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A pro-free speech march in Berkeley today was attacked by masked anti-free speech thugs. Some of the hard men among the marchers struck back, with some wearing masks themselves to duke it out with the anti-fa vigilantes. Not surprisingly, the rightists appeared to get the best of the ensuing donnybrook with the leftists.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions should come down hard on the mayor of Berkeley and the governor of California for not ordering law enforcement to protect the rights of peaceful protesters from assault. A pattern of official tolerance of illegal violence against citizens engaging in their right of assembly has emerged in Northern California going back to the assault on the Trump rally in San Jose last year, with very few arrests of members of semi-organized mobs of masked blackshirts.

Many states have laws against using a mask to get away with intimidation and/or breaking the law. The Justice Department should demand that all relevant laws be enforced to protect freedom of expression from violence.

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  1. Plenty of talk about what Sessions and the Justice Department should do, but there’s no way in h*** they’re ever going to do it. These laws may be on the books, but there’s simply no way to ever get them enforced in the manner called for here.

    • Replies: @Jack ryan
    @Kevin C.

    Jeff Sessions is good very solid

    But Trump s Secretary of education ....

    A girl

    , @Erik L
    @Kevin C.

    Really? Seems to me this is the kind of law that is pretty easy to enforce. The violators are obvious, tend to be on camera and surrounded by cops as they are doing it. If the local cops refuse to enforce it there is precedent for the federal executive branch stepping in to protect civil rights.

    The only real difficulty I see is lack of mainstream media support but that could actually be kind of funny

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Escher

    , @MarkinLA
    @Kevin C.

    http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2012/05/antifa-terrorists-launch-unprovoked.html

    In the aftermath of this, some of these punks actually were convicted and set to prison.

  2. It’s not the KKK, it’s the FeyFeyFey! Or is it the FayFayFay?

  3. On the plus side, Richard Spencer has finally been avenged.

    Good Night Left Side!

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

  4. OT

    Pepsi’s social justice protest commercial actually polled well, especially with the ascendant PoC it depicted:

    Masked antifa at Berkeley taking a moment to enjoy some delicious globojuice:

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    Funny. After a hard day's revolticizing against capitalism, they refresh themselves with some corporate corn-sugar-water, courtesy of PepsiCo and ADM.

  5. From what i have heard, Antifa got their ass beaten today and they know it. they were driven out of the park, and through the streets.

  6. I have no idea why but this is the type of thing that is not on Trump’s or Sessions’ radar. They have left Trump’s supporters to fend for themselves. Antifa should be declared a terrorist group and the National Guard sent in to protect people from Antifa if states and cities don’t get on top of it.

    On the other hand, maybe if we get a sad pic of a beaten older person to Ivanka it may become an issue.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @TheBoom


    On the other hand, maybe if we get a sad pic of a beaten older person to Ivanka it may become an issue.
     
    Ivanka is a liberal. Sad pictures of beaten white people won't upset her. She's more likely to cry at sad pictures of antifa thugs getting beaten.
  7. Dunno if this is sarcasm or naivete

    Of course the organs of state security allow the left to get away with anything up to and sometimes including murder while right of center types must apologize for their mere existence

    anything else would be raciss, homophobic or sexist or some combination thereof

    • Agree: MBlanc46, Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @jesse helms think-alike

    The action of the Berkeley Police- disarming those opposed to the regime and then vanishing, gives the lie to those morons who claim that the pigs are on the side of the Right.

    The Filth are on their own side and that means doing what their paymasters say, and if that involves victimizing those they allegedly agree with, that's just life.

  8. The Right have been very, very patient over the last year. Trump supporters have met the Left’s violence, and calls for violence, with good humour and the minimal amount of self-defence almost every time.

    The Establishment loves violence. Look how they celebrate antifa and BLM violence in the West and Trump’s sudden embrace of bombing overseas. They’re toxic people.

    • Agree: Old fogey
  9. Who decides whom to prosecute for a political streetfight? Plenty of the fighters are identifiable on video.

  10. Antifa activists – a serious threat, or useful idiots?

    I would say they’re a localised threat. They certainly help to reinforce PC on college campuses, but they also drive moderate voters to the right. They also lack the numbers to have much influence at the national level.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @unpc downunder

    Every night, Donald Trump *prays* for more masked thugs to riot, asssault, and burn things protesting him and people associated with him. If he could get away with it, he'd *pay* them to do it, because there is nothing on Earth that is more likely to give him two terms in the White House.

  11. Nathan Damigo was an organizer of the right-wing counter-demonstration. His group among others defeated the antifa so thoroughly that they took all their banners, a time-honored tradition of the victors in combat…

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/853321034249814016

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Hail

    "Well that escalated quickly."

    Replies: @Hail

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Hail

    Ha! That's great.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Hail

    These protests, counter protests and street fights need background music and I offer the overture from the "West Side Story.."

  12. The Justice Department should demand that all relevant laws be enforced to protect freedom of expression from violence.

    Yeah, right. When pigs fly.

    “Civil rights” are for minorities only. “Civil rights” laws do not apply to conservatives or to white men. They’ll apply anti-Klan laws to minorities and leftists the same way they charge blacks with “hate crimes” for perpetrating heinous crimes against whites — almost never.

    People are going to need to wake up. Whites have no civil rights or constitutional rights any more. Marcuse’s concept of “repressive tolerance” has been completely internalized by the legal establishment and by Federal law enforcement. The “equal protection” clause of the 14th Amendment de facto means that minorities and leftists get preferential treatment and white conservatives get shafted.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Rod1963
    @Dr. X

    "when pigs fly" is quite apt.

    Civil Rights are only for minorities, not conservatives or straight white men. Look at all the major civil rights groups - NAACP, ADL, ACLU. All of them are virulently anti-Christian and anti-white.

    Also at play is that the cities where the anti-fa are strong are liberal run cities with a liberal mayor who often appoints a liberal chief of police to do his bidding and you can be damn sure, he'll let anti-fa do it's thing as long they beat up conservative whites.


    People are going to need to wake up. Whites have no civil rights or constitutional rights any more. Marcuse’s concept of “repressive tolerance” has been completely internalized by the legal establishment and by Federal law enforcement
     
    Quite true. Whites are only tolerated if they keep their mouths shut and do as they are told like good little wage slaves. The first amendment doesn't exist for us unless we only mouth approved platitudes. The 2nd is just hanging on by a thread. God help them if the organize a protest against Islam or if they try and form ethnic advocacy groups like LaRaza for whites or whites only fraternal orders, etc. Anything that smacks of self-organizing will bring the weight of the state and federal government down on them.
  13. Hail says: • Website

    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here. The nationalist fighters win decisively, at least at that area at that time. It would seem the antifa reputation for person physical cowardice is again confirmed.

    A punch thrown by Damigo (about :30 here) has become a Twitter meme.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Hail

    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here.

    There are more "photographers" than protesters and counter-protesters.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @BB753
    @Hail

    Good to see the Right has also boots on the ground. One day, these skirmishes might turn out ugly though. And we know whose side the police is on.

  14. Expect journalists to rediscover the phrase “political violence” now that nationalists are punching back.

  15. Hail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin
    On the plus side, Richard Spencer has finally been avenged.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9fgqXbXUAAOWpF.jpg

    Good Night Left Side!

