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From Our World in Data:

Israel has an old fashioned greatest-good-for-the-greatest-number style philosophy, so it’s interesting to keep an eye on what they do. From the Times of Israel:

Netanyahu aims for 25% of Israelis vaccinated in month; 250,000 had shots so far

PM says he wants to lift pace of inoculations to 150,000 a day; another 5,433 virus cases found, day before 3rd lockdown; Health Minister intends to vaccinate teachers this week

By TOI STAFF
26 December 2020, 7:04 pm 1

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday he sought to reach a vaccination rate of around 150,000 people a day within a week, and to have inoculated over 2 million Israelis by the end of January.

Israel’s population is about 9 million.

Though the Health Ministry had yet to issue updated figures after Shabbat, Channel 12 News reported that some 266,000 people had gotten the first of two shots by the end of the first week of Israel’s vaccination push.

At a pace of 150,000 vaccines administered a day, Netanyahu said that within a month 2.25 million Israelis could receive both doses of the vaccine. That amounts to over a quarter of Israel’s 9.25 million population.

“This is the critical stage… because this is the entire at-risk population: All the medical teams, all the people over 60. Within this stratum is 95 percent of the mortality. Once we finish this stage, within 30 days we can get out of the coronavirus [pandemic], open the economy and do things that no other state can do,” he claimed, echoing an assertion he made Thursday.

Health Minister Yuli Edelstein said in a statement Saturday night he would seek to vaccinate the country’s teaching professionals this week, to help protect them as schools remain open during a new national lockdown. …

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu predicted on Thursday that Israel would likely be the first country in the world to overcome the pandemic. “I want to tell you that the combination of the marvelous vaccine campaign on the one hand, and a short and quick lockdown on the other, is allowing us to get out of the coronavirus [pandemic],” Netanyahu said in a statement. “And we’ll likely be the first country to get out of [it], within a few weeks,” he added.

Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people. Bahrain has been inoculating residents with the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine for more than a month.

 
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  1. If something turns out to be wrong with the vaccine, well…

    I hope they were discriminating against the untermenschen as usual.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Colin Wright

    "If something turns out to be wrong with the vaccine"……OOPS!

  2. Netanyahu allegedly agreed to pay much more per-vaccine than other countries.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @IHTG

    Who cares when it's the US tax payers' money he's buying it with, amirite?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @International Jew
    @IHTG

    Fraier! Never pay retail!

    , @Occasional lurker
    @IHTG

    He ordered early and didn't waste time bargaining like th EU did. Israel pays 30 Euro, what the EU saves by paying only 18, Eu countries lose for medical cost of intensive care Corona victims.
    Germany donated half a billion to help with manufacturing of te Biontech/Pfizer vacccine, but they didn't call up all of the doses they had rights to and also waited till the EU was ready to buy to avoid "nationalist" "Alleingänge", and the EU waited till all the others buyers had spoken.
    Now we can't even activate all of the vaccication centers that were set up in great haste because we have too little vaccine to go around, less that tiny Israel.

  3. “This vaccine is terrible, and such small portions”.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @anon

    "This vaccine is terrible, and such small portions."

    That's perfect: a shout-out to both the Catskills and Annie Hall. I'm stealing it. I'd give you credit, but since you're anonymous...

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @anon

    May be, but it's a ten-course meal, with repeated follow-up injections and endless new strain$-du-jour to be treated (the primary strain being credulity). Plus, you'll feel plenty full after - of nanotech, genetic modification (and who knows, maybe exotic, exhilarating, Thalidomide-like birth defects), toxic additives, infertility, Bell's palsy, a short-lived, false sense of security and smugness, and the wet dreams of Fauci, Gates, Schwab, Soros, and the rest of demedical, demonic deMedicis.

    For added adventure, thousands of medical personnel, having injected each other, will be out of commission when needed for all the other injured. And the government - "our" government - has protected the purveyors from liability for injury to human guinea pigs. Lucy the oligarch wishes Charlie Brown the prole a heartfelt thank-you - again.

  4. Why is China so low?

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Because it's a hoax.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Eugene Norman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Because they don’t have the virus.

    , @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Possible devil's advocate point: China has a billion and a quarter slaves earning Maseratis for a hundred million lucky ones on the coast. When you have that many people under a high tech prison planet regime, you could have tons legitimately with a virus, but move folks around and count them in such a way as to Xi the numbers, and not really be lying.

  5. By the way, let’s assume that third world countries are slow to utilize the vaccine. Would that imply that the virus could continue to mutate significantly?

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @JohnnyWalker123


    By the way, let’s assume that third world countries are slow to utilize the vaccine. Would that imply that the virus could continue to mutate significantly?
     
    Define "significantly." As of yet the claims about increased transmission of the U.K. mutation are from sketchy people and quite a distance from being proven, although there's enough change the claims just might be true. Important for vaccines is that at least one of the sites on the spike protein that our bodies decide to latch onto is "conserved," stuff that can't significantly change or "the virus won't virus."

    One of the guesses about the U.K. mutation is that it happened in a single person with a partly broken immune system, so it was a matter of SARS-CoV-2 variants competing with each other inside one body that resulted in so many changes at once. Herd immunity is probably required to to stop that particular method, but many people in the world aren't going to be vaccinated for months, years, or ever that we can expect such changes to continue to happen.
    , @DextersLabRat
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The longer it's around in more diverse populations the higher the risk of mutation, so basically yes. If it cannot be controlled in large swaths of Africa, Asia etc. we may see their travel massively restricted to the West.

    Replies: @epebble

  6. ‘Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people.’

    I wonder if that’s calculated to be enough for half the people under Israeli rule, or enough for all the Jews?

    …sounds more like inoculate all the Jews and let the gentiles die, but I won’t jump to conclusions. It’ll actually be mildly interesting if Israel starts simultaneously getting flak from overseas for giving priority to Jews and flak from the folks at home for giving any vaccine at all to gentiles while there are still Jews who haven’t been innoculated.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    7 million is more than enough for everyone; under-18s won't be vaccinated at all.

    Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?

    The highest priority is Jerusalem, because it's the hardest-hit big city. And Jerusalem is about 40% Arab.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Nachum
    @Colin Wright

    It would be kind of foolish not to inoculate a large part of the population that has a higher rate of incidence *and* lives side by side with everyone else, no? So of course it's for everyone.

    And if you're implying something about the West Bank and Gaza, well, virtually all of those people rule themselves, or would if they were a democracy.

    , @Occasional lurker
    @Colin Wright

    It's calculated to be enough to vaccinate every citizens who wants it. There might be some left over even.
    The Palestinian territories are left to their own or the UN'S devices. As they have one of the youngest populations on earth, they don't need it quite as badly as others.

  7. Israel Is Inoculating 6 Times as Fast as US

    A small country with highly centralised administration.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Lurker

    And will ignore annoying minority groups when necessary.

  8. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why is China so low?

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Eugene Norman, @J.Ross

    Because it’s a hoax.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

  9. @Lurker

    Israel Is Inoculating 6 Times as Fast as US
     
    A small country with highly centralised administration.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    And will ignore annoying minority groups when necessary.

  10. They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here in the surrounding environs while they’re at it — because that would essentially be an extension of the project.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Westport, right?

    Say hi to Keef, and to Chris and Tina.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here" - They already did.

    Inside the New York clinic that 'fraudulently obtained 3,500 Moderna vaccines and inoculated the public before healthcare workers' by using a sign-up sheet on their website
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090621/Inside-New-York-Clinic-fraudulently-obtained-Moderna-vaccine-inoculated-public.html

    "ParCare Community Health Network, a multi-specialty health care provider serving communities with large Orthodox Jewish "
    https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/pressrelease/nyc-test-trace-corps-partners-with-parcare-to-provide-free-covid-19-testing-to-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Lot

  11. Netanyahu said in a statement. “And we’ll likely be the first country to get out of [it], within a few weeks,” he added.

    Not if the Vatican (pop. approx 800), Gibraltar, San Marino or Liechtenstein set their minds to it, and get their populations inoculated in a day, if not an afternoon.

    I wonder how long it will take, say, India, which has 1.6 billion doses on order, and has a large vaccine manufacturing as well as distribution capability, to get at least half its population vaccinated.

  12. I’ve heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?

    Anyway, more power to them. I wish I could also believe in the magical properties of vaccines, but I don’t. Lockdowns and masks will likely continue for at least half of 2021. Happy New Year.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Dumbo


    I’ve heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?
     
    It's a very badly described concerns about fertility, for the ex-Pfizer guy and his medical associate are not only are ignorant of the general state of the art of the better vaccines, see their first concern about antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), they didn't explain how the spike protein in vaccines is uniquely dangerous vs. an uncontrolled wild type virus infection. That requires insight from immunologists and I assume testing.

    For male fertility, based on what we know about wild type virus infection testes morbidity, the odds are massively in favor of taking the vaccine, although that too should be tested, and is being checked out by one of the first researchers on this topic. Also a sign of the total irrationality of so much of the "discussion" of the vaccines, see how so many men reply to the concern about the morbidity research with a claim they aren't going to try to stop it from happening with a vaccine, even before we get into Gates!!! or denial of the germ theory of disease.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Dumbo

  13. It pays to be wary of anything coming out of Israel regarding COVID-19.

    Israeli scientists: ‘In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine’

    This was in late February.

    • Replies: @Bill H
    @Nodwink

    It pays to be wary of anything coming from anywhere regarding COVID-19. There is an article in ABC News giving us ten reasons why we will have to wear masks and "take all precautions" even after the vaccine, including that, “The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown.” and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at "warp speed," and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don't actually know if it does any good.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  14. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why is China so low?

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Eugene Norman, @J.Ross

    Because they don’t have the virus.

  15. The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid. Trouble is even if you are still perfectly fit (a 23 year old described it as ‘like a bit of a hangover’) you can’t infect the patients.

    Cardiff University Hospital put out a call last night for any med students with clinical experience (probably year 4 and above) to come and help in critical care.

    For every med student who volunteered, probably 100 people retweeted it to the world in “OMG!!!!” mode. The tweet’s been removed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid.
     
    That's a risk with any single-poker system.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @AnotherDad
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Obviously Wales needs more immigration.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  16. “Israel is Inoculating 6 Times faster than the US.” I say, why so slow?……… Israel 2020 population is estimated at 8,655,535 people at mid-year according to UN data.
    331,002,651 people in the United States 2020 Less we forget,US has Planes flying the meds, Isreal they can deliver meds by foot If necessary.

    • Replies: @J
    @Mindlinker

    Dont exaggerate. Israel is 500 km long. The Israel Path is 1000 km long and takes a month to walk it. The vaccine needs cold store. Covering the diverse population is an organizational and logistic feat, as well as political management. And the government was dissolved last week and elections scheduled for March. Simply, Israel works.

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, let's assume that third world countries are slow to utilize the vaccine. Would that imply that the virus could continue to mutate significantly?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @DextersLabRat

    By the way, let’s assume that third world countries are slow to utilize the vaccine. Would that imply that the virus could continue to mutate significantly?

    Define “significantly.” As of yet the claims about increased transmission of the U.K. mutation are from sketchy people and quite a distance from being proven, although there’s enough change the claims just might be true. Important for vaccines is that at least one of the sites on the spike protein that our bodies decide to latch onto is “conserved,” stuff that can’t significantly change or “the virus won’t virus.”

    One of the guesses about the U.K. mutation is that it happened in a single person with a partly broken immune system, so it was a matter of SARS-CoV-2 variants competing with each other inside one body that resulted in so many changes at once. Herd immunity is probably required to to stop that particular method, but many people in the world aren’t going to be vaccinated for months, years, or ever that we can expect such changes to continue to happen.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  18. @Dumbo
    I've heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?

    Anyway, more power to them. I wish I could also believe in the magical properties of vaccines, but I don't. Lockdowns and masks will likely continue for at least half of 2021. Happy New Year.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    I’ve heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?

    It’s a very badly described concerns about fertility, for the ex-Pfizer guy and his medical associate are not only are ignorant of the general state of the art of the better vaccines, see their first concern about antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), they didn’t explain how the spike protein in vaccines is uniquely dangerous vs. an uncontrolled wild type virus infection. That requires insight from immunologists and I assume testing.

    For male fertility, based on what we know about wild type virus infection testes morbidity, the odds are massively in favor of taking the vaccine, although that too should be tested, and is being checked out by one of the first researchers on this topic. Also a sign of the total irrationality of so much of the “discussion” of the vaccines, see how so many men reply to the concern about the morbidity research with a claim they aren’t going to try to stop it from happening with a vaccine, even before we get into Gates!!! or denial of the germ theory of disease.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @That Would Be Telling

    The anti-vax stuff here is beyond the usual and just stupid.

    We have two things that (90% probability) came out of a lab in the last year and a half. Neither is "natural" and "natural" itself has never meant "good".

    Get Xi's special, his virus attacks almost every cell in your body, hijacking their ribosome's to make complete copies of itself, which then go out and infect other cells, causing them to produce more virus, which attack more cells... A cascade of virus and destruction of cells only stopped by your immune system rallying--which it does pretty readily for most younger folks and less readily for older folks--leaving behind whatever destruction.

    Get the white man's vaccine (not to dismiss a bunch of hard working Asians no doubt involved--thanks) and you'll have the ribosomes in some muscles cells hijacked to pump out the spike protein--and just the spike protein not a live virus--for a day or two causing your immune system to react and build spike protein attacking anti-bodies.


    We've got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young) and the low risk of death ... then hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. ("Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day." I'll take it!)

    I know lots of people aren't mathematical thinkers--see immigration--but even (generously) 1/10000 versus 1/100000 are very different things.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Well, tell it to the Haredim in Israel, they are the ones reluctant about it:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-fails-to-sway-ultra-orthodox-rabbis-to-back-vaccination-drive/

    As for the effect of the vaccine on fertility, male or female, right not it is "unknown". They are doing a study about it, but since they started just a few days ago the results will come a bit late it seems to me... :D

    https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/12/20/study-investigates-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-on-male-fertility/

  19. Is this supposed to be taken as evidence that these vaccines are indeed really safe in the long run? What if this turns out to be the opposite Exodus 12:13, e.g. “blood on the doorposts” tells Him where to cull?

  20. A much better question would be to ask why the elites are so united behind this. The media owned by high finance (globalist) push it 24/7/365, and Bibi (Israel first) is the first to lock down his country (last September) and the first to vaccinate on TV (or pretend to).

    To me there is only one answer: we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil. My best guess is that most national elites are also along for this ride, by hook or by crook they understand the need to reduce the population.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @glib


    ...we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil.
     
    They pushed Griswold and Roe through decades ago. The US population is at least 125 million larger in 2020 than in 1970.

    So their depopulation strategy is somewhat selective.

    Replies: @diconezhardly, @J.Ross

    , @FLgeezer
    @glib

    Good insight glib. Thank you!

    , @Nachum
    @glib

    Last September? What are you talking about? Israel wasn't locked down until well into 2020.

    Replies: @glib

  21. @IHTG
    Netanyahu allegedly agreed to pay much more per-vaccine than other countries.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @International Jew, @Occasional lurker

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

  22. @anon
    "This vaccine is terrible, and such small portions".

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    “This vaccine is terrible, and such small portions.”

    That’s perfect: a shout-out to both the Catskills and Annie Hall. I’m stealing it. I’d give you credit, but since you’re anonymous…

  23. @Buzz Mohawk
    They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here in the surrounding environs while they're at it -- because that would essentially be an extension of the project.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @utu

    Westport, right?

    Say hi to Keef, and to Chris and Tina.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I'd say hi to Harvey too, but he's living somewhere outside Buffalo now.

  24. This is real news? Thought Israelis were getting safer non-mRNA vaccine from the Russians.
    Can’t believe the Chosen People are jabbing themselves with mRNA vaccines that turn you into
    a GMO human and cause cytokine reactions. Show your sources Stevei.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @gary


    This is real news? Thought Israelis were getting safer non-mRNA vaccine from the Russians.
     
    That can't be known yet based on the late start of Sputnik's V Phase III trial, they did their big announcement and boasting a month before starting that minor detail. Moderna effectively started their's 3 months before (the FDA forced a month's delay, officially because they weren't recruiting enough diversity), Pfizer/BioNTech's blended Phase 1/2/3 trial finished ten days before Moderna's. In both cases, the gating factor was two months of safety data from half their participants who'd gotten the vaccine.

    Can’t believe the Chosen People are jabbing themselves with mRNA vaccines that turn you into a GMO human
     
    You shouldn't believe it, because that's a lie.

    and cause cytokine reactions.
     
    You're mixing up buzzwords, it's anaphylaxis reactions, and so far with one exception below only reported with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. And a substantial fraction of the US cases I know about are people who were already susceptible to anaphylaxis, who after the first two NHS cases shouldn't have taken this vaccine later in the US.

    Hmmm, I see one person so far has had an anaphylaxis reaction to the Moderna vaccine, has a severe shellfish allergy and used an epipen he carried for that to address it, then went to the hospital's emergency department and was treated and released. Note there's guaranteed to be some of this with any vaccine or drug or food as far as I know, the question is at what rate.

    Replies: @Rob

  25. Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

    “I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.

    “For 17 years, the CDC document that guides us as physicians to do death certificates has stood, but this year, we were told, through the Department of Health and the CDC, that the rules were changing if COVID-19 was involved.”

    “If it’s COVID-19, we’re told now it doesn’t matter if it was actually the diagnosis that caused death. If someone had it, they died of it,” he said.

    Changed the criteria for determining death, changed the definition of herd immunity, changed the rules for voting, changed the measurement of crime (it is now down even if murder and carjackings are up), changed the color of daylight so that now it looks like we are all drowning in blood because we are trapped inside the stomach of our overgrown over-aged and definitely dying ruling caste.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @J.Ross

    “ nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else”

    Official US covid death count of 330k lines up pretty well with 2020 excess death count over trend of about 400k.

    Unzers believe so many conspiracy theories, elites must have a terrible time keeping track of all their conspiracies. Maybe there’s an app on Play Store for it?

    Now this 330 and 400k does overstate how bad Covid is, because it is pulling forward deaths of the sick elderly that otherwise would have happened in 2021, not killing the young and healthy. So the second half of 2021 will likely have the lowest number of deaths in the USA in the past 20 years, and 2022 below trend as well.

    The shift to WFH and lockdowns are also decreasing deaths from auto and other accidents of the young and healthy.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    , @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
     
    This was obvious since last March just based on the CDC's special COVID guidelines, and has been obvious from the CDC's own statistics for many months now.

    There is not a single statistic about this pandemic that isn't bulls**t. The case numbers are fake. The hospitalization numbers are fake. And the numbers of deaths are fake.

    , @vhrm
    @J.Ross

    That's an interesting article. I assumed (and continue to) that there's a lot of cases where there's gray area. e.g. that someone with heart or lung problems was pushed over the edge by Covid. That one is going to be inherently a judgement call of how much Covid contributed to the death etc. (and really we should develop more robust statistical models to be able to attribute death probabilistically anyway, covid or not. i.e. person X died of 30% heart-disease; 30% old age; 40% flu)

    However, some of the examples in there are clearly the "bad" kind of coding:
    car crash, drowning and alcohol poisoning? No. That said, even a 2x difference in deaths due to Covid doesn't fundamentally change our understanding of the disease.

    It makes the lockdown response even more indefensible, but it's not like even the government figures of death excuse the level of infringement of, you know, free assembly and such. Yes, the courts say such temporary infringement is allowed in times of emergency, but their level of deference to the Executive branches is surprisingly high compared to their rulings against Trump on, DACA, temp terrorist country travel ban, etc. etc.
    However, as i've mentioned before, various autocratic and semi-autocratic regimes operate under rather spurious "emergency laws" and "wartime powers" for decades. (e.g. Egypt)

    Most of the writing on this stuff wrt Covid was from March and April. Then seems to have became ignored as people become inured to it. Which is one of the big dangers.

    https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/states-of-emergencies-part-i/
    https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/states-of-emergencies-part-ii/

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @J.Ross

    Good luck getting such an audit from people who have fingers in their ears about any discussion of statistical anomalies in the 2020 election.

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why is China so low?

