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From Haaretz:
‘He’s a Goy From Kenya’: Israeli Officials Defend Deportation of Jewish Convert From Africa
Responding to accusations of racism, senior Interior Ministry official asks lawmakers, ‘Do you want half of Africa coming here?’
Judy Maltz Jan 03, 2018 2:20 PM
Opposition lawmakers on Wednesday accused the Interior Ministry of outright racism and discrimination against black Jews, citing the recent case of an African convert who was deported hours after landing in Israel, even though he had a valid visa.
Here’s Yehuda blowing the shofar with his little son looking on.
By the way, a lot of Kenya is pretty nice due to altitude. Looks like plenty of rainfall, and both father and son are wearing quilted jackets, so this must be at a considerable elevation.
Kenyan citizen Yehuda Kimani, 31, had obtained permission from the Israeli ambassador in Nairobi to study at a yeshiva run by the Conservative movement in Jerusalem. But after being detained at the airport, he was not allowed to call his sponsors in Israel. …
Responding to the allegations, the director of the ministry’s Population Registry and Status Department, Amos Arbel, denied that different criteria are applied to visa applicants based on their country of origin. However, he also asked his detractors: “Do you want half of Africa coming here?”
Half of Africa is rapidly becoming a large number:
Arbel said that as far as the ministry was concerned, Kimani was not Jewish: “Sorry to say this, but for us he is a goy from Kenya.” …
They explained that in the case of non-degree-conferring institutions of higher education, such as yeshivas, the ministry only approves student visas for applicants recognized as Jewish. To date, Israel has yet to recognize the Abayudaya – the community to which Kimani belongs and which is based in Uganda – as Jewish. They are, however, recognized as Jewish by the Jewish Agency.
Kimani’s conversion to Judaism in 2010 was overseen by the rabbi from the Abayudaya community in Uganda.
The Abayudaya community split from Christianity in the early 20th century when its members began identifying as Jews and observing Jewish laws and customs. The community numbers somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 members. …
Saying he preferred to avoid the term “racism,” Jewish Agency Deputy Chairman David Breakstone warned: “I suspect our enemies will latch onto this to call us racists, and Kimani will become the poster boy for the BDS [Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions] movement and for those who call Israel an apartheid state.”
On the other hand, do you want half of Africa coming there?
I thought, though, that Judaism had a pretty good method for discouraging all but the most pious adult male converts? I wouldn’t want to be the guy at the airport assigned to check, however.
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His real problem. Do you know who controls Israel’s Ministry of the Interior?
How can there even be “black Jews”?
Isn’t that “lack of truth in advertising”?
I don’t care Mr Breakstone. BDS is a good idea due to the very unsolved Palestinian problem, not due to Blacks being admitted to Israel or not.
The correct approach is what Steve has been doing. Highlight the contradiction between Jewish behavior in Israel and here, with an eye to shaming the more manly, naturally conservative Jewish guys to think about being patriots, team-players and defenders for the American side as well. And to encourage them to think more rationally--less Ellis Island schmaltz--about whether mass non-white immigration is really "good for the Jews". And then encourage them to push their ethnic kin toward those "fair play" and "home team America" sentiments, instead of their reflex ethnic resentments.
Unless you've got a great plan to herd them all into camps for deportation, we need to actually convert a significant tranche of American Jews to believing and saying things akin to what Netanyahu is saying--but about this nation's borders.Replies: @Dmitry
Israel is a Jewish, Semitic country; just as America is a white Christian country. To allow anything less is to give the Muslims and Blacks free reign to destroy Western civilization. Both refugee groups should be expelled from America and Israel.
The entire BDS movement is supported by idiotic college students who don't even know what is at stake.Replies: @J.Ross
Oh, you’ve got that right, Mr. Breakstone.
Although I’ll certainly have a bit of fun with this, I actually wish you will in your efforts. I’d be the first to pop the champagne if the Arabs took out Israel, but I refuse to play this game of “negrify thy neighbor” – a game we’ll all lose. Illegal Africans out!
I must say, though, it would nice if your brethren would reciprocate the goodwill.
Thanks for redpilling us on this, goy.
That’s ideal job for fat, ugly women. Congratulations Steve, you just found honest, truly useful employment opportunity for feminists.
It was a hard decision for anyone to have made but the reality is that Israel already has a very irritating “African problem” – mainly in the poorest area of Tel Aviv – which dates from the years and months before the security barrier was completed.
He’s not Jewish and if allowed in you would have many Africans attempting the same ruse. Tge Israeli official did the right thing. Look folks on here get mad at Jews for being liberal on immigration here but not in Israel. It’s not their fault if American leaders are too timid to speak forthright on these issues and Israeli leaders have no such problem. You have to be able to ignore the media, human rights groups and just plow ahead.
Seems that there needs to be a shift in thinking, a shift that acknowledges that "racism" and "apartheid" are rational conclusions in some situations.
One tactic here for Israel et al is to have a policy where every immigrant must be matched by an emigrant. If someone from Kenya wants to immigrate to country X, there must be an extant citizen of country X that emigrates to Kenya. This would begin to acknowledge that countries can be "full" of citizens; that we can't grow to infinity. Too many look upon countries as large box stores: the more people that come through the door, the better. But large box stores can certainly become overcrowded. Time to start taking a number.Replies: @International Jew
That being said, I refuse to lump whites with all of the other loser victim groups. We have agency. Jews are smart and control a huge portion of the commanding heights of society, but if non-Jewish whites didn't want this to happen, we would have stopped it. Returning to the con man analogy, you can't con an honest man. A large portion of whites get something out of all of this, whether that be more power, good feelings, whatever, or it would have been stopped.
Reminds me of something the famous trend following investor Ed Sekota said about about investors: "Win or lose, everybody gets what they want out of the market. Some people seem to like to lose, so they win by losing money."
At the moment, whites seem to like to lose, so we're winning by losing. How long that will last, no one can say. Trends last until they don't.Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous
And just what (((group))) is notably over-represented in terms of ownership of our immigrant-idolizing media, Ed?
Zionists are so far past liberal on immigration here, they couldn't get a bus back to liberal on immigration for everyone but Israel.Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Dmitry
Again this stuff is the stuff of analysis and argument. People interested in these questions pretty much immediately find that there's an over-the-top Jewish skew to the media/academic/financial people and organizations specifically opposing rational immigration policy (rational for American citizens) and nationalism in general. They--quite rationally--call this out. When Israel's policies--generally unapologetically ethno-nationalist--are brought up, it's logical to highlight the contradiction: nationalism for thee, but not for me, huh?Replies: @Currahee, @International Jew
Do you not have access to coffee where you are? We just had a multi-thread discussion about this. See this, everyone -- here is JIDF after a three-day fast, with zero caffeine in his system.
He was going to Israel to study at a Conservative yeshiva. The Conservative movement is heterodox. If you convert under its auspices, you are indeed still a goy.
Black Jews — two great tastes that taste great together!
This is One Million Dollar question. The people, everywhere, do not. Their leaders, in too many places, do.
If the people’s preference is maintained, good. If the leaders’ preference is enacted, it’s irreversible. It’s over.
There is a significant number (several thousand) of “black Israelites” who have their own community right next to the Hasidics in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. If you visit NYC, might see their table set up in Times Square preaching and begging . One was the owner of a local liquor store who was murdered a few year back. Champion boxer Zab Judah and his family were or are prominent members.
Off topic:
From the talented sportwriters/sports industry analysts at The Nation:
The NFL Chose to Tank Its Season Rather Than Sign Colin Kaepernick
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-nfl-chose-to-tank-its-season-rather-than-sign-colin-kaepernick/
Colin Kaepernick is a team-saving, one-in-a-generation talent:
Despite this, suicidal coaches and team owners refused to sign him, thus dooming their businesses to ruin.
Colin will get his revenge when his lawsuit goes to trial, but can the fans, the teams, and the league ever recover from a Colin-free season?
Then they shouldn’t have issued the visa. Issuing a visa then refusing to let the visa holder in because he’s not a Chosen One is absolutely indefensible. Unlike many Hebrews and apparently you, I value honor, which requires honoring your end of an agreement. The Kenyan guy did nothing dishonest.
The refugees from South Sudan are extremely criminally prone as seen also with the wave accepted to Australia. However, Israelis should be open minded to taking in Jewish converts from Ethiopia. They can become integrated into Israeli Jewish society, populate the settlements, and provide infantry.
Brass tacks: Jewish is not about a religion but an ethnicity, with an ethno-religion doing boundary policing. If you mess up the ethnic angle--and importing in Africans is *really* messing it up--what's the point?Replies: @Anonymous
Apparently, the EU, The Economist, Soros etc etc, basically the people who own, run, rule and control the western world *DO*.
And they’ll call you stupid if you dare disagree with them.
Agree.
This spokesman is immediately aware of the optics. He also fully realizes that Israel has enemies, as opposed to US spokespeople who assume that everyone loves us since we are giving our country away in a vain effort to buy friends.
Seems that there needs to be a shift in thinking, a shift that acknowledges that “racism” and “apartheid” are rational conclusions in some situations.
One tactic here for Israel et al is to have a policy where every immigrant must be matched by an emigrant. If someone from Kenya wants to immigrate to country X, there must be an extant citizen of country X that emigrates to Kenya. This would begin to acknowledge that countries can be “full” of citizens; that we can’t grow to infinity. Too many look upon countries as large box stores: the more people that come through the door, the better. But large box stores can certainly become overcrowded. Time to start taking a number.
Ha, ha! Israel is the most racist country I’ve ever visited. If you ever engage Israeli friends in private conversation, they are pretty open about it. Many fled South Africa after the end of apartheid because they didn’t want to live in a black controlled country. Heck, they have a hierarchy of discrimination between Jews themselves.
I thought, though, that Judaism had a pretty good method for discouraging all but the most pious adult male converts?
No different than Islam, and they circumcise males much later in life anyway.
If this pretty good method for discouraging conversion to Judaism is circumcision, how does it discourage women converts? Or does Judaism has its own form of FGM?
My (very) lapsed-Catholic grandfather got himself circumcised in maybe his fifties, for medical reasons.
While squeamishness on the matter is certainly understandable and I suppose normal, circumcision doesn’t strike me as all that big a deal as body modifications go. Beats hell out of cleaving one’s tongue, for example–not that I’d want to do that.
African asylum seekers injured in Tel Aviv race riots
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/24/tel-aviv-protest-violence-immigration
Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#1230fe8d67b8
A few things to know, in no particular order:
1) Haaretz has devolved from a paper of record in the olden days to an SJW clickbait (and the paper version of clickbait) rag, supported solely by infusions of cash from European NGOs. It is similar to the trajectory of The Guardian, but worse. Don’t trust what they report to be 100% accurate, necessarily.
2) There is a complicated status quo in Israel between competing definitions of being Jewish. The Jewish Agency which is in charge of permanent immigration has an ethnic definition and considers anyone with one Jewish grandparent to be Jewish, hence the immigration of nominally Christian people from Ukraine. They also allow various minor ethnic groups who have just decided they are Jewish to immigrate, such as some Himalayan hill tribes from Eastern India.
3) However this person was not an immigrant. He was apparently trying to get a student visa, which put him at the mercy of a different office which adheres to a religious definition. The Conservative Movement is not recognized in Israel as valid for performing conversions to Judaism, so he’s SOL for a student visa. Ironically, if he tried to just immigrate, he would probably get in.
4) It appears as though this person did have a legitimate claim to enter, but as the minister said all of Africa would like to be in Israel given the chance, so there has to be some vetting somehow.
5) This will be spun as racist by those who don’t like Israel, but anything that happens in Israel is spun as racist by those people, so who cares. I am reminded again of how Mondoweiss (proudly linked on this site’s blogroll) declared Israel racist because there have been no rapes of Arab women by Israeli soldiers.
Wasn’t there a Die Antwoord song about forced male genital mutilation? Seems like genital modification overall is a very African activity.
Hey, it’s part of the job description of a TSA agent as it is already. Some people don’t mind at all, in fact.
OK, nobody wants to hear about “muh freedoms”, right?
That stuff not withstanding, I’m in total agreement with the post, and “heh!” to the last paragraph.
>Do you want half of Africa coming here?
No, they want half to come to America and half to come to Europe. Simple, right?
As we watch South Africa, the number one destination for most Africans looking for a better life, sink into the mire of traditional African politics and corruption as usual and nation and economy destruction, this is a question everyone north of the Sahara needs to seriously ask themselves.
Looks like a plan. You were born in a lousy African nation, you convert, then immigrate to your ancient homeland of Israel. As far as I know Kenya is one of the better, saner African nations. They love grilled goat there and eat so much of it that the men get a rich man’s disease called gout. U cn lk t up!
Baby Boomer Traitors Bill Clinton And George W Bush Ramped Up Immigration From Africa And Middle East
Demography Is Destiny, Go To Detroit And Africa To See Demography In Action
Sub-Saharan Africa And Detroit Are One And The Same
Sub-Saharan African Negroids Replicate Their Low IQ Culture Wherever They Are
The Issue In Baltimore Is The Same As Detroit Is The Same As Newark Is The Same As Sub-Saharan Africa
EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU ABOUT RACE IS A LIE!