    Replies: @Hail

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496


    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Hail

    Equality to play pretend soldier and get the bennies but inequality to duck actual physical violence.

    Form all women special forces and send them into Syria to show ISIS how tough women can be.

    Replies: @jtgw

    , @Hail
    @Hail

    (Wild formatting error, seemingly at random. I just posted Twitter URLs as usual. What's going on?)

    , @Anonymous
    @Hail

    https://youtu.be/NLr19u_KQK4?t=43

    , @BenKenobi
    @Hail

    Oh and even more fun!

    Check out the thread in the twitter post (Hail. #15) -- Turns out this young woman is also a nude "hairy" model, going by the nomme-du-vag Venus Gonsales. There's also a nice collage of pics of her before and after her antifa transformation.

    Top Kek all around!

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    , @BB753
    @Hail

    If you don't act like a lady, don't expect to be treated like one.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Hail

    At about one minute into the four minute video above, you can see her crying. I guess she felt overwhelmed.

    Replies: @Hail, @Boomstick

  16. The alt-right organizing for self-defense and then beating the shit out of them when attacked works too.

  17. @Dr. X

    The Justice Department should demand that all relevant laws be enforced to protect freedom of expression from violence.
     
    Yeah, right. When pigs fly.

    "Civil rights" are for minorities only. "Civil rights" laws do not apply to conservatives or to white men. They'll apply anti-Klan laws to minorities and leftists the same way they charge blacks with "hate crimes" for perpetrating heinous crimes against whites -- almost never.

    People are going to need to wake up. Whites have no civil rights or constitutional rights any more. Marcuse's concept of "repressive tolerance" has been completely internalized by the legal establishment and by Federal law enforcement. The "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment de facto means that minorities and leftists get preferential treatment and white conservatives get shafted.

    Replies: @Rod1963

    “when pigs fly” is quite apt.

    Civil Rights are only for minorities, not conservatives or straight white men. Look at all the major civil rights groups – NAACP, ADL, ACLU. All of them are virulently anti-Christian and anti-white.

    Also at play is that the cities where the anti-fa are strong are liberal run cities with a liberal mayor who often appoints a liberal chief of police to do his bidding and you can be damn sure, he’ll let anti-fa do it’s thing as long they beat up conservative whites.

    People are going to need to wake up. Whites have no civil rights or constitutional rights any more. Marcuse’s concept of “repressive tolerance” has been completely internalized by the legal establishment and by Federal law enforcement

    Quite true. Whites are only tolerated if they keep their mouths shut and do as they are told like good little wage slaves. The first amendment doesn’t exist for us unless we only mouth approved platitudes. The 2nd is just hanging on by a thread. God help them if the organize a protest against Islam or if they try and form ethnic advocacy groups like LaRaza for whites or whites only fraternal orders, etc. Anything that smacks of self-organizing will bring the weight of the state and federal government down on them.

  18. Hey, if she wants to get into the rough and tumble with men maybe expect some equality to come back at you.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Spyder

    https://twitter.com/PotluckPolitico/status/853442921114324992

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @Spyder

    (feminist) women want to be men, until they don't

  19. The MAGA hat team looks like an odd mix of people. Diversity in action.

    https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/853390437255495680

  20. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

    Equality to play pretend soldier and get the bennies but inequality to duck actual physical violence.

    Form all women special forces and send them into Syria to show ISIS how tough women can be.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Yak-15

    Progressive ideology in a nutshell. All the privileges and freedoms of adulthood with none of the responsibilities.

  21. @Spyder
    Hey, if she wants to get into the rough and tumble with men maybe expect some equality to come back at you.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Buck Turgidson

  22. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

    (Wild formatting error, seemingly at random. I just posted Twitter URLs as usual. What’s going on?)

  23. @Hail
    Nathan Damigo was an organizer of the right-wing counter-demonstration. His group among others defeated the antifa so thoroughly that they took all their banners, a time-honored tradition of the victors in combat...

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/853321034249814016

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @TomSchmidt, @Buffalo Joe

    “Well that escalated quickly.”

    • Replies: @Hail
    @BenKenobi

    We all know that they will have started it. They always do. (The prerogative of all are extralegal enforcers of a ruling system). I think media coverage has been "pro-Trump groups and anti-Trump groups clash" which, at least, doesn't blame the 'pro-Trump groups'...

  24. You people breathlessly insisting whites are doomed should probably realise that because YOU think the height of allowable resistance is a pithy blog post doesn’t mean others think the same way.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Jack Hanson

    It's not about what resistance is "allowable", it's that whatever level of force we "resist" with, they can bring much more. Do the names "Waco, TX" and "Branch Davidian" mean anything to you? Do you know what happened to the "Bonus Army" in 1932?

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  25. @Kevin C.
    Plenty of talk about what Sessions and the Justice Department should do, but there's no way in h*** they're ever going to do it. These laws may be on the books, but there's simply no way to ever get them enforced in the manner called for here.

    Replies: @Jack ryan, @Erik L, @MarkinLA

    Jeff Sessions is good very solid

    But Trump s Secretary of education ….

    A girl

  26. OT but not really. Where’s all the hard feelings coming from? Weird:

    Maine Democrats Filmed Laughing Over Rise In White Male Suicides
    “Maybe I shouldn’t say that out in public.”
    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56598

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Cagey Beast

    Cracks in the thin veneer of civilization. So hard to build a civilized world, so easy to forget that, or never learn it, and then wonder why maintenance is hard, costly and necessary.

  27. Antifa… athletics for dorks who can’t do sports?

    So, they wear masks and act tough?

  28. @BenKenobi
    @Hail

    "Well that escalated quickly."

    Replies: @Hail

    We all know that they will have started it. They always do. (The prerogative of all are extralegal enforcers of a ruling system). I think media coverage has been “pro-Trump groups and anti-Trump groups clash” which, at least, doesn’t blame the ‘pro-Trump groups’…

  29. @unpc downunder
    Antifa activists - a serious threat, or useful idiots?

    I would say they're a localised threat. They certainly help to reinforce PC on college campuses, but they also drive moderate voters to the right. They also lack the numbers to have much influence at the national level.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Every night, Donald Trump *prays* for more masked thugs to riot, asssault, and burn things protesting him and people associated with him. If he could get away with it, he’d *pay* them to do it, because there is nothing on Earth that is more likely to give him two terms in the White House.

  30. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

  31. John Derbyshire has some interesting observations, quoting George Orwell, about differing perceptions of law and law enforcement. Clearly the California authorities are on the side of enforcing laws that enable their side to win. Steve has the Anglo-Celtic idea that law ought to apply to everyone–that just isn’t universal.

    Glad to see our side fighting back and winning. But I predict arrests and prosecutions of our side–that’s not the result the Berkely and California authorities want.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Diversity Heretic


    Steve has the Anglo-Celtic idea that law ought to apply to everyone–that just isn’t universal.
     
    Jim Crow sheriffs were plenty Anglo-Celtic. They just hated outside agitators more than they loved the law. Same shit current year in Berkeley.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

  32. Laws Against Masked Vigilantes

    The only thing I’ll be covering up is my licensed .45 ACP. Don’t worry, I avoid trouble, and won’t be going to any Trump rallies until he stops bombing other countries.

