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From the New York Times news section:
War in Ukraine Forces Israel Into a Delicate Balancing Act
Israel is a strong ally of the United States
Or, perhaps to be precise, vice-versa.
, and its leaders have a good relationship with Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s Jewish president. But Israel also doesn’t want to provoke Russia.
By Patrick Kingsley, Isabel Kershner and Ronen Bergman
Published Feb. 27, 2022TEL AVIV — On the day Russia invaded Ukraine, Israel’s prime minister, Naftali Bennett, did not mention Russia once. Mr. Bennett said he prayed for peace, called for dialogue and promised support for Ukrainian citizens. But he did not hint at Moscow’s involvement, much less condemn it — and it was left, as preplanned, to Mr. Bennett’s foreign minister, Yair Lapid, to criticize Moscow in a separate statement that day.
The pair’s cautious double act embodied the bind, in which the war in Ukraine has placed Israel.
Israel is a key partner of the United States, and many Israelis appreciate longstanding cultural connections with Ukraine, which, for several months in 2019, was the only country other than their own with both a Jewish president — Volodymyr Zelensky — and a Jewish prime minister. But Russia is a critical actor in the Middle East, particularly in Syria, Israel’s northeastern neighbor and enemy, and the Israeli government believes it cannot risk losing Moscow’s favor.
For much of the past decade, the Israeli Air Force has struck Iranian, Syrian and Lebanese military targets in Syria without interference, trying to stem the flow of arms that Iran sends to its proxies in both Syria and Lebanon and to limit a military buildup on its northern border.
Israel also wants to leave itself enough room to act as a go-between in the conflict. …
Israel, which often asks that its allies to support it unconditionally, finds itself in the uncomfortable position of appearing to refuse to publicly criticize Russia, even when other countries with seemingly more at stake have condemned Mr. Putin’s war. …
And Israeli officials must simultaneously consider the responses of Israel’s large Russian-speaking population, who form about 12 percent of its electorate. Roughly 1.2 million Russian speakers have arrived in Israel from the former Soviet Union over the past three decades, about a third of them from Russia and about the same from Ukraine, according to government data. …
Conscious of the need to placate Russia, Israel has rejected several requests in recent months to send military and intelligence equipment to Ukraine, three Israeli officials and a Ukrainian official said. The most recent request was rejected by Mr. Bennett during the call on Friday, the Ukrainian official said.
Even after approving the sale of Pegasus, an Israeli-made spyware program, to dozens of other countries, Israel refused to sell it to Ukraine — rejecting a request last August from a Ukrainian delegation that visited Israel to discuss spyware purchases, according to an Israeli official and two people familiar with the matter. And Ukraine never formally asked Israel to use its fabled air defense system, known as Iron Dome, precisely because it knew that Israel would never agree to supply it, the Ukrainian official said. …
On Thursday, as Russia began its invasion, the Russian-born owners of the Putin Pub, a bar popular with Russian-speaking Israelis in Jerusalem, removed the golden “P-U-T-I-N” letters from its facade and announced that they were seeking a new name for their bar.
Of course, there are other reasons why Israel is not rushing to condemn Russia for trying to conquer neighboring land.
Eight years ago, I wrote in Taki’s Magazine:
For some time now, I had been concerned that the growing urge of American elites toward bear-baiting — what I call World War G for its bizarre premise of resurrecting the Cold War over, of all things, gay marriage — was a bad habit.
But as it turned out in Kiev, a street battle attracts a different demographic than does a gay pride parade. The triumph of brave far-right brawlers in Ukraine horrified the Russians into acting like Russians.
Russia has long been a baleful state, the biggest, toughest flatheads out on the Eurasian plain. You always hear about two times Russia was attacked — by Napoleon in 1812 and by Hitler in 1941 — but Russia didn’t get that big through diplomacy.
In late czarist times, the Foreign Office commemorated a royal anniversary by commissioning a research project in the archives. In its ceremonial memorandum to the czar, the foreign minister announced that they had reviewed the last 40 wars the state had fought and were proud to declare that Russia had started 38 of them.
Unfortunately, I don’t recall where I read this. So, now, like with my anecdote about the English lord explaining how his ancestors got into the House of Lords — “With the battle-axe, sir, with the battle-axe!” — I’m now the world’s leading source in case you need a footnote.
This is not to say that Russia is endlessly aggressive, but that it traditionally feels that its vulnerabilities demand its expansiveness. The Crimean peninsula, for example, is one of the rare places with any natural defenses in Eastern Europe, which helped Sevastopol hold out against the Nazi army until July 4, 1942, over a year after the German invasion began. Whether strategically outdated or not, in Russian thinking Crimea looms as a natural fortress threatening the right flank of any hypothetical NATO invasion of Russia through Ukraine.
I certainly don’t know what’s going to happen next in Eastern Europe, but I’d like to sketch out a scenario that is, while admittedly implausible, even less often contemplated.
Russia increasingly resembles another country with similar paranoiac geopolitical attitudes and a culture that is yearly becoming less Northwest European: Israel. A rapprochement between Russia and Israeli nationalists remains unlikely, but the chances are growing.
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Sounds like a TD pronouncement, and is just about as accurate. “With friends like this…”
Allies? Allies? I must have missed something. Or is allies one of those words like democracy, which now means whatever we want it to mean?
Israel is pragmatic … they want to keep control of the Golan Heights, which Russia could help Syria easily regain.
BTW, this from the Chinese:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220648.shtmlReplies: @nebulafox
If it could be 'easily regained', Syria would have accomplished that some time in the last 54 years. Their one attempt resulted in their losing ground.
This must be the 21st century version of beating swords into plowshares.
https://t.co/562FobNHdz https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1498150475316744195?s=20&t=PlCLqA_Qq8x7LKTzlbLr0Q
It seems that Israel will, willy-nilly, pass this shit-test.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-698893
Lapid: Israel will join UN condemnation of Russia
https://www.timesofisrael.com/sharansky-israel-must-take-a-clear-moral-stand-against-putin-over-ukraine/
Sharansky: Israel must take ‘a clear moral stand’ against Putin over Ukraine
Someone mentioned the Durnovo memorandum the other day, written by an noble Russian lawyer/politician to Tsar Nicholas II in February 1914 and arguing that Russia should stay close to Germany rather than England. It’s one of the most prescient documents I’ve ever read, although he couldn’t foresee that both Germany AND Russia would lose.
https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/durnovo.htm
Here in the UK, the BBC (and all MSM – the Mail is REALLY bad) is getting hysterical enough to start seriously worrying people. Putin is now portrayed on R5 “news” channels as not only evil, but quite possibly insane. A friend was wondering yesterday if she should cancel her proposed and much-postponed foreign holiday.
Woman behind the till in the shop : “Thank God my son’s no longer in the Army“. She then told me that earlier today a well-dressed middle class woman had cleaned out her stock of plain white candles and bought a lot of batteries, expecting the lights to go out.
There is absolutely no war fever here in NYC. Can't say what the rest of the country is like. It's a big country. But I sense it's the same in Kentucky. Please if there are any Kentuckians lurking, correct me.
The only passion I see is on Twitter. The blue-checks are frothing.
This is in direct contrast to 1991 and 2004 - plenty of war fever, yes, whipped up from above, but a lot of it real.
This is my only hope: the average man/woman on the street has become a lot more savvy since 2004.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
The Israeli media is the only large scale western media I am aware of that has criticised the nazis in Ukraine. Of course only in limited amounts.
Mostly the defence of the Nazis has been the Jewish element in Kiev’s government. Yes, they wear nazi insignia. Yes they praise Bandera killer of many many Jews and Poles. Yes one f the Nazi parties is called the Social Nationalists. But they don’t kill jews.
That they kill Russians and do so as part of their nationalist policies is put to one side.