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Eugene Norman, @J.Ross

    Possible devil’s advocate point: China has a billion and a quarter slaves earning Maseratis for a hundred million lucky ones on the coast. When you have that many people under a high tech prison planet regime, you could have tons legitimately with a virus, but move folks around and count them in such a way as to Xi the numbers, and not really be lying.

  27. All that free American money makes it easy to buy vaccines for the population. I am assuming it is for the Jewish one only. Can you imagine what we could do with our money if we just kept it here?

    • Agree: Munkin-4
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Old and Grumpy

    All that free American money makes it easy to buy vaccines for the population.

    Again, the aid is in the form of credits to purchase military equipment, and amounts to just north of 1% of the country's gross domestic income.

  28. “Israel’s population is about 9 million.”

    “Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people.”

    I sense a discrepancy.

    A vaccine in Palestine? Sorry, Israeli settlers only

    Israel has bought five million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was vaccinated early on Dec. 20. His counterpart in the West Bank is somewhat more vulnerable, as President Mahmoud Abbas is in his eighties. He, like his fellow residents (Palestinians are not citizens of their own state of course), do not qualify for the vaccines from their military overlords.

    Five million Palestinians in occupied territory do not appear on Israel’s vaccination program. Illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank will get the vaccine, but not their Palestinian Arab neighbors. It is reminiscent of howIsraeli citizens had access to gas masks when Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was launching missiles.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon7

    Well, although some Israeli Jewish do-gooders protest, I don't see an issue here. Citizens of Israel will be inoculated. Arabs make up 20% of Israeli citizens; Israeli Jewish settlers in West Bank are also Israeli citizens. They will be vaccinated equally.

    Arabs in Gaza & West Bank are not Israeli citizens. They have their own separate health system, school system etc. Putting aside the fact that Arabs in those lands are in the state of permanent warfare with Israel (and all Jews), Israel has no legal obligation to get vaccine & inoculate them. One should not confuse Israeli Arabs (20% of Israel's population) with Palestinians in those two territories.

    My opinion: if they tried, they would be accused again of interfering with Palestinian suzerainty & people, or trying to diminish the Palestinian authority or Hamas controlled Gaza. Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don't, you're guilty.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Jack D
    @Anon7

    Palestine has a government with a President - he's even named in the Arab News story. The Palestinian government is supposed to be in charge of basic municipal functions such as health care in Palestinian controlled areas. They begged and fought for autonomy and they got it. No Israelis at all go into Gaza. So now that they have autonomy they whine that the Israelis aren't taking care of them. They sound like teenagers. Maybe their rich Arab friends can pitch in and donate the funds to buy the vaccine for them and Iran can buy it for their Hamas buddies. Although the Pali leaders will probably just steal the $ - that's how it usually works. Arafat supposedly was worth a billion $, all stolen.

    In Israel proper, all Israeli citizens, including its millions of Arab citizens, will get the vaccine from their government.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  29. @Nodwink
    It pays to be wary of anything coming out of Israel regarding COVID-19.

    Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'
     
    This was in late February.

    Replies: @Bill H

    It pays to be wary of anything coming from anywhere regarding COVID-19. There is an article in ABC News giving us ten reasons why we will have to wear masks and “take all precautions” even after the vaccine, including that, “The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown.” and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at “warp speed,” and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don’t actually know if it does any good.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Bill H


    "The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown." and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at “warp speed,” and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don’t actually know if it does any good.
     
    I'm impressed, you quote us two clear and correct statements, then lie about what they say, and expect us to believe you, not the statements??

    The duration is by definition unknown, as is the duration of natural immunity, seeing as how this is a new virus and thus new vaccines for it. But based on serological (blood) studies it looks like it's going to be plenty "durable." And it's not very practical to do a serious test of their ability to stop transmission in a normal Phase III trial, we again are depending on the serological studies which say both types of immune system reactions are like those we've seen with other viruses and vaccines for them where they do stop transmission.

    But even then its no small good thing that Phase 1A healthcare workers aren't going get sick with COVID-19 and be off work perhaps when their hospital is in dire need of staff, and that the most vulnerable in our nursing homes are going to get some direct protection. Plenty of time to find answers to those two current unknowns.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Dumbo

  30. But the USA has an average IQ of 98. And it’s only 94 in Israel. How can they be outperforming us?

    We got the Really Smart androgynous boys at Harvard who done real good on the SAT (“Oh Mommy, Mommy, I got to sit next to an Ashkenazi Head Case at lunch!). Surely our esteemed elite class is doing the best with our Ivy League Big Brains on the case.

    But then again, they’ve been dealing with so much “intellectual dynamism” the Ashkenazi brought, like trying figure out what their pronouns should be. They got a lot on their plate.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @RichardTaylor

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-test-widest-educational-gap-between-hebrew-arabic-speaking-israeli-kids/

    OECD finds record educational gulf between Hebrew, Arabic-speaking Israeli kids

    Survey of 79 countries shows Israel has worst socioeconomic gap; education minister sets up working group after dire scores in Arab sector in reading, math, sciences
    .....................
    In the PISA tests, Hebrew speakers scored 506 points in reading skills, the same as the previous assessment. However, Arabic speakers scored just 362 points, a drop of 29 points.

    The OECD average is 487 points, with the overall Israeli average at 470 points.

    In mathematics, Hebrew speakers remained at 490 points but Arabic speakers scored 379, a drop of 12 points. The OECD average is 489, with Israel’s average at 463, down seven points.

    Finally, in the sciences, Hebrew-speaking Israeli students remained at 491 points, while Arabic-speaking students dropped 26 points to 375. The OECD average is 489 points and Israel’s average is 462, down five points since 2015.

    , @Nachum
    @RichardTaylor

    That 94 in Israel includes a 20% Arab population. And of the Jewish population, over 50% are not Ashkenazi.

  31. Coronavirus deaths of elderly folks have been used to justify business & school closures.
    The same people attacking us for killing Grandmom are refusing to inoculate my grandmother while they vaccinate mostly healthy people under the age of 40.

    In Massachusetts they have vaccinated 23,000 people under the age of 50 and just 715 people over the age of 70. https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-covid-19-vaccination-report-12-24-2020/download

    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Travis


    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.
     
    The elderly are much more likely to die from this so if you vaccinate them first there might be a big drop in deaths. This will lead to a decrease in fear levels for the population in general and they may then decide not to get vaccinated. There will also be less pressure to make the vaccine mandatory for everyone. The companies who developed the vaccine may not want a situation developing where there is a rapid drop in demand for their vaccine, possibly even to the point where unsold doses are sitting in their warehouses.

    Politicians have also used this epidemic to have the power turned over to them to decide who should benefit and who should have to sacrifice during this epidemic. The problem here is that if you give government leaders this power they may someday use it to sacrifice you for the benefit of them and their family and friends. Most government leaders are not selfless individuals concerned only for the common good. To gain more power, they may have exaggerated the danger of this virus to the average person while also making it worse than it needed to be by blocking or belittling simple and inexpensive methods that would have dropped the death totals like common nutritional supplements or HCQ or, now, the misallocation of a vaccine that will quickly end the epidemic if given to the right groups.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Mike Tre
    @Travis

    That would be telling.

  32. @YetAnotherAnon
    The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid. Trouble is even if you are still perfectly fit (a 23 year old described it as 'like a bit of a hangover') you can't infect the patients.

    Cardiff University Hospital put out a call last night for any med students with clinical experience (probably year 4 and above) to come and help in critical care.

    For every med student who volunteered, probably 100 people retweeted it to the world in "OMG!!!!" mode. The tweet's been removed.

    https://twitter.com/CV_UHB/status/1343144988264308736

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

    The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid.

    That’s a risk with any single-poker system.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    The quality of merry is getting a bit strained.

  33. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid.
     
    That's a risk with any single-poker system.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    The quality of merry is getting a bit strained.

  34. They’re getting six doses out of each vial of the Pfizer vax so this makes sense, if you get takers lined up ahead of time.

    Otherwise you have to toss the overfill.

    Oh but I would take that stuff, man. I ain’t no foo’.

  35. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Westport, right?

    Say hi to Keef, and to Chris and Tina.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I’d say hi to Harvey too, but he’s living somewhere outside Buffalo now.

  36. Oh, I believe em. Not a bullshit ad for corona vax.

  37. Inoculation for the common coronasniffles?

    😂✊🤣🤜😂✊🤣🤜😂✊🤣🤜

    2020: the year everyone forgot everything they previously knew, and the year science, numeracy, and rationality officially died.

    It’s interesting to live through a manufactured mass hysteria. And, frankly, it’s boring – much like all mental illnesses are ultimately boring in the long run.

    • Replies: @Bongland10
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Enough.

  38. There’s a lot of disturbing material in the Gift, but one of the most disturbing points is the perverse ineffectiveness of the malignant public health bureaucracy. Anti-AIDS messages are hamstrung by a desire to sell drugs and a prerequisite that nothing be construed as criticizing any homosexual activity. At one point someone claims that most of the floats in the San Francisco pride parade are about AIDS and generally come from the numerous agencies which purport to treat it. As the panicdemic destroys our economy and locks lives down we might ask, exactly what would it take for the public to distrust public health experts? Evidence doesn’t matter here. A monstrous, backward track record is not enough to impugn them. The proliferation of tax (and charity) funded nothing-organizations is not seen as suspicious. Even when they can get past lyingpress and tech monopoly censorship, mainstream-credentialed dissenters cannot win over the dead end third of television-believers. The malignant public health bureaucracy is very good at making money and at shepherding whatever disease they watch to proliferation. They’re so bad at anything else that a little real journalism would be enough to attack them. So in other words they’re safe.

    • Agree: theMann
  39. Since when is 2.41 6 times 0.59?

    Israel’s “Philosophy” by the way is the greatest good for a very small number.

  40. @Buzz Mohawk
    They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here in the surrounding environs while they're at it -- because that would essentially be an extension of the project.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @utu

    “They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here” – They already did.

    Inside the New York clinic that ‘fraudulently obtained 3,500 Moderna vaccines and inoculated the public before healthcare workers’ by using a sign-up sheet on their website
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090621/Inside-New-York-Clinic-fraudulently-obtained-Moderna-vaccine-inoculated-public.html

    “ParCare Community Health Network, a multi-specialty health care provider serving communities with large Orthodox Jewish ”
    https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/pressrelease/nyc-test-trace-corps-partners-with-parcare-to-provide-free-covid-19-testing-to-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @utu

    Given their habits regarding large gatherings and 'tude about listening to anything any ethnic Italian or guy with a German-sounding name who changed his name to sound Italian tries to tell them, I think The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.

    For general public health reasons to tamp down the spread, if nothing else.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Lot
    @utu

    The eagerness of Jew Yorkers and Israelis to get vaccinated will discourage unfounded fears about its safety. If it were a Bill Gates plot, no way would they be unaware.

  41. @YetAnotherAnon
    The UK seems to be going through another crisis as NHS staff test positive for covid. Trouble is even if you are still perfectly fit (a 23 year old described it as 'like a bit of a hangover') you can't infect the patients.

    Cardiff University Hospital put out a call last night for any med students with clinical experience (probably year 4 and above) to come and help in critical care.

    For every med student who volunteered, probably 100 people retweeted it to the world in "OMG!!!!" mode. The tweet's been removed.

    https://twitter.com/CV_UHB/status/1343144988264308736

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

    Obviously Wales needs more immigration.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad

    "Obviously Wales needs more immigration."

    Of people who'll take more from Social Security (welfare) than they'll pay back in tax, while driving down wages for everyone else! What could possibly go wrong?

    (I know you had the /sarc tag on)

  42. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here" - They already did.

    Inside the New York clinic that 'fraudulently obtained 3,500 Moderna vaccines and inoculated the public before healthcare workers' by using a sign-up sheet on their website
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090621/Inside-New-York-Clinic-fraudulently-obtained-Moderna-vaccine-inoculated-public.html

    "ParCare Community Health Network, a multi-specialty health care provider serving communities with large Orthodox Jewish "
    https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/pressrelease/nyc-test-trace-corps-partners-with-parcare-to-provide-free-covid-19-testing-to-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Lot

    Given their habits regarding large gatherings and ‘tude about listening to anything any ethnic Italian or guy with a German-sounding name who changed his name to sound Italian tries to tell them, I think The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.

    For general public health reasons to tamp down the spread, if nothing else.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Inquiring Mind

    "The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine." - As long as the vaccinated who mingle among the unvaccinated gentiles wear the yellow star.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  43. OT – Guardian

    The year of Karen: how a meme changed the way Americans talked about racism

    The image of a white woman calling police on Black people put the lie to the myth of racial innocence” – thus sayeth Julie Carrie Wong

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “The image of a white woman calling police on Black people put the lie to the myth of racial innocence” – thus sayeth Julie Carrie Wong

    One thing that never gets asked is, "Who called the cops on George Floyd?" He was passing phony notes at Cup (not Cub) Foods & supposedly it was a worker there who called the cops. My guess is it was a Somali, but I can guarantee you it was no white lady. She'd be Public Enemy #1 if it was.

    Replies: @Old Jew

  44. Is their wall finished too?

  45. @Colin Wright
    If something turns out to be wrong with the vaccine, well...

    I hope they were discriminating against the untermenschen as usual.

    Replies: @tyrone

    “If something turns out to be wrong with the vaccine”……OOPS!

  46. @That Would Be Telling
    @Dumbo


    I’ve heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?
     
    It's a very badly described concerns about fertility, for the ex-Pfizer guy and his medical associate are not only are ignorant of the general state of the art of the better vaccines, see their first concern about antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), they didn't explain how the spike protein in vaccines is uniquely dangerous vs. an uncontrolled wild type virus infection. That requires insight from immunologists and I assume testing.

    For male fertility, based on what we know about wild type virus infection testes morbidity, the odds are massively in favor of taking the vaccine, although that too should be tested, and is being checked out by one of the first researchers on this topic. Also a sign of the total irrationality of so much of the "discussion" of the vaccines, see how so many men reply to the concern about the morbidity research with a claim they aren't going to try to stop it from happening with a vaccine, even before we get into Gates!!! or denial of the germ theory of disease.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Dumbo

    The anti-vax stuff here is beyond the usual and just stupid.

    We have two things that (90% probability) came out of a lab in the last year and a half. Neither is “natural” and “natural” itself has never meant “good”.

    Get Xi’s special, his virus attacks almost every cell in your body, hijacking their ribosome’s to make complete copies of itself, which then go out and infect other cells, causing them to produce more virus, which attack more cells… A cascade of virus and destruction of cells only stopped by your immune system rallying–which it does pretty readily for most younger folks and less readily for older folks–leaving behind whatever destruction.

    Get the white man’s vaccine (not to dismiss a bunch of hard working Asians no doubt involved–thanks) and you’ll have the ribosomes in some muscles cells hijacked to pump out the spike protein–and just the spike protein not a live virus–for a day or two causing your immune system to react and build spike protein attacking anti-bodies.

    We’ve got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young) and the low risk of death … then hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. (“Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day.” I’ll take it!)

    I know lots of people aren’t mathematical thinkers–see immigration–but even (generously) 1/10000 versus 1/100000 are very different things.

    • Agree: ic1000, Jack D
    • Disagree: Hippopotamusdrome
    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @AnotherDad


    We’ve got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young)
     
    If you're going to roll your eyes and scold about "those people" being innumerate, at least do it honestly instead of weasel wording.

    afaik the assertion that Covid causes "something like the flu" "for a couple of weeks" "fairly common[ly]" among "the healthy young" is false and misleading. Not a little wrong, just plain wrong; flat earth style.

    Maybe you can salvage it with some stretched definitions of "fairly common", "young", "healthy" and "weeks"...

    Your folksy schmaltz is the kind of thing circulating on FB , insta etc that keeps my uninformed 20 something acquaintances scared and cowering in their apartments lest the 'rona strike them down if they go to the store.

    Talk about hyperventilation...

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @AnotherDad

    'hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. (“Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day.” I’ll take it!)'

    The adverse reactions to the fake vax are feature, not bug. People like to feel they earned their imaginary immunity to an imaginary illness, and what better way to earn it than a few days of mild illness. No pain no gain, amirite.

    I said since the early days of CoronaHoax that I'd take a fake vax if it would placate the bedwetting facediaperists (Sailer, Unz, et al) and allow a return to normal. Covidiots have made clear that fake vax still means facediapering and lockdowns forever, though, so men with functioning brains and balls have zero incentive to take the fake vax.

  47. I guess America’s not first anymore.

  48. @Mindlinker
    "Israel is Inoculating 6 Times faster than the US." I say, why so slow?......... Israel 2020 population is estimated at 8,655,535 people at mid-year according to UN data.
    331,002,651 people in the United States 2020 Less we forget,US has Planes flying the meds, Isreal they can deliver meds by foot If necessary.

    Replies: @J

    Dont exaggerate. Israel is 500 km long. The Israel Path is 1000 km long and takes a month to walk it. The vaccine needs cold store. Covering the diverse population is an organizational and logistic feat, as well as political management. And the government was dissolved last week and elections scheduled for March. Simply, Israel works.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
  49. @IHTG
    Netanyahu allegedly agreed to pay much more per-vaccine than other countries.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @International Jew, @Occasional lurker

    Fraier! Never pay retail!

  50. @Colin Wright
    'Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people.'

    I wonder if that's calculated to be enough for half the people under Israeli rule, or enough for all the Jews?

    ...sounds more like inoculate all the Jews and let the gentiles die, but I won't jump to conclusions. It'll actually be mildly interesting if Israel starts simultaneously getting flak from overseas for giving priority to Jews and flak from the folks at home for giving any vaccine at all to gentiles while there are still Jews who haven't been innoculated.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Nachum, @Occasional lurker

    7 million is more than enough for everyone; under-18s won’t be vaccinated at all.

    Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?

    The highest priority is Jerusalem, because it’s the hardest-hit big city. And Jerusalem is about 40% Arab.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @International Jew

    'Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?'

    It's based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    ...plus their actual track record.

    Does that suffice?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  51. @AnotherDad
    @That Would Be Telling

    The anti-vax stuff here is beyond the usual and just stupid.

    We have two things that (90% probability) came out of a lab in the last year and a half. Neither is "natural" and "natural" itself has never meant "good".

    Get Xi's special, his virus attacks almost every cell in your body, hijacking their ribosome's to make complete copies of itself, which then go out and infect other cells, causing them to produce more virus, which attack more cells... A cascade of virus and destruction of cells only stopped by your immune system rallying--which it does pretty readily for most younger folks and less readily for older folks--leaving behind whatever destruction.

    Get the white man's vaccine (not to dismiss a bunch of hard working Asians no doubt involved--thanks) and you'll have the ribosomes in some muscles cells hijacked to pump out the spike protein--and just the spike protein not a live virus--for a day or two causing your immune system to react and build spike protein attacking anti-bodies.


    We've got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young) and the low risk of death ... then hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. ("Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day." I'll take it!)

    I know lots of people aren't mathematical thinkers--see immigration--but even (generously) 1/10000 versus 1/100000 are very different things.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    We’ve got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young)

    If you’re going to roll your eyes and scold about “those people” being innumerate, at least do it honestly instead of weasel wording.

    afaik the assertion that Covid causes “something like the flu” “for a couple of weeks” “fairly common[ly]” among “the healthy young” is false and misleading. Not a little wrong, just plain wrong; flat earth style.

    Maybe you can salvage it with some stretched definitions of “fairly common”, “young”, “healthy” and “weeks”…

    Your folksy schmaltz is the kind of thing circulating on FB , insta etc that keeps my uninformed 20 something acquaintances scared and cowering in their apartments lest the ‘rona strike them down if they go to the store.

    Talk about hyperventilation…

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @vhrm

    @AnotherDad,

    My message there was more aggressive and personally directed than it should have been, and for that part i apologize. (but i stand by the criticism of the argument)

  52. @That Would Be Telling
    @Dumbo


    I’ve heard that the Haredim are not so happy about vaccines. Perhaps because of the supposed effect on fertility?
     
    It's a very badly described concerns about fertility, for the ex-Pfizer guy and his medical associate are not only are ignorant of the general state of the art of the better vaccines, see their first concern about antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), they didn't explain how the spike protein in vaccines is uniquely dangerous vs. an uncontrolled wild type virus infection. That requires insight from immunologists and I assume testing.

