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From the Los Angeles Times in 1999:

Zedillo Key to End of Prop. 187, Villaraigosa Says
August 04, 1999 | MARY BETH SHERIDAN | TIMES STAFF WRITER

MEXICO CITY — California Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa thanked President Ernesto Zedillo here Tuesday for helping defuse Proposition 187, saying the Mexican leader played a key role in scuttling the controversial state measure that denied benefits to illegal immigrants.

“As leader of the state Assembly, I say President Zedillo had great impact in defeating Proposition 187,” Villaraigosa told a news conference after he and a state delegation met the Mexican chief executive. Zedillo’s visit to California in May “pushed the process” that eventually invalidated most of the measure, the speaker said.

Villaraigosa’s declarations were perhaps the clearest sign yet of California’s radical change in relations with Mexico and of the rise of a new phenomenon: cross-border politics. Once a distant neighbor, the Mexican president has become a prized ally for California politicians eager to court the Latino vote.

“The emergence of cross-border coalitions and issues shows the advent of a whole new era in U.S.-Mexican and Mexico-California relations,” said Denise Dresser, a visiting fellow at the Pacific Council think tank in Los Angeles.

The meeting with Zedillo was the centerpiece of a four-day visit to Mexico by Villaraigosa, a Los Angeles Democrat who is trying to promote economic and political ties between California and its southern neighbor. He is also considering a run for mayor of Los Angeles.

“He gave thanks on behalf of Mexican Americans,” said the official, Deputy Foreign Minister Juan Rebolledo.

“I was surprised he was so explicit,” Rebolledo added.

Thanks to commenter KevinB for remembering this forgotten event.

 
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  1. Uhh not analogous because democrats use foreign Americans to get good things and promote diversity and love

    Conservatives use foreign nationalists to pursue white supremacy

    Leonard Pitts nails it as usual

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article193285194.html

    • LOL: Coemgen, Autochthon
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Tiny Duck

    >*foreign nationalists* to pursue white supremacy

    https://pics.me.me/everyone-is-entitled-to-be-stupid-but-you-abuse-the-14155667.png

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @Lemurmaniac
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck is an ur-troll.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Tiny Duck

    Leonard Pitts. Cry me a river.

  2. Leonard Pitts nails it as usual

    I prefer his brother Arm.

  3. It’s Not “Foreign Meddling” When the Democrats Win

    Just what is “foreign” to a post-American, anyway?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Just what is “foreign” to a post-American, anyway?
     
    Wypipos of course. See Post #1. Like Bret Stephens and the rest of the NYT says--everyone in the world belongs in America, except wypipos. Did I say "rest of the NYT"? I meant "rest of the Establishment"...
    , @WowJustWow
    @Reg Cæsar

    All foreigners are just Americans in waiting, including Ernesto Zedillo and Vladimir Putin. It would be xenophobic and racist to criticize them for trying to influence our politics just because they haven't gotten their papers in order yet.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  4. At this point exactly who is minding California’s finances? Sure seem like they are digging a heck of a financial hole, considering they’re in one now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sunbeam

    Daresay 'tis the virtue of having Illinois and New Jersey to point to. Look at all the cover they provide for fiscal legerdemain on the part of democrats everywhere--and many republicans too, tbh.

    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?

    https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cynthia curran

  5. @Tiny Duck
    Uhh not analogous because democrats use foreign Americans to get good things and promote diversity and love



    Conservatives use foreign nationalists to pursue white supremacy

    Leonard Pitts nails it as usual

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article193285194.html

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Lemurmaniac, @MBlanc46

    >*foreign nationalists* to pursue white supremacy

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @nebulafox

    Why are you throwing shade on TD?

    Zhe (pronoun, third person, gender neutral) just told us "democrats use foreign Americans to get good things", which is pretty much what iSteve is telling us in the grandparent post?

    "democrats use foreign Americans to get good things" probably didn't come out with the meaning that TD intended, but you take what you can get.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  6. Foreign participation has been part of American politics for much longer than people think. Case in point: the Zimmermann telegram. There were plenty of Americans of German and Irish extraction (and Jewish Americans, up until 1917, had little love for anything that helped Tsarist Russia) that did not want any part of intervening on the side of the Allies, meaning that it took some help for America’s intellectual progressive classes to get their moral crusade.

    One of the reasons Hitler was *pissed* with Mussolini for his Greek invasion in October of 1940 was because he did it before the American election. In 1968, different branches of the Soviet government supported different candidates: the Party wanted Humphrey, the KGB Nixon. Then there was China in the 1990s with favoring Bush at first, and then shifting to Clinton by ’96, then heading back to Bush in 2000. So on and so forth.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @nebulafox

    Yup. All sorts of great examples you give, not to mention Polish-Americans wanting us to go after communism and liberate their homeland, and of course Israel through the years. Though I imagine the KGB probably thought our being tough on communism would increase their budget...

  7. This Left Wing article talks about how if it wasn’t for immigration Donald Trump would not have a cabinet because all members of his cabinet descend from immigrants.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/18/donald-trump-immigration-chain-migration-dan-scavino-tomi-lahren-216332

    But The Donald’s cabinet all descend from the same continent that Norwegians come from which is Europe, none of them descend from El Salvadorians or Haitians.

    This article is an epic fail in trying to convince people that mass immigration is good no matter where the immigrants come from.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jefferson

    Isn't the secretary of transportation (before that of labour) the Oriental concubine of The Sad Turtle? (Not that I endorse her appointment.Quaere: Did the Turtle recuse himself from voting to confirm her? Shouldn't he have...?

    , @guest
    @Jefferson

    They might as well write an article titled: "Hey, Did You Know Trump's Name is Actually Drumpf?"