It takes a special kind of judgement to separate Nazis from nationalist killers of minorities and make them guiltless.
Palestine is the only other place where this seems to apply.
Close to one quarter of the 200 richest people in Russia are Jewish, according to a report by Russian banking website lanta.ru, which gives the 48 Jews on the list a combined net worth of \$132.9 billion.
The report also analyzed the nationality of each of the 200 billionaires, finding that just 89 – less than half – were ethnic Russians, even though they make up 81% percent of the population in Russia.
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The net worth of the remaining people on the list stands at \$165 billion. The list is comprised of 24 Ukrainians, 8 Tatars, 7 Armenians, 3 of local origin, 3 from Ingushetia, 2 Uzbeks, and a handful of other nationalities.
The publication of the list erupted outrage in Russia and received criticism from news editors and human rights organizations who claimed that this is the first time that the list of the wealthiest Russians is composed of a majority of non-native citizens and points to the fact that most of the country’s wealth is in the hands of “foreigners”.
Journalist Nikolai Svanidze, a member of the Public Chamber of Russia, a consultant for the office of President Vladimir Putin, said in response that the list is a “Nazi report” and that the ethnicities of the wealthiest members of Russian society should not be published, as it is “subject to cause issues.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4587086,00.html
From the way the Ukraine War along with the Western Response has torn asunder the iSteve Commentariat, the late Tom Clancy’s techno-thriller novel would be titled, “(Stuff) Storm Rising.”
Let’s hope the conflict doesn’t spread that we end up with a stream of refugees from Iceland.
I guess Keflavik might be a target (like the UK, Iceland is another unsinkable aircraft carrier) and it's not terribly far (25 miles?) from the vast majority of Iceland's population in the Rejkjavik area.
The good news is prevailing winds are easterly, blowing fallout into the North Atlantic, though it's hard to predict weather for any given day.Replies: @Inquiring Mind
I think this story is a bit out of date by now. Israel will probably join in on more anti-Russian initiatives soon, even if not quite as loudly as some other countries.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/world/europe/switzerland-russian-assets-freeze.html
The report also analyzed the nationality of each of the 200 billionaires, finding that just 89 - less than half - were ethnic Russians, even though they make up 81% percent of the population in Russia.
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The net worth of the remaining people on the list stands at $165 billion. The list is comprised of 24 Ukrainians, 8 Tatars, 7 Armenians, 3 of local origin, 3 from Ingushetia, 2 Uzbeks, and a handful of other nationalities.
The publication of the list erupted outrage in Russia and received criticism from news editors and human rights organizations who claimed that this is the first time that the list of the wealthiest Russians is composed of a majority of non-native citizens and points to the fact that most of the country's wealth is in the hands of "foreigners".
Journalist Nikolai Svanidze, a member of the Public Chamber of Russia, a consultant for the office of President Vladimir Putin, said in response that the list is a "Nazi report" and that the ethnicities of the wealthiest members of Russian society should not be published, as it is "subject to cause issues."
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4587086,00.htmlReplies: @Steve Sailer
My article said 19% of Russian billionaires in 2013 had Jewish surnames.
Putin helped make the Forbes Russia billionaire look more like Russia than in the Yeltsin years, which reduced the chance for anti-Semitism.
BTW, this from the Chinese:
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinRus/status/1497162051973783553?s=20&t=UtpqekUQ9c_cXvODMKRY8gReplies: @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Art Deco
I am not defending US aggression anywhere. But you must understand- there is a fundamental difference between American imperialist violence & most others’. Even when there is no explicit war.
The US didn’t try to extirpate or ethnically cleanse any people in the world. The US didn’t search for Lebensraum anywhere.
With or without war, the following things are viscerally repellent and no sane modern mind would condone them:
* Chinese occupation of Tibet. They want to annihilate this people. Even if they didn’t kill a singe person (and they murdered over 1 million people), the Chinese want to either completely annihilate or marginalize the Tibetans, making them a minority in their own country. The same goes for Uyghurs.
* in the case of Russian minorities like Chukchis or Samoyeds or …, this is not the same. These are small illiterate tribes, similar to Lakotas or Apaches in the US. These small tribal peoples don’t have history and written culture, unlike Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongols, Ukrainians, Georgians, …
So, the US did not commit a classical genocide that is under way in China, or something that Japan tried during WW2 with Koreans. The US is, in many cases, guilty of war crimes, but not of the ultimate crime- genocide, which has been happening in the past, say, 2 centuries all over the world.
Like the American Indian tribes, the Tibetans, Uighurs, etc. are defeated peoples. Their cultures are self-evidently inferior. The Gods of this world, such as they are, have shunned them.
Whatever cannot defend its existence will find itself defeated and extinguished -- and this is how things should be. (And Asia is a crowded real estate market. 6.5 million Tibetans aren't going to maintain sovereignty on all of that land they claim, however inhospitable that land is.)
It's too early to say how things will go for the Ukrainians, but they've been playing a dangerous game, with a pretty bad hand, for a long while now. The Russians are making tactical blunders aplenty, but the strategic blunders that got us all into this mess are Ukrainian and American, for the most part. As usual, China profits.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
I do like satire.
The Lavon Affair
The Liberty
Jonathan Pollard
5 Dancing Israelis on 911
Monica Lewinsky the modern day Esther
Epstein/Maxwell (Mossad) honey trap using underage girls to blackmail ex presidents, politicians, prince douche, celebritards, etc.
Yep, Israel takes billions of US taxpayers money every year and uses our troops to fight and die for muh Israel. Israel is our bestest best friend ever.
Weirdly, the US is guilty of a kind of genocide in its own country—the demographic displacement/dispossession of whites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCUiKsK_XYReplies: @mc23
The US government is committing genocide against its own people, by way of the Great Replacement.
This is confirmed by the UN definition of genocide, which says any policy which deliberately aims to diminish or harm a nation is genocidal.
The US government has no moral superiority over what the Chinese are doing to Tibet. Think of California as Tibet. A place which was once majority White is rapidly being colonized by foreigners and the Whites are becoming a minority in the home they built.
State-sanctioned genocide.
Which, of course, doesn't make it any less criminal. Genocide is genocide--any way you look at it.
Looking back at your 2014 column, then the Trump Administration, I now think that the “embrace Israel to get the world media on your side” strategy won’t work for Putin, because it didn’t work for Trump.
Brit journalist John Sweeney in Kiev on Saturday.
“It’s eerily quiet”.
Mind, Mr Sweeney is a brave guy, but he’s also a journalist who believes in shutting down journalism he doesn’t like.
This topic is not what is the issue here.
The Israelis are just pivoting to the Chinese century. Thanks to the Clinton machinations and adherents to Mackinder’s heartland theory, we gifted the Russians to the Chinese. Rather convenient when you think about it.
Nailed it Steve, now someone tell your politicians.
Is anyone in USA advocating redirecting military aid for Israel to Ukraine?
It’s not genocide, it’s suicide.
We might add, neither did it work for Richard Nixon, who surely did much more for Israel than either Trump or Putin.
Is this a joke? Care to explain how they managed to get all that land then, by being democratic? You ever heard of manifest destiny or where the inspiration of Lebensraum came from.
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, ...and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @JMcG, @neutral, @PhysicistDave
So if your tribe has a history and a written culture, it is inviolable?
Like the American Indian tribes, the Tibetans, Uighurs, etc. are defeated peoples. Their cultures are self-evidently inferior. The Gods of this world, such as they are, have shunned them.
Whatever cannot defend its existence will find itself defeated and extinguished — and this is how things should be. (And Asia is a crowded real estate market. 6.5 million Tibetans aren’t going to maintain sovereignty on all of that land they claim, however inhospitable that land is.)