    For male fertility, based on what we know about wild type virus infection testes morbidity, the odds are massively in favor of taking the vaccine, although that too should be tested, and is being checked out by one of the first researchers on this topic. Also a sign of the total irrationality of so much of the "discussion" of the vaccines, see how so many men reply to the concern about the morbidity research with a claim they aren't going to try to stop it from happening with a vaccine, even before we get into Gates!!! or denial of the germ theory of disease.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Dumbo

    Well, tell it to the Haredim in Israel, they are the ones reluctant about it:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-fails-to-sway-ultra-orthodox-rabbis-to-back-vaccination-drive/

    As for the effect of the vaccine on fertility, male or female, right not it is “unknown”. They are doing a study about it, but since they started just a few days ago the results will come a bit late it seems to me… 😀

    https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/12/20/study-investigates-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-on-male-fertility/

  53. @vhrm
    @AnotherDad


    We’ve got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young)
     
    If you're going to roll your eyes and scold about "those people" being innumerate, at least do it honestly instead of weasel wording.

    afaik the assertion that Covid causes "something like the flu" "for a couple of weeks" "fairly common[ly]" among "the healthy young" is false and misleading. Not a little wrong, just plain wrong; flat earth style.

    Maybe you can salvage it with some stretched definitions of "fairly common", "young", "healthy" and "weeks"...

    Your folksy schmaltz is the kind of thing circulating on FB , insta etc that keeps my uninformed 20 something acquaintances scared and cowering in their apartments lest the 'rona strike them down if they go to the store.

    Talk about hyperventilation...

    Replies: @vhrm

    ,

    My message there was more aggressive and personally directed than it should have been, and for that part i apologize. (but i stand by the criticism of the argument)

  54. Parcare Community Health made sure to get all the Jews taken care of in New York

    hahahahaha

    I knew that would happen. I thought they would just do it through Jewish Hospitals…but evidently even there they have to follow rules. So fraudulent healthcare group it was!

    I love this example of Chutzpah…

    “Mark Appel, a well-known nonprofit leader who once served on the board of the city Health and Hospitals Corp, was one of the first recipients of the vaccine at ParCare. He said: ‘If Gary got the vaccines first, God bless him. The state should investigate why they can’t get more people vaccinated fast enough’”

    Lol—He’s a hero to Our People—and It’s your Fault that he did it fraudulently

  55. @Inquiring Mind
    @utu

    Given their habits regarding large gatherings and 'tude about listening to anything any ethnic Italian or guy with a German-sounding name who changed his name to sound Italian tries to tell them, I think The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.

    For general public health reasons to tamp down the spread, if nothing else.

    Replies: @utu

    “The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.” – As long as the vaccinated who mingle among the unvaccinated gentiles wear the yellow star.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @utu

    '“The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.” – As long as the vaccinated who mingle among the unvaccinated gentiles wear the yellow star.'

    Be reasonable and humane. Only Jews who haven't been vaccinated should have to wear a yellow star.

  56. Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?

    Israel is a completely racist society where Arabs are discriminated against in every area of life. It’s reasonable to assume the racist Jews who run Israel will favor Jews over Arabs in their response to the epidemic, just as they do in every single other aspect of government policy.

  57. @J.Ross
    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

    “I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.

    “For 17 years, the CDC document that guides us as physicians to do death certificates has stood, but this year, we were told, through the Department of Health and the CDC, that the rules were changing if COVID-19 was involved.”

    “If it’s COVID-19, we’re told now it doesn’t matter if it was actually the diagnosis that caused death. If someone had it, they died of it,” he said.
     
    Changed the criteria for determining death, changed the definition of herd immunity, changed the rules for voting, changed the measurement of crime (it is now down even if murder and carjackings are up), changed the color of daylight so that now it looks like we are all drowning in blood because we are trapped inside the stomach of our overgrown over-aged and definitely dying ruling caste.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @Inquiring Mind

    “ nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else”

    Official US covid death count of 330k lines up pretty well with 2020 excess death count over trend of about 400k.

    Unzers believe so many conspiracy theories, elites must have a terrible time keeping track of all their conspiracies. Maybe there’s an app on Play Store for it?

    Now this 330 and 400k does overstate how bad Covid is, because it is pulling forward deaths of the sick elderly that otherwise would have happened in 2021, not killing the young and healthy. So the second half of 2021 will likely have the lowest number of deaths in the USA in the past 20 years, and 2022 below trend as well.

    The shift to WFH and lockdowns are also decreasing deaths from auto and other accidents of the young and healthy.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Lot

    So much lying as to CVirus -- the CDC has admitted that only 6% of the 330,000 actually died of the CVirus as opposed to dying "with" it in a car crash, suicide, cancer etc. -- so the true number is much closer to that number -- 19,800. The interstellar hysteria as hyped by the Globalist owned Mainslime Media was intended to do what it has done -- destroy economies to set up The Great Reset of the NWO Banksters -- with a plague of NWO "medical" experts/Faucis seeded in at every level (in Government etc. also) this was easy to accomplish and on cue they all went to work having "gamed" it previously with the Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation -- along with Neal Ferguson "Models" and propaganda that would embarrass Goebbels -- the fact people so glibly lie about all of this in superior tones is pathetic.: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/

    Replies: @HA

  58. @utu
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "They should come over and inoculate New York City and my neighbors here" - They already did.

    Inside the New York clinic that 'fraudulently obtained 3,500 Moderna vaccines and inoculated the public before healthcare workers' by using a sign-up sheet on their website
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090621/Inside-New-York-Clinic-fraudulently-obtained-Moderna-vaccine-inoculated-public.html

    "ParCare Community Health Network, a multi-specialty health care provider serving communities with large Orthodox Jewish "
    https://www.nychealthandhospitals.org/pressrelease/nyc-test-trace-corps-partners-with-parcare-to-provide-free-covid-19-testing-to-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Lot

    The eagerness of Jew Yorkers and Israelis to get vaccinated will discourage unfounded fears about its safety. If it were a Bill Gates plot, no way would they be unaware.

  59. @Mike Tre
    @IHTG

    Who cares when it's the US tax payers' money he's buying it with, amirite?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    @Art Deco

    That's not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Art Deco

    , @JSM
    @Art Deco

    I'm so sick of this weasel argument. If the dollars Israel gets are so insignificant, how about give 'em back? Yeah, THAT's gonna happen, sure.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.'

    You're leaving out what they steal. Just to cite one example, during the decade the 'binary options' scam ran, that was netting about ten billion a year. Then Israel is the global leader in the illegal human organ traffic. And she's a big player in White Slavery. And then there are charitable donations...

    Replies: @Nachum, @Art Deco

    , @anon
    @Art Deco

    Yes, years after years you are getting 1 % of your GDP . That means that Israel doesn’t have to spend that money from its pocket on military . That is one argument .
    Total cost for subsidizing Israel from 1979 goes into 1980s dollars runs into trillions .

    . Israel in addition gets extra grants loans and subsidies . These loans are not paid ,has not been paid but simply been rolled over .


    There is additional clause . Israel will be compensated for the interest that is due on the loan . Basically USA pays Israel to borrow and keep the money .

    ADL and AIPAC bragged about Israel not requiring any money anymore and that it can do without US aid.

    So what Schumer does when this idea gets some support for consideration in Congress by Rand Paul.? NYTimes reports that backdoor discussion has nipped it in the bud .

    What happens when JCOPA is announced ? Israel comes with begging g bowl and gets the latest technology and more grants .

    What happens when Obama asks for delaying the settlement ( mind that this is request not to engage into an illegal act for next few months ,not a demand to stop the illegal actions ) .Isreal gets 40 billions worth of aids in addition over next 10 years .


    Let me tell you whats going to happen next. Biden seeks to reenter JCOPA.Israel will throw tantrums, make some forays into Gaza ,kill few more in checkpoints and kill some scientist while the bribed nasty human like Schumer and Memenedez will tell that Israel need more money ( see how it works- its not Israel now but its bribed delegates in USA ) Congress will oblige with another 50 billions .
    Meanwhile Israel will work to torpedo it again despite getting money second times because it hopes to reenact the situation in 3-4 years by forcing the withdrawal from the treaty (negotiation ) and letting USA enter again in 4-5 years as long as USA forks out money to that little shitty country .

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @anon
    @Art Deco

    Lets start

    1-
    December 9, 2002
    By David R. Francis Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    . https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


    2-
    The legislative solution introduced by representative Brad Schneider (D-IL) and supported by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is the "Guaranteeing Israel’s QME Act of 2020." The bill proposes amending the Arms Export Control Act by requiring the president to consult with the Israeli government before proceeding with any such sales. The president would then have to submit a report card to Congress on the degree to which Israel’s "Qualitative Military Edge" might be impacted. The AECA was already amended in 2008 and 2012 to require certifications that any sales would not "adversely affect" Israel’s military edge. https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2020/11/09/the-israel-lobbys-qme-scam/

    3

    Analytical output from pro-Israel think tanks such as the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) outline even additional solutions beyond the Schneider bill – by showering more "free" US weapons on Israel and more US taxpayer money for Israel to purchase Israeli weapons systems https://schneider.house.gov/sites/schneider.house.gov/files/QME%20Bill.pdf

    4 This is the worst betrayal of what known as sovereignty and diplomacy.

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/525302-senate-wants-security-guarantees-for-israel-before-us-sale-of-f-35s-to-uae Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the outgoing chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, introduced legislation last month that would restrict the sale of advanced weapons systems to countries in the Middle East other than Israel unless they meet certain benchmarks, such as normalized relations with Israel; that weapons are modified to be identified and tracked by Israel;”

  60. @gary
    This is real news? Thought Israelis were getting safer non-mRNA vaccine from the Russians.
    Can't believe the Chosen People are jabbing themselves with mRNA vaccines that turn you into
    a GMO human and cause cytokine reactions. Show your sources Stevei.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    This is real news? Thought Israelis were getting safer non-mRNA vaccine from the Russians.

    That can’t be known yet based on the late start of Sputnik’s V Phase III trial, they did their big announcement and boasting a month before starting that minor detail. Moderna effectively started their’s 3 months before (the FDA forced a month’s delay, officially because they weren’t recruiting enough diversity), Pfizer/BioNTech’s blended Phase 1/2/3 trial finished ten days before Moderna’s. In both cases, the gating factor was two months of safety data from half their participants who’d gotten the vaccine.

    Can’t believe the Chosen People are jabbing themselves with mRNA vaccines that turn you into a GMO human

    You shouldn’t believe it, because that’s a lie.

    and cause cytokine reactions.

    You’re mixing up buzzwords, it’s anaphylaxis reactions, and so far with one exception below only reported with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. And a substantial fraction of the US cases I know about are people who were already susceptible to anaphylaxis, who after the first two NHS cases shouldn’t have taken this vaccine later in the US.

    Hmmm, I see one person so far has had an anaphylaxis reaction to the Moderna vaccine, has a severe shellfish allergy and used an epipen he carried for that to address it, then went to the hospital’s emergency department and was treated and released. Note there’s guaranteed to be some of this with any vaccine or drug or food as far as I know, the question is at what rate.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @That Would Be Telling

    TWBT,

    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine? Other components of protein therapeutics are limited to parts per million, if I recall correctly. I would have assumed that nucleic acid products would be similarly pure. Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  61. @J.Ross
    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

    “I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.

    “For 17 years, the CDC document that guides us as physicians to do death certificates has stood, but this year, we were told, through the Department of Health and the CDC, that the rules were changing if COVID-19 was involved.”

    “If it’s COVID-19, we’re told now it doesn’t matter if it was actually the diagnosis that caused death. If someone had it, they died of it,” he said.
     
    Changed the criteria for determining death, changed the definition of herd immunity, changed the rules for voting, changed the measurement of crime (it is now down even if murder and carjackings are up), changed the color of daylight so that now it looks like we are all drowning in blood because we are trapped inside the stomach of our overgrown over-aged and definitely dying ruling caste.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @Inquiring Mind

    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.

    This was obvious since last March just based on the CDC’s special COVID guidelines, and has been obvious from the CDC’s own statistics for many months now.

    There is not a single statistic about this pandemic that isn’t bulls**t. The case numbers are fake. The hospitalization numbers are fake. And the numbers of deaths are fake.

  62. @Bill H
    @Nodwink

    It pays to be wary of anything coming from anywhere regarding COVID-19. There is an article in ABC News giving us ten reasons why we will have to wear masks and "take all precautions" even after the vaccine, including that, “The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown.” and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at "warp speed," and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don't actually know if it does any good.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    “The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown.” and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at “warp speed,” and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don’t actually know if it does any good.

    I’m impressed, you quote us two clear and correct statements, then lie about what they say, and expect us to believe you, not the statements??

    The duration is by definition unknown, as is the duration of natural immunity, seeing as how this is a new virus and thus new vaccines for it. But based on serological (blood) studies it looks like it’s going to be plenty “durable.” And it’s not very practical to do a serious test of their ability to stop transmission in a normal Phase III trial, we again are depending on the serological studies which say both types of immune system reactions are like those we’ve seen with other viruses and vaccines for them where they do stop transmission.

    But even then its no small good thing that Phase 1A healthcare workers aren’t going get sick with COVID-19 and be off work perhaps when their hospital is in dire need of staff, and that the most vulnerable in our nursing homes are going to get some direct protection. Plenty of time to find answers to those two current unknowns.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @That Would Be Telling

    I’m so glad you suddenly showed up to lecture all us benighted plebs about the wonders of the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful vaccine in history.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Lot

    , @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It's not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @That Would Be Telling

  63. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Inoculation for the common coronasniffles?

    😂✊🤣🤜😂✊🤣🤜😂✊🤣🤜

    2020: the year everyone forgot everything they previously knew, and the year science, numeracy, and rationality officially died.

    It's interesting to live through a manufactured mass hysteria. And, frankly, it's boring - much like all mental illnesses are ultimately boring in the long run.

    Replies: @Bongland10

    Enough.

  64. @AnotherDad
    @That Would Be Telling

    The anti-vax stuff here is beyond the usual and just stupid.

    We have two things that (90% probability) came out of a lab in the last year and a half. Neither is "natural" and "natural" itself has never meant "good".

    Get Xi's special, his virus attacks almost every cell in your body, hijacking their ribosome's to make complete copies of itself, which then go out and infect other cells, causing them to produce more virus, which attack more cells... A cascade of virus and destruction of cells only stopped by your immune system rallying--which it does pretty readily for most younger folks and less readily for older folks--leaving behind whatever destruction.

    Get the white man's vaccine (not to dismiss a bunch of hard working Asians no doubt involved--thanks) and you'll have the ribosomes in some muscles cells hijacked to pump out the spike protein--and just the spike protein not a live virus--for a day or two causing your immune system to react and build spike protein attacking anti-bodies.


    We've got guys here who laugh off as a trivial nothing something like the flu for a couple weeks (fairly common even among the healthy young) and the low risk of death ... then hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. ("Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day." I'll take it!)

    I know lots of people aren't mathematical thinkers--see immigration--but even (generously) 1/10000 versus 1/100000 are very different things.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    ‘hyperventilate over vaccine reactions which are considerably more trivial and order of magnitude more rare. (“Oh my arm hurt and i had a fever for a day.” I’ll take it!)’

    The adverse reactions to the fake vax are feature, not bug. People like to feel they earned their imaginary immunity to an imaginary illness, and what better way to earn it than a few days of mild illness. No pain no gain, amirite.

    I said since the early days of CoronaHoax that I’d take a fake vax if it would placate the bedwetting facediaperists (Sailer, Unz, et al) and allow a return to normal. Covidiots have made clear that fake vax still means facediapering and lockdowns forever, though, so men with functioning brains and balls have zero incentive to take the fake vax.

    • Agree: Getaclue
  65. @Travis
    Coronavirus deaths of elderly folks have been used to justify business & school closures.
    The same people attacking us for killing Grandmom are refusing to inoculate my grandmother while they vaccinate mostly healthy people under the age of 40.

    In Massachusetts they have vaccinated 23,000 people under the age of 50 and just 715 people over the age of 70. https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-covid-19-vaccination-report-12-24-2020/download

    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mike Tre

    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.

    The elderly are much more likely to die from this so if you vaccinate them first there might be a big drop in deaths. This will lead to a decrease in fear levels for the population in general and they may then decide not to get vaccinated. There will also be less pressure to make the vaccine mandatory for everyone. The companies who developed the vaccine may not want a situation developing where there is a rapid drop in demand for their vaccine, possibly even to the point where unsold doses are sitting in their warehouses.

    Politicians have also used this epidemic to have the power turned over to them to decide who should benefit and who should have to sacrifice during this epidemic. The problem here is that if you give government leaders this power they may someday use it to sacrifice you for the benefit of them and their family and friends. Most government leaders are not selfless individuals concerned only for the common good. To gain more power, they may have exaggerated the danger of this virus to the average person while also making it worse than it needed to be by blocking or belittling simple and inexpensive methods that would have dropped the death totals like common nutritional supplements or HCQ or, now, the misallocation of a vaccine that will quickly end the epidemic if given to the right groups.

    • Thanks: Sam Malone, FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mark G.

    In the NY Times there is a panel discussion of "ethics experts" led by Emily Bazelon on who should get the vaccine. Mostly it is a Leftist clown show with various Peoples of Color trying to outflank each other from the Left - one says people of color in the US should get it first. Then another chimes in and says, no the people of the Global South should get it first. Etc. One "expert" reminds us how ethics demands that the Democrats to win both open seats in Georgia, another pushes his vaccine tracking software. Altogether about what you'd expect in the NY Times nowadays.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/magazine/who-should-get-the-covid-vaccine-next.html


    BUT, almost by accident, they do make a few valid points. One is that perhaps we should be looking at quality of life years lost and not just deaths, so even though the 90 year old is say 4x more likely to die from the 'rona vs. say an average 70 year old, the 70 year old might have 5x the number of quality of life years remaining and so may be more deserving.

    2nd, someone mentions that it is common not to treat pneumonia, even with antibiotics, for really far gone Alzheimer's patient - in our society we don't euthanize such people like dogs the way they do in some places but neither is it right to prolong their suffering when a merciful God wants to call them to their rest. So vaccinating such people would be equally wrong.

    And lastly one mentions that if the vaccine went to the highest risk group first, there would have been a lot of anti-vax stories about how my grandma got the vaccine last week and then she died 3 days later. By giving it to a relatively healthy group of doctor, nurses and other health care workers, there are going to be fewer "grandma died from the vaccine " stories.

  66. @glib
    A much better question would be to ask why the elites are so united behind this. The media owned by high finance (globalist) push it 24/7/365, and Bibi (Israel first) is the first to lock down his country (last September) and the first to vaccinate on TV (or pretend to).

    To me there is only one answer: we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil. My best guess is that most national elites are also along for this ride, by hook or by crook they understand the need to reduce the population.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FLgeezer, @Nachum

    …we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil.

    They pushed Griswold and Roe through decades ago. The US population is at least 125 million larger in 2020 than in 1970.

    So their depopulation strategy is somewhat selective.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @diconezhardly
    @Reg Cæsar

    yeah, it selects out the poor both genius and idiot alike, and selects in the spoiled both genius and idiot alike. such we get softer and replaceable after a couple of generations of "eugenics".

    , @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    It would be. Brazil the model. The numbers of people who don't matter do not themselves matter; the favelas sort themselves out. White working and middle class people capable of organization must be eliminated because they can (even if they do not) pose a threat.

  67. @glib
    A much better question would be to ask why the elites are so united behind this. The media owned by high finance (globalist) push it 24/7/365, and Bibi (Israel first) is the first to lock down his country (last September) and the first to vaccinate on TV (or pretend to).

    To me there is only one answer: we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil. My best guess is that most national elites are also along for this ride, by hook or by crook they understand the need to reduce the population.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FLgeezer, @Nachum

    Good insight glib. Thank you!

  68. @That Would Be Telling
    @Bill H


    "The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown." and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at “warp speed,” and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don’t actually know if it does any good.
     
    I'm impressed, you quote us two clear and correct statements, then lie about what they say, and expect us to believe you, not the statements??