    , @Twodees Partain
    @Jefferson

    Jeff, that's Salvadorans. You wouldn't call Irish people Irelandians, would you?

  8. @Reg Cæsar

    It's Not "Foreign Meddling" When the Democrats Win
     
    Just what is "foreign" to a post-American, anyway?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @WowJustWow

    Just what is “foreign” to a post-American, anyway?

    Wypipos of course. See Post #1. Like Bret Stephens and the rest of the NYT says–everyone in the world belongs in America, except wypipos. Did I say “rest of the NYT”? I meant “rest of the Establishment”…

  9. @Sunbeam
    At this point exactly who is minding California's finances? Sure seem like they are digging a heck of a financial hole, considering they're in one now.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Daresay ’tis the virtue of having Illinois and New Jersey to point to. Look at all the cover they provide for fiscal legerdemain on the part of democrats everywhere–and many republicans too, tbh.

    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?
     
    Bribery is the first thing that comes to mind, but then Illinois and New Jersey would be right up there next to them.

    Extraction and Saintliness explain the rest of the top five.
    , @cynthia curran
    @Anonymous

    Yes, and Arizona is now doing better than Florida and Texas in some ways. I recently saw a study that put Miami, Dallas, and Houston in the unaffordable top 20 metro areas for housing. Last year, Florida barely could more domestic migration than international and Texas got more international than domestic. Arizona which the past few years has finally come out of the recession is now getting more domestic than international. Remember, Arizona was the first state to passed e-verify. I bet in a few years Arizona is not in the bottom but moves up as it gets native born citizens and the greater Phoenix area is now taking some tech away from Austin Texas because of driveless cars.

  10. @Jefferson
    This Left Wing article talks about how if it wasn't for immigration Donald Trump would not have a cabinet because all members of his cabinet descend from immigrants.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/18/donald-trump-immigration-chain-migration-dan-scavino-tomi-lahren-216332

    But The Donald's cabinet all descend from the same continent that Norwegians come from which is Europe, none of them descend from El Salvadorians or Haitians.

    This article is an epic fail in trying to convince people that mass immigration is good no matter where the immigrants come from.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @guest, @Twodees Partain

    Isn’t the secretary of transportation (before that of labour) the Oriental concubine of The Sad Turtle? (Not that I endorse her appointment.Quaere: Did the Turtle recuse himself from voting to confirm her? Shouldn’t he have…?

  11. It’s worse than that. Clinton can stage a photo with a Russian “re-set” button and receive acclaim for it, then turn around and LIE about Trump merely talking to them: and the result is a special prosecutor.

    “Collusion” isn’t a crime. So even if the lie were true, what crime would have been committed? Of course the Mexican President and every other country “colludes” with people in the USA.

    This is what you get when the government runs your schools. A brain dead idiocracy.

  12. August 04, 1999

    Thanks to commenter KevinB for remembering this forgotten event.

    It’s been superseded in the public mind by Obama’s birthday.

    (So has Coast Guard Day, but no one was paying attention to that anyway.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar


    It’s been superseded in the public mind by Obama’s birthday.
     
    Oh, I didn't know you were a Kenyan, Reg. Do y'all get the day off for the famous native son's birthday festivities?
  13. @Reg Cæsar

    August 04, 1999

    Thanks to commenter KevinB for remembering this forgotten event.
     
    It's been superseded in the public mind by Obama's birthday.

    (So has Coast Guard Day, but no one was paying attention to that anyway.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s been superseded in the public mind by Obama’s birthday.

    Oh, I didn’t know you were a Kenyan, Reg. Do y’all get the day off for the famous native son’s birthday festivities?

  14. @Anonymous
    @Sunbeam

    Daresay 'tis the virtue of having Illinois and New Jersey to point to. Look at all the cover they provide for fiscal legerdemain on the part of democrats everywhere--and many republicans too, tbh.

    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?

    https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cynthia curran

    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?

    Bribery is the first thing that comes to mind, but then Illinois and New Jersey would be right up there next to them.

    Extraction and Saintliness explain the rest of the top five.

  15. istevefan says:

    It’s Not “Foreign Meddling” When the Democrats Win

    It’s not seen as foreign meddling when the foreign entity has enough of its ethnics in the USA that they aren’t really seen as foreign. I imagine the Mexican-American Antonio Villaraigosa and his Cali cohorts looked upon Mexico and then President Ernesto Zedillo as amigos. It’s probably the same way Anglicized European Americans look upon the UK and PM Thatcher, Blair, etc. Or how Bret Stephens looks upon Israel and PM Netanyahu.

    Russia is a problem because there really isn’t a whole lot of ethnic Russians in the US.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @istevefan

    If you count Russian Jews in places like Brighton Beach there are a fair amount. In the USSR, assimilation and intermarriage was very common, so many identify as Russian, much as pre-1933 German Jews identified as wholly German. Sergei Brin grew up speaking fluent Russian, not Hebrew or Yiddish. (It isn't limited to the US: to this day, Israel is the largest Russophonic nation outside the former USSR, and Israel's got a bit of a problem with Russian organized crime.)

    Though I do agree they don't have anywhere near the heft of Salvadorans or Mexicans or Chinese. I don't think the often highly un-PC right-wing beliefs-to the extent that would make Pat Buchanan blush-commonly held by migrants from the former USSR who, after all, are largely white, help matters.

    Replies: @SFG, @guest

    , @SFG
    @istevefan

    I agree. Irish-Americans in Boston used to send money to the IRA; there are other examples I am sure you can think of.