Of course if we don’t accept him in the US we are Nazis because Jews were once refugees too
Will Africa’s Northern Sea be The Mediterranean Or The Baltic?
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING EUROPE
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING THE UNITED STATES
True. But it is their fault for trying to trick non-Jewish whites in the first place as part of a strategy to weaken non-Jewish whites (presumably to prevent future coordinated attacks against Jews). Just because a con man finds an easy mark doesn’t make it any less of a crime.
That being said, I refuse to lump whites with all of the other loser victim groups. We have agency. Jews are smart and control a huge portion of the commanding heights of society, but if non-Jewish whites didn’t want this to happen, we would have stopped it. Returning to the con man analogy, you can’t con an honest man. A large portion of whites get something out of all of this, whether that be more power, good feelings, whatever, or it would have been stopped.
Reminds me of something the famous trend following investor Ed Sekota said about about investors: “Win or lose, everybody gets what they want out of the market. Some people seem to like to lose, so they win by losing money.”
At the moment, whites seem to like to lose, so we’re winning by losing. How long that will last, no one can say. Trends last until they don’t.
The phrase "You can't con an honest man" is frequently used by con men themselves, in order to convince overly trusting people who have a few concerns about the con that is being used on them. (I am not saying that this is you btw, I am taking issue with the phrase.)
Numerous examples here:
http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/21074-You-CANNOT-con-an-honest-man-really
For example, selling a $6k water softener worth $600 to an honest pensioner. Asking to give money on the basis of false medical or other problems. Decisions made by honest people when under the influence of alcohol.
I think it's hard to con a well-read, worldly, naturally distrusting, fairly realistic and intelligent tightwad. It can still happen but the scale will be limited.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
In 2015, a person who I presume is Black, suggested on Twitter that IQ is irrelevant in any discussion of Africa.
It is now 2018, and the Black person was wrong then and he is wrong now.
Scene from the Coen brothers’ The Ladykillers:
http://www.ifcj.org/learn/quiz/shofar-quiz/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=quiz&utm_content=shofar-2017
Israel has one of the world’s highest life expectancues, nice beaches, good food, safe streets, half the crime rate of the US, free medical care, and you can reach it by foot from Africa.
The whole population of Africa will flood the country, if they have any chance, as there are no countries with comparable living standards in the whole continent.
The conversion to Judaism in order for illegal immigrants to become naturalized citizens in Israel was already a popular thing to try a few years ago. As a result of this behavior, conversions to Judaism in Israel are not valid for immigration purposes, which is unfortunate for the few people who might have legitimately wanted to convert in Israel.
But birth-right citizenship is a perfectly acceptable ruse for gaining American citizenship. So sayeth liberals and neo-cons.
An over-simplification, my friend. Ask any Russian in Israel. And there's plenty of those.
If the "weight of the evidence" is that you want to immigrate to Israel for non-economic reasons, then almopst always you will at least be allowed to have multiple renewals of a Temporary Residency.
After that, just marry a local-yokal, or put your existing kid into a local Public school. And maintain a clean police record.
Example: almost none of the Filipino over-stayers actually get deported, or even hassled. And there's plenty of those.
But there's a world of difference between a Filipina who is working off the books - and an African Male.
Ask any cop in Tel Aviv.Replies: @Dmitry
2014 Twitter:
Look At A Globe; Compare The Size Of Europe With Africa — Asia — South America. Understand That Controlled Immigration Is A Must.
Half of Africa going to Israel is a bit of hyperbole. The whole country would easily fit into NY State’s borders and probably only occupy one quarter of the state. Israel is the country with the small penis complex.
Bangladesh is the size of Wisconsin, and about 1/3 of it is perilously close to sea level, yet Bangladesh's population is close to 140 million. If Israel were not vigilant, easily 50 million Africans would make their way there. I just wish American Jews would stop casting the racist accusation against their fellow Americans for doing what they applaud the Israeli government for doing, but that seems like a hopeless wish.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
“I thought, though, that Judaism had a pretty good method for discouraging all but the most pious adult male converts?”
Speaking of circumcision, I was told once that if a man who was circumcised at birth wants to convert to Islam and maybe Judaism as an adult the rabbi or imam will make him undergo “symbolic circumcision”. He will use a needle prick to draw a drop of blood from his member. Does anyone know if this is true? Or just some “just so story” that was floating around the internet after 9-11?
Unfortunately, when it comes to Israel, due to the complicated power-sharing status quo agreement, the Ultra-Orthodox rabbinate controls some of the levers of immigration, so if you would like to immigrate to Israel as a convert to Judaism you will need the pinprick. Ironically, if you want to immigrate to Israel not as a convert to Judaism but because you can show that one of your grandparents was a Jew, then you can have the foreskinniest wang in the world and it's no problem.
I Am An Isolationist In This; Sub-Saharan Africa Must Be Isolated From The Rest Of World.
Take The Resources, Leave The Africans. The Chinese and Russians Will Go Along With This.
The American Empire Will Begin Isolating Certain Areas Of The Globe. Sub-Saharan Africa Must Be Quarantined For Safety Reasons.
Neil Simon should write a play about contemporary Israel: Don’t Come Blow Your Horn.
For journalists that are so outraged by these kinds of stories, maybe you would do better to report on the actual political corruption and instability in Africa, which is hampering development, and providing a motive for mass emigration, rather than using as some kind of political point scoring people’s natural reactions to being flooded with new arrivals.
The problem is that this would require real journalism, on the ground, in countries which (unlike Israel) might be unsafe for journalists to report from. That is, it would take some real bravery and actual work.
As everywhere, the main barriers to economic development in Africa are likely government corruption, and lack of political institutions and property rights. There must be thousands of untold stories – but those of us outside Africa, get very little reporting on the actual problems there. (Although it is interesting to see wealthy areas of London or Switzerland, the children of African elite living a luxurious life – I guess their equivalent to New Russians.)
As far as I know, East Africans (with the possible exception of the Nilotics: Lwoo, Massai, etc.) circumcise anyway, regardless of religion.
I’m sad that we can’t choose who an American is.
If it’s unethical to verify an immigrant’s age from dental records, so is this.
Plus, the hourly wage would be low, and blacks are notorious for being bad tippers.
In this context, is a bad tip the result of a botched bris?
I agree completely. And when our “media and human rights groups” return to their homeland you have our permission to “reeducate” them as you see fit. It will be better for everyone.
I do not consider myself your enemy, Mr. Breakstone, nor do I condemn the decision, but the incident, and the contrast with attitudes towards parallel situations in other countries, is worthy of notice.
Please continue to discuss amongst yourselves.
It’s really the same problem as affirmative action. If black people are given special advantages and anyone can self-identify as black, then what’s to stop a white person from abusively claiming to be black in order to game the system?
As Steve pointed out a year or two ago, in every institution, there is someone, somewhere who will eventually look at the person and say “You is not black!” and that’s that.
So too with Israel. Even the low level border and security people know who is actually Jewish and who is just pretending. If you are not Jewish, you will be treated accordingly and your protestations will get you nowhere.
Note that a Conservative yeshiva invited the African to live and study in Israel. Conservative Jews sponsored him and he was prevented from calling those same Conservative Jews.
The barely concealed subtext of this event is the power struggle between Conservative [and Reform] Jews and the ruling Orthodox Jews. Can the Orthodox be forced to share power with Conservative and Reform Jews in Israel? For Israel’s survival, I hope not.
The Conservative sect embraces a peculiar –almost suicidal — belief in Open Borders. In a recent official statement they elevated Open Borders to the central tenet of their sect. As their leaders in the US have declared:
No different than Islam, and they circumcise males much later in life anyway.Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Twodees Partain
“I thought, though, that Judaism had a pretty good method for discouraging all but the most pious adult male converts?”
If this pretty good method for discouraging conversion to Judaism is circumcision, how does it discourage women converts? Or does Judaism has its own form of FGM?
Israel is the closest non-basket-case country to Africa and the first one encountered on a land journey out. Their fears are grounded.
Actually, the real question he should have asked his detractors is, “Do you want one-half of one percent of Africa coming here?” Because that is roughly what it would take to make Israel an African majority nation. Of course probably half of that percentage would cause Israel to become a shithole. So maybe he should have asked his detractors, “Do you want one-quarter of one percent of Africa coming here?”
Shouldn’t what’s good enough for Israel be good enough for the U. S.?
On a related matter.
The Grauniad had a piece entitled
“Surprise as DNA reveals new group of Native Americans”
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/03/ancient-dna-reveals-previously-unknown-group-of-native-americans-ancient-beringians
So I drop a little note : ” Ah, the Native Americans we hear so much of. I’ve never heard mention of Native Europeans. Funny Dat.”
Sure enough, within ten minutes
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The Fascism really is strong in these whack jobs.
It’s as if they are having a contest to see which group of them will be first against the wall when The Day cometh.
Stupid goyim. Of course different rules apply to “God’s Chosen People. ”
“You have to be able to ignore the media, human rights groups and just plow ahead.”
And just what (((group))) is notably over-represented in terms of ownership of our immigrant-idolizing media, Ed?
Perfectly sensible and in another time a non-news story. The point is the other Jews — many of whom are Israeli or dual citizens — aggressively demanding that the US not have any kind of borders, sovereignty, wall or immigration policy, while taking for granted that Israel can enjoy all those things.
Has any major figure from the establishment capitalist traitor pro immigration side ever given a straight answer to the simple question: “How many immigrants should the USA allow each year”?
Does anyone push them on this to try to nail it down?
One thing I read about negotiation is that you are better off being the first person to say a number. Once the number exists, the debate is a reaction to that number.
Right now, probably next to nobody knows the annual number. I think most people would be shocked to learn that it’s almost 1.5 million foreign born individuals moving into the United States each year.
I think zero or a negative number is reasonable, as I’m sure most people here do. But I think if we say 150,000 that sounds pretty high to an average normie/borderline cuck. And then make the other side give a number and make them defend it. If we say 150k and they say 2 million, they sound nuts. And if we settled at 500k, that’s way more than half which is a pretty good start.
Even if my strategy is wrong, I still think it’s worthwhile to try to get the pro immigration traitors to say how many immigrants they want. This numbers stuff is only about legal immigration, on illegal immigration there are no reliable numbers anyway and zero illegal immigration is perfectly normal and defensible.
Also no one is taking into consideration the future workforce needed as automation replaces humans with robotic workers.150K is about what we took annually from 1924 until the Immigration Act of 1965 came along. 150K would actually have some historical precendent
If you want to use numbers in your argument, go to NumbersUSA. They specialize in reducing immigration to a numbers argument to eliminate any racist overtones that often result when dealing with this topic.
Check out their famous gumball video that graphically illustrates the effects of mass immigration on our population.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
It's like the 11,000,000 illegal immigrant number, not in terms of truth vs. lies, as I would bet we have 25-40 million illegals. It's just that they keep spouting out that number, so it gets said by everyone, even lots of those whose job it's supposed to be to really know this stuff.
The DACAs and oligarchs and Ellis Island cult need to be drilled at every press conference or interview or town hall:
Is this what we want?
Do most Americans want a nation as full as China or India?Replies: @J.Ross
Having an analytical bent, i'd like to think that the zero immigration case is pretty easy to make. In terms of just basic math/logic immigration, once our tribe (Euro whites) had stolen the country from the natives and filled it up, basically makes no sense. Continuing immigration now is either a) population replacement (your line dies and is replaced) or b) filling the nation up to the point that it's so darn crowded and unpleasant that no one else wants to come.
The only immigration one would logically want would be very highly capable people, who are a good ethno-cultural fit and will (and you'd want them to) assimilate and inter-breed with your native population. Anyone else--endogamous tribes, mass numbers from any place who will form an ethnic enclave/block--is bad news. And folks who are low IQ who'll be a subpar contributors and drag down your genetics or are from hostile tribes--taking those folks is just insane.
So being logically oriented i'd tend to make the case for zero immigration.
But i think, you're strategy is probably the better one. Pick a number--i'd say 100K explicitly of the most highly talented folks we could get, who are ready to specifically abjure allegiance to their homelands and swear their allegiance to America and their loyalty to their fellow Americans. Then the loons have to pick a number and defend it.
Of course, it's worse than that now. They don't even want to pick a big number--a number is a limit and limits are racist. What they say now basically boils down to the principal of open immigration. But yeah, we need to make all this explicit. Force them to say the insane, nasty nonsense that they actually believe--again and again and again.
OT
Heard yesterday on the telecast of the “World’s Strongest Men” – ‘that stone is heavy, very heavy. How heavy? It weighs 2.3 Donald Trumps.’
So our President has become the universal benchmark that everyone everywhere measures everything against.
Here prize-winning French author Renaud Camus gives a stirring speech at Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, the home and burial place of Charles de Gaulle. He calls for resistance to the Great Replacement, islamisation and the African Conquest.
