a .22 all of 15 miles south of Boston.

    I know it sounds bizarre to the youngsters, but that's really the way it was.
  69. It’s only 4% black, but 86% of the three dozen black students score “proficient” or “advanced” on their state English test versus 75% of the white students.

    Three dozen black students did not take the test. Kindergarten-2nd grade are not tested. In 2015 at Carpenter 433 of 438 enrolled 3rd-5th grade students were tested and 14 were black. None of the black kids were low-income (economically disadvantaged).

    I think Carpenter benefits from the extremely small number of blacks. Welby Way Elementary tests higher than Carpenter. While the 23 blacks tested at Welby Way test high, whites test higher. In English 74 percent of blacks were proficient compared to 88 percent of whites. Two of the blacks at Welby Way were economically disadvantaged.

    For LAUSD as a whole, 24 percent of blacks were proficient in English compared to 61 percent of whites.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Of the LAUSD students who are NOT economically disadvantaged, 35 percent of blacks and 70 percent of whites are proficient in English.

    The blacks at Carpenter and Welby Way schools are probably similar to the blacks in the Ivy League. They mostly one or more: mixed-race, children of immigrants, children of doctors, engineers and lawyers, and children of elite college graduates.
  70. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    After the Stanford shooting the first comment I read said it was Trump’s fault. The idea was – and I’m not exaggerating or misquoting – that Trump says things that make people angry, which leads to murder.

  71. OT: “Team Muslim races into the 2016 terror lead after an instant replay takes away points originally awarded to Team White Male. 50 people are confirmed dead in an Orlando gay nightclub shooting. According to sources, SkyNews originally reported that white supremacists were behind the incident until a line judge commented that white males typically don’t go by the name Omar. There is some controversy, however, as SkyNews is using quotation marks in their Facebook article describing this as a “terror” incident; the replay booth in NY may decide to strip Team Muslim of these points if they later decide that this wasn’t actually a ‘terror’ incident but an ‘undocumented gun malfunction’, instead. To learn more about the history of American mass shootings and less about Muslim terrorist attacks, click on the ‘change subject’ link below.” SWPL News

  72. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    The real victim here is Seung-Hui Cho.

  73. For those into sad ironies, gay-hating Mateen’s ancestral homeland has a deeply-ingrained culture pederasty:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

  74. @DCThrowback
    Exactly, I am sure he operated alone, with no help, from anyone else. I mean, it only took 9 SWAT team members to bring him down, plus a "distracting" explosive device.

    SWAT never go anywhere but in force. I don’t think you ever see one SWAT guy. Often, they just hunker down outside a building until the shooter has offed himself.

    The “distracting explosion” was probably a flash-bang grenade, which has been in use since the 70s (they even showed one in “Die Hard”). A lot of news outlets seem to no longer have any reporters who know anything. Well, they’re not really reporters anymore, they’re “journalists”.

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    Muslims slaughtering gays, and on US soil. The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other. Obama's head must be spinning at a million rpms right now.

    FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone's life. I'm not. We have an immigration problem in this country. Some groups cannot be assimilated. We intuitively understood that for the first ~170 years of the Republic. It's about time we started to understand that again.

    The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other.

    I don’t think this will harm the Coalition much. The spin is that he wasn’t really into Islam, just a random evil homophobe, living in an evil homophobic society. Gays seem to be sticking to it. Maybe they’ll get fed up after the next Islamist massacre. Or the one after that… Or not.

  76. It’s only 4% black, but 86% of the three dozen black students score “proficient” or “advanced” on their state English test versus 75% of the white students.

    Not surprising to me. My kids went to a middle school that I would guess was 3 to 5 percent black, but some of the black kids were very very bright…and it wasn’t from being around white kids. These kids’ parents seemed bright high achievers, too. The presence of highly motivated and capable black students likely skewed the small group of blacks generally in the school upward to around white levels of academic achievement.

    By contrast, I saw only one ghetto looking black kid in the whole school. Dreadlocks and loud colored clothing…very tall for his age (unless he was a 16 year old middle-schooler) and slow walking, too. I had a far greater sense of alarm about this one boy than any other of the black kids.

  77. @Wilkey
    Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote "The Laramie Project," a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida's Muslim population so he can write a sequel.

    Comment of the day!! You should post that on Daily Kos, they’d flip out!! Their chief culprits in this are firearms mostly, but also religion and homophobia.

  78. They’re already blaming the right wing, gun culture, Trump, white Americans in general, and a group you guys have failed to predict- Christians!

    I’ve got a militantly gay co-worker who has actually been quite useful for me as a barometer for the left- he routinely posts messages from all over the left blogosphere, left tweets, etc. He has been working O/T today as one might guess. Plenty of libs complaining about the gun culture as the problem, not pointing the slightest finger at Islam, but plenty about whites and Christians as promoting an anti-gay culture as the problem.

    Never mind that it was a Muslim who committed the act, that homosexuality is virulently hated in Muslim countries, outlawed in many (in some, its punishable by death). Never mind that it has been Western countries, those rooted in Christianity, that have been the most tolerant countries in the world towards gays. Never mind that white right-wing Christians haven’t been the ones controlling the entertainment industry promoting gay jokes. Never mind that hatred of gays in minority communities is pretty much universally higher than in white communities- maybe the only exception is in the gay community itself.

    But never mind all of that, its the fault of white right-wing Christians who support the 2nd amendment.

  79. HA says:
    @Anonymous
    Cowboy lassoes thief.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/06/bike_thief_wrangler_is_a_legit_cowboy_tbh.html

    The CNN version of the story refuses to give the (Hispanic) name of the suspect or that he is a wastrel transient from Seattle.

    >The CNN version of the story refuses to give the (Hispanic) name of the suspect or that he is a wastrel transient from Seattle.

    Wait for the backlash: if the suspect decides to sue the white-jock cowboy for bodily injury, and subjecting him to the risk of a snapped neck or strangling had the rope slipped, we’ll hear more, with some added background violins.

    I’m actually a little surprised they both weren’t taken into custody. I would have thought that Seattle and the UK were kind of comparable when it comes to frowning upon “disproportionate” resistance to thieves and burglars. At least he didn’t use a gun to stop him. Maybe that is why he is still free.

    • Replies: @CJ
    In Seattle the cowboy would have been arrested and the mestizo thief let free. However, the lasso incident happened in Eagle Point near Medford, a small town in a central Oregon county.
  80. @Jonathan Mason
    What about Sidwell Friends School?

    Ditto!

  81. HA says:
    @Wilkey
    Muslims slaughtering gays, and on US soil. The Coalition of the Fringes starts slaughtering each other. Obama's head must be spinning at a million rpms right now.

    FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone's life. I'm not. We have an immigration problem in this country. Some groups cannot be assimilated. We intuitively understood that for the first ~170 years of the Republic. It's about time we started to understand that again.

    “>FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone’s life.”

    Ditto. Wait for the stories about poor Muslims (the real victims, as always) terrified about more “Islamophobia”, and how right-wingers are “gleeful” about this. E.g., from Twitter:

    I just read tons of “Gleeful” responses to the fact that Gays died in the

    …the shooter is not white Americans use it as an excuse to be racist.
    #OrlandoMassacre

    (The 2nd tweet, and perhaps the earlier one, was subsequently made “unavailable”, but is still visible via Google search).

    In any case, yeah, sure, I’m just thrilled something like this happened. What with the fact that it pretty much wiped out the earlier story of a crazed gun-toting white-guy murdering a reality show contestant.

    And for what it’s worth, I genuinely hope that Trump beefs up his security detail. I’m certainly not his biggest fan, but enough bleeding already.

    • Replies: @HA
    Actually, the first tweet I cited earlier ("I just read tons of 'Gleeful' responses to the fact that Gays died in the #OrlandoMassacre on Facebook & Twitter") is still available:

    Moreover, there was an earlier "blame-it-on-Trump" message from the same source:


    As long as people continue to raise their children to Hate, to Shun Diversity, to Scapegoat, to "Build Walls"... we will have Terrorism
     
    , @Bill Jones
    And don't hold your breath waiting for CNN to tell you that Mateen was a registered Democrat.
  82. @Wilkey
    The difference between Muslim crazies and "conservative" crazies (e.g., Dylann Roof, the Planned Parenthood shooter, etc.) is that Muslim crazies never seem to have a problem finding other Muslims to help them. That's a sign that the problem is less about individual insanity and more about ideological insanity.

    You can't really stop the individual crazies. Mental illness has always been with us, and will be with us for a long time to come. You can stop ideological insanity by barring those who share that ideology from moving to your country.

    Goes for Muslim paedophiles too!

  83. @biz
    Muslims top gays. That's been obvious for a while now. For example the LGBT groups at Goldsmith's in London have sponsored anti-gay Islamic preachers in the name of standing up to "Islamophobia."

    Muslims top gays.

    Hmm. More truth there than you may have intended.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Hilarious.
    , @Anonymous
    Apparently, 'odium' only attaches to the passive male gay partner, whilst inna curious form of inverted snobbery, if you will, the active partner has the cachet of forceful masculinity.

    The same cultural norm, incidentally, is found in the US penal (ahem) system, in which the predominately afro-American practising sodomitic population customarily accords the respectful masculine appellations of 'riders' or 'jockers' to the active bugger whilst the 'receiver' is generally known by the contemptuous terms of 'bitch' or 'punk'.
  84. In a nightclub in Orlando, ringing cellphones were heard as loved ones tried to contact victims.

    Across America, low pitched rumblings were heard after waterlogged ground began to give way… a Trump landslide all but assured.

  85. And in honor of the dubious David Horowitz, let us remember the world is a much safer place now that Saddam Hussein (& Khaddafi too) are no longer in power.

  86. Would I be correct in thinking that when the DoJ come to total up the murders for 2016, the Afghan Terminator will be in the ‘white’ perpetrator category?

  87. @Triumph104

    It’s only 4% black, but 86% of the three dozen black students score “proficient” or “advanced” on their state English test versus 75% of the white students.
     
    Three dozen black students did not take the test. Kindergarten-2nd grade are not tested. In 2015 at Carpenter 433 of 438 enrolled 3rd-5th grade students were tested and 14 were black. None of the black kids were low-income (economically disadvantaged).

    I think Carpenter benefits from the extremely small number of blacks. Welby Way Elementary tests higher than Carpenter. While the 23 blacks tested at Welby Way test high, whites test higher. In English 74 percent of blacks were proficient compared to 88 percent of whites. Two of the blacks at Welby Way were economically disadvantaged.

    For LAUSD as a whole, 24 percent of blacks were proficient in English compared to 61 percent of whites.

    Of the LAUSD students who are NOT economically disadvantaged, 35 percent of blacks and 70 percent of whites are proficient in English.

    The blacks at Carpenter and Welby Way schools are probably similar to the blacks in the Ivy League. They mostly one or more: mixed-race, children of immigrants, children of doctors, engineers and lawyers, and children of elite college graduates.

  88. Because two protected groups are involved in this Orlando thing (homos and Muslims), for a short while the Big Media types will be in knots trying to figure this all out. Looks like they’ll have to consult with their former professors at Yale, Harvard etal. so they can properly deconstruct all this in such a way to form a narrative that accords with their worldview. Bet on the “They’re Both Victims” schtick.

  89. @Jack Hanson
    OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    >>Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    In Europe, no. But let’s see how this plays out. Game-changer? Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an “American citizen”, as if that makes any difference. In fact this incident makes the case for those of us who understand what Islam is all about, that there is no hope of “assimilating” Islam. Yes, individual Muslims can appear to be assimilated to civilized norms but as long as they are in Islam’s orbit they can turn into monsters if they get a little religion.

    It will be a game-changer with the abortion issue if “science” discovers a way to determine if a fetus is likely to turn out gay.

    • Replies: @Curle
    There are no game changers short of buying the NY Times, WAPO or a major network.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an “American citizen”,
     
    Hey, just like Judge Curiel!

    We all know anchor babies never act against American interests, right?
  90. HA says:
    @HA
    ">FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone’s life."

    Ditto. Wait for the stories about poor Muslims (the real victims, as always) terrified about more "Islamophobia", and how right-wingers are "gleeful" about this. E.g., from Twitter:


    I just read tons of "Gleeful" responses to the fact that Gays died in the

    ...the shooter is not white Americans use it as an excuse to be racist.
    #OrlandoMassacre


     

    (The 2nd tweet, and perhaps the earlier one, was subsequently made "unavailable", but is still visible via Google search).