    The duration is by definition unknown, as is the duration of natural immunity, seeing as how this is a new virus and thus new vaccines for it. But based on serological (blood) studies it looks like it's going to be plenty "durable." And it's not very practical to do a serious test of their ability to stop transmission in a normal Phase III trial, we again are depending on the serological studies which say both types of immune system reactions are like those we've seen with other viruses and vaccines for them where they do stop transmission.

    But even then its no small good thing that Phase 1A healthcare workers aren't going get sick with COVID-19 and be off work perhaps when their hospital is in dire need of staff, and that the most vulnerable in our nursing homes are going to get some direct protection. Plenty of time to find answers to those two current unknowns.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Dumbo

    I’m so glad you suddenly showed up to lecture all us benighted plebs about the wonders of the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful vaccine in history.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @BenKenobi

    The comments definitely needs a "sock puppet" action.

    , @Lot
    @BenKenobi

    He’s my favorite new megaposter.

  69. Can no one divide? It’s a little more than 4 times as fast. Not 6. On the plus side, people so respect your abilities, Steve, that no one tried to use the built in calculator in Google.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @dinnty

    "On the plus side, people so respect your abilities, Steve, that no one tried to use the built in calculator in Google."

    Wrong. Nobody respects Sailer after his pussylanimous reaction to CoronaHoax and those podcasts that revealed his strangled, defective, and oddly high-pitched voice - viz, a voice made for print. A simple math error is fully normal and unsurprising at this point.

  70. @Reg Cæsar
    @glib


    ...we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil.
     
    They pushed Griswold and Roe through decades ago. The US population is at least 125 million larger in 2020 than in 1970.

    So their depopulation strategy is somewhat selective.

    Replies: @diconezhardly, @J.Ross

    yeah, it selects out the poor both genius and idiot alike, and selects in the spoiled both genius and idiot alike. such we get softer and replaceable after a couple of generations of “eugenics”.

  71. let Israel inject whatever they want to themselves. either they have good ones that will only but help their sickly and forever-at-war population, or ones that do nothing; so we take the bad ones like good goys. or, simply they are buying the koolaid and will get chipped along the way to Babel with everyone else. wouldn’t be the first time they surrendered to Baal.

  72. @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

    That’s not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Bigdicknick

    We goyim get paid back in full when the Rapture comes.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Art Deco
    @Bigdicknick

    That’s not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    The notion we've fought 'wars for Israel' is a fiction. While we're at it, the notion we've been fighting a war in Syria is also a fiction.

  73. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Because it's a hoax.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Doubtful. It’s overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I’ll make it out on the other side. I’m young and healthy but feel like shit now

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @AndrewR

    Good luck, man.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @AndrewR

    Don't worry, you'll be OK. I've gone through it & I am anything but healthy from my adolescence.

    If not, you know ..... thoughts and prayers .... you'll live in our hearts ....

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @AndrewR

    Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @Getaclue
    @AndrewR

    I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 -- had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it - - it was terrible, many thousands died I do believe -- no one cared. It was not politicized/weaponized as part of a Globalist NWO Great Reset and Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation hadn't "gamed" and "planned" it yet as to how to weaponize it nor set up Faucis and Neal Fergusons to do their bit at various levels where they have seeded in thousands of these NWO "Expert" lackeys to bring in Medical Martial Law on us....Sucks to be sick but to allow a group of super rich networked psychopaths to destroy the world and enslave us over it? Get well soon....

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Thoughts, @Occasional lurker

    , @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR

    The good Lord be with you Andrew.

    I could be easily be with you. AnotherChild#3's boyfriend has it now--feeling like crap and has lost all taste/smell --and she should have gotten it from him last weekend. She isolated from me for a few days, but seemed symptomless and we went to she and I both masking for Christmas and she tested negative yesterday. There's a decent chance she had it back in March and has antibodies.

    Too late to prevent, but keep on your C, D and especially your zinc and a zinc ionophore (i've been taking quercetin). Keep up your humidity (although the main benefit there is prevention). And your fluids. And just power on through. The folks near my age have been between "normal cold" and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.

    Wish you well.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob

    , @GeneralRipper
    @AndrewR

    Yeah, I had the flu a few years back myself. It does make you feel like shit.

    Stop being a drama queen.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  74. Pics or It Didn’t Happen

    Israel Is Inoculating 4 Times as Fast as US

    Pricks or it didn’t happen!

  75. @dinnty
    Can no one divide? It's a little more than 4 times as fast. Not 6. On the plus side, people so respect your abilities, Steve, that no one tried to use the built in calculator in Google.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “On the plus side, people so respect your abilities, Steve, that no one tried to use the built in calculator in Google.”

    Wrong. Nobody respects Sailer after his pussylanimous reaction to CoronaHoax and those podcasts that revealed his strangled, defective, and oddly high-pitched voice – viz, a voice made for print. A simple math error is fully normal and unsurprising at this point.

  76. @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

    I’m so sick of this weasel argument. If the dollars Israel gets are so insignificant, how about give ’em back? Yeah, THAT’s gonna happen, sure.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JSM

    You're sick of it because it refutes the point you're trying to make.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

  77. @Bigdicknick
    @Art Deco

    That's not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Art Deco

    We goyim get paid back in full when the Rapture comes.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Um, about that...I have in front of me this Senior Secured Financing and Subordination Agreement, together with copies of UCC-1's, filed in the Thessalonians County Clerk's Office, evidencing "a perfected senior security interest in all assets, tangible and intangible, whether now existing or hereafter acquired,..."

    Executive summary: You get ten cents on the dollar, payable over five years, no interest. So nice doing religious ecstasy with you.

  78. @RichardTaylor
    But the USA has an average IQ of 98. And it's only 94 in Israel. How can they be outperforming us?

    We got the Really Smart androgynous boys at Harvard who done real good on the SAT ("Oh Mommy, Mommy, I got to sit next to an Ashkenazi Head Case at lunch!). Surely our esteemed elite class is doing the best with our Ivy League Big Brains on the case.

    But then again, they've been dealing with so much "intellectual dynamism" the Ashkenazi brought, like trying figure out what their pronouns should be. They got a lot on their plate.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Nachum

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-test-widest-educational-gap-between-hebrew-arabic-speaking-israeli-kids/

    OECD finds record educational gulf between Hebrew, Arabic-speaking Israeli kids

    Survey of 79 countries shows Israel has worst socioeconomic gap; education minister sets up working group after dire scores in Arab sector in reading, math, sciences
    …………………
    In the PISA tests, Hebrew speakers scored 506 points in reading skills, the same as the previous assessment. However, Arabic speakers scored just 362 points, a drop of 29 points.

    The OECD average is 487 points, with the overall Israeli average at 470 points.

    In mathematics, Hebrew speakers remained at 490 points but Arabic speakers scored 379, a drop of 12 points. The OECD average is 489, with Israel’s average at 463, down seven points.

    Finally, in the sciences, Hebrew-speaking Israeli students remained at 491 points, while Arabic-speaking students dropped 26 points to 375. The OECD average is 489 points and Israel’s average is 462, down five points since 2015.

  79. @Anon7
    "Israel’s population is about 9 million."

    "Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people."

    I sense a discrepancy.

    A vaccine in Palestine? Sorry, Israeli settlers only

    Israel has bought five million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was vaccinated early on Dec. 20. His counterpart in the West Bank is somewhat more vulnerable, as President Mahmoud Abbas is in his eighties. He, like his fellow residents (Palestinians are not citizens of their own state of course), do not qualify for the vaccines from their military overlords.

    Five million Palestinians in occupied territory do not appear on Israel’s vaccination program. Illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank will get the vaccine, but not their Palestinian Arab neighbors. It is reminiscent of howIsraeli citizens had access to gas masks when Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was launching missiles.
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    Well, although some Israeli Jewish do-gooders protest, I don’t see an issue here. Citizens of Israel will be inoculated. Arabs make up 20% of Israeli citizens; Israeli Jewish settlers in West Bank are also Israeli citizens. They will be vaccinated equally.

    Arabs in Gaza & West Bank are not Israeli citizens. They have their own separate health system, school system etc. Putting aside the fact that Arabs in those lands are in the state of permanent warfare with Israel (and all Jews), Israel has no legal obligation to get vaccine & inoculate them. One should not confuse Israeli Arabs (20% of Israel’s population) with Palestinians in those two territories.

    My opinion: if they tried, they would be accused again of interfering with Palestinian suzerainty & people, or trying to diminish the Palestinian authority or Hamas controlled Gaza. Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re guilty.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re guilty.

    Their brigands have a financial pipeline from abroad that the Black Panther Party lacked. If they were more intelligent and organized than American blacks, they'd produce more goods and services that do American blacks, which they do not. .

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @jimmy1969

  80. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    Good luck, man.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Thanks: AndrewR
  81. Phil Niekro died this weekend. He had been dealing with cancer for a while.

    https://www.mlb.com/news/phil-niekro-dies-at-81

    Niekro tallied far more wins (121) and innings (1,977) after turning 40 than any pitcher in baseball history.

  82. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    Don’t worry, you’ll be OK. I’ve gone through it & I am anything but healthy from my adolescence.

    If not, you know ….. thoughts and prayers …. you’ll live in our hearts ….

    • LOL: AndrewR
  83. OT Knuckleball legend Phil Niekro has died. I know nothing about baseball and misheard his name.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @J.Ross

    Phil was a good Niekro. So was his bro, Joe.

  84. @Reg Cæsar
    @glib


    ...we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil.
     
    They pushed Griswold and Roe through decades ago. The US population is at least 125 million larger in 2020 than in 1970.

    So their depopulation strategy is somewhat selective.

    Replies: @diconezhardly, @J.Ross

    It would be. Brazil the model. The numbers of people who don’t matter do not themselves matter; the favelas sort themselves out. White working and middle class people capable of organization must be eliminated because they can (even if they do not) pose a threat.

  85. @Old and Grumpy
    All that free American money makes it easy to buy vaccines for the population. I am assuming it is for the Jewish one only. Can you imagine what we could do with our money if we just kept it here?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    All that free American money makes it easy to buy vaccines for the population.

    Again, the aid is in the form of credits to purchase military equipment, and amounts to just north of 1% of the country’s gross domestic income.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  86. @BenKenobi
    @That Would Be Telling

    I’m so glad you suddenly showed up to lecture all us benighted plebs about the wonders of the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful vaccine in history.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Lot

    The comments definitely needs a “sock puppet” action.

  87. @Bigdicknick
    @Art Deco

    That's not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Art Deco

    That’s not counting the wars we fight for israel i.e. iraq, Syria and maybe soon iran

    The notion we’ve fought ‘wars for Israel’ is a fiction. While we’re at it, the notion we’ve been fighting a war in Syria is also a fiction.

    • Agree: Jack D, Nachum
  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, let's assume that third world countries are slow to utilize the vaccine. Would that imply that the virus could continue to mutate significantly?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @DextersLabRat

    The longer it’s around in more diverse populations the higher the risk of mutation, so basically yes. If it cannot be controlled in large swaths of Africa, Asia etc. we may see their travel massively restricted to the West.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @epebble
    @DextersLabRat

    Large swaths of Africa and Asia are relatively unaffected (compared to West); so they may already have some immunity due to other reasons. Also, sufficiently large fraction of Westerners would remain unvaccinated for a number of reasons that virus will have no problem continuing mutations.
    End result will be similar to what we have now with influenza and common cold. Fewer people will die and we will learn to live with it. It already kills only 2% of the infected (400,000 out of 20+ millions ).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

  89. @Travis
    Coronavirus deaths of elderly folks have been used to justify business & school closures.
    The same people attacking us for killing Grandmom are refusing to inoculate my grandmother while they vaccinate mostly healthy people under the age of 40.

    In Massachusetts they have vaccinated 23,000 people under the age of 50 and just 715 people over the age of 70. https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-covid-19-vaccination-report-12-24-2020/download

    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mike Tre

    That would be telling.

  90. @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    7 million is more than enough for everyone; under-18s won't be vaccinated at all.

    Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?

    The highest priority is Jerusalem, because it's the hardest-hit big city. And Jerusalem is about 40% Arab.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?’

    It’s based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    …plus their actual track record.

    Does that suffice?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Colin Wright

    '‘Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?’

    'It’s based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    '…plus their actual track record.

    'Does that suffice?'


    Lol. I don't know my own strength.


    'Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives'

    -- Haaretz

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  91. @utu
    @Inquiring Mind

    "The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine." - As long as the vaccinated who mingle among the unvaccinated gentiles wear the yellow star.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘“The Community should be given A-1 Express access to the vaccine.” – As long as the vaccinated who mingle among the unvaccinated gentiles wear the yellow star.’

    Be reasonable and humane. Only Jews who haven’t been vaccinated should have to wear a yellow star.

  92. @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

    ‘American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.’

    You’re leaving out what they steal. Just to cite one example, during the decade the ‘binary options’ scam ran, that was netting about ten billion a year. Then Israel is the global leader in the illegal human organ traffic. And she’s a big player in White Slavery. And then there are charitable donations…

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Colin Wright

    None of that pays for Israeli government operations. (Especially because the illegal ones are, well, illegal and don't pay taxes.) Israelis pay plenty of taxes for their government work.

    , @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You’re leaving out what they steal.

    I'm leaving out whatever you've dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, 'tis true.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  93. @anon
    "This vaccine is terrible, and such small portions".

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    May be, but it’s a ten-course meal, with repeated follow-up injections and endless new strain$-du-jour to be treated (the primary strain being credulity). Plus, you’ll feel plenty full after – of nanotech, genetic modification (and who knows, maybe exotic, exhilarating, Thalidomide-like birth defects), toxic additives, infertility, Bell’s palsy, a short-lived, false sense of security and smugness, and the wet dreams of Fauci, Gates, Schwab, Soros, and the rest of demedical, demonic deMedicis.

    For added adventure, thousands of medical personnel, having injected each other, will be out of commission when needed for all the other injured. And the government – “our” government – has protected the purveyors from liability for injury to human guinea pigs. Lucy the oligarch wishes Charlie Brown the prole a heartfelt thank-you – again.

  94. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Thanks: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Gary in Gramercy

    "Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon."

    Lol. So much solemnity over the common coronasniffles. Eat some chicky noodle and quaff some 7-Up, you'll be fine little camper.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  95. @Lot
    @J.Ross

    “ nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else”

    Official US covid death count of 330k lines up pretty well with 2020 excess death count over trend of about 400k.

    Unzers believe so many conspiracy theories, elites must have a terrible time keeping track of all their conspiracies. Maybe there’s an app on Play Store for it?

    Now this 330 and 400k does overstate how bad Covid is, because it is pulling forward deaths of the sick elderly that otherwise would have happened in 2021, not killing the young and healthy. So the second half of 2021 will likely have the lowest number of deaths in the USA in the past 20 years, and 2022 below trend as well.

    The shift to WFH and lockdowns are also decreasing deaths from auto and other accidents of the young and healthy.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    So much lying as to CVirus — the CDC has admitted that only 6% of the 330,000 actually died of the CVirus as opposed to dying “with” it in a car crash, suicide, cancer etc. — so the true number is much closer to that number — 19,800. The interstellar hysteria as hyped by the Globalist owned Mainslime Media was intended to do what it has done — destroy economies to set up The Great Reset of the NWO Banksters — with a plague of NWO “medical” experts/Faucis seeded in at every level (in Government etc. also) this was easy to accomplish and on cue they all went to work having “gamed” it previously with the Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation — along with Neal Ferguson “Models” and propaganda that would embarrass Goebbels — the fact people so glibly lie about all of this in superior tones is pathetic.: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/

    • Replies: @HA
    @Getaclue

    "So much lying as to CVirus — the CDC has admitted that only 6% of the 330,000 actually died of the CVirus as opposed to dying “with” it in a car crash, suicide, cancer etc."

    So if you admit that 330,000 actually died, it's pretty weird that such an anomalous number should be dying right about now from all those car crashes and cancer diagnoses, not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of those deaths involved conditions such as respiratory failure, cytokine storms, etc. You really want to pretend those were all motorcycle accidents? That's the hill you're going to die on?

    And by the way, how many of those dying of AIDS actually died 'of' HIV as opposed to dying 'with' it? I suspect it's a lot lower than 6%. That doesn't mean AIDS is imaginary, or that we should be cavalier about letting HIV get into the blood supply.

    In other words, if the lies you're peddling are supposed to be an improvement on what the CDC is feeding us, they need work

  96. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 — had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it – – it was terrible, many thousands died I do believe — no one cared. It was not politicized/weaponized as part of a Globalist NWO Great Reset and Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation hadn’t “gamed” and “planned” it yet as to how to weaponize it nor set up Faucis and Neal Fergusons to do their bit at various levels where they have seeded in thousands of these NWO “Expert” lackeys to bring in Medical Martial Law on us….Sucks to be sick but to allow a group of super rich networked psychopaths to destroy the world and enslave us over it? Get well soon….

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Getaclue

    "I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 — had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it"

    I had pig flu or whatevs in 2009, had it for two months, was pulling long strings of black, purple, red linguini from my lungs, like 15-inch strands, worst flu I ever had - in my early thirties. And here I am. I'd rather get that every single winter in exchange for never ever seeing one more imbecile walking around with a diaper on his face.

    , @Thoughts
    @Getaclue

    Yupp.

    H1N1: No one cared. Not one person. Lots of young people getting cytokine storms.

    Now the libs on my facebook page get a sinus headache and the sniffles from Covid and it's non-stop 'Get well soon' parade of worry

    On top of this militant 'If you go against the official Covid narrative....everyone is dying...don't you know that...and they are dying because of you evil Trump supporter!'

    I see a lot of sensationalist reporting, but nothing in my real life to back up the body counts. Now, that doesn't mean it's fake. I don't know any Hispanics or Blacks in NY/LA.

    I did see an article about 'People in hospital beds lining the halls of the hospital' Well I was just at a hospital and there were several old people in hospital beds lining the hall...yet no one was panicking or busy...I think they were just cleaning out the rooms.

    The Media is evil.

    I want to do a Babylon Bee article

    'No one attends terminal cancer patients funeral...all to busy posting condolences to person with the Sniffles from Covid'

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Occasional lurker
    @Getaclue

    It probably was swine flu in 2009, and that was from the American cointinent like the 1918 flu that it somewhat resembled.
    The globalists are neoliberals who did not want to restrict travel or impose quarantines either now or then because freedom and growth, you know, so in 2009 under Tom Frieden the US CDC and Obama admin decided against quarantining people returning from Mexico where it had first broken out and let swine flu lose on the world after Mexico had tried to contain it (they used masks, too). Swine flu spared the elderly risks group because they had some immunity from strains that had circulated in their youth, that's why the mortality numbers und the intensive care numbers didn't rise as high. They planned to do nothing about Covid, too, but were forced by Bergamo that showed how an unmitigated outbreak would look like in a country with lots of elderly.
    This was not planned, although special interest groups are clearly using it to their advantage.

  97. @Colin Wright
    @International Jew

    'Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?'

    It's based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    ...plus their actual track record.

    Does that suffice?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘‘Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?’

    ‘It’s based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    ‘…plus their actual track record.

    ‘Does that suffice?’

    Lol. I don’t know my own strength.

    ‘Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives’

    — Haaretz

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    Lol. I don’t know my own strength.

    ‘Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives’

    Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wielgus

  98. @BenKenobi
    @That Would Be Telling

    I’m so glad you suddenly showed up to lecture all us benighted plebs about the wonders of the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful vaccine in history.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Lot

    He’s my favorite new megaposter.

  99. @Gary in Gramercy
    @AndrewR

    Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon.”

    Lol. So much solemnity over the common coronasniffles. Eat some chicky noodle and quaff some 7-Up, you’ll be fine little camper.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I almost admire your insouciance in the face of another's illness. I'm not sure I could manage that kind of devil-may-care attitude.

    If, for instance, you were so unfortunate as to come down with the coronavirus, I'd probably wish you well, with hopes for a speedy recovery. I'd hesitate to make light of your misery, even if it's only a temporary case of the "sniffles."

    Stay healthy. Really. It sucks to be sick, it's hell to be unwell.

  100. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    FWIW, there is no real time reporting system for covid vaccine inoculations. It goes through State public health reporting systems, that can be slow.

    So far the states have gotten 9 million doses and have done what they have done. I personally know two health workers that have gotten shots.