Most people are so innumerate that they’d say sure, we can handle a quarter of a percent.
No. Not only that but to the best of my knowledge no one has even suggested what our population should be. Many don’t even know what our population is, don’t know where we rank with other nations, and don’t realize the only nations with comparable or higher population levels are generally hell holes.
Also no one is taking into consideration the future workforce needed as automation replaces humans with robotic workers.
150K is about what we took annually from 1924 until the Immigration Act of 1965 came along. 150K would actually have some historical precendent
If you want to use numbers in your argument, go to NumbersUSA. They specialize in reducing immigration to a numbers argument to eliminate any racist overtones that often result when dealing with this topic.
Check out their famous gumball video that graphically illustrates the effects of mass immigration on our population.
As to this part:That's all true, and I'll add one more. Most people have no idea, even the ones that understand that keeping the population reasonable wrt the area of good land is a good idea, that the American population would have been stable long ago if it hadn't been for the 1965 immigration act and our porous southern border.Replies: @istevefan
Well, you know Zionists. With them it’s, “Do as we say, not as we do”. BTW, the Zionists aren’t just “liberal on immigration here”. They are rabidly insistent that the rest of the world allow unfettered immigration of military age muslim men and totally unproductive Africans, while their own sanctuary nation keeps out anyone not born a jew to two jewish parents.
Zionists are so far past liberal on immigration here, they couldn’t get a bus back to liberal on immigration for everyone but Israel.
I think that is a very good idea (especially for a 27-year old). Most people are innumerate as all hell, or at least, they don’t have a handle on big picture numbers. As your 1st replyer, istevefan, said, that number even has a precedent. Keep throwing that number out around and around.
It’s like the 11,000,000 illegal immigrant number, not in terms of truth vs. lies, as I would bet we have 25-40 million illegals. It’s just that they keep spouting out that number, so it gets said by everyone, even lots of those whose job it’s supposed to be to really know this stuff.
Different thread, same non-sequitur. I’ll repeat what i said in the previous thread:
I’m 100% with you, on the “plow ahead”. That’s what nationalists must do. But why is this much more difficult in America than Israel? Why is immigration the issue on which politicians and the elite class is most out of touch with their nominal constituents? Why do we have the leading US environmental organization against immigration restriction? (Unlike the lame/clumsy “sell more toilet paper” economic “case” for immigration, there isn’t even the flimiest case that immigration isn’t environmentally destructive.) Why was able-to-self-finance Trump articulating immigration positions so much closer to Republican constituents than the donor financed competition? Why does any mention of ordinary enforcement or restriction measures engender a avalanch of media abuse?
Again this stuff is the stuff of analysis and argument. People interested in these questions pretty much immediately find that there’s an over-the-top Jewish skew to the media/academic/financial people and organizations specifically opposing rational immigration policy (rational for American citizens) and nationalism in general. They–quite rationally–call this out. When Israel’s policies–generally unapologetically ethno-nationalist–are brought up, it’s logical to highlight the contradiction: nationalism for thee, but not for me, huh?
EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU ABOUT RACE IS A LIE!
Let me quote some of it for you:Replies: @AnotherDad, @dfordoom
Also no one is taking into consideration the future workforce needed as automation replaces humans with robotic workers.150K is about what we took annually from 1924 until the Immigration Act of 1965 came along. 150K would actually have some historical precendent
If you want to use numbers in your argument, go to NumbersUSA. They specialize in reducing immigration to a numbers argument to eliminate any racist overtones that often result when dealing with this topic.
Check out their famous gumball video that graphically illustrates the effects of mass immigration on our population.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Great stuff, istevefan, and I saw the gumball video long, long ago (probably 12 years), though I already had an idea that the current way can’t continue without the loss of our country.
As to this part:
That’s all true, and I’ll add one more. Most people have no idea, even the ones that understand that keeping the population reasonable wrt the area of good land is a good idea, that the American population would have been stable long ago if it hadn’t been for the 1965 immigration act and our porous southern border.
Here's a statistic people should know. In 1940 we had around 140 million people. That allowed us to have around 12 million serve in WW2 and work our factories that churned out uncountable numbers of planes, tanks, ships and munitions. Today our population is over 325 million and climbing. We are number 3 only behind China and India. If we still had our 1940 population numbers, we'd still rank around number 10, trailing only China, India and a who's who list of winners like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Without the 1965 act, our population would probably be around 260 million today which would mean we'd still be in third place.Replies: @L Woods, @Anonymous, @another fred
>it is not the fault of an aggressive, wealthy, ideologically strident Jewish establishment spanning Israel and the US if American election officials are afraid to touch a political third rail
Do you not have access to coffee where you are? We just had a multi-thread discussion about this. See this, everyone — here is JIDF after a three-day fast, with zero caffeine in his system.
No different than Islam, and they circumcise males much later in life anyway.Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Twodees Partain
The Kikuyu circumcise boys (and girls) at puberty, so except for the ceremony involved, circumcision isn’t an obstacle for guys like Kimani. Israelis have to find other obstacles for Kikuyu.
I suggest we follow their lead.
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/633367820974297089
Demography Is Destiny, Go To Detroit And Africa To See Demography In Action
Sub-Saharan Africa And Detroit Are One And The Same
Sub-Saharan African Negroids Replicate Their Low IQ Culture Wherever They Are
The Issue In Baltimore Is The Same As Detroit Is The Same As Newark Is The Same As Sub-Saharan AfricaReplies: @Currahee
Each one teach one:
EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU ABOUT RACE IS A LIE!
So let’s do as they do and not as they say.
As ((Herman Wouk)) said, “Two and two make four even if Hitler says so.”
I remember seeing a population projection 5 or 10 years ago that estimated the US will have a billion people by 2100.
The DACAs and oligarchs and Ellis Island cult need to be drilled at every press conference or interview or town hall:
Is this what we want?
Do most Americans want a nation as full as China or India?
While squeamishness on the matter is certainly understandable and I suppose normal, circumcision doesn't strike me as all that big a deal as body modifications go. Beats hell out of cleaving one's tongue, for example--not that I'd want to do that.Replies: @Twodees Partain
I was born in a Catholic hospital in the ’50s and was circumcised as a part of the postnatal routine. I wonder now what was the reason for that.
Zionists are so far past liberal on immigration here, they couldn't get a bus back to liberal on immigration for everyone but Israel.Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Dmitry
So let’s do as they do and not as they say.
>>The conversion to Judaism in order for illegal immigrants to become naturalized citizens in Israel was already a popular thing to try a few years ago. As a result of this behavior, conversions to Judaism in Israel are not valid for immigration purposes, which is unfortunate for the few people who might have legitimately wanted to convert in Israel.<<
But birth-right citizenship is a perfectly acceptable ruse for gaining American citizenship. So sayeth liberals and neo-cons.
>>Half of Africa going to Israel is a bit of hyperbole. The whole country would easily fit into NY State’s borders and probably only occupy one quarter of the state. Israel is the country with the small penis complex.
Bangladesh is the size of Wisconsin, and about 1/3 of it is perilously close to sea level, yet Bangladesh’s population is close to 140 million. If Israel were not vigilant, easily 50 million Africans would make their way there. I just wish American Jews would stop casting the racist accusation against their fellow Americans for doing what they applaud the Israeli government for doing, but that seems like a hopeless wish.
Again this stuff is the stuff of analysis and argument. People interested in these questions pretty much immediately find that there's an over-the-top Jewish skew to the media/academic/financial people and organizations specifically opposing rational immigration policy (rational for American citizens) and nationalism in general. They--quite rationally--call this out. When Israel's policies--generally unapologetically ethno-nationalist--are brought up, it's logical to highlight the contradiction: nationalism for thee, but not for me, huh?Replies: @Currahee, @International Jew
Each one teach one:
EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU ABOUT RACE IS A LIE!
12 Dmitry > conversions to Judaism in Israel are not valid for immigration purposes, which is unfortunate for the few people who might have legitimately wanted to convert in Israel.
An over-simplification, my friend. Ask any Russian in Israel. And there’s plenty of those.
If the “weight of the evidence” is that you want to immigrate to Israel for non-economic reasons, then almopst always you will at least be allowed to have multiple renewals of a Temporary Residency.
After that, just marry a local-yokal, or put your existing kid into a local Public school. And maintain a clean police record.
Example: almost none of the Filipino over-stayers actually get deported, or even hassled. And there’s plenty of those.
But there’s a world of difference between a Filipina who is working off the books – and an African Male.
Ask any cop in Tel Aviv.
The real reason is the quiet, inevitable, partially passive effort of normalization of Jewish practices, as an effect of having massive overrepresentation. There never was any scientific basis and doctors didn’t necessarily ask parents’ permission or use anaesthetic. Researchers disproving the supposed benefits found it hard to get published or funded.
Circumcision for male babies became standard in the Royal Family as far back as the reign of George I. The practice spread to British aristocrats and then the upper middle-class, becoming common in Britain during the Victorian era. The same was true for the US and Canada.
Rates of circumcision have dropped somewhat in the US and much more so in the UK, Canada, and Australia during the last 40 years.
That wasn't because of Jewish "overrepresentation" in the Anglosphere during the 1700s and its sharp decline during the last forty years.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
The DACAs and oligarchs and Ellis Island cult need to be drilled at every press conference or interview or town hall:
Is this what we want?
Do most Americans want a nation as full as China or India?Replies: @J.Ross
Who is “we”? Given Brazil the Model, a huge population of disposable moronic criminals means easy access to things like organs and slaves, and a thriving consumer economy — all good news for the elite. Non-news to moronic criminals. The only people who don’t like it are in the middle class, who are slated for elimination anyway.
Good observation/argument/comment 27.
Having an analytical bent, i’d like to think that the zero immigration case is pretty easy to make. In terms of just basic math/logic immigration, once our tribe (Euro whites) had stolen the country from the natives and filled it up, basically makes no sense. Continuing immigration now is either a) population replacement (your line dies and is replaced) or b) filling the nation up to the point that it’s so darn crowded and unpleasant that no one else wants to come.
The only immigration one would logically want would be very highly capable people, who are a good ethno-cultural fit and will (and you’d want them to) assimilate and inter-breed with your native population. Anyone else–endogamous tribes, mass numbers from any place who will form an ethnic enclave/block–is bad news. And folks who are low IQ who’ll be a subpar contributors and drag down your genetics or are from hostile tribes–taking those folks is just insane.
So being logically oriented i’d tend to make the case for zero immigration.
But i think, you’re strategy is probably the better one. Pick a number–i’d say 100K explicitly of the most highly talented folks we could get, who are ready to specifically abjure allegiance to their homelands and swear their allegiance to America and their loyalty to their fellow Americans. Then the loons have to pick a number and defend it.
Of course, it’s worse than that now. They don’t even want to pick a big number–a number is a limit and limits are racist. What they say now basically boils down to the principal of open immigration. But yeah, we need to make all this explicit. Force them to say the insane, nasty nonsense that they actually believe–again and again and again.
Seems that there needs to be a shift in thinking, a shift that acknowledges that "racism" and "apartheid" are rational conclusions in some situations.
One tactic here for Israel et al is to have a policy where every immigrant must be matched by an emigrant. If someone from Kenya wants to immigrate to country X, there must be an extant citizen of country X that emigrates to Kenya. This would begin to acknowledge that countries can be "full" of citizens; that we can't grow to infinity. Too many look upon countries as large box stores: the more people that come through the door, the better. But large box stores can certainly become overcrowded. Time to start taking a number.Replies: @International Jew
Good idea. We should call this policy “reciprocity”. Taking it as given that all immigrants make America a little more like the places they come from, reciprocity would crowdsource (in a good sense) the decision; if a lot of Americans choose to emigrate to country X, then country X is a place Americans enjoy living in and so we should welcome a fair number of their people to come here. And if X=Somalia, well, sorry, our Somalia quota this year was just five people, better luck next year.
Israelis–and other nationalists–should just get over quivering over the whole “racist” nonsense. Of course they are “racist” in that they prefer their own racial/cultural group. That’s called normal. Just own it. “Yes we are racist in prefering Jews. That’s normal and healthy as it is for other people as well.”
Having their own nation has been really good for the Jews. It’s causing at least some of them to realize that the propaganda they’ve aimed against white gentiles for years is just that … propaganda. Wanting to have your own communities and nations, with neighbors who share your language, religion, holidays, mores, values, culture … that’s normal life. Healthy and good.
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING EUROPE
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING THE UNITED STATES
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/591378410171195392Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous
The Arctic Ocean is what’s north of Scandinavia.
Zionists are so far past liberal on immigration here, they couldn't get a bus back to liberal on immigration for everyone but Israel.Replies: @Rosamond Vincy, @Dmitry
Who are these mysterious ‘Zionists’ that you conspiracy theorists obsess about? If you mean left-wing Jewish people? They are the same ones who write these silly articles attacking Israel’s immigration policy (which is by no means a particularly immoderate one, since these illegal immigrants are being thousands of dollars, and they have spent many years in the country without being deported). I have yet to see anyone support deportation of illegal immigrants in Israel, but not in the America. I have seen people in places like this saying vice-versa though.