    HAPPY EASTER!

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @J1234

    Your comment makes me wonder just how long it will be in the street fighting scene before someone notices that guns are really useful items--they deliver a blow more powerful than that of any hand-held weapon, and can do so repeatedly and from a distance.

    Note, moderator--I am not advocating armed combat, but just predicting that it's a likely escalation.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri

  33. @Diversity Heretic
    John Derbyshire has some interesting observations, quoting George Orwell, about differing perceptions of law and law enforcement. Clearly the California authorities are on the side of enforcing laws that enable their side to win. Steve has the Anglo-Celtic idea that law ought to apply to everyone--that just isn't universal.

    Glad to see our side fighting back and winning. But I predict arrests and prosecutions of our side--that's not the result the Berkely and California authorities want.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Steve has the Anglo-Celtic idea that law ought to apply to everyone–that just isn’t universal.

    Jim Crow sheriffs were plenty Anglo-Celtic. They just hated outside agitators more than they loved the law. Same shit current year in Berkeley.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Desiderius

    You make an excellent point--thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

  34. It only just occurred to me that the expression “antifa” must be derived from–or I guess be wordplay on–a less-used Spanish word for mask. The normal word is máscara, but for the KKK-style hood/mask deployed in e.g. Seville Holy Week penitent marches, the word is antifaz.

    I must be getting slow, literally: otherwise I can’t see how this insight eluded me for so long.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    @slumber_j

    Actually, the hoods worn during Holy Week are known as capirotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote

    , @Almost Missouri
    @slumber_j

    I think "antifa" is short for "anti-fascist". Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves. I think the term originated in continental Europe in the late 20th century as a self-applied moniker for youth mobs who attacked fringe minorities they didn't like with the tacit endorsement of the leftist governments.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Stealth
    @slumber_j

    Antifascist.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @slumber_j

    It's a German thing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism#Germany:_Cold_War_.22anti-fascism.22_and_after
    with roots going back to this lot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
    and the autonomes (Italy).
    (And good ole Operation Gladio, for those partial to the Alcan beret.
    https://libcom.org/library/advisory-concerning-spectacular-terrorism)

  35. Everything is getting so childish.

    People need to grow up.

  36. @Desiderius
    @Diversity Heretic


    Steve has the Anglo-Celtic idea that law ought to apply to everyone–that just isn’t universal.
     
    Jim Crow sheriffs were plenty Anglo-Celtic. They just hated outside agitators more than they loved the law. Same shit current year in Berkeley.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    You make an excellent point–thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Diversity Heretic

    Heh.

    Not my point, but perhaps you knew that.

    You do you.

    , @Anonymous
    @Diversity Heretic


    You make an excellent point–thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.
     
    This is a pretty good summation of reality.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Corvinus
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline."

    What required discipline were for southrons to have followed through with "separate but equal" as explained by the Justices by the Plessy case. They couldn't even get that right! Thankfully, white southerners got tired of being labeled anti-white by southrons merely for exercising their liberty to freely associate with black people.

    Now, on the issue that Mr. Sailer brings forward, indeed, law enforcement should employ the current laws to arrest anyone who wears a mask to a demonstration. That even includes your relatives, Diversity Heretic.

  37. Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @Spyder

    Mmm, not really. Thanks for asking though. Yours, JC.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @Spyder


    Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

     

    Well, you are here.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  38. @J1234

    Laws Against Masked Vigilantes
     
    The only thing I'll be covering up is my licensed .45 ACP. Don't worry, I avoid trouble, and won't be going to any Trump rallies until he stops bombing other countries.

    HAPPY EASTER!

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Your comment makes me wonder just how long it will be in the street fighting scene before someone notices that guns are really useful items–they deliver a blow more powerful than that of any hand-held weapon, and can do so repeatedly and from a distance.

    Note, moderator–I am not advocating armed combat, but just predicting that it’s a likely escalation.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    @Diversity Heretic

    Do note that we never see any antifa activity in states like Texas, which have concealed carry laws.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yeah, I wondered the same thing. Now that the Antifa sissies see that they lose decisively as soon as the patriots punch back, how long before they escalate to knives and bats? Or one of them finds a gun somewhere? The Antifa don't fear escalation because they know they can count on their government patrons not to prosecute them while prosecuting their intended victims to the max.

    I still don't think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about...

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kevin C.

  39. @Hail
    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here. The nationalist fighters win decisively, at least at that area at that time. It would seem the antifa reputation for person physical cowardice is again confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/853357314127953924

    A punch thrown by Damigo (about :30 here) has become a Twitter meme.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @BB753

    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here.

    There are more “photographers” than protesters and counter-protesters.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @E. Rekshun

    Most of these events are like that. Everyone standing around waiting for someone else to do something so they can film it.

  40. These states are in rebellion, especially the government. Citizens are being held hostage by these unlawful policies.

  41. @slumber_j
    It only just occurred to me that the expression "antifa" must be derived from--or I guess be wordplay on--a less-used Spanish word for mask. The normal word is máscara, but for the KKK-style hood/mask deployed in e.g. Seville Holy Week penitent marches, the word is antifaz.

    I must be getting slow, literally: otherwise I can't see how this insight eluded me for so long.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri, @Stealth, @Expletive Deleted

    Actually, the hoods worn during Holy Week are known as capirotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote

  42. @Diversity Heretic
    @J1234

    Your comment makes me wonder just how long it will be in the street fighting scene before someone notices that guns are really useful items--they deliver a blow more powerful than that of any hand-held weapon, and can do so repeatedly and from a distance.

    Note, moderator--I am not advocating armed combat, but just predicting that it's a likely escalation.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri

    Do note that we never see any antifa activity in states like Texas, which have concealed carry laws.

  43. @Diversity Heretic
    @J1234

    Your comment makes me wonder just how long it will be in the street fighting scene before someone notices that guns are really useful items--they deliver a blow more powerful than that of any hand-held weapon, and can do so repeatedly and from a distance.

    Note, moderator--I am not advocating armed combat, but just predicting that it's a likely escalation.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, I wondered the same thing. Now that the Antifa sissies see that they lose decisively as soon as the patriots punch back, how long before they escalate to knives and bats? Or one of them finds a gun somewhere? The Antifa don’t fear escalation because they know they can count on their government patrons not to prosecute them while prosecuting their intended victims to the max.

    I still don’t think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about…

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Almost Missouri

    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence. In the Bay Area the anarchists and the Revolutionary Communist Party have shared tactics right now, though they also have differing politics. One of their common goals is corrupting the idea of a lawful and well-policed state, and street violence is a great way to achieve that. They have a membership of easily stirred up idiots and telling them Trump supporters are fascists is a good way to get a street fight going, and that can be used to escalate to higher levels of violence. It's pretty obvious that the local politicians thought the black bloc was going to beat up the Trumpists yesterday, as they did at the Milo event, so they told the police to not get involved. Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they'll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.

    On the right side of the spectrum being attacked by leftists for stating opinions held by half the nation is great theater. It's constitutionally protected speech, too.