    In any case, yeah, sure, I'm just thrilled something like this happened. What with the fact that it pretty much wiped out the earlier story of a crazed gun-toting white-guy murdering a reality show contestant.

    And for what it's worth, I genuinely hope that Trump beefs up his security detail. I'm certainly not his biggest fan, but enough bleeding already.

    Actually, the first tweet I cited earlier (“I just read tons of ‘Gleeful’ responses to the fact that Gays died in the #OrlandoMassacre on Facebook & Twitter”) is still available:

    Moreover, there was an earlier “blame-it-on-Trump” message from the same source:

    As long as people continue to raise their children to Hate, to Shun Diversity, to Scapegoat, to “Build Walls”… we will have Terrorism

  91. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT, someone may have posted this already

    Florida gay bar shooter is Omar Mateen, son of Afghan immigrants.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

    "A U.S. citizen born to Afghan immigrant parents has been reportedly named by law enforcement as the man who killed 20 and took others hostage last night. Omar Mateen of Port Saint Luice, Florida has been identified as the gunman who killed 20 people at a Orlando nightclub, CBS News, the Washington Post, and NBC News report, citing law enforcement officials. Mateen is a U.S. citizen; his parents are from Afghanistan, CBS News reports. FBI Agent Ron Hopper told reporters Mateen may have leanings towards Islamic extremism."

    In the UK, newly-arrived Syrians are integrating well.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637105/Why-did-police-quiet-sex-attack-Syrian-UK-refugees-Girl-14-assaulted-gang-kept-crime-list-covered-BBC-Newsnight-team.html

    http://www.mo4ch.com/girl-was-assaulted-by-gang-of-syrians-but-it-was-kept-off-bbc-newsnight-crime-list/


    The case was covered by the BBC for the first time on Friday as part of a Newsnight series tracking the progress of two Syrian families who had been resettled in Britain. In the first programme of the series, broadcast on November 17, Newsnight reporter Katie Razzall met a family in a refugee camp in Jordan as they prepared to move to Glasgow. Then in a follow-up on November 26, it showed Badreddin’s family for the first time.

    In a video clip since deleted from the BBC iPlayer and YouTube, Newsnight said it would be ‘introducing you to the second family from Syria who we’ll be following. They’ve just arrived in Newcastle’.

    Nothing more was heard until Friday night when presenter Evan Davis told viewers: ‘We have to report things have taken a disturbing turn. The teenage son was in court today charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.’
     

    I wonder how many of the Muslim shooter’s victims were disgusted by and contemptuous of the closed borders POV.

    Bet many if not most were all for open borders, inclusion, outreach to Muslims, tolerance, diversity, etc.

    • Replies: @biz
    Who knows. Club kids are usually not that interested in political questions.
    , @Curle
    I often find gays to be less SJW on race matters than one might assume. Peter Thiel. Milo Whatshisname. The Nazi high command.
  92. @Percy Gryce

    Muslims top gays.
     
    Hmm. More truth there than you may have intended.

    Hilarious.

  93. FFS. Now Santa Monica popo has detained a man with guns, ammo, and explosives, headed for the local homosexual pride parade:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/santa-monica-police-arrest-man-901887

    DoJ should investigate if the popo used racial profiling. “Suspicious” my arse.

    On a more serious note, this one is great because no one else had to die, but politically it’s just as damning.

    …the shooter is not white Americans use it as an excuse to be racist.

    Yeah, to hell with the 20 dead Americans. What’s important is that no white people get uppity.

  94. One interesting political angle is how Hillary responds. Too weak and she looks like she’s appeasing terror. Too strong and she looks like she’s aping Trump.

  95. Caught on Video=> “Gays Must Die” Says Islamic Speaker at Orlando Mosque

    The left would go completely ape if a Christian cleric said this. But since he’s Muslim, the leftist corporate media won’t even cover it.

    • Agree: Travis
  96. Oh, excuse me, the official body count in Orlando has now been upped to 50, with dozens more wounded, according to Politico.

    That’s a pretty high body count. How far back do we have to go to find a lone shooter who topped that number? Yep…G**gle says it was the deadliest mass shooting in US history. Go Islam!

  97. The Muslim shooter called 911 and claimed allegiance to ISIS before shooting the 94 victims..

    We need to ban Muslim immigration now to reduce the risks of their children becoming terrorists in 25 years. Just as in France, it appears the children of Muslim immigrants pose a significant risk. Trump will most likely win the state of Florida now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The Muslim shooter called 911 and claimed allegiance to ISIS before shooting the 94 victims..
     
    And now ISIS have claimed it. And still the leftists deny, deny, deny. Kind of funny the lengths Islamic terrorists have to go to to get some credit for their jihadist efforts in our suicidal society.
  98. @Robbie
    Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future 'black' actors and musicians loyal to the tribe.

    Drake
    A bunch of actresses

    Isn’t it all about sticking it to their fathers?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTAY40Zkh-M#t=1m14s

  99. @SPMoore8
    "But his father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami several months ago."

    Does that really have to be the lede? Not looking forward to the social media campaign.

    It's Ramadan, a fasting month, I wonder if that is somehow relevant either psychologically or physiologically.

    Mo-slums act insane every day of the year. And terrorists being terrorists, they’ll ramp up their attacks all the way to the date of the US election, especially since Trump’s big anti-Islamic stance drives them nuts.

    Trump isn’t threatening their religion so much as he’s threatening their chance to earn lots of money and climb out of poverty via emigration. Living in the Mideast, unless you’re an Israeli or an oil sheik, is one big dead-end job.

  100. @Kylie
    I wonder how many of the Muslim shooter's victims were disgusted by and contemptuous of the closed borders POV.

    Bet many if not most were all for open borders, inclusion, outreach to Muslims, tolerance, diversity, etc.

    Who knows. Club kids are usually not that interested in political questions.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Club kids are usually not that interested in political questions."

    I know. I'm not suggesting they were news junkies or politically active. But I bet that as a matter of course their views, however unformed and/or uninformed, pretty much followed the standard leftwing line. The default or factory setting, so to speak.
  101. NY Post says Mateen used automatic weapons. Assuming this isn’t (all too typical) journalistic ignorance of what that means, then the weapon he used was probably illegal. Thus no gun grabbing angle for the left. This thing is shaping up as if written to put them on their back foot.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Nah, I think he had an AR-15 and a Glock 17.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Hah, the Washington post tells us he had an assault-style semi-automatic weapon:

    Neither probe turned up evidence of wrongdoing, and Mateen had a blemish-free record when he applied for a Florida license to carry concealed weapons and again when he legally purchased two firearms, including an assault-style semiautomatic rifle, just a few days before the shootings.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/ex-wife-of-suspected-orlando-shooter-he-beat-me/2016/06/12/8a1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

    I guess that will be the next plank in the propaganda war.

    How long before they start calling for a ban on assault-style knives?
  102. @Wilkey
    "As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election."

    Five months before our election, but just 11 days before an election in the United Kingdom to decide whether that country stays in or out of the European Union, during a time when one of the hottest issues is the debate over stopping a flood of refugees large numbers of whom are coming from Afghanistan, and almost all of whom are Muslim.

    Gays are probably more likely than most Brits to favor remaining in the EU. Suddenly they realize they do have a dog in the fight against immigration, at least of the Muslim variety.

    The British political establishment is currently straining every sinew, prophesying every plague, calamity and misfortune you can possibly think of, in order to frighten the British electorate into staying in the EU.

  103. Just another expected outcome of right wing hate and anti-light laws

    The shooter wasn’t religious so you guys can stick your islamaphobia up your ass

  104. I can’t wait to hear the politically incorrect things Bill Maher is going to say about Islam on the next episode of his show. Bill Maher is literally the only Liberal on the entire planet who hates Islam. You won’t find any other Liberal on the planet who shares the same views on Islam as Bill Maher does. Every other Liberal on the planet would sacrifice their own children for increased Muslim immigration into Western nations. Liberals have never met a Muslim that they didn’t like.

    • Replies: @greysquirrell
    You can include Dawkins as another liberal who doesn't like Islam. Not sure how liberal Sam Harris is, though he does strike me as somewhat liberal.
  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce

    Muslims top gays.
     
    Hmm. More truth there than you may have intended.

    Apparently, ‘odium’ only attaches to the passive male gay partner, whilst inna curious form of inverted snobbery, if you will, the active partner has the cachet of forceful masculinity.

    The same cultural norm, incidentally, is found in the US penal (ahem) system, in which the predominately afro-American practising sodomitic population customarily accords the respectful masculine appellations of ‘riders’ or ‘jockers’ to the active bugger whilst the ‘receiver’ is generally known by the contemptuous terms of ‘bitch’ or ‘punk’.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    That's the Hellenistic system of pederasty, too, no?
  106. Not OT:

    Carpenter Elementary was always the program feeder school for Walter Reed and NHHS, so there’s a chance that might have something to do with the unusual pattern:

    https://www.unz.com/article/no-quotas-no-elite-public-high-school/

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Unz, have some fun from this duplicate:

    I personally love Fourier series and Fourier transforms, and I have to pretend that I also like Lebesgue integration,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_integration .
    However, I despise it.
    *
    There is a joke about military teacher, who derives on a blackboard the formula for the distance, to which a projectile will fly, being shot with initial velocity “v” from a gun, elevated at an angle α (alpha) with respect to horizontal direction.
    Correct formula is
    D = [2*sin(α)*cos(α)*v^2]/g ,
    where g is gravity acceleration, g=9.8 m/second^2 =(equiv)= 32 ft/sec^2.
    In the process of derivation he makes a typo somewhere, and writes on the blackboard
    D = [2*sin(α)*v^2]/[g*cos(α)],
    i.e. cos(α) got into denominator instead of numerator.
    Some arrogant and self-confident private asks him:
    “Sir Colonel, Sir ! What if angle α approaches 90 degrees ? Will the distance go to infinity, as cos(α) goes to zero ?”
    Colonel thinks for couple of minutes, and then answers with definiteness:
    “No, distance will not go to infinity,
    since each big gun has special stopper at α=88 degrees.
    *
    All those Lebesgue tricks about convergence of an integral to finite value are unnecessary in real problems, since there always exists
    physical stopper at high frequencies“,
    which renders high frequency divergence non-existent.
    Elimination of divergences in Quantum Electrodynamics
    (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, Nobel prize 1965, http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/ ) went not in the direction of Lebesgue integration, but in reformulation of Physical picture (compare to Hans Bethe.)

    To conclude: I only pretend to have loyalty to Lebesgue integration.

  107. Media likes to associate mass shootings with white males, but top two in US history were non-white: Mateen at 50 (so far, many are in critical condition), far and away the highest body count, and Virginia Tech shooter Seun-hui Cho in second at 32.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    And Cho mostly shot up a bunch of Southern whites, so who cares about those anyway. 1 gay is worth more than 32 of them these days. GLM
    , @Jefferson
    "Media likes to associate mass shootings with white males, but top two in US history were non-white: Mateen at 50 (so far, many are in critical condition), far and away the highest body count, and Virginia Tech shooter Seun-hui Cho in second at 32."

    I often browse Left Wing discussion boards because I like to be up to date on what my enemies think, you know keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Whenever a mass shooting occurs, they always pray & hope that the shooter is a White male and not a Muslim or some other Person Of Color.
  108. @Svigor
    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate "journalists'" belts and shoe strings. They'll be on suicide watch for a spell.

    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate “journalists’” belts and shoe strings. They’ll be on suicide watch for a spell.

    No kidding. Someone should keep an eye out for Steve, as well. Here he is in his moment of triumph, and Omar “Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it” Mateen comes in and steals his thunder in this very thread.

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    Steve should have quickly created a separate thread after this happened.
  109. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    It won’t lead to anti-Muslim blaming by the media. Nothing does. There may be some quiet anti-Muslim blaming by some libs. Maybe a “Let’s all get along” campaign.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  110. I thought the mainstream media was going to troll us and refer to the dead Muslim shooter as a “White Afghani”.

  111. “It’s right here in the San Fernando Valley, which fits with my walking-down-the-street observation that San Fernando Valley blacks are pretty close to what postwar liberals like movie director Stanley Kramer hoped for a half century ago.”

    If The San Fernando Valley attracts high quality Blacks, does that mean there is very little Negro crime in the Valley?