Witty allusion.
So you are going to boycott every country in the world with an unsolved conflict with its neighboring states? That’s dozens, maybe more.
The barely concealed subtext of this event is the power struggle between Conservative [and Reform] Jews and the ruling Orthodox Jews. Can the Orthodox be forced to share power with Conservative and Reform Jews in Israel? For Israel's survival, I hope not.
The Conservative sect embraces a peculiar --almost suicidal -- belief in Open Borders. In a recent official statement they elevated Open Borders to the central tenet of their sect. As their leaders in the US have declared:Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous
I’m sure lots and lots of them came from Somalia, Syria and Afghanistan.
Again this stuff is the stuff of analysis and argument. People interested in these questions pretty much immediately find that there's an over-the-top Jewish skew to the media/academic/financial people and organizations specifically opposing rational immigration policy (rational for American citizens) and nationalism in general. They--quite rationally--call this out. When Israel's policies--generally unapologetically ethno-nationalist--are brought up, it's logical to highlight the contradiction: nationalism for thee, but not for me, huh?Replies: @Currahee, @International Jew
Liberal US Jews are no more supportive of Israel’s attempts at self-preservation, than they are of America’s.
https://www.jweekly.com/201…
Let me quote some of it for you:
I'd still say--though i don't have a survey that asks both questions and my personal dataset is much more limited than yours--that the median US Jew is supportive of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state, but supportive of open or at least "openish" immigration to the US.
But i certainly agree that the trend is toward leftist Jews in the diaspora being full on loons across the board.
My perception is that this "diversity" thing is like a mind virus or a cancer. Once you start spouting "diversity!" thoughts--even just to propagandize against/denounce bad thinkers--it starts colonizing more and more of your brain. Once infected, people become less and less capable of doing simple basic rational thought on all matters "diverse". I've seen this not just with lefties but with nominally normal centrist church going Lutherans in my own family. It's scary stuff.Replies: @dfordoom, @Anonymous, @International Jew
Being an Australian I've never actually met a liberal US Jew in real life so I'm genuinely intrigued as to what makes them tick.Replies: @biz, @silviosilver
That being said, I refuse to lump whites with all of the other loser victim groups. We have agency. Jews are smart and control a huge portion of the commanding heights of society, but if non-Jewish whites didn't want this to happen, we would have stopped it. Returning to the con man analogy, you can't con an honest man. A large portion of whites get something out of all of this, whether that be more power, good feelings, whatever, or it would have been stopped.
Reminds me of something the famous trend following investor Ed Sekota said about about investors: "Win or lose, everybody gets what they want out of the market. Some people seem to like to lose, so they win by losing money."
At the moment, whites seem to like to lose, so we're winning by losing. How long that will last, no one can say. Trends last until they don't.Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous
Returning to the con man analogy, you can’t con an honest man. A large portion of whites get something out of all of this, whether that be more power, good feelings, whatever, or it would have been stopped.
The phrase “You can’t con an honest man” is frequently used by con men themselves, in order to convince overly trusting people who have a few concerns about the con that is being used on them. (I am not saying that this is you btw, I am taking issue with the phrase.)
Numerous examples here:
http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/21074-You-CANNOT-con-an-honest-man-really
For example, selling a $6k water softener worth $600 to an honest pensioner. Asking to give money on the basis of false medical or other problems. Decisions made by honest people when under the influence of alcohol.
I think it’s hard to con a well-read, worldly, naturally distrusting, fairly realistic and intelligent tightwad. It can still happen but the scale will be limited.
Not entirely off topic. Watch this if you have the stomach.
Pardon my language but this is double penetration propaganda. By now, our enemies have abandoned any pretense of subtlety. Could someone recommend an alternative to Netflix? I seldom use it but keep it for convenience. Our children watch classic TV shows on it. Thanks.
People of Color do not do this crapReplies: @WR
OT: Bill Gates guest edited the issue of Time that was released today. I can’t decide if he is simply naive, evil, or some combination of the two. Gates on gene editing to take just one example:
Why would anyone have questions about if this technology would be used responsibly? Just lie back and trust the experts and everything will work out great. He also praises Merkel because, “she has a good, calm view on things.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news/bill-gates-what-gives-me-hope-about-the-worlds-future/
http://time.com/5066163/bill-gates-thinks-these-6-innovations-could-change-the-world/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS08cWZrlQA
Pardon my language but this is double penetration propaganda. By now, our enemies have abandoned any pretense of subtlety. Could someone recommend an alternative to Netflix? I seldom use it but keep it for convenience. Our children watch classic TV shows on it. Thanks.Replies: @Tiny Duck
why are white people so immoral and debased?
People of Color do not do this crap
Ethiopian Jews in Israel, like blacks in the U.S., perform worse than the majority socioeconomically, and attribute their underperformance to racism. Why import more of that sort of conflict?
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There is also African American Christian community living in Dimona in Israel. It's kind of cult-group that has created their own Kibbutz. They have US citizenship and keep their American culture, but they serve in the Israeli army and are considered quite popular (a kind of tourist attraction).These are African American Christians from Chicago that live in Israel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSAGlc5Fsrc
No it’s a left-multiculturalist project. A bad idea for nationalists to climb onto.
The correct approach is what Steve has been doing. Highlight the contradiction between Jewish behavior in Israel and here, with an eye to shaming the more manly, naturally conservative Jewish guys to think about being patriots, team-players and defenders for the American side as well. And to encourage them to think more rationally–less Ellis Island schmaltz–about whether mass non-white immigration is really “good for the Jews”. And then encourage them to push their ethnic kin toward those “fair play” and “home team America” sentiments, instead of their reflex ethnic resentments.
Unless you’ve got a great plan to herd them all into camps for deportation, we need to actually convert a significant tranche of American Jews to believing and saying things akin to what Netanyahu is saying–but about this nation’s borders.
The “Anti-Racist Hitler” video springs to mind.
Maybe just the ones with influential and monstrously hypocritical diasporas.
Agreed! Though I don’t wish the Jewish diaspora so well. I hope all their political, cultural, and social, efforts fail miserably.
Yeah that less than 1% of the Israel population that’s black is a real disaster. When Zionists aren’t using them as props to prove how “diverse” Israel is, I mean. Zionists do have a point, though; the black population of Israel is way more than needed for deceptive propaganda photos.
Yeah Ed, it kinda is. Jews bribe our politicians to go along with open borders. You do understand it’s this kind of existential hostility that keeps giving Jews trouble throughout history, right? Then you get the layer of chutzpah smeared over the top, and it really starts to irritate.
Until I see something more concrete, I say Soros is in the lip service category on this one.
Yeah, the definitions range from “racist” to “really racist.”
Biz, these are the Jews we’re talking about, here. Where’s the compassion, the historical memory? Where are the Jewish leftists tearing down racism and discrimination? You’d think in a majority-Jewish country the problem would be solved in 10 seconds flat, instead it’s the opposite!
It is bloody racist, lol. And I like Israel. I dislike the American Jewish diaspora, but I like Israel.
You can’t be an honest con man, either. He’s the instigator and the profit-taker. Funny, our backwards law doesn’t put people in jail for being conned.
Compliance with the Jewish carrot and stick.
Reminds me of a lot of shit thieves say about their targets.
If Jews all made Aliyah tomorrow, the day after we wouldn’t be winning by losing anymore.
True: Jews always did nothing wrong.
I’ve done some arguing with English-speaking Zionists. 99% are completely full of it and have a strong need to portray everything Israel does as comporting with leftist sensibilities. 1% are straightforward.
Ah, chutzpah. You guys would be cute, viewed across a strong border. American Jewry is left wing. They vote 70%+ for Democrats, a far higher rate than any other White demo. And yes, obviously they’re Zionist. They control the press, but never report the sort of honesty on display in this thread. They have huge influence over both major parties, but use it to suppress the sort of conversation we’re having here. They use it to support Israel. You do know there is practically zero criticism of Zionism in American establishment politics, right? That the critique offered here gets people expelled (by Jews or their agents, or those working out of fear of either) from the American establishment, right?
Nonsense. All of American Jewry supports it.
Rot. Nonsense. Utter rubbish. Diaspora Jews are very supportive of Israel. They make almost no noise about this, when they should be up in arms (ostensibly, if you’re too thick to grasp the concept of Jewish Supremacism, i.e., hypocritical double standards).
I reject your false dilemma. We should completely ruin Jews’ reputation and use shunning, and its equivalents, to remove them from power. Make it so their money doesn’t translate into power. Relying on them to do the right thing is insane.
The correct approach is what Steve has been doing. Highlight the contradiction between Jewish behavior in Israel and here, with an eye to shaming the more manly, naturally conservative Jewish guys to think about being patriots, team-players and defenders for the American side as well. And to encourage them to think more rationally--less Ellis Island schmaltz--about whether mass non-white immigration is really "good for the Jews". And then encourage them to push their ethnic kin toward those "fair play" and "home team America" sentiments, instead of their reflex ethnic resentments.
Unless you've got a great plan to herd them all into camps for deportation, we need to actually convert a significant tranche of American Jews to believing and saying things akin to what Netanyahu is saying--but about this nation's borders.Replies: @Dmitry
Except – are talking about different groups living thousands of kilometers away from each other, in different countries, and have even somewhat parallel religious communities sphere (Reform Judaism and Conservative Judaism don’t exist in Israel, but they are the two largest religious Jewish communities in America).
What is happening as a result of divergence in areas like politics, is that the left-wing American Jews who write these kind of articles (such as Judy Maltz above who wrote this silly article quoted here), are becoming more unhappy with Israel. These people are very consistent and what they believe is good for America – they believe equally is good for Israel, Europe, or any other country on which they have opinions.
Seriously? On an HBD blog?
Brass tacks: Jewish is not about a religion but an ethnicity, with an ethno-religion doing boundary policing. If you mess up the ethnic angle–and importing in Africans is *really* messing it up–what’s the point?
Speaking of circumcision, I was told once that if a man who was circumcised at birth wants to convert to Islam and maybe Judaism as an adult the rabbi or imam will make him undergo “symbolic circumcision”. He will use a needle prick to draw a drop of blood from his member. Does anyone know if this is true? Or just some “just so story” that was floating around the internet after 9-11?Replies: @Melendwyr, @biz
I suspect that varies from religious community to community, but two of my friends here in America are married, guy former Catholic, gal practicing Jewish. He has considered converting, and she has repeatedly joked with him about being stuck with a pin. It’s not a urban legend, although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s been turned into one.
It is not like converting to be a Catholic or a Lutheran or even a Mormon. It is not a universal religion, but an ethnic group.
I get females--like Ivanka, though i'd be strongly against my daughters doing it--they are delivering themselves (body and soul) to their husband and becoming one of his people. Women do surrender themselves--it's inherent in the act. If you're letting a man plant his seed in you--you're his, part of his people.
But a guy converting? You're just selling out your birthright as a white man. And for what? Saying a bunch of mumbo jumbo does not change your lineage and make you a Jew. This guy should just cut his balls off.Replies: @Melendwyr
Let me quote some of it for you:Replies: @AnotherDad, @dfordoom
Good point IJ.
I’d still say–though i don’t have a survey that asks both questions and my personal dataset is much more limited than yours–that the median US Jew is supportive of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state, but supportive of open or at least “openish” immigration to the US.
But i certainly agree that the trend is toward leftist Jews in the diaspora being full on loons across the board.
My perception is that this “diversity” thing is like a mind virus or a cancer. Once you start spouting “diversity!” thoughts–even just to propagandize against/denounce bad thinkers–it starts colonizing more and more of your brain. Once infected, people become less and less capable of doing simple basic rational thought on all matters “diverse”. I’ve seen this not just with lefties but with nominally normal centrist church going Lutherans in my own family. It’s scary stuff.
I suppose we can start with the ones illegally occupying and oppressing their neighbors. Sound fair?
Rachel Corrie was made of the same SJW hysteria that you are.
If anyone wants to live in an Arabic-speaking country in historic Palestine.... they merely need to go to Jordan.
Jordan is Palestine. Read some history books.Replies: @Anonymous
I don’t know how any self-respecting white gentile male can consider converting to Judaism.
It is not like converting to be a Catholic or a Lutheran or even a Mormon. It is not a universal religion, but an ethnic group.
I get females–like Ivanka, though i’d be strongly against my daughters doing it–they are delivering themselves (body and soul) to their husband and becoming one of his people. Women do surrender themselves–it’s inherent in the act. If you’re letting a man plant his seed in you–you’re his, part of his people.
But a guy converting? You’re just selling out your birthright as a white man. And for what? Saying a bunch of mumbo jumbo does not change your lineage and make you a Jew. This guy should just cut his balls off.
The way it’s going, it will be the Barents Sea.
On other hand, Europe and America are not reachable from Africa, so European and American fears are not.