    There is no reason the states can’t roll this out quickly. But we don’t exactly know.

  101. @Getaclue
    @AndrewR

    I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 -- had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it - - it was terrible, many thousands died I do believe -- no one cared. It was not politicized/weaponized as part of a Globalist NWO Great Reset and Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation hadn't "gamed" and "planned" it yet as to how to weaponize it nor set up Faucis and Neal Fergusons to do their bit at various levels where they have seeded in thousands of these NWO "Expert" lackeys to bring in Medical Martial Law on us....Sucks to be sick but to allow a group of super rich networked psychopaths to destroy the world and enslave us over it? Get well soon....

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Thoughts, @Occasional lurker

    “I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 — had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it”

    I had pig flu or whatevs in 2009, had it for two months, was pulling long strings of black, purple, red linguini from my lungs, like 15-inch strands, worst flu I ever had – in my early thirties. And here I am. I’d rather get that every single winter in exchange for never ever seeing one more imbecile walking around with a diaper on his face.

  102. @Getaclue
    @AndrewR

    I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 -- had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it - - it was terrible, many thousands died I do believe -- no one cared. It was not politicized/weaponized as part of a Globalist NWO Great Reset and Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation hadn't "gamed" and "planned" it yet as to how to weaponize it nor set up Faucis and Neal Fergusons to do their bit at various levels where they have seeded in thousands of these NWO "Expert" lackeys to bring in Medical Martial Law on us....Sucks to be sick but to allow a group of super rich networked psychopaths to destroy the world and enslave us over it? Get well soon....

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Thoughts, @Occasional lurker

    Yupp.

    H1N1: No one cared. Not one person. Lots of young people getting cytokine storms.

    Now the libs on my facebook page get a sinus headache and the sniffles from Covid and it’s non-stop ‘Get well soon’ parade of worry

    On top of this militant ‘If you go against the official Covid narrative….everyone is dying…don’t you know that…and they are dying because of you evil Trump supporter!’

    I see a lot of sensationalist reporting, but nothing in my real life to back up the body counts. Now, that doesn’t mean it’s fake. I don’t know any Hispanics or Blacks in NY/LA.

    I did see an article about ‘People in hospital beds lining the halls of the hospital’ Well I was just at a hospital and there were several old people in hospital beds lining the hall…yet no one was panicking or busy…I think they were just cleaning out the rooms.

    The Media is evil.

    I want to do a Babylon Bee article

    ‘No one attends terminal cancer patients funeral…all to busy posting condolences to person with the Sniffles from Covid’

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Thoughts

    We live in a post-truth age where there are many easy-to-digest narratives around for various groups to pick and choose from. Government officials openly lie to us and put anti-white ideology over science. It's hard to know what to believe.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  103. @Anon7
    "Israel’s population is about 9 million."

    "Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people."

    I sense a discrepancy.

    A vaccine in Palestine? Sorry, Israeli settlers only

    Israel has bought five million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was vaccinated early on Dec. 20. His counterpart in the West Bank is somewhat more vulnerable, as President Mahmoud Abbas is in his eighties. He, like his fellow residents (Palestinians are not citizens of their own state of course), do not qualify for the vaccines from their military overlords.

    Five million Palestinians in occupied territory do not appear on Israel’s vaccination program. Illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank will get the vaccine, but not their Palestinian Arab neighbors. It is reminiscent of howIsraeli citizens had access to gas masks when Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was launching missiles.
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    Palestine has a government with a President – he’s even named in the Arab News story. The Palestinian government is supposed to be in charge of basic municipal functions such as health care in Palestinian controlled areas. They begged and fought for autonomy and they got it. No Israelis at all go into Gaza. So now that they have autonomy they whine that the Israelis aren’t taking care of them. They sound like teenagers. Maybe their rich Arab friends can pitch in and donate the funds to buy the vaccine for them and Iran can buy it for their Hamas buddies. Although the Pali leaders will probably just steal the $ – that’s how it usually works. Arafat supposedly was worth a billion $, all stolen.

    In Israel proper, all Israeli citizens, including its millions of Arab citizens, will get the vaccine from their government.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    No Israelis at all go into Gaza.
     
    Non-Arab Israeli civilians who enter Gaza or the West Bank tend to end up hostages, if they're lucky, or in the morgue. Whereas Palestinian Arab civilians who enter Israel to work, legally or otherwise, aren't generally harmed, and certainly neither systematically taken hostage nor killed.
  104. @That Would Be Telling
    @Bill H


    "The duration of vaccine immunity is unknown." and that, “It is unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19.”

    In other words, they are engaging in hyperbole about the enormous accomplishment ofn achieving a vaccine at “warp speed,” and at the same time telling us that it is a complete nothing burger because we don’t actually know if it does any good.
     
    I'm impressed, you quote us two clear and correct statements, then lie about what they say, and expect us to believe you, not the statements??

    The duration is by definition unknown, as is the duration of natural immunity, seeing as how this is a new virus and thus new vaccines for it. But based on serological (blood) studies it looks like it's going to be plenty "durable." And it's not very practical to do a serious test of their ability to stop transmission in a normal Phase III trial, we again are depending on the serological studies which say both types of immune system reactions are like those we've seen with other viruses and vaccines for them where they do stop transmission.

    But even then its no small good thing that Phase 1A healthcare workers aren't going get sick with COVID-19 and be off work perhaps when their hospital is in dire need of staff, and that the most vulnerable in our nursing homes are going to get some direct protection. Plenty of time to find answers to those two current unknowns.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Dumbo

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It’s not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected
     
    Please show your math. Official sources say that the US has had around 20 million cases with 340,000 dead so a fatality rate of 1.7%. or 40x your number. If there are 340,000 dead and the death rate is only .04% that means that 850 million out of the 350 million people in US have had it. At .04% we would have hit herd immunity somewhere around 100,000 deaths but that doesn't seem to have happened at all. So I suspect that your .04% number is not just wrong but WAY wrong. Insanely wrong. Of course if you start with such flawed data you are going to reach incorrect conclusions.

    Replies: @res

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.
     
    Dumbo:

    -- a reasonable estimate for the IFR is probably an order of magnitude higher--0.4%, 0.5% something like that. We've known this since the Diamond Princess came back with the first decent bounded sample set. (IFR 2% on a very elderly skewing population, that translates to something like 0.5% on a US style population distribution.) Nothing since has changed that estimate. (You're most over 80 perhaps an overstatement. But fortunately, you're right this really is overwhelmingly a geezer killer and doesn't pose much risk of death to normal healthy young folks--working, making babies, raising kids.)

    -- if the vaccine crushes infection it will crush transmission as well. It may not completely "prevent" it but it will crush it so much it might as well.


    Finally, people take vaccines for the fricking flu. Because getting the flu can be very unpleasant and cutting the circulation minimizes the number of folks getting that unpleasantness, including those highly vulnerable--newborns and the very old.

    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system. Way, way, way, way better than having Xi's virus making your cells replicate it--a true invader population explosion.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Dumbo

    "Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer."

    I ignored the obvious shill 'Telling' faster than you can say Dr. Dan Hessin.

    Replies: @anon

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Dumbo


    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It’s not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.
     
    You clearly don't know anything about the scientific mindset.

    You also lie, I don't defend the AZ/Oxford clown show, have the usual reservations about any pharmaceutical coming out of the PRC (says a lot the world trusts India more for finished drugs), and have been pointing out the politicization of Sputnik V, and just yesterday how all of the above aren't (yet) Phase III testing per FDA requirements of participants and COVID-19 cases, except for Sinovac's CoronaVac which has enough cases in their trial in Brazil, although they're still crunching the data.
  105. @Mark G.
    @Travis


    In Chicago more people in their twenties vaccinated than people over the age of 55. Truly hard to understand why so many people under the age of 30 are being vaccinated while so few over the age of 65 are being vaccinated.
     
    The elderly are much more likely to die from this so if you vaccinate them first there might be a big drop in deaths. This will lead to a decrease in fear levels for the population in general and they may then decide not to get vaccinated. There will also be less pressure to make the vaccine mandatory for everyone. The companies who developed the vaccine may not want a situation developing where there is a rapid drop in demand for their vaccine, possibly even to the point where unsold doses are sitting in their warehouses.

    Politicians have also used this epidemic to have the power turned over to them to decide who should benefit and who should have to sacrifice during this epidemic. The problem here is that if you give government leaders this power they may someday use it to sacrifice you for the benefit of them and their family and friends. Most government leaders are not selfless individuals concerned only for the common good. To gain more power, they may have exaggerated the danger of this virus to the average person while also making it worse than it needed to be by blocking or belittling simple and inexpensive methods that would have dropped the death totals like common nutritional supplements or HCQ or, now, the misallocation of a vaccine that will quickly end the epidemic if given to the right groups.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In the NY Times there is a panel discussion of “ethics experts” led by Emily Bazelon on who should get the vaccine. Mostly it is a Leftist clown show with various Peoples of Color trying to outflank each other from the Left – one says people of color in the US should get it first. Then another chimes in and says, no the people of the Global South should get it first. Etc. One “expert” reminds us how ethics demands that the Democrats to win both open seats in Georgia, another pushes his vaccine tracking software. Altogether about what you’d expect in the NY Times nowadays.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/magazine/who-should-get-the-covid-vaccine-next.html

    BUT, almost by accident, they do make a few valid points. One is that perhaps we should be looking at quality of life years lost and not just deaths, so even though the 90 year old is say 4x more likely to die from the ‘rona vs. say an average 70 year old, the 70 year old might have 5x the number of quality of life years remaining and so may be more deserving.

    2nd, someone mentions that it is common not to treat pneumonia, even with antibiotics, for really far gone Alzheimer’s patient – in our society we don’t euthanize such people like dogs the way they do in some places but neither is it right to prolong their suffering when a merciful God wants to call them to their rest. So vaccinating such people would be equally wrong.

    And lastly one mentions that if the vaccine went to the highest risk group first, there would have been a lot of anti-vax stories about how my grandma got the vaccine last week and then she died 3 days later. By giving it to a relatively healthy group of doctor, nurses and other health care workers, there are going to be fewer “grandma died from the vaccine ” stories.

  106. @Colin Wright
    @Colin Wright

    '‘Your insinuations about Jews getting priority over Arabs are based on what evidence?’

    'It’s based on the extreme and doctrinal racism of the Zionist state.

    '…plus their actual track record.

    'Does that suffice?'


    Lol. I don't know my own strength.


    'Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives'

    -- Haaretz

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Lol. I don’t know my own strength.

    ‘Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives’

    Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.'

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Wielgus
    @kaganovitch

    If the dread contagion is as dread as they claim, then by denying access to a vaccine, they are compassing the death of prisoners.

  107. @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It's not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @That Would Be Telling

    for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected

    Please show your math. Official sources say that the US has had around 20 million cases with 340,000 dead so a fatality rate of 1.7%. or 40x your number. If there are 340,000 dead and the death rate is only .04% that means that 850 million out of the 350 million people in US have had it. At .04% we would have hit herd immunity somewhere around 100,000 deaths but that doesn’t seem to have happened at all. So I suspect that your .04% number is not just wrong but WAY wrong. Insanely wrong. Of course if you start with such flawed data you are going to reach incorrect conclusions.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    It helps if you both talk about the same thing. CFR and IFR are different.

  108. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    The good Lord be with you Andrew.

    I could be easily be with you. AnotherChild#3’s boyfriend has it now–feeling like crap and has lost all taste/smell –and she should have gotten it from him last weekend. She isolated from me for a few days, but seemed symptomless and we went to she and I both masking for Christmas and she tested negative yesterday. There’s a decent chance she had it back in March and has antibodies.

    Too late to prevent, but keep on your C, D and especially your zinc and a zinc ionophore (i’ve been taking quercetin). Keep up your humidity (although the main benefit there is prevention). And your fluids. And just power on through. The folks near my age have been between “normal cold” and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.

    Wish you well.

    • Thanks: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    The folks near my age have been between “normal cold” and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.
     
    As another data point, my mother-in-law's caretaker, age 70, spent a week in the hospital just before Thanksgiving. She's home now and is still on oxygen, over a month later, although she reports that she only needs it now on occasion and not all the time. But she's far from being able to go back to work. I don't know if she ever will or maybe it will take her 6 months before she has regained her stamina. So yes this disease, even if it doesn't kill you (and the death rates for those 0ver 65 are nothing to be sneezed at) can really kick your ass, especially if you are older.

    Anecdotal evidence is not that helpful though because the disease seems to have a real spectrum of effects, ranging from nothing to moderate cold (say 80%), a serious illness requiring hospitalization and/or several weeks of lost work (maybe 20%) and even death (up 1.5%), and these range by age (the older, the worser). So unless you know hundreds of people who have had it, your personal knowledge may not be representative.
    , @Rob
    @AnotherDad

    Would you ask your daughter’s bf if he lost his sense of ‘taste’, or if he lost his actual sense of taste: sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami? As we all know, most ‘tastes’ are actually smells. The are just perceived differently. Very hard to believe, but scientists swear up and down that it’s true. On the other hand, they used to tell us that different tastes were perceived on different areas of the tongue, sweet in front, etc. Nope, all sorts of taste buds are everywhere on the tongue.

    I once worked with a Cuban guy who wore so much cologne that I could taste it whenever I talked to him face to face. Ever since I have wondered if the cologned air ended up in my mouth, so I tasted it, or whether any sufficiently strong odor is perceived as taste.

    I’m very interested in whether corona-Chan kills taste bud tastes.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  109. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Guardian

    The year of Karen: how a meme changed the way Americans talked about racism

    "The image of a white woman calling police on Black people put the lie to the myth of racial innocence" - thus sayeth Julie Carrie Wong

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    “The image of a white woman calling police on Black people put the lie to the myth of racial innocence” – thus sayeth Julie Carrie Wong

    One thing that never gets asked is, “Who called the cops on George Floyd?” He was passing phony notes at Cup (not Cub) Foods & supposedly it was a worker there who called the cops. My guess is it was a Somali, but I can guarantee you it was no white lady. She’d be Public Enemy #1 if it was.

    • Replies: @Old Jew
    @duncsbaby

    IIRC it was a teenager from Nigeria (legit in the USA) who was a temporary hire. he had been in the USA for only 2 month.

    The store, Cup Foods owner (Arab) said, they never call the cops on bad dollar bills (it is a frequent occurrence in the neighborhood) ,but put the culprit "on probation" for 2 years [do not sell to him, and there is nowhere else to go].

    Perhaps Mr. Floyd knew the store policy, but the young Nigerian boy did not know it

  110. @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It's not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @That Would Be Telling

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    Dumbo:

    — a reasonable estimate for the IFR is probably an order of magnitude higher–0.4%, 0.5% something like that. We’ve known this since the Diamond Princess came back with the first decent bounded sample set. (IFR 2% on a very elderly skewing population, that translates to something like 0.5% on a US style population distribution.) Nothing since has changed that estimate. (You’re most over 80 perhaps an overstatement. But fortunately, you’re right this really is overwhelmingly a geezer killer and doesn’t pose much risk of death to normal healthy young folks–working, making babies, raising kids.)

    — if the vaccine crushes infection it will crush transmission as well. It may not completely “prevent” it but it will crush it so much it might as well.

    Finally, people take vaccines for the fricking flu. Because getting the flu can be very unpleasant and cutting the circulation minimizes the number of folks getting that unpleasantness, including those highly vulnerable–newborns and the very old.

    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system. Way, way, way, way better than having Xi’s virus making your cells replicate it–a true invader population explosion.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @AnotherDad

    So take the vaccine. Take the flu vaccine. Take any vaccine you want. I don't care.

    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas), concerts or even work for choosing not to take the Covid vaccine.

    Also that "lockdowns" and masks, while useless and negative, are here to stay. Even after the vaccine. For any other "virus" that might appear. Is that OK to you?


    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system
     
    Sounds exciting. I'm anxious to be a guinea pig for that... not. However, I don't deny those who want.

    Replies: @Jack D

  111. @J.Ross
    OT Knuckleball legend Phil Niekro has died. I know nothing about baseball and misheard his name.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYWcuD77lwo

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Phil was a good Niekro. So was his bro, Joe.

  112. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    Lol. I don’t know my own strength.

    ‘Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives’

    Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wielgus

    ‘Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.’

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    I would indeed.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  113. Meanwhile…

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Rob
    @Anon

    Is that Alden? Jesse? Whoever that is, she would be right at home on Unz.

  114. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.
     
    Dumbo:

    -- a reasonable estimate for the IFR is probably an order of magnitude higher--0.4%, 0.5% something like that. We've known this since the Diamond Princess came back with the first decent bounded sample set. (IFR 2% on a very elderly skewing population, that translates to something like 0.5% on a US style population distribution.) Nothing since has changed that estimate. (You're most over 80 perhaps an overstatement. But fortunately, you're right this really is overwhelmingly a geezer killer and doesn't pose much risk of death to normal healthy young folks--working, making babies, raising kids.)

    -- if the vaccine crushes infection it will crush transmission as well. It may not completely "prevent" it but it will crush it so much it might as well.


    Finally, people take vaccines for the fricking flu. Because getting the flu can be very unpleasant and cutting the circulation minimizes the number of folks getting that unpleasantness, including those highly vulnerable--newborns and the very old.

    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system. Way, way, way, way better than having Xi's virus making your cells replicate it--a true invader population explosion.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    So take the vaccine. Take the flu vaccine. Take any vaccine you want. I don’t care.

    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas), concerts or even work for choosing not to take the Covid vaccine.

    Also that “lockdowns” and masks, while useless and negative, are here to stay. Even after the vaccine. For any other “virus” that might appear. Is that OK to you?

    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system

    Sounds exciting. I’m anxious to be a guinea pig for that… not. However, I don’t deny those who want.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas ),
     
    The airlines just want your money and don't really care whether you have covid or not. If there are travel restrictions they will be imposed by places (e.g. Australia) that have almost conquered covid and don't want people bring in fresh infections to restart it. Up until now, Australia has required that everyone coming in spend two weeks in a quarantine hotel (at first the government was paying, now you have to pay, a lot) to make sure they weren't bring infection in.

    There is talk that if you can prove that you have had the vaccine then they won't require you to stay in quarantine. So the vaccine is really a benefit, saving people who wish/need to travel to Australia two weeks and thousand of $. But if you don't want to take it and would rather spend two weeks locked up, you could do that too - vaccination is probably going to be an alternative to quarantine, not a replacement for it, at least at first.

    But the main thing is that Australia is a sovereign state and they can impose whatever conditions they want for people to come into their country. It's not unusual for countries to require certain vaccinations as a condition of granting a visa. And there are a lot of countries that choose to balance public health vs. individual freedom differently than we do in the US so it would not surprise me if some places do eventually make the vaccine mandatory for their citizens just as some states in the US require (with various loopholes) children to have certain vaccinations in order to attend school. There's an old saying that your freedom to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins. It's fine to worry about your freedom not to take the vaccine but you have to take into account the effect that your actions (or inactions) will have on other people.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @epebble

  115. @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.'

    You're leaving out what they steal. Just to cite one example, during the decade the 'binary options' scam ran, that was netting about ten billion a year. Then Israel is the global leader in the illegal human organ traffic. And she's a big player in White Slavery. And then there are charitable donations...

    Replies: @Nachum, @Art Deco

    None of that pays for Israeli government operations. (Especially because the illegal ones are, well, illegal and don’t pay taxes.) Israelis pay plenty of taxes for their government work.

  116. @Thoughts
    @Getaclue

    Yupp.

    H1N1: No one cared. Not one person. Lots of young people getting cytokine storms.

    Now the libs on my facebook page get a sinus headache and the sniffles from Covid and it's non-stop 'Get well soon' parade of worry

    On top of this militant 'If you go against the official Covid narrative....everyone is dying...don't you know that...and they are dying because of you evil Trump supporter!'

    I see a lot of sensationalist reporting, but nothing in my real life to back up the body counts. Now, that doesn't mean it's fake. I don't know any Hispanics or Blacks in NY/LA.

    I did see an article about 'People in hospital beds lining the halls of the hospital' Well I was just at a hospital and there were several old people in hospital beds lining the hall...yet no one was panicking or busy...I think they were just cleaning out the rooms.