    There was an armed march by antifas at the Arizona state capitol a couple weeks ago:

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/03/26/far-left-activists-hold-armed-march-in-phoenix/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58Voqb7jik

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    , @Kevin C.
    @Almost Missouri


    I still don’t think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about…
     
    In my experience, I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they'll win it handily (and based on what I see, they have very good reasons for thinking that).

    Replies: @J1234

  44. I agree with the author but I want to add that the escalation here should worry a lot of people. It wasn’t just the fisticuffs, it was the presence of “bombs” in the form of M80s going off. This is a significant “level up” from the usual sticks and mace. I am certain that unless the law is harshly enforced, there will be gunfire.

    People familiar with American history knows the whole Crispus Attucks incident that precipitated the American revolution. I think we are inching towards such an event. People might scoff at the whole civil war comparisons but I think it’s far more likely than people think.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @sondjata

    "People familiar with American history knows the whole Crispus Attucks incident that precipitated the American revolution."

    I don't believe the Boston massacre precipitated the American revolution, or had much to do with it at all. It happened five years before Lexington-Concord. I think that it was probably just retconned into the narrative in subsequent years.

  45. @slumber_j
    It only just occurred to me that the expression "antifa" must be derived from--or I guess be wordplay on--a less-used Spanish word for mask. The normal word is máscara, but for the KKK-style hood/mask deployed in e.g. Seville Holy Week penitent marches, the word is antifaz.

    I must be getting slow, literally: otherwise I can't see how this insight eluded me for so long.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri, @Stealth, @Expletive Deleted

    I think “antifa” is short for “anti-fascist”. Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves. I think the term originated in continental Europe in the late 20th century as a self-applied moniker for youth mobs who attacked fringe minorities they didn’t like with the tacit endorsement of the leftist governments.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    "I think “antifa” is short for “anti-fascist”. Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves.'

    No, they basically aren't. Someday they might meet real fascists, and they'll learn what that word really means.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

  46. @Hail
    Nathan Damigo was an organizer of the right-wing counter-demonstration. His group among others defeated the antifa so thoroughly that they took all their banners, a time-honored tradition of the victors in combat...

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/853321034249814016

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @TomSchmidt, @Buffalo Joe

    Ha! That’s great.

  47. @Diversity Heretic
    @Desiderius

    You make an excellent point--thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Heh.

    Not my point, but perhaps you knew that.

    You do you.

  48. How many of the combatants are government infiltrators? A lot, probably, especially when one looks at the past history of government involvement in these things. Particularly the ones who initiate an action that touches off some action are likely candidates.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @anonymous

    On the Black Bloc side? Probably not a lot. If the government had infiltrated them they could have rolled up the Black Bloc in the wake of the Milo event or a couple Trump rallies. The Black Bloc are frequent rioters in the Bay Area and the government has never done anything to take them down as a group.

  49. @E. Rekshun
    @Hail

    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here.

    There are more "photographers" than protesters and counter-protesters.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Most of these events are like that. Everyone standing around waiting for someone else to do something so they can film it.

  50. @Kevin C.
    Plenty of talk about what Sessions and the Justice Department should do, but there's no way in h*** they're ever going to do it. These laws may be on the books, but there's simply no way to ever get them enforced in the manner called for here.

    Replies: @Jack ryan, @Erik L, @MarkinLA

    Really? Seems to me this is the kind of law that is pretty easy to enforce. The violators are obvious, tend to be on camera and surrounded by cops as they are doing it. If the local cops refuse to enforce it there is precedent for the federal executive branch stepping in to protect civil rights.

    The only real difficulty I see is lack of mainstream media support but that could actually be kind of funny

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Erik L

    It's not about being "easy" or "hard" to enforce, it's about the willingness to enforce it. There may be "precedent" for the federal executive branch to intervene, but they're never going to actually do it. Because the Executive Branch — that is to say, the parts that actually rule and actually matter, the permanent people who go on as they always do no matter who the temporary (figure-head) occupant of the White House is — is on the side of the people against whom you're seeking enforcement. They will never enforce these laws in this direction because they will never want to.

    , @Escher
    @Erik L

    Unsurprisingly, this news article on the BBC does not indicate who started the violence.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39612785

  51. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Warriors_(film)#Critical_reception

    Weird:

    “President Ronald Reagan was a fan of the film, even calling the film’s lead actor, Michael Beck, to tell him he had screened it at Camp David and enjoyed it.”

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    “President Ronald Reagan was a fan of the film, even calling the film’s lead actor, Michael Beck, to tell him he had screened it at Camp David and enjoyed it.”

    Well, now I want to know what he thought about Streets Of Fire.

  52. Street-fighting men having it out at protests is all part of the Weimarization of America. It’s here to stay. One may as well get used to it.

    • Replies: @res
    @Mr. Anon

    After all the comments over the past year about Hitler and 1930's Germany this incident is the first which really makes me wonder if we are on that road. I think it's worth remembering that the "good people" in those days were the ones keeping their heads down while the Nazis and Communists fought it out. And nobody came out of that history looking good.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @The True and Original David
    @Mr. Anon

    The final solution of this problem will come only when most of the gangs on one side unite and beat to a pulp the gangs on the other side and then win some national elections.

    Can MAGA happen within the System? It may be the case that a return to the politics of 1776 - i.e. don't debate, just get some tar and feathers - will become possible. The Bourgeoisie oppose that because it may mean broken shop windows.

  53. @Almost Missouri
    @slumber_j

    I think "antifa" is short for "anti-fascist". Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves. I think the term originated in continental Europe in the late 20th century as a self-applied moniker for youth mobs who attacked fringe minorities they didn't like with the tacit endorsement of the leftist governments.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “I think “antifa” is short for “anti-fascist”. Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves.’

    No, they basically aren’t. Someday they might meet real fascists, and they’ll learn what that word really means.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Anon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJRUhXaavs

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon

    Granted that the antifa are not as skilled or disciplined as more famous fascists, such as the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento or Hitler's SA, but as far as the basic ingredients of fascism:

    • reject free and open debate, CHECK

    • use of violence to intimidate political opponents, CHECK

    • submerge individual identities in group culture, however counter-reality, CHECK

    • wear uniform clothing, if not quite uniforms, CHECK

    they're all there.

  54. @sondjata
    I agree with the author but I want to add that the escalation here should worry a lot of people. It wasn't just the fisticuffs, it was the presence of "bombs" in the form of M80s going off. This is a significant "level up" from the usual sticks and mace. I am certain that unless the law is harshly enforced, there will be gunfire.

    People familiar with American history knows the whole Crispus Attucks incident that precipitated the American revolution. I think we are inching towards such an event. People might scoff at the whole civil war comparisons but I think it's far more likely than people think.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “People familiar with American history knows the whole Crispus Attucks incident that precipitated the American revolution.”

    I don’t believe the Boston massacre precipitated the American revolution, or had much to do with it at all. It happened five years before Lexington-Concord. I think that it was probably just retconned into the narrative in subsequent years.

  55. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

    Oh and even more fun!

    Check out the thread in the twitter post (Hail. #15) — Turns out this young woman is also a nude “hairy” model, going by the nomme-du-vag Venus Gonsales. There’s also a nice collage of pics of her before and after her antifa transformation.