  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    Huge shooting in Orlando club. 20 dead and 42 injured. Suspect is son of Afghan immigrants. Authorities believe he may have ties to Islamic radicalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ2Y9bqd6xk

    Another son of immigrant parents who were given shelter in the west. And shows his gratitude by killing and maiming its citizens.

  113. @Reg Cæsar
    Poppy Harlow is one of the few faces at CNN at I can stomach, along with Erin Burnett. The serious one with the goofy name, and the goofy one with the serious name. I fear time will ruin them both as well.

    Miss Harlow appears to be the product of the little-noticed-or-discussed WASP upper crust of the Twin Cities. She went to either Blake or Breck-- I can never keep the two straight, and know of no reason to. True to preppy-girl stereotype, "Poppy" isn't her real name, but a nickname from infancy that will last her till her final days. She was christened Katharine Julia.

    Calling Whit Stillman...

    Calling Whit Stillman…

    Just saw Love & Friendship, Stillman’s adaptation of Jane Austen’s Lady Susan. It was pretty good. Plus, it was nice to see uber-WASP Stillman finally getting a crack at his beloved Jane.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  114. @HA
    >The CNN version of the story refuses to give the (Hispanic) name of the suspect or that he is a wastrel transient from Seattle.

    Wait for the backlash: if the suspect decides to sue the white-jock cowboy for bodily injury, and subjecting him to the risk of a snapped neck or strangling had the rope slipped, we'll hear more, with some added background violins.

    I'm actually a little surprised they both weren't taken into custody. I would have thought that Seattle and the UK were kind of comparable when it comes to frowning upon "disproportionate" resistance to thieves and burglars. At least he didn't use a gun to stop him. Maybe that is why he is still free.

    In Seattle the cowboy would have been arrested and the mestizo thief let free. However, the lasso incident happened in Eagle Point near Medford, a small town in a central Oregon county.

  115. @Wilkey
    Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote "The Laramie Project," a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida's Muslim population so he can write a sequel.

    Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote “The Laramie Project,” a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida’s Muslim population so he can write a sequel.

    Garry Trudeau has been most helpful in establishing the guidelines: Being critical of European Christians is punching up. Hence, it’s doubleplusgood. Being critical of Muslims is punching down. Hence, it’s doubleplusungood.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Garry Trudeau has been most helpful in establishing the guidelines: Being critical of European Christians is punching up. Hence, it’s doubleplusgood. Being critical of Muslims is punching down. Hence, it’s doubleplusungood."

    In the comments section of The Huffington Post Liberals are blaming this Orlando shooting on Southern Baptist minister Pat Robertson, Christians in general, Donald Trump, the 2nd amendment, and the NRA.

    Not a single Liberal there actually blames the Muslim shooter himself. Liberalism really is a disease.
  116. @Ron Unz
    Not OT:

    Carpenter Elementary was always the program feeder school for Walter Reed and NHHS, so there's a chance that might have something to do with the unusual pattern:

    https://www.unz.com/article/no-quotas-no-elite-public-high-school/

    Mr. Unz, have some fun from this duplicate:

    I personally love Fourier series and Fourier transforms, and I have to pretend that I also like Lebesgue integration,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_integration .
    However, I despise it.
    *
    There is a joke about military teacher, who derives on a blackboard the formula for the distance, to which a projectile will fly, being shot with initial velocity “v” from a gun, elevated at an angle α (alpha) with respect to horizontal direction.
    Correct formula is
    D = [2*sin(α)*cos(α)*v^2]/g ,
    where g is gravity acceleration, g=9.8 m/second^2 =(equiv)= 32 ft/sec^2.
    In the process of derivation he makes a typo somewhere, and writes on the blackboard
    D = [2*sin(α)*v^2]/[g*cos(α)],
    i.e. cos(α) got into denominator instead of numerator.
    Some arrogant and self-confident private asks him:
    “Sir Colonel, Sir ! What if angle α approaches 90 degrees ? Will the distance go to infinity, as cos(α) goes to zero ?”
    Colonel thinks for couple of minutes, and then answers with definiteness:
    “No, distance will not go to infinity,
    since each big gun has special stopper at α=88 degrees.
    *
    All those Lebesgue tricks about convergence of an integral to finite value are unnecessary in real problems, since there always exists
    physical stopper at high frequencies“,
    which renders high frequency divergence non-existent.
    Elimination of divergences in Quantum Electrodynamics
    (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, Nobel prize 1965, http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/ ) went not in the direction of Lebesgue integration, but in reformulation of Physical picture (compare to Hans Bethe.)

    To conclude: I only pretend to have loyalty to Lebesgue integration.

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    On a personal note, when our daughter was in 2002-2006 at the Dept. of Chemistry and Chem. Biology of Cornell U., she attended there a public meeting with Emeritus Professor Bethe, 1967 Nobel Prize winner. Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
    I.f.f.U.
    , @Olorin
    Finally! A place to plug this in for all you maths types.

    From earlier this month, math blogger/prof Terry Tao and commenters (many outside the US) talking about why Trump "is not fit to be president of the US":

    https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/it-ought-to-be-common-knowledge-that-donald-trump-is-not-fit-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states-of-america/

    Demonstrating yet again that math geeks do better with calculus jokes than complicated human stuff like politics/leadership.

    Tao's on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal with some Russians about a decade ago.

    A simpler one:

    Did you hear about the time an infinite number of mathematicians walked into a bar?

    First one asks the bartender for a beer.

    Second asks for 1/2 of a beer.

    Third asks for 1/3th, fourth, 1/4th, and so on.

    When the tenth mathematician puts in his beer order for 1/10th of a beer, the bartender, himself having a degree in math, roars, "Get the hell out of here, all of you! You're going to bankrupt me!"

    (Harmonic series diverges to infinity.)
    , @Anonymous
    Shouldn't you simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a)?
  117. @HA
    ">FWIW, I hate that this makes me sound mean or indifferent to anyone’s life."

    Ditto. Wait for the stories about poor Muslims (the real victims, as always) terrified about more "Islamophobia", and how right-wingers are "gleeful" about this. E.g., from Twitter:


    I just read tons of "Gleeful" responses to the fact that Gays died in the

    ...the shooter is not white Americans use it as an excuse to be racist.
    #OrlandoMassacre


     

    (The 2nd tweet, and perhaps the earlier one, was subsequently made "unavailable", but is still visible via Google search).

    In any case, yeah, sure, I'm just thrilled something like this happened. What with the fact that it pretty much wiped out the earlier story of a crazed gun-toting white-guy murdering a reality show contestant.

    And for what it's worth, I genuinely hope that Trump beefs up his security detail. I'm certainly not his biggest fan, but enough bleeding already.

    And don’t hold your breath waiting for CNN to tell you that Mateen was a registered Democrat.

  118. @syonredux

    Wonder if the (Jewish) author who wrote “The Laramie Project,” a play which did its damnedest to bash white people from Wyoming over the murder of a single gay Wyoming student, will be interviewing Florida’s Muslim population so he can write a sequel.
     
    Garry Trudeau has been most helpful in establishing the guidelines: Being critical of European Christians is punching up. Hence, it's doubleplusgood. Being critical of Muslims is punching down. Hence, it's doubleplusungood.

    “Garry Trudeau has been most helpful in establishing the guidelines: Being critical of European Christians is punching up. Hence, it’s doubleplusgood. Being critical of Muslims is punching down. Hence, it’s doubleplusungood.”

    In the comments section of The Huffington Post Liberals are blaming this Orlando shooting on Southern Baptist minister Pat Robertson, Christians in general, Donald Trump, the 2nd amendment, and the NRA.

    Not a single Liberal there actually blames the Muslim shooter himself. Liberalism really is a disease.

  119. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Unz, have some fun from this duplicate:

    I personally love Fourier series and Fourier transforms, and I have to pretend that I also like Lebesgue integration,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_integration .
    However, I despise it.
    *
    There is a joke about military teacher, who derives on a blackboard the formula for the distance, to which a projectile will fly, being shot with initial velocity “v” from a gun, elevated at an angle α (alpha) with respect to horizontal direction.
    Correct formula is
    D = [2*sin(α)*cos(α)*v^2]/g ,
    where g is gravity acceleration, g=9.8 m/second^2 =(equiv)= 32 ft/sec^2.
    In the process of derivation he makes a typo somewhere, and writes on the blackboard
    D = [2*sin(α)*v^2]/[g*cos(α)],
    i.e. cos(α) got into denominator instead of numerator.
    Some arrogant and self-confident private asks him:
    “Sir Colonel, Sir ! What if angle α approaches 90 degrees ? Will the distance go to infinity, as cos(α) goes to zero ?”
    Colonel thinks for couple of minutes, and then answers with definiteness:
    “No, distance will not go to infinity,
    since each big gun has special stopper at α=88 degrees.
    *
    All those Lebesgue tricks about convergence of an integral to finite value are unnecessary in real problems, since there always exists
    physical stopper at high frequencies“,
    which renders high frequency divergence non-existent.
    Elimination of divergences in Quantum Electrodynamics
    (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, Nobel prize 1965, http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/ ) went not in the direction of Lebesgue integration, but in reformulation of Physical picture (compare to Hans Bethe.)

    To conclude: I only pretend to have loyalty to Lebesgue integration.

    On a personal note, when our daughter was in 2002-2006 at the Dept. of Chemistry and Chem. Biology of Cornell U., she attended there a public meeting with Emeritus Professor Bethe, 1967 Nobel Prize winner. Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
    I.f.f.U.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet
    My grandfather, God Bless his cranky soul, was an NCO in the Tsarist army. I, his grandson, had the fantastic blessing of being born in a world where everybody spoke Shakespeare's language. "Elevation beyond 88 degrees is not permitted" is, to me, better than "there is a special stopper at 88 degrees". (Not that I am all that interesting of a person, but another fun trivia fact is that there is at least one person in this world - that would be me, but that is inconsequential - who is the grandson of an NCO in the tsarist cavalry and the son of someone named after Robert E. Lee). "Special stopper" sounds in colloquial English like girl talk, which is all right in its place, but really artillery and girl talk are not all that commensurable.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
     
    If it makes you feel any better, I, too, attended a relatively small public lecture by Hans Bethe when I was probably about your daughter's age, and I also was too shy to go and shake his hand—despite the fact Bethe had been PhD thesis advisor to a relative.

    According to my relative, who was at Cornell in the late 1950s, everybody in the Physics department back then really missed Richard Feynman, who had left some years previously and was the life and soul of the department. Bethe was considered to be rather boring and dry, for all his genius and celebrity as the star of the department.

    , @PiltdownMan
    Sorry double post. Delete.
  120. I recall that the black academic achievement gap was often narrower during elementary school but that the gap widens as children reach adolescence. Whether this was due to compensatory programs like Head Start, the ease of teaching to the test at the elementary level, the corrosive influence of black culture as puberty kicks in or that math and reading material becomes more difficult after the 3 R’s who knows but I’d be surprised if the black kids in this elementary school retain their advantage in junior high.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    No program including Head Start ever improved cognitive ability. Head Start helps kids with behavior: listen better, less fighting, more likely to graduate, etc.

    The black kids at Carpenter are actually bright. If we knew their parents' backgrounds everything would make sense. The school is a charter school with a small window of time to enroll which usually keeps the Trayvons of the world out. The new Common Core exam is much harder to game compared to previous state exams.

    A few weeks ago a black student went missing from Columbia University. It is rare for a black parent to have an interest in their child so I found it strange that her mother knew the names of all of her friends and had their phone numbers. The mother also knew all of her daughter's achievements from high school. Turns out the mother has a PhD in toxicology from MIT and is a cancer researcher. The whole bizarre incident made sense to me after I learned mom's background.
  121. @IHTG
    Yep, they tend to go crazy on Ramadan.

    go=continue being?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No, it's definitely noticeably worse during Ramadan. It's a nasty combination of hunger and the month's holiness. Sacred occasions provoke a desire to wreck stuff and kill kuffar and apostates. That's why there's always so much destruction in the Middle East on Fridays.
  122. @Immigrant from former USSR
    On a personal note, when our daughter was in 2002-2006 at the Dept. of Chemistry and Chem. Biology of Cornell U., she attended there a public meeting with Emeritus Professor Bethe, 1967 Nobel Prize winner. Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
    I.f.f.U.