It’s too early to say how things will go for the Ukrainians, but they’ve been playing a dangerous game, with a pretty bad hand, for a long while now. The Russians are making tactical blunders aplenty, but the strategic blunders that got us all into this mess are Ukrainian and American, for the most part. As usual, China profits.
And why do you think that not-numerous peoples are destined to be defeated? Defeat is simply a state of mind. Chechens number 1.2 M but are undefeated & have, as I write, their own nation-state within Russia, with all that shariah crap, worse than no-go Muslim areas in some major European cities. Asia is a huge continent & a stubborn & intelligent people can defeat any invader, if it possesses the mentality & will.Replies: @Adept
We invaded a country and killed their leader 19 years ago. Who are we to condemn a country invading another for “national security” purposes? The invasion of Ukraine on Russia’s border is a much more justifiable than our invasion of a dung hole 5000 miles away.
Hey, this scenario sounds familiar – a country attacking its neighbor because a hostile third party is sending its proxies weapons to stir up trouble.
https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/durnovo.htm
Here in the UK, the BBC (and all MSM - the Mail is REALLY bad) is getting hysterical enough to start seriously worrying people. Putin is now portrayed on R5 "news" channels as not only evil, but quite possibly insane. A friend was wondering yesterday if she should cancel her proposed and much-postponed foreign holiday.
Woman behind the till in the shop : "Thank God my son's no longer in the Army". She then told me that earlier today a well-dressed middle class woman had cleaned out her stock of plain white candles and bought a lot of batteries, expecting the lights to go out.Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @mc23
What’s the attitude on the ground in Britain?
There is absolutely no war fever here in NYC. Can’t say what the rest of the country is like. It’s a big country. But I sense it’s the same in Kentucky. Please if there are any Kentuckians lurking, correct me.
The only passion I see is on Twitter. The blue-checks are frothing.
This is in direct contrast to 1991 and 2004 – plenty of war fever, yes, whipped up from above, but a lot of it real.
This is my only hope: the average man/woman on the street has become a lot more savvy since 2004.
Will they authorize Iron Dome?
Israel is a sane, pragmatic country that pursues its self interests and looks out for its citizens. Ours is not. Period.
…and that’s it for the ZOG narrative.
Apparently Biden’s ZOG masters haven’t heard from Israel and think they’re still supposed to be anti-Russia? 🤔
Maybe it’s the other way around. Israel hasn’t heard from its ZOG masters, the way they forgot to tell NYPD to stand down during the first night of the Summer of Lurve there, and they went and accidentally suppressed the riots. “Oops, sorry, we didn’t mean to suppress this irrespressible outpouring of public will.”
lol
The story is that Israel is sending humanitarian aid. I am so sick and tired of Big Government, redistributionist policies. It’s bad enough that Israelies have to pay high taxes to fund their crappy, public education system. It’s completely outrageous that their politicians send that money across the sea. How about showing some humanity to taxpayers? Israelis who care to contribute can simply use Venmo.
It was especially disgusting to read that the UJA-Federation of NY will be sending aid. There must be a number of elderly, NYC Jews who are surviving on kosher Alpo, and yet this \$200M per year local “charity” thinks it has a philanthropic role in Uke?! Incidentally, CharityNav reveals that the CEO/CIO/EVP of that professional moocher society make \$579K/\$696K/\$828K. Outrageous.
Once I needed some help from my local (not NYC) federation. It had a small truckload of boxes of fresh fruit left over from one of its large events. I asked for a doggy bag. An official said ‘No. The agency had other plans for the bananas.’ (Can you believe this?) My sense was that the federation was planning to sell the leftovers for cash, to some immigrant street vendors and grocery stores. Meanwhile, the federation represents, to its Trump-hating, left-wing donors, that 90% of contributions go directly to pay for programs.
“Let’s hope the conflict doesn’t spread that we end up with a stream of refugees from Iceland.”
I guess Keflavik might be a target (like the UK, Iceland is another unsinkable aircraft carrier) and it’s not terribly far (25 miles?) from the vast majority of Iceland’s population in the Rejkjavik area.
The good news is prevailing winds are easterly, blowing fallout into the North Atlantic, though it’s hard to predict weather for any given day.
Spoilers below.
In the novel, Soviet Russia invades West Germany under some pretext of being dissed by them, but it is really a feint to take over the Mideast Oil fields after an Islamic terrorist attack takes out the core of Russia's own oil infrastructure. The conflict does not "go nuclear", but Americans are at the pointy end of the NATO spear resisting the invasion of German territory.
To blunt America's relief and resupply of NATO forces, Russia conducts an amphibious operation to capture Iceland, which serves as an unsinkable aircraft carrier to put the hurt on Americas sinkable aircraft carriers. The only toehold the US has left in Iceland is a plucky Air Force meteorologist with a sat phone (not Jack Ryan, for once) and a ragtag band of Air Police, US Marines and British Falklands veterans who are parachuted in to help out.
Meteorologist dude "white knights" a young Icelandic woman who is being assaulted by a Russian platoon in her parent's farmhouse after killing her parents. He summarily executes the Russians caught literally with their pants down and burns down the farmhouse and rescues the fair lass, who also happens to be expecting the child of her boyfriend, who lost interest in the relationship, which is not an unusual situation in Iceland if you belief Clancy's ethnography. The dudes on the other end of the sat phone tell Air Force Meteorologist that this will only end up with a brigade strength of Russians chasing them, and this scene in the novel is the closest Clancy ever gets to a serious ethical conundrum in his techno-thriller genre. You know, the war crime committed by the Russians, the Air Force dude's summary "justice" and the thought that if they were trying to save the world from disaster, the rag tag band should have left the daughter at the mercies of the Russians and focus on completing their ad-hoc intelligence gathering mission to allow a NATO counter amphibious assault to Save the World.
Icelandic lady saves the Western World by knowing the local geography and helping this band escape and evade until the Russians catch up with them just as the cavalry arrives for them. The wounded Air Force dude is medevaced and the crew chief of the C-9 "Nightengale" jet is shamed into letting a preggers civilian board to accompany Air Force dude because she and Air Force dude single-handedly saved the world from an eventual nuclear escalation, but then you have the problem of Scandinavian primitives whose customs hark back to Eric the Red enter American cities at the behest of Lutheran Social Services.
BTW, this from the Chinese:
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinRus/status/1497162051973783553?s=20&t=UtpqekUQ9c_cXvODMKRY8gReplies: @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Art Deco
This article has more details on that statement.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220648.shtml
When have they ever not done a “double act”. It’s called “Let the goyim take the hit”. Ukraine’s Jewish population, according to the State Department report from 2019 is 0.1%
To understand how Israel will behave one has to understand that an irreversible paradigm shift has just occurred. Russia has not merely been sanctioned, it has been trade embargoed and declared a pariah state. It is currently illegal for global corporations to export machine tools, replacement parts for aircraft, industrial machinery, electronics, power plants and everything else you can think of. China may be able to smuggle a few things to Russia here and there despite the sanctions but it would do it on the margins, as it knows it is at least one or two decades away from being in a position to break with the West entirely and afford loss of markets, investment, technology and so on.
This means Russia will over the coming years start to unravel at the seams and slowly collapse to a pre-industrial society like Iran. It will be way worse than in the 90s, when Russia was being looted but not in the process of being starved into submission as is in effect happening today. This is terrible for the Russian populace, but an amazing opportunity for cunning business minded folks such as Israelis. Israeli “friendship” with Russia is of course merely empty, cost-less posturing to place Israelis first in queue to exploit the collapsing Russian nation.
The Russians will be desperate for hard currency and technology imports and Israelis will be able to provide them in exchange for Russian assets at an unheard of ratio in favor of the Israelis. Being Israelis, they will get away with circumventing sanctions without a peep from the USA puppet regime and media. It is only a matter of time before the current Slav-centered Russian regime is forced into capitulation and Russia is welcomed back to the global fold under “new management” at which point the Russian assets acquired by Israelis during the sanction period will skyrocket in value.