    Top Kek all around!

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @BenKenobi

    Pardon me, gentlemen, that was Venus Rosales.

  56. @Anonymous
    OT

    Pepsi's social justice protest commercial actually polled well, especially with the ascendant PoC it depicted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Ov6fhWAAEevgb.jpg

    Masked antifa at Berkeley taking a moment to enjoy some delicious globojuice: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9e-01tVoAEPI7z.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Funny. After a hard day’s revolticizing against capitalism, they refresh themselves with some corporate corn-sugar-water, courtesy of PepsiCo and ADM.

  57. @Almost Missouri
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yeah, I wondered the same thing. Now that the Antifa sissies see that they lose decisively as soon as the patriots punch back, how long before they escalate to knives and bats? Or one of them finds a gun somewhere? The Antifa don't fear escalation because they know they can count on their government patrons not to prosecute them while prosecuting their intended victims to the max.

    I still don't think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about...

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kevin C.

    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence. In the Bay Area the anarchists and the Revolutionary Communist Party have shared tactics right now, though they also have differing politics. One of their common goals is corrupting the idea of a lawful and well-policed state, and street violence is a great way to achieve that. They have a membership of easily stirred up idiots and telling them Trump supporters are fascists is a good way to get a street fight going, and that can be used to escalate to higher levels of violence. It’s pretty obvious that the local politicians thought the black bloc was going to beat up the Trumpists yesterday, as they did at the Milo event, so they told the police to not get involved. Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they’ll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.

    On the right side of the spectrum being attacked by leftists for stating opinions held by half the nation is great theater. It’s constitutionally protected speech, too.

    There was an armed march by antifas at the Arizona state capitol a couple weeks ago:

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/03/26/far-left-activists-hold-armed-march-in-phoenix/

    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    @Boomstick


    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence.
     
    Because they expect to win it, thanks to having the Federal juggernaut and all it's loyal minions on their side.

    Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they’ll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.
     
    No "perhaps" about it.

    Replies: @Boomstick

  58. @anonymous
    How many of the combatants are government infiltrators? A lot, probably, especially when one looks at the past history of government involvement in these things. Particularly the ones who initiate an action that touches off some action are likely candidates.

    Replies: @Boomstick

    On the Black Bloc side? Probably not a lot. If the government had infiltrated them they could have rolled up the Black Bloc in the wake of the Milo event or a couple Trump rallies. The Black Bloc are frequent rioters in the Bay Area and the government has never done anything to take them down as a group.

  59. The difference is only in the color of the hoods.

  60. “On the Black Bloc side? Probably not a lot. If the government had infiltrated them they could have rolled up the Black Bloc in the wake of the Milo event or a couple Trump rallies.”

    That presumes the purpose of infiltrating political movements is to bring them to an end. I’d say that is far from certain. Perhaps the purpose is to harness them and make use of them.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Mr. Anon

    That was certainly the case under the Clinton regime where White Militias appeared out of nowhere, didn't do a damn thing but allow the Feds to preen and vanished back into the woodwork with the advent of Bush the Lesser.
    Every cell of six consisted of two local fuckwits, three Feds and the guy from the SPLC.

  61. @Cagey Beast
    OT but not really. Where's all the hard feelings coming from? Weird:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1h-8hn1T0E

    Maine Democrats Filmed Laughing Over Rise In White Male Suicides
    "Maybe I shouldn't say that out in public."
    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56598

    Replies: @Ivy

    Cracks in the thin veneer of civilization. So hard to build a civilized world, so easy to forget that, or never learn it, and then wonder why maintenance is hard, costly and necessary.

  62. The Trump people are likely half government informants and the other half will be arrested and convicted shortly with the approval if Donald Trump.

    Hopium is for dopes.

  63. @BenKenobi
    @Hail

    Oh and even more fun!

    Check out the thread in the twitter post (Hail. #15) -- Turns out this young woman is also a nude "hairy" model, going by the nomme-du-vag Venus Gonsales. There's also a nice collage of pics of her before and after her antifa transformation.

    Top Kek all around!

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Pardon me, gentlemen, that was Venus Rosales.

  64. @slumber_j
    It only just occurred to me that the expression "antifa" must be derived from--or I guess be wordplay on--a less-used Spanish word for mask. The normal word is máscara, but for the KKK-style hood/mask deployed in e.g. Seville Holy Week penitent marches, the word is antifaz.

    I must be getting slow, literally: otherwise I can't see how this insight eluded me for so long.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri, @Stealth, @Expletive Deleted

    Antifascist.

  65. @Hail
    Nathan Damigo was an organizer of the right-wing counter-demonstration. His group among others defeated the antifa so thoroughly that they took all their banners, a time-honored tradition of the victors in combat...

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/853321034249814016

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @TomSchmidt, @Buffalo Joe

    These protests, counter protests and street fights need background music and I offer the overture from the “West Side Story..”

  66. @Jack Hanson
    You people breathlessly insisting whites are doomed should probably realise that because YOU think the height of allowable resistance is a pithy blog post doesn't mean others think the same way.

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    It’s not about what resistance is “allowable”, it’s that whatever level of force we “resist” with, they can bring much more. Do the names “Waco, TX” and “Branch Davidian” mean anything to you? Do you know what happened to the “Bonus Army” in 1932?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Kevin C.

    Hmmm.... 27 comments in all your years here. Not a peep since 2013 until this month, where you've logged 20 comments thus far, and it's all doom-and-gloom, there's-nothing-we-can-do-guys-let's-just-lay-down-and-die.

    Nexus 6 detected. Recommend retirement.

  67. I guess mixed martial arts doesn’t mean boy vs girl fisticuffs. But, on the plus side, when you see the black fight videos, there is a lot of kicking and stomping going on, so a one-punch KO is tame.

  68. @Erik L
    @Kevin C.

    Really? Seems to me this is the kind of law that is pretty easy to enforce. The violators are obvious, tend to be on camera and surrounded by cops as they are doing it. If the local cops refuse to enforce it there is precedent for the federal executive branch stepping in to protect civil rights.

    The only real difficulty I see is lack of mainstream media support but that could actually be kind of funny

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Escher

    It’s not about being “easy” or “hard” to enforce, it’s about the willingness to enforce it. There may be “precedent” for the federal executive branch to intervene, but they’re never going to actually do it. Because the Executive Branch — that is to say, the parts that actually rule and actually matter, the permanent people who go on as they always do no matter who the temporary (figure-head) occupant of the White House is — is on the side of the people against whom you’re seeking enforcement. They will never enforce these laws in this direction because they will never want to.

  69. @Boomstick
    @Almost Missouri

    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence. In the Bay Area the anarchists and the Revolutionary Communist Party have shared tactics right now, though they also have differing politics. One of their common goals is corrupting the idea of a lawful and well-policed state, and street violence is a great way to achieve that. They have a membership of easily stirred up idiots and telling them Trump supporters are fascists is a good way to get a street fight going, and that can be used to escalate to higher levels of violence. It's pretty obvious that the local politicians thought the black bloc was going to beat up the Trumpists yesterday, as they did at the Milo event, so they told the police to not get involved. Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they'll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.