Buck, Israelis are the most paranoid people I have ever encountered in my travels. Leave one shop and the owner of the shop across the way would approach you and demand to know what the other shopkeeper had to say about him. This happened so frequently that my wife and I thought it was a comedy skit.
What you’re seeing is the result of a strong elite consensus. The establishment differs on taxes and bla bla bla, but they are all lockstep leftists when it comes to diversity. You’re seeing the results of what really matters to TPTB (in large part because it’s what really matters to Jews).
I suppose this is what God intended. We should encourage total aliyah, make the circle perfect.
Plus, the hourly wage would be low, and blacks are notorious for being bad tippers.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
blacks are notorious for being bad tippers
In this context, is a bad tip the result of a botched bris?
The phrase "You can't con an honest man" is frequently used by con men themselves, in order to convince overly trusting people who have a few concerns about the con that is being used on them. (I am not saying that this is you btw, I am taking issue with the phrase.)
Numerous examples here:
http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/21074-You-CANNOT-con-an-honest-man-really
For example, selling a $6k water softener worth $600 to an honest pensioner. Asking to give money on the basis of false medical or other problems. Decisions made by honest people when under the influence of alcohol.
I think it's hard to con a well-read, worldly, naturally distrusting, fairly realistic and intelligent tightwad. It can still happen but the scale will be limited.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
Agreed, but figured that the phrase fit these circumstances.
Bangladesh is the size of Wisconsin, and about 1/3 of it is perilously close to sea level, yet Bangladesh's population is close to 140 million. If Israel were not vigilant, easily 50 million Africans would make their way there. I just wish American Jews would stop casting the racist accusation against their fellow Americans for doing what they applaud the Israeli government for doing, but that seems like a hopeless wish.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Daniel, I agree with you about the AJs casting racist accusations against fellow Americans, but Bangladesh is expanding by over population, not immigration.
OT:
I read decades of Woody Allen’s private notes. He’s obsessed with teenage girls.
His 56-box archive is filled with misogynist and lecherous musings.
I read decades of Woody Allen’s private notes. He’s obsessed with teenage girls.
His 56-box archive is filled with misogynist and lecherous musings.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Didn’t he make a movie about that 39 years ago?
-Manhattan
Don’t believe the population figures for sub-Sahara Africa. They’re likely as accurate as old population figures and economic statistics from the old Soviet Union.
Go to Google Earth. Pick any city n Africa and view it. Look at it’s population figures. Then look for the traffic and infrastructure needed to support and feed that population. It isn’t there. And- look for evidence of farms.
Pick any city in Europe or the U.S. with a similar size published population and do the same. You’ll see what I mean.
Way OT:
I always enjoy reading Steve’s movie reviews even though I don’t like watching movies that much myself. Mrs. jJay does like movies though. For domestic tranquility we see a few movies each year.
We saw ‘Ferdinand’ this weekend. The wife got a good kick out of it, I didn’t fall asleep. That’s a successful date. I suggested the movie based on Steve’s review. She also wants to see “The Shape of Water”. She has read several reviews of this movie declaring it to be excellent. I have read only Steve’s.
We got in a very minor spat about this. She wanted to see just one negative review. I couldn’t find it. Why’s that? I purchased a new Windows 10 PC and used the native Edge browser with the Bing search engine to find “Steve Sailer movie review the shape of water”.
Try this search with Bing and then with Google.
Modern society is just over-medicated in every respect. Imaginary afflictions and unnecessary procedures, pills, treatments, prescriptions. A wealthy society is particularly prone to this.
Ok, you start with China (Tibet, Uighurstan), Indonesia (Irian Jaya), Turkey (Kurds), Iran (Kurds, Azeriz, Swamp Arabs, southern Lebanese), Saudi Arabia (Yemen), Spain (Catalonia, apparently), some others, and then get back to me.
Although I'll certainly have a bit of fun with this, I actually wish you will in your efforts. I'd be the first to pop the champagne if the Arabs took out Israel, but I refuse to play this game of "negrify thy neighbor" - a game we'll all lose. Illegal Africans out!
I must say, though, it would nice if your brethren would reciprocate the goodwill.Replies: @biz
If the world gets to that point, it will have long been game over for the West.
99 silviosilver > I suppose we can start with the ones illegally occupying and oppressing their neighbors
Rachel Corrie was made of the same SJW hysteria that you are.
If anyone wants to live in an Arabic-speaking country in historic Palestine…. they merely need to go to Jordan.
Jordan is Palestine. Read some history books.
Palestine is and has forever been defined as the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Trans-Jordan--as its name denotes--is the land across the Jordan.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/antiquepalestine1866.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/PalestineMaps/NatGeoPalestineMap.jpegReplies: @biz
Speaking of circumcision, I was told once that if a man who was circumcised at birth wants to convert to Islam and maybe Judaism as an adult the rabbi or imam will make him undergo “symbolic circumcision”. He will use a needle prick to draw a drop of blood from his member. Does anyone know if this is true? Or just some “just so story” that was floating around the internet after 9-11?Replies: @Melendwyr, @biz
Can’t speak to Islam but when it comes to Judaism it depends on the denomination of the rabbi performing the conversion. Conservative and Reform Judaism are not concerned with the state of the convert’s dong at all. A Modern Orthodox rabbi will consider an already circumcised male to be sufficiently altered for conversion. However an Ultra-Orthodox rabbi will require a symbolic pinprick of blood.
Unfortunately, when it comes to Israel, due to the complicated power-sharing status quo agreement, the Ultra-Orthodox rabbinate controls some of the levers of immigration, so if you would like to immigrate to Israel as a convert to Judaism you will need the pinprick. Ironically, if you want to immigrate to Israel not as a convert to Judaism but because you can show that one of your grandparents was a Jew, then you can have the foreskinniest wang in the world and it’s no problem.
You must have not been to very many countries then. Israel is less PC than the US or Western Europe, but it is nowhere near as racist as any of the Arab countries, the South Asian Countries, East Asia, etc.
People with a South African heritage total around 50,000 (less than 1%) of Israel’s population, and the vast majority of those were families established in Israel long before the end of Apartheid. Abba Eban was a famous founding Israeli from South Africa. They are concentrated in and near a small, wealthy, English-speaking suburb of Tel Aviv called Savyon.
That’s not who we are, goy.
Hell if I know. I have watched 0 Allen movies, so far.
Though common sense suggests it wasn’t as creepy 39 years ago…
So is Jewry, just with the poles of hypocrisy reversed. We learned it by watching you.
Circumcision in the US and white Comminwealth countries had absolutely nothing to do with “normalization of Jewish practices, as an effect of massive overrepresentation.”
Circumcision for male babies became standard in the Royal Family as far back as the reign of George I. The practice spread to British aristocrats and then the upper middle-class, becoming common in Britain during the Victorian era. The same was true for the US and Canada.
Rates of circumcision have dropped somewhat in the US and much more so in the UK, Canada, and Australia during the last 40 years.
That wasn’t because of Jewish “overrepresentation” in the Anglosphere during the 1700s and its sharp decline during the last forty years.
Let me quote some of it for you:Replies: @AnotherDad, @dfordoom
So what’s the motivation at work there? Are liberal US Jews just atheists who hate all religions including Judaism? Does liberalism trump Judaism? Do they hate Israel because at least some Israeli Jews are actual Jews who follow the Jewish religion? Do they think Israeli Jews are Nazis? Do they think American Jews are the only real Jews? Is it Ashkenazi prejudice against non-Ashkenazi Jews?
Being an Australian I’ve never actually met a liberal US Jew in real life so I’m genuinely intrigued as to what makes them tick.
The movement of (many) liberal American Jews away from a pro-Israel stance has myriad interacting causes, but the most important one is that their political liberal identity is more central to them than their Jewish identity. There was a long time when mainstream American liberalism was very pro-Israel, basically from the founding of Israel at least through the 90s, in fact it was more pro-Israel than mainstream conservatism for most of that time. So there was no conflict between liberalism and pro-Israelism for a long time in America, and liberal Jews could have their cake and eat to too so to speak, without even thinking about it too much.
However since 2000 and especially accelerating in the past few years mainstream American liberalism has wholeheartedly embraced identity politics, intersectionality, and silly victimhood narratives that had previously been more the domain of the loony far-Left, or given only half-hearted lip service by real politicians. I mean who would have predicted, in say 2004, that actual cop killers would be applauded at the 2016 Democratic convention. Part of that turn toward identity politics of course means adopting the far-Left's position on Israel. When facing a conflict between their liberalism and their Jewish identity, clearly most liberal Jews have chosen their liberalism. That shows just how intensely tribal American politics is now. At least when it comes to the chattering classes of America, their political tribe means more to people than their actual tribe!
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For what it's worth, I do predict somewhat of a turn-around in this in the near future though. For one thing, the identity politics insanity is getting to be too much even for some well-indoctrinated people. Right now they are chuckling about niqabs being called "feminist" and the Berkeley elementary schools having Black Panther Day. But underneath those laughs is unease that just maybe things are going off the rails and should be dialed back - but they won't be dialed back. The other thing is that as Steve has pointed out, the identity politics coalition is not that stable. Many Jews will increasingly get the message that they are not particularly well liked by some elements of that coalition. For example in their mosque sermons, Muslim Imams don't celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Israelis, they celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Jews. Also the weird increasing convergence between the far Left and the far Right on Israel and Jews can serve as a bridge out of leftist politics. It is difficult for a good liberal these days to force themselves to be on the opposite side than Linda Sarsour, but easy to force themselves to be on the opposite side than David Duke.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver, @dfordoom
Just read their websites, their blogs, social media, etc. Then compare to it what "anti-semites" like Kevin MacDonald have to say about their behavior. It'll make perfect sense.
I'd still say--though i don't have a survey that asks both questions and my personal dataset is much more limited than yours--that the median US Jew is supportive of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state, but supportive of open or at least "openish" immigration to the US.
But i certainly agree that the trend is toward leftist Jews in the diaspora being full on loons across the board.
My perception is that this "diversity" thing is like a mind virus or a cancer. Once you start spouting "diversity!" thoughts--even just to propagandize against/denounce bad thinkers--it starts colonizing more and more of your brain. Once infected, people become less and less capable of doing simple basic rational thought on all matters "diverse". I've seen this not just with lefties but with nominally normal centrist church going Lutherans in my own family. It's scary stuff.Replies: @dfordoom, @Anonymous, @International Jew
A nominally normal centrist church going Lutheran is just an SJW waiting to happen. Christianity is like a virus that destroys the immune system.
I always enjoy reading Steve's movie reviews even though I don't like watching movies that much myself. Mrs. jJay does like movies though. For domestic tranquility we see a few movies each year.
We saw 'Ferdinand' this weekend. The wife got a good kick out of it, I didn't fall asleep. That's a successful date. I suggested the movie based on Steve's review. She also wants to see "The Shape of Water". She has read several reviews of this movie declaring it to be excellent. I have read only Steve's.
We got in a very minor spat about this. She wanted to see just one negative review. I couldn't find it. Why's that? I purchased a new Windows 10 PC and used the native Edge browser with the Bing search engine to find "Steve Sailer movie review the shape of water".
Try this search with Bing and then with Google.Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross
“Google image search ‘white scientists’ or ‘European scientists’” is like two years old but yeah. In fact ten years ago there was an activist site called Screwgle, which documented Google reversing the political meanings of searches (so Vietnam war apologist vets were transmogrified into anti-war activists!) but it got shut down.
I always enjoy reading Steve's movie reviews even though I don't like watching movies that much myself. Mrs. jJay does like movies though. For domestic tranquility we see a few movies each year.
We saw 'Ferdinand' this weekend. The wife got a good kick out of it, I didn't fall asleep. That's a successful date. I suggested the movie based on Steve's review. She also wants to see "The Shape of Water". She has read several reviews of this movie declaring it to be excellent. I have read only Steve's.
We got in a very minor spat about this. She wanted to see just one negative review. I couldn't find it. Why's that? I purchased a new Windows 10 PC and used the native Edge browser with the Bing search engine to find "Steve Sailer movie review the shape of water".
Try this search with Bing and then with Google.Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross
Hmm, not working for me (meaning it’s working properly). Have they mended their ways?
Even more in the poorer nearby suburb, Trayvon.
As to this part:That's all true, and I'll add one more. Most people have no idea, even the ones that understand that keeping the population reasonable wrt the area of good land is a good idea, that the American population would have been stable long ago if it hadn't been for the 1965 immigration act and our porous southern border.Replies: @istevefan
Most don’t realize our nation is fully settled. Or that we don’t have the factory jobs of 100 years ago and that automation is going to reduce more jobs in the future.
Here’s a statistic people should know. In 1940 we had around 140 million people. That allowed us to have around 12 million serve in WW2 and work our factories that churned out uncountable numbers of planes, tanks, ships and munitions. Today our population is over 325 million and climbing. We are number 3 only behind China and India. If we still had our 1940 population numbers, we’d still rank around number 10, trailing only China, India and a who’s who list of winners like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Without the 1965 act, our population would probably be around 260 million today which would mean we’d still be in third place.