    I'm also worried about all the prominent Chinese-Americans now that rivalry with China is starting to heat up.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @guest
    @istevefan

    "Russia is a problem because..."

    They're outside the NWO and a potential threat to world bankster domination.

    Oh, and they're white and largely Christian.

  16. @istevefan

    It's Not "Foreign Meddling" When the Democrats Win
     
    It's not seen as foreign meddling when the foreign entity has enough of its ethnics in the USA that they aren't really seen as foreign. I imagine the Mexican-American Antonio Villaraigosa and his Cali cohorts looked upon Mexico and then President Ernesto Zedillo as amigos. It's probably the same way Anglicized European Americans look upon the UK and PM Thatcher, Blair, etc. Or how Bret Stephens looks upon Israel and PM Netanyahu.

    Russia is a problem because there really isn't a whole lot of ethnic Russians in the US.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @SFG, @guest

    If you count Russian Jews in places like Brighton Beach there are a fair amount. In the USSR, assimilation and intermarriage was very common, so many identify as Russian, much as pre-1933 German Jews identified as wholly German. Sergei Brin grew up speaking fluent Russian, not Hebrew or Yiddish. (It isn’t limited to the US: to this day, Israel is the largest Russophonic nation outside the former USSR, and Israel’s got a bit of a problem with Russian organized crime.)

    Though I do agree they don’t have anywhere near the heft of Salvadorans or Mexicans or Chinese. I don’t think the often highly un-PC right-wing beliefs-to the extent that would make Pat Buchanan blush-commonly held by migrants from the former USSR who, after all, are largely white, help matters.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @nebulafox

    True, but you don't see those guys being pro-Putin. There aren't huge numbers of Orthodox Russians here, and a lot of the non-Russian Eastern Europeans, while having un-PC racial views, are really, really anti-Putin. Everyone here likes to pick on Anne Applebaum and rightly so, but her hubby is the ex-Polish foreign minister.

    Personally I admire Putin for his pursual of his country's interests...but I can't be too pleased, as it comes at the expense of the USA's. Not that Russia's inherently evil or anything...it's just geopolitics.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @guest
    @nebulafox

    "If you count Russian Jews..."

    We don't.

  17. @nebulafox
    @Tiny Duck

    >*foreign nationalists* to pursue white supremacy

    https://pics.me.me/everyone-is-entitled-to-be-stupid-but-you-abuse-the-14155667.png

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Why are you throwing shade on TD?

    Zhe (pronoun, third person, gender neutral) just told us “democrats use foreign Americans to get good things”, which is pretty much what iSteve is telling us in the grandparent post?

    “democrats use foreign Americans to get good things” probably didn’t come out with the meaning that TD intended, but you take what you can get.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Inquiring Mind

    True, but I don't think the Saudis and Chinese who backed Dubya had the goal of supporting white nationalism.

  18. @istevefan

    It's Not "Foreign Meddling" When the Democrats Win
     
    It's not seen as foreign meddling when the foreign entity has enough of its ethnics in the USA that they aren't really seen as foreign. I imagine the Mexican-American Antonio Villaraigosa and his Cali cohorts looked upon Mexico and then President Ernesto Zedillo as amigos. It's probably the same way Anglicized European Americans look upon the UK and PM Thatcher, Blair, etc. Or how Bret Stephens looks upon Israel and PM Netanyahu.

    Russia is a problem because there really isn't a whole lot of ethnic Russians in the US.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @SFG, @guest

    I agree. Irish-Americans in Boston used to send money to the IRA; there are other examples I am sure you can think of.

    I’m also worried about all the prominent Chinese-Americans now that rivalry with China is starting to heat up.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @SFG

    Funny story: Mussolini was idolized by a lot of Italian Americans in the 1930s. He even dedicated a statue in Chicago.

    As for the Chinese, yes, but that said, it does depend on the kind of Chinese-American. Most Taiwanese immigrants and their kids have few illusions about the CCP, and the descendants of the Cantonese who came over in the 1800s have about as much of a connection to China as most German-Americans do to Germany or African-Americans do to Africa, pretentions of prominent intellectuals aside. This isn't helped by the fact that America's stock as a "model" has gone down. In the 1990s, everybody who was young and upcoming in China wanted to imitate the US. Now, not so much. Partially, this has to do with the astounding economic success of China in the past quarter century, but a lot of that has to do with what we did in Russia and Iraq and Syria and Libya, to be honest. (CCP: "See, that's what happens when they say they want to spread freedom and democracy. Do you want to be like 90s Russia?") I don't think having screaming cultural Bolsheviks running amok helps matters, given the memory of the Cultural Revolution in China.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  19. The British sitcom “Yes, Prime Minister” explained these sort of emotive conjugations as irregular verbs:

    – I give confidential press briefings;
    – You leak;
    – He’s being charged under section 2A of the Official Secrets Act.

  20. @nebulafox
    Foreign participation has been part of American politics for much longer than people think. Case in point: the Zimmermann telegram. There were plenty of Americans of German and Irish extraction (and Jewish Americans, up until 1917, had little love for anything that helped Tsarist Russia) that did not want any part of intervening on the side of the Allies, meaning that it took some help for America's intellectual progressive classes to get their moral crusade.

    One of the reasons Hitler was *pissed* with Mussolini for his Greek invasion in October of 1940 was because he did it before the American election. In 1968, different branches of the Soviet government supported different candidates: the Party wanted Humphrey, the KGB Nixon. Then there was China in the 1990s with favoring Bush at first, and then shifting to Clinton by '96, then heading back to Bush in 2000. So on and so forth.