    The Media is evil.

    I want to do a Babylon Bee article

    'No one attends terminal cancer patients funeral...all to busy posting condolences to person with the Sniffles from Covid'

    Replies: @AndrewR

    We live in a post-truth age where there are many easy-to-digest narratives around for various groups to pick and choose from. Government officials openly lie to us and put anti-white ideology over science. It’s hard to know what to believe.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @AndrewR

    "Government officials openly lie to us and put anti-white ideology over science. It’s hard to know what to believe."

    They don't lie as much as you think they do, and they certainly do not hold an "anti-white ideology".
    It's just easier to think that way.

    "It's hard to know what to believe".

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…


    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”
     
  117. @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It's not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @That Would Be Telling

    “Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer.”

    I ignored the obvious shill ‘Telling’ faster than you can say Dr. Dan Hessin.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I ignored the obvious shill ‘Telling’ faster than you can say Dr. Dan Hessin.

    Lol. Reading comprehension...

  118. @RichardTaylor
    But the USA has an average IQ of 98. And it's only 94 in Israel. How can they be outperforming us?

    We got the Really Smart androgynous boys at Harvard who done real good on the SAT ("Oh Mommy, Mommy, I got to sit next to an Ashkenazi Head Case at lunch!). Surely our esteemed elite class is doing the best with our Ivy League Big Brains on the case.

    But then again, they've been dealing with so much "intellectual dynamism" the Ashkenazi brought, like trying figure out what their pronouns should be. They got a lot on their plate.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Nachum

    That 94 in Israel includes a 20% Arab population. And of the Jewish population, over 50% are not Ashkenazi.

  119. @glib
    A much better question would be to ask why the elites are so united behind this. The media owned by high finance (globalist) push it 24/7/365, and Bibi (Israel first) is the first to lock down his country (last September) and the first to vaccinate on TV (or pretend to).

    To me there is only one answer: we are past peak oil, with a financial system completely bankrupt, and they are turning the screws to make sure the West is under their control, and they can de-populate it along with the decline in oil. My best guess is that most national elites are also along for this ride, by hook or by crook they understand the need to reduce the population.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FLgeezer, @Nachum

    Last September? What are you talking about? Israel wasn’t locked down until well into 2020.

    • Replies: @glib
    @Nachum

    They were first in Fall 2020, specifically in September, which was the last september as of Dec. 2020.

    Replies: @Nachum

  120. @Nachum
    @glib

    Last September? What are you talking about? Israel wasn't locked down until well into 2020.

    Replies: @glib

    They were first in Fall 2020, specifically in September, which was the last september as of Dec. 2020.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @glib

    OK, I'd say "this September," as it's still 2020, but OK. Israel was locked down in the spring as well.

  121. @Colin Wright
    'Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people.'

    I wonder if that's calculated to be enough for half the people under Israeli rule, or enough for all the Jews?

    ...sounds more like inoculate all the Jews and let the gentiles die, but I won't jump to conclusions. It'll actually be mildly interesting if Israel starts simultaneously getting flak from overseas for giving priority to Jews and flak from the folks at home for giving any vaccine at all to gentiles while there are still Jews who haven't been innoculated.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Nachum, @Occasional lurker

    It would be kind of foolish not to inoculate a large part of the population that has a higher rate of incidence *and* lives side by side with everyone else, no? So of course it’s for everyone.

    And if you’re implying something about the West Bank and Gaza, well, virtually all of those people rule themselves, or would if they were a democracy.

  122. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Gary in Gramercy

    "Hope you feel better, and get well, very soon."

    Lol. So much solemnity over the common coronasniffles. Eat some chicky noodle and quaff some 7-Up, you'll be fine little camper.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I almost admire your insouciance in the face of another’s illness. I’m not sure I could manage that kind of devil-may-care attitude.

    If, for instance, you were so unfortunate as to come down with the coronavirus, I’d probably wish you well, with hopes for a speedy recovery. I’d hesitate to make light of your misery, even if it’s only a temporary case of the “sniffles.”

    Stay healthy. Really. It sucks to be sick, it’s hell to be unwell.

  123. @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.'

    You're leaving out what they steal. Just to cite one example, during the decade the 'binary options' scam ran, that was netting about ten billion a year. Then Israel is the global leader in the illegal human organ traffic. And she's a big player in White Slavery. And then there are charitable donations...

    Replies: @Nachum, @Art Deco

    You’re leaving out what they steal.

    I’m leaving out whatever you’ve dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, ’tis true.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'I’m leaving out whatever you’ve dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, ’tis true.'

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/binary-options/

    Replies: @Art Deco

  124. Looks like one place in the world they won’t need the vaccine is Antartica. Strange, but I haven’t heard of any cases presenting there. Cold, wet and windy weather. Limited sunlight. And a virus that looks like it’s been around for at least a year.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Jiminy


    Looks like one place in the world they won’t need the vaccine is Antartica. Strange, but I haven’t heard of any cases presenting there.
     
    COVID-19 arrived in Antarctica from a ship making a run to one of Chile's bases about a week ago, Wikipedia had a small article waiting for the event....
  125. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    Lol. I don’t know my own strength.

    ‘Israeli Minister Orders Not to Vaccinate Palestinian Security Prisoners, Despite COVID Directives’

    Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wielgus

    If the dread contagion is as dread as they claim, then by denying access to a vaccine, they are compassing the death of prisoners.

  126. @AnotherDad
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Obviously Wales needs more immigration.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Obviously Wales needs more immigration.”

    Of people who’ll take more from Social Security (welfare) than they’ll pay back in tax, while driving down wages for everyone else! What could possibly go wrong?

    (I know you had the /sarc tag on)

  127. @Dumbo
    @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It's not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    Fact is, people are being forced to take a vaccine that may not prevent transmission and may need to be repeated every six months to have any effect, for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected and most of them over 80 years old.

    And for that, people are still forced by authoritarian governments to stay in their homes and use stupid masks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @That Would Be Telling

    Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer. It’s not possible that someone is voluntarily so keen on defending vaccines in almost every single one of his posts. This goes beyond a mere mania.

    You clearly don’t know anything about the scientific mindset.

    You also lie, I don’t defend the AZ/Oxford clown show, have the usual reservations about any pharmaceutical coming out of the PRC (says a lot the world trusts India more for finished drugs), and have been pointing out the politicization of Sputnik V, and just yesterday how all of the above aren’t (yet) Phase III testing per FDA requirements of participants and COVID-19 cases, except for Sinovac’s CoronaVac which has enough cases in their trial in Brazil, although they’re still crunching the data.

  128. @Dumbo
    @AnotherDad

    So take the vaccine. Take the flu vaccine. Take any vaccine you want. I don't care.

    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas), concerts or even work for choosing not to take the Covid vaccine.

    Also that "lockdowns" and masks, while useless and negative, are here to stay. Even after the vaccine. For any other "virus" that might appear. Is that OK to you?


    This vaccine (mRNA variants) is even better than most. No live virus. No self-replication. Not even a dead virus. Just cons some of your cells into producing the spike protein for a day or so to piss off your immune system
     
    Sounds exciting. I'm anxious to be a guinea pig for that... not. However, I don't deny those who want.

    Replies: @Jack D

    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas ),

    The airlines just want your money and don’t really care whether you have covid or not. If there are travel restrictions they will be imposed by places (e.g. Australia) that have almost conquered covid and don’t want people bring in fresh infections to restart it. Up until now, Australia has required that everyone coming in spend two weeks in a quarantine hotel (at first the government was paying, now you have to pay, a lot) to make sure they weren’t bring infection in.

    There is talk that if you can prove that you have had the vaccine then they won’t require you to stay in quarantine. So the vaccine is really a benefit, saving people who wish/need to travel to Australia two weeks and thousand of $. But if you don’t want to take it and would rather spend two weeks locked up, you could do that too – vaccination is probably going to be an alternative to quarantine, not a replacement for it, at least at first.

    But the main thing is that Australia is a sovereign state and they can impose whatever conditions they want for people to come into their country. It’s not unusual for countries to require certain vaccinations as a condition of granting a visa. And there are a lot of countries that choose to balance public health vs. individual freedom differently than we do in the US so it would not surprise me if some places do eventually make the vaccine mandatory for their citizens just as some states in the US require (with various loopholes) children to have certain vaccinations in order to attend school. There’s an old saying that your freedom to swing your fist ends where another person’s nose begins. It’s fine to worry about your freedom not to take the vaccine but you have to take into account the effect that your actions (or inactions) will have on other people.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Jack D

    There's another old saying about a camel's nose and a tent... People already accepted lockdowns and masks as part of life and things that supposedly "liberal" Western governments can mandate at will.

    So they will readily accept forced vaccinations in order to be able to travel or go to a concert or work. And later they will accept a microchip inserted up their rectum.

    I'm too tired to argue... I guess Covid is like a Rorschach test, some like me see it as an obvious farce, others view it as a requiring lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccinations...

    From my point of view, refusing the vaccine has exactly zero effect on other people, as I think this "pandemic" is mostly a lie.

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @epebble
    @Jack D

    don’t really care whether you have covid or not

    They sure do, especially once vaccines are widely available and are generally known to prevent infection. You can ask any tort lawyer worth a nickel who has heard about liability.

  129. @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR

    The good Lord be with you Andrew.

    I could be easily be with you. AnotherChild#3's boyfriend has it now--feeling like crap and has lost all taste/smell --and she should have gotten it from him last weekend. She isolated from me for a few days, but seemed symptomless and we went to she and I both masking for Christmas and she tested negative yesterday. There's a decent chance she had it back in March and has antibodies.

    Too late to prevent, but keep on your C, D and especially your zinc and a zinc ionophore (i've been taking quercetin). Keep up your humidity (although the main benefit there is prevention). And your fluids. And just power on through. The folks near my age have been between "normal cold" and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.

    Wish you well.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob

    The folks near my age have been between “normal cold” and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.

    As another data point, my mother-in-law’s caretaker, age 70, spent a week in the hospital just before Thanksgiving. She’s home now and is still on oxygen, over a month later, although she reports that she only needs it now on occasion and not all the time. But she’s far from being able to go back to work. I don’t know if she ever will or maybe it will take her 6 months before she has regained her stamina. So yes this disease, even if it doesn’t kill you (and the death rates for those 0ver 65 are nothing to be sneezed at) can really kick your ass, especially if you are older.

    Anecdotal evidence is not that helpful though because the disease seems to have a real spectrum of effects, ranging from nothing to moderate cold (say 80%), a serious illness requiring hospitalization and/or several weeks of lost work (maybe 20%) and even death (up 1.5%), and these range by age (the older, the worser). So unless you know hundreds of people who have had it, your personal knowledge may not be representative.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  130. @That Would Be Telling
    @gary


    This is real news? Thought Israelis were getting safer non-mRNA vaccine from the Russians.
     
    That can't be known yet based on the late start of Sputnik's V Phase III trial, they did their big announcement and boasting a month before starting that minor detail. Moderna effectively started their's 3 months before (the FDA forced a month's delay, officially because they weren't recruiting enough diversity), Pfizer/BioNTech's blended Phase 1/2/3 trial finished ten days before Moderna's. In both cases, the gating factor was two months of safety data from half their participants who'd gotten the vaccine.

    Can’t believe the Chosen People are jabbing themselves with mRNA vaccines that turn you into a GMO human
     
    You shouldn't believe it, because that's a lie.

    and cause cytokine reactions.
     
    You're mixing up buzzwords, it's anaphylaxis reactions, and so far with one exception below only reported with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. And a substantial fraction of the US cases I know about are people who were already susceptible to anaphylaxis, who after the first two NHS cases shouldn't have taken this vaccine later in the US.

    Hmmm, I see one person so far has had an anaphylaxis reaction to the Moderna vaccine, has a severe shellfish allergy and used an epipen he carried for that to address it, then went to the hospital's emergency department and was treated and released. Note there's guaranteed to be some of this with any vaccine or drug or food as far as I know, the question is at what rate.

    Replies: @Rob

    TWBT,

    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine? Other components of protein therapeutics are limited to parts per million, if I recall correctly. I would have assumed that nucleic acid products would be similarly pure. Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Rob


    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine?
     
    I've read ... guesses or claims there are or might be some proteins in the lipids to help the micelles deliver their payloads, which as far as I know are pure mRNA.

    [...] Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?
     
    Now that's a good question, I've been slotting them into biologics because of how they function, but....

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?
     
    Is probably the latter or as we both wonder, a contaminant, which I note might not be evenly distributed among all lots. The #1 guess seems to be polyethylene glycol (PEG), both company's have 2,000 unit long chains of it in their lipid packages; on the other hand, I've read PEG is widely used in pharmaceuticals, Wikipedia mentioning attaching it to proteins to slow their clearance from the body as well as more mundane uses.

    You can find out some of their ingredients in the FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) fact sheets for recipients on its EUA page.

    Replies: @Rob

  131. @Jack D
    @Anon7

    Palestine has a government with a President - he's even named in the Arab News story. The Palestinian government is supposed to be in charge of basic municipal functions such as health care in Palestinian controlled areas. They begged and fought for autonomy and they got it. No Israelis at all go into Gaza. So now that they have autonomy they whine that the Israelis aren't taking care of them. They sound like teenagers. Maybe their rich Arab friends can pitch in and donate the funds to buy the vaccine for them and Iran can buy it for their Hamas buddies. Although the Pali leaders will probably just steal the $ - that's how it usually works. Arafat supposedly was worth a billion $, all stolen.

    In Israel proper, all Israeli citizens, including its millions of Arab citizens, will get the vaccine from their government.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    No Israelis at all go into Gaza.

    Non-Arab Israeli civilians who enter Gaza or the West Bank tend to end up hostages, if they’re lucky, or in the morgue. Whereas Palestinian Arab civilians who enter Israel to work, legally or otherwise, aren’t generally harmed, and certainly neither systematically taken hostage nor killed.

  132. @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR

    The good Lord be with you Andrew.

    I could be easily be with you. AnotherChild#3's boyfriend has it now--feeling like crap and has lost all taste/smell --and she should have gotten it from him last weekend. She isolated from me for a few days, but seemed symptomless and we went to she and I both masking for Christmas and she tested negative yesterday. There's a decent chance she had it back in March and has antibodies.

    Too late to prevent, but keep on your C, D and especially your zinc and a zinc ionophore (i've been taking quercetin). Keep up your humidity (although the main benefit there is prevention). And your fluids. And just power on through. The folks near my age have been between "normal cold" and getting their ass kicked with really bad flu for a few weeks. But in my immediate circle no one <65 has even gone to the hospital.

    Wish you well.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob

    Would you ask your daughter’s bf if he lost his sense of ‘taste’, or if he lost his actual sense of taste: sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami? As we all know, most ‘tastes’ are actually smells. The are just perceived differently. Very hard to believe, but scientists swear up and down that it’s true. On the other hand, they used to tell us that different tastes were perceived on different areas of the tongue, sweet in front, etc. Nope, all sorts of taste buds are everywhere on the tongue.

    I once worked with a Cuban guy who wore so much cologne that I could taste it whenever I talked to him face to face. Ever since I have wondered if the cologned air ended up in my mouth, so I tasted it, or whether any sufficiently strong odor is perceived as taste.

    I’m very interested in whether corona-Chan kills taste bud tastes.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Rob

    Those situations are when it's very handy to have an HR department, at least if you don't think he'd respond well to you politely asking him not to bathe in cologne at work. Was he trying to get laid at work? Bizarre behavior.

  133. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You’re leaving out what they steal.

    I'm leaving out whatever you've dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, 'tis true.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I’m leaving out whatever you’ve dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, ’tis true.’

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/binary-options/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Strange as it may seem to you, there is white collar crime wherever there are white collar employees. This isn't that difficult.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  134. @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas ),
     
    The airlines just want your money and don't really care whether you have covid or not. If there are travel restrictions they will be imposed by places (e.g. Australia) that have almost conquered covid and don't want people bring in fresh infections to restart it. Up until now, Australia has required that everyone coming in spend two weeks in a quarantine hotel (at first the government was paying, now you have to pay, a lot) to make sure they weren't bring infection in.

    There is talk that if you can prove that you have had the vaccine then they won't require you to stay in quarantine. So the vaccine is really a benefit, saving people who wish/need to travel to Australia two weeks and thousand of $. But if you don't want to take it and would rather spend two weeks locked up, you could do that too - vaccination is probably going to be an alternative to quarantine, not a replacement for it, at least at first.

    But the main thing is that Australia is a sovereign state and they can impose whatever conditions they want for people to come into their country. It's not unusual for countries to require certain vaccinations as a condition of granting a visa. And there are a lot of countries that choose to balance public health vs. individual freedom differently than we do in the US so it would not surprise me if some places do eventually make the vaccine mandatory for their citizens just as some states in the US require (with various loopholes) children to have certain vaccinations in order to attend school. There's an old saying that your freedom to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins. It's fine to worry about your freedom not to take the vaccine but you have to take into account the effect that your actions (or inactions) will have on other people.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @epebble

    There’s another old saying about a camel’s nose and a tent… People already accepted lockdowns and masks as part of life and things that supposedly “liberal” Western governments can mandate at will.

    So they will readily accept forced vaccinations in order to be able to travel or go to a concert or work. And later they will accept a microchip inserted up their rectum.

    I’m too tired to argue… I guess Covid is like a Rorschach test, some like me see it as an obvious farce, others view it as a requiring lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccinations…

    From my point of view, refusing the vaccine has exactly zero effect on other people, as I think this “pandemic” is mostly a lie.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Dumbo

    (reply to qualify my "Agree" on this post)

    "Agree" that it's a Rorschach test of sorts and that the ratio of "trampling of liberties" to "benefit in prevent harm from covid" of the US response (esp. CA and fellow travelers) is way too high for my taste.

    Disagree that the pandemic is "mostly a lie".

  135. @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    However, I do get annoyed at the idea floating around that people will be denied access to travel (i.e. Quantas ),
     
    The airlines just want your money and don't really care whether you have covid or not. If there are travel restrictions they will be imposed by places (e.g. Australia) that have almost conquered covid and don't want people bring in fresh infections to restart it. Up until now, Australia has required that everyone coming in spend two weeks in a quarantine hotel (at first the government was paying, now you have to pay, a lot) to make sure they weren't bring infection in.

    There is talk that if you can prove that you have had the vaccine then they won't require you to stay in quarantine. So the vaccine is really a benefit, saving people who wish/need to travel to Australia two weeks and thousand of $. But if you don't want to take it and would rather spend two weeks locked up, you could do that too - vaccination is probably going to be an alternative to quarantine, not a replacement for it, at least at first.

    But the main thing is that Australia is a sovereign state and they can impose whatever conditions they want for people to come into their country. It's not unusual for countries to require certain vaccinations as a condition of granting a visa. And there are a lot of countries that choose to balance public health vs. individual freedom differently than we do in the US so it would not surprise me if some places do eventually make the vaccine mandatory for their citizens just as some states in the US require (with various loopholes) children to have certain vaccinations in order to attend school. There's an old saying that your freedom to swing your fist ends where another person's nose begins. It's fine to worry about your freedom not to take the vaccine but you have to take into account the effect that your actions (or inactions) will have on other people.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @epebble

    don’t really care whether you have covid or not

    They sure do, especially once vaccines are widely available and are generally known to prevent infection. You can ask any tort lawyer worth a nickel who has heard about liability.

  136. @AndrewR
    @Thoughts

    We live in a post-truth age where there are many easy-to-digest narratives around for various groups to pick and choose from. Government officials openly lie to us and put anti-white ideology over science. It's hard to know what to believe.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Government officials openly lie to us and put anti-white ideology over science. It’s hard to know what to believe.”

    They don’t lie as much as you think they do, and they certainly do not hold an “anti-white ideology”.
    It’s just easier to think that way.

    “It’s hard to know what to believe”.

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  137. @DextersLabRat
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The longer it's around in more diverse populations the higher the risk of mutation, so basically yes. If it cannot be controlled in large swaths of Africa, Asia etc. we may see their travel massively restricted to the West.