It must also be mentioned that Israel is the global capital of the bustling trade in Slavic women. With the crushing of the Russian economy, an unprecedented wave of Russians will be seeking to escape the hopeless poverty that is already beginning to be their lot. Israeli human traffickers will be well positioned to tap into this growing supply of young Russian beauties by bring them to Israel for processing and then shipping them out to global markets for good profit.
This, in short, is entirely why Israel is being such a loyal “friend” to Russia. “Nations don’t have friends, only interests.”
Israel is a big businnes partner of RF in all kinds of things. Like, diamonds cartels , etc.
It also is probably a laundromate for some Russian Oligarchs, and a refugee heaven for others.
These businnes ties are probably why Israel refrained from open anti-Putin actions so far. Despite a pressure from Ukraine Jews who are a large faction there, and who retain their Ukraine allegiances.
There is absolutely no war fever here in NYC. Can't say what the rest of the country is like. It's a big country. But I sense it's the same in Kentucky. Please if there are any Kentuckians lurking, correct me.
The only passion I see is on Twitter. The blue-checks are frothing.
This is in direct contrast to 1991 and 2004 - plenty of war fever, yes, whipped up from above, but a lot of it real.
This is my only hope: the average man/woman on the street has become a lot more savvy since 2004.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
“What’s the attitude on the ground in Britain?”
The older generation, brought up on WW2 stories, are definitely swallowing the “Putin = Hitler” line.
In the UK, Hitlers are like buses – there’s one comes along every ten years or so. The first I can (just) remember was Gamal Abdel Nasser, the last before this was Assad, before him Saddam.
Yeah, same here.
But from what you're saying I don't feel any massive war fever.
Here: all posturing. If Twitter didn't exist no one would be aware of it.
Like the American Indian tribes, the Tibetans, Uighurs, etc. are defeated peoples. Their cultures are self-evidently inferior. The Gods of this world, such as they are, have shunned them.
Whatever cannot defend its existence will find itself defeated and extinguished -- and this is how things should be. (And Asia is a crowded real estate market. 6.5 million Tibetans aren't going to maintain sovereignty on all of that land they claim, however inhospitable that land is.)
It's too early to say how things will go for the Ukrainians, but they've been playing a dangerous game, with a pretty bad hand, for a long while now. The Russians are making tactical blunders aplenty, but the strategic blunders that got us all into this mess are Ukrainian and American, for the most part. As usual, China profits.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
And Mongols are not? Because they have their own nation-state.
And why do you think that not-numerous peoples are destined to be defeated? Defeat is simply a state of mind. Chechens number 1.2 M but are undefeated & have, as I write, their own nation-state within Russia, with all that shariah crap, worse than no-go Muslim areas in some major European cities. Asia is a huge continent & a stubborn & intelligent people can defeat any invader, if it possesses the mentality & will.
Unlike the Tibetans, the Mongolians are a famously martial people, and the Chinese seem to have feared them in a sort of reflexive or instinctual way. (This is, of course, no longer the case, and these days more Mongols live in China than live in Mongolia.)
War is in fact the truest form of divination, and the Mongols have shown that they are a favored race, whereas the Tibetans have proven themselves worthy of nothing but extinction. They continue to live -- this, after all, isn't the Bronze Age -- and for that they should thank the mercy of their conquerors. I think that most of them actually do. Tibetan Independence is mostly an expat and baizuo thing. Actual Tibetans are all about the gibs.
Anyway, all nations that exist, large or small, are "winners." The "losers" are your Uighurs, American Indians, Inuit, Tibetans, Palestinians, Carthaginians, Cathars, and so forth. (A very, very long list. On historical timescales, losers far outnumber winners. Of course, on a long enough time-scall all nations will become decadent, rotten --- and will be defeated. No nation will last five thousand years, and yet five thousand is quite a small number. I'm not sure I give the USA another fifty, to say nothing of five thousand!)Replies: @Brutusale, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
“Hitlers are like buses”
Yeah, same here.
But from what you’re saying I don’t feel any massive war fever.
Here: all posturing. If Twitter didn’t exist no one would be aware of it.
This has nothing to do with civilized peoples; it happened in the 19th C; the US did not try to eradicate Indian peoples who, by the way, did not have a sense of well defined borders of their peoples, but were Stone-age nomads; US gave huge reservations, potential nation-states to various tribes, which showed themselves to be incapable of doing anything- for instance, why didn’t Lakotas do anything to establish a school system in their language, modern education etc.?
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, …and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.
US actually had waged numerous wars against its Ijuns. Fater of Dougout Doug made his post- civil War career there. Not that I like much the Injuns cause, but it is a hard fact, they did suffer from US military allright.
The tales about Chechzs suffering from German occupation , Its like "citations needed" . The Chechzs were living under a German Monarchy for centuries and did not mind it at all.Replies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @Prester John
He didn’t intend to see Germany starve again as they did in 1916-1920 under British blockade. That didn’t really work out so well for him. Or the Slavs.Replies: @Art Deco
Perhaps it is not so wise for you to write about American history?
Maybe you could try reading some books first?
I guess Keflavik might be a target (like the UK, Iceland is another unsinkable aircraft carrier) and it's not terribly far (25 miles?) from the vast majority of Iceland's population in the Rejkjavik area.
The good news is prevailing winds are easterly, blowing fallout into the North Atlantic, though it's hard to predict weather for any given day.Replies: @Inquiring Mind
The current world situation is the closest we have been to the scenario in Tom Clancy’s Red Storm Rising.
Spoilers below.
In the novel, Soviet Russia invades West Germany under some pretext of being dissed by them, but it is really a feint to take over the Mideast Oil fields after an Islamic terrorist attack takes out the core of Russia’s own oil infrastructure. The conflict does not “go nuclear”, but Americans are at the pointy end of the NATO spear resisting the invasion of German territory.
To blunt America’s relief and resupply of NATO forces, Russia conducts an amphibious operation to capture Iceland, which serves as an unsinkable aircraft carrier to put the hurt on Americas sinkable aircraft carriers. The only toehold the US has left in Iceland is a plucky Air Force meteorologist with a sat phone (not Jack Ryan, for once) and a ragtag band of Air Police, US Marines and British Falklands veterans who are parachuted in to help out.
Meteorologist dude “white knights” a young Icelandic woman who is being assaulted by a Russian platoon in her parent’s farmhouse after killing her parents. He summarily executes the Russians caught literally with their pants down and burns down the farmhouse and rescues the fair lass, who also happens to be expecting the child of her boyfriend, who lost interest in the relationship, which is not an unusual situation in Iceland if you belief Clancy’s ethnography. The dudes on the other end of the sat phone tell Air Force Meteorologist that this will only end up with a brigade strength of Russians chasing them, and this scene in the novel is the closest Clancy ever gets to a serious ethical conundrum in his techno-thriller genre. You know, the war crime committed by the Russians, the Air Force dude’s summary “justice” and the thought that if they were trying to save the world from disaster, the rag tag band should have left the daughter at the mercies of the Russians and focus on completing their ad-hoc intelligence gathering mission to allow a NATO counter amphibious assault to Save the World.
Icelandic lady saves the Western World by knowing the local geography and helping this band escape and evade until the Russians catch up with them just as the cavalry arrives for them. The wounded Air Force dude is medevaced and the crew chief of the C-9 “Nightengale” jet is shamed into letting a preggers civilian board to accompany Air Force dude because she and Air Force dude single-handedly saved the world from an eventual nuclear escalation, but then you have the problem of Scandinavian primitives whose customs hark back to Eric the Red enter American cities at the behest of Lutheran Social Services.