Right now, immigrants since 1965 and their children, and grandchildren, number nearly 100 million.
Here's a statistic people should know. In 1940 we had around 140 million people. That allowed us to have around 12 million serve in WW2 and work our factories that churned out uncountable numbers of planes, tanks, ships and munitions. Today our population is over 325 million and climbing. We are number 3 only behind China and India. If we still had our 1940 population numbers, we'd still rank around number 10, trailing only China, India and a who's who list of winners like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Without the 1965 act, our population would probably be around 260 million today which would mean we'd still be in third place.Replies: @L Woods, @Anonymous, @another fred
Obviously gross population is the winning factor in world domination. That’s why Austria-Hungary slapped down Prussia in its bid to hegemony over Germany and remains the titan of eastern Europe today.
People of Color do not do this crapReplies: @WR
Tiny Duck, I think that you are right this time around. Only one type of white people – committed to destroy western civilization – would do this commercial. You don’t see people of color propagandizing against white males 24/7 on TV, academia, radio and the movies. They have neither the financial resources nor the relentless drive to bring down European Americans.
Like I said, we’ll start with the ones with rich, powerful, activist, annoying diasporas that advocate here for the opposite of what they enact in their own country.
Oh, look, that puts Jews at the top of the list! Actually, that makes it a list of one.
Isaac Davis: She’s 17. I’m 42 and she’s 17. I’m older than her father, can you believe that? I’m dating a girl, wherein, I can beat up her father.
-Manhattan
Really? Where do we get circumcision from, then? Eskimos?
I.e., the normalization of a Jewish practice.
Oh, sure, we can quibble over that part. But it’s absolutely the normalization of a Jewish practice.
Yes, Jews take an active role in *preventing* awareness of their malfeasance. They fire people, they harass people, ostracize them, etc.
Correct; Israel is best categorized alongside Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc., and not UK, US, France, etc.
I’ve actually run across quite a few former South African Jews in Chicago. One of them told that virtually everyone in his Jewish high school class in Joburg had emigrated to Israel, the UK, America, and Australia.
That being said, I refuse to lump whites with all of the other loser victim groups. We have agency. Jews are smart and control a huge portion of the commanding heights of society, but if non-Jewish whites didn't want this to happen, we would have stopped it. Returning to the con man analogy, you can't con an honest man. A large portion of whites get something out of all of this, whether that be more power, good feelings, whatever, or it would have been stopped.
Reminds me of something the famous trend following investor Ed Sekota said about about investors: "Win or lose, everybody gets what they want out of the market. Some people seem to like to lose, so they win by losing money."
At the moment, whites seem to like to lose, so we're winning by losing. How long that will last, no one can say. Trends last until they don't.Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous
We were and are crippled by 1) a sense of fair play and 2) lack of tribalism.
Together these are fatal, as we are seeing everywhere in America (and Europe) now.
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING EUROPE
REFUGEE OVERLOAD IS KILLING THE UNITED STATES
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/591378410171195392Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous
bored identity is afraid that y’all would have to take this quiz at the end of the Current Year semester:
http://www.ifcj.org/learn/quiz/shofar-quiz/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=quiz&utm_content=shofar-2017
The barely concealed subtext of this event is the power struggle between Conservative [and Reform] Jews and the ruling Orthodox Jews. Can the Orthodox be forced to share power with Conservative and Reform Jews in Israel? For Israel's survival, I hope not.
The Conservative sect embraces a peculiar --almost suicidal -- belief in Open Borders. In a recent official statement they elevated Open Borders to the central tenet of their sect. As their leaders in the US have declared:Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous
That is to say, our religious prejudices are Holy; everyone else’s are Evil.
That’s exactly the ‘logic’ the Chinese contingent on iSteve are foisting upon us daily.
Since China/India/Africa are so populous, why you’d be fools not to take in tens of millions of them!
I'd still say--though i don't have a survey that asks both questions and my personal dataset is much more limited than yours--that the median US Jew is supportive of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state, but supportive of open or at least "openish" immigration to the US.
But i certainly agree that the trend is toward leftist Jews in the diaspora being full on loons across the board.
My perception is that this "diversity" thing is like a mind virus or a cancer. Once you start spouting "diversity!" thoughts--even just to propagandize against/denounce bad thinkers--it starts colonizing more and more of your brain. Once infected, people become less and less capable of doing simple basic rational thought on all matters "diverse". I've seen this not just with lefties but with nominally normal centrist church going Lutherans in my own family. It's scary stuff.Replies: @dfordoom, @Anonymous, @International Jew
You call it a good point, I call it an anecdote.
Here's a statistic people should know. In 1940 we had around 140 million people. That allowed us to have around 12 million serve in WW2 and work our factories that churned out uncountable numbers of planes, tanks, ships and munitions. Today our population is over 325 million and climbing. We are number 3 only behind China and India. If we still had our 1940 population numbers, we'd still rank around number 10, trailing only China, India and a who's who list of winners like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Without the 1965 act, our population would probably be around 260 million today which would mean we'd still be in third place.Replies: @L Woods, @Anonymous, @another fred
Performed the calculation once and the number turned out to be less–around 240 million.
Right now, immigrants since 1965 and their children, and grandchildren, number nearly 100 million.
That’s exactly it. If the Elites want more immigration, we’ll have more immigration.
Having their own nation has been really good for the Jews. It's causing at least some of them to realize that the propaganda they've aimed against white gentiles for years is just that ... propaganda. Wanting to have your own communities and nations, with neighbors who share your language, religion, holidays, mores, values, culture ... that's normal life. Healthy and good.Replies: @Anonymous
They can’t do that, though. Because it might challenge their hegemony in the USA, without which–no Israel. Hence they see open borders as an existential issue for the USA as well as for Israel, only in opposite ways. A United States where Euro-Americans stood a chance at regaining control is a United States which might one day apply the same standards to everyone, and this is absolute anathema to Tribalists.
Oh I wish. After all we've done for the bastards. They're already seeking ways to cozy up to the Han, which would be hilarious to get to watch because they're actually very similar and so their normal trickery won't work.
I really want to see this in entertainment media, represented comedically as a romantic relationship breaking up, but hey they have to make more room for brilliant observations about how Trump misspelled a word.
Most Jews in Europe were created this way…by splitting from Christianity. That is why wherever there are Christians, there are Jews.
That is why there are no native Jews in Japan or other buddhist countries, or even India (the few there immigrated from Iran).
Now that Christianity has spread to Africa, more and more Jews are cropping up.
Rachel Corrie was made of the same SJW hysteria that you are.
If anyone wants to live in an Arabic-speaking country in historic Palestine.... they merely need to go to Jordan.
Jordan is Palestine. Read some history books.Replies: @Anonymous
Written by whom, I wonder?
Palestine is and has forever been defined as the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Trans-Jordan–as its name denotes–is the land across the Jordan.
Lol.
Circumcision for male babies became standard in the Royal Family as far back as the reign of George I. The practice spread to British aristocrats and then the upper middle-class, becoming common in Britain during the Victorian era. The same was true for the US and Canada.
Rates of circumcision have dropped somewhat in the US and much more so in the UK, Canada, and Australia during the last 40 years.
That wasn't because of Jewish "overrepresentation" in the Anglosphere during the 1700s and its sharp decline during the last forty years.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
Citations desperately needed.
They have dropped in the US considerably; however 40 years ago (and 50, etc) circumcision was very seldom practiced in the UK or Australia. Except among a couple of tiny, minority tribes–hardly worth mentioning, I feel sure you’ll agree.
You must be quite dim if you don't know how to use Google or spell circumcision. Here is a start for you though:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10201882/Circumcision-is-one-of-the-oddities-of-the-Royal-Family.html
If you require more remedial instruction, you will need to get handle.
Brass tacks: Jewish is not about a religion but an ethnicity, with an ethno-religion doing boundary policing. If you mess up the ethnic angle--and importing in Africans is *really* messing it up--what's the point?Replies: @Anonymous
The racial stock of Jews in Israel is already highly mixed, so I think your touch of the tar brush type of fear is out of place. What’s the point? To ensure Israel’s strength. Native born Israeli Jews certainly don’t want to in large numbers live in the settlements but those military outposts need to be populated. The best way to go about it is to find a group of settlers from outside of Israel that can be brought in to do the job. Enter the Ethiopian converts who have several generations of Jewish identity in their lineage and a shared racial identity with the Ethiopian Jews in Israel. This is a group that can be assimilated and live in the settlements. They can also supply infantry, which is only going to become a growing problem. Since the Lebanon War over a decade ago it has become apparent that urbanites don’t want to fight in wars. There is the added bonus that if a lot of these guys die fighting in the next war, it will make assimilation much quicker and complete.
No, it’s a good idea for nationalists to climb onto, because Jews hate nationalism for everyone but themselves. Maybe if their hypocrisy becomes unavoidable, they’ll realize how hateful they are and starting actually treating people how they want to be treated, like, oh, I don’t know, their religion allegedly tells them to anyway.
In the meantime, if ashkenazis, who look nothing like middle easterners and are mostly European, have a right to call themselves Jewish, so does any black person. The hypocrisy and racist hatred of Judaism/Israel needs to be called out and brought to attention so ordinary people can start asking:
“If Jews are so happy about diversity in my country, why do they scream bloody murder at the prospect of diversity in their own? Jews always tell me how they are an ally to blacks, but in Israel, they seem to hate them.”
Belgium teamed up with Sudan on deportations. Then, allegedly, there was torture.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belgium-teamed-up-with-sudan-on-deportations-then-allegedly-there-was-torture/2018/01/04/7675bb18-effd-11e7-95e3-eff284e71c8d_story.html?utm_term=.3288bacdb0f6
Animal.
>no US no Israel
Oh I wish. After all we’ve done for the bastards. They’re already seeking ways to cozy up to the Han, which would be hilarious to get to watch because they’re actually very similar and so their normal trickery won’t work.
I really want to see this in entertainment media, represented comedically as a romantic relationship breaking up, but hey they have to make more room for brilliant observations about how Trump misspelled a word.
Look At A Globe; Compare The Size Of Europe With Africa -- Asia -- South America. Understand That Controlled Immigration Is A Must.
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/484778591649927169Replies: @The King is A Fink
What makes it even more striking is if you look at the earth depicted with a Gall-Peters projection. The traditional map of the world – which I daresay most of us are familiar with – uses a Mercator projection, which grossly distorts the realtive sizes of the land-masses. The Peter’s projection depicts the land areas with the correct relative sizes and shows the true size of Africa relative to Europe.
Do you want half of Africa coming here?
The complete quotation: The first day half of Africa is here. The other half starts walking the next day.
Look at Europe if you don’t believe it.
Palestine is and has forever been defined as the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Trans-Jordan--as its name denotes--is the land across the Jordan.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/antiquepalestine1866.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/PalestineMaps/NatGeoPalestineMap.jpegReplies: @biz
Nope. The British Mandate of Palestine from the League of National after WW1 included what is now Jordan. The Brits broke off the Transjordanian piece in the 1920s and gave it to the Heshemite clan as their own fiefdom. Your second map there is of the UN Partition Plan from 1947, thus after this, so of course it doesn’t reflect Transjordan having actually been part of Palestine.
So in other words you admit that Jordan is not synonymous with Palestine.
Got to give Netanyahu credit where it is due. He takes no guff here. And I might add that Israel has set up a partnership with the Visegrad nations on the finer points of “border security”, so whatever you think of Bibi, he’s not being a hypocrite on this issue.
>I thought, though, that Judaism had a pretty good method for discouraging all but the most pious adult male converts?
I once heard that if you want to convert to Orthodox Judaism from another religion, the rabbi will pretty much list off the reasons for you *not* to convert and tell you how bad it is. The idea is, if you were meant to convert, you wouldn’t care and wouldn’t be convinced by anybody.
It’s been a few decades since Israel could be termed a “Western” nation in the classical sense of the word. (I personally look at the 1977 elections as the paradigm changer, but I’m not a Jew and am no expert on Israel, so anybody here is free to correct me.) The majority of Israelis nowadays are either former Soviet emigrants, descendants of those expelled from the Arab World in 1967, or orthodox. In contrast to the remnants of the Labour-supporting Ashkenazim that read and write for shops like Haaretz, these groups view Israel as an explicitly Jewish nation-state, much like Egypt and Saudi Arabia are Arab nation-states.
Combine that with the transition to a privatized economy in the 1980s, and you’ve got the recipe for Likud’s political success.
OT, but I wonder what Bibi’s attitude on the Iranian protests are. I personally think that it is highly unlikely that any realistic Iranian regime is going to give up the bomb program, even if they intend to opt for nuclear latency or ambiguity even more than the mullahs. The Shah had one in the 1970s and it was only slowed down by the fact that the mullahs were stupid enough to purge the country’s scientific sector in the 1980s Islamic version of the Cultural Revolution. (Which is part of why you see a lot of Iranian-Americans in high-horsepower scientific professions.) While it’d obviously be preferable for them for a non-Islamist government to have a bomb than an Islamist one, that would still upset Israel’s nuclear monopoly, not to mention how their de facto allies in Riyadh would react.