    My grandfather, God Bless his cranky soul, was an NCO in the Tsarist army. I, his grandson, had the fantastic blessing of being born in a world where everybody spoke Shakespeare’s language. “Elevation beyond 88 degrees is not permitted” is, to me, better than “there is a special stopper at 88 degrees”. (Not that I am all that interesting of a person, but another fun trivia fact is that there is at least one person in this world – that would be me, but that is inconsequential – who is the grandson of an NCO in the tsarist cavalry and the son of someone named after Robert E. Lee). “Special stopper” sounds in colloquial English like girl talk, which is all right in its place, but really artillery and girl talk are not all that commensurable.

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you for your comment.
    Following your "pushkinist" handle, I suggest excerpt from
    "The talk of publisher with poet" by A. S. Pushkin.
    Разговор книгопродавца с поэтом
    [...]
    Что слава?— Яркая заплата
    На ветхом рубище певца.
    Нам нужно злата, злата, злата:
    Копите злато до конца!
    Предвижу ваше возраженье;
    Но вас я знаю, господа:
    Вам ваше дорого творенье,
    Пока на пламени труда
    Кипит, бурлит воображенье;
    Оно застынет, и тогда
    Постыло вам и сочиненье.
    Позвольте просто вам сказать:
    Не продается вдохновенье,
    Но можно рукопись продать.

    [...]
    Translation for Mr. Schiller/Nietzsche:

    [...]
    What is glory: it is just a bright piece of cloth,
    Sewn to the bleak coat of the singer.
    You value your work,
    While inspiration is still there,
    And imagination still inflames your mind.
    When it chills down,
    Your writings give revulsion to you.
    The inspiration's not for sale,
    But you can sell the manuscript.

    [...]
    My best to Mr. "pushkinist"

  123. Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    I’d say yes because mostly not-white, and far more dramatically problematic.

    #1 – The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    The answer to this one is quick and pithy: automatic weapons are already banned, except for a small number of grandfathered weapons, each of which is already in a fed gov’t database. They could round them all up in a very short time, and there’d be very little impact on the number of guns held by Americans.

    In short, grabbing the rest of the automatic weapons would get the gun nuts het up because ideology, but in practical terms it would be meaningless.

    #2 – The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don’t need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    Even quicker answer: MUSLIM anti-LTBT prejudice.

    #3 – The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it’s basically Trump’s fault.

    Answer: MUSLIM anti-Latino prejudice.

    Really doesn’t matter what the media says, though. All their predictable response will do is appease the loony left, cost them non-loony supporters, and erode their own legitimacy, which is already in the toilet, especially on Islam. The event itself will break hard for Trump. A lot of dithering Republicans and blue-dog Dem types just made up their minds.

    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone’s occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this.

    This Worthy Oriental Gentleman just set the US record for murders in a mass shooting. By far. Very occasional.

  124. @Wilkey
    "As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election."

    Five months before our election, but just 11 days before an election in the United Kingdom to decide whether that country stays in or out of the European Union, during a time when one of the hottest issues is the debate over stopping a flood of refugees large numbers of whom are coming from Afghanistan, and almost all of whom are Muslim.

    Gays are probably more likely than most Brits to favor remaining in the EU. Suddenly they realize they do have a dog in the fight against immigration, at least of the Muslim variety.

    You mean they’ll realize they have a chihuahua with a leather studded collar in the fight?

  125. @Robbie
    Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future 'black' actors and musicians loyal to the tribe.

    Drake
    A bunch of actresses

    Jewish women who marry black men in order to breed future ‘black’ actors and musicians loyal to the tribe

    Just as many black dudes upward to lighten up their offspring. Stupid jew girls living for the moment or and for an\ situation that will not pan out 95% of the time.

  126. Obama said today we need to choose if easy access to guns is the kind of country we want to be
    He added that not acting is a choice also.
    Uh, Obama, we already did choose about guns.
    Over 200 years ago.

  127. My guess would be that the blacks who live in this school district are hard workers whose main goal in live in an area without a high concentration of other blacks because they understand better than anyone else what that entails.

  128. @Steve Sailer
    Milo from The Phantom Tollbooth?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Tollbooth

    My first thought (dating myself immediately) was Milo Minderbinder, but I cannot imagine any school-age-children parent named Silverstein in LA going there.

    With the connection in place my brain supplies: “No one is trying to kill you, sweetheart. Now eat your dessert like a good boy.”

    But why did they name the other kid after GHW Bush?

  129. How biologically “black” are the “blacks” at this school? Many officials who are under the gun to increase the number of blacks in their schools or other institutions love to encourage people who are part-black (but otherwise have nothing in common with real blacks) to identify as “black” on paper in order to make it appear that “blacks” in their institutions are more successful than they really are.

    There is also the case of African immigrants who do not have the destructive black American culture but are counted as regular blacks.

  130. @reiner Tor
    Just another mass shooting by an adherent of the religion of peace. Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

    Oh, I forgot: abolish the 2nd amendment.

    You forgot suicide vests!!!!

    They must be banned too.

  131. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Unz, have some fun from this duplicate:

    I personally love Fourier series and Fourier transforms, and I have to pretend that I also like Lebesgue integration,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_integration .
    However, I despise it.
    *
    There is a joke about military teacher, who derives on a blackboard the formula for the distance, to which a projectile will fly, being shot with initial velocity “v” from a gun, elevated at an angle α (alpha) with respect to horizontal direction.
    Correct formula is
    D = [2*sin(α)*cos(α)*v^2]/g ,
    where g is gravity acceleration, g=9.8 m/second^2 =(equiv)= 32 ft/sec^2.
    In the process of derivation he makes a typo somewhere, and writes on the blackboard
    D = [2*sin(α)*v^2]/[g*cos(α)],
    i.e. cos(α) got into denominator instead of numerator.
    Some arrogant and self-confident private asks him:
    “Sir Colonel, Sir ! What if angle α approaches 90 degrees ? Will the distance go to infinity, as cos(α) goes to zero ?”
    Colonel thinks for couple of minutes, and then answers with definiteness:
    “No, distance will not go to infinity,
    since each big gun has special stopper at α=88 degrees.
    *
    All those Lebesgue tricks about convergence of an integral to finite value are unnecessary in real problems, since there always exists
    physical stopper at high frequencies“,
    which renders high frequency divergence non-existent.
    Elimination of divergences in Quantum Electrodynamics
    (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, Nobel prize 1965, http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/ ) went not in the direction of Lebesgue integration, but in reformulation of Physical picture (compare to Hans Bethe.)

    To conclude: I only pretend to have loyalty to Lebesgue integration.

    Finally! A place to plug this in for all you maths types.

    From earlier this month, math blogger/prof Terry Tao and commenters (many outside the US) talking about why Trump “is not fit to be president of the US”:

    https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/it-ought-to-be-common-knowledge-that-donald-trump-is-not-fit-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states-of-america/

    Demonstrating yet again that math geeks do better with calculus jokes than complicated human stuff like politics/leadership.

    Tao’s on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal with some Russians about a decade ago.

    A simpler one:

    Did you hear about the time an infinite number of mathematicians walked into a bar?

    First one asks the bartender for a beer.

    Second asks for 1/2 of a beer.

    Third asks for 1/3th, fourth, 1/4th, and so on.

    When the tenth mathematician puts in his beer order for 1/10th of a beer, the bartender, himself having a degree in math, roars, “Get the hell out of here, all of you! You’re going to bankrupt me!”

    (Harmonic series diverges to infinity.)

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you for your reaction and joke.
    Terrence Tao got Fields medal in 2006 simultaneously with Andrei Okounkov
    2006 Grigori Perelman (declined) (both originally from Russia) and Wendelin Werner (ETH Zurich, Switzerland).
    By the structure of your sentence I originally thought that you, Mr. Olorin, shared Fields medal with the people above:

    Tao’s on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal
     
    It will take some time for me to type the joke, opposite to your one.
    My best to you.
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    A story about Mathematician and Physicist.
    A beautiful naked lady is standing in one of the corners of the room
    with diagonal size D = 20 meters.
    Conditions: the contestant is located originally at the other angle of that diagonal.
    He is allowed to make half the distance (10 meters) in the first minute, half of the remaining distance (5 meters) in the next minute, half of the remaining distance (2.5 meters) in the next minute, etc.

    Mathematician quickly calculates that the
    Sum of (delta t) = (1 min)*Sum[delta(n)]=(proportional to)=
    Sum{delta[log(D - z)]}=(proportional to)=[integral(dz/z)] yields logarithmically-divergent time to reach zero distance
    (your divergent harmonic series). So he goes away in utter dissatisfaction.

    Physicist understands that he does not need to reach zero distance; distance about 5 centimeters will be enough, so total time is about
    (1 minute)*log_base2(20m/0.05m)=(approx.)=9 minutes. OK, says Physicist.

  132. You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this…

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you…. fool me 237 times… maybe it’s time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Mr. Revusky, you told us you'll leave this place and not comment here anymore.

    I just wanted to let you know we'll miss you a lot.
    , @MKP
    "You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this…

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you…. fool me 237 times… maybe it’s time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something."

    ... alright, I'll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him "flip out," or did he NOT actually "flip out" and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What's really happening?

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone - from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum - at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.

    So, serious and sincere question - what's the real story?

    No, I'm not clicking through to some rambling website. Just explain it to me.
  133. @SPMoore8
    Well, the Orlando shooting will decisively remove the Stanford Rape and the Judge Recall Movement to the back pages. About 50 dead and about 50 injured, that's a terrible tragedy, and also appears to be the worst shooting massacre in US history. I pray for the victims.

    HOWEVER, we live in a real world where tragedies are manipulated for political purposes and also for the satisfaction of morally righteous venting on social media. So while our condolences should be private and reserved, the public expression will be anything but. So I will pause for a moment for those killed.

    ***

    There are a number of ways this could be handled by the media in the coming outrage cycle (such cycles usually last a week or so, as we all know.)

    #1 - The shooting was due to guns, so we have to get rid of all guns.

    #2 - The shooting was due to anti-LGBT prejudice, so we have to focus on our LGBT martyrs. Don't need Mathew Shepard anymore (yes, I know that case was ambiguous).

    #3 - The shooting was due to anti-Latino prejudice (because it was Latin Night at the club), so it's basically Trump's fault.

    #4 - The shooting was due to Islamic extremism, so "invade the world, invite the world" is once again shown to be vacuous, and Trump is right.

    I predict #3, #2, and #1, in that order will be emphasized by MSM. Nobody will stress #4.

    Basically what it will come down to is victimology for the groups the victims happened to represent, and outrage at everyone else. It won't be pleasant for people who are just ordinary folks.

    It is a certainty that it will be blamed on Trump.

    It is a certainty that the only recommendation of "things to do" will involve restrictions on gun ownership.

    Cynics will say that the Florida shooter was only standing his ground.

    In terms of the outrage cycles we are used to, this one is sort of unique since it doesn't involve white guys, black guys, or the police. It's a certainty it will not lead to anti-Muslim blaming.

    God bless.

    I’m currently in Orlando, visiting some relatives. Heard it on the radio. The sheer amount of deaths and wounded is quite shocking. I predict that the left is going to frame this as a gun control issue. This is an awkward case for them since it involves two protected minorities.

    Trump could get some blame by the media and Muslim defenders. It would a very stupid thing to do since they have to bring up the recent “pissing off Muslims makes them do terrorist acts, so don’t insult them or they may attack” argument. It contradicts the “Islam has nothing to do with these attacks” argument (which is also false).

    Something interesting to know, apparently after escaping some of the club goers blocked the emergency exit door they had left from. Probably lead to more deaths. Go to 3:20 in this video.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140/

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    Something interesting to know, apparently after escaping some of the club goers blocked the emergency exit door they had left from. Probably lead to more deaths. Go to 3:20 in this video.

    I listened to it and was astounded by the narcissism and cowardice of the speaker.
  134. OT but today I was watching Croatia beat their centuries-old, alien nemesis Turkey in the UEFA Euro, and Croatia had a free kick just outside of the box. The Turkish goalie began directing his team to form a wall against the Croatian attempt. Aren’t walls racist? Especially between former empires and their liberated satrapies?

  135. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…three dozen black students…”

    With numbers that small, one clique of smart West Indies blacks (Colin Powel) or light-skinned US blacks could really change the average. (I’ve known some; they are out there; the numbers are small.) If you’re talking about 36 or so students, a couple of smart families with “strivers” that don’t have anti-school attitudes could easily change the black average, not to mention encourage other blacks not to fall into the anti-school attitude trap.

    If there are a lot of white students, whites as smart as the smartest blacks won’t change the white average so much.