And this is a problem?
The Liberty
Jonathan Pollard
5 Dancing Israelis on 911
Monica Lewinsky the modern day Esther
Epstein/Maxwell (Mossad) honey trap using underage girls to blackmail ex presidents, politicians, prince douche, celebritards, etc.
Yep, Israel takes billions of US taxpayers money every year and uses our troops to fight and die for muh Israel. Israel is our bestest best friend ever.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
I think in his Snowden book Glenn Greenwald says Israel is the third biggest spying effort against the US after China and Russia, both much larger countries.
Israel’s been under fire lately for its never ending occupation of the West Bank, so they probably feel it’s wise to not comment about Putin’s takeover of the Ukraine.
In addition to unilaterially withdrawing from the Gaza Strip, they've attempted to off-load the West Bank twice in the last 25 years,. Both attempts were unsuccessful because Al-Fatah is not interested in the West Bank (or, more precisely, in acquiring the portions they do not already rule) if the deal doesn't include something referred to as 'the right of return', i.e. the right of a fuzzily defined seven-digit population of Arabs to settle in Israel at their discretion. They don't want the West Bank. They want dead Jews.
https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/durnovo.htm
Here in the UK, the BBC (and all MSM - the Mail is REALLY bad) is getting hysterical enough to start seriously worrying people. Putin is now portrayed on R5 "news" channels as not only evil, but quite possibly insane. A friend was wondering yesterday if she should cancel her proposed and much-postponed foreign holiday.
Woman behind the till in the shop : "Thank God my son's no longer in the Army". She then told me that earlier today a well-dressed middle class woman had cleaned out her stock of plain white candles and bought a lot of batteries, expecting the lights to go out.Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @mc23
Me. And that wasn’t just a random official: he was the head of the Okhrana, the Tsarist secret police. Like Beria and Andropov after him (both of whom would give warnings about the USSR that were also ignored until it was too late), he was probably in more of a position than anybody else in Russia to truly understand the country’s position relative to the rest of the world, stripped of illusions. To say nothing of the country’s true domestic strength and the regime’s position. Durnovo had done his work of causing the revolutionary underground to nearly implode, but he was just the policeman: he couldn’t force the regime under Nicholas to unscrew itself.
Durnovo was the guy who basically bailed the regime out in 1905 so that Stolypin could try his reforms in the first place. That was a mess that had its roots in a failed warm where the government grossly overestimated itself, underestimated the enemy, and thought that foreign wars were a good way of avoiding having to address their own failures, both to their own people and in adapting to a changing world. Remind you of anyone and their unwillingness to treat their own people as adults who might have legitimate grievances?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220648.shtmlReplies: @nebulafox
>1. Major Aggressive Wars Waged by the United States after World War II
(1) The Korean War.
And we’re done here.
I was amused by this ChiCom movie about how THIS was the way the PLA was to fight US "aggression." Was not explained how the Korean War started in 1950.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X7nbwFxGRU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Xijin#Personal_life
Agree. Living as we do in the Empire of Lies, it’s hard to keep up with the endless re-definition of words.
Thanks for the laugh.
I do like satire.
This video explains why Russia does not feel terribly threatened by the sanctions. It is the oil and gas stupid. Specifically the huge gas reserves found in the northern Black Sea in 2012 which would have been enough to make Ukraine a Petro State.
Seizing the Crimea made all that offshore gas around the Crimea Russia’s gas. And it is looking like Russia will seize the rest of the remaining gas when it takes the remainder of Ukraine’s seashore. After Putin seized Crimea, Shell and Exxon backed out of deals with Ukraine.
And during the winter Olympics, Putin made a deal with Xi. A really big one. China will now get Russian gas and oil. And probably China will take Taiwan.
Putin now owns the Black Sea and lots of shipping that went through the Black Sea to Europe won’t be going that way.
Russia is not in the trouble the west wants us to believe.
This video had 3.4 million views yesterday. It now has 4.8 million today.
https://pages.uoregon.edu/kimball/durnovo.htm
Here in the UK, the BBC (and all MSM - the Mail is REALLY bad) is getting hysterical enough to start seriously worrying people. Putin is now portrayed on R5 "news" channels as not only evil, but quite possibly insane. A friend was wondering yesterday if she should cancel her proposed and much-postponed foreign holiday.
Woman behind the till in the shop : "Thank God my son's no longer in the Army". She then told me that earlier today a well-dressed middle class woman had cleaned out her stock of plain white candles and bought a lot of batteries, expecting the lights to go out.Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @mc23
Count Sergei Yulyevich who designed Russia’s first constitution and considered one of the key figures in Russian politics at the turn of the 20th century begged the Czar not to go to war. He felt an Imperial Russia interests lay with Imperial Germany and the Austro-Hungargian Empire not democracies. Nicholas dismissed him as evil.
It was the British blockage that eventually defeated Germany. Lack of food and raw materials compelled Imperial Germany to try and use unrestricted submarine warefare as a counter measure which lead to the United States becoming involved.
With access to Russian food and raw materials Germany would never have been beaten.
Three empires, two run by fools and another by a dodering old man lead to the greatest catastrophe in modern history.
Now political pundits say, hey lets attack that Russian armor column. Is a Russian armor column worth a Naval Carrier task force? We should remind these idiots the Ukraine is accepting volunteers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCUiKsK_XYReplies: @mc23
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And why do you think that not-numerous peoples are destined to be defeated? Defeat is simply a state of mind. Chechens number 1.2 M but are undefeated & have, as I write, their own nation-state within Russia, with all that shariah crap, worse than no-go Muslim areas in some major European cities. Asia is a huge continent & a stubborn & intelligent people can defeat any invader, if it possesses the mentality & will.Replies: @Adept
The Mongols didn’t exactly get handed a nation-state; they carved it out, they were prepared to fight China for it in 1911, they waged an internal civil war in 1921 with White Russians on one side and Soviets on the other, and they’ve been playing Russia off China, and vice-versa, ever since.
Unlike the Tibetans, the Mongolians are a famously martial people, and the Chinese seem to have feared them in a sort of reflexive or instinctual way. (This is, of course, no longer the case, and these days more Mongols live in China than live in Mongolia.)
War is in fact the truest form of divination, and the Mongols have shown that they are a favored race, whereas the Tibetans have proven themselves worthy of nothing but extinction. They continue to live — this, after all, isn’t the Bronze Age — and for that they should thank the mercy of their conquerors. I think that most of them actually do. Tibetan Independence is mostly an expat and baizuo thing. Actual Tibetans are all about the gibs.
Anyway, all nations that exist, large or small, are “winners.” The “losers” are your Uighurs, American Indians, Inuit, Tibetans, Palestinians, Carthaginians, Cathars, and so forth. (A very, very long list. On historical timescales, losers far outnumber winners. Of course, on a long enough time-scall all nations will become decadent, rotten — and will be defeated. No nation will last five thousand years, and yet five thousand is quite a small number. I’m not sure I give the USA another fifty, to say nothing of five thousand!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8dCGIm6yc
A little soundtrack to ride off to war with.
The Tibetan Empire once sacked Tang China's capital Chang'an (modern day Xi'an)--
https://imgur.com/Fn0X8G4
Tibetic Tangut Western Xia was a North Asian behemoth:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance
Like many Mongols, Tibetan's martial instincts softened with adoption of Lamaism. And became an easy mark for the British and Russians during the Great Game,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_TibetReplies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Israel’s been under fire lately for its never ending occupation of the West Bank,
In addition to unilaterially withdrawing from the Gaza Strip, they’ve attempted to off-load the West Bank twice in the last 25 years,. Both attempts were unsuccessful because Al-Fatah is not interested in the West Bank (or, more precisely, in acquiring the portions they do not already rule) if the deal doesn’t include something referred to as ‘the right of return’, i.e. the right of a fuzzily defined seven-digit population of Arabs to settle in Israel at their discretion. They don’t want the West Bank. They want dead Jews.