There is no “unsolved” Palestinian problem. There is only a refugee problem. One group is comprised of Arabs who are having a lot of children; with the intent of flooding the country with unemployable youth. The other group is blacks; who are very dangerous and equally unemployable.
Israel is a Jewish, Semitic country; just as America is a white Christian country. To allow anything less is to give the Muslims and Blacks free reign to destroy Western civilization. Both refugee groups should be expelled from America and Israel.
The entire BDS movement is supported by idiotic college students who don’t even know what is at stake.
The stated requirement is three attempted verbal dissuasions. You can imagine how sincerity and persistence can … vary.
Jews are pretty good at existentializing their circumstances to up the stakes and rally the troops. Part of their general love of high-risk strategies that frequently blow up in their faces.
No it isn’t. It’s like 95%+ Levantine. That’s monochromatic mayo on white bread, as far as diaspora Jews are concerned, who do not accept a room with a Greek, a Russian, a German, and an Irishman as diverse enough to be Diverse. Sauce, meet gander.
As for the rest of your comment, I think we’ve seen how the GoI feels about your plan; since they’re deporting their blacks, it’s probably a non-starter.
Han: you take 1m Han immigrant! We vet them for 120+ IQ; you confirm with IQ test. They transform your society for better, run country and institutions much better than you. Work harder, too. We even pay to build their housing and infrastructure.
Jews: we know, we know; they’re just looking for a better life.
One reason not to break out the fiddle for Jews having to leave a country is that they don’t, unless they’re setting out a tin cup.
The Jewish birthrate in Israel is through the roof, in no small part because of shiftless welfare leech draft-dodging demographics. But I’m sure they’d never squirt out babies with ill intent, so there’s that.
You make a good point. All of the orthodox exemption rules should be ended. These people should work and serve in the Army just like everyone else. But the fact remains that the population of Gaza has gone from 2 million to 4 million in just twenty years. There will be starvation there eventually.
But population growth issues aside, there is a deeper problem; the Islamization of the West, including Israel. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western Culture. You can talk about the "melting pot" all you want, but in the end, all of the Muslims and blacks will have to be expelled from Western Europe. This will lead to war; with America, England, Germany and France on one side, and Turkey, Egypt, and Africa on the other.
Mass deportations are the only long-term solution, and it won't be nice when it happens.Replies: @silviosilver
Israel is a Jewish, Semitic country; just as America is a white Christian country. To allow anything less is to give the Muslims and Blacks free reign to destroy Western civilization. Both refugee groups should be expelled from America and Israel.
The entire BDS movement is supported by idiotic college students who don't even know what is at stake.Replies: @J.Ross
If only it was so simple. Actually Israel is a Jewish country even as NO WHITE COUNTRIES EXIST OR EVER EXISTED and the US was a melting salad from day one. Joke’s on you though. You appear to set up a deal (a deal which, we are painfully aware, will never be honored) but there’s no way to call off the dogs because they’re not ours and they’re not dogs.
Dumb.
That’s like saying that “America” is not synonymous with “The United States.” In some contexts it is, and in some contexts it isn’t.
“Palestine” itself is a nebulous and ever-changing concept anyway.
Svigor,
You make a good point. All of the orthodox exemption rules should be ended. These people should work and serve in the Army just like everyone else. But the fact remains that the population of Gaza has gone from 2 million to 4 million in just twenty years. There will be starvation there eventually.
But population growth issues aside, there is a deeper problem; the Islamization of the West, including Israel. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western Culture. You can talk about the “melting pot” all you want, but in the end, all of the Muslims and blacks will have to be expelled from Western Europe. This will lead to war; with America, England, Germany and France on one side, and Turkey, Egypt, and Africa on the other.
Mass deportations are the only long-term solution, and it won’t be nice when it happens.
Being an Australian I've never actually met a liberal US Jew in real life so I'm genuinely intrigued as to what makes them tick.Replies: @biz, @silviosilver
This is a great question and I applaud you for asking it.
The movement of (many) liberal American Jews away from a pro-Israel stance has myriad interacting causes, but the most important one is that their political liberal identity is more central to them than their Jewish identity. There was a long time when mainstream American liberalism was very pro-Israel, basically from the founding of Israel at least through the 90s, in fact it was more pro-Israel than mainstream conservatism for most of that time. So there was no conflict between liberalism and pro-Israelism for a long time in America, and liberal Jews could have their cake and eat to too so to speak, without even thinking about it too much.
However since 2000 and especially accelerating in the past few years mainstream American liberalism has wholeheartedly embraced identity politics, intersectionality, and silly victimhood narratives that had previously been more the domain of the loony far-Left, or given only half-hearted lip service by real politicians. I mean who would have predicted, in say 2004, that actual cop killers would be applauded at the 2016 Democratic convention. Part of that turn toward identity politics of course means adopting the far-Left’s position on Israel. When facing a conflict between their liberalism and their Jewish identity, clearly most liberal Jews have chosen their liberalism. That shows just how intensely tribal American politics is now. At least when it comes to the chattering classes of America, their political tribe means more to people than their actual tribe!
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For what it’s worth, I do predict somewhat of a turn-around in this in the near future though. For one thing, the identity politics insanity is getting to be too much even for some well-indoctrinated people. Right now they are chuckling about niqabs being called “feminist” and the Berkeley elementary schools having Black Panther Day. But underneath those laughs is unease that just maybe things are going off the rails and should be dialed back – but they won’t be dialed back. The other thing is that as Steve has pointed out, the identity politics coalition is not that stable. Many Jews will increasingly get the message that they are not particularly well liked by some elements of that coalition. For example in their mosque sermons, Muslim Imams don’t celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad’s army defeated the Israelis, they celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad’s army defeated the Jews. Also the weird increasing convergence between the far Left and the far Right on Israel and Jews can serve as a bridge out of leftist politics. It is difficult for a good liberal these days to force themselves to be on the opposite side than Linda Sarsour, but easy to force themselves to be on the opposite side than David Duke.
It could get badly out of control and we could see a lot of denunciations and counter-denunciations. It could make the Cultural Revolution look like a Sunday School picnic. And there's no Chairman Mao to restore order.
When instability passes a certain point no-one is safe.
The Shah’s government was an ally of Israel. I’m sure Netanyahu would prefer an Iranian government like that as opposed to the current one.
Here's a statistic people should know. In 1940 we had around 140 million people. That allowed us to have around 12 million serve in WW2 and work our factories that churned out uncountable numbers of planes, tanks, ships and munitions. Today our population is over 325 million and climbing. We are number 3 only behind China and India. If we still had our 1940 population numbers, we'd still rank around number 10, trailing only China, India and a who's who list of winners like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Without the 1965 act, our population would probably be around 260 million today which would mean we'd still be in third place.Replies: @L Woods, @Anonymous, @another fred
An additional factoid is that the initial waves of Mexican immigrants were allowed in to harvest fruits and vegetables on large farms, forcing millions of small farmers out of business along with the small businesses and communities they supported. “We” have benefited by getting cheaper fruits and vegetables.
It has been said that it takes all kinds to make a world. Apparently someone decided that small farmers and the small businessmen they supported were a type we could do without. These folks did tend to be pretty hard-nosed and hard to get along if you crossed them – but hey! Look at all the cheap frozen foods we can buy at Walmart.
“Citations desperately needed.”
You must be quite dim if you don’t know how to use Google or spell circumcision. Here is a start for you though:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10201882/Circumcision-is-one-of-the-oddities-of-the-Royal-Family.html
If you require more remedial instruction, you will need to get handle.
Naturally, as I said. But prefer to the point of being OK with a Persian bomb, especially given Israel’s new alliance with a rapidly changing Saudi Arabia?
Granted, MOSSAD and the CIA knew all about the Shah’s nuclear ambitions, but that was a very different geopolitical age, where Israel was isolated from all the Arab World, an openly anti-Semitic USSR existed, where Pakistan didn’t have a bomb, etc.
Okay, I’m dumb, and you’re on two different sides of your own fight. I’d rather be dumb.
J. Ross > I’d rather be dumb
i’ll save a spot for your grave. Right next to Rachel Corrie’s
Would you prefer your Annual Memorial event to be during Kwanzaa, or at the Annual ANTIFA Summit?
Because what’s NOT going to happen is that the Hebrews end up like the Coptic Christians
i'll save a spot for your grave. Right next to Rachel Corrie'sWould you prefer your Annual Memorial event to be during Kwanzaa, or at the Annual ANTIFA Summit?Because what's NOT going to happen is that the Hebrews end up like the Coptic ChristiansReplies: @J.Ross
I like how all these hostile namecalling people who can’t argue show up at the same time when a certain topic is brought up, that’s not suspicious at all.
Also meat packing plants were allowed to bring in coolie, immigrant (mostly illegal) labor which did the same thing to rural workers in those industries.
It’s just as well they blur out his image in the photo. This way we don’t identify an individual w/the crime but we can identify the ethnic group w/the crime. The blurring tells us it could be any one Somali male, 18 – to whatever.
Circumcision for male babies became standard in the Royal Family as far back as the reign of George I. The practice spread to British aristocrats and then the upper middle-class, becoming common in Britain during the Victorian era. The same was true for the US and Canada.
Rates of circumcision have dropped somewhat in the US and much more so in the UK, Canada, and Australia during the last 40 years.
That wasn't because of Jewish "overrepresentation" in the Anglosphere during the 1700s and its sharp decline during the last forty years.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
The “British Israel” fad which was popular on both sides of the Atlantic from the 1870s to 1930s had much to do with it. The British conquest of Jerusalem in 1917 was a particularly significant event. However the belief gradually faded, first in Britain and later in America.
There’s a great Israeli movie called Kadosh (meaning both separate and holy), it’s pretty much every liberal Tel Avivian’s anxieties about Haredim dramatized, and at one point the Boss Haredi tells a subordinate, “We have eight kids; the atheists have no kids: soon the country will be ours.”
Being an Australian I've never actually met a liberal US Jew in real life so I'm genuinely intrigued as to what makes them tick.Replies: @biz, @silviosilver
What does meeting one have to do with it? It’s not as if they’re going to open up to you about these things, lol.
Just read their websites, their blogs, social media, etc. Then compare to it what “anti-semites” like Kevin MacDonald have to say about their behavior. It’ll make perfect sense.
The movement of (many) liberal American Jews away from a pro-Israel stance has myriad interacting causes, but the most important one is that their political liberal identity is more central to them than their Jewish identity. There was a long time when mainstream American liberalism was very pro-Israel, basically from the founding of Israel at least through the 90s, in fact it was more pro-Israel than mainstream conservatism for most of that time. So there was no conflict between liberalism and pro-Israelism for a long time in America, and liberal Jews could have their cake and eat to too so to speak, without even thinking about it too much.
However since 2000 and especially accelerating in the past few years mainstream American liberalism has wholeheartedly embraced identity politics, intersectionality, and silly victimhood narratives that had previously been more the domain of the loony far-Left, or given only half-hearted lip service by real politicians. I mean who would have predicted, in say 2004, that actual cop killers would be applauded at the 2016 Democratic convention. Part of that turn toward identity politics of course means adopting the far-Left's position on Israel. When facing a conflict between their liberalism and their Jewish identity, clearly most liberal Jews have chosen their liberalism. That shows just how intensely tribal American politics is now. At least when it comes to the chattering classes of America, their political tribe means more to people than their actual tribe!
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For what it's worth, I do predict somewhat of a turn-around in this in the near future though. For one thing, the identity politics insanity is getting to be too much even for some well-indoctrinated people. Right now they are chuckling about niqabs being called "feminist" and the Berkeley elementary schools having Black Panther Day. But underneath those laughs is unease that just maybe things are going off the rails and should be dialed back - but they won't be dialed back. The other thing is that as Steve has pointed out, the identity politics coalition is not that stable. Many Jews will increasingly get the message that they are not particularly well liked by some elements of that coalition. For example in their mosque sermons, Muslim Imams don't celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Israelis, they celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Jews. Also the weird increasing convergence between the far Left and the far Right on Israel and Jews can serve as a bridge out of leftist politics. It is difficult for a good liberal these days to force themselves to be on the opposite side than Linda Sarsour, but easy to force themselves to be on the opposite side than David Duke.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver, @dfordoom
In other words, for a long time Jewish liberals could peacefully maintain the double standard (diversity for the west, Jewish nationalism for Israel). Now that increasing numbers of goys are working out how the game is played, the double standard is making them uncomfortable.
The movement of (many) liberal American Jews away from a pro-Israel stance has myriad interacting causes, but the most important one is that their political liberal identity is more central to them than their Jewish identity. There was a long time when mainstream American liberalism was very pro-Israel, basically from the founding of Israel at least through the 90s, in fact it was more pro-Israel than mainstream conservatism for most of that time. So there was no conflict between liberalism and pro-Israelism for a long time in America, and liberal Jews could have their cake and eat to too so to speak, without even thinking about it too much.