    You need to find schools where the numbers of whites and blacks provide better sample sizes, but I suppose that is your point.

  136. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Mr. Unz, have some fun from this duplicate:

    I personally love Fourier series and Fourier transforms, and I have to pretend that I also like Lebesgue integration,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebesgue_integration .
    However, I despise it.
    *
    There is a joke about military teacher, who derives on a blackboard the formula for the distance, to which a projectile will fly, being shot with initial velocity “v” from a gun, elevated at an angle α (alpha) with respect to horizontal direction.
    Correct formula is
    D = [2*sin(α)*cos(α)*v^2]/g ,
    where g is gravity acceleration, g=9.8 m/second^2 =(equiv)= 32 ft/sec^2.
    In the process of derivation he makes a typo somewhere, and writes on the blackboard
    D = [2*sin(α)*v^2]/[g*cos(α)],
    i.e. cos(α) got into denominator instead of numerator.
    Some arrogant and self-confident private asks him:
    “Sir Colonel, Sir ! What if angle α approaches 90 degrees ? Will the distance go to infinity, as cos(α) goes to zero ?”
    Colonel thinks for couple of minutes, and then answers with definiteness:
    “No, distance will not go to infinity,
    since each big gun has special stopper at α=88 degrees.
    *
    All those Lebesgue tricks about convergence of an integral to finite value are unnecessary in real problems, since there always exists
    physical stopper at high frequencies“,
    which renders high frequency divergence non-existent.
    Elimination of divergences in Quantum Electrodynamics
    (Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga, Nobel prize 1965, http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/ ) went not in the direction of Lebesgue integration, but in reformulation of Physical picture (compare to Hans Bethe.)

    To conclude: I only pretend to have loyalty to Lebesgue integration.

    Shouldn’t you simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a)?

    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you for your comment.
    Sure you can simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a),
    but then the source of typo would be less evident.
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Derivation of the expression for distance naturally leads to 2*sin(alpha)*cos(alpha).
    Here it is.
    Time to fly to the upper point of trajectory may be found from
    v_z(t_top)=v * sin(alpha) - g * t_top = 0, so that t_top = v * sin(alpha)/g.
    Total flight time T = 2*t_top.
    Distance D = v_x * T = v * cos(alpha) * T = 2 * sin(alpha) * cos(alpha) * v^2 / g.
    My regards to you, Mr. Franz Czerny Alkan.
  137. • Replies: @Divine Right
    100 years ago, Republicans were pretty good trustbusters. Perhaps a president Trump might consider returning to that position in regards to Google, Facebook, etc.
  138. @SFG
    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone's occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It's not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that's very hard to convince a liberal of.

    Don’t forget Charles Whitman at the University of Texas who killed 14 and wounded 32.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

  139. @biz
    Who knows. Club kids are usually not that interested in political questions.

    “Club kids are usually not that interested in political questions.”

    I know. I’m not suggesting they were news junkies or politically active. But I bet that as a matter of course their views, however unformed and/or uninformed, pretty much followed the standard leftwing line. The default or factory setting, so to speak.

  140. @Anonymous
    Shouldn't you simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a)?

    Thank you for your comment.
    Sure you can simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a),
    but then the source of typo would be less evident.

  141. Also today, also in Orlando, a nerdy looking white male shot a reality TV musician while she was signing autographs at her concert. That probably would have been pretty big news otherwise.

  142. @flyingtiger
    Milo? From Milo Minderbinder from Catch 22? I would have named my kids after Orr.That man could do anything!

    Maybe Milo from “The Phantom Tollbooth?”

  143. @Jonathan Revusky
    You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this...

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you.... fool me 237 times... maybe it's time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something.

    Mr. Revusky, you told us you’ll leave this place and not comment here anymore.

    I just wanted to let you know we’ll miss you a lot.

  144. @Jonathan Revusky
    You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this...

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you.... fool me 237 times... maybe it's time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something.

    “You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this…

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you…. fool me 237 times… maybe it’s time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something.”

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.

    So, serious and sincere question – what’s the real story?

    No, I’m not clicking through to some rambling website. Just explain it to me.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?
     
    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy "swore loyalty" to ISIS.... cripes, I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and...

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

     

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That's how things work.

    As for what's really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a "lone nut gunman" who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.
     
    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.
  145. @Jefferson
    I can't wait to hear the politically incorrect things Bill Maher is going to say about Islam on the next episode of his show. Bill Maher is literally the only Liberal on the entire planet who hates Islam. You won't find any other Liberal on the planet who shares the same views on Islam as Bill Maher does. Every other Liberal on the planet would sacrifice their own children for increased Muslim immigration into Western nations. Liberals have never met a Muslim that they didn't like.

    You can include Dawkins as another liberal who doesn’t like Islam. Not sure how liberal Sam Harris is, though he does strike me as somewhat liberal.

  146. @Olorin
    Finally! A place to plug this in for all you maths types.

    From earlier this month, math blogger/prof Terry Tao and commenters (many outside the US) talking about why Trump "is not fit to be president of the US":

    https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/it-ought-to-be-common-knowledge-that-donald-trump-is-not-fit-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states-of-america/

    Demonstrating yet again that math geeks do better with calculus jokes than complicated human stuff like politics/leadership.

    Tao's on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal with some Russians about a decade ago.

    A simpler one:

    Did you hear about the time an infinite number of mathematicians walked into a bar?

    First one asks the bartender for a beer.

    Second asks for 1/2 of a beer.

    Third asks for 1/3th, fourth, 1/4th, and so on.

    When the tenth mathematician puts in his beer order for 1/10th of a beer, the bartender, himself having a degree in math, roars, "Get the hell out of here, all of you! You're going to bankrupt me!"

    (Harmonic series diverges to infinity.)

    Thank you for your reaction and joke.
    Terrence Tao got Fields medal in 2006 simultaneously with Andrei Okounkov
    2006 Grigori Perelman (declined) (both originally from Russia) and Wendelin Werner (ETH Zurich, Switzerland).
    By the structure of your sentence I originally thought that you, Mr. Olorin, shared Fields medal with the people above:

    Tao’s on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal

    It will take some time for me to type the joke, opposite to your one.
    My best to you.

  147. @Flip
    I would admit every single white South African who wanted to come to America, vacuous or otherwise.

    “I would admit every single white South African who wanted to come to America, vacuous or otherwise.”

    Me too. Hell, I’d love to go live on an island with just them, and leave this sinking shit-boat behind, if that were an option.

  148. http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

    QUOTE: “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” Casey said.

    Someone should ask Casey whether that statement of his applies to the Orlando shootings as well.

    And here’s a contest. Find the best ways to complete the sentence:

    “As horrific as this tragedy was, if [……………], I think that’s worse.”

    My entries:

    [the LGQT community decides that white Republicans are not the #1 enemy]

    [we start securing our borders]

    [Donald Trump is elected President]

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "And here’s a contest. Find the best ways to complete the sentence:

    “As horrific as this tragedy was, if [……………], I think that’s worse.”"

    As horrific as this tragedy was, if I myself were to be murdered, I think that’s worse.

  149. @Felix.

    As usual, the jihadis have impeccable timing. Stroll into a gay bar and kill 20 homosexuals less than 5 months before the election, and the day after a deranged white male stalked and killed a celebrity in the same state. Talk about sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Time to confiscate “journalists’” belts and shoe strings. They’ll be on suicide watch for a spell.
     
    No kidding. Someone should keep an eye out for Steve, as well. Here he is in his moment of triumph, and Omar "Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it" Mateen comes in and steals his thunder in this very thread.

    Steve should have quickly created a separate thread after this happened.

  150. @Bill Jones
    Here's an interesting analysis of Google Pro-Hillary bias.
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/here-are-10-more-examples-of-google-search-results-favorable-to-hillary/

    100 years ago, Republicans were pretty good trustbusters. Perhaps a president Trump might consider returning to that position in regards to Google, Facebook, etc.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    But Google isn't a monopoly. I use DuckDuckGo. Lots of people use Bing. Yahoo had its shot at the brass ring.
  151. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    And I have found a country where White Christian Homophobes kill more gays than Muslims do.

    Oh, wait.

  152. @Flip
    I liked her in Last Days of Disco. That was before her illegitimate child however.

    What illegitimate child?

    • Replies: @Flip
    She has a daughter from her ex-boyfriend, but they never married.
  153. @Daniel H
    >>Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    In Europe, no. But let's see how this plays out. Game-changer? Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an "American citizen", as if that makes any difference. In fact this incident makes the case for those of us who understand what Islam is all about, that there is no hope of "assimilating" Islam. Yes, individual Muslims can appear to be assimilated to civilized norms but as long as they are in Islam's orbit they can turn into monsters if they get a little religion.

    It will be a game-changer with the abortion issue if "science" discovers a way to determine if a fetus is likely to turn out gay.

    There are no game changers short of buying the NY Times, WAPO or a major network.

  154. @MKP
    "You guys all believe this bullcrap, huh?

    You really think there is some political movement there in the Middle East called ISIS, fell0ws who sit around thinking about how they are going to kill some pansies in Florida.

    And you believe that some Muslim born in New York in 1987 flipped out and went on a murder spree because he saw two men kissing for the first time in his blessed life. You guys really believe something like this…

    You guys are all such pathetic fools. Fool me once, shame on you…. fool me 237 times… maybe it’s time to wise up a bit. Go on ebay and find a second-hand brain or something."

    ... alright, I'll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him "flip out," or did he NOT actually "flip out" and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What's really happening?

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone - from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum - at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.

    So, serious and sincere question - what's the real story?

    No, I'm not clicking through to some rambling website. Just explain it to me.

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?

    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy “swore loyalty” to ISIS…. cripes, I don’t even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and…

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That’s how things work.

    As for what’s really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a “lone nut gunman” who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.

    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.
     
    The simplest answer …
    , @reiner Tor
    Mr. Revusky, I am so sad that you are just about to leave this site, and not comment here anymore.

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody."

    Actually the typical line pushed by people like you is that nobody died at all. They were just crisis actors, right? Isn't that what you think? Go on, you can admit it.

    And, why you're at it, enlighten us all on the Moon Hoax. Tell us all what you learned from Bart Sibrel and Dave McGowan.

    And perhaps you can tell us why you only ever - ever - pipe up hear to push a "false-flag" story.

    My theory? You're a CIA-paid shill, obviously.
    , @Cloudbuster
    Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody.

    Oh, for Pete's sake....
  155. Marty [AKA "Harvard Hates America"] says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Who? Which actresses? Jennifer Lawrence? Who? Don't know what you're reading to come to that conclusion.

    Actually, very few Jewish women marry black, or outside the tribe at all. Most synagogues don't have a significant mulatto representation.

    In SF there’s a boomer lawyer named Gilda Turitz. On her CV she states that “at 17, I resolved to marry a Black man.”

  156. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Who? Which actresses? Jennifer Lawrence? Who? Don't know what you're reading to come to that conclusion.

    Actually, very few Jewish women marry black, or outside the tribe at all. Most synagogues don't have a significant mulatto representation.

    Jennifer Lawrence does not have Jewish ancestry.

  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @prole
    The Muslim shooter called 911 and claimed allegiance to ISIS before shooting the 94 victims..

    We need to ban Muslim immigration now to reduce the risks of their children becoming terrorists in 25 years. Just as in France, it appears the children of Muslim immigrants pose a significant risk. Trump will most likely win the state of Florida now.

    The Muslim shooter called 911 and claimed allegiance to ISIS before shooting the 94 victims..

    And now ISIS have claimed it. And still the leftists deny, deny, deny. Kind of funny the lengths Islamic terrorists have to go to to get some credit for their jihadist efforts in our suicidal society.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    And now ISIS have claimed it.
     
    I'm curious. What is the nature of the ISIS "claim"? Does ISIS have a Twitter account? Facebook? Was there some verifiable ISIS spokesman who showed up in a press conference and said that this was an ISIS operation?
  158. @Svigor
    Media likes to associate mass shootings with white males, but top two in US history were non-white: Mateen at 50 (so far, many are in critical condition), far and away the highest body count, and Virginia Tech shooter Seun-hui Cho in second at 32.

    And Cho mostly shot up a bunch of Southern whites, so who cares about those anyway. 1 gay is worth more than 32 of them these days. GLM

  159. @Kylie
    I wonder how many of the Muslim shooter's victims were disgusted by and contemptuous of the closed borders POV.