    Replies: @SFG

    Yup. All sorts of great examples you give, not to mention Polish-Americans wanting us to go after communism and liberate their homeland, and of course Israel through the years. Though I imagine the KGB probably thought our being tough on communism would increase their budget…

  21. @nebulafox
    @istevefan

    If you count Russian Jews in places like Brighton Beach there are a fair amount. In the USSR, assimilation and intermarriage was very common, so many identify as Russian, much as pre-1933 German Jews identified as wholly German. Sergei Brin grew up speaking fluent Russian, not Hebrew or Yiddish. (It isn't limited to the US: to this day, Israel is the largest Russophonic nation outside the former USSR, and Israel's got a bit of a problem with Russian organized crime.)

    Though I do agree they don't have anywhere near the heft of Salvadorans or Mexicans or Chinese. I don't think the often highly un-PC right-wing beliefs-to the extent that would make Pat Buchanan blush-commonly held by migrants from the former USSR who, after all, are largely white, help matters.

    Replies: @SFG, @guest

    True, but you don’t see those guys being pro-Putin. There aren’t huge numbers of Orthodox Russians here, and a lot of the non-Russian Eastern Europeans, while having un-PC racial views, are really, really anti-Putin. Everyone here likes to pick on Anne Applebaum and rightly so, but her hubby is the ex-Polish foreign minister.

    Personally I admire Putin for his pursual of his country’s interests…but I can’t be too pleased, as it comes at the expense of the USA’s. Not that Russia’s inherently evil or anything…it’s just geopolitics.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @SFG

    The post-Stalin KGB was dominated by ethnic Russians-the Jewish intellectuals who founded it got nailed by the purges. This was as Stalin fully wanted, given his own anti-Semitism and Russian nationalism. Ironically enough and perhaps partially as a result, it tended to be the most realistic of the branches of Soviet government when it came to things like economics and held the post-60s cultural leftists of the West as a bizarre example of what happens to capitalist societies in terminal decline. Beria actually proposed the restoration of private property in a secret memo toward the end of Stalin's reign, though obviously he had far too many enemies to realistically have a chance of winning the post-Stalin power struggle.

    For most, yes. You can bet that Putin really isn't happy about the fact that most high-horsepower Russian scientists prefer to live abroad, whether here, in Europe, or in Israel. With one major caveat: Russian criminals in the US are a different story, given the rather blurry relationship between them, their government, their private sector, and their security services. (It is like Mexico: you don't really know which is which in Russia.)

    Replies: @Jake

  22. @SFG
    @istevefan

    I agree. Irish-Americans in Boston used to send money to the IRA; there are other examples I am sure you can think of.

    I'm also worried about all the prominent Chinese-Americans now that rivalry with China is starting to heat up.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Funny story: Mussolini was idolized by a lot of Italian Americans in the 1930s. He even dedicated a statue in Chicago.

    As for the Chinese, yes, but that said, it does depend on the kind of Chinese-American. Most Taiwanese immigrants and their kids have few illusions about the CCP, and the descendants of the Cantonese who came over in the 1800s have about as much of a connection to China as most German-Americans do to Germany or African-Americans do to Africa, pretentions of prominent intellectuals aside. This isn’t helped by the fact that America’s stock as a “model” has gone down. In the 1990s, everybody who was young and upcoming in China wanted to imitate the US. Now, not so much. Partially, this has to do with the astounding economic success of China in the past quarter century, but a lot of that has to do with what we did in Russia and Iraq and Syria and Libya, to be honest. (CCP: “See, that’s what happens when they say they want to spread freedom and democracy. Do you want to be like 90s Russia?”) I don’t think having screaming cultural Bolsheviks running amok helps matters, given the memory of the Cultural Revolution in China.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @nebulafox

    The Dems are now clamoring to have the statue of Italo Balbo removed, because, you know, fascism.

  23. @SFG
    @nebulafox

    True, but you don't see those guys being pro-Putin. There aren't huge numbers of Orthodox Russians here, and a lot of the non-Russian Eastern Europeans, while having un-PC racial views, are really, really anti-Putin. Everyone here likes to pick on Anne Applebaum and rightly so, but her hubby is the ex-Polish foreign minister.

    Personally I admire Putin for his pursual of his country's interests...but I can't be too pleased, as it comes at the expense of the USA's. Not that Russia's inherently evil or anything...it's just geopolitics.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    The post-Stalin KGB was dominated by ethnic Russians-the Jewish intellectuals who founded it got nailed by the purges. This was as Stalin fully wanted, given his own anti-Semitism and Russian nationalism. Ironically enough and perhaps partially as a result, it tended to be the most realistic of the branches of Soviet government when it came to things like economics and held the post-60s cultural leftists of the West as a bizarre example of what happens to capitalist societies in terminal decline. Beria actually proposed the restoration of private property in a secret memo toward the end of Stalin’s reign, though obviously he had far too many enemies to realistically have a chance of winning the post-Stalin power struggle.

    For most, yes. You can bet that Putin really isn’t happy about the fact that most high-horsepower Russian scientists prefer to live abroad, whether here, in Europe, or in Israel. With one major caveat: Russian criminals in the US are a different story, given the rather blurry relationship between them, their government, their private sector, and their security services. (It is like Mexico: you don’t really know which is which in Russia.)

    • Replies: @Jake
    @nebulafox

    Stalin was NOT a Russian nationalist; he wasn't even Russian. Stalin was Georgian.

    Stalin was NOT an anti-Semite, save in the sense that the term is applied to all Gentiles who ever do or say anything that is opposed by any Jew. Stalin had a Jewish wife, and Stalin's road into Marxism began when as a student, whose education was hopes to prepare him for the priesthood, he began hanging out with Jews in the big city.