    Replies: @epebble

    Large swaths of Africa and Asia are relatively unaffected (compared to West); so they may already have some immunity due to other reasons. Also, sufficiently large fraction of Westerners would remain unvaccinated for a number of reasons that virus will have no problem continuing mutations.
    End result will be similar to what we have now with influenza and common cold. Fewer people will die and we will learn to live with it. It already kills only 2% of the infected (400,000 out of 20+ millions ).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Asia might have some immunity. In tropical and southern Africa, if I'm not mistaken, about 5% of the population is over 60 and most people don't spend much time indoors in climate-controlled air.

    , @J.Ross
    @epebble

    Do those large swathes of the third world correspond to places from which no meaningful numbers can be obtained?

  138. @JSM
    @Art Deco

    I'm so sick of this weasel argument. If the dollars Israel gets are so insignificant, how about give 'em back? Yeah, THAT's gonna happen, sure.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You’re sick of it because it refutes the point you’re trying to make.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Art Deco

    except it doesn't. our whole foreign policy is based around jewish interests. the in kind benefit of that is gogorillion dollars.

    and the nonsense about israel having to buy from the US is complete horseshit. If giving people money to buy our stuff is good for the US, why don't we expand that policy to every country on earth? "hey mexico, here's a trillion to buy us made cars, big nose tribe explained this benefits the US so it must be true"

  139. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon7

    Well, although some Israeli Jewish do-gooders protest, I don't see an issue here. Citizens of Israel will be inoculated. Arabs make up 20% of Israeli citizens; Israeli Jewish settlers in West Bank are also Israeli citizens. They will be vaccinated equally.

    Arabs in Gaza & West Bank are not Israeli citizens. They have their own separate health system, school system etc. Putting aside the fact that Arabs in those lands are in the state of permanent warfare with Israel (and all Jews), Israel has no legal obligation to get vaccine & inoculate them. One should not confuse Israeli Arabs (20% of Israel's population) with Palestinians in those two territories.

    My opinion: if they tried, they would be accused again of interfering with Palestinian suzerainty & people, or trying to diminish the Palestinian authority or Hamas controlled Gaza. Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don't, you're guilty.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re guilty.

    Their brigands have a financial pipeline from abroad that the Black Panther Party lacked. If they were more intelligent and organized than American blacks, they’d produce more goods and services that do American blacks, which they do not. .

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Art Deco

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    I am absolutely against their form of culture & world-view, but, given the resources- they are a respectable enemy.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @jimmy1969
    @Art Deco

    Complete and total nonsense

    Replies: @Art Deco

  140. @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'I’m leaving out whatever you’ve dreamed up and whatever you cribbed off of Stormfront, ’tis true.'

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/binary-options/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Strange as it may seem to you, there is white collar crime wherever there are white collar employees. This isn’t that difficult.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'Strange as it may seem to you, there is white collar crime wherever there are white collar employees. This isn’t that difficult.'

    Name another nation of eight million just one of whose fiddles was divesting foreigners of ten billion dollars a year.

    ...Israel even made it illegal to sell binary options to other Israelis. They knew exactly what they were up to.

  141. @J.Ross
    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

    “I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.

    “For 17 years, the CDC document that guides us as physicians to do death certificates has stood, but this year, we were told, through the Department of Health and the CDC, that the rules were changing if COVID-19 was involved.”

    “If it’s COVID-19, we’re told now it doesn’t matter if it was actually the diagnosis that caused death. If someone had it, they died of it,” he said.
     
    Changed the criteria for determining death, changed the definition of herd immunity, changed the rules for voting, changed the measurement of crime (it is now down even if murder and carjackings are up), changed the color of daylight so that now it looks like we are all drowning in blood because we are trapped inside the stomach of our overgrown over-aged and definitely dying ruling caste.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @Inquiring Mind

    That’s an interesting article. I assumed (and continue to) that there’s a lot of cases where there’s gray area. e.g. that someone with heart or lung problems was pushed over the edge by Covid. That one is going to be inherently a judgement call of how much Covid contributed to the death etc. (and really we should develop more robust statistical models to be able to attribute death probabilistically anyway, covid or not. i.e. person X died of 30% heart-disease; 30% old age; 40% flu)

    However, some of the examples in there are clearly the “bad” kind of coding:
    car crash, drowning and alcohol poisoning? No. That said, even a 2x difference in deaths due to Covid doesn’t fundamentally change our understanding of the disease.

    It makes the lockdown response even more indefensible, but it’s not like even the government figures of death excuse the level of infringement of, you know, free assembly and such. Yes, the courts say such temporary infringement is allowed in times of emergency, but their level of deference to the Executive branches is surprisingly high compared to their rulings against Trump on, DACA, temp terrorist country travel ban, etc. etc.
    However, as i’ve mentioned before, various autocratic and semi-autocratic regimes operate under rather spurious “emergency laws” and “wartime powers” for decades. (e.g. Egypt)

    Most of the writing on this stuff wrt Covid was from March and April. Then seems to have became ignored as people become inured to it. Which is one of the big dangers.

    https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/states-of-emergencies-part-i/
    https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/states-of-emergencies-part-ii/

  142. @Dumbo
    @Jack D

    There's another old saying about a camel's nose and a tent... People already accepted lockdowns and masks as part of life and things that supposedly "liberal" Western governments can mandate at will.

    So they will readily accept forced vaccinations in order to be able to travel or go to a concert or work. And later they will accept a microchip inserted up their rectum.

    I'm too tired to argue... I guess Covid is like a Rorschach test, some like me see it as an obvious farce, others view it as a requiring lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccinations...

    From my point of view, refusing the vaccine has exactly zero effect on other people, as I think this "pandemic" is mostly a lie.

    Replies: @vhrm

    (reply to qualify my “Agree” on this post)

    “Agree” that it’s a Rorschach test of sorts and that the ratio of “trampling of liberties” to “benefit in prevent harm from covid” of the US response (esp. CA and fellow travelers) is way too high for my taste.

    Disagree that the pandemic is “mostly a lie”.

  143. @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re guilty.

    Their brigands have a financial pipeline from abroad that the Black Panther Party lacked. If they were more intelligent and organized than American blacks, they'd produce more goods and services that do American blacks, which they do not. .

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @jimmy1969

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    I am absolutely against their form of culture & world-view, but, given the resources- they are a respectable enemy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    Mobbing the border, kidnapping, and artillery barrages against Jewish towns. You can see what they've achieved with all this sophistication.

    The gross national income of the West Bank and Gaza taken together is about $19 bn, or $4,000 per person per year. In the past, I've seen estimates that one-half of the income flow in Gaza is attributable to UNRWA doles and the place has only a spot labor market.

    And then there's this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  144. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Strange as it may seem to you, there is white collar crime wherever there are white collar employees. This isn't that difficult.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Strange as it may seem to you, there is white collar crime wherever there are white collar employees. This isn’t that difficult.’

    Name another nation of eight million just one of whose fiddles was divesting foreigners of ten billion dollars a year.

    …Israel even made it illegal to sell binary options to other Israelis. They knew exactly what they were up to.

  145. Israel via their Mossad received ventilation and other equipment faster than almost any Country in the world. You have to admire that one. BUT…I have tried many times to rabble rouse people on websites on this issue: how many hundreds of millions or billions were donated to Israel by American Jews during this Covid Crisis? Of course you cannot get an answer to that. How many billions went to Israel for Covid relief stuff by American Jews before they gave a nickle to places in New York and other large American high population Jewish Cities…wouldn’t it be amazing if we could publish the tax records of the tax write offs of those rich guys. Why doesn’t one of ten thousand Jewish Professors or Journalists do a study on that one.

  146. @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Palestinians are a more intelligent, organized & dangerous American blacks. Whatever you do or don’t, you’re guilty.

    Their brigands have a financial pipeline from abroad that the Black Panther Party lacked. If they were more intelligent and organized than American blacks, they'd produce more goods and services that do American blacks, which they do not. .

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @jimmy1969

    Complete and total nonsense

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @jimmy1969

    What's 'nonsense'? Is it your contention that the Black Panther Party was getting an ample financial pipeline from foreign governments and international agencies or is it your contention that Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza are successfully concealing from statisticians 90% of the value of the goods and services they produce?

  147. @epebble
    @DextersLabRat

    Large swaths of Africa and Asia are relatively unaffected (compared to West); so they may already have some immunity due to other reasons. Also, sufficiently large fraction of Westerners would remain unvaccinated for a number of reasons that virus will have no problem continuing mutations.
    End result will be similar to what we have now with influenza and common cold. Fewer people will die and we will learn to live with it. It already kills only 2% of the infected (400,000 out of 20+ millions ).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    Asia might have some immunity. In tropical and southern Africa, if I’m not mistaken, about 5% of the population is over 60 and most people don’t spend much time indoors in climate-controlled air.

  148. @AndrewR
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Doubtful. It's overstated but not exactly a hoax. I have COVID now so hopefully I'll make it out on the other side. I'm young and healthy but feel like shit now

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Bardon Kaldian, @Gary in Gramercy, @Getaclue, @AnotherDad, @GeneralRipper

    Yeah, I had the flu a few years back myself. It does make you feel like shit.

    Stop being a drama queen.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @GeneralRipper

    Who hurt you?

  149. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Art Deco

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    I am absolutely against their form of culture & world-view, but, given the resources- they are a respectable enemy.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    Mobbing the border, kidnapping, and artillery barrages against Jewish towns. You can see what they’ve achieved with all this sophistication.

    The gross national income of the West Bank and Gaza taken together is about $19 bn, or $4,000 per person per year. In the past, I’ve seen estimates that one-half of the income flow in Gaza is attributable to UNRWA doles and the place has only a spot labor market.

    And then there’s this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Art Deco

    Unconsciously, you have just confirmed what I wrote. And they even succeeded to present themselves to the world as victims, during recent, 2018-2019 Gaza border protests.

    BLM could never accomplish anything similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

    Replies: @Art Deco

  150. @jimmy1969
    @Art Deco

    Complete and total nonsense

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What’s ‘nonsense’? Is it your contention that the Black Panther Party was getting an ample financial pipeline from foreign governments and international agencies or is it your contention that Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza are successfully concealing from statisticians 90% of the value of the goods and services they produce?

  151. @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Palestinians from Gaza have been waging a war against Israel for decades, at the level of technology, planning & sophistication BLM could never even dream of.

    Mobbing the border, kidnapping, and artillery barrages against Jewish towns. You can see what they've achieved with all this sophistication.

    The gross national income of the West Bank and Gaza taken together is about $19 bn, or $4,000 per person per year. In the past, I've seen estimates that one-half of the income flow in Gaza is attributable to UNRWA doles and the place has only a spot labor market.

    And then there's this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Unconsciously, you have just confirmed what I wrote. And they even succeeded to present themselves to the world as victims, during recent, 2018-2019 Gaza border protests.

    BLM could never accomplish anything similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Unconsciously, you have just confirmed what I wrote.

    The term 'confirmed' does not mean what you fancy it means. Over a period of 73 years, the Arab publics on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in the UNRWA camps have built an economy whose gross national income per capita derived from domestic production might be rank 27th among the 32 territories in the Near East, North Africa, and Central Asia. Their political achievement consists of establishing a crooked machine to rule over a daisy-chain of local governments.

  152. @Jiminy
    Looks like one place in the world they won’t need the vaccine is Antartica. Strange, but I haven’t heard of any cases presenting there. Cold, wet and windy weather. Limited sunlight. And a virus that looks like it’s been around for at least a year.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Looks like one place in the world they won’t need the vaccine is Antartica. Strange, but I haven’t heard of any cases presenting there.

    COVID-19 arrived in Antarctica from a ship making a run to one of Chile’s bases about a week ago, Wikipedia had a small article waiting for the event….

  153. @Rob
    @That Would Be Telling

    TWBT,

    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine? Other components of protein therapeutics are limited to parts per million, if I recall correctly. I would have assumed that nucleic acid products would be similarly pure. Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine?

    I’ve read … guesses or claims there are or might be some proteins in the lipids to help the micelles deliver their payloads, which as far as I know are pure mRNA.

    […] Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?

    Now that’s a good question, I’ve been slotting them into biologics because of how they function, but….

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?

    Is probably the latter or as we both wonder, a contaminant, which I note might not be evenly distributed among all lots. The #1 guess seems to be polyethylene glycol (PEG), both company’s have 2,000 unit long chains of it in their lipid packages; on the other hand, I’ve read PEG is widely used in pharmaceuticals, Wikipedia mentioning attaching it to proteins to slow their clearance from the body as well as more mundane uses.

    You can find out some of their ingredients in the FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) fact sheets for recipients on its EUA page.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @That Would Be Telling

    There’s an aptamer drug, I think it’s called macugen, that is a PEGylated RNA. As a general rule, only proteins are allergenic. Lipids, nucleic acids, and PEG should all be safe. Even non-protein allergens like alpha-gal have to be conjugated to a protein to induce immunity or to cause a reaction. I take that back. CD1 can present lipids to T cells. Maybe a non-natural lipid that you happen to have an IgE for, because they aren’t naturally occurring in you, the B cells that just happen to bind them don’t get eliminated, one of them becomes an IgE producer for some other allergen (just happens to cross react) and athose B cells get T cell help through CD1? Maybe?

    Maybe people with lethal-level food allergies are particularly likely to develop allergic reactions to tiny levels of anything, and it’s a protein contaminant, but of course, not from shellfish, just dumb luck has a promiscuous epitope?

  154. @J.Ross
    Minnesota lawmakers, one of whom is a doctor: nearly half of Covid deaths may be something else.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

    “I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.

    “For 17 years, the CDC document that guides us as physicians to do death certificates has stood, but this year, we were told, through the Department of Health and the CDC, that the rules were changing if COVID-19 was involved.”

    “If it’s COVID-19, we’re told now it doesn’t matter if it was actually the diagnosis that caused death. If someone had it, they died of it,” he said.
     
    Changed the criteria for determining death, changed the definition of herd immunity, changed the rules for voting, changed the measurement of crime (it is now down even if murder and carjackings are up), changed the color of daylight so that now it looks like we are all drowning in blood because we are trapped inside the stomach of our overgrown over-aged and definitely dying ruling caste.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon, @vhrm, @Inquiring Mind

    Good luck getting such an audit from people who have fingers in their ears about any discussion of statistical anomalies in the 2020 election.

  155. @Getaclue
    @Lot

    So much lying as to CVirus -- the CDC has admitted that only 6% of the 330,000 actually died of the CVirus as opposed to dying "with" it in a car crash, suicide, cancer etc. -- so the true number is much closer to that number -- 19,800. The interstellar hysteria as hyped by the Globalist owned Mainslime Media was intended to do what it has done -- destroy economies to set up The Great Reset of the NWO Banksters -- with a plague of NWO "medical" experts/Faucis seeded in at every level (in Government etc. also) this was easy to accomplish and on cue they all went to work having "gamed" it previously with the Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation -- along with Neal Ferguson "Models" and propaganda that would embarrass Goebbels -- the fact people so glibly lie about all of this in superior tones is pathetic.: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/

    Replies: @HA

    “So much lying as to CVirus — the CDC has admitted that only 6% of the 330,000 actually died of the CVirus as opposed to dying “with” it in a car crash, suicide, cancer etc.”

    So if you admit that 330,000 actually died, it’s pretty weird that such an anomalous number should be dying right about now from all those car crashes and cancer diagnoses, not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of those deaths involved conditions such as respiratory failure, cytokine storms, etc. You really want to pretend those were all motorcycle accidents? That’s the hill you’re going to die on?

    And by the way, how many of those dying of AIDS actually died ‘of’ HIV as opposed to dying ‘with’ it? I suspect it’s a lot lower than 6%. That doesn’t mean AIDS is imaginary, or that we should be cavalier about letting HIV get into the blood supply.

    In other words, if the lies you’re peddling are supposed to be an improvement on what the CDC is feeding us, they need work

  156. @duncsbaby
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “The image of a white woman calling police on Black people put the lie to the myth of racial innocence” – thus sayeth Julie Carrie Wong

    One thing that never gets asked is, "Who called the cops on George Floyd?" He was passing phony notes at Cup (not Cub) Foods & supposedly it was a worker there who called the cops. My guess is it was a Somali, but I can guarantee you it was no white lady. She'd be Public Enemy #1 if it was.

    Replies: @Old Jew

    IIRC it was a teenager from Nigeria (legit in the USA) who was a temporary hire. he had been in the USA for only 2 month.

    The store, Cup Foods owner (Arab) said, they never call the cops on bad dollar bills (it is a frequent occurrence in the neighborhood) ,but put the culprit “on probation” for 2 years [do not sell to him, and there is nowhere else to go].

    Perhaps Mr. Floyd knew the store policy, but the young Nigerian boy did not know it

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  157. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Bigdicknick

    We goyim get paid back in full when the Rapture comes.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Um, about that…I have in front of me this Senior Secured Financing and Subordination Agreement, together with copies of UCC-1’s, filed in the Thessalonians County Clerk’s Office, evidencing “a perfected senior security interest in all assets, tangible and intangible, whether now existing or hereafter acquired,…”

    Executive summary: You get ten cents on the dollar, payable over five years, no interest. So nice doing religious ecstasy with you.

  158. @epebble
    @DextersLabRat

    Large swaths of Africa and Asia are relatively unaffected (compared to West); so they may already have some immunity due to other reasons. Also, sufficiently large fraction of Westerners would remain unvaccinated for a number of reasons that virus will have no problem continuing mutations.
    End result will be similar to what we have now with influenza and common cold. Fewer people will die and we will learn to live with it. It already kills only 2% of the infected (400,000 out of 20+ millions ).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    Do those large swathes of the third world correspond to places from which no meaningful numbers can be obtained?

  159. @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'Far from proving your point O Mighty One, this actually contradicts your point. If Arab citizens were not getting vaccine, there would be little reason to deny specifically security prisoners.'

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    I would indeed.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'I would indeed.'

    Here you go, then. Although Israel exercises sovereignty over the territories, only Jews get the vaccine in occupied Palestine -- not gentiles.

    '...Last month, Israel secured 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine — enough to cover nearly half of Israel’s population of 9 million, as each person requires two doses. Among those eligible to receive the vaccine from the Israeli government, are the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

    Those not eligible to receive the vaccine, however, are the more than 5 million Palestinians living under the control of the Israeli occupation in the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip...'

    Naturally, Jews living in these areas are eligible for the vaccine.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/12/the-covid-19-vaccine-another-ugly-face-of-apartheid/

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew

  160. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Dumbo

    "Please tell us, how much are you getting from Pfizer."

    I ignored the obvious shill 'Telling' faster than you can say Dr. Dan Hessin.

    Replies: @anon

    I ignored the obvious shill ‘Telling’ faster than you can say Dr. Dan Hessin.

    Lol. Reading comprehension…

  161. Since this is the most recent Covid thread…

    Tastes like Freedom!

    Spain is to set up a registry of people who refuse to be vaccinated against coronavirus and share it with other European Union nations, the health minister has said.

    Salvador Illa said the list would not be made accessible to the public or to employers.

    In an interview with La Sexta television on Monday, Mr Illa emphasised that vaccination would not be mandatory.

    “What will be done is a registry, which will be shared with our European partners… of those people who have been offered it and have simply rejected it,” he said.

    “It is not a document which will be made public and it will be done with the utmost respect for data protection.”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55471282

    Nothing can possibli go wrong.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  162. @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright

    Shall I update you as it emerges other populations are being denied the vaccine as well? Would you like that?

    I would indeed.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I would indeed.’

    Here you go, then. Although Israel exercises sovereignty over the territories, only Jews get the vaccine in occupied Palestine — not gentiles.

    ‘…Last month, Israel secured 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine — enough to cover nearly half of Israel’s population of 9 million, as each person requires two doses. Among those eligible to receive the vaccine from the Israeli government, are the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

    Those not eligible to receive the vaccine, however, are the more than 5 million Palestinians living under the control of the Israeli occupation in the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip…’

    Naturally, Jews living in these areas are eligible for the vaccine.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/12/the-covid-19-vaccine-another-ugly-face-of-apartheid/

    • Replies: @anon
    @Colin Wright

    But the famous historians (like our WW2 historians ) of the future will tell you :” Israel gave independence to Gaza, Israel withdrew. Gaza had its own election and democratically elected gov that continued yes to hold power for long period and continued to fight Israel despite Israel leaving Gaza peacefully “

    , @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    So, you want to go on the record recognizing Israeli sovereignty over Holy Balestine?