    On the right side of the spectrum being attacked by leftists for stating opinions held by half the nation is great theater. It's constitutionally protected speech, too.

    There was an armed march by antifas at the Arizona state capitol a couple weeks ago:

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/03/26/far-left-activists-hold-armed-march-in-phoenix/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58Voqb7jik

    Replies: @Kevin C.

    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence.

    Because they expect to win it, thanks to having the Federal juggernaut and all it’s loyal minions on their side.

    Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they’ll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.

    No “perhaps” about it.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Kevin C.

    Government support for the antifa goons varies based on location, I think. In Berkeley the local, county, and the state leadership is fine with having the police turn a blind eye towards violence directed against conservatives. Under a Clinton administration the feds would be the same. It's too early to see what Trump and Sessions will do. In Arizona it will probably be different.

    Politics winds up being a reflection of philosophy. There are a lot of philosophical and cultural fans of Weimar Germany in the US, and they're rolling down the path of making America Weimar. It's all just depressing.

  70. @Almost Missouri
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yeah, I wondered the same thing. Now that the Antifa sissies see that they lose decisively as soon as the patriots punch back, how long before they escalate to knives and bats? Or one of them finds a gun somewhere? The Antifa don't fear escalation because they know they can count on their government patrons not to prosecute them while prosecuting their intended victims to the max.

    I still don't think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about...

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kevin C.

    I still don’t think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about…

    In my experience, I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they’ll win it handily (and based on what I see, they have very good reasons for thinking that).

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Kevin C.


    I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they’ll win it handily
     
    No, they think the US military will win it handily.

    "They'll" have little to do with it on a personal level because wars come with a whole lot of unpleasant reality.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    @Desiderius

    You make an excellent point--thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    You make an excellent point–thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    This is a pretty good summation of reality.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    This is a pretty good summation of reality.

    No, it's frankly bizarre and wouldn't survive a study of comparative crime statistics.

  72. @Spyder
    Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

    Replies: @Jasper Been, @Joe Schmoe

    Mmm, not really. Thanks for asking though. Yours, JC.

  73. @Mr. Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    "I think “antifa” is short for “anti-fascist”. Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves.'

    No, they basically aren't. Someday they might meet real fascists, and they'll learn what that word really means.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

  74. @Kevin C.
    Plenty of talk about what Sessions and the Justice Department should do, but there's no way in h*** they're ever going to do it. These laws may be on the books, but there's simply no way to ever get them enforced in the manner called for here.

    Replies: @Jack ryan, @Erik L, @MarkinLA

    http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2012/05/antifa-terrorists-launch-unprovoked.html

    In the aftermath of this, some of these punks actually were convicted and set to prison.

  75. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Campus types have no taste for real violence. Anything more than a post sporting event dustup, anyway. After winning or losing the big game. Tip over a car or two and a bonfire and drunken vandalism. And although these things happen with some regularity, they are far from common.

    The MSM is already building a narrative about the fascist male hitting a girl. I know, I know.

    I don’t think either side is going to want to claim the demonstrators that are allegedly fighting for their side.

    If there were really anything worth fighting for, the only winning approach is to go MLK on it. The fact it is happening on a campus is an indication that it isn’t worth much of a fight.

    Spend a moment or two thinking about sacrificing for freedom of speech on an elite US university campus. I can’t think of a more over-privileged group. They can damn well fight for themselves. Although I’d be surprised if most of them have even seen a street fight, much less gotten into a fistfight.

    We are talking about people who think/care about trigger warnings and safe spaces. It’s not like administrators have to ‘grow a pair’. They could just frown and elicit tears.

  76. @Spyder
    Hey, if she wants to get into the rough and tumble with men maybe expect some equality to come back at you.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Buck Turgidson

    (feminist) women want to be men, until they don’t

  77. @Hail
    Best short video (4 min.) of the streetfighting is here. The nationalist fighters win decisively, at least at that area at that time. It would seem the antifa reputation for person physical cowardice is again confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/853357314127953924

    A punch thrown by Damigo (about :30 here) has become a Twitter meme.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @BB753

    Good to see the Right has also boots on the ground. One day, these skirmishes might turn out ugly though. And we know whose side the police is on.

    • Agree: donut
  78. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

    If you don’t act like a lady, don’t expect to be treated like one.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @BB753

    How many commenters imagine their Mom taking a swing at a protestor? Then ask that about other sites.

    Replies: @donut

  79. @Mr. Anon
    Street-fighting men having it out at protests is all part of the Weimarization of America. It's here to stay. One may as well get used to it.

    Replies: @res, @The True and Original David

    After all the comments over the past year about Hitler and 1930’s Germany this incident is the first which really makes me wonder if we are on that road. I think it’s worth remembering that the “good people” in those days were the ones keeping their heads down while the Nazis and Communists fought it out. And nobody came out of that history looking good.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @res

    Well, you could argue that eventually the communists won and ran part of Germany and large areas of the world for a long time. Hell, they still run China and North Korea.

    Replies: @res

  80. The street fighting is kool, but going after the 1 percenters that fund and encourage this is where the effort should be.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Dee


    going after the 1 percenters
     
    How do you propose to do that?
  81. @Spyder
    Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

    Replies: @Jasper Been, @Joe Schmoe

    Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

    Well, you are here.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Joe Schmoe

    I was told he'd be amusing.

  82. @res
    @Mr. Anon

    After all the comments over the past year about Hitler and 1930's Germany this incident is the first which really makes me wonder if we are on that road. I think it's worth remembering that the "good people" in those days were the ones keeping their heads down while the Nazis and Communists fought it out. And nobody came out of that history looking good.

    Replies: @BB753

    Well, you could argue that eventually the communists won and ran part of Germany and large areas of the world for a long time. Hell, they still run China and North Korea.

    • Replies: @res
    @BB753

    True, but to be clear, I was referring to the early 1930s (i.e. not WW2 itself) : http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/weimar-germany/the-communist-party-and-weimar-germany/

    For example, from http://socialistreview.org.uk/378/lessons-of-defeat


    During the month of June 1932 alone, Communist street fighting against Nazi brown-shirts left 99 dead and 125 gravely wounded.
     

    Replies: @BB753

  83. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0ipXUD-uU

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Warriors_(film)#Critical_reception

    Weird:

    "President Ronald Reagan was a fan of the film, even calling the film's lead actor, Michael Beck, to tell him he had screened it at Camp David and enjoyed it."

    Replies: @anon

    “President Ronald Reagan was a fan of the film, even calling the film’s lead actor, Michael Beck, to tell him he had screened it at Camp David and enjoyed it.”

    Well, now I want to know what he thought about Streets Of Fire.

  84. @Kevin C.
    @Jack Hanson

    It's not about what resistance is "allowable", it's that whatever level of force we "resist" with, they can bring much more. Do the names "Waco, TX" and "Branch Davidian" mean anything to you? Do you know what happened to the "Bonus Army" in 1932?

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Hmmm…. 27 comments in all your years here. Not a peep since 2013 until this month, where you’ve logged 20 comments thus far, and it’s all doom-and-gloom, there’s-nothing-we-can-do-guys-let’s-just-lay-down-and-die.

    Nexus 6 detected. Recommend retirement.