    Are you just ignorant of Russia and the Bolsheviks, or are you a paid poster for the SPLC or ADL or Soros?

  24. @Inquiring Mind
    @nebulafox

    Why are you throwing shade on TD?

    Zhe (pronoun, third person, gender neutral) just told us "democrats use foreign Americans to get good things", which is pretty much what iSteve is telling us in the grandparent post?

    "democrats use foreign Americans to get good things" probably didn't come out with the meaning that TD intended, but you take what you can get.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    True, but I don’t think the Saudis and Chinese who backed Dubya had the goal of supporting white nationalism.

  25. @nebulafox
    @SFG

    The post-Stalin KGB was dominated by ethnic Russians-the Jewish intellectuals who founded it got nailed by the purges. This was as Stalin fully wanted, given his own anti-Semitism and Russian nationalism. Ironically enough and perhaps partially as a result, it tended to be the most realistic of the branches of Soviet government when it came to things like economics and held the post-60s cultural leftists of the West as a bizarre example of what happens to capitalist societies in terminal decline. Beria actually proposed the restoration of private property in a secret memo toward the end of Stalin's reign, though obviously he had far too many enemies to realistically have a chance of winning the post-Stalin power struggle.

    For most, yes. You can bet that Putin really isn't happy about the fact that most high-horsepower Russian scientists prefer to live abroad, whether here, in Europe, or in Israel. With one major caveat: Russian criminals in the US are a different story, given the rather blurry relationship between them, their government, their private sector, and their security services. (It is like Mexico: you don't really know which is which in Russia.)

    Replies: @Jake

    Stalin was NOT a Russian nationalist; he wasn’t even Russian. Stalin was Georgian.

    Stalin was NOT an anti-Semite, save in the sense that the term is applied to all Gentiles who ever do or say anything that is opposed by any Jew. Stalin had a Jewish wife, and Stalin’s road into Marxism began when as a student, whose education was hopes to prepare him for the priesthood, he began hanging out with Jews in the big city.

    Are you just ignorant of Russia and the Bolsheviks, or are you a paid poster for the SPLC or ADL or Soros?

  26. “As leader of the state Assembly, I say President Zedillo had great impact in defeating Proposition 187,” Villaraigosa said…

    Which “defeat” of Prop 187 was this? I’m aware of only one vote on Prop 187. It won with 58.93% of the vote, in an off-year election where turnout was (what to me seems a pretty damn high rate of) over 60%. FOregon meddling in overturning the will of an overhwhelming majority of the voters is totally legitimate, right?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JollyOldSoul

    It wasn’t foreigners that overturned prop 187. It was one, just one, liberal feminazi judge, Marian Pfaelzer

    One judge overturned a law passed by millions of voters.

    All in accordance with our constitution exactly as our founders intended, judicial supremacy over the legislative and executive branches.

  27. the controversial state measure that denied benefits to illegal immigrants

    It’s not meddling when oppressed brown people win — the essential problem then as now is that Whites are not allowed to have and express any sort of racial identity for themselves or their countries — 187 was portrayed and attacked on that basis.

    The anti-immigration movement in the 1990s was pushed to the limits with Proposition 187 that was on the ballot of the 1994 California election. This proposition used innovative neutral language to hide the discrimination, inequality and racism towards the Latino population and in particular the Mexican population in the state of California.

    “innovative neutral language”

  28. In ’99, the Los Angeles Times still felt obligated to give token acknowledgement to differing points of view. These are all letters to the editor:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/06/local/me-63116

    Re “Zedillo Key to End of Prop. 187, Villaraigosa Says,” Aug 4:

    I don’t know which I dislike more–mean-spirited politics like Prop. 187 or foreign politicians meddling in our affairs. If Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo is so concerned about the welfare of his expatriated citizens, perhaps he should take better care of them before they leave home.

    Maybe the time has come for the U.S. to get involved with helping to shape Zedillo’s country’s policy. With Mexico’s history of widespread government corruption at the expense of its poor working class, perhaps Zedillo’s time would be better spent trying to clean up his own house before wanting to clean up ours.

    My advice to him? Make Mexico a better place to live so that throngs of oppressed people don’t need to keep trying to escape across the border for a better life here.

    A California legislator praises and thanks the president of Mexico for helping to defeat the will of the majority of California’s voters. Is this a great country or what?

    Intersectionality in action:

    Re “Some Are Embittered by Fate of Prop. 187,” Aug. 2: I am a former gay activist and a staunch Democrat. I voted for Prop. 187. I have worked in operations/production management for the past 20 years, and being unemployed for over a year and unable to get employment in my field in California because I do not speak Spanish is an outrage. I have personal knowledge that many illegal aliens hold jobs that pay from $11 to $22 per hour.

    If there is a recall of Gov. Gray Davis over this issue, I will be first in line to sign the petition. All of my Hispanic friends who came here legally from South America also support Prop. 187. Illegal aliens cause wages to be lower for all workers.

    La Raza foreva:

    Re the statement by Roberta Gilliam, “Shoot illegals at the border”: If that is not racism, I don’t know what is. They are just returning to this beautiful land of opportunity, which was once their own. Let us face it, eventually it will be theirs again. Politically.

    Here is a response to that letter:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/16/local/me-708

    Jose V. Soto’s use of the “racism” (letter, Aug. 6) is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. “They” (i.e. illegal aliens) never “owned” California. They descendants of people who lived in Mexico during the brief time in history (1821-1848) that Alta California was a province of that country. This hardly represents a claim of ownership. The aristocratic Spanish-speaking people in California (only about 20,000 at the time of the Gold Rush) did not consider themselves Mexicans, but Californios. If prior inhabitancy by one’s ancestors is the primary reason for claiming “ownership” of California, then it belongs to the Amerasian tribes who lived here for thousands of years before anyone spoke Spanish.