    Bet many if not most were all for open borders, inclusion, outreach to Muslims, tolerance, diversity, etc.

    I often find gays to be less SJW on race matters than one might assume. Peter Thiel. Milo Whatshisname. The Nazi high command.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Let me be blunt. I bet Hillary lost more prospective voters in that massacre than Trump did.
  160. @Jack Hanson
    OT:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/12/shooting-mass-casualty-situation-orlando-gay-nightclub/

    Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    No. Muslim trump gays, no question about it. The only interesting question left is Muslims vs blacks.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "No. Muslim trump gays, no question about it. The only interesting question left is Muslims vs blacks."

    Mark my words, one day there is going to be a Muslim version of Dylann Roof who will shoot up a Black Christian church. When that happens, will Black Lies Matter protest outside of mosques? Are Black Lies Matter going to chant MUSLIMS IN A BLANKET FRY EM LIKE BACON?
    https://youtu.be/mTuf8wAtgkA
  161. @Olorin
    Finally! A place to plug this in for all you maths types.

    From earlier this month, math blogger/prof Terry Tao and commenters (many outside the US) talking about why Trump "is not fit to be president of the US":

    https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/it-ought-to-be-common-knowledge-that-donald-trump-is-not-fit-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states-of-america/

    Demonstrating yet again that math geeks do better with calculus jokes than complicated human stuff like politics/leadership.

    Tao's on the faculty at UCLA and I think shared the Fields Medal with some Russians about a decade ago.

    A simpler one:

    Did you hear about the time an infinite number of mathematicians walked into a bar?

    First one asks the bartender for a beer.

    Second asks for 1/2 of a beer.

    Third asks for 1/3th, fourth, 1/4th, and so on.

    When the tenth mathematician puts in his beer order for 1/10th of a beer, the bartender, himself having a degree in math, roars, "Get the hell out of here, all of you! You're going to bankrupt me!"

    (Harmonic series diverges to infinity.)

    A story about Mathematician and Physicist.
    A beautiful naked lady is standing in one of the corners of the room
    with diagonal size D = 20 meters.
    Conditions: the contestant is located originally at the other angle of that diagonal.
    He is allowed to make half the distance (10 meters) in the first minute, half of the remaining distance (5 meters) in the next minute, half of the remaining distance (2.5 meters) in the next minute, etc.

    Mathematician quickly calculates that the
    Sum of (delta t) = (1 min)*Sum[delta(n)]=(proportional to)=
    Sum{delta[log(D – z)]}=(proportional to)=[integral(dz/z)] yields logarithmically-divergent time to reach zero distance
    (your divergent harmonic series). So he goes away in utter dissatisfaction.

    Physicist understands that he does not need to reach zero distance; distance about 5 centimeters will be enough, so total time is about
    (1 minute)*log_base2(20m/0.05m)=(approx.)=9 minutes. OK, says Physicist.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Ha! Very nice.

    Alternative punchline:

    By then the beautiful naked lady has left with the buff bodybuilding psychopathic Islamic terrorist.
  162. @flyingtiger
    In the USA the victim list seems to be:
    1) gays
    2) Muslims
    3) womyn
    4)Hispanic
    5) Blacks

    Bizarre ranking.

  163. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Don’t forget Charles Whitman at the University of Texas who killed 14 and wounded 32.”

    Something sad about this case is that it is one where the shooter at least made an attempt to get mental help. He also had a brain tumor the size of a pecan, which might or might not have had anything to do with it, who knows.

    Charles Whitman, Investigation of medical history:

    “…During the autopsy… a brain tumor… the size of a pecan…

    … “…tumor conceivably could have contributed to his inability to control his emotions and actions…” … “…existing knowledge of organic brain function does not enable us to explain the actions”…

    …Whitman had seen a minimum of five doctors between the fall and winter of 1965, before he had visited a psychiatrist… recommended he visit the campus psychiatrist…

    …met with Maurice Dean Heatly, the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center… referred to his visit with Heatly in his final suicide note. He said, “I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come [sic] overwhelming violent impulses.” …”

    I knew someone who was on campus at the time.

  164. @Anonymous

    The Muslim shooter called 911 and claimed allegiance to ISIS before shooting the 94 victims..
     
    And now ISIS have claimed it. And still the leftists deny, deny, deny. Kind of funny the lengths Islamic terrorists have to go to to get some credit for their jihadist efforts in our suicidal society.

    And now ISIS have claimed it.

    I’m curious. What is the nature of the ISIS “claim”? Does ISIS have a Twitter account? Facebook? Was there some verifiable ISIS spokesman who showed up in a press conference and said that this was an ISIS operation?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I know what you mean.

    I imagine that Trump paid him to commit a false-flag attack so he can convince all the gays in the US that they should vote for him.

    He's probably working on some anti-Lesbian attacks by Muslims right now. After that he will work on the bisexuals.
  165. @Svigor
    NY Post says Mateen used automatic weapons. Assuming this isn't (all too typical) journalistic ignorance of what that means, then the weapon he used was probably illegal. Thus no gun grabbing angle for the left. This thing is shaping up as if written to put them on their back foot.

    Nah, I think he had an AR-15 and a Glock 17.

  166. @unit472
    I recall that the black academic achievement gap was often narrower during elementary school but that the gap widens as children reach adolescence. Whether this was due to compensatory programs like Head Start, the ease of teaching to the test at the elementary level, the corrosive influence of black culture as puberty kicks in or that math and reading material becomes more difficult after the 3 R's who knows but I'd be surprised if the black kids in this elementary school retain their advantage in junior high.

    No program including Head Start ever improved cognitive ability. Head Start helps kids with behavior: listen better, less fighting, more likely to graduate, etc.

    The black kids at Carpenter are actually bright. If we knew their parents’ backgrounds everything would make sense. The school is a charter school with a small window of time to enroll which usually keeps the Trayvons of the world out. The new Common Core exam is much harder to game compared to previous state exams.

    A few weeks ago a black student went missing from Columbia University. It is rare for a black parent to have an interest in their child so I found it strange that her mother knew the names of all of her friends and had their phone numbers. The mother also knew all of her daughter’s achievements from high school. Turns out the mother has a PhD in toxicology from MIT and is a cancer researcher. The whole bizarre incident made sense to me after I learned mom’s background.

  167. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?
     
    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy "swore loyalty" to ISIS.... cripes, I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and...

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

     

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That's how things work.

    As for what's really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a "lone nut gunman" who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.
     
    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.

    There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    The simplest answer …

  168. @Jonathan Revusky

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?
     
    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy "swore loyalty" to ISIS.... cripes, I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and...

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

     

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That's how things work.

    As for what's really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a "lone nut gunman" who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.
     
    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.

    Mr. Revusky, I am so sad that you are just about to leave this site, and not comment here anymore.

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.
     
    I have no theory. I don't know anything about that. Why are you asking me about that of all things?
    , @vinteuil
    Heh - well pwned, rT.
  169. @Big Bill
    The shooter was a registered Democrat and regular voter:

    http://flvoters.com/by_number/1144/84524_omar_mir_seddique_mateen.html

    What drives Democrats to mass murder so often?

    Your typical Bernie Bro… Being a Sanders supporter, he probably went nuts after Hillary got the nomination.

  170. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…who is the grandson of an NCO in the tsarist cavalry and the son of someone named after Robert E. Lee…”

    Here’s an interesting link that might amuse you… the US Civil War might have turned out very differently if not for the Imperial Russian Navy. The Confederacy was likely counting on Britain (and perhaps France) jumping in on its side, both to maintain access to cotton and stick it to the US. The Confederate government was likely not initially planning on having to defeat the North all by itself… but European politics was such that, guess where ships of the Imperial Russian Navy were during the middle of the US Civil War?

    “…In 1863, during the American Civil War, the Russian Navy’s Atlantic and Pacific Fleets wintered in the American ports of New York and San Francisco respectively. Some historians credit this visit as a major factor in deterring France and the UK from entering the war on the Confederate side. Delahaye states that besides supporting the Union, Russia was also preparing for a war with France and the UK should they intervene in the Polish insurrection of 1863. The Russian Navy was weak and could easily be blockaded in its home ports, but if it was in the US when the war started it could more easily attack British and French commerce.

    The Imperial Russian Navy continued to expand in the later part of the century becoming the third largest fleet in the world after the UK and France. …”

  171. @Svigor
    Media likes to associate mass shootings with white males, but top two in US history were non-white: Mateen at 50 (so far, many are in critical condition), far and away the highest body count, and Virginia Tech shooter Seun-hui Cho in second at 32.

    “Media likes to associate mass shootings with white males, but top two in US history were non-white: Mateen at 50 (so far, many are in critical condition), far and away the highest body count, and Virginia Tech shooter Seun-hui Cho in second at 32.”

    I often browse Left Wing discussion boards because I like to be up to date on what my enemies think, you know keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Whenever a mass shooting occurs, they always pray & hope that the shooter is a White male and not a Muslim or some other Person Of Color.

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  173. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Svigor
    NY Post says Mateen used automatic weapons. Assuming this isn't (all too typical) journalistic ignorance of what that means, then the weapon he used was probably illegal. Thus no gun grabbing angle for the left. This thing is shaping up as if written to put them on their back foot.

    Hah, the Washington post tells us he had an assault-style semi-automatic weapon:

    Neither probe turned up evidence of wrongdoing, and Mateen had a blemish-free record when he applied for a Florida license to carry concealed weapons and again when he legally purchased two firearms, including an assault-style semiautomatic rifle, just a few days before the shootings.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/ex-wife-of-suspected-orlando-shooter-he-beat-me/2016/06/12/8a1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

    I guess that will be the next plank in the propaganda war.

    How long before they start calling for a ban on assault-style knives?

  174. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    And now ISIS have claimed it.
     
    I'm curious. What is the nature of the ISIS "claim"? Does ISIS have a Twitter account? Facebook? Was there some verifiable ISIS spokesman who showed up in a press conference and said that this was an ISIS operation?

    I know what you mean.

    I imagine that Trump paid him to commit a false-flag attack so he can convince all the gays in the US that they should vote for him.

    He’s probably working on some anti-Lesbian attacks by Muslims right now. After that he will work on the bisexuals.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    I posed a question. Do you have an answer?

    What is the nature of ISIS "claiming responsibility"? They have an official Twitter account? A website? What is it?
  175. @Anonymous
    No. Muslim trump gays, no question about it. The only interesting question left is Muslims vs blacks.

    “No. Muslim trump gays, no question about it. The only interesting question left is Muslims vs blacks.”

    Mark my words, one day there is going to be a Muslim version of Dylann Roof who will shoot up a Black Christian church. When that happens, will Black Lies Matter protest outside of mosques? Are Black Lies Matter going to chant MUSLIMS IN A BLANKET FRY EM LIKE BACON?

  176. @Jonathan Revusky

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?
     
    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy "swore loyalty" to ISIS.... cripes, I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and...

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

     

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That's how things work.

    As for what's really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a "lone nut gunman" who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.
     
    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.

    “As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody.”

    Actually the typical line pushed by people like you is that nobody died at all. They were just crisis actors, right? Isn’t that what you think? Go on, you can admit it.

    And, why you’re at it, enlighten us all on the Moon Hoax. Tell us all what you learned from Bart Sibrel and Dave McGowan.

    And perhaps you can tell us why you only ever – ever – pipe up hear to push a “false-flag” story.

    My theory? You’re a CIA-paid shill, obviously.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    I remember you. I remember I asked you what the strongest evidence available was for the official 9/11 story, you know, Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda etcetera. You tried to avoid answering but then made some lame attempt or other.

    Remind me: what was the evidence that you provided finally for the official 9/11 story?
    , @The most deplorable one
    We're on the f*cking moon:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2VXyfvZxSU
  177. @calvin Hobbes
    http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

    QUOTE: “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” Casey said.

    Someone should ask Casey whether that statement of his applies to the Orlando shootings as well.

    And here's a contest. Find the best ways to complete the sentence:

    “As horrific as this tragedy was, if [……………], I think that’s worse.”

    My entries:

    [the LGQT community decides that white Republicans are not the #1 enemy]

    [we start securing our borders]

    [Donald Trump is elected President]

    “And here’s a contest. Find the best ways to complete the sentence:

    “As horrific as this tragedy was, if [……………], I think that’s worse.””

    As horrific as this tragedy was, if I myself were to be murdered, I think that’s worse.