  163. @Jack D
    @Dumbo


    for a disease that only kills 0.04% of people infected
     
    Please show your math. Official sources say that the US has had around 20 million cases with 340,000 dead so a fatality rate of 1.7%. or 40x your number. If there are 340,000 dead and the death rate is only .04% that means that 850 million out of the 350 million people in US have had it. At .04% we would have hit herd immunity somewhere around 100,000 deaths but that doesn't seem to have happened at all. So I suspect that your .04% number is not just wrong but WAY wrong. Insanely wrong. Of course if you start with such flawed data you are going to reach incorrect conclusions.

    Replies: @res

    It helps if you both talk about the same thing. CFR and IFR are different.

  164. @glib
    @Nachum

    They were first in Fall 2020, specifically in September, which was the last september as of Dec. 2020.

    Replies: @Nachum

    OK, I’d say “this September,” as it’s still 2020, but OK. Israel was locked down in the spring as well.

  165. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

    Yes, years after years you are getting 1 % of your GDP . That means that Israel doesn’t have to spend that money from its pocket on military . That is one argument .
    Total cost for subsidizing Israel from 1979 goes into 1980s dollars runs into trillions .

    . Israel in addition gets extra grants loans and subsidies . These loans are not paid ,has not been paid but simply been rolled over .

    There is additional clause . Israel will be compensated for the interest that is due on the loan . Basically USA pays Israel to borrow and keep the money .

    ADL and AIPAC bragged about Israel not requiring any money anymore and that it can do without US aid.

    So what Schumer does when this idea gets some support for consideration in Congress by Rand Paul.? NYTimes reports that backdoor discussion has nipped it in the bud .

    What happens when JCOPA is announced ? Israel comes with begging g bowl and gets the latest technology and more grants .

    What happens when Obama asks for delaying the settlement ( mind that this is request not to engage into an illegal act for next few months ,not a demand to stop the illegal actions ) .Isreal gets 40 billions worth of aids in addition over next 10 years .

    Let me tell you whats going to happen next. Biden seeks to reenter JCOPA.Israel will throw tantrums, make some forays into Gaza ,kill few more in checkpoints and kill some scientist while the bribed nasty human like Schumer and Memenedez will tell that Israel need more money ( see how it works- its not Israel now but its bribed delegates in USA ) Congress will oblige with another 50 billions .
    Meanwhile Israel will work to torpedo it again despite getting money second times because it hopes to reenact the situation in 3-4 years by forcing the withdrawal from the treaty (negotiation ) and letting USA enter again in 4-5 years as long as USA forks out money to that little shitty country .

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anon

    Total cost for subsidizing Israel from 1979 goes into 1980s dollars runs into trillions .

    Only for people using an accounting method that doesn't belong in a poker game.

  166. @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'I would indeed.'

    Here you go, then. Although Israel exercises sovereignty over the territories, only Jews get the vaccine in occupied Palestine -- not gentiles.

    '...Last month, Israel secured 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine — enough to cover nearly half of Israel’s population of 9 million, as each person requires two doses. Among those eligible to receive the vaccine from the Israeli government, are the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

    Those not eligible to receive the vaccine, however, are the more than 5 million Palestinians living under the control of the Israeli occupation in the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip...'

    Naturally, Jews living in these areas are eligible for the vaccine.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/12/the-covid-19-vaccine-another-ugly-face-of-apartheid/

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew

    But the famous historians (like our WW2 historians ) of the future will tell you :” Israel gave independence to Gaza, Israel withdrew. Gaza had its own election and democratically elected gov that continued yes to hold power for long period and continued to fight Israel despite Israel leaving Gaza peacefully “

  167. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    Who cares when it’s the US tax payers’ money he’s buying it with, amirite?

    American aid to Israel is in the form of credits to buy military equipment. It accounts for just north of 1% of Israels gross domestic income.

    Replies: @Bigdicknick, @JSM, @Colin Wright, @anon, @anon

    Lets start

    1-
    December 9, 2002
    By David R. Francis Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today’s population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    . https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    2-
    The legislative solution introduced by representative Brad Schneider (D-IL) and supported by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is the “Guaranteeing Israel’s QME Act of 2020.” The bill proposes amending the Arms Export Control Act by requiring the president to consult with the Israeli government before proceeding with any such sales. The president would then have to submit a report card to Congress on the degree to which Israel’s “Qualitative Military Edge” might be impacted. The AECA was already amended in 2008 and 2012 to require certifications that any sales would not “adversely affect” Israel’s military edge. https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2020/11/09/the-israel-lobbys-qme-scam/

    3

    Analytical output from pro-Israel think tanks such as the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) outline even additional solutions beyond the Schneider bill – by showering more “free” US weapons on Israel and more US taxpayer money for Israel to purchase Israeli weapons systems https://schneider.house.gov/sites/schneider.house.gov/files/QME%20Bill.pdf

    4 This is the worst betrayal of what known as sovereignty and diplomacy.

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/525302-senate-wants-security-guarantees-for-israel-before-us-sale-of-f-35s-to-uae Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the outgoing chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, introduced legislation last month that would restrict the sale of advanced weapons systems to countries in the Middle East other than Israel unless they meet certain benchmarks, such as normalized relations with Israel; that weapons are modified to be identified and tracked by Israel;”

  168. @GeneralRipper
    @AndrewR

    Yeah, I had the flu a few years back myself. It does make you feel like shit.

    Stop being a drama queen.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Who hurt you?

  169. @IHTG
    Netanyahu allegedly agreed to pay much more per-vaccine than other countries.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @International Jew, @Occasional lurker

    He ordered early and didn’t waste time bargaining like th EU did. Israel pays 30 Euro, what the EU saves by paying only 18, Eu countries lose for medical cost of intensive care Corona victims.
    Germany donated half a billion to help with manufacturing of te Biontech/Pfizer vacccine, but they didn’t call up all of the doses they had rights to and also waited till the EU was ready to buy to avoid “nationalist” “Alleingänge”, and the EU waited till all the others buyers had spoken.
    Now we can’t even activate all of the vaccication centers that were set up in great haste because we have too little vaccine to go around, less that tiny Israel.

  170. @Colin Wright
    'Israel is signed up for 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 6 million of Moderna, enough for 7 million people.'

    I wonder if that's calculated to be enough for half the people under Israeli rule, or enough for all the Jews?

    ...sounds more like inoculate all the Jews and let the gentiles die, but I won't jump to conclusions. It'll actually be mildly interesting if Israel starts simultaneously getting flak from overseas for giving priority to Jews and flak from the folks at home for giving any vaccine at all to gentiles while there are still Jews who haven't been innoculated.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Nachum, @Occasional lurker

    It’s calculated to be enough to vaccinate every citizens who wants it. There might be some left over even.
    The Palestinian territories are left to their own or the UN’S devices. As they have one of the youngest populations on earth, they don’t need it quite as badly as others.

  171. @Getaclue
    @AndrewR

    I had Bird Flu or whatever the ChiComs let out in 2007 -- had it for like 3 months could not get rid of it - - it was terrible, many thousands died I do believe -- no one cared. It was not politicized/weaponized as part of a Globalist NWO Great Reset and Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation hadn't "gamed" and "planned" it yet as to how to weaponize it nor set up Faucis and Neal Fergusons to do their bit at various levels where they have seeded in thousands of these NWO "Expert" lackeys to bring in Medical Martial Law on us....Sucks to be sick but to allow a group of super rich networked psychopaths to destroy the world and enslave us over it? Get well soon....

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Thoughts, @Occasional lurker

    It probably was swine flu in 2009, and that was from the American cointinent like the 1918 flu that it somewhat resembled.
    The globalists are neoliberals who did not want to restrict travel or impose quarantines either now or then because freedom and growth, you know, so in 2009 under Tom Frieden the US CDC and Obama admin decided against quarantining people returning from Mexico where it had first broken out and let swine flu lose on the world after Mexico had tried to contain it (they used masks, too). Swine flu spared the elderly risks group because they had some immunity from strains that had circulated in their youth, that’s why the mortality numbers und the intensive care numbers didn’t rise as high. They planned to do nothing about Covid, too, but were forced by Bergamo that showed how an unmitigated outbreak would look like in a country with lots of elderly.
    This was not planned, although special interest groups are clearly using it to their advantage.

  172. @Rob
    @AnotherDad

    Would you ask your daughter’s bf if he lost his sense of ‘taste’, or if he lost his actual sense of taste: sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami? As we all know, most ‘tastes’ are actually smells. The are just perceived differently. Very hard to believe, but scientists swear up and down that it’s true. On the other hand, they used to tell us that different tastes were perceived on different areas of the tongue, sweet in front, etc. Nope, all sorts of taste buds are everywhere on the tongue.

    I once worked with a Cuban guy who wore so much cologne that I could taste it whenever I talked to him face to face. Ever since I have wondered if the cologned air ended up in my mouth, so I tasted it, or whether any sufficiently strong odor is perceived as taste.

    I’m very interested in whether corona-Chan kills taste bud tastes.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Those situations are when it’s very handy to have an HR department, at least if you don’t think he’d respond well to you politely asking him not to bathe in cologne at work. Was he trying to get laid at work? Bizarre behavior.

  173. @That Would Be Telling
    @Rob


    I am kind of surprised that either mRNA vaccine caused anaphylaxis. How much protein is there in either vaccine?
     
    I've read ... guesses or claims there are or might be some proteins in the lipids to help the micelles deliver their payloads, which as far as I know are pure mRNA.

    [...] Come to think of it, the mRNA vaccines may not even be biologics. Are they made by in vitro transcription?
     
    Now that's a good question, I've been slotting them into biologics because of how they function, but....

    Finally, would people who went into anaphylaxis have had the same reaction to the virus, or are they reacting to a contaminant or the cat ionic lipid coat, or what?
     
    Is probably the latter or as we both wonder, a contaminant, which I note might not be evenly distributed among all lots. The #1 guess seems to be polyethylene glycol (PEG), both company's have 2,000 unit long chains of it in their lipid packages; on the other hand, I've read PEG is widely used in pharmaceuticals, Wikipedia mentioning attaching it to proteins to slow their clearance from the body as well as more mundane uses.

    You can find out some of their ingredients in the FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) fact sheets for recipients on its EUA page.

    Replies: @Rob

    There’s an aptamer drug, I think it’s called macugen, that is a PEGylated RNA. As a general rule, only proteins are allergenic. Lipids, nucleic acids, and PEG should all be safe. Even non-protein allergens like alpha-gal have to be conjugated to a protein to induce immunity or to cause a reaction. I take that back. CD1 can present lipids to T cells. Maybe a non-natural lipid that you happen to have an IgE for, because they aren’t naturally occurring in you, the B cells that just happen to bind them don’t get eliminated, one of them becomes an IgE producer for some other allergen (just happens to cross react) and athose B cells get T cell help through CD1? Maybe?

    Maybe people with lethal-level food allergies are particularly likely to develop allergic reactions to tiny levels of anything, and it’s a protein contaminant, but of course, not from shellfish, just dumb luck has a promiscuous epitope?

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  174. @Anon
    Meanwhile...
    https://twitter.com/JoshLekach/status/1343257477127708675?s=20

    Replies: @Rob

    Is that Alden? Jesse? Whoever that is, she would be right at home on Unz.

  175. Why does Israel already have the necessary number of doses to vaccinate its entire population? Didn’t the Israeli medical ethicist, Zeke Emanuel, tell us that we needed to share our doses with the Third World first?

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @Wilkey

    Why does Israel already have the necessary number of doses to vaccinate its entire population? Didn’t the Israeli medical ethicist, Zeke Emanuel, tell us that we needed to share our doses with the Third World first?

    Perhaps the notorious traitor Jon Pollard carried a bunch of doses over when he was repatriated to Israel: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonathan-pollard-released-free-landed-israel-spy-with-wife/

    Private flight paid for by ol' Sheldon Adelson, Pollard kissed the ground upon arrival in Israel, and he was greeted in person by Netanyahu. Bad optics for anyone paying attention.

    Pollard should have suffered a lot more, IMHO.

  176. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Art Deco

    Unconsciously, you have just confirmed what I wrote. And they even succeeded to present themselves to the world as victims, during recent, 2018-2019 Gaza border protests.

    BLM could never accomplish anything similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Unconsciously, you have just confirmed what I wrote.

    The term ‘confirmed’ does not mean what you fancy it means. Over a period of 73 years, the Arab publics on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in the UNRWA camps have built an economy whose gross national income per capita derived from domestic production might be rank 27th among the 32 territories in the Near East, North Africa, and Central Asia. Their political achievement consists of establishing a crooked machine to rule over a daisy-chain of local governments.

  177. @anon
    @Art Deco

    Yes, years after years you are getting 1 % of your GDP . That means that Israel doesn’t have to spend that money from its pocket on military . That is one argument .
    Total cost for subsidizing Israel from 1979 goes into 1980s dollars runs into trillions .

    . Israel in addition gets extra grants loans and subsidies . These loans are not paid ,has not been paid but simply been rolled over .


    There is additional clause . Israel will be compensated for the interest that is due on the loan . Basically USA pays Israel to borrow and keep the money .

    ADL and AIPAC bragged about Israel not requiring any money anymore and that it can do without US aid.

    So what Schumer does when this idea gets some support for consideration in Congress by Rand Paul.? NYTimes reports that backdoor discussion has nipped it in the bud .

    What happens when JCOPA is announced ? Israel comes with begging g bowl and gets the latest technology and more grants .

    What happens when Obama asks for delaying the settlement ( mind that this is request not to engage into an illegal act for next few months ,not a demand to stop the illegal actions ) .Isreal gets 40 billions worth of aids in addition over next 10 years .


    Let me tell you whats going to happen next. Biden seeks to reenter JCOPA.Israel will throw tantrums, make some forays into Gaza ,kill few more in checkpoints and kill some scientist while the bribed nasty human like Schumer and Memenedez will tell that Israel need more money ( see how it works- its not Israel now but its bribed delegates in USA ) Congress will oblige with another 50 billions .
    Meanwhile Israel will work to torpedo it again despite getting money second times because it hopes to reenact the situation in 3-4 years by forcing the withdrawal from the treaty (negotiation ) and letting USA enter again in 4-5 years as long as USA forks out money to that little shitty country .

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Total cost for subsidizing Israel from 1979 goes into 1980s dollars runs into trillions .

    Only for people using an accounting method that doesn’t belong in a poker game.

  178. I have been following the story about coronavirus in Israel over the year.

    Despite some early smart policies (like using the army to close the Haredi Jews’ infected cities), Israel was in the end an incompetent disaster in terms of containing the pandemic’s spread in the population, and Israel now has thousands of people killed by the virus.

    On the other hand, in Israel there is demonstration of high state capacity in this fast rollout of a refrigerated Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

    Approval of Israel’s own domestically produced vaccine was slowed over the summer through over heavy regulation ( https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israel-covid19-vaccine-head-we-lack-support-1001351425 ), but the government reportedly negotiated rapidly to purchase millions of doses from different international manufacturers.

    In the case of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, Israel was one of the first to buy it, and is paying almost double price per dose ($30 for a dose). This showed that the authorities were planning effectively, and understood that the importance of speed.

    Public healthcare in Israel is probably almost reaching the level of developed countries, and the ability to fast rollout vaccine which requires cold-storage seems to be an example.

    At the same time, the atmosphere in the vaccination rollout in Israel, can appear like an extroverted third world banana republic country. Video of the vaccine rollout me think of the characteristic ambiguity in Israel – tropical atmosphere of third world brown country, yet apparently competent strategy of fast vaccination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_qIIlOu1RQ.

  179. @Wilkey
    Why does Israel already have the necessary number of doses to vaccinate its entire population? Didn't the Israeli medical ethicist, Zeke Emanuel, tell us that we needed to share our doses with the Third World first?

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    Why does Israel already have the necessary number of doses to vaccinate its entire population? Didn’t the Israeli medical ethicist, Zeke Emanuel, tell us that we needed to share our doses with the Third World first?

    Perhaps the notorious traitor Jon Pollard carried a bunch of doses over when he was repatriated to Israel: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonathan-pollard-released-free-landed-israel-spy-with-wife/

    Private flight paid for by ol’ Sheldon Adelson, Pollard kissed the ground upon arrival in Israel, and he was greeted in person by Netanyahu. Bad optics for anyone paying attention.

    Pollard should have suffered a lot more, IMHO.

  180. @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    'I would indeed.'

    Here you go, then. Although Israel exercises sovereignty over the territories, only Jews get the vaccine in occupied Palestine -- not gentiles.

    '...Last month, Israel secured 8 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine — enough to cover nearly half of Israel’s population of 9 million, as each person requires two doses. Among those eligible to receive the vaccine from the Israeli government, are the nearly 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

    Those not eligible to receive the vaccine, however, are the more than 5 million Palestinians living under the control of the Israeli occupation in the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip...'

    Naturally, Jews living in these areas are eligible for the vaccine.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/12/the-covid-19-vaccine-another-ugly-face-of-apartheid/

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew

    So, you want to go on the record recognizing Israeli sovereignty over Holy Balestine?

  181. Hmm, this is the only thing making me think the vaccines are useful for those under 65. So far our betters harp on masks, no travel, no restaurants, etc. but never bothered to follow it themselves. Like them or hate them, the Israelis are deadly serious when it comes to survival. Maybe it’s just panic, but it is a “walk the walk” moment to consider.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anon87


    So far our betters harp on masks, no travel, no restaurants, etc. but never bothered to follow it themselves.
     
    Even if they're pretty old, including having some comorbidities, the raw odds of any single person dying from it are low, although practically no one is considering morbidity in those who survive, which we know is non-trivial in both effects and numbers. So our betters know they personally aren't at much risk, and I would guess a lot of them get a kick out of doing things they've forbidden to the whites, members of the middle class, etc. who are under them.

    But collectively the story is quite different. Look at the last page of this LA County "Dashboard", and see how the 18-49 age cohort was solidly above 35% of all hospitalizations May-October, and generally above 40%. As burdens on the healthcare system, and people who transmit COVID-19 to those who end up getting maimed or killed, younger folk are very significant. As vaccine supplies become plentiful next year, it's going to be interesting to see how various societies and polities deal with people who insist they have a right to maim and kill others by transmitting COVID-19 to them. Herd immunity is after all needed for the 5% or more who can't gain protection from a vaccine.
  182. @Anon87
    Hmm, this is the only thing making me think the vaccines are useful for those under 65. So far our betters harp on masks, no travel, no restaurants, etc. but never bothered to follow it themselves. Like them or hate them, the Israelis are deadly serious when it comes to survival. Maybe it's just panic, but it is a "walk the walk" moment to consider.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    So far our betters harp on masks, no travel, no restaurants, etc. but never bothered to follow it themselves.

    Even if they’re pretty old, including having some comorbidities, the raw odds of any single person dying from it are low, although practically no one is considering morbidity in those who survive, which we know is non-trivial in both effects and numbers. So our betters know they personally aren’t at much risk, and I would guess a lot of them get a kick out of doing things they’ve forbidden to the whites, members of the middle class, etc. who are under them.

    But collectively the story is quite different. Look at the last page of this LA County “Dashboard”, and see how the 18-49 age cohort was solidly above 35% of all hospitalizations May-October, and generally above 40%. As burdens on the healthcare system, and people who transmit COVID-19 to those who end up getting maimed or killed, younger folk are very significant. As vaccine supplies become plentiful next year, it’s going to be interesting to see how various societies and polities deal with people who insist they have a right to maim and kill others by transmitting COVID-19 to them. Herd immunity is after all needed for the 5% or more who can’t gain protection from a vaccine.

  183. @Art Deco
    @JSM

    You're sick of it because it refutes the point you're trying to make.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    except it doesn’t. our whole foreign policy is based around jewish interests. the in kind benefit of that is gogorillion dollars.

    and the nonsense about israel having to buy from the US is complete horseshit. If giving people money to buy our stuff is good for the US, why don’t we expand that policy to every country on earth? “hey mexico, here’s a trillion to buy us made cars, big nose tribe explained this benefits the US so it must be true”

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