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, ...and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @JMcG, @neutral, @PhysicistDave
So, was it justified for Ukraine to forbid Russians (which are 50-70 percent of the populace there) to legally and officially forbid them education in their own national language?
US actually had waged numerous wars against its Ijuns. Fater of Dougout Doug made his post- civil War career there. Not that I like much the Injuns cause, but it is a hard fact, they did suffer from US military allright.
The tales about Chechzs suffering from German occupation , Its like “citations needed” . The Chechzs were living under a German Monarchy for centuries and did not mind it at all.
Russians were 17% of the population prior to the loss of the Crimea. Russian is commonly spoken among Ukrainians.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Do you mean ETHNIC Russians? That number sounds way high. I don't think the percentage is anywhere near 50%, let alone 70%.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
As to trade in Slavic Woman, Ukraine has long outcompeted rest of the World.
Israel is a big businnes partner of RF in all kinds of things. Like, diamonds cartels , etc.
It also is probably a laundromate for some Russian Oligarchs, and a refugee heaven for others.
These businnes ties are probably why Israel refrained from open anti-Putin actions so far. Despite a pressure from Ukraine Jews who are a large faction there, and who retain their Ukraine allegiances.
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, ...and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @JMcG, @neutral, @PhysicistDave
You may think so, and I may think so, but Hitler seems to have felt that the US policy of westward expansion was a good example of a nation seeking to fill its natural borders. I’ll see if I can find a cite. His lebensraum was to be sought in the east, basically the territories that Germany had gotten at Brest-Litovsk. He doesn’t seem to have felt that the Slavs were any more advanced than our own native tribes. Untermenschen, if you will.
He didn’t intend to see Germany starve again as they did in 1916-1920 under British blockade. That didn’t really work out so well for him. Or the Slavs.
It doesn't matter what he 'felt'. The North American continent was quite lightly populated with disconnected aboriginal bands who lived by a mixture of hunting and gathering, pastoralism, and slash-and-burn agriculture. The aboriginal population of the United States was 340,000 in 1860. Poland, Czechosovakia, White Russia, and the Ukraine had a total population of 90,000,000 in 1930. These places were comprehensively settled, had notable cities, had full territorial political organization, and had a population engaged in agriculture, industry, and services.
They’d be fools too. Elements of it might just end up in Russian hands.
Even Switzerland is joining in on sanctions – freezing Russian assets.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/world/europe/switzerland-russian-assets-freeze.html
US actually had waged numerous wars against its Ijuns. Fater of Dougout Doug made his post- civil War career there. Not that I like much the Injuns cause, but it is a hard fact, they did suffer from US military allright.
The tales about Chechzs suffering from German occupation , Its like "citations needed" . The Chechzs were living under a German Monarchy for centuries and did not mind it at all.Replies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @Prester John
So, was it justified for Ukraine to forbid Russians (which are 50-70 percent of the populace there) to legally and officially forbid them education in their own national language?
Russians were 17% of the population prior to the loss of the Crimea. Russian is commonly spoken among Ukrainians.
You read it in The Collapse of the Soviet Military by William E. Odom.
In 1898, “the Imperial General Staff proudly reported to the tsar that between 1700 and 1870 the army had fought thirty-eight wars, all but two of them offensive.”
He didn’t intend to see Germany starve again as they did in 1916-1920 under British blockade. That didn’t really work out so well for him. Or the Slavs.Replies: @Art Deco
You may think so, and I may think so, but Hitler seems to have felt that the US policy of westward expansion was a good example of a nation seeking to fill its natural borders. I’ll see if I can find a cite. His lebensraum was to be sought in the east, basically the territories that Germany had gotten at Brest-Litovsk. He doesn’t seem to have felt that the Slavs were any more advanced than our own native tribes. Untermenschen, if you will.
It doesn’t matter what he ‘felt’. The North American continent was quite lightly populated with disconnected aboriginal bands who lived by a mixture of hunting and gathering, pastoralism, and slash-and-burn agriculture. The aboriginal population of the United States was 340,000 in 1860. Poland, Czechosovakia, White Russia, and the Ukraine had a total population of 90,000,000 in 1930. These places were comprehensively settled, had notable cities, had full territorial political organization, and had a population engaged in agriculture, industry, and services.
In 1898, "the Imperial General Staff proudly reported to the tsar that between 1700 and 1870 the army had fought thirty-eight wars, all but two of them offensive."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross
Thanks!
I've been trying to track down the original source of the Lloyd George anecdote. No luck so far.
Here is Odom's footnote:Replies: @Steve Sailer
Israel will trade getting the US to back off for Russia agreeing to let her have her little way with Syria.
You’re welcome.
I’ve been trying to track down the original source of the Lloyd George anecdote. No luck so far.
It’s like the latest coinage, “allyship”.
You enroll to be an ally of ‘marginalized’ groups; thereafter it’s demanded that you put yourself out for underachieving blacks. Just don’t expect them to give a damn about any of your concerns, or to even say thank you.
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, ...and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @JMcG, @neutral, @PhysicistDave
Utter rubbish, the US government really did eradicate entire peoples.
Israel is hedging its bets. And who can blame them in their precarious position as the pariah of the Middle East.
While Israeli leadership may be a despicable bunch of racist miscreants, they are not stupid and realize that Israel continues to exist only by the grace of US support.
Once US influence in the region sufficiently collapses – and it is only a matter of time, they will have Russia and only Russia to rely upon in order to survive or to provide them a path to exodus. And Russia will be only too happy to oblige, with conditions of course.
Russian paratroopers landing at Ben Gurion – welcomed with open arms – is an entirely plausible scenario that has already been gamed and accepted by Israeli planners as a means of ensuring the survival of Jews in Israel once the US becomes too weak to effectively support them.
And only a fool would believe that the US will be able to guarantee Israel’s survival for any more than 5 – 10 years at the most. Naturally, under such conditions, humbling compromises will have to be made.
The payoff, for Russia, as I have always maintained, is the intellectual resources of Israel. Israel has no other bargaining chip.
Even the Israelis wouldn’t be able to keep a straight face expressing disapproval of a country taking territory off a neighbour by military force
US actually had waged numerous wars against its Ijuns. Fater of Dougout Doug made his post- civil War career there. Not that I like much the Injuns cause, but it is a hard fact, they did suffer from US military allright.
The tales about Chechzs suffering from German occupation , Its like "citations needed" . The Chechzs were living under a German Monarchy for centuries and did not mind it at all.Replies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @Prester John
There isn’t anyone anywhere who “doesn’t mind” being ruled by foreigners. The Habsburgs were elected to the Crowns of the Elective Monarchies of Hungary and Bohemia in return for their services of holding off the Moslems. Trouble was, they wouldn’t leave.
In fact being ruled by foreigners is rather a norm. People cannot stand to be ruled by same guy next door. Aliens are much less offending in this respect.
Unlike the Tibetans, the Mongolians are a famously martial people, and the Chinese seem to have feared them in a sort of reflexive or instinctual way. (This is, of course, no longer the case, and these days more Mongols live in China than live in Mongolia.)
War is in fact the truest form of divination, and the Mongols have shown that they are a favored race, whereas the Tibetans have proven themselves worthy of nothing but extinction. They continue to live -- this, after all, isn't the Bronze Age -- and for that they should thank the mercy of their conquerors. I think that most of them actually do. Tibetan Independence is mostly an expat and baizuo thing. Actual Tibetans are all about the gibs.