  178. Well, at least there’s 51 fewer Hillary voters now.

    If the media were as powerful as you suggest, Trump wouldn’t be within the margin of error of Hillary in nat’l polls. Last time I checked, anyway.

    Maybe it’s a million votes. This is going to be all over social media.

    Nah, I think he had an AR-15 and a Glock 17.

    As I understand it, a good number of the legal select-fire/auto weapons are AR-15s with a small drop-in part added. These are the easiest way to smuggle in an illegal select-fire weapon to this country.

    Meaning, I’ll wait and see.

  179. @Curle
    I often find gays to be less SJW on race matters than one might assume. Peter Thiel. Milo Whatshisname. The Nazi high command.

    Let me be blunt. I bet Hillary lost more prospective voters in that massacre than Trump did.

  180. @reiner Tor
    Mr. Revusky, I am so sad that you are just about to leave this site, and not comment here anymore.

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.

    I have no theory. I don’t know anything about that. Why are you asking me about that of all things?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "Why are you asking me about that of all things?"

    It's ISteve. Forget it, Jake.
  181. K, looks like you were right, they’re saying it was semi-auto.

  182. @middle aged vet
    My grandfather, God Bless his cranky soul, was an NCO in the Tsarist army. I, his grandson, had the fantastic blessing of being born in a world where everybody spoke Shakespeare's language. "Elevation beyond 88 degrees is not permitted" is, to me, better than "there is a special stopper at 88 degrees". (Not that I am all that interesting of a person, but another fun trivia fact is that there is at least one person in this world - that would be me, but that is inconsequential - who is the grandson of an NCO in the tsarist cavalry and the son of someone named after Robert E. Lee). "Special stopper" sounds in colloquial English like girl talk, which is all right in its place, but really artillery and girl talk are not all that commensurable.

    Thank you for your comment.
    Following your “pushkinist” handle, I suggest excerpt from
    “The talk of publisher with poet” by A. S. Pushkin.
    Разговор книгопродавца с поэтом
    […]
    Что слава?— Яркая заплата
    На ветхом рубище певца.
    Нам нужно злата, злата, злата:
    Копите злато до конца!
    Предвижу ваше возраженье;
    Но вас я знаю, господа:
    Вам ваше дорого творенье,
    Пока на пламени труда
    Кипит, бурлит воображенье;
    Оно застынет, и тогда
    Постыло вам и сочиненье.
    Позвольте просто вам сказать:
    Не продается вдохновенье,
    Но можно рукопись продать.

    […]
    Translation for Mr. Schiller/Nietzsche:

    […]
    What is glory: it is just a bright piece of cloth,
    Sewn to the bleak coat of the singer.
    You value your work,
    While inspiration is still there,
    And imagination still inflames your mind.
    When it chills down,
    Your writings give revulsion to you.
    The inspiration’s not for sale,
    But you can sell the manuscript.

    […]
    My best to Mr. “pushkinist”

  183. @Chrisnonymous
    go=continue being?

    No, it’s definitely noticeably worse during Ramadan. It’s a nasty combination of hunger and the month’s holiness. Sacred occasions provoke a desire to wreck stuff and kill kuffar and apostates. That’s why there’s always so much destruction in the Middle East on Fridays.

  184. @Mr. Anon
    "As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody."

    Actually the typical line pushed by people like you is that nobody died at all. They were just crisis actors, right? Isn't that what you think? Go on, you can admit it.

    And, why you're at it, enlighten us all on the Moon Hoax. Tell us all what you learned from Bart Sibrel and Dave McGowan.

    And perhaps you can tell us why you only ever - ever - pipe up hear to push a "false-flag" story.

    My theory? You're a CIA-paid shill, obviously.

    I remember you. I remember I asked you what the strongest evidence available was for the official 9/11 story, you know, Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda etcetera. You tried to avoid answering but then made some lame attempt or other.

    Remind me: what was the evidence that you provided finally for the official 9/11 story?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    No, I did answer you. You ignored it and, probably, didn't understand my reply because you are a nitwit.

    Still won't answer us what you think about the Moon landing, eh? Why is that? Afraid of what people will think of you? Think it will damage your credibility? Don't worry. It won't. You have none.
  185. @The most deplorable one
    I know what you mean.

    I imagine that Trump paid him to commit a false-flag attack so he can convince all the gays in the US that they should vote for him.

    He's probably working on some anti-Lesbian attacks by Muslims right now. After that he will work on the bisexuals.

    I posed a question. Do you have an answer?

    What is the nature of ISIS “claiming responsibility”? They have an official Twitter account? A website? What is it?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I posed a question. Do you have an answer?"

    Actually arguing with your kind is a waste of time. Might as well try to reason with a squirrel.
  186. @Dew
    I'm currently in Orlando, visiting some relatives. Heard it on the radio. The sheer amount of deaths and wounded is quite shocking. I predict that the left is going to frame this as a gun control issue. This is an awkward case for them since it involves two protected minorities.

    Trump could get some blame by the media and Muslim defenders. It would a very stupid thing to do since they have to bring up the recent "pissing off Muslims makes them do terrorist acts, so don't insult them or they may attack" argument. It contradicts the "Islam has nothing to do with these attacks" argument (which is also false).

    Something interesting to know, apparently after escaping some of the club goers blocked the emergency exit door they had left from. Probably lead to more deaths. Go to 3:20 in this video.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140/

    Something interesting to know, apparently after escaping some of the club goers blocked the emergency exit door they had left from. Probably lead to more deaths. Go to 3:20 in this video.

    I listened to it and was astounded by the narcissism and cowardice of the speaker.

  187. @Anonymous
    What illegitimate child?

    She has a daughter from her ex-boyfriend, but they never married.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sheen? Thought they were married. So it was common law marriage then... Whatever, it's pretty much the same thing.
  188. @Divine Right
    100 years ago, Republicans were pretty good trustbusters. Perhaps a president Trump might consider returning to that position in regards to Google, Facebook, etc.

    But Google isn’t a monopoly. I use DuckDuckGo. Lots of people use Bing. Yahoo had its shot at the brass ring.

  189. @Jonathan Revusky

    … alright, I’ll bite. Explain the real situation. Is there NOT a political movement called ISIS? Did this guy NOT, as reported, swear loyalty to ISIS?
     
    I am not sure that there is a real political movement called ISIS, no. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. You seem to think there is, so given that, please tell me what political goals that this movement has that are served by killing some random gays in a bar in Florida.

    As for whether the guy "swore loyalty" to ISIS.... cripes, I don't even know what that means. I mean, somebody on the other side of the world could swear loyalty to me, Jonathan Revusky, and then go kill some people. Probably he did not swear any loyalty to ISIS. It sounds like some bullshit story they made up to plant vague ideas in your mind. They want to justify some military operation there in the Middle East, and...

    Why did he shoot 102 people? What made him “flip out,” or did he NOT actually “flip out” and this was the act of a rational person? Or did this not really happen at all? What’s really happening?

     

    As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody. In any case, if you are so sure that this person did all this shooting, the onus is on you to provide the proof that he did. That's how things work.

    As for what's really happening, I never claimed to know. I do know that when you have this kind of narrative, in particular involving a "lone nut gunman" who is now conveniently dead, whatever the authorities tell you happened is not what happened. That does not logically imply that I know what did happen. There are two basic possibilities though, a false flag operation, in which the people really were shot, or an outright hoax in which the victims are fake as well. I have no idea which it is.

    While people will agree on the causes and the meanings, everyone – from big media to eyewitnesses, and from all parts of the political spectrum – at least appear to agree on the facts here. Except you.
     
    Well, even if it is true that everybody believes the story except me, that is not proof of the story. Of course, I doubt very much that everybody except me believes this story. I mean some of this is because you may not get out that much. For example, maybe everybody you know believes that they killed Bin Laden in Pakistan and then threw his body in the sea. However, in the wider world, an awful lot of people do not believe this. Again, I do not know exactly what happened there either. I just know that the official story is surely false.

    Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody.

    Oh, for Pete’s sake….

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations...."

    What you have to understand about Revusky and his ilk is that they understand very little. The understanding of people who are wilfully stupid is really little understanding at all.

  190. @Daniel H
    >>Do gays top Muslims on the progressive victim totem pole? Now we find out!

    In Europe, no. But let's see how this plays out. Game-changer? Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an "American citizen", as if that makes any difference. In fact this incident makes the case for those of us who understand what Islam is all about, that there is no hope of "assimilating" Islam. Yes, individual Muslims can appear to be assimilated to civilized norms but as long as they are in Islam's orbit they can turn into monsters if they get a little religion.

    It will be a game-changer with the abortion issue if "science" discovers a way to determine if a fetus is likely to turn out gay.

    Media is already harping on the fact that the shooter was an “American citizen”,

    Hey, just like Judge Curiel!

    We all know anchor babies never act against American interests, right?

  191. @TheJester
    Disagree. I grew up in small towns in the Midwest in which boys as early as the 6st grade had a .22 rifle or 410 shotgun. Yes, you heard me right. It was part of the culture ... part of being a boy and growing up. One 6th grade friend of mine pulled his 410 shotgun out of his closet, showed it to me, and lectured me on gun safety. A few years later, another friend invited me to his rural home for target practice with his .22. I was not part of this tradition, but then I was an outlier.

    NEVER, NEVER from kindergarten through high school was there a incident or accident with guns and youth in these small towns. But, this was back in the days when children had parents who raised them. This was back in the days when people had sex-based roles in society. You taught your sons how to use a gun, taught them how to drive, taught them how to treat women, and pressed them to do something useful with their lives. Mothers were also actively teaching their daughters how to become effective wives and mothers. (BTW: They also taught civics in school.) The common theme was teaching youth to accept responsibility and be responsible.

    Something changed in our culture ... and it is not the presence or absence of guns.

    Wow. That sounds bizarre to me, but in a good way. Since it’s rude to ask someone’s age…what decade were you born in? (I was born at the end of the 1970s.)

  192. @SFG
    You have to be honest: in a nation of 300 million with easy access to guns someone's occasionally going to go off the deep end and do something like this. It's not even political half the time: remember Columbine, or Jared Lee Loughner? (Of course those two led to a few articles about how evil white males are.)

    You might consider that an unfortunate downside of a policy designed to protect citizens against their government, but that's very hard to convince a liberal of.

    I should add: I’m not arguing that certain groups may not be *more likely* to do these things–there sure have been an awful lot of attacks by Muslims these days.

  193. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "As for why this person shot 102 people, I have no idea whether this is even true. Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody."

    Actually the typical line pushed by people like you is that nobody died at all. They were just crisis actors, right? Isn't that what you think? Go on, you can admit it.

    And, why you're at it, enlighten us all on the Moon Hoax. Tell us all what you learned from Bart Sibrel and Dave McGowan.

    And perhaps you can tell us why you only ever - ever - pipe up hear to push a "false-flag" story.

    My theory? You're a CIA-paid shill, obviously.

    We’re on the f*cking moon:

  194. @Cloudbuster
    Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations, the most likely hypothesis is that the individual question is just a patsy and did not shoot anybody.

    Oh, for Pete's sake....

    “Based on my understanding of prior Deep State operations….”

    What you have to understand about Revusky and his ilk is that they understand very little. The understanding of people who are wilfully stupid is really little understanding at all.

  195. Brain tumors and mental illness must not’ve been too acute; he beat the previous US record for number of victims in a mass shooting, by a huge margin.

    Revusky = joke.

  196. SFG, I’m a bit older than you. I grew up right in the middle of a a small southern city, not town, and I had a 20 gauge, a 410, and a .22 mag several years before high school.

  197. A lapsed Orthodox Jewish CUNY math professor has been working on creating the next generation of black academic stars.
    https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/742024745684701184

  198. @Immigrant from former USSR
    A story about Mathematician and Physicist.
    A beautiful naked lady is standing in one of the corners of the room
    with diagonal size D = 20 meters.
    Conditions: the contestant is located originally at the other angle of that diagonal.
    He is allowed to make half the distance (10 meters) in the first minute, half of the remaining distance (5 meters) in the next minute, half of the remaining distance (2.5 meters) in the next minute, etc.

    Mathematician quickly calculates that the
    Sum of (delta t) = (1 min)*Sum[delta(n)]=(proportional to)=
    Sum{delta[log(D - z)]}=(proportional to)=[integral(dz/z)] yields logarithmically-divergent time to reach zero distance
    (your divergent harmonic series). So he goes away in utter dissatisfaction.