  85. @BB753
    @Hail

    If you don't act like a lady, don't expect to be treated like one.

    Replies: @Ivy

    How many commenters imagine their Mom taking a swing at a protestor? Then ask that about other sites.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Ivy

    Well I've seen my mother take a swing or two at one particular protestor .

  86. @Kevin C.
    @Boomstick


    The antifa leadership is probably fine with armed violence.
     
    Because they expect to win it, thanks to having the Federal juggernaut and all it's loyal minions on their side.

    Perhaps if the rightists make a habit of beating the antifas they’ll tell the police to exclusively arrest the Trumpists.
     
    No "perhaps" about it.

    Replies: @Boomstick

    Government support for the antifa goons varies based on location, I think. In Berkeley the local, county, and the state leadership is fine with having the police turn a blind eye towards violence directed against conservatives. Under a Clinton administration the feds would be the same. It’s too early to see what Trump and Sessions will do. In Arizona it will probably be different.

    Politics winds up being a reflection of philosophy. There are a lot of philosophical and cultural fans of Weimar Germany in the US, and they’re rolling down the path of making America Weimar. It’s all just depressing.

  87. @BB753
    @res

    Well, you could argue that eventually the communists won and ran part of Germany and large areas of the world for a long time. Hell, they still run China and North Korea.

    Replies: @res

    True, but to be clear, I was referring to the early 1930s (i.e. not WW2 itself) : http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/weimar-germany/the-communist-party-and-weimar-germany/

    For example, from http://socialistreview.org.uk/378/lessons-of-defeat

    During the month of June 1932 alone, Communist street fighting against Nazi brown-shirts left 99 dead and 125 gravely wounded.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @res

    In the end, the red-shirts won. It's all that matters. And even in the West the Left still reigns supreme in the halls of universities and justice.

  88. @Joe Schmoe
    @Spyder


    Christ is this comment board filled with nuts.

     

    Well, you are here.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I was told he’d be amusing.

  89. The Right is winning the culture war:

    This is a fresh example, hot off the hard drive. The guy who makes these isn’t alt-right, from what I can tell, but he enjoys Trump & Alex Jones being themselves but not Hillary or Obama. This one was probably made with the upcoming presidential election in mind.

  90. @res
    @BB753

    True, but to be clear, I was referring to the early 1930s (i.e. not WW2 itself) : http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/weimar-germany/the-communist-party-and-weimar-germany/

    For example, from http://socialistreview.org.uk/378/lessons-of-defeat


    During the month of June 1932 alone, Communist street fighting against Nazi brown-shirts left 99 dead and 125 gravely wounded.
     

    Replies: @BB753

    In the end, the red-shirts won. It’s all that matters. And even in the West the Left still reigns supreme in the halls of universities and justice.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  91. @TheBoom
    I have no idea why but this is the type of thing that is not on Trump's or Sessions' radar. They have left Trump's supporters to fend for themselves. Antifa should be declared a terrorist group and the National Guard sent in to protect people from Antifa if states and cities don't get on top of it.

    On the other hand, maybe if we get a sad pic of a beaten older person to Ivanka it may become an issue.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    On the other hand, maybe if we get a sad pic of a beaten older person to Ivanka it may become an issue.

    Ivanka is a liberal. Sad pictures of beaten white people won’t upset her. She’s more likely to cry at sad pictures of antifa thugs getting beaten.

  92. In the name of Nonviolence, avoiding aggression, and Nonsinning, avoiding harm to others – it is time to treat Political Violence in our Constitutional Republican Mortal State, Liberal Democratic Mortal Society, and Welfare Capitalist Mortal Marketplace as Terrorism. Every Person and Citizen has Civil and Constitutional Rights – including having a Nonviolent Rally without getting beat up. No one has the ‘Right’ to be a Bully or a Vigilante – or to Avenge. Ayn Rand said, “A Gun is not an Argument”. Issues are Settled by Viewpoints – not gun sights. Buddha, Tao, Kami (Gods), and Megami (Goddesses) Bless from this humble little Japanese American Shamaness to all those who Protest within the Truces of the Civil Order. Honor the Golden Rule – and assault no one. Sayonara.

  93. @Erik L
    @Kevin C.

    Really? Seems to me this is the kind of law that is pretty easy to enforce. The violators are obvious, tend to be on camera and surrounded by cops as they are doing it. If the local cops refuse to enforce it there is precedent for the federal executive branch stepping in to protect civil rights.

    The only real difficulty I see is lack of mainstream media support but that could actually be kind of funny

    Replies: @Kevin C., @Escher

    Unsurprisingly, this news article on the BBC does not indicate who started the violence.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39612785

  94. @Yak-15
    @Hail

    Equality to play pretend soldier and get the bennies but inequality to duck actual physical violence.

    Form all women special forces and send them into Syria to show ISIS how tough women can be.

    Replies: @jtgw

    Progressive ideology in a nutshell. All the privileges and freedoms of adulthood with none of the responsibilities.

  95. This post was tickling something in my memory. Last night I finally realized what it was: Michael Crichton’s novel State of Fear. When I read the book, I thought Crichton’s eco-terrorists were just a goofy idea that he had dreamed up to make a point. Now I see that Crichton was talking about our actual future.

  96. @Diversity Heretic
    @Desiderius

    You make an excellent point--thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    “Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline.”

    What required discipline were for southrons to have followed through with “separate but equal” as explained by the Justices by the Plessy case. They couldn’t even get that right! Thankfully, white southerners got tired of being labeled anti-white by southrons merely for exercising their liberty to freely associate with black people.

    Now, on the issue that Mr. Sailer brings forward, indeed, law enforcement should employ the current laws to arrest anyone who wears a mask to a demonstration. That even includes your relatives, Diversity Heretic.

  97. @Hail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Note: The leftwing rioter who got clocked on video by Damigo (immortalized in this meme) turns out to have been a woman: Androgynous (characteristically for Antifa), masked, looking for trouble, participating in a riot, but a woman.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/853427147796512768

    Some commentary:
    https://twitter.com/seek1st/status/853422217195114496
    https://twitter.com/McPromize_AFC/status/853417956394577922
    https://twitter.com/DBellphork/status/853419200244621313
    https://twitter.com/darthomanizor/status/853425950481981440
    https://twitter.com/TrackTopicM/status/853412818707787776

    Every left-wing agitator, though, has undergone a miraculous conversion to Victorian High Moralist. An Easter miracle!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Hail, @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @BB753, @Prof. Woland

    At about one minute into the four minute video above, you can see her crying. I guess she felt overwhelmed.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Prof. Woland

    Our society is remarkably safe by historical standards. People like her feel emboldened by such a soft society as ours, and are egged on by movies of strong women warriors and so on (the recent Mad Max movie had such a lead character, but was a very good movie if you can get past that). In an actual situation of anarchic and mortal violence, obviously she wouldn't last long as a warrior. Either she would attach herself to men who know the art of war and are willing to protect her, or she would die. It's a hard world. In our soft world, she imagines herself a brave warrior. In fact she is a fool.