Anyway, all nations that exist, large or small, are "winners." The "losers" are your Uighurs, American Indians, Inuit, Tibetans, Palestinians, Carthaginians, Cathars, and so forth. (A very, very long list. On historical timescales, losers far outnumber winners. Of course, on a long enough time-scall all nations will become decadent, rotten --- and will be defeated. No nation will last five thousand years, and yet five thousand is quite a small number. I'm not sure I give the USA another fifty, to say nothing of five thousand!)Replies: @Brutusale, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
The Mongols also have a metal scene.
A little soundtrack to ride off to war with.
It is completely different from Nazi Germans trying to suppress Czech existence, culture & identity in Prague, or Communist Chinese denying the possibility of the Tibetans to have their university in the Tibetan language. Tibetan visual & written culture is long & rich, they have epics, stories, philosophy, ...and they are forbidden to have an educational system in their own national language, which is the safest way to destroy a civilized people.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @JMcG, @neutral, @PhysicistDave
Bardon Kaldian wrote:
Some Amerindian tribes were agriculturalists, BK.
Perhaps it is not so wise for you to write about American history?
Maybe you could try reading some books first?
Israel acquired the West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem, and the Golan in 1967. The situation, which including the neighboring Arab states forming a military alliance, the Egyptian government ejecting UN troops from a buffer zone, and the casus belli of the Egyptian government shutting the Straits of Tiran, was a project of Gamal Abdel Nasser which the governments of Syria and Jordan stupidly joined. Worked out rather badly for the Arab states. In the aftermath, the Arab states hold a conference at Khartoum at the conclusion of which is a communiqué stating they would not negotiate a settlement with Israel. Then Egypt conducted a campaign of cross-border attacks in 1969-70. When the costs incurred from Israeli retaliation were too much, they called that off and bided their time, attacking Israel again in 1973, this time with Syria as an ally.
So, how does Egypt secure the return of the Sinai in 1982? They actually bargain for it, something Syria has been unwilling to do in regard to the Golan for more than fifty years. Israel withdrew unilaterally from the Gaza strip in 2004. That leaves the Arab segments of greater Jerusalem and the West Bank, which Israel has attempted to off-load twice in the last 25 years. (Jordan doesn’t want the territory and the Arab political bosses on the West Bank won’t consent to a settlement that does not require Israel to cut its own throat).
Do you people just not know anything?
After Syria's attack in 1967, Israel won it and -- after the laws of war -- get to keep it.The Golan Heights are a nice place now.
Which ‘entire peoples’? It’s not unusual for Indian tribes to have two and three digit populations.
The most interesting thing about what we have been told about Hitler’s “Lebensraum” is that while he referenced it repeatedly – it is after all a Germanic cultural archetype that dates back to Frederick the Great – he never made any of his usual meticulous plans to obtain such territory, or to populate or govern it. This plan of “living space” was in truth “survival space”, the necessary expansion of Germany’s capacity to feed herself so her people would never again be decimated by foreign enemies. Unable to defeat the German army in World War I, Churchill’s Admiralty established what it called a “starvation blockade” of Germany, which resulted in the deaths of nearly a million civilians on the home front. And it continued for four solid months after the German army laid down its arms, to force acceptance of the humiliating Versailles Treaty
We’re told Hitler attacked the Soviets in 1941 to achieve this goal, but where exactly were all these German settlers going to come from? There was an acute labor shortage in Germany in 1941, to the extent that the government was trying to attract a million foreign workers to the Reich. The war with England was failing, and a new war with an increasingly belligerent United States was clearly on the near horizon. And Stalin was massing a huge army on Europe’s eastern border, poised to attack. In addition, Germany was actively resettling German pioneers in Posen and other German territory that was seized from her in 1919 to create Poland. Hitler estimated this project would take forty to fifty years to complete, quite exhausting the German state’s limited resources for planned expansion. There were simply no more resources to spare for homesteading, as imperial powers outnumbering Germany by more than fifteen to one gathered their forces to annihilate the German revolution.
I would categorize the GR as more in the nature of an attempt at cultural genocide –which is not dissimilar from what the English did to the Irish.
Which, of course, doesn’t make it any less criminal. Genocide is genocide–any way you look at it.
US actually had waged numerous wars against its Ijuns. Fater of Dougout Doug made his post- civil War career there. Not that I like much the Injuns cause, but it is a hard fact, they did suffer from US military allright.
The tales about Chechzs suffering from German occupation , Its like "citations needed" . The Chechzs were living under a German Monarchy for centuries and did not mind it at all.Replies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @Prester John
“Russians (which are 50-70 percent of the populace”
Do you mean ETHNIC Russians? That number sounds way high. I don’t think the percentage is anywhere near 50%, let alone 70%.
Russia was also invaded by the Swedes, then a major military power, in the early 1700’s- it went like the other invasions did, initial success followed by crushing defeat.
Al Stewart, who is very underrated in my opinion, wrote not one, but two songs about western invasions of Russia- “Roads to Moscow”, set during WWII, and “The Coldest Winter”, about Charles XII’s invasion. Interestingly the melody of “The Coldest Winter” scans precisely to the Esias Tegner poem ”Kung Karl, den Unga Hjälte”. (King Charles, the Young Hero)
Kung Karl, den unge hjälte,
Han stod i rök och damm.
Han drog sitt svärd från bälte
Och bröt i striden fram.
”Hur svenska stålet biter,
Kom, låt oss pröva på!
Ur vägen, moskoviter!
Friskt mod, I gossar blå!”
Four eagles fell, not three: don’t forget Ottoman Turkey’s implosion. That had effects on the Middle East we’re still seeing today.
>It was the British blockage that eventually defeated Germany.
The irony here is that the British financial situation was so bad by 1917 that if the Germans could have just avoided getting the US involved, they would have stood a pretty good chance at getting a compromise deal. People don’t understand just how close the British state was to being out of money before the US completely changed everything. We’re talking weeks, maybe a couple months maximum. With the Eastern and Balkan fronts closed in what was by any standard Central Powers victory (and peace terms that made Versailles look insignificant by comparison), and Italy crushed in the Caporetto Offensive, you just had the Western Front left. And without the US entering, there’s no reason for the Germans to deviate from the defensive strategy of 1917 in favor of the disastrous 1918 offensives. The whole reason for that was because the Germans knew their goose was cooked if they didn’t finish things up before the Americans landed. It didn’t matter how poorly trained they were compared to the British or French or themselves: they were well-fed, supplied and just *there* while their own soldiers lacked the physical energy to move forward due to starvation. No American intervention, they can just sit tight in their superior trench networks and fight the defensive battles that worked well for them in 1917.
The Germans and Austro-Hungarians were starving to death, but the British were broke and the French were bled white to the point of mutiny in 1917. Everybody would have been looking at the prospect of social collapse. Some kind of compromise deal would have had to have been struck, and I suspect that the Germans would have been desperate enough to be flexible in the West in exchange for an end to the blockade after getting such a windfall in the East.
Kung Karl, den unge hjälte,
Han stod i rök och damm.
Han drog sitt svärd från bälte
Och bröt i striden fram.
”Hur svenska stålet biter,
Kom, låt oss pröva på!
Ur vägen, moskoviter!
Friskt mod, I gossar blå!”Replies: @nebulafox
The Time of Troubles saw the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth occupy Moscow. Rumors that the Poles were going to force Catholicism on everybody resulted in what happened next.
See Generalplan Ost:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
The Nazis knew they didn’t have enough Germans, so they were planning to also take Nordic-looking non-Germans to settle the East.
Unlike the Tibetans, the Mongolians are a famously martial people, and the Chinese seem to have feared them in a sort of reflexive or instinctual way. (This is, of course, no longer the case, and these days more Mongols live in China than live in Mongolia.)