However since 2000 and especially accelerating in the past few years mainstream American liberalism has wholeheartedly embraced identity politics, intersectionality, and silly victimhood narratives that had previously been more the domain of the loony far-Left, or given only half-hearted lip service by real politicians. I mean who would have predicted, in say 2004, that actual cop killers would be applauded at the 2016 Democratic convention. Part of that turn toward identity politics of course means adopting the far-Left's position on Israel. When facing a conflict between their liberalism and their Jewish identity, clearly most liberal Jews have chosen their liberalism. That shows just how intensely tribal American politics is now. At least when it comes to the chattering classes of America, their political tribe means more to people than their actual tribe!
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For what it's worth, I do predict somewhat of a turn-around in this in the near future though. For one thing, the identity politics insanity is getting to be too much even for some well-indoctrinated people. Right now they are chuckling about niqabs being called "feminist" and the Berkeley elementary schools having Black Panther Day. But underneath those laughs is unease that just maybe things are going off the rails and should be dialed back - but they won't be dialed back. The other thing is that as Steve has pointed out, the identity politics coalition is not that stable. Many Jews will increasingly get the message that they are not particularly well liked by some elements of that coalition. For example in their mosque sermons, Muslim Imams don't celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Israelis, they celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Jews. Also the weird increasing convergence between the far Left and the far Right on Israel and Jews can serve as a bridge out of leftist politics. It is difficult for a good liberal these days to force themselves to be on the opposite side than Linda Sarsour, but easy to force themselves to be on the opposite side than David Duke.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver, @dfordoom
Not all Jewish liberals resolve the double standard by starting to oppose Israel though. Some just drop the pretense and go full Jewish nationalist. The paradigmatic example here is Alan Dershowitz. There is a youtube of debate between him and Meir Kahane from the mid-80s where Dershowitz is being the good little liberal. Fast-forward thirty years, though, and Dershowitz sounds no different to a diehard Likudnik.
You make a good point. All of the orthodox exemption rules should be ended. These people should work and serve in the Army just like everyone else. But the fact remains that the population of Gaza has gone from 2 million to 4 million in just twenty years. There will be starvation there eventually.
But population growth issues aside, there is a deeper problem; the Islamization of the West, including Israel. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western Culture. You can talk about the "melting pot" all you want, but in the end, all of the Muslims and blacks will have to be expelled from Western Europe. This will lead to war; with America, England, Germany and France on one side, and Turkey, Egypt, and Africa on the other.
Mass deportations are the only long-term solution, and it won't be nice when it happens.Replies: @silviosilver
I guess it’s fortunate for the Gazans that they happen to right next door to Israel then, so they can benefit from Israel’s world famous generosity towards refugees.
Dude, I can understand your passion, but are you seriously going to dispute even this obvious point? Well, if you think it makes your side look good, I can only lol hard.
"Palestine" has indeed meant an ever-changing concept to suit the times. For the period after WW1 it meant what is now Israel and Jordan. For the period from 1947-1967 it meant only what is now Israel - the original PLO charter explicitly denied that what we now call the West Bank was part of "Palestine." I'll bet you didn't even know that, because you are so seeped in knee-jerk idiotic anti-Israel propaganda. Then after 1967 the definition was changed again to include the West Bank and Gaza. And so on.
I know, I know. One day cities like Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Jaffa, Jericho, to name a few, are associated with Palestine, the next day they’re not. It changes all the time. It’s so hard to keep a track of.
My impression is that high IQ people tend to get more ethnocentric as they get older.
The movement of (many) liberal American Jews away from a pro-Israel stance has myriad interacting causes, but the most important one is that their political liberal identity is more central to them than their Jewish identity. There was a long time when mainstream American liberalism was very pro-Israel, basically from the founding of Israel at least through the 90s, in fact it was more pro-Israel than mainstream conservatism for most of that time. So there was no conflict between liberalism and pro-Israelism for a long time in America, and liberal Jews could have their cake and eat to too so to speak, without even thinking about it too much.
However since 2000 and especially accelerating in the past few years mainstream American liberalism has wholeheartedly embraced identity politics, intersectionality, and silly victimhood narratives that had previously been more the domain of the loony far-Left, or given only half-hearted lip service by real politicians. I mean who would have predicted, in say 2004, that actual cop killers would be applauded at the 2016 Democratic convention. Part of that turn toward identity politics of course means adopting the far-Left's position on Israel. When facing a conflict between their liberalism and their Jewish identity, clearly most liberal Jews have chosen their liberalism. That shows just how intensely tribal American politics is now. At least when it comes to the chattering classes of America, their political tribe means more to people than their actual tribe!
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For what it's worth, I do predict somewhat of a turn-around in this in the near future though. For one thing, the identity politics insanity is getting to be too much even for some well-indoctrinated people. Right now they are chuckling about niqabs being called "feminist" and the Berkeley elementary schools having Black Panther Day. But underneath those laughs is unease that just maybe things are going off the rails and should be dialed back - but they won't be dialed back. The other thing is that as Steve has pointed out, the identity politics coalition is not that stable. Many Jews will increasingly get the message that they are not particularly well liked by some elements of that coalition. For example in their mosque sermons, Muslim Imams don't celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Israelis, they celebrate the Khybar battle where Muhammad's army defeated the Jews. Also the weird increasing convergence between the far Left and the far Right on Israel and Jews can serve as a bridge out of leftist politics. It is difficult for a good liberal these days to force themselves to be on the opposite side than Linda Sarsour, but easy to force themselves to be on the opposite side than David Duke.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver, @dfordoom
It does seem that the position of a designated victim group in the victim hierarchy can and does change and the fetish for intersectionality is a recipe for chaos. And a recipe for some very nasty in-fighting. With so many sub-groups the difficulty is that none are sure exactly where they stand in the victimhood power struggle and they’re all trying to jockey for position.
It could get badly out of control and we could see a lot of denunciations and counter-denunciations. It could make the Cultural Revolution look like a Sunday School picnic. And there’s no Chairman Mao to restore order.
When instability passes a certain point no-one is safe.
The people who live in Gaza are not refugees; they are sworn enemies of Israel. In fact, population growth in the Arab world is a huge problem, which cannot be solved by letting them come to the West. The Muslims, including those in Gaza, will have to go back where they came from. Mainly Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. To clarify this point, consider that there is not one single functioning democracy among all of the Arab nations. When Arabs host international sporting events, they will not allow the Israeli national anthem to be played. Thank God that President Trump plans to end all aid to Gaza and Pakistan.
I’m disputing it because it is factually incorrect.
“Palestine” has indeed meant an ever-changing concept to suit the times. For the period after WW1 it meant what is now Israel and Jordan. For the period from 1947-1967 it meant only what is now Israel – the original PLO charter explicitly denied that what we now call the West Bank was part of “Palestine.” I’ll bet you didn’t even know that, because you are so seeped in knee-jerk idiotic anti-Israel propaganda. Then after 1967 the definition was changed again to include the West Bank and Gaza. And so on.
Ironically, your ignorant snark is actually correct. The original PLO charter explicitly stated that the area that we now call the West Bank was not part of “Palestine.” That indeed includes Bethlehem and Jericho, and the Old City of Jerusalem. However, after Israel drove Jordan out of the West Bank in 1967 those places miraculously became part of “Palestine.”
Is Bob Dylan the wierdest example of that? And Bobby Fischer must be an exeption.
I'd still say--though i don't have a survey that asks both questions and my personal dataset is much more limited than yours--that the median US Jew is supportive of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state, but supportive of open or at least "openish" immigration to the US.
But i certainly agree that the trend is toward leftist Jews in the diaspora being full on loons across the board.
My perception is that this "diversity" thing is like a mind virus or a cancer. Once you start spouting "diversity!" thoughts--even just to propagandize against/denounce bad thinkers--it starts colonizing more and more of your brain. Once infected, people become less and less capable of doing simple basic rational thought on all matters "diverse". I've seen this not just with lefties but with nominally normal centrist church going Lutherans in my own family. It's scary stuff.Replies: @dfordoom, @Anonymous, @International Jew
I still think you’re too hard on us. Take an average person (of any religion) with some vague liberal instincts, put him on an all-MSM diet, and you’ll get a supporter of “openish” borders (and much other nonsense too). Hell, I consider myself a natural skeptic and contrarian, but if our government had somehow prevented dissident right web sites from ever taking root, I’d probably believe today that Salvadoran “refugees” are mostly nice kids who “fled violence”, and that Somalis are rapidly assimilating to Minnesota Lutheran niceness.
I made thousands of tweets criticizing Zionism in “mainstream” threads (Big Media tweets, Big Media personality tweets, etc.). Mostly I got chirping crickets. The vast majority of the exceptions were from Zionists condemning something I said. I can’t recall any leftists agreeing with me, or reframing my right-wing criticism in a way that comported with left-wing sensibility, or anything like that. All of the agreement and “likes” came from alt-righters (one or two of them Jewish apostates).
That is why there are no native Jews in Japan or other buddhist countries, or even India (the few there immigrated from Iran).
Now that Christianity has spread to Africa, more and more Jews are cropping up.Replies: @Dmitry
There’s a lot of Indian Jews. They mainly live in Ashdod. They look identical to Indian Hindus.
The Ethiopian Jews are failing in Israel according to most measures, but it is probably for different reasons to the African Americans living in the United States.
The stereotype of Ethiopian Jews in Israel is that they are very shy and not aggressive enough to push their way up (or to form political groups to represent their interests). (The personality profile is quite different to the stereotype of African Americans, who are portrayed – according to stereotypes – as extroverted).
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There is also African American Christian community living in Dimona in Israel. It’s kind of cult-group that has created their own Kibbutz. They have US citizenship and keep their American culture, but they serve in the Israeli army and are considered quite popular (a kind of tourist attraction).
These are African American Christians from Chicago that live in Israel:
Ethiopian 18-year-olds have a hard time getting admitted to the army [note to other readers: service is “mandatory” but the army has standards for your physical, intellectual, and emotional condition], and once there get incarcerated or expelled at a high rate (50% I’ve heard). At first glance, these things are very much in line with two of the basic “stereotypes” of African Americans — that they’re stupid, and that they’re violent. You seem to know Israel better than me, though, so tell me why I’m wrong here.
The high military prison rate is usually for not showing up on base at time, or leaving for days.
As for rest, there’s not comparison with the current situation of African Americans, who have been soaked in American life for centuries. This [Ethiopian] is a group has largely arrived only in 1990s, mainly from undeveloped rural areas of Ethiopia – in other words, they were taken straight from a Bronze Age society to a post-industrialize society. The older generation from rural areas spent half their life in the Bronze age and half of it in the post-industrial age.
The unflattering comparison people like to make is to post-Soviet (‘Kolbasnaya Aliyah’) immigration of the 1990s, who arrived in a similar situation of poverty, but who rapidly joins the middle class or lower middle class (and within their ranks, account for most of the country’s best scientists). But comparison is entirely unfair, as this group immigrated from what was the world’s most modern culture (pre-collapse USSR) to a less developed and more primitive culture (Israel), effectively going through cultural reverse situation of the Ethiopian immigration.
Chuckle, chuckle…
An over-simplification, my friend. Ask any Russian in Israel. And there's plenty of those.
If the "weight of the evidence" is that you want to immigrate to Israel for non-economic reasons, then almopst always you will at least be allowed to have multiple renewals of a Temporary Residency.
After that, just marry a local-yokal, or put your existing kid into a local Public school. And maintain a clean police record.
Example: almost none of the Filipino over-stayers actually get deported, or even hassled. And there's plenty of those.
But there's a world of difference between a Filipina who is working off the books - and an African Male.
Ask any cop in Tel Aviv.Replies: @Dmitry
You are a little confused – these are people that arrive under the Law of Return repatriation project, which is in someway quite lenient (stretching to the third-generation, allowing children of the 4th generation to repatriate with their parents if they are under 18, and even allowing you to get permanent residency for your non-qualifying parents [if you only arrived through your spouse qualifying, or your parents are divorced] after they reach retirement age).
There’s no pathway to citizenship through converting to Judaism within the country – attempts to do this will be regarded as invalid and they certainly won’t get you a darkon.
It is not like converting to be a Catholic or a Lutheran or even a Mormon. It is not a universal religion, but an ethnic group.
I get females--like Ivanka, though i'd be strongly against my daughters doing it--they are delivering themselves (body and soul) to their husband and becoming one of his people. Women do surrender themselves--it's inherent in the act. If you're letting a man plant his seed in you--you're his, part of his people.
But a guy converting? You're just selling out your birthright as a white man. And for what? Saying a bunch of mumbo jumbo does not change your lineage and make you a Jew. This guy should just cut his balls off.Replies: @Melendwyr
Take it to Stormfront and leave it there.