    , @Boomstick
    @Prof. Woland

    The regional CBS News site engaged in ridiculous propaganda by portraying her as some innocent victim:

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/17/berkeley-protester-recounts-being-sucker-punched-i-was-just-terrified/

    They neglect to mention that she was there to violently suppress free speech by mainstream conservatives, was planning on taking "100 scalps", and was photographed at the riot masked, wearing weighted sap gloves, and throwing glass bottles at her opponents. CBS gets lit up in the comments.

  98. @Anonymous
    @Diversity Heretic


    You make an excellent point–thank you! Negroes needed to be governed by something other than Anglo-Celtic norms and southern sheriffs and Jim Crow provided that required discipline. The present snarling black underclass is a result of foolish decisions in the 1960s made on the premise that Negroes were simply white people in dark skin.
     
    This is a pretty good summation of reality.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    This is a pretty good summation of reality.

    No, it’s frankly bizarre and wouldn’t survive a study of comparative crime statistics.

  99. @Mr. Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    "I think “antifa” is short for “anti-fascist”. Nevermind that the antifa are basically fascist themselves.'

    No, they basically aren't. Someday they might meet real fascists, and they'll learn what that word really means.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Granted that the antifa are not as skilled or disciplined as more famous fascists, such as the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento or Hitler’s SA, but as far as the basic ingredients of fascism:

    • reject free and open debate, CHECK

    • use of violence to intimidate political opponents, CHECK

    • submerge individual identities in group culture, however counter-reality, CHECK

    • wear uniform clothing, if not quite uniforms, CHECK

    they’re all there.

  100. @Ivy
    @BB753

    How many commenters imagine their Mom taking a swing at a protestor? Then ask that about other sites.

    Replies: @donut

    Well I’ve seen my mother take a swing or two at one particular protestor .

  101. Dahlia says:

    “A pattern of official tolerance of illegal violence against citizens engaging in their right of assembly has emerged in Northern California going back to the assault on the Trump rally in San Jose last year, with very few arrests of members of semi-organized mobs of masked blackshirts.”

    It started before, but San Jose is where we started to make a stand and organize to punish these guys and get the word out on this pattern as well as pointing out that the MSM, e.g., Jonathan Chait, were cheering on assaults of women (he tweeted in now deleted tweets how he liked the egged woman, Rachel); he was retweeted by his fellow DC journalists.

    I’ve banged on this drum ever since and I guess it took physically hitting back hard for our side to overcome the demoralization that came from our elderly, women, and children being abused to finally begin speaking out…
    Mike Cernovich has a fine write-up about the long history of assaults of vulnerable Trump supporters.

  102. @Kevin C.
    @Almost Missouri


    I still don’t think civil war is the necessary end game, but the Progs are doing everything right if they want to bring that about…
     
    In my experience, I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they'll win it handily (and based on what I see, they have very good reasons for thinking that).

    Replies: @J1234

    I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they’ll win it handily

    No, they think the US military will win it handily.

    “They’ll” have little to do with it on a personal level because wars come with a whole lot of unpleasant reality.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @J1234

    Given the number of veterans on the Right, its amazing that they think the US military will aid them.

  103. Hail says: • Website
    @Prof. Woland
    @Hail

    At about one minute into the four minute video above, you can see her crying. I guess she felt overwhelmed.

    Replies: @Hail, @Boomstick

    Our society is remarkably safe by historical standards. People like her feel emboldened by such a soft society as ours, and are egged on by movies of strong women warriors and so on (the recent Mad Max movie had such a lead character, but was a very good movie if you can get past that). In an actual situation of anarchic and mortal violence, obviously she wouldn’t last long as a warrior. Either she would attach herself to men who know the art of war and are willing to protect her, or she would die. It’s a hard world. In our soft world, she imagines herself a brave warrior. In fact she is a fool.

  104. @Dee
    The street fighting is kool, but going after the 1 percenters that fund and encourage this is where the effort should be.

    Replies: @Hail

    going after the 1 percenters

    How do you propose to do that?

  105. @slumber_j
    It only just occurred to me that the expression "antifa" must be derived from--or I guess be wordplay on--a less-used Spanish word for mask. The normal word is máscara, but for the KKK-style hood/mask deployed in e.g. Seville Holy Week penitent marches, the word is antifaz.

    I must be getting slow, literally: otherwise I can't see how this insight eluded me for so long.

    Replies: @Seamus Padraig, @Almost Missouri, @Stealth, @Expletive Deleted

    It’s a German thing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism#Germany:_Cold_War_.22anti-fascism.22_and_after
    with roots going back to this lot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
    and the autonomes (Italy).
    (And good ole Operation Gladio, for those partial to the Alcan beret.
    https://libcom.org/library/advisory-concerning-spectacular-terrorism)

  106. @Mr. Anon
    Street-fighting men having it out at protests is all part of the Weimarization of America. It's here to stay. One may as well get used to it.

    Replies: @res, @The True and Original David

    The final solution of this problem will come only when most of the gangs on one side unite and beat to a pulp the gangs on the other side and then win some national elections.

    Can MAGA happen within the System? It may be the case that a return to the politics of 1776 – i.e. don’t debate, just get some tar and feathers – will become possible. The Bourgeoisie oppose that because it may mean broken shop windows.

  107. @Prof. Woland
    @Hail

    At about one minute into the four minute video above, you can see her crying. I guess she felt overwhelmed.

    Replies: @Hail, @Boomstick

    The regional CBS News site engaged in ridiculous propaganda by portraying her as some innocent victim:

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/17/berkeley-protester-recounts-being-sucker-punched-i-was-just-terrified/

    They neglect to mention that she was there to violently suppress free speech by mainstream conservatives, was planning on taking “100 scalps”, and was photographed at the riot masked, wearing weighted sap gloves, and throwing glass bottles at her opponents. CBS gets lit up in the comments.

  108. @J1234
    @Kevin C.


    I think civil war is indeed the endgame sought by at least some Progs, because they think they’ll win it handily
     
    No, they think the US military will win it handily.

    "They'll" have little to do with it on a personal level because wars come with a whole lot of unpleasant reality.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Given the number of veterans on the Right, its amazing that they think the US military will aid them.

  109. @jesse helms think-alike
    Dunno if this is sarcasm or naivete

    Of course the organs of state security allow the left to get away with anything up to and sometimes including murder while right of center types must apologize for their mere existence

    anything else would be raciss, homophobic or sexist or some combination thereof

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    The action of the Berkeley Police- disarming those opposed to the regime and then vanishing, gives the lie to those morons who claim that the pigs are on the side of the Right.

    The Filth are on their own side and that means doing what their paymasters say, and if that involves victimizing those they allegedly agree with, that’s just life.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  110. @Mr. Anon
    "On the Black Bloc side? Probably not a lot. If the government had infiltrated them they could have rolled up the Black Bloc in the wake of the Milo event or a couple Trump rallies."

    That presumes the purpose of infiltrating political movements is to bring them to an end. I'd say that is far from certain. Perhaps the purpose is to harness them and make use of them.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    That was certainly the case under the Clinton regime where White Militias appeared out of nowhere, didn’t do a damn thing but allow the Feds to preen and vanished back into the woodwork with the advent of Bush the Lesser.
    Every cell of six consisted of two local fuckwits, three Feds and the guy from the SPLC.

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