    Physicist understands that he does not need to reach zero distance; distance about 5 centimeters will be enough, so total time is about
    (1 minute)*log_base2(20m/0.05m)=(approx.)=9 minutes. OK, says Physicist.

    Ha! Very nice.

    Alternative punchline:

    By then the beautiful naked lady has left with the buff bodybuilding psychopathic Islamic terrorist.

  199. @Jonathan Revusky

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.
     
    I have no theory. I don't know anything about that. Why are you asking me about that of all things?

    “Why are you asking me about that of all things?”

    It’s ISteve. Forget it, Jake.

  200. @reiner Tor
    Mr. Revusky, I am so sad that you are just about to leave this site, and not comment here anymore.

    Please, just one more comment: what is your theory on the death of The Greatest of All? I mean, Paul Walker.

    Heh – well pwned, rT.

  201. @Immigrant from former USSR
    On a personal note, when our daughter was in 2002-2006 at the Dept. of Chemistry and Chem. Biology of Cornell U., she attended there a public meeting with Emeritus Professor Bethe, 1967 Nobel Prize winner. Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
    I.f.f.U.

    Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.

    If it makes you feel any better, I, too, attended a relatively small public lecture by Hans Bethe when I was probably about your daughter’s age, and I also was too shy to go and shake his hand—despite the fact Bethe had been PhD thesis advisor to a relative.

    According to my relative, who was at Cornell in the late 1950s, everybody in the Physics department back then really missed Richard Feynman, who had left some years previously and was the life and soul of the department. Bethe was considered to be rather boring and dry, for all his genius and celebrity as the star of the department.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hans Albrecht Bethe (German: [ˈhans ˈalbʁɛçt ˈbeːtə]; July 2, 1906 – March 6, 2005)

    Who was the last of the atom bomb physicists? Maybe

    John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008)

    Among physicists who did WWII work (but not atom bomb work), there's

    Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923)

    , @Steve Sailer
    Hans Albrecht Bethe (German: [ˈhans ˈalbʁɛçt ˈbeːtə]; July 2, 1906 – March 6, 2005)

    Who was the last of the atom bomb physicists? Maybe

    John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008)

    Among physicists who did WWII work (but not atom bomb work), there's still alive:

    Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923)

    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you, PiltdownMan, indeed,
    for your warm words.

    I can accept Bethe being whatever you or your relative say.
    But he has essentially solved the problem of Lamb-shift
    before Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga.
    It was done in non-relativistic approximation, with rough cut-off at energy about m_e*c^2;
    that was sufficient, since divergence was only logarithmic:
    ln(m_e*c^2/Ry) = 2*ln(137)=9.84 is a big number in comparison with 1.
    And Bethe's theory of energy transfer under the electron-atom collisions !
    I even do not mention his Nobel-awarded work on solar cycle of Sun power !
    "Bethe ansatz" and "Bethe-Salpeter equation" are beyond my pay grade.

    Feynman writes about Bethe very warmly in "Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman".

    My best to you, Mr. PiltdownMan.
  202. @Immigrant from former USSR
    On a personal note, when our daughter was in 2002-2006 at the Dept. of Chemistry and Chem. Biology of Cornell U., she attended there a public meeting with Emeritus Professor Bethe, 1967 Nobel Prize winner. Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
    I.f.f.U.

    Sorry double post. Delete.

  203. @PiltdownMan

    Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
     
    If it makes you feel any better, I, too, attended a relatively small public lecture by Hans Bethe when I was probably about your daughter's age, and I also was too shy to go and shake his hand—despite the fact Bethe had been PhD thesis advisor to a relative.

    According to my relative, who was at Cornell in the late 1950s, everybody in the Physics department back then really missed Richard Feynman, who had left some years previously and was the life and soul of the department. Bethe was considered to be rather boring and dry, for all his genius and celebrity as the star of the department.

    Hans Albrecht Bethe (German: [ˈhans ˈalbʁɛçt ˈbeːtə]; July 2, 1906 – March 6, 2005)

    Who was the last of the atom bomb physicists? Maybe

    John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008)

    Among physicists who did WWII work (but not atom bomb work), there’s

    Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923)

  204. @PiltdownMan

    Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
     
    If it makes you feel any better, I, too, attended a relatively small public lecture by Hans Bethe when I was probably about your daughter's age, and I also was too shy to go and shake his hand—despite the fact Bethe had been PhD thesis advisor to a relative.

    According to my relative, who was at Cornell in the late 1950s, everybody in the Physics department back then really missed Richard Feynman, who had left some years previously and was the life and soul of the department. Bethe was considered to be rather boring and dry, for all his genius and celebrity as the star of the department.

    Hans Albrecht Bethe (German: [ˈhans ˈalbʁɛçt ˈbeːtə]; July 2, 1906 – March 6, 2005)

    Who was the last of the atom bomb physicists? Maybe

    John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008)

    Among physicists who did WWII work (but not atom bomb work), there’s still alive:

    Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923)

  205. Hi comment 125 leads to a phishing warning I must have typed in a fake email that was already owned by a phishing site. Sorry!

  206. @PiltdownMan

    Sure, she is (and was then) shy, and did not try to talk to him. But it makes me feel humbled that I am a contemporary of Hans Bethe.
     
    If it makes you feel any better, I, too, attended a relatively small public lecture by Hans Bethe when I was probably about your daughter's age, and I also was too shy to go and shake his hand—despite the fact Bethe had been PhD thesis advisor to a relative.

    According to my relative, who was at Cornell in the late 1950s, everybody in the Physics department back then really missed Richard Feynman, who had left some years previously and was the life and soul of the department. Bethe was considered to be rather boring and dry, for all his genius and celebrity as the star of the department.

    Thank you, PiltdownMan, indeed,
    for your warm words.

    I can accept Bethe being whatever you or your relative say.
    But he has essentially solved the problem of Lamb-shift
    before Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga.
    It was done in non-relativistic approximation, with rough cut-off at energy about m_e*c^2;
    that was sufficient, since divergence was only logarithmic:
    ln(m_e*c^2/Ry) = 2*ln(137)=9.84 is a big number in comparison with 1.
    And Bethe’s theory of energy transfer under the electron-atom collisions !
    I even do not mention his Nobel-awarded work on solar cycle of Sun power !
    “Bethe ansatz” and “Bethe-Salpeter equation” are beyond my pay grade.

    Feynman writes about Bethe very warmly in “Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman”.

    My best to you, Mr. PiltdownMan.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    You are welcome, Mr. Immigrant from former USSR.

    I wasn't suggesting that Bethe was a lesser physicist; indeed he was a titan during the golden age of physics and Feynman's senior, though Feynman was an equally great physicist in his own accomplishments. The comments I passed on were about Feynman being more of fun party guy, though Hans Bethe came across as a remarkably nice person.

    Your observations too are above my pay grade, since my education was in mathematics and not physics, which I have only read about casually. So, for instance, I've never fully understood what the difference in between Bethe in discovering the solar cycle and Gamow and Houtermans work exactly was.

    My kind regards to you and your daughter.

  207. @TheJester
    Disagree. I grew up in small towns in the Midwest in which boys as early as the 6st grade had a .22 rifle or 410 shotgun. Yes, you heard me right. It was part of the culture ... part of being a boy and growing up. One 6th grade friend of mine pulled his 410 shotgun out of his closet, showed it to me, and lectured me on gun safety. A few years later, another friend invited me to his rural home for target practice with his .22. I was not part of this tradition, but then I was an outlier.

    NEVER, NEVER from kindergarten through high school was there a incident or accident with guns and youth in these small towns. But, this was back in the days when children had parents who raised them. This was back in the days when people had sex-based roles in society. You taught your sons how to use a gun, taught them how to drive, taught them how to treat women, and pressed them to do something useful with their lives. Mothers were also actively teaching their daughters how to become effective wives and mothers. (BTW: They also taught civics in school.) The common theme was teaching youth to accept responsibility and be responsible.

    Something changed in our culture ... and it is not the presence or absence of guns.

    Same experience for me, born at the tail end of the 50s and, as I said in a previous post, was 12-year old running around in the woods with a .22 all of 15 miles south of Boston.

    I know it sounds bizarre to the youngsters, but that’s really the way it was.

  208. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you, PiltdownMan, indeed,
    for your warm words.

    I can accept Bethe being whatever you or your relative say.
    But he has essentially solved the problem of Lamb-shift
    before Feynman, Schwinger, Tomonaga.
    It was done in non-relativistic approximation, with rough cut-off at energy about m_e*c^2;
    that was sufficient, since divergence was only logarithmic:
    ln(m_e*c^2/Ry) = 2*ln(137)=9.84 is a big number in comparison with 1.
    And Bethe's theory of energy transfer under the electron-atom collisions !
    I even do not mention his Nobel-awarded work on solar cycle of Sun power !
    "Bethe ansatz" and "Bethe-Salpeter equation" are beyond my pay grade.

    Feynman writes about Bethe very warmly in "Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman".

    My best to you, Mr. PiltdownMan.

    You are welcome, Mr. Immigrant from former USSR.

    I wasn’t suggesting that Bethe was a lesser physicist; indeed he was a titan during the golden age of physics and Feynman’s senior, though Feynman was an equally great physicist in his own accomplishments. The comments I passed on were about Feynman being more of fun party guy, though Hans Bethe came across as a remarkably nice person.

    Your observations too are above my pay grade, since my education was in mathematics and not physics, which I have only read about casually. So, for instance, I’ve never fully understood what the difference in between Bethe in discovering the solar cycle and Gamow and Houtermans work exactly was.

    My kind regards to you and your daughter.

  209. @Anonymous
    Shouldn't you simplify 2sin(a)cos(a) as sin(2a)?

    Derivation of the expression for distance naturally leads to 2*sin(alpha)*cos(alpha).
    Here it is.
    Time to fly to the upper point of trajectory may be found from
    v_z(t_top)=v * sin(alpha) – g * t_top = 0, so that t_top = v * sin(alpha)/g.
    Total flight time T = 2*t_top.
    Distance D = v_x * T = v * cos(alpha) * T = 2 * sin(alpha) * cos(alpha) * v^2 / g.
    My regards to you, Mr. Franz Czerny Alkan.

  210. @Flip
    She has a daughter from her ex-boyfriend, but they never married.

    Sheen? Thought they were married. So it was common law marriage then… Whatever, it’s pretty much the same thing.

  211. @Jonathan Revusky
    I remember you. I remember I asked you what the strongest evidence available was for the official 9/11 story, you know, Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda etcetera. You tried to avoid answering but then made some lame attempt or other.

    Remind me: what was the evidence that you provided finally for the official 9/11 story?

    No, I did answer you. You ignored it and, probably, didn’t understand my reply because you are a nitwit.

    Still won’t answer us what you think about the Moon landing, eh? Why is that? Afraid of what people will think of you? Think it will damage your credibility? Don’t worry. It won’t. You have none.

  212. @Jonathan Revusky
    I posed a question. Do you have an answer?

    What is the nature of ISIS "claiming responsibility"? They have an official Twitter account? A website? What is it?

    “I posed a question. Do you have an answer?”

    Actually arguing with your kind is a waste of time. Might as well try to reason with a squirrel.

  213. @Anonymous
    Apparently, 'odium' only attaches to the passive male gay partner, whilst inna curious form of inverted snobbery, if you will, the active partner has the cachet of forceful masculinity.

    The same cultural norm, incidentally, is found in the US penal (ahem) system, in which the predominately afro-American practising sodomitic population customarily accords the respectful masculine appellations of 'riders' or 'jockers' to the active bugger whilst the 'receiver' is generally known by the contemptuous terms of 'bitch' or 'punk'.

    That’s the Hellenistic system of pederasty, too, no?

  214. Your article got me thinking again about the achievement gap. I wonder how much the achievement gap is actually understated. What we usually hear are things like,”black 1oth graders score similar on reading tests to white 6th graders”, or “hispanic seniors score similar on reading tests to white sophomores”, etc. But actually, comparing grade to grade may not be an accurate measure, as minorities, particularly blacks, are often ‘held back’ more often than whites. I remember growing up, it was very common for blacks in my grade to be 1-2 yrs older than me, but uncommon for whites. As adults, a year or two may not make much difference, but for kids, its pretty important. That average black 1oth grader may already be 17, while that white 6th grader may be 11.

    This probably doesn’t apply to the specific school you mentioned here, since it is so far off the bell curve, but it likely applies to other discussions of achievement disparities.

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