    This is what Gilliam said:

    Gilliam was drawn into politics by Ross Perot in 1992. In 1994, she was one of the foot soldiers in the pro-Proposition 187 campaign. She sees California’s extensive system of social services as a carrot drawing thousands of immigrants from around the world.

    “We’re in the middle of an invasion,” she said. “And who can blame them?”

    Proposition 187 would have moved the carrot out of reach. Absent that strategy, Gilliam is a decisive proponent of looking for a solution in the form of a stick–a big stick.

    “Shoot ’em,” she said. “Shoot illegals at the border. If people knew they were going to get shot dead they wouldn’t come.”

    The Gilliam quote was taken from this article, published on Aug. 2, 1999:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/02/news/mn-61875

    Nineteen years ago, the pro-immivasion rhetoric was pretty much the same:

    “The wrong side of history”:

    The politicians say growing Latino political strength can be traced directly to a backlash against Proposition 187. That strength helps account for a shift of more than half a million votes from the Republican to the Democratic Party in recent elections, they say.

    The strongest statement of this idea came from Bill Carrick, a Democratic campaign consultant.

    “Republicans put themselves on the wrong side of history,” he said.

    “You’re on the wrong side of history! So just shut up and die already!”

  29. A few more letters to the editor:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/08/opinion/op-63895

    What am I missing here? Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa thanks Mexico’s President Ernesto Zedillo for helping kill Proposition 187, which denied benefits to Mexicans who broke our laws to live in California illegally. This measure was passed in 1994 by 60% of California’s voters. Real citizens.

    We know who Zedillo works for. But who does Villaraigosa work for? Certainly not the bona fide residents of California who pay his salary. Isn’t there anybody else out there who finds it scary to lose his or her vote?

    When I opened the paper Wednesday morning, I could not believe what I saw and read. The world must have turned upside down. How can an elected speaker of the California Assembly applaud the president of a foreign country for meddling in our politics and thwarting the will of the people of California? The very same people whom he represents and whose interests he is supposed to protect as speaker of the Assembly.

    What he did is absurd, contrary to all reason or common sense. To whom does he owe allegiance? We need to ask him where his loyalty lies–with the Mexican people or the people of California?

    I don’t know what drove him to do what he did–stupidity, naivete, ignorance or arrogance.

    Zedillo has no more business interfering with California proposition outcomes than the Chinese army does in trying to influence our national elections. He should be paying attention to his own problems in Mexico and Villaraigosa should be paying attention to the problems of California.

    When Villaraigosa runs for mayor of Los Angeles will it be on the Democratic or the PRI ticket?

    Coincidentally, on Aug. 4, 1999, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts’ ban on gays was illegal. The case went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in favor of the Scouts. This was but a minor ripple in the (sewage) flow of history leading to the gay-marriage brouhaha to come.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Stan Adams

    How long until history flows into my disallow men access to my bed being discriminatory (in the bad sense)? Or is history pretty much done with homos, having moved onto trannies and eventually kiddie-rapers and incest?

  30. @Reg Cæsar

    It's Not "Foreign Meddling" When the Democrats Win
     
    Just what is "foreign" to a post-American, anyway?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @WowJustWow

    All foreigners are just Americans in waiting, including Ernesto Zedillo and Vladimir Putin. It would be xenophobic and racist to criticize them for trying to influence our politics just because they haven’t gotten their papers in order yet.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @WowJustWow

    And what even is all this talk about papers?
    That's not who we are, etc.

  31. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Mussolini was idolized by a lot of Italian Americans in the 1930s. He even dedicated a statue in Chicago.”

    There was a short time when Italian trans-Atlantic sea-planes ruled!

    Savoia-Marchetti_S.55.

    Italo Balbo, Aviator:

    “…From 1 July to 12 August 1933, twenty-four seaplanes flew round-trip from Rome to the Century of Progress in Chicago, Illinois. The flight had eight legs: Orbetello – Amsterdam – Derry – Reykjavík – Cartwright, Labrador – Shediac – Montreal ending on Lake Michigan near Burnham Park and New York City. In honor of this feat, Mussolini donated a column from Ostia to the city of Chicago: the Balbo Monument…

    …From Chicago they flew to New York City with an escort of 36 U.S. airplanes. New York gave a warm welcome to the pilots on Broadway (Manhattan). Millions of people watched the parade…

    …During Balbo’s stay in the United States, President Franklin Roosevelt invited him to lunch and presented him with the Distinguished Flying Cross… The Sioux even honorarily adopted Balbo as “Chief Flying Eagle”…

    …Balbo received a warm welcome in the United States, especially by the large Italian-American populations in Chicago and New York City. To a cheering mass in Madison Square Garden he said: “Be proud you are Italians. Mussolini has ended the era of humiliations.”…”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There is, or was a Balbo Blvd. in Chicago's Grant Park named after the Fascist aviator whose planes made a big splash at the Chicago's World's Fair in 1933(?). I used to park on it when going to the Art Institute.

  32. @anonymous
    "Mussolini was idolized by a lot of Italian Americans in the 1930s. He even dedicated a statue in Chicago."

    There was a short time when Italian trans-Atlantic sea-planes ruled!

    Savoia-Marchetti_S.55.

    Italo Balbo, Aviator:


    "...From 1 July to 12 August 1933, twenty-four seaplanes flew round-trip from Rome to the Century of Progress in Chicago, Illinois. The flight had eight legs: Orbetello – Amsterdam – Derry – Reykjavík – Cartwright, Labrador – Shediac – Montreal ending on Lake Michigan near Burnham Park and New York City. In honor of this feat, Mussolini donated a column from Ostia to the city of Chicago: the Balbo Monument...