War is in fact the truest form of divination, and the Mongols have shown that they are a favored race, whereas the Tibetans have proven themselves worthy of nothing but extinction. They continue to live -- this, after all, isn't the Bronze Age -- and for that they should thank the mercy of their conquerors. I think that most of them actually do. Tibetan Independence is mostly an expat and baizuo thing. Actual Tibetans are all about the gibs.
Anyway, all nations that exist, large or small, are "winners." The "losers" are your Uighurs, American Indians, Inuit, Tibetans, Palestinians, Carthaginians, Cathars, and so forth. (A very, very long list. On historical timescales, losers far outnumber winners. Of course, on a long enough time-scall all nations will become decadent, rotten --- and will be defeated. No nation will last five thousand years, and yet five thousand is quite a small number. I'm not sure I give the USA another fifty, to say nothing of five thousand!)Replies: @Brutusale, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
China almost became a part of Tibet, but won this battle in 4th CE, in a major upset that mirrored Battle of Tours.
The Tibetan Empire once sacked Tang China’s capital Chang’an (modern day Xi’an)–
Tibetic Tangut Western Xia was a North Asian behemoth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance
Like many Mongols, Tibetan’s martial instincts softened with adoption of Lamaism. And became an easy mark for the British and Russians during the Great Game,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet
https://imgur.com/nzboaii
The modern Uyghur identity is astroturfed with Soviet backing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_XinjiangReplies: @Reg Cæsar
The Tibetan Empire once sacked Tang China's capital Chang'an (modern day Xi'an)--
https://imgur.com/Fn0X8G4
Tibetic Tangut Western Xia was a North Asian behemoth:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance
Like many Mongols, Tibetan's martial instincts softened with adoption of Lamaism. And became an easy mark for the British and Russians during the Great Game,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_TibetReplies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
The Uyghur Khaganate is only semi-related to modern Uyghurs.
The modern Uyghur identity is astroturfed with Soviet backing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Xinjiang
https://youtu.be/dFzhjnjXc2o&t=0m23sReplies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
I was amused by this ChiCom movie about how THIS was the way the PLA was to fight US “aggression.” Was not explained how the Korean War started in 1950.
In the 30 some years Syria ‘owned’ the Golan they did with it nothing but shell Israeli farmers below.
After Syria’s attack in 1967, Israel won it and — after the laws of war — get to keep it.
The Golan Heights are a nice place now.
In 1898, "the Imperial General Staff proudly reported to the tsar that between 1700 and 1870 the army had fought thirty-eight wars, all but two of them offensive."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross
Odom was an interesting guy. Long, solid career, critic of the Iraq disaster, and managed to smuggle Solzhenitsyn’s archives out of the Soviet Union.
You can see a snippet of it on google books in his source, Richard Pipes.
Here is Odom’s footnote:
Does anyone else get the impression that Revolver and RedState are taking opposite sides in this whole Great Russia-Little Russia kerfuffle?
What’s Drudge doing?
https://imgur.com/nzboaii
The modern Uyghur identity is astroturfed with Soviet backing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_XinjiangReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Maybe, but they sure ain’t Chinese either. Uyghurs Uobble, but they don’t fall down.
The Han race can be said to be since times of yore, an ethnogenesis of Altaic/Indo-European nomads, Tibetic herders, and Sinitic agarians. Mandarin is a portmanteau for 滿大人 mǎndàrēn "Manchu Great Official" (Mandarin is standardized based on the accent of the Manchu rulers attempting to speak Northern Chinese dialect)
The speculated successor to Xi is Hu Chunhua 胡春華:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_Chinese_leadership#Sixth_generation
...who would be the first PRC leader to speak Tibetanhttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Chunhua
Perhaps we could distract Russia by reasserting our claim to Wrangel Island. We can offer to help set up a Jurassic Park or Saileresque Kerguelen reserve.
The last woolly mammoths on Earth had disastrous DNA
First human settlements and the extinction of the woolly mammoth
The last mammoths died on a remote Islanders
Global Times is the Fox News of PRC. Their former chief Hu Xijin is the top CPC “Wolf Warrior” on twitter, while paradoxically holding a Canadian Green Card–
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Xijin#Personal_life
https://youtu.be/dFzhjnjXc2o&t=0m23sReplies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
The “Chinese” aren’t even that “Chinese”, I had a debate here with a Mongol gentleman about the extent that Mongols, Turkics, Tibetics, and others assimilated over the centuries:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4526021
The Han race can be said to be since times of yore, an ethnogenesis of Altaic/Indo-European nomads, Tibetic herders, and Sinitic agarians. Mandarin is a portmanteau for 滿大人 mǎndàrēn “Manchu Great Official” (Mandarin is standardized based on the accent of the Manchu rulers attempting to speak Northern Chinese dialect)
The speculated successor to Xi is Hu Chunhua 胡春華:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_of_Chinese_leadership#Sixth_generation
…who would be the first PRC leader to speak Tibetan
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Chunhua
Do you mean ETHNIC Russians? That number sounds way high. I don't think the percentage is anywhere near 50%, let alone 70%.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
Should be about right. Hard to estimate as ethnic boundaries are blurred there. Some ukrainians got russified or intermarried with russians. Many more of the ukrainians are in fact “nativized” russians. Many russians do hide their ethnicity in a hostile environment.
Language-wise, they were like 80percent or so, I forgot by now, of primarily russian-speaking by the famous Gallup poll of 2010s or so (preferred filling the poll form in Russian). There surely are great many ukrainians that only speak Russian, so the poll gives an upper bound.
Russians were 17% of the population prior to the loss of the Crimea. Russian is commonly spoken among Ukrainians.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
That’s less than their presence in the Baltics, Kazakhstan, and other former “republics”, isn’t it?
Here is Odom's footnote:Replies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks.
What's Drudge doing?Replies: @J.Ross
Drudge retired, after selling his site to a homosexual left-wing activist who retained the name to troll people, years ago.
what are you blabberring about? what is the forced relocation of indian tribes into shitty reservation other than genocide and inverted lebensraum? how about the support US give to israel that is doing actual smal steps genocide to the Palestinians? your claims make no sense
The term 'genocide' does not mean what you fancy it means.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/02/israel-russia-oligarch-yad-vashem-ukraine/
Wow, I get the whole “but the sanction is bad for a guy who gives us money, so it’s bad for us,” but this is just bald-faced, straight-up lying.
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*No really, Murder, Inc's downfall was when two Jews and one Italian got jailed, and the group bent over backwards to try to free the Jews, and the Italian said, what the hell.
Look no further than iSteve, who is joining his ((foreign)) leaders in the current jingoistic rage.
In fact being ruled by foreigners is rather a norm. People cannot stand to be ruled by same guy next door. Aliens are much less offending in this respect.
what is the forced relocation of indian tribes into shitty reservation other than genocide and inverted lebensraum? how about the support US give to israel that is doing actual smal steps genocide to the Palestinians? your claims make no sense
The term ‘genocide’ does not mean what you fancy it means.
BTW, this from the Chinese:
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinRus/status/1497162051973783553?s=20&t=UtpqekUQ9c_cXvODMKRY8gReplies: @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Art Deco
Israel is pragmatic … they want to keep control of the Golan Heights, which Russia could help Syria easily regain.
If it could be ‘easily regained’, Syria would have accomplished that some time in the last 54 years. Their one attempt resulted in their losing ground.
Oy vey, knock it off with that talk: if word was to gets around that donatin’ to the Holocaust Temple don’t buy karma, it’d be like the feds rolling up Murder, Inc with informants, and all just because we tried to spring our own guys from the hoosegow, and a goy whose people did not try to spring him got bitter.*
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*No really, Murder, Inc’s downfall was when two Jews and one Italian got jailed, and the group bent over backwards to try to free the Jews, and the Italian said, what the hell.