    ...From Chicago they flew to New York City with an escort of 36 U.S. airplanes. New York gave a warm welcome to the pilots on Broadway (Manhattan). Millions of people watched the parade...

    ...During Balbo's stay in the United States, President Franklin Roosevelt invited him to lunch and presented him with the Distinguished Flying Cross... The Sioux even honorarily adopted Balbo as "Chief Flying Eagle"...

    ...Balbo received a warm welcome in the United States, especially by the large Italian-American populations in Chicago and New York City. To a cheering mass in Madison Square Garden he said: "Be proud you are Italians. Mussolini has ended the era of humiliations."..."

     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    There is, or was a Balbo Blvd. in Chicago’s Grant Park named after the Fascist aviator whose planes made a big splash at the Chicago’s World’s Fair in 1933(?). I used to park on it when going to the Art Institute.

  33. @WowJustWow
    @Reg Cæsar

    All foreigners are just Americans in waiting, including Ernesto Zedillo and Vladimir Putin. It would be xenophobic and racist to criticize them for trying to influence our politics just because they haven't gotten their papers in order yet.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    And what even is all this talk about papers?
    That’s not who we are, etc.

  34. @Tiny Duck
    Uhh not analogous because democrats use foreign Americans to get good things and promote diversity and love



    Conservatives use foreign nationalists to pursue white supremacy

    Leonard Pitts nails it as usual

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article193285194.html

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Lemurmaniac, @MBlanc46

    Tiny Duck is an ur-troll.

  35. @Jefferson
    This Left Wing article talks about how if it wasn't for immigration Donald Trump would not have a cabinet because all members of his cabinet descend from immigrants.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/18/donald-trump-immigration-chain-migration-dan-scavino-tomi-lahren-216332

    But The Donald's cabinet all descend from the same continent that Norwegians come from which is Europe, none of them descend from El Salvadorians or Haitians.

    This article is an epic fail in trying to convince people that mass immigration is good no matter where the immigrants come from.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @guest, @Twodees Partain

    They might as well write an article titled: “Hey, Did You Know Trump’s Name is Actually Drumpf?”

  36. @istevefan

    It's Not "Foreign Meddling" When the Democrats Win
     
    It's not seen as foreign meddling when the foreign entity has enough of its ethnics in the USA that they aren't really seen as foreign. I imagine the Mexican-American Antonio Villaraigosa and his Cali cohorts looked upon Mexico and then President Ernesto Zedillo as amigos. It's probably the same way Anglicized European Americans look upon the UK and PM Thatcher, Blair, etc. Or how Bret Stephens looks upon Israel and PM Netanyahu.

    Russia is a problem because there really isn't a whole lot of ethnic Russians in the US.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @SFG, @guest

    “Russia is a problem because…”

    They’re outside the NWO and a potential threat to world bankster domination.

    Oh, and they’re white and largely Christian.

  37. @nebulafox
    @istevefan

    If you count Russian Jews in places like Brighton Beach there are a fair amount. In the USSR, assimilation and intermarriage was very common, so many identify as Russian, much as pre-1933 German Jews identified as wholly German. Sergei Brin grew up speaking fluent Russian, not Hebrew or Yiddish. (It isn't limited to the US: to this day, Israel is the largest Russophonic nation outside the former USSR, and Israel's got a bit of a problem with Russian organized crime.)

    Though I do agree they don't have anywhere near the heft of Salvadorans or Mexicans or Chinese. I don't think the often highly un-PC right-wing beliefs-to the extent that would make Pat Buchanan blush-commonly held by migrants from the former USSR who, after all, are largely white, help matters.

    Replies: @SFG, @guest

    “If you count Russian Jews…”

    We don’t.

  38. @Stan Adams
    A few more letters to the editor:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/08/opinion/op-63895

    What am I missing here? Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa thanks Mexico's President Ernesto Zedillo for helping kill Proposition 187, which denied benefits to Mexicans who broke our laws to live in California illegally. This measure was passed in 1994 by 60% of California's voters. Real citizens.

    We know who Zedillo works for. But who does Villaraigosa work for? Certainly not the bona fide residents of California who pay his salary. Isn't there anybody else out there who finds it scary to lose his or her vote?
     

    When I opened the paper Wednesday morning, I could not believe what I saw and read. The world must have turned upside down. How can an elected speaker of the California Assembly applaud the president of a foreign country for meddling in our politics and thwarting the will of the people of California? The very same people whom he represents and whose interests he is supposed to protect as speaker of the Assembly.

    What he did is absurd, contrary to all reason or common sense. To whom does he owe allegiance? We need to ask him where his loyalty lies--with the Mexican people or the people of California?

    I don't know what drove him to do what he did--stupidity, naivete, ignorance or arrogance.
     

    Zedillo has no more business interfering with California proposition outcomes than the Chinese army does in trying to influence our national elections. He should be paying attention to his own problems in Mexico and Villaraigosa should be paying attention to the problems of California.
     

    When Villaraigosa runs for mayor of Los Angeles will it be on the Democratic or the PRI ticket?
     
    Coincidentally, on Aug. 4, 1999, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts' ban on gays was illegal. The case went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in favor of the Scouts. This was but a minor ripple in the (sewage) flow of history leading to the gay-marriage brouhaha to come.

    Replies: @guest

    How long until history flows into my disallow men access to my bed being discriminatory (in the bad sense)? Or is history pretty much done with homos, having moved onto trannies and eventually kiddie-rapers and incest?

  39. The Steele dossier was written an ex- MI6 intelligence officer, yet nobody questions whether or not his motivations were to benefit the UK (and NATO) or the US. One could easily imagine Trump’s threat to exit NATO, and his trading policy were deeply against the British & European interests. So it made sense for them to try and handicap Trump.

    Imagine if Kuznetsov memo from an ex KGB spy suggested that Hillary gang banged a bunch of Haitian dudes in 2009 and was peed on by them? Most elites would raise questions of “Russian interference” immediately. And yet, when foreigners help Democrats its kosher.

  40. A brief refresher for those who might have forgotten/not known the sordid history of Proposition 187-
    The measure handily passed with nearly 60% of the vote in 1994 and would’ve bared illegal immigrants from non-emergency gov’t benefits and public schooling. But within days of its passage foreign-born attorney Peter Schey (the self-described son a Jewish communist) had a Jimmy Carter appointed judge named Marianna Pflaezer issue an “injunction” against its implementation. She then purposely kept the measure bogged-down in her court as a delaying tactic so the measure couldn’t work its way up to the Sup. Court where there was a good chance it would’ve been upheld on appeal. In 1999 newly minted Dem. Gov. Grey Davis then colluded with the president of Mexico to have the measure dismantled behind closed doors to ensure it’d never see the light of day again. Thus a small cadre of unsavory characters were allowed to wreck one the largest states in the Union against the expressed will of a clear majority of its citizenry. Revolutions have been staged over smaller matters. Pflaezer died a few years ago but individuals like Davis and Schey still roam the streets as free men.

    As Ann Coulter has repeatedly pointed out what has occurred in CA politically, demographically, culturally and economically is now being attempted on the rest of the country. And not surprisingly just like in CA the fanatical Left’s prime tactic is to use the extra-democratic measure of random judges to impose their will on immigration- Tyrannical “Judges” by the names of Watson, Robards, Alsup are trying to Californicate the rest of America, and we better hope the old saying “as CA goes, so goes the nation” ultimately doesn’t prevail is this case.

  41. @Anonymous
    @Sunbeam

    Daresay 'tis the virtue of having Illinois and New Jersey to point to. Look at all the cover they provide for fiscal legerdemain on the part of democrats everywhere--and many republicans too, tbh.

    Someone please please explain how Florida could have topped this list?

    https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cynthia curran

    Yes, and Arizona is now doing better than Florida and Texas in some ways. I recently saw a study that put Miami, Dallas, and Houston in the unaffordable top 20 metro areas for housing. Last year, Florida barely could more domestic migration than international and Texas got more international than domestic. Arizona which the past few years has finally come out of the recession is now getting more domestic than international. Remember, Arizona was the first state to passed e-verify. I bet in a few years Arizona is not in the bottom but moves up as it gets native born citizens and the greater Phoenix area is now taking some tech away from Austin Texas because of driveless cars.

  42. @Jefferson
    This Left Wing article talks about how if it wasn't for immigration Donald Trump would not have a cabinet because all members of his cabinet descend from immigrants.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/18/donald-trump-immigration-chain-migration-dan-scavino-tomi-lahren-216332

    But The Donald's cabinet all descend from the same continent that Norwegians come from which is Europe, none of them descend from El Salvadorians or Haitians.

    This article is an epic fail in trying to convince people that mass immigration is good no matter where the immigrants come from.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @guest, @Twodees Partain

    Jeff, that’s Salvadorans. You wouldn’t call Irish people Irelandians, would you?

  43. @JollyOldSoul
    “As leader of the state Assembly, I say President Zedillo had great impact in defeating Proposition 187,” Villaraigosa said...

    Which "defeat" of Prop 187 was this? I'm aware of only one vote on Prop 187. It won with 58.93% of the vote, in an off-year election where turnout was (what to me seems a pretty damn high rate of) over 60%. FOregon meddling in overturning the will of an overhwhelming majority of the voters is totally legitimate, right?

    Replies: @Alden

    It wasn’t foreigners that overturned prop 187. It was one, just one, liberal feminazi judge, Marian Pfaelzer

    One judge overturned a law passed by millions of voters.

    All in accordance with our constitution exactly as our founders intended, judicial supremacy over the legislative and executive branches.

  44. @Tiny Duck
    Uhh not analogous because democrats use foreign Americans to get good things and promote diversity and love



    Conservatives use foreign nationalists to pursue white supremacy

    Leonard Pitts nails it as usual

    http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article193285194.html

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Lemurmaniac, @MBlanc46

    Leonard Pitts. Cry me a river.

  45. @nebulafox
    @SFG

    Funny story: Mussolini was idolized by a lot of Italian Americans in the 1930s. He even dedicated a statue in Chicago.

    As for the Chinese, yes, but that said, it does depend on the kind of Chinese-American. Most Taiwanese immigrants and their kids have few illusions about the CCP, and the descendants of the Cantonese who came over in the 1800s have about as much of a connection to China as most German-Americans do to Germany or African-Americans do to Africa, pretentions of prominent intellectuals aside. This isn't helped by the fact that America's stock as a "model" has gone down. In the 1990s, everybody who was young and upcoming in China wanted to imitate the US. Now, not so much. Partially, this has to do with the astounding economic success of China in the past quarter century, but a lot of that has to do with what we did in Russia and Iraq and Syria and Libya, to be honest. (CCP: "See, that's what happens when they say they want to spread freedom and democracy. Do you want to be like 90s Russia?") I don't think having screaming cultural Bolsheviks running amok helps matters, given the memory of the Cultural Revolution in China.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    The Dems are now clamoring to have the statue of Italo Balbo removed, because, you know, fascism.

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